Feb. 1, 2025

Episode.620- Section 31 review/discussion

Episode.620- Section 31 review/discussion

In this episode of Trek Talking, host Uncle Jim and his co-hosts discuss various themes related to Star Trek, including the concept of Section 31, the importance of disagreement in society. They engage with their fan community through shout outs and...

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Season 4Star Trek DiscoverySection 31

In this episode of Trek Talking, host Uncle Jim and his co-hosts discuss various themes related to Star Trek, including the concept of Section 31, the importance of disagreement in society. They engage with their fan community through shout outs and interactive polls that explore ethical dilemmas presented in Star Trek episodes, particularly focusing on the implications of memory alteration and identity. The conversation delves into the complexities of character choices in Star Trek, particularly focusing on Worf's decisions and the implications of Klingon honor. The discussion transitions into a critique of the Section 31 movie, with various hosts sharing their perspectives on the film's storytelling, character development, and fan reactions. The conversation highlights the subjective nature of art and storytelling, with each participant offering their unique insights and ratings for the movie, ultimately reflecting on the future of Star Trek. They discuss the legacy of Star Trek's societies and races, celebrate notable birthdays within the franchise, and highlight Colm Meany's recent Lifetime Achievement Award. The conversation wraps up with exciting news about upcoming LEGO sets based on Star Trek, showcasing the enduring appeal of the franchise.

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Well, Hello trekkies and trekkers around the globe. It is Thursday,

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January thirtieth, twenty twenty five. Welcome to episode six hundred

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and twenty of Trek Talking. I'm your most excellent host,

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Uncle Jim, and before we get too far, I want

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to go around and introduce my trek Spurts. And we're

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going to start off with Paul. Paul's out in Portland.

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How you doing tonight, Paul.

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It's been a strange couple of days, my friend, a

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strange couple of days, but I am doing okay, and

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it's the right on the very tail end of January,

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which is crazy, the first month of the year almost

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behind us. So yeah, wild, pretty wild.

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It's creeping along, that's for sure.

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Yeah, but good to be here, thank you.

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It's gonna be fun Friday's Eve, as we say. And

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also not from Portland, but from Las Vegas tonight, we

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have our very own Eric. How you doing tonight? Eric?

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Doing pretty good GYM on a little uh little vacation

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here live from the park MGM down in Vegas here,

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and I guess I'll say you know, the last week

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here has me thinking about the immortal words of Captain

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Rachel Garrett, well future Captain Rachel Garrett. Chass is my

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friends with benefits that.

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It is that it is my friend. And also from Portland,

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we have David, our very own miracle worker. How you

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doing tonight, David? Uh oh oh donuts.

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I've been pretty good, uh been pretty bitchy goodness film

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together for you guys. So yeah, it's been quite a

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long road. I guess you could save from here to there.

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That looks especially like an old fashioned David, am I.

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Right, yeah, it's really old fashioned, like Clint.

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I hope it's not moldy it's a petrifidle.

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That's your title.

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It's a moldy oldie.

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That's a fossilized old fashion.

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And we also have with us Charles who's actually in

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Las Vegas and he's our local hologram. How you doing tonight, Charles?

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When it's getting better, Beric's enjoying it. I'm ready to

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talk some section thirty one.

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Yes we are.

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You don't make me happ torture Uncle Jim.

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All right, guys, so we have a like, Like Charles said,

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we're gonna be talking about section thirty one tonight. And

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there's one comment that I want to make to everybody

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who's listening right now to this podcast, whether it's live

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or memorys one thing that people in this society today

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don't seem to be able to understand. It's okay for

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people to disagree. In fact, that's what makes society function

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is when people disagree. The problem comes when people think

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you're either with me or you're against me, and there

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is no gray area and there's nothing else, and if

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you're against me, you're my enemy, and that just is

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absolutely ball. Okay. I give you an example. I love

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Star Trek five and anyone that's listening to this podcast

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or any of my my co hosts know that Star

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Trek five is my favorite movie. In fact, right here

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over my head, right there you'll see is my Star

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Trek five autograph right right there, all right. I love

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Star Trek five. Majority of the fans hate it. I

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don't care. I love it, and that's okay if you

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don't like it, and it's okay if I like it.

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So you're gonna hear a lot of opinions tonight, but

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you're not gonna hear anybody cursing anybody out. You're not

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gonna hear name calling. And because we're adults, so bear

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starting tomorrow, I'll take a lot of clips from tonight's

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show and I'll put them up to give you a

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little taste of what we talked about. You can find

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our YouTube channel, so please check that out. Housekeeping. Nicholas

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Meyer is going to be with us next week, and

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you may know him as a screenwriter, director, an author,

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known for his best selling novel The Seven Percent Solution.

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Has anybody read that? I have not. It's a Sherlock

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Holmes book, and I'm not much of a Sherlock holmesy in,

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so I don't know about it.

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I've seen the movie, but have never actually read the novel.

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Me neither. He also directed the film's Time After Time,

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a Little One called Star Trek two The Wrath of Khn,

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which some of you guys might be familiar.

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With, maybe fear of That.

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He also directed the nineteen eighty three television movie The

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Day After which scared to live in be Jesus out

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of Me when I saw that, And he co wrote

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and directed Star Trek six The Undiscovered Country. And he

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co wrote the screenplay for Star Trek four The Voyage Home,

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and served as season one science advisor on Star Trek

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Discovery and wrote the three parts series SETI Alpha five

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about con which we haven't heard much about. We can

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ask him. He will be on the show next week,

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So head over to Trek Talking dot com. You'll see

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Leave a question for Nick Meyer. We will play it

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on the show and get an answer for you coming

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up on February thirteenth. As I just mentioned Star Trek

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five right there, one of my favorite movies, and I

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always jump at the opportunity to talk to anybody from

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Star Trek five. So on February thirteenth, we're going to

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be talking to John Simpson, who played the young Sarah

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in the flashback scenes in Star Trek five The Final

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Frontier when Spock was born. So if you have any

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questions for him, same same procedure. Head over to trek

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Talking dot com, click on the little blue talkback Mike,

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leave us a message. It doesn't have to be a

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question for Nick or John. You can just callin. Tell

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us how awesome we are, how great Eric's harra looks,

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how you like flickering our flickering hologram, anything, anything you

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want to tell us, you can just leave us a

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message and we will play it on the air. And

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finally on February twentieth, this is really going to be

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a good show, especially with everything that's going on here

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in the United States right now. We're going to be

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talking about they called us enemy, and this is the

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George de kay graphic novel about the American Japanese that

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were held in internment camps in the nineteen forties, and

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we're going to talk about that rather extensively, and I

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think that's an important topic to touch on, particularly with

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what's going on today. We cannot let fear divide us

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and cause us to turn on each other, because I'm

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telling you right now, divided we fall united. We stand,

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we have to be vigilant, we have to stay united,

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and we can't let our eyes come off of the prize,

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and I think that they call us enemy is a

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great example of what can happen to Americans, even when

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they mean the best, when they do the worst. So

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we're going to talk a lot about that on February twentieth,

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and that, my friends, is all the news I have

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to share with you right now. So without any further ado,

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I think it is time to get into our fan

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shout outs. What do you guys think you're ready for

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some fan shout outs? Let's do it, all right, where's

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my where's my fan shout out song? I can't I

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can't find my fan ba.

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Well, I don't know.

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I don't see it.

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Well, well it's not live. It's live.

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Yeah, it's still live and there's nothing edited. So oh god,

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I can't find it.

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Let's say it. Come on, guys, let's do this.

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I can't find it, all right? So anyways, you guys

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can head over to our our Facebook page, our Tumblr page.

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You can tell us where you're listening from. On all

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of our social media you'll see the livelong and prosper

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and just tell us where you're listening from. If you

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see a heart next year, your name from yours truly,

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Uncle Jim, you will be featured on a future fan

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shout out, so Eric you want to get us started this.

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Week, I absolutely do.

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Our very first fan shout out this week goes out

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to Klaus thel Clena, who's saying hello to us from

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Germany and sending us that livelong and prosper and a

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little little cool guy with some glasses. So, Klaus, thank

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you so much for saying hello to us this week.

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It really means a lot that you interact with us

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on our Facebook page and listen to our podcast.

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Thank you so much for that.

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We're also saying hello this week to Michelle Rousseau, who's

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saying hello to us from Angriy, Italy. I have not

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been to Angri. I have been to Italy a couple

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of times, though, and that is one amazing place folks.

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And Michelle, I'm sure that you know that already and

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I'm gonna have to look up your town. Yeah, I'm

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gonna do it. Also saying hello this week to Luis Hario,

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who is saying hello from the Milky Way in the

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Orion's arms, Saul third Planet from the Sun, England, London,

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sending us that long and prosper as well as a

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cool planet with some rings saturn Esque. I would say,

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although that third planet doesn't have rings, Oh wait it does.

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Isn't there a vehicle floating around our planet right now?

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I heard about it? So that anyway, Louise, thank you

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so much for listening to our podcast, and hello and

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live long and prosper to you, Charles. I'm gonna pass

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this shout out megaphone over to you, sir.

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Thank you, Eric. Let's start off within warm greeting from Wooster, Ohio.

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Op Van Jeffrey Wilson says hello there above Oregon wash

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his steak Rocks and Waters says greeting from Minnesota. David

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Boucher gives us greetings and Indiana James Webb sends his jails. David,

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who's on your frequency?

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Yeah? I would like cruchee hello and well. One welcome

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to a top fan James Robinson from Linda, Texas. I

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would like to give another one welcome to Greg Coe

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from Oklahoma. And another one welcome to Cat Gardner from Spreenfield, Greenfield, Majorie.

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And last on my list is another one welcome to

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top fan Doug Graham from Lewiston, Idaho Paul, I'm going

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to patch this over to you.

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Oh I thank you, David. I appreciate that very much.

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We have top fan mayhem going on here at Trek

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Talk tonight. Every single one of these folks I'm about

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to introduce our top fans, and they are scattered all

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over the four corners of the globe, which is a

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weird expression because how can a globe even have a corner?

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But I digress. First of all, let's say hello to

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top fan Samantha Rawana, who is giving us a hello

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from basing Stoke, Hampshire in England. That's sort of midway

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between Winchester and Redding, memory serves. But wonderful to hear

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from somebody in my home soil there Union Jack fluttering

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in the wind. So Samantha, thanks for being a fan,

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and thanks for sharing your enthusiasm for Star Trek with us.

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in every continent. And going back over to Europe, you

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Rajit Sega Raji. It is wonderful to hear from you,

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my friend, big fan of all things India. So great

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to hear from everybody here. It's really encouraging to know

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that there's a lot of folks scattered across the globe

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who share our fondness for Star Trek. And hopefully everybody

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one over the last week so you can form your

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and I'm going to pass you Sylvy to top klingon

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Uncle Jim.

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Who is muted.

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But Uncle Jim, take the battles out of your throat chip.

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Come ony. Technology is just awesome, isn't it. Anyways? Thank

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you so much, Paul and I'm going to start off

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with a top fan on my list. I want to

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say thank you to Joe Anthony, who's listening to us

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in the Big Apple tonight, New York, New York. Thank you.

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I'm right across the street from them.

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much for I get away from there. We also want

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to say thank you to Stefan Stock who's listening to

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us in Rhode Island. And last but not least, we

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who's listening to us in Albany, New York. Thank you

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so much. Guys. If you can head over to our

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find this poll everywhere. Tell us where you're from. And

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by the way, if you're watching us on video, you'll

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see all these pictures going by that David was so

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nice to put together for us. If you are mentioned

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in a fan shout out and you want to send

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you can send that to us and your picture can

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appear right there, so that everybody not only do they

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a fan as well. And while you're doing that, you

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can answer our polls. Every week. I try to come

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up with interesting, fun, challenging, ethical questions to ask you guys,

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to see what you if you agreed with our Star

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Trek people, So we're gonna do our Star Trek polls.

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You know me like no Wind, but you thought about

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the showmen.

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We try.

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To share your opinions with all of our minions out

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there because hey, listen, worldwhe.

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So tell us just what you think.

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Get together, we will alter Canara and Robulin a.

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Al right, guys, excellent song by the way, Eric, I.

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Think, well, you know, I'll say that when you sing

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those lyrics at the karaoke version of that song, it

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just doesn't hit quite as hard.

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Alright.

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I couldn't get all the pictures in today because we

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couldn't find any show. Sorry about that.

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Yeah, we had some David so with any without any

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further ado, Eric, would you like to get us started

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with our polls?

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Would I ever?

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All right?

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Poll number one this week is in the t NNG

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episode Symbiosis the enterprise encounters two neighboring cultures, one suffering

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from a plague drug addicts, the other marketing a cure

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drug dealers. In the end, Picard decides to do nothing.

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Did he make the correct decision? And in a rare

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feat a rare landslide, I would say one hundred percent

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of our Pole answers this week said absolutely Picard did

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the right thing there, and zero percent said no. So,

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you know, society, you got the elite making the drugs

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and marketing a cure, and you got the non elite

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taking them and being reliant on the cure, and Picard

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does nothing. So I don't know what do y'all think?

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Do you agree with our listeners? Did the card make

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the right decision here?

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Would you say that our whole respondents? Would you say that?

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Are Pole respondents? Basically we're you know, lining up behind

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the prime directive because this is the culture that had

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been established, this is the dynamic that that particular society

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had to interfere, would have been breaking the prime directive.

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So I think everyone's kind of you know, standing up

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on that side, right, I mean, not that the prime

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directive doesn't get broken on a whim. On a regular basis,

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But it seemed to me that this would have been, like,

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all right, interfering may be morally objectionable from our current lens,

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but you know, it's it would have been, you know,

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the big PD.

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I mean, I think that it is a solid question,

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and I mean, obviously the answer is because the writers

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made it this way. But if if you know, there

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are plenty of episodes, as you said, Paul, where the

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prime directive is broken, and I think some of them

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in situations maybe even less severe or polarizing than this,

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And so, uh, you know, our listeners are lining up

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behind Picard and that is absolutely why Picard made the

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right decision. And in fact, you'll notice kind of a

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theme to some of our polls tonight wherein the prime

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directive is invoked. So does that make it right? I

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don't know, maybe maybe it does.

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Well if you guys remember we visit this planet on

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lower decks and we get to see what happened after

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Picard made that decision, you guys remember.

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Yeah, tell us about it, Jim.

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Oh, okay, I'll tell you. Yeah. So in this particular case,

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you got don't recall the planet that was dealing drugs.

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The drug dealers actually got taken over by the packlids

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and the planet that was addicted to drugs became a

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thriving artistic cultural mecca once they got off the drugs.

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So did Picard make the right choice? So in this

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particular episode, if you don't remember it, there was a

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ship that was stuck in orbit that who's the engine

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failed or the warp core conduits ruptured, whatever technobabble there was,

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and the Enterprise receives a distress call. Jordy beams over.

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He can fix the ship and get them on their way,

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but the card isn't quite sure. Then these people show

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up in this intergalactic Cadillac demanding that these poor people

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in this broken down ship give them what they owe them,

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and Beverly does her magic finds out that these people

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are all addicted to drugsugs and that these other people

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are providing the drugs and this is the dynamic that's

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going on. And once Picard finds that out, game over, Man,

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game over. They fix the ship to get the people

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back safely, and that's it. They fly away and leave

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them to their own So, yeah, I know, I've we've

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seen Jane Wade break the prime directive on more than I.

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Mean, I think this one is a little is a

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little unique in that it's based on an affluent, you know,

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society specifically taking advantage of another society for their own gain.

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And so in this particular instance, my stance is that

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I think Bicard made the wrong decision, and I guess

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that that's where the lower Deck story kind of takes

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it right. It's like, oh, you know what, somebody else

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the packlids actually interfered, and all of the sudden it

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actually made the drug addicts lives better and they weren't

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addicted to their drugs anymore, and they became a thriving community.

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So in my mind, I think Picard was a little

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too stuffy about this one and probably should have broken

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the prime directive.

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Well, I you know, I think he made. And if

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you guys remember the the drug addicts had this like

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little electric shock deal in their fingers and the one

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guy grabs Riker and he's gonna shock them. And in fact, yes,

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if I remember correctly, that's the guy from Star Trek

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to the Wrath of Khan, if I remember correctly, wasn't

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it Yeah, it was Merrik. It was Merrek. Buttrick, wasn't it.

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I think so, Yeah, I think it was. I think

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it was. Yeah. And the drug dealers, oh my god,

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where they dinks or what? They were like stuck up like, uh,

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well we read the prime directive and we know you

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have to help us, and blah blah blah blah blah.

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They were they were they were arrogant, and I was

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glad Picard left them hanging. So I agree with our fans.

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What about you, David.

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Well? I would have to agree with the fans on

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this one as well, just because I don't want to

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ruin the the timeline of like what actually happened, because

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if we said something different, you know, it's could probably

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go off in a different direction. But I don't want

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to create an alternate universe. But you know what, I think.

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The question is whether he made the right decision or

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and I don't think that creates an alternati.

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I agree with him. I agree with the fan oh man, Yeah, yeah,

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it's I kind of agree with Well, just because you

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can't fix everything in the universe, so technically the other

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things that you do have to leave alone. So technically, yes,

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in my opinion, So yeah, that's about it.

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All right, how about you, Charles, what do you think?

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Well, I'm not sure Percard would have realized that the

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society could have changed. It also might have been the

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society eventually got to the point with the pack lids

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that they finally were able to change. But I think

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at this point, I don't think it was the job

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of the Federation to sit there and judge the planets

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for their things, because they're not Federation citizens. And I

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think the Prime Directive General Order ones required you leave

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such societies alone. And even though they're moving on ship.

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Were they warped society?

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I think that they were if I I think so, Yeah.

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They had they were warped society.

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Yeah, they were certainly aware of warp technology based on

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their their people who were taking advantage of them.

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But I still think there's a limitation of what Starfleet

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really wanted to deal with, especially with non Starfleet citizens.

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All right, Well, that question was was I think a

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little bit that was kind of an easy one compared

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to the next one.

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Did we get Paul's answer on that one? What did

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you think Paul did? Did you agree with uh Picard or.

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You Yeah, Paul agreed, Yeah, Prime directive pretty much right.

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I mean, yeah, otherwise you're in a whole conundrum. And

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then you know, as soon as you start violating the

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prime director, if you have to justify how you did

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it in terms of the larger landscape of everything, and

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just no one's got time for that, at least not.

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You know, let's move it alone.

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I like these polls. All right, we'll move it on.

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Here we go.

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This one's not quite as easy, Eric, So what's this one?

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In the enterprise episode, Dear Doctor, do you agree with

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Doctor Flox's decision to withhold the cure?

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So, do you guys remember that episode?

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Yeah?

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Yeah, yeah, I mean this is this is the one

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where they're there's ah, it's like a disease that he

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has to come up with a cure and it takes

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he says he can't do it, and it sort of

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takes him forever to do it. And it's it's two

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sentient societies, right, who are growing up on the same planet.

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He thinks that that's kind of a unique thing in

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the world or in the universe, because typically on most planets,

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one sentient species sort of destroys all of the other ones,

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and so he kind of sees this as a special

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almost like symbiosis between the two societies, and they discover

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that this disease is actually going to wipe out one

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of the societies within like a couple one hundred years,

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and so Archer wants him to develop some sort of

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cure that will help that species not be wiped out

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by this disease that the other species is immune to.

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And Flocks kind of secretly actually comes up with the

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cure and then decides that he doesn't think it's the

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right thing to do to administer it to the other

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or society, And so I think in the end he

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doesn't do it, right?

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Is that how I remember on this one? And it's

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been a while, but basically, you know, Flox convinces Archer

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to basically commit genocide right from this kind of simplistic

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understanding of evolution.

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Now, hold on a second, this is a prime directive thing.

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This is the last question.

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Yeah, I think when you run into a thing where

472
00:27:33.400 --> 00:27:36.440
it becomes like you, you're you know, it's basically like

473
00:27:36.519 --> 00:27:40.640
Asimov's law of robotics. Right if through in action you

474
00:27:40.680 --> 00:27:43.759
are allowing somebody to be harmed, it's it's a different

475
00:27:43.759 --> 00:27:44.519
story altogether.

