Star Trek: Prodigy "Brink", "Touch of Grey", and "OUROBOROS part 1-2" review

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0:48 About the series coming to. The phone now. Coming He didn't jet. Well, Good evening, Trekkies and trekkers around the globe. It is Thursday, October tenth, seven thirty pm Easter time, four thirty pm Pacific time. That means trek Talking is live. That means you can let your fingers do the walking and call track talk. And that's right. Our phone lines are open. Six four six six six eight two four three three is the number. Put us in speed dial and give us a call. If you're a Prodigy fan, you definitely want to call because this is our Prodigy super show. We're gonna wrap up season two tonight, and if you want to share your opinions, your thoughts, give us a call. Six four six six six eight two four three three. This is episode six hundred and eight of Trek Talk and believe it or not. Before we get too far though, I want to let you guys know what our upcoming schedule is. Next week on the seventeenth, we're gonna have the one, the All Me, Aaron Walke here live to take your questions, the man behind Star Trek Prodigy, So have your questions ready and give us a call. And then on October twenty fourth, we're going to have John Simpson, who played the young Sarah in unarguably the best Star Trek movie ever made, Star Trek five,

2:20 the Final Frontier. So have your questions ready for John Simpson and give us a call. And then we wrap up October with a Halloween bash. We're going to be talking about the first two episodes of Star Trek Lower Decks, So that wraps up our October festivities. I'm the most excellent host, Uncle Jim. And before we get started, I want to say hello to Eric. Eric is out in Portland. How you doing tonight, Eric, Jim? I am doing quite well tonight. I have had a heck of a week, but you know, Friday's Eve is always one of my favorite parts of the week. Although I do question your definition of unarguably, I would. I would argue your arguments about Star Trek five and therefore it is not inarguable. Arguably Yeah, yeah, mostly arguably Star Treks.

3:16 Most arguably Star Trek five is the best Star Trek movie. I would agree with that. I would. I would agree with that. I love it. I would love it. And we also have out in Portland. We have a very own Paul the Toy Guy. How you doing tonight? Paul, Yes, yes, how are you? How are you? Everyone's as Eric said, it's been a crazy week, a lot of nonsense, a lot of craziness, both here and in the world. So what are you gonna do? You're just gonna hang on and make sure you have snacks. So, yeah, you're ready to wrap up some prodigy for us.

3:58 I am, I am. I have a question for Eric at some point about these episodes, but I'm not going to say that now. Wait until we're in the thick. Of it, all right. Is it an unarguably good question or an arguably good question? Well, it is a it is a it is a debatably a true question, I think, which we love here, right, yeah, because it's something that Eric referenced and I'm like, I did not see that, and so I'm like, where where did that fall? That's my pretty easy to catch hint for you. Eric, love it all right, we'll discuss once we're on the radio.

4:39 Well, you guys are just going to have to stick around and find out what Paul is talking about. And also from Portland, we have our very own David the cheese guy. How you doing tonight, David? Yeah, A bunch of trees to keep it from mold And so I'm not feeling very well. So what David's telling. Us I'm featuring David is like resembling a liable mouse, right, That's what you had, some questionable cheese.

5:22 And like you know that is like you you ate something. Let me just make sure I heard you correctly, right. You said you ate a bunch of cheese to keep it from going moldy? Is that. That is like me saying I drank a keg of beer to keep it from going flat. I appreciate the enthusiasm, but man, given that line of reasoning, everything is got to be consumed right away, all alcohol, all food, not here, but in the store. I mean we were should be in a car. It was fun, all right.

6:04 Well, well, let's let's swing out to Las Vegas and see what Charles is doing. Is Charles is eating any cheese? You got any cheese on your. No cheese. Had a little bit this morning with a cereal. A little bit of milk with my cereal made me a little gassy this morning. Yeah. Wow, once again we're reminded why we have a mute button on all of our poats. Well, Charles drinks that milk before it gets sour. You go, oh, all right, all right, guys. So we have twenty one thousand and seventy three followers on our Facebook page, which is awesome. You guys can find us on Facebook at Trek Talking Podcast and definitely want to do that. There's all kinds of great memes, all kinds of fun stuff there.

7:04 But one of the things that's there is our fan shout out section, And all you got to do is tell us where you're listening from. You see a heart next to your name from yours truly, Uncle Jim, then you're going to be featured on a future fans shout out. So, Eric, what do you say, get ready with some fan shout outs. Heck yeah, let's do it man. Our very first fan shout out this week goes out to Chavasti Bebagua, who is a top contrbutor from London, UK that's just across the pond, and top contributor status of course, means that Chavasi interacts with us a ton on our new Facebook page and we thank them for that. We thank them for their support in the UK. We have a lot of friends in the UK and we really appreciate that.

7:55 So thank you so much for saying hello to us. Also saying hello this week to Billy who's saying hello to us from Gaya Kill in A, Ecuador and sending us that live long and prosper hand sign. We really appreciate that. Anisha Hussein saying hello to us this week from Trinidad and Tobago, sending us a double flag for that wonderful country, maybe for the two parts, I don't know. Anisha, thank you so much for supporting us out there in the middle of the ocean like that, among many many other reasons, really just warms my heart to know that somebody out there in the middle of a place that you know, arguably pretty remote is listening to our podcast.

8:40 Thank you so much. And finally, this week I would like to say hello and thank very much Marie Ellis, Aluisa Gloria Kung, who is a top contributor. They are living in Switzerland but originally from guess where, Las Vegas. So mar LIUs Eloisa, Gloria Kung. Perhaps you and Charles have crossed paths in the past. Nobody knows, Hi, Charles don't know. But let's do a warm welcome to Edward Eedelyn from Ritzville, Washington. Welcome Edward, Welcome to Christopher Law from Mississippi. Welcome to Eric Anderson from Houston, Texas. And then a warm welcome to Robert Simpson Reed from Florida. Robert, hope you survived the last two hurricanes and your safe. So David, who's on your list?

9:49 Yeah, let's see. Uh Welcome to uh in A Lippert from top Oh, she's a top contributor. Enna, thank you, and you're from Texas, okay. Next on my list is Markta from New Mexico. Next on my list is ed Ferbie from Tennessee. And the last on my list is Linda barn putting up that lived long and prosper sign and she is from Minnesota, where I am from Paul.

10:30 What's on the other side, the girl from Minnesota. I did not know that fun fact? Yeah what what the what town in Minnesota? I was born in St. Paul? Actually, oh excellent, very cool, awesome part of the world. Is that the chief head? Well it's more no no, no, no, man. What if I were born there and they never told me? But you know the thing about Minnesota is famous for the hot dip, right am I? Right? Yeah? Oh yeah, what's your hot dish? You know. You gotta have a hot I don't know it full of hot dish. Okay, let's go on. We have got all kinds of folks all over the freaking planet who we're weighing in with us this week, A lot of fans.

11:20 First of all, I'm going to say hello to Christiania Tiana from Brittany, France. Phenomenal spot on the western coast there just south of the UK. Absolutely amazing, spectacular place. With one one squints across the English Channel and can see it. And we've got all kinds of flashy stars and live long and prosper hand signs from Christiana there, so it's great to hear from you. Thanks so much for checking out our podcast and being a fan of all things trek. Place that's had many names in the course of its time. It has been uh referred to as the Boss for us. It's been home to the chariot races. It's been absolutely astonishing place with many relics, many tremendous mosques. Of course we're talking about Istanbul, which is just an amazing part and amazing historical center of Europe, and we're saying hello to our friend Hassan bai Han in Istanbul. There absolutely amazing. I think that some of our isn't there, at least one rather hearsuit member of the podcast team that's been to Istanbul. I'm trying to remember, is that you Eric.

12:41 It is I have been to Istanbul and it was literally my favorite city I have ever been to. I've never met friendlier people, I've never seen cooler places than some of the bazaars there. I've never been inside cooler buildings than some of the mosques there. It is a mad, gold, magical city that if you have not been there, I cannot recommend it enough. Constantinople back in the day, right you know that, It's why did Constantinople get the works. It's nobody's business but the Turks. Fantastic and moving on, flag proudly flying. We have our friend Tanya Ivanova from Sofia. Sofia, of course, is the capital of Bulgaria. Absolutely amazing place surrounded by mountain sides, absolutely amazing, incredible place in Southeast Europe. There famous for its national Opera among many other cultural landmarks. There, so tremendous place. Great to hear from you, Tanya, Thanks for being a fan. And then back over the UK, We're going to go over there in saraf and grayon Kearny in Belfast, Northern Ireland. Falcon Hans salutes proudly displayed from Ireland to France is simple to Welgaria. We have all kinds of star Trek fans everywhere, proving once again that we have so much that unites us across this world.

14:12 It's amazing to celebrate our many similarities and let them be stronger than our differences, right uncle Jim. Absolutely, And I'm going to continue on by saying hello and thank you for being a fan of Hank Kazinski, who's listening to us in Boston, Massachusets. Thank you, Hank. We also want to say hello and thank you to top contributor Jane c dia Gardie, who's in sez that she was born in New York City but now is in central Connecticut. Thank you, Jane. We also want to say hello and thank you to Brian Ferry who's in Florida.

14:52 I hope you weathered the storms and came out just fine. And last, but not least, we want to say thank you to Emily gr who's a top contributor from Atlanta. Maybe next year. Maybe next year, Emily. And that, my friends, wraps up all of our Star Trek Fans shout outs. You can go to our Facebook page Trek Talking Podcast and maybe you will be featured in a future fan shout out. You know what time it is, man, you know what that music means. It's once again time to put on your thinking caps and join us for Star Trek Trivia time with Uncle Jim.

15:33 All right, guys, so I like to put poles up on our Facebook page. And we haven't had a poll because last week we had a guest. So here's my first poll question in Strange New World's episode Under the Cloak of War? Did Doctor m Benga murder Ambassador Doc Ra? So what do you think, Yes, he murdered him or no it was self defense? Well, sixty four son of our fans said yes, he murdered him, and thirty six percent said no, it was self defense. What do you guys think? Ooh, I like this one.

