Episode 684 - Tara Roslin: The Heart of Discovery

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1:23 Well, good evening, Treki's and treks around on the Globe. It is Thursday, April thirtieth, twenty twenty six. Welcome to episode six and eighty four of Trek Talking and Beyond. I'm your most excellent host, Uncle Jim, And before we get started, I'd like to go around and introduce my awesome treks first, and we'll start off with Paul. Paul's out in Portland. How you doing tonight, Paul? Oh, Uncle Jim, I'm doing well. It's it's can't get to be Friday soon enough. Just apparently made it here today, so it's been a I think what you would you know politely refer to was a bit of a whirlwind this week, so really glad to descend into Thursday Night here and to enjoy the presence of our lovely guest.

2:06 So pretty exciting way to wrap up the week. Absolutely I couldn't agree more. And sticking with our Portland theme, we have Eric with us tonight. How you doing tonight, Eric, I'm. Doing quite well, Thank you very much. Yes, Thursday night is always a nice Friday's Eve, just a nice way to launch into the weekend. And it looks like it's gonna be nice and toasty here in Portland, so I'm excited about that. We may be up in the eighties from what I hear. Oh, Paul says, no, that's not good. Well, we might hit fifty up here in Vermont, so that's a heat wave. And let's stick with our Portland theme and welcome David, a very own miracle worker of the show tonight.

2:47 How you doing, David, I'm doing pretty good. Speaking of pasty, I'm getting a little twitty in the apartment of mine. But yeah, it's like eighty two degrees over here. Wow, okay, excellent, bitching gears a little bit. We're going to go out to Las Vegas and say hello to Charles. How are you doing tonight? Charles, I'm doing good, mid eighties. We're looking at possibly ninety this weekend, and then the tempa is going back down. But I need my I need my pre Friday. Excellent. And last, but not least, we're going to go out to Virginia. We're going to say hello to the How you doing. I am doing well. Like I was saying earlier, this is my this is what keeps me sane with things are crazy. So I'm very excited to be here and talk with Tara. So very good, very happy.

3:40 Excellent, And without any further ado, I'd like to introduce our special guest, Twer Roslin. She grew up in Vancouver, in small towns of British Columbia and the Interior. She graduated with a BA acting from the New York University. Soon after, she moved to Toronto and began working in film, television and independ did there. Her on screen credits include roles on Highland or The Raven, Total Recall twenty seventy, The Dresident Files, Crash and Burn, Ransom, The Handmaiden's Tail, and The Expanse. But we all know and love her as Terina from Star Trek to thank thank you very much to the show. So I would like to start out by asking a question that I ask every guest that comes on the show.

4:32 Oh, I thought was fantastic. I particularly enjoyed David gooving to the tunes. The graphics for Fantastic is very fun. Yeah, we'd like. To start off with some fun. So we talked to Doug Jones. I think was it last. Week, the week before the weekend four? Doug Jones? So if he wanted to say hello and yeah, he's. Such a liar. You of course. Well, Doug Jones is probably one of my favorite people on the planet, and I have nothing but good things to say about him. He's well, as you all know, he's an extraordinary actor and human being and it was such a it's such a gift to work with him on Discovery.

5:26 So I wanted to ask. He told me to ask you this question because we asked him last week and he said you would have a better answer for us. So how did how did your whole relationship with Saru develop on the show into an ongoing, reoccurring role. Oh, so this is the story as far as I understand it. Although these stories become theay more right as time goes on, people embellish and add new things and others have different versions. But so initially when I was cast, I think Trina was just supposed to be on one episode, and on that particular episode I think I can't remember was it season three, episodes six or seven. I don't remember which one it was exactly, but I had a fair bit of time on that on that episode with Doug.

6:16 In fact, he was the first person that I acted with when I arrived on set, and thank goodness, because he put me at ease. It was quite intimidating to step on that, to step on the set initially, and we just we really enjoyed working together, and I guess it was apparent to both of. Us and others that there was a chemistry. There was just a natural chemistry, and as far as I know, like we both really enjoyed the time we worked together on that particular I can't remember how many days. It might have been three or four days. And then as far as I know, Doug went to Michelle, the showrunner and said, hmm, do you think this is there's a possibility here for Sabu to have a little bit of romance, and I think Michelle took that to heart, and and that's why, like I think, you know, Doug obviously had a lot of clout being you know, and and so I think that they were they were really interested in following that through on his behalf. And I think it really added a beautiful element to the to the storyline.

7:27 I couldn't agree more. That's one of our what's his version of the story? Is it at all similar? M? It was very similar. He mentioned he mentioned something about falling off the stage when you guys exited the stage and uh, some crashing, and they just kept right on filming, even though he was. All right, yeah, my main apozle brain doesn't remember that, but it's it's entirely possible.

8:09 Yeah, so he yeah, yeah, he said something about, uh, exiting stage left and he fell and you guys were off kind of snickering on the side, and they just kept the film rolling. They they didn't want to cut the scene. And you listen real careful in the background, you might be able to hear that's just falling. M. So he says, yeah, no, it was. It was an incredible surprise and a real delight because as far as I knew, I wasn't coming back. And so when they continued the story into four and season four and five, it particularly four like it was, it was a big surprise for me. So did you I do have a set somewhere, So I don't know. Like the they're they're just like basically made out of glue and you wear every time you every time you shoot, you wear a new pair of ears, and if you're feeling particularly impatient after a particularly long day of shooting, you can, in theory just pull them off, and if you do that, you can in theory take them home. So I might have taken a few sets home. There was some people that specifically asked if they could have us. I think I jokingly sent a set to my agent through the mail. Yeah, so I do. I think I have one left in the back of my bathroom copboard set of ears.

9:39 How long did it take to get into the ears and the hair and the hole? The processing time was three hours, So that was for everything that was for makeup, prosthetics, wigs, and costume. But we would, like you know, there were times where we were called to set at two thirty in the morning, depending if it was a Monday. You know, Mondays generally start quite early, so yeah, but uh, it was always about three hour processing for me, and some people, of course, were much longer. I think Doug and I were comparable in that regard. Yeah. Wow. So who was the practical joker on the set while you were filming brave you up and break.

10:26 You out of character? I don't remember. I think maybe Callum Keith Rennie, but he didn't arrive on the scene until season five. Was he was very much, very mischievous, very fun to be on set with. Like Doug was always funny. He always had us all in stitches and hysterics, but he wouldn't try to like crack us up while we were shooting. He was very professional in that regard. Yeah, I don't really like I could mention people that I've worked with on stage who will deliberately try to corpse you that's the term for making you on stage. But I don't there's somebody on that set that was like up to antics to make you, you know, burst out laughing and recca a take.

11:10 Yeah there was. Yeah, Doug was very funny. Who else was super funny on the I think Doug. Doug took the prize for like you know, well you you interviewed him, he's he's incredibly funny. Yeah, yeah, he absolutely is. What's one of your favorite memories of working on. I don't know, that's a that's a that's a tricky question. There were many scenes that I loved. Most of the scenes that I really really loved working on with the two Hands with Doug because they were just written so beautifully and there was you know, again he's I think because there was a natural rapport between us. It was just such a treat to work with him.

12:00 So I. Some of them were extra special because of what I got to wear, which you know would all my all. My wardrobe was actually pretty insanely gorgeous, So so that was that was a trip and a treat. The sound stage was like really interesting to work on. We didn't I didn't do anything outside of the studio on the sound stage, so I was never I was never uh location, Yeah, I don't. I can't say, like, I can't speak to a favorite memory. Oh I can speak to one that when when we shot the wedding, Doug and I bought an actual wedding cake for the cast. And crew to enjoy at lunch. So that was that was a lot of fun having that reveal and sharing that with everybody, And yeah.

12:51 Yeah, were you guys, Were you guys surprised and shocked when you found out that the show had been canceled? Yeah? Yeah, it was a big surprise, I think for everybody because because as far as we knew we were we were going to go ahead with another season. And I'm not sure, like I know that it happened quite suddenly. I wasn't privy to the first call because I wasn't high ranking enough on the call sheet, but I know, I think Michelle called a zoom called Michelle Paradise just to let you know, like Sinekoa and Doug and everybody know right away before it was public.

13:31 And then I think I was sent an email. I can't remember exactly how it all went down, but yeah, certainly and really disappointed because you know, was it. There was so many things about that show that made it delicious to work on. Like the material was fun, the characters were fun. The entire cast it was it was composed of like insanely beautiful humans. The crew was super supportive and really lovely, like it was just a true joy to go to work, which isn't always the case when you step on a set. So I think we were all very disappointed. Plus, you know, we've seen the show through the pandemic, which was not easy by any start of the imagination to be you know, wearing your mask through rehearsal and then and you know, staying isolated and all that jazz.

14:19 So yeah, it was very disappointing. Well, thank you so much. I'm gonna I'm going to pass the microphone over to. Questions. You can see everybody. It might be one of those things where the if you slide the screen over if you're on the phone, well you know you're you're you're actually getting like a gift. So it's like the Internet is doing you a favor because you know a lot of times they'll say, you know, you have a voice for radio, friend right, but not for television. So but I just want to say, I'm a tremendous fan of your work and the craft of acting in general is something I'm very enthusiastic about. And you can always tell when there's somebody who shows up a show like this and they've got that stage background and I'm assuming you were classically trained, right, because you just kind of exude Yeah.

