Episode 627- Comic Corner - Section 31 one-shot and Lower Decks #1

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0:47 I'm coming to my services. Now we talk about the series, howe be Homeless? Throwing down. Well, good evening trekkies and trekkers around the globe. But it's Thursday, March thirteenth, twenty twenty five. Welcome the Truk Talking, Episode six hundred and twenty seven. Wow, unbelievable, six hundred and twenty seven. I'm your most excellent host, uncle Jim. And before we go too far, I'd like to go down the line and introduce you to my awesome Truk sperts.

1:31 And we'll start out with Eric. Eric is out in Portland. How you doing tonight? Eric? I'm doing just great. How you doing? We were just talking with Charles about palm trees in his backyard, and I was like totally amazed because I don't have palm trees in my backyard. So I don't know if it's like it is in LA. But I know that palm trees are not native to LA and that they were brought in to fancify the joint. I'm not sure if the same is true in Las Vegas or not. Yeah, it's we found out that that scorpions live in palm trees and that Charles has to be careful because there's scorpions around his backyard. So we did not know that.

2:11 So see, it's not just fun, it's educational. So anyways, and sticking out in Portland, we're going to swing over and say hello to Paul. He's our resident toy expert. How you doing tonight, Paul. I'm great. And last week we had a really good show. We talked to Ben Robinson and yeah, if you guys missed that show, you want to go back and check it out. It was a lot of fun. Ben teased some stuff to us that was sitting on his desk but couldn't show us, so we'll just have to wait and see. And also hanging out in Portland as a very own miracle worker. David. How you doing tonight, David Miracles? And then we're going to swing out to Las Vegas where Charles has palm trees, scorpions hanging out. How you doing.

3:03 I'm doing all right, a little wind blowing in the studio, be but hanging in there. At least the rain staying away for now. No scorpions in the backyard. No scorpions in the backyard. But I know other places in the city that do worry about scorpions. Wow. Wow, I'll take my pine trees. Thank you. So, guys, you can head over to trek Talking dot com. You can click on the blue talkback mic in the bottom right here in the corner, and you can leave us a message and tell Eric how awesome his hat is if you'd like, or tell David you love his triple, or tell a story to Charles about his scorpions and palm trees, or you can tell Paul about the latest toy that you picked up at the at the latest convention.

3:48 We'd love to hear from you, guys. Just click on the blue talkback mic and leave us a message. Tell us anything you want and we will play it on the next podcast you guys. While you're there, you can click on the Patreon link which you'll find there, and you can go over to Patreon and for two dollars a month, you can actually see the video of what we're recording right now. All of our podcasts are now recorded not only in audio, but in video format as well. And our very own David, he's our miracle worker, and he works up these awesome slide shows and pictures which you're obviously not seeing right now because you're listening to us on radio. But if you head over to Patreon, for only two bucks a month, you can watch all these awesome videos, So please do that if you have a chance. Tonight's show, Comic Corner is back, baby. Yeah, it's been a long long time since we did Comic Corner, but it's time to resurrect it. And tonight we're gonna be talking about Section thirty one, one shot issue, and we're gonna be talking about lower Decks number one, both great comics and we're gonna get into them in just a little while. We also have our fan shoutouts. That's our segment where we thank our fans all around on the globe just like you, so you want to check that out. We also have some poll questions this week.

5:06 Commodore April has to make a very difficult choice in Star Trek the animated series, and Riker has a real moral dilemma that he has to face. So I wonder what those could be. You'll have to check it out on our Star Trek pull questions to find out. We also have our Star Trek Birthdays. You can find out what Star Trek actor you share a Star Trek birthday ways. We also have Star Trek News. What's going around on the Star Trek universe. We have Shatner says what and another Star Trek actress wins an oscar and we're not talking about Michelle Yo. It's somebody different And will Captain Janeway return to Live action Star Trek. I wonder you're gonna have to listen to Star Trek News to find out.

5:48 When you go over to our Facebook page, you'll see at the top a pin post asking where you're listening from, tell us where you're listening from, leave some emojis, and then listen to Trek Talking fan shout outs to find out if your name is mentioned. Eric you want to get us started with our fan shout outs. Absolutely, we're gonna spin that globe and head over to New Zealand to start out with and say hello. And thank you so much for listening to Rich Hosking who said hello to us from that amazing part of the world. Thanks Rich for saying hello. I hope to visit your continent one of these days. It looks really amazing down there. Also saying hello this week to Ashley Hedges, who's in Milton Keynes in the UK. We have tons and tons of supporters just across the pond, and I think the podcast considers them friends. And thank you Ashley for being part of that community. We really appreciate your support. Also saying hello this week to Ruy Gonklavist, who's saying hello to us from liz Boa, Portugal. It's been Portugal one of those places that has some really stunningly amazing architecture if you start digging into it, in particular from the night in early two thousands, there's some really cool stuff in there. So Rue, thank you so much for saying hello to us from that amazing place in the world.

7:07 And last but not least, on my list, I'm saying hello and Copla this week to Selma Lopez Geronimo, who's saying hello to us from Rio de Janeiro, one of those places that we often see in movies because it has that amazing statue, but lots of other cool stuff going on there in Brazil. Thank you so much for listening to our podcast, and Charles, I'd like to hand this shout out megaphone over to you, sir. Thank you. Eric. Let's start off with a warm welcome to Randy Holme's coats Bustin, oh trying to get more to warm up. Warm welcome to Paul Eikenberg from Plino, Texas.

7:52 Welcome Paul. Now, welcome to Lakota spoolman from right here in Las Vegas. Name is Sam Tamlier, but you should look us up, especially look up the USS Las Vegas. And a warm welcome to Lincoln William Stetler from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Welcome Lincoln, and let's toss his microphone over to David. Thank you, child. I would like to say warm welcome and thank you to Joe. I'm probably gonna stay this wrong, but buonao, I think it's how you pronounced it. From Roseberg Oregan and another one. Welcome to Rita Honande from Michigan.

8:41 And guess what, guys, we got somebody from Portland, Oregon. Yes, and that is Joey Taylor. I would like to give you a warm welcome and thank you for listening to us. And last time I list page Chris braun Matter from Ohio, USA. Thank you all for listening, and I'm gonna send this microphone over to Paul. Thanks David. Why don't we say how to eat to some fans and Star Trek enthusiasts from other parts of the globe outside of North and South America. First of all, I'd like to say hello to our fan lis Green Larson from the highly unlikely named town of Middle Fart, Denmark.

9:25 I am praying that is a typo, but you never know where are you from. I'm from Middle Fart, so I'll have to look into that and see if that's If that's true. I know that sometimes the scripts we read off here are rather quickly put together, so one never knows what one will be reading. But perhaps that's true. We'll have to check in. Town. I just it really is middle Party, So is there an early fart and later fart? Potentially it seems that the bridge, it seems that there should be if there's a middle fart. But there you go. So wow, the things you'll learn from this podcast are just astonishing. A different continent, but wonderful to go there Wangerai, New Zealand, where our friend Cain Davis is saying, how are you from?

10:16 Great to know we have fans down in that he usphere as well. Johanna Gruzzlak is saying hello from Zebnika, Poland with their flag proudly displayed. Hello, Johanna, It's great to hear from you. And then just down the road in Arago, Switzerland, it's Saffron c Q. Hello Saffron, and thanks for being a Star Trek fan, Uncle Jim. What about you? Well, I'm going to come back here to the United States and say hello and thank you to Evelyn Danafrio who's listening to us in North Carolina and flying the American flag very proudly. I don't know about that these days, but welcome to the show, Evelyn. I also want to say thank you to Susan Kingston, YO, who's listening to us in the Big Apple, New York City. Represent Thank you so much. Susan. We also want to say hello and thank you to Lily Bennett who's listening to us in Norfolk, Virginia. And last but not least on my list, we want to send out a hardy coup Lah and Live long and prosper to James Angers, who's listening to us in Maine. And now it is time for Star Trek polls, which means we have to play the poll in.

11:28 Song Linn you know me like no Wind, but you thought about the show, Len. We try. To share your opinions with all of our minions out there because they. Listen Worldwie, So tell us just what you think. Get together we will alter Canara and Robby lyn An. God, I just love that theme song. Yeah, I do, I Do, I do. So every week on our Facebook page, I try to come up with an interesting question to ask you guys to see what you the fans think. Have their fingers on the pulse of Star Trek. Sometimes they're good polls, sometimes they're not so Eric. What do our minions have to say this week?

12:25 Oh man, we are starting out with a poll from one of the best unsung series out there. In the animated series episode The Counterclock incident commodore April. That's right, that April facing retirement is given the choice of becoming young again and forgetting everything he knows, or retiring with his wife. Do you agree with his decision to not remain young? And eighty percent of our poll responders said yes, April made the right decision, and only twenty percent thought that he should have taken that fountain of youth and gotten young instead. I will say I'm one hundred percent on board with April because I think growing old with your wife is one of the coolest things that you can do in life, So I agree with his decision.

13:17 Yeah, this is if I remember correctly. You guys can correct me if I'm wrong. But because I haven't seen this movie in ages, but I believe this was the same question that Ron Howard asked in Cocoon, wasn't it? Yeah? I mean kind of yeah. In Cocoon, they found those cocoons in the pool that made them get younger, But when they got younger, they didn't know the things that they knew when they were older. Am I right or wrong? It's been a long time. Well, I don't know if they lost knowledge. I can't it has been a while for me too, But but I do think that they're the crux of this question is that there is knowledge gained and experience gained as one gets older. And to who you know, simply erase that is maybe a dubious proposition.

14:05 I don't know. Yeah, I agree. I agree with the eighty percent of our I'm sorry, eighty eight percent of our minions that said he made the right choice in growing old and retiring with his wife rather than getting young and forgetting everything. So I'm with our I'm with our minions. How about you, Paul, Oh, Paul, you're muted, buddy. I know a solution to that. Let's see, what would be the point of being young if you have nothing of value to think about? So it's just one of I don't know, it just seems it's one of those you know, choices that just seems a little pointless because it's like, you know, of course, everyone I mean, I can't imagine. I'd love to talk to the person who oh, I'd like to stay young, but have no thoughts in my head and no memories of anything, And I mean, what were you thinking? But you know, everyone's different, clearly, So I don't know. But yeah, I would be in the eighty percent group because it's like, you know, it's a youth is really overrated from my opinion. A right, it's I wouldn't go back to my youth for any freaking amount of money you could name. All right, Nope, that's a big note.