16:13 I think that it's like, personally, I believe that we were led to believe that he did kill him. I mean it was a little bit mysterious because it was sort of like, you know, he sees the knife, blah blah blah, they cut away, they come back, and all of a sudden, the knife is in the chest of the Klingon and all we have is in Benga's word that the Klingon attacked him and he had to sort of defend himself. So I don't know, man, I think in Benga did what he felt like he needed to do, which I think is kind of one of those like interesting aspects of Strange New Worlds versus other star trek It seems like in Strange New Worlds, you know, I don't know, maybe maybe starfleet members are a little bit more likely to make immoral decisions every now and then because they're just human, you know, I don't.

17:00 Know, we need to put on a Surlock Holmes hat. Yeahs. And the next thing it could have not have been him clearly. Well, I think that's what makes that episode so good is because they of the way they leave the ending. Yeah, you know, I mean, the best Star Trek is ambiguous Star Trek always so. And I'm I'm in the camp that he murdered him. Absolutely. I think I think m Benga definitely killed the guy because the guy's been living off and Benga's uh feats, I mean, and Benga's the one that killed all the Klingons to get to him, and he's been marching around telling everybody he killed his own soldiers to escape, which wasn't true at all, so he had no honor to begin with.

17:50 Well it's true, but but like, if you want to start getting into it, it's not in Benga's job to actually like punish the dishonor of the Klingon. And in fact, the thing On had actually been doing some good things for you know, the galaxy as a whole there, and then Benga sort of shut that down by his accidental stabbing. So to speak. He tripped and fell on the knife, and all that happens. You know, theotional dampers weren't working. And oh Jesus, you know it just happened. Said they They agreed right that. It was murder. Yeah, sixty four percent said it was murder. Yeah, I think it was. It was a time travel thing. Yeah, he's not actually dead.

18:34 David's explanations either fall into two categories, one time traveler or two doughnuts lots of nuts, or or trebles. Actually, sorry, I forget about troubles there and. The trible. I'm a big hot pile, complicated mess. It's all right. So our next question, Our next trivia question was Resistance is Futile? What is your favorite tyng Borg episode? We had Descent, q who best of both worlds and Iborg so coming in and last place was Descent with two percent. Then we had q who with sixteen percent, which was tied with Iborg at sixteen percent, and number one with sixty six percent best of both worlds.

19:30 Does that surprise you? You know, it would actually be interesting to poll best of both worlds out of this pole and then see what people say, because I certainly think that episodes like Iborg deserves more than sixteen percent of any Borg pole, so to speak. I just think Best of Both Worlds has that iconic like two pardness to it. It's got the iconic like transition from part one to part two. I mean, there's a lot of Borg stuff going on in that episode. If you just if you just sort of take out the movie esque nature of that episode and you look at some of the idiosyncrasies of some of these other Borg episodes, I think they deserve better. That's my opinion.

20:11 Yeah, I kind of you who was kind of one of my favorites. I remember watching that over and over and over and over when it when it first came out, trying to wrap my head around the Borg. I loved that episode. But I mean Iborg, I. Think it's fantastic. I mean it's got like that that whole like I'm breaking the mold, you know, aspect to it with you and whatnot, and uh, it's really special. His relationship with the whole crew. Yeah, I don't know. I love it, And. They did. They did. Yeah, that's when Hard wanted to He wanted to infect the Borg and kill them all and commit genocide and guind and talked him out of it. That was a good episode, very good episode. And my final question, my final poll question was I'm sure this will cause a heated debate, which it did. The Klingons have always changed with each new series or movie. What look is your favorite?

21:15 Now this one I was surprised by. So we have tos shoe polished, handlebar mustache look that came in with five percent of the vote. Then we go to Star Trek Demotion picture look, which also came in with five percent of the vote, which I was surprised. But what really surprised me was that the Kelvin Timeline also came in. With five percent of the vote. So you know, all those Klingons came in tides as five percent. Was a really surprised But the bigger surprise, the one that really shocked me, was the Discovery Klingons came in second place with nine percent of the vote, and of course the TNG Turtleheads came in top with seventy six percent. But the fact that Discovery outscored all of them really surprised me because I thought Discovery, with all the bitching and moaning from everybody, was going to be way down there, but it outscored everything except for teeng.

22:25 Which you know. This is one of those areas where I feel like, maybe in the future we will have even better makeup technology that will allow the look of a Discovery Klingon without the limitations that I feel like we suffered from those Klingons. I think the biggest complaint that people had about Discovery Klingons, aside from you know, the houses and like whatever you think about the plot and the actual writing of it, but like in terms of the look of them and the actual performance of them, I think some of the actors had a hard time talking through all that makeup. You know, the teeth are limiting, They.

23:06 Were difficult to understand. They were difficult to understand. Yeah, I think that's where the engagement broke down for people, because it's like, I think they when you really think about it objectively, I mean, they really did kind of look cool and badass, and you cannot critique their vehicles. I mean, the ships looked amazing, right, and they did a lot of cool stuff that that was really interesting. But you know when or yeah, I mean it's just like everyone just tunes out instantly. I mean, I remember that everybody I talked to at the same reaction. Right, My question is, how do you differentiate TMG kling on makeup from the motion picture makeup? There's virtually no difference. Well, it's I think it's true. I think TMP is when we see the first of the like ridged head klingons.

23:51 I think it's probably just the kind of like standardized ridge versus the look. You know, you kind of think about what's his name from TMP, Cork or one of those guys. He's got kind of like the almost like cylindrical ridge that goes up his head versus the what I'll call the mountain peak ridge of the turtle heads. You know what I mean. I think, yeah, I kind of agree with Paul there, but I get what you're saying, Eric, But actually I thought the ridges were determined to clean on houses of their family. That's why they look different. But I believe Paul was saying was that they're from the same year, right, give a take.

24:32 And yet the way. Prosthetics a prothetics it about. Ten years away. I mean, okay, Era, I mean. They were both the ones. It's like motion picture pioneered the whole use of like the weird foreheads, right, and g took that did the same thing, ran with it a little bit better, making technology. They look it's the same look. I mean, there's really no differentiation. I mean, so that would you argue that the Kelvin one is just a natural evolution of that or I mean. I don't think Kelvin one is just kind of like like a lot of things and those movies different for the sake of being different. Yeah, right, It's just like, you know, it's like, yeah, I mean when they're just trying to do it and the design guys have to feel they have to do something to make it different, right, but it's just like con the same. It's I I find the Discovery Klingons way more distinctive than usual. It's like, if you're gonna do something different, that's different, but it still feels very alien and weird. The you know, the Kelvin Klingons very underused, and I think it's like it's like you almost have to go, oh, yeah, there were Klingons in the Kelvin movies. Weren't there. It's like because they barely were even in there.

25:42 Well, that just goes to say that the people who voted on these cleanon ridgards. You can say that you've got a lot of listeners who are fans of the TG Yeah. Wow, clearly, clearly but fun to talk about. Yeah, totally. Well, they are riginally and the starts with the motion picture technical manuals. The reason why the Klingons and the motion picture you've never seen klingons with that look ever again, because that was supposed to be an extension of their spine that wrapped up around their head. And they that's why all the Klingons in the motion picture look exactly the same. The cylinder heads. Yeah, and then when they moved on after the motion picture, they dropped that completely and went to the turtle head.

26:31 I call it the turtle head. Turtle or the dinosaur head. Yeah, and that's what they used for the next fifteen years. But that's why the that's why I put the motion picture Klingon in there, because different design. In Discovery we have the Sydney Opera House forehead. Building. It's like the layered look it up. It's it's like the the layers that nest within of lobster. Lobster you know, there you go. Yeah, So that's that's why I put the motion picture kling on in there. So if you guys want to vote in these polls, that's great, head over to our our face Truck Talking podcast and be heard. Let your vote be heard, okay, And we don't take mail in votes.

27:26 It has to be in person. You have to go there and do it in person on the Facebook page. So go and do that and record your vote. I have all kinds of fun and interesting polls up there. All right, Well, that wraps up our polls and now it's time for Charles. So this is our cadet training section. And this is where Charles goes at and goes through all of the Start archives and pulls out all kinds of great and interesting episodes that tie into the episodes that we're about to discuss on the podcast.

28:11 Thank You. Jim had a list for the first two episodes and kind of like, okay, I'll do a summary of the two parter. But in the first episode, Kerry reminded me of DS nine's What We Left Behind. He's in seven, episode twenty five when they went to do the raid on the planet during the Dominion War, where one group tried to go into the planet to save them, and I think we got that same thing again in the two parter. We've also got dnng's Chain of Command season sixth, episode ten and eleven, which was the raid on the Dominion planet and the Card being captured. Ah, when we had Wesley, we talked about neuropeptide, which wasn't the first time we've used the term. It was used once in DAS nine's Rapture season five, episode ten, and five different episodes of Voyager. Of course, with the Doctor, we've got the traditional I'm a doctor and not a still in the blank. And then with a two parter, a few things that came up to mind, especially the ending, was reminding about Prodigy season one, kind of rehashing things that happened there, and then with what was happening was

29:43 started Academy and the Federation combined in multiple things. I thought about the novel The Last Best Hope, which was the prequel to The Cards, using one the short Track, which was occurring at the same time they were looking at it when Mars got attacked, which all leads into Percard's season one, and we kind of get a clue what happened in season one with Pericard resigning because of We're not rescuing the ramiun planet anymore, and then one more fun one in there they snuck in. I went to Pricard season three with what happened to Beverly Crusher. Well, we got a little prequel of that when Wesley got to see his mom and indirectly got to see his brother.

