Episode 677- Starfleet Academy "Life in the Stars" review

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1:26 It's Thursday, March twelve, twenty twenty six. Welcome to Trek Talking and Beyond, Episode six hundred and seventy seven. I'm your most excellent host, Uncle Jim. Welcome to the podcast. Before I go too far, I'd like to go around the room and introduce my awesome treks firts. We're gonna start off with Paul Paul as our toy guy. He's out in Portlay. How you doing tonight? Paul doing well? Sarah. It has been colossally rainy a couple of days here in the p NW. It's been coming down very intense. We're in the middle of one of our famous atmospheric rivers, as we like to call them here, a torrential feat where you get like a month worth of rain in like two days, and so we're in like day one of that today, and I am loving it. As a native Oregonian, I'm a big rain fan, and so I just dig it. It's great, it's very conducive to getting things done. Into the magical forces of nature coming out.

2:27 So a good time, A good time to be in Portland. Thanks all, Let's stick with Portland and head on over to Eric. How you doing, Eric, I'm doing pretty good. I'm kind of with Paul. I'm not PNW born and bred, but I do love the rain. Unfortunately my dog does not, and so she suffers a little bit this time of year. But you know, she's got the sweater, she's got the raincoat, she's got the other shell. Basically she layers because she's a kid from the Pacific Northwest, like all of us. Wasn't that It wasn't that Eddie Rabbit that loved ring.

3:09 Raining night? Yeah? What Eric? What kind of dog do you have? She's like sixty percent pit bull and the rest is Australian shepherd. It's the pitbull part that hates the rain for sure. Yeah, well, let's stick with our Portland theme and say hello to David. How I'm doing pretty well and I actually enjoyed away And actually I've been out there just today in my head got all wet and now it's all puffy, so you know, don't mind me. But you know it's funny when that happens, the rain, the sky and when you go it lands on you, and it's just it's amazing. How it's magical nature. I guess.

3:54 Well, let's swing out to Las Vegas and say hello to Charles. How are you doing tonight? Doing good? I'm jealous of the rain. I wish we were getting it. We're getting the Southwest heat waves starting in so we got eighties today, we could see high eighties this weekend. We could see nineties next week, which is way too early for March. We should be seeing nineties in April or May. This is can be record breaking weather. Not looking forward to it. Let's swing out for Virginia, say hello. Doing all right? Like I was saying to you all earlier. Eighty five plus yesterday and snow today. I do not like the heat. I will say that I love the colder, chillier weather, so I feel more alive. Yesterday I felt like I wanted to melt into a puddle. So so no, I didn't say that I like the snow. Although I did live in We did live in Port for several years way back when, back in ninety eight, whenever we moved out, I can't remember. Two thousand and three we moved back. And so, yeah, I had a little bit of trouble with the with the constant rain, especially when you've got little kids that want to go outside and they can't because it's raining and muddy. So but anyway,

5:26 beautiful outcoming. You know we you know, we do appear v with our kids. We sent them out in the rain and mud. Okay, just let them out. Good good luck. Here. I'm listen, I'm listening to me, and I'm like, what is she talking about? I mean, none of these if they didn't go out like. That, they would never go out. Yeah, we have the same attitude they have, like you know Eric's talking about, like, yeah, exactly, Well, they did have this, It's cool. They did have this cool indoor pizza place that had like a little miniature amusement park with a little mini ferris wheel and everything. So that was a lot of fun.

6:12 Nice. Yeah, that's cool. Yep, well tell you up in Vermont. We're with you. It was eighty degrees and small. So it's just it's crazy, crazy, crazy. I just don't know what's going on. We have another great show plan for you guys tonight. We're going to be talking about Starfleet Academy Episode eight, the Life of the Stars. For those of you who don't know, that's to Tilly episode that we've been hearing about for the whole season. It's upon us and we're gonna talk all about it tonight. We also have our fans shout Out semester. We thank fans just like you out there for listening to our podcast.

6:54 And we also have our Cadet reviews with Charles. We have our fan reactions and episodes with come right off of our Facebook page. No AI involved, real, actual, honest to goodness fans sharing their actual opinions. Okay, so please check that out. And what do you share a birthday with? Find out on our side five birthdays and we've got some really good ones to go over tonight, and last but not least what's going on around the Star Trek University have a brand new segment this week called Freaks Says What and Eric will be telling you what Frakes has to say. And we also have we're going to talk about the Star Trek Rainbow a little bit and Prodigy wins another award. So we have a lot of fun plans for you guys to night, so please stay tuned, don't run away. And yeah, so we're gonna get started off with our fans shout outs and you can be part of our finish shout out a heading over to our Facebook page Trek Pocket and Beyond, look for the pin post at the popper page, tell us where you're from.

7:57 Leave lots of dancing emojis. It gets my intention. You see a heart next to your name from your truly you're going to be featured in a fan shout out, So Eric, you ready to get us started with this week's plan shoutouts. I would love to jim this first fan shout out. The person first identified themselves by the name of the book that they wrote, and I had to backtrack to find them. So I'm gonna say our big fan, David Lindsay, who is an independent author who hails from jiang Kyeong County in North chung Kyeong Province in South Korea, is saying hello to us, and we would like to say hello to you this week. And since you mentioned it, I haven't read this book, but I'm assuming since David Lindsay is here, the book is amazing. It's called Star Trek, The Second Cube The Borg Attack on the Klingon Empire.

8:45 I looked up his website. He will send it to you for free if you buy one of his other books. So there you go, David, there's your free press. Thanks for saying hi to us. Gabby Deutsch is also saying hello this week from Berlin, Germany, and Gabby, I'm a little respect. Of your last name. Is that your real last name? I feel like me being Eric American. But anyway, Gabby, thank you so much for saying hello to us from that most amazing country of Germany. Also saying hello this week to top fan Patrick Holt, who hails from Brisbane, Australia, A fan since nineteen eighty seven, Patrick, thank you so much for saying hello to us and for supporting us down under and last but not least, on my list. I would like to say hello this week to Tony Lawless, who hails from Erizburg in Germany.

9:33 That is a part of the Ore Mountains, in case you don't know where Pittsburg is. Thank you so much, Tony for saying hello. V. Who would you like to say hello. To this week? Well, first off, I have Dana McKee who's saying hello to us from Alberta, Canada, our wonderful neighbors to the north. One of these days I'm going to visit and I might not come back. Who knows. Next, Hello to Spring Jeff who's from South Carolina. And ooh, this is somebody from on the other side of the world. And another place I'd like to visit, Gabby Peters from Bribe Island, Australia, and Gabby gives us the live Long and prosper emoji.

10:20 And then last, but certainly not least, a hello from Laurel Hallickman in Virginia. So I don't know where in Virginia, but I'm here too, so that makes it a great state. All right? Onto you, Charles, Oh, thank you V. The start of the warm Welcome to Paul David from the Bay Area, California. Okay, Paul, which bayar you in? South Bay, North Bay, East Bay? Which bay are you in? Welcome Mark Roberts from Houston, Texas. Welcome Mark, I wonder if the heat wave is getting a we're towards you.

11:01 Welcome to Timothy Froggie Buguet from Idaho. Welcome Timothy, and Welcome Christy Stilly from Missouri. Welcome. As we start spinning the globe on to Paul. Thank you, Charles, appreciate that, sir. Okay, We're gonna have a festival of pronunciation confundities happening here in the next few moments. So bear with me. Script. Yes here, your umlats and Tilda's will be hurtling like shrapnel with the time I done, so just hold on to your hats. First of all, we'll start off easily with Anthony Beatles Andrews from Oxfordshire, England, who's got both the Union jack and the flag of it England with the red Cross of Saint George dragons. Beware divide that Anthony Beatles Andrews is on duty. So great to hear from me there, my friend, very excited. Always nice to talk to somebody else who fellow citizen that I am of the UK. Alberto Garcia Martinez is from Irun Esplena, Irun.

12:17 I think it is. I hope I'm saying that right, Alberto, forgive me if I am mispronouncing anything. A Valdeo has got a double live on and prosper gesticulating towards us. So lovely to see that. Moving back over to a part of the continent I'm very fond of in Paris, France, Region nine. The USS Versailles actually makes docking there and we have our friend Valerie Pollier. Valerie is in Paris. It sounds like arndment Reason nine looks like but I'm assuming USS Versailles is a local club in France. Wol to hear from you, Valerie. It's great to know that you're out there and keep your country safe. That's all I'm you know, I'm a big fan of anything to happen to it big time, Okay. I love the French and everything about France.

13:15 I'm a big fan of. And finally, let's go over to a chile enlightened corner of the universe to matts dalberg In at peter Norburten in Sweden. Absolutely a big fan of any of the Nordic countries. I would not surprise me to find myself there someday at all. But Sweden's a remarkable place. You are still in the midst of winter, I believe over there. Motts so great to hear from you and from all of our international Structrek fans. It's always great to see that we have that collective enthusiasm that unites us. I think we live in times where that's important to be reminded of. So lovely to hear from all of you. Please keep and you know, international fans, if you ever feel like doing this, if you've got a spare minute on your on your docket there, go to the website for Trek Talking right, and there's a talk Now message button and you can record us a brief message. You can say whatever you want. You don't have to mave that message in English if you don't want to. You can leave us a message in German, in Spanish, in French, whatever you like. Just express your unfiltered enthusiasms. We'll play that message on our next episode.

14:28 So I throw down my gauntlet of welcome Matt to you all, and please give us a ring and leave us a message. And that's all I've got Let's pass this crazy batlet over to Uncle Jim and see what he's got. Well, thank you so much, Paulin. You can even record it and cling on. How's that sound? You can leave us a message and klingon We'll try. That would be sweet. We definitely will play it. Although you know, we did have the awesome Spice Williams on the show from start five the Final Frontier and she spoke cling out for us, which was awesome. So check that show out. By the way, go to Truk Talking dot com and check out our Spice William's interview with a lot of fun.

