Sept. 13, 2024

Star Trek: Prodigy "ASCENSION part 1-2" review

Star Trek: Prodigy "ASCENSION part 1-2" review

Cyrano Jones, Harry Mudd, Captain Angel who's the worst and What's the best TNG movie?

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Season 4Star Trek Prodigy

Join Uncle Jim and his Treksperts, we discuss Star Trek Prodigy second season episodes, S2.E15 ∙ Ascension: Part 1 Just as the Protostar and Voyager crews bring their mission to a close, a former enemy suddenly resurfaces with surprising new powers.S2.E16 ∙ Ascension: Part 2 Overwhelmed by Asencia's mysteriously advanced weaponry, the Protostar and Voyager crews take a series of calculated risks that endanger the cadets. What Star Trek actor you share a birthday with, find out on STAR TREK BIRTHDAYS. FAN SHOUT-OUTS answers the question as to just how global Star Trek is. STAR TREK POLLS will answer the burning questions, who is the best Pike, what is the best TNG movie and who is the biggest pain the neck for the crew. STAR TREK NEWS is full of information, Doctor Who units with Star Trek, Did scientist just discover Vulcan, and Will we see Janeway again? Studio lines will be open (646)668-2433 call and join the conversation. Let's see what's out there...ENGAGE!

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Bring Everyone is farting that what is going on from

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the air.

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I think I think we're possessed by Lively Live that

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your machine, jam.

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I know that was that was some weird Jammy to

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put Gash in the lawnmower again.

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That that has never happened.

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That is just happened to me before.

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No, that's weird.

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So we'll be back after the tiles.

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Let's I guess we learned different lessons night.

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Never try to.

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Very weird chapter Pikes being on after lums and is

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very hard for drive black Alert Togi, you have gone.

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Perserved Peja a bad mass and when it is an

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idiot taking sad wharf his weg check wearing set his

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cat kimp atchat, you had head enough for that, Pennie

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of making to everybody, thats go about the series? You

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going a begin of phone now about the series. I'm

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coming to lonw talk about the series coming on the

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phone now.

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Coming further.

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He didn't tell me.

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Now that's more like it. Hey, welcome to truck Talking.

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It is Thursday night Sincember twelfth, twenty twenty four. This

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is episode six hundred and five. We are live. Obviously

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you heard some grumlins take over the switchboard and you know,

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but when you're live, stuff like that happens and you

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guys get to experience it just like we do. You

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can ask yourself is it live or is it memorys right, David,

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So we we're gonna have a lot of fun tonight.

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Here our phone number six four six six eight four three.

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Let your fingers do the walking and call Trek talking.

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We'd absolutely love to hear from you, David. Benjamin Tomlinson,

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who plays Through, is going to be on with us

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on September twenty six, so have your questions ready. Aaron

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Walroue so rude. He is going to be here on

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October seventeen. So if you're a Prodigy fan, you want

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to have.

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A lot of Discovery agents right now.

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I don't know why, Like.

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Wait a second, when was he cast to Strategy Prodigy

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Discovery fun Through?

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So have your questions righty. It's going to be a

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lot of fun tonight. We're going to be talking about

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Star Trek Prology Ascension Part one and part two. So

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if your questions ready, to give us a call. We'd

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love to hear from you. You have nineteen four hundred

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and forty followers. Thank you so much. You can go

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over to our Facebook page Truck Talking Podcast, Accept no

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imitations because there's some out there, and tell it where

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you're listening from this we live on and prosper at

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the top of the page. Do some emojis they get

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my attention and tune into the next podcast. Maybe you

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hear your name on a fan shout out. But before

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I get ahead of myself, I want to introduce to

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you guys, my awesome, my incredible tru expert. We're going

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to start out in Las Vegas with Charles. How do

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you doing tonight? Charles?

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I'm doing all right. The pitchers drop a little bit.

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But.

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No fun going outside these days when you're trying to

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inhale all the all of the trees from California that

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are burning.

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Yeah, we're getting some smoke here too in Vermont's. I

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guess He's the part of life now, it seems like.

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And we're gonna swing out to Portland where my Triple

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Play is hanging out, and we'll start off with Paul

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the Toy Guy. How you doing tonight?

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Paul?

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Hey, I'm doing Okay, uncle Jim, I'm doing well.

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It's been a good week.

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Busy week going on, but did a rock and roll

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ready to talk.

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About stuff and very excited.

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It's good to be here Friday, reunited. A couple of

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weeks since we've on the show, ivery spoken away, traveling,

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keeping busy, and what happens tonight?

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We're all here, We're all here together, and also from Portland,

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we have the very own Donut guy himself, David. How

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you doing, David?

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Pretty good? Pretty good? That was a really awesome beginning.

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By the way, there's something new.

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Some different, those revent tripling everything. And we also have

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from Portland our very own air.

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You know, Jim, I am doing great.

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You know me.

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I'm always want to kind of get a little philosophical,

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and I was thinking that if, you know, maybe if

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home isn't just a place, then maybe Trek Talking isn't

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just a podcast.

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WHOA, I know, I know, I know, I'll put you

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on that who.

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Too much? Dope?

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Wow?

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What what I can tell? This is going to be

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an interesting show tonight, you know it? So anyways, guys,

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I head over to our Facebook page and there's all

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kinds of great polls there that you can that you

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can answer. We have a lot of fun stuff over there,

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and there's a pin to the top of the page

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Live Long and Prosper. You'll see it saying hey, where

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are your trucks from? Tell us where you're listening from?

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Leave us some of mo we used to catch my eye.

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If you set art next to your name from yours truly,

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Uncle Jim, you wanted tune into the next podcast because

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your name is going to be immortalized forever. It's going

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to be flying through space for eons and everybody's going

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to know that. Not only are you listening to Trek Talking,

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but you're a star Trek fan. So doesn't that sound great?

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So Eric, do you want to get us started with

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our fan shodow do I ever? Jim?

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First, we're going to spin this globe and hop just

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across the pond and say hello and Live Long and

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prosper to Saneil or ram Kusun Cossun Shaneil. Thank you

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so much for saying hello to us from West Sussex

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in the UK. We have watch and lots of friends

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over there in the UK, and I'm a big fan

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of the UK in general.

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In particular London.

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I do love that city quite a bit, so Saneil,

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thank you so much for saying hello to us, and

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as I said, I live long and prosper to you.

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Also saying hello this week to Ronald Roland, who's saying

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hello to us from the beautiful country of Belgium. What

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a great place to be. So much food, so much culture,

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so much like coming together of languages and all kinds

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of fun stuff there. Ronald, thank you so much for

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saying hello to us from your beautiful part of the world,

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and I say cuplat to you, brother. Also saying hello

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this week to Andreas Detert who's saying hello to us

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from Berlin, Germany. Lots of supporters in deutsch Land over there,

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and Andreas appears to be one of them. Thank you

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so much for listening to our podcast and for supporting

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our Facebook page. And last but not least, we're going

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to say hello this week to Shirley Frohman, who's saying

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hello just across the border to the north in Ontario, Canada,

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who surely says that they have been a trekky since

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nineteen sixty six. Ooh, one of them old timers like you, Jim,

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how about that surely froman thank you so much for

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saying hello to us and for supporting our podcast. You

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are considered one of our brothers and sisters to the North,

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as we often say, right Charles.

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Definitely, Eric. Oh, let's give a warm welcome to Bay

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Stephens from Houston, Texas. I hope it's cooling down in Texas.

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Welcome to Gage gate Kilan from Jacksonville, Florida. Welcome to

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Paige Reagan Wuino from Hickory, North Carolina. And I welcome

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to James Ray Fortner from Missouri. Welcome you for David,

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who's on your list?

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Well, I'd like to give a warm welcome to Wendy

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Michelle from Anchorage, Alaka. And another one welcome to Philip

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Wigley from Florida to Fort Myers. And a couple more.

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One welcomes one Kelly Frost from read in California, the

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other Barbara Cosby Allen from Tennessee. Paul, who's on your list?

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All right, friend, see how.

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The old Mike set up to doing here?

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I'm hoping it's relatively clear and a crazy chop.

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Going on in some of our equipment today, So let's

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see if I can be understood. I say welcome to

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my friend Kerk Sweden. Absolutely great deal for cal.

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I don't know why I'm happy here, sorry, folks.

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And what's going on.

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Very enthusiastic.

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Adrian Bora Ga from Mardo in Argentina.

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Also great greetings and kapla to sore and Rassmussen in Denmark.

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Spectacular part of the world and uh.

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Switching hemispheres ever, so Briet, We'll say hello to a

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big fan, Sewn Misso in Copp's Harbor, Australia, all the

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way to out there, so uh pretty fantastic. We'll see

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what happens.

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Okay, thanks friends, and of course I'll pass things over

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down Uncle Jim.

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Thank you so much. Paul. I would like to say

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thank you and hello to Jean Simon's who's listening to

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us while who says aloha from Hawaii. I also want

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to say hello and thank you to Diane winter Craft

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who's listening to us in Phoenix, Arizona. I also want

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to say thank you to Brian Koppo who's listening to

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us in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. And last but not least, we

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want to say thank you to Jennifer Davis in Utah

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and everybody watch your cats and dogs. You never know

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what's going on with that stuff. Just little little reminder

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and a little warning. And who we lost Paul and

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we got to get Paul back. There is back.

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I just hope it's not as chumpy.

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Oh there he is. I got them.

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Okay, So is that any better?

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Yeah? There you are?

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Is that a little clear? A little easier to.

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A little bit still a little shoppy.

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It's once again time to put on your thinking cap

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and join us for Star Trek Trivia time with Uncle Jim.

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All right, guys, as I said, I can, sounds like

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I need to come up with a pole song. Yeah,

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it's coming to mind.

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I think I've got it.

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So every week I put up some poles. I'm just

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hanging around at work on my copy break thinking. You know,

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I wonder what Star Treks fans think about this or

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that or the other thing, and anything can come to

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my old mind. It usually does, and I throw it

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up on our Facebook page to see what you guys thought.

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So the first, Paul that came to my mind was

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of these choices, and I have to be as specific

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as possible because if I'm not, I get a thousand

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questions from a million people. So I have to say,

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of these choices, who was the biggest pain in the

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ass or the crew? Was it Harry Mudd, was it Vosh?

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Was it O'Connor, Was it Captain Angel? Or was it

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Syrah o Jones? And I know people were throwing out

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what about this? What about that? But those were your choices.

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Coming in in last place with two percent of the

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vote was Vosh And coming in who was that? Oh

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that's Paul. I'm sorry that came up and it messed

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up my computer. Coming in at fourth place was O'Connor

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with four percent of the vote. Third place was Captain

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Angel with six percent of the vote, and then we

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go to sierrao Jones with seven percent, and the number

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one pain in the ass for the crew was Harry

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Mud with eighty one percent of the vote. That doesn't

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surprise me. Did that surprise you? Eric?

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take Discovery Harry Mud into consideration, I think about that

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one episode Magic to make the sanest man go mad

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where he kind of like redoes the thing over and

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over and over again. That's one of those time loop

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things in Star Trek that like, honestly, Harry Mud could

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have done that a thousand times, and that just automatically

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makes him the number one problem for the crew, like

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he killed them a thousand times.

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And that's why I included both pictures of both of

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the Harry Mud in the poll, just so people wouldn't

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get confused.

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I mean, don't get me wrong, I like some old

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style Harry Mud. His hat and his mustache are really

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to die for. But but new Harry Mud is a

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super big pen of the ass for the crew.

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Yes, that that was he. What was he doing sipping

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jippers on the beach? Was that it? Yeah?

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Shipping jippers on the beach Fridays before man.

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That's right? Is anyone having theirs right now?

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Plus he was the only reoccurring He was the only

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reoccurring villain in ts.

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Yeah that is, he.

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Showed up twice in T O S and in the cartoons.

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Yep, that's true.

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That makes a nemesis, I think.

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Yeah. So uh. The next poll that I asked was

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who played your favorite Christopher Pike. And this is a

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this is a just a give a. But was it

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Anson Mount, was it Sean Kenny? Was it Bruce Greenwood?

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Or was it Jeffrey Hunter? So coming in last place

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with Sean Kenny in his wheelchair with his flashing lights

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with three percent of the vote, then we have Bruce

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Greenwood from the Calvin Universe movies. So I thought played

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a great Pike, by the way, coming in with fourteen

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percent of the vote, just edging him out. The original

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Captain Pike played by the late Jeffrey Hunter, got sixteen

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percent of the vote, and the Awesome, the Incredible, the

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man with the Hair got sixty seven percent of the vote.

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Mister Anson Mouth, So those were our favorite Captain Pikes.

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And the final question of the Paul, I you know,

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you hear. This has done a lot, but I don't

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think we ever did it pifically for TNG. So I

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thought I would do it. So I said, of these choices,

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which is your favorite movie? These were the TNG movies, Generation, Insurrection, Nemesis,

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or First Contact. So coming in the last place with

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seven percent of the vote from you guys, was Nemesis?

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Third place was Insurrection? Just edging out Nemesis with nine

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percent of the vote. Then coming in second was Generations

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with fourteen percent, and First Contact, of course, overwhelmingly won

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with seventy percent of the vote. So what do you

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guys think? You do you think that that's pretty accurate.

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Yeah, I mean, I think most people find First Contact

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to be their favorite, uh, you know Generation's era movie.

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I mean it's hard to argue with the director. You know,

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I'm always it's kind of hard with these four movies

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because if you're always gonna find Nemesis and Insurrection at

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the bottom, and I think those two could probably swap

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places and nobody would cry too much about it. What

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is interesting to me is that Generations didn't do better.

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And I always wonder, like, you know, when you kind

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of look back at Generations. I mean, it came out

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in nineteen ninety four. It was that transition movie from

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the TOS crew to the TNG crew in the movies,

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and I wonder if the nostalgia factor of kind of

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having the William Shatner situation in that movie has now

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worn off, and so people see the movie a little

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bit more.

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Widely, or like.

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They see more about the movie than they used to

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whereas before they were sort of fooled by the the

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you know, excitedness of having William Shatner in it. So

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I don't know, it's kind of interesting to me that

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it only got fourteen percent of the vote. It's not

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surprise thing to me their first contact one though.

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Now I think that I think what hurt Generations the

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most was that they they put it out like three

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months after we just saw all good things. I think

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they should have waited a little bit longer, and that

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had put it out at the same time. I think

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that was a was a mistake, but that's just me.

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And so anyways, now it's time for cadet training with Charles.

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What Charles does is Charles goes through the entire plethora

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of Star Trek to pull out episodes to help you

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guys relate to this week's episode. So what do we got, Charles?

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All Right, not a lot in here, but we definitely

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have a good focus on Nova Squadron. Well, we originally

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saw Neva Squadron on TG.

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With Wesley.

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First Duty, season five, episode nineteen, and then they decided

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to surprise us in the end of Lower Decks with

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old Friends New Planets, where we got to re meet

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the entire crew again, and that was the season four

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episode ten. Something that was definitely mentioned by the Nova

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Squadron was the Delta Flyer and Tom Parris, and that

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deals with Voyagers season five through seven, there's episodes throughout

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to talk about his work on upgrading the Delta flyer Analy's.

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Abilities and then laughing, I suddenly thought about the ship

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being pierced by this object and reminded me of Discovery

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Such She's Such Sweet Sorrow.

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Part two, Season two, episode fourteen. We had an undetonated

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Torpio that the Admiral went in trying to fixed, and

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she was going to sacrifice herself. That's all I got

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for this week, all right, I want to talk about

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what the fans thought.

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Yeah, every week on our Facebook page, guys, as long

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as we have our great poll, I asked you what

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did you think about this week's episode, and me tally

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up those your answers and we come up with a

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fans score and Eric, Eric, what did our fans have

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to say here?

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Well, we scored this one together because it's a two parter,

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so we kind of considered it one episode. So Ascension

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Part one and Part two have an Amalgamated Fans score

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this week for drum roll please, nine point three. Nine

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point three. So I will tell you what that puts

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it in fourth place this season. From what our fans

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have said, we've had a nine point seven, which was

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Temporal Mechanics one oh one, and then we had two

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nine point fives, which was the season opener and a

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triple Call Quest and this comes in close after that.

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So I think if we were rounding to whole numbers,

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that would be a nine. Paul right, nine point three

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rounds down to.

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A nine, I would say, yes, below nine point five.

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By the laws of mass exactly, because if we go

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to you haven't equator yet, you have to go to

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the hemisphere. There we go, there we go.

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So yeah, there you go.

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Nine point three for the fans score this week.

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Jim, Wow, you know, when Aaron Walkey comes on the show,

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we're gonna have so much to talk about because he's prodigy.

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Episodes are scoring so high that we're gonna have a

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lot to talk about. It's gonna be some fun, fun show.

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He can talk about season three. Oh no, probably not,

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but probably not.

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But if you recall last time we had him on

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the show, he couldn't talk about season two either, which

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is why we're having him back. So yeah, all right, guys,

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So we're gonna jump in here. We're gonna discuss the episode,

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and we always start off with Paul will give you

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guys a quick rundown about the episode, and then we'll

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each in turn talk about what we liked or didn't

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like about the episode. So, Paul, why don't you get

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us started before I do?

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Let me just say the audio any better?

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No?

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Well, I don't know.

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We'll have to hear you talk a little bit.

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But I don't want people to hear the recap when

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it's all jobby. So why don't you be thirty seconds?

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Yeah, I'm gonna.

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Disconnect all in on my phone, just on the regular.

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Uh, the regular number, the two, four, three, three numbers?

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It all right? Did it? He just disappeared and I'm

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waiting for let's hope these gremlins.

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Let's hide if we hide.

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When he comes back.

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Okay, how's that is that any better?

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That sounds much better?

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Dude?

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Sorry about that. I don't know what's going on with

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the tech, but but if this is better, let's go

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for it. So let's talk about this stuff. Sounds good, fellas,

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do it absolutely, So we're doing a two partter. We

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do want to sension part one in part two together. Okay,

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so two parter in theory, you have a lot of

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story to compress, you need to spread it out over

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two episodes. Right, So at the very beginning, we know

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Prodigy is back reunited with Voyager, just as Jane Way

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is reunited with Chicote. Right, so it's good. We start

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off with Dalla's personal log as we have some of

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these episodes this season, and he has comes to the

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realization kind of rhapsodically that home is not so much

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a place as it is being with the people that

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you trust, because he's had all these recent adventures and

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now he's back in, you know, one grounded place and

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reminding us that the most immediate goal here that they're

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trying to do is send the old ship back to

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tars Lamora in order to fix the past. Now we've

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all of a sudden got like this whole Nova Flyer

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training flight thing happening, right, which is Charles mentioned in

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his segment there. Then it's it's calling back to the

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whole Nova squadron thing in the first duty. But we

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see that actually this is initially a hologram simulation that

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Migell is leading there. But they have these flyers. They're

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pretty cool looking. I do grant them that they're pretty cool.

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We also get caught up with the situation involving Zero's

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body that he's been in and he finds out from

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the doc. Hey, sorry to tell you it's irreparable, friend,

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this body is not going to last. And so, as

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we've heard in previous episodes, this means that Jack and

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Pog is going to have to work in some kind

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of replacement body for him. So you know, ideally he's

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going to be okay, this is what we're thinking. So

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then Chacote and Jane Wayer reunited. They're chatting a bit

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and again kind of you know, hammering the point home

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that Protostar have to be sent back to the past,

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all right, and they're all getting set to go do that,

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and all of a sudden they get the unpleasant news

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from Gosh, if you need something unpleasant delivered, who do

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you call? I think you call Admiral Jellicoe, right, because

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he just pretty much always has something unpleasantness day. And

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he lets him know that Starfleet as there's a line

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that we will be taking over the mission and the

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Department of Emperal Investigations will take over. And of course

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that lands like a smelly fish on them dock, right,

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I mean no way. Janeway for sure doesn't like it. Right,

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this is terrible news, but what choice do they have?

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Right?

