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Sept. 25, 2026

Episode 701 - Recapping Strange New Worlds: La An's Journey

Episode 701 - Recapping Strange New Worlds: La An's Journey
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In this episode of Trek Talking and Beyond, Uncle Jim and the hosts engage in lively discussions about the latest episode of Strange New Worlds, fan interactions, and community engagement. They share fan shout outs, poll results on favorite Star Trek pilots, and delve into character development, particularly focusing on La An's journey. The conversation highlights the importance of fan feedback and personal reflections on the episode, culminating in ratings and final thoughts. In this episode, the hosts discuss the latest Star Trek episode, focusing on the special effects, character development, and the fantasy elements that resonate with fans. They share their opinions on the quality of the episode, contrasting views on the use of magic in storytelling, and the humor that permeates the narrative. The conversation also delves into theories about character arcs and the future of Star Trek in light of recent production changes. In this episode, the hosts celebrate the birthdays of notable actors, including Carolyn McCormick and Henry Gibson, while also discussing the legacy of Stephen King. They honor various birthdays in the entertainment industry, explore classic movies released during the week, and provide updates on Star Trek news. The conversation also touches on the audience reception of 'Strange New Worlds' and the upcoming price changes for Star Trek merchandise, concluding with a reflection on the impact of influential actors.
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Captain, we go to stain Anakin has gone insane Logan 6,

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Corporal Hicks, the Jem'Hadar need.

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Cling on wine Thank you, Doctor.

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Old puffs and worms, stories that'll twist and turn Paltar, Scimitar,

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Death of Tasha Slash Gordon, Bradshaw, Stormtroopers, and Clone Wars,

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James Walton, TweetP, John Koenig, and CWP.

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Can we talk about the series?

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You can join us live.

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By picking up your phone now. Can we talk about

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the series? Welcome to New Orleans, even in slow distance now.

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Can we talk about the series? Comics, books, and games

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become the armistice now.

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Can we talk about the series?

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Come and join us as we sit and chat and

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we can go on.

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And on.

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Well, good evening Trekkies and Trekkers around the globe. It's Thursday,

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September 24th, 2026. Welcome to episode 701 of Trek Talkin'

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and Beyond. I'm your most excellent host, Uncle Jim. And

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before we go too far, I want to introduce my awesome,

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my incredible truck spurs. And we're going to swing out

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to Portland and we're going to say hello to David.

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He's our miracle worker. How are you doing tonight, David?

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Well, I'm starting to learn a language about trying to

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talk to squirrels. So I don't know how that will work,

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but yeah, sounds pretty interesting.

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That does.

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A squirrel girl, maybe. You can get in touch with her, perhaps.

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And we're going to stick out in Portland while we're there.

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We're going to swing over and see how Eric is

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doing tonight.

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Well, as a huge advocate of Squirrel Girl, I approve

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everything you're doing right now, David. So go for it, buddy.

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Let me know when you're ready to chitty-chit with me

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on the DL.

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Awesome. Sounds like a plan.

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And we're going to jump to Las Vegas, and we're

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going to say hello to Charles.

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How are you doing, Charles?

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I'm doing good, as you wish.

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As I'm sure that's how you're going to want to

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have a good show.

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Jim says, as he wishes.

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We always do.

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Enjoying our 95 degree weather.

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Yep. Yep. And last but not least, we have with

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us V. He's out in Virginia.

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How you doing, V?

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I'm here.

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And it is fall. I am so thankful because I was,

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like I posted on Facebook, and it's been melting like

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a peach. The heat and humidity. And so now.

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It's... Melting like a popsicle in Phoenix?

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Sure, that too. That too. But, yeah.

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We don't have Paul with us tonight. Paul is in sports.

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So no Paul tonight. So this is the five of

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us for the show. Paul will be back in another

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two weeks. So just hang in there for Paul. You

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guys can support Trek Talking by becoming a subscriber. It's

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So that's how you can help us keep this podcast going.

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So today we're going to be talking about.

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Strange New Worlds Season 4, Episode 9, once upon a time. So, yeah,

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if you got a chance to watch that episode, stick

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around and see what we thought about it and see

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what our fans thought about it.

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We also have our fan shout-outs to ask where we've

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had people just like you for supporting us around the globe.

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Charles is going to have his cadet review for us.

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We're also going to have our fan reactions and episode scores,

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so you want to stick around for that. And what

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actions do you share a birthday with? Find out on us.

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Birthdays. And, of course, we have Uncle Jim's movie pick

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of the week. Okay. So....

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Without any further ado, we are going to dive right

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in to our fan shout-outs.

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Okay, fan shout-outs. We're just dealing with some back-end tech

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stuff there. Yes, this week we are starting our fan

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shout-outs with good old Yvonne Listens, who hails from the

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Dutch-speaking part of Belgium, which I didn't personally know that

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there was a Dutch-speaking part of Belgium, but... The more

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you know.

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Ding.

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So thanks for checking in, Yvonne. And thanks for listening

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to our podcast. Also like to say hello this week

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to Carl Garth Grisky, I think is how you would

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pronounce that, who hails from Malta and sends us that

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beautiful Maltese flag. Thanks, Carl, for saying hello to us

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this week. We really appreciate your support for the podcast.

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I'd also like to say hello and welcome Joss Shefferly, uh,

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who is a top fan, meaning that they already are

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doing a great job of interacting with us on our

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social media. And we really appreciate that. And guess where

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Joss is from. That's right, folks. We have another new,

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we're getting all these new ones lately. I love this.

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Joss hails from North Korea. And as far as I

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can tell is our very first fan to check in

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from North Korea. So thanks Joss for saying hello. Uh,

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and for being a top fan, uh, You must have

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a great VPN. And also thanks to Klaus Melke, who

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hails from Upper Franconia in Germany, sending us that beautiful black, red,

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and yellow of the German flag. Thanks, Klaus, for checking

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in and saying hello to us. V, what do you

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say we bring it back to the U.S.

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Welcome to America, and we're going to Arkansas. Then Roger Hernandez,

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who is a fan.

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Thank you, Roger.

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And I'll say hello to us from Mexico City with

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the lovely Mexican flag. And next, Gary Lee, San Antonio, Texas.

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We have the beautiful Alamo. I don't know, have you

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ever seen the basements at the Alamo?

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Oh, it's the Kiwi Home and Joe, sorry.

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Ray Lefkowitz. My name is Linda Kelly Bryan, saying hello

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to us from San Jose, California. Thank you all for

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your support. All right, on to you, Carol.

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Thank you, V.

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Let's start off with a very warm welcome to David

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McLean from right here in Las Vegas.

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And this time, I know who David is.

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I saw him.

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Wednesday before last, I believe it was.

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Welcome Judy DeLong, DeLeo from Lancaster, Pennsylvania. Been a Trekkie

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from the beginning and is 68 years old. Forgot to

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say David gave us a big grin, a thumbs up.

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Welcome William Meadows from Marion, Illinois.

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Welcome William.

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Welcome William.

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And Brian Kane from the Bay Area in California. Okay, Brian,

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you got to be a little more specific. There are

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several parts of the Bay Area.

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Which one? Since Paul's not here, I'll pass it to Jim.

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Why, thank you so much, Charles. I'm going to try

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to fill his footstep, but they're going to be pretty

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big ones. First, we want to say hello and thank

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you to Bucky Joe, who's in Texas. And wow, the

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flag waving proudly.

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Welcome, Bucky. Right here on my.

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Neck of the woods, we want to say hello and

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thank you to Francis Legadia, who is a top fan

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from Rutland, Vermont.

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Represent, dog. That's right.

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Thank you, Francis. We also want to say hello and

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thank you to Wyatt Stone, who's in Georgia. And last

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but not least on my list, Green Cooper, who's a

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top fan from Ontario.

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Get it up.

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If you guys would like to be featured as a

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top fan, please, please head over to our Facebook page

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for our talk and beyond.

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You'll see the Live Long and Prosper pinned to the

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top of the page. Click on that. Tell us where

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you're from.

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Leave lots of emojis. That gets my attention. If you

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see a heart next to your name, remember, truly, you're

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going to be featured in a future fan shout-out. And

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for those of you who happen to be subscribers, these

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awesome pictures that are going by right now, If you

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become a subscriber, you can send your picture to David,

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and David will put them right up there on the

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screen so the whole world can see you as your

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cosplay with your favorite actor, whatever you want to send.

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You can send them to us, and David will get

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them up there.

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On the screen. All right, so that wraps up our

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fan shout-out section. And while you're.

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On our Facebook page, I like to throw out all

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kinds of questions, things like that. Because I think it's

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very interesting to have a lot of fan reaction from

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you guys so that we're not just a bunch of

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talking heads here. So I threw up a poll and

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I'm going to have Eric. go over that with you,

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but first, we need to have the polling song.

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You know we like to win, but you thought about

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the show and we tried. To share your opinions with

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all of our minions. I'm there because they listen. So

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tell us just what you think. And together we will

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all drink. Gnar and Romulan ale.

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Gnar and Romulan ale.

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All right, Eric, you're in charge of the poll, so

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take it away.

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All right.

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Well, we continue this week with week three of building

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the crew of the USS Shockerree. And this year, this week,

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we are asking, who would you choose as your favorite pilot?

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And we have the top eight pilot candidates from the

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Star Trek universe being considered. In the number eight spot

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with 1% of the vote, we have Sydney LaForge. Everybody

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remember her? Yeah, that's right. Yeah, she was a pilot.

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Yeah.

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But only 1% of you remembered. So that's probably one

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person who answered our poll. But she did get a vote.

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So that's pretty cool. In second to last place and

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seventh place otherwise, we have Wesley Crusher, who often functioned

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as ship's pilot. 2% of you gave him the vote.

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And you know what? He did pretty good for a

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teenager and then into his young adult life. So I

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say kudos to Wesley Crusher for making the list and

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for getting 2% of the vote. In the number six spot,

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we have Lee Kelso. That's right. Remember Lee Kelso? No,

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I know you don't, but that's okay. More people than

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you remembered who they were and they got 3% of

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the vote this time around. So in that number six spot,

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we have Lee Kelso with 3%.

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Of the vote.

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In the number five spot, we have the cyber-enhanced Kayla

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Detmer from Discovery, 5% of views, thought she was the

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best pilot. And I will say she was the first

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one that I know of to go to Black Alert. So,

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you know, that's pretty cool. In our number four spot,

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we have Travis Mayweather with 7% of the vote. And

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I could go on about this for quite some time.

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In fact, I've considered having an entire Travis Mayweather show,

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a special one hour show about Travis Mayweather, because I

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personally think that he's the most underrated Star Trek character

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of all time. You look at all the stuff that

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he did during the series of Enterprise, and he's actually

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an amazing person and an amazing just companion and good

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friend and Also quite talented and strong and good looking

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and all sorts of different things. And 7% of you

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thought he was a good pilot as well. So thanks

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for putting Travis Bailiwether in that number four spot. In

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the number three spot, we have, guess who? You would

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have thought he would have been a little higher, but

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Hikaru Sulu got 24% of the vote and he's only

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in our number three spot. Kind of surprising, but I

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would bet you that these next three were pretty much

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neck and neck. We've got 24% 25 and 26% of

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the vote for each of these next three. So they're

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basically tied. So we've got Hikaru Sulu in number three.

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And number two, we have good old Erica Ortega's from

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Strange New Worlds, our new pilot with the awesome shaved sides.

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She flies the ship. And in the number one spot

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with 26% of the vote, just barely edging out the

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last two, Tom Paris. That's right. Creator of the Delta Flyer.

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All around, you know, cowboy, great husband to B'Elanna Torres.

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Somehow they made that work. But he was a fantastic pilot,

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so I'm happy to see him at the top of

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that list. And it was cool to see him have

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kind of a good arc during Voyager, in particular with

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his father, the Admiral. So there you have it. You

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all have selected as the pilot of our ship, Tom Paris,

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not Hikaru Sulu. So surprising. But that's okay. This is

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the USS Shaakiri. This is your ship.

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Actually, Sulu, Paris, and Ortegas, it all depended on how

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I rounded it up.

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They were that close.

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Wow.

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You know, like 26.5, 26.9.

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They were all pretty much neck and neck.

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Well, you know, Jim, there are three duty shifts. Three

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potential pilots.

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That's all I'm saying. True. Very, very true.

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You think Sulu would do third shift?

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He'll be shoveling the coal with Mr.

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Chekhov.

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I think we better put Sulu on first ship, put

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Tom Paris down in the coal mines.

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Yes. Good call. Good call.

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So how is the USS Shockery stacking up so far?

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three weeks. Our chief engineer was selected to be Scotty

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by you all. Our chief of security is good old

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Odo from Deep Space Nine. And now we have our pilot,

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Tom Paris from Star Trek Voyager.

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Wow, so that's a good representation of 60 years of

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Star Trek so far.

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Good diversity. Yeah, I'm excited to see if somebody from

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Strange New Worlds or Discovery makes the list. That would

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be great.

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Maybe. We're still going. We've still got some more.

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And now that we've got the polls out of the way,

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we're going to turn over to Charles for.

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Our cadet training.

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Thank you, Jim.

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And of course, the cadet training is based on the

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fact that episodes or shows that I can tie into

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this episode.

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Of course, Strange New World, Elise in Kingdoms. From season one.

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TOS.

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Reminds me a little bit of Mirror Mirror. Season two.

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We're dealing with people's doubles.

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DS9.

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Far Beyond the Stars. Benny Russell. I'll talk about that later.

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Eric will probably love this one. The Princess Bride. There

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are a lot of references to that.

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Arthur C.

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Clarke.

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Logic.

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Spock rationalizes the entire ordeal story. Using Arthur C. Clarke's

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famous law, any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

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Remind the crew what it looks like. What looks like

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a spell book is really a reality warped alien tech

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they just don't yet understand. And of course, our dragon

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reminds me a little bit of Sleeping Beauty when Maleficent

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changes into a giant black and purple dragon. But I

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couldn't find a real well-famous red dragon. But I'm passing

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it over to Jim, who wants to recap and talk

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about what occurred in this episode.

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Usually Paul does this. I volunteered to do it before

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Eric volunteered to do it. So Eric can do it

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next week, which is a much better episode than this one.

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But I'm going to give it my all, guys. I'm

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going to try to be.

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Remember, Jim, this is your emotion-neutral, just what happened in

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the episode. This is no opinions, right?

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The dragon. I was thinking more of Game of Thrones. Ooh, yeah.

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We'll get to that when we talk about the episode.

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Okay, so, fresh from attending a diplomatic wedding, the crew

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of the Enterprise, including Captain Wright, Spock, Portugas, and La'an,

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investigate a bizarre, scientifically-defying, unknown, flat planet. Han has been

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struggling all season with severe emotional disconnection, and her darker

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augment impulses her to be intensely prickly and very darned.

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Pike leads a landing party to the surface and discovers

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an immense fairy tale kingdom reminiscent of the storybook world

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from the Elysium Kingdom. That's a first season.

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Episode, by the way.

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The team is captured by the Royal Guard serving on

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the team that is played by Celia Rose Gooding. That's

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a La'an is treated as Princess Talia by a sword-wielding

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Joseph Dr.

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Mbenga. With help from Prince Dashing, James T. Kirk himself,

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La'an escapes her captors. She lies that she needs to

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break into the dungeon to rescue the key. I forgot

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what the key of consequences is. Is that what it was?

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I think that's what it was, the Key of Consequences.

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So they go on a quest that turns into a

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deadly personal reflection on her past, her family legacy, and

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her inner emotional walls.

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Pretty deep stuff going on here.

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Meanwhile, Poppleganger fantasy versions of Mike and Spock, Seraph, and

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Pollux the Wizard stumble upon a landing party's discarded Starfoot

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uniform and accidentally beam up to the Enterprise using the

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magic clam. Alana is forced to metaphorically and literally face

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aspects of herself within a whimsical, logic-defying environment. The ordeal

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helps her process her emotional isolation and confront the darker

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impulses she has carried all season long, ultimately leading to

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a therapeutic breakthrough for the character.

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So then, I will save my life.

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Well at any rate let's talk about what our fans

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thought about this episode. ashley kells uh said it was

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a five these stories this season have been pretty good

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and certainly not as bad as the alternative factor plato's

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stepchildren and code of honor thanks ashley preach i just

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wish that there was less gimmicky episodes in a row

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yeah Strange New World Season 1 and 2 were very good.

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Season 3 was pretty good. Season 4 has been decent.

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Thanks, Ashley.

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James Young, a top fan, gave it a 7. I

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like this season with its fantasy episodes as opposed to

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a season with one big bad enemy like the Gorn

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or the Klingons. This is a good change of pace.

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Next season should be back on track with all the

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episodes setting up the series finale. You know, I think

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that's a good point, James. We haven't really talked about

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how a lot of Strange New Worlds and Discovery in

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particular were all based on kind of the one big

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bad guy at the end of the season. Even Starfleet Academy, right?

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So good point on that. Brian Lombard, it's a solid 10,

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but I give The Way to Eden a 9. So

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is he trying to show you where the bar is there?

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I think so. Pamela Tejarczyk gave it an 8.5. Remember

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how I said during the Case of Charoscuro episode that

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I was tiring of the La'an story, but I would

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withhold judgment on the storyline upon watching this episode. My

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fear was that La'an either would become a villain, letting

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her genetics determine her future, which would have been against

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the ethos of Star Trek, or let whatever happened in

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this episode do nothing at all. This episode surprised me

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because La'an changed for the better, and gain some inner peace.

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The root of Laon's issues weren't anger, but self-loathing. She

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hates herself as the childhood bullying with which she was

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tortured leads her to have that eternal tape recording playing

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in her head. She is unlovable and incapable of loving

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herself and others. By confronting her doppelganger, Princess Talia, who

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loves herself and gives infinite love to someone else, Prince Dashing,

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who is a monster, Laan learns to love herself and

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to open herself up to love of not just the

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romantic kind beyond the nicely positive conclusion of Laan's arc.

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I love the costumes and the fairy tale setting. Anson

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and Ethan's comedic timing as their alternates was brilliant. It

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did nothing to lessen my Anson Mount crush. And yes,

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the soap opera episode made my heart go pitter patter.

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I took a half point off as I did wish

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Laan would have actually had the last scene not be

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a date. even though I am a hopeless romantic, but

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a therapy session, but we probably couldn't get Deirdre Hall again.

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And the full point is off for some of the

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hand-waving plot holes, like how was this a ship? That

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was a great review, Pam. 8.5.

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Thanks.

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Dennis Vayu Jr. said, despite being yet another gimmick episode,

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I rather enjoy this one. 8 out of 10. John

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Romleski said, definitely not the best, but a solid 6

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out of 10. Chris Barnes, a solid 8.5. The storyline

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was kind of hokey, but the ending made it come together.

