June 27, 2026

Episode 690- Star Trek Through the Years: How Fans and Series Evolved

Episode 690- Star Trek Through the Years: How Fans and Series Evolved
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In this episode, we explore how Star Trek has evolved over the decades and how fan perceptions have changed. We delve into the impact of societal shifts, media, and storytelling on the franchise's direction. In this episode, we explore the fascinating history of the original Star Trek USS Enterprise model, its recent authentication, and celebrate the birthdays of iconic sci-fi figures. Join us for deep dives into Star Trek lore, movie anniversaries, and industry insights.

  • The evolution of Star Trek from TOS to modern series
  • How societal changes influence Star Trek storytelling
  • Fan reactions and their impact on the franchise
  • Representation and diversity in Star Trek over the years
  • The role of media and technology in shaping fan perceptions Star Trek USS Enterprise model history
  • Authentication of Gene Roddenberry's original model
  • Celebration of sci-fi icons' birthdays
  • Analysis of iconic sci-fi movies like Jaws and Logan's Run
  • Industry insights on AI and digital media in entertainment
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With your operation.

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You may fin be ready and may.

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that Jim and Donnie to fixed, Pripple, NPC Ted everily

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cannot see Bumblebee Kane. I'm the doctor wrankling online Old

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Bob sand World stories that will twist and turn bout Cimitar,

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death of tashi Ya, Flash Gordon.

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But Rogers don't.

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Through prison clone Wars, James Holden Tweaky, John Cone against Yanke.

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We talk about the series. You can join us talk

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about the series.

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Well, good evening, Treky's and Trek is around the globe

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and it's Thursday, June twenty fifth, twenty twenty six. Welcome

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to episode six and ninety. Wow, hard to believe. I'm

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your most excellent host, Uncle Jim. Welcome to the show.

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Before we go too far, I like to go around

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my little loop here and introduce my trek'spirt. We'll start

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off with David. David's out in Portland. How are you

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doing tonight?

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David?

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I am a floating head in space. I'm doing pretty good.

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I'm doing pretty good. And we also have Eric. Eric

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is out in Portland as well.

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How you doing, Eric?

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Doing pretty? During good? You know what, I have a confession.

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There is a frame in our intro song of an

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old white guy with a like some kind of Martini

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glass or something, with like a young blonde girl next

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to him, and I have no idea what that is from.

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So next time we watch this, I need to like

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do some research because there's a frame in there. I'm like,

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I don't think i've seen whatever that is.

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Paul, you want to tell him who that is?

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I have to see what he's talking about. Yeah, I'm visual.

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So it's from It's from one of the best sci

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fi movies ever made, Saturn three.

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Okay, I haven't seen that one.

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I don't know how you missed that movie. It's a classic.

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I think there's been a threatening to have a Saturn

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three show. Has there not been?

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There may have been, there may have been.

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Well, you know, I'm not against watching bad sci fi

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every now and then. I mean, good is what I

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meant to say.

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That's that's a shot.

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What that is? Oh my god?

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Wow?

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Thank you?

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See David, that's why you're the miracle worker, David. He

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can pull stuff like that right out of his ass

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like nothing.

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He's the man as it is?

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Wait was that was? That? Was that Kirk Douglas? Wait?

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Who was the man? That was Kirk Douglas Douglaslas we

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talked about.

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I'm sorry, all right, sorry, that's a classic it it's

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one of the it's it's really good.

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I can't believe you missed it. It's good. It's yeah,

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not as good as start a five, but it's you know.

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Anyways, continuing on, we're going to welcome Paul to the show.

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And you're never going to guess where Paul is from.

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If you said Portland, you win. But we have Paul

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with us from Portland. He's our toy guy. How you

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doing to Paul.

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I'm doing okay, man, recovering from a little jet lag, but.

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Doing all excellent. Good to have you along. And they're

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going to say hello to Charles and guess what. Charles

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isn't from Portland, He's from Las Vegas. How you doing today, Charles?

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I'm doing all right.

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Since we got a when advisory comes through soon, then

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a little bit of fire warning with the breeze starting

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to kick in. It's only one hundred and two, but

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with the breeze I think I wanted to stay in

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the studio A.

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Today excellent and last, but definitely not least from Virginia.

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We have V with us tonight. How you doing, V I'm.

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Doing all right. And Eric, if you felt bad not

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knowing that Saturn three picture, Remember how I thought that

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the battle droids. We're dancing the.

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Skeletons, the Army of dark.

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Yes, the Army of dancing skeletons. Yeah, it is because I.

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Will stick together.

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Yeah, sure, sure, why not?

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And as I said at the top of the show,

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my name is Uncle Jim and I'm from Vermont.

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So we don't have anything except well, we did have

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a tornado the other day.

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It is that's scary, but nothing really, nothing really cool

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happens out here, just snow and cold, you know. But

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at any rate, here we are and we're gonna be

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further ado, tonight's show, we're gonna be talking about Star Trek.

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Has Star Trek changed, have the fans change? Or a

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little bit of both. We're gonna dive deep in the

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manhole in the rabbit hole on this one and we're

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going to have some discussions. We also have our fans

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shout outs, and that's where we think it is just

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like you around the globe for supporting us. And what

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actor do you share a sci fi birthday with? Well,

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you're going to find out tonight. And we also have

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Uncle Jim's Movie Pick of the Week. This is a

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new segment that I decided to throw in there, and

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each week I will pick a movie that's celebrating an

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anniversary and we'll.

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Talk a little bit about it.

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And I got a really good one for this week,

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I think, And what's going on around in the Star

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Trek universe. Paul is going to tell us a little

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bit about so six new Romulent figure, and Eric's going

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to tell us about the enterprise it's been returned home,

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and v is going to tell us a little bit

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about a new Warp CCG game which is available on Steam.

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And that, my friends, is our show for tonight. But

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before we go too far, we're going to dive right

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in to our fan shout outs, and for that we're

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going to have Eric start us off.

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Oh yeah, we need a fan shout out, so like

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fan shout outs, fan shout out.

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Something, we'll figure dancing dancing skeletons.

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All right, Well, our very first fan shout out this

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week goes out to Christian Alexander svenson Dale from Norway

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in Scandinavia, Europe. Christian, at the end of July, I

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am about to come to your country for the first time,

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and I am so excited to experience Norway and explore

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the Fjords myself, So very excited to be there and

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not too much time, and very excited that you are

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a supporter of our podcast. Thank you so much for

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saying hi to us and hello right back. Also saying

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hello this week to top fan Rachel Carr from Dublin, Ireland.

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So I'm sending us that beautiful Irish flag emoji, catching

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Jim's attention with graphics of course. Also saying hello this

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week to Klaus Cooningbauer from Franconia region in Germany, sending

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us that livelong and prospers sign and I say peace

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and long life right back to you, Klaus, thank you

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so much for supporting our podcast from Germany. And last

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but not least, on my list, I would like to

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say hello to top fan Beverly Goalsworthy from Leeds in

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West Yorkshire in the UK, just across the pond. Beverly,

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so much support for our podcast and so much love

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from us to you and all the folks on all

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of the islands of the United Kingdom. Thank you so

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much for saying hello. V I passed this shout out

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megaphone over to.

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You, right, Thank you, Eric. There's my first hello and

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thank you goes out to gosh as I choke excuse me,

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but my goodness, see got me all choked up. Gosh,

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I'm okay, I'm fine. Let's try this again with to

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Let's say hello to Matt Parkins, who is from Cleveland Heights, Ohio. Next,

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my goodness, all right, it's like the world. Something is

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like going on with me. I don't know what. I

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try to talk and I get all choked up. Anyway.

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Next Hello goes out to Nancy Newsham Jerome from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

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And next next month, Philadelphia is going to have a

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big two fifty celebration with our country. So that's going

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to be a happening place to be. Next, Hello and

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thank you to Joseph Grubau, who's from Muscatine, Iowa, which

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is about twenty minutes from Riverside, the future birthplace of

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James T.

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Kirk.

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Been to Trekfast several times when the kids were younger.

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Sounds like a lot of fun. I am last, but

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not least, Hello and thank you to Susan Ray, who

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is from Wyoming. All right, throwing the shout out megaphone

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to Charles.

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V Let's start off with a warm welcome to David

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Hammond from Texas. Welcome David, Welcome Gail Davis Bruno from Bloomington, Illinois.

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Oops, do we talk about Bruno?

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I guess we'll talk about Bruno.

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I give to see what you did there.

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We don't talk about Bruno, charl Yeah, exactly, So we'll

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just say Gail Davis, Welcome, Gail. Welcome. Mike gen from Paragouled, Arkansas, Welcome,

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like welcome, Jim Blair from Alabama who loves our podcast.

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Welcome Jim. I'm hoping you're having a good day there

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and you get good weather in Alabama with no hurricanes

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this summer. I'll pass a megaphone over to Paul, who's

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going to spin the globe and don't hit your fingers.

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Thank you, Charles. I'll try to avoid any lacerations if

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I can. So let's dive in. We have all kinds

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of folks across the planet who enjoy Star Trek, science

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fiction and this podcast. So first of all, let's go

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over to our friend Joss Shefferly, who is saying hello

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to us from all the way up in North Korea. Jos,

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phenomenal to hear from you, So I hope things are

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going well.

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Yeah, Paul, can I mention that as a first, we

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keep track of places that we hear from, and North

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Korea Joss is our first. So thank you.

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Fantastic. That's great, So keep listening.

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Awesome, that's incredible, So.

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Keep listening Joss, and spread the word if it's allowed.

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We are gratified to know that you're there. Over in

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Eric's future stomping grounds of Finland, we have Tanya Nsula

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co Visto is saying hello to us. I hope I'm

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not put during the pronunciation of your name, Tanya, but

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it's great to know that you're out there another continent

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away in South South Africa, excuse me, South Africa. Ben

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Vorbeck is chiming in and saying hello, and back to

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Europe again, because we are in no kind of sequential

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order whatsoever. From czech Ya aka the Czech Republic aka

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historically known as Bohemia. It's our friend Petra Liska who's

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saying hello to us from that wonderful berg with the

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flag of czech Ya billowing proudly in the wind. Along

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with their enthusiasm for scientific that covers another large chunk

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of the planet. So great to have a new continent

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or new country rather on our list. I believe we're

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still needing Antarctica, though, so if I'm not mistaken, anyone

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who is able to hear the sound of my voice,

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if you happen to know anyone who even remotely knows

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what science fiction is, and you happen to be able

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to make contact with them and they reside in Antarctica,

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or even if they just went there once, that's probably

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good enough for us, right, help them chime in on

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the Facebook page so we can cross that off our list,

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and then we might actually have every single freaking country

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that there is as a start talking notch on our bedposts.

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So that's our humble aspiration for you to follow through

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this week, and I'll pulse it over to that Bohemian

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man himself, Uncle Jim.

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Terry Man, who's listening to us right now in Ohio.

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Thank you Terry, and Steven Howard who's in New York City.

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The Bronx. Actually, we used to have a regular caller

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from the Bronx. You guys, remember Ray, Ray from the

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Bronx used to call every single week.

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to like honor Ray. It was it was cool he.

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and told us that we need to talk some sense

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do if we do not give medical advice. But what

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a unique individual back in the day.

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Shaun Patrick Murphy who's listening to us in Providence, Rhode Island.

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at the top. Telleth where you're from. These some emojis.

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would see all these awesome pictures that David has put

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here on the screen for everybody to see. Okay, guys,

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that is our fan shout outs for this week, and

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we actually don't have a plan. Save that for a

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second before we go too far, though there is some

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Star Trek news. They did drop a brand new Strange

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New World's season four trailer. David, you want to roll

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that tape for our fans, please.

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I have many things I want to talk about, hopes, dreams, fears.

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I believe you are here so I can share them

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You more than anyone that I know.

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I have thought about the past in the future a

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great deal, but most of us live in the now.

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Perhaps what happens next both to fine.

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Everything.

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What are you sending us?

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Well, this is a fun one. I know what we

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are about to do is hard.

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There is ever any reason to do something alone.

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You need help.

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There's too much at stake.

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The SOS is a draft. Everyone out now.

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We need to get up the ship.

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Everybody hang on to something, anything and everything.

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Let's save this ship and our friends.

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You are facing me finest crew and stock feet, and

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they will be able to fight back in ways you

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cannot imagine.

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We've seen a lot of strange new worlds, but we'll

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never see something like this again.

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Don't worry, funk.

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I'm sure one day you'll get to aim that logical

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mind of yours. That's some lucky captain.

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Wow.

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So what does your guys think? It's pretty good?

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That was so I'm a little behind. That was my

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first time seeing that. And that was a dragon right.

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Well, there's a scene that there's a scene I don't know,

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it wasn't in that trailer, but there's a scene when

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Kirk goes and spots a do you want to hug me?

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Have you guys seen that one?

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My brain? You know what my brain went? Right? Don't

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you take a while gas my brain went right.

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Not in front of the Klingons, and I started laughing,

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that's awesome. So I just wanted to play that trailer

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for you guys because I think it's relevant to what

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So yeah, I thought that was a really good trailer.

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I really enjoyed it.

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And let's plant that date in everyone's mind again, folks

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when that is airing, just so folks can be clear

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that the new season is just a few weeks after.

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July July twenty third, and yeah, we're going to be

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talking about that episode so well on the following show.

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We'll be a week I'm looking forward to Diving.

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I'm going to call it a poll because that way

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we get to run this awesome intro.

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You know me like, no win what you thought about

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the show when we try.

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Just share your.

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Opinions with all of our minions out there because they listen, world,

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Why tell us just what you think. Get together, we

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will alter and romulin ale.

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right now. If if you're not a subscriber. And you

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haven't seen that video. My god, you're you're missing out

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because I think that video by itself is.

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Kermit. Don't kermit the frog in that is worth.

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Don't understand how it makes me laugh every time?

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I don't know either.

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It like how many like fifteen?

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I love it? Well, it's the way the words to

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the song are cute with the images and that's just brilliant.

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And at the end with the romulin ale, was it

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renax center to Renac right there?

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That's a back yep, that was him. So it's not

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actually a pull, but it's a question.

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guys on our Facebook page and see get our finger

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on the pulse a fandom. So, Eric, what what did

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I ask our fans on our Facebook page? And what

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were some of their Now, before I want to preface

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there were three four hundred, hundreds hundreds of answers of

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replies to this question, so I couldn't possibly put them

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all in here, so I just picked some that I

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thought were a good cross section. So what was our question, Eric,

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and what did our fans.

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Has Star Trek changed or have the fans changed?

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Randy Rigolet said, fans changed, and I think expectations are

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too high as they never seen they know. I think

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happy with the amazing content Trek has been putting out.

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Robert Robert Bolivar said, definitely, Star Trek has changed. If

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you look at the new movies, they are all about

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the villain and how the crew reacts to said villain.

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The story should always be about the crew or specific

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members of the crew. It is the story of our people,

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not the guy who suddenly shows up. That is what

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has been lost. Action has replaced story. Ooh interesting, Robert

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all right. Michael Nardi said Star Trek stopped being Star

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Trek following the end of Enterprise Discovery, and the rest

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of that nonsense was not Star Trek. I'm gonna keep

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that one inside right now. Chad Smith said Star Trek

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has been twisted into a millennial cluster. Yeah, I mean,

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at least that one's funny, Mark all right. Mark Brownhill

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said Star Trek is an American produced franchise that spanned

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sixty years. Yes, it's twenty twenty six, but parts of

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America and certain groups of Americans are still living in

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the nineteen fifth and there's lies, and there lies the problem. Sorry,

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thirty years ago, the world hadn't changed as much from

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the sixties as it had changed in the past thirty years.

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Star Trek has to adapt to the new world, but

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a core part of fans just simply can't comprehend this

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or are willing to because or willing I think not

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willing to because they just don't want to live in

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twenty twenty six, but they want to stay in the

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nineteen fifties. We get you, Mark, I think, yeah, I'm

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picking out what you're land. Michelle Garnier Savage. Savage said

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Trek evolves, Trek Bros don't. I'm sorry, that's a brutal

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takedown all of that. The majority of the fandom is

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accepting of the evolution, but the louder minor subset that

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isn't are the ones causing the problems. Thanks Michelle. John

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Bobbitt said, the fans definitely haven't changed, and that's why

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Star Trek has become so controversial. Old school fans like

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myself want Star Trek to retain the wonder and keep

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pushing the barriers of science, while newer viewers want the

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characters to represent who they are rather than adjusting to

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the core of what Star Trek is and challenge their

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own intelligence. Ooh, this is deep, John, Thanks. Kurtzman Trek

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series are all based around their singular main character, while

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the older series had entire crews that people loved. I

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can't name anyone else on Discovery's crew other than Tilly

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and Michael Burnham. No one in Picard was memorable until

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season three. I can't name any characters on Starfleet Academy

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except for Sam Strange. New World is great, though sometimes

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some of the episodes are kind of stupid. Old Trek

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wanted us to be better and showed us that science

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and diplomacy was how things got done. On Kurtzman Trek,

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the solution is just to cry a few times an episode,

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and that saves the universe. Thank you for the detailed review.

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John josh Rid said Star Trek died in two thousand

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and five. Continues was to be the next successor, but

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then the CBS slash Paramount Collective killed it. The Orville

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is the true successor. Be sure, Uncle Jim is not

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agreeing with that, I will say I have watched The

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Orville multiple times, though not as many times as Star Trek.

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But Jim, You're just You're just not you gotta it's

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like total recall open, all right. Dave Carrey said Trek

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has changed from representing an enlightened future to becoming a

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pc d I lecture series. All right, hulk out here.

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Ivon Congier said Star Trek it does not tell stories,

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but now promotes its political and LGBT agenda. Kurtzman sad

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it very clearly, I think said said it very clearly

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several times in interviews. He does not care about Trek

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as much as using it to pute his agendas. John

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Deegler said there have always been toxic fans. There are

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more prolific. They are more prolific now because of the

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toxic administration we have. Mark Darby said, that's a good question.

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What changed is the leadership. It was allowed to self

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implode after upn bit the dust, but for at least

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the first thirty five years it was done in the

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spirit of Gene Roddenberry's vision. Now it has a different vision.

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Top fan Lisa Castler said the actual fans has stayed

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the same. It's the fake fans that are ruining it.

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If I don't like an episode, a season, or the

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whole show, you know what I do, I don't watch

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that episode, that season, or that show. Real fans understand that.

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The fake fans try and ruin it for everyone else

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by trying to get shows canceled and succeeding bad mouthing

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and whining about everything they hate about it and doing

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laughing emojis that just show the world they have the

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maturity of twelve year olds. But yes, the show has changed,

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as it should. Everything changes, even track, but the core

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value remains. And if people don't know what that is,

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I'm not explaining it like saying like the saying goes.

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If I have to explain, you wouldn't understand. That was

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a really great cross section, Jim. I think that was great.

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It was like from one extreme to the next. Yeah.

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I tried to be fair and give those yeah people

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a chance to be heard, and.

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I'll read them out loud. There there they are. They

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are no one more way to space and a billionaires

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from now, a billion light years from somewhere. You know

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they will hear it.

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They will hear it, that's right.

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So I want to I want to start out by

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saying I'll start out this conversation and then you guys

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can jump in with with whatever you want to add

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or say or debate whatever. I want to have some

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00:27:48.720 --> 00:27:52.480
fun with this and really dig into it. But way

480
00:27:52.559 --> 00:27:55.160
back in the day, when TNG came out, I was

481
00:27:55.240 --> 00:27:58.960
going to conventions. Patrick Stork got booed. That's right. People

482
00:27:59.039 --> 00:28:01.759
hated TNG. I hated DS nine. We've all been down that.