15:22 Nope, nope, all right. How about you, Charles, Are you with our minions or against arminions? I agree with our minions? Do I really want to sit there? It's like, yeah, being young, it'd be nice that have achy knees anymore, But to give up my past wouldn't be worth it. Too many good memories in my past, too much, too much of growing up with sci fi, and all of a sudden forgetting all the sci fi I have seen after we watch it over. Yeah, but then you get to relive it for the first time again. Yes, but then I don't have the memories that sit there watching Next Generation.

16:03 With my mom. True. True. And now we get to come to David, who already is young. So I guess it's a different question for David. I just shaved, so I look young, but technically I'm not all that young. I have to agree with the eighty percent folk because I just realized what that question how we read and I was just thinking, why would you want to grow young again and forget everything you want without your wife being there? So it's like, no, that's not a. Thing for me. All right, So our truck. Yeah, experts are with the minions on this one, all right, unanimous? All right, Eric, what's our next one? All right?

16:51 Our next one is an episode eighteen of the second season of Next Generation Up the Long Ladder, Riker kills a clone of himself with no real moral dilemma. Do you agree with his decision? And eighty eight percent of our responders said yes, they agree with Riker's decision to kill his clone, and twelve percent said no. And I would guess that at least twenty five percent of that twelve percent is me because despite the fact that mister tim Russ himself says that it was correct to kill Neelix, I still am not so sure myself. A different episode, but same concept.

17:36 Yeah. Well, the reason why I put this one out there is because, you know, is the is the clone of Riker a life form? Does the clone of Riker have a right to exist independently of Riker? And the fact that Riker just pulled out his phaser and just killed him without any remorse or or really anything. He just just killed them cold blooded murder. So I guess I'm with I'm with the twelve percent too. Wow, I mean I have to I think you have to go back to I mean, Star Trek luckily has answered this question for us, right if you go back to the episode Measure of a Man, where sentience is defined by Data and Riker during Data's trial, and if a being comes into being and his sentient and they're just oft because they happen to be a copy of somebody else, is that a moral decision? I think Measure of a Man taught us that it's not.

18:40 Yeah, I think that remember this episode correctly. It's been a long time too. I think Riker was pissed off because he was cloned illegally. Not illegally, but they kidnapped him and then cloned him without his knowledge or you know, approval, So he felt that he had a right to just kill the clone because he never gave it permission to exist in the first place. If I remember the episode correctly, and I just think that murder is murder, period, I mean. That to me, presumes some sort of ownership over the clone. I understand that you do have ownership over your own DNA, And I think is these you know, as time goes by and technology increases, these sorts of questions are going to come up more often. I actually just saw a movie that sort of explores this a little bit too.

19:37 I can't gosh, it's in the movie theater right now, and I can't think of the name. It's something seventeen. I can't remember the guy's name, but basically he gets killed off over and over and over again. Oh yeah, and yeah, it's like, what are the moral implications of just cloning somebody's DNA and making another person that's just liked them? I don't know. Yeah, I mean I this brings up the question cloning yourself so that you can harvest your organs for yourself. Yeah, that was also in an episode exactly. See they're all connected. Yeah, sot lot to unpack here.

20:17 What about you, Paul, If if you found out that there was another Paul running around out there, would you just go and bump them off? It's called time management, brother, I would have so much more free time in my schedule because I would I would work out a you know, a relationship with my clone, so that there were things I wanted to do and there were things I did not want to do, and we would you know, I would convince him to you otherwise. More importantly, though, up the Long Ladder? Is this that really kind of painful to sit through? Like kind of Irish Brigadoon episode of Star Trek the Next Generation where there's a lot of really question raised a lot of really questionable Irish accents being put around John Nukecard. Yet if I could ever sit through that episode again, it was incredibly painful. I mean, it was like bad you know, bad community theater. I'm just like, you know, if the Clones got one of those Birish Irish accents, I say, off them, but you know if he doesn't. If he doesn't, then you know we'll talk. But you know, I mean that was just like, I mean, it's one of those episodes the days of syndication when like Next Gen was on five days a week, right, and you'd be, oh, hopefully it's a good one. Hopefully it's a good one. Right, It'll be like, oh cool, it's you know, conspiracy or whatever.

21:33 Right then you come on and this one comes on, You're like, oh, guess I'm going to the bar. So's I can't handle it? Man, bad episode. It was a bad episode, but it still had a moral question. They all did all these episodes. Every start trek has a moral question. Most of them like ninety nine percent right? But so are you with our minions that he made the right choice or not? I think he probably. You know, it's a short sighted choice, right, you know, murders stupid. You know, it just shows that you're like, you know, I don't have enough brain power to figure out a better solution. I would say it was a stupid choice. So I guess I'll answer answer B.

22:17 You can take some of the percentages away from you know, the higher number. All right, how about you, Charles? So far our truck sports are against dominions. We all fall in the twelve percent category. What about you? Okay? I nice to remember back in a college course for ethics, we actually did a group project talking about cloning. And this was back in the ear when Dolly was being clone and the ethics of cloning animals to duplicate them. I'm also thinking back in this episode, part of what's happening with the society was they had access to this colony who I think was losing where they lived. It had to be transported up the ship, and they were like, but we want to just sit there and clone and keep within our own community. We don't want to sit there and expand our genetic code. And they were thinking, well, we make the solution by sitting there and cloning these crew members from the Enterprise, so we can sit there and put good stock into our genetic code without semi permission. Now, I think maybe with permission they might be to do something.

23:48 But when you sit there and capture these people and clone them without even getting permission, I could see where Riker was getting bad. And the thing is they're being total to think, well, yes, but you've got this Irish stock that needs up like to stay and is ready to sit there and add good genetic code to your society. And I think it was just push. Go ahead. Eric. Sorry, I was just gonna ask you a question. So, based on the class that you took where you talked about this sort of stuff, So let's say that Riker was cloned but he never found out that he was cloned.

24:34 Does that change the ethics of it at all? I think there's still an ethical issue of cloning somebody without their position, their permitsure of their knowledge. Look at how much it's gonna have. Look at how much issues we had with Thomas Riker that was that was, that was a conflict. Yes, he was the right to live, but he also sat there joined the Maquis and really had some problems and used Riker to try to push his way through a situation though you shouldn't have been in. So I'm going to kind of follow with the minions on this one that I think he did it do the ef fact of do other people have right to sit there and clone me throwing clone ourselves maybe and have maybe the ability to do something to be able to have a relationship. But in that case, I don't think they even had a relationship with would have had a relationship with those clones. So they were just genetic stock to sit there and keep. Because you can bring too often you start bringing uh problems to the gene code.

25:58 What if you create eat? Not to belabor this, but like I love the idea of talking about someday, what if you create a digital copy? You know, is that different from a from a physical copy. There's all sorts of like layers of this conversation that I think are really interesting. Okay, I reckon, we don't have to do now. But no, I know. There's a book out there and I can't remember the full title of it, but I like the titon subtitle we Are Bob, and it goes into that. It's an interesting conversation, interesting because there's drift and change between clones.

26:45 Yeah, so you're you're You're with the truck Spurts on this one. No, I'm with I'm with the Minions. On this one. You're with the Minions. All right, well how about you? Are you a truck Spurt? Are you a truck Spurt or a Minion this week? So honestly, I have completely forgotten about this episode. I didn't realize Riker was cloned before before Riker not Thomas, so I when I read this, I was like, wait, he killed off Thomage. I don't remember that, But uh, I don't know. I honestly think that cloning is a very strange topic. I mean, when it comes to an actual life for him, sure, there might be some ethical stuff in there, but when it comes to just growing parts, like what if somebody needed a new arm, you know, or a liver or you know, any kind of organ.

27:43 So I don't know that that's completely separate back there, of course. But to me, I think I kind of agree with the trust works here that if they if he found out without uh here content of people cloning him, I think he had to write to go ahead and kill the clone because, like what Eric said, if you are, if you are in charge of your DNA, that clone, it's also a part of you as well. So technically is it the same person? I have insens? Yeah, I know, but you have to write to your own DNA though, so I don't know. It's an interesting topic, but I would have to say I'm actually with the text Church on this one.

28:33 So it's a nope. All right. So there you have it. There's our there's our poll questions for this week, and I'm glad that we had a conversation about it because that's that's the whole purpose of these polls is to think about things that maybe you wouldn't think about otherwise. You know, if you haven't seen it, Jim, you got to watch Similitude season three, episode ten of Start Trek Enterprise, which deals with this exact situation. I think we had a pull question about. Is that the one where the doctor lets the whole race die? No, this is the one where Trip clones a body, or somebody clones a body for Trips so that they can use its organs to help Trip live oh walking.

29:18 Lab basically. Wow. So Star Trek has this cloning issue quite frequently apparently. Well, I think that Charles is right. The whole purpose of this was there was there was five or six clones and they couldn't reproduce anymore, and they actually had to go up to the ship and have sex with the Irish women, and they didn't want to do it. So that's why they stole Riker and they stole these people and whatnot. It's a cheesy episode, but I like the moral question about it. So all right, guys, that wraps up our Star Trek polls. Head over to our Facebook page and make sure you answer this week's polls. All right, you guys, miss Low Yes, I know I do a lot of people miss Lower Decks. Well, luckily for us, there's a Lower Decks comic book. And uh yeah, so we're going to talk about issue number one. I think they just put out issue number five. Yes, Yeah, so we are a couple of issues behind, but not that far behind. So who wants to get us started on Lower Decks issue number one? Paul? You want to start us on this one?

30:33 Sure? Okay, we are we recapping or how do you want to? How do you want to handle it. Anyway that you want to? It's okay, it's a freelance deal. Yeah. I would say this is a pretty decent issue for the most part. I mean, I think they it's it's interesting because it's like if you're in a comic shop, uh, trying to shrack this down. They had done a whole earlier series of Lower Decks comics, and so there is another issue one out there that will cause some confusion for folks that was done earlier in their run, and so they're kind of rebooting the U the uh, the whole title, if you will, right, I think kind of in tandem with right around the same time period that the show ended, right, And I just want to grab some notes here, guys, so bear with me. But basically things kind of start off with like what I would almost equate with like a montage, right of like about four or five one page kind of jokey episodes where it seems like something bad is going to happen, right, and that there's an issue. You know, these missions keep happening that seem like they'll be perilous and exciting, but nothing ever really comes of them, and everything just resolves itself kind of organically and quickly. Right, So it's like no big whoop, right there you go. And so as a result of that, Mariner is kind of pining for something to happen. She's pining away for a real adventure to occur, and she hopes that will be the case.