30:45 Those are some of the stuff I pulled out from these four episodes. But I bet Eric would love to talk about what our fans thought about these episodes. I would love to talk about what our fans thought about these episodes. So what do you think, guys? Do you want to do these? Do you want to give all scores at the same time or should we go like one, two and then a finale and kind of do them separately. Yeah, let's do them one at a time. That way Paul can give us a recap of each one. There we go, all right, So here we go. So on a scale one to ten, people thought that episode was eighteen. No, seventeen, Brink. They gave it five, and an eight point five is a very respectable score. I will say that we've had an awful lot of episodes this season that have reached that eight range, and just a couple that have fallen below that, But eight point five is I guess I would guess about average for what we've seen, which feels to me like it's performing strongly. Right, Yeah, So there you go. That's the fan score for Brink.

32:00 So who wants to take the first? So, Paul, do you have like a summary? Forest then buddy, you want like a recap? Yeah, give us a recap for Brink. Okay, So we'll just do Brink individually. Okay, Yeah, let's start there, and we'll kind of to not get two down in the weeds here because we have a lot of stuff to get through, so I'm just try to, you know, blow through it if I can. So the Brink starts at the flashback about how Asensia originally got a hold of Wesley Crusher trying to stabilize the wormhole. Wesley intervenes, right, and then we end up having a brief conversation Jane Way and her officers trying to discuss. What to do about Essensia. Gwinn volunteers right to try to help by going behind enemy lines to collect intel about Essensia, And that's kind of like the backbone of this particular episode, right. She also wants to rescue Ilserod you know who's her father, to be right, and maybe give him asylum. Meanwhile, the cadets are all outside the conference room eavesdropping when they hear all this, Right, Migel resign finds out a nova squadron so they can all stay together. And then they all beamed down to solom all right to do this infiltration mission. And there'd been some preliminary talk earlier about how important it would be not to lose site to site transporter ability. Right, So they go down to Sole them and all of those Dreadnock robots. Right, everyone remembers Dreadnock from season one, Right, there's a lot of robots that are sort of you know, catered in his image. But the cadets have this cloaking field that to me is like exactly like.

33:28 Harry Potter. Said, completely, I was just like, I mean, even the way it was shot was a visibility cloak like, right, So I thought that was pretty funny, so but but kind of charming, all right. And then the cadets get a coded message from Ilthern's last position, all right, and up in Iltheron's lab there is a white Dreadnock robot, which is interesting, and Essensia is up there waiting for them, but it's not Essensia, it's her younger self, a more innocent and and good version of her, and younger Essensia has been helping Ilterron organize this resistance movement. Young Essensia explains that her older self has captured Wesley and now they have a choice to make about who to rescue il Thron or Wesley, and so they decide that that's not a good choice, that kind of thing, right, They're going to split up and try to do both so that both of them are worth rescuing, though they only have one site to site transporter. Dal has it, Gwynn does not, So Gwynn is counting on Wesley being able to transport them. It's kind of rolling the dice there, having a hunch that he'll be able to pull a card out of his sleeve. Right, they ambush the guards and entered the facility, Right, and you've got Dal, Assensia, Jenkin, Pog and Magel there to rescue Ilseron.

34:49 Right. Then on the other half of the mission, you've got Gwynn, rock Zero and Murph breaking into their facility and there's a whole buttload of guards, right, and there's just guards everywhere. But they find Wesley, okay, and Wesley says he's guided the Sensia back to invent the tech that they needed to create the wormhole. They need to send the protostar back. What. Yeah. And if you think that's a lot of chatty kathy timey wimy stuff, just wait till we get to the finale. So you're saying that Wesley was planning everything my head all time. And then an escapeout is revealed, and then Wesley is freaked out that the group's separated. He goes, like, never ever separate, right, That is like a huge thing for them that this group, the Cadets almost stay together.

35:39 And now because of that separation, all of Wesley's plans are now very uncertain. Gwynn shouldn't have split them up. Don and the others show up as prisoners of Essensia. Dun Du Dudu Dal throws the site to site transporter and beams both il Thron and Asensia back up to Voyager. That's pretty much what we in this episode. So again, this is brink that we're talking about, and the core of it really is seeing Gwynn lead this intelligence gathering infiltration team down to see what's going on on the planet. And so that's what we've got, kind of short condensed.

36:22 You know, the plot doesn't really advance a ton, but we get a little bit of backstory revealing as far as Wesley and seeing what's been going on with these different iterations and time variable versions of essensia. Thoughts, gentlemen, do you want me to give it a number or should we all go around and discuss first, or how do you want to do this? Just well, let's discuss it one at a time and then figure out I mean, do you want to discuss your your opinions first. I thought this is a pretty decent episode. I generally liked it. It didn't really advance the plot a lot, right, and there weren't a lot of really super moving character moments. For me, it kind of was just, you know, a lot of it seemed like, you know, that they had a certain number of episodes they wanted to do, and I feel like we do kind of fall into a little bit of a trap sometimes. I feel this season where we are unnecessarily complicated right where there's just a whole lot of permutations of possible things happening, and the plot's a little more baroque than I think it needs to be, right to the point that you're kind of like, you know, like when you're dog's trying to figure out if it's time.

37:29 To go out or not. You're tipping your head on one side. You're kind of like, do I understand what's happening right now? I'm not sure if I do. I got lost there. Who are we looking for again? And what time is it? And what's happening? And then eh, yeah, So I mean there's some moments like that, right, But but I generally liked it, right I would. I would say my grade for this episode, you know, and I'd like to judge all of the Prodigy episodes against other Prodigy episodes, right, So that's the thing, right, I still find it very entertaining. I would give it a I'm comfortable giving it an eight. I think eight out of ten. That's not so bad. Yeah, I mean the invisibility cloak cracked me up, and I was immediately I rewound it and pulled my wife into the room and showed a jars like, look, it's Harry Potter in the star Trek.

38:21 But did I maybe the way that we're sort of like trickle watching all the episodes made me forget, what did young Essensia? Had we seen her before? Did I? Yeah? I don't think so, Yes, I don't know. She appeared earlier in the season. She did, Yeah, tell me more she. I'll go ahead and Charles. That's how Sensi approved that she was her. She was her because she found her younger self, got evidence that she's who she's claimed to be. Okay, I forgot that when I watched this episode, so all of a sudden, I was like, who the heck is young Assension? Where did she come from?

39:10 Yeah? Okay, But upon like a second watch, if I was like binging the season, I'd probably pick up on that straight away. I got that. I loved some of the gag work in this one, like the it was like a Weekend at Bernie's moment where they're like the guard is unconscious and they're like, you know, moving him around, like we can we get I don't know. I just thought that was hilarious. I love that, so I did. I did like that they described how Wesley got captured, because you know, I think all along We've been thinking this guy's a traveler, like, how do you catch a traveler? And it turns out you just shoot him in the back when they're.

39:51 Not looking at it. A little less sophisticated than maybe I wanted it to be, but we understand now how he got captured. I did like that it ended in sort of a cliffhanger, you know, Wesley does the I don't know what happens next at the very end. So I'm kind of with. Paul, like, episode didn't knock my socks off, but I enjoyed it well enough. I am not afraid of decimals. I was going to go a little bit lower than Paul went. I was going to give this one like a seven point five. If I was a decimal guy, i'd probably do the same thing. Yeah, you know, I probably would, but I'm not, and I tend to, like, you know, prefer the round up, you know, if I can, unless something really pisses me off.

40:39 So I totally get where you're coming from. I think it's totally legit. Well, I thought. My big question was how in the hell did she capture Wesley in the first place? And I brought this up a couple of episodes ago when we found out that she had Wesley, and then we find out all along it was we orchestrated the whole thing. He himself be captured, set the whole thing in motion. He told them to stay together and he you know, he had the whole thing planned out, so that that vindicated you know what I said about her capturing him previously. So I thought that was pretty cool. But you know, I'm kind of with Paul. I mean, there wasn't much in this episode to move things along. It was kind of like a like a I want to say, a filler episode, but yeah, it just kind of felt, you know, blah. So, yeah, I'm gonna go with Eric, but I think I'm gonna go with a seven point six, you know, just to just to.

41:50 There. Yeah, just a seven point six, yeah, because I know it would. Have taken to move you up to a seven point seven. The real question, Paul is what would it have taken to move him up to a seven point six y five? Because oh god, I don't want to live in the world. Wow, it's been jumping out of the plane. I don't know, Paul, that Paratruy might only have point behalf of the person. Counting on am counting on a field of wheat or a lake to I can't handle it well, risk David.

42:30 Yeah, I. I I kind of liked this episode mainly because I had a lot to do with how Wesley got captured, because I was actually curried myself. Was U Drim right? Did he actually plan it all the way through? Which, congratulations Drim you were right. So to me, I was actually looking forward to seeing what transpired, And actually I kind of agree with kind of the idea that it didn't move it forward very much, but I think it moved a little bit, okay, zero point five higher of the plot forward than everybody else was like saying it didn't really move it. But to me, I'm thinking that this episode, I don't know. I mean, I actually did not think of Harry Potter when the cloaking field came down, because we've had cloaking field around people before, like in Deep Base nine when Clark was stealing the clean on cloaking device and the boat of play, right.

43:30 But when people sneaking into a building and they're all underneath it, the same Blanke get together kind of a thing different. It was an object that was cloaked, Yeah, it doesn't necessarily show the. Grape or the globe of the cloak field. Sure again, Actually I imagine it would have been about the same thing. What happened there was like it showed a little shimmery field of the cloaking field around there. Yeah, totally did Yeah, uh yeah, I don't know. To me, I just felt like it was kind of like the same idea that they you that idea before. I just like Harry Potter did not pop into my mind at all.

44:14 I was just like, yeah, okay, So to me, I don't know, this episode seems a lot more which the word uh interesting, can I chees would freaking yeah, I guess. So yeah. Yeah. For the sake of time, I'm just gonna go ahead and give my score and say I'm gonna give this episode a seven point five. Here we go. Okay, so Paul's got the high score so far.

44:55 You know, yeah, we're all saying the same thing right now. Well, okay, a couple of things that threw in here. I may note about seeing this reminding me once again about the Dominion War, but this was This was also an interesting episode because the first time the Progy's use a flashback then and we ended up using it for this one and the next episode, but that we have a flashback and like, okay, let's go back in time and show what really happened, show how Wesley did get captured. Well, I thought that was an interesting way of kind of looking at what happened before to explain it.

