March 15, 2025

Episode 627- Comic Corner - Section 31 one-shot and Lower Decks #1

Episode 627- Comic Corner - Section 31 one-shot and Lower Decks #1

On this episode of Trek Talking, the hosts engage in lively discussions about various Star Trek topics, including fan interactions, comic book reviews, and moral dilemmas presented in the series. They celebrate the return of Comic Corner, delve into...

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Star Trek Lower Decks Comic Corner Section 31

On this episode of Trek Talking, the hosts engage in lively discussions about various Star Trek topics, including fan interactions, comic book reviews, and moral dilemmas presented in the series. They celebrate the return of Comic Corner, delve into Star Trek polls regarding character decisions, and discuss the ethical implications of cloning. In this conversation, the hosts review the latest Star Trek comics, focusing on the Lower Decks series and the Section 31 one-shot. They discuss the storytelling structure, character development, humor, and artistic choices in the comics. The conversation also delves into the darker themes of the Terran Empire and the expectations surrounding the Section 31 comic, highlighting the contrasts between the comic and the television series. In this episode, the hosts delve into various themes surrounding the Star Trek universe, including the complexities of the Terran Empire as depicted in comic books, the celebration of Star Trek birthdays and remembrances, William Shatner's candid reflections on the death of Captain Kirk, Zoe Saldana's recent award season success, and the potential future of Admiral Janeway in the franchise. Each segment offers insights into the characters, stories, and the impact of Star Trek on its fans. Let's see whats out there...ENGAGE

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Well, good evening trekkies and trekkers around the globe. But

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it's Thursday, March thirteenth, twenty twenty five. Welcome the Truk Talking,

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Episode six hundred and twenty seven. Wow, unbelievable, six hundred

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and twenty seven. I'm your most excellent host, uncle Jim.

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And before we go too far, I'd like to go

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down the line and introduce you to my awesome Truk sperts.

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And we'll start out with Eric. Eric is out in Portland.

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How you doing tonight?

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Eric?

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I'm doing just great. How you doing?

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We were just talking with Charles about palm trees in

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his backyard, and I was like totally amazed because I

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don't have palm trees in my backyard.

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So I don't know if it's like it is in LA.

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But I know that palm trees are not native to

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LA and that they were brought in to fancify the joint.

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I'm not sure if the same is true in Las

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Vegas or not.

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Yeah, it's we found out that that scorpions live in

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palm trees and that Charles has to be careful because

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there's scorpions around his backyard. So we did not know that.

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So see, it's not just fun, it's educational. So anyways,

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and sticking out in Portland, we're going to swing over

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and say hello to Paul. He's our resident toy expert.

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How you doing tonight, Paul.

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I'm great.

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And last week we had a really good show. We

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talked to Ben Robinson and yeah, if you guys missed

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that show, you want to go back and check it out.

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It was a lot of fun. Ben teased some stuff

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to us that was sitting on his desk but couldn't

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show us, so we'll just have to wait and see.

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And also hanging out in Portland as a very own

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miracle worker. David. How you doing tonight, David Miracles? And

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then we're going to swing out to Las Vegas where

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Charles has palm trees, scorpions hanging out. How you doing.

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I'm doing all right, a little wind blowing in the studio,

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be but hanging in there. At least the rain staying

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away for now. No scorpions in the backyard. No scorpions

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in the backyard. But I know other places in the

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city that do worry about scorpions.

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Wow. Wow, I'll take my pine trees. Thank you. So, guys,

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you can head over to trek Talking dot com. You

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or tell a story to Charles about his scorpions and

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palm trees, or you can tell Paul about the latest

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toy that you picked up at the at the latest convention.

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he works up these awesome slide shows and pictures which

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these awesome videos, So please do that if you have

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a chance. Tonight's show, Comic Corner is back, baby. Yeah,

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it's been a long long time since we did Comic Corner,

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but it's time to resurrect it. And tonight we're gonna

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be talking about Section thirty one, one shot issue, and

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we're gonna be talking about lower Decks number one, both

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great comics and we're gonna get into them in just

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a little while. We also have our fan shoutouts. That's

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our segment where we thank our fans all around on

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the globe just like you, so you want to check

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that out. We also have some poll questions this week.

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Commodore April has to make a very difficult choice in

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Star Trek the animated series, and Riker has a real

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moral dilemma that he has to face. So I wonder

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what those could be. You'll have to check it out

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on our Star Trek pull questions to find out. We

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also have our Star Trek Birthdays. You can find out

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what Star Trek actor you share a Star Trek birthday ways.

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We also have Star Trek News. What's going around on

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the Star Trek universe. We have Shatner says what and

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another Star Trek actress wins an oscar and we're not

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talking about Michelle Yo. It's somebody different And will Captain

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Janeway return to Live action Star Trek. I wonder you're

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gonna have to listen to Star Trek News to find out.

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When you go over to our Facebook page, you'll see

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at the top a pin post asking where you're listening from,

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tell us where you're listening from, leave some emojis, and

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then listen to Trek Talking fan shout outs to find

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out if your name is mentioned. Eric you want to

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get us started with our fan shout outs.

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Absolutely, we're gonna spin that globe and head over to

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New Zealand to start out with and say hello. And

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thank you so much for listening to Rich Hosking who

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said hello to us from that amazing part of the world.

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Thanks Rich for saying hello. I hope to visit your

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continent one of these days. It looks really amazing down there.

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Also saying hello this week to Ashley Hedges, who's in

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Milton Keynes in the UK. We have tons and tons

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of supporters just across the pond, and I think the

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podcast considers them friends. And thank you Ashley for being

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part of that community. We really appreciate your support. Also

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saying hello this week to Ruy Gonklavist, who's saying hello

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to us from liz Boa, Portugal. It's been Portugal one

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of those places that has some really stunningly amazing architecture

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if you start digging into it, in particular from the

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night in early two thousands, there's some really cool stuff

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in there. So Rue, thank you so much for saying

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hello to us from that amazing place in the world.

