June 2, 2025

BRUCE HORAK (Hemmer-SNW) interview

BRUCE HORAK (Hemmer-SNW) interview
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Star Trek Strange New WorldsSpecial Guests

In this engaging episode of Trek Talking, host Uncle Jim and his team welcome Bruce Horak, known for his role as Hemmer in Star Trek: Strange New Worlds. The conversation delves into Bruce's journey as a visually impaired artist, his documentary project 'Boldly Going', and the impact of his character Hemmer on the series. They explore behind-the-scenes insights, fan reactions, and Bruce's extensive background in theatre, including his innovative performance 'This Is Cancer'. The episode concludes with reflections on Bruce's aspirations and the future of his artistic endeavors. In this engaging conversation, Bruce Horak discusses his experiences with cutting-edge VR technology on set, his background in theater, and his current projects, including his work at the Shaw Festival. He shares insights into his passion for Dungeons & Dragons, the importance of character representation in media, and memorable moments from filming 'Star Trek: Strange New Worlds.' Bruce also reflects on the creative freedom he experienced while filming and the camaraderie among the cast and crew. The conversation concludes with Bruce's thoughts on future endeavors and his appreciation for fan interactions.

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around the globe. Welcome to a special presentation of Trek

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is four pm Eastern Standard time, one pm Pacific time

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for you guys that are keeping track. I'm your most

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excellent host, Uncle Jim. Hello, and welcome to the podcast.

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I like to go on and by awesome Trek's first

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to you. First, we have Paul Paul's on Oregon. How

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are you doing tonight, Paul or this afternoon?

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Great, my friend, things are doing well and excited to

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yack it up with our guests here tonight.

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Yeah, today, A lot of funding is a night. It's

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weird doing it in daytime.

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I know, it's it's different. It's different for sure.

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And also I think my my sleep is all messed up.

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I know the podcast and we also have with us Charles.

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Charles is out in Las Vegas. How you doing tonight, Charles?

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I'm doing good, sitting in Studio A because it's a

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little warm out. It's a little cool today because we've

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got a storm front coming through, but it's a little windy,

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a little warm. I thought I'd just stick with the

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cooler studio for now. But I'm also staying online and

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not getting thrown off, so things are looking.

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Good and that's a plus.

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That a plus.

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And from Oregon as well, we have our miracle worker David.

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How you doing today?

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David doing pretty good. I'm excited to talk with Bruce Harcres.

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So am I and without any further ado, the man

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of the hour, the one, the Only mister Bruce Horrick

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ak a hemmer on the Star Trek Strange New World

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Season one. Welcome to the podcast, Bruce.

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Thanks for having me. Great to be here.

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Thanks you all a lot of fun before we get started.

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We have an indigo that we want to talk about,

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to Boldly Go. Can you tell us a little bit

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about that now?

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Sure can.

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Working on a documentary called Boldly Going, and we have

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a crowdfunding campaign right now to get the thing off

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the ground. It's a production company out of Stratford, Ontario,

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which is where I'm based, and they approached me, oh gosh,

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about a year and a half ago to document my

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portrait series, which I began in twenty eleven working towards

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creating one thousand portraits, and I have completed seven hundred

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and fifty of the portraits, and as I'm pushing towards

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the final thousand or number one thousand in the series,

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it seemed like a really good time to capture some

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of this on film. It'll tell a little bit of

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my own story being a visually impaired visual artist and

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how I got into that, and then follow me as

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I sit with folks who have overcome adversity to some

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degree to to follow and pursue a creative life. I've

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been really inspired over the last number of years with

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the folks that I've got to sit with, and it's

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just really my goal is to share some of their

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stories and also just to share my perspective on the

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world and how I go about creating a portrait.

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Now, is it okay if we put that, if we

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put a link to that on our pago, that our

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fans can find you easily.

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The Indiego Go, Go Gole campaign, I think is finished

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on the sixteenth of June, so we're kind I'm on

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the home stretch here the last two weeks of the

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fundraiser and yeah, it's it's gonna happen. Balin Ran has

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made a real commitment to actually seeing the project to

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fruition and this will just really help us kind of

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get it over the finish line.

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All right, we will, we will see that. We get

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a link to the Endigo Go put up on our

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Facebook page right after the podcast. And for those of

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you who don't remember, Hemmer was on Strangment World season one.

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Unfortunately he died. Oh, I wanted to ask you a question.

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Every time I like a character, they killed them off.

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It's just inevitable. Now, when did you know that Hemmer

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was going to die? Or what did it take you

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by surprise? How did that wole happen?

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When I got when I got the breakdowns for the

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character there. I mean they were all under sort of

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these different names and all of that. All I knew

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about him was that he was an Enar and that

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he was blind. So I went and researched the characters

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and researched the Enarch species from Enterprise and did all

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that backstory and that that work. And then when I

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got up through to the final auditions, so probably audition

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number four, which was over Zoom, I met Henry Loncer Myers,

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who was the showrunner and one of the creators behind it,

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and he broke down the character for me and said,

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here's what we've got planned for him, going to become

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a bit of a He starts off as a curmudgeon,

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and then you find he's got a heart of gold

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and he's going to bond with the Hua and show

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her that Starfleets is the place for her, and then

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he's going to sacrifice himself. Actually they said he's going

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to die. I didn't know it was going to be

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a sacrifice. I had no idea how he was going

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to go, but I did know going in that it

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was going to have one season to begin with, so

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it didn't come as a shock that I was going

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to go. But I didn't read that that final episode

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of Hammers until probably maybe two weeks before we shot it,

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so there wasn't a whole lot of prep time for

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how that was going to happen. I'd spent the whole

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shoot time up until then just fingers crossed, hoping that

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it was going to be a good death. I know

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it was coming, but I didn't know it was going

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to be that cool, and I was. I was really

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pleasantly surprised when I read that script. For all those

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who wonder that that Hammer, Yeah, he sacrificed himself and

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he still managed to maintain his own ideals, but he

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was able to provide an example, you know, how to

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go boldly. And yeah, I was also very pleasantly surprised

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that I got to come back in season two for

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two episodes as both as Hammer in zombie form, which

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is quite a treat. I do love playing in the

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makeup and the prosthetics and all that, so getting to

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be a zombie. And of course Dan lu directed the

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episode Lost in Translation in season two there and he's

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got tons of experience with walking dead and zombies and

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things like that, so he was great and giving me

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the direction of how to make that character as creepy

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as possible. And then total other side of the coin,

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of course, was coming back as General Garkog and the

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musical episode, getting to sing, getting to dance, getting to

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just be something wholly other.

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And I mean the beauty of.

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A Star Trek, especially these recent incarnations, is the prosthetics

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are so great that you can just disappear behind all

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that that beautiful Latex and I was actually able to

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fool my own brother, Steve had no idea that I

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was playing Garkog, and I feel.

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Pretty chopped about that.

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Gotta say, got a bit of a sash on a

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on the actors sash.

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When you can fool your own family.

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Yeah, I would love to see you come back as

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that Klingon that that was that scene, that dancing, singing

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Klingon scene. Just absolutely I just loved it. I loved it,

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and when I found out that it was you that

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was dancing and sane, it was even better.

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Yet, Yeah, you know, so much fun.

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That was a great episode for sure.

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Uh.

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We do have a clip though, David that we want

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to show to let fans know who don't know who

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Hammer actually is. It's just a brief little clip that

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Paramount put together in season one. You want to roll

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that tape real quick, David, so we can.

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There we go, storms only getting closer, Enterprise transporter room.

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To engineering Hammer.

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I'm losing them. Try it now, how did you? I

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am a genius.

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May not be able to see, but other sense it's

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a compensation.

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Superior humans waste so much money worrying about death.

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Dean.

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I believe the end only comes once you have fulfill

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your purpose.

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So what was your purpose?

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To fix what is broken?

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Wow? I love it.

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We we used to have clip what a sexty clip go?

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We had it.

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We used to do a segment on the show called

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It's Hammer Time, Okay, and yes, we would go and

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we play whatever words of wisdom, whatever Yoda isms. Hammer

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shared that episode. Love you that and we talk about

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it because Hemmer was kind of he was the Yoda

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of Star Trek. He always had work for people, and

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he looked at things in a different way. And uh,

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you know, thank you for bringing that character to life

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and making him so wonderful, you.

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Know, not pleasure, not pleasure. It was it was a

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real dream come true for me to get to be

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on Star Trek. I gotta say I was. You know,

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I grew up as a as a real fan. I

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watched the original series and reruns and Next Generation and Voyager,

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and you know, I never dreamed in a million years

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that I was ever gonna get to be on that

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series and get to add to that incredible legacy.

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And gosh, we're coming up on.

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Like sixty years of this franchise, Like there's Yeah, it's

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a real testament. It's a testament not only to the

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storytelling but to the fans who were keeping it alive.

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And yeah, it's a real honor.

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Now, I wanted to ask you about that scene with

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the carrot. Was that a CGI carrot? Or did you

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actually reach up and catch that carrot? Would spock through it?

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So magic this insider trick. I actually threw it to

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Ethan and they reversed the film.

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Oh sneaky, sneaky, do want very carefully you could see

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it's in reverse.

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But no, we didn't.

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We had a whole day on set trying to figure

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out how to catch that carrot, and the simplest solution

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was the was the best way to go. I think

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Ethan probably threw four or five at me, and I

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just biffed him every time, so throw me throwing it

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back to him.

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Just yeah, it seemed to work.

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Out, and it did work wonderfully. Movie magic at its

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So obviously have you been keeping up on Strange New Worlds?

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Yeah? Yeah, yeah.

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So now Captain Patel has been infected with gorn eggs

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and we ran a poll on our Facebook page, Uh

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do you think Captain Bettel will survive? And the majority

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of the people were like, well, if they find a

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way to save Captain Battel, then why didn't they bring

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back Hammer and save him? So Beateel's got to go,

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and our audience will split fifty fifty down the middle

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that she's got to go and Hammer's got to come back.

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If they could save her, they could save you. You know.

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Wow, maybe there's hope for me. Yeah, yeah, maybe.

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You're maybe you're frozen in the ice there and then

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go back and get you.

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Well I won't, I won't call my agent yet, but

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I got my fingers crossed.

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I want to see you come back as a klingon myself.