45:44 And I didn't. I thought it wasn't Jim that was talking about Wesley's redemption. I thought it was Paul who said, unless something comes up, I'm not going to be happy about what they do. Why he took the story of that direction, But I think I. Definitely said that. Okay, I thought it was Paul. May have been Jim, but I'm gonna bump this one a little bit up from Paul and given eight point two whoa. Which seven point eight? Seven point and our fans gave it a lot.

46:33 Eight point five. Yeah, okay, so we're we're lowered than the fans. That's cool, Yeah, I think, but I you know, it would be I wish I could speak to the fans, right because I wonder what their criteria was. I tend to be with Paul, like I evaluate each episode against you know, the last in the season and stuff. So anyway, uh. I think because I think because we got this as a mass instead of been a week by week, we didn't really get the fan input that we really wanted to see, Right. I think when we start doing lower decks weekly, I think we'll get more actual fan reaction.

47:21 But you know, well, speaking of fan reaction, I think we should move on to Touch of Gray. So on a scale of one to ten, our Facebook fans thought Touch of Gray was an eight point four, which is only one tenth lower than the last episode. So, Paul, can you hit us with us summary for Touch of Gray? Absolutely, dude. Okay, here we go. So the Proto Star crew is behind enemy lines on solo, right, and we have a little character development scene where Zakota and Janeway are talking about life retirements the past, and Wesley again emphasized the fact that he doesn't seem to know what's going to happen next. Right, and Iltron and Asensia are in sick Bay and Wesley seems in pretty bad shake.

48:08 He truly, truly does seems like he's pretty messed up from his encounter there. Essensia a sense of broadcast showing her prisoners on their way to the prison transport and basically daring Janeway to come confront her, not getting all you know, getting her you know, come at me, bro kind of moment. Right, So Janeway organizes an away team and Gwynn feels guilty for making the wrong decision, the wrong choice, right, And then we cut over the Janeway crusher, the doctor and Chacote in a Soleom shovel. Dal and all the cadets here meanwhile, are in an ancient Soleom city and Essensia has brought them there to face a loom intended to erase them all right, So it's it's kind of like almost like sacrifice sacrificial moment, right. But then Geral Janeway turns herself into Essensia basically ostensibly. You know that's always a good move, right. You want to be able to get close enough to kill your enemy, you surmend her to them, right, So she turns herself in ostensibly to negotiate for the prisoners, and it's really creating a distraction for Jacote and Wesley, right, And there's something weird about the loom. The loom seems kind of freaked out, right, and Zero senses fear and loneliness out of the loom. And then real crazy. Okay, another one of these fake out moments, right, Essensia shoots Janeway, except before you spill your coffee, it wasn't Janeway. It turns out it was the doctor emh impersonating Janeway, Thank goodness.

49:44 So there you go. They free the Loom, right then Wesley brings the shuttle to them in remotely so everybody can escape, right ilfen Ron broadcasts to the people to rise off against Essensia, using his catchphrase that you're very familiar with since season one. There is no barrier we cannot overcome. And Gwynn is very grateful for the rescue. Feeling is that they still need to finish what they started, and Jane Way agrees. So basically the whole concept of this episode was just Janeway's plan to liberate her crew from Messensia's prison, where they've been you know, trapped with this you know, angry and fearful captive from the Loom. Right, So there you have it. And I don't know, I kind of found this very similar in terms of I was kind of waiting for the big stuff, right if you will, right as I had a kind of similar reaction that I did to Brink. I thought it was a good episode.

50:43 It was well done. I thought it advanced things a little bit. I thought it was pretty decent. But for me, it was like most of the and it's just it's always very entertaining to watch this show. Think, I just want to take a second and talk about that. Right, it's like confusing as the plot goes and whatnot, just sitting back and watching it. It's seldom sits still from with a minute, right, I mean they keep plot moving quickly and there's a lot of transitions, right, and things are happening all the time, and sometimes you're having to like wait a second, what just happened, and then just you're onto the next thing, right, So it can be really difficult sometimes to keep track of everything that's happening in a linear way, especially with the way they're messing around with time. So much is this season, right, and people are split up into different subgroups. But it's always entertaining, right, And you got to give some big MVP awards I think to the Janeway and to Chacote, Right, I think that they really step up and just do a phenomenal job.

51:49 I think of kind of galvanizing the vibe if you will. I think they just really are entertaining, and Janeway particular is just you get two versions of Janeway, which is great, right because of Hola Janeway. And I just think it's a really entertaining show, despite you know the fact that sometimes they're like, well there's a lot really happened in this episode that really you know, grab me emotionally or moved me or was this kind of entertaining fun action and that's okay? I think so. I thought that was all right again kind of you know, moving us along. It's it's almost like one of the old styles. I don't know if anybody else but near overs the old style serial kind of not cereal that you eat, but like the old movie cereals out of like the that they used to have like in the in the forties and fifties. Right, I'm not that old, but I remember seeing them like it's basically what Buck Rogers and Flash Gordon, right, if anyone's ever seen those old the old serial type of storytelling, right, which is why the inspiration for Star Wars was where you just have okay, and then this week we're gonna go here and then this exciting things are gonna happen, and there's gonna be cliffhanger and I'm not really sure what's gonna Oh my god. And then next week right, moving at a fast, breakneck pace, and so it has the feeling of those old serial melodramas a lot, right, which is really kind of fun. So even though I, you know, I don't think that a whole lot of ground was broken here, I still felt, Okay, we are accelerating, We're moving towards what's gonna be the conclusion next week, right, the big finale. So I'm going to give it the same grade that I gave a Brink. I would give

53:20 this one an eight, right, I think engaging fun, more entertaining than frustrating. But I'm ready for things to escalate into a little bit more of a climactic place in terms of the plot. So an eight for me, Eric. Yeah, So I this one like grabbed me from the beginning because I felt like the Jane way, you know, thinking about her past and doubting herself and all that kind of stuff felt very much like the beginning of the cage for me, and the whole like Christopher Pike, like going back and thinking about his time as a captain and you know, feeling like he's kind of been beat up by the world and that sort of thing.

54:08 So I liked the beginning of this episode quite a bit. I will agree that I think Kate mulgrew and Robert Beltran are actually both totally knocking it out of the park from here on out, I mean, throughout the entire season, but like in particular, these last few episodes I thought were great. I like, I think some of just the little uh touches to fun stuff here and there. For example, you know, Hologram Janeway sort of fan bloying over the Doctor, which I think is very appropriate given that Holograham Janeway is very quickly turning into you know, I mean a doctor ish character, one that's a hologram that's been on for a long time, that's been evolving along the way, that has grown emotional attachments to it's crew and that sort of stuff. So I like the development a little bit of the Hologram Janeway thing here. I also think that rock Talk sort of fan bling over Wesley is really cute in this episode. You know, I mean, she's a scientist, and obviously, before Wesley was a traveler, he was basically just like an uber nerd who could solve any problem. And that's that's pretty much rock talk role on the show. So I love the connection of those two characters. So yeah, you know, it's scary when the Loom starts like executing a bunch of people here. You know,

55:40 you got a revolt by the people of solom in this episode. So I liked this episode just a little bit better than the last one. You know, I don't I don't think this is like top form Prodigy, but I felt like it just kind of moved the ball a little bit forward, and you can tell that it's accelerating the pace to our last two episodes. You know that you could say that this one is kind of the pen ultimate episode, given that the last two sort of worked together as a as one episode. So I'm gonna give this one. Mm yeah, a solid eight, solid eight. I thought this one was pretty good and I enjoyed it quite a bit.

56:21 So, okay, well that's cool at eight. Well I liked this one too. I thought this was a fun one. I really liked the doctor when he said that I'm a doctor, not a what did he say, spy? What did he say? And he says, I'm not a not a covert operative. That's it. I was like, you know, I was cracking up. I really liked the Doctor. That was that was funny. I did you know, so a Sinsia captured Wesley and we learned how the hell did you capture a noon? I mean, no one knows, no one knows the loom exists, but she captures one. I'm like, really that kind of that kind of bugged me a little.

57:12 Bit, like like future tech and stuff, right, I mean that, yeah, ways, so we don't understand I. Guess I yeah, that seemed a little weird to me. But I really did like Chakota and I really liked Let's go back to the holographic doctor. His his his big death scene. I was crashing up when he was when he was dying. You guys, did you guys ever see Buffy the Vampire Slayer the movie? Oh heck yeah? When when that when the head vampire dies and he gets staked in the heart and then after the credits roll, he's still dying. That's what it reminded me of. I was just like the Doctor and his death scene. I was cracking up. I thought it was great. Yeah, Chakota and Janeway were great in this episode. Holograham, Janeway was great.

58:13 You know this this episode is definitely moving, moving towards the end, and uh, I enjoyed it again. You know, I'm gonna go with I'm gonna go with an eight point one because I gotta throw those decimals in there for Paul. I gotta do it. It just has to happen. Keeping the arbitrary alive, baby. Ye got it, gotta do it. Got now, if they didn't have the death scene with the doctor, I might have bumped it down to an eight. But the death scene, that's your point one right there, right. There there, we can hold out. That's it, all right? What do you think, David Well?

58:56 I do agree with Paul on the idea that the you know, the whole old movie scenes and stuff, because I'm not that old, but I do have a little bit of touch of gray this saying. But the. The whole loom thing kind of threw me off as well. That whole and then when Zero starts feeling like, oh, lonely and you know, it's depressed or whatever, and I'm like, for one, this monster or this being, I guess you could say, is supposed to be from a different dimension who apparently has no emotion at all when it comes to destroying everything and causing everything to disappear, And I'm like, are they even on the same telepathic wavelength? It's the idea that it was supposed to be a different dimension.

