Sept. 27, 2024

David Benjamin Tomlinson - Linus on Star Trek Discovery - joins us Live

David Benjamin Tomlinson - Linus on Star Trek Discovery - joins us Live

Not only did he play Linus, but he also played a Klingon, Kelpian and young Su'Kal

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Season 4Star Trek DiscoverySpecial Guests

Uncle Jim and his Treksperts are joined by David Benjamin Tomlinson. Tomlinson is an actor and writer who played Linus in the second through fifth seasons of Star Trek: Discovery. He also played several other roles (usually aliens in heavy prosthetic makeup) in Star Trek: Discovery, Star Trek: Short Treks, and Star Trek: Strange New Worlds). He played Or'Eq in DIS: "The Vulcan Hello" and "Into the Forest I Go"), Klingon Player #1 in DIS: "Will You Take My Hand?", a Kelpien Villager in Short Treks "The Brightest Star" and DIS: "The Sound of Thunder", Cosmo Traitt in DIS: "That Hope Is You, Part 1", a Kelpien Servant in DIS: "Terra Firma, Part 1", Young Su'Kal in DIS: " That Hope Is You, Part 2", a Saurian diplomat in DIS: "All Is Possible",and Zus Tlaggul in SNW: "Ad Astra per Aspera".Call (646)668-2433 with your questions, Let's Fly!

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Show now, Well, good evening.

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Treki's and Trekkers around the Globe is Thursday night, September

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twenty six, twenty twenty four. It is seven thirty pm

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fingers do the walking and call trek Talking right now.

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have a hell of a show planning for you guys tonight. Unfortunately,

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we had to cancel this show a couple of weeks ago,

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but we got him back. We're gonna be chatting with

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lioness himself from Star Trek Discovery, David Benjamin Thomas, and

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he's going to be joining us in just a few

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minutes and we'll have the phone lines and you guys

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can chat, have your questions ready. It's going to be

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a blast. But before we get to that, I want

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to introduce to you guys in my awesome Trek Sperts

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and we'll start out in Las Vegas and we're gonna

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say hello to Charles. How you doing tonight, Charles, I'm.

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Doing all right. Talks and talk talking your mother nature

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made her mind.

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you that. And we also have out.

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Not the hurricane. It's effected, got nice falls last week.

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We're back downer this week.

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Wow wow. And we're going to swing out to Portland

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where I've got my trispectum, my triple play out there.

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And we'll start off with David. How you doing tonight?

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David, I'm doing pretty good. Pretty good. Hi you guys doing.

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How the world doing? That's a good question there.

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That that is the big question, that's the bigger question

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of the questions, and also, as I said out in Portland,

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we have our very own toy guy. How you doing, Paul?

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You know I'm doing well, brother, I'm doing well. Good

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to have you on here, good to be reunited on

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the air, and excited to have our guests.

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So it's good.

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Should be a fun night, get some good energy.

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Should be really fun. I'm looking forward. I've been looking

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forward to chatting with David for a while. I was

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disappointed that we had to cancel last time, so I'm

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looking forward to tonight and last but definitely a lot least.

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We almost had Uncle Eric tonight, but you guys are

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stuck with Uncle Jim. How you doing, Eric?

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I am doing really well. Luckily, I am an actual

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uncle in real life. So the fact that I had

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to potentially impersonate an uncle tonight, you know, it was

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kind of like a lateral move for me. It felt

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it felt okay, It felt okay, not gonna, not gonna lie.

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Was a little worried about the technology piece of it.

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But I'm super glad that we are on the air

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and rocking the ann rolling right now. Ready to talk

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some trick.

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Yeah, I just I just wanted to let you guys

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know that my father is doing better, which is good,

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which is why I'm able to be on the show tonight.

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I had everything set up to have Eric played a

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part of Gym tonight, but my father took a turn

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for the better, which is great, which made me be

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free to be on the show tonight. So I'm really

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excited about that. And I really appreciate, you know, all

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the good wishes and prayers that everybody sent. It means

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a lot to me, So thank you so much for that.

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And my father is you know what happened there, Jim

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was he he took a right at Albuquerque, which is

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the correct way to go when you're trying to get

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to Albuquerue. Right, he took a right, but instead of

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taking the.

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Left, that's exactly what he did. Yep, I took the road,

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but way.

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I'm not sure where that's rom, but that was like a.

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Joke recall from like three episodes ago.

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Sorry about that, Yes.

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Bud Bunny like bugs Bunny's digging underground and like he

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should have taken a Oh did I mix those up?

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He always says I should have taken a left at Albuquiki,

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And so that's what your dad did he took a

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left at Albuquiki instead, he took a left, so that's good.

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Before we get too far though, I want to let

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you guys know the schedule because we have a very busy,

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busy month coming up. So Michael Dante, who played Mob

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and the TS episode Friday's Child, he's going to be

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on with us on October third. October tenth is going

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to be our Prodigy super show. We have four episodes

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of Prodigy to cover, so October tenth we're going to

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cover all of Prodigy, and that's very important because October seventeenth,

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we're going to have the man himself, Aaron Walke right

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here to take your questions, the writer and producer from

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Star Trek Prodigy. So he's going to be on with

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us on October seventeenth, so have all your Prodigy questions ready.

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And on October twenty fourth, we're gonna have John Simpson,

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the young Serik from Star Trek five to Final Frontier,

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as you guys know, my favorite movie and the best

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Star Trek movie ever, and he's going to be on

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with us on October twenty fourth, and then Happy Halloween

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October thirty first, we're going to be reviewing the very

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first episode of season five of Star Trek. Lower Decks,

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which airs on the twenty fourth, will be a week behind.

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So if that is our schedule for October, we're going

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to be busy, but we're gonna have fun. So I

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want to let you guys know what's going on. So,

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without any further ado, I would like to introduce to

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you guys Linus himself, David Benjamin Thomas, and welcome to

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the show.

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David, thank you very much. Thank you for having me.

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I'm glad that we were finally able to work this out.

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We had some technical difficulties last time and couldn't make

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it work, but everything is now, which is great.

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I'm always happy to get over the technology piece.

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I know Linus has a problem with that technology on

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Discovery from time to time.

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Yes, let me just say that that comes from a

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very authentic place in me.

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That's good. So are you ever in the right place?

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Man?

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Yeah? We must be related. We all worked together. So, David,

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I wanted to ask you, were you a Star Trek

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fan before you landed the role on Star Trek Discovery.

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I was a I am totally a science fiction nerd,

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and so I love it all. I grew up on

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next to Jack and that was kind of like my

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show when I was a teenager, and so Star Trek

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was certainly a big piece of my love of sci fi.

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But I'm you know, I'm Doctor Who, I'm Star Trek,

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I'm Star Wars, I'm Alien. You know, I'm everything that's

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great to hear. That is really great to hear. When

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you stepped on to Discovery, did you realize that the

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legacy that you were carrying on by being on the

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first live action Star Trek since Enterprise went off the air?

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You know it? It didn't hit me. But in the

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first season, I was playing a Klingon. I played three Klingons,

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and I remember thinking when I was, you know, just

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like in these unbelievable sets, in this incredible makeup, and

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I just I kept thinking, I'm a freaking cling on

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right now. Like it was so much to process. It

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was I couldn't believe it. And then I, you know,

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I had to be like, hey, pull yourself together, you know,

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and get to work. And I kind of going to

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work is it's always a thrill because it's it's the

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community of people is beautiful and there's always something beautiful

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to look at in terms of the sets, and I,

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you know, I love wearing the prosthetic. And last summer

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I did a friend of mine has a home theater

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system that's amazing, and so we watched all of the

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all of the Trek feature films, of all the iterations

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right through like a week after week. We did it

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over the whole summer, and I forget now which one

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it was. I think it's Generations where Kirk has a

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monologue at the end of the film and he says

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something to the effect of, you know, celebrating the future cruise,

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and I sort of sat up on the couch and

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I looked at my friend and I said, oh my god,

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I'm on one of those crews. And it just it

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hit me really late in the game. I wasn't I

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guess it's it's better. I mean, I don't like to

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dwell on that stuff, like I like to go to

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work and do my job. But I just I was like,

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I finally got a glimpse of it. Oh my god,

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like I am on one of those crews, and I

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got goosebumps. And that moment in that movie was very

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profound for me because it was the first time I

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really really really understood the journey of the last couple

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of years.

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Now. I'm glad that you mentioned Klingons because I'm a

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huge Klingon fan, and we hear a lot of talk

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about how difficult it was for the actors to wear

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all that prosthetic and act through that and particularly talk

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through those teeth. Could you please share with us a

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little bit about how long it took to get into

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that makeup and what it was like to be transformed

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into a Klingon.

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Well, straight up, what it was like to be transformed

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into one of those Klingons was unbelievably cool. Unbelievably cool

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as the first prosthetic that I've ever worn in my life.

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It was unbelievably challenging. It was a very challenging and

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demanding prosthetic. The size of it was big, so like

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on the back of our heads. We had to wear

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sort of a foam bowl that would then like would

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hold up the back of the head. And it took

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about two and a half three hours to get into it.

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But it was it was a real trial by fire

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for me, which was appropriate for being a Klingon, but

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it was it was I was what was demanded of

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me was to figure it out very quickly and throw

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myself into it. So it was. It was an incredible adventure.

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It came with a lot of challenges. The Klingon language

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is beautiful, and trying to find a feel for it

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was really tough for me. I mean, there were some

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cast members like Mary Chiefo and Ken Mitchell and they

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would they would speak kling On and it sounded like

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a shakespeareansa on it and I would be so jealous

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because I never felt like I got there. But speaking

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the language, wearing the teeth, and figuring out the prosthetic,

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it was. It was a lot, and it was very demanding.

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And I remember the first day that we were on

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set shooting and it was a very long day and

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Mary and I had polled around a lot in a

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lot of the pre production process, and she came up

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to me and her eyes were wide and we were

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like pushing, I don't know, you know, our fifteen hour

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sixteen and she said, I don't think, I don't think,

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I'm I can do this.

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It's too much.

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And I just I took her hands because I was

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feeling exactly the same way. I took her hand and

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we looked at each other and we breathed together, and

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I said, We've got this, we can do this, and

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we did and she was. She was incredible. So it

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was it was hard, but it was it was a

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really good welcome to working in a prosthetic, because working

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in a prosthetic is all about overcoming the challenges that

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you're faced with on a daily basis. As it turns out, do.

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You feel like phobic or was that part of it?

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You know?

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I grew up loving practical effects, and I would always

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watch the bonus features and watch the actors get their

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head cast and the straws and the nose and think

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about how cool it would be, you know. You know,

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head cast, I was so excited, but also a little

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apprehensive because I can be a little claustrophobic in certain situations.

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I'm a tall guy, and I don't love crowded, small

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spaces with a low ceiling. I tend to get a

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little wiggy, and so, you know, I went in and

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obviously they had this incredible crew doing the the life cast,

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and they took incredibly good care of me, and I

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found it to be so relaxing that you know, as

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they put all the layers on and then it starts

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to heat up as a kind of bakes on your head.

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I passed out. I just was so relaxed.

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But I'm sorry, but you just said bakes on your head.

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What does that even mean?

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They're like, oh, so there's I don't know, I actually

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don't completely understand. But what they put on your head

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is a layers of like bandages and plaster, and then

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I believe, like a slimy stuff and they do so

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so what makes a hard shell? And when the when

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the when the materials meet each other, they heat up

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as they kind of solidify. There's a chemical reaction. So

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it just kind of feels like like a warm You

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just feel a warmp You're not like, it's not like

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four hundred degrees or anything like that. You just it's

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a nice it's a nice, comforting warmth. And I found

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it unbelievably soothing and relaxing. As this was happening and

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my head was in this tight thing, and I kind

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of keeled over to the side and everyone started, are

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you okay? And I was significant signaling thumbs up with

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my hands, and afterward I was like, I'm so sorry.

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I was so relaxed, which was a good auspicious sign

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that this, this kind of work was going to be

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that I was going to have a facility for being

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in a prosthetic. So I guess, long, long story short,

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it can be part of it, but it's not a

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part of it for me. In fact, it doesn't bother

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that piece of it doesn't come into play for me.

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David's like, you know, keeling over, and He's like, I'm

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having a spa day.

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Literally literally was amazing. I'm fine. And then and then

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of course I started thinking, oh yeah, when I do

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yoga and I'm into vasna at the end, I always

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like to wrap something around my head. So I'm like, oh,

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there's something about that in me where I like to

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have my head covered and it's comforting, which doesn't I mean,

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which I'm not saying that every day is a picnic

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and it's you're walking around in bliss. But I'm not

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freaking out. I'm not freaking out inside the prosthetic, which

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I think is a good first step.

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M Wow, what about the tea? Did they had to

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take a cast of your mouth to get the teeth?

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Yeah? Yeah, so the teeth were were molded to my teeth,

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and when I finished playing Klingons, I was like, oh good,

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because the teeth tend to be my least favorite part.

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And then I found that when affered me Linus, I

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was like very excited, it's the new Alien. And then

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I found out that Linus head teeth and oh no,

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so uh yeah, they're based on a mold of my mouth.

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Wow, that's that is awesome. Now you you also played

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Kelpians as well, so you you and Doug Jones kind

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of have a kinship there.

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Oh yeah, yeah, Doug. Doug and I developed a really

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beautiful friendship over the course of the of the show.

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He he was an incredibly generous and supportive champion for

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me in terms of my path in learning, you know,

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figuring out what I was doing. He was gracious with

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his attention, and we're very When we get together, it's

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we're kind of like two peas in a pod. So

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when we're in the prosthetics trailer, we're like calling back

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and forth and you know, hackling and cackling and giggling.

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And when we're on set together, we're often sitting together,

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you know, holding space for each other, or you know,

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not even just sitting there beside each other and not

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talking and and just like we know what each other

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is sort of going through, which is different. You know,

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everyone else in the cast is on their phones or

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eating a sandwich, and we can't do either because our

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hands are covered and we're wearing silicone gloves and we

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can't really eat with the prosthetics. So we just sort

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of space for each other. And so we got to

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pile pile around a lot in a lot of different

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and a lot of the different makeups I wore, but

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being Kelpians together was super fun.

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Now did you have to wear the Kelpian boots and

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get the arms sway going?

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Oh?

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Yes I did. Yeah, yeah, I had a special class

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with Doug and he he gave me the ways and

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I was allowed to bring the boots home to work

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with them. You know. Apologies to my downstairs, downstairs neighbors.

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I got to trump around. I don't know what they

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I don't know what they would have thought was happening,

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but it would have just like clomp clomp clomped all

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the way down and all the way back. And I

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definitely got the hang of it. And the episode I

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had to wear them in. It turned out that I

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was marching across a beach, which was a whole other

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level that I wasn't prepared for. So I had to

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like navigate the boots on sand, which was an interesting talent. Yeah,

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it was a lot.

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Does I can I can barely walk on sand in

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my human feet.

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It was, it was, it was good, But I just

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went for it. And again, I spent so much time

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in the boots leading up that it was just like

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making a slight adjustment. I mean, they look, the look

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of those boots are incredible, but you know, there's a

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there's a there. Certainly after a while, there's a bit

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of a discomfort factor that settles in. Wow, that's incredible.

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That is incredible.

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You also say that you played Young Sue Call as

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well the Star Trek Discovery and that Hope is You

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Part two?

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Yes, that I did the scream that exploded all the dilithium.

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That little boy Kelpion who watches his mom die, That's

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that's me. So it's it's if my fust, I know,

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it's my secret shame is that I made the scream.

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You are the burn. I am the burn.

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You are the bern.

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I remember getting the email about it and they're like,

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we'd like you to play you know this, uh, this

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the character young Sue Call. And then I looked in

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the script and I was like it it seems to

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me like he's like eight or nine. Has there been

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a mistake? And then I found out, Oh no, they're

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they're going to shoot my performance and then they're going

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to shrink it down. And so it was very cool

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to see how they did that. And uh and yeah,

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I forget that that's me when I watched that episode.

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Was that the episode where Doug Jones appeared as himself?

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Yes, yeah, he and Culbert and Blue I think our

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idea are on the planet and Sue Call is having

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to stop the hologram of sort of denial that he's

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in and so he's he plays the memory where he screams.

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Yeah, okay, yeah, Yeah, that's awesome. So just for people

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that are listening, I'm looking up here so people can

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find you. So you appeared in the Star Trek Discovery

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short Treks the Brightest Star. Yeah, you played I'm gonna

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butcher this. You played all the kling On in the

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Vulcan hillo and into the Forest. I go, Yeah. You

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also appeared as a Klingon Officer Number one in the

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Discovery episode Will You Take My Hand? M uh. You

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appeared as a Kelpian villager in a short Treks episode

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as well and Discovery The Sound of Thunder. You played

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Cosmos Trait in the Hope Is You Part One, a

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Kelpian servant, and Discovery episode Terra Firm Apart One. Young Suka.

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We just talked about you played the Sarian diplomat and

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Discoveries All as Possible, And something I wanted to talk

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about next is you played Where Do They Come Up?

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Who comes up with these names? You played Ghoolie in

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Strange New Worlds at aspra Per. Yeah, so I wanted

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to talk a little bit about about Strange New Worlds. Okay,

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so most of your experience was on Discovery. Strange New

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Worlds came after the fact, so our Discovery had been

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on to cart had been on, and then Strange New

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Worlds came along. So was there a different feel being

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on Strange New Worlds versus doing it for the first

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time on Discovery? Oh?

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Yeah, for sure. I wasn't freaking out as much because

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I knew I knew what I was doing by the

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time I hit Worlds. I mean, every set has its

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own feel, right like Discovery you know very much my

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family to me and a fun vibe and Strange New

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Worlds equally as pleasant in a slightly different direction. But

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I was absolutely comfortable on the set and you know,

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enjoyed chatting with everyone. But it feels like it's a

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different group of people. And there were some people from

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Discovery who were working on the crew at that time

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because Discovery was a hiatus, so there's a number of

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people came up and said, hey, David, different face. But yeah,

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like it's the Strange New Worlds group is a great

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group of people. I would have liked to have spent

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more time there, just to get to know everyone a

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bit better.

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Well, when starts with Discovery, I'm taking up all the

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questions here. Well, when Star Trek Discovery was canceled, were

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you guys surprised to hear that? What was that like

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for the crew? When you guys weren't told? But this

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is going to be the end.