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I thought you would just think here brilliant in that episode.

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All right, Well, I'm going to turn the microphone over

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to Paul here, I think I've taken up enough of

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your time. Take it away, Paul.

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Why I treat my friend Bruce welcome. It is awesome

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to get a chance to meet you. And they say

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that there's numerous universes that any possible iteration of existence

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could you know, take place. And I like to think

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that there's another universe out there where they did not

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kill off your character and that you were continuing to

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enrich the show season after season, because for My money Man.

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Season one, you were the highlights. Oh wow, absolutely the highlight.

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It was just like, Okay, we've seen some of these

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characters before, and we're familiar. Here's this version of there's

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this version of you know.

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Spot there we go.

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But to have such a breath of fresh air, and

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we've never seen a main character that's an enar or

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when it has such attitude and such or a disability

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being so prominently put so forward there and it was

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just absolutely refreshing. And I just love what you did

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with it, man, So I kind of felt like somebody

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took away my entree before I was done, right, you know,

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do you do you do you kind of wish to

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some degree? I mean you you you said that you

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thought it was a really cool ending, right, the cool

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demise that they that they gave the character. But this

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part of you was sort of wish that maybe, you know,

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Henry made a different choice there and oh you die.

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On Absolutely it's uh yeah, And and really that's that's

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just kind of my own the actor ego slash a

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little feeling at times a little bit greedy. It's like,

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I want a I want more work, and I really

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want to go back to that world of uh yeah,

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the days on set and there's I mean, that's what

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what ends up ended up on film I'm really really

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proud of. But I was also really quite taken with

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the process of of making a televi vision show.

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I'd never done it before.

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I've been in the arts and in this industry for

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thirty years, but I've made my living as an independent

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theater producer and creator and writer and director and musician

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all live stuff.

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Here in Canada.

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And yeah, I never really considered a film and TV

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as a as a possibility for me, partly my own

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notion about what a film set would be and whether

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or not I'd be able to handle it, and whether

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my disability was going to even allow me onto these

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sets is there. You know, you're looking at millions of

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dollars of worth of equipment, and it's dangerous to fly

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I'm here, there and everywhere. And to think that they're

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going to have a blind actor in this scenario if

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all that's that's never really going to be for me. Also,

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you know, you look at like the Hollywood model of

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what is on screen, the faces that we see on screen.

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I mean, there're this symmetry in the eyes and the

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you know all of that, And I thought, oh, I

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don't have a I've got a I've got a face

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for radio.

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As my mother used to say, it's a my friend.

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I'm kidding, but but yeah, So to be on that show,

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I just, uh yeah, I really fell in love with it.

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I fell in love with the whole process and the others.

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There's a part of me that just really wants to

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get back, go back into space for that. But you know,

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I can think, I certainly can take a step back

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and look at the larger picture and see like he

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he Hammer was a supporting character in who in Uhura's

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story and in you know, he has an effect on

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the other characters in the cast. But it seemed like

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it was the Uhura story that he was really there

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to support. And I think, yeah, she has like a

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really beautiful journey.

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In that first season.

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And yeah, and and coming back in season two for

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the little bow at the end of the tale, I thought, oh,

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that's that's that's really classy.

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If they can find.

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A way, like a really creative way, and it makes

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sense for Hammer to come back, not just to like, well,

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we got to have this character back because we killed

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him off, but actually bring him back for a noble purpose.

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I'd be like, oh, I would definitely be in for that.

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And I got to echo what Jim said as well, right,

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because it was just, you know, it was a really

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audacious episode, the Subspace Rhapsody. It was complete I think

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when initially, you know, we're a lot of Star Trek

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fans man, I love us, I love us, but we

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can be very curmudgeonly and resistant to change, right, And

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people were hearing musical episode and there was a lot

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of a lot of pearl fletchings about that, and then

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it was a not only uh, you know, phenomenal success.

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I don't think that anybody could have anticipated. But brother,

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you stole that sucker.

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Hardcore.

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I mean, there's just no question about it. I mean

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that is and I didn't know until I think the

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next morning. I think I read that that was you, right,

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but I was just like I could. I mean, it

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was just you know, you've kind of been going, oh,

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this is prosaic, it's lovely, it's cute and like a

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romantic style, and then and then you just went for

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the gut bunch man. It was just so hilarious. I mean,

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it was just such hilarious moment. And I'm like, I

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would see General Garkog come back in any iteration that

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you guys come up with.

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I mean, because he's still out there. He just had

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to be a musical thing. You don't have to be a.

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Gape pop band again, but let's get that.

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Yeah, it was so fun. It was so fun.

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Yeah, and they Yeah, honestly, like putting on cling On

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makeup after having spent the time in the n R

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that was that was a cake walk. But also yes,

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to see myself as a kling on, I yeah, it

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was really trippy. It was really fun.

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Did you contribute to the design of what the character

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have heard that they sort of presented that to you, and.

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They presented that like I had no I knew it

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was going to be a cling on and and so

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they gave me the tapes to rehearse the songs with,

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because we went into the studio and recorded them. We

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did two versions of the song, so that there's a

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K Pop version and then there's also the cling On

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opera version of that song. And uh so the day

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in the studio, which was a riot, just worked on

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both of those things. And then on the day or

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the day before, I went in for the camera test,

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so they wanted to put me in the makeup and

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see how it was going to look. I was driving

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into the studio and I got a phone call from

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one of the prosthetics guys who had done the work

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on Hammer, and he's like, just remind me again, he says, Bruce,

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It's it's Shane. We've got to remind me which is

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your artificial eye? So my right eye is artificial and

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he's like, okay, I mean sort of hung up. And

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when I got to the prosthetics trailer, the piece had

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been made and it had been shipped to the set

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and it had been made with the eye patch.

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Over my left eye.

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So I wasn't going to be able to see, and

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they were all, you know, all itizzy and kind of

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a bit of a panic, and they spent the whole

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night between the camera test and the shoot, they basically

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took the piece apart.

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And these are very.

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It's not that they're fragile, but they're really specific pieces

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of prosthetics that they were putting together. And Chris Bridges

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managed to cut the piece apart rebuild it so that

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the eye patch was over my right eye so on

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the day of shooting I'd be able to actually we

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see and uh, I mean, it's just incredible. It's it's

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seamless the work that they have done. And yeah, as

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soon as I got into the makeup and saw the

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wig and the teeth and and the the costume with

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the armor and everything, is just like, yeah, this gar Co,

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this is who he is. The only piece of direction

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I was given after the first take was maybe a

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little less, So I went, Plumber, are you getting a

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pling on.

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Work? I think your instincts are golden.

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You're back and any a new character and we know, man,

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you've done something for the upcoming season and you're not

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allowed to talk about.

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It, so I know, I wish.

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You know, I mean, you're so you could be fooling

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us easily.

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Look for the triple on the left.

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That's me, okay, man.

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I got a couple other questions, and I'll turn this

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over to one of the trust works. But I'm a

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massive Shakespeare fan and I see that you did. Was

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it in Calgary where you did the Shakespeare in the

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Park for a long time?

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I did.

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Yeah, I fell in love with Shakespeare pretty early age.

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My dad was an English teacher and a comic book collector. Actually,

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oddly enough, the first time I read Shakespeare was as

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a classics illustrated comic book version. Yeah, yeah, I bet,

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but yeah, I just loved it. And Calgary, Alberta, where

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I was born and raised. I went to a theater

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school there, and the program with that school had a

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summertime component where some of the actors would go and

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do Shakespeare in the Park. They would hire a professional

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director and maybe one professional actor and then the rest

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was filled out by students. And my first season was

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Shakespeare in the Park was just an absolute dream. I

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mean I started.

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As a buster.

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Actually in high school I would go and play on

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the street, so outdoor performing was definitely in my Wheelhouse.

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Beginning to go out and do Shakespeare was just something else,

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And there was just something about, you know, gathering a

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crowd and performing outside and doing these epics stories and

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learning to work that text and project and just all

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the things that I really dreamed about as an actor.

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I ended up working with Shakespeare in the Park for

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about six seasons in Calgary, not only as an actor,

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but also I wrote a family show for them, a musical,

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and then I also came back as a company musician.

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And then adaptations of Shakespeare that some friends and I

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would get together and we would adapt to a Tempest

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for four people or twelve Night for six and go

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to bars and tour them around, and most recently have

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adapted Macbeth for three people, well actually two actors Macbeth

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and then a third who's our musician, and we gone

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goblin masks. So these composite effects out of the US

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creates these incredible prosthetic goblin masks. So the premise is

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that three goblins have discovered the works of William Shakespeare

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and they present his bloodiest tragedy as it was meant

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to be done in full goblin. And I might even

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be wearing a Goblin on the Beach. The Goblin Empire expands,

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and that's been touring for two and a half years now.

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We're going to the Centaur Theater in Montreal in March

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of twenty six with Goblin Macbeth and recently ran at

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the Terragon in Toronto and was presented at the Stratford Festival.

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And our follow up to Goblin Macbeth is Goblin Oedipis,

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So it's three person, three Goblin take on the Greek

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tragedy of Oedipus, which is going to the Stratford Festival

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in October. And we've got many more Goblin shows in

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the shoot. But again, you know, it goes back to

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my absolute love of mask work and prosthetic stuff.

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That I can just put this mask on and disappear

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and nobody has any idea that it's me.

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I hope I get to see the show at some point.

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That sounds phenomenal.

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The Empire is moz It's coming for you.

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Of the Shakespearean roles, Is Macbeth your favorite or what

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is your personal when you feel drawn to.

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Gosh I've done.

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Yeah, It's funny like the last few years I've sort

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of referred to as I'm in my tyrant phase because

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I played Oedipus and matt Beth and Richard the Third

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recently as well, so I'm really just digging into my villains.

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I really love the language in those plays. But Macbeth

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is so much fun because it really is a ride

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that and maybe it's also.

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In the edit of it, I mean, the original is not.

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That is one of his shortest plays, but once it

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gets going, it just cooks all the way through and

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there's just so many great lines and famous moments in that.

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And yeah, that one really resonates. Yeah, it's a good story.

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Well, I was hoping I could ask you one other

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questions because I am fascinated by this, and I think

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you did this with the Canadian Fringe Theater, I believe,

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but you did a show that it was called This

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is Cancer, where you played the living embodiment of the disease,

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if I understand it correctly, correct, Yes, tell us how

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that what that was like for you and how that

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came into being.

