July 20, 2025

Episode 646 - Subspace Convention & SNW season 2 recap

Episode 646 - Subspace Convention & SNW season 2 recap
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Star Trek Strange New WorldsSpecial Guests

Join Uncle jim and his Treksperts as they delve into the unique world of Subspace Star Trek Conventions with special guest Susan Lange and Chase Masterson. Discover how these intimate gatherings celebrate fans as stars and create a family-like atmosphere for the actors. Susan shares her vision of fostering genuine connections and memorable experiences, from interactive sessions to themed meals and Klingon karaoke. Join us as we explore the heartwarming stories and community spirit that make these conventions a standout experience for Trekkies everywhere.Then we have an exciting recap of "Star Trek: Strange New Worlds" Season 2! Dive into the thrilling adventures of Captain Pike and his crew as they navigate new challenges, face formidable foes like the Gorn, and explore the depths of their own emotions in a groundbreaking musical episode. From time-travel escapades to courtroom dramas, this season offers a rich tapestry of storytelling that blends humor, heart, and high-stakes action. Don't miss our in-depth discussion and fan shout-outs as we celebrate the return of fresh Star Trek to our screens! HIT IT

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Well, good evening, Treky's and trek Is around the globe.

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Welcome to Trek Talk and then beyond. It is Thursday,

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July seventeenth, twenty twenty five. Welcome to episode six hundred

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and forty six. Hard to believe. We have a great

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show planning for you guys tonight. But before we go

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too far, I'd like to introduce to you my awesome

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Trek Sports and we're going to start out in Virginia

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with v How you doing tonight, d doing great?

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There we go.

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I always have to do the sarcastic Vulcan salute, the.

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Sarcastic Vulcan salute and from our very own miracle work

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or David, he's out in Portland. How you doing tonight?

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David?

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Here, mister, you're gonna get hit right in ahead with

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that rock if you're not careful. I trust him, I

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trust him, You trust him. And also for Portland, we

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have our very own Paul the toy Guy. How you

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doing tonight?

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Paul?

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Hey, I'm doing okay? Man doing all right? Interesting week

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and today Harold's the return of fresh brand, spanking new

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star Trek to our TV star Trek Cool. It's been

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a while.

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It's been a while, what almost two years? Right?

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Oh, We've had other shows, right, We've had, you know,

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lesser shows to chat about, but this is, you know,

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this is the big kahuna right right now, so this

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is exciting.

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Absolutely, And also from Portland. I don't know if you

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see a little pattern here, but also from Portland we

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have Eric, how you doing tonight?

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Eric doing pretty good? Man? Looking forward to recapping last

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season in preparation for watching that first episode of Strange

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New Worlds tonight when we're done.

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Absolutely, and not from Portland, but from Las Vegas, we

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have our very own Charles how you doing tonight? Charles?

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I'm doing good. Haven't been invited to any Vulcan engagement

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celebrate ardget. I'm disappointed.

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You never know one could be right around the corner

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and joining us tonight on the podcast, back for her

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second appearance. Last time she was here, we were audio

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only on blog talk Radio, but now we're on our

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new format. We have Susan Lang from sub Space Star

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Trek Convengs. Welcome to the show, Susan.

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Thank you very much for having me on again. I'm

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happy to be here.

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It's we're gonna have a good time. Hey, you guys

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can find all of our shows over at trek talkin

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can support us by becoming a patron over there. Pop

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We really would appreciate that. Now you can also find

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us on YouTube at talking obviously and on tonight's show.

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As Paul said, it's Star Trek Night. We waited almost

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two years, but it's here.

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Yay.

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But tonight we're going to be recapping season two of

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Strange New Worlds. That's right, We're gonna it's been such

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a long time that I thought, we really need to

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go back and revisit some of these episodes. It's been

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a long long time, so we're gonna do that. We

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also have our fans shout outs where we go around

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and we thank fans just like you for listening to

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the show. We have our Star Trek polls as well.

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Did Pike make the right choice boy versus the Gorn

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and singing Klingons? What's that all about? You'll have to

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listen to our polls to find out. And what Star

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Trek actor do you share a birthday with? Find out

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on our Star Trek birthdays and what's going on around

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the Star Trek universe. We have a Shatner say is what?

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And a Star Trek tos reboot Interesting. Interesting. But before

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we do that, though, we're going to talk to Susan

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about Subspace conventions. So I know you were on last

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year and that was your freshman convention, So why don't

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you tell why don't you tell everybody a little bit

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last year's experience, which was we are markedly a smaller convention,

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very small, but everybody that came was passionate. They really

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liked it, and that's why we're having a second convention

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because that first one was a tech Well if you're.

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technical difficulty. See that those gremlins are back again.

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This is a Susan's employing a venerable suspense building technique.

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Right, Oh my gosh.

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All right, hey guys, are you.

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So much for having me here. I'm on my way

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somewhere and I only found out about this today, but

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I am so happy to be with you guys. And

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I just have a few minutes now, but I could

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join back in a little bit later, or we can

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online here. We lost her audio.

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a screenshot so I can tell everybody.

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How's everything here with you guys?

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Well, we're doing We're doing really really good. We talked

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to Susan about Subspace con last year when she did

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her first one, and she reached out to me and

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wanted to know if she could come on the show

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to promote her second one. And I said absolutely, And

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so we're going to do that tonight. We have a

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slide show with some pictures from last year's convention that

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we're going to show a little bit and hopefully Susan

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be able to join us. So did you attend last

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year's convention, Chase?

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I actually just heard about Subspace this year. But I

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love the Are we on now?

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so much respect for Susan having created this really wonderful,

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innovative convention where the fans are the stars, And the

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more she tells me about it, the more excited I am,

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because it really just gives so much attention and focus

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and credence to who the fans are, and you know

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the types of things that they want to do over

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the weekend, and puts the spotlight on them. And really,

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you know, I say this all the time, you guys

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are the reason this show exists. I mean, from the sixties,

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have always been that way that the fans have propelled

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this story, these messages through and we all know that

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you guys are the reasons we have jobs. So I

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want to celebrate who you guys are every chance I get.

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And I'm really excited for this opportunity.

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Susan, are you fixed yet? Nope, she's still working on it.

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I know Susan is going to give her information via

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interpretive dance that's assess expressiveness.

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she told us a little bit about it. There's a

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nice video from Doug Jones on the website too, which

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you guys should definitely go and check out if you

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get a chance to.

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I've seen that.

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But of course, Doug Jones hung the Moon and anything

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he does is like the best thing ever, so I'll

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check that out.

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He's definitely a great guy. And I think what makes

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Susan's convention unique is that it's not just actors on

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stage with microphones, right, Susan, you cannot and okay, yeah,

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there we go. It's not your typical convention with actors

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on stage and fans in the audience asking questions. Is

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more of an interactive experience.

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I mean, you know, hanging out talking and getting to

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know each other and just being there to I don't know,

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to celebrate these messages and to make friends and to

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celebrate old friendships. It's my favorite kind of convention, these

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small events where it's not a corporate thing where they

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rush you through the line, where we really get to

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know each other.

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I think that's what's lacking from a lot of conventions

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these days. There's so many people there, it's so crowded.

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You spend a lot of time waiting online. But Susan's

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trying a different approach and I respect that.

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goes so fast in this world, and there's such a

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feeling of overwhelm. Really, the potential for overwhelm is huge

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because social media and you know, there's a twenty four

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hour news cycle.

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And I'm back, Susan's there.

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We go, okay, twenty four hour news cycle, Chase.

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I was just saying, there's always so much going on

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and the opportunity to just slow down and hang out

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and have a nice time with each other rather than

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have it just be like, you know, another big convention

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center that's cold and sterile. These are really nice opportunities. Well,

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you know, now that I'm here, and it's so happy

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to see you.

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Chase the our you know, our tagline is that we

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treat the fans like stars, but we endeavor to treat

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our stars like family. And it speaks to just what

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Chase is saying that there's always a rat race. It's

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always busy, busy, busy. I can't even imagine how many

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conventions and events you attend in a given calendar. Gear

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and to have the have the privilege of being able

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to say, come on, because this isn't going to be hard,

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this is going to be easy. It's going to be polite,

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it's going to be kind. It's i say, laid back

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but well organized and a level of interaction that's not common.

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small enough that we can be we can be balanced

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about the amount of closeness that we can have and

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we don't have to have any concerns. Plus we have

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we have secret help all over the room to curb

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enthusiasm if it gets too great. But it really is

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our goal both to make the fans have a place

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where we want our fans to leave and say, oh

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my goodness, did I get to do that, and we

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want our stars to leave and say did I get

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treated like that? I am so coming back. And you know,

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you have to treat your family with the kind of

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thoughtfulness and politeness because you don't always have a lot

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of money or cash to throw arounds. But what we

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do have and what counts is how we treat each other.

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That's the We treat our fans like stars and our

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stars like family. That's our goal. And then we have

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a really good program too.

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It's so wonderful, Susan. I really, like I was saying

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before you were back on, I have so much respect

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for you and the fact that you put this together

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in such a thoughtful way. And I couldn't agree more.

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I mean, people don't come to conventions for the ink

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on the page of the autograph or the twenty five

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seconds they get if that during the photo op. They

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come for the memory and the human connection. And certainly

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I've always said this, it's not really even for us,

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it's for each other. It's the community that you guys

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have built.

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That's why it well, in a sense, it's both true

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and not true, isn't it. I mean, it's the you

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say correctly about the memory we make memories by human connections.

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A photographer, an autograph is what reminds us of the

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human connection we had. Because that's this year's theme. It's

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an ambassador's conference, but it's how to find commonality in

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a multi species universe, and right now we need to

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find commonality with people that make us want to say,

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what play it did you come from? Because we are

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so different? What the fundamental truth is, we're not that different.

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through compassion, then we're doing the right thing in any

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small effort that nourishes that thread in the tapestry of

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our lives, makes our lives vibrant and comfortable and strong.

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Oh my gosh, Roddenberry, what you just said, it's so beautiful,

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And yes, thank you. We've got enough of the hard stuff.

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Let's bring some warmth and listening and the ability to

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connect over what makes us all all human, you know,

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whether we're Klingons or fully ins or but Joran's or

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all what we all have those things that we really

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need to be focusing on right now.

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it's you know, it's an entertainment weekend. It's fun, but

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we you know, we have a couple of sessions that

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we hope to make each other think and go home

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to consider finding that commonality in every little small way

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that we can. It's not always, you know, public, it's

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not always magnificent, but it is always necessary.

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Absolutely, Like one more minute before I have to get

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one thing I'm really uper excited about is the entertainment

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part of this weekend, Bonnie Gordon is a wonderful thing.

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Thank you, Chase, thank you so much for coming in

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all right.

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I'm fun with Thank you.

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Oh I want to say that.

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Chase.

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Chase and I've actually had a few conversations. Oh she's back.

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They didn't let her out of the car. Oh there

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We don't want to get.

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Oh no, you're good. Thank you. We have looked, we

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have tried very hard to put together a group of

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talent that is like it's like Chases. It's because what

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they really bring to the table is their willingness to

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just be there alongside the fans. Fans that are convention.

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It's September twenty six through twenty eight. They it's completely

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an interactive You share all the sessions, all five meals

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are provided two parties, and our talent is coming on

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the premise that they just attend everything side by side

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with you, and we yeah, and we have I mean

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the things that make I mean what Chase said, I mean,

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it's true. I've been in enough contact with other fans

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that I listened to what they love and what they wish,

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what they think about. And the big thing was I

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wish I could have done that. I wish I could

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have had that sixty seconds with the star, or I

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wish I got chosen for my costume, or you know,

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I worked so hard on that thing and nobody noticed it,

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you know. And so I said, because I live in

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a small, smaller town, mid size, what if you had

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a convention that was small enough that you could guarantee

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that kind of interaction, not just thirty seconds. I mean,

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we have a unique photo session. When you come into

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the actor's booth. There's a table and two chairs and

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a lamp and a picture and you sit down and

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look across the table for a minute and you get

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that autograph. We our tickets are all inclusive, so they

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include both the evening parties. Bonnie Gordon will be hosting

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the Ambassador's reception. But if you don't know Jin You

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sell Us. She's the pop clean, the kling On pop Warrior.

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If you haven't seen her sing opera and cling On,

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you haven't been to a We are having cling On

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Karaoke for our Saturday night party and Gin You sell

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Us she'll be leading that. She's saying on the cruise

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this year on stage with Robert Piccardo, and she's in

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a cling On Language Expert weekend right now. I mean

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she's one of the leading experts in the language. She's

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coming in. She's going to be when everybody's doing lots

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of stuff, but she's going to do Saturday Nights cling

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On karaoke. And we have designed and created cling On

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Cornhole And can you guess what you throw into a

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kling On cornhole game?

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A mini battle?

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That that would be something. Oh, but you're gonna you're

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gonna love it. It's triples.

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Course.

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Of course, Susan had sent me some pictures from last

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year's event. And uh, David, you want to roll that

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that uh slideshow that we put together for Susan while

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Susan tells us a little bit about what's what we're

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watching when we're watching it? All right, there we.

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Go, Susan subspace a space within a space, in this

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case a smaller space within a space.

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So this September twenty sixth, twenty.

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Seven, correct, We start with Friday evening, which is well,

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this slide is pointing out that, well, that isn't an

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interesting slide. We don't have a vendors room like most

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conventions do. We don't sell a lot of stuff. We

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have experts in makeup or clothing or photography, things that

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help fans and enhance their experience, not just here but

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at other conventions. We start out each convention with something

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called trek tracks, and that is where our stars actually

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interview our attendees. They interview our fans. It's a Q

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and A, but we're asking the fans about themselves and

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the stars are doing it so they get to go

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home and say I had an interview with Bonnie Gordon

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or Chase Masterson, but I was the one being interviewed.

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Last year, we had a few look alikes that I

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guess you can pick them out. Some looked much more

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like than others. So that slide show you that we

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have menus. Our meals are included five full meals, but

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there are also sessions. They're hosted by one of our talent.

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They have games, and of course we have a Star

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Trek themed menu for each meal. And we are again

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this year we are hosting a multi species Ambassador's Conference

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and we are finding commonality in a multi species universe.

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So that's our theme for this coming year. Last year

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we sold some specialized art that we commissioned and said

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we had a couple of artists there. I threw that

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in because we'll be doing some of the same this

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year as well. We'll be auctioning off some special items

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that Trek fans have donated. You can see who our

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fans are, I mean, who our guest stars are. And

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we might have another one to be announced next week.

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But Chase is also coming as Leda for the Ambassador's Convention,

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and I am actually constructing in real life the outfit

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that she wore as the animated character, that green dress.

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I've I've pretty much got it got it down, and

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she'll be her real self, but she'll be wearing that

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as her ambassador's gown.

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Fun.

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Oh, it should be a lot of fun. I mean, obviously,

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we're inviting our attendees to choose what planet they'll they'll

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come as at an ambassador, what what planet will they represent?

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Because we have a costume contest. There's a group of

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us from last year. We signed that off and you

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go home with one of those. And we have a

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costume contest. We have a chair cover contest. If you

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look on the website you'll get physical exis samples of that.

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We have music our people, right, we have a talent contest.

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The winner of each each category will get a free

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five hundred dollars pass to next year's convention. So competing

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and winning that that, you know, that buys you a

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really full week admission to next year's convention. So we're

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kind of excited about seeing what people bring to the table.

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And then we've constructed there. It is cling on corn Hull.

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That's Court versus the Federation. So we're throwing in starships

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into the a federation one and we're throwing in squishy

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triples into the other. It's loads of fun, it really is,

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and we're in the Midwest. Did you did you think

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that good for you? So we thought that would be

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too funny. That's if we could make them squeak, we would,

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but we haven't been able to do that yet.

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We have to when they're around Klagon's turbos.

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I know you have. That's our James Dohand look alike.

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And that's just an it's Larry Patterson. He's really lovely

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and he really does. I mean, you'll stop him on

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the street if he's in uniform. But this is an

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image from our trek tracks where we actually interview four

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or five guests per session and just find out what

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their journeys are. We're September twenty sixth through the twenty eighth.

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And of course, infinite diversity in infinite combinations, that's not

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just a concept, it's the way we conduct ourselves.

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Think that we really need a lot today and I

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have gotten that.

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If I can say, I'm a mama Bear, so my

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adult two of my adult kids are within the LGBTQ

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community and this really they're not into Star Trek, but

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I just appreciate that. You know, everybody is welcome, and

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so to me, I just thank you from the bottom

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of my heart, because this world is not always kind

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to people who are you know, don't fit the mold,

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you know what I mean.

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Though, Victoria, I feel it. I feel it deeply, especially

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when you are outside of that community. We have a responsibility,

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I think if we understand the principle behind Jeane Runberry's

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I mean, it's a stated principle. I mean, it's if

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you can't figure out how to get along with the

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people on a planet that you live on, you know,

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how can you possibly translate that to other planets. I

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don't know that in our lifetimes we'll ever find out

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we have the choice, but you're very welcome, and it's

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the same I think for each of us. One of

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I have nine grandchildren and one of them one is

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trans and I have nephews that I love dearly that

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are in the same group. And it's my it's our responsibility,

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I think, my responsibility to make sure if it's within

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your power to make sure that that is embraced, that

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you must exercise it.

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Gots, I'm getting I'm just getting emotional because it's just

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just hard. Yeah, But but the fact that you do it,

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and I'm just thinking right now it's like I would

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totally quit my job and come to work with you.

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That would if I could do that, I totally would

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get on a.

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Plane or a train. But today I had I had

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quite the day, just regular life for each of us.

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And and it can be you know, doing something like

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this is very rewarding and terrifying and uh, you know,

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of you know, a fan based organization of any kind,

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you you depend on fans to support it. Where we

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have a early bird early bird of prey. I didn't

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know how to work that in, but early bird ticket

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sales and and you know, you need to fund the

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event before everybody shows up. So we're trying to work

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that out and find that right balance. But I'm so

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glad Victoria that that you you feel that and in

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any way that we can welcome. You know, we just

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do our best in our daily lives, don't we?

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Yes?

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How can people? How can people reach out and get

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tickets for the event.

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The our website is subspace start st subspace st dot org.

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So that's all and we need everything you need to go.

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If you go to the website subspace st dot org,

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look for the menu item that says early bird tickets

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and that I'll get you right there to what you

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get and what we have, and then you can go

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through the whole menu. Item we describe it, we tell

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about the stars. You can check the schedule. I mean,

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the schedule evolves a little bit. We find too in

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each session. But it's introductory because I mean, I want

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to ask you, guys. I'm assuming you've been to a

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lot of conventions. I haven't been to that many, and

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I don't think there's anything quite like this, certainly not

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the amount of interaction that we've built in. It's going

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to always be small, I would say one hundred and

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twenty five and under, otherwise we won't be able to

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provide to assure that kind of closeness. But it includes

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the meals, all your meals. The only thing you have

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to pick up autograph, photograph is included. The thing you

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pick up is your hotel, of course, but we have

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a lovely suite hotel suite. It's a sweet hotel at

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the convention space that you know. It's twenty feet away

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from the convention space and it's one hundred and twenty

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five dollars for the for the night and there it's nice.

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That's the privilege of living in a mid size community.

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Is you still get nice but you don't have to

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pay three hundred and seventy five dollars to get it?

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Yeah? Well, we wish you all the best of luck, Susan,

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and we really appreciate you time taking out of your

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schedule to chat with us and to have Chase give

479
00:29:28.599 --> 00:29:31.640
us a call, and well curious to see how everything

480
00:29:31.640 --> 00:29:33.680
works out for you. We'll have to have you back again.

481
00:29:34.160 --> 00:29:38.000
Well, thank you for having me and live long, prosper,

482
00:29:38.519 --> 00:29:41.079
be kind, and thank you so much.

483
00:29:40.880 --> 00:29:42.400
For the chat you too.