32:01 I'm looking at my issue here right now to make sure I'm on tap with everything. So and then to me, it's like one of the funniest bits on here. And I think, first of all, for me, kudos to Ryan North who wrote this. Because the characters all speak very much in the same you know style that we're used to them talking in on the show, right, So it's done with a lot of fealty and affection, which is great. But they stumble across this area of space that they called the Delta triangle. It's like a Bermuda triangle in space. Right. And then this may sound a little familiar to folks, right, who were fans of previous iterations of Star Trek, And then you realize about midway through this section that what they're doing is they're kind of having fun and mining some content from one of the original episodes of the animated series, right that they even you refer to by name time Trap, right. I believe it was right from the first season. And it's actually pretty funny because they get a hold of like Kirk's captain's log, right, and they're totally riffing on the fact that, you know, everyone's commenting on it, like why why is he leading the camera and doing his log so close up? Right, So they're having fun with all of the kind of commenting, you know, breaking the walls there to talk about like, you know, the style in which they were done, and kind of like in the animated style of nineteen seventy three, right where it's like, wait a minute, it's his captain's log.

33:33 He was talking to the camera, but all of a sudden, there's this external footage from way out in space showing ships and where would that come from? And they're trying to like rationalize how all this is And I thought that was that was really, you know, fun in that fourth wall breaking kind of way because they're having a lot of amusing points of that and they realize this ship is like an earlier precursor of the Constitution class ships, right, one that Mariner recognizes as the name escapes me the baram Venturer. Yeah, the US's Bond or the S the Barn of Venture a whole different, but it's like from like the early styles of you know, pre Constitution class or whatever, and a lot of people into the different classes the ships or whatever, and so they're like, Okay, we don't understand how it got out of this time trap kind of deal and what happened, and we're going to go over there in our environmental suits. We're going to figure out what's going on. And they and they do when they go over there, and not a lot happens.

34:35 Things seem to keep happening without great explanations once they're in there, and then all of a sudden, the ship just you're like, how did the ship get out of the time trap? And how did these systems come on? And why are other systems not coming on? And then at the end of the I think David had a panel up there from it. Right at the very end of the issue, right, all of a sudden, people seem to just like be bleeping out of existence and the ship just goes to warp and Ransom sitting there going what the hell happened? What's going on? Right? So I found the first half of this issue more satisfying than the second half, really, But I mean it really shouldn't be denigrated for that, because as the issue ends, right, it says to be continued. So it's just, you know, it's a monthly title. You don't really get the resolution of the story because they're not standalone titles. They're connected through here, so you're gonna have to get issued too to really find out. But I thought the whole bit commenting on animated series Kirk was hilarious. I thought that was really really fun and enjoyable. Something I did not think that worked. I think they've done this in previous issues.

35:40 Visual aids I think are helpful. At the bottom of just about every page for the first half of the comic, there's some wacky banter that gets put on there, kind of like a little editorial kind of commentary, almost like they're trying to do those little asides like Stanley used to do in Marvel. Right, hey, editor's perspective on this thing here, and those really fell flat. I don't think that they serve much purpose at all. It is trying to, you know, squeeze in some extra jokes, but they weren't funny and they didn't really serve much purpose, and so I would have I found them really distracting, and every time I went down to read one, I felt that it, you know, kind of sucked the momentum out of my experience with the issue. So a good start, I think I'm curious to see where it goes. An issue too, which I've not read yet. Some of these are piling up. Yeah, there's people just winking out of existence in front of Ransom there kind of weird to me. As soon as they get over to the Bottom Venture, right, all of a sudden, Mariner basically has nothing to do. She's been the main character in the first half of the issue, complaining about, oh, I wish I had a real adventure.

36:45 I wish I had a real adventure, right bemowning all that. But then once they're over on the bottom Venture and the adventure starts, I don't think she has two lines of dialogue, and she's basically kind of, you know, really relegated to you know, background status. So I'll be curious what happens with her, and I'm that she'll move more to the forefront of the story to have an adventure. When that happens, there's a bit of a red herring involving the Holely Deck, but I don't know if that's going to pay off or not, so we'll wait and see. But that's what I thought, so kind of fun, you know, and it's nice to be able to have if folks really like lower decks and the show's gone now presumably unless somebody picks it up somewhere else. It's kind of nice that our good friends at IDW, who've been cranking out Star Trek for a quarter century, are finding a way to keep going and still provide more lower decks content for folks. Because it plays like an episode, you know, it reads like an episode for the most part, and there's a lot of the same fun tweaking existing parts of the franchise. So that's me I absolutely agree, Paul.

37:44 To me, this felt like I was reading an episode just like the previous comic books that we talked about Dracula. Yes, and they mentioned Dracula in this particular episode comic as well. That was the original I think it was a three part comic, was it, Eric? I think I think that's right. It might have been. I can't remember off the top of my head. Yeah it was. It was a short three three okay, And we get to see holographic Dracula, and I like the fact that they reference that in this book, so you can go back and check that out if you want to know what they're talking. I want to see holographic Dracula hanging out with holographic Frankenstein. They mentioned it in the comic book, but we didn't actually get to ever see it. But yeah, I agree with Paul. This really felt like I was watching an episode.

38:34 It was. It was phenomenal lower decks. I think is perfect for the comic book medium. And I think that these writers know their characters and they catch them perfect. I mean, there's this whole thing at the beginning with Tahana where they have some type of galactic measles outbreak or or or some type of virus, and she's doing her f ing thing and F this and f that and complete Tahna style, and she she cures the whole virus in a matter of what so I mean. I thought that was great because that's so Tahna. Unlike Paul, though, I did enjoy the little the little I don't know what the hell you call him, the things on the bottom of the page from the writers. I enjoyed that as a little little side thing. And I really like the fact that they referenced Tos and they actually talked about the Enterprise being mounted on top of the Klingon ship and the Gorn and the Klingons and stuff like that.

39:38 I really really enjoyed it. So I personally can't recommend this issue enough. I thought the artwork was great. I thought the characterizations they felt like their characters. You know, Tendy didn't really have a lot to do in this one and Rutherford didn't have a lot really to do in this one. But like Paul said, this is only part one of part two, and this is going to be a monthly ongoing thing, so who knows if they're even gonna wrap this up in the next issue. It might go on for another issue, who knows. But I personally highly recommend it. I thought it was great. The artwork was great, the characterizations were great, and I recommend it. So how about you, Charles.

40:22 Okay, actually looking at my comic, I love how we get this twenty mints of things and I'm gonna break the wall up and said He's at the bottom starring Tiana as herself and she successfully clears off this virus. And then I love the episodes where it's like, ah, the Crito's encounter, you go for two all cells, I watch tower a couple of cells. Can we do this three times? And I like how we kind of go.

41:04 It's like, oh, we're gonna have this avenger and nothing happens, and that's where we kind of get married. It's like, okay, nothing's going on. That's just boring. Nothing really occurs during this. They think that they're gonna have this big occurrence. They walk on the bridge and it's like, oh gee, there's a Tos reference and it's like and we see just a screen. It's like, oh, we're in a Christmas tree. It's like, oh yeah, some higher being is playing around with another another creature. Again, it's like, okay, go to your room. It's like, no, we're doing something. No, we're not going to do anything. They think maybe the hall, they think maybe the holid deck is where they sit there and maybe get something going on, and the captain lets them know, Oh, there's something you want to see.

42:08 Oh you're trying to get our hopes up again, aren't you. I thought you might one adventure And I love how Mariner comes in and recognize the ship. And I believe it was something like an old warp for ship, but the people recognized it. We're okay, we're five, but I think it was two point. But they were talking about the fact that it was after Enterprise but before the Constant of the Constitutions came out, which I thought was an interesting ship. It's a oh that's an ugly ship.

42:49 It's like, it's an interesting looking ship. But definitely, I just thought I liked that you other bringing this odd ship in and and don't want to investigate it and how it came to be and workers from there. I like what they do with this episode. I actually have caught up to issue four, but I like what they're done with the series so far, looking forward to cracking open five. I've had an issue with Amazon. It's like, okay, Paul says, if you're five now it's like, why didn't I get it? It's like, Okay, my subscription didn't work for some reason. Okay, download it, get in my collection so I can read it. But another good episode, Greg, glad to see IDW's keeping going. Now.

43:45 Isn't the USA. Isn't the bond Adventure the ship that crashed in Return of the Arkons? No, it was the starship ARCon in the Return of the Archons, right, That's why they were called the Archives, Because I. Swear the Bonta Venture was mentioned on a TOS episode, but we never saw this ship. Was that the Patterns of Forrest? Was that the ship I thought mentioned in A Yeah it sounds familiar to me, but I don't seem it was in A. Well, Paul mentioned the TAS episode that it was in. Yeah, I know I've heard it, all right, David, what do you think I enjoyed it.

44:29 I'm not much of a comic enthusis the rest of my trust first, sure, but I actually enjoyed it. I laughed, I cried, kidding, okay, but you know it was really fun. I enjoyed it. It told me a while to try and figure out because I don't really read comments and try. I tried to figure out like which line bubble came first, trying to figure out like, okay, so who's talking here? And so then I realized you have to go from like a regular book left right. So it was just kind of like trying to follow the diagrams and everything. So it was a little interesting, but I I laughed out loud the moment. I believe it was either mayor No or to Anna who mentioned something about the ship having eyes like you can see right here.

45:23 About the fact that she had a model of it when she was a kid. Okay, Yeah, so yeah, that was pretty funny. And then of course, like Paul reference already the Mudle the triangle, which is a reference here as the delta triangle, So I thought that was kind of funny. And then of course, yeah, I agree with you guys. This the style of the writing, the word they used two uh like they did in the show, which really spot on. I really enjoyed reading, and I just kind of hewing in my head what the voice sounded like as I would read The Bubbles and Chuff Show. It would just kind of it was a pretty interesting comic. And the next comic that we talk about, though, I'll talk you about that when it comes along. But other than that, yeah, I enjoyed it.