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And last but not least, on my list, I'm saying

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hello and Copla this week to Selma Lopez Geronimo, who's

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saying hello to us from Rio de Janeiro, one of

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those places that we often see in movies because it

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has that amazing statue, but lots of other cool stuff

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going on there in Brazil. Thank you so much for

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listening to our podcast, and Charles, I'd like to hand

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this shout out megaphone over to you, sir.

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Thank you. Eric. Let's start off with a warm welcome

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to Randy Holme's coats Bustin, oh trying to get more

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to warm up. Warm welcome to Paul Eikenberg from Plino, Texas.

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Welcome Paul. Now, welcome to Lakota spoolman from right here

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in Las Vegas. Name is Sam Tamlier, but you should

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look us up, especially look up the USS Las Vegas.

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And a warm welcome to Lincoln William Stetler from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

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Welcome Lincoln, and let's toss his microphone over to David.

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Thank you, child. I would like to say warm welcome

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and thank you to Joe. I'm probably gonna stay this wrong,

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but buonao, I think it's how you pronounced it. From

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Roseberg Oregan and another one. Welcome to Rita Honande from Michigan.

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And guess what, guys, we got somebody from Portland, Oregon. Yes,

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and that is Joey Taylor. I would like to give

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you a warm welcome and thank you for listening to us.

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And last time I list page Chris braun Matter from Ohio, USA.

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Thank you all for listening, and I'm gonna send this

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microphone over to Paul.

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Thanks David. Why don't we say how to eat to

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some fans and Star Trek enthusiasts from other parts of

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the globe outside of North and South America. First of all,

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I'd like to say hello to our fan lis Green

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Larson from the highly unlikely named town of Middle Fart, Denmark.

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I am praying that is a typo, but you never

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know where are you from. I'm from Middle Fart, so

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I'll have to look into that and see if that's

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If that's true. I know that sometimes the scripts we

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read off here are rather quickly put together, so one

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never knows what one will be reading. But perhaps that's true.

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We'll have to check in.

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Town.

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I just it really is middle Party, So is there

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an early fart and later fart? Potentially it seems that

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the bridge, it seems that there should be if there's

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a middle fart. But there you go. So wow, the

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things you'll learn from this podcast are just astonishing. A

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different continent, but wonderful to go there Wangerai, New Zealand,

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where our friend Cain Davis is saying, how are you from?

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Great to know we have fans down in that he

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usphere as well. Johanna Gruzzlak is saying hello from Zebnika,

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Poland with their flag proudly displayed. Hello, Johanna, It's great

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to hear from you. And then just down the road

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in Arago, Switzerland, it's Saffron c Q. Hello Saffron, and

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thanks for being a Star Trek fan, Uncle Jim. What

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about you?

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Well, I'm going to come back here to the United

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States and say hello and thank you to Evelyn Danafrio

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who's listening to us in North Carolina and flying the

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American flag very proudly. I don't know about that these days,

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but welcome to the show, Evelyn. I also want to

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say thank you to Susan Kingston, YO, who's listening to

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us in the Big Apple, New York City. Represent Thank

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you so much. Susan. We also want to say hello

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and thank you to Lily Bennett who's listening to us

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in Norfolk, Virginia. And last but not least on my list,

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we want to send out a hardy coup Lah and

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Live long and prosper to James Angers, who's listening to

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us in Maine. And now it is time for Star

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Trek polls, which means we have to play the poll in.

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Song Linn you know me like no Wind, but you

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thought about the show, Len.

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We try.

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To share your opinions with all of our minions out

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there because they.

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Listen Worldwie, So tell us just what you think.

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Get together we will alter Canara and Robby lyn An.

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God, I just love that theme song.

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Yeah, I do, I Do, I do.

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So every week on our Facebook page, I try to

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come up with an interesting question to ask you guys

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to see what you the fans think. Have their fingers

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on the pulse of Star Trek. Sometimes they're good polls,

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sometimes they're not so Eric. What do our minions have

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to say this week?

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Oh man, we are starting out with a poll from

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one of the best unsung series out there. In the

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animated series episode The Counterclock incident commodore April. That's right,

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that April facing retirement is given the choice of becoming

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young again and forgetting everything he knows, or retiring with

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his wife. Do you agree with his decision to not

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remain young? And eighty percent of our poll responders said yes,

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April made the right decision, and only twenty percent thought

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that he should have taken that fountain of youth and

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gotten young instead. I will say I'm one hundred percent

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on board with April because I think growing old with

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your wife is one of the coolest things that you

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can do in life, So I agree with his decision.

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Yeah, this is if I remember correctly. You guys can

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correct me if I'm wrong. But because I haven't seen

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this movie in ages, but I believe this was the

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same question that Ron Howard asked in Cocoon, wasn't it?

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I mean kind of yeah.

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In Cocoon, they found those cocoons in the pool that

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made them get younger, But when they got younger, they

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didn't know the things that they knew when they were older.

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Am I right or wrong? It's been a long time.

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Well, I don't know if they lost knowledge. I can't

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it has been a while for me too, But but

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I do think that they're the crux of this question

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is that there is knowledge gained and experience gained as

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one gets older. And to who you know, simply erase

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that is maybe a dubious proposition.

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I don't know. Yeah, I agree. I agree with the

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eighty percent of our I'm sorry, eighty eight percent of

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our minions that said he made the right choice in

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growing old and retiring with his wife rather than getting

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young and forgetting everything. So I'm with our I'm with

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our minions.

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How about you, Paul, Oh, Paul, you're muted, buddy.

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I know a solution to that. Let's see, what would

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be the point of being young if you have nothing

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of value to think about? So it's just one of

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I don't know, it just seems it's one of those

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you know, choices that just seems a little pointless because

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it's like, you know, of course, everyone I mean, I

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can't imagine. I'd love to talk to the person who oh,

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I'd like to stay young, but have no thoughts in

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my head and no memories of anything, And I mean,

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what were you thinking? But you know, everyone's different, clearly,

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So I don't know. But yeah, I would be in

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the eighty percent group because it's like, you know, it's

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a youth is really overrated from my opinion. A right,

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it's I wouldn't go back to my youth for any

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freaking amount of money you could name. All right, Nope,

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that's a big note.

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Nope, nope, all right. How about you, Charles, Are you

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with our minions or against arminions?

