Episode 679 Starfleet Academy "Rubincon" review

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1:28 Well, good evening Trekkers and trekkers around the globe. It's Thursday, March twenty six, twenty twenty six. Welcome to episode six hundred and seventy nine of Track, Talking and Beyond. I'm your most excellent host, Uncle Jim, And before we get too far, I'd like to go around the room and introduce my awesome trek experts. And we're gonna start off with the Portland Wing and we're gonna say hello to David. How you doing tonight, David. I'm pretty sleepy. Sorry for the slunched out there, but I just have a lazy David climb in my pjs. So that's okay. Back in the day when we were strictly on block talk radio, nobody would have known that if you didn't tell them, But.

2:10 Now they can see. Yeah, take my lawn gun. And also from Portland, we have a very own toy guy, Paul. And how you doing tonight, Paul. I'm not hearing Paul. You're muted, buddy, Sorry about that. I was just so so taking aback by David's sleepwear admission that I was paralyzed and unable to move my hand to the mute button. I said, I said, I'm I'm doing well. I'm doing well. This should be interesting week, to be sure, lots to talk about.

2:50 I did see that there's going to be a special panel coming up from the Cell, so maybe soon we will have an unboxing of some new Star Trek toys. Homeboy likes to reveal stuff, and when he's a COT, I mean basically, he doesn't show up unless he's got new stuff to show people. Those stuff thoesn't really arrive yet, but I'm sure it will soon. But yeah, they should be interesting. I'm sure at some point by Sunday morning thereabouts we'll have some good reveals from Brian Bowg twice, so that'd be cool. I love to get him on the podcast. But he's right. I know, he's like a SaaS squatch. You know, by the time I see him, he's gone. So I'm still tracking him down though, I'm still tracking him down. And normally from Portland, except for tonight, we have a very own air. Eric, how are you doing tonight?

3:42 Eric? Doing pretty good, Jim, I'm actually in your time zone right now. He had broadcasting live from Indiana, Pennsylvania, which turns out as a real place. And that's why I look a little weird. I don't have my fancy green screen. I've got a hotel light that I took the shade off of so I didn't turn yellow. But now I'm pasty. I don't even know anyway I made it. I made it to the show. That's what's important. That's that's the important stuff. And not from Portland, by the way, but from Virginia. We have a very own v Yeah. Gee, I wonder it just showed up in the mail one day. You know, now you're officially part of the game. I know, I just need to paint my little avatar on there somehow. Yeah, before I know it's okay, it's it's fine. It's an honor just to have it, and I'm I'm glad to be back. At some point in time, I'll talk a little bit about my trip to Galaxy Con Richmond last weekend, where I met some Star Trek people, so that was.

4:44 Cool, and the pictures looked awesome. By the way, yep they were. They're awesome. People just got the con crud. Apparently that's the thing, because Saturday it was wall to wall people. I came home Saturday afternoon because I'd been there since Thursday and I was wiped out, and Sunday I started to feel unwell. But I'm here. I sound worse than I feel, so it's all good. Glad to be back. That we're glad to have you back that way, and also not from Portland, but from Las Vegas. We have our very own child. How are you doing to night, Charls. I'm doing all right. Hopefully the birds aren't bothering anybody.

5:27 It's cool down a little bit. It's a ninety two today compared to yesterday's ninety eight. Yikes, And I got to take my friends. My friend's comment that she loves about a NASCAR driver to David. Hey, David, nice PJS to Denny Hamlin joke when they're back back in COVID. Denny was in his uniform going to Pizza Hut and some kid looked at hum like, oh, Danny nice PJS. Oof burn m So she loves that joke. They are nice TJ. They are nice PJ. As I said, I mean most host uncle Jim. And I am not in Virginia. I'm not in Las Vegas and I'm not in Portland. I'm way up in the sticks of Vermont.

6:20 So that's awesome. Before we get too far, we got a lot of pokers to fire. One of them is we are going to have with us the very the President of Navarre for those of you who don't know. That's the new Vulcan slash Romulan homeworld from a Star Trek Discovery, A very own Tara Rosalind And I think David, I think has a picture that I sent him to just for you those of you who don't remember her. Did you get that, David? Okay, can you put it on the screen. Do we have to wait for it? We know, guys, right now, we are like a Swiss watch if Switzerland was in the middle of Lake Jersey know it to you guys.

7:07 He doesn't want to. I'm sorry, Dave, I can't do. All right, it is We're a Swiss, a Swiss watch, but it's from Timu. Yeah, well, well. I sent them. She's gonna be with us on April twenty seven, and she's. Looking at her contract right now, going what have I done. To get out of this show? I mean really, I think I made a terrible mistake. But so. She's married to Saru and she's a Vulcan and she's done some other stuff.

7:51 And here we are and there we are and here we go and all right, so all right we can move on now. Maybe wow, there we go. Better late than never. That's terror Rozland. And she is going to be here on the twenty seven, so that's going to be a lot of fun. And on the sixteenth we're going to be talking to her husband, Doug Jones, mister Saru. So we've got a lot planned for you guys coming up in the next month, So please stay tuned if you're enjoying the podcast. Even with all of our little issues that happen from time to time, I know a lot of you aren't seeing this video Right now, you're listening to the audio, but if you'd like to see the video, you can head over to our Facebook page, Trek Talking and Beyond and you can become a subscriber for ninety nine cents and then you can watch these awesome videos that we're talking about that don't show up what we want them to and you can laugh right along with us.

8:55 So head over to our Facebook page, Tek Talking and Beyond become a subscriber. We'd love to have you on tonight's show. We're gonna be talking about the episode ten, the season one finale at Starfleet Academy the Ruben Cohn, so we're going to be tackling that a little bit later. We also have our fans shout outs, and that's where we say thank you to fans just like you for supporting our podcast around the globe. We have our Cadet review with sub Commander Charles. We have our fan reactions and fans scores from the episode. We also have our sci Fi Birthday so you can find out what sci fi actor you share a birthday with and what's going on around the Star Trek University. We have some sad news and some good news, and we're going to get to all of it a little bit later, but before we go too far, let's dive into our fan shout outs and we'll let Eric get us started. So Eric, take us away with our fan shoutouts, Buddy.

9:55 Yeah. Our first fan shout out this week goes out to Chantal van Bruegel from the Netherlands. Thanks for saying hi to us, Chantal. We really appreciate your support and I cannot wait to visit your country. I know I always say this when the Netherlands come up, but only place on the planet where fifty percent of the land is below sea level, so they are masters of floating architecture and I just can't wait to go check that out because it ties right in to my grad school thesis from like twenty years ago. Thanks Chantal. Also saying hello this week to James Fairbairn, who's hailing from Ayrshire in Scotland in the UK. Thanks James for saying hello to us this week. Spinning back over to Germany, we're saying hello this week to Silka Doque, who hails from Solongen In in that beautiful, that beautiful area of the North Rhine.

10:47 The Vestphalia right along the Rhine River there, So Silke, thank you so much for saying hello to us. And last but not least on my list, I'd like to say hello to Matt Webster, who hails from Pagington, England. Who would you like to say hello to you? I like to say hello to Chris Claire, who is sending a couple of emojis here from Nova Scotia, Canada, our wonderful neighbor to the north. And it looks like two poofy clouds, the Vulcan Livelong and prosper hand sign and the lovely Canadian flag. So hello and thank you to Chris. Next, ooh, a familiar name, Jim Kirk from Indiana, USA.

11:32 I wonder if he just lives in Indie that talk talk get the lips to work. Does he just work in space but he lives in Indiana. I don't know anyway, Hello to Jim. Next Sean McGill, who is saying hello to us from Orlando, Florida. And last but not least, Elaine Diana Kilgore, who is saying hello to us from man West, Virginia. So thank you to all of you. You all right, Charles, you are next. Well, thank you. The Let's start it with somebody who's probably hanging near Eric. Maybe we'll let him know where Eric is, because we're gonna welcoming Frank Garcia from Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. He's not far from Eric. Or Jonathan James, who is over in Baltimore, Maryland, not far from Eric right now. How about Razor Blade, Royster the Third from North Carolina. Interesting name, Razor Blade. Everybody over there on the East coast and join the cooler weather, and welcome to Clenda Taylor from Wyoming, Paul, who's on your part.

12:51 Of the globe. Thank you, Charles, like I needed that very much. Well, let's take a little hiatus from these not quite so United States and go over and visit the European continent for a bit and neighbors adjacent. First of all, we'll go over to Dusseldorf, Germany, where Lara Schneider is flippin' us the Vulcan big one there from Dusseldorf. Great to hear from you, Laura, and I know that there's we actually have a large number of Star Trek fans representing the German contingent which is lovely to see, so always great to hear from ULARA jump the continents briefly adding to the other part of the equator. We'll go down to Zimbabwe, South Africa, where Stephen James Frost is.

13:39 Saying hello to us. See you got Star Trek fans everywhere. If you're able to just communicate with them, be straight with them, talk to them. They're everywhere. They're eager for content, aren't they going back to Europe because there is absolutely no organizational process or order to us at all. We're just spinning the globe random. We're going to go back to Laurent, France, where Gwen and b is saying hello to us. Lovely to hear from you, Gwen. France has been on my mind a lot this year, quite a bit, so great to hear from you there in Laurent. And then just down the road in Belgium in Mere hoot Rafe Verdant is saying hello to us. Hello, rathe great to.

14:19 Hear from you, and it's just wonderful to know that you share our collective enthusiasm, brawlings Star Trek related and our humble podcast. Let's take the ever undulating longitude and latitude lines and throw them to Uncle Jim and see what he makes of them. Uncle Jim, would you like me to Tonight's part of Uncle Jim will be played by me. He's muted. No, I like to say the Klaigons for myself. Hold on a minute, Wait a minute. Movie Star Trek five. Does anyone else know what has gone got me this?