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And then abruptly Gwinn is called up to the bridge, okay,

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and they have a transmission from a down shuttle on

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solom and it's ill throng her dad, right, and he

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gives the news that Essentsia has assumed power back on

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tars Labora, dissolved the council, and somehow is able to

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be building these military forces by some incredibly time accelerated means.

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Right.

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They're these kind of domed areas and in what would

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normally take months or years to produce. She's cranking out

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these massive weapons of destruction and presumably more you know,

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troops overnight. Somehow, How is she doing this? Where is

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she getting this technology from? Is Janeway's big question?

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Right?

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And then boom a sensius up on the screen, right,

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and she sends out some kind of great, big, you know,

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big cahuna vehicle, Right, some huge doomed to day weapons

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set up there to attack, piloted by a creepy old

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droid guy that we saw a lot in season one,

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who I believe was Dreadnock. Am I remembering that name correctly?

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Yep?

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Yeah, it looks like Dreadnock or Dreadnock's you know cousin,

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whatever it may be. And it basically is vampire like

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draining all of worgeous power. Okay, And so we have

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a little split up to try to help things out here.

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Jacota and Gwynn go off to try to protect the

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protostar with the Cadet crew, and we find out that hey,

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you know, our Nova flyers are gonna have to go

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an action here and we're missing a pilot conveniently, so.

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What do you need?

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Can someone fill in?

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Dal?

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Can you, maybe, because you like to go fast, can

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you be one of our Nova squadron pilots here for

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the flyers? So Dal's going to see some action. The

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flyers are able to give coordinates to Voyager, and Voyager

477
00:28:04.720 --> 00:28:08.720
is able to use quantum torpedoes to basically try to

478
00:28:08.960 --> 00:28:12.000
stop the vehicle. Right, the big doomsday weapon of a

479
00:28:12.079 --> 00:28:14.680
sen is but all of a sudden then there is

480
00:28:14.799 --> 00:28:19.599
this crazy implosion and there's this wild energy net that

481
00:28:19.759 --> 00:28:23.920
happens a massive explosion. Voyager shields are now down to zero,

482
00:28:24.519 --> 00:28:27.039
the systems are all offline. They're basically sitting there at

483
00:28:27.039 --> 00:28:32.480
Asensia's mercy. And the first episode ends with us being

484
00:28:32.880 --> 00:28:36.680
with Asensia and we see that how she's been able

485
00:28:36.720 --> 00:28:40.799
to do all this crazy time manipulated weapons generation is

486
00:28:40.880 --> 00:28:46.880
that she has Wesley Crusher held captive Boom and depart one.

487
00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:51.200
So there we go, Protosaurs coming to help save Voyager

488
00:28:51.240 --> 00:28:53.839
from attack, and it's been pretty much useless because it's

489
00:28:53.880 --> 00:28:58.880
been pierced by something. As Charles mentioned earlier that this

490
00:28:59.400 --> 00:29:04.359
massive weapon okay, like a gigantic harpoon, all right, that

491
00:29:04.960 --> 00:29:07.400
that she's launched. I believe she called it the Incursor,

492
00:29:07.519 --> 00:29:12.920
if I recollect that correctly. And what's horrible is Tysis

493
00:29:13.119 --> 00:29:16.519
gets hit by this energy weapon that is emitting from

494
00:29:16.599 --> 00:29:20.359
the giant sphere of the Incursor, and what it does

495
00:29:20.440 --> 00:29:24.640
to him is it basically it ages him instantly in

496
00:29:24.880 --> 00:29:28.039
like really dramatic fashion. So what it basically is, it's

497
00:29:28.079 --> 00:29:30.839
like another kind of Kime weapon, all right, and so

498
00:29:30.920 --> 00:29:35.319
it's basically stealing time away from people that it ends

499
00:29:35.400 --> 00:29:38.440
up encountering. So in this case, it's it's forcing huge

500
00:29:38.440 --> 00:29:41.119
amounts of time onto tysis. And so he's like an

501
00:29:41.160 --> 00:29:43.440
old dude. Now, he's like basically can't even you know,

502
00:29:43.799 --> 00:29:49.240
hold that up. So heroically Zero volunteers to try to

503
00:29:49.319 --> 00:29:53.039
deactivate the weapon because he says that the bodies that

504
00:29:53.200 --> 00:29:55.680
he's in, his temporary body doesn't age the same way.

505
00:29:56.119 --> 00:29:58.240
But his body is really starting to decay because of

506
00:29:58.279 --> 00:30:01.480
what appears to be almost like exposure radiation. Right, really,

507
00:30:01.559 --> 00:30:05.880
really really very sad. We're poignant what's happening, and we

508
00:30:06.000 --> 00:30:09.000
have to kind of slowly watch him endure great suffering

509
00:30:09.359 --> 00:30:13.240
as his body starts to betray him and seems like

510
00:30:13.319 --> 00:30:16.759
he's approaching the end. There's a super super long dog

511
00:30:16.880 --> 00:30:22.640
fight between Magel's fighters or Nova fighters and all of

512
00:30:22.720 --> 00:30:25.720
Usensia's drones, right, and again it's like we've seen this

513
00:30:25.960 --> 00:30:29.920
in a lot of Star Trek, you know, going back

514
00:30:29.960 --> 00:30:32.400
to we say this in Percard quite a bit and

515
00:30:32.640 --> 00:30:35.119
on Discovery as well, where there would be a big, big, big,

516
00:30:35.200 --> 00:30:38.920
big big ship with launching, there's jillions of little ships,

517
00:30:39.160 --> 00:30:44.160
you know, like insect like attacking our you know, our folks, right,

518
00:30:44.319 --> 00:30:47.839
and so very familiar dynamic happening here with all of

519
00:30:47.920 --> 00:30:50.960
these drones and a lot of action of the fighters

520
00:30:51.039 --> 00:30:56.200
trying to you know, repel them, and there is apparently

521
00:30:56.480 --> 00:30:58.559
they're trying to do some kind of a bootbe maneuver,

522
00:30:58.640 --> 00:31:01.319
which of course is called back to old Gardner that

523
00:31:01.519 --> 00:31:05.519
we met during the Nova Squadron episode of Next Gen. Right, So,

524
00:31:05.640 --> 00:31:07.599
but we don't really know what the boothby Minover was.

525
00:31:07.680 --> 00:31:11.720
It's kind of a reference there. While Zero depressingly dies

526
00:31:12.400 --> 00:31:15.480
and so it's kind of a downbeat time thing going

527
00:31:15.519 --> 00:31:18.319
on there. But somehow, in a way I wasn't really

528
00:31:18.319 --> 00:31:21.359
following super clearly, Migell tricks the weapon into following her

529
00:31:21.440 --> 00:31:25.319
flyer and she got it to impact Asensia's own ship,

530
00:31:25.920 --> 00:31:29.160
destroying it. So one of those reversed the Russian torpedoes

531
00:31:29.359 --> 00:31:31.279
on their own sub kind of a moment, right, That

532
00:31:31.640 --> 00:31:32.319
was my take on.

533
00:31:32.400 --> 00:31:33.680
It that we had there.

534
00:31:34.319 --> 00:31:37.880
And then Zero comes out of the brand new containment suit.

535
00:31:37.920 --> 00:31:40.240
He's not really good after all. It looks a lot

536
00:31:40.359 --> 00:31:43.759
like his earlier containment suit from season one, except it's

537
00:31:43.799 --> 00:31:47.400
more intense and excitingly courtesy of Janka, pod has more

538
00:31:47.480 --> 00:31:51.039
sensory inputs and I'm sure that there are some off

539
00:31:51.079 --> 00:31:53.319
color things I could say about those sensory inputs, but

540
00:31:53.400 --> 00:31:55.880
we'll just leave that alone because you know, everyone's business

541
00:31:55.920 --> 00:31:58.519
is their own business, so knows how those will be

542
00:31:58.559 --> 00:32:00.160
put to use. But you know, it does seem like

543
00:32:00.200 --> 00:32:02.720
he's been forming some attachments with other members of the crew,

544
00:32:02.920 --> 00:32:05.000
so it seemed like they might have a lot to

545
00:32:05.039 --> 00:32:08.359
explore there. I don't know, we'll find out, but yeah,

546
00:32:08.400 --> 00:32:09.960
there's a lot going on there, and it seems like

547
00:32:10.039 --> 00:32:13.119
a new lease on life for zero, you know. And

548
00:32:13.319 --> 00:32:16.000
where they will take that we don't know yet, right,

549
00:32:16.200 --> 00:32:21.319
but it looks promising. So now the plan is both

550
00:32:21.359 --> 00:32:26.559
ships will go to solom right, and apparently the way

551
00:32:26.599 --> 00:32:30.160
they were able to achieve victory, if I understood this correctly,

552
00:32:30.680 --> 00:32:32.440
is a Sensia is trying to, like, you know, do

553
00:32:32.599 --> 00:32:35.960
her whole Monday morning quarterback thing with Wesley is Wesley

554
00:32:36.079 --> 00:32:38.480
only showed one of the possible outcomes and he was

555
00:32:38.519 --> 00:32:41.000
able to hide the others in his mind. So that

556
00:32:41.200 --> 00:32:44.400
was what I heard going on there. And there's some

557
00:32:44.559 --> 00:32:49.000
kind of you know, evil hand ringing from Asensia there.

558
00:32:49.240 --> 00:32:52.960
As we fade to the credits, and she says Star

559
00:32:53.079 --> 00:32:55.960
defleet will be unprepared for what comes next, whatever that

560
00:32:56.079 --> 00:32:58.480
may be. We as the audience, have no idea, and

561
00:32:58.640 --> 00:33:03.680
so that's basically unless missing anything really important fellas. That

562
00:33:04.000 --> 00:33:07.480
was the gist of Ascension Part one and Part two.

563
00:33:07.519 --> 00:33:11.039
As far as the main plot points go, How did

564
00:33:11.079 --> 00:33:16.359
this episode play for me? I found them compared to

565
00:33:16.480 --> 00:33:19.200
the last like six or seven episodes that we've reviewed,

566
00:33:19.279 --> 00:33:22.920
I kind of found this not really engaging. For the

567
00:33:23.000 --> 00:33:25.119
most part. I felt like this was a lot of

568
00:33:25.480 --> 00:33:31.039
you know, big action stuff with the dog fighting things,

569
00:33:32.240 --> 00:33:35.720
the Nova flyers and and I think a lot of

570
00:33:35.759 --> 00:33:44.720
it is I find a Sensia a super non compelling antagonist.

571
00:33:45.240 --> 00:33:48.359
She seems really one dimensional. I don't really have a

572
00:33:48.519 --> 00:33:52.640
clue what her motivations are. She seems just to be

573
00:33:52.759 --> 00:33:55.799
power mad and she really gets off on making really

574
00:33:55.880 --> 00:33:58.920
evil expressions, you know, like you know, and you know,

575
00:33:59.079 --> 00:34:01.440
sneering and all intense and.

576
00:34:01.680 --> 00:34:04.480
You know all we call those we call those mustache

577
00:34:04.559 --> 00:34:05.480
twirling villains.

578
00:34:06.039 --> 00:34:09.599
Yeah, I think that's really I think that's a perfect

579
00:34:09.679 --> 00:34:12.039
name for it. Right. It's just I don't get much

580
00:34:12.079 --> 00:34:14.440
from her, and I find her scenes really boring. I

581
00:34:14.440 --> 00:34:16.880
don't really feel right threatened from her. She's the smirk,

582
00:34:17.480 --> 00:34:20.400
all right, I just don't get much from her, and

583
00:34:20.519 --> 00:34:22.719
I don't feel like she's a legit threat. I mean,

584
00:34:22.880 --> 00:34:25.599
I feel like and eventually she's going to be you know,

585
00:34:26.000 --> 00:34:28.760
her evil Queen will be knocked off the chessboard pretty

586
00:34:29.039 --> 00:34:31.679
perfunctorily in some way that we didn't expect, right, And

587
00:34:32.920 --> 00:34:34.920
I feel like in the last bunch of episodes, we've

588
00:34:34.920 --> 00:34:39.519
had a whole lot of good character building with Mike

589
00:34:39.599 --> 00:34:41.920
Doll and Gwynn and Rock Dock and whatnot, and I

590
00:34:41.960 --> 00:34:43.519
feel like we didn't get much of that in this

591
00:34:43.639 --> 00:34:46.599
episode at all. So it was a little tepid for me.

592
00:34:48.519 --> 00:34:50.760
I mean, I know that we were supposed to feel

593
00:34:50.840 --> 00:34:55.960
really bad when Zero lost their body and you know,

594
00:34:56.679 --> 00:35:00.199
it appeared to die, but I was kind of dispassionate it.

595
00:35:00.320 --> 00:35:02.920
It didn't really pull me in the way I really

596
00:35:02.960 --> 00:35:04.960
think I was supposed to feel or you know, I

597
00:35:05.000 --> 00:35:08.239
didn't feel like there was a very real poignance there.

598
00:35:08.559 --> 00:35:11.159
Maybe if Migel had been forced to like, maybe say,

599
00:35:11.199 --> 00:35:14.599
we're communicating with each other on like, you know, some

600
00:35:14.800 --> 00:35:16.559
kind of intercom system and they were.

601
00:35:16.599 --> 00:35:18.880
They needed a Star Trek to moment in that.

602
00:35:19.280 --> 00:35:21.119
Yeah, I didn't feel that way too.

603
00:35:21.559 --> 00:35:21.880
I did.

604
00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:23.800
I felt like in that moment they needed a like

605
00:35:23.880 --> 00:35:25.639
one person on one side of the glass and the

606
00:35:25.679 --> 00:35:28.280
other person on the other side. Like it didn't really

607
00:35:28.400 --> 00:35:30.360
be that, but it had to be that kind of a.

608
00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:33.400
Th sub equivalent some equivalent to that, yeah, because I

609
00:35:33.519 --> 00:35:35.519
just found it really depressing and I didn't I was

610
00:35:35.639 --> 00:35:37.039
just like, you know, I mean, I really didn't think

611
00:35:37.039 --> 00:35:39.519
they were going to kill Zero, you know, because I

612
00:35:39.559 --> 00:35:43.480
think there are really popular characters and I just I

613
00:35:43.519 --> 00:35:45.760
would have been surprised if they had done that. But

614
00:35:45.960 --> 00:35:48.119
I just I just was kind of a buzzkill man.

615
00:35:48.280 --> 00:35:50.280
And and for me, a lot of this episode just

616
00:35:50.320 --> 00:35:52.800
seemed like kind of not you know, it didn't really

617
00:35:52.840 --> 00:35:54.679
advance the plot that much. I mean, there was a

618
00:35:54.719 --> 00:35:57.880
lot of reminding us that we, hey, were the real

619
00:35:57.920 --> 00:35:59.880
purpose of our whole thing in this episode or the

620
00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:03.679
season is to you know, get the ship back to

621
00:36:03.800 --> 00:36:06.199
fixed History. Okay, we know that, and we know that

622
00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:09.599
we've you know that Zero's going to need another containment,

623
00:36:09.639 --> 00:36:12.000
so we know that there's no nothing really new. The

624
00:36:12.079 --> 00:36:14.719
only thing we really found out here was that Wesley

625
00:36:14.800 --> 00:36:19.400
has been held captive by Essensia, you know, and you know,

626
00:36:20.239 --> 00:36:22.480
practically you know, tied up and left on the railroad

627
00:36:22.519 --> 00:36:24.599
tracks in terms of you know, the way it's depicted,

628
00:36:24.840 --> 00:36:27.559
you know, so I just it didn't really you know,

629
00:36:28.119 --> 00:36:30.199
there was very little, you know, I would have loved

630
00:36:30.239 --> 00:36:35.079
to have more emotional rapport between Jane, Wayne and Chakote

631
00:36:35.159 --> 00:36:37.760
being reunited. I don't think both those actors got short

632
00:36:37.800 --> 00:36:41.960
shrifts here, and so a little a little less than

633
00:36:42.000 --> 00:36:44.079
engaging for me. I think that they just needed to

634
00:36:44.199 --> 00:36:46.559
have a lot of convoluted stuff. But it kind of

635
00:36:46.559 --> 00:36:48.400
feels to me at the end of the day like

636
00:36:48.519 --> 00:36:51.000
this is one of those things where they had maybe

637
00:36:51.360 --> 00:36:55.320
you know, one or two too many grid spaces to

638
00:36:55.440 --> 00:36:58.119
fill in the writer's room, right because this didn't need

639
00:36:58.199 --> 00:37:00.559
to be stretched out to this degree. We didn't need

640
00:37:00.639 --> 00:37:02.639
to be a two parter. I can guess maybe having

641
00:37:02.760 --> 00:37:06.360
a one episode that conveyed all this stuff. Right as

642
00:37:06.440 --> 00:37:09.960
we're realizing, okay, we're trying to solve problems, we're trying

643
00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:12.559
to get back to you know, get the ship where

644
00:37:12.559 --> 00:37:15.159
it needs to be, and know, okay, here comes the sensia.

645
00:37:15.280 --> 00:37:19.039
We're being attacked and all that the zero's you know,

646
00:37:19.159 --> 00:37:23.320
are inter changes, you know, containment. But two episodes really

647
00:37:23.400 --> 00:37:27.159
felt stretched out needlessly for me. So I still really

648
00:37:27.199 --> 00:37:29.880
love the overarching plot of this season. I just think

649
00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:35.519
this felt like, you know, uh, you know, too much

650
00:37:35.559 --> 00:37:37.519
better to spread around on the past, right, And it

651
00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:40.159
just didn't didn't didn't hold. It felt kind of kind

652
00:37:40.159 --> 00:37:42.239
of bored for a lot of it, and it felt

653
00:37:42.280 --> 00:37:44.719
really perfunctory, like let's give them a big space battle,

654
00:37:45.239 --> 00:37:48.239
let's do this, you know, and let's show the villain.

655
00:37:48.400 --> 00:37:51.599
And so yeah, I would say my episode for my

656
00:37:52.039 --> 00:37:54.719
rating for both these episodes would be the same for.

657
00:37:54.800 --> 00:37:55.920
Both part one and part two.

658
00:37:56.000 --> 00:38:01.199
I would I would give in a seven. I would

659
00:38:01.239 --> 00:38:04.679
say it'd be my and you know, putting them both together,

660
00:38:04.719 --> 00:38:07.039
I would give it a seven. And I'm comparing them

661
00:38:07.119 --> 00:38:11.760
to like, you know, lesser episodes from like say Picard

662
00:38:12.119 --> 00:38:14.199
in season one and two that drove me nuts, that

663
00:38:14.280 --> 00:38:18.079
were really not good at all. That is very unsatisfying

664
00:38:18.119 --> 00:38:20.400
for me. So I still think this is better than that.

665
00:38:21.480 --> 00:38:23.800
For understand where my seven comes from, Right, I'm not

666
00:38:23.840 --> 00:38:27.519
gonna give a Prodigy episode of four or three. I'm

667
00:38:27.559 --> 00:38:29.360
just never going to do that because it's way smarter

668
00:38:29.440 --> 00:38:32.000
than that. And I love these characters and I generally

669
00:38:32.079 --> 00:38:34.400
really love the storytelling, but I feel like they were

670
00:38:34.480 --> 00:38:37.679
just kind of you know, punching the clock here, you know,

671
00:38:37.920 --> 00:38:40.159
and so it didn't really give me a very satisfying

672
00:38:40.360 --> 00:38:45.719
experience overall. So reluctantly given a seven for both episodes together,

673
00:38:46.039 --> 00:38:50.760
and really hope that we get back to the character

674
00:38:50.800 --> 00:38:55.280
building in more suspense suspenseful plot dynamics is what I'm

675
00:38:55.320 --> 00:38:58.639
really hoping we do. So that's that's my take. Fellas.

676
00:38:59.119 --> 00:39:00.679
How about you who to go next?

677
00:39:01.760 --> 00:39:04.519
Well that would be David, So we got a seven. David,

678
00:39:05.320 --> 00:39:06.960
You're up next? What are you gonna do?