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Bonus points. Oh, man, do I have to say that? Well,

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Chris said it. He said bonus points for the cleavage.

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You know, so we do have some people out there

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who are all about it. Brent Walker gave it a 2.

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Some funny stuff, but this could have been any other

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television show. Same for most of the rest of Season 4.

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Lars Grenluff gave it a 9. It was like old

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TOS and TNG, plus... development of one of the characters

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like in voyager real trek thanks lars renee lun jensen

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said was fun i would say a solid eight so

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our fan scores this week i i would have to

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go back and look maybe charles can find this real

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quickly but i was wondering how this score of 7.2

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by the fans compares to the fan score that they

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actually gave Elysian Kingdom back in the day. How quickly

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can we find that information if I vamp for just

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a half a second and draw out the end of

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this sentence?

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I think I remember seeing it like it was an 8.4.

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I know it's in our list. At any rate, I

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remember that the fans really liked that episode, and this

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one is still in the high, you know, in the

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7s here. So I think this is still, I mean,

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it's the low 7s, you know. This is a C-plus

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grade or something like that. So better than average.

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8.4.

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8.4.

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So they really liked Elysian Kingdom.

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They liked it originally.

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So this is a point lower. But given the context

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of what's going on in this season, I would say

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that this average is high towards the end of what

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our fans have generally given episodes this season.

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There you go. All right.

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Well, I can tell you honestly that that's a lot

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higher than I would have given it.

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So, Charles, what did Paul give it?

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Paul gave it a six.

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A six. Okay.

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Yeah, Paul gave it a six. And what did he say?

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He had some comments. Oh, yeah, he said, very annoying,

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infantile episode, but Anson Mount's performance bumped me up to

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a six.

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Okay.

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Well, that's cool. So we're starting off with a six.

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I can tell you. Well, no, I won't tell you.

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I'll tell you later. So why don't we jump in,

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which I tried to earlier, but I was out of order.

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Because I'm old and senile, and I've got a bad heart,

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so I can do that. No, you don't.

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You're fine. Well, I have to say that the notes

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about Pamela... I really got a kick out of this

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episode because I am, I guess, hopeless romantic. There was

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so much about it that I love. And I'll say,

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first off, I wish I had not been so that

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I could have sent Christina Chong her dog, Runa, who

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she brings everywhere at GalaxyCon this past. I wish I

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could have gotten a picture with all of them. That's

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sort of making some... serious money you know i can

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tell you that so.

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Do you think the dog gets like a separate salary.

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Absolutely they do having um and commercials and stuff well

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there was one time where there was a a dog

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was in it and the dog made at least as

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much wheat as we did and yeah i'm not kidding

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they absolutely Yes, that dog is earning her, you know,

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puppy cat treats and everything.

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Milk bones, baby, milk bones.

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She certainly is. And having seen, catching a glimpse of

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her in real life, she is absolutely adorable. And next

476
00:26:32.109 --> 00:26:37.670
time I have to meet her because, you know, adorable dog. References,

477
00:26:37.890 --> 00:26:43.569
you know, just crack me up. Where are they called?

478
00:26:44.049 --> 00:26:44.470
Where are they?

479
00:26:46.349 --> 00:26:49.809
That was, that was because the, the, that was a

480
00:26:49.970 --> 00:26:53.069
like in the moment Pike thing because all. And so

481
00:26:53.150 --> 00:26:55.049
he looked at the, he looked at.

482
00:26:55.369 --> 00:26:55.650
Yeah.

483
00:26:55.710 --> 00:26:57.890
So he looked at the book and kind of like,

484
00:26:57.950 --> 00:26:59.990
and then in the moment was like, and this is

485
00:27:00.009 --> 00:27:01.470
Benny Russell. And that's why Pelley.

486
00:27:01.730 --> 00:27:02.250
Oh yeah.

487
00:27:02.430 --> 00:27:03.890
I'm Benny Russell.

488
00:27:04.099 --> 00:27:05.259
Um, costumes.

489
00:27:05.319 --> 00:27:05.759
Oh my gosh.

490
00:27:05.799 --> 00:27:07.539
To die for.

491
00:27:07.680 --> 00:27:08.140
Um, I'm sure.

492
00:27:10.980 --> 00:27:14.210
Even though they are way beyond my college, they came

493
00:27:14.450 --> 00:27:17.170
to me and looked at these. God, I was thrilled

494
00:27:17.210 --> 00:27:20.710
to make either one of the gowns that La'an wore,

495
00:27:21.190 --> 00:27:25.579
Princess Talia wore, because they were just absolutely stunning. I

496
00:27:25.660 --> 00:27:29.900
do like very much that, like what Pamela said, La'an

497
00:27:30.700 --> 00:27:34.569
coming to terms with her, the hatred about being teased.

498
00:27:34.940 --> 00:27:37.420
which kind of reminds me of Kalana Torres. Do you

499
00:27:37.460 --> 00:27:41.019
remember when she threw all this stuff and reflecting back

500
00:27:41.119 --> 00:27:45.109
on her childhood and how she thought that she was

501
00:27:45.170 --> 00:27:48.990
the cause for her father leaving? So that sort of

502
00:27:49.549 --> 00:27:53.750
put me in mind that Kalana came to terms with

503
00:27:53.789 --> 00:27:58.460
her both sides of who she was. So finally we

504
00:27:58.480 --> 00:28:01.690
get on, you know, look like he's going to be

505
00:28:01.869 --> 00:28:04.509
an enjoyable character for the rest of the time and

506
00:28:04.529 --> 00:28:07.450
not some, you know, hokey bad person.

507
00:28:07.950 --> 00:28:10.880
All right. We got a six. We got an eight.

508
00:28:10.920 --> 00:28:13.220
Let's continue on the train and move right on over

509
00:28:13.259 --> 00:28:13.839
to Charles.

510
00:28:13.859 --> 00:28:17.920
Okay. Thank you, Jim. As you guys started to catch

511
00:28:17.980 --> 00:28:21.819
a little bit of one of my references, you mentioned

512
00:28:21.839 --> 00:28:25.490
Benny Russell, but you didn't actually mention exactly who he is.

513
00:28:25.730 --> 00:28:28.569
For the fans who had forgotten Benny, If you go

514
00:28:28.630 --> 00:28:32.509
back to the episode Far Beyond the Stars in DS9,

515
00:28:33.210 --> 00:28:37.720
when Sisko was playing the author, his name was Benny Russell.

516
00:28:37.839 --> 00:28:42.079
And he did actually write a book about Elysium. It's

517
00:28:42.160 --> 00:28:44.910
actually one of his titles that he did actually write

518
00:28:45.049 --> 00:28:46.210
in that episode.

519
00:28:46.269 --> 00:28:48.960
Hell yeah, let's see. Okay.

520
00:28:49.160 --> 00:28:52.269
It was an interesting, long about way, way of trying

521
00:28:52.289 --> 00:28:55.190
to move Pelia off the ship. But as I re-listened

522
00:28:55.250 --> 00:28:57.309
to it, saying, oh, okay, we got rid of her

523
00:28:57.349 --> 00:29:00.390
a little bit like we did getting Omega's daughter. Then

524
00:29:00.450 --> 00:29:03.180
I started hearing the talk in there. And I had

525
00:29:03.220 --> 00:29:07.039
to laugh when they said, she got with the cook.

526
00:29:08.039 --> 00:29:08.940
Named Max.

527
00:29:09.000 --> 00:29:12.059
Was he happen to be Miracle Max? Which those that

528
00:29:12.119 --> 00:29:15.519
might not know, but I'm sure Eric's grinning, Miracle Max

529
00:29:15.619 --> 00:29:20.329
was the character that Billy Crystal played while she played

530
00:29:20.349 --> 00:29:23.210
the older woman that lived with him. So I thought

531
00:29:23.230 --> 00:29:27.789
that was a nice, funny reference. Like, okay, yeah, let's

532
00:29:27.910 --> 00:29:31.750
end this series by tying her off with Princess Bride.

533
00:29:33.190 --> 00:29:36.599
I mean, you know, apparently she spent a bunch of

534
00:29:36.640 --> 00:29:38.829
time with the doctor, so it only makes sense that

535
00:29:38.869 --> 00:29:41.000
she has to go and spend some time making the

536
00:29:41.039 --> 00:29:43.299
Princess Bride now right yeah.

537
00:29:43.500 --> 00:29:45.599
I think the character you're looking for she played as

538
00:29:45.720 --> 00:29:49.160
Valerie in the Princess Bride yeah.

539
00:29:49.660 --> 00:29:52.140
It's Valerie, and Valerie lived with Mac.

540
00:29:52.240 --> 00:29:55.049
And don't forget that she helped write 2001 A Space

541
00:29:55.160 --> 00:29:57.950
Odyssey with Arthur C. Clarke and Stanley Kubrick. We can't

542
00:29:57.990 --> 00:30:01.190
let that slide. And she comes from Burlington, Vermont, so,

543
00:30:01.269 --> 00:30:01.950
you know.

544
00:30:02.029 --> 00:30:04.950
I mean, they've built up quite a Pellia lore in

545
00:30:04.990 --> 00:30:06.650
a very short amount of time.

546
00:30:06.670 --> 00:30:07.329
Yeah.

547
00:30:07.849 --> 00:30:09.569
I know a lot of people are— sorry, Charles, I don't

548
00:30:09.589 --> 00:30:11.960
mean to— I' ll talk about Pellia during my time, sorry.

549
00:30:12.220 --> 00:30:12.400
Yep.

550
00:30:13.299 --> 00:30:17.710
Well, the fact is I see fans, including at least

551
00:30:17.890 --> 00:30:20.069
one or two hosts who sit there and are happy

552
00:30:20.150 --> 00:30:20.950
Pelia's gone.

553
00:30:21.150 --> 00:30:24.660
I liked Pelia. Pelia was a unique character.

554
00:30:24.680 --> 00:30:28.119
I guess if you really want Carole King exiting, what

555
00:30:28.140 --> 00:30:30.109
a way to do it by putting her out in

556
00:30:30.140 --> 00:30:33.970
a theme. tying her to princess bride as of course

557
00:30:34.029 --> 00:30:35.930
jen i that's why i was trying to say at

558
00:30:35.950 --> 00:30:38.430
the beginning of the show look at jim saying as

559
00:30:38.450 --> 00:30:41.130
you wish of course that was the line from the

560
00:30:41.190 --> 00:30:44.900
prince interesting a prince dashing as a werewolf and of

561
00:30:44.960 --> 00:30:48.660
course the queen showing up floating in the middle of

562
00:30:48.740 --> 00:30:53.059
space and it's like yeah i can't our communication object

563
00:30:53.099 --> 00:30:53.680
kind of looks like.

564
00:30:54.240 --> 00:30:59.200
Oh i look good it's like with a That was, yeah,

565
00:30:59.309 --> 00:31:02.009
or her, I was like, that was a good one there.

566
00:31:02.029 --> 00:31:05.130
I didn't get a lot of notes that I wanted

567
00:31:05.210 --> 00:31:08.730
to in here, even though the... Couldn't find the exact

568
00:31:08.789 --> 00:31:11.970
sorts of Metal Dragon, but it was definitely a good

569
00:31:12.049 --> 00:31:13.250
lore reference.

570
00:31:13.269 --> 00:31:14.150
Oh, Iron Dragon?

571
00:31:14.210 --> 00:31:14.869
Iron Dragon.

572
00:31:15.630 --> 00:31:20.359
Well, I'm sure that there's another specific reference out there.

573
00:31:20.420 --> 00:31:23.200
I didn't actually Google this, but I will tell you

574
00:31:23.240 --> 00:31:26.609
that one of the best board games ever invented... is

575
00:31:26.670 --> 00:31:30.670
called Iron Dragon, and it's basically like, it's like the

576
00:31:30.789 --> 00:31:33.450
ones where you draw the track on the dots, like

577
00:31:34.470 --> 00:31:38.410
Empire Builder or European Rails or those types of things,

578
00:31:38.519 --> 00:31:41.079
and Iron Dragon is a fantastic version of that game.

579
00:31:41.299 --> 00:31:43.759
I'm sure there's another reference, but immediately when they said

580
00:31:43.859 --> 00:31:46.519
Iron Dragon, I was like, oh my god, Iron Dragon!

581
00:31:46.880 --> 00:31:50.019
But I think I'll go with this one. We didn't

582
00:31:50.059 --> 00:31:55.890
get a chance to mention that Una and... ortegas's characters

583
00:31:56.049 --> 00:31:58.970
interesting choice to make them a romantic couple and how

584
00:31:59.049 --> 00:32:04.410
dashing kind of goes off to fake himself when he

585
00:32:04.609 --> 00:32:07.130
becomes a wolf and then goes back to human when

586
00:32:07.289 --> 00:32:10.210
una almost i guess tries to slay him but overall

587
00:32:10.250 --> 00:32:13.660
this one i'm gonna give a seven it wasn't my

588
00:32:13.720 --> 00:32:19.059
favorite episode but as v says the costuming i did

589
00:32:19.099 --> 00:32:22.660
rather enjoy some many of the princess bride references just

590
00:32:22.759 --> 00:32:26.200
because it's a fun movie, but I will score it

591
00:32:26.400 --> 00:32:28.869
there and pass my bidding back to Jim.

592
00:32:28.930 --> 00:32:32.170
Yeah, I think we'll just continue on the little trail

593
00:32:32.230 --> 00:32:33.910
and now we're going to work our way up to Eric.

594
00:32:34.049 --> 00:32:37.339
Alright, yeah, so I have been saying kind of all

595
00:32:37.410 --> 00:32:40.700
season how I've been upset with the fact that I

596
00:32:40.700 --> 00:32:43.279
feel like they've done Lawn Dirty this season. They just

597
00:32:43.400 --> 00:32:48.099
really haven't had a good La'an arc. And in fact,

598
00:32:48.259 --> 00:32:50.859
after this episode was over, my wife and I had

599
00:32:50.900 --> 00:32:53.299
to kind of go back and look up the end

600
00:32:53.400 --> 00:32:56.890
of last season, which remember, this is like where it

601
00:32:56.930 --> 00:33:00.269
all begins, right? Her like latent DNA gets triggered or

602
00:33:00.309 --> 00:33:02.470
something at the end of last season, which is why

603
00:33:02.569 --> 00:33:06.710
she's so angry and has all these urges this season.

604
00:33:06.730 --> 00:33:12.819
I was really hoping for a very cool like resolution

605
00:33:13.039 --> 00:33:15.140
of that kind of arc because it's really been bugging

606
00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:17.250
me this season. And I will say that I think

607
00:33:17.289 --> 00:33:20.319
this episode gave me that. I really liked this whole

608
00:33:20.440 --> 00:33:23.359
idea of showing two sides of the same character. This

609
00:33:23.440 --> 00:33:27.880
is a classic trope. I can't remember if Charles mentioned

610
00:33:27.920 --> 00:33:34.529
Enemy Within during his cadet training, but I think of

611
00:33:34.569 --> 00:33:39.029
that episode where Kirk's evil half gets separated from him

612
00:33:39.089 --> 00:33:41.869
and they sort of... You can see those things out

613
00:33:41.910 --> 00:33:43.650
in the open. I think we've had a few different

614
00:33:43.710 --> 00:33:45.690
episodes of Star Trek where that happens. So this was

615
00:33:45.730 --> 00:33:49.150
just another riff on that. So the fact that this

616
00:33:49.190 --> 00:33:52.589
entire episode was a delusion of the Laan story, I

617
00:33:52.630 --> 00:33:55.319
really liked that part of it. And I liked that

618
00:33:55.359 --> 00:33:58.140
it plugged back into the Elysium Kingdom as well. I

619
00:33:58.180 --> 00:34:01.339
know a lot of our Trek-sports didn't care for that episode,

620
00:34:01.359 --> 00:34:04.420
thought it was silly, dumb, whatever. I think V and

621
00:34:04.480 --> 00:34:06.559
I thought it was delightful, if I remember correctly.

622
00:34:06.900 --> 00:34:07.119
And so.

623
00:34:08.800 --> 00:34:11.260
I also found this one delightful, though I kind of

624
00:34:11.619 --> 00:34:13.460
am with the fans. I feel like this one's about

625
00:34:13.480 --> 00:34:15.280
a point lower than that one for me. It didn't

626
00:34:15.340 --> 00:34:17.510
quite have the zhuzh that that one had, and I

627
00:34:17.550 --> 00:34:20.989
think it's because it wasn't setting up a resolution of

628
00:34:21.050 --> 00:34:25.429
the Mbenga story. This is almost like a spinoff story, right?

629
00:34:25.469 --> 00:34:29.570
Because the Elysian Kinnings started with Mbenga's daughter, but now

630
00:34:29.590 --> 00:34:32.840
we're telling a story about La'an in that same universe, so...

631
00:34:33.210 --> 00:34:35.630
I do like that there's an entity out there where

632
00:34:35.650 --> 00:34:38.920
this fantasy stuff can happen. I think that's very Star Trek-y,

633
00:34:39.699 --> 00:34:43.500
and it's pretty cool. Some of the writing in this

634
00:34:43.579 --> 00:34:48.619
episode was not great, though. It felt to me a

635
00:34:48.679 --> 00:34:51.079
little bit like they couldn't figure out whether they wanted

636
00:34:51.119 --> 00:34:54.010
to go lean into the cheese a little bit or

637
00:34:54.070 --> 00:34:58.190
lean into the seriousness of the stories or lean into

638
00:34:59.150 --> 00:35:02.389
the kind of ridiculousness of the characters but play them straight.

639
00:35:02.880 --> 00:35:04.500
And there were a few different moments, I think, throughout

640
00:35:04.519 --> 00:35:07.300
the entire episode where you saw all three of those things.

641
00:35:07.980 --> 00:35:11.090
So it doesn't hold together as kind of like a

642
00:35:11.789 --> 00:35:16.289
cohesive performance with all of the cast members to me.

643
00:35:16.889 --> 00:35:19.800
Like if you if you workshopped this for like three

644
00:35:19.860 --> 00:35:22.300
months on stage and then performed it, I think you

645
00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:25.739
could get there. with maybe a few script revisions. But yeah,

646
00:35:25.860 --> 00:35:28.360
it just didn't totally wow me in terms of the writing.

647
00:35:28.579 --> 00:35:31.360
So you got La'an, and then you got Pelia. And

648
00:35:31.579 --> 00:35:34.800
I'm kind of with V. I haven't been as down

649
00:35:34.920 --> 00:35:38.719
on Pelia. I haven't completely loved her. I think sometimes

650
00:35:38.760 --> 00:35:40.360
the way that they write her is almost like a...