15:29 I mean I went to when I went to your university, that was all a studying theater. And I think that I've said this to many people. I think that the show is very well suited to people that have trained in theater because the text is so dense and you need such to be so grounded and so committed to the text to lift it. And so yeah, thank you those kind words to share. And you know, you watch there's so much chaos happening in any particular episode of Discovery, right, There's so many you know, exciting moments and hyperbolic occurrences, and the plot is just you know, dialed up to eleventh so often.

16:15 Right. But what I loved about your character is in the midst of all those things that we see, you had such strength of resolve and projected such a marvelous calm. But I don't think we normally were used to seeing on the show. I just thought that was really grounding, you know. And even folks who were you know, take a take a show like you know, Strange New Worlds for example, where they you know, take vulcan logic and play very loosely with it, right, And I felt like you didn't do that. You kept such strength about the way you chose to depict that that character. And I'm just did you do a lot of comparing with other vulcan interpretations. I mean, that's a long wind did you know question to ask anybody? But I'm just I'm just curious.

17:00 It was a particular uhursor that was. No. I didn't want to go down that rabbit hole too deeply, because one is always I mean, you're intimidated by, you know, the legend of these people and or the legacy of them, and. I think you can. You know, you might tend to borrow too much, so I you know, like I'm I'm I'm familiar with Spock right, like I there's But what I did was I actually the calm that you're speaking to, I siphoned Trina or or I I I approached her through a filter of of Buddhism, because the whole practice of the Buddhist is it's not that you don't you don't experience things on an emotional level, but you work above the emotional world and move into the into the realm of the mind.

17:59 And I thought that that was I thought that that was that that particular approach worked for me in terms of approaching a vulcan, that made sense to my actor, to my actor's sensibility. Yeah, I thought it worked beautifully though, because there was that it wasn't like, these are not people who don't have emotions, but they regulate them and they're in control of the and they're able to stay on top of it. So too, there was a scene, Sorry to interrupt, but there was a scene that Trina had with Booker and and he's asking her for advice after he's experienced a huge his huge personal loss, and she does literally say, it's not that we don't experience emotion, it's just that we we practice we practice basically meditation. Yeah, so that's that's why all that kind of approach made sense to me.

19:01 Now it's just such a bright spot and on the show for me, your character, I mean, it was just really very indelible and just striking, and when you were on screen, it was impossible. I love I heard playing with her like I loved playing that part she was like to feel that strength and to feel that the conviction of her and that the power, the quiet power of her was. Was really lovely to for me to sit in that skin. I really. Yeah, that was phenomenal work. And I want to make sure that we give all of our other trucks berts a chance tim in here. But I did just one other brief question about that power that I've been dying to ask, is Trina is a leader. She's a form a formidable position, right, She's got such authority and a lot of kind of chaotic uncertain times in terms of where the show is set. And I'm wondering, did you mid well any part of her as a leader off of any you know, leaders you admire in the real world, any particular leadership.

20:07 That's a really good question. No one in particular. So the lunch big letdown, that's such a you know what, I bet you I could go back through my rolodex and go, I bet it was it was influenced by this person or I was there was an impression left by that person. But off the top of my head, there's no specific individual that I that I modeled her her on. You. I wish we had a world so mad right now. It's you know, like we're all navigating such a crazy time on this planet. And yeah, yeah, we uh.

20:50 So, I like to think that perhaps you, in your portrayal maybe created an example for future presidents. He's watched it scabby towards leadership. I'd like to think there's young women out there that will choose to move into leadership because of what they saw in your performance. And I think that's that's how I choose to focus on that. But again, it was a remarkable formance, and I hope that we get to see you in some other aspect of Star Trek in the future, because your work is just splendid. I can see my co host Trexpert friend. V flapping I'm not flapping my arms. Well, it looks like you're trying to take flight me.

21:32 I'm just sitting here. I'm just sitting here, trying to not know. It's just it's my my ADHD that I'm trying to sit still and not look like a total freak. Those are just your eyebrows moving very dramatically. It's okay, all right, I'm going to withdraw a friend. You take it from here. Gosh, wait to you know, set me up, Paul, Thanks for that. See, I was going to be all dignified and ask wonderful questions and all that now it's just totally gone out of my head. No, I know it all in all serious. I love these guys. I mean they're just I only joined. It'll be It'll be a year the end of May, won't it. Yeah, I think when I joined. So but anyway, no, I echo what Paul said because I've got a theater background and I love seeing the actors who I can tell have that that classical training, that Shakespearean feeling about them, and so you definitely portrayed that. And you're one of those one of Terina's one of those characters that I just look at and I want to emulate. And that goes along with you know, Jane Way and seven of nine later on when she's debordified, then on DS nine with both Dax's and.

23:00 Us. So it was just such a delight to to see you and you just you just embodied that character. You just were, It just exuded you. Just Terina just through you exuded that power and that calm and then also of course the chemistry with Doug. And because you can see shows where you can tell that the actors are not really you know, connected, but you two definitely were, and like like uncle Jim said, Doug said nothing but wonderful things about you, and he was not a liar. He is you, you know, he's such a genuine person. But so I was it was interesting with with Charina that there were two things that were very that were well, one thing that was rather non Vulcan about her is that there's she is capable of lying, which Vulcans are kind of not supposed to do, or they, I guess are against it because there was a situation. I forget which planet it was, but Trina comes up with this makes up the scenario. So was there any sort of was that something that the writers just wanted to take her out of that Vulcan you know, the Vulcan parameters and just you know, give her that interesting.

24:22 Sorry, I don't remember what you're referring to. I'm trying. I'm trying to forget that it was the we should have gotten more details, huh. So for the life of me, you know, my memories, my memory is generally very good. My husband always he gets he gets so angry because I can remember my sides, like when we have auditions. I can memorize my sides like that, and it takes him forever or he's able to at all. But for the life of me, like, there's things that I can't remember when I go back over over a body of work or a play that I've worked on it, So you're probably right, I just don't remember.

25:03 Does anyone else remember what? That's what. I think what it might be is there was a season five makes up a story about. When she's negotiating, and I think it was like, yeah, and it was like basically kind of like, you know, you're trying to put the I think if I remember it right, the issue of the larger goal. Of the truth. Yeah, maybe maybe she was just very strategically negotiating something that was very tricky. So maybe perhaps it wasn't an entire on truth. She just chose her words very carefully in terms of dealing with the enemy. Perhaps I'm not Yeah, yeah.

25:59 That's so, that's okay. I just I found it interesting, you know, because that that uh Terarina did that, but also with her relationship with Seru, because Tarina is the one who is basically proposed. Correct I remember that, and so. Okay, good, good good. So because we've seen in the past the different types of aliens, if you will, and not all of them are always compatible. Like with uh jed Zia and wharf Had, you know, they were trying to have a child, but the two species didn't always work together. But with Ceru, what was what was the I guess the defining moment if you can remember that Terina said, I just I have to be with this this individual for the rest of my life.

27:00 H I think it was after he'd been away on a mission, wasn't it, And he came back after being away for quite a long time. And and because both of them had, you know, they had to to walk this fine line of private versus public, or professional versus private, and and I think at that point she realized just how much he meant to her, and that she wasn't really willing to sacrifice the love between them or you know, her her personal life for the professional and so to make space for that and room for that moving forward, Yeah, yeah, because.

27:42 That was that was just just so beautiful and just as a romantic I guess anybody that's romantic, I don't see how anybody couldn't have gotten choked up over that because it was just so sweet. Yeah. So just oh yeah, and it's. That that was just. That was the writing was so lovely, like it was such an old fashioned sweet romance. It was it was really really fun to play the scenes that they wrote for us. And I think a whole element of that situation too is that like Saru was so so shy, right and sore, so maybe Trina was like, I'll just cut to the chase because.

28:28 Well. And it also shows that love transcends time and you know, it's it's something that's liberal timeless, and so it's nice to know that there is romance still in the thirty second century. But one last question, so with regard because you've probably seen all the per fluffle about Starfleet Academy being canceled, and I know you had the shock of having Discovery canceled and they only they had just finished putting season two in the can have you do you have any sort of relationship with any of the actors that were on that and like as a sounding board for them, because that had to be a shock, you know, some of them were this was like their first major role and then this we loved it, by the way. It was such a lovely show too. And I know Discovery had took a while to get its footing, but Starfleet Academy wasn't even allowed to do that, and so just made a lot of us still makes a lot of us sad. But have you had any conversations.

29:43 With me, well, aside from the fact that there's a man who lives in town who was working on the show, I'm not sure in what capacity. He was in some kind of administrative role and he was My husband recently saw him at a party and he was very upset. He was, Yeah, I think he was, you know, I don't I've heard rumors, but like, did somebody buy the network that. Wasn't Like, yeah, there's there's a lot of I guess the safe way to say, there's a lot of speculation, but there were lots of there were lots of not so nice comments online, and there was a lot of like age shaming, body shaming, everything shaming, and so it was very unfortunate. And as you know, star Trek is is it's all about you know, infinite verstechnical examinations and mm hmm. But one thing is for sure that you and Saru definitely embodied that so and just gave us just a lot In fact, I need to go back and watch where Terina proposes to.

30:52 Him again and just probably you know, just Y, I've done the past years, so it's been pretty. Pretty well. I mean, it's crazy for all of us. But like the film and TV industry and the theater industry are really struggling right now. So my husband and I have pretty much been in full full hustle mode. And like I've been you know, I've been doing a bit of directing, I've been doing a bit of acting. I've been doing so I haven't I haven't actually watched the show, like I haven't watched very much TV, and I have to you know, I haven't kept up with what was happening at all. So I'm really sorry to hear that. That's that's that's really sad. That's really disheartening. Yeah, mm hmm, but you know, mm hmmm.