46:20 It was really fun. You guys touched on a lot of Q point shot and yeah, I would recommend it. I recommend it to myself. All right, well, Eric, you got to hear what all our trucks berts had to say, and you get to bring up the caboose with the final thoughts. Yeah, I mean, not too much more to add. I will say that for me. Ryan North is one of my favorite comic book writers. He and I mentioned this, of course every time we read one of his comics, but he's the genius behind Squirrel Girl, my personal favorite superhero and series of comics. There's a lot of fourth wall breaking that happens in those comics, and there's a lot of fourth wall breaking that happens as as Paul already mentioned in this particular issue. So I like that, and I don't. I think the way that I tend to read these comics is I sort of read them through without reading the little subtexts underneath at the bottom of the page, and then the second time I read it through, I check those out. It is kind of another layer of jokes layered on top of other things, So I don't I don't mind those. I do think they can be a little bit distracting from the story if you're not used to that kind of style of writing.

47:33 So yeah, I pretty much agree with everything that you guys said. I thought the story moved really well. I thought the art was really good. It's compelling, it's funny. I laughed out loud several times. One of the things that IDW does these days in a few of their comics, which I wish, I wish they would realize that, like some people in their fifties and sixties are reading these moments, is that they put the very first page. They always do this summary and the summariason like two point font like I have to practically pull out my magnifying glass to even read what's going on, and it makes the graphics of it all look really cool. I think this is the world of four K invading our comic books, right, Like, if you have a seventy two inch television in front of you, you can have really tiny writing and little tiny details in the background and you can still see them.

48:25 But when I'm reading a comic that's this big, I'm sorry I can't read two point font so I kind of wish that they would update that just a little bit. But you know, maybe the kids love it. I don't know, so I totally dug. I totally dug this issue. So many great jokes. I love that they did the animated series stuff in the animated series style, you know, and the jokes that various people rip out, whether it's Billups or Mariner or anybody, are almost always landed to me. There's the one that I think Paul mentioned something about when he's put in the when they're talking about the kirk Logs, there's this scene where where our favorite Vulcan says something like, I do not understand where they got this footage from. So that these comics have a tendency to say the things that I think we're all thinking, and this issue in particular, I think brings in like four or five different kind of like well that was kind of weird in Star Trek moments and sort of like canonizes them in different ways. So I don't know.

49:40 I appreciate the knowledge of Ryan North as the writer to kind of like be able to bring enough that I assume he has a team of people who's also helping him kind of bring this information in and help the jokes land. So anyway, I thought it was a fantastic issue. I just really enjoyed it and and I can't wait to read more. All right, So that wraps up our review of Lower Decks issue number one. And Eric, since you brought up the caboos, do you want to be the engine for the section thirty one one? Shot? Ooh? I can. I feel like this is one of Paul's special skills though. Okay, well do you want to give us a summary?

50:22 I can, yeah, if you want. Yeah, I don't want to be You're particularly good at this, so I don't like to be a monopolizer. Yeah, but then I recind your offer, Eric, and we'll send it over to Paul. Cool. All right, so section thirty one all right? And I gotta be honest, it was really I mean, I get every single Star Trek comic that there is in my subscription box at the comic shot right. I'm like, if it is Star Treker, Star Wars on it, just subscribe me, right, I want all of it. But I know when this came out, I was like, oh God, because I really was not a fan of like the Section thirty one movie. Right, I was like, oh man, this is gon and it felt thick to me, and I'm like, this is gonna be a big ass story I'm not going to enjoy, right, And I'm like, ah, so not looking forward to it.

51:07 And WHOA breaking news. I enjoyed this so much more than I was expecting to. For the main reason is I was really concerned that it was going to involve a lot of the main story of the Section thirty one movie with those characters like you know, Snarf and Douche or whatever the hell their names were, right, or Wacky Band of Galaxy of the Guardian miscreants, right, And there was basically it was all the whole issue, you know, aside from a little button thing at the beginning. In the end, right, was this is all going back flashback to that Terran Empire recruit training that we had those flashbacks for in the Section thirty one movie, right, which was the best part of the Section thirty one movie. Right, All that stuff, right, very very flashback, and that's ninety percent of the content, if not more, in this year.

52:04 And I thought that was really interesting, right. I mean, it's derivative, right, because the whole Terran Empire thing basically is they go through this thing called the winnowing, right, which is basically, you know, kind of separating the chaff from the wheat of your cadet class. Who's got the chops to be a cold blooded, merciless killer and endure enough to become you know, you have to be the biggest bastard ever in order to be willing to be emperor, sort of like the way they do it in like the Republican Party, I would say, you know, except there these it's a little bit more sharp knives, but there you go, so similar kind of thing there, very Hunger Games influenced, right, and I don't think anybody would deny that, right.

52:46 So just have to go through all these different trials of the winnowing involving various you know, attacking your classmates thing in order to determine who is the emperor. And it's a lot like what we got in the Origin story from the movie, because they're the same character. Right. It was the yin Yang deal between Giorgio and Son, right, who's sort of her kindred first and two of us and one perfectly timed David two but one right, the whole thing. It's basically, you know, kind of part of the movie rendered his comic book form, but it's a little bit more in depth because we get to see this really mean instructor, right, the proctor that they have, who like, you know, kills one of Georgia's friendly classmates right in front of her and blood splashes on her face. Right, So you got to love that, right, So that was kind of cool. Right. So this is the fact that it was all focused on that whole thing, even though it was like a little recycled from what you see in the movie. I think this might have done well if it was published before the section thirty one movie came out. Friends, I think this seems like not what I would call the best marketing synergy here, because this seems sort of tired and didn't.

53:58 Feel like it was delayed or something. The timing was all awesome. Yeah, yeah, because if you read this before, you'd be like, oh, sweet cool getting it behind the scenes about Georgia, and you don't. You're not burdened down by Douche or any of those other characters, right that are part of the modern timeline. You know that we're not very memorable for me, for me, but so much more enjoyable than I thought it would be. And then there's like the reason the issue feels so heavy is the last, like you know, nine or ten pages, there's this giant, excessive amount of like gallery portraits, right, which IDW loves to give you those, right, So there's just tons of extra pages of stuff to check out there. But better than I thought it would be, even though it is really a recap the from the movie Arran Empire training sounds pretty graphic and fairly brutal and a lot of sharp knives and stuff like that.

54:54 So I had fun with it. I was. I was just glad that it focused where it did and not on the stuff with the you know, the current crop of freewheeling miscreants that the section thirty one movie did. I just want to point out seeing that screen right there where the red vertical bars are, that was really done well. I want to point that out because I like that, because David was talking about trying to understand sometimes how comics what's going on. Whenever you see the red bar, you know, that's Georgia's internal thoughts, right, that she is thinking, and it's not just like regular dialogue right, that it'd be more like the regular balloon that you'd see in a panel. Right. But whenever you see that red bar, which I thought was really rendered nice, that's a cool graphic touch. I thought that really distinguished that and it helps you know that, Okay, that's internal Georgia whenever she's going. So I thought that was really well done.

55:46 So kudos too. I think she's a regular contributor for the IDW track. But Alyssa Wong. I didn't have time to look up her name, but I'm sure I've seen her associated with other titles before. But I thought she did a good job on here, and I thought the dialogue was good. I thought that anytime you give me a panel like this right where I've got like somebody that's got like knife blood splashed across their face, I'm like, Okay, thank you for not dumbing this down and infantilizing it, right, I mean, you're showing me how gory it is and how hardcore it is, and the Tarrann Empire props don't water down the vicious Georgia's lifestyle like I think the section thirty one movie kind of did, right, I mean they kind of sanded off a lot of her rough edges I felt. So it's cool that they did more like pulp eighties movie style here to make her a little bit more of a you know the environment. She said, no, now go home and poison your family, that kind of thing, right, That was really cool. So her background story to me was a lot more interesting than what they did with her in the movie. But I still enjoyed the comic, and I'm stunned that I'm saying that, so I'm expected me admitting that it was a good read. But it was a good read and I had fun, So I would I would say, if you like at all the section thirty one comic, I would pick this up. A show in the movie, I would pick this up.

57:14 All right. So, Eric, since you were the caboose last time, we'll let you jump in here and continue on. Yeah, right on. So I agree that I think Alyssa Long is a fantastic writer. She has a lot of experience in comics. She's worked for Marvel, she's worked for DC, she's done several Star Wars comics, she's done Deadpool. So she's, you know, not somebody who's new to the comic game. So I appreciate her skill and her ability to kind of convey a lot of information in very few words. That being said, I prefer comics that have a lot of words. I don't know. I like it to take fifteen twenty minutes for me to read a thirty two page comic, and this one just had a lot of pictures, a lot of really short lines, and so it was a very quick read. I mean, despite the fact that it was kind of this like double sized one shot six bucks, you know, it read relatively quickly. I think that I also have some confusion here on the whole concept of the Taran Emperor. So what I was led to believe before section thirty one was that the way one becomes emperor is one kills the previous emperor. And we've seen that happen a few different times. We saw it in Mirror Mirror, we saw it in Star Trek Enterprise when when Hoshisato becomes emperor, and so now we

58:49 you know from the section thirty one movie. And I agree with Paul entirely. This comic should have come out weeks before the movie. I think it would have actually helped read interest much in the same way the Countdown comics. You remember when those came out. There were the There was the Star Trek two thousand and nine Countdown comic that came out before the movie came out, and that bred interest for it. There was the Star Trek Picard Countdown comic that came out before Picard came out, that bred interest for it. This one coming out afterwards feels like just like somebody didn't meet their deadlines or something. So it was a little weird to kind of go back and get the story after you already because it literally ends, I think on the last page with like see more in the section thirty one movie, and I'm like, yeah, I already saw the section thirty one movie, So I don't know that timing was a little bit a little bit off for me. I also totally agree with Paul though on the whole, like graphic representation of who's talking or or what sort of speech is going on, whether it's their internal thoughts or whatnot. I think IDW does that quite a bit. I've seen that in some other comics too. I think both Marvel and DC are doing that these days. But it really helps clue you into what's going on in the comic, and I really appreciate that as a as a kind of like mechanism of reading.