651
00:35:40.409 --> 00:35:42.010
I don't know, it's like a person in a room

652
00:35:42.070 --> 00:35:46.030
with a condition where they just burst out saying something

653
00:35:46.070 --> 00:35:47.889
that may or may not have any relevance to what's

654
00:35:47.929 --> 00:35:51.230
actually going on. At times, they write her like that.

655
00:35:51.289 --> 00:35:55.230
But generally... She's really goofy. It's Carol Kane. She's an

656
00:35:55.250 --> 00:35:59.030
amazing actress, right? And she has this quirkiness to her.

657
00:35:59.070 --> 00:36:00.610
And I love the fact that she lives in this,

658
00:36:01.670 --> 00:36:03.849
you know, the quarters with all the telephones and like

659
00:36:03.869 --> 00:36:05.730
the weird stuff going on in there and that she's

660
00:36:05.869 --> 00:36:09.820
hung out with Doctor Who. Now she's going to go

661
00:36:10.420 --> 00:36:13.300
like hang out with Miracle Max, right? It just like

662
00:36:13.380 --> 00:36:17.539
the lore that they've woven for her character, for the

663
00:36:17.579 --> 00:36:21.820
Pellia character in a very short amount of time. has

664
00:36:21.860 --> 00:36:24.400
been fast and furious and it doesn't bother me one

665
00:36:24.420 --> 00:36:27.940
bit because it seems to fit her whole like je

666
00:36:27.980 --> 00:36:32.409
ne sais quoi that they've, they've woven into this, um, uh,

667
00:36:32.730 --> 00:36:36.389
this show. So, uh, I liked the Pellaea send off. Uh,

668
00:36:36.769 --> 00:36:38.610
I doubt we'll see her again, but that was cool.

669
00:36:38.630 --> 00:36:40.090
There's a good way to kind of write her off

670
00:36:40.110 --> 00:36:43.309
the show. Uh, Charles, yes, very much. I enjoyed the,

671
00:36:43.510 --> 00:36:47.300
the princess bride references. Uh, you said Miracle Max, you

672
00:36:47.340 --> 00:36:50.699
said as you wish, uh, Also, they went into the

673
00:36:50.820 --> 00:36:55.420
Swamp of Infinite Death, which is not unlike the fire

674
00:36:55.480 --> 00:36:59.619
swamp from Princess Bride, where the rodents of unusual size live.

675
00:36:59.840 --> 00:37:01.940
There was also, I think, a Little Shop of Horrors

676
00:37:02.039 --> 00:37:04.000
plant in there. And I was trying to remember whether

677
00:37:04.039 --> 00:37:07.119
Carol Kane had ever been in a production of Little

678
00:37:07.139 --> 00:37:09.519
Shop of Horrors. But there was one moment where there

679
00:37:09.539 --> 00:37:13.369
was a giant Venus flytrap snapping something in this episode.

680
00:37:13.550 --> 00:37:15.630
And it was during the Pellaea stuff. And I was like,

681
00:37:15.849 --> 00:37:17.769
I wonder if Pellaea has been in it or if

682
00:37:17.929 --> 00:37:20.630
Carol Kane's been in it. a little shop of horrors

683
00:37:20.690 --> 00:37:22.570
along the way. I didn't have a chance to look

684
00:37:22.590 --> 00:37:24.170
that up, but it might be fun to.

685
00:37:24.190 --> 00:37:26.389
I was thinking the bog of eternal stench.

686
00:37:27.030 --> 00:37:30.420
Yeah, there's also that. Yeah, for sure. There was one

687
00:37:30.480 --> 00:37:32.940
kind of cool, like I watched this episode with my wife.

688
00:37:32.980 --> 00:37:35.059
We usually watch strange new worlds together. She is not

689
00:37:35.099 --> 00:37:37.480
a Trekkie. She, you know, she's familiar with kind of

690
00:37:37.500 --> 00:37:40.380
like the general stuff, but like she has been watching

691
00:37:40.420 --> 00:37:43.820
discovery and strange new worlds with me. And today, this

692
00:37:43.880 --> 00:37:48.550
episode gave me the best possible example of one little

693
00:37:48.630 --> 00:37:51.329
technical thing that David will get off on and maybe

694
00:37:51.449 --> 00:37:53.489
none of the rest of you will. But I know

695
00:37:53.530 --> 00:37:57.170
David is familiar with this phenomenon. So in Star Trek

696
00:37:57.190 --> 00:38:00.809
of old, in TOS and into the next generation and

697
00:38:00.849 --> 00:38:04.329
all the way up to Voyager and Enterprise times, When

698
00:38:04.369 --> 00:38:06.750
the ship gets shot and the shields are up, a

699
00:38:06.849 --> 00:38:10.429
sphere of shields forms around the ship and it repels

700
00:38:10.510 --> 00:38:14.349
the shot, right? So it's like, it's like, so people

701
00:38:14.369 --> 00:38:17.730
who are into like tech geekery call that bubble shields.

702
00:38:17.929 --> 00:38:21.570
Ever since Discovery, they have had a different kind of shields.

703
00:38:22.159 --> 00:38:25.000
People who are into tech geekery now call these skin

704
00:38:25.079 --> 00:38:27.980
shields and they're the shields that are right against the

705
00:38:28.039 --> 00:38:32.010
surface of the hull. And this episode had such cool

706
00:38:32.070 --> 00:38:35.050
special effects when the dragon was coming in and breathing

707
00:38:35.170 --> 00:38:38.369
fire on the hall. And you saw the skin shields

708
00:38:38.409 --> 00:38:41.829
like peeling back with this like blue luminescent. I mean,

709
00:38:41.929 --> 00:38:44.360
it was just, it looked so cool. So I know

710
00:38:44.380 --> 00:38:46.420
it's hard to be impressed with special effects these days

711
00:38:46.480 --> 00:38:49.500
because they're everywhere. And like AI is just like where

712
00:38:49.519 --> 00:38:51.460
we live now. But like, I just thought that was

713
00:38:51.480 --> 00:38:56.190
an excellent effect that was really enjoyable to watch. So

714
00:38:56.730 --> 00:38:58.789
I didn't think this was a deep episode. I mean,

715
00:38:58.829 --> 00:39:01.710
it was kind of like it was razor thin plot.

716
00:39:02.150 --> 00:39:04.550
Let's be honest. But we did get resolution of the

717
00:39:04.590 --> 00:39:07.739
La'an thing, which I was satisfied with. And it had

718
00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:10.099
just enough kitsch to it to keep me interested. So

719
00:39:10.280 --> 00:39:11.760
I'm going to give this episode a seven.

720
00:39:11.860 --> 00:39:15.980
All right. A seven from Eric. So David, you get

721
00:39:16.000 --> 00:39:17.940
to be next on our train.

722
00:39:18.719 --> 00:39:22.360
Hey, true, true. All right. So yeah, as many of

723
00:39:22.380 --> 00:39:26.400
you don't know, I am a very big fantasy-style kind

724
00:39:26.440 --> 00:39:28.590
of guy, and I love The Lord of the Rings.

725
00:39:28.619 --> 00:39:31.329
And also, Tuchel mentioned that he didn't know of a

726
00:39:31.349 --> 00:39:34.469
famous red dragon. I would almost suggest Smaug. That's another

727
00:39:34.510 --> 00:39:39.090
reference that another dragon appeared. So, I love dragons, and

728
00:39:39.110 --> 00:39:42.090
I love what Captain Pike mentions about, like, how he

729
00:39:42.130 --> 00:39:44.230
likes to read about dragons, and that's how he knew

730
00:39:44.289 --> 00:39:46.489
about what he was about to do, kind of thing,

731
00:39:46.590 --> 00:39:48.909
when he attacked the ship. So, it's like, you know,

732
00:39:48.949 --> 00:39:49.250
he just.

733
00:39:49.909 --> 00:39:52.469
You mean the sniveling version of Captain Pike?

734
00:39:52.690 --> 00:39:54.769
Yeah, exactly. I can't remember his name.

735
00:39:55.190 --> 00:39:55.550
I don't.

736
00:39:56.469 --> 00:39:56.690
Okay.

737
00:39:57.510 --> 00:40:00.210
Yeah, but anyways, I do have to agree with Paul

738
00:40:00.409 --> 00:40:04.010
and everybody else when they said that Anson Mount and

739
00:40:04.929 --> 00:40:07.710
Ethan Peck did a really good job on their part

740
00:40:07.789 --> 00:40:12.050
to act. I actually did enjoy them when they were

741
00:40:12.090 --> 00:40:13.889
on the ship and everything and just the way that

742
00:40:13.909 --> 00:40:15.809
they were trying to fit in. And then they were

743
00:40:15.849 --> 00:40:17.530
looking at each other in the mirror trying to, like,

744
00:40:18.219 --> 00:40:22.559
say the words, and Bach was like, fascinating. Fascinating. But,

745
00:40:22.900 --> 00:40:27.340
and also, the other thing, too, was when Anson, the

746
00:40:27.380 --> 00:40:31.119
coward character, saw Uhura for the first time, just the

747
00:40:31.340 --> 00:40:34.889
face he made, it was like, it cracked me up. But, yeah,

748
00:40:35.110 --> 00:40:39.230
a lot of good acting. I did like the werewolf scene.

749
00:40:39.250 --> 00:40:43.070
That actually kind of, that actually kind of made me,

750
00:40:43.309 --> 00:40:46.650
what's the word, I didn't see that coming. I knew

751
00:40:46.690 --> 00:40:48.639
that they talked about the werewolf and it kind of

752
00:40:48.679 --> 00:40:52.179
reminded me a little bit of Harry Potter because you

753
00:40:52.239 --> 00:40:55.500
knew that for some odd reason that the character was

754
00:40:55.619 --> 00:40:57.800
going to be the werewolf but I actually thought he

755
00:40:57.820 --> 00:41:01.780
went to fight off some other beast that he saw something.

756
00:41:01.900 --> 00:41:03.780
For some reason I didn't know why I didn't see

757
00:41:03.800 --> 00:41:08.760
that coming. But yeah, this whole thing where Charles mentioned

758
00:41:08.840 --> 00:41:12.130
about the turning into a dragon, I have to admit

759
00:41:12.789 --> 00:41:16.130
growing up, that was my favorite Disney movie ever, The

760
00:41:16.170 --> 00:41:18.449
Sleeping Beauty, just because it had the dragon in it.

761
00:41:19.110 --> 00:41:22.150
I actually enjoyed that part and I liked the way

762
00:41:22.210 --> 00:41:25.989
that they did it. This whole episode was definitely like

763
00:41:26.050 --> 00:41:29.019
a D & D sequence where it was just like, yeah,

764
00:41:29.039 --> 00:41:31.239
it does magic. It doesn't have to make sense. It's just,

765
00:41:31.280 --> 00:41:33.599
you know, it works. Why not? That's what makes a

766
00:41:33.639 --> 00:41:36.019
fantasy movie fun for me. So it's just like, yeah.

767
00:41:36.119 --> 00:41:38.400
And the fact that they had a dragon, I'm not

768
00:41:38.460 --> 00:41:41.139
saying this is my favorite episode out of the whole thing.

769
00:41:41.179 --> 00:41:44.179
And yes, this is Still somewhat of a gimmicky episode

770
00:41:44.480 --> 00:41:49.619
for the season. Still a series. But I don't know.

771
00:41:50.000 --> 00:41:55.400
I really like to look at dragons. I actually read

772
00:41:55.440 --> 00:41:57.619
a lot about dragons, so I know quite a bit

773
00:41:57.639 --> 00:41:58.909
about a lot. I love it.

774
00:41:59.360 --> 00:42:03.769
I love that David's analysis. Dragons are fucking awesome, and

775
00:42:03.809 --> 00:42:07.929
this episode was awesome. Yeah, I don't know.

776
00:42:08.050 --> 00:42:14.670
Anyways, okay, so... But other than that, the episode itself,

777
00:42:15.329 --> 00:42:20.929
I did enjoy the background, the story for the La'an

778
00:42:20.969 --> 00:42:25.900
character and how she was trying to find her inner self,

779
00:42:25.960 --> 00:42:30.280
I guess. That part actually kind of made the story

780
00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:36.000
plot kind of worth watching because everybody has a good

781
00:42:36.079 --> 00:42:38.610
side and a bad side, and a lot of people

782
00:42:38.670 --> 00:42:42.739
don't like to face their bad side of themselves at

783
00:42:42.900 --> 00:42:47.739
all and to me I actually enjoyed the sequence of

784
00:42:47.780 --> 00:42:51.309
them fighting with their swords you would think that what's

785
00:42:51.349 --> 00:42:54.469
her name Princess Talia was like you know just a

786
00:42:54.969 --> 00:42:57.349
princess like didn't really know how to fight but man

787
00:42:57.369 --> 00:42:59.469
did she know how to fight and the fact that

788
00:42:59.590 --> 00:43:03.750
she was fighting herself made me wonder like you really

789
00:43:03.929 --> 00:43:08.159
don't know how people can react especially when you're facing

790
00:43:08.179 --> 00:43:10.500
yourself and it's just like The fact that they just

791
00:43:10.579 --> 00:43:13.760
couldn't defeat each other was like, whoa, that's actually kind

792
00:43:13.780 --> 00:43:18.320
of interesting. But yeah, overall, I really did enjoy this episode,

793
00:43:18.469 --> 00:43:20.530
and I'm kind of up there with you guys with

794
00:43:20.590 --> 00:43:24.969
the whole high numbers, but there was this one thing

795
00:43:25.030 --> 00:43:26.989
I did want to add really quick, and that was,

796
00:43:27.210 --> 00:43:29.230
it didn't make sense to me, and I have to

797
00:43:29.269 --> 00:43:32.510
be nitpicky about this, about the fact that when they

798
00:43:32.570 --> 00:43:34.820
first came to the planet and they were looking all

799
00:43:34.860 --> 00:43:37.659
around and stuff, and they came across this Nvenga character,

800
00:43:38.300 --> 00:43:42.550
it was almost as if The story forgot about him.

801
00:43:43.130 --> 00:43:45.010
And he was just like in the background when they

802
00:43:45.050 --> 00:43:47.880
were all just kind of like, you know, talking about

803
00:43:47.900 --> 00:43:51.659
what to do. And even the security guard, La'an, was like,

804
00:43:51.900 --> 00:43:53.820
had her back to him. It's like, I thought he

805
00:43:53.840 --> 00:43:56.559
was a big threat. What was the point of just

806
00:43:56.599 --> 00:43:59.710
having him there? And then was he there the entire

807
00:43:59.769 --> 00:44:02.789
time when they all changed out of their clothes? I

808
00:44:02.809 --> 00:44:03.130
don't know.

809
00:44:03.150 --> 00:44:04.230
That was kind of weird. Yeah.

810
00:44:05.219 --> 00:44:07.710
But, I mean, the fact that he drew a sword

811
00:44:07.730 --> 00:44:09.989
and everything, and it was just like, it was just

812
00:44:10.030 --> 00:44:12.929
a big threatening scene. It was just kind of weird

813
00:44:12.949 --> 00:44:14.489
to me. I was like, okay, they just kind of

814
00:44:14.550 --> 00:44:18.030
ignored him. It was like, oh, well. But, yeah, that

815
00:44:18.050 --> 00:44:20.010
was the only thing I didn't really like about this episode.

816
00:44:20.130 --> 00:44:24.250
But other than that, yeah. Ah, dragons, what can I say?

817
00:44:25.510 --> 00:44:28.170
I'm going to have to bump this up to about a,

818
00:44:28.329 --> 00:44:30.170
not quite an eight. I'm going to have to go

819
00:44:30.210 --> 00:44:34.510
a little bit in between, probably a 7.7 for me.

820
00:44:34.590 --> 00:44:37.469
Well, that's cool. 7.7. I want you guys to do

821
00:44:37.530 --> 00:44:41.449
me a favor, if you don't mind. My team, Whitney,

822
00:44:41.510 --> 00:44:45.579
who's our IT expert where I work, is.

823
00:44:45.449 --> 00:44:48.139
Watching us right now. And I'd like you guys to

824
00:44:48.179 --> 00:44:50.079
flash her to live long and prosper.

825
00:44:50.099 --> 00:44:53.659
Hey, Whitney. I told her to give her a shout out.

826
00:44:53.739 --> 00:44:54.539
Thanks for joining us.

827
00:44:55.780 --> 00:44:56.880
The first person I met when.

828
00:44:56.820 --> 00:44:58.710
I started working at the school, she's got a big

829
00:44:58.769 --> 00:45:01.110
Enterprise D hanging on top of her desk.

830
00:45:01.269 --> 00:45:02.739
Oh, nice. She's one of the good ones.

831
00:45:03.199 --> 00:45:03.340
Nice.

832
00:45:04.199 --> 00:45:07.030
Thanks for for your support well guys i want to

833
00:45:07.090 --> 00:45:10.429
start off before i talk about the episode by stating

834
00:45:10.469 --> 00:45:13.730
the obvious i love star trek 5 you can see

835
00:45:13.769 --> 00:45:16.940
my autograph posters right here okay over my head and

836
00:45:16.960 --> 00:45:21.380
that's very important that's very very important because in the

837
00:45:21.400 --> 00:45:24.539
world of star trek there's a lot of opinions these

838
00:45:24.619 --> 00:45:28.699
opinions can often be very different like My favorite Star

839
00:45:28.719 --> 00:45:29.300
Trek movie?

840
00:45:29.820 --> 00:45:31.179
Star Trek V, right here.

841
00:45:31.739 --> 00:45:34.210
We had Lawrence Luck and Billy sign this poster for me.

842
00:45:34.289 --> 00:45:39.030
It's the pride of my collection. I truly, truly, truly

843
00:45:39.429 --> 00:45:42.889
love Star Trek V. And that's against the grain. And

844
00:45:42.949 --> 00:45:45.530
so I have to preface that before I talk about

845
00:45:45.550 --> 00:45:51.019
the episode because I hated it. I'm completely on the

846
00:45:51.079 --> 00:45:54.059
opposite end of the spectrum of all of my co-hosts.

847
00:45:54.719 --> 00:45:57.860
I couldn't stand the Kingdom of Elysium, and I couldn't

848
00:45:57.900 --> 00:45:58.739
stand this one either.

849
00:45:59.300 --> 00:46:01.809
Now, I did, I had some problems with it.

850
00:46:01.840 --> 00:46:06.550
First of all, the Kingdom of Elysium, how did this

851
00:46:06.670 --> 00:46:09.369
floating magic planet even show up?

852
00:46:09.550 --> 00:46:10.769
It's not a planet, Jim.

853
00:46:11.789 --> 00:46:12.630
Okay, what is it?

854
00:46:12.690 --> 00:46:14.750
It's an organism. They said that in the episode.

855
00:46:15.690 --> 00:46:17.239
Okay, I went back and watched.