31:39 Well, I'm gonna I'm gonna stop. I'm not flapping my arms anymore. So I will pass it. Thanks again, Paul, So I will pass it on to who wants to be next Eric or Charles or mixed. Okay, all right, excellent, I think well, good evening. One of the things that I one of the things that caught my attention on you was When talking with Doug, he talked a little. He mentioned having a theatrical background and I'm just curious about some of the work you've done in the theater. It sounds like you're doing something. Yeah, I mean I've been kind of I call it lucky in my career that I've been able to do boats.

32:24 I think it's tricky because the timelines are very different, like film and TV kind of books you for tomorrow and theater books you for six months two year in advance. So it's it's where I live and Iagua in the lake. There's a very big theater festival called the Shop Festival, and it's actually three theaters in this sleepy, sleepy, little tourist town. So I've done a number of seasons at the Show Festival and I've been very lucky during my time here. Initially, I came under the previous artistic director, Jackie Maxwell, who gave me lots of beautiful parts to play, like Saint Joan or Eliza Doolittle or Alice in Wonderland or so I I yeah, I had delicious things to play.

33:10 I've also done a couple of seasons at the Stratford Festival, which is about two and a half hours away. So I've worked. I have done Shakespeare. You're right, it was in Yeah, my first time there. I played violin twelfth Night and played Lysander in midsummer Night's Dream. Yeah, so I've done the festivals. I also did when I first got out of school, I did a lot of indie theater in Toronto, where you do like really bizarre, absurd plays in church basements and parks, and like, I've kind of done it all, and now I'm actually trying to forge a career in directing theater. So in twenty twenty four, I did what's called the intern directorship here at the Shaw Festival, where you are just you assistant direct on two plays and then you direct a one act.

34:03 Play of your own. And I found that really really you know, challenging, rewarding, exciting, exhilarating, all those things. But again, like right now, there's a serious drought and so even super established directors are having difficulty getting work, never mind people that are just starting out in their mid fifties. So I've been lucky. I've got some stuff coming up, and I've I've done a little bit, but yeah, like right now I'm doing it all. I'm teaching yoga, I'm trying to line up directing jobs. I'm auditioning for film and TV. It's some theater acting comes I'll do it. Like it's like you know, which which hat do I wear?

34:45 Today? Which is something you know when you start out there's lots of excitement and anticipation and commitment and and motivation, but you don't exactly anticipate yourself a third years into your career in full hustle mode, zero security. You wouldn't. You wouldn't do anything else, right, Like, it's just like, you know, so I have it. We have a seventeen year old and and so like we're trying to do all the things, and and it keeps, keeps things exciting, keeps life, keeps, keeps you on your toes.

35:27 Okay, here's one final question, kind of loaded with it. What was your favorite favorite favorite stage show you've done, And what's one that you with the way you've always wanted to act in or one you wanted. To direct, my favorite play to act in. That's it. That's such a hard question because they all they all become labors of love. They have to otherwise it's really really hard to get on the stage. I can tell you that I've really loved working with a specific director named Peter Hinton, who is, as far as I'm concerned, he's He's a visionary, bit of a genius, and he has an incredible esthetic and an incredible work ethic. And we did a beautiful play here at the Shaw called When the Rain Stops Falling, which was actually it was written by Andrew Bovella. I believe it was a film as well. This descript is very cinematic about generations and what you inherit. Yeah, the legacy, whether it's whether it's light or very very dark. And in this particular circumstances, the inheritance was very dark, the genealogy.

36:36 But you know, like I loved playing what I love playing Saint Joan. I got to play Saint Joan. That was That was amazing. I would have loved to have played Blanche Dubois. I love Tennessee Williams. I love all the dysfunction, I love all the poetry. I want to direct all his plays. I yeah, anything anything Williams. Like I did get to do Laura and Glass Menagerie a long time ago, and I adored, adored that. Pardon I adore that play. Yeah, I think I think that's that's a that's a good answer. Hey, that.

37:17 Perfect answer to me. I'm a theater buff. I love getting a live theater, and in fact, one of them I used to. I used to travel for years going out to the Utah Shakespeare Festival, which is a small college town, but it's a fabulous about several Shakespearean plays. And Broadways top plays every year. So I just and then my local stuff that they do. Thank you very much. I love the answers, David. I think I got a good question. Yeah, alright, so, uh well, welcome to a show. And I just had a quick question about your past work. Okay, you've done in some other TV shows. I noticed that you worked in a show called Tech Wars, and I was wondering what was like.

38:16 Oh that was I think that was. I think that was my first professional gig. That was a long time ago, so I would have been in my that was like thirty years ago. I didn't actually really get to meet him. I like I. He was on set, but we didn't work together. I was playing the daughter of a politician. I believe that's correct. Yeah, yeah, sorry, another lunch, Big letdown. It's okay, I was.

38:58 I have seen him. So I saw him, uh when I was the last in Vegas and and yeah, yeah, you know, said hello and try not to bother him too much. Cool. So I did have one more question. I noticed that I an IMDb paid mentioned something about that you were working to get some sort of liked Oh. Huh, so my bio is clearly very old. Well when I, uh no when, so, I guess I was forty. I think I was about forty five. I started studying piano and I and I was very very committed for about four years. And I did my grade six exam, so I didn't get to grade eight, but I did, like I would practice an hour to two hours a day and then I and then I think I got to the point where I was like, I can't keep this up. This is where ridiculous. And instead of just practicing fifteen or twenty minutes.

40:04 To day, I just stopped playing. So unfortunately I haven't been playing the piano. But I loved it. My mom My mom is actually a music therapist, So I grew up with music around me all the time. Yeah, yeah, nice, uh huh. Yeah. My family loved music, so do you play music question? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll try to update my bio. Okay, yeah, okay, well a Vulcans would say, okay, and I'm going to send us over the air.

40:56 Hi, Tara, you've you're almost running the gauntlet of trexperts here. Hopefully you're having a good time now. Yeah, I just want to echo some of what some of the other trexports have said in terms of the sweetness of the relationship between Tina and Saru. It was something that really hit me about the show they I One of the things I said to Doug was that I thought it was a great example of what a really healthy relationship looks like. And I think the more that we can display that type of stuff on television alongside all the other stuff we get, right, the more we can put that out into the universe, so to speak, I think the better off will be. And so thank you for being a positive, you know, part of that relationship contra television. Yeah, I am curious now that you're you're done with Star Trek, do you maintain any sort of connection to the Star Treks.

41:57 The only person well know, there's a couple. So whenever I'm in Vancouver, I always look up Taila because I Chaila is in She's another really beautiful human and I loved working with her. It was very brief, so I will hang out with her and text her from time to time. And I message Dug from time to time as well. But that's about it. Like, yeah, I think that's uh. Those are the only two people that I keep in touch with regularly or somewhat regularly. Yeah. Oh, David, David Thomlinson, he. Lives in Toronto's the sweetest well he and Doug. Yeah, he's a lovely, lovely human. So from time to time we contact each other as well.

42:47 That's fantastic. Well, no, you did not know them soon before Star Trek right, so that yeah, yeah, uh did you? So you know three of us on the podcast here are We live in Portland, so we're part of this you know, Pacific Northwest culture. I was actually going to Seattle, but I grew up yeah, all over Vancouver, well, Oliver, BC, mostly Vancouver. Yeah, okay, Well, greetings from the Pacific Northwest. I know a lot of us really like it up here. I know you're out in Ontario now. I've actually got some family out there too, and that's also a very beautiful part of North America as well. Uh okay, So pivoting away, I guess a little bit from Star Trek. I want to ask you about another sci fi franchise which you just sort of glanced by, but you did get to participate in. You were in an episode of The Expanse and I know that that is a television series and a series of books that mean a lot to you know, two people, and they they really dig on and so I just wanted to ask you about your experience.

43:54 How did you get involved on that? What was it like being on the set? Uh? You know, was it like, I. Wasn't that long? I think it was. I think it was a couple of days. Was it Agent Adams or I remember? Uh yeah, Well it was a bit stressful because I was speaking mumbo jumbo, you know, like all that technical sci fi mumbo jumble that I was trying. I think she had a bit of a monologue, so I was like, oh my god, god, you know this, this was this That was nice? What else can I tell you about it? That was a good experience. Yea, yeah, it was quite a while ago, and I think there was only just a couple of days, one in the boardroom and one in a kind of a group meeting or something in an auditorium, I think, yeah, yeah.

44:45 Okay, okay, well thanks for that. I guess what I'll do is I'll kind of pivot over to life. So I always like to kind of step outside of your professional career and just ask you a little bit about what you like to do, so you know, if you have I know, you say you have no free time right now because you're you're working the system right now, try to you know, But if you do have free time and you're just sort of chilling by yourself on a weekend. Oh well, I love walking my dog. I love being outside. I'm a bit of an environmentalist, So I and and and was really grateful that we were here during the pandemic because there's tons of green space. I don't any of you familiar with Niagro on the lake. Yeah, yeah, so it's very, you know, relatively small town is growing crazily right now. But yeah, so lots of woods, lots of green space. Yeah, love walking the dog. What else do I like to do? I like hanging with my daughter when she'll let me, but she's seventeen.