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We weren't told in person when we when we finished

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shooting season five, which I think was the fall of

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what year was that it was years ago? Yeah, so

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we finished, we wrapped on season five, and the talk

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was see you next season. You know, well I'll have

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our you know, five month hiatus and we'll get back

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at it and we'll see you all soon. And the

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phone calls and emails came in February and it was

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a huge shock, a huge shock, and thankfully, and I'm

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hugely grateful for this, we got to go back and

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shoot the coda, so we were sort of able to

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be to get there as a as a crew and

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a cast and a family one last time and really

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get a chance to say goodbye. I mean, it sounds

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a little weird, but you know, when I got the email,

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my first thought was, I'm not going to get a

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chance to say goodbye to the head. You know, this

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glorious and confounding head that I've been wearing for four

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years that I have a huge emotional attachment to. And

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it broke my heart a bit. And then I found

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out about the CODA and that I was going to

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be involved, and I was relieved and also sill relieved

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that we got a chance to be together and see

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the crew again and no one, no one expected it.

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The talk was six seasonsp probably seven. That was what

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everyone was expecting.

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Now, what was it like being direct did by Jonathan

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Frakes himself? Because he directed that that particular code or correct?

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No, no he didn't. He directed the episode before.

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Oh, the episode before? Okay, yeah, all right.

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I love being directed, but I love being directed by Jonathan.

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He's amazing. He is incredibly actor friendly, which is always

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a plus for me, because he understands life on the

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other side of the camera. He's one of the most

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buoyant and professional and motivational people. No matter what time

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of day you're shooting with him, he never lets you

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see his fatigue. He's always marshaling you forward. He's always

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inspiring you on, you know, encouraging you to find new things.

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He's I would work with Jonathan at the drop of

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a hat.

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Yeah. We we we whenever he directs an episode, we

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know it's going to be a good one. Oh yeah, sure, yeah,

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absolutely so. Eric. I'm sorry I interrupted you there. What

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were you going to say?

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Oh no, sorry, I don't remember exactly what I was

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going to say, but it was No, that's fine, Jim,

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keep on going.

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I'm I'm very sorry. I apologize. Yeah, anytime Jonathan Freaks

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directs an episode, we know what to expect. We know

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it's going to be good. So David, uh, now you

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can tell us, because you know we're cool here, we

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won't we won't tell anybody. Did you keep anything from

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from the series?

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But did I do? That's a loaded question. I got

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my seat back, which you know is which was I mean,

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I can't tell you the feeling I had when I

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walked on to set. I think it was season three

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and I saw Linus on the back of one of

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the cast chairs or the front of the cast chairs,

472
00:29:13.240 --> 00:29:18.799
and it just it just made my day. And so

473
00:29:18.880 --> 00:29:22.240
that that had a lot of meaning. The I mean,

474
00:29:22.640 --> 00:29:24.960
I would have loved to have taken my badge, but

475
00:29:25.359 --> 00:29:30.839
those things are under lock and key. So I'm very

476
00:29:30.920 --> 00:29:32.039
happy with the seatback.

477
00:29:33.519 --> 00:29:36.240
Yeah, that that would be cool. That would be cool.

478
00:29:36.799 --> 00:29:39.279
So you know, I think I've taken up enough time.

479
00:29:39.319 --> 00:29:41.680
I think I'm going to turn you over to Paul.

480
00:29:43.400 --> 00:29:46.160
Go ahead, Paul, I'm I don't want to take up

481
00:29:46.200 --> 00:29:46.799
all the time.

482
00:29:47.279 --> 00:29:49.759
Thanks Jim, Thanks, Hey, it's great to meet you, David.

483
00:29:49.839 --> 00:29:52.440
Thanks for making time to share stories with us tonight.

484
00:29:52.440 --> 00:29:57.160
Man appreciate it very much. I'm super curious about the

485
00:29:57.240 --> 00:30:00.319
craft of acting. And then the process the was on

486
00:30:00.440 --> 00:30:03.519
with that. So what I'm really curious to ask you

487
00:30:03.799 --> 00:30:08.400
is you get the part right and to what degree

488
00:30:08.440 --> 00:30:11.519
do they come to you and say, Okay, David, this

489
00:30:11.640 --> 00:30:14.519
is the backstory for this character. You know, even if

490
00:30:14.559 --> 00:30:16.720
we don't ever get to address it in terms of,

491
00:30:17.039 --> 00:30:20.880
you know, dialogue this season. Do they just provide that

492
00:30:20.960 --> 00:30:22.640
for you or do you do you have the liberty

493
00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:24.319
to sort of craft that yourself.

494
00:30:25.319 --> 00:30:27.400
You have deliberedy. I think it's a little bit of both.

495
00:30:28.039 --> 00:30:30.920
They'll throw a couple of things your way, and then

496
00:30:31.079 --> 00:30:33.359
I mean, I have a very rich inner life, so

497
00:30:33.519 --> 00:30:37.519
I'll always write a story for you know, as far

498
00:30:37.519 --> 00:30:40.079
as Linus is concerned. You know what's going on with

499
00:30:40.160 --> 00:30:43.000
him and where he's been, and that's sort of just

500
00:30:43.039 --> 00:30:47.079
a piece of what I deliver in the performance. And

501
00:30:47.119 --> 00:30:50.759
then if if I'm doing something that that doesn't you know,

502
00:30:50.920 --> 00:30:55.240
doesn't sit well with anyone, then then they'll offer an

503
00:30:55.279 --> 00:30:57.759
alternative and I'll go in a different direction. But it's

504
00:30:57.799 --> 00:31:00.359
a it's a bit of a too, like a little

505
00:31:00.359 --> 00:31:01.319
bit of both.

506
00:31:02.839 --> 00:31:05.559
Interesting. Interesting, Can you share some of the things that

507
00:31:05.599 --> 00:31:08.960
you came up with as far as his like background

508
00:31:09.000 --> 00:31:12.079
that never really saw the light of day on the show.

509
00:31:12.960 --> 00:31:19.599
Sure, I mean I mean most recently, well, I mean

510
00:31:19.759 --> 00:31:21.920
when he first made the when he showed up in

511
00:31:21.920 --> 00:31:24.759
the elevator in season two and he seemed to have

512
00:31:24.839 --> 00:31:32.079
a rapport with Siniqua Burnham, I had kind of in

513
00:31:32.119 --> 00:31:34.799
my head, I was like, Okay, so Linus is a

514
00:31:34.799 --> 00:31:38.440
bit of an outsider. He you know, he probably eats

515
00:31:38.480 --> 00:31:41.960
alone in the in the mess hall, and it's not

516
00:31:42.119 --> 00:31:45.160
unlikely that maybe because she's an outsider as well, that

517
00:31:45.200 --> 00:31:47.599
they they sit at the same table often and maybe

518
00:31:47.599 --> 00:31:50.000
they don't talk a lot, but they they make space

519
00:31:50.079 --> 00:31:54.599
for each other. So that's how I kind of approached that,

520
00:31:54.599 --> 00:31:59.119
that that sort of interaction, that they were familiar with

521
00:31:59.160 --> 00:32:02.039
each other and and held space for each other, which

522
00:32:02.359 --> 00:32:07.799
you know, it informed that whole. Then for me, that's.

523
00:32:07.640 --> 00:32:11.079
Great, so kind of kindred spirits both of them a

524
00:32:11.119 --> 00:32:14.599
little outcasts perhaps are just not as that's great.

525
00:32:14.680 --> 00:32:17.400
And see something you would know necessarily looking at it.

526
00:32:17.440 --> 00:32:19.319
But it's sort of one of the things that was

527
00:32:19.319 --> 00:32:20.880
fueling what I was doing.

528
00:32:21.279 --> 00:32:24.400
And that's something that you can use as you exploring

529
00:32:24.480 --> 00:32:26.880
the character in developing. Do you do you find it

530
00:32:26.880 --> 00:32:30.960
you have like when you consider the whole experience. Do

531
00:32:31.359 --> 00:32:33.640
you feel like you have a particular episode that is

532
00:32:33.680 --> 00:32:37.400
just your personal favorite, one that you just really where

533
00:32:37.400 --> 00:32:37.960
you're like, that.

534
00:32:38.000 --> 00:32:41.000
Was the day. I just felt like it was just Wow,

535
00:32:41.200 --> 00:32:42.480
what a thing to contribute to.

536
00:32:42.960 --> 00:32:50.319
Oh man. You know, when I would watch the every

537
00:32:50.359 --> 00:32:53.119
season back, I would always give myself a couple of

538
00:32:53.359 --> 00:32:57.200
performer notes like, oh, try this, do a little bit

539
00:32:57.200 --> 00:33:01.880
more of that. And when I watched the first episode

540
00:33:01.960 --> 00:33:05.400
of season five, I just kind of threw my hands

541
00:33:05.400 --> 00:33:07.759
in the air on the couch and I said, no notes.

542
00:33:07.960 --> 00:33:12.359
I felt like I had achieved everything that I had

543
00:33:12.400 --> 00:33:15.880
been working towards over the course of the seasons. I

544
00:33:15.880 --> 00:33:21.839
don't know that there's one thing that sticks out. I

545
00:33:21.920 --> 00:33:27.240
do really love his elevator moment with Burnham at the

546
00:33:27.359 --> 00:33:31.119
end of the season, when she's time traveling. There's something

547
00:33:31.160 --> 00:33:34.039
really beautiful to me about the bookending of those two.

548
00:33:34.640 --> 00:33:36.720
You know, he starts with her in an elevator and

549
00:33:36.880 --> 00:33:39.079
it turns out that he ends with her in an elevator,

550
00:33:39.160 --> 00:33:44.200
and I think there's a beautiful synchronicity to that, and

551
00:33:44.839 --> 00:33:48.279
we've both been on such a journey professionally and personally.

552
00:33:50.640 --> 00:33:52.240
I like that moment a lot.

553
00:33:52.920 --> 00:33:55.519
Yes, there's a unity between how things started and how

554
00:33:55.559 --> 00:33:59.359
they concluded. Yeah, there's just a sense of wholeness there,

555
00:33:59.480 --> 00:34:02.799
I think. But on this show here, we're we're all

556
00:34:02.880 --> 00:34:05.200
big fans of Discovery. I mean, I just think it's

557
00:34:05.240 --> 00:34:06.319
a it's a great show.

558
00:34:06.400 --> 00:34:09.679
I think it's ahead.

559
00:34:08.360 --> 00:34:10.079
Of its time in a lot of ways, especially in

560
00:34:10.159 --> 00:34:12.440
terms of, you know, being forward thinking with the writing

561
00:34:12.480 --> 00:34:16.280
and the character work. It's just it's a very special achievement.

562
00:34:16.400 --> 00:34:17.800
We just just love it.

563
00:34:17.880 --> 00:34:21.960
So I think something I think we I feel like

564
00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:25.840
sometimes these shows just don't always find their audience when

565
00:34:25.880 --> 00:34:27.639
they're ahead of their time, and then they become more

566
00:34:27.639 --> 00:34:31.559
of a culpe phenomenon later sometimes, And I just feel

567
00:34:31.599 --> 00:34:33.599
like that's that's going to be something where I just

568
00:34:33.760 --> 00:34:35.840
know the Discovery is gonna have a long enduring life,

569
00:34:35.840 --> 00:34:37.280
and I think a lot of people are going to

570
00:34:37.320 --> 00:34:40.960
continue to discover it and maybe ask for more of

571
00:34:41.000 --> 00:34:42.639
it to come back in the future, you know.

572
00:34:42.719 --> 00:34:44.119
I mean, if they if they ever.

573
00:34:45.719 --> 00:34:48.400
You suppose, if like they pitched the main cast and said, hey,

574
00:34:48.400 --> 00:34:51.239
you know what about some kind of a continuation standalone movie,

575
00:34:51.679 --> 00:34:55.199
right even if it was just on even if it

576
00:34:55.239 --> 00:34:57.400
wasn't theatrical, they just did like what they're doing with

577
00:34:57.599 --> 00:35:01.679
the some of their experimentation, like with the section thirty

578
00:35:01.719 --> 00:35:03.280
one thing now just a single moved. Do you think

579
00:35:03.280 --> 00:35:04.960
people would be up for that? Has everyone kind of

580
00:35:05.119 --> 00:35:05.639
gone on.

581
00:35:05.559 --> 00:35:06.199
To other things?

582
00:35:06.840 --> 00:35:13.239
Oh, I mean it's hard to know. It would. I

583
00:35:13.239 --> 00:35:16.960
think it would depend on what it was. I mean,

584
00:35:17.559 --> 00:35:22.360
we weren't. We are an incredibly you know, height group

585
00:35:22.400 --> 00:35:25.599
of people, and there is a lot of love in

586
00:35:25.639 --> 00:35:28.519
that community, and I think it would be I mean,

587
00:35:28.559 --> 00:35:32.000
if they said, look, we'd like to do something with Linus,

588
00:35:33.000 --> 00:35:35.000
it would be hard for It would be very hard

589
00:35:35.000 --> 00:35:38.159
for me to say now because I love that character

590
00:35:38.239 --> 00:35:40.719
so much and I love that that crew so much.

591
00:35:41.760 --> 00:35:45.039
But who I mean, everyone's got a different everyone's doing

592
00:35:45.079 --> 00:35:48.440
different things now, and so it's hard. It's hard to say.

593
00:35:48.480 --> 00:35:51.719
But look, I'll always be happy to put that head

594
00:35:51.760 --> 00:35:53.920
back on, have.

595
00:35:53.840 --> 00:35:54.639
The head reunion.

596
00:35:54.719 --> 00:35:56.400
Let's get back in the spa again.

597
00:35:56.920 --> 00:35:58.360
Yeah yeah, yeah yeah.

598
00:35:58.519 --> 00:36:00.400
Before we pass it over to another one of our

599
00:36:00.400 --> 00:36:03.280
truxperts here, I wanted to just ask you also. It's

600
00:36:03.320 --> 00:36:05.440
just like, do you have anything else that we're going

601
00:36:05.519 --> 00:36:07.360
to be seeing you in coming up that we can

602
00:36:07.800 --> 00:36:10.039
that we can that you'd like to talk about. It's

603
00:36:10.719 --> 00:36:12.880
new projects that are or maybe I don't know. The

604
00:36:13.000 --> 00:36:14.679
NDAs I know are tough, but.

605
00:36:15.840 --> 00:36:18.519
I have certain things in the works at the moment

606
00:36:18.599 --> 00:36:21.480
I'm working. I also am a writer, and so there's

607
00:36:21.760 --> 00:36:24.239
I'm working with some producery types on some things. But

608
00:36:24.280 --> 00:36:28.239
it's there's nothing I can really talk about currently, just

609
00:36:28.559 --> 00:36:33.000
more you know soon. I guess I'm.

610
00:36:32.840 --> 00:36:35.719
Getting a feeling maybe or you do write science fiction,

611
00:36:35.800 --> 00:36:36.519
can you tell us that?

612
00:36:37.039 --> 00:36:39.679
Oh? Yeah, I write, I write. I write a lot,

613
00:36:40.639 --> 00:36:45.360
a lot of genre stuff. I tend to it's always funny.

614
00:36:47.000 --> 00:36:50.760
But right now I'm writing a lot about middle age,

615
00:36:51.280 --> 00:36:53.880
which is where I find myself, and so I'm writing

616
00:36:53.880 --> 00:36:57.199
a lot about what's happening with gen X and in

617
00:36:57.360 --> 00:37:02.159
a myriad of different ways. So we'll see where that goes.

618
00:37:02.719 --> 00:37:05.599
Exciting, man, exciting. Well, we wish you all the best,

619
00:37:05.679 --> 00:37:09.039
and I would love to see Linus return in some form.

620
00:37:09.079 --> 00:37:11.079
I mean, you've been in some of the comics. I'm

621
00:37:11.079 --> 00:37:13.280
pretty sure there.

622
00:37:13.159 --> 00:37:15.039
Was a comic. There was a Linus comic.

623
00:37:15.760 --> 00:37:15.960
Yeah.

624
00:37:16.039 --> 00:37:20.119
It was beautiful. It was such a beautiful story for him,

625
00:37:20.199 --> 00:37:24.440
and it also was very inspiring to read. And you know,

626
00:37:24.480 --> 00:37:27.880
one of my favorite things about the character is that

627
00:37:27.960 --> 00:37:31.159
he exists in an intersection at the hands of a

628
00:37:31.159 --> 00:37:33.920
lot of different artists, you know, the people who designed him,

629
00:37:33.920 --> 00:37:37.960
and then the people who the various makeup artists who

630
00:37:38.440 --> 00:37:44.079
applied him, and then there's the special effects guy who

631
00:37:44.119 --> 00:37:46.960
adds the blinks in post production, and the sound people

632
00:37:47.000 --> 00:37:49.360
who modulate the voice. And so by the time that

633
00:37:49.400 --> 00:37:53.639
I see Linus on screen, a lot of different hands

634
00:37:54.159 --> 00:37:57.639
have been involved in bringing him to life. And reading

635
00:37:57.639 --> 00:38:02.079
that comic was like an extent another artist, more artists' hands,

636
00:38:02.119 --> 00:38:05.599
like inspiring the character forwards. I was really humbled and

637
00:38:05.599 --> 00:38:06.199
grateful for.

638
00:38:06.199 --> 00:38:09.280
That, because you know, the comic doesn't exist unless your

639
00:38:09.280 --> 00:38:12.360
work has inspired somebody to bring their character to life, right,

640
00:38:12.440 --> 00:38:15.159
and they're like, let's explore this, right because they feel

641
00:38:15.280 --> 00:38:15.800
kind of moved.

642
00:38:15.840 --> 00:38:19.599
I think that's amazing. So how cool is that? Well?

643
00:38:19.639 --> 00:38:20.519
Thank you very much?

644
00:38:21.000 --> 00:38:24.239
Absolutely well, Uh, you know, we forget about like the eyes,

645
00:38:24.320 --> 00:38:26.440
that that's a post production thing, that that's a yeah,

646
00:38:26.800 --> 00:38:29.920
that's it was a sneeze. Was that what was what

647
00:38:29.679 --> 00:38:32.599
was oh lord digital or what happened with it?

648
00:38:32.800 --> 00:38:36.920
The goo was digital? That night? Look at it? That

649
00:38:36.920 --> 00:38:37.960
that night was a lot.

650
00:38:38.280 --> 00:38:38.400
Uh.

651
00:38:39.320 --> 00:38:43.199
I was so nervous. You know, I was so nervous.