484
00:29:42.480 --> 00:29:45.359
Thanks, all right, good bye?

485
00:29:46.279 --> 00:29:46.680
Thank you?

486
00:29:47.759 --> 00:29:49.960
All right, guys, so are we ready to do some

487
00:29:50.119 --> 00:29:52.400
fan shout outs? What do you say, David?

488
00:29:53.880 --> 00:29:54.119
Sure?

489
00:29:54.240 --> 00:29:55.079
Do we have time for that?

490
00:29:55.319 --> 00:29:59.599
Yeah, let's roll out some fan shout outst.

491
00:30:01.799 --> 00:30:03.400
Ready when you guys are all right?

492
00:30:03.480 --> 00:30:06.400
Take it away, Eric, Okay.

493
00:30:06.839 --> 00:30:08.920
First fan shout out goes out this week to Jan

494
00:30:09.079 --> 00:30:12.680
Lee Greville from Queensland, Australia. Thank you so much for

495
00:30:12.720 --> 00:30:15.119
saying hello to us. Jan, very nice to hear from you.

496
00:30:16.200 --> 00:30:19.839
My next one is Sophia Nerovniya, who is saying hello

497
00:30:19.880 --> 00:30:22.759
to us all the way from Saint Petersburg in Russia.

498
00:30:23.359 --> 00:30:25.759
Lots of support in lots of different countries around the world.

499
00:30:25.759 --> 00:30:29.400
Thank you so much, Sophia for saying hello. Svenn Girich

500
00:30:29.680 --> 00:30:33.839
is saying hello to us from carls Rue, Deutschland. Sven,

501
00:30:33.880 --> 00:30:35.519
thank you so much for saying hello to us, and

502
00:30:35.559 --> 00:30:38.319
live long and prosper to you, sir. And I'd also

503
00:30:38.359 --> 00:30:41.440
like to say hello this week to Thorston Schultz, who

504
00:30:41.480 --> 00:30:46.200
is between Nuremberg and Munich, also in Deutschland. Thanks Thorston,

505
00:30:46.480 --> 00:30:47.640
Charles take it away.

506
00:30:48.319 --> 00:30:49.160
Thank you Eric.

507
00:30:49.599 --> 00:30:53.440
Let's have a warm welcome to Tom Casey from Nebraska.

508
00:30:53.480 --> 00:31:00.440
Welcome Tom. Let's welcome Lovely Sawyer from Benson, North Carolina.

509
00:31:01.160 --> 00:31:08.119
Let's welcome Ali Rays from Oregon. Welcome Robert mcine from

510
00:31:08.160 --> 00:31:12.720
Nova Scotia, Canada. Me who's on your list?

511
00:31:14.960 --> 00:31:20.160
All right, so welcome to Jamie Freeman Upton, who is

512
00:31:20.200 --> 00:31:26.319
from Southeast Louisiana, sixty miles north of New Orleans. Then

513
00:31:26.400 --> 00:31:33.240
there's Terry Noriega from California. We have Shannon Williams who

514
00:31:33.279 --> 00:31:37.920
says I'm from New Jersey, and last but not least,

515
00:31:38.079 --> 00:31:43.720
Richard Graham from Allahassee, Florida. So onto you, Paul.

516
00:31:44.640 --> 00:31:45.119
Thank you, VI.

517
00:31:45.240 --> 00:31:48.880
I appreciate that. Okay, let's push past the boundaries of

518
00:31:48.920 --> 00:31:51.160
our own country here and the rest of the globe

519
00:31:51.160 --> 00:31:53.599
and see where other Star Trek fans may reside. Let's

520
00:31:53.599 --> 00:31:58.039
say hello to our friend Dejean ma Christo in Belo Horizonte, Brazil.

521
00:31:58.640 --> 00:32:02.640
Bello Horizonte been to Belo Berticale, but I didn't know

522
00:32:02.680 --> 00:32:05.559
that Belo Horizonte also had started acting. So seeing what

523
00:32:05.599 --> 00:32:08.680
you learn, you pay attention to the show to our

524
00:32:08.720 --> 00:32:12.559
good friend. Also over in Morris, Germany, it's Rainier W Bierman,

525
00:32:12.720 --> 00:32:16.519
who has got the flag flying and the universal sign

526
00:32:16.680 --> 00:32:20.480
for hey, show me to your convention. Yes, it's true.

527
00:32:20.640 --> 00:32:23.240
Rayner is all the way from More's, Germany, and just

528
00:32:23.279 --> 00:32:25.039
down the road from him is our good friend Paul

529
00:32:25.119 --> 00:32:29.240
Eddie Cox from Dublin, Ireland. Spectacular place to hang out

530
00:32:29.279 --> 00:32:31.480
and party and have good times. Right, Paul knows what

531
00:32:31.519 --> 00:32:33.839
I'm talking about. And let's go over to where some

532
00:32:33.880 --> 00:32:37.519
of my people will hail from. In Hull, East Yorkshire, England,

533
00:32:37.720 --> 00:32:40.839
it's Ian O. Walton's first name is Ian. They're pretty

534
00:32:40.880 --> 00:32:42.799
much obligated to be English. I think it seems like

535
00:32:42.839 --> 00:32:44.720
it might be even a law. I'm not sure, but

536
00:32:44.799 --> 00:32:47.359
Ian could testify for us Anyhow, that's what I got

537
00:32:47.359 --> 00:32:51.759
in my continental trip through the provinces, Uncle Jim, what's

538
00:32:51.799 --> 00:32:52.960
going on in your neck of the woods.

539
00:32:53.559 --> 00:32:55.920
Well, we're gonna swing right back here to the United

540
00:32:55.960 --> 00:32:58.039
States of America. We're gonna say hello and thank you

541
00:32:58.079 --> 00:33:04.319
to Alan Stevens who's listening to us Sanford, Maine. Yeah. Yeah,

542
00:33:04.359 --> 00:33:06.359
And we also want to say hello and thank you

543
00:33:06.400 --> 00:33:10.640
to John Diez who's in Shelton, Connecticut, and Shannon Williams

544
00:33:10.640 --> 00:33:15.319
who's in Lindawold, New Jersey, and other Jersey. And last,

545
00:33:15.720 --> 00:33:18.519
but definitely not least, from the Big Apple, we want

546
00:33:18.519 --> 00:33:21.359
to say hello, thank you and apply to Andy Farber

547
00:33:21.359 --> 00:33:25.000
who's from New York City. And that, my friends, wraps

548
00:33:25.119 --> 00:33:27.279
up our fan shout outs for this week. If you

549
00:33:27.279 --> 00:33:28.960
would like to hear your name mentioned on a fan

550
00:33:29.000 --> 00:33:32.039
shout out, just head over to our Facebook page Trek Talking,

551
00:33:32.480 --> 00:33:35.880
and beyond you'll see to Live Long and Prosper page

552
00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:38.359
and right to the top. Just stop there, tell us

553
00:33:38.359 --> 00:33:40.799
where you're listening from, and leave some emojis. It gets

554
00:33:40.839 --> 00:33:42.920
my attention. If you see a heart next your name

555
00:33:43.039 --> 00:33:45.640
from yours truly, Uncle Jim, then you want to tune

556
00:33:45.640 --> 00:33:47.759
into a future fan shout outs because your name is

557
00:33:47.759 --> 00:33:50.119
going to be mentioned and why you're there, Send us

558
00:33:50.119 --> 00:33:52.119
one of your pictures like this picture right here of

559
00:33:52.160 --> 00:33:53.960
me and Eric and a bunch of fans from Trek

560
00:33:54.039 --> 00:33:57.680
Connor Roga and of course there's Paul in the trash compactor.

561
00:33:58.119 --> 00:34:00.839
You guys, hit your photos and we'll see them right

562
00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:03.799
there on the screen when we do our fan shout out.

563
00:34:04.359 --> 00:34:09.480
All right, guys, you ready to do some polls?

564
00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:18.119
You know me like no win what you thought about

565
00:34:18.199 --> 00:34:24.079
the show? Then we try to share your opinions with

566
00:34:24.440 --> 00:34:29.239
all of our minions out there because they listen worldwide.

567
00:34:30.920 --> 00:34:33.000
So tell us just what you think.

568
00:34:33.239 --> 00:34:37.320
Get together. We will all term Canara and robbylin.

569
00:34:37.039 --> 00:34:44.199
A God, I just love that song all right. Every

570
00:34:44.199 --> 00:34:46.519
week on our Facebook page, I ask you guys poll

571
00:34:46.679 --> 00:34:49.199
questions and all kinds of great stuff and you you

572
00:34:49.239 --> 00:34:51.199
can answer them and you can go to our Facebook

573
00:34:51.199 --> 00:34:54.199
pagecheck talking and beyond it take place in our poll

574
00:34:54.280 --> 00:34:57.400
so that your voice can be heard. So David, you

575
00:34:57.440 --> 00:35:02.320
want to run the video incoming works?

576
00:35:02.320 --> 00:35:04.960
Are Nature detected in the orbit of parnasas Beta Middler?

577
00:35:06.079 --> 00:35:06.880
Do we have visuals?

578
00:35:07.360 --> 00:35:11.519
Yes, Captain, I believe it is a gor and hunter ship.

579
00:35:16.960 --> 00:35:19.599
Law and prepare phasers. The polture far face is loved

580
00:35:19.639 --> 00:35:23.280
and holding. Sir, Captain, I'm receiving a secure communication from

581
00:35:23.320 --> 00:35:25.960
outside of the interference field. It's from Starfleet.

582
00:35:26.079 --> 00:35:26.920
What does it say?

583
00:35:27.239 --> 00:35:35.880
Okay, they've received a message from the Gorn, Sir, message

584
00:35:36.159 --> 00:35:36.599
saying what.

585
00:35:37.880 --> 00:35:38.559
It's an image?

586
00:35:40.079 --> 00:35:46.599
Stand by It looks like a demarcation line with Parnassas

587
00:35:46.679 --> 00:35:48.519
Beta and all their forces on the far side of

588
00:35:48.559 --> 00:35:49.079
the line.

589
00:35:49.880 --> 00:35:54.440
Starfleet has ordered us to maintain our side of the line.

590
00:35:55.920 --> 00:36:00.840
The man crew ready room now all right, So there's

591
00:36:00.880 --> 00:36:02.880
the video. What's the question?

592
00:36:03.159 --> 00:36:03.400
Eric?

593
00:36:04.320 --> 00:36:07.559
In the star a Strange New World Season two finale Hegemony,

594
00:36:07.960 --> 00:36:11.320
Captain Pike violates orders and crosses the Gorn demarcation line

595
00:36:11.320 --> 00:36:15.679
to rescue Captain Bateel. Do you agree with his decision? No, surprise,

596
00:36:15.800 --> 00:36:18.920
ninety six percent of our responders agree with his decision

597
00:36:19.000 --> 00:36:22.400
to cross the line, and only four percent I assume

598
00:36:22.440 --> 00:36:24.519
that is a half A person or perhaps a child,

599
00:36:24.840 --> 00:36:31.000
said no, they did not agree. It was a Gor child,

600
00:36:31.480 --> 00:36:34.880
it was aid, yeah, maybe we only count Gordon votes

601
00:36:34.920 --> 00:36:35.320
half and.

602
00:36:35.320 --> 00:36:41.599
Here it was somebody from Congress Yeah, congressman. Yeah, a

603
00:36:41.719 --> 00:36:46.400
very very small reasoning capacity. So yeah, pretty good, pretty good,

604
00:36:46.519 --> 00:36:48.880
pretty fare bath. I'd say yeah.

605
00:36:48.920 --> 00:36:52.159
I figured with Strange New World's premiering tonight, after the

606
00:36:52.199 --> 00:36:54.559
long wait, we should have some Strange New World's questions.

607
00:36:54.559 --> 00:36:57.840
What are you guys? You guys like that for sure?

608
00:36:58.800 --> 00:37:02.920
So we have another poll question. David, you want to

609
00:37:03.000 --> 00:37:03.719
run the video?

610
00:37:05.280 --> 00:37:05.559
I do?

611
00:37:12.239 --> 00:37:15.719
Why do you want it?

612
00:37:15.800 --> 00:37:16.480
Collin Us?

613
00:37:16.559 --> 00:37:18.880
When you've got your troubles?

614
00:37:20.719 --> 00:37:23.079
Are you.

615
00:37:24.079 --> 00:37:24.280
Plan?

616
00:37:24.639 --> 00:37:26.079
You try to talk to yourself?

617
00:37:27.440 --> 00:37:27.760
You know?

618
00:37:39.159 --> 00:37:41.920
I love it? I love it? Okay, you guys saw

619
00:37:42.000 --> 00:37:43.920
the video? What's the question?

620
00:37:44.079 --> 00:37:44.320
Eric?

621
00:37:45.159 --> 00:37:48.199
In the Strange New World's episode Subspace Rhapsody, the Klingons

622
00:37:48.239 --> 00:37:50.440
show up and sing a K pop song? Do you

623
00:37:50.480 --> 00:37:53.559
think the scene would have played better if they sang

624
00:37:53.840 --> 00:37:57.480
cling On Opera? So, if it would have played better,

625
00:37:57.559 --> 00:38:00.320
so if something different would have been better? And seventy

626
00:38:00.360 --> 00:38:02.719
seven percent of our responders said no, they liked it

627
00:38:02.800 --> 00:38:05.480
just the way it was, and twenty three percent said

628
00:38:05.519 --> 00:38:09.639
that they would have rather have seen Clingon Opera. I

629
00:38:09.679 --> 00:38:13.079
personally thought the k pop was perfect. Opera is almost

630
00:38:13.119 --> 00:38:16.559
expected at this point, or heavy metal maybe from Klingons,

631
00:38:16.599 --> 00:38:18.159
and so the fact that they threw some K pop

632
00:38:18.199 --> 00:38:19.639
in there was freaking hilarious.

633
00:38:20.840 --> 00:38:24.920
And if you guys remember our interview with Bruce Horrick,

634
00:38:25.000 --> 00:38:28.000
he said that they recorded it both ways and there

635
00:38:28.039 --> 00:38:30.239
is a Klingon Opera version. But you know what I'm

636
00:38:30.280 --> 00:38:33.440
with you, Eric, I think Klingon singing kling On opera

637
00:38:33.800 --> 00:38:40.079
would be normal, right. So I think it was great

638
00:38:40.239 --> 00:38:42.079
just the way it was. I don't think it needed

639
00:38:42.119 --> 00:38:46.039
to be different. But what did you think, Paul, did

640
00:38:46.079 --> 00:38:47.960
you want to see Bruce Horrick break out on some

641
00:38:48.079 --> 00:38:48.880
kling On opera?

642
00:38:50.320 --> 00:38:56.440
No? I mean yeah, no, no, I mean you know

643
00:38:56.599 --> 00:38:58.800
it's like, yeah, I don't want to fan fiiction it, right,

644
00:38:58.840 --> 00:39:01.360
I mean, this is what they did. I like to

645
00:39:01.440 --> 00:39:03.840
judge it from what they presented that what they presented

646
00:39:04.000 --> 00:39:05.960
was and it's ainything as now, it was great. You know,

647
00:39:06.719 --> 00:39:09.280
it's a bit of a stretch anyway to have a

648
00:39:09.400 --> 00:39:13.400
musical episode that's completely you know, musical, right for a

649
00:39:13.400 --> 00:39:15.480
science fiction show, right, And I think the audience was

650
00:39:15.480 --> 00:39:18.440
like and to add a liberal dose of comedy like

651
00:39:18.480 --> 00:39:21.599
this that was such a crowd pleaser that sells it, right.

652
00:39:21.679 --> 00:39:24.000
So it was a smart move. I mean, I don't

653
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think anybody except for some dumb ass congressman it's our

654
00:39:27.920 --> 00:39:32.400
four percent, would want it otherwise, So you know, yeah,

655
00:39:32.599 --> 00:39:34.880
I mean I think it's slamm dunk. Absolutely, this is

656
00:39:34.920 --> 00:39:36.639
you know, this is one of the I mean easily.

657
00:39:36.719 --> 00:39:39.039
It's like if you were like having people watch the

658
00:39:39.039 --> 00:39:41.960
show and recording their emotional engagement, right, and then you

659
00:39:42.000 --> 00:39:44.239
get to this scene. It would be like that, right,

660
00:39:44.280 --> 00:39:47.880
because everybody loves that scene. It's hilarious. You know, it's

661
00:39:48.239 --> 00:39:53.320
it's brief. I think the importance of conveying things briefly

662
00:39:53.960 --> 00:39:56.880
and not drawing it out for an interminal amount of

663
00:39:56.920 --> 00:40:02.559
time can never be overestimated or underappreciated. So that was

664
00:40:02.599 --> 00:40:05.079
a brief bit of comedy. Let's all learn a lesson

665
00:40:05.079 --> 00:40:05.360
from that.

666
00:40:05.920 --> 00:40:08.000
Yeah, and Bruce did a great job. And hope maybe

667
00:40:08.039 --> 00:40:10.880
we'll see him back again. Who knows.

668
00:40:12.039 --> 00:40:12.840
Yep, I hope so.

669
00:40:13.639 --> 00:40:16.119
I hope so too. I hope so too. It would

670
00:40:16.119 --> 00:40:18.400
be great. But what did you think, David? Did you

671
00:40:18.559 --> 00:40:22.440
like it? Or it should have been opera? Yeah? No,

672
00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:25.800
they were perfect. It was perfect. Okay, so we agree

673
00:40:25.800 --> 00:40:31.880
it was perfect? All right? So I decided, because it

674
00:40:32.000 --> 00:40:35.440
has been a long time since we saw season two,

675
00:40:36.159 --> 00:40:38.119
that we might want to just go back real quick

676
00:40:38.280 --> 00:40:43.519
and briefly recap the season and I've broken it up

677
00:40:43.519 --> 00:40:48.039
in different episodes for each one of the co hosts,

678
00:40:48.119 --> 00:40:54.039
and I've got episode one of season two, the Broken Circle. David,

679
00:40:54.119 --> 00:40:55.280
do you have a clip to show?

680
00:40:59.039 --> 00:41:07.920
It's a distressing Who is it from Lahan, Sir? It

681
00:41:08.119 --> 00:41:10.519
has to be from la On. She knows our maintenance schedule.

682
00:41:10.760 --> 00:41:12.000
It was being right.

683
00:41:11.880 --> 00:41:16.960
As so deception even not Trump.

684
00:41:17.679 --> 00:41:25.599
The Admiral was pretty definitive. Yeah, our former combat is

685
00:41:25.599 --> 00:41:26.039
in trouble.

686
00:41:26.559 --> 00:41:28.880
She has indicated aid to her is essential for the

687
00:41:28.960 --> 00:41:31.559
safety of the Federation. I will need you or help

688
00:41:31.599 --> 00:41:34.199
you get the inspectors off the ship and achieve our objective,

689
00:41:34.920 --> 00:41:36.800
but I will not ask you to do something you

690
00:41:36.840 --> 00:41:40.039
believe is wrong. If you need to believe report this plan,

691
00:41:41.360 --> 00:41:42.400
I will not stand in your way.

692
00:41:43.239 --> 00:41:43.760
What plan?

693
00:41:44.760 --> 00:41:51.119
I would have thought it obvious. We must steal the Enterprise,

694
00:41:58.960 --> 00:42:03.519
all right, stealing the Enterprise. This is the Broken Circle

695
00:42:03.679 --> 00:42:08.440
that originally aired on June fifteenth, twenty twenty three, a

696
00:42:08.480 --> 00:42:13.719
distress call from on compel Spot to disobey orders and

697
00:42:13.760 --> 00:42:17.760
take the Enterprise and its crew into disputed space on

698
00:42:17.760 --> 00:42:21.239
our rescue mission. When we originally asked this question on

699
00:42:21.280 --> 00:42:23.719
our Facebook page, the fans gave it a score of

700
00:42:24.000 --> 00:42:28.760
seven point five. So that's what our fans scored it,

701
00:42:29.280 --> 00:42:36.199
seven point five. And Paul as our next episode, David,

702
00:42:37.119 --> 00:42:38.199
do you want to do your magic?

