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Sept. 10, 2026

Episode 698- Soap Opera Tropes in Star Trek

Episode 698- Soap Opera Tropes in Star Trek
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In this episode of Trek Talking and Beyond, Uncle Jim and the hosts celebrate the 60th anniversary of Star Trek while discussing the latest episode of Strange New Worlds, " Like Chronotions Through the Hourglass". They delve into character connections, fan reactions, and personal reviews, particularly focusing on the return of Sybok and the episode's soap opera elements. The conversation highlights the emotional depth of the characters and the mixed responses from fans, culminating in speculations about future episodes. In this episode, the hosts reflect on their mixed feelings about the episode, discussing character portrayals, writing quality, and the overall direction of the series. They express disappointment in the gimmicky nature of recent episodes and share their hopes for future storylines. The conversation highlights the importance of maintaining the essence of Star Trek while exploring new themes and character developments.
Takeaways:
It's been a great week for Star Trek fans with the anniversary.
The episode featured significant character connections and references.
Sybok's return sparked excitement and nostalgia among fans.
The soap opera elements were both appreciated and criticized.
Fan reactions varied widely, reflecting diverse opinions on the episode.
The emotional depth of the characters was a focal point of discussion.
The hosts shared personal ratings and insights on the episode.
There was a humorous take on the soap opera tropes used in the episode.
Speculations about Sybok's future appearances were discussed.
The episode's exploration of loss and emotional complexity resonated with many.
The episode had clever sound effects that were enjoyable.
The hosts rated the episode a five, but Eric's musical a seven.
Character uniforms sparked interesting discussions about their meanings.
The writing quality of the season has been inconsistent.
Fans are looking for Star Trek to maintain its identity.
Gimmick episodes have led to fatigue among viewers.
There is hope for a more serious finale in the upcoming episodes.
The portrayal of characters has been a point of contention.
The hosts expressed a desire for better writing in future episodes.
Fan reactions vary, with some enjoying the different themes.

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Well, good evening, Trekkies and Trekkers around the globe. Welcome

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to another episode of Trek Talkin' and Beyond. This is

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episode 698. It's Wednesday, September 9th, 2026. This is a

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make-up show, a catch-up show, actually. This is going to

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be a shortened show of our usual broadcast, but tomorrow

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night's show will be the normal one.

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So sit back, relax, and have some fun. Fun.

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Okay, before we go too far, I'd like to go

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around and introduce my wonderful truck experts.

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We'll start off with Eric. Eric is out in Portland.

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How are you doing tonight, Eric?

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I am doing really good.

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As you can see, I'm actually in.

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Captain Pike's quarters here.

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He just finished making me a really sweet meal, and

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my belly is full.

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And I'm a happy man.

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So, yeah, feeling good about the podcast, ready to talk

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about this episode.

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Excellent. We also have with us Paul. He's the toy guy.

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He's also out in Portland. How are you doing, Paul?

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I'm doing good, Uncle Jim. It's been a heck of

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a good week to be a Star Trek fan. It's

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been really delightful, this 60th anniversary week. There's a lot

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of love for Star Trek coming back on social media,

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which is great. And it's pretty amazing to be able

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to see Star Trek episodes and features in the theater again.

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So it's been pretty darn exciting.

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And also from Portland, we have our very own miracle worker, David.

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How are you doing tonight, David?

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Pretty good, pretty good.

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I got lots of snacks and, you know, I'm really

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excited to.

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Talk about this episode.

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Excellent. Did you bring enough for everybody?

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I think so.

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And also from one great. And from Las Vegas, we

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have Charles with us tonight.

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How are you doing, Charles? I'm doing good.

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I agree with Paul.

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I got a chance to see one of the movies

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and shows on the big screen and had a ball

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with it.

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I was disappointed because I couldn't partake in the 60th

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anniversary because people here just, I don't know, aren't into

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Star Trek.

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I haven't figured it out. So I missed out on

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all of it. So I don't know. And last but

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not least, from Virginia, we have a very own bee.

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How you doing tonight, bee?

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Doing all right. I have not been able to see

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any of the movies in the theaters because, well, I just,

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it's been crazy at work. I haven't looked to see

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if they were around. I don't know. I really wanted

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to get that $ 80 enterprise popcorn holder. Just, you know,

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why not? So, but glad to be here.

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That did look pretty cool. That looked pretty cool. Tonight,

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we're going to be talking about.

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Strange New World, Episode 4, I mean, Season 4, Episode 7,

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like chronitons through the hourglass. So without any further ado,

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we're going to have Charles jump right into it.

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Okay, let me just quickly load up my notes. Okay,

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cadet training, which is how I kind of tie in

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different episodes to the episode we just saw. And tie

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in a couple of characters. Let's go TOS Season 1,

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The Squire of Gatos. And Strange New World, Wedding Bell Blues,

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Season 3. This is the two times we've seen T'Lain.

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And then, of course, Star Trek V and Strange New Worlds,

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The Serene Squall is where we saw Cybok.

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Cybok.

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Of course, this one thing caught to me. It kind

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of reminds me a little bit of the everyday daytime

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soap operas from 60s, 70s, 80s. Of course, I looked

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up famous Star Trek Amnesia episodes. We got the original series,

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The Paradise Syndrome, Next Generation, Thine Own Self, Enterprise Twilight,

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and Strange New Worlds Among the Lotus Eaters. Of course,

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a little bit reminds me of TNG's Cupid from season

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four with Q's Robin Hood fantasy. And then, of course,

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there's one I will talk about later in mine, Strange

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New Worlds, New Life and New Civilization season three. I'll

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get a chance. That's where we got to see Ju... Juliet,

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and I'll talk more about her in my review. I

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can pass this over to Paul. I think he wants

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to talk.

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About what happened. Wait a minute, wait a minute. I've

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just been handed some breaking news, friends. I've just been

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handed a special bulletin from Eric over on the Trek

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Talking and Beyond behind-the-scenes desk. Eric, Eric, are you there, sir?

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What did you learn?

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Yes, Paul, I'm here, and as you know, On August 31st,

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the episode trailer for Light Chronitons Through the Hourglass circulated

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around the internet, and in a stunning display of serendipity,

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seemed to feature Jim's holy grail character from Star Trek V, Cybok.

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And for four beautiful days until the episode aired, it

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was as if Jim's dreams really did come true.

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Ha ha!

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When you wish on shakari Then wait for eternity Eventually your.

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Dreams you see.

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Will come to you First you must give up your game.

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Then tattle all again and.

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Again Trying to make them understand Your game's.

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Came into play.

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Wow, that was the best thing ever.

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So, Jim, that one was for you in those four

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beautiful days where you were really like a young kid again.

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It was really fun to watch.

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Oh, my God.

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That was the best. The drive-in theater marquee.

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Was the best.

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We're sorry.

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We only have drive-in theater.

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Eric had me add that in at the last minute.

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He was like, I got a very funny picture.

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That was hysterical.

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Oh, my God.

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Yeah, so thanks to David, who helped me put the

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slideshow together. Obviously, I did the song and whatnot.

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That was fantastic.

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David is the man.

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It's like, man, Cypok has gone to hell since he was...

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He looks like shit.

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So anyway, I will now pass the microphone back over

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to Paul, who will tell us what happened in this episode.

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Wow. Well, if I knew what happened in this episode,

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I feel like I could get.

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The no-go prize.

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I don't know what the hell happened in this episode

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at all. We begin rather dramatically in sickbay with a

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very confused and bandaged Captain Pike having awakened, supposedly having

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some kind of cosmic amnesia. as Dr. Mabenga explains it,

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because he's been in a shuttle accident and he's been

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unconscious for two weeks. And right next door to him

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is Commander Spock, who was also in an accident with

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the same shuttle. And it is revealed by Chappell et al.

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that the only thing that could save Spock because of

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his terrible injuries is a living heart transplant. A wonderful miracle. Medical, very,

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apparently very futuristic Dr. Mbenga technique that only the most

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shaky handed of surgeons can perform. So that means that

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Laan is flying off to find the only viable solution.

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candidate who, of course, could possibly be able to give

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that living heart transplant. His brother, Saibach. Yes, friends, it's true.

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That would be the only person who could do it.

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So she has to break him out of a prison

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where apparently all the prisoners are held without shirts on.

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That's what I took them in. Apparently there is no

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prison bar. Anyhow, things get even more surprisingly dramatic when

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Lieutenant Revorah tells Pike that she learned she is actually

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his daughter.

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Yes.

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And though we've never seen this person in three years,

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apparently there is a ship's counselor on there. to weigh

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in and help with these types of situations. Dr. Chivers,

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but she's no help at all, because all she wants

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to do is talk to Pike about his repressed feelings.

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And it's sort of a glorified cameo from actress Deidre Hall,

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who for decades played Marlena Evans on Days of Our Lives, supposedly.

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So she's really trying to go for the whole soap

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opera thing on here. Pike rejects all of this and, uh,

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keeps kind of commenting on the fact that there's all

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this weird music and people keep looking off the distance.

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And of course there's a lot of sudden camera zooms

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in when people are revealing important information. So it's almost

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like you're in William Shatner's head. There's so much melodrama

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happened happening in this episode.

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Right.

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But it's not a musical. It's not another simulation. What

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it is is, uh, it's that wacky wedding bell blues

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iteration of, uh, Trelane slash Q, whatever you want to

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call it.

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Right.