652
00:38:43.280 --> 00:38:47.719
I had I had worked with a movement coach, uh,

653
00:38:47.760 --> 00:38:52.119
and I had watched a lot of Reptilian reference footage

654
00:38:52.199 --> 00:38:54.679
as I was kind of piecing this character together because

655
00:38:55.480 --> 00:38:59.239
I was very aware that being the first sorry and

656
00:39:00.199 --> 00:39:04.800
on screen in live action since the motion picture, this

657
00:39:04.880 --> 00:39:06.280
is going to be the first time that, you know,

658
00:39:06.480 --> 00:39:12.559
Sarians were featured in a in a big way. And

659
00:39:12.639 --> 00:39:15.400
I wanted to contribute to Cannon in a way that

660
00:39:15.480 --> 00:39:19.239
was responsible because that matters to me. And and so

661
00:39:19.320 --> 00:39:23.559
I did all of this work and went in and

662
00:39:23.599 --> 00:39:25.480
by the time I hit the set, I was so

663
00:39:25.559 --> 00:39:33.119
stressed out. I was overthinking and we're so worried. And

664
00:39:33.800 --> 00:39:36.880
we got in the turbo lift and the director said, okay,

665
00:39:36.920 --> 00:39:40.360
we're going to let's rehearse it. So we rehearsed the

666
00:39:40.400 --> 00:39:43.079
scene and Sinequa, you know, walked in and asked me

667
00:39:43.119 --> 00:39:46.000
how my throat was and and no one had spoken

668
00:39:46.039 --> 00:39:48.639
to me about the kind of noise I should make

669
00:39:48.679 --> 00:39:50.760
in that moment, because I was to make a noise

670
00:39:50.840 --> 00:39:54.800
and indicate my throat and I just prepared a weird noise,

671
00:39:56.159 --> 00:39:59.639
and so in rehearsal, she asked me you know.

672
00:40:00.320 --> 00:40:00.480
Uh.

673
00:40:01.239 --> 00:40:04.800
We started the scene and how's your throat? And I

674
00:40:05.559 --> 00:40:08.360
gestured at my throat and made this like weird, like

675
00:40:08.400 --> 00:40:12.320
a raw sound, and Finikua looked at me and her

676
00:40:12.360 --> 00:40:15.119
eyes kind of bugged out of her head like a

677
00:40:15.280 --> 00:40:17.360
uga and then she said, Oh no, it's going to

678
00:40:17.400 --> 00:40:21.119
be a long night with this one. And everyone in

679
00:40:21.159 --> 00:40:26.400
the elevator started laughing, and I felt I felt Doug's

680
00:40:26.440 --> 00:40:29.760
hand on my shoulder, and there suddenly was so much

681
00:40:29.800 --> 00:40:35.440
good cheer and so much laughter and fun. And in

682
00:40:35.519 --> 00:40:38.119
that moment, I heard a voice at the back of

683
00:40:38.159 --> 00:40:42.400
my head, and the voice said, Oh, I know what

684
00:40:42.480 --> 00:40:46.639
this is. I've got this, and it was kind of

685
00:40:46.679 --> 00:40:50.519
the character that I had done all of this work

686
00:40:51.559 --> 00:40:53.920
and I was caught up and overthinking and then had

687
00:40:53.920 --> 00:40:58.559
this beautiful, joyous, hilarious moment and then suddenly the character

688
00:40:58.719 --> 00:41:01.280
was free to emerge. And then I kind of followed

689
00:41:01.280 --> 00:41:04.559
that voice whenever I was on set or felt like

690
00:41:04.960 --> 00:41:09.719
I needed to plug in to the character, and he

691
00:41:09.840 --> 00:41:12.679
never sort of steered me wrong. And then we when

692
00:41:12.679 --> 00:41:19.800
we got into the sneezing, it's I think you can

693
00:41:19.800 --> 00:41:23.159
see this in the the gag reel from season one

694
00:41:23.239 --> 00:41:26.679
or season two at one point, I whipped my head

695
00:41:26.760 --> 00:41:30.800
so hard the teeth fly out of my mouth and

696
00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:34.079
they hit they hit the actor in the face and

697
00:41:34.159 --> 00:41:39.280
clatter to the floor, and I'm horrified. I am absolutely

698
00:41:39.360 --> 00:41:43.639
horrified because I think, oh my, oh my goodness, I

699
00:41:43.679 --> 00:41:47.400
have just broken a thousand dollars, you know what I mean, which,

700
00:41:47.840 --> 00:41:50.360
you know, it was just like, oh man, And so

701
00:41:50.800 --> 00:41:53.760
in the take you can see that I gamely am

702
00:41:53.800 --> 00:41:56.840
trying to continue with the scene, like I'm pretending like

703
00:41:57.000 --> 00:41:59.199
my teeth did not just fly out of my head,

704
00:41:59.639 --> 00:42:02.239
and you see Saniqua once again just kind of look

705
00:42:02.280 --> 00:42:07.000
at me and just lose it, and uh. There was

706
00:42:07.039 --> 00:42:11.000
more laughter and everyone just cracked up. And the prosthetics

707
00:42:11.079 --> 00:42:12.960
came in and I was like, I'm so sorry, and

708
00:42:13.000 --> 00:42:14.320
they're like, don't worry about it, and they had a

709
00:42:14.360 --> 00:42:18.519
second pair of teeth, you know, uh, and they popped

710
00:42:18.519 --> 00:42:22.199
them in and Yeah. It was a very his debut

711
00:42:22.599 --> 00:42:27.000
was he was a big hit with the crew and

712
00:42:27.199 --> 00:42:30.719
it was a it was a joyous, a joyous thing.

713
00:42:30.800 --> 00:42:33.599
So there was a lot of the sneeze. Was pretty

714
00:42:33.599 --> 00:42:36.079
funny looking at it because I just always see the

715
00:42:36.119 --> 00:42:38.159
take where my teeth flew out of my face the

716
00:42:38.239 --> 00:42:39.719
poor actor got hit in the head.

717
00:42:41.719 --> 00:42:43.760
But he was a moment that you found that this

718
00:42:43.800 --> 00:42:46.519
is where you belong, right, Yeah, yeah, like that's that's.

719
00:42:46.400 --> 00:42:47.559
A beautiful moment, man.

720
00:42:47.599 --> 00:42:50.480
And and plus you added to a you know, a

721
00:42:50.599 --> 00:42:53.039
sory in cannon because now we know that they have

722
00:42:53.159 --> 00:42:59.280
projectile teeth. Right, yeah, it's like you know that's Ket's

723
00:42:59.320 --> 00:43:02.159
cannon now, bro there, Hey, didn't make the final cut.

724
00:43:02.199 --> 00:43:04.679
It didn't make the final cut. It's in the gag reel.

725
00:43:04.760 --> 00:43:08.519
So but well, I apologize for taking so much time, man,

726
00:43:08.559 --> 00:43:11.400
because I've just I just loved the chance to chat.

727
00:43:11.480 --> 00:43:14.119
But I know I got the other Trexperts are elbowing

728
00:43:14.159 --> 00:43:16.159
me in the ribs here, So I want to just

729
00:43:16.199 --> 00:43:19.519
passed this over to one of our other hosts. Charles,

730
00:43:19.519 --> 00:43:20.119
are you in there?

731
00:43:20.360 --> 00:43:22.360
Is that your elbow? I feel pressing against me?

732
00:43:24.280 --> 00:43:27.360
Yes, Paul, that was my elbow, especially when you stole

733
00:43:27.440 --> 00:43:28.119
my story.

734
00:43:28.760 --> 00:43:30.639
Well you know I'm notorious for that, brother.

735
00:43:31.280 --> 00:43:33.800
Yeah.

736
00:43:33.840 --> 00:43:38.119
Hey, David Benjamin, uh you I have met. We talked

737
00:43:38.199 --> 00:43:39.840
as star trek Las Vegas.

738
00:43:40.320 --> 00:43:48.880
Amazing. Oh, I just that was such an amazing weekend.

739
00:43:49.320 --> 00:43:52.079
I had such a good time and we we we

740
00:43:52.119 --> 00:43:56.599
met sort of at the intersection of all the tables. Yeah, yes, right.

741
00:43:56.920 --> 00:43:58.599
I tried to kick you because I don't want to

742
00:43:58.599 --> 00:44:00.719
get jump in your line, but I wanted to have

743
00:44:00.760 --> 00:44:01.800
a short chat with you.

744
00:44:02.920 --> 00:44:04.360
It was good. It was good to chat.

745
00:44:05.360 --> 00:44:09.880
Oh, definitely. How was your interaction with fans at Star

746
00:44:09.960 --> 00:44:11.360
Trek Las Vegas.

747
00:44:11.599 --> 00:44:15.320
Oh it was wonderful. You know, the first that was

748
00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:20.960
my second convention, and the first convention that was kind

749
00:44:20.960 --> 00:44:24.000
of the full because the previous one I went with

750
00:44:24.159 --> 00:44:27.000
that was in the middle of the pandemic, I guess,

751
00:44:27.400 --> 00:44:29.639
so it was kind of it was kind of at

752
00:44:29.719 --> 00:44:37.119
like half capacity, and it was such a complicated time. Uh.

753
00:44:37.159 --> 00:44:41.039
And I was, you know, like Linus was becoming more prominent,

754
00:44:41.079 --> 00:44:45.760
and I went and there's all this stress happening in

755
00:44:45.800 --> 00:44:48.519
the world and and all this sort of fragmentation. And

756
00:44:48.840 --> 00:44:51.719
I got to the convention and I just kept hearing

757
00:44:51.880 --> 00:44:56.679
welcome to the family, and it was it was amazingly comforting.

758
00:44:57.960 --> 00:45:00.920
And and that was another kind of moment where I

759
00:45:01.000 --> 00:45:05.079
really plugged in that there's this beautiful family, this beautiful

760
00:45:05.119 --> 00:45:08.239
community that exists, and so getting to go back this

761
00:45:08.360 --> 00:45:13.599
year and build on those conversations. But also just like

762
00:45:13.840 --> 00:45:16.960
I love watching the cosplay and all of the unbelievable

763
00:45:17.400 --> 00:45:22.119
outfits and and hearing people be so excited about the character,

764
00:45:22.199 --> 00:45:26.320
and I'm always grateful and so humbled that people love

765
00:45:26.400 --> 00:45:29.320
him as much as I love playing him. I always

766
00:45:29.360 --> 00:45:32.360
get so excited by that because I do, like I

767
00:45:32.440 --> 00:45:36.960
love being Linus, and so it's I love all the

768
00:45:37.199 --> 00:45:43.199
questions and everyone's such good natured and respectful and lovely.

769
00:45:43.440 --> 00:45:47.800
It's it's it's it's so, it's great. It's great. I

770
00:45:47.840 --> 00:45:48.519
had a great time.

771
00:45:49.760 --> 00:45:53.480
Star Trek Las Vegas is a unique invention perfectly for me,

772
00:45:53.599 --> 00:45:56.159
and the cosplay that goes in there.

773
00:45:56.360 --> 00:45:57.920
It's not just fancy.

774
00:45:58.079 --> 00:46:00.880
Oh it's a big Star Trek. Imagine know, it's a

775
00:46:00.960 --> 00:46:05.280
Star Trek invention. That's tag, that's an actual sci fi convention.

776
00:46:06.000 --> 00:46:08.639
There's so much sci fi that will show up there.

777
00:46:09.440 --> 00:46:12.519
Star Wars, Star Wars will show up fast, or Galactica

778
00:46:12.639 --> 00:46:13.519
shows up.

779
00:46:14.039 --> 00:46:17.280
Mary McDonald was there, and I am like, I was

780
00:46:17.320 --> 00:46:20.760
a huge Battlestar Galactica fan, and all found out that

781
00:46:20.920 --> 00:46:23.880
she was there, I was I broken my sweat. I

782
00:46:23.960 --> 00:46:27.119
was like, I didn't know what to do. I was

783
00:46:27.159 --> 00:46:29.280
just like, I gotta be cool. But then I like,

784
00:46:29.360 --> 00:46:31.679
I just walked past her table and I just you know,

785
00:46:31.719 --> 00:46:33.880
I just wanted to scream, I love you, my Dan President.

786
00:46:34.480 --> 00:46:39.880
But she was, She's that was She's amazing. So yeah,

787
00:46:39.920 --> 00:46:42.599
I love all of the iterations of all the different

788
00:46:42.639 --> 00:46:46.079
franchises that show up and and how it informs all

789
00:46:46.119 --> 00:46:50.679
of the cosplay like Borg doctor Who's and and and

790
00:46:50.960 --> 00:46:53.800
you know, Galactica stuff used with other stuff like I

791
00:46:54.239 --> 00:46:54.840
I love it.

792
00:46:55.880 --> 00:46:58.199
Yes, yeah.

793
00:46:58.400 --> 00:47:01.480
The fact of having just down your table down the

794
00:47:01.559 --> 00:47:02.519
road was Doc.

795
00:47:02.440 --> 00:47:06.800
Brown, Oh man, it's a lot. I mean, I'm I'm

796
00:47:06.960 --> 00:47:10.400
I'm I'm an you know, like I guess it's like

797
00:47:10.519 --> 00:47:13.320
these are these are people whose work that I love

798
00:47:13.360 --> 00:47:15.239
and I get. So I was like, wow, I can't

799
00:47:15.239 --> 00:47:18.480
believe that you're right over there. It's such a great

800
00:47:18.519 --> 00:47:22.760
celebration of of of nerd them, which I am so

801
00:47:22.880 --> 00:47:23.719
passionate about.

802
00:47:26.480 --> 00:47:30.440
I'm curious about how what it was like filming season

803
00:47:30.559 --> 00:47:34.320
two twice a season season season five twice.

804
00:47:36.039 --> 00:47:39.639
What do you mean, Well, we.

805
00:47:38.840 --> 00:47:42.639
We know you filmed season five to a point, right,

806
00:47:43.079 --> 00:47:48.679
but what we got was the extendities in five with

807
00:47:48.840 --> 00:47:54.280
the changes and what it was like filming because we

808
00:47:54.360 --> 00:47:57.159
as fans don't really know what the story was in

809
00:47:57.280 --> 00:48:01.679
season five, we know what the new season story was.

810
00:48:02.360 --> 00:48:07.840
Well, we finished shooting Steve A season five. The season

811
00:48:07.960 --> 00:48:13.360
five ended on the heels of the Saru and Trina wedding,

812
00:48:14.840 --> 00:48:20.000
so so the episode ended shortly after that. So when

813
00:48:20.079 --> 00:48:24.800
we shot the coda, it was all of the time jump,

814
00:48:24.880 --> 00:48:28.000
everything after the time jump forward. So I don't think

815
00:48:28.800 --> 00:48:31.400
they may have shaved a little bit off of the

816
00:48:31.519 --> 00:48:35.840
end of the wedding stuff to make way for some

817
00:48:35.960 --> 00:48:38.519
time for the coda, but it was very much its own.

818
00:48:39.039 --> 00:48:42.239
They didn't try to weave it right in. They did

819
00:48:42.280 --> 00:48:44.599
a time jump and then it very much was its

820
00:48:44.639 --> 00:48:48.840
own thing. I was incredibly grateful to be able to

821
00:48:48.840 --> 00:48:52.400
go back and be with those people and know it

822
00:48:52.480 --> 00:48:58.239
was the end right like I I. You know, we

823
00:48:58.239 --> 00:49:01.480
were standing on the bridge and it was a long

824
00:49:01.599 --> 00:49:05.280
day of that shot is so beautiful of Burnham sort

825
00:49:05.280 --> 00:49:07.960
of remembering the crew and all of the hugging and smiling,

826
00:49:08.000 --> 00:49:11.280
and we were on that bridge hugging and smiling for

827
00:49:11.360 --> 00:49:15.440
like ten hours. So they got the shot and they

828
00:49:15.599 --> 00:49:19.760
covered everything and the cameras swooping around and the lighting changes.

829
00:49:19.800 --> 00:49:23.480
It was really complicated and it looked so beautiful and

830
00:49:23.559 --> 00:49:27.559
it was a lot to do. There would sort of

831
00:49:27.599 --> 00:49:30.840
certainly were a buoyant bunch, and there'd be the occasional

832
00:49:30.880 --> 00:49:33.280
dip where it would get kind of sad because we

833
00:49:33.320 --> 00:49:37.840
all kind of realized, this is the last time we're

834
00:49:37.840 --> 00:49:41.679
going to stand here together in this space in this way,

835
00:49:43.239 --> 00:49:47.079
you know, like as a cast and as a crew,

836
00:49:47.280 --> 00:49:51.079
like this will never be like this again. You know,

837
00:49:51.119 --> 00:49:55.119
if there's a movie in ten years from now, it'll

838
00:49:55.159 --> 00:50:00.400
be probably somewhere different and the set will have been rebuilt, know, like,

839
00:50:00.440 --> 00:50:02.280
it's never going to be like this again. And that

840
00:50:02.480 --> 00:50:05.679
was I was, you know, So I I was grateful

841
00:50:05.679 --> 00:50:09.159
that I got to have that understanding and that goodbye,

842
00:50:09.280 --> 00:50:17.079
so I could really honor that community appropriately well, I rather.

843
00:50:17.119 --> 00:50:21.119
From comments of her like at the con the fact

844
00:50:21.119 --> 00:50:25.840
that I think it's David at Jala Booker m wasn't

845
00:50:25.880 --> 00:50:29.960
really a big part of season five in the original shoot,

846
00:50:30.239 --> 00:50:35.079
but coming with the ending shot, they added brand news,

847
00:50:35.320 --> 00:50:39.880
They added re edited part of that season.

848
00:50:40.000 --> 00:50:41.920
So I don't know if you were what part of that.

849
00:50:42.960 --> 00:50:44.760
Oh no, I wasn't aware of that.

850
00:50:46.239 --> 00:50:47.679
From what I've heard, he was not.

851
00:50:48.239 --> 00:50:53.519
He was not as big in the original script, but

852
00:50:53.559 --> 00:50:57.199
when they did his script that they put him that

853
00:50:57.320 --> 00:51:00.360
they I get. I thought they were reshooting a big chuck.

854
00:51:00.559 --> 00:51:02.880
That's why some of the crew members never showed up

855
00:51:03.519 --> 00:51:07.440
in some of the season, why we didn't see the

856
00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:09.320
Pridge crew right right.

857
00:51:11.880 --> 00:51:16.920
I was unaware that they they uh, because, like his

858
00:51:17.039 --> 00:51:19.880
storyline was taking place, I was really focused on what

859
00:51:19.920 --> 00:51:22.000
was happening on the bridge. So that's where I'm paying

860
00:51:22.000 --> 00:51:22.719
the most of time.

861
00:51:23.199 --> 00:51:25.639
You may have not been through some of those shoots.

