Oct. 11, 2024

Star Trek: Prodigy "Brink", "Touch of Grey", and "OUROBOROS part 1-2" review

Star Trek: Prodigy "Brink", "Touch of Grey", and "OUROBOROS part 1-2" review

Is this really the end for Star Trek: Prodigy?

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Season 4Star Trek ProdigyStar Trek

Uncle Jim and his Treksperts wrap up our season two review Star Trek: Prodigy with episodes: S2.E17 ∙ Brink As war looms between the Federation and Solum, Gwyn proposes to lead the cadets on an undercover mission to gather intelligence and rescue Ilthuran.S2.E18 ∙ Touch of GreyAdmiral Janeway devises a clever plan to liberate her crew from Asencia's prison, where they're trapped with an angry captive from the Loom.S2.E19 ∙ Ouroboros: Part 1 A desperate Asencia launches an all-out attack on the Federation that will destroy subspace, while Wesley and the cadets try to correct the timeline.S2.E20 ∙ Ouroboros: Part 2 The cadets fight Asencia in a battle for control of Solum and the future - but a sudden invasion by a destructive species complicates their end-game.Find out what Star Trek actor you share a birthday with on STAR TREK BIRTHDAYS, what's going on in the world of Star Trek, STAR TREK NEWS brings us stories of interest, and just how global is Star Trek, FAN SHOU-OUTS will answer that question. Studio line will be open (646)668-2433 ready to take your call, Let's see what's Out There...ENGAGE!

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series you.

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Well, Good evening, Trekkies and trekkers around the globe. It

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is Thursday, October tenth, seven thirty pm Easter time, four

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thirty pm Pacific time. That means trek Talking is live.

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That means you can let your fingers do the walking

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and call track talk. And that's right. Our phone lines

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are open. Six four six six six eight two four

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three three is the number. Put us in speed dial

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and give us a call. If you're a Prodigy fan,

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you definitely want to call because this is our Prodigy

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super show. We're gonna wrap up season two tonight, and

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if you want to share your opinions, your thoughts, give

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us a call. Six four six six six eight two

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four three three. This is episode six hundred and eight

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of Trek Talk and believe it or not. Before we

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get too far though, I want to let you guys

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know what our upcoming schedule is. Next week on the seventeenth,

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we're gonna have the one, the All Me, Aaron Walke

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here live to take your questions, the man behind Star

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Trek Prodigy, So have your questions ready and give us

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a call. And then on October twenty fourth, we're going

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to have John Simpson, who played the young Sarah in

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unarguably the best Star Trek movie ever made, Star Trek five,

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the Final Frontier. So have your questions ready for John

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Simpson and give us a call. And then we wrap

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up October with a Halloween bash. We're going to be

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talking about the first two episodes of Star Trek Lower Decks,

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So that wraps up our October festivities. I'm the most

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excellent host, Uncle Jim. And before we get started, I

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want to say hello to Eric. Eric is out in Portland.

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How you doing tonight, Eric, Jim?

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I am doing quite well tonight. I have had a

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heck of a week, but you know, Friday's Eve is

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always one of my favorite parts of the week. Although

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I do question your definition of unarguably, I would. I

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would argue your arguments about Star Trek five and therefore

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it is not inarguable. Arguably Yeah, yeah, mostly arguably Star Treks.

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Most arguably Star Trek five is the best Star Trek movie.

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I would agree with that. I would. I would agree

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with that. I love it. I would love it. And

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we also have out in Portland. We have a very

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own Paul the Toy Guy. How you doing tonight?

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Paul, Yes, yes, how are you?

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How are you?

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Everyone's as Eric said, it's been a crazy week, a

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lot of nonsense, a lot of craziness, both here and

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in the world. So what are you gonna do? You're

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just gonna hang on and make sure you have snacks. So, yeah,

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you're ready to wrap up some prodigy for us.

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I am, I am.

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I have a question for Eric at some point about

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these episodes, but I'm not going to say that now.

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Wait until we're in the thick.

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Of it, all right. Is it an unarguably good question

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or an arguably good question?

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debatably a true question, I think, which we love here, right, yeah,

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because it's something that Eric referenced and I'm like, I

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did not see that, and so I'm like, where where

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did that fall? That's my pretty easy to catch hint

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for you. Eric, love it all right, we'll discuss once

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Well, you guys are just going to have to stick

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around and find out what Paul is talking about. And

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also from Portland, we have our very own David the

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cheese guy. How you doing tonight, David?

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So what David's telling.

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Us I'm featuring David is like resembling a liable mouse, right,

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That's what you had, some questionable cheese.

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And like you know that is like you you ate something.

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Let me just make sure I heard you correctly, right.

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You said you ate a bunch of cheese to keep

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it from going moldy?

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beer to keep it from going flat. I appreciate the enthusiasm,

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but man, given that line of reasoning, everything is got

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to be consumed right away, all alcohol, all food, not here,

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but in the store. I mean we were should be

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in a car. It was fun, all right.

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Well, well, let's let's swing out to Las Vegas and

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see what Charles is doing. Is Charles is eating any cheese?

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You got any cheese on your.

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No cheese.

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Had a little bit this morning with a cereal. A

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little bit of milk with my cereal made me a

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little gassy this morning.

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Wow, once again we're reminded why we have a mute

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button on all of our poats.

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Well, Charles drinks that milk before it gets sour. You go, oh,

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all right, all right, guys. So we have twenty one

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thousand and seventy three followers on our Facebook page, which

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is awesome. You guys can find us on Facebook at

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Trek Talking Podcast and definitely want to do that. There's

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all kinds of great memes, all kinds of fun stuff there.

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But one of the things that's there is our fan

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shout out section, And all you got to do is

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tell us where you're listening from. You see a heart

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next to your name from yours truly, Uncle Jim, then

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you're going to be featured on a future fans shout out. So, Eric,

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what do you say, get ready with some fan shout outs.

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Heck yeah, let's do it man. Our very first fan

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shout out this week goes out to Chavasti Bebagua, who

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is a top contrbutor from London, UK that's just across

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the pond, and top contributor status of course, means that

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Chavasi interacts with us a ton on our new Facebook

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page and we thank them for that. We thank them

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for their support in the UK. We have a lot

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of friends in the UK and we really appreciate that.

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So thank you so much for saying hello to us.

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Also saying hello this week to Billy who's saying hello

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to us from Gaya Kill in A, Ecuador and sending

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us that live long and prosper hand sign. We really

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appreciate that. Anisha Hussein saying hello to us this week

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from Trinidad and Tobago, sending us a double flag for

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that wonderful country, maybe for the two parts, I don't know. Anisha,

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thank you so much for supporting us out there in

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the middle of the ocean like that, among many many

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other reasons, really just warms my heart to know that

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somebody out there in the middle of a place that

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you know, arguably pretty remote is listening to our podcast.

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Thank you so much.

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And finally, this week I would like to say hello

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and thank very much Marie Ellis, Aluisa Gloria Kung, who

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is a top contributor. They are living in Switzerland but

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originally from guess where, Las Vegas. So mar LIUs Eloisa,

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Gloria Kung. Perhaps you and Charles have crossed paths in

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the past. Nobody knows, Hi, Charles don't know.

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But let's do a warm welcome to Edward Eedelyn from Ritzville, Washington.

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Welcome Edward, Welcome to Christopher Law from Mississippi. Welcome to

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Eric Anderson from Houston, Texas. And then a warm welcome

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to Robert Simpson Reed from Florida. Robert, hope you survived

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the last two hurricanes and your safe. So David, who's

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on your list?

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Yeah, let's see. Uh Welcome to uh in A Lippert

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from top Oh, she's a top contributor. Enna, thank you,

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and you're from Texas, okay. Next on my list is

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Markta from New Mexico. Next on my list is ed

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Ferbie from Tennessee. And the last on my list is

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Linda barn putting up that lived long and prosper sign

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and she is from Minnesota, where I am from Paul.

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What's on the other side, the girl from Minnesota.

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I did not know that fun fact? Yeah what what

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the what town in Minnesota?

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I was born in St.

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Paul?

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Actually, oh excellent, very cool, awesome part of the world.

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Is that the chief head? Well it's more no no, no, no, man.

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What if I were born there and they never told me?

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But you know the thing about Minnesota is famous for

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the hot dip, right am I? Right?

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Oh yeah, what's your hot dish?

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You gotta have a hot I don't know it full

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of hot dish. Okay, let's go on. We have got

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all kinds of folks all over the freaking planet who

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we're weighing in with us this week, A lot of fans.

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First of all, I'm going to say hello to Christiania

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Tiana from Brittany, France. Phenomenal spot on the western coast

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there just south of the UK. Absolutely amazing, spectacular place.

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With one one squints across the English Channel and can

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see it. And we've got all kinds of flashy stars

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and live long and prosper hand signs from Christiana there,

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so it's great to hear from you. Thanks so much

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for checking out our podcast and being a fan of

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all things trek. Place that's had many names in the

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course of its time. It has been uh referred to

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as the Boss for us. It's been home to the

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chariot races. It's been absolutely astonishing place with many relics,

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many tremendous mosques. Of course we're talking about Istanbul, which

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is just an amazing part and amazing historical center of Europe,

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and we're saying hello to our friend Hassan bai Han

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in Istanbul. There absolutely amazing. I think that some of

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our isn't there, at least one rather hearsuit member of

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the podcast team that's been to Istanbul. I'm trying to remember,

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is that you Eric.

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It is I have been to Istanbul and it was

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literally my favorite city I have ever been to. I've

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never met friendlier people, I've never seen cooler places than

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some of the bazaars there. I've never been inside cooler

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buildings than some of the mosques there. It is a mad, gold,

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magical city that if you have not been there, I

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cannot recommend it enough. Constantinople back in the day, right

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you know that, It's why did Constantinople get the works.

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It's nobody's business but the Turks.

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Fantastic and moving on, flag proudly flying. We have our

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friend Tanya Ivanova from Sofia. Sofia, of course, is the

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capital of Bulgaria. Absolutely amazing place surrounded by mountain sides,

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absolutely amazing, incredible place in Southeast Europe. There famous for

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its national Opera among many other cultural landmarks. There, so

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tremendous place. Great to hear from you, Tanya, Thanks for

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being a fan. And then back over the UK, We're

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going to go over there in saraf and grayon Kearny

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in Belfast, Northern Ireland. Falcon Hans salutes proudly displayed from

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Ireland to France is simple to Welgaria. We have all

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kinds of star Trek fans everywhere, proving once again that

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we have so much that unites us across this world.

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It's amazing to celebrate our many similarities and let them

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be stronger than our differences, right uncle Jim.

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Absolutely, And I'm going to continue on by saying hello

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and thank you for being a fan of Hank Kazinski,

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who's listening to us in Boston, Massachusets. Thank you, Hank.

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We also want to say hello and thank you to

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top contributor Jane c dia Gardie, who's in sez that

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she was born in New York City but now is

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in central Connecticut. Thank you, Jane. We also want to

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say hello and thank you to Brian Ferry who's in Florida.

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I hope you weathered the storms and came out just fine.

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And last, but not least, we want to say thank

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you to Emily gr who's a top contributor from Atlanta.

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Maybe next year. Maybe next year, Emily. And that, my friends,

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wraps up all of our Star Trek Fans shout outs.

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It's once again time to put on your thinking caps

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and join us for Star Trek Trivia time with Uncle Jim.

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All right, guys, so I like to put poles up

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on our Facebook page. And we haven't had a poll

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because last week we had a guest. So here's my

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first poll question in Strange New World's episode Under the

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Cloak of War? Did Doctor m Benga murder Ambassador Doc Ra?

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So what do you think, Yes, he murdered him or

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no it was self defense? Well, sixty four son of

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our fans said yes, he murdered him, and thirty six

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percent said no, it was self defense. What do you

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guys think?

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Ooh, I like this one.

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I think that it's like, personally, I believe that we

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were led to believe that he did kill him. I

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mean it was a little bit mysterious because it was

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sort of like, you know, he sees the knife, blah

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blah blah, they cut away, they come back, and all

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of a sudden, the knife is in the chest of

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the Klingon and all we have is in Benga's word

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that the Klingon attacked him and he had to sort

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of defend himself. So I don't know, man, I think

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in Benga did what he felt like he needed to do,

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which I think is kind of one of those like

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interesting aspects of Strange New Worlds versus other star trek

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It seems like in Strange New Worlds, you know, I

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don't know, maybe maybe starfleet members are a little bit

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more likely to make immoral decisions every now and then

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because they're just human, you know, I don't.

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Know, we need to put on a Surlock Holmes hat. Yeahs.

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And the next thing it could have not have been

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him clearly.

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Well, I think that's what makes that episode so good

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is because they of the way they leave the ending.

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Yeah, you know, I mean, the best Star Trek is

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ambiguous Star Trek always so.

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And I'm I'm in the camp that he murdered him. Absolutely.

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I think I think m Benga definitely killed the guy

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because the guy's been living off and Benga's uh feats,

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I mean, and Benga's the one that killed all the

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Klingons to get to him, and he's been marching around

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telling everybody he killed his own soldiers to escape, which

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wasn't true at all, so he had no honor to

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begin with.

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Well it's true, but but like, if you want to

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start getting into it, it's not in Benga's job to

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actually like punish the dishonor of the Klingon. And in fact,

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the thing On had actually been doing some good things

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for you know, the galaxy as a whole there, and

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then Benga sort of shut that down by his accidental stabbing.

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So to speak.

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He tripped and fell on the knife, and all that happens.

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You know, theotional dampers weren't working.

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And oh Jesus, you know it just happened.

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Said they They agreed right that.

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It was murder. Yeah, sixty four percent said it was murder. Yeah,

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I think it was. It was a time travel thing. Yeah,

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he's not actually dead.

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David's explanations either fall into two categories, one time traveler

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or two doughnuts lots of nuts, or or trebles. Actually, sorry,

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I forget about troubles there and.

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The trible.

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I'm a big hot pile, complicated mess.

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It's all right. So our next question, Our next trivia

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question was Resistance is Futile? What is your favorite tyng

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Borg episode? We had Descent, q who best of both

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worlds and Iborg so coming in and last place was

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Descent with two percent. Then we had q who with

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sixteen percent, which was tied with Iborg at sixteen percent,

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and number one with sixty six percent best of both worlds.

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Does that surprise you?

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You know, it would actually be interesting to poll best

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of both worlds out of this pole and then see

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what people say, because I certainly think that episodes like

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Iborg deserves more than sixteen percent of any Borg pole,

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so to speak. I just think Best of Both Worlds

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has that iconic like two pardness to it. It's got

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the iconic like transition from part one to part two.

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I mean, there's a lot of Borg stuff going on

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in that episode. If you just if you just sort

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of take out the movie esque nature of that episode

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and you look at some of the idiosyncrasies of some

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of these other Borg episodes, I think they deserve better.

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That's my opinion.

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Yeah, I kind of you who was kind of one

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of my favorites. I remember watching that over and over

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and over and over when it when it first came out,

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trying to wrap my head around the Borg. I loved

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that episode. But I mean Iborg, I.

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Think it's fantastic. I mean it's got like that that

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whole like I'm breaking the mold, you know, aspect to

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it with you and whatnot, and uh, it's really special.

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His relationship with the whole crew.

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Yeah, I don't know.

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I love it, And.

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They did.

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They did.

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Yeah, that's when Hard wanted to He wanted to infect

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the Borg and kill them all and commit genocide and

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guind and talked him out of it. That was a

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good episode, very good episode. And my final question, my

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final poll question was I'm sure this will cause a

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heated debate, which it did. The Klingons have always changed

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with each new series or movie. What look is your favorite?

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Now this one I was surprised by. So we have

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tos shoe polished, handlebar mustache look that came in with

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five percent of the vote. Then we go to Star

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Trek Demotion picture look, which also came in with five

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percent of the vote, which I was surprised. But what

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really surprised me was that the Kelvin Timeline also came in.

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With five percent of the vote.

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So you know, all those Klingons came in tides as

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five percent. Was a really surprised But the bigger surprise,

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the one that really shocked me, was the Discovery Klingons

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came in second place with nine percent of the vote,

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and of course the TNG Turtleheads came in top with

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seventy six percent. But the fact that Discovery outscored all

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of them really surprised me because I thought Discovery, with

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all the bitching and moaning from everybody, was going to

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be way down there, but it outscored everything except for teeng.

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Which you know.

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This is one of those areas where I feel like,

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maybe in the future we will have even better makeup

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technology that will allow the look of a Discovery Klingon

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without the limitations that I feel like we suffered from

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those Klingons. I think the biggest complaint that people had

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about Discovery Klingons, aside from you know, the houses and

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like whatever you think about the plot and the actual

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writing of it, but like in terms of the look

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of them and the actual performance of them, I think

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some of the actors had a hard time talking through

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all that makeup. You know, the teeth are limiting, They.

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Were difficult to understand.

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They were difficult to understand.

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Yeah, I think that's where the engagement broke down for people,

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because it's like, I think they when you really think

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about it objectively, I mean, they really did kind of

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look cool and badass, and you cannot critique their vehicles.

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I mean, the ships looked amazing, right, and they did

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a lot of cool stuff that that was really interesting.

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But you know when or yeah, I mean it's just

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like everyone just tunes out instantly. I mean, I remember

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that everybody I talked to at the same reaction. Right,

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My question is, how do you differentiate TMG kling on

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makeup from the motion picture makeup? There's virtually no difference. Well,

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it's I think it's true. I think TMP is when

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we see the first of the like ridged head klingons.

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I think it's probably just the kind of like standardized

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ridge versus the look. You know, you kind of think

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about what's his name from TMP, Cork or one of

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those guys. He's got kind of like the almost like

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cylindrical ridge that goes up his head versus the what

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I'll call the mountain peak ridge of the turtle heads.

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You know what I mean.

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I think, yeah, I kind of agree with Paul there,

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but I get what you're saying, Eric, But actually I

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thought the ridges were determined to clean on houses of

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their family. That's why they look different. But I believe

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Paul was saying was that they're from the same year, right,

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give a take.

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And yet the way.

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Prosthetics a prothetics it about.

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Ten years away.

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I mean, okay, Era, I mean.

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They were both the ones. It's like motion picture pioneered

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the whole use of like the weird foreheads, right, and

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g took that did the same thing, ran with it

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a little bit better, making technology. They look it's the

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same look. I mean, there's really no differentiation.

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I mean, so that would you argue that the Kelvin

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one is just a natural evolution of that or I mean.

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I don't think Kelvin one is just kind of like

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like a lot of things and those movies different for

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the sake of being different. Yeah, right, It's just like,

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you know, it's like, yeah, I mean when they're just

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trying to do it and the design guys have to

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feel they have to do something to make it different, right,

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but it's just like con the same. It's I I

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find the Discovery Klingons way more distinctive than usual. It's like,

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if you're gonna do something different, that's different, but it

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still feels very alien and weird. The you know, the

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Kelvin Klingons very underused, and I think it's like it's

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like you almost have to go, oh, yeah, there were

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Klingons in the Kelvin movies. Weren't there. It's like because

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they barely were even in there.

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Well, that just goes to say that the people who

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voted on these cleanon ridgards. You can say that you've

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got a lot of listeners who are fans of the

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TG Yeah.

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Wow, clearly, clearly but fun to talk about. Yeah, totally.

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Well, they are riginally and the starts with the motion

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picture technical manuals. The reason why the Klingons and the

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motion picture you've never seen klingons with that look ever again,

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because that was supposed to be an extension of their

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spine that wrapped up around their head. And they that's

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why all the Klingons in the motion picture look exactly

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the same.

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The cylinder heads.

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Yeah, and then when they moved on after the motion picture,

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they dropped that completely and went to the turtle head.

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I call it the turtle head.

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Turtle or the dinosaur head.

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Yeah, and that's what they used for the next fifteen years.

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But that's why the that's why I put the motion

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picture Klingon in there, because different design.

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In Discovery we have the Sydney Opera House forehead.

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Building.

