Episode 646 - Subspace Convention & SNW season 2 recap

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0:51 About the series. Series. Well, good evening, Treky's and trek Is around the globe. Welcome to Trek Talk and then beyond. It is Thursday, July seventeenth, twenty twenty five. Welcome to episode six hundred and forty six. Hard to believe. We have a great show planning for you guys tonight. But before we go too far, I'd like to introduce to you my awesome Trek Sports and we're going to start out in Virginia with v How you doing tonight, d doing great?

1:47 There we go. I always have to do the sarcastic Vulcan salute, the. Sarcastic Vulcan salute and from our very own miracle work or David, he's out in Portland. How you doing tonight? David? Here, mister, you're gonna get hit right in ahead with that rock if you're not careful. I trust him, I trust him, You trust him. And also for Portland, we have our very own Paul the toy Guy. How you doing tonight? Paul? Hey, I'm doing okay? Man doing all right? Interesting week and today Harold's the return of fresh brand, spanking new star Trek to our TV star Trek Cool. It's been a while.

2:31 It's been a while, what almost two years? Right? Oh, We've had other shows, right, We've had, you know, lesser shows to chat about, but this is, you know, this is the big kahuna right right now, so this is exciting. Absolutely, And also from Portland. I don't know if you see a little pattern here, but also from Portland we have Eric, how you doing tonight? Eric doing pretty good? Man? Looking forward to recapping last season in preparation for watching that first episode of Strange New Worlds tonight when we're done. Absolutely, and not from Portland, but from Las Vegas, we have our very own Charles how you doing tonight? Charles? I'm doing good. Haven't been invited to any Vulcan engagement celebrate ardget. I'm disappointed.

3:15 You never know one could be right around the corner and joining us tonight on the podcast, back for her second appearance. Last time she was here, we were audio only on blog talk Radio, but now we're on our new format. We have Susan Lang from sub Space Star Trek Convengs. Welcome to the show, Susan. Thank you very much for having me on again. I'm happy to be here. It's we're gonna have a good time. Hey, you guys can find all of our shows over at trek talkin dot com. There's all kinds of great stuff there. You can support us by becoming a patron over there. Pop Charles runs our page to go over there. Check that out a lot of It's only two dollars a month.

3:56 We really would appreciate that. Now you can also find us on YouTube at talking obviously and on tonight's show. As Paul said, it's Star Trek Night. We waited almost two years, but it's here. Yay. But tonight we're going to be recapping season two of Strange New Worlds. That's right, We're gonna it's been such a long time that I thought, we really need to go back and revisit some of these episodes. It's been a long long time, so we're gonna do that. We also have our fans shout outs where we go around and we thank fans just like you for listening to the show. We have our Star Trek polls as well. Did Pike make the right choice boy versus the Gorn and singing Klingons? What's that all about? You'll have to listen to our polls to find out. And what Star Trek actor do you share a birthday with? Find out on our Star Trek birthdays and what's going on around the Star Trek universe. We have a Shatner say is what?

4:54 And a Star Trek tos reboot Interesting. Interesting. But before we do that, though, we're going to talk to Susan about Subspace conventions. So I know you were on last year and that was your freshman convention, So why don't you tell why don't you tell everybody a little bit about it? Well, I'll tell you a little bit about like just last year's experience, which was we are markedly a smaller convention, very small, but everybody that came was passionate. They really liked it, and that's why we're having a second convention because that first one was a tech Well if you're.

5:40 Yeah, I think we lost we lost audio. Huh oh, no, technical difficulty. See that those gremlins are back again. This is a Susan's employing a venerable suspense building technique. Right, Oh my gosh. All right, hey guys, are you. So much for having me here. I'm on my way somewhere and I only found out about this today, but I am so happy to be with you guys. And I just have a few minutes now, but I could join back in a little bit later, or we can just I don't know.

6:26 How are you? Yeah, we're doing good. We're trying to get Susan back online here. We lost her audio. Oh okay, okay, well I'm sorry. Looks, I just got a screenshot so I can tell everybody. How's everything here with you guys? Well, we're doing We're doing really really good. We talked to Susan about Subspace con last year when she did her first one, and she reached out to me and wanted to know if she could come on the show to promote her second one. And I said absolutely, And so we're going to do that tonight. We have a slide show with some pictures from last year's convention that we're going to show a little bit and hopefully Susan will get her audio back up and running and she'll be able to join us. So did you attend last year's convention, Chase?

7:16 I didn't know. I actually just heard about Subspace this year. But I love the Are we on now? Are? We've got an audience here, everybody's here? Okay, Well, I just want to say I really have so much respect for Susan having created this really wonderful, innovative convention where the fans are the stars, And the more she tells me about it, the more excited I am, because it really just gives so much attention and focus and credence to who the fans are, and you know the types of things that they want to do over the weekend, and puts the spotlight on them. And really, you know, I say this all the time, you guys are the reason this show exists. I mean, from the sixties, have always been that way that the fans have propelled this story, these messages through and we all know that you guys are the reasons we have jobs. So I want to celebrate who you guys are every chance I get.

8:14 And I'm really excited for this opportunity. Susan, are you fixed yet? Nope, she's still working on it. I know Susan is going to give her information via interpretive dance that's assess expressiveness. Well, nope, not yet. She's still working on it. So she told us a little bit about it. There's a nice video from Doug Jones on the website too, which you guys should definitely go and check out if you get a chance to. I've seen that. But of course, Doug Jones hung the Moon and anything he does is like the best thing ever, so I'll check that out.

9:00 He's definitely a great guy. And I think what makes Susan's convention unique is that it's not just actors on stage with microphones, right, Susan, you cannot and okay, yeah, there we go. It's not your typical convention with actors on stage and fans in the audience asking questions. Is more of an interactive experience. Oh wow, yeah, yeah for sure. I mean, you know, hanging out talking and getting to know each other and just being there to I don't know, to celebrate these messages and to make friends and to celebrate old friendships. It's my favorite kind of convention, these small events where it's not a corporate thing where they rush you through the line, where we really get to know each other.

9:51 Oh, that's wonderful. I think that's what's lacking from a lot of conventions these days. There's so many people there, it's so crowded. You spend a lot of time waiting online. But Susan's trying a different approach and I respect that. Yeah, definitely. I mean, you know, the world is everything goes so fast in this world, and there's such a feeling of overwhelm. Really, the potential for overwhelm is huge because social media and you know, there's a twenty four hour news cycle. And I'm back, Susan's there. We go, okay, twenty four hour news cycle, Chase.

10:33 Oh. I was just saying, there's always so much going on and the opportunity to just slow down and hang out and have a nice time with each other rather than have it just be like, you know, another big convention center that's cold and sterile. These are really nice opportunities. Well, you know, now that I'm here, and it's so happy to see you. Chase the our you know, our tagline is that we treat the fans like stars, but we endeavor to treat our stars like family. And it speaks to just what Chase is saying that there's always a rat race. It's always busy, busy, busy. I can't even imagine how many conventions and events you attend in a given calendar. Gear and to have the have the privilege of being able to say, come on, because this isn't going to be hard, this is going to be easy. It's going to be polite, it's going to be kind. It's i say, laid back but well organized and a level of interaction that's not common.

11:41 But we do that because we create an convention that's small enough that we can be we can be balanced about the amount of closeness that we can have and we don't have to have any concerns. Plus we have we have secret help all over the room to curb enthusiasm if it gets too great. But it really is our goal both to make the fans have a place where we want our fans to leave and say, oh my goodness, did I get to do that, and we want our stars to leave and say did I get treated like that? I am so coming back. And you know, you have to treat your family with the kind of thoughtfulness and politeness because you don't always have a lot of money or cash to throw arounds. But what we do have and what counts is how we treat each other.

12:40 That's the We treat our fans like stars and our stars like family. That's our goal. And then we have a really good program too. It's so wonderful, Susan. I really, like I was saying before you were back on, I have so much respect for you and the fact that you put this together in such a thoughtful way. And I couldn't agree more. I mean, people don't come to conventions for the ink on the page of the autograph or the twenty five seconds they get if that during the photo op. They come for the memory and the human connection. And certainly I've always said this, it's not really even for us, it's for each other. It's the community that you guys have built.

13:23 That's why it well, in a sense, it's both true and not true, isn't it. I mean, it's the you say correctly about the memory we make memories by human connections. A photographer, an autograph is what reminds us of the human connection we had. Because that's this year's theme. It's an ambassador's conference, but it's how to find commonality in a multi species universe, and right now we need to find commonality with people that make us want to say, what play it did you come from? Because we are so different? What the fundamental truth is, we're not that different.

14:09 And if we can find that commonality through humor, through entertainment, through compassion, then we're doing the right thing in any small effort that nourishes that thread in the tapestry of our lives, makes our lives vibrant and comfortable and strong. Oh my gosh, Roddenberry, what you just said, it's so beautiful, And yes, thank you. We've got enough of the hard stuff. Let's bring some warmth and listening and the ability to connect over what makes us all all human, you know, whether we're Klingons or fully ins or but Joran's or all what we all have those things that we really need to be focusing on right now.

15:01 Mm hmmm, Yes, we really, we really do. And it's it's you know, it's an entertainment weekend. It's fun, but we you know, we have a couple of sessions that we hope to make each other think and go home to consider finding that commonality in every little small way that we can. It's not always, you know, public, it's not always magnificent, but it is always necessary. Absolutely, Like one more minute before I have to get out of the car, and I just want to say one thing I'm really uper excited about is the entertainment part of this weekend, Bonnie Gordon is a wonderful thing.

15:57 Thank you, Chase, thank you so much for coming in all right. By dear, thank you, thank you. I'm fun with Thank you. Bye. Oh wow, that was so cool. Oh my god. Oh I want to say that. Chase. Chase and I've actually had a few conversations. Oh she's back. They didn't let her out of the car. Oh there you go. We don't want to get. Oh no, you're good. Thank you. We have looked, we have tried very hard to put together a group of talent that is like it's like Chases. It's because what they really bring to the table is their willingness to just be there alongside the fans. Fans that are convention.