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I agree with our minions? Do I really want to

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sit there? It's like, yeah, being young, it'd be nice

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that have achy knees anymore, But to give up my

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past wouldn't be worth it. Too many good memories in

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my past, too much, too much of growing up with

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sci fi, and all of a sudden forgetting all the

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sci fi I have seen after we watch it over.

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Yeah, but then you get to relive it for the

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first time again.

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Yes, but then I don't have the memories that sit

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there watching Next Generation.

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With my mom.

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True. True. And now we get to come to David,

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who already is young. So I guess it's a different

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question for David.

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I just shaved, so I look young, but technically I'm

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not all that young. I have to agree with the

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eighty percent folk because I just realized what that question

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how we read and I was just thinking, why would

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you want to grow young again and forget everything you

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want without your wife being there? So it's like, no,

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that's not a.

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Thing for me.

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All right, So our truck. Yeah, experts are with the

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minions on this one, all right, unanimous? All right, Eric,

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what's our next one? All right?

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Our next one is an episode eighteen of the second

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season of Next Generation Up the Long Ladder, Riker kills

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a clone of himself with no real moral dilemma. Do

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you agree with his decision? And eighty eight percent of

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our responders said yes, they agree with Riker's decision to

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kill his clone, and twelve percent said no. And I

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would guess that at least twenty five percent of that

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twelve percent is me because despite the fact that mister

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tim Russ himself says that it was correct to kill Neelix,

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I still am not so sure myself. A different episode,

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but same concept.

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Yeah. Well, the reason why I put this one out

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there is because, you know, is the is the clone

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of Riker a life form? Does the clone of Riker

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have a right to exist independently of Riker? And the

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fact that Riker just pulled out his phaser and just

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killed him without any remorse or or really anything. He

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just just killed them cold blooded murder. So I guess

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I'm with I'm with the twelve percent too.

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Wow, I mean I have to I think you have

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to go back to I mean, Star Trek luckily has

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answered this question for us, right if you go back

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to the episode Measure of a Man, where sentience is

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defined by Data and Riker during Data's trial, and if

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a being comes into being and his sentient and they're

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just oft because they happen to be a copy of

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somebody else, is that a moral decision? I think Measure

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of a Man taught us that it's not.

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Yeah, I think that remember this episode correctly. It's been

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a long time too. I think Riker was pissed off

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because he was cloned illegally. Not illegally, but they kidnapped

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him and then cloned him without his knowledge or you know, approval,

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So he felt that he had a right to just

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kill the clone because he never gave it permission to

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exist in the first place. If I remember the episode correctly,

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and I just think that murder is murder, period, I mean.

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That to me, presumes some sort of ownership over the clone.

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I understand that you do have ownership over your own DNA,

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And I think is these you know, as time goes

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by and technology increases, these sorts of questions are going

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to come up more often. I actually just saw a

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movie that sort of explores this a little bit too.

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I can't gosh, it's in the movie theater right now,

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and I can't think of the name. It's something seventeen.

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I can't remember the guy's name, but basically he gets

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killed off over and over and over again. Oh yeah,

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and yeah, it's like, what are the moral implications of

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just cloning somebody's DNA and making another person that's just

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liked them? I don't know.

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Yeah, I mean I this brings up the question cloning

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yourself so that you can harvest your organs for yourself.

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Yeah, that was also in an episode exactly.

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See they're all connected. Yeah, sot lot to unpack here.

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What about you, Paul, If if you found out that

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there was another Paul running around out there, would you

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just go and bump them off?

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It's called time management, brother, I would have so much

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more free time in my schedule because I would I

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would work out a you know, a relationship with my clone,

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so that there were things I wanted to do and

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there were things I did not want to do, and

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we would you know, I would convince him to you otherwise.

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More importantly, though, up the Long Ladder? Is this that

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really kind of painful to sit through? Like kind of

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Irish Brigadoon episode of Star Trek the Next Generation where

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there's a lot of really question raised a lot of

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really questionable Irish accents being put around John Nukecard. Yet

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if I could ever sit through that episode again, it

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was incredibly painful. I mean, it was like bad you know,

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bad community theater. I'm just like, you know, if the

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Clones got one of those Birish Irish accents, I say,

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off them, but you know if he doesn't. If he doesn't,

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then you know we'll talk. But you know, I mean

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that was just like, I mean, it's one of those

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episodes the days of syndication when like Next Gen was

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on five days a week, right, and you'd be, oh,

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hopefully it's a good one. Hopefully it's a good one. Right,

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It'll be like, oh cool, it's you know, conspiracy or whatever.

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Right then you come on and this one comes on,

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You're like, oh, guess I'm going to the bar. So's

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I can't handle it? Man, bad episode.

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It was a bad episode, but it still had a

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moral question.

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They all did all these episodes. Every start trek has

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a moral question. Most of them like ninety nine percent right?

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But so are you with our minions that he made

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the right choice or not?

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I think he probably. You know, it's a short sighted choice, right,

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you know, murders stupid. You know, it just shows that

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you're like, you know, I don't have enough brain power

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to figure out a better solution. I would say it

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was a stupid choice. So I guess I'll answer answer B.

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You can take some of the percentages away from you know,

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the higher number.

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All right, how about you, Charles? So far our truck

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sports are against dominions. We all fall in the twelve

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percent category. What about you?

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Okay? I nice to remember back in a college course

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for ethics, we actually did a group project talking about cloning.

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And this was back in the ear when Dolly was

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being clone and the ethics of cloning animals to duplicate them.

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I'm also thinking back in this episode, part of what's

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happening with the society was they had access to this

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colony who I think was losing where they lived. It

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had to be transported up the ship, and they were like,

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but we want to just sit there and clone and

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keep within our own community. We don't want to sit

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there and expand our genetic code. And they were thinking, well,

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we make the solution by sitting there and cloning these

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crew members from the Enterprise, so we can sit there

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and put good stock into our genetic code without semi permission. Now,

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I think maybe with permission they might be to do something.

