Oct. 18, 2024

Aaron Waltke talks Star Trek: Prodigy

Aaron Waltke talks Star Trek: Prodigy

Aaron Waltke, the man behind Star Trek: Prodigy talks about season two and beyond....

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Season 4Star Trek ProdigySpecial Guests

Uncle Jim and his Treksperts are joind by Aaron Waltke. He's is an American screenwriter and, Annie-nominated executive producer and showrunner. He is best known for his work on Guillermo del Toro's Trollhunters (2016–2018), Wizards: Tales of Arcadia (2020), Unikitty! (2018–2020), and Star Trek: Prodigy (2021–present). In 2020, he was named by The College Magazine as one of its "20 under 40" List. Emmy Award-winning writer and producer who worked as staff writer and executive producer on Star Trek: Prodigy. He also wrote the Star Trek: very Short Treks episode "Holograms All the Way Down". Have your Star Trek: Prodigy questions ready, and call (646)668-2433 with your questions. Let's see what's out there...ENGAGE!

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Well, good evening trek e's and trekkers around the globe.

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It is Thursday, October seventeenth, twenty twenty four. It is

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four thirty pm Pacific time, which makes it seven thirty

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pm Eastern Time, which means we are live. So you

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can let your fingers do the walking and call truck

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talking right now. Our phone number here is six four

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six six six eight two four three three, and you're

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definitely gonna want to start dialing now. You may have

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noticed that I skipped our traditional opening to play the

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Prodigy theme song. That's because we have the one, the

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only mister Prodigy himself live on the line with us.

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That's right, Aaron Walke is here to talk about Prodigy

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and take your questions. So give us a call at

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You can just call and say hello. You can call

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and tell him how awesome Prodigy is and how much

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you love it. Just give us a call six four

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six sixty six eight two four three three. And before

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we go too far, I want to introduce you guys

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to my awesome Trench Sperts and we're gonna start off

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with Eric. Eric is out in Portland. How you doing tonight, Eric,

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You know.

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Jim, I am doing pretty good. In fact, I'm doing

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probably the best I've been doing all week. I actually

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was pretty sick at the start of the week, which

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is rare for me. I get sick about once a

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year and I put me down for the count for

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a couple of days. But I'm feeling strong and very

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excited to be talking to Aaron tonight.

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Absolutely absolutely. We also have with us Paul. Paul's out

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in Portland as well.

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How you doing, Paul, Hey man, I'm good, doing good,

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Uncle Jim. I I feel as frisky as as jenkin

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pog with a new hand attachment. I'm ready to handle

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whatever may come my way. I feel pretty pretty frisky today,

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so I think, and uh delighted to be able to

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interact with our guests. Man, so pretty pretty fantastic. So

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it's gonna be a good night to fly the fly

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the coop like bird brain.

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Huh.

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Hey, show some respect, man, come on, some respect.

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And also from Portland, we have David. How you doing tonight, David.

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I'm pretty tired, but I'm doing okay.

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Excited to hear you guys talk about all this.

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I can't wait.

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It's definitely gonna be Fun's gonna be fun. And last,

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but definitely not least from Las Vegas. We have our

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very own Charls. How you're doing tonight, Charles, I'm doing

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all right.

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Came back to Vegas.

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So things are.

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Looking up excellent. Good to hear it, Good to hear it.

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Before we get too far, I want to let you

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guys know that you can find all of our shows

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at Trek Talking dot com. You can go there and

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we have six hundred and nine episodes there that you

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can listen to. You can also link over to our

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Facebook page from Trek Talking dot com, so check it out.

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Next week, which which is going to be October twenty fourth,

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we're going to be talking to John Simpson, who was

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Young Sarah in Star Trek five The Final Frontier. As

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you guys know, Star Trek five the Final Frontier is

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my favorite Star Trek movie and anytime I get an

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opportunity to talk to somebody from Star Trek five, I'm

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all over that. So John Simpson, who played Young Sarah

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in the Dream Sequence with Cyboch, is going to be

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with us to talk about Star Trek five. So give

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us a call, give us a listen. That'll be next

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week and then on Halloween, Happy Halloween, Trick or Treat.

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Lower Decks is back. We're gonna have two episodes to

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talk about on Halloween. So if that's our schedule, that's

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what's going on this week. And you may have noticed

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we played the Prodigy theme song, and that's because we

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have with us right now mister Prodigy himself. Aaron Walke,

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How you doing tonight?

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Erin great glad to be here, Liz Logs and Prepper.

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Welcome to the podcast. So we just finished up. We've been, uh,

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we've been watching Prodigy. We've been trying to do two

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episodes a week is what we've been trying to do,

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and we just finished it.

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Upon, Yes, we did, so, we just finished it up,

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and we are really excited to talk to you about

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Star Trek Prodigy.

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We thought it was great and we're really we're really

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excited and psyched to have you with us tonight because

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last time we had you on, you couldn't say much

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about season two because you know it had been moving

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from Paramount Plus to Netflix. So but now I assume

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everything is on the table, right we can talk about

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all of it now, or is there anything, we have

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Yeah, it's all all twenty all forty episodes are available

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on Netflix now in most countries and SKYS, show Time

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and the rest. So pretty much everything that's been aired

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is fair.

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Gay, all right, excellent. So on our Facebook page every

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week we like to do polls and get what the

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fans opinions on things. And because we were having you

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on the show this week, I wanted to do some

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Prodigy Central polls to give us something to talk about here.

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And but guess what, before I do that, I can't

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forget this. I should have cued it up beforehand, but

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I was too too nervous and didn't do it. Where

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did they put it? So? Where is it? Where is it?

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Where is there? It is? Every week we ask polls

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on our Facebook page, and Eric has done up a

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brand new pole theme song for us, and we're gonna

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premiere it right here, right now. This is this is it, guys,

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This is our our brand new poll song.

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Linn you know me like the wind? What you thought

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about the show.

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Then we try.

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To share your opinions with all of our minions out

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there because they listen worldwide.

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Tell us just what you think.

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Get together, we will all tern Gnar and robbylin An.

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There we go, there's our pull. Oh where do you guys?

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What do you say?

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Truly hit another record contract your way?

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Clearly?

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Yeah, they're pouring in there. Let me tell you.

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Yeah, there's incredible Thank you.

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That means a.

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Lot, thank you. All right, So that's that's our new

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Poland song. And whenever you hear that, you know we're

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going to be talking about some great stuff and we're

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going to be hearing from you guys are fans. Because

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we have Aaron on and it's a Prodigy show, I

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asked some Prodigy questions. So the first question that I

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asked you guys on our Facebook page was Netflix dropped

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all twenty episodes of Star Trek Prodigy Season two at once.

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Did you like it that way or do you prefer

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it weekly? Now, before I say what our fans thought,

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as a podcaster myself, I didn't like twenty at once

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because it put a lot of pressure on us to

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review episodes and not take time to properly digest them

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and discuss them because we had to kick out so

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many episodes so quick to try to stay relevant. So personally,

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I preferred if they were weekly, how about you, Paul.

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Well, I think it's the nature of the game though, man.

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I mean it's just like it's it's like saying, I

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you know, gosh, I really missed the old you know,

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maytag repairman commercials. Right, I mean the world has moved on, right,

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I mean it really has. I mean it's just it's

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so often now. I mean it's it's more fifty to fifty.

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You've got some shows like HBO shows at least pick

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something like The Penguin for example, right, and they drop

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it one week at a time, old school, right, I

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mean you just basically there you go. I mean I

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think Game of Thrones that's their model over there on HBO, Right,

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one week at a time. But you know Netflix has

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always given you a whole enchilada, all the ones pretty much, right.

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I mean that's how they did it for you know,

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everything I can think of, for the most part, in

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the last couple of years. So it's just kind of

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their model, right, And people can choose what's best for them.

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I think the hardest thing is is, given how rabid

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defan community is, right, if you are kind of taking

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a slower approach like we did, man, it's hard to

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avoid spoilers in this day and age and still engage

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on social media, so you have to kind of, you know,

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be nefarious to avoid getting too much spoiled for you, right,

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But yeah, yeah, I see, I see both sides of it.

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To be frank though, it's a I do love the

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idea that they're all there because to me, it's incentive

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to have a couple of binges, right to sit down

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and go, okay, loved ones, Let's crank through like three

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or four of these and and you know, do it

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in like little surges. Right, So I don't know, it's

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it's a tough thing, but I mean I think more

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and more shows are going that way, right. I think

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it's it's something we have to get used to and

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evolved with.

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Well, when they did Cobra Kai, they dropped them and

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block the five do the whole season at once, But

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that's a different conversation. How about you, What did you think, Eric,

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did you like all twenty at once?

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to watch them more on a weekly basis. Myself, my

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TV watching habits are that I watch many shows at

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the same time, and I very rarely watch more than

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like one or two in a night. So I'm just

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I'm just not really a binger as a podcaster. I

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agree with you, Jim. It was kind of tough to

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have them all drop and then you know, have to

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avoid social media and that sort of stuff. So you know,

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Paul's right though, it is it is the new world,

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so here we are. But my preference would be to

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have them come out maybe a little more slowly they could.

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like to have an honest opinion of the episode and

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not know what's coming next. And like Paul said, it's

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hard to stay away from spoilers when they when twenty

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of them are all out there. But I think we

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had a good job. We did.

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We did a great joit.

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We did. We did a good job not spoiling it.

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So I mean, yeah, well, I was surprised that some

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of the stuff that some of the surprisers we saw

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on the show, we knew I missed on social media completely.

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But that's not a bad thing. That's kind of a

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good thing.

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So what I wanted that I tripped over with it

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was just so hard to avoid was was Crusher? Was

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Wesley Crusher? That was you know, I wish, I wish

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I had not known that, but it was really.

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Hard to avoid.

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It's kind of hard to avoid those spoilers. But I

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will say working on the show, it was really hard

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to avoid spoiling that ourselves because we had to hold

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on that secrets for over two and a half years. Wow,

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oh wow, you know how much?

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How much espresso did you give? Will Wheaton on like

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a recording basis?

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Man?

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I mean, he was just so amped up. It was

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just wild. He was so entertaining.

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he he had an idea of where his character went

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after the you know, he was swept up into the

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Traveler organization, so he had his head and writting short

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stories about it. And so when we told him we

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were wanting to explore what the Travelers were like, and

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and you talked about how it was being tied into

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Picard with Gary seven, which already had sort of like

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old school doctor who vibes. And as soon as we

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explained all of that to Will Wheaton, he was completely

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all about it, and he just dove in and did

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it exactly as you as you heard. You know, he

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had some opinions about which doctor he wanted to channel.

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I think he was like, I wanted to be less

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than ninth, less of the ninth doctor, more of the eleventh

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or twelve factors, he said.

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Totally excellent. It was just incredibly fun and entertaining though,

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and just I mean having him be such a big

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plot driver, right, I mean, it's just like you just

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never knew what was going to happen next week. It's

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like you think you know what's going to happen, and

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you think that Wesley's plan is, you know, become clearer,

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and then all of a sudden it be a hard

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left turn, you go off road, and it's like, oh,

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oh we didn't count yes, And it was just great,

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so super fun.

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Yeah, he was. He was. Definitely It's hard.

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It's definitely hard to plot a season that has surprises

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in it when you have a character that can osensibly

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predict the future, so you have to keep him in

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that that sort of soothsayer character guessing. So I'm glad

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that it worked out that people were surprised by the

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times we took.

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It was excellent. And just to let you know, seventy

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nine percent of our Facebook fans prefer it being dropped

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all at once, so I'm in the minority. Yeah, so fans, I.

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Certainly feel for you and the podcasters who have to

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cover this so weekly because it is twenty episodes. Is

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no joke for sure. But I think for this season

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in particular, because there it was such a serialized season

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with set up some payoffs that were sometimes spanning five, ten, fifteen,

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twenty episodes, I think it worked out this season that

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people could just watch at their own pace, and I

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feel like Star Trek fans were pretty good about preventing spoilers,

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at least for the first month or so, but You're Ryan,

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at a certain point, it becomes all they talk about.

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good time talking about and there was a lot of

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two parters too, which made it easier for us because

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we could talk about both parts that once, which I

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thought was really cool that the skill dule fell that way.

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So that was a lot of fun. And I put

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this poll together before Wesley showed up, So Wesley does

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not show up on this particular poll because he wasn't

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a major character at that time. But I asked our

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Facebook page, what is aren't your favorite Prodigy character, and

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the favorite Prodigy character was Gwendala with nineteen percent of

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the vote. Does that surprise you, eron?

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No, you know what, not really, because I personally love

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Gwendala as a character, and she certainly had a pretty

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dynamic arc of her own this season, starting from a

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sort of deposed diplomat or emissary sent to her home

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planet to try to prevent it self destruction all the

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way up to spoiler alert, becoming the acting captain of

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the USS Prodigy. You know, that's who doesn't want to

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see that? That journey with her and Ella Purnell the

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actress is phenomenal. You know, she's had quite a couple

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of years herself, starting in like three out of the

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ten top shows of last year, you know, Yellow Jackets,

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Arcane Fallout and our show.

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Yeah, gwendalas had definitely had a great arc, and coming

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in second place with fourteen percent of the vote was zero

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one of my characters that I really like a lot,

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Your Nique character and A followed with twelve percently Ad

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Jacob Pog and then tied with rock Talk and then

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one of my favorite favorite characters, and I'm so glad

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you Editor was Migell with ten percent of the vote.

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And she's just an I love her character. She isn't

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by far my favorite character from the second season. She's phenomenal.

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Yeah, we really enjoyed writing We enjoyed writing Mogelle for

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the as the kind of foil to the rambunctious hyjinks

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that are sort of unruly cute crew tends to get into.

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We wanted somebody who is the best of the best

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cure Starfleet to be, to be sort of the counter

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le lever to that energy that the Prodigy crew typically

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brings and you know, level them out a little bit,

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but also call them out as someone who would did

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go to Starfleet Academy would be completely flabbergasted, I think,

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but by some of their medments, So that we really

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end writing for her and giving her an arc of

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her own and for kind of expanding her own her

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view of what makes a good Starfleet officer and not

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being so rigid in by the books. So it was

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it was really fun to integrate her.

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Yeah, and I think I think she shook up the

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dynamic of the crew by putting her in there, because

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the relationship that she had with Zero and the dynamic

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between her and Gwendala. She was a great character to

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put in there to shake things up a little bit.

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She was marvelous. I hope we see more of her

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in season three.

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And yeah, she was on the ship.

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That's right, she was there. And then Janeway came in

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next with ten percent of the vote, and surprisingly dal

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only got seven percent of the vote, which is surprising

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seeing how he's one of the major characters of the show.

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I don't know why he's so far down the list

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of popularity. That's odd.

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Well, they're I mean they're all uh, they're all pretty close,

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within like ten percentage points. So that's that's not too bad.

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Yeah.

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No, you know who's not listed though, who's not lifted

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on your pole?

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But I got to put a vote for No.

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No.

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Man.

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I was a huge fan of a drink on this

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this this season, I thought a Drake was so badass. Man,

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he was so cool. He didn't have a ton of

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screen time, but man, he really he cast a real shadow.

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I mean, I think one of my favorite you know,

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Arcs season for me was the whole two parts last

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flight of the proto Star right and just the way

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Jakote is just you know, hopeful but kind of broken

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up man, and he's just kind of haunted by his absence,

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and you could just get a sense of that friendship

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that they had been through a lot. He was a

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cool character, man, really really cool. How did you decide

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to to come up with that? What was the genesis

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of that character? Because I think he was great.

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Well, we had had a lot of conversations about what

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Chakota's prior crew was when he first captained the USS

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proto Star and obviously every every crew has a great

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first officer. And uh, you see him very briefly in

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some flashbacks in season one h when we find out

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what happened to the Protostar originally, and we we wanted

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him to be in an Aurelian as sort of an

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homage to the original animated series, which of course has

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a bird person on the on the crew as well,

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and we when it came time to actually getting to

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write him, we thought, wouldn't it be cool to have

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him be sort of a badass Number one. I believe

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we based him very loosely on Snap Snake Pliskin from

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initially that's awesome, but just like that guy who's just

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like he gets the job done, but you don't want

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to mess with him. And having that energy kind of

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bounce off of you know, our young crew of brats

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gallions was very fun too.

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That's great call me bird exactly, and I mean the

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avalanche of great jankom pug bird puns that came as

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a result of him. Oh my god, that was just

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we got a lot of mileage out of that.

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That was absolutely that was That was absolutely great for sure.

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I also like the Andrian Tyree Tsive. I thought he

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was great.

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I have to tell you I connected with that guy

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very strongly because back in the day when the Star

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trek uh Uh role playing game came out, I played

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an Andorian first officer and there you go, and he

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was very much like him in so many ways. He

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was a great XO, was like on top of things,

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listening to the captain, like making things happen. I really

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liked his character and he was smart, and you know,

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there were a couple of we didn't get to really

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like explore the fact that he was an Andorian at all,

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but I thought that was okay because he was kind

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of all business, which I is how I always imagine

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them to be.

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That digs too man a guest yet God.

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Yeah, I think we figured if we were getting the

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v gigs, we should definitely write a good character for him,

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and now that we had the second season, we'd have

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the time to really explore who he was and give

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him some cool moments in the show. And he You know,

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we all loved Andrian's on in the writer's room, especially

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some of the depictions you saw in later series, like

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like Enterprise. Flawn I think was our room favorite, and

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we thought it would be fun to create a character

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there was like a little bit more disciplines, but definitely

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had a little bit of that roguishness that Traun did

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an Enterprise.

