Aug. 7, 2026

Episode 693- Strange New Worlds Exploring the Griffin Incident

Episode 693- Strange New Worlds Exploring the Griffin Incident
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In this episode of Trek Talking and Beyond, host Uncle Jim and his Trek Spurts discuss the latest episode of Strange New Worlds, titled 'The Griffin Incident.' The conversation includes fan shout outs, exciting news from Nisselle, and a recap of the episode, which delves into psychological horror elements. The hosts share their thoughts and reactions, along with fan scores and opinions, highlighting the episode's unique approach to storytelling within the Star Trek universe. In this episode, the panel discusses the latest installment of Star Trek: Strange New Worlds, focusing on its horror elements, character development, and the psychological themes presented. The conversation highlights varying opinions on the episode's quality, with some praising its ambition while others criticize its execution. The discussion also touches on the influence of classic horror films and the inconsistency in storytelling, ultimately leading to a range of ratings from the panelists. In this episode, Uncle Jim shares a personal story about meeting a Star Trek actress, followed by a celebration of various Star Trek birthdays, including Melanie Shatner and Michael Biehn. The conversation shifts to the legacy of iconic female characters in Star Trek, particularly Michelle Yeoh. The hosts discuss the sci-fi film 'The Final Countdown' and its impact. They also delve into the latest news from Star Trek, including the upcoming horror game 'Star Trek Shadow Frontier' and the success of 'Strange New Worlds'. The episode wraps up with reflections on the Marvel universe and a light-hearted conclusion. The hosts introduce themselves and share their current situations. Exciting news about Nisselle's new Star Trek figures and upcoming guests. Overview of the episode's structure and segments. Fan shout outs to listeners from various locations. Discussion of the Star Trek 60th anniversary video and its inclusivity. Cadet training segment highlighting Easter eggs from previous episodes. Recap of 'The Griffin Incident' and its horror elements. Fan reactions and scores reveal mixed feelings about the episode. Trek experts share their opinions and insights on the episode's themes. The conversation touches on canon and character development in Star Trek. Star Trek often explores themes of absentee fatherhood. The psychological aspects of characters can enhance storytelling. Diverse opinions on episode quality reflect personal experiences. Horror elements in Star Trek can be hit or miss. Inconsistencies in writing can detract from viewer engagement. Ambiguity in storytelling can lead to varied interpretations. The influence of classic horror films is evident in the episode. Character development is crucial for audience connection. Production quality can elevate or diminish an episode's impact. Panelists encourage honest ratings based on personal enjoyment. Uncle Jim shares a memorable encounter with a Star Trek actress. Celebrating the birthdays of notable Star Trek figures. Michael Biehn's diverse roles in film and television. The significance of female characters in Star Trek. Michelle Yeoh's contributions to the Star Trek franchise. Discussion of the sci-fi film 'The Final Countdown'. Insights into the latest Star Trek news and updates. Introduction of the horror game 'Star Trek Shadow Frontier'. The success of 'Strange New Worlds' in streaming. Reflections on the Marvel universe and its recent successes.
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Series. Well, good evening, Shroreki's and Trekkers around the globe.

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It it's Thursday, August sixth, twenty twenty six. Welcome to

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Trek Talking and Beyond, Episode six hundred and ninety three.

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I'm your most excellent host, Uncle Jim. And before we

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go too far, I'd like to introduce my awesome trek Spurts.

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And we're gonna go out to Portland and start off

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with our very own David. He's our miracle worker. How

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are you doing tonight, David?

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Right there?

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Pretty high and then pretty good.

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Excellent, And also out in Portland we have our very

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own toy guy Paul. How you doing, to my Paul,

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I'm doing well.

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It's been an interesting week. It's a lot of craziness

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going on. A lot of quite a bit of wildfire

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smoke in the air out of these parts. So it's

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been a little dodgy and hopefully that's coming to an end.

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But some a large part of the state on fire,

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which is not fun. So we're we are hoping that

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things start to calm down and less of that would

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be my hope.

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That would be good. That would for a.

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Little distraction, a little you know, a little uh departure

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from realities.

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It will so, and that's what we're here for. That's

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what we're here for. We also have with us on

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a very own vs. She's out in Virginia.

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How you doing trying not to spontaneously combust outside? You know,

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it's uh just over over this heat and humidity. I'm

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sure like everybody is.

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I I hear that I'm supposed to go out and

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do a twenty minute walk every day for my heart,

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and the doctor said no, with the fire, with the smoke,

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and the fire is up in Canada and the high

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humidity and the heat, he said, nope, stay inside. So

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no walking for me. Today, so I had to stay

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home and watch Start Trek anyways, you know, and we also,

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I know it's it's it's it's terrible, and we have

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with us. Also Charles, Charles is out in Las Vegas.

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How you doing tonight?

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Charles doing good? We're stuck in the middle of the

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heat warning. So what's todd outside and it feels like

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the monsoons are pushing in a little bit. And the

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kids go back to school on Mondays. The staff is

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already back working away, trying to get classrooms ready for

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Hectic, hectic part of time. Huh very hecky. Yeah, of

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course Eric isn't with us, but he will be back

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with us next year. Before we go too farlo, I've

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got some really exciting news. You guys are aware that

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The Cell has a new line of Star Trek figures out.

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Paul was kind enough to review a few of those

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for us a couple of weeks ago. I have been

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trying to get Brian Volkwise from the Cell on the

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podcast for well a while now. Guess what it's happening. Yes,

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his people reached out to me. He's currently at Star

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Trek Las Vegas and Charles's neck of the woods where

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they're going to be on veiling some new stuff. As

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soon as he gets through with that, he's gonna get

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back with me. We're gonna get him on the show.

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So I keep your eyes peeled a Trek Talking and

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beyond on our Facebook page and so you'll know when

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that's gonna be. But I'm looking forward to that, and

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I know Paul's looking forward to that as well.

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So that'll be we eat, do we get free? Do

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we each get a cell toy to be able to

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pulled up?

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And you know, well, you know the best way to

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get stuff from Swag is to never ask for it.

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You know, that's we don't want to. We don't want to.

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You know that's that's a you know, Emily Post would

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say that is the best method of proceeding.

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So well, they were to respond to enthusiasm. They're going

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to make it Uncle Jim action figure. So we'll have

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to see with a big.

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Great so at start trek Las Vegas, they have, like

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the Cells get this thing. They have a gigantic mockup

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of a the Cell Star trek box right with a

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big window in it. And for people who are showing

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up at the show you could go into the box

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and have soar in the mock up.

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So go to.

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Instagram check it out. And then they just announced today

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the Cell they do a lot of partnership stuff, and

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they announced today that there was a I don't know

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this show, but there was a show called The Center

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Seat that is in the past, a big kind of

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Star Trek documentarything. They're going to do The Center Seat

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to that they're helping produce. You know, this is Miselle

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here right with Gates McFadden doing interviewing folks with the

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likes of like Alan Rock, Brent Spiner, Malcolm McDowell, Ronaldy Moore,

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you know, you name it. So it sounds like sixty

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years of Star Trek coming to September eighth on you know,

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Prime video, YouTube, et cetera. So it sounds like that's

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a very yet another exciting thing that the Cell is

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involved in. So hopefully that Brian, I'll be talking to

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us about that too. So very cool.

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Aren't they making a Cylon Raider with cylons inside of it? Too?

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Different company? Yeah, that's not in the Cell. The silons

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are more like four inch figures and that's from a

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factory Tainment I believe it is, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah,

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So they're expanding their footprint into the foreign figurings there,

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so it's really cool. Na Cell's right now really focusing

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on the six seven inches style figures and including the Expanse,

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which I'm really excited for if those are coming out

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hopefully hopefully soon, but gonna be worth the wait for sure.

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So they're very busy. Brian's got a lot of irons

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in the five.

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Well, that's that's something we can ask Brian about when

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he's on the show exactly. So anyways, I wanted to

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start off the show with that, guys, because that's some

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thank you so much. Tonight's show, we're going to be

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talking about Strange New World Season four, episode two, the

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Griffin Incident, and as usual, we have our fans shout outs,

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and that's where we thank fans all around the globe

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just like you for being fans of our podcast. We

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also have our Cadet review with Charles, and that's where

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Charles points you in the direction of episodes that are

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related to the one we're discussing, so you can go

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and check it out for more background information. We have

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our fan reactions and episode scores for this week's episode,

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which is a Griffin incident. And what actors do you

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share a birthday with? You can find out on our

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sci Fi Birthday segment and Uncle Jim's Anniversary Birthday Movie

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Pick of the Week. Each week, I'll pick a movie

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that's celebrating an anniversary. We'll play a trailer from it,

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tell you a little bit about it and hopefully it's

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a movie that you either have not seen or haven't

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seen it in a while, and you can go and

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check it out. And the last, but not least, what's

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going on around the Star Trek universe and our Star

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Trek News section, And The's gonna tell us about Pipe

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Captain Pipe and a Muppet, and David is going to

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tell us about a brand new Star Trek horror game

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that's due to come out, And of course I'm going

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to talk about how the Clippens Scorer is big on

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the streaming network. So that's what's going on, and I

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hope you guys stick around and have some fun with us.

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We're gonna dive right into our fans shout outs right now,

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and usually we start off with Eric, but today we're

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going to start off with the so V take it away,

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all right?

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Well, my first shout out goes to Bobby Lee Caskey

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from Kentucky. So hello and thank you to Bobby Lee.

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Then Tom Veach, who is saying hello to us from

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Iowa's West Coast, USA. I'm quite sure what that is,

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but okay, Next Eric, Laura Frederick who says I am

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from Mereda Yucatan, Mexico. So thank you and hello to

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you Eric. And last but not least, hello and thank

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you to Matt Parkins from Cleveland Heights, Ohio. All right,

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so I'm passing the flaming fan shout out megaphone to Tuture.

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Oh okay, why are we lighting the megaphone on fire? Okay,

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let's welcome Joseph Grubon from Mascatine, Iowa, which is about

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twenty minutes from Riverside, the future place birthplace of James T.

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Kirk Ben a trek fast several times when the kids

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were younger. Welcome Joseph. Welcome Nancy Newsham Groan from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

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Welcome Nancy. From Texas. We got David Hammond. Welcome David.

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Hope you're staying cool over there in Texas. And last

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time my list, Mary Eashley Smith from Mississippi. Welcome Mary.

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I'm going to put the fire out, then pass the

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megaphone over to Paul so he hasn't burnt his fingers.

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Well, Charles appreciate that. Okay, let's go global, shall we?

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I think we should. First of all, let's go over

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to the United Kingdom and say how to eat to

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Diane Williams in Lancaster, Lancashire, England. We love England here

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on Trek, talking and beyond all parts of the United Kingdom,

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all adjacent areas of the United Kingdom as well. There's

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something about that climate that we relate to and there's

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a lot of like minded fans there. So Diane, we

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salute you, my friend, thank you for saying hello, and

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thanks for being a fan. Let's say a big hello.

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Flag proudly displayed to our pal Boris Salvador Sanchez Tapia

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and is hailing from chile Mania. Now you might say, oh,

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is that in the country of Chile. Perhaps, No, that

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is not correct. Chile Mania is actually in phenomenal, gorgeous

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Costa Rica, Provincia de Alajuela to be more precise. But

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it's nice to know that in that gorgeous country where

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I've been lucky enough to spend a little time myself,

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Boris is down there representing the enthusiasm of Star Trek

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and science fiction. So thanks for letting us know you're

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out there, Boris. We love to hear from you and

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from nfan. Moving back over to the continent here New

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thoundon Capital c We're going to say hello to Christian

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Alexander spencent Dale from Norway, Scandinavia in Europe, so phenomenal.

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I'm pretty sure that wayward Trexpert Eric might just be

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in your area right now, Christian. So if you see

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somebody like blundering around and looking lost and you know,

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pressing his face up against the glass of like a

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bookstore and you know leaving, you know, trek talking postcards

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on top of urinals, it could very well be Trexpert Eric.

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you know, Scandinavia proper sure is in Norway right now,

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so we'll deal with you our own way when he returns.

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real quickly. We're going to go to say Prince Asy

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or Ja Simboro, and I really hope I am pronouncing

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that correctly. Prince from the wonderful land of Nigeria, where

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it's great to know that we have Star Trek fans

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as well, amazing that we have folks all over the

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planet united together by their love of a form of

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storytelling that can help us see into the future, perhaps

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avoid the pitfalls we might step into, and maybe step

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into a brighter future together if we only have a

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chance to figure things out and work together. So let's

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go ahead and move on with our birthday regalia. And

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excuse me, birthday regalia, our fan regalia. I'm just jumping

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ahead of myself. I'm putting the cells in front of

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the saucer section here. That is crazy. Who would do

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such a thing? Uncle Jim sent me straight.

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You're on, Jim.

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It's got so many buttons. He doesn't know what he's doing,

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so we can't hear you with your talking. I'm going

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to talk for you. Would you like me to do

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my Uncle jim imorsonation.

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Then I'm I was, I was. I was titulated for

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In the throes of a paralysis.

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That's all right, Old age is moving in quick here. Well,

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thank you, Paul. I'd like to say hello and thank

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you to Jesse Hammer, who was born in Brooklyn, New York,

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and is currently living in Phillisburgh, New Jersey, and sends

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us the American flag. Thank you so much, Jesse. We

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also want to say thank you so much to Andrea Ritter,

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who's in New York City the Big Apple. And thank

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you to Shannon Williams, who's a top fan. Thank you

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so much for being a top fan who's listening to

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us right now. In and last, but not least, we

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want to say hello and thank you to Mark Roberts

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who's listening to us. What could be watching if he's

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a subscriber in Houston, Texas. That, my friends are our

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fan shout outs for this week. If you would like

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have to do is head over to our Facebook page

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Trek Talking and beyond you'll see the livelong and prosper

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into the top of the page. Tell us where you're from,

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Lisa emojis, it gets my attention, Look for heart next

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to your name from yours truly, Uncle Jim, and then

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you will be featured in a fan shout out. All right, guys,

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all these awesome pictures that are currently on the screen

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that only subscribers can see. Okay, we don't have any

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polls this week, but Star Trek San Diego Comic Con

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and Hall h Paramount dropped a sixtieth anniversary Star Trek

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video and I meant to play this last week, but yeah,

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you know, with the blood flow problems I'm having and

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It's a really really good video. And David, do you

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have that queued up?

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Rolling in now?

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We are all explorers, driven to know what's over the horizon.

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Well, I used to say a man could fly, he

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have wings, but he did.

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Extra per aspera to the stars through hardship.

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That's boldly going.

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Are we ready? Number one? Ready?

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Captain?

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For sixty years, Star Trek has carried us beyond imagination,

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to galaxies, out of reach, to the very core of

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what it means to be human.

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Of all the souls I have, an encounts human.

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It began with a bold idea that the future could

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be united.

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Ringing with words like duty and honor.

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Many some emotions are universalnnect us.

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All in quite a profound way.

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We crossed star systems and stood beneath alien skies, meeting

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civilizations that revealed our empathy and our hope, all while

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reminding us how far we still.

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Must go.

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For we know at this very moment, somewhere far beyond oh.

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Those distant stars, in the streaming of ours.

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My mind, in your mind.

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Star Trek has never just been science fiction friendship. It

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is hope realized.

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It's okay alone.

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It is connection across divides. It is proof that imagination

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can shape reality. Your reality.

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I'll thank you, family. The journey will never be risk.

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Is all business.

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That's what the starship is all about. So come aboard

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the future.

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He's weird to make.

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Sure history never forgets the name.

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And wow, wow, wow, quite I got it.

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is that they included Star Trek Prodigy, a show that

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Paramount seems to have flushed down a toilet and totally

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forgotten about. They removed it from their platform. You unless

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you bought a physical copy, you can't watch it, but

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they included it there, which I thought was awesome. They

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also included Scouts Star Trek animated series start for the Academy.

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Every Star Trek was represented in that video, and I

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think that's just so cool. So I wanted to show

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that to you guys last week, but I forgot, so

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I apologize better late than never, I suppose. All right, guys,

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talking about this week's episode, which means Charles is going

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to start us off with our cadet training.

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Thank you, Jim, and cadet training kind of just goes

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through and where can I find Easter eggs? You thinks

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related to this episode to other episodes, and definitely was

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a locked quite a few in this one. Let's start

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off with Discovery. Context is for Kings. That's the episode

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where Lorca's informed by an incident Discovery's censorship to Glenn

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where the entire crew is killed and they have to

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go investigate strange New Worlds terrarium. This is actually the

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first time the division such Division twelve is mentioned in

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the series, as Ortega mentions it as an organization who

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kind of deals with strange phenomenons, ghost.

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Stories and such.

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Voyager, the Haunting of Deck twelve. Thought that kind of

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fitting here start a Trek two the Ratha Kan. Why

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do I bring that episode up? Well, this is where

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we actually see Carol, Marcus and David and we have

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many references to them in this episode. Episode that got

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me reminded in this was Strange New Worlds lots and translation.

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This is the season two episode where after we've lost

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Hammer and Hammer appears almost zombie like to speak to

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a Herah, kind of reminding me of some of the

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makeup I saw in this episode and Discovery season one

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they mentioned Epsilon five where Epsilon Outposts five. It's a

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Starfleet outpost and the Beta Quadrant near the Klingon Federation

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Klingon Federation border, and there were some times issues. I

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think that that station has been taken over more than

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once because of from the Klingon with the Klingons, and

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I went to Google and looked up oh, tell me

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about terror in Star Trek and he had had three

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episodes that it focused on. First episode is the Faw

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from Voyager, the second one is Schisms from TNG and

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the third one is Genesis from TNG, and I think

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definitely part of this reminds me of Genesis, because that's

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the one where we saw Barkley in turning into a

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spider and Worf de evolving and hunting in the corridors.