476
00:27:44.599 --> 00:27:47.279
That's the same thing as the last question we just asked,

477
00:27:47.440 --> 00:27:50.400
I disagree in this context no, because he's basically he's

478
00:27:50.400 --> 00:27:53.279
got the ability to save somebody, and he basically says, no,

479
00:27:53.359 --> 00:27:54.920
I go ahead and let them die out.

480
00:27:55.279 --> 00:27:59.680
Also a prime directive never just did yet this was one.

481
00:28:00.400 --> 00:28:06.200
Yeah. So this is the difference between this question and

482
00:28:06.279 --> 00:28:09.119
the last one is that in the last question it

483
00:28:09.160 --> 00:28:15.160
was a man made created situation, and in this question, though,

484
00:28:15.480 --> 00:28:19.559
the one race is going to take over the planet

485
00:28:19.599 --> 00:28:21.799
from the other race when they die out, and Flox

486
00:28:21.839 --> 00:28:25.160
is saying that that's just natural, that's the course of nature,

487
00:28:25.200 --> 00:28:28.559
and we have no right to interfere in that course

488
00:28:28.599 --> 00:28:32.240
of nature, even though we can, and you know, Archer

489
00:28:32.359 --> 00:28:36.000
tells him to do it, and Flox refuses. So the

490
00:28:36.000 --> 00:28:38.640
other race is going to die off and the other

491
00:28:38.720 --> 00:28:40.960
race is going to take over. It's a little bit different,

492
00:28:41.200 --> 00:28:44.039
but it's the same a little bit too. This is

493
00:28:44.079 --> 00:28:45.440
more of a question of nature.

494
00:28:48.920 --> 00:28:54.279
So should we be playing should should the enterprise be playing? God?

495
00:28:54.960 --> 00:28:57.480
Right? That's why I asked this one. It's not quite

496
00:28:57.480 --> 00:29:01.240
as cut and dry as the drug dealer question. Because

497
00:29:01.240 --> 00:29:03.640
the drug dealer question, we know the people are addicts.

498
00:29:03.720 --> 00:29:06.160
When they get over the DTS, they'll be fine. In

499
00:29:06.200 --> 00:29:10.319
this case, the entire civilization is going to die, all

500
00:29:10.359 --> 00:29:13.920
of them, so so it's a little bit different. That's

501
00:29:13.920 --> 00:29:15.880
why I asked these questions, Guys, I don't want to

502
00:29:15.920 --> 00:29:18.440
throw I don't want to throw snowballs at you all

503
00:29:18.480 --> 00:29:18.880
the time.

504
00:29:19.799 --> 00:29:24.799
So Ucher agreed to allow Flock to give the medication

505
00:29:25.039 --> 00:29:27.519
to both of the ratis. I can't really remember.

506
00:29:28.759 --> 00:29:33.640
Archer ordered him to and he refused, and Archer respected

507
00:29:33.640 --> 00:29:38.519
his decision not to do it, so they didn't ably.

508
00:29:38.720 --> 00:29:40.839
Kind of what I like it as an episode that

509
00:29:40.960 --> 00:29:44.160
sort of gets Archer's wheels turning, because remember that Archer

510
00:29:44.240 --> 00:29:46.359
is there in twenty one to sixty one when the

511
00:29:46.359 --> 00:29:49.920
Federation is founded, and so this is probably one of

512
00:29:49.960 --> 00:29:52.519
the adventures that he had on the NXO one that

513
00:29:52.599 --> 00:29:57.319
helped him develop that idea of, you know, taking General

514
00:29:57.400 --> 00:29:59.319
Order one and kind of taking it to the next level.

515
00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:02.240
Yeah. Absolutely, what do you think?

516
00:30:02.279 --> 00:30:06.680
What do you think, Charles, as I said, plan, do

517
00:30:06.799 --> 00:30:09.759
we allow a start or do we have the future

518
00:30:09.799 --> 00:30:15.400
Stark Fleet to plan? God? And I think sometimes you

519
00:30:15.440 --> 00:30:17.920
gotta left the planet go it's direction it's going.

520
00:30:19.960 --> 00:30:26.480
Yep, absolutely all right, So Eric, we got one more poll, buddy,

521
00:30:26.720 --> 00:30:27.039
all right.

522
00:30:27.079 --> 00:30:30.039
The last poll is in the DS nine episode Sons

523
00:30:30.119 --> 00:30:34.440
of Mogue Wharf had Kerns memory wiped and replaced with

524
00:30:34.519 --> 00:30:38.240
a new identity to protect him. Was that the right decision?

525
00:30:38.960 --> 00:30:41.240
And fifty five percent of our listeners said it was

526
00:30:41.279 --> 00:30:44.559
the right decision, and forty five percent said.

527
00:30:44.319 --> 00:30:47.079
It was not the right decision. What do you guys think?

528
00:30:48.000 --> 00:30:50.119
Yeah, that one, that one wasn't as cut and dry

529
00:30:50.119 --> 00:30:53.640
as the others. Well though, was it interesting? So Paul,

530
00:30:53.720 --> 00:30:55.480
you want to start us off, sure.

531
00:30:55.640 --> 00:30:57.400
And you have to presh my memory on here a

532
00:30:57.400 --> 00:30:59.400
little bit, so it's a little abstract to me. But like,

533
00:30:59.839 --> 00:31:03.200
is Kern to this? This?

534
00:31:03.279 --> 00:31:04.079
Is?

535
00:31:03.519 --> 00:31:06.200
This is done like without his knowledge?

536
00:31:08.039 --> 00:31:11.039
Galan was being a dick as usual and decided to

537
00:31:11.039 --> 00:31:14.559
rewrite Klingon history. And part of that meant that Gown

538
00:31:14.759 --> 00:31:18.680
was the soul everything, and Kern and Warf know that

539
00:31:18.839 --> 00:31:23.400
he wasn't. So so Galarn takes away all of their lands,

540
00:31:23.519 --> 00:31:26.160
kicks them off the council. He's living in a gutter,

541
00:31:26.640 --> 00:31:30.240
eating dead gock and drinking stale blood wine and he's

542
00:31:30.279 --> 00:31:33.119
just not doing well. So he comes to DS nine

543
00:31:33.559 --> 00:31:36.240
and he wants Wharf to do that Klingon ritual where

544
00:31:36.279 --> 00:31:38.519
they plunged a knife into your heart and cut it

545
00:31:38.519 --> 00:31:41.079
out and kill you and blah blah blah blah blah.

546
00:31:41.240 --> 00:31:45.680
Warf won't do it, goes to Basher, rerates his memory,

547
00:31:45.759 --> 00:31:49.119
gives him a new history. Dasher does some surgery on him,

548
00:31:49.119 --> 00:31:52.039
and then he becomes Jack from the House of Eric

549
00:31:52.480 --> 00:31:55.720
and flies away into the sunset in a nutshell.

550
00:31:55.960 --> 00:31:58.640
Yeah, I think I got a nice So basically, it's

551
00:31:58.680 --> 00:32:01.240
like trying to save him from himself, right, because he's

552
00:32:01.240 --> 00:32:03.240
going to be tortured about it forever unless they do

553
00:32:03.359 --> 00:32:06.359
this thing. Right. To me, that just seems really heavy handed,

554
00:32:06.400 --> 00:32:08.640
and it's like it seems like an arbitrary hand of

555
00:32:08.680 --> 00:32:10.720
like the writer sneaking in here as a post of

556
00:32:10.759 --> 00:32:14.160
the way anybody would behave in life or reality, and

557
00:32:14.200 --> 00:32:18.880
you're you're taking away Kern's autonomy, all right. It's just

558
00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:20.680
like how is it? You know, it's just like, well,

559
00:32:20.680 --> 00:32:22.759
we know, what's I think. Anytime that somebody's like, we

560
00:32:22.799 --> 00:32:25.680
know what's best for you, you know, start running in the

561
00:32:25.720 --> 00:32:29.960
opposite direction, is my feeling on that? Right? It's just like,

562
00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:34.240
you know, no making a decision for Kern without him

563
00:32:34.319 --> 00:32:36.400
even weighing in on it, or having knowledge of what's

564
00:32:36.400 --> 00:32:39.799
being happening and his whole identity and autonomy being taken away.

565
00:32:40.759 --> 00:32:43.000
I just think it's ridiculous. No, I would I would

566
00:32:43.000 --> 00:32:46.000
say that's probably a bad call. I mean, good intentions

567
00:32:46.039 --> 00:32:49.319
always being what they are seldom end up having a

568
00:32:49.359 --> 00:32:53.759
good outcome for the person who having those intentions inflicted

569
00:32:53.839 --> 00:32:57.160
on them. So I would say, no, all right, what

570
00:32:57.200 --> 00:32:57.640
about you.

571
00:32:57.759 --> 00:33:04.680
Eric, I tend to I tend to agree it's a

572
00:33:04.720 --> 00:33:10.000
bit heavy handed. I think that in doing so, Wharf

573
00:33:10.200 --> 00:33:14.480
is acknowledging Kern's weakness, in that Kern would not be

574
00:33:14.519 --> 00:33:17.880
able to recover from this, you know. I mean what

575
00:33:17.960 --> 00:33:20.839
should have happened was WARF should have helped kind of

576
00:33:20.880 --> 00:33:25.400
facilitate Kern's rehabilitation and help him learn that he could

577
00:33:25.440 --> 00:33:27.960
be a proud Klingon even without a B and C

578
00:33:28.160 --> 00:33:28.480
that he.

579
00:33:28.559 --> 00:33:29.119
Used to have.

580
00:33:29.759 --> 00:33:31.960
But instead, they sort of take the easy way out

581
00:33:31.960 --> 00:33:35.200
and say, you know, let's just wipe his memory and

582
00:33:35.240 --> 00:33:38.440
then it's that's like the low hangingest fruit that you

583
00:33:38.519 --> 00:33:40.720
can that you can find in that case, and so

584
00:33:40.839 --> 00:33:42.319
let's just go ahead and do it that way. It

585
00:33:42.319 --> 00:33:47.079
feels it feels heavy handed and an acknowledgment of a

586
00:33:47.119 --> 00:33:50.839
weakness that I don't know, Kern couldn't get through with

587
00:33:50.920 --> 00:33:55.680
the correct you know, help cling on counseling. I don't know, man,

588
00:33:56.119 --> 00:33:58.680
he probably could have could have found another way around

589
00:33:58.680 --> 00:34:01.039
this other than having his memory white.

590
00:34:01.200 --> 00:34:03.039
And I think that it just I think that it

591
00:34:03.079 --> 00:34:08.000
goes to prove how on Klingon Warf actually is. I

592
00:34:08.000 --> 00:34:10.280
think all his years around human has made him weak

593
00:34:11.320 --> 00:34:15.400
because any real Klingon would have committed the rock Tock

594
00:34:15.679 --> 00:34:18.840
ceremony or whatever it was and plunged a dagger into

595
00:34:18.880 --> 00:34:21.920
his heart and given him what he wanted, death with honor.

596
00:34:22.360 --> 00:34:25.920
And I think by Warf not doing that, it takes

597
00:34:25.960 --> 00:34:29.480
away Kern's honor in a way that Kern's not aware of.

598
00:34:29.880 --> 00:34:33.039
And it just it weakens Wharf. It just shows you

599
00:34:33.159 --> 00:34:35.719
how weak I don't want to use the word weak,

600
00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:39.800
but you guys know what I'm saying, how how humanized

601
00:34:39.840 --> 00:34:43.199
Warf has become. Because one thing that star Trek always

602
00:34:43.199 --> 00:34:46.119
seems to do is want to place human values, in

603
00:34:46.199 --> 00:34:49.199
human ethics on alien species, and this is a perfect

604
00:34:49.199 --> 00:34:53.599
example of that right there. Warf Wharf should have killed him.

605
00:34:53.920 --> 00:34:57.280
If Worf was a Klingon, well he was a Klingon.

606
00:34:57.320 --> 00:35:00.679
But if he was a true Klingon, he would have

607
00:35:00.800 --> 00:35:02.639
killed him, and he didn't.

608
00:35:02.679 --> 00:35:06.679
So I mean, this episode's probably probably a great candidate

609
00:35:06.719 --> 00:35:09.039
for a follow up, right, I'd love to see where

610
00:35:09.199 --> 00:35:13.119
Kerrent is these days. Does he have like nightmares about

611
00:35:13.159 --> 00:35:17.239
being uh a Klingon back in the day. Has he

612
00:35:17.320 --> 00:35:21.559
become a really great human as a result of this.

613
00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:25.039
I'd love to see, you know, the consequences of of

614
00:35:25.559 --> 00:35:28.000
where he ended up after this decision.

615
00:35:28.920 --> 00:35:35.280
Taking blood wine on some farm somewhere. Uh, what do

616
00:35:35.320 --> 00:35:37.320
you think, David, Do you agree with the fans or not?

617
00:35:39.039 --> 00:35:43.000
Do my decision? Yeah, I'm gonna have to say no way.

618
00:35:43.559 --> 00:35:45.280
It's not very clean on. I think the word you

619
00:35:45.280 --> 00:35:51.239
were looking for, Jim was influenced. Yah, So technically I

620
00:35:51.280 --> 00:35:53.920
think yeah, she would very heavily influence. And I actually

621
00:35:54.239 --> 00:35:57.559
like this the way they did it because it added

622
00:35:57.559 --> 00:36:03.239
more to the story, you know how of course humans

623
00:36:03.239 --> 00:36:07.440
are influencing him, so and if he would have killed him,

624
00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:09.880
that would have been a good story too. But at

625
00:36:09.920 --> 00:36:14.800
the same time, it's just like yes and no. I

626
00:36:14.800 --> 00:36:18.199
mean I'm leaning more toward no way, just because of

627
00:36:18.480 --> 00:36:22.920
the idea that it isn't very clean on and we

628
00:36:23.239 --> 00:36:26.639
all agree that we should all that we all agree

629
00:36:26.679 --> 00:36:29.559
that we need a game of phones that will clean

630
00:36:29.599 --> 00:36:33.719
on show. Right, this is just something that needs to happen.

631
00:36:33.880 --> 00:36:39.639
So technically, yeah, I think if we saw more violence

632
00:36:39.800 --> 00:36:43.960
in the TV shows, that would be probably more clean

633
00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:48.360
on society thing that would go on. But to me,

634
00:36:48.599 --> 00:36:52.760
i'm when this show came out. I mean, of course,

635
00:36:53.119 --> 00:36:57.039
the woman I believe it was who was doing all

636
00:36:57.039 --> 00:37:01.800
the episodes, they wanted to keep violence to minimum. I'm

637
00:37:01.800 --> 00:37:04.400
not saying that violence makes a good TV show or anything,

638
00:37:04.559 --> 00:37:06.320
or a movie for that matter, But I'm just saying

639
00:37:06.360 --> 00:37:09.519
that when it comes to a cult sure that driven

640
00:37:09.599 --> 00:37:11.880
on violence, you think that that would be the first

641
00:37:11.880 --> 00:37:17.840
thing that ever comes about. So I mean, hoo, yes too.

642
00:37:17.920 --> 00:37:27.199
But it's just yeah, I mean, I know, I'll shut

643
00:37:27.280 --> 00:37:29.559
up and you know, played donut hand.

644
00:37:29.480 --> 00:37:31.920
He's like that to make someone think of the thing

645
00:37:32.000 --> 00:37:34.440
that's not the thing. But on the other hand, then

646
00:37:34.480 --> 00:37:36.480
the other guy's got the thing and he steps it

647
00:37:36.519 --> 00:37:38.320
in the back of your head and then over here

648
00:37:38.440 --> 00:37:40.440
I had it one day.

649
00:37:42.000 --> 00:37:44.599
Well, Charles, you follow well.

650
00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:53.039
Dave, how would the fans have reacted if Ward Wharf

651
00:37:53.079 --> 00:38:01.079
had chosen to kill his brotherling on right there.

652
00:38:01.480 --> 00:38:04.920
That's the pling on thing to do, baby.

653
00:38:05.840 --> 00:38:06.239
Yeah.

654
00:38:06.320 --> 00:38:08.800
But I think they looked at Warf, look at how

655
00:38:08.840 --> 00:38:12.880
Warf trewed the wharf, wanted to kill himself when he

656
00:38:13.119 --> 00:38:18.679
uh injured his spine, and yet we talked him, talked

657
00:38:18.760 --> 00:38:23.199
him into not killing himself and being there for his son.

658
00:38:25.360 --> 00:38:29.920
So I think we've kind of given war from more

659
00:38:30.039 --> 00:38:33.800
human side to him. And I think they chose to

660
00:38:33.840 --> 00:38:39.199
reflect on the human side on this episode instead of

661
00:38:39.280 --> 00:38:42.920
killing his brother, giving his brother the second chance of

662
00:38:43.000 --> 00:38:47.000
moving on and not having to deal with the disgrace

663
00:38:48.199 --> 00:38:49.800
of the Mogue name at that time.

664
00:38:52.760 --> 00:38:55.679
Cool. All right, Well there you have it, guys. The

665
00:38:55.719 --> 00:39:01.199
truck Spurts have spoken, all right. So all right, so

666
00:39:01.199 --> 00:39:02.960
we're ready to move on, and now we're going to

667
00:39:03.039 --> 00:39:07.719
go to our cadet training. Courtesy of Charles, I have

668
00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:08.480
to this song.

669
00:39:08.559 --> 00:39:09.079
I do have.

670
00:39:10.760 --> 00:39:14.320
We are the Bog blow your shields and your ships.

671
00:39:14.800 --> 00:39:18.559
We will add to a biological and technological distinctiveness to

672
00:39:18.639 --> 00:39:19.039
our own.

673
00:39:19.639 --> 00:39:27.360
Your culture will adapt to it serves us resistance, all right, Charles,

674
00:39:27.480 --> 00:39:28.679
take it away, buddy.

675
00:39:29.440 --> 00:39:29.719
Yeah.

676
00:39:29.800 --> 00:39:35.480
I think by Strange New Worlds, we need a better song. Okay,

677
00:39:36.320 --> 00:39:41.320
all kinds of interesting little cadets on this one, of course,

678
00:39:41.400 --> 00:39:47.639
wrought off the bat Discovery season one and a little

679
00:39:47.679 --> 00:39:56.079
bit of season three, giving us the history of Emperor

680
00:39:56.159 --> 00:40:06.239
Philippa Giorgio cos Let this be your last Battlefield Season

681
00:40:06.480 --> 00:40:14.400
three episode fifteen, as we had two beings the planet Sharon, Well,

682
00:40:14.519 --> 00:40:22.920
guess what I'm guessing somebody survived because the society lived

683
00:40:24.239 --> 00:40:29.519
star Trek sixth the undiscovered country we were introduced to.

684
00:40:29.519 --> 00:40:35.599
The Chameleoids were non human, which were non human species

685
00:40:36.360 --> 00:40:42.039
of shape shifters, and of course Star Trek. The motion

686
00:40:42.199 --> 00:40:49.920
picture was we were first introduced to the Delton tngs

687
00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:57.519
Yescha's Enterprise, Season three, episode fifteen, Captain Rachel Garrett as

688
00:40:57.519 --> 00:41:03.159
we now first see here Lieutenant Garrett Section thirty one,

689
00:41:04.079 --> 00:41:06.719
or as an organization claimed to be sanctioned by the

690
00:41:06.719 --> 00:41:11.559
original Starfleet Charter Article fourteen, Section thirty one, which allowed

691
00:41:11.559 --> 00:41:15.360
for extraordinary measures to be taken in times of extreme threat.