15:11 All right, off the best movie and back into our fans job. So I want to say thank you to Francis Emerson, who's from the Finger Lakes near Seneca and my Yuga Lakes just hours away from the Star. Truk Museum in Twanda. Roga live long and prosper Francis, and thank you for being a fan. I might have run into you up there. Who knows I'm up there Every year? If you see me stop at the Truck Talking table, is you're going to say hello, I'll make it worth your while. We also want to say hello, and thank you to Travis Kmartin who says, I currently live and win Matatchi, Washington, but I'm from Arizona and moved around. Quite a bit. Well, thank you for that, Travis, We appreciate it. We also want to say hello to Rick Cayuna Nesbit who's from South Louisiana, USA. And last on my list, we want to say hello and thank you to James H. McCoy who's from Indiana. And that, my friends, wraps up our shout outs to this week.

16:11 Please head over to Trek Talking and Beyond and tell us where you're from. We just love to have you. And now this is the part of the show where we do our cadet training and that's what our very own child tells you. Guys. Some episodes that you can check out that really the episodes we're going to talk about, ton or So take it away, Charles. Oh, thank you, Uncle Jim. Let's start off with kind of the opener the the episode. But they're doing a simulation very similar to a very one of our one of my one of my favorite Star Trek movies, Star Trek two, the Ratha Kan when we have the Kobayashi Maru simulation, and then we get to see and Jim meant, we got Sylvia Tilly.

17:03 You wanna know who. Silva Tilly is, Well, you're gonna have to. Go back to Discovery. You got many season Discovery to talk about her. And then we started getting into a little bit of a theatrical view of this episode, and I picked a few star treks that had theatrical especially Shakespeare. Of course, we know Toss Conscious of the King Season one, episode thirteen, Tng is the Defector. Season three, episode ten, Data performs. You see Tay on the holiday performing Henry the Fifth.

17:48 Of course, Star Trek six The Undiscovered Country has so many shakespeare in references in there, and then bicard at in Arcade Ego Part two, Season one, episode ten, The card has several I has a good quote in there from the Tempest. Of course, the production we're actually talking about in this one is Thornton Wild's Pultzer Prize winning classic Our Town nineteen thirty eight, the most recent twenty twenty four, with the six six production on Broadway. Now we got Voyager Blink of an Eye Season six, episode twelve, Doctor mentions go Tan who potts an orbit one capsule to investigate Voyager, which is stuck in a different different time differential orbit, causing years to pass on his planet.

18:47 Only a few seconds passed for the crew. Voyager. Real Live Season three episode twenty two. This episode originally Okay, this episode, the Doctor creates a wife name Charlne and two children, Jeffrey and Bell to experience real life human family life. TG is the Offspring Season three episode sixteen. Why'd I talk about this one? Well, in this episode we talk about Sam and having incomplete data pathways, where we realize the fact here that data couldn't create the pathways and get them to function fast enough to deal with her emotions.

19:37 And then TG's inner light. Because of course the doctor spends two weeks on the planet but seventeen years in passing. So I think Paul would love to do a recap of this episode. Thank you, Charles, appreciate the setup, Brandon, all right, well, friends, we kind of like just kind of hit the reset button and do a little level setting to start things off before we all go around and discuss what I think is quite probably going to be looked back on as potentially the best episode of the season. I think it has a strong potential to fill that role. We're talking about episode number eight, The Life of the Stars.

20:26 This episode focuses on the cadets that are still processing trauma from the Miyazaki incident, and in kind of a surprising way, they are told that they must go through a manudatory drama class that is led by a visiting instructor. Surprisingly, Sylvia Tilly portrayed by Mary Wiseman, was a recurring character on Discovery. It's another Discovery fan, so she is there to help the cadets process this recent trauma through a little bit of an un conventional method to them theater class and she has them study and rehearse Thornton Wilder's classic play from nineteen thirty eight are Town Thornton Wilder themes of mortality in that play and appreciating life to help.

21:17 What she says for the students is emotional recalibration. This is a famous play. A lot of people end up doing this play. If you're in theater arts in high school, you probably are familiar with this. It focuses on basically the meaning of life amidst the mundane and the importance of community, life, love, death. The idea that small everyday moments can help you reflect on meaning in your life. Tilly, there's a lot of skepticism from the cadets at first, right, and she argues that theater is state craft, and statecraft is theater. And she argues that the ability to command, to influence, and to lead requires the same skills as acting, understanding performance, projecting confidence, and managing public perception. Take a look go any original series fans, take a look at Captain James T. Kirk. Right. The man is like a one man theater company interactions. You know, it's not just poker playing in the Corba might maneuver, Right, It's not just the ability to bluff, but it's the ability to act and persuade and anytime you're dealing with diplomatic scenarios.

22:26 A certain amount of performance is required in just about all aspects of life. So she says to them in response, eight out of ten caredens ask that question, what does this have to do with being a captain? The other two became captains themselves. So she sees a lot of value in it because she understands that future leaders recognize the value of things like self awareness and empathy and understanding the nature of being human or humanoid or whatever nature you have to be part of that is cultivated through the art of performance. So while that's going on, our good friend Terema Sadal returns from Beta's ed and she's got a new neural inhibitor after her traumatic experience, and she kind of surprisingly to her, has been transferred from the war College to the Academy to recover something that she really was looking forward to or wanting to do.

23:25 This was done kind of at the behest of those who know better, right, thinking it would be safer for her that she would be less likely to be exposed to situations that could put her in armed way. She isn't really necessarily like this. Also, this puts in a lot more close proximity to Caleb mir So she is struggling quite a bit with what appears to be like emotional numbness, and her reunion with Caleb is very strained, and I think her journey back to being able to cope and overcome her trauma is also thanks to the role she takes in her production of the play. Now all all this stuff is going on, it is revealed that our photonic friend Sam Okay is found that her programming has basically been destabilized. She's had some injuries there she doesn't really have when it comes to light that she never really had any kind of like a childhood because of her programming. She was basically put together at a certain age, and so she doesn't really have the emotional underpinnings or framework to process the trauma that she experienced on the MIA's accu mission. So and she needs to be saved, right, She's in jeopardy of not you know, she's had a rather substantial injury, right, and they're worried that they may not be able to the doctor's sort of I don't think I can help her. I don't think I can fix her. So it's kind of dire for our you know, innocent friend there. So the solution

24:58 that the doctor and Chancellor Ake embark upon is to take Sam to her home world of Cask. Right, and time moves much faster on Cask than it does on Earth. Okay, And a fun fact for those who follow the career of a chewitol Ago for a wonderful actor, absolutely splendid actor. He is the voice of the makers when you're hearing the authority figure among the canons that's Jewetol who if you may not recognize his name, but I guarantee you recognize his face. You've seen him in tons and tons of good stuff, and sci fi fans will recognize him from the Serenity movie. And boy, there's a lot of Serenity news coming. It sounds like very soon. We'll have to talk about that later if we can. Very exciting.

25:44 So to save Sam, the Doctor has to overcome his own past trauma. So everybody in this episode is getting over something, is recovering from something in their past. Right, he's referencing his lost holographic daughter that Charles intimated a little bit a while ago in his cadet training from an earlier episode of Voyager, right, and he agrees ultimately to parent if you will a rebooted version of Sam. It's going to be a little bit different version of her. And in the spawn of roughly two weeks in Earth time, they're on Cask, Sam experiences seventeen years of childhood and growth.

26:25 They're on the cast planet with the Doctor enabling hopefully her to return to the Academy with a stable, rebuilt identity that lets her cope and move forward. So she's going to be slightly changed, which is going to be interesting to see. Some of the themes going on in this episode are obviously processing trauma right, everyone getting over the Miyazaki situation. It's a character study and how to cope with fear and loss right. Thornton Wilder's Our Town is like a back drop for the importance of appreciating life, and Sam tends to represent like the one side of things right, life of the stars, while the Tarima represents a more finite experience. The doctor has to confront his old centuries old, really centuries old emotional distance and grief, initially feeling he couldn't do it, but he has to connect and be willing to assume the mantle of a more active paternal role. It is really interesting because the Cadets are initially so resistant to this idea that Tilly brings forth, but the Cadets eventually find a kind of catharsis in the active performance okay, and transitioning from avoiding their grief entirely to being able to acknowledge it, which is a huge coping strategy. The group beans to become more cohesive and men as a collective together and they will hopefully emerge as a tighter, more supportive unit amidst all this emotional turbulence. And then the episode ends with

27:56 Chancella and Okay delivering and Wilder esque philosophical reflection on the athene is Bridge, emphasizing that life could be heartbreaking, it could be a gorgeous blip in the universe, and that every moment must be lived. So I just think this is a splendid episode. I'll come back later on with my grade for it, but I think, and you know, I just want to really give it up to Mary Wiseman. I think as an actor, she just endures so much grief from so many buttriolic basement dwelling a holes, I mean tremendously, and she's managed to preserve her dignity and I think she's come back in this role in a stronger, more focused way. I think that anybody who did not care for the Philly character in the past to have another look at what she dis with the character in this performance. In this role, I think she really provides a lot of value to these folks. I think this is an extremely well written episode, right. I think it's just very timeless classic trek. The fact that it does have so many echoes of theater in it. I just think it's outstanding. So and kudos to her is a performer, and for everybody who did some work on here. So that's kind of just a recap in case. It's been a couple of weeks, right, we haven't seen this in a while because we tend to be a couple of weeks behind with our reviews just because of guests and time zones and things like that. So that's kind of

29:26 the the you know, the setup, right, that's the reflection. But what I'm curious about, you know, you know what I think I think after this, what did the fans think? Because gosh, you know, we have all kinds of different fans and all kinds of different opinions. So I'm going to turn to my friend over here at the Helm Control Eric and ask him, Eric, are you brave enough to ford the sea of fans? And let us know what they said? Paul. You know, every once in a while, the fans make waiting across that sea extremely easy, and this is fortunately one of those weeks. I think the fans are right there with the In fact, Jennifer Floyd said En made me cry. Sam was gonna die Thalia was changing before her eyes. Thalia.