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We got lots of definite horror and a lot of

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stuff that occurred in this episode. But I think then

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Paul wants to probably just discuss and recap this episode.

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Alrighty Charles, thank you so much. I appreciate that. So

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I'm not gonna go to too much detail. I'll get too

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granular because I think folks are gonna have a lot

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of opinions, so I want to get in there and

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hear from everybody as soon as we can. But briefly,

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this is season four, episode two of the Griffin Incident,

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which Spock Lawn and James T. Kirk board the USS Griffin.

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It's a Constitution class long lost starship that's been missing

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with all hands for nine years, and I just want

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to point out briefly, we did not get to see

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Paul Wesley's Jim Kirk in the premiere episode of this

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season four, so this is our first look at him

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here in this second episode of this season, so good

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to have him back. So the ship has been missing

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all hands very mysteriously for nine years. So the three

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of them being aboard this direalctic vessel to try to

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investigate what's happening. The crew. The ship seems curiously preserved

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and there's something very eerie about it that they pick

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up on right from the get go, and they discover

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these very disturbing ships disturbing ship's logs while they're exploring

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the bridge. So a lot of what this discovery and

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investigation of the ship leads to very quickly our psychological

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terrors and what seemed to be hallucinations. Jim Kirk is

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grappling with a lot of guilt over his son David,

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who of course we later find out about in Marathacon

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as Charles mentioned, and he ends up having some haunting,

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auditory and visual kind of grief induced hallucinations about David.

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Lahan of course, becomes very heavily identified with and potentially

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a lot of subjective reactions here, friends, So if you

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interpret what I say differently, you know, that's for you

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to explain what you think, and hopefully our other trexperts

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can do that as well, but she is really connecting

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with and seemingly possessed by the ghost of this former

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Chief of Security Rose Harper, who we discovered these logs

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from Right and Lawn very quickly seems to be sliding

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into both paranoia, violence, and potentially a break from reality.

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I think it could be argued. So that's what's going

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on with Lawan. Spock, on the other hand, is experiencing

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a very long protected series of nightmarish experiences in Sick

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Bay that grow very quickly surreal, a lot of unsettling

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apparitions of his former fiance to Pring that moved quickly

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into body horror territory, and Captain Pike is testing his

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grip on Vulcan logic. So it's all kinds of craziness

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going on there. What ends up happening, Laan excuse me?

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La pretty much succumbs entirely to her delusion, if that's

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what it is, and stabs Kirk aboard the ship seemingly

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fatally right, Spock manages to ground himself a bit more

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by reciting a Vulcan meditation, and he tries to pull

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back from his own hallucinations. But how can they be

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hallucinations if they're actually creating physical damage to you. I

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found that very unclear. There's a frantic rescue mission by

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the Enterprise to say to the surviving crew members, and

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yet the I think the best way to put it

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in terms of leaving this episode is the true nature

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of this entity or phenomenon or whatever it may be

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aboard the Griffin remains a very ambiguous thing that's never

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really defined. It's an unsolved mystery that they say is

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going to be investigated by the Starfleet's Division twelve.

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That's kind of the X Files vision of the of

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Starfleet as well, that we've never really seen before. I've

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only heard an oblique reference to them in an earlier episode,

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so definitely strange. In the world's first real foray into horror,

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ohes quite a significant dB to other horror motion pictures,

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I would say, and notably for me, I would say

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the biggest one that came to mind was the picture

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from the nineties event Horizon. Kind a very long shadow

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over this episode, but that's just kind of the short

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and long of it to begin with here. I think

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the rather recapping all the minutia, it'll probably more interesting

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if we jump into conversation as much as possible. So

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that's my take on things. I'll let Uncle Jim coordinate

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who speaks next and who's got an opinion, but I'm

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happy to chime in more with my own opinion than

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a numerical grade later. But I'd love to hear from

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everyone else first and their reactions.

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All right, So every week, if you guys go to

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our Facebook page, Truck Talking and Beyond, I asked the

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question I usually posted around eleven o'clock on Friday, and

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I ask you guys right out there that are listening

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our fans what you thought about the episode, And I

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ask you guys to score it one to ten and

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then we'll discuss the episode and we'll see how close

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we come to the fans. So usually Eric does this segment,

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but I'm going to step in for him. They're big

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maccas is to fill, but I'm going to do my

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damn this to fill them. Okay, First off, we have

460
00:30:28.279 --> 00:30:32.240
Steve Ramsey, who says I give it a ten for

461
00:30:32.319 --> 00:30:37.359
well written, directed, produced, and acted, twelve for being so

462
00:30:37.519 --> 00:30:40.440
creepy and triggering that I will probably never go out

463
00:30:40.440 --> 00:30:42.960
of my way to watch it again. I would even

464
00:30:43.039 --> 00:30:45.880
dare say this was on part with Stephen King and

465
00:30:46.160 --> 00:30:51.000
m Night Shaalan for spine tingling, suspense and shock. Thank

466
00:30:51.039 --> 00:30:55.599
you for that, Steve. Next, we have Aaron Bittner who

467
00:30:55.680 --> 00:31:00.519
says this episode was original, memorable, and it kept my

468
00:31:00.720 --> 00:31:05.039
rapt attention from beginning to end. No, it's not classic

469
00:31:05.079 --> 00:31:09.319
Star Trek in the Roddenberry mold, but then again, roden

470
00:31:09.359 --> 00:31:11.799
Berry would be the first to agree that there should

471
00:31:11.799 --> 00:31:15.839
be stuff out there in the universe that's beyond our comprehension,

472
00:31:16.519 --> 00:31:22.160
and Aaron gave it a nine. Matt Klaus gave it

473
00:31:22.200 --> 00:31:26.079
an eight and said it reminded me of Event Horizon.

474
00:31:27.720 --> 00:31:32.079
Jonathan Finley also gave it eight and he said very

475
00:31:32.400 --> 00:31:36.920
event Horizon the so that's two people that compared it

476
00:31:36.960 --> 00:31:42.599
to Event Horizon. Robert Weiner gave it a nine HP

477
00:31:42.839 --> 00:31:47.519
lovecraft worthy horror story with the gross out, no pronouns,

478
00:31:47.559 --> 00:31:50.759
no virtue signaling, just a scary story without a scientific

479
00:31:50.880 --> 00:31:58.359
explanation for why it was great. No pronouns or virtue signaling.

480
00:32:00.039 --> 00:32:05.680
That lost me, but thank you, Robert. We also have

481
00:32:06.240 --> 00:32:09.720
James Young, who's a top fan on our Facebook page.

482
00:32:10.279 --> 00:32:13.960
He gave it an eight. Scary and interesting. Concept would

483
00:32:13.960 --> 00:32:16.920
have been higher with a better resolution or twist at

484
00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:20.440
the end as opposed to just leaving it unknown. Well,

485
00:32:20.599 --> 00:32:24.480
well that's where division twelve would come in, hopefully, James,

486
00:32:24.519 --> 00:32:28.920
thank you for your comment. Kim Noble gave it a nine.

487
00:32:29.519 --> 00:32:35.000
I like where it left the three main characters. John

488
00:32:35.079 --> 00:32:37.799
rum Suckley gave it an eight point five, and there's

489
00:32:37.839 --> 00:32:41.880
those decimals Paul loved so much. Eight point five. Not

490
00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:45.559
my favorite episode, but a solid space horror flick. Definitely

491
00:32:46.000 --> 00:32:51.279
event horizon vibes. There's another one that's three event horizons,

492
00:32:51.279 --> 00:32:53.000
and I'm going to talk about that a little bit

493
00:32:53.000 --> 00:32:56.920
when I talk about the episode as well. Chris Hansen

494
00:32:56.960 --> 00:33:00.000
gave it a ten. One of the best Star Trek episodes.

495
00:33:00.000 --> 00:33:06.519
It was all time superb and terrifying storytelling. Two thumbs up.

496
00:33:08.079 --> 00:33:13.079
Lee Christopher Aultman says, I don't like horror. I wasn't

497
00:33:13.119 --> 00:33:18.160
expecting horror, but that was some legit horror. Also section

498
00:33:18.240 --> 00:33:22.839
twelve to do science regarding paranormal stuff. I actually buy that,

499
00:33:23.039 --> 00:33:27.200
and he gave it an eight. Joshua Fulton gave it

500
00:33:27.200 --> 00:33:31.599
a nine. The event horizon of Star Trek make it

501
00:33:31.680 --> 00:33:34.839
so they we're back on the whole event horizon again.

502
00:33:36.680 --> 00:33:41.480
Stefan Parker a solid nine. I loved it, but I'm

503
00:33:41.519 --> 00:33:45.559
a big fan of Event Horizon, so seeing Star Trek

504
00:33:45.599 --> 00:33:49.400
through something like this was interesting. I'd have given it

505
00:33:49.440 --> 00:33:52.960
a perfect ten if it would have been completely explained,

506
00:33:53.480 --> 00:33:55.599
but I'll just chalk it up to another question for

507
00:33:55.640 --> 00:33:59.119
the franchise and try to enjoy what little Star Trek

508
00:33:59.240 --> 00:34:05.880
remains on the small screen. Thank you, Stefan. Vicky Mitchell

509
00:34:06.000 --> 00:34:09.199
said it was definitely intense and so I give it

510
00:34:09.239 --> 00:34:14.960
a nine. Henry Hernandez said, on the scale of one

511
00:34:14.960 --> 00:34:17.880
to ten, I give it a ten. It felt like

512
00:34:17.920 --> 00:34:21.320
the shining in space. It was cool how the episode

513
00:34:21.360 --> 00:34:25.719
explored the character's deepest fears. I'm with you, Henry, and

514
00:34:25.840 --> 00:34:28.440
that's a topic I'm going to discuss when I talk

515
00:34:28.480 --> 00:34:32.960
about the episode. We also have Jennifer sin Siba who

516
00:34:33.039 --> 00:34:36.239
gave it a two. Trek is supposed to be hopeful

517
00:34:36.280 --> 00:34:40.800
and optimistic watching people self mutilate because of some zombie ghosts,

518
00:34:40.920 --> 00:34:45.039
ain't it. Thank you so much, Jennifer. And the last

519
00:34:45.159 --> 00:34:48.719
we have Debbie McLaughlin who gave it a five. Too

520
00:34:48.800 --> 00:34:52.679
scary for me. I don't like or what the acting

521
00:34:53.360 --> 00:34:56.159
was good. When you add that all up and average

522
00:34:56.199 --> 00:35:00.199
it out. Our Facebook fans gave it a score oh

523
00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:04.719
eight point three, so that is where the fans stand.

524
00:35:05.000 --> 00:35:08.840
Let's see where the truck spirts stand on this one,

525
00:35:09.239 --> 00:35:12.400
and I guess we'll start off with you, Charles.

526
00:35:16.559 --> 00:35:20.079
Okay, they grabbed my notes. I definitely had to grab

527
00:35:20.159 --> 00:35:27.840
some notes on this one in the beginning. Definitely Leon

528
00:35:28.880 --> 00:35:33.679
distracted at the retreat. According to Spock, does this tie

529
00:35:33.719 --> 00:35:35.039
into the last episode?

530
00:35:36.280 --> 00:35:37.519
By what happened? There?

531
00:35:40.280 --> 00:35:45.000
Anyblody who plays RPGs, I think I'll understand this one.

532
00:35:45.280 --> 00:35:52.440
This will comment RPG rule, don't split the party. You

533
00:35:52.519 --> 00:35:56.719
split the party up and something happens to something happens

534
00:35:56.719 --> 00:36:03.679
to the two different groups. I definitely had a question

535
00:36:03.880 --> 00:36:10.920
of illusion when the boarding party showed up. I definitely

536
00:36:11.280 --> 00:36:14.119
was questioning immediately, kind of right off. It's like, I'm

537
00:36:14.199 --> 00:36:17.400
not sure if this crew was real. They didn't seem

538
00:36:17.519 --> 00:36:24.079
quite a little more wooden than I expected them to,

539
00:36:24.199 --> 00:36:35.760
which I think actually fit into the episode foreshadowing Spock's

540
00:36:35.800 --> 00:36:44.519
brother talks about let's see someone mentions about Kirk's death,

541
00:36:45.280 --> 00:36:52.639
Kirk dying alone in space, and then we had someone

542
00:36:52.719 --> 00:36:59.800
mentioning of David dying to the blade of someone's knife.

543
00:37:00.199 --> 00:37:06.880
H I'm curious in this episode are we going to

544
00:37:06.960 --> 00:37:12.239
see foreshadowing? Are we going to see the effects of

545
00:37:12.320 --> 00:37:18.679
what happened with let's say, Spock in Sick Bay, or

546
00:37:18.719 --> 00:37:24.480
how Kirk, how Kirk is worried about his brother. Definitely,

547
00:37:24.559 --> 00:37:30.760
I'm wondering will we see more of this in more more?

548
00:37:31.639 --> 00:37:34.880
Are we going to see discussion of what happened this

549
00:37:35.000 --> 00:37:44.679
episode in further episodes? And I think as Paul mentioned,

550
00:37:44.719 --> 00:37:56.840
aberrations in there. Yeah, they definitely were interesting illusions. But yet,

551
00:37:57.039 --> 00:37:58.519
how was Spock.

552
00:37:59.800 --> 00:37:59.880
In?

553
00:38:00.159 --> 00:38:09.400
How did Spock had his ears cut? How did Leon

554
00:38:09.719 --> 00:38:13.400
end up with the blade in her knife? If the

555
00:38:13.440 --> 00:38:20.360
illusion really wasn't there? So definitely a lot of questions

556
00:38:20.480 --> 00:38:23.440
this was the illusions, but some of the illusions were

557
00:38:23.519 --> 00:38:30.559
rather real. And definitely how the boarding crew showed up

558
00:38:31.639 --> 00:38:36.280
and how they end up reacting and most of them

559
00:38:36.360 --> 00:38:41.519
dying on that ship. This was definitely to me a

560
00:38:41.559 --> 00:38:47.920
real thinking episode, a little psychological view which I thought

561
00:38:47.960 --> 00:38:54.920
was interesting. And I'm going to give this one an

562
00:38:54.920 --> 00:38:58.400
eight point five. I think they did good well with

563
00:38:58.440 --> 00:39:00.480
the episode. They could have done a little better with it,

564
00:39:00.559 --> 00:39:02.480
but I still enjoyed the episode.

565
00:39:05.000 --> 00:39:07.960
All right. There we go eight point five from Charles

566
00:39:08.559 --> 00:39:12.119
down to David. What did you think, David wake up?

567
00:39:13.639 --> 00:39:18.239
M uh well, most of everybody knows. I do not

568
00:39:18.400 --> 00:39:21.000
like a who I'm gonna read at all. This to

569
00:39:21.119 --> 00:39:25.760
me wasn't a whole lot of horror in my opinion,

570
00:39:25.880 --> 00:39:31.360
This to me felt very It felt like a dragged

571
00:39:31.400 --> 00:39:34.679
on to me for some reason. I mean, you see

572
00:39:34.760 --> 00:39:38.199
people going through the horrors of their fears, so but

573
00:39:38.920 --> 00:39:42.159
it's almost as if it just they kept coming up

574
00:39:42.199 --> 00:39:47.480
with like new ways to have a new fear, and

575
00:39:47.559 --> 00:39:51.320
it just seems like, you know, especially with Fock, I mean,

576
00:39:51.320 --> 00:39:54.159
he went through like multiple different fears, and of course

577
00:39:54.679 --> 00:39:57.400
that could be reminitions of him being half human and

578
00:39:57.440 --> 00:39:59.880
half aul Can. I guess maybe volcan humans have different

579
00:40:00.360 --> 00:40:05.679
who knows, But like that picture here, I mean, I

580
00:40:05.679 --> 00:40:10.639
don't know. This episode kind of made me boyed. To

581
00:40:10.679 --> 00:40:13.599
be honest, it wasn't really all that scared to me,

582
00:40:13.679 --> 00:40:16.239
but it just there was some disturbing parts. Sure, yeah,

583
00:40:16.360 --> 00:40:19.920
but I mean, I don't know, it just it didn't

584
00:40:19.960 --> 00:40:23.639
click for me. There was one thing though, I did

585
00:40:23.760 --> 00:40:30.679
want to add because I can't remember and I forgot

586
00:40:30.719 --> 00:40:35.519
to actually watch first block the movie, but I was

587
00:40:35.599 --> 00:40:38.079
under the impression that Cook never knew he had a son,

588
00:40:39.400 --> 00:40:41.480
and I was under the impression that when he found

589
00:40:41.519 --> 00:40:46.559
out that he had a son, he didn't know. I mean,

590
00:40:46.599 --> 00:40:48.039
so how did he know that he had a son?

591
00:40:48.159 --> 00:40:48.360
Here?

592
00:40:48.480 --> 00:40:50.079
I mean, it was a little bit of a contradiction

593
00:40:50.159 --> 00:40:52.880
to me. But unless somebody.