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Uh, played by Reese Darby, who's running this kind of

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reality bending experiment as part of his dissertation on humanity,

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like from a TV control room right there. And there's

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apparently a Q Proctor wearing a lady's version of the

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judge's robes that we saw in Q-Ware so many times

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on Next Gen. And then in kind of a bit

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of a shift towards the very end of this stuff,

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beneath all the campy daytime TV soap opera presentation, the

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story is trying to use Pike's mourning for this, you know,

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non-existent family life and non-existent daughter that he had during

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his whole Battelle thing last year to explore how people

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process profound loss and, Futures that never really happened. So

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that's the best I could do to sum up all

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this crazy stuff. And yeah, well, you know, but I'll

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have an opinion later because, you know, God knows I

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always do. But let's hear what our wonderful fans had

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to say about this. Right. I think Eric has been

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channeling them.

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Yeah, I always like to channel the fans. Both their

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love and their hate flow through me into the microphone,

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out into the internet.

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So here we go.

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Ronald Paul Woods, one of our top fans, said, The

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episode worked because of Trelane. I would give it a 6.5.

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Was Pike's daughter and the life he experienced with Winona Earp, sorry,

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she will always be Winona, real from another reality? Or

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was it all just an illusion?

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Thanks, Ronald.

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Dorothy Harris gave it a 10 because Star Trek is

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meant to inspire.

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It did.

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Maybe someone will seek out a friend or someone to

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talk to if they need it. Secondly, Star Trek is

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meant to entertain.

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They did.

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Q's abilities, you never know what it leads to. Thirdly,

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they are meant to make you question and feel the unknown. Like,

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was Juliet real? And what happens to her when she's gone? Fourth,

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they had Cybok. That was interesting and how it was

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part of Spock coming out. So that concluded the relationship

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he had with La'an. Another great episode, if you are

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a true fan and could understand.

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Thanks, Dorothy.

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Clive McThorg said, Creepy AF cyborg.

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Poor script.

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Reflecting the genre, it's a pastiche of, I guess. I

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loathe daytime TV. I'm not a fan of Q episodes generally.

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I'm in the UK, so I haven't seen Days of

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Our Lives, so no nostalgia for me. The two, which

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is what he gave it, because I thought the blurred

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screen and bright, colorful lighting effects.

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We're clever. There you go.

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Ashley Kell said, too much gimmick for a short season.

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I would rate it a three. David Hegney Jr.

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Said, I'm going with a seven.

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Not the greatest episode in the world, but they nailed

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the genre quite effectively. Nice character development, too. Kimba Thom

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said nine. I said what I said.

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I don't think he said anything. He said nine.

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What do you mean by that, Kimba?

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Say something. I love that.

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That's a lot of confidence, Kimba.

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Thank you.

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Fliss Lawrence, perhaps a distant cousin of mine, gave it

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a 10. This is Star Trek at its best, seeking

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out strange new worlds, not in 3D space, but in

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the characters' emotional lives and using a familiar genre as

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a playful lens.

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Thanks, Fliss.

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Asenior Lucy said, 10, so funny. I love this season.

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We need humor and laughter in the current world. Frank

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Bono said, I give it a seven as in 70%

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AC grade because I do not see it as something.

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That would be a D or F.

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Okay.

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So it wasn't terrible.

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The biggest issue for me was the soap opera acting

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aspect was difficult to watch. I know the acting was intentional,

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but still it wore on me. Yes, it was humorous

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to see Pike react to the change, but that was

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about it. Great casting of Deidre Hall. The reveal climax

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of the episode made the entire episode worth watching and

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I often thought about this other life Pike experienced as

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well as Picard's similar situation and how both enriching and devastating.

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It must be.

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It was a true loss and wonderful to see the

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episodes address it. And finally, Angela Rotaro gave it a five.

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It's way better than the Casablanca ripoff.

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Thanks, Angela.

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And that gives us a combined fan score this week

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of six. So kind of middle of the road for

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this season, I guess.

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All right.

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There you have it. The fans have spoken. And I

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think Uncle Jim is going to speak first.

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Shocker. Okay. So, let's get our Cybok references out. What

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do you say?

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Let's do it.

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Okay, so here we go. You knew it was coming,

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didn't you? So, Cybok, what can I say? I'm speechless.

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I have been waiting patiently for years for this episode.

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And what did they give me?

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Yeah, nothing.

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So there was a scene, though. There was a scene

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with La'an and Spock in the shuttlecraft where Spockbottom, says

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to laan everyone hides a secret pain share your pain

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with me and gain strength from the sharing i loved

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it and why did i love that that particular line

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eric why did i love that line so much.

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Uh because it's from your favorite movie of all time.

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Jim that's right it's from star trek 5 the final

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frontier this is exactly what cybox says to check off

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to get him to change course to go to shakari um.

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Other than that, the end.

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The end where Pike actually sees his daughter, his imaginary

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daughter from last season with Marie.

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That was awesome. That made the whole episode for me.

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Oh!

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So yeah, that's all I liked about this episode.

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I was going to give it a 2 because I

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absolutely couldn't stand it at all. This is one of

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those problems I talked about when we talked about the

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black and white episode there. You know, when Star Trek

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turns into Weird Al, you're going to parody something.

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It's got to be something popular.

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And when you parody something that isn't, like in this

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case soap operas, I'm sorry, but I just, you know, Didn't.

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Get into it at all.

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And the ending, someone explain the ending to me. So

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now Uhura thinks it's like a Star Wars thing. Oh,

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you're my father. So now Uhura thinks that Pike is

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her real father. Is this what I gained out of this?

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And Mbenga thinks he's got some space dimension madness. I

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didn't understand that ending when they're all sitting around talking

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about their feelings from this imaginary episode. Am I not

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a real fan and didn't understand that one of our.

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Well, I think, Jim, I think the fundamental argument that

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one of our listeners there was making in the fan

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reviews was that much like the inner light, where Picard

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experiences an entire lifetime and as a.

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Result is affected, right?

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For him, despite the fact that it wasn't real per

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se for anyone else, it still was real for him

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and it still affected his life.

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And I think the, this episode meant to, to do.

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The same thing where, you know, it's like Pike's experience

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with the daughter and everything wasn't real, but that doesn't

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mean that it didn't touch something deep within him, you know, that,

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that needed to be explored in some way.

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Well, Did you guys not think that Ethan Peck made,

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a super sexy Latino cyborg?

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Oh, heck yeah.

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He couldn't have been steamy in this episode.

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I mean, did you not see leather pants and the

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nice hairy chest? Oh, yeah. The chest.

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I was so excited when she pulled off the headpiece

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and it was Ethan Peck playing Cybok. I thought we

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are in for a treat. This is going to be good.

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I was just, in fact, I'm going to tell you guys,

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I'm going to tell you something. I stayed up to

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watch this episode as soon as I could, because I

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couldn't wait to see it.

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I was like a kid at Christmas.

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And so I watched it immediately and yeah, that's all

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I can say.

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So, um, Yeah, it is. I can't think of any.

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I was going to give it a two.

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I'm going to bump it up to a four, simply

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because of the Star Trek V references and the Pike

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and his daughter thing. I don't know who Deidre Hall is,

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so I can't comment on that. I don't watch Days

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of Our Lives or Sans Through the Hourglass, so I

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can't comment on that.

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Trelane, you know, and this Q eating popcorn deal.

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Yeah, you know, whatever. But yeah, I'm going to give

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it a 4. Unfortunately, I was ready to give it

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a 10 just because Cybok was in it. But no, no, no.

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I'm going to go with a 4. I'm sorry, guys.

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That's the best I can do.

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So, yeah. Dee, you want to jump in?

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Sure.

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Well, I happen to like it because having been a

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fan of Days of Our Lives way back when, this

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just hits every single... soap opera you know moment or

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experience or trope or whatever you want to call it

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with looking off into the distance because you're contemplating whatever

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you know having some you know life threatening illness or

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injury or something and you know they find your twin

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who's the only one that can save you and you

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know we did the test and he's your father, you know,

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all that. It just was, it hit every single soap

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opera story because I watched not only Days of Our Lives,

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but General Hospital too. But, so I really appreciated that

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and Deidre Hall. Did anybody ever, did anybody else notice

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that they had the TOS sound effect, the brrng, you know,

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whenever Trillane or Q or whoever made something happen, when

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Pike was walking back, he was trying to leave because

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he didn't want to have that counseling session. And he

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walked right back into the same scene. So that was funny. But,

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you know, with all the Star Trek episodes and everything,

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I was thinking about how several times over the years,

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if you've ever had a dream that was so vivid

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and you woke up and you're thinking, did I dream

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this or is this real? And it just sticks with

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you for a while. So that's how I was able

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to relate it. And then there was something that Dr.

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What's-Her-Face was saying about how, because I guess Pike hasn't, uh, obviously,

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you know, the whole thing was his daughter. He hasn't

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properly mourned the loss of Marie, but she said, um,

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you're not just mourning the loss of that person, but

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you're mourning the loss of the future that you would

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have had with them. So that, that really got me. Um,

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but on the flip side, uh, yeah. Sexy Cybok. Oh,

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heck yeah. Ethan Peck and those tight leather pants and

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the long hair and the, chest and all that, that was, um, um,

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cause every, uh, soap opera has, has, uh, a sexy

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villain like that. Um, but at the very end, when he,

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he goes back to, uh, talk with a counselor, I

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don't know. It just, it really took me off guard

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when Pike just started crying. You know, he just was,

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you know, at, for a moment there, he, his, his,

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emotions were just laid bare. And so that sort of

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gutted me, but I enjoy, you know, being a days

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of our lives soap opera fan. I enjoyed it for

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what it was. I will give it. I think because they,

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like I said, they nailed all the soap opera aspects.