481
00:24:03.960 --> 00:24:08.359
Well, I had cancer as a baby. That's how I

482
00:24:08.400 --> 00:24:13.160
lost ninety one percent of my vision, and cancer's kind

483
00:24:13.200 --> 00:24:15.400
of been a specter in my life ever since then.

484
00:24:17.000 --> 00:24:19.759
My father passed away of cancer in two thousand and

485
00:24:19.799 --> 00:24:23.640
four and the last year of his life. I mean,

486
00:24:23.680 --> 00:24:26.079
he was really quite an incredible guy. He was very

487
00:24:26.079 --> 00:24:33.119
funny man, and he often found humor in dark places.

488
00:24:33.200 --> 00:24:37.000
And the notion of portraying cancer and kind of looking

489
00:24:37.000 --> 00:24:40.720
at humanity from the point of view of a terminal

490
00:24:40.759 --> 00:24:44.480
illness something that I think he would have greatly appreciated.

491
00:24:44.839 --> 00:24:49.160
It's got a bit of a buffoon or bouffant style

492
00:24:49.240 --> 00:24:51.880
to it. So Cancer, I'm dressed and I head to

493
00:24:51.880 --> 00:24:56.039
toe gold lammat speed skating outfit, and Cancer's got lumps

494
00:24:56.039 --> 00:24:57.640
and bumps all over him, and he's got sort of

495
00:24:57.640 --> 00:24:59.240
blacked out teeth and it looks like he's been.

496
00:24:59.160 --> 00:24:59.759
Punched in both.

497
00:25:00.480 --> 00:25:03.920
He's really charming, sort of English guy, and he makes

498
00:25:03.960 --> 00:25:06.720
Martinez for everyone, and he's really happy that everyone's here.

499
00:25:07.160 --> 00:25:09.519
And he does a show for what he thinks is

500
00:25:09.720 --> 00:25:12.680
his adoring public because everyone runs for cancer and raises

501
00:25:12.759 --> 00:25:15.680
money for cancer, and when he googles cancer, cancer gets

502
00:25:15.680 --> 00:25:18.240
more Google hits than Jesus. So he's like, look a look,

503
00:25:18.279 --> 00:25:19.759
how big I am And isn't it great?

504
00:25:19.759 --> 00:25:20.359
You will love me?

505
00:25:20.440 --> 00:25:21.839
And then through the course of the show, of course

506
00:25:21.839 --> 00:25:25.079
the audience turns on him. It's got a real liquid

507
00:25:25.240 --> 00:25:28.319
fluid fourth wall, so real direct address kind of vibe.

508
00:25:28.319 --> 00:25:31.440
I've got a band on stage with me and just

509
00:25:31.519 --> 00:25:34.359
kind of doing this rock concert or whatever. And the

510
00:25:34.400 --> 00:25:37.279
audience tell him basically whatever they say to him, I mean,

511
00:25:37.319 --> 00:25:40.519
and people will say, we'll talk to cancer, And in

512
00:25:40.599 --> 00:25:44.279
his defense, he talks about the people that he has loved.

513
00:25:44.039 --> 00:25:46.720
Because in cancer is a sort of milieu.

514
00:25:46.920 --> 00:25:48.960
He falls in love with people, but they get sick

515
00:25:48.960 --> 00:25:52.160
and die and that's kind of the curse of being cancer.

516
00:25:52.319 --> 00:25:54.079
And he pulls out the book of all the people

517
00:25:54.119 --> 00:25:56.839
that he's loved and Carl Horak, my father's name, is

518
00:25:57.000 --> 00:26:00.759
in there. So he tells my story and my dad's story,

519
00:26:00.799 --> 00:26:04.880
but from his point of view, and the lessons that

520
00:26:04.920 --> 00:26:07.880
my dad learned from cancer come through Cancer's mouth about

521
00:26:08.319 --> 00:26:12.359
appreciating the time that you have left, about you know,

522
00:26:12.400 --> 00:26:15.799
living life to its fullest, and remembering what you would

523
00:26:15.799 --> 00:26:17.720
have missed, like you could sit in the mire and

524
00:26:17.759 --> 00:26:19.920
go I never should have did this, that and the

525
00:26:19.920 --> 00:26:21.759
other thing, but also think of the things in life

526
00:26:21.799 --> 00:26:22.839
that are of.

527
00:26:22.799 --> 00:26:23.400
Value to you.

528
00:26:23.759 --> 00:26:26.480
And the show ends with Cancer going to the audience

529
00:26:26.519 --> 00:26:28.039
and asking them like, how do you get through your

530
00:26:28.079 --> 00:26:31.319
bad days and getting this incredible advice from people about

531
00:26:31.759 --> 00:26:33.920
whatever it might be. I mean oftentimes it's like, oh,

532
00:26:33.960 --> 00:26:36.039
take the dog for a walk, or call some call

533
00:26:36.079 --> 00:26:37.359
a friend, or whatever it might.

534
00:26:37.240 --> 00:26:39.319
Be, so you have no idea what they're going to say.

535
00:26:41.279 --> 00:26:44.960
Very interactive, and the final act of the show, while

536
00:26:44.960 --> 00:26:46.720
he's out in the audience, he ends up falling in

537
00:26:46.720 --> 00:26:49.559
love with one of the audience members and then he realizes, oh, no,

538
00:26:49.640 --> 00:26:51.359
this means you're going to get sick. You've got to

539
00:26:51.359 --> 00:26:53.440
come up on stage. So I bring an audience member

540
00:26:53.519 --> 00:26:55.960
up on stage and I give them a huge foam

541
00:26:56.000 --> 00:26:58.839
pool noodle and I get them to beat the living

542
00:26:58.960 --> 00:27:00.680
tar out of me in front of the audience in

543
00:27:00.799 --> 00:27:02.400
order to make sure that I'm not.

544
00:27:02.359 --> 00:27:04.799
Coming home with them. And then I sing a big

545
00:27:04.799 --> 00:27:06.359
closing number and kind of wrap it up.

546
00:27:07.039 --> 00:27:09.240
That is brilliant show.

547
00:27:09.759 --> 00:27:10.160
Thank you.

548
00:27:10.359 --> 00:27:13.359
Each show is followed by I get out of costume

549
00:27:13.359 --> 00:27:15.200
and makeup, and then there's a Q and A and

550
00:27:15.559 --> 00:27:18.079
it's sort of a talkback session after every show. It's

551
00:27:18.079 --> 00:27:22.119
just a way to decompress a little bit. And honestly,

552
00:27:22.160 --> 00:27:27.160
it's those those really personal human interactions that that I

553
00:27:27.279 --> 00:27:30.920
crave getting hit by a foam pool moodle not so

554
00:27:31.000 --> 00:27:31.680
much anymore.

555
00:27:32.880 --> 00:27:34.519
They just won't take it.

556
00:27:34.920 --> 00:27:36.039
And I've chosen poorly.

557
00:27:36.079 --> 00:27:38.720
I will say this, I have chosen audience members poorly

558
00:27:38.799 --> 00:27:40.960
in the past. Being visually impaired, I can't really tell

559
00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:43.960
how tall or linebacker like a person who's going to

560
00:27:44.000 --> 00:27:46.319
be when they're in their chair, or they might be,

561
00:27:46.480 --> 00:27:48.640
you know, eight months pregnant. And I wouldn't have an

562
00:27:48.680 --> 00:27:50.559
idea until they come up on stage with the foam

563
00:27:50.559 --> 00:27:53.640
pool moodle. But they've all they've all given their best

564
00:27:53.799 --> 00:27:57.319
and hopefully spread a little bit of that perspective around.

565
00:27:57.799 --> 00:28:02.119
Yeah, that was This can so personal and daring, man.

566
00:28:02.200 --> 00:28:05.480
I mean I think that that's that's what theater should

567
00:28:05.519 --> 00:28:10.200
aspire to be. I mean, is that perspective? So kudos

568
00:28:10.200 --> 00:28:12.920
to you, my friend. I don't know, is that is that?

569
00:28:13.200 --> 00:28:15.960
Is there snippets on YouTube anywhere that we can find,

570
00:28:16.039 --> 00:28:17.720
you know, is there any of that out there?

571
00:28:17.880 --> 00:28:19.160
That's a really good question.

572
00:28:20.200 --> 00:28:21.799
I mean, I am fascinated by this.

573
00:28:22.279 --> 00:28:25.359
I need to seek. The answer is no, but it will,

574
00:28:25.720 --> 00:28:27.000
it will make an appearance again.

575
00:28:27.200 --> 00:28:30.640
Sure well, I just I out this. I want to

576
00:28:30.640 --> 00:28:32.720
make sure to make room for the rest of our gang. Here,

577
00:28:32.759 --> 00:28:37.000
but Bruce, you're just a sensation and we we got

578
00:28:37.039 --> 00:28:40.519
to get more of you, my friend, and just this

579
00:28:40.759 --> 00:28:44.720
energy or this is just unstoppable. So thank you for

580
00:28:44.720 --> 00:28:48.240
for sharing so much today. What's up next to Trexperts

581
00:28:48.279 --> 00:28:51.160
is Charles. Are you standing there at the home plate?

582
00:28:51.519 --> 00:28:55.640
Yeah, let's let's put me up there. Okay, I think

583
00:28:55.680 --> 00:29:00.680
I want to jump in with Paul Paul and comment,

584
00:29:00.799 --> 00:29:06.200
just to put your little perspective. Trek talking Jim up there,

585
00:29:06.799 --> 00:29:10.000
was like, they can't do a musical. A musical just

586
00:29:10.039 --> 00:29:13.160
doesn't work. I'm going to hate it. It's not gonna

587
00:29:13.160 --> 00:29:17.920
be something I want to watch. And because reviewed the episode,

588
00:29:18.000 --> 00:29:20.759
he had to watch it and he was hearing the

589
00:29:20.759 --> 00:29:22.480
swords like, oh, I'm kind of liking this.

590
00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:23.640
This is good.

591
00:29:24.359 --> 00:29:27.400
When the Klingon went up there, I know exactly, it's

592
00:29:27.440 --> 00:29:29.240
like Jim's gonna go crazy.