862
00:51:25.239 --> 00:51:28.320
But I think it is reshooting. Oh okay, I did

863
00:51:28.360 --> 00:51:30.440
not know that.

864
00:51:30.440 --> 00:51:32.840
That's from what I father from the comments, because I

865
00:51:32.880 --> 00:51:35.519
noticed at the panel they talked about the fact that

866
00:51:35.519 --> 00:51:38.559
a couple of people couldn't be on the bridge for

867
00:51:38.719 --> 00:51:42.920
some of those later episodes because you were reshot.

868
00:51:44.639 --> 00:51:44.760
Oh.

869
00:51:44.920 --> 00:51:47.760
My understanding was that they were. There were scheduling conflicts

870
00:51:47.800 --> 00:51:51.400
that a couple of the actors had. Other were working

871
00:51:51.440 --> 00:51:54.480
in other places, and so they were unable. It was

872
00:51:54.519 --> 00:51:59.960
just it came down to a scheduling conflict.

873
00:52:00.039 --> 00:52:02.920
It if we ever get the original story for season five.

874
00:52:04.800 --> 00:52:06.920
I think I think what you get what you got.

875
00:52:07.239 --> 00:52:10.599
I'm based on what I remember of the script. It's

876
00:52:10.639 --> 00:52:17.039
pretty close. Yeah for sure, Well definitely for me.

877
00:52:17.159 --> 00:52:23.239
Still a good season and make sure you hit the conventions.

878
00:52:23.400 --> 00:52:29.199
I think you guys, you softened that convention if you

879
00:52:29.280 --> 00:52:33.119
heard stories. You still have people from the real Star Trek.

880
00:52:33.199 --> 00:52:35.960
You've got next generation who are still showing up these

881
00:52:35.960 --> 00:52:40.039
conventions and still part of the Trek family. So don't

882
00:52:40.079 --> 00:52:41.480
lose it that that you are part of.

883
00:52:42.280 --> 00:52:45.800
That's That's something that I've really has been really valuable

884
00:52:45.840 --> 00:52:48.280
to me as I've processed the end of the show

885
00:52:48.400 --> 00:52:52.559
and processed the sort of the dissolution of that family

886
00:52:52.639 --> 00:52:55.239
and we all have gone back to our lives that

887
00:52:55.280 --> 00:52:58.159
there's this other family that I'm also a part of

888
00:52:58.599 --> 00:53:00.760
that I you know, that's going to be active over

889
00:53:00.760 --> 00:53:04.239
the years to come, and so absolutely well.

890
00:53:04.119 --> 00:53:06.960
The stories I've heard of I think well, and how

891
00:53:07.039 --> 00:53:12.880
she treats the entire cats as family, just yeah, really

892
00:53:12.960 --> 00:53:16.199
makes those cons just so much more special because everybody

893
00:53:16.239 --> 00:53:17.119
just love each other.

894
00:53:18.320 --> 00:53:22.199
It's you know, it can't be, it can't be. It's

895
00:53:22.239 --> 00:53:28.559
said enough. How unbelievable, how incredible a leader Sun Equal

896
00:53:28.840 --> 00:53:33.840
was through the through the seasons of discovery. She led

897
00:53:34.000 --> 00:53:44.599
with unbelievable professionalism and affection and compassion and support and love,

898
00:53:45.440 --> 00:53:53.239
and she was a formidable and uh incredible leader. She

899
00:53:55.639 --> 00:53:59.719
really created and fostered an atmosphere of affection and fun

900
00:53:59.840 --> 00:54:05.760
and support, and everyone who came onto that set benefited

901
00:54:05.800 --> 00:54:09.599
from it, from from her curation of such a such

902
00:54:09.639 --> 00:54:14.079
a supportive, affectionate environment. And that is not the norm. Uh,

903
00:54:14.440 --> 00:54:16.559
you know, that is not the norm. So to have

904
00:54:16.599 --> 00:54:21.639
had that experience with someone like Sniqua is is really special.

905
00:54:21.800 --> 00:54:23.760
I think it's I'll be lucky, to be honest.

906
00:54:23.760 --> 00:54:26.679
I mean, you can you can feel that in Discovery

907
00:54:27.039 --> 00:54:32.039
right it has a like, I don't know, an air

908
00:54:32.559 --> 00:54:34.719
that no other Star Trek has.

909
00:54:35.800 --> 00:54:39.599
There's something, there's there's a quality to it, and there

910
00:54:39.679 --> 00:54:43.360
is you know, the the dynamics with the crew and

911
00:54:43.400 --> 00:54:45.719
the dynamics with the cast. It was you know when

912
00:54:45.719 --> 00:54:47.760
I say we were a family, it it you know,

913
00:54:47.800 --> 00:54:51.960
there was just a lot of positivity and and and

914
00:54:52.079 --> 00:54:55.079
support and care. It's a big show. It's a hard

915
00:54:55.079 --> 00:54:59.960
show to do, you know. I was surprised at how

916
00:55:00.079 --> 00:55:02.480
hard a show like that is to do. On everybody

917
00:55:03.840 --> 00:55:07.719
on crew, on on on the cast, directors and the

918
00:55:07.760 --> 00:55:12.239
writers and everybody contributing to the best of their ability

919
00:55:12.440 --> 00:55:17.400
and in the best possible way. It's really beautiful. Yeah,

920
00:55:17.480 --> 00:55:21.239
She's she's a She's incredible. I I will always have

921
00:55:21.320 --> 00:55:23.480
a very special place in my heart for Siniqua.

922
00:55:24.960 --> 00:55:28.840
Yes, definitely. Also just want to make the comment glad

923
00:55:28.880 --> 00:55:36.039
to hear another hoovie and around and Eric and I

924
00:55:36.079 --> 00:55:37.960
are the who the ends of the group.

925
00:55:38.400 --> 00:55:42.440
Oh very good. You know, it's funny when when I

926
00:55:42.480 --> 00:55:45.599
was growing up, I you know, I grew up in

927
00:55:45.639 --> 00:55:49.800
a rural area outside of the city and and it

928
00:55:49.920 --> 00:55:54.159
was Doctor Who in its serialized format was on you know,

929
00:55:54.280 --> 00:55:58.880
this public broadcaster, and I watched it without understanding the

930
00:55:58.960 --> 00:56:02.280
legacy of the care or. And I grew up watching

931
00:56:02.280 --> 00:56:08.000
Tom Baker and I wasna, yeah, he's my doctor. And

932
00:56:08.039 --> 00:56:11.800
when he regenerated into Peter Davidson, I was like, what

933
00:56:12.159 --> 00:56:14.920
just happened? I did not understand. There is no I

934
00:56:14.920 --> 00:56:17.559
didn't have anyone, there was no internet to be like

935
00:56:18.480 --> 00:56:21.639
what happened? And I stopped watching the show because I

936
00:56:21.719 --> 00:56:23.519
just didn't get it. And then it had to go

937
00:56:23.639 --> 00:56:25.320
back and be like, this is a part of it,

938
00:56:25.719 --> 00:56:29.679
having to say goodbye to these beloved doctors. But yeah,

939
00:56:30.119 --> 00:56:32.119
just a real treat.

940
00:56:32.440 --> 00:56:36.280
The Doctor Who, Tom Baker was my first doctor.

941
00:56:38.320 --> 00:56:39.400
Eckelson's the one.

942
00:56:39.360 --> 00:56:40.400
That me back.

943
00:56:41.199 --> 00:56:45.159
Oh he was amazing.

944
00:56:45.840 --> 00:56:49.039
Oh when Eckleson came on and I just slipped through

945
00:56:49.119 --> 00:56:52.719
and found him on BBC America. I was like, wait

946
00:56:52.760 --> 00:56:53.320
a minute, what's this?

947
00:56:54.079 --> 00:56:54.239
Oh?

948
00:56:55.440 --> 00:56:56.599
Oh, this is good.

949
00:56:58.039 --> 00:57:00.920
I gathered that he didn't have a for good time

950
00:57:01.599 --> 00:57:04.920
doing that season, but I would love would have loved

951
00:57:04.920 --> 00:57:07.360
for him to do a second season. I would have

952
00:57:07.400 --> 00:57:11.840
loved to see what he would have done because he's

953
00:57:11.840 --> 00:57:13.239
so winning in that role.

954
00:57:13.920 --> 00:57:20.320
Yeah, yeah, doctor, and yeah, I mean my understanding was

955
00:57:20.360 --> 00:57:24.880
that it was like a personality conflict type of situation.

956
00:57:25.159 --> 00:57:28.119
But I would have loved to have seen multiple seasons

957
00:57:28.159 --> 00:57:28.920
of Eon.

958
00:57:29.320 --> 00:57:31.679
Yeah. I mean, of course, then we got Tenant, who

959
00:57:31.719 --> 00:57:33.360
I was a huge fan of as well, and I

960
00:57:33.400 --> 00:57:37.199
was I this worked out okay, But yeah, I would

961
00:57:37.239 --> 00:57:39.440
have I wouldn't have. I wouldn't have walked away from

962
00:57:39.480 --> 00:57:41.679
another season of Eckleton for sure.

963
00:57:42.519 --> 00:57:49.360
Yeah, and all the characters we met from them, and

964
00:57:49.880 --> 00:57:52.519
you too, Eric, and you will understand my joke of

965
00:57:52.599 --> 00:57:57.119
my favorite line from from that Sea That was a

966
00:57:57.199 --> 00:57:59.519
lot spooky line, are you?

967
00:58:00.039 --> 00:58:00.320
I mean?

968
00:58:02.760 --> 00:58:05.400
Oh?

969
00:58:05.480 --> 00:58:10.119
Yeah, they do a lot of really great Uh. Some

970
00:58:10.159 --> 00:58:12.199
of their best villains are stuff where you can't see

971
00:58:12.239 --> 00:58:13.039
the faces.

972
00:58:13.199 --> 00:58:13.360
Uh.

973
00:58:13.920 --> 00:58:15.519
They do a lot of great stuff with mass on

974
00:58:15.519 --> 00:58:15.920
that show.

975
00:58:16.719 --> 00:58:17.519
Yes, they do.

976
00:58:20.360 --> 00:58:20.599
Well.

977
00:58:20.639 --> 00:58:24.079
Since I know Eric's really getting into it. Oh, I

978
00:58:24.079 --> 00:58:26.639
guess I'm going to David, though I think Eric's fighting.

979
00:58:26.679 --> 00:58:28.199
It's a bit to jump in.

980
00:58:29.760 --> 00:58:34.079
Yeah, hey, hey, thank you so much.

981
00:58:34.760 --> 00:58:40.320
Yeah. So, I am really curious about your first interaction

982
00:58:40.559 --> 00:58:41.480
with Will Wheaton.

983
00:58:42.719 --> 00:58:44.920
I haven't actually interacted with Will.

984
00:58:46.400 --> 00:58:51.360
Oh I thought you were on the little show that

985
00:58:51.400 --> 00:58:53.039
he does after every episode.

986
00:58:53.480 --> 00:58:58.000
No, they had clips of me that they shot in Toronto.

987
00:58:58.119 --> 00:59:01.519
But I have not met Will personally yet.

988
00:59:02.280 --> 00:59:05.320
Oh, okay, I thought to do.

989
00:59:05.400 --> 00:59:09.239
So I'm I I love Will, so I'm sure our

990
00:59:09.239 --> 00:59:13.159
past will cross at some point. Nice. Cool.

991
00:59:13.440 --> 00:59:16.159
So, I'm pretty sure this would know what to ask

992
00:59:16.239 --> 00:59:19.760
me for about the most memorable time that you had

993
00:59:19.760 --> 00:59:23.840
on stage. But I just wanted to know what would

994
00:59:23.880 --> 00:59:29.320
your memorable blooper that you've ever had done on the set.

995
00:59:30.239 --> 00:59:40.880
Oh gosh, I'm pretty notorious for because I because along

996
00:59:40.880 --> 00:59:43.440
the way, I've decided to say a lot of science talk.

997
00:59:44.639 --> 00:59:47.480
So I'm pretty notorious for if the words drop out

998
00:59:47.519 --> 00:59:55.159
of my head, I'll just make something up because in

999
00:59:55.239 --> 00:59:58.880
the in the end, in the end, they're gonna I'm

1000
00:59:58.920 --> 01:00:01.559
gonna have to re record my dialogue anyway, and just

1001
01:00:01.719 --> 01:00:03.519
and just so there might be something else in the

1002
01:00:03.559 --> 01:00:05.519
scene in the in the take that they can use.

1003
01:00:05.559 --> 01:00:09.320
So uh, sometimes I'll just come up some some crazy words.

1004
01:00:09.360 --> 01:00:11.639
We'll leave my mouth and I'll just think, well, that's

1005
01:00:11.639 --> 01:00:15.639
not the line, but it's close. But uh, I think

1006
01:00:16.000 --> 01:00:18.679
the all time best would have been the teeth flying

1007
01:00:18.679 --> 01:00:21.760
out of my mouth. It's uh, it's hard to top that.

1008
01:00:23.079 --> 01:00:24.719
I have to look for that on a blue Boo wheel.

1009
01:00:25.760 --> 01:00:28.880
Yeah, So follow up, what's my question with the.

1010
01:00:28.800 --> 01:00:31.360
Will Wheaton thing? What was your What was it like

1011
01:00:31.480 --> 01:00:34.440
meeting uh Jonathan for the first time.

1012
01:00:36.039 --> 01:00:40.079
Well, I'll tell you this. I I walked on to

1013
01:00:40.199 --> 01:00:45.119
set and it was, uh when I met Jonathan, it

1014
01:00:45.239 --> 01:00:47.320
was like my second or third time on side of

1015
01:00:47.320 --> 01:00:51.239
his lines. So I was still getting my bearings and

1016
01:00:51.440 --> 01:00:54.880
I had my eyes in and Jonathan sat down in

1017
01:00:54.920 --> 01:00:58.880
a chair across from me, and he was excited to

1018
01:00:59.559 --> 01:01:03.400
he really liked the character. And he sat down across

1019
01:01:03.400 --> 01:01:09.800
from me and he said welcome aboard, and like no

1020
01:01:09.840 --> 01:01:13.119
one could see but like my eyes, like I just started,

1021
01:01:13.519 --> 01:01:16.880
like my eyes filled with tears because you know, to

1022
01:01:17.000 --> 01:01:20.599
have like rikers sit across from you and say welcome aboard.

1023
01:01:21.719 --> 01:01:25.760
In this way that was. It was just like this

1024
01:01:25.880 --> 01:01:29.280
moment in time. It was so memorable, and I'll remember

1025
01:01:29.320 --> 01:01:34.239
that always. He was so lovely and welcoming and just

1026
01:01:34.360 --> 01:01:35.280
made all the difference.

1027
01:01:36.599 --> 01:01:42.760
Cool. Nice. I know that Eric got a lot of questions,

1028
01:01:42.760 --> 01:01:44.280
so I won't take up too much of your times,

1029
01:01:44.400 --> 01:01:47.119
but this one last question I pass it over to Eric.

1030
01:01:49.719 --> 01:01:51.840
I know you've said that you've been a big fan

1031
01:01:52.199 --> 01:01:55.679
of sci fi and everything, So my question to you

1032
01:01:56.159 --> 01:02:02.039
is what shoeyes of Star Trek is your favorite.

1033
01:02:03.280 --> 01:02:07.960
Well, my sentimental favorite is Next Gen because that's the

1034
01:02:07.960 --> 01:02:09.599
one I grew up on and that's the one that

1035
01:02:09.639 --> 01:02:13.440
really got me locked into enjoying Trek. And I had

1036
01:02:13.599 --> 01:02:18.000
so many, you know, so many amazing episodes along the

1037
01:02:18.000 --> 01:02:20.480
way that kind of blew my mind or excited me.

1038
01:02:21.480 --> 01:02:25.800
But after the last five years, it's really hard for

1039
01:02:25.840 --> 01:02:29.519
me not to say Discovery because I've watched I've watched

1040
01:02:29.559 --> 01:02:33.519
this very special path with this show, and this show

1041
01:02:33.639 --> 01:02:37.480
means something to me that's incredibly unique and very special.

1042
01:02:38.159 --> 01:02:40.599
So I mean, I'll give you the sentimental answer, but

1043
01:02:40.639 --> 01:02:45.719
then I'll say, also, Discovery is lives large in my heart.

1044
01:02:47.000 --> 01:02:47.480
Nice.

1045
01:02:47.639 --> 01:02:48.840
Wow a lot.

1046
01:02:48.880 --> 01:02:49.360
That's cool.

1047
01:02:50.000 --> 01:02:54.400
Well, thank you for me on the show, and I guess, yeah,

1048
01:02:54.760 --> 01:02:55.639
pat it over to IC.

1049
01:02:56.840 --> 01:02:59.719
Oh my gosh, I am having so much fun listening

1050
01:02:59.719 --> 01:03:02.679
to you talk about Star Trek and your experiences and

1051
01:03:02.719 --> 01:03:05.679
all this stuff. David, thank you so much for coming

1052
01:03:05.719 --> 01:03:11.199
on the show. Yeah, can you, I guess, tell us

1053
01:03:11.199 --> 01:03:15.400
a little bit about how you got involved in the show.

1054
01:03:17.079 --> 01:03:22.280
Yeah. It came like I'd always again, like I had

1055
01:03:22.360 --> 01:03:28.639
always been fascinated by this this kind of work, and

1056
01:03:29.280 --> 01:03:31.519
you know, always wondered what it would be like, and

1057
01:03:31.519 --> 01:03:34.920
then when the opportunity happened, it was it happened very quickly,

1058
01:03:35.039 --> 01:03:37.880
and then suddenly I was, you know, doing camera tests

1059
01:03:37.960 --> 01:03:42.280
as a Klingon and figuring out the product. I had

1060
01:03:42.360 --> 01:03:45.559
to go. I had to figure it out, and you know,

1061
01:03:46.159 --> 01:03:48.639
every mask is different. I mean, the big challenge with

1062
01:03:48.719 --> 01:03:53.920
Linus was you can't there's really no, there's not a

1063
01:03:53.960 --> 01:03:56.119
lot that you can see of my face. You can't

1064
01:03:56.119 --> 01:03:58.679
even see my eyes. At least with Klingons you could

1065
01:03:58.679 --> 01:04:02.440
see the eyes. So I had to develop very quickly

1066
01:04:02.519 --> 01:04:09.559
a very physical language with Linus that that became well,

1067
01:04:09.599 --> 01:04:12.519
that was very specific and was able to communicate reaction

1068
01:04:12.639 --> 01:04:15.800
and emotion, and that was sort of my big unpacking

1069
01:04:15.840 --> 01:04:18.599
with him, and that's very different than being a kling on.