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Did you sort of develop that character's personality and then

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fit a race to it, or did you say we

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want an Andorian and so therefore we will write an Andorian.

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I think it started with this just fun idea that

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the Janeway's Bridge crew would be have representatives from the

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other founding members of the Federation.

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Yeah, there we are.

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So that's why you have That's why you know, who's

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a tellwright.

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Yep.

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And the only one we didn't have was a Vulcan.

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But we did see Vulcans in the background, but didn't happens,

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but we uh yeah, we wanted to represent some of

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the less represented founding fathers of the of the Federation.

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Well that that.

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Fact was not lost on viewers. I think that you

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had an Andorian, a Tellwrighte, and a human all on

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the same bridge. I think that made a lot of sense.

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Yeah, well to have a tailor, right, and and Dorian

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on the bridge together. Yeah, those are well known petition

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optitional optition against each other, so it's interesting to see together.

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Mm hmm. Yeah, we wanted to show that maybe the

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things that evolved a little bit since their their early days,

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back when Archer was trying to get them to stop

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killing each other.

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Yeah, that was great. And obviously you guys in the

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writing room have a ton of Star Trek knowledge. I

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can't we watched all twenty and the references that you

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have and the easter eggs to other episodes, and its phenomenal.

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I mean, you you guys really really uh know what

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you're doing there. I wish some of the other Star

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Trek shows would tie stuff together as well as you

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guys do on Prodigy. It's incredible. Well, I mean we had.

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To benefit for the writer's room of Prodigy, that there

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were a lot of super fans that had been thinking

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about a lot of the things we tied together for

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you know, thirty or forty years. So we finally got

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to make our head canon's cannon.

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Who decided to name who decided to name the whale

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first of all? Who decided to have the whale ocation?

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And then who decided to name it Dollian? You know.

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So I've been a proponent of citation ops for a

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very long time. I had I had a Twitter thread

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that went viral a few years ago, I think before

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Prodigy had even been announced that as it got thousands

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of likes and retweets, and it was just talking about

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all the ways the citation ops had been hidden right

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under our noses on I was like tng and and whatnot,

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but I it was I saw it was definitely my

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idea to work it in there, and lower decks kind

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of paid the way, I think for people and people

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to be okay with with us making it explicitly canon

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rather than just casually referenced by a FERENGHI passing by

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on the Enterprise D and then and then I think

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the name of Gillian was it was come up with

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together with with Jim Murrow, one of our season two

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writer producers, who is a huge PG fan, but she

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also loves the Vitos movies as much as I do.

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And so as soon as somebody said so guests to Jillian,

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I was like, yeah, absolutely, it have to be Jillian

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Why not? Because this these whales offensively would be the

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children and grandchildren of George and Gracie from Star Trek four,

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So why not have a name that's sort of an

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homage to the scientists who help them.

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And when they go into the Mirror universe and they're

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running through the tunnel and Jacob posis even the whales

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are evil? I lost it. I was like, wow, yea,

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even whales.

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Are Those are my favorite aspects of Star Trek. I

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think where you you you set up all of the

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dominoes for an interesting sought experiment, and then when you're

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actually writing the episode, it can take you to some

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very strange and surprising places. And as soon as we

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realized that that Jillian Us would in theory have her

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own Mirror Dark counterpart, we couldn't not find a way

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to work her in.

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It was great. It was great and something that we

477
00:28:55.960 --> 00:28:58.720
always joke about on the show, which I thought was

478
00:28:58.799 --> 00:29:01.039
great that you did in a pro was in the

479
00:29:01.119 --> 00:29:02.000
Mirror Universe.

480
00:29:02.680 --> 00:29:02.839
Eric.

481
00:29:02.960 --> 00:29:06.079
What makes the Mirror Universe people so distinguished to us

482
00:29:06.119 --> 00:29:07.400
that we always talk about on.

483
00:29:07.440 --> 00:29:14.720
The show, Uh, the beard situation, the Beyeah and when

484
00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:18.559
when you put the little beard on Chakota and Bo's Mirror.

485
00:29:18.400 --> 00:29:24.079
Universe instantly and or if he cut off the sleeves,

486
00:29:24.119 --> 00:29:27.880
which I believe was another aesthetic choice that I loved

487
00:29:27.960 --> 00:29:30.799
because that branches right out of some of the id

488
00:29:31.000 --> 00:29:33.960
W comics that we've reviewed with the Tangi Mirror crew

489
00:29:34.039 --> 00:29:37.680
who have those nice cutoff sleeves and super buff biceps

490
00:29:37.720 --> 00:29:38.079
and stuff.

491
00:29:39.599 --> 00:29:39.799
Yeah.

492
00:29:39.839 --> 00:29:43.960
Absolutely, And we figured that after the events of Deep

493
00:29:44.039 --> 00:29:46.559
State nine, which was the last time we saw them

494
00:29:47.039 --> 00:29:51.440
in the timeline. Uh, you know, the Mirror Universe Human

495
00:29:51.599 --> 00:29:58.319
Alliance had overthrown mclingon Cardassian oppressors. Uh, And we figured

496
00:29:58.519 --> 00:30:00.640
as they were rebuilding, they were probab be a little

497
00:30:00.640 --> 00:30:04.759
bit of fracturing and some of them, knowing that Mirror

498
00:30:04.880 --> 00:30:09.400
Stock trying to reform the Terran Empire and make it

499
00:30:09.559 --> 00:30:12.599
nice is what led to their downfall. That's We'll be like,

500
00:30:12.640 --> 00:30:14.720
you know what, actually, let's go back to the old ways.

501
00:30:14.799 --> 00:30:17.839
Let's go old school, and that's where the New Terran

502
00:30:17.960 --> 00:30:20.880
Armada and Mirror Janeway and such were born.

503
00:30:21.880 --> 00:30:24.759
So do you, guys, when you're doing the writing for episodes,

504
00:30:25.359 --> 00:30:27.480
you know, like that or any other episode, do you

505
00:30:28.119 --> 00:30:32.400
ever kind of branch into beta canon sources like comic

506
00:30:32.440 --> 00:30:34.039
books or any of that sort of stuff and borrow

507
00:30:34.119 --> 00:30:38.039
ideas or you know, be inspired by things or anything

508
00:30:38.119 --> 00:30:38.279
like that.

509
00:30:40.359 --> 00:30:43.720
Yeah. Absolutely. Whenever we're exploring an idea, we first will

510
00:30:43.759 --> 00:30:47.839
obviously search the television and film canon to see if

511
00:30:47.880 --> 00:30:50.200
there's any precedent or anything we should keep in mind.

512
00:30:50.839 --> 00:30:54.480
But sometimes when we're going into territory that is kind

513
00:30:54.519 --> 00:30:59.920
of untread snow, so to speak, we will reference beta canon,

514
00:31:00.480 --> 00:31:04.640
and you rightfully reference both the T ANDNG Mirror Universe comics.

515
00:31:05.680 --> 00:31:09.519
And also we took some inspiration from Star Trek Online,

516
00:31:09.680 --> 00:31:14.680
which which features Mirror Janeway as a few years after

517
00:31:15.039 --> 00:31:18.680
the time period that we're in. But that's that's where

518
00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:21.680
we got the idea for her having a borgin plant

519
00:31:21.960 --> 00:31:25.319
that was similar to Seven of Nines. Whether it's a

520
00:31:25.400 --> 00:31:29.039
trophy or whether the Karen Empire tried to use borg

521
00:31:29.200 --> 00:31:33.759
technology to their advantage, that's a story for someone else's

522
00:31:33.799 --> 00:31:36.839
head canon. But those are definitely elements that we We

523
00:31:36.960 --> 00:31:42.960
always said, if it works for our show, and it

524
00:31:43.039 --> 00:31:45.319
happens to be in beta canon, there's no reason for

525
00:31:45.440 --> 00:31:48.599
us not to use it, because obviously these other Star

526
00:31:48.680 --> 00:31:51.279
Trek fans have been thinking long and hard about this too,

527
00:31:51.960 --> 00:31:55.119
So why not canonize it if it makes sense.

528
00:31:55.559 --> 00:31:58.480
And you hear squeals of joy over the entire country

529
00:31:58.640 --> 00:31:59.680
when you do things like that, I.

530
00:31:59.720 --> 00:32:01.839
Thought, which is pretty cool.

531
00:32:02.400 --> 00:32:05.799
Yeah, absolutely, Yeah.

532
00:32:05.960 --> 00:32:10.480
I also liked being a Quingon fan when you when

533
00:32:10.519 --> 00:32:14.960
you mentioned Chancellor Martok and the Great Trible War. Yes,

534
00:32:15.160 --> 00:32:17.440
and we see a Klingon stranded on this planet with

535
00:32:17.559 --> 00:32:22.920
these giant man eating Klingon I mean Tribles. I thought

536
00:32:23.000 --> 00:32:26.799
that was outstanding that we finally got to see Pribbles

537
00:32:27.240 --> 00:32:28.200
in that time frame.

538
00:32:30.680 --> 00:32:35.240
Yeah, they were kind of hinted in I believe Trials

539
00:32:35.279 --> 00:32:39.920
and Triblations the Deep Stay Sign episodes that Tribles were

540
00:32:40.039 --> 00:32:44.039
accidentally brought back from extinction. When are you know the

541
00:32:44.400 --> 00:32:47.279
crew of the Stay Sign was transported back in time

542
00:32:47.440 --> 00:32:50.680
to the original cos Enterprise. You know, we're in the

543
00:32:50.759 --> 00:32:54.519
background of the Trouble of Tribles and then accidentally brought

544
00:32:54.559 --> 00:32:56.400
a couple back with them to the present and then

545
00:32:56.440 --> 00:32:59.799
they kind of sort of repopulating in the universe. So

546
00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:03.680
they wanted to uh subtly see the aftermath of that,

547
00:33:04.400 --> 00:33:05.519
and in a way.

548
00:33:05.440 --> 00:33:06.079
It was sort of a.

549
00:33:07.839 --> 00:33:10.599
Cold war that the Koyons were waging to try to

550
00:33:10.680 --> 00:33:14.279
stop the spread of their their ancient blood enemy, the Triples.

551
00:33:17.160 --> 00:33:19.880
It was great it was to hear general. To hear

552
00:33:20.440 --> 00:33:24.759
ransfor Martok's name drop kind of gave me goosebumps because

553
00:33:25.119 --> 00:33:28.079
after Deep Space nine, we don't really know what happened.

554
00:33:29.000 --> 00:33:31.519
That's the whole area where we don't really know. So

555
00:33:32.279 --> 00:33:34.039
now we know that he sent out a bunch of

556
00:33:34.079 --> 00:33:39.720
ships to hunt down the Tribles, among others, yes, you know,

557
00:33:39.799 --> 00:33:42.039
which is pretty neat when you think about it. And

558
00:33:42.319 --> 00:33:49.440
the Triples themselves were meat eating tribles, right, they were carnivores,

559
00:33:49.920 --> 00:33:52.000
these guys, right, they had.

560
00:33:52.400 --> 00:33:56.599
They had been genetically modified. Yeah, they've been genetically modified

561
00:33:57.000 --> 00:34:01.720
by accident by by doctor career bang try as he

562
00:34:01.839 --> 00:34:05.880
was trying to stop their reproduction. Instead, you know, triggered

563
00:34:06.000 --> 00:34:10.760
some hidden genetic chromosome that allowed them to grow massive

564
00:34:10.760 --> 00:34:14.000
in size and become carnivorous and in turn you know

565
00:34:14.320 --> 00:34:18.719
that genetic variance eventually led to what we saw were

566
00:34:18.760 --> 00:34:21.239
the attack triples that show up in Star Trek to

567
00:34:21.320 --> 00:34:22.239
Card season three.

568
00:34:24.480 --> 00:34:25.039
Interesting.

569
00:34:25.800 --> 00:34:29.519
Interesting, this as the homo erectus on the way to

570
00:34:29.880 --> 00:34:32.840
the Homo sapien it we see in the card, right.

571
00:34:34.320 --> 00:34:37.679
Yeah, exactly? Yeah?

572
00:34:37.840 --> 00:34:43.480
And then whose idea was it to make Prodigy to

573
00:34:43.800 --> 00:34:49.679
end it with the Children of Mars short Trek episode

574
00:34:49.719 --> 00:34:53.440
where we actually get to find out what happened when

575
00:34:53.519 --> 00:34:57.599
the synse went crazy? I was that always planned to

576
00:34:57.880 --> 00:35:00.440
end that way? Or was that? Did you just side?

577
00:35:00.760 --> 00:35:02.960
You know, this makes sense, let's do it.

578
00:35:05.679 --> 00:35:08.840
We had always planned to go there at some point

579
00:35:09.039 --> 00:35:12.800
or another because one of our staff writers that was

580
00:35:12.880 --> 00:35:16.400
there all the way from season one was a fine

581
00:35:16.440 --> 00:35:19.159
writer named DeAndre Pendleton Thompson who happened to be the

582
00:35:19.280 --> 00:35:22.920
writer's assistant on Star Trek the Cards season one. So

583
00:35:23.480 --> 00:35:27.000
we knew all of that was happening as we were

584
00:35:27.039 --> 00:35:34.320
writing our show, and so we knew that that's, you know,

585
00:35:34.840 --> 00:35:37.679
our show beginning towards the end of twenty three eighty three.

586
00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:40.679
It was not that far away from twenty three eighty

587
00:35:40.760 --> 00:35:43.360
five and the synth attack and everything that went wrong

588
00:35:43.440 --> 00:35:47.960
with the more romulan evacuation and such. But rather than

589
00:35:48.159 --> 00:35:50.760
just shying away from that and saying we're never going

590
00:35:50.840 --> 00:35:53.199
to deal with that or not going to reference it,

591
00:35:54.760 --> 00:35:58.199
our instinct as writers tends to be go where the

592
00:35:58.320 --> 00:36:03.920
danger is and see what interesting stories we can carve

593
00:36:04.000 --> 00:36:07.760
out for that as it pertains to our characters, and

594
00:36:08.400 --> 00:36:11.639
especially with the children of Mars, and it was pretty

595
00:36:11.679 --> 00:36:14.840
clear that this was sort of their version of sort

596
00:36:14.880 --> 00:36:17.760
of a nine to eleven or some great galactic tragedy

597
00:36:17.880 --> 00:36:21.639
that as someone who was about the age of the

598
00:36:21.719 --> 00:36:26.039
Prodigy folks when that happened, I felt, I felt like

599
00:36:26.159 --> 00:36:29.280
it was important for us to tackle that, not the

600
00:36:29.400 --> 00:36:32.320
least of which to show younger viewers that you know,

601
00:36:32.920 --> 00:36:36.840
tragedy and conflict and scary things are going to happen,

602
00:36:37.000 --> 00:36:40.039
and it's not about shielding yourself from them, but rather,

603
00:36:40.920 --> 00:36:46.559
you know, looking for the helpers and understanding that you

604
00:36:46.639 --> 00:36:48.840
can get through anything as long as you have each other.

605
00:36:49.480 --> 00:36:52.320
And so that's kind of we knew that was coming,

606
00:36:53.599 --> 00:36:56.639
and when it became obvious to us that season two,

607
00:36:57.000 --> 00:36:58.679
it made sense for us to address it at the

608
00:36:58.800 --> 00:37:02.400
end of the season. We were writing towards it pretty

609
00:37:02.480 --> 00:37:03.599
much from the beginning.

610
00:37:04.599 --> 00:37:09.039
Whose idea was it to bring back Ronnie Cox as Jellico.

611
00:37:11.920 --> 00:37:16.679
So originally we were looking for not a aadmiral per se,

612
00:37:17.000 --> 00:37:20.840
but just a tough as nails admiral who would make

613
00:37:20.920 --> 00:37:24.960
for a good foil against the headstrong and tough Janeway.

614
00:37:26.440 --> 00:37:29.960
And I believe it was David mack. Mack when on

615
00:37:30.079 --> 00:37:33.239
a calls that. If you know David Mack, he was

616
00:37:33.599 --> 00:37:37.440
a writer for a number of Star Trek novels, excellent writer.

617
00:37:37.760 --> 00:37:40.400
He also wrote for Deep Stace nine. But on a

618
00:37:40.440 --> 00:37:42.639
phone call with him, he suggested, why don't you, why

619
00:37:42.639 --> 00:37:46.159
don't you bring back Jellico. He's he definitely served that

620
00:37:46.360 --> 00:37:49.880
role in TNG, and as soon as he said it,

621
00:37:49.920 --> 00:37:52.000
we were all like, yes, it needs to be Jellico,

622
00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:54.920
but will Ronnie Cox do it? And as soon as

623
00:37:54.960 --> 00:37:57.320
we reached out to him, he was so excited because

624
00:37:57.440 --> 00:38:00.400
you know, he had come to realize how much fans

625
00:38:01.519 --> 00:38:05.800
really latched onto his character in TNG. Even though he

626
00:38:05.920 --> 00:38:08.800
was only there for two episodes and never really referenced again,

627
00:38:09.960 --> 00:38:12.920
he left the lasting impression on the Star Trek community,

628
00:38:13.360 --> 00:38:16.000
and so when we gave him the option to reprise

629
00:38:16.079 --> 00:38:18.360
his role, he jumped on it and was so excited

630
00:38:18.400 --> 00:38:21.000
and was happy to do everything that he could to

631
00:38:21.079 --> 00:38:22.199
be a part of our show.

