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Sept. 21, 2026

Episode 700 - Diving Deep into 'Orders of Magnitude'

Episode 700 - Diving Deep into 'Orders of Magnitude'
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In this episode of Trek Talking and Beyond, host Uncle Jim and his co-hosts engage in lively discussions about the latest Star Trek episode, 'Orders of Magnitude.' They share fan shout outs, community interactions, and delve into the episode's themes, character developments, and fan reactions. The conversation highlights the importance of community engagement and the excitement surrounding Star Trek's evolving narrative. In this conversation, the speakers delve into the character dynamics and performances in a recent Star Trek episode, highlighting the strong acting and writing. They discuss the complexity of the narrative, the moral dilemmas faced by characters, and the overall quality of the episode, emphasizing the importance of character development and the intricacies of storytelling in the Star Trek universe. In this episode, the hosts reflect on the iconic characters of Star Trek, particularly Reeger, and express their admiration for the quality of writing and character development in recent episodes. They also take time to remember notable figures in the sci-fi community, celebrating both those who have passed and those who are still making an impact. The conversation shifts to notable birthdays in the sci-fi realm, including actors and actresses who have contributed to the genre. The hosts discuss their favorite movies and make recommendations, culminating in a discussion about a recent world record attempt by Star Trek fans during the show's 60th anniversary.
Takeaways:
The hosts express excitement about the latest episode of Star Trek.
Fan engagement is crucial for the show's community.
The episode 'Orders of Magnitude' is well-received by fans.
Character development is a key focus in the discussions.
The hosts appreciate the writing quality of the episode.
Polls are used to gauge fan opinions on various topics.
The importance of historical context in Star Trek is emphasized.
The hosts share personal anecdotes related to the series.
Community shout outs foster a sense of belonging among fans.
The conversation reflects a deep love for the Star Trek franchise.
The performances were excellent, particularly Joe Morton.
Character dynamics were electric, especially between Kirk and the Admiral.
The writing was strong, with attention to detail.
The episode effectively explored moral dilemmas.
The narrative complexity added depth to the story.
The B story provided engaging action and character moments.
The episode was well-received, with high ratings from the speakers.
The characters' decisions were rooted in their backgrounds and experiences.
The episode felt like a breath of fresh air for the series.
The discussions highlighted the importance of character development.
Reeger is considered a legendary character in Star Trek.
The quality of writing and character development is crucial.
Fans rated the episode highly, showing strong engagement.
Remembering Faye Ray as the first Scream Queen. Bruce Hyde's journey from actor to educator is inspiring.
Sir Ian Holm's contributions to sci-fi are celebrated.
Walter Koenig's legacy as Chekov is significant.
The importance of celebrating living legends in the industry.
The hosts enjoy discussing their favorite movies and recommendations.
Star Trek Day was marked by a successful world record attempt.

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Well, good evening, Trekkies and Trekkers around the globe. It's Thursday,

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September 17th, 2026. Welcome to episode 699 of Trek.

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Talkin' and Beyond.

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I'm your host, Texan host, Uncle Jim, and I'm getting

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a strange sense of deja vu.

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I'm getting a strange sense of deja vu. I feel

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like I've been here before.

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But anyways, I'd like to go around the room and

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introduce my awesome Trek experts. Let's go out to Portland

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and say hello to David. How are you doing tonight, David?

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Pretty good.

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It's still really hot over here, though, so, you know,

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nothing changed.

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It's hot and raining here in Vermont as well. Well,

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I think my version of hot and yours are two

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different things, but that's okay.

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And also out in Portland, we have our very own Eric.

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How are you doing tonight, Eric?

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I'm doing really well. I am surprisingly juiced after having

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just seen Paul interview Brian Volkweis.

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That was riveting.

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It was so much fun. Uh, so yeah, happy to

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be here doing this show, but, uh, also you should

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check out the one just before this one. Cause it

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was awesome.

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It was indeed.

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And let's stay in Portland and say hello to our

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very own toy guy.

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Oh, how you doing today?

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I'm doing great. Uncle Jim. That was, uh, as Eric mentioned, uh, Previously,

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we were able to have Brian Volkweis on here, the

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wonderful luminary behind Nacelle Toys. And man, I'm telling you,

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I feel like all my action figure dreams for Star

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Trek may stand a chance of coming true after talking

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to Brian. So really amazing guest. What a gent, man.

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That's the best way to describe him. So it was super,

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super fun. And oh, friends, do we have an episode

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to talk to you about tonight. I'm just like... Marron ami.

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I'm telling you. So really damn glad to be here

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would be how I would describe it.

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I agree.

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It's going to be fun. Let's swing out to Las

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Vegas and say hello to Charles. How are you doing tonight, Charles?

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I'm doing good.

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The weather's cooling down closer to fall-like temperatures.

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We're actually in the 90s instead of the 100s.

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A little breeze and a storm coming through, so it's

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cooling down a little bit, and I can enjoy being outside.

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As you see the cloud in the background actually are moving.

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If you guys missed our interview with Brian, you can

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go to trektalking.com and you can find that there. Well,

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you won't find it there yet because.

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I haven't uploaded it, but tomorrow it will be there.

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And you can check out that interview.

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You can support Trek Talking by simply liking these posts

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and sharing them. Tonight, we're going to talk about Strange

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New World Season 4, Episode 8, Borders of Magnitude. We

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have our fan shout-outs. That's where we thank fans just

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like you for supporting us. Charles is going to have

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a cadet review. We have our fan reactions, fan scores,

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our sci-fi birthdays, and what's going on around the Star

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Trek universe. So without any further ado, Eric, would you

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like to get us started with our fan shout-outs?

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I absolutely would, Jim. Our very first fan shout out

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this week goes out to Markus Basler, who is a

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top fan from Dusseldorf, Germany. And Markus is a top

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fan because he interacts with us a lot on our

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social medias. And we really appreciate that because it's much

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better to not shout into the void and not get

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a response. It's much better to get a response, right?

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Yeah.

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So thank you for doing that from Dusseldorf. Hope to

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visit there one day myself. Glad to have you here, Markus.

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Also saying hello this week to Gina Delle Peoli, who's

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from Roma, Italy, sending us that beautiful Italian flag and

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a live long and prosper. I have to tell you

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at this point in my life, I've been to your

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city a couple of times and I love Rome so much.

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There's so many amazing things to love there. One of

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my favorite things to do when I was there was

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drinking a bottle of wine on the front steps of

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the Pantheon. It's just it's the best way to go, really. Thanks, Gina,

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for saying hi to us. Also saying hello this week

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to Gustavo Naranjo, who is from Costa Rica, sending us

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that beautiful Costa Rican flag. Live long and prosper. And

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like a little smart guy with glasses. Not sure about that,

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but I love it. It's all super cute and attention grabbing,

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which is how you end up on the show, Gustavo.

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You know that at this point. Thanks for saying hi

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to us. And last but not least on my list,

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I'd like to say hello this week to Riks Spierd

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from Groningen in Holland. And I have to tell you,

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You're not the first person that I have met. Well,

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we haven't met, but you're not the first person I've

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heard of from Groningen. I had a good friend back

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in college who was from that city. So perhaps if

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you ever met or knew Pimboss, you could say hi

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to him. From Eric. Thanks, Reeks. Charles, I'm going to

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pass this over to you since we're missing V this week.

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What do you say?

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Oh, thank you, Eric. Sorry, V couldn't make it tonight.

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She was feeling under the weather this morning. Let's start

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off with a welcome to Andrew Nathan from Melbourne, Australia.

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I wonder if Andrew knows that guy. Welcome Maxwell Tidwell

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from Wilton Manors, Florida.

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Welcome, Maxwell.

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Welcome Ron Jelenk from Grand Island, Nebraska. And last on

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the list, welcome Linda Stanley-Owen from Newport Beach, California, now

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with Texas Transplants at 71. Oh, I bet you missed Newport.

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Beautiful beach. Welcome Donnie Brady from West Virginia, USA.

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Welcome, Brady.

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Welcome Darren Collins, who's a top fan from Washington, D.C.,

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He waves a U.S.

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Flag and a Vulcan salute. Welcome, Daryl. Welcome, Dwayne Royal.

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I'm from the.

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Nihalatal Mountains in western Northern Carolina, close to Tennessee, Georgia,

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and South Carolina.

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Welcome, Dwayne. And the last one on my.

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List, welcome, Chris Besaw.

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I am from Lower Saksville, Nova Scotia. Welcome, Chris. Paul,

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I'm going to pass the megaphone over to you.

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Thank you, Charles.

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Appreciate it, my friend. Okay, we have folks all over

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this planet, clinging on to every, did I just say

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cling on? Clinging on to every latitude and longitude that

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you can think of, right? Okay, and let's prove that

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by seeing as many different countries as we can find.

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First of all, we're going to say hello to our

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friend Lhotse Cheek. I hope I'm pronouncing that correctly, Lhotse,

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because Lhotse is from Lusaka, Zambia, and I'm seeing the

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flag there, and the Vulcan, get out of my way, friends, sign,

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because I'm coming through. Lusaka Zambia, amazing. I would love

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to go and explore that part of the world. Lotsi,

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I hope I'm saying your name even partially correct, but

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it's great to hear from you. Thanks so much for

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reaching out and showing us that we have Star Trek fans. everywhere.

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And Paul, this is the first time that we have

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heard from somebody from Zambia.

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Is this a national first?

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This is a national first.

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You keep track of these things, right?

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I do.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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And this is a national first. So I'm pretty excited.

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Excellent. Well, Lhotse, you've helped us make history here on

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Trek Talking tonight. So excellent. And Lhotse, between you and me,

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if you know anybody in Antarctica, I know that country

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is one of Eric's white whales, if you will. He's

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dying to get that to happen. So I may have

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to go there. That may be the only way that

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this happens. So moving on to the fabulous Czechia, AKA

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Czech Republic, parliamentary Republic over there, landlocked as it may

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be between so many other wonderful countries, Austria, Germany, Poland, uh, Budapest,

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I mean, just so many great places up in the

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same vicinity. It's a very safe and remarkably cool place

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to live. We have Leos Zlatnicek. I believe I'm saying

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that right. Leos, I hope so. Zlatnicek from Chechnya, giving

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us again a lot of Vulcan solidarity amongst our fans

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here tonight and a very cheerful smiley face emoji. So Leos,

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it's wonderful to know that you're out there Hope you

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have a great winter there in Europe. Gosh, I envy

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folks who get to spend winter in Europe. Amazing. Stephen Murphy.

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Or could it be Stephen Murphy? I'm not sure. A

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town called Mallow in County Corp. Ireland. A flag prominently

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positioned there. And Stephen says, Trekkie for life, and don't

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you forget it, right? I mean, that is fantastic.

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So... County Cork.

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I know some folks that might be related to my

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family living over there. So pretty cool. Excited to hear

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from you. And from Cairo, the city of the living

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and a paradise on earth in Egypt, it's our pal

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Ali Mohamed is signing in. Ali, great to hear from you.

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Cairo is one of those magical destinations that everybody in

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their life, I hope, gets a chance to visit. It's

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on my list. I'm very excited to go there myself

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and partake of its splendorous wonders. So as we've proven, folks,

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in a scientific method, there are clearly Star Trek and

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science fiction fans replete across this very globe. Even in

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humble corners of New Jersey, Poughkeepsie, where else do we

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have fans, Uncle Jim?

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Why, thank you so much, Paul.

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Now, I don't have any emojis. Everyone gets emojis but me. Guys,

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send me some emojis on our Facebook page. So I

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want to say hello and thank you to Belladonna Graves,

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who's listening to us right now in New Hampshire, just

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across the border from where I am sitting at this

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very moment. We also want to say hello and thank

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you to Mary L.

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Coons, who says, originally from Philadelphia, PA, now existing in Vermont.

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I love how she says existing.

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And I can tell you, Mary, I relate to that. I,

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sadly enough, exist here as well. So nice to have you.

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We also want to say hello and thank you to

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Lois Cohen, who's in Newark, New Jersey.

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Thank you, Lois.

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And last but not least, we want to say hello,

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thank you, and kapow, to Bill Schrebner, who's in Auburn, Massachusetts.

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All right, guys.

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Oh, and while you're on our Facebook page, you can

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answer our polls. And speaking of polls, David, roll the tape.

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Pullin', pullin', pullin'. You know me like no win.

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What you thought about the show and me trovin'. To.

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and together we will all dream. Kadar and Romulan ALT.

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Now, with the 60th anniversary of Star Trek, I thought

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it might be fun to find out what the fans

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would pick for their all-time 60th anniversary crew. And so far,

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the crew of the USS Shaqari includes Scotty.

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As our chief engineer, and Eric.

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What's going on now? What's our latest poll?

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Well, this week we are talking about chief of security.

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So as the captain of your ship, who would you choose?

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And we have Eight choices pictured on the screen here

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by David, and we're going to go through them from

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least popular to most popular. 1% of our responders said

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that they would go with Ellen Landry. Ellen Landry, there

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you go. Yeah, not many people know who she is,

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I think. Similarly, only 3% said none, despite the fact

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that she did play prominently in at least one season

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of Star Trek Discovery. Um, but, uh, you know, not

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a super popular character. So, uh, non came in at

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seventh in sixth place. We have Chekhov and I have

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all check. I, is he, is he chief of security?

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Is that his Chekhov chief of security? I don't remember.

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he was security. Ah, okay. Okay. He was weapons officer

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in the motion picture. It's hard to.

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also security, so.

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Yeah, it was a good... It's a fair choice, yeah. Okay, well,

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4% of our.

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He's what you call a jack-of-all-trades show.

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That's awesome. In fifth place... We have Malcolm Reed from

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Enterprise with 5% of our votes. I think Malcolm Reed

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deserves more than that. He was a pretty sharp chief

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of security, actually. He was the only chief of security

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who I've really felt always did his job. You know,

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Worf would sometimes forget to do his job or do

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it poorly. Malcolm was always on point. But only 5%

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of you agree. In fourth place, we have Tasha Yar.

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Tasha Yar got 6% of the votes. She probably could

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have been an even better Chief of Security had she

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not been killed by Armus. In third place, we have La'an.

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the vote. So as much as the last three people

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or so combined. So that's pretty good. But then we

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have the big two. In second place... We have Worf,

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son of Moog. That's right. With 26% of the vote,

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Worf as chief of security got second place. And with

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a whopping 45% of the vote, maybe deserves more. We

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have the constable himself, Odo. That's right. Basically Sherlock Holmes.