16:51 It's September twenty six through twenty eight. They it's completely an interactive You share all the sessions, all five meals are provided two parties, and our talent is coming on the premise that they just attend everything side by side with you, and we yeah, and we have I mean the things that make I mean what Chase said, I mean, it's true. I've been in enough contact with other fans that I listened to what they love and what they wish, what they think about. And the big thing was I wish I could have done that. I wish I could have had that sixty seconds with the star, or I wish I got chosen for my costume, or you know, I worked so hard on that thing and nobody noticed it, you know. And so I said, because I live in a small, smaller town, mid size, what if you had a convention that was small enough that you could guarantee that kind of interaction, not just thirty seconds. I mean, we have a unique photo session. When you come into the actor's booth. There's a table and two chairs and a lamp and a picture and you sit down and look across the table for a minute and you get that autograph. We our tickets are all inclusive, so they include both the evening parties. Bonnie Gordon will be hosting

18:23 the Ambassador's reception. But if you don't know Jin You sell Us. She's the pop clean, the kling On pop Warrior. If you haven't seen her sing opera and cling On, you haven't been to a We are having cling On Karaoke for our Saturday night party and Gin You sell Us she'll be leading that. She's saying on the cruise this year on stage with Robert Piccardo, and she's in a cling On Language Expert weekend right now. I mean she's one of the leading experts in the language. She's coming in. She's going to be when everybody's doing lots of stuff, but she's going to do Saturday Nights cling On karaoke. And we have designed and created cling On Cornhole And can you guess what you throw into a kling On cornhole game?

19:12 A mini battle? Oh? Not no, A bowl of no, a bowl of go oh. That that would be something. Oh, but you're gonna you're gonna love it. It's triples. Course. Of course, Susan had sent me some pictures from last year's event. And uh, David, you want to roll that that uh slideshow that we put together for Susan while Susan tells us a little bit about what's what we're watching when we're watching it? All right, there we. Go, Susan subspace a space within a space, in this case a smaller space within a space.

19:57 So this September twenty sixth, twenty. Seven, correct, We start with Friday evening, which is well, this slide is pointing out that, well, that isn't an interesting slide. We don't have a vendors room like most conventions do. We don't sell a lot of stuff. We have experts in makeup or clothing or photography, things that help fans and enhance their experience, not just here but at other conventions. We start out each convention with something called trek tracks, and that is where our stars actually interview our attendees. They interview our fans. It's a Q and A, but we're asking the fans about themselves and the stars are doing it so they get to go home and say I had an interview with Bonnie Gordon or Chase Masterson, but I was the one being interviewed.

20:51 Last year, we had a few look alikes that I guess you can pick them out. Some looked much more like than others. So that slide show you that we have menus. Our meals are included five full meals, but there are also sessions. They're hosted by one of our talent. They have games, and of course we have a Star Trek themed menu for each meal. And we are again this year we are hosting a multi species Ambassador's Conference and we are finding commonality in a multi species universe. So that's our theme for this coming year. Last year we sold some specialized art that we commissioned and said we had a couple of artists there. I threw that in because we'll be doing some of the same this year as well. We'll be auctioning off some special items that Trek fans have donated. You can see who our fans are, I mean, who our guest stars are. And we might have another one to be announced next week.

22:00 But Chase is also coming as Leda for the Ambassador's Convention, and I am actually constructing in real life the outfit that she wore as the animated character, that green dress. I've I've pretty much got it got it down, and she'll be her real self, but she'll be wearing that as her ambassador's gown. Fun. Oh, it should be a lot of fun. I mean, obviously, we're inviting our attendees to choose what planet they'll they'll come as at an ambassador, what what planet will they represent?

22:42 Because we have a costume contest. There's a group of us from last year. We signed that off and you go home with one of those. And we have a costume contest. We have a chair cover contest. If you look on the website you'll get physical exis samples of that. We have music our people, right, we have a talent contest. The winner of each each category will get a free five hundred dollars pass to next year's convention. So competing and winning that that, you know, that buys you a really full week admission to next year's convention. So we're kind of excited about seeing what people bring to the table.

23:28 And then we've constructed there. It is cling on corn Hull. That's Court versus the Federation. So we're throwing in starships into the a federation one and we're throwing in squishy triples into the other. It's loads of fun, it really is, and we're in the Midwest. Did you did you think that good for you? So we thought that would be too funny. That's if we could make them squeak, we would, but we haven't been able to do that yet. We have to when they're around Klagon's turbos. I know you have. That's our James Dohand look alike. And that's just an it's Larry Patterson. He's really lovely and he really does. I mean, you'll stop him on the street if he's in uniform. But this is an image from our trek tracks where we actually interview four or five guests per session and just find out what their journeys are. We're September twenty sixth through the twenty eighth.

24:31 And of course, infinite diversity in infinite combinations, that's not just a concept, it's the way we conduct ourselves. Think that we really need a lot today and I have gotten that. If I can say, I'm a mama Bear, so my adult two of my adult kids are within the LGBTQ community and this really they're not into Star Trek, but I just appreciate that. You know, everybody is welcome, and so to me, I just thank you from the bottom of my heart, because this world is not always kind to people who are you know, don't fit the mold, you know what I mean.

25:17 Though, Victoria, I feel it. I feel it deeply, especially when you are outside of that community. We have a responsibility, I think if we understand the principle behind Jeane Runberry's I mean, it's a stated principle. I mean, it's if you can't figure out how to get along with the people on a planet that you live on, you know, how can you possibly translate that to other planets. I don't know that in our lifetimes we'll ever find out we have the choice, but you're very welcome, and it's the same I think for each of us. One of I have nine grandchildren and one of them one is trans and I have nephews that I love dearly that are in the same group. And it's my it's our responsibility, I think, my responsibility to make sure if it's within your power to make sure that that is embraced, that you must exercise it.

26:21 Yeah. Gots, I'm getting I'm just getting emotional because it's just just hard. Yeah, But but the fact that you do it, and I'm just thinking right now it's like I would totally quit my job and come to work with you. That would if I could do that, I totally would get on a. Plane or a train. But today I had I had quite the day, just regular life for each of us. And and it can be you know, doing something like this is very rewarding and terrifying and uh, you know, of you know, a fan based organization of any kind, you you depend on fans to support it. Where we have a early bird early bird of prey. I didn't know how to work that in, but early bird ticket sales and and you know, you need to fund the event before everybody shows up. So we're trying to work that out and find that right balance. But I'm so glad Victoria that that you you feel that and in any way that we can welcome. You know, we just do our best in our daily lives, don't we?

27:33 Yes? How can people? How can people reach out and get tickets for the event. The our website is subspace start st subspace st dot org. So that's all and we need everything you need to go. If you go to the website subspace st dot org, look for the menu item that says early bird tickets and that I'll get you right there to what you get and what we have, and then you can go through the whole menu. Item we describe it, we tell about the stars. You can check the schedule. I mean, the schedule evolves a little bit. We find too in each session. But it's introductory because I mean, I want to ask you, guys. I'm assuming you've been to a lot of conventions. I haven't been to that many, and I don't think there's anything quite like this, certainly not the amount of interaction that we've built in. It's going to always be small, I would say one hundred and twenty five and under, otherwise we won't be able to provide to assure that kind of closeness. But it includes the meals, all your meals. The only thing you have to pick up autograph, photograph is included. The thing you pick up is your hotel, of course, but we have a lovely suite hotel suite. It's a sweet hotel at the convention space that you know. It's twenty feet away

29:03 from the convention space and it's one hundred and twenty five dollars for the for the night and there it's nice. That's the privilege of living in a mid size community. Is you still get nice but you don't have to pay three hundred and seventy five dollars to get it? Yeah? Well, we wish you all the best of luck, Susan, and we really appreciate you time taking out of your schedule to chat with us and to have Chase give us a call, and well curious to see how everything works out for you. We'll have to have you back again. Well, thank you for having me and live long, prosper, be kind, and thank you so much. For the chat you too. Thanks, all right, good bye?

29:46 Thank you? All right, guys, so are we ready to do some fan shout outs? What do you say, David? Sure? Do we have time for that? Yeah, let's roll out some fan shout outst. Ready when you guys are all right? Take it away, Eric, Okay. First fan shout out goes out this week to Jan Lee Greville from Queensland, Australia. Thank you so much for saying hello to us. Jan, very nice to hear from you. My next one is Sophia Nerovniya, who is saying hello to us all the way from Saint Petersburg in Russia. Lots of support in lots of different countries around the world. Thank you so much, Sophia for saying hello. Svenn Girich is saying hello to us from carls Rue, Deutschland. Sven, thank you so much for saying hello to us, and live long and prosper to you, sir. And I'd also like to say hello this week to Thorston Schultz, who is between Nuremberg and Munich, also in Deutschland. Thanks Thorston, Charles take it away.

30:48 Thank you Eric. Let's have a warm welcome to Tom Casey from Nebraska. Welcome Tom. Let's welcome Lovely Sawyer from Benson, North Carolina. Let's welcome Ali Rays from Oregon. Welcome Robert mcine from Nova Scotia, Canada. Me who's on your list? All right, so welcome to Jamie Freeman Upton, who is from Southeast Louisiana, sixty miles north of New Orleans. Then there's Terry Noriega from California. We have Shannon Williams who says I'm from New Jersey, and last but not least, Richard Graham from Allahassee, Florida. So onto you, Paul.

31:44 Thank you, VI. I appreciate that. Okay, let's push past the boundaries of our own country here and the rest of the globe and see where other Star Trek fans may reside. Let's say hello to our friend Dejean ma Christo in Belo Horizonte, Brazil. Bello Horizonte been to Belo Berticale, but I didn't know that Belo Horizonte also had started acting. So seeing what you learn, you pay attention to the show to our good friend. Also over in Morris, Germany, it's Rainier W Bierman, who has got the flag flying and the universal sign for hey, show me to your convention. Yes, it's true. Rayner is all the way from More's, Germany, and just down the road from him is our good friend Paul Eddie Cox from Dublin, Ireland. Spectacular place to hang out and party and have good times. Right, Paul knows what I'm talking about. And let's go over to where some of my people will hail from. In Hull, East Yorkshire, England, it's Ian O. Walton's first name is Ian. They're pretty much obligated to be English. I think it seems like it might be even a law. I'm not sure, but Ian could testify for us Anyhow, that's what I got in my continental trip through the provinces, Uncle Jim, what's going on in your neck of the woods.

