Feb. 15, 2025

Episode-622

Episode-622

In this episode of Trek Talking, the hosts celebrate their 622nd episode, introduce their crew, and  share upcoming guests and highlights, engage in fan shoutouts from around the world, and dive into Star Trek polls, particularly focusing on favorite...

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In this episode of Trek Talking, the hosts celebrate their 622nd episode, introduce their crew, and share upcoming guests and highlights, engage in fan shoutouts from around the world, and dive into Star Trek polls, particularly focusing on favorite soundtracks. The conversation shifts to a more serious note as they explore the ethical dilemmas presented in Star Trek Insurrection, leading to a discussion on George Takei's graphic novel, 'They Called Us Enemy', which recounts his childhood experiences in American concentration camps during World War II. The hosts emphasize the importance of remembering history to prevent similar injustices from occurring in the future. In this conversation, exploring its artistic elements, personal narratives, and the historical context of Japanese internment during World War II. They discuss the emotional impact of the story, the importance of advocacy, and the role of fear in society. The conversation emphasizes the need for awareness and education about historical injustices, as well as the significance of diversity and the dangers of misinformation. In this conversation, the participants explore the themes of art's healing power, the importance of education, and the need for critical thinking in today's society. They reflect on the significance of storytelling and its impact on resilience and activism. The discussion also touches on the legacy of Star Trek, including memorable birthdays of its cast members and the evolving nature of the franchise, particularly in relation to William Shatner's views on new iterations of Star Trek. The conversation concludes with exciting news about new Star Trek collectibles.

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Now talk about the series I'm coming to you on

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things Services. Now we talk about the series cow Boks

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Well, good evening, Trekky's and Trekkers around the Globe. Welcome

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to trek Talking, Episode six hundred and twenty two. Can

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you believe that? Guys?

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Wow?

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So like just yesterday, it feels more like six hundred

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and twenty four.

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Yes, it's gonna say.

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Yeah.

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Those literally some of those that really feel long. You're like,

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oh my god, you know they got extra mileage.

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So I'm your most excellent host, Uncle Jim with you,

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and I want to introduce to you my incredible truck

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spursts that are going to be chatting with us tonight

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we'll start off. Actually, we're gonna hang out in Portland.

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We're not even gonna go to Vegas this time, so

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let's start off with Eric. Eric is out in Portland.

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How are you doing tonight?

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Eric?

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Oh man, I'm doing good. I am so thankful to

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have a nice, warm, toasty house tonight. We got some

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snow on the ground, We got some nasty, nasty he

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winds are blowing. I just I feel so fortunate to

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be nice and toasty in my little basement here, being

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able to talk about Star Trek right now.

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Yeah, and we're having the same type of weather here, ice, snow, rain.

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We're expecting a lot of snow over the weekend, but

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we won't talk about that. And also from Portland, we

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have Paul the toy Guy.

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How you doing, Paul, Hey man, I'm doing okay. I'm

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a little under the weather this week. So if you

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my energy level is lower, if I'm on mute a lot,

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or occasionally have to turn off my camera, just fill

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in the blanks as the why. But so, yeah, I

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actually like winter weather a lot, So I'm like I'm

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bringing on you know, as long as you know, hopefully

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the power stays on that you know, certainly makes it

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more pleasant. Yeah, I'm I do okay. I have a

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fireplace and lots of firewood and you know, some recessive

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Viking jeans, so I think.

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I'll be okay. But I enjoy it.

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I like I like the into time, and I'm it's

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any week that you hear there's new Star Trek toys.

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Coming our way.

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Yeah, it's kind of a good week, so I'm excited

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to to you know, for that little news drop that

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came this week was pretty cool.

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Yeah, it's gonna be fun. We're definitely going to talk

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about that later too, so don't you worry. And wrapping

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up my Truk sports for tonight's shown. Until Charles gets

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his power back on and can join us, we have

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David and you'll never guess where David's from Portland as

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well as something in the water out there, I'm pretty good.

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I like to introduce you guys to my new pet sheet,

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my twin.

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He's your toy.

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So yeah, it's been pretty good out here. It's been

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really cold though, Oh my goodness. I'm not too much

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of a winter kind of guy. I'm more of a

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putting person, but yeah, I don't mind the winter too much,

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but it does get pretty cold as I get older,

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I get.

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You get older. When you get colder, you're a poet

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and didn't even know it. All right, guys, you can

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week we're going to be joined by John Simpson, who

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played the young Sarah in the flashback scenes of My

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Favorite Star Trek Movie Star Trek five, The Final Front Tier.

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He also appeared in the films A Stranger, Love, Film Club,

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The Pure Snappers, and Jolene. Having appeared on stage in

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Los Angeles and Phoenix, and he worked on motion pictures,

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television shows and in a multitude of commercials. His focus

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is on a sense of lighting and composition through his photography.

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So he'll be with us next week and we can

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talk to him about working with Leonardnimoy, working with Lawrence Luckingbill,

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who was a guest on this podcast not too long ago,

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and have some fun. So again, head over to trek

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Talking dot com and record a question for him and

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we will play it.

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On the podcast.

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He while you're well, no Facebook? Yeah, so we're on

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all kinds of social media right now. We used to

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be mostly on Facebook. Book. Facebook is still being a dank,

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so I don't rely as much on Facebook as we

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used to. But if you do go to Facebook, you'll

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see a big livelong and prosper at the top of

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the page asking you where you're listening from. All you

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need to do is drop us a line and tell

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us where you're from and kind of leave some emojis

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because it catches my attention, and then you want to

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tune into the next podcast so that you can hear

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your name red on a future fan shout out. So, Eric,

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would you like to get us started with our fans

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shout outs?

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I absolutely would, Jim.

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This week, we're going to spin that globe all the

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way over across the pond to Essex, England, and we're

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going to say hello to our good friend David Burton.

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David Burton, thank you so much for listening to us

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over there in the UK, where things seem to be

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a little more sane than they are here at the moment.

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We really appreciate your support and always appreciate our our

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friends in that amazing country there. We're also saying hello

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this week to Alexandria Scheintech, who's sang hello to us

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from Munich Bavaria that's in Germany, in case you were wondering,

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and you have.

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Delicious Ham, Delicious Ham and Bavaria.

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Thanks Alexandria for listening to our podcast and for supporting

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us in all the ways that you do. I'd also

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like to say hello this week to Kathy Vepunt, who

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is also saying hello to us from Germany, but this

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time from Nordhorn in Germany. Hello, Kathy, thank you so much,

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and live long and prosper to you. Also hello to

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Sarah Cassimatis, who's sang hello to us from down undo

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in Sydney, Australia, sending us that lovely Australian flag, which

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I'm one hundred percent positive is what actually captured Jim's attention. Sarah,

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you know all the way through the planet. I don't

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know if you're exactly on the opposite side of the planet.

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Kind of feels like you are. But it's amazing how

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far the reach of our podcast and of Star Trek

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is and it's really really important to us to have

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people like you supporting us from so far away.

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So thank you for that.

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I'm going to spin it back to the United States

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here and we're going to say hello this week to

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Todd Aaron who's hailing from Mississippi, amazing state down there.

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Thank you Todd for saying hello to us. Also saying

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Hello this week to Stacy Alexander Shipman from South Carolina

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out there on the East coast. I've been to South

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Carolina a couple of times. Very very beautiful, very beautiful area, Stacy,

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thank you so much for supporting us from there. Larry

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Price is checking in from Austin, Texas. Of course, he

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says he's originally from the Washington, DC area, but I

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consider Austin, Texas to kind of be Portland's sister city.

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I don't think we are officially, but it feels like

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we got kind of the same vibe. Good music, good food,

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good politics. So thanks so much for listening from Austin, Texas.

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And last on my list here we're saying hello this

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week to Kelly Coyle, who's saying hello to us from Tonopa, Arizona. David,

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who would you like to say hello to this week?

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Yeah, thank you, Eric show uh for my list, I

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have a welcome and thank you for listening to Sheriff

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Payne from Florida. Uh. And next, you're welcome and thank

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you to Shoji Crouchwig from Michigan. And going a little

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bit more west is hello and thank you to Diane

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on Antonio from California. Usa. Last on my list. A

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thank you and welcome to Della j Hoape from uh

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Mechanics Mechanicsburg. I had word in my head. I just

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couldn't pit it out, but I'm going to give this

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to Paul. So who's on your list?

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Yeah, you know, Mechanicsburg. It's just down the road from obstetricians.

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Burg, right, you know, or male Man's Burg.

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It's just funny how all these towns, you know, I

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guess they had a big naming convention back in the day.

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It could be yeah, you know, proctologists Burg. That's one

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of my favorites. But anyhow, let's go and mess around

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with some longitude and latitude and see where we end up. God,

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I would just about plots to be in this country

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right now because our good friend Lars Grandolf saying hello

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to us from Skelefte, Sweden. Oh my god, those Nordic countries.

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You got it right, people, Yeah right.

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You know, any survey you do of what, what are

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the what of the regions of the countries where people.

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Rank highest?

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Unlike the joy Index, the happiness scale, right, you're looking

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at like Sweden, Denmark, Norway, all those areas up there.

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So Lars.

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I'm sure whatever Lars is doing right now is probably

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got a great big smile on their face, watching their

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favorite part of the Star Trek franchise, or just enjoying

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the fact that it's winter one or the other. But

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keep on doing like you do, Lars, Grandlolf, and it

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is wonderful to hear from you. Don't be surprised if

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some of us folks end up coming to visit you

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or try to migrate, yeah, because because yeah, I might

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have to, you know, make some changes I'm not sure,

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or take this route because I'm seeing, you know, a

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plethora of flags from the beautiful country of Columbia that

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are signaling me to come land and making me feel

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very welcome there from our friend Miguel Antonio holghen Gestillo.

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And that is a wonderful salutation, Miguel. So I love

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knowing that. I don't know, it's just, you know, we

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get in our little bubbles and it's just so great

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to know that this Star Trek fans all over the planet.

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It just makes me feel really good, you know, because

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we feel I'm not tipping our hat towards where this

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show's theme is going in any way.

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Tonight at all.

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But sometimes there is so much tribalism going on that

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you just sort of feel like, oh, my god, do

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we all have anything in common anymore? And so when

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we see that we have a lot of things in

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common with people want you know, other hemispheres, it makes

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me feel really good, right that I could just you know,

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you know, fall through a portal and show up in

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Columbia or Belgium or wherever, and I and I might

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just have the good fortune of running into one of

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these folks here and guess what, even though we're in

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different realms, we might actually have a lot in common

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and a lot more in common things. So I find

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that really comforting when times get crazy, like in Belgium

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where we have top fan Tomorrow days Lovay in Belgium,

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please forgive my pronunciation Tamara Tomorrow. It's been a little while,

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but I'm working on it. And speaking of top fans,

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if we go to Holland, we have top fan Andre

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Gore from Capella on and Inchel in Holland, and I

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think my pronunciation is bad there too, So whenever I

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see Capella, I always think of that fabulous star Trek

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Planet Cappella for from the original series episode Friday's Child.

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So I'm I see that word, and I'm just gravitates

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towards that, because you know, it's a Julie Nwmar appearance

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for what I'm supposed to do. Anyhow, there we go,

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so fans all over the place, in South America, in Europe,

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all over the place. If we could just get more

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people to, you know, similarly embrace the values of Star Trek,

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I think we'd be heading in the right direction, but

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it does kind of feel like we have a bit

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of an uphill bat would you concur with that right now?

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Uncle Jim, oh, beyond a shadow of a doubt, and

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we're probably gonna touch on that in tonight's show, I

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would think. So. Continuing on, I would like to say

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thank you to Wendy Farley, who's listening to us right

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now in Massachusetts us of a Thank you so much, Wendy.

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I also want to say thank you to Jim Wilson,

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who's in London, Ontario, Canada. Our good friend GM Chris

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is up there as well, so thank you for listening

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to Jim Wilson. We also want to say thank you

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to Kat Gardner, who's in Springfield, Missouri right now. Listening

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to Trek Talking. That is really cool. And I only

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have one top fan on my list tonight, and that

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would be Doug Graham, who's in Lewiston, Idaho, Idaho. The

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town is at the state of the Baked Potato? Am

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I right on that?

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I think just potatoes in general, not necessarily the baked potato,

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but not necessarily lots.

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Of potatoes the potato. All right, guys, that wraps up

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our fans shout outs. Thank you to each and every

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one of you guys. No matter where you are, please

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head over to our Facebook page truck Talking, or go

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you see that picture right there on the screen, you

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go to truck Talking dot com, that will link you

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to the right page and tell us where you're listening

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from and then tune into a future fan shout out

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to hear your name, And now it's time for our

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Star Trek polls.

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You know me like no Wind, but you thought about

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the show, len.

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We try.

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To share your opinions with all of our minions out there.

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Because they listen world, Why so tell us just what

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you get together?

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We will all treat roblin A.

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I gotta say, Eric, I just I love that theme song.

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It still makes me giggle when I hear the lyrics

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of like this is a really clever.

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There are opinions with all of our opinions that maybe

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the greatest lyric of all time.

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I mean, it's just it's just beautifully delivered. It's a

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thank you. Yeah, that's that's that's something you can go

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to bit proud of man.

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So again, guys, you can find our Star Trek polls

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on all of our socials, blue Sky, Tumblr, Facebook. All

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I need to do there is look for Star Trek

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poll under truck talking and then just answer our question

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and what about read it?

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Are we on Reddit?

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I don't know.

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I don't even know. We're not. I don't blew it

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is Tumblr?

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Is Tumblr still a thing?

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Well we're there, Okay, I haven't heard.

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I thought it was like my Space, I mean very

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tumblr in a long time.

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So every week, guys, I try to come up with

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some polls, have some fun. Sometimes they are really serious

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polls that deal with the prime directive. Other times they're

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just fun polls, and this week kind of split it

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in half a little bit. I have a fun poll

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which is related to our Star Trek birthdays, and then

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I have a very serious poll which is related to

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tonight's topic. So, without any further ado, Eric, would you

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like to dive into our poll? Question number one?

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I absolutely would, and I have to be honest, Jim,

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this is probably one of my favorite poll questions that

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has ever been asked on the show, So I hope

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you enjoy this. Listeners, what is your favorite Star Trek soundtrack?

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And my good friend and Scotty loves to collect Star

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Trek soundtracks on vinyl.

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I believe that he has.

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All of them, and I believe that he would agree

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with our listeners. So our listeners have said that the

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top soundtrack that they love from all ten movies is

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the Wrath of Khan, and that garnered twenty four percent

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of our voters twenty four percent. Now out of ten movies,

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twenty four percent is pretty solid, but not far behind

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it with twenty percent of our votes was, of course,

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the soundtrack for First Contact, which if you are a

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DNG person, I believe it's the one that usually comes

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to mind when you think awesome soundtracks. I mean all

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of that Borg related music just really sets the mood,

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I think. So second place First Contact with twenty percent.

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Then we have Star Trek the Motion Picture with fifteen

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percent of our voters voting for that one, the one

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that really set the standard, right, the new theme, all

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of that great orchestration, you know, just something that we

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had never heard before in Star Trek, So fifteen percent

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is pretty solid. In fourth place, we have Star Trek

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two thousand and nine with eight percent of the vote.

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Then next we have Star Trek four, the one with

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the whales, with six percent of our vote. Undiscovered Country

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Star Trek six, where our guests from last week had

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a hand in picking that great composer, got six percent

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of our votes. Generations also got six percent of our votes.

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Trek three and Star Trek Insurrection with Boach, with which

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both garnered three percent of the votes from our listeners.

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So hello, and then actually down here at the end,

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we've got a whole bunch at three percent, Star Trek

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Into Darkness, Star Trek Beyond, and last but probably not

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least in Jim's mind, we have Star Trek five with

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two percent of our votes. Oh wait, that's next to last.

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Nemesis is very less surprise.

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So this is how our fans voted. How do you vote, Eric.

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Oh Man, This is a tough one, te Man.

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Top three just the top three.

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So my top three are absolutely motion picture, Uh, First

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Contact and Star Trek two. I think those three are

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just so solid. We've got different composers in those, We've

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got different styles. Motion Picture, we have the introduction of

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the theme, which is amazing, Star Trek two, we have

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all the great tension that is built by the soundtrack,

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and First Contact. I gotta say, like, in my mind,

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it's the best of the TNG movies for many reasons,

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and the soundtrack is just one of the many reasons

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that it's the best TG movie. So yeah, those are

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my top three.

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How about how about you, Paul? Your top three?

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Well, the motion picture is amazing, I mean it really is.

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I mean, I think the score is one of the

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highlights of the entire picture. I mean it's just really

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really solid. I mean that, you know, the Klingon music

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from the very opening of the picture is just you know, unprecedented,

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really really good.

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I'm a big fan.

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Of Undiscovered Country and for six I think that does

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really well. But really, come on, I mean it really,

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is there any enjoy I mean it's Wrath of God.

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I mean, it's Wrath of God. I mean, that's just

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such a great soundtrack. I mean, the vibe that comes

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in there when the full on nautical combat as the

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Reliant is chasing the Enterprise and you're in the middle

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of the Nebula and it's just it's just, you know,

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it's just really, it's really difficult to set in your

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seat when that music is played because it's just so propulsive.

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Right, phenomenal soundtrack.

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I mean it's one of the because I'd argue more

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than any of those other pictures, the soundtrack is what

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really you know, brings a huge amount of the energy

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and poignancy to Rathacon. So it's just it's a again

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super shrewd move by Nicholas meyerder to you know, obtain

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the composer that he did. So I freaking love that movie.

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All right, how about you?

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David?

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Top three Star Trek soundtracks.

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A New Hope impart strikes back kidding see, uh my,

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the most memorable music for me is actually uh fust Contact.

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That would that probably be my foot pick, and it

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just stuck in my brain for a longer time, And

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even though it wasn't the last movie I saw, for

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some reason, I still remember how that song went. A

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lot of the other movies, they're kind of hard to remember.

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But if I had to pick two more, I think

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my second one would be the Introaction, to be honest,

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So that one also pops into my head. One of

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my favorite songs soundtracks that they had, especially in the

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beginning when they were just going down to the planet

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and stuff and you know, the whole sequence of that

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village and everything that that music was just really vibrating

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for me. And for my third pick, I would actually

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pick Star Trek in two thousand and nine. I liked

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how they kind of did a different take on the

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Star Trek music, and for me, I would just probably

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one of the finest percies of nick work together. So

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I don't know, I think those three would probably be

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my favorite.

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Well, you guys are going to be shocked when you

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hear mine. I'm sure you're going to be totally shocked.

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So yeah, I think that Jerry Goldsmith is brilliant, and

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I gotta go with Paul the motion picture is by five,

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and especially the double album Director's cut version of the

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of the soundtrack. It's got to be Star Trek the

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Motion Picture number one, all the way, always will be.

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End of story. It's just Jerry Goldsmith is brilliant. And

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since Jerry Goldsmith is so brilliant, then obviously Star Trek

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five would be second on my list because he composed

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that one as well. And then wrapping mine up for

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number three. It's a tough choice for me. It's it's

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either Star Trek six, The Undiscovered Country or First Contact.

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It's a tough choice for me because I love both

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of them so much, but I think I'll go with

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First Contact just because, like David said, I think that

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the Boord songs the Next Generation theme is just it

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feels Star Trek to me. So those would be my

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top three. And Charles just joined us, So welcome to

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the podcast chart. What are your top three favorite soundtracks

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of Star Trek.

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Looking at the list, probably.

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One, two and four.

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Okay, one, two and four, it is all right, So

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that was our first poll question.

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Guy.

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This next one, though, is a little bit more serious actually,

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and it's a little bit more along the lines of

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what we're going to talk about tonight. So, Eric, what

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is our second poll question for the night?

