Episode.620- Section 31 review/discussion

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0:50 Now about the series Cows. The armless phone Now. Well, Hello trekkies and trekkers around the globe. It is Thursday, January thirtieth, twenty twenty five. Welcome to episode six hundred and twenty of Trek Talking. I'm your most excellent host, Uncle Jim, and before we get too far, I want to go around and introduce my trek Spurts. And we're going to start off with Paul. Paul's out in Portland. How you doing tonight, Paul. It's been a strange couple of days, my friend, a strange couple of days, but I am doing okay, and it's the right on the very tail end of January, which is crazy, the first month of the year almost behind us. So yeah, wild, pretty wild.

1:45 It's creeping along, that's for sure. Yeah, but good to be here, thank you. It's gonna be fun Friday's Eve, as we say. And also not from Portland, but from Las Vegas tonight, we have our very own Eric. How you doing tonight? Eric? Doing pretty good GYM on a little uh little vacation here live from the park MGM down in Vegas here, and I guess I'll say you know, the last week here has me thinking about the immortal words of Captain Rachel Garrett, well future Captain Rachel Garrett. Chass is my friends with benefits that. It is that it is my friend. And also from Portland, we have David, our very own miracle worker. How you doing tonight, David? Uh oh oh donuts.

2:39 I've been pretty good, uh been pretty bitchy goodness film together for you guys. So yeah, it's been quite a long road. I guess you could save from here to there. That looks especially like an old fashioned David, am I. Right, yeah, it's really old fashioned, like Clint. I hope it's not moldy it's a petrifidle. That's your title. It's a moldy oldie. That's a fossilized old fashion. And we also have with us Charles who's actually in Las Vegas and he's our local hologram. How you doing tonight, Charles? When it's getting better, Beric's enjoying it. I'm ready to talk some section thirty one.

3:22 Yes we are. You don't make me happ torture Uncle Jim. All right, guys, so we have a like, Like Charles said, we're gonna be talking about section thirty one tonight. And there's one comment that I want to make to everybody who's listening right now to this podcast, whether it's live or memorys one thing that people in this society today don't seem to be able to understand. It's okay for people to disagree. In fact, that's what makes society function is when people disagree. The problem comes when people think you're either with me or you're against me, and there is no gray area and there's nothing else, and if you're against me, you're my enemy, and that just is absolutely ball. Okay. I give you an example. I love Star Trek five and anyone that's listening to this podcast or any of my my co hosts know that Star Trek five is my favorite movie. In fact, right here over my head, right there you'll see is my Star Trek five autograph right right there, all right. I love Star Trek five. Majority of the fans hate it. I don't care. I love it, and that's okay if you don't like it, and it's okay if I like it.

4:40 So you're gonna hear a lot of opinions tonight, but you're not gonna hear anybody cursing anybody out. You're not gonna hear name calling. And because we're adults, so bear that in mind. With that being said, I like everybody to help out the podcast if you can by heading over to our Patreon page and come a member for only two dollars a month and get all kinds of great stuff. One of the great things that you'll get for your two dollars is right now, we are recording a wonderful video. If you become a patron, you can watch that video right now. Otherwise you'll have to wait a month to see it on our YouTube channel. So if you can head over to our Patreon page and help us out. Please please do. Facebook is still being a pain in the ass. I hate Facebook, so we are trying to expand out into other social media venues like Tumbler, for instance, blue Sky. If you head over to our YouTube channel at YouTube dot com, backslash at Trek Talking, you will find all of our short clips there that we put up. I put them up probably starting tomorrow, I'll take a lot of clips from tonight's show and I'll put them up to give you a little taste of what we talked about. You can find links there to all of our social media accounts on our YouTube channel, so please check that out. Housekeeping. Nicholas Meyer is going to be with us next week, and you may know him as a screenwriter, director, an author, known for his best selling novel The Seven Percent Solution.

6:09 Has anybody read that? I have not. It's a Sherlock Holmes book, and I'm not much of a Sherlock holmesy in, so I don't know about it. I've seen the movie, but have never actually read the novel. Me neither. He also directed the film's Time After Time, a Little One called Star Trek two The Wrath of Khn, which some of you guys might be familiar. With, maybe fear of That. He also directed the nineteen eighty three television movie The Day After which scared to live in be Jesus out of Me when I saw that, And he co wrote and directed Star Trek six The Undiscovered Country. And he co wrote the screenplay for Star Trek four The Voyage Home, and served as season one science advisor on Star Trek Discovery and wrote the three parts series SETI Alpha five about con which we haven't heard much about. We can ask him. He will be on the show next week, So head over to Trek Talking dot com. You'll see the little blue talkback mike in the right hand corner.

7:12 Leave a question for Nick Meyer. We will play it on the show and get an answer for you coming up on February thirteenth. As I just mentioned Star Trek five right there, one of my favorite movies, and I always jump at the opportunity to talk to anybody from Star Trek five. So on February thirteenth, we're going to be talking to John Simpson, who played the young Sarah in the flashback scenes in Star Trek five The Final Frontier when Spock was born. So if you have any questions for him, same same procedure. Head over to trek Talking dot com, click on the little blue talkback Mike, leave us a message. It doesn't have to be a question for Nick or John. You can just callin. Tell us how awesome we are, how great Eric's harra looks, how you like flickering our flickering hologram, anything, anything you want to tell us, you can just leave us a message and we will play it on the air. And finally on February twentieth, this is really going to be a good show, especially with everything that's going on here in the United States right now. We're going to be talking about they called us enemy, and this is the George de kay graphic novel about the American Japanese that were held in internment camps in the nineteen forties, and we're going to talk about that rather extensively, and I think that's an important topic to touch on, particularly with what's going on today. We cannot let fear divide us and cause us to turn on each other, because I'm telling you right now, divided we fall united. We stand,

8:45 we have to be vigilant, we have to stay united, and we can't let our eyes come off of the prize, and I think that they call us enemy is a great example of what can happen to Americans, even when they mean the best, when they do the worst. So we're going to talk a lot about that on February twentieth, and that, my friends, is all the news I have to share with you right now. So without any further ado, I think it is time to get into our fan shout outs. What do you guys think you're ready for some fan shout outs? Let's do it, all right, where's my where's my fan shout out song? I can't I can't find my fan ba.

9:31 Well, I don't know. I don't see it. Well, well it's not live. It's live. Yeah, it's still live and there's nothing edited. So oh god, I can't find it. Let's say it. Come on, guys, let's do this. I can't find it, all right? So anyways, you guys can head over to our our Facebook page, our Tumblr page. You can tell us where you're listening from. On all of our social media you'll see the livelong and prosper and just tell us where you're listening from. If you see a heart next year, your name from yours truly, Uncle Jim, you will be featured on a future fan shout out, so Eric you want to get us started this. Week, I absolutely do. Our very first fan shout out this week goes out to Klaus thel Clena, who's saying hello to us from Germany and sending us that livelong and prosper and a little little cool guy with some glasses. So, Klaus, thank you so much for saying hello to us this week.

10:21 It really means a lot that you interact with us on our Facebook page and listen to our podcast. Thank you so much for that. We're also saying hello this week to Michelle Rousseau, who's saying hello to us from Angriy, Italy. I have not been to Angri. I have been to Italy a couple of times, though, and that is one amazing place folks. And Michelle, I'm sure that you know that already and I'm gonna have to look up your town. Yeah, I'm gonna do it. Also saying hello this week to Luis Hario, who is saying hello from the Milky Way in the Orion's arms, Saul third Planet from the Sun, England, London, sending us that long and prosper as well as a cool planet with some rings saturn Esque. I would say, although that third planet doesn't have rings, Oh wait it does.

11:08 Isn't there a vehicle floating around our planet right now? I heard about it? So that anyway, Louise, thank you so much for listening to our podcast, and hello and live long and prosper to you, Charles. I'm gonna pass this shout out megaphone over to you, sir. Thank you, Eric. Let's start off within warm greeting from Wooster, Ohio. Op Van Jeffrey Wilson says hello there above Oregon wash his steak Rocks and Waters says greeting from Minnesota. David Boucher gives us greetings and Indiana James Webb sends his jails. David, who's on your frequency?

11:56 Yeah? I would like cruchee hello and well. One welcome to a top fan James Robinson from Linda, Texas. I would like to give another one welcome to Greg Coe from Oklahoma. And another one welcome to Cat Gardner from Spreenfield, Greenfield, Majorie. And last on my list is another one welcome to top fan Doug Graham from Lewiston, Idaho Paul, I'm going to patch this over to you. Oh I thank you, David. I appreciate that very much. We have top fan mayhem going on here at Trek Talk tonight. Every single one of these folks I'm about to introduce our top fans, and they are scattered all over the four corners of the globe, which is a weird expression because how can a globe even have a corner?

12:52 But I digress. First of all, let's say hello to top fan Samantha Rawana, who is giving us a hello from basing Stoke, Hampshire in England. That's sort of midway between Winchester and Redding, memory serves. But wonderful to hear from somebody in my home soil there Union Jack fluttering in the wind. So Samantha, thanks for being a fan, and thanks for sharing your enthusiasm for Star Trek with us. A different continent away, we're saying hello to our friend Jorge Costa de Arajo in Brazil. Magnificent part of the world to live in. So Jorge, wonderful to hear from you. Thanks for letting us know that Star Trek is popular in every continent. And going back over to Europe, you could get the way we do these things. You could get whiplash going back and forth from one hemisphere to the other. But we're also saying hi to top fan Tamara day Slova in Belgium, a wonderful country, absolutely amazing spot to hang your hat. And we also have another top fan who is setting howdy to us from New Delhi, India, Rajit Sega Raji. It is wonderful to hear from you, my friend, big fan of all things India. So great to hear from everybody here. It's really encouraging to know that there's a lot of folks scattered across the globe who share our fondness for Star Trek. And hopefully everybody has been able to tune in and watch section thirty

14:23 one over the last week so you can form your own opinions about it and contrast them with whatever we may say tonight. So thanks very much for being fans pals, and I'm going to pass you Sylvy to top klingon Uncle Jim. Who is muted. But Uncle Jim, take the battles out of your throat chip. Come ony. Technology is just awesome, isn't it. Anyways? Thank you so much, Paul and I'm going to start off with a top fan on my list. I want to say thank you to Joe Anthony, who's listening to us in the Big Apple tonight, New York, New York. Thank you.