15:00 Yes? What does God need with us? I need to tell you a story about. That here on the coast with Eric. So that's cool, and I'm going to bring it back on here to the East coast for a little bit. Anyways, I want to say hello and thank you to Robin brown Holt, who's listening to us in the Great State of Massachusetts. I also want to say hello and thank you to Mary L. Kons, who's listening to us in Philadelphia, PA, but was originally from Vermont, right where I'm hanging out right now. Thank you, Mary. We also want to say hello and thank you to John Hayes who's in Washington State. And last, but definitely not least, we want to say thank you to James Paulmery, who's listening to us right now in the Great State elf laud Uh and that my friends are our fan shout outs for this week's podcast.

15:51 Please head on over to our Truck Talking and Beyond facebook page. You will see a livelong and prosper post at the top of the page. Tell us where you're from, leave some dancing emojis. It gets my attention. If you see a heart next to your name from yours truly, you will be featured in a future fan shout out. And now it's time to start our cadet training and for that we're gonna turn the microphone over to Charles. Take it away, Charles, Thank you. Uncle Jim. Didn't think I was gonna find much on this one, but found quite a few interesting links and interesting connections in here. We talked about minds, and there's a quite a few minds in Star Trek, but a couple of them that caught my tension were Enterprise Minefield season two, episode three and DS nine The Siege of Ar five five eight Season seven, episode eight, just a couple of references to the minds we had floating around owned the Alpha quadrant. Of course, when somebody decided to put Earth on trial, Gee reminded me of another trial TNG's encountered far point season one and two, and of course TNG's All Good Fee, All Good Things season seven

17:24 episode twenty five and twenty six. Of course, because Q was going to put us on trial for the Federation Voyger Futures in part one, season three, episode eight. This is where the doctor acquired his twenty ninth century mobile emitter that he used to take himself off of the six off of Sick Bay, and he actually removed that emitter to put himself in the computer in this episode and for Paul that I missed last week Voyager the Omega Directive season four, episode twenty one, where we got the Omega particle which is connected to the Omega forty seven.

18:15 Interesting on this episode titled Rubicon is not the only Curtric episode titled Rubicon. Discovery Rubicon EPI season four, episode nine, focus of the metaphor where characters commit to irreversible action. The phrase implies an irrevolable decision. I'll get at least Eric on this one, maybe a couple of people. I will talk about this in my review Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. There's a reference to that book and at the ending caught my attention for card it to Arcadie or Go Part two, Season one, episode ten, The Fleet comes to the Rescue. So that's someke it at reviews.

19:10 But I bet Paul's over their itching to talk about this episode. Thank you, Charles. I appreciate that setup done so adroitly. So this is the part of the show, folks, wh we do a little summary of the episode that we're about to talk about, just to kind of catch everybody up, because sometimes it's a week or so since we've seen the episode, because we tend to do them a little late. So just we are talking here about we've come to it at last. This is the season one finale of Starfleet Academy, episode number ten, and a brief correction, this episode is not called Rubicon. This episode is called Rubin Khan. It is a play of words on rubin kh a rubicon because there is an N in the title rubinkod. It is rubicon itself. A part from the title. Is a literary idiot that refers to take an irrevocable life altering step, origination from Julius Caesar's decision to cross the Rubicon River with his army in forty nine PC. That act broke Roman law and it made a point of no return that guaranteed there would be civil war and eventually led to the foundations of the Roman Empire. Oh, education never hurt anybody, but I just like to make sure we're accurate if nothing else. So in the season finale, the narrative of the entire season concludes with high stakes tension as the Cadets faced their ultimate test to save the Federation, solidifying the Cadets into a cohesive crew. Episode centers on this confrontation between Holly Hunter's Chancellor Nala Ake and Paul

20:42 Giamatti's villainous Noose Braca, and as Charles intimated, Bracca stages a mock show trial of the Federation, accusing it of complacency in abandoning vulnerable worlds in the aftermath of the burn. So there's this Omega threat right talked about again. Noose Braka deploys a wall, if you will, of surrounding Omega forty seven mines around Federation space, which of course will destroy subspace if detonated. These mines act as a space mote of a kind and would essentially isolate the Federation forever and potentially destroying nearby star systems if these mines were to detonate. The trial takes place in the enterprise nodded name the Sasho Atrium on board the USS Athena, and it is a strategic choice by noose Braka because he captures that part of the ship and he basically desecrates the atrium to host his show trial. He wants to stage the event on what he refers to as a gaudy treasure of the pompous Federation, and he wants to publicly humiliate Starfleet while broadcasting the proceedings live like a twenty jo almost to his potential allies across the gallery.

22:01 So there's a lot of personal vendettas going on here. The conflict is very personal because we're talking about Caleb Meir's mom, Anishamir, who's there, and she Titania Masslani, Let's not forget her. She blames Nala Ake for past family tragedies in her life right. The episode is exploring themes of accountability and whether or not the older generation, who we see embodied by Chancellor Ake and news Braka, can ever truly move past the trauma of the burn. Now with the rest of the ship heavily damaged, a lot of senior officers incapacitated. Good old Commander jet Reno, our favorite tig Notaro. She takes command of the Athenis Saucier section and organizes the Cadets into emergency roles. So with her on the bridge of the Sausage Session, we have Jaden, Sam Darren, Terarima, Caleb, Genesis, pretty much all the main characters of the Cadets, and they are going to need to overcome their inexperience and their anxiety about what could happen.

23:01 They have to find a way to figure out can they neutralize the omegamize and they eventually realize that the doctor Robert Riccardo has been glitching crazily and saying nonsensical phrases over and over again, like find the glue in your shoe, which is actually encrypted data regarding something called Ruben particles that are needed to stabilize the mind, Ruben being the word they use to make that play on Rubicon, ending up with the title of the episode Rubin Cohn. So we're kind of, you know, messing around with a pun if you will hear, so, just want to make sure that's clear. So there's a theme of teamwork and growth growth happening as each cadet tries to find their place Genesis life. Aspiring Captain finally gets to take the home, while Caleb Meir is able to actually finally reconcile his past, reconcile, I should say, with his future. It's a star fleet officer, and they're able to work together. And I think what I like to out the way they set this up is there's a really nice contrast about the younger folks working as a team very cohesively, and compare that with the inability of the adults, you know, na Ake and noos Braka to move past their past grievances that they had in the past. And as we moved into the finale of the trial that noos Braka has there, we start to run into the theme of justice and accountability.

24:26 The central revelation goes on here, which is quite shocking because noos Braca has spent his whole life with this lie, believing that during the Burn, the Federation ignored his colonies please for help and instead launched an unpromoked missile attack that wiped out his people. That is his motivation, the grudge he's been leaning into for years. It's justified all of his actions right. Turns out that is absolute, complete and total bullshit, because the revelation is that neus Braka's father, not the Federation, was responsible for the instructure of their own colony. Chancellor Ake and Klei Meir used scientific evidence, thank you science, specifically the color of the atmosphere when the colony ignited, to prove that the explosion was caused by strontium, real minerable, real chemical element, by the way, a mineral mind there on the colony. This reveals that Braca's own father had indeed weaponized the strontium to attack a Federation supply ship slightly different than we had told in the past that attacked backfire and destroyed the colony and killed his entire family, which is a massive personal and historical reveal that completely dismantles Noose Braca's lifelong motivation, kind of leaving him with you know, psychic earthquake, if you will, which is a big ending to not work, not how he thought his trial was going to wind up.

25:51 The outcome the cadets are successfully able to neutralize the minds once they figure out what the hell it is that the doctor is talking about. The Federation was saved, and the the season ends on a pretty hopeful note, which the cadets preparing for the next year at the Academy. Something really special I thought was extremely well done was in the end credits of this particular episode. Be sure to watch them if you haven't, because it's a real nice tribute in those finale credits, a very unique sequence that displays real life childhood photos of all the cast members as a nod I think to their characters growth throughout the series. I thought that was extremely well done. It will put a tear in your eye. Allow the end of Return of the King, where some similar devices were employed, but quite tastefully done, and I thought it was a really great way to wrap up this series and the series. This season of the series, we thought one more whole series season of the series left to go.

26:46 It's hard to say when you've been comparing Rubicon and ruben Gon, so what are. You going to do? But that's kind of what we had. That's our recap of the episode, and we will all get a chance to weigh in with our numerical score whole numbers, please no decimals if you don't mind. At some point later in the episode, but first first from the dusty confines of his bizarre Pennsylvania hotel room with a thirty one led light bulb. Eric is going to regale us with some of the thoughts from our very own Facebook fans scores and reactions to this finale of season one. Are you there? Eric? Are there Ice officers knocking on your door trying to take you away?

27:27 Things seemed to be okay. I had to step over this dead horse that was beaten to death, but I'm going to continue on now. Joe Hannigan gave it a solid ten. Great way to wrap it all up at the end of the season. I only wish there were more episodes. Paul Giamatti, of course, stole the show once again. As the doctor would say, Bravi tuti thanks. Joe Edwin Brown said I'd give it a nine. Jet Reno was the star of this episode. Loved how she kept all the cadets focused on the situation as if they were running the live version of the Kobayashi Maru. The scene where Reno and KiB were working on the warp drive and he was questioning himself, Reno talked to him like a concerned parent, and brought his confidence back. Just like Tilly, Reno has embraced the role of instructor extremely well. I can't disagree with anything you've said so far, Edwin. He also says, and most importantly, the USS Discovery made a cameo appearance and wasn't needed to save the universe. I think he means that we saw it in that the fleet arriving scene. I don't remember seeing it. Perhaps I'm wrong.

28:29 Maybe one of you guys can help clear that up for me. Thanks Edwin, Anthony Ross. It didn't show during the review specifically, it was mentioned by name. Specifically, they said, can't the Discovery jumped through the mycilial network through the spores? An Amal Vance said no, yes. I agree, different from making an appearance, but I agree. Denny Ross gave it a ten. He says the pee line was the best. Richard Gardner gave it a ten for the finale to the debut season. It is quite simply fantastic. I love TNG, but there's no escaping. A lot of Season one was ropie. While there were aspects of this first season I didn't get. That's more to do with me being an old being old poor than a poor storytelling. Over All, the effects, the sets, the production blew me away. Special mention to Paul Giamati. He stole every scene he was in. What a performance. Leslie Jones also gave it a ten. As a soon to be seventy year old who was there for the first run of tostng Ds nine and Voyager. I felt that this series's first run had its ups and downs, like all of its predecessors did. However, I think it has been a spirited effort and showed a willingness to reflect our society today, just as Gene Roddenberry attempted to do in the nineteen sixties. Really, that's what he was doing.

