Episode-622

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1:11 Well, good evening, Trekky's and Trekkers around the Globe. Welcome to trek Talking, Episode six hundred and twenty two. Can you believe that? Guys? Wow? So like just yesterday, it feels more like six hundred and twenty four. Yes, it's gonna say. Yeah. Those literally some of those that really feel long. You're like, oh my god, you know they got extra mileage. So I'm your most excellent host, Uncle Jim with you, and I want to introduce to you my incredible truck spursts that are going to be chatting with us tonight we'll start off. Actually, we're gonna hang out in Portland. We're not even gonna go to Vegas this time, so let's start off with Eric. Eric is out in Portland. How are you doing tonight? Eric? Oh man, I'm doing good. I am so thankful to have a nice, warm, toasty house tonight. We got some snow on the ground, We got some nasty, nasty he winds are blowing. I just I feel so fortunate to be nice and toasty in my little basement here, being able to talk about Star Trek right now.

2:09 Yeah, and we're having the same type of weather here, ice, snow, rain. We're expecting a lot of snow over the weekend, but we won't talk about that. And also from Portland, we have Paul the toy Guy. How you doing, Paul, Hey man, I'm doing okay. I'm a little under the weather this week. So if you my energy level is lower, if I'm on mute a lot, or occasionally have to turn off my camera, just fill in the blanks as the why. But so, yeah, I actually like winter weather a lot, So I'm like I'm bringing on you know, as long as you know, hopefully the power stays on that you know, certainly makes it more pleasant. Yeah, I'm I do okay. I have a fireplace and lots of firewood and you know, some recessive Viking jeans, so I think.

2:56 I'll be okay. But I enjoy it. I like I like the into time, and I'm it's any week that you hear there's new Star Trek toys. Coming our way. Yeah, it's kind of a good week, so I'm excited to to you know, for that little news drop that came this week was pretty cool. Yeah, it's gonna be fun. We're definitely going to talk about that later too, so don't you worry. And wrapping up my Truk sports for tonight's shown. Until Charles gets his power back on and can join us, we have David and you'll never guess where David's from Portland as well as something in the water out there, I'm pretty good.

3:37 I like to introduce you guys to my new pet sheet, my twin. He's your toy. So yeah, it's been pretty good out here. It's been really cold though, Oh my goodness. I'm not too much of a winter kind of guy. I'm more of a putting person, but yeah, I don't mind the winter too much, but it does get pretty cold as I get older, I get. You get older. When you get colder, you're a poet and didn't even know it. All right, guys, you can find all of our shows at trek Talking dot com. And while you're there, there's a little blue talkback mic in the bottom right hand corner. Please feel free to click on that mic and leave us a message. You can tell Eric how wonderful his hair looks. You can tell David of you like is triple whatever? Leave us a message, and any messages that we get we will play on the next podcast. So you know we want you to participate in the show as much as we do.

4:37 So please head over to trek Talking dot com and leave us a message. And while you're there, all six hundred no, I don't think all six hundred. I think there's only four hundred and eighty shows that archived there. But you can find the majority of our podcast at trek Talking dot com, as well as well as a blog and all kinds of other great stuff. While you're there, you can go over to our Patreon page which is being run by Charles, and you can help us out by becoming a patron and all the information you need you can find there at trek Talking dot com. Next week we're going to be joined by John Simpson, who played the young Sarah in the flashback scenes of My Favorite Star Trek Movie Star Trek five, The Final Front Tier.

5:21 He also appeared in the films A Stranger, Love, Film Club, The Pure Snappers, and Jolene. Having appeared on stage in Los Angeles and Phoenix, and he worked on motion pictures, television shows and in a multitude of commercials. His focus is on a sense of lighting and composition through his photography. So he'll be with us next week and we can talk to him about working with Leonardnimoy, working with Lawrence Luckingbill, who was a guest on this podcast not too long ago, and have some fun. So again, head over to trek Talking dot com and record a question for him and we will play it. On the podcast. He while you're well, no Facebook? Yeah, so we're on all kinds of social media right now. We used to be mostly on Facebook. Book. Facebook is still being a dank, so I don't rely as much on Facebook as we used to. But if you do go to Facebook, you'll see a big livelong and prosper at the top of the page asking you where you're listening from. All you need to do is drop us a line and tell us where you're from and kind of leave some emojis because it catches my attention, and then you want to tune into the next podcast so that you can hear your name red on a future fan shout out. So, Eric, would you like to get us started with our fans shout outs?

6:39 I absolutely would, Jim. This week, we're going to spin that globe all the way over across the pond to Essex, England, and we're going to say hello to our good friend David Burton. David Burton, thank you so much for listening to us over there in the UK, where things seem to be a little more sane than they are here at the moment. We really appreciate your support and always appreciate our our friends in that amazing country there. We're also saying hello this week to Alexandria Scheintech, who's sang hello to us from Munich Bavaria that's in Germany, in case you were wondering, and you have. Delicious Ham, Delicious Ham and Bavaria.

7:20 Thanks Alexandria for listening to our podcast and for supporting us in all the ways that you do. I'd also like to say hello this week to Kathy Vepunt, who is also saying hello to us from Germany, but this time from Nordhorn in Germany. Hello, Kathy, thank you so much, and live long and prosper to you. Also hello to Sarah Cassimatis, who's sang hello to us from down undo in Sydney, Australia, sending us that lovely Australian flag, which I'm one hundred percent positive is what actually captured Jim's attention. Sarah, you know all the way through the planet. I don't know if you're exactly on the opposite side of the planet. Kind of feels like you are. But it's amazing how far the reach of our podcast and of Star Trek is and it's really really important to us to have people like you supporting us from so far away.

8:11 So thank you for that. I'm going to spin it back to the United States here and we're going to say hello this week to Todd Aaron who's hailing from Mississippi, amazing state down there. Thank you Todd for saying hello to us. Also saying Hello this week to Stacy Alexander Shipman from South Carolina out there on the East coast. I've been to South Carolina a couple of times. Very very beautiful, very beautiful area, Stacy, thank you so much for supporting us from there. Larry Price is checking in from Austin, Texas. Of course, he says he's originally from the Washington, DC area, but I consider Austin, Texas to kind of be Portland's sister city. I don't think we are officially, but it feels like we got kind of the same vibe. Good music, good food, good politics. So thanks so much for listening from Austin, Texas.

9:03 And last on my list here we're saying hello this week to Kelly Coyle, who's saying hello to us from Tonopa, Arizona. David, who would you like to say hello to this week? Yeah, thank you, Eric show uh for my list, I have a welcome and thank you for listening to Sheriff Payne from Florida. Uh. And next, you're welcome and thank you to Shoji Crouchwig from Michigan. And going a little bit more west is hello and thank you to Diane on Antonio from California. Usa. Last on my list. A thank you and welcome to Della j Hoape from uh Mechanics Mechanicsburg. I had word in my head. I just couldn't pit it out, but I'm going to give this to Paul. So who's on your list?

10:07 Yeah, you know, Mechanicsburg. It's just down the road from obstetricians. Burg, right, you know, or male Man's Burg. It's just funny how all these towns, you know, I guess they had a big naming convention back in the day. It could be yeah, you know, proctologists Burg. That's one of my favorites. But anyhow, let's go and mess around with some longitude and latitude and see where we end up. God, I would just about plots to be in this country right now because our good friend Lars Grandolf saying hello to us from Skelefte, Sweden. Oh my god, those Nordic countries.

10:47 You got it right, people, Yeah right. You know, any survey you do of what, what are the what of the regions of the countries where people. Rank highest? Unlike the joy Index, the happiness scale, right, you're looking at like Sweden, Denmark, Norway, all those areas up there. So Lars. I'm sure whatever Lars is doing right now is probably got a great big smile on their face, watching their favorite part of the Star Trek franchise, or just enjoying the fact that it's winter one or the other. But keep on doing like you do, Lars, Grandlolf, and it is wonderful to hear from you. Don't be surprised if some of us folks end up coming to visit you or try to migrate, yeah, because because yeah, I might have to, you know, make some changes I'm not sure, or take this route because I'm seeing, you know, a plethora of flags from the beautiful country of Columbia that are signaling me to come land and making me feel very welcome there from our friend Miguel Antonio holghen Gestillo.

11:56 And that is a wonderful salutation, Miguel. So I love knowing that. I don't know, it's just, you know, we get in our little bubbles and it's just so great to know that this Star Trek fans all over the planet. It just makes me feel really good, you know, because we feel I'm not tipping our hat towards where this show's theme is going in any way. Tonight at all. But sometimes there is so much tribalism going on that you just sort of feel like, oh, my god, do we all have anything in common anymore? And so when we see that we have a lot of things in common with people want you know, other hemispheres, it makes me feel really good, right that I could just you know, you know, fall through a portal and show up in Columbia or Belgium or wherever, and I and I might just have the good fortune of running into one of these folks here and guess what, even though we're in different realms, we might actually have a lot in common and a lot more in common things. So I find that really comforting when times get crazy, like in Belgium where we have top fan Tomorrow days Lovay in Belgium, please forgive my pronunciation Tamara Tomorrow. It's been a little while, but I'm working on it. And speaking of top fans, if we go to Holland, we have top fan Andre Gore from Capella on and Inchel in Holland, and I think my pronunciation is bad there too, So whenever I see Capella, I always think of that fabulous star Trek

13:26 Planet Cappella for from the original series episode Friday's Child. So I'm I see that word, and I'm just gravitates towards that, because you know, it's a Julie Nwmar appearance for what I'm supposed to do. Anyhow, there we go, so fans all over the place, in South America, in Europe, all over the place. If we could just get more people to, you know, similarly embrace the values of Star Trek, I think we'd be heading in the right direction, but it does kind of feel like we have a bit of an uphill bat would you concur with that right now? Uncle Jim, oh, beyond a shadow of a doubt, and we're probably gonna touch on that in tonight's show, I would think. So. Continuing on, I would like to say thank you to Wendy Farley, who's listening to us right now in Massachusetts us of a Thank you so much, Wendy.