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into anything and like pour through little tiny cracks. I mean,

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who are you going to choose? You're going to choose

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the guy who's a shapeshifter every single time. Plus he's

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got a rather surly disposition that I find delightful. So

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Yeah, chief of medical or something like that.

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do our cadet training. And for that, I'm going to

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hand the microphone over to Charles.

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Take it away, Charles.

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Thanks. Okay, cadet training, where I sit there and talk

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about how this episode ties into other Star Trek episodes. NTOS,

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City on the Edge of Forever, which I got to

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see on the big screen, is where we first saw Cortizene,

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which is what the doctor gave Kirk.

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Admiral out.

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General Order 24, an order to destroy all life and

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entire planet. This order has been given by Captain Gareth

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on Antos IV, Captain Kirk on MNR 7, and Admiral

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Simon Rieger on Argus II. On none of these occasions

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were the order actually fulfilled. Kirk called an order of

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last resort while arguing with Rieger about it. TOS, Whom

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Gods Destroy, Taserberg Armageddon, and Strange New Worlds Order of Magnitude.

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I know a topic that Eric loves.

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Evil admirals.

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Lead Admiral Alexander Marcus. Star Trek Into Darkness. Admiral Eric Pressman.

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Star Trek TNG, The Pegasus. Rear Admiral Nora Sati. From TNG, Drumhead.

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And then TOS, Doomsday Machine, season two. Deadly Years, season two. Voyager,

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B and C.

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This is where the Doctor will relieve the Captain from

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duty when they don't think they are mentally stable enough

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or able to command so paul i bet you're biting

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the bit to sit there and tell us about this episode.

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A little bit you know and i i try to

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really hold off my personal opinions until later if i

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can when i talk about the episode more in depth

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but just starting this recap i'm i'm super excited because

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there was some Damn good writing happening in this particular episode,

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in which episode number eight, Orders of Magnitude, Lieutenant Commander

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James T. Kirk finds himself serving as first officer on

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the Enterprise while a decorated war hero turns a personal

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vendetta into a dangerous command crisis. That's your setup, okay?

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To begin with, Captain Pike, Number One, Uhura, Chapel, and

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Cadet Asha. Apparently, Pike only travels with females. This is

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what I've noticed on the episode. They head down to

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this Class M moon with an elaborate cave system answering

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an emergency distress call. taking them off the ship. Meanwhile,

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highly respected Admiral Simon Rieger, portrayed by the wonderful Joe Morton,

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we'll talk more about him later, he comes on board

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the Enterprise in search of a stealth alien vessel that

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is elusive as can be and is evidently responsible for

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a devastating Varden massacre. And he is determined to bring

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that ship to justice. With Pike stranded and out of communication,

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James Kirk, who's visiting, he becomes the senior officer on

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board and steps in as Admiral Rieger's first officer. And very,

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very quickly, Rieger becomes obsessed with destroying this enemy ship

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and eventually invokes extreme measures, as Charles intimated, General Order 24.

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that threaten an innocent planetary biosphere in its entirety and

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all the beings that live on that planet. We end

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up finding out that Rieger himself has a history with

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Kirk's father, George Kirk, who they serve together, kind of

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claiming in this disappointed way that his father, George Kirk,

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lacked the killer instinct that was necessary to do good

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back during the Klingon War, where they both served. Later on,

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we find out from Dr. Mbenga that that wasn't necessarily

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the case in that particular battle, that it may be

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that George Kirk did more than popular notions had it,

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and that perhaps somebody ended up to take credit for

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something that they shouldn't have to ruin his reputation out

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of ego and grief. Realizing that Admiral Rieger has completely

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lost his objectivity and is basically unfit for duty, Kirk

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provokes and deliberately agitates the Admiral into a violent rage.

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Mabenga legally declares the Admiral medically unfit for command. And ultimately,

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Laan has to neutralize him with a phaser stun, right?

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Down on the planet, though, there's a lot going on

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throughout all this, where there's an amazing situation where we

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find out that Pike stepped into a trap. The whole

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business of a distress call was like a lure to

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trick them into coming in there, where there is a

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party of Andorian soldiers that are there who take everybody prisoner.

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And I'll let some of the other Trexperts go into that,

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because I know at least one of my Trexperts on here,

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one of my Trexperts, one of us mutual Trexperts, has

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a lot of big love for Andorians. And I'd really

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like that Trexpert to weigh in on that B story,

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if you will, which I thought was really interesting. And

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for me, I like Andorians too, and it was really exciting.

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So there's a lot of cutting back and forth between

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events going on up on the Enterprise with his visiting

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Admiral and things going escalating down in the caverns of

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the planet with the Andorians. It's really great. The episode

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is a lot about approaches to command, the boundaries of

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following orders. I'll be happy to come back later on

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and talk a little bit more about this episode and

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give it a rating number. But I would say this

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is definitely, certainly, it's no spoiler to say that Orders

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of Magnitude is one of the best episodes of the

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season so far. And it gives us a lot to

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talk about but i'm pretty sure before we actually go

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there and all the treksperts have like you know kind

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of uh big horse bits in their mouth they're ready

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to go in here but um eric is got a

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voluminous category of all the different things some of our

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fans have to say did our fans dig this episode

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e what do you say man are they are they

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high on on this stuff what do you.

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Think as Only one way to tell Paul, we have

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to tell their story. And the story of Ronald Paul

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Woods is that he's a top fan and he gave

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it a solid nine. It would have been a 10,

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but he can't wrap his head around Pike and Una

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both going on a dangerous away mission. That shit happens

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at Star Trek.

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All the time.

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Has this guy ever watched Star Trek ever? I mean, Kirk, Spock,

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and McCoy went on every way.

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Constantly, right?

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Yeah.

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Yeah, so it's just what you do in Star Trek.

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But didn't Pike say in the beginning, didn't he say, Una,

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you're a woman, you have to go with me on

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this landing party. Oh, this is a landing party of

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only women.

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Well, you know, Paul, I mean, I was thinking about that. And,

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you know, the fact is that, like, it reads that way,

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but we actually have women on the ship now in

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places of command when we didn't used to have that.

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How crazy was that, man? So, you know, maybe that's

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as simple as all it is.

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Yeah, that's all I got.

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I got it.

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Well, anyway, thanks, Ron, for your opinions on that. And

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you gave it a nine. Joe Sittig also gave it

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a nine. The Kirk story was great. Joe Morton was incredible.

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Paul Wesley, too. The cave B plot. You could tell

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some stuff died in editing, but also caves. Who doesn't

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love a good cave story? Can't disagree, Joe. Charlie Zimmerman

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gave it a 10. Good suspense, good action, a few

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small touches of natural humor, and excellent character moments. Appreciated

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that they didn't feel the need to answer every question.

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Leaned into the chapel slash embenga rift a little harder

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than I would like, but that's clearly an arc that's

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still building into a climax.

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Thanks, Charlie. Good review.

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Doug Garlinger gave it a 10. When you put Eli

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Pope of Scandal in command.

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You know he wants to kill a lot of people.

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You don't take command. Kirk in command takes you. Thanks, Doug.

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Sabrina Inej Raya said, well, because there's so much that

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can still be done, I have to go with a

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solid nine. It seems to be going in the correct

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direction for Star Trek. Clearly with Pike and this period

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of time before Kirk becomes captain of the Enterprise, there's

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many opportunities to create excellent shows that will be in

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the seven, eight, or nine range. Living Room, for a

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solid 10. Every once in a while, landing a 10

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is essentially what Sabrina was saying. Thank you so much.

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Ashley Williams also gave it a perfect 10. My nitpicks

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were not enough to bring it down. Conversely, Morton Trotter

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only gave it a 6. They said it was definitely

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one of the better episodes of the season, but this season,

456
00:26:54.940 --> 00:26:58.210
that's not saying much. The writing wasn't that great, and

457
00:26:58.250 --> 00:27:01.890
Joe Morton acting... was overdone. I'm sorry, I need to

458
00:27:01.930 --> 00:27:02.609
go wash my mouth.

459
00:27:06.549 --> 00:27:10.019
Wow. Love you, buddy.

460
00:27:12.039 --> 00:27:15.579
All right, here we go. Eduardo Oliveira gave it a

461
00:27:15.579 --> 00:27:18.960
10 with an exclamation point and 20 for Paul Wesley's

462
00:27:19.000 --> 00:27:23.730
portrayal of Kirk and 20 to Celia Rose Gooding as Uhura.

463
00:27:24.150 --> 00:27:25.450
She was great. Yeah.

464
00:27:25.990 --> 00:27:29.130
Ever think we'd see Brewer kick that much butt? I didn't,

465
00:27:29.250 --> 00:27:32.410
and I was pleasantly surprised. Michelle Sparrow gave it a

466
00:27:32.390 --> 00:27:34.490
10 out of 10 with a couple of cute emojis.

467
00:27:35.029 --> 00:27:37.230
And Fliss Lawrence, who we heard from last week, I

468
00:27:37.289 --> 00:27:40.730
remember because that sounds familiar, gave it a 10. Great

469
00:27:40.829 --> 00:27:42.210
backstory for James T.

470
00:27:42.269 --> 00:27:42.509
Kirk.

471
00:27:42.630 --> 00:27:46.150
I also appreciated the subtle nod to veterans with PTSD

472
00:27:46.230 --> 00:27:49.940
who feel pressured to ignore their symptoms and act normal.

473
00:27:50.880 --> 00:27:53.119
I acknowledge that there are a few plot holes, like

474
00:27:53.160 --> 00:27:56.579
the Federation allowing a captain, now admiral, to misrepresent his

475
00:27:56.680 --> 00:28:00.019
role in a pivotal battle, with ship video logs that

476
00:28:00.059 --> 00:28:03.980
would contradict him and letting him continue to undermine his

477
00:28:04.039 --> 00:28:07.599
first officer's career. I like the acknowledgement that the Federation

478
00:28:07.900 --> 00:28:12.420
is imperfect. I did find the Subterranean Andorian subplot hard

479
00:28:12.460 --> 00:28:15.420
to believe, but it makes sense in light of Uhura's promotion.

480
00:28:15.920 --> 00:28:22.740
Fan score combined this week of 9.4. Yeah, 9.4. That's

481
00:28:22.779 --> 00:28:26.380
a serious fan score. Let's see. It looks like it

482
00:28:26.440 --> 00:28:29.299
was only bested by the very first episode this season,

483
00:28:29.319 --> 00:28:32.799
which the fans gave a 9.7. So, second best of

484
00:28:32.819 --> 00:28:33.960
the season, according to our fans.

485
00:28:35.609 --> 00:28:37.869
Well, you know what, Eric? I'm going to give it

486
00:28:37.910 --> 00:28:41.930
a solid 10. I am so excited, you know what,

487
00:28:42.470 --> 00:28:45.819
to see Star Trek like this. Oh, my God. If

488
00:28:45.880 --> 00:28:48.670
they can write episodes this good, why are they doing

489
00:28:48.750 --> 00:28:52.190
gimmicky crap? Why aren't they writing stuff like this every week?

490
00:28:52.710 --> 00:28:53.589
Come on, guys.

491
00:28:54.049 --> 00:28:58.029
This episode was perfect. This episode had it all.

492
00:28:58.049 --> 00:29:01.220
I don't want to... Uhura?

493
00:29:01.460 --> 00:29:03.660
The last time I saw Uhura kick ass like that

494
00:29:04.039 --> 00:29:08.839
was in the Kelvin Universe movies. So to see them

495
00:29:08.940 --> 00:29:12.890
utilize Uhura just did me proud. I had a tear

496
00:29:12.910 --> 00:29:15.720
in my eye when they mentioned him. At the end,

497
00:29:15.759 --> 00:29:18.680
when she got her promotion, I was like, oh, my God,

498
00:29:18.720 --> 00:29:23.819
this is just wow. Kirk, you know, a couple episodes ago,

499
00:29:23.839 --> 00:29:27.079
we got to see Scotty turn the corner. Now we

500
00:29:27.099 --> 00:29:32.130
get to see Kirk do the same thing. Wow, what

501
00:29:32.170 --> 00:29:36.230
can I say? Phenomenal acting by Paul Wesley.

502
00:29:37.269 --> 00:29:41.990
Great script. Lots of action. The albumer was a dink.

503
00:29:42.579 --> 00:29:45.839
But I'll let Eric talk about that.

504
00:29:46.660 --> 00:29:49.200
I loved it. I loved it, loved it, loved it. Please,

505
00:29:49.380 --> 00:29:53.859
please bring on more episodes like this. You've proven you

506
00:29:53.880 --> 00:29:56.920
can do it. Please keep doing it. And let's stay

507
00:29:56.940 --> 00:29:59.180
away from the Brady Bunch and Gilligan's Island and all

508
00:29:59.200 --> 00:30:08.390
this other garbage. And just write Star Trek like this, because, wow, outstanding, phenomenal,

509
00:30:08.970 --> 00:30:15.529
perfect 10 from me. And with that, oh, and what

510
00:30:15.569 --> 00:30:18.390
did V, I asked V in the chat to score,

511
00:30:18.450 --> 00:30:20.930
and I don't remember what she said. What did V score?

512
00:30:21.029 --> 00:30:23.130
A 9.75.

513
00:30:24.960 --> 00:30:28.299
Okay, V gave it a 9.75 because she couldn't be

514
00:30:28.339 --> 00:30:32.319
with us tonight. So 10 for me and a 9.75

515
00:30:32.319 --> 00:30:32.900
from V.

516
00:30:33.279 --> 00:30:34.619
David, you want to jump in next?

517
00:30:35.200 --> 00:30:40.309
Sure, yeah. I have to agree with you, Jim. This

518
00:30:40.529 --> 00:30:45.329
episode probably gave me a little bit of a breather

519
00:30:45.829 --> 00:30:47.809
from all the other episodes that we had to suffer through.

520
00:30:48.849 --> 00:30:57.210
But this one actually made me think that... with now,

521
00:30:57.269 --> 00:31:00.430
since we got somewhat of a backstory of Kirk's father

522
00:31:00.970 --> 00:31:05.980
and more interactions with the brother, Sam makes me wonder

523
00:31:06.059 --> 00:31:09.579
if they're going to be doing a reboot, then yeah,

524
00:31:09.599 --> 00:31:11.980
we're going to be getting more and more backstories as

525
00:31:12.039 --> 00:31:15.009
everything unfolds. And, you know, it'd be really fun to watch.