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It's like the layered look it up. It's it's like

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the the layers that nest within of lobster. Lobster you know,

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there you go.

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Yeah, So that's that's why I put the motion picture

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kling on in there. So if you guys want to

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vote in these polls, that's great, head over to our

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our face Truck Talking podcast and be heard. Let your

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vote be heard, okay, And we don't take mail in votes.

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It has to be in person. You have to go

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there and do it in person on the Facebook page.

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So go and do that and record your vote. I

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have all kinds of fun and interesting polls up there.

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All right, Well, that wraps up our polls and now

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it's time for Charles. So this is our cadet training section.

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And this is where Charles goes at and goes through

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all of the Start archives and pulls out all kinds

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of great and interesting episodes that tie into the episodes

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that we're about to discuss on the podcast.

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Thank You. Jim had a list for the first two

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episodes and kind of like, okay, I'll do a summary

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of the two parter. But in the first episode, Kerry

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reminded me of DS nine's What We Left Behind. He's

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in seven, episode twenty five when they went to do

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the raid on the planet during the Dominion War, where

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one group tried to go into the planet to save them,

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and I think we got that same thing again in

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the two parter. We've also got dnng's Chain of Command

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season sixth, episode ten and eleven, which was the raid

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on the Dominion planet and the Card being captured. Ah,

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when we had Wesley, we talked about neuropeptide, which wasn't

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the first time we've used the term. It was used

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once in DAS nine's Rapture season five, episode ten, and

471
00:29:15.759 --> 00:29:21.480
five different episodes of Voyager. Of course, with the Doctor,

472
00:29:21.599 --> 00:29:24.440
we've got the traditional I'm a doctor and not a

473
00:29:25.319 --> 00:29:29.440
still in the blank. And then with a two parter,

474
00:29:29.680 --> 00:29:33.039
a few things that came up to mind, especially the ending,

475
00:29:33.440 --> 00:29:38.880
was reminding about Prodigy season one, kind of rehashing things

476
00:29:38.920 --> 00:29:43.119
that happened there, and then with what was happening was

477
00:29:43.160 --> 00:29:49.079
started Academy and the Federation combined in multiple things. I

478
00:29:49.200 --> 00:29:54.200
thought about the novel The Last Best Hope, which was

479
00:29:54.279 --> 00:29:59.480
the prequel to The Cards, using one the short Track,

480
00:30:01.640 --> 00:30:04.160
which was occurring at the same time they were looking

481
00:30:04.200 --> 00:30:08.680
at it when Mars got attacked, which all leads into

482
00:30:08.720 --> 00:30:12.839
Percard's season one, and we kind of get a clue

483
00:30:12.920 --> 00:30:17.799
what happened in season one with Pericard resigning because of

484
00:30:19.119 --> 00:30:24.079
We're not rescuing the ramiun planet anymore, and then one

485
00:30:24.160 --> 00:30:27.200
more fun one in there they snuck in. I went

486
00:30:27.279 --> 00:30:33.519
to Pricard season three with what happened to Beverly Crusher. Well,

487
00:30:33.559 --> 00:30:37.559
we got a little prequel of that when Wesley got

488
00:30:37.599 --> 00:30:42.440
to see his mom and indirectly got to see his brother.

489
00:30:45.559 --> 00:30:47.599
Those are some of the stuff I pulled out from

490
00:30:47.680 --> 00:30:52.519
these four episodes. But I bet Eric would love to

491
00:30:52.599 --> 00:30:55.319
talk about what our fans thought about these episodes.

492
00:30:57.119 --> 00:30:59.519
I would love to talk about what our fans thought

493
00:30:59.519 --> 00:31:02.519
about these episodes. So what do you think, guys?

494
00:31:02.559 --> 00:31:03.279
Do you want to do these?

495
00:31:03.720 --> 00:31:05.279
Do you want to give all scores at the same

496
00:31:05.319 --> 00:31:07.839
time or should we go like one, two and then

497
00:31:07.920 --> 00:31:10.240
a finale and kind of do them separately.

498
00:31:11.279 --> 00:31:12.960
Yeah, let's do them one at a time. That way

499
00:31:13.039 --> 00:31:15.000
Paul can give us a recap of each one.

500
00:31:15.119 --> 00:31:17.039
There we go, all right, So here we go. So

501
00:31:17.119 --> 00:31:21.440
on a scale one to ten, people thought that episode

502
00:31:21.799 --> 00:31:27.000
was eighteen. No, seventeen, Brink. They gave it five, and

503
00:31:27.079 --> 00:31:29.720
an eight point five is a very respectable score. I

504
00:31:29.759 --> 00:31:32.599
will say that we've had an awful lot of episodes

505
00:31:32.640 --> 00:31:36.680
this season that have reached that eight range, and just

506
00:31:36.720 --> 00:31:39.680
a couple that have fallen below that, But eight point

507
00:31:39.759 --> 00:31:43.119
five is I guess I would guess about average for

508
00:31:43.200 --> 00:31:50.759
what we've seen, which feels to me like it's performing strongly. Right, Yeah,

509
00:31:54.200 --> 00:31:56.759
So there you go. That's the fan score for Brink.

510
00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:03.720
So who wants to take the first? So, Paul, do

511
00:32:03.799 --> 00:32:07.279
you have like a summary? Forest then buddy, you want

512
00:32:07.359 --> 00:32:10.119
like a recap? Yeah, give us a recap for Brink. Okay,

513
00:32:10.240 --> 00:32:12.960
So we'll just do Brink individually. Okay, Yeah, let's start there,

514
00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:15.960
and we'll kind of to not get two down in

515
00:32:16.000 --> 00:32:17.480
the weeds here because we have a lot of stuff

516
00:32:17.480 --> 00:32:18.799
to get through, so I'm just try to, you know,

517
00:32:19.160 --> 00:32:21.279
blow through it if I can. So the Brink starts

518
00:32:21.319 --> 00:32:23.960
at the flashback about how Asensia originally got a hold

519
00:32:23.960 --> 00:32:29.319
of Wesley Crusher trying to stabilize the wormhole. Wesley intervenes, right,

520
00:32:29.440 --> 00:32:31.799
and then we end up having a brief conversation Jane

521
00:32:31.839 --> 00:32:33.440
Way and her officers trying to discuss.

522
00:32:33.319 --> 00:32:38.839
What to do about Essensia. Gwinn volunteers right to try

523
00:32:38.880 --> 00:32:41.960
to help by going behind enemy lines to collect intel

524
00:32:42.079 --> 00:32:44.319
about Essensia, And that's kind of like the backbone of

525
00:32:44.400 --> 00:32:49.480
this particular episode, right. She also wants to rescue Ilserod

526
00:32:49.759 --> 00:32:52.319
you know who's her father, to be right, and maybe

527
00:32:52.359 --> 00:32:56.200
give him asylum. Meanwhile, the cadets are all outside the

528
00:32:56.240 --> 00:32:59.640
conference room eavesdropping when they hear all this, Right, Migel

529
00:32:59.720 --> 00:33:01.680
resign finds out a nova squadron so they can all

530
00:33:01.720 --> 00:33:05.079
stay together. And then they all beamed down to solom

531
00:33:05.480 --> 00:33:07.680
all right to do this infiltration mission. And there'd been

532
00:33:07.759 --> 00:33:10.720
some preliminary talk earlier about how important it would be

533
00:33:10.920 --> 00:33:13.759
not to lose site to site transporter ability. Right, So

534
00:33:13.839 --> 00:33:15.400
they go down to Sole them and all of those

535
00:33:15.519 --> 00:33:19.559
Dreadnock robots. Right, everyone remembers Dreadnock from season one, Right,

536
00:33:19.599 --> 00:33:21.440
there's a lot of robots that are sort of you know,

537
00:33:22.119 --> 00:33:25.960
catered in his image. But the cadets have this cloaking

538
00:33:26.000 --> 00:33:28.359
field that to me is like exactly like.

539
00:33:28.440 --> 00:33:29.400
Harry Potter.

540
00:33:31.599 --> 00:33:35.079
Said, completely, I was just like, I mean, even the

541
00:33:35.119 --> 00:33:37.960
way it was shot was a visibility cloak like, right,

542
00:33:38.119 --> 00:33:40.880
So I thought that was pretty funny, so but but

543
00:33:41.039 --> 00:33:43.839
kind of charming, all right. And then the cadets get

544
00:33:43.839 --> 00:33:47.279
a coded message from Ilthern's last position, all right, and

545
00:33:47.440 --> 00:33:50.759
up in Iltheron's lab there is a white Dreadnock robot,

546
00:33:50.880 --> 00:33:54.359
which is interesting, and Essensia is up there waiting for them,

547
00:33:54.559 --> 00:33:58.559
but it's not Essensia, it's her younger self, a more

548
00:33:58.680 --> 00:34:04.559
innocent and and good version of her, and younger Essensia

549
00:34:04.599 --> 00:34:08.559
has been helping Ilterron organize this resistance movement. Young Essensia

550
00:34:08.679 --> 00:34:13.760
explains that her older self has captured Wesley and now

551
00:34:13.800 --> 00:34:16.159
they have a choice to make about who to rescue

552
00:34:16.719 --> 00:34:19.039
il Thron or Wesley, and so they decide that that's

553
00:34:19.119 --> 00:34:20.880
not a good choice, that kind of thing, right, They're

554
00:34:20.880 --> 00:34:22.960
going to split up and try to do both so

555
00:34:23.119 --> 00:34:25.360
that both of them are worth rescuing, though they only

556
00:34:25.599 --> 00:34:31.079
have one site to site transporter. Dal has it, Gwynn

557
00:34:31.760 --> 00:34:35.079
does not, So Gwynn is counting on Wesley being able

558
00:34:35.159 --> 00:34:37.400
to transport them. It's kind of rolling the dice there,

559
00:34:37.519 --> 00:34:39.360
having a hunch that he'll be able to pull a

560
00:34:39.440 --> 00:34:42.480
card out of his sleeve. Right, they ambush the guards

561
00:34:42.519 --> 00:34:46.679
and entered the facility, Right, and you've got Dal, Assensia, Jenkin,

562
00:34:46.760 --> 00:34:48.960
Pog and Magel there to rescue Ilseron.

563
00:34:49.599 --> 00:34:49.719
Right.

564
00:34:50.360 --> 00:34:52.840
Then on the other half of the mission, you've got Gwynn,

565
00:34:53.320 --> 00:34:56.599
rock Zero and Murph breaking into their facility and there's

566
00:34:56.599 --> 00:34:59.480
a whole buttload of guards, right, and there's just guards everywhere.

567
00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:04.280
But they find Wesley, okay, and Wesley says he's guided

568
00:35:04.360 --> 00:35:07.639
the Sensia back to invent the tech that they needed

569
00:35:07.679 --> 00:35:10.280
to create the wormhole. They need to send the protostar back.

570
00:35:10.679 --> 00:35:10.719
What.

571
00:35:11.880 --> 00:35:12.119
Yeah.

572
00:35:12.280 --> 00:35:14.960
And if you think that's a lot of chatty kathy

573
00:35:15.320 --> 00:35:17.719
timey wimy stuff, just wait till we get to the finale.

574
00:35:18.320 --> 00:35:23.519
So you're saying that Wesley was planning everything my head

575
00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:29.159
all time. And then an escapeout is revealed, and then

576
00:35:29.400 --> 00:35:32.440
Wesley is freaked out that the group's separated. He goes, like,

577
00:35:32.639 --> 00:35:35.400
never ever separate, right, That is like a huge thing

578
00:35:35.480 --> 00:35:39.360
for them that this group, the Cadets almost stay together.

579
00:35:39.880 --> 00:35:42.360
And now because of that separation, all of Wesley's plans

580
00:35:42.360 --> 00:35:45.559
are now very uncertain. Gwynn shouldn't have split them up.

581
00:35:46.039 --> 00:35:49.760
Don and the others show up as prisoners of Essensia.

582
00:35:49.960 --> 00:35:53.480
Dun Du Dudu Dal throws the site to site transporter

583
00:35:53.639 --> 00:35:58.239
and beams both il Thron and Asensia back up to Voyager.

584
00:35:59.039 --> 00:36:01.840
That's pretty much what we in this episode. So again,

585
00:36:02.440 --> 00:36:08.000
this is brink that we're talking about, and the core

586
00:36:08.079 --> 00:36:13.360
of it really is seeing Gwynn lead this intelligence gathering

587
00:36:13.559 --> 00:36:19.199
infiltration team down to see what's going on on the planet.

588
00:36:19.599 --> 00:36:22.559
And so that's what we've got, kind of short condensed.

589
00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:25.320
You know, the plot doesn't really advance a ton, but

590
00:36:25.400 --> 00:36:27.159
we get a little bit of backstory revealing as far

591
00:36:27.199 --> 00:36:30.119
as Wesley and seeing what's been going on with these

592
00:36:30.159 --> 00:36:36.280
different iterations and time variable versions of essensia. Thoughts, gentlemen,

593
00:36:36.760 --> 00:36:38.280
do you want me to give it a number or

594
00:36:38.320 --> 00:36:40.079
should we all go around and discuss first, or how

595
00:36:40.079 --> 00:36:40.599
do you want to do this?

596
00:36:41.239 --> 00:36:43.519
Just well, let's discuss it one at a time and

597
00:36:43.519 --> 00:36:45.000
then figure out I mean, do you want to discuss

598
00:36:45.039 --> 00:36:46.360
your your opinions first.

599
00:36:46.920 --> 00:36:49.800
I thought this is a pretty decent episode. I generally

600
00:36:50.480 --> 00:36:54.039
liked it. It didn't really advance the plot a lot, right,

601
00:36:54.119 --> 00:36:59.920
and there weren't a lot of really super moving character moments.

602
00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:02.119
For me, it kind of was just, you know, a

603
00:37:02.199 --> 00:37:04.840
lot of it seemed like, you know, that they had

604
00:37:04.880 --> 00:37:07.159
a certain number of episodes they wanted to do, and

605
00:37:08.079 --> 00:37:10.519
I feel like we do kind of fall into a

606
00:37:10.559 --> 00:37:13.079
little bit of a trap sometimes. I feel this season

607
00:37:13.119 --> 00:37:17.280
where we are unnecessarily complicated right where there's just a

608
00:37:17.559 --> 00:37:21.760
whole lot of permutations of possible things happening, and the

609
00:37:21.840 --> 00:37:23.760
plot's a little more baroque than I think it needs

610
00:37:23.880 --> 00:37:26.239
to be, right to the point that you're kind of like,

611
00:37:26.440 --> 00:37:29.159
you know, like when you're dog's trying to figure out

612
00:37:29.239 --> 00:37:29.880
if it's time.

613
00:37:29.760 --> 00:37:30.239
To go out or not.

614
00:37:30.360 --> 00:37:32.280
You're tipping your head on one side. You're kind of like,

615
00:37:33.039 --> 00:37:35.599
do I understand what's happening right now? I'm not sure

616
00:37:35.679 --> 00:37:37.599
if I do. I got lost there. Who are we

617
00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:39.760
looking for again? And what time is it? And what's happening?

618
00:37:39.840 --> 00:37:42.719
And then eh, yeah, So I mean there's some moments

619
00:37:42.800 --> 00:37:46.719
like that, right, But but I generally liked it, right

620
00:37:46.800 --> 00:37:49.039
I would. I would say my grade for this episode,

621
00:37:49.159 --> 00:37:51.000
you know, and I'd like to judge all of the

622
00:37:51.239 --> 00:37:55.679
Prodigy episodes against other Prodigy episodes, right, So that's the thing, right,

623
00:37:56.320 --> 00:37:58.920
I still find it very entertaining. I would give it

624
00:37:58.960 --> 00:38:03.119
a I'm comfortable giving it an eight. I think eight

625
00:38:03.159 --> 00:38:03.559
out of ten.

626
00:38:04.239 --> 00:38:07.920
That's not so bad. Yeah, I mean the invisibility cloak

627
00:38:08.039 --> 00:38:11.679
cracked me up, and I was immediately I rewound it

628
00:38:11.800 --> 00:38:14.360
and pulled my wife into the room and showed a

629
00:38:14.440 --> 00:38:18.400
jars like, look, it's Harry Potter in the star Trek.

630
00:38:21.320 --> 00:38:25.719
But did I maybe the way that we're sort of

631
00:38:25.800 --> 00:38:28.519
like trickle watching all the episodes made me forget, what

632
00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:31.559
did young Essensia? Had we seen her before?

633
00:38:32.000 --> 00:38:32.239
Did I?

634
00:38:33.360 --> 00:38:33.559
Yeah?

635
00:38:34.360 --> 00:38:36.119
I don't think so, Yes, I don't know.

636
00:38:37.400 --> 00:38:38.920
She appeared earlier in the season.

637
00:38:39.639 --> 00:38:42.800
She did, Yeah, tell me more she.

638
00:38:44.960 --> 00:38:45.880
I'll go ahead and Charles.

639
00:38:47.119 --> 00:38:50.880
That's how Sensi approved that she was her. She was

640
00:38:51.000 --> 00:38:55.480
her because she found her younger self, got evidence that

641
00:38:55.639 --> 00:38:58.679
she's who she's claimed to be.

642
00:38:59.159 --> 00:39:04.239
Okay, I forgot that when I watched this episode, so

643
00:39:04.320 --> 00:39:06.119
all of a sudden, I was like, who the heck

644
00:39:06.239 --> 00:39:08.159
is young Assension? Where did she come from?

645
00:39:10.559 --> 00:39:10.760
Yeah?

646
00:39:10.960 --> 00:39:15.000
Okay, But upon like a second watch, if I was

647
00:39:15.079 --> 00:39:17.079
like binging the season, I'd probably pick up on that

648
00:39:17.239 --> 00:39:17.800
straight away.

649
00:39:18.519 --> 00:39:18.920
I got that.

650
00:39:19.840 --> 00:39:22.800
I loved some of the gag work in this one,

651
00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:26.599
like the it was like a Weekend at Bernie's moment

652
00:39:26.719 --> 00:39:29.480
where they're like the guard is unconscious and they're like,

653
00:39:30.239 --> 00:39:33.039
you know, moving him around, like we can we get

654
00:39:33.519 --> 00:39:35.039
I don't know. I just thought that was hilarious.

655
00:39:35.519 --> 00:39:37.360
I love that, so I did.

656
00:39:37.880 --> 00:39:42.519
I did like that they described how Wesley got captured,

657
00:39:42.760 --> 00:39:45.320
because you know, I think all along We've been thinking

658
00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:48.400
this guy's a traveler, like, how do you catch a traveler?

659
00:39:48.400 --> 00:39:50.760
And it turns out you just shoot him in the

660
00:39:50.840 --> 00:39:51.800
back when they're.

661
00:39:51.679 --> 00:39:52.320
Not looking at it.

662
00:39:54.760 --> 00:39:57.119
A little less sophisticated than maybe I wanted it to be,

663
00:39:57.280 --> 00:40:03.519
but we understand now how he got captured. I did

664
00:40:03.719 --> 00:40:06.119
like that it ended in sort of a cliffhanger, you know,

665
00:40:06.960 --> 00:40:09.599
Wesley does the I don't know what happens next at

666
00:40:09.639 --> 00:40:10.199
the very end.

667
00:40:10.440 --> 00:40:11.599
So I'm kind of with.

668
00:40:11.679 --> 00:40:15.719
Paul, like, episode didn't knock my socks off, but I

669
00:40:16.480 --> 00:40:20.000
enjoyed it well enough. I am not afraid of decimals.

670
00:40:20.119 --> 00:40:22.119
I was going to go a little bit lower than

671
00:40:22.199 --> 00:40:24.519
Paul went. I was going to give this one like

672
00:40:24.599 --> 00:40:25.559
a seven point five.

673
00:40:27.800 --> 00:40:29.760
If I was a decimal guy, i'd probably do the

674
00:40:29.800 --> 00:40:32.400
same thing. Yeah, you know, I probably would, but I'm not,

675
00:40:32.639 --> 00:40:35.480
and I tend to, like, you know, prefer the round up,

676
00:40:35.639 --> 00:40:38.199
you know, if I can, unless something really pisses me off.