483
00:28:01.960 --> 00:28:04.880
So the question being has Star Trek changed or had

484
00:28:04.920 --> 00:28:07.680
the fans changed? So here's my answer to that. I

485
00:28:07.720 --> 00:28:10.640
think Star Trek has changed dramatically. Back in the day,

486
00:28:10.640 --> 00:28:13.480
when TOS came out, it was fifty one minutes twenty

487
00:28:13.519 --> 00:28:14.440
six episodes.

488
00:28:14.559 --> 00:28:17.599
It was on broadcast TV. That was how it was

489
00:28:17.640 --> 00:28:18.599
because that's all they had.

490
00:28:18.759 --> 00:28:22.440
TNG came along, it was cut down to about forty

491
00:28:22.480 --> 00:28:25.480
five minutes because they needed to make more money for commercials,

492
00:28:25.640 --> 00:28:28.720
and we still were on our twenty six episodes and

493
00:28:28.759 --> 00:28:32.000
that went on all the way through. Enterprise streaming came

494
00:28:32.039 --> 00:28:36.599
along and now we have ten episodes and done. So

495
00:28:36.640 --> 00:28:41.000
the way we are fed Star Trek has changed dramatically

496
00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:44.759
from the sixties to today. That's a big change. Going

497
00:28:44.759 --> 00:28:48.200
from twenty six episodes to ten, so that's different. People

498
00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:50.960
also have to subscribe to Paramount Plus.

499
00:28:51.039 --> 00:28:53.079
Now. I don't know about you guys, but Star Trek

500
00:28:53.200 --> 00:28:55.440
was never free for me. Ever.

501
00:28:55.759 --> 00:28:58.279
If I wanted to watch Star Trek, I had to

502
00:28:58.319 --> 00:29:01.519
put an antenna up. I had to wrap tinfoil around

503
00:29:01.519 --> 00:29:04.279
my head, put my nose on the on the windowsill,

504
00:29:04.400 --> 00:29:07.400
put my finger and outlet, wiggle my to the left

505
00:29:07.440 --> 00:29:09.680
and to the right and try to get a good signal.

506
00:29:09.759 --> 00:29:11.599
It was crazy what I had to do.

507
00:29:12.519 --> 00:29:15.440
Or I could subscribe to cable TV and watch Fox

508
00:29:15.480 --> 00:29:20.200
twenty three perfect on cable television. So for me, it

509
00:29:20.240 --> 00:29:23.119
was never free. I always had to pay for cable

510
00:29:23.200 --> 00:29:26.680
to get a decent Star Trek picture. So you know

511
00:29:26.920 --> 00:29:30.400
today you have to subscribe to it. So that has changed,

512
00:29:30.440 --> 00:29:33.400
and a lot of fans don't like that. So that's

513
00:29:33.519 --> 00:29:36.720
how Star Trek has changed. Now have fans changed. That's

514
00:29:36.759 --> 00:29:39.680
a tricky question because back in the sixties when we

515
00:29:39.720 --> 00:29:42.400
had tos Or was on the Bridge, a black woman,

516
00:29:42.480 --> 00:29:43.680
that was a major thing.

517
00:29:43.759 --> 00:29:45.640
Back in the sixties, that was huge.

518
00:29:46.519 --> 00:29:48.880
And then when she kissed Kirk, Oh my god, I'm

519
00:29:48.920 --> 00:29:51.680
sure TV's down on the South exploded when that happened.

520
00:29:51.799 --> 00:29:54.519
I mean, you know, TOOS was just you know, we

521
00:29:54.559 --> 00:29:56.960
had an Asian on the bridge, we had Russian show

522
00:29:57.039 --> 00:29:57.519
up later.

523
00:29:57.799 --> 00:30:01.519
These were big things. These are lost to today's audiences.

524
00:30:02.160 --> 00:30:05.440
You know, the cutting edge where Star Trek was where

525
00:30:05.480 --> 00:30:08.359
Gene Roddenberry wanted it to be, and they lost that.

526
00:30:08.559 --> 00:30:10.880
And why did we lose that? Okay, here we go.

527
00:30:11.039 --> 00:30:12.559
I'm gonna say it.

528
00:30:12.559 --> 00:30:15.519
We lost it because of Berman Trek. Okay, I said it,

529
00:30:15.559 --> 00:30:18.039
all right, there's different eras of Star Trek. We have

530
00:30:18.160 --> 00:30:22.640
the Roddenberry era tos tas Season one of TNG. Berman

531
00:30:22.720 --> 00:30:26.160
steps in, takes over until enterprise. He didn't want to

532
00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:28.200
shake and he leaves. He didn't want to.

533
00:30:28.240 --> 00:30:28.799
Rock the boat.

534
00:30:28.960 --> 00:30:31.799
He wanted to make the advertisers happy, so he didn't

535
00:30:31.880 --> 00:30:35.480
challenge our fans. And I heard Riker Jonathan Fakes tell

536
00:30:35.480 --> 00:30:38.640
a story. There's an episode called The Outcast where Riker

537
00:30:38.680 --> 00:30:42.200
falls in love with the GNI person and Jonathan Fraakes

538
00:30:42.319 --> 00:30:46.200
went to Berman and said he wanted a male actor

539
00:30:46.319 --> 00:30:48.960
to play that part, and he refused. He said, no,

540
00:30:49.359 --> 00:30:52.720
fans would not accept Riker kissing a man. We have

541
00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:54.720
to have a feminine character.

542
00:30:54.440 --> 00:30:55.039
In that role.

543
00:30:55.400 --> 00:30:57.720
That right there is the kind of Star Trek that

544
00:30:57.839 --> 00:30:58.920
Rick Berman produced.

545
00:30:59.000 --> 00:31:02.960
He was very week on the representation, and that I

546
00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:06.039
think created the environment with the fans that we have

547
00:31:06.160 --> 00:31:08.440
today that when we see a gay cling on their

548
00:31:08.440 --> 00:31:11.279
heads pop they can't deal with it because Star Trek

549
00:31:11.400 --> 00:31:14.519
is forcing an agenda down their throat. But unknown to them,

550
00:31:14.559 --> 00:31:17.440
that agenda, I don't want to call it an agenda.

551
00:31:17.559 --> 00:31:21.839
The representation was always there, it was just lost on them.

552
00:31:22.079 --> 00:31:24.640
They either didn't see it or didn't want to see it.

553
00:31:24.759 --> 00:31:26.880
And then when it was put on display in front

554
00:31:26.920 --> 00:31:29.640
of them, Kurtzman's forcing an agenda down their throat. So

555
00:31:30.200 --> 00:31:33.519
that their fans have changed I think quite a bit

556
00:31:33.720 --> 00:31:37.559
from the sixties to today, and let's not forget to

557
00:31:37.720 --> 00:31:40.680
the biggest change of all. I don't think it's fans exactly.

558
00:31:41.160 --> 00:31:43.799
I think we've always had those fans there. But like

559
00:31:43.880 --> 00:31:46.039
one of our listeners said, I think that it's the

560
00:31:46.079 --> 00:31:49.759
Trump administration and the mag of people have made hatred,

561
00:31:50.039 --> 00:31:56.200
body shaming, discrimination, you know, anti LGBTQ normal because our

562
00:31:56.240 --> 00:32:00.920
president doesn't have a problem spouting hatred and content and

563
00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:04.079
making fun of people and things like that, and these

564
00:32:04.119 --> 00:32:07.519
low life scum buckets that are under all these rocks

565
00:32:07.839 --> 00:32:10.440
are seeing this and they're coming to the surface and

566
00:32:10.480 --> 00:32:13.720
they're like, Wow, it's okay and it's acceptable now. So

567
00:32:13.839 --> 00:32:18.119
now they're not afraid to come out express themselves because

568
00:32:18.240 --> 00:32:21.440
it's okay. It's not okay. But I think that's why

569
00:32:21.480 --> 00:32:25.160
we have so much of that going on today. And

570
00:32:25.200 --> 00:32:27.720
I think the biggest reason is that is the AI

571
00:32:27.839 --> 00:32:30.480
bots and that we have in technology. We didn't have

572
00:32:30.599 --> 00:32:33.559
these things back in the eighties, so they couldn't bomb

573
00:32:33.799 --> 00:32:37.119
rotten tomatoes and get a show canceled because the ratings

574
00:32:37.119 --> 00:32:37.640
were so low.

575
00:32:37.680 --> 00:32:38.480
You couldn't do that.

576
00:32:38.759 --> 00:32:41.160
Today, you know, all these little nerds can sit down

577
00:32:41.160 --> 00:32:44.759
on their parents' base and just bomb these things with

578
00:32:44.920 --> 00:32:47.799
negativity and they have it. But I also think that

579
00:32:47.839 --> 00:32:50.599
the Nazis that bought Paramount, we're going to cancel Star

580
00:32:50.680 --> 00:32:53.759
Trek anyways, this was just an excuse and they gave

581
00:32:53.799 --> 00:32:57.440
them out. So that's my take on the whole situation

582
00:32:57.759 --> 00:33:01.000
based on what I've seen from the eighties till today,

583
00:33:01.039 --> 00:33:02.880
I think there's a lot of good Star Trek. In fact,

584
00:33:02.920 --> 00:33:04.720
I think the majority of Star Trek fans out there

585
00:33:04.759 --> 00:33:07.599
are decent, good people that understand what it's all about

586
00:33:07.960 --> 00:33:11.240
I think it's those few outlying lolis that don't get it.

587
00:33:11.279 --> 00:33:14.079
And I said it, Yes, I did say yeah.

588
00:33:14.200 --> 00:33:16.599
I think they don't know what empathy is, they don't

589
00:33:16.640 --> 00:33:19.960
know what acceptance is, they don't know what representation is.

590
00:33:20.119 --> 00:33:22.160
Okay, these are concepts.

591
00:33:21.599 --> 00:33:24.119
To them, and they'll say, oh, it's too woke, and

592
00:33:24.160 --> 00:33:26.680
that's their answer to everything. So I think that they

593
00:33:26.720 --> 00:33:30.119
were behind the door when they were passing out. Well, anyway,

594
00:33:30.759 --> 00:33:34.559
I'm going to step down off of my platform and

595
00:33:35.079 --> 00:33:36.920
I'm going to turn it over to my Trex Spurts

596
00:33:37.400 --> 00:33:39.000
and see what they think or what they have to

597
00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:39.559
say about it.

598
00:33:39.599 --> 00:33:41.880
You heard what our fans had to say, you heard

599
00:33:41.880 --> 00:33:43.960
what I had to say. The yeah, what do you think?

600
00:33:44.599 --> 00:33:48.240
Well, I tell you what my I have Lisa's comment

601
00:33:48.359 --> 00:33:52.480
on here and because she really I think captured the

602
00:33:52.599 --> 00:33:55.119
essence of it. You know, the fake fans that are

603
00:33:55.160 --> 00:33:58.640
ruining it. It's but also, and I hate to well

604
00:33:58.720 --> 00:34:01.640
when people said Star Trek should be political, that's that's

605
00:34:01.680 --> 00:34:04.960
part of what. It's always political. It's whether it be

606
00:34:05.200 --> 00:34:09.079
you know, the romulence against the Federation. You know, it's

607
00:34:09.119 --> 00:34:12.679
it's I mean, that's obviously political. That's that's how it is.

608
00:34:12.880 --> 00:34:15.960
But from my standpoint working in the history field, I

609
00:34:16.039 --> 00:34:20.920
have seen an uptick in the well throughout the history field,

610
00:34:20.960 --> 00:34:23.960
not my museum so much as others where the current

611
00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:30.000
administration is demeaning and erasing and eradicating everything like people

612
00:34:30.039 --> 00:34:33.800
of color, you know, any mention of the difficult history

613
00:34:33.840 --> 00:34:36.400
of our slavery in our country. So I've seen that,

614
00:34:36.559 --> 00:34:39.159
you know, in my field of work. But it's also

615
00:34:39.320 --> 00:34:41.400
I've seen it in you know, the Star Trek world

616
00:34:41.440 --> 00:34:44.679
because people are saying, you know, whatever that comment was about,

617
00:34:45.039 --> 00:34:49.719
oh d I you know, basically, it's diversity, you know,

618
00:34:49.960 --> 00:34:54.000
it's what is it diversity? What's the East Tech? I'm

619
00:34:54.079 --> 00:34:55.760
drawing a blank. I'm so sorry.

620
00:34:55.960 --> 00:34:57.800
Equality.

621
00:34:57.800 --> 00:35:01.360
That's an inclusion, which which is who doesn't Why wouldn't

622
00:35:01.400 --> 00:35:05.119
you want that? You know, unless you've been indoctrinated into this.

623
00:35:05.400 --> 00:35:08.760
Everybody must be a cookie cutter person, you know. And

624
00:35:09.199 --> 00:35:11.480
when I was at Galaxy Con, I was having a

625
00:35:11.519 --> 00:35:16.320
conversation with a no visitor and this was before Starfleet Academy

626
00:35:16.400 --> 00:35:19.679
was canceled, but we were talking about the hatred and

627
00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:22.199
the people of d S nine they know, you know,

628
00:35:22.400 --> 00:35:24.760
ugly fan comments, because they got it. They got it

629
00:35:24.800 --> 00:35:26.800
in the mail, so they got it, like, you know,

630
00:35:26.920 --> 00:35:30.559
hard copies of the fan comments. But you know when

631
00:35:30.599 --> 00:35:32.880
when a certain member who I just referred to as

632
00:35:32.960 --> 00:35:35.440
news for a two went to Shatner and said, hey,

633
00:35:35.519 --> 00:35:38.000
take over Star Trek and make it, you know, turn

634
00:35:38.039 --> 00:35:40.280
it around and get rid of this, you know whatever

635
00:35:40.360 --> 00:35:43.840
he said, and Shatner basically blew him off. And it's like,

636
00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:47.760
that's somebody who says that can't understand the true nature

637
00:35:48.360 --> 00:35:51.199
of what Star Trek is. And you notice my shirt,

638
00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:55.920
you know, because it's the end of Pride month, and yeah,

639
00:35:56.039 --> 00:36:00.519
people people of different I just just everybody does to

640
00:36:01.320 --> 00:36:04.440
have a place at the table and they're existing. Does

641
00:36:04.519 --> 00:36:09.679
nothing to ruin your lives, you cry, baby bleepers. I mean,

642
00:36:09.679 --> 00:36:12.039
that's that's that's a meme that's out there. And being

643
00:36:12.039 --> 00:36:14.840
a mama bear and seeing seeing an uptick in the

644
00:36:14.920 --> 00:36:19.159
hatred to my one, my eldest who's in the community,

645
00:36:19.320 --> 00:36:22.199
it's painful. And you know Star Trek, I mean they had,

646
00:36:22.679 --> 00:36:25.960
you know, with with dax jaed Zia having that really

647
00:36:26.000 --> 00:36:30.000
hot kiss with her former host's former husband's wives whatever,

648
00:36:30.119 --> 00:36:32.960
you know, that one particular episode. That's that's what Star

649
00:36:33.000 --> 00:36:35.280
Trek is about. And if you talk with the actors,

650
00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:37.679
I don't think there's I don't know any one of

651
00:36:37.719 --> 00:36:41.000
them that would, you know, agree with it's like, oh,

652
00:36:41.039 --> 00:36:43.320
Star Trek's two woke, we shouldn't do this, that or

653
00:36:43.360 --> 00:36:45.679
the other. They will absolutely say, no, that's not what

654
00:36:45.760 --> 00:36:48.440
Star Trek is about. And they should know because they've

655
00:36:48.440 --> 00:36:52.719
been in the show, they've lived it. So yeah, if

656
00:36:52.719 --> 00:36:55.360
you don't you know what Lisa said, if you don't

657
00:36:55.440 --> 00:36:58.559
like an episode in a season, then don't watch it,

658
00:36:58.920 --> 00:37:01.920
you know, just you know, the fake fans try and

659
00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:04.679
ruin it for everyone by trying to get shows canceled,

660
00:37:04.719 --> 00:37:06.800
you know, which I think that's absolutely what happened to

661
00:37:06.840 --> 00:37:10.320
Starfleet Academy. But yeah, thank you Lisa, because what you

662
00:37:10.400 --> 00:37:14.800
said is just absolutely awesome. And just just the comments

663
00:37:14.800 --> 00:37:17.639
that I see, I have to scroll past many of

664
00:37:17.679 --> 00:37:20.360
them otherwise I will, you know, meet somebody out of

665
00:37:20.400 --> 00:37:23.400
the airlock. But yeah, it's it's uh, I don't know's

666
00:37:23.880 --> 00:37:27.760
I'm very very my brain is obviously very scrambled because

667
00:37:27.800 --> 00:37:31.039
I just I love Star Trek and I just hate

668
00:37:31.039 --> 00:37:34.199
how things have changed in the real world and how

669
00:37:34.199 --> 00:37:37.360
it's affecting a show that was supposed to be in

670
00:37:37.400 --> 00:37:40.280
the future and showing us a better way forward. It's

671
00:37:40.320 --> 00:37:42.920
just really painful, and I just hope that you know,

672
00:37:42.960 --> 00:37:45.800
things can change, you know, I mean, they have to

673
00:37:45.880 --> 00:37:49.239
change politically. And I thought I'd never I'd never thought

674
00:37:49.239 --> 00:37:52.480
I would see such division and such hatred and such

675
00:37:52.760 --> 00:37:56.400
censorship in my lifetime. That feels like we're in, you know,

676
00:37:56.440 --> 00:37:59.159
a totally different era, but which I think Star Trek

677
00:37:59.199 --> 00:38:02.639
had Part one started. It was that was the message,

678
00:38:02.679 --> 00:38:05.159
and somehow here we are again, and we just I

679
00:38:05.159 --> 00:38:08.119
don't know. I better stop talking because otherwise I'll get upset.

680
00:38:08.159 --> 00:38:10.159
But I will pass it on to somebody else. But

681
00:38:10.559 --> 00:38:11.000
that's my.

682
00:38:11.000 --> 00:38:14.000
Take on it, you know, the like Lisa said, you know,

683
00:38:14.239 --> 00:38:17.639
my co host Eric and Charles can say, I despise

684
00:38:17.719 --> 00:38:21.559
the Orville. Okay, I just don't watch it. I don't

685
00:38:21.599 --> 00:38:24.440
watch it. I just I don't watch it. Do you

686
00:38:24.519 --> 00:38:27.480
hear me lamd basing it constantly? And no, I just

687
00:38:27.519 --> 00:38:30.199
don't watch it. I don't care, so I don't watch it. Yeah,

688
00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:32.760
I'm not going to go making videos telling people why

689
00:38:32.800 --> 00:38:35.400
it stocks, telling people not to watch it, telling people.

690
00:38:35.159 --> 00:38:37.320
Why I hate it. I don't like it, I don't

691
00:38:37.360 --> 00:38:39.440
watch it, and I move on in the story.

692
00:38:39.519 --> 00:38:42.440
Yeah, you know, I don't want to waste my time

693
00:38:42.840 --> 00:38:44.599
on things I don't enjoy and.

694
00:38:44.599 --> 00:38:48.639
Love, so I go to Star Trek. Yeah, but do

695
00:38:48.800 --> 00:38:51.840
my battleft around and yeah.

696
00:38:52.519 --> 00:38:54.920
But see like yeah that last sentence real quick, so

697
00:38:55.079 --> 00:38:57.800
she said. But yes, the show has changed, as it should.

698
00:38:57.840 --> 00:39:02.239
Everything changes, even Trek, but the core value remains. And

699
00:39:02.280 --> 00:39:05.519
if people don't know what that is, I'm not explaining

700
00:39:05.559 --> 00:39:07.280
it like I was saying, goes, if I have to

701
00:39:07.320 --> 00:39:08.920
explain it, you wouldn't understand.

702
00:39:09.239 --> 00:39:09.639
Boom.