856
00:46:17.519 --> 00:46:18.139
They said.

857
00:46:17.980 --> 00:46:18.420
It's a ship.

858
00:46:18.500 --> 00:46:19.480
Or ship, that's what it was.

859
00:46:19.519 --> 00:46:19.900
It was a ship.

860
00:46:19.960 --> 00:46:20.699
It's a ship, yeah.

861
00:46:21.500 --> 00:46:24.420
And watched the end. I tortured myself.

862
00:46:24.539 --> 00:46:27.639
I took paperclips and put my eyes open and watched

863
00:46:27.699 --> 00:46:30.760
the end of Kingdom of Elysium so that they wouldn't bleed.

864
00:46:31.420 --> 00:46:34.460
This episode just didn't line up with the facts of

865
00:46:34.500 --> 00:46:37.400
the Kingdom of Elysium. First of all, magic didn't work

866
00:46:37.559 --> 00:46:40.519
in the Kingdom of Elysium. But in this episode, Spock

867
00:46:40.559 --> 00:46:43.389
is like wicking out magic left and right. But in

868
00:46:43.409 --> 00:46:47.110
the Kingdom of Elysium, magic didn't work. If you guys remember,

869
00:46:47.329 --> 00:46:50.289
the magician in that one happened to be the awesome

870
00:46:50.329 --> 00:46:51.250
Incredible Hammer.

871
00:46:51.409 --> 00:46:53.969
He couldn't do magic on Andor. He was doing card

872
00:46:54.010 --> 00:46:57.710
checks with a vanguard. So magic didn't work in the

873
00:46:57.730 --> 00:47:00.650
Kingdom of Elysium, but in this episode, it did. That

874
00:47:00.690 --> 00:47:03.130
was kind of weird to me. I didn't like the

875
00:47:03.170 --> 00:47:06.269
whole magic thing. So I didn't like the magic thing.

876
00:47:06.530 --> 00:47:09.699
I didn't like the way the character, like... How am

877
00:47:09.719 --> 00:47:10.320
I going to say this?

878
00:47:10.519 --> 00:47:15.119
I didn't like the characters playing their doppelganger thing like that.

879
00:47:16.420 --> 00:47:20.610
Yeah, that bothered me. Give me an.

880
00:47:20.510 --> 00:47:25.030
Answer, please. Yeah, so you'll remember that in the kingdom

881
00:47:25.429 --> 00:47:30.170
of Elysium, Hammer couldn't do magic, but magic was actually

882
00:47:30.250 --> 00:47:35.110
possible in there. He couldn't, he actually he never actually

883
00:47:35.159 --> 00:47:38.579
was able to do it because his mind was never

884
00:47:38.699 --> 00:47:42.010
like connected with the alien entity that was part of,

885
00:47:42.789 --> 00:47:47.130
that created the kingdom of Elysium. So that's, he like,

886
00:47:47.489 --> 00:47:52.590
remember he's an Aenar, right? So his natural psychic defense

887
00:47:52.800 --> 00:47:58.780
allows him to like resist being controlled by, by an entity,

888
00:47:58.840 --> 00:48:01.380
which is why he wasn't like part of that story

889
00:48:01.400 --> 00:48:04.239
in the same way that everybody else was. So that's

890
00:48:04.280 --> 00:48:06.099
why he wasn't really able to do magic. Cause he

891
00:48:06.139 --> 00:48:08.179
wasn't really like part of the story in the same

892
00:48:08.239 --> 00:48:09.000
way other people were.

893
00:48:11.239 --> 00:48:15.500
See, Leia is getting in the picture here. I guess

894
00:48:15.519 --> 00:48:18.289
she likes the episode because she's trying to get in

895
00:48:18.369 --> 00:48:22.530
on the thing. This is my runa right here. Okay,

896
00:48:24.929 --> 00:48:28.260
so not that I didn't like it, but I will

897
00:48:28.300 --> 00:48:32.070
say this. I thought the special effects were awesome. The

898
00:48:32.110 --> 00:48:35.610
dragon was so cool. David was absolutely right. The dragon was,

899
00:48:35.630 --> 00:48:40.309
I was like, wow, that is some awesome shiznit right there.

900
00:48:40.789 --> 00:48:42.820
A dragon attacking Enterprise.

901
00:48:44.030 --> 00:48:44.219
Cool.

902
00:48:44.880 --> 00:48:52.739
Absolutely cool. I find it humorous. Watching Anson Mount and Mr. Spock,

903
00:48:53.539 --> 00:48:58.679
I mean, Anson Mount and Ethan Peck, Clay, the coward, Roosh,

904
00:48:58.780 --> 00:49:03.119
or whatever his name was, and the wizard, while they're

905
00:49:03.139 --> 00:49:04.840
looking in the mirror, saying, Fascinating.

906
00:49:05.460 --> 00:49:08.780
Fascinating. Hit it. Trying to pretend to be someone else.

907
00:49:09.230 --> 00:49:12.110
I thought that was funny, and it demonstrated the acting

908
00:49:12.170 --> 00:49:17.050
chance of Ansemout and Ethan. When they're walking down the hallway,

909
00:49:17.730 --> 00:49:19.409
and everybody is thinking.

910
00:49:20.849 --> 00:49:23.719
Anselmau says, well, this shit could use some color. How

911
00:49:23.739 --> 00:49:26.699
about some tapestries, you know? And then they walk by

912
00:49:26.719 --> 00:49:28.840
tent board and they're going to go in and have

913
00:49:28.860 --> 00:49:32.460
a drink with the dweebs, you know, and then they're

914
00:49:32.539 --> 00:49:36.900
pounding down the drinks. You know, I thought that was cool.

915
00:49:37.199 --> 00:49:45.539
I liked that. But My biggest....

916
00:49:44.809 --> 00:49:48.989
I'm conflicted. Because here's the thing. We only get nine episodes.

917
00:49:49.329 --> 00:49:53.889
Or ten episodes. This is episode nine. In my opinion,

918
00:49:54.090 --> 00:49:58.960
they utterly wasted it. It was a throwaway, wasted, gimmicky

919
00:49:59.059 --> 00:50:03.480
episode when they should have been focusing on And ending

920
00:50:03.519 --> 00:50:06.500
Star Trek, because now we only have seven episodes left

921
00:50:06.519 --> 00:50:08.900
until Strangely World is over and this is what they

922
00:50:08.920 --> 00:50:09.300
give us?

923
00:50:09.840 --> 00:50:12.900
Another gimmick? It bothered me that they did that.

924
00:50:13.179 --> 00:50:15.280
I think they could have resolved the Talia thing in

925
00:50:15.320 --> 00:50:18.679
a different way than they chose to.

926
00:50:18.860 --> 00:50:21.059
Talia has some great moments in this episode, like when

927
00:50:21.079 --> 00:50:23.489
she says, are we all on drugs or is there

928
00:50:23.550 --> 00:50:24.280
a castle over there?

929
00:50:25.170 --> 00:50:27.659
I was falling off my couch when she said that

930
00:50:27.719 --> 00:50:31.739
she helped Arthur C. Parker sing the Kubrick Bright 2001

931
00:50:31.739 --> 00:50:35.920
Space Odyssey. When she said that the picture of the

932
00:50:35.940 --> 00:50:41.400
Elysian King, I think they got rid of her perfectly.

933
00:50:42.139 --> 00:50:43.940
If they're going to write a character out, this is

934
00:50:43.980 --> 00:50:46.960
the way Pele should go out. You know, move over,

935
00:50:46.980 --> 00:50:49.300
make room for Scotty, and this is right where... Oh,

936
00:50:49.380 --> 00:50:49.679
and hey.

937
00:50:51.820 --> 00:50:55.219
My co-hosts, most of them know. David and V.

938
00:50:55.099 --> 00:51:00.909
Might not know. I never saw The Princess Bride. I

939
00:51:00.929 --> 00:51:03.090
was a Princess Bride fan.

940
00:51:03.250 --> 00:51:05.480
Eric and Charles were like, you've got to watch it.

941
00:51:05.690 --> 00:51:09.730
You've got to watch it. So pretty recently, I think

942
00:51:09.789 --> 00:51:12.530
that was, what, a year or two ago?

943
00:51:12.550 --> 00:51:15.590
Yeah, I'd say within the last year and a half

944
00:51:15.650 --> 00:51:16.250
or so, yeah.

945
00:51:17.030 --> 00:51:20.719
I finally watched The Princess Bride. So I had never

946
00:51:20.780 --> 00:51:24.380
seen it before. So I thought that probably you're hanging out.

947
00:51:24.900 --> 00:51:27.960
All she needed to do was say inconceivable. And that

948
00:51:27.980 --> 00:51:29.019
would have.

949
00:51:28.739 --> 00:51:30.710
Made the whole.

950
00:51:30.769 --> 00:51:36.829
Her line. These stones are inconceivably good or something.

951
00:51:36.909 --> 00:51:40.130
So, you know, I was conflicted because I really enjoyed the,

952
00:51:40.650 --> 00:51:41.869
we liked the special effects.

953
00:51:41.989 --> 00:51:45.219
I didn't like the story. Just didn't care for the story.

954
00:51:46.019 --> 00:51:49.340
Um, If I may come in.

955
00:51:49.380 --> 00:52:01.349
Here really quick, Jim. The dog staying there? The dog

956
00:52:01.369 --> 00:52:04.730
was real? It was a doppelganger dog? Where did the

957
00:52:04.750 --> 00:52:06.909
dog go when she beamed off the ship and left

958
00:52:06.949 --> 00:52:11.010
the dog behind? She just leaves the dog there, beams away,

959
00:52:11.050 --> 00:52:12.130
and then beams back up.

960
00:52:15.019 --> 00:52:17.699
I do think it's fair to ask about the dog,

961
00:52:17.760 --> 00:52:21.389
because I thought that the whole Elysium Kingdom... I didn't

962
00:52:21.429 --> 00:52:24.989
realize that... I'm a little unclear on the Elysium Kingdom

963
00:52:25.130 --> 00:52:28.369
and how it works, if they're actually creating real things,

964
00:52:28.469 --> 00:52:31.070
or if this is all a mental connection type thing.

965
00:52:31.670 --> 00:52:34.909
I haven't... You know what I mean? I mean, the

966
00:52:34.949 --> 00:52:40.320
dog is real now, so apparently Doppelganger Laan is actually

967
00:52:40.360 --> 00:52:41.280
a real... I.

968
00:52:41.260 --> 00:52:44.199
Have a theory about who Rune is. if she's real.

969
00:52:44.409 --> 00:52:47.389
And it's N'Benga's daughter. She put herself and the dog.

970
00:52:49.289 --> 00:52:51.289
And now she wants to be a part of the crew,

971
00:52:51.349 --> 00:52:54.369
I guess. So she's going to have a uniform.

972
00:52:57.050 --> 00:53:00.050
I wonder if the doppelgangers are more like the Mirror Universe.

973
00:53:00.309 --> 00:53:04.289
It is just sort of a dimensional cross that appeared

974
00:53:04.510 --> 00:53:10.340
in this universe. And they actually are doppelgangers of the

975
00:53:10.420 --> 00:53:13.599
actual characters. And the dog was real, and the dog

976
00:53:13.639 --> 00:53:16.340
had to go because somebody was allergic to the dog.

977
00:53:17.179 --> 00:53:18.239
Yeah.

978
00:53:18.530 --> 00:53:20.030
Too bad they didn't put a goatee on a dog.

979
00:53:20.050 --> 00:53:21.210
Yeah, it was Mr.

980
00:53:21.230 --> 00:53:21.849
Prince Darling.

981
00:53:22.030 --> 00:53:26.869
Isn't that wonderful black art episode that I also thoroughly

982
00:53:26.989 --> 00:53:31.690
enjoyed in my sleep? Didn't Mbenga make some comment how

983
00:53:32.550 --> 00:53:35.719
it's amazing that we haven't met our doppelgangers because they're

984
00:53:35.780 --> 00:53:36.099
out there?

985
00:53:36.119 --> 00:53:37.420
Didn't he say something like that?

986
00:53:37.480 --> 00:53:38.119
He did, yeah.

987
00:53:38.760 --> 00:53:38.980
Yeah.

988
00:53:39.400 --> 00:53:41.219
You know, Jim, there was actually one other reference that.

989
00:53:41.159 --> 00:53:43.659
Charles, I don't know, as the probably second most voracious

990
00:53:43.679 --> 00:53:46.550
book reader on the team here, unless I don't know

991
00:53:46.570 --> 00:53:49.730
about V. V, are you a voracious book reader?

992
00:53:49.769 --> 00:53:50.269
I can't remember.

993
00:54:05.789 --> 00:54:06.030
You are.

994
00:54:06.110 --> 00:54:12.949
Okay, so the top three voracious book readers. The flat

995
00:54:13.750 --> 00:54:17.809
ship that was a planet-ish that everybody lived on. Has

996
00:54:17.869 --> 00:54:21.210
anybody read any of the Terry Pratchett Discworld novels?

997
00:54:23.489 --> 00:54:24.699
Oh, yeah.

998
00:54:24.840 --> 00:54:25.280
Oh, yeah.

999
00:54:34.710 --> 00:54:41.530
Well, there's a pretty famous author who has like 40-something

1000
00:54:41.590 --> 00:54:47.000
books that are set on a flat disc that rides

1001
00:54:47.219 --> 00:54:50.260
on the back of a giant space turtle that floats

1002
00:54:50.340 --> 00:54:51.139
through the universe.

1003
00:54:51.579 --> 00:54:54.940
Oh, is this another reference of the Hogfather?

1004
00:54:55.340 --> 00:54:55.929
Sorry, what, David?

1005
00:54:56.260 --> 00:54:58.510
Is this another reference of the Hogfather? There was a

1006
00:54:58.570 --> 00:55:01.110
TV show, a mini TV series about this, where a

1007
00:55:01.150 --> 00:55:03.429
giant turtle was carrying a giant disc.

1008
00:55:03.570 --> 00:55:05.269
It's the writer who has a bunch of novels set

1009
00:55:05.369 --> 00:55:08.610
on a universe-like planet that looks just like this thing,

1010
00:55:08.659 --> 00:55:11.679
except this one doesn't occur on the back of a turtle. But, like,

1011
00:55:11.699 --> 00:55:13.719
the flat thing is, you know.

1012
00:55:14.699 --> 00:55:16.199
At first I thought it was going to be something

1013
00:55:16.219 --> 00:55:21.679
like Shirley, like a magical planet that brings what you're

1014
00:55:21.719 --> 00:55:22.730
thinking to life.

1015
00:55:22.929 --> 00:55:25.889
That's what I was thinking at first. Not this whatever planet.

1016
00:55:26.110 --> 00:55:31.230
This is doppelganger planet yeah so yeah like i said

1017
00:55:31.250 --> 00:55:36.469
yeah you can't be up here while i'm doing so

1018
00:55:36.630 --> 00:55:41.280
anyways my my overall score like i said paul paul

1019
00:55:41.300 --> 00:55:43.880
gave it a six i gotta give it a four

1020
00:55:44.980 --> 00:55:47.659
i was gonna give it a two actually like when

1021
00:55:47.699 --> 00:55:49.199
i when i watched it the first time and i

1022
00:55:49.219 --> 00:55:51.239
put my review up on our facebook page i gave

1023
00:55:51.260 --> 00:55:54.139
it a two But just because I thought the dragon

1024
00:55:54.159 --> 00:55:57.260
was cool and Ansem out and Ethan Peck's talking chops

1025
00:55:57.360 --> 00:55:58.440
were just incredible.

1026
00:55:59.000 --> 00:56:00.780
The hair blowing in the wind.

1027
00:56:01.079 --> 00:56:04.480
Bumped it up from a two to a four. Nice.

1028
00:56:04.599 --> 00:56:06.429
I'm just not there with you.

1029
00:56:06.590 --> 00:56:08.090
Yeah, I actually have a.

1030
00:56:08.110 --> 00:56:10.690
I do have stars of five. I did get this

1031
00:56:10.809 --> 00:56:13.010
interview by telling you. No, no, wait.

1032
00:56:13.269 --> 00:56:14.449
That's just mean to me.

1033
00:56:15.989 --> 00:56:18.570
That's what actually sets the bar of all of Jim's reviews,

1034
00:56:18.630 --> 00:56:20.469
that his favorite thing is Star Trek V.

1035
00:56:20.650 --> 00:56:22.469
If only Star Trek V had a dragon.

1036
00:56:23.030 --> 00:56:25.530
Anyway, if there was a dragon, if the Chaparri was

1037
00:56:25.590 --> 00:56:26.210
a dragon.

1038
00:56:28.530 --> 00:56:31.500
I did have a theory about why they made the

1039
00:56:31.739 --> 00:56:34.239
gimmicky episode for this season. I'm wondering if it had

1040
00:56:34.280 --> 00:56:37.219
something to do with during that time, they didn't know

1041
00:56:37.280 --> 00:56:39.280
that they were going to be canceled. So then they

1042
00:56:39.320 --> 00:56:39.679
got the.

1043
00:56:42.130 --> 00:56:45.030
What do they call it? The script and everything. The

1044
00:56:45.670 --> 00:56:48.650
scripts and everything were probably already made, and they didn't

1045
00:56:48.670 --> 00:56:51.429
want to go back and remake them, especially after they

1046
00:56:51.449 --> 00:56:53.510
probably found out that they're going to be canceled in

1047
00:56:53.530 --> 00:56:56.260
the fifth season. So I'm wondering if that's why there's

1048
00:56:56.300 --> 00:56:58.860
so many gimmicky episodes in this season.

1049
00:57:01.400 --> 00:57:01.880
Jesus.

1050
00:57:03.360 --> 00:57:05.639
I swear to God, if the whole season is a dream,

1051
00:57:05.760 --> 00:57:06.860
I'm going to kill somebody.

1052
00:57:06.880 --> 00:57:07.400
I agree.

1053
00:57:09.530 --> 00:57:10.769
Don't kill any dragons.

1054
00:57:10.789 --> 00:57:15.349
This is what they're putting in his mind.

1055
00:57:15.530 --> 00:57:15.909
Yeah.

1056
00:57:16.590 --> 00:57:19.469
I would hate that so much.

1057
00:57:19.650 --> 00:57:20.309
No, seriously.

1058
00:57:20.329 --> 00:57:27.449
Here's the incredibly awesome Magnitude of Orders episode. And the

1059
00:57:27.510 --> 00:57:32.539
incredible All-Power episode, which I think were two of the best,

1060
00:57:32.679 --> 00:57:34.199
and they followed it up with this.

1061
00:57:34.679 --> 00:57:35.079
I don't know.