703
00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:45.760
Will be?

704
00:42:46.000 --> 00:42:48.320
Okay?

705
00:42:48.960 --> 00:42:54.159
Definitely talk be guilty, you know, star.

706
00:42:59.079 --> 00:43:07.760
Business, no anxile, You'll still be a free Federation citizen.

707
00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:09.880
Starflee is willing to seal your records.

708
00:43:09.559 --> 00:43:10.320
And look the other way.

709
00:43:10.559 --> 00:43:11.960
They want to cover their mistake.

710
00:43:12.559 --> 00:43:15.960
They are grateful for your service. Wha, you don't want

711
00:43:15.960 --> 00:43:18.119
to drag this out and you don't want others to

712
00:43:18.159 --> 00:43:21.639
get dragged in. It's a fair deal. It's a good

713
00:43:21.639 --> 00:43:22.679
deal giving the evidence.

714
00:43:23.239 --> 00:43:25.000
She's right, we won't get better.

715
00:43:26.039 --> 00:43:30.039
This charge can carry two years imprisonment at the minimum.

716
00:43:30.159 --> 00:43:35.039
Don't you think we should sidebar this conversation. That's a

717
00:43:35.079 --> 00:43:38.800
good idea. Take some time, talk it over with your counsel.

718
00:43:38.920 --> 00:43:41.079
How can he counsel me when he works for you?

719
00:43:46.639 --> 00:43:50.639
Okay? So that episode Friends number two is add astra

720
00:43:50.840 --> 00:43:54.159
per aspirin, and that is, of course a Latin phrase

721
00:43:54.239 --> 00:43:59.519
that translates to through the stars through hardship, and in

722
00:43:59.679 --> 00:44:03.760
this case, the hardship or the difficulties are very personal ones.

723
00:44:03.840 --> 00:44:07.079
For Unichin Riley, that moto was often used to express

724
00:44:07.119 --> 00:44:11.679
the idea that great achievements require overcoming tremendous challenges and obstacles.

725
00:44:12.360 --> 00:44:17.000
And in this episode, Unichin Riley faces court martial, imprisonment,

726
00:44:17.079 --> 00:44:20.920
and even dishonorable discharge from Starfleet because she hid her

727
00:44:21.000 --> 00:44:25.960
Illyrian heritage, which includes being genetically enhanced, which is a

728
00:44:26.000 --> 00:44:29.119
practice that in this point in time is banned in Starflee. Right,

729
00:44:29.159 --> 00:44:33.119
So we have an episode that is exploring themes of prejudice,

730
00:44:33.519 --> 00:44:38.039
of discrimination and also the Starfleet judicial system. Right, So

731
00:44:38.719 --> 00:44:41.039
Pike reaches out and gets the help of a woman

732
00:44:41.119 --> 00:44:45.719
named Nira Catoole, who's the childhood friends of una very

733
00:44:46.400 --> 00:44:49.679
skilled lawyer with a complicated past, hoping that she will

734
00:44:49.719 --> 00:44:53.440
defend her. And I kept expecting Samuel T. Cogley from

735
00:44:53.800 --> 00:44:56.159
Court Martial in the original series to show up because

736
00:44:56.440 --> 00:44:59.119
that same kind of vibe to it. Right, real classics

737
00:44:59.119 --> 00:45:01.760
set up there. So you have a nice episode that

738
00:45:01.800 --> 00:45:04.440
delves into UMA's past a little bit, and the challenge

739
00:45:04.559 --> 00:45:08.800
is faced by Illyrians and the Federation, culminating in this

740
00:45:08.960 --> 00:45:13.119
really cool courtroom drama that actually questions the ideals of

741
00:45:13.199 --> 00:45:16.559
Starfleet and the Federation. So you have the idea of

742
00:45:16.599 --> 00:45:20.440
prejudice against genetically engineered people, the consequences of when you

743
00:45:20.480 --> 00:45:22.800
have to hide your true identity, something a lot of

744
00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:25.599
people are dealing with now and fighting for justice well

745
00:45:25.599 --> 00:45:29.840
in a really flawed system. Episode concludes with her fate

746
00:45:29.880 --> 00:45:33.599
being a little uncertain, and we're sitting in the audience

747
00:45:34.320 --> 00:45:38.000
pondering the implications of what that means for Illyrians and Starfleet. So,

748
00:45:38.719 --> 00:45:41.840
for my money, terrific episode. I think our fans gave

749
00:45:41.880 --> 00:45:45.000
it like a nine point three, but it really is.

750
00:45:45.039 --> 00:45:47.079
I mean, I think that's you know, I think for

751
00:45:47.159 --> 00:45:50.000
old school original series fans, these are the kind of

752
00:45:50.039 --> 00:45:53.280
episodes that really resonate well because they feel like classic

753
00:45:53.320 --> 00:45:55.920
episodes and they explore those kind of themes that I

754
00:45:55.960 --> 00:45:59.840
think are timeless and engaging for viewers. So that's my

755
00:46:00.199 --> 00:46:02.239
that's my thought on this episode.

756
00:46:02.440 --> 00:46:05.320
Yeah, I mean, I agree with you, Paul. I think this, personally,

757
00:46:05.360 --> 00:46:08.079
at least for me, is my favorite episode this season.

758
00:46:08.239 --> 00:46:11.119
I think that it was just really really well done.

759
00:46:11.119 --> 00:46:14.679
And while other episodes like These Old Scientists had kind

760
00:46:14.719 --> 00:46:17.480
of like the kitch fun factor and that sort of thing,

761
00:46:17.519 --> 00:46:21.000
this one was very serious, but you had very plaignant,

762
00:46:21.480 --> 00:46:24.119
lots of really good story thrown in there. So I

763
00:46:24.199 --> 00:46:25.639
really liked this episode.

764
00:46:29.559 --> 00:46:32.519
Yeah, our fans liked it a lot too, Victoria, what

765
00:46:32.599 --> 00:46:33.519
did you think about it?

766
00:46:34.000 --> 00:46:34.239
Well?

767
00:46:34.960 --> 00:46:40.679
I was reminded of the DS nine episode where they

768
00:46:40.719 --> 00:46:44.960
find out doctor Basher is genetically enhanced and he almost

769
00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:49.880
gets kicked out of Starfleet. But that's his parents were

770
00:46:49.920 --> 00:46:53.800
the ones who had him genetically modified because he was

771
00:46:54.559 --> 00:46:58.119
like underdeveloped or slow or something like that. But so

772
00:46:58.440 --> 00:47:00.760
that's what I immediately thought about it. I thought this was

773
00:47:00.800 --> 00:47:08.519
an excellent an excellent episode because you know, the dignity

774
00:47:08.639 --> 00:47:11.960
that Una shows in the midst of you know, her

775
00:47:12.000 --> 00:47:15.840
whole world is falling apart. I think just really speaks

776
00:47:15.880 --> 00:47:16.679
to her character.

777
00:47:19.239 --> 00:47:20.800
Yeah, and I like the fact that the rest of

778
00:47:20.840 --> 00:47:22.519
the crew stood behind her too.

779
00:47:22.719 --> 00:47:24.760
Oh yeah, that's that's important as.

780
00:47:24.639 --> 00:47:28.280
Well, particularly the captain. He had her back the whole time.

781
00:47:29.079 --> 00:47:31.639
I mean, I think, Jim, that's what makes it a

782
00:47:31.719 --> 00:47:34.960
episode of Star Trek, you know, versus maybe some other

783
00:47:35.159 --> 00:47:37.760
science fiction show. Was the fact that it's a team.

784
00:47:38.000 --> 00:47:41.239
That it's that it's not the needs of the many

785
00:47:41.440 --> 00:47:44.000
outweigh the needs of the few all the time. Sometimes

786
00:47:44.039 --> 00:47:46.639
the needs of the one outweigh the needs of the many.

787
00:47:46.719 --> 00:47:49.400
And that's okay, that's the way it should be.

788
00:47:51.519 --> 00:47:56.880
Absolutely, I agree completely and Eric, and that brings us,

789
00:47:57.039 --> 00:47:57.920
that brings us up to you.

790
00:47:59.280 --> 00:48:01.039
Oh yes, do we have a clip?

791
00:48:01.400 --> 00:48:02.559
Yep, David's on it.

792
00:48:05.079 --> 00:48:06.840
You're curiously won't let you get to the reactor.

793
00:48:07.320 --> 00:48:11.840
I'm coming to the reactor. What the reactor? Excluding just

794
00:48:11.880 --> 00:48:14.280
trying this is it? That's what changes? Oh that was

795
00:48:14.360 --> 00:48:17.679
plan A. I can't use a hand grenade. Should use

796
00:48:17.719 --> 00:48:52.800
this as scampold opening, use your handprint to open the door. No,

797
00:48:55.440 --> 00:48:56.480
are you gonna kill me?

798
00:49:05.000 --> 00:49:08.880
Okay? This is of course tomorrow and Tomorrow and tomorrow,

799
00:49:08.960 --> 00:49:12.159
episode three from the season and this, as you can

800
00:49:12.199 --> 00:49:15.159
tell from the trailer or from the clip we just played,

801
00:49:15.199 --> 00:49:18.400
this is a law On centric time travel adventure where

802
00:49:18.400 --> 00:49:21.159
the Enterprise's chief of security is thrust into a mission

803
00:49:21.199 --> 00:49:23.920
across time when a wounded man from the future gives

804
00:49:23.920 --> 00:49:27.920
her a device and warns of a catastrophic attack on

805
00:49:27.960 --> 00:49:32.159
twenty first century Earth Transported to modern day Toronto. She

806
00:49:32.239 --> 00:49:35.800
teams up with a displaced James T. Kirk, who's of

807
00:49:35.840 --> 00:49:39.559
course from a different timeline and equally disoriented and curious

808
00:49:39.559 --> 00:49:43.519
about Earth life. From revolving doors to street hot dogs.

809
00:49:43.519 --> 00:49:47.400
In fact, in his timeline, Earth barely exists. It sounds

810
00:49:47.440 --> 00:49:50.679
like they uncover a photonic bomb linked to a cold

811
00:49:50.760 --> 00:49:53.800
fusion reactor hidden beneath a genetics institute, and along the way,

812
00:49:54.199 --> 00:49:57.159
Lawn and Kirk bond in a sort of fish out

813
00:49:57.199 --> 00:50:02.480
of water style before romulent a gent Sarah reveals herself

814
00:50:02.840 --> 00:50:06.679
and mortally wounds Kirk. Spoiler alert, aiming to assassinate young

815
00:50:06.840 --> 00:50:10.480
Khan Noonians sing before he can rise. Of course, that's

816
00:50:10.519 --> 00:50:13.840
the child that we just saw in our clip. But

817
00:50:14.000 --> 00:50:17.559
Laan diffuses the situation, spares Khan as a child, and

818
00:50:17.639 --> 00:50:21.679
returns to the Enterprise because she knows timelines matter, And

819
00:50:21.719 --> 00:50:25.559
that is where a Department of Temporal Investigations agent warns

820
00:50:25.599 --> 00:50:29.719
her to keep the mission secret. So this episode really

821
00:50:29.800 --> 00:50:35.639
blends moral dilemmas, temporal steaks, character growth, and even a

822
00:50:35.679 --> 00:50:40.320
doomed romance, spotlighting Laan and Kirk in a compelling stand

823
00:50:40.360 --> 00:50:43.639
alone tale. This was an episode that when I first

824
00:50:43.719 --> 00:50:45.639
saw it, I was kind of like, ah, it's a

825
00:50:45.679 --> 00:50:50.440
time travel episode, And I watched it and I thought

826
00:50:50.480 --> 00:50:54.519
it was a solid seven. Upon multiple viewings, I kind

827
00:50:54.519 --> 00:50:56.960
of have really grown into this episode and I actually

828
00:50:57.000 --> 00:51:00.000
like it quite a bit for me. The character growth

829
00:51:00.119 --> 00:51:04.519
aspect of it is its strongest part. On sort of

830
00:51:05.079 --> 00:51:08.840
learns in this episode through her interactions with Kirk and

831
00:51:08.920 --> 00:51:11.119
through kind of having to go back and deal with

832
00:51:11.199 --> 00:51:16.000
something that culminates in this crossover with her ancestor, that

833
00:51:16.239 --> 00:51:20.519
you know, it's okay to have this kind of checkered past,

834
00:51:20.599 --> 00:51:24.320
this monkey on her back that people constantly, you know,

835
00:51:24.480 --> 00:51:28.880
relate when they hear Noonian sing, They're just like, oh crap, okay,

836
00:51:29.679 --> 00:51:34.239
you know. And it's not unlike us or many people

837
00:51:34.320 --> 00:51:37.000
these days, who you know, see people with a certain name,

838
00:51:37.119 --> 00:51:39.320
or see people of a certain color, or see people

839
00:51:39.360 --> 00:51:41.639
from a certain country and just kind of have these

840
00:51:41.679 --> 00:51:44.840
immediate assumptions. It was a great episode that kind of

841
00:51:44.840 --> 00:51:46.880
explored what it was like for a person to really

842
00:51:47.360 --> 00:51:53.320
find their way through everybody else's preconceived notions of her.

843
00:51:54.079 --> 00:51:57.840
And I want to jump go ahead, Charles.

844
00:51:58.800 --> 00:52:00.559
I want to jump in and say I like this

845
00:52:00.760 --> 00:52:05.159
episode to the fact that it's not a one shot episode.

846
00:52:05.800 --> 00:52:10.079
This episode will come back and we will discuss this

847
00:52:10.639 --> 00:52:14.400
later in the season. And I like how it's not

848
00:52:14.599 --> 00:52:18.239
just a throwaway episode. It they build upon it later.

849
00:52:20.559 --> 00:52:23.159
I thought it was cool that UFOs were explained as

850
00:52:23.159 --> 00:52:26.639
being Romulins. I thought that was a neat little twist

851
00:52:27.280 --> 00:52:29.400
when they were showing all the UFO pictures and they

852
00:52:29.440 --> 00:52:32.760
were they were actually Romulin ships. Say well that's cool.

853
00:52:32.800 --> 00:52:36.000
Now we know what happened at Roswell. It was the Romulins,

854
00:52:37.559 --> 00:52:38.039
No I thought.

855
00:52:38.280 --> 00:52:41.960
I thought it was Cork. Yeah, Cork and rom and nog.

856
00:52:42.679 --> 00:52:47.599
They were the ones we men, little green men, yeah,

857
00:52:47.679 --> 00:52:48.400
little men.

858
00:52:50.079 --> 00:52:53.280
In this timeline, it was it was the Romulans. I

859
00:52:53.280 --> 00:52:57.280
always got to blame them, hesty Romulins. All right, well

860
00:52:57.400 --> 00:52:59.800
v you've got our next one, but first our miracle

861
00:53:00.159 --> 00:53:01.280
or David has a clip.

862
00:53:02.440 --> 00:53:06.159
I saw a little streak in the sky and a show.

863
00:53:07.480 --> 00:53:11.719
When you serve as the oomen on the Enterprise, you

864
00:53:11.840 --> 00:53:12.639
become an expert.

865
00:53:13.079 --> 00:53:17.280
Zach, you're live, I thought, does it easier conscience?

866
00:53:18.639 --> 00:53:21.480
I'm just happy to see you.

867
00:53:21.760 --> 00:53:26.239
This person, he's a KaiA from the report. Oh, I

868
00:53:26.280 --> 00:53:29.719
wasn't killed in action. I was stuff behind.

869
00:53:30.280 --> 00:53:32.920
Look I understand here, upset.

870
00:53:33.599 --> 00:53:35.840
It must have been hard surviving here on your own,

871
00:53:35.880 --> 00:53:38.320
but you managed it.

872
00:53:38.559 --> 00:53:39.440
You have no idea.

873
00:53:41.400 --> 00:53:42.679
This isn't a normal planet.

874
00:53:42.719 --> 00:53:42.920
Mit.

875
00:53:43.760 --> 00:53:48.199
Haven't you noticed how hard it is to think the

876
00:53:48.360 --> 00:53:50.119
ringing in your ears.

877
00:53:50.519 --> 00:53:51.360
You thought that too.

878
00:53:51.719 --> 00:53:58.159
The radiation here affects your brain, first the ringing, lost time, fear,

879
00:53:58.960 --> 00:54:01.280
then finally there forgetting.

880
00:54:00.800 --> 00:54:06.239
At wow RV.

881
00:54:07.559 --> 00:54:12.119
Well, let's see among the Lotus eaters is where they

882
00:54:12.320 --> 00:54:16.920
returned to a planet that dredges up tragic memories. And

883
00:54:17.079 --> 00:54:20.880
as we learned from that clip, the one person that

884
00:54:21.000 --> 00:54:25.840
survives because they lost several others. But Captain Pike and

885
00:54:25.920 --> 00:54:29.960
his landing party find themselves forgetting everything. And I have

886
00:54:30.039 --> 00:54:36.119
to say having sensitive hearing, and also tonight is which

887
00:54:36.400 --> 00:54:40.519
I know William Shatner talks about. But anyway, the noise

888
00:54:40.599 --> 00:54:44.360
that they had I had. I could see why people

889
00:54:44.400 --> 00:54:47.840
would forget, but every time that came on, I had

890
00:54:47.880 --> 00:54:51.440
to turn down the volume watching the episode. But they

891
00:54:51.480 --> 00:54:55.239
forget each a little more, and they forget even their

892
00:54:55.239 --> 00:55:01.599
own identities. And Pike can fronts of ghost from his past,

893
00:55:01.800 --> 00:55:07.719
and which is the that yeoman Zach that doesn't seem

894
00:55:07.760 --> 00:55:12.000
to be too happy about that. But the let's say

895
00:55:12.000 --> 00:55:14.960
I wrote down some notes. I can read my handwriting.

896
00:55:15.039 --> 00:55:17.760
So they're on Rachel seven was the planet they had

897
00:55:17.840 --> 00:55:22.519
visited seven years earlier, and it's the klar Our Bronze

898
00:55:22.599 --> 00:55:29.840
Age Caste system warriors and ruling class. And the thing

899
00:55:29.920 --> 00:55:34.320
that brings them back to the planet is that they

900
00:55:34.360 --> 00:55:39.599
have adopted Starfleet insignia, which they find out is from Zach,

901
00:55:41.000 --> 00:55:43.440
so they have to go incognity. I don't know, fancy

902
00:55:43.480 --> 00:55:50.880
weapons or anything like that, but it confuses, you know,

903
00:55:50.920 --> 00:55:57.400
the sound confuses everybody, let's see. But the biggest thing

904
00:55:57.480 --> 00:56:02.159
about it that was really significant that I found interesting.