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I think I'll give it an eight.

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Sure. Why not?

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So that is my, that is my review.

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Okay, we got a four for me and eight for V.

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How about you, Eric?

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Yeah, so V, it's funny to hear you name those

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two titles because I grew up in the 80s watching

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both General Hospital and Days of Our Lives with my

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mom on weekday afternoons.

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When I came home from school.

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And, you know, I remember that like high drama, intense

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overacting in all of those shows. Like the sheer number

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of times that a single character can have amnesia or

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be married.

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To their brother or have.

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A secret terrible disease or, you know, it's like all

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these things, but what soap operas really do. And, you know,

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Jim said, they're not popular. They actually are incredibly popular,

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just not obviously with your demographic, Jim. And, and, but

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there are like a billion people that watch these things,

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probably not that many, but a ton of people who

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watch these things. And I think they do it as

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a kind of like way to explore their own like emotions.

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They see other people going through things and while it's

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overacted and kind of overdone on the television, it evokes

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these things within them that kind of like speak to them.

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So I think that's why so many people do like

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soap operas and that genre that, uh, you know, one

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of our reviewers, uh, said that they didn't care for either,

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which makes a lot of sense. You know, it's not,

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it's not for everybody. That's, that's very clear. Um, but, uh,

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What I will say is that I thought this episode

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did a great job of using that exploration of character

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insides up against this backdrop of soap opera. Whereas so

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many other episodes I think this season have used the...

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We're all sick of the kind of trope of the week, right?

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But what this one did that I think some of

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the other ones haven't done was use the actual things

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that occur within the trope to really effectively... do the

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same things that happen within the trope, which is explore

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all of these character issues. Was it ridiculous that the

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crew of the Enterprise were behaving like soap opera characters?

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Absolutely.

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No question. But right from the beginning, if you're just.

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Kind of like, okay, my biggest concern at the beginning was,

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I swear to God, if it was going to all

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be a dream, I was going to flip the table.

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I have no tolerance for any more of that.

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Well, that would have improved it, actually.

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Well, I mean, not for me, because I actually like

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Reece Darby's Trelane. You know, I know he's not for everybody.

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I know not everybody liked the wedding episode that we

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saw last season where he was introduced.

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But I like him.

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I think he's got the right kind of feel. I

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think he's whimsical, which a Trelane slash Q is supposed

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to be. In this episode, he clearly behaves like a

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child because he's doing this thing for a school project.

471
00:27:46.500 --> 00:27:48.880
So I actually really liked his character. If I had

472
00:27:48.920 --> 00:27:52.859
a criticism of this one, it would be that it's

473
00:27:52.900 --> 00:27:55.930
very much like Cupid. That episode, which I was kind

474
00:27:55.970 --> 00:28:02.609
of surprised actually didn't come up in Charles's cadet training because.

475
00:28:02.730 --> 00:28:03.210
It did.

476
00:28:04.869 --> 00:28:07.369
It was in there. I had it in there. Oh, okay.

477
00:28:08.069 --> 00:28:09.490
I must have blanked out for a second.

478
00:28:09.509 --> 00:28:10.119
Sorry about that.

479
00:28:10.150 --> 00:28:10.279
So.

480
00:28:10.829 --> 00:28:13.150
So, yeah, I mean, so for this one, like in

481
00:28:13.170 --> 00:28:16.730
that one, Picard does the thing, or excuse me, Q

482
00:28:16.759 --> 00:28:19.099
does the thing so that Picard can kind of like

483
00:28:19.980 --> 00:28:22.279
confront his feelings about Vosh, right? And there's the whole

484
00:28:22.319 --> 00:28:25.119
Robin Hood thing and all of that stuff. So, so

485
00:28:25.240 --> 00:28:28.029
it kind of followed the same plot as that a

486
00:28:28.049 --> 00:28:33.309
little bit, but whatever. When Mbenga had, as soon as

487
00:28:33.410 --> 00:28:36.059
Mbenga's hand was shaking, and they zoomed in on him,

488
00:28:36.079 --> 00:28:38.039
I leaned over to my wife and I said, he's

489
00:28:38.059 --> 00:28:39.099
going to have space madness.

490
00:28:39.480 --> 00:28:41.180
And then he said, space madness.

491
00:28:41.299 --> 00:28:43.160
And I was like, yes.

492
00:28:43.980 --> 00:28:48.940
But similarly, Uncle Jim, when they revealed the evil twin,

493
00:28:49.039 --> 00:28:53.609
which is another soap opera trope, the first thing I

494
00:28:53.769 --> 00:28:55.910
leaned over and told my wife was, oh, that's really

495
00:28:55.930 --> 00:28:56.150
going to.

496
00:28:56.130 --> 00:28:58.750
Piss off Jim.

497
00:28:59.329 --> 00:29:03.069
I absolutely recognized that that was not the cyborg. you

498
00:29:03.109 --> 00:29:03.789
were looking for.

499
00:29:03.809 --> 00:29:07.279
Um, sorry about that.

500
00:29:07.319 --> 00:29:08.359
Yeah.

501
00:29:09.579 --> 00:29:12.539
Um, but yeah, uh, you know, a relative amount of

502
00:29:12.619 --> 00:29:14.940
like emotional complexity in this one.

503
00:29:14.960 --> 00:29:17.779
Um, I thought it was funny. I was giggling, but

504
00:29:17.819 --> 00:29:20.650
I get the tropes too. So, you know, it, it.

505
00:29:21.490 --> 00:29:25.210
Maybe was, uh, maybe that's what I wrote on was the,

506
00:29:25.309 --> 00:29:27.150
you know, just the fact that it had these tropes

507
00:29:27.190 --> 00:29:29.430
that I was familiar with and that, uh, and that

508
00:29:29.490 --> 00:29:31.369
I liked. But I do think that it was a

509
00:29:31.390 --> 00:29:33.980
quality episode, a lot higher quality than some of the

510
00:29:34.019 --> 00:29:36.240
other ones that we've had this season.

511
00:29:36.839 --> 00:29:39.299
So I think I'm going to give this a.

512
00:29:40.960 --> 00:29:42.240
Give this a fearless seven.

513
00:29:42.259 --> 00:29:47.789
So we've got a four, an eight, a seven. David,

514
00:29:47.829 --> 00:29:48.369
how about you?

515
00:29:50.349 --> 00:29:55.930
Yeah, there's a lot about this episode that I didn't like.

516
00:29:56.509 --> 00:30:00.960
I'm not really a soap opera fan at all. I

517
00:30:01.000 --> 00:30:03.700
tried watching them and they just tasted really bad in

518
00:30:03.720 --> 00:30:07.980
my mouth. So, you know, no pun intended. But anyways,

519
00:30:10.539 --> 00:30:12.380
there were a couple of funny parts in here that

520
00:30:12.480 --> 00:30:16.779
I did actually laugh at, especially when Pike was looking

521
00:30:16.819 --> 00:30:18.440
around trying to figure out what was going on because

522
00:30:18.480 --> 00:30:20.789
he felt something was off. He's like, oh no, it's

523
00:30:20.809 --> 00:30:25.609
just another musical. Yeah, that was funny. The idea that,

524
00:30:25.690 --> 00:30:29.559
you know, they're using past episodes to bring them forward

525
00:30:29.680 --> 00:30:32.500
of what they had experienced into this episode, which is

526
00:30:32.539 --> 00:30:39.750
actually kind of fun. I got the whole Cyborg thing

527
00:30:39.990 --> 00:30:43.549
with Ethan Peck playing him as somewhat of a twin.

528
00:30:43.690 --> 00:30:47.170
I get the trope, and I get all the close-up stuff,

529
00:30:47.250 --> 00:30:50.450
and it's just the way that they filmed it, like

530
00:30:50.490 --> 00:30:56.059
soap operas. But to me... I actually think Cyborg will

531
00:30:56.099 --> 00:30:58.809
make a comeback. And now since they established that Spock

532
00:30:59.369 --> 00:31:03.670
or Ethan Peck is playing both parts, they might actually

533
00:31:04.190 --> 00:31:08.230
bring in a one episode story arc with Ethan Peck

534
00:31:08.309 --> 00:31:11.730
playing Cyborg for a real serious episode. I could see

535
00:31:11.769 --> 00:31:12.730
that happening.

536
00:31:12.990 --> 00:31:13.829
But hold on, David.

537
00:31:13.910 --> 00:31:18.299
So wonderful idea, except that in this episode, Ethan Peck

538
00:31:19.019 --> 00:31:22.380
or sorry, Spock says, you know, actually, my brother's not

539
00:31:22.420 --> 00:31:22.720
a twin.

540
00:31:23.369 --> 00:31:26.170
And, you know, Cybok is significantly older than.

541
00:31:27.970 --> 00:31:28.269
Spock.

542
00:31:28.309 --> 00:31:29.210
I'm not sure.

543
00:31:29.529 --> 00:31:32.329
Jim, you probably know how much older. Isn't it, like,

544
00:31:33.170 --> 00:31:36.519
more than 20 years older than Spock?

545
00:31:36.539 --> 00:31:38.220
He's quite a bit older, yeah.

546
00:31:38.359 --> 00:31:39.519
Yeah.

547
00:31:39.819 --> 00:31:43.259
That's not much of a difference.

548
00:31:43.400 --> 00:31:45.079
No. Yeah.

549
00:31:46.440 --> 00:31:49.089
I mean, they could just bring him in just to

550
00:31:49.130 --> 00:31:51.049
play if they haven't found anybody else. But, I mean,

551
00:31:51.589 --> 00:31:54.769
My question is, when we first saw Sidebar from the back,

552
00:31:54.809 --> 00:31:57.549
was it played by Ethan Peck? Nobody knows, really.