679
00:39:09.000 --> 00:39:12.880
All right? So yeah, I kind of agree with Paul

680
00:39:13.000 --> 00:39:15.320
in a lot of ways. I just hope that they

681
00:39:15.480 --> 00:39:19.639
don't turn the villain here into mall two point zero.

682
00:39:22.159 --> 00:39:24.840
So and it's for you know, people who know who'

683
00:39:24.840 --> 00:39:30.360
ma Ali from the Discovery villain anyways, So to me,

684
00:39:30.679 --> 00:39:35.400
I'm hoping that, uh, I don't understand. I kind of

685
00:39:35.519 --> 00:39:38.519
understand why she doesn't like the Federation because she kind

686
00:39:38.519 --> 00:39:41.280
of explains it a little bit from the previous episodes

687
00:39:41.920 --> 00:39:45.599
of like what she doesn't like about the Federation, But

688
00:39:46.320 --> 00:39:48.960
to me, I just don't think that makes it enough

689
00:39:49.039 --> 00:39:52.400
to be a villain. I mean, how old are these

690
00:39:52.440 --> 00:39:54.320
people anyway? Are they supposed to be like in the

691
00:39:54.519 --> 00:39:57.400
thirties or twenties even Okay, I thought this was supposed

692
00:39:57.400 --> 00:39:59.840
to be a kid show where we have a kid here,

693
00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:05.679
those who are saving today were as proposed to, you know,

694
00:40:06.119 --> 00:40:08.199
young adult. I guess, I don't know. Maybe they all

695
00:40:08.320 --> 00:40:11.000
are young adults. I'm not really sure even what Pog's

696
00:40:11.519 --> 00:40:12.079
age is.

697
00:40:12.679 --> 00:40:16.039
You know, you know, David, I have done a lot

698
00:40:16.119 --> 00:40:18.440
of thinking about that, especially as it relates to Michelle

699
00:40:18.639 --> 00:40:23.000
and Zero's relationship, and I think that they My guess

700
00:40:23.280 --> 00:40:25.840
is that the crew is entirely meant to be in

701
00:40:25.960 --> 00:40:29.119
the teenage years, because I, you know, I have a

702
00:40:29.159 --> 00:40:31.840
sophomore in high school here at home, and she's into

703
00:40:33.440 --> 00:40:37.559
that kind of like zone of life where responsibility is

704
00:40:37.639 --> 00:40:40.320
being taken but she doesn't exactly know what she's doing,

705
00:40:40.960 --> 00:40:44.199
and relationships might be a thing, but maybe not. So

706
00:40:44.360 --> 00:40:46.119
it's a very confusing time of life. So I think

707
00:40:46.159 --> 00:40:48.199
that's sort of like mid teens is where they are

708
00:40:48.280 --> 00:40:51.639
maybe fifteen, sixteen years old, Like my guess, like the

709
00:40:51.719 --> 00:40:53.960
age of Wesley Crusher when we first meet him.

710
00:40:53.880 --> 00:40:58.360
In Yeah, okay, no, that makes sense. I was just saying,

711
00:40:58.440 --> 00:41:02.000
like because they all look pretty and the main villain

712
00:41:02.079 --> 00:41:04.599
looks really young for some reason. Of course, there was

713
00:41:04.599 --> 00:41:06.920
a smaller version of herself on the planet when they

714
00:41:06.960 --> 00:41:11.960
went back in time. But this whole thing about the

715
00:41:12.039 --> 00:41:16.039
plot point of why she being such a bad villain

716
00:41:16.360 --> 00:41:21.119
is still a mystery. So I'm I'm guessing it's because

717
00:41:21.159 --> 00:41:24.159
she doesn't like the Federation values and so she had

718
00:41:24.280 --> 00:41:25.719
ideology just different.

719
00:41:26.320 --> 00:41:28.960
But we talked about this, I feel like an episode

720
00:41:29.039 --> 00:41:30.960
or two ago where we talked about the fact that

721
00:41:31.320 --> 00:41:35.440
it's the she blames the Federation for starting the war

722
00:41:35.679 --> 00:41:39.159
on her planet, and so she her motivation is still

723
00:41:40.000 --> 00:41:42.639
that she thinks if she stops all of this protostar

724
00:41:42.719 --> 00:41:47.159
stuff from happening, that the war on her planet won't happen. Now,

725
00:41:47.480 --> 00:41:49.559
I also agree with Paul that she's a little bit

726
00:41:49.559 --> 00:41:51.519
of a megalomaniac, and so there's a little bit of

727
00:41:51.559 --> 00:41:54.400
that thrown in. But ultimately I think she hates the

728
00:41:54.440 --> 00:41:58.280
Federation because of she has knowledge of the of like

729
00:41:58.480 --> 00:42:01.599
what finding the protostar does to her planet.

730
00:42:01.880 --> 00:42:08.639
Right, Yeah, I mean it's all about time travel. So

731
00:42:09.119 --> 00:42:12.239
I mean, to me, it's still a little off because

732
00:42:12.239 --> 00:42:14.119
I'm going to explain about that whole time travel thing

733
00:42:14.199 --> 00:42:19.119
with Wesley later. But so anyways, there is one thing

734
00:42:19.199 --> 00:42:21.639
I did like about this particular episode that I actually

735
00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:24.679
thought of, and it actually had been asking myself this

736
00:42:24.960 --> 00:42:27.239
entire time since I saw Star Trek and then nobody

737
00:42:27.280 --> 00:42:30.480
had ever explained it except for this episode, which was

738
00:42:31.360 --> 00:42:34.639
the hologram. What happened when somebody walks in and you're

739
00:42:35.119 --> 00:42:37.280
like in an outplane or whatever, like Gray were doing

740
00:42:37.400 --> 00:42:41.400
just upside down, you know, freezing the scene, and it

741
00:42:41.519 --> 00:42:43.880
was like, when in the hologram, what happened? Did it

742
00:42:43.960 --> 00:42:46.159
his fall? But apparently they just float back down, which

743
00:42:46.239 --> 00:42:51.639
is kind of interesting. I actually like that, And it

744
00:42:52.079 --> 00:42:56.039
was the rest of this episode. Yeah, I was expecting

745
00:42:56.079 --> 00:42:57.920
a start a storyer to pop in when they were

746
00:42:57.960 --> 00:43:00.679
doing the dogfight. To be honest, I was like, Wow,

747
00:43:00.719 --> 00:43:03.360
this feels a lot like Star Wars for some reason,

748
00:43:03.800 --> 00:43:07.719
it's always had fighters that Trek just fighters. It doesn't

749
00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:09.519
work for me for some reason when it comes to

750
00:43:10.119 --> 00:43:14.880
faith battle. But anyway, so as far as that's concerned,

751
00:43:16.280 --> 00:43:19.199
I would have to probably give this episode a seven

752
00:43:19.239 --> 00:43:22.360
point five. Be honest, there was a couple of things

753
00:43:22.400 --> 00:43:25.599
that I actually liked about, like the I think it

754
00:43:25.719 --> 00:43:30.119
was this episode where they mentioned about, uh, that triple

755
00:43:30.199 --> 00:43:33.280
who went to the bathroom in her pocket, I was like,

756
00:43:33.920 --> 00:43:35.920
I was thinking about, like, what's gonna happen when she

757
00:43:35.960 --> 00:43:38.480
starts happening to go to the bathroom. So they mentioned that,

758
00:43:38.519 --> 00:43:43.559
which I thought was kind of nice. But other than that, yeah,

759
00:43:43.679 --> 00:43:46.519
I think seven point five for this episode, and I'm

760
00:43:46.559 --> 00:43:48.960
gonna have to give the other episode a little bit better.

761
00:43:49.679 --> 00:43:52.599
It's because the ending actually kind of surprised me a

762
00:43:52.639 --> 00:43:56.679
little bit with that whole Wesley being in prison stuff,

763
00:43:56.840 --> 00:44:02.360
And honestly, the more I think about it, I'm actually thinking,

764
00:44:03.519 --> 00:44:07.079
how did that work? Exactly? With time travel? Once you

765
00:44:07.199 --> 00:44:12.599
time travel, you start opening up I guess, different doorways

766
00:44:12.880 --> 00:44:16.440
in a sense to other realities, and then once that happened,

767
00:44:16.880 --> 00:44:20.519
you start meeting yourself. So how long had Wesley been

768
00:44:20.679 --> 00:44:24.760
doing this? And how many replicas has he been meeting

769
00:44:24.800 --> 00:44:27.159
of himself over the years? And so I was thinking,

770
00:44:28.280 --> 00:44:30.599
are they going to make a bunch of Wesleys come

771
00:44:30.679 --> 00:44:33.559
and rescue Wesley? Is he going to rescue himself with

772
00:44:33.679 --> 00:44:36.719
a different time traveler? So to me, I was thinking,

773
00:44:36.960 --> 00:44:39.400
this doesn't make a whole lot of sense when he's

774
00:44:39.519 --> 00:44:42.239
like stuck and yet he's a time traveler, you know,

775
00:44:43.119 --> 00:44:46.320
he's supposed to be able to think of things that

776
00:44:46.440 --> 00:44:48.599
nobody else thought of, So I don't know. I thought

777
00:44:48.639 --> 00:44:53.519
it was just like a little redundant in a way

778
00:44:53.639 --> 00:44:58.400
that he stuck. So I don't know. To me, that

779
00:44:58.559 --> 00:45:03.400
whole scene where that torpedo comes crashing crashing in the

780
00:45:03.480 --> 00:45:05.719
voyage and everything, I thought that would kind of cool.

781
00:45:05.880 --> 00:45:09.880
You know, they showed the thrusters maneuvering trying to get

782
00:45:09.880 --> 00:45:11.119
out of the way. But then again, I was like,

783
00:45:11.199 --> 00:45:13.320
how did they use the thrusters if their power is

784
00:45:13.360 --> 00:45:16.440
completely down? So I mean, I know they kind of

785
00:45:16.480 --> 00:45:19.280
backed up their second relays and whatever, but to be honest,

786
00:45:19.320 --> 00:45:22.800
I was like, Eh, well it doesn't really matter. But

787
00:45:23.559 --> 00:45:28.960
other than that, so that female alien from the Nova Squadron,

788
00:45:29.039 --> 00:45:32.559
I actually found a mistake that they made. Remember when

789
00:45:32.559 --> 00:45:34.800
they were in the corridor and they come running down

790
00:45:35.199 --> 00:45:40.599
or actually walking down, and the side panel blew up,

791
00:45:41.159 --> 00:45:44.840
and so she got hurt in her right arm. Well,

792
00:45:45.920 --> 00:45:49.920
when the doctor comes around to put the bone back

793
00:45:49.960 --> 00:45:52.679
in place at the toward the end of that scene,

794
00:45:52.760 --> 00:45:54.960
she's wearing the boys in her left arm, which I

795
00:45:55.039 --> 00:45:57.159
thought was a little strange. I was like, wait a minute,

796
00:45:57.920 --> 00:45:59.559
I thought it was the right arm, so I didn't

797
00:45:59.639 --> 00:46:01.480
understand why they did the leftime. But maybe it's just

798
00:46:01.519 --> 00:46:04.119
a mistake. But anyway, I'll at the best. But so

799
00:46:04.480 --> 00:46:13.400
the other thing was that the shape of that giant

800
00:46:14.920 --> 00:46:19.679
ship that came out of whatever warp they used. I

801
00:46:19.719 --> 00:46:24.159
thought it looked a lot like well, first of all,

802
00:46:24.440 --> 00:46:27.039
the first thing that popped in the mind was the

803
00:46:27.159 --> 00:46:32.119
narrata from the two thousand and nine movie. Secondly, when

804
00:46:32.280 --> 00:46:35.079
they fully came out, it looked a lot like a

805
00:46:35.119 --> 00:46:39.519
board vessel to me, and yes, it was read. And

806
00:46:39.719 --> 00:46:41.679
that's where I was starting to wonder, like, is their

807
00:46:41.760 --> 00:46:45.840
connection with the card because that whole incident where the

808
00:46:45.880 --> 00:46:49.239
board queen kind of like stopped whatever that was coming through.

809
00:46:50.159 --> 00:46:55.199
Could that have been her maybe in a different time

810
00:46:55.400 --> 00:46:57.320
zone or in that time zone, I mean, like a

811
00:46:57.480 --> 00:46:59.920
different reality. I thought it was kind of an interesting connection.

812
00:47:00.159 --> 00:47:05.159
But but yeah, I don't know. I mean, this whole

813
00:47:05.400 --> 00:47:09.039
time travel thing kind of gets a little hairy when

814
00:47:09.079 --> 00:47:12.559
it comes to capturing somebody who's the actual time traveler.

815
00:47:12.599 --> 00:47:16.079
And I was like, oh, okay, fine, So I just

816
00:47:16.119 --> 00:47:18.960
thought that part was a little strange. So I'm actually

817
00:47:18.960 --> 00:47:21.960
gonna give this episode an eight, just because it did

818
00:47:22.239 --> 00:47:28.719
have quite a few fun little sequences of like using

819
00:47:29.159 --> 00:47:32.800
the potort Star, for instance, to acquire a target lock

820
00:47:33.360 --> 00:47:36.119
instead of the fighters. I was actually thinking about that too,

821
00:47:36.199 --> 00:47:37.679
and I was like, why couldn't they just use the

822
00:47:38.360 --> 00:47:40.880
potor star. I know that Janeway said to back off

823
00:47:40.960 --> 00:47:43.599
and everything, but Coach, we all knew that he wasn't

824
00:47:43.599 --> 00:47:46.119
going to be a back off. I mean, it's your

825
00:47:46.199 --> 00:47:48.760
family we're talking about here. You don't mess with family, right,

826
00:47:48.880 --> 00:47:52.840
So to me, I just thought it was an interesting

827
00:47:53.920 --> 00:47:56.079
little thing going on here that I was like, well,

828
00:47:56.119 --> 00:47:58.519
why did you do this? And then eventually they did it.

829
00:47:58.800 --> 00:48:01.639
I was like, okay, cool. So yeah, to me, I'm

830
00:48:01.679 --> 00:48:04.480
going to give this one an eight. And I enjoyed

831
00:48:04.519 --> 00:48:07.599
it a little bit more than I thought I would,

832
00:48:07.719 --> 00:48:12.519
So I don't know, I think that would probably be

833
00:48:13.000 --> 00:48:15.559
what I would yeah, and eight would be for me.

834
00:48:16.639 --> 00:48:18.599
All Right, we got an eight and that leads us

835
00:48:18.800 --> 00:48:22.960
all the way over to Eric m You got the bloody.

836
00:48:23.400 --> 00:48:27.360
Okay, well I do.

837
00:48:27.880 --> 00:48:32.639
I am very intrigued by where this technology that Essensia

838
00:48:32.920 --> 00:48:35.719
is using is coming from. I mean, I think that

839
00:48:35.840 --> 00:48:40.639
we're supposed to get the sense from this episode that

840
00:48:40.800 --> 00:48:47.480
she is harvesting information from Wesley's mind, right, and Wesley

841
00:48:47.639 --> 00:48:52.079
comes up with like the possible scenarios, and then she

842
00:48:52.280 --> 00:48:55.840
sees them and then she makes reactions.

843
00:48:55.360 --> 00:48:55.840
Based on that.

844
00:48:56.440 --> 00:48:59.440
I will say that the technology itself seems pretty advanced,

845
00:49:00.079 --> 00:49:03.400
and I kind of agree with David's point that it

846
00:49:03.679 --> 00:49:05.559
feels like it's got a little bit of a borg

847
00:49:05.719 --> 00:49:09.239
flare to it. I also thought of the nerata.

848
00:49:09.320 --> 00:49:09.960
Like big time.

849
00:49:10.039 --> 00:49:11.800
Right when it starts coming out of the rift thing

850
00:49:11.880 --> 00:49:14.719
and you see the little spikes, You're like, oh, oh, yeah,

851
00:49:14.719 --> 00:49:17.559
it's Nero's narrata. Yeah, we've seen this before, but it's

852
00:49:17.639 --> 00:49:20.360
red instead of green, Like that's the big difference. So

853
00:49:21.679 --> 00:49:25.199
I'm pretty interested in her technology, and I feel like

854
00:49:25.360 --> 00:49:27.559
over the course of the next couple episodes, we're probably

855
00:49:27.599 --> 00:49:29.960
going to get more information as to how she actually

856
00:49:31.320 --> 00:49:36.000
caught a traveler and imprisoned him. That seems impossible, but

857
00:49:36.320 --> 00:49:38.840
if Star Trek is good at one thing, it's showing

858
00:49:38.960 --> 00:49:43.360
us how the impossible becomes possible. So I'm sure there's

859
00:49:43.400 --> 00:49:49.719
a you know, trechnobabble explanation for how Wesley himself gets captured.

860
00:49:51.639 --> 00:49:52.360
You know. It's funny.

861
00:49:52.440 --> 00:49:54.880
David was saying that he doesn't like the fighters thing.

862
00:49:55.079 --> 00:49:59.079
I personally love fighters. I love fighters in all science fiction.

863
00:49:59.239 --> 00:50:02.239
I love him in Battle Star Galactica, I love them

864
00:50:02.360 --> 00:50:05.599
in Star Wars, and I love them here. And you know,

865
00:50:05.719 --> 00:50:08.920
we of course have seen fighters before. We've seen Dominion

866
00:50:09.199 --> 00:50:14.599
and Federation and actually Romulan fighters during the Dominion War

867
00:50:15.559 --> 00:50:18.280
in Deep Space nine, so we know that fighters are

868
00:50:18.320 --> 00:50:23.559
actually part of Federation fleets. Here we see bad guy fighters.

869
00:50:23.679 --> 00:50:25.519
And of course, I mean, of course, if you have

870
00:50:25.639 --> 00:50:28.239
one big giant mega ship, you're gonna have to have

871
00:50:28.360 --> 00:50:31.159
some kind of like little tiny ships right to like

872
00:50:31.880 --> 00:50:34.960
tend the gates, so to speak. So I don't know

873
00:50:35.039 --> 00:50:37.920
that part didn't really really bug me too much. I

874
00:50:38.079 --> 00:50:42.440
will say, you guys all know I am a sucker

875
00:50:42.639 --> 00:50:45.960
for a good love story. And this whole thing about

876
00:50:46.119 --> 00:50:50.920
Zero getting themselves a new body that has tactile sensors

877
00:50:51.400 --> 00:50:54.679
that now will allow them to interact with Michelle in

878
00:50:54.760 --> 00:50:57.239
a different way, I swear to God if they do

879
00:50:57.360 --> 00:50:59.840
the Vulcan two finger thing, I'm gonna lose my shit,

880
00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:02.800
because that is what I am waiting for, is that

881
00:51:03.280 --> 00:51:06.360
that moment when Michelle and Zero actually get to connect,

882
00:51:06.440 --> 00:51:10.880
like on the physical plane posted just on the intellectual plane,

883
00:51:10.880 --> 00:51:14.880
which is where they've sort of enjoyed each other's company

884
00:51:15.159 --> 00:51:19.320
so far. So I'm very excited about Zero's new body.

885
00:51:20.599 --> 00:51:24.199
I love I love that their hands look like Jenkins hands.

886
00:51:24.440 --> 00:51:27.119
You know, they've got like the three fingers and they're

887
00:51:27.199 --> 00:51:30.760
kind of like telewrite bootleg hands.

888
00:51:31.000 --> 00:51:31.960
I think that's pretty cool.

889
00:51:33.519 --> 00:51:37.119
Regarding Asensia, so Paul, I think Paul brought up some

890
00:51:37.239 --> 00:51:40.480
great points about her that she doesn't She has a

891
00:51:40.519 --> 00:51:43.280
little bit of a mustache, twirling villain. I think that

892
00:51:44.159 --> 00:51:48.199
the reason for her motivations is cryptically buried back several episodes,

893
00:51:48.239 --> 00:51:50.719
maybe even last season. I can't remember when, like how

894
00:51:50.800 --> 00:51:53.960
we even know this part about why she cares about

895
00:51:53.960 --> 00:51:57.039
the protostar. So I'm not gonna lie. I pretty much

896
00:51:57.079 --> 00:52:01.639
agree with his assessment that she's not a super interesting character.