632
00:38:24.119 --> 00:38:29.639
It was an excellent addition for sure. Absolutely, we really

633
00:38:29.800 --> 00:38:34.719
enjoyed getting to discuss his character on the podcast.

634
00:38:35.440 --> 00:38:40.679
For sure. Question he was so excited.

635
00:38:41.599 --> 00:38:44.719
I know you're it's to jump in here, did you

636
00:38:44.760 --> 00:38:47.559
say me, Jim, Yeah, I don't want to take up

637
00:38:47.559 --> 00:38:48.079
all the time?

638
00:38:48.639 --> 00:38:51.360
No, no, no, I think we've been banging around great, right.

639
00:38:51.679 --> 00:38:55.199
I just think this is again, just a really terrific

640
00:38:55.800 --> 00:38:58.880
second season. And I'm sure there's not a lot you

641
00:38:58.920 --> 00:39:00.920
can tell us at the stage. Man, we're all hoping

642
00:39:01.039 --> 00:39:05.360
there's more, really hoping that the gods convened to give

643
00:39:05.400 --> 00:39:07.039
us a third season at some point. I mean, is

644
00:39:07.079 --> 00:39:11.519
there any inkling? I mean, it seems like streaming numbers

645
00:39:11.559 --> 00:39:13.760
have been pretty high from what I have been hearing.

646
00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:21.400
Yeah, the short answer is it's all in the almighty

647
00:39:21.480 --> 00:39:28.880
algorithm's hands right now. You're right that the numbers were

648
00:39:28.960 --> 00:39:33.119
actually quite good. I think Netflix released their numbers for

649
00:39:33.320 --> 00:39:35.840
the end of twenty twenty three and the first six

650
00:39:35.920 --> 00:39:40.239
months of this year, and I think in total we

651
00:39:40.960 --> 00:39:44.679
had something like twelve million hours watch, which is pretty good.

652
00:39:44.880 --> 00:39:47.920
That's you know, for just the first season, you know,

653
00:39:48.000 --> 00:39:49.960
the first twenty That was just for the first twenty

654
00:39:50.000 --> 00:39:54.400
episodes because the season two didn't drop until the second

655
00:39:54.480 --> 00:39:56.920
half of this year, so they're still collecting that data.

656
00:39:58.679 --> 00:40:01.079
So as far as I tell it does seem to

657
00:40:01.159 --> 00:40:04.719
be getting watched and more people are seeing it on

658
00:40:04.840 --> 00:40:08.400
Netflix they than they ever did on Paramount Plus previously.

659
00:40:08.679 --> 00:40:14.599
So fingers crossed, just keep watching. Like the Netflix is

660
00:40:14.639 --> 00:40:18.039
still collecting their data now for the and they analyze

661
00:40:18.039 --> 00:40:22.800
it in six months increments. So that's why we're spreading

662
00:40:22.840 --> 00:40:25.880
the word. Find two or three friends who've been meaning

663
00:40:25.960 --> 00:40:28.800
to check it out and encourage them to just give

664
00:40:28.840 --> 00:40:31.760
it a binge watch what man be sure to watch

665
00:40:31.800 --> 00:40:35.079
all twenty episodes to completion, because that's very important as well.

666
00:40:35.559 --> 00:40:38.719
But I think when you have a show that as

667
00:40:38.760 --> 00:40:42.880
well as well received as ours has been, there's always

668
00:40:42.960 --> 00:40:45.559
hope for more in some form, and I think the

669
00:40:45.679 --> 00:40:48.239
question is what form will that take? Or would be

670
00:40:48.239 --> 00:40:52.119
another season going to be a movie like they're doing

671
00:40:52.199 --> 00:40:56.960
the section thirty one. Who knows? Truly the horizons are

672
00:40:57.000 --> 00:40:57.519
wide open.

673
00:40:58.599 --> 00:41:00.599
I'm kind of find it myself ready for a Captain

674
00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:04.280
Chicote outing. I mean, Beltrand was just so freaking good

675
00:41:04.840 --> 00:41:08.079
in this He was just really he just had so

676
00:41:08.199 --> 00:41:12.039
many different emotional corners to explore with the character, and

677
00:41:12.199 --> 00:41:14.719
just I just felt that he took Chakota to a

678
00:41:14.760 --> 00:41:17.960
lot of different places. He was mentoring people while still

679
00:41:18.039 --> 00:41:21.320
dealing with his own you know, personal lack of you know,

680
00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:25.360
put in some things, and then getting that connection again

681
00:41:25.719 --> 00:41:28.320
with not just one Jane Way, but two. I mean,

682
00:41:28.360 --> 00:41:31.719
it was just so fantastic. Yeah, their charisma is just

683
00:41:31.880 --> 00:41:34.880
so strong together. I mean, they were just both of them.

684
00:41:34.920 --> 00:41:36.840
We were all We said this every week practically on

685
00:41:36.920 --> 00:41:40.400
the show. It's just like, Man, their performances, Kate Wilgrew

686
00:41:40.440 --> 00:41:42.800
and Robert Beltran, they're just off the chain. They were

687
00:41:42.960 --> 00:41:46.119
so good. They just they must just have been thrilled

688
00:41:46.199 --> 00:41:47.159
to have this opportunity.

689
00:41:48.719 --> 00:41:53.199
Paul absolutely. Robert and Kate both have told us how

690
00:41:53.239 --> 00:41:55.880
happy they were with the with the material we gave them,

691
00:41:55.960 --> 00:41:58.280
and it's a big reason why they came back to

692
00:41:58.320 --> 00:42:01.800
surprise these characters for us show. They saw they saw

693
00:42:01.920 --> 00:42:04.519
the scripts and realized that we were treating them with

694
00:42:04.599 --> 00:42:08.280
the utmost and respect and wanted to continue their journey

695
00:42:08.320 --> 00:42:12.079
how we could. And obviously the chemistry between those those

696
00:42:12.119 --> 00:42:15.840
two actors and characters has been the subject of considerable

697
00:42:16.719 --> 00:42:20.239
interests by the fans for some time, and we certainly

698
00:42:20.400 --> 00:42:23.800
didn't want to ignore that in our show. You know,

699
00:42:23.880 --> 00:42:26.079
I think I think there is a world where where

700
00:42:26.519 --> 00:42:29.480
their bond is so strong and it does almost feel

701
00:42:29.639 --> 00:42:33.800
like uh, you know Starcross lovers or something like how

702
00:42:34.159 --> 00:42:36.760
how they're speculating on what could have been and what

703
00:42:36.920 --> 00:42:41.199
could be. It was very rich in terms of storytelling, uh,

704
00:42:41.480 --> 00:42:43.239
and that we wanted to explore with them.

705
00:42:44.719 --> 00:42:46.800
Well, it was just a delight. I mean, it's like

706
00:42:46.920 --> 00:42:49.519
the you know, I mean, it's become the thing everyone says, right,

707
00:42:49.559 --> 00:42:52.079
it's like the hidden extra season of Voyager.

708
00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:53.719
Right, this is what we kind of got out of this.

709
00:42:53.840 --> 00:42:57.760
Yeah, just so so wonderful and just and just a

710
00:42:57.840 --> 00:43:00.119
couple of things else and I swear I passed over

711
00:43:00.239 --> 00:43:02.880
to someone else, but just I have to really just

712
00:43:04.320 --> 00:43:07.119
comment on what a visually striking show this is. The

713
00:43:07.800 --> 00:43:13.239
design aesthetics are just incredible. The folks who are you know,

714
00:43:13.559 --> 00:43:16.639
on the home planet, they're like the guards. When they're

715
00:43:16.800 --> 00:43:20.800
you know, uh, when pronouncements sort of being made to

716
00:43:20.920 --> 00:43:23.679
Gwin there, they have their faces kind of covered in masks,

717
00:43:24.920 --> 00:43:27.199
I'm not sure what the exact character names were. Man,

718
00:43:27.760 --> 00:43:31.480
that is it's like whole Middle Earth level, you know,

719
00:43:31.679 --> 00:43:34.360
elf design. I mean, it was just we're just so

720
00:43:34.559 --> 00:43:37.480
cool looking. I mean, but everything is so well designed

721
00:43:37.480 --> 00:43:39.840
to ships and just the way the environments that the

722
00:43:39.880 --> 00:43:45.039
planets are rendered and just really really incredibly striking.

723
00:43:46.920 --> 00:43:47.159
Yeah.

724
00:43:47.199 --> 00:43:50.960
I think especially when it came to having the opportunity

725
00:43:51.079 --> 00:43:55.239
to design our own home world, which is a tremendous

726
00:43:55.320 --> 00:43:57.599
rite of passage, I think for any Star Trek show,

727
00:43:59.519 --> 00:44:02.199
we wanted to seize that opportunity as best we could.

728
00:44:03.440 --> 00:44:06.719
And especially since we started top down with sort of

729
00:44:06.760 --> 00:44:12.519
the culture of solom being somewhat isolationist with elements of

730
00:44:12.599 --> 00:44:17.320
zelotry mixed with high technology. I think the description we

731
00:44:17.440 --> 00:44:21.320
gave our artists to play with was like, imagine sort

732
00:44:21.360 --> 00:44:25.079
of almost like a medieval going into the Renaissance era,

733
00:44:27.480 --> 00:44:32.480
or perhaps like Galileo's time when he had just instead

734
00:44:32.519 --> 00:44:35.039
of he instead of discovering that the Earth revolves around

735
00:44:35.039 --> 00:44:39.840
the sun, he discovered warp drive, you know. And and

736
00:44:40.039 --> 00:44:44.599
so that that's sort of almost inherent contradiction of of

737
00:44:44.719 --> 00:44:48.760
a sort of of a culture resistant to change suddenly

738
00:44:48.840 --> 00:44:53.239
being thrown open to the wider universe and the irrepressible

739
00:44:53.320 --> 00:44:56.360
knowledge that they are not alone in it made for

740
00:44:56.519 --> 00:44:59.559
some really interesting drama in a way that I don't

741
00:44:59.559 --> 00:45:02.800
think we had seen explored very thoroughly on Star Trek.

742
00:45:03.039 --> 00:45:06.679
We've obviously seen first contact episodes, but I don't know

743
00:45:06.719 --> 00:45:10.559
if we've seen first contact episodes where they are so

744
00:45:10.760 --> 00:45:14.679
technologically advanced but just culturally had no interest in exploring

745
00:45:14.760 --> 00:45:18.280
outside of, you know, their own world. And so we

746
00:45:18.639 --> 00:45:22.000
wanted to dive headfirst into that world building and make

747
00:45:22.079 --> 00:45:24.840
it seem like a beautiful but dangerous place that Gwyn

748
00:45:25.119 --> 00:45:26.760
was having a certain homecoming too.

749
00:45:28.920 --> 00:45:31.760
Well, there's just it's wonderful environments and just such great

750
00:45:31.840 --> 00:45:36.239
characters and the casting of the show, I mean, just

751
00:45:36.400 --> 00:45:39.039
to get you know, great legendary folks like cat Will

752
00:45:39.079 --> 00:45:44.519
Grew and Robert Bealtron and and Pricardo Back and Will Wheaton,

753
00:45:44.639 --> 00:45:47.760
and then you're peppering it with folks like Davey diggs

754
00:45:47.880 --> 00:45:52.719
Man and John Noble, so incredible. And of all of

755
00:45:52.760 --> 00:45:54.760
these people, the one that I think he kind of

756
00:45:54.880 --> 00:45:56.039
is like the stealth weapon.

757
00:45:56.119 --> 00:45:56.239
Right.

758
00:45:56.280 --> 00:45:58.239
You don't even a lot of times when I tell people,

759
00:45:58.320 --> 00:46:01.599
they're like, he's on that show what is Jason Alexander?

760
00:46:02.480 --> 00:46:03.760
Right? How did that come to be?

761
00:46:03.920 --> 00:46:06.199
Because it's just he's not playing a character I would think, well,

762
00:46:06.239 --> 00:46:10.800
that's clearly a Jason Alexander bart right, Yeah, it's all right.

763
00:46:11.440 --> 00:46:12.360
I love to know how that.

764
00:46:12.400 --> 00:46:14.760
Came to pass well.

765
00:46:14.880 --> 00:46:17.920
For Jason Alexander in particular, we wanted to find an

766
00:46:17.960 --> 00:46:21.599
actor who we knew would be able to go toe

767
00:46:21.679 --> 00:46:25.880
to toe with the intransigence of jankom Pog and that

768
00:46:26.039 --> 00:46:30.840
sort of stubbornness and brusqueness. And obviously Jason Alexander has

769
00:46:30.920 --> 00:46:33.840
made a whole career playing characters like that, like George

770
00:46:33.920 --> 00:46:37.800
Castanza and whatnot. But also we knew that Jason was

771
00:46:37.840 --> 00:46:40.920
a huge Star Trek fan and had in fact, you know,

772
00:46:41.079 --> 00:46:44.480
obviously he had been on Star Trek before as a

773
00:46:46.719 --> 00:46:50.159
member of that the name is Escaping the Mind the

774
00:46:50.199 --> 00:46:54.519
Fate Tank episode of Voyager where he but he played

775
00:46:54.559 --> 00:46:58.239
a very different person from George Costanza, and so when

776
00:46:58.320 --> 00:47:00.159
we brought him into the booth, he's like, you just

777
00:47:00.199 --> 00:47:02.800
want me to do George and and we were like, no,

778
00:47:03.039 --> 00:47:06.360
we want you to find something interesting. And that's where

779
00:47:06.519 --> 00:47:09.360
how he came about for this character of Doctor Noam

780
00:47:09.639 --> 00:47:11.559
and it. Actually, I think he does such a good

781
00:47:11.639 --> 00:47:15.840
job immediately recognize that it's that it's Jason Alexander, because

782
00:47:15.840 --> 00:47:19.000
he's so thoroughly created this kind of new character. It's

783
00:47:19.039 --> 00:47:22.760
sort of their stoic but equally imposing and and uh

784
00:47:23.800 --> 00:47:26.039
has has kind of like an odd sense of humor.

785
00:47:26.199 --> 00:47:31.880
But will will gladly point out why you're stupid, which

786
00:47:32.239 --> 00:47:36.960
obviously evokes bones. You know you you you pointy eared bastards,

787
00:47:37.239 --> 00:47:38.000
that sort of stuff.

788
00:47:39.239 --> 00:47:40.679
And you expect to tell her right to just be

789
00:47:40.840 --> 00:47:43.559
always aggressive, and he almost never is right. He's just

790
00:47:43.679 --> 00:47:46.880
kind of you know, refined and more intellectual and and

791
00:47:47.559 --> 00:47:48.559
and a little calmer.

792
00:47:50.599 --> 00:47:53.199
Yeah, he's he's a little taller, but everything he says

793
00:47:53.480 --> 00:47:56.239
is like it's almost like, as you're walking away, you're like,

794
00:47:56.280 --> 00:47:59.480
wait a second, he was insulting. Everything's gonna talkulate.

795
00:48:00.239 --> 00:48:04.400
I won't be aggressive. I'll be passive aggressive exactly.

796
00:48:05.039 --> 00:48:07.159
It's the ultimate passive aggressive teller ride.

797
00:48:07.559 --> 00:48:12.639
That's great, well, just a delightful you know, Cornya Kopia

798
00:48:12.639 --> 00:48:15.440
have wonderful episodes, man, and just I just we just

799
00:48:15.480 --> 00:48:18.199
sort of throw such big fans of the show here

800
00:48:18.239 --> 00:48:20.840
on the podcast, and I hope we're lucky enough to

801
00:48:20.920 --> 00:48:25.639
get more. But this was just a phenomenal, phenomenal run,

802
00:48:25.760 --> 00:48:28.840
and I'm just excited to see what comes next and

803
00:48:29.320 --> 00:48:32.760
really appreciate the chance to chat about this. So I'm

804
00:48:32.800 --> 00:48:37.280
going to my bouquet of podcast flowers over my shoulder

805
00:48:37.280 --> 00:48:40.480
and see which one of the other texperts will catch us.

806
00:48:40.519 --> 00:48:43.559
Who will it be? Who?

807
00:48:43.760 --> 00:48:43.800
Me?

808
00:48:44.199 --> 00:48:44.239
Me?

809
00:48:47.920 --> 00:48:51.039
Thank Paul, and you were looking at me outside. I

810
00:48:51.199 --> 00:48:53.920
thank you very much, appreciate that, Aaron. I have two

811
00:48:55.039 --> 00:48:56.880
quick topics I want to cover. One is like a

812
00:48:57.000 --> 00:48:59.599
plot based one, and one is a character based one.

813
00:48:59.639 --> 00:49:04.079
Actually character based on men have multiple parts, So let's

814
00:49:04.079 --> 00:49:06.840
start with the characters. Let's start with the character stuff.