553
00:31:57.990 --> 00:32:00.130
Right? I don't know. Nobody knows.

554
00:32:00.650 --> 00:32:04.950
Yeah, so just the idea that if they did bring him,

555
00:32:04.970 --> 00:32:08.289
because they've already established that maybe this was like a

556
00:32:08.430 --> 00:32:10.769
test episode to see how many people would love to

557
00:32:10.789 --> 00:32:14.009
see Ethan Peck play his brother or something.

558
00:32:14.029 --> 00:32:14.309
I don't know.

559
00:32:15.799 --> 00:32:16.920
Well, you know what, David?

560
00:32:17.420 --> 00:32:19.480
Maybe the next series is going to be a Star

561
00:32:19.519 --> 00:32:22.220
Trek V remake, and they're going to have, you know,

562
00:32:22.460 --> 00:32:26.150
Paul Wesley play Kirk, and Ethan Peck play Cyborg, and

563
00:32:26.170 --> 00:32:28.410
they're going to, you know, give us a Star Trek

564
00:32:28.750 --> 00:32:29.190
V remake.

565
00:32:29.230 --> 00:32:30.430
That would be awesome.

566
00:32:31.390 --> 00:32:31.730
Yeah.

567
00:32:32.849 --> 00:32:35.670
I'm just throwing it, you know, out of there to

568
00:32:35.690 --> 00:32:36.369
see what happens.

569
00:32:38.329 --> 00:32:41.250
You had to know that with Cyborg in this one,

570
00:32:41.670 --> 00:32:43.910
we were going to be talking about the best movie.

571
00:32:43.930 --> 00:32:44.769
You had to know that.

572
00:32:47.859 --> 00:32:51.690
Yeah, so there were a couple other funny parts in

573
00:32:51.730 --> 00:32:58.970
here that I enjoyed where a lot of the sound effects,

574
00:32:59.029 --> 00:33:03.390
like V was mentioning the original sound, I actually enjoyed that,

575
00:33:03.630 --> 00:33:08.539
and I thought that was pretty clever. As far as

576
00:33:09.319 --> 00:33:12.799
the heart transplant, I just, I don't know, this whole

577
00:33:13.180 --> 00:33:16.529
episode just seems a little... weird it was just so

578
00:33:16.549 --> 00:33:19.589
it was a project of a queue and I actually

579
00:33:19.630 --> 00:33:25.569
enjoyed some of the um some of the uh things

580
00:33:25.589 --> 00:33:28.230
that he would say like you know now we'll hear

581
00:33:28.279 --> 00:33:31.259
from our sponsors yeah you know and he snapped his

582
00:33:31.299 --> 00:33:33.500
finger and went straight to a commercial it was just

583
00:33:33.519 --> 00:33:37.599
like okay uh but other than that it was just

584
00:33:37.980 --> 00:33:41.900
uh I don't know I didn't really enjoy it as

585
00:33:41.980 --> 00:33:44.990
much as I thought I would but uh I don't

586
00:33:45.019 --> 00:33:49.200
know what else is there. Okay.

587
00:33:49.759 --> 00:33:50.440
Not much left.

588
00:33:50.799 --> 00:33:51.339
All right.

589
00:33:51.480 --> 00:33:53.319
Well, I guess I'll pass it off to someone else

590
00:33:53.359 --> 00:33:57.599
and I'll just give this episode. I'm going to have

591
00:33:57.619 --> 00:34:00.099
to give it a five, but I'm going to have

592
00:34:00.140 --> 00:34:04.130
to give Eric's musical a seven.

593
00:34:05.369 --> 00:34:05.569
So.

594
00:34:05.710 --> 00:34:06.529
All right.

595
00:34:08.889 --> 00:34:15.840
So there we go, Charles. You're up next, buddy. Okay.

596
00:34:16.179 --> 00:34:18.179
Share your pain with us. Oops.

597
00:34:19.679 --> 00:34:20.380
Okay.

598
00:34:20.679 --> 00:34:21.099
Yeah.

599
00:34:23.760 --> 00:34:25.960
Share my pain of logging into my pad.

600
00:34:27.260 --> 00:34:27.929
Okay.

601
00:34:27.949 --> 00:34:33.309
A few things. One of my questions was in there,

602
00:34:33.349 --> 00:34:36.530
why did Ethan Peck play Cyborg? But you guys did

603
00:34:36.570 --> 00:34:44.420
explain that's part of the soap opera trope. For Eric, yes,

604
00:34:44.480 --> 00:34:48.679
I did mention Cupid season four. I said Q's Robin

605
00:34:48.719 --> 00:34:53.550
Hood fantasy. So, yeah, I did see a little bit

606
00:34:53.840 --> 00:35:02.349
of Q's theme in this one. One of the things

607
00:35:02.449 --> 00:35:07.849
I had a question about was the doctor. It's interesting

608
00:35:07.889 --> 00:35:08.449
that she's... Okay.

609
00:35:08.869 --> 00:35:09.070
Uh....

610
00:35:13.670 --> 00:35:20.760
All science is in blue and medicals in white. Why

611
00:35:20.860 --> 00:35:26.480
is the counselor in teal? And this is the only

612
00:35:26.539 --> 00:35:32.510
character I've seen onboard ship with a regular uniform that

613
00:35:32.550 --> 00:35:36.829
had a full jacket on. Kind of reminded me of

614
00:35:37.010 --> 00:35:42.820
Beverly Crush, not Beverly, yeah. Not, well, Crusher slash Deanna.

615
00:35:43.929 --> 00:35:46.590
Sort of the costume they wore. Sort of a jacket

616
00:35:46.610 --> 00:35:49.309
like Deanna wore, which I don't see anybody in medical

617
00:35:49.329 --> 00:35:54.869
wearing that color or that style. It's interesting how all

618
00:35:54.889 --> 00:35:59.389
of a sudden the counselor is an entirely different color uniform.

619
00:36:00.769 --> 00:36:04.550
I thought that was a bit confusing while that was

620
00:36:04.610 --> 00:36:05.190
going there.

621
00:36:06.969 --> 00:36:08.230
That's for Pike's daughter.

622
00:36:08.250 --> 00:36:08.929
I've always had.

623
00:36:10.510 --> 00:36:12.150
Sorry, I was just going to say, Charles, I've always

624
00:36:12.190 --> 00:36:16.570
had some headcanon on that, which is that the counselor

625
00:36:17.230 --> 00:36:21.289
is like in a more, almost a more intimate setting

626
00:36:21.329 --> 00:36:24.780
in some ways with their patient or with their, you know,

627
00:36:24.800 --> 00:36:27.679
the person that they're counseling than even a medical doctor is.

628
00:36:27.739 --> 00:36:30.579
And so I've always taken the casual dress to be

629
00:36:30.659 --> 00:36:33.559
kind of like a getting close to the person, you know,

630
00:36:35.219 --> 00:36:38.840
feeling different from what's on the rest of the ship. So,

631
00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:42.110
you know, getting them kind of out of that space

632
00:36:42.150 --> 00:36:44.659
that they are in and putting them in a different place.

633
00:36:44.820 --> 00:36:45.940
But that's just my own headcanon.

634
00:36:45.980 --> 00:36:46.340
I don't have.

635
00:36:46.280 --> 00:36:49.539
Anything to back that up.

636
00:36:49.619 --> 00:36:49.900
Right.

637
00:36:50.039 --> 00:36:53.909
I think we've only really seen one strong counselor in

638
00:36:53.949 --> 00:36:58.869
the series that I can think of. Now, when we

639
00:36:58.909 --> 00:37:03.969
got to Juliet, I kind of scratched my head saying, okay,

640
00:37:04.110 --> 00:37:08.289
I don't remember her. And so I wanted to go

641
00:37:08.409 --> 00:37:13.269
actually back and try to understand who she was. So

642
00:37:13.289 --> 00:37:17.329
we actually went back and watched The New Life and

643
00:37:17.369 --> 00:37:22.570
New Civilization Season 3, Episode 10. And watch it straight through.

644
00:37:23.889 --> 00:37:27.130
Had forgotten the fact of our medical person, which was

645
00:37:27.150 --> 00:37:29.289
supposed to come on at one point as a guest

646
00:37:29.349 --> 00:37:30.010
and never did.

647
00:37:30.030 --> 00:37:30.099
And.

648
00:37:35.230 --> 00:37:42.019
Him being possessed by that society. Well, Captain Battelle, who

649
00:37:42.039 --> 00:37:47.840
was very confused from what's happened to her, and to

650
00:37:47.880 --> 00:37:51.599
gain enough power to banish him, had to live a

651
00:37:51.679 --> 00:37:55.519
whole life. And so she actually went back and gave

652
00:37:55.659 --> 00:37:58.260
a whole, we actually got to see an inner light

653
00:37:58.380 --> 00:38:07.989
theme for her and Pike together. through the decades. And

654
00:38:08.050 --> 00:38:11.449
we got to see the daughter once when she came

655
00:38:11.570 --> 00:38:17.719
home and said to the Pikes, hey, we want to

656
00:38:17.739 --> 00:38:22.079
get married. And now we know the fact that, yes,

657
00:38:22.239 --> 00:38:24.940
we didn't see it, but there was a marriage ceremony

658
00:38:25.059 --> 00:38:30.699
in there and the years that they had there so

659
00:38:30.719 --> 00:38:34.510
that we knew the, so that the daughter could be

660
00:38:34.530 --> 00:38:37.409
brought back. And I thought that was an interesting reaction

661
00:38:37.429 --> 00:38:41.349
that when the daughter was being brought in and Terrain

662
00:38:41.389 --> 00:38:44.530
did not know about it. Terrain's like, where'd she come from?