677
00:40:39.920 --> 00:40:42.119
So I totally get where you're coming from. I think

678
00:40:42.119 --> 00:40:44.800
it's totally legit. Well, I thought.

679
00:40:46.480 --> 00:40:48.760
My big question was how in the hell did she

680
00:40:48.920 --> 00:40:51.320
capture Wesley in the first place? And I brought this

681
00:40:51.480 --> 00:40:54.000
up a couple of episodes ago when we found out

682
00:40:54.039 --> 00:40:56.280
that she had Wesley, and then we find out all

683
00:40:56.320 --> 00:41:00.360
along it was we orchestrated the whole thing. He himself

684
00:41:00.440 --> 00:41:04.280
be captured, set the whole thing in motion. He told

685
00:41:04.360 --> 00:41:09.119
them to stay together and he you know, he had

686
00:41:09.159 --> 00:41:12.679
the whole thing planned out, so that that vindicated you

687
00:41:12.800 --> 00:41:17.039
know what I said about her capturing him previously. So

688
00:41:17.119 --> 00:41:21.000
I thought that was pretty cool. But you know, I'm

689
00:41:21.280 --> 00:41:24.079
kind of with Paul. I mean, there wasn't much in

690
00:41:24.199 --> 00:41:27.559
this episode to move things along. It was kind of

691
00:41:27.639 --> 00:41:31.960
like a like a I want to say, a filler episode,

692
00:41:32.119 --> 00:41:37.760
but yeah, it just kind of felt, you know, blah. So, yeah,

693
00:41:37.840 --> 00:41:40.239
I'm gonna go with Eric, but I think I'm gonna

694
00:41:40.280 --> 00:41:47.320
go with a seven point six, you know, just to

695
00:41:48.079 --> 00:41:48.280
just to.

696
00:41:50.159 --> 00:41:50.320
There.

697
00:41:51.480 --> 00:41:54.880
Yeah, just a seven point six, yeah, because I know

698
00:41:55.239 --> 00:41:55.719
it would.

699
00:41:55.519 --> 00:41:57.840
Have taken to move you up to a seven point seven.

700
00:41:58.840 --> 00:42:01.199
The real question, Paul is what would it have taken

701
00:42:01.239 --> 00:42:03.239
to move him up to a seven point six y five?

702
00:42:03.639 --> 00:42:06.800
Because oh god, I don't want to live in the world.

703
00:42:08.159 --> 00:42:10.880
Wow, it's been jumping out of the plane.

704
00:42:13.079 --> 00:42:15.480
I don't know, Paul, that Paratruy might only have point

705
00:42:15.639 --> 00:42:17.320
behalf of the person.

706
00:42:18.800 --> 00:42:21.159
Counting on am counting on a field of wheat or

707
00:42:21.239 --> 00:42:30.079
a lake to I can't handle it well, risk David.

708
00:42:30.960 --> 00:42:31.519
Yeah, I.

709
00:42:33.159 --> 00:42:35.880
I I kind of liked this episode mainly because I

710
00:42:36.000 --> 00:42:39.480
had a lot to do with how Wesley got captured,

711
00:42:39.480 --> 00:42:43.360
because I was actually curried myself. Was U Drim right?

712
00:42:43.599 --> 00:42:45.719
Did he actually plan it all the way through? Which,

713
00:42:46.079 --> 00:42:50.639
congratulations Drim you were right. So to me, I was

714
00:42:50.719 --> 00:42:55.719
actually looking forward to seeing what transpired, And actually I

715
00:42:56.440 --> 00:42:59.519
kind of agree with kind of the idea that it

716
00:42:59.599 --> 00:43:01.760
didn't move it forward very much, but I think it

717
00:43:01.880 --> 00:43:05.840
moved a little bit, okay, zero point five higher of

718
00:43:05.960 --> 00:43:09.079
the plot forward than everybody else was like saying it

719
00:43:09.119 --> 00:43:12.920
didn't really move it. But to me, I'm thinking that

720
00:43:13.440 --> 00:43:17.320
this episode, I don't know. I mean, I actually did

721
00:43:17.400 --> 00:43:20.239
not think of Harry Potter when the cloaking field came down,

722
00:43:20.280 --> 00:43:24.639
because we've had cloaking field around people before, like in

723
00:43:24.719 --> 00:43:28.440
Deep Base nine when Clark was stealing the clean on

724
00:43:28.519 --> 00:43:30.280
cloaking device and the boat of play, right.

725
00:43:30.639 --> 00:43:33.679
But when people sneaking into a building and they're all

726
00:43:33.920 --> 00:43:36.199
underneath it, the same Blanke get together kind of a

727
00:43:36.239 --> 00:43:37.880
thing different.

728
00:43:38.320 --> 00:43:41.480
It was an object that was cloaked, Yeah, it doesn't

729
00:43:41.519 --> 00:43:42.800
necessarily show the.

730
00:43:44.519 --> 00:43:47.320
Grape or the globe of the cloak field.

731
00:43:47.920 --> 00:43:51.000
Sure again, Actually I imagine it would have been about

732
00:43:51.000 --> 00:43:56.559
the same thing. What happened there was like it showed

733
00:43:56.559 --> 00:43:58.840
a little shimmery field of the cloaking field around there.

734
00:43:58.880 --> 00:44:04.280
Yeah, totally did Yeah, uh yeah, I don't know. To me,

735
00:44:04.440 --> 00:44:06.480
I just felt like it was kind of like the

736
00:44:06.599 --> 00:44:10.960
same idea that they you that idea before. I just

737
00:44:11.239 --> 00:44:14.559
like Harry Potter did not pop into my mind at all.

738
00:44:14.920 --> 00:44:18.480
I was just like, yeah, okay, So to me, I

739
00:44:18.480 --> 00:44:24.079
don't know, this episode seems a lot more which the

740
00:44:24.119 --> 00:44:33.960
word uh interesting, can I chees would freaking yeah, I guess.

741
00:44:35.360 --> 00:44:39.599
So yeah. Yeah. For the sake of time, I'm just

742
00:44:39.679 --> 00:44:41.480
gonna go ahead and give my score and say I'm

743
00:44:41.480 --> 00:44:46.559
gonna give this episode a seven point five.

744
00:44:47.400 --> 00:44:47.840
Here we go.

745
00:44:49.039 --> 00:44:52.559
Okay, so Paul's got the high score so far.

746
00:44:55.119 --> 00:44:58.320
You know, yeah, we're all saying the same thing right now.

747
00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:03.679
Well, okay, a couple of things that threw in here.

748
00:45:04.800 --> 00:45:07.840
I may note about seeing this reminding me once again

749
00:45:07.920 --> 00:45:13.119
about the Dominion War, but this was This was also

750
00:45:13.119 --> 00:45:19.599
an interesting episode because the first time the Progy's use

751
00:45:19.679 --> 00:45:23.360
a flashback then and we ended up using it for

752
00:45:23.800 --> 00:45:27.760
this one and the next episode, but that we have

753
00:45:27.880 --> 00:45:30.800
a flashback and like, okay, let's go back in time

754
00:45:31.360 --> 00:45:37.320
and show what really happened, show how Wesley did get captured. Well,

755
00:45:37.360 --> 00:45:40.079
I thought that was an interesting way of kind of

756
00:45:40.159 --> 00:45:43.400
looking at what happened before to explain it.

757
00:45:44.159 --> 00:45:45.039
And I didn't.

758
00:45:45.119 --> 00:45:49.559
I thought it wasn't Jim that was talking about Wesley's redemption.

759
00:45:49.679 --> 00:45:53.199
I thought it was Paul who said, unless something comes up,

760
00:45:53.280 --> 00:45:55.159
I'm not going to be happy about what they do.

761
00:45:56.039 --> 00:46:01.000
Why he took the story of that direction, But I

762
00:46:01.079 --> 00:46:01.400
think I.

763
00:46:03.079 --> 00:46:03.960
Definitely said that.

764
00:46:06.199 --> 00:46:07.599
Okay, I thought it was Paul.

765
00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:13.320
May have been Jim, but I'm gonna bump this one

766
00:46:13.400 --> 00:46:16.039
a little bit up from Paul and given eight point

767
00:46:16.159 --> 00:46:18.320
two whoa.

768
00:46:21.559 --> 00:46:29.920
Which seven point eight? Seven point and our fans gave

769
00:46:29.960 --> 00:46:30.559
it a lot.

770
00:46:33.679 --> 00:46:34.880
Eight point five.

771
00:46:35.599 --> 00:46:39.000
Yeah, okay, so we're we're lowered than the fans.

772
00:46:39.199 --> 00:46:43.679
That's cool, Yeah, I think, but I you know, it

773
00:46:43.719 --> 00:46:45.920
would be I wish I could speak to the fans,

774
00:46:46.000 --> 00:46:51.800
right because I wonder what their criteria was. I tend

775
00:46:51.840 --> 00:46:54.920
to be with Paul, like I evaluate each episode against

776
00:46:55.199 --> 00:46:59.280
you know, the last in the season and stuff. So anyway, uh.

777
00:47:00.840 --> 00:47:05.519
I think because I think because we got this as

778
00:47:05.599 --> 00:47:08.280
a mass instead of been a week by week, we

779
00:47:08.320 --> 00:47:10.960
didn't really get the fan input that we really wanted

780
00:47:10.960 --> 00:47:12.760
to see, Right.

781
00:47:13.320 --> 00:47:16.360
I think when we start doing lower decks weekly, I

782
00:47:16.480 --> 00:47:19.360
think we'll get more actual fan reaction.

783
00:47:21.119 --> 00:47:26.599
But you know, well, speaking of fan reaction, I think

784
00:47:26.639 --> 00:47:28.519
we should move on to Touch of Gray. So on

785
00:47:28.599 --> 00:47:31.559
a scale of one to ten, our Facebook fans thought

786
00:47:31.719 --> 00:47:34.679
Touch of Gray was an eight point four, which is

787
00:47:34.760 --> 00:47:39.559
only one tenth lower than the last episode. So, Paul,

788
00:47:40.159 --> 00:47:42.559
can you hit us with us summary for Touch of Gray?

789
00:47:43.440 --> 00:47:47.800
Absolutely, dude. Okay, here we go. So the Proto Star

790
00:47:47.920 --> 00:47:51.440
crew is behind enemy lines on solo, right, and we

791
00:47:51.519 --> 00:47:54.599
have a little character development scene where Zakota and Janeway

792
00:47:54.639 --> 00:47:59.280
are talking about life retirements the past, and Wesley again

793
00:47:59.440 --> 00:48:01.639
emphasized the fact that he doesn't seem to know what's

794
00:48:01.679 --> 00:48:06.280
going to happen next. Right, and Iltron and Asensia are

795
00:48:06.320 --> 00:48:08.480
in sick Bay and Wesley seems in pretty bad shake.

796
00:48:08.719 --> 00:48:11.199
He truly, truly does seems like he's pretty messed up

797
00:48:11.239 --> 00:48:14.679
from his encounter there. Essensia a sense of broadcast showing

798
00:48:14.719 --> 00:48:17.119
her prisoners on their way to the prison transport and

799
00:48:17.360 --> 00:48:20.599
basically daring Janeway to come confront her, not getting all

800
00:48:20.679 --> 00:48:23.800
you know, getting her you know, come at me, bro

801
00:48:24.880 --> 00:48:28.360
kind of moment. Right, So Janeway organizes an away team

802
00:48:29.239 --> 00:48:32.280
and Gwynn feels guilty for making the wrong decision, the

803
00:48:32.320 --> 00:48:36.039
wrong choice, right, And then we cut over the Janeway crusher,

804
00:48:36.400 --> 00:48:41.119
the doctor and Chacote in a Soleom shovel. Dal and

805
00:48:41.199 --> 00:48:43.920
all the cadets here meanwhile, are in an ancient Soleom

806
00:48:44.039 --> 00:48:49.960
city and Essensia has brought them there to face a

807
00:48:50.119 --> 00:48:55.039
loom intended to erase them all right, So it's it's

808
00:48:55.119 --> 00:48:59.000
kind of like almost like sacrifice sacrificial moment, right. But

809
00:48:59.280 --> 00:49:04.880
then Geral Janeway turns herself into Essensia basically ostensibly. You

810
00:49:04.960 --> 00:49:06.960
know that's always a good move, right. You want to

811
00:49:07.000 --> 00:49:08.480
be able to get close enough to kill your enemy,

812
00:49:08.480 --> 00:49:11.039
you surmend her to them, right, So she turns herself

813
00:49:11.119 --> 00:49:14.760
in ostensibly to negotiate for the prisoners, and it's really

814
00:49:14.920 --> 00:49:20.039
creating a distraction for Jacote and Wesley, right, And there's

815
00:49:20.039 --> 00:49:22.039
something weird about the loom. The loom seems kind of

816
00:49:22.199 --> 00:49:26.840
freaked out, right, and Zero senses fear and loneliness out

817
00:49:26.840 --> 00:49:30.719
of the loom. And then real crazy. Okay, another one

818
00:49:30.760 --> 00:49:34.440
of these fake out moments, right, Essensia shoots Janeway, except

819
00:49:34.480 --> 00:49:37.599
before you spill your coffee, it wasn't Janeway. It turns

820
00:49:37.639 --> 00:49:43.239
out it was the doctor emh impersonating Janeway, Thank goodness.

821
00:49:44.199 --> 00:49:45.400
So there you go.

822
00:49:45.880 --> 00:49:49.599
They free the Loom, right then Wesley brings the shuttle

823
00:49:49.639 --> 00:49:54.000
to them in remotely so everybody can escape, right ilfen

824
00:49:54.079 --> 00:49:57.800
Ron broadcasts to the people to rise off against Essensia,

825
00:49:58.039 --> 00:50:02.039
using his catchphrase that you're very familiar with since season one.

826
00:50:02.519 --> 00:50:07.280
There is no barrier we cannot overcome. And Gwynn is

827
00:50:07.400 --> 00:50:10.519
very grateful for the rescue. Feeling is that they still

828
00:50:10.639 --> 00:50:13.960
need to finish what they started, and Jane Way agrees.

829
00:50:14.800 --> 00:50:18.719
So basically the whole concept of this episode was just

830
00:50:18.880 --> 00:50:24.280
Janeway's plan to liberate her crew from Messensia's prison, where

831
00:50:24.360 --> 00:50:27.360
they've been you know, trapped with this you know, angry

832
00:50:27.440 --> 00:50:30.880
and fearful captive from the Loom. Right, So there you

833
00:50:30.960 --> 00:50:33.039
have it. And I don't know, I kind of found

834
00:50:33.079 --> 00:50:36.840
this very similar in terms of I was kind of

835
00:50:36.840 --> 00:50:39.559
waiting for the big stuff, right if you will, right

836
00:50:39.679 --> 00:50:41.280
as I had a kind of similar reaction that I

837
00:50:41.360 --> 00:50:43.159
did to Brink. I thought it was a good episode.

838
00:50:43.199 --> 00:50:48.519
It was well done. I thought it advanced things a

839
00:50:48.559 --> 00:50:52.000
little bit. I thought it was pretty decent. But for me,

840
00:50:52.119 --> 00:50:55.239
it was like most of the and it's just it's

841
00:50:55.239 --> 00:50:57.400
always very entertaining to watch this show. Think, I just

842
00:50:57.440 --> 00:50:59.159
want to take a second and talk about that. Right,

843
00:50:59.199 --> 00:51:01.880
it's like confusing as the plot goes and whatnot, just

844
00:51:01.960 --> 00:51:06.119
sitting back and watching it. It's seldom sits still from

845
00:51:06.199 --> 00:51:09.679
with a minute, right, I mean they keep plot moving

846
00:51:09.760 --> 00:51:12.360
quickly and there's a lot of transitions, right, and things

847
00:51:12.400 --> 00:51:15.000
are happening all the time, and sometimes you're having to

848
00:51:15.119 --> 00:51:17.119
like wait a second, what just happened, and then just

849
00:51:17.320 --> 00:51:19.239
you're onto the next thing, right, So it can be

850
00:51:19.320 --> 00:51:22.079
really difficult sometimes to keep track of everything that's happening

851
00:51:22.639 --> 00:51:25.159
in a linear way, especially with the way they're messing

852
00:51:25.199 --> 00:51:27.400
around with time. So much is this season, right, and

853
00:51:27.440 --> 00:51:31.159
people are split up into different subgroups. But it's always entertaining, right,

854
00:51:31.360 --> 00:51:36.199
And you got to give some big MVP awards I

855
00:51:36.400 --> 00:51:43.519
think to the Janeway and to Chacote, Right, I think

856
00:51:43.599 --> 00:51:48.440
that they really step up and just do a phenomenal job.

857
00:51:49.159 --> 00:51:53.320
I think of kind of galvanizing the vibe if you will.

858
00:51:54.159 --> 00:51:57.559
I think they just really are entertaining, and Janeway particular

859
00:51:57.679 --> 00:51:59.880
is just you get two versions of Janeway, which is great,

860
00:52:00.400 --> 00:52:02.280
right because of Hola Janeway. And I just think it's

861
00:52:02.320 --> 00:52:04.519
a really entertaining show, despite you know the fact that

862
00:52:04.639 --> 00:52:06.480
sometimes they're like, well there's a lot really happened in

863
00:52:06.559 --> 00:52:11.119
this episode that really you know, grab me emotionally or

864
00:52:11.280 --> 00:52:13.719
moved me or was this kind of entertaining fun action

865
00:52:13.920 --> 00:52:14.599
and that's okay?

866
00:52:15.400 --> 00:52:15.960
I think so.

867
00:52:16.719 --> 00:52:21.519
I thought that was all right again kind of you know,

868
00:52:21.599 --> 00:52:23.480
moving us along. It's it's almost like one of the

869
00:52:23.559 --> 00:52:25.760
old styles. I don't know if anybody else but near

870
00:52:25.840 --> 00:52:28.400
overs the old style serial kind of not cereal that

871
00:52:28.480 --> 00:52:32.079
you eat, but like the old movie cereals out of

872
00:52:32.239 --> 00:52:34.800
like the that they used to have like in the

873
00:52:35.000 --> 00:52:37.320
in the forties and fifties. Right, I'm not that old,

874
00:52:37.360 --> 00:52:39.719
but I remember seeing them like it's basically what Buck

875
00:52:39.800 --> 00:52:43.719
Rogers and Flash Gordon, right, if anyone's ever seen those

876
00:52:43.760 --> 00:52:46.159
old the old serial type of storytelling, right, which is

877
00:52:46.199 --> 00:52:48.119
why the inspiration for Star Wars was where you just

878
00:52:48.159 --> 00:52:50.239
have okay, and then this week we're gonna go here

879
00:52:50.280 --> 00:52:52.199
and then this exciting things are gonna happen, and there's

880
00:52:52.199 --> 00:52:54.119
gonna be cliffhanger and I'm not really sure what's gonna

881
00:52:54.119 --> 00:52:56.199
Oh my god. And then next week right, moving at

882
00:52:56.199 --> 00:52:59.440
a fast, breakneck pace, and so it has the feeling

883
00:52:59.599 --> 00:53:02.519
of those old serial melodramas a lot, right, which is

884
00:53:02.559 --> 00:53:06.239
really kind of fun. So even though I, you know,

885
00:53:06.440 --> 00:53:08.159
I don't think that a whole lot of ground was

886
00:53:08.199 --> 00:53:11.599
broken here, I still felt, Okay, we are accelerating, We're

887
00:53:11.639 --> 00:53:15.000
moving towards what's gonna be the conclusion next week, right,

888
00:53:15.119 --> 00:53:17.119
the big finale. So I'm going to give it the

889
00:53:17.159 --> 00:53:20.360
same grade that I gave a Brink. I would give

890
00:53:20.400 --> 00:53:25.199
this one an eight, right, I think engaging fun, more

891
00:53:25.360 --> 00:53:28.880
entertaining than frustrating. But I'm ready for things to escalate

892
00:53:28.960 --> 00:53:34.760
into a little bit more of a climactic place in

893
00:53:34.880 --> 00:53:39.320
terms of the plot. So an eight for me, Eric.