1070
01:04:19.400 --> 01:04:22.440
So figuring out what also the mask demands as you're working?

1071
01:04:24.239 --> 01:04:28.000
Oh yeah, I mean who are you trying to play?

1072
01:04:28.079 --> 01:04:31.119
Do you so? Given that you are one of very

1073
01:04:31.159 --> 01:04:36.960
few Sarians to actually appear on screen, do you do

1074
01:04:37.039 --> 01:04:40.559
you know anything about Sarian culture that I don't already know?

1075
01:04:42.039 --> 01:04:45.760
Well, I mean, what do you know the foreheart?

1076
01:04:47.320 --> 01:04:51.679
Like, let's talk about the Brandy? So so, why what

1077
01:04:51.719 --> 01:04:54.960
do you think Sorry and Brandy tastes like, Oh, I.

1078
01:04:54.920 --> 01:04:57.440
Mean, look at I'm a tequila man, so in my

1079
01:04:57.559 --> 01:04:59.800
mind it tastes a lot like tequila because it's the

1080
01:05:00.199 --> 01:05:03.519
he's the only thing that I drink. But I think

1081
01:05:03.519 --> 01:05:07.000
it's probably it tastes like tequila, but it's probably thicker.

1082
01:05:07.599 --> 01:05:10.760
It's it's like, I don't know, like a what is

1083
01:05:10.800 --> 01:05:13.719
the like a Bailey's you know how that's it's got

1084
01:05:13.719 --> 01:05:14.519
a thickness to it.

1085
01:05:14.599 --> 01:05:17.039
Sure it's got some discosity.

1086
01:05:16.599 --> 01:05:19.119
Yeah, viscosity. So, like I say, I feel like Sorry

1087
01:05:19.159 --> 01:05:23.559
and Brandy is probably like a viscus tequila drink. I

1088
01:05:23.639 --> 01:05:25.840
do wish. I do wish at some point there had

1089
01:05:25.880 --> 01:05:29.840
been a Sorry and Brandy gag. I get why there wasn't,

1090
01:05:30.559 --> 01:05:32.960
But I just it's so talked about and if you're

1091
01:05:32.960 --> 01:05:35.199
ever gonna do it, it's with this guy.

1092
01:05:35.760 --> 01:05:40.239
Uh But you know, I mean I do feel like

1093
01:05:40.320 --> 01:05:44.400
that's a little bit of a missed opportunity. But I've

1094
01:05:44.199 --> 01:05:49.360
I've thought about this, and you know, so sour hands

1095
01:05:49.400 --> 01:05:54.000
are sort of lizard people, right, yes? Yeah, so do

1096
01:05:54.119 --> 01:05:57.840
they So do they come from a from like a

1097
01:05:57.920 --> 01:05:58.760
dry planet?

1098
01:05:59.440 --> 01:05:59.639
Is that?

1099
01:06:00.920 --> 01:06:06.280
I always envisioned their planet as hot and and like volcanic,

1100
01:06:06.519 --> 01:06:12.159
so it's like humid and hot. Okay, Okay, yeah, I

1101
01:06:12.159 --> 01:06:16.400
mean I would not like to go to Linus's home planet.

1102
01:06:16.480 --> 01:06:17.960
I think that would have been.

1103
01:06:19.599 --> 01:06:19.840
Great.

1104
01:06:20.239 --> 01:06:23.599
Yeah, that would have been great to see more of

1105
01:06:23.599 --> 01:06:26.039
what the where. Like, It's it's one of those species

1106
01:06:26.079 --> 01:06:29.039
that really anything. They could do anything at this point

1107
01:06:29.519 --> 01:06:30.440
with the species.

1108
01:06:32.199 --> 01:06:36.440
Well yeah, and your character gave enough personal connection to

1109
01:06:36.679 --> 01:06:41.480
make it meaningful for people. But like, without really leaning

1110
01:06:41.679 --> 01:06:45.400
into it, I feel like they could have used Sorian whatever.

1111
01:06:45.760 --> 01:06:49.199
I guess. Do Saurians come from Saria?

1112
01:06:56.440 --> 01:06:59.559
I would say because in the beginning there was that

1113
01:07:00.599 --> 01:07:06.239
there was the the idea that the translator on the

1114
01:07:06.239 --> 01:07:10.280
ship was having trouble with his clicks and pops. Sure,

1115
01:07:10.320 --> 01:07:14.000
So I think that maybe his planet is a word

1116
01:07:14.039 --> 01:07:17.760
that doesn't translate readily. You know, it probably sounds like

1117
01:07:18.320 --> 01:07:20.800
you know, you know, like who.

1118
01:07:20.599 --> 01:07:23.280
Knows, so they would just call it Sarya, right.

1119
01:07:23.239 --> 01:07:26.480
Yeah, they would probably call it just because it's a

1120
01:07:26.519 --> 01:07:28.920
great question. I've never thought about it. Yeah, what is

1121
01:07:28.920 --> 01:07:31.199
that planet? What's his own planet?

1122
01:07:32.440 --> 01:07:35.039
It's got to have an a. And like, I'm convinced

1123
01:07:35.039 --> 01:07:38.519
that every single culture in Star Trek calls their planet

1124
01:07:39.000 --> 01:07:43.719
earth or like dirt or you know, some version of

1125
01:07:43.760 --> 01:07:47.400
that in their language, because like, if you don't know

1126
01:07:47.440 --> 01:07:49.000
there's other stuff out there, what are you going to

1127
01:07:49.079 --> 01:07:51.519
call where you're standing? You're going to call it like.

1128
01:07:51.920 --> 01:07:58.159
Yeah, it's home to you, So it would make sense, right, yeah, right, yeah,

1129
01:07:58.360 --> 01:08:02.239
I'm sorry, let's say that it's sorry, it sounds weird,

1130
01:08:02.760 --> 01:08:05.960
I guess, but yeah, sorry, volcanic.

1131
01:08:06.079 --> 01:08:09.519
Sorry, I love it. Yeah, I love that Volcanic. Sorry

1132
01:08:09.760 --> 01:08:12.360
is where is where you people come from? There's like

1133
01:08:12.440 --> 01:08:16.119
a there's like an egg laying clutch thing that happens

1134
01:08:16.279 --> 01:08:19.000
right with like reproduction, So tell take us through the

1135
01:08:19.039 --> 01:08:21.800
reproduction cycle of a.

1136
01:08:25.439 --> 01:08:29.319
Well that that that they are asexual creatures and they

1137
01:08:29.439 --> 01:08:33.520
lay clutches and in my mind, like in these hot pockets,

1138
01:08:33.840 --> 01:08:36.000
you know where they'd be, like they kept eggs, are

1139
01:08:36.079 --> 01:08:41.600
kept warm by the volcanic steam, and then the hatchlings

1140
01:08:41.600 --> 01:08:44.720
come and then they're attended by the entire community because

1141
01:08:44.720 --> 01:08:48.439
they're very community focused people, and they they raise them

1142
01:08:48.439 --> 01:08:53.159
in these waves generational waves.

1143
01:08:53.239 --> 01:08:56.640
Did I just hear veris lay eggs in hot pockets?

1144
01:08:56.680 --> 01:09:01.119
Did I O roascery store?

1145
01:09:01.199 --> 01:09:03.560
Is that that sounds so yummy? Though?

1146
01:09:04.079 --> 01:09:06.680
The worst kind of hot pocket? Sorry an egg?

1147
01:09:11.319 --> 01:09:12.000
Oh my god?

1148
01:09:12.359 --> 01:09:15.079
Why does my hot pocket taste like chicken? No darling,

1149
01:09:15.159 --> 01:09:16.720
It tastes like sorry.

1150
01:09:16.359 --> 01:09:22.399
And oh, oh my god. So do you think like

1151
01:09:22.520 --> 01:09:25.960
sarians lay many many young and then you know it's

1152
01:09:25.960 --> 01:09:29.760
one of those like sea turtle situations where only you know,

1153
01:09:29.840 --> 01:09:33.800
twenty percent survive or something because there's some predator that

1154
01:09:34.720 --> 01:09:35.159
Like are.

1155
01:09:35.079 --> 01:09:39.199
You talking about that snake beach clip? Did you ever

1156
01:09:39.279 --> 01:09:40.119
see that thing?

1157
01:09:40.439 --> 01:09:41.159
Did you see?

1158
01:09:43.000 --> 01:09:45.079
Do you know what I'm talking about? That? I watched

1159
01:09:45.159 --> 01:09:47.359
that on a loop for like a day because I

1160
01:09:47.399 --> 01:09:51.159
could not believe that that was real life, Like I

1161
01:09:51.239 --> 01:09:53.880
know what you're like, this is your best move is

1162
01:09:53.920 --> 01:09:57.199
to lay your kids on snake beach And I didn't

1163
01:09:57.239 --> 01:10:01.199
even know like would a racer snake or razor whatever

1164
01:10:01.279 --> 01:10:04.960
they are, like, these eight foot long lightning bolts are

1165
01:10:05.000 --> 01:10:07.600
gonna slither out of these rocks and descend upon your

1166
01:10:07.640 --> 01:10:11.760
young Like what, No, in my mind, it is not

1167
01:10:12.079 --> 01:10:15.680
like that at all. The eggs are lovingly deposited and

1168
01:10:15.760 --> 01:10:21.279
cared for and protected. There's no snakes. That was That

1169
01:10:21.359 --> 01:10:27.119
clip still gives me anxiety to watch it is. It's awful.

1170
01:10:27.560 --> 01:10:29.760
I mean, I guess that it's nature and that it's real,

1171
01:10:30.880 --> 01:10:32.680
but holy mackerel.

1172
01:10:32.439 --> 01:10:36.319
Lend some authenticity to the whole, like you know, aggressiveness

1173
01:10:36.640 --> 01:10:37.079
of it all.

1174
01:10:37.560 --> 01:10:40.960
Yes, yeah, it's like here's life, here's how brutal life

1175
01:10:41.000 --> 01:10:42.960
can be good exactly.

1176
01:10:43.399 --> 01:10:46.439
I just had an interesting thought about the showings. Actually,

1177
01:10:46.479 --> 01:10:48.960
what if they are like related to the going.

1178
01:10:50.359 --> 01:10:52.600
Oh yeah, because they're lizard people.

1179
01:10:52.720 --> 01:10:56.800
Sure, yeah, sure, absolutely. I mean that these are the

1180
01:10:57.039 --> 01:11:01.319
little pockets that you know, could be explored. Who knows?

1181
01:11:02.840 --> 01:11:07.720
Oh yeah, now, no question. Uh So I didn't know

1182
01:11:07.800 --> 01:11:10.920
that the blinky eyes were post production, So that was

1183
01:11:11.439 --> 01:11:16.000
that was pretty cool to learn. But do you have

1184
01:11:16.119 --> 01:11:20.920
any personal you know, like, okay, so season five shot, right,

1185
01:11:21.399 --> 01:11:24.840
and then you have to reshoot a couple of things. Did

1186
01:11:24.880 --> 01:11:28.000
you have any personal I'm assuming that you didn't know

1187
01:11:28.039 --> 01:11:32.520
anything about potential season six, So do you have any

1188
01:11:32.560 --> 01:11:36.560
personal headcannon of like, Okay, this is where I would

1189
01:11:36.600 --> 01:11:42.079
have loved the the thing to go, oh, you know,

1190
01:11:42.399 --> 01:11:46.359
versus like I is, if that's too big, let me know, But.

1191
01:11:46.319 --> 01:11:50.119
I don't know. It's a great question. It's a great question. Yeah,

1192
01:11:50.479 --> 01:11:54.960
you know, if I if I really look at Linus's

1193
01:11:55.039 --> 01:11:59.279
journey aboard the ship, it really runs parallel and unsurprisingly

1194
01:11:59.399 --> 01:12:06.000
so to my own. You know, like over the over

1195
01:12:06.039 --> 01:12:08.920
the four seasons, he's around more and more, is more

1196
01:12:09.039 --> 01:12:12.359
part of the crew, and by season five he's he's

1197
01:12:12.520 --> 01:12:14.479
he's on the bridge and he's stationed on the bridge,

1198
01:12:14.479 --> 01:12:18.119
and he's he has his own station. He's he's gotten

1199
01:12:18.119 --> 01:12:21.680
there and he's earned it. And season five was was

1200
01:12:21.680 --> 01:12:25.039
was really like I felt like, Okay, I've got this,

1201
01:12:25.119 --> 01:12:29.439
I've got this figured out. I'm here, let's go and

1202
01:12:29.479 --> 01:12:34.800
then where and then the whole thing stops. So in

1203
01:12:34.880 --> 01:12:40.119
my head six season there would have been just more

1204
01:12:40.479 --> 01:12:44.680
more build like and maybe maybe something about sorry, you know,

1205
01:12:44.800 --> 01:12:48.680
maybe something about Linus as a character, but like being

1206
01:12:48.720 --> 01:12:52.000
in the thick of it and being around and being

1207
01:12:52.159 --> 01:12:57.880
frontline centers been very cool. I don't I didn't have

1208
01:12:57.920 --> 01:13:03.439
any specific story ideas. I just was excited to see

1209
01:13:03.479 --> 01:13:06.239
where we were going to go next and and excited that,

1210
01:13:06.319 --> 01:13:09.760
you know, Linus's part kept getting bigger and bigger. M.

1211
01:13:10.720 --> 01:13:13.119
Yeah, I mean, I think one of the things that

1212
01:13:13.239 --> 01:13:18.920
Discovery did really well along the way was give certain characters,

1213
01:13:19.439 --> 01:13:25.000
you know, moments to do character building, not just you know,

1214
01:13:25.039 --> 01:13:28.920
whatever the main line of the story was, but to

1215
01:13:29.199 --> 01:13:31.720
sort of pull aside and say, oh no, it's important

1216
01:13:31.720 --> 01:13:34.279
to develop you know, what's going on with this character

1217
01:13:34.399 --> 01:13:37.600
that character. And I could completely see in a season

1218
01:13:37.680 --> 01:13:40.760
six Linus getting that sort of airtime, so to speak.

1219
01:13:41.319 --> 01:13:44.399
Yeah, And you know, like I I understand in the

1220
01:13:44.399 --> 01:13:48.079
big picture that Linus is, you know, a small piece

1221
01:13:48.359 --> 01:13:52.600
of the Discovery adventure, but it was a giant adventure

1222
01:13:52.680 --> 01:13:57.079
for me. And that's why I'm that's you know, that's

1223
01:13:57.159 --> 01:14:01.560
I love talking about it and I celebrating it. And

1224
01:14:02.079 --> 01:14:05.039
it would have been great to see where they would

1225
01:14:05.079 --> 01:14:07.560
have gone and what you would have done next.

1226
01:14:08.520 --> 01:14:10.840
Well, it's so fun to talk to you about your

1227
01:14:10.880 --> 01:14:13.840
experiences and the actors that you got to be with,

1228
01:14:14.079 --> 01:14:16.359
and you know, your thoughts about the character and the

1229
01:14:16.399 --> 01:14:18.359
culture and all that sort of stuff. So thank you

1230
01:14:18.439 --> 01:14:21.760
so much for coming on our podcast. I really really

1231
01:14:21.800 --> 01:14:24.960
appreciate It's been an absolute joy to just listen to

1232
01:14:25.000 --> 01:14:27.880
you talk about your experience. Like one of the things

1233
01:14:27.880 --> 01:14:30.439
that we talk about on this podcast is that, you know,

1234
01:14:30.640 --> 01:14:33.159
for just some guys who like Star Trek and we

1235
01:14:33.279 --> 01:14:37.239
just talk about Star Trek, and if other people aren't

1236
01:14:37.239 --> 01:14:40.680
sharing that experience with you, then it's not as meaningful.

1237
01:14:41.119 --> 01:14:43.800
And so have you come on talk about your experience

1238
01:14:44.000 --> 01:14:46.319
is just super good. So thank you.

1239
01:14:47.000 --> 01:14:50.279
I appreciate it. You know, like it's it's community rights.

1240
01:14:50.359 --> 01:14:53.479
It's one of the core values of the Discovery cast.

1241
01:14:53.560 --> 01:14:57.439
It's like, you know, it's being there for a community

1242
01:14:57.520 --> 01:15:01.800
and inspiring community, and it's it's I'm still not sick

1243
01:15:01.840 --> 01:15:04.439
of talking about it.

1244
01:15:04.560 --> 01:15:05.199
Good for you.

1245
01:15:05.680 --> 01:15:07.960
I love it. We're not sick of talking about it either.

1246
01:15:09.640 --> 01:15:11.319
And you know, to a point, I forget which one

1247
01:15:11.319 --> 01:15:16.560
of you said it about the show and that it

1248
01:15:16.600 --> 01:15:20.319
will have something to offer people in the future, and

1249
01:15:21.640 --> 01:15:25.840
and you know, like Discovery definitely has something to offer people.

1250
01:15:25.920 --> 01:15:29.119
And that doesn't mean it's a show for everyone, but

1251
01:15:29.239 --> 01:15:33.920
I know that there's something really lovely and exciting on

1252
01:15:34.079 --> 01:15:38.079
offer in the show, and I do hope that you know,

1253
01:15:39.199 --> 01:15:43.359
future audiences, if they choose to circle back and take

1254
01:15:43.359 --> 01:15:45.800
a ride on board the ship, that they have a

1255
01:15:45.840 --> 01:15:48.159
great time, as great as time as we had making it.

1256
01:15:50.000 --> 01:15:52.760
I am convinced that they will. I think from season

1257
01:15:52.840 --> 01:15:56.000
one of Discovery, we have all on the podcast thought

1258
01:15:56.000 --> 01:15:59.560
about how ahead of its time it actually was. So

1259
01:15:59.560 --> 01:16:04.159
I think Paul touched on that, and I think in

1260
01:16:04.279 --> 01:16:07.720
ten fifteen years too will be like, yeah, yeah, that's

1261
01:16:07.760 --> 01:16:11.680
the Star Trek that started this Star Trek revolution or

1262
01:16:11.800 --> 01:16:15.720
addressed this cultural thing, or you know, brought Star Trek

1263
01:16:15.800 --> 01:16:18.399
into the twenty first century or whatever. I just I

1264
01:16:18.560 --> 01:16:21.640
really believe that we all on the podcast believe that

1265
01:16:21.760 --> 01:16:22.359
to be true.

