Episode 682 - Behind the Mask: Doug Jones's Journey in Sci-Fi and Fantasy

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1:23 Hey guys. Thursday, April sixteen, twenty twenty six. Welcome to Truck Talking and Beyond, Episode six and eighty two. I'm your most excellent host, Uncle Jim. Welcome to the podcast. Before we go too far, I'd like to introduce my awesome truck spirts. We're gonna start off with Eric. Eric is out in Portland. How are you doing tonight? Eric? How could I be doing any better? We have the most amazing guests on the show tonight. I'm I can barely keep my energy contained at this point, so yeah, I'm doing great. I also have with us David. David also out in Portland. How do you doing tonight? David? I'm doing pretty good. It's gonna be really exciting. It's a great day to trik talk. It is for me, and we also have out in Portland. Paul.

2:03 How you're doing tonight, Paul, I'm doing well, my friend. And to echo Eric, I mean today is just stop depresses. I mean every now and then, we're lucky enough to have a motion picture luminary in our midst. I mean I'm checking my pulse regularly, making sure I'm still conscious here on earth. But yeah, pretty excited, pretty excited. To be sure. So high with us from Las Vegas, Charles, How you're doing tonight, Charles, I'm doing good. Studio Bee is getting blown around, so I'm cool. Are staying? Uh? When on? When blown in studio? A looking forward to our. And last but not least from Virginia.

2:43 We have our very own v I am so excited. My face is blue. I don't know why it's I'm Mandorian. I don't know it happens, but yeah, I'm just I'm not holding my breast. I'm not turning blue. And what kind of milk have you been drinking? The stuff that Brewce served Luke? Yes? And with us joining us live tonight we have Derek Mackie and he's been acting since he was seven years old. He's originally from Massachusetts, right up here in my neck of the woods, the state where he graduated high school, and Kyler Journey is a socials degree and broadcasting and telecommunications. Welcome to the podcast there.

3:33 Thank you for having me. Someone has done their research. I'm a little humbled mass right. Well, the next our next guest really needs no introduction at all. The man, the myth, the legend himself, the one and only Doug Jones. We all know and love him, of course as mister Sirru from Star Trek Discovery. He's an American actor, contortionist, and mine. He is known for his frequent collaborations with Gaelmo del Torro in movies such as A Mimic, hell Boy, Pans, Labyrinth, hell Boy Two, The Golden Army, Crimson Peaks, and the Shape of Water. Also, let's not forget about the Silver Surfer. I mean, what hasn't Doug Jones done? That is the question. Welcome to the show.

4:18 John, Well, thank you so much for having me. Wow, I just I want to start off by asking I'll ask both of you the question that I always start off with to lighten up the moon a little bit. What did you think about our intro. Catchy tune for sure made my fingers one of the dance and lots of imagery that's like, oh, this is a geek's paradise. Loved it, loved it. I loved it. I was I was pleasantly surprised to see that it wasn't all trick yeah stuff, because your your name is trek centric, but you're covering all aspects of fandom and geeked them in sci fi. So I love that.

5:01 M m. Yeah, that's that's the angle that we're after. So I'm glad you guys caught it. So I wanted to ask a question, Doug. Next week we're gonna have Tara Rosling on the podcast to your wife on Star Trek Discovery. Yeah, I just wanted to ask you a little bit about that, how that came about and working with her, and a big question we had is are you is she miss missus Saru or are you How did that work? Well? Yeah, I think she she's as you as you saw on the show. She's a rather independent, accomplished woman on her own. She I think we're we're mister and missus each other. I think it, We'll just save it. Uh.

5:46 How that came about though, is a fun little little tidbit. She guest starred on one episode of season three. Uh. They were Michael Burnham called for a certain Vulcan ceremonial debate sort of thing to address an issue, and President Tarina came aboard our ship from from the planet Navar and and so her people had left the Federation since since when we jumped away ahead in time, we kind of defined the federation that had broken apart a little bit. And her planet, uh, the what used to be Vulcan now Navarre, had broken away. So how do we lure them back into the federation again?

6:34 Uh? Saru was concerned with that, but also quite taken with her when she beamed aboard our ship, it was like, oh dear, who's that right? And so played by Tara Rosling, who is a Shakespearean trained actress who is drop dead gorgeous and and whole and can wear a fantastic gown like no one I've ever seen before. We jokingly called her Judy Bench because she's she's just that good, and so working with her was just like instantly as Seru, I took a liking to her immediately, and as Tarina, she took She can tell you her part of the story when you talk to her, but she took an instant liking to Seru as well, and I was her host around our ship while she came aboard for this special conference, and by the end of the of what was scripted for us, it was a goodbye scene in my quarters and I say, well, I know we have lots of lots of conversation yet to come about, you know, the federation and rejoining and all that, but in the meantime, I would like for our discussions to continue, which was like his way of saying, let's do coffee, right, uh so?

7:47 And she said I would like that and gave me a live long and prosper and beamed out. And I was like, oh so. I asked our head writer, Michelle Paradise, are you heading Serou and Tarina into a little love thing? And she said, huh, I hadn't thought about that, And I was like, how could we have missed this? Are you kidding me? It seemed so Ta Tara and me again. Tar will tell you her end of this, but we it was super obvious to us that this was a love burgeoning, you know, And so sure enough they brought her back in season four and the love continued and grew into the relationship that we ended up having. What I loved about our relationship too, was that it was so dignified and it was so it was like a frock drama romance where at the end of season four we built all the way up to holding hands and the crowd went nuts, you know, Instead of like hopping into bed with each other immediately, it was much more.

8:47 It was more of a courtship. And I, as an old school person myself, that was lovely to play. And I worked at a high school and I want to give a shout out to all my teats that are watching right now. And the librarian at the high school had a question specifically, she wanted me to ask you, doug Oh. She said, with all the different characters that you've played, how do you keep all of the characters different so that they're not they don't all feel like the same character since you're immersed in all that makeup. Well, you know, this June marks my fortieth year as an actor. So in that time I've played two hundred sum characters, So how do you make them different? That's my challenge is how do I make this one different than the last one. And I've played several aliens over the years, yes, so each one has to have his own ecosystem and it's his own backstory and what leads him into who he is today. So when you internalize all of that, different things come out of you physically as well. You know, with Saru, what helped an awful lot was the hoof boots that I wore. That kind of changed my posture because I had to keep. It was a balancing act and that through my hips forward to keep because I didn't have a heel to rely on, and that gave me room to do my little swishy hand movement behind me as I walked, So that that was a posture and a walk that I had never done before in all my years. So I loved, loved that the costuming actually helped inform that. So the design

10:20 of the costume or makeup will often help inform how he's to be. Sonn, thank you so much, and I'm going to turn the microphone over to you. Eric. Great. Thanks, Yeah, I would love to riff on first of all. Thank you so much for joining us, both of you, and my question was also for Doug, So sorry, Derek. We will absolutely get you as well. But my main question just kind of riffed off of that whole idea of your relationship with Tarina. I think for so many of us, exactly what you're saying was very right. It kind of built slowly. We saw these kind of underpinnings kind of start to happen at the beginning, and then we all thought right from the beginning. So it was great to hear that story. Thank you so much for sharing that. What I guess, more specifically, what was it like to work with Tarra? She seems like just an amazing individual. I would love to know more about, you know, how you folks got to spend time in the room together or or any anything like that.

11:26 Yeah, all right, Tara and I can We really connected off camera as well. I just really just adore her. She again, Shakespearean trained actress, so she showed up to work memorized and ready to go. She was the most professional actress I've ever worked with in my entire life. But between takes, yeh, something goofy was happening. She was right the first one to laugh about it, you know. So we uh, there was a scene, Oh my gosh, what I can't remember what season it was in or we were no uh uh, Navarre was about to was about to rejoin the Federation. So it's farther into season orror and we're having a big count of the Romulans and the Vulcans are all sitting at a table with us from discuss from a few Federation members and they're discussing the terms of of rejoining and beingcoming a part of this. So it was a big kind of a you know, an important moment in the history. And so at some point the meeting broke up and exits are happening.

12:37 Tara exited, I exited after her and I tripped on something so off camera you hear. But the. Scene was continuing in the room with president with President Torillik and uh, and I think and I think Captain Burnham, I think they if I remember correctly, somebody was still in the room talking while I'm tripping off camera and Tara and I could not contain, we couldn't couldn't bring it back. Yeah, so guys wiping tears. Loved her, loved love spending time.

13:18 Oh my gosh, I hope we get to see that on a blooper reel. Something amazing. Okay, I just have one other question where we're going to quickly move through because we have a lot of interviewers and we want to cover a lot of grounds. So I guess the other question that I just wanted to ask you was, I know that you've gotten a couple of chances to play, you know, characters without the prosthetics. You're, of course so well known for for being with the prosthetics, So I guess my question would be, if you could play another character, do you have a character that's out there in a I don't know, in a book or in your imagination, or a type of character or something that didn't involve you wearing prosthetics and you just wanted it to be just dug Do you have anything in mind that might be interesting or have you ever thought about something that you haven't done that you would like to do.

14:11 Yes, when it comes to the rubber bits, I have played everything that on my bucket list to play, and in fact, now that I'm sixty five years old, I'm kind of leaning into human characters off more than ever and at a lot of filmmakers have come forward and wanted me for various human parts. Now, so the last since I took through off my face, I haven't had any other rubber on it last couple of years. So I've been playing a lot of humans. But the one human that I really want to play that I haven't yet. I want to be the dad of a grown woman who is going through relationship issues in a Hallmark Christmas movie. Okay, stay with me, you want, I get to wear a sweater with reindeer on it and hold it of Coco.