594
00:40:52.679 --> 00:40:54.800
Else to that, man, if it helps clear it up,

595
00:40:55.280 --> 00:40:58.039
fare go ahead, just just briefly, if you go back

596
00:40:58.039 --> 00:40:59.679
and I had the same thing at first where I

597
00:40:59.719 --> 00:41:02.239
was very confused. I went and looked at the script

598
00:41:02.280 --> 00:41:08.559
for Ratha con Right and basically, uh, you know, it

599
00:41:09.000 --> 00:41:11.679
is telling you that Kirk was never around. And one

600
00:41:11.679 --> 00:41:14.920
of the lines that Kirk has is to Carol Marcus

601
00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:17.440
is I did what you wanted. I stayed away. Why

602
00:41:17.480 --> 00:41:18.960
didn't you tell him?

603
00:41:19.599 --> 00:41:19.800
Right?

604
00:41:19.960 --> 00:41:23.840
So, Kirk knew he had a son, but David didn't

605
00:41:23.840 --> 00:41:28.639
know he had the Kirk with his dad. Okay, that's

606
00:41:28.679 --> 00:41:30.400
what That's what I get from that. Gim do you.

607
00:41:30.400 --> 00:41:36.000
Concur absolutely, I've been having this conversation on our Facebook

608
00:41:36.039 --> 00:41:39.599
page with all of the cannon flushers that are not

609
00:41:39.599 --> 00:41:49.840
going to watch in the world. It was never stated,

610
00:41:50.440 --> 00:41:55.360
Kirk never said ever that he wasn't aware of David and.

611
00:41:57.719 --> 00:42:00.000
I loved that than Rathacn. That was always really realistic,

612
00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:02.360
right this, this whole thing is it's like they gave

613
00:42:02.480 --> 00:42:04.920
enough credit to the audience just from that line to go,

614
00:42:05.000 --> 00:42:06.599
you know, hey, I did what you wanted. You know,

615
00:42:06.920 --> 00:42:08.639
I stayed away. I mean that tells you everything you

616
00:42:08.679 --> 00:42:10.519
need to know. But I was just like you, David.

617
00:42:10.519 --> 00:42:12.719
I was confused by that, and I wanted to because

618
00:42:12.719 --> 00:42:14.360
it's been a while since I've watched her at the

619
00:42:14.400 --> 00:42:16.360
con so I wanted to look that up. But yeah,

620
00:42:16.360 --> 00:42:18.119
I don't think they broke cannon or nothing.

621
00:42:18.159 --> 00:42:23.519
I think I want to add something here, which I

622
00:42:23.599 --> 00:42:25.559
was going to mention in my review, but this is

623
00:42:25.559 --> 00:42:28.760
a perfect segue for it. They set up the Wrath

624
00:42:28.760 --> 00:42:31.960
to Cohn perfectly at the end of the episode, when

625
00:42:32.000 --> 00:42:36.280
the Horror sets up the subspace relay for Kirk to

626
00:42:36.400 --> 00:42:39.920
talk to Carol because he's concerned about David. He sends

627
00:42:40.000 --> 00:42:44.719
her the message and Carol doesn't respond, and that right

628
00:42:44.760 --> 00:42:47.599
there sets up the Wrath of Khan where he doesn't

629
00:42:48.039 --> 00:42:51.920
hasn't seen David and stays away because Carol refused to

630
00:42:52.400 --> 00:42:54.679
answer him. That's that's the way I took that ending.

631
00:42:55.920 --> 00:42:58.000
But I didn't actually put those together for some minute.

632
00:42:58.039 --> 00:43:00.239
I kind of forgot about the old movie for a

633
00:43:00.280 --> 00:43:04.440
while and I meant to watch him. But yeah, so okay,

634
00:43:04.519 --> 00:43:08.000
so that cleared that up. Cool in that case. Other

635
00:43:08.079 --> 00:43:12.199
than that, yeah, it just dragged on. That's all I'm

636
00:43:12.199 --> 00:43:14.360
pretty much gonna say about it. I did like the

637
00:43:14.400 --> 00:43:17.119
picture of the n X clash in that quarters, and

638
00:43:17.159 --> 00:43:21.480
there's that picture that Jim we're talking about. But yeah,

639
00:43:21.599 --> 00:43:26.440
other than that, I don't know very boying I found it.

640
00:43:27.960 --> 00:43:30.039
I don't know. I'm trying to give a score. I

641
00:43:30.079 --> 00:43:31.519
don't want to give it a too low of a score,

642
00:43:31.519 --> 00:43:34.039
but I'm probably gonna have to. I might have to

643
00:43:34.079 --> 00:43:40.199
agree with Jennifer on this. Going around zombies isn't really

644
00:43:40.280 --> 00:43:42.440
the weight of the future, So to me, I'm thinking

645
00:43:42.519 --> 00:43:45.960
this is probably gonna be a three on my end.

646
00:43:47.440 --> 00:43:48.840
I didn't really enjoy it all that much.

647
00:43:50.239 --> 00:43:53.239
Okay, we got a three from David. How about you,

648
00:43:53.360 --> 00:43:54.360
V let's jump up there.

649
00:43:56.119 --> 00:43:58.719
Well, I I'm glad you cleared up the thing about

650
00:43:58.800 --> 00:44:03.079
David because I didn't quite understand that either. Then I

651
00:44:03.159 --> 00:44:06.280
you mentioned you know, and now I remember you know.

652
00:44:06.320 --> 00:44:11.920
When he encounters Carol and David in Wrath of Khan

653
00:44:12.360 --> 00:44:15.639
and so that makes a whole lot of sense. I

654
00:44:15.719 --> 00:44:18.280
just think, you know, Star Trek is great for having

655
00:44:18.320 --> 00:44:24.960
absentee dads because there too, you know, was Kirk and

656
00:44:25.039 --> 00:44:26.199
Wharf and you.

657
00:44:26.159 --> 00:44:26.840
Know, just all that.

658
00:44:27.079 --> 00:44:32.280
But anyway, I just I don't know, I just I

659
00:44:32.320 --> 00:44:35.000
it's just been kind of a week for me, just

660
00:44:35.320 --> 00:44:39.960
you know, in real life. But it was I just

661
00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:42.960
found that I just didn't have the brain power to

662
00:44:43.280 --> 00:44:44.239
follow it.

663
00:44:44.400 --> 00:44:44.920
So I was.

664
00:44:46.679 --> 00:44:50.880
Kind of confused what was real what was imaginary? Then

665
00:44:50.920 --> 00:44:53.000
I sort of went off on a drift singing what

666
00:44:53.199 --> 00:44:56.639
if I were on that ship? What would be haunting me?

667
00:44:56.800 --> 00:44:58.800
And then that just sent me up down a whole

668
00:44:58.840 --> 00:45:05.239
nother rabbit hole oh something, And I forgot where I

669
00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:06.719
saw it, and I got to look it up again.

670
00:45:07.519 --> 00:45:12.199
Nobody's mentioned that little that little robot that uh was it?

671
00:45:12.360 --> 00:45:15.320
Kirka picked up off the floor. Where did that come from?

672
00:45:15.360 --> 00:45:18.679
And what was his story? You know? That will look

673
00:45:18.760 --> 00:45:23.039
like a little retro robot? Do you remember that? We'll

674
00:45:23.079 --> 00:45:23.599
wind up?

675
00:45:26.880 --> 00:45:30.760
Are you asking that little figure was in the that's

676
00:45:31.280 --> 00:45:32.920
that little figure was on board that?

677
00:45:35.159 --> 00:45:35.400
Yeah?

678
00:45:36.880 --> 00:45:43.320
Okay, Yeah. Then Sam was talking about how he had

679
00:45:43.320 --> 00:45:45.840
a whole box full of stuff which reminded me of

680
00:45:46.360 --> 00:45:49.920
the Voyager episode, which was like, truly, you know that

681
00:45:50.079 --> 00:45:53.480
was the friendship one where they have that little toy

682
00:45:53.599 --> 00:45:58.400
that plays some music. But I don't know, I didn't

683
00:45:58.440 --> 00:46:01.960
really have a whole lot to say. So it was scary,

684
00:46:02.000 --> 00:46:06.880
it was dark. I think that la On is uh

685
00:46:06.920 --> 00:46:09.039
with with her because I didn't know did she really

686
00:46:09.039 --> 00:46:14.719
stab Kirk? Didn't She turns out she did, And because

687
00:46:14.760 --> 00:46:18.199
we explored with the last episode how she you know,

688
00:46:18.360 --> 00:46:24.599
infamously punched the dinosaur, So I guess she's grappling with

689
00:46:24.639 --> 00:46:28.320
that that part of her that, you know, con side

690
00:46:28.320 --> 00:46:32.559
of her that might be coming out. But overall, I

691
00:46:33.000 --> 00:46:35.360
just won't I won't babble on. I'll just leave it

692
00:46:35.400 --> 00:46:42.320
to uh, to the rest of you. But it seems

693
00:46:42.320 --> 00:46:46.079
like the most most people were I really enjoyed it,

694
00:46:46.119 --> 00:46:50.239
So I'm not gonna drag down the score. I'll just uh,

695
00:46:50.360 --> 00:46:52.400
maybe at another time when I'm in a better frame

696
00:46:52.440 --> 00:46:57.320
of mind, I'll watch it. I think for it's production

697
00:46:57.519 --> 00:47:02.079
value and the acting, I'll give it an eighth.

698
00:47:02.760 --> 00:47:05.239
Wait an eight from me? So wait, wait, you're you're

699
00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:06.880
saying that we're just babbling.

700
00:47:07.079 --> 00:47:10.559
No no, no, I said, no, no, no, I said, no, no, no,

701
00:47:10.679 --> 00:47:13.239
I said, I don't want to. I want you all

702
00:47:13.320 --> 00:47:17.159
to have something worth saying when I'm just going to

703
00:47:17.239 --> 00:47:19.280
be talking and not really saying a whole lot, and

704
00:47:19.320 --> 00:47:22.360
I want to save it for those that do actually

705
00:47:22.480 --> 00:47:24.960
have more to say. That's what I'm mean.

706
00:47:25.400 --> 00:47:27.519
I just hope you're not giving it a higher score

707
00:47:27.559 --> 00:47:30.239
than you really feel. If you genuinely didn't care for it,

708
00:47:30.480 --> 00:47:33.159
don't feel obligated to it. You know, if you want

709
00:47:33.159 --> 00:47:34.880
to lower it down, you should feel you can lower

710
00:47:34.920 --> 00:47:36.920
it down. I don't. I mean I will be lowering it.

711
00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:42.440
I mean the psychological part of it was, you know,

712
00:47:43.000 --> 00:47:45.079
Like I said, I just I just couldn't keep track

713
00:47:45.119 --> 00:47:47.760
of it. But I just I cannot judge it. I

714
00:47:47.760 --> 00:47:50.400
can't give it a low score for just watching it once.

715
00:47:51.880 --> 00:47:54.920
Tell us I'll leave it at an eight and I

716
00:47:54.920 --> 00:48:00.760
will watch it again. And just be clear, Just to

717
00:48:00.800 --> 00:48:03.280
be clear, I'm not saying that you all are babbling.

718
00:48:03.440 --> 00:48:06.239
I don't want to babble. I want to let other

719
00:48:06.360 --> 00:48:12.519
people say more things that are more worthy of the segment.

720
00:48:12.679 --> 00:48:13.519
So there you go.

721
00:48:14.559 --> 00:48:16.760
These Sometimes we need to be told that we are battling.

722
00:48:16.800 --> 00:48:21.400
I think that that's a valuable service from Babylon. Don't

723
00:48:21.440 --> 00:48:23.360
hold back, Yeah, don't hold back?

724
00:48:25.280 --> 00:48:25.840
Do I have to?

725
00:48:25.920 --> 00:48:26.960
I have to give you a guy?

726
00:48:27.079 --> 00:48:28.559
Not sure?

727
00:48:34.039 --> 00:48:36.960
All right, so Paul take it away. The microphone belongs

728
00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:37.280
to you.

729
00:48:37.880 --> 00:48:41.000
Okay, friends, all right, I'm really glad that Stranger in

730
00:48:41.039 --> 00:48:43.719
the Worlds is back. Premiere episode was last week. I'm

731
00:48:43.719 --> 00:48:46.400
pretty sure I gave that a ten, you know, just

732
00:48:46.440 --> 00:48:50.199
a quality of writing, quality performances, just a phenomen This

733
00:48:50.320 --> 00:48:53.199
felt like a huge step backwards for me. I did

734
00:48:53.199 --> 00:48:56.760
not care for this episode at all. I am actually

735
00:48:56.760 --> 00:48:59.719
a huge lover of horror when it is done well right,

736
00:48:59.760 --> 00:49:02.480
and you know, there's a lot of bad horror out there, right,

737
00:49:02.719 --> 00:49:07.360
this episode prove and when it's really good and well executed,

738
00:49:07.480 --> 00:49:09.719
it's great. But a lot of times what people will

739
00:49:09.760 --> 00:49:11.119
do is they want to I want to do a

740
00:49:11.119 --> 00:49:14.480
horror thing, right, and they just shamelessly cobble from the

741
00:49:14.519 --> 00:49:18.239
work of other people. Right. It's almost like literary AI, right,

742
00:49:18.360 --> 00:49:21.320
And I really felt this episode was just shameless to

743
00:49:21.400 --> 00:49:27.199
that degree. Lifted a ton of just super trophy cliches

744
00:49:27.360 --> 00:49:31.119
from many, many, many other horror movies, from David Cronberg,

745
00:49:31.679 --> 00:49:36.719
from The Shining and Super liberally from that picture we

746
00:49:36.760 --> 00:49:40.840
talked about earlier event Horizon as well, which has Jason

747
00:49:40.840 --> 00:49:43.760
Isaacson and Captain Lorca incidentally, so just to make a

748
00:49:43.760 --> 00:49:46.159
little connection there in addition to everyone else on there

749
00:49:46.199 --> 00:49:51.239
and the late Sam Neil really graphic, very lovecrafty and

750
00:49:51.280 --> 00:49:54.119
horror film, right, and this was sort of their attempt

751
00:49:54.199 --> 00:49:56.960
to like distill all that stuff together and in a

752
00:49:57.079 --> 00:50:00.599
very unoriginal way. And you know, there's some stories that

753
00:50:00.639 --> 00:50:02.280
have been out there, right, not everything's going to be

754
00:50:02.280 --> 00:50:04.760
an original breakthrough. The a brilliant piece of writing, right,

755
00:50:05.079 --> 00:50:08.440
But I think what troubled me with this movie, with

756
00:50:08.519 --> 00:50:12.360
this episode was how preposterously inconsistent it was. Right, I

757
00:50:12.360 --> 00:50:15.079
don't need to have everything explained to me, right, A

758
00:50:15.079 --> 00:50:19.000
little ambiguity is fine, Right, mystery is good. Let the

759
00:50:19.360 --> 00:50:22.039
viewer have to think for themselves. I have no problem

760
00:50:22.320 --> 00:50:27.119
with that, Right, that's fine. But the rules of the

761
00:50:27.199 --> 00:50:29.320
episode are based on what you get to see in

762
00:50:29.360 --> 00:50:31.840
the episode, right, And for me, I just thought this

763
00:50:31.920 --> 00:50:36.519
episode was wildly inconsistent. And at one moment everything appears

764
00:50:36.559 --> 00:50:39.400
to be a hallucination or a mirage or whatever it

765
00:50:39.440 --> 00:50:41.679
may be. At the other moment, though, people are being

766
00:50:42.559 --> 00:50:46.320
physically injured and things are happening physically that shouldn't be

767
00:50:46.360 --> 00:50:49.119
able to happen given the laws of physics and the

768
00:50:49.360 --> 00:50:51.239
narrative laws of what we've seen in front of us.

769
00:50:51.880 --> 00:50:55.320
So to me, just really poor writing on this episode.

770
00:50:55.320 --> 00:50:57.039
I think somebody really wanted to do a horror movie

771
00:50:57.119 --> 00:50:59.280
episode and they got all fired up about it, and

772
00:50:59.320 --> 00:51:02.440
they there's certain touchdowns they wanted to make sure to include.

773
00:51:02.559 --> 00:51:04.719
And I felt bad for the actors because the actors

774
00:51:04.760 --> 00:51:08.400
were gainly doing their best, you know, trying to resonate

775
00:51:08.440 --> 00:51:12.599
and depict their emotions and depict their characters fears and

776
00:51:12.639 --> 00:51:16.239
things like that. But I just, you know, I judge

777
00:51:16.280 --> 00:51:18.559
every one of these episodes based on all the other

778
00:51:18.599 --> 00:51:22.360
episodes that have come before, right, so you know, I

779
00:51:22.440 --> 00:51:24.360
in terms of the whole what have I seen throughout

780
00:51:24.360 --> 00:51:26.599
all the seasons of strange in the worlds, Right, And

781
00:51:26.840 --> 00:51:28.800
that's where I draw my baseline. That's why my last

782
00:51:28.800 --> 00:51:31.880
week deserved a tent Right. But this was not a

783
00:51:31.880 --> 00:51:37.599
good episode, and it was very inconsistent, very lazily done.

784
00:51:39.039 --> 00:51:41.400
Not really blaming the actors here. It's not their fault.