1062
00:57:35.519 --> 00:57:40.730
So, uh, Charles, even with my crappy score, how do

1063
00:57:40.769 --> 00:57:45.199
we end with our fans on Facebook?

1064
00:57:45.340 --> 00:57:49.900
Well, our fans gave it a 7.2.

1065
00:57:49.900 --> 00:57:53.619
The host gave it a 6.6.

1066
00:57:53.880 --> 00:58:00.719
That's thanks to me. Yeah. Oh, well. You can't love

1067
00:58:00.760 --> 00:58:03.159
them all. I'll tell you this. You're going to love

1068
00:58:03.179 --> 00:58:03.940
tonight's episode.

1069
00:58:04.019 --> 00:58:04.519
It's all the time.

1070
00:58:05.360 --> 00:58:08.460
So I can't wait to talk. Hopefully these new computer comes.

1071
00:58:08.500 --> 00:58:11.940
So by next week, she'll be all set up. And

1072
00:58:12.179 --> 00:58:15.059
I sent via computer. So she should be set up

1073
00:58:15.099 --> 00:58:16.880
for next week. So that should be cool.

1074
00:58:17.519 --> 00:58:18.619
Excellent, actually.

1075
00:58:19.519 --> 00:58:23.219
So yeah, that wraps up this week's episode of Once

1076
00:58:23.280 --> 00:58:25.650
Upon a Time. We have one more episode, which is

1077
00:58:25.699 --> 00:58:27.869
tonight's episode. And I did want to mention one thing

1078
00:58:27.889 --> 00:58:29.409
that happened. I was going to put it in Star

1079
00:58:29.449 --> 00:58:31.530
Trek news. Yeah, maybe we'll talk about it.

1080
00:58:31.570 --> 00:58:33.530
No, we won't. We'll do it now. This segue is

1081
00:58:33.550 --> 00:58:34.050
good with this.

1082
00:58:34.699 --> 00:58:38.280
So Warner Brothers and Paramount are now officially merged, and

1083
00:58:38.380 --> 00:58:39.940
they're calling it WarnerMount.

1084
00:58:41.119 --> 00:58:43.099
And part of the agreement that they have is.

1085
00:58:43.579 --> 00:58:48.840
This new company, they have to produce 32 movies a year.

1086
00:58:50.599 --> 00:58:53.699
And if you guys don't remember, they canceled Star Trek.

1087
00:58:53.739 --> 00:58:57.559
They canceled Strange New Worlds. They canceled Starfleet Academy. They

1088
00:58:57.579 --> 00:59:00.199
destroyed the set because what did they say they wanted

1089
00:59:00.239 --> 00:59:05.900
to do? Make Star Trek movies. So I think that

1090
00:59:05.920 --> 00:59:10.309
this is part of their agreement They're going to start

1091
00:59:10.530 --> 00:59:16.090
kicking out movies. One of their agreements was a $ 50

1092
00:59:15.710 --> 00:59:19.489
million budget, which isn't very high. So we might be

1093
00:59:19.530 --> 00:59:23.340
seeing Star Trek movies kicking out here once a year

1094
00:59:24.059 --> 00:59:26.420
to fulfill that contract. And that might be where they're

1095
00:59:26.460 --> 00:59:30.400
heading towards and why they're canceling all the TV shows. Maybe,

1096
00:59:30.440 --> 00:59:33.119
maybe not, but we'll see. So at any rate, that

1097
00:59:33.159 --> 00:59:36.190
wraps up our review. I hope you guys enjoyed it.

1098
00:59:36.639 --> 00:59:40.329
I still have the suspicion that Rune is in Banger's Daughter.

1099
00:59:42.170 --> 00:59:43.769
It could be. It could be.

1100
00:59:44.230 --> 00:59:47.989
We'll have to wait and see. But at this point

1101
00:59:48.250 --> 00:59:51.449
in time, it's all... You know what it is?

1102
00:59:51.550 --> 00:59:53.630
It's Cybok. He's taking her pain.

1103
00:59:53.650 --> 00:59:53.949
Oh, no.

1104
00:59:54.480 --> 00:59:57.880
Okay, so that's three, oh my gosh, that's three end-of-season theories.

1105
00:59:57.960 --> 00:59:59.820
Now Charles and I have to come up with one.

1106
00:59:59.840 --> 01:00:04.840
Yeah, where is Cyborg? Is that Cyborg episode that we

1107
01:00:04.860 --> 01:00:06.969
saw the only Cyborg one? I mean, I hope he

1108
01:00:06.989 --> 01:00:07.949
shows up in season five.

1109
01:00:08.030 --> 01:00:11.429
If you have a sexy Cyborg, you gotta have him.

1110
01:00:11.510 --> 01:00:12.489
A sexy Cyborg.

1111
01:00:12.969 --> 01:00:13.590
Oh my gosh.

1112
01:00:13.630 --> 01:00:16.530
Imagine if you showed up in season five like that,

1113
01:00:16.550 --> 01:00:18.670
instead of, you know, a lot of slugging.

1114
01:00:19.590 --> 01:00:22.429
Yeah, he had a rough life between that and Star

1115
01:00:22.469 --> 01:00:23.869
Trek V, so yeah.

1116
01:00:23.929 --> 01:00:28.449
Yeah, he had it tough. He had it tough.

1117
01:00:28.570 --> 01:00:30.699
Yeah, I bet Dee would have loved to have seen

1118
01:00:30.760 --> 01:00:32.179
Sean Connery in leather.

1119
01:00:33.699 --> 01:00:37.639
Yeah. Yeah, he really loved talking to hell.

1120
01:00:39.639 --> 01:00:42.219
All right, guys, so this is the part of the

1121
01:00:42.260 --> 01:00:45.550
show where we do our sci-fi birthdays.

1122
01:00:46.550 --> 01:00:47.889
That was not a Klingon song.

1123
01:00:47.909 --> 01:00:51.000
No, the underworld says that every week, but we like

1124
01:00:51.019 --> 01:00:51.639
it anyway.

1125
01:01:10.960 --> 01:01:14.570
So we always start off our sci-fi birthdays by sadly

1126
01:01:14.590 --> 01:01:17.710
enough remembering those members of our sci-fi family who are

1127
01:01:17.750 --> 01:01:18.550
no longer with us.

1128
01:01:19.110 --> 01:01:20.829
And for that, we turn to Eric.

1129
01:01:20.889 --> 01:01:25.550
Yeah, Jim, this week I am particularly excited to start

1130
01:01:25.590 --> 01:01:27.550
with the person who we're going to start with. So

1131
01:01:27.570 --> 01:01:30.139
we're going beyond to start with, and we are going

1132
01:01:30.159 --> 01:01:33.579
to say happy birthday to the great Adam West. That's right,

1133
01:01:33.619 --> 01:01:36.480
he was the American actor who lived from September 1928

1134
01:01:36.480 --> 01:01:41.840
to June 9th, 2017. He acted out the role of

1135
01:01:41.960 --> 01:01:45.659
Bruce Wayne slash Batman in the Batman television series of

1136
01:01:45.800 --> 01:01:50.110
the late 1960s and its various spinoffs. A victim of typecasting,

1137
01:01:50.179 --> 01:01:54.730
West reemerged to voice other versions of Batman with 1977's

1138
01:01:54.969 --> 01:01:58.110
The New Adventures of Batman and the Super Friends cartoon

1139
01:01:58.250 --> 01:02:02.539
of the mid-1980s. He also made a couple of guest

1140
01:02:02.599 --> 01:02:06.099
appearances later in his career in some of the other

1141
01:02:06.119 --> 01:02:09.630
shows like Batman the Animated Series. I have to tell you,

1142
01:02:09.690 --> 01:02:11.530
and I think I've said it on this podcast before,

1143
01:02:11.610 --> 01:02:14.570
but every afternoon I would come home from school and

1144
01:02:14.630 --> 01:02:17.989
my television routine was to watch General Hospital with my

1145
01:02:18.010 --> 01:02:22.820
mother and then to watch Batman, which happened right immediately afterward.

1146
01:02:23.260 --> 01:02:25.579
And to me, that was the greatest one-two punch in

1147
01:02:25.619 --> 01:02:28.880
television that you could ever imagine because it was like

1148
01:02:29.380 --> 01:02:32.719
the drama stories of the soap opera and then the

1149
01:02:32.760 --> 01:02:37.429
like kitschy comedy uh, hero work of Adam West and, uh,

1150
01:02:37.530 --> 01:02:40.570
Burt Ward, uh, you know, playing Batman and Robin. So

1151
01:02:41.530 --> 01:02:48.170
just absolutely. Yeah, that's right. No, but you know what, V,

1152
01:02:48.210 --> 01:02:50.860
I do carry shark spray in my bag every single day.

1153
01:02:50.949 --> 01:02:54.699
So, yeah. You know what I remember? He played, he

1154
01:02:54.760 --> 01:02:58.219
played himself. Is that calling up the outside of the

1155
01:02:58.260 --> 01:02:59.280
building on the roofs?

1156
01:02:59.320 --> 01:02:59.539
Yeah.

1157
01:02:59.579 --> 01:03:02.019
And the people opening up the windows? Yeah. Is that

1158
01:03:02.059 --> 01:03:03.099
calling up the side?

1159
01:03:03.539 --> 01:03:06.119
Yeah, the famous people, they would get famous people to

1160
01:03:06.139 --> 01:03:07.949
make cameo appearances in that scene.

1161
01:03:07.969 --> 01:03:08.090
Yeah.

1162
01:03:08.110 --> 01:03:08.820
What were you saying, V?

1163
01:03:08.809 --> 01:03:12.610
I was saying that he played Mayor Adam West on

1164
01:03:12.750 --> 01:03:14.489
Family Guy. Does anybody remember that?

1165
01:03:14.510 --> 01:03:14.900
That's right.

1166
01:03:15.239 --> 01:03:16.719
He was hilarious.

1167
01:03:17.280 --> 01:03:18.519
He was hilarious.

1168
01:03:18.659 --> 01:03:18.739
Yeah.

1169
01:03:18.760 --> 01:03:18.860
Yeah.

1170
01:03:20.110 --> 01:03:22.380
Well, I just have a super soft spot in my

1171
01:03:22.400 --> 01:03:25.480
heart for Adam West and in particular for Batman. So

1172
01:03:26.019 --> 01:03:27.679
I'm happy to say happy birthday to him.

1173
01:03:27.699 --> 01:03:28.360
Yeah.

1174
01:03:28.739 --> 01:03:31.019
I watched it when it originally aired.

1175
01:03:32.659 --> 01:03:33.800
Oh, yeah.

1176
01:03:34.139 --> 01:03:34.440
Yeah.

1177
01:03:34.699 --> 01:03:37.659
I obviously was watching it in syndication, but it was

1178
01:03:37.800 --> 01:03:40.980
on same time every day for years. So I definitely

1179
01:03:41.019 --> 01:03:42.860
saw lots and lots of Batman.

1180
01:03:43.110 --> 01:03:48.829
And what's her name? I can't think of. will play Catwoman.

1181
01:03:49.849 --> 01:03:51.989
Perfect hit.

1182
01:03:52.050 --> 01:03:52.550
Yeah.

1183
01:03:53.280 --> 01:03:53.550
Yeah.

1184
01:03:54.940 --> 01:03:58.760
Well, happy birthday to Adam West, who took us just

1185
01:03:58.780 --> 01:04:01.760
a little bit beyond Star Trek. But bringing it back

1186
01:04:01.800 --> 01:04:03.739
to Star Trek, we're going to say happy birthday this

1187
01:04:03.800 --> 01:04:08.500
week to Carolyn McCormick, the actress who played Minuet on

1188
01:04:08.539 --> 01:04:11.079
the Next Generation first season episode 11001001.

1189
01:04:11.079 --> 01:04:11.150
And.

1190
01:04:14.909 --> 01:04:17.800
Minryker in the fourth season of Future Imperfect.

1191
01:04:18.119 --> 01:04:19.039
That's right.

1192
01:04:19.679 --> 01:04:22.460
Archive footage from her first appearance was reused in the

1193
01:04:22.519 --> 01:04:26.679
second season episode Shades of Grey as well. Forgot that,

1194
01:04:26.739 --> 01:04:27.079
didn't you?

1195
01:04:27.340 --> 01:04:27.500
Yeah.

1196
01:04:28.219 --> 01:04:30.699
Carolyn was of course best known for her reoccurring role

1197
01:04:30.820 --> 01:04:34.500
as Dr. Elizabeth Olivier on Law and Order, in which

1198
01:04:34.539 --> 01:04:36.480
she appeared in 87 episodes between 1991 and 2009. She

1199
01:04:36.519 --> 01:04:44.380
also previously had leading roles as Assistant District Attorney Rita

1200
01:04:44.480 --> 01:04:48.690
Fior in Spencer for Hire. Does that sound familiar? Yeah,

1201
01:04:48.730 --> 01:04:53.210
that's that Avery Brooks show from 1986 to 1987. Later

1202
01:04:53.250 --> 01:04:58.940
projects included the romance Downtown Express, the thriller True Nature,

1203
01:04:59.059 --> 01:05:02.900
and a reoccurring role as Judge Burdette in three episodes

1204
01:05:03.099 --> 01:05:07.199
of One Life to Live from 2010. Happy birthday to

1205
01:05:07.280 --> 01:05:11.510
Carolyn McCormick. Happy birthday as well to actress Kathy Brown.

1206
01:05:12.289 --> 01:05:15.750
She was the California-based actress who appeared as Dila in

1207
01:05:15.849 --> 01:05:19.329
the original series' third season episode, Wink of an Eye.

1208
01:05:20.070 --> 01:05:24.699
The blonde-haired, blue-eyed beauty played mainly ingenue parts and was

1209
01:05:24.929 --> 01:05:30.539
very busy during her TV acting career of the 1960s

1210
01:05:30.579 --> 01:05:33.440
and 70s, but always in little tiny bit parts here

1211
01:05:33.480 --> 01:05:36.309
and there. But one of her most famous acting roles

1212
01:05:36.349 --> 01:05:40.489
was as the prospective bride of Adam Cartwright during the

1213
01:05:40.489 --> 01:05:45.840
1963 to 1964 season of Bonanza. Various shows all over

1214
01:05:45.880 --> 01:05:47.619
the place. I mean, you name it. Back in the day,

1215
01:05:47.639 --> 01:05:51.159
you got your Gunsmokes, your Perry Masons, My Favorite Martian,

1216
01:05:51.199 --> 01:05:54.820
Wagon Train, Wild Wild West, Fantasy Island. She was on

1217
01:05:54.920 --> 01:05:56.929
all those shows back in the day. So Kathy Brown,

1218
01:05:56.949 --> 01:05:59.909
a face I'm sure many of you recognize, subscribers can

1219
01:05:59.949 --> 01:06:03.760
recognize her. right now as they see David's amazing presentation.

1220
01:06:03.840 --> 01:06:06.619
Thank you for that. And happy birthday to Kathy Brown.

1221
01:06:07.670 --> 01:06:09.929
And last but not least on our remembrances, we're going

1222
01:06:09.949 --> 01:06:12.889
to say happy birthday this week to Henry Gibson, the

1223
01:06:12.929 --> 01:06:16.909
prolific character actor who played Nilva in the Deep Space

1224
01:06:16.969 --> 01:06:22.320
Nine six season episode, Prophet and Lace. Outside of Star Trek,

1225
01:06:22.340 --> 01:06:25.099
he's best remembered as a regular performer on the television

1226
01:06:25.139 --> 01:06:30.190
variety series, Rowan and Martin's Laugh-In. From 1968 to 1970,

1227
01:06:30.190 --> 01:06:33.210
you recognize his face, right? Yeah, you've seen it. He

1228
01:06:33.250 --> 01:06:35.250
went on to appear in a large number of films,

1229
01:06:35.309 --> 01:06:38.590
including several from Robert Altman and Joe Dante. Gibson worked

1230
01:06:38.610 --> 01:06:44.929
with director Robert Altman on The Long Goodbye in 1973.

1231
01:06:44.929 --> 01:06:48.710
But his best-known film role is as country singer Haven

1232
01:06:48.789 --> 01:06:56.190
Hamilton in Altman's acclaimed 1975 musical drama Nashville. If you

1233
01:06:56.230 --> 01:06:58.809
haven't seen that and get an opportunity to see it,

1234
01:06:58.809 --> 01:07:03.030
you should probably see it. Douglas S. Kramer, the executive

1235
01:07:03.090 --> 01:07:05.809
in charge of production on Star Trek, the original series,

1236
01:07:05.849 --> 01:07:09.139
who worked with Gibson on the television series Wonder Woman,

1237
01:07:09.719 --> 01:07:13.820
referred to Gibson as a comic genius of the 1960s

1238
01:07:13.840 --> 01:07:16.280
and 1970s. And I would say that I probably agree

1239
01:07:16.300 --> 01:07:19.699
with that. I remember him in particular from the Blues

1240
01:07:19.719 --> 01:07:24.000
Brothers and National Lampoon's Vacation series. But he was also

1241
01:07:24.059 --> 01:07:29.019
in Magnolia, Wedding Crashers, and myriad other things. So amazing actor,

1242
01:07:29.079 --> 01:07:34.769
Henry Gibson, unfortunately lost to us way back in 2009.

1243
01:07:34.769 --> 01:07:39.690
Happy birthday to Henry Gibson. And that does it for

1244
01:07:39.889 --> 01:07:45.449
our remembrances. But before I actually pass it back over

1245
01:07:45.489 --> 01:07:49.800
to Charles, I actually stole one birthday from Charles this week.

1246
01:07:49.820 --> 01:07:52.420
So I'm sorry, Charles. Charles, to do this to you

1247
01:07:54.159 --> 01:07:59.519
on the fly, but I really wanted to be the

1248
01:07:59.539 --> 01:08:03.219
person to say happy birthday to the very much living

1249
01:08:04.179 --> 01:08:09.010
Tatiana Maslany. She is only 40 years old, born in 1985. She,

1250
01:08:09.050 --> 01:08:12.269
of course, is the actress who played Anisha Mir. in

1251
01:08:12.309 --> 01:08:16.069
the Star Trek Starfleet Academy first season episodes Kids These Days,

1252
01:08:16.630 --> 01:08:20.729
300th Night, and Rubicon. But we all, of course, best

1253
01:08:20.789 --> 01:08:25.119
know her for starring in Orphan Black, for which she

1254
01:08:25.159 --> 01:08:28.899
won an Emmy Award as Best Actress in a Drama Series.