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Our second pole question is in the movie Star Trek Insurrection,

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Admiral Doherty plans on forcibly relocating the Baku so that

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the Federation can occupy the planet and take its fountain

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of youth regenerating properties. Do you agree with his decision?

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And I'm happy to say that one hundred percent of

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the people who voted on this one on our Facebook

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page said.

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No, way.

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Doherty obviously made the wrong choice. And I believe that

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that's the way the movie's written. And if you think

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that he made the right choice, then you probably just

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don't get it.

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You probably suck it, might be a fascist. If you

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believe that Doherty made the right decide.

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Please come with me. I'd like to show you this

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special room.

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That we have.

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It's called the Yeah.

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I mean, all opinions are valid except that one. You

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can't say yes to that question. No, that was well, no,

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David would be the one, right.

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I don't know.

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There might be some politicians that disagree.

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Well, you might be right, Charles, that's unfortunate, but you

476
00:26:54.640 --> 00:26:55.119
might be right.

477
00:26:55.799 --> 00:26:58.559
Yeah, that was you know, that was a pretty serious

478
00:26:58.680 --> 00:27:02.039
question that I felt we throw out there, especially with

479
00:27:02.160 --> 00:27:05.240
what's going on, especially with what we're about to talk about,

480
00:27:05.759 --> 00:27:08.000
and I just thought that would be an interesting question.

481
00:27:08.359 --> 00:27:08.519
Yeah.

482
00:27:08.559 --> 00:27:11.240
I mean, it's like in that movie that's obviously about

483
00:27:11.279 --> 00:27:15.319
a resource grab, right, it's about an admiral coming in

484
00:27:15.519 --> 00:27:19.480
and using his power without the knowledge one of the

485
00:27:19.599 --> 00:27:24.519
higher up brass in in uh in Starfleet, knowing what's

486
00:27:24.599 --> 00:27:28.480
going on. And I believe that the way the movie's

487
00:27:28.480 --> 00:27:30.480
written is to kind of make you believe that, you know,

488
00:27:30.599 --> 00:27:33.960
he's also himself an older gentleman who's maybe thinking that

489
00:27:34.079 --> 00:27:36.759
this thing might have some restorative properties for himself. So

490
00:27:36.880 --> 00:27:40.279
there's a little bit of selfishness involved there as well.

491
00:27:41.319 --> 00:27:43.680
He tries to play it off in the movie as

492
00:27:44.640 --> 00:27:47.480
something that, you know, might be a reasonable decision, but

493
00:27:47.559 --> 00:27:48.200
clearly it's not.

494
00:27:50.279 --> 00:27:53.799
No, it's it definitely is not. And uh, you know

495
00:27:53.920 --> 00:27:55.839
that's what we need. We need We need somebody like

496
00:27:55.920 --> 00:27:58.759
Captain Picard to step into the picture and say, yo, dude,

497
00:27:59.119 --> 00:28:02.240
we'll cut the crap, but slap that dude around a

498
00:28:02.279 --> 00:28:09.079
little bit. You know. We don't have that, so we

499
00:28:09.559 --> 00:28:13.400
have to rely on ourselves to do that. But yeah, yeah,

500
00:28:14.000 --> 00:28:15.799
so yeah, I agree. I mean, what can we say

501
00:28:15.799 --> 00:28:18.799
one hundred percent of our fans agreed with that, you know,

502
00:28:18.920 --> 00:28:21.839
there really is no If anyone didn't, then I want

503
00:28:21.880 --> 00:28:24.559
to get him on the show and ask them why. Yeah,

504
00:28:24.960 --> 00:28:29.160
I mean all I mean, maybe playing Devil's advocate here.

505
00:28:29.640 --> 00:28:35.599
Maybe because the planet wasn't their indigenous original planet that

506
00:28:35.720 --> 00:28:41.359
they they went there after the fact, and maybe the

507
00:28:41.519 --> 00:28:44.799
fact that there was only what two hundred of them

508
00:28:45.160 --> 00:28:51.039
maybe something like that. Yeah, maybe, but that's you know,

509
00:28:52.160 --> 00:28:52.880
that's a stretch.

510
00:28:54.000 --> 00:28:55.759
But yeah, I just want to.

511
00:28:55.799 --> 00:28:58.319
They weren't on that planet, I would totally say, yeah,

512
00:28:58.359 --> 00:29:00.599
go ahead and take their plans to resources. If nobody

513
00:29:00.720 --> 00:29:01.359
was there then.

514
00:29:01.319 --> 00:29:06.480
Yeah, yeah, but they were doing some some dirty, underhanded,

515
00:29:06.599 --> 00:29:11.279
crooked kind of stuff, some fascist, real imperialism stuff here.

516
00:29:11.359 --> 00:29:15.119
Yeah, But to be fair, though dirty, he never knew

517
00:29:15.359 --> 00:29:17.680
that people on the planet were the shame people in

518
00:29:17.880 --> 00:29:20.720
the ship with them show. Technically he didn't have all

519
00:29:20.759 --> 00:29:25.079
the uhite information show technically maybe I don't know.

520
00:29:25.440 --> 00:29:29.039
Well, he did get his face stretched, so he got

521
00:29:29.079 --> 00:29:33.920
what he deserved, all right, Yeah, Charles, anybody want to

522
00:29:34.079 --> 00:29:37.440
else want to chime in on this before we move on? Yes, no,

523
00:29:37.680 --> 00:29:41.799
maybe kind of okay. So the main topic of our

524
00:29:41.880 --> 00:29:46.039
podcast tonight is a graphic novel that was written by

525
00:29:46.079 --> 00:29:49.880
mister Sulu himself, mister George kay And it's the name

526
00:29:49.960 --> 00:29:53.359
of it is they called Us Enemy, And it's a

527
00:29:53.400 --> 00:29:57.359
graphic novel. It's a couple of them. It's a pretty

528
00:29:57.519 --> 00:30:00.519
thick graphic novel. I wasn't aware that it was a

529
00:30:00.599 --> 00:30:04.119
graphic novel because I saw a storybook version of it

530
00:30:04.759 --> 00:30:07.599
at Target and I, you know, that was the one

531
00:30:07.640 --> 00:30:09.400
I was going to pick up. And then I went

532
00:30:09.440 --> 00:30:11.440
to the bookstore to get it and the lady hands

533
00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:13.799
me this, you know book, and I'm like, is that

534
00:30:13.880 --> 00:30:16.640
the right one? And then that's when I realized that

535
00:30:16.720 --> 00:30:20.480
the story book had been edited down from the graphic novel.

536
00:30:20.559 --> 00:30:22.839
So I got the graphic novel and read it from

537
00:30:22.920 --> 00:30:24.359
cover to cover, and.

538
00:30:24.960 --> 00:30:29.839
Base story book it's a picture book for kids. Yes,

539
00:30:29.960 --> 00:30:33.400
I do have it in my It's a simplified version

540
00:30:33.480 --> 00:30:34.359
of the whole story.

541
00:30:35.759 --> 00:30:36.000
Yeah.

542
00:30:36.240 --> 00:30:38.440
So for those of you who aren't aware, I'm went

543
00:30:38.599 --> 00:30:41.279
here's what the jacket of the of the novel says.

544
00:30:41.680 --> 00:30:46.039
A stunning graphic memoir recounting actor, author activist George de

545
00:30:46.160 --> 00:30:51.200
Kaye's childhood imprisoned within American concentration camps during World War Two,

546
00:30:52.079 --> 00:30:57.359
experienced the forces that shaped an American icon and America itself.

547
00:30:57.920 --> 00:31:02.359
In this gripping tale of courage, country, loyalty, and love,

548
00:31:02.960 --> 00:31:06.119
George de Kay has captured hearts and minds worldwide with

549
00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:10.480
his captivating stage presence and outspoken commitment to equal rights.

550
00:31:11.079 --> 00:31:14.000
But long before he braved New Frontiers and Star Trek,

551
00:31:14.559 --> 00:31:16.720
he woke up as a four year old boy to

552
00:31:16.799 --> 00:31:20.039
find his own birth country at war, with his fathers

553
00:31:20.960 --> 00:31:24.279
and their entire family forced from their home into an

554
00:31:24.440 --> 00:31:29.119
uncertain future. In nineteen forty two, at the order of

555
00:31:29.200 --> 00:31:33.960
President Franklin D. Roosevelt, every person of Japanese descent on

556
00:31:34.079 --> 00:31:36.920
the West Coast was rounded up and shipped to one

557
00:31:37.000 --> 00:31:41.799
of ten relocation centers, hundreds of thousands of miles from

558
00:31:41.839 --> 00:31:45.839
their home, where they would be held for years under

559
00:31:46.039 --> 00:31:49.640
armed guard. They called us Enemy is to Kay's first

560
00:31:49.880 --> 00:31:53.559
account of these years behind barbwire, the joys and terrors

561
00:31:53.599 --> 00:31:57.640
of growing up under the legalized racism, his mother's hard choices,

562
00:31:58.240 --> 00:32:01.880
his father's faith and democracy, and the way those experiences

563
00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:06.079
planted the seeds for his astonishing future. What does it

564
00:32:06.200 --> 00:32:10.000
mean to be an American who gets to decide when

565
00:32:10.039 --> 00:32:13.039
the world is against you. What can one person do

566
00:32:13.759 --> 00:32:16.759
to answer these questions? George to Kai joins co writers

567
00:32:16.960 --> 00:32:21.240
Justin Eisinger and Steven Scott and Arnest Harmony Becker for

568
00:32:21.400 --> 00:32:26.799
The Journey of a Lifetime. And obviously I picked this

569
00:32:26.920 --> 00:32:30.400
particular topic tonight because a lot of what is in

570
00:32:30.559 --> 00:32:33.759
this book echoes what is happening right now in the

571
00:32:33.880 --> 00:32:37.200
United States of America and some of the things which

572
00:32:37.400 --> 00:32:42.000
our current administration wants to do in the United States

573
00:32:42.039 --> 00:32:46.279
of America. And I just think that it's important for

574
00:32:46.400 --> 00:32:51.240
people to understand history and make sure do your damnedest

575
00:32:51.759 --> 00:32:54.400
and try your hardest to make sure that it never

576
00:32:55.359 --> 00:32:59.880
never repeats itself ever. And people that say that can't

577
00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:02.559
happen here, look at these pictures up on the screen.

578
00:33:02.960 --> 00:33:07.240
These are actual internment camps in the United States of America,

579
00:33:07.799 --> 00:33:12.000
and these are actual American citizens. Their homes were confiscated,

580
00:33:12.039 --> 00:33:15.240
their businesses were shut down, they were discriminated against, they

581
00:33:15.279 --> 00:33:18.920
were rounded up, put on trains and brought to these camps.

582
00:33:19.000 --> 00:33:23.039
Looked how they were forced to live just because they

583
00:33:23.119 --> 00:33:29.000
were Japanese Americans. I it's wrong on so many levels.

584
00:33:29.119 --> 00:33:33.680
I don't even know where to begin, but I did

585
00:33:33.799 --> 00:33:41.920
read the graphic novel. I was really wow. I'm really

586
00:33:42.039 --> 00:33:46.759
touched by the whole thing. You know, when you think

587
00:33:46.799 --> 00:33:50.160
about what he went through with his family, The fact

588
00:33:50.279 --> 00:33:54.599
that he would go on to be an icon, to

589
00:33:54.720 --> 00:33:59.160
be mister Sulu, to be a beacon for other Japanese

590
00:33:59.200 --> 00:34:02.839
Americans after the way this country treated his family is

591
00:34:02.960 --> 00:34:05.880
a testament to the kind of man that he actually is.

592
00:34:07.240 --> 00:34:10.079
I just can't say enough. I've met him several times

593
00:34:10.119 --> 00:34:15.840
at conventions. He's an incredible guy, and you know, I

594
00:34:15.920 --> 00:34:18.440
wish there was some way to make up to him

595
00:34:19.159 --> 00:34:23.559
and you know, his family, what America put him through,

596
00:34:24.440 --> 00:34:28.039
because it's disgusting and it's a shame, and it's a

597
00:34:28.159 --> 00:34:35.159
stain on our country. And I'm afraid, I'm terrified, guys,

598
00:34:35.639 --> 00:34:39.440
that we are about to enter a whole new stain

599
00:34:39.679 --> 00:34:44.079
and the atrocities that are about to be unleashed will

600
00:34:44.119 --> 00:34:47.239
make this look like nothing. And we have to make

601
00:34:47.320 --> 00:34:49.960
sure that that does not happen. And I want to

602
00:34:50.000 --> 00:34:56.239
clarify something. This is not political by any means, don't

603
00:34:56.480 --> 00:34:58.800
you know. I think that it has turned into a

604
00:34:58.920 --> 00:35:05.679
humanitarian c It's turned into a constitutional crisis. And regardless

605
00:35:05.719 --> 00:35:08.000
of what side of the political spectrum you're on, we're

606
00:35:08.039 --> 00:35:11.159
all Americans and we all agree on one thing, freedom

607
00:35:12.039 --> 00:35:14.679
And when our freedoms are being challenged and taken away,

608
00:35:15.199 --> 00:35:17.480
we need to stand up as one unified voice and

609
00:35:17.559 --> 00:35:20.920
say no, enough is enough, and we need to draw

610
00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:24.639
that line in the sand and say no further. Does

611
00:35:24.719 --> 00:35:28.159
America have the guts to do that? Do we have

612
00:35:28.400 --> 00:35:30.880
the balls the courage to stand up and do that?

613
00:35:32.480 --> 00:35:37.320
That is the question. And I'm going to get off

614
00:35:37.360 --> 00:35:43.159
my soapbox because this pretty much upsets me, and you know,

615
00:35:43.360 --> 00:35:45.679
I want to hear from some of my other truck sports.

616
00:35:45.760 --> 00:35:48.079
So I'm gonna mute my mic and I'm going to

617
00:35:48.119 --> 00:35:49.039
turn it over to Eric.

618
00:35:49.159 --> 00:35:50.679
What do you think? Eric?

619
00:35:50.760 --> 00:35:52.360
What did you think about the book and what do

620
00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:53.800
you think about the situation?

621
00:35:54.480 --> 00:35:57.719
Yeah, so I've read the book a couple of times

622
00:35:57.760 --> 00:35:59.440
at this point. I read it back when it first

623
00:35:59.519 --> 00:36:04.199
came out in twenty nineteen. I remember, actually my wife

624
00:36:04.280 --> 00:36:06.199
is the one who introduced me to it because they

625
00:36:06.280 --> 00:36:08.840
got a copy of it at her middle school library

626
00:36:08.960 --> 00:36:12.360
that she runs, and she sort of had the scoop

627
00:36:12.480 --> 00:36:13.960
on it, and so she brought it home and I

628
00:36:14.039 --> 00:36:17.480
read it straight away and I was really touched by it.

629
00:36:17.559 --> 00:36:20.719
I mean, I think I'll start, I guess with the

630
00:36:20.960 --> 00:36:23.599
art side of things. So the art, this is a

631
00:36:23.719 --> 00:36:27.760
black and white graphic novel. It's about two hundred pages

632
00:36:27.920 --> 00:36:31.840
or so, slightly slightly more. The art was done by

633
00:36:32.119 --> 00:36:39.119
the amazing artist Harmony Becker, and she is a actor, author, activist,

634
00:36:40.079 --> 00:36:47.800
very involved in various communities who are looking toward social

635
00:36:48.039 --> 00:36:54.400
justice and just human rights in general. So I love

636
00:36:54.519 --> 00:36:57.199
her artistic style in this book. I feel like it's

637
00:36:57.360 --> 00:37:01.960
very simple and yet the scenes that she chooses to

638
00:37:02.079 --> 00:37:05.239
show and the composition of each one of the pages

639
00:37:05.320 --> 00:37:09.199
I think really helps bring out the power of the story.

640
00:37:10.480 --> 00:37:14.480
So I just really appreciate her as the artist on this.

641
00:37:15.159 --> 00:37:19.679
And of course the writing was done mostly by George Takay.

642
00:37:20.199 --> 00:37:22.679
He had a couple of people who helped him with

643
00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:26.920
it along the way. But it essentially takes you through

644
00:37:27.440 --> 00:37:31.760
the story from the beginning when his father was a

645
00:37:31.840 --> 00:37:36.519
business owner in Los Angeles, California, and it takes you

646
00:37:36.639 --> 00:37:41.199
all the way through the entire experience to the aftermath

647
00:37:41.440 --> 00:37:45.480
of what happened after the internment camps were shut down

648
00:37:46.360 --> 00:37:50.239
and the Japanese folks one hundred and twenty thousand people,

649
00:37:50.280 --> 00:37:55.840
by the way, had to reintegrate back into American society.

650
00:37:58.000 --> 00:38:01.920
I feel like I learned a lot this. I learned

651
00:38:02.039 --> 00:38:05.800
things like how so many of the Japanese that were

652
00:38:05.840 --> 00:38:11.119
in turned were coerced into renouncing their American citizenship because

653
00:38:11.159 --> 00:38:13.760
they felt like that was kind of the only choice

654
00:38:13.840 --> 00:38:17.199
that they had. I learned what the internment camps actually

655
00:38:17.320 --> 00:38:22.679
looked like. I learned about mister Takay's father and his

656
00:38:22.880 --> 00:38:28.440
pivotal role as the spokesperson for at least two different

657
00:38:28.800 --> 00:38:34.039
camps that they were in along the way. And one

658
00:38:34.079 --> 00:38:36.440
of the things that I think really touched me in

659
00:38:36.559 --> 00:38:40.159
my heart the most was the fact that remember that

660
00:38:40.320 --> 00:38:45.440
when George was only four years old, that's when this

661
00:38:45.639 --> 00:38:48.679
all sort of started going down. So can you imagine

662
00:38:48.800 --> 00:38:52.159
as a child of four years old, you know, being

663
00:38:52.199 --> 00:38:54.400
told by your parents, oh my gosh, you have to

664
00:38:54.480 --> 00:38:56.559
pack your bags as quickly as possible, we have to

665
00:38:56.639 --> 00:38:58.960
go to this thing. And he does a great job

666
00:38:59.039 --> 00:39:02.360
in the book at of showing us how from a

667
00:39:02.440 --> 00:39:06.400
four year old's perspective, some of it is fun, right,

668
00:39:06.559 --> 00:39:08.639
some of it looks like an adventure. We get to

669
00:39:08.719 --> 00:39:11.000
go on a train, we get to move to a

670
00:39:11.079 --> 00:39:14.840
different place, we get to try different things. And it

671
00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:20.159
wasn't until later in his adult years or young adult years,

672
00:39:20.280 --> 00:39:23.440
when his father actually explained what was going on to him,

673
00:39:23.519 --> 00:39:26.000
that he was able to put kind of some of

674
00:39:26.079 --> 00:39:31.559
his childhood memories into context. And I just found that,

675
00:39:32.119 --> 00:39:36.199
in particular, really powerful, because I remember being a child,

676
00:39:36.280 --> 00:39:38.960
I remember thinking as a child. I hope I never

677
00:39:39.079 --> 00:39:41.159
forget what it was like to be a child, because

678
00:39:41.159 --> 00:39:44.480
I think that child's mind kicks in information in a

679
00:39:44.559 --> 00:39:49.440
fundamentally different way than adult minds do, and there is

680
00:39:49.519 --> 00:39:55.000
a sweetness to that. There's an innocence and ignorance to

681
00:39:55.159 --> 00:39:59.039
that that kind of makes some situations that maybe weren't

682
00:39:59.079 --> 00:40:05.079
so good a little nicer. But then later on you

683
00:40:05.159 --> 00:40:06.840
kind of find out what was really going on and

684
00:40:06.960 --> 00:40:10.400
you sort of learn the context for that. So I

685
00:40:10.559 --> 00:40:14.760
just really I just really appreciated that. I also really

686
00:40:14.840 --> 00:40:18.639
appreciate the fact that he has taken this book beyond

687
00:40:18.760 --> 00:40:23.639
the book and of course developed the musical allegiance associated

688
00:40:23.760 --> 00:40:28.239
with this. I haven't had a chance to see allegiance,

689
00:40:28.320 --> 00:40:32.320
it has not come to Portland yet, but I understand

690
00:40:32.400 --> 00:40:35.400
that it's a faithful adaptation essentially of kind of the

691
00:40:35.559 --> 00:40:39.679
story and the arc that this book has. And I

692
00:40:39.840 --> 00:40:44.280
think musicals have a unique way of being able to

693
00:40:44.480 --> 00:40:48.159
develop and express emotions that some other art forms are

694
00:40:48.199 --> 00:40:51.199
not able to do. You know, you kind of have

695
00:40:51.239 --> 00:40:52.920
to be along for the ride because nobody in real

696
00:40:52.960 --> 00:40:55.960
life actually stops and starts to sing about what's going on.