785
00:51:41.440 --> 00:51:43.239
They did the best job they could, right, They were

786
00:51:43.239 --> 00:51:45.280
trying really hard. It's great set Paul wesnon't back. I

787
00:51:45.280 --> 00:51:48.719
really like what he's doing. But and I have this

788
00:51:48.880 --> 00:51:51.199
terrible feeling we're going to get more of this later

789
00:51:51.239 --> 00:51:53.360
on in this season, because they had a thing like

790
00:51:53.400 --> 00:51:56.239
that last season that they ended up coming back in

791
00:51:56.320 --> 00:51:58.559
the finale, right where we ended up finding out that

792
00:51:59.719 --> 00:52:03.079
Pike you know, girlfriend slash fiance was really going to

793
00:52:03.159 --> 00:52:06.599
be spirited off to become kind of a god guardian person, right,

794
00:52:06.840 --> 00:52:09.440
and that had been all set up previously, and you know,

795
00:52:09.599 --> 00:52:13.559
and again another kind of ambiguous part one earlier in

796
00:52:13.599 --> 00:52:15.440
the in the season, and I think we're going to

797
00:52:15.519 --> 00:52:17.519
get something like that here too, where we finally find

798
00:52:17.559 --> 00:52:21.360
out who the mysterious that doll faced girl is, right

799
00:52:21.760 --> 00:52:29.559
the ghostly you know, interdimensional you know, senior executive officer

800
00:52:29.639 --> 00:52:32.000
or whatever the hell you was. So I found it

801
00:52:32.039 --> 00:52:35.199
really an annoying episode, not start Trek at its best

802
00:52:35.199 --> 00:52:37.239
at all. If you're able to find this to be

803
00:52:37.280 --> 00:52:39.599
an eight, nine and ten, God love you, you know. I'm

804
00:52:39.639 --> 00:52:42.119
super glad you were able to enjoy it. I just

805
00:52:42.199 --> 00:52:44.000
was not a person that could. I don't want to

806
00:52:44.000 --> 00:52:45.559
take away from anyone else, but for me, this is

807
00:52:45.599 --> 00:52:49.800
an embarrassing four And I think they should you know,

808
00:52:50.639 --> 00:52:54.639
do better? Gang, write better? This is bad writing, This

809
00:52:54.800 --> 00:52:58.400
is not good storytelling. Drove me up the wall. So

810
00:52:58.440 --> 00:53:06.880
a four from me, did we lose Jim? I don't know.

811
00:53:06.880 --> 00:53:08.159
I see you from.

812
00:53:09.880 --> 00:53:13.880
Actually actually, oh that is I just not have been

813
00:53:14.039 --> 00:53:16.360
I have not been able to collect my thoughts very

814
00:53:16.400 --> 00:53:19.039
well these last couple of weeks. But the way, you

815
00:53:19.119 --> 00:53:22.199
know what, the way you said it, they just resonated

816
00:53:22.280 --> 00:53:25.119
with me, and it's like, you're, You're absolutely right. I

817
00:53:25.159 --> 00:53:27.880
was just trying to be a little more positive. But yeah,

818
00:53:27.960 --> 00:53:30.719
I just you you you put it perfectly.

819
00:53:30.760 --> 00:53:34.400
I think, do you want to revise your score?

820
00:53:34.559 --> 00:53:36.800
I'm going to give it a let me drop it

821
00:53:36.880 --> 00:53:39.840
down to a six. How about that?

822
00:53:40.880 --> 00:53:51.320
Okay, want to go lower because I never received that toy.

823
00:53:52.360 --> 00:54:00.480
Yeah it is, Yeah, it just was, you're because I

824
00:54:00.559 --> 00:54:02.639
was just I was I was just talking it up

825
00:54:02.679 --> 00:54:06.039
to my brain just didn't compute. And it's like, turns

826
00:54:06.039 --> 00:54:09.159
out there was nothing to compute. I didn't realize that

827
00:54:09.280 --> 00:54:13.239
until you just put it so distinctly, Paul. So thank

828
00:54:13.280 --> 00:54:13.639
you for that.

829
00:54:14.280 --> 00:54:16.239
Oh, thank you. I'm very kind of you, you know,

830
00:54:16.280 --> 00:54:18.199
And I want to be clear, friends, I love the

831
00:54:18.280 --> 00:54:21.079
horror genre when it's done well so much. I love

832
00:54:21.559 --> 00:54:24.840
like John Carpenter and David Cronenberg and you know, HP

833
00:54:25.039 --> 00:54:29.840
Lovecraft stories and you know, the Shining and and Stephen King.

834
00:54:29.880 --> 00:54:31.639
This is my bread and butter. I love this stuff

835
00:54:31.639 --> 00:54:33.599
when it's done well right as much as I do

836
00:54:33.599 --> 00:54:37.440
science fic. It when it's done well being the key

837
00:54:37.519 --> 00:54:41.079
thing right, and I love that stuff. I do have

838
00:54:41.159 --> 00:54:43.920
nothing against the genre right at all. I really do.

839
00:54:43.960 --> 00:54:47.039
But but after this episode was over, you know, I

840
00:54:47.599 --> 00:54:48.840
was just like, I kind of feel like I need

841
00:54:48.880 --> 00:54:52.400
a shower, you know, I really did. I was just like,

842
00:54:52.639 --> 00:54:55.440
this is gross and I feel like really just with

843
00:54:55.480 --> 00:54:58.440
the ears snipping and the finger chopping, like this is just.

844
00:55:00.079 --> 00:55:02.320
Okay. It's like, oh my god, why did they have

845
00:55:02.400 --> 00:55:05.599
to do that? That was disgusting. I forgot about that.

846
00:55:06.400 --> 00:55:08.360
And a guy I saw somewhere online. I don't know

847
00:55:08.400 --> 00:55:10.199
if it was in our Facebook group or somewhere else,

848
00:55:10.199 --> 00:55:12.039
but I was just like, you know, this guy, I

849
00:55:12.119 --> 00:55:14.039
appreciate his point of view, right, you know, not that

850
00:55:14.079 --> 00:55:16.559
we have to be you know all, you know, g

851
00:55:16.800 --> 00:55:20.599
rated innocuous folks. He was like me because now I

852
00:55:20.599 --> 00:55:22.679
feel he goes. I have to pre screen start Trek

853
00:55:22.679 --> 00:55:25.159
before I can share to the kids, right, And I

854
00:55:25.280 --> 00:55:27.039
kind of think the guy has a point, right, because

855
00:55:27.079 --> 00:55:29.960
it's like where are we going? And I don't really

856
00:55:30.000 --> 00:55:33.000
remember a lot of you know, disclaimers at the beginning

857
00:55:33.000 --> 00:55:37.599
of the episode, like warning for graphic violence, so you know,

858
00:55:38.400 --> 00:55:40.400
And I'm I'm not against it. I'm just saying it's

859
00:55:40.440 --> 00:55:43.440
just it seems it's a little tone deaf and not

860
00:55:44.480 --> 00:55:48.800
I think especially it's like they living in I come

861
00:55:48.840 --> 00:55:51.000
to start trek for hope and uh and vision and

862
00:55:51.039 --> 00:55:55.159
clarity and good writing, and I just didn't get that here.

863
00:55:55.280 --> 00:55:58.199
The question is Box snipped his own ears or what?

864
00:55:59.320 --> 00:56:02.440
Like I quite okay, I don't understand that.

865
00:56:02.559 --> 00:56:03.840
Okay, we don't know.

866
00:56:03.800 --> 00:56:07.960
Because the episode never told us, right, it was left

867
00:56:07.960 --> 00:56:09.840
that out a little ambiguous. But how would you even

868
00:56:09.880 --> 00:56:12.679
do that? Given how much he's screaming in pain that's

869
00:56:12.719 --> 00:56:16.400
not self self uh you know, uh, that's not a

870
00:56:16.440 --> 00:56:20.039
self inflicted wound. When he's screaming like bloody murder, where's

871
00:56:20.039 --> 00:56:22.360
your vulcan resolve? It means to see Spot on the

872
00:56:22.400 --> 00:56:24.960
original series, he would just like endure incredible amount of

873
00:56:25.000 --> 00:56:30.000
pain and he would never break under any circumstances, almost right,

874
00:56:30.039 --> 00:56:32.320
And for him to be like, he's you know, he's

875
00:56:32.360 --> 00:56:34.760
too busy having a new girlfriend every week. This spot right.

876
00:56:34.840 --> 00:56:37.280
I mean, it's just I can't even keep trying. So

877
00:56:37.559 --> 00:56:40.199
it's just I don't like to come across negative. But

878
00:56:40.239 --> 00:56:42.199
like I said, just the bad taste in my mouth,

879
00:56:42.679 --> 00:56:45.480
and they did not care for it. So I'm sorry.

880
00:56:45.079 --> 00:56:49.039
I did anyone else think of fucked brain? When he

881
00:56:49.079 --> 00:56:50.559
would put on the table for the first time.

882
00:56:52.760 --> 00:56:55.199
So bad, so bad, it was good.

883
00:56:56.800 --> 00:56:57.360
We got to hear.

884
00:56:59.840 --> 00:57:07.639
I'm I've after my recent medical situation, I've had plenty

885
00:57:07.639 --> 00:57:11.199
of time to watch plenty of Star Trek. I watched

886
00:57:11.199 --> 00:57:15.960
this episode four times, Oh my god, because I just

887
00:57:16.039 --> 00:57:18.840
had to wrap my brain around it. So I watched

888
00:57:18.880 --> 00:57:21.159
it four times. And I want to say I'm a

889
00:57:21.199 --> 00:57:25.000
fan of horror too, but everybody kept mentioning Event Horizon.

890
00:57:25.119 --> 00:57:27.480
Paul mentioned it in our chat. I went and watched

891
00:57:27.519 --> 00:57:29.519
it because I have plenty of time now I'm home

892
00:57:29.559 --> 00:57:33.480
all days. I get to watch all these eighties movies

893
00:57:33.519 --> 00:57:37.880
and stuff, and I watched it. That movie was horrendously

894
00:57:38.280 --> 00:57:41.199
I hate that movie was terrible. I just did. It

895
00:57:41.280 --> 00:57:45.960
was just uncomfortable to watch, just gory from beginning to

896
00:57:46.320 --> 00:57:50.559
I did not care for Event Horizon at all, just

897
00:57:50.559 --> 00:57:54.719
just no, they just didn't like it. All the people

898
00:57:54.760 --> 00:57:57.840
that were comparing this to that I think is a

899
00:57:58.039 --> 00:58:03.320
very loose, really loose comparison, simply because we have an

900
00:58:03.360 --> 00:58:06.800
abandoned starship with a murdered crew, and that was really

901
00:58:06.840 --> 00:58:11.280
the only thing I saw that that would connect the

902
00:58:11.320 --> 00:58:15.199
two in my opinion. So so I just wanted to

903
00:58:15.199 --> 00:58:17.440
say that there's another movie that I think sums this

904
00:58:17.639 --> 00:58:21.000
up perfectly, and that's the Shining. I saw more of

905
00:58:21.039 --> 00:58:23.880
the shining in this than I did in Event Horizon.

906
00:58:24.400 --> 00:58:28.239
I also want to say a while ago, there was

907
00:58:28.280 --> 00:58:33.920
some talk of Quentin Tarantino making an R rated Star

908
00:58:34.039 --> 00:58:37.559
Trek and people went crazy, you know, cutting off their

909
00:58:37.639 --> 00:58:40.000
vulcan ears out over the whole thing. And I got

910
00:58:40.039 --> 00:58:44.559
to say that after watching this episode, which which by

911
00:58:44.559 --> 00:58:46.679
the way, there was a fan of Facebook page that

912
00:58:46.760 --> 00:58:50.679
said this that this episode was not shown on Canadian

913
00:58:50.760 --> 00:58:55.320
Sci Fi TV because of the graphic nature of the episode,

914
00:58:56.360 --> 00:59:04.000
so all the same, So yeah, this this episode was

915
00:59:04.000 --> 00:59:09.840
was more graphic. I think, not as as any means,

916
00:59:09.920 --> 00:59:17.880
but still it was graphic. Having said that, I also

917
00:59:17.960 --> 00:59:22.559
think that strange in the world has this uh tendency

918
00:59:22.719 --> 00:59:28.159
let me put it that way, Tendency two want to

919
00:59:28.199 --> 00:59:33.000
do different uh styles and genres of Star Trek rather

920
00:59:33.079 --> 00:59:35.480
than just doing Star Trek. You know, they got to

921
00:59:35.519 --> 00:59:37.880
give us a singing episode, which I love. By the way,

922
00:59:38.119 --> 00:59:41.199
I'm not knocking it. They have to give us a

923
00:59:41.920 --> 00:59:44.239
you know, a holid deck episode. They have to give

924
00:59:44.320 --> 00:59:46.079
us a what if episode, They have to give us

925
00:59:46.119 --> 00:59:48.599
a mouffet episode. They have to give us, you know,

926
00:59:48.760 --> 00:59:52.360
a time period episode that for some reason they can't

927
00:59:52.400 --> 00:59:57.079
find their own style, so they feel the need to

928
00:59:57.159 --> 01:00:00.920
continuously make Star Trek episodes in the style of other people.

929
01:00:01.800 --> 01:00:06.320
And sometimes that bothers me. I would like to see

930
01:00:06.360 --> 01:00:09.360
them do their own style. This was their attempt at

931
01:00:09.400 --> 01:00:12.760
a horror episode, and in my opinion, it worked brilliantly.

932
01:00:13.239 --> 01:00:17.320
And I'm going to tell you guys why I mentioned

933
01:00:17.360 --> 01:00:21.320
The Shining and to me, this episode is perfect for

934
01:00:21.360 --> 01:00:26.400
The Shining because in The Shining, was Jack Nicholson an

935
01:00:26.440 --> 01:00:30.760
alcoholic that was projecting these these apparitions as a way

936
01:00:30.800 --> 01:00:35.159
to justify his actions, or was the hotel influencing him

937
01:00:35.159 --> 01:00:39.159
in these these apparitions were real. I have watched The Shining,

938
01:00:39.280 --> 01:00:43.719
god knows how many times and It's a brilliant movie.

939
01:00:43.800 --> 01:00:47.760
And to me, this episode followed the shining a lot

940
01:00:47.920 --> 01:00:52.920
closer than Event Horizon. It leaves you wondering was this reel?

941
01:00:53.159 --> 01:00:54.000
Wasn't this real?

942
01:00:54.119 --> 01:00:54.280
What?

943
01:00:54.559 --> 01:00:57.679
You know, does Spot cut off his own ears?

944
01:00:57.760 --> 01:00:57.960
Yeah?

945
01:00:58.000 --> 01:01:02.239
I think that he did. Laan, we see the knife

946
01:01:02.320 --> 01:01:06.039
on the wall. Laan's the camera shows us the knife.

947
01:01:06.119 --> 01:01:08.719
We see that it's there, and in the very next

948
01:01:08.719 --> 01:01:13.079
scene we see Lan stabbing Kirk with the knife that

949
01:01:13.119 --> 01:01:17.760
she just looked at on the wall. You know, Kirk

950
01:01:18.119 --> 01:01:21.440
is dealing with, you know, his son. He knows that

951
01:01:21.519 --> 01:01:23.639
Carroll's pregnant, he knows that she's and that he's going

952
01:01:23.679 --> 01:01:27.239
to be a father. He's asked her to stay away.

953
01:01:27.519 --> 01:01:30.519
He's dealing with the guilt of his family. And so,

954
01:01:31.679 --> 01:01:33.599
you know, this is why we see so much talk

955
01:01:33.639 --> 01:01:37.280
of David and he's you know, digging into the console

956
01:01:37.320 --> 01:01:40.039
because he sees a baby in there. And to me,

957
01:01:41.119 --> 01:01:44.280
the episode was all about the inner strife that each

958
01:01:44.320 --> 01:01:47.639
one of these characters was dealing with and would their

959
01:01:47.920 --> 01:01:52.239
inner inner demons take them over and make them someone

960
01:01:52.320 --> 01:01:56.199
else or will they defeat these these demons, And to me,

961
01:01:56.280 --> 01:02:00.360
that's what the episode was all about. You know, was

962
01:02:00.400 --> 01:02:04.760
the Griffin real, yes, was it haunted? When else Spock

963
01:02:04.920 --> 01:02:09.719
did detect negatively charged ions and Kirk says, you mean

964
01:02:09.760 --> 01:02:15.760
ghosts and Spocks is no negatively charged ions. So was

965
01:02:15.800 --> 01:02:19.119
there something on the ship that was making them do

966
01:02:19.239 --> 01:02:24.320
these things? You know it could have been. Uh, it

967
01:02:24.360 --> 01:02:26.599
was never explained to us, just like in The Shining,

968
01:02:26.639 --> 01:02:30.440
it's never explained. It's left for the viewer to decide.

969
01:02:30.880 --> 01:02:33.159
And there was enough for me a lot of character

970
01:02:33.199 --> 01:02:37.239
development in this episode, like Spock seeing to Pring instead

971
01:02:37.280 --> 01:02:39.079
of Chapel, and then when he gets back on the

972
01:02:39.159 --> 01:02:43.239
Enterprise and as Chapel fixed his ears, you know they're discussing,

973
01:02:43.320 --> 01:02:45.239
you know, why was it to Pring and not her?

974
01:02:46.480 --> 01:02:52.320
On me with the captain about his log compleet. All

975
01:02:52.400 --> 01:02:56.559
of these things were were then dealing with their inner

976
01:02:56.599 --> 01:03:00.639
demons and hopefully defeating them. The only one that has

977
01:03:00.719 --> 01:03:03.639
me worried though, on because she still seems to be

978
01:03:04.440 --> 01:03:06.960
that maniacal, take over the universe type of person that

979
01:03:07.000 --> 01:03:10.079
punches dinosaurs. But we'll have to wait and see how

980
01:03:10.119 --> 01:03:12.960
she plays out by the end of the season. But

981
01:03:13.960 --> 01:03:18.239
it was brilliantly shot. Whoever directed this episode was definitely

982
01:03:18.280 --> 01:03:21.199
a horror fan because I could see Michael Myers or

983
01:03:21.320 --> 01:03:24.079
Jason Horhi's popping out from around any one of these

984
01:03:24.079 --> 01:03:28.480
coins at any time. It definitely had the horror vibe.