14:19 I also want to say thank you to Jim Wilson, who's in London, Ontario, Canada. Our good friend GM Chris is up there as well, so thank you for listening to Jim Wilson. We also want to say thank you to Kat Gardner, who's in Springfield, Missouri right now. Listening to Trek Talking. That is really cool. And I only have one top fan on my list tonight, and that would be Doug Graham, who's in Lewiston, Idaho, Idaho. The town is at the state of the Baked Potato? Am I right on that? I think just potatoes in general, not necessarily the baked potato, but not necessarily lots. Of potatoes the potato. All right, guys, that wraps up our fans shout outs. Thank you to each and every one of you guys. No matter where you are, please head over to our Facebook page truck Talking, or go over to truk Talking dot com. There's a link there because there's a lot of impersonators on Facebook and unless you see that picture right there on the screen, you are on the wrong Trek Talking page. So if you go to truck Talking dot com, that will link you to the right page and tell us where you're listening from and then tune into a future fan shout out to hear your name, And now it's time for our Star Trek polls.

15:42 You know me like no Wind, but you thought about the show, len. We try. To share your opinions with all of our minions out there. Because they listen world, Why so tell us just what you get together? We will all treat roblin A. I gotta say, Eric, I just I love that theme song. It still makes me giggle when I hear the lyrics of like this is a really clever. There are opinions with all of our opinions that maybe the greatest lyric of all time.

16:23 I mean, it's just it's just beautifully delivered. It's a thank you. Yeah, that's that's that's something you can go to bit proud of man. So again, guys, you can find our Star Trek polls on all of our socials, blue Sky, Tumblr, Facebook. All I need to do there is look for Star Trek poll under truck talking and then just answer our question and what about read it? Are we on Reddit? I don't know. I don't know. I don't even know. We're not. I don't blew it is Tumblr? Is Tumblr still a thing? Well we're there, Okay, I haven't heard.

17:04 I thought it was like my Space, I mean very tumblr in a long time. Yeah. So every week, guys, I try to come up with some polls, have some fun. Sometimes they are really serious polls that deal with the prime directive. Other times they're just fun polls, and this week kind of split it in half a little bit. I have a fun poll which is related to our Star Trek birthdays, and then I have a very serious poll which is related to tonight's topic. So, without any further ado, Eric, would you like to dive into our poll? Question number one? I absolutely would, and I have to be honest, Jim, this is probably one of my favorite poll questions that has ever been asked on the show, So I hope you enjoy this. Listeners, what is your favorite Star Trek soundtrack?

17:59 And my good friend and Scotty loves to collect Star Trek soundtracks on vinyl. I believe that he has. All of them, and I believe that he would agree with our listeners. So our listeners have said that the top soundtrack that they love from all ten movies is the Wrath of Khan, and that garnered twenty four percent of our voters twenty four percent. Now out of ten movies, twenty four percent is pretty solid, but not far behind it with twenty percent of our votes was, of course, the soundtrack for First Contact, which if you are a DNG person, I believe it's the one that usually comes to mind when you think awesome soundtracks. I mean all of that Borg related music just really sets the mood, I think. So second place First Contact with twenty percent.

18:51 Then we have Star Trek the Motion Picture with fifteen percent of our voters voting for that one, the one that really set the standard, right, the new theme, all of that great orchestration, you know, just something that we had never heard before in Star Trek, So fifteen percent is pretty solid. In fourth place, we have Star Trek two thousand and nine with eight percent of the vote. Then next we have Star Trek four, the one with the whales, with six percent of our vote. Undiscovered Country Star Trek six, where our guests from last week had a hand in picking that great composer, got six percent of our votes. Generations also got six percent of our votes.

19:37 And then in our last two spots, we have Star Trek three and Star Trek Insurrection with Boach, with which both garnered three percent of the votes from our listeners. So hello, and then actually down here at the end, we've got a whole bunch at three percent, Star Trek Into Darkness, Star Trek Beyond, and last but probably not least in Jim's mind, we have Star Trek five with two percent of our votes. Oh wait, that's next to last. Nemesis is very less surprise. So this is how our fans voted. How do you vote, Eric.

20:19 Oh Man, This is a tough one, te Man. Top three just the top three. So my top three are absolutely motion picture, Uh, First Contact and Star Trek two. I think those three are just so solid. We've got different composers in those, We've got different styles. Motion Picture, we have the introduction of the theme, which is amazing, Star Trek two, we have all the great tension that is built by the soundtrack, and First Contact. I gotta say, like, in my mind, it's the best of the TNG movies for many reasons, and the soundtrack is just one of the many reasons that it's the best TG movie. So yeah, those are my top three.

21:02 How about how about you, Paul? Your top three? Well, the motion picture is amazing, I mean it really is. I mean, I think the score is one of the highlights of the entire picture. I mean it's just really really solid. I mean that, you know, the Klingon music from the very opening of the picture is just you know, unprecedented, really really good. I'm a big fan. Of Undiscovered Country and for six I think that does really well. But really, come on, I mean it really, is there any enjoy I mean it's Wrath of God. I mean, it's Wrath of God. I mean, that's just such a great soundtrack. I mean, the vibe that comes in there when the full on nautical combat as the Reliant is chasing the Enterprise and you're in the middle of the Nebula and it's just it's just, you know, it's just really, it's really difficult to set in your seat when that music is played because it's just so propulsive.

21:59 Right, phenomenal soundtrack. I mean it's one of the because I'd argue more than any of those other pictures, the soundtrack is what really you know, brings a huge amount of the energy and poignancy to Rathacon. So it's just it's a again super shrewd move by Nicholas meyerder to you know, obtain the composer that he did. So I freaking love that movie. All right, how about you? David? Top three Star Trek soundtracks. A New Hope impart strikes back kidding see, uh my, the most memorable music for me is actually uh fust Contact. That would that probably be my foot pick, and it just stuck in my brain for a longer time, And even though it wasn't the last movie I saw, for some reason, I still remember how that song went. A lot of the other movies, they're kind of hard to remember.

22:55 But if I had to pick two more, I think my second one would be the Introaction, to be honest, So that one also pops into my head. One of my favorite songs soundtracks that they had, especially in the beginning when they were just going down to the planet and stuff and you know, the whole sequence of that village and everything that that music was just really vibrating for me. And for my third pick, I would actually pick Star Trek in two thousand and nine. I liked how they kind of did a different take on the Star Trek music, and for me, I would just probably one of the finest percies of nick work together. So I don't know, I think those three would probably be my favorite.

23:48 Well, you guys are going to be shocked when you hear mine. I'm sure you're going to be totally shocked. So yeah, I think that Jerry Goldsmith is brilliant, and I gotta go with Paul the motion picture is by five, and especially the double album Director's cut version of the of the soundtrack. It's got to be Star Trek the Motion Picture number one, all the way, always will be. End of story. It's just Jerry Goldsmith is brilliant. And since Jerry Goldsmith is so brilliant, then obviously Star Trek five would be second on my list because he composed that one as well. And then wrapping mine up for number three. It's a tough choice for me. It's it's either Star Trek six, The Undiscovered Country or First Contact.

24:35 It's a tough choice for me because I love both of them so much, but I think I'll go with First Contact just because, like David said, I think that the Boord songs the Next Generation theme is just it feels Star Trek to me. So those would be my top three. And Charles just joined us, So welcome to the podcast chart. What are your top three favorite soundtracks of Star Trek. Looking at the list, probably. One, two and four.

25:19 Okay, one, two and four, it is all right, So that was our first poll question. Guy. This next one, though, is a little bit more serious actually, and it's a little bit more along the lines of what we're going to talk about tonight. So, Eric, what is our second poll question for the night? Our second pole question is in the movie Star Trek Insurrection, Admiral Doherty plans on forcibly relocating the Baku so that the Federation can occupy the planet and take its fountain of youth regenerating properties. Do you agree with his decision? And I'm happy to say that one hundred percent of the people who voted on this one on our Facebook page said.

26:04 No, way. Doherty obviously made the wrong choice. And I believe that that's the way the movie's written. And if you think that he made the right choice, then you probably just don't get it. You probably suck it, might be a fascist. If you believe that Doherty made the right decide. Please come with me. I'd like to show you this special room. That we have. It's called the Yeah. I mean, all opinions are valid except that one. You can't say yes to that question. No, that was well, no, David would be the one, right.

26:47 I don't know. There might be some politicians that disagree. Well, you might be right, Charles, that's unfortunate, but you might be right. Yeah, that was you know, that was a pretty serious question that I felt we throw out there, especially with what's going on, especially with what we're about to talk about, and I just thought that would be an interesting question. Yeah. I mean, it's like in that movie that's obviously about a resource grab, right, it's about an admiral coming in and using his power without the knowledge one of the higher up brass in in uh in Starfleet, knowing what's going on. And I believe that the way the movie's written is to kind of make you believe that, you know, he's also himself an older gentleman who's maybe thinking that this thing might have some restorative properties for himself. So there's a little bit of selfishness involved there as well.

27:41 He tries to play it off in the movie as something that, you know, might be a reasonable decision, but clearly it's not. No, it's it definitely is not. And uh, you know that's what we need. We need We need somebody like Captain Picard to step into the picture and say, yo, dude, we'll cut the crap, but slap that dude around a little bit. You know. We don't have that, so we have to rely on ourselves to do that. But yeah, yeah, so yeah, I agree. I mean, what can we say one hundred percent of our fans agreed with that, you know, there really is no If anyone didn't, then I want to get him on the show and ask them why. Yeah, I mean all I mean, maybe playing Devil's advocate here.

28:29 Maybe because the planet wasn't their indigenous original planet that they they went there after the fact, and maybe the fact that there was only what two hundred of them maybe something like that. Yeah, maybe, but that's you know, that's a stretch. But yeah, I just want to. They weren't on that planet, I would totally say, yeah, go ahead and take their plans to resources. If nobody was there then. Yeah, yeah, but they were doing some some dirty, underhanded, crooked kind of stuff, some fascist, real imperialism stuff here.