692
00:41:17.000 --> 00:41:18.960
This one, you're gonna do a lot of research that

693
00:41:19.039 --> 00:41:22.519
you're gonna have to go back to DS nine, Enterprise

694
00:41:22.800 --> 00:41:27.679
and Discovery. And then one last one that I thought

695
00:41:27.679 --> 00:41:33.280
was an interesting one TOS Space Seed Season one episode

696
00:41:33.320 --> 00:41:36.920
twenty two and start Trick two, The Wrath of Khan

697
00:41:38.360 --> 00:41:42.760
and the Eugenics Wars. There's also a good comic out

698
00:41:42.760 --> 00:41:48.440
there somewhere that talked about the Eugenics Wars, and we

699
00:41:48.519 --> 00:41:53.280
talked about the one of the crew. One of the

700
00:41:53.320 --> 00:41:58.880
Section thirty one crew came from the Eugenics Wars, and

701
00:41:59.400 --> 00:42:04.800
that would be the interesting history for his origin. God,

702
00:42:04.840 --> 00:42:08.519
I wonder what the fans thought of this or maybe yeah, So.

703
00:42:09.079 --> 00:42:12.239
You guys can go to our Tumblr page and that's

704
00:42:12.239 --> 00:42:17.199
where I seem to get the most in depth answers

705
00:42:17.320 --> 00:42:23.480
and poll ratings on our Tumbler page. So, Eric, what

706
00:42:23.519 --> 00:42:26.639
did our social media fans have to say about Section

707
00:42:27.000 --> 00:42:27.880
thirty one?

708
00:42:28.719 --> 00:42:33.719
Well, Julian John said, very disappointing. Michelle Yo deserved better.

709
00:42:34.679 --> 00:42:38.079
Susie Jalabi said, I just finished watching.

710
00:42:38.320 --> 00:42:39.360
It was awesome.

711
00:42:40.480 --> 00:42:44.320
Victoria Hewitt said, Nope, not track, A bunch of misfits,

712
00:42:44.599 --> 00:42:49.639
tired storyline, repetitive action scenes. Yo was amazing, the only

713
00:42:49.719 --> 00:42:54.920
thing worth the watch. Olivia Salifera said worst Star Trek

714
00:42:54.960 --> 00:43:00.360
movie ever, Just sad. Steve g Harsh said I just

715
00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:03.360
finished it and I really enjoyed it. It wasn't the

716
00:43:03.360 --> 00:43:05.440
best track movie. But I had a lot of fun

717
00:43:05.480 --> 00:43:08.159
watching it. I do think it would have benefited from

718
00:43:08.159 --> 00:43:11.079
being a series though. I'm a fan of Michelle Yeoh,

719
00:43:11.719 --> 00:43:14.400
and I always liked the Emperor character and Discovery, so

720
00:43:14.599 --> 00:43:17.400
it was nice seeing her back. I'd definitely tune in

721
00:43:17.840 --> 00:43:24.079
if TPTB decided to do another one. Bruce E. Tusher

722
00:43:24.360 --> 00:43:29.119
said good fun, liked young. Rachel garrett As representing Proper Starfleet.

723
00:43:30.079 --> 00:43:33.920
Gabriel Antonio Arias said this movie is awesome and amazing.

724
00:43:34.840 --> 00:43:38.559
Alana White, Star and All Star Contributors said, after reading

725
00:43:38.599 --> 00:43:41.280
my friend's negative reactions, I'm gonna give this one a

726
00:43:41.320 --> 00:43:42.440
miss a shame.

727
00:43:43.559 --> 00:43:44.119
Adam S.

728
00:43:44.199 --> 00:43:46.119
Hopkins said I just finished watching it.

729
00:43:46.320 --> 00:43:48.719
I liked it. I'm an old treky.

730
00:43:48.480 --> 00:43:52.440
But I like stories more than just green screen, live

731
00:43:52.480 --> 00:43:54.440
stories more than just green screen. Just tell me a

732
00:43:54.480 --> 00:43:56.760
good story and throw in special effects when and if

733
00:43:56.760 --> 00:43:59.480
they're needed, but the story is what's important.

734
00:44:00.400 --> 00:44:00.920
Steve A.

735
00:44:01.159 --> 00:44:04.039
Harris said I feel it was really bad and not

736
00:44:04.159 --> 00:44:07.840
star Trek. If you like it, good for you. Joe

737
00:44:07.920 --> 00:44:12.840
Boyd said entertaining and fun, and Redding said I watched it.

738
00:44:13.000 --> 00:44:15.559
The beginning was good, but it was downhill after that,

739
00:44:16.400 --> 00:44:20.079
and finally Steven Etherton said the release of it officially

740
00:44:20.119 --> 00:44:23.880
bumps Star Trek five from the Worst Trek Movie, so

741
00:44:23.920 --> 00:44:26.519
it has that going for it. I guess we have

742
00:44:26.639 --> 00:44:29.519
a fan score this week of the section thirty one

743
00:44:29.599 --> 00:44:34.440
movie of three point one. That is out of ten people.

744
00:44:34.599 --> 00:44:36.119
That's not out of five, that's out of ten.

745
00:44:36.679 --> 00:44:39.599
Wow. Section thirty one three point one gots you a

746
00:44:39.639 --> 00:44:43.679
different Well already there in uh.

747
00:44:43.440 --> 00:44:48.400
In for Paul, it was actually thirty point eight and

748
00:44:48.440 --> 00:44:51.360
the point eight rounded it up to point one, so

749
00:44:51.400 --> 00:44:54.519
that's where that came from. So I want to start off.

750
00:44:54.800 --> 00:44:56.920
I want to start off with this one. Usually I

751
00:44:57.000 --> 00:44:59.239
like to listen to what everybody else has to say first,

752
00:44:59.599 --> 00:45:01.800
but not this time. I want to jump in and

753
00:45:01.840 --> 00:45:04.440
go first. So I'm going to steal the limelight from

754
00:45:04.480 --> 00:45:07.400
everybody else first. I want to say, first of all,

755
00:45:07.760 --> 00:45:10.280
I've been waiting a long time for this movie. I

756
00:45:10.360 --> 00:45:13.760
love Michelle Yo. When she kicked Lorca in the face

757
00:45:13.840 --> 00:45:16.000
and he was standing behind her, oh my god, I

758
00:45:16.039 --> 00:45:18.840
just loved it. So yeah, I was looking forward to this.

759
00:45:20.199 --> 00:45:23.880
I actually after our podcast last week, I took a

760
00:45:23.960 --> 00:45:25.760
nap and I stayed up to watch it. I wanted

761
00:45:25.760 --> 00:45:28.599
to watch it before anybody spoiled it for me, and

762
00:45:28.639 --> 00:45:30.840
I'm glad that I did. I was watching it at

763
00:45:30.840 --> 00:45:33.960
three o'clock in the morning and I was but as tired.

764
00:45:34.519 --> 00:45:36.760
So I watched it and then I went to bed,

765
00:45:37.039 --> 00:45:38.800
and then I got up the next day, and then

766
00:45:38.840 --> 00:45:41.559
I watched it again. Then my daughter came home from work,

767
00:45:41.599 --> 00:45:43.679
I watched it with her. Then my wife wanted to

768
00:45:43.679 --> 00:45:46.000
watch it, so I watched it four times in one day.

769
00:45:46.400 --> 00:45:49.599
Well technically one day, so I watched it quite a

770
00:45:49.599 --> 00:45:51.639
few times. And I want to tell you. The first

771
00:45:51.639 --> 00:45:53.519
time I watched it at three o'clock in the morning,

772
00:45:54.079 --> 00:45:57.719
I was tired, and I'm thinking, oh, and I went

773
00:45:57.760 --> 00:46:00.639
to bed. Second time I watched it, I enjoyed it

774
00:46:00.719 --> 00:46:03.159
much more. And I want to say that I don't

775
00:46:03.239 --> 00:46:07.079
think that all the first of all, I think I

776
00:46:07.079 --> 00:46:09.760
think it's really easy to be negative about it because

777
00:46:09.840 --> 00:46:14.079
negativity gets clicks. And that's sad but true. You know,

778
00:46:14.119 --> 00:46:16.119
you put up an article about how much you hate

779
00:46:16.119 --> 00:46:18.239
Discovery and how woke it is and how gay it is,

780
00:46:18.400 --> 00:46:20.239
You're getting a million clicks put up at a post

781
00:46:20.280 --> 00:46:22.440
how much you like it. No one cares. I think

782
00:46:22.440 --> 00:46:25.079
people are more apt to say what they hate than

783
00:46:25.079 --> 00:46:30.360
to say what they don't. So there's that this particular

784
00:46:30.440 --> 00:46:33.039
movie upheld the rule of mine that always seems to

785
00:46:33.079 --> 00:46:36.360
happen when I like a character, they kill them off.

786
00:46:36.880 --> 00:46:39.920
So one of my favorite characters, the character I was

787
00:46:39.960 --> 00:46:42.760
most excited for, the character I really wanted to see,

788
00:46:43.400 --> 00:46:46.679
was mel the Delton. We haven't seen a Delton since

789
00:46:46.719 --> 00:46:50.039
Star Trek the Motion Picture as a major character. All

790
00:46:50.039 --> 00:46:52.920
of our fans pointed out the million vulcans of Deltons

791
00:46:52.960 --> 00:46:55.320
that we saw walking through the hallway sitting in a

792
00:46:55.440 --> 00:46:59.159
chair on Star Trek Picard, but those were just passing vulcans,

793
00:46:59.159 --> 00:47:02.559
not a main character that we actually were going to

794
00:47:02.679 --> 00:47:06.039
learn anything about. So I was really excited to see

795
00:47:06.079 --> 00:47:10.039
what Adelton, who didn't take an oath of celipacy in

796
00:47:10.119 --> 00:47:13.760
Starfleet like Ileiah did, how they would handle themselves as

797
00:47:13.760 --> 00:47:17.320
a spy, Like are they gonna throw sex hormones at people?

798
00:47:17.920 --> 00:47:21.880
How are they gonna do this? I never got the chance, guys,

799
00:47:22.000 --> 00:47:24.800
because they killed her off in the first big fight scene,

800
00:47:24.840 --> 00:47:28.199
and I was bummed. I was like, oh, my favorite character,

801
00:47:28.480 --> 00:47:33.159
she's dead. So that disappointed me. I hate it, and

802
00:47:33.199 --> 00:47:35.639
I don't use that word A lot of guys. So

803
00:47:36.280 --> 00:47:44.079
that freaky, dorky, dinky vulcan smiling dude annoyed the living

804
00:47:44.079 --> 00:47:46.199
crap out of me. I don't know why they came,

805
00:47:46.320 --> 00:47:49.840
and what kind of accent was that Irish an Irish vulcan.

806
00:47:49.880 --> 00:47:52.000
I don't even know what he was, but he annoyed me.

807
00:47:52.400 --> 00:47:55.559
Couldn't stand him. And then he had the little men

808
00:47:55.639 --> 00:47:58.760
in black alien living inside of his head. What the hell?

809
00:47:59.360 --> 00:48:01.960
They couldn't have come up with something better? That just

810
00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:07.559
annoyed me. Didn't like that at all. Yeah, that's enough

811
00:48:07.559 --> 00:48:12.159
of that. And the mechanical suit guy, how ridiculous. He

812
00:48:12.239 --> 00:48:14.880
reminded me of the Incredible Hulk, like in the Avengers

813
00:48:15.000 --> 00:48:17.639
Hulk Smash and he's running through walls and all this

814
00:48:17.760 --> 00:48:21.880
stupid ridiculous stuff when they could have beamed there all right,

815
00:48:22.400 --> 00:48:26.599
So that annoyed me quite a bit. Actually, I wasn't

816
00:48:26.679 --> 00:48:29.360
upset when they killed him at all. And when they

817
00:48:29.440 --> 00:48:33.480
killed the dorky vulcan guy, I was very happy until

818
00:48:33.480 --> 00:48:35.559
his wife showed up at the end with her million

819
00:48:35.599 --> 00:48:39.440
little egg lings or whatever they were. So having said that,

820
00:48:40.480 --> 00:48:43.199
I enjoyed the movie. I found it to be a

821
00:48:43.239 --> 00:48:49.679
fun action adventure and I really, really liked the cameloid guy.

822
00:48:49.840 --> 00:48:55.239
I thought he was really cool, and alec Alanik what

823
00:48:55.320 --> 00:48:58.159
was his name? The leader of the section three was

824
00:48:58.960 --> 00:48:59.519
al Okay.

825
00:48:59.559 --> 00:49:01.960
I think it was a lock.

826
00:49:02.480 --> 00:49:04.920
I got the impression that him and Georgio had this

827
00:49:04.960 --> 00:49:07.440
little pseudo thing going on, because there was one scene

828
00:49:07.480 --> 00:49:12.360
where they were holding hands, and I got the distinct feeling.

829
00:49:12.480 --> 00:49:15.360
I know that they said that they rewrote the script.

830
00:49:15.639 --> 00:49:17.559
I know that they said they turned it into a movie,

831
00:49:17.559 --> 00:49:20.199
but I gotta be honest with you. To me, this

832
00:49:20.280 --> 00:49:25.440
felt like a pilot episode for an ongoing series. It

833
00:49:25.480 --> 00:49:28.239
didn't feel like a one and done, cut and dry movie.

834
00:49:28.320 --> 00:49:31.840
It felt like there was gonna be more, and whoever

835
00:49:31.880 --> 00:49:34.760
rewrote it or re edited it just did a terrible

836
00:49:34.880 --> 00:49:37.159
job at making it feel like a one and done movie,

837
00:49:37.400 --> 00:49:40.280
because it really really felt like, here's an introduction of

838
00:49:40.320 --> 00:49:42.840
these characters. Here's the station, here's the world, here's where

839
00:49:42.840 --> 00:49:47.440
Georgio is, here's what's going on, and we're gonna go

840
00:49:47.599 --> 00:49:50.480
on with this again, which we know they won't. So

841
00:49:50.519 --> 00:49:53.840
I felt that it could have been rewritten a little

842
00:49:53.840 --> 00:49:55.519
bit better than it was to be more of a

843
00:49:55.559 --> 00:49:59.559
standalone movie. I jumped off my couch. However, when Jamie

844
00:49:59.639 --> 00:50:02.480
Lee Kerr showed up at the end, I was like,

845
00:50:02.519 --> 00:50:06.440
oh my god, Jamie Lee Curtis and I could clearly

846
00:50:06.440 --> 00:50:09.320
tell at that point that they intended for it to

847
00:50:09.360 --> 00:50:14.760
be more so Unfortunately. Yeah, I thought it was great

848
00:50:14.840 --> 00:50:20.119
if you guys watched Discovery before Carl aka the Guardian

849
00:50:20.159 --> 00:50:25.119
of Forever sends Georgio back back from Discovery time to

850
00:50:25.320 --> 00:50:28.440
hear He tests her and one of the big regrets

851
00:50:28.519 --> 00:50:31.960
that she has is with a character named Son, And

852
00:50:32.079 --> 00:50:36.280
unfortunately Discovery was canceled. We never got to learn about Son,

853
00:50:36.480 --> 00:50:40.199
hear about Son, know anything about Son, but now we do.

854
00:50:40.639 --> 00:50:42.639
We find out who he is, we find out her

855
00:50:42.719 --> 00:50:47.239
regret about what happened with him and murdering her family,

856
00:50:47.280 --> 00:50:49.559
and I thought that that added so much more to

857
00:50:49.599 --> 00:50:53.400
the background of that character and her redemption arc that

858
00:50:53.440 --> 00:50:56.519
we watched on Discovery. So I thought that actress that

859
00:50:56.599 --> 00:51:00.480
played young Georgio wiping out her family did a phenomena job,

860
00:51:01.000 --> 00:51:07.119
really good. Yeah, so that's what I think. I'm going

861
00:51:07.199 --> 00:51:09.920
to give this a six. I'm going to double what

862
00:51:10.039 --> 00:51:14.039
the fans gave it. And yeah, so that's my take

863
00:51:14.079 --> 00:51:16.000
on it. That's what I liked, That's what I didn't like,

864
00:51:16.599 --> 00:51:19.599
and we'll turn it over to Paul because Paul's next

865
00:51:19.639 --> 00:51:22.880
on my camera lineup, and we'll just go down the line.

866
00:51:22.960 --> 00:51:24.960
So Paul take it away.

867
00:51:26.079 --> 00:51:28.840
Thanks Uncle Jim. Sorry I missed the beginning of your

868
00:51:30.159 --> 00:51:33.400
review there. I had an issue come up to deal

869
00:51:33.480 --> 00:51:40.440
with there. So yeah, so let's talk about this section

870
00:51:40.599 --> 00:51:46.280
thirty one. I just want to say, friends, audience members

871
00:51:47.639 --> 00:51:50.679
here at the end of January two thousand and twenty five,

872
00:51:50.880 --> 00:51:53.719
you know, we're kind of moving into some really dark times.

873
00:51:53.800 --> 00:51:56.920
It feels like I would say a pretty you know,

874
00:51:58.320 --> 00:52:02.800
objective statement, right, and so the last thing I want

875
00:52:02.840 --> 00:52:06.159
to try to do is to convince anybody to turn

876
00:52:06.199 --> 00:52:10.320
their back on something that gives them joy. That's not

877
00:52:10.360 --> 00:52:12.440
what I'm about, right. It's just like, if you were

878
00:52:12.480 --> 00:52:15.199
able to watch this movie and enjoy it and have

879
00:52:15.280 --> 00:52:19.840
fun with it, awesome. I am thrilled for you. I

880
00:52:19.840 --> 00:52:20.719
think that's great.

881
00:52:21.239 --> 00:52:21.400
Right.

882
00:52:22.280 --> 00:52:26.320
Art is really subjective, right. Some people can look at

883
00:52:26.360 --> 00:52:28.840
like Garnica and they think it's a mess. They don't

884
00:52:28.880 --> 00:52:31.920
get it. Other people drop their knees and weep, right,

885
00:52:32.039 --> 00:52:36.440
So it's a very subjective thing. You know, we've been

886
00:52:36.480 --> 00:52:38.400
hearing all the build up to this movie for a while,

887
00:52:38.400 --> 00:52:42.960
and it's it's pretty clear this was a TV series

888
00:52:43.000 --> 00:52:45.079
that didn't get the green light to become a series

889
00:52:45.199 --> 00:52:48.079
and got you know, cannibalized into becoming you know, a

890
00:52:48.239 --> 00:52:51.840
movie if you will, right with still leaving the dangling

891
00:52:52.320 --> 00:52:56.559
open ended ending for potential just in case, you know,

892
00:52:57.039 --> 00:53:00.840
for some you know, long shot possibility that it was

893
00:53:00.920 --> 00:53:03.840
well received and they go, we changed our mind, maybe

894
00:53:03.880 --> 00:53:07.119
we will get right green light a season for it. Right,

895
00:53:07.199 --> 00:53:10.480
But I gotta be frank, I just thought this was just.

896
00:53:11.960 --> 00:53:12.400
Awful.

897
00:53:12.480 --> 00:53:14.280
I mean, it's one of the worst made for TV

898
00:53:14.400 --> 00:53:19.000
movies I've seen in the eternity. It has, other than

899
00:53:19.000 --> 00:53:22.519
the fact that there is a character in it that

900
00:53:22.559 --> 00:53:25.519
we know has previously been in Star Trek and we

901
00:53:25.599 --> 00:53:29.960
hear mentioned of Star Fleet, there's virtually nothing to do

902
00:53:30.039 --> 00:53:32.440
with Star Trek, and in terms of what the story

903
00:53:32.519 --> 00:53:35.960
is at all at all, I mean, it was like,

904
00:53:37.199 --> 00:53:40.920
you know, it just starts name checking. You know, I'm

905
00:53:40.960 --> 00:53:44.559
not even gonna dignify it by calling them homages. Really,

906
00:53:44.599 --> 00:53:47.280
it's just a ripping off every other movie that you

907
00:53:47.320 --> 00:53:51.079
could possibly imagine. Jim's mentioned quite a few of them.

908
00:53:51.440 --> 00:53:55.639
I gotta say, the opening scene, you know, the flashback

909
00:53:55.760 --> 00:54:00.079
prologue with young Georgio right, and her trial even know,

910
00:54:00.159 --> 00:54:02.960
it's like super super high. Have you heard of a

911
00:54:03.159 --> 00:54:05.519
thing called the Hunger Games. I mean it's you know,

912
00:54:05.599 --> 00:54:11.280
it's total hunger games, right, But that was actually fairly decent.