593
00:29:29.319 --> 00:29:31.880
He's gonna love that Klangon.

594
00:29:33.559 --> 00:29:36.559
And when we talked about the show, he just he

595
00:29:36.799 --> 00:29:39.480
was just he loved it. He was like, I like

596
00:29:39.559 --> 00:29:42.680
a musical, musicals could it was not what I thought

597
00:29:42.839 --> 00:29:46.440
was gonna be. And me personally, I was looking at

598
00:29:46.480 --> 00:29:52.200
it thinking, Okay, I watched this show. It's like, oh, man,

599
00:29:52.359 --> 00:29:54.839
I wish I could get that as an as a

600
00:29:54.839 --> 00:29:59.519
album and actually get the music separately. And I love

601
00:29:59.599 --> 00:30:02.799
the next Today it's like okay, YouTube music just got

602
00:30:02.839 --> 00:30:03.720
released the album.

603
00:30:03.799 --> 00:30:05.079
It's like oh yes.

604
00:30:06.240 --> 00:30:09.000
In fact, I even had somebody had to share saying, oh,

605
00:30:09.480 --> 00:30:11.759
you've never seen a K pop cling on before, Well

606
00:30:11.759 --> 00:30:13.119
that's the cake Pop pling on.

607
00:30:14.599 --> 00:30:14.920
Remember.

608
00:30:15.359 --> 00:30:21.079
Oh, man, I missed that. I need to see that episode.

609
00:30:22.759 --> 00:30:27.200
But as Hammer, I wasn't working with the VR wall.

610
00:30:29.480 --> 00:30:33.640
Oh the VR wall was what an amazing piece of technology.

611
00:30:33.720 --> 00:30:35.400
I'm huge, just a.

612
00:30:35.119 --> 00:30:39.519
Full studio size room with Florida ceiling screens and even

613
00:30:39.559 --> 00:30:40.759
on the ceiling as well.

614
00:30:41.640 --> 00:30:43.279
It got very hot in.

615
00:30:43.160 --> 00:30:45.640
There, and I'm already under you know, three and a

616
00:30:45.680 --> 00:30:49.079
half hours of prosthetic work, so you know, keeping cool

617
00:30:49.279 --> 00:30:55.119
was certainly a struggle at times, but yeah, it was

618
00:30:55.240 --> 00:30:58.000
really quite incredible. A little dizzying the first time that

619
00:30:58.039 --> 00:31:01.839
I went out there, because when the moves, the image

620
00:31:01.880 --> 00:31:04.839
on the screen would shift as well, and it wasn't

621
00:31:04.920 --> 00:31:07.200
just it wasn't a projection like it was an actual

622
00:31:07.400 --> 00:31:10.359
screen there, So you get that kind of dizzying sensation

623
00:31:10.480 --> 00:31:13.400
of the whole background suddenly shifting as the camera was

624
00:31:13.400 --> 00:31:16.799
going back into place. Oftentimes when they would do a

625
00:31:16.799 --> 00:31:18.240
big reset, I would just kind of look at the

626
00:31:18.240 --> 00:31:20.240
ground because it would Yeah, I would really feel like

627
00:31:20.319 --> 00:31:20.680
you're on.

628
00:31:20.640 --> 00:31:21.400
A roller coaster.

629
00:31:22.440 --> 00:31:24.680
But wow, what a yeah, incredible thing, like the day

630
00:31:24.720 --> 00:31:26.799
that we I think the first time I was in there,

631
00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:29.680
it was set up as engineering, which is quite spectacular.

632
00:31:29.720 --> 00:31:31.720
But then there was a day where we were landing on.

633
00:31:31.599 --> 00:31:36.279
The planet itself unrecognizable, and you're walking around the scenery

634
00:31:36.319 --> 00:31:38.160
and you could see it going for miles, and yeah,

635
00:31:38.200 --> 00:31:41.039
it was very easy to get lost in the universe

636
00:31:41.240 --> 00:31:44.720
because it was right there, beautiful one.

637
00:31:45.200 --> 00:31:48.279
Instead of being stuck behind a green screen, all of

638
00:31:48.279 --> 00:31:50.519
a sudden, you're seeing what the camera is seeing, which

639
00:31:50.559 --> 00:31:55.039
is entirely different perspective. I haven't got a shame here

640
00:31:55.039 --> 00:31:58.000
in Vegas, but one day I want to get to

641
00:31:58.119 --> 00:32:02.519
the new sphere, which inside is just one big video

642
00:32:02.599 --> 00:32:06.480
screen in there, and I'm thinking, okay, this is almost

643
00:32:06.480 --> 00:32:07.039
like the wall.

644
00:32:09.680 --> 00:32:13.119
Yeah, yeah, that's amazing, amazing technology.

645
00:32:13.160 --> 00:32:17.079
Yes, kind of falling up a little bit of Paul too.

646
00:32:17.440 --> 00:32:20.599
What others live theater have you done, because I personally

647
00:32:20.599 --> 00:32:24.839
I love hitting live theater. That Cancer show, I don

648
00:32:24.839 --> 00:32:28.240
almost say we needed Bruce Krak. We need a Bruce

649
00:32:28.319 --> 00:32:33.079
Korak YouTube channel and see some of these see some

650
00:32:33.200 --> 00:32:35.839
of these productions occg because I'd love to see these.

651
00:32:36.119 --> 00:32:38.839
I would love to see the orc. One I would

652
00:32:38.920 --> 00:32:43.279
are the Goblins. I would love to see them them performing.

653
00:32:44.799 --> 00:32:45.680
In fact, there.

654
00:32:50.759 --> 00:32:52.920
Don't have enough connections to get you to Vegas.

655
00:32:53.839 --> 00:32:56.359
But well, I'm.

656
00:32:56.240 --> 00:32:59.880
Currently working at the Shaw Festival in Strett and Niagara

657
00:33:00.119 --> 00:33:02.880
the Lake, So I've got a six month contract.

658
00:33:02.440 --> 00:33:08.359
Here where Shaw Festival is a a repertory theater company,

659
00:33:08.400 --> 00:33:11.759
so they've got eight or ten shows happening in various venues.

660
00:33:12.079 --> 00:33:15.079
So I'm currently in rehearsals for a production of Weight

661
00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:18.319
Until Dark, which is based on the Audrey Hepburn and

662
00:33:18.440 --> 00:33:22.000
Alan Arkin film from the sixties, sort of a suspense

663
00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:25.519
thriller where a young blind woman is being terrorized by

664
00:33:25.559 --> 00:33:27.079
some horrible thugs.

665
00:33:27.119 --> 00:33:28.200
I play one of the thugs.

666
00:33:28.680 --> 00:33:31.119
And the other show I'm working on here is called

667
00:33:31.200 --> 00:33:34.920
Murder on the Lake, which is another spontaneous theater production.

668
00:33:35.039 --> 00:33:38.680
Spontaneous theater. The people behind Goblin, Macbeth and This is

669
00:33:38.720 --> 00:33:41.200
Cancer and Blind.

670
00:33:40.920 --> 00:33:42.319
Date and various other shows.

671
00:33:42.359 --> 00:33:46.359
And in this one there's eight actors and we invite

672
00:33:46.359 --> 00:33:49.799
an audience member on stage to go undercover and solve

673
00:33:49.839 --> 00:33:53.559
a murder mystery that's set and have been and breakfast.

674
00:33:53.079 --> 00:33:55.279
In Niagrond the Lake. Yeah.

675
00:33:56.000 --> 00:33:58.359
Yeah, so that's currently running and those will be running

676
00:33:58.400 --> 00:33:59.240
until October.

677
00:34:01.759 --> 00:34:04.279
Man for that minute off the streets.

678
00:34:04.119 --> 00:34:07.079
Yes, I'm gonna think for that kind of theater. We'd

679
00:34:07.119 --> 00:34:09.679
love to get you a little closer to the Utah

680
00:34:09.719 --> 00:34:15.199
Shakespearean Festival that does Shakespeare and non Shakespeare. Yeah, there's

681
00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:20.119
a big festival in Cedar. It's south of Salt Lake,

682
00:34:20.920 --> 00:34:26.159
north of I can't think of the big city down

683
00:34:26.159 --> 00:34:29.039
the south, but it's a college town and in the

684
00:34:29.079 --> 00:34:33.039
summertime they do a repertoire about six I think they

685
00:34:33.119 --> 00:34:36.760
do six to nine shows during the season. They do

686
00:34:36.800 --> 00:34:38.719
a summer season and the fall season.

687
00:34:40.760 --> 00:34:45.159
Amazing, amazing. Yes, well maybe they need to see some goblins.

688
00:34:44.719 --> 00:34:47.920
Yes, I think lovely if they could.

689
00:34:48.840 --> 00:34:51.199
Yeah, the Goblin Empire is coming.

690
00:34:51.920 --> 00:34:52.239
Yes.

691
00:34:53.159 --> 00:34:55.199
As I said, we got to get you on the

692
00:34:55.199 --> 00:34:57.159
YouTube channel. Promote on the YouTube.

693
00:34:59.000 --> 00:35:02.960
Love you have a YouTube channel, mister Bruce Horak on

694
00:35:03.000 --> 00:35:05.920
YouTube and I've got mostly it's music that I've got

695
00:35:06.000 --> 00:35:08.800
up there, so it's me singing and sharing some of

696
00:35:08.800 --> 00:35:10.400
the music that I've been working on, but there are

697
00:35:10.400 --> 00:35:13.519
some clips from my portrait painting as well. Some of

698
00:35:13.519 --> 00:35:16.679
my sittings are on YouTube on mister Bruce orak.

699
00:35:17.760 --> 00:35:20.960
Okay, I will look you up then and pass over

700
00:35:20.960 --> 00:35:21.480
to David.

701
00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:25.400
Thank you, David, my pleasure anytime.

702
00:35:26.400 --> 00:35:30.920
It's really nice. Pleasure me and you you my character

703
00:35:31.159 --> 00:35:35.199
on during the World. I'm going to reveal something that

704
00:35:35.280 --> 00:35:37.920
nobody in my even my textboks know about me. But

705
00:35:38.679 --> 00:35:41.679
I am also blind in my right eye, are you really?

706
00:35:42.280 --> 00:35:42.519
Yeah?