30:14 Uh, I think she means tima tima. Yeah, that's correct. People have a hard time learning new names, it seems. Yeah, that's okay. The care free fund was muted because of the accident. They needed to move on until he helped without bringing up that she is from another time like Reno. Enjoyed seeing her and how she got the cadets to get beyond their trauma without actually doing anything except pick a play. Hey, I think there was. It was a little more sophisticated, but we get what you're saying, Jennifer. Thank you so much for your review. Eric Chung says a ten. It might be the best of the season so far, but I had already said that about about Vox in excelf So and series Acclamation Mill.

30:56 So it's possible one or both of the next two episodes because they even topped this one. That's okay, Eric, We're rating these as we go, so a ten is totally warranted here. Lisa Baker Snyder gave it a ten and I teared up a bit too. Tom Claudefelter said nine. I went in skeptical on this particular episode and was thoroughly impressed. Melissa Vutcinias gave it a ten with three exclamation points. CJ gave it a seven. I wanted the doctor to reminisce about outliving his friends on Voyageer and regretting his immortality. I don't disagree, CJ. That would have been a pretty cool aspect of this. But we'll talk more about the doctor later. Brian Fernandez give it an eight point five and a big review, says I loved it overall, but I do not like the gaslighting of Tarimo when she's calling Tilly out on the trauma therapy theater class, that kind of what do you mean, what are we doing here? We're just taking a theater class.

31:56 I have no alternaty mot motives of any kind when it's obvious to everyone that she does is just condescending and really annoyed me. But I teared up at the stuff on Cask, and I appreciate the sensitive nature of the episode, and I'm not just hating on it. I just do not like it when adults talk to people in their twenties like they can understand them, and I'm forty five, at least stand up in front of the class and say yes. This theater class is to help you, guys deal with your trauma. You are correct when directly questioned about it. Thanks. Brian Ariel Gardner said that was a great episode nine out of ten. Jeremy Klinger gave it a ten. I watched it twice. I never watched an episode twice in a row. Carlos Rafael Juarez Fernandez give it a twelve out of ten. It was an instant Star Trek classic episode.

32:46 I love that Erica Halverson Mullen gave it a ten. Tamis Waldman gave it a ten with a tilly and a heart yeah, feeling that Tomas and Roger Barto gave it a ten. I found this episode of a Star Trek show to be the most philosophical, deep episode of Star Trek. It delves into how our experiences with each other form who we come to be. The anguish we feel when we are not supported by others, the blindness we suffer when we shut out others who accuse us of shutting who who are accused of shutting us out is depicted with brilliant science sci fi tropes. This is a healing Star Trek episode and a no joke non Ai assisted totally. Seriously, our fans have scored this episode on our Facebook page a nine point five, a near perfect score for a Star Trek episode to tell you the truth.

33:45 So there you have it, p and how about we start off with the because he wasn't with us last week, so let's dive right into it. Well, this was definitely one of those gut punch episodes, as you had several things going on at once, with Terma coming back and trying to she was trying to figure out who she is because she has been you know, altered with that new device to dampen her her betazoid abilities, if you will, but also seeing Sam glitch and then you know, being in peril and that I was going to say too that another episode was from Voyager where the doctor's holo matrix is destabilizing and they had to they had to fix him. And you know they had because he had downloaded so much, so many different programs and information. Uh, he had sort of grown beyond his programming.

34:56 And initially, as if I recall, I can't remember which episode it is, so I apologize, the idea was to just reboot him back to the way he was in the beginning, and it's like, absolutely not because you're going to erase who he is. But they managed to get the one program from what was it. I can't think now where he was created. I'm trying to help me out. Yes, from from uh. Uh something something? Yeah, yeah, I know. Anyway in the episode you're thinking of the episode, you're thinking of his.

35:38 Revulsion, yeah, but also with the with the students, because even though nobody says it, what they're suffering from his PTSD, which is I think anybody that watched that that was a you know, a veteran or no, somebody in the military, you know, saw the trauma for what it was. And then I thought of DS nine with nog going through his trauma from yeah, the Siege of five five eight, but then you see him finding himself and recovering in one of my favorite episodes, it's only a paper Moon.

36:22 So but when the doctor goes back, I was not expecting him to reminisce to talk about, you know, to remind us about his family because that episode with his daughter Belle, who gets she gets mortally injured playing some sort of game that she really was too young to play, but they allowed her to play it. Which is like, you know, every parent goes through that, and then you know, he could have fixed her, It could have programmed it so that she lived, but he wanted to go through the entire thing and that was a heartbreaking episode. But just his emotions, Oh my gosh, I was I was getting choked up. I was not expecting that. So kudos to Robert Picardo for delivering probably one of the best performances that I've seen him do. And then when Sam is growing up, when she's you know, baby to toddler to young person, Oh my word, just just reach in and rip my heart out, won't you. I was just absolutely beautiful. And at the end when they finally because they were reluctant to do our town and they realize that, yeah, this is going to help us heal. But there was something else, Like I said, I misplaced my notes unfortunately.

37:52 But the whole part what really got me was the part about I think it was Caleb that was talking talking about when you're becoming somebody else but you don't want to, and Tarima go through this where you don't really want to leave your old self behind, but you kind of have to. You don't have a choice. Sometimes it's a good thing and sometimes it's a bad thing, and you have to find your way and you know, find this new way of being. So that's something at Tarma and now Sam are having to learn about, and I hopefully in the next you know, the last two episodes will see them be able to figure out who they are now and move forward. But yeah, that was a that was definitely a solid ten. That was In fact, I think I have to watch it. I watched it three times. That's going to be like one of the fans said, that's one of those Star Trek classic episodes.

38:52 I totally agree, So I'm going to have to watch that more than, you know, a couple more times and have the tissues handing you this time. So yeah, solid ten for me. Well you want to jump in here next? Uh? Yeah, So how many of you have seen Oops? Uh, it wasn't me. I forgot to watch the episode, so I have a good excoose of what happened. But yeah, I totally forgot to even put this episode on for this week's show. So I'm like, oh man, me and everything guys talking about like, sounds like a really good episode, so I'm hoping to watch it tonight, but I'm gonna have to give my storage to be to be announced later on in the next week episode.

39:44 All right, so then we'll we'll move on to Childs. Then did you watch it? Oh? Yes, Oh, I've watched it twice, and that's part of my notes in my discussion. I have to go a little go through a little bit of intro and a little bit to this episode. I have to admit I'm a theater geek. I did not perform on stage. I worked backstage. I love live theater. I had I ended up. I had to watch this episode twice. I grabbed my notes, but between the episodes, I watched the episode gotta grasp on it, and then I went looking for our Town, the current version. There is recording of the current version, but it's not.

40:33 Available to the public. But I found the last version done a few years ago with Paul Newman as the stage manager. So I picked up and watched that. Then I rewatched the episode and it's like now, now the movie makes Now, the episode makes complete sense. I can understand what they were doing with it, why what they were doing, and why one of the things that they're mentioned was that Oh Tilly made them do our Town. No, it wasn't Tilly that made them do it our Town. Tilly asked her input. Sam fell in love with our Town and wanted to do it, but then couldn't be there.

41:18 To play in the play. But I think she saw in that play how her friends were getting at PTSD and that they need to get a look at life. Life is very finite. Though you may feel like things things have a long stretch, but they do have a finite life. One of the things in the theatrical part of it, things kind of went okay, got interesting, then we got to Cask and Eric probably wanted to jump into this one himself, but for me, one of the effective filmings of Cask was everybody was in black and white except the maker. The maker was in blue, but everybody in Cask was in black and white.

42:18 And what a. What a way to dramatize it. You put in the black and white and you get that feeling of you get that unique focus on it. The lines are just a little more powerful, The lines are a little more strong. They've got them, you know, Charles. The what I thought of was that movie Sin City, which was all in black and white except for everything that was red. I don't know if you ever saw that anyway. But yes, but what what what it was.

43:00 Especially to. Give the really catch the emotion of the doctor being very cold, and we find out the truth. We find out why the doctor is acting so cold, why you wants to separate himself from her. Going all the way back to the first episode, we now understand what's going on with him because he's scared about trying to have another family. We get into it, and I love the fact that the doctor. Spent spends seventeen years in two weeks. What an emotional drain.

43:49 But sit there and spends two weeks and live seventeen years. Look at what a car did a car? I forgot how many years in her light he spent, but he spent decades, all in and out, all in, I think it was forty five minutes. But to sit there and go through that much time spent in such a short time. Really was interesting. I love and I'm sure people will discuss this how we got to the end of the episode, and how the cadets were able to analyze and see what our town really meant. And I think Eric will love I'll leave this one. I'll leave the exit to him. But that was powerful, that exit, that final scene with Akie, who was just powerful to take those lines and to using the way she did. It's like, oh yeah, yeah, I do want to eventually go back and look at this episode again, probably after season recap. But this is definitely two of my two of my top episodes this season.

45:16 As I've only given one episode a ten, this to be the second one that gets a ten, almost an eleven, almost in eleven on this one. Awesome, awesome, So I'll jump in here. So Jaden eating the quadrat testicles of his father was the highlight. I mean when we were talking about the you know, I like that he was really there and I just loved it. I think Jayden gets overlooked in this episode, but. Jim, he was.