526
00:31:15.180 --> 00:31:19.119
So I can't wait for that to happen. But, uh, Yeah,

527
00:31:19.700 --> 00:31:21.500
I do have a couple of nitpicks that I was

528
00:31:21.559 --> 00:31:26.519
kind of wondering about. So the idea with the Andorian

529
00:31:27.299 --> 00:31:28.059
at the very.

530
00:31:27.880 --> 00:31:28.220
End, the.

531
00:31:29.960 --> 00:31:34.740
Guy gets crumbled down with the slag mite coming down.

532
00:31:34.779 --> 00:31:36.819
It was just like the editing part was just like,

533
00:31:36.940 --> 00:31:39.400
why didn't he move? It seems like a long time

534
00:31:39.420 --> 00:31:42.269
for him to scream and whatnot. To me, that was

535
00:31:42.289 --> 00:31:44.569
just a little bit of a probably editing problem.

536
00:31:45.670 --> 00:31:47.450
However, yeah, so....

537
00:31:49.759 --> 00:31:52.000
Let's see, there's not much else in here that I

538
00:31:52.039 --> 00:31:58.940
wanted to really say, but I really did like Ahura's

539
00:31:59.339 --> 00:32:04.349
ability to just fight or flight situations. You don't know

540
00:32:04.490 --> 00:32:06.849
what your body can do, and so people can just

541
00:32:06.890 --> 00:32:12.579
surprise you. I actually enjoyed watching the idea that she

542
00:32:12.619 --> 00:32:16.099
was able to remember her training, as Pike would say.

543
00:32:16.920 --> 00:32:18.140
So that was really cool.

544
00:32:21.640 --> 00:32:22.470
Let's see, what else?

545
00:32:24.170 --> 00:32:27.369
I like the plot twist with Mbenga was the one

546
00:32:27.390 --> 00:32:37.400
that actually he didn't actually slip him wait so remind me,

547
00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:41.180
was it Mbenga who actually slipped the Admiral the courtesan?

548
00:32:41.819 --> 00:32:43.099
Or was it actually Kirk?

549
00:32:43.480 --> 00:32:44.039
No, it was Kirk.

550
00:32:44.059 --> 00:32:45.339
Kirk put it in his coffee.

551
00:32:46.660 --> 00:32:48.269
Right, okay. For some reason I thought it was the

552
00:32:48.289 --> 00:32:51.849
other way around. Okay, so It was an interesting plot

553
00:32:51.890 --> 00:32:56.140
twist to me that he tried to save Kirk that way.

554
00:32:58.779 --> 00:33:01.279
But at the same time, it makes me wonder, because

555
00:33:01.339 --> 00:33:03.680
I'm trying to remember the episode with Mbenga from the

556
00:33:03.799 --> 00:33:07.960
original TOS. Was he still in Starfleet? Or was he

557
00:33:07.980 --> 00:33:09.329
just kind of like a civilian now?

558
00:33:09.640 --> 00:33:13.529
No, he was a medical specialist. So he was no longer,

559
00:33:13.849 --> 00:33:17.849
or he wasn't the, they don't say that. I think

560
00:33:17.890 --> 00:33:20.329
he's from an institute. He's not from Starfleet.

561
00:33:20.930 --> 00:33:23.829
Okay, so he did actually pretty much lost his job

562
00:33:23.890 --> 00:33:24.349
and everything.

563
00:33:24.430 --> 00:33:24.750
Okay.

564
00:33:24.849 --> 00:33:27.950
I mean, we didn't really know that until now, but yeah.

565
00:33:28.069 --> 00:33:31.380
I mean, it's interesting how they're trying to make it

566
00:33:32.410 --> 00:33:36.759
continuity-wise to put the two together. So I actually give

567
00:33:36.799 --> 00:33:42.059
him a plot for that. And yeah, I think everybody

568
00:33:42.099 --> 00:33:44.880
in here did an excellent job. I really liked the acting.

569
00:33:44.980 --> 00:33:50.200
I really liked the plot. And it was a well-balanced...

570
00:33:50.700 --> 00:33:53.259
and it didn't seem like it kind of like lagged

571
00:33:53.299 --> 00:33:55.440
or anything, except for that one enduring part of the

572
00:33:55.480 --> 00:33:59.819
death scene. But, uh, other than that, yeah, I'm going

573
00:33:59.839 --> 00:34:02.700
to have to give this a 10.

574
00:34:03.349 --> 00:34:03.690
Wow.

575
00:34:03.789 --> 00:34:07.730
It's pretty respectable so far. And Eric, how about you?

576
00:34:07.750 --> 00:34:08.710
You want to jump in here?

577
00:34:10.010 --> 00:34:11.889
Yeah, sure.

578
00:34:12.130 --> 00:34:12.710
Yeah.

579
00:34:12.789 --> 00:34:14.090
I mean, it was kind of, it kind of felt

580
00:34:14.110 --> 00:34:18.320
like this episode was made for me. Uh, so yeah. Um,

581
00:34:18.750 --> 00:34:20.989
no question that I agree with everything everybody has said

582
00:34:21.050 --> 00:34:22.809
so far. So I just want to add my own

583
00:34:22.869 --> 00:34:27.190
thoughts about, um, Simon Rieger played by Joe Morton. I mean,

584
00:34:27.690 --> 00:34:31.829
as Paul said, that man can act and the, I

585
00:34:31.909 --> 00:34:36.630
disagree with the, the, um, the person who contacted us

586
00:34:36.650 --> 00:34:38.949
and said that it was overacted. I don't think that's

587
00:34:39.010 --> 00:34:42.179
true at all. In fact, uh, I think, you know,

588
00:34:42.260 --> 00:34:44.420
even though this was kind of like the classic bad

589
00:34:44.440 --> 00:34:49.070
moral sort of situation, um, The reason that he was

590
00:34:49.119 --> 00:34:50.909
so good, that Joe Martin was so good, is not

591
00:34:50.949 --> 00:34:54.550
only because he's a very skilled actor, but the way

592
00:34:54.590 --> 00:34:57.269
the character was written is written like all of the

593
00:34:57.309 --> 00:35:01.690
best bad admirals, which is that the admiral 100% believes

594
00:35:02.130 --> 00:35:04.909
in what they're doing and that it is the absolute

595
00:35:04.969 --> 00:35:09.039
right thing to do. In this case, we've got him saying,

596
00:35:09.159 --> 00:35:14.769
you know, I will sacrifice, you know, a relative handful

597
00:35:14.829 --> 00:35:18.010
of people to save, uh, to save millions of people.

598
00:35:18.050 --> 00:35:20.630
So he's doing this calculus of the needs of the

599
00:35:20.690 --> 00:35:24.789
many always outweigh the needs of the few. And, um,

600
00:35:25.289 --> 00:35:28.079
you know, it's clear that he hasn't, he hasn't seen

601
00:35:28.119 --> 00:35:33.860
Star Trek two. Um, you know, Spock teaches us that

602
00:35:33.900 --> 00:35:38.199
that's not all necessarily, um, the case, but in this one,

603
00:35:38.239 --> 00:35:40.110
he was so good. And he actually, it kind of

604
00:35:40.139 --> 00:35:43.079
gave me a little, a little bit of, um, of

605
00:35:43.139 --> 00:35:46.639
vibes of Charles mentioned Satie from The Drumhead, one of

606
00:35:46.679 --> 00:35:50.210
my favorite, like, bad moral episodes. And she's so good

607
00:35:50.250 --> 00:35:54.429
because she absolutely believes that there is a conspirator and

608
00:35:54.449 --> 00:35:56.570
that there's trouble and that she's got to root it

609
00:35:56.690 --> 00:35:58.650
out and all this kind of stuff. And it turns

610
00:35:58.690 --> 00:36:01.860
out that she's just really a zealot, you know. And

611
00:36:01.900 --> 00:36:03.360
in a lot of ways, that's what we've got from

612
00:36:03.420 --> 00:36:06.099
Rieger here. He's just a person who is on his

613
00:36:06.219 --> 00:36:12.039
own personal mission. And he eventually sort of admits it,

614
00:36:12.199 --> 00:36:14.829
I think, What was interesting was that as that kind

615
00:36:14.869 --> 00:36:18.030
of story went on and on, and before I get

616
00:36:18.050 --> 00:36:19.289
to what I was just going to say, I will

617
00:36:19.329 --> 00:36:22.480
say that the moments between Paul Wesley and Joe Morton

618
00:36:22.619 --> 00:36:25.820
on the bridge together and the tension of those two,

619
00:36:26.500 --> 00:36:30.619
it was absolutely electric. Those were like my absolute favorite

620
00:36:30.639 --> 00:36:34.579
scenes from this episode, just the two of them. Paul Wesley,

621
00:36:34.840 --> 00:36:39.309
Kirk constantly challenging the Admiral, everybody else on the bridge

622
00:36:39.449 --> 00:36:43.380
looking around like, is this Admiral crazy? And like, they're

623
00:36:43.519 --> 00:36:45.929
all glad that Kirk is there to kind of represent

624
00:36:45.969 --> 00:36:54.309
what they're all thinking. Right. But the, I knew if

625
00:36:54.389 --> 00:36:59.670
I took a sidetrack, I was going to, Oh, the, the, yeah, right.

626
00:36:59.690 --> 00:37:01.940
Towards the end. I, at some point, you know, when

627
00:37:01.960 --> 00:37:04.440
he kind of, when everything kind of starts going down

628
00:37:04.500 --> 00:37:06.679
on the bridge there towards the end of the episode,

629
00:37:07.030 --> 00:37:09.949
And he starts really getting kind of sweaty and, um,

630
00:37:10.269 --> 00:37:12.369
a little bit more emphatic and that kind of stuff.

631
00:37:12.769 --> 00:37:15.130
I leaned over to my wife and I, I, I

632
00:37:15.190 --> 00:37:18.690
literally said a Starfleet Admiral would never do that. He

633
00:37:18.730 --> 00:37:22.699
must've been drugged. And then it was like five minutes

634
00:37:22.739 --> 00:37:25.320
later in the episode, we found out that he was drugged. Um,

635
00:37:25.360 --> 00:37:28.179
so that was, that tells me that that was fantastic acting, right?

636
00:37:28.219 --> 00:37:32.139
Because we, we saw it happen and we believed that

637
00:37:32.159 --> 00:37:34.550
it was happening. So anyway, I love that. Um, So

638
00:37:34.590 --> 00:37:36.789
the whole A story was fantastic. I loved all of

639
00:37:36.849 --> 00:37:40.210
the performances. The B story was really fun for me.

640
00:37:40.610 --> 00:37:45.010
I liked that you start with the trope of sending

641
00:37:45.050 --> 00:37:48.210
all your most important people down together because that's what

642
00:37:48.250 --> 00:37:51.960
you do. I loved the fact, as soon as there

643
00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:54.179
were Andorians, you know, at first I was wondering if

644
00:37:54.219 --> 00:37:56.699
it was going to be another sort of just like,

645
00:37:58.599 --> 00:38:00.719
I don't know, just another little pirate story. And I

646
00:38:00.739 --> 00:38:02.820
guess maybe in some ways it was a pirate story.

647
00:38:02.840 --> 00:38:05.880
I just felt like sorry, did you say something, Jim?

648
00:38:07.639 --> 00:38:11.570
Oh, I, we lost you for a moment. We lost you.

649
00:38:11.829 --> 00:38:12.110
Oh, okay.

650
00:38:12.570 --> 00:38:13.170
Uh, sorry.

651
00:38:13.429 --> 00:38:14.050
I'm, I'm here.

652
00:38:14.070 --> 00:38:16.690
Uh, I was just going to say that, uh, in

653
00:38:16.750 --> 00:38:19.190
some ways it was like just a pirate story, but

654
00:38:19.329 --> 00:38:22.170
it wasn't because the pirates weren't attacking, right? The pirates

655
00:38:22.230 --> 00:38:24.329
were being the jailers and they were sort of holding

656
00:38:24.369 --> 00:38:27.840
these people and forcing Uhura to do, uh, the things

657
00:38:27.889 --> 00:38:29.380
that they needed to be done so that they could

658
00:38:29.440 --> 00:38:33.059
then pirate more. Um, And I also leaned over to

659
00:38:33.079 --> 00:38:34.739
my wife and I said, what's going on with these?

660
00:38:34.840 --> 00:38:36.440
Before we learned that they were pirates, I said, what's

661
00:38:36.460 --> 00:38:39.699
going on with these Andorians? They're members of Starfleet. And

662
00:38:39.719 --> 00:38:43.110
then they just explained that. So all the little details

663
00:38:43.210 --> 00:38:45.150
in there, I'm telling you all this to say that

664
00:38:45.230 --> 00:38:47.690
all the little details in the writing of this episode

665
00:38:47.750 --> 00:38:50.170
to me added up to a much better episode. They

666
00:38:50.190 --> 00:38:53.230
paid attention to the fact that we're smart and that

667
00:38:53.250 --> 00:38:55.929
we are going to be asking ourselves questions during the episode.

668
00:38:55.969 --> 00:38:59.289
And they preemptively answered a lot of those questions, um,

669
00:38:59.820 --> 00:39:04.360
which I thought was great. So it was personally exactly

670
00:39:04.440 --> 00:39:06.519
what I want from a Star Trek episode. I don't

671
00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:11.340
necessarily want gimmicks. I don't want scary horror. I want

672
00:39:11.400 --> 00:39:16.329
a complex, well-written narrative that tells great character stories. We

673
00:39:16.349 --> 00:39:18.769
get to see fun moments like Uhura totally kicking ass.

674
00:39:18.789 --> 00:39:22.190
That was really cool. We get to see moments of,

675
00:39:23.429 --> 00:39:25.530
you know, we're sort of joking about it, but like,

676
00:39:25.840 --> 00:39:28.130
Pike taking an all-woman team, right? This is Star Trek

677
00:39:28.150 --> 00:39:30.119
in the 21st century. I'm so excited that we get

678
00:39:30.139 --> 00:39:34.260
to experience a different type of Star Trek. So anyway,

679
00:39:35.059 --> 00:39:37.619
absolutely love this episode. It was an absolute 10 from me.

680
00:39:37.760 --> 00:39:39.769
It's my favorite of the season so far.