45:43 So sometimes when I. Get there and and well, you know, but when I can, I do, because I've only got a year and a half longer with her before she heads off into wherever she goes to study it. Because whenever I suggest a gap here, she tells me no because she'll fall behind whatever that means. So I think I think she's set to depart. What else do I do? I ride my bike a lot. I like to uh make things with botanicals. I don't mean like I'm not talking about like smoking and testing. At one point I wanted to open a botanical cafe where you could like decorate things, decorate cupcakes with violets and lilacs and yeah, and if I'm if I'm feeling common enough, I like to read you know, it's uh yeah, mm hmm. You know what, even though I claim to be an environmentalist, my husband's a gardener.

46:58 So yeah, yeah, he's actually been out the past couple of days. He's been tending to all the plants, putting new things in the ground. I think he planted garlic so that will be exciting to the harvest. Yeah, tis the time of year. Well, I you know, one other person sort of mentioned. I think the fact that I think actresses like you who play just really strong characters and who embody their characters really strongly are a great example, especially for young women out there who are maybe coming up in the industry. And I'm just wondering if.

47:38 You, you know, if you had to give one piece of advice to a young aspiring actress out there, you know, she's trying to figure out what to do, where to go, how to get into the business. Is there any piece of advice that you would offer to that person to help them succeed. There's a couple of things. But what I'll say is because it's I can sorry, I can hear myself on the feedback because I'm navigating this currently right now, is you can manifest. If you put things out into the universe, you can manifest your dreams. I do also say that only act if there's nothing else you want to do, because it's not easy. And like you know, right now, my husband and I were just talking, the industry is so slow. So we've like done you know, thirty he's done even more auditions with no bookings, Like it's really it gets really really hard, and there's no security and all that stuff I was talking about earlier.

48:44 So only do it if there's nothing else you want to do. But but put it out there, put your dreams out into the universe. And and I've witnessed or I've I've experienced the universe responding responding to that. Yeah. If it sounds it sounds like hokey pokey, but I'm. Really yeah, it's beautiful people of manifesting things in our life. I truly believe that. Yah. Yeah, And I think there's I mean, I think there's good scientific evidence for that. You know. I think, you know, people invent the things that they're thinking about. And so if they're thinking about positive things and they're thinking about the person next to them, and they're thinking about responsibility.

49:34 To go to yeah, to survive. I think we all really need to consider that right now, about how we create our own reality through the power of our mind. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, Wow, what a what a great way to do that. Orson of the interview, Thank you so much, Tara. That was fantastic. I am manifesting all of the good things right now. It was very lovely to talk to you. Thank you so much for being you and for playing such a cool character in Star Trek that so many people could. Okay with.

50:14 Daughter realize. Me and my husband like, she's like, yeah, we're We're She has no interest in being an artist, I think because she's seen the way that we live, although she did do theater when she was young and she has stage presents, like she's beautiful on stage, but she's not at all. No. I think she's more kind of embarrassed by her artsy parents. Plus the fact that. We're probably significantly older because I had Eliana when I was thirty nine, so we're significantly older than most of her friend's parents. So we're just like she's like staying. No, when she's older, she'll realize how cool we are, you know, in retrospect, she'll be like, yeah, damn, damn, my parents are really cool.

51:02 But no, she mm, well, if I can say, being an older mother myself, yes she will. She will come to the point where she says, wow, my parents are awesome, and that will make hopefully make up for ignoring you. And I also have to say, like, you know, as a as a mother, what you get witnessing their evolution and seeing what a good, what a what an incredible person she is I'm like, you know, if we're two such losers, we wouldn't be capable of creating such a great being. Stuck on that kid, like.

51:43 That's true, it's evidence of your awesomeness. Again, little biased, she's mine, but yeah they're good, good human yeah. Hh yeah that comes from somewhere. So I goes to you and your husband. Yeah, so would you talk a little bit about Yeah. So the thing with I mean, I think Star Trek and a number of shows they don't often go under their own name, so of course there's like some kind of I think it was called Tennessee Honey. I can called and said, you have an audition for a show called Tennessee Honey, but it's really Star Trek. And then uh, yeah, So I did a good old fashioned audition and the sides weren't even accurate. I think they wrote bogus sides because they just wanted to see who was out there.

52:42 It was for an admiral, she wasn't a vulcan. So I did the audition and then my agent called and he said, uh, they want to they're wondering if you'll come in. For a some kind of a test. And at that point I hadn't been offered anything or booked anything, and I was like, okay, I guess so, even though it was pretty vague. I think it might have been about the prosthetics or something. I'm not sure. So I was heading into the city for this meeting or whatever. And by the time I got there, my age and called me and said you've been offered the part. I was like, okay, great, and then sorry, that's my dog.

53:23 She's very my. Dog, Molly. But it wasn't until I got the script. Like you know, a week before you shoot, you get the script and then I and then I'm like, oh my god, I'm I'm I'm I'm the leader of the like I'm a leader of a I'm a vulcan. I'm a. And I will want. To say, oh my god, I have all these I got to learn all these lines and I so it was quite a big surprise when I got the script. In terms of I always find that very puzzling as an actor. It's it's like the people, the people, the powers that be, think somehow that the less information they give us the better, when it's in fact the opposite, like the more informed we are the better job too, Like you know anyway, So it was all a fantastic surprise.

54:12 But yeah, it was a pretty standard generic audition process, although when I did go on set, because at that point they were still doing table reads because now it's still it's the it's a holdover from the pandemic there a lot of them are on Zoom still. The director for that episode was Oh don't feel me now, memory John. He was the editor for a series I. Had just worked on called Impulse, So I think that he he either vouched for me, or he asked for me to audition, or he had some kind of influence in terms of me me me auditioning for that part because he was directing that episode.

54:55 John John Dukowski, Is that right? M hm, Well that's what the Internet's given me right now. And editor Star Trek Discovery Sawski, Yes, okay, I thought you said that's right. He's a super lovely guy, really really lovely guy. Yeah, So that there was that that was there was that tie over for me. Okay. So we have a question from our chat room, Uh, real quick here, what was the one.

55:38 Of the most challenging scenes that you had to shoot on Star Trek Discovery. Hm hmm, most challenging scenes. I mean, I was pretty intimidated when I had to do a mind meld, just kind of getting out of my own mind. Uh. And that's a that's a thing that I did do a little bit of research for and found out that in fact, there are there are different kinds of fingerings when people when the Volcans do my melds, and it's difficult.

56:18 Hm hmm. I can that's a good question. I can say when I felt robbed, and that was in the last episode that I did. In season five, and they didn't do the whole wedding, that was difficult. Yeah, I'm sorry. I don't have like something that comes to mind right away on that. Yeah, it was pretty when we when I read the script, I was like, really, we just get a bit of the reception. But yeah, you know, time, time, his money, so they say, yeah, yeah.

57:06 Well one more question. Oh. I loved working with him. I only got to work with him once the Legendary because he's an actor's director, so like off and on set, I find that you don't get a lot of direction. There's mostly technical. It's about in terms of the frame and every once in a while a director will actually come and talk to you about what you're playing or what you're doing in the scene. And Jonathan was definitely one of those people and so passionate about the work and super warm, super funny. He was a delight. He was a treat to work with. Yeah, excellent. And with that, all right, we're done. We made it.

57:54 A pleas. It was lovely to me while and yeah, yeah. Yes, yes, thank you. Ross, Thanks, thank you, good night. All right, So there we have it, guys. Let's see. Let me get to my notes, and I believe. Yeah, so we're gonna dive right into our fan shout outs. I believe that we have Eric for a little bit here, don't we.

58:34 We do not know. I'm gonna go ahead and let Paul take these ones. I'm sorry, I have to bust out of here, guys, but I'm going to see some theater tonight. So thank you, thank you so much. I will talk to you guys soon. We'll see fans. Thanks for doing us by. All right, Paul, when I just you're gonna you're gonna jump in and get us started out of our fan shout outs for this week. Okay, what you like, friends, That works for me. I'll jump right in here because I know time. Is money, as our guests just explained. So first of all, let's say hello to a fan, Martin van Ogtur and in the Netherlands, because you know what, We've got fans all over the place that love not just Star Trek but science fiction. So Martin is saying hello to us from the Netherlands, flag probably displayed there.

59:22 Great to know that you're out there, Martin. Our guests just came from Canada, is where she hails from originally, and here from province unnamed, we have Eric Brunette Brunet. More likely it is my guest from Canada. Great to hear from you on the bottom of the planet though they think they're on top, because you know, it's all matter of perspective. Right in Australia, Sandra Simmons is saying hello to us, So Hello, Sandra. Great to hear that you're down there in Australia where things get really interesting, all kinds of wild adventures at your door there. And in France we have Nader Hashemane there. I hope I'm pronouncing your name properly there, Nadir, but it's great to hear from you as well. I have some other ones down the road here, I'll get to real quickly. In Franconia, Germany.

1:00:12 I love the name of that Franconia. It just sounds phenomenal. Klaus Conibauer is saying hello, proudly displaying his love of all things Navarre and Vulcan. There glat to hear from you, Klaus. I think this next one is also in Germany as well. My flag fluency is a little fuzzy today, if you will. But Tony Lawless is saying hello to us from her Zebirga, and I'm pretty sure that's Germany as well. I'll have to check that out later. Sorry, I'm thrust into this unprepared. Usually we're so prepared on this podcast tonight, I'm letting everyone down. Terrible, terrible, terrible example, in Corkiano in Italy, it's Agnes Kunyik is saying hello. Kunyik sounds more like a German name. So you have a very international, osmopolitan mix of people in different nationalities that love science fiction.