15:01 I give her some really good fatherly advice. Man, you can you see it. Doug, I would watch that. I would one hundred percent watch that. That sounds amazing. I can see it already. You'll be like, well, kitten, just don't date a fish man. Don't date. And it'll be okay, right. Would you like some Coco? You take one? Yeah? Yeah, exactly? Oh my goodness. All right. Well, as you can tell by my by my one sixth scale exo six Saru character up there, which is not a not a cheap little bit. I'm a big Saru fan and just I just want to say I want to fanboy for a second and say thank you so much. I know that a lot of people have said a lot about Zaru. I just think he's such a great character and we love to see how he grows over the seasons and how he interacts with Michael Burnham, who I personally think is one of the best captains that we've ever seen on Star Trek. And the relationship that you and Tarena have is a really great example among many in Star Trek of really healthy relationships and the way that relationships should grow and kind of like benefit both parties because of you know, coming to the table together, maybe slight changes, seeing each other, all of those different things. So love it. Thank you so much. Yeah, absolutely, I'm going to pass the mic over to me.

16:28 All right, well hello again, what's your I can't think of forgetting people's names, David, can you please show the pictures that I sent you. I don't know if you remember this, but this was like the highlight of last September. Do you have them there? So I had to quickly do a bunch of clicking. Yes, all right, there's one. There's that was that was my favorite. You suggested that we squosh each other's faces, and as I'm so sweet and as I'm squoashing your face, it's like, oh my god, I can't believe I'm doing this.

17:12 But that was just the highlight that Star Trek new. Jersey Con was just so much fun. It was, and you were just so so sweet and kind. What I wish I had known? Then? What one more picture? Do I have another one? There? David? I think there were three? Yes, yeah, that one and that awe, that's like a yes, yeah, that's where I was an eighteenth century version of Captain Jane Way's Holidack character Arachnea. So that's that's what I was doing that weekend. So anyway, but I wish I hadn't. I wish I had known. It wasn't until afterwards about what we do in the Shadows. Oh my goodness. I binge watched that and I was laughing until I cried. I mean, Baron often as the umpire, I mean, he was just absolute perfection and that show is so naughty. Oh my work, it was. I was I'm by myself and I'm blushing.

18:20 It's like, oh my goodness, but just absolutely wonderful. So thank you for for that, because I had before that I had known you, seen you a little bit as Saro and Discovery, but also of course Billy Butcherson in hocus Pocus. But I do know I did see that. I think it was your first. Your first job as a as a character was I believe Charlie Cardinal. At Ball State University. I was the master. Yeah, so did you? Uh? Because the Cardinal is Virginia a state bird, so I'm partial to cardinals. So but anyway, so that was your first and then mac Tonight of course was your big break, which that was absolutely delightful. But my question to you would be if the whole acting thing hadn't worked out, what would you have done instead? Did you have a backup plan?

19:28 But no, not. When I was in college, I was, I was really headed toward uh show biz. But in my later years I'd have thought if if I wasn't an actor, I probably had gone gone into nursing. Yeah. I like that. Nurses have more hands on time with patients than Oh absolutely. And. So yeah, I'm sorry. You would have been an awesome nurse. You would have been, uh, you know, alongside Robin Williams as Patch Adams. You know, that would have been That would have been a duo. Oh my goodness, I would have loved Are you kidding out of a great Uh? My brother is a licensed therapist in the state of Indiana, and he tells me that I that I would have made a better therapist than him. That's very sweet of him to say, but he he has, He's said over the years he's watched me with some with being a bit of an impath, you know, getting into someone's space and and and hearing them out.

20:30 Uh. So maybe I would have been a good therapist. I don't know, but I but nursing is what I probably would have pursued if it hadn't interacting. Well, just thank you for everything you've done, and thank you for your kindness to me at that calm last September. That's one of my cherished memories. And I just want. Back to you. Thanks. All right, who's next? Oh I'm up? Net? Okay, the kind of sort of sneak up a little bit. On one of my quests. Sorry, but one of my questions was just I want to know what went into making mac tonight that was just such an influential change from McDonald's.

21:20 Yeah, it was, well McDonald's. Uh, the local, the local advertising agency that handled California, Oregon, and Arizona, just the West coast region, developed that character as a regional spot just to up their business after four pm. They because their breakfast and lunch time they were they were set. And then they had all those McDonald land characters that that appealed to kids. They wanted a nighttime character that would appeal to adults that would also bring traffic in for dinner time. And that's why dinner was part of that campaign as the moonhead mac Tonight. They developed it. It went gangbusters and and it it Actually the sales figures did go up after four pm until the national office in Chicago said, let's take it across the country.

22:07 So they added more commercials to the campaign and ran it across the country, network television, the whole nine yards and bingo, it worked there too. Let's take it worldwide. It played in several countries around the world then, and I ended up doing twenty seven commercials as that character over a three year period, marking me as tall, skinny, goofy guy who moves well, where's a lot of crud on his head and doesn't complain about signification that Mack toight helped for me and the creature affects people that worked on that campaign, they borrowed people from the bigger creature shops to come work on these commercials. That many commercial shoots, and the creature effects guy that made the moonhead and fashioned it in the first place worked out of his garage. He didn't have a full staff people, so he borrowed people from the bigger shops like Rick Baker and Stan Winston and those huge shops and to come work on help puppeteer, help re refurbish the skin on the new head or whatever. And then they would go back to those shops and I would see a conceptual art for a new movie or TV show coming with a tall, skinny alien in it or some kind of a smog creature that was like and they would say, let's work with him, you know, on this commercial. So then I would get referral phone calls, and then that started the ball rolling with referrals. So most of my career has circumvented the conventional casting process. I met very

23:39 few casting directors over the years because I got direct calls from the creature shops and the producers of said movie or TV show trusted the creature shop and said find him, get him. That's great, and that was that's how I got cast in so many things. So went right into right into Star Trek Discovery. I ended up Neville Page and Glenn Hetrick, who were designed through. COT. They thought of me and kind of put my name in there with the showrunners and the writer's room and they said, oh, let's can you get him? And so that phone call happened and I went into to meet with with It was Brian Fuller at first who started the show, and I didn't have to audition. They were they were presenting me with all of that was going to be Discovery and here's what Saru will be And what do you think, Doug? And I'm like, well, this is a turn of events. I didn't have to answer it, you know, so so I really owe the creature affects people most of my career, God bless them.

24:45 So what made you decide to do a documentary about your career? That's a question for Derek. Doug turned me down two times and he's not going to make a documentary about himself. This is my life letter to Don and I wanted to do it because he's been a client of mine for eighteen years who has become family. And I've had Doug cry on my shoulder. I've had Doug being sheer with tiumphs that he's had, and I have watched him through these years, have all of these emotions and bad times and good times, and I went, Wow, his fan base needs to see this.

25:29 They need to see that it's not all about being rich and famous on the silver screen, and that it's it's now an overnight success. So this is my love letter to Doug. Doug does not receive the accolades that he should receive, so this film is making up for all the missing accolades that he needs to have on his mantle. Well, Doug has major imposter syndrome, So doing this if I ah not worthy? La la la la la. But that's why I turned him down the first two times when presenting the idea of a documentary, I was like, well, what's to document this whole thing? Nah, you got better subject matter out there. It was the third try that I said, okay, when we were about to start the convention in Las Vegas, the Star Trek STLV was about to begin. We were there for the on my first day a couple of years ago. This was, and before going downstairs to start the table for the day, Derek called me and said, hey, come stop by my hotel room before you go down and talk to you about something.

26:35 I get to this hotel room and there he is with director William Conlin, and so they were like kind of like ganging up on me. William Connon. He pitched William Conlin to me, and with a pedigree in documentaries and filmmaking, he's as a career. So I'm like, okay, we would be in good hands with him. I see it. I see that, but also still a documentary about me. I just I don't get it. And then I also said that's going to be a lot of work for me too, because I mean, you're gonna want me to call people and email people, and how do you ask, you know, an old friend from thirty years ago, would you go on film and say nice things about me?

27:23 Please? I know, I just it's just a lifetime of embarrassment about to happen. So they promised me that I wouldn't have to do much, so I'm so we decided I said, okay, let's do it. And then so that the camera comes out. Let's get started that day. So they started filming fan interaction at my table and interviewing fans as they walked away from my table, and they getting a lot of lot of footage of me interacting and walking around. I mean, when you walk from your table to your panel to your photo ops, you ass halways full of people going hey, Doug, why hey, Well so I caught all that on film and I'm like, well, that was the first day of filming, my gosh. So so since then, since then, they've gotten a lot more b rolled like that many of my public appearances and Derek has been my appearance manager for eighteen years. He's he's one who handles that portion of my career, the live events, and so he has witnessed firsthand what that interaction is like when I get out to meet the public, and it's one of my favorite things about my career. I love, love, love love getting feedback from people. You know, when you're when you're a stage actor, you get immediate feedback from an audience. They laugh, they cry, they clap. When you're doing it on camera, you don't, you don't, you don't hear it right away? Right, So a convention and a public venue where you get

28:54 a line of people waiting to tell you how your piece, your project affected them. Oh my god, that's great love. I love the stories that they bring with them. Here's what I was going through in my life when I saw this or that of yours, and I sear lots of personal stories, lots of personal stories about health issues. I was going through my chemo treatments, and I watched your show during the pandemic. Star Trek Discovery helped a lot of people through that period of time. A lot of binge watching happened during then, a lot of movies I've been in where you know, my dad and I used to watch this together. Now that he's gone, every time I watch it, it reminds me of him. These are stories that I cherish and I love being a part of people's lives in this way. I mean, I wouldn't hear about it if I didn't do these conventions. So that's that's why I'm very grateful to him for having arranged that all these years. So when he said I want to produce a documentary on you, I thought, well, okay, I'm in pretty good hands with him too, you know, I humbled because.

29:54 It took so long, Vincent, and I'm glad and we've had such an amazing shoot for the last two and a half year and where we still have more to do, Like we're not done yet, So you know we're gonna have we have so many hours of footage. And I make the joke all the time that we're going to have three versions of the film. It will be the theatrical version, which everyone will see two hours long. We'll have the director's cut, which is four hours long, and then we're going to have the duper Pooper executive producers cut, which will be mine, which would be six hours long, and then there will be the Blu ray with all the bonus feet. Yeah, basically the three weeks of viewing that fans will have to do. I can't imagine that much Doug in one sitting. I'm so sorry.