29:11 Yeah, But to be fair, though dirty, he never knew that people on the planet were the shame people in the ship with them show. Technically he didn't have all the uhite information show technically maybe I don't know. Well, he did get his face stretched, so he got what he deserved, all right, Yeah, Charles, anybody want to else want to chime in on this before we move on? Yes, no, maybe kind of okay. So the main topic of our podcast tonight is a graphic novel that was written by mister Sulu himself, mister George kay And it's the name of it is they called Us Enemy, And it's a graphic novel. It's a couple of them. It's a pretty thick graphic novel. I wasn't aware that it was a graphic novel because I saw a storybook version of it at Target and I, you know, that was the one I was going to pick up. And then I went to the bookstore to get it and the lady hands me this, you know book, and I'm like, is that the right one? And then that's when I realized that the story book had been edited down from the graphic novel.

30:20 So I got the graphic novel and read it from cover to cover, and. Base story book it's a picture book for kids. Yes, I do have it in my It's a simplified version of the whole story. Yeah. So for those of you who aren't aware, I'm went here's what the jacket of the of the novel says. A stunning graphic memoir recounting actor, author activist George de Kaye's childhood imprisoned within American concentration camps during World War Two, experienced the forces that shaped an American icon and America itself. In this gripping tale of courage, country, loyalty, and love, George de Kay has captured hearts and minds worldwide with his captivating stage presence and outspoken commitment to equal rights.

31:11 But long before he braved New Frontiers and Star Trek, he woke up as a four year old boy to find his own birth country at war, with his fathers and their entire family forced from their home into an uncertain future. In nineteen forty two, at the order of President Franklin D. Roosevelt, every person of Japanese descent on the West Coast was rounded up and shipped to one of ten relocation centers, hundreds of thousands of miles from their home, where they would be held for years under armed guard. They called us Enemy is to Kay's first account of these years behind barbwire, the joys and terrors of growing up under the legalized racism, his mother's hard choices, his father's faith and democracy, and the way those experiences planted the seeds for his astonishing future. What does it mean to be an American who gets to decide when the world is against you. What can one person do to answer these questions? George to Kai joins co writers Justin Eisinger and Steven Scott and Arnest Harmony Becker for The Journey of a Lifetime. And obviously I picked this particular topic tonight because a lot of what is in this book echoes what is happening right now in the United States of America and some of the things which our current administration wants to do in the United States

32:42 of America. And I just think that it's important for people to understand history and make sure do your damnedest and try your hardest to make sure that it never never repeats itself ever. And people that say that can't happen here, look at these pictures up on the screen. These are actual internment camps in the United States of America, and these are actual American citizens. Their homes were confiscated, their businesses were shut down, they were discriminated against, they were rounded up, put on trains and brought to these camps. Looked how they were forced to live just because they were Japanese Americans. I it's wrong on so many levels.

33:29 I don't even know where to begin, but I did read the graphic novel. I was really wow. I'm really touched by the whole thing. You know, when you think about what he went through with his family, The fact that he would go on to be an icon, to be mister Sulu, to be a beacon for other Japanese Americans after the way this country treated his family is a testament to the kind of man that he actually is. I just can't say enough. I've met him several times at conventions. He's an incredible guy, and you know, I wish there was some way to make up to him and you know, his family, what America put him through, because it's disgusting and it's a shame, and it's a stain on our country. And I'm afraid, I'm terrified, guys, that we are about to enter a whole new stain and the atrocities that are about to be unleashed will make this look like nothing. And we have to make sure that that does not happen. And I want to clarify something. This is not political by any means, don't you know. I think that it has turned into a humanitarian c It's turned into a constitutional crisis. And regardless

35:05 of what side of the political spectrum you're on, we're all Americans and we all agree on one thing, freedom And when our freedoms are being challenged and taken away, we need to stand up as one unified voice and say no, enough is enough, and we need to draw that line in the sand and say no further. Does America have the guts to do that? Do we have the balls the courage to stand up and do that? That is the question. And I'm going to get off my soapbox because this pretty much upsets me, and you know, I want to hear from some of my other truck sports.

35:45 So I'm gonna mute my mic and I'm going to turn it over to Eric. What do you think? Eric? What did you think about the book and what do you think about the situation? Yeah, so I've read the book a couple of times at this point. I read it back when it first came out in twenty nineteen. I remember, actually my wife is the one who introduced me to it because they got a copy of it at her middle school library that she runs, and she sort of had the scoop on it, and so she brought it home and I read it straight away and I was really touched by it. I mean, I think I'll start, I guess with the art side of things. So the art, this is a black and white graphic novel. It's about two hundred pages or so, slightly slightly more. The art was done by the amazing artist Harmony Becker, and she is a actor, author, activist, very involved in various communities who are looking toward social justice and just human rights in general. So I love her artistic style in this book. I feel like it's very simple and yet the scenes that she chooses to show and the composition of each one of the pages I think really helps bring out the power of the story.

37:10 So I just really appreciate her as the artist on this. And of course the writing was done mostly by George Takay. He had a couple of people who helped him with it along the way. But it essentially takes you through the story from the beginning when his father was a business owner in Los Angeles, California, and it takes you all the way through the entire experience to the aftermath of what happened after the internment camps were shut down and the Japanese folks one hundred and twenty thousand people, by the way, had to reintegrate back into American society.

37:58 I feel like I learned a lot this. I learned things like how so many of the Japanese that were in turned were coerced into renouncing their American citizenship because they felt like that was kind of the only choice that they had. I learned what the internment camps actually looked like. I learned about mister Takay's father and his pivotal role as the spokesperson for at least two different camps that they were in along the way. And one of the things that I think really touched me in my heart the most was the fact that remember that when George was only four years old, that's when this all sort of started going down. So can you imagine as a child of four years old, you know, being told by your parents, oh my gosh, you have to pack your bags as quickly as possible, we have to go to this thing. And he does a great job in the book at of showing us how from a four year old's perspective, some of it is fun, right, some of it looks like an adventure. We get to go on a train, we get to move to a different place, we get to try different things. And it wasn't until later in his adult years or young adult years, when his father actually explained what was going on to him, that he was able to put kind of some of his childhood memories into context. And I just found that,

39:32 in particular, really powerful, because I remember being a child, I remember thinking as a child. I hope I never forget what it was like to be a child, because I think that child's mind kicks in information in a fundamentally different way than adult minds do, and there is a sweetness to that. There's an innocence and ignorance to that that kind of makes some situations that maybe weren't so good a little nicer. But then later on you kind of find out what was really going on and you sort of learn the context for that. So I just really I just really appreciated that. I also really appreciate the fact that he has taken this book beyond the book and of course developed the musical allegiance associated with this. I haven't had a chance to see allegiance, it has not come to Portland yet, but I understand that it's a faithful adaptation essentially of kind of the story and the arc that this book has. And I think musicals have a unique way of being able to develop and express emotions that some other art forms are not able to do. You know, you kind of have to be along for the ride because nobody in real life actually stops and starts to sing about what's going on.

40:56 But in a really good musical that doesn't take you out of the story, right, that actually builds upon the story. You think about great performances of Fiddler on the Roof for some of these other West Side stories, some of these other musicals that deal with racial persecution or racial issues or cultural issues of that kind of thing. And I'm sure Allegiances is very much done in the same way. So, you know, as I said, I've read this book twice now, there was about five years between when I first read it and then I just finished reading it just yesterday right before the podcast again, and I. Think it kind of hit me the same way.

41:36 You know, I feel like I still was kind of relearning the details about what happened. I feel like I had kind of like a general idea of what the Japanese internment camps were like, but his telling of the story brings you into it and gives you some kind of unique first person perspectives. Actually, before I go, I'll just say that one of my favorite parts is he talks about two thirds of the way through the book or so about how when he was a teenager, he engaged his father about these things and was like, Dad, why didn't you stand up? Why didn't you fight for your rights? Why did you give in? Why did you do all of this stuff? And his dad was just like, listen, you at this point in your life, you can't really understand what the situation was really like. And I think we all kind of have to remember that, you know, as crazy stuff happens in the world, we have to remember there's the trees and then there's the forest for the trees, and we kind of have to take it all in at the same time. And it's a lot like there's no question there's a lot of strong emotions going on in this book. In the United States in particular, as we're going along this path that the people in charge are currently putting us on, it's important to stand up for what you believe in. It's important to fight

43:07 for your own rights. It's important to fight for the rights of people who have less power than you. So for me, it was kind of an affirmation and a reaffirmation of the fact that I, as a white man in this country, hold a lot of power and it's up to me to make sure that I help defend the rights of those people who have less power than I do right now, and I'm I'm happy to do so. So this is a fantastic book. I think whether you are twelve years old, thirteen years old, or whether you're an adult in your fifty sixty seventies, whatever, you should absolutely read this book. Even if you feel like you know the story of the Japanese internment camps, I still encourage you to read this because I think told from this first person perspective in a very simple way. You know, it's a two hundred page graphic novel, so this will literally take you maybe two hours, maybe three hours to sit down and read. It's not it's not a big slog at all, and it will really enlighten you and I feel like give you context for a lot of stuff that's still very very current.

44:20 Unfortunately, absolutely, Eric, I could not agree with you anymore. And the fact that the story is being told by mister Sulu, you know, it's this isn't just some random this is mister Sulu from Star Trek telling this story from his point of view. It's and there's the artwork you were talking about right there, So it's I think it's moving. I think it's pivotal. I think it's relevant to today. I think everybody should read it and then look at the newspaper, watch the news, look around you and see what's going on. So, Paul, would you like to jump in here next? Yeah, I mean I'm not really in a position to talk a lot about the book specifically because I just haven't ad a chance to get my hands on a copy.