707
00:35:42.559 --> 00:35:46.000
I was born that way and my doctor said that

708
00:35:46.199 --> 00:35:52.760
it's actually a lazy eye. But I cannot she detailed

709
00:35:52.840 --> 00:35:55.119
of any of you guys with my right eye at all.

710
00:35:57.320 --> 00:36:01.119
So you're a very unforational character. And I would have

711
00:36:01.159 --> 00:36:03.760
to say one of my favorite characters on Stranger Worlds.

712
00:36:04.440 --> 00:36:07.119
Oh thanks dude, thank you, Yeah, appreciate you.

713
00:36:08.559 --> 00:36:12.079
I did have a question about your character. You mentioned

714
00:36:12.119 --> 00:36:19.920
that you were in the big stadium of Green everywhere

715
00:36:20.239 --> 00:36:21.440
the wall, I guess you know.

716
00:36:21.440 --> 00:36:23.960
What they call it, the ar wall. Yeah?

717
00:36:24.079 --> 00:36:26.800
Yeah. Did it feel like you were actually like on

718
00:36:26.880 --> 00:36:28.000
a holidack.

719
00:36:29.000 --> 00:36:31.960
Exactly exactly like that? Yeah?

720
00:36:32.119 --> 00:36:35.280
Yeah, it really felt I mean, it was very disorienting.

721
00:36:35.320 --> 00:36:38.400
You felt like you could walk forever at times, and

722
00:36:38.719 --> 00:36:41.440
they would put you know, the functional pieces of the

723
00:36:41.440 --> 00:36:43.760
set that we needed, you know, in engineering we would

724
00:36:43.760 --> 00:36:46.079
have the consoles, which is a whole other thing. I

725
00:36:46.119 --> 00:36:48.519
mean for a track nerd like myself, to get to

726
00:36:48.559 --> 00:36:51.159
play with those little jelly beans was like that was

727
00:36:51.199 --> 00:36:52.840
a dream come true. And then getting to hold it

728
00:36:52.920 --> 00:36:55.400
like all the props and everything. But then you're standing

729
00:36:55.440 --> 00:36:58.639
in this in this room and it goes on forever.

730
00:36:59.199 --> 00:37:03.599
It's yeah, really disorienting. It's so magical, so magical. I

731
00:37:03.599 --> 00:37:07.599
mean the I've got a few photos kind of secreted

732
00:37:07.679 --> 00:37:09.679
on my hard drive that I snapped while we were

733
00:37:09.719 --> 00:37:12.840
on set, and I just can't believe the the detail

734
00:37:12.960 --> 00:37:15.840
that they put into those sets that never actually makes

735
00:37:15.840 --> 00:37:18.719
it to camera. You know, so much of the beauty

736
00:37:18.760 --> 00:37:20.840
of those shows. I mean, what they what they hold

737
00:37:20.840 --> 00:37:23.440
in the screen is are what I think, works of art.

738
00:37:23.800 --> 00:37:26.719
But outside of that, when you see the number of

739
00:37:26.840 --> 00:37:29.360
crew and the cables and everything, it's just, yeah, it's

740
00:37:29.360 --> 00:37:32.159
really spectacular, very easy to get lost in.

741
00:37:33.320 --> 00:37:41.199
Wow, that's got to be very yeah, exactly. So, I

742
00:37:41.239 --> 00:37:43.840
always wanted to know are you a very big D

743
00:37:43.880 --> 00:37:45.719
and D fan? Because you mentioned a lot about the

744
00:37:45.760 --> 00:37:48.039
goblins and everything, so I was just curious, have you

745
00:37:48.159 --> 00:37:50.119
gone and into any kind of D and D.

746
00:37:51.239 --> 00:37:53.840
I did yet during the pandemic.

747
00:37:53.920 --> 00:37:56.599
Actually, I went on my I started my first campaign

748
00:37:56.920 --> 00:38:02.920
and created high born elf wizard who I think I've

749
00:38:02.960 --> 00:38:05.760
made him now. I think it's level sticks or level

750
00:38:05.800 --> 00:38:09.320
seven now. And the campaign's been running since twenty twenty one,

751
00:38:09.400 --> 00:38:12.280
I think is when we started it, and it's folks

752
00:38:12.280 --> 00:38:16.199
from all over Canada. Actually that's the hardest part about

753
00:38:16.280 --> 00:38:18.400
D and D is just scheduling it because I'm on

754
00:38:18.480 --> 00:38:19.960
East coast and their west coast.

755
00:38:19.800 --> 00:38:20.239
And all that.

756
00:38:20.280 --> 00:38:23.079
But I was a riot. I've really been enjoying it.

757
00:38:23.119 --> 00:38:26.440
And when I was in Atlanta for Dragon can last year,

758
00:38:26.480 --> 00:38:28.760
I got to guest on the live improvised Dungeons and

759
00:38:28.840 --> 00:38:33.159
Dragons with my old Powmark mirror as our dungeon master.

760
00:38:33.280 --> 00:38:34.000
I was a riot.

761
00:38:35.280 --> 00:38:38.480
Yeah, I really really enjoy that role playing and when

762
00:38:38.480 --> 00:38:41.159
they're and certainly when you work with people who I mean,

763
00:38:41.199 --> 00:38:43.119
we were getting into filters and I was able to

764
00:38:43.159 --> 00:38:45.800
put a whole wizard beard on myself and the hat

765
00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:47.480
and know if I lifted up my hand the magic

766
00:38:47.519 --> 00:38:49.519
would come out, you know, all those beautiful things that

767
00:38:49.559 --> 00:38:50.039
you can do.

768
00:38:50.039 --> 00:38:53.760
Over zoom and fantastic filters.

769
00:38:54.679 --> 00:38:57.280
Yeah, I really enjoy it, and I'm just getting to

770
00:38:57.280 --> 00:38:59.400
play in the world of imagination. I mean, it seems

771
00:38:59.440 --> 00:39:04.480
I seem seem to really gravitate towards those fantastic realms.

772
00:39:05.639 --> 00:39:08.840
When we started to develop Goblin Macbeth, we did look

773
00:39:08.880 --> 00:39:12.920
into the dungeons and dragons, goblins and what Tolkien had

774
00:39:12.960 --> 00:39:15.119
come up with in that. I'm a big Tolkien fan

775
00:39:15.159 --> 00:39:18.079
as well, so kind of leaping into like the mythology

776
00:39:18.119 --> 00:39:22.239
of the Goblin world realms, whatever, whatever you might have.

777
00:39:22.800 --> 00:39:25.519
These are not Tolkien goblins when we do Goblin Macbeth.

778
00:39:25.559 --> 00:39:30.519
They're very anti Tolkien goblins.

779
00:39:28.800 --> 00:39:29.400
Kind of like.

780
00:39:31.239 --> 00:39:35.719
The lablent kind of goblins, I guess, yeah, more.

781
00:39:35.440 --> 00:39:41.119
More playful, more playful, and definitely irreverent. And yeah, they're

782
00:39:41.119 --> 00:39:44.119
they're quite confused by humanity. Humans don't make a lot

783
00:39:44.119 --> 00:39:46.320
of sense to them. Why why you would choose to

784
00:39:46.320 --> 00:39:47.960
stand up in front of a group of your peers

785
00:39:48.000 --> 00:39:50.079
and pretend to be someone else doesn't make any sense

786
00:39:50.119 --> 00:39:50.400
to them.

787
00:39:50.400 --> 00:39:54.440
But that's what theater is. They're going to try it nice.

788
00:39:54.559 --> 00:39:59.599
Nice. I thought I had another question, but I kind

789
00:39:59.599 --> 00:40:02.719
of like out of my head, but I believe Charles.

790
00:40:03.199 --> 00:40:06.480
But yeah, thanks for coming on. It was a pleasure

791
00:40:06.519 --> 00:40:09.320
of talking with you. And I believe Charles has another

792
00:40:09.400 --> 00:40:10.639
question that you want to ask you.

793
00:40:11.320 --> 00:40:14.199
Right, Yes, I just you just mentioned D and D

794
00:40:14.639 --> 00:40:19.039
and just give me a thought. What about the possibilities

795
00:40:19.039 --> 00:40:21.679
of coming to Star Trek Las Vegas.

796
00:40:23.360 --> 00:40:25.639
They do a big Star Trek convention.

797
00:40:25.920 --> 00:40:29.840
I'm together, you have not been there before, and there

798
00:40:29.840 --> 00:40:32.039
are fans dying.

799
00:40:31.679 --> 00:40:32.519
To see you there.

800
00:40:33.159 --> 00:40:35.840
And then I've done Vegas.

801
00:40:35.440 --> 00:40:41.840
On Sunday night all right, on Sunday night starting last year,

802
00:40:43.400 --> 00:40:48.320
it was I think it was Captain Shaw does a

803
00:40:48.480 --> 00:40:49.840
D and D session.

804
00:40:49.760 --> 00:40:50.880
Right after the end of the show.

805
00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:53.480
Before the concert, they had a full D and D

806
00:40:53.639 --> 00:40:57.360
session on table. I think they're always looking for people

807
00:40:57.440 --> 00:40:59.400
to Oh, it was a great one. It was a

808
00:40:59.400 --> 00:41:06.599
little cool. It's a little two part little session in there.

809
00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:08.559
But I think it'd be great if you could jump

810
00:41:08.599 --> 00:41:10.639
in and join them with that one. I think they're

811
00:41:10.679 --> 00:41:14.360
always probably looking for people to jump into the creation's

812
00:41:14.400 --> 00:41:16.639
Dean Star Trek D and D show.

813
00:41:18.159 --> 00:41:19.280
That'd be great. Yeah.

814
00:41:19.360 --> 00:41:21.480
Yeah, if I'm able to get down to Vegas again,

815
00:41:21.559 --> 00:41:24.719
I will certainly make the attempt this year. I'm I'm

816
00:41:24.760 --> 00:41:27.559
locked into this contract up in Shot, but I'm hoping

817
00:41:27.599 --> 00:41:30.000
to come down next year because I think it's the

818
00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:30.360
big one.

819
00:41:30.360 --> 00:41:31.960
Isn't it six to oh? Next year?

820
00:41:34.119 --> 00:41:36.039
Yeah? Might be six so coming up.