1266
01:16:22.479 --> 01:16:24.800
So, which is exciting. And in the meantime, we have

1267
01:16:24.880 --> 01:16:27.159
lots of exciting things to look forward to in terms

1268
01:16:27.199 --> 01:16:30.159
of Section thirty one in Starfleet Academy and you know,

1269
01:16:30.279 --> 01:16:33.079
more Strange New World. So it's a pretty good time

1270
01:16:33.079 --> 01:16:34.039
to be a Star Trek fan.

1271
01:16:35.920 --> 01:16:39.479
The Golden Age. Absolutely, thank you so much.

1272
01:16:40.560 --> 01:16:43.680
So, David. I I just got a couple of questions.

1273
01:16:44.640 --> 01:16:47.720
Is there any in the future are we going to

1274
01:16:47.760 --> 01:16:50.840
see a Linus action figure?

1275
01:16:51.319 --> 01:16:54.920
Oh? I get asked that all the time. Look at

1276
01:16:55.159 --> 01:16:59.560
I'm getting the first one. If it ever happened, I

1277
01:16:59.680 --> 01:17:02.439
am to get number one. Not not that I am

1278
01:17:02.479 --> 01:17:07.159
aware of, Not that I'm aware of. And I'm I'm

1279
01:17:08.000 --> 01:17:10.600
I don't know that I would necessarily be informed if

1280
01:17:10.760 --> 01:17:14.079
they were going to do it, But I mean I

1281
01:17:14.079 --> 01:17:18.760
would love it just for my Linus shelf. But uh,

1282
01:17:19.800 --> 01:17:21.680
not nothing that I'm aware of right now.

1283
01:17:22.359 --> 01:17:29.199
Wait, wait tell us, I'm just like you just said that.

1284
01:17:29.239 --> 01:17:30.840
I was like, no, no, tell us more.

1285
01:17:31.600 --> 01:17:39.000
Oh, my Linus shelf is how to describe it, I

1286
01:17:39.000 --> 01:17:45.319
guess mementos and bits and pieces fan art. Someone sent

1287
01:17:45.399 --> 01:17:49.600
me a crocheted Linus stall, a gorgeous picture of me

1288
01:17:49.720 --> 01:17:55.960
and Doug hugging as Linus and Seru, just like mementos

1289
01:17:56.039 --> 01:18:02.199
from the trail of the Adventure. Meaningful stuff, yeah, meaningful stuff,

1290
01:18:03.319 --> 01:18:08.920
you know, beautiful beautiful fanhard and uh just yeah, just

1291
01:18:08.960 --> 01:18:13.239
a And there's a there was a poster that they

1292
01:18:13.720 --> 01:18:17.000
hung shortly after he made his I think it was

1293
01:18:17.039 --> 01:18:20.880
taken from this camera test anyway. It's a picture of

1294
01:18:21.279 --> 01:18:24.399
Linus at his camera test, or me at the camera

1295
01:18:24.439 --> 01:18:27.600
test as Linus. But it's a I forget I don't

1296
01:18:27.640 --> 01:18:29.680
know who started it, but someone and the crew got

1297
01:18:29.680 --> 01:18:31.880
their hands on a picture and they made it into

1298
01:18:31.920 --> 01:18:36.079
a poster and it just says Linus say Relax. And

1299
01:18:36.119 --> 01:18:40.520
they hung it all over the set. They hung it

1300
01:18:40.560 --> 01:18:43.159
all over the set. It was like all over the place.

1301
01:18:43.319 --> 01:18:47.199
And so someone made me a giant poster sized version

1302
01:18:47.399 --> 01:18:50.000
and I framed it and so that's on the Linus.

1303
01:18:50.239 --> 01:18:53.600
I mean, it's a big part of that. But yeah,

1304
01:18:53.640 --> 01:18:57.279
like thee yeah, yeah, yeah, centerpiece, that's the word.

1305
01:18:58.239 --> 01:19:02.680
Yeah, David, I wanted to ask you about season one

1306
01:19:03.199 --> 01:19:07.479
of Discovery. You played a klingon. Were you how far

1307
01:19:07.600 --> 01:19:11.079
ahead were you aware of the story or did you

1308
01:19:11.199 --> 01:19:13.840
not know the story just just the scripts you were

1309
01:19:14.239 --> 01:19:14.800
featured in.

1310
01:19:17.720 --> 01:19:22.079
I did not. I was only aware of the episodes

1311
01:19:22.119 --> 01:19:29.159
that I was appearing in. The secrecy around the first

1312
01:19:29.159 --> 01:19:34.279
season was really intense. I remember that we had these

1313
01:19:34.399 --> 01:19:39.640
huge football cloaks with the hoods, so if we were

1314
01:19:39.680 --> 01:19:43.680
in prosthetic and we had to go anywhere outside, we

1315
01:19:43.760 --> 01:19:46.560
had to don these giant cloaks so no one could

1316
01:19:46.640 --> 01:19:51.119
see the prosthetics. There was so much secrecy, so I

1317
01:19:51.159 --> 01:19:54.600
was only seeing scripts for the episodes that I was in,

1318
01:19:55.000 --> 01:19:55.800
so I.

1319
01:19:56.399 --> 01:20:02.079
Didn't just excellent. So yeah, when we as fans, we

1320
01:20:02.199 --> 01:20:05.359
talked about this on the podcast so much when we

1321
01:20:05.479 --> 01:20:09.439
found out that Lorca was actually from the Mirror Universe.

1322
01:20:09.960 --> 01:20:12.079
Did you find that out at the same time that

1323
01:20:12.119 --> 01:20:15.640
we did, and did you see it coming at all?

1324
01:20:15.720 --> 01:20:20.399
I mean, it's weird. I never shot anything on the

1325
01:20:20.479 --> 01:20:24.119
Discovery stage that season, so I was very separate from

1326
01:20:24.199 --> 01:20:28.239
what was happening on the Discovery side. So I think

1327
01:20:28.279 --> 01:20:32.560
around season or round episode nine, when I was on

1328
01:20:32.600 --> 01:20:35.079
the Sarco ship and that was the one where they

1329
01:20:35.159 --> 01:20:41.279
blew it up. I think I'd heard some scuttle but

1330
01:20:41.880 --> 01:20:48.039
that Lorca was Mirror Universe or something just through crew

1331
01:20:48.119 --> 01:20:53.479
and people that I was working with. But that was

1332
01:20:53.600 --> 01:20:55.960
a surprise to me when I found out, and it

1333
01:20:56.000 --> 01:20:58.720
was so exciting to watch when I finally watched the episode.

1334
01:21:00.359 --> 01:21:03.880
Now, did you get to do any scenes with the

1335
01:21:03.920 --> 01:21:05.359
incredible Michelle Yo.

1336
01:21:07.039 --> 01:21:10.920
I did. I had a brief scene with Oh, I

1337
01:21:10.960 --> 01:21:16.880
know a couple. They started this strange flirtation with Jorjo

1338
01:21:17.039 --> 01:21:21.560
and Linus in season three at the top of the season.

1339
01:21:22.760 --> 01:21:27.560
So there's a scene where the Discoveries crashed in the

1340
01:21:27.600 --> 01:21:33.119
future and they're piecing the shit back together, and Jorjos

1341
01:21:33.119 --> 01:21:36.000
spots Linus and uses him as an excuse to dodge

1342
01:21:36.000 --> 01:21:41.439
a conversation with Non And then later there's a dinner

1343
01:21:42.840 --> 01:21:48.039
sequence in Serrou's quarters and they have Georgo and Linus

1344
01:21:48.079 --> 01:21:50.800
sitting together, and I remember Michelle turning to me and saying,

1345
01:21:50.800 --> 01:21:52.680
are they trying to set us up? Because they were

1346
01:21:52.720 --> 01:21:54.920
having us be kind of flirted with each other, and

1347
01:21:55.000 --> 01:21:58.520
I was, which I thought was hilarious. I thought it

1348
01:21:58.560 --> 01:22:00.880
was such a great match. I was like, this makes

1349
01:22:00.920 --> 01:22:05.960
total sense that Linus would be into this terrifying, incredible woman.

1350
01:22:07.880 --> 01:22:10.880
I was like, this makes total sense. Very and then

1351
01:22:10.920 --> 01:22:15.079
I found out, Oh, she's leaving. She's leaving the ship.

1352
01:22:15.520 --> 01:22:17.119
So I think it was just I don't know what

1353
01:22:17.159 --> 01:22:18.880
their intention was was at, but we sh had a

1354
01:22:18.920 --> 01:22:22.199
couple of scenes together and we had a lot of blasts.

1355
01:22:22.279 --> 01:22:28.079
She's also unbelievably lovely and super fun to paler around with.

1356
01:22:29.960 --> 01:22:32.880
And you know, before we say goodbye, I just want

1357
01:22:32.920 --> 01:22:37.840
to say, for me, Star Trek, Discovery I think is

1358
01:22:37.880 --> 01:22:44.479
the closest thing to Tos as far as representation and

1359
01:22:44.680 --> 01:22:49.960
inclusiveness goes. I think Discovery is leaps and bounds above

1360
01:22:50.079 --> 01:22:55.520
anything that star Trek has done since Toos and the

1361
01:22:56.119 --> 01:23:00.119
love that comes across on the screen for me anyways,

1362
01:23:00.159 --> 01:23:04.640
you know, between say Stammet's and Colbert, or even a

1363
01:23:04.800 --> 01:23:08.520
Deira and the new family that she finds herself in

1364
01:23:09.720 --> 01:23:14.439
the the love that comes across between these characters through

1365
01:23:14.439 --> 01:23:17.800
the screen. Is it just incredible? Is it the same

1366
01:23:17.840 --> 01:23:19.800
way when you're there when when you're filming it in

1367
01:23:19.840 --> 01:23:23.880
person on the set? Is that coming through or or

1368
01:23:23.880 --> 01:23:25.239
am I reading stuff that's not.

1369
01:23:25.319 --> 01:23:28.159
There in terms of how we are when we're on

1370
01:23:28.279 --> 01:23:32.520
set together and between seeks. Yeah, No, that is very much.

1371
01:23:32.600 --> 01:23:37.439
That is actually the vibe. You know, I've you know,

1372
01:23:38.000 --> 01:23:42.880
I've had many conversations with Anthony that are very funny.

1373
01:23:43.800 --> 01:23:50.000
Wilson is lovely. There is a real sense of community.

1374
01:23:50.039 --> 01:23:53.960
When you went into work, you know that you were

1375
01:23:54.640 --> 01:23:57.439
you didn't know who you were, You weren't necessarily teamed

1376
01:23:57.479 --> 01:23:59.960
up with the same people every every day that you shot,

1377
01:24:00.119 --> 01:24:04.960
but you knew that there was going to be someone

1378
01:24:05.399 --> 01:24:07.119
you know that you were going to be with good people,

1379
01:24:08.319 --> 01:24:11.159
And a lot of my time I spent with the

1380
01:24:11.199 --> 01:24:17.159
Bridge crew, and certainly Patrick who played Reese his certainly

1381
01:24:17.159 --> 01:24:20.439
one of my Bridge, my Bridge boys, and Orville who

1382
01:24:20.479 --> 01:24:24.520
played with Anna Christopher also and whenever Doug is on

1383
01:24:24.560 --> 01:24:27.359
the bridge, then you and I would certainly pile around.

1384
01:24:27.359 --> 01:24:33.000
But there was a real there was a real vibe.

1385
01:24:33.199 --> 01:24:37.239
I guess sounds a bit weird use of the word,

1386
01:24:37.319 --> 01:24:43.000
but there's just a real family vibe and just respect

1387
01:24:43.039 --> 01:24:48.600
and goodwill and everyone just loved and supported everyone, and

1388
01:24:48.680 --> 01:24:53.119
not to say that, you know, like as a community,

1389
01:24:53.199 --> 01:24:56.039
we functioned as a whole, and then inside the community

1390
01:24:56.159 --> 01:24:59.960
they were like little groupings because you certain people were

1391
01:25:00.279 --> 01:25:03.680
with different groups more. But it was never competitive. It

1392
01:25:03.720 --> 01:25:06.520
was always just no, and there's this pocket and there's

1393
01:25:06.560 --> 01:25:09.079
this pocket. But then we worked together as a whole.

1394
01:25:09.880 --> 01:25:11.960
I don't know that I've had a work experience that

1395
01:25:12.199 --> 01:25:22.600
was so unbelievably joyous in terms of the mix of personalities.

1396
01:25:22.640 --> 01:25:25.600
It was a really beautiful mix. And if someone was

1397
01:25:25.640 --> 01:25:30.239
having a hard day, everyone was there for them.

1398
01:25:30.319 --> 01:25:31.399
So you think that's.

1399
01:25:31.399 --> 01:25:34.079
Part like I was just going to say, do you

1400
01:25:34.079 --> 01:25:37.560
think that's part of the focus of Discovery being just

1401
01:25:37.600 --> 01:25:42.680
a little bit more inclusive and you know, celebrating people

1402
01:25:42.720 --> 01:25:45.920
in Star Trek who maybe haven't been celebrated along the way,

1403
01:25:46.039 --> 01:25:49.119
or who deserve more celebration or that sort of said.

1404
01:25:49.119 --> 01:25:51.800
Do you think that the the you know, that general

1405
01:25:51.920 --> 01:25:53.800
culture is what led to that?

1406
01:25:54.159 --> 01:26:00.640
On the set, I'd say it's Sniqua ent her incredible leadership.

1407
01:26:02.159 --> 01:26:06.439
I'd say it is luck with casting. They just cast

1408
01:26:06.560 --> 01:26:11.800
people who were this eclectic mix of people who played

1409
01:26:11.880 --> 01:26:15.560
really really well together. And I don't think it's anyone

1410
01:26:15.600 --> 01:26:19.199
expected it to be like that, but I'm so grateful

1411
01:26:19.199 --> 01:26:19.800
that it was.

1412
01:26:23.119 --> 01:26:27.920
Later on in season two, they when tig Nataro came

1413
01:26:27.960 --> 01:26:31.439
along and joined the crew. We we just love love

1414
01:26:31.560 --> 01:26:35.319
tign carro Her, you know, was incredible. You had some

1415
01:26:35.359 --> 01:26:39.159
scenes with her as well. You guys were playing a

1416
01:26:39.199 --> 01:26:41.680
game at the table of Otto sinnonon.

1417
01:26:41.920 --> 01:26:45.840
I think it was right, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1418
01:26:45.640 --> 01:26:46.880
I forget what it was called.

1419
01:26:48.239 --> 01:26:51.439
Yeah, what was that like? Because she cracks me up.

1420
01:26:51.479 --> 01:26:55.079
She's so dead pan in her I mean, oh, I

1421
01:26:55.079 --> 01:26:58.399
mean she just cracks me up. Everything she's in cracks

1422
01:26:58.479 --> 01:27:03.760
me up. How did you hold a straight face any

1423
01:27:03.880 --> 01:27:04.560
one of the makeup?

1424
01:27:05.079 --> 01:27:06.720
Yeah, like, no one can see my face, So I

1425
01:27:06.760 --> 01:27:11.079
get away with murder in that makeup. Shooting with take

1426
01:27:11.239 --> 01:27:14.399
is a total joy. I mean it's everyone's having a

1427
01:27:14.439 --> 01:27:18.439
good time and she's hilarious and so the scene just

1428
01:27:18.680 --> 01:27:21.479
you know, is always fun to do because she's always

1429
01:27:21.680 --> 01:27:26.159
coming at it slightly different, making it funny. Everyone's working

1430
01:27:26.159 --> 01:27:31.199
together to make that moment work. It's pretty great. She

1431
01:27:31.800 --> 01:27:35.680
was a great addition. I think the crew, she really

1432
01:27:35.720 --> 01:27:38.479
really was for sure. And she's going to be in

1433
01:27:38.520 --> 01:27:39.439
Starfleet Academy.

1434
01:27:39.479 --> 01:27:39.800
I hear.

1435
01:27:39.880 --> 01:27:42.159
So that's so there'll be more Jet Reno.

1436
01:27:43.560 --> 01:27:46.439
That's great. Now. Oh, one of the fans wanted me

1437
01:27:46.479 --> 01:27:50.560
to ask you a question. So Discovery ended, we pretty

1438
01:27:50.640 --> 01:27:53.319
much know where most of the crew ended up or

1439
01:27:53.880 --> 01:27:59.279
was going, but they never told us where Lionis went.

1440
01:28:00.720 --> 01:28:03.399
You know, we know where Stanmit's and Colbert We're going.

1441
01:28:03.439 --> 01:28:06.159
We know Tilly's going to the Academy, we know where

1442
01:28:06.159 --> 01:28:08.279
Debtmer's going, and we know where all what's going. We

1443
01:28:08.359 --> 01:28:11.439
know where Burnham ends up with Booker, we know what

1444
01:28:11.600 --> 01:28:15.319
thru got married, But what happened to Linus? Where did

1445
01:28:15.399 --> 01:28:18.600
he go? And I guess it's up to you now

1446
01:28:18.640 --> 01:28:21.840
to make it canon and tell us where Linus ended

1447
01:28:21.920 --> 01:28:22.119
up with.

1448
01:28:22.520 --> 01:28:26.560
You know, it's a great question. Pressure, I'll tell you.

1449
01:28:26.520 --> 01:28:28.199
This, Yeah, no pressure, No pressure.

1450
01:28:28.199 --> 01:28:32.439
No pressure. One of the big character qualities for me

1451
01:28:32.479 --> 01:28:38.039
about Linus was a sense of loyalty. That's something that

1452
01:28:38.239 --> 01:28:42.359
was a sense of being protective and loyal to his crew.

1453
01:28:42.520 --> 01:28:47.960
So in my mind, Linus is still up there on

1454
01:28:48.000 --> 01:28:52.039
the Discovery, a loyal crew member, functioning as part of

1455
01:28:52.039 --> 01:28:56.279
the crew because that's where he feels his purpose is.

1456
01:28:56.840 --> 01:28:59.920
And at some points he may go find something else

1457
01:29:00.079 --> 01:29:03.239
to do. But I think he would have stayed aboard

1458
01:29:03.239 --> 01:29:06.119
the Discovery for a time.

1459
01:29:09.039 --> 01:29:13.399
For yeah, because we know Burnham sends Discovery off to

1460
01:29:13.479 --> 01:29:15.560
the Nebula.

1461
01:29:15.239 --> 01:29:18.439
For to set up calypse way in the future, way

1462
01:29:18.479 --> 01:29:19.479
in the future.

1463
01:29:19.800 --> 01:29:22.399
But way way in the future, right, right.