913
00:54:11.360 --> 00:54:12.800
I was like, wow, this is what she does to

914
00:54:12.840 --> 00:54:15.119
her family. It's pretty graphic and shocking. I was like, maw,

915
00:54:15.159 --> 00:54:17.719
this maybe a little darker than I was expecting. Okay,

916
00:54:17.880 --> 00:54:21.280
let's hang in there. Really about the only decent sequence

917
00:54:21.280 --> 00:54:23.639
in the picture, I would say, because after that it

918
00:54:23.840 --> 00:54:27.159
just went plummeting down and it was just like you

919
00:54:27.360 --> 00:54:32.360
just you're you're literally watching movies there cannibalizing. As the

920
00:54:32.400 --> 00:54:36.960
show continues, Guardians of the Galaxy Mission Impossible, Jim mentioned

921
00:54:37.000 --> 00:54:39.599
Men in Black with the little alien living in there. Right,

922
00:54:42.159 --> 00:54:44.960
it's just mind numbing. It was like it felt, you know,

923
00:54:45.119 --> 00:54:48.639
no offense to Craig Sweeney, who's you know, the screenwriter here.

924
00:54:48.679 --> 00:54:52.480
I'm sure that a lot happened to this script and

925
00:54:52.559 --> 00:54:57.039
this editing that we'll never know, right, But I just

926
00:54:57.360 --> 00:54:59.599
the way it comes across is comes across as an

927
00:54:59.599 --> 00:55:05.320
incredible adolescent, infantile story. Right. For me, one of the

928
00:55:05.360 --> 00:55:10.400
things I cannot abide in science fiction is when the

929
00:55:10.440 --> 00:55:15.639
writers decide to pepper all of the dialogue with very

930
00:55:15.880 --> 00:55:20.320
current idioms and figures of speech, right that are going

931
00:55:20.400 --> 00:55:23.360
to quickly become outdated, And it just takes you out

932
00:55:23.400 --> 00:55:25.199
of the movie. And for me, the moment when the

933
00:55:25.239 --> 00:55:29.719
record needle script you know, just scratch so loudly, I

934
00:55:29.800 --> 00:55:34.840
practically you know died was when Dotta Know is being

935
00:55:34.880 --> 00:55:41.280
interrogated and he says, does that come with fries? I mean,

936
00:55:41.400 --> 00:55:43.840
come on, guys, I mean you're taking us right back

937
00:55:43.840 --> 00:55:48.920
into the twentieth century. Here is ridiculous, right, and it

938
00:55:49.039 --> 00:55:55.639
is just full of you know, contemporary snark and meme

939
00:55:55.800 --> 00:55:58.599
speak all the way through the dialogue, right, don't get

940
00:55:58.599 --> 00:56:02.039
your prime directives in a bunch wh chaos is my

941
00:56:02.199 --> 00:56:08.280
friend with benefits. Rachel Garrett says, what evs? What evs?

942
00:56:08.719 --> 00:56:13.079
In a Star Trek movie? I love that for us.

943
00:56:13.199 --> 00:56:16.519
And there's your mama joke at the very end of

944
00:56:16.559 --> 00:56:18.760
the frickin thing, your mama joke?

945
00:56:18.880 --> 00:56:19.760
Are you kidding me?

946
00:56:20.400 --> 00:56:26.280
I mean it was just embarrassingly bad, embarrassingly bad for me, right,

947
00:56:26.320 --> 00:56:28.480
I mean, if other people like it, I think it's wonderful.

948
00:56:28.599 --> 00:56:30.760
I'm thrilled that you're able to. It is just not

949
00:56:30.880 --> 00:56:32.519
my cup of tea. I do not like this kind

950
00:56:32.559 --> 00:56:36.320
of storytelling. I don't like it's so I get this

951
00:56:36.400 --> 00:56:41.079
a lot from director Olatunde Osunsanmi, right, because I see

952
00:56:41.079 --> 00:56:44.760
this in a lot of his Discovery episodes, right, a

953
00:56:44.760 --> 00:56:49.360
lot of camp that passes for humor, A huge amount

954
00:56:49.440 --> 00:56:52.199
of camp, right, which I think is really kind of

955
00:56:52.239 --> 00:56:54.840
tanking the direction that Star Trek should be going. It's

956
00:56:54.920 --> 00:56:57.840
never it's really difficult to take it seriously. And we

957
00:56:57.920 --> 00:57:02.199
see the camp is just infesting Stranger in worlds now

958
00:57:02.239 --> 00:57:04.400
as well. I mean when they're walking down the hallway

959
00:57:04.440 --> 00:57:06.719
and they've all been turned into vulcans and it's funny.

960
00:57:07.639 --> 00:57:09.760
I mean, it's just too campy and over the top, man,

961
00:57:09.840 --> 00:57:12.320
I mean, what are you doing? What are you doing?

962
00:57:12.360 --> 00:57:14.159
It's just like you're making some show. But it sure

963
00:57:14.199 --> 00:57:17.000
isn't Star Trek. I don't know what it is. You know,

964
00:57:17.400 --> 00:57:21.039
in the at the end, you know, the whole thing

965
00:57:21.119 --> 00:57:27.119
with Georgio and adult Son, right, there's this massively long

966
00:57:27.159 --> 00:57:30.920
winded fight scene. It's just exactly like that endless kickfight

967
00:57:31.000 --> 00:57:34.000
scene we saw with Michael Burnham and Mall at the

968
00:57:34.280 --> 00:57:37.760
You know finale of Discoveries last season. It's the same

969
00:57:38.159 --> 00:57:41.840
fight scene. Basically, it just grudgingly goes on and that

970
00:57:42.159 --> 00:57:45.800
super long sledge chase thing with the worst cgi I

971
00:57:45.920 --> 00:57:48.159
have ever in my life scene. I mean, it was

972
00:57:48.239 --> 00:57:51.400
just terrible, terrible. I mean, the one bright spot I

973
00:57:51.800 --> 00:57:56.280
noticed a front of the show David Benjamin Tollinson, I

974
00:57:56.280 --> 00:57:58.880
guess was the Andrian patron of the nightclub there. That

975
00:57:59.000 --> 00:58:01.360
was kind of fun to see. It's just like you're

976
00:58:01.400 --> 00:58:04.320
still keeping your hand in Star Trek. That's great. But

977
00:58:05.320 --> 00:58:08.920
I like the cambaloid character Quasi. I thought that was

978
00:58:08.920 --> 00:58:12.480
a good actor. I thought the woman who played Rachel Garrett,

979
00:58:12.480 --> 00:58:16.239
I thought she did a pretty good job. I thought

980
00:58:16.320 --> 00:58:20.280
Mel was awful. Dotta Know was awful. Control had no

981
00:58:20.320 --> 00:58:22.639
purpose there than to say, look, I recognize who Jamie

982
00:58:22.679 --> 00:58:26.000
Lee Kurt has his but served no purpose at all

983
00:58:26.239 --> 00:58:30.119
than like you know, fan, you know recognition and I

984
00:58:30.159 --> 00:58:35.159
got Echo Jim the Lucky Charms Vulcan fuzz. I believe

985
00:58:35.159 --> 00:58:36.480
it was a character name. I mean, that is one

986
00:58:36.519 --> 00:58:41.440
of the most embarrassing moments in all of Star Trek history, right,

987
00:58:41.480 --> 00:58:43.320
I mean, it makes Star Trek five look like King

988
00:58:43.400 --> 00:58:46.880
Lear No offense to Star Trek five, but it was

989
00:58:46.920 --> 00:58:49.400
just embarrassing. So I had a really bad reaction to

990
00:58:49.440 --> 00:58:52.480
this movie. I thought it was incredibly infantile and insulting

991
00:58:52.679 --> 00:58:57.079
and just a real bad you know, if you're really

992
00:58:57.119 --> 00:58:59.480
looking to sort of like, you know, put the shovel

993
00:58:59.800 --> 00:59:03.559
on Star Trek at Paramount Plus and you know, kill it,

994
00:59:04.159 --> 00:59:06.159
you know, I really think, frankly, the best thing that

995
00:59:06.199 --> 00:59:09.599
could happen to Star Trek at this point is if they,

996
00:59:09.880 --> 00:59:13.840
you know, said bye bye, Alex Kurtzman, You're out right

997
00:59:13.960 --> 00:59:16.920
and have a whole new aesthetic and a different group

998
00:59:16.920 --> 00:59:19.440
of people take over. Because where it's going, I just

999
00:59:19.480 --> 00:59:27.760
I'm really the endless camp and correctness and just annoying

1000
00:59:28.599 --> 00:59:32.480
writing has got to stop. It's just really turning me off.

1001
00:59:32.519 --> 00:59:35.440
So for me, I feel like I'm being generous. I'm

1002
00:59:35.440 --> 00:59:38.320
gonna give it a three out of ten. Okay, I'm

1003
00:59:38.320 --> 00:59:40.360
going to give it a three. I hope I never

1004
00:59:40.440 --> 00:59:42.960
have to watch this picture again. It was an incredibly

1005
00:59:43.000 --> 00:59:48.519
depressing slog for me. I'm sorry. I'm sure if people

1006
00:59:48.519 --> 00:59:51.159
are able to enjoy it, that's fabulous. I'm so glad

1007
00:59:51.159 --> 00:59:53.159
for you. I wish I could. It's just not my thing.

1008
00:59:56.119 --> 00:59:58.760
All right, Eric, well, can you get to follow up?

1009
00:59:58.800 --> 01:00:02.199
Paul buddy take it away?

1010
01:00:02.559 --> 01:00:02.840
Cool?

1011
01:00:03.719 --> 01:00:06.119
Well, I guess I'll start out by saying it was

1012
01:00:06.159 --> 01:00:08.440
better than the five hours I wasted on Rebel Moon.

1013
01:00:11.880 --> 01:00:16.559
But yeah, okay, so Charles brought up a good thing,

1014
01:00:16.599 --> 01:00:18.519
and he'll probably talk more about this when it's his turn,

1015
01:00:18.559 --> 01:00:20.280
but he brought up a good thing in chat, which

1016
01:00:20.440 --> 01:00:24.440
was that he I believe and I kind of felt

1017
01:00:24.440 --> 01:00:27.079
this way too. It was like an action you know,

1018
01:00:27.199 --> 01:00:30.239
Star Trek move or an action movie with Star Trek elements,

1019
01:00:30.840 --> 01:00:31.920
but definitely.

1020
01:00:31.519 --> 01:00:33.199
Not a Starfleet movie.

1021
01:00:33.239 --> 01:00:36.599
And every Star Trek that we've had so far has

1022
01:00:36.639 --> 01:00:40.400
been kind of set against this backdrop of a greater

1023
01:00:40.719 --> 01:00:45.239
organization that's kind of there, you know, running the show

1024
01:00:45.280 --> 01:00:48.360
and keep keeping people's morals in check and that.

1025
01:00:48.400 --> 01:00:49.039
Sort of stuff.

1026
01:00:49.920 --> 01:00:53.360
Right off the bat, I not only did I not

1027
01:00:53.559 --> 01:00:56.559
believe that any of these people could possibly be except

1028
01:00:56.559 --> 01:00:59.400
for maybe a Locke could actually be part of a

1029
01:00:59.440 --> 01:01:03.440
secret organization like Section thirty one, I didn't. I just

1030
01:01:03.440 --> 01:01:07.360
didn't believe any of the other people as potential operatives.

1031
01:01:07.360 --> 01:01:09.400
Maybe the cameloid guy, like he probably was one of

1032
01:01:09.400 --> 01:01:16.280
the better characters. But but okay, so there's that, you

1033
01:01:16.320 --> 01:01:16.719
know they did.

1034
01:01:16.760 --> 01:01:17.119
I didn't.

1035
01:01:18.079 --> 01:01:20.760
I didn't believe that they were Section thirty one. The

1036
01:01:21.079 --> 01:01:26.599
idea though, that Mirror Giorgio had created this deadly thing

1037
01:01:26.760 --> 01:01:29.519
that somehow found its way back to the prime universe,

1038
01:01:29.599 --> 01:01:31.679
and that was the thing that they had to kind

1039
01:01:31.679 --> 01:01:34.400
of deal with. I liked that as a premise. I

1040
01:01:34.480 --> 01:01:37.039
kind of thought, Okay, here's a piece of her past

1041
01:01:37.119 --> 01:01:40.599
kind of coming back to haunt her. It's a mess

1042
01:01:40.800 --> 01:01:43.719
that she created that she has to clean up now,

1043
01:01:44.239 --> 01:01:47.440
So okay, I can get into that as a as

1044
01:01:47.440 --> 01:01:50.559
a storyline. You know, there's nothing really wrong with that.

1045
01:01:53.000 --> 01:01:55.840
The idea of kind of having Rachel Garrett there as

1046
01:01:55.960 --> 01:01:59.280
the conscience of Starfleet, like somebody to sort of watch

1047
01:01:59.320 --> 01:02:02.639
over what they were doing. Doesn't that kind of defeat

1048
01:02:02.679 --> 01:02:05.360
the purpose of Section thirty one. In fact, they actually

1049
01:02:05.400 --> 01:02:08.079
say at the beginning in their little uh I remember

1050
01:02:08.079 --> 01:02:10.719
what they called them, but it was like communication number one,

1051
01:02:10.760 --> 01:02:13.880
communication number two. So the first communication was something like,

1052
01:02:14.280 --> 01:02:17.760
you know, Starfleet can't go there, and so we're gonna

1053
01:02:17.760 --> 01:02:19.480
send Section thirty one. And so what do they do.

1054
01:02:19.480 --> 01:02:22.880
They send Section thirty one plus one start fleet members.

1055
01:02:22.920 --> 01:02:26.360
So they sort of like broke their own rule right

1056
01:02:26.400 --> 01:02:31.039
off the bat there. It was nice to find out

1057
01:02:31.239 --> 01:02:34.280
where they sent Georgio because up until now we didn't

1058
01:02:34.360 --> 01:02:37.639
know what time period she got sent back to. So

1059
01:02:37.760 --> 01:02:40.760
this one, I believe is set like about forty years

1060
01:02:40.760 --> 01:02:45.880
before next Generation, so that in that zone where we

1061
01:02:45.960 --> 01:02:50.239
haven't had a story before. So you know, I don't

1062
01:02:50.239 --> 01:02:52.360
think that you can really tell it's in there because

1063
01:02:52.360 --> 01:02:55.079
we don't have any ship designs that we recognize, or

1064
01:02:55.760 --> 01:02:58.840
you know, any technology that's any different from anything we've

1065
01:02:58.920 --> 01:03:01.039
ever seen. So I just kind of had to trust

1066
01:03:01.079 --> 01:03:02.880
that people would go look up the star date on

1067
01:03:02.920 --> 01:03:05.119
Google and figure out when this thing was set, or

1068
01:03:05.159 --> 01:03:07.719
they would read an article that would tell them when

1069
01:03:07.719 --> 01:03:13.119
the thing was set. So that, I mean interesting that

1070
01:03:13.159 --> 01:03:15.400
it was set then, but they didn't really do anything

1071
01:03:15.480 --> 01:03:18.320
with that fact. Didn't really tell me anymore about the

1072
01:03:18.360 --> 01:03:21.639
time period, which I guess is fine. It was, you know, obviously,

1073
01:03:21.679 --> 01:03:23.440
as you guys have already said, something that was kind

1074
01:03:23.440 --> 01:03:27.280
of cannibalized down to a two hour movie that was

1075
01:03:27.320 --> 01:03:31.239
originally designed to be something else. I have to say

1076
01:03:31.239 --> 01:03:34.519
I couldn't agree with Paul Moore on the things that

1077
01:03:34.599 --> 01:03:38.039
took me out of the story. I mean, so right

1078
01:03:38.039 --> 01:03:41.920
at the beginning, there's the there's the like planet where

1079
01:03:41.960 --> 01:03:44.880
young Georgio is and there's a windmill that's spinning and

1080
01:03:45.079 --> 01:03:49.320
the windmill is like covered with like fabric that just

1081
01:03:49.360 --> 01:03:54.119
has holes in, thinking to myself that windmill would literally

1082
01:03:54.280 --> 01:03:58.519
never spin with that's it, And what the reason that

1083
01:03:58.519 --> 01:04:00.280
that's important. I know that seems like maybe a little

1084
01:04:00.320 --> 01:04:03.320
taky tacky, but I think the reason that that's important

1085
01:04:03.360 --> 01:04:08.119
is that people who are really into Star Trek are

1086
01:04:08.400 --> 01:04:12.000
kind of used to this idea of believable trechnobabble.

1087
01:04:12.159 --> 01:04:12.320
Right.

1088
01:04:12.400 --> 01:04:15.280
We we have all convinced ourselves that yes, okay, warp

1089
01:04:15.360 --> 01:04:18.800
drive is fictitious, but we can come up with a

1090
01:04:18.800 --> 01:04:23.840
pseudo explanation for it, and so therefore it's like pseudo scientific.

1091
01:04:23.280 --> 01:04:28.880
So disbelief, right yeah, yeah, basic science fictionure suspension, just believe.

1092
01:04:28.920 --> 01:04:30.400
Yeah right. But you know, it's just like you're like

1093
01:04:30.440 --> 01:04:33.000
a windmill, like you're saying, You're like, oh, you just know,

1094
01:04:33.280 --> 01:04:35.880
some dude on the set just like there's a really

1095
01:04:36.000 --> 01:04:36.719
cool little.

1096
01:04:38.920 --> 01:04:42.079
So so the windmill was kind of like I was like, oh, geez,

1097
01:04:42.079 --> 01:04:43.559
all right, is this what it's going to be? Like

1098
01:04:44.880 --> 01:04:47.800
the language thing that Paul mentioned, you know, the At

1099
01:04:48.320 --> 01:04:50.840
one point the Cameloids says something like this is straight

1100
01:04:50.920 --> 01:04:54.280
up shit, man, and it's like, okay, there's all the

1101
01:04:54.280 --> 01:04:55.639
pop music that's sort of.

1102
01:04:57.159 --> 01:04:58.199
You know, goes throughout it.

1103
01:04:58.239 --> 01:05:00.880
I mean, I I love it when they give us

1104
01:05:00.960 --> 01:05:03.400
kind of instruments and stuff that we're that we know

1105
01:05:04.639 --> 01:05:06.719
exist out there, but they do it in a different way.

1106
01:05:06.760 --> 01:05:08.800
And to me it just sounded like, I don't know,

1107
01:05:08.840 --> 01:05:10.840
like a Taylor Swift album or something. All of the

1108
01:05:10.920 --> 01:05:13.679
music in this thing. So it didn't I was very

1109
01:05:13.760 --> 01:05:17.039
unimpressed with the musical choices, I have to say, very

1110
01:05:17.199 --> 01:05:18.039
very super puppy.

1111
01:05:18.119 --> 01:05:21.079
So the opera singer they had in her club was

1112
01:05:21.119 --> 01:05:23.320
like straight out of the Fifth Element right when.

1113
01:05:23.199 --> 01:05:25.000
They had there was a lot.

1114
01:05:24.880 --> 01:05:27.119
Of familiar elements, like you said, like a lot of

1115
01:05:27.119 --> 01:05:30.079
familiar elements from other movies and that that kind of stuff.

1116
01:05:31.239 --> 01:05:33.719
I kind of have to agree with the Vulcan, you know,

1117
01:05:33.760 --> 01:05:37.519
the microkin Vulcan. And when he's when he's laughing to

1118
01:05:37.599 --> 01:05:40.079
death in the club, I'm thinking to myself, why did

1119
01:05:40.079 --> 01:05:42.360
they make his character of I kept thinking he was

1120
01:05:42.360 --> 01:05:44.519
going to be like I'm actually a romulent or something,

1121
01:05:44.519 --> 01:05:48.119
you know, just some sort of explanation as to why

1122
01:05:48.199 --> 01:05:50.000
a vulcan would be sitting there. I mean, if you're

1123
01:05:50.000 --> 01:05:53.440
supposed to be a secret spot dressed as a vulcan

1124
01:05:53.880 --> 01:05:58.000
and you're laughing yourself out loud and you're not drunk

1125
01:05:58.039 --> 01:06:01.159
as hell, then something's zums off.