59:49 It was just like, I don't know if telepaths should be able to sense anything like that. So to me, I was like that whole loom thing kind of this, yeah, I don't know. That kind of threw my down a little bit for this episode, but yeah, Another thing I thought it was interesting was when the doctor was just guiding himself in January. I mean, who all here knew that was a twick right from the beginning, well. Not right from the beginning, but certainly after she got shot, I was like, okay, something's up. Yeah, I didn't expect it until she got shot. Okay, well maybe it was just me then, But then I was thinking this show was meant for young audience who haven't really experienced that twick in the book yet, so I was thinking, yeah, this probably might have been, you know, a send off to those young people who were like, you know, a way to get them into Star trek to let them know that this kind of thing exists as a twick. So, I mean, it's one of the oldest trips in the books. So I was just like, Okay, yeah, I knew that was a thing, but to me, I was just like, that whole idea was just to me. I don't know, it's something about it that just felt very what's the word uh I got on tip of my tongue.

1:01:13 It's the cheesy. It felt cheesy, No. Pictable, it would very This episode was very predictable for me for some reason. But yeah, I don't know. My number probably sunk a lot in this episode. It's not that I didn't like it. I enjoyed it. It was just that when it comes to predictabilities, to me, that kind of stuff just kind of takes me out of the loop. So to me, I'm gonna give this one a seven just because of those few topics. And I was like, okay, so yeah.

1:01:57 I think around of the kabooth and okay, I just circles us right back to Charles. All right. I did like the technobabble with the neuropeptides driving Wesley. I also like some jim Ury took my operative comment how the doctor reacted while trying they were trying to land the shuttle, and how the doctor was trying to make it I guess, sort of small talk with the security team while trying to land. So we get a little bit of the doctor humor in there, which is why we get that co op covert operative, and everybody else's kind of covered most of what's in there. I will discuss how can it fency you do this? Well, that's one of my keynotes in the next two episodes.

1:02:59 I think she says, well. You know, I was gonna say, Charles. One of the other things we didn't talk about in this episode was just what it was like to have an episode where Wesley didn't have his powers at all. Yeah, like the whole episode. Yeah well I yeah, Well. When he talks about the previous episode that I don't know what's going to happen and repeats the story now where it's like, Okay, I don't know what's going on, there is no plan, It's like, I like, I like that Wesley in this episode, Wesley's in the dark. I like that, Well I could do this, And Janeway looked at him, it's like you were a promising all promising officer back in your time.

1:03:56 And that. Okay, and he comes up with an idea. I love Jane Way's idea of well how about we blast the door by rewiring my combadge. That's definitely a creativity part with her. But she boosts up. Wesley, trying to get Wesley into the now, which brings up some interesting character development for him. I think with that, I think that's going to bump my score up a bit.

1:04:38 Thank you, Eric, I think I'll go with an eight point four seven point nine. For this episode. Just a smidgeon higher, figeon higher, just a smidgeon, all right, we'll thank Our last episode is our Oboros Parts one and two, which is Jim the season finale, correct, correct, it is the season So our. Our fans went bonkers on this one, you guys. So our fans gave the last two episodes of this season a combined score of nine point four. And I will say that nine point four is the second highest score of any episode this season. It ties episode four, uh, and it is only point one behind the season opener and the third episode.

1:05:38 There. People just really liked how season two. Opened, but. Tie episode four. Episode four was a nine point seven, we gave it a nine point four. Oh sure, there you go. Okay, so so there you go. So but it's right up there. Nine point four is third most popular episode there it is? Is this a nine point four for both episode or that splitting the half to. Like that. As one, which is actually how we're going to give our scores as well. So we should probably start with the old summary hit it, Paul recap.

1:06:19 All right, let's get into it, and there's a lot to talk about, so we'll just go right through. So, first of all, let's educate the universe here or boros basically, in case you forgot, it's an ancient symbol and it depicts a snake or sometimes a dragon eating its own tail. Okay. It originated in the ancient Egyptian and Greek iconography and the ideas. It's representing the internal psycholope, destruction and rebirth, the idea that things never really disappear, but instead they change form, and it can represents the chaos it surrounds an ideally structured world and rejuvenation. I think it's important to keep that meaning in mind, especially as we talk about how this episode wraps itself up. So we begin our good pal a super stable villainous Essensia is very upset because the city is uprising against us. They actually like where where? Yeah, they have the semerity. It's a demand that they'd be peace with Starfleet.

1:07:24 You know. So, and she just decides she's again she's chewing the scenery like this note tomorrow. She wants to open up a bunch of different wormholes, right, and that's how she's going to do it, right, But the risk is that it's going to tear apart the fabric of all subspace. And then she's like, you know, getting into her scenery chewing villainous mode. Here she says the enemies can join the Federation. It is then commer places though Janeway is detecting all of these subspace rifts and that they all lead to numerous star bases. Okay, and somewhat oddly, Wesley is not happy about this, right. He says, this is their chance to close the time. You can get the protostar back to tars Lamora and fix their dying timeline.

1:08:09 And Rock says, wait a second, they can use the rifts the sinse he have created to merge their energy and make a temporal wormhole and it would stop her invasion. They can sendorship to the past. Word belongs. Wow, there's a lot of this, right, I mean, it's just and if you're following now, good for you. Okay, that's great, but there is none of the rest of us are Yeah, because take about. Seven or eight temple mechanic one on one. Yeah, man, I read the cliff Notes version, dude, So it it is like, you know, twelve Doctor Who episodes thrown into a blender with a bunch of acid. Really is what's going on here? Right? And so uh again, the idea is that this plan that uh Wesley is surprisingly on board with, right, and that Rock has sort of re explained for us about how we could do it right. This is basically how we can set things right in common parlance. Right. The only risk is that if things aren't timed precisely exactly the way they should be, it would be basically like in Wesley's words, ringing the dinner bell for the loom.

1:09:12 Right. So, Chacote takes his cadet team to the Protostart preppit for it what will be its final voyage, and as Janeway reminds us to keep history intact, the ship must be exactly as it was, exactly as it was when they was originally found on Tarz Lamora. So Doll and Gwyn beam down with the team, and Gwen is feeling a little shaky due to what's happening with space time, so she's not in the most stable condition there. But they need to be able to get all the way up to a Sensia's research buyer to do what they need to do. So Janeway is attacking all of Asensia's orbital devices with a whole you know, felanx of quantum torpedoes.

1:09:56 Right. Meanwhile, Gwen and the gang need to climb up the equivalent of like twenty stories to get up to a Sensius control nexus. Right. This is where they have to be able to put in their information to do what they need to do. And then there's a really poignant little scene I found that I really like quite a bit between Hollo, Janeway and Chakota where they're kind of having a little like almost lover's quarrel, right, and as Janeway the hologram version of January realizing if they do what they need to do, she's basically likely to cease to exist, and I thought that was a great moment in this first episode. That was one of my favorite scenes. Like you were saying before, Holo, Janeway is just the bomb. I just think she's great. And the scenes with these two actors I just found delightful throughout the entire series. So the more of them I can get in this finale, the happier I'm going to be. And then there comes what, to me is the most super complicated recap of all the various different dates, the various different you know, versions.

1:10:55 Of all the shit all right there. Though, I mean it was complicated, but it was like, Okay, okay, if I just listen to this, I'm gonna get it all. Yeah, but it's like playing backgammon on top of the movie train. Dude, Hey, that can be done if you have a cloaking field. It was like, oh my god. It was just like into this happened to this, and I'm just listening all the different days, and I was like, I felt like I was getting a glimpse at the writer's room, you know, dry erase boards for a minute there, Like, Paul, just what you guys got all caught up in, right, and instead when what you really wanted to do was more more Jane Way scenes? Please? I just have a quick question for you, Paul. Do you watch the movie or the show with shub titles at all?

1:11:36 I do? Yeah, I do. Okay, yeah, I was just carding because they were all written right there. I was like, okay, no, I do. But it's just it's a lot, and it's just. Does that count as exposition when they sort of like just spend you know, three minutes just like explaining crap. It kind of does? Really? I mean, you know they're doing it. I don't know how necessary it all was in this case either. I mean, it's it's like because it's like, I mean, I watched subtitles a lot just because it helps me. I think, you know, see how the dialogue structured. I really enjoyed it. I do it with a lot of shows, right, But but to me, it's just like after that's over, right, is anyone gonna remember it? I'm not going to remember all those dates. No, So I would say that a lot of times. It's like if somebody's gonna forget it, you know, twenty five thirty seconds after that's been shown on screen? Was it really necessary? Right?

1:12:30 I don't know. So it's just something, but it was just really funny. I myself laughing during that montage. Can I just say that, like the one I guess exception to that, Paul, is that when you are weirdly idiosyncratic about dates and stuff like that, what it does is it opens the door for future writers to come in and plug in some weird shit that like fits into that. Right. Oh, truly, truly, truly, But it was a big recap and there were a lot of dates there were, So that's my that's my jumping off by right. But what's great is all that confusion led to an idea to do something with the plot, right, because there don't hung up on the whole idea that you know, Chacote has to send the protostar right, and Rock's like way the second because she's young and she has cool fresh ideas. Right, what if instead of sending Chakota sending the protostar, we do it right? And then they're like, so long as the final destination is the same that it's tars Lemora, and so long as the protostar shows up exactly the way it was originally, how it gets there maybe shouldn't matter.

1:13:36 And it's a pretty cool theory, right, and it's the theory that everyone kind of runs with, right, and so that's kind of their game plan. Meanwhile, back on the planet, darje And and Pog and all the others are climbing up to the top, but a sense the top, excuse me, but Essensias shoots at them, right, and the device and the console they were supposed to be able to use to put in the coordinates to make everything work correctly is destroyed. So now they've got to climb up even further to all of the transceivers up on the top of the research spire of Asensia to manually enter the coordinates. That's zero found exhausting. So while that's happening there, and there's this big, you know, kind of climactic climb in the tower moment, right, gwyn bravely says that she's going to face off again with Essensia, right, which is cool.