45:56 That scene with that scene with him and the bow laying and everything afterward was ridiculously adorable. I loved it. I just loved it. So I had to throw that in it. Unlike your guys come out into place. I can't comment on any of that other stuff. All I can talk about is the anisode. So I thought Sam died, you know, after we lost you know, Vulcan dude in the last episode, and the instructor. I thought for sure. I'm like, oh, no, they just killed her. And I was like, oh, then she came in a different version of her, but I actually thought that they killed her.

46:36 I was off guard with that one. But this, this episode was such an emotional gut punch after what happened two episodes ago, and to watch these young cadets to deal with with this, which. Is something we never get to see on Star Trek. You know, we never really get to see the effects of all these atrocity. Is that that happened, you know, to our favorite you know, captains and lieutenants and whatnot on Star Trek. You know, the next episode comes along and they're just fine and they move on with their day, and we never actually get to see what happens in between.

47:17 And this episode gives us a chance to see that and to watch them deal with it. And it was wow. Mary Wise and Tilly was was perfect for this job. And she came in and did with Oh and her reunion with taking the taro with jet Reno, you know when she says, oh, my molar. Right here was starting to eight you were. I love it seeing them back together again. It was it was a great moment. I can't think of a bad thing to say about this episode. I absolutely loved it from beginning to end, specially Herema. She was the hardest egg to crack and uh. At one point Tilly was like, know, you know, palk your crap and get out.

48:02 You know you're not you know, you're really close to the edge here, and Karama was the one that was resisting it the most. And at the end she's the one that I think got the most out of it. At the end when she goes. To talk to Utility, just wow. Yeah, wow. This episode was just so powerful, so many emotional moments, so many character driven moments. It was well written when acted, the pacing I thought was really good. Everything about it was top match. So I'm right there with Charles. I've got to give this one time. I mean, just on the quad, I got to give it a time. I can't say enough for good about this episode, So I guess I'll leave it to.

48:55 Eric, all right, Thanks Jim. Yeah, So, every once in a while an episode of Star Trek comes along that I feel teaches me a real solid lesson, Like I think the best Star Trek. We've always talked about how it becomes a morality play, right, and you end an episode as the viewer. You end an episode a better person than you started it because a new concept is brought up to you or something is brought into your attention that you previously weren't considering. And I kind of feel like this episode is it Like it was stunning in how thoroughly concocted and written and acted and executed.

49:48 It was for me right from the very first opening monologue that the doctor gives. I can't remember another time in a movie or a television series where I have actually believed that the character was almost a thousand years old. And to me, that opening monologue that he gives it has such like just weight to it, and like the weight of time and the weight of loneliness, and you know, what is it like to be the only one of your kind for all this time and like all this kind of stuff. You feel that right from the Doctor's opening monologue. And then of course we dive into all the big concepts that Paul was talking about here. You know, you've got the trauma recovery part of it and emotional connection part of it. And to me, one of the lessons that I was taught that I sort of knew, but I think it's being taught to the masses, right to the young people who are watching shows like this for the first time. The lesson relative to trauma and healing here is that only by engaging with one another, you know, doing like shared trauma work in addition to our individual trauma work, can we actually really begin to heal.

51:16 And I that is such a big lesson right now. I feel like there are so many people in so many parts of the world right now who are suffering from a real trauma response based on what their situation is, you know, whether it's war or famine, or crappy leaders or collapse of side you know. I mean, there's like all this stuff going on in the world, and only by banding together and kind of collectively going through this and understanding one another's trauma and taking collective action as a result, can we get through that. So is there a bare lesson to be learned? I don't know. So trauma and healing you've got, you know, discussions of like identity and self awareness. I mean, Sam spends a good portion of this episode kind of going through these existential realization moments, which I just think are fantastic. You know the discussion that she has about the pillow right where she's like, you know, it's just like this pillow wouldn't even exist if somebody hadn't come up with it in their mind. And for anybody who loves to sit around a campfire and just talk about like existential stuff deep deep deep into the night, like I do, I get where she's coming from. Man is like sometimes that that stuff just feels really profound, right, And it was beautiful to see her like explore that throughout the entire episode.

52:44 So you juxtapose that against the doctor's journey, right, you learn about his daughter that he developed, that he then loses that then his heart kind of turns to stone because of that loss, and he won't at anybody else in and he spends how many hundreds of years on an island by himself, an emotional island by himself, And it's only through him opening up and being willing to like be vulnerable through his relationship with Sam, that he's actually able to heal himself. So it's it's exploring identity for Sam. It's you know, the weight of infinity, infinite existence, so to speak. The Highlander has that movie a little bit right where they start kind of talking a little bit about like what it's like to really live for a thousand years. So anyway, I love that part. The third big theme being art and the exploration of using art as a healing tool. I have several friends who are you know, music therapists, art therapists, that kind of stuff, and they really bring real healing to people through using art.

53:55 And using Our Town as the vehicle for that was absolutely brilliant because Our Time explores all these things that Paul was talking about earlier, like the fragility of life, the inevitability of change, the pain of loss, you know, all this kind of stuff, and they they weave that into this story, I think, in a really really seamless way. And yeah, so anyway, very special there. So the fourth theme that I kind of saw was was the idea of kind of like renewal, right, rebooting, rebirth. So Sam dies and I swear to god, Jim, I was with you, dude. I thought they had completely killed her off and I was like, holy shit, I can't believe they just did this with my favorite actress. And then they do the childhood kind of bring back you know, birth scenes, so to speak, and you know that scene doesn't even happen until like fifty six minutes into this episode that's just over an hour long, So it's really just the last like five minutes of this episode where you get this like childhood of Sam kind of slammed through and it's it's her and her like development. But it's really about the doctor also, right, and his healing journey of finally being a parent, finally be again and not having to kind of like heal from the initial parenting loss that he that he sustained, and then just community and connection

55:25 and found family. I this episode was almost perfect. The in fact, maybe it was perfect. I don't know, I can't think of anything wrong with it, like you, Jim, And the thing that I really really really am digging about Starfleet Academy. I used to say that it was the the lightness and kind of the you know, fun nature of the show. But we've seen some dark times here, so I don't think it's that. Whoa, Okay, I think what it really is is it's a refocusing of the show away from like technical prowess, Like I feel like the like Star Trek from the nineties and two thousands has all of this stuff where it's like, dude, we have a weird anomaly. Dude, I have to come up with a really cool technical fix for this, and then boom, we're out of the episode. And that's how it works.

56:18 I think what we're seeing here in Starfleet Academy is this exploration of the idea that, Okay, there are plenty of people out there who are technologically superior to us. The success of Starfleet really doesn't rest in that realm. It really rests on our ability to kind of like connect as human beings or as Starfleet. You know, I shouldn't say just human beings, but like, you know, people, the larger people, multi racial people of Starfleet. It's our ability to connect with one another and share not only our knowledge and things, but our emotional selves. That is really going to be the thing that allows us to succeed in this post burn world that we live in.

57:02 So yeah, absolutely, Stellar episode is a ten plus from me. I could talk about it for another thirty minutes, but I need to stop. Take it away. Yeah, I don't want to go to ahead of botting order here, but I'm after seeing the subsequent episode that we have to get to review. Right, I'm asking myself some questions, Right, how is this iteration of Sam going to be different? Right? Because one of the things I love about the same and why she's so endearing in these, you know, first front end episodes of the season, is she's such a innocent, right, and she's does everything. Oh my god, She's just like so enthusiastic and amazed and just in the moment. She's so in the moment and just delighted by the littlest things, right, And I hope that they don't entirely lose that for her character, so it would be very interesting to see.

58:00 But I think she is a great performance. And just again, I really want to commend the writing of this particular episode. I believe this episode was co written by the series creator. I'm trying to remember her name. It's Guy something other. Apologize for not being able to pull that out of my exhaust pipe. But I'm still learning who everybody is on this show. But gavol Gaviolo, Yeah, Guya Violo has created a show and I think also at least was a co writer, I think probably principal writer in this episode. But it's just superbly done. You know, everyone's talking about it feel like your classic track. It's because the themes are so timeless, right, That's why people are still putting on our clown. You know, decades later, you know, ninety years later, practically, you know, we're still doing that play.

58:55 It's because the human condition is still right, the human condition is just beginning. So I'm pretty exciting. Obviously, I would say a ten for me. I mean, I think this is their best some of their best work. You see all of the actors come together and work as a whole, and we're moving on. We won't be able to talking about it for a while, but good dolly, I mean, tonight is like the first season finale, I am, I have had any sense of what to expect yet, except there will be a lot of threads coming together from that penultimate episode last week. So super excited. We still have a lot to talk about in the weeks to come here. So but yeah, great work everybody on Starfleet Academy. This is how science ficts to be done.

59:47 And the score. I think I said a ten, all right, I think I said that at the front end of ten for me, obviously, I believe was what I. Said, But I love the characters. I love watching them bond and watching them become closer, watching them understand each other, relate to each other. It's it's just a wonderful episode all the way around, just totally awesome. Yeah, and I think it's important to you know, we talk about like, uh, you know, over it's coming together, and Eric talked about it being a different, uh you know kind of vibe, you know, where it's less technological and uh you know, more humanistic if you will, on the show. And I think a lot of that, though, was by design, because yeah, those those atmospheres occur.

1:00:37 Yeah, and oh sorry, Paul, didn't mean to interrupt. Sorry, now, I was just I can, I can. It's not important. No, No, I was agreeing with you absolutely. And you know, one of the things that we didn't talk about in that realm, for example, is you know, we see Ake, as far as I'm concerned, we see Ake intentionally drinking more than I think in this episode. And so there's a there's a willingness for this show to do things like show people's flaws right out in the open and still show that they can be you know, successful people, or like give good counselor or whatever. But to me, there were a couple of shots here where they absolutely we were showing that, and it wasn't just like casual.