32:53 Well, we're gonna swing right back here to the United States of America. We're gonna say hello and thank you to Alan Stevens who's listening to us Sanford, Maine. Yeah. Yeah, And we also want to say hello and thank you to John Diez who's in Shelton, Connecticut, and Shannon Williams who's in Lindawold, New Jersey, and other Jersey. And last, but definitely not least, from the Big Apple, we want to say hello, thank you and apply to Andy Farber who's from New York City. And that, my friends, wraps up our fan shout outs for this week. If you would like to hear your name mentioned on a fan shout out, just head over to our Facebook page Trek Talking, and beyond you'll see to Live Long and Prosper page and right to the top. Just stop there, tell us where you're listening from, and leave some emojis. It gets my attention. If you see a heart next your name from yours truly, Uncle Jim, then you want to tune into a future fan shout outs because your name is going to be mentioned and why you're there, Send us one of your pictures like this picture right here of me and Eric and a bunch of fans from Trek Connor Roga and of course there's Paul in the trash compactor.

33:58 You guys, hit your photos and we'll see them right there on the screen when we do our fan shout out. All right, guys, you ready to do some polls? You know me like no win what you thought about the show? Then we try to share your opinions with all of our minions out there because they listen worldwide. So tell us just what you think. Get together. We will all term Canara and robbylin. A God, I just love that song all right. Every week on our Facebook page, I ask you guys poll questions and all kinds of great stuff and you you can answer them and you can go to our Facebook pagecheck talking and beyond it take place in our poll so that your voice can be heard. So David, you want to run the video incoming works?

35:02 Are Nature detected in the orbit of parnasas Beta Middler? Do we have visuals? Yes, Captain, I believe it is a gor and hunter ship. Law and prepare phasers. The polture far face is loved and holding. Sir, Captain, I'm receiving a secure communication from outside of the interference field. It's from Starfleet. What does it say? Okay, they've received a message from the Gorn, Sir, message saying what. It's an image? Stand by It looks like a demarcation line with Parnassas Beta and all their forces on the far side of the line.

35:49 Starfleet has ordered us to maintain our side of the line. The man crew ready room now all right, So there's the video. What's the question? Eric? In the star a Strange New World Season two finale Hegemony, Captain Pike violates orders and crosses the Gorn demarcation line to rescue Captain Bateel. Do you agree with his decision? No, surprise, ninety six percent of our responders agree with his decision to cross the line, and only four percent I assume that is a half A person or perhaps a child, said no, they did not agree. It was a Gor child, it was aid, yeah, maybe we only count Gordon votes half and.

36:35 Here it was somebody from Congress Yeah, congressman. Yeah, a very very small reasoning capacity. So yeah, pretty good, pretty good, pretty fare bath. I'd say yeah. I figured with Strange New World's premiering tonight, after the long wait, we should have some Strange New World's questions. What are you guys? You guys like that for sure? So we have another poll question. David, you want to run the video? I do? Why do you want it?

37:15 Collin Us? When you've got your troubles? Are you. Plan? You try to talk to yourself? You know? I love it? I love it? Okay, you guys saw the video? What's the question? Eric? In the Strange New World's episode Subspace Rhapsody, the Klingons show up and sing a K pop song? Do you think the scene would have played better if they sang cling On Opera? So, if it would have played better, so if something different would have been better? And seventy seven percent of our responders said no, they liked it just the way it was, and twenty three percent said that they would have rather have seen Clingon Opera. I personally thought the k pop was perfect. Opera is almost expected at this point, or heavy metal maybe from Klingons, and so the fact that they threw some K pop in there was freaking hilarious.

38:20 And if you guys remember our interview with Bruce Horrick, he said that they recorded it both ways and there is a Klingon Opera version. But you know what I'm with you, Eric, I think Klingon singing kling On opera would be normal, right. So I think it was great just the way it was. I don't think it needed to be different. But what did you think, Paul, did you want to see Bruce Horrick break out on some kling On opera? No? I mean yeah, no, no, I mean you know it's like, yeah, I don't want to fan fiiction it, right, I mean, this is what they did. I like to judge it from what they presented that what they presented was and it's ainything as now, it was great. You know, it's a bit of a stretch anyway to have a musical episode that's completely you know, musical, right for a science fiction show, right, And I think the audience was like and to add a liberal dose of comedy like this that was such a crowd pleaser that sells it, right.

39:21 So it was a smart move. I mean, I don't think anybody except for some dumb ass congressman it's our four percent, would want it otherwise, So you know, yeah, I mean I think it's slamm dunk. Absolutely, this is you know, this is one of the I mean easily. It's like if you were like having people watch the show and recording their emotional engagement, right, and then you get to this scene. It would be like that, right, because everybody loves that scene. It's hilarious. You know, it's it's brief. I think the importance of conveying things briefly and not drawing it out for an interminal amount of time can never be overestimated or underappreciated. So that was a brief bit of comedy. Let's all learn a lesson from that.

40:05 Yeah, and Bruce did a great job. And hope maybe we'll see him back again. Who knows. Yep, I hope so. I hope so too. I hope so too. It would be great. But what did you think, David? Did you like it? Or it should have been opera? Yeah? No, they were perfect. It was perfect. Okay, so we agree it was perfect? All right? So I decided, because it has been a long time since we saw season two, that we might want to just go back real quick and briefly recap the season and I've broken it up in different episodes for each one of the co hosts, and I've got episode one of season two, the Broken Circle. David, do you have a clip to show?

40:59 It's a distressing Who is it from Lahan, Sir? It has to be from la On. She knows our maintenance schedule. It was being right. As so deception even not Trump. The Admiral was pretty definitive. Yeah, our former combat is in trouble. She has indicated aid to her is essential for the safety of the Federation. I will need you or help you get the inspectors off the ship and achieve our objective, but I will not ask you to do something you believe is wrong. If you need to believe report this plan, I will not stand in your way.

41:43 What plan? I would have thought it obvious. We must steal the Enterprise, all right, stealing the Enterprise. This is the Broken Circle that originally aired on June fifteenth, twenty twenty three, a distress call from on compel Spot to disobey orders and take the Enterprise and its crew into disputed space on our rescue mission. When we originally asked this question on our Facebook page, the fans gave it a score of seven point five. So that's what our fans scored it, seven point five. And Paul as our next episode, David, do you want to do your magic?

42:45 Will be? Okay? Definitely talk be guilty, you know, star. Business, no anxile, You'll still be a free Federation citizen. Starflee is willing to seal your records. And look the other way. They want to cover their mistake. They are grateful for your service. Wha, you don't want to drag this out and you don't want others to get dragged in. It's a fair deal. It's a good deal giving the evidence. She's right, we won't get better.

43:26 This charge can carry two years imprisonment at the minimum. Don't you think we should sidebar this conversation. That's a good idea. Take some time, talk it over with your counsel. How can he counsel me when he works for you? Okay? So that episode Friends number two is add astra per aspirin, and that is, of course a Latin phrase that translates to through the stars through hardship, and in this case, the hardship or the difficulties are very personal ones. For Unichin Riley, that moto was often used to express the idea that great achievements require overcoming tremendous challenges and obstacles.

44:12 And in this episode, Unichin Riley faces court martial, imprisonment, and even dishonorable discharge from Starfleet because she hid her Illyrian heritage, which includes being genetically enhanced, which is a practice that in this point in time is banned in Starflee. Right, So we have an episode that is exploring themes of prejudice, of discrimination and also the Starfleet judicial system. Right, So Pike reaches out and gets the help of a woman named Nira Catoole, who's the childhood friends of una very skilled lawyer with a complicated past, hoping that she will defend her. And I kept expecting Samuel T. Cogley from Court Martial in the original series to show up because that same kind of vibe to it. Right, real classics set up there. So you have a nice episode that delves into UMA's past a little bit, and the challenge is faced by Illyrians and the Federation, culminating in this really cool courtroom drama that actually questions the ideals of Starfleet and the Federation. So you have the idea of prejudice against genetically engineered people, the consequences of when you have to hide your true identity, something a lot of people are dealing with now and fighting for justice well in a really flawed system. Episode concludes with her fate being a little uncertain, and we're sitting in the audience pondering the implications of what that means for Illyrians and Starfleet. So, for my money, terrific episode. I think our fans gave it like a nine point three, but it really is.

45:45 I mean, I think that's you know, I think for old school original series fans, these are the kind of episodes that really resonate well because they feel like classic episodes and they explore those kind of themes that I think are timeless and engaging for viewers. So that's my that's my thought on this episode. Yeah, I mean, I agree with you, Paul. I think this, personally, at least for me, is my favorite episode this season. I think that it was just really really well done. And while other episodes like These Old Scientists had kind of like the kitch fun factor and that sort of thing, this one was very serious, but you had very plaignant, lots of really good story thrown in there. So I really liked this episode.

46:29 Yeah, our fans liked it a lot too, Victoria, what did you think about it? Well? I was reminded of the DS nine episode where they find out doctor Basher is genetically enhanced and he almost gets kicked out of Starfleet. But that's his parents were the ones who had him genetically modified because he was like underdeveloped or slow or something like that. But so that's what I immediately thought about it. I thought this was an excellent an excellent episode because you know, the dignity that Una shows in the midst of you know, her whole world is falling apart. I think just really speaks to her character.

47:19 Yeah, and I like the fact that the rest of the crew stood behind her too. Oh yeah, that's that's important as. Well, particularly the captain. He had her back the whole time. I mean, I think, Jim, that's what makes it a episode of Star Trek, you know, versus maybe some other science fiction show. Was the fact that it's a team. That it's that it's not the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few all the time. Sometimes the needs of the one outweigh the needs of the many. And that's okay, that's the way it should be. Absolutely, I agree completely and Eric, and that brings us, that brings us up to you.