1255
01:08:29.520 --> 01:08:31.939
She's the first Canadian to win an Emmy in a

1256
01:08:32.000 --> 01:08:35.850
major dramatic category for acting in a Canadian series. She

1257
01:08:35.890 --> 01:08:40.590
also starred in the Marvel superhero series She-Hulk. attorney at

1258
01:08:40.670 --> 01:08:44.890
law as jennifer walters slash she hulk and i just

1259
01:08:44.949 --> 01:08:48.210
thought that orphan black was such a fantastic show and

1260
01:08:48.229 --> 01:08:50.989
if you don't know anything about that show tatiana maslany

1261
01:08:51.229 --> 01:08:55.829
plays i believe it's something like 27 different characters in

1262
01:08:55.850 --> 01:09:00.220
that show over the course of seven seasons. You see

1263
01:09:00.279 --> 01:09:03.979
some of them on the screen here. So just fantastic actress.

1264
01:09:04.039 --> 01:09:05.560
I love her so much. And it was so cool

1265
01:09:05.600 --> 01:09:07.880
to see her show up in Star Trek. So thank you, Charles,

1266
01:09:08.479 --> 01:09:11.199
for letting me steal that birthday from you. I will

1267
01:09:11.279 --> 01:09:15.399
go ahead and pass the flaming birthday candle at this

1268
01:09:15.479 --> 01:09:16.579
point over to my good.

1269
01:09:16.500 --> 01:09:16.880
Friend, Vy.

1270
01:09:22.729 --> 01:09:27.850
He played Frank on TNG Angel One, while, as in

1271
01:09:27.890 --> 01:09:32.960
the golden version that you see there, on TNG The Spring,

1272
01:09:33.239 --> 01:09:38.960
and Tomar, the agent, Virtuoso. Happy birthday goes out to

1273
01:09:39.100 --> 01:09:43.579
Alder Scott. He's an actor who played Frank in the

1274
01:09:43.600 --> 01:09:50.130
Star Trek short film, episode, Calypso. Next, happy birthday goes

1275
01:09:50.210 --> 01:09:53.850
out to Sierra Stewart, You were a star actor to

1276
01:09:53.949 --> 01:10:01.189
play Kattel as Selah in the TNG Four Seasons episode eight. Next,

1277
01:10:01.270 --> 01:10:04.680
I'd like to say to Carl Held, you were a

1278
01:10:04.720 --> 01:10:08.539
star actor to play Lindstrom in the TNG Four Seasons episode,

1279
01:10:08.600 --> 01:10:14.350
The Return of the Arbiter. Next, I was trying to

1280
01:10:14.390 --> 01:10:19.409
practice doing something with his last name because I love

1281
01:10:19.470 --> 01:10:24.970
him so much. He's a Nigerian-American actor who plays Joseph

1282
01:10:25.090 --> 01:10:30.729
Mbenga in Star Trek The Green New World. Oh, here's

1283
01:10:30.829 --> 01:10:33.529
a good one. I love his book that returned in

1284
01:10:33.560 --> 01:10:36.640
the movie. I'm a fan of. It's the one and

1285
01:10:36.840 --> 01:10:42.489
only Stephen King. He's an American author. Doug is the

1286
01:10:42.670 --> 01:10:47.300
king of horror. He is widely known for his horror fiction.

1287
01:10:47.840 --> 01:10:50.819
It's a few of Terry's that work him in horror.

1288
01:10:51.300 --> 01:10:55.239
Among the films that Doug did, the king of horror, Terry,

1289
01:10:55.970 --> 01:11:01.329
The Shining, The Dead Son, Stand By Me, Save Mary,

1290
01:11:01.810 --> 01:11:08.590
The Shawshank Redemption, another favorite, Dolores Claiborne, The Green Mile, It,

1291
01:11:10.609 --> 01:11:13.310
there's a heck of a meaning of the life of

1292
01:11:13.630 --> 01:11:16.449
a cat and the long walk.

1293
01:11:17.010 --> 01:11:20.989
Well yeah and don't I gotta say don't forget about

1294
01:11:21.050 --> 01:11:25.479
the Gunslinger series that's my absolute favorite Stephen King of

1295
01:11:25.529 --> 01:11:29.439
all time yeah seven amazing books that actually tie into

1296
01:11:29.539 --> 01:11:32.899
so many of his other works as well oh.

1297
01:11:32.920 --> 01:11:35.020
I would have to add in my first book that

1298
01:11:35.140 --> 01:11:38.619
I actually read from him was Pet Sematary But of

1299
01:11:38.659 --> 01:11:42.210
his series, my favorite is The Stand. That Stand is

1300
01:11:42.250 --> 01:11:47.050
such a fabulous book. And I recommend it to Eric.

1301
01:11:47.590 --> 01:11:52.069
Stephen King's not always horror. I recommend fans go back

1302
01:11:52.170 --> 01:11:53.390
and read Fairy Tales.

1303
01:11:54.670 --> 01:11:57.029
It's not a horror book. It's a fantasy book, but

1304
01:11:57.050 --> 01:11:58.069
it's a very good book.

1305
01:12:08.939 --> 01:12:10.500
Does anybody remember that?

1306
01:12:12.489 --> 01:12:13.189
Oh, yeah, for sure.

1307
01:12:13.250 --> 01:12:15.470
Is that why he wrote the book The Long Walk?

1308
01:12:16.130 --> 01:12:19.750
No, but he did write... No.

1309
01:12:25.239 --> 01:12:26.079
Yeah.

1310
01:12:27.380 --> 01:12:29.640
Anyway. Let's not forget 1982's Creepshow.

1311
01:12:32.050 --> 01:12:35.800
The anthology, he wrote the story, and he starred in it,

1312
01:12:36.390 --> 01:12:39.890
about the asteroid that crashes, and Geordi finds it.

1313
01:12:39.920 --> 01:12:41.840
His character was Geordi. He's going to sell it.

1314
01:12:41.859 --> 01:12:44.819
He touches it, and he gets green moss on his fingers,

1315
01:12:44.859 --> 01:12:48.859
and he turns into a giant moss creature and blows

1316
01:12:48.899 --> 01:12:50.579
his own mossy head.

1317
01:12:50.520 --> 01:12:53.539
Off at the end. Poop show, 1982. Spoilers. I love

1318
01:12:53.560 --> 01:12:55.159
Star Trek V, okay?

1319
01:12:55.199 --> 01:12:55.340
Yeah.

1320
01:13:01.670 --> 01:13:06.909
Yeah v v i was just uh i was remembering

1321
01:13:06.930 --> 01:13:08.550
what you were just talking about and i just did

1322
01:13:08.590 --> 01:13:12.310
a quick google on it so um after that accident

1323
01:13:12.590 --> 01:13:15.189
is when he wrote that book dream catcher and i

1324
01:13:15.210 --> 01:13:17.899
don't know if you if you read that book but

1325
01:13:17.939 --> 01:13:21.100
that's the story where he kind of tells the story

1326
01:13:21.149 --> 01:13:23.180
of an author who gets hit by a car and

1327
01:13:24.899 --> 01:13:27.600
it's like it was like his way to process getting

1328
01:13:27.659 --> 01:13:30.380
hit by the car so if Yeah, if you haven't

1329
01:13:30.420 --> 01:13:34.359
read Dreamcatcher, it's actually kind of a cool... It's not

1330
01:13:34.380 --> 01:13:36.680
really horror, but it's definitely in that realm of, like,

1331
01:13:36.760 --> 01:13:39.640
dream weirdness, you know, kind of book.

1332
01:13:39.699 --> 01:13:42.189
Yeah, and if you watch the movie, it has weasels

1333
01:13:42.239 --> 01:13:42.930
in the movie.

1334
01:13:44.399 --> 01:13:45.729
Oh, is there a movie of that one?

1335
01:13:46.689 --> 01:13:47.689
Yeah.

1336
01:13:47.710 --> 01:13:48.869
Oh, I didn't know that.

1337
01:13:50.710 --> 01:13:53.210
It's a weird movie. Whoa, okay.

1338
01:13:53.229 --> 01:13:57.010
Yeah, well, anyway.

1339
01:13:58.840 --> 01:14:01.979
My last happy birthday goes out to Ralph Lauren Bowers.

1340
01:14:02.560 --> 01:14:09.649
He plays Demar in the second season of The Outrageous O'Connor.

1341
01:14:09.689 --> 01:14:13.810
Not one of my favorites, but it's okay. And best

1342
01:14:13.850 --> 01:14:17.729
known for her portrayal of Dr. Wendy Smith in the

1343
01:14:17.770 --> 01:14:20.550
second season of Beast Quest.

1344
01:14:20.770 --> 01:14:22.119
Thank you, Vee.

1345
01:14:23.399 --> 01:14:28.500
Let's start off with a happy birthday to John Berthold.

1346
01:14:29.479 --> 01:14:33.069
Gained critical acclaim and prominence for his portrayal as Shane

1347
01:14:33.109 --> 01:14:37.840
Walsh in the AMC series The Walking Dead. In 2015,

1348
01:14:37.829 --> 01:14:41.229
he was cast as Frank Castle, Punisher, as part of

1349
01:14:41.449 --> 01:14:48.060
the Netflix MCU series. He debuted on the Daredevil season,

1350
01:14:48.319 --> 01:14:51.689
second season of Daredevil, before starring in his own series,

1351
01:14:51.699 --> 01:14:56.409
The Punisher, in 2017. Most recently appeared as Frank Castle, Punisher,

1352
01:14:56.869 --> 01:15:02.989
alongside Tom Holland in the movie Spider-Man, Brand New Day, Menzelius,

1353
01:15:03.050 --> 01:15:08.100
The King of Spartan, and Christopher Nolan's 2026 epic movie,

1354
01:15:08.140 --> 01:15:08.880
The Odyssey.

1355
01:15:08.920 --> 01:15:13.659
Yeah, he's also the brother, the... the catalyst for much

1356
01:15:13.680 --> 01:15:15.859
of the story of the bear. If you're not watching

1357
01:15:15.930 --> 01:15:20.630
the bear on Apple TV slash Hulu, that's a fantastic

1358
01:15:20.670 --> 01:15:24.069
series about a restaurant. And he's the brother who kind

1359
01:15:24.109 --> 01:15:27.090
of dies at the beginning of the series. And they

1360
01:15:27.130 --> 01:15:30.050
often bring him back as kind of a memory as

1361
01:15:30.090 --> 01:15:30.649
part of the show.

1362
01:15:30.729 --> 01:15:31.479
Thank you, Eric.

1363
01:15:32.489 --> 01:15:37.460
Happy birthday to Suzanne Watson, actress who played Lethe in

1364
01:15:37.520 --> 01:15:41.880
Star Trek's original series. Original series first season episode, Dagger

1365
01:15:41.960 --> 01:15:42.600
of the Mind.

1366
01:15:42.760 --> 01:15:44.460
Happy birthday, Jeremy Roberts.

1367
01:15:45.239 --> 01:15:50.239
Actress who played Lieutenant Commander Damar Valtaine in Star Trek IV,

1368
01:15:50.579 --> 01:15:55.699
Star Trek VI, The Undercircle Country. And Voyager's third season episode, Flashback.

1369
01:15:57.029 --> 01:16:01.739
And Miso Clan and DS9' s fourth season episode, Hippocratic Oath.

1370
01:16:01.880 --> 01:16:04.979
You guys, we interviewed him on this podcast, and he

1371
01:16:05.000 --> 01:16:06.359
was a lot of fun to talk to.

1372
01:16:06.920 --> 01:16:07.520
If you go over to.

1373
01:16:07.539 --> 01:16:10.970
Trucktalking.com and you look up Special Guest, you can find

1374
01:16:11.020 --> 01:16:11.659
his interview.

1375
01:16:12.109 --> 01:16:14.569
Give it a listen. He had a lot of good stories.

1376
01:16:14.810 --> 01:16:16.970
He worked with Chevy Chase on Christmas Vacation.

1377
01:16:17.010 --> 01:16:19.270
He was in The X-Files. He's been in a lot

1378
01:16:19.289 --> 01:16:22.170
of stuff. So go over to trucktalking.com, listen to our

1379
01:16:22.189 --> 01:16:23.270
interview with him. He's a lot of fun.

1380
01:16:24.060 --> 01:16:26.779
Yeah, and Jim, it's been a very long time since

1381
01:16:26.859 --> 01:16:30.319
I mentioned Star Trek Attack Wing, but Valtaine has one

1382
01:16:30.359 --> 01:16:32.720
of the best cards in Star Trek Attack Wing. So

1383
01:16:32.880 --> 01:16:35.420
if you still play that game, which David and I

1384
01:16:35.479 --> 01:16:38.550
still do on occasion, if your ship has a scan

1385
01:16:38.590 --> 01:16:41.449
token beside it when you attack, you can reroll two

1386
01:16:41.470 --> 01:16:46.130
of your attack dice with Valtaine. So he's classic for

1387
01:16:46.170 --> 01:16:48.510
many attack-based builds in Star Trek Attack Wing.

1388
01:16:48.670 --> 01:16:49.289
Very nice.

1389
01:16:49.569 --> 01:16:51.510
Then a couple of good ones coming up.

1390
01:16:52.319 --> 01:16:57.560
Happy birthday to Christina Chong, English actor who played Leon

1391
01:16:57.659 --> 01:17:01.569
Noonien Singh in Star Trek Strange New Worlds. She was

1392
01:17:01.649 --> 01:17:05.189
born in Enfield, Greater London to a Chinese father and

1393
01:17:05.350 --> 01:17:06.069
English mother.

1394
01:17:06.189 --> 01:17:08.810
Great to having her on the show. And I'm glad

1395
01:17:08.970 --> 01:17:11.069
Eric saved this last one for me.

1396
01:17:11.090 --> 01:17:16.930
Happy birthday to Billie Piper, English actor and former singer.

1397
01:17:17.390 --> 01:17:21.060
She gained recognition as a singer after releasing her debut single,

1398
01:17:21.560 --> 01:17:25.340
Because We Want To, at the age of 15, which

1399
01:17:25.399 --> 01:17:28.479
made her the youngest female singer to enter the UK

1400
01:17:28.520 --> 01:17:30.779
singles chart as a number one.

1401
01:17:31.020 --> 01:17:33.039
But we're better known her as.

1402
01:17:33.100 --> 01:17:44.159
Rose from the reboot 2005 through Two Doctors in Doctor Who.

1403
01:17:44.970 --> 01:17:51.250
Companion of the Doctor as, okay, Rose Rose. as Brianna Croft,

1404
01:17:51.310 --> 01:17:55.810
Lily in the Showtime horror series, Penny Dreadful, and Capria

1405
01:17:55.930 --> 01:17:58.409
in the Netflix series Wednesday.

1406
01:17:58.869 --> 01:18:03.270
But I still think of her as Ro, as I.

1407
01:18:03.250 --> 01:18:07.390
Still think of the first time Eccleston ran into Ro,

1408
01:18:07.710 --> 01:18:11.109
and the first words the doctor said to Ro, run,

1409
01:18:11.380 --> 01:18:13.350
as he was being chased by mannequins.

1410
01:18:15.239 --> 01:18:19.239
Yeah, and I always think about the fact Oh, sorry, Charles.

1411
01:18:19.279 --> 01:18:21.979
I was just going to mention that as you mentioned,

1412
01:18:22.020 --> 01:18:25.819
she's the companion through two Doctors. She starts with Christopher

1413
01:18:25.880 --> 01:18:28.659
Eccleston and she goes on to be with David Tennant.

1414
01:18:29.260 --> 01:18:31.470
One thing that they kind of avoid during most of

1415
01:18:31.550 --> 01:18:36.069
Doctor Who is any romantic entanglements for the Doctor. They

1416
01:18:36.109 --> 01:18:39.250
played with that a little bit with Enshuti's character. But

1417
01:18:39.510 --> 01:18:41.510
people forget that they actually played a little bit with

1418
01:18:41.550 --> 01:18:44.210
that at the very beginning of David Tennant's run with

1419
01:18:44.250 --> 01:18:47.000
Billy Piper as well. And they sort of dabbled with it.

1420
01:18:47.310 --> 01:18:48.840
and then they let it go, which I thought was

1421
01:18:48.899 --> 01:18:51.159
one of the most brilliant things ever done on television

1422
01:18:51.199 --> 01:18:54.350
to sort of say, oh my God, is there sexual tension? Nope,

1423
01:18:54.550 --> 01:18:55.250
actually there's not.

1424
01:18:56.079 --> 01:19:00.220
Well, but remember, she took care of the, I forgot

1425
01:19:00.260 --> 01:19:03.539
what part of the doctor, but she had a version

1426
01:19:03.560 --> 01:19:06.760
of the doctor in the alternate universe that she took

1427
01:19:06.800 --> 01:19:13.250
care of. But definitely happy birthday to Billy. She was

1428
01:19:13.310 --> 01:19:14.970
a fun companion to see.

1429
01:19:15.229 --> 01:19:16.430
And I think Jim.

1430
01:19:16.170 --> 01:19:20.689
Wants to talk about some movies that occurred recently on

1431
01:19:20.710 --> 01:19:21.270
this date.

1432
01:19:21.710 --> 01:19:25.189
Absolutely. So, Eric, you like our new logo made-off?

1433
01:19:25.649 --> 01:19:27.550
Yeah, it looks familiar.

1434
01:19:27.609 --> 01:19:29.949
Dave and I got together and decided that we wanted

1435
01:19:29.970 --> 01:19:31.310
to keep the show uniform.

1436
01:19:31.470 --> 01:19:32.409
I like it.

1437
01:19:32.520 --> 01:19:36.720
We used your logo and just altered it to each

1438
01:19:36.840 --> 01:19:39.739
one of our segments so that they all kind of match.

1439
01:19:39.899 --> 01:19:40.579
It's really cool.

1440
01:19:40.619 --> 01:19:41.010
I love it.

1441
01:19:42.020 --> 01:19:47.770
Anyways, guys, instead of doing birthdays, I do anniversaries of

1442
01:19:47.869 --> 01:19:53.760
movies that happened this week through history. Uncle Jim's movie

1443
01:19:53.939 --> 01:19:55.819
of the week. So we're going to start off. The

1444
01:19:55.920 --> 01:19:59.270
first movie that we're going to mention is The Haunting.

1445
01:19:59.920 --> 01:20:04.319
Released on September 28, 1963, it's a British horror film

1446
01:20:04.359 --> 01:20:06.979
directed and produced by, there's this guy.

1447
01:20:06.659 --> 01:20:09.420
Again, Robert Wise. Dr.

1448
01:20:09.439 --> 01:20:13.000
John McQuade, played by Richard Johnson, an anthropologist with an

1449
01:20:13.060 --> 01:20:16.739
interest in psychic phenomena, takes two socially selected women to

1450
01:20:16.760 --> 01:20:21.539
El House, a reportedly haunted mansion. Eleanor, played by Julie Harris,

1451
01:20:21.680 --> 01:20:25.060
a lonely, eccentric woman with a supernatural event in her past,

1452
01:20:25.800 --> 01:20:29.859
and the bold Theodora, played by Clara Bloom, who has DSP.