681
00:39:41.769 --> 00:39:44.369
You know what, Eric? One of the things that I

682
00:39:44.530 --> 00:39:47.349
really liked about it, you remember when Pike came on

683
00:39:47.389 --> 00:39:52.360
Discovery in season two? When we reviewed that episode, we

684
00:39:52.440 --> 00:39:54.539
all collectively agreed that one of the things that we

685
00:39:54.579 --> 00:39:57.739
really liked about Pike at that– Pike was a different character,

686
00:39:57.780 --> 00:39:58.860
I think, on Discovery.

687
00:39:59.219 --> 00:40:02.360
He's really different on Strange New World than he was

688
00:40:02.440 --> 00:40:03.000
on Discovery.

689
00:40:03.039 --> 00:40:05.699
But when he came on Discovery, the first thing he did,

690
00:40:05.739 --> 00:40:07.980
the thing that we all liked about him, was.

691
00:40:08.400 --> 00:40:09.599
He knew the crew.

692
00:40:10.960 --> 00:40:12.360
And he named them by names.

693
00:40:13.469 --> 00:40:15.980
And this guy did the same thing. And when he

694
00:40:16.019 --> 00:40:18.039
first came on the show, I was like, well, I

695
00:40:18.099 --> 00:40:23.539
like this guy. He reminds me of Pike from Discovery. And,

696
00:40:24.420 --> 00:40:28.500
you know, which is great. But then he quickly soured.

697
00:40:29.420 --> 00:40:32.260
But the fact that I liked him at first and

698
00:40:32.300 --> 00:40:35.500
thought he was a good guy and believed him is

699
00:40:35.519 --> 00:40:37.739
just a sign of good writing and good acting.

700
00:40:38.980 --> 00:40:42.179
Yeah, here's what I will say. I completely agree with

701
00:40:42.199 --> 00:40:44.619
everything you just said. The one thing I'll say about

702
00:40:44.760 --> 00:40:48.320
his admiral story is.

703
00:40:48.340 --> 00:40:48.420
I.

704
00:40:50.420 --> 00:40:52.139
Guess it was kind of cool that they wove the

705
00:40:52.159 --> 00:40:55.440
George Kirk story into his story, but what it did

706
00:40:55.539 --> 00:40:57.940
was that it took away the fact that he could

707
00:40:57.980 --> 00:41:01.300
really be a good admiral doing a bad thing. Because

708
00:41:01.360 --> 00:41:04.199
by giving him this backstory of being a guy who

709
00:41:04.260 --> 00:41:07.320
has held this secret for all these years, Now you

710
00:41:07.360 --> 00:41:09.409
just know that he's a bad guy. And so it just,

711
00:41:09.489 --> 00:41:12.630
you know, it makes him a slightly less interesting bad

712
00:41:12.769 --> 00:41:15.389
admiral when he's not a good guy doing a bad thing.

713
00:41:15.670 --> 00:41:19.809
But when he's maybe really just making bad decisions on

714
00:41:19.849 --> 00:41:20.849
a regular basis.

715
00:41:20.989 --> 00:41:28.719
I don't know. I agree completely. Charles, I guess you're

716
00:41:28.760 --> 00:41:31.179
next on this train. All right.

717
00:41:32.119 --> 00:41:34.239
Kind of got notes over here I can look at.

718
00:41:36.440 --> 00:41:38.679
I thought, okay, first thing I put in my notes.

719
00:41:39.119 --> 00:41:41.820
I heard that Pike and Una were off the ship

720
00:41:42.000 --> 00:41:43.420
when the Admiral arrived.

721
00:41:44.099 --> 00:41:45.599
I thought, interesting coincidence.

722
00:41:45.699 --> 00:41:50.469
It's like, okay, the main commanding officers were not there

723
00:41:50.969 --> 00:41:55.329
when the Admiral popped in. Interesting coincidence, or do you

724
00:41:55.369 --> 00:41:57.170
have an idea what was going on?

725
00:41:59.869 --> 00:42:00.670
Question of, if.

726
00:42:00.650 --> 00:42:03.949
You take over a ship and leave crew on board

727
00:42:03.969 --> 00:42:04.130
a planet.

728
00:42:06.119 --> 00:42:08.920
Do you sit there and just say, oh, we're leaving, bye,

729
00:42:09.860 --> 00:42:12.179
and not even let the crew that's on the planet

730
00:42:12.340 --> 00:42:13.260
know you're leaving?

731
00:42:13.280 --> 00:42:15.579
I thought that was like.

732
00:42:15.780 --> 00:42:19.929
Okay, I don't know if any captain would abandon crew

733
00:42:19.989 --> 00:42:23.650
members without at least letting them know.

734
00:42:24.909 --> 00:42:29.210
They did say that they were dropping a buoy. So

735
00:42:29.250 --> 00:42:30.510
they were going to.

736
00:42:30.409 --> 00:42:33.570
Be in the second that they came out. If Kirk

737
00:42:33.610 --> 00:42:38.039
hadn't said anything, he wouldn't have done that. And Pike

738
00:42:38.079 --> 00:42:39.800
could have gone up there and it's like, okay, I'm

739
00:42:39.860 --> 00:42:40.460
beam me up.

740
00:42:41.519 --> 00:42:45.099
Where's my ship. What happened to my ship?

741
00:42:47.489 --> 00:42:49.170
I think it was a little, that was the first

742
00:42:49.269 --> 00:42:52.030
clue right there with him when the, when the Admiral

743
00:42:52.050 --> 00:42:54.969
would sit there and say, okay, I'm not worried about

744
00:42:54.989 --> 00:42:55.510
the captain.

745
00:42:58.099 --> 00:43:01.619
A couple of interesting notes on this one. Episode writer

746
00:43:01.820 --> 00:43:02.739
Alan B.

747
00:43:04.380 --> 00:43:07.679
McElroy took credit for the final title in this episode

748
00:43:07.699 --> 00:43:14.980
of the podcast, Open Pike Night. McElroy said in the

749
00:43:15.059 --> 00:43:17.440
pitch that as a placeholder of the title of this

750
00:43:17.500 --> 00:43:23.670
episode was Bad Admiral. So I thought it funny that

751
00:43:23.690 --> 00:43:27.710
they had the term Bad Admiral in there. The title

752
00:43:27.730 --> 00:43:30.730
is a play on words as a term order of

753
00:43:30.789 --> 00:43:34.699
magnitude refers to the difference between the numbers, but could

754
00:43:34.760 --> 00:43:38.119
also be taken as a reference to command of general importance.

755
00:43:41.300 --> 00:43:43.239
Thought that was an interesting take on that.

756
00:43:44.900 --> 00:43:49.610
Interesting use of, which I didn't realize it hadn't been

757
00:43:49.719 --> 00:43:53.210
used that much, is the use of Starfleet Order 104,

758
00:43:53.210 --> 00:43:57.929
Section C. or as I looked it up, B and C,

759
00:43:59.389 --> 00:44:02.889
where you can remove a captain or.

760
00:44:02.929 --> 00:44:06.110
Officer due to their mental condition.

761
00:44:09.550 --> 00:44:13.789
The planetary story with Pike, I wasn't as big a

762
00:44:13.869 --> 00:44:18.489
fan of that one other than, okay, we're kind of

763
00:44:18.530 --> 00:44:23.010
getting Una the promotion, but I wasn't really sure.

764
00:44:26.070 --> 00:44:27.269
How did that quite fit in?

765
00:44:27.309 --> 00:44:32.150
We got a good action scene with Uhura, but just

766
00:44:32.190 --> 00:44:36.409
interesting how they did it. I'm wondering if this is

767
00:44:36.510 --> 00:44:39.760
also just a help for Mbega's exit.

768
00:44:41.860 --> 00:44:42.639
As you said with.

769
00:44:42.559 --> 00:44:44.739
Chapel, that.

770
00:44:46.559 --> 00:44:51.260
The relationship between Mbega and Chapel is kind of deteriorating.

771
00:44:53.179 --> 00:44:54.980
And we wonder if this might be some way of

772
00:44:55.019 --> 00:44:58.039
an exit for Embega to try moving on.

773
00:45:02.300 --> 00:45:08.409
Interesting use of court design, which, why does.

774
00:45:08.289 --> 00:45:11.949
That kind of affect me? Well, gee, I just got

775
00:45:11.989 --> 00:45:14.050
to see City and the Edge of Forever on the

776
00:45:14.090 --> 00:45:19.289
big screen. And that's the episode where they were able

777
00:45:19.309 --> 00:45:22.869
to take a small amount and give it to Sulu

778
00:45:22.989 --> 00:45:26.559
and Sulu was okay. You gave too much of a

779
00:45:26.599 --> 00:45:33.199
dose and McCoy went almost mad. So in this case,

780
00:45:33.239 --> 00:45:40.059
they gave just enough for the Admiral to slowly go crazy,

781
00:45:40.159 --> 00:45:47.090
but it took more time on this one than I thought. Also,

782
00:45:47.190 --> 00:45:49.469
as Jim said about the fact that he knew all

783
00:45:49.510 --> 00:45:54.099
his crew members, but yet he had a tendency not

784
00:45:54.139 --> 00:45:57.880
to want to take suggestions from his crew, which is

785
00:45:57.920 --> 00:46:01.929
the one thing we enjoy seeing from Pike is the

786
00:46:02.010 --> 00:46:06.730
fact that, okay, Pike wants options. He'll ask his crew

787
00:46:06.849 --> 00:46:10.409
opinions to how to help out with it. Whereas the

788
00:46:10.550 --> 00:46:12.550
Admiral was more of the point is like, he'll take,

789
00:46:12.929 --> 00:46:15.690
he'll take comments, but he wants to go with what's

790
00:46:15.809 --> 00:46:21.449
his decision. And which kind of leads to showing of

791
00:46:22.070 --> 00:46:26.909
him being supposedly the big hero. And in truth, finding

792
00:46:26.989 --> 00:46:31.340
out what's happened. How much of a hero the Admiral

793
00:46:31.489 --> 00:46:35.900
wasn't for what he did, but took credit for the situation.

794
00:46:41.760 --> 00:46:44.380
So with this one, I'm going to go with a nine.

795
00:46:45.829 --> 00:46:48.829
I think that main story was very good. I think

796
00:46:48.849 --> 00:46:51.010
the B story could have used some work.

797
00:46:54.019 --> 00:46:57.380
And as usual, Paul, you get to bring up the

798
00:46:57.420 --> 00:46:58.579
caboose on this one, buddy.

799
00:47:00.920 --> 00:47:04.829
Okay. Well, you know, sometimes I'm a little rough on

800
00:47:04.869 --> 00:47:07.889
these episodes, right? There've been some turkeys this year for me,

801
00:47:08.010 --> 00:47:12.090
but this one was really, really well, well, well produced. Again, no,

802
00:47:13.400 --> 00:47:15.440
pole position for me the writing i thought the writing

803
00:47:15.480 --> 00:47:18.900
was incredibly strong on here um really really great you

804
00:47:18.940 --> 00:47:23.780
know old school uh the best star treks i think

805
00:47:23.920 --> 00:47:27.139
typically they're moral dilemmas right where we run into those

806
00:47:27.199 --> 00:47:29.880
kind of morality play situations and that's what we got

807
00:47:29.900 --> 00:47:35.659
going on here in a realistic dynamic right cannot even

808
00:47:35.739 --> 00:47:40.000
begin to say enough good stuff about joe morton I

809
00:47:40.039 --> 00:47:42.599
remember Joe Morton going back, and I don't even know

810
00:47:42.639 --> 00:47:45.860
what year it was. I think it was probably like

811
00:47:45.860 --> 00:47:48.619
1983 or 1984, an early John Sayles movie called The

812
00:47:48.719 --> 00:47:52.840
Brother from Another Planet, where he plays an alien who's

813
00:47:53.500 --> 00:48:00.000
maroon on Earth. It's a performance without speech. He plays

814
00:48:00.039 --> 00:48:02.199
a mute alien. He doesn't speak for the entire thing.

815
00:48:02.769 --> 00:48:05.869
But he is completely conveying so many emotions. He's just

816
00:48:05.909 --> 00:48:08.409
a very expressive actor. He does an incredible job. And

817
00:48:08.449 --> 00:48:11.800
of course, a lot of people first saw Joe Morton

818
00:48:11.949 --> 00:48:15.719
in Terminator 2 Judgment Day, where he's Miles Dyson, the

819
00:48:15.780 --> 00:48:17.199
father of AI, if.

820
00:48:17.179 --> 00:48:18.039
You will, right?

821
00:48:18.139 --> 00:48:23.139
So very interesting in this day and age to consider

822
00:48:23.219 --> 00:48:28.780
Miles Dyson and his fate. phenomenal performance here. And I

823
00:48:28.800 --> 00:48:31.690
would say the same thing for Paul Wesley as Kirk.

824
00:48:31.789 --> 00:48:33.409
I mean, they just really got a chance to play

825
00:48:33.449 --> 00:48:36.409
off of each other really, really well. I thought it

826
00:48:36.530 --> 00:48:40.869
was a really interesting dynamic between Kirk and La'an as well,

827
00:48:41.389 --> 00:48:43.610
with everything that's been going on in the past between them,

828
00:48:44.510 --> 00:48:47.130
you know, because we don't have Kirk on board the

829
00:48:47.150 --> 00:48:49.650
Enterprise regularly yet. Every now and then he does, but

830
00:48:49.690 --> 00:48:51.989
we haven't had a lot of him this season, right?

831
00:48:52.110 --> 00:48:54.309
So it's been really interesting to see the dynamic when

832
00:48:54.349 --> 00:48:58.989
folks are reunited and There's some distance and space between people. Again,

833
00:48:59.030 --> 00:49:01.110
they don't always have the same reaction. So I think

834
00:49:01.130 --> 00:49:06.869
that's been quite interesting to explore. I thought the secondary

835
00:49:06.909 --> 00:49:10.829
story in the caves was actually really good. I really

836
00:49:10.849 --> 00:49:13.630
thought that was engaging. I mean, it is a lot

837
00:49:13.670 --> 00:49:18.550
of core characters together, but I thought it worked, right?

838
00:49:18.690 --> 00:49:20.800
I thought they were nobly going on. this rescue mission,

839
00:49:20.920 --> 00:49:24.400
that everything just goes south. And I thought it was

840
00:49:24.659 --> 00:49:28.199
interestingly done. Really great. I forget the name of the

841
00:49:28.320 --> 00:49:30.449
actor who played the main Romulan, but I thought he

842
00:49:30.469 --> 00:49:34.309
did a really good job of being a very nefarious

843
00:49:34.369 --> 00:49:37.329
villain and quite, in his way, charming.

844
00:49:37.869 --> 00:49:38.070
Right.