894
00:53:40.280 --> 00:53:44.440
Yeah, So I this one like grabbed me from the

895
00:53:44.480 --> 00:53:49.480
beginning because I felt like the Jane way, you know,

896
00:53:49.760 --> 00:53:52.719
thinking about her past and doubting herself and all that

897
00:53:52.800 --> 00:53:55.519
kind of stuff felt very much like the beginning of

898
00:53:55.719 --> 00:53:58.920
the cage for me, and the whole like Christopher Pike,

899
00:53:59.039 --> 00:54:02.960
like going back and thinking about his time as a

900
00:54:03.039 --> 00:54:05.960
captain and you know, feeling like he's kind of been

901
00:54:06.000 --> 00:54:07.599
beat up by the world and that sort of thing.

902
00:54:08.599 --> 00:54:11.320
So I liked the beginning of this episode quite a bit.

903
00:54:11.360 --> 00:54:14.000
I will agree that I think Kate mulgrew and Robert

904
00:54:14.039 --> 00:54:17.360
Beltran are actually both totally knocking it out of the

905
00:54:17.400 --> 00:54:20.920
park from here on out, I mean, throughout the entire season,

906
00:54:21.000 --> 00:54:25.199
but like in particular, these last few episodes I thought

907
00:54:25.239 --> 00:54:29.639
were great. I like, I think some of just the

908
00:54:29.840 --> 00:54:34.800
little uh touches to fun stuff here and there. For example,

909
00:54:36.239 --> 00:54:41.159
you know, Hologram Janeway sort of fan bloying over the Doctor,

910
00:54:42.480 --> 00:54:46.079
which I think is very appropriate given that Holograham Janeway

911
00:54:46.239 --> 00:54:49.400
is very quickly turning into you know, I mean a

912
00:54:49.559 --> 00:54:53.199
doctor ish character, one that's a hologram that's been on

913
00:54:53.440 --> 00:54:55.840
for a long time, that's been evolving along the way,

914
00:54:56.000 --> 00:55:01.679
that has grown emotional attachments to it's crew and that

915
00:55:01.800 --> 00:55:05.320
sort of stuff. So I like the development a little

916
00:55:05.360 --> 00:55:08.239
bit of the Hologram Janeway thing here. I also think

917
00:55:08.360 --> 00:55:13.679
that rock Talk sort of fan bling over Wesley is

918
00:55:13.800 --> 00:55:17.239
really cute in this episode. You know, I mean, she's

919
00:55:17.280 --> 00:55:21.000
a scientist, and obviously, before Wesley was a traveler, he

920
00:55:21.119 --> 00:55:23.840
was basically just like an uber nerd who could solve

921
00:55:24.199 --> 00:55:27.960
any problem. And that's that's pretty much rock talk role

922
00:55:28.119 --> 00:55:31.320
on the show. So I love the connection of those

923
00:55:31.400 --> 00:55:35.800
two characters. So yeah, you know, it's scary when the

924
00:55:35.840 --> 00:55:40.719
Loom starts like executing a bunch of people here. You know,

925
00:55:40.840 --> 00:55:43.920
you got a revolt by the people of solom in

926
00:55:44.000 --> 00:55:47.960
this episode. So I liked this episode just a little

927
00:55:47.960 --> 00:55:50.840
bit better than the last one. You know, I don't

928
00:55:50.880 --> 00:55:54.679
I don't think this is like top form Prodigy, but

929
00:55:54.760 --> 00:55:56.440
I felt like it just kind of moved the ball

930
00:55:56.440 --> 00:55:57.960
a little bit forward, and you can tell that it's

931
00:55:58.119 --> 00:56:02.760
accelerating the pace to our last two episodes. You know

932
00:56:03.480 --> 00:56:05.280
that you could say that this one is kind of

933
00:56:05.320 --> 00:56:08.679
the pen ultimate episode, given that the last two sort

934
00:56:08.719 --> 00:56:11.400
of worked together as a as one episode. So I'm

935
00:56:11.400 --> 00:56:17.199
gonna give this one. Mm yeah, a solid eight, solid eight.

936
00:56:17.400 --> 00:56:19.639
I thought this one was pretty good and I enjoyed

937
00:56:19.679 --> 00:56:20.199
it quite a bit.

938
00:56:21.480 --> 00:56:26.079
So, okay, well that's cool at eight. Well I liked

939
00:56:26.119 --> 00:56:28.719
this one too. I thought this was a fun one.

940
00:56:29.800 --> 00:56:32.199
I really liked the doctor when he said that I'm

941
00:56:32.239 --> 00:56:36.079
a doctor, not a what did he say, spy? What

942
00:56:36.199 --> 00:56:36.679
did he say?

943
00:56:38.840 --> 00:56:43.199
And he says, I'm not a not a covert operative.

944
00:56:44.360 --> 00:56:47.320
That's it. I was like, you know, I was cracking up.

945
00:56:47.360 --> 00:56:50.239
I really liked the Doctor. That was that was funny.

946
00:56:50.760 --> 00:56:55.000
I did you know, so a Sinsia captured Wesley and

947
00:56:55.079 --> 00:56:58.920
we learned how the hell did you capture a noon?

948
00:57:01.199 --> 00:57:05.480
I mean, no one knows, no one knows the loom exists,

949
00:57:06.159 --> 00:57:09.960
but she captures one. I'm like, really that kind of

950
00:57:10.119 --> 00:57:12.239
that kind of bugged me a little.

951
00:57:12.000 --> 00:57:18.119
Bit, like like future tech and stuff, right, I mean that, yeah, ways,

952
00:57:18.239 --> 00:57:20.360
so we don't understand I.

953
00:57:20.920 --> 00:57:27.599
Guess I yeah, that seemed a little weird to me.

954
00:57:28.039 --> 00:57:30.880
But I really did like Chakota and I really liked

955
00:57:31.840 --> 00:57:35.480
Let's go back to the holographic doctor. His his his

956
00:57:35.719 --> 00:57:38.840
big death scene. I was crashing up when he was

957
00:57:39.440 --> 00:57:42.639
when he was dying. You guys, did you guys ever

958
00:57:42.760 --> 00:57:45.000
see Buffy the Vampire Slayer the movie?

959
00:57:45.559 --> 00:57:46.320
Oh heck yeah?

960
00:57:47.559 --> 00:57:50.840
When when that when the head vampire dies and he

961
00:57:50.960 --> 00:57:53.920
gets staked in the heart and then after the credits roll,

962
00:57:54.199 --> 00:57:59.119
he's still dying. That's what it reminded me of. I

963
00:57:59.320 --> 00:58:02.519
was just like the Doctor and his death scene. I

964
00:58:02.719 --> 00:58:08.119
was cracking up. I thought it was great. Yeah, Chakota

965
00:58:08.280 --> 00:58:11.599
and Janeway were great in this episode. Holograham, Janeway was great.

966
00:58:13.480 --> 00:58:16.840
You know this this episode is definitely moving, moving towards

967
00:58:16.920 --> 00:58:21.199
the end, and uh, I enjoyed it again. You know,

968
00:58:21.239 --> 00:58:25.599
I'm gonna go with I'm gonna go with an eight

969
00:58:25.679 --> 00:58:29.079
point one because I gotta throw those decimals in there

970
00:58:29.119 --> 00:58:31.920
for Paul. I gotta do it. It just has to happen.

971
00:58:32.719 --> 00:58:34.960
Keeping the arbitrary alive, baby.

972
00:58:35.440 --> 00:58:38.440
Ye got it, gotta do it. Got now, if they

973
00:58:38.480 --> 00:58:41.559
didn't have the death scene with the doctor, I might

974
00:58:41.599 --> 00:58:42.960
have bumped it down to an eight.

975
00:58:43.039 --> 00:58:47.719
But the death scene, that's your point one right there, right.

976
00:58:47.639 --> 00:58:50.639
There there, we can hold out.

977
00:58:50.760 --> 00:58:56.039
That's it, all right? What do you think, David Well?

978
00:58:56.320 --> 00:58:59.719
I do agree with Paul on the idea that the

979
00:59:00.159 --> 00:59:03.800
you know, the whole old movie scenes and stuff, because

980
00:59:03.840 --> 00:59:05.400
I'm not that old, but I do have a little

981
00:59:05.400 --> 00:59:06.599
bit of touch of gray this saying.

982
00:59:07.280 --> 00:59:08.800
But the.

983
00:59:11.199 --> 00:59:13.519
The whole loom thing kind of threw me off as well.

984
00:59:14.840 --> 00:59:20.400
That whole and then when Zero starts feeling like, oh,

985
00:59:20.599 --> 00:59:23.960
lonely and you know, it's depressed or whatever, and I'm like,

986
00:59:25.280 --> 00:59:28.239
for one, this monster or this being, I guess you

987
00:59:28.280 --> 00:59:30.960
could say, is supposed to be from a different dimension

988
00:59:32.000 --> 00:59:37.880
who apparently has no emotion at all when it comes

989
00:59:37.920 --> 00:59:41.960
to destroying everything and causing everything to disappear, And I'm like,

990
00:59:43.719 --> 00:59:47.280
are they even on the same telepathic wavelength? It's the

991
00:59:47.440 --> 00:59:49.599
idea that it was supposed to be a different dimension.

992
00:59:49.719 --> 00:59:52.119
It was just like, I don't know if telepaths should

993
00:59:52.119 --> 00:59:54.960
be able to sense anything like that. So to me,

994
00:59:55.079 --> 00:59:57.360
I was like that whole loom thing kind of this, yeah,

995
00:59:57.400 --> 01:00:00.519
I don't know. That kind of threw my down a

996
01:00:00.519 --> 01:00:04.440
little bit for this episode, but yeah, Another thing I

997
01:00:04.639 --> 01:00:07.719
thought it was interesting was when the doctor was just

998
01:00:07.840 --> 01:00:11.599
guiding himself in January. I mean, who all here knew

999
01:00:11.920 --> 01:00:15.199
that was a twick right from the beginning, well.

1000
01:00:15.079 --> 01:00:17.760
Not right from the beginning, but certainly after she got shot,

1001
01:00:17.880 --> 01:00:19.760
I was like, okay, something's up.

1002
01:00:19.920 --> 01:00:23.360
Yeah, I didn't expect it until she got shot.

1003
01:00:24.320 --> 01:00:26.239
Okay, well maybe it was just me then, But then

1004
01:00:26.280 --> 01:00:31.199
I was thinking this show was meant for young audience

1005
01:00:31.519 --> 01:00:34.519
who haven't really experienced that twick in the book yet,

1006
01:00:35.039 --> 01:00:38.360
so I was thinking, yeah, this probably might have been,

1007
01:00:39.079 --> 01:00:42.480
you know, a send off to those young people who

1008
01:00:42.559 --> 01:00:46.800
were like, you know, a way to get them into

1009
01:00:47.039 --> 01:00:50.800
Star trek to let them know that this kind of

1010
01:00:50.880 --> 01:00:54.440
thing exists as a twick. So, I mean, it's one

1011
01:00:54.480 --> 01:00:55.880
of the oldest trips in the books. So I was

1012
01:00:55.960 --> 01:00:58.079
just like, Okay, yeah, I knew that was a thing,

1013
01:00:58.199 --> 01:01:02.840
but to me, I was just like, that whole idea

1014
01:01:03.360 --> 01:01:06.639
was just to me. I don't know, it's something about

1015
01:01:06.679 --> 01:01:12.320
it that just felt very what's the word uh I

1016
01:01:12.760 --> 01:01:13.800
got on tip of my tongue.

1017
01:01:13.880 --> 01:01:18.079
It's the cheesy. It felt cheesy, No.

1018
01:01:20.119 --> 01:01:23.280
Pictable, it would very This episode was very predictable for

1019
01:01:23.360 --> 01:01:26.880
me for some reason. But yeah, I don't know. My

1020
01:01:27.039 --> 01:01:29.880
number probably sunk a lot in this episode. It's not

1021
01:01:30.000 --> 01:01:31.960
that I didn't like it. I enjoyed it. It was

1022
01:01:32.079 --> 01:01:35.880
just that when it comes to predictabilities, to me, that

1023
01:01:36.119 --> 01:01:38.159
kind of stuff just kind of takes me out of

1024
01:01:38.239 --> 01:01:43.519
the loop. So to me, I'm gonna give this one

1025
01:01:44.000 --> 01:01:49.960
a seven just because of those few topics. And I

1026
01:01:50.079 --> 01:01:52.159
was like, okay, so yeah.

1027
01:01:57.000 --> 01:02:00.599
I think around of the kabooth and okay, I just

1028
01:02:00.719 --> 01:02:02.599
circles us right back to Charles.

1029
01:02:04.199 --> 01:02:04.639
All right.

1030
01:02:06.239 --> 01:02:13.159
I did like the technobabble with the neuropeptides driving Wesley.

1031
01:02:14.599 --> 01:02:17.920
I also like some jim Ury took my operative comment

1032
01:02:18.639 --> 01:02:22.239
how the doctor reacted while trying they were trying to

1033
01:02:22.360 --> 01:02:28.159
land the shuttle, and how the doctor was trying to

1034
01:02:28.199 --> 01:02:30.440
make it I guess, sort of small talk with the

1035
01:02:31.519 --> 01:02:35.159
security team while trying to land. So we get a

1036
01:02:35.199 --> 01:02:39.239
little bit of the doctor humor in there, which is

1037
01:02:39.320 --> 01:02:45.800
why we get that co op covert operative, and everybody

1038
01:02:45.800 --> 01:02:49.400
else's kind of covered most of what's in there. I

1039
01:02:49.559 --> 01:02:54.400
will discuss how can it fency you do this? Well,

1040
01:02:54.519 --> 01:02:58.559
that's one of my keynotes in the next two episodes.

1041
01:02:59.320 --> 01:03:03.000
I think she says, well.

1042
01:03:03.000 --> 01:03:05.960
You know, I was gonna say, Charles. One of the

1043
01:03:06.000 --> 01:03:07.960
other things we didn't talk about in this episode was

1044
01:03:08.159 --> 01:03:10.079
just what it was like to have an episode where

1045
01:03:10.119 --> 01:03:13.800
Wesley didn't have his powers at all. Yeah, like the

1046
01:03:13.840 --> 01:03:14.639
whole episode.

1047
01:03:16.199 --> 01:03:18.360
Yeah well I yeah, Well.

1048
01:03:18.880 --> 01:03:23.960
When he talks about the previous episode that I don't

1049
01:03:24.039 --> 01:03:28.320
know what's going to happen and repeats the story now

1050
01:03:28.360 --> 01:03:31.639
where it's like, Okay, I don't know what's going on,

1051
01:03:31.840 --> 01:03:35.360
there is no plan, It's like, I like, I like

1052
01:03:35.480 --> 01:03:41.280
that Wesley in this episode, Wesley's in the dark. I

1053
01:03:41.599 --> 01:03:46.559
like that, Well I could do this, And Janeway looked

1054
01:03:46.559 --> 01:03:51.199
at him, it's like you were a promising all promising

1055
01:03:51.400 --> 01:03:54.519
officer back in your time.

1056
01:03:56.079 --> 01:03:56.840
And that.

1057
01:03:58.400 --> 01:04:02.239
Okay, and he comes up with an idea. I love

1058
01:04:02.559 --> 01:04:06.840
Jane Way's idea of well how about we blast the

1059
01:04:06.960 --> 01:04:13.559
door by rewiring my combadge. That's definitely a creativity part

1060
01:04:13.719 --> 01:04:14.079
with her.

1061
01:04:15.599 --> 01:04:16.599
But she boosts up.

1062
01:04:16.599 --> 01:04:22.159
Wesley, trying to get Wesley into the now, which brings

1063
01:04:22.239 --> 01:04:28.840
up some interesting character development for him. I think with that,

1064
01:04:35.760 --> 01:04:37.679
I think that's going to bump my score up a bit.

1065
01:04:38.039 --> 01:04:40.679
Thank you, Eric, I think I'll go with an eight

1066
01:04:40.800 --> 01:04:44.119
point four seven point nine.

1067
01:04:44.199 --> 01:04:45.079
For this episode.

1068
01:04:45.559 --> 01:04:51.920
Just a smidgeon higher, figeon higher, just a smidgeon, all right,

1069
01:04:52.000 --> 01:04:58.400
we'll thank Our last episode is our Oboros Parts one

1070
01:04:58.639 --> 01:05:03.280
and two, which is Jim the season finale, correct, correct,

1071
01:05:03.559 --> 01:05:07.199
it is the season So our.

1072
01:05:08.679 --> 01:05:12.480
Our fans went bonkers on this one, you guys. So

1073
01:05:12.960 --> 01:05:17.320
our fans gave the last two episodes of this season

1074
01:05:17.440 --> 01:05:22.199
a combined score of nine point four. And I will

1075
01:05:22.280 --> 01:05:25.760
say that nine point four is the second highest score

1076
01:05:25.800 --> 01:05:30.719
of any episode this season. It ties episode four, uh,

1077
01:05:30.920 --> 01:05:35.480
and it is only point one behind the season opener

1078
01:05:35.599 --> 01:05:38.519
and the third episode.

1079
01:05:38.559 --> 01:05:38.719
There.

1080
01:05:38.800 --> 01:05:41.400
People just really liked how season two.

1081
01:05:41.400 --> 01:05:41.920
Opened, but.

1082
01:05:43.440 --> 01:05:46.840
Tie episode four. Episode four was a nine point seven,

1083
01:05:47.519 --> 01:05:49.079
we gave it a nine point four.

1084
01:05:49.880 --> 01:05:50.960
Oh sure, there you go.

1085
01:05:51.239 --> 01:05:52.880
Okay, so so there you go.

1086
01:05:53.280 --> 01:05:54.320
So but it's right up there.

1087
01:05:54.480 --> 01:05:59.199
Nine point four is third most popular episode there it is?

1088
01:06:00.159 --> 01:06:02.440
Is this a nine point four for both episode or

1089
01:06:02.599 --> 01:06:03.599
that splitting the half to.

1090
01:06:03.719 --> 01:06:03.920
Like that.

1091
01:06:06.320 --> 01:06:09.119
As one, which is actually how we're going to give

1092
01:06:09.519 --> 01:06:14.800
our scores as well. So we should probably start with

1093
01:06:15.079 --> 01:06:19.360
the old summary hit it, Paul recap.

1094
01:06:19.920 --> 01:06:21.880
All right, let's get into it, and there's a lot

1095
01:06:21.960 --> 01:06:24.119
to talk about, so we'll just go right through. So,

1096
01:06:24.360 --> 01:06:28.320
first of all, let's educate the universe here or boros basically,

1097
01:06:28.920 --> 01:06:31.400
in case you forgot, it's an ancient symbol and it

1098
01:06:31.519 --> 01:06:35.880
depicts a snake or sometimes a dragon eating its own tail.

1099
01:06:36.280 --> 01:06:36.559
Okay.

1100
01:06:36.719 --> 01:06:41.079
It originated in the ancient Egyptian and Greek iconography and

1101
01:06:41.360 --> 01:06:45.480
the ideas. It's representing the internal psycholope, destruction and rebirth,

1102
01:06:46.039 --> 01:06:48.800
the idea that things never really disappear, but instead they

1103
01:06:48.960 --> 01:06:54.760
change form, and it can represents the chaos it surrounds

1104
01:06:54.880 --> 01:06:59.719
an ideally structured world and rejuvenation. I think it's important

1105
01:06:59.719 --> 01:07:02.800
to keep that meaning in mind, especially as we talk

1106
01:07:02.840 --> 01:07:06.800
about how this episode wraps itself up. So we begin

1107
01:07:07.920 --> 01:07:13.440
our good pal a super stable villainous Essensia is very

1108
01:07:13.559 --> 01:07:18.599
upset because the city is uprising against us. They actually

1109
01:07:18.760 --> 01:07:21.960
like where where? Yeah, they have the semerity. It's a

1110
01:07:22.039 --> 01:07:24.519
demand that they'd be peace with Starfleet.