30:39 Well, I'm going to pass it over to Paul because I know Paul's anxious for a question. Well, I can imagine a lot of Doug in one sitting like that. Let me just say, because you know, did I actually hear you say you had something kind of an imposter syndrome? Doug? Is that did that really come out of your mouth and still will. I just I'm sorry I have to take counterpoint for that for you, because you're like the lawn Cheney of this era, my friend, I mean literally, right. I mean I've been a fan of yours since well since the mimic days, Okay, So, I mean I absolutely think you're just astonishing. I'm a huge fan of the work that you've done with Guiamo do Toro. I mean, so much pivotal historic work. I mean, if Guerremo is Martin Scorsese, you're his Robert de Niro. I mean, you've been in so many movies together, right, I mean and just and profoundly historic ones. I think that have really I mean, the shape of water changed so much of the way that like the mainstream and the Academy was able to even look at a creature feature, if you will, right.

31:46 I mean's just you know, I just love the take you always bring towards the fantastic and the monsterous, right. I mean, I don't know if the other Truxpertzer is, you know, deep into Guermo del Toro, but he said that monsters are like the patron saints of our blissful imperfections, right, That's one of the things. I feel like you embody that so beautifully in every performance, Doug. I mean, there is a tenderness and a poignancy and a dignity that is always there in every performance that you do. And I just I just, I just hope. I mean, that's what I hope gets front and center in a documentary about you, is the humanity and compassion you bring to your work.

32:31 It is humbling, my friend. Oh, thank you so much. You know, when Giermo was filming The Shape of Water with me, he kept reminding me, Dougie, you are the romantic leading man of this Belie fish suit only the only director who could pull that one off. But he also but he also stressed the romance and how much that had to work. So so we had to bring heart and soul. Sally Hawkins as a leading lady and me as her love interest was a connection that was actually I felt the chemistry. And Germo was very smart. He did something very smart with us. There was a dance number in Shapewater. If you remember, she goes off into a fantasy with us in a black and white MGM musical doing a dance number together and when I saw that in the script, I was like, oh, Glory, b this is my dream come true. Right, But I'm going to be doing it in flipper feet, you know what I'm saying. But neither Sally nor I being ballroom dancers, we had to go through rehearsal ahead of time. So he brought us up to Toronto where we were filming about three weeks before filming, started to rehearse that dance number over and over again every day until we were proficient at it. And so during those rehearsal times, Sally and I had time to connect and to get to know each other, to laugh together, to cry together. We

34:01 were both terrified of this movie because we knew how big it could be and how important it was to Guiermo, and how both of us both of us had imposter syndrome and could share that with each other, like I'm going to ruin the movie. No, I'm going to ruin the movie. No, you don't. We were a mess and so we have, but we had each other. So by the time the cameras started rolling, we had each other like this, and so I think that that helped help our chemistry on camera for sure. And he was very smart to do that. Just one last question for me, and then I know Uncle Jim has a lot of things he wants to still follow up with both of you on about the about the documentary, but it just having done, you know, two prior turns as Abe Sapien very very similar character and in physically, I would I would think, right from from a distance at least very similar in the hell Boy movies when you when you daunted by the prospect of taking on another kind of amphibious character, and it didn't seem like to me in the audience, it seemed he seems so distinctively different in shape of water. I mean, he is a leading man, and he's a lot I think, more forceful, and.

35:09 Uh and and and uh. But but what was your How did you evolve just your perspective and approaching something that was in somebody some ways so similar yet really different, if that makes sense. When Guermo pitched the idea of the shape of water to me, he's going to be a fish man, I was like, well, didn't I play one of those for you already? You know? And so I said, any relation to Ape Sapien, No, completely different timeline, different guys, different different backstories. Uh, basically, you know Ape Sapien was. I think Ape Sapean is actually more like Seru in Star Trek than he is like the Amphibian man for the Shape of Water, because he's a very dignified, poised gentleman. He's a very calming effect on the people around him, and he's super smart.

35:56 He reads three books at a time, he listens to classical musa and you know he's such a gentleman and a diplomat as was through. So so those two that could get more similarities. Pivgerman from the Shape of Water, Animal from the Wild and Ghermo kept telling me again and again, you're an animal. I don't want to see any human adult. You're an animal. So if I was doing the scene that was interacting with somebody in the cast, well, specifically Richard Jenkins did a great job. He was babysitting me in one scene. So Eliza, my love interest Sally Hopkins was off at work during the day or the nighttime shift. He was sitting in with me in the bathroom and I'm in the tub because that's where fish live.

36:41 So so he's and he's an artist, so he's drawing a sketch of me and having a therapy session. He's talking about his issues and and and we're relating to each other. Well, he thinks for relating to each other, but I'm just I'm I don't understand it word be saying, right, because I'm an animal. So so the thing was, though, I'm listening to this beautiful mom from Richard Jenkins, and he's a brilliant actor, and for a minute there I started having a human, sort of human body language reaction to him. Yeah, mocott douggie, that's all he said. And I was like, animal, I get it, I get it. So I tried. What I tried to channel was the family dog. You know, everybody talks to the dog. Hey, do use it to good boy? Do you want to go outside? Have you eaten today? I think you have it? You need a bowl of food. So we talk to dogs all the time and they don't understand a word we're saying, but they understand tone and our vibe. And so I thought, okay, I'm gonna channel that. I don't get what he's saying, but I'm gonna be there and like h as the family dog. But anyways seemed to work. H Richard Jenkins.

37:53 We're we're hoping to get him, aren't we. Hopefully we'll see, we'll see. But he has a story to tell about about that very scene when he's maybe seen me the bathtub, because before the cameras rolled, he thought, oh, my gosh, what movie am I sitting in? You know, with this. Here's a guy in a in a bath he's wearing a rubber suit and he's on a bathtub. This is the most preposterous thing. The cameras rolled, and then then he said, oh my gosh, the magic happened. I get it now, I get it. So that was very, very nice to hear him say that whatever we were doing seemed to work well. All I can say is, Doug, your work is extraordinary, my friend. I mean, it's just it's if anybody ever has any feelings of being a misfit in a life, or an outcast, or somebody who's, like you know, feelings they don't fit in or they're concerned there's a monster in themselves, your work helps purge those feelings. I think it's just there's so much humanity in your performances, and I just can't wait to see what you do next.

38:53 And here you share more about your your work in this becoming documentary, and my uncle Jim's got a few questions. He wants to make sure that we get to to. Derek on that. But oh my god, do I love your Giama do Tomorrow impersonation? I'm dying he does not. I don't know why, but. Quick tid that I was on stage with him doing a panel Q and eight for something and I did an impression of him in front of him. I'm telling the audience like, you. Know, uh, Douggie, do this, do that? And me do I sound like that? Yes?

39:36 Well, I can't wait to see what's coming next. And thank you for your work. It's just simply absolutely sublime. And uh, and both of you for making a documentary like this. It just feels really overdue. And again, you know, for you have a remarkably strong place in cinemasty. I'm just super, super super grateful for all of your performances. So, Uncle Jim, I know you've got a lot of behind the scenes questions though, and things targeting Derek in the production. So I want to get out of the way, so I'm going back to you. But I think David, I think David might have a question, right, David. Yeah, I just got a quick question for First of all, welcome to a show. Glad to have you guys. My quick question for you going away from sci fi, and I just wanted to know what it was like to work with Felicia Day and the Dragon Age Redemption movie back in twenty eleven.

40:27 Good heavens, no one ever mentions that, so thank you for that. Dragon Age Redemption was a actually a web series. It might be compiled back together as a movie now, but it was a web series based on the game, and the game actually the game company was behind it as well, so they sponsored that web series. Alicia Day is the geek Queen of the world. Herds around the world love her and revere her because she is. She is a nerd gamer and comic book lover and all things geeky. She's the one she champions that, so to work with her was just dreamy. Plus she's so good humored. And I met her at an after party at Comic Con a couple of years before and she she said, oh gosh, I I love your face. I want to do something with your face in it. So I ended up doing her her web series, The Guild I was.

41:22 I did six episodes of The Guild one season, and as a as a steampunk dandy, so I wear a top hat and clothes, and then of course she's like, yeah, I kind of want you for this, this costumed character and dragon Age Redemption. So I was, I was the main villain. I forget what my character name was even. I thought, oh, so Abash or something like that. That's service. Yeah, thank you. Yes, a horned individual that had them sawed off. And I had magical powers too, so that was kind of fun to play. Yes, I was just curious about it because dragon Age was something that I grew up with, and so when I thought, I was like, oh, wow, you're in it. So I just, you know, I had to agree about it.

42:03 So thank you for that questioning. That's very sweet. All right, Thank you David, and thank you so much to Doug and Derek. But I did want to ask a little bit about the upcoming documentary. Doug. I mean, you've been quiet, you've been very well manned, like the family dog, just waiting patiently. So I think we're going to give you a chance not to take the microphone and tell all our listeners a little bit about the title of it, and how they can find out about it, how they can help with it, and maybe where you got the idea to do it. That's that's a Derek question actually that he spiked at the beginning of this spark and let him take that. Take the beginnings so well.

42:46 Doug has been a client of mine for eighteen years and we become. As my apparents managers, right, So he's only does my life appearances, yes, right, and. Then over those years we've grown to be basically extended family. And I absolutely love him, and I've had Doug cry on my shoulder, and I've had Doug share triumphs with me, and I've watched him have ups and downs for these eighteen years, and there's so much that I admire him for and feel that he didn't ever get the accolades that he deserved. So this film is my love letter to him. These are the accolades all compiled into one. And part of it is to tell his story and his journey for his fans that already know him but want to learn new things about him. Part of it is also for fans who don't know who he is to learn about him and go back and look at his career and follow him. And then some of it is to get the attention of some of the industry folks who maybe have overlooked him when it comes to things like Academy Awards, because it bothers me that he's never won one as an actor. He should have because he's done some amazing performances. And the title of the film is basically kind of what Doug was talking about earlier, where he became basically infamous in the industry as someone who he never come He went with everything. He was professional, he always came prepared. So it was like, well, if that's who it is, then just get me Doug Jones.