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But when you sit there and capture these people and

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clone them without even getting permission, I could see where

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Riker was getting bad. And the thing is they're being

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total to think, well, yes, but you've got this Irish

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stock that needs up like to stay and is ready

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to sit there and add good genetic code to your society.

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And I think it was just push.

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Go ahead. Eric.

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Sorry, I was just gonna ask you a question. So,

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based on the class that you took where you talked

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about this sort of stuff, So let's say that Riker

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was cloned but he never found out that he was cloned.

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Does that change the ethics of it at all?

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I think there's still an ethical issue of cloning somebody

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without their position, their permitsure of their knowledge. Look at

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how much it's gonna have. Look at how much issues

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we had with Thomas Riker that was that was, that

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was a conflict. Yes, he was the right to live,

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but he also sat there joined the Maquis and really

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had some problems and used Riker to try to push

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his way through a situation though you shouldn't have been in.

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So I'm going to kind of follow with the minions

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on this one that I think he did it do

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the ef fact of do other people have right to

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sit there and clone me throwing clone ourselves maybe and

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have maybe the ability to do something to be able

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to have a relationship. But in that case, I don't

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think they even had a relationship with would have had

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a relationship with those clones. So they were just genetic

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stock to sit there and keep. Because you can bring

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too often you start bringing uh problems to the gene code.

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What if you create eat? Not to belabor this, but

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like I love the idea of talking about someday, what

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if you create a digital copy? You know, is that

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different from a from a physical copy. There's all sorts

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of like layers of this conversation that I think are

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really interesting.

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Okay, I reckon, we don't have to do now.

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But no, I know.

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There's a book out there and I can't remember the

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full title of it, but I like the titon subtitle

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we Are Bob, and it goes into that. It's an

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interesting conversation, interesting because there's drift and change between clones.

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Yeah, so you're you're You're with the truck Spurts on

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this one.

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No, I'm with I'm with the Minions.

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On this one.

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You're with the Minions. All right, well how about you?

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Are you a truck Spurt? Are you a truck Spurt

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or a Minion this week?

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So honestly, I have completely forgotten about this episode. I

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didn't realize Riker was cloned before before Riker not Thomas,

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so I when I read this, I was like, wait,

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he killed off Thomage. I don't remember that, But uh,

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I don't know. I honestly think that cloning is a

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very strange topic. I mean, when it comes to an

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actual life for him, sure, there might be some ethical

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stuff in there, but when it comes to just growing parts,

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like what if somebody needed a new arm, you know,

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or a liver or you know, any kind of organ.

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So I don't know that that's completely separate back there,

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of course. But to me, I think I kind of

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agree with the trust works here that if they if

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he found out without uh here content of people cloning him,

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I think he had to write to go ahead and

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kill the clone because, like what Eric said, if you are,

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if you are in charge of your DNA, that clone,

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it's also a part of you as well. So technically

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is it the same person?

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I have insens?

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Yeah, I know, but you have to write to your

471
00:28:23.759 --> 00:28:27.400
own DNA though, so I don't know. It's an interesting topic,

472
00:28:27.599 --> 00:28:30.480
but I would have to say I'm actually with the

473
00:28:30.519 --> 00:28:31.559
text Church on this one.

474
00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:34.279
So it's a nope.

475
00:28:36.599 --> 00:28:38.920
All right. So there you have it. There's our there's

476
00:28:38.960 --> 00:28:40.920
our poll questions for this week, and I'm glad that

477
00:28:41.000 --> 00:28:44.720
we had a conversation about it because that's that's the

478
00:28:44.759 --> 00:28:47.200
whole purpose of these polls is to think about things

479
00:28:47.839 --> 00:28:49.599
that maybe you wouldn't think about otherwise.

480
00:28:49.720 --> 00:28:52.440
You know, if you haven't seen it, Jim, you got

481
00:28:52.519 --> 00:28:56.960
to watch Similitude season three, episode ten of Start Trek Enterprise,

482
00:28:57.000 --> 00:28:59.359
which deals with this exact situation.

483
00:29:00.160 --> 00:29:02.279
I think we had a pull question about. Is that

484
00:29:02.519 --> 00:29:04.880
the one where the doctor lets the whole race die?

485
00:29:05.319 --> 00:29:08.960
No, this is the one where Trip clones a body,

486
00:29:09.440 --> 00:29:11.400
or somebody clones a body for Trips so that they

487
00:29:11.480 --> 00:29:17.160
can use its organs to help Trip live oh walking.

488
00:29:18.799 --> 00:29:19.519
Lab basically.

489
00:29:20.480 --> 00:29:26.160
Wow. So Star Trek has this cloning issue quite frequently apparently. Well,

490
00:29:26.200 --> 00:29:28.880
I think that Charles is right. The whole purpose of

491
00:29:28.960 --> 00:29:32.400
this was there was there was five or six clones

492
00:29:32.839 --> 00:29:35.839
and they couldn't reproduce anymore, and they actually had to

493
00:29:35.920 --> 00:29:38.039
go up to the ship and have sex with the

494
00:29:38.160 --> 00:29:40.799
Irish women, and they didn't want to do it. So

495
00:29:40.920 --> 00:29:43.440
that's why they stole Riker and they stole these people

496
00:29:43.640 --> 00:29:48.359
and whatnot. It's a cheesy episode, but I like the

497
00:29:48.839 --> 00:29:51.480
moral question about it. So all right, guys, that wraps

498
00:29:51.559 --> 00:29:54.319
up our Star Trek polls. Head over to our Facebook

499
00:29:54.400 --> 00:29:58.519
page and make sure you answer this week's polls. All right,

500
00:29:59.240 --> 00:30:03.200
you guys, miss Low Yes, I know I do a

501
00:30:03.279 --> 00:30:06.200
lot of people miss Lower Decks. Well, luckily for us,

502
00:30:06.720 --> 00:30:10.759
there's a Lower Decks comic book. And uh yeah, so

503
00:30:10.839 --> 00:30:13.200
we're going to talk about issue number one. I think

504
00:30:13.279 --> 00:30:17.839
they just put out issue number five. Yes, Yeah, so

505
00:30:18.440 --> 00:30:20.559
we are a couple of issues behind, but not that

506
00:30:20.799 --> 00:30:25.960
far behind. So who wants to get us started on

507
00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:28.920
Lower Decks issue number one? Paul? You want to start

508
00:30:29.000 --> 00:30:29.559
us on this one?