45:07 So I'm very familiar with George to K though, and very familiar with his work on this topic, the musical allegiance that Eric referenced, right, So, I mean it's he's done a lot of work on making sure I think, you know, a good artist has a conscience, right, And George t Kay has been great about making sure that this story is not forgotten and that awareness is raised, and that you remind people of it, you know, ideally so that history doesn't repeat itself. But that's you know, the. You know, I don't like to depict myself as being a cynical person, but human beings are very flawed species, right, I mean, we are we we repeat our mistakes over and over again. And that's one of the reasons I think that a lot of us keep coming back to Star Trek is because it's, you know, when it's done well, it's a paints a vision of a future where we've managed to somehow finally evolve past that and get beyond it. Right, because you know, you'll look some of the images that we've got up on screen here right now. This is you know, it's one thing to say an internment camp, right, Language is very.

46:22 Strange. Language can make you feel things, and it can basically it's just like, you know, it's like if I say, hey, don't ship over here, as opposed to like, hey, don't excrement over there. Right. I mean we're calling this an internment camp. It's a concentration camp, guys. I mean, you know, there's you know, there's no difference really. I mean, basically, a concentration camp is where you take your other human beings and you treat them like animals. And that's what we're that's what we're you know, seeing intimations of Again. It's just like the biggest problem I think that we can continue to face as a species is our reliance on fear.

47:06 Right. Fear is is something that. Ambitious people in positions of authority like to use to control others. Right, fear, If you do this, you're going to. Go to hell. Threat threat threat. Right. This guy over here, he's trying to take your lunch. This guy from another country, he's kind of trying to your job. Right, And so that is I mean, this tactic is thousands of years old. Right. The avaricious, you know, deep pocketed, a moral bastard you fill in the blanks, who wants to basically take one segment of the population and use it against another one. Right, somebody you know, chest moves essentially. And fear is a powerful tool, unfortunately, right, because people really succumb to it.

47:58 Right. Self preservation is a strong instinct and difficult to overcome. And so when somebody's giving you a fearful threat and saying if you don't do what I say, this threat's going to happen to you. Right, most people, it's very rare that people have the strength to stand up against that and fight back and push back, right, because you tend to want to good, put your head down and not get harmed, or let your family be harmed or what have you. Right, So it's a difficult thing. So we and fear is what works in this situation. Right is basically it's the it's you know, the number one huge reason I think why Star Trek continues to endure, right is because it sees past that core human instinct.

48:44 Right is with the way mankind has been for thousands and thousands of years. It's that whole notion that we can easily be convinced to fear the other. Right, whoever the other is okay, that that is somebody that you should be fearful of the unknown, in whatever shape it may be, especially other entities. You don't know what it is, so you should be scared of that. Excuse me, I hear people in the supermarket speaking a language I don't understand. I should be you should be afraid of that, because who knows what they're saying? Right, It's that whole fear pedaling, right, I mean, And a lot of times this is you know, you see it coming from all different quarters. Of society politics from religious people who are trying to manipulate and use those things. Politics isn't inherently bad. Religious religion isn't inherently bad, but it can often be used in malicious ends by people who want to manipulate others. And fear is the common mortar between those bricks. If we can get you to fear somebody who's different from you, suddenly they are no longer a human being. They are a object.

49:55 You know, they are a thing. And it's a lot easier to put thing is in a concentration camp, then it is your fellow human beings, because if you don't see them as human beings, it's you know, it's a lot easier to treat them in a non human way. And and this is what we're moving towards. Unfortunately right now, you know, there is a lot of work being done to you know, demonize the immigrant in this country. And you know, dread irony, this is who we are. This is this entire country is a country of immigrants. We've always been that way. If you've ever been a New Yorker, you see the Statue of Liberty, right, you see, we've always been There's no one here unless you're you know, like Leonard Peltier, right, who is not an immigrant. We all come from someplace else originally. But there's this entitled fear mongering unfortunately, that is determined to continue making one part of society fear and dread the other to achieve their goals, right, and their goals are to get control over you and get you to do what they want you to do, and to make as much money as possible,

51:25 rather than trying to help people and do good. There's powerful influences that are looking to profit and exploit from people, and a body count is of no consequence. They'd rather when you're only concerned with counting money. So this is where we're heading, and it's very troubling. I do think though, that while we are a very flawed species and we do respond very easy to fear, I think that we also do have the capability to rise above it. And and we've seen that in the past, you know, especially during the Second World War. We can rise above it, and we can, you know, like Lincoln said, we can you know, to come to the better angels.

52:15 Of our nature. Right. I believe it's a phrase, but it. Requires a lot of vigilance and a lot of calm, and you have to be able to go through this stuff and try to not respond fearful when you see you know, when you see bad things happening, you have to try to approach it from a different way and not be scary. And it's scary. What's going on right now in some quarters. It's very scary. So we have to. Pardon me, we have to just you know, do our best what happens. I do like to think, though, I mean, this is what Star Trek is though, right eventually, you know, in the best Star Trek, I mean that's growing up watching the original series, they painted a really broad of course, we.

52:59 Have beyond that. What are you talking about? Yes, we did. You know they putting a multicultural crew together on the bridge, regardless of race, regardless of gender, everyone is equal, and that genes perspective was differences. How you get there is differences are something to be celebrated and you know, rejoice it to not be afraid of right and 'till we're able to make that paradigm shift as a culture, we're going to keep repeating this stuff over and. Over and over again. So, Paul, one of the things I always remind people of is that in biological systems, diversity is the only thing that helps them propagate. Like, as soon as you become homogeneous in a biological system, whether it's you know, brothers and sisters breeding with each other at a microscopic level or that sort of stuff, that stuff always leads to doom. It's only when you have the diversity and constant new ideas and new themes and new genetics coming into the system that the system actually takes off and is able to be what it can potentially be. So I feel like there's not only like philosophical basis for that, but there's like scientific proof that diversity matters.

54:22 I agree with you, but unfortunately, you know, it's the opposition mindset is challenging to cope with because we've now moved into a new era that is kind of uncharted territory we've never really been before, where now science is being sold to something that you should also be afraid of, that you should not trust. Right, I mean, we just made you know, a very non scientific individual in charge of the nation's health, right, I mean that's you know, I don't know what's going to happen with that, but I'm you know, take step takes appropriate steps would be the only thing I can advise at this point. Look after yourself and you know, be prepared. But yeah, it's just you know, now when you have people, it's just like you know, you say, but look, I'm Eric's got all this science that shows this. They don't want that.

55:20 They don't care that, they don't trust that. Science is not something that they speak. It doesn't work for them. They're like, no, I don't want your stick shift. I drive an automatic. Sorry, I mean, that's it's tough. It's really difficult. You know. We're I really hope we can evolve past this and that. But you know, we're talking about this really early in you know, the latter part of February twenty twenty five, and this stuff's been only going on for the last few weeks. And I think, you know, it's good that Jim brings us up as a topic of the show because it's like, in just a few weeks, this is what, you know, the thirteenth of February here, right, I mean we you know, barely anything's been going on. This will been less than a couple of weeks, you know, less than a month. I think, But it's just like so much has happened, and people are scared, right, and especially if you are a person of color, or a person of who's an immigrant, or a person who is trans or a woman, or or just a free thinking person.

56:33 There's a lot of fear going on there about what you know, you're what this is all going to mean for us. I don't think anybody wants to end up in a concentration camp. And you know, a few years ago that seemed like a crazy concept. Oh of course not now we're not so sure. So I think I think that's about all I have to say on it, though it does inspire me to go read this book. Though I suspect probably a good idea to get a copy of this book while you can, because this is the kind of book that they are going to want to make sure you can no longer obtain. They're in stock at Cosmic Monkey. By Cosmic Monkey. So, Charles, did you get a chance to flip through the book?

57:16 Yet? Yes, I did, got my kindle warmed up and got it read this week. Actually what we bought actually I learned a little bit. I know a little bit about this story a few years ago, but not as much detail as this book got. I know Jim always talks about loving the Little Star Trek Pocket novels. Well, there was a one released in nineteen ninety four, Well to This Stars an autobiography of George Dekai mister Sulu, and so I got the audio book a few years ago, I think just insteads I got around twenty nineteen. I'm not sure when I first heard it, but I thought, oh, it'd be interesting to hear some of his stories and he got into the tournament camps and not as much details as book did, but it gave me an interesting perspective of what happened to him. And that was before Alliance came out, so

58:49 it was interesting to hear it then and have what's happened to George? So that. I was following him. I was sort of more following him back when he started to get big in Facebook. Sorry Allegiance not a Liance. Sorry mine's a little elsewhere tonight.

59:32 But I. Was following him when he released his first couple of internet books, and the Internet books were very interesting. It would. I can't remember the whole title of it, but when you hear the comments and bears, oh my, that was his first book discussed in the Internet and what was going on with him and the Internet at the time. I have to dig around sometimes see if I can find that book again. But that gave us an interesting little perspective between that and the pocket novel, what happened with him, what happened with the Japanese. And I thought interesting in the graphic novel that it mentioned that he went trying to look at the history books and it wasn't sitting there. And I think that's something that's so true, is you look at our history books, and our history books don't talk about they talk about what happened in the battles in Japan, didn't talk about what happened to the Japanese in America, And it's something that US history

1:01:05 doesn't want to talk about, doesn't want to admit they actually did. So I didn't know. I knew about his father being the leader of one camp. I didn't really realize about the two camps and how they moved the no Nos to a different camp and then threatened to ship deport them, take their citizenship away and deport them. And I'm glad we had some people that stood up and helped protect them. Helped his mom stay in the country and not get chipped back.

1:01:50 Did you think, Actually, I mean, that was one of the cool things in the book there, Charles, was that his mom actually denounces her citizenship because she feels like it's the only option. And then it was like years of legal battles afterward to get the citizenship back, because of course, when you're in the soup, you don't know you're in the soup, and you don't know that the war is gonna end in like a year or a year and a half, so so you do what you think you need to. Do, right well, and they and she's and they admitted in the book they said she was. She was days or weeks away from getting shipped back to Japan. So it really was an eye opener to show what did happen.