821
00:41:36.800 --> 00:41:42.239
Ye, yeah, yeah, I will do my best.

822
00:41:43.239 --> 00:41:45.000
I wanted to ask you if you could do me

823
00:41:45.039 --> 00:41:47.719
a favor and give a shout out to my friends

824
00:41:47.719 --> 00:41:51.159
at Otter Valley Union High School, Whitney and Devin. They're

825
00:41:51.599 --> 00:41:54.639
huge fans of Hammer and Strange New Worlds, and I

826
00:41:54.719 --> 00:41:56.119
was hoping you could say hello to them.

827
00:41:56.159 --> 00:41:59.960
Personally, I'd say a big hello to Otter Valley High School.

828
00:42:00.280 --> 00:42:00.960
Is that what you said?

829
00:42:01.280 --> 00:42:01.719
Yeah?

830
00:42:02.039 --> 00:42:03.280
Water Valley High School?

831
00:42:03.559 --> 00:42:06.480
Absolutely, a big shout out from Himmer and Live Long

832
00:42:06.559 --> 00:42:07.320
and prosper All.

833
00:42:08.119 --> 00:42:11.280
Thank you so much. Ask you which did we think

834
00:42:11.320 --> 00:42:13.920
about our theme song at the beginning of the show

835
00:42:14.239 --> 00:42:17.519
Did you like it? And which our theme song that

836
00:42:17.519 --> 00:42:19.159
we played at the beginning of the podcast?

837
00:42:20.679 --> 00:42:22.719
Did you see me dancing while I was playing? Its great?

838
00:42:22.760 --> 00:42:24.719
That's why I asked, Yeah.

839
00:42:24.400 --> 00:42:27.039
Yeah, it's great.

840
00:42:27.840 --> 00:42:30.000
We have some fun with that one. We want to

841
00:42:30.039 --> 00:42:34.199
have something different, something unique, and uh Billy Joel was

842
00:42:34.280 --> 00:42:38.480
kicking around and I wrote some lyrics and Eric recorded

843
00:42:38.519 --> 00:42:41.639
it who unfortunately he couldn't be with us for the podcast,

844
00:42:41.760 --> 00:42:44.960
but I noticed I did it.

845
00:42:45.039 --> 00:42:45.840
I did well done.

846
00:42:45.920 --> 00:42:49.639
Eric David put together the video for us as well.

847
00:42:49.679 --> 00:42:50.719
Brilliant, brilliant.

848
00:42:52.079 --> 00:42:56.360
How about also a shout out to Victoria, one of

849
00:42:56.400 --> 00:42:58.880
our other hosts who couldn't make it tonight, who says

850
00:42:58.960 --> 00:43:01.239
she loves it was the sound of your voice.

851
00:43:02.679 --> 00:43:05.840
Oh Victoria, thanks for that, big shout out to you,

852
00:43:05.880 --> 00:43:07.920
and sorry you couldn't be here today.

853
00:43:07.960 --> 00:43:09.920
Next time, next time.

854
00:43:10.199 --> 00:43:14.239
Absolutely. So did you keep anything from the set? Did

855
00:43:14.239 --> 00:43:17.960
you keep one of Hemmer's antennae or anything?

856
00:43:18.800 --> 00:43:21.239
Actually I did get a set of Hammer's antennae. Yeah,

857
00:43:21.280 --> 00:43:26.599
those are in my collection of memorabilia. But no, I honestly,

858
00:43:26.960 --> 00:43:30.519
I was so paranoid about getting busted walking off the

859
00:43:30.559 --> 00:43:33.920
set with something that I would double check every day

860
00:43:33.920 --> 00:43:35.679
and make sure that I wasn't walking out with anything.

861
00:43:35.679 --> 00:43:37.880
There was one of my last days where I had

862
00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:40.599
one of the one of the emblems in my hand

863
00:43:40.639 --> 00:43:41.880
and I was just like, no, if I do this,

864
00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:45.159
then I'll never come back. So I kept very carefully

865
00:43:45.199 --> 00:43:47.000
set it down on the table and let let the

866
00:43:47.000 --> 00:43:48.599
production people know where I'd left it.

867
00:43:48.880 --> 00:43:50.400
And honestly, like two days later.

868
00:43:50.239 --> 00:43:51.599
I got a phone call to come back and do

869
00:43:51.679 --> 00:43:53.920
two episodes in season two, and I'm like, that's karma.

870
00:43:54.119 --> 00:43:57.159
I'll just I'll follow that golden principle.

871
00:43:58.920 --> 00:44:02.159
And Bruce, how long did it take to become Hammer?

872
00:44:02.159 --> 00:44:03.480
How long were you in the chair?

873
00:44:04.320 --> 00:44:05.079
I was in the chair?

874
00:44:05.079 --> 00:44:08.000
Well, the first makeup test took about five and a

875
00:44:08.039 --> 00:44:10.599
half hours, and then they eventually got it down to

876
00:44:10.639 --> 00:44:13.280
about three and a half hours in the makeup chair.

877
00:44:14.159 --> 00:44:17.599
And that would start, you know, from four o'clock in

878
00:44:17.639 --> 00:44:20.559
the morning until until I was done seven thirty and

879
00:44:20.599 --> 00:44:22.599
then a little half hour break and then go for

880
00:44:23.000 --> 00:44:28.000
first rehearsal and a bit of breakfast. Yeah, they got really,

881
00:44:28.079 --> 00:44:29.719
I mean they were able to cut like almost two

882
00:44:29.760 --> 00:44:31.360
hours off of that the sitting.

883
00:44:31.519 --> 00:44:35.280
It was still. Yeah, it was a good chunk of time.

884
00:44:35.320 --> 00:44:37.960
But honestly, after having spent so much time in isolation

885
00:44:38.079 --> 00:44:40.400
during the pandemic, I was so happy just to have

886
00:44:40.480 --> 00:44:43.000
a couple of a couple of geeks like myself to

887
00:44:43.079 --> 00:44:45.639
nerd out with. And they're you know, both artists and

888
00:44:45.679 --> 00:44:49.000
painters and musicians, and yeah, we had a great time.

889
00:44:49.400 --> 00:44:50.679
And then at the end of the night it would

890
00:44:50.679 --> 00:44:52.960
take about an hour to get everything off and kind.

891
00:44:52.800 --> 00:44:54.800
Of cleaned up and go home.

892
00:44:54.880 --> 00:44:57.880
So they were long days, but I wouldn't trade them

893
00:44:57.920 --> 00:44:58.559
for the world.

894
00:44:59.840 --> 00:44:59.960
Long.

895
00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:02.360
How long did it take for you to become a Klingon?

896
00:45:02.840 --> 00:45:04.239
Was that? Obviously it was quicker.

897
00:45:04.599 --> 00:45:06.519
It was quicker. I think it was still about two

898
00:45:06.960 --> 00:45:08.559
two and a half hours into that king.

899
00:45:09.079 --> 00:45:12.119
Yeah, And I gotta say, I'm glad they did not

900
00:45:12.239 --> 00:45:17.159
go with the Klingon opera. And I'll tell you why,

901
00:45:17.199 --> 00:45:20.719
because I thought the K pop dancing Klingons waving their

902
00:45:20.760 --> 00:45:23.440
batlets around and singing about We're gonna slay, We're going

903
00:45:23.519 --> 00:45:28.440
to kill you. I thought that was just so I'm Klingon. Like,

904
00:45:28.559 --> 00:45:33.320
if they had done the opera, it wouldn't it. I

905
00:45:33.320 --> 00:45:35.280
think it would have lost a lot In translation, I'm

906
00:45:35.280 --> 00:45:37.880
glad they went with the K pop version. I'm with

907
00:45:38.000 --> 00:45:42.000
you for sure, absolutely, And I wanted to ask you

908
00:45:42.039 --> 00:45:46.800
one more question. They killed off Hemmer obviously sadly enough.

909
00:45:47.639 --> 00:45:50.920
But Hemmer was like the one representative, the one character

910
00:45:50.960 --> 00:45:54.840
that represented you know, diversity and and people with you know,

911
00:45:54.880 --> 00:45:59.639
with disabilities on the show, and they killed him. You know,

912
00:45:59.840 --> 00:46:02.360
how how did that? How did that? How did that feel?

913
00:46:02.360 --> 00:46:06.079
When they did that. I mean, Hemmer represented a lot,

914
00:46:06.360 --> 00:46:08.440
Like to David, a lot of people looked up the Hammer.

915
00:46:08.519 --> 00:46:11.239
He was, you know, an inspiration for a lot of people,

916
00:46:11.320 --> 00:46:14.400
and then they killed him. Yeah, it's just like they

917
00:46:14.400 --> 00:46:18.119
could have killed off I don't know, it's some random

918
00:46:18.159 --> 00:46:19.079
red shirt.

919
00:46:19.360 --> 00:46:21.079
Could have gotten rid of a random red shirt.

920
00:46:21.159 --> 00:46:23.519
I know. Yeah, bump off some random red shirt and

921
00:46:23.599 --> 00:46:25.519
keep around for God's sakes.

922
00:46:25.840 --> 00:46:28.079
Yeah, you know, it's a complicated.

923
00:46:28.119 --> 00:46:32.880
It's complicated feelings about that, you know, in the world

924
00:46:32.920 --> 00:46:38.599
of representation, ah, you know, and certainly in the disability

925
00:46:38.719 --> 00:46:41.800
arts community, we talk about you know, killing off, killing

926
00:46:41.840 --> 00:46:45.199
off the blind character, killing off the disabled character, and

927
00:46:45.079 --> 00:46:50.000
the sort of noble deaths and to some degree aggrandizing disability,

928
00:46:50.119 --> 00:46:52.320
as though someone with a disability is always going to

929
00:46:52.360 --> 00:46:55.000
be a saint or whatever, and you get into these stereotypes.