1:01:03 Isn't that amazing? But Agnes Kunyuk is saying hello. And then finally for me here from the great Land of Serbia, Alexander Keith is saying Hello, Hello, Alexander. It's great to hear from you, and thanks again for letting us know, friends, wherever you may be, whatever longitude or latitude that you straddle, that you are fans of Star Trek and science fiction. It is comforting in these crazy times to know that there are folks all over the planet who have a lot in common. And I think that that's a gratifying message. So I'm going to pass that back over to u V. And I know you've got a lot of arm flapping fans that you want to be able to say hello. Well, I remember reported I calmed down. Yeah, this is a lot of broadcast, so just you know, don't.

1:01:53 Rattle, all right. I have to be serious now because I am so thankful for these folks who have said hello to us from wherever they live and they hopefully watch the podcast. But first, I have Matthew Leone who is hailing from Miami, and he says he watched the original series reruns every day on Channel six after school, So that's wonderful, Thank you, Matthew. Next, and a part of the world that I want to go to and possibly live in, Renee Litorno says hello to us from Massachusetts, beautiful state, the whole New England area I'm in love with. So hello to you, Renee.

1:02:39 Then Joey Turman, who is saying hello to us from Texas and that's a great, big, beautiful state as well. And then last but not least, hello from Michael Seuss, who is from Indianapolis, Indiana. So thank you so much for that. And so now I passed the I was gonna say flaming birthday, Campbell, but that's not it past the baton. If you will over to Charles, flap it over. To Oh we got up. We got a baton. Yeah that I flap that, I flap over to you.

1:03:21 Okay, it's flapping around. Okay, let's start off right here in Vegas. Welcome Amy Meo chick from right here in Las Vegas. And I looked it up and she's a member of the USS wind Runner in town. I do a little bit with the wind Runner, but a lot more with the USS Las Vegas. But welcome Amy, Welcome Chris Herron from Tennessee. Welcome Chris and ChRI. Oh and I got Chris from Chris Aaron from Athens, Tennessee. So I got Tennessee and Athens, Tennessee. Okay, hey, well, Chris is out there and welcome Lee Copeland from Portsmouth, Virginia. Welcome Lee, Jim got anybody from New York.

1:04:13 Uh not this week, but close close. We want to say hello and thank you to Jerry Row who's listening to us right now in Indiana, USA. Thank you and welcome to the show, Jerry Row. We also want to say hello and thank you to Joey Denz who's listening to us in laurd Next, we have Kevin Hurle, started as a TOS fan three years old from Pfunk, New Jersey, Yo. Dog. Thank you to Kevin from New Jersey. And last, but not least on my list, we want to say hello and thank you to Warene rosen Kranz who was listening to us from outside of Philadelphia. He A, I gotta say.

1:04:55 The Phillies are doing worse than the Mets, and that's that's hard to believe, but it is true. I feel your pain, Wayne, I feel your pain. All right, guys. So, unfortunately we don't have Eric with us tonight, so we are gonna roll right into our sci fi birthday as soon as we get our our video.

1:05:39 That was not a clean song. Okay, Normally we would have Eric do our remembrances, So this week we're gonna shake things up a little bit and we're gonna have Charles do our remembrances. So take it away, Charles. Oh thank you. I'm not sure I can cover as well as Eric, but I'll do my best with this flaming candell. Let's start off the Happy Birthday. Jill Ireland, who passed away in the nineteen ninety at age fifty four, was an English actress who played Leah come Colombe in Star Trek, the original series first season episode This Side of Paradise.

1:06:20 She was married to the actor Charles Branson. A remembering Happy Birthday to Vic Perlin, passed away seven in nineteen eighty nine at seventy three. Played Vun in TOS second season episode Mirror Mirror, which was a metron voice and arena and the chaindling. Quite a few roles in TOS. Definitely a good one here. A Happy Birthday to Madge Sinclair passed through at fifty seven, Jamaica born actress who played the Captain the USU Areatoga and Start a Trick four, The Voyage Home and Captain Sylvia the Forge in TNG's seventh season episode Interface.

1:07:12 Happy Birthday to. Leslie Jordan's actress musician writer who played Call in Voyager Thursday and episode False Prophecies. He was born in Memphis, Tennessee, on the same day as Voyager co star Kateen McGrew, and grew up in Chattanooga. So nice that she could she gets it. He gets to celebrate a good birthday with her. I bet you she's on a list somewhere. Happy Birthday, Gavin O'Hurley. It was an actress who played Jebbin the in Voyager's first season episode Caretaker. He is best known for his role as Chuck Cunningham in the first seasons of Happy Days.

1:07:58 Okay, I forgot put on the list, and some of the fans on our Facebook page called me out on it, and I couldn't get the change made in time for tonight's podcast. But he also played Eric in Willow and I. Forgot to put that on there, and I apologize and thank you to the fans that caught that called me out on that. So well, you could have snuck that in the notes, Jim. But all right, all right, so I think, well. I'm going to take this nice candle and carefully pass it over the v so she doesn't drop the candle. Thanks, I feel, and she's gonna enjoy her first birthday.

1:08:45 Yes, I am now Chuck Cunningham. That was the famous sibling of of Richie Cunningham that went upstairs one time and he never returned. So the child that disappeared of the Cunningham family. That was a little weird fun fact. But I'm going to say Happy birthday to Jack Quaid, the actor who voiced Brad Boimler in Lower Decks. He reprised the role in one of my favorite episodes on Strange New Worlds, those Old Scientists. And he is the son of two wonderful actors. Dennis Quaid is his dad and Meg Ryan is his mom. I feel old because I remember when he was born. So Boemler is definitely one of my favorite characters. Next, Happy birthday to Emily Ann bergie Is. She's the actress who played Bethany in the enterprise third season episode north Star. She was born in Milton Keynes, Buckinghamshire, England, to an English father and an Irish mother. Next day, Happy birthday to Olivia Berkland.

1:10:07 She portrayed engineer Marla Gilmour on Voyager fifth and six season episodes Equinox and Equinox Part Two, very intense episodes. Next to Happy Birthday goes to Michael Rivkin, who played Damon Nunk in the Voyager seventh season episode Inside Man. Next to Happy Birthday goes to Douglas m war Hit, he played Cazago in the Star Trek Next Generation first season episode The Battle, and then Happy Birthday to Harry Shum Junior. He's a Costa Rican actor who voiced raw Da in the Lower Decks third season episode Mathematically Perfect Redemption did a great job in that he was hilarious.

1:11:02 And then last but not least in Somebody who I got to meet last year, and my head almost exploded because she is a legend, The one and only. Kate Mulgrew, of course, best known for playing Captain Catherine Janeway on Voyager End Prodigy. Since stepping into the role of a Starfleet captain, she's been part of the main cast in the series Orange is the New Black, for which she received an Emmy nomination her Outstanding Supporting Actress in a Comedy Series. So Happy Birthday to all of those wonderful, wonderful people. And next I flap the birthday candle over to Paul, to which people a happy flappy birthday.

1:11:53 All I can say is flay. Hey, yes tomorrow, tomorrow, yes, yes, all right, excellent. Very cool. All right, let's go. We got a bunch of them here. First of all sci fi luminary Gina Torres, who is known to us for her work on Zoe Washburn, on Firefly and of course the subsequent theatrical movie Serenity. Okay, absolutely great work there. We just recently learned that she's going to be rejoining the entire living cast of Firefly to bring the show back as a radio program, as an animated program. Sorry, I got radio on the brain after our interviewer tonight, but as redoing it voice work for the animated version of Firefly that's in development right now.

1:12:45 So very excited to have more adventures with Mal and Zoe Washburn, which will be great. She's done tons and tons of great work besides that show. Though. She played Jessica Pearson on the series Suits, which is very popular spin off Serious Pearson. I remember she had an in double role on a show called The Shield if there are a lot of crime afficionados, you should definitely check out The Shield. Her work on there was really great too. Happy birthday to Becky Wallstrom, actress who played Vissi and co Jenitor in the Enterprise second season episode titled aptly pro Jenitor. What a coincidence, but there you have it. So very very cool. Happy birthday, Becky Wallstrom.

1:13:26 Happy birthday to John Vargas, the actor who played Jetta in Star Trek two The Wrath of Khan and Tao in Voyager's fourth season episode concerning flight. Who was Jeda? You may be asking in the Wrath of Khan? Whenever you mentioned the Wrath of Khn, people's eyes light up. Which character is? Well, that was one doctor Carol Marcus's assistance on the Regular one space station, so a fellow scientist if I remember correctly. So very very cool to be able to have a Wrath of Khan on your CV. There also was on the X File spin off The Lone Gunman, which was a pretty terrific show, short lived but very interesting in its own rights. So a lot of us are X Files fans for sure. Happy birthday, John Vargas. Happy birthday also to Lisa Wilcox asked at just slap Me. Actress who played Utah in the Next Generation third season episode The Vengeance Factor. Hailing from Columbia, Missouri, she's also known for playing Alice Johnson in Nightmare on Elm Street four, The dream Master, and Nightmare on Elm Street five, The dream Child. All kinds of Nightmare on Elm Street. Work going on there, Lisa Wilcox, So, happy birthday to you, big fan of this next luminary here who is great to be able to celebrate. Happy birthday goes out to Mary McDonald stage film television actress, who of course received Chademy Award nominations for her roles as Stands with the Fist in Dances with Wolves and Mary

1:14:58 Alice Colhaney in paston Fish. She's also known for her performances as President Laura Roslin, Oh yeah, Battlestar Galactica, A very very awesome role on there. She was basically it's that situation where she was one of the last, you know, members of the cabinet left alive. She was the Education secretary all right, who got ended up promoted to president because no one else was left alive after the sylum of that, and man, could we use having a legit education secretary as president? Not the one we have now, thank you very much, but one who actually values learning enlightenment.