1:14:25 So this leads to another great, big fight between Gwynn and Essensia. And Gwynn always seemed outmatched, right, but she's very courageous and Essensia's got both of the artifacts right that she's using as her beard, you know, her big edged weapon to try to kill Gwynn. It's very dramatic, right, And then if things weren't bad enough, up their way, way way up near the top of the transceivers where the cordinates have to go in, right, there is a loose cable. It's preventing everything from working, and it's flying around like an electrical line in a you know, hurricane, causing all this problem and a lot of danger from temporal energy. Right. If you get hit by that thing, you're basically you know, toast. Uh. So, Doll decides he's got to climb up there and try to reconnect that cable. And meanwhile Murph is fighting off Dreadnock robot monsters. That's going on here. I mean, it's a lot of stuff happens very Bruce Willis action movie eighties style.

1:15:22 Right. Murph throws himself at Dreadnock and they fall, and but basically Murph lives and is able to bring up the Dreadnock skull as like a trophy. Doll connects the cable and reattaches it, but falls in the process. But of course, because he's just really super rubbery and really conveniently wherever he's needed to be, guess what, Murph grabs him and prevents so that you are really handy. You are. You are a utility belt guy. You never failed to let us down. So that's great. So the Cables restored, Gwinn's father and the other citizens all band together at this point and show up conveniently to send Gwynn there I will, which is really kind of a cool scene.

1:16:07 I like this. Basically they're sending this kind of like the energy of their souls in a very powerful thing to kind of help Gwynn push back against Essensia and saving her from being stabbed. And Gwynn not only reclaims the artifact, but she becomes momentarily kind of super powered, which is really cool, and she gets all this super energy, very comic book style. It's really cool. She's getting all this support and an extra energy from not only her father, but from like all of the other citizenry, who are basically saying, you know, sorry, Essensia. Like all tyrants, you must be defeated. Yes, I'm looking at you. First week of November. Like all tyrants, you must be defeated, no matter who the hell you think you are. So the Cadet team returns up to the protostar.

1:16:58 But then, oh, Wesley's all worried again. Whenever Wesley's worried, you know you have a problem. Is a signal coming in from the wormhole because guess what, earlier than we expected, here come the Loom. Oh my god. And that's how part one ends. So should we just jump right into part two? Yeah, so we're back now on sol I mean, yes, the Loom are coming, and totally surprisingly out of character for her, Essensi has a moment of recrimination what have I done? Right? Where she's like, you know, having actual regret for her actions. Right, and Jane Way becomes badass Janeway, Right, she's great. Gwynn beams backup to Voyagers just in time, and Jane Way raises the shields and they realize what they got to do. They got to send a protostar through the swarm infested. When I say swarm, I mean the Loom swarm, swarm infested wormhole, right, And Jakote says, I'll do it, I'll pilot it, and we're you know, being set up to think that he's going to make a self sacrifice moment, but no, the entire team of cadets wants to go with him and then they can all beam out of the last minute. That's the plan.

1:18:01 So they go in right, and they are flying past the loom, shields up, firing faces like crazy, and wow, there are a lot of loom, just a ton of them right, just coming out of there, like freaking New York cockroaches out of a you know, a you know, a kitchen retaining wall. It's nuts. So they're approaching the. Wormhole threshold right. And as this is happening, Dallas talking to Wesley, and Wesley explains that the reason the universe needs them altogether hasn't happened. Yet, what foreshadowing? And he says there are things yet to come, wondrous and terrible things, but that we'll have to wait and see. And things are really crazy, and but but how do we navigate and how we get through that wormhole threshold? Well, you know what, it turns out, we're gonna have to make calder O a good friend down in cetace Ops and they're gonna help us navigate this. And again, I have the whole concept when I'm looking at the ship and the outside, I'm like, where is the spot big enough inside it? Where these whales are being kept because it's like the tired. To me, I'm like, this seems like there would be a giant It's like, how do I have an Olympic sized swimming pool in my phone booth.

1:19:06 I don't quite understand where this giant. Whale is being I'll send you a section map. Well, it must be a really big ship. It must look a lot bigger than it does. It must be a lot bigger than it looks. Well, the activities that are Voyager, Remember, Paul, this Voyager has a crew of like eight hundred people I think, and the original Voyager had a crew of like one hundred and fifty people or like one hundred and eighty people or something like that. So this Voyager is significantly It's not like Enterprise d big, but it's it's good size ship. I still don't see where it would be. I mean, no, no, it's kind of cruel to the whale, just like Purble with shafts that we saw on Discovery.

1:19:46 Never heard that again Discovery roller coaster exactly. That was another thing. It was just like, how where the hell is this? It's like technology the size of like Detroit, and where the terrible lift is it's just not anyhow, moving on the protostars in the wormhole and they see these cool temporal echoes as the timeline is beginning to regenerate. Right, and wonderful moment again we find out that holographic Janeway has been copied into the EMH backup module. Yeah, that's the second chance she's gonna make it. She's gonna be saved, which is actually another really great moment because I was really feeling pretty bittersweet about the idea of losing that character. You couldn't kill her off. I mean, for the kids, you couldn't kill her off.

1:20:29 Right. It's bad enough that our good friends at Playmates Toys advertised that there would be a holographic Janeway figure for like what three years, and then rolled out at the last minute never produced it. So Holographic Janeway could have took one on the chin that way thanks to Playmates never fucking ponying up. So if she would have gotten you know, xed out in this universe here as well, and the dramatic units that are very upset. And I know that Aaron Walkey would agree with me, because I know we are both with like incomplete figure sets thanks to playmates. Thanks guys, Sorry, had to get that out. Never hold it in, guys, you have to let it out, all right, we do, so Jane Way is going to be okay, holographic Geenway. Now the team is preparing to beam out of the Protostar, but Dal hesitates before he leaves, and he remembers something and he takes off his com badge and he puts it on the captain's share yeap where it should be, and says, now we're ready, and then the team backs beams out all the way back to Voyager as the Protostar returns to tars Lemora with what I thought was a really cool and beautifully edited memory montage of all the highlights from everything that's come previously.

1:21:41 I thought it was really well done. It felt very dreamlike, kind of like one of those you know, your life flashing before your eyes kind of thing as they as they put out, and I thought it was really well done and really visual with some great moments and just reminds you what a you know what initially got you know, pigeonholed as being a kid show was so much more and it was a visually complex shows, just tremendous uh position, visual effects, and production design all the way through. This is one of the greatest visual uh landscapes I think in all of Star Trek. I just love the way this show looks. I love the character design. I love the way like things like the guards and the citizenry and the rulers of tars Lamora looked are just incredible, interesting designs, really baroke and cool, and you really get a lot of them in this Highlights of mynage there.

1:22:28 So we see past uh Doll and Rock uh looking into their you know, the original let's just call it the past versions of them, because we're looking into the old, original history of them. When Doll and Rock find the ship at the way they originally did, all temporal incursions are gone, the time loop is gone. History has been saved. Gwynn's armband does a little stabilization, you know, tingle, and she does too, and so she's stabilized as well. This whole idea of gwyn was going to be lost because of the instability. The time loop has been resolved. She's going to be okay, which is very cool. And anybody who's a Voyager fan knows that very often you'll get a log entry from Janeway that is full of great wisdom right where she's sort of, you know, assessing what happened and you know, leaving out a nice lesson which has been happened a lot in this show, and it's really done well. But I love this one line that she said, she goes, we grow from what we leave behind as we reach for what lies ahead. And I thought that was a great Janeway moment and really applied to this young crew of Cadets, So coop super cool, little east Ragg moment. While he's still got a free minute, Wesley goes back and visits his mom. He's Beverly there, a very unusually rendered Beverly crusher. I have to say, she looks very strange, like she's had. You know, I don't understand she does not look like Gates McFadden to me at all. I mean, Gates mcadd is way levelier

1:24:00 than that. And there's an off camera meeting his brother, meeting his brother, who I'm assuming is who we met in that last Picard season, right. Jane brother James Jack Jack Jack Krushaw Rushaw Jack. What are you going to do? I'm going to drinkle this gush and be surly, so I guess that's who we're talking about there, And then we briefly see Chacote showing up as Captain's the Voyager, right, and Jane Ways decided to do early retirement, and I was reminded of the series finale of Discovery, because apparently if you are in Starfleet long enough, everybody gets to retire to like the world's greatest freaking cabin ever. I know, right all the time, this is Michael incredible houses out in the forest. It's like, you know, it's only like a bedroom house like Fi rooms, right, it's just astonishing away.

1:24:53 He's got something that's no lesson for Picard's chateau in France. If good career move is start fleet cap like you live through it, we crip. So Jane Waye is going to retire early, right, And then we go back to Starfleet Academy and uh, you know, no more temporal Mechanics want you know, one on one because now Temporal Mechanics two one, hor Horror and the Canet team are like celebrities at the Academy and everything's kind of cool, and we've got this nice kind of uh Shakespearean comedy vibe as everyone's sort of re established, except all of a sudden, everyone's a hard and there is a very unexpected news flash dramatically interrupting everyone of an attack going on by Synth ship, the rescue Mata on the Utopia ship, and that in this apparently it has been rogues since twenty thousands of the have been destroyed, so cadastraphic faster, UH star Fleet and the Federation on the Plantia really out of the blue. So apparently not everything with our closed time loop ended the way that we thought it might.

1:26:09 All right, and we have to think back to what UH Wesley said earlier in this episode when he was talking about things yet to come. He said, wondrous and able things we'll have to wait and see. So I was this destruction here is from the Scinth is the terrible thing? He was from the disc fleet. J Gardner in front of her huge and Chakote comes visits her and he tells them about the Scynth attack. All reserve officers being called back, and then we're back at Starfleet Academy and our Admiral Jellico is explaining that without the since we've never really seen that much, that much, that we're shorthanded and must cease all exploration activities and focus only on the military protecting of planetary citizens. And therefore all academy classes are suspended through right that we've had pair of seasons this masters, and it's how all for nothing?