697
00:40:56.239 --> 00:40:59.599
But in a really good musical that doesn't take you

698
00:40:59.679 --> 00:41:03.280
out of the story, right, that actually builds upon the story.

699
00:41:03.320 --> 00:41:05.880
You think about great performances of Fiddler on the Roof

700
00:41:06.119 --> 00:41:08.719
for some of these other West Side stories, some of

701
00:41:08.800 --> 00:41:13.119
these other musicals that deal with racial persecution or racial

702
00:41:13.199 --> 00:41:16.360
issues or cultural issues of that kind of thing. And

703
00:41:16.880 --> 00:41:21.679
I'm sure Allegiances is very much done in the same way. So,

704
00:41:22.599 --> 00:41:24.719
you know, as I said, I've read this book twice now,

705
00:41:26.280 --> 00:41:29.519
there was about five years between when I first read

706
00:41:29.559 --> 00:41:32.039
it and then I just finished reading it just yesterday

707
00:41:32.239 --> 00:41:34.880
right before the podcast again, and I.

708
00:41:34.880 --> 00:41:36.320
Think it kind of hit me the same way.

709
00:41:36.599 --> 00:41:38.239
You know, I feel like I still was kind of

710
00:41:38.320 --> 00:41:44.639
relearning the details about what happened. I feel like I

711
00:41:44.719 --> 00:41:47.599
had kind of like a general idea of what the

712
00:41:47.719 --> 00:41:52.599
Japanese internment camps were like, but his telling of the

713
00:41:52.719 --> 00:41:56.480
story brings you into it and gives you some kind

714
00:41:56.519 --> 00:42:00.920
of unique first person perspectives. Actually, before I go, I'll

715
00:42:00.960 --> 00:42:03.599
just say that one of my favorite parts is he

716
00:42:03.800 --> 00:42:05.679
talks about two thirds of the way through the book

717
00:42:05.760 --> 00:42:09.639
or so about how when he was a teenager, he

718
00:42:09.840 --> 00:42:12.360
engaged his father about these things and was like, Dad,

719
00:42:13.079 --> 00:42:15.559
why didn't you stand up? Why didn't you fight for

720
00:42:15.639 --> 00:42:18.039
your rights? Why did you give in? Why did you

721
00:42:18.159 --> 00:42:22.239
do all of this stuff? And his dad was just like, listen,

722
00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:26.119
you at this point in your life, you can't really

723
00:42:26.360 --> 00:42:30.639
understand what the situation was really like. And I think

724
00:42:30.679 --> 00:42:32.800
we all kind of have to remember that, you know,

725
00:42:33.000 --> 00:42:36.400
as crazy stuff happens in the world, we have to

726
00:42:36.480 --> 00:42:40.599
remember there's the trees and then there's the forest for

727
00:42:40.719 --> 00:42:42.559
the trees, and we kind of have to take it

728
00:42:42.639 --> 00:42:44.719
all in at the same time. And it's a lot

729
00:42:45.519 --> 00:42:47.960
like there's no question there's a lot of strong emotions

730
00:42:48.079 --> 00:42:52.039
going on in this book. In the United States in particular,

731
00:42:52.440 --> 00:42:57.960
as we're going along this path that the people in

732
00:42:58.079 --> 00:43:02.760
charge are currently putting us on, it's important to stand

733
00:43:02.880 --> 00:43:07.639
up for what you believe in. It's important to fight

734
00:43:07.800 --> 00:43:10.880
for your own rights. It's important to fight for the

735
00:43:11.000 --> 00:43:15.199
rights of people who have less power than you. So

736
00:43:15.840 --> 00:43:18.400
for me, it was kind of an affirmation and a

737
00:43:18.480 --> 00:43:25.239
reaffirmation of the fact that I, as a white man

738
00:43:25.280 --> 00:43:28.320
in this country, hold a lot of power and it's

739
00:43:28.480 --> 00:43:30.880
up to me to make sure that I help defend

740
00:43:30.920 --> 00:43:35.639
the rights of those people who have less power than

741
00:43:35.679 --> 00:43:39.679
I do right now, and I'm I'm happy to do so.

742
00:43:40.039 --> 00:43:42.639
So this is a fantastic book. I think whether you

743
00:43:42.920 --> 00:43:47.079
are twelve years old, thirteen years old, or whether you're

744
00:43:47.079 --> 00:43:50.559
an adult in your fifty sixty seventies, whatever, you should

745
00:43:50.559 --> 00:43:52.480
absolutely read this book. Even if you feel like you

746
00:43:52.719 --> 00:43:56.000
know the story of the Japanese internment camps, I still

747
00:43:56.119 --> 00:43:58.679
encourage you to read this because I think told from

748
00:43:58.719 --> 00:44:01.920
this first person perspective in a very simple way. You know,

749
00:44:02.000 --> 00:44:03.960
it's a two hundred page graphic novel, so this will

750
00:44:04.000 --> 00:44:07.760
literally take you maybe two hours, maybe three hours to

751
00:44:07.840 --> 00:44:11.039
sit down and read. It's not it's not a big

752
00:44:11.119 --> 00:44:14.360
slog at all, and it will really enlighten you and

753
00:44:14.480 --> 00:44:17.840
I feel like give you context for a lot of

754
00:44:17.920 --> 00:44:19.920
stuff that's still very very current.

755
00:44:20.039 --> 00:44:26.199
Unfortunately, absolutely, Eric, I could not agree with you anymore.

756
00:44:26.280 --> 00:44:28.760
And the fact that the story is being told by

757
00:44:28.840 --> 00:44:33.239
mister Sulu, you know, it's this isn't just some random

758
00:44:33.320 --> 00:44:36.320
this is mister Sulu from Star Trek telling this story

759
00:44:37.159 --> 00:44:40.199
from his point of view. It's and there's the artwork

760
00:44:40.239 --> 00:44:43.679
you were talking about right there, So it's I think

761
00:44:43.719 --> 00:44:46.559
it's moving. I think it's pivotal. I think it's relevant

762
00:44:46.679 --> 00:44:49.920
to today. I think everybody should read it and then

763
00:44:50.360 --> 00:44:52.840
look at the newspaper, watch the news, look around you

764
00:44:53.559 --> 00:44:56.599
and see what's going on. So, Paul, would you like

765
00:44:56.679 --> 00:44:57.679
to jump in here next?

766
00:44:59.039 --> 00:45:01.679
Yeah, I mean I'm not really in a position to

767
00:45:01.760 --> 00:45:04.880
talk a lot about the book specifically because I just

768
00:45:04.960 --> 00:45:06.599
haven't ad a chance to get my hands on a copy.

769
00:45:07.239 --> 00:45:09.159
So I'm very familiar with George to K though, and

770
00:45:09.320 --> 00:45:12.920
very familiar with his work on this topic, the musical

771
00:45:12.960 --> 00:45:16.239
allegiance that Eric referenced, right, So, I mean it's he's

772
00:45:16.440 --> 00:45:18.119
done a lot of work on making sure I think,

773
00:45:18.760 --> 00:45:21.559
you know, a good artist has a conscience, right, And

774
00:45:21.639 --> 00:45:24.039
George t Kay has been great about making sure that

775
00:45:24.199 --> 00:45:27.679
this story is not forgotten and that awareness is raised,

776
00:45:27.719 --> 00:45:32.800
and that you remind people of it, you know, ideally

777
00:45:32.920 --> 00:45:34.559
so that history doesn't repeat itself.

778
00:45:34.639 --> 00:45:35.639
But that's you know, the.

779
00:45:38.760 --> 00:45:41.679
You know, I don't like to depict myself as being

780
00:45:41.719 --> 00:45:47.480
a cynical person, but human beings are very flawed species, right,

781
00:45:47.599 --> 00:45:51.719
I mean, we are we we repeat our mistakes over

782
00:45:51.960 --> 00:45:55.199
and over again. And that's one of the reasons I

783
00:45:55.239 --> 00:45:56.760
think that a lot of us keep coming back to

784
00:45:56.800 --> 00:46:00.199
Star Trek is because it's, you know, when it's done well,

785
00:46:01.000 --> 00:46:03.760
it's a paints a vision of a future where we've

786
00:46:03.800 --> 00:46:08.320
managed to somehow finally evolve past that and get beyond it. Right,

787
00:46:08.480 --> 00:46:12.599
because you know, you'll look some of the images that

788
00:46:12.920 --> 00:46:14.719
we've got up on screen here right now. This is

789
00:46:15.119 --> 00:46:18.360
you know, it's one thing to say an internment camp, right,

790
00:46:18.559 --> 00:46:19.800
Language is very.

791
00:46:22.360 --> 00:46:22.920
Strange.

792
00:46:23.559 --> 00:46:26.719
Language can make you feel things, and it can basically

793
00:46:26.840 --> 00:46:30.079
it's just like, you know, it's like if I say, hey,

794
00:46:30.199 --> 00:46:32.679
don't ship over here, as opposed to like, hey, don't

795
00:46:33.159 --> 00:46:34.320
excrement over there.

796
00:46:34.400 --> 00:46:34.519
Right.

797
00:46:34.679 --> 00:46:38.320
I mean we're calling this an internment camp. It's a

798
00:46:38.400 --> 00:46:43.079
concentration camp, guys. I mean, you know, there's you know,

799
00:46:43.360 --> 00:46:47.039
there's no difference really. I mean, basically, a concentration camp

800
00:46:47.519 --> 00:46:49.280
is where you take your other human beings and you

801
00:46:49.400 --> 00:46:54.079
treat them like animals. And that's what we're that's what

802
00:46:54.199 --> 00:46:56.840
we're you know, seeing intimations of Again. It's just like

803
00:46:58.199 --> 00:47:00.480
the biggest problem I think that we can continue to

804
00:47:00.559 --> 00:47:04.599
face as a species is our reliance on fear.

805
00:47:06.280 --> 00:47:06.400
Right.

806
00:47:06.960 --> 00:47:08.440
Fear is is something that.

807
00:47:10.360 --> 00:47:13.599
Ambitious people in positions of authority like to use to

808
00:47:13.679 --> 00:47:17.760
control others. Right, fear, If you do this, you're going to.

809
00:47:17.760 --> 00:47:20.320
Go to hell. Threat threat threat. Right.

810
00:47:20.719 --> 00:47:22.599
This guy over here, he's trying to take your lunch.

811
00:47:22.719 --> 00:47:24.320
This guy from another country, he's kind of trying to

812
00:47:24.400 --> 00:47:28.880
your job. Right, And so that is I mean, this

813
00:47:29.119 --> 00:47:31.719
tactic is thousands of years old.

814
00:47:32.480 --> 00:47:32.639
Right.

815
00:47:32.840 --> 00:47:40.199
The avaricious, you know, deep pocketed, a moral bastard you

816
00:47:40.320 --> 00:47:44.440
fill in the blanks, who wants to basically take one

817
00:47:44.559 --> 00:47:48.280
segment of the population and use it against another one. Right,

818
00:47:48.960 --> 00:47:52.960
somebody you know, chest moves essentially. And fear is a

819
00:47:53.000 --> 00:47:57.360
powerful tool, unfortunately, right, because people really succumb to it.

820
00:47:58.000 --> 00:47:58.159
Right.

821
00:47:58.280 --> 00:48:02.679
Self preservation is a strong instinct and difficult to overcome.

822
00:48:02.800 --> 00:48:07.280
And so when somebody's giving you a fearful threat and

823
00:48:07.400 --> 00:48:09.960
saying if you don't do what I say, this threat's

824
00:48:10.000 --> 00:48:13.400
going to happen to you. Right, most people, it's very

825
00:48:13.480 --> 00:48:15.239
rare that people have the strength to stand up against

826
00:48:15.280 --> 00:48:18.199
that and fight back and push back, right, because you

827
00:48:18.280 --> 00:48:20.199
tend to want to good, put your head down and

828
00:48:20.280 --> 00:48:24.000
not get harmed, or let your family be harmed or

829
00:48:24.039 --> 00:48:26.159
what have you. Right, So it's a difficult thing. So

830
00:48:26.400 --> 00:48:29.960
we and fear is what works in this situation. Right

831
00:48:30.199 --> 00:48:33.440
is basically it's the it's you know, the number one

832
00:48:33.800 --> 00:48:37.840
huge reason I think why Star Trek continues to endure,

833
00:48:38.679 --> 00:48:43.840
right is because it sees past that core human instinct.

834
00:48:44.199 --> 00:48:48.159
Right is with the way mankind has been for thousands

835
00:48:48.199 --> 00:48:51.320
and thousands of years. It's that whole notion that we

836
00:48:51.400 --> 00:48:57.320
can easily be convinced to fear the other. Right, whoever

837
00:48:57.519 --> 00:49:00.599
the other is okay, that that is somebody that you

838
00:49:00.679 --> 00:49:05.239
should be fearful of the unknown, in whatever shape it

839
00:49:05.320 --> 00:49:09.159
may be, especially other entities. You don't know what it is,

840
00:49:09.320 --> 00:49:13.800
so you should be scared of that. Excuse me, I

841
00:49:13.920 --> 00:49:17.280
hear people in the supermarket speaking a language I don't understand.

842
00:49:18.199 --> 00:49:20.119
I should be you should be afraid of that, because

843
00:49:20.159 --> 00:49:24.119
who knows what they're saying? Right, It's that whole fear pedaling, right,

844
00:49:24.280 --> 00:49:25.920
I mean, And a lot of times this is you know,

845
00:49:26.480 --> 00:49:28.800
you see it coming from all different quarters. Of society

846
00:49:29.039 --> 00:49:32.960
politics from religious people who are trying to manipulate and

847
00:49:33.280 --> 00:49:37.840
use those things. Politics isn't inherently bad. Religious religion isn't

848
00:49:37.840 --> 00:49:41.079
inherently bad, but it can often be used in malicious

849
00:49:41.239 --> 00:49:43.880
ends by people who want to manipulate others. And fear

850
00:49:44.840 --> 00:49:47.760
is the common mortar between those bricks. If we can

851
00:49:47.800 --> 00:49:51.519
get you to fear somebody who's different from you, suddenly

852
00:49:51.559 --> 00:49:54.400
they are no longer a human being. They are a object.

853
00:49:55.519 --> 00:49:58.320
You know, they are a thing. And it's a lot

854
00:49:58.440 --> 00:50:02.599
easier to put thing is in a concentration camp, then

855
00:50:02.679 --> 00:50:05.599
it is your fellow human beings, because if you don't

856
00:50:05.639 --> 00:50:08.679
see them as human beings, it's you know, it's a

857
00:50:08.760 --> 00:50:12.800
lot easier to treat them in a non human way.

858
00:50:12.920 --> 00:50:16.039
And and this is what we're moving towards. Unfortunately right now,

859
00:50:17.400 --> 00:50:20.280
you know, there is a lot of work being done

860
00:50:20.400 --> 00:50:26.840
to you know, demonize the immigrant in this country. And

861
00:50:27.800 --> 00:50:31.519
you know, dread irony, this is who we are. This

862
00:50:31.719 --> 00:50:36.400
is this entire country is a country of immigrants. We've

863
00:50:36.639 --> 00:50:41.280
always been that way. If you've ever been a New Yorker,

864
00:50:41.360 --> 00:50:46.199
you see the Statue of Liberty, right, you see, we've

865
00:50:46.280 --> 00:50:49.639
always been There's no one here unless you're you know,

866
00:50:49.760 --> 00:50:54.960
like Leonard Peltier, right, who is not an immigrant. We

867
00:50:55.079 --> 00:50:59.239
all come from someplace else originally. But there's this entitled

868
00:50:59.280 --> 00:51:06.039
fear mongering unfortunately, that is determined to continue making one

869
00:51:06.079 --> 00:51:11.360
part of society fear and dread the other to achieve

870
00:51:11.440 --> 00:51:17.119
their goals, right, and their goals are to get control

871
00:51:17.199 --> 00:51:19.039
over you and get you to do what they want

872
00:51:19.079 --> 00:51:24.199
you to do, and to make as much money as possible,

873
00:51:25.760 --> 00:51:29.760
rather than trying to help people and do good. There's

874
00:51:30.119 --> 00:51:34.280
powerful influences that are looking to profit and exploit from people,

875
00:51:34.440 --> 00:51:38.599
and a body count is of no consequence. They'd rather

876
00:51:39.039 --> 00:51:42.400
when you're only concerned with counting money. So this is

877
00:51:42.840 --> 00:51:47.559
where we're heading, and it's very troubling. I do think though,

878
00:51:47.599 --> 00:51:50.280
that while we are a very flawed species and we

879
00:51:50.400 --> 00:51:52.639
do respond very easy to fear, I think that we

880
00:51:52.760 --> 00:51:59.840
also do have the capability to rise above it. And

881
00:52:00.000 --> 00:52:03.119
and we've seen that in the past, you know, especially

882
00:52:03.199 --> 00:52:06.360
during the Second World War. We can rise above it,

883
00:52:06.639 --> 00:52:10.599
and we can, you know, like Lincoln said, we can

884
00:52:10.719 --> 00:52:15.880
you know, to come to the better angels.

885
00:52:15.440 --> 00:52:16.039
Of our nature.

886
00:52:16.159 --> 00:52:16.280
Right.

887
00:52:16.400 --> 00:52:18.920
I believe it's a phrase, but it.

888
00:52:19.239 --> 00:52:22.079
Requires a lot of vigilance and a lot of calm,

889
00:52:22.239 --> 00:52:24.000
and you have to be able to go through this

890
00:52:24.079 --> 00:52:28.440
stuff and try to not respond fearful when you see

891
00:52:28.719 --> 00:52:31.719
you know, when you see bad things happening, you have

892
00:52:31.800 --> 00:52:33.239
to try to approach it from a different way and

893
00:52:33.320 --> 00:52:35.960
not be scary. And it's scary. What's going on right

894
00:52:35.960 --> 00:52:37.440
now in some quarters. It's very scary.

895
00:52:38.320 --> 00:52:39.039
So we have to.

896
00:52:42.519 --> 00:52:45.639
Pardon me, we have to just you know, do our

897
00:52:45.719 --> 00:52:48.880
best what happens. I do like to think, though, I mean,

898
00:52:49.800 --> 00:52:52.480
this is what Star Trek is though, right eventually, you know,

899
00:52:52.639 --> 00:52:54.840
in the best Star Trek, I mean that's growing up

900
00:52:54.880 --> 00:52:59.760
watching the original series, they painted a really broad of course, we.

901
00:52:59.800 --> 00:53:02.519
Have beyond that. What are you talking about? Yes, we did.

902
00:53:02.719 --> 00:53:06.679
You know they putting a multicultural crew together on the bridge,

903
00:53:07.079 --> 00:53:10.880
regardless of race, regardless of gender, everyone is equal, and

904
00:53:11.039 --> 00:53:17.760
that genes perspective was differences. How you get there is

905
00:53:17.880 --> 00:53:22.360
differences are something to be celebrated and you know, rejoice

906
00:53:22.440 --> 00:53:25.840
it to not be afraid of right and 'till we're

907
00:53:25.840 --> 00:53:29.760
able to make that paradigm shift as a culture, we're

908
00:53:29.760 --> 00:53:31.280
going to keep repeating this stuff over and.