815
00:49:06.880 --> 00:49:10.760
So I just wanted to say off the bat that

816
00:49:11.079 --> 00:49:13.679
one of my favorite parts of this show is that

817
00:49:16.039 --> 00:49:21.320
it is It's clearly a show that a family can

818
00:49:21.400 --> 00:49:25.000
watch together, and there's not a ton of Star Trek

819
00:49:25.119 --> 00:49:27.920
out there that that does that. I think that you

820
00:49:27.960 --> 00:49:30.360
could argue that you know, you can get maybe like

821
00:49:30.480 --> 00:49:33.440
teenagers to watch TG with you or whatever, but I

822
00:49:33.519 --> 00:49:35.440
will tell you as as the dad of now a

823
00:49:35.519 --> 00:49:37.559
fifteen year old, but like I've tried to get her

824
00:49:37.639 --> 00:49:40.599
to watch Star Trek for years, Prodigy is a show

825
00:49:40.679 --> 00:49:43.280
that that seems to be made for families, and so

826
00:49:43.440 --> 00:49:47.559
to me it seems sort of unique in the in

827
00:49:47.679 --> 00:49:51.000
the fact that when you're creating this thing, you're thinking

828
00:49:51.079 --> 00:49:54.920
about multiple audiences at a time, And I just wanted

829
00:49:55.000 --> 00:49:57.480
to ask you about that, like, how much of the

830
00:49:57.599 --> 00:50:00.480
time do you, you know, spend thinking gosh, is this

831
00:50:00.519 --> 00:50:02.360
appropriate for kids, or gosh is this going to be

832
00:50:02.440 --> 00:50:05.599
interesting to adults or those sorts of questions.

833
00:50:08.159 --> 00:50:12.519
Yeah, it's definitely you have to hold a lot of

834
00:50:12.679 --> 00:50:16.320
different audiences in your head at the same time. But

835
00:50:16.920 --> 00:50:19.280
that being said, we tried to make it a point

836
00:50:19.400 --> 00:50:22.639
never to talk down to children. Yeah, we always just

837
00:50:22.760 --> 00:50:25.239
tried to We always would start on a place of

838
00:50:25.360 --> 00:50:28.280
what makes for a good story that just happens to

839
00:50:28.360 --> 00:50:30.960
be about young people who are coming of age in

840
00:50:31.119 --> 00:50:36.079
this in the Greater Starfleet or Federation. And there were

841
00:50:36.159 --> 00:50:40.679
occasionally moments where we had to at least stop and

842
00:50:41.239 --> 00:50:45.800
ask like, is this too intense for younger audiences, or

843
00:50:46.559 --> 00:50:49.760
can we make this dynamic enough that they'll they won't

844
00:50:49.880 --> 00:50:56.320
get bored with this observation lounge debriefing scenes thing. Sure,

845
00:50:58.000 --> 00:51:00.760
but we always try to just tell a story that

846
00:51:00.880 --> 00:51:04.400
we would like as star Trek fans and as storytellers,

847
00:51:05.519 --> 00:51:08.239
and then made sure there was a thread that was

848
00:51:08.320 --> 00:51:13.079
at least relatable for younger people as well. But and

849
00:51:13.239 --> 00:51:15.199
in that way, I think we were able to strike

850
00:51:15.320 --> 00:51:20.639
that balance between shows that that were accessible by younger viewers,

851
00:51:20.800 --> 00:51:25.400
but we're entertaining to everybody, And you know, it's it's

852
00:51:25.519 --> 00:51:28.400
it's a delicate type rope to walk, for sure, and

853
00:51:28.559 --> 00:51:30.840
sometimes we kilt a little bit one way and sometimes

854
00:51:30.880 --> 00:51:34.519
we killed the other. But thankfully, Star Trek itself has

855
00:51:34.599 --> 00:51:38.400
always been a pretty big tenth franchise where even down

856
00:51:38.440 --> 00:51:41.920
to episode by episode, one episode you might have like

857
00:51:42.000 --> 00:51:46.679
a submarine, you know, thriller like Balance of Terror, and

858
00:51:46.760 --> 00:51:49.159
the next episode you might have a comedy like Trouble

859
00:51:49.199 --> 00:51:52.199
with Tripples, or the next one might be a western

860
00:51:52.320 --> 00:51:54.280
like if it's full of datas like you can you

861
00:51:54.360 --> 00:51:56.800
can go to all of these like intense or silly

862
00:51:57.360 --> 00:52:00.280
or fun or scary places and you could always come

863
00:52:00.360 --> 00:52:05.079
back to home of the starship that you're following. And

864
00:52:05.239 --> 00:52:08.280
so because of that, we felt like we had plenty

865
00:52:08.360 --> 00:52:13.719
of of a mandate to be able to be pustible

866
00:52:13.840 --> 00:52:16.880
off with our storytelling, to make it enjoyable by everybody.

867
00:52:17.719 --> 00:52:21.039
Yeah, I think that idea of just making good stories

868
00:52:21.320 --> 00:52:23.360
really comes through in the writing. One of my favorite

869
00:52:23.400 --> 00:52:26.400
parts is that I feel like in season two, each

870
00:52:26.519 --> 00:52:29.320
one of the characters, the major characters, feels like they

871
00:52:29.400 --> 00:52:33.639
have their own individual arcs that sort of become resolved.

872
00:52:33.719 --> 00:52:36.119
You know. It really feels like in this season, you know,

873
00:52:36.639 --> 00:52:40.760
Dall finally learns humility, and Gwen finally figures out how

874
00:52:40.800 --> 00:52:42.480
to be the leader that she was born to be,

875
00:52:42.840 --> 00:52:45.400
and you know, Jenkam finds out how to be like

876
00:52:45.599 --> 00:52:47.559
happy and useful all the time, which is really all

877
00:52:47.599 --> 00:52:50.239
he ever wants to do. Obviously, Rock is that a

878
00:52:50.280 --> 00:52:54.639
master scientists. They can figure anything out. And then we

879
00:52:54.840 --> 00:52:56.800
have and then we have Zero, And I think that

880
00:52:57.000 --> 00:53:01.159
Zero went through a very unique of a throughout this season.

881
00:53:01.800 --> 00:53:05.320
We have what I'll call the body swapping going on,

882
00:53:06.079 --> 00:53:10.639
and I just wanted to dig into that just.

883
00:53:10.639 --> 00:53:11.119
A little bit.

884
00:53:11.239 --> 00:53:15.719
So so Zero starts out with their kind of like

885
00:53:15.880 --> 00:53:19.840
Season one body and some stuff goes down, and they

886
00:53:19.880 --> 00:53:23.000
go to this planet and they get a new kind

887
00:53:23.039 --> 00:53:27.719
of humanoid body on this planet that everybody understands at

888
00:53:27.719 --> 00:53:30.800
the end of that episode is eventually going to decay.

889
00:53:31.400 --> 00:53:35.760
But it's a body that finally allows Zero to become

890
00:53:36.519 --> 00:53:37.920
kind of who they want to be, which is a

891
00:53:38.199 --> 00:53:41.199
which is an entity that feels things right, whether it's

892
00:53:41.280 --> 00:53:43.960
like taste or like the touch of a person or

893
00:53:44.840 --> 00:53:48.079
a smell or that sort of stuff. Because as cool

894
00:53:48.159 --> 00:53:51.800
as being a cloud might be, sometimes it's not so cool, right,

895
00:53:53.039 --> 00:53:56.159
So right, so, yeah, can you just talk just a

896
00:53:56.239 --> 00:54:00.440
little bit about the like, was this an idea Zero

897
00:54:00.679 --> 00:54:02.840
way from back in the day, or did this come

898
00:54:02.960 --> 00:54:06.000
up this season or can you just talk more about that.

899
00:54:06.079 --> 00:54:07.079
I'm super interested.

900
00:54:08.679 --> 00:54:13.199
Yeah, So, the seeds of Zero's journey were indeed planted

901
00:54:13.239 --> 00:54:16.519
all the way back in season one. You thought it

902
00:54:16.639 --> 00:54:22.000
was really interesting to have a non choreal character as

903
00:54:22.079 --> 00:54:25.840
a main cast member who would have to exist alongside

904
00:54:25.920 --> 00:54:31.079
and find a way to coexist with other creatures that

905
00:54:31.360 --> 00:54:35.119
had humanoid flesh and blood bodies. But we realized as

906
00:54:35.199 --> 00:54:39.679
you were exploring that with Zero that that also provides

907
00:54:39.679 --> 00:54:42.559
a bit of an emotional distance in a way, because

908
00:54:42.559 --> 00:54:45.320
you are sort of a stranger in a strange land

909
00:54:45.760 --> 00:54:49.079
in that regard, and even as you hear all of

910
00:54:49.159 --> 00:54:52.960
their thoughts, as Maducins are telepaths, you never quite know

911
00:54:53.079 --> 00:54:57.119
what it's like to be then and feel what they feel,

912
00:54:57.679 --> 00:55:01.400
and so we thought that that that sort of outsider

913
00:55:01.519 --> 00:55:07.320
ness for Zero and that belonging of theirs was something

914
00:55:07.440 --> 00:55:11.960
that was only going to grow as we moved into

915
00:55:12.039 --> 00:55:16.480
season two, and especially once we settled on the idea

916
00:55:16.519 --> 00:55:19.880
of doing something which you don't really see that often

917
00:55:20.079 --> 00:55:24.360
in Star Trek, which is, rather than ascending to some

918
00:55:24.599 --> 00:55:27.800
higher non corporeal form like you see in the TNG

919
00:55:27.960 --> 00:55:32.880
episode of Transfigurations or whatever, having having one of those

920
00:55:33.280 --> 00:55:36.960
non corporeal characters long to know what it was like

921
00:55:37.519 --> 00:55:41.119
or what it is like to taste and test, touch

922
00:55:41.960 --> 00:55:48.119
and feel, which is obviously the Pinocchio story that is

923
00:55:48.199 --> 00:55:51.599
ever Green and Star Trek. We saw it with with

924
00:55:52.360 --> 00:55:56.239
Fox back in cos wanting to embrace and learn more

925
00:55:56.280 --> 00:56:00.119
about his find his place between the foot volt in

926
00:56:00.159 --> 00:56:03.400
his human world. We definitely see it with Data wanting

927
00:56:03.480 --> 00:56:08.639
to become a human and Odo wanting to be a

928
00:56:08.800 --> 00:56:14.079
solid or know or have a relationship with solids at

929
00:56:14.159 --> 00:56:17.400
least despite the fact that he was a changeling, and

930
00:56:18.000 --> 00:56:21.280
we wanted to continue that that kind of tradition was

931
00:56:21.400 --> 00:56:24.239
Zero's journey, and you know it was. It was a

932
00:56:24.320 --> 00:56:27.360
difficult story to tell because obviously there are a lot

933
00:56:27.440 --> 00:56:31.079
of a lot of socially relevant things about body of

934
00:56:31.239 --> 00:56:36.719
tautonomy that are certainly still very much in the headlines today.

935
00:56:37.239 --> 00:56:39.159
But again, we didn't want to shy away from that

936
00:56:39.360 --> 00:56:44.599
sort of storytelling because that I felt that the best

937
00:56:44.639 --> 00:56:48.760
Star Trek often comes from taking sort of higher level

938
00:56:48.840 --> 00:56:52.880
ideas that are that are deeply rooted in social issues

939
00:56:52.920 --> 00:56:56.400
today and exploring them through the metaphor of science fiction.

940
00:56:57.679 --> 00:57:01.159
And we felt that the emotional truth of Zero finding

941
00:57:01.719 --> 00:57:04.920
a body that they felt comfortable with and having agency

942
00:57:05.039 --> 00:57:08.000
over that body was a story that we could tell,

943
00:57:08.719 --> 00:57:13.199
even if it was somewhat abstract as a non grporeal

944
00:57:13.559 --> 00:57:17.719
and ultimately, though they did go through considerable trial and tribulations,

945
00:57:18.519 --> 00:57:21.719
they did find a way through their own agency to

946
00:57:21.880 --> 00:57:24.360
create a body that both looked like the one that

947
00:57:24.480 --> 00:57:27.239
they designed for themselves back in season one, but had

948
00:57:27.280 --> 00:57:31.280
the ability to feel and to touch, which is the

949
00:57:31.400 --> 00:57:34.199
next step of their journey. And part of that I

950
00:57:34.239 --> 00:57:40.119
think also functioned as a kind of analog to being

951
00:57:40.199 --> 00:57:44.280
a teenager and growing up, and obviously teenagers experienced a

952
00:57:44.360 --> 00:57:47.400
lot of new, strange, new feelings, especially when it comes

953
00:57:47.480 --> 00:57:51.159
to relationships and how they perceive themselves in relation to

954
00:57:51.239 --> 00:57:56.400
other people, and so the relationship with Magelle felt like

955
00:57:56.440 --> 00:57:59.119
a nice icing on the cake for both of their characters,

956
00:58:00.400 --> 00:58:04.519
especially since the first and only other episode of Star

957
00:58:04.639 --> 00:58:07.440
Trek outside of our show that deals with the Dousins

958
00:58:08.119 --> 00:58:14.000
has the stock and the leader's name was Colos the

959
00:58:14.639 --> 00:58:18.559
Reduce in the original series, having this sort of mind

960
00:58:18.639 --> 00:58:21.920
meld gone wrong and a really intense sort of psychic connection,

961
00:58:22.440 --> 00:58:25.480
and we thought wouldn't be interesting to explore that in

962
00:58:25.639 --> 00:58:30.079
terms of kind of young love or infatuation, and so

963
00:58:30.199 --> 00:58:32.280
that's that's where that relationship was born out of.

964
00:58:33.360 --> 00:58:37.400
Well, their relationship definitely read through as something that started

965
00:58:38.159 --> 00:58:41.039
because they were both sort of science y types, you know,

966
00:58:41.239 --> 00:58:44.280
and they kind of had a natural connection with just

967
00:58:44.400 --> 00:58:46.679
like talking about stuff that they were both interested in.

968
00:58:47.320 --> 00:58:49.719
And then it sort of slowly developed and it was

969
00:58:49.920 --> 00:58:52.400
It was great because it wasn't like, oh, all of

970
00:58:52.400 --> 00:58:54.719
a sudden, they're interested in each other. It kind of

971
00:58:54.920 --> 00:58:59.440
slowly happened over the season, which I just really appreciated.

972
00:58:59.519 --> 00:59:03.000
And I tell you, these guys all know, when they

973
00:59:03.079 --> 00:59:06.039
did the finger thing and the finale, I out lost

974
00:59:06.119 --> 00:59:08.599
my ship because I was, like I was I was

975
00:59:08.719 --> 00:59:11.239
literally hoping all season that that was gonna be a

976
00:59:11.400 --> 00:59:14.000
thing that we saw in the finale and then we.

977
00:59:14.119 --> 00:59:14.719
Got to see it.

978
00:59:16.079 --> 00:59:17.760
So I just you know, I'm a kind of a

979
00:59:17.800 --> 00:59:21.639
sucker for Star Trek relationships. I love the Serru Tarina

980
00:59:21.760 --> 00:59:26.320
thing in Discovery, and so Zero and Michelle's relationship in

981
00:59:26.320 --> 00:59:28.920
the way that it's grown over this season has just

982
00:59:29.000 --> 00:59:31.199
been has just been great. So thank you for that.

983
00:59:32.920 --> 00:59:35.800
Yeah, absolutely, that was That was something we loved to

984
00:59:36.000 --> 00:59:37.199
exploring on the show.

985
00:59:37.960 --> 00:59:40.840
When it comes to designing characters like Michelle. So she's

986
00:59:40.880 --> 00:59:44.119
got you know, she's got probably the coolest haircut of

987
00:59:44.320 --> 00:59:48.519
any Vulcan we've seen. Like, did you guys just say,

988
00:59:48.719 --> 00:59:51.360
you know what, scrit We're done with just the straight

989
00:59:51.400 --> 00:59:54.000
across the front to Paul, Look, we want something with

990
00:59:54.119 --> 00:59:54.920
a little more flair.

991
00:59:55.599 --> 00:59:55.719
Was that?

992
00:59:55.840 --> 00:59:56.840
How was that decision made?