30:01 I look forward to the next series. Also, tig Nataro was a standout in this episode. Thank you so much, Leslie. Bruce Reid said, wait, I have to go pee ten. Colleen Thompson also gave it a ten. There's a real theme here people. It was well paced and acted. Reno was unexpectedly great in this with the cadets. I totally expected it, but I get what you're saying. I still think the idea of mining Federation space like that is wildly implausible. Well, David agrees there and far over the top. Not terribly sophisticated Baddie to pull off, but it was entertained. But I was entertained enough to suspend disbelief and enjoy the ride. Thanks Colleen. Margaret Gallant also gave it a ten.

30:45 Brilliant how they made the protagonist just a flawed, just a touch flawed in her past twices, and the antagonist a touch broken in his childhood. Both techniques draw the audience in make the characters relatable. Thanks Margaret. Anne McMillan gave it a ten. It was great. I love the way Laura and Reno awkwardly held hands as they walked through the atrium at the end. It was as if Laura wasn't even considering it, but Reno kept reaching for her, wanting to take the relationship more public. It made me smile. Thanks Anne. Judy Elliott said absolutely big fan of Jet Reno. I'd give it a ten. I think the imagination of the writers is spot on. I'm seventy three been with Star Trek from the very beginning. When you watch some of the original episodes and the monsters look like rubber dinosaurs, it was a bit dorky. Compared to the light effects of today's stories. I was twelve and Star Trek ruled.

31:41 I even had my hair cut like Spock when I was fourteen. Oh, I'd love to see a picture of that. Judy Spot couldn't have eaten crackers in my bed back then looking forward to more. Ten exclamation point, Judy, that was a great review. Thank you. Linda. Sunboard gave it a nine point five, very much enjoyed andank you for season two to start, then hoping it'll be season three and beyond. Sam Bayless Vance gave it a ten. It's so ruled, I cannot wait for more to come back. For it to come back, excuse me. The only thing that's keeping me sane is knowing that the cast and crew, especially the ones new to the industry, are undergoing huge life changes. They need some time, and Trek needs time to get season two through post and into the can so we can love the hell out of it. SFA was mind blowing. Mikey Nichol Smith said it's nice to see people who actually love Star Trek posting rather than folks who haven't seen it posting negative stuff about it. It's the finale. If you hate it, Why are you wasting ten hours of your life on it?

32:44 I think it was a solid eight. It would have been a nine if we had seen the doctor become the emergency Command hologram. Oh, Mikey, that would have been cool. Carrie King gave it a ten. This episode really reminded me of the Kobayashi Maru test, except it was in a simulation. The tension was incredibly high, and Paul Giamatti's portrayal of news Braka was fantastic. What a great way to end the season. Debra l Platt gave it a ten and an extra two thumbs up for the end credits. Loved it. Lots of exclamation points and hearts in Debra's post. Thanks Debor. Wanja Schultz give it a nine. I have fun with Starfleet Academy. Gabrielle Nancy Henderson gave it a ten.

33:27 Loved it. I'm a big time trekky since it first aired many many years ago. Brian Wong said I'd give it a nine point five, so there's room to make it more awesome. Just reading through this, I think he means the comments on our page. It looks like many other people loved it as much as I did. Why are there so many haters out there? I'm not understanding them? Thanks Brian, We're going to talk about that next week. Seanetta Broughton gave it a ten. Loved it. It was relatable to younger viewers, which is what we need. Nala, Jet and Lura are totally the teachers I would want. Please please bring me third and fourth seasons. Thanks Shanetta. Ellis Coombs gave it an eleven, which we of course have to average to ten. It was awesome. I totally wasn't expecting this level of action from this series over the top. Lots of clapping hands from Ellis that gives us a combined fan score this week of nine point four.

34:28 So there you have it. Very very respectable, very respectable. So the would you like to dive in and get us started this week since we missed you? Yes, this was I was blown away by this episode. I thought, let's see which one was at number eight was epic, but this one even more so. I'm trying to remember how I described Paul Giamatti's acting. I think I said something to the effect that Paul Gama chewed the scenery in only the way that Paul Giamatti could and he did not disappoint this time.

35:08 He was just. Absolutely fantastically evil. The you know there Paul was talking about the different themes. You know, people are reflecting on their past selves. I mean that that speech that Caleb gave towards the end was fantastic. And uh, there's also the theme of forgiveness because his mother Anisha realized because remember when she said that she and Nala we're talking, and Nala knew how much that she hated her for separating her and her son, and she said more than you will ever know. But by the end she was able to to forgive her. So that was really really deep.

36:00 The one thing that you know, the effects I was going to say, the effects were just absolutely spectacular. Pardon me, excuse me, Hopefully I don't lose my voice. The one thing that really popped out at me. Again, towards the end, there were a couple things. But when Nala has a chance, you know, when she's been proclaimed guilty and she asks everybody, is this really the person you want to follow into the future. An angry child with his finger on the trigger. His entire world, his entire worldview is based on a lie and it's like, wow, that just absolutely hit. And speaking of hitting, when they're taking him away and first Anisha punches him and then Nana punches him. Wanted him.

37:00 I almost half expected him to say Picard never punched me, but you know, of course, so that was really good. And then the end credits, I love those with all the childhood photos, and I will have to say, speaking again about Paul Giamatti, I think his picture as a child was the most recognizable because he's making a face, he's sticking out his tongue, and again he's he's apparently been Paul Giamatti his whole life as best as he can be. So I will definitely give this one a solid ten. So there you go. Yeah, you know, it.

37:41 Reminded me an awful lot of Star Trek six. I got that Star Trek six feel to it. Not Star Trek five. No, not Star Trek five this time. Okay, but when the signatures were. Going, oh yeah, yeah, when they got at the very end, yeah. You know the signatures, and it just had that Star Trek six field. Yeah. Oh. I didn't realize just how significant that would end up being just a few short weeks later, but now. Oh, I forgot to I forgot to add I am a I am now a solid Take Nataro a k jet Reno fan, because she is just absolutely wonderful. The uh there was one line where she said something to the effect that, well, we're either going to succeed or we're going to die, you know, depending on how the cadets figured things out. So that was that was the ultimate Kobayashi Maru that nobody could uh you know, change the outcome and fake their way out of So. But yeah, take Nataro. I tell you what she's She's awesome.

38:55 Yeah. I thought she stole the show. I thought she was I'd love to get her on the pod. Oh yeah, I'm still trying. Oh my gosh. Yeah. She has some of the best lines in this episode, like when she's talking to Kaleb and she says, we learn more from the things we do wrong than the things we do right. Uh, show me some streaky lines, I can't she she had a lot of like wharf lines, things like you know, Warf would have said on TG. She was and her dead Pam delivery is just the best. The way she's just so dead Pam. Everything she says is just straight down the line you know Spectaculor and the doctor glue in the shoe that reminded me of Dharmat.

39:42 Yeah yeah, oh yeah, that's what I wanted to say too, Yeah, that Darmac and Chalade. But he had gotten he had gone wonky because he used his that mobile emitter to fake the saucer being blown up. And that's that's what made him all wonky. And the thing with Sam, how she calls him Dad, I mean, if that doesn't tug at your heart strings, then I don't know what does and how because he had saved her before and that was her turn to try to help him, so that that was really something very very special. All right, I'm going to shut up now. Yeah, yeah, So who wants to go in here? Why don't we let David jump in here next. I'm very curious with everything that's gone on these last couple of days.

40:33 I'm dying to hear what David has to say. All right, Well, so, yeah, this particular episode, last week's footpart was I would get into it just fine until that whole walk thing came up, the whole bubble of mind and everything, and all of a sudden, it was just like the second part they just started getting into it in a little bit more science you about it, and I'm like, I don't know. For some reason, it just took me out of the mood. I guess you could say. I do have to agree with uh, the the the whole Geomotti acting.

41:17 Uh. He did a really good job playing the bad guy, uh, the villain of this series. He uh, him sticking his tongue out and everything like that really did reflect what he used to do, I guess for his little kid. As we mentioned that whole, I have to admit that the ending of the credits was like watching a family go by, and it was just like you get to see what they were like when they were young, until the journey that they got to the very end there.

41:58 It was just it was it was touching. It was actually kind of fun to watch seeing all those past photos and everything. And so. To me, this episode, for some odd reason, I felt very It felt very long. For some reason, I know that it was more than an hour. I think their time run was like an hour or seven minutes, but to me, this episode just seemed a little bit slow in a sense as well. The whole sausage section blown up. I thought that was a really cool idea to finally have an idea of using holograms to twick centuries the ship centuries, I guess you could say. And to me this episode though, there's just still something about it, I just can't seem to put my finger on And to me, I'm just like, ah, yeah, I don't want to give it too hot. LOVI score, because to be honest, I'm still rooting for the series. I'm waiting to see what season two is going to be like because I do want to love the characters. I do want to get in touch with like what they're going through and everything.

43:24 But for some odd reason, it's the story plot or something. I don't know what it is. It's just I think we discussed it last week where it just seems like a lot of the things that they went through, they didn't really quite explain very well that Jim and a clean on woman thought something. And so to me, I'm just like, so the series would have been better had they given you more information about her. I'm sorry I had to break in because I'm. Just like, no, no, not. Not just her, I'm talking about like just in general, like a lot of different things throughout the different episodes that we've seen, Like, how the heck did they get all those minds? I mean we talked about that last week, of course, but to me, it just seemed a little the story plot just seemed to go flat to me for some reason. And I was really excited about that Jim and character, but they didn't really put too much thought into it as something I don't know, similar to Guynan went in the Card series, the whole Q and Guynan experience where they talked about it back in TNG, and it was like, all of a sudden they gave us a little bit of that stuff and Card it was just like that was it. That was the reason why Q and Guynan were like great enemies.