1453
01:20:30.359 --> 01:20:33.579
Joey and John and the Mansion's Hair, cynical Luke, played

1454
01:20:33.600 --> 01:20:36.159
by Russ Tamrim, to spend.

1455
01:20:35.760 --> 01:20:40.380
The night in the haunted mansion. 1963.

1456
01:20:40.380 --> 01:20:43.500
There was a remake that came out with Liam Neeson

1457
01:20:43.760 --> 01:20:47.210
as well, but this is the original one. The next

1458
01:20:47.630 --> 01:20:55.380
that's on my list is Dread. Released on September 21st, 2012.

1459
01:20:55.380 --> 01:21:00.960
A great futuristic action adventure and comic book adaptation starring

1460
01:21:01.060 --> 01:21:01.920
Carl Urban.

1461
01:21:01.960 --> 01:21:03.529
That's right. You heard it.

1462
01:21:03.640 --> 01:21:08.539
Carl Urban, Bones McCoy. from the Kelvin Universe movies. The

1463
01:21:08.560 --> 01:21:11.789
film takes place on the hostile streets and high-rise blocks

1464
01:21:11.850 --> 01:21:14.989
of a mega city. One of Judge Dredd's and rookie

1465
01:21:15.029 --> 01:21:18.270
partners fight their way through an apartment complex to bring

1466
01:21:18.310 --> 01:21:23.380
down a drug lord. Played by Lena Hensley, who was

1467
01:21:23.479 --> 01:21:28.199
in Game of Thrones and the Sarah Connor Chronicles. The

1468
01:21:28.239 --> 01:21:32.090
next movie on my list is Conan the Adventurer. It

1469
01:21:32.100 --> 01:21:36.609
was released on September 22, 1997. You may have forgotten

1470
01:21:36.649 --> 01:21:40.930
this one because in this adaptation, the work of Robert E. Edward,

1471
01:21:41.409 --> 01:21:46.399
Conan is played by, not by that muscle-bound Arnold Schwarzenegger,

1472
01:21:46.840 --> 01:21:50.520
but by Danny Woodburn. And I think that's why people

1473
01:21:50.539 --> 01:21:53.539
forget it, because this dude is no Arnold. But at

1474
01:21:53.659 --> 01:21:56.670
any rate, He goes in search of the ancient sword

1475
01:21:56.689 --> 01:21:59.090
of Atlantis, a powerful weapon you need to deal with

1476
01:21:59.109 --> 01:22:02.529
the evil sorcerer. Together with a group of brave warriors,

1477
01:22:03.050 --> 01:22:06.390
live an incredible adventure in which you face terrible creatures

1478
01:22:06.430 --> 01:22:10.050
that rise up from hell.

1479
01:22:10.069 --> 01:22:11.770
And last on my.

1480
01:22:11.710 --> 01:22:15.609
List, Amityville 2, The Possession.

1481
01:22:16.319 --> 01:22:18.149
It was released on September 24, 1982.

1482
01:22:18.149 --> 01:22:25.529
An anthology, Dolores Montello, along with their four children, move

1483
01:22:25.569 --> 01:22:29.050
into their dream house in Amityville and are immediately plagued

1484
01:22:29.090 --> 01:22:33.220
by a string of paranormal experiences. When the abusive Anthony

1485
01:22:33.279 --> 01:22:36.899
wrongly places the blame on their children, Dolores recruits a

1486
01:22:36.939 --> 01:22:42.899
local Catholic priest to exercise the house. And those are

1487
01:22:42.920 --> 01:22:46.720
the notable movies that came out this week. And which

1488
01:22:46.779 --> 01:22:51.939
movie are we going to celebrate this week? David, roll

1489
01:22:52.079 --> 01:22:53.420
the thing.

1490
01:22:53.420 --> 01:22:56.350
800 million people living in the ruin of the old world.

1491
01:22:58.130 --> 01:23:00.550
Only one thing fighting for order in the chaos.

1492
01:23:03.409 --> 01:23:03.909
Judges.

1493
01:23:07.909 --> 01:23:09.189
Judgment time.

1494
01:23:10.680 --> 01:23:12.619
There's drugs like nothing I've ever seen.

1495
01:23:14.359 --> 01:23:16.500
If we play this right, we can take the whole city.

1496
01:23:16.520 --> 01:23:18.979
Okay, you ready?

1497
01:23:19.000 --> 01:23:21.750
Somewhere in this block are two judges.

1498
01:23:21.770 --> 01:23:29.500
I want him dead. This is Judge Dredd. I am

1499
01:23:29.520 --> 01:23:54.550
the law. just confess right now. Dread. There you have it, guys.

1500
01:23:55.189 --> 01:23:58.260
I have to admit, though, I'm a huge fan of

1501
01:23:58.300 --> 01:24:02.340
the Stallone version from the 80s because I love the one-liners.

1502
01:24:02.880 --> 01:24:05.310
Stallone cracks those one-liners.

1503
01:24:04.930 --> 01:24:09.170
Better than anybody Jim they they are both really good

1504
01:24:09.329 --> 01:24:12.529
solid movies for different reasons like I think the Stallone

1505
01:24:12.649 --> 01:24:17.420
one has way better one-liners and actually the um the

1506
01:24:17.560 --> 01:24:19.779
art of it matches the comic books just a little

1507
01:24:19.819 --> 01:24:22.479
bit more than the Carl Urban but the Carl Urban

1508
01:24:22.560 --> 01:24:25.880
one actually has a better story and the action sequences

1509
01:24:25.960 --> 01:24:27.060
are so good.

1510
01:24:28.609 --> 01:24:33.289
I like the Statue of Liberty in the Stallone version. So, yeah,

1511
01:24:33.350 --> 01:24:36.850
I mean, so I just wanted to, because I believe

1512
01:24:36.869 --> 01:24:40.890
they're making another one. I think Paul said that Carl

1513
01:24:40.949 --> 01:24:44.390
Irving was working on another Dredd movie. You may have

1514
01:24:44.449 --> 01:24:48.090
noticed most of our movies were horror movies. That's because

1515
01:24:48.109 --> 01:24:51.979
we're into September and October. So this is the big

1516
01:24:52.020 --> 01:24:53.979
horror movie time of the year. So a lot of

1517
01:24:54.020 --> 01:24:55.779
our movies are going to be horror movies.

1518
01:24:56.300 --> 01:24:59.449
So that's okay. We can re-go beyond that. So that

1519
01:24:59.529 --> 01:25:01.439
is Uncle Jim's movie.

1520
01:25:01.020 --> 01:25:04.449
Pick of the week, Dread, from 2012. If you missed it,

1521
01:25:04.479 --> 01:25:06.779
go out and check it out. You might enjoy it.

1522
01:25:07.520 --> 01:25:10.380
All right, guys. So that finishes up our birthdays. And

1523
01:25:10.460 --> 01:25:21.880
now it is time for some Star Trek news. Now

1524
01:25:21.899 --> 01:25:23.319
it's time for some Star Trek news.

1525
01:25:23.359 --> 01:25:24.600
Star Trek news intro.

1526
01:25:24.619 --> 01:25:27.079
Here we go, David. Oh, no. Here it is right here.

1527
01:25:28.819 --> 01:25:31.880
Oh my god, there's no sound.

1528
01:25:31.899 --> 01:26:05.460
Oh, he stopped it. So this is live. So I

1529
01:26:05.560 --> 01:26:07.430
could edit that out, but I'm not.

1530
01:26:07.470 --> 01:26:09.229
I'm going to leave it in so the people watching

1531
01:26:09.270 --> 01:26:13.390
later can get the feel of the live show. In

1532
01:26:13.449 --> 01:26:16.909
our attempt to keep everything uniform, we kind of use

1533
01:26:16.930 --> 01:26:18.149
that logo throughout.

1534
01:26:17.850 --> 01:26:19.510
The whole show, if you guys notice.

1535
01:26:20.010 --> 01:26:22.829
So, Eric, we usually start off the show with a

1536
01:26:22.890 --> 01:26:26.829
particular segment if we can. And this particular week, we

1537
01:26:26.869 --> 01:26:30.300
have one. So, Eric, the stage is yours.

1538
01:26:31.100 --> 01:26:33.800
Yeah, I'm going to do a Shatner Says What. V,

1539
01:26:33.859 --> 01:26:35.779
I'm going to ask you to just mute your microphone

1540
01:26:35.800 --> 01:26:38.619
real quick. We're getting some static from you. So this

1541
01:26:38.699 --> 01:26:42.090
is my favorite segment of the show. Shatner Says What?

1542
01:26:42.319 --> 01:26:42.689
That's right.

1543
01:26:42.739 --> 01:26:47.890
William Shatner covers Ozzy Osbourne, Metallica, classics at his first

1544
01:26:48.029 --> 01:26:52.329
ever performance with his heavy metal band, The Uckers, which

1545
01:26:52.390 --> 01:26:54.989
I believe is how you pronounce this. It is spelled

1546
01:26:55.689 --> 01:27:03.479
asterisk U-C-K-E-R-S, The Uckers. 95-year-old Star Trek legend William Shatner

1547
01:27:03.520 --> 01:27:07.060
performed live with his newly formed heavy metal band, The Uckers,

1548
01:27:07.159 --> 01:27:10.630
for the first time Saturday night, September 19th, at the

1549
01:27:10.729 --> 01:27:15.069
Riot Fest aftershow at Park West in Chicago, Illinois. The

1550
01:27:15.109 --> 01:27:18.189
gig served as the warm-up for his main Riot Festival

1551
01:27:18.229 --> 01:27:22.239
appearance at Douglas Park the following evening. The Uckers feature

1552
01:27:22.279 --> 01:27:26.500
an all-star lineup of veteran rock musicians, including Marcus Nand

1553
01:27:26.739 --> 01:27:31.850
on guitar and as musical director. Philip Sousan on bass,

1554
01:27:32.310 --> 01:27:37.409
Brit Lightning from Vixen on guitars, and Fred Oching from

1555
01:27:37.520 --> 01:27:41.520
Kings of Thrash and Dead Groove on drums. The performance

1556
01:27:41.619 --> 01:27:46.539
reimagines songs from throughout Shatner's musical catalog, while also previewing

1557
01:27:46.579 --> 01:27:50.579
materials from his upcoming rock metal album, What the F

1558
01:27:50.640 --> 01:27:56.960
is Heavy Metal? Shatner said, I've explored space. I've explored time. Now,

1559
01:27:57.579 --> 01:28:02.489
I explore distortion. Shatner laid out some conditions for his

1560
01:28:02.550 --> 01:28:05.939
performance at the Riot Fest, telling the organizers, Don't forget

1561
01:28:05.979 --> 01:28:08.079
my bowl of sauerkraut if you please.

1562
01:28:09.720 --> 01:28:09.939
What?

1563
01:28:11.380 --> 01:28:16.680
His writer also included fire breathers. Many of them. Like,

1564
01:28:16.899 --> 01:28:20.880
no kidding, it's in the contract. A Montreal Canadiens hockey

1565
01:28:20.920 --> 01:28:22.920
sweater signed by John Stamos.

1566
01:28:23.739 --> 01:28:23.939
What?

1567
01:28:24.770 --> 01:28:26.689
Four feet of Polish sausage.

1568
01:28:27.510 --> 01:28:27.729
What?

1569
01:28:28.850 --> 01:28:33.449
And an assortment of adoptable puppies sourced from a reputable

1570
01:28:33.529 --> 01:28:38.430
local animal rescue nonprofit. Dude, that's the most crazy thing

1571
01:28:38.449 --> 01:28:42.340
I've ever heard. Anyway, that was... great. You understand, these

1572
01:28:42.380 --> 01:28:46.060
are conditions of his performance. Like, the assortment of adoptable

1573
01:28:46.140 --> 01:28:49.000
puppies have to be there for him to do the gig.

1574
01:28:49.760 --> 01:28:52.279
I just love it. He said, you gotta start with

1575
01:28:52.300 --> 01:28:56.479
the premise that I really know nothing, Shatner explained. I'm inquisitive.

1576
01:28:57.020 --> 01:29:00.350
Apparently I'm inquisitive. And I'm reading and looking up all

1577
01:29:00.369 --> 01:29:04.750
the time stuff. So I began to experiment. I fastened

1578
01:29:04.909 --> 01:29:07.670
on to emotions. I thought heavy metal has got to

1579
01:29:07.710 --> 01:29:15.399
be about emotions. Violent, passionate, not violent, passionate emotions. Guest

1580
01:29:15.579 --> 01:29:18.060
musicians set to appear on What the F is Heavy

1581
01:29:18.100 --> 01:29:24.659
Metal include Queen guitarist Brian May, Black Sabbath guitarist Tony Iommi,

1582
01:29:27.359 --> 01:29:32.220
Judas Priest singer Rob Halford, are you kidding me? And

1583
01:29:32.239 --> 01:29:36.729
the bassist from Disturbed. You guys, this guy has got

1584
01:29:36.810 --> 01:29:40.069
connections beyond connections. And I know this is all about

1585
01:29:40.109 --> 01:29:43.890
the kitsch of it, right? But as a metal fan

1586
01:29:44.050 --> 01:29:46.390
and also a fan of kitsch, I can tell you

1587
01:29:46.430 --> 01:29:51.020
that I am so excited about this collaboration. There are

1588
01:29:51.060 --> 01:29:54.470
some songs by this band, The Uckers, online. If you're

1589
01:29:54.510 --> 01:29:57.430
interested in hearing what William Shatner sounds like in a

1590
01:29:57.430 --> 01:30:00.810
metal band, go to your favorite music service. Some of

1591
01:30:00.890 --> 01:30:01.909
it is there right now.

1592
01:30:01.989 --> 01:30:04.930
You don't have to do that, Eric. David! You guys

1593
01:30:04.970 --> 01:30:08.930
want to see and hear some Shatner as well?

1594
01:30:08.949 --> 01:30:09.470
I love it, yes.

1595
01:30:09.670 --> 01:30:10.119
Let's do it.

1596
01:30:11.829 --> 01:30:13.310
I will try. Here we go.

1597
01:30:30.420 --> 01:30:38.659
Look at his face. This is Enter Sandman by Metallica,

1598
01:30:38.680 --> 01:30:39.039
by the way.

1599
01:31:35.649 --> 01:31:36.100
Oh my God.

1600
01:31:36.109 --> 01:31:45.859
Okay, how.

1601
01:31:47.560 --> 01:33:20.420
About some Ozzy Osbourne? Oh my God. Wow. I just...

1602
01:33:20.359 --> 01:33:22.680
Only Shatner. Only Shatner.

1603
01:33:22.699 --> 01:33:25.010
I mean, is it just me or is he just

1604
01:33:25.050 --> 01:33:32.329
totally lit up during these performances? He's gotta be, right?

1605
01:33:32.470 --> 01:33:39.619
Only Shatner. I couldn't pass on that it's just like

1606
01:33:40.199 --> 01:33:43.119
amazing it's just incredible.

1607
01:33:43.479 --> 01:33:47.300
So that's our Shatner says what or in this case

1608
01:33:47.760 --> 01:33:52.119
Shatner sings what and we're gonna pass it over to

1609
01:33:52.189 --> 01:33:55.430
Charles Charles has our next story take it away Charles.

1610
01:33:56.329 --> 01:34:00.810
Okay not to be able to top that Garrett Graham

1611
01:34:00.850 --> 01:34:04.029
dies actor of Star Trek and Phantom of the Paradise

1612
01:34:05.979 --> 01:34:09.510
Fans and stars alike are mourning the death of Garrett Graham,

1613
01:34:09.569 --> 01:34:12.930
an actor known for his role in several Brian De

1614
01:34:12.989 --> 01:34:18.569
Palma films, Fan of the Paradise included, and two Star

1615
01:34:18.609 --> 01:34:22.659
Trek series. He died at the age of 77 in Rhinebeck,

1616
01:34:22.699 --> 01:34:26.619
New York, after living with lung disease and other ailments.

1617
01:34:27.989 --> 01:34:32.699
Under De Palma's direction, Graham appeared in the 1968 film Greetings,

1618
01:34:33.420 --> 01:34:38.800
Robert De Niro's first feature-length film credit, 70's Hi Mom,

1619
01:34:38.819 --> 01:34:42.439
74's Fan of the Paradise, and.

1620
01:34:42.340 --> 01:34:43.460
79's Home Movies.

1621
01:34:44.890 --> 01:34:49.409
Other film title roles include 76's Cannonball, 1980's Used Cars,

1622
01:34:49.470 --> 01:34:57.470
1990's Charles Play II, 1993's The Boy's Life, in 98's

1623
01:34:57.649 --> 01:35:02.170
One True Thing. On television, Graham starred as Leonard Scribber

1624
01:35:02.329 --> 01:35:09.310
in Stockard's Channing's Just Friends and Roger Bender's On Now

1625
01:35:09.390 --> 01:35:13.630
and Again, recurring on Dallas and Parker Lewis's Can't Lose,

1626
01:35:14.770 --> 01:35:17.649
and lent his voice to the animated series The Critic.

1627
01:35:18.909 --> 01:35:23.779
He also guest starred as Hunter in DS9 in 1993,

1628
01:35:23.779 --> 01:35:27.609
and Quinn in Star Trek Voyagers in 96. One of

1629
01:35:27.649 --> 01:35:30.609
Graham's other claims of fame is that he co-wrote the

1630
01:35:30.649 --> 01:35:36.670
Grateful Dead song, Victim or the Crime. Graham is survived

1631
01:35:36.750 --> 01:35:40.390
by his brothers Sam, son Jack and Henry, and their wives,

1632
01:35:41.069 --> 01:35:47.340
Tali and Jolie, and the grandchildren Nolan, Mecca, Brera, and Joey.

1633
01:35:52.079 --> 01:35:56.199
As we also will know him as Q2. No, not Q2.

1634
01:35:56.939 --> 01:35:57.989
One of the Qs.

1635
01:35:59.149 --> 01:36:05.930
Quinn. Quinn. We have more sad news, unfortunately, Eric.

1636
01:36:07.409 --> 01:36:11.920
Yeah, kind of a bummer for news this week. We've

1637
01:36:11.939 --> 01:36:16.260
got actor James Sloyan was unfortunately lost as well. So

1638
01:36:16.300 --> 01:36:22.659
we have information about his obituary. James Sloyan, an actor

1639
01:36:22.680 --> 01:36:25.859
who built a six-decade career in theater, film, and television,

1640
01:36:25.939 --> 01:36:29.359
died on July 22nd at his home in Sherman Oaks, California,

1641
01:36:29.399 --> 01:36:33.560
attended by his family. He was 85 years old. Friends

1642
01:36:33.600 --> 01:36:39.520
and colleagues remember him always present, always curious, courageous, inventive, loyal,

1643
01:36:40.210 --> 01:36:44.310
as well as brash, mouthy, and very urban. He was

1644
01:36:44.390 --> 01:36:47.880
one of a kind. He was born in Indianapolis, Indiana

1645
01:36:48.119 --> 01:36:53.479
on February 24th, 1941. His father's untimely death brought the

1646
01:36:53.539 --> 01:36:59.460
family to Albany, New York, where the young James established

1647
01:36:59.560 --> 01:37:03.890
truancy in several high schools. Established truancy, I love that.