1126
01:06:01.199 --> 01:06:07.079
I don't know. Cover yeah, yeah, I don't know. Okay, So.

1127
01:06:08.800 --> 01:06:10.800
That's a bunch of stuff that I didn't like, with

1128
01:06:10.920 --> 01:06:12.559
maybe a little bit of stuff that I liked. So

1129
01:06:12.760 --> 01:06:14.320
let me let me talk to just a little bit

1130
01:06:14.360 --> 01:06:18.480
more about things that I did like. So the humor, Okay,

1131
01:06:18.599 --> 01:06:20.719
I get that some of the humor, most of the

1132
01:06:20.760 --> 01:06:25.000
humor is kind of juvenile and kind of throw away humor. However,

1133
01:06:25.719 --> 01:06:29.199
there were jokes that made me laugh, and I liked

1134
01:06:29.280 --> 01:06:31.239
that they were able to take this kind of dark,

1135
01:06:31.360 --> 01:06:33.920
dark thing like Paul was talking about and maybe add

1136
01:06:33.920 --> 01:06:37.960
these elements of ridiculousness to it and add these elements

1137
01:06:38.000 --> 01:06:40.480
of humor that did make me laugh out loud.

1138
01:06:41.480 --> 01:06:42.239
So I liked that.

1139
01:06:42.599 --> 01:06:44.880
I also liked in general that to me, it kind

1140
01:06:44.880 --> 01:06:48.440
of had a little bit of a a B movie

1141
01:06:48.559 --> 01:06:50.800
Ocean's Eleven sort of feel to it, you know, with

1142
01:06:50.920 --> 01:06:53.079
like the gang's got to get together and do a thing.

1143
01:06:53.320 --> 01:06:58.800
So so that that part of it was good. You know,

1144
01:06:59.239 --> 01:07:01.159
I think I need to make I would like to

1145
01:07:01.199 --> 01:07:03.440
watch it personally one more time to just kind of

1146
01:07:03.519 --> 01:07:09.800
double check my initial thoughts on it. The let me

1147
01:07:09.840 --> 01:07:11.960
talk just a little bit about the Alet character. So

1148
01:07:12.920 --> 01:07:14.920
to find out that he was an augment. I'm really

1149
01:07:14.960 --> 01:07:17.199
confused now about the augments and Star Trek tell you

1150
01:07:17.280 --> 01:07:19.280
the truth because Okay, so he says that he's three

1151
01:07:19.320 --> 01:07:22.559
hundred and fifty years old. They comes from the twentieth century.

1152
01:07:24.519 --> 01:07:28.840
Great when that line was originally used back in Space Seed,

1153
01:07:29.400 --> 01:07:32.400
the nineties were in the future, and so there was

1154
01:07:32.440 --> 01:07:36.280
this idea that the eugenics wars could still happen. All

1155
01:07:36.320 --> 01:07:38.000
of the other Star Trek that we've had so far

1156
01:07:38.519 --> 01:07:42.280
that has gone beyond that has kind of been a

1157
01:07:42.320 --> 01:07:46.840
little bit more ambiguous about when the unigenics wars actually

1158
01:07:46.880 --> 01:07:48.840
happened or if they happened, and so there was kind

1159
01:07:48.880 --> 01:07:51.039
of always this idea of like, Okay, they still could

1160
01:07:51.079 --> 01:07:54.119
have happened the way that they said, but like, you know,

1161
01:07:54.159 --> 01:07:56.599
it just didn't. They just don't talk about it so

1162
01:07:56.719 --> 01:07:59.960
much anymore. This guy straight up said the eugenics war

1163
01:08:00.199 --> 01:08:03.559
is I'm from the twentieth century. And we know that

1164
01:08:03.599 --> 01:08:06.280
we didn't have the Eugenics Wars. So what it did

1165
01:08:06.280 --> 01:08:07.960
for me was it took Star Trek out of the

1166
01:08:08.000 --> 01:08:11.880
realm of being our possible future, and it took it

1167
01:08:11.920 --> 01:08:16.479
into the realm of being a future that's out there

1168
01:08:16.520 --> 01:08:19.359
and probably is associated with some other timeline or something,

1169
01:08:19.800 --> 01:08:22.119
you know what I mean, It just like it didn't.

1170
01:08:22.319 --> 01:08:25.840
It's no longer my hopeful future. It's like a hopeful

1171
01:08:25.880 --> 01:08:29.479
future that's out there. And to me, that disconnected me

1172
01:08:29.520 --> 01:08:32.479
from Star Trek. It disconnected me personally from Star Trek.

1173
01:08:32.520 --> 01:08:35.359
I've always thought of Star Trek as okay, man, like,

1174
01:08:35.439 --> 01:08:37.359
once we have World War three, things are going to

1175
01:08:37.439 --> 01:08:42.119
get better, you know. And I don't know now that

1176
01:08:42.159 --> 01:08:44.600
I know the Eugenics Wars happened in this timeline in

1177
01:08:44.640 --> 01:08:47.359
the twentieth century, there's just no way for me to

1178
01:08:47.439 --> 01:08:49.399
resolve that in my head. And once again, that plays

1179
01:08:49.439 --> 01:08:53.319
with the intelligence and the trechnobabble that I think fans

1180
01:08:53.359 --> 01:08:56.039
who have been watching for fifty years have have come

1181
01:08:56.079 --> 01:09:02.520
to expect. So anyway that it has the discovery aesthetic,

1182
01:09:02.800 --> 01:09:06.319
which I like in general, it unfortunately also has the

1183
01:09:06.359 --> 01:09:09.159
discovery flame cannons all over the place, which I kind

1184
01:09:09.159 --> 01:09:15.039
of get tired of after a while. So but okay,

1185
01:09:16.199 --> 01:09:18.520
I know I keep going negative, but but you know,

1186
01:09:18.600 --> 01:09:22.000
there were some great character moments I thought in here

1187
01:09:22.039 --> 01:09:24.239
every once in a while, and as I said, the

1188
01:09:25.000 --> 01:09:29.479
kind of ridiculous humor lent this sense of lightness to

1189
01:09:29.640 --> 01:09:33.800
a very very dark story. I did think Georgio, or

1190
01:09:33.800 --> 01:09:36.760
excuse me, Michelle Yo, did a good job with what

1191
01:09:36.840 --> 01:09:40.000
she was given with the script here. She's a little

1192
01:09:40.279 --> 01:09:42.520
I've always found like mirror Georgio to be a little

1193
01:09:42.520 --> 01:09:45.640
bit of a mustache twirling villain kind of thing in general,

1194
01:09:45.680 --> 01:09:48.920
even when she was in Discovery. But she did a

1195
01:09:48.920 --> 01:09:50.760
good job. I mean, she acted the heck out of this.

1196
01:09:51.680 --> 01:09:54.159
The long fight scene didn't really bug me. I liked

1197
01:09:54.159 --> 01:09:57.760
it way better than the mall and whatever their face

1198
01:09:57.840 --> 01:10:00.920
is one that we talked about before. I thought it

1199
01:10:00.960 --> 01:10:04.159
was a better fight scene than that one personally. And

1200
01:10:04.279 --> 01:10:05.640
you know, even though it was kind of one of

1201
01:10:05.680 --> 01:10:08.640
those you know, as I said, wasn't upon a time

1202
01:10:08.640 --> 01:10:10.399
in Hollywood, I get that, you know.

1203
01:10:11.520 --> 01:10:13.520
I liked the Jamie Lee Curtis thing. When she popped in,

1204
01:10:13.600 --> 01:10:16.039
I was like, oh shit, that's Jamie Lee Curtis, And

1205
01:10:16.119 --> 01:10:17.239
I was I was into that.

1206
01:10:18.159 --> 01:10:21.520
So I was confused about who Control was in this

1207
01:10:21.600 --> 01:10:24.640
time period because I had to like start kind of Okay,

1208
01:10:24.720 --> 01:10:26.800
let me see, in the past, Control was an AI

1209
01:10:27.039 --> 01:10:29.800
and then they defeated it in the future and then so,

1210
01:10:29.960 --> 01:10:33.079
but she's Control, but she's a human and she looks

1211
01:10:33.159 --> 01:10:34.640
kind of like a borg. So there was just a

1212
01:10:34.680 --> 01:10:37.319
lot of kind of like mental gymnastics that I was

1213
01:10:37.359 --> 01:10:40.600
trying to play to kind of figure out who she

1214
01:10:40.960 --> 01:10:42.960
was and why she was a human and why she

1215
01:10:43.000 --> 01:10:48.560
looked like a boorg. So I don't know, I want

1216
01:10:48.560 --> 01:10:50.920
to watch it again. I did not think it was

1217
01:10:51.000 --> 01:10:54.079
the most awful movie of all time. I really, I

1218
01:10:54.119 --> 01:10:56.279
really didn't like it. I think in general, I had fun.

1219
01:10:56.319 --> 01:10:57.840
There was a ton of stuff that took me out

1220
01:10:57.840 --> 01:11:00.880
of the story, and ton of stuff that I would

1221
01:11:00.880 --> 01:11:05.199
say was pretty non tricky. But I don't know, I

1222
01:11:05.279 --> 01:11:09.680
generally didn't entirely hate it. So it's not going to

1223
01:11:09.760 --> 01:11:12.119
move up the list as like my favorite movie of

1224
01:11:12.159 --> 01:11:15.479
all time at all. But I'll give it a I'll

1225
01:11:15.479 --> 01:11:17.920
give it a five, like I'm gonna I'm gonna watch

1226
01:11:17.920 --> 01:11:22.399
it one more time. High budget B movie, Okay, I'll

1227
01:11:22.399 --> 01:11:24.880
go for it. It has some charm to it that

1228
01:11:24.960 --> 01:11:28.279
I can't deny for myself, so so I give it

1229
01:11:28.279 --> 01:11:28.640
a five.

1230
01:11:29.359 --> 01:11:31.920
Let me ask you a question, guys or Eric, I

1231
01:11:31.920 --> 01:11:37.600
don't care anybody. When when Giorgio and Alec were beating

1232
01:11:37.600 --> 01:11:41.840
the crap out of data, No, and he says, in

1233
01:11:41.880 --> 01:11:46.880
the mirror universe a ion storm opened, actually two ion

1234
01:11:46.920 --> 01:11:51.119
storms open, and they converged. Did you not think to yourself,

1235
01:11:51.359 --> 01:11:54.199
oh my god, the guy in the mask is going

1236
01:11:54.239 --> 01:11:57.560
to be Lorca. Did that not enter your mind?

1237
01:11:57.840 --> 01:12:00.640
It absolutely did, and then it wasn't.

1238
01:12:00.960 --> 01:12:04.439
And I'm like, I said, oh my god, if they

1239
01:12:04.479 --> 01:12:07.159
are bringing if this is how they bring back Lorca,

1240
01:12:07.279 --> 01:12:09.640
I'm going to shit a solid gold brick right here

1241
01:12:09.680 --> 01:12:11.680
in my living room at three o'clock in the morning.

1242
01:12:11.880 --> 01:12:17.279
That was pretty cool because that's exactly how Larca disappeared

1243
01:12:17.359 --> 01:12:20.760
on Discovery and it turned out not to be. But

1244
01:12:20.880 --> 01:12:22.760
for a second, did you not think it was going

1245
01:12:22.840 --> 01:12:23.319
to be Lorca?

1246
01:12:24.439 --> 01:12:24.800
I did?

1247
01:12:25.119 --> 01:12:29.319
I sorted, I, yeah, all right, David, well you're you're

1248
01:12:29.439 --> 01:12:31.159
up next, buddy, take it away to Mike.

1249
01:12:31.279 --> 01:12:33.640
Is yours all right?

1250
01:12:33.720 --> 01:12:38.359
Well? Yeah? Yeah. To answer that question, No, I did

1251
01:12:38.439 --> 01:12:40.479
not think it was gonna be Lorca because I knew

1252
01:12:40.560 --> 01:12:43.560
right away. It was very obvious it was gonna be Shan.

1253
01:12:44.199 --> 01:12:47.960
The moment that this change started playing, there's people watching

1254
01:12:48.119 --> 01:12:52.039
on this video. You just know that the backstory of

1255
01:12:52.079 --> 01:12:54.560
Shan was going to come back, and it was just going.

1256
01:12:54.479 --> 01:12:55.079
To be a.

1257
01:12:58.079 --> 01:13:02.319
Yeah anyways, Yeah, Louca did not pop in my mind

1258
01:13:02.359 --> 01:13:06.600
at all. So now, but yeah, so I'm gonna go

1259
01:13:06.640 --> 01:13:09.680
over the lake really quick and then I'll go over

1260
01:13:09.880 --> 01:13:15.439
the bad So I did like the beginning. I was

1261
01:13:15.439 --> 01:13:19.159
really intrigued. I actually enjoyed the beginning. I thought there

1262
01:13:19.199 --> 01:13:21.920
was a really interesting backstory and the fact that they

1263
01:13:21.960 --> 01:13:25.680
played it out in the town universe that they were

1264
01:13:25.840 --> 01:13:29.479
supposed to be, you know, backcabbing cut through pirates in

1265
01:13:29.520 --> 01:13:32.840
a way. To me, I was just like, Okay, this

1266
01:13:32.960 --> 01:13:35.800
has starting out pretty good. I thought it was gonna

1267
01:13:35.800 --> 01:13:44.640
be a really good movie, and it turns out, yeah.

1268
01:13:42.920 --> 01:13:43.640
Not so much.

1269
01:13:45.199 --> 01:13:48.600
The uh I think it started really falling down for

1270
01:13:48.720 --> 01:13:53.520
me once the that big fight scene in the bar,

1271
01:13:54.479 --> 01:13:57.439
right after Georgia foot got stuck in the wall for

1272
01:13:57.520 --> 01:14:02.039
some odd reason. They didn't explain that very well. But yeah,

1273
01:14:02.119 --> 01:14:04.239
from that point on, it was just like, oh, here

1274
01:14:04.279 --> 01:14:07.720
comes a cliff, and then yeah, I just started falling.

1275
01:14:08.359 --> 01:14:12.479
So to me, I did like a lot of the characters.

1276
01:14:12.800 --> 01:14:15.359
I'd like Jeordi two point zero. You know, I thought

1277
01:14:15.399 --> 01:14:20.600
it was really cool to come Lloyd. I really enjoyed

1278
01:14:22.720 --> 01:14:26.319
what's her face? The Dalton Lady. I thought she did

1279
01:14:26.319 --> 01:14:31.119
a pretty good job, especially that whole fight scene. When

1280
01:14:31.359 --> 01:14:33.800
she died, I was actually surprised. I was like, whoa,

1281
01:14:33.880 --> 01:14:36.359
they actually killed a character off. I thought everybody was

1282
01:14:36.399 --> 01:14:39.800
going to end very happily, but nope, So that that

1283
01:14:39.880 --> 01:14:42.359
kind of intrigued me a little bit more about the

1284
01:14:42.359 --> 01:14:47.760
show continuing. And then when she died, I was just like,

1285
01:14:48.520 --> 01:14:50.880
did you guys not see the look on her face

1286
01:14:50.920 --> 01:14:52.640
when she got Babe Rice.

1287
01:14:54.199 --> 01:14:56.479
David? That's because I liked the character. So that's the

1288
01:14:56.560 --> 01:14:58.960
number one rule of Star Trek. If Jim likes the character,

1289
01:14:59.399 --> 01:15:01.760
they got to kill. Okay, that's just the way.

1290
01:15:03.199 --> 01:15:05.960
She did such a good job with the facial expression

1291
01:15:06.039 --> 01:15:09.159
that she mentioned that she did on her face when

1292
01:15:09.239 --> 01:15:11.880
she got killed, because it's like she really wanted to

1293
01:15:11.880 --> 01:15:15.159
stay in that movie, but they killed her office. But yeah,

1294
01:15:15.199 --> 01:15:19.239
so I thought that was really cool. The other thing

1295
01:15:19.319 --> 01:15:24.279
I really liked was the whole mole situation. I actually

1296
01:15:24.479 --> 01:15:28.239
like mystery movies and trying to figure out who done

1297
01:15:28.239 --> 01:15:31.000
it kind of thing is kind of my thing. So

1298
01:15:31.920 --> 01:15:33.800
I was trying to figure out for the life of

1299
01:15:33.800 --> 01:15:35.920
me who the mole was. For the longest time. I

1300
01:15:35.960 --> 01:15:39.119
actually thought it was Jeff, that big huge holkn Bok

1301
01:15:39.159 --> 01:15:45.760
cyboard guy, and I was like, Okay, that's interesting. I

1302
01:15:46.319 --> 01:15:49.960
thought that would have been a better pick than the

1303
01:15:50.600 --> 01:15:53.760
micro nanoborg looking alien.

1304
01:15:54.399 --> 01:15:58.159
But yeah, I have.

1305
01:15:58.239 --> 01:16:01.039
To say that the first part of the movie actually

1306
01:16:01.039 --> 01:16:05.520
got me hurt. It started out great, ended really bad,

1307
01:16:05.840 --> 01:16:08.439
and it's just from that point on I have to

1308
01:16:08.479 --> 01:16:13.319
agree with Eric and Paul on here. Well, that the

1309
01:16:13.319 --> 01:16:17.279
the writing, the way that they were using today's language,

1310
01:16:17.279 --> 01:16:23.399
which like why did they do that? What? But other

1311
01:16:23.520 --> 01:16:27.359
than that, the whole fight scene in the bar with

1312
01:16:27.600 --> 01:16:32.920
Shan before he revealed himself, of course, uh that the

1313
01:16:34.439 --> 01:16:37.279
I actually kind of enjoyed that, And I actually thought

1314
01:16:37.720 --> 01:16:42.239
Michelle Yo, which actually pretty good at fighting, which is

1315
01:16:42.439 --> 01:16:45.159
in this movie the only good fight scene that she

1316
01:16:45.319 --> 01:16:47.880
was in. And I've cleaned why later once I get

1317
01:16:47.920 --> 01:16:55.000
to the bad part. But the idea that the okay,

1318
01:16:55.039 --> 01:16:57.960
you guys keep explaining, like you know, keep putting you

1319
01:16:58.000 --> 01:17:00.720
out there, that they keep reusing the over and over.

1320
01:17:00.800 --> 01:17:04.880
I mean, what film nowadays hasn't been doing it. There's

1321
01:17:05.039 --> 01:17:07.359
a lot of films out there that keep taking like

1322
01:17:07.520 --> 01:17:12.640
the good versus bad, you know, fighting out and hoping

1323
01:17:12.640 --> 01:17:15.479
that somebody survived at the end, which apparently from Mel

1324
01:17:15.600 --> 01:17:19.880
apparently did not make so. Uh, it's just that they

1325
01:17:19.960 --> 01:17:24.520
do that a lot with any movies really, so, but

1326
01:17:25.000 --> 01:17:28.600
getting ahead of myself here, So yeah, the other good

1327
01:17:28.640 --> 01:17:37.039
thing was that I'm trying to remember here, I can't

1328
01:17:37.079 --> 01:17:41.760
really think of any other moments to the bad. Yeah.

1329
01:17:42.079 --> 01:17:47.960
So my very worst scene throughout the entire movie was

1330
01:17:49.159 --> 01:17:53.399
that alien doll that excluded at the end killing out

1331
01:17:53.760 --> 01:17:58.840
that micro organism who apparently, I'm not surprised. I'm surprised

1332
01:17:58.880 --> 01:18:02.560
at the Borg have not assimulated to them yet. But

1333
01:18:04.920 --> 01:18:09.840
what the heck? They just said that that particular toy

1334
01:18:10.239 --> 01:18:14.600
was banned from the Federation because of the battery, and

1335
01:18:15.039 --> 01:18:21.439
yet somehow the toy was speaking English. What why was

1336
01:18:21.520 --> 01:18:24.199
he speaking in their own language when it comes from

1337
01:18:24.239 --> 01:18:28.279
an alien planet? Were apparently, I guess we're English speaking Aliens.