1464
01:29:22.239 --> 01:29:24.800
So he'd spend like a number of years and then

1465
01:29:24.840 --> 01:29:29.880
I don't know what he'd do. Hopefully get married, sorry,

1466
01:29:29.880 --> 01:29:31.960
and wedding. Come on, who's not gonna want to sorry

1467
01:29:31.960 --> 01:29:32.439
in wedding.

1468
01:29:34.560 --> 01:29:40.159
We need to see that, which is going to Yeah,

1469
01:29:40.239 --> 01:29:41.720
we have to see that for sure.

1470
01:29:42.479 --> 01:29:46.279
Yeah, it's a great question. I haven't. I haven't really,

1471
01:29:46.479 --> 01:29:49.880
you know, like it's the end of the show is

1472
01:29:50.359 --> 01:29:54.319
a bit heartbreaking, and so it's it's who knows where

1473
01:29:54.319 --> 01:29:57.680
he goes. I'm open to possibility. I guess.

1474
01:29:59.039 --> 01:30:01.520
Yeah, we'll have to that's a good we'll have to

1475
01:30:01.560 --> 01:30:04.000
get that going at conventions and stuff.

1476
01:30:04.640 --> 01:30:07.279
Yeah, it's a great question, you.

1477
01:30:07.239 --> 01:30:12.359
Know, because everyone else got an ending, but but not Lioness.

1478
01:30:13.680 --> 01:30:18.159
That's weird. Yeah, but he probably stayed You're right, he

1479
01:30:18.199 --> 01:30:19.119
probably stayed on the.

1480
01:30:19.079 --> 01:30:23.279
Discovery for a time, for a time at least, because again,

1481
01:30:23.399 --> 01:30:27.560
like he's a very loyal person, and he doesn't he

1482
01:30:27.680 --> 01:30:30.119
left his family to jump into the future. So he's

1483
01:30:30.159 --> 01:30:33.920
really with that crew. That crew is very much his family.

1484
01:30:34.000 --> 01:30:36.720
There's there's no one around at that point that he

1485
01:30:36.800 --> 01:30:39.560
knew before. You know that he would have known in

1486
01:30:39.600 --> 01:30:42.399
the past. So it would make sense that he would

1487
01:30:42.520 --> 01:30:45.640
serve aboard the Discovery until that he was no longer

1488
01:30:45.680 --> 01:30:47.920
able to, and then he would he would forge a

1489
01:30:47.920 --> 01:30:52.119
new path somewhere else. I think that's wait, I know,

1490
01:30:52.199 --> 01:30:54.520
I know. The obvious answer is he goes and teaches

1491
01:30:54.560 --> 01:30:57.119
at Starfleet Academy. Obviously, what am I saying?

1492
01:30:57.279 --> 01:31:03.960
Of course, just about I was, I was just about

1493
01:31:04.000 --> 01:31:05.119
to bring that off.

1494
01:31:05.239 --> 01:31:07.800
Good lord. The answer is staring me right in the face.

1495
01:31:07.840 --> 01:31:11.800
What am I doing right there there? Good Lord? David,

1496
01:31:12.319 --> 01:31:20.359
come on, pull yourself together, macrol Okay, yeah, of course, yeah, yeah, amount.

1497
01:31:21.000 --> 01:31:23.159
So he teaches a certa date Academy and then he

1498
01:31:23.199 --> 01:31:26.079
gets his own spinoff show called Star trek Linus. I mean,

1499
01:31:26.119 --> 01:31:31.800
I think there, you go there in the end.

1500
01:31:34.640 --> 01:31:36.640
In season five, we saw a little bit of a

1501
01:31:36.720 --> 01:31:40.640
shake up with the bridge crew and we added Rainer

1502
01:31:41.479 --> 01:31:44.920
and as the first officer when Seru was doing his

1503
01:31:45.560 --> 01:31:50.079
you know, his Seru stuff. What was it like working

1504
01:31:50.279 --> 01:31:53.479
with him and changing the dynamic just a little bit?

1505
01:31:54.079 --> 01:31:55.279
Oh my gosh, was that all?

1506
01:31:55.840 --> 01:31:56.399
Was that fun?

1507
01:31:57.000 --> 01:32:02.319
I love Callum uh. I loved what he did as Rainer.

1508
01:32:02.840 --> 01:32:06.119
It was so much fun to play opposite of. He

1509
01:32:07.680 --> 01:32:11.600
added such a fun, cranky vibe. It was so interesting

1510
01:32:12.640 --> 01:32:14.720
I mean not as a not as an actor, but

1511
01:32:14.800 --> 01:32:17.720
as a character to watch, Like we have this plucky,

1512
01:32:18.359 --> 01:32:21.600
happy bridge crew, and then Ryan Rayner comes in and

1513
01:32:21.720 --> 01:32:25.119
cranks it up, and I thought it was absolutely perfect.

1514
01:32:25.560 --> 01:32:28.239
It's what the what the Bridge needed, It's what the

1515
01:32:28.319 --> 01:32:31.479
show needed. And I thought he did such a beautiful

1516
01:32:31.600 --> 01:32:36.960
job of it. And I loved his story, his hesitancy

1517
01:32:37.079 --> 01:32:39.239
to take the chair and then finally to take the chair,

1518
01:32:39.279 --> 01:32:43.119
And yeah, I thought. I thought he was great and

1519
01:32:43.159 --> 01:32:45.880
it was super fun playing opposite him. It's always fun

1520
01:32:45.920 --> 01:32:49.199
playing opposite when you're a character like linis playing opposite

1521
01:32:49.359 --> 01:32:52.039
someone who's super cranky. Total joy.

1522
01:32:53.680 --> 01:32:55.640
Yeah, He's one of those characters that we kind of

1523
01:32:55.800 --> 01:32:58.520
kind of didn't like at first, but we loved him

1524
01:32:58.520 --> 01:33:02.039
by the end. Yeah, he had a really good character arc.

1525
01:33:02.560 --> 01:33:06.239
Yeah, he's he was so great. I just I loved

1526
01:33:06.319 --> 01:33:10.000
that that that that that was a part of the

1527
01:33:10.039 --> 01:33:13.079
storytelling of the fifth season. I really enjoyed that.

1528
01:33:13.319 --> 01:33:19.920
Is how do you see Linus as a character on

1529
01:33:20.000 --> 01:33:28.880
the show? Like, is he is he a meaningful, you know,

1530
01:33:29.039 --> 01:33:34.399
comic relief type character. Is he a character that you know,

1531
01:33:34.760 --> 01:33:40.800
lens complexit, you understand what I'm saying. I'm wondering, like

1532
01:33:41.439 --> 01:33:44.319
at a deeper level, like what is what what do

1533
01:33:44.399 --> 01:33:50.079
you think Linus does for Discovery that maybe no other

1534
01:33:50.239 --> 01:33:53.720
character does. I mean, I have some ideas in my

1535
01:33:53.800 --> 01:33:58.039
own mind's eye, sure does, But like I'm curious to

1536
01:33:58.359 --> 01:34:02.680
know from you what you know, what you think he does?

1537
01:34:03.640 --> 01:34:03.800
Well?

1538
01:34:03.840 --> 01:34:08.239
I think he started out as comic relief, and from

1539
01:34:08.279 --> 01:34:11.520
what I understand, they didn't have a big plan for Linus.

1540
01:34:11.880 --> 01:34:13.960
I think he was supposed to be in a couple

1541
01:34:13.960 --> 01:34:17.680
of episodes and that was going to be that. So

1542
01:34:17.800 --> 01:34:20.960
he started out as comic relief, which is totally fine.

1543
01:34:21.199 --> 01:34:26.399
And then I think they saw an opportunity, and I

1544
01:34:26.399 --> 01:34:30.560
think there's a really beautiful reflection of humanity from Linus,

1545
01:34:31.159 --> 01:34:33.359
which is I think is really interesting coming from such

1546
01:34:33.359 --> 01:34:37.840
an alien character. You know, I was earlier in the

1547
01:34:37.880 --> 01:34:44.359
conversation we were talking about adapting to new tech and

1548
01:34:44.439 --> 01:34:47.439
that sort of episode in the third season where he's

1549
01:34:47.479 --> 01:34:50.760
bouncing around the ship because he hasn't quite mastered the teleporter.

1550
01:34:52.720 --> 01:34:56.439
I know that we all love our sci fi heroes

1551
01:34:56.560 --> 01:35:00.840
to be masters of technology and you see on top

1552
01:35:00.920 --> 01:35:04.960
of it, but the reality is that that's not always

1553
01:35:04.960 --> 01:35:10.319
the case. And I loved that episode and that little

1554
01:35:10.359 --> 01:35:15.359
story because it represented those of us who aren't easy

1555
01:35:15.439 --> 01:35:19.920
tech adapters. And there's there's nothing wrong with it, Like

1556
01:35:20.000 --> 01:35:23.039
if there's a new update on an app I use,

1557
01:35:23.199 --> 01:35:25.319
it always is. So I was like, oh my god,

1558
01:35:25.800 --> 01:35:27.920
you know, how do I figure this out? And it's

1559
01:35:27.960 --> 01:35:30.159
like some people will take to it no problem, and

1560
01:35:30.359 --> 01:35:35.840
some people it's challenging. And so he he was sort

1561
01:35:35.880 --> 01:35:38.840
of like the illustration of this journey, like, yeah, sometimes

1562
01:35:38.880 --> 01:35:40.319
you don't get it on the first try, and some

1563
01:35:40.479 --> 01:35:42.760
things sometimes it takes a little piece of work. And

1564
01:35:42.800 --> 01:35:44.960
in my mind, he got to where he wanted to go.

1565
01:35:45.119 --> 01:35:48.039
He did figure it out, but just because he kept trying.

1566
01:35:49.399 --> 01:35:52.000
And it's a very human thing. And so I think

1567
01:35:52.079 --> 01:35:55.960
Line has started to sort of reflect and represent human

1568
01:35:56.119 --> 01:35:58.520
a lot of human stuff and be a character that

1569
01:35:58.560 --> 01:36:01.479
people could relate to in a weird way because he did.

1570
01:36:01.680 --> 01:36:04.479
He was an anxious character, and he was a character

1571
01:36:04.560 --> 01:36:09.720
that was a little bit of an odd duck and

1572
01:36:09.800 --> 01:36:16.039
yet was still welcomed and accepted by everyone around him. Wow.

1573
01:36:16.199 --> 01:36:19.880
I am super glad that you said anxious character because

1574
01:36:20.399 --> 01:36:22.479
I feel like that is one of the things that

1575
01:36:22.680 --> 01:36:27.960
reads in your performance of Linus, and I just like,

1576
01:36:28.119 --> 01:36:32.960
don't I don't have a canon reason for his anxiety

1577
01:36:33.000 --> 01:36:36.199
other than that he's alien and you know, on the

1578
01:36:36.199 --> 01:36:39.279
bridge of like a bunch of humans or whatever. That

1579
01:36:39.640 --> 01:36:44.039
sort of like base level stuff. But like his anxiety reads,

1580
01:36:44.439 --> 01:36:46.680
So can he tell us more about that?

1581
01:36:47.760 --> 01:36:50.159
Well? Yeah, I just you know, I think it mirrored

1582
01:36:50.159 --> 01:36:55.000
my own journey. I mean, I struggle with anxiety, and

1583
01:36:55.600 --> 01:36:59.239
this character became a place like as I, as I

1584
01:36:59.239 --> 01:37:03.720
said earlier, our pasts were kind of parallel, and it

1585
01:37:03.800 --> 01:37:09.199
was a place that I could you know, showcase the anxiety,

1586
01:37:09.239 --> 01:37:13.000
but not as something that is manageable and just a

1587
01:37:13.039 --> 01:37:17.800
flavor of this of this character. You know, Linus also

1588
01:37:17.840 --> 01:37:21.600
taught me, you know, I can be a little bit

1589
01:37:21.640 --> 01:37:23.880
of a loner and a little bit of an odd

1590
01:37:23.960 --> 01:37:29.000
duct myself, and you know it's Linus also showed me

1591
01:37:29.039 --> 01:37:34.800
that you can wield that not as a a minus

1592
01:37:34.840 --> 01:37:37.239
but as a plus. You can still be a little

1593
01:37:37.279 --> 01:37:39.920
bit odd and still be accepted and welcomed and good

1594
01:37:39.960 --> 01:37:43.319
at your job. And as I spent more time in Linus,

1595
01:37:43.359 --> 01:37:50.319
this quality of anxiousness and fluster for whatever reason just

1596
01:37:50.399 --> 01:37:53.920
came with the character and it allowed me to be like, Okay,

1597
01:37:53.920 --> 01:37:55.600
well I'm going to run with this. Then I'm going

1598
01:37:55.680 --> 01:37:59.039
to really inhabit this and make it very human.

1599
01:38:00.199 --> 01:38:00.319
Uh.

1600
01:38:00.600 --> 01:38:04.640
And again, Linus isn't bad at his job because he's anxious.

1601
01:38:04.920 --> 01:38:08.119
He is anxious and manages it and is good at

1602
01:38:08.119 --> 01:38:11.720
his job. But he's no less of a hero because

1603
01:38:11.760 --> 01:38:15.159
he has an anxiety issue.

1604
01:38:15.399 --> 01:38:18.680
Yeah, And I mean, I not to get like too

1605
01:38:19.159 --> 01:38:22.079
philosophical about it, but I feel like Linus is one

1606
01:38:22.119 --> 01:38:27.039
of those characters that embodies the alternate that is displayed

1607
01:38:27.039 --> 01:38:30.479
by Discovery, you know, Like I feel like Discovery is

1608
01:38:30.520 --> 01:38:36.319
trying to like appeal to many many audiences that maybe

1609
01:38:36.399 --> 01:38:39.479
haven't been serviced by Star Trek in the past, and

1610
01:38:39.560 --> 01:38:43.359
Linus is one of those stepping stones along the way

1611
01:38:43.439 --> 01:38:47.680
because you know, you feel his anxiety and yet he functions,

1612
01:38:48.000 --> 01:38:51.359
he does his thing, he provides you know, comedic relief.

1613
01:38:52.720 --> 01:38:56.960
Yeah, and when we laugh, yet when we laugh at Linus,

1614
01:38:57.039 --> 01:38:59.119
where we're not laughing at him, we're laughing with him.

1615
01:38:59.159 --> 01:39:01.399
It's never means did He's never the bite of the

1616
01:39:01.479 --> 01:39:06.720
show where it's something we all recognize as very human.

1617
01:39:06.880 --> 01:39:11.600
And yeah, like it's it was a like Linus allowed

1618
01:39:11.600 --> 01:39:14.800
me to showcase a weird, deep part of myself and

1619
01:39:15.000 --> 01:39:18.039
that was a powerful experience for me as an actor.

1620
01:39:19.199 --> 01:39:21.600
I love that. I love that because I feel like

1621
01:39:22.119 --> 01:39:27.159
you feel that in that actor's performance, Like you know,

1622
01:39:27.279 --> 01:39:30.520
Linus is. Linus is a character that you know, like

1623
01:39:30.600 --> 01:39:34.000
you've said, you know, has limited screen time, but when

1624
01:39:34.079 --> 01:39:39.119
he plays and when he's used, I feel that from you.

1625
01:39:39.279 --> 01:39:40.640
So nicely done.

1626
01:39:41.600 --> 01:39:43.399
I appreciate that. Thank you so much.

1627
01:39:43.600 --> 01:39:49.880
Yeah, yeah, David, did you have any any input into

1628
01:39:49.920 --> 01:39:52.560
the designing of Liners? Did you just show up and

1629
01:39:52.640 --> 01:39:54.920
they flapped it on you and that was it?

1630
01:39:55.520 --> 01:39:58.439
Oh? Yeah, No, I they offered me the role I

1631
01:39:58.479 --> 01:40:02.000
showed up for a camera test. I walked in the

1632
01:40:02.000 --> 01:40:07.920
prosthetics trailer and i'd looked up. I didn't know right, Like,

1633
01:40:07.960 --> 01:40:09.880
I didn't know what a sarian was. That they sent

1634
01:40:09.960 --> 01:40:11.920
an emails i'd'd like to offer David the role of

1635
01:40:12.000 --> 01:40:15.239
Linus the Sarian. So I immediately went to the Internet

1636
01:40:15.319 --> 01:40:17.279
and was like, what's a Sarian? And then I found

1637
01:40:17.319 --> 01:40:21.600
the picture of the actor from the original motion picture

1638
01:40:22.720 --> 01:40:26.039
this crazy design. He was in a crowd and I

1639
01:40:26.119 --> 01:40:28.680
was like, oh my god, I can't wait to see

1640
01:40:28.680 --> 01:40:31.920
how they update this. And so I was excited for

1641
01:40:32.000 --> 01:40:34.000
the camera test and I went in for the camera

1642
01:40:34.079 --> 01:40:38.359
test and I walked in the prosthetics trailer and he

1643
01:40:38.479 --> 01:40:42.840
was sitting on the counter and I just gasped because

1644
01:40:42.880 --> 01:40:47.960
he was so handsome and so beautiful, Like he's he's

1645
01:40:48.000 --> 01:40:52.359
a really striking work of art. I mean, he looks

1646
01:40:52.399 --> 01:40:56.840
one way on camera, and there's certain things the way

1647
01:40:56.880 --> 01:40:59.079
he looks a little bit different off camera, and he's

1648
01:40:59.239 --> 01:41:02.159
I mean, he's he's handsome across the board. But I

1649
01:41:02.319 --> 01:41:07.039
just remember looking at him and thinking wow wow. So

1650
01:41:07.079 --> 01:41:09.560
it was all that work was done by the time

1651
01:41:09.640 --> 01:41:13.800
that I was in play, but there was a very

1652
01:41:13.800 --> 01:41:17.039
delicious intersection that opened up between me and that mask.

1653
01:41:17.960 --> 01:41:18.479
Awesome.

1654
01:41:18.600 --> 01:41:22.560
Do you think the elimination of the yellow eyes was

1655
01:41:22.680 --> 01:41:26.119
key to that because the original had.

1656
01:41:25.960 --> 01:41:27.760
The yellow eyes.

1657
01:41:28.239 --> 01:41:33.079
Yeah. Yeah, Like, I feel like that's hard to identify with, right,

1658
01:41:33.159 --> 01:41:36.319
so maybe the black eyes with like shide blinky stuff

1659
01:41:36.479 --> 01:41:38.840
is easier to handle. I don't know.