44:08 And it became this when I talked to the director about it and he's like, no, it's perfect, that's the film. So it kind of became organic, and it's something that I still believe to this day because now Doug has been very gracious without wearing rubber bits anymore. He even gives chances to some young independent filmmakers who want a name for their film and they're like, well, get me Doug Jones. We love him, let's put him in our film. And he's gracious enough to make that possible, So there is a lot that needs to be old and stories to be told about Doug. And so this is what we're doing, you know. And it's two years over two and a half years already of filming and we'll finish filming this year and get it ready for release in twenty twenty seven. So it's you know, it's a long process, but we don't want to rush it because there is so much to tell them where so much to weed through.

44:56 Because we've gotten such amazing interviews with co stars such as Snika, Martin Green, Ron Perlman, Noah Wiley, and behind the scenes people like Mike Olsaldi and Tony Gardner and David Kirshner, and we've got a lot more. And we don't release names of people that we haven't actually gotten on camera yet because just in case their interviews fall through for whatever reason, could be medical, could be their schedule, they have to go film. But we update IMDb consistently, so the minute someone completes their on camera interview, their name gets added to IMDb. And we're going to make a true it's not going to be an effort, it's going to be a fact. Every single person that is on camera, even if it's for ten seconds, are going to be in the film. There isn't a single person that we've interviewed who doesn't want to just keep talking about this man in a positive light. And today he found out that part of what we were trying to do fun. But the first sets of interviews we did, we were asking for dirt undug. Did he ever complain?

45:58 Did he ever not be prepared? Nobody has a negative thing to say about him, which I knew, but now it just it's all confirmed, and it just Dugs an amazing actor that blows my mind every time I watch him on screen and will continue to do so. I just love that. I trust you so much. Yet you were trying to get data. Yeah, I. Mean that's what like a brother would do, right, That's a very close relationship. That's good. Yeah, yeah, so let's see. Oh so you said what? So for those of you who want to learn about the film, who are watching this, I implore you to please either go to IMDb dot com and look up get Me Doug Jones add it to your watch list, and then also go to get Me Doug Jones dot com. That's the film's official website.

46:46 We always have updates on there as well. And what I'm very proud of is that we were able to raise the funds to shoot the principal photography in pre production for the film on our own, all through private investment and people who believed in the project that I wanted to bring to front. The hardest part is getting the funds to finish the film, and finishing the film is not and everyone's just like, oh, what are you gonna do? Have an editor? Well, yes we do. We need an editor, and we need to pay for music, and there's certain music that we want to have in it that you have to pay the rights for. If you want to have clips, depending on what they are, you may have to pay for that. But the biggest one is the film festival circuit. You don't go to film festivals for free, none of them. They all cost money.

47:30 You have to pay to be submitted, and then if submitted, you got to pay to get your film. You got to get the film out there. You've got to bring your cast out there to talk about it in front of the public. If you want to walk the red carpet at the cons Film festival, you know in France you have to pay for all that the festival doesn't do that for you. So we want to make sure that this film is seen globally, not just here in California, and so we need the funds in order to help that. So what we're doing is we're doing a crowd fund finishing campaign on Indiegogo. It opens on April twentieth, and we're asking for those of you who can to sign up, and we've got all kinds of perks. Some are very cost effective, some are one of a kind pieces that are you know, it's a bit of a paycheck, but you know, whatever you can to help us tell this story.

48:20 And we're not begging for anything. I'm telling this story whether we raise another penny or not. I promise Doug that, and I'm going to keep my word. Doug has been gracious enough to help us with the finishing campaign by donating things from his personal archives. So we've got original shooting scripts, his personal scripts from what we do in The Shadows and Star Trek Discovery that have been signed. We've got from Star Trek, we've got an original prosthetic piece that was never used. It was a backup one to be ready in case something happened on set, We've got Doug's original practice shoes for Sharu. So far, most of the afors that we have interviewed have been enough to sign limited edition pieces like either eight y tens or sixteen by twenties, and there's a bunch of surprises coming as well. We have a sixty day campaign that though those pieces that I mentioned are all publicly known, there are pieces that are coming out that are not known.

49:17 And so you know, we ask people to take a look at Indiegogo and if you're so inclined to do so, we'd appreciate the help. But again, if not, when the film comes out, watch it. So whether you're whether it's on a streaming platform and we ask you to rent it, or whether we get it into a theater and you got to buy your movie ticket to it, we want people to do that as well, So get Medoug Jones dot com or on social media. Our Instagram is get me Doug Jones my company Cool Waters Prods on all platforms, and then Doug on all platforms. Is actor Doug Jones everywhere. So certainly everyone out there who's watching this interview now can find more about the film, learn more about the film, support the film in some manner and appreciate your time in talking to us today so much.

50:04 I just want to say thank you so much, Derek for taking it time to put together this Get Me Doug Jones documentary. We as fans, we appreciate it. And thank you so much to Doug for taking time out of his busy schedule to talk with a bunch of trek ads. We really appreciate it. And how many of those how many those Doug Hug shirts are gonna get sold from this one? I know. We have an exclusive new Doug Hug shirt, so it's different than the ones that we have at. Conventions as an award for the campaign, right. So there will be a new one I need, I'm gonna get. I need one because he does give the best hugs.

50:47 I can verify that. As they say, Derek, as they say, shut up and take my money. Tell you real quick, Doug. This poster right behind me above my head starts a Discovery poster. I went down to see you at trek Long Island Trek talking was there. My wife and I came over to your table. I thought this poster had you sign it, and you came out and gave me and my wife a giant there hug, and it was great. It was phenomenal. It's such a warm, kind, caring person. You really seem to enjoy the fans and love the fans, and it just seeing someone like you was just incredible. Thank you so much for being so awesome.

51:32 I wouldn't be sitting here today if it wasn't for the fans. So I appreciate you more than you know. Thank you. All right, Well that pretty much wraps it up. Thank you so much for joining us. We really appreciate it, and we look forward to seeing get Me Doug live long and process. We shall thank you. Thank you so much. Good night, Well you. Guys, that my goodness. Yeah, yeah, we're not done yet though, guys. Oh no, we're not done yet. April thirtieth, as you heard us allude to at seven thirty, we're gonna have Tara Roslin to bring uh mister Seru missus SARU's gonna be so you guys want to check that out. April twenty fifth and twenty six, Truck Talking will be at the Vermont Sci Fi and Horror XO up at the Vermont Expost Center, So please come and check that out. We're gonna have a Star Trek charity auction of benefit you made Society, which is where I got Laya from, So please come and help these animals. They need your help. We also have our fans shout outs tonight. We have our sci fi birthdays and we're gonna squeeze in some Star Trek news as much as we can. So without any further a boot, let's roll right into our fans shout outs.

52:56 What do you say that sounds awesome? Well, our very first fan shout out this week goes out to top fan kymiehot Doshaw from France. My French pronunciation is among the worst that you can possibly imagine, but we really appreciate Kaimi's support. And top fan status means that you are actually commenting, talking to us on our social media's and we just really appreciate that kind of interaction. It just we can all shout into an empty room, but it's nice to get that reflection back every once in a while. So Kymie, thank you for being one of our top fans. Speaking of top fans, I'd like to also say hello this week to Sabine Cook. Sabine Cook, who hails from Germany. She doesn't say where, but it's big country and I'm sure wherever you are you're eating delicious food and drinking amazing drink. Thank you, Sabine so much for supporting our podcast. Been that globe over to Australia and I want to say hello this week to Gabby Peters, who hails from Briby Island and sends us that livelong and prosper emoji that I'm positive is what got Jim's attention. And last, but not least, I would like to say hello to Arno van Vuren, who hails from the Netherlands. That country between other countries, which is what Netherlands means, right, So thank you Arnau for supporting our podcast. V Let's bring it back to the US.

54:21 Who do you want to say? I want to say hello and thank you to our top fan, William Wadsworth, who is sending us a shout out from Indianapolis, Indiana, So thank you for that, William. Next Susan Ray from the beautiful state of Wyoming sending us a livelong and prosper emoji. Then hello and thank you to Dan Boyle who is watching us or listening to us in Rhode Island, doesn't say where, but it's a small but beautiful state as well. And then last but not least, Hello and thank you very much to Donnie Brady, who is in West Virginia. So thank you to all of you. Now I'm going to spin the globe not that far but over to Charles. Oh, thank you.

55:19 The Let's start off with Missouri and welcoming Michael Cooper. Welcome Michael. Let's go over to Illinois where William Meadows hailed from Marion, Illinois and third on my list from oh just not far from me or somewhere close to me in Utah at Lee Cameric. Welcome Lee. What part of Utah? I love the southern part, especially Paul who's on your list going international. Thank you, Charles for a me up so defintely I appreciate that.

56:02 Well. First of all, we do have a lot of fans who love science fiction who don't live in the United States and these days, good on your friends, That's all I can say. First of all, let's go over the United Kingdom and to ayr Shire in Scotland to our friend James Fairbaar, who's saying hello to us. So great to know you're out there. James, I hope you are finally getting out of some of that rather tempestuous weather. I've been hearing you but having lately in warmer climbs. We'll say hello to Luca Almeida in Portugal, so love knowing that there is a science fiction enthusiasm over there. Great to know that, Luca, thanks for saying hello. Yokohama, Japan. You re Bandai is saying hello, and I hope I'm pronouncing your name correctly, Yuri in Yokohama. I know for a fact that Japan is absolutely wall of wall with science fiction pans. So there you go, absolutely fantastic. And Ivan di Anyel is saying hello to us from Columbia, SA flag proudly unfurled there, Ivan, Great to know that you are also sharing your enthusiasm for Star Trek so that we can always feel like we have things in common with folks from other places, which is very very needed these days. Passing the microphone over to uncle.