1:00:10 So yes, I thought the art was pretty pretty decent. I mean, it didn't totally knock my socks off, but I thought it was really good. But I will say that when you look at a lot of these IDW comics, they do appear to include a lot of diversity on their teams. There's a lot of people who identify as various genders. There's a lot of racial diversity when you look up who the writers and the letters and all these people are. So I think it's cool that they're bringing lots of different voices to the table and giving them all a chance to tell these great Star Trek stories. In the end, I think what I've learned about myself is that I have a very limited interest in Mirror Universe stories. I just like cruelty just doesn't trust me as a topic. And so, you know, great Tearing Empire's brutal.

1:01:06 Great people are getting killed all the time. Great, you got to kill some more people to move up, Like, there's there are no moral plays going on here. There's no like, you know, questions that don't have answers, And it's just kind of like people being mean to each other. So I don't know. For me, I think there's nothing wrong with this comic. I just think that the writers and the artists and everything probably did the best with the topic that they were given. I'm not sure it's a topic that totally interests me at a deeper level. So so yeah, good, good comic. If they put out a second one, of course I would buy it because I'm like Paul, I'm saying, if it's Star Trek, put it in the box.

1:01:55 But now. I read it twice and I'm not sure I'm gonna go. I can read this again, tell you the truth. So yeah, that's my opinion. Well, I'm kind of with you, guys. I thought that I was disappointed when I read this because I thought they intentionally held it back, and so I was thinking that it was more than it was because why did they hold it back? And after I read it, I was with you, guys. I was like, Yeah, why did they hold it back? Because there's nothing in this that really would spoil anything that was in the movie, nothing at all, So why hold it back? I think it would have it would have you know, when like like you said, Eric, I think it would have enhanced people wanting to see the movie if they had put it out early. So maybe you're right, maybe it was a deadline or something, or you know.

1:02:49 For all we know, guys, what could have happened is right, this thing was slated for scheduling in March, right, and it could just be that, like because this happened sometimes, right, you have a publishing you know, publishing is a little bit more mechanical, right in a lot of ways. Right, maybe they had a fixed date and paramount plus because they're just such brain trusts over there, maybe they just said, let's run this thing early. Isn't that kind of what didn't it sort of jump earlier than we expected? Like in January? Right, it was you know, that's when it ered. So maybe they changed their date and it's like you can't you know, the publishing just couldn't keep up. So that could be, Yeah, that's. How I'm seeing kind of like the other direction. Right, it was actually the show that came out early, not the comic. They came out right, because sometimes if they feel like, Okay, this is our window and we're going to get creamed if we hold it till February because the publishing date on the inset page says February, right, even though it just came out right, And so I think they have a hard time moving that stuff around as opposed to like, you know, with TV and it's digital. If they say, okay, if we you know, our best window to get viewers is now, if we went to February, we're going to run up against all these other new shows that are coming out. We should just do it now, and they just sort of hastily promote it. So who knows, man, But but yeah, I mean I really want to you know, echo what you said. I mean, it's just how much mean spirited stuff can you can you get into?

1:04:11 Right? It's kind of like you know the first Starship Troopers, Right, it's like, oh, wow, they're fighting bugs, you know, and all that stuff like that. But do you really want to see, like I'm keen told stories of gunning bugs to death. It's just like, give me something to think about. Well, I think what this comic did for me also is it kind of made me realize how much Michelle Yo carries a scene or a movie or an episode like and and you know, we don't get her acting skills in the comic we don't even really get her character, for like her adult character, for more than a page or two in this comic, And so you know, I was one who was like, hey, you know what, I didn't I thought I was going to totally hate section thirty one. I didn't totally hate it. I watched it and I thought it was pretty good, like nineties action movie, you know, but that was because Michelle Yo, sorry, and you don't get any of that with the comics.

1:05:10 So yeah, anyway, well for me, I thought, if you guys, remember we hear this name Son mentioned in Discovery when Carl tests Georgio before he sends her back, and now we know where he sent her, but at the time that we watched Discovery, we didn't know where he sent her, and we didn't know what her deepest regret was. She mentioned Son and we see a puddle of blood, but that's as far as they went on Discovery with it before it ended. So this particular comic book actually wraps up that story that was introduced on Discovery, I think very nicely. And I think it also goes in to help with her redemption arc because we get to see how ruthless she was and how she was being groomed to be ruthless, so that when she hooks up with Burnham and the Discovery crew and you know, she saves Saru and she redeems herself and Carl says, yes, you've been redeemed and he saves her. The comic book just fills in a lot of that backstory, so well well so.

1:06:14 But an interesting thing though, that they do do in this comic. That's that's I think plugs into what we were just saying, was that they say in this comic that the candidates, the fifteen candidates or whatever that are chosen are chosen for many reasons, and one of those reasons is their ability to be cruel. And so I had a question about that because it sounds like to me in the Terran Empire that not everybody's a bearded spock, like there are some people who are just trying to live their lives, just trying to eke out an existence on a on a planet somewhere, and that cruelty is actually it's a nurture thing. It's not a nature thing, right, But they say that these candidates were chosen in one of those criteria where that they had they had the ability or the propensity to be cruel. So that sounds like a nature thing to me, like people are just born cruel. So I still have some question, Like I feel like the section thirty one movie on this comic have muddied my understanding of the Tearran Empire just a little bit by trying to flush it out. So it feels weird to me, like no more or no less by knowing more? Right now.

1:07:35 Yeah, it's like her parents, right, they're just like blacksmiths and farmers and whatnot. They're just chillen, right, But but you see that like leadership or you know, rather the addition you know they're all about the only way to maintaining power is through fear, you know, thanks Elon. But you know it's just like you know, they're all like you know, Weasley bastards, you know, in control and there you can tell that they you know, if they think if you know, they're not feared, and I mean you know, I mean Spock says that in the original Mirror Mirror right, terror will keep you know, the only way to maintain order, right, otherwise everyone will rebel up against you, and you know, insist on equality. So it's just where it's interesting. So, you know, I think I like mirror stories because I find so many unfortunate parallels of them manifesting in reality. Right, so it's a good cautionary But yeah, but hopefully if they do do more of these, I mean, it's it would be interesting to see somebody, you know, write a little bit more literate, you know, measured assessment of this, you know, go post Georgia, see where we go.

1:08:47 Then, So I don't know, all right, Well, Charles, what did you think about the section thirty one comic book? Well? I think it did a true example of how dark and cruel the Terran Empire is. We start right off in a classroom and we realize the fact that okay, you're not here to be friends, you're here to be competitors. And that was rather quick of showing. Okay, let's show that we can sacrifice your classmates. Who's the herb? Think of the TV show Who's the Week It's Link? And easily taken out who is the Week It's Link? And even backstabbing classmates who sit there, Oh she's being disloyal, and it's like, okay, fine, then I challenge you for challenging my loyalty, and I think really it proves the fact that you've got to be careful. You want to watch your back you the Tart Empire. But we learned a little bit of this connection with Son which we didn't We got a little vagueness in the movie. I think we've got a little more detail about their connection here.

1:10:21 So I think it was a good little mini backstory to what we had in it. As you talk about updates, because I run my subscription through Amazon and their comicology, I will get dates to when issues are supposed to come out, And I do note that sometimes IDW run into production issues and issues are postponed a week, two weeks, a month, and so it may be how quickly they can get an issue printed, put together. So if they can't get that fully digitally put together and ready for production, they'll pause it for they'll ship, they'll backdate it for a couple of weeks later, and so issues do sometimes come out later than you think they will. So I think it was a combination of Paramount pushing it out fast and IDW running into a time frame that they couldn't match. I thought it was an interesting comic, dark comic, but you got definitely an interesting, pre interesting view of the Terran Empire because I know we normally get the Terran Empire view from the truck for trek, the truck view, and this was not a trek view. This was more

1:11:52 of a look at civilization and what the future emperor has to go through. So, Charles, do you think that the winnowing situation here? Do you think that in this case? And they don't describe this in the section thirty one movie either, but like, has an emperor died and they already and they need to replace that emperor and that's why the winnowing's happening. So it's either like the emperor dies and they got to find a new emperor or you go stab that old emperor and then you take over. Are those the two ways that the Terran Empire kind of, you know, replaces their leadership. From what we have seen, Yes, but I think the killing off the emperor is something we saw from Enterprise.

1:12:46 We didn't really say how Spot kind of came his position in the series. I know he became it, We're not sure exactly how he did it, whether he killed somebody off or took over is that true? Who seemed near Mirror more recently, like, do you guys remember how like how the heck spox actually became. They explain it. I'm like they explained, so he was able to just puff and make people disappear with the tantelist field, but he didn't. Take over quite then. I think we saw the takeover more in the comics.

1:13:30 Well, he doesn't take over till the end of the episode. I think, isn't that the end of Mirror Mirrors. I don't think he took I don't think he took over that. I think they put the idea in his head to take over, but I don't think he took over at that point. I think he was more like, oh, I have to think about. This good prime universe Kirk plants the seed in uh in Spock's mind. He basically kind of like he goes one man can make a difference, you know, think about that. And I think Mirrors Box thing was always like I can do more and manipulate more and actually have more power by not being the figurehead. Right, That's the impression I got. He's he's too smart to be the leader, right, I mean the leaders often I'm just looking around contemporary America for an example, the leader is often not the brightest person because he's more likely for one thing to be the most immediate target. So a smart person is in this, you know, the secondary position and often controls things if the leader is puppet. And I think that's where mirrors box at. So that's what I always got from that, you know, so fun stuff, fun to consider, more interesting than this.

1:14:49 Well, I think our I think our belief to what happened to Spock was not based on the episode, but the IDW comm mirror Mirror. Yeah, you're totally right there. There was a lot more fleshing out of that character in the comics. Yeah, yes, but. Definitely id w's showing their showing their positive work on Star Trek and looking forward to seeing what else are doing, in fact, trying to keep up with Intrepid and Star Trek, which I'm not keeping up with right now, and I gotta start doing it this summer.