703
00:39:09.679 --> 00:39:12.360
So again, I need to be friends with you, Lisa,

704
00:39:12.400 --> 00:39:15.239
because you sound like you're all That was Lisa. I

705
00:39:15.280 --> 00:39:17.559
just quoted Lisa and it's like she's a top fan

706
00:39:17.760 --> 00:39:22.119
and you're awesome. And to me, that's that's that's a

707
00:39:22.159 --> 00:39:24.119
Star Trek fan, right there, a true fan.

708
00:39:24.199 --> 00:39:25.559
That's why I picked to.

709
00:39:27.679 --> 00:39:31.480
Oh yeah, Eric, I see bid a little bit there ly,

710
00:39:31.559 --> 00:39:33.000
Yeah for sure.

711
00:39:33.719 --> 00:39:34.000
Yeah.

712
00:39:34.079 --> 00:39:36.360
I mean for me, this one started as kind of

713
00:39:36.400 --> 00:39:40.119
like a chicken and egg thing, right, like did society

714
00:39:40.199 --> 00:39:43.360
change first or did Star Trek? And I think that

715
00:39:43.400 --> 00:39:46.280
Star Trek, of course, has always been a reflection of

716
00:39:46.360 --> 00:39:49.119
the society that you know, it was produced in. And

717
00:39:49.239 --> 00:39:52.519
you know, Jim, you talk about Berman track. And if

718
00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:54.840
you look at what society was like in the late

719
00:39:54.880 --> 00:39:59.119
eighties and early nineties, you know, have you seen the

720
00:39:59.159 --> 00:40:02.360
movie America Psycho, Like, That's what it was like, right.

721
00:40:02.400 --> 00:40:06.400
It was like Wall Street boys, take what you can get, brutal,

722
00:40:07.000 --> 00:40:10.960
whatever's misogyny, you know, it was about a lot of

723
00:40:10.960 --> 00:40:13.719
those things, and so Star Trek you know, reflected some

724
00:40:13.800 --> 00:40:15.880
of those values. Now, there was still a ton of

725
00:40:15.880 --> 00:40:18.440
Star Trek, let's be clear, in the late eighties and

726
00:40:18.519 --> 00:40:22.320
early nineties that did completely adhere to what I would

727
00:40:22.400 --> 00:40:25.760
consider to be Star Trek core values. And there's you know,

728
00:40:25.800 --> 00:40:29.079
there's like a pretty short list of Star Trek core

729
00:40:29.199 --> 00:40:32.239
values if I was, you know, to name my own,

730
00:40:32.559 --> 00:40:36.800
the first being you know, infinite diversity and infinite combinations.

731
00:40:36.920 --> 00:40:39.920
That that idea that everybody, as V was saying, has

732
00:40:39.920 --> 00:40:42.360
a seat at the table. You know, regardless of who

733
00:40:42.400 --> 00:40:44.920
you are, you can you can come in and be

734
00:40:45.119 --> 00:40:48.559
welcomed and not only be welcome, but be celebrated. I

735
00:40:48.559 --> 00:40:52.320
think that's really always been part of Star Trek, you know,

736
00:40:52.440 --> 00:40:56.519
classic Star Trek has that sort of optimism to it

737
00:40:56.599 --> 00:40:59.559
and all what I think has always been called kind

738
00:40:59.559 --> 00:41:03.079
of a human view, which to me has always meant

739
00:41:03.159 --> 00:41:07.719
a base of humanity who are not reliant on their

740
00:41:08.079 --> 00:41:10.960
looking up to whatever the next power is, but like

741
00:41:11.199 --> 00:41:15.480
rather taking on all of the responsibility of the society

742
00:41:15.760 --> 00:41:18.079
and you know, the ways that they want to shape

743
00:41:18.079 --> 00:41:22.199
it on themselves, human beings steering their own destiny rather

744
00:41:22.239 --> 00:41:27.000
than relying on you know, fate or whatever other entity

745
00:41:27.159 --> 00:41:29.639
might be out there that you know, steers the hand

746
00:41:29.719 --> 00:41:32.800
of where they're going. And I think that modern Star

747
00:41:32.840 --> 00:41:35.639
Trek is still adhering to that sort of thing. In

748
00:41:35.679 --> 00:41:38.800
addition to the ITIC, then you've got like the prime

749
00:41:38.840 --> 00:41:42.880
directive stuff, right, which I think is where like partially

750
00:41:42.920 --> 00:41:45.840
where Jim hates the Orville because they violate the prime

751
00:41:45.880 --> 00:41:49.440
directive all over the place, so you know whatever. There's

752
00:41:49.480 --> 00:41:51.960
also plenty of other sci fi where they violate the

753
00:41:51.960 --> 00:41:54.880
prime directive all the time. But I think that modern

754
00:41:54.880 --> 00:41:59.280
Star Trek takes that into consideration, and that's really a

755
00:41:59.360 --> 00:42:03.960
real reflection of you know, imperialistic values, right, Like when

756
00:42:04.159 --> 00:42:09.320
a military power comes into a what could be perceived

757
00:42:09.360 --> 00:42:13.440
as a technologically inferior you know, depending on your perspective

758
00:42:13.519 --> 00:42:16.599
and point of view, but like society, like do they

759
00:42:16.639 --> 00:42:19.880
have a responsibility to not interfere with that society. This

760
00:42:20.079 --> 00:42:22.840
v is where I like, I've been watching a lot

761
00:42:22.880 --> 00:42:25.719
of Stargate lately because you have you love that show,

762
00:42:25.800 --> 00:42:27.159
I know, and I've been thinking about it a lot.

763
00:42:27.239 --> 00:42:30.840
And I will say, like the first half of season

764
00:42:30.920 --> 00:42:35.159
one right now, they are constantly violating the prime directives.

765
00:42:36.440 --> 00:42:41.239
It's definitely Stargate is definitely not a like Star Treking

766
00:42:41.320 --> 00:42:43.840
show to me. I mean, I'm still totally enjoying it.

767
00:42:43.920 --> 00:42:46.920
I love the you know, all the actors and stuff,

768
00:42:46.960 --> 00:42:50.880
but yeah, the prime directive is definitely part of Star Trek.

769
00:42:51.000 --> 00:42:54.519
Right then you get like the exploration and like science

770
00:42:54.800 --> 00:42:59.440
side of things. Right, So, to me, modern fans are

771
00:42:59.559 --> 00:43:04.400
less interested in exploration and science than they used to be.

772
00:43:04.760 --> 00:43:07.679
And I think that's probably due to the Internet. Jim

773
00:43:07.800 --> 00:43:11.599
was mentioning Internet stuff, but like people's attention is just

774
00:43:11.840 --> 00:43:15.559
constantly occupied by mindless shit that they find on the

775
00:43:15.599 --> 00:43:18.960
Internet and pass on to one another, right, and they

776
00:43:19.000 --> 00:43:22.400
don't have to downtime, Like, how many people, how many

777
00:43:22.440 --> 00:43:25.360
people in line at any place that you go to,

778
00:43:25.719 --> 00:43:30.039
are not on their phone? Right? Is it possible to

779
00:43:30.159 --> 00:43:33.440
even be within oneself and not be on your phone

780
00:43:33.480 --> 00:43:38.039
these days? I don't know. That feels weird, and so contemplation, exploration,

781
00:43:38.199 --> 00:43:42.239
the idea of you know, wondering about things, I think

782
00:43:42.320 --> 00:43:45.880
is on a downward trend personally. I mean, I still

783
00:43:45.880 --> 00:43:47.559
wonder about shit all the time, but I don't think

784
00:43:47.599 --> 00:43:50.679
everybody does. And then, as I said, like finally, you

785
00:43:50.719 --> 00:43:54.119
know it just being like allegory for modern society, and

786
00:43:54.159 --> 00:43:56.800
Modern Trek is definitely doing that. The ways in which

787
00:43:56.800 --> 00:44:00.639
I think that I see that in Modern Trek are Okay,

788
00:44:01.119 --> 00:44:03.880
card came out and it had kind of a like

789
00:44:04.079 --> 00:44:06.840
I remember us talking about it's sort of dark feel,

790
00:44:06.960 --> 00:44:11.000
you know, and that's definitely a modern development in Trek,

791
00:44:11.119 --> 00:44:14.400
the lighting and all. Actually, no, you know where it started.

792
00:44:14.599 --> 00:44:18.599
It started with Discovery and that freaking like Tartar Grade episode, right,

793
00:44:18.719 --> 00:44:22.159
and like they were, they rebooted Star Trek. We get Discovery,

794
00:44:22.199 --> 00:44:24.559
we get the Tartar Grade episode, and it was like,

795
00:44:24.719 --> 00:44:27.239
all of a sudden, Star Trek was horror, and I

796
00:44:27.280 --> 00:44:31.480
feel like that episode set a bad precedent honestly for

797
00:44:31.599 --> 00:44:35.159
what people were gonna how people were going to perceive

798
00:44:35.639 --> 00:44:38.159
modern track. I don't know, you know, not everybody saw

799
00:44:38.159 --> 00:44:40.719
that episode, but I do think that Discovery had a

800
00:44:40.800 --> 00:44:45.760
rough start partially because of the aggressive of the sort

801
00:44:45.800 --> 00:44:48.000
of intensity of it. I don't know that was. You know,

802
00:44:48.159 --> 00:44:50.199
I'm an mpath so I can't help, but I that

803
00:44:50.199 --> 00:44:52.679
that episode was just like whoa, what fuck's happening right now?

804
00:44:52.760 --> 00:44:56.199
But yeah, So anyway, long story short, has society changed

805
00:44:56.280 --> 00:44:59.000
or has Star Trek? Yes, you know, society has gotten darker.

806
00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:02.679
People have lost a lot of hope, I think, And

807
00:45:03.239 --> 00:45:04.679
you know, if you look at this sort of like

808
00:45:04.880 --> 00:45:09.400
income to success curves, they're all heading the wrong directions

809
00:45:09.400 --> 00:45:11.440
and the richer getting richer and the poor getting poorer.

810
00:45:11.599 --> 00:45:14.559
So I think we see that in modern Star Trek

811
00:45:14.719 --> 00:45:18.119
reflected back at us, and it's kind of sad, but

812
00:45:18.239 --> 00:45:21.000
it is also totally on point with everything that we've

813
00:45:21.000 --> 00:45:24.519
ever seen in the history of Star Trek. So yes,

814
00:45:25.719 --> 00:45:26.119
there you go.

815
00:45:26.599 --> 00:45:30.559
Well, well, said Eric Charles David Paul. Someone want to

816
00:45:30.599 --> 00:45:34.039
jump in, I'll jump in. Cool, excellent.

817
00:45:35.480 --> 00:45:37.519
I look at some of the comments and I'm thinking

818
00:45:37.760 --> 00:45:43.920
things changed after Enterprise. Things did change after Enterprise because

819
00:45:43.960 --> 00:45:47.599
when we got Curseman the era with Discovery, we were

820
00:45:47.639 --> 00:45:50.880
no longer going and saying we got to make sure

821
00:45:50.920 --> 00:45:53.719
we have the TV on at eight o'clock on Fox.

822
00:45:53.840 --> 00:45:56.039
Now we went to our streaming service, and we went

823
00:45:56.119 --> 00:45:58.800
to go watch the episode, which means all of a sudden,

824
00:45:58.920 --> 00:46:02.320
they weren't as the in on all the commercial time

825
00:46:04.079 --> 00:46:09.079
that regular TV had. We also weren't as much worried

826
00:46:09.239 --> 00:46:13.480
about the censor on streaming. Okay, hey we can use

827
00:46:13.519 --> 00:46:16.719
an adult language once in a while, Telly can drop

828
00:46:16.760 --> 00:46:17.679
a four letter work.

829
00:46:17.760 --> 00:46:19.639
Couldn't do that, really.

830
00:46:19.519 --> 00:46:22.480
Couldn't do that on television at one point, especially in

831
00:46:22.480 --> 00:46:26.320
the TSTNG era, you couldn't have sat there and dropped

832
00:46:26.320 --> 00:46:28.719
a four letter work. So all of a sudden, it's like, oh,

833
00:46:28.800 --> 00:46:32.000
we weren't sitting there hitting our watch, being there at

834
00:46:32.039 --> 00:46:37.599
eight o'clock, or hitting our DVR skipping commercial. We were

835
00:46:37.639 --> 00:46:40.519
watching a whole episode when we wanted to. We wanted

836
00:46:40.559 --> 00:46:42.800
to see it twice. Okay, we're done with it, go

837
00:46:42.880 --> 00:46:45.320
back watch it again, watch it a few days later,

838
00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:48.920
see what we missed. We also had the first occasion

839
00:46:49.800 --> 00:46:53.840
with Discovery that there was an after show somebody talked

840
00:46:53.840 --> 00:46:56.760
about the episode. We got behind the scene back in

841
00:46:56.840 --> 00:47:00.840
the TNG, back in the back in the previous era,

842
00:47:01.119 --> 00:47:02.840
previous ear. It's like, oh, you want to be you

843
00:47:02.920 --> 00:47:05.119
want to see behind the scenes, you want to see

844
00:47:05.159 --> 00:47:07.480
the blooper reels, Well, you had to wait for you

845
00:47:07.519 --> 00:47:12.000
had to wait for the VHS tape to come out

846
00:47:12.079 --> 00:47:14.360
or the DVD to come out. You didn't get to

847
00:47:14.400 --> 00:47:16.639
see that stuff right away. You didn't get to see

848
00:47:16.639 --> 00:47:19.320
that stuff popping. We were able to see more of

849
00:47:19.400 --> 00:47:22.920
what was going on with Star Trek with this new era,

850
00:47:23.039 --> 00:47:26.079
and we hit the peak of the Internet. So we

851
00:47:26.199 --> 00:47:29.119
had the chat groups. We had all kinds of people

852
00:47:29.159 --> 00:47:32.519
where the conversations were out there. I think Facebook was

853
00:47:32.599 --> 00:47:35.599
around then. We had everybody chatting about what was going on,

854
00:47:35.840 --> 00:47:39.239
what they like dislike. It wasn't mailing stuff in, it

855
00:47:39.280 --> 00:47:43.480
wasn't going to a comic invention. It was okay, I

856
00:47:43.519 --> 00:47:45.800
could go right to my computer and I could start

857
00:47:45.840 --> 00:47:48.239
saying how I felt. So we had a lot more

858
00:47:48.400 --> 00:47:51.679
direct contact of how people felt about how things were going.

859
00:47:51.679 --> 00:47:54.480
And people were unhappy. You mean, I have to pay

860
00:47:54.639 --> 00:47:56.280
for my Star Trek you want know?

861
00:47:56.360 --> 00:47:59.039
I agree with Jim. It's like, yeah, I had problems.

862
00:47:59.079 --> 00:48:01.440
I didn't get to see a just Star Trek because

863
00:48:01.480 --> 00:48:04.280
I had problems getting a good U chef. Sigmas no

864
00:48:04.360 --> 00:48:07.639
longer in Fox. It was over on UPN. Well, UPN

865
00:48:07.800 --> 00:48:09.639
wasn't always the best channel to get a hold of.

866
00:48:09.840 --> 00:48:12.360
So I did miss some episodes back then. So I

867
00:48:12.360 --> 00:48:15.239
think Star Trek did have changes going on with the

868
00:48:15.320 --> 00:48:19.079
kurtsman Ere. But we also only had at one point

869
00:48:19.159 --> 00:48:23.840
thirteen down to ten episodes because that's what streaming started demanding.

870
00:48:24.000 --> 00:48:26.679
As we had short up. We had a short season.

871
00:48:26.920 --> 00:48:31.239
You didn't have as many character developments episodes as you

872
00:48:31.360 --> 00:48:35.280
did in the Legacy series. They had more time to say, Okay,

873
00:48:35.320 --> 00:48:36.920
we got to blow up, we got an episode we

874
00:48:36.920 --> 00:48:40.320
can throw away that we can focus on one character.

875
00:48:40.679 --> 00:48:42.880
Didn't have as much time to sit there and focus

876
00:48:42.920 --> 00:48:45.679
on one character. But yes, we did have a lot

877
00:48:45.679 --> 00:48:48.039
of We did have a bunch of episodes in Discovery

878
00:48:48.599 --> 00:48:51.119
they did focus on some of the cast, and later

879
00:48:51.159 --> 00:48:53.679
seasons we got more in depth into the rest of

880
00:48:53.719 --> 00:48:55.920
the Bridge crew. But there were certain people we really

881
00:48:55.920 --> 00:48:59.039
wanted to focus on. Season walk per card. You missed

882
00:48:59.360 --> 00:49:03.880
you only you only sit there and remember didn't remember

883
00:49:04.000 --> 00:49:05.480
characters that for third season.

884
00:49:07.280 --> 00:49:09.159
There were a lot of good characters.

885
00:49:08.679 --> 00:49:11.840
In season one and season two, but if you were

886
00:49:11.880 --> 00:49:14.480
just kind of saying, ah, I don't really care about it, No,

887
00:49:14.599 --> 00:49:17.760
you missed those characters. We got some good stories with

888
00:49:17.840 --> 00:49:20.440
some of whose character. So I think Star Trek in

889
00:49:20.519 --> 00:49:23.440
ways has changed a bit for the batter. I think

890
00:49:23.480 --> 00:49:25.519
it's nice to be able to see Star Trek one

891
00:49:25.559 --> 00:49:28.400
I want and not have to worry about the TV schedule.

892
00:49:28.639 --> 00:49:31.000
Also like the fact that some of the pre shows,

893
00:49:31.159 --> 00:49:32.639
some of the being able to see some of the

894
00:49:32.719 --> 00:49:36.559
cons and all the celebrating a Star Trek that's out there,

895
00:49:36.559 --> 00:49:38.719
and I think it pushed towards the good. Yes, there

896
00:49:38.719 --> 00:49:41.920
were issues, but hey, we got the Kurtsman ear, the

897
00:49:41.960 --> 00:49:46.880
Kurtsman era, could do adult, could do a little more adult. Okay, well,

898
00:49:46.960 --> 00:49:50.280
let's actually talk about a little more diversity out there. Yes,

899
00:49:50.360 --> 00:49:53.519
people don't like diversity us. We're hanging around We're hanging

900
00:49:53.559 --> 00:49:55.280
around society that's very diverse.

901
00:49:55.519 --> 00:49:57.480
We want to be able to.

902
00:49:56.960 --> 00:50:01.000
Celebrate that diversity, not hide from it. Star Trek's changed,

903
00:50:01.039 --> 00:50:02.840
but I think it's changed for the better, and I

904
00:50:02.840 --> 00:50:04.760
think it's going in the direction it should be going,

905
00:50:04.840 --> 00:50:06.280
even if some people don't like it.

906
00:50:06.320 --> 00:50:11.039
Well said Charles, Well said David a floating head.

907
00:50:14.119 --> 00:50:17.199
A lot have been said which I agree, disagree with

908
00:50:17.239 --> 00:50:18.840
a lot of what you guys have said. I'm not

909
00:50:18.880 --> 00:50:20.559
really going to go over a lot of it just

910
00:50:20.559 --> 00:50:22.639
because of sake of time. But I do have to

911
00:50:22.679 --> 00:50:25.639
mention that I believe with the state of the question

912
00:50:26.039 --> 00:50:28.079
is that has Star Trek changed with a fan, And

913
00:50:28.119 --> 00:50:30.440
I would have to say that I think both both

914
00:50:30.559 --> 00:50:36.280
have definitely changed. Everything changes over time, culture, everything you know,

915
00:50:36.440 --> 00:50:40.360
TV shows, even and technology. Technology is definitely something that

916
00:50:40.440 --> 00:50:44.119
I think chang is quite often more than it should.