1338
01:18:28.399 --> 01:18:32.760
I like, okay, that's weird. But yeah, so that whole

1339
01:18:32.800 --> 01:18:34.920
thing kind of threw me off. That really took me

1340
01:18:34.920 --> 01:18:36.319
out of the story right there. I was just like,

1341
01:18:36.640 --> 01:18:41.960
what the heck why? But the other bad thing too,

1342
01:18:42.119 --> 01:18:49.880
is that the predictability of of course them being revealing

1343
01:18:50.000 --> 01:18:52.920
the bad guy as San saw or whatever you say it.

1344
01:18:54.920 --> 01:19:00.439
I thought he was a really poor villain. I actually

1345
01:19:00.479 --> 01:19:03.119
thought he did not. I mean, for the actor, I'm

1346
01:19:03.119 --> 01:19:07.039
sure he did as much as they could he could

1347
01:19:07.079 --> 01:19:12.600
do with what he was dealing with. But the whole

1348
01:19:13.000 --> 01:19:18.000
sequence when he was when Georgia was remembering the past

1349
01:19:18.119 --> 01:19:20.560
of like, you know, how did the bomb get here

1350
01:19:21.960 --> 01:19:28.279
when he had apparently I guess faked his death somehow, so.

1351
01:19:30.039 --> 01:19:32.600
He developed a resistance to ayacane powder is how he

1352
01:19:32.640 --> 01:19:32.920
did it?

1353
01:19:33.000 --> 01:19:39.039
Okay, yeah, no one checked polstage then what that whole

1354
01:19:39.079 --> 01:19:42.439
thing was just like okay, yeah he dad throw him

1355
01:19:42.439 --> 01:19:48.840
out to the air lock. Wait whatever, Ah, I don't know. Yeah,

1356
01:19:48.520 --> 01:19:52.199
the story definitely took a turn to the point where

1357
01:19:52.199 --> 01:19:54.039
it was just like getting worse and worse and it

1358
01:19:54.239 --> 01:19:57.920
went on. Oh that was a good thing. I couldn't mention.

1359
01:19:58.000 --> 01:20:01.439
That picture just reminded me liked of technology. I thought

1360
01:20:01.439 --> 01:20:06.000
it was really good. The vibrating sequence were it just

1361
01:20:06.199 --> 01:20:09.800
left physical reality. Although the worst part of that that

1362
01:20:09.920 --> 01:20:11.640
is widened that to go all the way to the floor,

1363
01:20:12.560 --> 01:20:17.359
and if if, if, if it was vibrating, why is

1364
01:20:17.359 --> 01:20:21.479
there gravity anyway? What counts a gravity? Is it just

1365
01:20:21.640 --> 01:20:26.840
the artificial plating? I guess I don't know. But to me,

1366
01:20:27.239 --> 01:20:30.239
I don't know, It's just I thought it was a

1367
01:20:30.279 --> 01:20:34.760
really cool idea. But yeah, So on the other turn

1368
01:20:35.039 --> 01:20:40.600
of bad things happening, there was just so many I

1369
01:20:40.600 --> 01:20:43.279
can't remember them all. I'm pretty sure child might come

1370
01:20:43.359 --> 01:20:46.439
up with some of them, but or maybe when we

1371
01:20:46.479 --> 01:20:51.600
talk about this again. But a lot of the scenarios

1372
01:20:51.640 --> 01:20:58.119
when it comes to movies that have to deal with

1373
01:20:58.159 --> 01:21:05.319
the light versus dark, this movie got pretty graphics. I

1374
01:21:05.359 --> 01:21:10.119
mean they ended up causing like horrific changes where Jojo

1375
01:21:10.359 --> 01:21:13.760
face was getting pinned to the floor with the shore

1376
01:21:13.880 --> 01:21:18.079
and I'm like, whoa, what it's just rated again? PG?

1377
01:21:18.239 --> 01:21:20.800
Thirteen or is it rated? Are? I can't remember? Did

1378
01:21:20.840 --> 01:21:21.359
anybody know?

1379
01:21:25.199 --> 01:21:25.239
No?

1380
01:21:25.399 --> 01:21:25.720
Okay?

1381
01:21:25.800 --> 01:21:29.680
Yeah? Uh? Anyway, So I thought that would pretty graphic,

1382
01:21:29.760 --> 01:21:31.600
especially for a younger audience. I mean, that can be

1383
01:21:31.600 --> 01:21:36.039
pretty traumatizing. I can imagine seeing something like that, And

1384
01:21:36.680 --> 01:21:39.800
to me, I don't know, this movie just got I

1385
01:21:40.239 --> 01:21:43.439
agreed with a lot of what everybody was saying as

1386
01:21:43.439 --> 01:21:48.359
far as like this happened? Why did this happen kind

1387
01:21:48.399 --> 01:21:53.560
of thing, especially like the whole con universe situation. I'm

1388
01:21:53.600 --> 01:21:58.319
not even sure myself explained to like why he had

1389
01:21:58.359 --> 01:22:05.039
to become a what do they call those superhuman people? Augment?

1390
01:22:05.079 --> 01:22:09.760
Here you go, Yeah, I don't know. Like I said,

1391
01:22:09.840 --> 01:22:13.560
the beginning was really good. It just fell straight off

1392
01:22:13.800 --> 01:22:16.560
from from there. Right after she kind of like got

1393
01:22:16.600 --> 01:22:19.279
to put it back in the wall, I was just like, okay,

1394
01:22:19.279 --> 01:22:24.319
here we go. But I'm not copying Paul whatsoever. And

1395
01:22:24.439 --> 01:22:27.199
I had mentioned this to my dad even he will

1396
01:22:27.239 --> 01:22:30.319
be my witness about what I had waited this movie

1397
01:22:30.520 --> 01:22:34.319
before Paul even said three. And I am going to

1398
01:22:34.399 --> 01:22:38.199
actually rate this three as well, to be honest. So

1399
01:22:38.239 --> 01:22:40.840
we're just like, may not be the best, may not

1400
01:22:40.880 --> 01:22:45.760
be the worst. Everybody had their opinion, but that to me,

1401
01:22:45.880 --> 01:22:48.840
it just didn't fit well. And I give it a three.

1402
01:22:48.920 --> 01:22:51.319
I would probably go three point one just for the

1403
01:22:51.439 --> 01:22:56.239
shake of section thirty one, but maybe three point oh five.

1404
01:22:56.279 --> 01:23:02.600
There we go about that. Yeah, yeah, okay.

1405
01:23:02.760 --> 01:23:05.880
Well, Charles, you get to bring up the caboose on somebody.

1406
01:23:06.560 --> 01:23:10.920
The mic is yours, okay, and I was taking notes

1407
01:23:11.680 --> 01:23:16.159
this whole time. Ah, somebody asked, I went and pulled

1408
01:23:16.239 --> 01:23:25.680
up Paramount Plus. This is rated PG thirteen. Oh, need

1409
01:23:25.720 --> 01:23:29.800
to make a comment in there? Hey, Ryan, how's it going?

1410
01:23:30.800 --> 01:23:36.680
Ryan gave this a five point five. Definitely a Monte

1411
01:23:36.800 --> 01:23:40.720
Cruz from all Over. Good movie. Maybe a little time

1412
01:23:40.840 --> 01:23:48.279
crunch with a movie timeline. Okay, let's go talk about

1413
01:23:48.279 --> 01:23:52.960
some comments in there. Eric's torn windmill. I think the

1414
01:23:53.000 --> 01:23:56.760
windmill kind of was representing the concept of it being

1415
01:23:56.800 --> 01:24:01.520
a poor community. I think it was more just the

1416
01:24:01.560 --> 01:24:05.000
reference that the community was poor and that's why it

1417
01:24:05.079 --> 01:24:08.039
was well torn. They didn't really have much money to

1418
01:24:09.239 --> 01:24:14.079
really have a good life. I thought the out of

1419
01:24:14.119 --> 01:24:19.840
phase was an interesting concept. I think the phase I'm

1420
01:24:19.880 --> 01:24:22.840
not sure how far they were out of phase, if

1421
01:24:22.840 --> 01:24:26.920
it was in seconds or within a few minutes, but

1422
01:24:27.000 --> 01:24:32.239
I liked that idea of using a phase device to

1423
01:24:32.359 --> 01:24:37.079
keep somebody out, keep the device away from somebody, could

1424
01:24:37.119 --> 01:24:41.920
you get them out of phase? It was interesting how

1425
01:24:42.640 --> 01:24:48.319
I wonder if the phase device might have come from

1426
01:24:48.399 --> 01:24:54.279
the Terran Empire, because Georgio a son both had it,

1427
01:24:55.520 --> 01:24:58.520
so I wondered that's another device that the Terran Empire.

1428
01:24:59.039 --> 01:25:03.520
Empire came up with, Yeah, and just to clarify the

1429
01:25:03.520 --> 01:25:06.279
phase thing, Charles so and they actually this is a

1430
01:25:06.279 --> 01:25:09.840
reference to I don't remember which episodes of previous Star Trek,

1431
01:25:09.880 --> 01:25:13.399
but basically the idea is that all matter in a

1432
01:25:13.640 --> 01:25:17.560
universe vibrates at a certain frequency, and so their little

1433
01:25:17.600 --> 01:25:20.840
devices were supposed to make their matter, like their own

1434
01:25:20.880 --> 01:25:24.880
body matter, vibrate at a different frequency, which is then

1435
01:25:24.960 --> 01:25:29.000
what gave them the ability to pass through things. It

1436
01:25:29.039 --> 01:25:32.279
doesn't explain the gravity thing that David was talking about.

1437
01:25:32.680 --> 01:25:36.279
It doesn't explain why we could still see them because

1438
01:25:36.359 --> 01:25:39.079
light is a particle, and so in other Star Trek

1439
01:25:39.159 --> 01:25:42.319
earlier on, when they vibrate at a different quantum signature,

1440
01:25:43.720 --> 01:25:46.239
you literally can't see them. There's literally like an entirely

1441
01:25:46.319 --> 01:25:50.760
different world that exists at that quantum signature coincident the

1442
01:25:51.680 --> 01:25:52.720
world that we're in.

1443
01:25:53.000 --> 01:25:56.159
Well, there was an episode of TNG where Jordie and

1444
01:25:56.359 --> 01:26:00.840
ensign Row phase shift and their visible and they don't

1445
01:26:00.920 --> 01:26:04.920
sink through the walls. They gravity still affects them. I

1446
01:26:04.920 --> 01:26:11.720
forgot I think anyways, it has on the president for

1447
01:26:11.800 --> 01:26:14.680
that on Star Trek before this, well.

1448
01:26:14.520 --> 01:26:17.760
You also had you also had the episode where Bricard

1449
01:26:17.920 --> 01:26:21.680
was the other Bricard was out of phase and we're

1450
01:26:21.680 --> 01:26:24.279
slowly moving into the same phase.

1451
01:26:25.199 --> 01:26:27.800
Yeah. I think that, like Scotty says, I cannot changed it.

1452
01:26:27.840 --> 01:26:31.239
As a physics, I think gravity is gravity regardless of

1453
01:26:31.319 --> 01:26:37.279
what phase you're in. Gravity doesn't phase out. So but

1454
01:26:37.479 --> 01:26:39.880
at any rate, continue Charles.

1455
01:26:40.319 --> 01:26:47.840
Okay, David's comment always speaking English, that toy was speaking English. No,

1456
01:26:47.960 --> 01:26:52.439
the toy was speaking Common because the Common is the

1457
01:26:52.520 --> 01:26:56.119
standard language within a chunk of the Federation.

1458
01:26:57.800 --> 01:26:59.720
I think it's called Federation Standard.

1459
01:27:00.119 --> 01:27:04.560
Federation Standard Common. But it's a language that we hear

1460
01:27:05.039 --> 01:27:10.479
quite often. Universal Translator helps us get around it, but

1461
01:27:10.880 --> 01:27:14.680
it's still a language heard quite often.

1462
01:27:16.239 --> 01:27:18.000
Which can be spoken in the vacuum of space.

1463
01:27:18.960 --> 01:27:19.199
Huh.

1464
01:27:19.800 --> 01:27:27.159
And our mecguy, I almost wonder. He reminded me of

1465
01:27:27.199 --> 01:27:31.920
board technology, and that was a little bit just odd.

1466
01:27:32.000 --> 01:27:35.119
I was like, Okay, we got somebody a secret agent,

1467
01:27:35.920 --> 01:27:42.319
and yet he's almost like this big controlled borg outfit.

1468
01:27:44.199 --> 01:27:50.319
A little strange. I think for that time period. The Vulcan,

1469
01:27:51.880 --> 01:27:57.720
from what I understand the Vulcan is that was a

1470
01:27:57.840 --> 01:28:04.960
robotic body and they just chose to create a vulcan.

1471
01:28:06.199 --> 01:28:11.800
Maybe not the greatest choice, but they did I do

1472
01:28:11.960 --> 01:28:14.199
rather agree with the crew. He did kind of drive

1473
01:28:14.279 --> 01:28:19.880
me a little crazy. Er mech drove me a little crazy.

1474
01:28:22.319 --> 01:28:29.079
They were characters that were a little bit much at times.

1475
01:28:29.399 --> 01:28:33.199
I think the fight scenes, some of the fight scenes

1476
01:28:33.239 --> 01:28:38.239
I think went a little long. Oh And the comment

1477
01:28:38.319 --> 01:28:41.399
to was, oh, well, we had to take a series

1478
01:28:41.439 --> 01:28:45.199
and chop it to a movie. Well, the reason we

1479
01:28:45.239 --> 01:28:49.920
had to take a written series and push it towards

1480
01:28:49.960 --> 01:29:01.159
a movie is the Paramount is unable to keep Michelle

1481
01:29:01.239 --> 01:29:09.279
Yo for several months to do a series. She's too

1482
01:29:09.359 --> 01:29:13.640
much in demand, and this was her way of being

1483
01:29:13.680 --> 01:29:19.119
able to still being in another episode and getting a

1484
01:29:19.279 --> 01:29:26.039
chance to still doing more Star Trek. And I think

1485
01:29:26.119 --> 01:29:29.199
with the Michelle Yo name, I think that's gonna help

1486
01:29:29.279 --> 01:29:35.960
this series get a lot of attention. I've got a friend,

1487
01:29:36.039 --> 01:29:38.119
I'm not sure how big of a Star Trek fan

1488
01:29:38.239 --> 01:29:42.279
she is, but she definitely wants to see the movie.

1489
01:29:43.199 --> 01:29:46.119
So I'm curious how this movie is gonna do. It

1490
01:29:46.199 --> 01:29:50.000
may get rating from Star Trek fans, and I think

1491
01:29:50.039 --> 01:29:56.880
it may get a rating from everyone else. And I'm

1492
01:29:56.920 --> 01:29:59.880
curious how Paramount's going to react to how this series,

1493
01:30:00.479 --> 01:30:06.199
how this movie did. I think a lot of stuff

1494
01:30:06.319 --> 01:30:07.319
was already mentioned.

1495
01:30:09.600 --> 01:30:10.560
Our friend.

1496
01:30:11.720 --> 01:30:15.479
Nate asked me what I rated this movie, and I

1497
01:30:15.560 --> 01:30:17.840
kind of hemmed a halt at giving him a rating.

1498
01:30:19.159 --> 01:30:21.279
And I think I'm gonna bring my rating down just

1499
01:30:21.319 --> 01:30:25.159
a little bit, but not a lot. If he told

1500
01:30:25.239 --> 01:30:29.279
him I was gonna give this one eight, I was

1501
01:30:29.319 --> 01:30:33.479
debanding on a seven, but I think I'll push an

1502
01:30:33.600 --> 01:30:37.800
e er. Sorry, Paul, and pushed to a seven point five.

1503
01:30:39.520 --> 01:30:44.840
I like the movie. I enjoyed myself. Hey, I think

1504
01:30:44.880 --> 01:30:51.079
we got a direction, we got some discussion eugenics. Okay,

1505
01:30:51.520 --> 01:30:57.920
let's I'd be love to know some some of his backstory. Yes,

1506
01:30:58.000 --> 01:31:01.199
he was in Kryal for a while. Okay, what did happen?

1507
01:31:03.039 --> 01:31:06.399
Because it's a big story that I would love to

1508
01:31:06.439 --> 01:31:18.520
know more about. Oh the other notes, some may made

1509
01:31:18.560 --> 01:31:22.640
a comment and somewhere that I read and I thought

1510
01:31:22.640 --> 01:31:26.319
that was interesting. I started to read about it was

1511
01:31:28.239 --> 01:31:35.000
the uh sur runs where we actually see one of

1512
01:31:35.039 --> 01:31:39.800
them in this episode that is alive. Okay, then we

1513
01:31:40.039 --> 01:31:44.680
never found out what happened to them. We expected them

1514
01:31:44.760 --> 01:31:48.239
to die off with the last two. They'd say, the

1515
01:31:48.319 --> 01:31:51.640
last two living and let us be your last battlefield

1516
01:31:53.319 --> 01:31:58.239
if we have one. Here makes me wonder if somehow

1517
01:31:59.199 --> 01:32:05.840
they were able to to bring back the society. But

1518
01:32:05.880 --> 01:32:08.439
it looks like we may have some of them back,

1519
01:32:08.560 --> 01:32:10.439
so I'd be curious of what happened there.

1520
01:32:11.560 --> 01:32:14.239
Can somebody remind me how that episode ends?

1521
01:32:14.279 --> 01:32:15.680
Like do they do? They make it?

1522
01:32:15.680 --> 01:32:19.479
They beam the two of them down the planet and

1523
01:32:19.520 --> 01:32:21.680
they fight and the Enterprise flies away.

1524
01:32:22.520 --> 01:32:27.119
Okay, so we don't know, But I.

1525
01:32:27.039 --> 01:32:29.880
Don't think that they were the last of each of

1526
01:32:29.920 --> 01:32:32.760
their respective races from Sharon. I don't think that that

1527
01:32:32.960 --> 01:32:34.880
was spoken well, they were the last ones.

1528
01:32:35.039 --> 01:32:38.000
They were sort of the last ones of that planet.

1529
01:32:38.359 --> 01:32:42.239
Maybe others of their society, maybe others that's exciting existed

1530
01:32:42.399 --> 01:32:43.479
away from the planet.

1531
01:32:44.680 --> 01:32:47.239
I don't think that's how it went, but I could

1532
01:32:47.319 --> 01:32:49.239
be mistaken. But yeah, I don't think they were the

1533
01:32:49.319 --> 01:32:52.039
last two of their of their races. I don't think so,

1534
01:32:52.279 --> 01:32:55.119
but I could be wrong, I think. But to look

1535
01:32:55.119 --> 01:32:58.000
for there to be common sense for why they decided

1536
01:32:58.039 --> 01:33:01.640
to show somebody from Sharon and this there's no reasoning

1537
01:33:01.680 --> 01:33:03.359
behind it. It's like, I think, let's have one of

1538
01:33:03.399 --> 01:33:05.720
those back and white guys because everyone who recognize that

1539
01:33:05.760 --> 01:33:09.119
and it's cool, right Oda, I mean, there's no more

1540
01:33:09.159 --> 01:33:11.960
reasoning than that. There's no backstory. It's just they're making

1541
01:33:12.039 --> 01:33:15.039
just arbitrary decisions. Because what are what am I pulling

1542
01:33:15.079 --> 01:33:17.880
out of the courtboard today? That's shiny and I will

1543
01:33:18.000 --> 01:33:20.840
entertain myself with. I mean, this is not a well

1544
01:33:20.840 --> 01:33:21.479
written show.

1545
01:33:22.560 --> 01:33:25.319
I think the renay showed that race wood because they

1546
01:33:25.359 --> 01:33:28.760
have planned on bringing that race back for future shows.

1547
01:33:29.520 --> 01:33:30.800
That would be my guess.

1548
01:33:31.119 --> 01:33:33.640
Well, I forgot to mention I thought the garbage scou

1549
01:33:33.800 --> 01:33:38.560
thing was funny when all they had was wash. All

1550
01:33:38.600 --> 01:33:43.239
we have is garbage and uh, tractor beams to throw garbage.