1111
01:07:24.199 --> 01:07:24.400
You know.

1112
01:07:25.480 --> 01:07:30.000
So, and she just decides she's again she's chewing the

1113
01:07:30.039 --> 01:07:32.239
scenery like this note tomorrow. She wants to open up

1114
01:07:32.280 --> 01:07:35.039
a bunch of different wormholes, right, and that's how she's

1115
01:07:35.079 --> 01:07:37.400
going to do it, right, But the risk is that

1116
01:07:37.480 --> 01:07:39.800
it's going to tear apart the fabric of all subspace.

1117
01:07:40.559 --> 01:07:43.719
And then she's like, you know, getting into her scenery

1118
01:07:43.800 --> 01:07:47.000
chewing villainous mode. Here she says the enemies can join

1119
01:07:47.079 --> 01:07:54.079
the Federation. It is then commer places though Janeway is

1120
01:07:54.119 --> 01:07:56.639
detecting all of these subspace rifts and that they all

1121
01:07:56.800 --> 01:08:01.400
lead to numerous star bases. Okay, and somewhat oddly, Wesley

1122
01:08:01.639 --> 01:08:04.039
is not happy about this, right. He says, this is

1123
01:08:04.119 --> 01:08:05.880
their chance to close the time. You can get the

1124
01:08:05.920 --> 01:08:08.719
protostar back to tars Lamora and fix their dying timeline.

1125
01:08:09.639 --> 01:08:13.320
And Rock says, wait a second, they can use the

1126
01:08:13.480 --> 01:08:16.239
rifts the sinse he have created to merge their energy

1127
01:08:16.319 --> 01:08:19.199
and make a temporal wormhole and it would stop her invasion.

1128
01:08:19.319 --> 01:08:23.359
They can sendorship to the past. Word belongs. Wow, there's

1129
01:08:23.359 --> 01:08:25.279
a lot of this, right, I mean, it's just and

1130
01:08:25.439 --> 01:08:28.239
if you're following now, good for you. Okay, that's great,

1131
01:08:28.279 --> 01:08:31.640
but there is none of the rest of us are Yeah,

1132
01:08:31.640 --> 01:08:32.560
because take about.

1133
01:08:32.399 --> 01:08:35.399
Seven or eight temple mechanic one on one.

1134
01:08:36.199 --> 01:08:39.399
Yeah, man, I read the cliff Notes version, dude, So

1135
01:08:40.000 --> 01:08:43.600
it it is like, you know, twelve Doctor Who episodes

1136
01:08:43.640 --> 01:08:45.680
thrown into a blender with a bunch of acid. Really

1137
01:08:45.800 --> 01:08:49.840
is what's going on here? Right? And so uh again,

1138
01:08:50.199 --> 01:08:53.199
the idea is that this plan that uh Wesley is

1139
01:08:53.279 --> 01:08:56.199
surprisingly on board with, right, and that Rock has sort

1140
01:08:56.239 --> 01:08:58.399
of re explained for us about how we could do

1141
01:08:58.479 --> 01:09:01.319
it right. This is basically how we can set things

1142
01:09:01.399 --> 01:09:04.479
right in common parlance. Right. The only risk is that

1143
01:09:05.279 --> 01:09:08.359
if things aren't timed precisely exactly the way they should be,

1144
01:09:08.479 --> 01:09:11.239
it would be basically like in Wesley's words, ringing the

1145
01:09:11.279 --> 01:09:12.439
dinner bell for the loom.

1146
01:09:12.960 --> 01:09:13.079
Right.

1147
01:09:13.760 --> 01:09:18.399
So, Chacote takes his cadet team to the Protostart preppit

1148
01:09:18.479 --> 01:09:21.560
for it what will be its final voyage, and as

1149
01:09:21.680 --> 01:09:24.119
Janeway reminds us to keep history intact, the ship must

1150
01:09:24.159 --> 01:09:29.520
be exactly as it was, exactly as it was when

1151
01:09:29.560 --> 01:09:33.279
they was originally found on Tarz Lamora. So Doll and

1152
01:09:33.359 --> 01:09:36.880
Gwyn beam down with the team, and Gwen is feeling

1153
01:09:36.880 --> 01:09:39.239
a little shaky due to what's happening with space time,

1154
01:09:39.319 --> 01:09:42.119
so she's not in the most stable condition there. But

1155
01:09:42.279 --> 01:09:44.039
they need to be able to get all the way

1156
01:09:44.079 --> 01:09:46.439
up to a Sensia's research buyer to do what they

1157
01:09:46.520 --> 01:09:51.880
need to do. So Janeway is attacking all of Asensia's

1158
01:09:52.000 --> 01:09:55.960
orbital devices with a whole you know, felanx of quantum torpedoes.

1159
01:09:56.079 --> 01:09:56.239
Right.

1160
01:09:56.880 --> 01:09:59.319
Meanwhile, Gwen and the gang need to climb up the

1161
01:09:59.399 --> 01:10:01.920
equivalent of like twenty stories to get up to a

1162
01:10:02.000 --> 01:10:03.399
Sensius control nexus.

1163
01:10:03.800 --> 01:10:03.920
Right.

1164
01:10:04.039 --> 01:10:05.239
This is where they have to be able to put

1165
01:10:05.279 --> 01:10:07.479
in their information to do what they need to do.

1166
01:10:08.159 --> 01:10:10.880
And then there's a really poignant little scene I found

1167
01:10:10.960 --> 01:10:13.960
that I really like quite a bit between Hollo, Janeway

1168
01:10:14.000 --> 01:10:15.840
and Chakota where they're kind of having a little like

1169
01:10:16.199 --> 01:10:21.560
almost lover's quarrel, right, and as Janeway the hologram version

1170
01:10:21.600 --> 01:10:23.640
of January realizing if they do what they need to do,

1171
01:10:23.920 --> 01:10:26.960
she's basically likely to cease to exist, and I thought

1172
01:10:27.039 --> 01:10:29.000
that was a great moment in this first episode. That

1173
01:10:29.079 --> 01:10:32.359
was one of my favorite scenes. Like you were saying before, Holo,

1174
01:10:32.479 --> 01:10:34.880
Janeway is just the bomb. I just think she's great.

1175
01:10:35.000 --> 01:10:39.680
And the scenes with these two actors I just found

1176
01:10:39.960 --> 01:10:42.399
delightful throughout the entire series. So the more of them

1177
01:10:42.439 --> 01:10:45.479
I can get in this finale, the happier I'm going

1178
01:10:45.560 --> 01:10:50.960
to be. And then there comes what, to me is

1179
01:10:51.039 --> 01:10:53.920
the most super complicated recap of all the various different dates,

1180
01:10:54.000 --> 01:10:55.840
the various different you know, versions.

1181
01:10:55.560 --> 01:10:57.319
Of all the shit all right there.

1182
01:10:57.399 --> 01:11:00.279
Though, I mean it was complicated, but it was like, Okay, okay,

1183
01:11:00.640 --> 01:11:02.399
if I just listen to this, I'm gonna get it all.

1184
01:11:02.760 --> 01:11:04.880
Yeah, but it's like playing backgammon on top of the

1185
01:11:04.960 --> 01:11:09.199
movie train. Dude, Hey, that can be done if you

1186
01:11:09.279 --> 01:11:11.520
have a cloaking field. It was like, oh my god.

1187
01:11:11.600 --> 01:11:13.159
It was just like into this happened to this, and

1188
01:11:13.199 --> 01:11:15.760
I'm just listening all the different days, and I was like,

1189
01:11:16.119 --> 01:11:18.199
I felt like I was getting a glimpse at the

1190
01:11:18.239 --> 01:11:22.880
writer's room, you know, dry erase boards for a minute there, Like, Paul,

1191
01:11:23.279 --> 01:11:25.359
just what you guys got all caught up in, right,

1192
01:11:25.560 --> 01:11:27.560
and instead when what you really wanted to do was

1193
01:11:27.640 --> 01:11:29.359
more more Jane Way scenes? Please?

1194
01:11:30.000 --> 01:11:31.640
I just have a quick question for you, Paul. Do

1195
01:11:31.720 --> 01:11:34.560
you watch the movie or the show with shub titles

1196
01:11:34.600 --> 01:11:34.800
at all?

1197
01:11:36.199 --> 01:11:36.399
I do?

1198
01:11:36.760 --> 01:11:37.239
Yeah, I do.

1199
01:11:38.039 --> 01:11:40.600
Okay, yeah, I was just carding because they were all

1200
01:11:40.680 --> 01:11:43.119
written right there. I was like, okay, no, I do.

1201
01:11:43.279 --> 01:11:44.680
But it's just it's a lot, and it's just.

1202
01:11:47.359 --> 01:11:50.039
Does that count as exposition when they sort of like

1203
01:11:50.239 --> 01:11:53.640
just spend you know, three minutes just like explaining crap.

1204
01:11:53.840 --> 01:11:56.560
It kind of does? Really? I mean, you know they're

1205
01:11:56.600 --> 01:11:58.600
doing it. I don't know how necessary it all was

1206
01:11:58.720 --> 01:12:01.279
in this case either. I mean, it's it's like because

1207
01:12:01.319 --> 01:12:04.680
it's like, I mean, I watched subtitles a lot just

1208
01:12:04.720 --> 01:12:07.640
because it helps me. I think, you know, see how

1209
01:12:07.680 --> 01:12:09.640
the dialogue structured. I really enjoyed it. I do it

1210
01:12:09.760 --> 01:12:13.920
with a lot of shows, right, But but to me,

1211
01:12:14.039 --> 01:12:19.079
it's just like after that's over, right, is anyone gonna

1212
01:12:19.079 --> 01:12:20.920
remember it? I'm not going to remember all those dates. No,

1213
01:12:21.079 --> 01:12:23.439
So I would say that a lot of times. It's

1214
01:12:23.479 --> 01:12:25.760
like if somebody's gonna forget it, you know, twenty five

1215
01:12:25.880 --> 01:12:28.399
thirty seconds after that's been shown on screen? Was it

1216
01:12:28.479 --> 01:12:30.520
really necessary? Right?

1217
01:12:30.640 --> 01:12:31.000
I don't know.

1218
01:12:31.199 --> 01:12:33.279
So it's just something, but it was just really funny.

1219
01:12:33.319 --> 01:12:35.520
I myself laughing during that montage.

1220
01:12:35.680 --> 01:12:39.039
Can I just say that, like the one I guess

1221
01:12:39.239 --> 01:12:42.600
exception to that, Paul, is that when you are weirdly

1222
01:12:42.760 --> 01:12:46.119
idiosyncratic about dates and stuff like that, what it does

1223
01:12:46.520 --> 01:12:49.319
is it opens the door for future writers to come

1224
01:12:49.359 --> 01:12:51.279
in and plug in some weird shit that like fits

1225
01:12:51.319 --> 01:12:52.000
into that. Right.

1226
01:12:52.119 --> 01:12:55.079
Oh, truly, truly, truly, But it was a big recap

1227
01:12:55.119 --> 01:12:58.079
and there were a lot of dates there were, So

1228
01:12:58.279 --> 01:13:02.279
that's my that's my jumping off by right. But what's

1229
01:13:02.319 --> 01:13:05.560
great is all that confusion led to an idea to

1230
01:13:05.640 --> 01:13:07.840
do something with the plot, right, because there don't hung

1231
01:13:07.920 --> 01:13:10.279
up on the whole idea that you know, Chacote has

1232
01:13:10.319 --> 01:13:13.880
to send the protostar right, and Rock's like way the

1233
01:13:14.079 --> 01:13:17.600
second because she's young and she has cool fresh ideas. Right,

1234
01:13:17.680 --> 01:13:21.600
what if instead of sending Chakota sending the protostar, we

1235
01:13:21.920 --> 01:13:25.520
do it right? And then they're like, so long as

1236
01:13:25.560 --> 01:13:28.960
the final destination is the same that it's tars Lemora,

1237
01:13:29.880 --> 01:13:32.960
and so long as the protostar shows up exactly the

1238
01:13:33.000 --> 01:13:36.520
way it was originally, how it gets there maybe shouldn't matter.

1239
01:13:36.640 --> 01:13:39.319
And it's a pretty cool theory, right, and it's the

1240
01:13:39.399 --> 01:13:42.720
theory that everyone kind of runs with, right, and so

1241
01:13:42.920 --> 01:13:46.000
that's kind of their game plan. Meanwhile, back on the planet,

1242
01:13:46.119 --> 01:13:47.960
darje And and Pog and all the others are climbing

1243
01:13:48.039 --> 01:13:50.600
up to the top, but a sense the top, excuse me,

1244
01:13:50.920 --> 01:13:54.920
but Essensias shoots at them, right, and the device and

1245
01:13:55.039 --> 01:13:57.239
the console they were supposed to be able to use

1246
01:13:57.399 --> 01:13:59.800
to put in the coordinates to make everything work correctly

1247
01:13:59.880 --> 01:14:03.640
is destroyed. So now they've got to climb up even

1248
01:14:03.840 --> 01:14:06.960
further to all of the transceivers up on the top

1249
01:14:07.039 --> 01:14:10.920
of the research spire of Asensia to manually enter the coordinates.

1250
01:14:10.960 --> 01:14:15.039
That's zero found exhausting. So while that's happening there, and

1251
01:14:15.079 --> 01:14:18.079
there's this big, you know, kind of climactic climb in

1252
01:14:18.079 --> 01:14:22.159
the tower moment, right, gwyn bravely says that she's going

1253
01:14:22.239 --> 01:14:25.119
to face off again with Essensia, right, which is cool.

1254
01:14:25.239 --> 01:14:28.600
So this leads to another great, big fight between Gwynn

1255
01:14:28.640 --> 01:14:31.960
and Essensia. And Gwynn always seemed outmatched, right, but she's

1256
01:14:32.039 --> 01:14:35.119
very courageous and Essensia's got both of the artifacts right

1257
01:14:35.159 --> 01:14:37.800
that she's using as her beard, you know, her big

1258
01:14:38.159 --> 01:14:41.920
edged weapon to try to kill Gwynn. It's very dramatic, right,

1259
01:14:41.960 --> 01:14:44.680
And then if things weren't bad enough, up their way,

1260
01:14:44.800 --> 01:14:48.159
way way up near the top of the transceivers where

1261
01:14:48.159 --> 01:14:50.239
the cordinates have to go in, right, there is a

1262
01:14:50.359 --> 01:14:54.279
loose cable. It's preventing everything from working, and it's flying

1263
01:14:54.359 --> 01:14:58.720
around like an electrical line in a you know, hurricane,

1264
01:14:59.239 --> 01:15:01.600
causing all this problem and a lot of danger from

1265
01:15:01.640 --> 01:15:02.479
temporal energy.

1266
01:15:02.600 --> 01:15:02.720
Right.

1267
01:15:02.760 --> 01:15:07.199
If you get hit by that thing, you're basically you know, toast. Uh. So,

1268
01:15:08.159 --> 01:15:10.039
Doll decides he's got to climb up there and try

1269
01:15:10.079 --> 01:15:13.840
to reconnect that cable. And meanwhile Murph is fighting off

1270
01:15:14.239 --> 01:15:17.199
Dreadnock robot monsters. That's going on here. I mean, it's

1271
01:15:17.760 --> 01:15:21.680
a lot of stuff happens very Bruce Willis action movie

1272
01:15:21.800 --> 01:15:22.479
eighties style.

1273
01:15:22.640 --> 01:15:22.760
Right.

1274
01:15:23.760 --> 01:15:27.399
Murph throws himself at Dreadnock and they fall, and but

1275
01:15:27.560 --> 01:15:29.920
basically Murph lives and is able to bring up the

1276
01:15:30.000 --> 01:15:34.760
Dreadnock skull as like a trophy. Doll connects the cable

1277
01:15:34.840 --> 01:15:38.239
and reattaches it, but falls in the process. But of course,

1278
01:15:38.399 --> 01:15:41.880
because he's just really super rubbery and really conveniently wherever

1279
01:15:41.960 --> 01:15:44.680
he's needed to be, guess what, Murph grabs him and

1280
01:15:44.760 --> 01:15:50.159
prevents so that you are really handy. You are. You

1281
01:15:50.239 --> 01:15:52.680
are a utility belt guy. You never failed to let

1282
01:15:52.760 --> 01:15:57.760
us down. So that's great. So the Cables restored, Gwinn's

1283
01:15:57.840 --> 01:16:01.800
father and the other citizens all band together at this

1284
01:16:02.000 --> 01:16:05.399
point and show up conveniently to send Gwynn there I will,

1285
01:16:06.399 --> 01:16:07.800
which is really kind of a cool scene.

1286
01:16:07.840 --> 01:16:08.199
I like this.

1287
01:16:08.439 --> 01:16:10.680
Basically they're sending this kind of like the energy of

1288
01:16:10.720 --> 01:16:13.760
their souls in a very powerful thing to kind of

1289
01:16:14.000 --> 01:16:19.119
help Gwynn push back against Essensia and saving her from

1290
01:16:19.199 --> 01:16:22.720
being stabbed. And Gwynn not only reclaims the artifact, but

1291
01:16:22.880 --> 01:16:26.399
she becomes momentarily kind of super powered, which is really cool,

1292
01:16:26.640 --> 01:16:30.000
and she gets all this super energy, very comic book style.

1293
01:16:30.119 --> 01:16:33.600
It's really cool. She's getting all this support and an

1294
01:16:33.680 --> 01:16:36.039
extra energy from not only her father, but from like

1295
01:16:36.119 --> 01:16:39.800
all of the other citizenry, who are basically saying, you know, sorry, Essensia.

1296
01:16:40.479 --> 01:16:44.319
Like all tyrants, you must be defeated. Yes, I'm looking

1297
01:16:44.399 --> 01:16:49.079
at you. First week of November. Like all tyrants, you

1298
01:16:49.279 --> 01:16:52.760
must be defeated, no matter who the hell you think

1299
01:16:52.760 --> 01:16:56.960
you are. So the Cadet team returns up to the protostar.

1300
01:16:58.199 --> 01:17:03.319
But then, oh, Wesley's all worried again. Whenever Wesley's worried,

1301
01:17:03.319 --> 01:17:04.880
you know you have a problem. Is a signal coming

1302
01:17:04.920 --> 01:17:08.199
in from the wormhole because guess what, earlier than we expected,

1303
01:17:08.960 --> 01:17:13.319
here come the Loom. Oh my god. And that's how

1304
01:17:13.399 --> 01:17:15.439
part one ends. So should we just jump right into

1305
01:17:15.479 --> 01:17:18.920
part two? Yeah, so we're back now on sol I mean, yes,

1306
01:17:19.039 --> 01:17:22.520
the Loom are coming, and totally surprisingly out of character

1307
01:17:22.600 --> 01:17:25.479
for her, Essensi has a moment of recrimination what have

1308
01:17:25.600 --> 01:17:28.760
I done? Right? Where she's like, you know, having actual

1309
01:17:28.840 --> 01:17:34.279
regret for her actions. Right, and Jane Way becomes badass Janeway, Right,

1310
01:17:34.439 --> 01:17:37.520
she's great. Gwynn beams backup to Voyagers just in time,

1311
01:17:37.680 --> 01:17:41.239
and Jane Way raises the shields and they realize what

1312
01:17:41.279 --> 01:17:43.640
they got to do. They got to send a protostar

1313
01:17:43.760 --> 01:17:46.960
through the swarm infested. When I say swarm, I mean

1314
01:17:47.079 --> 01:17:50.680
the Loom swarm, swarm infested wormhole, right, And Jakote says,

1315
01:17:50.720 --> 01:17:52.600
I'll do it, I'll pilot it, and we're you know,

1316
01:17:52.760 --> 01:17:54.239
being set up to think that he's going to make

1317
01:17:54.640 --> 01:17:57.680
a self sacrifice moment, but no, the entire team of

1318
01:17:57.720 --> 01:17:59.239
cadets wants to go with him and then they can

1319
01:17:59.279 --> 01:18:01.399
all beam out of the last minute. That's the plan.