897
00:52:01.800 --> 00:52:05.800
For me, it's not the first time in modern Star Trek, though,

898
00:52:05.840 --> 00:52:08.199
that we've seen a character like that that just sort

899
00:52:08.239 --> 00:52:11.199
of was bad for the sake of being bad. I

900
00:52:11.320 --> 00:52:19.480
think about, oh god, the character from Picard, Oh my gosh,

901
00:52:19.559 --> 00:52:24.440
I'm losing the actress's name. Plumber, not Christopher Plummer, Amanda,

902
00:52:24.559 --> 00:52:28.840
Amanda Plumber, like her character from Picard, I felt was

903
00:52:28.920 --> 00:52:30.159
kind of the same way. We were all like, oh

904
00:52:30.199 --> 00:52:32.840
my god, I'm freaking out she's on Picard, And then

905
00:52:32.920 --> 00:52:35.639
they did her character and we were all kind of like, eh,

906
00:52:36.199 --> 00:52:39.800
she was okay, like not just sort of another mustache

907
00:52:39.920 --> 00:52:43.599
twirling villain. Don't really understand her motivations. So, you know,

908
00:52:44.000 --> 00:52:47.159
I can't disagree with Paul. I think Sensia is maybe

909
00:52:47.960 --> 00:52:51.239
a little bit more interesting just because she's got the

910
00:52:51.360 --> 00:52:56.239
whole like race connection to Gwen and the whole like

911
00:52:56.400 --> 00:53:01.679
planetary cultural connection thing. So I think it's marginally more interesting,

912
00:53:02.719 --> 00:53:07.400
probably because of that. I like in these episodes that

913
00:53:07.719 --> 00:53:10.880
the Voyager crew sort of acknowledges that they're not back

914
00:53:10.960 --> 00:53:13.320
in the prime timeline. We talked about that a little

915
00:53:13.360 --> 00:53:17.480
bit last week and about how, like, if we're thinking

916
00:53:17.519 --> 00:53:20.800
about our layers of inception when it comes to Star

917
00:53:20.920 --> 00:53:24.199
Trek Prodigy, we're like one layer away from where we

918
00:53:24.360 --> 00:53:28.199
need to be right now, right And they even acknowledge

919
00:53:28.199 --> 00:53:31.079
it so far in this episode as to have Chacote

920
00:53:31.199 --> 00:53:35.440
talk about how Admiral Janeway is not his Admiral Janeway,

921
00:53:35.519 --> 00:53:38.199
but she has updated her look so that she kind

922
00:53:38.199 --> 00:53:38.960
of like looks.

923
00:53:38.800 --> 00:53:39.960
Like his Admiral Janeway.

924
00:53:40.159 --> 00:53:41.719
So I don't know, I don't know why she would

925
00:53:41.760 --> 00:53:46.960
do that. Maybe that's the like Janeway Chacote character development here.

926
00:53:47.079 --> 00:53:51.519
Maybe like that's acknowledgment of Janeway's thing for Chacote that

927
00:53:52.000 --> 00:53:54.199
she's always sort of secretly had on the side. She's like,

928
00:53:54.239 --> 00:53:56.480
you know what, I'll update my look for you, brother,

929
00:53:56.800 --> 00:54:03.599
because your tattoo is popping right now. Thrusters activate at

930
00:54:03.719 --> 00:54:06.679
very low power settings, very go David. Thrusters are almost

931
00:54:06.679 --> 00:54:11.440
always available, but almost always useless as well. So that's

932
00:54:11.559 --> 00:54:14.400
my that's my take on that. I'll say that I

933
00:54:14.480 --> 00:54:18.519
think my favorite scene of the entire two episode arc

934
00:54:18.559 --> 00:54:24.519
here was the scene where Zero in their old body,

935
00:54:24.920 --> 00:54:28.400
their secondary body, or actually their tertiary body, right because

936
00:54:28.400 --> 00:54:31.360
they've been they went through two robot bodies. Their third

937
00:54:31.440 --> 00:54:35.360
body was this like alien body thing. But when they

938
00:54:35.400 --> 00:54:38.360
are aging and they are just trying to do a

939
00:54:38.480 --> 00:54:42.400
thing while they are aging, it was excruciating. It took

940
00:54:42.480 --> 00:54:46.719
the entire episode for it to happen, and I like that.

941
00:54:46.960 --> 00:54:49.960
I like that it made me kind of uncomfortable along

942
00:54:50.000 --> 00:54:51.239
the way. It was like, oh my god, just do

943
00:54:51.360 --> 00:54:53.760
the thing, and they and then they would hold off

944
00:54:53.960 --> 00:54:57.639
until the next you know, series of scenes or whatever.

945
00:54:57.880 --> 00:55:02.519
So I I personally love that kind of idea of

946
00:55:02.639 --> 00:55:07.039
sacrifice while Jenkins on the side trying to build the

947
00:55:07.119 --> 00:55:09.920
new body. So I think they were kind of like

948
00:55:10.079 --> 00:55:13.280
hinting at that you know, Wrath of con scene where

949
00:55:13.280 --> 00:55:15.280
the two were on the other either side of the glass,

950
00:55:15.320 --> 00:55:18.800
but they didn't quite get there. So anyway, that's my

951
00:55:18.880 --> 00:55:21.599
take on Zero why Zero is still one of my

952
00:55:21.639 --> 00:55:26.320
favorite characters. So in the end, I kind of have

953
00:55:26.480 --> 00:55:29.960
to come in I think where my fellow trekspersts are

954
00:55:29.960 --> 00:55:32.239
coming in. I'm gonna give this one a seven point five.

955
00:55:32.360 --> 00:55:34.360
I'm not afraid of the decimal. I feel like it

956
00:55:34.960 --> 00:55:37.360
deserves just a little bit more than a seven because

957
00:55:37.400 --> 00:55:41.280
of all of its callbacks to other versions of Star Trek,

958
00:55:42.800 --> 00:55:45.119
because it's got some cool mystery in it, like what

959
00:55:45.159 --> 00:55:48.079
the hell's going on with Wesley right now? And then

960
00:55:48.119 --> 00:55:50.639
it's also kind of got this like Zero arc, which

961
00:55:50.679 --> 00:55:53.159
I'm a big fan of. So seven point five for

962
00:55:53.320 --> 00:55:55.559
me for both of these episodes.

963
00:55:56.920 --> 00:56:01.119
Seven point five. Well, Charles at the microphone, you're going

964
00:56:01.199 --> 00:56:03.280
to follow up at seven point five? What do you

965
00:56:03.360 --> 00:56:06.280
got for us? What do you got for us? Brother?

966
00:56:06.960 --> 00:56:07.320
You're up.

967
00:56:08.119 --> 00:56:12.239
Okay, all right. I actually got a few notes written

968
00:56:12.320 --> 00:56:17.400
down to this episode. It was interesting our arc with Jellico,

969
00:56:19.719 --> 00:56:23.039
how we tried to control the mission. Yeah, and then

970
00:56:24.159 --> 00:56:26.519
and at the end, all of a sudden, it's like, yeah,

971
00:56:26.639 --> 00:56:29.519
well we can't can't do a whole lot. We're all

972
00:56:29.599 --> 00:56:32.599
our forces are tied up. It's like, okay, I think

973
00:56:33.679 --> 00:56:37.039
I think she's overall trying to push into a sense

974
00:56:37.079 --> 00:56:40.880
of his plan because he didn't send anybody's help.

975
00:56:43.760 --> 00:56:46.960
Charles, Charles, I forgot to mention Jellico, and can can

976
00:56:47.039 --> 00:56:47.800
we just mention that?

977
00:56:48.199 --> 00:56:49.000
Like, is he not.

978
00:56:50.599 --> 00:56:54.440
Made the bad guy in Star Trek Prodigy, Like he's

979
00:56:54.960 --> 00:56:56.960
he's obviously a pain in the ass, Like he's never

980
00:56:57.079 --> 00:56:59.960
done as saying that. People have been like, oh that's cool.

981
00:57:00.119 --> 00:57:03.760
Jellico gave a really great order. Is he always the

982
00:57:03.800 --> 00:57:04.719
bearer of bad news?

983
00:57:06.039 --> 00:57:11.599
I thinking definitely still playing the bad the evil Admiral.

984
00:57:12.079 --> 00:57:15.719
Yeah, yeah, I mean would feel a little track in

985
00:57:15.920 --> 00:57:19.079
some ways, but like also, if somebody's going to do it,

986
00:57:19.119 --> 00:57:24.760
then it's got to be him, right, Yeah, I.

987
00:57:24.960 --> 00:57:25.599
Love that.

988
00:57:28.800 --> 00:57:33.239
Pronouncing it. Her father comes back sending the message.

989
00:57:33.280 --> 00:57:33.880
I liked that.

990
00:57:35.559 --> 00:57:40.880
Catch him there. We're curious if he was what happened

991
00:57:40.920 --> 00:57:48.000
to him? Curious about that. I thought something rather interesting

992
00:57:48.440 --> 00:57:54.119
when the ship mentioned of where I was traveling, where

993
00:57:54.239 --> 00:57:59.159
the ship was traveling from, and he detected the ship first,

994
00:57:59.320 --> 00:58:08.239
I mean Rember unless gyms got really muted, the ship

995
00:58:08.400 --> 00:58:12.920
was detected by citation pops. They're the ones that found

996
00:58:13.000 --> 00:58:13.400
the ship.

997
00:58:15.239 --> 00:58:15.599
That's right.

998
00:58:17.199 --> 00:58:21.960
The first time I think we've actually had them looking

999
00:58:22.119 --> 00:58:23.840
for and scanning for the ships.

1000
00:58:27.320 --> 00:58:28.239
And I love.

1001
00:58:29.599 --> 00:58:38.239
Yeah, I love the technobabble and trying to pronounce the

1002
00:58:38.360 --> 00:58:46.000
trite chromometric deterioration mm hmmm is what was happening on

1003
00:58:46.280 --> 00:58:51.880
board the ship so that the weapon was there to

1004
00:58:52.440 --> 00:58:59.280
age trying to aid the ship into destruction and they're

1005
00:58:59.320 --> 00:59:01.840
trying to where the go ahead.

1006
00:59:02.360 --> 00:59:04.440
I was just gonna say, that's a nasty weapon and

1007
00:59:04.480 --> 00:59:06.920
where you going to bring The next statement that they said,

1008
00:59:06.960 --> 00:59:09.480
who was going to handle that issue, which I also

1009
00:59:09.519 --> 00:59:14.280
forgot to mention, well the department, Well right.

1010
00:59:14.199 --> 00:59:15.280
But I like that.

1011
00:59:19.280 --> 00:59:23.119
We need somebody to go in and disarm the weapon,

1012
00:59:26.920 --> 00:59:37.360
and they decide that Zero gets sent in. And we

1013
00:59:37.519 --> 00:59:42.679
had more hints on Zeros a condition in this episode

1014
00:59:42.920 --> 00:59:49.800
because we saw them with a kine more my second

1015
00:59:49.960 --> 00:59:56.760
viewing and realized, oh they are. They are deteriorating an

1016
00:59:56.840 --> 01:00:07.000
age and I want to steal the thun Thunder from him,

1017
01:00:07.039 --> 01:00:11.360
so I'll give them a chance. What move did What

1018
01:00:11.679 --> 01:00:16.920
was the first move that, uh, the Nova Squadron made?

1019
01:00:17.079 --> 01:00:24.719
Jim? Well, remember the ultimate move, the Yaeger loop? What

1020
01:00:24.880 --> 01:00:25.719
what else would it be?

1021
01:00:28.320 --> 01:00:32.559
Do you remember the entire move o aboard Starvers.

1022
01:00:33.400 --> 01:00:35.400
It was like it was like three moves if she

1023
01:00:35.519 --> 01:00:38.199
was like this thing into that thing into a er

1024
01:00:38.280 --> 01:00:38.880
loop or whatever.

1025
01:00:40.159 --> 01:00:46.599
Phoenix, it's a theens triad into a Yager loop. And

1026
01:00:47.039 --> 01:00:50.199
I took it out of my cadet notes, But the

1027
01:00:50.360 --> 01:00:55.400
Yaeger loop was actually mentioned in the Nova squad episode

1028
01:00:55.519 --> 01:01:01.480
from TNNG. That was something they were attempting, so that's

1029
01:01:01.559 --> 01:01:06.159
why they were picking it up. But I love that

1030
01:01:06.239 --> 01:01:12.880
they took the squadron ship and added some DELP flyer

1031
01:01:15.000 --> 01:01:22.159
abilities to it, for these aren't just pure fighting ships.

1032
01:01:22.199 --> 01:01:27.760
These are enhanced fighting ships. And people are kind of

1033
01:01:27.800 --> 01:01:29.599
scratching their head. Well, wait a minute, how did they

1034
01:01:29.639 --> 01:01:38.679
get a weapon off the off of Voyager and go

1035
01:01:38.920 --> 01:01:48.559
after the squadronship. Because these the weapon can only the

1036
01:01:48.760 --> 01:01:55.320
only lock and can only lock in and disrupt a

1037
01:01:56.360 --> 01:02:04.000
Starfleet vessel. It can't do multiple so they locked its

1038
01:02:04.119 --> 01:02:08.119
signature whereas you have a torpedo, it has a signature lock.

1039
01:02:08.519 --> 01:02:12.000
They put the signature lock off the Voyager and sent

1040
01:02:12.159 --> 01:02:17.559
it to the squadron ship. Then they produced the great

1041
01:02:17.639 --> 01:02:23.559
maneuver going in flying in pauseic cause to have it

1042
01:02:23.679 --> 01:02:29.239
hit the ship. Where is she getting all this material?

1043
01:02:29.760 --> 01:02:30.599
Lias is.

1044
01:02:32.440 --> 01:02:38.519
Capture time agent. You put them in such a tit

1045
01:02:38.679 --> 01:02:46.800
restraint that they can't escape, and she's feeding information off

1046
01:02:46.880 --> 01:02:52.920
of Wesley, whereas he showed her that image, she's been

1047
01:02:53.039 --> 01:03:01.000
draining information off of him. So somebody he made a

1048
01:03:01.119 --> 01:03:09.239
comment last week and they made the right prediction Paul

1049
01:03:11.480 --> 01:03:15.360
when he said, oh, I think Jacob will have a

1050
01:03:15.519 --> 01:03:24.920
hand in Zero's body, Well yep he did. Now I

1051
01:03:25.000 --> 01:03:27.519
think what's coming up in this episode is I think

1052
01:03:27.599 --> 01:03:31.480
we're going to have a new rescue. I don't think

1053
01:03:31.559 --> 01:03:33.719
he realize it, but I think somehow they've got to

1054
01:03:33.800 --> 01:03:40.079
help rescue Wesley and help him escape, and then move

1055
01:03:40.280 --> 01:03:44.639
into how we're going to get the finale of getting

1056
01:03:45.639 --> 01:03:49.519
the protostar back to where it belongs or why is

1057
01:03:50.079 --> 01:03:54.079
the sense of doing what she's doing. She has a

1058
01:03:54.239 --> 01:03:59.280
major hatred of the Federation. She considers they're the ones

1059
01:03:59.320 --> 01:04:03.719
that destroyed her planet. They caused the war, so she

1060
01:04:03.880 --> 01:04:06.679
went to destroy them to help what she think is

1061
01:04:06.679 --> 01:04:08.239
going to rescue her planet.

1062
01:04:10.519 --> 01:04:14.159
Which I think Charles is to the point that that actually,

1063
01:04:14.679 --> 01:04:16.440
if the writers were to like take this to the

1064
01:04:16.519 --> 01:04:19.360
next level, it's a thing that they should actually bring

1065
01:04:19.480 --> 01:04:21.920
up and remind people of throughout the season. Now, if

1066
01:04:21.960 --> 01:04:25.679
we were binging this, maybe we would, you know, more

1067
01:04:25.800 --> 01:04:29.079
readily remember it, right, Yeah, But since it's been.

1068
01:04:29.719 --> 01:04:33.000
Personally for me, personally for me, I've got some dislike

1069
01:04:33.079 --> 01:04:37.079
and hatreds towards her because she is doing that good

1070
01:04:37.239 --> 01:04:43.400
villain part. She's there trying to be the real villain,

1071
01:04:44.920 --> 01:04:48.400
and I think I like the direction that that's being taken.

1072
01:04:50.519 --> 01:04:54.920
I am going a lot more towards fans on this one,

1073
01:04:57.320 --> 01:04:59.960
and I was on the edge of my seat at time.

1074
01:05:00.280 --> 01:05:04.480
I enjoy these episodes together. I enjoyed this pair, and

1075
01:05:04.559 --> 01:05:06.039
I'm giving this set a nine.

1076
01:05:08.079 --> 01:05:12.159
I thought they did a great job with it, a nine,

1077
01:05:12.239 --> 01:05:16.760
So I gotta I gotta follow up a nine. Wow, Okay,

1078
01:05:17.039 --> 01:05:20.199
so let me give it my best Jaeger loop shot here.

1079
01:05:21.239 --> 01:05:24.960
So I enjoyed it just like it's just like Charles did.

1080
01:05:24.960 --> 01:05:27.559
And I was listening to what everybody said. I did

1081
01:05:27.639 --> 01:05:30.800
definitely get a Star Wars feel from it. There's no

1082
01:05:31.000 --> 01:05:33.639
doubt in my mind. When the Protostar was whipping around

1083
01:05:33.679 --> 01:05:36.880
the giant ship, I kept seeing the Millennium Falcon from

1084
01:05:37.000 --> 01:05:40.239
Return of the Jedi. I'm like, Wow, it's Star Wars.

1085
01:05:41.199 --> 01:05:44.280
But that's okay, you know, that's cool. Star Wars did

1086
01:05:44.320 --> 01:05:46.400
it first, Star Wars did it best, so that's fine

1087
01:05:46.480 --> 01:05:50.000
with me. That didn't bother me. But I definitely got

1088
01:05:50.079 --> 01:05:55.239
the Star Wars vibe from it. The Yaeger Loop, Ultimate

1089
01:05:56.880 --> 01:06:00.360
Zero and Nagel. So here's my take on that thing.

1090
01:06:00.800 --> 01:06:03.199
You guys were saying he didn't get the Spock feel,

1091
01:06:04.199 --> 01:06:07.199
but I did. And what I got the Spock feel

1092
01:06:07.239 --> 01:06:10.400
from I truly. As I was sitting there watching it,

1093
01:06:10.599 --> 01:06:13.480
I said to myself, Oh my god, they're going to

1094
01:06:13.559 --> 01:06:16.119
kill Migel, and I'm not gonna watch the show anymore.

1095
01:06:17.239 --> 01:06:19.719
Because Wesley told her that she had to be there,

1096
01:06:20.320 --> 01:06:22.840
that she was wrapped up in this whole thing and

1097
01:06:22.920 --> 01:06:25.079
she had to play a part. And when they said

1098
01:06:25.119 --> 01:06:29.440
they were going to target the giant cucumber thing on

1099
01:06:29.679 --> 01:06:32.199
her ship and she was going to crash it into

1100
01:06:32.239 --> 01:06:35.920
the Narrata ship. I thought that that's her part. She's

1101
01:06:36.039 --> 01:06:39.480
she's going to sacrifice herself to save her family like

1102
01:06:39.679 --> 01:06:42.719
Spock did in The Wrath of Khan, and I honestly

1103
01:06:43.280 --> 01:06:46.159
one hundred percent thought that's what was going to happen.