1648
01:37:06.609 --> 01:37:09.850
He graduated from the American Academy of Dramatic Arts and

1649
01:37:09.890 --> 01:37:14.770
served three years in the U.S. Army stationed in Hauchuka, Arizona.

1650
01:37:15.630 --> 01:37:20.710
commended by his captain for revitalizing the post-dormant entertainment program.

1651
01:37:21.670 --> 01:37:23.649
Back in New York City, he found his footing as

1652
01:37:23.689 --> 01:37:28.270
an actor and dueling choreographer. He had feature and cameo

1653
01:37:28.350 --> 01:37:33.520
roles in films like The Sting, Xanadu, The Traveling Executioner,

1654
01:37:34.020 --> 01:37:37.439
and The Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight. He had leading

1655
01:37:37.500 --> 01:37:42.880
roles in made-for-television movies like The Disappearance of Amy with

1656
01:37:42.939 --> 01:37:48.439
Faye Dunaway and Bette Davis. and The Billionaire's Boys Club.

1657
01:37:49.359 --> 01:37:53.529
Jim peppered television with his guest-starring roles all over the

1658
01:37:53.569 --> 01:37:58.250
place as lovers, lawyers, heroes, and goons, notably portraying three

1659
01:37:58.310 --> 01:38:03.180
divergent species in the Star Trek pantheon. He is pre-deceased

1660
01:38:03.409 --> 01:38:07.640
by a sister, Judith Wilkes, a clinical coordinator at Liberty

1661
01:38:07.680 --> 01:38:10.899
House in Glen Falls, New York, and Patrick Sloyan, a

1662
01:38:11.000 --> 01:38:14.729
Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist. He is survived and deeply missed by

1663
01:38:14.779 --> 01:38:19.750
Deidre Lennon, his partner of six decades, and their children, Daniel,

1664
01:38:20.409 --> 01:38:25.189
a musician, and Samantha, an actor. This guy's face, if

1665
01:38:25.210 --> 01:38:27.840
you can't see our screen right now, you, you, you'll

1666
01:38:27.859 --> 01:38:29.659
have to wait till you can. But if you wreck it,

1667
01:38:29.840 --> 01:38:31.939
if you saw his face, you would recognize him because

1668
01:38:31.979 --> 01:38:34.460
he's been in everything. I of course, immediately recognized him

1669
01:38:34.500 --> 01:38:37.039
from the sting. Um, that's one of the very first

1670
01:38:37.079 --> 01:38:40.979
movies I can actually remember seeing as a child. Um,

1671
01:38:41.399 --> 01:38:42.920
but he was all over the place. Like if you

1672
01:38:42.939 --> 01:38:45.279
look at his IMDB, he's got upwards of a hundred

1673
01:38:45.350 --> 01:38:49.539
or so, um, credits in there, including things like chips,

1674
01:38:49.880 --> 01:38:52.359
which I watched all the time as a kid, including

1675
01:38:52.380 --> 01:38:55.000
things like wonder woman, which I watched all the time

1676
01:38:55.020 --> 01:38:58.199
as a kid. Um, you know, later on, he was

1677
01:38:58.260 --> 01:39:01.079
on shows like Simon and Simon, which I watched all

1678
01:39:01.119 --> 01:39:03.989
the time, the fall guy, which I watched all the time.

1679
01:39:04.149 --> 01:39:04.409
Right.

1680
01:39:04.489 --> 01:39:06.970
So he just was like one of those faces that's

1681
01:39:07.029 --> 01:39:10.510
just sort of defined my childhood, uh, in the seventies

1682
01:39:10.590 --> 01:39:14.750
and eighties. Um, so, uh, definitely will be missed a

1683
01:39:14.829 --> 01:39:20.770
great actor, uh, Unfortunately, we lost James Slian back in July. So, yeah.

1684
01:39:21.850 --> 01:39:24.090
There you have it, folks. That is our new story.

1685
01:39:24.109 --> 01:39:25.869
Lighten things up a little bit. What do you say?

1686
01:39:26.229 --> 01:39:26.770
There we go.

1687
01:39:27.489 --> 01:39:29.350
Yeah, let's lighten things up a little bit. David, what

1688
01:39:29.369 --> 01:39:29.770
do you think?

1689
01:39:30.750 --> 01:39:33.729
Yeah, I think we could just admire this awesome photo

1690
01:39:33.770 --> 01:39:36.899
right here and then just dive right into Strange New

1691
01:39:36.960 --> 01:39:41.800
World makes top 10. So, Strange New World is once

1692
01:39:41.840 --> 01:39:46.050
again rising in streaming charts. The series is currently the

1693
01:39:46.149 --> 01:39:49.350
number six most-watched TV show in the United States on

1694
01:39:49.390 --> 01:39:58.670
Paramount +. Per Flick Patrol, globally, it is ranked number nine.

1695
01:39:59.569 --> 01:40:02.529
Last week, Strange New Worlds reached number six in the

1696
01:40:02.590 --> 01:40:07.090
United States following the release of Orders of Magnitude, which

1697
01:40:07.329 --> 01:40:14.380
became the highest-rated episode of the series on IMDb. since

1698
01:40:14.399 --> 01:40:18.079
the season two finale. A few days later, though, the

1699
01:40:19.119 --> 01:40:23.229
show fell out of the top 10 until the release

1700
01:40:23.369 --> 01:40:28.550
of Once La Anna Time. However, the latest episode wasn't

1701
01:40:29.250 --> 01:40:34.170
as well received. The episode currently has a 4.3 out

1702
01:40:34.189 --> 01:40:37.909
of 10 on IMDb. Nearing the end of its fourth season,

1703
01:40:38.649 --> 01:40:43.970
with only one episode left scheduled to debut on September 24th, Today.

1704
01:40:47.470 --> 01:40:53.289
After that, there's one more six-episode season, meaning fans will

1705
01:40:53.409 --> 01:40:58.020
only get seven more episodes in total. The series started

1706
01:40:58.100 --> 01:41:04.039
strong in 2022, receiving praise from audiences and critics alike

1707
01:41:04.760 --> 01:41:10.250
in the first two seasons. However, the audience reception dropped

1708
01:41:10.310 --> 01:41:16.850
significantly in later seasons. While critics continue to say mostly

1709
01:41:16.949 --> 01:41:20.590
positive things about the show, audiences have been quick to

1710
01:41:20.670 --> 01:41:24.989
express their disappointment, saying the writing didn't live up to

1711
01:41:25.380 --> 01:41:31.119
previous seasons. In Season 4, Stranger Worlds generated a 36%

1712
01:41:31.119 --> 01:41:35.819
audience score on Rotten Tomato, the show's lowest score yet,

1713
01:41:36.420 --> 01:41:42.229
compared to a 90% critic score. So I would have

1714
01:41:42.250 --> 01:41:46.899
to agree. Yeah, the season definitely seems to be like

1715
01:41:46.920 --> 01:41:50.920
they had planned on multiple seasons. But I have a

1716
01:41:51.000 --> 01:41:53.500
feeling they didn't get the memo that they would be

1717
01:41:53.680 --> 01:41:56.930
canceled right away. So that's probably why we had so

1718
01:41:56.949 --> 01:41:59.550
many gimmicky episodes in this season. So that would be

1719
01:41:59.590 --> 01:42:00.029
my guess.

1720
01:42:01.189 --> 01:42:02.149
Well, David.

1721
01:42:02.170 --> 01:42:04.369
It's a cool dragon though, David. You got it? The

1722
01:42:04.390 --> 01:42:05.130
dragon is cool.

1723
01:42:05.670 --> 01:42:06.109
Awesome!

1724
01:42:06.880 --> 01:42:10.279
Well, and one thing that I'm always struck by, of course,

1725
01:42:10.579 --> 01:42:14.619
is the critics score things based on what they feel

1726
01:42:15.859 --> 01:42:18.869
contains the essence of a good story, like good writing,

1727
01:42:18.930 --> 01:42:21.850
good acting, good whatever. And so that's how they base

1728
01:42:21.890 --> 01:42:26.010
their scores. Popular opinion is often based on that and

1729
01:42:26.069 --> 01:42:32.729
then also... bots attacking things like the imdb.

1730
01:42:31.470 --> 01:42:34.020
Like rating superman movie but the monkey on the.

1731
01:42:33.960 --> 01:42:37.359
Computer yeah so the fact that strange new worlds um

1732
01:42:37.439 --> 01:42:41.659
this season has a 30 36 on rotten tomatoes i

1733
01:42:41.699 --> 01:42:46.600
wouldn't like yes has this podcast in particular been hard

1734
01:42:46.680 --> 01:42:50.170
on the gimmicks of this season yes why do the

1735
01:42:50.310 --> 01:42:53.829
critics like feel better about this season i think it's

1736
01:42:53.869 --> 01:42:56.250
because if you actually look at it outside of the

1737
01:42:56.369 --> 01:43:00.140
gimmick of each of these episodes each episode has tried

1738
01:43:00.180 --> 01:43:04.300
its best you know with varying success to explore character

1739
01:43:04.340 --> 01:43:06.619
stories along the way and i think the critics love

1740
01:43:06.659 --> 01:43:09.609
that type of stuff so um i just think it's

1741
01:43:09.649 --> 01:43:13.109
interesting like this 90 to 36 percent is a huge

1742
01:43:13.729 --> 01:43:18.229
spread I would bet you that the real number for

1743
01:43:18.270 --> 01:43:21.609
the audience score is much higher than that, but probably

1744
01:43:21.670 --> 01:43:25.550
not 90%. It's probably in the 60s or 70s or

1745
01:43:25.590 --> 01:43:28.850
something like that. I just wanted to say something about

1746
01:43:28.890 --> 01:43:33.489
that because these numbers don't mean anything in the long run.

1747
01:43:33.529 --> 01:43:38.359
They're probably giving it a high score because they're saying

1748
01:43:38.380 --> 01:43:40.140
that it's finally over or something. I don't know.

1749
01:43:40.899 --> 01:43:41.859
No, the critics give.

1750
01:43:45.340 --> 01:43:48.260
I encourage everybody to do research on how critics typically

1751
01:43:48.319 --> 01:43:51.279
score episodes of shows and what are the factors that

1752
01:43:51.319 --> 01:43:55.989
they typically look for when they rate. And remember, they

1753
01:43:56.029 --> 01:43:59.829
get to see things before we do, right? So they're

1754
01:43:59.890 --> 01:44:03.289
actually able to give their initial opinions before the court

1755
01:44:03.310 --> 01:44:05.449
of public opinion sort of attacks the.

1756
01:44:05.340 --> 01:44:06.119
Thing, right?

1757
01:44:06.159 --> 01:44:06.340
Yeah.

1758
01:44:07.760 --> 01:44:10.300
They also have first viewing of it too I would imagine.

1759
01:44:10.180 --> 01:44:12.340
Yeah I just want to encourage everybody to like not

1760
01:44:12.420 --> 01:44:15.699
read super deeply into this and make whatever you do

1761
01:44:15.720 --> 01:44:21.260
ensure that you're making your own opinions about these shows yeah.

1762
01:44:21.100 --> 01:44:21.739
What were you saying Jim?

1763
01:44:21.779 --> 01:44:23.119
Well the critics.

1764
01:44:24.729 --> 01:44:29.189
Like Starfleet Academy and the fans completely hated it supposedly I.

1765
01:44:30.810 --> 01:44:35.869
Believe that but I will say this critics okay.

1766
01:44:35.550 --> 01:44:42.060
If you ask me to review some dramatic romantic comedy.

1767
01:44:43.439 --> 01:44:46.739
No, I'm not going to give this a massively high

1768
01:44:46.779 --> 01:44:48.479
score because that's not my thing.

1769
01:44:49.340 --> 01:44:52.260
But if you ask me to review some sci-fi movie

1770
01:44:52.279 --> 01:44:55.460
with cool aliens and stuff, that's up my alley. So

1771
01:44:55.939 --> 01:44:57.659
I think it all depends on what, you know, these

1772
01:44:57.729 --> 01:45:00.710
critics are looking at these episodes different than you and

1773
01:45:00.829 --> 01:45:05.069
I are. You know, they're looking at it like, you know,

1774
01:45:05.090 --> 01:45:09.229
the Academy Award winnings nuances and the camera angle and

1775
01:45:09.250 --> 01:45:11.470
the lighting of the plant on the table with the

1776
01:45:11.550 --> 01:45:14.560
shadow and whatever. And you and I are sitting there thinking,

1777
01:45:14.810 --> 01:45:18.100
wait a minute, a Klingon would never drink Chardonnay.

1778
01:45:18.119 --> 01:45:20.420
You know, I mean, it's a different thing.

1779
01:45:20.939 --> 01:45:25.420
So, and this next story that I have, I'll actually

1780
01:45:25.439 --> 01:45:26.439
put him here for Paul.

1781
01:45:27.720 --> 01:45:31.760
Unfortunately, Paul's not here. So I'll try to fill Paul's

1782
01:45:31.859 --> 01:45:32.659
shoes on this one.

1783
01:45:34.310 --> 01:45:40.399
Nacelle announces price increases for Wave 3 action figures. Brian Volkweis,

1784
01:45:40.409 --> 01:45:42.750
who we had on the podcast last week, two weeks ago,

1785
01:45:42.960 --> 01:45:43.399
last week?

1786
01:45:43.859 --> 01:45:46.600
Last week. We did two shows last week.

1787
01:45:46.659 --> 01:45:48.699
Last week, double episode last week, yeah.

1788
01:45:49.159 --> 01:45:50.930
Yeah, check him out. He was a lot of fun.

1789
01:45:50.970 --> 01:45:52.659
Paul did a great job talking to him.

1790
01:45:53.590 --> 01:45:56.550
Announced in a video on Facebook that we can expect

1791
01:45:56.590 --> 01:45:59.109
the pre-orders for the third wave of Star Trek figures

1792
01:45:59.409 --> 01:46:01.300
to go up before the end of the year. A

1793
01:46:01.840 --> 01:46:04.739
little Star Trek update from us. The good news is

1794
01:46:04.760 --> 01:46:09.180
a billion percent confirmed that wave three pre-sales will be

1795
01:46:09.220 --> 01:46:12.880
coming out this year. The bad news is we unfortunately

1796
01:46:12.939 --> 01:46:14.960
have to raise the prices a little bit due to

1797
01:46:15.199 --> 01:46:18.640
all the bonkers rising costs we're dealing with.

1798
01:46:19.039 --> 01:46:19.300
Oh, no.

1799
01:46:20.020 --> 01:46:22.619
What a time to be a toy maker. Thanks for

1800
01:46:22.699 --> 01:46:25.750
everyone's patience and hit me up in the comments or

1801
01:46:25.829 --> 01:46:28.930
DM me with any questions. And I hope everyone had

1802
01:46:28.970 --> 01:46:30.510
a great 60th anniversary.

1803
01:46:30.850 --> 01:46:31.609
I know I did.

1804
01:46:32.090 --> 01:46:42.319
I bought two popcorn buckets. Wave 3 includes the original series, Kirk, Spock, McCoy, Uhura, Sulu, Chekhov, Scotty, Chappell, Rand,

1805
01:46:42.960 --> 01:46:47.460
and a Roddenberry Lucille Ball double pack. He didn't say

1806
01:46:47.539 --> 01:46:50.140
exactly how much of a price increase we'll be seeing,

1807
01:46:51.180 --> 01:46:53.699
just that they would be more expensive than Wave 1

1808
01:46:53.699 --> 01:46:59.569
and 2, which are currently $ 28. 99. So that, my friends,

1809
01:46:59.890 --> 01:47:03.670
wraps up yet another Trek Talking and Beyond. Can you

1810
01:47:03.710 --> 01:47:04.130
believe it?

1811
01:47:04.810 --> 01:47:05.130
Wow.

1812
01:47:06.130 --> 01:47:06.960
How do we do it?

1813
01:47:06.970 --> 01:47:11.319
I think David does a great job with the video,

1814
01:47:11.340 --> 01:47:13.079
so thank you so much, David.

1815
01:47:13.119 --> 01:47:13.659
It was awesome.

1816
01:47:14.810 --> 01:47:17.199
Yeah, so I must have had them mixed up or something.

1817
01:47:17.239 --> 01:47:19.640
That newsreel was like way at the bottom for some

1818
01:47:19.699 --> 01:47:22.199
other reason. I don't know. But yeah, it's been a

1819
01:47:22.199 --> 01:47:22.659
lot of fun.

1820
01:47:22.680 --> 01:47:26.340
Thank you so much. We got through it. We got

1821
01:47:26.380 --> 01:47:28.420
through it. Thank you so much, Eric. It was a

1822
01:47:28.439 --> 01:47:29.840
lot of fun tonight. Thank you, Eric.

1823
01:47:30.579 --> 01:47:31.899
Absolutely. Thanks very much, guys.

1824
01:47:33.000 --> 01:47:34.520
And thank you so much to Charles. It was a

1825
01:47:34.539 --> 01:47:35.619
lot of fun. Thank you, Charles.

1826
01:47:36.279 --> 01:47:37.250
Oh, always fun.

1827
01:47:38.229 --> 01:47:38.829
As you wish.

1828
01:47:38.850 --> 01:47:40.770
As you command.

1829
01:47:43.039 --> 01:47:44.539
Thank you so much to V for coming on and

1830
01:47:44.600 --> 01:47:45.520
talking with us as well.

1831
01:47:45.600 --> 01:47:51.850
Thank you, V. This is unseemable.

1832
01:47:54.329 --> 01:47:57.329
And I'm your most excellent host, Uncle Jim. Please, everybody,

1833
01:47:57.750 --> 01:48:01.189
stay safe and be good to each other. Hailing frequencies

1834
01:48:01.649 --> 01:48:03.250
are closed. Good night, everybody.

1835
01:48:03.970 --> 01:48:04.329
Good night.

1836
01:48:04.350 --> 01:48:05.270
Have long and prosper.

1837
01:48:05.289 --> 01:48:14.510
I am. Continue with the operation. Where to, number one?

1838
01:48:14.529 --> 01:48:21.939
Your apartment. you.

1839
01:48:48.750 --> 01:48:49.100
Thank you.