15:06 I'm right across the street from them. I think, yeah, that's the other New York. We also want to say thank you to Christine Balloch who's listening to us in Toronto, Ontario. Thank you so much for I get away from there. We also want to say thank you to Stefan Stock who's listening to us in Rhode Island. And last but not least, we want to say thank you and apply to Ellen Silber who's listening to us in Albany, New York. Thank you so much. Guys. If you can head over to our Facebook page, our Tumblr page, our Blue Sky page, you'll find this poll everywhere. Tell us where you're from. And by the way, if you're watching us on video, you'll see all these pictures going by that David was so nice to put together for us. If you are mentioned in a fan shout out and you want to send us a picture of yourself and your cosplayer meeting an actor, you can send that to us and your picture can appear right there, so that everybody not only do they know you're a fan, but they can see that you're a fan as well. And while you're doing that, you can answer our polls. Every week. I try to come up with interesting, fun, challenging, ethical questions to ask you guys, to see what you if you agreed with our Star Trek people, So we're gonna do our Star Trek polls.

16:36 You know me like no Wind, but you thought about the showmen. We try. To share your opinions with all of our minions out there because hey, listen, worldwhe. So tell us just what you think. Get together, we will alter Canara and Robulin a. Al right, guys, excellent song by the way, Eric, I. Think, well, you know, I'll say that when you sing those lyrics at the karaoke version of that song, it just doesn't hit quite as hard. Alright. I couldn't get all the pictures in today because we couldn't find any show. Sorry about that.

17:21 Yeah, we had some David so with any without any further ado, Eric, would you like to get us started with our polls? Would I ever? All right? Poll number one this week is in the t NNG episode Symbiosis the enterprise encounters two neighboring cultures, one suffering from a plague drug addicts, the other marketing a cure drug dealers. In the end, Picard decides to do nothing. Did he make the correct decision? And in a rare feat a rare landslide, I would say one hundred percent of our Pole answers this week said absolutely Picard did the right thing there, and zero percent said no. So, you know, society, you got the elite making the drugs and marketing a cure, and you got the non elite taking them and being reliant on the cure, and Picard does nothing. So I don't know what do y'all think?

18:27 Do you agree with our listeners? Did the card make the right decision here? Would you say that our whole respondents? Would you say that? Are Pole respondents? Basically we're you know, lining up behind the prime directive because this is the culture that had been established, this is the dynamic that that particular society had to interfere, would have been breaking the prime directive. So I think everyone's kind of you know, standing up on that side, right, I mean, not that the prime directive doesn't get broken on a whim. On a regular basis, But it seemed to me that this would have been, like, all right, interfering may be morally objectionable from our current lens, but you know, it's it would have been, you know, the big PD. I mean, I think that it is a solid question, and I mean, obviously the answer is because the writers made it this way. But if if you know, there are plenty of episodes, as you said, Paul, where the prime directive is broken, and I think some of them in situations maybe even less severe or polarizing than this, And so, uh, you know, our listeners are lining up behind Picard and that is absolutely why Picard made the right decision. And in fact, you'll notice kind of a theme to some of our polls tonight wherein the prime directive is invoked. So does that make it right? I don't know, maybe maybe it does.

19:45 Well if you guys remember we visit this planet on lower decks and we get to see what happened after Picard made that decision, you guys remember. Yeah, tell us about it, Jim. Oh, okay, I'll tell you. Yeah. So in this particular case, you got don't recall the planet that was dealing drugs. The drug dealers actually got taken over by the packlids and the planet that was addicted to drugs became a thriving artistic cultural mecca once they got off the drugs. So did Picard make the right choice? So in this particular episode, if you don't remember it, there was a ship that was stuck in orbit that who's the engine failed or the warp core conduits ruptured, whatever technobabble there was, and the Enterprise receives a distress call. Jordy beams over.

20:37 He can fix the ship and get them on their way, but the card isn't quite sure. Then these people show up in this intergalactic Cadillac demanding that these poor people in this broken down ship give them what they owe them, and Beverly does her magic finds out that these people are all addicted to drugsugs and that these other people are providing the drugs and this is the dynamic that's going on. And once Picard finds that out, game over, Man, game over. They fix the ship to get the people back safely, and that's it. They fly away and leave them to their own So, yeah, I know, I've we've seen Jane Wade break the prime directive on more than I.

21:20 Mean, I think this one is a little is a little unique in that it's based on an affluent, you know, society specifically taking advantage of another society for their own gain. And so in this particular instance, my stance is that I think Bicard made the wrong decision, and I guess that that's where the lower Deck story kind of takes it right. It's like, oh, you know what, somebody else the packlids actually interfered, and all of the sudden it actually made the drug addicts lives better and they weren't addicted to their drugs anymore, and they became a thriving community.

22:01 So in my mind, I think Picard was a little too stuffy about this one and probably should have broken the prime directive. Well, I you know, I think he made. And if you guys remember the the drug addicts had this like little electric shock deal in their fingers and the one guy grabs Riker and he's gonna shock them. And in fact, yes, if I remember correctly, that's the guy from Star Trek to the Wrath of Khan, if I remember correctly, wasn't it Yeah, it was Merrik. It was Merrek. Buttrick, wasn't it. I think so, Yeah, I think it was. I think it was. Yeah. And the drug dealers, oh my god, where they dinks or what? They were like stuck up like, uh, well we read the prime directive and we know you have to help us, and blah blah blah blah blah.

22:53 They were they were they were arrogant, and I was glad Picard left them hanging. So I agree with our fans. What about you, David. Well? I would have to agree with the fans on this one as well, just because I don't want to ruin the the timeline of like what actually happened, because if we said something different, you know, it's could probably go off in a different direction. But I don't want to create an alternate universe. But you know what, I think. The question is whether he made the right decision or and I don't think that creates an alternati. I agree with him. I agree with the fan oh man, Yeah, yeah, it's I kind of agree with Well, just because you can't fix everything in the universe, so technically the other things that you do have to leave alone. So technically, yes, in my opinion, So yeah, that's about it.

23:51 All right, how about you, Charles, what do you think? Well, I'm not sure Percard would have realized that the society could have changed. It also might have been the society eventually got to the point with the pack lids that they finally were able to change. But I think at this point, I don't think it was the job of the Federation to sit there and judge the planets for their things, because they're not Federation citizens. And I think the Prime Directive General Order ones required you leave such societies alone. And even though they're moving on ship. Were they warped society?

24:35 I think that they were if I I think so, Yeah. They had they were warped society. Yeah, they were certainly aware of warp technology based on their their people who were taking advantage of them. But I still think there's a limitation of what Starfleet really wanted to deal with, especially with non Starfleet citizens. All right, Well, that question was was I think a little bit that was kind of an easy one compared to the next one. Did we get Paul's answer on that one? What did you think Paul did? Did you agree with uh Picard or. You Yeah, Paul agreed, Yeah, Prime directive pretty much right.

25:20 I mean, yeah, otherwise you're in a whole conundrum. And then you know, as soon as you start violating the prime director, if you have to justify how you did it in terms of the larger landscape of everything, and just no one's got time for that, at least not. You know, let's move it alone. I like these polls. All right, we'll move it on. Here we go. This one's not quite as easy, Eric, So what's this one? In the enterprise episode, Dear Doctor, do you agree with Doctor Flox's decision to withhold the cure? So, do you guys remember that episode? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I mean this is this is the one where they're there's ah, it's like a disease that he has to come up with a cure and it takes he says he can't do it, and it sort of takes him forever to do it. And it's it's two sentient societies, right, who are growing up on the same planet.

26:14 He thinks that that's kind of a unique thing in the world or in the universe, because typically on most planets, one sentient species sort of destroys all of the other ones, and so he kind of sees this as a special almost like symbiosis between the two societies, and they discover that this disease is actually going to wipe out one of the societies within like a couple one hundred years, and so Archer wants him to develop some sort of cure that will help that species not be wiped out by this disease that the other species is immune to. And Flocks kind of secretly actually comes up with the cure and then decides that he doesn't think it's the right thing to do to administer it to the other or society, And so I think in the end he doesn't do it, right?

27:05 Is that how I remember on this one? And it's been a while, but basically, you know, Flox convinces Archer to basically commit genocide right from this kind of simplistic understanding of evolution. Now, hold on a second, this is a prime directive thing. This is the last question. Yeah, I think when you run into a thing where it becomes like you, you're you know, it's basically like Asimov's law of robotics. Right if through in action you are allowing somebody to be harmed, it's it's a different story altogether. That's the same thing as the last question we just asked, I disagree in this context no, because he's basically he's got the ability to save somebody, and he basically says, no, I go ahead and let them die out.

27:55 Also a prime directive never just did yet this was one. Yeah. So this is the difference between this question and the last one is that in the last question it was a man made created situation, and in this question, though, the one race is going to take over the planet from the other race when they die out, and Flox is saying that that's just natural, that's the course of nature, and we have no right to interfere in that course of nature, even though we can, and you know, Archer tells him to do it, and Flox refuses. So the other race is going to die off and the other race is going to take over. It's a little bit different, but it's the same a little bit too. This is more of a question of nature.

28:48 So should we be playing should should the enterprise be playing? God? Right? That's why I asked this one. It's not quite as cut and dry as the drug dealer question. Because the drug dealer question, we know the people are addicts. When they get over the DTS, they'll be fine. In this case, the entire civilization is going to die, all of them, so so it's a little bit different. That's why I asked these questions, Guys, I don't want to throw I don't want to throw snowballs at you all the time. So Ucher agreed to allow Flock to give the medication to both of the ratis. I can't really remember. Archer ordered him to and he refused, and Archer respected his decision not to do it, so they didn't ably.