1:15:41 David's the caboost this time around. So you heard what everybody else thought. What do you think, David? Yeah, so a couple of things in the universe where people killed people off, how. I mean, what the heck? They gotta have some passion, right, I figure. Everybody, every single couple must have like six kids because they know they're going to lose like four or five of them. Also in this in this Mirror universe reality, I've always thought that the region the Tone Empire just did because they tried to make humans strong and aliens were not torch three around. How the heck did you get into position or in that case, how did Paul or any of the other alien from the other Mere University get into position? I mean, they just like slaves, I guess, or stud.

1:16:32 And well they don't. They don't describe it for Spack and Mirror Mirror, but they do. But to Paul and the Vulcans were absolutely like not uh not at the same level as Terrence. I remember that, yeah, But still I just thought for an empire who pro human, I just thought that was just kind of a strained thing. I guess they were running out of manpower. I guess for the for their ships or some things. They had to have aliens or something. I don't know. I thought it was a little weird. But anyways, the other thing too, I want to get back to the actual comic books here, because Paul mentioned something about the Red Strip. Well, I don't know if you guys noticed, but there was also a blue strip of somebody else thinking apparently, and that was found on page eighteen and apparently. I guess that's supposed to be San talking or something. So yeah, it's kind of like towards the top. I should have actually copied it, but I just, you know, put it into the screen.

1:17:38 Yeah, there's that son's internal dialogue, that light blue color. I see it. Yeah, I thought that was kind of interesting. So uh. In other words, yeah, I just thought, uh, the Tenant Empire for this particular comic book. Like I said, I don't really read comic books, and I'm not a fan of any kind of violence well for that matter, and it's been kind of shocked me a little bit. I'll probably get moret it the more I read of the comics, but it's just the fact that the particular one. I do agree with you guys. They should have probably had this out way before the section thirty one came out, because as I was putting the slide show together, I was trying to figure out which photo to actually put in there, and I actually went with the last one where the other emperor told them to go poising their family. But I was like, I know, I kind of regret not putting it in it, but that would probably been the perfect explanation of what the section thirty one movie was all about, you know, the continuation. But I did like this particular comic where it was basically a memory kind of like going through what happened, and I actually kind of liked that. And my biggest question is we will come across eventually once you gets back at the beginning. Who's the shaded figure?

1:19:02 They never showed his face occupied. I think that's our Botany bay Omie's name ale Alt someone in A. Yeah, that was my guess who that is. But you're right, they didn't actually specifically say. But isn't that the first person that she interacts with in the section? I don't know, Jim saw it like five times. Isn't that the first person she interacts with in the movie? Yeah, that's Alex saar A. Yeah, that's it. And did do you actually shay that line is just shet taken or would that to the point of the comic? I think that was part of the comic. Okay, Yeah, so.

1:19:43 I mean, yeah, I agree with a lot what you guys are saying, but this particular book kind of like I almost didn't finish reading it because it kind of looked too heavy for me. But other than that, hey, it were pretty good. I enjoyed it to the point where might come and could handle. But uh, I had to eat right away. No moldy cheese, I hope. Wow, that might have helped. But no comics and donuts for you. Nope, no heavy comics, I guess, but I'm not that queasy. I just you know, I really don't condone violence at all, and I would hate to be inside the mere universe. However, that did bring me to another point when you guys were talking about the mere universe between the different shoeries, is there a mere universe that actually has a mere universe on like on tol of it another type of alternate universe.

1:20:38 That's inception dude. Yeah, that's called the Calvin Timeline. Okay, whatever, I enjoyed it, so that's just my take on it. All right. Well, that wraps up our our section thirty one conversation. Go and check it out at your local comic book shop. And now it's time for our our trek birthdays. You guys ready for some birthdays. Where's the birthday? There? It is?

1:21:23 That was not a clemon song, you know. Warf says that every week. He's not a merry man, but we love him anyways. All Right, guys, we actually have a lot more debts to celebrate than we have of birth So we're gonna turn this thing right over to Eric so he can get started remembering those members of our Star Trek family who, sadly enough, are no longer with us. So Eric take it away. Yeah, Jim, I will move quickly through these, because there are quite a few. This week. Our first remembrance is for actor Davis Roberts for Mobile Alabama. He's the actor who portrayed doctor Ozaba in the original series season episode The m Path. Throughout his long career, Roberts appeared in over thirty feature films, including In a Lonely Place, The Chase, Westworld from nineteen seventy three, which I know several of our tre experts enjoy, Willie Dynamite, Demon Seed, and he actually appeared along with LeVar Burton in nineteen seventy seven's Roots as well. He also appeared in many television series such as I Dream of Genie, Mission Impossible, gun Smoke, Sanford and Sudden All in the Family.

1:22:29 Davis Roberts lost back in nineteen ninety three at the age of seventy six years old. Happy Birthday to him. Happy birthday as well to Patty Edwards. She's the actress who played the role of Anya in the Next Generation second season episode The dow Fime. She began her acting career in the early nineteen sixties and continued on until almost the week that she died. She was well known as a voice actress on a number of Disney animated movies, including The Little Mermaid, Hercules and the voice of Gozar in the hit movie Ghostbusters from nineteen eighty four, also in several other movies like Corvette, Summer, Halloween, Three To Be or Not to Be, Blue City, and myriad others, and had a few guest appearances on the comedy series Night Court along the Way, working with John Laraquette. So Happy Birthday to Patty Edwards, lost back in nineteen ninety nine.

1:23:27 Happy Birthday as well to Mickey Morton, the actor who appeared on the original series playing drill Thral Kluge in the second season episode The Gamesters of Triskellion. Other television credits include guest appearances on all the shows from Back in the Sixties, Gunsmoke, I, Dream of Genie, Fantasy Island, etc. In nineteen seventy eight, he appeared in the infamous Star Wars holiday special as a Wookie named Mala, alongside Ralph Mahr. He also co starred with fellow TOOS guests stars Frank Gorshen and William Shallard in the nineteen seventy nine TV special Legends of the Superheroes, and LeVar Burton and kirkwood Smith in the nineteen eighty five TV movie The Midnight Hour.

1:24:14 A little bit of confluence of star Trek talent there on a weird TV movie Happy Birthday to Mickey Morton, Happy Birthday as well to Booth. Coleman, the actor who played Pennot in the Voyageer four season episode Nemesis. Coleman had been acting in film and television since the nineteen fifties, amassing well over one hundred credits. One of his earliest film roles was as a reporter in the movie Them from nineteen fifty four. He also appeared in the Beast of Budapest from nineteen fifty eight, but most importantly and I think recognizably had a recurring role as Doctor Zaias on the Planet of the Apes co starring, of course Rodny McDowell and Mark Leonard, and also appeared in the nineteen seventy seven television movie in the Glitter Palace, Happy Birthday to Booth Coleman lost at ninety one years old.

1:25:11 Back in twenty fourteen Happy Birthday as well to Angelique Petty John born Dorothy Lee Perrens portrayed Shanna in the TOS second season episode The Gamesters of Triskellion. She was initially noted for her work in a number of B movies and TV shows, and was considered at one time for the role of Nova in the original Planet of the Apes film. Couple of Planet of the Apes Remembrances this Week. She starred in a number of adult and B movies throughout the seventies, and at a Star Trek convention circuit gathered steam. Bolstered by the release of Star Trek the Motion Picture, she found herself an increasingly high demand as a guest of honor, and since then she vigorously worked the circuit, and she would show up at Star Trek conventions all over the place, particularly throughout the eighties, with her last appearance being on the circuit in nineteen eighty nine. Happy Birthday to Angelique Petty John. Happy birthday as well to Catherine Kate Woodville. She's the English actress who played Natira in the TOS third season episode for the World as Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky fantastic episode name by the way. Initially credited as Catherine Woodville, she was quite prolific during the nineteen sixties and seventies, appearing in a number of movies and guest stars in several television series, including many of the ones from that time,

1:26:45 Mission Impossible, Black Gun, and the Kung Fu series. The murder of her character in the first episode of The Avengers was the driving force of the first year and the reason for the title. She was born in the US and eventually lost her life in Portland, Oregon here in twenty thirteen at the age of seventy five years old. Happy birthday to Kate Woodville. Happy birthday as well to Peter Paul Fix. He's the American actor who played Doctor Mark Piper, the original doctor in the second series pilot of the TOS series where No Man has gone before.

1:27:29 Fix is one of only two Star Trek actors verified as a veteran of the First World War, where he served in the US Navy. His birth of thirteen March nineteen oh one makes him the earliest born actor of the twentieth century. We had a couple from the eighteen hundreds. Following the Navy, Fix became an incredibly busy character who got his start in local productions around his New York home, and by the nineteen twenties he had moved to Hollywood and performed in the first of almost three hundred and fifty fifty movie and television appearances three hundred and fifty. In the nineteen thirties, he became friends with John Wayne, coaching him on acting and eventually appearing in about twenty five of John Wayne's films. He is most well known as Michael Micah Torrence from the ABC series The Rifleman, appearing for the show's entire run. Peter Paul Fix, I loved your little suitcase full of drinks that you're broad forth for our captain. Happy birthday to you. You were lost to us back in nineteen eighty three, at the age of eighty two years old. Happy birthday as well to Grant Woods. Grant Woods, lost at the young age of thirty six years old, was the actor who played Elwitz in the TuS first season episode The Galileo Seven.

1:28:52 He was also in Arena and This Side of Paradise. Woods was born Earl Grant Titsworth in vim Colorado, and following his tour of duty in the US Navy, he went to Hollywood, where he worked as a stuntman, occasionally under the name of Grant Lockwood. So using that name Grant Lockwood, Woods not only performed stunts, but also acted on television programs. So if you see any of those three names, Grant Woods, Earl Grant Titsworth, or Grant Lockwood, it's all the same person. His only film appearance came in the nineteen sixty six spy comedy The Silencers, and unfortunately, he lost his life in a motorcycle accident in nineteen sixty eight, which is why that age of loss is so young. Happy birthday to Grant Woods. Happy birthday as well to Frank Emmons Overton, the actor who played Elias Sandoval in the ts first season episode This Side of Paradise.

1:29:54 He is among the few guest star actors in the original series to have been listed with the credits A as a special guest star. Overton had a reoccurring role on the television World War II series Twelve o'clock High, as well as making guest appearances on a variety of television programs, mostly westerns Back in the day. He also appeared in a handful of feature films. His most notable role probably as Sheriff heck Tate in the Acclaim nineteen sixty two adaptation of To Kill a Mockingbird. Happy Birthday to Frank Emmons. Overton lost back in nineteen sixty seven and last but not least on our list, a more contemporary loss unfortunately lost way too young, at the age of twenty seven years all due to a terrible, terrible accident.