57:19 Jim, Why, thank you so much, Paul. I'd like to say thank you and hello to TJ Atkins, who says I'm originally from Chicago but currently living in Los Angeles. Thank you for being a fan. TJ. I also want to say thank you and hello to Mary Easilee Smith who's listening to us in Mississippi. We also want to say hello and thank you to jesse Garcia who's in Long Island, and last but not least, Mark Roberts who's in Houston, Texas. If you guys would like to be featured on a fan shout out, please head over to face our Facebook page Truck Talking and beyond you'll see if livelong and prosperomoji. Pin to the front of the page, tell us where your family lots of emodis it gets my attention, and look very heart next to your name from yours truly so that you know you will be featured in a future fan shut out. And now, guys, we're going to move on to our poem, What do you say?

58:22 You know me like no Wind? What you thought about the show? Then we try. Just share your opinions with all of our minions out there because they listen world wid. So tell us just what you think. Get together we will alter Canar and robilan a. I love that so much. I loved the song before the video of it that let's take it put together. Just Scott how wonderful. Yeah, a little perfection, all right, Eric, you want to take it away?

59:08 I do. I love our poll this week we asked our Facebook followers, what is your favorite animated series episode. I think we're all fans of the animated series here on the show, and we just wanted to find out what you all thought. So hide for third place on our pool were the two episodes The Laurel Signal and the Infinite Vulcan. Both two great episodes. I'm a little surprised to see the Infinite Vulcan down at third place. I would have put it at second or like kind of closer to the top. I think it's a well beloved episode. But the Lorelee Signal was kind of a nice one to scene thrown in there. You may or may not remember that one, but that's we're getting great pictures here from David. That's the one where there's a race of beautiful women who you know, kind of remain immortal Biston dealing life force of men. Classic.

1:00:03 I love it. So that's secret. I think I think we should have reality. Yes, that's our secret, our secret, Eric, that's what we do. Really. You know what those are called the those are energy vampires. Right, yeah, Robinson, Yeah. I can talk to you today. All right. Well, anyway, on on with the show. It was great to see Lorelei signal in there. I think that's like the fourth episode of the first season, and it's just not one that comes up in every list, so that was fun to see. Okay, drumb All tie for second place. We have the Magics of Megas two and how Sharper Than a Serpent's Tooth? And I remembered the Magics of Megas two. That's the like Devil episode. I did not even remember which one was. How Sharper than a surpace too?

1:00:59 Can somebody mind me? Does anybody remember what this episode is about? And it's been too long? Remember? Okay, I have something to do with the with the Mexican god Q. Yeah, that's what I That's what I thought. And it was just kind of interesting to see that right up here in second place. This is where I would have expected to see Infinite Vulcan personally, but that's just my opinion. And Bem is real popular, my god. I mean that's true. People do love them, and it was nice to see a new version of his race in lower decks. Right then we get to see his race or at least somebody else who could take their body apart like that. Okay, anyway, so drum roll, please favorite animated series episode from our fans? Uh was, of course Yesteryear, and that is the correct answer. It's my favorite, it's often many people's favorites. It is heart wrenching, gut punching, amazing, like Spock episodes, Spock centered episode. If you haven't seen Yesteryear ever, you got some work to do. If you haven't seen it for a while, it's worth watching it again.

1:02:11 It's still available on Paramount Plus as far as I know, So I think I saw it Yesteryear. Did you see it? Yes? I just watched it Yesteryear, So yeah, there you go. Third place, Lorelei signal if avulcan second place, Magic So of Vegas two and how sharper than a Service Tooth and the best episode ever of the animated series Yesteryear. Thanks for answering our polls, folks. We appreciate it. We like to hear what you have to say. And I agree yesterday I think is is I must see for the animated series. We talked about it before, so please and our fans agreed, and we have one more. We're not a pole question, just a fun one that I threw out there. We have fun with the last one, so I thought we would try this again.

1:02:59 Yes, so this one requires a visual confirmation, so if you're only listening to the show, you may not totally get this one. But David has the most excellent picture on the screen right now that features a bunch of vulcans, vulcans, excuse me, klingons, a bunch of klingons and leather standing there looking totally awesome. And the question that we asked was name this nineties band, So here we go. Keith Ransom said the Gates of Stovecore. Yeah, Danny. Keith Johnson said the goch Dragons love that one. Ff Vankins said KCC Klingon Culture Club. I like that sort of the alternative bent, you know. To me, this looks like a metal band, but it could be an all band, you never know. Carrie Shapiro said the blood Wine quintent hmm, I like that classical band. Thomas Howard Smith said the Ridges get it? Yeah, yeah, all smegged. Klemy said Fleetwood gone, that's pretty good. Bobby Mayfield said the Kaplaw players. That sounds more like a theater group to me. But yeah, Jeff Nooser said, the Klingon Clan band right on. G Leonards said Jayden and the Family Crag. Oh, that's pretty good. Yeah,

1:04:30 this is Jaden's family on the planet. So Jayden and the Family Crag. Rick Wasserman said, the original Hamlets. You haven't heard kling On or we haven't heard Shakespeare until you've heard it in the original Klingon. So there you go. Jaden's Family as a band has many, many good names. I think out of these ones, definitely, the Gates of Stovecore was among my favorite. That sounds like a local Portland metal band who do perform as Clayon's, which is simply called the Stove a course, So I think I have a you know, a visceral kind of connection to the to that name.

1:05:11 Yeah. I think my favorite one would be the Original Hamlet. I kind of like Wood myself me too, that classic winner. Yeah, I like Jaden the Family Crag. That's a good one too. And uh, you know, these are fun to do, so I think I might throw these out there on our Facebook page every once in a while, just for some fun, a fun little bit all right, So that's the name the band's segment and our tas. And now we're going to do our side five birthdays. Guys. That was not a Clinton song, hi, As we always start out our sci fi birthdays by sally enough remembering those members who are no longer with our family, and for that returned to Eric Jim.

1:06:19 This week we start out slightly outside of the Star Trek family and we honor actor Max von Sidov born Karl Adolf von Siedov on April tenth, nineteen twenty nine in Lund, Sweden. He appears as Ming the Merciless in the nineteen eighties movie Flash. He also portrayed doctor Lee Keynes in Dune the Old One not the New One, obviously, and is best known as the elderly frail father Maren in the Exorcist. But that's I mean, it doesn't stop there, right, Paul. There's like a million things that this guy has done that people would remember him for a legend. I mean, you know, go back to your earlymar bergman right the seventh Seal. I mean, so many different things, Hannah and her sisters with Woody Allen. I mean, he's just he's a legend. He's one of those just amazing legendary people. He even had a short, very memorable little part at the beginning of Star Wars The Force Awakens, all right, So I mean he's been in just about everything, so but just the gravitas that he brings to his work is just like no one else's in, particularly if you've never seen The Exorcist, Oh my god, he's amazing in that. Just stunning, stunning work.

1:07:36 Yeah, so lost back in twenty twenty. Definitely a giant of science fiction and other film genres. So thank you so much for your contributions to everything that we love. Max. Happy birthday as well this week to Lee Berger, the actor who played the ex Caliban's recreation of Abraham Lincoln in the TOS third season episode The Savage Curtain. Great picture of him there. Lee was a World War Two vet in charge of entertainment services for soldiers serving in North Africa, so man, he was in the thicke of things there. But he's probably best known for his portrayal of Joseph Arlington Ainders on the television series Dynasty from nineteen eighty one through nineteen eighty three, which then led to his brief appearance on the rival soap opera Falcon Crest in nineteen eighty one as Justin Nash. But this guy has over two hundred television and other appearances, including shows that I love like The Monsters. He was on The Monsters, he was on The Adams Family. So great actor Lee Berger, were honoring him today lost back in two thousand and seven. Happy birthday, Lee, Happy birthday as well to Charles Lewis Napier the actor and musician who played two great roles in Star Trek episodes which were made more than twenty five years apart. These roles were Adam on the TOS third seeson episode The Way to Eden and Denning on the Deep Space nine four season episode Little Green Men. Many don't know that Napier actually wrote all of the songs in The Way to Eden,

1:09:07 which of course he also performed. He wrote them with Craig Robertson and Arthur Heinemann. Throughout the seventies and eighty eighties. You probably recognize his face as being a guy who played edgy military types and menacing bad guys, including Murdoch, the intellig intelligence officer from Rambo and Rambo First Blood Part two. But then he was all over the place. I mean he was in Awesome Powers and the Blues Brothers and Silence of the Lambs. He also lent his voice talents to several animated series like Johnny Quest and Rugrats and a whole host of others. You should go check out his IMDb page. It's just thick with contributions.

1:09:49 So really, what a great talent Charles Lewis Napier could sing, could act, and we do miss you lost back in twenty eleven. Happy Birthday, Charles. Happy birthday to Paul Sorvino, the Italian American actor who played Nikolai Rosenko in the Next Generation seven season episode Homeward. Although originally he was aspiring to be an opera singer, he built a solid career in films from the nineteen seventies onward. He's probably best known for his role as Paul Cicero in the nineteen ninety gangster film drama Goodfellas, but he has over one hundred theatrical movies and over thirty TV movies that he's been in throughout his career. One that I think is underappreciated and particularly good is his portrayal of Henry Kissinger in the movie Nixon from nineteen ninety five. If you haven't seen that movie, should go check that out.

1:10:42 But two great kind of philanthropic things about him. He had severe asthma, and he worked really hard on mastering breathing techniques to help him get through and be a great actor even with that condition. And he actually wrote a best selling book entitled How to Become a Former Asthmatic and started the Sorvino Asthma Foundation based in New York City. Not only that, but he loved dogs, so he founded the dog Fella's Dog Adoption Organization in February of two thousand and two with his family. It's based in Manhattan and in Pennsylvania. So great to see awesome things living beyond Paul's actual life. His contributions were just so giant. We lost him back in twenty twenty two.