29:38 Kind of what I like it as an episode that sort of gets Archer's wheels turning, because remember that Archer is there in twenty one to sixty one when the Federation is founded, and so this is probably one of the adventures that he had on the NXO one that helped him develop that idea of, you know, taking General Order one and kind of taking it to the next level. Yeah. Absolutely, what do you think? What do you think, Charles, as I said, plan, do we allow a start or do we have the future Stark Fleet to plan? God? And I think sometimes you gotta left the planet go it's direction it's going.

30:19 Yep, absolutely all right, So Eric, we got one more poll, buddy, all right. The last poll is in the DS nine episode Sons of Mogue Wharf had Kerns memory wiped and replaced with a new identity to protect him. Was that the right decision? And fifty five percent of our listeners said it was the right decision, and forty five percent said. It was not the right decision. What do you guys think? Yeah, that one, that one wasn't as cut and dry as the others. Well though, was it interesting? So Paul, you want to start us off, sure. And you have to presh my memory on here a little bit, so it's a little abstract to me. But like, is Kern to this? This?

31:03 Is? This is done like without his knowledge? Galan was being a dick as usual and decided to rewrite Klingon history. And part of that meant that Gown was the soul everything, and Kern and Warf know that he wasn't. So so Galarn takes away all of their lands, kicks them off the council. He's living in a gutter, eating dead gock and drinking stale blood wine and he's just not doing well. So he comes to DS nine and he wants Wharf to do that Klingon ritual where they plunged a knife into your heart and cut it out and kill you and blah blah blah blah blah. Warf won't do it, goes to Basher, rerates his memory, gives him a new history. Dasher does some surgery on him, and then he becomes Jack from the House of Eric and flies away into the sunset in a nutshell.

31:55 Yeah, I think I got a nice So basically, it's like trying to save him from himself, right, because he's going to be tortured about it forever unless they do this thing. Right. To me, that just seems really heavy handed, and it's like it seems like an arbitrary hand of like the writer sneaking in here as a post of the way anybody would behave in life or reality, and you're you're taking away Kern's autonomy, all right. It's just like how is it? You know, it's just like, well, we know, what's I think. Anytime that somebody's like, we know what's best for you, you know, start running in the opposite direction, is my feeling on that? Right? It's just like, you know, no making a decision for Kern without him even weighing in on it, or having knowledge of what's being happening and his whole identity and autonomy being taken away.

32:40 I just think it's ridiculous. No, I would I would say that's probably a bad call. I mean, good intentions always being what they are seldom end up having a good outcome for the person who having those intentions inflicted on them. So I would say, no, all right, what about you. Eric, I tend to I tend to agree it's a bit heavy handed. I think that in doing so, Wharf is acknowledging Kern's weakness, in that Kern would not be able to recover from this, you know. I mean what should have happened was WARF should have helped kind of facilitate Kern's rehabilitation and help him learn that he could be a proud Klingon even without a B and C that he.

33:28 Used to have. But instead, they sort of take the easy way out and say, you know, let's just wipe his memory and then it's that's like the low hangingest fruit that you can that you can find in that case, and so let's just go ahead and do it that way. It feels it feels heavy handed and an acknowledgment of a weakness that I don't know, Kern couldn't get through with the correct you know, help cling on counseling. I don't know, man, he probably could have could have found another way around this other than having his memory white. And I think that it just I think that it goes to prove how on Klingon Warf actually is. I think all his years around human has made him weak because any real Klingon would have committed the rock Tock ceremony or whatever it was and plunged a dagger into his heart and given him what he wanted, death with honor.

34:22 And I think by Warf not doing that, it takes away Kern's honor in a way that Kern's not aware of. And it just it weakens Wharf. It just shows you how weak I don't want to use the word weak, but you guys know what I'm saying, how how humanized Warf has become. Because one thing that star Trek always seems to do is want to place human values, in human ethics on alien species, and this is a perfect example of that right there. Warf Wharf should have killed him. If Worf was a Klingon, well he was a Klingon. But if he was a true Klingon, he would have killed him, and he didn't.

35:02 So I mean, this episode's probably probably a great candidate for a follow up, right, I'd love to see where Kerrent is these days. Does he have like nightmares about being uh a Klingon back in the day. Has he become a really great human as a result of this. I'd love to see, you know, the consequences of of where he ended up after this decision. Taking blood wine on some farm somewhere. Uh, what do you think, David, Do you agree with the fans or not? Do my decision? Yeah, I'm gonna have to say no way.

35:43 It's not very clean on. I think the word you were looking for, Jim was influenced. Yah, So technically I think yeah, she would very heavily influence. And I actually like this the way they did it because it added more to the story, you know how of course humans are influencing him, so and if he would have killed him, that would have been a good story too. But at the same time, it's just like yes and no. I mean I'm leaning more toward no way, just because of the idea that it isn't very clean on and we all agree that we should all that we all agree that we need a game of phones that will clean on show. Right, this is just something that needs to happen.

36:33 So technically, yeah, I think if we saw more violence in the TV shows, that would be probably more clean on society thing that would go on. But to me, i'm when this show came out. I mean, of course, the woman I believe it was who was doing all the episodes, they wanted to keep violence to minimum. I'm not saying that violence makes a good TV show or anything, or a movie for that matter, But I'm just saying that when it comes to a cult sure that driven on violence, you think that that would be the first thing that ever comes about. So I mean, hoo, yes too.

37:17 But it's just yeah, I mean, I know, I'll shut up and you know, played donut hand. He's like that to make someone think of the thing that's not the thing. But on the other hand, then the other guy's got the thing and he steps it in the back of your head and then over here I had it one day. Well, Charles, you follow well. Dave, how would the fans have reacted if Ward Wharf had chosen to kill his brotherling on right there.

38:01 That's the pling on thing to do, baby. Yeah. But I think they looked at Warf, look at how Warf trewed the wharf, wanted to kill himself when he uh injured his spine, and yet we talked him, talked him into not killing himself and being there for his son. So I think we've kind of given war from more human side to him. And I think they chose to reflect on the human side on this episode instead of killing his brother, giving his brother the second chance of moving on and not having to deal with the disgrace of the Mogue name at that time.

38:52 Cool. All right, Well there you have it, guys. The truck Spurts have spoken, all right. So all right, so we're ready to move on, and now we're going to go to our cadet training. Courtesy of Charles, I have to this song. I do have. We are the Bog blow your shields and your ships. We will add to a biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to it serves us resistance, all right, Charles, take it away, buddy. Yeah. I think by Strange New Worlds, we need a better song. Okay, all kinds of interesting little cadets on this one, of course, wrought off the bat Discovery season one and a little bit of season three, giving us the history of Emperor Philippa Giorgio cos Let this be your last Battlefield Season three episode fifteen, as we had two beings the planet Sharon, Well, guess what I'm guessing somebody survived because the society lived

40:24 star Trek sixth the undiscovered country we were introduced to. The Chameleoids were non human, which were non human species of shape shifters, and of course Star Trek. The motion picture was we were first introduced to the Delton tngs Yescha's Enterprise, Season three, episode fifteen, Captain Rachel Garrett as we now first see here Lieutenant Garrett Section thirty one, or as an organization claimed to be sanctioned by the original Starfleet Charter Article fourteen, Section thirty one, which allowed for extraordinary measures to be taken in times of extreme threat.

41:17 This one, you're gonna do a lot of research that you're gonna have to go back to DS nine, Enterprise and Discovery. And then one last one that I thought was an interesting one TOS Space Seed Season one episode twenty two and start Trick two, The Wrath of Khan and the Eugenics Wars. There's also a good comic out there somewhere that talked about the Eugenics Wars, and we talked about the one of the crew. One of the Section thirty one crew came from the Eugenics Wars, and that would be the interesting history for his origin. God, I wonder what the fans thought of this or maybe yeah, So.

42:09 You guys can go to our Tumblr page and that's where I seem to get the most in depth answers and poll ratings on our Tumbler page. So, Eric, what did our social media fans have to say about Section thirty one? Well, Julian John said, very disappointing. Michelle Yo deserved better. Susie Jalabi said, I just finished watching. It was awesome. Victoria Hewitt said, Nope, not track, A bunch of misfits, tired storyline, repetitive action scenes. Yo was amazing, the only thing worth the watch. Olivia Salifera said worst Star Trek movie ever, Just sad. Steve g Harsh said I just finished it and I really enjoyed it. It wasn't the best track movie. But I had a lot of fun watching it. I do think it would have benefited from being a series though. I'm a fan of Michelle Yeoh, and I always liked the Emperor character and Discovery, so it was nice seeing her back. I'd definitely tune in if TPTB decided to do another one. Bruce E. Tusher said good fun, liked young. Rachel garrett As representing Proper Starfleet.

43:30 Gabriel Antonio Arias said this movie is awesome and amazing. Alana White, Star and All Star Contributors said, after reading my friend's negative reactions, I'm gonna give this one a miss a shame. Adam S. Hopkins said I just finished watching it. I liked it. I'm an old treky. But I like stories more than just green screen, live stories more than just green screen. Just tell me a good story and throw in special effects when and if they're needed, but the story is what's important. Steve A. Harris said I feel it was really bad and not star Trek. If you like it, good for you. Joe Boyd said entertaining and fun, and Redding said I watched it.

44:13 The beginning was good, but it was downhill after that, and finally Steven Etherton said the release of it officially bumps Star Trek five from the Worst Trek Movie, so it has that going for it. I guess we have a fan score this week of the section thirty one movie of three point one. That is out of ten people. That's not out of five, that's out of ten. Wow. Section thirty one three point one gots you a different Well already there in uh. In for Paul, it was actually thirty point eight and the point eight rounded it up to point one, so that's where that came from. So I want to start off.