845
00:49:38.329 --> 00:49:39.489
And so I thought that was really good.

846
00:49:39.710 --> 00:49:42.320
But I really thought the the.

847
00:49:42.469 --> 00:49:45.840
No one's really talking about the dynamic between Cadet Asha

848
00:49:45.880 --> 00:49:47.420
and Uvura a lot.

849
00:49:47.519 --> 00:49:47.760
Right.

850
00:49:47.880 --> 00:49:52.400
I thought that that was really interesting to explore. Uvura

851
00:49:52.460 --> 00:49:54.880
really sees herself as she wants to be a mentor

852
00:49:54.980 --> 00:49:58.860
for this recruit. And the recruit basically wants nothing to

853
00:49:58.900 --> 00:50:02.760
do with it. But when the time comes and kind

854
00:50:02.780 --> 00:50:04.719
of a bit of a surprise there, I'm assuming she's

855
00:50:05.019 --> 00:50:05.739
speaking the truth.

856
00:50:05.820 --> 00:50:05.960
Right.

857
00:50:05.980 --> 00:50:06.860
Because she's a Vulcan.

858
00:50:06.889 --> 00:50:07.260
Right.

859
00:50:07.710 --> 00:50:09.309
At the end, she says, you know what? I'm out.

860
00:50:09.650 --> 00:50:13.449
This is Cadet Asha, right? I'm leaving. This is not

861
00:50:13.469 --> 00:50:14.789
what I bargained for. This is not what I want

862
00:50:14.829 --> 00:50:16.909
to do. I'm leaving. Thanks for trying to mentor me. But,

863
00:50:17.170 --> 00:50:20.510
you know, go F yourself. I'm leaving. And so as

864
00:50:20.550 --> 00:50:22.070
soon as, you know, she wants nothing to do with

865
00:50:22.110 --> 00:50:25.610
her as a mentor. But as soon as things go wrong,

866
00:50:26.309 --> 00:50:28.389
her mentor is the first person she's going to blame.

867
00:50:28.909 --> 00:50:29.130
Right.

868
00:50:29.429 --> 00:50:32.750
That was really interesting. I don't know if we'll see

869
00:50:32.789 --> 00:50:35.389
her again or if she's just done with this episode.

870
00:50:35.409 --> 00:50:38.010
She has the near-death experience, thanks to the Romulans and

871
00:50:38.030 --> 00:50:43.469
their crazy mineral attack and whatnot. But it's pretty traumatic

872
00:50:43.510 --> 00:50:47.400
and well done. And I just thought Celia Rose Gooding

873
00:50:47.420 --> 00:50:49.440
was amazing in this, as it were. I thought she

874
00:50:49.460 --> 00:50:52.960
just did a kick-ass job. Not just the physicality, but

875
00:50:52.980 --> 00:50:55.960
I just thought her performance was really, really good. Because

876
00:50:56.000 --> 00:50:59.360
she's trying to be really empathetic and then she basically

877
00:50:59.420 --> 00:51:05.769
has to trick the Romulans that she's going to break ranks. Sorry,

878
00:51:05.789 --> 00:51:10.309
did I say Romulans? Sorry. It's been a long week, man.

879
00:51:10.429 --> 00:51:13.969
I'll tell you. She has to trick the Andorians into

880
00:51:14.269 --> 00:51:17.469
thinking that she's going to betray her values just to

881
00:51:17.510 --> 00:51:20.320
save someone's life, but it's all this thing she's sort

882
00:51:20.340 --> 00:51:22.340
of worked out so she can get close to the equipment,

883
00:51:22.719 --> 00:51:25.800
which is really good. And I'm assuming this whole cloaked

884
00:51:25.880 --> 00:51:28.039
ship that we're referring to is going to be basically

885
00:51:28.760 --> 00:51:32.690
the cloaked... bird of prey from Balance of Terror, right?

886
00:51:32.750 --> 00:51:35.610
I mean, they don't really, you know, obviously can't say it,

887
00:51:35.829 --> 00:51:38.969
but it sort of seems like we're pointing in that direction, right?

888
00:51:39.010 --> 00:51:41.820
Because I thought it was really deftly handled because, you know,

889
00:51:42.340 --> 00:51:46.239
Kirk has some familiarity with that in Balance of Terror

890
00:51:46.260 --> 00:51:48.800
where it seems like he's, you know, there's been some

891
00:51:48.880 --> 00:51:53.840
scuttlebutt amongst the ranks, right? At Starfleet Command. So it

892
00:51:53.860 --> 00:51:56.019
seems like this fits really well with that without, you know,

893
00:51:56.619 --> 00:52:00.739
breaking anyone's, you know, cannon head wide open, right? So

894
00:52:00.780 --> 00:52:04.320
I thought that was a good fit there. Yeah, I

895
00:52:04.380 --> 00:52:07.840
just thought all those things were really, really interesting. You know,

896
00:52:08.119 --> 00:52:12.230
Joe Morton in particular was just phenomenal. I gotta ask, though,

897
00:52:12.329 --> 00:52:15.030
I mean, unfortunately, I've only got a chance to watch

898
00:52:15.050 --> 00:52:19.590
this episode once. I really, really need to watch it.

899
00:52:20.030 --> 00:52:23.380
But did, I mean, was I getting the correct hit

900
00:52:23.500 --> 00:52:26.900
on Mabenga at the end that he knew George Kirk

901
00:52:26.960 --> 00:52:29.440
was basically had been set up the entire time.

902
00:52:29.980 --> 00:52:31.659
Yeah, absolutely.

903
00:52:32.019 --> 00:52:34.519
And then he was carrying that knowledge, right? And that

904
00:52:34.559 --> 00:52:38.139
basically that he knew Rieger had, you know, fucked everybody,

905
00:52:38.360 --> 00:52:40.690
you know, all these years. And I don't know, I

906
00:52:40.710 --> 00:52:44.429
don't know how you falsify records on a starship and

907
00:52:44.829 --> 00:52:46.849
that the technology, I think maybe one of our fans

908
00:52:46.909 --> 00:52:50.389
mentioned that, but, but even if he did manage to

909
00:52:50.449 --> 00:52:53.639
do that, I mean, why, why did Mbenga keep silent?

910
00:52:54.199 --> 00:52:56.110
this whole time, right? I think maybe that's going to

911
00:52:56.130 --> 00:52:58.489
be something that we get more of in subsequent episodes,

912
00:52:58.610 --> 00:52:59.909
is my hope.

913
00:53:00.309 --> 00:53:04.750
Well, Mimbinga also, I think in his kind of, in

914
00:53:04.789 --> 00:53:07.659
the wrap-up, he kind of explains it a little bit

915
00:53:08.059 --> 00:53:12.840
more from his perspective, like why he felt it needed

916
00:53:12.860 --> 00:53:15.400
to be kept a secret. It's one of these things

917
00:53:15.440 --> 00:53:19.590
where it's like, you keep the secret to protect X, right?

918
00:53:21.230 --> 00:53:22.650
Who is he protecting, though, man?

919
00:53:23.800 --> 00:53:25.940
I think it was the father of Cook, was it?

920
00:53:27.519 --> 00:53:32.519
No, I think it was Rieger. But I think what

921
00:53:32.559 --> 00:53:35.320
he said was he came back from the war and

922
00:53:35.340 --> 00:53:37.980
he was a hero and this and that. And he

923
00:53:38.019 --> 00:53:40.780
basically didn't want to piss all over the fact that

924
00:53:40.800 --> 00:53:44.519
they had made this guy into a hero. And so

925
00:53:44.579 --> 00:53:49.650
he kept it silent. And then I think... One of

926
00:53:49.670 --> 00:53:52.070
the things I'm getting from Mbenga is that he just

927
00:53:52.090 --> 00:53:56.269
carries so much guilt about so many different things, like

928
00:53:56.329 --> 00:53:58.250
from the war or whatever. And this is just another

929
00:53:58.329 --> 00:54:01.030
one of the things that he has just carried with him.

930
00:54:01.389 --> 00:54:04.179
And I feel like him getting out of Starfleet is

931
00:54:04.219 --> 00:54:06.480
a way for him to kind of release his guilt.

932
00:54:06.519 --> 00:54:10.300
And maybe we're seeing moments where he's trying to give

933
00:54:10.360 --> 00:54:12.579
up some of this stuff, get it off his chest.

934
00:54:13.460 --> 00:54:15.579
Yeah, but it just felt like it was against the...

935
00:54:16.110 --> 00:54:18.349
the picture I have of Mbenga as being like this

936
00:54:18.670 --> 00:54:20.829
hard ass from the Klingon war, right. Who would just,

937
00:54:20.949 --> 00:54:23.070
you know, do all these things or just, I think

938
00:54:23.110 --> 00:54:26.050
he would tell somebody who was lying to go after themselves.

939
00:54:26.130 --> 00:54:26.289
Right.

940
00:54:26.329 --> 00:54:28.389
So I'm just kind of like, I was really surprised.

941
00:54:28.429 --> 00:54:30.130
I was like, am I interpreting that? Right. I mean,

942
00:54:30.170 --> 00:54:32.510
why did he keep silent? The only reason I could

943
00:54:32.530 --> 00:54:35.840
think of would be like, if, uh, the, the Admiral

944
00:54:36.440 --> 00:54:37.590
had some dirt on it.

945
00:54:38.079 --> 00:54:38.320
Right.

946
00:54:38.760 --> 00:54:40.559
It's like, if you tell anybody, I'll, if you tell

947
00:54:40.599 --> 00:54:44.010
anybody the truth, I'll, I'll, tell everyone what you did, right?

948
00:54:44.030 --> 00:54:46.329
Maybe there was something like that, but I'm like, it

949
00:54:46.349 --> 00:54:48.769
seemed like a real, you know, they've got to deal

950
00:54:49.010 --> 00:54:49.550
more with that.

951
00:54:50.030 --> 00:54:53.190
I mean, what I got out of it, Paul, was

952
00:54:53.230 --> 00:54:57.570
that this, like, unfortunately we haven't gotten a good visual.

953
00:54:57.610 --> 00:55:00.070
We got some Klingon war stuff in discovery, right? But,

954
00:55:00.710 --> 00:55:03.320
but there's been a lot of talk about what used

955
00:55:03.340 --> 00:55:05.260
to happen back in the Klingon war by a lot

956
00:55:05.280 --> 00:55:08.039
of characters on this show, like Erica Ortega is, you know,

957
00:55:08.059 --> 00:55:09.559
and being as talked about and that kind of stuff.

958
00:55:10.039 --> 00:55:16.079
And because there are, exposating that rather than like showing

959
00:55:16.159 --> 00:55:19.619
it to us what it i think i think what

960
00:55:19.659 --> 00:55:23.260
it does is it takes away some of the like

961
00:55:23.449 --> 00:55:27.090
background information so it so if i imagine okay starfleet

962
00:55:27.170 --> 00:55:30.630
as a society federation as a society is completely thrown

963
00:55:30.670 --> 00:55:33.090
into chaos by this war like ships are getting blown

964
00:55:33.210 --> 00:55:35.409
up there's klingons like it literally takes all of their

965
00:55:35.489 --> 00:55:38.090
energy to fight this klingon war and then they have

966
00:55:38.119 --> 00:55:40.309
this massive victory. I don't know if it was the

967
00:55:40.349 --> 00:55:43.090
defining victory or what, but they have this massive victory,

968
00:55:43.469 --> 00:55:46.769
and the person comes back, and there's a hero. And

969
00:55:46.909 --> 00:55:51.789
the entire society is already behind the hero as that

970
00:55:51.869 --> 00:55:55.250
figurehead and symbol that they actually finally triumphed over the Klingons.

971
00:55:56.110 --> 00:55:58.699
So part of the calculus that Mbenga does in his

972
00:55:58.739 --> 00:56:01.099
head is, okay, is it worse for me to tell

973
00:56:01.139 --> 00:56:04.159
the truth and be like, no, no, no, no, it's

974
00:56:04.219 --> 00:56:08.170
actually this guy over here Or is it, or is

975
00:56:08.210 --> 00:56:10.309
it better to just kind of like let it, what's

976
00:56:10.349 --> 00:56:12.210
the harm of just letting it go? You know, that

977
00:56:12.550 --> 00:56:14.489
I think I could see a world in which somebody,

978
00:56:14.610 --> 00:56:18.389
even Mbenga would, would make that choice once again. I

979
00:56:18.639 --> 00:56:21.699
don't know if that's true, but that's the way.

980
00:56:21.659 --> 00:56:22.480
I read it.

981
00:56:22.619 --> 00:56:25.420
Let's not forget that this is not the first time

982
00:56:25.519 --> 00:56:26.380
Mbenga did this.

983
00:56:26.420 --> 00:56:28.000
He did it under the cloak of war.

984
00:56:28.019 --> 00:56:29.099
Well, that's what I'm saying.

985
00:56:29.659 --> 00:56:29.900
Yeah.

986
00:56:29.960 --> 00:56:30.179
Yeah.

987
00:56:30.219 --> 00:56:33.300
So, you know, done this before, so.

988
00:56:33.440 --> 00:56:36.559
Yeah. He's got a history of hiding things, right?

989
00:56:36.860 --> 00:56:40.000
Okay, all right. I think I need to ruminate. None

990
00:56:40.039 --> 00:56:41.960
of this is a critique. I think, to me, this

991
00:56:42.000 --> 00:56:44.880
just is showing that I'm more engaged because I want

992
00:56:44.900 --> 00:56:46.380
to talk about it, right? Because I thought it was

993
00:56:46.400 --> 00:56:50.010
really interesting because it is a morality play, this show, right?

994
00:56:50.050 --> 00:56:53.300
And there's really interesting stuff going on. So I'm intrigued

995
00:56:53.320 --> 00:56:55.809
by all that, right? I think, to me, good writing.

996
00:56:55.849 --> 00:56:58.269
It's not black and white, and there's things going on.

997
00:56:58.329 --> 00:57:01.650
And so I'm really curious about how, you know, because

998
00:57:01.670 --> 00:57:03.449
I'm like, at the end of the episode, if I'm like,

999
00:57:04.079 --> 00:57:07.300
interpreted it right, you know, watching it. I'm like, fun, Jim,

1000
00:57:07.480 --> 00:57:09.480
Jim and Sam Kirk. I'm going to be like, you know,

1001
00:57:10.000 --> 00:57:12.619
looking for a flight of stairs to push my benga down. Right.