909
00:53:31.280 --> 00:53:31.960
Over and over again.

910
00:53:32.039 --> 00:53:34.440
So, Paul, one of the things I always remind people

911
00:53:34.559 --> 00:53:39.719
of is that in biological systems, diversity is the only

912
00:53:39.920 --> 00:53:42.920
thing that helps them propagate. Like, as soon as you

913
00:53:43.079 --> 00:53:47.639
become homogeneous in a biological system, whether it's you know,

914
00:53:48.320 --> 00:53:51.360
brothers and sisters breeding with each other at a microscopic

915
00:53:51.519 --> 00:53:55.679
level or that sort of stuff, that stuff always leads

916
00:53:55.719 --> 00:54:00.159
to doom. It's only when you have the diversity and

917
00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:04.519
constant new ideas and new themes and new genetics coming

918
00:54:04.679 --> 00:54:08.760
into the system that the system actually takes off and

919
00:54:08.880 --> 00:54:12.519
is able to be what it can potentially be. So

920
00:54:13.000 --> 00:54:16.239
I feel like there's not only like philosophical basis for that,

921
00:54:16.800 --> 00:54:22.159
but there's like scientific proof that diversity matters.

922
00:54:22.840 --> 00:54:27.400
I agree with you, but unfortunately, you know, it's the

923
00:54:27.559 --> 00:54:32.159
opposition mindset is challenging to cope with because we've now

924
00:54:32.280 --> 00:54:35.800
moved into a new era that is kind of uncharted

925
00:54:35.880 --> 00:54:39.840
territory we've never really been before, where now science is

926
00:54:39.960 --> 00:54:42.880
being sold to something that you should also be afraid of,

927
00:54:43.159 --> 00:54:46.480
that you should not trust. Right, I mean, we just

928
00:54:46.719 --> 00:54:52.079
made you know, a very non scientific individual in charge

929
00:54:52.119 --> 00:54:56.000
of the nation's health, right, I mean that's you know,

930
00:54:56.519 --> 00:54:58.280
I don't know what's going to happen with that, but

931
00:54:58.559 --> 00:55:03.599
I'm you know, take step takes appropriate steps would be

932
00:55:03.840 --> 00:55:06.239
the only thing I can advise at this point. Look

933
00:55:06.280 --> 00:55:12.280
after yourself and you know, be prepared. But yeah, it's

934
00:55:12.360 --> 00:55:14.480
just you know, now when you have people, it's just

935
00:55:14.559 --> 00:55:17.039
like you know, you say, but look, I'm Eric's got

936
00:55:17.039 --> 00:55:20.760
all this science that shows this. They don't want that.

937
00:55:20.960 --> 00:55:23.239
They don't care that, they don't trust that. Science is

938
00:55:23.320 --> 00:55:25.960
not something that they speak. It doesn't work for them.

939
00:55:26.239 --> 00:55:28.559
They're like, no, I don't want your stick shift. I

940
00:55:28.679 --> 00:55:33.239
drive an automatic. Sorry, I mean, that's it's tough. It's

941
00:55:33.400 --> 00:55:34.119
really difficult.

942
00:55:34.199 --> 00:55:34.360
You know.

943
00:55:34.440 --> 00:55:38.360
We're I really hope we can evolve past this and that.

944
00:55:39.760 --> 00:55:42.559
But you know, we're talking about this really early in

945
00:55:44.639 --> 00:55:47.559
you know, the latter part of February twenty twenty five,

946
00:55:47.679 --> 00:55:50.760
and this stuff's been only going on for the last

947
00:55:51.239 --> 00:55:55.519
few weeks. And I think, you know, it's good that

948
00:55:55.639 --> 00:55:57.840
Jim brings us up as a topic of the show

949
00:55:58.000 --> 00:56:00.800
because it's like, in just a few weeks, this is what,

950
00:56:02.360 --> 00:56:06.119
you know, the thirteenth of February here, right, I mean

951
00:56:06.199 --> 00:56:08.760
we you know, barely anything's been going on. This will

952
00:56:08.840 --> 00:56:11.480
been less than a couple of weeks, you know, less

953
00:56:11.480 --> 00:56:15.119
than a month. I think, But it's just like so

954
00:56:15.280 --> 00:56:19.039
much has happened, and people are scared, right, and especially

955
00:56:19.079 --> 00:56:22.039
if you are a person of color, or a person

956
00:56:22.079 --> 00:56:26.800
of who's an immigrant, or a person who is trans

957
00:56:28.320 --> 00:56:32.440
or a woman, or or just a free thinking person.

958
00:56:33.360 --> 00:56:35.199
There's a lot of fear going on there about what

959
00:56:35.960 --> 00:56:38.320
you know, you're what this is all going to mean

960
00:56:38.400 --> 00:56:40.039
for us. I don't think anybody wants to end up

961
00:56:40.039 --> 00:56:45.559
in a concentration camp. And you know, a few years

962
00:56:45.599 --> 00:56:48.119
ago that seemed like a crazy concept. Oh of course

963
00:56:48.199 --> 00:56:51.400
not now we're not so sure. So I think I

964
00:56:51.440 --> 00:56:52.719
think that's about all I have to say on it,

965
00:56:52.800 --> 00:56:54.960
though it does inspire me to go read this book.

966
00:56:55.000 --> 00:56:57.400
Though I suspect probably a good idea to get a

967
00:56:58.159 --> 00:57:01.559
copy of this book while you can, because this is

968
00:57:01.599 --> 00:57:03.760
the kind of book that they are going to want

969
00:57:03.800 --> 00:57:05.280
to make sure you can no longer obtain.

970
00:57:06.960 --> 00:57:08.480
They're in stock at Cosmic Monkey.

971
00:57:08.519 --> 00:57:15.440
By Cosmic Monkey. So, Charles, did you get a chance

972
00:57:15.519 --> 00:57:16.519
to flip through the book?

973
00:57:16.599 --> 00:57:16.760
Yet?

974
00:57:17.880 --> 00:57:24.800
Yes, I did, got my kindle warmed up and got

975
00:57:24.880 --> 00:57:25.719
it read this week.

976
00:57:27.880 --> 00:57:31.800
Actually what we bought actually I learned a little bit.

977
00:57:33.119 --> 00:57:35.880
I know a little bit about this story a few

978
00:57:36.000 --> 00:57:42.079
years ago, but not as much detail as this book got.

979
00:57:43.960 --> 00:57:47.599
I know Jim always talks about loving the Little Star

980
00:57:47.800 --> 00:57:55.639
Trek Pocket novels. Well, there was a one released in

981
00:57:55.920 --> 00:58:03.280
nineteen ninety four, Well to This Stars an autobiography of

982
00:58:03.360 --> 00:58:10.079
George Dekai mister Sulu, and so I got the audio

983
00:58:10.199 --> 00:58:15.199
book a few years ago, I think just insteads I

984
00:58:15.280 --> 00:58:20.920
got around twenty nineteen. I'm not sure when I first

985
00:58:21.039 --> 00:58:24.880
heard it, but I thought, oh, it'd be interesting to

986
00:58:25.000 --> 00:58:30.440
hear some of his stories and he got into the

987
00:58:30.559 --> 00:58:35.719
tournament camps and not as much details as book did,

988
00:58:36.679 --> 00:58:41.559
but it gave me an interesting perspective of what happened

989
00:58:41.599 --> 00:58:49.800
to him. And that was before Alliance came out, so

990
00:58:49.880 --> 00:58:57.239
it was interesting to hear it then and have what's

991
00:58:57.360 --> 00:58:58.599
happened to George?

992
00:59:03.119 --> 00:59:03.800
So that.

993
00:59:07.199 --> 00:59:11.159
I was following him. I was sort of more following

994
00:59:11.239 --> 00:59:15.840
him back when he started to get big in Facebook.

995
00:59:22.920 --> 00:59:27.800
Sorry Allegiance not a Liance. Sorry mine's a little elsewhere tonight.

996
00:59:32.360 --> 00:59:35.079
But I.

997
00:59:36.800 --> 00:59:39.480
Was following him when he released his first couple of

998
00:59:40.199 --> 00:59:44.039
internet books, and the Internet books were very interesting.

999
00:59:46.480 --> 00:59:47.199
It would.

1000
00:59:53.000 --> 00:59:56.480
I can't remember the whole title of it, but when

1001
00:59:56.519 --> 01:00:01.840
you hear the comments and bears, oh my, that was

1002
01:00:02.079 --> 01:00:06.960
his first book discussed in the Internet and what was

1003
01:00:07.039 --> 01:00:09.280
going on with him and the Internet at the time.

1004
01:00:11.119 --> 01:00:12.880
I have to dig around sometimes see if I can

1005
01:00:12.960 --> 01:00:17.440
find that book again. But that gave us an interesting

1006
01:00:17.440 --> 01:00:23.039
little perspective between that and the pocket novel, what happened

1007
01:00:23.079 --> 01:00:29.320
with him, what happened with the Japanese. And I thought

1008
01:00:29.480 --> 01:00:37.440
interesting in the graphic novel that it mentioned that he

1009
01:00:37.559 --> 01:00:41.559
went trying to look at the history books and it

1010
01:00:41.760 --> 01:00:46.079
wasn't sitting there. And I think that's something that's so true,

1011
01:00:46.320 --> 01:00:48.679
is you look at our history books, and our history

1012
01:00:48.719 --> 01:00:52.320
books don't talk about they talk about what happened in

1013
01:00:52.360 --> 01:00:56.440
the battles in Japan, didn't talk about what happened to

1014
01:00:56.559 --> 01:01:05.280
the Japanese in America, And it's something that US history

1015
01:01:05.320 --> 01:01:07.880
doesn't want to talk about, doesn't want to admit they

1016
01:01:08.000 --> 01:01:09.079
actually did.

1017
01:01:12.920 --> 01:01:14.320
So I didn't know.

1018
01:01:14.519 --> 01:01:17.840
I knew about his father being the leader of one camp.

1019
01:01:18.519 --> 01:01:23.880
I didn't really realize about the two camps and how

1020
01:01:24.000 --> 01:01:29.800
they moved the no Nos to a different camp and

1021
01:01:29.920 --> 01:01:34.280
then threatened to ship deport them, take their citizenship away

1022
01:01:34.320 --> 01:01:38.519
and deport them. And I'm glad we had some people

1023
01:01:38.800 --> 01:01:44.480
that stood up and helped protect them. Helped his mom

1024
01:01:44.760 --> 01:01:46.920
stay in the country and not get chipped back.

1025
01:01:50.559 --> 01:01:53.760
Did you think, Actually, I mean, that was one of

1026
01:01:53.800 --> 01:01:55.639
the cool things in the book there, Charles, was that

1027
01:01:56.480 --> 01:01:59.880
his mom actually denounces her citizenship because she feels like

1028
01:02:00.559 --> 01:02:04.039
it's the only option. And then it was like years

1029
01:02:04.119 --> 01:02:09.559
of legal battles afterward to get the citizenship back, because

1030
01:02:09.719 --> 01:02:12.320
of course, when you're in the soup, you don't know

1031
01:02:12.480 --> 01:02:14.400
you're in the soup, and you don't know that the

1032
01:02:14.480 --> 01:02:16.920
war is gonna end in like a year or a

1033
01:02:17.039 --> 01:02:19.000
year and a half, so so you do what you

1034
01:02:19.119 --> 01:02:19.760
think you need to.

1035
01:02:19.800 --> 01:02:22.920
Do, right well, and they and she's and they admitted

1036
01:02:22.920 --> 01:02:26.360
in the book they said she was. She was days

1037
01:02:26.480 --> 01:02:33.320
or weeks away from getting shipped back to Japan. So

1038
01:02:34.199 --> 01:02:37.559
it really was an eye opener to show what did happen.

1039
01:02:39.159 --> 01:02:40.760
And I think it was interesting to take it as

1040
01:02:40.880 --> 01:02:46.960
perspective of a little kid who's stuck in this and

1041
01:02:47.039 --> 01:02:56.000
it's like, well, America did do the wrong thing with

1042
01:02:56.280 --> 01:03:03.079
their citizens, and I think the advent made. They eventually

1043
01:03:04.400 --> 01:03:07.519
said they were sorry, but it took so long to

1044
01:03:07.760 --> 01:03:11.320
do it, and I'm not sure it was complete enough

1045
01:03:12.039 --> 01:03:16.119
for what they should have done. And it's interesting that

1046
01:03:16.239 --> 01:03:23.920
it took presidents in the nineties to finally try to

1047
01:03:24.400 --> 01:03:27.719
resolve and apologize for the thing that they did back

1048
01:03:27.760 --> 01:03:27.960
in the.

1049
01:03:28.039 --> 01:03:36.280
Forties, Republican presidents. That's what's amazing.

1050
01:03:36.880 --> 01:03:38.920
Like, Yeah, well we.

1051
01:03:39.000 --> 01:03:42.599
Went through Carter's era, and Carter's era didn't do anything, and.

1052
01:03:47.199 --> 01:03:48.719
Yeah, now it was Clinton.

1053
01:03:49.440 --> 01:03:51.760
It was back to Clinton where they finally actually I think,

1054
01:03:51.800 --> 01:03:52.920
started to really do stuff.

1055
01:03:53.920 --> 01:03:59.360
Well, you're correct, Reagan acknowledged it. Clinton is the one

1056
01:03:59.400 --> 01:04:00.559
who did something thing about it.

1057
01:04:01.119 --> 01:04:01.360
Yeah.

1058
01:04:04.760 --> 01:04:08.840
So it's it's a serious, serious book to read about.

1059
01:04:08.960 --> 01:04:12.719
It's a good book to read if you want something

1060
01:04:12.719 --> 01:04:18.000
a little if you want something a little simpler for

1061
01:04:18.199 --> 01:04:21.199
the kids, there is a picture book that does a

1062
01:04:21.239 --> 01:04:25.360
good job. Also, I have it in my collection somewhere.

1063
01:04:29.199 --> 01:04:31.519
But for a good history lesson, this was a good

1064
01:04:31.679 --> 01:04:32.440
history lesson.

1065
01:04:34.960 --> 01:04:35.159
Yeah.

1066
01:04:35.280 --> 01:04:38.440
Absolutely, we got to spend more time really looking and

1067
01:04:38.519 --> 01:04:41.599
saying what what did happen with history?

1068
01:04:44.400 --> 01:04:51.239
But well, worth a book worth having. You get to

1069
01:04:51.280 --> 01:04:53.239
bring up the kaboos on this one, buddy, What do

1070
01:04:53.320 --> 01:04:53.639
you think?

1071
01:04:55.960 --> 01:05:03.119
Boy? I read through his book probably within the next

1072
01:05:03.800 --> 01:05:07.400
last a couple of days. It took me about two hours.

1073
01:05:08.559 --> 01:05:10.280
I just read it through. I couldn't put it down

1074
01:05:10.320 --> 01:05:15.159
and ask how good it was. I never knew, honestly,

1075
01:05:15.519 --> 01:05:18.960
I never knew that this had happened. I've heard about it,

1076
01:05:19.360 --> 01:05:21.679
I just didn't know that it was to this extent.

1077
01:05:22.920 --> 01:05:23.920
And what.

1078
01:05:25.440 --> 01:05:28.199
We did to these people, I really don't think that

1079
01:05:28.440 --> 01:05:34.840
was worth an apology of twenty thousand dollars. I honestly

1080
01:05:34.880 --> 01:05:38.480
don't think any money amount could be amount to what

1081
01:05:38.840 --> 01:05:42.320
we did to these people. I mean, we disrupted their lives.

1082
01:05:42.719 --> 01:05:47.760
We totally took away a lot of the personal property

1083
01:05:48.440 --> 01:05:51.079
except for what they could carry. And I thought it

1084
01:05:51.199 --> 01:05:55.480
was kind of funny that U my mother snuck in

1085
01:05:55.800 --> 01:05:58.440
the showing machine. I was like, it's kind of funny,

1086
01:05:58.880 --> 01:06:02.920
A super smart. Yeah, I mean I like how he

1087
01:06:03.039 --> 01:06:08.559
described because her mother wasn't from what I understand, she

1088
01:06:08.840 --> 01:06:13.880
was born in Japan and then she migrated here, so

1089
01:06:14.320 --> 01:06:17.000
she didn't really quite speak English, and so they put

1090
01:06:17.079 --> 01:06:19.719
that in in the tech form of like how she

1091
01:06:19.760 --> 01:06:22.239
would speak. I thought that would be kind of clever,

1092
01:06:22.559 --> 01:06:25.760
and how to write things out and stuff. So it's like,

1093
01:06:26.639 --> 01:06:29.760
that definitely sounds like somebody who's just learning how to

1094
01:06:29.800 --> 01:06:32.280
speak English. So I thought that was kind of cool.

1095
01:06:33.159 --> 01:06:39.480
But yeah, I liked it. I agree with a lot

1096
01:06:39.559 --> 01:06:45.320
what everybody's been saying. For one, Paul, you were talking

1097
01:06:45.360 --> 01:06:49.639
about the whole fear thing, and yeah, it is. People

1098
01:06:49.760 --> 01:06:55.320
do not like being in the unknown. Fear really dug

1099
01:06:55.480 --> 01:06:59.000
guide people's paths in real life, and it really does

1100
01:06:59.320 --> 01:07:03.559
start to shape them in what we are today. So

1101
01:07:05.079 --> 01:07:10.760
to me, fear comes from a lot of different things

1102
01:07:10.840 --> 01:07:14.920
that happened. I mean, you could have fear of dying,

1103
01:07:15.159 --> 01:07:17.559
of course, and I'm probably sure that's what they were

1104
01:07:17.639 --> 01:07:20.800
experiencing over and over and over in their heads, especially

1105
01:07:21.239 --> 01:07:25.119
the adults, because they had no idea what was going on.

1106
01:07:25.480 --> 01:07:30.320
And I'm just actually really hopeful and glad that what

1107
01:07:30.639 --> 01:07:34.719
had took place after they got released that a lot

1108
01:07:34.800 --> 01:07:37.320
of people were starting to realize what they did was

1109
01:07:37.679 --> 01:07:41.079
not something that sort of I mean, they were basically

1110
01:07:41.239 --> 01:07:44.519
the no nos. I mean, come on, what we did

1111
01:07:44.599 --> 01:07:48.280
to them is just disgusting. It's really disgusting to me.

1112
01:07:48.480 --> 01:07:51.199
So I mean, sorry to throw out some language there,

1113
01:07:51.320 --> 01:07:54.039
but I'm just saying it's, ah man, it bugs me.

1114
01:07:54.159 --> 01:07:59.000
It's the point that we turned out like this. And

1115
01:08:02.239 --> 01:08:04.880
so I know this book was supposed to be for

1116
01:08:05.320 --> 01:08:11.480
children's eyes and schench, but did he mentioned elsewhere at

1117
01:08:11.519 --> 01:08:16.920
all that had anyone died in the camps, didn't one know.

1118
01:08:18.600 --> 01:08:24.319
You mean, as the result of mistreatment. I mean, so

1119
01:08:24.560 --> 01:08:26.520
I would say that in the book he does talk

1120
01:08:26.560 --> 01:08:31.079
about how, remember when they're in the horse stalls to

1121
01:08:31.199 --> 01:08:35.800
sturt with and he talks about how his sister or sorry,

1122
01:08:35.880 --> 01:08:38.680
his brother gets sick and he gets sick, and that

1123
01:08:38.800 --> 01:08:42.399
sort of stuff. So he doesn't talk about that stuff specifically,

1124
01:08:42.560 --> 01:08:45.319
But I would bet you that when you shove a

1125
01:08:45.399 --> 01:08:50.920
bunch of people into horse stalls or on the floor

1126
01:08:51.199 --> 01:08:53.439
right and they have to live there for a couple

1127
01:08:53.520 --> 01:08:58.520
of months, I would believe I mean, people probably.