44:40 You know. It was just like to me it felt like that because it was like a I was so hyped up for it and all of a sudden, it just like it just fell over for me, and the story plot just didn't make sense. I mean, this whole news thing that like we see here on the screen here, I don't know, the trial the streamed a little flat. I don't know why. I mean, it's almost like they're copying flow point. So the whole Q thing was just like, yeah, it would have been nice if don John Delanchley would have came in. But to me, I was just like. I was hoping for more. I guess maybe that's what it is, but to me, it just fell flat. So to me, I'm gonna give this episode a five.

45:29 Yeah, guys, well. Five five Speezza two last week, that's that's cool. So here we are on the screen, we see the news, and this is what I loved about this episode. Did anyone else get the feel that this was, like, uh, a total reflection of what's going on right now in the United States? Did you guys not feel that this was Trump right here on the show, finger on the trigger. He's gonna everybody, and you know, the whole thing just felt to me like a warning to two people of you know, this is what this is what we're heading towards if we're not careful.

46:11 Well, that's what Star Trek has, that's what Yeah, that's what Star Trek has done over the years that you know, reflecting current events that are happening, you know, starting with the original series. So but yeah, exactly, yeah, that's what I thought as I was as I was watching, especially the anger, the angry child with his finger on the trigger. Finger on the trigger exactly. That's the way I you know, I was watching it, so you know there was that angle too. And Star Trek always does the best when it's reflecting what's going on. And some people don't like the reflection that they see, so they don't like the reflection.

46:53 They're going to attack it or ignore it, and uh, you know we're seeing that play out right now. So yeah, so yeah, I loved it. I thought it was great. Jet Reno stole the show. Jaden's when he's doing his doctor thing down there and he helps him figure out what the glue and the shoe meant. I really liked that. I like the doctor saving everybody with the hologram. I like, how. You know Oka okay, you know, gave him the code and jet Reno's like what is that? He tells her, you know. And the crew, my god, the crew coming together. You guys, remember the last time we saw the crew on the bridge of the ship trying to do a simulation, they killed everybody. They were arguing they couldn't get along, they couldn't get anything right.

47:39 Well, not this time. This time, they jelled like the crew that they're training to be and to me, that's what the whole show is about. We take a bunch of kids and experienced fighting with each other, not used to each other, and by the end, you know, they're a well oiled machine. They're working together, they're doing what they do best, they're using their training and they're getting the job done and saving the day. And that is what it's all about. We get to see it come to fruition at the end, and I love these characters. So this episode aired prior to the bad news. That we all received. All the reviews that we read were prior to the bad news that we received. And I just watched the episode, you know, about twenty minutes ago, and watching that episode right now, knowing what I know right now, it felt like an end to me. I mean, if season one was the end of Starfleet Academy, it felt like an end to me. They ended it very very well, but alas we will get a second season, I can't say I think I got a peek. Wait, I'll be right back. There was just there were so many moments in this that I liked. We touched on a lot of them, most of them involved jet Reno her inspirational speeches Sam with the doctor as her father.

49:08 You know, Terema and Caleb Uh finally coming to terms with each other. Was was touching and well done using her in Zodi senses. I don't know what else you want to call it. To locate Caleb's mother was very similar to what they did in Insurrection when they tried to locate the cloaked scimitar with Dianna Troy. So that was that was a neat kind of callback. So I'm I got to give this one a ten as well, or ah, wait for Paul, I'll give it a nine point nine. So because Paul loves the decimals, he loves it.

49:50 So yeah, I'll go with a nine point nine. And I think I'll turn it over to Charles. Okay, thank you uncle, So I can switch over to my at that page, this page, and I will copy something over to my crew. Okay, it won't copy, all right. I mentioned saying I was gonna hold off a comment about a quote about Hitchhiker's Guide, and I'm sure Eric shake his head, was like, how'd you get that? And I found somebody with this quote. I found something interesting the optimical Ruben particle concentrate is sixty seven fifty six percent.

50:47 You divide this number by the golden ratio, which is one thy six hundred and eighteen, you get forty two. That's the answer the ultimate question of life, the universe and everything. And I thought it, Okay, that was interesting. Then when I saw Sam putting her hands up trying to get this thing to set. What was the first number that showed up? Forty two? It's like, wow, that was what I call a great deep reference to Star Trek. It's like, okay, I think we got some definite sci fi fan in that writer's room. Uh, let's look at the opener. We didn't have the usual opener this time.

51:43 We got in the scene and all of a sudden we roll the credit roll the titles saying Starfleet Academy, and we moved on. We didn't have a center opener either, so that made us realize the difference. This episode was different. I'm trying to really to say what things to say about this episode that people have said already a great episode. I loved the fact that they took a key off the bridge and had Jet Reno in charge. We got a lot more Reno in there instead, which I said, we got to see a lot of her personality, and I seriously do enjoy that personality of how how much of a straight person she is, and she gives it to you. She's not gonna give you a soft punch.

52:46 She's gonna give you this whole truth and very serious, and it's like, Okay, that's that's good. As for David's how they got all these minds out there, I'm sure that NUS had a plan with a lot of other people sit there and get these mines out there, and I'm sure there may have been a cloaking field around many of them, or they launched to a spot and they'd launch out others as the first one set off, because we noticed where they came out slowly and started peering and surrounded the Alpha Quadrant and all the planets within Starfleet. But I'm sure he's got some pretty good tech that he could use to hide these things so they couldn't be seen until he was ready to launch him.

53:48 I'm sure there's plenty of thirty to two second century techniques they could use in there. I like the deal where. And Karina Terina used he went, they're talking about forgiveness. Look at Caleb's attempt to give her, trying to trying to apologize and forgive her and to realize how special she is, and maybe she used her ability and his connection to find his mom. I think that was a creative method to bringing to doing that. How didver they come up with more than everybody else's kind of said?

54:38 I was gonna go with a nine point five, but since David pushed it down, I'll push mine up to a ten. All right, I ten. So let's let Paul jump in, because Paul has to be running early. So let's give Paul a chan to be heard before we ask. Thanks. Yeah, I'm already, you know, to my recap earlier. I think that's good. I just added a couple of extra things. I think this is a nice way to end the season. I think I was not a big fan of the television device that we see like it's because it's basically we're still communicating like CNN communicates centuries later, and it just was too contemporary for me. It really kind of actually took me out of the out of the immediacy of the show. So, I mean, while it may have really reflected contemporary events that just happened to be going on right now, accidentally, because this show was written and directed many years earlier. But that was it's just too hokey of a gimmick to me, and we've seen that in like every TV show since the seventies, so it's like, something different, please in my science fiction would be great. Also, I was very distracted by the crazy bunting that they put up around the the trial room.

56:02 It's like somebody said, hey, quick, go make what looks like futuristic graffiti on these banners, right, like your futuristic protester. That was really normally start Trek is so great with this production design, and this was just like really gotten the way of things for me. So some manor of quibbles there for most part, but I thought this was generally pretty good. It was a little long winded in places for me, though, I like. I like it when you maybe feel frustrated with certain parts of an episode, but then it gets redeemed at the end, right. And the reveal about news Brocket was great. I thought that was really terrific. Basically, his entire premise that he'd based his life on was just complete and utter nonsense, and it was a lie. We don't see that happening anywhere in reality right now, do we? But but yeah, it's I thought that was a good come upance for him, right, rather than like, you know, some ridiculous nonsense where he's like goes back to prison or you know, you know it gets killed in a big fight or whatever. I mean, it's been. They've been pretty clear that he's done and he's not part of season two at all from what I've understood. So you know, we can talk about that next week perhaps if we want to, but he's pretty much done as a character. So this is this our concludes with this episode. I thought there was a good chance, though, for most of the cadets to really shine, and for characters that that we've come to really appreciate, like n Lake gets some big triumphant moment in the trial. I do feel that for me and the kind of acting

57:34 I enjoy, I think Paul Giamatti really kind of was a little over the top in this series. Frankly, I think a little bit more measured, controlled performance. I appreciate more than the constant scenery chewing and history onics which is just too you know, play of the cheap seats is fine. Clearly it worked because people keep commenting about how much they loved his performance. But it's just like, modulate it maybe a little bit, you know, not everything has to be turned up to eleven. But I still think this was a really excellent episode. Is I myself saved tens for like classic episodes where I feel like they, you know, will stand the test of time. This one was not, so I would I would at the end of the day, I think it's a nine is appropriate for this. I think it really sums up what they were trying to do this whole season, which a finale should do. I don't think it's classic television by any stretch of the imagination, but a really solid nine, and it left me with great affection for these characters, anxious to see what they do to hopefully bump the storytelling up a little bit higher in the second season. And they certainly have got a great crew to work with phenomenal performers here. I'm excited to your casting news and find out who's playing particular roles in the second season and see where they go from there. So I think it nine is appropriate. I'm well done, feel good about what you DIDs and crew.

58:57 On this show. More talking about in terms of the future of the show, it sounds like, well, probably won't get you a lot of it this week, though we may touch on a bit so at nine for me, good work, Starfleet Academy. Well I guess now we're waiting to see when the next drop is for Strange New Worlds. When do we get season four? Probably sometime as we move into summer, would be my guest. So there we go. But yeah, nice work. That's it for me, all right, Eric, you get to krebrus body all right. Yeah, thanks Gang, great reviews. I you know, I think from day one, Starfleet Academy has really hit me in my fields. I've loved this show. I think because they take these these younger folks, right and they kind of show how they're growing into adults and how they're growing into responsibility. And specifically with Caleb, how you know, he's literally transforming from a kid who only knows how to survive to a kid who really, at the end here is defending himself and Starfleet to his mother, whom he's spent his entire life looking for. So the whole concept of showing growth, showing change, seeing how people can kind of have one idea their whole life that turns out

1:00:28 to not be true, and once they're able to kind of make it over that hump, they can really move on and become the people that they were meant to be. And I think this finale really kind of, you know, puts a nice little semi colon, I'll say, just because season two is yet to come, but it really kind of punctuates that feeling. So right from the beginning of this episode, we get the intense recap of what has happened up to this point, which I appreciated because perhaps it's been a week or two since you've seen the episode. We kind of start getting into that opening scene where the kids go into the air lock and and that sort of stuff. And I, you know, I can't disagree with Paul when he when he says that Giamatti was kind of on eleven the entire time. It would have been nice to see a little bit more variation in his performance, to see him maybe have a moment of self reflection at some point, to show maybe even a little character growth for him too. I mean, he can still go to way to prison at the end, but he just kind of at the end of the series, I kept waiting for something to happen, and because it never happened, my impression of him at the end was that he was a mustache twirling villain.