905
00:56:02.239 --> 00:56:09.840
It explores your identity, your purpose, and the nature cyclical nature,

906
00:56:11.360 --> 00:56:16.440
repeating the past mistakes, and that is just, you know,

907
00:56:16.480 --> 00:56:20.800
who are we without our identities? Basically, you know, we

908
00:56:20.880 --> 00:56:26.039
have to you know, see what's left and and try

909
00:56:26.079 --> 00:56:31.199
to figure out who they are without their memories. But

910
00:56:31.239 --> 00:56:34.920
what I liked about it is when or Tagas is

911
00:56:34.920 --> 00:56:39.000
on the ship still and she uh, finally she figures

912
00:56:39.039 --> 00:56:41.480
out who she is and she'll repeat over and over,

913
00:56:41.599 --> 00:56:45.639
I'm Erica, or tagis I fly the ship and so

914
00:56:45.920 --> 00:56:50.039
between she and Spock, they're able to get the you know,

915
00:56:50.079 --> 00:56:54.079
get things resolved and they find out it's the radiation

916
00:56:54.320 --> 00:57:00.679
in the debris field that's making everybody forget. But the

917
00:57:00.719 --> 00:57:07.360
tough part is when Pike is confronting or not confronting,

918
00:57:07.400 --> 00:57:11.440
but he has met up with Captain Marie Battell, whom

919
00:57:11.599 --> 00:57:18.039
he had a relationship with, and I guess it's difficult

920
00:57:18.159 --> 00:57:20.920
having a relationship in space. And then he says the

921
00:57:21.639 --> 00:57:24.199
dreaded words that I don't care where you are on space,

922
00:57:24.239 --> 00:57:27.679
on Earth, whatever planet. To slow things down a bit,

923
00:57:27.760 --> 00:57:31.079
let's step back and let's see how things go. So

924
00:57:32.199 --> 00:57:34.840
that was something I learned. I didn't know he had

925
00:57:34.840 --> 00:57:38.920
a relationship with anybody else in Starfleet. So for me,

926
00:57:39.360 --> 00:57:42.159
let's see. It was rated a seven point eight, so

927
00:57:42.239 --> 00:57:45.519
I think that's pretty solid. I would say seven point

928
00:57:45.559 --> 00:57:48.719
five just because of that's that ringing noise that they

929
00:57:48.760 --> 00:57:52.960
had that hurt my ears. But that's my take on

930
00:57:53.280 --> 00:57:54.440
among the low diseaters.

931
00:57:56.679 --> 00:57:59.760
Paul, what did you think about this episode?

932
00:58:00.880 --> 00:58:04.280
This is one of my least favorite episodes of last season. Yeah,

933
00:58:04.599 --> 00:58:07.760
I found it really I thought the writing was really

934
00:58:07.760 --> 00:58:11.239
simpar and not good, and I had a lot of

935
00:58:11.320 --> 00:58:14.519
given the location that, you know, the planet of Rigel,

936
00:58:14.559 --> 00:58:15.840
I thought it was going to be a lot more

937
00:58:15.880 --> 00:58:18.880
interesting referencing some of that stuff that we'd seen from

938
00:58:18.960 --> 00:58:21.760
you know, the old Cage flashback, with the you know,

939
00:58:21.960 --> 00:58:24.480
with you know, old school Pike, right with Kayla and whatnot.

940
00:58:24.519 --> 00:58:26.679
And I really think they blew it. And I just

941
00:58:26.719 --> 00:58:30.639
found this to be really just way too abstract and

942
00:58:31.679 --> 00:58:33.840
kind of tedious in terms of just for me, the

943
00:58:33.960 --> 00:58:37.079
kind of storytelling I relate to. I think eighty percent

944
00:58:37.239 --> 00:58:39.559
of season two was really really great, but there were

945
00:58:39.559 --> 00:58:42.079
two episodes that just tanked for me, and this is

946
00:58:42.119 --> 00:58:45.039
one of them. Yeah.

947
00:58:45.079 --> 00:58:47.320
I was trying to, Yeah, I was trying to put

948
00:58:47.480 --> 00:58:50.000
a bit of a positive spin on it, but I

949
00:58:50.000 --> 00:58:53.320
think the deal breaker was that that noise, that ringing

950
00:58:53.559 --> 00:58:54.920
wasn't that that was pretty bad.

951
00:58:56.280 --> 00:58:59.320
It was just gloomy and depressing, and there was just

952
00:58:59.360 --> 00:59:01.719
no you know, it was just it was all you know,

953
00:59:02.360 --> 00:59:05.239
allegory and no freaking plot. You know, it was just

954
00:59:05.400 --> 00:59:08.039
you know, it's just yeah, whenever it's like, I'm the

955
00:59:08.119 --> 00:59:12.280
King and I made this whole. I created a magical,

956
00:59:13.679 --> 00:59:17.119
you know, mythology that everyone's following that normally would take centuries,

957
00:59:17.119 --> 00:59:18.840
but I did it in like six months or whatever.

958
00:59:20.000 --> 00:59:22.800
Which I think there was a there was an original

959
00:59:23.079 --> 00:59:25.679
series episode. I can't think of the name of it,

960
00:59:25.760 --> 00:59:29.159
but were they They more or less did the same thing,

961
00:59:30.199 --> 00:59:33.480
but their symbol was was the American flag.

962
00:59:35.199 --> 00:59:37.320
You're talking like Omega glory.

963
00:59:38.199 --> 00:59:39.519
Yeah, yeah, that's it. That's it.

964
00:59:39.719 --> 00:59:42.199
Yeah, great, which I have a really soft spot for.

965
00:59:42.280 --> 00:59:43.920
I can't help it. I love it. I love the

966
00:59:43.960 --> 00:59:46.559
freaking episode. It's just great. But yeah, I just found

967
00:59:46.599 --> 00:59:48.840
this one. It's just was it was, It's just it

968
00:59:49.000 --> 00:59:50.800
just was kind of a bummer for me. I just

969
00:59:50.840 --> 00:59:53.440
it was no fun. And yeah, most of them, I

970
00:59:53.480 --> 00:59:55.480
think season two I just loved for the most part,

971
00:59:55.519 --> 00:59:56.599
but this was one of the ones that it was

972
00:59:56.639 --> 00:59:58.920
just like, you know, no desire to see it again

973
00:59:59.480 --> 01:00:02.159
down if all we're watching the second time. Yes, not

974
01:00:02.280 --> 01:00:02.920
my kind of writing.

975
01:00:03.800 --> 01:00:08.039
It definitely was a nice nod to the cage having

976
01:00:08.159 --> 01:00:11.079
to go back to right or seven kinds of things,

977
01:00:11.159 --> 01:00:13.159
but that story could have probably been a lot better.

978
01:00:13.719 --> 01:00:17.559
Mm hmm, I agree, mh What do you think, Eric?

979
01:00:19.719 --> 01:00:21.840
I one hundred percent agree with Paul and I have

980
01:00:21.880 --> 01:00:22.760
nothing else to add.

981
01:00:27.360 --> 01:00:33.239
All right, Well, on that note, we'll move on, all right,

982
01:00:33.400 --> 01:00:34.360
roll the tape. David.

983
01:00:36.400 --> 01:00:39.599
Thank you to Proud. That must have been very difficult

984
01:00:39.679 --> 01:00:40.159
for you to.

985
01:00:40.159 --> 01:00:44.280
Say many fonts beyond the mind control.

986
01:00:44.760 --> 01:00:48.239
Your vulcan nature is diluted, so it must have been

987
01:00:48.320 --> 01:00:51.559
challenging to hold on to your logical side. I am

988
01:00:51.559 --> 01:00:58.320
impressed that you achieved this despite your handicap, because.

989
01:00:58.000 --> 01:01:00.239
It would have been impossible for a human to gone

990
01:01:00.280 --> 01:01:02.960
from this ritual successfully without question?

991
01:01:04.079 --> 01:01:05.119
What are you doing?

992
01:01:07.400 --> 01:01:07.480
So?

993
01:01:08.239 --> 01:01:10.599
It must be a great embarrassment to know that this

994
01:01:10.800 --> 01:01:14.400
entire ritual was performed by a human, not a folcan.

995
01:01:15.840 --> 01:01:17.480
Is this part of charades?

996
01:01:18.440 --> 01:01:21.000
How many syllables did this human use?

997
01:01:23.079 --> 01:01:24.159
I am the human.

998
01:01:34.000 --> 01:01:44.840
Spa all right with a fan score of nine point four.

999
01:01:45.920 --> 01:01:52.400
The episode follows Spock's journey, encompassing his human transformation, instances

1000
01:01:52.599 --> 01:01:58.440
of profanity, and unique engagement dinner the Vishall Dinner starts

1001
01:01:58.559 --> 01:02:03.639
with the printing in his and her parents, His experiences

1002
01:02:03.719 --> 01:02:08.920
profound emotional upheaval marked by uncontrolled laughter and intense hunger,

1003
01:02:09.440 --> 01:02:12.639
along challenges in his relationship with his mother in law.

1004
01:02:13.400 --> 01:02:18.280
The story further devolves as an interdimensional voyage where three

1005
01:02:18.360 --> 01:02:23.920
crew members endeavored to repair him through alien contact, accumulating

1006
01:02:23.960 --> 01:02:32.559
in Chapel's heartfelt confession of his of her feelings. Evey summaration,

1007
01:02:33.199 --> 01:02:37.960
Very good episode, very vulcan and seeing the human side up.

1008
01:02:37.960 --> 01:02:45.199
Spock and the well deserved nine point four for this one.

1009
01:02:47.239 --> 01:02:50.679
Yeah, I enjoyed. I had fun watching this one. You

1010
01:02:50.679 --> 01:02:52.920
know I loved I loved not the mother in law.

1011
01:02:53.000 --> 01:02:56.119
I thought the father in law stole the show myself.

1012
01:02:58.719 --> 01:03:02.000
You know, if if he could have, he would have

1013
01:03:02.000 --> 01:03:06.440
stood there and said yes, dear, yes, dear, yes dear,

1014
01:03:06.960 --> 01:03:09.760
because he pretty much agreed with everything that she said.

1015
01:03:10.079 --> 01:03:12.719
But I thought that he stole the show for me

1016
01:03:12.960 --> 01:03:16.039
in this episode. But I didn't. I enjoyed it overall though.

1017
01:03:16.039 --> 01:03:18.400
I thought it was a lot of fun. Definitely a

1018
01:03:18.400 --> 01:03:22.960
lot of fun and watching watching Spock and Chapel, it

1019
01:03:23.000 --> 01:03:27.159
was very enjoyable. I'm kind of with the minions on

1020
01:03:27.159 --> 01:03:30.519
this one myself. Nine point four, I mean, is.

1021
01:03:31.079 --> 01:03:34.960
Not one of the greatest strengths of Strange New Worlds

1022
01:03:35.599 --> 01:03:38.519
that we are in the era where Spock is figuring

1023
01:03:38.559 --> 01:03:42.199
out his identity, right, and so we get the opportunity.

1024
01:03:42.800 --> 01:03:46.159
We always had hints in tos of that sort of thing,

1025
01:03:46.480 --> 01:03:48.760
but in Strange New Worlds we actually get to explore

1026
01:03:48.880 --> 01:03:51.719
with him. So we get him doing things like not

1027
01:03:51.920 --> 01:03:55.079
just the cage laughing out loud, but like the you know,

1028
01:03:55.079 --> 01:03:59.519
because he's drugged, you know, him not being drugged and

1029
01:03:59.599 --> 01:04:02.280
laughing at out loud, or him exploring parts of his

1030
01:04:02.320 --> 01:04:05.320
personality or in this particular scene that we actually just

1031
01:04:05.400 --> 01:04:09.519
watched him actually standing up for himself in front of

1032
01:04:09.559 --> 01:04:12.960
his mother in law. Dude, can you like imagine a

1033
01:04:12.960 --> 01:04:16.360
more terrifying scenario than to be you know what, mother

1034
01:04:16.400 --> 01:04:18.599
in law? This is who I am, and take it

1035
01:04:18.679 --> 01:04:21.239
or leave it. And you know, to pring is like

1036
01:04:21.559 --> 01:04:23.320
you could tell she I mean, you could tell that

1037
01:04:23.360 --> 01:04:25.079
they weren't made for each other, because to bring the

1038
01:04:25.119 --> 01:04:28.280
whole time is like, spuck, I can't believe you're doing

1039
01:04:29.360 --> 01:04:32.559
That's what her face says. Yes, Charles, I.

1040
01:04:33.039 --> 01:04:36.760
Say, one of the scenes is hilarious. It's in suddenly

1041
01:04:37.119 --> 01:04:43.480
getting addicted to bacon. Oh yeah, and he just sits

1042
01:04:43.519 --> 01:04:45.239
there and can't stop eating it.

1043
01:04:47.119 --> 01:04:50.519
You know why, Charles, because bacon tastes good. Pork chops

1044
01:04:50.559 --> 01:04:51.199
taste good.

1045
01:04:53.639 --> 01:04:53.920
Right.

1046
01:04:55.440 --> 01:04:59.880
You get to see the extreme emotions and it just

1047
01:05:00.519 --> 01:05:03.440
the streaming emotions that spot feels.

1048
01:05:04.559 --> 01:05:06.039
And you know, I think it's one of the things

1049
01:05:06.079 --> 01:05:09.159
is you know, as we get used to this series, right,

1050
01:05:09.280 --> 01:05:11.760
you know, just starting its third season today, right, I

1051
01:05:11.800 --> 01:05:14.119
think one of the strengths of this show is there

1052
01:05:14.159 --> 01:05:17.760
more than any I think any other aspect of the

1053
01:05:17.760 --> 01:05:21.119
Star Trek franchises, these guys can pull off comedy when

1054
01:05:21.159 --> 01:05:23.480
they choose to write. I mean, they don't always do

1055
01:05:23.559 --> 01:05:26.679
it that often, but I think when they really have it,

1056
01:05:28.960 --> 01:05:31.239
I love that. You know, it's it's like when they

1057
01:05:31.280 --> 01:05:33.320
when they when they pull it off together and it's

1058
01:05:33.360 --> 01:05:35.880
not like cloying. You know. They've been a couple of

1059
01:05:36.000 --> 01:05:38.880
earlier attempts that I didn't think played as well. But

1060
01:05:39.039 --> 01:05:40.679
when this is a good example of it, I think

1061
01:05:40.719 --> 01:05:43.840
they can use comedy. And I would say the musical

1062
01:05:43.840 --> 01:05:47.039
episode too, is you know, really definitely handled right. And

1063
01:05:47.480 --> 01:05:50.920
he knew that Spock's in law future in laws were

1064
01:05:50.920 --> 01:05:53.239
from the Upper West Side. I had no idea, right,

1065
01:05:53.360 --> 01:05:59.280
I mean, they're just completely you know, no, no, I

1066
01:05:59.280 --> 01:06:01.400
mean like like like from the like you know, the

1067
01:06:01.440 --> 01:06:02.920
more culture.

1068
01:06:02.599 --> 01:06:04.840
Like, Oh well, I think you meant the accent.

1069
01:06:06.880 --> 01:06:09.199
In New York I'm talking to did you go to

1070
01:06:09.280 --> 01:06:14.079
Julliard's talk? You know, where are your people from? Do

1071
01:06:14.159 --> 01:06:16.480
they somewhere in the Hampton's And it's more like that

1072
01:06:16.559 --> 01:06:17.039
kind of you.

1073
01:06:17.079 --> 01:06:21.199
Know New York family. It is hilarious.

1074
01:06:21.840 --> 01:06:25.639
Well, and they also looked down. They looked down on him,

1075
01:06:25.840 --> 01:06:29.119
at least I got the impression that they're definitely he

1076
01:06:29.239 --> 01:06:32.559
is not the ideal son. In law because he's part

1077
01:06:32.679 --> 01:06:33.559
he's half human.

1078
01:06:34.320 --> 01:06:42.760
But it's kind of like your boyfriend is. Yeah, king

1079
01:06:42.920 --> 01:06:43.800
is less than ideal.

1080
01:06:44.719 --> 01:06:47.639
But the one, the one bit that made me laugh

1081
01:06:47.719 --> 01:06:51.760
out loud is when Stock, you know, is experiencing the

1082
01:06:51.800 --> 01:06:55.360
emotions and I think he I think he was in

1083
01:06:55.400 --> 01:06:59.000
his goes into his quarters and he grabs a pillow

1084
01:06:59.039 --> 01:07:02.960
and just screams into it and then puts it back down.

1085
01:07:03.320 --> 01:07:06.480
You know, Uh, like who knew that he has a

1086
01:07:06.599 --> 01:07:08.840
very human thing. Well, at least it is for me

1087
01:07:09.000 --> 01:07:13.840
to scream into a pillow so nobody hears you, but

1088
01:07:15.199 --> 01:07:17.679
you get all those emotions out.

1089
01:07:18.280 --> 01:07:21.280
It's amazing how much humor you can put into an

1090
01:07:21.280 --> 01:07:24.760
episode full of bokens that have no motion.

1091
01:07:25.360 --> 01:07:28.599
Oh and and Ethan Ethan Peck. I just the more

1092
01:07:28.639 --> 01:07:30.920
I watch him, the more I love him. I mean

1093
01:07:30.960 --> 01:07:34.119
not just not just because he comes from you know,

1094
01:07:34.199 --> 01:07:38.840
Hollywood royalty, with his grandfather being Gregory Peck, but he

1095
01:07:38.840 --> 01:07:43.000
he's got he's got the chops for for that role. Definitely.

1096
01:07:47.239 --> 01:07:51.280
All right, David, you have episode six, buddy.

1097
01:07:52.199 --> 01:07:53.920
All right, here's here.

1098
01:07:54.000 --> 01:07:58.239
Gosh, I think I think it's.

1099
01:08:00.159 --> 01:08:00.960
Ramona.

1100
01:08:03.719 --> 01:08:06.159
It was damaged to the language center of his brain.

1101
01:08:07.159 --> 01:08:10.239
My brain stands elevated activity in the same spot, and

1102
01:08:10.320 --> 01:08:15.920
we were both hearing that thing sound, someone or some

1103
01:08:16.279 --> 01:08:19.119
things trying to communicate them.

1104
01:08:19.159 --> 01:08:24.520
What are they trying to say?

1105
01:08:25.199 --> 01:08:30.319
The walls doesn't mean because they feel trust I was

1106
01:08:30.399 --> 01:08:36.319
attacking the still because we are responsible. He showed me

1107
01:08:36.399 --> 01:08:39.359
the ship exploding, because they're just what's a great free

1108
01:08:39.479 --> 01:08:47.960
but we're killing them, killing the ones they love, and

1109
01:08:48.000 --> 01:08:49.520
that's what they're making me feel.

1110
01:08:51.800 --> 01:08:55.159
All right, So this is definitely a Halloween episode called

1111
01:08:55.239 --> 01:08:59.359
loss in translation, uh Ah seems to be the only

1112
01:08:59.439 --> 01:09:02.279
one who can hear a strange sound that seemed to

1113
01:09:02.279 --> 01:09:07.840
trigger terrifying hallucinations. So the permise of this episode was

1114
01:09:07.920 --> 01:09:10.039
an interesting one that I thought was kind of a

1115
01:09:10.920 --> 01:09:16.359
Halloween episode because of course hallucinations got Bruce Horror back,

1116
01:09:16.399 --> 01:09:20.119
who's a zombie, and you got all these different things

1117
01:09:20.159 --> 01:09:22.720
that have been going on on the ship that nobody

1118
01:09:22.720 --> 01:09:28.199
else seems to know except for her. But yet there

1119
01:09:28.279 --> 01:09:32.119
was some other guy who apparently died in some sort

1120
01:09:32.159 --> 01:09:36.880
of the catwalk of the Michelle the discarship, and Horror

1121
01:09:36.880 --> 01:09:39.880
felt so super bad about that. Okay, you know, she

1122
01:09:40.000 --> 01:09:41.239
was trying to shave them and everything.

1123
01:09:41.319 --> 01:09:43.159
But to me, this.

1124
01:09:43.239 --> 01:09:50.279
Episode kind of has a a nod to like, of course,

1125
01:09:53.840 --> 01:09:55.840
a lot of the horror movies that I don't really

1126
01:09:55.840 --> 01:10:01.159
like to watch, but just the idea that, uh, seeing

1127
01:10:01.319 --> 01:10:04.760
hallucination of things that you think are real is scary

1128
01:10:04.840 --> 01:10:08.520
enough to think that you're doing going haywire and make

1129
01:10:08.640 --> 01:10:12.479
me feel like you're crazy. That that alone, to me

1130
01:10:12.800 --> 01:10:15.000
is like, oh, man, I don't think i'd ever want

1131
01:10:15.039 --> 01:10:17.199
to hearence something like that, because you know, she was

1132
01:10:17.279 --> 01:10:20.039
pointing out the language sector of the brain which kind

1133
01:10:20.039 --> 01:10:24.159
of burnt out, so oh yeah, you know, she can

1134
01:10:24.279 --> 01:10:28.680
hear things even we can't. So she's just like understanding

1135
01:10:28.720 --> 01:10:33.840
slowly about what these particular aliens who live in the

1136
01:10:33.880 --> 01:10:40.239
Nebula that apparently they were shiphening deterium fuel or warp fuel,

1137
01:10:40.279 --> 01:10:44.439
I guess. And to me that the structure for some

1138
01:10:44.479 --> 01:10:48.520
odd reason looks like the Sona from the Next Generation

1139
01:10:48.840 --> 01:10:53.560
the Generation movie I forgot what to call.