509
00:30:33.920 --> 00:30:38.519
Sure? Okay, we are we recapping or how do you

510
00:30:38.599 --> 00:30:40.039
want to? How do you want to handle it.

511
00:30:40.640 --> 00:30:44.079
Anyway that you want to? It's okay, it's a freelance deal.

512
00:30:44.279 --> 00:30:48.279
Yeah. I would say this is a pretty decent issue

513
00:30:48.319 --> 00:30:49.720
for the most part. I mean, I think they it's

514
00:30:49.799 --> 00:30:52.480
it's interesting because it's like if you're in a comic shop, uh,

515
00:30:53.519 --> 00:30:55.880
trying to shrack this down. They had done a whole

516
00:30:56.000 --> 00:30:58.359
earlier series of Lower Decks comics, and so there is

517
00:30:58.400 --> 00:31:01.079
another issue one out there that will cause some confusion

518
00:31:01.119 --> 00:31:03.319
for folks that was done earlier in their run, and

519
00:31:03.400 --> 00:31:10.519
so they're kind of rebooting the U the uh, the

520
00:31:10.599 --> 00:31:13.160
whole title, if you will, right, I think kind of

521
00:31:13.200 --> 00:31:15.880
in tandem with right around the same time period that

522
00:31:16.000 --> 00:31:20.000
the show ended, right, And I just want to grab

523
00:31:20.079 --> 00:31:23.039
some notes here, guys, so bear with me. But basically

524
00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:25.000
things kind of start off with like what I would

525
00:31:25.039 --> 00:31:29.000
almost equate with like a montage, right of like about

526
00:31:29.119 --> 00:31:32.680
four or five one page kind of jokey episodes where

527
00:31:33.119 --> 00:31:35.880
it seems like something bad is going to happen, right,

528
00:31:36.079 --> 00:31:39.920
and that there's an issue. You know, these missions keep

529
00:31:40.039 --> 00:31:42.559
happening that seem like they'll be perilous and exciting, but

530
00:31:42.720 --> 00:31:46.359
nothing ever really comes of them, and everything just resolves

531
00:31:46.400 --> 00:31:49.279
itself kind of organically and quickly. Right, So it's like

532
00:31:49.400 --> 00:31:51.519
no big whoop, right there you go. And so as

533
00:31:51.519 --> 00:31:54.599
a result of that, Mariner is kind of pining for

534
00:31:54.680 --> 00:31:58.599
something to happen. She's pining away for a real adventure

535
00:31:58.759 --> 00:32:01.079
to occur, and she hopes that will be the case.

536
00:32:01.160 --> 00:32:03.640
I'm looking at my issue here right now to make

537
00:32:03.680 --> 00:32:08.599
sure I'm on tap with everything. So and then to me,

538
00:32:08.720 --> 00:32:11.319
it's like one of the funniest bits on here. And

539
00:32:12.079 --> 00:32:16.119
I think, first of all, for me, kudos to Ryan

540
00:32:16.200 --> 00:32:19.240
North who wrote this. Because the characters all speak very

541
00:32:19.319 --> 00:32:22.920
much in the same you know style that we're used

542
00:32:22.960 --> 00:32:26.839
to them talking in on the show, right, So it's

543
00:32:26.920 --> 00:32:29.359
done with a lot of fealty and affection, which is great.

544
00:32:29.799 --> 00:32:33.000
But they stumble across this area of space that they

545
00:32:33.079 --> 00:32:36.319
called the Delta triangle. It's like a Bermuda triangle in space. Right.

546
00:32:36.359 --> 00:32:38.759
And then this may sound a little familiar to folks, right,

547
00:32:38.839 --> 00:32:43.079
who were fans of previous iterations of Star Trek, And

548
00:32:43.119 --> 00:32:46.319
then you realize about midway through this section that what

549
00:32:46.359 --> 00:32:50.680
they're doing is they're kind of having fun and mining

550
00:32:50.960 --> 00:32:54.079
some content from one of the original episodes of the

551
00:32:54.200 --> 00:32:59.519
animated series, right that they even you refer to by

552
00:32:59.640 --> 00:33:02.559
name time Trap, right. I believe it was right from

553
00:33:02.640 --> 00:33:06.079
the first season. And it's actually pretty funny because they

554
00:33:06.119 --> 00:33:09.319
get a hold of like Kirk's captain's log, right, and

555
00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:13.359
they're totally riffing on the fact that, you know, everyone's

556
00:33:13.359 --> 00:33:16.039
commenting on it, like why why is he leading the

557
00:33:16.079 --> 00:33:18.319
camera and doing his log so close up? Right, So

558
00:33:18.359 --> 00:33:21.519
they're having fun with all of the kind of commenting,

559
00:33:21.680 --> 00:33:25.279
you know, breaking the walls there to talk about like,

560
00:33:25.359 --> 00:33:27.039
you know, the style in which they were done, and

561
00:33:27.160 --> 00:33:30.440
kind of like in the animated style of nineteen seventy three,

562
00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:33.039
right where it's like, wait a minute, it's his captain's log.

563
00:33:33.119 --> 00:33:34.519
He was talking to the camera, but all of a sudden,

564
00:33:34.519 --> 00:33:37.920
there's this external footage from way out in space showing

565
00:33:38.000 --> 00:33:39.920
ships and where would that come from? And they're trying

566
00:33:39.960 --> 00:33:42.279
to like rationalize how all this is And I thought

567
00:33:42.359 --> 00:33:44.880
that was that was really, you know, fun in that

568
00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:47.400
fourth wall breaking kind of way because they're having a

569
00:33:47.480 --> 00:33:50.799
lot of amusing points of that and they realize this

570
00:33:50.920 --> 00:33:57.279
ship is like an earlier precursor of the Constitution class ships, right,

571
00:33:58.079 --> 00:34:08.360
one that Mariner recognizes as the name escapes me the

572
00:34:08.440 --> 00:34:11.679
baram Venturer. Yeah, the US's Bond or the S the

573
00:34:11.760 --> 00:34:14.039
Barn of Venture a whole different, but it's like from

574
00:34:14.079 --> 00:34:17.239
like the early styles of you know, pre Constitution class

575
00:34:17.360 --> 00:34:19.639
or whatever, and a lot of people into the different

576
00:34:19.679 --> 00:34:21.599
classes the ships or whatever, and so they're like, Okay,

577
00:34:21.599 --> 00:34:23.159
we don't understand how it got out of this time

578
00:34:23.239 --> 00:34:26.199
trap kind of deal and what happened, and we're going

579
00:34:26.280 --> 00:34:28.159
to go over there in our environmental suits. We're going

580
00:34:28.199 --> 00:34:31.840
to figure out what's going on. And they and they

581
00:34:31.920 --> 00:34:35.280
do when they go over there, and not a lot happens.