1:01:24 It was more like, ugh, I'm so bluff, I have to make a drink, you know, which is yeah, which is that dangerous road? Right? So yeah, it can be, it can be, it can also But you know, I also would think that one of the reasons everyone's able to heal and come together and find these human solutions is, you know, this stuff only occurs at the behest of good leadership, right, And I think the reason that the environment allows everyone to come to these kinds of things is because of the tone that this character sets as a as a commanding officer, Right, she is you know, everyone's oh, she flopped in her chair and she's happy, and they have an issue with that, But that's all about creating a vibe, right where you're more accepting and you're more less uptight. You know, she gets the job done and if you screw up, you're getting a lot of manual labor assigned you, right. But more importantly, she's very accepting of everybody, right, And and if somebody is in jeopardy of not surviving, she's the first one in a shuttlecraft to go to their home planet and try to save them.

1:02:28 Right. So she's you know, she's not just flopping around acting like you know, a space hippy, as somebody who accused her of. She's a great commanding officer and she's a human, very humanistic, you know, leader. And I think that's one of the reasons that all of these cadets feel that they're able to be themselves. It's because they have a leader who lets them. Yep. Yeah, absolutely, I. Want to re jump in. I want to re jump in a couple of things. I know people probably had of Terima, but look at how well she played a character that was under so much trauma. Yeah, she was a stiff character, but that was the that's all the stress she's gone under. That's how some people would react to see that, to see that stiffness and all this pushback from her and suddenly realize what's going on and how it does affect her, and that she does have a finite life and she needs to really give that chance of letting go and living her life. And the one point I was passing down to Eric that he didn't take was the last scene we have a key on the bridge, but as a place that is minimal where we start with the

1:04:00 stage manager, we end with a stage manager, and she ends with one spotlight on her and the scene goes black, and it's like that is such a theatrical moment that I just end the episode. It's like, yeah, okay, let more tears flow because I got emotional my second viewing. It really hit me hard. By what they were going through and what it made a good episode. As for gym thing in the scores, g. Jim, I think my Mad Mathmatics is rather easy right now, since I'm not sure what David's going with. All I see in this page are tens, which means okay to the host. Total right now is ten. This is the highest of the season.

1:04:58 There's still a room for David to give it one of and a half. Yeah, it will be like I don't know, these teenagers and stuff lights and whatever, emotional I don't know. I don't know. It's like this theater and a streaming movie theaters like. No, I'd rather listen to Queen. As we say in the whole houses of Parliament, David, We're just.

1:05:44 They would say that I've been there, they. Would is he still there? Did he? David's still there? Okay? All right? Oh so Matt claps up Review Free Academy and guess what time it is? Yes, that's right, it's time for sci five birthdays.

1:06:31 That was not a clon song. No, people don't like it anyways. All right, guess this is the part of the show where you can find out what sci fi actor you share a birthday with if your birthday happens to be this week. And we always still our sci fi birthdays. I remember those members of the sci Fi Filmis, sadly enough are no longer with us for that, returned to Eric. Yeah, Jim. This week we start our remembrances with actor Davis Roberts. Davis Roberts from Mobile, Alabama was an actor who played doctor Ozaba in the TOS third season episode The m Path. Throughout his long career, Roberts appeared in over thirty feature films, including many that you have heard of. The one that really tweaked my interest was Westworld from nineteen seventy three.

1:07:21 He also appeared in plenty of television series of the time, like I Dream of Genie and Mission Impossible and Gun Smoke and all that sort of stuff. So, Davis Roberts, thank you so much for your contributions to Star Trek. We lost you back in nineteen ninety three. Happy birthday. Happy birthday to Yeah he was the night. Oh oh, well, there you go. I I missed that. I haven't seen that one yet, but I need to put it. On the list. Thanks all right. Happy birthday to Mickey Morton, the actor who appeared in Star Trek the original series, playing Drill Thrall clue ooh yeah, you know that guy with the teeth and the hair and everything in the second season episode The Gamesters of Treskellion.

1:08:07 Other television credits of his include appearances on All the Things that You've Heard of. The one that piqued my interest was that he was on Fantasy Island with Ricardo Montemont. He was also on Alice with Vic Tabeck, and I was like, he was in an episode of Alice and I need to go back and find this who in nineteen Yeah. In nineteen seventy eight, Mickey Morton appeared in the infamous Star Wars Holiday special as a bookie named Mala, who of course was Chewy's wife. He also co starred with fellow TS guest stars Frank Gorshen and William Shallard in the nineteen seventy nine TV special Legends of the Superheroes, and with LeVar Burton and Kurtwog Smith in the nineteen eighty five TV movie The Midnight Hour. So this guy's been around the way, despite the kind of weird role that play are. So happy birthday to Mickey Morton. Happy birthday as well to Patty Edwards, the actress who played the role of Anya in the Next Generation second season episode The dou Fime. She began her acting career in the early sixties and continued all the way until her death.

1:09:18 She was well known as a voice actress on a number of Disney animated movies, including The Little Mermaid, Hercules, and she was also the voice of Gozer in Ghostbusters from nineteen eighty four other films all over the place. You can check out her IMDb. I saw her in Corvette Summer, which I saw for some reason. I don't remember why. But she had guest appearances on the comedy series Night Court as Bull Shannon's mother, working of course with John Larriqutt in that series. So happy birthday to Patty Edwards. Happy birthday as well to Angelique Petty John born Dorothy Lee Parns. Portrayed Shahana in the second season episode The Gamesters of Treskellion, our second actor from that episode this Week.

1:10:07 Initially noted for her work on a number of B movies and TV shows, was considered at one time for the role of Nova in the original Planet of the Apes film. She did start a number of adult and B movies throughout the seventies, and I think one of her coolest stories is that after a Star Trek the motion picture came out, she became really involved in the convention scene and it actually provided enough income for her to be able to kind of rehabilitate her life, including helping her overcome bouts of alcoholism and drug abuse and that kind of stuff. So Star Trek was really a healing vehicle for Angelique Petty John, and I just think that's so special. Unfortunately, we lost her way too early at the age of forty eight years old. Happy birthday to Angelique Petty John. Happy birthday as well to Kate Woodville, the English actress who played Natira in the TuS third season episode This for the World Is Hollow. And I Have Touched the Sky. Initially credited as Catherine Woodville, she was quite a prolific actress during the nineteen sixties and seventies, appearing in a number of movies and guest starring in television series all over the place. In fact, the murder of her character in the first episode of The Avengers was the driving force for that series right from the get go. So pretty cool. You can check her out, and things like Mission Impossible and Black Gun and the

1:11:37 World War two TV mini series The Reineman Exchange from nineteen seventy seven, which actually also starred Renee Auberjenoiss as well, and Culjak The Knight Sockers yet another one. Kate was born in the UK. She did unfortunately lose her life here in Portland, Oregon, back in twenty thirteen at seventy five years old. So happy birthday to Kate Whinville. Happy Birthdays. There's a connection between her pass and. I'm trying to, like, weirdly claim some cred that I'm not sure I want. Yeah, is our city responsible for her dog? Sounds like you're. Saying, I'm not really sure what I'm saying, Paul. I'm sorry was a.

1:12:21 Great career, as English actors had a great career Portland. Orgon, that's what I'm hearing twenty thirteen. Yeah, it's all. It's all. I was here, man, it's all. The rain. Can't let yours out. I'm sure she spent her last days, uh, you know, enjoying all of the wonderful things about Portland. Oh yes, all right. Moving on, Happy birthday to Frank Emmons Overton uh, the actor who played Elia Sandoval in the TuS first season episode This Side of Paradise. He is among the few guest star actors in the original series who have been listed with the credits of special guest Star, so he was a big enough cheese when he got the role to be special guest star. He had a reoccurring role on the television World War two series Twelve o'clock High, but he's probably best known for his film role as Sheriff heck Tate in the Acclaim nineteen sixty two adaptation of To Kill a Mockingbird. Unfortunately, Overton's life and career were cut short when he suffered a heart attack in nineteen sixty seven, dying at the young age of forty nine years old. Just a month or so after This Side of Paradise actually came out. So happy birthday to Frank Overton, and last, but certainly not least, we offer

1:13:51 our condolences and warm remembrances to Anton Viktrovich Joachin, the Russian born actor from southern California who played Pavel Chekhov in Star Trek two thousand and nine, Star Trek Into Darkness and Star Trek Beyond. He also played Kyle Reese in the Terminator Salvation movie. Yelchin was of course born in Leningrad, which is now known as Saint Petersburg in Russia, with the second largest city of the Soviet Union at the time, and when he was only six months old, his parents emigrated to the United States, mostly because of their Jewish background and the fact that the Soviets were not that friendly to Jews. Walter Kanig actually shares that kind of connection with him. He's also of Soviet Jewish parentage, although his folks were from Lithuania versus Russia. Anton was active in film and television starting in the year two thousand, when he was only eleven years old, until his death in twenty sixteen. In two thousand and nine, He was part of the Star Trek Ensemble, which received a Washington, DC Area Film Critics Association Award nomination in the category Best Ensemble and won a Boston Society of Film Critics Award in the category of Best Ensemble. He also enjoyed playing the guitar, and privately, we found out later was battling cistic fibrosis, relying on treatments from the Southern University

1:15:24 of Southern California's Kex Hospital while he was still with us. After his death, they formed a foundation to help actors with disabilities like him. Twenty seventeen, and following a one million dollar donation, the Adult Cistic Fibrosis Center at Keck Hospital was renamed the Anton Yelchin Cystic Fibrosis Clinic. So really special actor lost through a weird accident when he was twenty seven years old. Happy Birthday to Anton Yelchin. And that does it for our remembrances, guys, So let's pass the flaming birthday candle on TV all right?