1:27:07 Is that? What it is? Painway orders to report yards here we see the USS eight one zero eighty four from the Environmental Protostar class. Right, Slee wanted to the commission this experimental ship, but Kainway is decided she will command it under a special pilot program, and that she is giving all of these cadets on the team field commissions at ensigns, and that this was why Wesley Crusher wanted them all to stay together. Right, They step off ont of the bridge and Holographic Janeway is going to be there as their instructor, the emergency Command Hologram and that's pretty cool. And so we get up there and we find that in this version of the ship on the Prodigy, there is not one but two command and shairs acting captain and their captain's number one, and Dal says great humility that he believes he's going to be Gwinn's number one, and that it's Gwinn's time to lead.

1:28:14 So Gwyn, everybody on the new field commissioned ensigns. They all have spiffy, cool, new looking uniforms that they have and they're all out there on the bridge. Gwyn's place in the captain's chair and her catline for her captain is let's reach for the stars the Gentleman. That is twenty episodes, season two of Star Trek gy in the book, pretty satisfying, exciting two parts. Okay, so a lottuff got wrapped up here. I thought we had some moments in here was super exciting. I thought it was really a lot of fun there was with uh uh Chacota in Janeway and Hologram jam right. I think that would be really soon. Ugh, we didn't lose, which is as we're on a show like this that it's gonna have to say themselves. I thought for a while it was gonna be chockote, but we didn't ready.

1:29:22 Uh. I think was another thing that happened with the Discovery finale, right we did. Anybody that's afraid we're to lose. I remember thinking that during the Distories finale that we were going to lose somebody that we were never happened there, so it was kind of a nice trend there. All their folks attacked that there's a wide open doorway if at some point, uh, you know, to get a season three in the books. I don't know next year. I don't think we've had anything formally announced yet, but to certainly set things up for them should it be, so we'll see and if it doesn't, and this is all all the products we ever get. It's certainly that nice Bob, knowing that we're able to think of our beloved characters going off into the future and having some good special you know, more adventures that are in our mind are canon to come, so that's kind of a thing.

1:30:18 I enjoyed this two parter. I thought was past flying again, super fond of these characters. I thought it was really a happy way things are put up. Uh you know, I'm a final person, so I'm spy to be two up together and and give it a ten because I think it did what I do right. I think it's really satisfying. I'm uh, I do have one dangling Chad question for you. It's appropriate. I want to ask you because I was looking for and I missed. Actually when I'm looking for something I know, miss it, So I was like, what, but happy for me? Massive show. I think they did a really good It was maybe three or four of the twenty necessary. It's like at some point they said how many episodes have there'll be twenty, and they plotted around that number. It feels to me, rather than have them and then figure out how many they need to tell that story? All right, it's been necessarated for a lot of it. I think they could be done like a comfortable seen or seen and told the same story really easily. This this seemed like too many to me, but I look back on them all pretty fondly, and this is a real treat. Have more Prodigy.

1:31:39 For a while, we weren't sure we'd ever and it was great to find you know our soult so great show. Great. I give it a combined ten stuff from me. Eric, Yeah, wow, you said so many things that I cannot disagree with. Okay, so let's let's work our way back. So the twenty episodes. The twenty episodes might have been a little bit long. You know. It's kind of interesting. I think how the evolution of how we think about these shows has occurred over the last like ten years or so. You know, we've evolved from a twenty six episode season where we were used to a lot of piller, to much reduced versions of that, and then we have like all these short run series that are like six episodes, eight episodes. You know, they just tell a like one shot story, boom they're done.

1:32:35 So twenty episodes does feel a little long, and there were probably I would agree, three or four episodes in here that may have been unnecessary, may have not you know, advanced the plot that much. But I guess I guess that was okay for me. For this particular show, this feels like a you know, I don't know, needs a show to like sit down and watch for a little bit. You want them to have more than an eight episode arc or whatever to be able to follow along with. So so for this particular show, I like that. What else, some wonderful, wonderful moments in this two parter, I will say that I don't I didn't once mind the exposition of the detailed explanation of the timeline stuff, because what did I do? I literally paused it along the way and I wrote it all down because that kind of shit matters to me for some strange reasons, so I have it all written down here and for those of us who maybe have those tendencies in our personalities, I just didn't mind that that part one bit.

1:33:43 I did like that. You know, we see rock talk who has become our I will say, I think our hero quite a bit. I mean, she's always figuring stuff out when nobody else can. She gets into a situation here where she doesn't know what's going on either, and between her not knowing what's going on, and Wesley not knowing what's going on, and Zero not knowing what's going on, and Moelle not knowing what's going on, it was it was pretty scary. It's like, Okay, these are the four smartest people on this show, and none of them have any idea what's going on in part one here. So I like that. It was like good peril to me. You know, it sort of threw everybody into a situation and now they have to think their way out of it. I do like quite a bit hollow Janeway and her existential crisis.

1:34:30 I think I mentioned that just a little bit in the last couple episodes, but here it feels like it's really kicking in and she's she's like, I mean more or less saying I don't want to die, you know, and they finally figure out a way to replicate her program so that she doesn't she doesn't have to, but we know that we have to have, you know, dumb Janeway so to speak on the proto star at the end of the show. So you know, there's kind of like a nice circular nature to a lot of good science fiction, I think, And this particular episode, the second part here, ends with a you know, we're back at the beginning type scenario. So I do like that quite a bit. I will say that I also really liked the kind of like battle between Gwendala and Asensia. You know, the idea of the community who had kind of been following a Sensia who had been duped by her, who had been fooled by her, kind of eventually turning at the end and supporting Gwen and you know, lending their life force or whatever.

1:35:41 I mean. It was a little Star warsy with like the whole force situation there, but just like them lending their will to her so that she could accomplish the thing that she needed to accomplish. That to me speaks to. Her as a leader and speaks to the community as having gone through a change of you know, being fooled by the quick and dirty solution, so to speak, for the longest time, and then kind of coming back around to what really needs to happen for their people. So totally dug on that. I dug the tiny wiminess of it all, Like the you know, the sort of like two dimensional projection of all the wormholes and they have to fly through the middle and become the needle in the haystack, and all that kind of imagery was really fun.

1:36:26 So I will say that I thoroughly enjoyed this two parter. I could find almost nothing wrong with it. I felt like it had a great haste to it. It felt like we got through the bulk of the story at least by midway through the second episode, and so we had a whole half of an episode at the end there to just kind of like put everything to bed, make sure all the characters felt good about where they ended up, make sure the ship ends up where it needs to be, all that sort of stuff. So that to me is just good television. Great ending that, as Paul was saying, could either lead into a season three or could be an ender, and I think either way, they did a pretty good job of ending this one.

1:37:09 So I'm I'm gonna go with Paul Man. I think this is a ten. I think this two parter is a ten. I can find just about nothing wrong with it, and I thoroughly enjoyed it and can't wait to watch it again. There you go, all right, a ten. Well I'll jump your question. Yeah, yeah, go ahead. Quick, because Eric in the chat something like, uh uh, you had been waiting for like a scene with Midchelle and Zero doing like the falcon finger thing. Yeah, it's almost like kiss right where they put the two fingers. Totally when did that? Because I was looking all through these last two episodes didn't.

1:37:50 See there's a moment in the second episode where they're sort of just panning and they're they're they're kind of doing it. Uh gosh, It's it's really kind of a throwaway scene. I mean, it's just like a two or three second panning of the camera through that thing. But when they when they did it, I mean, I told you guys that, like I swear to god, if Michelle and Zero do the finger thing, I'm gonna freak out and I totally did. I can find probably the timestamp for you or something. But Boros too, I'm pretty sure it was in that one. Yeah, it was. It felt like as the story was kind of wrapping up, there was a little camera pan there where it happens.

1:38:32 I think it must be something. Yeah, okay, but I'm just want to so thank you brother, you bet Okay. Onward, Well, I enjoyed this episode a lot. I really like the maturing of Doll. You know, when he says he says to Gwen, he says, well, it's your mission, you know, we'll follow you. And I thought, particularly at the end when he stepped down as captain, and I just liked that whole the character growth between him and her. I thought it was great. I can't really find anything wrong with this. The way they ended, I thought it was great. It was a lot of fun. I thought it was really cool how Rock says, well, maybe it wasn't Chacote, maybe it was us all along. And if you think back to the episode where they find Chacote and the Birdman, you know, and they're like, well, maybe maybe we are the ones that broke them out of prison all along. So they already set that particular plot line in motion previously, so I thought that was cool that they came right back to that again. That we meaning the crew of Prodigy, they are the ones. They're the catalysts that actually sends the shift back that they find later or sooner, sooner or later, tiny winey stuff whatever.

1:39:58 I thought that was great. I really liked that. I did, you know, I thought it was kind of Jellico, you know, suspending everything, you know, I thought was kind of weird. Well, so. We liked to We liked to dis Angelico, no question, he is the bad guy, but I did feel like he was being handed down orders from above on this one. Yeah, it's like we're only going to be a military operation now, I. Mean, dude, that was the whole point of Picard, I think was that, you know, Starfleet got shot into being broken as the agency that they had once been, and they felt like they had to contract upon themselves. So I I actually, yeah, it was weird, but it was completely in line with what we saw on the card.

1:40:50 I think. Yeah, I thought it was I thought it was great that, like Charles said, in the Cadet Training Children of Mars, you know, we got to see it lay out from the Federal from Starfleet instead of the way we saw it in the episode. I thought that was great because now now we know exactly what where these characters are and when they are, so that means cool. I the only thing that I thought was kind of weird about the whole thing was Starfleet is giving away like one of their most advanced prototypes to a bunch of kids. That was a little bit strange, but I'll buy it. I thought it was great that they named the ship Prodigy after the show. And yeah, so overall, I thoroughly, thoroughly, thoroughly enjoyed it. And I'm going with you guys, and I'm going with a ten for the finale, So there you have it. I would go ten point one, but you can't go higher than ten, so maybe I'll go, you know what, I'll do nine point nine. How's that that?