1:02:39 And I think it was interesting to take it as perspective of a little kid who's stuck in this and it's like, well, America did do the wrong thing with their citizens, and I think the advent made. They eventually said they were sorry, but it took so long to do it, and I'm not sure it was complete enough for what they should have done. And it's interesting that it took presidents in the nineties to finally try to resolve and apologize for the thing that they did back in the.

1:03:28 Forties, Republican presidents. That's what's amazing. Like, Yeah, well we. Went through Carter's era, and Carter's era didn't do anything, and. Yeah, now it was Clinton. It was back to Clinton where they finally actually I think, started to really do stuff. Well, you're correct, Reagan acknowledged it. Clinton is the one who did something thing about it. Yeah. So it's it's a serious, serious book to read about.

1:04:08 It's a good book to read if you want something a little if you want something a little simpler for the kids, there is a picture book that does a good job. Also, I have it in my collection somewhere. But for a good history lesson, this was a good history lesson. Yeah. Absolutely, we got to spend more time really looking and saying what what did happen with history? But well, worth a book worth having. You get to bring up the kaboos on this one, buddy, What do you think?

1:04:55 Boy? I read through his book probably within the next last a couple of days. It took me about two hours. I just read it through. I couldn't put it down and ask how good it was. I never knew, honestly, I never knew that this had happened. I've heard about it, I just didn't know that it was to this extent. And what. We did to these people, I really don't think that was worth an apology of twenty thousand dollars. I honestly don't think any money amount could be amount to what we did to these people. I mean, we disrupted their lives.

1:05:42 We totally took away a lot of the personal property except for what they could carry. And I thought it was kind of funny that U my mother snuck in the showing machine. I was like, it's kind of funny, A super smart. Yeah, I mean I like how he described because her mother wasn't from what I understand, she was born in Japan and then she migrated here, so she didn't really quite speak English, and so they put that in in the tech form of like how she would speak. I thought that would be kind of clever, and how to write things out and stuff. So it's like, that definitely sounds like somebody who's just learning how to speak English. So I thought that was kind of cool.

1:06:33 But yeah, I liked it. I agree with a lot what everybody's been saying. For one, Paul, you were talking about the whole fear thing, and yeah, it is. People do not like being in the unknown. Fear really dug guide people's paths in real life, and it really does start to shape them in what we are today. So to me, fear comes from a lot of different things that happened. I mean, you could have fear of dying, of course, and I'm probably sure that's what they were experiencing over and over and over in their heads, especially the adults, because they had no idea what was going on.

1:07:25 And I'm just actually really hopeful and glad that what had took place after they got released that a lot of people were starting to realize what they did was not something that sort of I mean, they were basically the no nos. I mean, come on, what we did to them is just disgusting. It's really disgusting to me. So I mean, sorry to throw out some language there, but I'm just saying it's, ah man, it bugs me. It's the point that we turned out like this. And so I know this book was supposed to be for children's eyes and schench, but did he mentioned elsewhere at all that had anyone died in the camps, didn't one know.

1:08:18 You mean, as the result of mistreatment. I mean, so I would say that in the book he does talk about how, remember when they're in the horse stalls to sturt with and he talks about how his sister or sorry, his brother gets sick and he gets sick, and that sort of stuff. So he doesn't talk about that stuff specifically, But I would bet you that when you shove a bunch of people into horse stalls or on the floor right and they have to live there for a couple of months, I would believe I mean, people probably.

1:08:59 Either stabled. I would imagine a lot of people probably did pass away from this. I mean they're not they're not burning people in gas chambers, but they're certainly not, as Paul said, they're treating them like animals. That was going to be my next topic of the situation that I was going to bring out the whole idea of why I agreed with Paul here when it comes to fear, because this shouldn't happen just in America. He's described already. This has been going on for thousands of years, and the one that really stuck with me was a holocaust that was really bad. And even though I'm not really comparing it to I'm just saying that people do things out of crazy, weird things that they can think of to try and manipulate people. And I believe it's true. Evil does exist, and where there's evil, there's always the opposite, which is good. And to me, I I think a lot of good things came out of it, because if he didn't survive this, we wouldn't have had Shulu, I mean, right, So just imagining the fact that he had to go through what he went through at the age of four completely shaped him into what he is now. And he he survived, I mean a lot of his friends that he had to leave from the first camp, which I trying to remember what

1:10:30 it was called, like we wore something like that. And so then when he left that camp, a lot of his friends and stuff that he had got to know for all those years just vanished. And so he probably went through a lot of I can imagine hard mental situations to the point where he just a lot of times he just couldn't handle it at times, and especially when he was talking about Tully Lake, of all the fights that he had to witness and no apparently was like the worst camp out in California or something like that, and I'm just like, I mean, he must have been like what twelve I think about that time when he experienced that. But yeah, I I I cannot imagine I wouldn't have survived going through this. I'm pretty sure some of my trust birds here already know my situation. So I'm I'm thinking, like, man, how.

1:11:34 Oh, guys, just just know you're You're totally right, David. Like anybody with like, you know, immuno compromised positions, or people who like aren't the absolute like dominant, you know, people in the in the mix, like it would hit them twice as hard, right. Yeah, especially when they have to get medication, because from what I remember when the book, the mother kept going back and forth, like when they were in the horse dolls, that she was going back and forth to get some medicine for her kids, which was available, but he didn't really explain, and I'm pretty sure he probably didn't know at the time that it supplies for these medicine for all the How many people did you say they were there?

1:12:20 Like eight thousand? I think? Yeah, it was like around eight thousand. Yeah, and so I'm thinking back then during World War Two, having to go through that situation and having to spend you know, your money on wartime and trying to supply to people that you just put in and pugonment. It's just like I can imagine a lot of the supplies there were not available for a lot of people, and that situation. To me, it's like America definitely did a volm here. And I agree that this situation was the worse, probably now in my mind, since I just read the book recently, probably in the most horrific situation that's probably worse in the Holocaust. And I know that I'm comparing it too now. It's like the Holocaust, I can imagine was really really horrible. Millions upon millions of people died, like six millions or something like that. But there are some things worse than death. And to me, it's just for me, Oh, this thing just makes me mad almost.

1:13:31 But I do want to say some good thing about it. The book was really good. The book had some funny parts in it, especially like what Eric was talking about, the idea that he was going through the mind of a child. You know, there were some things that made me laugh and for the longest time. Okay, I know, I'm just going to say it out loud, But before I got to the part where the dad explain to Shulu what does this mean Chicana Beach, I was like, what the heck does that mean? And so I was just like so to me, that part was when I first read it, I was like, oh, okay, that's what it meant, and so I had to have his dad explained to me what it meant.

1:14:11 So I liked it. I really enjoyed it. I was mad, I was sad, and let's just take it from here. Evil exists. The love of money is the root of all evil, and what people say when they try to take advantage of people to get your money or whatever. You know, when you're in love with money that much, you're gonna start thinking bad things. And to me, I don't know this whole situation with what's going on in today's administration versus last and last and last and all the previous ones. I'm not really much into politicians, although I do listen to the news as I can once in a while.

1:14:53 But the other side of me is also saying I understand why they did what they did, but at the same time, they should have done it in a totally different way. During wartime, Yes, both sides, even Germany, Japanese and all the other people who were involved, they had to own share prisoners of people who may look similar to what they say and what they look like. And so to me, it's just like, it's, I mean, where supposed to be America. We're supposed to be the country of the free, free country, right the best country in the world. And to me, it's like when you start putting people into situations like this. I never even knew about this until, you know, I got a whold of the book and all of a sudden, I started reading all this stuff, and I never thought America would ever go through this. And I heard that they've been building concentration camps, you know, during a couple of administrations ago.

1:15:53 So it's just I don't know, it's just it's getting sick to me, getting to the point where it's just like, why why do we even go through this when we know that people out there have a good heart, have a good intention. But at the same time, if we be silent about it, evil is gonna triumph. And so to me, I'm just like, it's just it's getting to the point where I'm just I just kind of want to just like not really do anything about it, because it's it's to me it mentally, physically, and very financially aboding on my part to try and do anything to help.

1:16:43 I mean, I could try and do as much as I can, but I to me, I'm just getting to the point where I'm just like, oh, man, from what I've been here on a new whether it's propaganda or not, which is another thing. I think this is one of the other reasons why I believe this had been happening all those centuries ago. It's just been dragged on by propaganda from media sources or however you get your news. So to me, it's just people start thinking one way or another, and it's just like it can start causing division about each other, and yeah, it gets to the point where it gets really too much, and I'm just gonna probably keep saying more and more. But I liked his book. I like how he started talking about Star Trek.

1:17:30 I like how he started talking about his relationship with his father and his mother, his siblings, even though he didn't really talk too much about his sister and him that much. But yeah, I don't know. Well, you know, I just want to say one thing. I think that you made a great point, David, because it's like we're I'm sure listeners like pretty heavy guys, hardcore you know, pressing blah bla blah star trek and we want to escape as him. Right. But a really good thing to focus on here is, you know, David points out right, what is he like when he goes to this camp? He's four?

1:18:10 Right, he's four. He's like a little boy. You remember being a little boy? Right? And you know we know enough now, you know healthcare, I don't know. If you have like bad negative, you know, experiences in childhood, it profoundly affects your health later in life. Right, I mean, it really really does adverse childhood experiences. Right, So he went through hell? Right, Okay, maybe he didn't end up in a gas chamber, but he went through hell. I mean, what a terrible experience that set. Right when you look at George t K Now picture George to Ka, right, and however you would right, how what's the one word I think of immediately when I look at that guy's face. Oh my no, no, I mean not just adjective wise.

1:18:55 He is joyful, Okay, he is a joyful Yeah, he's a happy, joyful guy, and he is you know, they did not destroy his spirit. He managed to h to come back from that. And I think a huge lesson I think is that he threw himself into his art, right. He worked being a performer. He gained his confidence doing that. He said, you know, acting is great, but I still have more to say. I'm pretty sure I have another story inside me. I'd like to try to write it. And so he told his story in different methods. He did it as a graphic novel, he did it as a book, and then it became a you know, successful show, you know, on stage. So it's just I think art can save you, right, it really can. And I think that it's just really see that how resilient to him and being spirit could be. So I wanted all the things you said, David, that just I think is really I hold on to that art.