1:16:05 The first Happy Birthday goes to Marnie Moseman, who played the cultured woman in TNG second season episode Loud as a Whisper. She has been married to the Q actor John Delancey since nineteen eighty four and is the mother of Trek actors Keegan and Owen Delancey. Keegan playing a great role with his dad in He was Q Junior on Voyager That was Fantastic episode. Also Happy Birthday to Jonathan del Arco. He's an Uruguayan born actor who played Hugh in TNG fifth and seventh season episodes I Borg and Descent Part Two. He reprised the role in the Star Trek Picard first season episodes The End Is the Beginning, The Impossible Box, and Napan. He also appeared as Pantome in The Voyager seventh season episode The Void. That was a great episode two by the Way. Next Happy Birthday goes out to Allison Becker, actress and comedian who voiced Victoria Newsa in the Lower Decks third season episode Trusted Sources.

1:17:23 She's best known for her role as reporter SHAWNA. Malway tweep, I love that name in the sitcom Parks and Recreation. Next Happy Birthday goes out to Danny Pudi, who played Fijah in Star Trek Beyond. Born in Chicago, Illinois, he's best known for his role as wayward college student, pop culture aficionado and self avowed Trekki abed Nadir in the sitcom community, and then, last but not least, Happy Birthday to Olivia Wilde. She is an Irish American actress who played Quorra in Tron Legacy and Ella Swinson in Cowboys and Aliens. Now flaming birthday candle gets hurled over to Paul.

1:18:18 Thank you, b I appreciate that very much. You are. Kudos to your fine pronunciations of all of these different right things today as well. I appreciate a good pronunciation. Anyhow, let's continue. Happy Birthday goes out to a motion picture star Joanna Miles, who played Paren in Next Generation third season episode Sarac and fifth season episode Unification one. Who is Paren? Well, a later spouse of beloved Sarac would be who friends? You call yourself? Star trek Fans you don't know about parent? Come on, that's very these vulcans Issarak in particular. Well, my wife's been cold for a while. Well, I think i'd better go get married again. I mean they seem to have maybe. Sorry, I got a thing for the the you know, human females. I'm just thinking, well, you know, it seems they seems to me had a thing.

1:19:15 I don't know, but there you go. I'm just based on the evidence that's Cannon found. You guys are married to Cannon. I'm just you know, judging from Canada. So there you go. She also worked on The Glass Managerie in nineteen seventy three, which earned her two Emmy Awards, is Best Supporting Actress Gona and Best Supporting Actors of the Year. She portrayed Judge Evelyn Magruder in the nineteen ninety five film Judge Dread. That's the stallone version of Judge drud which has its awkward moments, but it's really fun to look at. Oh give it that. There you go. So Juanna Miles, Happy birthday to you. My friend. Happy birthday to actress Donna Murphy, who Tony Award winning American stage actress and television actress who played a Niche in Starturek Insurrection. Born in Corona, New York. That's in Queens if you need to know about that, after which she grew up in hop Ago Hop. This is a New York burro.

1:20:16 I do not know. Well, it's not hot bog hophog I think is what it is. I'm sorry anybody with that name. Oh my god, please forgive me. I love everything about New York, but oh my god, I think it's gotta be hop Bog. I'm pretty sure I'll be looking at it after the show. Happy birthday to the luminous Rachel Vice, English actress best known for her role as Evelyn Carnahan in the Mummy franchise of films The Money and the Mummy Returns, and also played Melina Vostakoff in the Black Widow solo film from the Mobal Cinematic Universe, and last I checked, she was married to Daniel Craig and I'm enjoying a very lovely marriage together with there. But she's very talented. I mean we could just barely scratch the surface of her work a short amount of time that we have here, but I'm telling you really impressive. I mean she's done a lot of great work. So a very good actress, full of good work. Amazing, So do not sell her short.

1:21:20 Rachel Bisses is spectacular. This next, gentleman, I'm a big fan of, and I think one of our best living actress. Frankly is Guatemalan American actor Oscar Isaac, who is phenomenal, and a lot of people are like, oh, yeah, the Star Wars guy, right, Yeah, In The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi and all that, he played a fighter pilot Po Dameran, Right, was really great character in one of the highlights of the sequel trilogy. Right, Po Dameran's terrific and thanks to their good fortune to hire and be able to get Oscar Isaac to do their work. But this guy is phenomenal. Okay, I've been enjoying his career for quite a long time, ever since he appeared in a science fiction movie called X Machina And if you don't know, X Macana run so good.

1:22:10 That's so good. I saw that movie in the theater and I walked out, and my wife and I looked at each other and were like, we just kind of have to sit with that for like fifteen minutes before we can even start to talk about. The same kat who did the original twenty eight days later, who wrote that right, really brilliant work. But he's amazing in that picture a movie everybody should see, real serious sci fi. In the Dune movies, the recent Denis Villeneuv movies. He plays Duke Lico Atredees, Paul's father and did so so memorably in that first movie. Oh my God. He was just phenomenal. MCU fans know him as being Moonlight in the limited series that was on there for a while, where he played a couple of different roles. Moonlight is quite amazing because Oscar had to play a couple of different versions of the same character, battling it out inside of his consciousness. It's an amazing performance spread out over several episodes, really really tough work. And then just this last year he had the headline role in as the doctor doctor Victor Frankenstein in Guiermo del Toro's Frankenstein. Wow, okay, I mean to be able to work with Deni and Guillermo del Toro. I mean, he's just had such an incredible career, really really comes to work hard when it's time for a role. He's just never just fund today.

1:23:41 He's a tremendous performer. A big fan Oscar. I would love to get a chance to interview some day. You're just amazing. Happy Birthday goes out to American actress Sharon Stone, who very often will play temptaos and women of Mystery and her She first showed up and had a breakthrough role in Paul Verhoven's Total Recall wife of Arnold Schwarzenegger in that particular movie. But this is a seriously talented woman, okay, I mean what an actor. I mean, she's done so many different pictures, really great Western she did with Sam Raimi called it Quick in the Dead. Of course, everyone remembers her for her famous slouching posture in Basic Instincts, which is not to be forgotten anytime soon, worked really memorably with SCORSESEI in Casino. She's just done so many great pictures, right, I mean, you just she's always working all the time. I mean, she's had a huge CV tons of stuff open, open, what's the word of outspoken?

1:24:47 You know, does not shy away from saying her mind and really talented, does action and drama equally. Well, she's just an illuminary so a tremendous performer, A big fan. And then I'll close out here going back to the original series and say a happy birthday to Nancy Kovac, who folks may remember for playing Nonah rather memorably in the second season original series episode of Private Little War let's go back. All I can say is you caused some serious injuries to me as a young man growing up, and that's really let's just leave it at that. But I had never seen anyone like you, and I don't think I have said so. I mean, amazing, indelible, unforgettable performance.

1:25:36 So they have it amazing. There's a lot of eye candy in the original series. And I should stop talking while I still can. So i's still f on microphone. That's all this. Yeah, but I was young, young you think things here? You're thing is making indelible, bringing out like a puppy little imprint on some thing, like, oh, it's the first thing I've ever seen. Well, you know, certain behaviors are cemented in childish forever. So there you are, all right, but segue really awkwardly to Uncle Jim. Didn't she get attacked by the No?

1:26:19 No, no, she was Nona was the healer. She was the only one who knew how to save. If you got bit by Magatu, if you didn't get to Nona, you're dead because she had the She was like a new to woman, don't you remember that? I am then a canwto woman. Captain. I have the special herbs. I'm going to rub all over your body what she does and shed flimb on top of you and her crazy fury best that she was wearing. And yeah, I think Uncle Chimneys get me some images in my head that I don't want. Everything I'm saying is canny. That's just important history, Uncle Jim, and you started.

1:27:03 That's is true. It was a situating thing. I had to be along. So so far. All right, I don't have a long I usually save the kling host last. My first one, though, is not a klingon, although she was. A major league back in the day. And uh, she. Was talking about with Nancy here a moment. Uh, we want to say happy birthday to Francisco Romano Rivelli, who professionally was known as Oh my God as Omala Moute.

1:27:52 She's a very Italian actress. But outside of Italy. What is she known for. She's known for playing and Ash Gordon as Princess Aura. And uh, you know who did the sound shock. For that, David. The King. You know, I would be a miss. I would be your miss. With my job as the host, I didn't do. You know one very important thing for you. Guys, and that is. Thank you all right, now you're going to.

1:28:33 Be and that's by the Queen's dedicate. That Freddy Mercury would be proud or something. I feel like we need show notes that are like, we know it's not pronounced, we know it's not the Queen's. I feel like entertain a lawyer in Hollywood strike right now. You know it's. People all the podcast who get it and those who don't longer so they do.

1:29:16 How did you pronounce? How did you pronounce her name? Ornella? Muti? Did you say it? Where? Mama? Something? I mean, said Francis Cornella Moody. Right, just let's get it right. I beg of you, Cornella. It's like tell it only differently. What were you saying earlier about appreciating great pronunciation? Paul, Oh, I do have some cling on so we can move away, but it's right up there, so I gotta get that.

1:30:03 We don't want to say happy birthday. It's Fricia O'Neal. She's the actress from Shreesport, Louisiana, who played Rachel Garrett in the TNG third season episode Yesterday's. Enterprise Phenomenal Phenomenal episode. She also appear as correct in the sixth season episode Suspicions and Coronie in the DS nine third season episode Defiant and there she is on the screen. She was a queen on a Cardassian and a star fleet captain. So happy birthday, Costricia O'Neill. Her character was also featured in Section thirty one, although not played by this actress.