930
00:46:55.360 --> 00:46:59.000
I feel like Hammer got a couple of episodes in

931
00:46:59.039 --> 00:47:02.599
the season that broke down those notions of stereotype, got

932
00:47:02.639 --> 00:47:05.039
a little bit deeper into who this character was, that

933
00:47:05.199 --> 00:47:11.679
you know, he was a pacifist, that he was really competent,

934
00:47:11.800 --> 00:47:14.599
capable engineer who you know, had a bit of an

935
00:47:14.679 --> 00:47:16.599
ego on himself, you know, he had his own flaws

936
00:47:16.639 --> 00:47:18.119
and all that he was. He was a little bit

937
00:47:18.119 --> 00:47:20.400
more of a complicated character, and in that respect, I

938
00:47:20.400 --> 00:47:24.760
feel like it went deeper, but that he had to

939
00:47:24.840 --> 00:47:28.440
die off it was. It's complicated because I can see

940
00:47:28.440 --> 00:47:31.400
from the storytelling point of view, you want to have

941
00:47:31.440 --> 00:47:34.760
your obi wan right, like someone's gotta someone's got to

942
00:47:34.800 --> 00:47:36.719
take it from Darth Vader so that Luke can get

943
00:47:36.719 --> 00:47:38.679
away and do the do the thing at the Death Star.

944
00:47:39.239 --> 00:47:42.920
But you know who the who that character is.

945
00:47:42.920 --> 00:47:44.920
Going to be, and what kind of example they're going

946
00:47:44.960 --> 00:47:47.480
to give in their sacrifice also has to be considered.

947
00:47:47.519 --> 00:47:50.199
I feel pretty pretty honored that I got to provide

948
00:47:50.239 --> 00:47:53.840
that example. And it's not only an example in the

949
00:47:53.840 --> 00:47:57.480
canon for Uhura, but it's also becomes an example for Spock.

950
00:47:58.159 --> 00:48:02.320
What he does in Star Trek too, is you know,

951
00:48:02.400 --> 00:48:05.199
sacrificing himself and he gives the old livelong and prosper

952
00:48:05.280 --> 00:48:08.239
and all that. And he obviously ripped that off from Hammer.

953
00:48:08.280 --> 00:48:09.960
I mean, if we look at the timeline, it's just

954
00:48:10.480 --> 00:48:15.480
cutting dry. So really, Hammer lists it's bad and that's true.

955
00:48:16.679 --> 00:48:20.440
So, Bruce, what's my favorite episode of season one to film?

956
00:48:20.559 --> 00:48:22.039
I'm thinking about the one where you got to be

957
00:48:22.079 --> 00:48:23.000
a wizard maybe.

958
00:48:23.159 --> 00:48:26.280
Yeah, yeah, that was that was so much fun.

959
00:48:27.559 --> 00:48:31.159
They all had their They all had their moments for sure, like.

960
00:48:32.840 --> 00:48:37.480
The episode where Una ends up like knocking Hammer out

961
00:48:37.519 --> 00:48:39.400
and then carrying him down the hallway. They had like

962
00:48:39.679 --> 00:48:41.840
a dummy of me made, and so I've got some

963
00:48:41.840 --> 00:48:43.800
photos of me lying next to my Hammer dummy and

964
00:48:43.800 --> 00:48:48.159
they're almost identical. That was a lot of fun jumping

965
00:48:48.199 --> 00:48:50.480
off the back of the ship, which ended up getting

966
00:48:50.960 --> 00:48:52.840
ended up on the cutting room floor, but they got

967
00:48:52.840 --> 00:48:54.880
to They put me in a whole safety harness and

968
00:48:54.920 --> 00:48:56.840
flew me up into the like two and a half

969
00:48:56.880 --> 00:48:58.960
stories into the air and shot that so you'd see

970
00:48:59.000 --> 00:49:01.639
Hammer falling back. Got a day on stunts for that.

971
00:49:01.639 --> 00:49:05.239
That was a riot to shoot that. Yeah, I mean

972
00:49:05.239 --> 00:49:07.519
there gosh, there were just so many great days on

973
00:49:07.559 --> 00:49:10.719
that set that it's hard to it's hard to pick

974
00:49:10.760 --> 00:49:14.000
them apart. I'd say that you know, the lost in

975
00:49:14.039 --> 00:49:18.039
translation his or not lost in translation, all those who

976
00:49:18.079 --> 00:49:19.840
wandered were Hammer makes a sacrifice.

977
00:49:19.880 --> 00:49:22.000
I mean, there were a lot of really really.

978
00:49:21.719 --> 00:49:29.400
Cool days on that, like the playing with the Gorn

979
00:49:29.440 --> 00:49:31.519
and seeing the puppets and what they were actually building

980
00:49:31.559 --> 00:49:34.360
in camera with that was it was incredible little pieces

981
00:49:34.360 --> 00:49:36.400
of magic that were happening, and sometimes it was the

982
00:49:36.440 --> 00:49:37.599
simplest solution.

983
00:49:37.840 --> 00:49:38.679
That would come through.

984
00:49:38.760 --> 00:49:41.920
And yeah, I feel like, you know, I kind of

985
00:49:41.920 --> 00:49:44.840
got to be in an Aliens film, even though it

986
00:49:44.880 --> 00:49:45.519
was Star Trek.

987
00:49:46.599 --> 00:49:49.480
Yeah, there's a great picture floating around the Internet of

988
00:49:49.480 --> 00:49:52.360
a baby Gorn sitting on your shoulder. Yeah, one of

989
00:49:52.360 --> 00:49:53.840
the puppets, the.

990
00:49:54.000 --> 00:49:55.559
Little rubber guy. Yeah.

991
00:49:55.639 --> 00:49:58.400
Yeah, that's kicking around all over the place. I see that.

992
00:49:58.519 --> 00:49:59.199
That was great.

993
00:49:59.239 --> 00:50:03.880
That was so let's ask the set is who's the funniest,

994
00:50:03.920 --> 00:50:09.239
who's the biggest prankster like ants in who comes on

995
00:50:09.320 --> 00:50:10.519
the set and makes you laugh?

996
00:50:11.119 --> 00:50:15.039
Anson Now for sure, Well it was, you know, it's

997
00:50:15.079 --> 00:50:17.440
funny like because we were in the midst of the

998
00:50:17.840 --> 00:50:20.800
COVID lockdowns. There was really not a lot of socializing

999
00:50:21.599 --> 00:50:24.360
during the shooting of that the first season, especially like

1000
00:50:24.559 --> 00:50:28.280
you know, people were getting their COVID vaccines and some

1001
00:50:28.440 --> 00:50:30.159
folks that weren't able to go home, Like there was

1002
00:50:30.199 --> 00:50:32.800
just all that behind the scenes drama, and you know,

1003
00:50:32.840 --> 00:50:34.840
we were getting tested the day before and then the

1004
00:50:34.920 --> 00:50:38.679
day of and kind of isolated in our trailers. I

1005
00:50:38.719 --> 00:50:40.400
felt really lucky because I got to hang out in

1006
00:50:40.440 --> 00:50:42.360
the prosthetics trailer for three and a half hours and

1007
00:50:42.400 --> 00:50:45.159
actually talk to other people, the other actors, you know,

1008
00:50:45.199 --> 00:50:47.840
when they weren't on set or in holding waiting to

1009
00:50:47.840 --> 00:50:51.079
go on set, just in their trailers, you know, zooming

1010
00:50:51.079 --> 00:50:53.440
with family and friends or whatever. So there wasn't there

1011
00:50:53.480 --> 00:50:56.000
wasn't that that much of the camaraderie that first day

1012
00:50:56.039 --> 00:50:58.599
that that I got to go onto the bridge and

1013
00:50:58.760 --> 00:51:02.280
meet everyone, and Anson came over and like hand or

1014
00:51:02.400 --> 00:51:03.880
fist pumps is I think it was what we were

1015
00:51:03.880 --> 00:51:07.239
doing at the time, fist pounding and like welcome and

1016
00:51:07.239 --> 00:51:09.320
and just very generous.

1017
00:51:08.880 --> 00:51:09.920
And he would do this thing.

1018
00:51:10.039 --> 00:51:12.599
It happened a few times where after the lunch break

1019
00:51:12.599 --> 00:51:15.519
where everyone kind of comes back a little bit sluggish,

1020
00:51:15.599 --> 00:51:17.480
you know, getting set up for the next shot, and

1021
00:51:17.719 --> 00:51:19.840
you would hear him would be kind of near the set,

1022
00:51:19.880 --> 00:51:22.239
and you'd hear him enter the studio building like half

1023
00:51:22.280 --> 00:51:24.760
a block away, and he had a bluetooth speaker and

1024
00:51:24.760 --> 00:51:26.960
he just had like Van Halen or some rock and

1025
00:51:27.039 --> 00:51:29.559
roll just cranked up, and you'd hear it getting louder

1026
00:51:29.599 --> 00:51:32.039
as he was getting closer to the to the green

1027
00:51:32.079 --> 00:51:34.360
room where everyone's sitting around and it's just like suddenly

1028
00:51:34.400 --> 00:51:37.360
this burst of energy that would rock at you right

1029
00:51:37.400 --> 00:51:37.920
to the end.

1030
00:51:37.800 --> 00:51:38.239
Of the day.

1031
00:51:38.400 --> 00:51:41.159
Because I mean, he has so much experience on those

1032
00:51:41.159 --> 00:51:44.039
long shoots and the series shoots and where things are

1033
00:51:44.079 --> 00:51:46.599
going to start to drip dip down, and where people's

1034
00:51:46.679 --> 00:51:48.960
energies are gonna get a little bit fraught. He just

1035
00:51:49.039 --> 00:51:51.440
was able to anticipate that stuff. He had so much

1036
00:51:51.480 --> 00:51:54.320
experience in that way and how to and how to

1037
00:51:55.119 --> 00:51:58.480
model the kind of energy and dry that it's going

1038
00:51:58.519 --> 00:52:05.159
to take to make well essentially ten movies. The effects

1039
00:52:05.239 --> 00:52:08.119
and the build up into getting an episode of Strange

1040
00:52:08.119 --> 00:52:09.960
New World shot. I mean, it really is like they're

1041
00:52:10.000 --> 00:52:13.840
they're shooting a movie in twelve days. It's it's incredible,

1042
00:52:13.840 --> 00:52:17.360
And yeah, he really brought that. It was quite an inspiration.

1043
00:52:18.239 --> 00:52:18.679
Star Trek.