47:59 Oh yes, do we have a clip? Yep, David's on it. You're curiously won't let you get to the reactor. I'm coming to the reactor. What the reactor? Excluding just trying this is it? That's what changes? Oh that was plan A. I can't use a hand grenade. Should use this as scampold opening, use your handprint to open the door. No, are you gonna kill me?

49:05 Okay? This is of course tomorrow and Tomorrow and tomorrow, episode three from the season and this, as you can tell from the trailer or from the clip we just played, this is a law On centric time travel adventure where the Enterprise's chief of security is thrust into a mission across time when a wounded man from the future gives her a device and warns of a catastrophic attack on twenty first century Earth Transported to modern day Toronto. She teams up with a displaced James T. Kirk, who's of course from a different timeline and equally disoriented and curious about Earth life. From revolving doors to street hot dogs. In fact, in his timeline, Earth barely exists. It sounds like they uncover a photonic bomb linked to a cold fusion reactor hidden beneath a genetics institute, and along the way, Lawn and Kirk bond in a sort of fish out of water style before romulent a gent Sarah reveals herself and mortally wounds Kirk. Spoiler alert, aiming to assassinate young Khan Noonians sing before he can rise. Of course, that's the child that we just saw in our clip. But Laan diffuses the situation, spares Khan as a child, and returns to the Enterprise because she knows timelines matter, And that is where a Department of Temporal Investigations agent warns her to keep the mission secret. So this episode really blends moral dilemmas, temporal steaks, character growth, and even a

50:35 doomed romance, spotlighting Laan and Kirk in a compelling stand alone tale. This was an episode that when I first saw it, I was kind of like, ah, it's a time travel episode, And I watched it and I thought it was a solid seven. Upon multiple viewings, I kind of have really grown into this episode and I actually like it quite a bit for me. The character growth aspect of it is its strongest part. On sort of learns in this episode through her interactions with Kirk and through kind of having to go back and deal with something that culminates in this crossover with her ancestor, that you know, it's okay to have this kind of checkered past, this monkey on her back that people constantly, you know, relate when they hear Noonian sing, They're just like, oh crap, okay, you know. And it's not unlike us or many people these days, who you know, see people with a certain name, or see people of a certain color, or see people from a certain country and just kind of have these immediate assumptions. It was a great episode that kind of explored what it was like for a person to really find their way through everybody else's preconceived notions of her.

51:54 And I want to jump go ahead, Charles. I want to jump in and say I like this episode to the fact that it's not a one shot episode. This episode will come back and we will discuss this later in the season. And I like how it's not just a throwaway episode. It they build upon it later. I thought it was cool that UFOs were explained as being Romulins. I thought that was a neat little twist when they were showing all the UFO pictures and they were they were actually Romulin ships. Say well that's cool. Now we know what happened at Roswell. It was the Romulins, No I thought.

52:38 I thought it was Cork. Yeah, Cork and rom and nog. They were the ones we men, little green men, yeah, little men. In this timeline, it was it was the Romulans. I always got to blame them, hesty Romulins. All right, well v you've got our next one, but first our miracle or David has a clip. I saw a little streak in the sky and a show. When you serve as the oomen on the Enterprise, you become an expert. Zach, you're live, I thought, does it easier conscience?

53:18 I'm just happy to see you. This person, he's a KaiA from the report. Oh, I wasn't killed in action. I was stuff behind. Look I understand here, upset. It must have been hard surviving here on your own, but you managed it. You have no idea. This isn't a normal planet. Mit. Haven't you noticed how hard it is to think the ringing in your ears. You thought that too. The radiation here affects your brain, first the ringing, lost time, fear, then finally there forgetting.

54:00 At wow RV. Well, let's see among the Lotus eaters is where they returned to a planet that dredges up tragic memories. And as we learned from that clip, the one person that survives because they lost several others. But Captain Pike and his landing party find themselves forgetting everything. And I have to say having sensitive hearing, and also tonight is which I know William Shatner talks about. But anyway, the noise that they had I had. I could see why people would forget, but every time that came on, I had to turn down the volume watching the episode. But they forget each a little more, and they forget even their own identities. And Pike can fronts of ghost from his past, and which is the that yeoman Zach that doesn't seem to be too happy about that. But the let's say I wrote down some notes. I can read my handwriting.

55:15 So they're on Rachel seven was the planet they had visited seven years earlier, and it's the klar Our Bronze Age Caste system warriors and ruling class. And the thing that brings them back to the planet is that they have adopted Starfleet insignia, which they find out is from Zach, so they have to go incognity. I don't know, fancy weapons or anything like that, but it confuses, you know, the sound confuses everybody, let's see. But the biggest thing about it that was really significant that I found interesting.

56:02 It explores your identity, your purpose, and the nature cyclical nature, repeating the past mistakes, and that is just, you know, who are we without our identities? Basically, you know, we have to you know, see what's left and and try to figure out who they are without their memories. But what I liked about it is when or Tagas is on the ship still and she uh, finally she figures out who she is and she'll repeat over and over, I'm Erica, or tagis I fly the ship and so between she and Spock, they're able to get the you know, get things resolved and they find out it's the radiation in the debris field that's making everybody forget. But the tough part is when Pike is confronting or not confronting, but he has met up with Captain Marie Battell, whom he had a relationship with, and I guess it's difficult having a relationship in space. And then he says the dreaded words that I don't care where you are on space, on Earth, whatever planet. To slow things down a bit, let's step back and let's see how things go. So that was something I learned. I didn't know he had

57:34 a relationship with anybody else in Starfleet. So for me, let's see. It was rated a seven point eight, so I think that's pretty solid. I would say seven point five just because of that's that ringing noise that they had that hurt my ears. But that's my take on among the low diseaters. Paul, what did you think about this episode? This is one of my least favorite episodes of last season. Yeah, I found it really I thought the writing was really simpar and not good, and I had a lot of given the location that, you know, the planet of Rigel, I thought it was going to be a lot more interesting referencing some of that stuff that we'd seen from you know, the old Cage flashback, with the you know, with you know, old school Pike, right with Kayla and whatnot.

58:24 And I really think they blew it. And I just found this to be really just way too abstract and kind of tedious in terms of just for me, the kind of storytelling I relate to. I think eighty percent of season two was really really great, but there were two episodes that just tanked for me, and this is one of them. Yeah. I was trying to, Yeah, I was trying to put a bit of a positive spin on it, but I think the deal breaker was that that noise, that ringing wasn't that that was pretty bad. It was just gloomy and depressing, and there was just no you know, it was just it was all you know, allegory and no freaking plot. You know, it was just you know, it's just yeah, whenever it's like, I'm the King and I made this whole. I created a magical, you know, mythology that everyone's following that normally would take centuries, but I did it in like six months or whatever.

59:20 Which I think there was a there was an original series episode. I can't think of the name of it, but were they They more or less did the same thing, but their symbol was was the American flag. You're talking like Omega glory. Yeah, yeah, that's it. That's it. Yeah, great, which I have a really soft spot for. I can't help it. I love it. I love the freaking episode. It's just great. But yeah, I just found this one. It's just was it was, It's just it just was kind of a bummer for me. I just it was no fun. And yeah, most of them, I think season two I just loved for the most part, but this was one of the ones that it was just like, you know, no desire to see it again down if all we're watching the second time. Yes, not my kind of writing.

1:00:03 It definitely was a nice nod to the cage having to go back to right or seven kinds of things, but that story could have probably been a lot better. Mm hmm, I agree, mh What do you think, Eric? I one hundred percent agree with Paul and I have nothing else to add. All right, Well, on that note, we'll move on, all right, roll the tape. David. Thank you to Proud. That must have been very difficult for you to. Say many fonts beyond the mind control.

1:00:44 Your vulcan nature is diluted, so it must have been challenging to hold on to your logical side. I am impressed that you achieved this despite your handicap, because. It would have been impossible for a human to gone from this ritual successfully without question? What are you doing? So? It must be a great embarrassment to know that this entire ritual was performed by a human, not a folcan. Is this part of charades? How many syllables did this human use? I am the human.

1:01:34 Spa all right with a fan score of nine point four. The episode follows Spock's journey, encompassing his human transformation, instances of profanity, and unique engagement dinner the Vishall Dinner starts with the printing in his and her parents, His experiences profound emotional upheaval marked by uncontrolled laughter and intense hunger, along challenges in his relationship with his mother in law. The story further devolves as an interdimensional voyage where three crew members endeavored to repair him through alien contact, accumulating in Chapel's heartfelt confession of his of her feelings. Evey summaration, Very good episode, very vulcan and seeing the human side up.

1:02:37 Spock and the well deserved nine point four for this one. Yeah, I enjoyed. I had fun watching this one. You know I loved I loved not the mother in law. I thought the father in law stole the show myself. You know, if if he could have, he would have stood there and said yes, dear, yes, dear, yes dear, because he pretty much agreed with everything that she said. But I thought that he stole the show for me in this episode. But I didn't. I enjoyed it overall though. I thought it was a lot of fun. Definitely a lot of fun and watching watching Spock and Chapel, it was very enjoyable. I'm kind of with the minions on this one myself. Nine point four, I mean, is.

1:03:31 Not one of the greatest strengths of Strange New Worlds that we are in the era where Spock is figuring out his identity, right, and so we get the opportunity. We always had hints in tos of that sort of thing, but in Strange New Worlds we actually get to explore with him. So we get him doing things like not just the cage laughing out loud, but like the you know, because he's drugged, you know, him not being drugged and laughing at out loud, or him exploring parts of his personality or in this particular scene that we actually just watched him actually standing up for himself in front of his mother in law. Dude, can you like imagine a more terrifying scenario than to be you know what, mother in law? This is who I am, and take it or leave it. And you know, to pring is like you could tell she I mean, you could tell that they weren't made for each other, because to bring the whole time is like, spuck, I can't believe you're doing That's what her face says. Yes, Charles, I.