1551
01:33:43.279 --> 01:33:46.399
I thought, Okay, that's pretty cool. I never thought about

1552
01:33:46.560 --> 01:33:48.960
how they collect garbage in the world of Star Trek.

1553
01:33:49.079 --> 01:33:52.239
Well now we know they have giant garbage scowls that

1554
01:33:52.319 --> 01:33:55.479
have tractor beams that collect the garbage and they hurl

1555
01:33:55.520 --> 01:33:58.840
it into radioactive voids just to disintegrate.

1556
01:33:59.439 --> 01:34:01.640
You know that did that based off of the design

1557
01:34:01.720 --> 01:34:02.960
of the Maylon vessels.

1558
01:34:03.960 --> 01:34:04.720
It's possible.

1559
01:34:05.920 --> 01:34:08.680
It reminded me a little bit of the Millennium Falcon,

1560
01:34:08.840 --> 01:34:11.159
just like when you it's got that asymmetry too. I mean,

1561
01:34:11.319 --> 01:34:13.680
it wasn't round like just that it had that sort

1562
01:34:13.680 --> 01:34:17.319
of asymmetry to it. And was was a hunk of junk.

1563
01:34:18.479 --> 01:34:23.000
Yeah, literally, very Guidian Galaxy, you know very much.

1564
01:34:23.119 --> 01:34:26.920
What's the overall fan what's the overall score from us

1565
01:34:27.000 --> 01:34:27.920
versus the fans?

1566
01:34:29.079 --> 01:34:33.520
Well, with the fans giving a three point one, I

1567
01:34:33.560 --> 01:34:37.880
think the host liked it just a little better, giving

1568
01:34:37.920 --> 01:34:38.880
it a five.

1569
01:34:40.319 --> 01:34:40.600
Five.

1570
01:34:41.439 --> 01:34:44.359
All right, cool, Well, before we go on, I forgot

1571
01:34:44.359 --> 01:34:46.880
to mention about the fight Shane in the last part

1572
01:34:46.920 --> 01:34:50.399
of the movie. Did anyone else think of that whole

1573
01:34:50.479 --> 01:34:53.000
scene when she would trying to get that blade off

1574
01:34:53.039 --> 01:34:56.239
of her face. It's just somehow gets into the neck

1575
01:34:56.359 --> 01:35:00.079
of Sean. What would that?

1576
01:35:00.079 --> 01:35:03.079
That was her reverse Kung Fu wax on wax off

1577
01:35:03.239 --> 01:35:05.239
move that mister Miyagi taught her.

1578
01:35:07.319 --> 01:35:09.199
You know, I just thought it was kind of weirdness.

1579
01:35:09.279 --> 01:35:12.239
Just it just happened so quick. It was like, Okay,

1580
01:35:12.560 --> 01:35:15.159
it didn't really clain that. But not to disrespect anybody,

1581
01:35:15.199 --> 01:35:18.359
I didn't, just maybe just I wanted like it.

1582
01:35:18.399 --> 01:35:23.680
But all right, so there you have it, guys, And uh,

1583
01:35:24.039 --> 01:35:26.039
we have to move on here really quick to our

1584
01:35:26.159 --> 01:35:43.680
Star Trek birthdays.

1585
01:35:45.159 --> 01:35:46.600
That was not a cleon song.

1586
01:35:47.319 --> 01:35:49.239
All right. We like to start off our Star Trek

1587
01:35:49.279 --> 01:35:52.239
Birthdays every week by remembering those members of our Star

1588
01:35:52.279 --> 01:35:56.159
Trek family who, sadly enough, are no longer with us,

1589
01:35:56.239 --> 01:35:57.920
and for that we turned to Eric.

1590
01:35:58.920 --> 01:35:59.399
Yeah Jim.

1591
01:35:59.399 --> 01:36:02.720
This week our remembrance goes out to actor Gregory Sierra,

1592
01:36:02.880 --> 01:36:06.319
the American actor who played n Tech in the DS

1593
01:36:06.439 --> 01:36:11.039
nine third season episode Second Skin. He also played Detective

1594
01:36:11.079 --> 01:36:15.319
Sergeant Channo Amenguale on Barney Miller back in the seventies.

1595
01:36:16.439 --> 01:36:19.119
Also known for his recurring role on the comedy series

1596
01:36:19.199 --> 01:36:22.800
Stanford and Son back in the days. A few movies

1597
01:36:22.840 --> 01:36:25.920
to his credit here and there, probably the most notable

1598
01:36:25.960 --> 01:36:30.079
being The Towering Inferno from nineteen seventy four. He also

1599
01:36:30.119 --> 01:36:34.119
appeared in two spoofs from director Jim Abrams, Hot Shots

1600
01:36:34.159 --> 01:36:37.640
Part Due in nineteen ninety three and Jane Austen's Mafia

1601
01:36:37.680 --> 01:36:41.520
in nineteen ninety eight. Gregory Sierra lost just back in

1602
01:36:41.600 --> 01:36:43.720
twenty twenty one at the age of eighty three years old.

1603
01:36:43.760 --> 01:36:47.479
Happy birthday to him. Happy Birthday as well to Arnold Moss,

1604
01:36:47.880 --> 01:36:53.600
the actor who played Anton Caradin aka Codos, the executioner

1605
01:36:53.680 --> 01:36:56.800
in the TOS first season episode The Conscience of the King.

1606
01:36:58.159 --> 01:37:00.960
Got a lot of backstory on that character in the

1607
01:37:01.079 --> 01:37:04.279
Drastic Measures book from dayton Ward that we reviewed a

1608
01:37:04.319 --> 01:37:06.960
few years ago when it first came out. Arnold Moss

1609
01:37:07.000 --> 01:37:10.399
first began his career back in Broadway in the nineteen thirties,

1610
01:37:10.760 --> 01:37:14.159
and he kept doing Broadway in musicals and work of

1611
01:37:14.159 --> 01:37:17.319
that sort up through the fifties and even into the seventies.

1612
01:37:18.880 --> 01:37:21.319
He kind of got into movies in the early seventies,

1613
01:37:21.359 --> 01:37:23.600
but really was known more as a character actor on

1614
01:37:23.680 --> 01:37:26.760
several television series back in the sixties and seventies, all

1615
01:37:26.760 --> 01:37:30.039
the ones that you've heard of Rifleman, Man from Uncle Time, Tunnel, etc.

1616
01:37:30.840 --> 01:37:35.399
So Arnold Moss lost back in nineteen eighty nine. Happy

1617
01:37:35.439 --> 01:37:39.039
Birthday to him. Happy birthday as well to Jean Paul Vignon,

1618
01:37:39.680 --> 01:37:43.479
the actor who portrayed Edward in The Next Generation first

1619
01:37:43.479 --> 01:37:48.079
season episode where We'll Always Have Paris. Jean Paul was

1620
01:37:48.079 --> 01:37:52.039
born in Ethiopia, actually of a French father and an

1621
01:37:52.079 --> 01:37:55.560
Italian mother, and made a ton of records as a

1622
01:37:55.600 --> 01:37:57.760
singer back in the day. He even went up to

1623
01:37:57.840 --> 01:38:00.279
number thirty two on the Top forties chart back in

1624
01:38:00.359 --> 01:38:03.880
nineteen sixty four with the song Don't Cry, Little Girl.

1625
01:38:04.319 --> 01:38:07.000
As an actor, he starred in two films in France

1626
01:38:07.479 --> 01:38:10.520
and in Hollywood. He appeared in several television series like

1627
01:38:10.560 --> 01:38:14.840
The Rockford Files, La Law Murder. She wrote Colombo and

1628
01:38:14.880 --> 01:38:19.560
The Gilmour Girls. So Jean Paul Vignon just lost last

1629
01:38:19.680 --> 01:38:23.279
March twenty twenty four at age eighty nine years old.

1630
01:38:23.359 --> 01:38:26.600
Happy birthday to him, and last but not least, on

1631
01:38:26.640 --> 01:38:30.439
our remembrance list, this week we have David Opatoshu. David

1632
01:38:30.479 --> 01:38:35.920
Opatoshue born David Opatowski was the actor who played Anon

1633
01:38:36.159 --> 01:38:40.159
seven in the TOS first season episode A Taste of Armageddon.

1634
01:38:40.319 --> 01:38:44.239
What a Great Episode. In nineteen sixty four, Opatashue was

1635
01:38:44.279 --> 01:38:47.479
considered by Gene Roddenberry the role of doctor Phil Boyce

1636
01:38:47.840 --> 01:38:51.399
for The Cage. He was actually cast for an unspecific

1637
01:38:51.520 --> 01:38:55.239
role in Star Trek The Next Generation, but fell ill

1638
01:38:55.560 --> 01:38:58.800
and the part was recast. He enjoyed a career that

1639
01:38:58.840 --> 01:39:01.880
spanned over five decade, aids almost one hundred television guest

1640
01:39:01.880 --> 01:39:07.359
appearances and forty five movie and television roles. He knew

1641
01:39:07.399 --> 01:39:12.199
Yiddish and often played Jewish or Arabic characters, and prior

1642
01:39:12.239 --> 01:39:15.520
to his track appearance, he co starred with Scotti himself

1643
01:39:15.640 --> 01:39:19.119
James Dewin in an episode of the Twilight Zone entitled

1644
01:39:19.640 --> 01:39:24.239
Valley of the Shadow. David Opatashu lost back in nineteen

1645
01:39:24.359 --> 01:39:28.640
ninety six at seventy eight years old. Happy Birthday to him,

1646
01:39:28.920 --> 01:39:31.039
and that does it for our remembrances this week, guys.

1647
01:39:31.039 --> 01:39:34.520
So I'm going to pass my flaming birthday candle over

1648
01:39:34.520 --> 01:39:35.560
to Charles.

1649
01:39:36.119 --> 01:39:39.199
Thank you, Eric. Let's say when I wore my Happy

1650
01:39:39.239 --> 01:39:43.359
Birthday to Richard Poe, actor known for the Trail of

1651
01:39:43.560 --> 01:39:48.800
Evk in Star Trek Next Generation, Deep Space nine and

1652
01:39:48.960 --> 01:39:54.760
Star Trek Voyager. Happy Birthday, Catherine Lee Scott, actress had

1653
01:39:54.800 --> 01:40:00.479
played Narita in Star Trek Nexturation thursdayson episode Who Watches

1654
01:40:00.600 --> 01:40:08.479
the Watchers, one of my favorite The Next Generation episodes.

1655
01:40:09.640 --> 01:40:17.399
Happy Birthday Tracy Mindor, actress who played Torah Zaiyelle in

1656
01:40:17.479 --> 01:40:21.920
Star Trek Deep States nine's four season episode for the Cause,

1657
01:40:23.800 --> 01:40:27.640
Have Your Birthday to Susan Thompson, actress who played the

1658
01:40:27.720 --> 01:40:33.039
Boy Queen and Star Trek Voyagers episodes Dark Frontier, Uni

1659
01:40:33.119 --> 01:40:38.800
Make Zero and You Make Zero Part two last on

1660
01:40:38.840 --> 01:40:42.439
my list, Happy Birthday or The Comings. It's an actor

1661
01:40:42.520 --> 01:40:46.119
who played Lieutenant Christopher in the fourth and fifth seasons

1662
01:40:46.159 --> 01:40:50.920
of Discovery, and I'm gonna pass a fleming birthday candle

1663
01:40:50.960 --> 01:40:51.880
over to Paul.

1664
01:40:53.119 --> 01:40:56.239
Thank you, Charles, appreciate that. So let's get rolling here

1665
01:40:56.319 --> 01:40:59.880
for the month of January. Mia Kirshner is having a birthday.

1666
01:41:00.119 --> 01:41:03.760
Kershner is, of course, Canadian actress who played Amanda Grayson

1667
01:41:04.159 --> 01:41:08.119
in the first and second seasons of Startreek Discovery and

1668
01:41:08.159 --> 01:41:10.960
also on an episode of Strange New Worlds. Funny as

1669
01:41:11.000 --> 01:41:13.439
that may be, he's a little crossover action there for

1670
01:41:13.479 --> 01:41:17.760
the character. Happy birthdare To Saya Batton, actress and dancer,

1671
01:41:17.920 --> 01:41:21.159
played tore Zayal in the Deep Space nine fourth season

1672
01:41:21.199 --> 01:41:26.840
episodes Indiscretion and Returned to Grace. Also played Irena in

1673
01:41:27.000 --> 01:41:32.840
the Voyager seventh season episode Drive and Navar in the

1674
01:41:32.960 --> 01:41:38.239
Enterprise fourth season episode Bound, So all over the franchise there,

1675
01:41:38.720 --> 01:41:43.319
Saia Baton, good work for you and wonderful, wonderful to

1676
01:41:43.359 --> 01:41:47.079
be able to celebrate this individual. Very happy birthday, indeed,

1677
01:41:47.279 --> 01:41:49.520
now at the ripe old age of eighty four, to

1678
01:41:49.640 --> 01:41:54.399
the still healthy and haled James Cromwell, veteran veteran actor

1679
01:41:54.479 --> 01:41:58.359
who made several appearances throughout Star Trek and of course

1680
01:41:58.840 --> 01:42:02.079
best known to us for playing the motion picture iteration

1681
01:42:02.720 --> 01:42:08.279
of zephyreim Cochrane in First Contact. Okay, but if you

1682
01:42:08.399 --> 01:42:12.760
want to dive deep into James Cromwell's career, of course,

1683
01:42:12.800 --> 01:42:16.279
there's the George Miller picture Babe, that I think will

1684
01:42:16.319 --> 01:42:19.279
always endear hand with folks. He was in The Green

1685
01:42:19.399 --> 01:42:22.119
Mile as the Warden, and if you really want to

1686
01:42:22.159 --> 01:42:25.600
see him turn on the fireworks there and play a

1687
01:42:25.640 --> 01:42:29.359
real bad guy. Check out La Confidential. If you've not

1688
01:42:29.479 --> 01:42:32.000
seen that. That's one of the best cop movies of

1689
01:42:32.000 --> 01:42:36.760
all time. La Confidential is great and Cromwell is phenomenal

1690
01:42:36.880 --> 01:42:40.560
in it. We love him. He's awesome. Happy birthday, mister Cromwell.

1691
01:42:41.479 --> 01:42:45.640
Happy birthday to Darryl Henriquez, actor played Portal sixty three

1692
01:42:45.880 --> 01:42:48.439
in Star Trek Next Generation first season episode of The

1693
01:42:48.520 --> 01:42:53.840
Last out Post and Ambassador Nankless in The Star Trek

1694
01:42:54.000 --> 01:42:57.640
six The Undiscovered Country. I have no idea who Ambassador

1695
01:42:57.680 --> 01:42:59.920
in Nancles was. Some will have to google that one

1696
01:43:00.520 --> 01:43:03.760
for me. There And finally, and this one sounds very familiar.

1697
01:43:03.760 --> 01:43:05.520
I feel like I did this a week or zwo ago.

1698
01:43:05.640 --> 01:43:07.520
I don't know what's going on there, but a very

1699
01:43:07.560 --> 01:43:12.000
happy birthda indeed to Gillian Wigman is the American comic

1700
01:43:12.079 --> 01:43:16.840
actress who voices Doctor ta Anna on Lower Decks, who

1701
01:43:16.840 --> 01:43:19.720
we love on that show. And I'd be ready, frankly

1702
01:43:19.760 --> 01:43:22.960
for a whole Doctor to Anna series. I'd be totally

1703
01:43:23.000 --> 01:43:25.279
down with that. I think that would be great. But

1704
01:43:25.319 --> 01:43:29.119
that's what I got. And let's spin the calendar page

1705
01:43:29.199 --> 01:43:30.560
over to Uncle Jim.

1706
01:43:31.159 --> 01:43:33.960
Why thank you so much, Paul. I want to say

1707
01:43:34.000 --> 01:43:38.319
Happy birthday to deep Roy. Deep Roy is an actor

1708
01:43:38.359 --> 01:43:41.479
and stuntman who played the role of Keisner in Star

1709
01:43:41.520 --> 01:43:44.880
Trek two thousand and nine, Star Trek Into Darkness, and

1710
01:43:44.960 --> 01:43:49.000
Star Trek Beyond. But you probably didn't know is he

1711
01:43:49.159 --> 01:43:53.159
also played Yoda and the Empire Strikes Back and Return

1712
01:43:53.239 --> 01:43:57.359
of the Jedi. When Yoda was walking, he was actually

1713
01:43:57.439 --> 01:44:01.760
inside the Yoda costume when Yoda was He also played

1714
01:44:01.760 --> 01:44:05.640
one hundred and sixty five Uba Lubas and Charlie in

1715
01:44:05.680 --> 01:44:10.920
The Chocolate Factory and Surprise Surprise. He started one of

1716
01:44:10.960 --> 01:44:17.159
my favorite movies, flash Ah. He played Fellini, Princess Aura's

1717
01:44:17.199 --> 01:44:20.399
little pet that walked around on the little chain. So

1718
01:44:20.520 --> 01:44:24.039
happy birthday to deep Roy. We also want to say

1719
01:44:24.119 --> 01:44:28.399
happy birthday to Tammelin to Meeta. She's a Japanese American

1720
01:44:28.479 --> 01:44:31.800
actress who played Commodore Oh in the first season of

1721
01:44:31.840 --> 01:44:35.000
Star Trek Picard. You may also recognize her from The

1722
01:44:35.119 --> 01:44:40.159
Karate Kid. Maybe you recognize her from Babylon Five. She

1723
01:44:40.279 --> 01:44:45.039
gets around, Happy birthday to Tammelin, to Meeta, and now

1724
01:44:45.079 --> 01:44:47.479
it's time to get into some Klingons. I always save

1725
01:44:47.560 --> 01:44:52.039
the Klingons for last. We want to say Golong to

1726
01:44:52.399 --> 01:44:56.399
actor Chad Heywood. He's the actor who played Kakaf in

1727
01:44:56.439 --> 01:45:01.359
Star Trek Voyagers third season episode Real Life. We also

1728
01:45:01.359 --> 01:45:05.039
want to say couplat to Susan Howard. She's the American

1729
01:45:05.119 --> 01:45:09.439
actors who played Mara, the first female Klingon on Star

1730
01:45:09.520 --> 01:45:12.920
Trek in the original series third season episode The Day

1731
01:45:12.960 --> 01:45:17.119
of the Dove. And last, but definitely not least, we

1732
01:45:17.159 --> 01:45:21.079
want to say happy birthday in Kapla to Jorge Gutz.

1733
01:45:21.560 --> 01:45:25.119
He's the writer, director and producer and the actor her voice.

1734
01:45:26.680 --> 01:45:30.560
I think it was doctor crouve On in Star Trek

1735
01:45:30.560 --> 01:45:34.880
Prodigy second season episode A triple called Quest. I think

1736
01:45:34.920 --> 01:45:38.199
he was a doctor or a scientist. Guys, am I

1737
01:45:38.279 --> 01:45:41.079
right here? I think so sounds right?

1738
01:45:41.439 --> 01:45:47.439
Yeah, yeah, I think scientist definitely science, Yeah, a scientists.

1739
01:45:47.359 --> 01:45:51.039
Kling On scientists. They do exist, because we just saw one.

1740
01:45:51.640 --> 01:45:53.359
He was experimentalist.

1741
01:45:54.159 --> 01:45:56.159
Yeah, there you go, there you go.

1742
01:45:56.920 --> 01:45:59.960
And uh with that, guys, that wraps up our Start

1743
01:46:00.079 --> 01:46:04.119
Trek birthdays. And I think I think we have time

1744
01:46:04.159 --> 01:46:06.359
for a new story or two, do we not?

1745
01:46:07.079 --> 01:46:07.439
We do?

1746
01:46:07.920 --> 01:46:09.520
I think we can squeak. We want to let Eric

1747
01:46:09.520 --> 01:46:12.920
go because Eric's got to do some intense partying in Vegas.

1748
01:46:12.920 --> 01:46:17.479
So I think this story, yeah, this story was a

1749
01:46:17.520 --> 01:46:20.159
holdover from last week. So let's get this story out

1750
01:46:20.159 --> 01:46:22.880
of the way and we'll take it from there. So

1751
01:46:22.920 --> 01:46:24.680
here's our Star Trek News Interet.