1:15:39 That's so love to see that evolution happen for us. But I'll have to wait left to wait for that for a bit, I'm afraid. But anyhow, the example she set of a strong woman leader was just indelible and amazing. So we're really lucky to have Mary McDonald's example out there. And she also played the first Lady in Independence Day, which was a colossal hit. So there you have it. So I love to see, like our guests tonight on the show, these examples of women in strong leadership capacities. Why don't the voters wise up and understand that that's where we need to go. That's what I would like to see happen in my lifetime. Is I'd be willing to go for a full on matriarchy, all right, if I could get a woman in a leadership role, I mean, just show me where to vote, show me where to sign.

1:16:25 I want to see strong leaders like Tarina and Laura Roslin in charge, and I will do whatever they say. So there you go. That's you know, those kind of leaders, not the other kind of leaders. All right, so box put away, let's continue. Happy birthday to Paul Gilfoyle, a very very talented character actor who, of course, on Star Trek Discoveries third season episodes Terror Firm Apart One and two, played the character we think of affectionately as Carl, the human personification of the Guardiana forever if you choose to follow that concept. And he's also very well known for playing Captain Jim Brass in CSI Crime Scene Investigation, So very very cool work there. I got to give a big happy birthday to this next star phenomenal, phenomenal performer, the lovely and talented Michelle Pfeiffer Okay, of course, has got a massive science fiction and fantasy resume. Yes, she recently played Janet van Dyne, a gay Wasp in ant Man of the Wasp and Avengers Endgame and that of the sequel that we don't talk about, so we won't talk about it there. Of course, more memorably known for many of us for her tremendous turn as Selena Kyle, Catwoman in Tim Burton's phenomenal Batman Returns the second Michael Keaton Batman movie and Man, What a Catwoman. She was absolutely tremendous performance there, absolutely memorable, and also played Susie

1:17:58 Diamond character in the remarkable picture The Fabulous Baker Boys that you haven't seen that you should definitely check it out. And her work as Alvira in Scarface, of course, I mean that's one of the first pictures that I remember seeing Michelle Pfeiffer in right opposite big Al al Pacino there say hello to my little friend in Scarface. What a what a role, So amazing stuff from that Brian Obama film. And finally one more big birthday for me here the absolutely radiant Kirsten Dunst actress who played the role. It's weird to think of Kirsten Dents was in Star Trek, but you know a lot of people start out in these roles, right and then go on to huge stardom.

1:18:39 But ms Dunst played the role of head Rill in the Next Generation seventh season episode Dark Page when she was a wee sprout of only eleven years old. How about that? And she is now, of course very well known as Mary Jane Watson back in the original Sam Raimi Spider Man film, but she's done a lot of really great work. A lot of people do not know the picture Melancholia, but you should definitely check that out if you like Kristen Dunsi's work. When she was also even younger, I think than that star Trek Gig. Remember that she started out as Claudia in This Is Back in nineteen ninety four in an interview with a Vampire with Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt. She was like that young character in that picture too. I cannot remember which came first. It's one of those things. I'm pretty sure interview with the vampire came first. But you know, again, when we're a real show and we do more research, we'll come prepare and have that knowledge beforehand, as opposed to holding down daytime jobs and having actually work right up until thirty seconds before the show. And then again Spider Man, which I mentioned, and then one of her more recent performances, you should definitely check out. It's an amazing movie. No matter where you land on the spectrum of reality or politics, go check out Alex Garland's Civil War.

1:20:02 It's you may need therapy after you're done watching it, but I think it's a movie everybody should see, especially everybody who lives in the United States. I think you can't afford not to see it. And I will just say there's a very memorable, kind of fortuitous small role in that film that was given as a result of who her husband is who. I won't spoil it for you if you know, you know, but Kirsten Duns's husband you may or may not know, but has a role that you will simply never forget. If you see Civil War, you will never forget that. I need discut the job by accident because of his wife is a big advocate for him as well. She should be so pretty talented family there in the Dunce household. And I'm pretty sure that's the last birthday I've got. So it looks like it's time. Do I do I smell battle on five?

1:20:59 I feel like I smell battle on time. It's one of my you know, those favorite old chestnuts there. But I don't know, I could be wrong. Uncle Jim, do you have Babbylon five on your shirt? Is that what I'm selling? Well, you're smelling a couple of number five, which. Yes, indeed, yeah. So I've got a couple of Klingons and one of them is related to the number five, and we'll get to that in a minute, but we want to start off by saying happy birthday. There he is on the screen. To Peter Jurassic. He played crom a compound interest program matched against Flynn on the game Grid in the original Tron movie nineteen eighty two. Took my wife, then my girlfriend in high school to see that on our first date. And yes she's still with me, and yes she married me, so thank you.

1:21:54 To and condolences, condolences missus. Uncle Jim hate and that movie with a passion, But once a year I put it out and make her watch it. Happy Birthday to Peter Jurassic Book. He also played Lando Malari in Babylon five, the dude with the Wild Hair, but I love him from Tron, So Happy birthday to Peter Jurassic. And now we're going to get into some Klingon territory. Unfortunately we won't get to see much more of this guy. We have ten more episodes to enjoy him. But I want to say a massive happy birthday and kup lah there he is on the screen, guys, right there, Kareem Diane. He played Jaden Cragg and Starfleet Academy. I put up his post on our Facebook page and he liked it personally, so he follows our Facebook page and reads all the posts on there, which I think is awesome. And I'm still trying to get him on the podcast. Believe me, one of these days I will so happy birthday to to Kareem, Diane and Kaplah to you. And here we go, Here we go, my favorite, the big one. When we did our five hundred episode, I was like.

1:23:21 The number five. We got to get a cling. On, We got to go to Star Trek five, Spice Williams on the podcast. You guys should go back go to Trek Talking dot com and find the interview. She was charming, she was awesome, she was fun, and she spoke cling on. That's right, she spoke cling on. She actually remembered her lines from Star Trek five and cling On. She's a stunt woman, stunt coordinator, and she played Dix's and Start Trek five the Final Frontier, the best Star Trek movie ever made. They'll never top Star Trek five. William Shanner just hit it out of the park and they'll never get anything better.

1:24:05 Sorry, but yeah, that's it. But she also played the Calistron kidnapper in the DS nine first season episode Dax, but I don't care about that. She was Vix's. It starts for five the. Final Frontier, so called the Spice Williams, and please go check out her interview. And that's as fun as Klingtons go. But we do have one more that's here on my list. Not a Klingon, but a Bulkan. Uh. He's been with me for almost ten years on this podcast. That's hard to believe it's been that long, but he's there. He is on the screen right there, wearing his awesome Trek Talking T shirt. And of course you want to say happy birthday to our very own sub commander Charles.

1:24:54 Happy birthday, Charles, Thank. You, Happy birthday? Has it? Has it been almost ten years already? Almost? Man? I feel old, Yeah, David feels home. Wow. Have you watched Flash yet? David? I just went right over my head. It was so fast. Okay, then, so happy birthday to Charles. It's it's been a long and winding road getting from there to here. Yes, it has, it has.

1:25:34 But it's been it's been a fun journey. And that, my friends, wraps up our star Trek birthdays. And now we're going to do some Star Trek news and Eric is not. With us, and he always does the Shatner says what, So we're gonna bump Shatner says what to next week so that our very own Eric can do that one. So we'll jump to our next story, which will fall to me. But first, but first there we go direct talking.

1:26:26 I got you know what, I gotta change that to get a get a video of v flapping her arms around. We should. We'll just that, can I say? Can I say, y'all can eat a bag of bord Dicks? There you go, sparkly fans. Oh see, this is this is why I subject myself to this torture every week because you'll make me laugh.

1:27:09 Did you get to talk to Grace? Oh? Absolutely? What a lovely, lovely human being. Absolutely. That was definitely a fun interview for sure. All Right, guys, So I've got our first story here for us of the evening Paramount top the bombshell about Star Trek's future. This story is actually from last week. We had to bump it, but it doesn't matter. Paramount has confirmed a major shift for the Star Trek franchise just weeks after canceling one of the show's newest and most exciting series, Starfleet Academy. Unfortunately, while there are comments were brief, the studio confirmed that a new Star Trek movie is officially in development. It's reported that Dungeons and Dragons Honor among Thieves duo Jonathan Goldstein and John Francis Delay have been tapped to direct and produce the new original film for Star Trek. If you guys have not seen Dungeons and Dragons, Chris Pine is in it. It's a lot of fun.