1320
01:18:01.920 --> 01:18:04.279
So they go in right, and they are flying past

1321
01:18:04.359 --> 01:18:08.439
the loom, shields up, firing faces like crazy, and wow,

1322
01:18:08.560 --> 01:18:10.880
there are a lot of loom, just a ton of

1323
01:18:10.920 --> 01:18:13.760
them right, just coming out of there, like freaking New

1324
01:18:13.840 --> 01:18:16.720
York cockroaches out of a you know, a you know,

1325
01:18:17.800 --> 01:18:20.279
a kitchen retaining wall. It's nuts.

1326
01:18:20.640 --> 01:18:21.560
So they're approaching the.

1327
01:18:21.560 --> 01:18:26.680
Wormhole threshold right. And as this is happening, Dallas talking

1328
01:18:26.720 --> 01:18:30.039
to Wesley, and Wesley explains that the reason the universe

1329
01:18:30.159 --> 01:18:32.479
needs them altogether hasn't happened.

1330
01:18:32.239 --> 01:18:34.399
Yet, what foreshadowing?

1331
01:18:34.800 --> 01:18:37.520
And he says there are things yet to come, wondrous

1332
01:18:37.560 --> 01:18:40.479
and terrible things, but that we'll have to wait and see.

1333
01:18:40.920 --> 01:18:43.640
And things are really crazy, and but but how do

1334
01:18:43.760 --> 01:18:47.239
we navigate and how we get through that wormhole threshold? Well,

1335
01:18:47.359 --> 01:18:48.720
you know what, it turns out, we're gonna have to

1336
01:18:48.760 --> 01:18:50.600
make calder O a good friend down in cetace Ops

1337
01:18:50.600 --> 01:18:52.319
and they're gonna help us navigate this. And again, I

1338
01:18:52.399 --> 01:18:54.039
have the whole concept when I'm looking at the ship

1339
01:18:54.079 --> 01:18:55.920
and the outside, I'm like, where is the spot big

1340
01:18:56.039 --> 01:18:59.000
enough inside it? Where these whales are being kept because

1341
01:18:59.000 --> 01:19:01.319
it's like the tired. To me, I'm like, this seems

1342
01:19:01.359 --> 01:19:03.880
like there would be a giant It's like, how do

1343
01:19:03.920 --> 01:19:06.159
I have an Olympic sized swimming pool in my phone booth.

1344
01:19:06.279 --> 01:19:08.680
I don't quite understand where this giant.

1345
01:19:08.399 --> 01:19:11.119
Whale is being I'll send you a section map.

1346
01:19:11.960 --> 01:19:13.800
Well, it must be a really big ship. It must

1347
01:19:13.880 --> 01:19:15.560
look a lot bigger than it does. It must be

1348
01:19:15.600 --> 01:19:16.760
a lot bigger than it looks.

1349
01:19:17.239 --> 01:19:21.279
Well, the activities that are Voyager, Remember, Paul, this Voyager

1350
01:19:22.000 --> 01:19:25.520
has a crew of like eight hundred people I think,

1351
01:19:25.720 --> 01:19:28.560
and the original Voyager had a crew of like one

1352
01:19:28.680 --> 01:19:30.880
hundred and fifty people or like one hundred and eighty

1353
01:19:30.880 --> 01:19:33.880
people or something like that. So this Voyager is significantly

1354
01:19:34.279 --> 01:19:37.640
It's not like Enterprise d big, but it's it's good

1355
01:19:37.720 --> 01:19:38.199
size ship.

1356
01:19:38.960 --> 01:19:40.199
I still don't see where it would be.

1357
01:19:40.239 --> 01:19:41.880
I mean, no, no, it's kind of cruel to the whale,

1358
01:19:42.199 --> 01:19:45.399
just like Purble with shafts that we saw on Discovery.

1359
01:19:46.720 --> 01:19:52.079
Never heard that again Discovery roller coaster exactly. That was

1360
01:19:52.119 --> 01:19:54.000
another thing. It was just like, how where the hell

1361
01:19:54.119 --> 01:19:57.720
is this? It's like technology the size of like Detroit,

1362
01:19:57.920 --> 01:20:00.479
and where the terrible lift is it's just not anyhow,

1363
01:20:00.600 --> 01:20:04.239
moving on the protostars in the wormhole and they see

1364
01:20:04.279 --> 01:20:08.239
these cool temporal echoes as the timeline is beginning to regenerate. Right,

1365
01:20:08.960 --> 01:20:13.439
and wonderful moment again we find out that holographic Janeway

1366
01:20:13.520 --> 01:20:17.439
has been copied into the EMH backup module. Yeah, that's

1367
01:20:17.479 --> 01:20:20.439
the second chance she's gonna make it. She's gonna be saved,

1368
01:20:20.479 --> 01:20:23.640
which is actually another really great moment because I was

1369
01:20:23.720 --> 01:20:26.560
really feeling pretty bittersweet about the idea of losing that character.

1370
01:20:26.680 --> 01:20:28.520
You couldn't kill her off. I mean, for the kids,

1371
01:20:28.560 --> 01:20:29.479
you couldn't kill her off.

1372
01:20:29.640 --> 01:20:34.840
Right. It's bad enough that our good friends at Playmates

1373
01:20:35.039 --> 01:20:38.960
Toys advertised that there would be a holographic Janeway figure

1374
01:20:39.039 --> 01:20:41.439
for like what three years, and then rolled out at

1375
01:20:41.439 --> 01:20:44.760
the last minute never produced it. So Holographic Janeway could

1376
01:20:44.760 --> 01:20:46.279
have took one on the chin that way thanks to

1377
01:20:46.399 --> 01:20:49.439
Playmates never fucking ponying up. So if she would have

1378
01:20:49.520 --> 01:20:53.199
gotten you know, xed out in this universe here as well,

1379
01:20:53.279 --> 01:20:56.039
and the dramatic units that are very upset. And I

1380
01:20:56.159 --> 01:20:57.960
know that Aaron Walkey would agree with me, because I

1381
01:20:58.039 --> 01:21:01.840
know we are both with like incomplete figure sets thanks

1382
01:21:01.880 --> 01:21:07.239
to playmates. Thanks guys, Sorry, had to get that out.

1383
01:21:07.800 --> 01:21:09.560
Never hold it in, guys, you have to let it out,

1384
01:21:10.079 --> 01:21:12.560
all right, we do, so Jane Way is going to

1385
01:21:12.600 --> 01:21:14.880
be okay, holographic Geenway. Now the team is preparing to

1386
01:21:14.920 --> 01:21:17.760
beam out of the Protostar, but Dal hesitates before he leaves,

1387
01:21:18.159 --> 01:21:20.720
and he remembers something and he takes off his com

1388
01:21:20.800 --> 01:21:24.079
badge and he puts it on the captain's share yeap

1389
01:21:24.439 --> 01:21:26.760
where it should be, and says, now we're ready, and

1390
01:21:26.840 --> 01:21:29.319
then the team backs beams out all the way back

1391
01:21:29.359 --> 01:21:32.720
to Voyager as the Protostar returns to tars Lemora with

1392
01:21:32.920 --> 01:21:37.079
what I thought was a really cool and beautifully edited

1393
01:21:37.479 --> 01:21:40.880
memory montage of all the highlights from everything that's come previously.

1394
01:21:41.039 --> 01:21:43.479
I thought it was really well done. It felt very dreamlike,

1395
01:21:43.640 --> 01:21:46.920
kind of like one of those you know, your life

1396
01:21:46.960 --> 01:21:48.960
flashing before your eyes kind of thing as they as

1397
01:21:49.000 --> 01:21:50.279
they put out, and I thought it was really well

1398
01:21:50.319 --> 01:21:52.840
done and really visual with some great moments and just

1399
01:21:52.880 --> 01:21:56.439
reminds you what a you know what initially got you know,

1400
01:21:56.600 --> 01:21:58.760
pigeonholed as being a kid show was so much more

1401
01:21:59.039 --> 01:22:04.279
and it was a visually complex shows, just tremendous uh position,

1402
01:22:05.159 --> 01:22:08.760
visual effects, and production design all the way through. This

1403
01:22:08.880 --> 01:22:12.640
is one of the greatest visual uh landscapes I think

1404
01:22:12.680 --> 01:22:14.399
in all of Star Trek. I just love the way

1405
01:22:14.479 --> 01:22:16.720
this show looks. I love the character design. I love

1406
01:22:16.760 --> 01:22:19.680
the way like things like the guards and the citizenry

1407
01:22:19.920 --> 01:22:22.760
and the rulers of tars Lamora looked are just incredible,

1408
01:22:23.000 --> 01:22:26.279
interesting designs, really baroke and cool, and you really get

1409
01:22:26.279 --> 01:22:27.880
a lot of them in this Highlights of mynage there.

1410
01:22:28.039 --> 01:22:35.239
So we see past uh Doll and Rock uh looking

1411
01:22:35.319 --> 01:22:37.600
into their you know, the original let's just call it

1412
01:22:37.720 --> 01:22:40.840
the past versions of them, because we're looking into the old,

1413
01:22:40.920 --> 01:22:43.279
original history of them. When Doll and Rock find the

1414
01:22:43.359 --> 01:22:46.960
ship at the way they originally did, all temporal incursions

1415
01:22:47.000 --> 01:22:50.920
are gone, the time loop is gone. History has been saved.

1416
01:22:51.640 --> 01:22:56.119
Gwynn's armband does a little stabilization, you know, tingle, and

1417
01:22:56.279 --> 01:22:59.319
she does too, and so she's stabilized as well. This

1418
01:22:59.399 --> 01:23:01.520
whole idea of gwyn was going to be lost because

1419
01:23:01.520 --> 01:23:05.079
of the instability. The time loop has been resolved. She's

1420
01:23:05.119 --> 01:23:08.680
going to be okay, which is very cool. And anybody

1421
01:23:08.680 --> 01:23:12.119
who's a Voyager fan knows that very often you'll get

1422
01:23:12.239 --> 01:23:14.720
a log entry from Janeway that is full of great

1423
01:23:14.760 --> 01:23:17.279
wisdom right where she's sort of, you know, assessing what

1424
01:23:17.439 --> 01:23:22.039
happened and you know, leaving out a nice lesson which

1425
01:23:22.479 --> 01:23:24.840
has been happened a lot in this show, and it's

1426
01:23:24.880 --> 01:23:27.720
really done well. But I love this one line that

1427
01:23:27.840 --> 01:23:31.239
she said, she goes, we grow from what we leave

1428
01:23:31.359 --> 01:23:34.760
behind as we reach for what lies ahead. And I

1429
01:23:34.840 --> 01:23:37.920
thought that was a great Janeway moment and really applied

1430
01:23:37.960 --> 01:23:41.119
to this young crew of Cadets, So coop super cool,

1431
01:23:41.720 --> 01:23:44.840
little east Ragg moment. While he's still got a free minute,

1432
01:23:44.920 --> 01:23:48.000
Wesley goes back and visits his mom. He's Beverly there,

1433
01:23:48.199 --> 01:23:50.760
a very unusually rendered Beverly crusher. I have to say,

1434
01:23:50.800 --> 01:23:54.319
she looks very strange, like she's had. You know, I

1435
01:23:54.319 --> 01:23:57.640
don't understand she does not look like Gates McFadden to

1436
01:23:57.760 --> 01:24:00.840
me at all. I mean, Gates mcadd is way levelier

1437
01:24:00.880 --> 01:24:03.680
than that. And there's an off camera meeting his brother,

1438
01:24:03.800 --> 01:24:06.319
meeting his brother, who I'm assuming is who we met

1439
01:24:06.479 --> 01:24:08.880
in that last Picard season, right.

1440
01:24:08.920 --> 01:24:15.199
Jane brother James Jack Jack Jack Krushaw Rushaw Jack.

1441
01:24:15.319 --> 01:24:16.119
What are you going to do?

1442
01:24:16.840 --> 01:24:20.359
I'm going to drinkle this gush and be surly, so

1443
01:24:20.560 --> 01:24:22.279
I guess that's who we're talking about there, And then

1444
01:24:22.279 --> 01:24:25.359
we briefly see Chacote showing up as Captain's the Voyager, right,

1445
01:24:25.439 --> 01:24:28.199
and Jane Ways decided to do early retirement, and I

1446
01:24:28.319 --> 01:24:33.680
was reminded of the series finale of Discovery, because apparently

1447
01:24:33.880 --> 01:24:36.319
if you are in Starfleet long enough, everybody gets to

1448
01:24:36.359 --> 01:24:39.439
retire to like the world's greatest freaking cabin ever. I know,

1449
01:24:39.760 --> 01:24:46.239
right all the time, this is Michael incredible houses out

1450
01:24:46.239 --> 01:24:48.760
in the forest. It's like, you know, it's only like

1451
01:24:48.840 --> 01:24:53.560
a bedroom house like Fi rooms, right, it's just astonishing away.

1452
01:24:53.560 --> 01:24:57.479
He's got something that's no lesson for Picard's chateau in France.

1453
01:24:58.000 --> 01:25:01.279
If good career move is start fleet cap like you

1454
01:25:01.399 --> 01:25:05.279
live through it, we crip. So Jane Waye is going

1455
01:25:05.319 --> 01:25:08.600
to retire early, right, And then we go back to

1456
01:25:08.640 --> 01:25:12.359
Starfleet Academy and uh, you know, no more temporal Mechanics

1457
01:25:12.439 --> 01:25:15.119
want you know, one on one because now Temporal Mechanics

1458
01:25:15.159 --> 01:25:18.079
two one, hor Horror and the Canet team are like

1459
01:25:18.159 --> 01:25:21.640
celebrities at the Academy and everything's kind of cool, and

1460
01:25:21.760 --> 01:25:25.720
we've got this nice kind of uh Shakespearean comedy vibe

1461
01:25:25.720 --> 01:25:28.800
as everyone's sort of re established, except all of a sudden,

1462
01:25:29.640 --> 01:25:33.760
everyone's a hard and there is a very unexpected news

1463
01:25:33.920 --> 01:25:39.079
flash dramatically interrupting everyone of an attack going on by

1464
01:25:39.239 --> 01:25:46.199
Synth ship, the rescue Mata on the Utopia ship, and

1465
01:25:46.319 --> 01:25:51.319
that in this apparently it has been rogues since twenty

1466
01:25:51.399 --> 01:25:58.319
thousands of the have been destroyed, so cadastraphic faster, UH

1467
01:25:58.960 --> 01:26:03.479
star Fleet and the Federation on the Plantia really out

1468
01:26:03.520 --> 01:26:06.520
of the blue. So apparently not everything with our closed

1469
01:26:06.560 --> 01:26:08.479
time loop ended the way that we thought it might.

1470
01:26:09.039 --> 01:26:11.600
All right, and we have to think back to what

1471
01:26:13.439 --> 01:26:17.079
UH Wesley said earlier in this episode when he was

1472
01:26:17.159 --> 01:26:19.439
talking about things yet to come. He said, wondrous and

1473
01:26:19.520 --> 01:26:22.800
able things we'll have to wait and see. So I

1474
01:26:23.000 --> 01:26:27.960
was this destruction here is from the Scinth is the

1475
01:26:28.119 --> 01:26:33.680
terrible thing? He was from the disc fleet. J Gardner

1476
01:26:34.119 --> 01:26:37.359
in front of her huge and Chakote comes visits her

1477
01:26:37.399 --> 01:26:40.119
and he tells them about the Scynth attack. All reserve

1478
01:26:40.239 --> 01:26:43.119
officers being called back, and then we're back at Starfleet

1479
01:26:43.159 --> 01:26:45.600
Academy and our Admiral Jellico is explaining that without the

1480
01:26:45.680 --> 01:26:49.039
since we've never really seen that much, that much, that

1481
01:26:49.319 --> 01:26:53.399
we're shorthanded and must cease all exploration activities and focus

1482
01:26:53.520 --> 01:26:57.600
only on the military protecting of planetary citizens. And therefore

1483
01:26:57.760 --> 01:27:01.199
all academy classes are suspended through right that we've had

1484
01:27:01.560 --> 01:27:07.600
pair of seasons this masters, and it's how all for nothing?

1485
01:27:07.720 --> 01:27:11.680
Is that? What it is? Painway orders to report yards

1486
01:27:12.279 --> 01:27:18.159
here we see the USS eight one zero eighty four

1487
01:27:18.680 --> 01:27:22.279
from the Environmental Protostar class. Right, Slee wanted to the

1488
01:27:22.840 --> 01:27:26.279
commission this experimental ship, but Kainway is decided she will

1489
01:27:26.319 --> 01:27:29.399
command it under a special pilot program, and that she

1490
01:27:29.560 --> 01:27:32.640
is giving all of these cadets on the team field

1491
01:27:32.680 --> 01:27:37.720
commissions at ensigns, and that this was why Wesley Crusher

1492
01:27:37.920 --> 01:27:41.319
wanted them all to stay together. Right, They step off

1493
01:27:41.439 --> 01:27:45.840
ont of the bridge and Holographic Janeway is going to

1494
01:27:45.880 --> 01:27:51.800
be there as their instructor, the emergency Command Hologram and

1495
01:27:52.079 --> 01:27:54.720
that's pretty cool. And so we get up there and

1496
01:27:54.840 --> 01:27:57.199
we find that in this version of the ship on

1497
01:27:57.279 --> 01:28:00.079
the Prodigy, there is not one but two command and

1498
01:28:00.199 --> 01:28:05.359
shairs acting captain and their captain's number one, and Dal

1499
01:28:05.560 --> 01:28:08.920
says great humility that he believes he's going to be

1500
01:28:09.600 --> 01:28:13.840
Gwinn's number one, and that it's Gwinn's time to lead.

1501
01:28:14.279 --> 01:28:19.399
So Gwyn, everybody on the new field commissioned ensigns. They

1502
01:28:19.439 --> 01:28:22.279
all have spiffy, cool, new looking uniforms that they have

1503
01:28:23.079 --> 01:28:27.239
and they're all out there on the bridge. Gwyn's place

1504
01:28:27.560 --> 01:28:32.159
in the captain's chair and her catline for her captain

1505
01:28:32.359 --> 01:28:36.680
is let's reach for the stars the Gentleman. That is

1506
01:28:36.800 --> 01:28:42.119
twenty episodes, season two of Star Trek gy in the book,

1507
01:28:42.600 --> 01:28:50.479
pretty satisfying, exciting two parts. Okay, so a lottuff got

1508
01:28:50.560 --> 01:28:54.720
wrapped up here. I thought we had some moments in

1509
01:28:54.840 --> 01:28:58.119
here was super exciting. I thought it was really a

1510
01:28:58.159 --> 01:29:06.600
lot of fun there was with uh uh Chacota in

1511
01:29:06.680 --> 01:29:09.479
Janeway and Hologram jam right. I think that would be

1512
01:29:09.680 --> 01:29:13.720
really soon. Ugh, we didn't lose, which is as we're

1513
01:29:13.840 --> 01:29:16.000
on a show like this that it's gonna have to

1514
01:29:16.039 --> 01:29:17.960
say themselves. I thought for a while it was gonna

1515
01:29:17.960 --> 01:29:21.199
be chockote, but we didn't ready.

1516
01:29:22.439 --> 01:29:22.560
Uh.

1517
01:29:22.880 --> 01:29:26.159
I think was another thing that happened with the Discovery finale,

1518
01:29:26.319 --> 01:29:30.039
right we did. Anybody that's afraid we're to lose. I

1519
01:29:30.079 --> 01:29:33.399
remember thinking that during the Distories finale that we were

1520
01:29:33.439 --> 01:29:35.680
going to lose somebody that we were never happened there,

1521
01:29:36.000 --> 01:29:39.199
so it was kind of a nice trend there. All

1522
01:29:39.239 --> 01:29:43.600
their folks attacked that there's a wide open doorway if

1523
01:29:44.039 --> 01:29:47.720
at some point, uh, you know, to get a season

1524
01:29:47.800 --> 01:29:48.520
three in the books.