1104
01:06:46.679 --> 01:06:49.920
And then they pulled the old switcherruie on me because

1105
01:06:50.159 --> 01:06:53.000
as the ship was crashing, they all ejected in these

1106
01:06:53.039 --> 01:06:55.920
little pods and she didn't die. But right up to

1107
01:06:56.000 --> 01:06:58.559
that point, I was one hundred percent sure that it

1108
01:06:58.719 --> 01:07:01.719
was going to be her that was going to sacrifice herself.

1109
01:07:01.760 --> 01:07:05.639
So yeah, I got that feel that, I got that

1110
01:07:05.800 --> 01:07:09.079
Wrath of con feel from that particular moment. When I

1111
01:07:09.239 --> 01:07:11.679
saw it, I was like, oh my god, I'm gonna

1112
01:07:11.719 --> 01:07:13.320
I'm gonna give up on the show. If they kill her,

1113
01:07:13.840 --> 01:07:16.920
If they kill my favorite character like they always do,

1114
01:07:17.480 --> 01:07:20.360
I'm done. But they didn't, so kudos to them for

1115
01:07:20.599 --> 01:07:26.559
not doing that. Wesley. So here's my how do you

1116
01:07:26.800 --> 01:07:29.960
capture a time traveler who knows what's going to happen

1117
01:07:30.039 --> 01:07:33.559
before it happened? And how would a sensia even know

1118
01:07:33.719 --> 01:07:37.800
that Wesley exists in the first place and where to

1119
01:07:37.880 --> 01:07:43.039
find him when he's in these interdimensional time things they're

1120
01:07:43.760 --> 01:07:47.679
hiding from the new How would she even remote? I

1121
01:07:47.760 --> 01:07:51.360
don't know. That whole thing just seemed contrived to me,

1122
01:07:51.679 --> 01:07:56.039
just to make the episode work. I didn't buy it

1123
01:07:56.079 --> 01:08:02.280
at all. Unless Wesley is setting her up, you know,

1124
01:08:02.480 --> 01:08:05.199
kind of like an Avengers endgame thing, where there's only

1125
01:08:05.280 --> 01:08:08.000
one way it plays out, and he's played them all

1126
01:08:08.079 --> 01:08:11.960
out in his brain, and he's setting her up instead

1127
01:08:11.960 --> 01:08:16.359
of the other way around that that is a distinct possibility,

1128
01:08:16.760 --> 01:08:19.680
because I don't think Wesley is stupid enough to be

1129
01:08:19.840 --> 01:08:23.800
captured by someone like her, because she's not the sharpest

1130
01:08:23.880 --> 01:08:27.840
tool in the shed. She's just hooked on revenge and

1131
01:08:27.960 --> 01:08:32.000
hatred and anger, and in that clouds your judgment, clouds

1132
01:08:32.079 --> 01:08:36.279
your thoughts, and I just I think Wesley's got something

1133
01:08:36.399 --> 01:08:41.399
up as proverbial sweater seeds. We'll have to see she doesn't,

1134
01:08:41.800 --> 01:08:45.319
I'll be disappointed. But how did she catch him? How

1135
01:08:45.359 --> 01:08:47.840
did she know where he was? There's a lot of

1136
01:08:47.960 --> 01:08:52.920
questions there, but we'll wait and see what happens. I

1137
01:08:53.399 --> 01:08:57.600
thought when when Jacot Well, I really thought that Jane

1138
01:08:57.640 --> 01:09:00.399
Way and Jacota were going to plant one on each

1139
01:09:00.439 --> 01:09:03.520
other right there. She kind of gave him that tender

1140
01:09:03.720 --> 01:09:06.520
on the shoulder type of deal, and I thought, wow,

1141
01:09:06.840 --> 01:09:09.039
but this was a lifetime movie. They'd be locking lips

1142
01:09:09.119 --> 01:09:14.319
right now, but they didn't. That's cool too. I did

1143
01:09:14.600 --> 01:09:19.840
like when Chacote says to Nova Squadron that Doll is

1144
01:09:20.239 --> 01:09:22.520
a likes to fly fast and take him with you.

1145
01:09:22.920 --> 01:09:26.520
I really like the support that Jacote is giving to Doll.

1146
01:09:27.039 --> 01:09:31.760
I think that's great. He's giving a supportment in his

1147
01:09:32.079 --> 01:09:34.159
quest to be a captain, and I like that a lot.

1148
01:09:35.159 --> 01:09:38.079
I really liked the doctor in this episode. I thought

1149
01:09:38.119 --> 01:09:41.680
he was great. Little parts that he did have I

1150
01:09:41.800 --> 01:09:47.640
thought were good. Jellico was his typical dick self, which

1151
01:09:47.880 --> 01:09:52.079
what do you expect from Jellico? And when Jane Way

1152
01:09:52.119 --> 01:09:55.560
when they were going to go rogue and uh what happened?

1153
01:09:55.560 --> 01:09:59.039
The Andrian officer says, well, we can't go rogue again,

1154
01:09:59.199 --> 01:10:03.680
and she Otey agrees and Jane May says, okay, we won't.

1155
01:10:04.079 --> 01:10:07.079
So I thought that was a nice little exchange in

1156
01:10:07.159 --> 01:10:11.920
the officers lounge right there, right there? What else? What

1157
01:10:12.039 --> 01:10:16.840
hasn't been said? The fighters? I was like it. It

1158
01:10:16.960 --> 01:10:22.640
reminded me of those little floating things from Insurrection that

1159
01:10:22.720 --> 01:10:25.039
were flying around on the planet. Tagging to people so

1160
01:10:25.159 --> 01:10:27.640
they could beam them up and drain their life force.

1161
01:10:27.720 --> 01:10:27.920
There.

1162
01:10:29.479 --> 01:10:33.039
That's what they reminded me of when they were flying around.

1163
01:10:34.760 --> 01:10:39.359
Let's see. The ship definitely reminded me of the Dorada

1164
01:10:39.439 --> 01:10:45.600
for sure. You know, how did the giant ship get

1165
01:10:46.119 --> 01:10:50.079
there so quick? I don't know, anybody know. I don't

1166
01:10:50.119 --> 01:10:55.960
know unless she used and travel of voodoo that she

1167
01:10:56.159 --> 01:10:57.079
learned from Wesley.

1168
01:10:58.880 --> 01:11:02.479
I mean, it was it was too close to exactly

1169
01:11:02.640 --> 01:11:05.079
the look of the Nerata coming out of the time

1170
01:11:05.199 --> 01:11:07.039
rift in Star Trek two thousand and nine for it

1171
01:11:07.239 --> 01:11:10.279
not to be a time anomaly in my opinion, Like,

1172
01:11:10.399 --> 01:11:13.039
if you're if you're a Star Trek fan watching that scene,

1173
01:11:13.079 --> 01:11:16.439
you're like, oh, that's the scene from two thousand and nine.

1174
01:11:17.680 --> 01:11:23.680
And that unless unless they're using let's say that Borg

1175
01:11:24.439 --> 01:11:28.439
trans Transit or my CIA network.

1176
01:11:29.600 --> 01:11:32.199
Yeah, it's just that it emerges kind of out of

1177
01:11:32.279 --> 01:11:35.640
an invisible plane in exactly the same way that the

1178
01:11:35.720 --> 01:11:38.199
Nearrata does. So I don't disagree with you, Charles, there

1179
01:11:38.239 --> 01:11:40.640
are many ways, But like all of those things have

1180
01:11:40.760 --> 01:11:43.720
a visual style to them too that was not represented here.

1181
01:11:43.760 --> 01:11:46.199
I think that the only visual style we saw here

1182
01:11:46.479 --> 01:11:49.119
was emerging from time rift style.

1183
01:11:50.039 --> 01:11:53.199
Yeah, kind of like the card episode where the board

1184
01:11:53.760 --> 01:11:58.600
came in to stop whatever punching through whatever that hole space.

1185
01:12:00.640 --> 01:12:04.720
See, and if Wesley, if Wesley knows the future, Wesley

1186
01:12:04.800 --> 01:12:07.439
would know. And this is where it gets confusing and

1187
01:12:07.560 --> 01:12:11.560
with the tiny winey stuff, but Wesley would already know

1188
01:12:11.680 --> 01:12:14.680
the outcome of what would happen if he sent the

1189
01:12:14.760 --> 01:12:17.920
ship to that particular point in time, and if they

1190
01:12:18.119 --> 01:12:23.880
use the time travel Kelvin thing like we saw in

1191
01:12:23.960 --> 01:12:28.039
two thousand and nine, Wesley would know, Well, if I send,

1192
01:12:28.439 --> 01:12:30.680
if I show her this version and she sends the

1193
01:12:30.800 --> 01:12:34.319
ship there, this is what's going to happen, and it's

1194
01:12:34.359 --> 01:12:38.600
going to lead to like moving chess pieces on a chessboard,

1195
01:12:39.279 --> 01:12:40.199
and that's what I'm hoping.

1196
01:12:40.560 --> 01:12:44.680
But there's multi but there could be multiple outcomes you've seen.

1197
01:12:45.560 --> 01:12:51.000
He could be showing what was one possible version of

1198
01:12:51.119 --> 01:12:57.359
that timeline ending not predicting that they're smart enough to

1199
01:12:57.520 --> 01:12:58.760
shane the timeline.

1200
01:13:01.920 --> 01:13:04.319
Well, that explains why the ship looks a lot like

1201
01:13:04.439 --> 01:13:07.560
Dorada if that was the thing that he sold her,

1202
01:13:07.720 --> 01:13:09.960
because then she just copied the ship design. I guess

1203
01:13:10.000 --> 01:13:10.319
I don't know.

1204
01:13:11.319 --> 01:13:15.119
Yeah, well, but remember the narrata was just to be

1205
01:13:15.199 --> 01:13:18.439
careful there, because the Narrata was not like designed as

1206
01:13:18.520 --> 01:13:20.840
a time traveling ship. It was a mining ship.

1207
01:13:22.880 --> 01:13:26.880
I'm just saying that Wesley showed her that image like

1208
01:13:27.039 --> 01:13:30.680
what Jim said, you know, like the whole uh that

1209
01:13:30.880 --> 01:13:33.039
part of the story or whatever, and so then she

1210
01:13:33.239 --> 01:13:34.920
just like, hey, that's a cool design. I'll just make

1211
01:13:35.000 --> 01:13:36.920
that ship and make a difference.

1212
01:13:36.960 --> 01:13:42.800
I guess, I don't know, Yeah, it's thrown it out there.

1213
01:13:43.279 --> 01:13:45.199
I just think that.

1214
01:13:48.920 --> 01:13:50.920
Something I wanted to jump in there because I forgot

1215
01:13:51.000 --> 01:13:57.399
to mention this. Did you notice that? Because she was

1216
01:13:57.479 --> 01:14:02.000
feeding off of Wesley's knowledge. Wesley knew all of these

1217
01:14:02.159 --> 01:14:09.960
Stanner maneuvers of ships. So when Squadron was doing their fighting,

1218
01:14:11.720 --> 01:14:12.640
he was able they was.

1219
01:14:12.760 --> 01:14:13.840
She was able to predict.

1220
01:14:14.319 --> 01:14:18.079
The drones were able to follow and predicted stander maneuvers

1221
01:14:19.119 --> 01:14:23.199
when they're smart enough to say, okay, don't use Sanam maneuvers.

1222
01:14:23.640 --> 01:14:27.000
That was how they could defeat the ships because they

1223
01:14:27.039 --> 01:14:29.600
were using something that the ships couldn't come up with.

1224
01:14:30.640 --> 01:14:36.199
So those drones are using an AI using standard standard movements.

1225
01:14:36.960 --> 01:14:39.680
If you prevent those standard if you don't follow those

1226
01:14:39.720 --> 01:14:42.239
standard movements, the AI then can't.

1227
01:14:42.840 --> 01:14:48.600
Predict, right, because it's coming from Wesley's knowledge of the

1228
01:14:48.680 --> 01:14:53.439
nova squadron exactly. I mean, you know, when you get

1229
01:14:53.479 --> 01:14:55.880
into this time stuff, it can go. It just it's

1230
01:14:55.920 --> 01:14:58.239
just a matter of how you perceive it. I don't

1231
01:14:58.279 --> 01:15:01.119
think there's really any right or wrong. We'll have to

1232
01:15:01.119 --> 01:15:02.279
see where they go with it.

1233
01:15:04.239 --> 01:15:06.479
Would be fair to say that it's all relative.

1234
01:15:07.239 --> 01:15:08.199
It's all relative.

1235
01:15:08.359 --> 01:15:12.359
Yes, is going to resture himself with a bunch of

1236
01:15:12.439 --> 01:15:15.800
other Wesley's. I think that's gonna probably go where it

1237
01:15:15.840 --> 01:15:16.079
can be.

1238
01:15:17.840 --> 01:15:22.800
I think, yeah, I think because don't forget Soji is

1239
01:15:23.199 --> 01:15:26.039
there too. She remember in Picard she became one of

1240
01:15:26.159 --> 01:15:34.439
the one of these alive. So she's floating around somewhere.

1241
01:15:35.479 --> 01:15:43.800
So I mean there's a please no, please no. I

1242
01:15:44.159 --> 01:15:47.000
think no, that wasn't so what was his named con?

1243
01:15:47.359 --> 01:15:53.119
I don't even remember her name, but that actress. But

1244
01:15:53.239 --> 01:15:55.960
I think Wesley knows what he's doing. I think he

1245
01:15:56.239 --> 01:15:58.720
this is all part of his plan. I think he's

1246
01:15:58.800 --> 01:16:03.119
luring Estensia into thinking that she's got it made and

1247
01:16:03.279 --> 01:16:07.359
then she doesn't. We'll have to see. But overall, though

1248
01:16:07.560 --> 01:16:09.439
I did, I did enjoy it. It did have a

1249
01:16:09.479 --> 01:16:12.520
lot of Star Wars failure. Guys, are absolutely correct on that,

1250
01:16:13.439 --> 01:16:17.560
but I'm gonna go with an eight point Where should

1251
01:16:17.560 --> 01:16:18.960
I go with, Paul, I'm gonna go with an eight

1252
01:16:19.039 --> 01:16:22.479
point three on this One's not quite an eight point five,

1253
01:16:23.399 --> 01:16:25.640
but it's better than an eight. So I'm gonna go

1254
01:16:25.680 --> 01:16:29.760
with an eight point three for these two episodes. That's

1255
01:16:29.840 --> 01:16:31.319
my score and I'm sticking to it.

1256
01:16:32.960 --> 01:16:35.720
So there, you have no way to bribe you to

1257
01:16:35.760 --> 01:16:36.439
go a little higher.

1258
01:16:37.800 --> 01:16:44.000
The Trek Spurts have spoken, so Charles, compared to what

1259
01:16:44.199 --> 01:16:47.680
our fans on our Facebook gave it a nine point three,

1260
01:16:48.840 --> 01:16:50.920
How does that compare with our trek Spurts.

1261
01:16:53.279 --> 01:16:57.640
Well, I had to go in and take because of

1262
01:16:57.760 --> 01:17:03.880
somebody's score, modify the average and had to put it

1263
01:17:04.000 --> 01:17:04.840
to a seven.

1264
01:17:04.640 --> 01:17:09.560
Point nine five hmm, Well we had.

1265
01:17:11.840 --> 01:17:13.119
And at seven point.

1266
01:17:16.119 --> 01:17:16.840
A little bit like it.

1267
01:17:17.399 --> 01:17:22.239
Point that's like a little lesson what the fans thought.

1268
01:17:23.359 --> 01:17:23.640
Humm.

1269
01:17:24.399 --> 01:17:28.039
And Paul, what did what did our our IMBD score it?

1270
01:17:28.199 --> 01:17:32.560
As we're trying to say, and I want to say, uh,

1271
01:17:32.920 --> 01:17:35.680
an eight something. I mean, they've generally been really favorable.

1272
01:17:35.760 --> 01:17:38.079
Let me just double check it here for you. I've

1273
01:17:38.159 --> 01:17:42.239
got that open right now. So we had for these

1274
01:17:42.359 --> 01:17:48.199
two one almost neck and Neck Part one eight point five,

1275
01:17:48.640 --> 01:17:51.800
Part two eight point six, so really high. I mean,

1276
01:17:51.840 --> 01:17:54.000
I think most people seem like they really liked it.

1277
01:17:54.119 --> 01:17:57.720
Those are pretty much just you know those tie back

1278
01:17:57.760 --> 01:17:59.880
when we had the I Love This two part of

1279
01:18:00.119 --> 01:18:01.800
Devour of All Worlds. I thought it was a great

1280
01:18:01.840 --> 01:18:04.239
tuo partner. And that's the same score that that one got,

1281
01:18:04.760 --> 01:18:06.800
so people generally really like it. And I remember this

1282
01:18:06.880 --> 01:18:09.960
has been up for a while, so yeah, you know,

1283
01:18:10.439 --> 01:18:13.000
aren't like fresh numbers, right, I mean, they're ones that

1284
01:18:13.119 --> 01:18:15.640
have represent a lot of people watching it over times.

1285
01:18:15.680 --> 01:18:21.399
They're pretty solid averages, right, yeah. So yeah, so we

1286
01:18:21.520 --> 01:18:24.239
got a couple of individual episodes. Next we had Brink,

1287
01:18:25.479 --> 01:18:27.479
which is the next one we'll do, and then Touch

1288
01:18:27.600 --> 01:18:32.720
of Gray, which certainly intimates aging and time in that title,

1289
01:18:32.880 --> 01:18:34.680
so I'll be curious about that one. And then we

1290
01:18:34.720 --> 01:18:38.199
have the two par finale after that, so it'll be

1291
01:18:38.239 --> 01:18:41.000
good to have a couple of individual episodes, and those

1292
01:18:41.119 --> 01:18:44.840
tend to lean themselves more I think, towards character building

1293
01:18:44.920 --> 01:18:47.239
and smaller moments, so I'm really looking forward to that.

1294
01:18:47.439 --> 01:18:48.880
That's I hope that's what we get.

1295
01:18:49.680 --> 01:18:52.159
And then we have Aaron Walk So what more could

1296
01:18:52.199 --> 01:18:52.600
you ask for?

1297
01:18:53.960 --> 01:18:56.560
And no, I know that'll be great. And he was, man,

1298
01:18:56.680 --> 01:18:58.399
he was such a great cast on my lot. He

1299
01:18:58.479 --> 01:19:02.560
was just terrific guy waiting to you know, here is yeah,

1300
01:19:02.720 --> 01:19:04.640
just here. Let's just let the guy talk, right, Just

1301
01:19:04.680 --> 01:19:05.640
let him go, bananas.

1302
01:19:06.119 --> 01:19:09.479
You just let him go, all right, guys. So that

1303
01:19:09.760 --> 01:19:12.640
that wraps up our discussion on Ascension part one and

1304
01:19:12.680 --> 01:19:25.319
part two. And now is time for our birthdays. So

1305
01:19:32.720 --> 01:19:35.680
that was not a Clinton song. And this week I

1306
01:19:35.800 --> 01:19:38.600
got the right birthday song. Last week I played the

1307
01:19:38.640 --> 01:19:41.279
wrong one. Stuff. There you have it, all right, guys.

1308
01:19:41.319 --> 01:19:44.600
We always start off our Star Trek birthdays by sadly

1309
01:19:44.720 --> 01:19:47.119
or enough remembering those members of our Star Trek family

1310
01:19:47.520 --> 01:19:50.640
who are no longer with us, and for that we

1311
01:19:50.800 --> 01:19:51.159
turned to.

1312
01:19:51.279 --> 01:19:53.239
Eric, Yeah, Jim.