44:54 I want to start off with this one. Usually I like to listen to what everybody else has to say first, but not this time. I want to jump in and go first. So I'm going to steal the limelight from everybody else first. I want to say, first of all, I've been waiting a long time for this movie. I love Michelle Yo. When she kicked Lorca in the face and he was standing behind her, oh my god, I just loved it. So yeah, I was looking forward to this. I actually after our podcast last week, I took a nap and I stayed up to watch it. I wanted to watch it before anybody spoiled it for me, and I'm glad that I did. I was watching it at three o'clock in the morning and I was but as tired. So I watched it and then I went to bed, and then I got up the next day, and then I watched it again. Then my daughter came home from work, I watched it with her. Then my wife wanted to watch it, so I watched it four times in one day.

45:46 Well technically one day, so I watched it quite a few times. And I want to tell you. The first time I watched it at three o'clock in the morning, I was tired, and I'm thinking, oh, and I went to bed. Second time I watched it, I enjoyed it much more. And I want to say that I don't think that all the first of all, I think I think it's really easy to be negative about it because negativity gets clicks. And that's sad but true. You know, you put up an article about how much you hate Discovery and how woke it is and how gay it is, You're getting a million clicks put up at a post how much you like it. No one cares. I think people are more apt to say what they hate than to say what they don't. So there's that this particular movie upheld the rule of mine that always seems to happen when I like a character, they kill them off.

46:36 So one of my favorite characters, the character I was most excited for, the character I really wanted to see, was mel the Delton. We haven't seen a Delton since Star Trek the Motion Picture as a major character. All of our fans pointed out the million vulcans of Deltons that we saw walking through the hallway sitting in a chair on Star Trek Picard, but those were just passing vulcans, not a main character that we actually were going to learn anything about. So I was really excited to see what Adelton, who didn't take an oath of celipacy in Starfleet like Ileiah did, how they would handle themselves as a spy, Like are they gonna throw sex hormones at people?

47:17 How are they gonna do this? I never got the chance, guys, because they killed her off in the first big fight scene, and I was bummed. I was like, oh, my favorite character, she's dead. So that disappointed me. I hate it, and I don't use that word A lot of guys. So that freaky, dorky, dinky vulcan smiling dude annoyed the living crap out of me. I don't know why they came, and what kind of accent was that Irish an Irish vulcan. I don't even know what he was, but he annoyed me. Couldn't stand him. And then he had the little men in black alien living inside of his head. What the hell?

47:59 They couldn't have come up with something better? That just annoyed me. Didn't like that at all. Yeah, that's enough of that. And the mechanical suit guy, how ridiculous. He reminded me of the Incredible Hulk, like in the Avengers Hulk Smash and he's running through walls and all this stupid ridiculous stuff when they could have beamed there all right, So that annoyed me quite a bit. Actually, I wasn't upset when they killed him at all. And when they killed the dorky vulcan guy, I was very happy until his wife showed up at the end with her million little egg lings or whatever they were. So having said that, I enjoyed the movie. I found it to be a fun action adventure and I really, really liked the cameloid guy.

48:49 I thought he was really cool, and alec Alanik what was his name? The leader of the section three was al Okay. I think it was a lock. I got the impression that him and Georgio had this little pseudo thing going on, because there was one scene where they were holding hands, and I got the distinct feeling. I know that they said that they rewrote the script. I know that they said they turned it into a movie, but I gotta be honest with you. To me, this felt like a pilot episode for an ongoing series. It didn't feel like a one and done, cut and dry movie. It felt like there was gonna be more, and whoever rewrote it or re edited it just did a terrible job at making it feel like a one and done movie, because it really really felt like, here's an introduction of these characters. Here's the station, here's the world, here's where Georgio is, here's what's going on, and we're gonna go on with this again, which we know they won't. So I felt that it could have been rewritten a little bit better than it was to be more of a standalone movie. I jumped off my couch. However, when Jamie Lee Kerr showed up at the end, I was like, oh my god, Jamie Lee Curtis and I could clearly tell at that point that they intended for it to be more so Unfortunately. Yeah, I thought it was great if you guys watched Discovery before Carl aka the Guardian

50:20 of Forever sends Georgio back back from Discovery time to hear He tests her and one of the big regrets that she has is with a character named Son, And unfortunately Discovery was canceled. We never got to learn about Son, hear about Son, know anything about Son, but now we do. We find out who he is, we find out her regret about what happened with him and murdering her family, and I thought that that added so much more to the background of that character and her redemption arc that we watched on Discovery. So I thought that actress that played young Georgio wiping out her family did a phenomena job, really good. Yeah, so that's what I think. I'm going to give this a six. I'm going to double what the fans gave it. And yeah, so that's my take on it. That's what I liked, That's what I didn't like, and we'll turn it over to Paul because Paul's next on my camera lineup, and we'll just go down the line.

51:22 So Paul take it away. Thanks Uncle Jim. Sorry I missed the beginning of your review there. I had an issue come up to deal with there. So yeah, so let's talk about this section thirty one. I just want to say, friends, audience members here at the end of January two thousand and twenty five, you know, we're kind of moving into some really dark times. It feels like I would say a pretty you know, objective statement, right, and so the last thing I want to try to do is to convince anybody to turn their back on something that gives them joy. That's not what I'm about, right. It's just like, if you were able to watch this movie and enjoy it and have fun with it, awesome. I am thrilled for you. I think that's great.

52:21 Right. Art is really subjective, right. Some people can look at like Garnica and they think it's a mess. They don't get it. Other people drop their knees and weep, right, So it's a very subjective thing. You know, we've been hearing all the build up to this movie for a while, and it's it's pretty clear this was a TV series that didn't get the green light to become a series and got you know, cannibalized into becoming you know, a movie if you will, right with still leaving the dangling open ended ending for potential just in case, you know, for some you know, long shot possibility that it was well received and they go, we changed our mind, maybe we will get right green light a season for it. Right, But I gotta be frank, I just thought this was just.

53:11 Awful. I mean, it's one of the worst made for TV movies I've seen in the eternity. It has, other than the fact that there is a character in it that we know has previously been in Star Trek and we hear mentioned of Star Fleet, there's virtually nothing to do with Star Trek, and in terms of what the story is at all at all, I mean, it was like, you know, it just starts name checking. You know, I'm not even gonna dignify it by calling them homages. Really, it's just a ripping off every other movie that you could possibly imagine. Jim's mentioned quite a few of them. I gotta say, the opening scene, you know, the flashback prologue with young Georgio right, and her trial even know, it's like super super high. Have you heard of a thing called the Hunger Games. I mean it's you know, it's total hunger games, right, But that was actually fairly decent.

54:11 I was like, wow, this is what she does to her family. It's pretty graphic and shocking. I was like, maw, this maybe a little darker than I was expecting. Okay, let's hang in there. Really about the only decent sequence in the picture, I would say, because after that it just went plummeting down and it was just like you just you're you're literally watching movies there cannibalizing. As the show continues, Guardians of the Galaxy Mission Impossible, Jim mentioned Men in Black with the little alien living in there. Right, it's just mind numbing. It was like it felt, you know, no offense to Craig Sweeney, who's you know, the screenwriter here. I'm sure that a lot happened to this script and this editing that we'll never know, right, But I just the way it comes across is comes across as an incredible adolescent, infantile story. Right. For me, one of the things I cannot abide in science fiction is when the writers decide to pepper all of the dialogue with very current idioms and figures of speech, right that are going to quickly become outdated, And it just takes you out of the movie. And for me, the moment when the record needle script you know, just scratch so loudly, I practically you know died was when Dotta Know is being interrogated and he says, does that come with fries? I mean,

55:41 come on, guys, I mean you're taking us right back into the twentieth century. Here is ridiculous, right, and it is just full of you know, contemporary snark and meme speak all the way through the dialogue, right, don't get your prime directives in a bunch wh chaos is my friend with benefits. Rachel Garrett says, what evs? What evs? In a Star Trek movie? I love that for us. And there's your mama joke at the very end of the frickin thing, your mama joke? Are you kidding me? I mean it was just embarrassingly bad, embarrassingly bad for me, right, I mean, if other people like it, I think it's wonderful.

56:28 I'm thrilled that you're able to. It is just not my cup of tea. I do not like this kind of storytelling. I don't like it's so I get this a lot from director Olatunde Osunsanmi, right, because I see this in a lot of his Discovery episodes, right, a lot of camp that passes for humor, A huge amount of camp, right, which I think is really kind of tanking the direction that Star Trek should be going. It's never it's really difficult to take it seriously. And we see the camp is just infesting Stranger in worlds now as well. I mean when they're walking down the hallway and they've all been turned into vulcans and it's funny. I mean, it's just too campy and over the top, man, I mean, what are you doing? What are you doing?

57:12 It's just like you're making some show. But it sure isn't Star Trek. I don't know what it is. You know, in the at the end, you know, the whole thing with Georgio and adult Son, right, there's this massively long winded fight scene. It's just exactly like that endless kickfight scene we saw with Michael Burnham and Mall at the You know finale of Discoveries last season. It's the same fight scene. Basically, it just grudgingly goes on and that super long sledge chase thing with the worst cgi I have ever in my life scene. I mean, it was just terrible, terrible. I mean, the one bright spot I noticed a front of the show David Benjamin Tollinson, I guess was the Andrian patron of the nightclub there. That was kind of fun to see. It's just like you're still keeping your hand in Star Trek. That's great. But I like the cambaloid character Quasi. I thought that was a good actor. I thought the woman who played Rachel Garrett, I thought she did a pretty good job. I thought Mel was awful. Dotta Know was awful. Control had no purpose there than to say, look, I recognize who Jamie Lee Kurt has his but served no purpose at all than like you know, fan, you know recognition and I got Echo Jim the Lucky Charms Vulcan fuzz. I believe it was a character name. I mean, that is one of the most embarrassing moments in all of Star Trek history, right, I mean, it makes Star Trek five look like King

58:43 Lear No offense to Star Trek five, but it was just embarrassing. So I had a really bad reaction to this movie. I thought it was incredibly infantile and insulting and just a real bad you know, if you're really looking to sort of like, you know, put the shovel on Star Trek at Paramount Plus and you know, kill it, you know, I really think, frankly, the best thing that could happen to Star Trek at this point is if they, you know, said bye bye, Alex Kurtzman, You're out right and have a whole new aesthetic and a different group of people take over. Because where it's going, I just I'm really the endless camp and correctness and just annoying writing has got to stop. It's just really turning me off.