582
00:34:35.440 --> 00:34:38.800
Things seem to keep happening without great explanations once they're

583
00:34:38.840 --> 00:34:40.679
in there, and then all of a sudden, the ship

584
00:34:40.800 --> 00:34:42.679
just you're like, how did the ship get out of

585
00:34:42.719 --> 00:34:44.559
the time trap? And how did these systems come on?

586
00:34:44.639 --> 00:34:47.159
And why are other systems not coming on? And then

587
00:34:47.199 --> 00:34:49.400
at the end of the I think David had a

588
00:34:49.440 --> 00:34:51.960
panel up there from it. Right at the very end

589
00:34:52.039 --> 00:34:54.719
of the issue, right, all of a sudden, people seem

590
00:34:54.800 --> 00:34:57.400
to just like be bleeping out of existence and the

591
00:34:57.480 --> 00:35:00.599
ship just goes to warp and Ransom sitting there going

592
00:35:00.679 --> 00:35:02.079
what the hell happened? What's going on?

593
00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:02.559
Right?

594
00:35:02.679 --> 00:35:05.840
So I found the first half of this issue more

595
00:35:06.159 --> 00:35:10.039
satisfying than the second half, really, But I mean it

596
00:35:10.119 --> 00:35:14.960
really shouldn't be denigrated for that, because as the issue ends, right,

597
00:35:15.159 --> 00:35:17.360
it says to be continued. So it's just, you know,

598
00:35:17.440 --> 00:35:20.000
it's a monthly title. You don't really get the resolution

599
00:35:20.119 --> 00:35:23.079
of the story because they're not standalone titles. They're connected

600
00:35:23.400 --> 00:35:25.320
through here, so you're gonna have to get issued too

601
00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:27.400
to really find out. But I thought the whole bit

602
00:35:27.519 --> 00:35:32.039
commenting on animated series Kirk was hilarious. I thought that

603
00:35:32.159 --> 00:35:36.320
was really really fun and enjoyable. Something I did not

604
00:35:36.519 --> 00:35:39.320
think that worked. I think they've done this in previous issues.

605
00:35:40.400 --> 00:35:42.920
Visual aids I think are helpful. At the bottom of

606
00:35:43.119 --> 00:35:46.599
just about every page for the first half of the comic,

607
00:35:46.719 --> 00:35:51.639
there's some wacky banter that gets put on there, kind

608
00:35:51.679 --> 00:35:55.280
of like a little editorial kind of commentary, almost like

609
00:35:55.320 --> 00:35:58.599
they're trying to do those little asides like Stanley used

610
00:35:58.599 --> 00:36:01.639
to do in Marvel. Right, hey, editor's perspective on this

611
00:36:01.760 --> 00:36:04.960
thing here, and those really fell flat. I don't think

612
00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:07.280
that they serve much purpose at all. It is trying to,

613
00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:09.639
you know, squeeze in some extra jokes, but they weren't

614
00:36:09.840 --> 00:36:12.159
funny and they didn't really serve much purpose, and so

615
00:36:12.440 --> 00:36:15.480
I would have I found them really distracting, and every

616
00:36:15.519 --> 00:36:17.599
time I went down to read one, I felt that it,

617
00:36:18.320 --> 00:36:20.159
you know, kind of sucked the momentum out of my

618
00:36:20.280 --> 00:36:23.199
experience with the issue. So a good start, I think

619
00:36:23.239 --> 00:36:24.760
I'm curious to see where it goes. An issue too,

620
00:36:24.800 --> 00:36:27.639
which I've not read yet. Some of these are piling up. Yeah,

621
00:36:27.639 --> 00:36:29.719
there's people just winking out of existence in front of

622
00:36:29.800 --> 00:36:32.519
Ransom there kind of weird to me. As soon as

623
00:36:32.559 --> 00:36:35.599
they get over to the Bottom Venture, right, all of

624
00:36:35.639 --> 00:36:39.760
a sudden, Mariner basically has nothing to do. She's been

625
00:36:39.880 --> 00:36:42.480
the main character in the first half of the issue,

626
00:36:43.000 --> 00:36:45.280
complaining about, oh, I wish I had a real adventure.

627
00:36:45.280 --> 00:36:47.599
I wish I had a real adventure, right bemowning all that.

628
00:36:47.760 --> 00:36:49.719
But then once they're over on the bottom Venture and

629
00:36:49.800 --> 00:36:52.480
the adventure starts, I don't think she has two lines

630
00:36:52.519 --> 00:36:55.119
of dialogue, and she's basically kind of, you know, really

631
00:36:55.239 --> 00:36:58.119
relegated to you know, background status. So I'll be curious

632
00:36:58.519 --> 00:37:01.559
what happens with her, and I'm that she'll move more

633
00:37:01.599 --> 00:37:04.400
to the forefront of the story to have an adventure.

634
00:37:04.559 --> 00:37:07.159
When that happens, there's a bit of a red herring

635
00:37:07.199 --> 00:37:09.199
involving the Holely Deck, but I don't know if that's

636
00:37:09.280 --> 00:37:11.320
going to pay off or not, so we'll wait and see.