1:11:25 Happy Birthday, Paul Sorvino. Happy birthday to Joseph Ruskin, the American actor who appeared in four of the first five live action Star Trek television series and in Star Trek Insurrection, Okay, Big Breath in Tos. He played Gult in The Gamesters of Triskellian on DS nine He played the klingon Tu Mec in two episodes, The House of Quark and Looking for Parmak in All the Wrong Places. In between these episodes, he played a Cardassian informant on the episode Improbable Cause. He was cast as a Sona officer in Star Trek Insurrection, and appeared in Star Trek Voyager in the episode Gravity, in which he played a Vulcan master. His final Star Trek appearance was in Star Trek Enterprise as a Subaban doctor in the pilot episode Broken Bow Wow. He also contributed to a couple of Star Trek video games. Along the Way. Had a long and distinguished career that started as early as nineteen fifty nine, appearing in lots of television and movies along the Way. One interesting thing was that he actually had a reoccurring role as an Alliance member named Elaine Christoph in jj Abrams series Alias, so if you're familiar with Alias, you may have also seen him there. Happy Birthday to Joseph Ruskin. Happy birthday to Arlene Martel, the actress who played to Pring the original in the TOS second season episode a Bouk Time. She was among the original candidates for the role of doctor Elizabeth Dinner for the second Star Trek pilot where no man has gone before, but she couldn't handle the contacts.

1:12:57 Remember the whole contact situation. Yeah, her eyes were very sensitive, so they had to move on to Sally Kellerman. Two years later, they tried to bring her back in the role of Sylvia for Cat's Paw, and again she didn't get that one because the production staff really had her slated as the perfect to bring for a time, so they didn't feel like they could also cast her in the Cat's Paw role. Forty years after her role on Star Trek, she appeared as the Vulcan Priesess in the fan film Star Trek of Gods and Men, which of course was produced by a friend of the show, Tim Russ. If you haven't seen that fan film, you should probably see it. It's got her in it, it's got Walter Kanagan, it's got a whole bunch of Star Trek Royalty in it.

1:13:41 And in addition to her Maria guest star roles on television, she was an animal rights activist as well, working with Last Chance for Animals to prevent the selling of dogs and cats for medical research. She felt very passionate about this and appeared in an HBO documentary about it. So Arlene Martel complex beautiful, What a great actress. Happy birthday to Arlene Martel lost back in twenty fourteen, Happy Birthday to Jay Robinson, the American character actor who appeared as Troy and Ambassador Hetree in the Coos third season episode Alone of Troyus. He of course, is best known for his role as Caligula in the nineteen fifty three biblical epic of the Robe and in its sequel, Demetrius and the Gladiators. He was in the historical drama The Virgin Queen, which is another fantastic movie. He did have some kind of issues along the way with drugs and jail and that sort of thing. Then his career sort of made a comeback at the end, and he appeared in several movies, particularly a bunch of Woody Allen movies, and then eventually appeared in Francis Ford Coppola's nineteen ninety two blockbuster Bram Stoker's Dracula. So great actor. Glad that he was able to kind of bring it back and give us not only contributions early in life, but later on. Thank you, Jay Robinson, for everything you did. First, Star Trek can happy birthday. Happy birthday to Robert Walker Junior, the actor who played Charlie Evans in the episode Charlie X from the first season. He was approached in ninety seven to come back in Deep Space nine, but he was not

1:15:13 interested in renewing his acting career at that time, so he did not come back into Star Trek. But he Starfield started a handful of made for TV movies over the years and stayed in active. Stayed active for a number of years, making television guest appearances here and there, so you can go check out everything that he did post Charlie X. Thank Robert Walker Junior for a great episode and for being a great contribution to Star Trek. And last, but not least, we say happy birthday to Michael George and Sarah Yes that one. The Lebanese American actor best known to Star Trek fans is playing Kang in the TS third season episode Day the Dove, later in DS nine second season episode Blood Oath and Voyager's third season episode Flashback. He later appeared as Jay All in the DS nine four season episode The Muse as well.

1:16:04 What a story man this guy was. Born to a Lebanese family in a small village. Eventually emigrated with his family to the US when he was two years old. Many people know, or maybe some don't know, that he was married to I Dream of Genie actress Barbara Eden from nineteen fifty eight through nineteen seventy four, so they were sort of a power couple of that time. He was often cast in roles because of his darker complexion as a Native American, so he shows up in a lot of Westerns and that kind of stuff throughout his career, including not a Western, but another movie that he starred with James Dewan in actually a nineteen sixty four episode of Voyage to the Bottom of Sea. Sorry, not a movie, but a television performance. I think that's kind of cool that they crossed over in another way. He also worked with Ricardo Montabon in three movies. But I love that he later in his life, I've became the voice of DC Comics character mister Freeze on various episodes of the Batman animated television series from ninety two to two thousand and nine. What a great television series. So go check out IMDb if you haven't looked up Michael Ansara for a long time. It is and ripe with all kinds of fun stuff. Lots of remembrances this week, guys, but I felt it important to take the time to remember these people properly. So thank you so much for waiting, and I'm going to go ahead and pass this flaming birthday candle.

1:17:30 Over to me. All right, thank you, Eric. My first happy Birthday goes out to Hayley Joel Osmond. He voiced Lieutenant J. G. O'Connor in the Lower Decks first season episode Moist Vessel. He gained fame as a child actor. He played the titular character Son in Forrest Gump, and for his portrayal of Cole Sear, a psychic child in The Sixth Sense, won the Saturn Award for Best Performance by a Younger Actor in that movie. I was just watching him in AI Artificial Intelligence. He's spectacular in that and as a grown up he's been in things most recently or what I've seen him in. He was tofer in What we do in the Shadow is the familiar that accidentally gets I think Gierma accidentally kills him and then he gets turned into a zombie. But He's hilarious in that anyway, So happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to William Irwin.

1:18:36 He's an American actor, clown and comedian who portrayed sou Call in Discovery third season episode sou Call and That Hope Is You? Part Two in the four season episode Kobyashi Maru and if You've ever seen him Dance, He's an excellent dancer and fun fact. On a totally weird side note, he was mister Noodle's on sy Same Street, so there you go. Next, Happy birthday to Alicia Coppola. She played Lieutenant Staddie in The Star Trek Voyager first season episode Caretaker. Next, Happy birthday to Seba Homayun, who voiced ensign Ali in the Lower Decks fifth season episode of Gods and Angles and the New Next Generation. She was born in Montreal, Canada, to Iranian parents. Next, Happy birthday to William Sadler. He played Luther Sloan in the DS nine sixth and seventh season episode's Inquisition inter Arma Enom Silent leg Sorry I can't ledges and if sorry, it's late Extreme Measures. He was born in Buffalo, Buffalo, New York, and started acting in high school. And birthday

1:20:08 to Humberly Gonzalez, the actress who played mel in Star Trek Section thirty one. She was born in Venezuela and moved to Aruba with her family when she was twelve and to Canada when she was fifteen. She graduated from the National Theater School of Canada in twenty fifteen. And last but not least, Happy birthday to Faith Coally Sally, the actress who played Serena Douglas in the DS nine, sixth and seventh season episodes Stisted God, It Can't Talk Tonight, Statistical Probabilities, and Chrysalis. So happy birthday to you, one of my favorite characters in DAS nine, albeit brief anyway, passing that flaming birthday Campbell onto Paul.

1:21:03 Thank v very kind of you. Well, let's move on with our birthdays and say Happy birthday to Darius Rose, performing under the stage name Jackie Cooks, is an actor and professional drag queen who played Talon Uxaria in the stark Leet Academy first season episode series Acclamation Mill. So Happy birthday, Darius Rose aka Jackie Cox. Happy birthday to the on a massively popular trajectory, El Fanning from Conyer's Georgia, younger sister of Dakota Fanning. She plays the. Dual roles of two count Them, two synthetic androids, both THEA and Tessa and Predator bad Lands. And if you have not checked that movie out yet, you really should.

1:21:49 But this is an actress who's really going places. She was just in sentimental value this year. I got an Academy Award nomination for her work in that and has done a ton. Of great things. She is just getting started. She's got a huge amount of talent and you're going to be seeing a lot of el Fanning's work in the years to come. I guarantee you Happy birthday to English actress and Star Wars luminary Daisy Ridley, who rose to prominence for her role as Ray in the Star Wars sequel trilogy from twenty fifteen to twenty nineteen. Following those films, she's appeared in the mystery film Murder on the Orient Express and played Ophele in the romantic drama Ophelia.

1:22:34 I don't think we're done with Ray yet. Somehow, I would not be at all surprised to hear that there is another appearance for her in the Star Wars universe. We shall wait and see, but I think she did a tremendous job, really brought a lot to the role and a really fine actress. Happy birthday to Tricia Helfer, who we will always be fond of from her work in the Ronald Deep War reimagining a Battlestar Galactica galacticer Little Star Galactica. You folks down there, seth, I thought that was your British accent coming through. Actually them Sidons needs a little rust help with her.

1:23:16 Final star. Somebody slap me, okay, But she was great, of course, and she played number six on the reimagined Battlestar Galactica. But that's one of those things where she said, just playing one. Version of a character's playing numerous character roles of that, and rather deftly. And there's a lot of subtlety, So don't There's a very unfortunate photograph there, prominently slapped into the middle there. I really hoping we can avoid the cheesecake humiliation stuff. It's really just galling. I mean, what are we like, are we penthouse for mirr or what I mean? Are we adults or what? Anyhow? There, I got that off my chest.