1:01:41 Right. He's a great actor, no question, and he does intense really really well, and I actually love the news Brocket character. I just wish that he had kind of backed off of him just a little bit. Conversely, I think Ake kept keeps getting better, Like she was unbelievable in this episode when the trial's occurring and there's kind of the quid pro quo and she see Paul I would I would disagree with you on the media thing that you said, And it's only because the way this episode was written, it was necessary that the media thing be a part of it so that the entire galaxy is watching this as it's happening, because it gives her the opportunity to then use that against Braka and actually bring truth and science and things like that into the cult of personality that he constantly tries to cultivate. In this episode, right, he says things like I'm the only thing between you and a federation that doesn't care, and you know, things like that, and and the truth is that you know, he's not really their savior, right, And it is the fact that it's a live on trial. The whole galaxy can see it, and Ake is able to manipulate that kind of you the propaganda against the propagandist that I thought was really clever, So I like that part of it.

1:03:08 I will say there are many many references, and this has been a problem with Starfleet Academy since the beginning. Way too many modern references. I mean, noose Braka, this what is he Tellwright Kling on something else? Guy makes references to Lazarus, which is like a niche character in a niche religion, on a niche planet in a giant galaxy like it. It makes absolutely no sense that he would bring Lazarus into any discussion with anybody. So I think the writers kind of miss a few things on that. There's also discussion. I think he says it a few times. He's like, we need to build a world, and I think to myself, dude, you're not even on a planet. You need to build a galaxy. Why are you even saying world? Like I think, in my mind's eye am trying to go to Earth. But then I'm realizing that they're on a spaceship and they're really out there. So just a few little tiki taggy things like that that kind of brought me out of it, the modern references.

1:04:02 So trial was my absolute favorite part. As I said, when Caleb shows up at the end and defends the Federation to his mother and that's kind of what allows his mother to move past her hate and that sort of stuff. Fantastic loved it. I did like that we finally got the Broncus story because up until this point, I don't think we'd had a good motivation for his hatred, you know, and and in a lot of ways, I think his hatred of the Federation was justified. I mean, if you think about if you kind of translate this to like modern context, right when when people are flying overhead and some bad stuff happens, you may make assumptions that they're the ones causing it, and that's just based on lack of information, right, So was it wrong for him to hold on to that feeling his entire life and you know, do all of that bad stuff because of that?

1:05:01 Yeah? Absolutely, So he didn't you know, take any opportunities for personal growth or to find out what really happened or anything like that. He just let his hate fuel him. And I don't remember who says that during the show, but there is there is a line about kind of, you know, hate being the thing from from which you draw all of your energy, and it's, oh, yeah, your hate will set you free. I think is you know, people believe that your hate will set you free. There's so oh it's it's okay, that's who it is. That's right, she says, she's got that speech at the end. There's so much anger in the universe, you know, people believe your hate will set you free. All that kind of stuff.

1:05:44 That just resonated so hard with me that that I almost shed a tear. I mean like literally it was. It was it was kind of like, oh, I get it, man. There's a lot of hate going on right now, and people are dwelling and living in their hate and trying to like make that the way that the world should be. I don't appreciate that at all. Okay, trials, that's kind of my thoughts on the trial. One other little tiki taki thing I'll just say is that there's too much fire in Starfleet Academy, just like there was too much fire in Discovery. You remember when every time something would happen on Discovery's bridge, it would light like eight fires and for some reason, the ship would never put them out. Well, literally, the whole time the kids are trying to fix the bridge, parts of the bridge are on fire. That pulled me out of the moment, like, no ship would not have a fire suppression system to put out the fires. Oh yeah, whatever, Okay, let's talk about Karima and Caleb a little. Specifically, Tarima lots of really cool stuff with her. You know, she gets her inhibitor blown up, we all start thinking, oh yeah, this is this is where she's gonna throw down. She's gonna use those powers, and in fact, that is what ends up happening, which I thought was fantastic because not only do you kind of get to see her sort of power level and her own growth, her growth was actually supported by Caleb. She would not have been able to grow into a person who trusted herself unless Caleb was there to let her know that he trusted her.

1:07:14 Right. So it's like, individually we can't do things, but as soon as we put ourselves together, we have more power than we had as individuals. If that's not a Star Trek message. I don't know what is. I just thought that was fantastic. Let's see a couple other things. Everybody loves Jet. Jet was great. I loved all her funky lines. She was just hilarious to listen to. The pretty Streaks of Light really cracked me up. And I think it was v who already brought up the the you know, is this the person you want to follow into the future with his finger on the button? That line was another one that just hit me really hard. So so just I really appreciate what Starfree Academy did this season.

1:07:57 I feel like we saw a lot of character growth in a lot of different characters, specifically Caleb. Like he was the one who you know, started the series and kind of ended or started the season, kind of ended the season. You see him as a child. Now he's you know, discussing his future and how he's going to go spend the summer with his mom looking at cool stuff, but then he's going to come back to school in the fall. Just absolutely adorable. So a really different kind of Star Trek that was overall really optimistic, had a lot of really good character growth. A few problems in the writing room here and there that I think we've all talked about a little bit. So I'll just say that overall, I really liked this this episode. It also was not a ten for me. There were enough problems and enough kind of well maybe too much scenery chewing for me to really give it. Then I was originally going to give it an eight. I kind of still want to go there, but I kind of want to bump it up to an eight five just because of the fire. That's like I always feel like I have to correct for David, So I'll give it an eight point five.

1:09:11 All right? Eight point five from Eric? So Charles, how are the trucks firsts line up with our Facebook fans tonight? Okay? And since I got a better spreadsheet than I normally do, the fans gave it a nine point four and the truck spirts gave it eight point seven. But to stretch out those numbers, the fans overall rating for season one is an eight point seven. The host overall rating is an eight point five, So the fans like the show gets a little bit just two tens better than we did.

1:09:58 It's very on par, though, very on par. I'm that's actually kind of impressive. Yeah, and and I do want like I will just say that the reviews today seemed like they we reskewed, right. I was reading a lot of nines and tens. But but it's important for the listeners to know that these are actual reactions that we're not curating, that we're just pulling off of our Facebook page and putting in the notes. So maybe we're not getting the haters commenting, which is why the numbers look look so high. I feel like that's maybe more of an honest review. I don't know, that's that's my thoughts. It feels like more of an honest number than some of the comments that you read on some of the other social media pages.

1:10:42 So I think a lot of the haters are not as much wanted in our page, And so we got some more of the true fans that really enjoy the series reviewing it than just those that want to give a. Comment to the people that say stuff like a dumpster fire, death to Kurtsman, all this that I don't consider those to be honest reviews, so unless they have something constructive to say, like you guys might notice, very rarely do I put up a score. That with just a number. You know, I want to know why you gave it that. So a lot of the people that give it negative scores are just dit shits, you know, and they're they're they're not justifying. You know, well it's a negative one thousand, Okay, why you know it was kirtsman sucks?

1:11:33 Well, no, that's not a reason. So you know, a lot of those don't make it because the people that post them are idiots. So well, and you know, you're free to go to our Facebook page you look at the comments yourself. Those are I think one of our fans summed it up perfectly. It's nice to see people give honest opinions of the show. And I want to say that if I can say a lot of the haters, they are are lashing out, maybe not so much at Star Trek per Se, but at the concept that we've seen. You know that that there's a certain faction that doesn't like that. We were talking about earlier before the show about the diversity, equity and inclusion type of thing and or the you know, the body shaming because like where have we seen people calling names and you know, saying that somebody's fat and all that stuff. So I think it's a there's something, there's something bigger. So it's they just decide that they want that Star Trek is going to be there. They're going to aim for Star Trek, but they have a lot more hate in their hearts. And that's really kind of sad.

1:12:50 That there's something big out there, all right, and it's wearing an adult diaper. That's the something, that's the something big. And I just like to point out too, it's just I think some of it's very easy to become pessimistic when something like this happens, right, And I would just like to say in general, I mean, I'm on Facebook as much as anybody believe me, I am right, not always to my benefit, but Facebook has become like a you know, the bottom of the of the pipe, if you will, right, For a lot of the toxic comments go over someplace else, go over to the threads. In particular, I've seen very few negative comments over on that platform.

1:13:35 A lot of positive people who clearly love start talking very unhappy about recent news right. Same over on Blue Sky there's a lot more positive stuff over there. Facebook is incredibly badly regulated, as we are seeing in the news today, right, and it's just. It's swarming with bots, swarming with bad. Actors and people of ill intents. So it's just like, you know, I think I would love to see our show spend more time on other platforms and less time on Facebook, and I think we would find people who are more inclined to appreciate a positive aspect of where Truck should go. Because if you're just staying keeping it only in a Facebook group, you canna have a lot of trolls and a lot of depression, a lot of negativity.

1:14:18 And that's just the fact. That's true. That is true. So that wraps up our conversation on the season one finale a Starfleet Academy. We do have season two to look forward to, so that's awesome, and I think now it's time to do some Star Trek birthdays. Higher Absolutely.

1:15:02 That was not a plan on song, and we always stirred out our sci fi birthdays by remembering those members of the family who, sadly enough, are no longer with us, and for that returned to Eric. Yeah, our first remembrance this week goes out to actress Karen Steele. She was the Hawaiian born model turned actress whose career ran from the early fifties to the early nineteen seventies. She played Eve Mchuron in the TOS first season episode MUDs Women. She, of course, was a former cover girl and model. She made sixteen movies along the way, the most famous of which is probably Marty from nineteen fifty five, and about fifty television guest appearances are under her belt, usually playing tough, hard boiled characters. Believe it or not, she was mistaken for another actress by producer Delbert Mann back in the day when he cast her as a hard case in the drama film Marty, which I think is kind of interesting. Unfortunately, she got cancer and died way too early, only fifty six years old, a little more than a week before her fifty seventh birthday.