985
01:03:29.199 --> 01:03:32.880
They redressed the Enterprise to look like, you know, a

986
01:03:33.000 --> 01:03:37.480
horror ship. The lighting, everything about it screened horror movie,

987
01:03:38.159 --> 01:03:42.840
very well done. The production value was phenomenal. I don't

988
01:03:42.840 --> 01:03:45.079
know if you guys noticed this or not. No one

989
01:03:45.119 --> 01:03:48.760
mentioned it, but after watching the episode four times I

990
01:03:48.960 --> 01:03:51.840
noticed it, and I wanted to bring this up. When

991
01:03:51.880 --> 01:03:55.880
they beam onto the Griffin for the first time, they

992
01:03:56.039 --> 01:04:02.119
used the cage transporter sound effect now and also and

993
01:04:02.320 --> 01:04:03.679
I'm gonna come back to that in a minute, but

994
01:04:03.880 --> 01:04:07.840
also if you look, well they're beaming down onto the ship.

995
01:04:08.199 --> 01:04:13.559
In the far right hand corner. As they're materializing, you

996
01:04:13.679 --> 01:04:18.679
will see Chief Security Rose whatever her name is, the

997
01:04:18.800 --> 01:04:24.000
zombie faced ghost girl. She's also materializing in the corner

998
01:04:24.199 --> 01:04:26.639
of the room at the same time that they are.

999
01:04:27.480 --> 01:04:31.800
And one of the things about the cage is it

1000
01:04:31.840 --> 01:04:36.760
was all imagine area. The Celosions were creating these visions

1001
01:04:36.760 --> 01:04:40.599
for Pike and crew to deal with, and so the

1002
01:04:40.639 --> 01:04:44.480
fact that they chose to use the transporter sound effect

1003
01:04:44.679 --> 01:04:48.480
from the cage in this episode, and the fact that

1004
01:04:48.559 --> 01:04:54.840
you see Rose whatever her name is, materialize as a

1005
01:04:54.880 --> 01:04:58.360
ghost at the same time that they do got me

1006
01:04:58.440 --> 01:05:01.840
thinking about, you know, the episode. So to me, there

1007
01:05:01.880 --> 01:05:04.039
was a lot going on in this episode. There was

1008
01:05:04.079 --> 01:05:06.679
a lot to it. It was very well shot, very

1009
01:05:06.679 --> 01:05:09.880
well acted. We learned a lot about these characters. And

1010
01:05:10.039 --> 01:05:13.760
also something else that I think they did incredibly well,

1011
01:05:13.800 --> 01:05:17.639
which Charles had mentioned. When when Spock sends the message

1012
01:05:17.639 --> 01:05:20.800
to the Enterprise and An says we only have an

1013
01:05:20.800 --> 01:05:25.079
hour to get out of here, and then Pike and

1014
01:05:25.239 --> 01:05:31.199
Una and Ahura and Ortegas appear on the ship, I'm thinking, oh, okay,

1015
01:05:31.239 --> 01:05:34.760
and I thought, yeah, they're really here. They're here. They

1016
01:05:34.840 --> 01:05:38.679
beamed onto the ship. They're actually here. I believed that

1017
01:05:38.840 --> 01:05:42.559
they were there, even when Pike was cutting off his fingers.

1018
01:05:42.559 --> 01:05:46.280
I'm like, oh Jesus, that's gross, But I still thought

1019
01:05:47.119 --> 01:05:52.559
that they were there. When Laan beams or Tagas into herself,

1020
01:05:52.599 --> 01:05:54.880
which I thought was an homage to the motion picture,

1021
01:05:56.760 --> 01:05:59.760
and Ahora puts her in the transporter buffer, I thought,

1022
01:06:00.639 --> 01:06:03.760
wait a minute, if they kill if they kill or Tegis,

1023
01:06:03.920 --> 01:06:06.599
then that's going to ruin the whole illusion. But they

1024
01:06:06.679 --> 01:06:10.280
saved her. So I'm thinking to myself, they're really there.

1025
01:06:10.360 --> 01:06:15.880
Now this is affecting them. When Sam gets sucked out

1026
01:06:15.920 --> 01:06:18.559
through that little hole into space and he's floating, that's

1027
01:06:18.599 --> 01:06:21.320
when I said, Okay, they're not really there. And I

1028
01:06:21.320 --> 01:06:23.840
don't know if you guys remember there's a really there's

1029
01:06:23.840 --> 01:06:25.840
an alien movie that I'm going to mention now that

1030
01:06:25.840 --> 01:06:28.960
that was really not good, but I'm going to mention it. Anyways,

1031
01:06:30.679 --> 01:06:36.559
there was an alien movie called Alien Resurrection and the

1032
01:06:36.559 --> 01:06:40.079
main alien gets sucked out into space just like Sam

1033
01:06:40.159 --> 01:06:44.519
Kirk did, and that reminded me of that scene. So yeah,

1034
01:06:44.639 --> 01:06:46.800
I was like, Okay, well, now I know they're not

1035
01:06:46.880 --> 01:06:49.760
really there. And that's what broke the illusion for me

1036
01:06:49.920 --> 01:06:53.719
was that particular scene with there. But overall, I thought

1037
01:06:53.840 --> 01:06:57.000
I really liked seeing the characters dealing with all of

1038
01:06:57.000 --> 01:06:59.840
the situations that were putting them dealing with their inner demons,

1039
01:07:00.360 --> 01:07:03.880
Spocks switching to logic, and I also think that to

1040
01:07:03.960 --> 01:07:08.119
something Paul said, this version of Spock is not quite

1041
01:07:08.519 --> 01:07:12.679
there yet. This isn't the Spock that we will come

1042
01:07:12.760 --> 01:07:16.320
to know and love on cos he's working his way there,

1043
01:07:16.960 --> 01:07:20.360
so he's not fully embraced the logic yet he's not

1044
01:07:20.760 --> 01:07:25.000
really there. But I think this episode puts him on

1045
01:07:25.199 --> 01:07:28.320
course to be that Spock because he steps back to

1046
01:07:28.519 --> 01:07:32.000
logic and he solves the whole illusion with logic. And

1047
01:07:32.039 --> 01:07:35.559
the reason why I say that that he self mutilated

1048
01:07:35.639 --> 01:07:38.400
himself is because he picks up he has the scissors

1049
01:07:38.400 --> 01:07:40.119
in his hand with the green blood on them, and

1050
01:07:40.159 --> 01:07:42.400
he holds them up and has them in his hand,

1051
01:07:42.960 --> 01:07:45.760
and that's what I'm like, Okay, well, you know, he

1052
01:07:45.840 --> 01:07:48.960
obviously had cut his own ears off, and that's the

1053
01:07:48.960 --> 01:07:54.119
way I interpreted that scene. Again, just like with the Shining,

1054
01:07:54.800 --> 01:07:57.639
there's people that argue it was an alcoholic delusion and

1055
01:07:57.719 --> 01:08:00.719
other people that argue that it with those and we

1056
01:08:00.760 --> 01:08:03.519
can both be right. That's the beauty of it. So

1057
01:08:03.639 --> 01:08:06.480
to me, I found this episode to be Star Trek

1058
01:08:06.519 --> 01:08:10.000
does Shining more than Star Trek does Event Horizon. I

1059
01:08:10.079 --> 01:08:12.400
enjoyed it. Well, I don't want to say I enjoyed it,

1060
01:08:12.480 --> 01:08:17.600
but I didn't hate it. Okay, I've seen better episodes

1061
01:08:17.600 --> 01:08:21.079
of the Star Trek, but this just showed me that

1062
01:08:21.119 --> 01:08:24.800
Star Trek can be done, are rated, and can be

1063
01:08:24.880 --> 01:08:28.079
done creepy and spooky. So I enjoyed it. Was it

1064
01:08:28.119 --> 01:08:31.279
a ten no, it was not a ten by five,

1065
01:08:32.840 --> 01:08:37.439
but I'm gonna I'm gonna go with that, you know,

1066
01:08:37.520 --> 01:08:39.560
I'm gonna go with an eight point five like one

1067
01:08:39.560 --> 01:08:44.000
of our fans had given the episode, So eight point

1068
01:08:44.079 --> 01:08:49.359
five from me. So Charles with our how to the

1069
01:08:49.399 --> 01:08:54.319
Trek Spurts hold up to our fans on our Facebook page.

1070
01:08:55.199 --> 01:09:00.800
Okay, overall our our fans, our fans gave this episode

1071
01:09:01.560 --> 01:09:07.560
an eight point three. The Trexperts only gave it a six.

1072
01:09:11.439 --> 01:09:11.680
Wow.

1073
01:09:11.960 --> 01:09:17.159
Okay, well there you have it all right. So now guys, uh,

1074
01:09:17.880 --> 01:09:21.399
it's time for our five five birthdays.

1075
01:09:22.520 --> 01:09:41.079
Yeah, that was not a clemon song.

1076
01:09:43.119 --> 01:09:49.119
Okay, grumpy war if we understand. So I'm attempting to

1077
01:09:49.119 --> 01:09:54.680
to shorten our podcast a little bit. So I'm going

1078
01:09:54.760 --> 01:09:57.760
to every week, I'm going to try to get our

1079
01:09:57.800 --> 01:10:02.279
birthdays down to stand six per person, and I think

1080
01:10:02.279 --> 01:10:05.239
that's totally doable. I'm only going to mention the ones

1081
01:10:05.279 --> 01:10:08.560
that are memorable. Now, last week, I apologize. You know,

1082
01:10:08.600 --> 01:10:10.119
I had a heart attack. We were out for two

1083
01:10:10.119 --> 01:10:12.439
weeks and we had some good ones that I couldn't

1084
01:10:12.439 --> 01:10:14.560
take off the list. You know, we had Harrison Ford

1085
01:10:14.680 --> 01:10:16.319
and you know, we had some good ones. So it

1086
01:10:16.359 --> 01:10:18.479
was a little bit long. Hopefully I'll make up for

1087
01:10:18.520 --> 01:10:22.239
it this week. So usually we turned to Charles, I

1088
01:10:22.279 --> 01:10:25.399
mean too Eric for our remembrance is. But this week

1089
01:10:25.439 --> 01:10:27.479
we're going to turn to Charles, and Charles is going

1090
01:10:27.520 --> 01:10:30.239
to Savvy and I'll remember those members of our Sci

1091
01:10:30.279 --> 01:10:32.720
Fi and Star Trek family who are no longer with us.

1092
01:10:32.760 --> 01:10:34.920
So take it away, Charles.

1093
01:10:36.000 --> 01:10:36.359
Thank you.

1094
01:10:36.479 --> 01:10:42.000
Jim. Start off with Ted. Yeah.

1095
01:10:42.239 --> 01:10:48.399
Ted Cassidy played Rouck in tos's first season episode What

1096
01:10:48.479 --> 01:10:52.920
Are Little Girls Made Out? Also did an uncredited voice

1097
01:10:53.079 --> 01:10:58.359
role in The Captain Gorny Arena and Balck's puppet in

1098
01:10:58.399 --> 01:11:02.920
The Carbonite Maneuver. Best known for his betrayal as a

1099
01:11:03.000 --> 01:11:08.279
macabre butler Lurch in the TV series Adams Family Back

1100
01:11:08.319 --> 01:11:18.079
from sixty four to sixty six. Happy Birthday THEO Marcus

1101
01:11:18.439 --> 01:11:24.840
was the actor who betrayed Corb and t was the

1102
01:11:24.960 --> 01:11:33.720
second season episode Cats Paul Happy Birthday Remembrances to Nehemia.

1103
01:11:34.720 --> 01:11:40.600
Hears Off was an American actor who played Parlow Top

1104
01:11:41.199 --> 01:11:47.319
and TNG Thursdays and episode The Most Toys, and did

1105
01:11:47.319 --> 01:11:49.439
show up in SAT.

1106
01:11:51.279 --> 01:11:53.800
I found it interesting when I was doing this that

1107
01:11:54.279 --> 01:11:59.079
he died at one hundred and two. That's impressive.

1108
01:11:59.199 --> 01:12:05.840
Awesome, that's impressive. And last on my list, I think

1109
01:12:05.880 --> 01:12:09.960
the biggest one on my list is a very happy birthday.

1110
01:12:10.479 --> 01:12:12.079
Sorry you're not here.

1111
01:12:12.399 --> 01:12:19.039
To Luisille Ball an actress and comedian best known for

1112
01:12:19.159 --> 01:12:24.119
her role at Roland I Love Lucy. During the mid sixties,

1113
01:12:24.600 --> 01:12:28.720
she was the owner and chief executive of Desilu Studios.

1114
01:12:29.359 --> 01:12:34.319
As such, rememberable for her approving the initial Star Trek production.

1115
01:12:35.239 --> 01:12:40.159
There is a production of Star Trek. Ball founded Desilu

1116
01:12:40.199 --> 01:12:48.439
with her husband Desilu in nineteen fifty but we always

1117
01:12:48.560 --> 01:12:51.720
talk her as the first Lady of Star Trek because

1118
01:12:51.800 --> 01:12:59.520
she really did help bring Star Trek existence. And now

1119
01:12:59.560 --> 01:13:03.039
I will pass is flaming birthday candle over.

1120
01:13:02.880 --> 01:13:09.119
To v Yeah. Finally something that can be properly on fire. Yeah.

1121
01:13:09.199 --> 01:13:13.720
So the first happy birthday goes to France Win. She

1122
01:13:13.920 --> 01:13:19.119
played Elon in the TOS third season episode Ilon of Troye.

1123
01:13:19.920 --> 01:13:22.680
She was born in Marseill, France, to a French Roma

1124
01:13:22.760 --> 01:13:28.119
mother and a Vietnamese father. Next happy birthday goes to

1125
01:13:28.399 --> 01:13:33.560
Edward Furlong. He played John Connor in the nineteen ninety

1126
01:13:33.560 --> 01:13:37.079
one film Terminator to Judgment Day. I remember taught in

1127
01:13:37.119 --> 01:13:42.239
the Theater. Born in Glendale, California, he had no acting

1128
01:13:42.399 --> 01:13:46.479
ambitions until he was approached by a casting agent who

1129
01:13:46.520 --> 01:13:48.680
was looking for a young actor to play the role

1130
01:13:48.720 --> 01:13:52.439
of John Connor and what turned out to be one

1131
01:13:52.479 --> 01:13:57.359
of the biggest box office hits of the nineteen nineties.

1132
01:13:59.239 --> 01:14:02.119
Next birthday to somebody I wish I could have been

1133
01:14:02.199 --> 01:14:06.399
part of interviewing, but because I was, forgot what it

1134
01:14:06.439 --> 01:14:10.880
was anyway, But a big happy birthday to Bruce Korak,

1135
01:14:11.600 --> 01:14:16.000
Canadian actor and artist who portrayed Hemmer in the first

1136
01:14:16.039 --> 01:14:20.199
season of Strange New World. He reprised the role in

1137
01:14:20.239 --> 01:14:23.079
an episode of the second season, where he also made

1138
01:14:23.159 --> 01:14:27.880
a guest appearance as Garkog. He's legally blind, having lost

1139
01:14:27.920 --> 01:14:31.840
over ninety percent of his eyesight to childhood cancer. Over

1140
01:14:31.960 --> 01:14:34.520
that does not seem to have stopped him at all.

1141
01:14:36.279 --> 01:14:39.439
Next and me, I gotta say, I just want to

1142
01:14:39.520 --> 01:14:42.399
jump in here and say to our listeners, if you

1143
01:14:42.560 --> 01:14:46.439
missed that interview, head over to trek talkin dot com

1144
01:14:46.479 --> 01:14:50.800
and give it a listen, because he was absolutely fascinating

1145
01:14:51.199 --> 01:14:53.800
to talk to. He was a lot of fun, and

1146
01:14:53.920 --> 01:14:59.000
he's brilliant and the singing, dancing Klingon Oh my god,

1147
01:14:59.119 --> 01:15:01.399
does it Does it get any better than that?

1148
01:15:02.079 --> 01:15:05.319
I have to say no, you know, a week doesn't

1149
01:15:05.359 --> 01:15:07.800
go by that. I just don't threw the fact that

1150
01:15:07.880 --> 01:15:10.000
they got rid of this character, right, I mean, we

1151
01:15:10.079 --> 01:15:12.960
got Pellyan now, and it's just I'm sorry, Carol Kane.

1152
01:15:13.479 --> 01:15:16.840
There's just no comparison. This is a great character and

1153
01:15:17.000 --> 01:15:19.560
they should have never got rid of him. He was fantastic.

1154
01:15:20.720 --> 01:15:24.840
I absolutely agree. And Bruce Horwock is a great individual.

1155
01:15:24.960 --> 01:15:28.319
So he was a actor, he really really he brought

1156
01:15:28.359 --> 01:15:32.000
a lot of life from unique perspective. You never confused him,

1157
01:15:32.000 --> 01:15:35.159
but that the characters he made sense. He was a

1158
01:15:35.159 --> 01:15:38.159
great mentor. It was just it was such a good character,

1159
01:15:38.239 --> 01:15:40.199
and it's just like you hang on the good characters.

1160
01:15:40.199 --> 01:15:42.600
Don't let him throw away like that.