993
00:59:58.599 --> 01:00:02.480
Yeah, well she still has a little bit of that vulcanus, right,

994
01:00:03.199 --> 01:00:08.400
but we don't Yes, so we don't see that many

995
01:00:09.880 --> 01:00:13.760
young Vulcans in Star Trek. There's a few, but usually

996
01:00:13.840 --> 01:00:15.480
when we've seen them, it was like when you see

997
01:00:15.480 --> 01:00:18.360
a flashback of Tubac and you you find out that

998
01:00:18.440 --> 01:00:22.800
he had, you know, severe difficulty controlling his emotions and

999
01:00:22.880 --> 01:00:24.960
that sort of thing. So it's sort of a rebellious scene,

1000
01:00:25.000 --> 01:00:30.800
I guess, but we wanted to explore, like what other ways,

1001
01:00:32.679 --> 01:00:37.199
you know, young Vulcans might might be depicted, and we

1002
01:00:37.360 --> 01:00:39.599
realized that when you go all the way back to

1003
01:00:41.840 --> 01:00:45.480
a muck Time of the original series episode Uh, there's

1004
01:00:45.480 --> 01:00:49.360
a character named te Poo who is described as as

1005
01:00:50.000 --> 01:00:53.480
all vulcan wrapped up into one yes, and if you

1006
01:00:53.599 --> 01:00:56.320
look at that, she's wearing a headdress and cooking out

1007
01:00:56.360 --> 01:00:59.280
of the headdress are braids of hair and there are

1008
01:00:59.360 --> 01:01:02.760
two streaks of white hair braided into that. And we

1009
01:01:02.880 --> 01:01:09.000
thought that was really interesting because we wanted Magelle to

1010
01:01:09.639 --> 01:01:13.119
represent in many ways, you know, to be the vulcanist

1011
01:01:13.199 --> 01:01:16.440
Vulcan and to be like the epidity of Starfleet and

1012
01:01:16.599 --> 01:01:20.559
no nonsense by the books kind of officer in training,

1013
01:01:21.719 --> 01:01:24.960
and we thought would be cool if if we had

1014
01:01:25.079 --> 01:01:30.639
a callback to that variation and suggests, however, tangentially that

1015
01:01:30.760 --> 01:01:33.840
maybe she was part of that same house that was

1016
01:01:34.559 --> 01:01:37.559
among the rulership ruled the ruling class of Vulcan back

1017
01:01:37.599 --> 01:01:40.239
in the day, like to Pow And so that was

1018
01:01:40.320 --> 01:01:42.840
kind of how we arrived at that and also been

1019
01:01:43.039 --> 01:01:50.119
Ybonn and Alex Alexei Alessandro Taini both wanted to try

1020
01:01:50.199 --> 01:01:52.199
something new and so that we had a little back

1021
01:01:52.280 --> 01:01:54.760
and forth and and that's that was the design we

1022
01:01:54.880 --> 01:01:58.159
arrived on, of having those sort of frosted tips to

1023
01:01:58.239 --> 01:02:02.280
be an homage to pe pal back in pos Well.

1024
01:02:02.480 --> 01:02:04.880
That was not lost on us, I think either. I

1025
01:02:04.920 --> 01:02:06.440
think the pow was the first one that came to

1026
01:02:06.519 --> 01:02:08.599
mind with the longside burns, and then I was like,

1027
01:02:08.840 --> 01:02:11.000
but maybe Mogelle is just a little bit punk rock too,

1028
01:02:11.199 --> 01:02:14.840
because she's got to light that also, Yeah, I.

1029
01:02:14.920 --> 01:02:16.559
Kind of like, what does that look like at two

1030
01:02:16.639 --> 01:02:17.400
hundred years later?

1031
01:02:17.840 --> 01:02:20.760
Totally yeah, And I kind of always knew that, you know,

1032
01:02:21.039 --> 01:02:24.840
she was of course going to be on the cruise team,

1033
01:02:25.039 --> 01:02:27.960
right like she sort of starts out as part of

1034
01:02:28.000 --> 01:02:30.519
this what is it Nova squadron, she's in the Nova

1035
01:02:30.559 --> 01:02:34.000
squad and then she sort of becomes part of, you know,

1036
01:02:34.159 --> 01:02:38.920
our main cruise team. And that transition I think was

1037
01:02:39.079 --> 01:02:43.239
really smooth because it incorporated not only like friendship and

1038
01:02:43.559 --> 01:02:45.719
logic and all of the sort of things that you

1039
01:02:45.760 --> 01:02:47.360
would expect from the show, but then there was like

1040
01:02:47.480 --> 01:02:49.960
the little extra zero part of it too, which made

1041
01:02:49.960 --> 01:02:53.079
her a little bit more interesting. So just multiple layers

1042
01:02:53.159 --> 01:02:55.400
there of how Migelle was able to join the team.

1043
01:02:55.599 --> 01:02:56.760
I appreciated.

1044
01:02:58.159 --> 01:03:01.480
The cool I'm.

1045
01:03:01.320 --> 01:03:03.119
Gonna pass this on to Charles here in a second,

1046
01:03:03.159 --> 01:03:04.960
but I have to ask you one last question before

1047
01:03:04.960 --> 01:03:06.760
I go. What's your favorite Star Trek movie?

1048
01:03:09.199 --> 01:03:12.320
Gosh, I bounce around. When I was young, it was

1049
01:03:12.400 --> 01:03:17.960
First Contact, but lately I find myself going towards Voyage Foam,

1050
01:03:18.039 --> 01:03:18.960
the one with the whales.

1051
01:03:19.519 --> 01:03:22.280
Love it, love it, great choices. Thank you Eron for

1052
01:03:22.360 --> 01:03:24.320
talking to me so much. Charles.

1053
01:03:24.320 --> 01:03:27.480
I'm gonna pass the mic over to you, buddy, all right,

1054
01:03:27.639 --> 01:03:28.360
Thank you Eric.

1055
01:03:29.119 --> 01:03:33.400
Well, our friend David asked a question first, I'm gonna

1056
01:03:33.400 --> 01:03:36.400
throw it out. He was curious about the origin.

1057
01:03:36.119 --> 01:03:36.639
Of the loom.

1058
01:03:39.159 --> 01:03:43.880
Sure, so obviously for season two we didn't want to

1059
01:03:44.000 --> 01:03:48.400
just have another kind of obsessed mad man with a point.

1060
01:03:48.800 --> 01:03:53.760
You know, there's obviously a long history of Captain ahab

1061
01:03:53.880 --> 01:03:57.599
asked characters in Star Trek con being chief among them.

1062
01:03:58.519 --> 01:04:03.039
You know, that's sort of obsessive captain who goes awry

1063
01:04:03.159 --> 01:04:06.039
at some point. So we wanted to kind of zoom

1064
01:04:06.079 --> 01:04:08.440
out and look at what other adversaries you faced in

1065
01:04:08.559 --> 01:04:11.760
Star Trek, and I think we realized that with the

1066
01:04:11.840 --> 01:04:16.360
Borg essentially defeated during this timeframe, we wanted to look

1067
01:04:16.400 --> 01:04:22.119
at the possibility of inventing a new existential threat that

1068
01:04:22.239 --> 01:04:29.039
would be scary and feel like a genuine, insurmountable opponent

1069
01:04:29.639 --> 01:04:32.840
the way that the Borg felt when we first encountered

1070
01:04:32.880 --> 01:04:36.199
them back and I think it was Q who when

1071
01:04:37.079 --> 01:04:41.280
Q snaps their stats as Fingers launches the enterprise game

1072
01:04:41.360 --> 01:04:44.159
of the Delta quadri and all of their weapons are

1073
01:04:44.280 --> 01:04:47.239
useless and they start boarding and trying to assimilate people,

1074
01:04:48.159 --> 01:04:49.840
and they're like, get us out of here, and you

1075
01:04:49.960 --> 01:04:55.800
feel so helpless and overwhelmed that you understand how terrifying

1076
01:04:55.920 --> 01:05:02.280
the board were because they were unknowable and insurmountable, and

1077
01:05:02.440 --> 01:05:08.039
so we wanted to We began to kind of look

1078
01:05:08.199 --> 01:05:12.800
at what creatures were already out there, like Species eight

1079
01:05:12.840 --> 01:05:17.079
four seven two and the Board, and then then we

1080
01:05:17.159 --> 01:05:20.320
started to think about the context of our second season,

1081
01:05:20.400 --> 01:05:24.800
which is obviously that time is getting manipulated and starting

1082
01:05:24.840 --> 01:05:29.559
to unravel, and that then that opened up the question of, well,

1083
01:05:29.920 --> 01:05:33.159
if time is unraveling, if and there's these holes in

1084
01:05:33.239 --> 01:05:37.840
the universe, then what could slip through? And you know,

1085
01:05:37.960 --> 01:05:41.159
we we love all science fiction. Uh, and there's a

1086
01:05:41.639 --> 01:05:47.880
lot of examples of extra dimensional beings in science fiction

1087
01:05:48.119 --> 01:05:53.639
that that eats time, or eat eat paradoxes or or whatnot.

1088
01:05:53.960 --> 01:05:57.320
There's like the Langaliers and the I think they're called

1089
01:05:57.400 --> 01:06:02.639
the weavers in Doctor Who. There's a whole TV Tropes

1090
01:06:02.840 --> 01:06:07.320
article about them. I think they're called clock roaches. And

1091
01:06:08.800 --> 01:06:11.639
so we thought, well, let's put our own spin on that.

1092
01:06:11.960 --> 01:06:16.159
And as we're trying to tie together as best we

1093
01:06:16.280 --> 01:06:19.960
could all the many seemingly contradictory ways that time travel

1094
01:06:19.960 --> 01:06:23.239
has been depicted in Star Trek, maybe that there's just

1095
01:06:23.519 --> 01:06:26.880
each of those ways that time travel has been seen

1096
01:06:27.519 --> 01:06:31.840
is just variations of different circumstances of this greater multiverse

1097
01:06:32.320 --> 01:06:35.519
that we've already seen glimpses of and episodes like Parallels,

1098
01:06:36.159 --> 01:06:38.840
And even when the traveler first shows up, he says like,

1099
01:06:39.000 --> 01:06:41.719
I came from a different time and a different dimension,

1100
01:06:41.800 --> 01:06:45.960
and I'm just passing through. And so obviously when we

1101
01:06:46.159 --> 01:06:49.119
talked about bringing Wesley Crusher in, we wanted to say, well,

1102
01:06:49.159 --> 01:06:52.360
what would a traveler fear? Somebody who can traverse all

1103
01:06:52.400 --> 01:06:56.440
these space, time and dimensions. And we realized that, oh,

1104
01:06:56.480 --> 01:07:00.599
it would be another race that has all the abilities

1105
01:07:00.639 --> 01:07:05.400
that a traveler does, but is more sort of I guess, fimal,

1106
01:07:06.440 --> 01:07:11.239
and doesn't necessarily have the moral qualms or obligations that

1107
01:07:11.360 --> 01:07:16.000
they do, and simply are scavengers, are carrying birds of

1108
01:07:16.119 --> 01:07:19.920
the universe that if you screw up time, they're gonna

1109
01:07:19.920 --> 01:07:22.320
come eat you. And that's that like a truly a

1110
01:07:22.440 --> 01:07:25.360
force of nature in the literal sense. And so that's

1111
01:07:25.440 --> 01:07:27.880
kind of how we arrived at the Loom such as

1112
01:07:27.920 --> 01:07:29.840
they are, and it seems like we did a good

1113
01:07:29.920 --> 01:07:31.440
job with it because a lot of people said they

1114
01:07:31.920 --> 01:07:33.280
were really freaked out by them.

1115
01:07:35.480 --> 01:07:41.840
In fact, the day I saw the episode that first

1116
01:07:41.920 --> 01:07:45.639
time I saw the Loom, I immediately thought about limit

1117
01:07:45.880 --> 01:07:46.440
Doctor Who.

1118
01:07:47.199 --> 01:07:50.880
We have the same creatures who come in swooping down

1119
01:07:51.639 --> 01:07:55.440
taking people. It's like, okay, that's exactly what the Loom do.

1120
01:07:56.719 --> 01:07:58.679
And I just loved how I kind of got that

1121
01:07:58.760 --> 01:08:02.159
feeling of that Doctor Who feeling with that the creation

1122
01:08:02.320 --> 01:08:02.599
of them.

1123
01:08:03.280 --> 01:08:06.079
Well in Charles, between that and the Wesley thing channeling

1124
01:08:06.159 --> 01:08:08.960
the Eleventh Doctor, I think we were both very satisfied

1125
01:08:09.039 --> 01:08:11.360
with the sort of Doctor Who nas of season two

1126
01:08:11.400 --> 01:08:11.920
of Prodigy.

1127
01:08:13.400 --> 01:08:19.399
Yeah, definitely, sure, Yeah, there's there was also even in

1128
01:08:19.760 --> 01:08:23.359
in TNG there are creatures that eat paradox time I

1129
01:08:23.439 --> 01:08:26.279
believe it called the Davidians that you see in Time zero,

1130
01:08:26.439 --> 01:08:28.880
which is one of my personal favorite episodes. So we

1131
01:08:29.000 --> 01:08:31.760
kind of just mushed it all together and found, you know, this,

1132
01:08:32.159 --> 01:08:34.880
this whole other wing of the Travelers and their and

1133
01:08:34.960 --> 01:08:36.119
their mortal foes.

1134
01:08:38.239 --> 01:08:43.880
Well, speaking speaking of who came up with the assignment

1135
01:08:44.039 --> 01:08:45.520
Earth Office.

1136
01:08:48.760 --> 01:08:53.640
I think that might have been me. I. I definitely

1137
01:08:54.760 --> 01:08:57.920
was a writer on those that two partner, and I

1138
01:08:58.199 --> 01:09:03.039
think I realized when we were going there, like especially

1139
01:09:03.159 --> 01:09:06.319
when when we had some conversations with the Kiva, Goldsman

1140
01:09:06.920 --> 01:09:10.159
and UH and and then eventually Terry Metalis about UH

1141
01:09:10.760 --> 01:09:15.079
their their integration of the Travelers as well as UH

1142
01:09:15.720 --> 01:09:19.239
the Supervisors and whatnot into into Picard.

1143
01:09:20.159 --> 01:09:20.279
Uh.

1144
01:09:21.479 --> 01:09:24.880
I was like, I I was pretty insistent, but it's like,

1145
01:09:24.960 --> 01:09:27.560
if we're going there, let's do it like they they

1146
01:09:27.640 --> 01:09:31.640
are all of one flow. So if we're answering the

1147
01:09:31.760 --> 01:09:35.960
question who sent Gary seven to Earth to you know,

1148
01:09:36.119 --> 01:09:39.640
help that that spaceship last, let's make it clear it

1149
01:09:39.760 --> 01:09:43.039
was the travelers. And once we got once we had

1150
01:09:43.079 --> 01:09:46.039
the opportunity to go to the traveler whole world it

1151
01:09:46.159 --> 01:09:49.399
seemed obvious to us, like why not show that there

1152
01:09:49.439 --> 01:09:53.960
are wings to this trans dimensional time ziggurat that are

1153
01:09:54.039 --> 01:09:58.079
straight up just where Gary seven got trained. And I

1154
01:09:58.560 --> 01:10:02.880
love those bold swings and are my favorite parts of

1155
01:10:03.760 --> 01:10:07.840
our show. Where we're we have like perhaps the audacity

1156
01:10:07.960 --> 01:10:12.119
to work in a reference to a you know, a

1157
01:10:12.239 --> 01:10:16.920
random episode of cos that I don't think anybody expected

1158
01:10:16.960 --> 01:10:20.680
to see again, let alone recreate the office with such

1159
01:10:20.760 --> 01:10:24.680
fidelity that people immediately knew it who understood the assignment?

1160
01:10:27.039 --> 01:10:31.800
Oh definitely. I was curious how it was working with

1161
01:10:31.960 --> 01:10:35.920
Gates McFadden and finally bringing Beverly back.

1162
01:10:37.800 --> 01:10:41.479
Yeah, well, Gates has always been a great friend to

1163
01:10:41.600 --> 01:10:44.920
our show. If you remember, way even way back in

1164
01:10:45.039 --> 01:10:49.760
season in episode one or episode six of season one, uh,

1165
01:10:50.000 --> 01:10:54.600
in the the Kobayashi episode, we were lucky enough to

1166
01:10:54.640 --> 01:10:57.399
have Gates come in and record some original lines for

1167
01:10:57.560 --> 01:11:01.880
our for that Holodeck program to help tie it all together.

1168
01:11:03.239 --> 01:11:05.880
And so when it became obvious that we were telling

1169
01:11:05.960 --> 01:11:09.159
the story of Wesley by extension, we realized we were

1170
01:11:09.239 --> 01:11:13.800
really telling the story of the Crushers, and especially talking

1171
01:11:13.880 --> 01:11:17.800
with Terry mettallis uh uh and what they were able

1172
01:11:17.880 --> 01:11:21.039
to do and what didn't have time to do in Picard,

1173
01:11:22.079 --> 01:11:24.640
we realized it was it was the perfect opportunity to

1174
01:11:24.760 --> 01:11:28.920
dovetail those our shows together, so it would tell one

1175
01:11:29.319 --> 01:11:34.680
one story across both of them. And you know, Wesley's

1176
01:11:34.760 --> 01:11:39.760
journey with his family is sort of like so indelible

1177
01:11:39.840 --> 01:11:44.000
to his arc, where he's a little bit like how

1178
01:11:44.079 --> 01:11:47.840
some captains are married to the sea, Wesley is married

1179
01:11:47.920 --> 01:11:51.640
to the cosmos. But in going so far afield to

1180
01:11:51.760 --> 01:11:54.800
us sensibly protect the ones he loves, he kind of

1181
01:11:54.880 --> 01:11:59.880
forgot what it meant to be connected to that very

1182
01:12:00.119 --> 01:12:04.079
family was that he had left behind, and so our young,

1183
01:12:04.359 --> 01:12:06.720
our young crew kind of reminds him of that and

1184
01:12:06.880 --> 01:12:10.000
helps him, and his journey with them helps him realize

1185
01:12:10.039 --> 01:12:15.800
that he doesn't have to completely abandon his previous life

1186
01:12:16.199 --> 01:12:20.159
just because he himself has moved on. And so Gates

1187
01:12:21.520 --> 01:12:25.600
loved the idea that we would have an opportunity for

1188
01:12:25.680 --> 01:12:27.920
her to reconnect with his son, but she also really

1189
01:12:28.000 --> 01:12:33.359
wanted to make sure that we remained bittersweet, because so

1190
01:12:33.520 --> 01:12:36.039
much of her character as we see her in the

1191
01:12:36.159 --> 01:12:41.079
card season three, is someone who who did perhaps have

1192
01:12:41.239 --> 01:12:44.680
a bitter sweet farewell with Lesley and had not seen

1193
01:12:44.760 --> 01:12:48.479
him for fifteen years, and so we were trying to

1194
01:12:48.560 --> 01:12:51.479
find a way to kind of bring closure but also

1195
01:12:52.359 --> 01:12:56.600
acknowledge that this is a scar, but at least there

1196
01:12:56.720 --> 01:13:00.399
is a chance to heal. And that's and that that

1197
01:13:00.640 --> 01:13:03.800
is very much something we worked on with Gates and

1198
01:13:04.000 --> 01:13:06.439
with Will and with Terry to make sure that all

1199
01:13:06.520 --> 01:13:09.239
of that connected in a very beautiful moment. And I

1200
01:13:09.680 --> 01:13:11.840
love their performance in that scene. It's beautiful.