1752
01:46:24.840 --> 01:46:28.439
Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on secure channel.

1753
01:46:29.399 --> 01:46:35.000
Incoming transmission enter authorization code, command codes verified.

1754
01:46:35.960 --> 01:46:42.119
Define parameters of program level nine authorization required, specifying parameters.

1755
01:46:43.520 --> 01:46:45.680
Transfer updata is complete.

1756
01:46:45.960 --> 01:46:48.680
A blank alert, A blank alert.

1757
01:46:49.399 --> 01:46:51.880
Okay, Eric, the mike is yours.

1758
01:46:52.239 --> 01:46:52.760
All right?

1759
01:46:53.119 --> 01:46:54.199
Calm Meani.

1760
01:46:54.439 --> 01:46:58.359
That's right, Chief O'Brien himself to get the Irish Academy

1761
01:46:58.399 --> 01:47:02.119
Lifetime Achievement ward, I was truly shocked. The Star Trek

1762
01:47:02.199 --> 01:47:04.640
The Next Generation and Star Trek Deep Space nine actor

1763
01:47:04.720 --> 01:47:08.680
says about the honor Irish actor col Meani from both

1764
01:47:08.680 --> 01:47:11.239
of those shows, as well as in the Land of

1765
01:47:11.279 --> 01:47:14.399
Saints and Sinners will receive the Irish Academy Award for

1766
01:47:14.479 --> 01:47:19.039
Lifetime Achievement for his outstanding contribution to the Irish and

1767
01:47:19.239 --> 01:47:24.520
international screen industry. The Irish Film and Television Academy said

1768
01:47:25.159 --> 01:47:27.600
to say, I was surprised when I got the news

1769
01:47:27.640 --> 01:47:30.720
that the IFTA wanted to give me this award would

1770
01:47:30.760 --> 01:47:34.199
be an understatement. I was truly shocked. Meanie said, to

1771
01:47:34.199 --> 01:47:37.199
be asked to join this long list of very illustrious

1772
01:47:37.239 --> 01:47:41.359
previous recipients is a huge honor and I'm thrilled and

1773
01:47:41.399 --> 01:47:45.359
looking forward to a good night in Dublin. IFTA lauded

1774
01:47:45.399 --> 01:47:48.760
his career spanning five decades, noting that it has seen

1775
01:47:48.840 --> 01:47:53.640
him work with renowned filmmakers including John Houston, Robert Redford,

1776
01:47:54.000 --> 01:47:59.920
Michael Mann, Jim Sheridan, Neil Jordan and Alan Parker, Warren Batty,

1777
01:48:00.079 --> 01:48:03.880
and Ron Howard, and alongside such actors as Al Pacino,

1778
01:48:04.000 --> 01:48:08.920
Tom Cruise, Denzel Washington, Daniel Day, Lewis, Nicole Kidman, Russell Crowe,

1779
01:48:08.960 --> 01:48:13.680
Bruce Willis and Jelickie Houston, Hugh Grant, Nicholas Cage, John Malkovich,

1780
01:48:14.159 --> 01:48:19.000
Julie Waters, Brian Cox, Samuel l Jackson, James con Bert Reynolds,

1781
01:48:19.039 --> 01:48:23.880
Patrick Stewart, and Michael Gambon, to name just a few.

1782
01:48:24.399 --> 01:48:24.560
Mean.

1783
01:48:24.600 --> 01:48:28.600
He received the award at the twenty second IFTA Awards ceremony,

1784
01:48:28.800 --> 01:48:32.680
which took place Friday, February fourteenth at the Dublin Royal

1785
01:48:32.880 --> 01:48:34.039
Convention Center.

1786
01:48:34.520 --> 01:48:36.800
Wait a second, Wait a second, is this new story

1787
01:48:36.800 --> 01:48:40.319
from the future, because Friday the fourteenth of February hasn't

1788
01:48:40.319 --> 01:48:40.960
happened yet.

1789
01:48:40.960 --> 01:48:43.159
Man, I think it's supposed to say January.

1790
01:48:43.680 --> 01:48:46.279
Yeah, Okay, I'm just very confused with the way time

1791
01:48:46.319 --> 01:48:47.359
behaves on this show.

1792
01:48:47.800 --> 01:48:50.359
We got this news right about in the middle of

1793
01:48:50.439 --> 01:48:53.199
January or so, so I think that's January fourteenth at

1794
01:48:53.199 --> 01:48:57.199
the Dublin Royal Convention Center. But wow, I mean, I

1795
01:48:57.239 --> 01:49:01.279
am not a real knowledgeable necessary about Irish film, but

1796
01:49:01.319 --> 01:49:04.399
I will say that I think pretty much every single

1797
01:49:04.399 --> 01:49:07.680
person who ever watched Star Trek loves Chief O'Brien, Like

1798
01:49:07.720 --> 01:49:10.439
there's nothing not to like about this guy. He is

1799
01:49:10.479 --> 01:49:12.159
the guy who gets it done when he needs to

1800
01:49:12.159 --> 01:49:16.720
get done, and not even he's like an enlisted man, right,

1801
01:49:16.760 --> 01:49:19.279
He's like not an officer of any kind. And I

1802
01:49:19.359 --> 01:49:22.199
just I love him so much and I'm just really

1803
01:49:22.720 --> 01:49:25.520
glad that he was able to receive what he honestly

1804
01:49:25.800 --> 01:49:29.399
obviously considers to be a very important award.

1805
01:49:29.439 --> 01:49:32.159
I think that's awesome for him. So great, that's true.

1806
01:49:33.439 --> 01:49:35.560
Yeah, and I think we have I think we have

1807
01:49:35.600 --> 01:49:37.720
a story here. I threw this story in here just

1808
01:49:37.800 --> 01:49:40.319
for Paul. I thought this would be of interest to Paul.

1809
01:49:40.319 --> 01:49:42.560
I think we have time to squeeze this one last

1810
01:49:42.560 --> 01:49:43.720
one in. What do you think, Paul?

1811
01:49:44.039 --> 01:49:45.880
Oh, sure, I'll take a crack at it. Man though,

1812
01:49:47.079 --> 01:49:53.319
full disclosure and not a big Lego guy however, No,

1813
01:49:53.560 --> 01:49:56.920
I'm the Lego guy. Yeah, that's that's not my jam.

1814
01:49:57.000 --> 01:49:59.279
But you know I still I dabble. I dabble a

1815
01:49:59.319 --> 01:50:03.600
little bit in the occasional while Lego but honest Lego

1816
01:50:03.720 --> 01:50:06.760
Leaks set Leaks of twenty twenty five is here, and

1817
01:50:06.920 --> 01:50:10.000
Lego Star Trek is going to release The USS Enterprise

1818
01:50:11.359 --> 01:50:15.720
d estimated release date is November twenty eighth. That's pretty

1819
01:50:15.720 --> 01:50:20.800
specific for an estimated release date twenty twenty five, assuming

1820
01:50:20.880 --> 01:50:25.000
we still have civilization then Lego Star Wars has been

1821
01:50:25.000 --> 01:50:27.520
around for like over a quarter of a century already.

1822
01:50:28.560 --> 01:50:31.600
The theme had a massive celebration for its quarter century

1823
01:50:31.640 --> 01:50:34.880
anniversary last year. It's a staple for the Lego in

1824
01:50:34.920 --> 01:50:37.680
the twenty first century, But where is Star Wars pseudo

1825
01:50:37.760 --> 01:50:41.319
space rival Star Trek lost to the void of the

1826
01:50:41.359 --> 01:50:45.319
Great unknown? Apparently, despite being one of the biggest intellectual

1827
01:50:45.319 --> 01:50:47.960
properties in the history of Hollywood, Star Trek has never

1828
01:50:48.000 --> 01:50:53.000
received in a visual Lego set until now this Black Friday,

1829
01:50:53.039 --> 01:50:56.439
the nightmare might finally be over. And Black Friday was like,

1830
01:50:56.800 --> 01:50:58.560
what four months ago?

1831
01:50:58.720 --> 01:50:59.000
I think?

1832
01:50:59.039 --> 01:51:03.680
So well, are we talking about twenty twenty five? Okay, Wow,

1833
01:51:04.800 --> 01:51:07.560
I gotta do some editing next time I get on air.

1834
01:51:07.680 --> 01:51:11.199
Before I read these stories like I was expected to

1835
01:51:11.239 --> 01:51:14.319
begin its journey exploring strange new worlds with the release

1836
01:51:14.359 --> 01:51:18.319
of the USS Enterprise D. That's right, instead of kicking

1837
01:51:18.359 --> 01:51:20.479
things off of the ship from the original series, it

1838
01:51:20.520 --> 01:51:22.920
appears that the first Lego Star Trek build is the

1839
01:51:23.000 --> 01:51:25.920
Enterprise D from the next generation. We're unsure whether this

1840
01:51:25.960 --> 01:51:28.840
will go over well with fans or not, but perhaps

1841
01:51:29.000 --> 01:51:31.560
Lego has bigger plans for the future of this partnership

1842
01:51:31.880 --> 01:51:36.119
that notwithstanding, the possibilities of the collaboration between Lego and

1843
01:51:36.199 --> 01:51:39.119
Star Trek are endless, and you can bet your bottom

1844
01:51:39.119 --> 01:51:41.840
dollar the release of the set will crush websites come

1845
01:51:41.840 --> 01:51:46.560
midnight after Thanksgiving. M let's see if that's true. I

1846
01:51:46.600 --> 01:51:48.880
think probably the reason that they started with the Enterprise

1847
01:51:48.960 --> 01:51:51.239
d is because it has more pieces in it there

1848
01:51:51.319 --> 01:51:54.920
but more money old school enterprise and you can have

1849
01:51:54.920 --> 01:51:57.640
a larger set with more pieces because it's the bigger

1850
01:51:57.680 --> 01:52:04.079
ship and therefore charge more money.

1851
01:52:00.319 --> 01:52:07.720
Well, I was going to say that they remember that

1852
01:52:07.760 --> 01:52:11.720
we got the Playmobile like regular enterprise a little while ago,

1853
01:52:11.760 --> 01:52:14.680
which was the multi hundred dollars other toy that's come

1854
01:52:14.720 --> 01:52:19.880
out recently. But I will say that Legos are one

1855
01:52:19.960 --> 01:52:23.560
of the only like investments you can make that is

1856
01:52:23.600 --> 01:52:26.880
absolutely guaranteed to appreciate. Like as soon as you buy

1857
01:52:26.920 --> 01:52:29.680
a Lego set and it's discontinued, the value of it

1858
01:52:29.800 --> 01:52:32.880
just starts shooting up and up and up. And Blue

1859
01:52:32.880 --> 01:52:36.159
Bricks has done what they could with the Star Trek

1860
01:52:36.239 --> 01:52:37.920
Lego sets for a number of years, but you got

1861
01:52:37.920 --> 01:52:40.840
to ship them over from Germany. Some of their designs

1862
01:52:40.880 --> 01:52:43.479
are kind of clunky, some of their pieces are just

1863
01:52:43.560 --> 01:52:47.039
a little lower quality than Legos. So I'm with Charles.

1864
01:52:47.079 --> 01:52:49.319
I'm a Lego guy, and I'm kind of excited about this,

1865
01:52:49.359 --> 01:52:52.159
and it's going to be expenseless, but you know, I

1866
01:52:52.239 --> 01:52:53.079
may spring for it.

1867
01:52:53.800 --> 01:52:56.279
Yeah, I think going to have.

1868
01:52:57.880 --> 01:52:59.560
We don't know, we don't know the scale yet.

1869
01:52:59.680 --> 01:53:04.359
So it looks like it's gonna come with little people

1870
01:53:05.039 --> 01:53:10.560
because I see little people of the pictures, many figs,

1871
01:53:10.600 --> 01:53:11.359
mini figs.

1872
01:53:11.439 --> 01:53:15.479
Okay, in the back with a mustache.

1873
01:53:16.199 --> 01:53:18.800
That might Besley. It could be with a mustache.

1874
01:53:20.000 --> 01:53:22.920
It doesn't like a Wesley crush or sweater and yeah.

1875
01:53:22.760 --> 01:53:24.439
It does.

1876
01:53:25.279 --> 01:53:27.119
Mustache on or screaming.

1877
01:53:27.560 --> 01:53:30.520
And I think he's screaming because he's, you know, being

1878
01:53:30.560 --> 01:53:35.720
told to do something right, he's upset. You know, Wesley, what.

1879
01:53:35.760 --> 01:53:38.520
A perfect card figure though, I mean, look, no Ham.

1880
01:53:39.000 --> 01:53:42.279
Yeah, he's got a little it looks like a conehead actually.

1881
01:53:43.399 --> 01:53:46.119
So anyways, guys, don't forget to go over to truck

1882
01:53:46.159 --> 01:53:48.960
Talking dot Com and leave your question for Nick Meyer.

1883
01:53:49.039 --> 01:53:51.239
He will be here next week. I'm kind of excited

1884
01:53:51.640 --> 01:53:53.720
about that. So I want to say thank you everybody

1885
01:53:53.760 --> 01:53:55.399
who's in the chat room. How many people do we

1886
01:53:55.439 --> 01:53:57.279
have in the chat room tonight, Charles.

1887
01:53:57.680 --> 01:54:01.279
Ah, we have to somebody did say who they were?

1888
01:54:01.840 --> 01:54:05.520
And Ryan, so you got a mystery guest and.

1889
01:54:05.439 --> 01:54:09.039
Ryan, Well, hello to the mystery guests and Ryan, thanks

1890
01:54:09.079 --> 01:54:12.680
for joining us, and yeah, make sure you guys record

1891
01:54:12.680 --> 01:54:15.560
your messages for Nick Meyer and tune in next week.

1892
01:54:15.600 --> 01:54:16.920
We're gonna have a lot of fun. I want to

1893
01:54:16.960 --> 01:54:19.279
take this opportunity to say thank you to Paul for

1894
01:54:19.359 --> 01:54:21.960
hanging out and Trek talking with us. Thank you so much, Paul.

1895
01:54:22.319 --> 01:54:25.840
Yeah, it's fun. It's always interesting to see the different

1896
01:54:25.920 --> 01:54:28.600
perspectives that folks have, right, and.

1897
01:54:28.520 --> 01:54:33.119
You notice that unlike what you see on social media,

1898
01:54:33.680 --> 01:54:37.159
all the name calling and stone throwing and slinging that

1899
01:54:37.720 --> 01:54:40.520
we talked about section thirty one, and there weren't any swearing,

1900
01:54:40.560 --> 01:54:43.560
There wasn't any fighting, there wasn't any name calling, and

1901
01:54:43.640 --> 01:54:47.279
we are civilized human beings here on the podcast.

1902
01:54:47.920 --> 01:54:50.880
And it wasn't a high score. So it's definitely not

1903
01:54:51.039 --> 01:54:53.079
showing that we're paid by air amount.

1904
01:54:54.319 --> 01:54:57.359
Yeah. Okay, so I got to tell you guys, somebody

1905
01:54:57.399 --> 01:55:00.279
told me, sent me a message and told me that

1906
01:55:00.680 --> 01:55:04.399
I'm obviously a shill, and then I'm getting paid by

1907
01:55:04.479 --> 01:55:07.560
paramount to say that I like this crap and that

1908
01:55:07.720 --> 01:55:10.640
I would like a turd that had Star Trek painted

1909
01:55:10.720 --> 01:55:13.680
on the side of it. And I was like, wow,

1910
01:55:13.760 --> 01:55:15.840
you fit that all into one text. You are a

1911
01:55:15.880 --> 01:55:21.920
really intelligent person. Thank you for that. So yeah, unbelievable.

1912
01:55:21.960 --> 01:55:24.399
Some of the stuff that Star Trek fans will throw

1913
01:55:24.439 --> 01:55:26.880
out there if you disagree with them, but we have

1914
01:55:26.960 --> 01:55:29.760
none of that going on here. So and thank you

1915
01:55:29.800 --> 01:55:31.960
so much to Eric for hanging out with us. I

1916
01:55:32.000 --> 01:55:34.239
hope you have a good time at Vegas and you.

1917
01:55:35.000 --> 01:55:37.680
I hope you win your tournament, your soccer tournament. Tomorrow.

1918
01:55:38.439 --> 01:55:40.920
It's my daughter's volleyball tournament and I'm super excited to

1919
01:55:40.960 --> 01:55:43.399
watch her. So yeah, thank you very much, and it

1920
01:55:43.439 --> 01:55:45.560
was very nice to have a very civil discourse with

1921
01:55:45.600 --> 01:55:46.640
you guys about this show.

1922
01:55:47.159 --> 01:55:49.479
Now, how far are you from Charles?

1923
01:55:50.199 --> 01:55:51.880
I don't know where Charles lives. How far am I

1924
01:55:51.920 --> 01:55:52.159
from you?

1925
01:55:52.279 --> 01:55:52.640
Charles?

1926
01:55:52.760 --> 01:56:04.359
Mike rodably a couple of miles from the straining sphere anyway,

1927
01:56:04.479 --> 01:56:05.199
it's not too far.

1928
01:56:05.479 --> 01:56:07.119
Yeah, right on the strip here, so.

1929
01:56:07.399 --> 01:56:11.279
Yeah, you're up in the south end. Well ahead to

1930
01:56:11.319 --> 01:56:13.880
all right direction when I go gaming tomorrow.

1931
01:56:15.199 --> 01:56:15.479
Right on.

1932
01:56:16.199 --> 01:56:19.279
Excellent, And thank you so much to David as usually

1933
01:56:19.399 --> 01:56:21.960
did an excellent job putting together slide shows for I

1934
01:56:22.000 --> 01:56:25.039
know that we worked on this right up until yesterday,

1935
01:56:25.399 --> 01:56:27.720
so trying to get this all together for you guys.

1936
01:56:27.800 --> 01:56:29.960
So Thank you so much, David, you're the miracle worker.

1937
01:56:30.680 --> 01:56:33.640
Yeah, you're welcome. That last part of it, with that

1938
01:56:34.159 --> 01:56:37.199
section thirty one strip that was really hard to put

1939
01:56:37.239 --> 01:56:39.159
together at the very last minute, was like, oh no,

1940
01:56:39.279 --> 01:56:42.039
they just got like a thousand more pictures.

1941
01:56:41.600 --> 01:56:44.520
Of like that all popped up after we work.

1942
01:56:45.479 --> 01:56:47.479
But I was able to do it, and I'm glad

1943
01:56:47.479 --> 01:56:48.800
you guys were able to enjoy it.

1944
01:56:49.039 --> 01:56:51.439
Yep, you got it done. And of course, thank you

1945
01:56:51.479 --> 01:56:53.279
so much to Charles for hanging out in trek talking

1946
01:56:53.319 --> 01:56:55.359
with us. Thank you, Charles, Thank you.

1947
01:56:55.439 --> 01:56:59.600
This was a great conversation. I love put on thirty one.

1948
01:57:00.239 --> 01:57:02.199
A lot of fun, a lot of fun for sure,

1949
01:57:02.359 --> 01:57:05.039
and I'm your most excellent host, Uncle Jim saying, everybody

1950
01:57:05.119 --> 01:57:07.600
please stay safe and be good to each other. Star

1951
01:57:07.640 --> 01:57:10.840
Trek fans are the best fans. You better remember that

1952
01:57:11.159 --> 01:57:17.399
hailing frequencies are closed. Good night, everybody to prosper else

1953
01:57:19.800 --> 01:57:20.520
all stations.

1954
01:57:20.840 --> 01:57:22.159
I'm ready for departure, sir.

1955
01:57:25.760 --> 01:57:28.880
Some problem RCA. Just hoping this isn't the usual way

1956
01:57:28.880 --> 01:57:32.920
our missions will go, sir, Oh no, number one. Actually

1957
01:57:33.039 --> 01:57:39.840
most will be much more interesting. Let's see what's I'm there.

1958
01:57:48.439 --> 01:57:51.760
That's a lot of legos