1:04:33 Say, one of the scenes is hilarious. It's in suddenly getting addicted to bacon. Oh yeah, and he just sits there and can't stop eating it. You know why, Charles, because bacon tastes good. Pork chops taste good. Right. You get to see the extreme emotions and it just the streaming emotions that spot feels. And you know, I think it's one of the things is you know, as we get used to this series, right, you know, just starting its third season today, right, I think one of the strengths of this show is there more than any I think any other aspect of the Star Trek franchises, these guys can pull off comedy when they choose to write. I mean, they don't always do it that often, but I think when they really have it, I love that. You know, it's it's like when they when they when they pull it off together and it's not like cloying. You know. They've been a couple of earlier attempts that I didn't think played as well. But when this is a good example of it, I think they can use comedy. And I would say the musical episode too, is you know, really definitely handled right. And he knew that Spock's in law future in laws were from the Upper West Side. I had no idea, right, I mean, they're just completely you know, no, no, I mean like like like from the like you know, the more culture.

1:06:02 Like, Oh well, I think you meant the accent. In New York I'm talking to did you go to Julliard's talk? You know, where are your people from? Do they somewhere in the Hampton's And it's more like that kind of you. Know New York family. It is hilarious. Well, and they also looked down. They looked down on him, at least I got the impression that they're definitely he is not the ideal son. In law because he's part he's half human. But it's kind of like your boyfriend is. Yeah, king is less than ideal.

1:06:44 But the one, the one bit that made me laugh out loud is when Stock, you know, is experiencing the emotions and I think he I think he was in his goes into his quarters and he grabs a pillow and just screams into it and then puts it back down. You know, Uh, like who knew that he has a very human thing. Well, at least it is for me to scream into a pillow so nobody hears you, but you get all those emotions out. It's amazing how much humor you can put into an episode full of bokens that have no motion.

1:07:25 Oh and and Ethan Ethan Peck. I just the more I watch him, the more I love him. I mean not just not just because he comes from you know, Hollywood royalty, with his grandfather being Gregory Peck, but he he's got he's got the chops for for that role. Definitely. All right, David, you have episode six, buddy. All right, here's here. Gosh, I think I think it's. Ramona. It was damaged to the language center of his brain.

1:08:07 My brain stands elevated activity in the same spot, and we were both hearing that thing sound, someone or some things trying to communicate them. What are they trying to say? The walls doesn't mean because they feel trust I was attacking the still because we are responsible. He showed me the ship exploding, because they're just what's a great free but we're killing them, killing the ones they love, and that's what they're making me feel.

1:08:51 All right, So this is definitely a Halloween episode called loss in translation, uh Ah seems to be the only one who can hear a strange sound that seemed to trigger terrifying hallucinations. So the permise of this episode was an interesting one that I thought was kind of a Halloween episode because of course hallucinations got Bruce Horror back, who's a zombie, and you got all these different things that have been going on on the ship that nobody else seems to know except for her. But yet there was some other guy who apparently died in some sort of the catwalk of the Michelle the discarship, and Horror felt so super bad about that. Okay, you know, she was trying to shave them and everything.

1:09:41 But to me, this. Episode kind of has a a nod to like, of course, a lot of the horror movies that I don't really like to watch, but just the idea that, uh, seeing hallucination of things that you think are real is scary enough to think that you're doing going haywire and make me feel like you're crazy. That that alone, to me is like, oh, man, I don't think i'd ever want to hearence something like that, because you know, she was pointing out the language sector of the brain which kind of burnt out, so oh yeah, you know, she can hear things even we can't. So she's just like understanding slowly about what these particular aliens who live in the Nebula that apparently they were shiphening deterium fuel or warp fuel, I guess. And to me that the structure for some odd reason looks like the Sona from the Next Generation the Generation movie I forgot what to call.

1:10:53 But generations or was it in direction to something? That's right? Yeah, so I mean just the structure of it. But but yeah, eventually uhuh finds out that they were apparently killing the aliens that were inside the Nebula, and so to me, I was like yeah, kind of an interesting episode. It didn't get quite a fan score a lot of the other ones, but to me, I felt like this one had an interesting story, it was unique in a way. But I mean, I'm it's definitely not my favorite, but definitely up there with a lot of them. But yeah, that might take on it.

1:11:40 Where'd you think Eric one of your favorites. I think that they wanted to write a really good story about Uhura, and I think they struggled to figure out how to do that, and I think that it is kind of, you know, it's a hard thing to like how can you take this like very idiosyncratic skill and represent it on screen? So there was some stuff that I liked about the episode, for sure. There are some ties into one of my favorite episodes of Voyager Equinox that are pretty obvious, with the killing the things while you're trying to do the thing, you know. But yeah, this was for me, one of the two weakest episodes of the season. For sure. I wanted to really like it because it was about Uhua, who I think is an amazing character, but yeah, yeah, just a little subpar for me.

1:12:31 Well, Zombie Hammer really really. That was actually like okay, so Bruce Wax awesome. Zombie hemmer in theory is awesome. That moment literally pulled me right out of the episode, Like I didn't think it was that great. Well, I mean if they were dancing the thriller Michael Jackson the musical. But yeah, Hammer, Hammer was my favorite. I loved seeing Hammer. What do you think, Paul, did you like it? No? Hate it? Okay? Is exactly right. This is one of the two episodes of the season that I just you know, nice effort, trying really hard, but it's just abstract and I seem to recall I have no desire to watch this one again.

1:13:18 I seem to call the direction was not on this one at all. And you know, I mean, the prosthetic makeup is no in recognizing the former member of the the This is no substitute for good writing. And so this is just not a great episode. So much more interesting talking about the next episode of the Q. Speaking of which, Roll the Tape, David. So Ritos has just entered the orbit of Krollmouth B, home of the Krolmouth B Portal, one. Of my all time favorite portals. We're taking portal readings and making sure the portal area is free. Of any portal problems. It was discovered by.

1:14:00 Imagine what it must have been like to be with those experienceance, Hey Butler. Like, give me a spot both, Oh yeah, long and prospers. Guys, the ancient thing is doing a thing. The portals, trying to portal one more. Hush huh, you guys look.

1:14:41 Very realistic, all right, Charles, take it away, buddy, Okay. And I think I know why Paul wants to talk about this one. With a fan score of nine point two with an animated with a unique animated intro featuring a Lowerjeck theme. Brad Boimler travels through a portal, landing on the Enterprise. He's concerned he's influenced Spock, who was now zibiting more human traits. Oriyan sees a portal and then trade it for grain. Beckett Mariner also rides via the portal. Boimler and Mariner assist in locating a power source on the Enterprise. Boiler confesses it to number one.

1:15:33 He possesses Herbert recruitment poster at aspara, per at astro per aspara. That's the summary. So Paul, why don't you what did you think about this episode. Did you agree with our minion score on this one? Buddy? This is I think Strange World's at its best. Okay, every now and then I see once or twice a year they try to do something really different, right, Like the musical episode we're gonna talking about just a little bit, right, but this was great. I mean the Lower Decks at It's, you know, is an inconsistent show, right. Sometimes it's really really funny and just brilliant, and other times it's kind of like, you know, it's it's finding its way. But this was phenomenal. They took what could have been a really catchy idea. I remember a year in advance we read about this and I was just like, I was kind of like Uncle Jim with the musical episode, right, I'm like, oh, combining lower decks and having the cartoons uppear on the show. I go, that's that's gonna suck.

1:16:40 I was like, really super not looking forward to this episode at all, and I could not have been happier to be proved wrong. Right. I thought, this is an absolutely charming episode. The writing was top tier, it was clever, it was funny, and it was full of these great as Boemler is like recognizing folks that he's read about from history and trying not to screw up the timeline and you know, fanboying him like it's somebody at a convention, right, everybody meets and he's just trying so hard not to screw things up, but his enthusiasm is just boundless. It's just this is a really clever episode, a great writing, and it just made me like Lower Decks ten times more because of how engaging these performances were. This is an episode that shouldn't work and it works beautifully because it's just everybody involved just really brought their a game and they tried something different and they worked it and it was just great.

1:17:37 So I love this episode. Yeah, it makes me think that they could do a Lower Decks live action movie if they wanted. The Yes think about this episode being our wearing the Cerritos. Yeah yeah, I am team Ritos. Yes, this I think it should have gotten the higher score. That's just me. I would have I rated it a ten. No, it was just it was very well done. It was so clever, and the fact that Tawny Newsome and Jack Quaid looked so much like the animated characters was just was awesome. He even had the purple hair. And there's one scene you'd see it, just you don't, you have to watch for it, but he's doing the section thirty one walk down the corridor. But you know they bring in, you know, when they meet the Orions, and so we have a friend, you know in our timeline named Tendy, but we call her the Mistress of the Winter Constellation. And that just makes the whole thing, you know, the dangerous scenario with the Orion's just totally work out. But the fact that when they're back in the animated version and then Ransom is looking at Boemler's poster of and he you know, the joke, the inside joke there is when he said, oh, she looks great, basically, and the joke is, of course

1:19:08 that Jerry O'Connell in real life is married to Rebecca Romaine. So I like that little little tie in. And then when they animated the Strange New World's people at the end, because they were drinking those what was it, whatever the drink was that Mariner made for them and they're hallucinating. That was just that was just top tier. I agree with everybody. That was just absolutely my favorite and I'll watch it over and over. Eric, what about you, buddy? Did you like it? You agree with dominions? Yeah, I mean I think V hit the nail on the head there where. This is an episode that I want to watch over and over and over again. I feel like I could watch this episode six, eight, ten times and I wouldn't get sick of it. And there are very few episodes of Strange New Worlds where that is true. And maybe it's because this one is a little bit more lower decks and I will watch Lowers over and over again. But yeah, this is absolutely top tier, one of the two best episodes. I put it only slightly below the one that I just said was my favorite, But the the number of jokes per minute and the quality of the jokes per minute was fantastic. I love it when Boimler goes into like Pike's office and there's this saddle and he like throws his leg over the

1:20:38 saddle as his ricker, like, yes, yes, that is the Riker maneuver. I don't know if you remember, not, Jim, but I have performed the Riker maneuver on stage. You've got a lot of respect for it before, so. Did our podcast, our podcast panel. You did the Riker maneuver. I did do the Riker maneuver, and instantly people were in the palm of my hand. So, yeah, this is fantastic, Strange New World's absolutely at its best. Loved it. What do you think, Charles, you recommend it? Oh? Definitely. I watched it today and I had forgotten parts the episode and realized, Man, this was a great episode and just the great work they did with it.