1161
01:15:42.840 --> 01:15:44.720
He was the greatest question to me because of his

1162
01:15:45.079 --> 01:15:49.840
legally blinded and I am so I agree with the guy.

1163
01:15:49.920 --> 01:15:53.880
They shouldn't have gotten rid of him.

1164
01:15:54.439 --> 01:15:57.199
When he was on the podcast, he said that he

1165
01:15:57.279 --> 01:15:59.359
knew that he was only going to be there first season,

1166
01:15:59.399 --> 01:16:00.920
and they knew they were going to kill him off

1167
01:16:00.960 --> 01:16:03.920
at the end. So I don't know what was going

1168
01:16:03.960 --> 01:16:07.039
through their heads. They should not a good call, not

1169
01:16:07.079 --> 01:16:09.560
a good call. Absolutely not sorry.

1170
01:16:09.319 --> 01:16:12.920
Sorry, no, no, no, that's that's perfectly fine, especially you

1171
01:16:12.960 --> 01:16:16.399
know if you have that connection with him, So no problems.

1172
01:16:17.600 --> 01:16:21.680
The next happy Birthday goes to Catherine Hick and she

1173
01:16:21.880 --> 01:16:26.720
played doctor Gillian Taylor in perhaps one of the best

1174
01:16:26.960 --> 01:16:38.279
Star Trek movies ever, Voyage Home, the one with the Whales.

1175
01:16:38.319 --> 01:16:41.039
She is, but she is best known for her starring

1176
01:16:41.119 --> 01:16:46.159
role as Annie Camden in Seventh Heaven. And her husband

1177
01:16:46.520 --> 01:16:50.560
was played by name just went out of my head,

1178
01:16:50.600 --> 01:16:55.560
but he was Decker in Star Trek's emotion picture. Was

1179
01:16:55.640 --> 01:17:00.520
his name Stephen something or another? Yes, thank you in coming.

1180
01:17:01.039 --> 01:17:05.279
So I gotta tell you a little story about her.

1181
01:17:06.239 --> 01:17:10.039
We have this time for an Uncle Jim story. Okay,

1182
01:17:10.239 --> 01:17:13.439
so here's an Uncle Jim story. My wife and I

1183
01:17:13.680 --> 01:17:17.279
drove all the way down to Harrisburg, Pennsylvania to see

1184
01:17:17.319 --> 01:17:21.279
her at one of her first conventions, and we get

1185
01:17:21.319 --> 01:17:23.920
down there to meet her. She's a charming lady. She

1186
01:17:24.239 --> 01:17:28.119
was absolutely wonderful. In fact, I sent Charles an autograph

1187
01:17:28.159 --> 01:17:31.239
poster from Star Trek four that I had or sign.

1188
01:17:31.279 --> 01:17:33.119
I had her sign a couple of them. But what

1189
01:17:34.079 --> 01:17:35.880
she's up on stage doing her Q and A and

1190
01:17:35.920 --> 01:17:37.520
I'm going to say a bad word here, but I'm

1191
01:17:37.560 --> 01:17:42.319
just quoting her, she says to the crowd. She says, yeah,

1192
01:17:43.079 --> 01:17:44.520
I think that she was a bit of a cock

1193
01:17:44.600 --> 01:17:48.840
tease when it came to Captain Kirk. She she got

1194
01:17:48.840 --> 01:17:51.159
what she wanted. She came to the future, worked with

1195
01:17:51.199 --> 01:17:54.840
the whales, and then told Captain Kirk bye bye, I

1196
01:17:54.840 --> 01:17:57.319
see you later, dude, and left them hanging hay and drive.

1197
01:17:57.960 --> 01:18:00.720
I thought that was funny, and I think it's nice

1198
01:18:00.720 --> 01:18:06.199
to see the tables turned on, right, So congratulations to

1199
01:18:06.279 --> 01:18:08.720
Catherine Hicks for doing that, and out back to our

1200
01:18:09.279 --> 01:18:15.359
schedule program. The best Star Trek movie ever.

1201
01:18:17.479 --> 01:18:21.640
Yeah, so my last happy Birthday goes out to Melanie Shatner.

1202
01:18:22.680 --> 01:18:25.920
She's a former actress who appeared as a jogger in

1203
01:18:26.159 --> 01:18:29.880
Star Trek for The Voyage Home, Great Picture, and as

1204
01:18:29.960 --> 01:18:33.479
the Captain's gilman in some other Star Trek movie that

1205
01:18:33.520 --> 01:18:34.560
I've never heard.

1206
01:18:34.319 --> 01:18:39.439
Of, The Best.

1207
01:18:40.880 --> 01:18:44.600
Start The Final Frontier. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but she is

1208
01:18:44.640 --> 01:18:49.640
the youngest daughter of the shat William Shatner. Happy birthday

1209
01:18:49.640 --> 01:18:53.119
to you, Melanie. All right, and you know.

1210
01:18:53.119 --> 01:18:56.960
What I got to say, congratulations because you got our

1211
01:18:57.000 --> 01:18:58.319
Star Trek five reference in.

1212
01:18:58.439 --> 01:19:04.199
The so now I'm going to get a hurl a

1213
01:19:04.359 --> 01:19:09.239
flaming birthday candle over to Paul. We need a flaming

1214
01:19:10.319 --> 01:19:13.039
or some sort of graphic that goes across the screen.

1215
01:19:13.079 --> 01:19:13.760
That would be great.

1216
01:19:14.760 --> 01:19:17.800
Yeah, a laws rocket would be good. Okay, we'll work

1217
01:19:17.840 --> 01:19:22.239
on that. So let's continue, shall we, friends, and say,

1218
01:19:22.840 --> 01:19:25.479
we got a lot of July birthdays sneaking in here

1219
01:19:25.479 --> 01:19:27.439
to and we've got one at the end of the month.

1220
01:19:27.520 --> 01:19:32.079
It's the great Michael Bean, American actor, of course, known

1221
01:19:32.119 --> 01:19:35.640
for his many depictions in the films of James Cameron,

1222
01:19:36.039 --> 01:19:41.680
most notably for me as Kyle Reese in Aliens or

1223
01:19:41.680 --> 01:19:46.640
excuse me, no, I've got my'm backwards. I've got reading

1224
01:19:46.680 --> 01:19:49.960
dyslexia here tonight. It's terrible. Kyle Reese is of course.

1225
01:19:50.079 --> 01:19:54.000
The first thing he did with Jim Cameron was The Terminator.

1226
01:19:54.039 --> 01:19:55.760
What am I thinking? I think I need.

1227
01:19:55.640 --> 01:19:56.560
Coffee or something?

1228
01:19:56.840 --> 01:20:00.760
But yeah, memorably as the guy who basically you know

1229
01:20:00.920 --> 01:20:04.560
John Connor's dad, if you will, right, Kyl Reese right, amazing,

1230
01:20:04.920 --> 01:20:08.920
terrific stuff, really great, indelible first impression. But he ended

1231
01:20:09.000 --> 01:20:11.439
up working with Jim Cameron so many other times, and

1232
01:20:11.479 --> 01:20:14.920
for me, you know, corporal Hicks and Aliens. It doesn't

1233
01:20:14.920 --> 01:20:17.319
get any bilder than that. I mean, what a great performance,

1234
01:20:17.399 --> 01:20:21.720
right Hudson, Sir. He's Hicks. I mean, just so great,

1235
01:20:22.159 --> 01:20:24.359
so many great lines of dialogue. I say we take

1236
01:20:24.399 --> 01:20:26.439
off and look aside from morbit On a way to

1237
01:20:26.479 --> 01:20:30.439
be sure. I mean, he's phenomenal, really engaging with folks

1238
01:20:30.560 --> 01:20:33.079
at conventions all the time. He ended up showing up

1239
01:20:33.159 --> 01:20:37.680
in really great Part two an Abyss for Jim Cameron also,

1240
01:20:37.720 --> 01:20:40.199
so they just keep working together doing all these different things.

1241
01:20:40.720 --> 01:20:43.239
But Michael Bean's done a ton of things beyond that

1242
01:20:43.319 --> 01:20:47.399
as well. Really all over the place. He was in Tombstone,

1243
01:20:48.399 --> 01:20:52.840
the terrific picture with about the Okay Corral with Kurt Russell,

1244
01:20:53.039 --> 01:20:55.760
a really really great role in that. For him, He's

1245
01:20:55.840 --> 01:20:58.000
all over the place. He had a small part in

1246
01:20:58.039 --> 01:21:01.479
the first season of The Mandalorian. If you have not

1247
01:21:01.600 --> 01:21:05.239
checked that out, you should. But just a wonderful performer,

1248
01:21:05.760 --> 01:21:08.359
really great, able to do everything with the Old West

1249
01:21:08.399 --> 01:21:10.800
of the far future. A big fan of his work.

1250
01:21:11.600 --> 01:21:14.960
I can't believe I confuse those two characters. But there

1251
01:21:14.960 --> 01:21:18.680
you go, Michael Bean. We salute you, sir, and do

1252
01:21:18.800 --> 01:21:22.720
more work. We love seeing you. Happy birthday to original

1253
01:21:22.800 --> 01:21:28.000
series veterans. Susan Denbergh, German born Austrian chorus dancer, model

1254
01:21:28.000 --> 01:21:31.319
and actress, who, of course, in the original series first

1255
01:21:31.359 --> 01:21:37.680
season episode MUDs Women, played Magna Kovacs. Very very cool.

1256
01:21:38.079 --> 01:21:42.039
Was born in Germany originally then became part of Poland

1257
01:21:42.079 --> 01:21:45.000
at the end of the Second World War. That section there,

1258
01:21:45.039 --> 01:21:49.439
but a really memorable role and a very you know,

1259
01:21:50.199 --> 01:21:53.279
part of that whole mystique of the first original series

1260
01:21:53.319 --> 01:21:56.079
first season. So very, very striking and very very cool.

1261
01:21:56.119 --> 01:22:00.720
So Happy Birthday, Susan Denverg. Happy Birthday. Took an actress

1262
01:22:00.760 --> 01:22:06.640
Evangeline Lily, who portrays Tail the Elf in The Hobbit,

1263
01:22:06.760 --> 01:22:10.079
The Desolation of Smog and The Hobbit, The Battle of

1264
01:22:10.119 --> 01:22:13.920
the Five Armies the Peter Jackson Hobbit Movies. There great

1265
01:22:13.920 --> 01:22:17.119
to see an Elf step to the forefront as a warrior.

1266
01:22:17.520 --> 01:22:21.920
She also played superhero Hope van Dyne aka the Wasp

1267
01:22:22.159 --> 01:22:26.680
in the Marvel Cinematic Universe The ant Man Pictures. Notably,

1268
01:22:26.760 --> 01:22:29.960
there a lot of stuff that she's done. Of course,

1269
01:22:30.159 --> 01:22:33.319
many of us remember her for her leading role as

1270
01:22:33.399 --> 01:22:36.760
Kate Austen in the Lost television series People Forget about

1271
01:22:36.800 --> 01:22:40.960
how Lost was just made such a huge impact, amazing,

1272
01:22:41.439 --> 01:22:45.239
amazing television show. She got like I think, numerous nominations

1273
01:22:45.279 --> 01:22:47.399
for her work in that Saturn Awards and stuff. She's

1274
01:22:47.479 --> 01:22:50.760
just great, so very very cool. Exciting to see her

1275
01:22:51.720 --> 01:22:54.279
continuing to make an impression. So if you've never seen

1276
01:22:54.279 --> 01:22:56.239
her and Lost, you should really check out Lost. It's

1277
01:22:56.359 --> 01:23:00.560
pretty amazing stuff, very very cool. Moving on, Actress Melissa

1278
01:23:00.600 --> 01:23:05.039
George Okay, who Australian actress who played Vina in Star

1279
01:23:05.119 --> 01:23:08.640
Trek Discovery second season episode of Memory Serves again. Kind

1280
01:23:08.640 --> 01:23:12.600
of riffing on the whole cage thing there as Jim

1281
01:23:12.680 --> 01:23:15.840
was describing earlier, but very very cool to see a

1282
01:23:15.840 --> 01:23:19.920
different iteration of that character. Happy Birthday goes out to

1283
01:23:20.319 --> 01:23:23.279
we're just all over MUD's women know in the original series,

1284
01:23:23.319 --> 01:23:25.439
here aren't we? We're just all over the original series

1285
01:23:25.560 --> 01:23:29.800
Night Luis Sorel, who played Rayna Kopeck in the third

1286
01:23:29.880 --> 01:23:35.560
season original series episode Requiem for Methuselah. Daughter producer Albert J.

1287
01:23:35.720 --> 01:23:39.079
Cohen and actress Gene Sorell, made her acting to be

1288
01:23:39.239 --> 01:23:41.159
back in nineteen sixty three in an episode of Rout

1289
01:23:41.439 --> 01:23:44.359
sixty six. And here's what I can't believe I had

1290
01:23:44.439 --> 01:23:46.600
managed to steal away from Uncle Jim. It's kind of

1291
01:23:46.640 --> 01:23:48.439
shocking that I'm getting this one here. It's kind of

1292
01:23:48.479 --> 01:23:52.399
mind boggling. But we're going to say a huge happy

1293
01:23:52.399 --> 01:23:58.119
birthday to iconic actress Michelle Yoka, who, of course, in

1294
01:23:58.159 --> 01:24:02.560
the Star Trek universe we honor for play Philippa Georgiou Georgia,

1295
01:24:03.319 --> 01:24:06.199
Let's pronounce these things correctly here, as well as her

1296
01:24:06.600 --> 01:24:11.800
Mirror Universe counterpart Philippa Empress Georgia in Star Trek Discovery.

1297
01:24:12.640 --> 01:24:16.039
She reprised that role in Star Trek Short Takes episode

1298
01:24:16.039 --> 01:24:20.199
of Pride. A Star needed to buy a few houses

1299
01:24:20.439 --> 01:24:23.199
and so decided to go ahead and take the role

1300
01:24:23.359 --> 01:24:27.079
in Star Trek Section thirty one. The less set about

1301
01:24:27.119 --> 01:24:30.960
that from my perspective, the better, but is an iconic

1302
01:24:31.039 --> 01:24:33.720
performer and has done so many good things. I could

1303
01:24:33.800 --> 01:24:37.439
just sit here for hours and hours and hours. Let's

1304
01:24:37.439 --> 01:24:40.239
first talk about where she really exploded on Western audiences

1305
01:24:40.239 --> 01:24:43.840
for the first time, in the phenomenal picture Crouching Tiger,

1306
01:24:44.159 --> 01:24:46.640
Hidden Dragon that if you've never seen it, Holy moly,

1307
01:24:46.680 --> 01:24:49.119
what are you doing? You should definitely be checking that

1308
01:24:49.239 --> 01:24:52.239
out everything everywhere, all at once. For which she won

1309
01:24:52.279 --> 01:24:57.680
the Academy Award. Amazing stuff. She's been all over the place.

1310
01:24:57.680 --> 01:25:00.319
She's done so many different things that are really really

1311
01:25:00.359 --> 01:25:03.239
tremendous good work. She was in the two Wicked movies.

1312
01:25:03.279 --> 01:25:07.600
Really recently, she's been on the Witcher, Transformers, all kinds

1313
01:25:07.600 --> 01:25:10.319
of stuff. She just does a ton of work. And

1314
01:25:10.479 --> 01:25:13.560
also a Bond girl. Let's not forget her work with

1315
01:25:13.640 --> 01:25:18.800
Pierce Brosnan and Tomorrow Never Dies, which is great. I'm

1316
01:25:18.840 --> 01:25:21.960
really excited though, for I believe it is this November,

1317
01:25:22.000 --> 01:25:26.000
if I'm not mistaken, She's got the lead role in

1318
01:25:26.279 --> 01:25:30.960
an upcoming new series that is a blade Runner television series,

1319
01:25:31.039 --> 01:25:34.800
Friends blade Runner twenty ninety nine. It's going to be

1320
01:25:34.840 --> 01:25:37.960
a six episode limited series on I believe it's on

1321
01:25:38.000 --> 01:25:41.880
Amazon if I'm not mistaken, in November. But that's exciting.

1322
01:25:42.239 --> 01:25:49.439
It's you know, to see Visa. But Michelle yo amazing performer,

1323
01:25:50.079 --> 01:25:52.159
really cool that she's part of Star Trek. Does a

1324
01:25:52.199 --> 01:25:54.319
lot of other cool work as well. If you've never

1325
01:25:54.359 --> 01:25:57.479
seen Crouching Tiger Hitten Jag and check that thing out.

1326
01:25:57.560 --> 01:26:02.199
It's amazing, amazing stuff, tremendous performer, and I think we

1327
01:26:02.239 --> 01:26:04.079
have a few more here I'll probably clean on too,

1328
01:26:04.159 --> 01:26:05.560
so I better pass it over to Uncle Jim.

1329
01:26:06.600 --> 01:26:10.239
Why thank you so much, Paul, So I don't actually

1330
01:26:10.279 --> 01:26:15.159
have an actual birthday. So each week we have a

1331
01:26:15.239 --> 01:26:19.239
lot of our favorite movies that celebrate anniversaries, and some

1332
01:26:19.279 --> 01:26:22.279
of them get forgotten, some of them don't. I post

1333
01:26:22.319 --> 01:26:24.680
them on our Facebook page, and I'll always pick one

1334
01:26:24.680 --> 01:26:30.439
that I think our listeners and our viewers will appreciate. So, David,

1335
01:26:30.560 --> 01:26:33.079
what is our anniversary movie this week?