1:30:43 Anton Viktorovich Yelchin He's a Russian born actor from southern California who played Pavelchekhov in Star Trek two thousand and nine, Star Trek Into Darkness, and Star Trek Beyond. His parents, of course, were Russian jew and he was born in Leningrad in Russia, the second largest city of the Soviet Union at the time. When he was only six months old, he and his parents emigrated to the United States, but because of their Jewish heritage, they received refugee status due to the long term anti Semitic policies of the Soviet state. Walter Kinnig was also of Soviet Jewish parentage. Interestingly, although he himself was not born in the USSR and they were from Lithuania rather than Russia proper active, he had an active film and television career starting in two thousand at the age of eleven years old until his death in twenty sixteen. And in two thousand and nine, he of course was part of the Star Trek Ensemble, which received a Washington, DC Area of Film Critics Association Award nomination in the category of Best Ensemble and won a Boston Society of Film Critics Award in the category of Best Ensemble. Cast Yelchin enjoyed play the guitar and privately behind the scenes, not letting many people know he actually battled cystic fibrosis, regularly undergoing treatments at the University of Southern California's Kech Hospital. A foundation to help actors with

1:32:16 disabilities like him was set up in twenty seventeen and a year later, following a one million dollar donation, the Adult Cystic Fibrosis Center at Kech Hospital was renamed the Anton Yelchin Cystic Fibrosis Clinic. We really really miss him, and it's absolutely certain that he would have gone so many places and had a very prolific career had it not been for his terrible accident. Anton Viktorovich Yelchin bought lost back in twenty sixteen at twenty seven years old. Happy birthday to him, and that everybody does it for our remembrances this week, so I would like to plastest birthday flaming candle off to Charles.

1:33:05 Thank you, Eric only got a couple of them on my list. Happy birthday to Jonathan del Rco. You're u. Grainian born actor who played Hugh in TNG's fifth and seventh season episodes Iboorg and Is Sent Part Two. He reprised the role in Pricard season one's episode The End of the Beginning, The Impossible Box and The Penthe He also appeared as Phantom in voyager seventh season episode The Void Glay to see You. It's glad to say we got him back in Percard. Happy birthday to Mark Metcalfe, who played the hero Gion Medic in Star Trek Voyagers fourth season episode The Killing Game and The Killing Game Part two, and I'm Tosses passed his candle over to Paul.

1:34:07 Thank you, Charles Okay, who we got playing Getting Older this week, that magical board game that we're all involved in. First of all, let's say happy birthday to Donna Murphy, who's actually a Tony Award winning stage actress but also works in film and television, and who we are saluting from her role in Star Trek Insurrection, part of the Next Gen Motion Picture franchise. I done plenty of other good work as well, Incrding Turns and Spider Man two and Tangled, so very prolific work. They're always great to have somebody with good stage chops doing your work for you, a little extra value I think that they bring to the table. So Happy birthday, Donna Murphy. Happy birthday also to the memorable Nancy Kovak, who caught everyone's attention in the original series second season episode A Private Little War.

1:35:07 Very prolific actress. Back in the day she was in it was a picture it used to be all the time on TV called marooned about spacecraft that was in distress. She was in that. We talked about the Silencers earlier. That was kind of another spy picture from that era, Get Smart, Batman as you see there. And then the nineteen sixty three Jason the Argonauts. I know that Nancy Kovac was in that as well, but I would say that in the Private Little War, she kind of pushed the boundaries there what you could maybe get away with in terms of, you know, I mean, some of those takes were I mean, you know, I'm trying to say a lot without saying anything.

1:35:49 But. Well done, personable young boy making your way through the eighth grade, and you outer this episode, you may find yourself irreferably changed. So I was, yeah, yeah, it was. It was. She definitely went for it, and I would say that there was not a lot of inhibition that I saw in her performance, which was striking, so memorable Nancy Kovac. I mean, and just it's an underrated episode. I think it's a cool episode. It's one of those ones that has a lot of political irrelevance to in terms of how we deal with other cultures and arming people and playing against our enemies and just youah, so an underrated episode.

1:36:34 I would say definitely good, as a lot of those second season episodes are so good stuff. Happy birthday, Nancy Kovac. Happy birthday also to Jake Weber, the English actor who we recall played Azara in the Discovery third season episodes Far from Home There Is a Tide and that Hope Is You Part two where we saw that character. So Happy birthday to you, Jake web and a big fave. I love my original series, folks, I just do. It's it's who we I can't result whose birthday is actually today on March thirteenth, is the great Sean Kenny Okay, who of course very memorably played several roles in Star Trek.

1:37:20 I mean, I think the one that he gets the most props for is he was the person in the chair in with the scarring, disfigured original Captain Christopher Pike in those classic first season episodes Menagerie's Part one and Part two. Amazing work. I mean, it's just it's just he's it's it's it's haunting performance. He doesn't really move his face very much, doesn't speak, but there's just something he really did something with that performance that just became kind of iconic and incredibly haunting and memorable. So it's not an easy trick to pull off, but but he captured something and a tremendous incarnation of the performance, which we're seeing still echoing years later on Strange New Worlds with what's Pike's dealing with. So fascinating stuff, but a prolific actor. Also had other turns in Star Trek as well, where he played a character in the first season called DePaul who we saw in Arena and also the classic episode of Taste of Armageddon, so you can see I think he's a lieutenant. If I remember Lieutenant de Paul, I believe he was, but yeah, he pops up in one of those characters. A lot of interesting recurring characters in the first season who didn't go on very far beyond that, but Sean Kenney's one of them and pretty cool and I would like to say an icon of season one original series. So we salute you, sir, and

1:38:54 happy birthday today. I hope life is treating you well and you certainly made it quite an impact for a Star Trek fans young and old alive. That's what I've got on my list this week. I'm going to pass the flaming cake battles to Uncle Jim. Well, I thank you so much, Paul. I always do the Klingons and I always save him for last, and I have two this week. First, we want to say happy birthday and camplah to John Curry. And you're like, John Curry, Uncle Jim, who the hell is that? Well, I'm about to tell you. He voiced the character Maha on Star Trek Lower Decks. He appeared in five episodes.

1:39:34 This guy was phenomenal. I would love to see a whole series of him and his brothers selling blood Wine and the Klingon Empire. It was please, it was that good. He appeared. The first time we see him is in an outstanding episode called Wueje Douge, which is phenomenal if you have not seen it. He also appeared in two Vex two, two Vix and The Inner Fight, A Farewell to Farms and the New Next Generation. So if you want to see some of his excellent work as a Klingon, check out those episodes of Lower Decks. You won't be disappointed. Those episodes are amongst my favorites. So cauplat and happy Birthday to John Curry. And last on my list is a character that we learned that they called the Lady in Red on Star Trek Picard season three. We want to say happy birthday to Trisha O'Neill and she's from Shreveport, Louisiana, and she's best known to Star Trek fans as Captain Rachel Garrett in the TNG third season episode Yesterday's Enterprise. Yes, this is the same Rachel Garrett that we saw on section thirty one as Lieutenant Garrett. Different actress, same character.

1:40:53 She also appeared as Coronas in DS nine's third season episode Defiant. There she is on the screen there as a Cardassian, but I am remembering her as a Klingon as Kerrac in the sixth season episode of TNG called Suspicions. So callpla to Tricia O'Neill. And that wraps up our birthdays for this week. And now it's time to go into our Star Trek News. Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on Secure. Channel incoming transmission enter authorization code command codes verified.

1:41:38 Define parameters of program level nine authorization required, specifying parameters. Transfer updata is complete. A blank alert, A blank alert. Okay, Eric you get to start us off, buddy, take it away all right. We are heading into one of our favorite sections here called Shatters What And I think this plays off something we talked about the other day with the possible return of Captain Kirk. But this one is kind of on the opposite end of things. So William Shatner shares a brutally honest response to a Star Trek question. William Shatner has left Star Trek fans in ysterics with his brutally honest reaction to a question about the franchise. Shatner ninety three, made his debut in ged Rodberry's mega successful sci fi franchise in nineteen sixty six, of course, playing Captain James Kirk, and was ultimately killed off in the nineteen ninety four film Star Trek Generations. The actor has long been vocal about the reason behind the decision to kill off the character, and in response to being asked the question, he said, quote, why did you let them kill kirkoff? In Generations? He shared a gift on social media depicting someone shooting a gun filled with dollars. Fans of Star Trek pray he's the actor for his openness in the comments section, with one responding he has a great sense of humor, another adding I can appreciate this level of simple honesty. However,

1:43:11 it's worth noting that Shatner is not alluding to the fact that he himself made money from the decision, but that the studio, as he was told by the producer, quote, we're going to kill Kirk because we think that it will make more money at the box office. In fact, Shatner was left unimpressed with the impetus behind the idea, but he was told Kirk would be dying with or without his approval. Shatner previously said I didn't think I had any choice in the matter. Armont has decided that the ceiling, that the ceiling that they should reach in our box office has been reached, and that they thought by putting in the next generation cast that they would reach a higher box office. That decision has been made.

1:43:57 It was either I was going to appear and die or they were going to say he died, So I chose the more practical of the two. The film ended up making just one hundred and eighteen million dollars. I would have done something else, Shatner said. It was all against me. I wish that there had been more trumpets for the death of the character. Well, not to worry, mister Shatner. I'm pretty sure you'll find a way to work your way back into it. Him back. Oh my goodness, gracious book. Yeah. Well so I often bring this up on the podcast. But if you want to learn kind of the the vision that mister Shattner had for his character post Generations, you should read And I'm not saying it's a great book, but but you could choose to read the book The Reach Turn, which was a star Trek novel that he wrote wherein he is brought back by various technological mechanisms and shenanigans en sue.

1:45:11 So there you go. Sounds great, Okay, way. I read it. Eh, Well, Paul gets our next story as our resident award person. So okay. I do kind of get swept up an award fever every year because you know movie addict that I am. And I'm here to tell you that Zoe Saldana has swept the award season and she wins Best Supporting Actress at the twenty twenty five Oscars for her work in Emilia Pettis. Okay, from center stage to the Golden Stage. Zoe Saldana's talent is undeniable. The star took home her first OSCAR for Best Supporting Actress for her role in Amilia at the twenty twenty five Academy Awards.