1128
01:08:59.600 --> 01:09:04.560
Either stabled. I would imagine a lot of people probably

1129
01:09:04.600 --> 01:09:05.600
did pass away from this.

1130
01:09:06.640 --> 01:09:09.399
I mean they're not they're not burning people in gas chambers,

1131
01:09:09.479 --> 01:09:12.600
but they're certainly not, as Paul said, they're treating them

1132
01:09:13.520 --> 01:09:14.079
like animals.

1133
01:09:14.880 --> 01:09:17.119
That was going to be my next topic of the

1134
01:09:17.600 --> 01:09:20.279
situation that I was going to bring out the whole

1135
01:09:20.880 --> 01:09:23.000
idea of why I agreed with Paul here when it

1136
01:09:23.039 --> 01:09:25.600
comes to fear, because this shouldn't happen just in America.

1137
01:09:26.399 --> 01:09:29.079
He's described already. This has been going on for thousands

1138
01:09:29.079 --> 01:09:31.920
of years, and the one that really stuck with me

1139
01:09:32.159 --> 01:09:36.600
was a holocaust that was really bad. And even though

1140
01:09:36.640 --> 01:09:38.479
I'm not really comparing it to I'm just saying that

1141
01:09:39.439 --> 01:09:45.760
people do things out of crazy, weird things that they

1142
01:09:45.800 --> 01:09:48.199
can think of to try and manipulate people. And I

1143
01:09:48.319 --> 01:09:54.000
believe it's true. Evil does exist, and where there's evil,

1144
01:09:54.159 --> 01:09:58.079
there's always the opposite, which is good. And to me,

1145
01:09:59.760 --> 01:10:01.560
I I think a lot of good things came out

1146
01:10:01.600 --> 01:10:05.359
of it, because if he didn't survive this, we wouldn't

1147
01:10:05.359 --> 01:10:09.880
have had Shulu, I mean, right, So just imagining the

1148
01:10:10.079 --> 01:10:11.800
fact that he had to go through what he went

1149
01:10:11.840 --> 01:10:18.600
through at the age of four completely shaped him into

1150
01:10:18.720 --> 01:10:24.079
what he is now. And he he survived, I mean

1151
01:10:25.359 --> 01:10:28.199
a lot of his friends that he had to leave

1152
01:10:28.319 --> 01:10:30.640
from the first camp, which I trying to remember what

1153
01:10:30.720 --> 01:10:34.479
it was called, like we wore something like that. And

1154
01:10:34.800 --> 01:10:37.119
so then when he left that camp, a lot of

1155
01:10:37.199 --> 01:10:39.319
his friends and stuff that he had got to know

1156
01:10:40.640 --> 01:10:44.399
for all those years just vanished. And so he probably

1157
01:10:44.479 --> 01:10:49.000
went through a lot of I can imagine hard mental

1158
01:10:49.800 --> 01:10:53.880
situations to the point where he just a lot of

1159
01:10:53.960 --> 01:10:56.600
times he just couldn't handle it at times, and especially

1160
01:10:56.680 --> 01:11:00.199
when he was talking about Tully Lake, of all the

1161
01:11:00.279 --> 01:11:03.319
fights that he had to witness and no apparently was

1162
01:11:03.479 --> 01:11:06.800
like the worst camp out in California or something like that,

1163
01:11:08.239 --> 01:11:12.920
and I'm just like, I mean, he must have been

1164
01:11:13.000 --> 01:11:15.399
like what twelve I think about that time when he

1165
01:11:15.680 --> 01:11:22.079
experienced that. But yeah, I I I cannot imagine I

1166
01:11:22.159 --> 01:11:24.680
wouldn't have survived going through this. I'm pretty sure some

1167
01:11:24.800 --> 01:11:27.640
of my trust birds here already know my situation. So

1168
01:11:28.439 --> 01:11:32.319
I'm I'm thinking, like, man, how.

1169
01:11:34.560 --> 01:11:38.279
Oh, guys, just just know you're You're totally right, David.

1170
01:11:38.359 --> 01:11:43.279
Like anybody with like, you know, immuno compromised positions, or

1171
01:11:43.439 --> 01:11:48.479
people who like aren't the absolute like dominant, you know,

1172
01:11:48.720 --> 01:11:51.840
people in the in the mix, like it would hit

1173
01:11:51.880 --> 01:11:53.319
them twice as hard, right.

1174
01:11:53.680 --> 01:11:57.239
Yeah, especially when they have to get medication, because from

1175
01:11:57.279 --> 01:11:59.880
what I remember when the book, the mother kept going

1176
01:12:00.119 --> 01:12:02.520
back and forth, like when they were in the horse dolls,

1177
01:12:02.600 --> 01:12:04.079
that she was going back and forth to get some

1178
01:12:04.119 --> 01:12:10.920
medicine for her kids, which was available, but he didn't

1179
01:12:10.920 --> 01:12:14.079
really explain, and I'm pretty sure he probably didn't know

1180
01:12:14.159 --> 01:12:17.720
at the time that it supplies for these medicine for

1181
01:12:17.960 --> 01:12:20.479
all the How many people did you say they were there?

1182
01:12:20.600 --> 01:12:22.439
Like eight thousand?

1183
01:12:22.640 --> 01:12:22.880
I think?

1184
01:12:23.199 --> 01:12:24.560
Yeah, it was like around eight thousand.

1185
01:12:24.640 --> 01:12:29.880
Yeah, and so I'm thinking back then during World War Two,

1186
01:12:31.960 --> 01:12:34.840
having to go through that situation and having to spend

1187
01:12:35.039 --> 01:12:38.520
you know, your money on wartime and trying to supply

1188
01:12:38.640 --> 01:12:42.800
to people that you just put in and pugonment. It's

1189
01:12:42.920 --> 01:12:45.880
just like I can imagine a lot of the supplies

1190
01:12:45.960 --> 01:12:49.000
there were not available for a lot of people, and

1191
01:12:49.840 --> 01:12:54.760
that situation. To me, it's like America definitely did a

1192
01:12:54.800 --> 01:13:00.319
volm here. And I agree that this situation was the worse,

1193
01:13:01.600 --> 01:13:04.840
probably now in my mind, since I just read the

1194
01:13:04.880 --> 01:13:10.520
book recently, probably in the most horrific situation that's probably

1195
01:13:10.560 --> 01:13:12.960
worse in the Holocaust. And I know that I'm comparing

1196
01:13:13.000 --> 01:13:15.600
it too now. It's like the Holocaust, I can imagine

1197
01:13:15.720 --> 01:13:19.039
was really really horrible. Millions upon millions of people died,

1198
01:13:19.079 --> 01:13:22.920
like six millions or something like that. But there are

1199
01:13:23.359 --> 01:13:27.039
some things worse than death. And to me, it's just

1200
01:13:27.680 --> 01:13:30.479
for me, Oh, this thing just makes me mad almost.

1201
01:13:31.479 --> 01:13:34.399
But I do want to say some good thing about it.

1202
01:13:34.439 --> 01:13:36.800
The book was really good. The book had some funny

1203
01:13:36.840 --> 01:13:39.039
parts in it, especially like what Eric was talking about,

1204
01:13:39.119 --> 01:13:41.239
the idea that he was going through the mind of

1205
01:13:41.239 --> 01:13:43.600
a child. You know, there were some things that made

1206
01:13:43.640 --> 01:13:47.159
me laugh and for the longest time. Okay, I know,

1207
01:13:47.199 --> 01:13:49.319
I'm just going to say it out loud, But before

1208
01:13:49.359 --> 01:13:51.439
I got to the part where the dad explain to

1209
01:13:51.520 --> 01:13:55.479
Shulu what does this mean Chicana Beach, I was like,

1210
01:13:55.760 --> 01:13:58.560
what the heck does that mean? And so I was

1211
01:13:58.640 --> 01:14:04.359
just like so to me, that part was when I

1212
01:14:04.560 --> 01:14:06.960
first read it, I was like, oh, okay, that's what

1213
01:14:07.079 --> 01:14:09.399
it meant, and so I had to have his dad

1214
01:14:09.479 --> 01:14:10.640
explained to me what it meant.

1215
01:14:11.760 --> 01:14:13.000
So I liked it.

1216
01:14:13.479 --> 01:14:16.640
I really enjoyed it. I was mad, I was sad,

1217
01:14:17.640 --> 01:14:21.039
and let's just take it from here. Evil exists. The

1218
01:14:21.159 --> 01:14:23.960
love of money is the root of all evil, and

1219
01:14:24.439 --> 01:14:27.479
what people say when they try to take advantage of

1220
01:14:27.520 --> 01:14:30.880
people to get your money or whatever. You know, when

1221
01:14:30.920 --> 01:14:33.439
you're in love with money that much, you're gonna start

1222
01:14:33.520 --> 01:14:38.439
thinking bad things. And to me, I don't know this

1223
01:14:38.600 --> 01:14:44.079
whole situation with what's going on in today's administration versus

1224
01:14:44.239 --> 01:14:46.439
last and last and last and all the previous ones.

1225
01:14:48.760 --> 01:14:51.760
I'm not really much into politicians, although I do listen

1226
01:14:51.840 --> 01:14:53.800
to the news as I can once in a while.

1227
01:14:53.960 --> 01:14:57.399
But the other side of me is also saying I

1228
01:14:57.600 --> 01:15:00.880
understand why they did what they did, but at the

1229
01:15:00.920 --> 01:15:03.119
same time, they should have done it in a totally

1230
01:15:03.159 --> 01:15:10.800
different way. During wartime, Yes, both sides, even Germany, Japanese

1231
01:15:12.479 --> 01:15:15.039
and all the other people who were involved, they had

1232
01:15:15.119 --> 01:15:18.760
to own share prisoners of people who may look similar

1233
01:15:18.880 --> 01:15:21.560
to what they say and what they look like. And

1234
01:15:21.680 --> 01:15:25.960
so to me, it's just like, it's, I mean, where

1235
01:15:26.000 --> 01:15:27.720
supposed to be America. We're supposed to be the country

1236
01:15:27.760 --> 01:15:30.600
of the free, free country, right the best country in

1237
01:15:30.640 --> 01:15:35.279
the world. And to me, it's like when you start

1238
01:15:35.319 --> 01:15:38.439
putting people into situations like this. I never even knew

1239
01:15:38.439 --> 01:15:42.000
about this until, you know, I got a whold of

1240
01:15:42.039 --> 01:15:44.439
the book and all of a sudden, I started reading

1241
01:15:44.479 --> 01:15:47.000
all this stuff, and I never thought America would ever

1242
01:15:47.039 --> 01:15:49.560
go through this. And I heard that they've been building

1243
01:15:49.600 --> 01:15:53.279
concentration camps, you know, during a couple of administrations ago.

1244
01:15:53.479 --> 01:15:56.600
So it's just I don't know, it's just it's getting

1245
01:15:56.720 --> 01:15:59.880
sick to me, getting to the point where it's just like,

1246
01:16:01.359 --> 01:16:07.359
why why do we even go through this when we

1247
01:16:07.600 --> 01:16:12.800
know that people out there have a good heart, have

1248
01:16:13.479 --> 01:16:18.319
a good intention. But at the same time, if we

1249
01:16:19.039 --> 01:16:22.840
be silent about it, evil is gonna triumph. And so

1250
01:16:23.079 --> 01:16:27.800
to me, I'm just like, it's just it's getting to

1251
01:16:27.880 --> 01:16:30.720
the point where I'm just I just kind of want

1252
01:16:30.760 --> 01:16:33.000
to just like not really do anything about it, because

1253
01:16:34.399 --> 01:16:39.920
it's it's to me it mentally, physically, and very financially

1254
01:16:40.119 --> 01:16:43.159
aboding on my part to try and do anything to help.

1255
01:16:43.199 --> 01:16:44.520
I mean, I could try and do as much as

1256
01:16:44.560 --> 01:16:47.319
I can, but I to me, I'm just getting to

1257
01:16:47.359 --> 01:16:49.920
the point where I'm just like, oh, man, from what

1258
01:16:49.960 --> 01:16:53.000
I've been here on a new whether it's propaganda or not,

1259
01:16:53.239 --> 01:16:55.399
which is another thing. I think this is one of

1260
01:16:55.479 --> 01:16:58.840
the other reasons why I believe this had been happening

1261
01:17:00.119 --> 01:17:02.840
all those centuries ago. It's just been dragged on by

1262
01:17:02.880 --> 01:17:08.239
propaganda from media sources or however you get your news.

1263
01:17:09.199 --> 01:17:12.680
So to me, it's just people start thinking one way

1264
01:17:12.760 --> 01:17:16.680
or another, and it's just like it can start causing

1265
01:17:16.760 --> 01:17:20.159
division about each other, and yeah, it gets to the

1266
01:17:20.199 --> 01:17:23.119
point where it gets really too much, and I'm just

1267
01:17:23.159 --> 01:17:26.680
gonna probably keep saying more and more. But I liked

1268
01:17:26.720 --> 01:17:30.159
his book. I like how he started talking about Star Trek.

1269
01:17:30.239 --> 01:17:32.760
I like how he started talking about his relationship with

1270
01:17:32.840 --> 01:17:37.000
his father and his mother, his siblings, even though he

1271
01:17:37.079 --> 01:17:39.399
didn't really talk too much about his sister and him

1272
01:17:39.640 --> 01:17:43.640
that much. But yeah, I don't know.

1273
01:17:44.399 --> 01:17:47.159
Well, you know, I just want to say one thing.

1274
01:17:47.199 --> 01:17:50.359
I think that you made a great point, David, because

1275
01:17:50.399 --> 01:17:53.439
it's like we're I'm sure listeners like pretty heavy guys,

1276
01:17:54.600 --> 01:17:58.039
hardcore you know, pressing blah bla blah star trek and

1277
01:17:58.600 --> 01:17:59.600
we want to escape as him.

1278
01:17:59.640 --> 01:17:59.760
Right.

1279
01:18:00.479 --> 01:18:04.880
But a really good thing to focus on here is,

1280
01:18:04.960 --> 01:18:07.279
you know, David points out right, what is he like

1281
01:18:07.399 --> 01:18:09.159
when he goes to this camp?

1282
01:18:09.239 --> 01:18:09.880
He's four?

1283
01:18:10.920 --> 01:18:14.359
Right, he's four. He's like a little boy. You remember

1284
01:18:14.439 --> 01:18:15.560
being a little boy? Right?

1285
01:18:15.720 --> 01:18:18.840
And you know we know enough now, you know healthcare,

1286
01:18:18.880 --> 01:18:23.199
I don't know. If you have like bad negative, you know,

1287
01:18:23.520 --> 01:18:27.399
experiences in childhood, it profoundly affects your health later in life. Right,

1288
01:18:27.439 --> 01:18:30.439
I mean, it really really does adverse childhood experiences. Right,

1289
01:18:30.479 --> 01:18:33.520
So he went through hell? Right, Okay, maybe he didn't

1290
01:18:33.560 --> 01:18:35.600
end up in a gas chamber, but he went through hell.

1291
01:18:35.640 --> 01:18:40.439
I mean, what a terrible experience that set. Right when

1292
01:18:40.479 --> 01:18:43.920
you look at George t K Now picture George to Ka, right,

1293
01:18:44.239 --> 01:18:47.000
and however you would right, how what's the one word

1294
01:18:47.159 --> 01:18:49.439
I think of immediately when I look at that guy's face.

1295
01:18:50.239 --> 01:18:55.319
Oh my no, no, I mean not just adjective wise.

1296
01:18:55.479 --> 01:18:59.800
He is joyful, Okay, he is a joyful Yeah, he's

1297
01:18:59.840 --> 01:19:03.079
a happy, joyful guy, and he is you know, they

1298
01:19:03.119 --> 01:19:06.880
did not destroy his spirit. He managed to h to

1299
01:19:07.000 --> 01:19:09.479
come back from that. And I think a huge lesson

1300
01:19:09.760 --> 01:19:13.720
I think is that he threw himself into his art, right.

1301
01:19:13.880 --> 01:19:17.199
He worked being a performer. He gained his confidence doing that.

1302
01:19:17.319 --> 01:19:19.239
He said, you know, acting is great, but I still

1303
01:19:19.279 --> 01:19:20.960
have more to say. I'm pretty sure I have another

1304
01:19:21.000 --> 01:19:22.399
story inside me. I'd like to try to write it.

1305
01:19:23.640 --> 01:19:26.359
And so he told his story in different methods. He

1306
01:19:26.439 --> 01:19:28.000
did it as a graphic novel, he did it as

1307
01:19:28.000 --> 01:19:31.520
a book, and then it became a you know, successful show,

1308
01:19:31.840 --> 01:19:34.640
you know, on stage. So it's just I think art

1309
01:19:34.760 --> 01:19:38.560
can save you, right, it really can. And I think

1310
01:19:38.680 --> 01:19:41.600
that it's just really see that how resilient to him

1311
01:19:41.600 --> 01:19:43.720
and being spirit could be. So I wanted all the

1312
01:19:43.800 --> 01:19:45.880
things you said, David, that just I think is really

1313
01:19:46.000 --> 01:19:47.760
I hold on to that art.

1314
01:19:48.359 --> 01:19:51.680
Something to that. Yeah, when you mentioned the book and

1315
01:19:51.720 --> 01:19:55.880
everything in the form of this, just the graphic novels,

1316
01:19:56.680 --> 01:20:01.680
people learn virtually, not virtually, usually more than they do words.

1317
01:20:02.640 --> 01:20:07.439
And to reach the children is the best way to

1318
01:20:07.800 --> 01:20:13.800
get their attension to want to read more. And I

1319
01:20:13.920 --> 01:20:18.720
can't remember who said this, but somebody from I think

1320
01:20:18.760 --> 01:20:20.239
it might have been during World War two or something,

1321
01:20:20.319 --> 01:20:25.199
but somebody mentioned that to shape a nation you have

1322
01:20:25.319 --> 01:20:30.039
to go through the kids. That's the only way you're

1323
01:20:30.119 --> 01:20:35.399
going to try to get either. It can either go

1324
01:20:35.560 --> 01:20:37.960
good or bad or evil. I guess you could say,

1325
01:20:38.039 --> 01:20:42.319
I mean, technically, I guess what Adolf Hitler did is

1326
01:20:42.560 --> 01:20:46.159
that he reached the young to get hit army to

1327
01:20:46.239 --> 01:20:49.079
get his war that he wanted. That's how he did it.

1328
01:20:50.079 --> 01:20:54.880
And when we look at books like these, this is teaching.

1329
01:20:55.800 --> 01:21:00.239
Like what Charles mentioned, this is history and we to

1330
01:21:00.239 --> 01:21:02.119
get to a young and able to get them to

1331
01:21:02.199 --> 01:21:03.920
understand what happened.

1332
01:21:05.640 --> 01:21:10.840
It was Nelson Mandela who said that education is the

1333
01:21:10.920 --> 01:21:14.880
most powerful weapon which you can use to change the world.

1334
01:21:15.760 --> 01:21:19.560
He did that during his Nobel Peace Prize acceptance. So

1335
01:21:20.159 --> 01:21:22.279
I can't agree with you more.

1336
01:21:23.680 --> 01:21:25.079
Well, and if you want to talk a little bit

1337
01:21:25.119 --> 01:21:31.119
of history, and David calls about our great country, I

1338
01:21:31.239 --> 01:21:33.800
started looking at this book and realized, well, wait a minute,

1339
01:21:34.840 --> 01:21:40.720
what were the dates of McCarthyism. And McCarthyism was just

1340
01:21:41.279 --> 01:21:45.199
starting post World War two and if you want to

1341
01:21:45.239 --> 01:21:49.119
look at the Red Scare in the forties to the

1342
01:21:49.199 --> 01:21:51.239
early fifties, this.