917
00:50:44.199 --> 00:50:47.679
But I think technology in general, like what Jim we're

918
00:50:47.719 --> 00:50:49.639
talking about, you know, we don't have a lot of

919
00:50:49.679 --> 00:50:52.400
AI back in the eighty or even none at all,

920
00:50:52.480 --> 00:50:54.960
and show to me, I'm wondering like a lot of

921
00:50:54.960 --> 00:50:58.320
the people who are like fake fans, they could be

922
00:50:58.360 --> 00:51:01.559
AI bots people program around body to probably just you know,

923
00:51:01.719 --> 00:51:06.440
spontaneously constantly say a lot of bad things and probably

924
00:51:06.480 --> 00:51:08.599
true that. Yeah, I don't know. It's just an idea

925
00:51:08.679 --> 00:51:12.760
that the society that we're living in today is probably

926
00:51:12.880 --> 00:51:15.199
full of a lot of propaganda that has just been

927
00:51:15.239 --> 00:51:17.880
going on, and that's probably what caused a lot of

928
00:51:17.880 --> 00:51:20.519
people to cause a lot of uproar of what's been

929
00:51:20.519 --> 00:51:22.840
going on. So, I mean, you know, AI's out there

930
00:51:22.880 --> 00:51:24.719
and whether it's going to be for the good or bad.

931
00:51:24.880 --> 00:51:26.920
I'm not a programmer, so I have no control over it,

932
00:51:26.960 --> 00:51:28.400
but I'm pretty sure a lot of people out there

933
00:51:28.440 --> 00:51:31.360
who could, so yeah, and there's a lot of evil

934
00:51:31.360 --> 00:51:34.199
people out there, so but you know, I would have

935
00:51:34.239 --> 00:51:36.480
to say I would like to think that there are

936
00:51:36.519 --> 00:51:38.280
a lot of other good people out there, of course,

937
00:51:38.320 --> 00:51:41.559
But I'm just saying, like the idea that culture changes

938
00:51:41.840 --> 00:51:45.639
all the time. I think Star Trek definitely had tried

939
00:51:45.679 --> 00:51:48.880
to keep up with the culture and with the idea

940
00:51:49.039 --> 00:51:52.280
that fan from like back in the sixties. You know,

941
00:51:52.360 --> 00:51:56.480
people just don't seem to get beyond the changing of

942
00:51:56.519 --> 00:51:59.960
the culture because they want to remain in a certain field.

943
00:52:00.199 --> 00:52:04.199
To you know, there's comfortable zone. I want to say, Yeah,

944
00:52:04.320 --> 00:52:07.760
I think there some fans change, some don't, and some

945
00:52:07.840 --> 00:52:10.639
people are more acceptance than others, some people have more empathy.

946
00:52:10.800 --> 00:52:13.599
There's a wide variety of different people out there who

947
00:52:13.760 --> 00:52:17.280
just can't seem to handle certain things. And so to me,

948
00:52:17.400 --> 00:52:20.320
I'm just like, yeah, I think this question is true

949
00:52:20.360 --> 00:52:24.280
for both statements that guide track changed. Like what you guys,

950
00:52:24.320 --> 00:52:26.000
I agree with that you guys were all saying about,

951
00:52:26.039 --> 00:52:28.760
you know, pretty much started to ride around Coachman and

952
00:52:28.880 --> 00:52:32.119
maybe it was dude. The fact that technology made it

953
00:52:32.159 --> 00:52:34.440
easier to watch Star Trek and made it broader to

954
00:52:34.480 --> 00:52:37.679
get it out there. Maybe, I mean technology changes, so

955
00:52:37.719 --> 00:52:39.400
I don't know. I don't want to keep repeating myself.

956
00:52:39.440 --> 00:52:41.119
All I'm trying to say is that, yes, I agree

957
00:52:41.159 --> 00:52:47.039
with both statements. People change over time, culture did tract change,

958
00:52:47.119 --> 00:52:49.119
and yeah, I do agree. I think it did change

959
00:52:49.159 --> 00:52:52.719
right around Coachman because it gotten a lot. Like Eric

960
00:52:52.800 --> 00:52:55.000
mentioned that one episode its tarted great, it just kind

961
00:52:55.000 --> 00:52:57.039
of got into the horror. But I mean, Guard Track

962
00:52:57.159 --> 00:53:01.159
had horror in it before. But it's just definitely got darker,

963
00:53:01.519 --> 00:53:04.000
that's for sure, and not darker as in lighting, but

964
00:53:04.679 --> 00:53:07.039
just the idea that it's kind of it was telling

965
00:53:07.079 --> 00:53:09.360
the more I don't know what's the word. I can't

966
00:53:09.360 --> 00:53:11.679
think of the word, but it's just basically it was

967
00:53:11.760 --> 00:53:14.960
just telling a more broader story of what they're trying

968
00:53:15.000 --> 00:53:18.000
to accomplish. Show and Star Trek in general, I think

969
00:53:18.119 --> 00:53:21.639
for sure has gotten a little bit of Okay, here's

970
00:53:21.639 --> 00:53:23.440
one thing that I wish I would have actually known

971
00:53:23.480 --> 00:53:26.800
from the beginning. If people would have known what Star

972
00:53:26.920 --> 00:53:29.920
Trek was from the beginning watching it, if they would

973
00:53:29.920 --> 00:53:32.079
have probably been able to say, hey, yeah, you know,

974
00:53:32.440 --> 00:53:34.679
this is about this, and they come and watch the

975
00:53:34.719 --> 00:53:37.960
show all of a sudden, you're like, I'm not sure

976
00:53:38.000 --> 00:53:41.320
I like this, but I like other parts of the show,

977
00:53:41.320 --> 00:53:43.199
And so a lot of the things, like the core

978
00:53:43.280 --> 00:53:45.679
values of the show, people could still like a show

979
00:53:45.719 --> 00:53:48.239
without having to go through the core value in my opinion,

980
00:53:48.360 --> 00:53:51.119
But when I first started watching Star Treks, in my opinion,

981
00:53:51.280 --> 00:53:55.440
I didn't understand Star Trek at all that much until

982
00:53:55.760 --> 00:53:58.239
way later. And then once I started getting into it,

983
00:53:58.280 --> 00:54:00.840
I was like, Okay, this is interesting. I still like it.

984
00:54:00.920 --> 00:54:04.599
I just don't really enjoy a lot of the different episodes.

985
00:54:04.760 --> 00:54:06.920
I'm not saying I like them all. I'm just saying that,

986
00:54:07.199 --> 00:54:10.480
you know, I have opinion, and I enjoy what I enjoy,

987
00:54:10.559 --> 00:54:12.400
and so a lot of the core values of Star

988
00:54:12.480 --> 00:54:15.199
Trek may not be my drop in the bucket, but

989
00:54:15.280 --> 00:54:17.599
I still enjoy it to a point where it's just like,

990
00:54:17.719 --> 00:54:19.639
you know, hey, this is pretty fun. It's a good

991
00:54:19.639 --> 00:54:22.320
sci fi show. Some of the stories are good. So yeah,

992
00:54:22.440 --> 00:54:24.079
have I trained over time? Possibly?

993
00:54:24.199 --> 00:54:24.519
Maybe?

994
00:54:24.599 --> 00:54:27.519
I don't know, But to me, I'm just saying that

995
00:54:27.679 --> 00:54:30.239
from my perspective, a lot of people can like many

996
00:54:30.280 --> 00:54:33.000
different things. Dompition, like Joiville, I love the oil film,

997
00:54:33.360 --> 00:54:35.719
you know, I mean, I know we keep going back

998
00:54:35.760 --> 00:54:38.719
to that, but it's just like, I don't know. To me,

999
00:54:38.920 --> 00:54:41.000
I kind of agree with a lot of what the

1000
00:54:41.079 --> 00:54:43.159
fans are saying, and a lot of them I would like.

1001
00:54:43.320 --> 00:54:46.199
But I'm not a people I'm not a people hater,

1002
00:54:46.480 --> 00:54:49.840
So you know, I have empathy. I love everything that

1003
00:54:49.920 --> 00:54:52.760
you guys are. You know in this group that we're

1004
00:54:52.800 --> 00:54:55.559
here together. So it's been quite a lot fun. I

1005
00:54:55.599 --> 00:54:57.639
got some friends out of it, So there you go, all.

1006
00:54:57.639 --> 00:55:01.400
Right, and that my friends, we guys in a full circle.

1007
00:55:01.679 --> 00:55:03.480
Right back to Paul, who gets to pull up the

1008
00:55:03.519 --> 00:55:07.679
caboose and are you sure?

1009
00:55:07.920 --> 00:55:10.000
Are you sure? Uncle Jim?

1010
00:55:10.400 --> 00:55:12.559
Oh, I've been I've been waiting to hear Paul. I've

1011
00:55:12.599 --> 00:55:13.920
been looking forward to this.

1012
00:55:16.599 --> 00:55:18.840
We've trodden a lot of ground and I don't want

1013
00:55:18.880 --> 00:55:21.639
to repeat what's been said if I can avoid it,

1014
00:55:21.679 --> 00:55:24.039
and we've tried retrod a lot of the same ground

1015
00:55:24.119 --> 00:55:27.119
repetitively over and over and over again. So I think

1016
00:55:27.199 --> 00:55:32.000
that it's obviously both things have changed. Fans have changed

1017
00:55:32.039 --> 00:55:34.679
to some degree and the show has changed to some degree.

1018
00:55:34.760 --> 00:55:37.480
That's a given. I think it's not really a question. Really,

1019
00:55:37.480 --> 00:55:40.760
it's obvious, But let's talk a little bit about the

1020
00:55:40.800 --> 00:55:43.719
fandom and a lot about the nature of the show.

1021
00:55:44.039 --> 00:55:46.159
I think is the way I would approach it. Right,

1022
00:55:46.239 --> 00:55:48.800
we live in a different age now, Okay. I think

1023
00:55:48.920 --> 00:55:52.559
fans represent culture. I mean, that's basically it.

1024
00:55:52.639 --> 00:55:53.000
You had.

1025
00:55:53.360 --> 00:55:55.800
I'm sure, you know, as Uncle Jim said at the beginning,

1026
00:55:55.840 --> 00:55:59.360
I'm sure there were people that responded very negatively to you.

1027
00:55:59.599 --> 00:56:02.320
But it was step Shouldern episode of the original series

1028
00:56:02.360 --> 00:56:05.400
when you know, William Shatner kissed Michelle Nichols. I'm sure

1029
00:56:05.400 --> 00:56:08.159
that they really freaked out about that. They didn't let right,

1030
00:56:08.719 --> 00:56:11.440
And had they had a thing called social media that

1031
00:56:11.480 --> 00:56:14.639
would have allowed them to broadcast their opinions beyond the

1032
00:56:14.679 --> 00:56:17.679
hay bail they were sitting at, I think that you know,

1033
00:56:17.719 --> 00:56:20.679
they would have I'm sure been you know, soodcasting their

1034
00:56:20.920 --> 00:56:24.239
vitriol and hatred as much as we see. I just

1035
00:56:24.239 --> 00:56:26.280
think that they didn't have the tools or the ability

1036
00:56:26.360 --> 00:56:29.360
to do them. And I think, you know, we have

1037
00:56:29.440 --> 00:56:32.199
people who just have always not liked the stuff. And

1038
00:56:32.280 --> 00:56:34.719
it's important to remember too well. As much as you

1039
00:56:34.719 --> 00:56:38.000
know Rodenbery's take on you know, the infinite diversity thing,

1040
00:56:38.239 --> 00:56:40.920
the I dick as a stated principle of star Trek

1041
00:56:41.000 --> 00:56:44.199
didn't emerge until the third season of the original series.

1042
00:56:45.119 --> 00:56:46.039
All right, that's.

1043
00:56:45.880 --> 00:56:48.039
When he really sorted, let's crystallize and give a name

1044
00:56:48.079 --> 00:56:50.320
to what it is that we're talking about with the

1045
00:56:50.360 --> 00:56:54.440
openness of an acceptance of the show, which was always

1046
00:56:54.559 --> 00:56:57.400
there as back far back as early as episodes, like

1047
00:56:57.480 --> 00:57:02.960
a balance of terror. When you know, acceptance negative perceptions

1048
00:57:02.960 --> 00:57:06.679
of bigotry, we're really being espoused. That's the core empathy

1049
00:57:06.679 --> 00:57:08.880
of star Trek that we've always had. Right, You don't

1050
00:57:08.960 --> 00:57:12.159
need to be a left wing person or a liberal

1051
00:57:12.239 --> 00:57:15.159
to have that in your DNA. You just basically have

1052
00:57:15.239 --> 00:57:17.400
to be a decent person and not be a hateful

1053
00:57:17.440 --> 00:57:22.079
person the civil sense of society. But social media has

1054
00:57:22.159 --> 00:57:25.320
amplified those divisions, right, And it's like, and I don't

1055
00:57:25.320 --> 00:57:27.559
want to really get to negative to say, those people,

1056
00:57:27.639 --> 00:57:30.440
those awful people over there, like the folks who are

1057
00:57:30.440 --> 00:57:34.000
like braying about the DEI as a problem, because they're

1058
00:57:34.000 --> 00:57:36.800
not organically grown that way. I don't think. I think

1059
00:57:36.800 --> 00:57:39.719
that a lot of our adversaries in the world right now,

1060
00:57:40.159 --> 00:57:44.960
in the particularly in Russia, have you know, very carefully

1061
00:57:45.199 --> 00:57:48.000
used social media as a tool to divide us, and

1062
00:57:48.039 --> 00:57:50.760
we just forget about that very conveniently. But it's not

1063
00:57:50.840 --> 00:57:52.880
like we're over here and a lot of people just

1064
00:57:52.960 --> 00:57:56.280
naturally hating each other. Is they're using social media and

1065
00:57:56.599 --> 00:57:59.679
manipulating its abilities to keep us divided and to keep

1066
00:57:59.719 --> 00:58:01.679
us each other. And so if we continue to do

1067
00:58:01.719 --> 00:58:05.119
that and go those people, I mean, you're basically falling

1068
00:58:05.119 --> 00:58:08.760
into being manipulated by our adversaries. And we need to

1069
00:58:08.760 --> 00:58:11.039
find more ways to align ourselves and come together and

1070
00:58:11.039 --> 00:58:13.400
find out things we have common and stop relying on

1071
00:58:13.440 --> 00:58:16.719
social media all the time. Is a method of divisiveness.

1072
00:58:16.800 --> 00:58:18.960
So I think that we really need to move beyond

1073
00:58:18.960 --> 00:58:20.840
that if we can. But you know, I don't think

1074
00:58:20.880 --> 00:58:23.239
we're going to suddenly change society. And as long as

1075
00:58:23.239 --> 00:58:25.400
society as the way it is right now, we're going

1076
00:58:25.440 --> 00:58:28.639
to have divisiveness, right and we're going to people manipulating

1077
00:58:28.679 --> 00:58:30.840
it to their ends, and that's what this is really

1078
00:58:30.840 --> 00:58:32.880
all about. But what I'd really like to focus on,

1079
00:58:32.880 --> 00:58:35.599
what it's been very little talk about on this episode tonight,

1080
00:58:35.719 --> 00:58:40.039
is storytelling. Okay, I think that we get so focused

1081
00:58:40.079 --> 00:58:42.519
on well, it's no longer on television, it's on streaming,

1082
00:58:42.599 --> 00:58:45.199
and there's x number of episodes versus how many used

1083
00:58:45.239 --> 00:58:48.719
to get. That's just distribution and production has nothing to

1084
00:58:48.760 --> 00:58:51.400
do with the storytelling and the nature of Star Trek.

1085
00:58:51.519 --> 00:58:53.280
If you want to talk about the nature Star Trek

1086
00:58:53.639 --> 00:58:55.199
itself and how it's changed, you have to talk about

1087
00:58:55.199 --> 00:58:57.840
the nature of it now. The storytelling has changed, right,

1088
00:58:57.880 --> 00:59:01.599
which is dramatic. I think I think of the comments

1089
00:59:01.599 --> 00:59:03.880
that Eric read earlier, the one from I think Robert

1090
00:59:03.920 --> 00:59:07.599
Bolivar was great. He talked about the movies, right, and

1091
00:59:07.679 --> 00:59:10.639
if you look at the movies, the most recent ones

1092
00:59:10.679 --> 00:59:12.800
that have happened, right, they're all about the villain. And

1093
00:59:12.800 --> 00:59:15.719
now the crew react to said villain, to quote Robert right,

1094
00:59:16.239 --> 00:59:18.320
and he emphasizes the story should be more about the

1095
00:59:18.440 --> 00:59:21.480
crew or the specific characters, and focus on our people,

1096
00:59:22.119 --> 00:59:26.280
not this you know, generic adversary who always shows up. Okay,

1097
00:59:26.320 --> 00:59:28.840
we saw that in as good as season three of Picard. Well,

1098
00:59:28.880 --> 00:59:33.400
here's Amanda Plummer, She's the obligatory villain, right, is engaging

1099
00:59:33.480 --> 00:59:37.679
as certain episodes of Starfleet Academy were. Right, Oh, here's

1100
00:59:37.679 --> 00:59:40.920
Paul Giamatti, the villain who shows up, right is Everything's

1101
00:59:41.000 --> 00:59:45.440
kind of there's a real formulaic style to the storytelling

1102
00:59:45.480 --> 00:59:47.760
that's been done on Star Trek right, written by a

1103
00:59:47.800 --> 00:59:50.000
lot of folks. So I think are they come out

1104
00:59:50.039 --> 00:59:53.719
of television right and the modern streaming definition of television,

1105
00:59:53.800 --> 00:59:56.400
those kind of scriptwriting environments where it's a writer's room

1106
00:59:56.480 --> 00:59:59.719
collectively trying to work on things, as posed to somebody

1107
01:00:00.119 --> 01:00:02.880
with the unique and specific voice that's writing the show.

1108
01:00:03.039 --> 01:00:06.159
So you have like a little you know, democratic collective

1109
01:00:06.159 --> 01:00:09.000
crafting each episode. Right, how can we make this appeal

1110
01:00:09.079 --> 01:00:11.239
to everyone? And how can we follow the formulas that

1111
01:00:11.280 --> 01:00:15.000
we've been slavishly conditioned to embrace, right, and that leads

1112
01:00:15.000 --> 01:00:18.480
for a lot of bad science fiction? Okay, I challenge

1113
01:00:18.519 --> 01:00:20.039
It's like when we think about, like, you know, the

1114
01:00:20.079 --> 01:00:23.320
original series, you can name like fifty sixty episodes, name

1115
01:00:23.440 --> 01:00:28.000
me one episode title from season two up a card, anybody,

1116
01:00:28.239 --> 01:00:30.679
one title without looking at the internet. One title of

1117
01:00:30.679 --> 01:00:36.000
one episode. You can't because they're not memorable. They're absolutely forgettable, right, Absolutely,

1118
01:00:36.199 --> 01:00:39.239
there's nothing iconic about them. Where it's like television show

1119
01:00:39.239 --> 01:00:42.360
should be that the next morning people can't stop talking

1120
01:00:42.360 --> 01:00:45.559
about it. Like with the end of I think I

1121
01:00:45.599 --> 01:00:48.639
want to say Season three finale, Best of Both Worlds

1122
01:00:48.679 --> 01:00:52.199
Part one, right, all of America was talking about that episode,

1123
01:00:52.400 --> 01:00:56.039
that finale, that Cliffhanger, and people could not stop engaging

1124
01:00:56.079 --> 01:00:58.239
around it and talking about it. It got everybody fired up.

1125
01:00:58.239 --> 01:01:01.039
It was excited. It got people excited about storytelling and

1126
01:01:01.119 --> 01:01:05.320
its nature. Star Trek is an adventure show, period, full stop.