1:19:48 Something to that. Yeah, when you mentioned the book and everything in the form of this, just the graphic novels, people learn virtually, not virtually, usually more than they do words. And to reach the children is the best way to get their attension to want to read more. And I can't remember who said this, but somebody from I think it might have been during World War two or something, but somebody mentioned that to shape a nation you have to go through the kids. That's the only way you're going to try to get either. It can either go good or bad or evil. I guess you could say, I mean, technically, I guess what Adolf Hitler did is that he reached the young to get hit army to get his war that he wanted. That's how he did it.

1:20:50 And when we look at books like these, this is teaching. Like what Charles mentioned, this is history and we to get to a young and able to get them to understand what happened. It was Nelson Mandela who said that education is the most powerful weapon which you can use to change the world. He did that during his Nobel Peace Prize acceptance. So I can't agree with you more. Well, and if you want to talk a little bit of history, and David calls about our great country, I started looking at this book and realized, well, wait a minute, what were the dates of McCarthyism. And McCarthyism was just starting post World War two and if you want to look at the Red Scare in the forties to the early fifties, this.

1:21:51 Country was going in the wrong direction then too, and. We were lucky we got out of it. And that so that piece of history maybe we need to look at into protecting what direction our history needs to go to now. And I just want to say something that David mentioned, and then we're going to move on a little bit here. Propaganda. We need to be vigilant and we need to be careful. Just because somebody says something or you read something that goes against what you believe or what you think, does not make it propaganda, all right, we need to be careful about You know, if you think that immigrants are awful and terrible and that they're the root of all evil in this country, and you read an article or see a new story that says the contrary, you don't immediately label that as propaganda because it goes against what you have been told. Okay, we all have access to the internet, we all know how to google, and I urge people to do their own research, yes, Leah, to find out for themselves. Don't just believe what somebody told you, look it up yourself. Okay, Well, find out the truth for yourself, and then you'll be more educated and you'll be able to make a more logical and knowledgeable assessment

1:23:23 of the situation. Don't just blindly follow what someone tells you. Remember this issue right now, AI is creating a lot of stories, and some people are out there creating stories. They're not creating truthful stories. They're making up stuff or they're coming up with stuff, which we went back to the old term fake news. You've got to watch out and research it because some of the stuff coming out isn't truthful or it is fake or is not telling the whole truth, and you need to check to next week.

1:24:03 You're getting the whole story and not just a partial story that people want you to hear and not hear the whole truth. Exactly. Spot on. And with that, guys, it's time to go into our Star Trek birthdays, which is right here. That was not a Clinton song.

1:24:44 Nope, it was not warf but we like it anyways, and let's follow up a pretty deep, deep and philosophical discussion like that with some Star Trek birthdays and have a little bit of fun. And we always start off our Star Trek birthdays by sadly enough remembering those members of our Star Trek family who are no longer with us, and for that returned. To Eric Yeah Jim. This week, we're going to remember seven members of our Star Trek community who have gone before us. The very first is Miguel Ferrer, who was the American actor who played the executive officer of the USS Excelsior in Star Trek three, The Search for Spock. But he's probably best known for his role as Bob Morton in the nineteen eighty seven Excuse Me, Yeah, Show Sorry movie RoboCop, and also for playing FBI agent Albert Rosenfield on the cult television series Twin Peaks. Two absolute heavy hitters. Robo Cop and Twin Peaks I think are at the top of most people's lists. And this is a face, as you're seeing on the screen here, that you will absolutely recognize associated with those. He later became known for his role as doctor Garrett Macy on NBC's drama series Crossing Jordan, and he also lent his voice to several projects. He voiced the villain hun leader Shan Yu in the Disney nineteen ninety eight animated film Mulan so thank you very much to Miguel Fair for his

1:26:16 contributions to not only Star Trek but pop culture in general. Unfortunately we lost him at a very young age sixty one years old back in twenty seventeen. Happy birthday to Miguel. Happy birthday as well to Michael Strong, the actor who appeared as Doctor Roger Corby the original in the TOS first season episode What Are Little Girls Made Of. He's probably best known for his supporting role as Brigadier General Hobart Carver in the Academy Award winning nineteen seventy film Platon. He was also regular on the long running series The Edge of Night through the mid fifties to the late fifties, and guest starred on such television shows as The Untouchables, Guns, Mission Impossible, many other shows along the way. He appeared in the nineteen sixty six film Dead Heat on a Merry Go Round as well. So Happy birthday to Michael Strong.

1:27:16 Happy birthday as well to Elizabeth Hoffman, who lived to be ninety seven years old. She was the actress who played the role of Biavanni in the Next Generation third season episode The Price. She was actually born in Corvallis or again Just a Few Miles from Here, and portrayed Miss Mason in three episodes of Little House in the Prairide, but I think is probably better known later on as having a recurring role as Eleanor Krieger on thirty Something from nineteen eighty nine to nineteen ninety one. She also starred as Beatrice b Reid in one hundred and twenty seven episodes of Sisters from nineteen ninety one to nineteen ninety six. Last, but not least, appeared in a couple episodes of Stargate SG one if you're a fan of that show a little dabble into science fiction outside of Star Trek. So Elizabeth Hoffman born February eighth, nineteen twenty six lived to be ninety seven years a year old.

1:28:19 Happy Birthday to her Happy Birthday, as well to Gene Lyons, who was the tos actor in a Taste of Armageddon, who played Robert Fox. He was pretty much a professional guest star throughout his entire career. He guest starred in almost seventy television guest spots beginning in nineteen fifty, including sixty six episodes as Commissioner Dennis Randall on the TV series Ironside from nineteen sixty seven to nineteen seventy four. Happy birthday to Gene Lyons, who we lost way too early, way back in nineteen seventy four at the young age age of fifty three years old. Happy birthday as well to Paul Comy. He's the actor who played Lieutenant Styles in the COS first season episode Balance of Terror.

1:29:12 You all know who he is. Comy starred started acting in nineteen fifty seven and continued until nineteen ninety five, making about one hundred television guest appearances, about twenty movies, and a number of reoccurring television roles. He appeared three times in fact on one of my favorite shows, The Twilight Zone. He also appeared on The Lieutenant Conquest of the Planet of the Apes, The Towering Inferno, and Howard the Duck from nineteen eighty six. Happy Birthday to Paul Comy. Happy birthday as well to Susan Oliver. That was the stage name of the actress Charlotte Gurky, a New York native who played Veena on the TOS first pilot episode of the Cage, one of Pike's first loves.

1:30:03 Despite the Orion dancing we get in the episode, Oliver wasn't actually a dancer before playing Viena. Therefore, she trained with a choreographer every day of the week before she began filming that episode. In common with major Barrett rod, Mary, Oliver also worked as a test subject for the Orion makeup, later recalling they tried many many things on me until they finally found what they wanted, lots of green on her back in the day. Years later, she wanted to direct an episode of the Next Generation, but never got the chance, the response being that she didn't know enough about visual effects. This despite the fact that a knowledge of visual effects was not a director's requirement for the series. Ugh, sounds like a little bit of sexism to me. She received an Emmy Award nomination for her performance in the three hour nineteen seventy six NBC television movie Amelia Earhart and if you haven't seen that television movie, I suggest you go out and try and find it. It's pretty darn good. She also did a documentary about her life entitled The Green Girl, which was released in twenty fourteen.

1:31:18 Happy Birthday to Susan Oliver lost back in nineteen ninety at the age of fifty eight years old. And last, but not least, we'd like to pay homage to perhaps one of the greatest composers of all time, Jerry Goldsmith. Jerry Goldsmith lost back in two thousand and four at the age of seventy five, was a film and television composer and conductor who wrote the musical scores for five Star Trek movies and the main title theme for two Star Trek spinoff series and You Want to Talk about accolades. He was nominated for eighteen Academy Awards, winning only one, and also won five Emmy Awards. He was also nominated for the nineteen eighty Saturn Award for Best Music for Star Trek the Motion Picture.

1:32:09 Goldsmith was Ashley. Star Trek creator Gene Roddenberry's original choice to compose music for nineteen sixty five's The Cage, which would have included the show's theme music. Goldsmith had to decline, however, as he was committed to other projects, and he recommended that Alexander Courage, who was mostly just an arranger at the time, write the score instead. In nineteen seventy nine, Roddenberry offered Goldsmith Star Trek the motion picture, and the composer leaped at the opportunity. Here, Goldsmith was tasked with reinventing a franchise and creating a brand new theme. He himself remarked that it was the toughest music he ever wrote, and it remains a remarkable achievement. In nineteen ninety eight, he scored, of course, Star Trek five the Final Frontier. In nineteen ninety two, he was approached by Paramount Pictures to write the main title theme for Star Trek Deep Space nine.

1:33:10 He commented, yes, I was supposed to do that, and I had a conflict and I couldn't. So the Deep Space nine theme that we hear is actually not Jerry Goldsmith's, despite the fact that I'm sure he would have completely knocked it out of the park. He did, however, in nineteen ninety four, write the main theme for Star Trek Voyager, for which he won an Emmy Award. He later composed the scores for Star Trek First Contact and Star Trek Insurrection, and he finished his work with the franchise with Star Trek Nemesis. It's really really hard to go through all of the things that this man contributed to movies. He only won one Academy Award along the way, which was for scoring the nineteen seventy six horror movie The Omen.

1:33:58 But if you just look up his IMD IMDb page, it is all over the place. I mean you've got The Omen, of course, you've got Total Recall, the nineteen sixty eight Planet of the Apes, Populon. I mean, they're at least fifty plus movies to this guy's credit where he just just knocked it out of the park every single time he wrote a soundtrack. So I just have a lot of respect for these composers that help bring emotion to these movies, help bring us into the story through aural means, and I think Jerry Goldsmith is one of the best ever, like honestly, so I would suggest that you go check out his IMDBP IMDBP page, familiarize yourself with all of his movies outside of Star Trek, and just grab their soundtracks from your favorite music listening service because he is really, really something special. So happy birthday to Jerry Goldsmith. And I'm gonna go ahead and pass this on to Charles here.