1:42:00 That would be very in keeping with the warp factor measurement. You can't go warp ten or you turn into a salamander. That's right, very have it? All right, David, you're next? All right? Well, where to start? When I first saw this episode, immediately I thought of Star Wars. I mean, who else thought of that guy the robot head or that little thing in the back of the head part of the Lando's helper or something. You know. So immediately the very first thing I thought, I was like, huh Star Wars technology. So to me, I was like, okay, we can get into this. So then it just gone into the whole idea where you know, they're trying to solve this problem.

1:42:47 Of like. Fixing the timeline and I'm like, okay, so there's gotta be thousands of looms coming out of that wormhole, and yet somehow they had to do it ray shield get the phase to maximum, And I'm like, isn't that what happened, David? They had to excuse me, David, they had to raise temporal shields. Didn't they do temple shields last time? I'm just saying, I mean they tried it last time, and somehow they got through the ship. So I was like, there's thousands of looms coming. Up and that's how they did it. Okay, I don't know.

1:43:29 They kind of threw me out of the loop, David. Don't forget. They also had to align the phase of frequency so that. They matched See it's Jane Way's superior captaining that's how they did it. Yeah. To me, I was like, Okay, how what when? What come on? David? So anyway, I just threw me out of the loom. But yeah, threw me out of the loom. Yeah, put in a loom. Oh man? So yeah, I like it. I do like this episode. I apecually liked the number two episode where they did all that flashback and stuff.

1:44:11 That really did a pretty really good job of tying it all up. And I actually thought it was the end of the seasons, like they weren't going to be making anymore, because that's what it sounded like. But then toward the very end of it, I was like, wait a minute, are they going to continue? Because it seems like they're they might continue. I don't know, what do you guys think? Wow, I mean it definitely it was definitely written to want to have a third season. Like that's the way I look at it. Yeah, yeah, I mean it just felt like there was a cliffhanger there for some reason. And what really got me actually would when they tied in Picard the whole attack on Mars, and I was like, oh, well, so this is where there's a timeline, know, so to me, I actually really enjoyed that. And Okay, I did my research and I went through all of the cards, uh endings of the like cliffhangers of the different seasons. Did anyone else of Season one cliffhanger where they the Android were trying to open the portal the wormhole or whatever, the dimension whatnot, and they that giant, weird looking alien octupus looking thing that came out. Did anyone else think of that as the loom?

1:45:37 Hmm? I hadn't thought of that, but sure. And the thing, yeah, the machine that I mean, I think I. Thought about that as con something else. Yeah, yeah, the machine that they used to open that portal looked a lot like essence she has machine that she was using. And I was like, wait a second, So to me, I kind of put those two together, and I was like, that's interesting to think about because it just makes it seem like there's more to this dimension instead of this the looms. Maybe it's more monsters, I don't know, but yeah, whatever, this dimension is apparently another portal exactly almost the same thing that happened in the end of the second season where the boards came through and there's like giant beam comes shooting out of the portal into the shield, and I'm like, there's there's gotta be a connection somewhere in there with what's going on with all of these different series that are being produced around the same time that somebody in the writer room probably got something going on where it was like, Okay, this is all going to lead to a giant climax end where the different dimension creasures or whatever they're going to come pulling through our universe are going to be connected.

1:46:55 So I don't know, maybe that's true, maybe not, I don't know, But to me, I was just like, I just felt a little interesting to me, intriguing you me put it. But yeah, overall this two parter I enjoyed, minus a few parts that I thought were kind of strange that shouldn't have been there, I guess. But yeah, other than that, to me, I've I don't know, I'm guessing any more between you know what, I'm just gonna go with a nine point five on this one.

1:47:43 Charles all right, nine point five from David that brings us around to our boot, which of course is Charles. Okay, quite a few notes on this. Uh. I liked Leslie's comment of they weren't meant to do it now it involved the future and to me, that to me, that made me feel like, Okay, is Wesley foreshadowing another season as I hadn't seen the end of the episode yet, but that gave me vibes of a news a third season. The reason I mentioned all the flashbacks into season one Aprodigy is why I brought it back, why I brought it up in Cadet reviews, because there are so many good scenes we got to see tied in to what was the lap of the twenty episodes or so of that of that season combined into bringing the ship back to where but where it belonged, Paul said.

1:49:12 He said that Dal left the com badge on the captain's chair. He didn't leave on the captain's chair. He left it at the in front of the captain's chair, near the front of the bridge. But I believe that they're a tie in to where Dal finds a badge when they're in season one, and I think that's where he ties into rememory. Oh what down that badge on a ship? I need to find it again. Usually we don't get seasons where we kind of tie a show into a new, new other series. But as soon as we started getting that broadcast and they said Mars was attacked, I realized, oh, this is how it went when we back when we reviewed The Cards, the first novel that came out of the Card series, and the reason we enjoy that novel was because it wasn't the Bocards series.

1:50:30 It was a prequel to this series. How did the Card get to where he was being off living in the living in the vinery with the two members of the staff. But that's where Children of Mars, which was another academy place like a school, So we kind of tie that into like, oh, okay, this is where we're at. We're at this point in time. The ship. Okay.

1:51:11 David asked, how does Sensia capture alone? Nobody mentioned the comment what did a Sensia say when she was in the middle of a fight in there? I want to control the multiverse. I want to do the multiverse where I'm in control. This is the first time that I've ever heard a character in Star Trek actually mention the multiverse. They knew the multiverse existed, and they knew trying to be in a specific, specific universe. But that's I think how she captured the because she knew about the whole multiverse and knew where how to capture one. Put a little final comment in there. I love a little bit of gray. They said, well, why would you just give up a ship, well, the ship of things threatened at being scrapped.

1:52:23 Or to go sit in. The Starfleet graveyard. I think the idea was just to scrap the ship. And Jane Waite said, okay, how about we work at where we used as a training ship. And I've got a different group that's in there that can do their own thing because they're not ready to be in the part of the military and the war that was going to occur and Starfleet. So I love where they she was able to at them the ship. I love the gray in the new uniforms. The uniforms aren't solid black and division. There's gray in the uniforms, kind of representing that they're still sort of cadets even though they are ensigns for acting incidents. I'm not a sifly sure I'm getting full ensigns.

1:53:27 Well Field commissioners, just like Wesley originally was in TG. But I like the fact that we kind of tied it in where Well doesn't make a great finale tie into a new News Heather's season, and I think part of the goal is to doing that also kind of gets the demand where people want a third season and the Netflix can see how much the success. This series is. That most well, we need to do another season, and I'm sure next week in our conversation we might able to get some details on where that's gone.

1:54:18 Hope show. I don't think I want a live season. I like the animation to how they do this one. It's gonna be hard to do Merph as a live action character. I'm going to agree with the overall group in saying I'm gonna do a tent on this one. I think this was I liked how it kind of had the ending an extension like Discovery did, and for the ending like d S nine had, where the where the show really deserves a finale. And with that, it gives us a score nine point nine, and it gives us an overall score eight point seven for the entire season, which is a tenth below what the fans gave it at an eight point eight.

1:55:31 Wow, that's impressive. Impressive. Yes, well, guys, that pretty much wraps up our super Prodigy show. Believe it or not, but if you haven't had enough of Prodigy, you definitely want to beam in next week, same bat time, Dame Bat channel, because Paul Who is going to be here live with us next Thursday. Orson Wells, we actually were able the Great Beyond. Yeah, as through part of our Satan and the Mercury Radio Theater. Orrison Wells is going to be here and he's going to recreate his War of the World's broadcast. But hold on a minute, I just got somebody's telling me some papers.

1:56:12 Oh wait a minute, that's the week after on the twenty fourth. No no, no, no no. This next week is Aaron Walke, the co executive producer and frequent writer creator guy who's social media maven of all things related to Prodigy. Aaron Walke, himself, former guests of the show, current guests of the show, is coming back to talk to us all about everything you could possibly want to know about the magical land of Prodigy. And he's going to tell us how pissed off he is about Playmates dropping the ball, leaving us with an incomplete group. I can't can't wait. So yeah, he's If you've not heard Aaron Walkey before. He's phenomenal guest friends. He basically kept us in stitches for two hours last time he's on the show. And he's not just like some I'm a producer guy who wants to do Stordrek. This guy knows everything you name any part of the franchise. He's like a super fan, super fan it with a ridiculously deep better knowledge. I can't wait to talk to him again.

1:57:12 Super nice guy. It's gonna be fun. So you guys March's calendar and be here. You don't want to miss it. Well, that wraps up our show. So I want to say thank you so much to Paul for hanging out and trek talking with us. Thank you, Paul, my pleasure man. This was really fun. It was great to have, great to have this series to really chat about, really really nice. So and it's fun to continue the discussion with Aaron next week. Sorry, and of course thank you so much to the cheese guy himself, David for hanging out with us. Thank you, David. Oh so good fine the cheese or the show, both.

1:57:57 The Moldy Cheese or the show. Oh and also thank you so much to Eric for hanging out in Trek talking with us, and I thank you Eric. Yeah, that was really fun. I love hearing your guys' opinions about the show. And I am going to miss Prodigy. I really hope they pick it up for another season. It is a show well worth keeping around. And we could talk with Aaron about that next week. And of course, thank you so much to Charles for hanging out and Chuck talking with us. Thank you, Charles, Oh, thank you. I've been had great that we got finally got through and discussed all Prodigy. And looking forward to low lower decks. Halloween will be lower decks, and I'm your most excellent Uncle Jim saying, thank you so much. Episode season Yeah, that'll that'll be fun.

1:58:57 That will be fun, and may people will be able to get some more fan reactions as well if it's week to week, so that I'm looking forward to that. So I'm your most excellent host, Uncle Jim saying, please everybody stay safe and be good to each other, and remember Star Trek fans are the best fans. Hailing frequencies are closed. Good night, everybody, man long and prosper Now yells Jin, then see what's out the Engage spool s