1:16:09 So lost to early. Karen Steele, thank you so much for your Star Trek contributions and Happy Birthday. Happy Birthday as well to Logan Ramsey, the actor who appeared as Claudius Marcus in the TOS second season episode Bread and Circuses. His father, Logan Ramsey, if you're not familiar, was the naval officer who became famous in radio history after sending the message air raid Pearl Harbor. This is No Drill. Upon the outbreak of World War two following the attack by the Japanese on Pearl Harbor in nineteen forty one. Logan actually also guest starred on the Kung Fu television series episode The squaw Man, and did a whole bunch of other kind of guest star things along the way, including an appearance on The Monkeys, which I thought was kind of fun. That was a show that I actually watched on occasion. He also portrayed more in Battlestar Galactica Believe it or not, the Nationalist president from the original series episode Experiment in Terra. So happy birthday to Logan Ramsey.

1:17:17 Happy birthday as well to Kenneth Toby, the veteran actor from Oakland, California, who appeared as Urgan in the DS nine second season episode shadow Play. In his long career, Toby appeared in over one hundred films and television series, many times in brief supporting roles, and he of course was no stranger to science fiction, having starred in such classics as The Thing from Another World and It Came from Beneath the Sea. He also appeared in the film Strange Invaders, which featured DS nine guest stars Luis Fletcher and Wallace Sean, so he rubbed elbows with the Big EIAs from the beginning. Happy Birthday to Kenneth Toby Lost back in two thousand and two Happy Birthday, as well to Philip Richard Allen, the actor who played Captain j t Esteban in Star Trek three The Search for Spock.

1:18:08 He is known for numerous television and film guest appearances. He appeared alongside Merritt, buck Trick and David Marcus, and I had coincidentally already played a character named David Marcus himself in the nineteen seventy seven show Lou Grant. His most consistent career work was on the short lived television series The Bad News Bears, which also featured Katherine Hicks. Myriad guest appearances throughout the sixties, seventies and eighties, and his last appearance was on an episode of the television series lawndizizz I can't even pronounce it, apparently, a British soap drama about the lives of poles who settle in the UK capital of London. In two thousand and nine, very interesting. Happy Birthday to Philip Richard Allen, and now we've got our big one. Happy birthday to a person that I just respect so much in the Star Trek Lexicon universe, whatever you want to say, Happy birthday to Dorothy Catherine Fontana DC Fontana, who was a writer and script editor and had the distinction of being one of the few people to have worked on the original series, the animated series, The Next Generation, and Deep Space nine.

1:19:27 When writing, Fontana often used pseudonyms, including Michael Richards and J. Michael Bingham. You can probably guess why, because she was a woman in a man's world, and her stuff probably wouldn't get published if she put her actual name on it. She said that Deep Space nine was actually her favorite Star Trek spinoff, and we lost her back in twenty nineteen, so she got to see all of that kind of classic New Generation stuff, and she loved DS nine. She worked as a writer for a few television series before Star Trek, then briefly worked as Gene Roddenberry's secretary, which how he became familiar with her. She wrote so many episodes, you guys, I think she wrote ten episodes of the original series. She wrote my favorite episode of the animated series, yesteryear she wrote five solid, solid episodes of Next Generation along the way, and then she actually wrote the Deep Space nine episode Dax, which I'm sure you're all familiar with.

1:20:25 At the age of twenty seven years old, she was the youngest story editor in Hollywood at the time and also one of the few female staff writers. That is something pretty cool too. There's so much to say about DC Fontana, and I feel like I could just go on and on about her forever, but needless to say, she was an absolute rock star doing things that women just weren't really doing at the time, not because of lack of skill or anything, but just because they were not given the opportunities. And thank goodness, she was able to rub elbows with Roddenberry and be able to put her name in the hat and get her stuff out there. So I'll just say a very warm and happy happy birthday to d. C. Fontana, born the twenty fifth of March nineteen thirty nine. And speaking of big, big, big birthdays, that's right, one of the Big Three has won this week as well. Happy birthday to Leonard Simon Nimoy, the actor who was best known for his Emmy Award nominated portrayal of Spock, the half human, half Vulcan first Officer and Science Officer aboard the USS Enterprise. He's the only member of the original series main cast who have been featured in the original pilot episode The Cage. He continued the role throughout the entire original series tenure, including the animated series and the first six Star Trek films. He also, of course appeared in the Next Generation fifth season episodes Unification one in two in celebration of the twenty fifth anniversary of Star Trek being broadcast, and then left his

1:21:57 mark in the newer films. He was of course in Star Trek two thousand and nine, and his visage was used in some of the other Kelvin Timeline movies. He entered Boston College on a dramatic scholarship way back in the day, but dropped out and headed for the West Coast, knowing that there he would find more lucrative opportunities in the acting business. In the early nineteen fifties, he was also a member of the United States Army Reserve, and he served for eighteen months in Special Special Services at Fort McPherson in Georgia and received a discharge and honorable discharge in nineteen fifty five as a sergeant. In December two thousand and two, Nimoy announced his retirement from acting and his plans to spend his retirement as a photographer.

1:22:46 On the second of June twenty fifteen, NASA honored Nimoy when they named an asteroid after him four eight six'. Four Nimoy his legacy continued through a documentary film created by his Daughter, julie his Son, adam and narrated By John, delancey Titled Remembering Leonard, nimoy which was designed to raise awareness of chronic obstructive pulmonary, disease which of course was what he died, from having been a pretty heavy smoker his entire. Life there are so many great things to say About Leonard, nimoy of, course AND i won't bore you with. Those i'm sure everybody knows very well who he. IS i will say that we recently had his son on the podcast and it was a great. Episode if you haven't listened to, that you should go check out The Adam nimoy podcast we did just a few weeks.

1:23:35 Ago And Adam nimoy had a book too that we discussed and some of that gives you a little bit of that behind the scenes information About leonard as a dad and what it was like to have him as a. Dad so go check those out And i'll just say happy birthday and lots of love going out To Leonard Nimoy Barne march twenty, sixth just, today nineteen thirty. One and that does it for our remembrances this, week. Folks So i'm going to pass this flaming birthday candle over to v. All, right thank. You. Eric also want to add real quick that you can get it on demand for free On PLUTO. Tv but another documentary called for The love Of spock That adam did had started while his dad was still, alive wanted to honor, him and continued it finished it After leonard's.

1:24:32 Death so that's really really good as. Well So Happy birthday goes To Brian. Brophy he Played Bruce maddox in THE tng second season Episode The measure of A, man where they were questioning Whether data was a machine or was he a sentient. Being Vanessa, Branch happy birthday to. You she played the adult version Of Naomi wildman And. Voyager seventh SEASON Epi Chattered she is best known for her role Of giselle in all of The pirates of The caribbean. Films, Next Happy birthday goes out To Sadie.

1:25:16 Monroe she Played lil in The Star Trek Short treks Episode children Of. Mars she has been acting professionally since the age of eight and appeared on shows such As Orphan, Black Saving hope And American. Gods, Next Happy birthday goes To Anthony. Delongus Delongo sorry is An american, actor fight, director and trainer who Played color in five episodes On. Voyager Next Happy birthday To Swandi, wilson an actor who Played Captain Lee, too son Of burnham And book in The Star Trek discussy fifth season Episode Life. Itself happy birthday To Jennifer, Edwards Los angeles born actress who Played kyle IN tng fifth season Episode New. Ground she's the daughter Of hollywood writer director Producer Blake. Edwards interesting who was married To Julie. Andrews fun fact and last but not, least somebody who was at the con AND i unfortunately did not get to. MEET i would have loved. To it was just crazy when she was. There but a very happy birthday To Jess. Bush she's An australian, actor, model and visual artist who Plays Christine chappell In Star

1:26:49 Trek's Strange New. World her performance in the series' first season earned her a twenty twenty Two Saturn award nomination in the Category Best Supporting actress in A Streaming. Series All, right passing The Flaming? Birthday canpdbell over To? Paul? Oh, Wait paul's gone? Right? YEAH i think, well, SURE i definitely will. Well Happy birthday to Nala ake. Herself Holly hunter's birthday is this. Week, she of, course is The Academy, Award Golden globe And emmy winning actress who Plays Captain Nala ak In Starfleet.

1:27:35 Academy she's known for starring In The piano from nineteen ninety, three for which she won The Academy award For Best, actress and also In David Cronenberg's, crash and her resume is extremely. Long you should go to HER IMDb page to check it. Out but she's just an absolute force in this show And i'm just so happy that she's part of The Star trek universe right. Now, holly thank you so much for your. Contribute know that everybody on this podcast loves you so, much and happy birthday to. You speaking of powerful women In Star, Trek happy birthday To Sniqua Martin, green The american actress who Plays Michael burnham In Star Trek. Discovery she won A Saturn award for her performance in twenty, eighteen the first industry awards she was ever nominated. For this was followed by a second nomination in twenty, nineteen which she also, won and a third one in twenty twenty. One aniqua, also everybody on this podcast loves you and just think That Michael burnham is such a great character and we all Love discovery so, much so thank you so much for Your Star trek. CONTRIBUTIONS i secretly hope that maybe one day we'll get to See Michael, burnham like do a cameo in a in a you, Know Starfleet academy Or Stranging worlds or something like. That i'd love to see her face In Star trek. Again happy. Birthday speaking of powerful women in Stuf Our, Trek we've got another. One Amanda, plummer who of course Played vadic in the third season

1:29:06 Of Star Trek, picard was also born this. Week she's the daughter of the late Actor Christopher, plummer of, course who Played General chang And Star trek Sixth The Undiscovered. Country many many people became familiar with her or more acquainted with. HER i Guess i'll say for her role In Pulp. Fiction here me, up you. Bitch love that scene where she gets up on the table. Execute, yeah you know What i'm talking. About Amanda plumber Born march twenty. Third happy birthday to you and thank you so much for being part of Our Star trek. Family and last but not, least On paul's, LIST i will say happy birthday To Sir Gary Leonard, oldman The english actor and filmmaker known for his versatility and intense acting. Style he's received various, accolades including An Academy, award A Golden, globe Three British Academy Film, awards and nomination for Three Primetime Emmy.