1002
00:57:12.739 --> 00:57:15.210
I mean, I'm like, you know, fuck you, man. I mean, like,

1003
00:57:15.230 --> 00:57:17.909
you know, I'm, I'm going to, you know, lock you

1004
00:57:17.949 --> 00:57:22.449
in your sickbay and remove the oxygen. I mean, what, what,

1005
00:57:22.590 --> 00:57:24.909
what you did to our family. It's like, he's on the,

1006
00:57:24.949 --> 00:57:28.449
he's on the America list. Right. I mean, I don't know, but, uh,

1007
00:57:28.969 --> 00:57:31.050
None of this, like I said, it's just interesting. This

1008
00:57:31.110 --> 00:57:33.230
is a sign that you've been engaged when you're talking

1009
00:57:33.250 --> 00:57:35.710
about this and you're making up all these things.

1010
00:57:35.730 --> 00:57:40.329
I got something quick to ask because I don't remember this.

1011
00:57:41.650 --> 00:57:45.289
Did Mbenga idolize Rigo because he served with him during

1012
00:57:45.309 --> 00:57:48.769
the Klingon War? Was that another reason why he hid

1013
00:57:48.809 --> 00:57:51.530
the fact that he didn't want to fill the beans?

1014
00:57:52.510 --> 00:57:53.969
I kept thinking that was a line in the TV show.

1015
00:57:53.989 --> 00:57:56.880
I don't think so. I mean, I think if Mbenga's

1016
00:57:57.849 --> 00:58:01.050
anything he's not a guy who follows cult personality at

1017
00:58:01.150 --> 00:58:04.190
all so i i don't think that was part of

1018
00:58:04.210 --> 00:58:05.849
that yeah.

1019
00:58:06.329 --> 00:58:07.809
But i could go on and on but i just

1020
00:58:07.829 --> 00:58:09.550
thought this was like this is like you know the

1021
00:58:09.590 --> 00:58:12.389
breath of fresh air i had been really needing um

1022
00:58:12.570 --> 00:58:16.750
you know i think that uh uh i'm trying to

1023
00:58:16.769 --> 00:58:18.730
remember the name of that episode from a couple weeks

1024
00:58:18.769 --> 00:58:24.489
ago um forgive me um thank you thank you jim

1025
00:58:24.510 --> 00:58:28.329
yeah off hour These two episodes together have been, like,

1026
00:58:28.389 --> 00:58:30.710
my favorites, right? They've just been really, really well done.

1027
00:58:31.030 --> 00:58:34.949
But this one, I think, to have, you know, I

1028
00:58:34.989 --> 00:58:37.500
just think that Rieger's, like, kind of amongst the pantheon

1029
00:58:37.519 --> 00:58:39.699
of great Star Trek characters, like, for kind of, like,

1030
00:58:39.739 --> 00:58:42.019
all time. I think he's, you know, like you say,

1031
00:58:42.059 --> 00:58:45.159
like Admiral Satie or, you know, any of those other

1032
00:58:45.199 --> 00:58:48.539
just classic characters that, you know, loom large and you

1033
00:58:48.559 --> 00:58:50.280
talk about for a long time. I think he's a

1034
00:58:50.780 --> 00:58:54.019
legendary character and a wonderful performance, so I got nothing

1035
00:58:54.039 --> 00:58:59.039
but love for this episode. Solid admiring 10 for me.

1036
00:58:59.460 --> 00:59:02.989
I thought it was really well done. I hope more

1037
00:59:03.050 --> 00:59:04.929
of this. I hope this is the kind of thing

1038
00:59:05.010 --> 00:59:09.969
we get more of in season six. Season five. Whatever. Whatever.

1039
00:59:10.159 --> 00:59:15.280
the next season is. No math, please. It's not my thing, but,

1040
00:59:15.800 --> 00:59:17.440
but yeah, I have more of that. I hope this

1041
00:59:17.500 --> 00:59:19.380
is the kind of tenor and tone that we're going

1042
00:59:19.400 --> 00:59:19.679
to have.

1043
00:59:19.699 --> 00:59:20.360
I hope so too.

1044
00:59:20.469 --> 00:59:25.469
I really like that. It was really, really, really well done. Character, character, character, right?

1045
00:59:25.530 --> 00:59:28.489
I mean, it's just so much about character through, uh, and,

1046
00:59:28.650 --> 00:59:31.300
and hard choices throughout the whole episode. Wonderful writing.

1047
00:59:32.440 --> 00:59:35.800
Well, while Charles is tabulating our skull, which is the

1048
00:59:35.840 --> 00:59:38.519
fan spark, I just want to say one thing that

1049
00:59:38.800 --> 00:59:41.639
I'm glad didn't happen because I was a little disappointed

1050
00:59:41.699 --> 00:59:44.809
is when they thought they were going to kill off Asha,

1051
00:59:45.349 --> 00:59:48.809
like they did with, uh, with, um, that other guy

1052
00:59:48.829 --> 00:59:50.989
that was going to be on the podcast, Dr.

1053
00:59:51.489 --> 00:59:58.070
Um, Ensign, whatever his name was. Um, and, uh, where

1054
00:59:58.110 --> 00:59:59.949
they blew his eyes out and killed him on his

1055
00:59:59.969 --> 01:00:02.269
first mission. I'm like, oh, no, if they kill Asher,

1056
01:00:02.289 --> 01:00:05.590
let's not go down that road. But they didn't, and

1057
01:00:05.849 --> 01:00:07.889
she came back and survived.

1058
01:00:07.909 --> 01:00:10.880
So I was glad about that, because I kind of

1059
01:00:10.900 --> 01:00:16.579
like her character. So, Charles, how did the Trexperts fare

1060
01:00:16.659 --> 01:00:18.380
against our fans?

1061
01:00:20.260 --> 01:00:21.519
One more thing.

1062
01:00:21.179 --> 01:00:23.489
While we're doing the episode. I was looking a little

1063
01:00:23.510 --> 01:00:28.670
bit up on Memory Alpha on Mbenga. And during the

1064
01:00:28.769 --> 01:00:32.670
TOS years, he was in two episodes and he was

1065
01:00:32.730 --> 01:00:34.309
a general physician.

1066
01:00:35.329 --> 01:00:38.409
He was under the CMO. So he still had a

1067
01:00:40.769 --> 01:00:44.679
field command when he was on the Enterprise in TOS.

1068
01:00:45.409 --> 01:00:48.659
So it'd be interesting to see what happens.

1069
01:00:50.579 --> 01:00:55.360
But as the fans gave us a 9.4, In the

1070
01:00:55.480 --> 01:00:58.840
unusual rarities, the host gave a 9.8.

1071
01:00:58.840 --> 01:00:59.099
Wow.

1072
01:00:59.380 --> 01:01:05.519
You're back to being stronger, higher than the fans.

1073
01:01:07.179 --> 01:01:07.599
Wow.

1074
01:01:07.960 --> 01:01:11.239
That is a rarity. Okay. So there you have it, guys.

1075
01:01:11.260 --> 01:01:14.659
That's our discussion on Orders of Magnitude. I hope you

1076
01:01:14.679 --> 01:01:18.389
enjoyed it. And now it's time to move on to

1077
01:01:18.550 --> 01:01:20.929
our sci-fi birthdays.

1078
01:01:38.690 --> 01:01:40.010
It was not a plain old song.

1079
01:01:42.710 --> 01:01:45.650
All right, guys, we always start off our sci-fi birthdays

1080
01:01:45.710 --> 01:01:48.869
by sadly enough remembering those members of our sci-fi family

1081
01:01:49.170 --> 01:01:51.510
who are no longer with us. And for that, we

1082
01:01:51.570 --> 01:01:52.369
turn to Aaron.

1083
01:01:53.340 --> 01:01:55.300
Yeah, Jim, this week we're going to start in the

1084
01:01:55.400 --> 01:01:59.579
beyond realm, and we're going to say happy birthday to

1085
01:01:59.800 --> 01:02:04.949
the actress Faye Ray. She's a Canadian-American-born actress, best known

1086
01:02:05.570 --> 01:02:10.510
for starring as Anne Darrow in the 1933 film King Kong.

1087
01:02:10.550 --> 01:02:16.329
But through her 60-year career plus, she actually attained international

1088
01:02:16.369 --> 01:02:22.190
recognition in horror films. eventually becoming dubbed the first Scream Queen.

1089
01:02:22.230 --> 01:02:25.070
And you can see some of the movies that she

1090
01:02:25.110 --> 01:02:29.739
was in over the years on the screen there. So

1091
01:02:30.280 --> 01:02:36.079
what an actress, what a performance in King Kong. Happy

1092
01:02:36.119 --> 01:02:39.800
birthday to Faye Wright. Happy birthday as well to Richard

1093
01:02:39.889 --> 01:02:44.409
Bruce Hyde, the actor who played Lieutenant Kevin Reilly in

1094
01:02:44.429 --> 01:02:48.610
the original series episode, The Naked Time, and also The

1095
01:02:48.690 --> 01:02:53.619
Conscience of the King. Overall, his on-screen acting career was

1096
01:02:53.760 --> 01:02:57.659
pretty brief, encompassing a grand total of nine TV guest

1097
01:02:57.699 --> 01:03:04.789
appearances from November 1965 to December 1966. But he's one

1098
01:03:04.809 --> 01:03:08.889
of my favorite Star Trek stories. He said, following, well,

1099
01:03:09.550 --> 01:03:12.050
this is a story about him. Following a role in

1100
01:03:12.070 --> 01:03:16.179
the musical Hair in San Francisco, Hyde decided to remain

1101
01:03:16.260 --> 01:03:18.679
in the city and step away from his acting career.

1102
01:03:18.739 --> 01:03:22.199
So this would have been 66, 67. He noted, I

1103
01:03:22.260 --> 01:03:24.519
played a hippie and I decided I wanted to be

1104
01:03:24.559 --> 01:03:26.840
a hippie instead of playing one. I was going to

1105
01:03:26.880 --> 01:03:29.800
get a Volkswagen bus and a big bag of brown

1106
01:03:29.880 --> 01:03:33.079
rice and go find God. And that's what I did.

1107
01:03:35.159 --> 01:03:39.170
But wait, the story doesn't stop there. Hyde eventually earned

1108
01:03:39.250 --> 01:03:43.349
a PhD in rhetoric and communication studies at the University

1109
01:03:43.449 --> 01:03:46.829
of Southern California and became chair of the theater film

1110
01:03:46.869 --> 01:03:50.989
studies and dance department at St. Cloud State University. He

1111
01:03:51.030 --> 01:03:54.960
also worked with the personal development educational company Landmark Education.

1112
01:03:55.079 --> 01:03:57.960
So sometimes you just got to go and sow your

1113
01:03:57.980 --> 01:04:00.579
wild oats to find what you're really meant to do

1114
01:04:00.639 --> 01:04:03.019
in life. And Bruce Hyde sounds like he was able

1115
01:04:03.039 --> 01:04:04.849
to do that. And I just, I love that story

1116
01:04:04.869 --> 01:04:08.369
about him. So happy birthday to Bruce Hyde, lost back

1117
01:04:08.469 --> 01:04:14.349
in 2015. Happy birthday this week to another Beyonder here,

1118
01:04:14.489 --> 01:04:21.250
Sam Neill, or otherwise known as Sir Nigel John Dermott Neill. Yes,

1119
01:04:21.389 --> 01:04:25.199
he's a New Zealand actor. And you might be saying

1120
01:04:25.219 --> 01:04:27.579
to yourself, wait a second, he's still making movies. And

1121
01:04:27.619 --> 01:04:32.340
that's not true anymore. Unfortunately, we lost him just back

1122
01:04:32.400 --> 01:04:35.219
in July. like literally a couple of months ago. So

1123
01:04:35.340 --> 01:04:37.300
sorry if I'm breaking the news to you, but we

1124
01:04:37.340 --> 01:04:41.590
did lose him July 13th, 2026. He came to International

1125
01:04:41.630 --> 01:04:46.550
Promise as Dr. Alan Grant in the Jurassic Park movie

1126
01:04:46.590 --> 01:04:49.570
from 1993. Of course, reprising that role later in Jurassic

1127
01:04:49.590 --> 01:04:51.070
Park 3 in 2001 and another one in 2022. He

1128
01:04:51.510 --> 01:04:59.059
portrayed Dr. William Weir in Event Horizon from 1997. And

1129
01:04:59.099 --> 01:05:03.519
on television, he portrayed Merlin in the miniseries Merlin from

1130
01:05:03.519 --> 01:05:08.219
1998 and Merlin's Apprentice from 2006. As I said, unfortunately,

1131
01:05:08.239 --> 01:05:10.449
we lost him just this past January to a rare

1132
01:05:10.530 --> 01:05:13.449
type of blood cancer. He did live with that diagnosis

1133
01:05:14.090 --> 01:05:18.230
for four years. So Sam Neill, we miss you, buddy.

1134
01:05:19.130 --> 01:05:22.010
Sorry that you left us this year and happy birthday

1135
01:05:22.050 --> 01:05:24.429
to you. We will always remember all your great roles.

1136
01:05:25.699 --> 01:05:28.199
And last but not least, I'd like to say happy

1137
01:05:28.219 --> 01:05:32.199
birthday to Sir Ian Holm. Yes, whose last name is

1138
01:05:32.260 --> 01:05:36.679
actually Cuthbert. Sir Ian Holm Cuthbert. But he goes, of course,

1139
01:05:36.719 --> 01:05:38.840
by Ian Holm or went by Ian Holm. He's the

1140
01:05:38.920 --> 01:05:42.469
English actor best known for his role, his roles as

1141
01:05:42.750 --> 01:05:46.889
Ash in 1979's film Alien, which I literally just saw

1142
01:05:46.949 --> 01:05:49.969
at the Hollywood the other night. As Vito Cornelius in

1143
01:05:50.010 --> 01:05:53.699
the 1997 science fiction action film The Fifth Element. And

1144
01:05:53.780 --> 01:05:57.030
as Bilbo Baggins in the trilogies Lord of the Ring

1145
01:05:57.070 --> 01:06:03.050
movies and The Hobbit, Battle of Five Armies being his

1146
01:06:03.210 --> 01:06:07.849
actual final film role. So what an actor. There are

1147
01:06:07.909 --> 01:06:09.510
so many other things that I would love to talk

1148
01:06:09.550 --> 01:06:11.070
about with Ian Holm, but I want to keep the

1149
01:06:11.110 --> 01:06:12.800
train moving a little bit. So let's just say that

1150
01:06:12.840 --> 01:06:16.579
we really appreciate his work as well. What an actor.