1:21:28 Bring up the caboos. Yeah, this episode was definitely my favorite out of the season two. So I would watch it over and over and I too would give it a ten. So yeah, well, you know, it's it's odd because the last three episodes of the season all scored extremely high by the Minions, which brings us up to episode eight, Roll the Tape. David the Enterprise has arrived at the Prospero system for rendezvous with the Kelsey May in order to pick up a special visitor. Prospero has been under start jurisdiction since the end of the Klingon War. After years of in fighting, all three planets have finally reached a ceasefire agreement negotiated by a unique Federation ambassador. Enterprise has been tasked with transporting the ambassador to Starbase twelve. Our order should make him feel welcome. However, our esteem guest is a Klingon, a former general who defected to our side. Most of my crew didn't fight in the war, but some did the siege at starby Zeta Athos.

1:22:37 I didn't mean to hit a nerd Okay, you're right. I don't really know what he's about. All I know is the stories like that he killed his own men to cover his retreat. There's a reason other Klingons call him the Butcher of Jagaul. Captain on the Bridge. All right, Well, obviously I got this episode and you'll never guess why. Was one of those Klingon centric episodes. Episode eight, Under the Cloak of War, Captain Pike and his crew welcome a Klingon defector aboard the Enterprise, but his presence triggers the revelation of some shocking secrets. Our minions gave it a nine point nine, and I'm right there with them, and I would have given it a ten.

1:23:20 But I think I think Eric and I discussed this in depth when we first saw it. I really think that they made a big mistake and they missed an opportunity to show us Discovery Klingons. They should have been Discovery Klingons, but they went with the old classic Klingon instead, And at this point in time, the Klingon War was raging and they should have been Discovery Klingons. But you know that aside outstanding outstanding episode, it deals with a lot of things prejudice basically, you know, was this guy telling the truth? We find out he wasn't. Did am Benga kill him? Uh? Well, we had that debate on the podcast.

1:24:06 I'm pretty sure the answer is yes, is what we decided. But yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, they left that up to us to decide, and I think that's the mark of a great episode. I think Star Trek did that so well with Tos and it's like it's up to you to decide, you know, did he or didn't he? I think that he did myself. But that's what makes this episode work so well, is so powerful as they show you everybody's opinion, what everybody thought, how everybody felt. Uh, they lay it all out for you and they leave it to you, as a fan to decide what actually happens. So I'm with the fans on this one. Nine point nine all the way, how about you, Paul. Oh yeah, I mean one of the best episodes of the season. You know, it's just like not to be uncertain that my Benga did what we think is to be uncertain that Norman Bates dresses up as his mother.

1:24:56 I mean, you know, there's really not a lot of ambiguity here, but it was done really definitely right, and the show succeeds really well. I'll talk about this later about not insulting your intelligence most of the time, which is just refreshing. They don't hit you over the head. But this was great. This was a story, This is a this is a PTSD episode, if you will, right, this is all about the aftermath of war. Right. We've heard a little bit about the Klingon war smatteringly throughout various parts of the franchise, but I don't know if we really had a really good look at it from a survivor's vantage point like we did veing here. We learned a lot of things about the Benga and and other you know, folks on the ship who've served. We learned a lot about the Klingons and uh and just the moral ambiguity, and and the fact that there's people who you know, think back to like Kotos the executioner from Conscience of the King and the original series, right, people who've done bad things and are still trying to like you know, make their way through the world and sleep at night, right one means or another. So really great writing, excellent turn by the guest star as the US it cling on here and just again just flight writing and and and it's nice to see, you know, we're just talking about how well they do comedy, right, and they can just you know flip so definitely and come over here a couple of weeks later and do a really serious, you know, traumatic story about the aftermath of war. Right. That's that's playing for a pretty deep bench.

1:26:27 So I really got to give it up to these guys. Dynamite episode. Yeah, Paul, your comparison to Conscience of the King, I think is very poignant. Here. You see a klingon here at General right, who first appears to be like trying to make up for past transgressions and stuff, which is of course what that TOS episode is all about. And the sheer tension that is in this episode from the very beginning and you feel the tension through the whole thing. I mean just that scene that we rolled right there. You see everybody's face, even even Pike's log. You know, he's like mack mucmough. We're getting this guy, but he's a klingon, you know. I mean that's kind of racist, but like you also understand it because they just went through a war with them, So that tie back to Discovery is really cool since that is literally the genesis of Strange New Worlds in and of itself. Yeah, fantastic episode, absolutely top tier. One of my top three from the season. Wow, top four.

1:27:28 There's so many good ones. Top four this season for me. Yeah, I remember going back and watching this the second time and I was just like, check it out if you have it for a while. But the direction is just crisp. I mean, it is just spot on the editing. There's not a wasted moment. It's just you know, every scene's written very specifically, nothing drags on too long. You get just enough information and you get a lot of those kind of like whoa moment reveals like the person you know for or Tegus to be saying he was called the butcher up. Is like dude, that's right. I mean that could be really funny in the right in the you know, different context, right, but the way they play it, it's just mortified, right because it's like, so it was just great. You've got to just love what they're able. They're able to just you know, pivot and have such different tones from one episode to the other.

1:28:20 So I love this episode. Yes, it's It's definitely one of my favorites for sure. For sure. All Right, well, David, roll the tape because this next one, I think is going to get a lot communication opposers. Law start a two three nine eight point three traveling in. The far edge of the alphapadrant, and we have encountered. An unusual phenomenon and naturally occurring subspace bowld. Lieutenant's Bock deposits it can be used to triple the speed of subspace communications in this sector, but his experiment requires so much computer power that the rest of the ship has to communicate.

1:29:02 Healing frequency is open old fashion engineering. Are you ready to continue our experiment? Yes, Lieutenant Momentary. Have you tried sending music through we have not? Do you believe music may yeldated results? Old days A. Glimpse of Stockton was looked on something shocking but knocking. Anything. Okay, Eric, you get this, will take it away. It's all your show now. I will take it.

1:29:44 Yeah. So wow. Talk about riskiest episodes of Star Trek ever, this, of course is Subspace Rhapsody episode nine. The USS Enterprise investigates, as says, a naturally occurring subspace fold, hoping spots experien will enhance faster than light communications. But when she broadcasts coal porters, anything goes through it. A quantum probability field envelops the ship and soon the fleet, forcing everyone to burst into song and dance, expressing their deepest emotions as if in a musical. Amid this surreal chaos, Number one in Kirk perform a heartfelt duet connect to Your Truth, while Ann confronts her unresolved feelings for Kirk, how would that feel? Spock and Chapel have emotional solos that underscore their burgeoning relationship and its inevitable end. The anomaly spreads beyond the Enterprise, even engulfing Klingon ships, complete with a delightfully absurd K pop style dance which we already looked at by Bruce Hoax. Klingon General garak Our, Garkock, Garkog. Ultimately, the crew unites in a powerful ensemble finale called We Are One to collapse the musical reality and restore normal We'll see, Reinforcing the episode's theme of emotional honesty through collaboration.

1:31:05 This episode blends humor heart spectacle, which of course is the essence of musicals. It earns praise as Trek's first and most emotionally resondent musical episode. It's no surprise except maybe to v who wasn't on the podcast at the time. But I was ridiculously excited about this episode before it came back. Like ridiculously excited I was. I love musicals. I love the spectacle of musicals. I love the overtopidness. I love the exploration of people's feelings through song. I don't mind when somebody walks on top of the mountain and like looks at the moon and starts singing about themselves.

1:31:45 I think, I think it's what we all want to do in our hearts. Like honestly, so, I was so into this episode. But my favorite part of this episode, Jim, was the fact that you weren't really sure about it. I saw it and you were like, you know what, dude, that was actually bomber And I totally agree. This episode was so fun. I mean how there were so many skeptics right, everybody said, how can you possibly make a musical episode of Star Trek, And then they did it and it was successful, and it had the correct amount of you know, tre explaining of things. It had the correct amount of human interaction and like good character things happening.

1:32:34 It had humor and honestly, like most people on this crew can actually sing, so that was not lost on me either. So I absolutely loved this one. This was the only episode all season that garnered tens from every single one of the trexperts, and it was right up there for our minions. They rated it a nine point eight, so fantastic episode, super duper risky, but they totally suck the landing. And Eric I got to say, when we've heard about this and I thought, what in the hell are they doing this? I literally are they literally are flushing it down a toilet. I have no desire to see this crap it all, don't care have to watch it for the podcast. That's how I felt. But you know what, it was one of the best episodes I've seen, and I'll tell you why. For me, I thought that it played like a Star Trek episode. It wasn't just them singing for the fact of singing. There was a purpose, there was a reason it was. It was tre explained perfectly, and the dancing Klingons won me over it did it did when they came on at the end, The look on Pike's face when he turned around this episode. I argue with people about this episode all the time. Give it a chance and watch it, because I was one of those haters, and boy was iron This episode is fun,

1:34:05 it's heartfelt. There's a lot of great character development in the episode, and the dancing, singing Klingons just put it over the top for me. So yeah, ten for me, love it, love it, love it. Can't say enough good about it? What about U? V oh? I agree with everything that everybody has said, And I remember when because I didn't like everything, I always seemed to be late to the party, so to speak. So I wasn't watching it when it first came on, But boy am I catching up now and loving it. But I remember seeing like I'm the Star Trek related facebook pages, how people were just saying ooh, a singing episode of musical.

1:34:48 I happened to love musicals too, so I've got a collection of you know, records, and my favorite musical, by the way, is seventeen seventy six. That's another story, but. Yeah, this one has a great vinyl soundtrack that you can buy for twenty four bucks. Will okay? All right? Yeah? No? And you know, like y'all said, dancing Klingons, you know, I mean, it doesn't get better than that. So I really enjoyed it too. I still like those old scientists the best, but this one is a quote second. Yeah, it's funny how they the last when it got to the end, they just pinnacled. Those last few episodes are just phenomenal. What about you, Charles? Did you like it?