1:28:09 Check it out. I thoroughly enjoyed it, more than I thought that I would. Anyways, where was that? Yeah? While plot details are still being kept under wraps, the new film will not be connected to the Kelvin verse in any way and will feature an entirely new cast. The new film will be completely disconnected from any previous continuity and feature no familiar faces, a brand new cast, a brand new story, a brand new entry point for audiences. Paramount's pitch for Goldstein and DeLay's project has reportedly been described internally as a completely new take on the Star Trek universe. How exactly the film fits into the sprawling sixty year television franchise also remains to be seen. This news comes after Paramount new management Striptley began winding down the franchise television efforts on the heels of a successful first season. Star Trek Starfleet Academy was announced to be ending whether it's already filmed second season. The decision follows previous plans to bring Strange New Worlds to an end as well, with a fifth and final season, which was filmed back to back with season four. No release date has been set, but season four is expected to air on Paramount Plus some time later this year. Paul will get to that Starfleet Academy is also not set at release date for its second and final season, but filming is wrapped earlier this year as possible new episodes could arrive in twenty twenty seven. I'm going to take a

1:29:39 minute here before Paul jumps in with our next story. What do you guys think they mean when they say that it won't be connected to any current Star Trek continuity, won't have any familiar faces, and it will be completely new, completely different. I mean, if I can start. When I read that, it just it sounded like they just want to strip everything that we know as Star Trek and just start with some new stuff that maybe fits in their non uh infinite diversity, infinite combination world. That's what I thought, that they just want to make it there a generic you know, Star Trek instead of Star Trek.

1:30:29 Uh. So that's that's kind of worrisome. So that's how I feel. I'm not I'm not happy at all. I want to, you know, reserve judgment from for when I see it, but just the way they worded it is rather it's worrisome. So I don't know. We shall see with you. I agree, I'm going to. I'm going to be a little more. I'll believe it when I see it. And my Star Trek series of series that we've been promised and we still haven't gotten one movie yet. The closest we've got wash Section thirty one, and that's that for a lot of people, really wasn't a good movie.

1:31:26 Well, I think it's a big wheel. To write and direct the movie. It would be outstanding. That's a yeah, it would be. I'm Captain James T. Kirk on the USS Colostomy Bug and we're we're making our way back to Station twenty or seven. My dentures just fell out. Yeah, I think Charles is right. I mean, this is just you know, this is a press release, right, It's got all the veracity of like a bag of saying, right. I mean, the. Pamou's been trying to get a movie going for years and they just cannot. You know, it's just like or to quote Captain Kirk, you keep missing the targets, right.

1:32:11 They just cannot get it together, right. They cannot deliver, they cannot execute. I don't think it's possible in a way that to say you're disconnected from all continuity. To me, when you read a press release like this, this tells me it's written by somebody who has no idea what's really going on. So do not put a lot of credence in this. Do you want to piss off sixty years with the fans? I don't think so, you know. I mean, admittedly, I think people want maybe like a break from the I can understand wanted to like not feel too adhered to everything that's gone on and like the Kurtsman era. I can understand that, right, because a lot of people have the baggage and connection, they want a fresh start. You can't separate yourself from all continuity. That's preposterous, you know. I mean, it's just it's it's hyperbole.

1:32:55 So this is just a press release. You know, there's a long road getting from there. The year. So Charles is right, believe it when you see it. I mean, it's going to be the first and then, like you know, I mean it's just this ridiculous takeover of like you know, Paramount just happened. They don't even know where the bathrooms are in episode right, They're going to need to know, believe me. So it's just it's it's, yeah, I don't you know, this is going to be like ten different iterations of nothing. It's like when you're sitting in a seat and you got popcorn. Then believe it.

1:33:35 But until then, yeah, color me a little skeptical, you know. And you know, I don't think that we'll really get a clear sense of what's actually happening until like the very last episode of the you know, two seasons down the road, a strange new world is open. That's going to be at least a year and a half from now minimum, right, and I maybe end of twenty will have some idea of where they're going. But if I was paramount, I would keep your mouth shut until you actually, like have got signed contracts and a script and you're in production. Like let people know the day of first shooting that you were actually there. But don't start talking before you're ready to go. Nobody's because you're just invalidating your your credibility, which is low right now as it is.

1:34:26 So we'll see anytimes. How many times have we said we had a Kelvin movie and the actors said, I have not heard anything. I had not signed a contract. Yeah, yeah, exactly, Charles. Yeah, they just they send out these press releases, and the press release its time for that is when the movie is in the camp. That's when you start sending out the press releases. And you do it in concert with the marketing. But you don't just do this nonsense at the head of the game. It's just like, no one's gonna believe you at least no, you know, I think no fan who's been around the block a couple of times. It's ridiculous, So I no, no, it's it's it's interesting to read, but it's just like all this doesn't stir us up. And you know, we live in an age where truth is so susceptible to you know, misinformation and uh, you know, mendacity on a constant basis. So it's just like I don't believe anything I read anymore, like, you know, unless I can verify it somehow.

1:35:18 Well, it's almost like to me, I saw like the wording was deliberate as a way to hurt the long term or long you know, long term fans, just taking away everything's familiar because you know, we saw what a certain member of the administration tried to do, say, oh, take over Shatner and get this away from you know, being boke and blah. So it just it just seemed deliberately hurtful. I think so, But you're right, we'll see because just seeing that that, like the start that Star Trek cruise for next year was sold out within I don't know how long. It was very a very brief time.

1:36:00 If you look at all the stars, the Star Trek people that are going to be on it, lots of familiar faces you know, from across the across the board, so to speak. So yeah, this this is meant to piss off a whole bunch of fans that they probably will regret pissing off. If they make this. Well we'll see what happens. But you know, on right. Talking will not be on the cruise unfortunately. Well no, I didn't get my invitation. Yeah, well, you know. I hear there's an open bar and that Armond Shimmerman is pouring, so make plans for next year. Yeah, I thought about that. She's kind of all over, kind of exciting, but also at the same time, I agree with you guys. You know it when I ship it show it's it's kind of exciting to see something new, but at the same time, it's like, let's see how it goes.

1:36:53 Well, we'll believe it. Yeah, it's it's like the new coke of Star Trek. How about that. That's that just popped into my head. So if you get it, you get it. If you don't, arms we actually have some real, some real news. Let's get to it. So go ahead to it. Do your magic. I have ever been prone to seek adventure and to investigate where wiser men. Would have left well enough alone.

1:37:40 Space is limitless in it's beauty and in its. Terrible You can do everything right, and sometimes things still don't work out the way we'd helpe. Any of these missions could be lost. Let's boldly go. Make sure there's heat.

1:38:22 I will do my best, okay. So that right there is legitimately the teaser trailer for Strange New World So that's that's for real, and that is a setup. That's a segue for Paul. Take it away, Paul. Thanks Uncle Jimmy. Then, yes, now that you've seen it with your own eyes, does that mean anything anymore? Well, I think we're pretty safe in this situation here, but it's true. Friends, we have a air date for a Star Trek Strange New World season four, penultimate season if you will. With season five, I've still come and it'll see be coming out in July twenty third, right, and we got a lot going on. Let me do some simple starfleet math here May June, so we got about three months, right, a little less than three months to wait before we get to this. So it's pretty exciting.

1:39:17 Now. The series has wrapped production and all of the Toronto based sets have sadly been demolished, but Captain Pike's crew still has plenty of adventure ahead as Star Trek Strange New Worlds is returning this summer. That one minute teaser we just saw is filled with glimpses of the upcoming ten episode season four outing and of course, last summer San San Diego Comic Con apparentlyut lifted the lid on the Strange New World's Biggest Swing It and episode where the crew is transformed into Muppet style puppets brought to life with the help of Jim Henson's Creature Shop. I'm pretty sure there are Muppet style puppet in the c suite leadership Team Paramounts last time I so anyhow, The official Star Trek Strange New World's log line for season four reads as follows. In season four of the Paramount Plus original series, the crew of the USS Enterprise, led by Captain Christopher Pike, embark on a series of thrilling and emotional adventures across the Stars. As they journey to Strange New Worlds. They will battle inner demons and external threats, and counter colorful new characters, reunite with familiar faces and terrifying aliens. Through it all, they strive to embrace a bright, hopeful future. Now, we just got a glimpse of what appeared to be like black holes, cowboys, dinosaurs, tremannosaurs. Very exciting.

1:40:51 The pulp comic book enthusiast in me loves what he sees. All right, looks pretty fun, and the series comes to Paramount Plus Globe on Thursday, July twenty third. We're keeping that Thursday slot there, which means we can jump right off of having a Trek talking episode and go watch a new show, which is great. So that is also big coincidence. Please do pay attention July twenty third, that's the first night of San Diego Comic Gon Friends, So I would expect a lot of serendipity. Even though they've the show is canceled and Paramounts still trying to figure out how to stop doing self imposed practology on their leadership team. Still they must market, they must market, they must There will I'm sure be plenty of things. If anything.

1:41:39 You know that Brian Wolke Rice is going to have like twenty five new action figures to debut, and you know that very next day, so you know that's going to be happening over there in Misel. So we love you, Brian. Please come on the show so we can stop talking about you and start talking to you, which we would all much prefer so. Anyhow, it's a ten week run goes all the way out from that July drop date to the nearly the end of September, September twenty fourth. That's a whole lot of Star Trek and then we get a whole nother season after that. So I know, it seems kind of sad sometimes we're talking about like, okay, cancelation this, cancelation that, right, but we got still in the can guaranteed three full seasons of Star Trek that we still get to know to enjoy. Right, So there's still some you know, whether or not there be a lot of TV after that, I don't know. I mean, we'll see. I still think that My guess is that, you know, I lose the term loosely. The brain trust at Paramount is probably waiting to see how that last fifth season ends, because they were definitely setting things up with you know, Paul Wesley and Scottie and uh to do a Star Trek year one thing. Just because they've dismantled those sets doesn't mean they can't still make that happen, right Because after this merger, they got more money than God, so they mean they could really easily rebuild a new set and start over if they want to. So we see, I wouldn't. I wouldn't say that that series is off the table yet. I think they're waiting to see how things perform and what the fan reaction knows is my guess. Right,

1:43:10 So you know this, this is a business that is driven by two motives cowardice and greed. All right, It's very similar to Washington, right, And so they're gonna wait and see and if there's a huge response and and and the fans are just cannot wait to get their hands on like a year one star Trek if you will, TS prequel series with Paul Wesley's Kirk. There's a big response. Hey, greeble went out, So don't give up the hope. You know, if you like this stuff, let people know, be loud about it, right and if people are criticizing it, yeah, well fuck you. So anyhow, that's what I've got for you this week, folks. As far as the news, I'm going to pass this off to a more g rated trucks word and that would be Uncle Charles.