1:23:57 Bubbling there for a while. Yeah, a fine actress who should be appreciated for our talents on screen, not those other talents. So any outro jail for We see you, we speak your name, and we appreciate your work. Happy birthday to Jennifer Morrison, who played Wenona Kirk in the jj Abrams Star Trek of two thousand and nine. We also known as playing Emma Swan in Once Upon a Time and done a ton of other good things as well, but we certainly remember her as being part of the Kirk family in the Star Trek aspects there if you will. Happy birthday to April Tatro. Contortionists and actress. We were talking about a lot of contortionists today with Doug Jones right, who appeared in the role of Isis in her non feline human form and a big favorite of mine. Second season original series episode Assignment Earth really really great fun episode. I'm a big fan. I just love Assignment Earth. I think it's great. So happy birthday to you, April Tatro. Hope you had a great birthday. Got and geek out Okay, Paul's geek out alert claxon red light flashing, because I would just love this guy, the Great Ron Pearlman. Okay, yes, he was in the Star Trek Firmament, though I squinted and try not to see it when he played Riebn Viceroy and Star Trek Nemesis. BA has done so so much more. He was the lead role of Clay Morrow on the phenomenal FX television series Sons of Anarchy, a

1:25:30 sopranos on motorcycles if he's not checked it out, where he just dominated for many many seasons on that show. He began getting people's attention under a ton of makeup, and his Immy nominated role as Vincent on the Cult TV series Beauty and the Beast. Anybody here remember that then, Hamilton. We watched it every single week. It loved it. It was a breakout show, right, it really was. It was just like, you know, could easily have been consigned to the you know, trash heap that shows that didn't only have one season, like you know, Logan's Run TV show, But this show. Their charisma and the fact that he was able to communicate so much romantic heat frankly through all that makeup with Linda Hamilton pretty impressive.

1:26:20 I mean, it was the it was the show that made me understand the Beauty and the Beast story, which I didn't like get at first, and then like to see it portrayed throughout that show. Yeah, amazing, amazing. But Ron Prowin's and I'm a big fan of his social media presence because he has no filter at all, and when somebody's being a dingus, he just calls. Him out on this kind of guy. Yeah, absolutely, like. You you're a dingers and I'm gonna tell you why. I've You're ruining everyone's line. I got to check him out. He's great, He's I would I would just soul just sit down and have a few beers with this guy. I just think he's great. He's so talented. He's just done so many great things, I mean and talk about.

1:27:01 I mean, you know how many times he work with Doug Jones, because you know another frequent Guillermo del Toro collaborator, this is hell Boy himself. There have been several recent pretenders to the throne of hell Boy in recent abortive remakes and reimaginings of hell Boy, none of which Geramo has been involved in, and none of which had the good sense to cast Ron Peerlman and those are best forgotten because Ron Perlman is hell boy, right, and he showed up in lots of other pictures with Girmos Well. He had a brief funny role in Pacific Rim. He was in one of the Aliens films, Early on the one with Anona Rider and Sigrattey Waiver Alien something I can't it's escaping me, which is terrible. But this guy's done so many great pictures. He's a genre legend, and not just that, not in just a genre legend. He's a He's just an acting legend because he's just right there in your face. He just does not hold back.

1:28:02 He brings it. I just think he's a phenomenally talented individual, really really has all the goods, and I just love watching him work. He's just a force of nature, this guy. I hope other people are Ron Perlman fans, but if you're not, you should really check out his work. Anybody like Ron Prolman or our guest Doug Jones, who can convey emotion when you're wearing so many makeup appliances on your head, that is a gift, right, That's the sign of a real potent human being. So I don't know, I just love watching your work. Ron Promlin, You're a legend. Don't shut up, don't filter yourself, don't hold back. Baby, we love you on this show.

1:28:43 So, Ron Prolman, that was my geek out moment. I am now humbly going to retire into my cloistered, shadowy apartment and pass things over it. I don't live an apartment. Who am I getting? But just try to be funny. I know there's lots of other pronouncables on their way from. Uncle Jim, Uncle Jim, what do you got? I thank you so much, Paul, I've got some pretty good ones. I do have a kling on our two. I know that surprises you. You're shocked, But so we're gonna start off with our first birthday. Michelle Scarabelli she portrayed Lieutenant Junior Grade Jenneitis Sora on There She Is on the Screen and the TNG four season episode in Theory. She was Data's girlfriend briefly after Tasha, but I think she was best known as playing Susan Francisco in the television series Alienation and God, I love that show. If you guys have not watched Alienation, If you haven't seen it in a while, go and check it out. It was canceled way prematurely because not only did they get one, two, three, four, five, that's right, five made for TV movies after the cancelation.

1:29:56 That tells me Fox made a big mistake when they can sold Alienation. So happy birthday, Michelle Scarabelly. We also want to say Happy birthday, Eric Avari. Who is he? There? He is on the screen, right there. He appeared as by Jet and the TNG fifth season episode Unification Part one. He's the guy that wouldn't give Captain Picard a cloak ship or let him talk to Gallon. You guys remember him. It was a bit of a dink, but eventually he folded to Picard and he got his ship. But wait, there's more. He also played Yakara and VS. Nine's third season episode Destiny. He played jump In in enterprise first season episode Terra Nova, but he's best known as playing Kustin and Stargate SG one. Happy birthday, Eric Avari, and last on my list, I think that Paul might actually have an action figure of hers. If we're lucky, we want to say top flat an Happy birthday, Kathy Sheeriss.

1:31:06 She's the Canadian actress who played val Chris and Star Trek three the Search First Spot. Now I know Noceelle just put out an action figure for her. Do you have that, Paul Well, I have still yet to see an actual Nascell action figure other than at a con On display in the form of a prototype. But I don't think they emit the street yet. They were still waiting patiently, so you know, like we're waiting for Brian Wolgwis to come on the show. But neither things seem to be happening anytime soon. I've seen dates fluctuating. I mean, I like to live in hope that they that all of these teased figures do someday actually manifest themselves.

1:31:46 But and the. Valcus one looks great, love to see it. It comes to the Big Genesis torpedo and that is not a double untonder but it But you know, I'm just saying, but let's get it out here, okay, my goodness, gracious me. I mean someone that you would have one and you could hold it right up to the screen. But you know, all I can hold up is my Amphibian man tonight. That's that's all I got. In honor of Doug Jones. That's all I have, Handy, But yeah they have they have not been released, you know, and until they're released, you know, I live in Ope like the rest of fandom, you know, So this is one of the reasons, you know, I hope for the best.

1:32:28 But it's especially in the. Climate economically we live in right now, with things like tariffs and production overseas, and you know, it's it's a tough business. So I would love to get Brian on the show and talk to him about it and you know, get us get him fired up. So we'll see. But still not figgies, No figgies yet. I'm still waiting, Jim. I'm gonna have to do a special on boxing show. When they do finally come out, we'll have to do something special. All right, guys, that wraps up our side five birthdays. I hope you had a good time. I hope you enjoyed our vast array. Like Derek said, we stepped outside of Star Trek, which is great, and now we're gonna do some Star Trek news for you.

1:33:13 Guys. Say that's that's a much better instro than. Oh god, I couldn't agree more. Who made that? Is that? A David production. Who made that? No, I made that one. That's actually splendid. Very the new videos are great, thank you. Yeah, it was. It was fun kind of finding uh, not only royalty free music that we could dely use, but asking Jim to send me little video clips. And I know David loves his, but I think it's very introspective.

1:34:06 He looks like he's thinking very hard about Edith Keeler. So I just think it's perfect. I don't know, and. I'm looking I'm looking down. I don't know what I'm looking at the IV. I think I think I think that was the moment. Do you remember a few shows ago where Jim said something about the shirt you were wearing and he just, you know, I had the clips I had. Man, that's funny. I was gonna say I dropped my donut, but you know, I. Don't know. That that's good. You know, if you guys are listening to the podcast right now and you'd love to see all these awesome videos that David puts together that we refer to, all I have to do is head over to our Facebook page, Chuck Talk and and beyond, and for only ninety nine cents, you can become a subscriber and you get access to the video version of this podcast, which helps us promote and keep it on the air. So please head over to face our Facebook page Truck Talking and Beyond and do that. We'd appreciate it. All right, Eric, I think you've got the first story as usual.

1:35:18 Yeah, I'm excited to finally get to the story. I think it was on the docket for last week and we just couldn't quite get to it. This, of course, is our favorite segment. Shatner says, well, but this time I'm totally he's locked in. Man. William Shatner bemoans Starfleet Academy's end and mocks the woke backlash. William Shatner wishes the latest Star Trek show had been given the chance to live long and prosper I thank you all the rest of the Trek sperts, by the way, for muting during the segment. That would be great. The Star Trek actor ninety five took to X to bemone news that sci fi franchisees newest series, Star Trek, Starfleet Academy, will end after its upcoming second season. It was sorrow that I hear the cancelation of the new Star Trek series, he wrote. In a follow up post, Shatner mocked critics who celebrated the show's cancelation because they claimed it was woke. He argued that the original Star Trek, which famously featured an interracial kiss between Shattner's character Captain Kirk and Mishelle Nichols Uhura in a nineteen sixty eight episode, would be considered woke today. He said, during the first airing of my Star Trek series, where a kiss was objectionable, many Southern stations pulled the episode and condemned the show.

1:36:33 Using today's vernacular, it would absolutely be called woke dei crap because it went against the norms of society for its time. Not a lot. Seems to have changed. Shatner also reflected that Star Trek the Next Generation, which is now a widely beloved follow up to the original Star Trek receives quote, received tons of hate from fans when it first came out, concluding Star Trek is different for everyone. Holly Hunter starred in Star Trek Starfleet Academy, which premiered in January and centered on a class of Starfleet cadets. Some on social media labeled the show woke and mocked its diverse casting and storylines, which included the introduction of the first openly gay Klingon character.