1525
01:29:48.560 --> 01:29:50.359
I don't know next year.

1526
01:29:51.399 --> 01:29:53.680
I don't think we've had anything formally announced yet, but

1527
01:29:53.720 --> 01:29:56.920
to certainly set things up for them should it be,

1528
01:29:57.840 --> 01:29:59.800
so we'll see and if it doesn't, and this is

1529
01:29:59.840 --> 01:30:02.920
all all the products we ever get. It's certainly that

1530
01:30:04.079 --> 01:30:06.920
nice Bob, knowing that we're able to think of our

1531
01:30:07.199 --> 01:30:10.079
beloved characters going off into the future and having some

1532
01:30:10.159 --> 01:30:13.119
good special you know, more adventures that are in our

1533
01:30:13.199 --> 01:30:17.680
mind are canon to come, so that's kind of a thing.

1534
01:30:18.479 --> 01:30:21.760
I enjoyed this two parter. I thought was past flying again,

1535
01:30:21.880 --> 01:30:24.560
super fond of these characters. I thought it was really

1536
01:30:25.000 --> 01:30:30.239
a happy way things are put up. Uh you know,

1537
01:30:31.399 --> 01:30:35.239
I'm a final person, so I'm spy to be two

1538
01:30:35.319 --> 01:30:39.319
up together and and give it a ten because I

1539
01:30:39.399 --> 01:30:41.319
think it did what I do right. I think it's

1540
01:30:41.319 --> 01:30:46.399
really satisfying. I'm uh, I do have one dangling Chad

1541
01:30:46.520 --> 01:30:49.720
question for you. It's appropriate. I want to ask you

1542
01:30:49.800 --> 01:30:52.840
because I was looking for and I missed. Actually when

1543
01:30:52.840 --> 01:30:54.199
I'm looking for something I know, miss it, So I

1544
01:30:54.319 --> 01:31:02.319
was like, what, but happy for me? Massive show. I

1545
01:31:02.359 --> 01:31:04.800
think they did a really good It was maybe three

1546
01:31:04.920 --> 01:31:08.359
or four of the twenty necessary. It's like at some

1547
01:31:08.439 --> 01:31:11.079
point they said how many episodes have there'll be twenty,

1548
01:31:11.199 --> 01:31:13.840
and they plotted around that number. It feels to me,

1549
01:31:14.520 --> 01:31:17.079
rather than have them and then figure out how many

1550
01:31:17.640 --> 01:31:21.279
they need to tell that story? All right, it's been

1551
01:31:21.359 --> 01:31:24.760
necessarated for a lot of it. I think they could

1552
01:31:25.000 --> 01:31:28.600
be done like a comfortable seen or seen and told

1553
01:31:28.640 --> 01:31:32.039
the same story really easily. This this seemed like too

1554
01:31:32.119 --> 01:31:35.960
many to me, but I look back on them all

1555
01:31:36.079 --> 01:31:39.359
pretty fondly, and this is a real treat. Have more Prodigy.

1556
01:31:39.439 --> 01:31:42.000
For a while, we weren't sure we'd ever and it

1557
01:31:42.119 --> 01:31:48.119
was great to find you know our soult so great show. Great.

1558
01:31:49.039 --> 01:31:52.600
I give it a combined ten stuff from me.

1559
01:31:53.199 --> 01:31:57.800
Eric, Yeah, wow, you said so many things that I

1560
01:31:57.880 --> 01:32:03.199
cannot disagree with. Okay, so let's let's work our way back.

1561
01:32:03.279 --> 01:32:07.640
So the twenty episodes. The twenty episodes might have been

1562
01:32:07.720 --> 01:32:08.479
a little bit long.

1563
01:32:08.560 --> 01:32:08.680
You know.

1564
01:32:08.760 --> 01:32:12.600
It's kind of interesting. I think how the evolution of

1565
01:32:12.680 --> 01:32:15.680
how we think about these shows has occurred over the

1566
01:32:15.760 --> 01:32:18.920
last like ten years or so. You know, we've evolved

1567
01:32:18.960 --> 01:32:22.199
from a twenty six episode season where we were used

1568
01:32:22.239 --> 01:32:26.720
to a lot of piller, to much reduced versions of that,

1569
01:32:26.920 --> 01:32:28.800
and then we have like all these short run series

1570
01:32:28.840 --> 01:32:31.880
that are like six episodes, eight episodes. You know, they

1571
01:32:32.000 --> 01:32:34.439
just tell a like one shot story, boom they're done.

1572
01:32:35.399 --> 01:32:38.000
So twenty episodes does feel a little long, and there

1573
01:32:38.079 --> 01:32:40.439
were probably I would agree, three or four episodes in

1574
01:32:40.520 --> 01:32:43.159
here that may have been unnecessary, may have not you know,

1575
01:32:43.279 --> 01:32:48.439
advanced the plot that much. But I guess I guess

1576
01:32:48.520 --> 01:32:51.479
that was okay for me. For this particular show, this

1577
01:32:51.600 --> 01:32:55.960
feels like a you know, I don't know, needs a

1578
01:32:56.039 --> 01:32:58.079
show to like sit down and watch for a little bit.

1579
01:32:58.960 --> 01:33:01.119
You want them to have more than an eight episode

1580
01:33:01.279 --> 01:33:04.800
arc or whatever to be able to follow along with.

1581
01:33:05.039 --> 01:33:10.560
So so for this particular show, I like that. What else,

1582
01:33:11.279 --> 01:33:15.079
some wonderful, wonderful moments in this two parter, I will

1583
01:33:15.119 --> 01:33:18.840
say that I don't I didn't once mind the exposition

1584
01:33:19.119 --> 01:33:22.439
of the detailed explanation of the timeline stuff, because what

1585
01:33:22.560 --> 01:33:25.520
did I do? I literally paused it along the way

1586
01:33:25.600 --> 01:33:27.760
and I wrote it all down because that kind of

1587
01:33:27.800 --> 01:33:31.279
shit matters to me for some strange reasons, so I

1588
01:33:31.399 --> 01:33:35.560
have it all written down here and for those of

1589
01:33:35.640 --> 01:33:39.199
us who maybe have those tendencies in our personalities, I

1590
01:33:39.880 --> 01:33:41.720
just didn't mind that that part one bit.

1591
01:33:43.359 --> 01:33:44.439
I did like that.

1592
01:33:44.920 --> 01:33:47.199
You know, we see rock talk who has become our

1593
01:33:47.680 --> 01:33:50.359
I will say, I think our hero quite a bit.

1594
01:33:50.479 --> 01:33:53.840
I mean, she's always figuring stuff out when nobody else can.

1595
01:33:54.760 --> 01:33:57.720
She gets into a situation here where she doesn't know

1596
01:33:57.760 --> 01:33:59.960
what's going on either, and between her not knowing what's

1597
01:34:00.159 --> 01:34:03.439
going on, and Wesley not knowing what's going on, and

1598
01:34:03.720 --> 01:34:06.960
Zero not knowing what's going on, and Moelle not knowing

1599
01:34:07.000 --> 01:34:10.560
what's going on, it was it was pretty scary. It's like, Okay,

1600
01:34:10.680 --> 01:34:12.800
these are the four smartest people on this show, and

1601
01:34:13.000 --> 01:34:14.800
none of them have any idea what's going on in

1602
01:34:14.880 --> 01:34:15.479
part one here.

1603
01:34:16.159 --> 01:34:16.680
So I like that.

1604
01:34:16.800 --> 01:34:19.319
It was like good peril to me. You know, it

1605
01:34:19.399 --> 01:34:22.600
sort of threw everybody into a situation and now they

1606
01:34:22.680 --> 01:34:25.159
have to think their way out of it. I do

1607
01:34:25.439 --> 01:34:30.119
like quite a bit hollow Janeway and her existential crisis.

1608
01:34:30.159 --> 01:34:31.560
I think I mentioned that just a little bit in

1609
01:34:31.560 --> 01:34:34.000
the last couple episodes, but here it feels like it's

1610
01:34:34.039 --> 01:34:37.800
really kicking in and she's she's like, I mean more

1611
01:34:37.920 --> 01:34:40.079
or less saying I don't want to die, you know,

1612
01:34:40.560 --> 01:34:42.760
and they finally figure out a way to replicate her

1613
01:34:42.840 --> 01:34:45.239
program so that she doesn't she doesn't have to, but

1614
01:34:46.079 --> 01:34:48.319
we know that we have to have, you know, dumb

1615
01:34:48.439 --> 01:34:51.439
Janeway so to speak on the proto star at the

1616
01:34:51.520 --> 01:34:54.720
end of the show. So you know, there's kind of

1617
01:34:54.800 --> 01:34:57.279
like a nice circular nature to a lot of good

1618
01:34:58.119 --> 01:35:02.439
science fiction, I think, And this particular episode, the second

1619
01:35:02.479 --> 01:35:05.319
part here, ends with a you know, we're back at

1620
01:35:05.359 --> 01:35:10.800
the beginning type scenario. So I do like that quite

1621
01:35:10.840 --> 01:35:14.800
a bit. I will say that I also really liked

1622
01:35:14.920 --> 01:35:21.920
the kind of like battle between Gwendala and Asensia. You know,

1623
01:35:23.159 --> 01:35:26.479
the idea of the community who had kind of been

1624
01:35:26.640 --> 01:35:30.960
following a Sensia who had been duped by her, who

1625
01:35:31.039 --> 01:35:35.000
had been fooled by her, kind of eventually turning at

1626
01:35:35.079 --> 01:35:40.920
the end and supporting Gwen and you know, lending their

1627
01:35:41.000 --> 01:35:41.880
life force or whatever.

1628
01:35:41.880 --> 01:35:42.079
I mean.

1629
01:35:42.079 --> 01:35:43.760
It was a little Star warsy with like the whole

1630
01:35:43.840 --> 01:35:47.720
force situation there, but just like them lending their will

1631
01:35:47.960 --> 01:35:50.199
to her so that she could accomplish the thing that

1632
01:35:50.319 --> 01:35:51.399
she needed to accomplish.

1633
01:35:51.479 --> 01:35:53.319
That to me speaks to.

1634
01:35:53.359 --> 01:35:56.800
Her as a leader and speaks to the community as

1635
01:35:56.920 --> 01:35:59.920
having gone through a change of you know, being fooled

1636
01:36:00.079 --> 01:36:04.359
by the quick and dirty solution, so to speak, for

1637
01:36:04.479 --> 01:36:06.640
the longest time, and then kind of coming back around

1638
01:36:06.680 --> 01:36:09.319
to what really needs to happen for their people. So

1639
01:36:11.119 --> 01:36:15.399
totally dug on that. I dug the tiny wiminess of

1640
01:36:15.479 --> 01:36:18.199
it all, Like the you know, the sort of like

1641
01:36:18.319 --> 01:36:21.159
two dimensional projection of all the wormholes and they have

1642
01:36:21.279 --> 01:36:23.000
to fly through the middle and become the needle in

1643
01:36:23.039 --> 01:36:26.439
the haystack, and all that kind of imagery was really fun.

1644
01:36:26.680 --> 01:36:32.199
So I will say that I thoroughly enjoyed this two parter.

1645
01:36:33.479 --> 01:36:35.560
I could find almost nothing wrong with it. I felt

1646
01:36:35.600 --> 01:36:37.600
like it had a great haste to it. It felt

1647
01:36:37.600 --> 01:36:40.279
like we got through the bulk of the story at

1648
01:36:40.399 --> 01:36:43.199
least by midway through the second episode, and so we

1649
01:36:43.800 --> 01:36:45.800
had a whole half of an episode at the end

1650
01:36:45.840 --> 01:36:48.439
there to just kind of like put everything to bed,

1651
01:36:48.600 --> 01:36:50.560
make sure all the characters felt good about where they

1652
01:36:50.680 --> 01:36:53.039
ended up, make sure the ship ends up where it

1653
01:36:53.079 --> 01:36:55.319
needs to be, all that sort of stuff. So that

1654
01:36:55.520 --> 01:36:59.680
to me is just good television. Great ending that, as

1655
01:36:59.720 --> 01:37:02.359
Paul was saying, could either lead into a season three

1656
01:37:03.199 --> 01:37:06.600
or could be an ender, and I think either way,

1657
01:37:06.800 --> 01:37:08.920
they did a pretty good job of ending this one.

1658
01:37:09.079 --> 01:37:11.359
So I'm I'm gonna go with Paul Man. I think

1659
01:37:11.439 --> 01:37:13.359
this is a ten. I think this two parter is

1660
01:37:13.399 --> 01:37:15.880
a ten. I can find just about nothing wrong with it,

1661
01:37:16.000 --> 01:37:18.399
and I thoroughly enjoyed it and can't wait to watch

1662
01:37:18.439 --> 01:37:18.800
it again.

1663
01:37:19.439 --> 01:37:22.600
There you go, all right, a ten.

1664
01:37:22.920 --> 01:37:28.760
Well I'll jump your question. Yeah, yeah, go ahead.

1665
01:37:29.399 --> 01:37:35.119
Quick, because Eric in the chat something like, uh uh,

1666
01:37:35.720 --> 01:37:38.319
you had been waiting for like a scene with Midchelle

1667
01:37:38.399 --> 01:37:43.359
and Zero doing like the falcon finger thing. Yeah, it's

1668
01:37:43.399 --> 01:37:45.840
almost like kiss right where they put the two fingers.

1669
01:37:46.279 --> 01:37:49.159
Totally when did that? Because I was looking all through

1670
01:37:49.239 --> 01:37:50.880
these last two episodes didn't.

1671
01:37:50.600 --> 01:37:54.520
See there's a moment in the second episode where they're

1672
01:37:54.560 --> 01:37:58.039
sort of just panning and they're they're they're kind of

1673
01:37:58.159 --> 01:38:01.680
doing it. Uh gosh, It's it's really kind of a

1674
01:38:01.720 --> 01:38:03.840
throwaway scene. I mean, it's just like a two or

1675
01:38:03.960 --> 01:38:08.600
three second panning of the camera through that thing. But

1676
01:38:08.720 --> 01:38:10.439
when they when they did it, I mean, I told

1677
01:38:10.479 --> 01:38:14.600
you guys that, like I swear to god, if Michelle

1678
01:38:14.720 --> 01:38:17.359
and Zero do the finger thing, I'm gonna freak out

1679
01:38:17.399 --> 01:38:20.439
and I totally did. I can find probably the timestamp

1680
01:38:20.479 --> 01:38:24.039
for you or something. But Boros too, I'm pretty sure

1681
01:38:24.079 --> 01:38:24.840
it was in that one.

1682
01:38:25.239 --> 01:38:25.720
Yeah, it was.

1683
01:38:26.039 --> 01:38:28.560
It felt like as the story was kind of wrapping up,

1684
01:38:28.920 --> 01:38:31.960
there was a little camera pan there where it happens.

1685
01:38:32.079 --> 01:38:36.960
I think it must be something. Yeah, okay, but I'm

1686
01:38:37.000 --> 01:38:40.439
just want to so thank you brother, you bet Okay.

1687
01:38:40.560 --> 01:38:45.880
Onward, Well, I enjoyed this episode a lot. I really

1688
01:38:46.079 --> 01:38:50.600
like the maturing of Doll. You know, when he says

1689
01:38:50.920 --> 01:38:53.039
he says to Gwen, he says, well, it's your mission,

1690
01:38:53.720 --> 01:38:57.039
you know, we'll follow you. And I thought, particularly at

1691
01:38:57.039 --> 01:39:00.920
the end when he stepped down as captain, and I

1692
01:39:01.039 --> 01:39:04.840
just liked that whole the character growth between him and her.

1693
01:39:04.920 --> 01:39:08.600
I thought it was great. I can't really find anything

1694
01:39:08.640 --> 01:39:11.000
wrong with this. The way they ended, I thought it

1695
01:39:11.119 --> 01:39:13.680
was great. It was a lot of fun. I thought

1696
01:39:13.720 --> 01:39:17.239
it was really cool how Rock says, well, maybe it

1697
01:39:17.560 --> 01:39:22.119
wasn't Chacote, maybe it was us all along. And if

1698
01:39:22.159 --> 01:39:24.640
you think back to the episode where they find Chacote

1699
01:39:25.520 --> 01:39:29.720
and the Birdman, you know, and they're like, well, maybe

1700
01:39:30.039 --> 01:39:33.119
maybe we are the ones that broke them out of

1701
01:39:33.199 --> 01:39:38.520
prison all along. So they already set that particular plot

1702
01:39:38.680 --> 01:39:41.760
line in motion previously, so I thought that was cool

1703
01:39:41.800 --> 01:39:44.159
that they came right back to that again. That we

1704
01:39:45.439 --> 01:39:48.560
meaning the crew of Prodigy, they are the ones. They're

1705
01:39:48.600 --> 01:39:52.199
the catalysts that actually sends the shift back that they

1706
01:39:52.319 --> 01:39:57.560
find later or sooner, sooner or later, tiny winey stuff whatever.

1707
01:39:58.079 --> 01:40:02.079
I thought that was great. I really liked that. I did,

1708
01:40:02.600 --> 01:40:07.239
you know, I thought it was kind of Jellico, you know,

1709
01:40:08.079 --> 01:40:12.720
suspending everything, you know, I thought was kind of weird.

1710
01:40:13.119 --> 01:40:14.199
Well, so.

1711
01:40:16.079 --> 01:40:19.039
We liked to We liked to dis Angelico, no question,

1712
01:40:19.439 --> 01:40:21.800
he is the bad guy, but I did feel like

1713
01:40:22.000 --> 01:40:25.000
he was being handed down orders from above on this one.

1714
01:40:26.800 --> 01:40:29.479
Yeah, it's like we're only going to be a military

1715
01:40:29.680 --> 01:40:32.159
operation now, I.

1716
01:40:32.199 --> 01:40:34.720
Mean, dude, that was the whole point of Picard, I

1717
01:40:34.880 --> 01:40:38.800
think was that, you know, Starfleet got shot into being

1718
01:40:39.039 --> 01:40:42.760
broken as the agency that they had once been, and

1719
01:40:42.880 --> 01:40:45.279
they felt like they had to contract upon themselves. So

1720
01:40:45.439 --> 01:40:48.239
I I actually, yeah, it was weird, but it was

1721
01:40:48.399 --> 01:40:50.399
completely in line with what we saw on the card.

1722
01:40:50.439 --> 01:40:53.399
I think. Yeah, I thought it was I thought it

1723
01:40:53.520 --> 01:40:56.560
was great that, like Charles said, in the Cadet Training

1724
01:40:57.319 --> 01:40:59.840
Children of Mars, you know, we got to see it

1725
01:41:00.079 --> 01:41:04.760
lay out from the Federal from Starfleet instead of the

1726
01:41:04.840 --> 01:41:06.600
way we saw it in the episode. I thought that

1727
01:41:06.720 --> 01:41:11.560
was great because now now we know exactly what where

1728
01:41:11.720 --> 01:41:14.840
these characters are and when they are, so that means cool.

1729
01:41:16.119 --> 01:41:18.880
I the only thing that I thought was kind of

1730
01:41:18.960 --> 01:41:22.680
weird about the whole thing was Starfleet is giving away

1731
01:41:22.800 --> 01:41:25.840
like one of their most advanced prototypes to a bunch

1732
01:41:25.920 --> 01:41:32.359
of kids. That was a little bit strange, but I'll

1733
01:41:32.399 --> 01:41:34.760
buy it. I thought it was great that they named

1734
01:41:34.800 --> 01:41:38.399
the ship Prodigy after the show. And yeah, so overall,

1735
01:41:38.439 --> 01:41:42.560
I thoroughly, thoroughly, thoroughly enjoyed it. And I'm going with

1736
01:41:42.680 --> 01:41:45.640
you guys, and I'm going with a ten for the finale,

1737
01:41:46.880 --> 01:41:50.800
So there you have it. I would go ten point one,

1738
01:41:50.920 --> 01:41:53.800
but you can't go higher than ten, so maybe I'll go,

1739
01:41:54.359 --> 01:41:59.680
you know what, I'll do nine point nine. How's that that?