1127
01:01:05.519 --> 01:01:08.159
It just happens to be an adventure show that very

1128
01:01:08.159 --> 01:01:12.159
cleverly talks about the human condition and philosophy and culture

1129
01:01:12.320 --> 01:01:15.280
and politics and all those other aspects. And I think

1130
01:01:15.360 --> 01:01:17.960
lately the show that's done that most adroitly has been

1131
01:01:18.000 --> 01:01:21.000
strange in worlds because it remembers, it doesn't forget to

1132
01:01:21.000 --> 01:01:23.960
be an adventure show. Discovery in the first two seasons

1133
01:01:24.079 --> 01:01:26.360
remembered it was an adventure show back when we had

1134
01:01:26.400 --> 01:01:28.760
Lorca on there. I think when we lost Larca, the

1135
01:01:28.800 --> 01:01:31.960
show kind of lost its way and it became heavily

1136
01:01:32.039 --> 01:01:35.639
overwritten and following a lot of TV tropes and really

1137
01:01:35.800 --> 01:01:38.400
lost its ability to entertain on a regular basis. They

1138
01:01:38.400 --> 01:01:41.119
would occasionally get a really good episode, but a huge

1139
01:01:41.199 --> 01:01:44.000
chunk of them we're forgettable and not really out there

1140
01:01:44.199 --> 01:01:46.679
getting the attention they should. And then you know, you're

1141
01:01:46.719 --> 01:01:50.079
trying to navigate this environment right and you're trying to

1142
01:01:50.159 --> 01:01:52.840
go ahead and keep fans going as you're losing things.

1143
01:01:52.880 --> 01:01:56.039
Prodigy gets canceled, This gets canceled. You know, all these

1144
01:01:56.039 --> 01:02:00.119
big you know, profitability oligarch sharks are circling paramount, And

1145
01:02:00.159 --> 01:02:01.840
what do you do. You make a movie like Section

1146
01:02:01.920 --> 01:02:04.559
thirty one. It's one of the worst pieces of you know,

1147
01:02:04.719 --> 01:02:07.599
television I have ever seen in my life, an absolute

1148
01:02:07.800 --> 01:02:10.800
horror show of an aptitude and you know it's poor

1149
01:02:10.880 --> 01:02:13.559
Michelle Yong get thrust in the middle of that nonsense.

1150
01:02:13.639 --> 01:02:16.039
So you cannot make a show like that and expect

1151
01:02:16.199 --> 01:02:20.239
to gain fan and you know, strengthen your position on

1152
01:02:20.320 --> 01:02:23.719
a you know, potentially floundering network. You can't do it.

1153
01:02:23.800 --> 01:02:26.400
So I think my advice would be you've got to

1154
01:02:26.400 --> 01:02:29.840
go back to the beginning to some degree and have

1155
01:02:29.960 --> 01:02:33.119
better storyteller, right, And I think Robert makes some great points.

1156
01:02:33.159 --> 01:02:35.360
Don't keep doing the same thing over and over again

1157
01:02:35.440 --> 01:02:38.760
following these formula. The best science fiction writers working right now,

1158
01:02:38.800 --> 01:02:43.239
people like Martha Wells and k. Jemison, Becky Chambers, Ted Chang,

1159
01:02:43.679 --> 01:02:47.400
Adrian Tchaikowsky. These are some of the best novelists that

1160
01:02:47.440 --> 01:02:51.119
are out there outside of television today. They're our age

1161
01:02:51.199 --> 01:02:54.000
is equivalent of like Harlan Ellison and Norman Spinrat and

1162
01:02:54.039 --> 01:02:57.000
Ted Sturgeon, folks who wrote for the original series right.

1163
01:02:57.159 --> 01:03:00.000
Stop using these you know, glorified interns who are right

1164
01:03:00.239 --> 01:03:04.599
their formula following you know WB script and get some

1165
01:03:04.639 --> 01:03:06.960
real science fiction writers in there and have the right

1166
01:03:07.039 --> 01:03:11.400
episodes that will embrace the unique nature of these characters

1167
01:03:12.039 --> 01:03:14.719
to help us tell a cautionary tale about the future.

1168
01:03:14.880 --> 01:03:17.320
And remember that at it's heard, Star Trek is an

1169
01:03:17.360 --> 01:03:21.000
adventure story about the adventure outside of us and the

1170
01:03:21.039 --> 01:03:24.639
adventure within us. And none of the writers writing the

1171
01:03:24.679 --> 01:03:26.920
stories I see on Star Trek and I remembering that,

1172
01:03:27.440 --> 01:03:29.519
and I think we need more literary writers who know

1173
01:03:29.519 --> 01:03:32.000
how to tell a good story and really embrace discovery

1174
01:03:32.159 --> 01:03:35.320
and exploration in science fiction to do that. So that

1175
01:03:35.360 --> 01:03:37.639
would be my advice as we move into new eras

1176
01:03:37.639 --> 01:03:40.480
in the future is look outside of the writer's room.

1177
01:03:40.599 --> 01:03:44.159
Bring in a writer who's published something successful and the

1178
01:03:44.239 --> 01:03:47.239
cat who wrote The Martian, I know that guy's a

1179
01:03:47.280 --> 01:03:50.320
great science fiction fan, a great Star Trek fan. Bring

1180
01:03:50.400 --> 01:03:53.079
that guy in, Bring Andy Weir in and say, hey, man,

1181
01:03:53.280 --> 01:03:54.960
we'd like you to write a Star Trek episode. You

1182
01:03:55.000 --> 01:03:57.199
can do whatever you want. That would get the greatest ratings.

1183
01:03:57.199 --> 01:03:59.599
It would be a huge success because you're bringing in

1184
01:03:59.599 --> 01:04:01.239
a name that people want to see what he has

1185
01:04:01.280 --> 01:04:04.840
to do. Right, It's it brings attention, right. I mean,

1186
01:04:05.000 --> 01:04:06.360
I don't know if any of us will ever get

1187
01:04:06.400 --> 01:04:09.079
to read the Quentin Tarantino star Trek script, but that's

1188
01:04:09.079 --> 01:04:11.800
a name that gets attention, all right. He's going to

1189
01:04:11.880 --> 01:04:13.559
have a point of view, as weird as it may be,

1190
01:04:13.599 --> 01:04:16.119
as divisive as it may be, it's going to galvanize

1191
01:04:16.159 --> 01:04:18.960
and get folks excited about the franchise again because it's like, Ooh,

1192
01:04:19.079 --> 01:04:21.800
this guy's got something to say. He's got a perspective

1193
01:04:21.920 --> 01:04:24.960
as opposed to half the Discovery episodes and half the

1194
01:04:25.039 --> 01:04:27.639
Card episodes that I couldn't tell you what the story

1195
01:04:27.679 --> 01:04:29.760
is and remember a single detail about if I tried,

1196
01:04:29.960 --> 01:04:32.280
they are not going to age. Well, they will be forgotten.

1197
01:04:32.400 --> 01:04:35.360
It's sound, but it's honest, right. So I think we

1198
01:04:35.400 --> 01:04:37.400
really need to bring in and remember that this is

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01:04:37.440 --> 01:04:41.079
all about storytelling, and we need storytelling as a human

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01:04:41.119 --> 01:04:43.280
audience now more than a So that's my take on it.

1201
01:04:43.360 --> 01:04:46.480
I think everything's changed, you know. I look at society

1202
01:04:46.519 --> 01:04:50.119
around me with a lot of fear and caution and suspicion.

1203
01:04:50.159 --> 01:04:52.639
But I'm also a diehard optimist, and I see the

1204
01:04:52.719 --> 01:04:55.800
younger generations coming forward right now that are more like,

1205
01:04:56.039 --> 01:04:59.400
more outspoken about they're willing to accept and what they

1206
01:04:59.400 --> 01:05:01.239
were not willing to except I looked at the youth

1207
01:05:01.360 --> 01:05:03.880
coming up as folks, I believe that we can put

1208
01:05:03.880 --> 01:05:05.199
a lot of hope in I want to see what

1209
01:05:05.239 --> 01:05:08.239
that those future storytellers who are young right now, what

1210
01:05:08.280 --> 01:05:10.519
they would do is Star Trek and start. That's my

1211
01:05:10.559 --> 01:05:13.039
two cents, gang, I hope that's okay to express.

1212
01:05:14.360 --> 01:05:15.840
No, I think that was perfect.

1213
01:05:16.000 --> 01:05:19.199
Well, before we move on to our Star Trek birthdays,

1214
01:05:19.239 --> 01:05:22.599
anybody want to add another the two cents before we

1215
01:05:22.639 --> 01:05:26.159
move on? Everybody happy? Okay, everybody's happy. So we're going

1216
01:05:26.199 --> 01:05:29.239
to do our Star Trek birthdays, which means David hast

1217
01:05:29.360 --> 01:05:30.079
Roll the tape.

1218
01:05:30.920 --> 01:05:50.679
Really that was not al song?

1219
01:05:53.760 --> 01:05:54.559
All right, guys?

1220
01:05:54.679 --> 01:05:57.199
Usually will we start out our birthdays with our sci

1221
01:05:57.239 --> 01:06:00.599
fi rememberances. We're gonna switch things up a little bit

1222
01:06:00.679 --> 01:06:03.719
this week because Paul has to run early, So we're

1223
01:06:03.719 --> 01:06:07.599
gonna jump right in and have Paul do his birthdays,

1224
01:06:08.000 --> 01:06:11.880
and then we'll go back and so you've got the

1225
01:06:12.000 --> 01:06:16.199
Mike Paul, It's okay.

1226
01:06:16.320 --> 01:06:19.480
Thanks for the heads up, man, I appreciate it. I

1227
01:06:19.480 --> 01:06:21.960
will frantically scroll to my section with those notes that

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01:06:22.360 --> 01:06:24.239
are out there. So let's do that.

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01:06:24.440 --> 01:06:24.920
Okay.

1230
01:06:25.719 --> 01:06:28.599
First of all, we have an illuminary right out of

1231
01:06:28.599 --> 01:06:32.039
the gate, which I always loved. The phenomenal Zoe Saldana

1232
01:06:32.880 --> 01:06:36.159
had a birthday this last week. This is an Academy

1233
01:06:36.199 --> 01:06:41.199
Award winning for us, who played Lieutenant Uvura in Star Trek,

1234
01:06:41.360 --> 01:06:45.000
the jj Abrams Iteration into Darkness and Star Trek Beyond

1235
01:06:45.119 --> 01:06:50.159
and did a phenomenal, phenomenal job. She is a science

1236
01:06:50.199 --> 01:06:53.280
fiction icon, this woman. I mean, she's been in like

1237
01:06:53.519 --> 01:06:58.119
three massive tent poles. I mean, good lord, she's basically,

1238
01:06:58.199 --> 01:07:01.760
you know, really made this character phenomenal in Star Trek.

1239
01:07:02.480 --> 01:07:05.800
She played ass kicking Gomorra in the Guardians of the

1240
01:07:05.840 --> 01:07:10.840
Galaxy movies within the Marvel Cinematic universe there, and she's

1241
01:07:10.880 --> 01:07:15.679
still rocking hard as blueskinned Navi Princess nay Tierri in

1242
01:07:15.719 --> 01:07:18.159
the Avatar franchise, which we just got another one of

1243
01:07:18.400 --> 01:07:23.719
just this very last December, and you can watch right

1244
01:07:23.760 --> 01:07:28.400
now on Disney Plus or on Ideally Physical Media if

1245
01:07:28.440 --> 01:07:31.599
you have no already purchased it. So but yeah, she's

1246
01:07:31.639 --> 01:07:35.000
just amazing, I mean, just doing all this stuff. She's

1247
01:07:35.039 --> 01:07:37.840
still a really young individual. I think as far as

1248
01:07:38.599 --> 01:07:42.000
longevity goes good, I can only imagine what she's going

1249
01:07:42.079 --> 01:07:45.559
to do as time goes on. She's a phenomenally talented actress,

1250
01:07:46.119 --> 01:07:50.000
got a lot of guts and chooses her material really,

1251
01:07:50.039 --> 01:07:52.920
really well. So it's delightful to wish a very happy

1252
01:07:53.079 --> 01:07:57.960
birthday and a very long career of success, much deserved

1253
01:07:57.960 --> 01:08:01.960
as always all talent. Okay, I'm going to go back

1254
01:08:02.000 --> 01:08:06.159
to another era, friends, and let's say happy birthday to

1255
01:08:06.239 --> 01:08:09.840
the great Richard Thomas, American actor, best known for his role,

1256
01:08:10.000 --> 01:08:14.679
of course, as John Boy Walton in let our viewers

1257
01:08:14.679 --> 01:08:17.359
don't remember the Waltons, but good night, John Boy. I

1258
01:08:17.479 --> 01:08:21.520
mey Award winning performance on that show. And of course

1259
01:08:21.640 --> 01:08:28.760
the original television version of Stephen King's horror novel It

1260
01:08:29.640 --> 01:08:32.479
from nineteen ninety, you know, the Tim Curry version of

1261
01:08:32.520 --> 01:08:36.720
it where he played the lead character Bill Denburrough on there, right,

1262
01:08:36.920 --> 01:08:40.880
amazing stuff. And then cult fans of science fiction, we'll

1263
01:08:40.880 --> 01:08:45.159
go back to Roger Corman's Battle Beyond the Stars, where

1264
01:08:45.239 --> 01:08:49.199
he played Chad, a young Akira farmer to a Curra

1265
01:08:49.239 --> 01:08:53.199
Coros alliance. This is basically a Seventh remake, who looks

1266
01:08:53.199 --> 01:08:55.720
for mercenaries to save his people in that terrific picture.

1267
01:08:55.760 --> 01:08:59.319
There so really fun stuff. So definitely man with all

1268
01:08:59.399 --> 01:09:05.359
kinds of big cred in the genre universe. So we

1269
01:09:05.439 --> 01:09:08.600
salute you, Richard Thomas. Good night, John Boyd, keep on going,

1270
01:09:09.600 --> 01:09:12.520
big favorite of mine. Next here. I love this guy,

1271
01:09:12.680 --> 01:09:17.760
absolutely amazing performer. The great Malcolm McDowell, British actor with

1272
01:09:17.880 --> 01:09:21.239
Charris from Star Trek fame, who played doctor Soren in

1273
01:09:21.279 --> 01:09:25.159
Star Trek Generations, the man who killed James Kirk. Oh, boy,

1274
01:09:25.159 --> 01:09:27.760
that'll get you all kinds of dirty looks when you

1275
01:09:27.840 --> 01:09:30.520
walk into the pub, won't it knock? Him? From Yorkshire

1276
01:09:30.560 --> 01:09:36.119
and Leeds originally? Of course, he made his big splash

1277
01:09:36.159 --> 01:09:40.840
on the universe in Stanley Kubrick's Opus A Clockwork Orange,

1278
01:09:41.239 --> 01:09:47.039
where he played the infamous Alex Delarge Vity Well my brothers,

1279
01:09:47.199 --> 01:09:50.359
Vitty Well in that amazing movie. Are there people on

1280
01:09:50.399 --> 01:09:54.119
this podcast in the treckspert's sphere who have not seen

1281
01:09:54.159 --> 01:09:57.800
Clockwork Orange? I have, fellow tr experts. Have you all

1282
01:09:57.840 --> 01:09:58.239
seen it?

1283
01:09:58.640 --> 01:10:00.720
I've seen most of it? Not all all of it, but.

1284
01:10:01.119 --> 01:10:05.279
Yeah, I suspect David hasn't seen it. But anyhow, I

1285
01:10:06.119 --> 01:10:08.520
would urge everyone who's not seen Clockwork Orange. We're kind

1286
01:10:08.520 --> 01:10:14.359
of in the Clockwork Orange era. It is not really

1287
01:10:14.439 --> 01:10:15.199
a horror movie.

1288
01:10:15.279 --> 01:10:18.119
David's afraid to admit that he hasn't seen it to you, Paul,

1289
01:10:18.359 --> 01:10:20.960
because he's afraid you'll think of him.

1290
01:10:22.800 --> 01:10:30.720
I'm very tolerant. I would as I would say that

1291
01:10:30.720 --> 01:10:33.760
that's an opportunity for improving, you know, but it's just

1292
01:10:33.800 --> 01:10:36.000
but it's it's as you get deep, you know, exposure

1293
01:10:36.039 --> 01:10:38.319
to us man, you're going to get more recommendations. And

1294
01:10:38.319 --> 01:10:41.000
it's a movie you should see, you know, for especially

1295
01:10:41.000 --> 01:10:43.600
living in the country and the times that we live.

1296
01:10:43.600 --> 01:10:46.279
And I think you'll find a lot of stuff that

1297
01:10:46.560 --> 01:10:48.720
it's a very disturbing picture. I mean, it's a very

1298
01:10:48.760 --> 01:10:51.880
disturbing picture. But I highly recommend it and see it

1299
01:10:51.920 --> 01:10:58.000
for Malcolm mcdow's performance, if nothing else amazing, it's it's

1300
01:10:58.000 --> 01:10:59.800
good tough. I'll be really curious to hear what you think.

1301
01:11:00.359 --> 01:11:04.960
Marriott Hartley, the lovely Marriott Hartley, Okay, Emmy Award winning actress.

1302
01:11:05.079 --> 01:11:07.439
Of course, in the third season, I would say this

1303
01:11:07.520 --> 01:11:09.119
is one of the best third season What was that

1304
01:11:09.199 --> 01:11:12.560
Space nineteen ninety nine graphic out there? I just did.

1305
01:11:12.560 --> 01:11:15.079
I just have a hallucination, was like, you know, I

1306
01:11:15.199 --> 01:11:19.600
got the neck take there? Oh did I really? Okay? Well,

1307
01:11:19.680 --> 01:11:21.520
well apparently, I mean I'm still on jet lag man.

1308
01:11:21.600 --> 01:11:23.960
So I'll finish with Mary Hartley.

1309
01:11:23.720 --> 01:11:24.680
And go back to the Nick Day.

1310
01:11:25.439 --> 01:11:29.079
God help me. I would say that the third season

1311
01:11:29.119 --> 01:11:32.119
episode that Mary Hartley was in All Our Yesterday's ranks

1312
01:11:32.119 --> 01:11:35.239
among the best, certainly of season three of the original series.

1313
01:11:35.439 --> 01:11:38.560
She was great getting down in the bear skin rug

1314
01:11:38.640 --> 01:11:41.159
with the Commander Spock there, you know, I mean, that's

1315
01:11:41.199 --> 01:11:44.680
some memorable stuff. But yeah, so sorry for going out

1316
01:11:44.680 --> 01:11:45.880
of order. Sorry, David, I'm like.

1317
01:11:46.119 --> 01:11:46.800
You know, a mess.

1318
01:11:46.840 --> 01:11:49.600
It's been a crazy week. Mary Harley, Happy birthday. And

1319
01:11:49.640 --> 01:11:52.239
now going back into the proper sequential order of which

1320
01:11:52.279 --> 01:11:54.760
I am in programmed to comply with, we will go

1321
01:11:54.840 --> 01:12:01.800
back to Australian amazing dude, Nick Saints, Okay, amazing cool.

1322
01:12:02.880 --> 01:12:06.680
He was in the fourth season episode Final Mission of

1323
01:12:06.880 --> 01:12:11.000
Next Gen Right and also Deep Space nine six season

1324
01:12:11.039 --> 01:12:15.239
episode Honor among Thieves, but amongst old school, gray haired

1325
01:12:15.239 --> 01:12:18.319
science fiction fans like myself. He will forever be known

1326
01:12:18.439 --> 01:12:22.119
as astronaut Alan Carter of moon Base Alpha on the

1327
01:12:22.479 --> 01:12:26.520
Alt time British science fiction show Space nineteen ninety nine,

1328
01:12:26.600 --> 01:12:29.239
where he would crash an Eagle space vehicle in just

1329
01:12:29.279 --> 01:12:31.840
about every episode he was in, which they kind of

1330
01:12:31.880 --> 01:12:34.279
referenced in all the Star Trek appearances he did every

1331
01:12:34.279 --> 01:12:36.600
single one of them. He crashes a space shuttle all

1332
01:12:36.640 --> 01:12:39.920
the time, so it's kind of hilarious. But great guy,

1333
01:12:40.000 --> 01:12:43.760
always going out the conventions and rubbin elbows with the

1334
01:12:44.399 --> 01:12:47.680
fans and the faithful there. So Nick Tate, we salute you, buddy.