1201
01:13:12.119 --> 01:13:15.119
Yes, I love that, And I love how you tied

1202
01:13:15.239 --> 01:13:18.319
the brother in and we could tie that into the

1203
01:13:18.439 --> 01:13:19.520
car season three.

1204
01:13:19.720 --> 01:13:20.920
That was that was great.

1205
01:13:22.920 --> 01:13:26.319
Yeah, once you realize the timeline lined up for that, Yeah,

1206
01:13:26.760 --> 01:13:27.359
we had to do it.

1207
01:13:30.640 --> 01:13:32.920
I know a lot of our fans really would love

1208
01:13:33.000 --> 01:13:35.920
to have a third season of Prodigy.

1209
01:13:37.439 --> 01:13:41.079
I was curious with if if you were to, if

1210
01:13:41.399 --> 01:13:43.560
they were to give you the green light to do it,

1211
01:13:44.720 --> 01:13:48.079
would you stick with the serial format or move to

1212
01:13:48.119 --> 01:13:54.039
an episodic format. Well, if you you know, if you really.

1213
01:13:53.840 --> 01:13:57.520
Pay attention to the last episode of season two, we

1214
01:13:58.199 --> 01:14:02.560
set up the series to effectively be following a training ship,

1215
01:14:02.800 --> 01:14:06.840
which by all accounts is an official Starfleet ship that

1216
01:14:07.079 --> 01:14:10.359
is out venturing out into the Cosmos to do Starfleet stuff.

1217
01:14:10.880 --> 01:14:14.640
So you know, we we've we effectively wrapped up the

1218
01:14:15.439 --> 01:14:21.439
chapters we had on UH dealing with the crew finding

1219
01:14:21.520 --> 01:14:23.479
their way to start Fleet and finding their place in it,

1220
01:14:24.000 --> 01:14:27.239
and now they finally have the chance to to be

1221
01:14:27.800 --> 01:14:32.920
those Starfleet officers they so desperately wanted, so effectively that

1222
01:14:33.760 --> 01:14:37.560
we've set set up our series to be just pure

1223
01:14:37.720 --> 01:14:41.199
Star Trek through and through and be a little bit

1224
01:14:41.239 --> 01:14:46.079
more anthological or episodic in a way that our our

1225
01:14:46.159 --> 01:14:51.159
heavily serialized story UH didn't allow us to do as much,

1226
01:14:52.399 --> 01:14:54.920
which is totally fine. You know, there's there's shows like

1227
01:14:55.000 --> 01:14:58.239
Deep Based nine that did heavily serialized Star Trek beautifully.

1228
01:14:59.359 --> 01:15:03.640
But I think we're we're excited to explore more episodes

1229
01:15:03.680 --> 01:15:04.560
of the Week certainly.

1230
01:15:06.239 --> 01:15:08.680
Yeah, I think I would be great because I think

1231
01:15:08.880 --> 01:15:11.760
it was nice to see. We love Discovery with the

1232
01:15:11.920 --> 01:15:12.800
serial story.

1233
01:15:13.479 --> 01:15:15.079
We also love.

1234
01:15:17.600 --> 01:15:20.279
The I can in the new one where were.

1235
01:15:20.359 --> 01:15:23.760
Like the world going too. Yeah.

1236
01:15:25.800 --> 01:15:29.640
Yeah, for sure, I love All Star Trek. So I'm

1237
01:15:29.680 --> 01:15:32.640
excited to vote to tell a lot more episodes of

1238
01:15:32.680 --> 01:15:33.319
the Weeks for sure.

1239
01:15:33.960 --> 01:15:38.079
Okay, we're gonna pass it back, but I think Eric's

1240
01:15:38.119 --> 01:15:41.279
got a question. Then I think I'm gonna also after

1241
01:15:41.439 --> 01:15:43.479
Eric's question, I'm going to throw a new question at you.

1242
01:15:44.239 --> 01:15:47.760
Well, I don't really have a question I have I

1243
01:15:48.359 --> 01:15:50.279
you know, I've been reading the Internet and people are

1244
01:15:50.720 --> 01:15:53.560
just talking about different shows that they'd love to see,

1245
01:15:53.640 --> 01:15:59.640
and I'm curious, do you do you know, do you

1246
01:15:59.720 --> 01:16:02.520
have any other ideas for shows that you would love

1247
01:16:02.640 --> 01:16:04.640
to see come to fruition at some.

1248
01:16:04.720 --> 01:16:11.960
Point, shows like Star Trek shows, shows and shows.

1249
01:16:11.319 --> 01:16:13.800
Specifically specifically Star Trek shows.

1250
01:16:13.960 --> 01:16:18.960
Yeah, yeah, I do. Yes, I have an idea for

1251
01:16:19.199 --> 01:16:22.920
a show actually that I would love to pitch when

1252
01:16:22.920 --> 01:16:26.920
the time is right. You know, at the moment, there's

1253
01:16:27.279 --> 01:16:30.319
obviously Paramount is in the process as a big merger

1254
01:16:30.560 --> 01:16:34.640
and and everyone is scaling back and Paramount pluses figuring

1255
01:16:34.680 --> 01:16:37.359
out it's slate and stuff. So I'm probably gonna have

1256
01:16:37.359 --> 01:16:40.600
to wait a little bit to pitch it. But I

1257
01:16:40.680 --> 01:16:42.920
do have a Star Trek idea that I think would

1258
01:16:42.920 --> 01:16:48.279
be very exciting, very anthological, and could go any place

1259
01:16:48.439 --> 01:16:52.159
anytime in a way that hard for Star Trek fans

1260
01:16:52.279 --> 01:16:56.399
and brand new fans who just love good sci fi

1261
01:16:56.960 --> 01:16:59.399
would enjoy. I don't want to say too much more

1262
01:16:59.439 --> 01:17:03.039
about it because I want to pitch the show, of course,

1263
01:17:03.359 --> 01:17:06.279
of course, but I definitely have some ideas.

1264
01:17:06.880 --> 01:17:10.039
I love it. You know, we we're always talking about

1265
01:17:10.560 --> 01:17:14.279
alternative style shows here, and two ideas that have come

1266
01:17:14.399 --> 01:17:18.239
up around here have been a thiss old house style

1267
01:17:18.359 --> 01:17:22.039
show where we actually get to get to see how

1268
01:17:22.479 --> 01:17:26.640
Jordi restored the Enterprise d along the way, you know,

1269
01:17:27.119 --> 01:17:30.720
or or even another show starring Jordi where he takes

1270
01:17:30.800 --> 01:17:34.239
us on tours of all of the cool ships that

1271
01:17:34.359 --> 01:17:37.760
he has at the at the Starfleet Museum there. So

1272
01:17:38.319 --> 01:17:39.359
those are our ideas.

1273
01:17:41.399 --> 01:17:45.800
I mean those honestly that they are always looking for

1274
01:17:45.920 --> 01:17:48.520
out of the box ideas, so who knows there might

1275
01:17:48.640 --> 01:17:50.079
there may be a place for that in the Star

1276
01:17:50.199 --> 01:17:50.840
Trek universe.

1277
01:17:51.000 --> 01:17:53.159
I would totally watch either one of those shows.

1278
01:17:53.239 --> 01:17:59.039
Thanks all right, I want to I wanted to jump

1279
01:17:59.239 --> 01:18:05.000
back and a little bit and talk about when Star

1280
01:18:05.079 --> 01:18:09.039
Trek did their one of their anniversaries and it tied

1281
01:18:09.039 --> 01:18:12.880
to create this little theory. It is called very Short Treks.

1282
01:18:14.239 --> 01:18:16.640
And we kind of happened hard at some of them.

1283
01:18:17.000 --> 01:18:21.079
Well, we got to like the one episode we found

1284
01:18:21.119 --> 01:18:26.479
out that Wilkie was involved with. I would love yeah

1285
01:18:26.640 --> 01:18:27.560
story about that one.

1286
01:18:29.880 --> 01:18:34.520
Well, Very Short Treks is an interesting experience because it

1287
01:18:34.920 --> 01:18:40.159
all went very quickly. Essentially, Secret Hideout called me and said, hey,

1288
01:18:40.399 --> 01:18:43.760
we wanted to make some a few animated short sulmost

1289
01:18:43.920 --> 01:18:47.479
like some comedy sketches that were set in the Star

1290
01:18:47.520 --> 01:18:50.439
Trek universe that would be animated in the style of

1291
01:18:50.520 --> 01:18:55.239
the animated the original seventies animated series as this kind

1292
01:18:55.279 --> 01:18:59.479
of celebration of Star Trek uh for the to the anniversary.

1293
01:18:59.640 --> 01:19:02.199
Would you be interested? And before they even finished, I

1294
01:19:02.279 --> 01:19:06.039
was like, yeah, I'm in. So I founded like a

1295
01:19:06.359 --> 01:19:10.319
lot of fun. So essentially I just I came up

1296
01:19:10.359 --> 01:19:12.600
with four or five ideas so what I thought could

1297
01:19:12.640 --> 01:19:19.079
be fun sort of humorous Star Trek sketches and pitched

1298
01:19:19.119 --> 01:19:26.319
them to the to the showrunner Casper, and he he

1299
01:19:26.439 --> 01:19:29.039
picked one. Actually he picked two that he liked, and

1300
01:19:29.119 --> 01:19:33.239
I wrote the scripts and then we wound up. Of

1301
01:19:33.359 --> 01:19:35.800
those two, they went to Alex Kirtzman and he picked

1302
01:19:35.840 --> 01:19:40.079
one to animate. I think the other one that I

1303
01:19:40.439 --> 01:19:43.319
that I wrote that that didn't get picked, but that

1304
01:19:43.760 --> 01:19:47.680
was quite funny was that the premise of it was

1305
01:19:47.720 --> 01:19:53.479
that Starfleet had finally Starfleet had finally updated their security

1306
01:19:53.560 --> 01:19:56.840
systems so they wouldn't get hacked so easily. Uh So

1307
01:19:57.039 --> 01:20:00.720
then Riker is on the on the Titan and there's

1308
01:20:00.880 --> 01:20:05.039
like a rogue borg invasion or something. But then suddenly

1309
01:20:05.279 --> 01:20:10.119
the as he's trying to activate the weapon systems, a

1310
01:20:10.520 --> 01:20:13.520
like a Google capture shows up that says like are

1311
01:20:13.600 --> 01:20:18.159
you a human? And he has to select piles on

1312
01:20:18.239 --> 01:20:20.680
the things like please find no the bulkans. I was like,

1313
01:20:20.720 --> 01:20:22.960
why are there focus then Rodulin on this they all

1314
01:20:23.239 --> 01:20:26.880
forty years and as he's trying to do this Google

1315
01:20:27.279 --> 01:20:30.039
capture in order to unlock the weapon systems would get

1316
01:20:30.079 --> 01:20:32.680
blown up. So that's that was the other idea that

1317
01:20:32.800 --> 01:20:39.239
I thought was kind of funny, But yes, the one

1318
01:20:39.279 --> 01:20:43.159
that was chosen the holograms all the way down. You know,

1319
01:20:43.399 --> 01:20:46.640
obviously I was poking gentle fun at at these are

1320
01:20:46.680 --> 01:20:53.119
the voyages the notorious series finale of Certric Enterprise, and

1321
01:20:53.880 --> 01:20:55.800
I kind of wanted to just take that to its

1322
01:20:56.079 --> 01:21:01.319
its logical kind of obserre conclusion of Starfleet officers would

1323
01:21:01.359 --> 01:21:07.079
watch holograms of other Star Trek episodes and be in

1324
01:21:07.560 --> 01:21:11.279
in no matter how tragic they were, just in order

1325
01:21:11.399 --> 01:21:13.279
to hear their head.

1326
01:21:14.600 --> 01:21:15.079
Or something.

1327
01:21:16.359 --> 01:21:18.880
And uh so it was it was really fun, and

1328
01:21:18.960 --> 01:21:22.560
I was like, well, let's let's just go like Fule

1329
01:21:23.399 --> 01:21:26.239
Scanner darkly or something with it, you know, where you

1330
01:21:26.319 --> 01:21:30.720
have no idea what's real and what's not. Uh yeah,

1331
01:21:30.880 --> 01:21:35.680
very Philip K. Dick because comedy sketch and uh. And

1332
01:21:36.239 --> 01:21:40.039
I kept writing in writing in these different Hologram programs

1333
01:21:40.079 --> 01:21:44.000
within Hologram programs, and they kept not saying no, And

1334
01:21:44.199 --> 01:21:47.279
so I said, I was like, you know what, I'll

1335
01:21:47.359 --> 01:21:49.479
just go all the way and try to represent every

1336
01:21:49.560 --> 01:21:54.479
single theories or crew if I can. And I did,

1337
01:21:54.640 --> 01:21:57.840
and and they managed to find actors from every every

1338
01:21:57.920 --> 01:22:00.279
series you were willing to come back and then tries

1339
01:22:00.319 --> 01:22:01.039
their roles for it.

1340
01:22:01.640 --> 01:22:01.800
Yeah.

1341
01:22:01.920 --> 01:22:04.520
That was It was very fun, very silly.

1342
01:22:05.119 --> 01:22:05.239
Uh.

1343
01:22:05.479 --> 01:22:08.520
And I'm I'm grateful that people enjoyed my episode as

1344
01:22:08.600 --> 01:22:09.199
much as they did.

1345
01:22:12.079 --> 01:22:16.600
Oh, thank you very much. Got past to the gym, Yeah,

1346
01:22:16.720 --> 01:22:20.960
thank you. Charles Aaron. Whose idea was it to have

1347
01:22:21.199 --> 01:22:23.079
Wesley were the sweaters?

1348
01:22:26.960 --> 01:22:30.279
I think I think it was might have been the Hagemans,

1349
01:22:30.680 --> 01:22:35.600
or maybe it was us. I don't totally remember, but

1350
01:22:36.079 --> 01:22:40.319
I remember we felt like, well, he's not in Starfleet anymore,

1351
01:22:41.680 --> 01:22:43.760
and what better way to show that he finally has

1352
01:22:43.880 --> 01:22:46.000
kind of grown into himself and who he was in

1353
01:22:46.079 --> 01:22:48.960
to be than to take one of his old sweaters and.

1354
01:22:50.159 --> 01:22:52.920
Him He's like, damn it, I want to wear this

1355
01:22:53.079 --> 01:22:54.800
sweater because I love this sweater.

1356
01:22:56.520 --> 01:23:00.199
Yeah, And and so we took the notorious pump in

1357
01:23:00.279 --> 01:23:03.880
Sweaters as I think Will referred to it as, and

1358
01:23:04.039 --> 01:23:08.840
we put it on him as an adult, and we

1359
01:23:09.000 --> 01:23:11.159
told our artists, like, at first there, I was like,

1360
01:23:11.199 --> 01:23:12.720
do we have to put him in a sweater? It

1361
01:23:12.760 --> 01:23:14.359
was like, yes, he has to be in a sweater,

1362
01:23:14.680 --> 01:23:16.920
but just make it look bad ass. And so then

1363
01:23:16.960 --> 01:23:19.600
we we we had our artists lock up with design

1364
01:23:20.199 --> 01:23:23.079
and then we showed it. We showed it to Will Wheaton,

1365
01:23:23.439 --> 01:23:25.079
you know, unsure what he would think about it, and

1366
01:23:25.159 --> 01:23:28.680
he was like and he immediately responded, I love this

1367
01:23:29.560 --> 01:23:33.000
And he's like, I love that you took the the ugliest,

1368
01:23:33.119 --> 01:23:37.560
worst sweater imaginable and he it's come back around to

1369
01:23:37.680 --> 01:23:42.560
actually being cool again. And his one suggestion was that

1370
01:23:42.640 --> 01:23:45.880
he wanted him to wear like sort of punk rock boots,

1371
01:23:47.000 --> 01:23:50.319
and you know, we were happy to oblige. And so

1372
01:23:50.520 --> 01:23:54.720
that was that was that was how Sweater Traveler Wesley

1373
01:23:54.800 --> 01:23:57.159
came to be. And if you remember the last time

1374
01:23:57.239 --> 01:24:00.760
we saw Wesley on TNG, The last that his mother,

1375
01:24:00.960 --> 01:24:04.880
Gates h. Beverly said to him was, you know, make

1376
01:24:04.960 --> 01:24:07.119
sure to pack a sweater so you don't get cold.

1377
01:24:07.520 --> 01:24:09.199
And he listened to his mother's advice.