1151
01:06:17.039 --> 01:06:20.000
Sir Ian Holm would have had a birthday this week.

1152
01:06:20.039 --> 01:06:22.869
Happy birthday to him. And that does it for our

1153
01:06:22.929 --> 01:06:26.230
remembrances this week. So we are now going to go

1154
01:06:26.289 --> 01:06:27.949
and celebrate birthdays of the living.

1155
01:06:28.170 --> 01:06:28.690
Right, Charles?

1156
01:06:29.849 --> 01:06:30.730
Thank you, Eric.

1157
01:06:31.750 --> 01:06:36.880
Let's start off with Gia Sanhu, Canadian actress who played

1158
01:06:36.920 --> 01:06:39.679
T'Pring in Star Trek Strange New Worlds.

1159
01:06:40.380 --> 01:06:41.360
She reprised her.

1160
01:06:41.260 --> 01:06:46.469
Role in the VST Holiday Party. She graduated from the

1161
01:06:46.530 --> 01:06:53.710
National Theatre School of Canada. Happy birthday to Mary Crosby,

1162
01:06:54.650 --> 01:07:01.880
actress who played Tommy Lang in DS9' s second season episode,

1163
01:07:01.929 --> 01:07:06.050
Profit and Loss. She is the daughter of singer Bing

1164
01:07:06.110 --> 01:07:08.539
Crosby and actress Catherine Crosby.

1165
01:07:08.559 --> 01:07:13.579
And it's the aunt of TNG actress Denise Crosby. And

1166
01:07:13.880 --> 01:07:15.179
she shot JR.

1167
01:07:17.239 --> 01:07:22.440
So I guess she made her definitely well-known appearance in Dallas.

1168
01:07:25.059 --> 01:07:30.579
Happy birthday, Callum. Keith Rene is an actress who played

1169
01:07:30.679 --> 01:07:33.500
Rainer in the fifth season of Discovery.

1170
01:07:33.519 --> 01:07:37.119
Oh, love him as the Admiral.

1171
01:07:37.139 --> 01:07:43.460
I've occasionally been quoted by one of my friends saying

1172
01:07:43.500 --> 01:07:45.860
that I look a lot like the Admiral.

1173
01:07:47.539 --> 01:07:55.139
So happy birthday, Callum. Happy birthday, Miku Martiniu.

1174
01:07:55.159 --> 01:07:59.440
She's an actress who played the young Phillip of Georgia

1175
01:07:59.760 --> 01:08:07.989
in Section 31. Happy birthday to Anita Richards, the American

1176
01:08:08.110 --> 01:08:11.530
film and television actress, artist, and producer.

1177
01:08:12.030 --> 01:08:19.170
She was born in September 11, 1979 in Healdsburg, Georgia. California.

1178
01:08:19.609 --> 01:08:25.380
Her role as Lex Murphy in Steven Spielberg's blockbuster Jurassic

1179
01:08:25.409 --> 01:08:30.699
Park catapulted Ariana into international celebrity as she appeared as

1180
01:08:30.779 --> 01:08:35.720
Mindy Sterngood in the first Tremors. Film and replies to

1181
01:08:35.739 --> 01:08:39.500
her role in the second sequel of Tremors, Tremors 3,

1182
01:08:39.500 --> 01:08:40.640
Back to Perfection.

1183
01:08:43.510 --> 01:08:50.239
Happy birthday, Roxanne Dawson. Best known for her portrayal as

1184
01:08:50.300 --> 01:08:57.970
Lieutenant Belaina Torres in Voyager. She also directed two episodes

1185
01:08:58.010 --> 01:09:03.520
of Voyager and 10 episodes of Enterprise. And last on

1186
01:09:03.560 --> 01:09:09.569
my list, happy birthday to Blue De Barrio, American actor

1187
01:09:09.609 --> 01:09:12.609
who appeared in Star Trek Discovery season three and four,

1188
01:09:13.149 --> 01:09:20.520
portraying Adiria Tall. Dubrow is a non-binary and uses the

1189
01:09:21.020 --> 01:09:22.859
pronouns they and them.

1190
01:09:22.880 --> 01:09:27.800
It was fun to see you on stage.

1191
01:09:29.460 --> 01:09:31.859
Paul, I'm going to pass the candle over to you

1192
01:09:32.619 --> 01:09:34.119
as I burn it down. Who else do you have

1193
01:09:34.189 --> 01:09:34.859
on your list?

1194
01:09:37.529 --> 01:09:40.170
Thank you, Charles. Well, let's get started here and see

1195
01:09:40.210 --> 01:09:43.250
who we've got. First of all, let's say happy birthday

1196
01:09:43.350 --> 01:09:49.359
to Tom Hardy. English actor who made his screen debut

1197
01:09:49.439 --> 01:09:53.840
in Ridley Scott's Black Hawk Down way back in 2001

1198
01:09:53.840 --> 01:09:58.529
and has been on an amazing trajectory ever, ever since.

1199
01:09:59.250 --> 01:10:01.010
Of course, we have to mention that he had a

1200
01:10:01.170 --> 01:10:04.430
role in Star Trek back in 2002 and Star Trek

1201
01:10:04.630 --> 01:10:09.779
Nemesis in that movie. And he later grew to tremendous

1202
01:10:09.840 --> 01:10:14.020
prominence in In the Mad Max Fury Road picture from

1203
01:10:14.880 --> 01:10:18.279
George Miller, which is amazing. Fury Road is an astonishing movie,

1204
01:10:18.800 --> 01:10:22.979
absolute action cinema at the highest level. He got a

1205
01:10:23.039 --> 01:10:27.159
nomination for Academy Award Best Supporting Actor for his performance

1206
01:10:27.359 --> 01:10:30.890
as John Fitzgerald in The Revenant. Has everyone seen The Revenant?

1207
01:10:31.010 --> 01:10:34.600
If not, you really, really should. The Revenant and Fury

1208
01:10:34.659 --> 01:10:37.560
Road are two of the best pictures ever. If you're

1209
01:10:37.579 --> 01:10:40.609
looking to test out a good 4K system and see

1210
01:10:40.630 --> 01:10:43.189
what 4K can do, those are movies you should start

1211
01:10:43.229 --> 01:10:45.270
with and make sure are in your collection. They are

1212
01:10:45.510 --> 01:10:50.229
pure cinema and absolutely amazing. He often collaborates with Christopher Nolan.

1213
01:10:50.890 --> 01:10:57.800
He was in both Inception and Dunkirk for Nolan. And

1214
01:10:57.840 --> 01:11:02.609
then he did an amazing body transformation movie. to play

1215
01:11:02.689 --> 01:11:06.640
the role of Bane in his Dark Knight Rises in 2012.

1216
01:11:06.640 --> 01:11:09.659
I mean, he's just crazy. Did this amazing thing with

1217
01:11:09.699 --> 01:11:13.010
the mask. Very challenging voice that he chose to use.

1218
01:11:13.039 --> 01:11:16.710
You would just never know it's either him. Amazing. He's

1219
01:11:16.729 --> 01:11:19.430
also done those Venom movies, which I will just briefly

1220
01:11:19.489 --> 01:11:23.189
glance over there rather than focus on that. If you

1221
01:11:23.229 --> 01:11:25.770
really want to see this guy doing his thing, okay,

1222
01:11:26.550 --> 01:11:30.100
Go back to early in his career. There is a

1223
01:11:30.149 --> 01:11:31.979
picture I urge you to seek out. If you want

1224
01:11:31.989 --> 01:11:34.460
to see what this guy can do as an actor,

1225
01:11:34.859 --> 01:11:38.439
you want to see a movie called Bronson. Bronson came

1226
01:11:38.560 --> 01:11:41.560
out in, I think it was 2008 or something like that,

1227
01:11:41.659 --> 01:11:43.659
earlier than some of the stuff we talked about. It

1228
01:11:43.680 --> 01:11:45.579
was an indie picture where he plays a guy who

1229
01:11:45.619 --> 01:11:52.119
was incarcerated for multiple life sentences. It is crazy. He

1230
01:11:52.159 --> 01:11:55.970
was in solitary confinement for, I think, 30 years or something.

1231
01:11:55.989 --> 01:11:59.489
I think it's Kind of loosely based on a true story,

1232
01:11:59.550 --> 01:12:04.449
but the performance is nuts. It's very theatrical, and if

1233
01:12:04.470 --> 01:12:07.130
you've never seen it, check it out. If you've only

1234
01:12:07.170 --> 01:12:10.750
seen the Venom movies, seeing this guy as a real

1235
01:12:10.789 --> 01:12:14.590
performer is just unbelievable. But yeah, go back and look

1236
01:12:14.630 --> 01:12:19.220
at Bronson. It's amazing. Happy birthday also to Barbara Bain,

1237
01:12:19.859 --> 01:12:24.329
actress from Chicago, Illinois. who is best known for playing

1238
01:12:24.350 --> 01:12:27.189
a couple of different roles that get science fiction fans

1239
01:12:27.329 --> 01:12:31.850
all excited. Simon Carter, way back in the early seasons

1240
01:12:31.909 --> 01:12:35.689
of Mission Impossible. And of course, many of us will

1241
01:12:35.729 --> 01:12:39.539
always think of Robert Payne as Dr. Helena Russell on

1242
01:12:39.600 --> 01:12:45.199
the cult British science fiction program from Gerry Anderson, Space 1999,

1243
01:12:45.199 --> 01:12:49.000
which is great. So absolutely very cool. Very from that

1244
01:12:49.060 --> 01:12:54.239
kind of... Icy, late 50s, 60s bombshell vibe that she

1245
01:12:54.279 --> 01:12:59.329
always had. But very cool, amazing performer. Really interesting. Was

1246
01:12:59.350 --> 01:13:01.510
married to Martin Landau for a while. They played opposite

1247
01:13:01.550 --> 01:13:03.909
each other quite a bit. A lot of roles in

1248
01:13:03.930 --> 01:13:08.789
the 60s. But Space 1999, sorry, Barbara, you're always going

1249
01:13:08.810 --> 01:13:11.189
to be there. You're never going to escape Moonbase Alpha.

1250
01:13:11.880 --> 01:13:14.319
It's just the best. You know what's.

1251
01:13:14.199 --> 01:13:16.520
Great about that, Paul? What?

1252
01:13:17.199 --> 01:13:21.779
Well, her birthday is September 13th. Why is that date

1253
01:13:21.840 --> 01:13:24.399
relevant to space 1999?

1254
01:13:24.399 --> 01:13:27.170
Because, Uncle Jim, that's the day that the moon was

1255
01:13:27.329 --> 01:13:32.869
blasted out of Earth orbit on September 13th, 1999, this episode, right?

1256
01:13:32.970 --> 01:13:36.689
That's right. Her birth started the whole thing.

1257
01:13:37.930 --> 01:13:40.560
So what you're saying is if you're looking for someone

1258
01:13:40.579 --> 01:13:43.500
to really blame for the moon being blasted out of

1259
01:13:43.560 --> 01:13:46.180
Earth orbit, don't point your finger at Commissioner Simmons. Point

1260
01:13:46.220 --> 01:13:47.880
it at Barbara Vane, right?

1261
01:13:48.420 --> 01:13:49.939
Yes, exactly.

1262
01:13:51.029 --> 01:13:53.090
So there you go. But happy birthday. She's still out

1263
01:13:53.109 --> 01:13:55.369
there doing the convention circuit, right? I still see her

1264
01:13:55.390 --> 01:13:58.029
every now and then in some of the Jerry Anderson

1265
01:13:58.069 --> 01:14:01.520
pages on frequenting, where you still see her at these things,

1266
01:14:01.619 --> 01:14:04.939
signing away, doing her thing. So it's great. Happy birthday

1267
01:14:04.960 --> 01:14:08.840
to Susan Gibney from California, who, of course, played Dr.

1268
01:14:08.920 --> 01:14:12.439
Leah Brahms in Next Generation's third and fourth season episode,

1269
01:14:12.460 --> 01:14:17.000
Booby Trap and Galaxy's Child, where she's kind of the.

1270
01:14:18.619 --> 01:14:22.300
Can I say it? Inspirational crush for Geordi LaForge? I

1271
01:14:22.319 --> 01:14:23.960
think that might be sort of the way I would

1272
01:14:24.000 --> 01:14:30.229
describe Susan Gibney. And unwilling Holodeck participants, perhaps we should

1273
01:14:30.430 --> 01:14:35.130
also say that. But yeah, and she also appeared as

1274
01:14:35.189 --> 01:14:38.729
Benteen in Deep Space Nine fourth season episodes Homefront and

1275
01:14:38.770 --> 01:14:42.850
Paradise Lost, and reprised her role as Leia Brahms in

1276
01:14:42.890 --> 01:14:46.319
Lower Decks third season episode Mining the Mind's Minds. Try

1277
01:14:46.340 --> 01:14:48.310
to say that after a few beers, if you will.

1278
01:14:49.390 --> 01:14:51.989
And let's talk about legends, living legends, if we can,

1279
01:14:52.029 --> 01:14:54.890
because we've got a big one that just recently came

1280
01:14:54.930 --> 01:14:58.270
down the pipe here. The great Walter Koenig, who is

1281
01:14:58.390 --> 01:15:02.720
now 90, if you can believe it. That's wild. Actor

1282
01:15:02.770 --> 01:15:05.479
and writer best known for playing Pavel Chekhov on the

1283
01:15:05.520 --> 01:15:10.340
original series and the first seven Star Trek films. Wow.

1284
01:15:10.880 --> 01:15:13.739
He was the only original cast member not to lend

1285
01:15:13.779 --> 01:15:17.979
his voice to the animated series due to unfortunate budgetary reasons,

1286
01:15:18.960 --> 01:15:21.310
though he still contributed to the series by writing the

1287
01:15:21.359 --> 01:15:24.949
episode The Infinite Vulcan, which is very cool. Besides his

1288
01:15:24.970 --> 01:15:27.350
work on Star Trek, he's also super well known for

1289
01:15:27.430 --> 01:15:32.270
playing his role as villainous psyops cop Alfred Bester, a

1290
01:15:32.310 --> 01:15:35.829
character named after a very famous science fiction writer, on

1291
01:15:35.869 --> 01:15:40.319
Babylon 5, a terrific series that... pretty sure someone's working

1292
01:15:40.380 --> 01:15:43.100
on getting that restored for HD, I think so, or

1293
01:15:43.159 --> 01:15:46.439
maybe even needing some effects redone. Babylon 5 is really cool.