1335
01:12:48.279 --> 01:12:50.079
I remember on an episode of Lost a few years

1336
01:12:50.119 --> 01:12:52.119
ago too. He's done a lot of still occasionally does

1337
01:12:52.119 --> 01:12:54.159
a lot of work. So a very cool guy, a

1338
01:12:54.720 --> 01:12:59.520
very likable character. Okay, back getting back here, I see

1339
01:12:59.520 --> 01:13:01.760
a lot of middle names here. I have to ignore

1340
01:13:01.800 --> 01:13:04.479
them because to me, they don't really line up with

1341
01:13:04.560 --> 01:13:06.560
my vision of the of who they are.

1342
01:13:06.560 --> 01:13:08.880
So I will it's not actually part of the person

1343
01:13:09.000 --> 01:13:10.680
for you, It's not.

1344
01:13:11.039 --> 01:13:11.279
It's not.

1345
01:13:11.439 --> 01:13:13.600
It's like it's like, like even know what I'm working

1346
01:13:13.640 --> 01:13:16.960
on their headstone anymore. It just seems it's like that's

1347
01:13:17.039 --> 01:13:18.079
not on my sad thing.

1348
01:13:19.079 --> 01:13:19.439
I like you.

1349
01:13:20.079 --> 01:13:21.760
I like to acknowledge people as it would be on

1350
01:13:21.800 --> 01:13:24.920
their television credits or their movie credits, right and where

1351
01:13:24.960 --> 01:13:27.279
it would just be Bruce Campbell. And that's how I'm

1352
01:13:27.279 --> 01:13:30.239
gonna say it, because that's it's not his credits. Well,

1353
01:13:30.319 --> 01:13:35.640
he wants it to me. Bruce Campbell of the Man

1354
01:13:35.920 --> 01:13:40.039
American actor and filmmaker, best known as Ash Williams Groovy

1355
01:13:41.000 --> 01:13:44.600
from Sam Raimi's infamous Evil Dead horror series. He also

1356
01:13:44.720 --> 01:13:48.680
appeared in Escape from la as the Search in general

1357
01:13:48.760 --> 01:13:53.000
of Beverly Hills just hilarious, and had a part in

1358
01:13:53.119 --> 01:13:56.239
Moontrap with Walter Koenig as well. Walter Kanig excuse me,

1359
01:13:56.600 --> 01:13:59.079
that's Space nineteen ninety nine. Talk got me thinking Konig

1360
01:13:59.119 --> 01:14:01.600
instead of Kanig. It's really easy to fuck that up,

1361
01:14:01.680 --> 01:14:05.119
isn't it. Friends. Anyhow, Bruce Campbell is amazing and he

1362
01:14:05.279 --> 01:14:08.319
was in the early pretty much any Sam Raimi movie,

1363
01:14:08.760 --> 01:14:12.119
probably you're going to see Bruce Campbell in that picture.

1364
01:14:12.239 --> 01:14:14.720
In some small part. He was like the wrestling MC

1365
01:14:15.239 --> 01:14:17.560
in the first Spider Man movie that Ramy did as well.

1366
01:14:17.680 --> 01:14:21.680
And personal note, Bruce lives in the state of Oregon.

1367
01:14:21.720 --> 01:14:25.720
I understand he is waging his own personal battle with

1368
01:14:25.760 --> 01:14:28.760
the horror of cancer these days, So Bruce, I want

1369
01:14:28.800 --> 01:14:31.119
to wish you the absolute best. I hope you're getting

1370
01:14:31.159 --> 01:14:34.520
the absolute most modern treatment. We need guys like you

1371
01:14:34.640 --> 01:14:37.159
around for a long long time. Bruce. I remember you

1372
01:14:37.279 --> 01:14:39.520
when you were on a show called brisk The Adventures

1373
01:14:39.520 --> 01:14:44.560
of Briscoe County, which was a wonderful Western parody, very

1374
01:14:44.640 --> 01:14:47.800
much akin to like the Wild Wild West. Just terrific stuff.

1375
01:14:48.319 --> 01:14:51.319
His early stuff on like Xena Warrior Princess. He's just

1376
01:14:51.439 --> 01:14:56.600
a wonderfully funny, a live character actor. I just love

1377
01:14:56.680 --> 01:14:59.479
his work. So wishing you all the best. Bruce Long

1378
01:14:59.560 --> 01:15:03.359
may live a friend. Moving on a happy birthday to

1379
01:15:03.399 --> 01:15:09.000
Mick Fleetwood of the rock and Amazing Fleetwood mac drummer, singer,

1380
01:15:09.239 --> 01:15:13.840
all around good guy. He appeared briefly and anonymously as

1381
01:15:13.920 --> 01:15:18.920
an Antedian dignitary under a whole bucket load of prosthetics

1382
01:15:19.039 --> 01:15:21.399
in the second season next year an episode man Hunt,

1383
01:15:21.960 --> 01:15:26.640
and was in the Picture of the Running Man the

1384
01:15:28.399 --> 01:15:31.000
Schwarzenegger picture there back in eighty seven. Is the leader

1385
01:15:31.039 --> 01:15:35.239
of the underground Resistance movement, and he spoke the memorable line,

1386
01:15:35.560 --> 01:15:38.840
mister Spock, you have the con which is interesting. I

1387
01:15:38.960 --> 01:15:42.000
must go find that again and watch again. But if

1388
01:15:42.000 --> 01:15:44.560
you don't like Fleetwood, Mac, I got nothing. I got

1389
01:15:44.640 --> 01:15:47.640
no use for you. That's what I say. You need

1390
01:15:47.720 --> 01:15:50.640
to go. You need to go work on your musical education.

1391
01:15:51.439 --> 01:15:54.760
It would be what I would say. So anyhow, amazing

1392
01:15:55.079 --> 01:15:59.079
dude and absolutely great to celebrate him. A big fan

1393
01:15:59.119 --> 01:16:03.439
of this guy. Sound to conclude with my birthday regalia

1394
01:16:03.560 --> 01:16:08.479
with this fellow who is quite the entertaining outspoken person

1395
01:16:08.560 --> 01:16:11.039
if you ever heard it, Locke antlers with him at

1396
01:16:11.079 --> 01:16:14.520
a con Oh boy, he does not hold back. Peter Weller,

1397
01:16:15.079 --> 01:16:20.039
the Great Peter Weller. Okay, of course in enterprises fourth

1398
01:16:20.159 --> 01:16:25.239
season episodes Demons and Tara Prime. He played John Frederick

1399
01:16:25.359 --> 01:16:28.399
Paxton in those enterprise episodes and they have a big

1400
01:16:28.479 --> 01:16:31.439
part in the Abrams picture Star Trek Into Darkness? Were

1401
01:16:31.640 --> 01:16:36.279
Alexander Marcus really cool? Bad Admiral? I mean, you know,

1402
01:16:36.560 --> 01:16:39.199
we've our friend Eric talk about bad admirals, evil and

1403
01:16:39.399 --> 01:16:41.880
admirals all the time. I mean, holy moly, that's a

1404
01:16:41.920 --> 01:16:45.520
bad admiral. That's a best What did Dan Zellan's say

1405
01:16:45.800 --> 01:16:48.600
in in Mandalorian.

1406
01:16:52.159 --> 01:16:54.520
Admiral Horrible baby Admiral?

1407
01:16:54.760 --> 01:17:02.000
No squeeze that Admiral of course, though I have a

1408
01:17:02.279 --> 01:17:06.960
ridiculous number of RoboCop action figures, and I have nothing

1409
01:17:07.000 --> 01:17:12.039
but fondness for the legendary performance of Officer Murphy and

1410
01:17:12.720 --> 01:17:17.760
the brilliant Paul Vorhoven action satire RoboCop from back in

1411
01:17:17.880 --> 01:17:21.920
nineteen eighty seven. Holy moly, what a picture and what

1412
01:17:22.119 --> 01:17:24.600
a performance one of the I mean you talk about

1413
01:17:24.680 --> 01:17:28.760
like people fearing that our humanity would get lost as

1414
01:17:28.920 --> 01:17:34.159
technology consumes us. That's what RoboCop is all about. And man,

1415
01:17:34.319 --> 01:17:36.960
that picture delivers hard. But the reason it delivers so

1416
01:17:37.039 --> 01:17:42.119
hard is because performance human he remains underneath all that stuff,

1417
01:17:42.239 --> 01:17:47.680
underneath all that It's amazing, absolutely amazing. So really really

1418
01:17:48.279 --> 01:17:52.039
a smart freaking guy, Peter Weller, and does not suffer

1419
01:17:52.119 --> 01:17:55.479
fools gladly. So if you're seeming to Cohn, be nice

1420
01:17:55.840 --> 01:17:58.159
would be my advice. Well one of my be nice.

1421
01:17:58.239 --> 01:18:02.560
And I loved what is his name, Miguel Ferrer as

1422
01:18:02.640 --> 01:18:07.039
the bad evil corporate guy getting like, you know, wiped

1423
01:18:07.079 --> 01:18:08.560
out by the robot.

1424
01:18:10.359 --> 01:18:13.680
That's a wonderful picture. I gotta bounce because I got

1425
01:18:13.680 --> 01:18:14.239
another meeting.

1426
01:18:14.239 --> 01:18:15.640
I gotta go to guys and bounce.

1427
01:18:15.640 --> 01:18:18.600
But I just want to mention if the fans out there,

1428
01:18:18.880 --> 01:18:21.239
go see Toy Story five if you have not, I

1429
01:18:21.359 --> 01:18:26.439
seen it twice already, and it's chefs, absolutely, absolutely amazing,

1430
01:18:27.159 --> 01:18:30.199
definitely worth your time, and quite wonderful in this day

1431
01:18:30.199 --> 01:18:32.199
as we live in. Take care of friends. I'll see

1432
01:18:32.239 --> 01:18:38.039
you next time, all right. So that was Paul's birthday.

1433
01:18:38.079 --> 01:18:39.640
We jumped him to the top because he had the

1434
01:18:39.720 --> 01:18:40.039
wrong But.

1435
01:18:40.159 --> 01:18:43.680
Now we're gonna swing back around to Eric, because Eric

1436
01:18:43.840 --> 01:18:47.279
always starts off by sadly enough, remembering those members of

1437
01:18:47.319 --> 01:18:49.960
our sci fi family who are no longer with us.

1438
01:18:50.039 --> 01:18:52.640
So take it away, Eric, yeah, Jim.

1439
01:18:52.760 --> 01:18:56.479
This week we start with actor John Warburton, the British

1440
01:18:56.560 --> 01:19:00.760
born actor who played the Romulan Centurion in the original

1441
01:19:01.000 --> 01:19:06.359
series first season episode Balance of Terror. He of course

1442
01:19:06.520 --> 01:19:10.840
was born in Liverpool, England, known for Cavalcade from nineteen

1443
01:19:10.920 --> 01:19:14.640
thirty three, Saratoga Trunk from nineteen forty five and Secret

1444
01:19:14.720 --> 01:19:19.399
File Hollywood from nineteen sixty two, made lots of appearances

1445
01:19:19.479 --> 01:19:22.880
in westerns back in the day, and plenty of motion

1446
01:19:23.000 --> 01:19:26.600
picture credits to his name. So happy birthday and lots

1447
01:19:26.640 --> 01:19:30.880
of love going out to John Warburton and that classic

1448
01:19:31.000 --> 01:19:36.479
look that he has from Balance of Terror. We are

1449
01:19:36.560 --> 01:19:40.319
now moving on beyond, and we are saying happy birthday

1450
01:19:40.399 --> 01:19:45.359
this week to Martin Landau. Yes, Martin Landau speaking of

1451
01:19:45.520 --> 01:19:50.079
space nineteen ninety nine. We lost Martin Landau back in

1452
01:19:50.119 --> 01:19:52.880
twenty seventeen, and I just want to talk a little

1453
01:19:52.880 --> 01:19:55.239
bit about him. He's got a pretty cool story. At

1454
01:19:55.319 --> 01:19:58.520
age seventeen, he was hired by the New York Daily

1455
01:19:58.600 --> 01:20:02.000
News to work on the promotion department before he became

1456
01:20:02.159 --> 01:20:05.880
a staff cartoonist and illustrator, where he would work for

1457
01:20:06.000 --> 01:20:11.640
five years. Then, you know, his major ambition was to

1458
01:20:11.720 --> 01:20:13.960
actually become an actor, and in nineteen fifty one, he

1459
01:20:14.039 --> 01:20:17.479
made his stage debut in Detective Story at the Peaks

1460
01:20:17.520 --> 01:20:21.760
Island Playhouse in Peaks Island, Maine. He made us off

1461
01:20:22.000 --> 01:20:25.760
Broadway debut that year that same year in First Love,

1462
01:20:26.439 --> 01:20:30.800
and he acted throughout the thirties, forties, fifties in various things.

1463
01:20:31.840 --> 01:20:33.640
He was actually, I don't know if you know this

1464
01:20:33.800 --> 01:20:38.520
or not, but Gene Roddenberry's first choice to play guess

1465
01:20:38.560 --> 01:20:42.039
who mister Spock. Yeah, he wanted Martin Landau to play

1466
01:20:42.119 --> 01:20:45.279
mister Spock and then eventually came around to, of course,

1467
01:20:45.399 --> 01:20:50.039
Leonard Nimoy. Martin Landau is probably best known for Mission Impossible.

1468
01:20:51.079 --> 01:20:54.199
You know, he was not originally meant to be a

1469
01:20:54.600 --> 01:20:59.039
regular on that series, which also starred Barbara Bain Hello

1470
01:20:59.159 --> 01:21:02.359
Space ninety nine, which you know, of course he eventually

1471
01:21:02.520 --> 01:21:08.720
married her, but his character Roland Hand was originally was

1472
01:21:08.840 --> 01:21:13.720
then eventually made into a recurring character, which was pretty exciting.

1473
01:21:14.159 --> 01:21:16.439
He won a Golden Globe once upon a time for

1474
01:21:17.199 --> 01:21:22.520
Best Male TV Star, and eventually he quit Mission Impossible

1475
01:21:22.560 --> 01:21:26.520
in nineteen sixty nine after a salary dispute, and that,

1476
01:21:26.640 --> 01:21:29.680
of course is when Peter Graves took over, and that's

1477
01:21:29.800 --> 01:21:32.399
the Mission Impossible that we all sort of think of

1478
01:21:32.600 --> 01:21:35.920
when we think of that show. He had a little

1479
01:21:35.920 --> 01:21:38.239
bit of a lull in his career in the seventies,

1480
01:21:38.319 --> 01:21:41.600
but then eventually came back right with that Space nineteen

1481
01:21:41.680 --> 01:21:44.840
ninety nine. And I, you know, everybody knows, everybody who's

1482
01:21:44.840 --> 01:21:48.039
a fan of the podcast knows that I semi recently

1483
01:21:48.640 --> 01:21:51.880
watched that entire series and really fell into it. Look

1484
01:21:51.960 --> 01:21:55.239
at his IMDb page. There are plenty of really cool

1485
01:21:55.359 --> 01:21:59.840
movies in there. He worked with Bella Lagosi once, you know,

1486
01:22:00.000 --> 01:22:03.039
we just tons of good stuff in there, So check

1487
01:22:03.079 --> 01:22:07.720
him out. Martin Landau lost back in twenty seventeen. We

1488
01:22:07.880 --> 01:22:09.920
love you and thank you so much for all of

1489
01:22:10.000 --> 01:22:14.279
your awesome contributions to sci fi and other stuff. Happy birthday,

1490
01:22:14.960 --> 01:22:17.600
Happy birthday as well to David L. Lander, the actor

1491
01:22:17.640 --> 01:22:21.159
who played the Ferengi tactician in the Next Generation second

1492
01:22:21.199 --> 01:22:24.840
season episode Peak Performance. He's best known for playing Andrew

1493
01:22:25.000 --> 01:22:31.920
Squiggy Swigman opposite Michael Keenan's Lenny Becausnowski im Lavern And

1494
01:22:31.960 --> 01:22:35.479
sure I did watch lavernon Shirley, but I was very,

1495
01:22:35.640 --> 01:22:39.079
very small, so I don't remember much about it. If

1496
01:22:39.119 --> 01:22:43.000
he did a ton of work with Lenny aka Michael mckegan,

1497
01:22:43.159 --> 01:22:48.079
he attended He attended acting classes at Carnegie Mellon. He

1498
01:22:48.279 --> 01:22:53.359
had roles in many television series, even played minors together

1499
01:22:53.399 --> 01:22:58.880
alongside David Bowie in The Weird Al Show. In nineteen eighty,

1500
01:22:59.119 --> 01:23:03.680
he released an album as Lenny and Squiggy, titled Lenny

1501
01:23:03.880 --> 01:23:05.199
and the squig Tones.

1502
01:23:05.479 --> 01:23:06.319
Yep, I remember that.

1503
01:23:07.640 --> 01:23:08.920
Have you heard it? I haven't heard it.

1504
01:23:09.119 --> 01:23:12.840
I remember that because Michael McKean is he is a musician,

1505
01:23:13.560 --> 01:23:17.840
and he's been in the different of course in This

1506
01:23:18.039 --> 01:23:21.079
Is Final Tap and all the other movies and that. Yeah,

1507
01:23:21.760 --> 01:23:26.920
and of course Michael McKean played Fear in that wonderful,

1508
01:23:27.000 --> 01:23:31.000
that scary, creepy episode of Voyager, so there's that.

1509
01:23:31.680 --> 01:23:35.640
Yeah, absolutely, yeah. He also played mister Pinkele on Twin

1510
01:23:35.760 --> 01:23:39.000
Peaks and did a ton of voiceover work along the way.

1511
01:23:39.159 --> 01:23:44.560
So yeah, awesome guy, awesome breath of work. Thank you,

1512
01:23:44.920 --> 01:23:47.840
David Lander for all the things that you did. We

1513
01:23:47.960 --> 01:23:52.119
lost you back in twenty twenty. And last, but not least,

1514
01:23:52.159 --> 01:23:54.720
on the remembrance list, we say happy birthday this week

1515
01:23:54.800 --> 01:23:58.279
to George Murdoch, the actor who portrayed God in Star

1516
01:23:58.399 --> 01:24:03.720
Trek five movie, as well as J. P. Hanson in

1517
01:24:03.840 --> 01:24:06.680
the Next Generation third and four season episodes Best Both

1518
01:24:06.760 --> 01:24:11.039
Worlds and Best Both Worlds Part Two, which I believe

1519
01:24:11.119 --> 01:24:13.600
Paul was just talking about as one of those, like

1520
01:24:13.920 --> 01:24:18.640
you know, classic movie cliffhangers. In the pre production of

1521
01:24:18.720 --> 01:24:22.319
The Final Frontier, director William Shatner had originally planned to

1522
01:24:22.399 --> 01:24:25.760
cast Murdoch for the role of Cord, the Klingon, so

1523
01:24:25.960 --> 01:24:29.760
he could have been a Klingon Jim. But that's actually

1524
01:24:29.920 --> 01:24:33.680
when Charles Cooper was read for the role, and you know,

1525
01:24:33.840 --> 01:24:36.800
he was like, nope, that's my going on. So the

1526
01:24:36.920 --> 01:24:40.680
other JP Hanson was demoted or promoted to God, I

1527
01:24:40.760 --> 01:24:44.399
don't I don't know which way that goes. Murdoch is

1528
01:24:44.439 --> 01:24:47.960
probably best known by fans for two reoccurring roles as

1529
01:24:48.239 --> 01:24:54.479
Lieutenant Ben Scanlon, the intern internal affairs officer on Barney

1530
01:24:54.560 --> 01:24:59.159
Miller and as well as the overstressed and bitter doctor

1531
01:24:59.319 --> 01:25:03.760
Salik on original Battle Star Galactica. Not the new one,

1532
01:25:03.880 --> 01:25:05.159
but that original one.