1378
01:24:11.159 --> 01:24:14.520
Yeah. That that was great seeing uh being Wesley in

1379
01:24:14.600 --> 01:24:19.760
the sweater, especially that orange like you're calling pumpkin sweater.

1380
01:24:19.880 --> 01:24:23.479
That was great. Oh. When you decided to make Prodigy

1381
01:24:23.960 --> 01:24:30.239
season two kind of a Voyager sequel, Uh, my question

1382
01:24:30.359 --> 01:24:33.439
for you is what happened to Harry Kim? Did he

1383
01:24:33.520 --> 01:24:34.359
ever get promoted?

1384
01:24:36.880 --> 01:24:37.680
Well, if you.

1385
01:24:37.880 --> 01:24:40.600
If you watch the spoiler alert, if you watch the

1386
01:24:40.720 --> 01:24:44.199
trailer for Lower Decks, uh, season five, you will have

1387
01:24:44.359 --> 01:24:44.880
your answer.

1388
01:24:46.199 --> 01:24:50.000
I did see that, actually, but he's not he's not mentioned.

1389
01:24:50.680 --> 01:24:55.359
He's not mentioned at all on Prodigy, and he was

1390
01:24:55.399 --> 01:24:56.279
one of the main crew.

1391
01:24:56.560 --> 01:25:00.760
Well, I think, I think what when it comes to

1392
01:25:00.960 --> 01:25:06.399
introducing new characters to Prodigy, it was hard for us

1393
01:25:06.520 --> 01:25:10.920
to squeeze in references the way that a comedy like

1394
01:25:11.000 --> 01:25:15.720
Lower Decks might without it feeling kind of shoehorned in.

1395
01:25:16.479 --> 01:25:18.920
And you know, if we had an occasion to bring

1396
01:25:19.199 --> 01:25:23.239
Harry Kim back, which you know, we had toyed with

1397
01:25:23.319 --> 01:25:27.560
the idea of maybe having Harry on on the Voyager

1398
01:25:27.640 --> 01:25:31.760
A on the rescue mission, but we realized it would

1399
01:25:31.880 --> 01:25:34.479
it would wind up sidelining some of the crew that

1400
01:25:34.560 --> 01:25:39.039
we had already established, like Tysis and know them in

1401
01:25:39.119 --> 01:25:43.239
a way that wasn't necessary or helpful, So we ultimately

1402
01:25:43.359 --> 01:25:47.079
let let left it to lower depths to explore what

1403
01:25:47.199 --> 01:25:52.159
happened with Ensign kN but we were totally open to that. Also,

1404
01:25:52.279 --> 01:25:56.880
I think they were. There was a cameo for Captain

1405
01:25:57.199 --> 01:25:59.880
Kim that was going to be in Pocard season three

1406
01:26:00.640 --> 01:26:03.720
that they wound up removing due to I think time

1407
01:26:03.800 --> 01:26:08.279
and budget. So we also didn't want to like overstep

1408
01:26:08.319 --> 01:26:12.720
our bounds for there, and it wound up out appearing

1409
01:26:12.760 --> 01:26:14.800
at the card And then everybody was asking why isn't

1410
01:26:14.800 --> 01:26:16.880
it a Prodigy And we were like, well, just wait

1411
01:26:17.000 --> 01:26:22.840
for Laura X. If we're going to bring into a

1412
01:26:23.000 --> 01:26:25.399
character a classic character in we want to give them

1413
01:26:25.479 --> 01:26:28.319
like an arc and a reason to be there, and

1414
01:26:28.439 --> 01:26:30.680
we just didn't quite have them for Harry.

1415
01:26:30.800 --> 01:26:34.199
So now that Prodigy is part of the Netflix family,

1416
01:26:35.359 --> 01:26:39.600
how assuming that you get a green light for season three,

1417
01:26:40.560 --> 01:26:44.079
are you guys still talking with the producers and the

1418
01:26:44.119 --> 01:26:47.520
people working on the shows on Paramount Plus to make

1419
01:26:47.600 --> 01:26:51.079
sure that they're that they mesh and get things together,

1420
01:26:51.560 --> 01:26:54.800
or or is Prodigy kind of being done by Netflix

1421
01:26:55.279 --> 01:26:59.279
independently of what Paramount Plus is doing with their Star Trek.

1422
01:27:01.760 --> 01:27:05.119
Well, I mean they're all still produced by CBS Studios

1423
01:27:05.399 --> 01:27:08.880
who own the copyright under the Paramount Global umbrella, So

1424
01:27:09.000 --> 01:27:12.039
we would all still correspond and work together, just the

1425
01:27:12.119 --> 01:27:14.720
same way that all the other Burman era Star Trek

1426
01:27:14.800 --> 01:27:18.920
shows were technically on different networks, you know, even you

1427
01:27:18.960 --> 01:27:21.920
know the original series was NBC, that it was, that

1428
01:27:22.079 --> 01:27:25.439
it was in syndication, that it was on the upn

1429
01:27:25.680 --> 01:27:29.159
but they all referenced each other, they all corresponded, all

1430
01:27:29.199 --> 01:27:31.960
the timelines wind up, So this is this would not

1431
01:27:32.079 --> 01:27:34.720
be any different. We would still we would still be

1432
01:27:34.880 --> 01:27:39.159
work in tandem, I would assume with with Paramount itself.

1433
01:27:40.199 --> 01:27:42.960
And I think the the idea of everything being siloed

1434
01:27:43.159 --> 01:27:46.840
to just being on one one streaming service is not

1435
01:27:47.079 --> 01:27:49.840
necessarily the way things are going anymore.

1436
01:27:50.279 --> 01:27:50.439
You know.

1437
01:27:50.560 --> 01:27:53.199
I think all of the streamers, Paramount included with our

1438
01:27:53.279 --> 01:27:59.119
show and other shows, are open to licensing out their show,

1439
01:27:59.279 --> 01:28:02.439
producing them and then having other networks help pay for them.

1440
01:28:02.960 --> 01:28:05.920
So but in a way, it's it's a return to

1441
01:28:06.079 --> 01:28:10.159
form the old studio network model in days of old,

1442
01:28:10.279 --> 01:28:13.840
which was a much healthier financially speaking, because then you

1443
01:28:13.840 --> 01:28:17.720
wouldn't be taking on the complete costs by yourself and

1444
01:28:18.119 --> 01:28:20.159
hoping that you make it back with subscribers.

1445
01:28:22.000 --> 01:28:24.960
Now when you were when you were working on season two,

1446
01:28:26.479 --> 01:28:29.760
who designed the Voyager? Who who came up with that

1447
01:28:29.920 --> 01:28:30.800
Voyager design?

1448
01:28:31.520 --> 01:28:36.079
I believe it was all Benny boung, our supervising director

1449
01:28:36.279 --> 01:28:40.439
and executive producer. He asked for a little bit of

1450
01:28:40.479 --> 01:28:45.039
feedback from me just to help it feel like it

1451
01:28:45.159 --> 01:28:48.359
was its own sort of distinct hit that felt like

1452
01:28:48.439 --> 01:28:51.760
it could be a successor to Voyager in some ways,

1453
01:28:51.880 --> 01:28:55.840
but actually seeing in all of Star Trek the Enterprise

1454
01:28:56.640 --> 01:28:59.840
that the first Enterprise looks much different from the Enterprise D,

1455
01:29:00.159 --> 01:29:04.439
which looks different from the Enterprise F, and so we

1456
01:29:04.560 --> 01:29:06.279
had a little bit of leeway for it to be

1457
01:29:06.359 --> 01:29:08.720
a different class ship. But there are a few little

1458
01:29:08.800 --> 01:29:11.840
touches that still make it feel like Boyanture, especially the

1459
01:29:11.960 --> 01:29:17.960
really long stretched out primary hall, the the sensor array

1460
01:29:18.359 --> 01:29:22.640
notch in the front, the U and the Flextra dish

1461
01:29:22.680 --> 01:29:25.680
on the bottom. These are all things and the command

1462
01:29:25.760 --> 01:29:29.000
module on the very top were all things that we added,

1463
01:29:30.279 --> 01:29:33.000
as well as some gold trim as we've seen in

1464
01:29:33.079 --> 01:29:35.479
the original Intrepid class, to make sure that it felt

1465
01:29:35.520 --> 01:29:37.079
like there was a little bit of a lineage there,

1466
01:29:37.439 --> 01:29:41.399
even if it was, uh, you know, kind of redesigned

1467
01:29:41.479 --> 01:29:44.319
with all of the incredible technology from the Delta Quadrant.

1468
01:29:44.399 --> 01:29:47.880
That that that what the original Voyager brought back.

1469
01:29:49.840 --> 01:29:54.039
Now, when they ask you, what did Worth do to

1470
01:29:54.159 --> 01:29:58.039
the Enterprise, I'm just curious.

1471
01:29:59.720 --> 01:30:03.479
We we have not. We have not officially answered that

1472
01:30:05.159 --> 01:30:07.920
in Star Trek canon, but there are a few things

1473
01:30:07.920 --> 01:30:11.079
that we do know. We do know that that Captain

1474
01:30:11.159 --> 01:30:16.920
Picard now Admiral Picard, stepped down from captaining the Enterprise

1475
01:30:17.079 --> 01:30:21.680
sometime around twenty three to eighty or eighty one. We

1476
01:30:21.880 --> 01:30:28.359
also know that that Wharf was somehow involved with the Enterprise.

1477
01:30:29.039 --> 01:30:32.520
It's implied that maybe he was captain, which I think

1478
01:30:32.640 --> 01:30:35.800
is also said as much in some of the novels

1479
01:30:37.039 --> 01:30:40.000
of the Enterprise for some time before retiring and then

1480
01:30:40.079 --> 01:30:45.119
becoming sort of a secret ops fighting changelings and the

1481
01:30:45.199 --> 01:30:48.800
lead up to Star Trek Picard season three. And we

1482
01:30:48.920 --> 01:30:53.399
also know that a number of Sovereign class ships, including

1483
01:30:53.479 --> 01:30:57.079
one that looked suspiciously like the Enterprise E was taken

1484
01:30:57.159 --> 01:31:02.119
over along with the Defiant and heavily damaged, if not destroyed,

1485
01:31:02.880 --> 01:31:05.560
in the battle with the Living Construct at the end

1486
01:31:05.600 --> 01:31:08.039
of season one. So you can take all of those

1487
01:31:09.560 --> 01:31:11.920
with a grain of salt. But those are all facts

1488
01:31:12.159 --> 01:31:16.159
that some auspicious fans have put together to suggest the

1489
01:31:16.239 --> 01:31:19.920
timeline that maybe Wharf wasn't at fault when the Enterprise

1490
01:31:20.039 --> 01:31:23.880
E was destroyed around twenty three eighty four.

1491
01:31:26.520 --> 01:31:32.079
Okay, that that sounds good to me. So Aaron a

1492
01:31:32.159 --> 01:31:35.239
little bit off of The Prodigy for a second. With

1493
01:31:35.399 --> 01:31:38.119
all the new Star Trek that's coming out that Kawni

1494
01:31:38.239 --> 01:31:41.960
Newsom is working on, I knew, I don't know what.

1495
01:31:42.079 --> 01:31:46.960
They called it, a civilian half hour Star Trek. Yeah,

1496
01:31:47.079 --> 01:31:51.039
civilian comedy. And of course we have Starfleet Academy and

1497
01:31:52.119 --> 01:31:55.199
Section thirty one. Strange New World is coming back as well.

1498
01:31:56.119 --> 01:31:57.640
What are you most looking forward to.

1499
01:31:58.279 --> 01:32:01.720
Man, I'm I'm looking forward to all of it. I'm

1500
01:32:01.760 --> 01:32:05.079
a pretty omnivorous Star Trek fan, to be honest. I

1501
01:32:05.680 --> 01:32:08.840
will watch all of it. You know, there was a

1502
01:32:09.039 --> 01:32:11.840
brief period of time before Star Trek Prodigy had come

1503
01:32:11.880 --> 01:32:14.680
out where I was the one of the few people,

1504
01:32:15.760 --> 01:32:17.840
if not the one person in the world who had

1505
01:32:17.880 --> 01:32:22.000
seen more Star Trek than anyone else outside of perhaps

1506
01:32:22.039 --> 01:32:25.399
Secret Eyed Out and so I feel like I need

1507
01:32:25.439 --> 01:32:26.720
to live up to that reputation.

1508
01:32:29.319 --> 01:32:32.840
Yeah. Star Trek's got a really good future. There's a

1509
01:32:32.880 --> 01:32:35.520
lot of great stuff coming out and we're all looking

1510
01:32:35.600 --> 01:32:39.399
forward to it. So I guess we've Unless anybody else

1511
01:32:39.960 --> 01:32:42.680
has any other questions for Aaron, we've kind of gone

1512
01:32:42.760 --> 01:32:45.439
over with We've gone over our time a little bit.

1513
01:32:45.520 --> 01:32:48.039
You guys have any other questions for Aaron?

1514
01:32:49.239 --> 01:32:51.560
No, I just want to thank you Aaron for being

1515
01:32:51.600 --> 01:32:55.119
such a gracious guest giving us lots of info. This

1516
01:32:55.239 --> 01:32:57.159
has been really fun to talk to you again.

1517
01:33:00.079 --> 01:33:03.039
Hey, absolutely, my pleasure this is this is always a

1518
01:33:03.079 --> 01:33:04.319
blast to talk with you guys.

1519
01:33:06.039 --> 01:33:15.279
You can Uh, yeah, it's it's always fun. So what

1520
01:33:15.399 --> 01:33:19.479
are your what are your feelings? Uh, you're unofficial? Do

1521
01:33:19.600 --> 01:33:23.119
you feel pretty good that we that the numbers are

1522
01:33:23.159 --> 01:33:26.359
good enough to warrant coming to you guys for season three?

1523
01:33:26.399 --> 01:33:30.119
Where are we still a little waves off for that determination?

1524
01:33:30.239 --> 01:33:31.239
What does your gut tell you?

1525
01:33:33.159 --> 01:33:35.039
My gut tells me we're gonna have to wait and

1526
01:33:35.159 --> 01:33:38.760
see how season two does. So right now, it's critical

1527
01:33:38.840 --> 01:33:41.359
for people to keep watching and keep getting those numbers

1528
01:33:41.439 --> 01:33:43.359
up so that by at the end of the year,

1529
01:33:43.520 --> 01:33:46.039
when they kind of assess all that data, they can

1530
01:33:46.079 --> 01:33:48.800
see the Star Trek Prodigies right there at the top

1531
01:33:48.840 --> 01:33:50.640
of the list and ready to be renewed.

1532
01:33:50.800 --> 01:33:55.079
So so your end is the is the timeline. So

1533
01:33:55.319 --> 01:33:57.760
watch as much as you can before December thirty first,

1534
01:33:57.920 --> 01:33:58.720
so to seek.

1535
01:33:59.279 --> 01:34:03.239
That that is when they will officially assess, like they

1536
01:34:03.439 --> 01:34:06.000
assess their data in six month inclements, So that's why

1537
01:34:06.039 --> 01:34:10.319
it will. The tap is so find three friends, tell

1538
01:34:10.399 --> 01:34:12.960
them about it, encourage them if they've been waiting to

1539
01:34:13.199 --> 01:34:16.359
just binge it, watch, watch, watch all the episodes and

1540
01:34:17.000 --> 01:34:17.520
have a ball.

1541
01:34:20.600 --> 01:34:26.239
Now, how does that work? Uh? With Netflix and Paramount?

1542
01:34:26.279 --> 01:34:30.439
If Netflix decides they want to green light another season,

1543
01:34:31.760 --> 01:34:35.199
does Paramount have any involvement in that? Like, can Paramount

1544
01:34:35.199 --> 01:34:37.359
step in and say, well, no, we don't want to

1545
01:34:37.439 --> 01:34:39.119
do that, or is that all up to Netflix?

1546
01:34:41.279 --> 01:34:44.960
I mean, I don't think Paramount. If Netflix says we

1547
01:34:45.000 --> 01:34:47.720
want to buy another season, I think Paramount would certainly

1548
01:34:48.319 --> 01:34:50.920
would would then entertain that and find if there's a

1549
01:34:50.960 --> 01:34:53.239
way to make it work financially. You know, it's like

1550
01:34:53.279 --> 01:34:59.000
any TV show, So but Netflix would would want to

1551
01:34:59.239 --> 01:35:01.720
what has the lif since to produce more episodes, so

1552
01:35:01.800 --> 01:35:03.520
that would be up to them, I suppose.

1553
01:35:04.199 --> 01:35:10.079
So I'm kind of so Paramount doesn't have to say

1554
01:35:10.560 --> 01:35:12.640
doesn't have any say on what Netflix wants to do

1555
01:35:13.159 --> 01:35:14.319
with Star Trek Prodigy.

1556
01:35:16.680 --> 01:35:19.479
I think it would be a negotiation in so far

1557
01:35:19.640 --> 01:35:22.680
as Netflix would say how much would it cost to

1558
01:35:22.760 --> 01:35:26.000
make another season, and then Paramount would say it would

1559
01:35:26.000 --> 01:35:29.600
be as much. You know, that's you're all televisions. Yeah

1560
01:35:29.640 --> 01:35:32.079
that makes sense, Yeah, that makes sense.