1343
01:21:51.359 --> 01:21:56.199
Country was going in the wrong direction then too, and.

1344
01:21:56.319 --> 01:21:59.840
We were lucky we got out of it. And that

1345
01:22:00.199 --> 01:22:02.239
so that piece of history maybe we need to look

1346
01:22:02.359 --> 01:22:07.960
at into protecting what direction our history needs to go

1347
01:22:08.079 --> 01:22:08.520
to now.

1348
01:22:11.119 --> 01:22:14.159
And I just want to say something that David mentioned,

1349
01:22:14.319 --> 01:22:19.079
and then we're going to move on a little bit here. Propaganda.

1350
01:22:20.880 --> 01:22:23.199
We need to be vigilant and we need to be careful.

1351
01:22:23.640 --> 01:22:28.399
Just because somebody says something or you read something that

1352
01:22:28.600 --> 01:22:31.640
goes against what you believe or what you think, does

1353
01:22:31.760 --> 01:22:35.880
not make it propaganda, all right, we need to be

1354
01:22:36.000 --> 01:22:39.439
careful about You know, if you think that immigrants are

1355
01:22:39.479 --> 01:22:41.359
awful and terrible and that they're the root of all

1356
01:22:41.399 --> 01:22:44.399
evil in this country, and you read an article or

1357
01:22:44.439 --> 01:22:47.279
see a new story that says the contrary, you don't

1358
01:22:47.279 --> 01:22:50.159
immediately label that as propaganda because it goes against what

1359
01:22:50.319 --> 01:22:54.520
you have been told. Okay, we all have access to

1360
01:22:54.560 --> 01:22:57.760
the internet, we all know how to google, and I

1361
01:22:58.159 --> 01:23:02.760
urge people to do their own research, yes, Leah, to

1362
01:23:03.800 --> 01:23:08.079
find out for themselves. Don't just believe what somebody told you,

1363
01:23:08.640 --> 01:23:13.800
look it up yourself. Okay, Well, find out the truth

1364
01:23:14.199 --> 01:23:19.479
for yourself, and then you'll be more educated and you'll

1365
01:23:19.520 --> 01:23:23.520
be able to make a more logical and knowledgeable assessment

1366
01:23:23.600 --> 01:23:27.520
of the situation. Don't just blindly follow what someone tells you.

1367
01:23:28.279 --> 01:23:32.960
Remember this issue right now, AI is creating a lot

1368
01:23:33.039 --> 01:23:38.159
of stories, and some people are out there creating stories.

1369
01:23:38.560 --> 01:23:42.760
They're not creating truthful stories. They're making up stuff or

1370
01:23:43.119 --> 01:23:46.399
they're coming up with stuff, which we went back to

1371
01:23:46.479 --> 01:23:50.680
the old term fake news. You've got to watch out

1372
01:23:50.680 --> 01:23:53.199
and research it because some of the stuff coming out

1373
01:23:53.920 --> 01:23:57.880
isn't truthful or it is fake or is not telling

1374
01:23:57.960 --> 01:24:02.000
the whole truth, and you need to check to next week.

1375
01:24:03.840 --> 01:24:06.119
You're getting the whole story and not just a partial

1376
01:24:06.199 --> 01:24:09.279
story that people want you to hear and not hear

1377
01:24:09.359 --> 01:24:10.239
the whole truth.

1378
01:24:11.760 --> 01:24:17.760
Exactly. Spot on. And with that, guys, it's time to

1379
01:24:17.840 --> 01:24:25.000
go into our Star Trek birthdays, which is right here.

1380
01:24:42.840 --> 01:24:44.479
That was not a Clinton song.

1381
01:24:44.920 --> 01:24:47.520
Nope, it was not warf but we like it anyways,

1382
01:24:48.039 --> 01:24:51.960
and let's follow up a pretty deep, deep and philosophical

1383
01:24:52.159 --> 01:24:55.399
discussion like that with some Star Trek birthdays and have

1384
01:24:55.479 --> 01:24:57.079
a little bit of fun. And we always start off

1385
01:24:57.079 --> 01:25:00.560
our Star Trek birthdays by sadly enough remembering those members

1386
01:25:00.560 --> 01:25:03.439
of our Star Trek family who are no longer with us,

1387
01:25:03.560 --> 01:25:05.479
and for that returned.

1388
01:25:05.119 --> 01:25:07.640
To Eric Yeah Jim. This week, we're going to remember

1389
01:25:07.800 --> 01:25:10.239
seven members of our Star Trek community who have gone

1390
01:25:10.279 --> 01:25:14.920
before us. The very first is Miguel Ferrer, who was

1391
01:25:14.960 --> 01:25:17.720
the American actor who played the executive officer of the

1392
01:25:17.840 --> 01:25:21.680
USS Excelsior in Star Trek three, The Search for Spock.

1393
01:25:22.199 --> 01:25:25.720
But he's probably best known for his role as Bob

1394
01:25:25.840 --> 01:25:32.159
Morton in the nineteen eighty seven Excuse Me, Yeah, Show

1395
01:25:32.359 --> 01:25:37.720
Sorry movie RoboCop, and also for playing FBI agent Albert

1396
01:25:37.840 --> 01:25:42.399
Rosenfield on the cult television series Twin Peaks. Two absolute

1397
01:25:42.479 --> 01:25:45.239
heavy hitters. Robo Cop and Twin Peaks I think are

1398
01:25:45.279 --> 01:25:48.079
at the top of most people's lists. And this is

1399
01:25:48.159 --> 01:25:51.039
a face, as you're seeing on the screen here, that

1400
01:25:51.119 --> 01:25:54.720
you will absolutely recognize associated with those. He later became

1401
01:25:54.840 --> 01:25:57.840
known for his role as doctor Garrett Macy on NBC's

1402
01:25:58.119 --> 01:26:02.960
drama series Crossing Jordan, and he also lent his voice

1403
01:26:03.000 --> 01:26:07.319
to several projects. He voiced the villain hun leader Shan

1404
01:26:07.520 --> 01:26:13.039
Yu in the Disney nineteen ninety eight animated film Mulan

1405
01:26:13.720 --> 01:26:16.079
so thank you very much to Miguel Fair for his

1406
01:26:16.279 --> 01:26:19.760
contributions to not only Star Trek but pop culture in general.

1407
01:26:20.119 --> 01:26:22.840
Unfortunately we lost him at a very young age sixty

1408
01:26:22.920 --> 01:26:27.239
one years old back in twenty seventeen. Happy birthday to Miguel.

1409
01:26:27.960 --> 01:26:31.760
Happy birthday as well to Michael Strong, the actor who

1410
01:26:31.800 --> 01:26:36.479
appeared as Doctor Roger Corby the original in the TOS

1411
01:26:36.600 --> 01:26:40.479
first season episode What Are Little Girls Made Of. He's

1412
01:26:40.479 --> 01:26:43.439
probably best known for his supporting role as Brigadier General

1413
01:26:43.560 --> 01:26:48.920
Hobart Carver in the Academy Award winning nineteen seventy film Platon.

1414
01:26:49.479 --> 01:26:51.960
He was also regular on the long running series The

1415
01:26:52.159 --> 01:26:55.520
Edge of Night through the mid fifties to the late fifties,

1416
01:26:55.960 --> 01:26:59.800
and guest starred on such television shows as The Untouchables, Guns,

1417
01:27:00.720 --> 01:27:06.520
Mission Impossible, many other shows along the way. He appeared

1418
01:27:06.800 --> 01:27:10.920
in the nineteen sixty six film Dead Heat on a

1419
01:27:11.000 --> 01:27:15.800
Merry Go Round as well. So Happy birthday to Michael Strong.

1420
01:27:16.760 --> 01:27:20.640
Happy birthday as well to Elizabeth Hoffman, who lived to

1421
01:27:20.720 --> 01:27:24.119
be ninety seven years old. She was the actress who

1422
01:27:24.199 --> 01:27:28.239
played the role of Biavanni in the Next Generation third

1423
01:27:28.319 --> 01:27:33.119
season episode The Price. She was actually born in Corvallis

1424
01:27:33.479 --> 01:27:36.680
or again Just a Few Miles from Here, and portrayed

1425
01:27:36.760 --> 01:27:39.600
Miss Mason in three episodes of Little House in the Prairide,

1426
01:27:39.640 --> 01:27:44.000
but I think is probably better known later on as

1427
01:27:44.800 --> 01:27:48.720
having a recurring role as Eleanor Krieger on thirty Something

1428
01:27:48.840 --> 01:27:52.239
from nineteen eighty nine to nineteen ninety one. She also

1429
01:27:52.319 --> 01:27:56.520
starred as Beatrice b Reid in one hundred and twenty

1430
01:27:56.600 --> 01:28:01.720
seven episodes of Sisters from nineteen ninety one to nineteen

1431
01:28:01.840 --> 01:28:05.199
ninety six. Last, but not least, appeared in a couple

1432
01:28:05.279 --> 01:28:08.199
episodes of Stargate SG one if you're a fan of

1433
01:28:08.319 --> 01:28:12.000
that show a little dabble into science fiction outside of

1434
01:28:12.079 --> 01:28:16.239
Star Trek. So Elizabeth Hoffman born February eighth, nineteen twenty

1435
01:28:16.319 --> 01:28:19.319
six lived to be ninety seven years a year old.

1436
01:28:19.760 --> 01:28:24.720
Happy Birthday to her Happy Birthday, as well to Gene Lyons,

1437
01:28:26.079 --> 01:28:29.760
who was the tos actor in a Taste of Armageddon,

1438
01:28:30.039 --> 01:28:34.279
who played Robert Fox. He was pretty much a professional

1439
01:28:34.399 --> 01:28:39.079
guest star throughout his entire career. He guest starred in

1440
01:28:39.279 --> 01:28:44.079
almost seventy television guest spots beginning in nineteen fifty, including

1441
01:28:44.279 --> 01:28:48.760
sixty six episodes as Commissioner Dennis Randall on the TV

1442
01:28:49.000 --> 01:28:53.640
series Ironside from nineteen sixty seven to nineteen seventy four.

1443
01:28:54.119 --> 01:28:57.680
Happy birthday to Gene Lyons, who we lost way too early,

1444
01:28:57.800 --> 01:29:00.000
way back in nineteen seventy four at the young age

1445
01:29:00.039 --> 01:29:04.119
age of fifty three years old. Happy birthday as well

1446
01:29:04.199 --> 01:29:08.760
to Paul Comy. He's the actor who played Lieutenant Styles

1447
01:29:08.960 --> 01:29:12.199
in the COS first season episode Balance of Terror.

1448
01:29:12.680 --> 01:29:13.760
You all know who he is.

1449
01:29:14.439 --> 01:29:18.840
Comy starred started acting in nineteen fifty seven and continued

1450
01:29:18.960 --> 01:29:23.640
until nineteen ninety five, making about one hundred television guest appearances,

1451
01:29:24.079 --> 01:29:28.880
about twenty movies, and a number of reoccurring television roles.

1452
01:29:29.560 --> 01:29:31.960
He appeared three times in fact on one of my

1453
01:29:32.199 --> 01:29:36.159
favorite shows, The Twilight Zone. He also appeared on The

1454
01:29:36.239 --> 01:29:40.159
Lieutenant Conquest of the Planet of the Apes, The Towering Inferno,

1455
01:29:40.800 --> 01:29:44.359
and Howard the Duck from nineteen eighty six. Happy Birthday

1456
01:29:44.399 --> 01:29:48.920
to Paul Comy. Happy birthday as well to Susan Oliver.

1457
01:29:50.319 --> 01:29:53.640
That was the stage name of the actress Charlotte Gurky,

1458
01:29:54.119 --> 01:29:57.439
a New York native who played Veena on the TOS

1459
01:29:57.680 --> 01:30:03.279
first pilot episode of the Cage, one of Pike's first loves.

1460
01:30:03.920 --> 01:30:06.880
Despite the Orion dancing we get in the episode, Oliver

1461
01:30:07.119 --> 01:30:11.479
wasn't actually a dancer before playing Viena. Therefore, she trained

1462
01:30:11.600 --> 01:30:14.920
with a choreographer every day of the week before she

1463
01:30:15.039 --> 01:30:19.800
began filming that episode. In common with major Barrett rod, Mary,

1464
01:30:19.800 --> 01:30:23.680
Oliver also worked as a test subject for the Orion makeup,

1465
01:30:24.199 --> 01:30:28.439
later recalling they tried many many things on me until

1466
01:30:28.520 --> 01:30:32.159
they finally found what they wanted, lots of green on

1467
01:30:32.319 --> 01:30:35.239
her back in the day. Years later, she wanted to

1468
01:30:35.399 --> 01:30:38.760
direct an episode of the Next Generation, but never got

1469
01:30:38.840 --> 01:30:41.760
the chance, the response being that she didn't know enough

1470
01:30:41.800 --> 01:30:46.560
about visual effects. This despite the fact that a knowledge

1471
01:30:46.560 --> 01:30:50.880
of visual effects was not a director's requirement for the series. Ugh,

1472
01:30:51.520 --> 01:30:54.439
sounds like a little bit of sexism to me. She

1473
01:30:54.680 --> 01:30:58.439
received an Emmy Award nomination for her performance in the

1474
01:30:58.720 --> 01:31:04.000
three hour nineteen seventy six NBC television movie Amelia Earhart

1475
01:31:04.119 --> 01:31:07.479
and if you haven't seen that television movie, I suggest

1476
01:31:07.560 --> 01:31:09.159
you go out and try and find it. It's pretty

1477
01:31:09.239 --> 01:31:13.520
darn good. She also did a documentary about her life

1478
01:31:13.720 --> 01:31:18.000
entitled The Green Girl, which was released in twenty fourteen.

1479
01:31:18.159 --> 01:31:23.119
Happy Birthday to Susan Oliver lost back in nineteen ninety

1480
01:31:23.279 --> 01:31:26.760
at the age of fifty eight years old. And last,

1481
01:31:26.840 --> 01:31:30.720
but not least, we'd like to pay homage to perhaps

1482
01:31:30.800 --> 01:31:34.439
one of the greatest composers of all time, Jerry Goldsmith.

1483
01:31:34.720 --> 01:31:37.279
Jerry Goldsmith lost back in two thousand and four at

1484
01:31:37.279 --> 01:31:40.319
the age of seventy five, was a film and television

1485
01:31:40.399 --> 01:31:44.399
composer and conductor who wrote the musical scores for five

1486
01:31:44.560 --> 01:31:48.399
Star Trek movies and the main title theme for two

1487
01:31:48.560 --> 01:31:53.520
Star Trek spinoff series and You Want to Talk about accolades.

1488
01:31:54.079 --> 01:31:58.840
He was nominated for eighteen Academy Awards, winning only one,

1489
01:31:59.439 --> 01:32:04.079
and also won five Emmy Awards. He was also nominated

1490
01:32:04.119 --> 01:32:07.159
for the nineteen eighty Saturn Award for Best Music for

1491
01:32:07.239 --> 01:32:08.640
Star Trek the Motion Picture.

1492
01:32:09.680 --> 01:32:11.399
Goldsmith was Ashley.

1493
01:32:11.359 --> 01:32:15.399
Star Trek creator Gene Roddenberry's original choice to compose music

1494
01:32:15.960 --> 01:32:20.079
for nineteen sixty five's The Cage, which would have included

1495
01:32:20.199 --> 01:32:24.399
the show's theme music. Goldsmith had to decline, however, as

1496
01:32:24.439 --> 01:32:27.760
he was committed to other projects, and he recommended that

1497
01:32:27.960 --> 01:32:31.920
Alexander Courage, who was mostly just an arranger at the time,

1498
01:32:32.399 --> 01:32:37.199
write the score instead. In nineteen seventy nine, Roddenberry offered

1499
01:32:37.239 --> 01:32:40.720
Goldsmith Star Trek the motion picture, and the composer leaped

1500
01:32:40.720 --> 01:32:44.479
at the opportunity. Here, Goldsmith was tasked with reinventing a

1501
01:32:44.560 --> 01:32:48.840
franchise and creating a brand new theme. He himself remarked

1502
01:32:48.920 --> 01:32:53.000
that it was the toughest music he ever wrote, and

1503
01:32:53.159 --> 01:32:59.119
it remains a remarkable achievement. In nineteen ninety eight, he scored,

1504
01:32:59.199 --> 01:33:03.159
of course, Star Trek five the Final Frontier. In nineteen

1505
01:33:03.239 --> 01:33:06.359
ninety two, he was approached by Paramount Pictures to write

1506
01:33:06.399 --> 01:33:09.800
the main title theme for Star Trek Deep Space nine.

1507
01:33:10.600 --> 01:33:13.439
He commented, yes, I was supposed to do that, and

1508
01:33:14.119 --> 01:33:16.680
I had a conflict and I couldn't. So the Deep

1509
01:33:16.720 --> 01:33:20.640
Space nine theme that we hear is actually not Jerry Goldsmith's,

1510
01:33:20.720 --> 01:33:23.520
despite the fact that I'm sure he would have completely

1511
01:33:23.640 --> 01:33:26.640
knocked it out of the park. He did, however, in

1512
01:33:26.760 --> 01:33:29.880
nineteen ninety four, write the main theme for Star Trek Voyager,

1513
01:33:30.319 --> 01:33:33.920
for which he won an Emmy Award. He later composed

1514
01:33:33.960 --> 01:33:38.359
the scores for Star Trek First Contact and Star Trek Insurrection,

1515
01:33:39.000 --> 01:33:42.439
and he finished his work with the franchise with Star

1516
01:33:42.600 --> 01:33:46.600
Trek Nemesis. It's really really hard to go through all

1517
01:33:46.680 --> 01:33:50.239
of the things that this man contributed to movies. He

1518
01:33:50.399 --> 01:33:53.840
only won one Academy Award along the way, which was

1519
01:33:53.960 --> 01:33:58.159
for scoring the nineteen seventy six horror movie The Omen.

1520
01:33:58.920 --> 01:34:03.119
But if you just look up his IMD IMDb page,

1521
01:34:03.239 --> 01:34:05.760
it is all over the place. I mean you've got

1522
01:34:07.119 --> 01:34:10.399
The Omen, of course, you've got Total Recall, the nineteen

1523
01:34:10.479 --> 01:34:15.840
sixty eight Planet of the Apes, Populon. I mean, they're

1524
01:34:16.119 --> 01:34:20.960
at least fifty plus movies to this guy's credit where

1525
01:34:21.039 --> 01:34:23.880
he just just knocked it out of the park every

1526
01:34:23.920 --> 01:34:27.159
single time he wrote a soundtrack. So I just have

1527
01:34:27.279 --> 01:34:30.600
a lot of respect for these composers that help bring

1528
01:34:30.880 --> 01:34:34.479
emotion to these movies, help bring us into the story

1529
01:34:34.760 --> 01:34:38.880
through aural means, and I think Jerry Goldsmith is one

1530
01:34:38.920 --> 01:34:43.880
of the best ever, like honestly, so I would suggest

1531
01:34:43.960 --> 01:34:50.479
that you go check out his IMDBP IMDBP page, familiarize

1532
01:34:50.520 --> 01:34:53.560
yourself with all of his movies outside of Star Trek,

1533
01:34:53.880 --> 01:34:58.359
and just grab their soundtracks from your favorite music listening

1534
01:34:58.479 --> 01:35:02.279
service because he is really, really something special. So happy

1535
01:35:02.359 --> 01:35:08.279
birthday to Jerry Goldsmith. And I'm gonna go ahead and

1536
01:35:08.359 --> 01:35:10.720
pass this on to Charles here.