1:35:11 Thank you. Eric. Let's tart off with a happy birthday to Rico Sisto, the actor played Sanketh in the Star Trek Next Generation Thursdays and episode Seric. Happy Birthday, Liam McIntyre, actress who voiced doctor Harrison horse Berry in Star Trek's Lower Decks fifth season episode Star Bates eighty. Happy Birthday to Philip and Glem actress who played Burrell and Toast in Star Trek d Space nine and the Mirror Universe of his same character in the sixties an episode of Resurrection, and Last Time My List. Happy Birthday to Stephen Manly, actress who played Spock at seventeen in Star Trek three of The Search for Spock. And now I'm going to play this burning cannel over to Paul.

1:36:13 Thank you, Charles. First up, let's head over to Voyager and say happy birthday to the wacky Ethan Phillips actor, best known to US Star Trek fans as playing the culinary and dowed Neelix through all seven seasons of Star Trek Voyager. He played a couple of other different Frangie characters as well, once on Next Gen and another in Star Trek Enterprise, and made an uncredited cameo as a holographic Major d in Star Trek First Contact, So give that a eyeball next time you're checking that out there. But a very fun presence, to be sure. Happy birthday to Marianna Hill, actress who played Helen Noel in the Star Trek original series first season episode Dagger of the Mind. Really interesting character, really, you know, you see a lot of these hookups for Captain Kirk right during the course of his you know, career.

1:37:06 But that was a really good initial one because it was very realistic the who way their whole relationship was, and the fact that they're having to have a little bit of a shared past, but then they're really stuck in like kind of the you know, life or death situation in. This penal colony. And she did a great job, really good performer, So a very memorable character, to be sure, and Dagger of the Mind to top notch. Happy birthday to Julie Warner, actress who played Christy Henshaw in the Next Generation third season episodes Booby Tramp and Transfigurations. And we were talking a lot about First Contact earlier, so let's say happy birthday today to the always awesome Neil McDonough actor played Lieutenant Hawk in First Contact. I think we all thought Lieutenant Hawk was going to like turn into some big character, right because he showed up in a lot of the publicity photos and he's kind of not an unknown right or like always, he's going to be a new recurring character.

1:38:02 I think there's a lot of us with his son, but not so much because he was dispatched pretty quickly. But he works a lot. He's worked for Steven Spielberg in Minority Report. He was in the very first Captain America movie. Really really good job there. I think he was on Justified for at least one season that I recall, but very engaging, charismatic cat. So happy birthday to you, Neil McDonald, and I think that's all I got, So it's back over to Uncle Jim. Why thank you so much, Paul. I only have three no Klingons this week, unfortunately, but I do have a Gorn. Well, let's say Happy birthday to Stephen Gregory. He's the actor who played Jake Curlin in The Star Trek the Next Generation episode.

1:38:51 Coming of Age. He's the dude that steals the Space Shuttle and Captain mc cart has to save him. So happy birthday, Happy birthday to stef and greg Gray. This next one here is an interesting one. We want to say happy birthday to Leslie Bets. She's the actress who played Ronoge in Star Trek Deep Space nine third and fourth season episodes The Homecoming and the Abandoned and Broken Link. But I think most of us are going to know her from space Balls. And there she is on the screen. Commander Jurgen Paul Is that her name? I think?

1:39:31 But anyways, I'm not as big of a space Ball's a visionado as you, Uncle Jim. Okay, that's fair enough. That's fair enough. And a last on my list, we want to say happy birthday to Bobby Clark. He's the dude that played the Gorn captain in the TOS episode Arena. He also appeared as an actor and at least three other Star Trek episodes, And there he is on the screen as the Gorn. Happy birthday to Bobby Clark. And that, my friends, wraps up our Star Trek birthdays. And now is time for some Star Trek news. Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on Secure channel incoming transmission enter authorization code command codes verified.

1:40:19 Define parameters of program level nine authorization require specifying parameters. Transfer updata is complete A blank alert, A blank alert. All right, guys, So Eric, you want to get us started with our Star Trek. News for this week, of course I do, Jim, this is my favorite segment, referred to as Stner says, what that's right, Limb. Schtner's back at it again and he describes the new versions of Star Trek as drum. Roll please, phenomenal. Not what I was expecting either. The moment you say Star Trek, the character that comes to mind is Captain James T. Kirk, And the moment you say Captain James T. Kirk, the actor who comes to mind is veteran star William Shatner. Thus his take on every development and new chapter of Star Trek piques the interest of the fans. However, once when Shatner had said Gene Rodberry, the creator of Star Trek, would be turning in his grave because of new track, which by the way, is a term that I absolutely hate, it didn't settle down well with the admirers of the franchise.

1:41:32 Shatner wanted to set the record straight, and thus he explained that he wasn't criticizing the whole franchise or its new directions. Of course, not. Instead, he was pointing out that the newer Star Trek series do not follow the strict guidelines set by Roddenberry. Quote. I wonder why some feathers would be ruffled by my saying the guy, the gentleman. I knew Eugene Roddenberry was very strict about military protocol. So having an intimate relationship with somebody you're working next to is verboten. You don't do that on the military thing. And they modern Star Trek shows, you know. I don't know about the last things.

1:42:13 But the couple of. Things I've noted is that there are relationships, sexual relations relationships going on between the people that would make Jean ron Berry turn in his grave. He explained this he called the last iterations of Star Trek however, phenomenal. It's like a good seed being planted all over. It'll be really, it'll be really in our lifetime, impossible to repeat, because it would take some entertainment to exist for sixty years from now to equal what Star Trek has done. We won't be alive. Then he added the statement echoed the sentiments of the fans who swear that Star Trek is one of the rarest franchises that stood the test of time with such great and I feel.

1:43:01 It maybe a little revisionist history from somebody who sounds like he's trying to get a job. Well, I do think that maybe he has seen the light. I don't know if he's revising history or he's just sort of come around. I will say that I believe that we are one of the podcasts out there who the minute Discovery came out, we're very excited about it. We're very excited about the new direction that Star Trek was taking. Did Discovery nail every single episode? No, but does any Star Trek actually nail every single episode? But what it did do was it brought Star Trek into the twenty first century in a way that even Star Trek two thousand and nine couldn't do. So I kind of like to see mister Shattner sort of coming around to the ways that some of us are thinking.

1:43:48 And and you know, maybe Paul, maybe he's. Looking like everything that goes into production you always here said well, I would offer to do a new version of Captain Kirk Sow with like the aging type of thing, and maybe we could do this. And I'm chatting with these folks to see if I can work on them. He's he's like his own agents or something. I mean, he's always, you know, looking for He's definitely. He's definitely looking for a way to keep this character roling, because, as Jim said, you know, this man gets one hundred thousand dollars every time he shows up at a convention. So I think he's just trying to maintain his relevancy as time goes by. But but that's beside the point.

1:44:30 He has acknowledged quote New Trek, which I'm not even sure exactly what that means. It used to mean Star Trek two thousand and nine Kelvin timeline stuff. I think people are referring to, you know, strange New Worlds and Discovery as New Trek these days. But but he, you know, he's not wrong. I mean, Gene Ronberry had a pretty narrow view of what life was like on an aircraft carrier, and that that's what Star Trek was. Going to be about. And I think we've just broadened our horizons a little bit more in realize that the human experience is not just military protocol. Well, I find it funny coming from the guy that scored with everything that moved talking about you know, you know what I'm saying. It's kind of a pot calling the kettle black, So I want to throw that out there. Anyways, But we love the shat He's the man at any rate. Oh, the fifty second. The fifty second Saturn Awards celebrate sci fi, fantasy and horror. And here is their winner's list, which was last week. By the way, the fifty Saturn Awards ceremony honored exceptional talent and these often overlooked genres. Held at the Hilton Universal City Hotel. Beyond celebrating achievements and entertainment, the Academy used this year's platform to raise awareness and support for those affected by the devastating wildfires in Los Angeles, incurring curing donations to aid rebuilding efforts. William Shatner received

1:46:05 the Lifetime Achievement Award from his son in law, Joel Gretschik, while Laurence Fishburne was honored with the Lance Reddick Legacy Award, presented by LeVar Burton, and Hikaru Sondra was given the Robert Foster Artist Award by Jonathan Nolan. Additionally, the fortieth anniversary of Back to the Future was commemorated with Christopher Lloyd, Leah Thompson, and Bob Gail receiving the George Pale Memorial Award. The Academy of Science Fiction, Fantasy and Horror is a nonprofit organization founded in nineteen seventy two by film historian doctor Donald A. Reid, and is supported by several hundred genre enthusiasts and professionals such as J. J. Abrams, Deane Devlin, Gail Annherd, Dielmo De Toro, Greg Beltani, and Kevin Feige, who have participated in the ongoing efforts of the Academy to promote genre film production and television programming since nineteen seventy two, and here are the winners for film. Best science Fiction Film Dune Part Two, Best Fantasy Film, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, Best Horror Film, Alien Romulus, Best Action Adventure Film Deadpool and Wolverine, Best Thriller Film, Strange Darlings, Best International Film Godzilla Minus one, Best Animated Film, The Wild Robot, Best Independent Film, Late Night with the Devil. Best Actor in

1:47:37 a Film, Nicholas Cage, Dream Scenario, Best Actress in a Film, Debbie Moore, The Substance. Best Supporting Actor in a Film, You Jackman, Deadpool and Wolverine. Best Supporting Actress in the Film Rebecca Ferguson for Dune Part two. Best Younger Performer in a Film Jenna Ortega and Beetlejuice Beetlejuice. Best Film Director Dennis vell Velluno. How is that helped me? Out? There? Paul Dennis Danny There We Go for Dune. Best Film Writing for Screenplay Osgod Perkins for Long Legs. Best Film Music Composer Danny Elfman for Beetlejuice Beetle Juice. Best Film Editing Dean Zimmerman and Shane Reed for Deadpool and Wolverine.