1:30:02 Awards Sci fi fans know him as the flamboyant Villain Jean Baptiste Emmanuel zorg In The Fifth, element one of my favorite sci fi, movies role he took as a favor to Director Luke, besson despite disliking the film at the. TIME i wonder if his like if the fact that it's kind of become a cult classic has changed his opinion at all on. THAT i would love to know, Anyway Gary, oldman love your, stuff seeing almost every movie you've ever been. In love you so. Much Happy birthday To Sir Gary Leonard. Oldman and that does it for that. List SO i will pass this one over To Jim.

1:30:42 Why thank you so, Much, Eric and as USUAL i do with The, KLINGONS i do happen to have the Ultimate klinghan on my, list but there were a couple in here THAT i wanted to grab THAT i Aren't, klanon SO i apologize to everybody for not doing Just. Klingons but the first ONE i want to Say happy birthday To John, delancy who PLAYED. Q we won't go into. It he's played With hugh and a lot of. Things but the reason WHY i wanted to Say happy birthday To John delancy is to share a little story that happened up At Chuck Connor. Roga i'm not sure If eric was at this particular show or. Not, yeah WELL i have my. OWN i have my Own John delancy story from that exact, Con but go ahead and tell, yours.

1:31:25 Yep so HERE i am dressed up as a, claim got the whole head on the gear my, batlift AND i Chuck. CONNOR roga is held at the high school in Ty Con. Roga Uh SO i go in the, Bathroom i'm standing at the urinal and who walks up to the journal right next to, Me John, delancey and so like we shared a urinal, together and in typical dude, style it's like he and, uh you, know, uh he did his. THING i did my. Day. Everyone what did he? Say did he SAY i have to? Pee did he have to SAY i have to? Pee? Though, so, uh.

1:32:10 Is such a small venue that things like that can. Happen you never know who you're happy Birthday John. Delancey so. As that it's not it's not quite that. Good it's from the same con. Though but but WHAT i did learn About John delancy was that even though he's kind of like a really big star and, stuff he's a very personable. Guy, so, UH i was walking down the hallway during that con And john had his his. Entourage he had a couple of guys who were like sort of following him around making sure everything was. Okay and he's walking down the hallway one way And i'm walking down the hallway or the other, way AND i look at him And i'm, like oh, shit That's John. Delancy and SO i, SAY i say Hi, john and he's Like.

1:32:54 Hi, there. That was. It so he responded to, me which was kind of. Cool BUT i didn't get the p next to. Him oh my. God when you're standing at the, journal you look straight. Ahead. See see in the in the women's. BATHROOM i could only expect. Somebody and this is A seinfeld reference to ask IF i could spare a, Square, yeah The, elaine the Whole elaine. Thing NO i. Can't i'm. SORRY i don't have a square to.

1:33:34 SPARE i don't know a. Square. Yeah, Yeah so happy birthday To John. Delancy, yeah he's PLAYED q ON t N, G D s, Nine, Voyager Lower, Decks Per card And Strange New. World so happy birthday To John. Delancy next on my, list we want to say happy birthday To Timothy. Dalton and there he is on The British actor Of stage And, screen famous for being chosen as the Fourth James Bond geest starred As ROSE i can't read, It rosalind and doctor WHO i don't know who that? Is i'm out A whovian television story the end of.

1:34:20 Time but what do we know him? For come, On, david what are we knowing? For that's, right we know him For flash he almost Played Prince baron in nineteen Eighty flash chord of movie music by The. Queen Happy, BIRTHDAY. I always want to, SAY i always want to clarify him like. People that's an old reference that goes back a few. Episodes if you haven't, listened you. Should we know they're called, queen but we like to joke about. It y bearing with the leader of OUR bori. Yah So happy birthday To Timothy. Dalton next on my list is The Awesome we talked a lot about her, Tonight Tig nataro AND i have an awesome story in our news to share with. You and there she is with her what Space kitten R dale Olef. Frock she's a stand up, comic writer and actors who Played Jet reno And Star Trek discovery And Starfleet. Academy after her stand up Show live in which she announced she had breast, cancer it brought her worldwide acclaim.

1:35:34 AND i JUST i love her to. DEATH i think she's great AND i have a great story to share about her later on in the. Show so happy birthday to Tig. Nataro and now now it's time for Some. Klingons an actually Awesome. KLINGON i think The klingon of Cling, wow the Kling on Of klingons might Be Michael, goring but this guy's definitely right up. There he's up there With wharf And. MARTAK i want to say happy birthday and to the Awesome robert, O'Reilly and there he is on the. Screen best known for his portrayal Of galron on THE tng AND ds, nine he Portrayed goron in the video Game Star Trek. Klingon in, addition he appeared As, kavak the antagonist of The Star trek The Next generation Of Klingon challenge INTERACTIVE vhs board.

1:36:27 Game anybody remember playing that? Game? No? Yes mane, okay well all, right Well i'm, Old, okay, Yeah i'm. Old and he also he also Played garon's, ancestor a car In Star Trek. Online and way way way back. In the day WHEN i was Running Star trek conventions, myself we Had robert O'Reilly at his very First Star trek mentioned and he was there With Charles, cooper who court was in the Best Star trek movie, Ever Star trek, five and they did Their klingon thing together and it was a lot of. Fun So happy birthday To robert O'Reilly And eric started off and ended his birthdays with the Awesome Leonard. Nimoy i'm going to wrap up my birthdays With William, shatner and what CAN i? Say he's An Emmy award Winning canadian. Actor he was in all seventy nine episodes OF, tos twenty one episodes Of.

1:37:37 Tas all THE tos. Movies but but fu fu fu. FUCK i think he's best known for writing and directing beyond a shadow of a, doubt the Best Star trek movie ever. Made it's right here over my head right Either Star trek Five The Final, frontier and right here where my finger is is my autograph poster From Lawrence, lucambille who we also had on the Podcast Star trek Five The Final, frontier written and directed By William shatner. Himself happy birthday to THE O G captain and that my friends wraps up are rather Lengthy Star trek birthdays for.

1:38:23 Tonight we're not done With William. Shatner oh, no we're. Not we have Our Star Trek news and we don't have a news you, know logo song. Yet we're working on. One but, okay if you want to get with Our Star, trek, yeah here we. GO i was gonna, say before we get, back can we get that last special on? There? Yeah go, Ahead, okay throw that one picture, Up. DAVID i wanted to throw up little SPECIALS i learned. TODAY i was going Through facebook and got. Reminded march twenty, six two thousand and, five released the first episode of The Doctor who. Reboot today was the first day that the first episode they released With christopher eccleson And Billy piper in that first, episode and that first episode just grabbed me and got me hooked on coming back To Doctor.

1:39:31 Who what a series That christopher put. Together i'm a little. Bit fuzzy on this Whole Doctor who. Thing how can it be a Re it's not actually a reboot because The doctor reboots every time he, dies. Right, uh the last Step i'm trying to. BELIEVE i believe it was ninety six that they ran a movie and the series came to. Conclude they didn't start it AND bbc just started to come back and start a brand new. Series let's just, say LIKE tos TO, tng they just started to try a brand new try at the series and brought the series back with a new, directors new, cast new, crew and brought the episode. Back the real interesting story is they really Wanted David tennan to come in and play the, doctor But david was locked in a contract at two thousand and five or at the time of, filming could not come in and portray the. Doctor so they hired ecchelson to come in and play the doctor for one, season and Then dave was able to come in and take over there for the second. Season But, chris Actually, Jody, okay.

1:41:00 There's, yeah, yeah you've got one. Doctor there's. One there's one alien portrayed by, many, many many different. Actors so that's the that's how doctor who. Works there's only one. Guy he's been the same doctor from the very beginning all the way up until the very, end just played by different, actors, Right, Charles. Yes. So jody came along in the transformation later. On But christopher really brought me. In we got some interesting. CHARACTERS i Know Eric's i'm a big Billy piper. Fan BUT i liked What billy, did AND i liked some of the characters we met in that, season and that just got me brought back and, SAID i always sit there and say that, doctor the Fourth doctor was my first.

1:41:49 Doctor But eckelson's the doctor that brought me, back And i've been hooked. Right, well there we have a doctor who we his way Into Trek talk AND, mbi which is. Awesome all, right so let's let's get back to Our Star Trek news and we have a story that of course continues Our shatner AND. I love that. Picture Thanks. David this is of course our favorite. Segment shatner says what and the title of this one Is William shatner Shares advice For Thriving at ninety, five The Star trek legend took to the took TO x to celebrate the milestone his ninety fifth, birthday posting at ninety, Five i'm still. Smoking i've learned two. Things never waste a good. Cigar never trust anyone who says you should act your. Age the post quickly drew a flood of reactions and five point one million, views with many fans Applauding shatner's irreverent take on growing older words of. Wisdom, indeed one user, wrote another added the embodiment of livelong and.

1:42:56 Prosper others joined in with birthday, wishes including one fan who commented happy, Birthday may you live to one hundred and, twenty And David wangberg also, wrote and of course happiest of birthdays to a. Legend some responses were more, reflective with one user, writing what most don't realize is that we're just big kids who can do adult things with adult. Money life is, serious but that doesn't mean it can't be. Fun we have to enjoy every day we wake up, because just like, tomorrow this afternoon isn't guaranteed to any of. Us birthday blessings. Tea, however not everyone was convinced the message landed, safely particularly when it came to.

1:43:41 Health you could everybody still. Come down with lung cancer PB copd one comment or War another, added be careful what you put out. There one comments or. Another be careful what you put out, there especially when you're done living. Life the young ones are. Watching While shatner's remarks were clearly tongue in, cheek medical experts consistently stressed that smoking even occasionally are as serious risks at any. Age pizations such As American Cancer society And centers For Disease control And prevention one that's smoking is the leading cause of preventable, illness including lung, cancer heart, disease and chronic lung, conditions and that quitting offers health benefits even later in. Life, shatner best known for his roll As Captain JAMES. T kirk And Star, trek has enjoyed a career spanning more than seven. Decades in addition to a sci fi, legacy he starred AS. Tj hooker And Boston, legal winning Two Emmy, awards authored dozens of, books and in twenty twenty, one became the oldest person to travel to space at age, ninety and wrote and directed the Best Star trek movie, Ever Star trek, Five The Final. Frontier So paul's not, Here.