1:35:37 What'd you think? I actually did a marathon today and this episode was on my list. I had to see it. I love number ones reference saying, oh if I could just sit and sit and walk all day, saying Gilbert and Sullivan. But we also. Episodes together Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow got tied into this episode. The issue with Chapel in Charades was dealt with in this episode, so we had so many this episode tied stuff together, which is what I loved on it.

1:36:25 And when this episode came out, I said this in the I said this in the podcast. Like I saw the episode, it's like, oh, I wish I could have this album. Then I turn around the next day on Friday there it is on YouTube music and didn't get a chance to go to gaming that nine. It's like, what did I do? I came home, I listened to the album, said oh, this was so good. You know what, I need to go to watch the episode and watch it the next day on Friday. This was one of my top episodes. I just love what they did with it. How about you, Paul, what did you think about it?

1:37:09 Oh? Yeah, that's absolutely you know I think with art a lot of times, to really you know, get over the hill and and you know, achieve something great, it requires risk, right, and I would in this case, I think the risk is like the old those old scientists, right, ballsy move right. Everyone's like I don't want it, No, no risky, right, because you're potentially going to alienate your fan base. Right. You were totally alienated about this episode, Jim. You were like, not my brand of cereal? Right? And it won you over risk. Risk is is I think a key thing right, and I think you've paid off admirably. It was such a you know, I would call this, you know, Star Trek at its best, right.

1:37:54 It was so fresh. We never seen an episode quite like this before, and yet it felt and it's arrow like Star Trek right, And to be able to have both those emotions in the viewing and have it stand up so well and just beautifully orchestrated, I'd call it a masterpiece. I think it's just absolutely phenomenal. Loved it, so it makes me, you know, anytime there's like an episode I hear about for the upcoming seasons, I'm like, oh, no, where, I think we have to check that reaction, right, because previously both of our reactions you know this and the animated thing, we're like, I don't know if that's a great idea. Yet when it comes up, you know, it means they took a risk, and I think they really know how to make the right kind of risks, it seems, so I'll be curious to see what's the equivalent risk they do this season, right, But I just love this episode.

1:38:42 If someone's never seen it and they're on the fence and then they have a bias against musicals for some reason. Man, they're they're missing out. This is an absolute treat. All right, We got one more to go, David. You want to roll the tape? Okay, h m hm. And do what that is? We made it. It's gone. There was something smile reading planet my brother, Man. I always thought it was a beacon to cut passes away. Let's move on. I'm reading a book at nine o'clock. Yep, I've got it too, So I suggests are gone youngly take cover. H yeah, mm hmm.

1:39:58 No phrases that work, all. Right, take it away, Paul Well. This episode was the season finale of season two. The episode called Hegemony, referring to the form of government and ownership that the that the Gorn called themselves. Right, the Enterprise is investigating an attack on a colony that's a very very edge of Federation space, kind of similar vibe from like Arena right original series episode one, and Mike and the crew face this very formidable enemy in season one episode nine, All those who Wonder, we first got our look at the strange New World's version of the Gorn in live action for the first time, and a lot of times, you know, people are like, oh, it's different, right.

1:40:44 I know myself, I was like, oh different, because you know, this is not the toga wearing, you know, man in suit from Arena, which you know we've been programmed to accept. And I think it was a little bit of a ballsy move right at first, I was it was very a lot of fans quick to dismiss this design choice as being oh, this is aliens, right this They're just basically given an alien xenomorph vibe or a Jurassic Park vibe to Star Trek. And I think the more I've watched this, the more I've really come around, I think that they made it a shrewd choice and talk about that at the very end here, but it's just it's really it's I think important they've changed some of the aesthetics and some of the design motifs of Star Trek throughout this. I think it's it's important to kind of evolve it so it doesn't seem a skew for a contemporary audience. Now, Pike's in a situation where he basically, you know, has to lead a team on the surface to rescue survivors, including his main squeeze Captain Bateel right, we later find out is infected with Gorn eggs, all right, and we know from all those who wonder, that's kind of like a death sentence because that was basically the situation where man Hemmer found himself in. Right. So Pike's you know, super engaged, which is a protagonist, right, which I love. Right, is the person he feels the most affection for her life is at risk, and he's also got a risk defying orders from Starfleet. That's a heck of a thing to put on your main character, to

1:42:14 have those two things there. So it's pretty cool to have the Gorn come back as a major threat, leaving us kind of best of both world style and a cliffhanger for in this case, almost two years because we thought that the landing party was being safely back up, but it turns out that their transporter was intercepted by the Gorn, and now they're all freaking Gorn prisoners, right, and a lovely thing. In this episode two is the introduction of this franchise's take on Montgomery Scott, who would get to meet for the first time, which was just great. I really really like it. I love Pike's moral dilemma. You know, he doesn't want to abandon his crew, but he's got a huge threat to face. Love the whole idea of showing Scott's cleverness, right, and how he was able to escape the Gorn. There heck of a cliffhanger, right, Pike's really up against it, And those are all really great, great plot elements, And I thought, and I just watched this again last night and I was just like, this is pretty tight. I mean, this pretty much plays like a Swiss watch. And the big action sequence right where the Bettel's ship was just totally destroyed allah doomsday machine, right, and we think maybe Chapel is dead, we don't know.

1:43:34 And the writing to come up with a legit excuse for Spock to go over there to the carcass of that ship was just extremely convincing and very realistic. It didn't feel like something that was just stitched together. And I had to really suspend my disbelief, right. It was like they had a really good reason for sending it over there, right, It made great sense because the ideas like used the ship's hulk is like a weapon to destroy the Borg the Borg bro somebody had at least it's not an acronym to destroy the Gorns like you know, suppression and energy field. Right. It was really really clever.

1:44:17 And that action sequence A spot does go over there is balls. It is a baller. It's just fantastic, really really exciting. It's really you just get to have all these great set piece moments. We get to see our crew in spacesuits, you know, duking it out in a urist situation. And I mean, for all of you know, I was just like, wait a minute. I mean I remember me from like the first time I saw like the Gorner or like, you know, they're humanoid species they paddleted spaceships. But when we saw the first Gorn in like last season, I'm like, they're more like animals, right, And I'm like, okay, now we get it. They're the younglings, right, They're the youth who haven't yet to mature. And then in this one, we get to see a full on, freaking like velociraptor sized Gorn in a Gorn spacesuit. How cool is that? And toy companies, why haven't you made one for me yet? Hello? I'm sitting here needing a Gorn in a spacesuit and I got a void on myself, right, But it was great and it's super good. Clue I'm telling you, you know, so really really terrific. I when this podcast is over, I will go get myself a frosty beverage and somebody to eat, and I'll be sitting down to watch the second half of this two parter.

1:45:28 I cannot wait. It's so great to have this show back. And I have no idea what's going to happen. We had a lot of folks in jeopardy here. I'm just I've managed to manage to stay off of most of the Internet today, and so I do not know what's going to happen. I am thrilled. I think this is a great episode. I've freaking loved it and I can't wait to see how it gets resolved. So bring it on, baby. Well V, since you're the newest member of our family, why don't you get us your thoughts on this episode. Well, I never would have imagined that the Gorn would become this absolutely frightening creature, you know, I never first saw that from the cheesy creature in the original series during the paper mache rocks and beating up you know, William Shatner and all that with of course this strategically ripped shirt and everything like that. But oh, and then the previous episode where where you know, Hammer sacrifices himself.

1:46:39 But when the Gorn, you know, it's the like you said, the alien like uh scenario. I had to I had to turn off. I could not watch it. It was just so horrifying. So I guess for the people who like that sort of thing and can sleep well at night, it's great. But for me, it's like nightmare fuel. But uh, it's funny, Paul, when you said you said the Board earlier, that's kind of what I thought. So in Strange New Worlds, it's almost like the Gourn is to you know, that this enterprise what the Board was to you know, the later shows just this formidable, you know alien that can you know, literally destroy people.

1:47:31 Yeah, and they really like when you have that you know, conference room meeting right where Pike you know, I've got some special weapons right that he digs out to kind of you know, share with everybody. You know, he's prepared. I like how they genuinely everybody seems pretty much just scared sualless, right, I mean they they're not just like, OK, even though they've got these weapons, right, there's like there's no real room, right, they wanted they need to do what they got to do, you know, and they really and he's he's you know, Pike was visibly shaken and looks concerned about the fate of the woman he loves, right, and it comes across and he's just like, he's you know, he just walks right into it. And uh, I think, you know, heroism is doing what you are afraid to do, even when you're scared to that, right, And that's and I think that was just honorably depicted here. I like that Pike's not a you know, square jawed, you know, invulnerable uh, leader of scoops sorry, or soldier in this situation, right, He's uh, he's apparently the corner attacking so sorry about that.

1:48:40 He's very relatable. He's vulnerable and very human in this episode. I really like that. So, you know, he's you feel for him, and he's he's relatable. So that's. How about you, Eric, You want to chime in. Oh, yeah, sure, So I'm probably one of the few people who remembers that this isn't the second time that we've seen the Gorn, but it's the third time. I mean, you know, counting the two Strange New World's episodes as one time, because of course, we saw the Gorn in Star Trek Enterprise. The episode in a Mirror Darkly had some computer animated Gorn. That was the first time that they went from plastic suit rubber guy throwing paper mache rocks to the computer animated version of the early two thousands, which you know, granted was not amazing CGI, but it was the first foray into taking this this kind of like dinosaur motif to a believable anthropomorphic level. So yeah, I really like the Gorn that they're showing us in Strange New Worlds. They're absolutely terrifying.

1:49:59 Do. You know. I think Star Trek's at its best when we end up loving our uh you know, evil aliens in the end. So I don't I don't see that end coming for the Porn. This is a like you know, the Gorner scary monsters kind of story, and and so you know that that has its place. I get it. I do think the writing and the shooting and the action and all that kind of stuff of this episode is is really really good. So I don't deny that this is a fantastic episode of Strange New Worlds. I've watched it a couple of times. I don't think I'll watch it as many times as I've seen the movie Alien, because you know, I have seen that movie probably a dozen times. And and you know, Paul Paul did a good job of trying to like separate this from Alien.