1:48:28 Best Film Production Design Petrees Vermoot from Deadpool and You Stay Right Where You Are Deadpool and Wolverine. Best Film Makeup The Substance Pierre Oliver Persian, Best Film Costume, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, The Colleen Attwood. Best Film Visual Special Effects Dune Part two Paul Lambert, Stephen James Ray Selcombe and Garrett nerfez And. For Television, Best Television Series was Fallout Fantasy Television, How of the Dragon horror series from Best Superhero Series, Agatha All Along, Best Action Thriller Series, Cobra Kai, Best Adventure Series, Monarch, Legacy of the Monsters, Best Animated Series, Star Wars, The bad Batch, Best Television Presentation The Walking Dead, The Ones Who Live. Best Actor in a Television Series Colin Ferrell and The Penguin. Best Actress in a Television Series Razario Dawson Star Wars, Ahsoka, Best Supporting Actor in a television Anthony Starr for The Boys, Best Supporting Actress in a Television Series, Kristin Milati for The Penguin, Best Younger Performer in a Television Series, Zolo Mondruno Mondree for Cobra Kai, and Best Starring a Television Series Mark Hamill The Fall of the House of Ussher but not least. For Home Entertainment,

1:50:01 Best Classic Home Media Release, Invasion of the Body Snatchers, My God, I love that movie. Best Television Movie Media Release, Star Wars and Or The Complete First Season, Best Horror Film Media Collection Batman's eighty fifth Anniversary Collection, and Best four K Home Media Release SAW ten. And that wraps everything up for the seven Awards, And paul I stuck this one in here just for you, buddy. Take it away. Thanks buddy, I appreciate that. You know, that was quite a long list there, Jim. If this is the Oscars, they would have played you off. I mean that was you know. And how in the hell is Saw ten best four K home media release of all the four K that has anything to do with genre in any way, shape or form.

1:50:49 That like wasn't didn't Star Trek the motion picture come out in four K this year? Well, I don't know. June two, I mean maybe that might be, you know, I mean I watch a lot of and there's no way Saw ten is even worth mentioning. I mean, please, all right, but thank you, uncle Jim, because this is new, really exciting new news for those of us who have a bit of a collecting bent. Because Master Replicas, which is actually a pretty decent shop, I gotta say, Master Replicas announces a new line of Star Trek toys with Hirst figures available for pre order. No which is exciting because it could be playtime again for Star Trek with a new line of toys coming from Master Replicas, with the two action figures already available for pre order right now.

1:51:36 He's Side Trading announced that they have signed a wide ranging deal with paramount consumer products, is that anything like omni consumer products to produce Star Trek toys and collectibles, including action figures and playsets, Replica phasers, communicators and trick orders, and other collectibles inspired by the franchise, all of which will be released with its Master Replica's brand. They will be releasing products tied to the new start Tark shows that's n ew was opposed to NU just you know, clearing that up, including Discovery Strange, New Worlds, Prodigy, Lower Decks, Picard Season Section thirty one, Section thirty one, and the forthcoming Star Trek Starfleet Academy. According to Master Replica's creative director Ben Robinson, a new range of four point five inch action figures will be at the center of their offering.

1:52:25 Our mission is to bring the fans what they've never had before. I'm delighted to say that we're also going to be bringing fans the first ever four point five inch Star Trek Lower Decks action figures and the cast of Star Trek Prodigy starting with Rocktalk. The figures will be sold exclusively through masterreplicas dot Com starting with Spock and Animal Picard, which are now available for pre order priced at twenty six bucks each, and new figures will be released every month. Ooh, every month. It's pretty good, fellas. The first figures are expected to be delivered in the third quarter of twenty twenty five. According to Robinson, by constants on direct the consumer sales, we can provide the fans with the kind of deep dive figures and collectibles that would be challenging for a traditional business. As fans ourselves, attention to detail is incredibly important to us, and we've been pouring over the reference materials to make some of these the best figures anyone's ever seen. Every figure will come with the accessor reason. We're even planning some exclusive online variants that come with the original fabric spotches from the Star Trek costume department. Let's not get carried away, Ben, Nobody is looking to buy that, but I would say this is good news, right. I mean, there's a lot of news folks trying to get into the Star Trek game.

1:53:40 Excuse me in the cell that we're still trying to get on. The show is definitely one I would love to get Ben Robinson on here, but Ben's in the UK, so I don't know if time zone wise, if we could work that out because right now in the UK it is it's two thirty in the morning. So yeah, I don't know if Ben, we'd have to like figure out some way around that for him, But he's a great cat. I follow him online. And the thing is, I got to say from personal experience, Master Replicas is great because there used to be this company called Eagle Moss, right, and Eagle Moss kind of went belly up and a lot of the stuff that they were playing. You know, everybody I think started fans should know Ego Mass right, they did all the replica ships and stuff like that, but they kind of went belly up right around the time they were doing ships from the Expanse and Stargate.

1:54:28 Master Replicas stepped in with a whole lot of money and they saved it and they were able to actually be true to their word and produce the figures they said they were going to because a lot of fans gave up and said, we're never going to see this stuff now because Eagle Moss went, you know up, But no, I have. Master Replicas has done a really good job. They've done some figures for other UK properties like Thunderbirds and Space nineteen ninety nine that folks thought, oh, there's no way this will happen, but they delivered them on time when they said they would, and they were pretty decent. So based on what I've seen from these pictures here so far, I am liking what I'm seeing. Yeah, I know, I know, twenty six plucks for a figure is a little steep, it is, But if the quality is as good as these prototypes are, I think I'm down. I think I'm down because I'm a very enthusiastic collector of the Playmates line right that five inch scale that this is, and I always hated when all of a sudden you're getting all these six inch figures in different variant scales and it's just it's just no good. Plus, this fills the missing rock Talk thing that happened when Playmates tried to do Prodigy figures and then they stopped midway and they did bungle their license, like I couldn't even believe.

1:55:42 So we're gonna get a rock Talk, even if it's maybe not exactly the same scales. Yeah, this, but I call that good news. Direct to consumer is definitely the way to go and not depend on retailers and stuff like that, so I think that's pretty sweet there. So I don't see a negative here, friends, I think this is all real, especially if they're offering new figures every month. That's great. I mean, that's that's pretty sweet, So I don't see it downside here. I will be pre ordering and look forward to reviewing them on the show. And by the way, those lower decks figures look fantastic. I have seen nobody handling that arm of the franchise yet and those look really good. I mean, look at those. Those look fantastic. So I think we got a winner here. And Master replicas you can definitely they when you you know they my experiences, they deliver, they don't lay you down. So I'm kind of excited. Look, Uncle Jim, you're not going to get that Wharf. The headings are on Wednesdays. You're gonna get the bettings. It's on Wednesdays edition of Wharf.

1:56:41 I know you are. I will pound you until you do. That is that's something you need to have. So this is all good news. And I think I'm out of time because it's six thirty one, so we're not a little excited. That's that's why I gave you that story. Thank you guys. So that wraps up our show. I can't believe how fast time flies when you have fun, and boy does it fly. I want to remind you guys, next week we're gonna be talking to John Simpson, who played Young Sarah and starts with five the Final Frontier. Head over to Trek Talking dot Com, record your questions, comments, whatever, and then tune into the show on Thursday to hear them played back right here live on the air. I want to say thank you to Charles for hanging out and Trek Talking with us tonight. Thank you so much, Charles. Okay, and I want to say thank you to Eric for hanging out in Trek Talking with us.

1:57:31 Thank you so much, Eric, absolutely, Thank you guys. Of course that's all right. And thank you so much to Paul for hanging out with us and sharing insight on Master replicas. Yeah, and it was good. Thanks for choosing the theme you did tonight, Jim. A lot of people are scared and freaked out, and I think it's it just I don't know. It helps to talk about stuff right. And not only talk about it, brother, but like not stick your head in the sand a portunity. It's not happening, because the more we do that, the more power we give to the people who are doing the things that they're doing. So the more we talk about it, the more it's out in the open, the more we choose to be activists about things, the better.

1:58:14 And you know, also one one minor point here, which may sound narcissistic, but I'm still going to say it, right is we have this podcast is a pretty international audience. You see when we go through and we read through the fan shout outs every week, right, I mean, I think it's kind of helpful for folks. I think right now, a lot of people in other countries are like Americans are a holes. Not all of us are. Why are you guys such a holes? I mean they really, you know, and we're not. We're not all these money hungry monsters that sometimes we get perceived as. So I think this is helpful to kind of say, hey, you know, no surprise, because we all like Star Trek, maybe we are a little bit more open minded and not quite so hateful. So maybe this is helping, you know, change the minds and have people not go completely right off the USA, because I see a lot of people wanting to do that right now.

1:59:04 So hope, as David you know, evoked for us tonight, resilience, strength of the human spirit. I think that's really important to hang on to. Hope. Yeah, well, you know what gave me the idea was when I heard about wanting to open up Guantanamo Bay and fill it up with immigrants and turn around and annex the gods a strip and send criminals over there, you know, take over the Panama Canal, roll into Greenland and all this crazy talk. And you know, I thought, you know, we need to talk about this. We need to get this out there, We need to have these conversations. And that's why I decided to talk about that this week.

1:59:45 So anyways, and last, but not least, on our list is our very own mister Scotti himself, my miracle worker. David, thank you so much for hanging out with us and making the show work tonight. David, thank you. Yeah, you did all the work. By the way I shout, I can see that. Is give him some Moldie cheese. He'll be happy. That won't work, you might blow up, Oh boy. All right, guys, well guess what. Star Trek fans are the best fans. You better believe that. Thank you so much for being a fan. And please everybody be good to each other and stay safe. Hailing frequencies are closed.

2:00:26 Good night, everybody, prosper farewell all stations. I'm ready for departure, sir. Some problem right, just hoping this isn't the usual way of missions will go, sir. Oh, No Number one. I'm sure it most will be much more interesting. Let's see what's out there. No.