1:45:01 Eric's dot? Here SO v would you like to Play paul's? Story? Uh, Sure, yeah this is actually we're all still processing, this But Star Trek Starfleet academy to end with season. Two the show was originally picked up At Paramount plus in twenty twenty, three with a streamer renewing the show for a second season before the first had. Aired the first season debuted In january and aired its season finale On march, twelfth while the second season recently wrap. Production we're incredibly proud of the, ambition, passion and creativity that went into Bringing Starfleet academy to, LIFE Cbs studios And Paramount plus said in a joint. Statement the series introduced audiences to a bold new group of, characters welcomed familiar, faces and expanded The Star trek universe in exciting new.

1:46:00 Ways we're grateful To Alex, Kurtzmanga, Landau Gaya, violo and the entire cast and crew who pushed storytelling boundaries in the spirit Of Gene roddenberry's. Vision the first season Of Starfleet academy reached an eighty seven percent critical approval rating On Rotten tomatoes with. Varieties Aramedi tenubu describing it as a delightful entry point into the, franchise but the show failed to find a significant audience Ha sorry across its ten episode first. Season it has failed to rank on The Nielsen top ten streaming viewership. Charts series co showrunners and executive Producers Alex Kirt kurtzman And Noga landau pend a letter in which they expressed their appreciation to the hundreds of hard working humans who poured every ounce of their talents into the making of the. Show whether you're working On Star trek or part of the marvel that Is Star trek, fandom its very heart and soul and.

1:47:12 Conscience the joy comes from adventuring across boundaries of, time, space and the humanly. Possible in service To roddenberry's transformative vision of the, future the pair wrote that incomparable vision was fueled by an inexhaustible. Optimism Star trek places its bet on the best in human. Nature it dares to imagine a society of infinite diversity in infinite, combination free of, war, hate, poverty, disease and, repression and dedicated to the spirit of scientific inquiry and respect for all, life whether carbon or silicon, based green skinned or. Blue in addition to the upcoming second season Of Starfleet, academy there are also two more seasons to come Of Star Trek Strange New. World season four of the latter show is expected to be released later this, year while a fifth and final season recently completed.

1:48:18 Production Wow what can you SAY i want to touch on this. Briefly next week we're going to talk a lot About Starfleet, academy BUT i felt we had to mention this story because it's so recent And facebook is just crawling with the trolls and hatred about the, show AND i don't want to spend too too much time on, it BUT i think we need to mention it for. Sure the thing that makes me sad As Star trek, shows they come and, go they get, canceled just you, know part of.

1:49:01 It but what worries, me What i'm concerned the most about is The trump administration has attacked the show. Openly Steven, Miller The vampire And Elon musk have been ON tv and talk About Star trek needing to get rid of THE dei and the you, know the representation of the LGBT I a plus. Community they've openly said, this we need to Get William shatner into to get rid of this so That Star trek doesn't. Have that message to it and then it's not as woke bull. SHIT i do not want to if they're going to Whitewash Star trek and just give us A Star trek that has a white guy in, command a bunch of straight white guys running around sexy he half naked pland, women spaceship BATTLES, ppp with no moral of this, discussion no, mirror no socio political anything.

1:50:05 That's Not Star. TREK i do not want to see. THAT i have no interest. In i'd rather have No Star trek at all Than Star trek that's been. Whitewashed and that's What i'm worried, about is whitewashing A Star. Trek i'd rather have nothing than to Have Star trek be whitewash Because Star trek gives me hope for the future. That a lot of shows. Don't When trump was elected the first, TIME i thought it's a, joke it will never happen again. Anyone the second, TIME i lost faith in all of. Humanity then they get involved In Star, trek and Now Star trek is. Canceled it disgusts. ME i think we Need Star.

1:50:47 TREK i think young people need that message that it doesn't matter what you look, like how rich you, are where you come. From we're all, equal and we all have a chance to, grow and if we work, together we're stronger than we. Are if we work a. Part the message Behind Star trek is a great one and it's a one that we. Need AND i think that short minded, people closed minded people has silenced, it AND i hope it comes back stronger than. Ever right now is the first time Since discovery that there is No Star trek in. Production. None let that sink in. People Starfleet academy was already, Done Starfleet Are Strange New world is already. Finished so this new merger Between paramount and Sky, dance they have nothing in. Production there's, rumors but there's. Nothing so when we get done With Starfleet academy season, Two Strange New World season, four and the short And Strange New world season, five that's.

1:51:53 It no More Star. Trek. People there's nothing in production at. All there's, rumors but nothing. More and another thing that scares me about it IS i don't want to see A burman style hack like we saw With Terry metallis And picard season. Three fans just jumped all over that and love, it love, it love. It it's the. Greatest the best horse hockey was fan, service fanboy nostalgia and nothing. MORE i don't want to see. That In Star. Trek i'm. SORRY i.

1:52:34 DON'T i don't mind, bringing you, know Having, tigntaro having The, doctor you know type of. Thing but to base an entire series on fan service and, nostalgia, NO i don't want that. Either But i'm not in. Charge When paramount calls me, Great i'm also not a. SHOW i have been told that if they spray painted a third With Star trek on the side of, IT i would like. It charles was around back. In the day When discovery came out and they were doing podcasts about, Us, Remember, charles. YEP i remember BECAUSE i didn't watch any of. THEM i heard about. Them but we were getting paid by per to promote this.

1:53:18 Garbage now we are getting paid BY cbs at the. Time that's. Right it WAS cbs at the. Time, Yeah and there were a whole podcasts about us being sellouts and not true fans and we don't Understand Star trek and how could we like this? Crap all, Right i'm still, here, Guys i'm still. Here i'm still doing. The, Podcast i'm still doing My facebook. Page and as disappointed AS i am and a lot of the reactions of a lot of fans out, There. I'm not going. Anywhere i'm going to be a light in the, darkness a light at the end of the, tunnel and a voice of reason for all those people out there that feel LIKE i. Do so you're not going to, Silence you're not gonna make me go. Away i'm here to stay and this. Story so we're going to talk a lot more about this next. Week eric has got some articles that he wants to. Read i've got some reactions from some of the, actors and we're going to delve a little bit deeper into. It BUT i just felt, that you, know it was our duty to mention that.

1:54:21 Tonight AND i do know there was one story THAT I. Jim jim before you, GO i want to colm out of your thing and read that. Article i'm curious how many Of Star trek episodes Sent discovery have appeared somewhere in The nielsen top. Ten So i'm just not. Sure i'm not sure Because i'm always hearing everybody talk about they're worrying about streaming, Numbers they're worrying about streaming. Times they want to see how often an episode is. Streaming so how are We we're sadly saying we're worried about The nielsen. Ratings it's, like how are The nielsen ratings really important to anything but REGULAR? Tv And i'm wondering if REGULAR tv even use it because there's so many networks out. THERE i know they talk about numbers when stuff like sporting events, occur or how many people they've got where they count, numbers but they don't talk about what place it. Was do people really seriously follow the nearest Rate nielsen?

1:55:32 Ratings WHEN i heard, THAT i started looking it up doing some research for next, week and the one THING i did find is that generally they wait approximately twenty eight days after a show premieres to come up with the minutes, viewed because they use minute view to pay the actors their residuals for the, episode because they don't do reruns anymore like they used. To Our Fleet academy didn't get twenty eight days before they canceled, it SO i don't know what numbers they were, using but they clearly didn't use the twenty eight days to make their. Decision the decision must have been made prior to, that and they just waited to tell. Us BECAUSE i got a couple of other stories here that we're going to skip.

1:56:19 Over there's a lot to enfold in this and we'll talk in great detail about it next. Week but. It's Take nataro's, birthday AND i do have a story THAT i want to read about her because it just she's wonderful AND i want to read this. Story taken The taro reveals she did a show topless after her double. Masectomy tagnataro has gone through some serious ordeals in her, life including nearly dying of sea dip infection in twenty, twelve losing her mother to a, fall and being diagnosed with bilateral breast, cancer all within a. Year the, actress, author and stand up comedian says she still can't help but find the funny in, everything even after undergoing a double misectomy at the. Time, quote AFTER i had a double, missectomy the comedian me kept hearing a voice in my, head you should do a show. Topless you should do a show. Topless AND i was, LIKE i can't do a show, Topless materio. Said she added that the idea kept popping in the point WHERE i was. Distracted every TIME i was, Performing i'd be, LIKE i should take my shirt. OFF i should take my shirt. Off she was worried that it would seem like she was just, Saying, Hey i'm trying to milk, something so to, speak in her dry tone like, way beyond.

1:57:46 The fact that she had her. Surgery but then she, thought, no this is. Relevant even way down the. Road she did in. Fact do a show, topless but she didn't say anything to the audience about her. Scar she just took her shirt off and continued the. Act in the middle of the, SHOW i took my shirt off. And didn't acknowledge. IT i, Thought, oh that's what funny is, about talking about airplane, travel which is the least respective comedy topic within comedian. Conversations AND i, thought that'll be. Great i'll do hacky material with my shirt off and reveal my misectamy scars and won't acknowledge, it and that WAY i can make a, statement make it, funny. Hopefully nataro, continued she wasn't comfortable for a while after my, surgery but then she came to think about it. Differently THEN i, realized my scars just represent that my body has, healed she.

1:58:42 Continued so you, KNOW i think that's an incredibly brave thing for her to, do AND i think it sends a message to all the women out there who are suffering through breast cancer and that had had misectamies that you, know Take nataro just owned it and, said, hey this is. Me this is what kind of like sha like Like Captain kirk said In Star trek, FIVE i need my. PAIN i stuck that in, there and, yeah that's. AWESOME i, THINK i think that is. Great AND i have nothing but but admiration For. TIGNATARO i think she's an incredible. WOMAN i think she's a great, actress AND i think it takes heart and soul to do, that AND i, COME i JUST i can't SAY I i commemorate her tremendously for doing that and being part of Our Star trek family to. Boot so thank you To, tignataro and, that believe it brings us right up.

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