59:32 So for me, I feel like I'm being generous. I'm gonna give it a three out of ten. Okay, I'm going to give it a three. I hope I never have to watch this picture again. It was an incredibly depressing slog for me. I'm sorry. I'm sure if people are able to enjoy it, that's fabulous. I'm so glad for you. I wish I could. It's just not my thing. All right, Eric, well, can you get to follow up? Paul buddy take it away? Cool? Well, I guess I'll start out by saying it was better than the five hours I wasted on Rebel Moon. But yeah, okay, so Charles brought up a good thing, and he'll probably talk more about this when it's his turn, but he brought up a good thing in chat, which was that he I believe and I kind of felt this way too. It was like an action you know, Star Trek move or an action movie with Star Trek elements, but definitely.

1:00:31 Not a Starfleet movie. And every Star Trek that we've had so far has been kind of set against this backdrop of a greater organization that's kind of there, you know, running the show and keep keeping people's morals in check and that. Sort of stuff. Right off the bat, I not only did I not believe that any of these people could possibly be except for maybe a Locke could actually be part of a secret organization like Section thirty one, I didn't. I just didn't believe any of the other people as potential operatives. Maybe the cameloid guy, like he probably was one of the better characters. But but okay, so there's that, you know they did.

1:01:16 I didn't. I didn't believe that they were Section thirty one. The idea though, that Mirror Giorgio had created this deadly thing that somehow found its way back to the prime universe, and that was the thing that they had to kind of deal with. I liked that as a premise. I kind of thought, Okay, here's a piece of her past kind of coming back to haunt her. It's a mess that she created that she has to clean up now, So okay, I can get into that as a as a storyline. You know, there's nothing really wrong with that. The idea of kind of having Rachel Garrett there as the conscience of Starfleet, like somebody to sort of watch over what they were doing. Doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose of Section thirty one. In fact, they actually say at the beginning in their little uh I remember what they called them, but it was like communication number one, communication number two. So the first communication was something like, you know, Starfleet can't go there, and so we're gonna send Section thirty one. And so what do they do.

1:02:19 They send Section thirty one plus one start fleet members. So they sort of like broke their own rule right off the bat there. It was nice to find out where they sent Georgio because up until now we didn't know what time period she got sent back to. So this one, I believe is set like about forty years before next Generation, so that in that zone where we haven't had a story before. So you know, I don't think that you can really tell it's in there because we don't have any ship designs that we recognize, or you know, any technology that's any different from anything we've ever seen. So I just kind of had to trust that people would go look up the star date on Google and figure out when this thing was set, or they would read an article that would tell them when the thing was set. So that, I mean interesting that it was set then, but they didn't really do anything with that fact. Didn't really tell me anymore about the time period, which I guess is fine. It was, you know, obviously, as you guys have already said, something that was kind of cannibalized down to a two hour movie that was originally designed to be something else. I have to say I couldn't agree with Paul Moore on the things that took me out of the story. I mean, so right at the beginning, there's the there's the like planet where young Georgio is and there's a windmill that's spinning and the windmill is like covered with like fabric that just has holes in, thinking to myself that windmill would literally

1:03:54 never spin with that's it, And what the reason that that's important. I know that seems like maybe a little taky tacky, but I think the reason that that's important is that people who are really into Star Trek are kind of used to this idea of believable trechnobabble. Right. We we have all convinced ourselves that yes, okay, warp drive is fictitious, but we can come up with a pseudo explanation for it, and so therefore it's like pseudo scientific. So disbelief, right yeah, yeah, basic science fictionure suspension, just believe. Yeah right. But you know, it's just like you're like a windmill, like you're saying, You're like, oh, you just know, some dude on the set just like there's a really cool little.

1:04:38 So so the windmill was kind of like I was like, oh, geez, all right, is this what it's going to be? Like the language thing that Paul mentioned, you know, the At one point the Cameloids says something like this is straight up shit, man, and it's like, okay, there's all the pop music that's sort of. You know, goes throughout it. I mean, I I love it when they give us kind of instruments and stuff that we're that we know exist out there, but they do it in a different way. And to me it just sounded like, I don't know, like a Taylor Swift album or something. All of the music in this thing. So it didn't I was very unimpressed with the musical choices, I have to say, very very super puppy. So the opera singer they had in her club was like straight out of the Fifth Element right when.

1:05:23 They had there was a lot. Of familiar elements, like you said, like a lot of familiar elements from other movies and that that kind of stuff. I kind of have to agree with the Vulcan, you know, the microkin Vulcan. And when he's when he's laughing to death in the club, I'm thinking to myself, why did they make his character of I kept thinking he was going to be like I'm actually a romulent or something, you know, just some sort of explanation as to why a vulcan would be sitting there. I mean, if you're supposed to be a secret spot dressed as a vulcan and you're laughing yourself out loud and you're not drunk as hell, then something's zums off. I don't know. Cover yeah, yeah, I don't know. Okay, So.

1:06:08 That's a bunch of stuff that I didn't like, with maybe a little bit of stuff that I liked. So let me let me talk to just a little bit more about things that I did like. So the humor, Okay, I get that some of the humor, most of the humor is kind of juvenile and kind of throw away humor. However, there were jokes that made me laugh, and I liked that they were able to take this kind of dark, dark thing like Paul was talking about and maybe add these elements of ridiculousness to it and add these elements of humor that did make me laugh out loud. So I liked that. I also liked in general that to me, it kind of had a little bit of a a B movie Ocean's Eleven sort of feel to it, you know, with like the gang's got to get together and do a thing.

1:06:53 So so that that part of it was good. You know, I think I need to make I would like to watch it personally one more time to just kind of double check my initial thoughts on it. The let me talk just a little bit about the Alet character. So to find out that he was an augment. I'm really confused now about the augments and Star Trek tell you the truth because Okay, so he says that he's three hundred and fifty years old. They comes from the twentieth century. Great when that line was originally used back in Space Seed, the nineties were in the future, and so there was this idea that the eugenics wars could still happen. All of the other Star Trek that we've had so far that has gone beyond that has kind of been a little bit more ambiguous about when the unigenics wars actually happened or if they happened, and so there was kind of always this idea of like, Okay, they still could have happened the way that they said, but like, you know, it just didn't. They just don't talk about it so much anymore. This guy straight up said the eugenics war is I'm from the twentieth century. And we know that we didn't have the Eugenics Wars. So what it did for me was it took Star Trek out of the realm of being our possible future, and it took it into the realm of being a future that's out there and probably is associated with some other timeline or something, you know what I mean, It just like it didn't.

1:08:22 It's no longer my hopeful future. It's like a hopeful future that's out there. And to me, that disconnected me from Star Trek. It disconnected me personally from Star Trek. I've always thought of Star Trek as okay, man, like, once we have World War three, things are going to get better, you know. And I don't know now that I know the Eugenics Wars happened in this timeline in the twentieth century, there's just no way for me to resolve that in my head. And once again, that plays with the intelligence and the trechnobabble that I think fans who have been watching for fifty years have have come to expect. So anyway that it has the discovery aesthetic, which I like in general, it unfortunately also has the discovery flame cannons all over the place, which I kind of get tired of after a while. So but okay, I know I keep going negative, but but you know, there were some great character moments I thought in here every once in a while, and as I said, the kind of ridiculous humor lent this sense of lightness to a very very dark story. I did think Georgio, or excuse me, Michelle Yo, did a good job with what she was given with the script here. She's a little I've always found like mirror Georgio to be a little bit of a mustache twirling villain kind of thing in general, even when she was in Discovery. But she did a good job. I mean, she acted the heck out of this.

1:09:51 The long fight scene didn't really bug me. I liked it way better than the mall and whatever their face is one that we talked about before. I thought it was a better fight scene than that one personally. And you know, even though it was kind of one of those you know, as I said, wasn't upon a time in Hollywood, I get that, you know. I liked the Jamie Lee Curtis thing. When she popped in, I was like, oh shit, that's Jamie Lee Curtis, And I was I was into that. So I was confused about who Control was in this time period because I had to like start kind of Okay, let me see, in the past, Control was an AI and then they defeated it in the future and then so, but she's Control, but she's a human and she looks kind of like a borg. So there was just a lot of kind of like mental gymnastics that I was trying to play to kind of figure out who she was and why she was a human and why she looked like a boorg. So I don't know, I want to watch it again. I did not think it was the most awful movie of all time. I really, I really didn't like it. I think in general, I had fun.

1:10:56 There was a ton of stuff that took me out of the story, and ton of stuff that I would say was pretty non tricky. But I don't know, I generally didn't entirely hate it. So it's not going to move up the list as like my favorite movie of all time at all. But I'll give it a I'll give it a five, like I'm gonna I'm gonna watch it one more time. High budget B movie, Okay, I'll go for it. It has some charm to it that I can't deny for myself, so so I give it a five. Let me ask you a question, guys or Eric, I don't care anybody. When when Giorgio and Alec were beating the crap out of data, No, and he says, in the mirror universe a ion storm opened, actually two ion storms open, and they converged. Did you not think to yourself, oh my god, the guy in the mask is going to be Lorca. Did that not enter your mind?

1:11:57 It absolutely did, and then it wasn't. And I'm like, I said, oh my god, if they are bringing if this is how they bring back Lorca, I'm going to shit a solid gold brick right here in my living room at three o'clock in the morning. That was pretty cool because that's exactly how Larca disappeared on Discovery and it turned out not to be. But for a second, did you not think it was going to be Lorca? I did? I sorted, I, yeah, all right, David, well you're you're up next, buddy, take it away to Mike. Is yours all right? Well? Yeah? Yeah. To answer that question, No, I did not think it was gonna be Lorca because I knew right away. It was very obvious it was gonna be Shan.