1313
01:19:53.319 --> 01:19:56.119
This week we're gonna remember five members of our Star

1314
01:19:56.199 --> 01:19:59.119
Trek community who have gone before us, and we're gonna

1315
01:19:59.159 --> 01:20:02.800
open with h Unfortunately, a brand new member of our

1316
01:20:02.880 --> 01:20:08.920
remembrance community. Just last month we lost Patty Yasutaki. She's

1317
01:20:09.000 --> 01:20:12.800
the actress, of course, who played Alyssa Ogawa in sixteen

1318
01:20:12.880 --> 01:20:16.920
episodes of the Next Generation and in two Star Trek films,

1319
01:20:16.960 --> 01:20:23.119
Star Trek Generations and Star Trek First contact. Yasukataki remembered

1320
01:20:23.159 --> 01:20:26.239
watching Star Trek the original series together with her family

1321
01:20:26.439 --> 01:20:30.119
on television, and several years later she auditioned for the

1322
01:20:30.159 --> 01:20:34.199
part of an unnamed con officer on TG but wasn't

1323
01:20:34.560 --> 01:20:38.520
actually cast. Eventually, she of course got that part of

1324
01:20:38.680 --> 01:20:43.439
nurse Alissa Ogawa in the fourth season episode Future Imperfect,

1325
01:20:43.880 --> 01:20:45.880
but she wasn't convinced that she was going to be

1326
01:20:46.000 --> 01:20:50.439
called back, so although she was a contender for that

1327
01:20:50.680 --> 01:20:54.640
role as well as the role of Keiko O'Brien, she

1328
01:20:54.760 --> 01:20:58.760
eventually would get recast as Alissa Ogawa, which I think

1329
01:20:58.880 --> 01:21:02.880
is pretty cool. Interestingly enough, you know, throughout her television

1330
01:21:03.119 --> 01:21:06.319
career she was cast many many times as a doctor

1331
01:21:06.600 --> 01:21:10.199
or a nurse on television movies along the way, so

1332
01:21:10.279 --> 01:21:13.600
I guess typecast might be the type of thing that.

1333
01:21:15.079 --> 01:21:16.279
You know befits her.

1334
01:21:16.960 --> 01:21:21.079
But she of course had many many different television credits

1335
01:21:21.079 --> 01:21:23.119
to her name. You can go on her IMDb page,

1336
01:21:23.159 --> 01:21:26.119
but just it's pretty deep. She was guest starring on

1337
01:21:26.319 --> 01:21:29.479
many many shows back in the day. But Patti Yasutaki

1338
01:21:29.600 --> 01:21:33.840
unfortunately lost just August fifth, at twenty twenty four, at

1339
01:21:33.880 --> 01:21:37.560
the relatively young age of seventy years old. We do

1340
01:21:37.720 --> 01:21:41.119
miss her and you know, wish all the best of

1341
01:21:41.239 --> 01:21:45.039
her family happy birthday as well. To Bruce Gray, he's

1342
01:21:45.119 --> 01:21:48.920
the actor who played Admiral Chakote, not that one, but

1343
01:21:49.079 --> 01:21:51.680
the one who spelled slightly differently in The Deep Space

1344
01:21:51.800 --> 01:21:55.199
nine second season episode The Circle and in the Next

1345
01:21:55.279 --> 01:22:01.479
Generation seventh season episode Gambit Part one. He later played Surak.

1346
01:22:02.239 --> 01:22:06.399
That Surak, yeah, the one right in Star Trek Enterprises

1347
01:22:06.439 --> 01:22:09.520
four season episode Awakening. What a great episode. If you

1348
01:22:09.560 --> 01:22:15.359
haven't seen that episode of Star Trek Enterprise, stop what

1349
01:22:15.439 --> 01:22:17.640
you're doing and go watch it out because it's really good.

1350
01:22:20.079 --> 01:22:22.920
What's that? Yeah?

1351
01:22:22.960 --> 01:22:28.279
I know? He also, I know it is.

1352
01:22:28.479 --> 01:22:33.239
The Stalagmites are involved there, Yes, yes, yes, but Bruce

1353
01:22:33.319 --> 01:22:35.479
Gray also starred in the entire run of the Canadian

1354
01:22:35.600 --> 01:22:40.640
series Traders and had a reoccurring role on Babylon five. Yeah,

1355
01:22:40.720 --> 01:22:43.960
he was on Babylon five. He was also a regular

1356
01:22:44.159 --> 01:22:47.359
on the American version of the show Queer as Folk.

1357
01:22:48.680 --> 01:22:50.560
He was the father of the groom in the two

1358
01:22:50.600 --> 01:22:53.199
thousand and two comedy My Big Fat Greek Wedding. I'm

1359
01:22:53.239 --> 01:22:55.479
sure you saw that, and in two thousand and eight

1360
01:22:55.600 --> 01:22:58.399
he made a brief appearance on Boston Legal, which of

1361
01:22:58.439 --> 01:23:01.000
course we all know was the show that William Shatner

1362
01:23:01.600 --> 01:23:04.119
did later on in his career. So Bruce Gray lost

1363
01:23:04.159 --> 01:23:06.119
back in twenty seventeen at the right old age of

1364
01:23:06.159 --> 01:23:08.760
eighty one years old. We do miss him. Thank you

1365
01:23:08.880 --> 01:23:11.319
so much for your Star Trek contributions and happy Birthday,

1366
01:23:11.960 --> 01:23:14.880
Happy birthday as well to Byron Morrow. He's the veteran

1367
01:23:14.960 --> 01:23:18.640
actor who played Admiral Komak in the TOS second season

1368
01:23:18.720 --> 01:23:23.479
episode A Month Time. Also played Admiral Westverly in the

1369
01:23:23.800 --> 01:23:26.880
third season episode for the World as Hollow and I

1370
01:23:26.960 --> 01:23:30.359
Have Touched the Sky. He was the first actor on

1371
01:23:30.560 --> 01:23:33.359
Star Trek to appear as a character in the Admiralty.

1372
01:23:33.920 --> 01:23:37.600
That's right, he's our precedent for what an admiral should

1373
01:23:37.600 --> 01:23:39.680
be like, and not a bad one, I would say.

1374
01:23:40.119 --> 01:23:43.239
Born in Chicago, Illinois, Morrows served his country in World

1375
01:23:43.279 --> 01:23:47.720
War Two, performing in theater productions during his tour of duty.

1376
01:23:48.359 --> 01:23:51.359
He began appearing in film and television in the late

1377
01:23:51.439 --> 01:23:55.760
nineteen fifties and amassed some two hundred appearances in a

1378
01:23:55.920 --> 01:24:01.159
career spanning the next thirty five years. Prolific actor Byron

1379
01:24:01.239 --> 01:24:03.720
Morrow lost all the way back in two thousand and

1380
01:24:03.760 --> 01:24:07.000
six at the ripe ripe old age of ninety four

1381
01:24:07.199 --> 01:24:10.479
years old. Thank you so much, Byron. We really appreciate

1382
01:24:10.560 --> 01:24:12.840
your contributions to Star Trek and happy birthday to you.

1383
01:24:13.560 --> 01:24:16.359
Happy birthday as well to Richard Webb, the actor who

1384
01:24:16.439 --> 01:24:20.560
played Lieutenant Commander Benjamin Finney in the TOS first season

1385
01:24:20.640 --> 01:24:25.479
episode Court Martiall. Webb is probably best recognized as the

1386
01:24:25.520 --> 01:24:29.159
star of the nineteen fifties science fiction series Captain Midnight.

1387
01:24:29.680 --> 01:24:32.199
He was also the star of a short lived syndicated

1388
01:24:32.279 --> 01:24:35.920
adventure series called Border Patrol, which aired in nineteen fifty nine,

1389
01:24:36.520 --> 01:24:40.000
and remembered for his supporting roles in such critically acclaimed

1390
01:24:40.039 --> 01:24:43.920
films as Out of the Past and Sands of Ewojima.

1391
01:24:44.640 --> 01:24:47.760
Web retired from acting after portraying the role of General

1392
01:24:47.880 --> 01:24:51.399
Rawlings on the daytime drama series Days of Our Lives

1393
01:24:51.479 --> 01:24:55.880
and became an author, writing four books on psychic phenomena

1394
01:24:56.359 --> 01:25:00.359
and the occult. Yeah that's right, talk about it. Career

1395
01:25:00.439 --> 01:25:03.439
switch Richard Webb lost ten ninety three. Happy birthday, Richard.

1396
01:25:04.000 --> 01:25:06.000
And last but out least in our remembrance list this

1397
01:25:06.079 --> 01:25:10.720
week is actor John Cole. John coll played Herm Gossip

1398
01:25:10.920 --> 01:25:14.319
in the TOS first season episode MUDs Women. He also

1399
01:25:14.439 --> 01:25:17.319
had small roles in three movies, A Portrait of a

1400
01:25:17.399 --> 01:25:20.760
Mobster from sixty one, The Split from sixty eight, and

1401
01:25:20.880 --> 01:25:23.760
The Wrecking Crew from sixty nine, and over a dozen

1402
01:25:23.840 --> 01:25:28.560
television guest appearances from nineteen sixty five through nineteen seventy two,

1403
01:25:28.720 --> 01:25:32.119
including things like Bewitched, which I watched an awful lot of,

1404
01:25:32.399 --> 01:25:34.920
I will admit, also Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea,

1405
01:25:35.840 --> 01:25:40.279
The Fugitive, and I Spy. He also served as a

1406
01:25:40.399 --> 01:25:43.680
first lieutenant in the US Army during the Korean War

1407
01:25:43.800 --> 01:25:46.720
in the fifties. So John Cole lost back in two

1408
01:25:46.720 --> 01:25:49.279
thousand and three at seventy five years old. Happy birthday

1409
01:25:50.000 --> 01:25:53.119
to you, and that does it for our remembrances. Guys,

1410
01:25:53.199 --> 01:25:57.119
I'm going to pass this slaming birthday candle. Oh yeah,

1411
01:25:57.359 --> 01:26:00.840
I miss you missed one, could I miss Robert Wise?

1412
01:26:01.800 --> 01:26:07.640
Robert Wise the director and acting executive producer of the

1413
01:26:07.800 --> 01:26:10.880
nineteen seventy nine film Star Trek Demotion picture That's the Guy.

1414
01:26:11.760 --> 01:26:15.000
He received his sole Saturn Award nomination as Best Director

1415
01:26:15.079 --> 01:26:17.279
for this film. And I will tell you thank you

1416
01:26:17.399 --> 01:26:21.000
Charles for bringing this up. Paul and I have been

1417
01:26:21.079 --> 01:26:24.079
to see this movie together on the big screen, and

1418
01:26:24.319 --> 01:26:27.720
this is something else, right, guys, this is what brought

1419
01:26:27.840 --> 01:26:30.960
us from the television series into the new realm of

1420
01:26:31.039 --> 01:26:34.119
Star Trek, and it was just something special at that time.

1421
01:26:34.279 --> 01:26:37.520
I mean, unfortunately it followed Star Wars, which I think

1422
01:26:37.560 --> 01:26:39.720
it will forever be compared against. But I don't think

1423
01:26:39.760 --> 01:26:43.000
there's any comparison because it's actually got a totally different

1424
01:26:43.039 --> 01:26:45.520
vibe to it, much more similar to nineteen sixty eight,

1425
01:26:45.680 --> 01:26:49.359
two thousand and one Stanley Kruberg's film. But I love

1426
01:26:49.439 --> 01:26:52.199
this movie, and Robert Wise was a big part of

1427
01:26:52.279 --> 01:26:54.199
making that thing happen the way that it did. Anybody

1428
01:26:54.239 --> 01:26:55.760
else want to say anything about Robert.

1429
01:26:55.520 --> 01:26:58.760
Wise, He was a genius. I mean he was just

1430
01:26:58.880 --> 01:27:03.239
so incredible influential. I mean, you know, I would say

1431
01:27:03.359 --> 01:27:06.359
to a huge degree, you know, I mean, there's a

1432
01:27:06.479 --> 01:27:12.560
handful of movies that you can say really helped make

1433
01:27:13.640 --> 01:27:15.319
established cinematic science fiction.

1434
01:27:15.960 --> 01:27:18.640
Right, There's just so so few because.

1435
01:27:18.520 --> 01:27:20.039
A lot of them were like the ones that were

1436
01:27:20.119 --> 01:27:23.439
like cheesy and goofy, right, you know, ridiculous, right, But

1437
01:27:23.840 --> 01:27:26.039
but where there were serious ideas going on and there

1438
01:27:26.119 --> 01:27:28.079
was really something happening. You got to go back to

1439
01:27:28.199 --> 01:27:32.199
Robert Wise nineteen fifty one, The Daily Earth stoods Okay

1440
01:27:32.319 --> 01:27:35.119
with Michael Rennie. I mean we the tip of the

1441
01:27:35.199 --> 01:27:37.560
hat to that is in the you know what, was

1442
01:27:37.600 --> 01:27:43.399
it the the season one premiere of Strange New Worlds.

1443
01:27:43.439 --> 01:27:46.720
I think where Pike is watching it in his cabin, right,

1444
01:27:46.920 --> 01:27:50.239
I mean belovedly. It's just it's I'm pretty sure that

1445
01:27:50.319 --> 01:27:52.520
was the episode. But I mean, if you've never seen

1446
01:27:52.560 --> 01:27:54.960
that movie, I mean, it's like The Ten Commandments. I mean,

1447
01:27:55.000 --> 01:27:57.600
this is incredible. It's just there's a lot of ideas

1448
01:27:57.720 --> 01:28:02.479
and amazing stuff in there. And I had the great

1449
01:28:02.520 --> 01:28:05.720
pleasure to meet Robert Wise briefly in New York years ago.

1450
01:28:05.960 --> 01:28:08.600
I mean just to say hello, you know, but what

1451
01:28:08.760 --> 01:28:12.640
a fricking legend. I mean. Also on his sci fi

1452
01:28:12.800 --> 01:28:16.960
the CZ is an incredible picture called The Andromeda Strain.

1453
01:28:17.119 --> 01:28:19.319
I don't know if you've ever seen met, but another

1454
01:28:20.840 --> 01:28:25.239
brilliant picture, brilliant picture, The Andrama Strain. And movies like

1455
01:28:25.319 --> 01:28:28.239
The Sand Pebbles, The Sound of Music, West Side Story.

1456
01:28:28.319 --> 01:28:31.560
He was just a Hollywood legend, right, and I think

1457
01:28:31.600 --> 01:28:34.520
the thing that he brought to you know, I think

1458
01:28:34.600 --> 01:28:38.560
to reinforce what Eric's talking about why this movie feels

1459
01:28:38.600 --> 01:28:41.319
so different from the other movies that came afterwards from

1460
01:28:41.359 --> 01:28:44.800
the Nicholas Myer era. Right, is Wise really interested the

1461
01:28:44.880 --> 01:28:47.359
idea of an epic and the movie emotion picture was

1462
01:28:47.399 --> 01:28:51.840
something different. It was a cinematic experience. He structured all

1463
01:28:51.960 --> 01:28:54.840
of those I mean, we're lucky that the director's cut

1464
01:28:54.920 --> 01:28:56.520
is all restored now and you can watch it on

1465
01:28:56.640 --> 01:29:01.399
four K and just crystal clear imagery. It's just I mean,

1466
01:29:01.439 --> 01:29:04.359
it's made like the cinema of David Lean, right, that

1467
01:29:04.520 --> 01:29:07.840
really knew how to do like widescreen filmmaking and treated

1468
01:29:07.880 --> 01:29:10.279
it as an epic with like an overture and an

1469
01:29:10.359 --> 01:29:12.920
own fact and all of those components that made you

1470
01:29:12.960 --> 01:29:15.079
feel like, Wow, I'm going to see something big and

1471
01:29:15.159 --> 01:29:17.880
special and I expect to have my mind blown by

1472
01:29:17.960 --> 01:29:19.720
what I'm going to see. Right where I'm going to

1473
01:29:19.760 --> 01:29:23.880
be taking another place and you know, in no way

1474
01:29:23.920 --> 01:29:28.359
disparage you know, start two, three, and four. Right, they

1475
01:29:28.439 --> 01:29:32.920
feel more like TV compared to like the great Golden

1476
01:29:32.960 --> 01:29:37.800
Age of you know, uh, CinemaScope from like the fifties. Right,

1477
01:29:38.119 --> 01:29:41.359
That's what the motion picture feels like. And that's because

1478
01:29:41.439 --> 01:29:47.279
of the legacy of you know, the great epics that

1479
01:29:47.479 --> 01:29:51.119
Robert Wise is involved in. So he's really a remarkable guy.

1480
01:29:51.279 --> 01:29:54.279
And what a wonderful thing to have, you know, one

1481
01:29:54.279 --> 01:29:59.439
of the great voices of old Hollywood usher in you know,

1482
01:29:59.720 --> 01:30:03.640
the era of Star Trek motion pictures so real, you know,

1483
01:30:04.119 --> 01:30:04.840
touch a genius.

1484
01:30:05.880 --> 01:30:09.800
Yeah, awesome, Thanks Paul, And I think David brought up

1485
01:30:09.920 --> 01:30:13.520
another great person that we probably should honor, even though

1486
01:30:13.560 --> 01:30:17.199
he doesn't specifically connect to Star Trek. Just this past week,

1487
01:30:17.239 --> 01:30:20.279
we lost actor James Earl Jones at the age of

1488
01:30:20.439 --> 01:30:25.000
ninety three years old. And you know, I think pretty

1489
01:30:25.079 --> 01:30:27.640
much every American that has ever seen a movie knows

1490
01:30:27.680 --> 01:30:31.880
who James Earl Jones is, but we we probably honor

1491
01:30:31.960 --> 01:30:34.800
him as the voice of Darth Vader, for which you

1492
01:30:34.800 --> 01:30:38.920
will remember he was originally uncredited in episode four. His

1493
01:30:39.399 --> 01:30:42.199
name did not appear in the credits for that movie.

1494
01:30:43.560 --> 01:30:47.359
But man, what a voice, what a presence, what a

1495
01:30:47.920 --> 01:30:52.800
you know actor, I mean, his his bravitas on the

1496
01:30:52.880 --> 01:30:58.920
screen I think is something very special. And it's kind

1497
01:30:58.960 --> 01:31:01.560
of cool that we've got I believe, isn't he one

1498
01:31:01.600 --> 01:31:03.720
of the people that we've got kind of like AI

1499
01:31:04.000 --> 01:31:08.039
voice of him or something, a voice of him? Yeah,

1500
01:31:08.399 --> 01:31:10.640
so you know, we may get to hear a little

1501
01:31:10.640 --> 01:31:15.279
bit more from James Earl Jones postumulously we'll have to

1502
01:31:15.359 --> 01:31:21.319
see I'm not really yeah, but we also lost him

1503
01:31:21.359 --> 01:31:24.159
this week at ninety three years old. So that you all,

1504
01:31:24.680 --> 01:31:27.600
thank you so much Charles bringing up Robert Wise, James

1505
01:31:27.680 --> 01:31:30.479
Earl Jones included. That does it for our remembrances on

1506
01:31:30.760 --> 01:31:33.319
So I'm going to pass this slaming birthday candle over

1507
01:31:33.439 --> 01:31:34.159
to Charles.

1508
01:31:35.840 --> 01:31:39.199
Okay, thank you, Eric. Let's start out with a Happy

1509
01:31:39.239 --> 01:31:46.239
birthday to Lauren Loptis, the actress who voiced Jennifer Sann

1510
01:31:46.640 --> 01:31:51.319
in Star for Glower Decks. I think Jennifer back. We

1511
01:31:51.399 --> 01:31:53.640
haven't seen much of her last season. I think we

1512
01:31:53.760 --> 01:31:58.439
need more of her coming back. Happy Birthday that Day,

1513
01:31:59.159 --> 01:32:04.000
actress who played Vulcan Captain Fankick in Star Trek Enterprises

1514
01:32:04.079 --> 01:32:10.720
pre season episode Breaking the Ice. Corbyn Bernson, actress who

1515
01:32:10.800 --> 01:32:15.079
played Q two in Star Trek's Next Generation third season

1516
01:32:15.199 --> 01:32:20.479
episode deja Q. I want to get an interesting pair together,

1517
01:32:21.319 --> 01:32:26.279
Get Corbin and Corbyn and Delancey together. I've seen them

1518
01:32:26.319 --> 01:32:29.720
on a panel on stage. Those two are a rot.