1140
01:10:53.920 --> 01:11:00.640
But generations or was it in direction to something?

1141
01:11:00.760 --> 01:11:01.159
That's right?

1142
01:11:01.319 --> 01:11:06.399
Yeah, so I mean just the structure of it. But

1143
01:11:06.399 --> 01:11:12.720
but yeah, eventually uhuh finds out that they were apparently

1144
01:11:12.880 --> 01:11:15.159
killing the aliens that were inside the Nebula, and so

1145
01:11:15.359 --> 01:11:18.520
to me, I was like yeah, kind of an interesting episode.

1146
01:11:19.560 --> 01:11:23.279
It didn't get quite a fan score a lot of

1147
01:11:23.319 --> 01:11:26.239
the other ones, but to me, I felt like this

1148
01:11:26.279 --> 01:11:29.560
one had an interesting story, it was unique in a way.

1149
01:11:29.680 --> 01:11:32.119
But I mean, I'm it's definitely not my favorite, but

1150
01:11:33.079 --> 01:11:37.199
definitely up there with a lot of them. But yeah,

1151
01:11:37.399 --> 01:11:38.640
that might take on it.

1152
01:11:40.960 --> 01:11:43.560
Where'd you think Eric one of your favorites.

1153
01:11:44.079 --> 01:11:46.800
I think that they wanted to write a really good

1154
01:11:46.840 --> 01:11:50.039
story about Uhura, and I think they struggled to figure

1155
01:11:50.039 --> 01:11:52.439
out how to do that, and I think that it

1156
01:11:52.520 --> 01:11:55.079
is kind of, you know, it's a hard thing to

1157
01:11:55.279 --> 01:11:58.920
like how can you take this like very idiosyncratic skill

1158
01:11:59.199 --> 01:12:02.039
and represent it on screen? So there was some stuff

1159
01:12:02.079 --> 01:12:04.880
that I liked about the episode, for sure. There are

1160
01:12:04.920 --> 01:12:07.920
some ties into one of my favorite episodes of Voyager

1161
01:12:08.079 --> 01:12:12.239
Equinox that are pretty obvious, with the killing the things

1162
01:12:12.600 --> 01:12:15.680
while you're trying to do the thing, you know. But yeah,

1163
01:12:15.760 --> 01:12:18.800
this was for me, one of the two weakest episodes

1164
01:12:18.840 --> 01:12:19.479
of the season.

1165
01:12:19.840 --> 01:12:20.399
For sure.

1166
01:12:20.840 --> 01:12:23.760
I wanted to really like it because it was about Uhua,

1167
01:12:23.800 --> 01:12:27.720
who I think is an amazing character, but yeah, yeah,

1168
01:12:27.880 --> 01:12:29.720
just a little subpar for me.

1169
01:12:31.159 --> 01:12:34.079
Well, Zombie Hammer really really.

1170
01:12:35.520 --> 01:12:39.199
That was actually like okay, so Bruce Wax awesome. Zombie

1171
01:12:39.239 --> 01:12:43.560
hemmer in theory is awesome. That moment literally pulled me

1172
01:12:43.640 --> 01:12:46.960
right out of the episode, Like I didn't think it

1173
01:12:47.079 --> 01:12:48.159
was that great.

1174
01:12:48.520 --> 01:12:50.680
Well, I mean if they were dancing the thriller Michael

1175
01:12:50.760 --> 01:13:01.119
Jackson the musical. But yeah, Hammer, Hammer was my favorite.

1176
01:13:01.119 --> 01:13:03.560
I loved seeing Hammer. What do you think, Paul, did

1177
01:13:03.600 --> 01:13:04.039
you like it?

1178
01:13:05.000 --> 01:13:05.159
No?

1179
01:13:05.319 --> 01:13:05.840
Hate it?

1180
01:13:07.039 --> 01:13:07.640
Okay?

1181
01:13:09.000 --> 01:13:11.239
Is exactly right. This is one of the two episodes

1182
01:13:11.239 --> 01:13:13.600
of the season that I just you know, nice effort,

1183
01:13:13.720 --> 01:13:16.439
trying really hard, but it's just abstract and I seem

1184
01:13:16.479 --> 01:13:18.640
to recall I have no desire to watch this one again.

1185
01:13:18.640 --> 01:13:21.600
I seem to call the direction was not on this

1186
01:13:21.680 --> 01:13:25.560
one at all. And you know, I mean, the prosthetic

1187
01:13:25.600 --> 01:13:30.079
makeup is no in recognizing the former member of the

1188
01:13:30.159 --> 01:13:33.399
the This is no substitute for good writing. And so

1189
01:13:33.560 --> 01:13:36.640
this is just not a great episode. So much more

1190
01:13:36.680 --> 01:13:38.359
interesting talking about the next episode of the Q.

1191
01:13:39.840 --> 01:13:42.560
Speaking of which, Roll the Tape, David.

1192
01:13:45.319 --> 01:13:47.760
So Ritos has just entered the orbit of Krollmouth B,

1193
01:13:48.159 --> 01:13:50.239
home of the Krolmouth B Portal, one.

1194
01:13:50.079 --> 01:13:51.640
Of my all time favorite portals.

1195
01:13:51.800 --> 01:13:54.520
We're taking portal readings and making sure the portal area

1196
01:13:54.600 --> 01:13:55.079
is free.

1197
01:13:54.880 --> 01:13:55.920
Of any portal problems.

1198
01:13:56.079 --> 01:13:56.920
It was discovered by.

1199
01:14:00.600 --> 01:14:02.239
Imagine what it must have been like to be with

1200
01:14:02.279 --> 01:14:04.600
those experienceance, Hey Butler.

1201
01:14:04.439 --> 01:14:08.039
Like, give me a spot both, Oh yeah, long and prospers.

1202
01:14:10.920 --> 01:14:13.520
Guys, the ancient thing is doing a thing.

1203
01:14:16.239 --> 01:14:26.199
The portals, trying to portal one more.

1204
01:14:32.720 --> 01:14:38.520
Hush huh, you guys look.

1205
01:14:41.720 --> 01:14:51.159
Very realistic, all right, Charles, take it away, buddy, Okay.

1206
01:14:50.159 --> 01:14:52.520
And I think I know why Paul wants to talk

1207
01:14:52.560 --> 01:14:56.479
about this one. With a fan score of nine point

1208
01:14:56.560 --> 01:15:03.720
two with an animated with a unique animated intro featuring

1209
01:15:03.720 --> 01:15:08.760
a Lowerjeck theme. Brad Boimler travels through a portal, landing

1210
01:15:08.920 --> 01:15:14.920
on the Enterprise. He's concerned he's influenced Spock, who was

1211
01:15:15.079 --> 01:15:19.920
now zibiting more human traits. Oriyan sees a portal and

1212
01:15:19.960 --> 01:15:24.199
then trade it for grain. Beckett Mariner also rides via

1213
01:15:24.239 --> 01:15:28.880
the portal. Boimler and Mariner assist in locating a power

1214
01:15:28.960 --> 01:15:32.920
source on the Enterprise. Boiler confesses it to number one.

1215
01:15:33.039 --> 01:15:39.159
He possesses Herbert recruitment poster at aspara, per at astro

1216
01:15:39.319 --> 01:15:42.479
per aspara.

1217
01:15:46.319 --> 01:15:52.840
That's the summary. So Paul, why don't you what did

1218
01:15:52.840 --> 01:15:55.279
you think about this episode. Did you agree with our

1219
01:15:55.439 --> 01:15:57.520
minion score on this one? Buddy?

1220
01:15:58.239 --> 01:16:01.800
This is I think Strange World's at its best. Okay,

1221
01:16:02.119 --> 01:16:03.800
every now and then I see once or twice a

1222
01:16:03.880 --> 01:16:06.920
year they try to do something really different, right, Like

1223
01:16:07.039 --> 01:16:09.520
the musical episode we're gonna talking about just a little bit, right,

1224
01:16:09.560 --> 01:16:12.600
but this was great. I mean the Lower Decks at It's,

1225
01:16:13.960 --> 01:16:16.840
you know, is an inconsistent show, right. Sometimes it's really

1226
01:16:16.880 --> 01:16:19.439
really funny and just brilliant, and other times it's kind

1227
01:16:19.479 --> 01:16:23.680
of like, you know, it's it's finding its way. But

1228
01:16:23.800 --> 01:16:25.880
this was phenomenal. They took what could have been a

1229
01:16:25.880 --> 01:16:28.880
really catchy idea. I remember a year in advance we

1230
01:16:28.960 --> 01:16:30.640
read about this and I was just like, I was

1231
01:16:30.720 --> 01:16:32.640
kind of like Uncle Jim with the musical episode, right,

1232
01:16:32.720 --> 01:16:37.359
I'm like, oh, combining lower decks and having the cartoons

1233
01:16:37.399 --> 01:16:39.960
uppear on the show. I go, that's that's gonna suck.

1234
01:16:40.279 --> 01:16:44.479
I was like, really super not looking forward to this

1235
01:16:44.520 --> 01:16:46.800
episode at all, and I could not have been happier

1236
01:16:46.840 --> 01:16:47.520
to be proved wrong.

1237
01:16:47.640 --> 01:16:47.760
Right.

1238
01:16:47.800 --> 01:16:51.520
I thought, this is an absolutely charming episode. The writing

1239
01:16:51.600 --> 01:16:55.439
was top tier, it was clever, it was funny, and

1240
01:16:55.920 --> 01:17:01.239
it was full of these great as Boemler is like

1241
01:17:01.399 --> 01:17:05.399
recognizing folks that he's read about from history and trying

1242
01:17:05.399 --> 01:17:09.039
not to screw up the timeline and you know, fanboying

1243
01:17:09.359 --> 01:17:12.159
him like it's somebody at a convention, right, everybody meets

1244
01:17:12.159 --> 01:17:14.560
and he's just trying so hard not to screw things up,

1245
01:17:14.600 --> 01:17:18.680
but his enthusiasm is just boundless. It's just this is

1246
01:17:18.720 --> 01:17:22.399
a really clever episode, a great writing, and it just

1247
01:17:22.479 --> 01:17:26.199
made me like Lower Decks ten times more because of

1248
01:17:26.319 --> 01:17:29.000
how engaging these performances were. This is an episode that

1249
01:17:29.000 --> 01:17:32.399
shouldn't work and it works beautifully because it's just everybody

1250
01:17:32.439 --> 01:17:34.800
involved just really brought their a game and they tried

1251
01:17:34.840 --> 01:17:37.239
something different and they worked it and it was just great.

1252
01:17:37.279 --> 01:17:38.560
So I love this episode.

1253
01:17:40.119 --> 01:17:42.319
Yeah, it makes me think that they could do a

1254
01:17:42.359 --> 01:17:46.880
Lower Decks live action movie if they wanted. The Yes

1255
01:17:47.039 --> 01:17:50.560
think about this episode being our wearing the Cerritos.

1256
01:17:50.720 --> 01:17:54.359
Yeah yeah, I am team Ritos. Yes, this I think

1257
01:17:54.399 --> 01:17:56.520
it should have gotten the higher score. That's just me.

1258
01:17:57.159 --> 01:18:00.319
I would have I rated it a ten. No, it

1259
01:18:00.359 --> 01:18:03.159
was just it was very well done. It was so clever,

1260
01:18:03.319 --> 01:18:08.359
and the fact that Tawny Newsome and Jack Quaid looked

1261
01:18:08.520 --> 01:18:14.359
so much like the animated characters was just was awesome.

1262
01:18:14.399 --> 01:18:17.479
He even had the purple hair. And there's one scene

1263
01:18:17.520 --> 01:18:19.560
you'd see it, just you don't, you have to watch

1264
01:18:19.640 --> 01:18:22.880
for it, but he's doing the section thirty one walk

1265
01:18:24.680 --> 01:18:29.600
down the corridor. But you know they bring in, you know,

1266
01:18:29.600 --> 01:18:32.920
when they meet the Orions, and so we have a friend,

1267
01:18:33.239 --> 01:18:36.520
you know in our timeline named Tendy, but we call

1268
01:18:36.600 --> 01:18:40.119
her the Mistress of the Winter Constellation. And that just

1269
01:18:40.199 --> 01:18:43.720
makes the whole thing, you know, the dangerous scenario with

1270
01:18:43.800 --> 01:18:49.159
the Orion's just totally work out. But the fact that

1271
01:18:50.720 --> 01:18:55.680
when they're back in the animated version and then Ransom

1272
01:18:56.359 --> 01:19:02.039
is looking at Boemler's poster of and he you know,

1273
01:19:02.159 --> 01:19:04.720
the joke, the inside joke there is when he said, oh,

1274
01:19:04.800 --> 01:19:08.159
she looks great, basically, and the joke is, of course

1275
01:19:08.199 --> 01:19:13.079
that Jerry O'Connell in real life is married to Rebecca Romaine.

1276
01:19:13.359 --> 01:19:16.600
So I like that little little tie in. And then

1277
01:19:16.600 --> 01:19:21.159
when they animated the Strange New World's people at the end,

1278
01:19:21.840 --> 01:19:26.640
because they were drinking those what was it, whatever the

1279
01:19:26.720 --> 01:19:30.680
drink was that Mariner made for them and they're hallucinating.

1280
01:19:31.199 --> 01:19:34.159
That was just that was just top tier. I agree

1281
01:19:34.199 --> 01:19:39.039
with everybody. That was just absolutely my favorite and I'll

1282
01:19:39.079 --> 01:19:40.119
watch it over and over.

1283
01:19:41.640 --> 01:19:43.920
Eric, what about you, buddy? Did you like it? You

1284
01:19:44.000 --> 01:19:45.079
agree with dominions?

1285
01:19:45.680 --> 01:19:47.359
Yeah, I mean I think V hit the nail on

1286
01:19:47.399 --> 01:19:49.680
the head there where. This is an episode that I

1287
01:19:49.760 --> 01:19:52.640
want to watch over and over and over again. I

1288
01:19:52.640 --> 01:19:55.239
feel like I could watch this episode six, eight, ten

1289
01:19:55.319 --> 01:19:58.119
times and I wouldn't get sick of it. And there

1290
01:19:58.199 --> 01:20:01.800
are very few episodes of Strange New Worlds where that

1291
01:20:02.000 --> 01:20:04.399
is true. And maybe it's because this one is a

1292
01:20:04.399 --> 01:20:07.119
little bit more lower decks and I will watch Lowers

1293
01:20:07.479 --> 01:20:11.359
over and over again. But yeah, this is absolutely top tier,

1294
01:20:11.479 --> 01:20:13.880
one of the two best episodes. I put it only

1295
01:20:14.560 --> 01:20:16.880
slightly below the one that I just said was my favorite,

1296
01:20:17.439 --> 01:20:23.479
But the the number of jokes per minute and the

1297
01:20:23.640 --> 01:20:27.600
quality of the jokes per minute was fantastic. I love

1298
01:20:27.640 --> 01:20:33.359
it when Boimler goes into like Pike's office and there's

1299
01:20:33.479 --> 01:20:38.560
this saddle and he like throws his leg over the

1300
01:20:38.600 --> 01:20:43.600
saddle as his ricker, like, yes, yes, that is the

1301
01:20:43.640 --> 01:20:45.439
Riker maneuver. I don't know if you remember, not, Jim,

1302
01:20:45.479 --> 01:20:48.119
but I have performed the Riker maneuver on stage. You've

1303
01:20:48.119 --> 01:20:50.239
got a lot of respect for it before, so.

1304
01:20:52.239 --> 01:20:56.920
Did our podcast, our podcast panel. You did the Riker maneuver.

1305
01:20:57.039 --> 01:20:59.720
I did do the Riker maneuver, and instantly people were

1306
01:21:00.239 --> 01:21:02.800
in the palm of my hand. So, yeah, this is fantastic,

1307
01:21:03.760 --> 01:21:06.760
Strange New World's absolutely at its best. Loved it.

1308
01:21:07.439 --> 01:21:09.399
What do you think, Charles, you recommend it?

1309
01:21:10.319 --> 01:21:10.520
Oh?

1310
01:21:10.600 --> 01:21:14.960
Definitely. I watched it today and I had forgotten parts

1311
01:21:15.039 --> 01:21:19.199
the episode and realized, Man, this was a great episode

1312
01:21:20.760 --> 01:21:25.800
and just the great work they did with it.

1313
01:21:28.319 --> 01:21:29.800
Bring up the caboos.

1314
01:21:30.319 --> 01:21:32.399
Yeah, this episode was definitely my favorite out of the

1315
01:21:32.439 --> 01:21:36.000
season two. So I would watch it over and over

1316
01:21:36.000 --> 01:21:37.279
and I too would give it a ten.

1317
01:21:37.439 --> 01:21:40.760
So yeah, well, you know, it's it's odd because the

1318
01:21:40.840 --> 01:21:44.479
last three episodes of the season all scored extremely high

1319
01:21:44.520 --> 01:21:48.319
by the Minions, which brings us up to episode eight,

1320
01:21:48.600 --> 01:21:49.520
Roll the Tape.

1321
01:21:49.600 --> 01:21:54.039
David the Enterprise has arrived at the Prospero system for

1322
01:21:54.119 --> 01:21:56.439
rendezvous with the Kelsey May in order to pick up

1323
01:21:56.479 --> 01:22:01.000
a special visitor. Prospero has been under start jurisdiction since

1324
01:22:01.039 --> 01:22:04.000
the end of the Klingon War. After years of in fighting,

1325
01:22:04.319 --> 01:22:08.239
all three planets have finally reached a ceasefire agreement negotiated

1326
01:22:08.279 --> 01:22:12.920
by a unique Federation ambassador. Enterprise has been tasked with

1327
01:22:13.000 --> 01:22:16.880
transporting the ambassador to Starbase twelve. Our order should make

1328
01:22:16.960 --> 01:22:23.880
him feel welcome. However, our esteem guest is a Klingon,

1329
01:22:25.439 --> 01:22:28.640
a former general who defected to our side. Most of

1330
01:22:28.680 --> 01:22:31.640
my crew didn't fight in the war, but some did

1331
01:22:32.359 --> 01:22:34.680
the siege at starby Zeta Athos.

1332
01:22:37.399 --> 01:22:40.000
I didn't mean to hit a nerd Okay, you're right.

1333
01:22:40.760 --> 01:22:42.880
I don't really know what he's about.

1334
01:22:42.880 --> 01:22:45.159
All I know is the stories like that he killed

1335
01:22:45.159 --> 01:22:46.640
his own men to cover his retreat.

1336
01:22:46.920 --> 01:22:49.640
There's a reason other Klingons call him the Butcher of Jagaul.

1337
01:22:49.880 --> 01:22:51.479
Captain on the Bridge.

1338
01:22:52.720 --> 01:22:56.399
All right, Well, obviously I got this episode and you'll

1339
01:22:56.439 --> 01:23:00.720
never guess why. Was one of those Klingon centric episodes.

1340
01:23:01.119 --> 01:23:04.199
Episode eight, Under the Cloak of War, Captain Pike and

1341
01:23:04.239 --> 01:23:07.760
his crew welcome a Klingon defector aboard the Enterprise, but

1342
01:23:07.880 --> 01:23:11.640
his presence triggers the revelation of some shocking secrets. Our

1343
01:23:11.800 --> 01:23:16.560
minions gave it a nine point nine, and I'm right

1344
01:23:16.600 --> 01:23:19.199
there with them, and I would have given it a ten.