1533
01:25:05.239 --> 01:25:05.439
Yeah.

1534
01:25:06.079 --> 01:25:08.920
He was also on an episode of Seinfeld and Trapper

1535
01:25:09.000 --> 01:25:12.359
John MD and a few other things. So, George Murdoch,

1536
01:25:12.399 --> 01:25:15.399
thank you so much for your sci fi and other contributions.

1537
01:25:15.439 --> 01:25:19.880
We lost you way back in twenty twelve, which apparently

1538
01:25:20.000 --> 01:25:26.159
is now a long time ago. Yeah, So happy birthday

1539
01:25:26.760 --> 01:25:30.960
to George Burdock and Jim You got too Star Trek

1540
01:25:31.039 --> 01:25:35.680
five references this week, So congratulations, and I hope you

1541
01:25:35.760 --> 01:25:46.319
feel good about yourself. Okay, all right, well there, no,

1542
01:25:46.479 --> 01:25:48.720
let's keep going, ye.

1543
01:25:49.279 --> 01:25:50.399
Take it over all right?

1544
01:25:50.439 --> 01:25:54.319
Well, Happy birthday goes out to Joe Piscopo, a stand

1545
01:25:54.399 --> 01:25:57.840
up comic and actor who appeared as the comic in

1546
01:25:58.000 --> 01:26:03.279
TNG second season episode to the Outrageous o'conna. Not one

1547
01:26:03.319 --> 01:26:06.079
of my favorite of the episodes. It's just rather cheesy

1548
01:26:06.159 --> 01:26:10.039
but the part where Joe Piscopo is trying to help

1549
01:26:10.720 --> 01:26:14.920
Data learn about comedy. That was great. And of course

1550
01:26:15.319 --> 01:26:20.119
I remember Joe Piscopo from not the Greatest season of

1551
01:26:20.319 --> 01:26:24.239
Saturday Night Live. But you know we're the memorable. Are

1552
01:26:24.279 --> 01:26:27.199
you from Joysey, I'm from Joys which eggsit ha you

1553
01:26:27.239 --> 01:26:31.920
know type of thing. Anyway, all right, Next, Happy Birthday

1554
01:26:32.000 --> 01:26:35.760
goes out to John cho who's the feature featured actor

1555
01:26:35.800 --> 01:26:40.399
who portrayed Hukaro Sulu in Star Trek, Star Trek Into Darkness,

1556
01:26:40.880 --> 01:26:44.479
and Star Trek Beyond. Choe is best known for his

1557
01:26:44.720 --> 01:26:49.279
roles as John in the American Pie films and as

1558
01:26:49.399 --> 01:26:53.760
Harold in Harold and Kumar Go to White Castle. Oh

1559
01:26:53.920 --> 01:26:58.640
here's one of my favorite. Happy Birthday to the wonderful

1560
01:26:58.800 --> 01:27:03.479
Carol Caine. She's an Emmy Award winning actress who played

1561
01:27:03.720 --> 01:27:07.279
Pellia in the second and third season episode of Star

1562
01:27:07.399 --> 01:27:09.920
Trek Strange New Worlds where she learned We learned she

1563
01:27:10.079 --> 01:27:15.319
was a roadie for The Grateful Dead, wasn't it. Uh? Yeah,

1564
01:27:15.439 --> 01:27:19.039
she is best. Oh yeah, that's right.

1565
01:27:20.359 --> 01:27:22.199
She has a telephone.

1566
01:27:22.359 --> 01:27:24.560
Yes she does, Yes she does, and a weird.

1567
01:27:24.439 --> 01:27:29.439
K didn't she ride in the didn't she ride with

1568
01:27:29.640 --> 01:27:31.239
Doctor Who in.

1569
01:27:38.279 --> 01:27:41.960
Yeah, and I remember her. I first saw her on

1570
01:27:43.159 --> 01:27:47.239
the TV show Taxi and she was the wife of

1571
01:27:47.600 --> 01:27:51.680
Latka Gravas and her character's name was Simca, and then

1572
01:27:51.760 --> 01:27:55.920
later on she is She was on in The Princess

1573
01:27:56.039 --> 01:27:59.800
Bride with the One and Only Billy Crystal. So that

1574
01:28:00.119 --> 01:28:04.920
is great, but we definitely love her as exactly right.

1575
01:28:05.439 --> 01:28:08.720
That was my first scene of her from.

1576
01:28:11.239 --> 01:28:17.520
That's how I never saw that movie. Charles told me, Yeah, yeah, Well.

1577
01:28:17.760 --> 01:28:18.439
What's his name?

1578
01:28:20.359 --> 01:28:20.479
Was it?

1579
01:28:20.600 --> 01:28:24.600
Carrie always was at he was at the Galaxy Cohn

1580
01:28:24.800 --> 01:28:26.760
and I wish I could have met him, but there

1581
01:28:26.800 --> 01:28:29.119
were just so many it's overwhelming when you want to

1582
01:28:29.119 --> 01:28:31.720
meet all these people that you've seen. There's only so

1583
01:28:31.840 --> 01:28:34.720
much time and so much money and all that. But yeah,

1584
01:28:34.760 --> 01:28:38.000
it was a great movie. Now I don't know how

1585
01:28:38.039 --> 01:28:44.720
to pronounce what yes, yes, which of course he was

1586
01:28:44.840 --> 01:28:49.960
in He was the Grand Negus in nine yep. So

1587
01:28:50.119 --> 01:28:52.319
they're Star Trek connections everywhere.

1588
01:28:53.079 --> 01:28:53.199
Uh.

1589
01:28:53.439 --> 01:28:55.640
Next, and I don't know how you pronounced this night

1590
01:28:55.880 --> 01:29:02.520
for the last name Fred that the Pascory. Yes, thank

1591
01:29:02.600 --> 01:29:05.239
you so much. I would love to meet him because

1592
01:29:05.279 --> 01:29:06.720
he seems like an awesome guy.

1593
01:29:07.359 --> 01:29:07.479
Uh.

1594
01:29:07.600 --> 01:29:12.119
He voiced Lieutenant Shacks on Star Trek Lower Decks always

1595
01:29:12.159 --> 01:29:16.319
want to wanting to eject the warp cores in calling

1596
01:29:17.039 --> 01:29:20.840
all his people baby bears, which I just I absolutely.

1597
01:29:20.960 --> 01:29:27.000
I he is the biggest, like most empathetic, like the

1598
01:29:27.279 --> 01:29:28.319
baddest ask.

1599
01:29:28.199 --> 01:29:32.000
Guy on that and having a totally a totally not

1600
01:29:32.199 --> 01:29:38.279
suitable for primetime TV relationship with Doctor Tama. It's like

1601
01:29:38.399 --> 01:29:40.520
you want to get what did she say them?

1602
01:29:40.520 --> 01:29:40.720
Once?

1603
01:29:40.760 --> 01:29:41.319
You want to get to.

1604
01:29:42.840 --> 01:29:43.399
Right, you know?

1605
01:29:44.319 --> 01:29:46.520
Anyway, But yeah, I would love to meet him at

1606
01:29:46.560 --> 01:29:50.039
a con because he just seems, like I've heard he's awesome.

1607
01:29:51.520 --> 01:29:55.840
Next to what was Jack Ransom's uh go to war

1608
01:29:56.439 --> 01:29:59.119
in the final episode of Lower Decks.

1609
01:29:59.239 --> 01:30:02.479
Wasn't it like, uh test the warp core or.

1610
01:30:03.520 --> 01:30:05.840
What Ransom ransoms?

1611
01:30:08.399 --> 01:30:12.800
I don't remember on the bridge and oh.

1612
01:30:12.800 --> 01:30:15.560
He said because he like works out. He's like he's like,

1613
01:30:16.159 --> 01:30:17.079
engage the core.

1614
01:30:17.800 --> 01:30:20.439
Yeah, engage engaged the Yeah.

1615
01:30:21.199 --> 01:30:22.079
It's too funny.

1616
01:30:22.720 --> 01:30:25.399
Yeah, And they're up on They're like, no, no, no,

1617
01:30:25.560 --> 01:30:26.119
we can't say.

1618
01:30:34.079 --> 01:30:39.159
I just remember Mariner's program, would she have a holiday

1619
01:30:39.399 --> 01:30:42.640
or it was a gym program that she was showing

1620
01:30:42.760 --> 01:30:45.760
to uh was it? Tend said, Wow, this is very

1621
01:30:45.840 --> 01:30:48.640
realistic and from the back you see all these naked guys.

1622
01:30:49.880 --> 01:30:53.319
I don't know, because that was hilarious. It's like, oh,

1623
01:30:53.359 --> 01:31:00.359
I think I need to stand back anyway. Yeah, yeah,

1624
01:31:00.359 --> 01:31:05.600
it's like getting to interview Gabrielle Ruiz from that was

1625
01:31:05.720 --> 01:31:10.319
that was awesome. And getting to meet Eugene Cordero at

1626
01:31:10.359 --> 01:31:14.680
the con was great too. All right, so let's get

1627
01:31:14.720 --> 01:31:18.439
back to all right, I digress. Happy birthday to Eve Harlow.

1628
01:31:18.680 --> 01:31:22.199
She's an actress who played Mall in the fifth season

1629
01:31:22.319 --> 01:31:25.560
of Star Trek Discovery. She was born in Moscow to

1630
01:31:25.800 --> 01:31:33.079
a Russian Jewish family. Next, oh, talking about RoboCop. Happy

1631
01:31:33.159 --> 01:31:38.119
birthday to Nancy Allen, American actress whose accolades include a

1632
01:31:38.199 --> 01:31:44.600
Golden Globe Award nomination and three Saturn Award nominations. Gathered

1633
01:31:44.680 --> 01:31:48.199
mainstream fame by playing Anne Lewis and Paul ver Hon's

1634
01:31:48.359 --> 01:31:55.159
RoboCop franchise. Other credits include Holdergeist three, The Philadelphia Experiment,

1635
01:31:55.359 --> 01:32:00.520
and Strange Invaders, and last but not least, somebody who

1636
01:32:00.720 --> 01:32:02.880
I know you all interviewed. I got to meet him

1637
01:32:02.960 --> 01:32:09.279
last September. Lovely, lovely man and very talented musician Tim

1638
01:32:09.640 --> 01:32:13.680
Russ So he played of course Lieutenant Commander Tubac on

1639
01:32:14.039 --> 01:32:19.319
a Voyager. He also directed the Voyager four season episode

1640
01:32:19.359 --> 01:32:24.119
Living Witness, and of course made a memorable appearance in

1641
01:32:24.640 --> 01:32:28.880
the popular sci fi spoof Spaceballs, where he will never

1642
01:32:29.720 --> 01:32:35.640
live down the line, we ain't found shit. So happy

1643
01:32:35.720 --> 01:32:40.359
birthday to the wonderful and talented and very kind Tim Russ.

1644
01:32:41.479 --> 01:32:44.920
All right, who is next? With the flaming birthday candle?

1645
01:32:45.039 --> 01:32:47.600
Who can I hurl that towards Jim? Uncle Jim?

1646
01:32:48.199 --> 01:32:49.640
Well, that would be me.

1647
01:32:50.600 --> 01:32:53.199
I've got a couple here, Okay, I have a few

1648
01:32:53.760 --> 01:32:56.920
we want to start off now. Okay, one question everybody asks,

1649
01:32:57.840 --> 01:32:59.039
who's your first doctor?

1650
01:32:59.439 --> 01:32:59.560
Right?

1651
01:33:00.119 --> 01:33:04.319
Well, I gotta tell you Tom Baker with the scar frogs.

1652
01:33:04.520 --> 01:33:11.239
But but butuckuckuck but lots of butts there. We we

1653
01:33:11.399 --> 01:33:15.399
actually were reviewing Doctor Who. Uh, Eric Charles and myself

1654
01:33:15.479 --> 01:33:19.680
and I had never really seen it until our next

1655
01:33:19.760 --> 01:33:23.840
birthday person took over, Jody Whittaker. She played the thirteenth

1656
01:33:23.920 --> 01:33:26.039
doctor of Doctor Who. She was the first woman to

1657
01:33:26.119 --> 01:33:29.800
portray Doctor Who, and the first time I actually sat

1658
01:33:29.880 --> 01:33:32.399
down and watched Doctor Who. And I gotta tell you, guys,

1659
01:33:33.000 --> 01:33:36.000
there was one episode that I watched I thought was

1660
01:33:36.199 --> 01:33:39.680
just top not awesome, and that was an episode called Rosa.

1661
01:33:40.600 --> 01:33:44.359
And if you guys have not seen that episode, if

1662
01:33:44.399 --> 01:33:46.760
you're not Doctor Who fans, if you didn't like Jody Whittaker,

1663
01:33:46.800 --> 01:33:48.720
if you didn't like a woman is Doctor Who, plush

1664
01:33:48.760 --> 01:33:50.960
all that crap down to toilet and go and watch

1665
01:33:51.159 --> 01:33:54.760
Rosa because it's a phenomenal episode.

1666
01:33:55.199 --> 01:33:59.159
And Eric and Charles tell me that that's not the

1667
01:33:59.239 --> 01:34:03.000
type of story that Doctor Who usually tells, but that

1668
01:34:03.159 --> 01:34:07.000
particular story I found to be very compelling and fascinating.

1669
01:34:07.079 --> 01:34:09.960
And it's too bad that Doctor Who didn't stick with

1670
01:34:10.520 --> 01:34:14.199
more stories along that vein, but please check out Rosa.

1671
01:34:14.439 --> 01:34:19.840
It was awesome. Happy birthday to Jody Whittaker, the next

1672
01:34:19.960 --> 01:34:21.279
one on my list.

1673
01:34:22.079 --> 01:34:24.000
We actually had her on this podcast, so you can

1674
01:34:24.039 --> 01:34:26.079
go to Chuck talkin dot com and you can find

1675
01:34:26.159 --> 01:34:29.720
our interview with her and watch. If she's a fascinating, lovely,

1676
01:34:29.840 --> 01:34:34.159
beautiful woman. You want to say Happy birthday to Robin Curtis.

1677
01:34:34.279 --> 01:34:37.039
She played Savoc and starts her three to search for

1678
01:34:37.119 --> 01:34:40.520
Spot and starts for the Voyage Home, and she played

1679
01:34:40.560 --> 01:34:43.960
Hilaria and the TNG seven season episodes Gambit Part one

1680
01:34:44.399 --> 01:34:48.279
and Gambit Part two, and there she is on the screen.

1681
01:34:48.560 --> 01:34:51.319
You know, you know how I like to think of

1682
01:34:51.520 --> 01:34:53.039
Robin Curtis, Jim.

1683
01:34:54.439 --> 01:34:55.000
That's awesome.

1684
01:34:58.840 --> 01:35:04.279
Well, seems like she she was more genuine than I know.

1685
01:35:04.439 --> 01:35:06.720
That was the breakout role for Kirsty Alley.

1686
01:35:06.840 --> 01:35:12.600
But you know, yeah, yeah, she's off at truck con

1687
01:35:12.800 --> 01:35:16.359
roga quite a bit uniform.

1688
01:35:18.439 --> 01:35:22.840
Nice, She's awesome, She's such I'm gonna okay, I gotta tell.

1689
01:35:22.720 --> 01:35:38.600
A little story. What was the show, right? No, So

1690
01:35:39.800 --> 01:35:41.359
we were doing this convention.

1691
01:35:41.159 --> 01:35:45.880
Down in Schenectady called phantom Fest, and she was scheduled

1692
01:35:46.000 --> 01:35:51.439
to appear at fandom Fest. And I was driving along

1693
01:35:51.520 --> 01:35:53.439
in my car with a friend of mine and my

1694
01:35:53.479 --> 01:35:58.239
phone rings. It's Robin Curtis calling me. We had to

1695
01:35:58.920 --> 01:36:01.439
I was supposed to get in touch there, but unfortunately

1696
01:36:01.520 --> 01:36:03.479
my cousin had passed away. We were on our way

1697
01:36:03.520 --> 01:36:08.920
to a funeral. She called me on my cell phone

1698
01:36:09.199 --> 01:36:13.159
from her cell phone to express her condolences on the

1699
01:36:13.319 --> 01:36:18.279
death of my cousin. That's how awesome she is, and

1700
01:36:19.079 --> 01:36:22.840
I was. I was flabbergasted that she actually took the

1701
01:36:22.920 --> 01:36:27.439
time out of her day to call me about, you know,

1702
01:36:27.640 --> 01:36:30.439
and send her condolences and say she was so sorry.

1703
01:36:30.520 --> 01:36:31.920
And she talked to me for a few minutes on

1704
01:36:31.960 --> 01:36:35.520
the phone about it, and I was like wow the

1705
01:36:35.600 --> 01:36:39.760
phone and I said to my guys, who.

1706
01:36:40.520 --> 01:36:45.720
I'm like, you know stars. He still didn't know who

1707
01:36:45.760 --> 01:36:46.600
she was, but that's.

1708
01:36:50.680 --> 01:36:56.560
She is such an awesome, awesome lady, great individual, and

1709
01:36:57.119 --> 01:36:59.319
she didn't have to take the time to call me y.

1710
01:36:59.520 --> 01:37:03.000
She did that says speaks volumes for the kind of

1711
01:37:03.079 --> 01:37:08.279
person that she is. So Happy birthday to Robin Curtis.

1712
01:37:09.319 --> 01:37:13.960
Ah Right, My last birthday wish is a cleaning and

1713
01:37:14.000 --> 01:37:15.960
I always do the Klaionons, but I don't get one

1714
01:37:16.000 --> 01:37:20.079
of them. So this is why we're getting segment because

1715
01:37:20.079 --> 01:37:23.479
I'd rather give the birthday to my Trek spurts.

1716
01:37:24.159 --> 01:37:28.880
So we want to say happy birthday and to Claire McConnell.

1717
01:37:29.600 --> 01:37:33.279
Claire McConnell is the Canadian actress and comedian who played

1718
01:37:33.359 --> 01:37:36.720
Dennis in Star Trek Discoveries first season episodes Battle at

1719
01:37:36.760 --> 01:37:40.560
the Binary Stars, Lefe and will You Take My Hand?

1720
01:37:41.079 --> 01:37:43.560
She's the she was. She was the Klingon that had

1721
01:37:43.680 --> 01:37:46.800
the uh head piece on. You can see her in

1722
01:37:46.840 --> 01:37:51.119
the pictures here and uh. She she was awesome. So

1723
01:37:51.359 --> 01:37:53.600
Happy birthday to Claire.

1724
01:37:56.880 --> 01:37:57.520
Uh yeah.

1725
01:37:58.359 --> 01:37:59.880
Uh, do you have your muted?

1726
01:38:00.399 --> 01:38:00.560
Uh?

1727
01:38:05.039 --> 01:38:05.880
Your muted Jim.

1728
01:38:08.840 --> 01:38:08.960
Oh.

1729
01:38:09.000 --> 01:38:09.359
There we go.

1730
01:38:11.479 --> 01:38:12.479
For the next segment.