1294
01:15:46.619 --> 01:15:49.020
I think it doesn't get the credit it deserves. A

1295
01:15:49.039 --> 01:15:53.140
whole world-building phenomena going on there. He starred in a

1296
01:15:53.300 --> 01:15:58.670
picture called Moontrap, also, where he played Colonel Jason Grant,

1297
01:15:58.729 --> 01:16:02.689
an astronaut who takes on a sentient machine on the moon,

1298
01:16:02.770 --> 01:16:04.350
which is really cool. I haven't seen Moontrap in a

1299
01:16:04.369 --> 01:16:06.010
long time. Kind of makes me want to go and

1300
01:16:06.050 --> 01:16:08.819
watch that again. So, really cool You know, there's a

1301
01:16:08.859 --> 01:16:12.300
lot of cool movies we forget about, and then when

1302
01:16:12.340 --> 01:16:14.619
we think about them again after an amount of time

1303
01:16:14.659 --> 01:16:18.439
has passed, suddenly they become very rosy memories, and we

1304
01:16:18.479 --> 01:16:21.300
want to go revisit them again. Is that a good

1305
01:16:21.340 --> 01:16:22.699
enough segue for you, Uncle Jim?

1306
01:16:23.699 --> 01:16:27.039
I think that's absolutely perfect. Thank you so much, Paul.

1307
01:16:27.060 --> 01:16:29.119
I think I'm going to have to get together with

1308
01:16:29.159 --> 01:16:31.739
David and come up with some type of movie of

1309
01:16:31.779 --> 01:16:32.939
the week intro.

1310
01:16:33.699 --> 01:16:35.819
We'll work on that for next time. But anyways.

1311
01:16:38.020 --> 01:16:40.460
Let's talk about some movies that were released this week

1312
01:16:40.600 --> 01:16:42.279
and then Uncle Jeff's movie pick.

1313
01:16:42.119 --> 01:16:42.500
Of the week.

1314
01:16:42.880 --> 01:16:45.500
We're going to start off first with Freddy's Dead, The

1315
01:16:45.779 --> 01:16:50.949
Final Nightmare. It was released on September 13, 1991. It's

1316
01:16:50.989 --> 01:16:54.390
an American 3D slasher film and the sixth installment in

1317
01:16:54.409 --> 01:16:57.590
the Nightmare on Elm Street franchise. And it was promoted

1318
01:16:57.689 --> 01:17:01.180
as the final movie, prompting Los Angeles to declare it

1319
01:17:01.260 --> 01:17:04.939
the official Freddy Krueger Day. I got a chance to

1320
01:17:04.979 --> 01:17:09.050
see this in 3D with the Redding family. blue glasses,

1321
01:17:09.130 --> 01:17:11.829
and it was freaky. Pretty freaky, but I'll let you

1322
01:17:11.850 --> 01:17:14.689
guys on a secret. It wasn't the final Friday. He

1323
01:17:14.729 --> 01:17:19.510
came back several more times after that. So, Freddie's dead

1324
01:17:19.890 --> 01:17:23.859
September 13, 1991. Next on the list, we're going to

1325
01:17:23.899 --> 01:17:28.899
go way, way, way back to The Little Shop of Horrors.

1326
01:17:28.939 --> 01:17:34.079
This is the original now. Released on September 14, 1960.

1327
01:17:34.079 --> 01:17:37.699
An American black comedy horror film directed by Roger Corman.

1328
01:17:37.739 --> 01:17:41.470
There's that name again. Written by Charles B. Griffith. The

1329
01:17:41.489 --> 01:17:45.140
film is a farce about an inadequate florist.

1330
01:17:44.800 --> 01:17:48.680
Assistant who cultivates a plant that feeds on human flesh

1331
01:17:48.939 --> 01:17:54.199
and blood. The film stars Jonathan Hayes, Jackie Josephs, Mel Wells,

1332
01:17:54.300 --> 01:17:58.489
Dick Miller, and Jack Nicholson as a small but memorable

1333
01:17:58.529 --> 01:18:02.970
role as Masonic dentist patient Wilbur Fork.

1334
01:18:03.010 --> 01:18:05.510
And there he is right there on the screen, the

1335
01:18:05.609 --> 01:18:08.270
original Little Shop of Horrors.

1336
01:18:09.020 --> 01:18:11.460
Next on our list, we're going to go even further

1337
01:18:11.539 --> 01:18:17.140
back in sci-fi history to The Day the Earth Stood Still.

1338
01:18:17.960 --> 01:18:23.810
It was released on September 15, 1951, directed by Robert Wise.

1339
01:18:23.949 --> 01:18:27.449
You guys should recognize that name, right? Star Trek, the

1340
01:18:27.510 --> 01:18:32.579
motion picture. This legendary black and white classic is one

1341
01:18:32.600 --> 01:18:36.319
of the most culturally significant science fiction films ever made.

1342
01:18:36.850 --> 01:18:40.270
It follows a humanoid alien visitor named Klaatu and his

1343
01:18:40.329 --> 01:18:45.649
powerful robot counterpart Gorg, who land a flying saucer in Washington, D.C.

1344
01:18:46.010 --> 01:18:49.850
to deliver the ultimate humanity message regarding atomicity.

1345
01:18:50.539 --> 01:18:51.439
Warfare.

1346
01:18:51.880 --> 01:18:55.739
And there's the poster, the original 1951 poster right there

1347
01:18:56.399 --> 01:18:57.300
on your screen.

1348
01:18:58.420 --> 01:19:02.039
And last on our movies released this week, we have

1349
01:19:02.579 --> 01:19:10.449
Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow, released on September 15, 2004. Finally, film,

1350
01:19:10.810 --> 01:19:14.430
shot almost entirely on digital black glass. It follows the

1351
01:19:14.449 --> 01:19:15.350
heroic pilot.

1352
01:19:15.430 --> 01:19:19.149
Jed Law, and a reporter, Gwyneth Paltrow, as they travel

1353
01:19:19.170 --> 01:19:22.369
the globe to stop a mad scientist and his army

1354
01:19:22.430 --> 01:19:27.539
of giants. And of all those movies, obviously, the movie

1355
01:19:27.560 --> 01:19:29.920
that I think you definitely should see if you're a

1356
01:19:29.979 --> 01:19:31.260
sci-fi fan.

1357
01:19:32.479 --> 01:19:35.920
I have to admit, I haven't watched this particular version

1358
01:19:35.960 --> 01:19:43.020
of the movie myself. It is remade, I believe, Three times, Paul?

1359
01:19:43.060 --> 01:19:46.079
The version that I saw of this movie has Keanu

1360
01:19:46.119 --> 01:19:49.399
Reeves in it, but roll the tape, David.

1361
01:19:50.939 --> 01:19:51.439
Rolling.

1362
01:20:03.470 --> 01:20:06.640
This is Elmer Davis again. We still don't know what

1363
01:20:06.680 --> 01:20:09.260
it is or where it comes from, but there's something there.

1364
01:20:10.140 --> 01:20:12.979
It's been tracked around the Earth by radar, traveling at

1365
01:20:13.020 --> 01:20:16.510
a rate of 4,000 miles an hour. This is not

1366
01:20:16.609 --> 01:20:18.130
another flying saucer scare.

1367
01:20:53.920 --> 01:20:57.579
Pa'atu, the weird earth visitor in the 20th century Fox film,

1368
01:20:57.640 --> 01:21:00.649
The Day the Earth Stands Still, learns a great earth custom.

1369
01:21:01.270 --> 01:21:04.149
He receives a certificate of merit from the Science Fiction

1370
01:21:04.189 --> 01:21:05.649
Convention at New Orleans.

1371
01:21:06.350 --> 01:21:07.770
It's presented by Chairman.

1372
01:21:07.449 --> 01:21:10.229
Moore for the faithfulness of the film to the best

1373
01:21:10.270 --> 01:21:11.720
science fiction traditions.

1374
01:21:16.890 --> 01:21:18.130
So there you have it, guys.

1375
01:21:18.369 --> 01:21:22.960
Uncle Jim's Movie Pick of the Week. The original Day

1376
01:21:23.000 --> 01:21:25.439
the Earth Stood Still in black and white. I have

1377
01:21:25.479 --> 01:21:28.300
not seen that version, but I'm going to have to

1378
01:21:28.319 --> 01:21:28.979
track it down.

1379
01:21:29.260 --> 01:21:32.279
It's a masterpiece, man. You will not be sorry. It

1380
01:21:32.510 --> 01:21:33.550
is amazing.

1381
01:21:33.890 --> 01:21:36.250
It's better than the Keanu Reeves version.

1382
01:21:36.949 --> 01:21:40.770
I love Keanu, but I don't actually acknowledge that version

1383
01:21:40.789 --> 01:21:49.350
at all. No, no, no. You don't want New Coke,

1384
01:21:49.409 --> 01:21:53.210
Uncle Jim. You want the classic, right? And it's amazing.

1385
01:21:53.430 --> 01:21:58.409
I just can't even say enough good stuff about it.

1386
01:21:58.409 --> 01:22:00.550
You'll never forget it. It's remarkable.

1387
01:22:01.489 --> 01:22:03.409
I'm going to have to check that out. So I

1388
01:22:03.430 --> 01:22:05.789
haven't seen it, guys, but please check it out yourselves.

1389
01:22:06.390 --> 01:22:11.239
All right, we do have one, one news story for

1390
01:22:11.319 --> 01:22:38.399
us tonight. Okay, usually we start off with Shatner says, what?

1391
01:22:38.500 --> 01:22:40.720
But we don't have a Shatner says what, but we

1392
01:22:40.739 --> 01:22:43.390
do have a story that's relevant for the 60th anniversary

1393
01:22:43.489 --> 01:22:44.229
of Star Trek.

1394
01:22:44.829 --> 01:22:46.310
Eric, take it away.

1395
01:22:46.329 --> 01:22:50.010
Yeah, this is pretty cool. Star Trek fans successfully set

1396
01:22:50.109 --> 01:22:53.609
new Guinness World Record at London Museum. A total of

1397
01:22:53.609 --> 01:22:58.279
934 fans gathered at London's Science Museum on Star Trek

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Day to mark the seminal show's 60th anniversary. They were

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there not only to celebrate the anniversary, but to attempt

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to set a new Guinness World Record for the largest

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simultaneous Vulcan salute. Vulcan salute is the gesture made famous

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by Leonard Nimoy's character Spock, who first appeared in the

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1967 episode of the TV series titled Amok Time, and

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is usually accompanied by the phrase, live long and prosper.

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Those taking part on Tuesday were required to maintain the

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iconic hand gesture and for one minute to successfully secure

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the title. Guinness World Records educator Paulina Sapinska has verified

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the attempt and handed the official certificate to the Science

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Museum's Commercial Operations Director Ben Leroux. Science Museum Head of

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Collections and Principal Curator Dr. Glenn Morgan said that they

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had been, quote, really excited at the idea of breaking

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a world record. It's the 60th anniversary of Star Trek,

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and we wanted something people would really remember and would

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really mark this event as something special. And what's more

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special than breaking a world record, he said. Also participating

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was actor Martin Quinn, who plays Chief Engineer Montgomery Scotty

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Scott in Star Trek Strange New Worlds. He said, I'm

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going to hang my Guinness record. No, sorry, I can't

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say it like that. I'm going to hang my Guinness

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World Record certificate in my brother's room to really rub

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it in. Morgan previously said about this year's 60th anniversary celebrations.

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After a popular Star Trek.

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After a popular Star Trek... I don't know what that means.

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This year, we're delighted to invite fans back for another

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evening exploring the ideas, imagination, and real-world science behind the

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franchise and a final opportunity to experience the Star Trek

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Warped Trail.

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Okay.

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The free Star Trek Warp Trail includes props and uniforms

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from the shows and films and explores the lasting connection

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between the franchise's visionary storytelling and real-world scientific innovation. Sounds

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pretty cool.

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If I was there, I would go. And that, my friends,

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wraps up another awesomely exciting episode of Correct Talking and Beyond.

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We missed V this week, but she'll be back next week,

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but we won't have Paul. Paul's going to be gone

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for the next two weeks, so we're going to have

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to try to muddle our way through without Paul. But

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we did have the opportunity to talk to Brian bulk-wise

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before this show, so you guys can check that one out.

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And next week we'll be talking about Once Upon a La'an.

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I think that's the name of the episode.

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Once La'an a Time.

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That's it.

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Once La'an a Time, which is a sequel to an

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episode that I tweeted from the first season, Kingdom of Oisium.

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So hopefully the episode is better.

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Than that one.

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I don't know.

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I'll let you know next week. I'm your most excellent host,

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Uncle Jim.

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And I want to take this opportunity to say thank

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you to Eric for hanging out and talking with us tonight.

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Thank you so much, Eric.

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You bet.

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Thanks very much.

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And thank you so much, David, for hanging out and

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talking with us and putting together all these awesome videos

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and the video of Brian that he didn't get to see.

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Yeah, I was hoping you would see it, but oh well.

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It's been a lot of fun making it, so good times.

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And we enjoyed seeing it. Thank you.

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And thank you so much to Paul for hanging out

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and talking with us and for talking to Brian for us.

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Yeah, I think Once Upon a Lawn is the adult

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film version, right? Maybe Once Upon a Lawn. Yeah, I

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think that might be. Maybe we're not supposed to see that.

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But who knows? In an age where we're going to

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get a Sabrosa figure, anything is possible. So doors have

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been blown open wide. Friends, I will miss you for

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two weeks, but I'll have lots of stories when I

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come back. So have a lot of fun. And I'll

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be curious to see how the finale tracks with everyone.

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Peace out.

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Maybe, of course, last but not least, we want to

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say thank you so much to Charles for hanging out

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and talking with us. Thank you, Charles.

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Thank you. It's always fun. Except when we get into

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that Subrosa stuff a little bit. That gets a little,

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a little adult-ish.

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Well, wait. Wait till we get the seven-inch action figure

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with the accessories. We'll see.

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All seven inches, Charles. All seven inches.

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All seven inches. I'm your host, Uncle Jim, saying everybody

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please stay safe and be good to each other. Hailing

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frequencies are closed. Good night, everybody. Good night.

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Live long and prosper.

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Number one.

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You're the captain.

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Captain.

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Ready for warp, sir.

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Mark, hold me.

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Thank you. Thank you.