1:51:00 I still am right there, like it still feels like Alien to me, despite you know, despite the good arguments that you made their, Paul. So so yeah, I you know, I think this is a great episode of Strange New Worlds. I'm really excited to see how it comes out. I mean, obviously they leave it on the most amazing cliffhanger where he's got to make this critical decision like do I stay or do I God? And yet it doesn't make the decision before the credits roll. So so that's a fantastic way to end a season. It's been two years kind of a ridiculous wait, So I think we're all really excited for those of us who haven't seen it yet to see where the story goes. So yeah, not a ten for me, but like, you know, a solid nine just for the sheer quality of the episode, despite the fact that I'll probably watch it a limited number of times.

1:51:55 All Right, guys, and let's let's not forget this strange New World premiere tonight. So we're gonna be talking about the first two episodes next week. But let's let's get into some birthdays here. Okay, Let's see. That was not a clemon song.

1:52:35 Okay. We always start off our Star Trek birthdays by remembering those members of our Star Trek family who, sadly enough, are no longer with us, and for that return to Eric Jim. Today we remember Steve Marlowe, the actor who played Zabo in the original series second season episode A Piece of the Action, lived to be ninety two years old. We lost him back in twenty nineteen. Happy Birthday, Steve Marlowe. Also Happy birthday Frank Corsetino, the actor who had three Star Trek appearances to his credit, playing three different Ferengi characters. Among those characters was Bach in the TNG first season episode The Battle, Todg in TNG's Menasee, Troy, and Gegis in the Star Trek Voyager episode Inside Man. That was his last known TV appearance. Happy Birthday to Frank Corsentino.

1:53:26 Happy birthday as well to Keith Andy's the Americter American actor excuse me, who appeared as Akuta in the TOS second season episode The Apple, Happy Birthday, as well to Sid Hag, the actor who played the first Lawgiver in the TOS first season episode The Return of the Arkans. Happy birthday to Peter Derea, the actor who played Jose Tyler in the TOS first pilot episode The Cage, which of course was later referenced in both The Menagerie Parts one and Part two. Happy Birthday to Peter. Happy birthday to Non Martin, the American actress who portrayed Victoria Miller in the Next Generation first season episode Haven, Happy Birthday, as well to Ken Lynch, who played Vanderbergh in the TOS first season episode The Devil in the Dark. I always like to say one of my favorite TOS episodes, probably because I've seen it a million billion times. I just think it's so good though, and it's super duper Star Trek. Happy birthday as well to Philip Pine, the actor who played Philip Green in the TOS third season episode The Savage Curtain and Last but not least on our remembrance list. Happy birthday to Camille Saviola, the actress who portrayed Kai Opaka in four episodes of Star Trek Deep Space nine, And for me it's hard to believe that she was only in four episodes, because, of course,

1:54:57 kai Opaka represents the good way to be a Kai and her her, what's the person that comes after her? Person who takes up the mantle is not so good Kai win of course the villains ever in Star Trek, So happy birthday. There's there's only one evil Kai. All the rest are okay, like like literally we only we only get to see a couple of Kays in Deep Space nine. And Camille Saviola portrays a benevolent, kind uh person who helps guide Benjamin Cisco into his uh you know, journey as the Emissary. So happy birthday to her, and that's it for our remembrances. So I will pass this birthday candle.

1:55:52 All right, Charles take it away? Okay, up there we go. I can't hear Charles, can you guys hear Charles? All right? V you want to take over for Charles? Sure? Happy birthday two? Whoops? Let me get this hold on here Happy Birthday to Amanda Foreman, American actress who pay played Hannah Hannah t in Star Trek and Bracket in Star Trek Into Darkness. Then Happy Birthday to Hannah haty Uh, the actress who played Molly O'Brien in the TNG six six season episode Rascals one of my favorites, by the way, and in eleven episodes of DS nine, Happy Birthday to Tom Troup, the actor who portrayed Lieutenant Harold in The Star Trek the original series first season episode Arena. And then finally, Happy birthday to Margaret Rose, actress, composer and musician who played Aileen in TNG fifth season. Oh that's yeah, that episode that wrecks me every time, The Inner Light.

1:57:22 She later appeared as Capar Wrinn in DS nine fourth season episode Hard Time. All right, onto you, Paul, Thank you Ve. Okay, here's a face I think the TV watchers will recognize pretty instantly, Like, wait a minute, how do I know this guy we're talking about? Judson Scott, Yeah, that's the face right there, who first appeared in Star Trek back in nineteen eighty two, where he played the role of Jaku In of Course, legendary Star Trek two The Wrath of Khan, but he later appeared in next Year Generation episode Symbiosis as Sob and as Commander Racar in the Voyager episode Message in a Bottle. Dynamite performer, really deeply entrenched in the Star Trek universe there, but at a great you know, second, you know, companion role there in Rathacon, which is great, really really cool. Big fan of this next actor, absolutely dynamite performer, the great Terry O'Quinn, who we acknowledge for playing Admiral Eric Pressman in Next Gen seven season episode The Pegasus. One of the great ones there, one of those animals who just you know, was convinced he's doing the right thing, no matter how bad the fallout from his decisions may be. Right, legendary guy.

1:58:51 A lot of people first discovered Terry O'Quinn in, of course, the JJ Abrams TV show Lost, where he was a core character. But if you're a fan of the horror genre at all, I urge you to seek out a picture called The Stepfather starring Terry O'Quinn, which is a knockout and you can really see this guy what he has to offer as an actor. He's just great, one of the great big fan Tara Quinn. What I would not give to get you on the show and get a chance to talk to you. Our next birthday shout out here is not really part of the Star Trek universe really, but we just did a huge shout out to Space nineteen ninety nine a couple weeks back. So let's give it up for the delightful, luminous Catherine Shell, who of course played in the second season episode. Second season of the series, she played the character of Maya, but had also started a guest role as an alien in the first season as well, so a very, very fun and delightful performer. Always brings a note of grace and humor to her roles, which is just always very welcome.

1:59:54 And let's talk legends, shall we? Shall we talk legends? Everyone, and pulled you off Tunic down appropriately because it's time to say Happy birthday to Order of the British Empire. Recipient, Emmy Award winner, Golden Globe nominated classically trained Shakespearean English actor, the great Sir Patrick Stewart. He's achieved more public success for his role as Captain John Luke Picard than we have time to properly acknowledge on this particular program. He is one of the absolute greats. I'm trying to find my copy of his autobiography, but of course he eludes me because I'm on the radio. Yes, but of course Picard, I mean absolutely great. It's so amazing to watch him find this character from the early I don't like children aspect of season one, to watch him really build the character and dig deep and bring forth his his shakespeare classic Shakespearean training there. And of course he'd been in genre pictures from the Gift though. He was in John Foreman's salib Excalibur right Excalibur, and of course and David Lynch's Dune. He had a prominent role in that as well, so he's a familiar face to people. Was absolutely amazing though, and once folks warmed up to his portrayal of the Starfleet Captain, I think they never were going to settle for anyone else the same way. And of course he came back. In addition to all the different feature film'spen

2:01:26 offs including Generations and First Contact and whatnot, there was the subsequent return to television for the series Star Trek Picards, so a real legendary gentleman and somebody who's very, very popular with the fans. Seems to take great delight in engaging with the fans, and I think the beacon of intelligence and good taste and which seemed to be shrieking commodities in this day and age. So I just love the humanism and the courage and the dignity that he brought to his performances. Sir Patrick Stewart, we salute you, and I'm going to pass this megaphone over to Uncle Jim.

2:02:12 Well, I thank you so much. Paul. Let's see what's out there so you'll see what I did there. So I usually do the Klingons, but we don't have any Klingons this week. But I do want to say happy birthday Therosa Salazar. She's the actors who played Captain Lynnlessero in Short Treks second season episode The Trouble with Edward And why did I pick her? Well, I'll tell you why because in this particular episode we find out how the Tribles got the way they were, and her starship, loaded with Tribles, crashes on a Klingon planet and almost starts the war. So there is a little bit of a Klingon connection there. Happy birthday Therosa Salazar and I do want to say yes, Edward is an idiot. Check out episode. I think you'll like it and last on my list. Not a kling On, but man, she could be because she battled Freddy Krueger. We want to say happy birthday to Heather Langan Camp. She's the actress who played security officer Moto in Star Trek Into Darkness, but she's best known as Nancy Thompson in Nightmare on Elm Street and a lot of people don't know that she was on Star Trek and there she is. Happy birthday the Heather Langan Camp. And that wraps up our podcast for tonight, guys. I want to say thank you to Susan and of course the great Chase Masterson for popping in and saying hello to us. And thank you so much to Eric for hanging out in trek talking with us.

2:03:41 Thank you so much to Charles as well for hanging out with us, and thank you to Victoria for being with us, and I thank you Victoria. Thank you always a pleasure, a lot of fun. And thank you to Paul as well for hanging out in trek talking with us. Thank you, paul A pleasure man. I can't wait to scramble down to my remote, flip on the old Strange New Worlds and see something new so we can talk about it next week. So very excited. Wake me up before you go go. And of course, thank you so much to David for all the hard work you do on putting together all these videos and slideshows. Thank you, David. Yeah, it's been a lot of fun. I just hope they're going over here. Doesn't get me before I to watch the episode.

2:04:23 He's gonna smash your head with a rock. Oh. I just want to you guys know next week it's gonna be an abbreviate where we're gonna have two episodes of Strange New Worlds to talk about Tajeemy Part two and Wedding Bell Blues. So we're you know, we're probably not gonna have any new stories. We probably won't have a lot of birthdays because covering two episodes on one podcast is gonna be a lot to squeeze in. So but I'm glad that Strange New world is back, and I am looking forward to it and I just can't say good enough about it. Excited all right, guys, that wraps up our podcast. Thank you so much for listening wherever you may be. Head over to trek Talking dot com and tell us where you're listening from. All right, David Roll the extro.

2:05:15 All stage. I'm ready for departure, sir, some problem RCA. I'm just hoping this isn't the usual way of missions will go, said. Oh, no, number one, I'm sure it most will be much more interesting. Let's see what's on there, gage