1:30:44 Yeah, and Jim, if you're Jim, I'll just say if you're interested in more Rachel Garrett stuff too, there's a there's a Star Trek novel called Well of Souls that kind of features her that I've read that is not too shabby. So if you really dig that enterprise see Captain, I want to know more about her, you can check out that book. Oh, Nacelle is about to release the very first Rachel Garrett action figure like in Weeks from Them like any Day. That has got a stunning lightness of Tisha O'Neill, So look for that. We'll have to have an alive on boxing with Paul maybe possibly. Of course, she was on Bablon Fire and Parana to the Spawning another one of those classics that you can't miss.

1:31:31 Karana to the Spawn. I'll leave it at that and lost but not least on my list, the ultimate Klingon, the Klingon. Badass of all Klingon badasses, the badass who put them in the arm of one of his friends and blew him up just to make it we will Patrick Mussette, Who the hell is he? Who is he? Paul? He's doing as. That's right, and I believe it that though. This is the part that shocks me. I think most fans. He only appeared in two two episodes of Starship, but it seems like he was around forever, like he's one of those quint the sense of Klingons.

1:32:17 But he only appeared twice. The first time was in the episode Sins of the Father, and the last time we see him it was in Reunion where he kills Kalar two excellent episode. I think that's why he's so memorable, because he was only in two, but he was into kick ass. I think, hey, why only we thought that he was in more episode would because your name would mention throughout the entire Sister. And he's just. And in and in Reunion he is just just I mean, he just he's like Bond villain level evil. He's just like everybody, he's just you know, he owned that role.

1:33:03 I mean he's just so, he's just he's just yeah, you just want it. You love hating him. He's just terribly. Yeah. He was really really good. And in twenty ten, he joined the Battlestar Galactica series, serving as co executive producer, and he wrote two episodes self Happy Birthday, Patrick Massette and guess what that wraps up. Our Star Trek birthdays? Hard to believe? Hard to believe. It's almost time for our Star Trek news, but I gotta leave this one one.

1:33:44 Clean themselves all that it's time for our Star Trek news. And Eric, do you have a song for us? I do not, but we have a new segment which is parallel to our Shatner says, what segment? But this time we're saying. Frakes says, what That's right. Jonathan Frakes confirms that he just directed his final Star Trek episode for now. Jonathan Frakes confirmed that Star Trek Starfleet Academy Episode nine is the final Star Trek episode he has directed. Written by Kristen Byer from a story by Buyer and Kenneth Lynn. Star Trek Starfleet Academy Episode nine, three hundredth Night is the first half of season one's two part finale.

1:34:29 Fraakes began his directing career while he played Commander William Riker in Star Trek The Next Generation, including Star Trek, Starfleet Academy episode nine. Jonathan has helmed thirty one episodes total of Next Generation, Deep Space Nine, Voyager, Discovery, Picard, Strange, New Worlds, and the feature films First Contact and Insurrection. He verified rumors that three hundred yeah, that. Yeah, the ultimate Strek resume. Yeah, I think that's. Yeah, what more things say? I mean, I don't know if there's anybody else that's done more, and it's it's a pretty good resume and there's a lot of really high quality stuff on there.

1:35:16 He verified that rumors that three hundredth night is the last episode of Star Trek he will direct for the time being. He said, uh, yeah, it wouldn't have been. I wouldn't have been able to make the schedule for the other shows. So perhaps he was approached for the other shows that are currently in development and he was not able to accommodate their schedules. Star Trek, Starfleet, Strange, New Worlds Season four and five were filmed in twenty twenty five, and filming of its series finale wrapped in December. Star Trek Starfleet Academy Season two's filming began in August twenty twenty five and wrapped in late February twenty twenty six. Frake said that it didn't work with his schedule in twenty twenty five, which included launching his new podcast with Brent Spiner, dropping names and other things. The final episode of Star trek Strange New Worlds that Jonathan Franks directed was a space adventure hour, the Holidack Murder mystery episode of season three. Unfortunately, a space adventure hour wasn't as acclaimed or warmly received as those old Scientists. Star Trek's Strange New world season two crossover with Star Trek's Lower Decks that Franks also helmed. Beyond Star Trek, Jonathan Fraankes has directed episodes of many television series like Roswell Castle, The Librarians, The Orville, and the feature films Clock Stoppers and Thunderbirds. However, Frakes is best known and most beloved as the favorite director of the various Star Trek folks

1:36:49 on Paramount Plus casts. The Affable Bearded Legend has worked with, starting with Star Trek Discovery. Franks has been making Star Trek of one kind or another free very long time, so he has some experience when it comes to dealing with fandoms. He calls himself an eternal optimist, but is nonetheless surprised by how much hate Starfleet Academy has received in some quarters. He said, I was prepared because when Next Gen came out almost forty years ago, we were trolled, he laughs. Nobody wanted us, and this was pre Internet. But it's still dimensionally more painful today as the trolls are hiding and the trolls are hating the first rule of the Constitution. I guess they're entitled to their opinion, but it surprises me how aggressive anti they are with each new iteration of the show. And he continues to surprise me, and I tried not to let it upset me.

1:37:44 That is smart, Jonathan, given that half of it's probably produced by machines and not people. Star Trek Starfleet Academy Episode eight is Jonathan Frank's last Star Trek directorial gig, at least for the time being, as there is no new Star Trek currently in production. When Paramount Skydance decides on what the next Trek direction of Star Trek will be and whether it will continue Alex Kurtzman's run as Star Trek. Executive producer Jonathan Frakes would likely be happy to return and direct whatever Star Trek comes next if asked. So yeah, I mean, you know, he's kind of saying, well, there's no new Star Trek coming up, so I haven't been hired for anything, but that resume is really something else, and it's fun to think about all of the cool stuff he's done in Star Trek. I actually got to shake the man's hand once, and I will tell you that he had a very nice, cool touch and he looks you right in the eye when he shakes your hand, which is very cool. So anyway, that's our information about Jonathan Frakes. So yeah, oh, of course, of course.

1:38:56 I always got to tell a story. When Star Trek first came out. My wife was totally a name or by writer, loved him, loved him, love him. So I got to go to a Star Trek convention so she didn't meet him, and it was up in Syracuse, New York, and we had a nice storm and they canceled the convention, but. We were already there. So we're sitting in the lobby between first and second season and Jonathan Franks comes walking out to head off to the airport and guess what he has a beard. Oh my god. So we go over to talk to him, and the guy that was run in the convention whisks him out to do we don't have time for this. We've got to get him of the airplane. Jonathan Franke says, I always have time for my fans.

1:39:38 Is that not cool? We go into the ballroom. He sits down with me and my wife and a friend of mine and we're like a minute, minute and a half, It wasn't long. What do you think about the beard? And we're like why we like it? And he says, I'll keep it for the next season. And we got a picture with him. He put his honor because she literally he was just like watching mhm Jonathan Frakes, And he took a picture with us, shook our hand, and he walked out the door. Like I said, it was a two three minute conversation, but it meant the world to us. So he is a class act guy all the way. So you could say that you were responsable for him having a beard in the second season.

1:40:22 Just imagine if we had said no and shaved it off. Yeah, so, and I alsome. I want to say something to all these people out there. When you have someone with the resume of Jonathan Frakes defending Starfleet Academy. You have somebody like Kate mole Grew coming to the defense of Starfleet Academy. You have Mary Wiseman coming to the defense of Starfleet Academy, George George de Kay coming to the defense of Starfleet Academy. These are just not I mean, these are major Star Trek actors. All these people that. Are hating on it, You guys are mm hmm okay.

1:41:05 These people know their Star Trek, so obviously you're not seeing something that's there. I'm not gonna talk about it anymore, all right, Paul, You're got on next story, buddy, all right, thank you. But this just in pronunciation experts. Of fun and asked me to make a. Slight correction to my beloved New Yorkers. I must tell you that, yes, I have learned that it is the beautiful Hamlet is pronounced hop hog hop hog hop. Thank you and apologies. We're here to educate you on this show. And if something's mispronounced, we're gonna just grab the emergency break of that subway train and we're going to correct it.

1:41:47 So and I would like to lead by example. Okay, So there we go. Mispronunciation fixed. Now let's move on to the world of special effects and crazy prismatic psychedelic conjectures, shall we, Because for sixty years Star Trek has had very colorful depictions of rainbows one way or another. And let's talk about the rainbow warp effect. If we will. You have seen it all dozens of times, banners, posters, trailers, intro title sequences that vivid rainbow like warped field spectrum let's use in some capacity, and nearly every Stark movie and TV series since it was first adopted for nineteen seventy nine's Star Trek The Motion Picture. The latest iteration of this prismatic display appears in episode intros of Star Trek Starfleet Academy. Now, in this new sixtieth anniversary tribute to the trademark visual a parade of notable Federation viro Starps starships, we can see the blazing new interstallar trails towards new worlds and new civilizations and kind of a warped conduit if you will. All the lineup shows the Original Enterprise, the Enterprise, A Enterprise D, the Defiant, the Voyager, n XO one, the Discovery, and the Stranger World's Enterprise, and then wraps up with the USS Athena from Starfleet Academy.

1:43:14 Sure this nostalgic birthday animation sequence might be missing a few favorite ships, the Cerritos for example, from Lower Decks, the Protostar Prodigy, the Enterprise E from you know, First Contact. I mean, how much time do we have? Really? I mean, you know, it's a a fantastic way to embrace the franchises enduring legacy in a very exhilarating manner by lining up all these legendary armade in one big thing. But what was it about the original eye catching faster than light esthetic? What does it represent? What did is it involved to become instantly recognizable part of the Star Trek U? How did Star Trek become synonymous with the rainbow? This is a very repetitive story, wouldn't you say? The initial use of what's now become known as the rainbow warp effect was boldly seen in paramounts ad campaign that you can see right now if you're a Patreon, because there it is. If you're a member, you can see the colors unless your color blind.