1:43:53 I say, I won. What did you think? What do you think about their Charles? I was actually gonna make a comment. I was doing some math on my calendar and looked. It's like July twenty third, September twenty fourth is ten weeks. We're not getting a double first episode this time, which I am so happy we are not getting. I am tire of the double episodes being hit two episodes released the same week and then overloading podcasters like yeah, I want one episode, give us one episode of time and give us the night's cool easy stream.

1:44:34 So that's something that's making me happy right there. And the easy easy a nice, cool easy stream. Are we talking about our prospect weeks. In nine weeks? Where's the ice pick? I need to poke out episodes in nine weeks? Sorry? Remember ten episode in nine weeks and how that drove? So I'm fine with that. Man. That's it's you gotta just roll with it, right, I mean that was gonna happen. I mean between now July. I mean we could be you know, broadcasting from a civil defense. You know, anything's possiblely, you just got to roll with it. It's just like I don't I just I like, you know, as long as the episodes are good, I don't care. I mean, it's just like, you know, give me three at once, as long as they don't suck and as song as the writing is decent, I'm happy, man, I'm grateful to get anything that's well produced. And then as a brain in it, you know, well, I'm excited. I'm just I'm excited to see it. I like this. This trailer is very visual. It shows a lot of different kinds of episodes.

1:45:40 I think we kind of push the limits of comedy with the last couple of seasons with the you know, I spock, and I have emotions, and I have a party hat, and I have all these different things. And I'm not this and I'm that. I think maybe, you know, tap the brakes on that ship a little bit right and just give us some you know, Pulpy, this is, folks, what I've seen Pulpy, old fashioned storytelling. So I'm really hopeful. I really hope it's good. In fact, you've got the mic, baby, You've got one more story here, and it's toy related, so I'm well, Master, Okay, don't the word master, but it's master replica is related.

1:46:20 So there, Okay, Paul's done in a strange new world. For God's sake, I'm just I'm just sitting the okay, to help Paul out. Master Replica announces Star Trek p card Rebuilding the Bridge behind the scenes production book. It's been three years since Animal Bricard's crew returned to the Enterprise D of the Federation Fleet Museum, but now the full story of the Starch starship return will be explored in a behind the scenes book from Matter to Replica. While much has been showing about the project on social media and the convention panels, this new Star Trek p card Rebuilding the Bridge book is crafted by Bercard. Series art director Liz Kolowski, is set to be define definite definite journey behind the efforts to rebuild the Galaxy class set for the show's third season.

1:47:20 Master Replica's first announced a book on Friday via their monthly newsletter, noting that this will feature hundreds of rare behind this scene photographs, original concept art and blueprints, and detailed insight to the layout, material, lighting construction that winning the undertaking. One of the most dedicated, detailed Star Trek production books ever published is arriving in May, recreating the D's Bridge, telling the inside story of the rebirth the Star Trek. One of the most beloved sets, the Bridge of the USS Center Prize NCC seventeen oh one d which made an emotional return Star Trek for card art director documents how the art department tracked down every available reference and, working with an army of skilled craft persons and the Star Trek veterans, rebuilt the bridge in immaculate detail.

1:48:13 It's forwards from Terry Mattallas and David Blast, and afterwards by the original Next Urasion production designer, Hermann Zimmermann. This is definitely an archival release. The book will be available for pre order at the Master Replicat website starting next month and inspected to ship in August. This will be a Master Replica exclusive reliefs not available through Amazon or other bookstores. Do you have yours on order already? Child? I didn't hear the book was out yet, but I'm sure Paul's got it on order already. Well, it says it's not available for pre order until May, and today is still April.

1:49:00 Uh mayday, may day. Unless you have a time machine, I'm not pretty new. Wasn't that guess great? I mean we just can we wrap up? Just chatting about Tara was just a bit. She was quite scintillating and uh man, I'd like to see that's kind of person you want to seeing a lot of work from. Right. She was just great and it was very disengaging and thoughtful and uh and uh and funny and just very appreciative. She was a lovely guests. Really nice to be able to have her on it. I didn't really, I mean I feel I didn't want to ask her. I didn't have a chance to. But what do you think is is? Uh, I can't keep it. I need to get headphones sorry anyway, not h flat flat, yes, anyway.

1:49:52 I wonder what do you think is what is behind all the drought in the uh, you know, the acting world. They it sounds like she and her husband are just really struggling, and I just my heart goes out to her. What is that's tough? I mean, it's just just like it's a money driven business man and even stage things. Everything's expensive, yeah, everything because of like it's like everything rolls downhill, price of gas, groceries, politics, thing, right, So it's just people are people are afraid to invest a lot of money in a new project if they are uncertain. About what's right. So it's just it's a tough gig. And it's very competitive, right, you know, it's like you go up for an acting audition and you know it's like she said, right, you're up against tons of people.

1:50:39 She got that job because somebody recommended her personally, right, you know that doesn't most actors aren't that lucky. And you know, she just took it. What she ended up doing like fifteen sixteen episodes. Right was Usually that was wonderful. Usually it's like paycheck paycheck, you I mean, it is, but tough. Business, it sure is. But and then when they went not that long ago, went through the strike, so that was that was difficult as well. She was lovely to Hope. You know, I really liked her parting thoughts about like you know, hey, you know, you know, put it out into the universe. You know, it's like, you know, try to, you know, fulfill your dreams, and it be so easy to let fear overtake you in your ambitions. Right, that was?

1:51:26 Yeah, I thought, was do you remember who else that we had on the show that had that same sort of philosophy? Yeah? I think it was mel Brooks, right, if I remember correct, that one really drunken night. If he had I would love to talk to mel Brooks. Oh my god, No, it was Christine horn Bytha. She she was really into into the whole belief in the the manifesting, which that's that's really cool. I'm trying to get into that and it's it's sometimes easier said than done, and I yeah, but anyway, that was that was neat that she said that, and that was I remember that from when we had Christine on the show, so.

1:52:17 Great. Yes, So I just want to let you guys know that all these awesome videos that you're not seeing right now because you're listening to the podcast on iTunes or wherever you get your awesome podcasts are not available to you unless you go to our Facebook page, Trek Talking and Beyond and plunk down the ninety nine cents for our Facebook subscription, and then you will get the exclusive link to the video versions of these podcasts, which. Are a lot of fun. David puts a lot of work into them and I think they look great and you guys can enjoy the visuals with a ninety nine cent facebooks description, so please check that out. I want to also let you know that on next week show the seventh, we're gonna be talking with Star Trek fan film Extraordinary himself, Samuel Cogging's, and he's worked on pretty much. I don't know, like every Star Trek fan film that you've probably watched he worked on. I mean, he does a lot of stuff.

1:53:26 Most people know him from Trek Yards with Captain fully, but he does a lot of work on fan films, a lot of special effects work. The Romulan War, the Neutral Zone. In fact, a lot of the pod of the Star Trek fan films that we reviewed right here on this podcast he did the special effects for. So he's going to be with us next week, so check that out. And that's all I have played. I have other pokers in the fire. I don't want to divolge too much. Shenanigan's right now. We'll wait until things are ironed out. But for right now, we just have Samuel on the docket and anything else you'll have to check out our Facebook page to see what's going on. So about any further ado, guys, I just want to say thank you so much to Eric for hanging out and Trek talking with us. He had to run early, but thank you so much to Eric, and of course thank you so much to Paul for hanging out and Trek talking with us tonight.

1:54:28 Thank you so much, Paul. It was delightful. A lot of a lot of arm flapping, but it was fun. And thank you, thank you so much to the for hanging out. Yeah, correct, I need to I'm going to I'm no longer going to be the I'm going to be Flappy makeflap face. So well, if you if you remember, there was a what was it? There was something was it? I forget where it was where people had the exclusive rights to name some sort of special boat and the winning name was body mcboat face. Does anybody remember that? Okay, okay, sure of course, of course I know, I know, but body mcboat face is the name that they named that boat.

1:55:19 So I can be Flappy mcflapface. There to go. And of course, thank you so much for hanging out and corect talking with us. Thank you, Charles. Thank you always fun and it guess even better. Absolutely last, but not least, a very old miracle worker David who puts together all these awesome video clips for us. Thank you so much, David for hanging out and struck talking with us and all that work you do on the videos. Yeah, it's been a lot of fun. And of course Tara Roslyn. We got to say thank you to her for joining us at the top of the hour. Thank you so much, and I'm your most excellent host. Uncle Jim saying, please everybody stay safe and be good to each other and remember Star Trek fans are the best fans usually. And with that, hailing frequencies are closed. Good night, everybody, good night, live long, and prosper.

1:56:21 Let's fly