1345
01:23:20.039 --> 01:23:22.800
But I think I think Eric and I discussed this

1346
01:23:23.079 --> 01:23:25.840
in depth when we first saw it. I really think

1347
01:23:25.880 --> 01:23:28.520
that they made a big mistake and they missed an

1348
01:23:28.560 --> 01:23:32.319
opportunity to show us Discovery Klingons. They should have been

1349
01:23:32.439 --> 01:23:37.520
Discovery Klingons, but they went with the old classic Klingon instead,

1350
01:23:37.680 --> 01:23:40.279
And at this point in time, the Klingon War was

1351
01:23:40.359 --> 01:23:43.119
raging and they should have been Discovery Klingons. But you

1352
01:23:43.159 --> 01:23:50.239
know that aside outstanding outstanding episode, it deals with a

1353
01:23:50.319 --> 01:23:57.560
lot of things prejudice basically, you know, was this guy

1354
01:23:57.640 --> 01:24:01.479
telling the truth? We find out he wasn't. Did am

1355
01:24:01.520 --> 01:24:05.960
Benga kill him? Uh? Well, we had that debate on

1356
01:24:06.000 --> 01:24:06.600
the podcast.

1357
01:24:06.680 --> 01:24:09.359
I'm pretty sure the answer is yes, is what we decided.

1358
01:24:09.399 --> 01:24:11.680
But yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, they left that

1359
01:24:11.800 --> 01:24:13.520
up to us to decide, and I think that's the

1360
01:24:13.560 --> 01:24:16.199
mark of a great episode. I think Star Trek did

1361
01:24:16.239 --> 01:24:19.159
that so well with Tos and it's like it's up

1362
01:24:19.159 --> 01:24:21.439
to you to decide, you know, did he or didn't he?

1363
01:24:21.560 --> 01:24:25.479
I think that he did myself. But that's what makes

1364
01:24:25.479 --> 01:24:28.079
this episode work so well, is so powerful as they

1365
01:24:28.079 --> 01:24:32.880
show you everybody's opinion, what everybody thought, how everybody felt. Uh,

1366
01:24:32.920 --> 01:24:34.439
they lay it all out for you and they leave

1367
01:24:34.439 --> 01:24:36.680
it to you, as a fan to decide what actually happens.

1368
01:24:36.720 --> 01:24:40.279
So I'm with the fans on this one. Nine point

1369
01:24:40.359 --> 01:24:43.039
nine all the way, how about you, Paul.

1370
01:24:43.960 --> 01:24:46.039
Oh yeah, I mean one of the best episodes of

1371
01:24:46.079 --> 01:24:48.399
the season. You know, it's just like not to be

1372
01:24:48.760 --> 01:24:53.119
uncertain that my Benga did what we think is to

1373
01:24:53.199 --> 01:24:56.239
be uncertain that Norman Bates dresses up as his mother.

1374
01:24:56.520 --> 01:24:58.159
I mean, you know, there's really not a lot of

1375
01:24:58.239 --> 01:25:01.520
ambiguity here, but it was done really definitely right, and

1376
01:25:02.680 --> 01:25:05.800
the show succeeds really well. I'll talk about this later

1377
01:25:07.239 --> 01:25:10.039
about not insulting your intelligence most of the time, which

1378
01:25:10.079 --> 01:25:12.720
is just refreshing. They don't hit you over the head.

1379
01:25:13.039 --> 01:25:14.880
But this was great. This was a story, This is

1380
01:25:14.920 --> 01:25:17.680
a this is a PTSD episode, if you will, right,

1381
01:25:17.720 --> 01:25:20.800
this is all about the aftermath of war. Right. We've

1382
01:25:20.800 --> 01:25:24.479
heard a little bit about the Klingon war smatteringly throughout

1383
01:25:24.720 --> 01:25:26.399
various parts of the franchise, but I don't know if

1384
01:25:26.399 --> 01:25:29.039
we really had a really good look at it from

1385
01:25:29.079 --> 01:25:31.199
a survivor's vantage point like we did veing here. We

1386
01:25:31.279 --> 01:25:34.960
learned a lot of things about the Benga and and

1387
01:25:35.039 --> 01:25:38.000
other you know, folks on the ship who've served. We

1388
01:25:38.159 --> 01:25:40.880
learned a lot about the Klingons and uh and just

1389
01:25:40.880 --> 01:25:44.920
the moral ambiguity, and and the fact that there's people

1390
01:25:44.960 --> 01:25:47.640
who you know, think back to like Kotos the executioner

1391
01:25:47.720 --> 01:25:50.239
from Conscience of the King and the original series, right,

1392
01:25:50.800 --> 01:25:54.439
people who've done bad things and are still trying to

1393
01:25:54.479 --> 01:25:58.359
like you know, make their way through the world and

1394
01:25:58.479 --> 01:26:02.239
sleep at night, right one means or another. So really

1395
01:26:02.279 --> 01:26:05.359
great writing, excellent turn by the guest star as the

1396
01:26:05.600 --> 01:26:08.560
US it cling on here and just again just flight

1397
01:26:08.600 --> 01:26:12.039
writing and and and it's nice to see, you know,

1398
01:26:12.239 --> 01:26:15.039
we're just talking about how well they do comedy, right,

1399
01:26:15.359 --> 01:26:17.640
and they can just you know flip so definitely and

1400
01:26:17.640 --> 01:26:19.399
come over here a couple of weeks later and do

1401
01:26:19.600 --> 01:26:24.039
a really serious, you know, traumatic story about the aftermath

1402
01:26:24.079 --> 01:26:27.720
of war. Right. That's that's playing for a pretty deep bench.

1403
01:26:27.960 --> 01:26:30.039
So I really got to give it up to these guys.

1404
01:26:30.359 --> 01:26:31.359
Dynamite episode.

1405
01:26:32.720 --> 01:26:35.359
Yeah, Paul, your comparison to Conscience of the King, I

1406
01:26:35.399 --> 01:26:36.600
think is very poignant.

1407
01:26:36.640 --> 01:26:36.960
Here.

1408
01:26:37.560 --> 01:26:40.920
You see a klingon here at General right, who first

1409
01:26:40.920 --> 01:26:43.319
appears to be like trying to make up for past

1410
01:26:43.359 --> 01:26:46.399
transgressions and stuff, which is of course what that TOS

1411
01:26:46.439 --> 01:26:51.640
episode is all about. And the sheer tension that is

1412
01:26:51.680 --> 01:26:54.760
in this episode from the very beginning and you feel

1413
01:26:54.800 --> 01:26:56.399
the tension through the whole thing. I mean just that

1414
01:26:56.479 --> 01:26:59.479
scene that we rolled right there. You see everybody's face,

1415
01:27:00.159 --> 01:27:03.439
even even Pike's log. You know, he's like mack mucmough.

1416
01:27:03.520 --> 01:27:07.000
We're getting this guy, but he's a klingon, you know.

1417
01:27:07.479 --> 01:27:10.800
I mean that's kind of racist, but like you also

1418
01:27:10.960 --> 01:27:14.199
understand it because they just went through a war with them,

1419
01:27:14.279 --> 01:27:17.960
So that tie back to Discovery is really cool since

1420
01:27:18.000 --> 01:27:20.520
that is literally the genesis of Strange New Worlds in

1421
01:27:20.560 --> 01:27:25.159
and of itself. Yeah, fantastic episode, absolutely top tier. One

1422
01:27:25.199 --> 01:27:27.720
of my top three from the season. Wow, top four.

1423
01:27:28.359 --> 01:27:31.159
There's so many good ones. Top four this season for me.

1424
01:27:32.000 --> 01:27:34.199
Yeah, I remember going back and watching this the second

1425
01:27:34.279 --> 01:27:36.159
time and I was just like, check it out if

1426
01:27:36.159 --> 01:27:38.039
you have it for a while. But the direction is

1427
01:27:38.159 --> 01:27:42.159
just crisp. I mean, it is just spot on the editing.

1428
01:27:42.279 --> 01:27:45.079
There's not a wasted moment. It's just you know, every

1429
01:27:45.119 --> 01:27:49.159
scene's written very specifically, nothing drags on too long. You

1430
01:27:49.239 --> 01:27:51.000
get just enough information and you get a lot of

1431
01:27:51.039 --> 01:27:53.520
those kind of like whoa moment reveals like the person

1432
01:27:53.720 --> 01:27:56.199
you know for or Tegus to be saying he was

1433
01:27:56.279 --> 01:27:57.319
called the butcher up.

1434
01:27:58.720 --> 01:28:00.399
Is like dude, that's right.

1435
01:28:01.720 --> 01:28:04.600
I mean that could be really funny in the right

1436
01:28:04.680 --> 01:28:06.840
in the you know, different context, right, but the way

1437
01:28:06.880 --> 01:28:11.159
they play it, it's just mortified, right because it's like, so

1438
01:28:11.319 --> 01:28:14.760
it was just great. You've got to just love what

1439
01:28:14.760 --> 01:28:17.479
they're able. They're able to just you know, pivot and

1440
01:28:17.600 --> 01:28:20.479
have such different tones from one episode to the other.

1441
01:28:20.479 --> 01:28:21.840
So I love this episode.

1442
01:28:25.800 --> 01:28:28.520
Yes, it's It's definitely one of my favorites for sure.

1443
01:28:29.680 --> 01:28:30.359
For sure.

1444
01:28:31.279 --> 01:28:34.680
All Right, well, David, roll the tape because this next one,

1445
01:28:34.680 --> 01:28:37.800
I think is going to get a lot communication opposers.

1446
01:28:37.880 --> 01:28:42.159
Law start a two three nine eight point three traveling in.

1447
01:28:42.119 --> 01:28:44.840
The far edge of the alphapadrant, and we have encountered.

1448
01:28:44.439 --> 01:28:52.199
An unusual phenomenon and naturally occurring subspace bowld. Lieutenant's Bock

1449
01:28:52.199 --> 01:28:54.560
deposits it can be used to triple the speed of

1450
01:28:54.600 --> 01:28:59.000
subspace communications in this sector, but his experiment requires so

1451
01:28:59.119 --> 01:29:01.239
much computer power that the rest of the ship has

1452
01:29:01.279 --> 01:29:02.000
to communicate.

1453
01:29:02.880 --> 01:29:07.880
Healing frequency is open old fashion engineering. Are you ready

1454
01:29:07.920 --> 01:29:10.560
to continue our experiment? Yes, Lieutenant Momentary.

1455
01:29:15.479 --> 01:29:18.520
Have you tried sending music through we have not?

1456
01:29:19.199 --> 01:29:21.399
Do you believe music may yeldated results?

1457
01:29:21.399 --> 01:29:22.600
Old days A.

1458
01:29:22.680 --> 01:29:26.880
Glimpse of Stockton was looked on something shocking but knocking.

1459
01:29:28.760 --> 01:29:30.000
Anything.

1460
01:29:36.439 --> 01:29:39.840
Okay, Eric, you get this, will take it away. It's

1461
01:29:39.880 --> 01:29:41.399
all your show now.

1462
01:29:41.880 --> 01:29:43.119
I will take it.

1463
01:29:44.239 --> 01:29:44.439
Yeah.

1464
01:29:44.680 --> 01:29:50.079
So wow. Talk about riskiest episodes of Star Trek ever, this,

1465
01:29:50.159 --> 01:29:55.560
of course is Subspace Rhapsody episode nine. The USS Enterprise investigates,

1466
01:29:55.640 --> 01:30:00.000
as says, a naturally occurring subspace fold, hoping spots experien

1467
01:30:00.279 --> 01:30:04.079
will enhance faster than light communications. But when she broadcasts

1468
01:30:04.079 --> 01:30:08.199
coal porters, anything goes through it. A quantum probability field

1469
01:30:08.359 --> 01:30:13.079
envelops the ship and soon the fleet, forcing everyone to

1470
01:30:13.279 --> 01:30:17.760
burst into song and dance, expressing their deepest emotions as

1471
01:30:17.800 --> 01:30:21.000
if in a musical. Amid this surreal chaos, Number one

1472
01:30:21.039 --> 01:30:24.680
in Kirk perform a heartfelt duet connect to Your Truth,

1473
01:30:25.039 --> 01:30:28.760
while Ann confronts her unresolved feelings for Kirk, how would

1474
01:30:28.800 --> 01:30:33.560
that feel? Spock and Chapel have emotional solos that underscore

1475
01:30:33.600 --> 01:30:38.800
their burgeoning relationship and its inevitable end. The anomaly spreads

1476
01:30:38.800 --> 01:30:42.319
beyond the Enterprise, even engulfing Klingon ships, complete with a

1477
01:30:42.319 --> 01:30:45.520
delightfully absurd K pop style dance which we already looked

1478
01:30:45.520 --> 01:30:52.760
at by Bruce Hoax. Klingon General garak Our, Garkock, Garkog. Ultimately,

1479
01:30:52.800 --> 01:30:56.239
the crew unites in a powerful ensemble finale called We

1480
01:30:56.359 --> 01:30:59.960
Are One to collapse the musical reality and restore normal

1481
01:31:00.039 --> 01:31:04.199
We'll see, Reinforcing the episode's theme of emotional honesty through collaboration.

1482
01:31:05.399 --> 01:31:10.279
This episode blends humor heart spectacle, which of course is

1483
01:31:10.319 --> 01:31:15.159
the essence of musicals. It earns praise as Trek's first

1484
01:31:15.199 --> 01:31:20.880
and most emotionally resondent musical episode. It's no surprise except

1485
01:31:20.880 --> 01:31:23.039
maybe to v who wasn't on the podcast at the time.

1486
01:31:23.079 --> 01:31:27.439
But I was ridiculously excited about this episode before it

1487
01:31:27.479 --> 01:31:31.600
came back. Like ridiculously excited I was. I love musicals.

1488
01:31:32.119 --> 01:31:36.039
I love the spectacle of musicals. I love the overtopidness.

1489
01:31:36.439 --> 01:31:40.159
I love the exploration of people's feelings through song. I

1490
01:31:40.199 --> 01:31:42.439
don't mind when somebody walks on top of the mountain

1491
01:31:42.479 --> 01:31:45.560
and like looks at the moon and starts singing about themselves.

1492
01:31:45.640 --> 01:31:47.479
I think, I think it's what we all want to

1493
01:31:47.520 --> 01:31:51.800
do in our hearts. Like honestly, so, I was so

1494
01:31:52.119 --> 01:31:56.399
into this episode. But my favorite part of this episode, Jim,

1495
01:31:56.680 --> 01:31:58.680
was the fact that you weren't really sure about it.

1496
01:32:00.000 --> 01:32:03.880
I saw it and you were like, you know what, dude,

1497
01:32:04.119 --> 01:32:09.039
that was actually bomber And I totally agree. This episode

1498
01:32:09.159 --> 01:32:12.680
was so fun. I mean how there were so many

1499
01:32:12.680 --> 01:32:15.560
skeptics right, everybody said, how can you possibly make a

1500
01:32:15.640 --> 01:32:19.800
musical episode of Star Trek, And then they did it

1501
01:32:20.239 --> 01:32:23.119
and it was successful, and it had the correct amount

1502
01:32:23.199 --> 01:32:27.640
of you know, tre explaining of things. It had the

1503
01:32:27.760 --> 01:32:34.520
correct amount of human interaction and like good character things happening.

1504
01:32:34.560 --> 01:32:39.960
It had humor and honestly, like most people on this

1505
01:32:40.119 --> 01:32:43.920
crew can actually sing, so that was not lost on

1506
01:32:44.000 --> 01:32:47.279
me either. So I absolutely loved this one. This was

1507
01:32:47.319 --> 01:32:51.600
the only episode all season that garnered tens from every

1508
01:32:51.600 --> 01:32:55.000
single one of the trexperts, and it was right up

1509
01:32:55.079 --> 01:32:58.439
there for our minions. They rated it a nine point eight,

1510
01:32:58.760 --> 01:33:04.279
so fantastic episode, super duper risky, but they totally suck

1511
01:33:04.319 --> 01:33:05.119
the landing.

1512
01:33:05.600 --> 01:33:08.039
And Eric I got to say, when we've heard about

1513
01:33:08.039 --> 01:33:10.560
this and I thought, what in the hell are they

1514
01:33:10.600 --> 01:33:14.399
doing this? I literally are they literally are flushing it

1515
01:33:14.439 --> 01:33:17.279
down a toilet. I have no desire to see this

1516
01:33:17.600 --> 01:33:20.960
crap it all, don't care have to watch it for

1517
01:33:21.000 --> 01:33:23.760
the podcast. That's how I felt. But you know what,

1518
01:33:24.720 --> 01:33:27.119
it was one of the best episodes I've seen, and

1519
01:33:27.600 --> 01:33:30.960
I'll tell you why. For me, I thought that it

1520
01:33:31.079 --> 01:33:35.199
played like a Star Trek episode. It wasn't just them

1521
01:33:35.279 --> 01:33:38.039
singing for the fact of singing. There was a purpose,

1522
01:33:38.039 --> 01:33:41.680
there was a reason it was. It was tre explained perfectly,

1523
01:33:42.399 --> 01:33:47.720
and the dancing Klingons won me over it did it

1524
01:33:47.840 --> 01:33:49.920
did when they came on at the end, The look

1525
01:33:50.000 --> 01:33:55.079
on Pike's face when he turned around this episode. I

1526
01:33:55.199 --> 01:33:57.960
argue with people about this episode all the time. Give

1527
01:33:57.960 --> 01:34:00.479
it a chance and watch it, because I was one

1528
01:34:00.520 --> 01:34:04.720
of those haters, and boy was iron This episode is fun,

1529
01:34:05.279 --> 01:34:08.880
it's heartfelt. There's a lot of great character development in

1530
01:34:08.920 --> 01:34:12.479
the episode, and the dancing, singing Klingons just put it

1531
01:34:12.520 --> 01:34:14.600
over the top for me. So yeah, ten for me,

1532
01:34:15.079 --> 01:34:17.239
love it, love it, love it. Can't say enough good

1533
01:34:17.279 --> 01:34:18.880
about it? What about U?

1534
01:34:19.000 --> 01:34:20.359
V oh?

1535
01:34:20.479 --> 01:34:24.479
I agree with everything that everybody has said, And I

1536
01:34:24.560 --> 01:34:30.039
remember when because I didn't like everything, I always seemed

1537
01:34:30.039 --> 01:34:33.319
to be late to the party, so to speak. So

1538
01:34:33.399 --> 01:34:36.600
I wasn't watching it when it first came on, But

1539
01:34:36.680 --> 01:34:39.239
boy am I catching up now and loving it. But

1540
01:34:39.319 --> 01:34:44.399
I remember seeing like I'm the Star Trek related facebook pages,

1541
01:34:44.479 --> 01:34:48.239
how people were just saying ooh, a singing episode of musical.

1542
01:34:48.239 --> 01:34:53.000
I happened to love musicals too, so I've got a

1543
01:34:53.000 --> 01:34:59.600
collection of you know, records, and my favorite musical, by

1544
01:34:59.640 --> 01:35:04.760
the way, is seventeen seventy six. That's another story, but.

1545
01:35:04.760 --> 01:35:07.840
Yeah, this one has a great vinyl soundtrack that you

1546
01:35:07.840 --> 01:35:09.119
can buy for twenty four bucks.

1547
01:35:09.479 --> 01:35:10.840
Will okay? All right?

1548
01:35:12.119 --> 01:35:12.319
Yeah?

1549
01:35:12.439 --> 01:35:12.479
No?

1550
01:35:12.680 --> 01:35:16.199
And you know, like y'all said, dancing Klingons, you know,

1551
01:35:16.680 --> 01:35:20.239
I mean, it doesn't get better than that. So I

1552
01:35:20.279 --> 01:35:24.039
really enjoyed it too. I still like those old scientists

1553
01:35:24.079 --> 01:35:26.319
the best, but this one is a quote second.