1:37:20 Even a member of the Trump administration weighed in. In January, President Donald Trump's Deputy Chief of Staff for Policy, Stephen Millers, shared a clip from the show originally posted by an account called end Wokeness, and called on Paramount to save Star Trek by giving Shatner total creative control. It's just such a great story. In a segment on the View in January, Woope Goldberg, who played Guynan on Star Trek the Next Generation, she mocked the criticism. She said this was a show that was created with the idea that people from other planets would come and we would all find a way to exist together. She also said this also asking why Miller was concentrating on a television show instead of more pressing issues. Good question among critics. The reception to Star Trek Starfleet Academy. It was mostly positive, with the show receiving an eighty seven percent approval rating on Rotten Tomatoes. Star Trek Starfleet Academy is still set to aras second season, which was ordered even before season one premiered. Thank you, William Shatner for seeing the Star Trek fans and like for seeing real Star Trek and for seeing what isn't real Star Trek, which is the bots who are review bombing this show. So I think that the biggest lump in our throats right now, I think is the fact that it's been canceled before we even see the second season. So it's kind of like this colors our entire experience of the rest of the show.

1:38:49 But please, if you love the show, keep loving the show. It's great to hear that Shatner doesn't agree with the bots out there. So anyway, just imagine if they had given him control, we would get more Star Trek five five exactly. That's gonna say, give Shatner control, you get five seasons of Star Trek five. You're welcome. Just imagine that stea. Giving I think what was what's funny is that, like so that not to riff on this for too long, but like it's obvious the fan who said that was in a space where he thought of the William Shatner Captain Kirk character in a certain way, right, and and you can make some guesstimates as to what that way is but it's very clear that, you know, giving Shatner control over Star Trek to that person probably didn't even mean William Shatner. It probably meant the idea of a William Shatner Captain Kirk style character being the one who's actually in charge rather than somebody who's you know, frankly like making sure that everybody, even the people on the fringes, is included. So it was great to hear him like as that guy kind of be like, uh no, that's dumb.

1:40:11 It's actually totally awesome the way it is. So yeah, good stuff. So I think V has our next news story here. Yeah, V yep, okay, all right. Star Trek Universe Auction announced Starfleet Academy and Strange New Worlds. Since dismantled. Since the new era of Star Trek TV was launched with Star Trek Discovery in twenty seventeen, the live action production has been in Toronto, Canada. The main exception was for Star Trek Piccard, which is shot in southern California, primarily to accommodate Patrick Stewart, but with Paramount the signing earlier this month to not produce a third season of Starfleet Academy and deciding to wrap up Strange in Worlds last year, the studio is now looking to let go of their Trek stuff. Paramount announced the Star Trek Universe Auction, inviting friends to celebrate sixty years of Star Trek and own a piece of the legacy, with a portion of the proceeds benefiting Do Something. Here is their official description. Join us in commemorating sixty years of exploration, imagination and cultural impact.

1:41:33 Honor the past, celebrate the present, and help inspire the future. For six decades, Star Trek has inspired generations to imagine a future defined by exploration, optimism, and unity. In honor of this milestone anniversary, we are proud to present authentic and exclusive items from across the Star Trek Universe in support of dosthing dot Org. This is a rare opportunity for fans and collectors alike to own a tangible piece of the legacy. Each item tells a story, connecting you directly to the moments and characters that have shaped one of the most influential franchises in entertainment history, and this auction is also a chance to make a meaningful impact.

1:42:28 A portion of the prof seeds will benefit dosthing dot Org, one of Star Trek's official sixtieth anniversary charity partners supporting young people driving positive change in their communities. We're still awaiting most of the details on the auction, including loops I just lost, sorry, including exactly what will sell and what will be sold and when it will be held. As the official description is Auction number one. It appears that Things Wild groups will be conducted by four or three auctions in Toronto and Toronto. And here's the main This company has some strict rules on how it handles Am I there? Yeah? Sorry? Uh oh, I lost my internet connection again. Sorry, let's see. And here's the main catch as strict rules on how it handles its auctions.

1:43:30 And they warn that for Star Trek sale they will not be doing any shipping here the specific your in and. Out be just trying to finish and see see if we get you. Okay, yeah, it's my internet dropped again. Sorry, all right, all right. So there's one catch to this auction though, uh you must be a local Ontario resident to bid without a deposit. Out of provis customers and those located several hours away may still be eligible to participate by submitting an interactive e transfer available through Canadian banks or in person. Cast deposits in accordance with our terms and conditions. If your account was not automatically approved and you wish to proceed with a deposit, please contact us at online at four O three auctions dot com. The auction house has set up a page where you can sign up for updates at four O three auctions dot com. Backslash Star Trek. So, unfortunately you have to live in Canada or nearby to bid on any of this stuff, but it does stay auction number one in the title. So hopefully some of these items will make it to the United States where other fans will have an opportunity to bid on them.

1:44:52 All right, Charles, You've got the next one? Okay, thank you, Jim. Star Trek honored via the Broadcasting Plus Cable Hall of Fame. It has been nearly sixty years since creator Jeane Rodberry introduced Star Trek to the masses, and in more addition to celebrating its Stelluar anniversary this September, the beloved science fiction franchise will also be honored by the Broadcasting Plus Cable Hall of Fame as part of their twenty twenty sixth Class Star Trek Paramount Slash CBS Studios received the Broadcasting Plus Cable Hall of Fame Franchise of the Year Award.

1:45:35 Since nineteen ninety one, the BNC Hall of Fame has recognied innovators, visionaries, and leaders who have profoundly shaped the media landscape. Established for Broadcasting Magazine's sixtieth anniversary, each year, the Gaile and New York, New York City celebrates a new class of network leaders, station managers, agent partners, and the media stars who have left a lasting impact on the field. Startup could be honored at the thirty fourth Broadtesting but Cable Hall of Fame, certainly in New York City on September twenty ninth, at the Zig Field Ballroom.

1:46:17 Well, the engratulations is start all deserve. And let's see. I think I got time for one more story. Yeah, this is a short one. Join William Shatner on set for one of Live waves popular short films, the mission. If you choose to submit, We're selecting two people to join us at Live Waves headquarters in Draper, Utah, to appear alongside William Shatner in one of the two upcoming short films. These films are sequels to the original World's Oldest Intern, produced by Live Wire in twenty twenty five. You won't just visit the set, You'll step into this spotlight.

1:47:01 This isn't a contest. It's your chance to be a part of history with a legend. And there he is right there saying I want you. That's right, don't wait. You can submit your application through April twenty four, twenty twenty six, at the World's Oldest Intern dot com. So wouldn't that be awesome to act alongside William Shatner. I almost wonder what the experience would be like, Like I feel like in the end it would be a great story no matter what happened. But it could be really cool or it could be miserable, you know, while you're doing it. I'm not sure. Is that sure?

1:47:44 You know? As long as he you know, yeah, I think it could be interesting. I'd have to talk to him about stars at five more than anything else. But you know, let me just look at that face. I love that. I'd love to go back and like research all the old like Shatner says, what articles that we've said, and just do a whole line of questioning that's based on ship that he said it in the in the past, because it's all over the place, right, be hilarious. Yeah, well, how long have we been doing that? Shatner says, what we've been doing. My god years, man, Like it's it's been many years that we have been doing that segment.

1:48:25 Yeah, yeah, it's gonna Yeah, I think we did a Frank says what ones too. Yeah, we've occasionally branched out, but really Shatner is the one who provides the best content, let's be honest, very. Very true, very true. So guys, I think we're gonna wrap it up here. So well, you guys know that on April thirty, at that seven th Same Bad Time, Same Bad Channel, Tarah Rosling Torena from starts Discovery we'll be right here with and that one's going to be a lot of fun. So you don't want to miss that. And as I said at the top of the show, April twenty fifth and twenty six, if we're not sci Fi Horror Expo at Essex County Fairground, Trek Talk and then Beyond is going to be there and we're going to be hosting a star trek auction. I've got all kinds of great stuff that we're going to auction off to the Humane Society to help these animals find a home, like my Leya and my Anakin who's thinking about jumping on my computer. Don't do it. No, stay right there, Master say that. No he no, he's not going to stay that.

1:49:38 God damn it. I knew it. Over there and like there we go, like right here. So please, if you're in the area, stop by a different not sci fi expo and say hello. And if you finally I'll let you touch my balllet you never know, all right, So that's it. I want to say thank you so much to Derek and Doug for coming on the podcast. They were awesome guests. It was a lot of fun to talk to dougs. I hope you guys enjoyed that. And thank you so much to V for hanging out and Shrek talking with us tonight. Thank you, V. I think she's still frozen. And thank you so much to Eric for hanging out in Shrek talking with us.

1:50:21 Thank you. Eric, absolutely fun as always a man. Doug Jones, guys, we got to talk to him tonight. That was so cool. He was awesome. He was awesome. And thank you so much to Paul for hanging out and Shrek Talking with us tonight as well. Thank you so much, Paul. It was great, wonderful to have that gentleman as our guest. He's a real delight. I love the stories about falling down off stick. I thought that was a riot and they kept on filming. Got to love it. And thank you so much to Charles for hanging out in Shrek Talking with us tonight. Thank you, Charles. Oh, thank you. That interview was rate. One of the socials you can catch him is on Facebook. I've been watching that post constantly and it's like, oh, I wish I could afford some of that stuff coming up.

1:51:11 Yeah he didn't. Yeah, And of course, thank you so much to David for hanging out and Struk talking with us and putting together these awesome videos. Thank you, David. Yeah, it's been fun. Can't wait till next week. I think Va is back. Thank you so much for the moment. For the moment anyway, Yeah, I just keep dropping out, so sorry about that. But you didn't drop out there, and Doug, I. Know I'm thankful for that. Yes, absolutely, so. Thank you so much for for hanging out and struck talking with us tonight. It was a blast as always, I mean, most excellent host, Uncle Jim. Please everybody stay safe and be good to each other. Hailing frequencies are closed.

1:51:54 Good night, everybody, long and prosper. Mister Loud, I had work, walk war bod sir, heading sir out there. That a way And that's it.