1:12:44 The moment that this change started playing, there's people watching on this video. You just know that the backstory of Shan was going to come back, and it was just going. To be a. Yeah anyways, Yeah, Louca did not pop in my mind at all. So now, but yeah, so I'm gonna go over the lake really quick and then I'll go over the bad So I did like the beginning. I was really intrigued. I actually enjoyed the beginning. I thought there was a really interesting backstory and the fact that they played it out in the town universe that they were supposed to be, you know, backcabbing cut through pirates in a way. To me, I was just like, Okay, this has starting out pretty good. I thought it was gonna be a really good movie, and it turns out, yeah.

1:13:42 Not so much. The uh I think it started really falling down for me once the that big fight scene in the bar, right after Georgia foot got stuck in the wall for some odd reason. They didn't explain that very well. But yeah, from that point on, it was just like, oh, here comes a cliff, and then yeah, I just started falling. So to me, I did like a lot of the characters. I'd like Jeordi two point zero. You know, I thought it was really cool to come Lloyd. I really enjoyed what's her face? The Dalton Lady. I thought she did a pretty good job, especially that whole fight scene. When she died, I was actually surprised. I was like, whoa, they actually killed a character off. I thought everybody was going to end very happily, but nope, So that that kind of intrigued me a little bit more about the show continuing. And then when she died, I was just like, did you guys not see the look on her face when she got Babe Rice.

1:14:54 David? That's because I liked the character. So that's the number one rule of Star Trek. If Jim likes the character, they got to kill. Okay, that's just the way. She did such a good job with the facial expression that she mentioned that she did on her face when she got killed, because it's like she really wanted to stay in that movie, but they killed her office. But yeah, so I thought that was really cool. The other thing I really liked was the whole mole situation. I actually like mystery movies and trying to figure out who done it kind of thing is kind of my thing. So I was trying to figure out for the life of me who the mole was. For the longest time. I actually thought it was Jeff, that big huge holkn Bok cyboard guy, and I was like, Okay, that's interesting. I thought that would have been a better pick than the micro nanoborg looking alien.

1:15:54 But yeah, I have. To say that the first part of the movie actually got me hurt. It started out great, ended really bad, and it's just from that point on I have to agree with Eric and Paul on here. Well, that the the writing, the way that they were using today's language, which like why did they do that? What? But other than that, the whole fight scene in the bar with Shan before he revealed himself, of course, uh that the I actually kind of enjoyed that, And I actually thought Michelle Yo, which actually pretty good at fighting, which is in this movie the only good fight scene that she was in. And I've cleaned why later once I get to the bad part. But the idea that the okay, you guys keep explaining, like you know, keep putting you out there, that they keep reusing the over and over.

1:17:00 I mean, what film nowadays hasn't been doing it. There's a lot of films out there that keep taking like the good versus bad, you know, fighting out and hoping that somebody survived at the end, which apparently from Mel apparently did not make so. Uh, it's just that they do that a lot with any movies really, so, but getting ahead of myself here, So yeah, the other good thing was that I'm trying to remember here, I can't really think of any other moments to the bad. Yeah.

1:17:42 So my very worst scene throughout the entire movie was that alien doll that excluded at the end killing out that micro organism who apparently, I'm not surprised. I'm surprised at the Borg have not assimulated to them yet. But what the heck? They just said that that particular toy was banned from the Federation because of the battery, and yet somehow the toy was speaking English. What why was he speaking in their own language when it comes from an alien planet? Were apparently, I guess we're English speaking Aliens.

1:18:28 I like, okay, that's weird. But yeah, so that whole thing kind of threw me off. That really took me out of the story right there. I was just like, what the heck why? But the other bad thing too, is that the predictability of of course them being revealing the bad guy as San saw or whatever you say it. I thought he was a really poor villain. I actually thought he did not. I mean, for the actor, I'm sure he did as much as they could he could do with what he was dealing with. But the whole sequence when he was when Georgia was remembering the past of like, you know, how did the bomb get here when he had apparently I guess faked his death somehow, so.

1:19:30 He developed a resistance to ayacane powder is how he did it? Okay, yeah, no one checked polstage then what that whole thing was just like okay, yeah he dad throw him out to the air lock. Wait whatever, Ah, I don't know. Yeah, the story definitely took a turn to the point where it was just like getting worse and worse and it went on. Oh that was a good thing. I couldn't mention. That picture just reminded me liked of technology. I thought it was really good. The vibrating sequence were it just left physical reality. Although the worst part of that that is widened that to go all the way to the floor, and if if, if, if it was vibrating, why is there gravity anyway? What counts a gravity? Is it just the artificial plating? I guess I don't know. But to me, I don't know, It's just I thought it was a really cool idea. But yeah, So on the other turn of bad things happening, there was just so many I can't remember them all. I'm pretty sure child might come up with some of them, but or maybe when we talk about this again. But a lot of the scenarios when it comes to movies that have to deal with the light versus dark, this movie got pretty graphics. I

1:21:05 mean they ended up causing like horrific changes where Jojo face was getting pinned to the floor with the shore and I'm like, whoa, what it's just rated again? PG? Thirteen or is it rated? Are? I can't remember? Did anybody know? No? Okay? Yeah? Uh? Anyway, So I thought that would pretty graphic, especially for a younger audience. I mean, that can be pretty traumatizing. I can imagine seeing something like that, And to me, I don't know, this movie just got I agreed with a lot of what everybody was saying as far as like this happened? Why did this happen kind of thing, especially like the whole con universe situation. I'm not even sure myself explained to like why he had to become a what do they call those superhuman people? Augment?

1:22:05 Here you go, Yeah, I don't know. Like I said, the beginning was really good. It just fell straight off from from there. Right after she kind of like got to put it back in the wall, I was just like, okay, here we go. But I'm not copying Paul whatsoever. And I had mentioned this to my dad even he will be my witness about what I had waited this movie before Paul even said three. And I am going to actually rate this three as well, to be honest. So we're just like, may not be the best, may not be the worst. Everybody had their opinion, but that to me, it just didn't fit well. And I give it a three.

1:22:48 I would probably go three point one just for the shake of section thirty one, but maybe three point oh five. There we go about that. Yeah, yeah, okay. Well, Charles, you get to bring up the caboose on somebody. The mic is yours, okay, and I was taking notes this whole time. Ah, somebody asked, I went and pulled up Paramount Plus. This is rated PG thirteen. Oh, need to make a comment in there? Hey, Ryan, how's it going?

1:23:30 Ryan gave this a five point five. Definitely a Monte Cruz from all Over. Good movie. Maybe a little time crunch with a movie timeline. Okay, let's go talk about some comments in there. Eric's torn windmill. I think the windmill kind of was representing the concept of it being a poor community. I think it was more just the reference that the community was poor and that's why it was well torn. They didn't really have much money to really have a good life. I thought the out of phase was an interesting concept. I think the phase I'm not sure how far they were out of phase, if it was in seconds or within a few minutes, but I liked that idea of using a phase device to keep somebody out, keep the device away from somebody, could you get them out of phase? It was interesting how I wonder if the phase device might have come from the Terran Empire, because Georgio a son both had it, so I wondered that's another device that the Terran Empire.

1:24:59 Empire came up with, Yeah, and just to clarify the phase thing, Charles so and they actually this is a reference to I don't remember which episodes of previous Star Trek, but basically the idea is that all matter in a universe vibrates at a certain frequency, and so their little devices were supposed to make their matter, like their own body matter, vibrate at a different frequency, which is then what gave them the ability to pass through things. It doesn't explain the gravity thing that David was talking about. It doesn't explain why we could still see them because light is a particle, and so in other Star Trek earlier on, when they vibrate at a different quantum signature, you literally can't see them. There's literally like an entirely different world that exists at that quantum signature coincident the world that we're in.

1:25:53 Well, there was an episode of TNG where Jordie and ensign Row phase shift and their visible and they don't sink through the walls. They gravity still affects them. I forgot I think anyways, it has on the president for that on Star Trek before this, well. You also had you also had the episode where Bricard was the other Bricard was out of phase and we're slowly moving into the same phase. Yeah. I think that, like Scotty says, I cannot changed it. As a physics, I think gravity is gravity regardless of what phase you're in. Gravity doesn't phase out. So but at any rate, continue Charles.

1:26:40 Okay, David's comment always speaking English, that toy was speaking English. No, the toy was speaking Common because the Common is the standard language within a chunk of the Federation. I think it's called Federation Standard. Federation Standard Common. But it's a language that we hear quite often. Universal Translator helps us get around it, but it's still a language heard quite often. Which can be spoken in the vacuum of space. Huh. And our mecguy, I almost wonder. He reminded me of board technology, and that was a little bit just odd.

1:27:32 I was like, Okay, we got somebody a secret agent, and yet he's almost like this big controlled borg outfit. A little strange. I think for that time period. The Vulcan, from what I understand the Vulcan is that was a robotic body and they just chose to create a vulcan. Maybe not the greatest choice, but they did I do rather agree with the crew. He did kind of drive me a little crazy. Er mech drove me a little crazy.

1:28:22 They were characters that were a little bit much at times. I think the fight scenes, some of the fight scenes I think went a little long. Oh And the comment to was, oh, well, we had to take a series and chop it to a movie. Well, the reason we had to take a written series and push it towards a movie is the Paramount is unable to keep Michelle Yo for several months to do a series. She's too much in demand, and this was her way of being able to still being in another episode and getting a chance to still doing more Star Trek. And I think with the Michelle Yo name, I think that's gonna help this series get a lot of attention. I've got a friend, I'm not sure how big of a Star Trek fan she is, but she definitely wants to see the movie.