1044
00:52:18.760 --> 00:52:21.800
Strange New Worlds was my first time really in front

1045
00:52:21.840 --> 00:52:24.320
of a camera, and I just watched everyone and how

1046
00:52:24.360 --> 00:52:26.559
they were, how they were doing it, what they were doing,

1047
00:52:26.599 --> 00:52:29.119
how they were preparing, and tried to model that as

1048
00:52:29.159 --> 00:52:31.559
best they could. And really it was I couldn't have

1049
00:52:31.599 --> 00:52:34.000
asked for a better group of teachers to be amongst

1050
00:52:34.079 --> 00:52:38.880
and off camera, incredibly generous. I was gonna say jealous,

1051
00:52:38.880 --> 00:52:44.239
incredibly generous and yeah, I mean not a not a

1052
00:52:45.280 --> 00:52:47.760
piece out of place. I was so, I was really

1053
00:52:47.800 --> 00:52:54.920
really inspired. I would particularly enjoy watching Bab's work plays

1054
00:52:54.920 --> 00:53:02.599
doctor em Benga. He he's so versatile, and the difference

1055
00:53:02.639 --> 00:53:04.320
is that he would do between takes.

1056
00:53:04.920 --> 00:53:05.800
I was wow.

1057
00:53:05.920 --> 00:53:09.400
Like, in theater, we constantly rehearse so that we can

1058
00:53:09.480 --> 00:53:13.039
repeat the show night after night. You spend your three

1059
00:53:13.079 --> 00:53:14.760
and a half weeks or however long you get in

1060
00:53:14.800 --> 00:53:17.599
rehearsal working on it so that when the curtain goes up,

1061
00:53:17.679 --> 00:53:19.360
and by the time the curtain goes up and the

1062
00:53:19.400 --> 00:53:21.239
curtain comes down, you've got the show and it's kind

1063
00:53:21.239 --> 00:53:23.559
of locked in, Whereas with film and TV, it's like, Okay,

1064
00:53:23.559 --> 00:53:26.119
you do it that way, try something else, try something else,

1065
00:53:26.159 --> 00:53:26.960
try something else.

1066
00:53:27.000 --> 00:53:28.639
Give the editors as much to.

1067
00:53:28.599 --> 00:53:30.760
Play with, so they've got options, they've got options, they've

1068
00:53:30.800 --> 00:53:34.400
got options, and watching just every single take that would

1069
00:53:34.400 --> 00:53:36.360
go okay, I'll give something like this, how about something

1070
00:53:36.360 --> 00:53:38.880
like this, something like this? And I found that really

1071
00:53:38.880 --> 00:53:41.679
inspiring because my background and improvisation, I'm like, great, let's

1072
00:53:41.679 --> 00:53:43.320
play it this way. Okay, we're gonna try it this way.

1073
00:53:43.519 --> 00:53:45.679
You don't have to just lock into a delivery or

1074
00:53:45.719 --> 00:53:47.840
lock into your idea. It's like, not roll with it,

1075
00:53:48.159 --> 00:53:52.119
And it seems more like a collaborative vibe in front

1076
00:53:52.119 --> 00:53:54.679
of the camera than I was anticipating. Because again it's

1077
00:53:54.760 --> 00:53:56.320
on film. You think, oh, that's it and that's how

1078
00:53:56.360 --> 00:53:59.559
it's gonna be. But you know in the can there

1079
00:53:59.639 --> 00:54:02.280
are four or five other takes that are totally different

1080
00:54:02.320 --> 00:54:04.800
and would tell the same story but in a slightly

1081
00:54:04.840 --> 00:54:05.320
different way.

1082
00:54:06.239 --> 00:54:08.159
Yeah, it was quite a learning curve.

1083
00:54:08.960 --> 00:54:11.199
I just want to swing back to the dancing singing

1084
00:54:11.239 --> 00:54:16.320
Klingons just just one more time, because Charles was right.

1085
00:54:16.440 --> 00:54:19.320
I wasn't really keen on Star Trek Musical, and it

1086
00:54:19.320 --> 00:54:22.119
turned out to be my favorite episode. It was brilliant,

1087
00:54:22.559 --> 00:54:27.480
con absolutely brilliant, the dancing singing Klingons at the end.

1088
00:54:28.000 --> 00:54:34.320
So did you improv any of that? I mean, how

1089
00:54:34.320 --> 00:54:37.599
did that come about? Did they tell you what? Can

1090
00:54:37.639 --> 00:54:39.079
you go through that whole process?

1091
00:54:40.239 --> 00:54:46.239
Well, there was no improvisation in the lines. However, my

1092
00:54:46.360 --> 00:54:48.920
choreography was just made up. So everything that I'm doing

1093
00:54:49.039 --> 00:54:51.800
is basically me going with whatever I wanted to do.

1094
00:54:51.960 --> 00:54:54.920
The guys behind me, the Klingon dancers, they were really

1095
00:54:54.960 --> 00:54:58.960
tightly choreographed, incredible dancers actually, but yeah, pretty much. They

1096
00:54:59.360 --> 00:55:01.400
just gave me free reign, so go for it, do

1097
00:55:01.440 --> 00:55:05.000
whatever you like. So yeah, that's just me just shaking

1098
00:55:05.000 --> 00:55:07.559
my plan on Booty as you do.

1099
00:55:08.199 --> 00:55:13.920
It was absolutely brilliant, my friend, absolutely brilliant. And with that,

1100
00:55:14.119 --> 00:55:16.960
I think it's time to say goodbye on un Les

1101
00:55:17.000 --> 00:55:20.719
Paul or David or Charles has anything they'd like to.

1102
00:55:20.679 --> 00:55:22.079
Add anything else?

1103
00:55:22.679 --> 00:55:26.320
Okay, So Bruce, what are you working on anything currently

1104
00:55:26.320 --> 00:55:28.039
that you'd like to let everybody know about.

1105
00:55:28.639 --> 00:55:33.800
Well, it's the Shaw Festival until October, and I'm yeah,

1106
00:55:33.880 --> 00:55:37.400
building building up the Indiegogo campaign for the documentary of

1107
00:55:37.440 --> 00:55:41.360
Boldly Going, and I continue to have a Patreon account,

1108
00:55:41.440 --> 00:55:44.679
so every month I do a monthly update called the

1109
00:55:44.679 --> 00:55:47.599
Hobo Sapien Chronicle, where I chronicle my journey is a

1110
00:55:47.679 --> 00:55:51.440
visually impaired visual artist on the road. And that's just

1111
00:55:51.480 --> 00:55:54.199
a free newsletter that I send out. But for my

1112
00:55:54.239 --> 00:55:57.360
Patreon subscribers, they get weekly updates and behind the.

1113
00:55:57.320 --> 00:56:00.360
Scenes looks, and then the top tier I.

1114
00:56:00.280 --> 00:56:05.559
Actually do handmade individual Patreon cards, so there's little works

1115
00:56:05.559 --> 00:56:07.960
of art that get mailed directly to your home and

1116
00:56:08.000 --> 00:56:10.280
you can find me at patreon dot com.

1117
00:56:10.039 --> 00:56:10.960
Slash Bruce Sorak.

1118
00:56:11.920 --> 00:56:14.119
And even if you were coming back on one of

1119
00:56:14.159 --> 00:56:17.280
these new Star Trek shows, you couldn't tell us anyways

1120
00:56:17.320 --> 00:56:21.199
because of NDA. So we can hope, we can hope

1121
00:56:21.679 --> 00:56:26.679
that writing or maybe we'll see Hammer show up on

1122
00:56:27.920 --> 00:56:31.480
Starfleet Academy. It is a hologrammer, so you never know,

1123
00:56:31.840 --> 00:56:38.920
you never never never know, they do they do indeed. Well, Bruce,

1124
00:56:38.960 --> 00:56:40.920
I want to say thank you so so much for

1125
00:56:41.000 --> 00:56:43.239
taking time out of your busy schedule to talk with us.

1126
00:56:43.280 --> 00:56:44.440
We really appreciate it.

1127
00:56:44.880 --> 00:56:46.679
Oh, thank you so much. Nice to meet y'all.

1128
00:56:47.199 --> 00:56:50.840
Thank you very much, thank you phenomenal, phenomenal getting a

1129
00:56:50.920 --> 00:56:52.360
chance to talk man, Thank you so.

1130
00:56:52.400 --> 00:56:56.280
Much, livelong and prosper Yeah you too, you too, thank you?

1131
00:56:56.519 --> 00:56:58.320
All right, cheers, all right.

1132
00:56:58.400 --> 00:57:01.239
That was Bruce Horrick Hemmer from Star Trek's Strange New

1133
00:57:01.280 --> 00:57:03.800
Worlds and Season one. Please, if you haven't seen it,

1134
00:57:03.840 --> 00:57:06.480
go and check it out. Make sure you watch Subspace

1135
00:57:06.559 --> 00:57:08.360
rhaps and you see how he dances and sings as

1136
00:57:08.360 --> 00:57:09.719
a ling on. I hope you love it as much

1137
00:57:09.760 --> 00:57:13.599
as I did. And there he is booging right now.

1138
00:57:14.000 --> 00:57:14.599
You got it.

1139
00:57:16.400 --> 00:57:20.559
Thanks alas, bye, bye. All right, guys, So we're going

1140
00:57:20.599 --> 00:57:22.320
to see you guys on Thursday night. We're going to

1141
00:57:22.400 --> 00:57:26.599
be talking about what are we talking about again, David Thursday.

1142
00:57:26.960 --> 00:57:31.159
Oh yeah, we're gonna be doing Black Mirror and yep,

1143
00:57:31.280 --> 00:57:34.400
Callister into Infinity, So check that out. Thursday night, same

1144
00:57:34.480 --> 00:57:39.280
bat time, same bat channel, and David run the clip.

1145
00:57:42.400 --> 00:57:49.920
All sessions ready for departure, Sir, some problem Rica. I'm

1146
00:57:50.000 --> 00:57:52.079
just hoping this isn't the usual way of missions will

1147
00:57:52.079 --> 00:57:52.440
builds it?

1148
00:57:53.119 --> 00:57:53.320
Oh?

1149
00:57:53.360 --> 00:57:56.480
No, number one, I'm sure it most will be much

1150
00:57:56.480 --> 00:57:57.119
more interesting.

1151
00:57:59.519 --> 00:58:02.400
M Then she what's up there?

1152
00:58:04.800 --> 00:58:05.280
Agage