1554
01:35:27.800 --> 01:35:30.640
Yeah, it's funny how they the last when it got

1555
01:35:30.640 --> 01:35:33.359
to the end, they just pinnacled. Those last few episodes

1556
01:35:33.399 --> 01:35:37.479
are just phenomenal. What about you, Charles? Did you like it?

1557
01:35:37.560 --> 01:35:38.079
What'd you think?

1558
01:35:39.760 --> 01:35:44.079
I actually did a marathon today and this episode was

1559
01:35:44.119 --> 01:35:48.079
on my list. I had to see it. I love

1560
01:35:48.840 --> 01:35:51.760
number ones reference saying, oh if I could just sit

1561
01:35:51.800 --> 01:35:55.960
and sit and walk all day, saying Gilbert and Sullivan.

1562
01:35:57.960 --> 01:35:59.079
But we also.

1563
01:36:00.279 --> 01:36:05.560
Episodes together Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow got tied into

1564
01:36:05.600 --> 01:36:13.159
this episode. The issue with Chapel in Charades was dealt

1565
01:36:13.199 --> 01:36:18.199
with in this episode, so we had so many this

1566
01:36:18.359 --> 01:36:24.600
episode tied stuff together, which is what I loved on it.

1567
01:36:25.960 --> 01:36:30.359
And when this episode came out, I said this in

1568
01:36:30.359 --> 01:36:33.319
the I said this in the podcast. Like I saw

1569
01:36:33.319 --> 01:36:35.880
the episode, it's like, oh, I wish I could have

1570
01:36:35.960 --> 01:36:40.399
this album. Then I turn around the next day on

1571
01:36:40.600 --> 01:36:47.159
Friday there it is on YouTube music and didn't get

1572
01:36:47.159 --> 01:36:49.359
a chance to go to gaming that nine. It's like,

1573
01:36:49.439 --> 01:36:51.000
what did I do? I came home, I listened to

1574
01:36:51.039 --> 01:36:54.000
the album, said oh, this was so good. You know what,

1575
01:36:54.039 --> 01:36:56.960
I need to go to watch the episode and watch

1576
01:36:57.000 --> 01:36:58.880
it the next day on Friday.

1577
01:37:00.399 --> 01:37:03.279
This was one of my top episodes. I just love

1578
01:37:03.319 --> 01:37:07.680
what they did with it. How about you, Paul, what

1579
01:37:07.760 --> 01:37:08.640
did you think about it?

1580
01:37:09.560 --> 01:37:13.159
Oh? Yeah, that's absolutely you know I think with art

1581
01:37:13.880 --> 01:37:17.640
a lot of times, to really you know, get over

1582
01:37:17.680 --> 01:37:20.880
the hill and and you know, achieve something great, it

1583
01:37:20.960 --> 01:37:24.399
requires risk, right, and I would in this case, I

1584
01:37:24.479 --> 01:37:27.239
think the risk is like the old those old scientists, right,

1585
01:37:27.439 --> 01:37:31.119
ballsy move right. Everyone's like I don't want it, No,

1586
01:37:31.119 --> 01:37:34.199
no risky, right, because you're potentially going to alienate your

1587
01:37:34.239 --> 01:37:38.600
fan base. Right. You were totally alienated about this episode, Jim.

1588
01:37:38.600 --> 01:37:41.600
You were like, not my brand of cereal?

1589
01:37:41.720 --> 01:37:41.880
Right?

1590
01:37:41.960 --> 01:37:45.399
And it won you over risk. Risk is is I

1591
01:37:45.439 --> 01:37:48.319
think a key thing right, and I think you've paid

1592
01:37:48.359 --> 01:37:51.960
off admirably. It was such a you know, I would

1593
01:37:51.960 --> 01:37:54.000
call this, you know, Star Trek at its best, right.

1594
01:37:54.119 --> 01:37:56.680
It was so fresh. We never seen an episode quite

1595
01:37:56.680 --> 01:37:59.960
like this before, and yet it felt and it's arrow

1596
01:38:00.199 --> 01:38:02.159
like Star Trek right, And to be able to have

1597
01:38:02.279 --> 01:38:05.239
both those emotions in the viewing and have it stand

1598
01:38:05.319 --> 01:38:09.079
up so well and just beautifully orchestrated, I'd call it

1599
01:38:09.079 --> 01:38:12.079
a masterpiece. I think it's just absolutely phenomenal. Loved it,

1600
01:38:12.399 --> 01:38:14.159
so it makes me, you know, anytime there's like an

1601
01:38:14.199 --> 01:38:19.399
episode I hear about for the upcoming seasons, I'm like, oh, no, where,

1602
01:38:19.640 --> 01:38:21.960
I think we have to check that reaction, right, because

1603
01:38:22.199 --> 01:38:25.680
previously both of our reactions you know this and the

1604
01:38:25.720 --> 01:38:27.720
animated thing, we're like, I don't know if that's a

1605
01:38:27.760 --> 01:38:32.079
great idea. Yet when it comes up, you know, it

1606
01:38:32.079 --> 01:38:34.359
means they took a risk, and I think they really

1607
01:38:34.439 --> 01:38:36.279
know how to make the right kind of risks, it seems,

1608
01:38:36.279 --> 01:38:39.560
so I'll be curious to see what's the equivalent risk

1609
01:38:39.600 --> 01:38:42.680
they do this season, right, But I just love this episode.

1610
01:38:42.760 --> 01:38:44.920
If someone's never seen it and they're on the fence

1611
01:38:44.960 --> 01:38:49.000
and then they have a bias against musicals for some reason. Man,

1612
01:38:49.119 --> 01:38:51.960
they're they're missing out. This is an absolute treat.

1613
01:38:53.960 --> 01:38:56.359
All right, We got one more to go, David. You

1614
01:38:56.399 --> 01:38:57.239
want to roll the tape?

1615
01:38:58.159 --> 01:39:01.479
Okay, h m hm.

1616
01:39:05.079 --> 01:39:08.560
And do what that is? We made it.

1617
01:39:09.239 --> 01:39:14.399
It's gone. There was something smile reading planet my brother, Man.

1618
01:39:14.479 --> 01:39:17.239
I always thought it was a beacon to cut passes away.

1619
01:39:18.760 --> 01:39:19.279
Let's move on.

1620
01:39:19.920 --> 01:39:21.319
I'm reading a book at nine o'clock.

1621
01:39:21.920 --> 01:39:24.880
Yep, I've got it too, So I suggests are gone

1622
01:39:24.960 --> 01:39:55.880
youngly take cover. H yeah, mm hmm.

1623
01:39:58.199 --> 01:40:03.239
No phrases that work, all.

1624
01:40:03.159 --> 01:40:05.399
Right, take it away, Paul Well.

1625
01:40:05.479 --> 01:40:08.600
This episode was the season finale of season two. The

1626
01:40:08.720 --> 01:40:13.600
episode called Hegemony, referring to the form of government and

1627
01:40:13.720 --> 01:40:18.119
ownership that the that the Gorn called themselves. Right, the

1628
01:40:18.199 --> 01:40:21.079
Enterprise is investigating an attack on a colony that's a

1629
01:40:21.359 --> 01:40:24.960
very very edge of Federation space, kind of similar vibe

1630
01:40:24.960 --> 01:40:28.960
from like Arena right original series episode one, and Mike

1631
01:40:29.000 --> 01:40:33.520
and the crew face this very formidable enemy in season

1632
01:40:33.600 --> 01:40:37.680
one episode nine, All those who Wonder, we first got

1633
01:40:37.680 --> 01:40:39.560
our look at the strange New World's version of the

1634
01:40:39.600 --> 01:40:41.920
Gorn in live action for the first time, and a

1635
01:40:41.920 --> 01:40:44.119
lot of times, you know, people are like, oh, it's different, right.

1636
01:40:44.159 --> 01:40:47.439
I know myself, I was like, oh different, because you know,

1637
01:40:47.600 --> 01:40:50.560
this is not the toga wearing, you know, man in

1638
01:40:50.640 --> 01:40:55.000
suit from Arena, which you know we've been programmed to accept.

1639
01:40:55.039 --> 01:40:56.840
And I think it was a little bit of a

1640
01:40:56.880 --> 01:40:59.279
ballsy move right at first, I was it was very

1641
01:40:59.359 --> 01:41:03.680
a lot of fans quick to dismiss this design choice

1642
01:41:04.239 --> 01:41:06.399
as being oh, this is aliens, right this They're just

1643
01:41:06.800 --> 01:41:10.439
basically given an alien xenomorph vibe or a Jurassic Park

1644
01:41:10.560 --> 01:41:12.840
vibe to Star Trek. And I think the more I've

1645
01:41:12.840 --> 01:41:14.520
watched this, the more I've really come around, I think

1646
01:41:14.520 --> 01:41:17.359
that they made it a shrewd choice and talk about

1647
01:41:17.359 --> 01:41:19.760
that at the very end here, but it's just it's

1648
01:41:19.920 --> 01:41:23.720
really it's I think important they've changed some of the

1649
01:41:23.800 --> 01:41:26.479
aesthetics and some of the design motifs of Star Trek

1650
01:41:26.520 --> 01:41:28.600
throughout this. I think it's it's important to kind of

1651
01:41:28.640 --> 01:41:31.560
evolve it so it doesn't seem a skew for a

1652
01:41:31.560 --> 01:41:37.239
contemporary audience. Now, Pike's in a situation where he basically,

1653
01:41:37.359 --> 01:41:39.720
you know, has to lead a team on the surface

1654
01:41:39.760 --> 01:41:44.520
to rescue survivors, including his main squeeze Captain Bateel right,

1655
01:41:44.680 --> 01:41:48.560
we later find out is infected with Gorn eggs, all right,

1656
01:41:48.600 --> 01:41:51.680
and we know from all those who wonder, that's kind

1657
01:41:51.720 --> 01:41:54.239
of like a death sentence because that was basically the

1658
01:41:54.239 --> 01:41:57.600
situation where man Hemmer found himself in. Right. So Pike's

1659
01:41:58.119 --> 01:42:01.560
you know, super engaged, which is a protagonist, right, which

1660
01:42:01.600 --> 01:42:05.319
I love. Right, is the person he feels the most

1661
01:42:05.319 --> 01:42:08.239
affection for her life is at risk, and he's also

1662
01:42:08.359 --> 01:42:12.039
got a risk defying orders from Starfleet. That's a heck

1663
01:42:12.119 --> 01:42:14.359
of a thing to put on your main character, to

1664
01:42:14.399 --> 01:42:16.640
have those two things there. So it's pretty cool to

1665
01:42:16.680 --> 01:42:19.199
have the Gorn come back as a major threat, leaving

1666
01:42:19.279 --> 01:42:21.880
us kind of best of both world style and a

1667
01:42:21.880 --> 01:42:25.800
cliffhanger for in this case, almost two years because we

1668
01:42:25.920 --> 01:42:29.000
thought that the landing party was being safely back up,

1669
01:42:29.039 --> 01:42:31.840
but it turns out that their transporter was intercepted by

1670
01:42:31.840 --> 01:42:35.760
the Gorn, and now they're all freaking Gorn prisoners, right,

1671
01:42:35.840 --> 01:42:39.279
and a lovely thing. In this episode two is the

1672
01:42:39.319 --> 01:42:44.399
introduction of this franchise's take on Montgomery Scott, who would

1673
01:42:44.399 --> 01:42:46.439
get to meet for the first time, which was just great.

1674
01:42:46.760 --> 01:42:51.520
I really really like it. I love Pike's moral dilemma.

1675
01:42:52.479 --> 01:42:54.800
You know, he doesn't want to abandon his crew, but

1676
01:42:55.000 --> 01:42:58.720
he's got a huge threat to face. Love the whole

1677
01:42:58.760 --> 01:43:02.319
idea of showing Scott's cleverness, right, and how he was

1678
01:43:02.359 --> 01:43:06.119
able to escape the Gorn. There heck of a cliffhanger, right,

1679
01:43:06.239 --> 01:43:09.840
Pike's really up against it, And those are all really great,

1680
01:43:10.319 --> 01:43:12.960
great plot elements, And I thought, and I just watched

1681
01:43:13.000 --> 01:43:14.600
this again last night and I was just like, this

1682
01:43:14.680 --> 01:43:17.119
is pretty tight. I mean, this pretty much plays like

1683
01:43:17.159 --> 01:43:23.640
a Swiss watch. And the big action sequence right where

1684
01:43:23.720 --> 01:43:29.239
the Bettel's ship was just totally destroyed allah doomsday machine, right,

1685
01:43:29.800 --> 01:43:34.079
and we think maybe Chapel is dead, we don't know.

1686
01:43:34.279 --> 01:43:38.920
And the writing to come up with a legit excuse

1687
01:43:39.000 --> 01:43:42.720
for Spock to go over there to the carcass of

1688
01:43:42.720 --> 01:43:47.840
that ship was just extremely convincing and very realistic. It

1689
01:43:47.880 --> 01:43:50.880
didn't feel like something that was just stitched together. And

1690
01:43:50.960 --> 01:43:53.479
I had to really suspend my disbelief, right. It was

1691
01:43:53.520 --> 01:43:55.439
like they had a really good reason for sending it

1692
01:43:55.479 --> 01:43:59.439
over there, right, It made great sense because the ideas

1693
01:43:59.520 --> 01:44:02.079
like used the ship's hulk is like a weapon to

1694
01:44:02.119 --> 01:44:11.439
destroy the Borg the Borg bro somebody had at least

1695
01:44:11.439 --> 01:44:14.800
it's not an acronym to destroy the Gorns like you know,

1696
01:44:14.920 --> 01:44:17.439
suppression and energy field. Right. It was really really clever.

1697
01:44:17.520 --> 01:44:20.079
And that action sequence A spot does go over there

1698
01:44:20.680 --> 01:44:24.439
is balls. It is a baller. It's just fantastic, really

1699
01:44:24.520 --> 01:44:27.760
really exciting. It's really you just get to have all

1700
01:44:27.800 --> 01:44:30.680
these great set piece moments. We get to see our

1701
01:44:30.800 --> 01:44:33.600
crew in spacesuits, you know, duking it out in a

1702
01:44:33.720 --> 01:44:36.880
urist situation. And I mean, for all of you know,

1703
01:44:36.960 --> 01:44:38.359
I was just like, wait a minute. I mean I

1704
01:44:38.359 --> 01:44:40.279
remember me from like the first time I saw like

1705
01:44:40.359 --> 01:44:43.640
the Gorner or like, you know, they're humanoid species they

1706
01:44:43.680 --> 01:44:46.560
paddleted spaceships. But when we saw the first Gorn in

1707
01:44:46.640 --> 01:44:49.039
like last season, I'm like, they're more like animals, right,

1708
01:44:49.079 --> 01:44:51.760
And I'm like, okay, now we get it. They're the younglings, right,

1709
01:44:52.239 --> 01:44:55.039
They're the youth who haven't yet to mature. And then

1710
01:44:55.079 --> 01:44:56.920
in this one, we get to see a full on,

1711
01:44:57.159 --> 01:45:02.159
freaking like velociraptor sized Gorn in a Gorn spacesuit. How

1712
01:45:02.199 --> 01:45:05.640
cool is that? And toy companies, why haven't you made

1713
01:45:05.680 --> 01:45:08.279
one for me yet? Hello? I'm sitting here needing a

1714
01:45:08.359 --> 01:45:11.680
Gorn in a spacesuit and I got a void on myself, right,

1715
01:45:11.960 --> 01:45:15.359
But it was great and it's super good. Clue I'm

1716
01:45:15.399 --> 01:45:18.920
telling you, you know, so really really terrific. I when

1717
01:45:18.960 --> 01:45:21.960
this podcast is over, I will go get myself a

1718
01:45:21.960 --> 01:45:24.680
frosty beverage and somebody to eat, and I'll be sitting

1719
01:45:24.680 --> 01:45:27.800
down to watch the second half of this two parter.

1720
01:45:28.079 --> 01:45:32.319
I cannot wait. It's so great to have this show back.

1721
01:45:33.119 --> 01:45:35.279
And I have no idea what's going to happen. We

1722
01:45:35.319 --> 01:45:39.000
had a lot of folks in jeopardy here. I'm just

1723
01:45:39.159 --> 01:45:41.840
I've managed to manage to stay off of most of

1724
01:45:41.840 --> 01:45:44.960
the Internet today, and so I do not know what's

1725
01:45:45.000 --> 01:45:47.399
going to happen. I am thrilled. I think this is

1726
01:45:47.439 --> 01:45:50.439
a great episode. I've freaking loved it and I can't

1727
01:45:50.439 --> 01:45:53.760
wait to see how it gets resolved. So bring it on, baby.

1728
01:45:54.479 --> 01:45:58.199
Well V, since you're the newest member of our family,

1729
01:45:58.600 --> 01:46:01.960
why don't you get us your thoughts on this episode.

1730
01:46:03.399 --> 01:46:08.359
Well, I never would have imagined that the Gorn would

1731
01:46:08.920 --> 01:46:16.800
become this absolutely frightening creature, you know, I never first

1732
01:46:16.800 --> 01:46:21.800
saw that from the cheesy creature in the original series

1733
01:46:22.039 --> 01:46:25.239
during the paper mache rocks and beating up you know,

1734
01:46:25.239 --> 01:46:29.439
William Shatner and all that with of course this strategically

1735
01:46:29.560 --> 01:46:33.319
ripped shirt and everything like that. But oh, and then

1736
01:46:33.359 --> 01:46:39.439
the previous episode where where you know, Hammer sacrifices himself.

1737
01:46:39.479 --> 01:46:42.880
But when the Gorn, you know, it's the like you said,

1738
01:46:42.880 --> 01:46:46.239
the alien like uh scenario. I had to I had

1739
01:46:46.279 --> 01:46:48.319
to turn off. I could not watch it. It was

1740
01:46:48.359 --> 01:46:52.279
just so horrifying. So I guess for the people who

1741
01:46:52.560 --> 01:46:55.159
like that sort of thing and can sleep well at night,

1742
01:46:56.399 --> 01:47:00.760
it's great. But for me, it's like nightmare fuel. But uh,

1743
01:47:00.960 --> 01:47:04.800
it's funny, Paul, when you said you said the Board earlier,

1744
01:47:05.079 --> 01:47:09.079
that's kind of what I thought. So in Strange New Worlds,

1745
01:47:09.920 --> 01:47:13.399
it's almost like the Gourn is to you know, that

1746
01:47:13.640 --> 01:47:19.119
this enterprise what the Board was to you know, the

1747
01:47:19.199 --> 01:47:28.720
later shows just this formidable, you know alien that can

1748
01:47:28.960 --> 01:47:30.760
you know, literally destroy people.

1749
01:47:31.520 --> 01:47:33.840
Yeah, and they really like when you have that you know,

1750
01:47:34.319 --> 01:47:37.119
conference room meeting right where Pike you know, I've got

1751
01:47:37.239 --> 01:47:39.640
some special weapons right that he digs out to kind

1752
01:47:39.640 --> 01:47:42.199
of you know, share with everybody. You know, he's prepared.