637
00:37:11.559 --> 00:37:13.199
But that's what I thought, so kind of fun, you know,

638
00:37:13.320 --> 00:37:15.039
and it's nice to be able to have if folks

639
00:37:15.159 --> 00:37:18.920
really like lower decks and the show's gone now presumably

640
00:37:19.039 --> 00:37:21.360
unless somebody picks it up somewhere else. It's kind of

641
00:37:21.440 --> 00:37:24.119
nice that our good friends at IDW, who've been cranking

642
00:37:24.159 --> 00:37:27.239
out Star Trek for a quarter century, are finding a

643
00:37:27.280 --> 00:37:31.360
way to keep going and still provide more lower decks

644
00:37:31.440 --> 00:37:34.000
content for folks. Because it plays like an episode, you know,

645
00:37:34.039 --> 00:37:35.679
it reads like an episode for the most part, and

646
00:37:35.760 --> 00:37:39.159
there's a lot of the same fun tweaking existing parts

647
00:37:39.159 --> 00:37:44.159
of the franchise. So that's me I absolutely agree, Paul.

648
00:37:44.320 --> 00:37:47.199
To me, this felt like I was reading an episode

649
00:37:48.480 --> 00:37:53.239
just like the previous comic books that we talked about Dracula. Yes,

650
00:37:53.400 --> 00:37:57.880
and they mentioned Dracula in this particular episode comic as well.

651
00:37:58.360 --> 00:38:01.119
That was the original I think it was a three

652
00:38:01.239 --> 00:38:02.840
part comic, was it, Eric?

653
00:38:04.000 --> 00:38:05.400
I think I think that's right. It might have been.

654
00:38:06.519 --> 00:38:07.960
I can't remember off the top of my head. Yeah

655
00:38:08.079 --> 00:38:08.239
it was.

656
00:38:09.280 --> 00:38:12.280
It was a short three three okay, And we get

657
00:38:12.320 --> 00:38:15.079
to see holographic Dracula, and I like the fact that

658
00:38:15.159 --> 00:38:18.679
they reference that in this book, so you can go

659
00:38:18.800 --> 00:38:20.239
back and check that out if you want to know

660
00:38:20.280 --> 00:38:23.199
what they're talking. I want to see holographic Dracula hanging

661
00:38:23.239 --> 00:38:26.800
out with holographic Frankenstein. They mentioned it in the comic book,

662
00:38:26.840 --> 00:38:30.199
but we didn't actually get to ever see it. But yeah,

663
00:38:30.440 --> 00:38:33.039
I agree with Paul. This really felt like I was

664
00:38:33.159 --> 00:38:34.159
watching an episode.

665
00:38:34.760 --> 00:38:35.039
It was.

666
00:38:35.280 --> 00:38:39.519
It was phenomenal lower decks. I think is perfect for

667
00:38:39.639 --> 00:38:42.840
the comic book medium. And I think that these writers

668
00:38:43.159 --> 00:38:46.360
know their characters and they catch them perfect. I mean,

669
00:38:46.639 --> 00:38:49.400
there's this whole thing at the beginning with Tahana where

670
00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:53.159
they have some type of galactic measles outbreak or or

671
00:38:53.679 --> 00:38:56.960
or some type of virus, and she's doing her f

672
00:38:57.119 --> 00:39:00.440
ing thing and F this and f that and complete

673
00:39:00.480 --> 00:39:03.800
Tahna style, and she she cures the whole virus in

674
00:39:03.880 --> 00:39:09.880
a matter of what so I mean. I thought that

675
00:39:10.079 --> 00:39:14.559
was great because that's so Tahna. Unlike Paul, though, I

676
00:39:14.679 --> 00:39:17.400
did enjoy the little the little I don't know what

677
00:39:17.480 --> 00:39:20.760
the hell you call him, the things on the bottom

678
00:39:20.760 --> 00:39:25.119
of the page from the writers. I enjoyed that as

679
00:39:25.159 --> 00:39:28.440
a little little side thing. And I really like the

680
00:39:28.519 --> 00:39:32.440
fact that they referenced Tos and they actually talked about

681
00:39:32.519 --> 00:39:35.039
the Enterprise being mounted on top of the Klingon ship

682
00:39:35.199 --> 00:39:38.440
and the Gorn and the Klingons and stuff like that.

683
00:39:38.800 --> 00:39:43.199
I really really enjoyed it. So I personally can't recommend

684
00:39:43.239 --> 00:39:46.119
this issue enough. I thought the artwork was great. I

685
00:39:46.159 --> 00:39:51.360
thought the characterizations they felt like their characters. You know,

686
00:39:51.639 --> 00:39:54.159
Tendy didn't really have a lot to do in this

687
00:39:54.360 --> 00:39:57.239
one and Rutherford didn't have a lot really to do

688
00:39:57.360 --> 00:39:59.880
in this one. But like Paul said, this is only

689
00:40:00.039 --> 00:40:01.800
part one of part two, and this is going to

690
00:40:01.840 --> 00:40:06.239
be a monthly ongoing thing, so who knows if they're

691
00:40:06.360 --> 00:40:08.360
even gonna wrap this up in the next issue. It

692
00:40:08.440 --> 00:40:10.960
might go on for another issue, who knows. But I

693
00:40:11.119 --> 00:40:13.880
personally highly recommend it. I thought it was great. The

694
00:40:14.000 --> 00:40:17.440
artwork was great, the characterizations were great, and I recommend it.

695
00:40:17.599 --> 00:40:18.960
So how about you, Charles.

696
00:40:22.960 --> 00:40:27.639
Okay, actually looking at my comic, I love how we

697
00:40:27.760 --> 00:40:32.800
get this twenty mints of things and I'm gonna break

698
00:40:32.880 --> 00:40:35.639
the wall up and said He's at the bottom starring

699
00:40:35.760 --> 00:40:41.480
Tiana as herself and she successfully clears off this virus.

700
00:40:43.840 --> 00:40:47.159
And then I love the episodes where it's like, ah,

701
00:40:48.039 --> 00:40:53.519
the Crito's encounter, you go for two all cells, I

702
00:40:53.639 --> 00:40:59.400
watch tower a couple of cells. Can we do this

703
00:41:00.440 --> 00:41:04.199
three times? And I like how we kind of go.