663
00:38:46.190 --> 00:38:48.989
So I thought it interesting that Pike was able to

664
00:38:49.090 --> 00:38:56.099
throw in a confusion to Terrain, which would be like,

665
00:38:56.119 --> 00:38:57.699
but the cue was like, oh, I'm going to throw

666
00:38:57.760 --> 00:39:00.840
something in that Q's not going to expect. And it's like, oh,

667
00:39:01.920 --> 00:39:02.940
I didn't think about that.

668
00:39:04.489 --> 00:39:05.349
So I thought that.

669
00:39:05.289 --> 00:39:13.699
Definitely was an interesting addition to the story. Not to

670
00:39:13.719 --> 00:39:16.880
really probably add a whole lot more to it. I'm

671
00:39:16.900 --> 00:39:19.559
going to go with probably a six on this one.

672
00:39:20.380 --> 00:39:23.070
It was all right, but just wasn't the episode I

673
00:39:23.110 --> 00:39:23.840
was looking for.

674
00:39:26.449 --> 00:39:28.989
All right. So, Paul, that means you get to bring

675
00:39:29.010 --> 00:39:29.949
up the caboose, buddy.

676
00:39:31.139 --> 00:39:35.539
All right, my friend. Okay. Well, yeah, this was, uh, uh,

677
00:39:35.559 --> 00:39:37.880
you know, not my cup of tea, I guess is

678
00:39:37.900 --> 00:39:39.460
the nicest way to put it.

679
00:39:39.559 --> 00:39:39.800
Right.

680
00:39:40.539 --> 00:39:45.179
Um, you know, uh, Again, I think this whole phenomenon

681
00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:48.340
of gimmick of the week that we've been subjected to

682
00:39:48.480 --> 00:39:52.469
this year has just not been what I turned to

683
00:39:52.510 --> 00:39:55.769
Star Trek for. We're kind of going out of sequence

684
00:39:55.809 --> 00:39:58.449
with our reviews this week. I have a lot more

685
00:39:58.550 --> 00:40:01.909
positive things to say about the previous episode that we'll

686
00:40:01.929 --> 00:40:05.900
talk about tomorrow on there. But this was a huge

687
00:40:06.539 --> 00:40:09.719
failing for me. I feel really bad for Anson Mount

688
00:40:09.880 --> 00:40:12.610
because he's really trying his hardest in this. I mean,

689
00:40:12.630 --> 00:40:15.570
the guy is a really good actor. He was the

690
00:40:15.610 --> 00:40:18.170
most believable part of things at the beginning where he's

691
00:40:18.210 --> 00:40:20.699
just like being really skeptical and like, what the hell

692
00:40:20.719 --> 00:40:22.900
is going on here? And he's just he's played that

693
00:40:22.940 --> 00:40:26.340
really well, very convincingly. He had to go to a

694
00:40:26.360 --> 00:40:29.360
very emotional place for the end. So I really respect

695
00:40:29.409 --> 00:40:32.019
him as an actor. I just don't respect what he

696
00:40:32.039 --> 00:40:34.739
was given to work with, right? For Cocteau, it was

697
00:40:34.780 --> 00:40:37.769
all in your head nonsense. I think it was just ridiculous.

698
00:40:37.789 --> 00:40:40.429
So I know they want us to buy into that

699
00:40:40.449 --> 00:40:42.449
and it's meaningful and all this, but I just think

700
00:40:42.489 --> 00:40:47.320
it's really lazy and poorly done. So it's like, okay,

701
00:40:47.380 --> 00:40:51.320
everyone was making confessions earlier, right? About like, oh, things

702
00:40:51.340 --> 00:40:52.460
I recognized from before.

703
00:40:52.480 --> 00:40:52.960
Well, you know what?

704
00:40:53.039 --> 00:40:54.519
When I was young, I used to watch a lot

705
00:40:54.559 --> 00:40:58.090
of Gilligan's House. And I know the episodes of Gilligan's

706
00:40:58.150 --> 00:41:00.289
Island have a lot of like tropes and things in them.

707
00:41:00.349 --> 00:41:00.530
Right.

708
00:41:00.590 --> 00:41:02.429
And so if I were to see them again, I

709
00:41:02.469 --> 00:41:05.670
would recognize them. Right. Oh, that's just like when, you know,

710
00:41:06.070 --> 00:41:09.349
the howls are, you know, detached from the stakes that

711
00:41:09.389 --> 00:41:12.630
are actually going on. I don't want Gilligan's Island in

712
00:41:12.670 --> 00:41:15.530
my frickin Star Trek. OK, I don't. I want Star

713
00:41:15.570 --> 00:41:20.150
Trek to be Star Trek. And this rotating, you know,

714
00:41:20.449 --> 00:41:22.530
let's play and do a different kind of dress up

715
00:41:22.550 --> 00:41:26.590
game this week that has been. plaguing this episode, each

716
00:41:26.650 --> 00:41:29.349
episode with a couple of exceptions this year. It's just

717
00:41:29.389 --> 00:41:30.010
not my thing.

718
00:41:30.070 --> 00:41:30.289
Right.

719
00:41:30.349 --> 00:41:32.289
So, um, didn't enjoy it. I thought it was really

720
00:41:32.360 --> 00:41:35.340
poorly executed. Um, I mean, if you like this kind

721
00:41:35.380 --> 00:41:37.699
of thing, this is great. Awesome. Good for you.

722
00:41:37.800 --> 00:41:38.000
Right.

723
00:41:38.039 --> 00:41:43.000
I don't want to detach, detract from anyone's enjoyment, but it's,

724
00:41:43.179 --> 00:41:46.239
the show is becoming like a, like, you know, uh,

725
00:41:46.280 --> 00:41:48.409
a Saturday night live episode. I mean, it just, it

726
00:41:48.449 --> 00:41:51.769
just doesn't, uh, You know, you'll get like, what, 10

727
00:41:51.769 --> 00:41:54.550
episodes a season now, and I've found two of them

728
00:41:54.630 --> 00:41:58.110
to be watchable. So that's a pretty low batting average.

729
00:41:58.230 --> 00:42:02.389
So just not for me, right? So really looking forward

730
00:42:02.409 --> 00:42:07.469
to talking about 4.6 tomorrow instead. This episode gets a

731
00:42:07.570 --> 00:42:10.670
big old three from me, and I feel like I'm

732
00:42:10.710 --> 00:42:11.309
being generous.

733
00:42:13.329 --> 00:42:14.320
You know, I.

734
00:42:15.659 --> 00:42:18.050
I just wanted to say something to what you said, Paul.

735
00:42:18.590 --> 00:42:21.449
And I think that Star Trek needs to find an identity.

736
00:42:22.269 --> 00:42:25.090
And right now it doesn't have one right now. It's

737
00:42:25.150 --> 00:42:33.639
just copying other genres and not being itself. And I

738
00:42:33.659 --> 00:42:36.460
think Star Trek needs to start writing Star Trek episodes

739
00:42:36.500 --> 00:42:39.739
that are Star Trek episodes and not like, what are

740
00:42:39.760 --> 00:42:41.809
we going to see? Like what is next week going

741
00:42:41.829 --> 00:42:45.070
to be the Brady Bunch episode? Well, actually, we already

742
00:42:45.110 --> 00:42:46.670
know what next week is because we're going to talk

743
00:42:46.690 --> 00:42:47.349
about it tomorrow.

744
00:42:47.630 --> 00:42:50.809
But still, I mean, when does it end?

745
00:42:51.090 --> 00:42:54.389
When are they going to start giving us Star Trek

746
00:42:54.449 --> 00:42:57.489
that takes place in the Star Trek universe with Star

747
00:42:57.530 --> 00:43:02.010
Trek-related things that aren't lifted from another genre?

748
00:43:02.329 --> 00:43:05.239
That's what I want to see. You know, Star Trek

749
00:43:05.510 --> 00:43:06.510
being Star Trek.

750
00:43:07.659 --> 00:43:09.920
That's not going to happen with the writers they have

751
00:43:09.980 --> 00:43:12.360
right now unless they go back and get writers like

752
00:43:12.400 --> 00:43:12.780
Ronald D.

753
00:43:12.820 --> 00:43:13.099
Moore.

754
00:43:13.929 --> 00:43:16.570
Or, you know, like the kind of writers they had

755
00:43:16.630 --> 00:43:19.190
on Next Gen or old school science fiction writers who

756
00:43:19.230 --> 00:43:23.719
like written science fiction, right? I mean, you know, get, oh,

757
00:43:23.739 --> 00:43:27.599
what's that guy's name who wrote, he's a local guy,

758
00:43:27.639 --> 00:43:31.440
Jeff Vandermeer, right? Who wrote Annihilation. Really great local science

759
00:43:31.460 --> 00:43:34.130
fiction writer, lives in Portland. Get that guy to write

760
00:43:34.530 --> 00:43:36.670
a Star Trek episode. He'd do a phenomenal job. He

761
00:43:36.690 --> 00:43:40.070
understands character dynamics in a group, but they're not going

762
00:43:40.090 --> 00:43:41.519
to do it. They're going to hire these sort of,

763
00:43:41.530 --> 00:43:43.880
you know, you know, Look at some of the writers'

764
00:43:43.920 --> 00:43:46.920
credits on this show. Just pick a few of them

765
00:43:46.940 --> 00:43:48.960
and take a look at what they've done. It's not

766
00:43:48.980 --> 00:43:51.760
very impressive. And certainly none of them are published science

767
00:43:51.780 --> 00:43:54.030
fiction writers who know how to write a book. So yeah,

768
00:43:54.090 --> 00:43:56.269
until they get a different bunch of writers with a

769
00:43:56.610 --> 00:43:58.929
more focused point of view, expect more of the same.