1:29:43 So I'm curious how this movie is gonna do. It may get rating from Star Trek fans, and I think it may get a rating from everyone else. And I'm curious how Paramount's going to react to how this series, how this movie did. I think a lot of stuff was already mentioned. Our friend. Nate asked me what I rated this movie, and I kind of hemmed a halt at giving him a rating. And I think I'm gonna bring my rating down just a little bit, but not a lot. If he told him I was gonna give this one eight, I was debanding on a seven, but I think I'll push an e er. Sorry, Paul, and pushed to a seven point five.

1:30:39 I like the movie. I enjoyed myself. Hey, I think we got a direction, we got some discussion eugenics. Okay, let's I'd be love to know some some of his backstory. Yes, he was in Kryal for a while. Okay, what did happen? Because it's a big story that I would love to know more about. Oh the other notes, some may made a comment and somewhere that I read and I thought that was interesting. I started to read about it was the uh sur runs where we actually see one of them in this episode that is alive. Okay, then we never found out what happened to them. We expected them to die off with the last two. They'd say, the last two living and let us be your last battlefield if we have one. Here makes me wonder if somehow they were able to to bring back the society. But it looks like we may have some of them back, so I'd be curious of what happened there.

1:32:11 Can somebody remind me how that episode ends? Like do they do? They make it? They beam the two of them down the planet and they fight and the Enterprise flies away. Okay, so we don't know, But I. Don't think that they were the last of each of their respective races from Sharon. I don't think that that was spoken well, they were the last ones. They were sort of the last ones of that planet. Maybe others of their society, maybe others that's exciting existed away from the planet. I don't think that's how it went, but I could be mistaken. But yeah, I don't think they were the last two of their of their races. I don't think so, but I could be wrong, I think. But to look for there to be common sense for why they decided to show somebody from Sharon and this there's no reasoning behind it. It's like, I think, let's have one of those back and white guys because everyone who recognize that and it's cool, right Oda, I mean, there's no more reasoning than that. There's no backstory. It's just they're making just arbitrary decisions. Because what are what am I pulling out of the courtboard today? That's shiny and I will entertain myself with. I mean, this is not a well written show.

1:33:22 I think the renay showed that race wood because they have planned on bringing that race back for future shows. That would be my guess. Well, I forgot to mention I thought the garbage scou thing was funny when all they had was wash. All we have is garbage and uh, tractor beams to throw garbage. I thought, Okay, that's pretty cool. I never thought about how they collect garbage in the world of Star Trek. Well now we know they have giant garbage scowls that have tractor beams that collect the garbage and they hurl it into radioactive voids just to disintegrate. You know that did that based off of the design of the Maylon vessels.

1:34:03 It's possible. It reminded me a little bit of the Millennium Falcon, just like when you it's got that asymmetry too. I mean, it wasn't round like just that it had that sort of asymmetry to it. And was was a hunk of junk. Yeah, literally, very Guidian Galaxy, you know very much. What's the overall fan what's the overall score from us versus the fans? Well, with the fans giving a three point one, I think the host liked it just a little better, giving it a five. Five. All right, cool, Well, before we go on, I forgot to mention about the fight Shane in the last part of the movie. Did anyone else think of that whole scene when she would trying to get that blade off of her face. It's just somehow gets into the neck of Sean. What would that?

1:35:00 That was her reverse Kung Fu wax on wax off move that mister Miyagi taught her. You know, I just thought it was kind of weirdness. Just it just happened so quick. It was like, Okay, it didn't really clain that. But not to disrespect anybody, I didn't, just maybe just I wanted like it. But all right, so there you have it, guys, And uh, we have to move on here really quick to our Star Trek birthdays.

1:35:45 That was not a cleon song. All right. We like to start off our Star Trek Birthdays every week by remembering those members of our Star Trek family who, sadly enough, are no longer with us, and for that we turned to Eric. Yeah Jim. This week our remembrance goes out to actor Gregory Sierra, the American actor who played n Tech in the DS nine third season episode Second Skin. He also played Detective Sergeant Channo Amenguale on Barney Miller back in the seventies. Also known for his recurring role on the comedy series Stanford and Son back in the days. A few movies to his credit here and there, probably the most notable being The Towering Inferno from nineteen seventy four. He also appeared in two spoofs from director Jim Abrams, Hot Shots Part Due in nineteen ninety three and Jane Austen's Mafia in nineteen ninety eight. Gregory Sierra lost just back in twenty twenty one at the age of eighty three years old.

1:36:43 Happy birthday to him. Happy Birthday as well to Arnold Moss, the actor who played Anton Caradin aka Codos, the executioner in the TOS first season episode The Conscience of the King. Got a lot of backstory on that character in the Drastic Measures book from dayton Ward that we reviewed a few years ago when it first came out. Arnold Moss first began his career back in Broadway in the nineteen thirties, and he kept doing Broadway in musicals and work of that sort up through the fifties and even into the seventies. He kind of got into movies in the early seventies, but really was known more as a character actor on several television series back in the sixties and seventies, all the ones that you've heard of Rifleman, Man from Uncle Time, Tunnel, etc.

1:37:30 So Arnold Moss lost back in nineteen eighty nine. Happy Birthday to him. Happy birthday as well to Jean Paul Vignon, the actor who portrayed Edward in The Next Generation first season episode where We'll Always Have Paris. Jean Paul was born in Ethiopia, actually of a French father and an Italian mother, and made a ton of records as a singer back in the day. He even went up to number thirty two on the Top forties chart back in nineteen sixty four with the song Don't Cry, Little Girl. As an actor, he starred in two films in France and in Hollywood. He appeared in several television series like The Rockford Files, La Law Murder. She wrote Colombo and The Gilmour Girls. So Jean Paul Vignon just lost last March twenty twenty four at age eighty nine years old.

1:38:23 Happy birthday to him, and last but not least, on our remembrance list, this week we have David Opatoshu. David Opatoshue born David Opatowski was the actor who played Anon seven in the TOS first season episode A Taste of Armageddon. What a Great Episode. In nineteen sixty four, Opatashue was considered by Gene Roddenberry the role of doctor Phil Boyce for The Cage. He was actually cast for an unspecific role in Star Trek The Next Generation, but fell ill and the part was recast. He enjoyed a career that spanned over five decade, aids almost one hundred television guest appearances and forty five movie and television roles. He knew Yiddish and often played Jewish or Arabic characters, and prior to his track appearance, he co starred with Scotti himself James Dewin in an episode of the Twilight Zone entitled Valley of the Shadow. David Opatashu lost back in nineteen ninety six at seventy eight years old. Happy Birthday to him, and that does it for our remembrances this week, guys.

1:39:31 So I'm going to pass my flaming birthday candle over to Charles. Thank you, Eric. Let's say when I wore my Happy Birthday to Richard Poe, actor known for the Trail of Evk in Star Trek Next Generation, Deep Space nine and Star Trek Voyager. Happy Birthday, Catherine Lee Scott, actress had played Narita in Star Trek Nexturation thursdayson episode Who Watches the Watchers, one of my favorite The Next Generation episodes. Happy Birthday Tracy Mindor, actress who played Torah Zaiyelle in Star Trek Deep States nine's four season episode for the Cause, Have Your Birthday to Susan Thompson, actress who played the Boy Queen and Star Trek Voyagers episodes Dark Frontier, Uni Make Zero and You Make Zero Part two last on my list, Happy Birthday or The Comings. It's an actor who played Lieutenant Christopher in the fourth and fifth seasons of Discovery, and I'm gonna pass a fleming birthday candle over to Paul.

1:40:53 Thank you, Charles, appreciate that. So let's get rolling here for the month of January. Mia Kirshner is having a birthday. Kershner is, of course, Canadian actress who played Amanda Grayson in the first and second seasons of Startreek Discovery and also on an episode of Strange New Worlds. Funny as that may be, he's a little crossover action there for the character. Happy birthdare To Saya Batton, actress and dancer, played tore Zayal in the Deep Space nine fourth season episodes Indiscretion and Returned to Grace. Also played Irena in the Voyager seventh season episode Drive and Navar in the Enterprise fourth season episode Bound, So all over the franchise there, Saia Baton, good work for you and wonderful, wonderful to be able to celebrate this individual. Very happy birthday, indeed, now at the ripe old age of eighty four, to the still healthy and haled James Cromwell, veteran veteran actor who made several appearances throughout Star Trek and of course best known to us for playing the motion picture iteration of zephyreim Cochrane in First Contact. Okay, but if you want to dive deep into James Cromwell's career, of course, there's the George Miller picture Babe, that I think will always endear hand with folks. He was in The Green Mile as the Warden, and if you really want to see him turn on the fireworks there and play a

1:42:25 real bad guy. Check out La Confidential. If you've not seen that. That's one of the best cop movies of all time. La Confidential is great and Cromwell is phenomenal in it. We love him. He's awesome. Happy birthday, mister Cromwell. Happy birthday to Darryl Henriquez, actor played Portal sixty three in Star Trek Next Generation first season episode of The Last out Post and Ambassador Nankless in The Star Trek six The Undiscovered Country. I have no idea who Ambassador in Nancles was. Some will have to google that one for me. There And finally, and this one sounds very familiar. I feel like I did this a week or zwo ago.

1:43:05 I don't know what's going on there, but a very happy birthda indeed to Gillian Wigman is the American comic actress who voices Doctor ta Anna on Lower Decks, who we love on that show. And I'd be ready, frankly for a whole Doctor to Anna series. I'd be totally down with that. I think that would be great. But that's what I got. And let's spin the calendar page over to Uncle Jim. Why thank you so much, Paul. I want to say Happy birthday to deep Roy. Deep Roy is an actor and stuntman who played the role of Keisner in Star Trek two thousand and nine, Star Trek Into Darkness, and Star Trek Beyond. But you probably didn't know is he also played Yoda and the Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi. When Yoda was walking, he was actually inside the Yoda costume when Yoda was He also played one hundred and sixty five Uba Lubas and Charlie in The Chocolate Factory and Surprise Surprise. He started one of my favorite movies, flash Ah. He played Fellini, Princess Aura's little pet that walked around on the little chain. So happy birthday to deep Roy. We also want to say happy birthday to Tammelin to Meeta. She's a Japanese American actress who played Commodore Oh in the first season of Star Trek Picard. You may also recognize her from The Karate Kid. Maybe you recognize her from Babylon Five. She

1:44:40 gets around, Happy birthday to Tammelin, to Meeta, and now it's time to get into some Klingons. I always save the Klingons for last. We want to say Golong to actor Chad Heywood. He's the actor who played Kakaf in Star Trek Voyagers third season episode Real Life. We also want to say couplat to Susan Howard. She's the American actors who played Mara, the first female Klingon on Star Trek in the original series third season episode The Day of the Dove. And last, but definitely not least, we want to say happy birthday in Kapla to Jorge Gutz.