1:44:08 That's okay. Is originally seen for the ad campaign and one movie poster for director Robert Wise's Star Trek the Motion Picture Award winning American movie illustrator Bob Peete designed the iconic rainbow poster for Star Trek the Motion Picture. Quite simply, it was a way to represent the visible light spectrum shift that occurred anytime the Enterprise made a warp jump. Okay, the warp rainbow caught on and become a trademark element for future Star Trek films. But while the rainbow effect was meant to indicate a warp field, it was also a deliberate design choice to latch onto the popularity of rainbows and pop culture in the latter part of the decade, whether it was Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon, the Apple logo, Morcs suspenders I think that's referencing You, Charles, or the rising use of the rainbow as a symbol for lgbt Q plus pride. The seventies were all about rainbows. Okay, where did this article come from? I'm really curious as to the sources. It's quite colorfully written. I think that would be the only way to describe it. So we shall reflect on that known further. But anyhow, go watch this week Starfiet Academy and keep your wie your eyes peeled for rainbows, if you so choose, and we'll pass this over to the vivacious Virginian herself.

1:45:31 The very alliterative there, Paul, Thank you so much, thank you. Ah, yes, well. Star Trek Prodigy wins an Emmy for Animation and that was its second Emmy. The second season of the series picked up the award for Animation at the fourth annual Children's and Family Emmy Awards. Star Trek Prodigy visual development artist Bastion Grevey was honored with a Special Jury Prize for Outstanding Individual Achievement in Animation Background Design. These Jury Prizes do not compete with other nominees and are announced shortly before the ceremony. This is a second time Prodigy has won a Jury award at the Emmys. In twenty twenty two, production designer Alessandro yes Taney won a Jury Award for his work on the series. Star Trek Prodigy also had two nominations for the Children and Family Emmy Awards in twenty twenty six. Series star Kate mulgrew was nominated for Outstanding Multiple Role Voice Performer, sadly losing out to David Irigo Junior from Tiny Toons University, and writer and co producer Jennifer Muro was nominated for Outstanding Writing for Children's or Young Teen Animated Series for the episode

1:47:03 The Devourer of All Things Part One, but the award went to the Pixar Disney Plus series Win or Lose. The second season of Prodigy was exclusive to Netflix. The streamer licensed the show after it was dropped by Paramount Plus in the summer of twenty twenty three. Work on the second season was already being finalized when Paramount Plus dropped the show Gosh Save A Way of Dropping Good Shows, Don't Say Ah. Following a Save Star Trek Prodigy fan campaign, the series was picked up by Netflix, which began streaming the first season on Christmas Day twenty twenty three. Season one exited next Netflix last summer was season two, disappearing from Netflix at the end of December twenty twenty five.

1:47:54 It isn't known if the show will find a new streaming home or return to Paramount plus and two six. But if you want to ensure you can see Prodigy anytime you want, in the best possible quality, regardless of licensing, shenanigans, and you know if they Sheanan once, they will sanan again. Sorry, couldn't resist. You can pick it up on physical media. The twenty episode first season is available on Amazon, split into two, Volume one and Volume two. The Blu Ray releases for each volume include collectible character cards. The twenty season episode, twenty season episode, twenty season sorry, twenty episode second season is available in a single package on Blu Ray or DVD. So that is I think oop, I think this repeats anyway, Yes, So that's Star Trek Prodigy.

1:49:00 As you're gonna come back on Paramount Plus or whenever they call it. It should it's part of the Star Trek. It should be there. They told us that that was going to be the home start, So let's get back. Come on people, you know, and in season two was phenomenal. We reviewed it here on the podcast. I think it was great. I've got one more scary here for you. Hereto TV adds a new free channel. This match with Star Track Movies. Plato TV just watched a free channel with major content drops. In March, the free streaming service debuted the Star Trek Motion Pictures. Here's what fans can expect.

1:49:47 Watch Paramount plus Pluto TV. They just delivered science picture fans the ultimate gift. The Star Trek Motion Picture Channel launched on March first, with all thirteen theatrical films free, from the original series Crew through the Next Generation to the Kelvin Timeline reboots. Viewers get complete access with no paywall. William Shatner, Patrick Store, and The Modern Past all featured in his massive collection. The channel runs on rotation throughout March for a limited time access. The movie marks Photo TV's aggressive expansion into premium content. Star Trek fans previously needed pay subscriptions to access these films. Now corn cutters enjoy iconic titles like Star Trek two, The Rack of con First Contact, and Into Darkness without spending a dime.

1:50:41 Paramount clearly sees free television as a growth strategy for attracting subscribers to the ecosystem. The real final front here was the cinema. For a limited time watch all thirteen theatrical Star Truk movies for free, all on one channel from the original series Crew the Next Generation Crew. You can boldly go where content has never gone before. And that, my friends, wraps up the podcast Hard to Believe, Hard to Believe, and go watch CLO TV. Why some Star Trek movies. They're all there, They're all waiting for you.

1:51:22 What can I say, Uncle Jim, if we have two minutes, I'd just like to add a story really quickly. Okay, our fans, just real quick and I'll be out. But this is pending stuff, and I think everyone should maybe get excited. I don't know if it's been like over twenty four years, right, but the people have been loving the cult fire TV science fiction show Firefly for almost a quarter of a century. Right. It's been off the air for a long time. There's been a lot of April Fool's jokes in the past about will it come back? Will there be a Firefly reunion? Will it be a reboot? Well, series star Nathan Fillion has been going around doing a series of shorts where he goes to various people's who were on the show and knocks on their door and basically says, you want to come and do something with me, And he's done it to just about every living cast member of the show, right and the last video he did it says there's going to be an announcement of some kind with all of the Firefly actors together at Awesome Con in DC, this coming Sunday, March fifteenth. So I don't know what it is. I don't know if it's a reboot, if it's a you know, it could be anything. But there's been a lot of build up on this and it is billion and all the Firefly actors.

1:52:45 Has anyone else been seeing this or am I. The old Oh? Yeah, no, noo, yeah yeah. And I mean I know for sure that he's got Alan Tudic involved and Adam Baldwin involved in whatever. Tores all of them. Yeah, he's he's confirmed that it's not for like a podcast or you know, any like week we guess stuff like that. So it's it. Yeah, I don't know what it is, but I'm just saying, I mean, anything involving New Firefly that would involve the original past would be something spectacular. I'm very excited to find out what this is. So, I mean sci fi fans.

1:53:29 I'm hoping folks out there know what Firefly is, and that I mean out here in Portland, Oregon. It's kind of like a weird ground central for Firefly fans. I mean that they have Brown Coke conventions and we're like really steeped in it out here. But I don't know if everyone else has seen this or the follow up movie, Serenity that they did, but it's great sci fi and it's full of heart and action and laughs and it's just really good stuff. If we're getting more of this, this is fantastic. But I just wanted to make sure to mention this in advance of Sunday's announcement, so folks can be keeping their ears open and we'll talk about what it really is next week. So thanks. I just want to squeeze at. It, and if they do do another Firefly, we'll definitely have to review it on this podcast if you guys want to.

1:54:12 Oh, it's such a great show. It's such a great show. Absolutely, well, guys, have some up our show. Next week. We're going to be talking about the Jonathan Breaks directed episode The three hundredth Night, which is part one of the Cliffhanger, which was on last week, so you want to tune in for that, and I'm your most excellent host Uncle Jim, and I want to say thank you so much to Paul for hanging out and Shrek talking with us to night. Thank you so much, Paul. Super fun, super fun. I'm really going to miss Start Fleet Academy when it's off the air, but it is really fun. But we always have something to talk about, and so thanks for being my special group therapy. Friends helps me at the end of each week coping with the state of the world to come here and talking about a better DEMI. So thanks friends.

1:55:01 Well, I mean we're gonna be talking with Doug Jones mister Sue at some point next month. And I've always got feelers out there. I'm always trying to get people on the show, so you never know who I'm going to pull out on my. Uh cell Toys Brianwise from the Cell Toys brother, that's that's the get to answer any of my requests. That's crazy. Yeah, I don't get it. I don't get it. Yeah, he does so much social media it's crazy. I don't know, but yeah, yeah, it's funny. I don't know what that what's up with that. But but yeah, but anyway, we'll we'll we'll for sure talk about it.

1:55:44 I mean absolutely. I want to say thank you so much to Eric for hanging out and talking with us tonight. Thank you, Eric, absolutely agree. You guys are my group therapy. Thank you. And it's nice to have you. Yes, yeah, yep and next yep, oh thank you. Yeah. Next week I will be at Galaxy Con in Richmond, Virginia. So I don't know if any of our Trek Talking people will be there, but ostensibly I'm going to be dressed as Walksana Troy with a mini mister home. So if you are there and you see me, please say hello because I'd love to meet some fans in real life.

1:56:32 So and I will network. I'll see if I can get more people to want to come on our podcast. That would be so awesome. And of course to David for hanging on with us and putting off these awesome videos, which finally I mentioned earlier. We do have a video running right now. You guys can go over to our Facebook page at Trek Talk and Beyond and check this out. Guys for ninety nine cents you heard me right, Cheaper than a cup of coffee at Starbucks. For ninety nine cents a month, you can have full access to all of our videos, like the one we're filming right now. Our audio podcast are for free can be found on trek Talking dot com.

1:57:22 But if you want to see the videos that Eric puts together or that I'm sorry Eric Portland and so is David, the videos that David puts together for us, you can do that by going to Trek Talking and Beyond and becoming a subscriber for just ninety nine cents, so you have that. And I also want to say thank you to Charles for hanging out in trek Talking with us. Thank you Charles. As Paul said, it's therapy. It's needed therapy. Absolutely and we needed that, don't and I have That's and host Uncle Jim saying please everybody stay safe and beg to do each other. Alling frequencies are clothes and speak of that. Amus warp Lay, guess what.

1:58:09 All the David mister slou I had wark Walk warp Bot Sir heading sir. Out there. That a way Woo hoo