1660
01:41:39.319 --> 01:41:42.920
It's it's an interesting like. I like how sleek Linus is,

1661
01:41:43.399 --> 01:41:46.840
uh the sorry and in the motion picture is a

1662
01:41:46.920 --> 01:41:50.119
little bit longer in the face. I like that he's

1663
01:41:50.119 --> 01:41:52.960
got a sleeper face. I know that some there were

1664
01:41:53.000 --> 01:41:58.159
some directors who found talking to me in the prosthetic

1665
01:41:58.479 --> 01:42:01.960
hard because and you're looking at him, you are just

1666
01:42:02.000 --> 01:42:06.560
looking at these dark purple eyes yea, And so it's

1667
01:42:06.840 --> 01:42:08.600
they're like, oh, you're very hard to talk to you

1668
01:42:08.760 --> 01:42:15.680
like this, and uh so yeah, I know he can't

1669
01:42:15.680 --> 01:42:19.159
be a little off putting that way, uh in person,

1670
01:42:19.439 --> 01:42:23.319
because he always looks like he's staring and uh, you're

1671
01:42:23.520 --> 01:42:27.000
you're talking to these dark, dark eyes. But I think

1672
01:42:27.039 --> 01:42:30.600
better than the yellow I I love this design. I

1673
01:42:30.680 --> 01:42:34.720
love that they kept the reptilian in the way that

1674
01:42:34.760 --> 01:42:36.439
they did. I think there's probably a little bit of

1675
01:42:36.600 --> 01:42:41.399
dinosaur in there. Some lizard. You know, I think it's

1676
01:42:41.439 --> 01:42:45.239
a really beautiful updating of that idea of what that

1677
01:42:45.279 --> 01:42:45.880
makeup was.

1678
01:42:47.600 --> 01:42:50.760
Well, because the one in the motion picture was a hatchling,

1679
01:42:51.359 --> 01:42:53.479
he was very young, he hadn't matured.

1680
01:42:53.199 --> 01:42:58.359
Yet, yellow eyed hash.

1681
01:43:00.199 --> 01:43:03.399
Yeah, here we go out of the chameleon style.

1682
01:43:04.039 --> 01:43:11.640
Yeah, so sorry, hatchling's eyes change colors until their teenage

1683
01:43:11.720 --> 01:43:19.640
years and so multi colored eyes. But Linus went dark purple.

1684
01:43:21.359 --> 01:43:24.760
Well, what would would Linus have a beard in the

1685
01:43:24.800 --> 01:43:25.560
Mirror universe?

1686
01:43:27.079 --> 01:43:28.960
I don't think Linus could be in the Mirror universe

1687
01:43:28.960 --> 01:43:32.359
because he's not human, and I think isn't the universe

1688
01:43:32.399 --> 01:43:32.960
only human?

1689
01:43:34.039 --> 01:43:34.279
Yeah?

1690
01:43:34.720 --> 01:43:36.399
All aliens would be dead.

1691
01:43:37.560 --> 01:43:43.159
Yeah, you're right, so the answer is no. But also

1692
01:43:43.720 --> 01:43:45.000
for alas.

1693
01:43:46.920 --> 01:43:50.319
We have we had Mirror, we had other species in

1694
01:43:50.359 --> 01:43:57.479
there there because they're not art No, we had.

1695
01:43:59.399 --> 01:44:00.640
Yeah, but the scenes were.

1696
01:44:02.880 --> 01:44:09.319
But like Taren, Empire treats you know, aliens poorly.

1697
01:44:09.680 --> 01:44:14.479
So yeah, so maybe a beard that ultimately it doesn't

1698
01:44:14.520 --> 01:44:16.319
matter because he'd be lunch right.

1699
01:44:17.800 --> 01:44:18.039
Lunch.

1700
01:44:19.319 --> 01:44:24.800
Yeah. So David, now that now that Discovery is over,

1701
01:44:24.960 --> 01:44:27.800
we've had five seasons and you've had time to reflect.

1702
01:44:28.560 --> 01:44:32.960
What are some of your your favorite memories or our

1703
01:44:33.119 --> 01:44:36.039
favorite episodes, favorite scenes. What are some of the some

1704
01:44:36.119 --> 01:44:39.640
of the things that you remember the most fondly about

1705
01:44:39.680 --> 01:44:43.039
the five years of discovery that you want to share

1706
01:44:43.079 --> 01:44:43.640
with us.

1707
01:44:44.960 --> 01:44:53.239
Oh wow, you know, it's there's the part of my

1708
01:44:53.399 --> 01:44:57.960
experience that will live on in terms of the the

1709
01:44:58.760 --> 01:45:03.319
show itself being to look at those episodes and and

1710
01:45:03.399 --> 01:45:09.159
those scenes and be reminded of it. And then there's

1711
01:45:09.199 --> 01:45:13.960
the part that existed between those takes, spending time with

1712
01:45:14.039 --> 01:45:16.439
those people and laughing with those people, and you know,

1713
01:45:16.479 --> 01:45:22.680
getting together with those people for like game nights and things,

1714
01:45:24.479 --> 01:45:28.760
and both sides of that coin are as meaningful to me.

1715
01:45:29.039 --> 01:45:33.319
I think, I think, I on reflection, really treasure, like

1716
01:45:34.079 --> 01:45:40.399
watching Mary Wiseman between takes be utterly hilarious and utterly

1717
01:45:40.479 --> 01:45:46.159
brilliant and just chaotic and doing like a you know,

1718
01:45:46.239 --> 01:45:49.800
a tight two sing a song, a little razzle dazzle,

1719
01:45:50.199 --> 01:45:55.520
and then like camera's role and she's she's back on point,

1720
01:45:55.600 --> 01:45:59.520
you know, watching Siniqua lead with such grace, having really

1721
01:45:59.560 --> 01:46:03.960
thoughtful conversations with with Anthony and and and Wilson, and

1722
01:46:04.600 --> 01:46:09.600
pealing around with Doug and laughing with Patrick and and Horville,

1723
01:46:09.640 --> 01:46:15.279
like those are the those are the moments that live

1724
01:46:15.319 --> 01:46:17.560
in my heart that you know I'm going to treasure

1725
01:46:17.600 --> 01:46:21.520
always that are They're as meaningful as the on camera stuff.

1726
01:46:23.159 --> 01:46:27.920
It's a it's a really rich experience personally and professionally.

1727
01:46:31.199 --> 01:46:36.159
That's an awesome answer. Thank you so much. And before

1728
01:46:36.199 --> 01:46:39.359
we before we end the show, I think Paul asked earlier,

1729
01:46:40.399 --> 01:46:43.680
is there anything you're working on, any any plays, any

1730
01:46:44.000 --> 01:46:46.319
anything that you want to let people know to keep

1731
01:46:46.319 --> 01:46:48.600
an eye out for that you can talk about that

1732
01:46:48.680 --> 01:46:49.680
you don't have an.

1733
01:46:49.600 --> 01:46:58.800
Nda keep an eye out for more soon. I'm in

1734
01:46:58.880 --> 01:47:04.600
a big writing uh phase. So I'm writing and like

1735
01:47:04.600 --> 01:47:09.520
I said, working with some producer e types and I

1736
01:47:09.640 --> 01:47:14.159
will probably I have a new solo show that I

1737
01:47:14.239 --> 01:47:18.399
debuted last year that I would like to do coming

1738
01:47:18.479 --> 01:47:22.399
up called Magnificent, And so that will be coming up

1739
01:47:22.920 --> 01:47:27.039
hopefully sometime in this fall or early next year. But

1740
01:47:27.079 --> 01:47:31.159
then in terms of bigger projects all being worked on,

1741
01:47:33.319 --> 01:47:34.880
I know, it's a very I wish I had more

1742
01:47:34.920 --> 01:47:40.079
to say, like more razzle dazzle a little.

1743
01:47:41.159 --> 01:47:41.640
It's good.

1744
01:47:42.640 --> 01:47:45.560
And do you have any convention appearances where fans can

1745
01:47:45.560 --> 01:47:47.560
go to meet you in person? A'llligned up.

1746
01:47:48.159 --> 01:47:50.960
Nothing on the books right now in theory, the next

1747
01:47:51.199 --> 01:47:55.439
convention will be at unless something pops up, will be

1748
01:47:56.399 --> 01:48:01.760
Vegas next year. But like you know, like we just

1749
01:48:01.800 --> 01:48:04.279
got into the fall, so who knows what will pop up.

1750
01:48:05.680 --> 01:48:09.439
Excellent, excellent, Well, David, thank you so much for taking

1751
01:48:09.479 --> 01:48:12.079
the time to talk to a bunch of Trek fans.

1752
01:48:12.119 --> 01:48:15.000
We we really appreciate it. We had a great time,

1753
01:48:15.600 --> 01:48:18.920
and thank you so so much for talking with us.

1754
01:48:19.399 --> 01:48:21.880
Thank you so much for having me. A total pleasure

1755
01:48:22.560 --> 01:48:24.680
to speak with you all, and I hope that you

1756
01:48:24.760 --> 01:48:26.000
have a great evening.

1757
01:48:27.159 --> 01:48:29.600
Thank you very much, thanks for coming on.

1758
01:48:30.520 --> 01:48:33.399
Okay, thank you, have a good night, bye bye bye.

1759
01:48:34.359 --> 01:48:38.119
All right, guys, that was mister David Benjamin Thomas and

1760
01:48:38.159 --> 01:48:43.479
he played Linus obviously on Star Trek Discovery. And uh,

1761
01:48:43.600 --> 01:48:45.520
we're just about out of time. We got a few

1762
01:48:45.560 --> 01:48:47.840
minutes left, but I don't think we have enough time

1763
01:48:47.880 --> 01:48:56.600
to really get into too much here, Sore. What a

1764
01:48:56.640 --> 01:48:57.279
great guest.

1765
01:48:57.399 --> 01:49:05.920
Huh mm, so good. I mean, I love I love

1766
01:49:06.039 --> 01:49:13.439
the authenticity of a you know, relatively minor character coming

1767
01:49:13.520 --> 01:49:19.640
through and showing us why Star Trek Discovery spoke to

1768
01:49:19.720 --> 01:49:25.079
many of us, you know, through the characters. I just

1769
01:49:25.159 --> 01:49:25.560
love that.

1770
01:49:28.479 --> 01:49:33.720
Charlie, you know he was. He was a Klingon. I

1771
01:49:33.720 --> 01:49:37.319
thought that I really liked the Klingon stories too, putting

1772
01:49:37.359 --> 01:49:44.760
on the makeup, wearing his teeth, you know. Yep, he

1773
01:49:44.880 --> 01:49:49.159
was a Klingon. Yep. So I I really I really enjoyed.

1774
01:49:49.199 --> 01:49:53.720
He was a great guest and and I love Discovery.

1775
01:49:53.800 --> 01:49:56.479
It's one of my favorite Star Trek shows. I think

1776
01:49:56.520 --> 01:49:59.439
it will be for a while. It's gonna be hard

1777
01:49:59.439 --> 01:50:03.199
to top it. And uh, you know, he was so genuine,

1778
01:50:03.279 --> 01:50:06.720
so sincere had some great stories and I'm glad that

1779
01:50:07.199 --> 01:50:08.560
we were able to get him on the show.

1780
01:50:09.960 --> 01:50:10.159
Yep.

1781
01:50:10.680 --> 01:50:11.199
That's great.

1782
01:50:12.199 --> 01:50:15.560
Yeah, And I know I know Paul had to leave alrighty,

1783
01:50:15.600 --> 01:50:17.159
And that's all right. So I just wanted to say

1784
01:50:17.199 --> 01:50:20.279
thank you to Paul for hanging out in Trek talking

1785
01:50:20.319 --> 01:50:22.840
with us tonight. Paul, it was great and we look

1786
01:50:22.920 --> 01:50:25.920
forward to next week. So thank you, Paul. And I

1787
01:50:25.920 --> 01:50:28.039
want to say thank you to David, even though he

1788
01:50:28.079 --> 01:50:30.399
didn't bring enough chicken noodle soup for all of us.

1789
01:50:30.640 --> 01:50:32.720
That's okay, Hey, thank you David.

1790
01:50:33.640 --> 01:50:37.800
You're welcome, and ty I couldn't share it with everybody,

1791
01:50:38.159 --> 01:50:40.319
Oh that's okay.

1792
01:50:40.880 --> 01:50:42.960
And thank you so much to Charles for hanging out

1793
01:50:43.000 --> 01:50:44.600
and truck talking with us as well.

1794
01:50:44.640 --> 01:50:49.399
Thank you Charles, Oh, thank you David Stories. I got

1795
01:50:49.439 --> 01:50:56.279
a little bit nowhere near. We got the podcast story

1796
01:50:56.439 --> 01:50:57.000
to tell.

1797
01:50:57.199 --> 01:51:01.000
Yeah, and I I before I forget though, because I

1798
01:51:01.039 --> 01:51:03.119
always seem to forget this every week. So I'm going

1799
01:51:03.159 --> 01:51:06.359
to do this right now so I don't forget. I

1800
01:51:06.399 --> 01:51:10.359
want to say thank you so much to Ryan and Nathan.

1801
01:51:10.640 --> 01:51:14.199
And we haven't heard from Nathan in a long time,

1802
01:51:15.520 --> 01:51:18.640
but he was. He was popping up in the chat

1803
01:51:18.680 --> 01:51:21.840
room and had a couple of questions that he wanted

1804
01:51:21.880 --> 01:51:25.039
to ask, and so it was it was great to

1805
01:51:25.119 --> 01:51:28.920
hear from Nathan as well, and is always so thank

1806
01:51:28.960 --> 01:51:29.279
you guys.

1807
01:51:35.399 --> 01:51:38.399
Had a new shift, but now he's changing shifts, so

1808
01:51:38.399 --> 01:51:40.119
we I think he's home for a little but now

1809
01:51:40.119 --> 01:51:41.399
to hear some of the show.

1810
01:51:42.159 --> 01:51:45.840
And that's that's great. So that's cool. And of course,

1811
01:51:45.880 --> 01:51:49.359
thank you so much to Eric. And Eric was all

1812
01:51:49.399 --> 01:51:52.079
ready to step in and be Uncle Eric for the show,

1813
01:51:53.640 --> 01:51:56.119
you know, because I was.

1814
01:51:56.239 --> 01:52:01.359
I was, I mean, you have very big shoes to fill,

1815
01:52:01.880 --> 01:52:02.640
let's be honest.

1816
01:52:04.199 --> 01:52:08.039
Well, I you know, with everything that was going on

1817
01:52:08.119 --> 01:52:11.439
with my father, it was very important that we got

1818
01:52:11.479 --> 01:52:15.079
this show off because we had this ample David's appearance

1819
01:52:15.159 --> 01:52:18.159
already once and I was really worried about having to

1820
01:52:18.199 --> 01:52:20.600
do it again. So I asked Eric if he would

1821
01:52:20.640 --> 01:52:23.640
step in and be be uncle Eric, and I gave

1822
01:52:23.720 --> 01:52:25.760
him all the information and he was all ready to

1823
01:52:25.800 --> 01:52:28.239
do that. So thank you so much, Eric, And I'm

1824
01:52:28.279 --> 01:52:35.039
sure everything would have been great, you know, very easy

1825
01:52:35.079 --> 01:52:35.560
to talk to.

1826
01:52:36.960 --> 01:52:41.159
Some of the questions you throughout Jim were just great questions.

1827
01:52:41.479 --> 01:52:44.680
I think everybody had good questions that really got him,

1828
01:52:44.840 --> 01:52:46.800
got our got our guest talking.

1829
01:52:48.199 --> 01:52:52.960
Yeah, it was it was great character he is, and

1830
01:52:53.199 --> 01:52:55.880
I think you guys would have been just fine without me,

1831
01:52:56.319 --> 01:52:58.840
but I didn't want to miss the show. I was

1832
01:52:58.880 --> 01:53:01.640
looking forward to talking about being a kling On. So

1833
01:53:01.680 --> 01:53:03.520
thank you so much to you guys, and thank you

1834
01:53:03.560 --> 01:53:05.159
so much to each and every one of you guys

1835
01:53:05.159 --> 01:53:08.279
that's listening right now. I really appreciate it. We could

1836
01:53:08.439 --> 01:53:12.520
never do the show without you guys, and that's for sure.

1837
01:53:13.000 --> 01:53:15.000
And we didn't get to say this. We didn't get

1838
01:53:15.000 --> 01:53:17.560
to do our fans shout outs this week, so that's okay.

1839
01:53:17.920 --> 01:53:20.640
But you can head over to our Facebook page Trek

1840
01:53:20.680 --> 01:53:24.359
Talking Podcast, and over there you'll be able to find

1841
01:53:24.560 --> 01:53:27.199
this show, so you can listen to this show right there,

1842
01:53:27.600 --> 01:53:29.880
and you'll see the Livelong and prosper, and just tell

1843
01:53:29.920 --> 01:53:32.960
us where you're listening from, leave some emojis and stuff

1844
01:53:32.960 --> 01:53:34.319
and look for a heart next to your name from

1845
01:53:34.399 --> 01:53:36.800
Uncle Jim, and then you'll be featured in a fan

1846
01:53:36.880 --> 01:53:40.439
shout out next week. So that's pretty cool, huh. And

1847
01:53:40.479 --> 01:53:42.520
you can also find all of our shows at Trek

1848
01:53:42.560 --> 01:53:48.079
Talking dot com. So that's my shield, all right. So

1849
01:53:48.119 --> 01:53:49.840
I just wanted to say to everybody, thank you so

1850
01:53:49.920 --> 01:53:53.800
much for listening, and be good, stay safe, and remember

1851
01:53:54.319 --> 01:53:58.479
Star Trek fans are the best fans. You better believe it.

1852
01:53:58.960 --> 01:54:04.239
Hailing frequency are closed. Good night everybody, Good night, Love,

1853
01:54:04.319 --> 01:54:05.119
long and prosper.

1854
01:54:06.239 --> 01:54:11.359
Good I yell, let's see what's out there.

1855
01:54:13.720 --> 01:54:17.479
Engage.

1856
01:54:28.600 --> 01:54:32.039
Hello, you have reached the que continuum. We are unable

1857
01:54:32.079 --> 01:54:33.760
to get to the phone right now because we are

1858
01:54:33.760 --> 01:54:37.239
busy living in a plane of existence. Your feeble mortal

1859
01:54:37.399 --> 01:54:42.239
minds cannot possibly comprehend. Furthermore, it's pointless to leave a

1860
01:54:42.279 --> 01:54:45.319
message because we, of course already knew that you would call,

1861
01:54:45.720 --> 01:54:46.159
and we.

1862
01:54:46.159 --> 01:54:47.560
Simply do not care.

1863
01:54:48.319 --> 01:56:11.479
Have a nice day.

1864
01:55:25.520 --> 01:56:11.279
The b