1336
01:26:33.840 --> 01:26:48.159
There's totally yeah.

1337
01:26:49.319 --> 01:26:52.880
On December of the sixth, nineteen eighty, the nuclear Power

1338
01:26:52.920 --> 01:26:56.359
to Attack Aircraft carrier USS Limits with a crew of

1339
01:26:56.439 --> 01:27:00.199
five thousand men and a strike force, a mighty aircraft

1340
01:27:00.520 --> 01:27:03.000
was on a routine mission in the Pacific when it

1341
01:27:03.199 --> 01:27:09.000
encountered a storm unlike any ever recorded and disappeared.

1342
01:27:16.640 --> 01:27:18.479
Across the board Antennis check out.

1343
01:27:18.520 --> 01:27:20.800
But we're up the air anywhere from out destroyers.

1344
01:27:20.800 --> 01:27:23.479
We're not getting anything except some co transmissions into two

1345
01:27:23.560 --> 01:27:25.800
hundred meter band. Otherwise we're dead as.

1346
01:27:25.720 --> 01:27:29.600
A Doornail's all right? That picture right? I showed this class, sir.

1347
01:27:29.920 --> 01:27:31.439
Can't you see that Russian trawler?

1348
01:27:31.640 --> 01:27:34.640
I haven't sing them off on but no visual sightings there.

1349
01:27:34.760 --> 01:27:37.640
All of us know that movement through time is possible.

1350
01:27:37.680 --> 01:27:40.760
Einstein proved there are forces in the universe which we're

1351
01:27:40.760 --> 01:27:43.279
only now just beginning to understand. I mean to understand

1352
01:27:43.279 --> 01:27:44.199
through science.

1353
01:27:43.880 --> 01:27:46.119
Not superstition. There are black holes in.

1354
01:27:46.079 --> 01:27:49.800
Space, anti matter, curved space, things that are strange to us,

1355
01:27:49.840 --> 01:27:51.880
as electricity would have been to people in the Middle

1356
01:27:51.880 --> 01:27:56.239
Ages or the ship in World War Two?

1357
01:28:00.039 --> 01:28:01.239
What's happening here?

1358
01:28:01.960 --> 01:28:02.479
Who are you?

1359
01:28:02.680 --> 01:28:04.680
Pupil are a war? Is that what happened?

1360
01:28:10.199 --> 01:28:13.680
Splash the Zeros, I say again, splash the Zeros.

1361
01:28:22.760 --> 01:28:24.680
We've got an incredible opportunity here.

1362
01:28:24.720 --> 01:28:26.319
We know where all the mistakes are going to be

1363
01:28:26.319 --> 01:28:27.760
made in the next forty years, and.

1364
01:28:27.720 --> 01:28:34.079
You've got the power to correct those. I've got planes out.

1365
01:28:34.199 --> 01:28:36.039
Those planes give us all a second chance.

1366
01:28:36.079 --> 01:28:37.119
We're a bunch of damn fools.

1367
01:28:37.199 --> 01:28:37.760
We don't take it.

1368
01:28:44.960 --> 01:28:47.199
Those men have enough knowledge among them. Gon know we

1369
01:28:47.279 --> 01:28:47.600
at them.

1370
01:28:47.600 --> 01:28:50.319
Bove reached the moon here before it should have happened.

1371
01:28:50.439 --> 01:28:52.159
Is that a terrifying prospect? Captain?

1372
01:28:56.840 --> 01:29:01.159
On December the sixth, nineteen eighty, the nuclear carrier USS

1373
01:29:01.319 --> 01:29:07.239
Nimics disappeared in the Pacific and reappeared December sixth, nineteen

1374
01:29:07.359 --> 01:29:09.159
forty one, off.

1375
01:29:09.039 --> 01:29:10.920
The coast of Pearl Harbor.

1376
01:29:11.640 --> 01:29:15.199
The Final Countdown is about to begin.

1377
01:29:23.720 --> 01:29:27.079
Yeah, so any of the Final Countdown was released by

1378
01:29:27.159 --> 01:29:31.279
United Artists on August first, nineteen eighty. It's a science

1379
01:29:31.319 --> 01:29:34.720
fiction war film about a modern nuclear powered aircraft carrier

1380
01:29:34.720 --> 01:29:38.479
that travels through time to the day before Pearl Harbor.

1381
01:29:39.039 --> 01:29:42.399
It is directed by Don Taylor, his final theatrical film

1382
01:29:42.479 --> 01:29:46.880
as a director. Stars Kirk Douglas, Martin Sheen, James Farentino,

1383
01:29:47.039 --> 01:29:51.760
Katherine Ross, Ron O'Neill, and Charles Derning. It received mixed

1384
01:29:51.760 --> 01:29:54.560
reviews from critics, but was a moderate success at the

1385
01:29:54.600 --> 01:29:58.359
box office. It received Saturn Award nominations for Best Science

1386
01:29:58.399 --> 01:30:02.880
Fiction Film and Best Actor for Kirk Douglas. You guys,

1387
01:30:02.920 --> 01:30:06.119
did you guys see The Final Countdown or have you

1388
01:30:06.159 --> 01:30:06.600
seen it?

1389
01:30:07.520 --> 01:30:09.560
I feel like that was a trailer that I showed

1390
01:30:09.560 --> 01:30:10.960
me the whole movie, so I feel like I just

1391
01:30:11.000 --> 01:30:11.560
saw it again.

1392
01:30:13.119 --> 01:30:18.520
Yeah that you know that trailer was awful. Yeah, but

1393
01:30:18.680 --> 01:30:21.920
back in nineteen eighty that they had one trailer. I

1394
01:30:21.920 --> 01:30:23.920
saw it when it came out, and I saw everything.

1395
01:30:24.000 --> 01:30:26.560
Back in those days, the first run on Anything New

1396
01:30:26.560 --> 01:30:27.119
was science fiction.

1397
01:30:27.239 --> 01:30:29.600
It was there, and yeah, it's fun. I mean it's

1398
01:30:29.600 --> 01:30:33.920
just like you know, Martin Sheen, Charles Dirning, all kinds

1399
01:30:33.960 --> 01:30:36.239
of great character actors in there. But you know, you

1400
01:30:36.279 --> 01:30:40.000
know the films for Kirk Douglas, right, so you know,

1401
01:30:40.399 --> 01:30:42.159
I can't stay away from that. But it's had a

1402
01:30:42.279 --> 01:30:46.199
very long cult life since the heyday of home video. Right,

1403
01:30:46.319 --> 01:30:49.199
everybody wanted to see this movie, and it's got a wrap.

1404
01:30:49.359 --> 01:30:51.479
People like it. It's a cult took.

1405
01:30:52.560 --> 01:30:55.640
And while I was researching this movie, I never read

1406
01:30:55.640 --> 01:31:00.039
the book for the movie, but apparently it was Aliens,

1407
01:31:00.079 --> 01:31:03.880
and they were planning on making sequel. Aliens open up

1408
01:31:03.920 --> 01:31:06.920
the rift that sends the limits back in time, and

1409
01:31:06.960 --> 01:31:09.399
then the Aliens open up the rift and send it

1410
01:31:09.479 --> 01:31:13.840
back in time and the aircraft carrier sees the UFO

1411
01:31:13.960 --> 01:31:16.600
at the end of the movie. But they cut that

1412
01:31:16.720 --> 01:31:19.560
whole alien connection out and never made the sequel. So

1413
01:31:19.600 --> 01:31:21.279
I don't know if that would have been better worse.

1414
01:31:21.399 --> 01:31:23.439
I don't know, But I like the movie. It was

1415
01:31:23.439 --> 01:31:25.319
a lot of fun. If you guys haven't seen it,

1416
01:31:25.600 --> 01:31:27.359
go and check it out. I think I think you

1417
01:31:27.479 --> 01:31:31.079
will enjoy it. It brings up some interesting questions like if

1418
01:31:31.119 --> 01:31:34.479
you could change the future, would you and what would

1419
01:31:34.560 --> 01:31:36.840
be the outcome if you did so.

1420
01:31:37.720 --> 01:31:42.119
The final such a mind blower for me is that

1421
01:31:42.159 --> 01:31:45.079
an aircraft carrier's got six thousand poke people on it.

1422
01:31:45.119 --> 01:31:48.720
I mean, my god, that's six thousand people's huge one vessel,

1423
01:31:48.800 --> 01:31:50.439
can you know? I mean, I just have a hard

1424
01:31:50.439 --> 01:31:53.680
time understanding how an object that size can float frankly,

1425
01:31:53.720 --> 01:31:56.319
but you know, it's just that's a lot of people

1426
01:31:56.359 --> 01:31:57.439
to be on a single ship.

1427
01:31:57.479 --> 01:32:01.039
Man, that's a big floating city. Reason, they really are

1428
01:32:01.840 --> 01:32:05.800
until you think my my former husband was in the

1429
01:32:05.920 --> 01:32:09.359
Navy and he was on a smaller ship. But you know,

1430
01:32:09.359 --> 01:32:12.439
I got to see a couple of aircraft carriers up close,

1431
01:32:12.680 --> 01:32:15.720
and it's mind boggling, it really is.

1432
01:32:16.960 --> 01:32:19.840
Yeah, it's we're always on Star Trek. How many people

1433
01:32:19.880 --> 01:32:22.279
in the US's enterprise forier and something right? And just

1434
01:32:22.760 --> 01:32:25.920
it's worn warner people versus like six thousand, six thousand,

1435
01:32:26.239 --> 01:32:29.119
an insane number of human beings. I mean, how many bathrooms?

1436
01:32:29.119 --> 01:32:32.279
How many lot a lot on a regular day. That's like,

1437
01:32:32.399 --> 01:32:34.960
you know, that's like that's like a couple of hundred

1438
01:32:34.920 --> 01:32:41.800
thousand toilet flushes a day. I mean it's just that's yeah,

1439
01:32:42.319 --> 01:32:44.760
I can't wrap my head around it. David it's crazy.

1440
01:32:45.000 --> 01:32:52.319
Yeah, yeah, ninety ninety six aircraft. That's that's huge as well.

1441
01:32:53.720 --> 01:32:57.319
So yeah, check it out. It's the final countdown. I

1442
01:32:57.359 --> 01:33:00.520
think you'll like it, all right, guys. So now that

1443
01:33:00.560 --> 01:33:02.760
wraps up our Star Trek birthdays. We got some time

1444
01:33:02.800 --> 01:33:04.439
for some Star Trek.

1445
01:33:04.359 --> 01:33:29.039
News, all right, guys, Star Trek News.

1446
01:33:29.039 --> 01:33:31.039
You can find all of these stories in their entirety

1447
01:33:31.079 --> 01:33:34.159
on our Facebook page, Trek Talking and Beyond. We usually

1448
01:33:34.199 --> 01:33:36.239
like to start out with a segment called sat and

1449
01:33:36.359 --> 01:33:39.479
says what, which Eric usually does for us, but we're

1450
01:33:39.479 --> 01:33:42.520
gonna forego that and we're gonna jump right into V.

1451
01:33:42.880 --> 01:33:44.520
She's got a very good story for us.

1452
01:33:44.600 --> 01:33:48.680
Take it away, right, Star Trek Strange New World reveals

1453
01:33:48.880 --> 01:33:55.079
Captain Pike as a puppet all right, Yeah, for all

1454
01:33:55.159 --> 01:33:59.560
my Muppets fans out there. Well as we know, Star

1455
01:33:59.600 --> 01:34:03.479
Trek Ancient World has built a reputation for unique aches,

1456
01:34:04.239 --> 01:34:08.760
including a musical episode, an animated crossover with Lower Decks,

1457
01:34:08.800 --> 01:34:12.600
one of my absolute favorites, a mock documentary. I believe

1458
01:34:12.640 --> 01:34:17.800
it's called a mockumentary, a clue style holiday murder mystery.

1459
01:34:18.279 --> 01:34:21.920
But when producers reveal that Pan Diego Comic Con that

1460
01:34:22.079 --> 01:34:26.720
season four would include a suppet episode featuring the crew

1461
01:34:26.800 --> 01:34:31.680
of the USS Enterprise reimagined in himself. Oh that just

1462
01:34:31.720 --> 01:34:35.680
sounds funny. Just say bye by none other than Jim

1463
01:34:35.760 --> 01:34:40.840
Henson's Preacher Shop. Some fans stopped laughing and started worrying.

1464
01:34:41.840 --> 01:34:48.079
Executive producers Alt Kirksman and Akiva Goldsman confirms what many suspected.

1465
01:34:48.800 --> 01:34:54.800
It starts with a transporter, because why not. Kirtsman described

1466
01:34:54.840 --> 01:35:00.479
an unexpected and terrible transporter activist as the meg chanism

1467
01:35:00.560 --> 01:35:05.399
that transforms Spike into a felt version of himself. What

1468
01:35:05.520 --> 01:35:09.520
Season four is doing, Goldman said, is taking that reliable

1469
01:35:09.600 --> 01:35:13.880
device and using it for something the franchise has genuinely

1470
01:35:13.960 --> 01:35:18.760
never attempted before. The episode is directed by Jordan Canning,

1471
01:35:18.840 --> 01:35:24.000
who previously helms back a mock Charades and Wedding Bell

1472
01:35:24.119 --> 01:35:28.920
Blues across Strange New World's first stream seasons, and all

1473
01:35:29.000 --> 01:35:33.520
puppet work was created by Jim Jim Henson's Preacher Shops,

1474
01:35:34.119 --> 01:35:37.079
the same studio behind the Muppets and Fragile Rock, and

1475
01:35:37.520 --> 01:35:43.239
called it Labyrinth, Dark Crystal, et cetera. Goldman made clear

1476
01:35:43.279 --> 01:35:45.960
that the puppet episode turned out to be harder to

1477
01:35:46.079 --> 01:35:50.199
make in any episode the show has produced. Fan reaction

1478
01:35:50.399 --> 01:35:55.079
to the original SCCC Seezer was divided, with some fans

1479
01:35:55.239 --> 01:36:00.880
celebrating the Gonzo ambition really at that, get it the

1480
01:36:01.000 --> 01:36:06.800
gonto okay, and others pushing back on what they saw

1481
01:36:06.920 --> 01:36:12.159
as the show prioritizing guns over story, whether the puppet

1482
01:36:12.319 --> 01:36:15.840
episode is the gimmick that breaks so or the episode

1483
01:36:15.840 --> 01:36:19.720
that proved stranging Worlds may have gone too far. They

1484
01:36:20.079 --> 01:36:24.119
finally know where it starts, somewhere between this transporter pad

1485
01:36:24.840 --> 01:36:29.119
and a very bad day for Captain type. Fans will

1486
01:36:29.119 --> 01:36:32.800
have to wait until the fifth episode, Level five transporter

1487
01:36:32.960 --> 01:36:37.199
accident to decide for themselves. All Right, I can't wait

1488
01:36:37.279 --> 01:36:41.960
because Jim Henson's creature shop, I mean heck y out,

1489
01:36:42.600 --> 01:36:46.319
muppets heck y out. So I say go for it.

1490
01:36:46.560 --> 01:36:49.159
Yeah, good time.

1491
01:36:51.760 --> 01:36:53.520
And I got to be the first one to say

1492
01:36:53.560 --> 01:36:57.039
here and my truck sports can verify this. When they

1493
01:36:57.039 --> 01:36:59.239
said they were going to do a musical episode, I

1494
01:36:59.279 --> 01:37:02.359
was like, no, no, no, that's going to be crap.

1495
01:37:02.520 --> 01:37:04.960
We don't need it. It's a gimmick, and it turned

1496
01:37:05.000 --> 01:37:08.840
out to be one of my favorite episodes of all time.

1497
01:37:09.000 --> 01:37:11.760
So I'm not going to judge anything. I want to

1498
01:37:11.760 --> 01:37:13.920
see what they do with it, see how it happens,

1499
01:37:14.119 --> 01:37:17.079
and I'll decide after I watch it, and I hope,

1500
01:37:17.560 --> 01:37:20.640
I hope that Start Trek fans out there feel the

1501
01:37:20.680 --> 01:37:23.560
same way, and that they give it a chance before

1502
01:37:23.600 --> 01:37:27.840
they turn around and judge it and hate. So that's

1503
01:37:27.880 --> 01:37:28.479
my take.

1504
01:37:30.760 --> 01:37:38.199
Personally. I get hold of it in a muppet.

1505
01:37:36.520 --> 01:37:39.760
Yes, they'll probably have the cell will probably make little

1506
01:37:39.760 --> 01:37:40.840
action figures of them.

1507
01:37:42.680 --> 01:37:47.920
Have to Oh, I'll take him. Then, Oh, I'll take him.

1508
01:37:47.960 --> 01:37:52.039
Then we'll have to ask Brian volk Wise about that

1509
01:37:52.079 --> 01:37:59.359
when it comes out in the podcast. Hell yeah, absolutely,

1510
01:38:00.199 --> 01:38:03.199
all right, David, being our video game guy, I thought

1511
01:38:03.279 --> 01:38:05.000
that this would be a good story for you.

1512
01:38:06.239 --> 01:38:06.880
All right.

1513
01:38:07.039 --> 01:38:10.479
Well that's one a horror so I'm not really into horror,

1514
01:38:10.520 --> 01:38:13.760
but I'll do my best, all right. So Star Trek

1515
01:38:14.119 --> 01:38:19.840
Shadow Frontier, a new horror game. Bluebird Team, a studio

1516
01:38:20.039 --> 01:38:24.720
behind Silent Hill Too remake and last year's can Quonos,

1517
01:38:25.840 --> 01:38:31.640
The New Dawn and Paramount Game Studio, which recently revealed

1518
01:38:31.760 --> 01:38:36.239
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles The Last Ronan, have unveiled Star

1519
01:38:36.319 --> 01:38:42.800
Trek Shadow Frontier, a psychological horror game launching next year.