1740
01:42:00.359 --> 01:42:04.039
That would be very in keeping with the warp factor measurement.

1741
01:42:04.119 --> 01:42:06.760
You can't go warp ten or you turn into a salamander.

1742
01:42:07.840 --> 01:42:12.600
That's right, very have it? All right, David, you're next?

1743
01:42:13.840 --> 01:42:14.199
All right?

1744
01:42:14.359 --> 01:42:19.840
Well, where to start? When I first saw this episode,

1745
01:42:20.000 --> 01:42:22.800
immediately I thought of Star Wars. I mean, who else

1746
01:42:22.880 --> 01:42:26.199
thought of that guy the robot head or that little

1747
01:42:26.239 --> 01:42:27.960
thing in the back of the head part of the

1748
01:42:29.640 --> 01:42:31.760
Lando's helper or something.

1749
01:42:31.600 --> 01:42:31.760
You know.

1750
01:42:32.079 --> 01:42:35.760
So immediately the very first thing I thought, I was like,

1751
01:42:35.840 --> 01:42:40.600
huh Star Wars technology. So to me, I was like, okay,

1752
01:42:40.800 --> 01:42:42.800
we can get into this. So then it just gone

1753
01:42:42.920 --> 01:42:46.199
into the whole idea where you know, they're trying to

1754
01:42:46.520 --> 01:42:48.000
solve this problem.

1755
01:42:47.800 --> 01:42:48.119
Of like.

1756
01:42:50.399 --> 01:42:55.319
Fixing the timeline and I'm like, okay, so there's gotta

1757
01:42:55.359 --> 01:42:59.039
be thousands of looms coming out of that wormhole, and

1758
01:42:59.159 --> 01:43:02.000
yet somehow they had to do it ray shield get

1759
01:43:02.159 --> 01:43:07.159
the phase to maximum, And I'm like, isn't that what happened, David?

1760
01:43:07.279 --> 01:43:09.800
They had to excuse me, David, they had to raise

1761
01:43:10.199 --> 01:43:11.199
temporal shields.

1762
01:43:13.399 --> 01:43:17.960
Didn't they do temple shields last time? I'm just saying,

1763
01:43:18.000 --> 01:43:20.279
I mean they tried it last time, and somehow they

1764
01:43:20.359 --> 01:43:23.640
got through the ship. So I was like, there's thousands

1765
01:43:23.680 --> 01:43:24.560
of looms coming.

1766
01:43:24.479 --> 01:43:26.720
Up and that's how they did it.

1767
01:43:27.319 --> 01:43:28.880
Okay, I don't know.

1768
01:43:29.399 --> 01:43:31.960
They kind of threw me out of the loop, David.

1769
01:43:32.000 --> 01:43:34.640
Don't forget. They also had to align the phase of

1770
01:43:34.720 --> 01:43:35.520
frequency so that.

1771
01:43:35.560 --> 01:43:40.159
They matched See it's Jane Way's superior captaining that's how

1772
01:43:40.199 --> 01:43:40.600
they did it.

1773
01:43:41.279 --> 01:43:41.479
Yeah.

1774
01:43:41.800 --> 01:43:44.199
To me, I was like, Okay, how what when?

1775
01:43:44.479 --> 01:43:47.119
What come on? David?

1776
01:43:47.560 --> 01:43:50.640
So anyway, I just threw me out of the loom.

1777
01:43:50.920 --> 01:43:57.279
But yeah, threw me out of the loom. Yeah, put

1778
01:43:57.359 --> 01:44:04.880
in a loom. Oh man? So yeah, I like it.

1779
01:44:05.279 --> 01:44:08.119
I do like this episode. I apecually liked the number

1780
01:44:08.359 --> 01:44:11.520
two episode where they did all that flashback and stuff.

1781
01:44:11.600 --> 01:44:17.039
That really did a pretty really good job of tying

1782
01:44:17.119 --> 01:44:19.239
it all up. And I actually thought it was the

1783
01:44:19.520 --> 01:44:21.560
end of the seasons, like they weren't going to be

1784
01:44:21.600 --> 01:44:24.279
making anymore, because that's what it sounded like. But then

1785
01:44:24.760 --> 01:44:26.399
toward the very end of it, I was like, wait

1786
01:44:26.439 --> 01:44:28.720
a minute, are they going to continue? Because it seems

1787
01:44:28.760 --> 01:44:32.319
like they're they might continue. I don't know, what do

1788
01:44:32.319 --> 01:44:32.800
you guys think?

1789
01:44:35.159 --> 01:44:37.560
Wow, I mean it definitely it was definitely written to

1790
01:44:38.840 --> 01:44:41.319
want to have a third season. Like that's the way

1791
01:44:41.399 --> 01:44:41.960
I look at it.

1792
01:44:42.079 --> 01:44:44.199
Yeah, yeah, I mean it just felt like there was

1793
01:44:44.199 --> 01:44:48.520
a cliffhanger there for some reason. And what really got

1794
01:44:48.640 --> 01:44:53.159
me actually would when they tied in Picard the whole

1795
01:44:54.000 --> 01:44:56.560
attack on Mars, and I was like, oh, well, so

1796
01:44:56.760 --> 01:45:01.359
this is where there's a timeline, know, so to me,

1797
01:45:01.600 --> 01:45:05.399
I actually really enjoyed that. And Okay, I did my

1798
01:45:05.520 --> 01:45:08.960
research and I went through all of the cards, uh

1799
01:45:10.000 --> 01:45:14.279
endings of the like cliffhangers of the different seasons. Did

1800
01:45:14.439 --> 01:45:21.119
anyone else of Season one cliffhanger where they the Android

1801
01:45:21.239 --> 01:45:24.039
were trying to open the portal the wormhole or whatever,

1802
01:45:24.319 --> 01:45:30.119
the dimension whatnot, and they that giant, weird looking alien

1803
01:45:31.039 --> 01:45:33.800
octupus looking thing that came out. Did anyone else think

1804
01:45:33.840 --> 01:45:34.640
of that as the loom?

1805
01:45:37.279 --> 01:45:37.560
Hmm?

1806
01:45:38.159 --> 01:45:39.800
I hadn't thought of that, but sure.

1807
01:45:40.479 --> 01:45:43.680
And the thing, yeah, the machine that I mean, I

1808
01:45:43.760 --> 01:45:44.439
think I.

1809
01:45:44.479 --> 01:45:48.159
Thought about that as con something else.

1810
01:45:48.880 --> 01:45:52.239
Yeah, yeah, the machine that they used to open that

1811
01:45:52.319 --> 01:45:56.399
portal looked a lot like essence she has machine that

1812
01:45:56.600 --> 01:45:59.199
she was using. And I was like, wait a second,

1813
01:46:00.279 --> 01:46:02.640
So to me, I kind of put those two together,

1814
01:46:02.720 --> 01:46:04.880
and I was like, that's interesting to think about because

1815
01:46:05.039 --> 01:46:08.239
it just makes it seem like there's more to this

1816
01:46:08.439 --> 01:46:12.199
dimension instead of this the looms. Maybe it's more monsters,

1817
01:46:12.239 --> 01:46:15.079
I don't know, but yeah, whatever, this dimension is apparently

1818
01:46:15.359 --> 01:46:19.279
another portal exactly almost the same thing that happened in

1819
01:46:19.359 --> 01:46:24.039
the end of the second season where the boards came

1820
01:46:24.119 --> 01:46:26.479
through and there's like giant beam comes shooting out of

1821
01:46:26.520 --> 01:46:31.479
the portal into the shield, and I'm like, there's there's

1822
01:46:31.520 --> 01:46:34.119
gotta be a connection somewhere in there with what's going

1823
01:46:34.199 --> 01:46:36.439
on with all of these different series that are being

1824
01:46:37.760 --> 01:46:40.760
produced around the same time that somebody in the writer

1825
01:46:40.960 --> 01:46:43.479
room probably got something going on where it was like, Okay,

1826
01:46:43.560 --> 01:46:46.359
this is all going to lead to a giant climax

1827
01:46:46.560 --> 01:46:50.560
end where the different dimension creasures or whatever they're going

1828
01:46:50.600 --> 01:46:55.199
to come pulling through our universe are going to be connected.

1829
01:46:55.319 --> 01:46:57.199
So I don't know, maybe that's true, maybe not, I

1830
01:46:57.199 --> 01:47:01.439
don't know, But to me, I was just like, I

1831
01:47:01.680 --> 01:47:07.079
just felt a little interesting to me, intriguing you me

1832
01:47:07.199 --> 01:47:12.079
put it. But yeah, overall this two parter I enjoyed,

1833
01:47:13.840 --> 01:47:17.199
minus a few parts that I thought were kind of

1834
01:47:17.199 --> 01:47:23.000
strange that shouldn't have been there, I guess. But yeah,

1835
01:47:24.439 --> 01:47:30.079
other than that, to me, I've I don't know, I'm

1836
01:47:30.319 --> 01:47:34.720
guessing any more between you know what, I'm just gonna

1837
01:47:34.720 --> 01:47:37.039
go with a nine point five on this one.

1838
01:47:43.159 --> 01:47:47.359
Charles all right, nine point five from David that brings

1839
01:47:47.439 --> 01:47:50.800
us around to our boot, which of course is Charles.

1840
01:47:51.680 --> 01:47:53.520
Okay, quite a few notes on this.

1841
01:47:57.359 --> 01:47:57.479
Uh.

1842
01:47:59.359 --> 01:48:05.560
I liked Leslie's comment of they weren't meant to do

1843
01:48:05.680 --> 01:48:10.479
it now it involved the future and to me, that

1844
01:48:10.920 --> 01:48:15.479
to me, that made me feel like, Okay, is Wesley

1845
01:48:15.800 --> 01:48:22.880
foreshadowing another season as I hadn't seen the end of

1846
01:48:22.960 --> 01:48:29.560
the episode yet, but that gave me vibes of a

1847
01:48:29.680 --> 01:48:38.560
news a third season. The reason I mentioned all the

1848
01:48:38.640 --> 01:48:45.159
flashbacks into season one Aprodigy is why I brought it back,

1849
01:48:45.479 --> 01:48:49.479
why I brought it up in Cadet reviews, because there

1850
01:48:49.520 --> 01:48:53.399
are so many good scenes we got to see tied

1851
01:48:53.520 --> 01:48:59.439
in to what was the lap of the twenty episodes

1852
01:48:59.840 --> 01:49:06.239
or so of that of that season combined into bringing

1853
01:49:06.279 --> 01:49:12.560
the ship back to where but where it belonged, Paul said.

1854
01:49:12.760 --> 01:49:17.119
He said that Dal left the com badge on the

1855
01:49:17.239 --> 01:49:20.720
captain's chair. He didn't leave on the captain's chair. He

1856
01:49:20.960 --> 01:49:25.600
left it at the in front of the captain's chair,

1857
01:49:25.680 --> 01:49:29.279
near the front of the bridge. But I believe that

1858
01:49:29.399 --> 01:49:33.880
they're a tie in to where Dal finds a badge

1859
01:49:35.880 --> 01:49:39.920
when they're in season one, and I think that's where

1860
01:49:39.960 --> 01:49:43.680
he ties into rememory. Oh what down that badge on

1861
01:49:43.880 --> 01:49:52.000
a ship? I need to find it again. Usually we

1862
01:49:52.079 --> 01:49:56.359
don't get seasons where we kind of tie a show

1863
01:49:56.640 --> 01:50:03.680
into a new, new other series. But as soon as

1864
01:50:03.760 --> 01:50:08.520
we started getting that broadcast and they said Mars was attacked,

1865
01:50:09.399 --> 01:50:16.039
I realized, oh, this is how it went when we

1866
01:50:16.279 --> 01:50:19.680
back when we reviewed The Cards, the first novel that

1867
01:50:19.800 --> 01:50:23.560
came out of the Card series, and the reason we

1868
01:50:23.800 --> 01:50:30.600
enjoy that novel was because it wasn't the Bocards series.

1869
01:50:30.880 --> 01:50:34.439
It was a prequel to this series. How did the

1870
01:50:34.640 --> 01:50:38.920
Card get to where he was being off living in

1871
01:50:39.279 --> 01:50:45.880
the living in the vinery with the two members of

1872
01:50:46.079 --> 01:50:52.319
the staff. But that's where Children of Mars, which was

1873
01:50:52.399 --> 01:50:57.640
another academy place like a school, So we kind of

1874
01:50:57.800 --> 01:51:02.399
tie that into like, oh, okay, this is where we're at.

1875
01:51:02.479 --> 01:51:04.399
We're at this point in time.

1876
01:51:07.720 --> 01:51:08.239
The ship.

1877
01:51:08.359 --> 01:51:08.720
Okay.

1878
01:51:11.720 --> 01:51:18.439
David asked, how does Sensia capture alone? Nobody mentioned the

1879
01:51:18.600 --> 01:51:24.319
comment what did a Sensia say when she was in

1880
01:51:24.399 --> 01:51:29.279
the middle of a fight in there? I want to

1881
01:51:29.359 --> 01:51:35.399
control the multiverse. I want to do the multiverse where

1882
01:51:35.600 --> 01:51:40.159
I'm in control. This is the first time that I've

1883
01:51:40.199 --> 01:51:45.399
ever heard a character in Star Trek actually mention the multiverse.

1884
01:51:46.199 --> 01:51:52.279
They knew the multiverse existed, and they knew trying to

1885
01:51:52.359 --> 01:51:58.760
be in a specific, specific universe. But that's I think

1886
01:51:58.840 --> 01:52:03.479
how she captured the because she knew about the whole

1887
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multiverse and knew where how to capture one. Put a

1888
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little final comment in there. I love a little bit

1889
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of gray. They said, well, why would you just give

1890
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up a ship, well, the ship of things threatened at

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being scrapped.

1892
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Or to go sit in.

1893
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The Starfleet graveyard. I think the idea was just to

1894
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scrap the ship. And Jane Waite said, okay, how about

1895
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we work at where we used as a training ship.

1896
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And I've got a different group that's in there that

1897
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can do their own thing because they're not ready to

1898
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be in the part of the military and the war

1899
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that was going to occur and Starfleet. So I love

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where they she was able to at them the ship.

1901
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I love the gray in the new uniforms. The uniforms

1902
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aren't solid black and division. There's gray in the uniforms,

1903
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kind of representing that they're still sort of cadets even

1904
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though they are ensigns for acting incidents. I'm not a

1905
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sifly sure I'm getting full ensigns.

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Well Field commissioners, just like Wesley originally was in TG.

1907
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But I like the fact that we kind of tied

1908
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it in where Well doesn't make a great finale tie

1909
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into a new News Heather's season, and I think part

1910
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of the goal is to doing that also kind of

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gets the demand where people want a third season and

1912
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the Netflix can see how much the success.

1913
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This series is.

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That most well, we need to do another season, and

1915
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I'm sure next week in our conversation we might able

1916
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to get some details on where that's gone.

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Hope show.

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I don't think I want a live season. I like

1919
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the animation to how they do this one. It's gonna

1920
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be hard to do Merph as a live action character.

1921
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I'm going to agree with the overall group in saying

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I'm gonna do a tent on this one. I think

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this was I liked how it kind of had the

1924
01:54:44.520 --> 01:54:48.399
ending an extension like Discovery did, and for the ending

1925
01:54:48.560 --> 01:54:52.319
like d S nine had, where the where the show

1926
01:54:52.439 --> 01:54:59.439
really deserves a finale. And with that, it gives us

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a score nine point nine, and it gives us an

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01:55:08.880 --> 01:55:20.960
overall score eight point seven for the entire season, which

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is a tenth below what the fans gave it at

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an eight point eight.

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Wow, that's impressive. Impressive. Yes, well, guys, that pretty much

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wraps up our super Prodigy show. Believe it or not,

1933
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but if you haven't had enough of Prodigy, you definitely

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want to beam in next week, same bat time, Dame

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Bat channel, because Paul Who is going to be here

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live with us next Thursday.

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Orson Wells, we actually were able the Great Beyond. Yeah,

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as through part of our Satan and the Mercury Radio Theater.

1939
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Orrison Wells is going to be here and he's going

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to recreate his War of the World's broadcast. But hold

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on a minute, I just got somebody's telling me some papers.

1942
01:56:12.359 --> 01:56:15.239
Oh wait a minute, that's the week after on the

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twenty fourth. No no, no, no no. This next week

1944
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is Aaron Walke, the co executive producer and frequent writer

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creator guy who's social media maven of all things related

1946
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to Prodigy. Aaron Walke, himself, former guests of the show,

1947
01:56:31.600 --> 01:56:33.279
current guests of the show, is coming back to talk

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to us all about everything you could possibly want to

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know about the magical land of Prodigy. And he's going

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to tell us how pissed off he is about Playmates

1951
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dropping the ball, leaving us with an incomplete group. I

1952
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can't can't wait. So yeah, he's If you've not heard

1953
01:56:50.199 --> 01:56:55.039
Aaron Walkey before. He's phenomenal guest friends. He basically kept

1954
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us in stitches for two hours last time he's on

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the show. And he's not just like some I'm a

1956
01:56:59.319 --> 01:57:02.399
producer guy who wants to do Stordrek. This guy knows

1957
01:57:02.479 --> 01:57:05.600
everything you name any part of the franchise. He's like

1958
01:57:05.680 --> 01:57:10.239
a super fan, super fan it with a ridiculously deep

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better knowledge. I can't wait to talk to him again.

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Super nice guy.

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It's gonna be fun. So you guys March's calendar and

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01:57:18.479 --> 01:57:20.760
be here. You don't want to miss it. Well, that

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wraps up our show. So I want to say thank

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you so much to Paul for hanging out and trek

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talking with us.

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Thank you, Paul, my pleasure man. This was really fun.

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It was great to have, great to have this series

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to really chat about, really really nice. So and it's

1969
01:57:37.680 --> 01:57:39.960
fun to continue the discussion with Aaron next week.

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Sorry, and of course thank you so much to the

1971
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cheese guy himself, David for hanging out with us. Thank you, David.

1972
01:57:49.159 --> 01:57:55.439
Oh so good fine the cheese or the show, both.

1973
01:57:57.680 --> 01:58:04.520
The Moldy Cheese or the show. Oh and also thank

1974
01:58:04.560 --> 01:58:06.239
you so much to Eric for hanging out in Trek

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01:58:06.319 --> 01:58:07.720
talking with us, and I thank you Eric.

1976
01:58:08.800 --> 01:58:11.439
Yeah, that was really fun. I love hearing your guys'

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opinions about the show. And I am going to miss Prodigy.

1978
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I really hope they pick it up for another season.

1979
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It is a show well worth keeping around.

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And we could talk with Aaron about that next week.

1981
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And of course, thank you so much to Charles for

1982
01:58:25.720 --> 01:58:29.239
hanging out and Chuck talking with us. Thank you, Charles, Oh,

1983
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thank you.

1984
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I've been had great that we got finally got through

1985
01:58:32.880 --> 01:58:34.920
and discussed all Prodigy.

1986
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And looking forward to low lower decks. Halloween will be

1987
01:58:44.359 --> 01:58:49.359
lower decks, and I'm your most excellent Uncle Jim saying,

1988
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thank you so much. Episode season Yeah, that'll that'll be fun.

1989
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That will be fun, and may people will be able

1990
01:59:00.640 --> 01:59:03.319
to get some more fan reactions as well if it's

1991
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week to week, so that I'm looking forward to that.

1992
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So I'm your most excellent host, Uncle Jim saying, please

1993
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everybody stay safe and be good to each other, and

1994
01:59:12.680 --> 01:59:18.119
remember Star Trek fans are the best fans. Hailing frequencies

1995
01:59:18.279 --> 01:59:23.880
are closed. Good night, everybody, man long and prosper Now

1996
01:59:23.960 --> 01:59:28.800
yells Jin, then see what's out the

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Engage spool s