770
00:43:59.610 --> 00:44:02.570
Well, I'm hoping that the end of season four for

771
00:44:04.309 --> 00:44:07.170
the finale is going to actually be serious and get

772
00:44:07.210 --> 00:44:08.050
back into Star Trek.

773
00:44:09.369 --> 00:44:11.010
Here's hoping, man. I hope you're right.

774
00:44:11.980 --> 00:44:13.699
I wanted to throw a couple of things out for

775
00:44:13.760 --> 00:44:19.400
Jim's questions. One, I think it was the fact that

776
00:44:19.460 --> 00:44:22.800
she believed it was her dad. She had that chance

777
00:44:23.070 --> 00:44:26.690
at that meal with Pike, and I think she was

778
00:44:26.730 --> 00:44:29.590
disappointed as not being the daughter, not being able to

779
00:44:29.710 --> 00:44:32.190
do that. And I think she just wanted to make

780
00:44:32.210 --> 00:44:37.309
a connection with Pike and do that as a coworker.

781
00:44:38.519 --> 00:44:40.900
I think she just liked the idea that Neil, and

782
00:44:40.940 --> 00:44:45.840
that's why she wanted to do it. Mbenga might have

783
00:44:45.880 --> 00:44:48.699
a little bit of issue, but also remember, Mbenga's on

784
00:44:48.739 --> 00:44:51.269
his way out. We only get to see him in

785
00:44:51.590 --> 00:44:54.570
one or two TOS episodes, so he's still got his

786
00:44:54.630 --> 00:44:59.909
egg that claws coming up. Because eventually, somewhere, we've got

787
00:44:59.929 --> 00:45:00.750
to see McCoy.

788
00:45:04.929 --> 00:45:05.969
Well, I don't want to.

789
00:45:08.610 --> 00:45:11.829
pee in anybody's cornflakes here, but the episode that's on

790
00:45:11.889 --> 00:45:16.309
tomorrow night is entitled Once Upon a La'an. So I

791
00:45:16.409 --> 00:45:21.030
don't have much, I'm not expecting much from that one.

792
00:45:21.050 --> 00:45:22.909
Where are we going to see a fairy tale with

793
00:45:23.010 --> 00:45:24.570
Rumpelstiltskin or something?

794
00:45:25.269 --> 00:45:25.690
Oh, man.

795
00:45:25.909 --> 00:45:32.449
Which they did have in DS9 with, I forgot what

796
00:45:32.489 --> 00:45:37.579
that was, where everybody saw came to life and so

797
00:45:38.179 --> 00:45:41.800
Molly O'Brien did have Rumpelstiltskin.

798
00:45:42.840 --> 00:45:47.090
Yeah so I think that Once Upon a Laan is

799
00:45:47.159 --> 00:45:50.070
actually two weeks from now Jim I think tomorrow is

800
00:45:50.119 --> 00:45:51.630
Orders of Magnitude.

801
00:45:53.710 --> 00:45:57.010
Oh you're right Orders of Magnitude is the one that's

802
00:45:57.050 --> 00:45:59.610
on which sounds like it might be a real episode

803
00:46:00.989 --> 00:46:04.150
like tomorrow Tomorrow on September 10th, yeah.

804
00:46:04.170 --> 00:46:06.050
So the fantasy one's the next week.

805
00:46:06.840 --> 00:46:10.179
So one thing I wanted to ask the group about is,

806
00:46:10.960 --> 00:46:14.440
you know, so we've known since, I don't know, the

807
00:46:14.480 --> 00:46:18.139
third episode or so that we were going to be

808
00:46:18.159 --> 00:46:21.969
getting these kind of gimmicky episodes. And, you know, while

809
00:46:22.010 --> 00:46:23.429
we didn't know that they were going to go the

810
00:46:23.469 --> 00:46:26.030
entire season, we sort of saw the writing on the

811
00:46:26.070 --> 00:46:30.590
wall a little bit. So for me, what I've tried

812
00:46:30.610 --> 00:46:33.510
to do is just kind of like, ride the wave

813
00:46:33.550 --> 00:46:35.739
a little bit and try and find the good in

814
00:46:36.820 --> 00:46:37.380
the gimmicks.

815
00:46:38.059 --> 00:46:41.059
I completely understand and agree.

816
00:46:41.199 --> 00:46:43.460
Actually, with what Paul's saying in terms of the quality

817
00:46:43.480 --> 00:46:47.900
of the overall writing. I do see things that they're

818
00:46:47.920 --> 00:46:52.400
trying to do with, you know, building backgrounds for some

819
00:46:52.420 --> 00:46:55.099
of these characters that we already know a lot about

820
00:46:55.139 --> 00:46:56.940
or ones that we don't know a lot about, like Pike,

821
00:46:57.000 --> 00:46:57.360
you know.

822
00:46:57.420 --> 00:46:58.980
I mean, for Pike, we only.

823
00:46:58.820 --> 00:46:59.460
Know the Cage character.

824
00:47:00.679 --> 00:47:03.980
Essentially, up until this point, unless you count the Kelvin

825
00:47:04.320 --> 00:47:09.780
timeline stuff. Do you think that the fact that we're

826
00:47:09.860 --> 00:47:13.030
in this gimmick loop right now, do you just kind

827
00:47:13.050 --> 00:47:16.050
of go into each episode expecting it to completely suck?

828
00:47:16.449 --> 00:47:17.329
And so do you think.

829
00:47:17.210 --> 00:47:19.469
That that at all colors the way that you see

830
00:47:19.510 --> 00:47:22.230
the episode, or is it just really like, no, they're

831
00:47:22.250 --> 00:47:24.489
just really that bad, and you look at each one objectively?

832
00:47:27.329 --> 00:47:28.389
I've gone through each.

833
00:47:28.409 --> 00:47:33.110
I can toss off a quick Go ahead, Paul. No,

834
00:47:33.130 --> 00:47:34.989
I was just going to say, I was just, I always,

835
00:47:35.170 --> 00:47:37.610
I don't root for anything to fail. I'm not always hopeful.

836
00:47:38.070 --> 00:47:38.250
Right.

837
00:47:38.309 --> 00:47:40.650
I like to be surprised and entertained and I would

838
00:47:40.690 --> 00:47:43.130
love to, I'd like to see people succeed.

839
00:47:43.269 --> 00:47:43.469
Right.

840
00:47:43.530 --> 00:47:45.929
I'm always hoping it's good. I'm hoping that I'm going

841
00:47:45.949 --> 00:47:48.550
to get an episode like what we had that we

842
00:47:48.590 --> 00:47:51.440
have yet to discuss like off hour. Right. Or the

843
00:47:51.940 --> 00:47:54.039
premiere of this season, which was really good.

844
00:47:54.119 --> 00:47:54.360
Right.

845
00:47:55.219 --> 00:47:56.159
Ballas Marineris.

846
00:47:56.199 --> 00:47:56.340
Right.

847
00:47:56.420 --> 00:47:57.539
I want it to be good. I want it to

848
00:47:57.579 --> 00:48:00.099
be a real good science fiction show. You know, it's like,

849
00:48:00.380 --> 00:48:05.489
you know, when, you know, when your famous race car

850
00:48:05.530 --> 00:48:08.449
driver crashes, right, you feel bad, right? You still want

851
00:48:08.489 --> 00:48:10.590
them to succeed. I have a lot of affection for

852
00:48:10.630 --> 00:48:12.889
this cast. I don't have a lot of affection for

853
00:48:12.989 --> 00:48:17.070
the writers room of the show at all because they suck.

854
00:48:18.929 --> 00:48:20.969
And I don't, I just, I'm really, I'm really out

855
00:48:20.989 --> 00:48:23.619
of their corner right now. I mean, I just, I'm, I'm,

856
00:48:23.960 --> 00:48:27.429
you know, I'm, I'm kind of glad that somebody is

857
00:48:27.449 --> 00:48:29.150
going to come in and have to redo this entire

858
00:48:29.210 --> 00:48:31.739
franchise apparently. Cause I think it couldn't get any worse.

859
00:48:32.820 --> 00:48:34.599
I mean, I just don't think so at this point.

860
00:48:34.699 --> 00:48:36.079
I mean, I feel bad cause there's a lot of

861
00:48:36.119 --> 00:48:36.880
good actors here.

862
00:48:37.440 --> 00:48:37.659
Right.

863
00:48:37.860 --> 00:48:40.460
And, uh, and everything like that, but you're never going

864
00:48:40.480 --> 00:48:44.239
to see it. You know, um, I've been watching like Jim,

865
00:48:44.280 --> 00:48:47.900
I've been watching a lot of the center seat to, uh, series.

866
00:48:47.960 --> 00:48:48.179
Right.

867
00:48:48.239 --> 00:48:50.719
And they talk a lot about on that series, right.

868
00:48:50.760 --> 00:48:53.710
About how, you know, the jump from a small screen

869
00:48:53.769 --> 00:48:57.369
episodes to taking, uh, a show and turning it into

870
00:48:57.409 --> 00:49:00.960
a theatrical tentpole and making it into a movie, right?