1:46:04 She says, my mom is here, my whole family is here. I am floored by this honor. Saldana sent through tears while accepting her award to my cast and my crew of Amelia Perez, I'm sharing this award with you. She also added that to my mom and my dad and sisters, everything brave, outrageous and good I've ever done in my life is because of you, giving her the other half Marco Perego, whom she married in twenty thirteen, to shout out. Saldana continued, and to my husband, the biggest honor in my life is being your partner. My grandmother came to this country in nineteen sixty one. I am a proud child of immigrant parents with dreams and dignity and hard working hands. I am the first American of Dominican origin to accept an Academy award, and I know it won't be the last. It was a very impassioned speech, really really well done. The accolades comes after Saldona swept awards season for her role, taking home the Golden Globe Critic Choice Up and Screen Actors Guilds Awards for playing lawyer Rita Mora Castro. At age twenty one, Saldana put on her point shoes as she landed her first feature film role in the two thousand dance musical Center Stage as ballet dancer Ava Rodriguez. Saldana then started opposite Britney Spears and Tarinn Manning in the two thousand and two rom com Crossroads. She started the two thousand and five flick Guess Who opposite Ashton Kutcher and Bernie mac Saldana played a young woman who brings home her new fiance Coucher to meet her parents. I'm not sure why that's there.

1:47:39 Fascinating description of that memorable movie. By two thousand and nine, she joined James Cameron's Avatar franchise, playing the role of Natiri and wow did that ever take off? After playing the character in twenty twenty two's Avatar The Way of Water Zoi, Saldana is set to reprise her role in the fictitious Land of Pandora Avatar Fire and Ash, scheduled for release this coming December. Friends. She's also starred as Lieutenant Niota Uhura in Star Trek two thousand and nine, followed by Star Trek Into Darkness in twenty thirteen and Star Trek Beyond in twenty sixteen. As for the possibility before Star Trek film, Zoe Saldana said, I still have hope, calling the first three projects a wonderful experience. She added, I know they're always trying to sort of aim to wrangle everybody together, but I also know that Paramount is working on a new, sort of fresh take on Star Trek, which I think is such a wonderful franchise that should live for a very long time. Whether or not us as the original remake cast can come back, I don't know, but I certainly hope so. In twenty fourteen, she took on the character of Gomorra in Guardians of the Galaxy, before reprising the green skinned warrior princess four more times in Guardians of the Galaxy Volume two, Avengers Infinity, Avengers Endgame, and Guardians of the Galaxy Volume three. In twenty twenty three, Saldana began playing CIA officer in the Paramount Plus spy

1:49:11 series special Ops Lioness alongside Nicole Gidman. Fast forward to twenty twenty four and then Netflix musical thriller Emelia Perez. Emilia Perez follows a Mexican drug cartel leader played by Carlos Sophia Gascon, who transitions to a woman. I am proud to be part of a union that allows me to be who I am. I have never been questions where I come from, or judge for how I speak or what my pronouns are. Saldana continued. Everyone has the right to be who they are. Amelia Perez is about truth and love and us actors really have to tell stories that are thought provoking and beautiful and live within the spectrum of artistic freedom. And I just feel compelled to just say, briefly, this movie got a lot of grief, right.

1:49:59 I had a really a good shot of I think taking home best picture. I mean it could have, it really really could have. It's a dynamite picture. It reinvents the musical in a very fresh and compelling and potent way. I think two things happened. The fact that a trans character is prominently featured in this film, not as you would ever imagine, right, defying all stereotypes and the fact that that character is played by a transactor, Carlo Sophia Gascon, who said a lot of things that perhaps their press agent wish they hadn't on social media, as sometimes you get caught up in the moment, right, and it really caused a lot of controversy that I think unfairly blemished the film. Right, it is a terrific picture. The main reason I want to point out is Okay, yeah, yeah, Zois Aldana won Best Supporting Actress. It's one of those weird things though, right, Best Supporting Actress. But she's in like every scene in this movie. It's weird. It's like when Samuel L. Jackson got Best Supporting Actor for fulk Fiction.

1:51:14 I'm like, he's in every scene in the movie, right, I mean what you're talking about. But she is phenomenal. I've always been a big fan of Zois Aldona's, you know, all of her work. I mean, I love she's such a sci fi girl, right, I mean Avatar Guardians, But she is. I don't know that she's ever been better than she has been in this. Okay, don't let the fact that there are elements of sexuality that you're not comfortable with. Put you off this film. I don't like musicals. Don't be that guy. Okay, watch, don't look. Don't look at the IMDb score. Yeah, whatever you get bought generated nonsense that you know, a bunch of you know, trogolodites artificially conflate. But it's movies A ten and it's really rewarding it. I remember talking after it was over. I'm like I there was never like a scene that I was not enraptured by and totally on the edge of my seat. No dull spot right, there's no safe bathroom scene in Amelia Beetez.

1:52:15 It's just great. It's a dynamite, highly underrated, and I'm sorry it got so much controversy thrown at it, but I think history will be really kind to this movie. It's a knockout first and foremost. It's a crime picture, right. It is a pretty in your face crime picture and a lot of times, if you like, you know, movies about villains and about crime and facing up against challenging odds. The movie Deliver is like a house on fire. So definitely check it out. Friends. If you have not, congratulations always saw down and we'd love it if you come back as if we're again because you rock and I'm gonna pass it over to Charles.

1:52:59 Okay, Charles, my Mike back on mic out there we go. Okay, he's in space. Yeah, I had a transfer Studios. A new Captain Janeway spinoff is being pursued Star Trek Jane Star Trek Jane Way, a series focused on the return of Kate mulgrews Admiral Catherine Jane Way, set sometime after the events of Prodigy and after events of maccard season three. Speaking to a crowd of fans during the official Star Trek cruise, McGrew answered a question about the possibility of a Jane Way focused spinoff series, or, failing that, her return to the franchise in any capacity, there's a conversation happening, McGrew said.

1:53:57 McGrew said is being pursued. McGrew had long been of vocals about galvanizing fans, which particular results in Star Trek Prodigy Season two ending up on Netflix, But in terms of a new Star Trek series focusing on the post voyage era, nothing on the current paramount plus late fits that description. On Star Trek Whu's. McGrew expressed concern that Januain's live action series might not live up to what fans wanted, and she also didn't want to do a show that Van deeprojects. It seems that although fans would prefer a live action Janeway series, mcgrew's preference and perhaps what she's pursuing, would be to simply get a third season of Star Trek Prodigy. In both seasons of that series, McGrew played not only an older Admiral Janeway, but a holographic AI interface hologram Janeway who guided the young Starward on the USS Protostar. I'd like Prodigy to be optimized for a third season, McGrew said, and a pre taped interview ahead of the cruise. So if Mcjaneway doesn't return, it seems that it would be mcgrew's preference, at least for now. There's still a lot of love out there

1:55:27 for Voyage Era, and clearly all of it's a buzz and could indicate that mcgrew's final appearance in Sturchik Mythos wouldn't be limited to Progy season two, but where she were, but where she'd beam in again, demanding Black coffee remains unseen. A hypothetical progys even three would be the easiest way for Janeuay to turn, but not the only way. No. I think that since the Holographic Doctor is coming back, we could see how Holi deck Jane Way in Starfleet Academy very easily, right, Yeah.

1:56:10 I mean I would love to see her her current day version of herself and not a not kind of like an older version, like a previous version, because I feel like when you see Kate Mulgrew the way she looks now, it just kind of lends even more weight to the fact that Jane Way would have all this experience and you know, knowledge, and just like I feel like you would feel the gravity of her character even more if you saw her in her current day incarnation. I love that she was on Prodigy as kind of a younger holographic version of herself, but I would love to see her in the flesh with the hair, you know, playing the person that she is now.

1:56:56 Did you watch her in Oranges as the New Black Man? Oh? Absolutely amazing? Just what what shops man? Like the shows, I'm gonna do something totally different, just like off she goes. But you just buy everything she sells. She's red, right, it was red. Yeah, she's just super hardcore. I think that that after, you know, it just shows what a you know kind of i mean, really compelling but narrow area of focus. So she did with Janeway, right, and she can just do all this other stuff. I'm with you, man, I'd like to see like, uh, you know, a later days Janeway who still got you know, a lot of fire in her belly, right and wants to you know, deal with stuff, right.

1:57:39 I mean, I think Janeway could be then like, for lack of a better term than nup card, right, the one who's always like making the right decisions, has all the knowledge, takes all the things into consideration. I just think she would be fantastic in that role. And John Rice Davies is still with us, so we can still do like Leonardo moments of like, I mean, it still could be with you know, and God, let's get took in them back together, right, you just would be the best. That guy's just amazing. You. It's so freaking cool. But yeah, I mean I think that she's right, right, what does she say that there's a huge amount of love for Voyager, right, I think it's it's way more popular now than it was when it was on the air. I think people have really discovered, you know, the quality of the writing and the characters, and I'd be way down for that.

1:58:39 All right, guys, well you know what time it is? No, it's that time again. So next week, next week we're going to be doing a great performance is a Star Trek podcast. We're each going to pick some of our favorite moments from our some of our favorite characters and just chat about It's going to be a lot of fun. We'll have our Star Trek polls again and our Star Trek birthdays and hopefully we'll have more living birthdays than we have remembrances, which was odd this week, but you never know. And I want to take a moment to say thank you to Eric for hanging out and trek talking with us tonight. Thank you so much, Eric, absolutely, thank you guys, And thank you.

1:59:20 So much to Paul for hanging out and trek talking with us. Thank you, Paul, my pleasure, gentlemen, lots of fun. And of course thank you to Charles even with his palm trees and scorpions for trek talking with us. Thank you, Paul, Thank you so much. Thank you. Just got to be careful to storms. You guys talk batten down too. And thank you to David, our miracle worker, for the wonderful slide shows and for hanging out and trek talking with us. Thank you so much, David. Yeah, it's welcome. It's been really fun. I enjoyed it and I'm your most excellent host. Uncle Jim saying to everybody, please stay safe and be good to each other. Remember Star Trek fans are the best fans.

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