1:45:21 He's the writer, director and producer and the actor her voice. I think it was doctor crouve On in Star Trek Prodigy second season episode A triple called Quest. I think he was a doctor or a scientist. Guys, am I right here? I think so sounds right? Yeah, yeah, I think scientist definitely science, Yeah, a scientists. Kling On scientists. They do exist, because we just saw one. He was experimentalist. Yeah, there you go, there you go. And uh with that, guys, that wraps up our Start Trek birthdays. And I think I think we have time for a new story or two, do we not?

1:46:07 We do? I think we can squeak. We want to let Eric go because Eric's got to do some intense partying in Vegas. So I think this story, yeah, this story was a holdover from last week. So let's get this story out of the way and we'll take it from there. So here's our Star Trek News Interet. Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on secure channel. Incoming transmission enter authorization code, command codes verified. Define parameters of program level nine authorization required, specifying parameters. Transfer updata is complete. A blank alert, A blank alert.

1:46:49 Okay, Eric, the mike is yours. All right? Calm Meani. That's right, Chief O'Brien himself to get the Irish Academy Lifetime Achievement ward, I was truly shocked. The Star Trek The Next Generation and Star Trek Deep Space nine actor says about the honor Irish actor col Meani from both of those shows, as well as in the Land of Saints and Sinners will receive the Irish Academy Award for Lifetime Achievement for his outstanding contribution to the Irish and international screen industry. The Irish Film and Television Academy said to say, I was surprised when I got the news that the IFTA wanted to give me this award would be an understatement. I was truly shocked. Meanie said, to be asked to join this long list of very illustrious previous recipients is a huge honor and I'm thrilled and looking forward to a good night in Dublin. IFTA lauded his career spanning five decades, noting that it has seen him work with renowned filmmakers including John Houston, Robert Redford, Michael Mann, Jim Sheridan, Neil Jordan and Alan Parker, Warren Batty, and Ron Howard, and alongside such actors as Al Pacino, Tom Cruise, Denzel Washington, Daniel Day, Lewis, Nicole Kidman, Russell Crowe, Bruce Willis and Jelickie Houston, Hugh Grant, Nicholas Cage, John Malkovich, Julie Waters, Brian Cox, Samuel l Jackson, James con Bert Reynolds, Patrick Stewart, and Michael Gambon, to name just a few.

1:48:24 Mean. He received the award at the twenty second IFTA Awards ceremony, which took place Friday, February fourteenth at the Dublin Royal Convention Center. Wait a second, Wait a second, is this new story from the future, because Friday the fourteenth of February hasn't happened yet. Man, I think it's supposed to say January. Yeah, Okay, I'm just very confused with the way time behaves on this show. We got this news right about in the middle of January or so, so I think that's January fourteenth at the Dublin Royal Convention Center. But wow, I mean, I am not a real knowledgeable necessary about Irish film, but I will say that I think pretty much every single person who ever watched Star Trek loves Chief O'Brien, Like there's nothing not to like about this guy. He is the guy who gets it done when he needs to get done, and not even he's like an enlisted man, right, He's like not an officer of any kind. And I just I love him so much and I'm just really glad that he was able to receive what he honestly obviously considers to be a very important award.

1:49:29 I think that's awesome for him. So great, that's true. Yeah, and I think we have I think we have a story here. I threw this story in here just for Paul. I thought this would be of interest to Paul. I think we have time to squeeze this one last one in. What do you think, Paul? Oh, sure, I'll take a crack at it. Man though, full disclosure and not a big Lego guy however, No, I'm the Lego guy. Yeah, that's that's not my jam. But you know I still I dabble. I dabble a little bit in the occasional while Lego but honest Lego Leaks set Leaks of twenty twenty five is here, and Lego Star Trek is going to release The USS Enterprise d estimated release date is November twenty eighth. That's pretty specific for an estimated release date twenty twenty five, assuming we still have civilization then Lego Star Wars has been around for like over a quarter of a century already.

1:50:28 The theme had a massive celebration for its quarter century anniversary last year. It's a staple for the Lego in the twenty first century, But where is Star Wars pseudo space rival Star Trek lost to the void of the Great unknown? Apparently, despite being one of the biggest intellectual properties in the history of Hollywood, Star Trek has never received in a visual Lego set until now this Black Friday, the nightmare might finally be over. And Black Friday was like, what four months ago? I think? So well, are we talking about twenty twenty five? Okay, Wow, I gotta do some editing next time I get on air. Before I read these stories like I was expected to begin its journey exploring strange new worlds with the release of the USS Enterprise D. That's right, instead of kicking things off of the ship from the original series, it appears that the first Lego Star Trek build is the Enterprise D from the next generation. We're unsure whether this will go over well with fans or not, but perhaps Lego has bigger plans for the future of this partnership that notwithstanding, the possibilities of the collaboration between Lego and Star Trek are endless, and you can bet your bottom dollar the release of the set will crush websites come midnight after Thanksgiving. M let's see if that's true. I think probably the reason that they started with the Enterprise d is because it has more pieces in it there but more money old school enterprise and you can have a larger set with more pieces because it's the bigger ship and therefore charge more money.

1:52:00 Well, I was going to say that they remember that we got the Playmobile like regular enterprise a little while ago, which was the multi hundred dollars other toy that's come out recently. But I will say that Legos are one of the only like investments you can make that is absolutely guaranteed to appreciate. Like as soon as you buy a Lego set and it's discontinued, the value of it just starts shooting up and up and up. And Blue Bricks has done what they could with the Star Trek Lego sets for a number of years, but you got to ship them over from Germany. Some of their designs are kind of clunky, some of their pieces are just a little lower quality than Legos. So I'm with Charles.

1:52:47 I'm a Lego guy, and I'm kind of excited about this, and it's going to be expenseless, but you know, I may spring for it. Yeah, I think going to have. We don't know, we don't know the scale yet. So it looks like it's gonna come with little people because I see little people of the pictures, many figs, mini figs. Okay, in the back with a mustache. That might Besley. It could be with a mustache. It doesn't like a Wesley crush or sweater and yeah. It does. Mustache on or screaming.

1:53:27 And I think he's screaming because he's, you know, being told to do something right, he's upset. You know, Wesley, what. A perfect card figure though, I mean, look, no Ham. Yeah, he's got a little it looks like a conehead actually. So anyways, guys, don't forget to go over to truck Talking dot Com and leave your question for Nick Meyer. He will be here next week. I'm kind of excited about that. So I want to say thank you everybody who's in the chat room. How many people do we have in the chat room tonight, Charles. Ah, we have to somebody did say who they were? And Ryan, so you got a mystery guest and. Ryan, Well, hello to the mystery guests and Ryan, thanks for joining us, and yeah, make sure you guys record your messages for Nick Meyer and tune in next week.

1:54:15 We're gonna have a lot of fun. I want to take this opportunity to say thank you to Paul for hanging out and Trek talking with us. Thank you so much, Paul. Yeah, it's fun. It's always interesting to see the different perspectives that folks have, right, and. You notice that unlike what you see on social media, all the name calling and stone throwing and slinging that we talked about section thirty one, and there weren't any swearing, There wasn't any fighting, there wasn't any name calling, and we are civilized human beings here on the podcast. And it wasn't a high score. So it's definitely not showing that we're paid by air amount. Yeah. Okay, so I got to tell you guys, somebody told me, sent me a message and told me that I'm obviously a shill, and then I'm getting paid by paramount to say that I like this crap and that I would like a turd that had Star Trek painted on the side of it. And I was like, wow, you fit that all into one text. You are a really intelligent person. Thank you for that. So yeah, unbelievable.

1:55:21 Some of the stuff that Star Trek fans will throw out there if you disagree with them, but we have none of that going on here. So and thank you so much to Eric for hanging out with us. I hope you have a good time at Vegas and you. I hope you win your tournament, your soccer tournament. Tomorrow. It's my daughter's volleyball tournament and I'm super excited to watch her. So yeah, thank you very much, and it was very nice to have a very civil discourse with you guys about this show. Now, how far are you from Charles? I don't know where Charles lives. How far am I from you? Charles? Mike rodably a couple of miles from the straining sphere anyway, it's not too far.

1:56:05 Yeah, right on the strip here, so. Yeah, you're up in the south end. Well ahead to all right direction when I go gaming tomorrow. Right on. Excellent, And thank you so much to David as usually did an excellent job putting together slide shows for I know that we worked on this right up until yesterday, so trying to get this all together for you guys. So Thank you so much, David, you're the miracle worker. Yeah, you're welcome. That last part of it, with that section thirty one strip that was really hard to put together at the very last minute, was like, oh no, they just got like a thousand more pictures. Of like that all popped up after we work.

1:56:45 But I was able to do it, and I'm glad you guys were able to enjoy it. Yep, you got it done. And of course, thank you so much to Charles for hanging out in trek talking with us. Thank you, Charles, Thank you. This was a great conversation. I love put on thirty one. A lot of fun, a lot of fun for sure, and I'm your most excellent host, Uncle Jim saying, everybody please stay safe and be good to each other. Star Trek fans are the best fans. You better remember that hailing frequencies are closed. Good night, everybody to prosper else all stations. I'm ready for departure, sir.

1:57:25 Some problem RCA. Just hoping this isn't the usual way our missions will go, sir, Oh no, number one. Actually most will be much more interesting. Let's see what's I'm there. That's a lot of legos