871
00:49:01.500 --> 00:49:03.639
And what that's like. You're never going to see a

872
00:49:03.639 --> 00:49:04.599
Strange New Worlds movie.

873
00:49:05.340 --> 00:49:05.559
Ever.

874
00:49:06.219 --> 00:49:06.579
Period.

875
00:49:07.360 --> 00:49:07.539
Ever.

876
00:49:08.940 --> 00:49:13.030
Because it's just, you know, there's one thing to shoot

877
00:49:13.050 --> 00:49:15.409
yourself in the foot. It's another thing to blow your

878
00:49:15.670 --> 00:49:18.289
leg off at the kneecap, right? I mean, it's just,

879
00:49:18.329 --> 00:49:21.059
you can't even stand up. And so, yeah. it's sad

880
00:49:22.300 --> 00:49:25.380
I wish it wasn't I kind of agree with you Paul.

881
00:49:26.989 --> 00:49:30.030
I don't know if they've been switching the writers around

882
00:49:30.130 --> 00:49:33.019
like The first couple of seasons of this series was

883
00:49:33.079 --> 00:49:36.360
actually pretty good. But then, for some reason, this season

884
00:49:36.400 --> 00:49:37.659
just fell flat to me.

885
00:49:37.679 --> 00:49:38.639
It was just like, what?

886
00:49:39.280 --> 00:49:42.320
I used to enjoy watching Strange New Worlds, but now

887
00:49:42.340 --> 00:49:43.619
every time a new episode.

888
00:49:43.320 --> 00:49:45.199
Comes, I'm like, should I?

889
00:49:45.219 --> 00:49:47.610
I mean, I have to, but should I? So I'm

890
00:49:47.630 --> 00:49:50.590
just kind of like, I'm hoping that it's a good episode.

891
00:49:50.630 --> 00:49:52.550
That's what I'm hoping for the finale of this season.

892
00:49:52.590 --> 00:49:56.570
We'll just start to go into the next season for

893
00:49:56.590 --> 00:49:59.010
the last season for six episodes. That's why I always said...

894
00:50:00.070 --> 00:50:02.610
I feel like it's going to be rushed because they

895
00:50:02.630 --> 00:50:05.010
got all this stuff that they have to cover and

896
00:50:05.030 --> 00:50:06.289
they should have done it for this season.

897
00:50:06.349 --> 00:50:07.210
It's like, oh no.

898
00:50:07.750 --> 00:50:10.769
So I don't know what's going on, but to me,

899
00:50:11.010 --> 00:50:14.780
I'm hopeful. I'm hoping that it will do better, but

900
00:50:15.050 --> 00:50:15.489
who knows?

901
00:50:19.510 --> 00:50:25.460
Well, I for one actually have been enjoying, I've been

902
00:50:25.500 --> 00:50:30.059
enjoying the, some of the different series. Some of the shows,

903
00:50:30.099 --> 00:50:35.679
the Muppets, the Horror One bit, I enjoyed them. Yes,

904
00:50:35.719 --> 00:50:37.400
they're a bit of a trope, but there was still

905
00:50:37.460 --> 00:50:40.679
a theme enough to the episode that I enjoyed myself.

906
00:50:41.710 --> 00:50:44.050
I just didn't quite understand why we need to go

907
00:50:44.150 --> 00:50:48.969
towards black and white. Why we need to really push... Yes,

908
00:50:49.010 --> 00:50:51.329
we could do a Trillane episode. Why did it have

909
00:50:51.349 --> 00:50:54.780
to be a soap opera? I kind of just wish

910
00:50:54.800 --> 00:50:56.480
they'd gone a different direction.

911
00:50:57.780 --> 00:50:58.000
But.

912
00:50:59.099 --> 00:51:01.539
Some of the episodes I've actually enjoyed. I enjoy the

913
00:51:01.579 --> 00:51:06.420
trope just because it's a theme I do enjoy. Some

914
00:51:06.500 --> 00:51:08.760
of them are just themes I wasn't as happy about.

915
00:51:09.139 --> 00:51:11.960
So I go into each episode saying, okay, what are

916
00:51:11.980 --> 00:51:17.059
they going to do? Because I may not be as

917
00:51:17.099 --> 00:51:17.780
happy with it.

918
00:51:17.840 --> 00:51:19.079
I may seriously enjoy it.

919
00:51:19.099 --> 00:51:22.400
It's just how I like some of these episodes.

920
00:51:23.760 --> 00:51:26.639
You know, there was a Voyager episode, The Q and

921
00:51:26.659 --> 00:51:30.599
the Gray, where... They are set in the Civil War

922
00:51:30.619 --> 00:51:36.429
era with costumes and running around and, you know, it was,

923
00:51:36.639 --> 00:51:38.710
I haven't watched it in a little while, but I just,

924
00:51:38.849 --> 00:51:41.690
I was, it just came to my mind just now.

925
00:51:41.710 --> 00:51:44.730
So that was one where, you know, the Q, I

926
00:51:45.090 --> 00:51:47.429
think it was the Q Continuum or whatever they're called.

927
00:51:47.449 --> 00:51:50.539
They were just, you know, messing with the Voyager crew.

928
00:51:50.559 --> 00:51:53.980
Does anybody remember that one?

929
00:51:54.320 --> 00:51:59.280
Yeah, yeah, of course. That was actually a fantastic episode.

930
00:51:59.539 --> 00:52:05.320
And I think what we're finding is that when you

931
00:52:05.380 --> 00:52:10.869
have these special little moments like subspace rhapsody tucked within

932
00:52:11.190 --> 00:52:14.429
a season of sort of normal.

933
00:52:13.889 --> 00:52:17.840
Star Trek episodes, it's really cool. And people like it.

934
00:52:18.030 --> 00:52:21.349
And it has an effect. And people can see the

935
00:52:21.389 --> 00:52:25.920
kind of like, metaphorical relationship between the setting and the

936
00:52:25.960 --> 00:52:26.500
story that.

937
00:52:26.420 --> 00:52:28.420
They're trying to tell I think that when you.

938
00:52:28.360 --> 00:52:33.039
Have an entire season of that it just creates so

939
00:52:33.099 --> 00:52:37.500
much like episode fatigue that every single time we're just

940
00:52:37.840 --> 00:52:41.670
initially right from the get go expecting it to be

941
00:52:41.690 --> 00:52:44.849
a trope that we hate and so and I don't

942
00:52:44.869 --> 00:52:47.010
think I'm not defending the writing I think the writing

943
00:52:47.030 --> 00:52:49.889
is bad but like I also think that we're approaching

944
00:52:49.929 --> 00:52:52.800
it in a way that you know is is not

945
00:52:53.159 --> 00:52:55.800
it's not like that special little moment like the q

946
00:52:55.840 --> 00:52:58.739
and the gray or you know like a captain proton

947
00:52:58.820 --> 00:53:02.460
episode or you know something something like that.

948
00:53:02.820 --> 00:53:07.920
Well yeah you know we talked about cupid right just

949
00:53:07.960 --> 00:53:11.960
imagine if they had filmed that episode like a 1950s

950
00:53:12.000 --> 00:53:17.710
errol flynn movie instead of like a TNG episode and

951
00:53:17.730 --> 00:53:20.929
I think that's what we're seeing here they want to

952
00:53:20.949 --> 00:53:25.170
do something tropey that's okay keep it in Star Trek

953
00:53:25.409 --> 00:53:31.360
they're not doing that you know they're copying they're stealing

954
00:53:31.380 --> 00:53:36.780
other people's stuff and calling it Star Trek that's you

955
00:53:37.280 --> 00:53:40.619
know my issue but the.

956
00:53:40.599 --> 00:53:42.980
Biggest thing that killed me was Saibot oh my god

957
00:53:44.860 --> 00:53:49.210
I was devastated. You have no idea how excited. Well, yeah,

958
00:53:49.230 --> 00:53:52.550
you do, Eric. How excited I was for this episode.

959
00:53:52.670 --> 00:53:57.510
I have been waiting since we saw Cybok's shadow for this.

960
00:53:57.630 --> 00:54:01.469
I love Star Trek 5. And Cybok, I wanted to

961
00:54:01.510 --> 00:54:04.130
find out where he was. What has he been doing?

962
00:54:04.150 --> 00:54:06.449
How did he get out of jail? How does he

963
00:54:06.639 --> 00:54:09.219
end up where we see him in Star Trek 5?

964
00:54:09.219 --> 00:54:11.500
I had all these things going through my brain, and

965
00:54:11.559 --> 00:54:15.440
I see this. This leather clad, half naked, you.

966
00:54:15.099 --> 00:54:16.059
Know, Ethan Peck.

967
00:54:16.079 --> 00:54:17.820
You say that like it's a bad thing.

968
00:54:19.019 --> 00:54:22.989
And I was so let down for that because I've

969
00:54:23.030 --> 00:54:25.909
been waiting so long for this.

970
00:54:26.210 --> 00:54:29.809
And it was just a major let down for me. So, yeah,

971
00:54:30.170 --> 00:54:36.550
that's it. So, Charles, how did we stack up with

972
00:54:36.809 --> 00:54:37.989
our Facebook fans?

973
00:54:38.889 --> 00:54:42.230
Well, the numbers were interesting. The numbers were interesting the

974
00:54:42.269 --> 00:54:46.869
way they came out. The fans gave it a 6.6,

975
00:54:47.269 --> 00:54:48.590
and the hosts went with a 5.5.

976
00:54:48.590 --> 00:54:48.730
Okay.