1537
01:35:11.800 --> 01:35:12.119
Thank you.

1538
01:35:12.359 --> 01:35:12.560
Eric.

1539
01:35:13.760 --> 01:35:17.159
Let's tart off with a happy birthday to Rico Sisto,

1540
01:35:18.039 --> 01:35:22.359
the actor played Sanketh in the Star Trek Next Generation

1541
01:35:22.600 --> 01:35:30.279
Thursdays and episode Seric. Happy Birthday, Liam McIntyre, actress who

1542
01:35:30.439 --> 01:35:34.800
voiced doctor Harrison horse Berry in Star Trek's Lower Decks

1543
01:35:34.840 --> 01:35:42.359
fifth season episode Star Bates eighty. Happy Birthday to Philip

1544
01:35:43.119 --> 01:35:47.479
and Glem actress who played Burrell and Toast in Star

1545
01:35:47.560 --> 01:35:50.920
Trek d Space nine and the Mirror Universe of his

1546
01:35:51.039 --> 01:35:56.760
same character in the sixties an episode of Resurrection, and

1547
01:35:56.960 --> 01:36:00.800
Last Time My List. Happy Birthday to Stephen Manly, actress

1548
01:36:00.840 --> 01:36:04.800
who played Spock at seventeen in Star Trek three of

1549
01:36:04.840 --> 01:36:09.239
The Search for Spock. And now I'm going to play

1550
01:36:09.359 --> 01:36:11.159
this burning cannel over to Paul.

1551
01:36:13.520 --> 01:36:14.279
Thank you, Charles.

1552
01:36:14.600 --> 01:36:17.760
First up, let's head over to Voyager and say happy

1553
01:36:17.800 --> 01:36:21.840
birthday to the wacky Ethan Phillips actor, best known to

1554
01:36:21.960 --> 01:36:26.439
US Star Trek fans as playing the culinary and dowed

1555
01:36:26.720 --> 01:36:30.720
Neelix through all seven seasons of Star Trek Voyager. He

1556
01:36:30.840 --> 01:36:33.439
played a couple of other different Frangie characters as well,

1557
01:36:34.199 --> 01:36:36.720
once on Next Gen and another in Star Trek Enterprise,

1558
01:36:36.760 --> 01:36:40.039
and made an uncredited cameo as a holographic Major d

1559
01:36:40.399 --> 01:36:44.279
in Star Trek First Contact, So give that a eyeball

1560
01:36:44.399 --> 01:36:47.279
next time you're checking that out there. But a very

1561
01:36:47.359 --> 01:36:50.680
fun presence, to be sure. Happy birthday to Marianna Hill,

1562
01:36:50.920 --> 01:36:54.520
actress who played Helen Noel in the Star Trek original

1563
01:36:54.600 --> 01:36:59.560
series first season episode Dagger of the Mind. Really interesting character, really,

1564
01:37:00.199 --> 01:37:01.800
you know, you see a lot of these hookups for

1565
01:37:02.640 --> 01:37:06.600
Captain Kirk right during the course of his you know, career.

1566
01:37:06.720 --> 01:37:09.079
But that was a really good initial one because it

1567
01:37:09.199 --> 01:37:11.560
was very realistic the who way their whole relationship was,

1568
01:37:11.640 --> 01:37:15.079
and the fact that they're having to have a little

1569
01:37:15.119 --> 01:37:17.000
bit of a shared past, but then they're really stuck

1570
01:37:17.039 --> 01:37:19.000
in like kind of the you know, life or death

1571
01:37:19.039 --> 01:37:20.760
situation in.

1572
01:37:20.800 --> 01:37:21.680
This penal colony.

1573
01:37:21.840 --> 01:37:24.640
And she did a great job, really good performer, So

1574
01:37:24.800 --> 01:37:27.640
a very memorable character, to be sure, and Dagger of

1575
01:37:27.720 --> 01:37:31.319
the Mind to top notch. Happy birthday to Julie Warner,

1576
01:37:31.760 --> 01:37:34.439
actress who played Christy Henshaw in the Next Generation third

1577
01:37:34.479 --> 01:37:40.600
season episodes Booby Tramp and Transfigurations. And we were talking

1578
01:37:40.640 --> 01:37:43.199
a lot about First Contact earlier, so let's say happy

1579
01:37:43.239 --> 01:37:49.920
birthday today to the always awesome Neil McDonough actor played

1580
01:37:49.960 --> 01:37:52.560
Lieutenant Hawk in First Contact. I think we all thought

1581
01:37:52.600 --> 01:37:55.399
Lieutenant Hawk was going to like turn into some big character,

1582
01:37:55.479 --> 01:37:56.760
right because he showed up in a lot of the

1583
01:37:56.800 --> 01:37:59.520
publicity photos and he's kind of not an unknown right

1584
01:37:59.680 --> 01:38:02.159
or like always, he's going to be a new recurring character.

1585
01:38:02.199 --> 01:38:03.520
I think there's a lot of us with his son,

1586
01:38:03.640 --> 01:38:06.399
but not so much because he was dispatched pretty quickly.

1587
01:38:07.239 --> 01:38:09.720
But he works a lot. He's worked for Steven Spielberg

1588
01:38:09.760 --> 01:38:12.960
in Minority Report. He was in the very first Captain

1589
01:38:13.000 --> 01:38:18.319
America movie. Really really good job there. I think he

1590
01:38:18.520 --> 01:38:21.720
was on Justified for at least one season that I recall,

1591
01:38:22.840 --> 01:38:27.760
but very engaging, charismatic cat. So happy birthday to you,

1592
01:38:29.000 --> 01:38:31.880
Neil McDonald, and I think that's all I got, So

1593
01:38:32.000 --> 01:38:33.439
it's back over to Uncle Jim.

1594
01:38:33.960 --> 01:38:36.600
Why thank you so much, Paul. I only have three

1595
01:38:37.239 --> 01:38:43.039
no Klingons this week, unfortunately, but I do have a Gorn. Well,

1596
01:38:43.119 --> 01:38:46.760
let's say Happy birthday to Stephen Gregory. He's the actor

1597
01:38:46.800 --> 01:38:49.199
who played Jake Curlin in The Star Trek the Next

1598
01:38:49.279 --> 01:38:50.960
Generation episode.

1599
01:38:51.000 --> 01:38:52.279
Coming of Age.

1600
01:38:52.960 --> 01:38:55.880
He's the dude that steals the Space Shuttle and Captain

1601
01:38:55.920 --> 01:38:59.239
mc cart has to save him. So happy birthday, Happy

1602
01:38:59.279 --> 01:39:02.359
birthday to stef and greg Gray. This next one here

1603
01:39:02.720 --> 01:39:04.720
is an interesting one. We want to say happy birthday

1604
01:39:04.960 --> 01:39:10.560
to Leslie Bets. She's the actress who played Ronoge in

1605
01:39:10.640 --> 01:39:13.399
Star Trek Deep Space nine third and fourth season episodes

1606
01:39:13.439 --> 01:39:16.880
The Homecoming and the Abandoned and Broken Link. But I

1607
01:39:17.119 --> 01:39:19.880
think most of us are going to know her from

1608
01:39:20.079 --> 01:39:23.920
space Balls. And there she is on the screen. Commander

1609
01:39:25.199 --> 01:39:27.920
Jurgen Paul Is that her name?

1610
01:39:29.960 --> 01:39:30.399
I think?

1611
01:39:31.439 --> 01:39:33.520
But anyways, I'm not as big of a space Ball's

1612
01:39:33.520 --> 01:39:35.000
a visionado as you, Uncle Jim.

1613
01:39:35.520 --> 01:39:39.279
Okay, that's fair enough. That's fair enough. And a last

1614
01:39:39.520 --> 01:39:41.520
on my list, we want to say happy birthday to

1615
01:39:41.680 --> 01:39:45.680
Bobby Clark. He's the dude that played the Gorn captain

1616
01:39:46.119 --> 01:39:50.319
in the TOS episode Arena. He also appeared as an

1617
01:39:50.359 --> 01:39:53.640
actor and at least three other Star Trek episodes, And

1618
01:39:53.680 --> 01:39:56.960
there he is on the screen as the Gorn. Happy

1619
01:39:57.359 --> 01:40:02.319
birthday to Bobby Clark. And that, my friends, wraps up

1620
01:40:02.359 --> 01:40:05.600
our Star Trek birthdays. And now is time for some

1621
01:40:06.039 --> 01:40:11.039
Star Trek news. Priority one message from Starfleet coming in

1622
01:40:11.239 --> 01:40:18.800
on Secure channel incoming transmission enter authorization code command codes verified.

1623
01:40:19.800 --> 01:40:25.920
Define parameters of program level nine authorization require specifying parameters.

1624
01:40:27.319 --> 01:40:32.479
Transfer updata is complete A blank alert, A blank alert.

1625
01:40:33.760 --> 01:40:37.079
All right, guys, So Eric, you want to get us

1626
01:40:37.119 --> 01:40:38.560
started with our Star Trek.

1627
01:40:38.479 --> 01:40:41.159
News for this week, of course I do, Jim, this

1628
01:40:41.319 --> 01:40:44.600
is my favorite segment, referred to as Stner says, what

1629
01:40:45.960 --> 01:40:48.399
that's right, Limb. Schtner's back at it again and he

1630
01:40:48.560 --> 01:40:52.960
describes the new versions of Star Trek as drum.

1631
01:40:52.840 --> 01:40:58.319
Roll please, phenomenal. Not what I was expecting either.

1632
01:40:59.079 --> 01:41:01.119
The moment you say Star Trek, the character that comes

1633
01:41:01.159 --> 01:41:04.800
to mind is Captain James T. Kirk, And the moment

1634
01:41:04.880 --> 01:41:07.720
you say Captain James T. Kirk, the actor who comes

1635
01:41:07.760 --> 01:41:11.800
to mind is veteran star William Shatner. Thus his take

1636
01:41:11.880 --> 01:41:14.920
on every development and new chapter of Star Trek piques

1637
01:41:15.000 --> 01:41:19.000
the interest of the fans. However, once when Shatner had

1638
01:41:19.079 --> 01:41:21.560
said Gene Rodberry, the creator of Star Trek, would be

1639
01:41:22.000 --> 01:41:25.560
turning in his grave because of new track, which by

1640
01:41:25.600 --> 01:41:27.880
the way, is a term that I absolutely hate, it

1641
01:41:27.960 --> 01:41:31.520
didn't settle down well with the admirers of the franchise.

1642
01:41:32.079 --> 01:41:34.840
Shatner wanted to set the record straight, and thus he

1643
01:41:35.000 --> 01:41:38.359
explained that he wasn't criticizing the whole franchise or its

1644
01:41:38.439 --> 01:41:42.479
new directions. Of course, not. Instead, he was pointing out

1645
01:41:42.560 --> 01:41:45.680
that the newer Star Trek series do not follow the

1646
01:41:45.840 --> 01:41:48.399
strict guidelines set by Roddenberry.

1647
01:41:48.600 --> 01:41:48.880
Quote.

1648
01:41:49.640 --> 01:41:52.119
I wonder why some feathers would be ruffled by my

1649
01:41:52.319 --> 01:41:55.960
saying the guy, the gentleman. I knew Eugene Roddenberry was

1650
01:41:56.119 --> 01:42:01.239
very strict about military protocol. So having an intimate relationship

1651
01:42:01.279 --> 01:42:05.359
with somebody you're working next to is verboten. You don't

1652
01:42:05.399 --> 01:42:10.319
do that on the military thing. And they modern Star

1653
01:42:10.439 --> 01:42:13.279
Trek shows, you know. I don't know about the last things.

1654
01:42:13.359 --> 01:42:14.239
But the couple of.

1655
01:42:14.319 --> 01:42:19.000
Things I've noted is that there are relationships, sexual relations

1656
01:42:19.199 --> 01:42:22.479
relationships going on between the people that would make Jean

1657
01:42:22.600 --> 01:42:27.159
ron Berry turn in his grave. He explained this he

1658
01:42:27.279 --> 01:42:31.840
called the last iterations of Star Trek however, phenomenal. It's

1659
01:42:32.000 --> 01:42:35.840
like a good seed being planted all over. It'll be really,

1660
01:42:36.159 --> 01:42:40.960
it'll be really in our lifetime, impossible to repeat, because

1661
01:42:41.439 --> 01:42:44.319
it would take some entertainment to exist for sixty years

1662
01:42:44.359 --> 01:42:47.399
from now to equal what Star Trek has done. We

1663
01:42:47.520 --> 01:42:51.439
won't be alive. Then he added the statement echoed the

1664
01:42:51.520 --> 01:42:55.000
sentiments of the fans who swear that Star Trek is

1665
01:42:55.079 --> 01:42:57.800
one of the rarest franchises that stood the test of

1666
01:42:57.960 --> 01:43:01.680
time with such great and I feel.

1667
01:43:01.479 --> 01:43:06.000
It maybe a little revisionist history from somebody who sounds

1668
01:43:06.039 --> 01:43:07.119
like he's trying to get a job.

1669
01:43:08.000 --> 01:43:11.359
Well, I do think that maybe he has seen the light.

1670
01:43:11.479 --> 01:43:14.439
I don't know if he's revising history or he's just

1671
01:43:14.520 --> 01:43:18.079
sort of come around. I will say that I believe

1672
01:43:18.199 --> 01:43:21.079
that we are one of the podcasts out there who

1673
01:43:21.439 --> 01:43:24.640
the minute Discovery came out, we're very excited about it.

1674
01:43:25.079 --> 01:43:27.399
We're very excited about the new direction that Star Trek

1675
01:43:27.560 --> 01:43:31.479
was taking. Did Discovery nail every single episode? No, but

1676
01:43:31.680 --> 01:43:35.199
does any Star Trek actually nail every single episode? But

1677
01:43:35.319 --> 01:43:37.760
what it did do was it brought Star Trek into

1678
01:43:37.800 --> 01:43:39.600
the twenty first century in a way that even Star

1679
01:43:39.720 --> 01:43:43.359
Trek two thousand and nine couldn't do. So I kind

1680
01:43:43.359 --> 01:43:45.880
of like to see mister Shattner sort of coming around

1681
01:43:46.000 --> 01:43:48.399
to the ways that some of us are thinking.

1682
01:43:48.600 --> 01:43:52.920
And and you know, maybe Paul, maybe he's.

1683
01:43:52.800 --> 01:43:58.039
Looking like everything that goes into production you always here

1684
01:43:58.119 --> 01:44:00.399
said well, I would offer to do a new version

1685
01:44:00.520 --> 01:44:05.039
of Captain Kirk Sow with like the aging type of thing,

1686
01:44:05.199 --> 01:44:06.399
and maybe we could do this.

1687
01:44:06.560 --> 01:44:08.840
And I'm chatting with these folks to see if I

1688
01:44:08.920 --> 01:44:11.119
can work on them. He's he's like his own agents

1689
01:44:11.239 --> 01:44:13.600
or something. I mean, he's always, you know, looking for

1690
01:44:14.039 --> 01:44:14.960
He's definitely.

1691
01:44:14.760 --> 01:44:18.199
He's definitely looking for a way to keep this character roling, because,

1692
01:44:18.319 --> 01:44:20.680
as Jim said, you know, this man gets one hundred

1693
01:44:20.680 --> 01:44:23.279
thousand dollars every time he shows up at a convention.

1694
01:44:23.520 --> 01:44:26.439
So I think he's just trying to maintain his relevancy

1695
01:44:27.039 --> 01:44:30.199
as time goes by. But but that's beside the point.

1696
01:44:30.640 --> 01:44:34.399
He has acknowledged quote New Trek, which I'm not even

1697
01:44:34.439 --> 01:44:36.600
sure exactly what that means. It used to mean Star

1698
01:44:36.680 --> 01:44:39.159
Trek two thousand and nine Kelvin timeline stuff. I think

1699
01:44:39.279 --> 01:44:43.079
people are referring to, you know, strange New Worlds and

1700
01:44:43.399 --> 01:44:45.600
Discovery as New Trek these days.

1701
01:44:45.720 --> 01:44:49.479
But but he, you know, he's not wrong.

1702
01:44:49.560 --> 01:44:52.159
I mean, Gene Ronberry had a pretty narrow view of

1703
01:44:52.279 --> 01:44:54.960
what life was like on an aircraft carrier, and that

1704
01:44:55.399 --> 01:44:56.479
that's what Star Trek was.

1705
01:44:56.439 --> 01:44:57.000
Going to be about.

1706
01:44:57.000 --> 01:44:59.319
And I think we've just broadened our horizons a little

1707
01:44:59.319 --> 01:45:02.479
bit more in realize that the human experience is not

1708
01:45:03.000 --> 01:45:04.960
just military protocol.

1709
01:45:06.640 --> 01:45:09.560
Well, I find it funny coming from the guy that

1710
01:45:09.920 --> 01:45:16.479
scored with everything that moved talking about you know, you

1711
01:45:16.560 --> 01:45:19.359
know what I'm saying. It's kind of a pot calling

1712
01:45:19.439 --> 01:45:24.560
the kettle black, So I want to throw that out there. Anyways,

1713
01:45:24.640 --> 01:45:29.279
But we love the shat He's the man at any rate. Oh,

1714
01:45:29.359 --> 01:45:33.840
the fifty second. The fifty second Saturn Awards celebrate sci fi,

1715
01:45:34.000 --> 01:45:38.000
fantasy and horror. And here is their winner's list, which

1716
01:45:38.119 --> 01:45:42.119
was last week. By the way, the fifty Saturn Awards

1717
01:45:42.159 --> 01:45:46.520
ceremony honored exceptional talent and these often overlooked genres. Held

1718
01:45:46.520 --> 01:45:51.079
at the Hilton Universal City Hotel. Beyond celebrating achievements and entertainment,

1719
01:45:51.399 --> 01:45:54.159
the Academy used this year's platform to raise awareness and

1720
01:45:54.199 --> 01:45:58.399
support for those affected by the devastating wildfires in Los Angeles,

1721
01:45:58.800 --> 01:46:05.640
incurring curing donations to aid rebuilding efforts. William Shatner received

1722
01:46:05.680 --> 01:46:09.840
the Lifetime Achievement Award from his son in law, Joel Gretschik,

1723
01:46:10.279 --> 01:46:15.079
while Laurence Fishburne was honored with the Lance Reddick Legacy Award,

1724
01:46:15.359 --> 01:46:19.439
presented by LeVar Burton, and Hikaru Sondra was given the

1725
01:46:19.560 --> 01:46:23.760
Robert Foster Artist Award by Jonathan Nolan. Additionally, the fortieth

1726
01:46:23.800 --> 01:46:27.720
anniversary of Back to the Future was commemorated with Christopher Lloyd,

1727
01:46:27.800 --> 01:46:32.439
Leah Thompson, and Bob Gail receiving the George Pale Memorial Award.