1753
01:47:43.079 --> 01:47:46.079
I like how they genuinely everybody seems pretty much just

1754
01:47:46.119 --> 01:47:49.039
scared sualless, right, I mean they they're not just like, OK,

1755
01:47:49.920 --> 01:47:52.039
even though they've got these weapons, right, there's like there's

1756
01:47:52.039 --> 01:47:55.439
no real room, right, they wanted they need to do

1757
01:47:55.479 --> 01:47:57.680
what they got to do, you know, and they really

1758
01:47:57.720 --> 01:48:02.279
and he's he's you know, Pike was visibly shaken and

1759
01:48:02.359 --> 01:48:06.199
looks concerned about the fate of the woman he loves, right,

1760
01:48:06.279 --> 01:48:08.640
and it comes across and he's just like, he's you know,

1761
01:48:08.720 --> 01:48:11.640
he just walks right into it. And uh, I think,

1762
01:48:12.000 --> 01:48:15.560
you know, heroism is doing what you are afraid to do,

1763
01:48:15.680 --> 01:48:18.199
even when you're scared to that, right, And that's and

1764
01:48:18.239 --> 01:48:22.680
I think that was just honorably depicted here. I like

1765
01:48:22.760 --> 01:48:26.560
that Pike's not a you know, square jawed, you know,

1766
01:48:26.680 --> 01:48:34.479
invulnerable uh, leader of scoops sorry, or soldier in this situation, right,

1767
01:48:34.960 --> 01:48:39.039
He's uh, he's apparently the corner attacking so sorry about that.

1768
01:48:40.119 --> 01:48:44.720
He's very relatable. He's vulnerable and very human in this episode.

1769
01:48:44.840 --> 01:48:48.800
I really like that. So, you know, he's you feel

1770
01:48:48.800 --> 01:48:52.319
for him, and he's he's relatable. So that's.

1771
01:48:55.279 --> 01:48:58.000
How about you, Eric, You want to chime in.

1772
01:48:58.319 --> 01:49:02.840
Oh, yeah, sure, So I'm probably one of the few

1773
01:49:02.920 --> 01:49:06.760
people who remembers that this isn't the second time that

1774
01:49:06.800 --> 01:49:09.199
we've seen the Gorn, but it's the third time. I mean,

1775
01:49:09.479 --> 01:49:11.960
you know, counting the two Strange New World's episodes as

1776
01:49:12.039 --> 01:49:16.119
one time, because of course, we saw the Gorn in

1777
01:49:16.199 --> 01:49:21.079
Star Trek Enterprise. The episode in a Mirror Darkly had

1778
01:49:21.119 --> 01:49:25.159
some computer animated Gorn. That was the first time that

1779
01:49:25.239 --> 01:49:30.439
they went from plastic suit rubber guy throwing paper mache

1780
01:49:30.520 --> 01:49:35.359
rocks to the computer animated version of the early two thousands,

1781
01:49:35.439 --> 01:49:39.840
which you know, granted was not amazing CGI, but it

1782
01:49:39.960 --> 01:49:44.159
was the first foray into taking this this kind of

1783
01:49:44.199 --> 01:49:52.239
like dinosaur motif to a believable anthropomorphic level. So yeah,

1784
01:49:52.359 --> 01:49:55.159
I really like the Gorn that they're showing us in

1785
01:49:55.199 --> 01:49:57.479
Strange New Worlds. They're absolutely terrifying.

1786
01:49:59.279 --> 01:49:59.359
Do.

1787
01:50:01.159 --> 01:50:04.119
You know. I think Star Trek's at its best when

1788
01:50:04.159 --> 01:50:10.720
we end up loving our uh you know, evil aliens

1789
01:50:10.800 --> 01:50:16.760
in the end. So I don't I don't see that

1790
01:50:17.000 --> 01:50:22.960
end coming for the Porn. This is a like you know,

1791
01:50:23.039 --> 01:50:27.359
the Gorner scary monsters kind of story, and and so

1792
01:50:27.680 --> 01:50:31.800
you know that that has its place. I get it.

1793
01:50:32.680 --> 01:50:34.880
I do think the writing and the shooting and the

1794
01:50:34.920 --> 01:50:37.079
action and all that kind of stuff of this episode

1795
01:50:37.159 --> 01:50:40.920
is is really really good. So I don't deny that

1796
01:50:41.000 --> 01:50:44.760
this is a fantastic episode of Strange New Worlds. I've

1797
01:50:44.760 --> 01:50:47.600
watched it a couple of times. I don't think I'll

1798
01:50:47.640 --> 01:50:50.079
watch it as many times as I've seen the movie Alien,

1799
01:50:50.680 --> 01:50:54.239
because you know, I have seen that movie probably a

1800
01:50:54.279 --> 01:50:57.680
dozen times. And and you know, Paul Paul did a

1801
01:50:57.680 --> 01:50:59.840
good job of trying to like separate this from Alien.

1802
01:51:00.319 --> 01:51:02.640
I still am right there, like it still feels like

1803
01:51:02.720 --> 01:51:07.520
Alien to me, despite you know, despite the good arguments

1804
01:51:07.560 --> 01:51:11.439
that you made their, Paul. So so yeah, I you know,

1805
01:51:11.520 --> 01:51:13.640
I think this is a great episode of Strange New Worlds.

1806
01:51:13.640 --> 01:51:15.760
I'm really excited to see how it comes out. I mean,

1807
01:51:15.760 --> 01:51:18.760
obviously they leave it on the most amazing cliffhanger where

1808
01:51:18.800 --> 01:51:22.359
he's got to make this critical decision like do I

1809
01:51:22.439 --> 01:51:27.239
stay or do I God? And yet it doesn't make

1810
01:51:27.359 --> 01:51:31.279
the decision before the credits roll. So so that's a

1811
01:51:31.319 --> 01:51:35.239
fantastic way to end a season. It's been two years

1812
01:51:35.640 --> 01:51:38.039
kind of a ridiculous wait, So I think we're all

1813
01:51:38.079 --> 01:51:40.399
really excited for those of us who haven't seen it

1814
01:51:40.479 --> 01:51:43.640
yet to see where the story goes. So yeah, not

1815
01:51:44.039 --> 01:51:47.039
a ten for me, but like, you know, a solid

1816
01:51:47.199 --> 01:51:51.439
nine just for the sheer quality of the episode, despite

1817
01:51:51.439 --> 01:51:53.520
the fact that I'll probably watch it a limited number

1818
01:51:53.560 --> 01:51:54.600
of times.

1819
01:51:55.159 --> 01:51:57.800
All Right, guys, and let's let's not forget this strange

1820
01:51:57.840 --> 01:52:00.720
New World premiere tonight. So we're gonna be talking about

1821
01:52:00.720 --> 01:52:04.239
the first two episodes next week. But let's let's get

1822
01:52:04.239 --> 01:52:05.439
into some birthdays here.

1823
01:52:06.800 --> 01:52:54.640
Okay, Let's see.

1824
01:52:33.960 --> 01:52:35.359
That was not a clemon song.

1825
01:52:35.880 --> 01:52:38.520
Okay. We always start off our Star Trek birthdays by

1826
01:52:38.560 --> 01:52:41.279
remembering those members of our Star Trek family who, sadly enough,

1827
01:52:41.399 --> 01:52:43.520
are no longer with us, and for that return to

1828
01:52:43.680 --> 01:52:45.239
Eric Jim.

1829
01:52:45.279 --> 01:52:49.119
Today we remember Steve Marlowe, the actor who played Zabo

1830
01:52:49.359 --> 01:52:52.399
in the original series second season episode A Piece of

1831
01:52:52.439 --> 01:52:54.720
the Action, lived to be ninety two years old. We

1832
01:52:54.760 --> 01:52:57.960
lost him back in twenty nineteen. Happy Birthday, Steve Marlowe.

1833
01:52:58.560 --> 01:53:02.920
Also Happy birthday Frank Corsetino, the actor who had three

1834
01:53:02.960 --> 01:53:06.279
Star Trek appearances to his credit, playing three different Ferengi characters.

1835
01:53:06.319 --> 01:53:09.439
Among those characters was Bach in the TNG first season

1836
01:53:09.479 --> 01:53:16.880
episode The Battle, Todg in TNG's Menasee, Troy, and Gegis

1837
01:53:16.960 --> 01:53:20.920
in the Star Trek Voyager episode Inside Man. That was

1838
01:53:20.960 --> 01:53:25.800
his last known TV appearance. Happy Birthday to Frank Corsentino.

1839
01:53:26.439 --> 01:53:30.279
Happy birthday as well to Keith Andy's the Americter American

1840
01:53:30.319 --> 01:53:33.800
actor excuse me, who appeared as Akuta in the TOS

1841
01:53:33.840 --> 01:53:37.760
second season episode The Apple, Happy Birthday, as well to

1842
01:53:37.920 --> 01:53:41.159
Sid Hag, the actor who played the first Lawgiver in

1843
01:53:41.239 --> 01:53:45.279
the TOS first season episode The Return of the Arkans.

1844
01:53:46.560 --> 01:53:50.680
Happy birthday to Peter Derea, the actor who played Jose

1845
01:53:50.960 --> 01:53:55.199
Tyler in the TOS first pilot episode The Cage, which

1846
01:53:55.199 --> 01:53:58.199
of course was later referenced in both The Menagerie Parts

1847
01:53:58.239 --> 01:54:02.920
one and Part two. Happy Birthday to Peter. Happy birthday

1848
01:54:02.960 --> 01:54:07.359
to Non Martin, the American actress who portrayed Victoria Miller

1849
01:54:07.439 --> 01:54:12.119
in the Next Generation first season episode Haven, Happy Birthday,

1850
01:54:12.119 --> 01:54:16.680
as well to Ken Lynch, who played Vanderbergh in the

1851
01:54:16.720 --> 01:54:20.520
TOS first season episode The Devil in the Dark. I

1852
01:54:20.560 --> 01:54:23.680
always like to say one of my favorite TOS episodes,

1853
01:54:23.680 --> 01:54:26.840
probably because I've seen it a million billion times. I

1854
01:54:26.880 --> 01:54:28.720
just think it's so good though, and it's super duper

1855
01:54:28.760 --> 01:54:32.840
Star Trek. Happy birthday as well to Philip Pine, the

1856
01:54:32.920 --> 01:54:37.359
actor who played Philip Green in the TOS third season

1857
01:54:37.399 --> 01:54:41.000
episode The Savage Curtain and Last but not least on

1858
01:54:41.000 --> 01:54:45.600
our remembrance list. Happy birthday to Camille Saviola, the actress

1859
01:54:45.640 --> 01:54:50.960
who portrayed Kai Opaka in four episodes of Star Trek

1860
01:54:51.000 --> 01:54:54.119
Deep Space nine, And for me it's hard to believe

1861
01:54:54.159 --> 01:54:57.159
that she was only in four episodes, because, of course,

1862
01:54:57.439 --> 01:55:01.319
kai Opaka represents the good way to be a Kai

1863
01:55:03.079 --> 01:55:08.119
and her her, what's the person that comes after her?

1864
01:55:08.199 --> 01:55:12.319
Person who takes up the mantle is not so good

1865
01:55:12.399 --> 01:55:16.640
Kai win of course the villains ever in Star Trek,

1866
01:55:16.760 --> 01:55:22.680
So happy birthday. There's there's only one evil Kai. All

1867
01:55:22.720 --> 01:55:25.399
the rest are okay, like like literally we only we

1868
01:55:25.439 --> 01:55:28.119
only get to see a couple of Kays in Deep

1869
01:55:28.119 --> 01:55:34.680
Space nine. And Camille Saviola portrays a benevolent, kind uh

1870
01:55:34.920 --> 01:55:39.600
person who helps guide Benjamin Cisco into his uh you know,

1871
01:55:39.840 --> 01:55:43.800
journey as the Emissary. So happy birthday to her, and

1872
01:55:43.800 --> 01:55:47.119
that's it for our remembrances. So I will pass this

1873
01:55:47.319 --> 01:55:48.159
birthday candle.

1874
01:55:52.039 --> 01:56:01.319
All right, Charles take it away? Okay, up there we go.

1875
01:56:07.800 --> 01:56:13.560
I can't hear Charles, can you guys hear Charles? All right?

1876
01:56:13.680 --> 01:56:16.119
V you want to take over for Charles? Sure?

1877
01:56:17.520 --> 01:56:21.039
Happy birthday two? Whoops? Let me get this hold on

1878
01:56:21.079 --> 01:56:26.880
here Happy Birthday to Amanda Foreman, American actress who pay

1879
01:56:27.079 --> 01:56:32.319
played Hannah Hannah t in Star Trek and Bracket in

1880
01:56:32.479 --> 01:56:38.600
Star Trek Into Darkness. Then Happy Birthday to Hannah haty Uh,

1881
01:56:38.720 --> 01:56:42.960
the actress who played Molly O'Brien in the TNG six

1882
01:56:43.560 --> 01:56:47.960
six season episode Rascals one of my favorites, by the way,

1883
01:56:48.560 --> 01:56:53.840
and in eleven episodes of DS nine, Happy Birthday to

1884
01:56:53.840 --> 01:56:58.439
Tom Troup, the actor who portrayed Lieutenant Harold in The

1885
01:56:58.479 --> 01:57:04.880
Star Trek the original series first season episode Arena. And

1886
01:57:04.920 --> 01:57:10.560
then finally, Happy birthday to Margaret Rose, actress, composer and

1887
01:57:10.840 --> 01:57:16.840
musician who played Aileen in TNG fifth season. Oh that's yeah,

1888
01:57:17.239 --> 01:57:21.439
that episode that wrecks me every time, The Inner Light.

1889
01:57:22.720 --> 01:57:27.560
She later appeared as Capar Wrinn in DS nine fourth

1890
01:57:27.880 --> 01:57:34.600
season episode Hard Time. All right, onto you, Paul, Thank

1891
01:57:34.600 --> 01:57:34.760
you Ve.

1892
01:57:35.720 --> 01:57:38.359
Okay, here's a face I think the TV watchers will

1893
01:57:38.359 --> 01:57:41.239
recognize pretty instantly, Like, wait a minute, how do I

1894
01:57:41.359 --> 01:57:46.479
know this guy we're talking about? Judson Scott, Yeah, that's

1895
01:57:46.520 --> 01:57:49.880
the face right there, who first appeared in Star Trek

1896
01:57:49.960 --> 01:57:52.319
back in nineteen eighty two, where he played the role

1897
01:57:52.359 --> 01:57:56.520
of Jaku In of Course, legendary Star Trek two The

1898
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Wrath of Khan, but he later appeared in next Year

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Generation episode Symbiosis as Sob and as Commander Racar in

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the Voyager episode Message in a Bottle. Dynamite performer, really

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deeply entrenched in the Star Trek universe there, but at

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a great you know, second, you know, companion role there

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in Rathacon, which is great, really really cool. Big fan

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of this next actor, absolutely dynamite performer, the great Terry O'Quinn,

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who we acknowledge for playing Admiral Eric Pressman in Next

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Gen seven season episode The Pegasus. One of the great

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ones there, one of those animals who just you know,

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was convinced he's doing the right thing, no matter how

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bad the fallout from his decisions may be. Right, legendary guy.

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A lot of people first discovered Terry O'Quinn in, of course,

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the JJ Abrams TV show Lost, where he was a

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core character. But if you're a fan of the horror

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genre at all, I urge you to seek out a

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picture called The Stepfather starring Terry O'Quinn, which is a

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knockout and you can really see this guy what he

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has to offer as an actor. He's just great, one

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of the great big fan Tara Quinn. What I would

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not give to get you on the show and get

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a chance to talk to you. Our next birthday shout

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out here is not really part of the Star Trek

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universe really, but we just did a huge shout out

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to Space nineteen ninety nine a couple weeks back. So

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let's give it up for the delightful, luminous Catherine Shell,

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who of course played in the second season episode. Second

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season of the series, she played the character of Maya,

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but had also started a guest role as an alien

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in the first season as well, so a very, very

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fun and delightful performer. Always brings a note of grace

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and humor to her roles, which is just always very welcome.

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And let's talk legends, shall we? Shall we talk legends? Everyone,

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and pulled you off Tunic down appropriately because it's time

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to say Happy birthday to Order of the British Empire. Recipient,

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Emmy Award winner, Golden Globe nominated classically trained Shakespearean English actor,

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the great Sir Patrick Stewart. He's achieved more public success

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for his role as Captain John Luke Picard than we

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have time to properly acknowledge on this particular program. He

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is one of the absolute greats. I'm trying to find

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my copy of his autobiography, but of course he eludes

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me because I'm on the radio. Yes, but of course Picard,

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I mean absolutely great. It's so amazing to watch him

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find this character from the early I don't like children

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aspect of season one, to watch him really build the

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character and dig deep and bring forth his his shakespeare

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classic Shakespearean training there. And of course he'd been in

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genre pictures from the Gift though. He was in John

1946
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Foreman's salib Excalibur right Excalibur, and of course and David

1947
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Lynch's Dune. He had a prominent role in that as well,

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so he's a familiar face to people. Was absolutely amazing though,

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and once folks warmed up to his portrayal of the

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Starfleet Captain, I think they never were going to settle

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for anyone else the same way. And of course he

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came back. In addition to all the different feature film'spen

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offs including Generations and First Contact and whatnot, there was

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the subsequent return to television for the series Star Trek Picards,

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so a real legendary gentleman and somebody who's very, very

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popular with the fans. Seems to take great delight in

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engaging with the fans, and I think the beacon of

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intelligence and good taste and which seemed to be shrieking

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commodities in this day and age. So I just love

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the humanism and the courage and the dignity that he

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brought to his performances. Sir Patrick Stewart, we salute you,

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and I'm going to pass this megaphone over to Uncle Jim.

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Well, I thank you so much. Paul. Let's see what's

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out there so you'll see what I did there. So

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I usually do the Klingons, but we don't have any

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Klingons this week. But I do want to say happy

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birthday Therosa Salazar. She's the actors who played Captain Lynnlessero

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in Short Treks second season episode The Trouble with Edward

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And why did I pick her? Well, I'll tell you

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why because in this particular episode we find out how

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the Tribles got the way they were, and her starship,

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loaded with Tribles, crashes on a Klingon planet and almost

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starts the war. So there is a little bit of

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a Klingon connection there. Happy birthday Therosa Salazar and I

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do want to say yes, Edward is an idiot. Check

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out episode. I think you'll like it and last on

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my list. Not a kling On, but man, she could

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be because she battled Freddy Krueger. We want to say

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happy birthday to Heather Langan Camp. She's the actress who

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played security officer Moto in Star Trek Into Darkness, but

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she's best known as Nancy Thompson in Nightmare on Elm

1982
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Street and a lot of people don't know that she

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was on Star Trek and there she is. Happy birthday

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the Heather Langan Camp. And that wraps up our podcast

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for tonight, guys. I want to say thank you to

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Susan and of course the great Chase Masterson for popping

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in and saying hello to us. And thank you so

1988
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much to Eric for hanging out in trek talking with us.

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Thank you so much to Charles as well for hanging

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out with us, and thank you to Victoria for being

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with us, and I thank you Victoria.

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Thank you always a pleasure, a lot of fun.

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And thank you to Paul as well for hanging out

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in trek talking with us.

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Thank you, paul A pleasure man. I can't wait to

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scramble down to my remote, flip on the old Strange

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New Worlds and see something new so we can talk

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about it next week. So very excited.

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Wake me up before you go go. And of course,

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thank you so much to David for all the hard

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work you do on putting together all these videos and slideshows.

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Thank you, David.

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Yeah, it's been a lot of fun. I just hope

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they're going over here. Doesn't get me before I to

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watch the episode.

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He's gonna smash your head with a rock.

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Oh.

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I just want to you guys know next week it's

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gonna be an abbreviate where we're gonna have two episodes

2010
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of Strange New Worlds to talk about Tajeemy Part two

2011
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and Wedding Bell Blues. So we're you know, we're probably

2012
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not gonna have any new stories. We probably won't have

2013
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a lot of birthdays because covering two episodes on one

2014
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podcast is gonna be a lot to squeeze in. So

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but I'm glad that Strange New world is back, and

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I am looking forward to it and I just can't

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say good enough about it. Excited all right, guys, that

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wraps up our podcast. Thank you so much for listening

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wherever you may be. Head over to trek Talking dot

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com and tell us where you're listening from. All right,

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David Roll the extro.

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All stage. I'm ready for departure, sir, some problem RCA.

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I'm just hoping this isn't the usual way of missions

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will go, said.

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Oh, no, number one, I'm sure it most will be

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much more interesting. Let's see what's on there, gage