1731
01:38:14.880 --> 01:38:17.960
Because because I don't get a lot of klingons, I

1732
01:38:19.359 --> 01:38:26.199
started doing movie anniversaries in so I'm going to continue

1733
01:38:26.199 --> 01:38:27.760
to do that because it's fun and I like to

1734
01:38:27.800 --> 01:38:30.600
bring up movies that people may have forgotten about scene

1735
01:38:30.640 --> 01:38:31.079
in a while.

1736
01:38:31.920 --> 01:38:34.520
So this is Uncle Jim's movie pick of the week

1737
01:38:34.720 --> 01:38:35.680
or whatever. I don't know.

1738
01:38:36.439 --> 01:38:40.319
But so, but before I get to my movie pick, though,

1739
01:38:40.560 --> 01:38:44.640
I have a couple of memorable of mentions.

1740
01:38:44.760 --> 01:38:48.520
First of all, I have to mention Logan's Run, which.

1741
01:38:48.439 --> 01:38:52.760
Was released on June twenty third, nineteen seventy six, fifty one.

1742
01:38:52.760 --> 01:38:54.279
Years ago Logan's Run hit.

1743
01:38:54.479 --> 01:38:57.560
I also have to give a mention to space Balls,

1744
01:38:57.600 --> 01:38:59.800
which we were just talking about, which was released on

1745
01:39:00.199 --> 01:39:03.600
twenty fourth, nineteen eighty seven, turning thirty nine years old.

1746
01:39:03.720 --> 01:39:05.079
Both memorable movies.

1747
01:39:05.479 --> 01:39:07.720
But I had to pick one, and I went with

1748
01:39:08.079 --> 01:39:12.600
a classic which deserves to be Uncle Jim's movie pick

1749
01:39:12.960 --> 01:39:13.680
of the week.

1750
01:39:13.840 --> 01:39:17.520
And David roll the tape, Well.

1751
01:39:18.279 --> 01:39:22.960
There is a creature alive today has survived millions of

1752
01:39:23.119 --> 01:39:30.119
years of evolution, without change, without passion, and without logic,

1753
01:39:31.439 --> 01:39:32.760
it lives to kill.

1754
01:39:34.600 --> 01:39:36.640
A mindless eating machine.

1755
01:39:38.680 --> 01:39:43.159
It will attack and develour anything.

1756
01:39:44.920 --> 01:39:49.600
It is as if God created the devil gave him

1757
01:39:50.760 --> 01:40:14.039
Jaws from the best selling novel Jaws ratted PG. Maybe

1758
01:40:14.079 --> 01:40:15.960
two intents for younger children.

1759
01:40:17.039 --> 01:40:20.880
Yeah, understatement.

1760
01:40:27.479 --> 01:40:33.720
So Jaws is often considered the first modern summer blockbuster film.

1761
01:40:34.279 --> 01:40:38.000
Jaws was released on June twentieth, nineteen seventy five, and

1762
01:40:38.119 --> 01:40:42.319
became a breakthrough for director Steven Spielberg. With mostly TV

1763
01:40:42.439 --> 01:40:45.039
work under his belt. Spielberg teamed up with Richard d.

1764
01:40:45.239 --> 01:40:45.520
Zene.

1765
01:40:45.880 --> 01:40:49.000
However, many production difficulties on the film stemmed from the

1766
01:40:49.079 --> 01:40:55.520
malfunctioning mechanical Sharks name Bruce Undaunted, Spielberg and the crew

1767
01:40:55.680 --> 01:41:00.680
came up with innovative solutions involving unusual editing and angled

1768
01:41:01.039 --> 01:41:04.960
complete with the odds of with odds, and continue to

1769
01:41:05.039 --> 01:41:09.960
influence films makers to today. Jaws return of the movie

1770
01:41:10.039 --> 01:41:13.920
theater for its fiftieth anniversary around Labor Day weekend of

1771
01:41:14.000 --> 01:41:17.399
twenty twenty five to be celebrated at won three Academy

1772
01:41:17.399 --> 01:41:21.840
Awards at the nineteen seventy six Oscars, and I was

1773
01:41:21.880 --> 01:41:24.199
one of the people I went to see Jaws and

1774
01:41:24.399 --> 01:41:27.119
Imax when it came out last year, did anybody else

1775
01:41:27.159 --> 01:41:27.640
go to see it?

1776
01:41:27.800 --> 01:41:30.319
I couldn't bring myself to see it.

1777
01:41:33.199 --> 01:41:36.680
No, I want to tell you, guys, seeing Jaws and

1778
01:41:36.760 --> 01:41:40.760
an Imax theater, you would never know that this movie

1779
01:41:40.880 --> 01:41:41.680
was fifty years old.

1780
01:41:41.960 --> 01:41:44.199
I'm telling you it was phenomenal.

1781
01:41:44.279 --> 01:41:46.439
In fact, the part where the head pops out of

1782
01:41:46.479 --> 01:41:48.560
the boat, yeah, I jumped out on my seat.

1783
01:41:48.640 --> 01:41:51.720
And I've seen the movie a million times. I knew

1784
01:41:51.760 --> 01:41:52.399
it was coming.

1785
01:41:53.039 --> 01:41:55.600
But I'll tell you what, when you're watching it Imax

1786
01:41:55.680 --> 01:41:58.479
theater and you're just imment, you're just immersed in the movie.

1787
01:41:58.760 --> 01:42:01.800
You're you're just in to the movie, and I'm just

1788
01:42:01.880 --> 01:42:04.039
so into the movie. When that had popped out, I

1789
01:42:04.119 --> 01:42:04.800
actually jumped in.

1790
01:42:05.319 --> 01:42:08.119
I saw. I went to the movie theater to see

1791
01:42:08.239 --> 01:42:10.640
was it Jaws three? It was the three D one

1792
01:42:11.880 --> 01:42:14.720
that was really I was I had never been to

1793
01:42:14.840 --> 01:42:19.000
a three D movie before and so yeah, that one

1794
01:42:19.199 --> 01:42:22.920
was less than less and impressive.

1795
01:42:23.720 --> 01:42:24.840
But was it was it?

1796
01:42:25.000 --> 01:42:25.039
So?

1797
01:42:26.479 --> 01:42:26.680
Yeah?

1798
01:42:27.680 --> 01:42:31.000
Yeah that was jos It had a rubbers and everything.

1799
01:42:31.239 --> 01:42:31.640
It was.

1800
01:42:32.000 --> 01:42:35.319
Yeah, the three D effects were just like I was

1801
01:42:35.439 --> 01:42:36.119
not impressed.

1802
01:42:36.680 --> 01:42:42.319
Yeah, anyway, but the tagline, you guys, remember the tagline

1803
01:42:42.359 --> 01:42:43.439
for the original Jaws.

1804
01:42:45.199 --> 01:42:47.039
You're gonna need yep.

1805
01:42:48.199 --> 01:42:50.479
Well you can't see it, but this middle picture here,

1806
01:42:50.560 --> 01:42:54.000
this is Jaws fifty Imax. The tagline at the bottom,

1807
01:42:54.039 --> 01:42:56.479
because the poster is black and the writing is in red,

1808
01:42:56.880 --> 01:43:00.960
the tagline is You're gonna need a bigger screen. And

1809
01:43:01.720 --> 01:43:04.279
so we went to see the Imax.

1810
01:43:03.960 --> 01:43:08.079
And boy, oh boy, was that move. That's why the

1811
01:43:08.239 --> 01:43:09.079
Jaws is Jaws.

1812
01:43:09.720 --> 01:43:14.520
The cinematography is impeccable, the acting is outstanding, the story

1813
01:43:14.800 --> 01:43:16.840
is just incredible.

1814
01:43:16.880 --> 01:43:18.680
Everything about this it's a masterpiece.

1815
01:43:18.840 --> 01:43:20.520
And I have to I have to say there was

1816
01:43:20.600 --> 01:43:25.520
a nod to Jaws and the malfunctioning Shark. I believe

1817
01:43:25.680 --> 01:43:29.640
in an episode of Bob's Burgers with Wonder Wharf. Is

1818
01:43:29.640 --> 01:43:34.640
anybody a Bob's Burgers fan? And remember do you remember that?

1819
01:43:34.840 --> 01:43:35.159
Doesn'ty?

1820
01:43:35.359 --> 01:43:37.119
Did anybody? Now? Okay? Crickets?

1821
01:43:37.159 --> 01:43:43.279
Okay, all right, you know, having to pick from all

1822
01:43:43.359 --> 01:43:46.640
these great movies, I had to go with Jaws, Okay,

1823
01:43:46.680 --> 01:43:49.399
but I'd be remiss if I didn't mention Spaceballs or

1824
01:43:49.520 --> 01:43:50.159
Logan's Room.

1825
01:43:50.479 --> 01:43:53.640
Jaws masterpiece all the way around.

1826
01:43:54.279 --> 01:43:57.000
And every week I'll I'll pick a movie that that's

1827
01:43:57.039 --> 01:44:00.399
celebrating an anniversary and play a quick earlier and we

1828
01:44:00.439 --> 01:44:01.600
can talk about it briefly.

1829
01:44:01.680 --> 01:44:05.159
You guys want week So anybody else see Jaws at

1830
01:44:05.199 --> 01:44:13.119
the theater? David? I know, David, I was, Uh, I didn't.

1831
01:44:14.279 --> 01:44:14.560
Okay?

1832
01:44:14.640 --> 01:44:20.439
Yeah, all right, well that wraps things up, and now

1833
01:44:20.479 --> 01:44:22.520
we're going to get into some Star Trek news and

1834
01:44:22.600 --> 01:44:23.760
you know what that means.

1835
01:44:25.920 --> 01:44:48.800
On the rootape. I love that video too.

1836
01:44:49.239 --> 01:44:51.680
I just realized I'm doing a girl nod in that.

1837
01:45:05.840 --> 01:45:08.520
All right? Well, long most piece.

1838
01:45:12.760 --> 01:45:16.039
So Eric has our first story and unfortunately it's not

1839
01:45:16.279 --> 01:45:18.439
a Shatner says, well, but we do have a Shatner

1840
01:45:18.479 --> 01:45:19.520
says what for next week?

1841
01:45:20.279 --> 01:45:20.479
Yeah?

1842
01:45:20.520 --> 01:45:20.720
I know.

1843
01:45:20.920 --> 01:45:23.880
This week we have a long lost piece of Star

1844
01:45:24.000 --> 01:45:28.159
Trek history is finally authenticated. That's right, the first model

1845
01:45:28.760 --> 01:45:33.319
of Star Trek's Starship USS Enterprise that was the personal

1846
01:45:33.399 --> 01:45:38.399
property of franchise creator Gene Roddenberry. It's been missing for

1847
01:45:38.560 --> 01:45:42.079
more than forty five years, and it's been positively identified

1848
01:45:42.239 --> 01:45:45.800
as the real deal. The model showed up on eBay

1849
01:45:46.000 --> 01:45:48.680
in twenty twenty three, but the auction was quickly taken

1850
01:45:48.760 --> 01:45:51.399
down when the seller learned that the model might have

1851
01:45:51.560 --> 01:45:55.640
been stolen. During an interview with John Champion and the

1852
01:45:55.800 --> 01:45:59.439
entertainment professional who specializes in pop culture commentary with a

1853
01:45:59.560 --> 01:46:03.920
particular focus on the Star Trek universe. Rod Roddenberry stated

1854
01:46:04.000 --> 01:46:06.439
the three foot long wooden model is the one that

1855
01:46:06.560 --> 01:46:09.640
belonged to his father. The model of the Starship Enterprise

1856
01:46:09.680 --> 01:46:12.239
seventeen oh one was designed and built for the first

1857
01:46:12.279 --> 01:46:15.720
Star Trek Pilot, which aired in nineteen sixty four. Matt

1858
01:46:15.880 --> 01:46:18.359
Jeffries came up with the concept model that featured the

1859
01:46:18.439 --> 01:46:23.079
saucers section, a cylindrical main lower body which we call

1860
01:46:23.199 --> 01:46:26.760
the engineering hole, and the warp nas cells. According to

1861
01:46:27.000 --> 01:46:29.680
Rod Rodenberry, the model was designed to be used as

1862
01:46:29.720 --> 01:46:32.359
a prop for publicity for the very first Star Trek

1863
01:46:32.399 --> 01:46:36.039
Pilot nineteen sixty four and as a guide for the

1864
01:46:36.119 --> 01:46:39.800
development of the eleven foot long model that was used

1865
01:46:39.880 --> 01:46:42.720
in the filming of the show and now resides in

1866
01:46:42.840 --> 01:46:45.960
the Smithsonian, which I have seen and is totally awesome.

1867
01:46:46.399 --> 01:46:50.159
According to an interview with the late Major Roddenberry Barrett

1868
01:46:50.319 --> 01:46:54.199
Rodberry in nineteen seventy eight, Gene loan the model to

1869
01:46:54.359 --> 01:46:57.960
the production company for preliminary work during the filming of

1870
01:46:58.039 --> 01:47:00.479
Star Trek the Motion Picture, but never got it back.

1871
01:47:01.600 --> 01:47:03.920
She was not sure if Gene simply forgot to get

1872
01:47:03.920 --> 01:47:07.119
it back, or if it got lost or if it

1873
01:47:07.279 --> 01:47:11.359
was stolen. Over the decades, there have been numerous stories

1874
01:47:11.359 --> 01:47:13.520
about what happened to the model, which featured a hand

1875
01:47:13.640 --> 01:47:16.760
painted underside and decals on top of the saucers section.

1876
01:47:17.399 --> 01:47:20.199
When the model reappeared on eBay with a starting bit

1877
01:47:20.279 --> 01:47:24.039
of one thousand dollars, multiple news outlets reported that the

1878
01:47:24.119 --> 01:47:28.239
model was allegedly found in a storage unit, but when

1879
01:47:28.279 --> 01:47:30.039
it was learned that the model might have belonged to

1880
01:47:30.119 --> 01:47:33.199
Gene Rodberry and kept without his permission, the auction was

1881
01:47:33.279 --> 01:47:37.119
pulled down. The seller then made contact with rod Rod

1882
01:47:37.199 --> 01:47:40.279
and Marry and made arrangements to return the item to

1883
01:47:40.399 --> 01:47:44.359
the family. According to Roddenberry, Star Trek model makers Don

1884
01:47:44.439 --> 01:47:47.880
Drexler and Gary Kerr, along with Mike and Denise Okuda,

1885
01:47:48.199 --> 01:47:52.479
have inspected the model for authenticity. They have spent decades

1886
01:47:52.560 --> 01:47:55.720
building models and sets for the franchise and have studied

1887
01:47:55.800 --> 01:48:01.279
information gleaned on the design for over the years. Quote

1888
01:48:01.800 --> 01:48:04.600
they matched everything from the grain in the wood to

1889
01:48:04.720 --> 01:48:09.000
the potential rust over time with the stand. Rod Murray said,

1890
01:48:09.079 --> 01:48:11.880
I mean they looked at every detail. They were able

1891
01:48:11.960 --> 01:48:15.079
to tell what had changed what happened when it left off,

1892
01:48:15.800 --> 01:48:20.359
when it left off my father's desk, and we're able

1893
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to more than authenticate it. Rod Murray said there will

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be more clean up and preservation for the model. Then

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he wants to have it displayed someplace where others can

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see it, such as a museum. So that's super cool.

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We have a new piece of found Star Trek lower

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that can accompany that awesome model that's in the Smithsonian. Yeah,

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there you have it.

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Yep.

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We got to interview a lovely lady who oversaw Margaret. Yes, yes,

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that's so cool. Yeah, that was I think this one

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needs to go next to it. I think we're nearby it.

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Yep, and I've got our next story actually as well.

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This is a quick one. This is a short one.

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Paramount plus you and, oh my god, just looking at it,

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Paramount might have been the.

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Ugliest Star Trek thumbnail.

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Okay, if you guys are subscribers, you're looking at this

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picture right now.

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I'm throwing up on my computer just looking. Oh my god.

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Paramount plus looks to have used looks to have used obviously,

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Paramount Looks have used generated AI to whip up a

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thumbnail for Star trek to the Wrath of Colm. The

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01:49:42.720 --> 01:49:45.720
image shows Captain Kirk is played by William Shatton, addressed

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in a business suit. Kirk never gone a business suit

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in The Wrath of com obviously or.

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Any other time.

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It's horrible you get.

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A rock a flannel shirt and jeans wants during a

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visit to the nineteen thirty and he did wear a

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flannel shirt and jeans and starts with five to file

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Frontier's camping scenes at Lee's fan asking why Paramount Plus

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and its little AI buddy decided to plot Starfleet's most

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iconic captain in a button up shirt and tie. We

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don't know exactly what happened, but artist Ryan Estrada has

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an idea. He noted that the actual image of Kirk

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is from The Wrath of con pulled from a scene

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in which the captain is getting a retinal scan to

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access a computer file. It's not a particularly exciting scene,

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and he's wearing a Starfleet uniform. A Strata speculates that

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Paramount Plus got attached to that image of Kirk getting

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the retinal scan and wanted to highlight it further by

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making it a thumbnail. However, the image from the film

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is a close up of shat in his face. So

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generative AI was used to place Kirk's head inside of

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a fake body and put that body in a business suit.

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His hair also looks very fake and weird, as the

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original frame off his forehead.

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Long lived AI slop hurt Hermount owner and David Ellison

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01:51:08.479 --> 01:51:13.119
recently told the NBC that the company is using technology

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to transform every single aspect of this business.

1943
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That is a hundred of things to come. Trek fans

1944
01:51:21.199 --> 01:51:24.239
should likely start knocking up on Blu rays. As a

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01:51:24.319 --> 01:51:27.560
lifelong Starshik fan, it hurts to see the property controlled

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by Monitor and that's just a David David.

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Yeah.

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Sorry, I was going to say, David Ellison, go eat

1949
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a bag of Bord Dicks because you're just an absolute idiot. Okay, damn, that's.

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No, no.

1951
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And who's isn't the guy from the on the right?

1952
01:51:52.439 --> 01:51:55.520
Isn't that that alien? Isn't he from.

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Which was it?

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01:51:57.880 --> 01:51:58.000
Was it?

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Sir?

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Spot? Yeah?

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01:52:04.359 --> 01:52:07.079
Yeah, that's the Star Trek version of Yoda.

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Talking friends.

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Yes, yes, yeah, yeah, Well guys, that pretty much wraps

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up our show.

1961
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I think we'll just we'll have to bump up these.

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I can live with it.

1963
01:52:26.640 --> 01:52:29.079
Yeah, well we'll bump that up the next week and

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wrap things up here. Uh, I don't have a topic

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for next week. We'll be winging it. I don't know.

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We're down.

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Some trivia again, that would be fun.

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Actually, yes we do.

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We do have.

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The trivia is going to be I heard you were

1971
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dead trivia for next week, so that'll be fun.

1972
01:52:52.359 --> 01:52:55.760
Yeah, and uh, we'll have our Star Trek birthdays and

1973
01:52:55.840 --> 01:52:57.640
our fans shoutouts like we usually do. And I do

1974
01:52:57.760 --> 01:52:59.960
have a shout and says what story for Eric next week?

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So that's something to look forward to. And uh, you

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know we'll be back saying bad time saying bat channel guys,

1977
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So don't worry. Head over to Truck Talking and Beyond

1978
01:53:09.159 --> 01:53:12.119
on our Facebook page, think about subscribing, and then you

1979
01:53:12.199 --> 01:53:15.439
can see this wonderful AI picture of Captain character we's

1980
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talked right about, and all these awesome videos that Eric

1981
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pushed together and had for us and host Uncle Jim

1982
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saying please everybody stay safe, be good to each other,

1983
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and live long and prosper ailing frequencies are closed.

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Good night, everybody, good night.

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Else let's fine, yo,