1728
01:46:33.000 --> 01:46:35.560
The Academy of Science Fiction, Fantasy and Horror is a

1729
01:46:35.640 --> 01:46:40.399
nonprofit organization founded in nineteen seventy two by film historian

1730
01:46:40.920 --> 01:46:44.560
doctor Donald A. Reid, and is supported by several hundred

1731
01:46:44.720 --> 01:46:50.560
genre enthusiasts and professionals such as J. J. Abrams, Deane Devlin,

1732
01:46:50.840 --> 01:46:56.119
Gail Annherd, Dielmo De Toro, Greg Beltani, and Kevin Feige,

1733
01:46:56.720 --> 01:46:59.600
who have participated in the ongoing efforts of the Academy

1734
01:46:59.640 --> 01:47:04.479
to promote genre film production and television programming since nineteen

1735
01:47:04.960 --> 01:47:09.439
seventy two, and here are the winners for film. Best

1736
01:47:09.520 --> 01:47:15.399
science Fiction Film Dune Part Two, Best Fantasy Film, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice,

1737
01:47:15.840 --> 01:47:21.439
Best Horror Film, Alien Romulus, Best Action Adventure Film Deadpool

1738
01:47:21.640 --> 01:47:27.439
and Wolverine, Best Thriller Film, Strange Darlings, Best International Film

1739
01:47:27.880 --> 01:47:33.600
Godzilla Minus one, Best Animated Film, The Wild Robot, Best

1740
01:47:33.720 --> 01:47:37.600
Independent Film, Late Night with the Devil. Best Actor in

1741
01:47:37.680 --> 01:47:42.560
a Film, Nicholas Cage, Dream Scenario, Best Actress in a Film,

1742
01:47:42.920 --> 01:47:46.560
Debbie Moore, The Substance. Best Supporting Actor in a Film,

1743
01:47:46.880 --> 01:47:51.000
You Jackman, Deadpool and Wolverine. Best Supporting Actress in the

1744
01:47:51.079 --> 01:47:55.640
Film Rebecca Ferguson for Dune Part two. Best Younger Performer

1745
01:47:55.720 --> 01:48:01.640
in a Film Jenna Ortega and Beetlejuice Beetlejuice. Best Film

1746
01:48:01.720 --> 01:48:06.520
Director Dennis vell Velluno. How is that helped me? Out?

1747
01:48:06.560 --> 01:48:06.680
There?

1748
01:48:06.720 --> 01:48:15.880
Paul Dennis Danny There We Go for Dune. Best Film

1749
01:48:15.920 --> 01:48:19.880
Writing for Screenplay Osgod Perkins for Long Legs. Best Film

1750
01:48:20.000 --> 01:48:24.119
Music Composer Danny Elfman for Beetlejuice Beetle Juice. Best Film

1751
01:48:24.319 --> 01:48:27.640
Editing Dean Zimmerman and Shane Reed for Deadpool and Wolverine.

1752
01:48:28.239 --> 01:48:33.199
Best Film Production Design Petrees Vermoot from Deadpool and You

1753
01:48:33.319 --> 01:48:36.880
Stay Right Where You Are Deadpool and Wolverine. Best Film

1754
01:48:36.960 --> 01:48:43.520
Makeup The Substance Pierre Oliver Persian, Best Film Costume, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice,

1755
01:48:43.840 --> 01:48:48.600
The Colleen Attwood. Best Film Visual Special Effects Dune Part

1756
01:48:48.760 --> 01:48:54.560
two Paul Lambert, Stephen James Ray Selcombe and Garrett nerfez And.

1757
01:48:54.720 --> 01:48:59.880
For Television, Best Television Series was Fallout Fantasy Television, How

1758
01:49:00.319 --> 01:49:07.439
of the Dragon horror series from Best Superhero Series, Agatha

1759
01:49:07.520 --> 01:49:13.520
All Along, Best Action Thriller Series, Cobra Kai, Best Adventure Series, Monarch,

1760
01:49:13.760 --> 01:49:18.359
Legacy of the Monsters, Best Animated Series, Star Wars, The

1761
01:49:18.600 --> 01:49:23.960
bad Batch, Best Television Presentation The Walking Dead, The Ones

1762
01:49:24.000 --> 01:49:27.479
Who Live. Best Actor in a Television Series Colin Ferrell

1763
01:49:27.560 --> 01:49:31.560
and The Penguin. Best Actress in a Television Series Razario

1764
01:49:31.720 --> 01:49:36.000
Dawson Star Wars, Ahsoka, Best Supporting Actor in a television

1765
01:49:36.279 --> 01:49:39.920
Anthony Starr for The Boys, Best Supporting Actress in a

1766
01:49:39.960 --> 01:49:45.359
Television Series, Kristin Milati for The Penguin, Best Younger Performer

1767
01:49:45.359 --> 01:49:51.880
in a Television Series, Zolo Mondruno Mondree for Cobra Kai,

1768
01:49:53.159 --> 01:49:56.880
and Best Starring a Television Series Mark Hamill The Fall

1769
01:49:57.039 --> 01:50:01.520
of the House of Ussher but not least. For Home Entertainment,

1770
01:50:01.600 --> 01:50:05.920
Best Classic Home Media Release, Invasion of the Body Snatchers,

1771
01:50:05.960 --> 01:50:10.079
My God, I love that movie. Best Television Movie Media Release,

1772
01:50:10.159 --> 01:50:13.920
Star Wars and Or The Complete First Season, Best Horror

1773
01:50:14.000 --> 01:50:19.880
Film Media Collection Batman's eighty fifth Anniversary Collection, and Best

1774
01:50:19.920 --> 01:50:25.520
four K Home Media Release SAW ten. And that wraps

1775
01:50:25.720 --> 01:50:29.119
everything up for the seven Awards, And paul I stuck

1776
01:50:29.199 --> 01:50:33.039
this one in here just for you, buddy. Take it away.

1777
01:50:33.439 --> 01:50:35.600
Thanks buddy, I appreciate that. You know, that was quite

1778
01:50:35.640 --> 01:50:37.880
a long list there, Jim. If this is the Oscars,

1779
01:50:37.880 --> 01:50:38.760
they would have played you off.

1780
01:50:38.960 --> 01:50:39.880
I mean that was you know.

1781
01:50:40.720 --> 01:50:43.960
And how in the hell is Saw ten best four

1782
01:50:44.079 --> 01:50:46.800
K home media release of all the four K that

1783
01:50:46.920 --> 01:50:49.079
has anything to do with genre in any way, shape

1784
01:50:49.159 --> 01:50:49.399
or form.

1785
01:50:49.479 --> 01:50:53.000
That like wasn't didn't Star Trek the motion picture come

1786
01:50:53.039 --> 01:50:54.079
out in four K this year?

1787
01:50:54.279 --> 01:50:54.920
Well, I don't know.

1788
01:50:55.520 --> 01:50:58.479
June two, I mean maybe that might be, you know,

1789
01:50:58.640 --> 01:51:00.720
I mean I watch a lot of and there's no

1790
01:51:00.840 --> 01:51:04.119
way Saw ten is even worth mentioning. I mean, please,

1791
01:51:04.800 --> 01:51:07.079
all right, but thank you, uncle Jim, because this is new,

1792
01:51:07.359 --> 01:51:09.560
really exciting new news for those of us who have

1793
01:51:10.279 --> 01:51:14.920
a bit of a collecting bent. Because Master Replicas, which

1794
01:51:15.279 --> 01:51:19.119
is actually a pretty decent shop, I gotta say, Master

1795
01:51:19.199 --> 01:51:22.239
Replicas announces a new line of Star Trek toys with

1796
01:51:22.359 --> 01:51:26.600
Hirst figures available for pre order. No which is exciting

1797
01:51:27.039 --> 01:51:29.279
because it could be playtime again for Star Trek with

1798
01:51:29.359 --> 01:51:31.479
a new line of toys coming from Master Replicas, with

1799
01:51:31.640 --> 01:51:35.279
the two action figures already available for pre order right now.

1800
01:51:36.079 --> 01:51:38.239
He's Side Trading announced that they have signed a wide

1801
01:51:38.359 --> 01:51:41.920
ranging deal with paramount consumer products, is that anything like

1802
01:51:42.000 --> 01:51:46.159
omni consumer products to produce Star Trek toys and collectibles,

1803
01:51:46.239 --> 01:51:50.079
including action figures and playsets, Replica phasers, communicators and trick orders,

1804
01:51:50.119 --> 01:51:52.680
and other collectibles inspired by the franchise, all of which

1805
01:51:52.680 --> 01:51:57.720
will be released with its Master Replica's brand. They will

1806
01:51:57.720 --> 01:52:00.600
be releasing products tied to the new start Tark shows

1807
01:52:00.840 --> 01:52:03.640
that's n ew was opposed to NU just you know,

1808
01:52:03.760 --> 01:52:09.000
clearing that up, including Discovery Strange, New Worlds, Prodigy, Lower Decks,

1809
01:52:09.079 --> 01:52:12.800
Picard Season Section thirty one, Section thirty one, and the

1810
01:52:12.880 --> 01:52:17.680
forthcoming Star Trek Starfleet Academy. According to Master Replica's creative

1811
01:52:17.720 --> 01:52:21.279
director Ben Robinson, a new range of four point five

1812
01:52:21.439 --> 01:52:24.560
inch action figures will be at the center of their offering.

1813
01:52:25.199 --> 01:52:27.239
Our mission is to bring the fans what they've never

1814
01:52:27.319 --> 01:52:30.199
had before. I'm delighted to say that we're also going

1815
01:52:30.239 --> 01:52:33.359
to be bringing fans the first ever four point five

1816
01:52:33.479 --> 01:52:36.439
inch Star Trek Lower Decks action figures and the cast

1817
01:52:36.880 --> 01:52:40.800
of Star Trek Prodigy starting with Rocktalk. The figures will

1818
01:52:40.800 --> 01:52:44.560
be sold exclusively through masterreplicas dot Com starting with Spock

1819
01:52:44.600 --> 01:52:47.079
and Animal Picard, which are now available for pre order

1820
01:52:47.199 --> 01:52:50.399
priced at twenty six bucks each, and new figures will

1821
01:52:50.399 --> 01:52:53.439
be released every month. Ooh, every month. It's pretty good, fellas.

1822
01:52:54.359 --> 01:52:56.319
The first figures are expected to be delivered in the

1823
01:52:56.359 --> 01:52:59.479
third quarter of twenty twenty five. According to Robinson, by

1824
01:52:59.520 --> 01:53:02.079
constants on direct the consumer sales, we can provide the

1825
01:53:02.159 --> 01:53:05.560
fans with the kind of deep dive figures and collectibles

1826
01:53:05.720 --> 01:53:11.000
that would be challenging for a traditional business. As fans ourselves,

1827
01:53:11.199 --> 01:53:14.479
attention to detail is incredibly important to us, and we've

1828
01:53:14.520 --> 01:53:16.960
been pouring over the reference materials to make some of

1829
01:53:17.039 --> 01:53:20.560
these the best figures anyone's ever seen. Every figure will

1830
01:53:20.600 --> 01:53:22.960
come with the accessor reason. We're even planning some exclusive

1831
01:53:23.000 --> 01:53:25.960
online variants that come with the original fabric spotches from

1832
01:53:26.000 --> 01:53:29.199
the Star Trek costume department. Let's not get carried away, Ben,

1833
01:53:29.359 --> 01:53:33.359
Nobody is looking to buy that, but I would say

1834
01:53:33.399 --> 01:53:35.399
this is good news, right. I mean, there's a lot

1835
01:53:35.439 --> 01:53:38.239
of news folks trying to get into the Star Trek game.

1836
01:53:40.560 --> 01:53:42.520
Excuse me in the cell that we're still trying to

1837
01:53:42.520 --> 01:53:46.920
get on. The show is definitely one I would love

1838
01:53:46.960 --> 01:53:49.279
to get Ben Robinson on here, but Ben's in the UK,

1839
01:53:49.479 --> 01:53:51.079
so I don't know if time zone wise, if we

1840
01:53:51.119 --> 01:53:54.199
could work that out because right now in the UK

1841
01:53:54.840 --> 01:53:59.439
it is it's two thirty in the morning. So yeah,

1842
01:53:59.479 --> 01:54:01.399
I don't know if Ben, we'd have to like figure

1843
01:54:01.399 --> 01:54:03.319
out some way around that for him, But he's a

1844
01:54:03.359 --> 01:54:07.000
great cat. I follow him online. And the thing is,

1845
01:54:07.039 --> 01:54:09.600
I got to say from personal experience, Master Replicas is

1846
01:54:09.680 --> 01:54:13.000
great because there used to be this company called Eagle Moss, right,

1847
01:54:13.479 --> 01:54:15.920
and Eagle Moss kind of went belly up and a

1848
01:54:16.000 --> 01:54:17.399
lot of the stuff that they were playing. You know,

1849
01:54:17.479 --> 01:54:19.560
everybody I think started fans should know Ego Mass right,

1850
01:54:19.600 --> 01:54:21.439
they did all the replica ships and stuff like that,

1851
01:54:22.159 --> 01:54:23.840
but they kind of went belly up right around the

1852
01:54:23.880 --> 01:54:27.600
time they were doing ships from the Expanse and Stargate.

1853
01:54:28.079 --> 01:54:30.680
Master Replicas stepped in with a whole lot of money

1854
01:54:30.880 --> 01:54:33.119
and they saved it and they were able to actually

1855
01:54:33.199 --> 01:54:35.239
be true to their word and produce the figures they

1856
01:54:35.319 --> 01:54:37.720
said they were going to because a lot of fans

1857
01:54:37.880 --> 01:54:39.319
gave up and said, we're never going to see this

1858
01:54:39.359 --> 01:54:43.399
stuff now because Eagle Moss went, you know up, But no,

1859
01:54:43.680 --> 01:54:45.880
I have. Master Replicas has done a really good job.

1860
01:54:46.159 --> 01:54:52.199
They've done some figures for other UK properties like Thunderbirds

1861
01:54:52.239 --> 01:54:54.439
and Space nineteen ninety nine that folks thought, oh, there's

1862
01:54:54.439 --> 01:54:56.439
no way this will happen, but they delivered them on

1863
01:54:56.640 --> 01:54:59.079
time when they said they would, and they were pretty decent.

1864
01:54:59.439 --> 01:55:01.279
So based on what I've seen from these pictures here

1865
01:55:01.359 --> 01:55:04.600
so far, I am liking what I'm seeing. Yeah, I know,

1866
01:55:04.920 --> 01:55:07.359
I know, twenty six plucks for a figure is a

1867
01:55:07.439 --> 01:55:10.319
little steep, it is, But if the quality is as

1868
01:55:10.359 --> 01:55:12.960
good as these prototypes are, I think I'm down. I

1869
01:55:13.039 --> 01:55:16.840
think I'm down because I'm a very enthusiastic collector of

1870
01:55:16.920 --> 01:55:20.479
the Playmates line right that five inch scale that this is,

1871
01:55:21.199 --> 01:55:23.119
and I always hated when all of a sudden you're

1872
01:55:23.119 --> 01:55:25.920
getting all these six inch figures in different variant scales

1873
01:55:26.079 --> 01:55:29.079
and it's just it's just no good. Plus, this fills

1874
01:55:29.079 --> 01:55:34.640
the missing rock Talk thing that happened when Playmates tried

1875
01:55:34.800 --> 01:55:38.720
to do Prodigy figures and then they stopped midway and

1876
01:55:38.800 --> 01:55:42.119
they did bungle their license, like I couldn't even believe.

1877
01:55:42.479 --> 01:55:44.239
So we're gonna get a rock Talk, even if it's

1878
01:55:44.279 --> 01:55:45.680
maybe not exactly the same scales.

1879
01:55:45.760 --> 01:55:47.279
Yeah, this, but I call that good news.

1880
01:55:48.079 --> 01:55:50.359
Direct to consumer is definitely the way to go and

1881
01:55:50.479 --> 01:55:52.680
not depend on retailers and stuff like that, so I

1882
01:55:52.760 --> 01:55:55.800
think that's pretty sweet there. So I don't see a

1883
01:55:55.880 --> 01:55:58.279
negative here, friends, I think this is all real, especially

1884
01:55:58.279 --> 01:55:59.960
if they're offering new figures every month.

1885
01:56:00.880 --> 01:56:01.399
That's great.

1886
01:56:01.520 --> 01:56:03.840
I mean, that's that's pretty sweet, So I don't see

1887
01:56:03.880 --> 01:56:08.000
it downside here. I will be pre ordering and look

1888
01:56:08.039 --> 01:56:09.840
forward to reviewing them on the show. And by the way,

1889
01:56:11.119 --> 01:56:14.760
those lower decks figures look fantastic. I have seen nobody

1890
01:56:15.279 --> 01:56:17.720
handling that arm of the franchise yet and those look

1891
01:56:17.920 --> 01:56:20.960
really good. I mean, look at those. Those look fantastic.

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So I think we got a winner here. And Master

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replicas you can definitely they when you you know they

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my experiences, they deliver, they don't lay you down. So

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I'm kind of excited. Look, Uncle Jim, you're not going

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to get that Wharf. The headings are on Wednesdays. You're

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gonna get the bettings. It's on Wednesdays edition of Wharf.

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I know you are. I will pound you until you do.

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That is that's something you need to have. So this

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is all good news.

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And I think I'm out of time because it's six

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thirty one, so we're not a little excited.

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That's that's why I gave you that story. Thank you guys.

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So that wraps up our show. I can't believe how

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fast time flies when you have fun, and boy does

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it fly. I want to remind you guys, next week

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we're gonna be talking to John Simpson, who played Young

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Sarah and starts with five the Final Frontier. Head over

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to Trek Talking dot Com, record your questions, comments, whatever,

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and then tune into the show on Thursday to hear

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them played back right here live on the air. I

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want to say thank you to Charles for hanging out

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and Trek Talking with us tonight. Thank you so much, Charles. Okay,

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and I want to say thank you to Eric for

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hanging out in Trek Talking with us.

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Thank you so much, Eric, absolutely, Thank you guys.

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Of course that's all right. And thank you so much

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to Paul for hanging out with us and sharing insight

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on Master replicas.

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Yeah, and it was good.

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Thanks for choosing the theme you did tonight, Jim. A

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lot of people are scared and freaked out, and I

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think it's it just I don't know. It helps to

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talk about stuff right.

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And not only talk about it, brother, but like not

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stick your head in the sand a portunity. It's not happening,

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because the more we do that, the more power we

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give to the people who are doing the things that

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they're doing. So the more we talk about it, the

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more it's out in the open, the more we choose

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to be activists about things, the better.

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And you know, also one one minor point here, which

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may sound narcissistic, but I'm still going to say it,

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right is we have this podcast is a pretty international audience.

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You see when we go through and we read through

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the fan shout outs every week, right, I mean, I

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think it's kind of helpful for folks. I think right now,

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a lot of people in other countries are like Americans

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are a holes.

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Not all of us are. Why are you guys such

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a holes? I mean they really, you know, and we're not.

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We're not all these money hungry monsters that sometimes we

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get perceived as. So I think this is helpful to

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kind of say, hey, you know, no surprise, because we

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01:58:51.319 --> 01:58:53.159
all like Star Trek, maybe we are a little bit

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01:58:53.239 --> 01:58:56.840
more open minded and not quite so hateful. So maybe

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01:58:56.880 --> 01:58:59.279
this is helping, you know, change the minds and have

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people not go completely right off the USA, because I

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see a lot of people wanting to do that right now.

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So hope, as David you know, evoked for us tonight, resilience,

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strength of the human spirit. I think that's really important

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to hang on to.

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Hope.

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Yeah, well, you know what gave me the idea was

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when I heard about wanting to open up Guantanamo Bay

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and fill it up with immigrants and turn around and

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annex the gods a strip and send criminals over there,

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you know, take over the Panama Canal, roll into Greenland

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and all this crazy talk. And you know, I thought,

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you know, we need to talk about this. We need

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to get this out there, We need to have these conversations.

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And that's why I decided to talk about that this week.

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So anyways, and last, but not least, on our list

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is our very own mister Scotti himself, my miracle worker. David,

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thank you so much for hanging out with us and

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making the show work tonight. David, thank you.

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Yeah, you did all the work. By the way I shout,

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I can see that.

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Is give him some Moldie cheese. He'll be happy.

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That won't work, you might blow up, Oh boy.

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All right, guys, well guess what. Star Trek fans are

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the best fans. You better believe that. Thank you so

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much for being a fan. And please everybody be good

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to each other and stay safe. Hailing frequencies are closed.

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Good night, everybody, prosper farewell all stations.

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I'm ready for departure, sir.

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Some problem right, just hoping this isn't the usual way

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of missions will go, sir. Oh, No Number one. I'm

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sure it most will be much more interesting. Let's see

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what's out there.

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No.