977
00:54:49.010 --> 00:54:57.099
That's cool. That's not too bad. So the reason why

978
00:54:57.119 --> 00:54:59.800
we covered this out of order, there's two reasons. One,

979
00:55:00.280 --> 00:55:01.059
I already had all.

980
00:55:00.960 --> 00:55:05.360
The show notes and everything ready for... tomorrow and it

981
00:55:05.400 --> 00:55:06.639
would have been too much of a pain in the

982
00:55:06.699 --> 00:55:10.570
ass to go back and change everything and then once

983
00:55:10.670 --> 00:55:15.309
I saw this episode I wasn't really too excited to

984
00:55:15.389 --> 00:55:17.590
talk about it and the one that we're going to

985
00:55:17.630 --> 00:55:19.809
talk about tomorrow I think is going to be a

986
00:55:19.829 --> 00:55:25.230
much more lively conversation so tomorrow same bat time same

987
00:55:25.269 --> 00:55:27.679
bat channel we're going to be talking about off hour

988
00:55:28.070 --> 00:55:28.920
that'll be 7.30 eastern 4.30 pacific.

989
00:55:31.489 --> 00:55:33.809
And we'll have our fan shout-outs. We'll have Uncle Jim

990
00:55:33.849 --> 00:55:36.670
movie of the week. We'll have our birthdays. We'll have

991
00:55:36.730 --> 00:55:37.590
our regular show.

992
00:55:37.630 --> 00:55:41.289
Shatner says, what? And we're going to have some fun

993
00:55:41.610 --> 00:55:45.079
next week. I promise you. So, did we lose V?

994
00:55:46.309 --> 00:55:46.889
We did.

995
00:55:46.909 --> 00:55:48.389
Unfortunately.

996
00:55:48.809 --> 00:55:50.230
We lost V. Okay.

997
00:55:50.690 --> 00:55:55.650
So, without any further ado, guys, I'm your host, Uncle Jim,

998
00:55:55.690 --> 00:55:58.510
saying please, everybody, stay safe and be good.

999
00:55:58.369 --> 00:56:04.679
To each other. Hailing Frequencies. I close. Good night, everybody. Oh, wait, wait, wait.

1000
00:56:04.840 --> 00:56:07.159
I got to say, I got to say thank you

1001
00:56:07.179 --> 00:56:10.239
to Charles for hanging out and talking with us. Thank you, Charles.

1002
00:56:11.610 --> 00:56:12.300
Thank you, Jim.

1003
00:56:12.389 --> 00:56:13.050
Always fun.

1004
00:56:15.070 --> 00:56:17.110
And thank you to Eric for hanging out and talking

1005
00:56:17.130 --> 00:56:18.670
with us as well. Thank you so much, Eric.

1006
00:56:19.429 --> 00:56:20.829
Yeah, thanks a lot. Good times.

1007
00:56:21.849 --> 00:56:24.329
And thank you to David, of course, our miracle worker

1008
00:56:24.349 --> 00:56:29.269
for the awesome videos. Thank you, David. And the Cybok

1009
00:56:29.309 --> 00:56:30.150
video was awesome.

1010
00:56:30.190 --> 00:56:31.750
I'm going to have to go back and re-watch that,

1011
00:56:31.789 --> 00:56:36.610
dry my eyes a little bit. And thank you to V,

1012
00:56:36.699 --> 00:56:39.320
who we lost, and thank you so much to Paul

1013
00:56:39.840 --> 00:56:41.619
as well.

1014
00:56:41.679 --> 00:56:44.179
Thanks, friends. Here's to another 60 years.

1015
00:56:44.199 --> 00:56:49.960
And let's not forget, let's give a shameless plug in here.

1016
00:56:50.300 --> 00:56:52.530
Paul, who are we talking to next week?

1017
00:56:54.190 --> 00:56:57.760
Oh, dude, it is going to be Epic. I mean, epic.

1018
00:56:57.860 --> 00:56:59.539
We were just talking about, you know.

1019
00:57:02.360 --> 00:57:05.840
The new show, right, that just dropped yesterday on YouTube, right?

1020
00:57:05.880 --> 00:57:09.139
These new episodes of the documentary, The Center Chair Part 2.

1021
00:57:09.139 --> 00:57:11.079
I have to go back and watch Center Chair Part

1022
00:57:11.079 --> 00:57:13.199
1 to get all those in there. But we are having,

1023
00:57:13.420 --> 00:57:17.599
I'm willing to say, the legendary Brian Volkweis on here,

1024
00:57:17.860 --> 00:57:20.840
who is a producer of media such as that, and

1025
00:57:21.010 --> 00:57:25.550
also the wunderkind behind Nacelle Toys. So Nacelle is just

1026
00:57:25.590 --> 00:57:29.630
going crazy. I mean, this guy gets stuff done. He

1027
00:57:29.650 --> 00:57:33.429
has resurrected the Star Trek action figure universe in a

1028
00:57:33.469 --> 00:57:36.110
way that I think many people thought was not possible.

1029
00:57:37.409 --> 00:57:41.260
Absolutely phenomenal. Really, really doing some great stuff. So, I mean,

1030
00:57:41.280 --> 00:57:43.619
I'm just chomping at the bit to pick this guy's brain.

1031
00:57:43.780 --> 00:57:49.820
And just a super cool producer, director, and toy empresario. So,

1032
00:57:50.260 --> 00:57:53.250
can't wait. I want to say that's, what is it,

1033
00:57:53.300 --> 00:57:54.559
the 17th, Jim?

1034
00:57:54.619 --> 00:57:57.219
Do I have the date right? Yep, 17th. Yeah, yeah.

1035
00:57:58.150 --> 00:58:00.610
It's going to be legendary. I absolutely can't wait because

1036
00:58:00.670 --> 00:58:02.349
it's just like if we can just get him to

1037
00:58:02.429 --> 00:58:04.789
talk and reveal something. I know there's probably a lot

1038
00:58:04.809 --> 00:58:07.730
of stuff he's got to keep quiet because I'm pretty

1039
00:58:07.789 --> 00:58:09.590
sure he's going to be at New York Comic Con

1040
00:58:09.610 --> 00:58:10.349
in October.

1041
00:58:10.550 --> 00:58:10.889
And right.

1042
00:58:10.929 --> 00:58:13.030
So I'm betting he can't say too much about what's

1043
00:58:13.070 --> 00:58:16.690
coming prior to that. But he loves to tease stuff. And,

1044
00:58:16.869 --> 00:58:18.750
you know, if you're not following him on social media,

1045
00:58:18.829 --> 00:58:21.650
you should. I mean, he's very entertaining, has a lot

1046
00:58:21.670 --> 00:58:24.489
of cool stuff on there, but gets it done, man.

1047
00:58:24.829 --> 00:58:26.829
Gets it done. Shout out to a guy from Queens.

1048
00:58:27.010 --> 00:58:27.130
Right.

1049
00:58:27.639 --> 00:58:31.219
It really is just the toy thing. I'm just going bananas.

1050
00:58:31.360 --> 00:58:31.500
Right.

1051
00:58:31.639 --> 00:58:34.239
So it's just, and you know, I'm, I'm just waiting

1052
00:58:34.780 --> 00:58:37.659
for this set of expanse figures to show up from

1053
00:58:37.679 --> 00:58:41.460
the TV series, the expanse. I mean, man, they're just phenomenal.

1054
00:58:41.639 --> 00:58:44.380
So what next, man? I can't wait to find out

1055
00:58:44.400 --> 00:58:46.179
what's next from this guy. So yeah, that's going to

1056
00:58:46.199 --> 00:58:46.679
be a great show.

1057
00:58:47.300 --> 00:58:49.940
I've been working, working hard to get them on here

1058
00:58:49.960 --> 00:58:51.909
for you, Paul. And I'm glad I was finally able

1059
00:58:51.929 --> 00:58:52.719
to make it happen.

1060
00:58:52.780 --> 00:58:52.909
So.

1061
00:58:53.280 --> 00:58:57.429
Yeah, much appreciated. He's a tremendous dude. So who knows

1062
00:58:57.469 --> 00:59:00.489
what he'll do in the years to come. Maybe he'll

1063
00:59:00.489 --> 00:59:04.130
become a movie producer and he'll take over the franchise. Yeah,

1064
00:59:04.130 --> 00:59:06.130
he should take over the franchise.

1065
00:59:06.130 --> 00:59:09.570
Yeah and V I just I just wanted to say

1066
00:59:09.639 --> 00:59:11.780
thank you so much for hanging out and Shrek talking

1067
00:59:11.820 --> 00:59:13.539
with us tonight thank you so much.

1068
00:59:13.900 --> 00:59:17.639
Let's be here even though Riverside kept on taking me

1069
00:59:17.780 --> 00:59:20.139
off but I'm back again.

1070
00:59:20.699 --> 00:59:24.099
You're here now so I'm your most excellent host Uncle

1071
00:59:24.139 --> 00:59:26.280
Jim saying please stay safe be good to each other

1072
00:59:26.300 --> 00:59:29.949
hailing frequencies are closed good night everybody Good night.

1073
00:59:30.329 --> 00:59:30.750
Bye.

1074
01:00:03.389 --> 01:00:04.809
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1075
01:00:06.090 --> 01:00:07.329
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1076
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1077
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1078
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1079
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1080
01:00:21.219 --> 01:00:22.800
All right, guys. I just wanted to end the show

1081
01:00:22.880 --> 01:00:25.460
on something a little different. We'll be back next week.

1082
01:00:25.500 --> 01:00:29.730
Same bad time, same bad channel. Thanks a lot. Good night, everybody. Bye.

1083
01:00:29.769 --> 01:00:29.889
Bye.