1519
01:32:31.680 --> 01:32:37.720
Happy birthday, Dylan, Dylan von Hayley Child, actress who played

1520
01:32:37.880 --> 01:32:41.119
young John Luke Picard in the second season of Star

1521
01:32:41.239 --> 01:32:50.520
Trek Picard. Happy Birthday Tara the Code Demo, the actors

1522
01:32:50.640 --> 01:32:54.159
who played Admiral Patar and Star Trek Discovery second season

1523
01:32:54.319 --> 01:33:00.520
episode at Emory Serves and Project Data Lists. Happy Birthday

1524
01:33:00.640 --> 01:33:06.560
to Harry tread Treadaway, English actors who played Nerek first

1525
01:33:06.640 --> 01:33:14.000
season of Star Trek for card Happy birthday to Julia Nicholson,

1526
01:33:14.760 --> 01:33:19.399
actors who played LeAnn Hazoo in Star Trek's Next Generation

1527
01:33:19.560 --> 01:33:24.159
first season episode The Arsenal of Freedom and the Cardassian

1528
01:33:24.399 --> 01:33:28.359
in the Star Tek d States nine second season episode Paradise,

1529
01:33:30.079 --> 01:33:32.399
and the last one on my list. A Happy birthday

1530
01:33:32.439 --> 01:33:38.960
to Paul As Tompkins, American actor, comedian writer who voice

1531
01:33:39.279 --> 01:33:44.199
Doctor Manvego in Star Trek Lower Decks. If we're looking forward,

1532
01:33:44.239 --> 01:33:47.960
it's in more than doctor and seeing what kind of

1533
01:33:48.039 --> 01:33:52.640
psychological things he might be trying to talk about. Paul,

1534
01:33:52.720 --> 01:33:53.760
who's on your list?

1535
01:33:54.399 --> 01:33:57.439
Thanks, Charles, appreciate it well, I tell you, it's just

1536
01:33:57.600 --> 01:33:59.520
always interesting to see who's born.

1537
01:34:00.079 --> 01:34:00.239
Man.

1538
01:34:00.600 --> 01:34:05.239
All right, it's a while, but all kinds of folks

1539
01:34:05.279 --> 01:34:08.640
that are I love to be able to just you know,

1540
01:34:08.800 --> 01:34:10.960
celebrate when we do these. It's just so much fun

1541
01:34:11.000 --> 01:34:13.680
every time we go through with the names. Right, But

1542
01:34:14.079 --> 01:34:16.640
first of all, Keon J. Young is having a birthday

1543
01:34:17.359 --> 01:34:19.319
or had a birthday actually a couple of weeks ago.

1544
01:34:19.680 --> 01:34:23.600
Hawaiian born actor typed the role of Buck Bocai in

1545
01:34:23.880 --> 01:34:27.279
the Deep Space nine first season episode of Wishes Were Horses,

1546
01:34:28.039 --> 01:34:30.640
and then went on later to appear as mister Sato

1547
01:34:30.840 --> 01:34:36.560
in the enterprise second season episode Vanishing Point. Got a

1548
01:34:36.760 --> 01:34:42.039
gush momentarily for our next birthday person. Uh do I

1549
01:34:42.199 --> 01:34:47.439
love this guy, the great Idris Elba okay, who we're

1550
01:34:47.479 --> 01:34:52.279
acknowledging for his work in Star Trek Beyond, where he

1551
01:34:52.359 --> 01:34:57.800
played the villainous crawl right under a ton on prosthetic makeup.

1552
01:34:57.920 --> 01:35:01.560
But man, Idris Elba is just the bomb. That guy

1553
01:35:01.680 --> 01:35:05.479
is incredible. So many good things that he's done. I

1554
01:35:05.600 --> 01:35:07.880
mean a lot of times people go, oh, yeah, he

1555
01:35:08.000 --> 01:35:11.119
was the guy's stuck at Pentecost in Pacific rim right

1556
01:35:11.399 --> 01:35:15.319
or you know Handahl in Thor But man, check out

1557
01:35:15.399 --> 01:35:19.880
this guy's earlier work, especially his TV work, right. If

1558
01:35:20.840 --> 01:35:25.560
I know there's a fair number of Britt TV fans

1559
01:35:25.880 --> 01:35:29.920
on the show here because of Doctor who love. Have

1560
01:35:30.079 --> 01:35:33.560
either of you guys watched Luthor ever?

1561
01:35:34.800 --> 01:35:37.199
Yes, I have seen Luthah.

1562
01:35:37.439 --> 01:35:40.279
I just think that's one of the greatest detective shows ever.

1563
01:35:40.960 --> 01:35:43.560
And he's just such a badass, and he's just the

1564
01:35:43.640 --> 01:35:46.319
guy who's just unstoppable and has his own code and

1565
01:35:46.399 --> 01:35:49.520
he's just one of the great British detective shows of

1566
01:35:49.640 --> 01:35:53.560
all time, right, I mean just incredible. And then you know,

1567
01:35:53.880 --> 01:35:56.199
just check the guy's range, right watching play the other

1568
01:35:56.359 --> 01:35:58.680
side of the Law and Order offence right where he

1569
01:35:58.800 --> 01:36:02.399
played the the stringer bell on the Wire And if

1570
01:36:02.439 --> 01:36:07.479
you've never watched The Wire like predates Sopranos on HBO,

1571
01:36:07.920 --> 01:36:10.560
well of the greatest TV shows of all time, and.

1572
01:36:10.920 --> 01:36:13.680
He is the main big bad of that series.

1573
01:36:13.840 --> 01:36:18.800
It's just amazing performance. So the dude is just phenomenal.

1574
01:36:18.920 --> 01:36:21.000
I mean people have been, you know, putting his name

1575
01:36:21.079 --> 01:36:22.079
up for a long.

1576
01:36:21.960 --> 01:36:24.119
Long time as being somebody who would just be a

1577
01:36:24.279 --> 01:36:28.680
phenomenal inheritor of the mantle of James Bond. Right, And

1578
01:36:28.800 --> 01:36:31.000
I don't know if the world has got to shit

1579
01:36:31.079 --> 01:36:33.239
together enough you have to be able to do a

1580
01:36:33.359 --> 01:36:36.640
common sense move like that, right, But because you know,

1581
01:36:36.840 --> 01:36:38.840
we still seem to have so many issues that we

1582
01:36:38.920 --> 01:36:42.560
can't get pass. But man, I would love to see

1583
01:36:42.640 --> 01:36:44.119
him do something like that because the dude is just

1584
01:36:44.199 --> 01:36:49.159
so talented, so so great. So happy birthday, Idris Elba. Man,

1585
01:36:49.239 --> 01:36:50.960
I want to see him just Patrick, without all the

1586
01:36:51.000 --> 01:36:54.399
makeup and well he's not trapped underneath the prosthesis. That

1587
01:36:54.520 --> 01:36:56.840
would be pretty fucking.

1588
01:36:56.640 --> 01:36:58.279
Amazing in my view.

1589
01:36:58.960 --> 01:37:02.520
Another ledgen and right on the heels of is the

1590
01:37:03.039 --> 01:37:08.840
dominal brain exploding. Jeffrey Cobs. Okay, is there anybody that

1591
01:37:09.000 --> 01:37:11.640
doesn't love Jeffrey Combs. I first saw this cat in

1592
01:37:11.720 --> 01:37:15.680
a horror movie called Reanimator, and Jim, you know Reanimator right?

1593
01:37:17.960 --> 01:37:19.279
Absolutely? Who doesn't.

1594
01:37:20.560 --> 01:37:21.960
It was my first rated R movie.

1595
01:37:24.600 --> 01:37:30.199
So great, man, Wow, that was your first trip to

1596
01:37:30.239 --> 01:37:38.479
the movies. It explains a lot, dude, No, I didn't.

1597
01:37:38.680 --> 01:37:39.479
You have to understand.

1598
01:37:39.520 --> 01:37:41.479
I didn't have access to VHS, so I had to

1599
01:37:41.560 --> 01:37:44.279
go over to my friend's house to watch rated R movies.

1600
01:37:44.439 --> 01:37:46.520
So, oh, man, this is a big thing.

1601
01:37:47.359 --> 01:37:55.520
I'm sorry I didn't know your education. That's great and

1602
01:37:56.119 --> 01:37:58.079
so many I mean, you could do a whole show.

1603
01:37:58.199 --> 01:38:01.680
And this guy, he's so phenomenal, right, one of the

1604
01:38:01.720 --> 01:38:04.039
most unhinged things I've ever seen. Him do was he

1605
01:38:04.159 --> 01:38:07.439
played a character in Peter Jackson's The Frighteners. I don't

1606
01:38:07.439 --> 01:38:10.119
know if it's a pretty fun ghost story picture, but

1607
01:38:10.279 --> 01:38:11.560
he's just out of his mind.

1608
01:38:13.239 --> 01:38:13.920
That's great.

1609
01:38:14.520 --> 01:38:21.079
But because he has played at least nine different characters

1610
01:38:21.159 --> 01:38:25.640
across four different parts of the Star Trek franchise right,

1611
01:38:26.079 --> 01:38:31.359
most notably the ones that we're thinking about him that

1612
01:38:31.439 --> 01:38:34.359
we're just gush. The hardest is for all the different

1613
01:38:34.399 --> 01:38:39.239
wayuns and start keep space nine right. I think that

1614
01:38:40.079 --> 01:38:42.680
this seems like there's at least one way in Congress

1615
01:38:42.800 --> 01:38:46.479
right now, as near as I can tell. So I

1616
01:38:47.720 --> 01:38:52.319
feel like I'm recognizing wayun frequently when I'm watching the

1617
01:38:52.760 --> 01:38:54.600
news coverage. But I could be right.

1618
01:38:54.920 --> 01:38:56.920
I haven't I seen you before somewhere?

1619
01:38:57.680 --> 01:39:00.159
Yeah, it seems like you've reared your head before or

1620
01:39:01.279 --> 01:39:07.199
and uh and then of course uh and on Enterprise.

1621
01:39:08.119 --> 01:39:11.000
From my money, one of the greatest characters on all

1622
01:39:11.079 --> 01:39:14.720
Star Trek, I think Sean's just amazing. I would watch

1623
01:39:14.720 --> 01:39:15.640
the Sewan series.

1624
01:39:17.239 --> 01:39:21.840
Oh, that would have been awesome back in the day

1625
01:39:21.880 --> 01:39:23.720
if they had run that in parallel with Star Trek

1626
01:39:23.840 --> 01:39:28.439
Enterprise and had like a series. Because what we still

1627
01:39:28.520 --> 01:39:30.760
don't get is in the enterprise. We get a couple

1628
01:39:30.800 --> 01:39:33.960
of episodes where they're on and Doria, but we still

1629
01:39:34.199 --> 01:39:36.720
never get a solid look at the planet. And like,

1630
01:39:37.319 --> 01:39:39.960
I could imagine a whole thing where he's like coming

1631
01:39:40.079 --> 01:39:44.720
up in the military ranks of Andorria right and on

1632
01:39:44.840 --> 01:39:47.239
the planet and yeah that and.

1633
01:39:47.319 --> 01:39:51.199
They could further explore the culture and everything.

1634
01:39:51.560 --> 01:39:55.840
Ye, but it's just you know, he's uh And of

1635
01:39:55.880 --> 01:39:57.760
course we didn't mention it, but he's you know, there's

1636
01:39:57.800 --> 01:40:00.119
the voice of Agamus on lower decks as well. We

1637
01:40:00.239 --> 01:40:02.159
better not forget that because you know, he's all over

1638
01:40:02.239 --> 01:40:04.840
the place. He is all over the place. And this

1639
01:40:05.039 --> 01:40:09.199
dude just works like crazy. He's just constantly working. I

1640
01:40:09.680 --> 01:40:13.000
just don't think he's capable of being boring. I just don't.

1641
01:40:13.119 --> 01:40:16.079
He's just so unhinged and talented and expressive. He's just

1642
01:40:16.199 --> 01:40:19.640
a great performer. So we celebrate you, Jeffrey Colmes. If

1643
01:40:19.800 --> 01:40:23.520
in some weird twist of the universe, you're listening to

1644
01:40:23.640 --> 01:40:26.800
the show or your agent is listening, God, we'd love

1645
01:40:26.840 --> 01:40:28.119
to have you as a guest on the show. We

1646
01:40:28.159 --> 01:40:33.319
would treat you like a king. Okay, dude, I'm telling you,

1647
01:40:34.319 --> 01:40:36.640
this guy on the show, he's just the best. He's

1648
01:40:36.680 --> 01:40:39.279
just a living legend. It's a happy birthday. Moving on,

1649
01:40:39.560 --> 01:40:44.159
Happy Birthday. Ali Hassan, actor comedian, played Commando Hanson auslat

1650
01:40:44.479 --> 01:40:46.920
On Strange the World's first season episode of Quality of Mercy.

1651
01:40:47.439 --> 01:40:51.319
Very cool part Happy birthday to Harry Greiner, a German

1652
01:40:51.439 --> 01:40:56.560
born American actor who played Tim Elbron in third season

1653
01:40:56.680 --> 01:40:59.239
Next Gen episode ten Man, which I think a lot

1654
01:40:59.279 --> 01:41:03.359
of folks know. He also played a Nikkannie magistrate in

1655
01:41:03.560 --> 01:41:08.840
The Voyager third season episode Sacred Ground, minister Nathan Samuels

1656
01:41:09.000 --> 01:41:13.079
in The Enterprise fourth season episodes Demons and Tara Prime.

1657
01:41:13.159 --> 01:41:14.960
So it's cool when you find actors who are like,

1658
01:41:15.079 --> 01:41:17.239
I can do science fiction, and then they just start

1659
01:41:17.319 --> 01:41:21.600
showing up all over the place. The nice thing that

1660
01:41:21.680 --> 01:41:24.399
happens when you have an aggressive agent, get you booked,

1661
01:41:24.640 --> 01:41:26.520
get him back. You know, it's like when you're in

1662
01:41:26.880 --> 01:41:30.000
he's probably easy to work with, right, So that's usually

1663
01:41:30.000 --> 01:41:33.119
how you get rehired. Read Bernie is having a birthday

1664
01:41:33.279 --> 01:41:36.520
and having that birthday just yesterday. Read Bernie and Mac

1665
01:41:36.640 --> 01:41:39.000
who played Luck in the Star Trek Exchange in World

1666
01:41:39.079 --> 01:41:42.239
second season episode Among the Locus Eaters. It's a very

1667
01:41:42.279 --> 01:41:46.640
recent episode and Finally, I'd like to say, right be

1668
01:41:46.880 --> 01:41:52.159
happy birthday to Susan Gibney, American actress born in Manhattan Beach, California,

1669
01:41:52.239 --> 01:41:57.279
who played Oh now, Jordie, calm down, Jeordie, just really

1670
01:41:57.479 --> 01:41:59.039
try to just sit down, Jeordie.

1671
01:41:59.039 --> 01:41:59.960
It's okay, you're gonna.

1672
01:41:59.760 --> 01:42:02.319
Be Come on, she's smart and she's got great hair.

1673
01:42:02.520 --> 01:42:04.880
Come on, I know she is. Jordie's really just like

1674
01:42:05.000 --> 01:42:07.560
he's like pressing his face against the class there right now.

1675
01:42:08.119 --> 01:42:14.000
Because Susan Gibney played Leah Brahms Okay on Next Gen's

1676
01:42:14.079 --> 01:42:17.000
third and fourth season episode The Booby Trap. I'm sure

1677
01:42:17.039 --> 01:42:18.479
there's a fun in there, but I'm not going to

1678
01:42:18.560 --> 01:42:23.680
stoop that low and Galaxy's child, and then very coolly

1679
01:42:24.159 --> 01:42:27.800
reprise her role as Leah Bram's voicing sort of an

1680
01:42:27.840 --> 01:42:32.920
illusionary replica of Leah Brahms's character on Lower Decks third

1681
01:42:32.960 --> 01:42:37.760
season episode Mining the Mind's Minds, and also appeared as

1682
01:42:37.960 --> 01:42:41.800
Beneen in Deep Space nine fourth season episodes home Front

1683
01:42:41.920 --> 01:42:44.560
and Paradise Lost. So clearly, Susan give Me is still

1684
01:42:44.600 --> 01:42:48.000
working away and very much invested in continuing to keep

1685
01:42:48.039 --> 01:42:50.439
her legacy going in Star Trek, So come on, the show,

1686
01:42:50.560 --> 01:42:54.680
Susan giveney, we'd love to have you and we can

1687
01:42:54.720 --> 01:42:57.239
have a special Leah Brahms episode. That would be cool.

1688
01:42:57.520 --> 01:43:01.520
So why not, Okay, last trip getting all built?

1689
01:43:02.560 --> 01:43:04.279
I don't know, you know, it's always going to have

1690
01:43:04.319 --> 01:43:07.359
somebod who knows how the parts work. Right. There you go,

1691
01:43:08.439 --> 01:43:11.960
and that's no booby trap. So let's go ahead and

1692
01:43:12.239 --> 01:43:17.760
pass the flaming birthday candle of quantum torpedoes over to

1693
01:43:17.920 --> 01:43:18.319
Uncle Jim.

1694
01:43:19.399 --> 01:43:22.359
Why, thank you, thank you, thank you so much. Paul. Well,

1695
01:43:22.520 --> 01:43:24.319
usually I don't have a lot, but.

1696
01:43:24.479 --> 01:43:27.119
I've got a bunch of Klingons and I always love

1697
01:43:27.239 --> 01:43:30.319
me some good Klingon. So we're gonna start off by

1698
01:43:30.359 --> 01:43:36.239
saying couplah to Robin Atkins down. He's an English actor

1699
01:43:36.359 --> 01:43:39.840
and prolific voice actor who played Commander.

1700
01:43:39.680 --> 01:43:43.560
Tog and the old Quingon officer in Star Trek Lower

1701
01:43:43.640 --> 01:43:48.720
Deck see episode We Douge. And if you guys don't

1702
01:43:48.760 --> 01:43:52.840
know this, the character of Tog is the same Klingon

1703
01:43:53.000 --> 01:43:57.840
character that Wharf rescues from in that episode of TNG.

1704
01:43:59.439 --> 01:43:59.800
Was that right?

1705
01:44:01.159 --> 01:44:02.000
Yeah? Rightful air?

1706
01:44:02.520 --> 01:44:03.439
No, not rightful air?

1707
01:44:03.479 --> 01:44:06.840
What was that episode where he goes to the planet

1708
01:44:06.960 --> 01:44:09.239
and all the Klingons are living with the Romulans and

1709
01:44:10.399 --> 01:44:11.960
was it rightful? And no, it wasn't rightful.

1710
01:44:12.159 --> 01:44:17.439
Oh oh yeah, yeah, I had something to do with

1711
01:44:18.159 --> 01:44:20.239
family loom or something like that.

1712
01:44:21.239 --> 01:44:24.560
It was a two part episode. And this is the

1713
01:44:24.680 --> 01:44:30.159
same Klingon teenager that Wharf teaches the ways of the

1714
01:44:30.239 --> 01:44:33.319
Klingon too, teaches him how to sing cling On songs

1715
01:44:33.359 --> 01:44:36.439
and how to be kling On. This is the same character.

1716
01:44:36.800 --> 01:44:38.560
So I thought it was really cool that they lifted

1717
01:44:38.600 --> 01:44:42.760
a character from TNG and show him sometime later as

1718
01:44:42.840 --> 01:44:46.960
an actual Klingon warrior with honor and respect who saves

1719
01:44:47.039 --> 01:44:51.520
the day. So happy birthday and called plaw till Robert

1720
01:44:51.680 --> 01:44:58.399
Atkins downs. They also want to say law to Charles Eston.