1561
01:35:32.359 --> 01:35:36.520
Yeah, that does all right. Eron, Well, we went over

1562
01:35:37.159 --> 01:35:40.399
just a little bit, and I apologize for that, but

1563
01:35:41.079 --> 01:35:45.159
we were having fun talking about Star Trek, So yeah,

1564
01:35:45.279 --> 01:35:45.640
for sure.

1565
01:35:46.199 --> 01:35:49.000
Well thanks so much for having me. I really appreciate it,

1566
01:35:49.199 --> 01:35:52.479
And for all anybody listening at home, just remember a

1567
01:35:52.560 --> 01:35:57.640
Star Trek Prodigy. Both seasons forty episodes in Star Trek

1568
01:35:57.880 --> 01:36:03.479
are available on Netflix in most countries and Sky Showtime

1569
01:36:03.600 --> 01:36:07.680
and others. You can also pre order the Blu ray

1570
01:36:07.840 --> 01:36:12.279
and DVDs UH for season two that are coming out

1571
01:36:12.359 --> 01:36:15.079
I think in a few weeks, and those have some

1572
01:36:15.199 --> 01:36:20.319
bonus materials on them from from US producers uh, and

1573
01:36:20.479 --> 01:36:26.319
they they look gorgeous in Blu Ray and we also

1574
01:36:26.520 --> 01:36:31.199
just officially announced today that fan Home, the people that

1575
01:36:31.760 --> 01:36:34.640
have the license to produce starship models, are coming out

1576
01:36:34.720 --> 01:36:38.399
with a USS proto star a USS Floyd der A

1577
01:36:38.680 --> 01:36:45.119
and a USS Scotless from soccer. Prodigy is starting next year,

1578
01:36:45.479 --> 01:36:49.279
so keep an eye out at fan Home. I believe

1579
01:36:49.359 --> 01:36:51.640
there's going to be some really high quality models. They

1580
01:36:51.680 --> 01:36:54.720
even do like the Excel models, so they're big, chunky

1581
01:36:54.800 --> 01:36:58.359
boys and you know, anything you could do to support

1582
01:36:58.399 --> 01:37:02.800
the show, so spreading the word to buying the merch

1583
01:37:03.520 --> 01:37:07.359
is going to be huge helping us see further adventures

1584
01:37:07.399 --> 01:37:11.319
of the USS Prodigy, so you know, be sure to

1585
01:37:11.399 --> 01:37:13.439
check it out and buy that stuff.

1586
01:37:15.680 --> 01:37:18.079
Excellent. Well, thank you very much for hanging out and

1587
01:37:18.119 --> 01:37:20.800
trek talking with us tonight, Aaron. We really appreciate it

1588
01:37:21.199 --> 01:37:23.239
and we look forward to having you back when season

1589
01:37:23.319 --> 01:37:29.039
three wraps up as well. Absolutely, thank you so much.

1590
01:37:29.359 --> 01:37:34.000
Good night by all right guy, Thank you. That was

1591
01:37:34.079 --> 01:37:37.600
Aaron Walke, the man behind Prodigy, So thank you so

1592
01:37:37.760 --> 01:37:40.000
much for having him with us, and I hope you

1593
01:37:40.079 --> 01:37:44.199
guys had a good time. And uh yeah, that pretty

1594
01:37:44.279 --> 01:37:46.239
much wraps up our show for the night. I just

1595
01:37:47.039 --> 01:37:49.760
I want to say thank you so much to Eric

1596
01:37:50.760 --> 01:37:52.760
for hanging out and trek talking with us and of

1597
01:37:52.840 --> 01:37:55.000
course talking with erin Thank you so much. Eric.

1598
01:37:55.920 --> 01:37:59.600
Of course, Aaron is an amazing guest. He has such

1599
01:37:59.640 --> 01:38:02.560
great and I will say that I think our tre

1600
01:38:02.600 --> 01:38:04.479
experts were on point tonight. We asked a lot of

1601
01:38:04.520 --> 01:38:07.920
good questions guys, So thank you all for doing your

1602
01:38:07.960 --> 01:38:10.720
homework and like figuring out really cool things to ask him,

1603
01:38:10.720 --> 01:38:13.000
because I think it worked out. It was a great interview.

1604
01:38:14.000 --> 01:38:15.840
It was fun. It was a lot of fun. And

1605
01:38:15.960 --> 01:38:17.600
thank you so much to Paul for hanging out in

1606
01:38:17.680 --> 01:38:20.119
trek talking with us as well. Thank you so much, Paul.

1607
01:38:20.640 --> 01:38:23.439
What a treat man. He's great. Know it's just so much,

1608
01:38:24.640 --> 01:38:28.439
just a tuisient guest. So again, just let's hope we

1609
01:38:28.479 --> 01:38:31.039
get more. It's great. We'll see you guys in the future.

1610
01:38:32.199 --> 01:38:36.479
Absolutely for season three of Prodigy. We hope and I

1611
01:38:36.600 --> 01:38:39.600
hope that David is feeling better. I know he wasn't

1612
01:38:39.640 --> 01:38:41.520
able to join us, but thank you so much for

1613
01:38:41.600 --> 01:38:44.279
being part of the team at any rate, David. And

1614
01:38:44.399 --> 01:38:47.039
thank you so much to our very own Charles out

1615
01:38:47.039 --> 01:38:49.359
in Las Vegas for hanging out and trek talking with us.

1616
01:38:49.640 --> 01:38:51.279
Thank you so much, Charles, thank you.

1617
01:38:52.119 --> 01:38:54.399
Thank you. I would just go on to the fact

1618
01:38:54.439 --> 01:38:56.960
that I didn't really have any question to ask as

1619
01:38:57.000 --> 01:38:58.239
we got going a thing.

1620
01:38:58.319 --> 01:38:59.479
It's like, oh man, I want.

1621
01:38:59.359 --> 01:39:00.960
To ask you about this. I want to ask him

1622
01:39:00.960 --> 01:39:04.600
about this. It's like, oh, I just started list of

1623
01:39:04.640 --> 01:39:06.960
the questions on notes, just like, Okay, what do I

1624
01:39:07.039 --> 01:39:09.920
want to ask him? Because there was just so much.

1625
01:39:09.800 --> 01:39:12.359
And I love the idea that we mike in serial

1626
01:39:12.560 --> 01:39:15.520
series out of it with season three.

1627
01:39:17.640 --> 01:39:21.079
Yeah, we'll have to, like you said, you gotta you

1628
01:39:21.159 --> 01:39:23.319
gotta go to Netflix. You got to put Prodigy on

1629
01:39:23.600 --> 01:39:27.439
the walk Away, just let it run and run, well,

1630
01:39:27.760 --> 01:39:27.880
you know.

1631
01:39:28.279 --> 01:39:30.680
And Jim, I'm so excited because i just went to

1632
01:39:30.760 --> 01:39:33.239
fan home dot com and I'm looking at this voyager

1633
01:39:33.319 --> 01:39:36.520
a and I'm about to, like, you know, lose my

1634
01:39:37.159 --> 01:39:38.319
mic situation.

1635
01:39:42.439 --> 01:39:48.399
Well now, no access figures yet though no access figures

1636
01:39:49.000 --> 01:39:49.319
I know.

1637
01:39:49.840 --> 01:39:51.560
Oh man, I wish we could get those.

1638
01:39:51.880 --> 01:39:59.520
Oh there could be be you, there might be so

1639
01:39:59.720 --> 01:40:02.000
any guys. I want to make sure you join us

1640
01:40:02.319 --> 01:40:04.439
next week because we're going to be talking to Young

1641
01:40:04.520 --> 01:40:08.119
Sarah himself from Star Trek five the Final Front. You know,

1642
01:40:08.680 --> 01:40:11.560
I was when you asked him what his favorite movie was.

1643
01:40:12.760 --> 01:40:14.640
I was waiting for him to say Star Trek five

1644
01:40:14.720 --> 01:40:15.359
the final question.

1645
01:40:17.119 --> 01:40:21.680
You know what, Jim, I love that hope of yours.

1646
01:40:24.079 --> 01:40:26.199
Let me ask you, guys, what did you think about

1647
01:40:26.239 --> 01:40:29.439
the Star Trek five the final frontier poster for Lower

1648
01:40:29.520 --> 01:40:30.520
Deck season five?

1649
01:40:31.119 --> 01:40:31.600
Oh my god.

1650
01:40:32.199 --> 01:40:38.039
So when you take what Jim, respectfully many people consider

1651
01:40:38.520 --> 01:40:42.039
not the best Star Trek movie, and you turn the

1652
01:40:42.159 --> 01:40:45.479
poster around graphically and make it into a thing that's

1653
01:40:45.479 --> 01:40:50.960
super cool, that to me gives cult status to Star

1654
01:40:51.079 --> 01:40:55.239
Trek five as a good movie. So I think that you, sir,

1655
01:40:55.560 --> 01:40:58.399
are on the leading edge of Star Trek fans thinking

1656
01:40:58.439 --> 01:41:01.520
that Star Trek five is the best movie because it

1657
01:41:01.640 --> 01:41:04.439
is now a cult classic thanks to Lower Decks.

1658
01:41:05.960 --> 01:41:09.960
I thought they did the poster job.

1659
01:41:11.840 --> 01:41:13.680
I saw that post that I was taking a wait

1660
01:41:13.720 --> 01:41:16.520
a minute, we're going back and rehashing Star Trek five.

1661
01:41:17.399 --> 01:41:20.399
We're going back and rehashing Star Trek five, and sad

1662
01:41:20.520 --> 01:41:22.399
I looked at wait a minute, that.

1663
01:41:22.439 --> 01:41:25.960
Said Lower Decks like, oh, fet felt I like that.

1664
01:41:27.279 --> 01:41:30.920
I like, I thought it was felt into it.

1665
01:41:31.079 --> 01:41:32.600
That was that's creative.

1666
01:41:33.960 --> 01:41:37.319
That showed you how much I'm not sure I'm not

1667
01:41:37.720 --> 01:41:39.920
I'm not sure that I will ever agree that Star

1668
01:41:40.000 --> 01:41:41.720
Trek five is the best Star Trek movie, Jim. But

1669
01:41:41.960 --> 01:41:44.239
what I will tell you is that I completely respect

1670
01:41:44.319 --> 01:41:46.840
your opinion, and I love the fact that there are

1671
01:41:47.039 --> 01:41:50.399
elements of society that are sort of coming around to

1672
01:41:50.479 --> 01:41:53.079
your point of view. I just think that's hilarious.

1673
01:41:54.399 --> 01:41:57.000
I'm on the free I'm on the free.

1674
01:41:59.199 --> 01:42:01.600
Classic. It's like the leading Nick advenger Man.

1675
01:42:02.000 --> 01:42:02.439
Here we go.

1676
01:42:03.920 --> 01:42:06.279
Yeah, I'm on the fringe. But I wasn't sure. I

1677
01:42:06.439 --> 01:42:10.000
did love that. When I saw that poster, I was like, Wow,

1678
01:42:10.319 --> 01:42:14.600
that is cool. I thought that was cool. So I

1679
01:42:14.680 --> 01:42:17.239
had to put it up on our Facebook page because

1680
01:42:17.279 --> 01:42:20.039
that's the same poster that I sent to Laurence Fluckinbille

1681
01:42:20.439 --> 01:42:22.199
that he signed for me after we had him on

1682
01:42:22.239 --> 01:42:22.880
the podcast.

1683
01:42:23.640 --> 01:42:25.880
So still one of our best I mean, that show

1684
01:42:25.960 --> 01:42:28.720
was amazing, so I thought that was great.

1685
01:42:29.159 --> 01:42:31.000
So we are going to be talking about Star Trek

1686
01:42:31.079 --> 01:42:34.439
five next week with Young Sarah himself. So if you

1687
01:42:34.520 --> 01:42:37.000
guys want to call, or if you want to tune in,

1688
01:42:37.039 --> 01:42:38.600
if you want to you want to call and tell

1689
01:42:38.680 --> 01:42:41.279
me why Star Trek five is the greatest Star Trek movie.

1690
01:42:41.560 --> 01:42:46.640
I would love to hear from you. The courses eight, two, four, three, three, But.

1691
01:42:46.720 --> 01:42:50.279
We also love to hear anybody I.

1692
01:42:50.600 --> 01:42:51.560
Have a different opinion.

1693
01:42:51.680 --> 01:42:56.239
We'd love to hear that too, So just a call. Yeah,

1694
01:42:57.079 --> 01:43:03.079
the show, yeah, pecutable facts backed.

1695
01:43:02.840 --> 01:43:07.279
Up, but yeah, long years is believe you. Yeah, we

1696
01:43:07.479 --> 01:43:10.880
we want to hear from you. So at any rate, guys,

1697
01:43:10.920 --> 01:43:13.479
I had a great time and I look forward to

1698
01:43:13.560 --> 01:43:16.359
talking to you guys next week about Star Trek five

1699
01:43:16.520 --> 01:43:21.520
and Young Sarah. Probably going to be a short show

1700
01:43:22.239 --> 01:43:26.760
since he was only in the movie for thirty two seconds,

1701
01:43:27.399 --> 01:43:29.000
so it would be pretty quick.

1702
01:43:29.279 --> 01:43:32.800
Yes, but we have birthdays, we have shout outs, we

1703
01:43:32.920 --> 01:43:35.800
have all sorts of stories all cued up for you people,

1704
01:43:35.920 --> 01:43:38.840
So do not think that that's gonna be any slouch

1705
01:43:38.880 --> 01:43:41.199
of a show. There's tons of content we're gonna blast

1706
01:43:41.239 --> 01:43:41.800
your brains with.

1707
01:43:42.920 --> 01:43:46.039
Yeah, we we've had we've we've actually had weeks without

1708
01:43:46.159 --> 01:43:47.159
any of that stuff.

1709
01:43:48.239 --> 01:43:48.520
A lot.

1710
01:43:48.640 --> 01:43:49.479
I'm gonna shoot lot.

1711
01:43:51.039 --> 01:43:52.640
Yeah, Yeah, we're gonna have a lot.

1712
01:43:52.960 --> 01:43:53.199
Be great.

1713
01:43:53.279 --> 01:43:55.840
So with any with any uh, without any delay, guys.

1714
01:43:55.840 --> 01:43:57.479
I just want to let you know that Star Trek

1715
01:43:57.560 --> 01:44:00.319
fans are the best fans and you better bel that.

1716
01:44:00.840 --> 01:44:03.840
And please everybody stay safe and be good to each other.

1717
01:44:04.319 --> 01:44:08.000
Hailing frequencies are closed. Good night everybody.

1718
01:44:08.600 --> 01:44:11.600
You know you all live long and prosper nail.

1719
01:44:15.000 --> 01:44:16.199
Let's see what's out there.

1720
01:44:18.640 --> 01:44:35.600
Engage Hello, you have reached the Q continuum. We are

1721
01:44:35.720 --> 01:44:37.560
unable to get to the phone right now because we

1722
01:44:37.640 --> 01:44:39.600
are busy living in a plane of existence.

1723
01:44:39.960 --> 01:44:43.840
Your feeble mortal minds cannot possibly comprehend.

1724
01:44:44.680 --> 01:44:47.479
Furthermore, it's pointless to leave a message, because we, of

1725
01:44:47.560 --> 01:44:50.600
course already knew that you would call, and we simply

1726
01:44:50.760 --> 01:44:53.319
do not care. Have a nice day.

1727
01:44:57.680 --> 01:45:01.680
A strange force has entered the gallant see the future

1728
01:45:01.760 --> 01:45:07.319
of mankind is at stake. It could only mean one thing, Prettiest,

1729
01:45:07.359 --> 01:45:10.239
Captain Spock, I do not think you realize the gravity

1730
01:45:10.279 --> 01:45:10.960
of your situation.

1731
01:45:12.479 --> 01:45:14.560
The vacation is over.

1732
01:45:16.880 --> 01:45:19.479
Now the crew of the starship Enterprise.

1733
01:45:19.920 --> 01:45:22.800
Enterprise, are you ready? He is taking a venture where

1734
01:45:22.880 --> 01:45:24.279
it has never gone before.

1735
01:45:26.199 --> 01:45:29.079
Sun You don't know what jail break when you see.

1736
01:45:28.960 --> 01:45:35.880
One from the mind of a madman. Hustle force has

1737
01:45:36.039 --> 01:45:40.359
taken control of our vessel forehead through the center of

1738
01:45:40.439 --> 01:45:41.159
the galaxy.

1739
01:45:41.680 --> 01:45:43.399
You know we'll never make it for the great Barrier

1740
01:45:43.520 --> 01:45:45.279
to the final frontiers.

1741
01:45:46.640 --> 01:45:47.119
Fascinating.

1742
01:45:48.239 --> 01:45:49.119
How often have you done this.

1743
01:45:50.319 --> 01:45:52.239
Actually it's my first attempt fire.

1744
01:45:52.359 --> 01:45:53.159
The rocket.

1745
01:45:55.479 --> 01:45:57.840
Never cease to amaze me, nor i'm myself.

1746
01:45:58.399 --> 01:46:02.520
This is the po this track of all four feet

1747
01:46:03.039 --> 01:46:07.520
now Star track five, the final front pier.

1748
01:46:07.880 --> 01:46:08.960
This is Guy's are amazing.

1749
01:46:09.199 --> 01:46:11.399
I don't nothing amazing about us. I didn't know this

1750
01:46:11.520 --> 01:46:12.960
ship like the back of my ass.