1520
01:38:44.000 --> 01:38:49.239
Revealed during ign Live. Shadow Frontier put players in control

1521
01:38:49.359 --> 01:38:54.039
of Star Trek the next Generation roll Larn after she

1522
01:38:54.199 --> 01:38:58.720
crashed lands on a mysterious planet to answer a distress call.

1523
01:39:01.399 --> 01:39:05.079
So Michelle Forbes, who played the character the Next Generation,

1524
01:39:05.279 --> 01:39:09.199
returns to play the character in the Shadow Frontier, and

1525
01:39:09.279 --> 01:39:12.800
though only appeared in just a handful of episodes across

1526
01:39:12.840 --> 01:39:18.399
the series seven series a season, she made an impact

1527
01:39:18.680 --> 01:39:23.399
on Trekkis, making her reappearance in the first effort Star

1528
01:39:23.520 --> 01:39:30.479
Tract horror game and making it an exciting one. Okay.

1529
01:39:31.439 --> 01:39:36.039
The planet roll Laron Lanzon is a spaceship graveyard where

1530
01:39:36.199 --> 01:39:41.319
nothing is as it seems. A press release reads as

1531
01:39:41.399 --> 01:39:45.760
she explores the planet corrupt surface and crosses path with

1532
01:39:46.119 --> 01:39:50.880
other survivors, she must face twisted creatures, a hostile ecosystem,

1533
01:39:51.159 --> 01:39:56.640
and an entity that seeks to envelop her body and mind.

1534
01:39:58.479 --> 01:40:02.039
Stytrak Shadow Frontier does and have an exact an exact

1535
01:40:02.079 --> 01:40:07.239
relief date, but Bluebird Team and Permount Games said out

1536
01:40:07.680 --> 01:40:15.720
next year on PlayStation five, Xbox, Xbox Series x S

1537
01:40:16.239 --> 01:40:22.680
and PC. So I'm not intruqua, but I probably wouldn't

1538
01:40:22.680 --> 01:40:26.039
mind playing it if just if we do a podcast

1539
01:40:26.039 --> 01:40:27.680
about it. If you guys want but I don't know.

1540
01:40:28.920 --> 01:40:32.520
It's uh, I don't know, it's interesting, But what do

1541
01:40:32.520 --> 01:40:33.920
you guys think?

1542
01:40:34.640 --> 01:40:37.000
Well, I saw that story and I thought of you

1543
01:40:37.119 --> 01:40:39.560
right away, David, and I thought it also went well

1544
01:40:39.600 --> 01:40:42.760
with the topic of today's podcast, which was a horror episode,

1545
01:40:42.800 --> 01:40:45.079
so that's why I put it in there. I'm all,

1546
01:40:45.199 --> 01:40:51.279
I'm always thinking these things out. I try to anyways, Okay, yeah,

1547
01:40:51.359 --> 01:40:54.119
I mean anything anything would startsuck. I'll check it out.

1548
01:40:54.960 --> 01:40:57.039
It'll probably be on Steam, so I can probably pick

1549
01:40:57.079 --> 01:40:59.439
it up over there nice once it comes out. I

1550
01:40:59.479 --> 01:41:04.399
do although do a PS five, so we'll see. But

1551
01:41:04.439 --> 01:41:08.840
I'll probably check it out. And since Michelle Forbes is

1552
01:41:08.880 --> 01:41:12.319
playing the character, you know, I'm assuming she's gonna voice

1553
01:41:12.319 --> 01:41:13.680
it is what they mean, So.

1554
01:41:13.960 --> 01:41:16.840
Yeah, it could be probably like an RPTE I would imagine,

1555
01:41:16.880 --> 01:41:18.600
but I don't know. I've never heard of it.

1556
01:41:20.479 --> 01:41:24.079
So anyways, all right, guys, and I've got the final

1557
01:41:24.199 --> 01:41:28.640
story of the Evening. Star Trek's Strange New World's horror

1558
01:41:28.640 --> 01:41:32.319
episode scares up bigger streaming audiences than the season four

1559
01:41:32.840 --> 01:41:37.159
debut Star Treks. Strange New World started its fourth seasons

1560
01:41:37.159 --> 01:41:41.800
strong with quite an entertaining time travel from Mere Dallas,

1561
01:41:41.840 --> 01:41:46.800
Marinaris on July twenty third. Unfortunately, the first Strange New

1562
01:41:46.840 --> 01:41:51.239
World's episode of twenty twenty six barely cracked Paramount's Top

1563
01:41:51.359 --> 01:41:56.560
ten Shows Now section at number ten last week, but

1564
01:41:56.640 --> 01:41:59.960
things changed drastically and for the better with the late

1565
01:42:00.239 --> 01:42:05.720
installment titled The Griffin Incident. The highly publicized Strange New

1566
01:42:05.720 --> 01:42:09.800
World season four horror story came out screaming and scared

1567
01:42:09.880 --> 01:42:13.319
up nearly a top five debut at number six on

1568
01:42:13.399 --> 01:42:18.199
the streaming service's Top ten Shows Now list, and according

1569
01:42:18.199 --> 01:42:22.039
to Flick's Patrol, the Griffin Incident is ranked number seven

1570
01:42:22.119 --> 01:42:27.239
worldwide top ten shows of Paramount Plus as of Friday,

1571
01:42:27.720 --> 01:42:32.680
July thirty. First, Strange New World's second episode also ranked

1572
01:42:33.000 --> 01:42:37.119
as the top content overall, whether it's being shows or

1573
01:42:37.159 --> 01:42:42.560
films on Paramount Plus in the number of countries including Australia, France,

1574
01:42:42.640 --> 01:42:46.560
Germany and Italy. Meanwhile, the Griffin Incident helped Strange New

1575
01:42:46.560 --> 01:42:51.119
Worlds ranked as the top series in Austria, Canada and Switzerland.

1576
01:42:51.920 --> 01:42:54.760
So how did this surprisingly graphic ghost story fair in

1577
01:42:54.760 --> 01:42:59.000
the United States. Well, Strange New World's landed at number

1578
01:42:59.159 --> 01:43:03.199
three on the Paramount Plus's Top ten in the US

1579
01:43:03.479 --> 01:43:07.680
as of July thirty, first only behind number ones Criminal

1580
01:43:07.720 --> 01:43:12.600
Minds and number two's South Park. In addition, Strange New

1581
01:43:12.640 --> 01:43:14.920
Worlds and that the number two spot on the top

1582
01:43:14.960 --> 01:43:20.920
ten overall Amazon, with only the number ones Avatar Aim

1583
01:43:21.039 --> 01:43:25.399
The Last Airbender ranking higher, and new episodes of Strange

1584
01:43:25.439 --> 01:43:30.239
New Worlds season four drop every Thursday on Pairmount Plus.

1585
01:43:30.840 --> 01:43:37.680
So that's interesting, which I'm going to bring up here

1586
01:43:38.119 --> 01:43:43.479
Starfleet Academy because I have to. So they're talking about

1587
01:43:43.520 --> 01:43:48.039
Paramount Plus's top ten shows, not this Nielsen Craft, not

1588
01:43:48.239 --> 01:43:52.119
all this other stuff. Paramount Plus has their own numbers.

1589
01:43:52.119 --> 01:43:54.279
They know what shows you're watching. Every time you click

1590
01:43:54.319 --> 01:43:56.079
on a show, they know you watched it and how

1591
01:43:56.119 --> 01:44:00.399
long you watched it. So I find it interesting that

1592
01:44:01.439 --> 01:44:04.479
they canceled Strange New Worlds because it wasn't getting the viewership.

1593
01:44:04.479 --> 01:44:07.880
But they never we never really saw they never told

1594
01:44:07.920 --> 01:44:14.159
us anything about it. So that anyway, that my friends

1595
01:44:14.199 --> 01:44:17.840
wraps up our podcast for the night. What do you think?

1596
01:44:17.880 --> 01:44:19.920
Did you have a good time? Did everything flow well?

1597
01:44:21.000 --> 01:44:21.239
You know?

1598
01:44:22.239 --> 01:44:22.840
What do you think?

1599
01:44:23.800 --> 01:44:24.039
Yeah?

1600
01:44:24.800 --> 01:44:30.960
Yeah, online the whole time? Yeah yeah, and he only

1601
01:44:31.039 --> 01:44:34.960
turned blue it was a couple of times. Yeah, with whatever,

1602
01:44:35.119 --> 01:44:35.600
I don't know.

1603
01:44:38.079 --> 01:44:42.760
Yeah, so we will be back, same bad time, same

1604
01:44:42.880 --> 01:44:45.279
bad channel. Eric will be with us next week, and

1605
01:44:45.359 --> 01:44:48.199
I'm sure he'll have all kinds of fun stories about

1606
01:44:48.279 --> 01:44:51.760
leaving business cars on your halls when he gets back.

1607
01:44:51.560 --> 01:44:56.840
From him when he comes back, will he be pining

1608
01:44:57.199 --> 01:44:59.039
for the fewards?

1609
01:45:05.119 --> 01:45:08.399
So I will be talking about the episode which is

1610
01:45:08.439 --> 01:45:12.840
on tonight. I don't remember the name of it, Human.

1611
01:45:12.640 --> 01:45:14.119
Friends or human.

1612
01:45:15.840 --> 01:45:19.079
Yeah. I'm going to go and watch that right after

1613
01:45:19.119 --> 01:45:21.359
the podcast because I don't have to get up for work.

1614
01:45:21.239 --> 01:45:25.720
In the morning, and I'm going to.

1615
01:45:25.760 --> 01:45:29.199
Run over and watch it. So there and we'll be

1616
01:45:29.239 --> 01:45:32.239
talking about that episode next week. Eric will be back

1617
01:45:32.239 --> 01:45:35.399
with us and we're going to have a grand old time.

1618
01:45:35.439 --> 01:45:38.359
So please guys head over to check Talking and Beyond

1619
01:45:38.399 --> 01:45:42.720
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1620
01:45:43.159 --> 01:45:45.119
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1621
01:45:45.119 --> 01:45:48.560
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1622
01:45:48.560 --> 01:45:50.920
a subscriber. It's only ninety nine cents a month that

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01:45:51.000 --> 01:45:55.640
helps us keep the podcast going. I'm your most excellent host,

1624
01:45:55.760 --> 01:46:00.920
Uncle Jim saying to everybody, please live along in and

1625
01:46:01.000 --> 01:46:03.279
thank you so much to Charles for hanging out and

1626
01:46:03.359 --> 01:46:07.439
trek talking with us. Thank you, Charles, Thank you Jim.

1627
01:46:07.560 --> 01:46:08.159
It was fun.

1628
01:46:09.520 --> 01:46:12.720
Needed the break, and of course then it was. It

1629
01:46:12.840 --> 01:46:15.319
was a fun distraction. And thank you so much to

1630
01:46:15.399 --> 01:46:17.840
v for hanging out CORECT talking with us as well.

1631
01:46:17.920 --> 01:46:23.159
Thank you, and of course thank you to David for

1632
01:46:23.239 --> 01:46:25.880
making all these awesome videos and hanging out with us

1633
01:46:25.880 --> 01:46:26.920
as well. Thank you, David.

1634
01:46:27.359 --> 01:46:28.640
I give you a Propa guy nod.

1635
01:46:32.800 --> 01:46:34.560
And of course thank you so much to Paul for

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hanging out and Shrek talking with us as well. Thank

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you so much, Paul.

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Brief bonus content coming at you, just to let everybody

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know I was lucky enough to get out there. Check

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what's the latest Spider Man movie? This week at the

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box office? Over a billion freaking dollars in a week

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and deservedly so. It's fantastic, I would say, really really

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good stuff. It's not retreading anything, it's not, you know, boring,

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it's super exciting, amazing cast, and it feels like a legit, solid, reverential, cool,

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01:47:12.520 --> 01:47:16.479
action filled smart comic book when you watch it, I

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highly recommend it big screen. Don't wait for home video

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on this thing. Okay, it's a knockout.

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And Paul I actually went to see it as well,

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and I agree with you. I think Marvel has the

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magic back. They are lacking in a lot of their

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01:47:32.279 --> 01:47:36.039
recent movies, but boy, oh boy, they got it back

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01:47:36.079 --> 01:47:40.319
in this one. It had everything that that that you'd expect,

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a lot of fun and it picks up a lot

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of the threads that had been left hanging in previous movies.

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I think that Bruce Banner's cameo is awesome. I really

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like the way they use the Black Widow in this

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movie as well.

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And Sadi think is great. Sadie think is terrific. She's

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really really good in this.

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Yeah, and she you know, uh. Punisher was also good.

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And a lot of characters that we've seen from like

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other shows on teas that are popular TV. And we

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have actors from like The Bear, we have actors from Severance,

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a lot of really cool small parts from other actors

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01:48:16.640 --> 01:48:19.279
in here. But it just really delivers. It's beautifully made.

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It's super cool. So yeah, if you're even remotely on

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01:48:24.039 --> 01:48:25.840
the fence, it's just go see this in the theater.

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You'll have an amazingly fun time.

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It's really good stuff. Glad you enjoyed it, Uncle Jim. Well,

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in fact, back to what you were saying the theater

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01:48:32.960 --> 01:48:35.560
was sold out when we went to see it. When's

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the last time he went to was sold out theater?

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Well, like a week or two ago for the Odyssey.

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It's crazy. These two pictures, fascinating thing. Tom Hollins and Daya.

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And I'm always spacing out on his name, the guy

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01:48:50.159 --> 01:48:56.359
who plays a punisherr Oh, that's the character's name, but

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you know the guy I mean, right, the apologies that

1678
01:48:59.279 --> 01:49:01.680
I'm forgetting his name, but both all three of those

1679
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guys are in both movies. They're in the Odyssey together,

1680
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and they're in and they're in the Spider Man movie together,

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01:49:08.680 --> 01:49:12.039
which is just nuts, right, I need to imagine that.

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01:49:12.079 --> 01:49:15.239
You say, yeah, my last two movies collectively brought in

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two billion dollars in like a week. I mean, that

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is just John Barenthal. That's what I'm trying to think of.

1685
01:49:21.199 --> 01:49:23.920
Who plays the Punisher from like The Walking Dead and

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01:49:23.960 --> 01:49:25.520
stuff like that. He's got a big part in the

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Odyssey as well. Really, I hate the Punisher because he's

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01:49:28.520 --> 01:49:30.720
a big gun guy, right, and so I've never liked

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01:49:30.720 --> 01:49:33.319
the Punisher. I love the character in this movie though,

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because he was really engaging and relatable and you know,

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01:49:36.239 --> 01:49:39.039
had a soft heart. For the first time, I liked

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01:49:39.039 --> 01:49:41.960
The Punisher thanks to John Barenthals. He really did a really, really,

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01:49:42.000 --> 01:49:44.680
really good job of not just being a cliche.

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01:49:44.720 --> 01:49:46.600
So I need to movies.

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It's super fun. I mean those are both like to

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01:49:49.640 --> 01:49:52.600
miss those two movies of anything this year you got

1697
01:49:52.640 --> 01:49:55.319
to see him in the big screen. They're just remarkable,

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01:49:55.439 --> 01:49:56.920
I mean, like movie history.

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So I agree, I think that I think him is

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the Man had a really good rapport together. They really

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01:50:02.960 --> 01:50:04.239
played well off of each other.

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01:50:05.000 --> 01:50:08.279
Yeah, and it's just it's it's just super entertaining, and

1703
01:50:08.279 --> 01:50:10.319
it's just you know, we're getting our first seeds planted

1704
01:50:10.359 --> 01:50:13.600
for the X Men coming into the Marvel universe. Now

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01:50:13.800 --> 01:50:16.439
I am no spoilers, but it's just it's it's it's

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01:50:16.439 --> 01:50:18.239
pretty damn cool the way they do it, and so

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I'm really excited for this is of course, all building

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01:50:21.520 --> 01:50:24.800
up to December's you know, Avengers Doomday with Doctor Doom.

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So we're But if it's as good as this Spider

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01:50:27.840 --> 01:50:30.439
Man movie is man look at the printing money like

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01:50:30.479 --> 01:50:38.239
crazy and nice in December, it's crazy, good sufferings.

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Awesome, really good stuff. All right, guys, Well, I'm Uncle Jim,

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and I'm saying everybody please stay safe and be good

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01:50:44.920 --> 01:50:49.279
to each other, and hailing frequencies are closed. Good night,

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everybody not all live long and prosper.

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Eat your vegetables.

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Two and number one, you're the captain.

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01:51:00.039 --> 01:51:07.000
M okay, okay, ready for warm sir.

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H.

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M hm.

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01:51:48.000 --> 01:51:54.640
Okay. Alright, well guys, that is alright, no big deal.

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All right, guys, we'll see you guys all next week.

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We're going to talk about strange new worlds. You get

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01:51:59.039 --> 01:52:01.640
a little bonus ending hair because usually we cut before

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01:52:01.680 --> 01:52:05.039
we leave the studio.

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That's okay, so the fans get to see eat your vegetables.

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01:52:10.800 --> 01:52:12.720
All right, guys, thanks a lot of whom you enjoyed

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the show.

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We'll see you, thanks, friends, Bye bye,