1721
01:44:58.960 --> 01:45:01.880
He's the actors singer who played Devach in Star Trek

1722
01:45:01.960 --> 01:45:05.680
the Next Generation six season episode Rightful Air and the

1723
01:45:05.840 --> 01:45:10.560
Daithon Alaris and Star Trek Voyagers third season episode. Remember,

1724
01:45:11.880 --> 01:45:15.279
we also want to say a huge happy birthday and

1725
01:45:15.359 --> 01:45:20.479
kaplat to Joel Jay Kramer. He is a stuntman and

1726
01:45:20.560 --> 01:45:26.000
stunt coordinator and director who played the Klingon navigator in

1727
01:45:26.239 --> 01:45:30.159
Star Trek the Motion Picture. Speaking of Star Trek the

1728
01:45:30.199 --> 01:45:34.520
Motion Picture, there's an actor from the movie, So happy

1729
01:45:34.640 --> 01:45:39.399
birthday and this next one, well, what can you say

1730
01:45:40.319 --> 01:45:43.880
she gets more than a kaplaw We want to say

1731
01:45:44.479 --> 01:45:49.079
Happy birthday to rock sand Dawson. She's the actress best

1732
01:45:49.119 --> 01:45:53.600
known for portraying Lieutenant Blana Taurus on Star Trek Voyager.

1733
01:45:54.079 --> 01:45:56.920
She was initially credited on the show as rock sand

1734
01:45:57.199 --> 01:46:00.960
Biggs Dawson. She also directed to pisodes The Star Trek

1735
01:46:01.239 --> 01:46:07.920
Voyager and ten episodes of Star Trek Enterprise. And of

1736
01:46:08.000 --> 01:46:11.960
course Belona Taurus married Tom Parris, so we have that

1737
01:46:12.119 --> 01:46:15.279
whole chapter going on as well. So happy birthday and

1738
01:46:15.359 --> 01:46:21.239
kapla to Roxane Dawson. We also want to say called

1739
01:46:21.439 --> 01:46:25.279
Law to Andrew Jackson. He's the actor who played Captain

1740
01:46:25.359 --> 01:46:28.880
de Jock in Star Trek Strange New World's second season

1741
01:46:28.960 --> 01:46:32.640
episode The Broken Circle. And in case you guys don't remember,

1742
01:46:33.159 --> 01:46:36.680
he's the klingon that war or that a Spock is

1743
01:46:36.800 --> 01:46:39.720
drinking the blood wine with in the beginning of the

1744
01:46:39.760 --> 01:46:43.520
episode and he out drinks the Klingon. This is that guy.

1745
01:46:44.560 --> 01:46:47.359
And last, but definitely not least on my list is

1746
01:46:47.920 --> 01:46:51.279
a really good one, a great one, fun episode, fun character.

1747
01:46:51.880 --> 01:46:55.319
We want to say Cauplata Mary Kay Adams. She played

1748
01:46:55.399 --> 01:46:58.560
grill Go in Star Trek Deep Space nine third and

1749
01:46:58.760 --> 01:47:02.439
fifth season episode The House of Cork, which was a

1750
01:47:02.680 --> 01:47:06.720
riot and of course looking for Parmak in all the

1751
01:47:06.800 --> 01:47:12.079
wrong places. Another really really great quing on episode of

1752
01:47:12.239 --> 01:47:16.560
Deep Space nine and that my friends wraps up all

1753
01:47:16.680 --> 01:47:19.399
of our Star Trek birthdays this week. And I guess

1754
01:47:19.680 --> 01:47:26.680
Eric isn't having some technical difficulties. I guess, So, Paul,

1755
01:47:26.760 --> 01:47:29.000
would you like to take Eric's story here?

1756
01:47:30.880 --> 01:47:33.640
If I'm out Stasio, but it is. It is definitely

1757
01:47:33.960 --> 01:47:36.520
a worthy story that we don't want to miss here,

1758
01:47:36.600 --> 01:47:40.399
so Ya try to do your solid help you out, okay,

1759
01:47:40.560 --> 01:47:42.720
and I hope I do your justice, buddy. But we

1760
01:47:42.840 --> 01:47:46.640
are talking about upcoming filming as we speak right now,

1761
01:47:47.239 --> 01:47:51.119
Starfleet Academy and five things you need to know about

1762
01:47:51.279 --> 01:47:54.640
the new upcoming Star Trek show. Because the Star Trek

1763
01:47:54.760 --> 01:47:57.399
universe continues to expand, and even as one show ends,

1764
01:47:57.479 --> 01:48:01.319
another in production orbody's the beginning. Star Trek Discovery is

1765
01:48:01.359 --> 01:48:04.079
the most recent show to come to close after five seasons,

1766
01:48:05.000 --> 01:48:07.680
and one of the upcoming products is getting some attention,

1767
01:48:08.000 --> 01:48:11.239
a lot of attention is Starfleet Academy long aided show

1768
01:48:11.319 --> 01:48:15.279
the schedule for release in twenty twenty six, so it

1769
01:48:15.359 --> 01:48:17.760
seems farther alof but you know, I'll tell you it'll

1770
01:48:17.760 --> 01:48:19.640
be here before we know it. So that's where things go.

1771
01:48:20.520 --> 01:48:23.720
Fact number one. Not only will the show explore the

1772
01:48:23.840 --> 01:48:26.800
usual trials and challenges that come with being accepted into

1773
01:48:26.880 --> 01:48:30.319
an attendez famous officer's training ground, but life in the

1774
01:48:30.319 --> 01:48:34.560
Star Trek universe presents other serious issues. The plot includes

1775
01:48:34.600 --> 01:48:37.399
a shadowy new foe that threatens life in the galaxy,

1776
01:48:37.760 --> 01:48:39.960
and the new cadets have to be prepared for it.

1777
01:48:40.840 --> 01:48:44.000
Fact number two. The Academy was closed for some time

1778
01:48:44.119 --> 01:48:47.439
until it was reopened by Captain Michael Burnham in season

1779
01:48:47.520 --> 01:48:50.960
four Discovery, paving the way for Star Trek Starfleet Academy.

1780
01:48:51.479 --> 01:48:51.640
Two.

1781
01:48:51.720 --> 01:48:54.439
Other familiar characters will be helping students and cadets as

1782
01:48:54.439 --> 01:48:58.319
they navigate their way through academy life. Sylvia Tility of

1783
01:48:58.359 --> 01:49:02.119
Discovery and the Doctor from Voyager. Tilly is one of

1784
01:49:02.199 --> 01:49:05.199
the instructors of the Academy and will be appearing as

1785
01:49:05.239 --> 01:49:07.640
a guest instead of a regular member of the cast

1786
01:49:07.960 --> 01:49:12.960
or a recurring character. M Interesting Robert Riccardo will be

1787
01:49:13.039 --> 01:49:17.199
reprising his role as a holographic emergency medical program from

1788
01:49:17.239 --> 01:49:20.199
the USS Voyager, but whether he'll be an instructor, mentor,

1789
01:49:20.279 --> 01:49:24.439
or another role is yet unknown. Fact number three. Work

1790
01:49:24.520 --> 01:49:26.319
on the first ten episodes of the series is currently

1791
01:49:26.359 --> 01:49:28.880
ongoing and is expected to be completed the next year,

1792
01:49:29.399 --> 01:49:33.680
making its production concurrence with Section thirty one, which is

1793
01:49:33.720 --> 01:49:36.359
not a series but a standalone movie. This is the

1794
01:49:36.399 --> 01:49:39.279
same location where Discovery was also filmed, and fans can

1795
01:49:39.319 --> 01:49:41.479
find it to rod that want to Pinewood Severe's group.

1796
01:49:42.119 --> 01:49:46.000
Fact number four. It seems to practical effects are coming

1797
01:49:46.079 --> 01:49:48.840
back to some extent, and the set designs of Starcy

1798
01:49:48.920 --> 01:49:52.119
Academy reflects some ambitious real world models and sense instead

1799
01:49:52.159 --> 01:49:55.439
of a CGI generated amager, a painted on a sound stage.

1800
01:49:56.640 --> 01:49:59.880
Production designer Matthew Davies has created the biggest set ever

1801
01:50:00.079 --> 01:50:02.880
created for a Star Trek show. It's also the biggest

1802
01:50:02.920 --> 01:50:05.960
soundstage ever built in Canada, at two stories high and

1803
01:50:06.119 --> 01:50:11.399
forty five thousand square feet, featuring an including mess hall,

1804
01:50:11.640 --> 01:50:15.960
several classrooms and amphitheater, a few catwalks and stairways, and

1805
01:50:16.079 --> 01:50:19.399
a scenic view that includes the Golden gate Bridge. Oh wow,

1806
01:50:19.560 --> 01:50:22.760
so we're still back on San Francisco There we Go

1807
01:50:24.680 --> 01:50:28.399
and Fact number five. San Diego Comic Con is one

1808
01:50:28.399 --> 01:50:31.520
of the biggest annual events of the movie in Telesvision industries,

1809
01:50:31.640 --> 01:50:37.720
taking place in July. Yay I Love Comic Con. The

1810
01:50:37.800 --> 01:50:41.039
Star Trek Universe Discussion panel used the time at the

1811
01:50:41.119 --> 01:50:43.680
con to announce the return of several legacy characters, and

1812
01:50:43.720 --> 01:50:47.239
the names included more than Mary Wiseman, Is Tilly and

1813
01:50:47.399 --> 01:50:50.399
Ravit Pricardo. Other names from Discovery that will be appearing

1814
01:50:50.960 --> 01:50:54.760
in Starkfleet Academy include Tig Nataro will be returning as

1815
01:50:54.880 --> 01:50:58.720
Jet Reno, and o'deed Fair will be reprising his role

1816
01:50:58.760 --> 01:51:03.159
as Sleep Admiral Charles Vay. But wait, this headline promised

1817
01:51:03.199 --> 01:51:06.479
you five facts you needed to know. That's right, five

1818
01:51:06.600 --> 01:51:09.720
things you needed to know. My friends, put down your

1819
01:51:09.760 --> 01:51:12.479
sorry and Brandy, because I'm sitting here and here to

1820
01:51:12.560 --> 01:51:14.680
tell you that, yes, there is a bonus fact you

1821
01:51:14.760 --> 01:51:20.960
need to know. Bonus Facts number six Engage also inspired

1822
01:51:20.960 --> 01:51:23.399
by the events and characters of Discovery. The concept of

1823
01:51:23.439 --> 01:51:25.199
section thirty one has been around for some time in

1824
01:51:25.279 --> 01:51:28.720
modern check but Starfleet's coverts By network has never had

1825
01:51:28.760 --> 01:51:32.640
its own show. The popularity of Teliver Georgia, the original

1826
01:51:32.720 --> 01:51:35.920
Captain of the US's discovery prompted a spin off based

1827
01:51:35.960 --> 01:51:39.239
on her Mirror Universe counterpart coming to Our Universe and

1828
01:51:39.359 --> 01:51:43.439
joining Section thirty one. Details about production and casting have

1829
01:51:43.600 --> 01:51:47.319
been more secretive than other projects, which hilariously reflects the

1830
01:51:47.399 --> 01:51:50.279
nature of the series itself. But this show is even

1831
01:51:50.319 --> 01:51:53.680
closer to completion. The release dates for Section thirty one,

1832
01:51:54.199 --> 01:51:59.720
which is not a series of a standalone movie, is

1833
01:52:00.159 --> 01:52:04.199
not are justice vague but state twenty twenty five. I'm

1834
01:52:04.279 --> 01:52:07.239
not sure who wrote this, Bluru, but I think they.

1835
01:52:08.319 --> 01:52:09.720
Some bad english Man.

1836
01:52:10.239 --> 01:52:13.960
Yeah, yeah, I think it's the copy paste function of

1837
01:52:14.039 --> 01:52:19.279
the protocre doesn't seem to be working today, So what's

1838
01:52:19.319 --> 01:52:22.840
going on? And yeah, we've known that's a single standalone movie,

1839
01:52:22.920 --> 01:52:26.840
not a series, since before it was even greenlit. I'm

1840
01:52:26.920 --> 01:52:30.800
pretty sure. So I don't know fact number six. That's

1841
01:52:30.840 --> 01:52:32.800
all I got, but it seems to me from what

1842
01:52:32.880 --> 01:52:36.079
I'm seeing. Next is the man who was shouldering his

1843
01:52:36.159 --> 01:52:39.760
way up to the podium, ready to speak, ready to

1844
01:52:39.880 --> 01:52:42.079
take us into the future, is none out of them?

1845
01:52:43.039 --> 01:52:46.159
Charles himself, Charles, would you care to read the next story?

1846
01:52:46.239 --> 01:52:46.560
My friend?

1847
01:52:48.359 --> 01:52:48.520
Oh?

1848
01:52:48.680 --> 01:52:51.119
Definitely. I think I'm the only one that's probably caught

1849
01:52:51.199 --> 01:52:55.079
up with this one. Star Trek and Doctor Who united

1850
01:52:55.239 --> 01:53:01.640
for Intergalactic Friendship Day. East Side Group is announced, an

1851
01:53:01.800 --> 01:53:06.560
unpred presidented crossover between Star Trek and Doctor Who. The

1852
01:53:06.680 --> 01:53:11.239
two belives so the University collide in a news story

1853
01:53:11.319 --> 01:53:15.279
specifically made for International Friendship Day. The worlds of Star

1854
01:53:15.439 --> 01:53:20.039
Trek and Doctor Who will intertwine bring fans a story

1855
01:53:20.159 --> 01:53:25.520
that spawn across galaxies and time in the two mobile

1856
01:53:25.560 --> 01:53:30.319
games Star Trek Lower Decks and Doctor Who Lost in Time.

1857
01:53:31.079 --> 01:53:35.199
We are beyond excited to bring together these iconic franchises

1858
01:53:35.279 --> 01:53:39.039
for a crossover event that fans have only dreamed about,

1859
01:53:39.760 --> 01:53:45.840
said Kevin George, head of Games at BBC. Collaboration offers

1860
01:53:45.920 --> 01:53:50.000
a unique opportunity to explore a brand news storyline with

1861
01:53:50.159 --> 01:53:54.680
a Doctor and Star Trek characters can work together. Players

1862
01:53:54.720 --> 01:53:58.199
will experience a story in a mysterious time space ripple

1863
01:53:58.279 --> 01:54:03.760
that rows Doctor Who aboard Star Truk, Lower Decks US

1864
01:54:03.960 --> 01:54:08.560
Thritos Well Captain, while Lieutenant Brad Boimler and then some

1865
01:54:09.520 --> 01:54:16.000
decade Mariner find themselves thrust in them agmatic Doctor universe,

1866
01:54:16.600 --> 01:54:20.720
with the ripple streppening the very fabric of reality. The

1867
01:54:20.840 --> 01:54:26.239
Doctor And has joined forces with the Resourcefulness Crew of

1868
01:54:26.359 --> 01:54:29.159
the Three Dos, while Bread and Beckett team up with

1869
01:54:29.680 --> 01:54:33.720
Agendary River Song. Together, they race against time to repair

1870
01:54:33.800 --> 01:54:37.039
the ripple and set things right. Fans can dowload The

1871
01:54:37.159 --> 01:54:40.760
Doctor Who Lost in Time and Star Truk four decks

1872
01:54:40.880 --> 01:54:45.239
mobile games, and prepare for the Ultimate Side Crossover, the

1873
01:54:45.319 --> 01:54:51.039
Event of the Summer. I know these are iOS games.

1874
01:54:51.239 --> 01:54:57.520
I am pretty sure they're probably also Android, both of them,

1875
01:54:59.720 --> 01:55:03.960
both on my phone on my phone. I haven't done

1876
01:55:04.000 --> 01:55:05.000
the crossover yet.

1877
01:55:06.079 --> 01:55:07.479
Yeah, I haven't played him yet.

1878
01:55:09.399 --> 01:55:14.000
Wow, Dad, I thought for sure, Well.

1879
01:55:14.000 --> 01:55:15.960
Jim's gonna have to just go to his phone and

1880
01:55:16.279 --> 01:55:19.159
download him on his phone and playing Money's Break at work.

1881
01:55:20.319 --> 01:55:23.520
Well I could do that. I could do that, but

1882
01:55:24.159 --> 01:55:25.640
I got so much stuff to work on with the

1883
01:55:25.720 --> 01:55:29.560
podcast break at work. You know. I got to do

1884
01:55:29.640 --> 01:55:33.800
these things when I have time on my coffee break.

1885
01:55:33.880 --> 01:55:36.399
Only when I'm at work, by the way, or maybe

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at lunch. So guys, you know what time it is?

1887
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Another guy?

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Yeah, I just can't believe a quick time just just

1889
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evaporates when we get talking about Star Trek. It's incredible,

1890
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just amazing. So uh yeah, before we go, I just

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want to take an opportunity to say that, you know,

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it wasn't for James Earl Jones, and it's incredible portrayal

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in Star Wars which pulled me in. I probably wouldn't

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be a tricky right now because Star Wars got me

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into the whole sci fi thing, and then of course

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I discovered Star Trek and here we are, so James

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Earl Jones is definitely going to be missed. So I

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want to take an opportunity here to say thank you,

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thank you so much to our very own Charles for

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hanging out and Shrek talking with us tonight. Thank you

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01:56:31.520 --> 01:56:35.319
so much, Charles, Well, thank you very much.

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I enjoyed it.

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It was It was fun, quick but fun. And I

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want to say thank you so much to David for

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01:56:42.039 --> 01:56:43.880
hanging out in Trek talking with us, even though he

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01:56:43.880 --> 01:56:46.680
didn't bring the donuts or the troubles, but they did

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kind of make an appearance at the beginning of the

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01:56:48.760 --> 01:56:52.359
show when the Gremlins were polling around my board. Thank

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01:56:52.439 --> 01:56:55.000
you so much, David, Dude, do do do.

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It wasn't me, by the way, but we had fun.

1911
01:56:58.359 --> 01:57:02.399
Thank you, No, it was. And of course I want

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to thank you so much to Paul for hanging out

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and Trek talking with us and it's awesome Fridays. Thank

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01:57:08.319 --> 01:57:08.760
you so much.

1915
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Paul, always a blast man. It was really really fun.

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So we'll see what we got a double dose next week.

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Can't wait to see what they serve up.

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Yeah, it's gonna be fun. It always is and definitely

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last but not least, I want to say thank you

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so much to Eric for hanging out and trek talking

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with us tonight. Thank you Eric. Jim.

1922
01:57:28.399 --> 01:57:30.960
I still can't figure out why this podcast is only

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01:57:31.199 --> 01:57:34.680
eleven minutes long. It has to be eleven minutes because

1924
01:57:35.000 --> 01:57:36.479
I have so much more to say.

1925
01:57:37.520 --> 01:57:46.119
Flies right, doesn't it? Perhaps we we we do need

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01:57:46.199 --> 01:57:48.920
to get all polls, pol poles, pull.

1927
01:57:48.800 --> 01:57:51.800
Slog we do you know what I'm I'm I'm starting

1928
01:57:51.840 --> 01:57:53.439
to write that right now, and I feel like the

1929
01:57:53.560 --> 01:57:55.119
lyrics are all figured out.

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01:57:55.960 --> 01:57:58.319
I got it and them together.

1931
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And you know, we never did our all singing episode either,

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so we gotta we gotta do a singing episode.

1933
01:58:07.279 --> 01:58:10.359
You know what, Jim, You know that I am game,

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so you make it happen and I will be there.

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With the sound of triples.

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But why are we saying?

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All right?

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Guys? Well, I mean excellent hosts. Uncle Jo saying everybody,

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please remember Star Trek fans are the best fans. You

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better remember that. Please be good to each other and

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stay stay Hailing frequencies are closed. Good night, everybody, long

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and prosper else then see watched on that.

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Hello, you have reached the que continuum. We are unable

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to get to the phone right now because we are

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busy living in a plane of existence. Your feeble mortal

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minds cannot possibly comprehend. Furthermore, it's pointless to leave a message,

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because we, of course already knew that you would call,

1948
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and we simply do not care.

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Have a nice day,