704
00:41:04.320 --> 00:41:08.760
It's like, oh, we're gonna have this avenger and nothing happens,

705
00:41:13.719 --> 00:41:15.960
and that's where we kind of get married. It's like, okay,

706
00:41:16.079 --> 00:41:21.039
nothing's going on. That's just boring. Nothing really occurs during this.

707
00:41:22.719 --> 00:41:26.559
They think that they're gonna have this big occurrence. They

708
00:41:26.760 --> 00:41:30.320
walk on the bridge and it's like, oh gee, there's

709
00:41:30.360 --> 00:41:32.639
a Tos reference and it's like and we see just

710
00:41:32.719 --> 00:41:34.920
a screen. It's like, oh, we're in a Christmas tree.

711
00:41:35.159 --> 00:41:40.480
It's like, oh yeah, some higher being is playing around

712
00:41:40.679 --> 00:41:48.079
with another another creature. Again, it's like, okay, go to

713
00:41:48.199 --> 00:41:52.960
your room. It's like, no, we're doing something. No, we're

714
00:41:53.000 --> 00:41:57.440
not going to do anything. They think maybe the hall,

715
00:41:57.880 --> 00:42:00.239
they think maybe the holid deck is where they sit

716
00:42:00.320 --> 00:42:04.639
there and maybe get something going on, and the captain

717
00:42:04.719 --> 00:42:07.599
lets them know, Oh, there's something you want to see.

718
00:42:08.880 --> 00:42:11.480
Oh you're trying to get our hopes up again, aren't you.

719
00:42:13.400 --> 00:42:17.559
I thought you might one adventure And I love how

720
00:42:17.679 --> 00:42:21.559
Mariner comes in and recognize the ship. And I believe

721
00:42:21.559 --> 00:42:26.280
it was something like an old warp for ship, but

722
00:42:26.440 --> 00:42:30.800
the people recognized it. We're okay, we're five, but I

723
00:42:30.880 --> 00:42:35.960
think it was two point. But they were talking about

724
00:42:36.159 --> 00:42:43.000
the fact that it was after Enterprise but before the

725
00:42:43.119 --> 00:42:46.840
Constant of the Constitutions came out, which I thought was

726
00:42:46.880 --> 00:42:49.119
an interesting ship. It's a oh that's an ugly ship.

727
00:42:49.199 --> 00:42:54.920
It's like, it's an interesting looking ship. But definitely, I

728
00:42:55.039 --> 00:42:57.360
just thought I liked that you other bringing this odd

729
00:42:57.440 --> 00:43:02.800
ship in and and don't want to investigate it and

730
00:43:03.239 --> 00:43:07.000
how it came to be and workers from there. I

731
00:43:07.239 --> 00:43:10.840
like what they do with this episode. I actually have

732
00:43:11.039 --> 00:43:14.599
caught up to issue four, but I like what they're

733
00:43:14.639 --> 00:43:18.480
done with the series so far, looking forward to cracking

734
00:43:18.559 --> 00:43:23.480
open five. I've had an issue with Amazon. It's like, okay,

735
00:43:23.719 --> 00:43:26.440
Paul says, if you're five now it's like, why didn't

736
00:43:26.440 --> 00:43:28.880
I get it? It's like, Okay, my subscription didn't work

737
00:43:28.920 --> 00:43:32.719
for some reason. Okay, download it, get in my collection

738
00:43:32.880 --> 00:43:37.800
so I can read it. But another good episode, Greg,

739
00:43:37.880 --> 00:43:44.719
glad to see IDW's keeping going. Now.

740
00:43:45.360 --> 00:43:48.159
Isn't the USA. Isn't the bond Adventure the ship that

741
00:43:48.360 --> 00:43:50.440
crashed in Return of the Arkons?

742
00:43:54.159 --> 00:43:58.880
No, it was the starship ARCon in the Return of

743
00:43:58.880 --> 00:44:01.880
the Archons, right, That's why they were called the Archives,

744
00:44:02.880 --> 00:44:03.880
Because I.

745
00:44:04.159 --> 00:44:07.440
Swear the Bonta Venture was mentioned on a TOS episode,

746
00:44:07.519 --> 00:44:10.320
but we never saw this ship. Was that the Patterns

747
00:44:10.360 --> 00:44:14.239
of Forrest? Was that the ship I thought mentioned in

748
00:44:14.320 --> 00:44:19.280
A Yeah it sounds familiar to me, but I don't

749
00:44:19.320 --> 00:44:20.199
seem it was in A.

750
00:44:20.400 --> 00:44:22.639
Well, Paul mentioned the TAS episode that it was in.

751
00:44:22.960 --> 00:44:25.639
Yeah, I know I've heard it, all right, David, what

752
00:44:26.079 --> 00:44:28.519
do you think I enjoyed it.

753
00:44:29.639 --> 00:44:34.599
I'm not much of a comic enthusis the rest of

754
00:44:34.679 --> 00:44:37.360
my trust first, sure, but I actually enjoyed it. I laughed,

755
00:44:37.920 --> 00:44:42.519
I cried, kidding, okay, but you know it was really fun.

756
00:44:42.800 --> 00:44:43.639
I enjoyed it.

757
00:44:44.679 --> 00:44:46.800
It told me a while to try and figure out

758
00:44:46.800 --> 00:44:49.239
because I don't really read comments and try. I tried

759
00:44:49.280 --> 00:44:53.519
to figure out like which line bubble came first, trying

760
00:44:53.519 --> 00:44:56.360
to figure out like, okay, so who's talking here? And

761
00:44:56.440 --> 00:44:58.639
so then I realized you have to go from like

762
00:44:58.719 --> 00:45:01.840
a regular book left right. So it was just kind

763
00:45:01.880 --> 00:45:05.199
of like trying to follow the diagrams and everything. So

764
00:45:05.559 --> 00:45:11.760
it was a little interesting, but I I laughed out

765
00:45:11.880 --> 00:45:15.079
loud the moment. I believe it was either mayor No

766
00:45:15.360 --> 00:45:19.119
or to Anna who mentioned something about the ship having

767
00:45:19.280 --> 00:45:21.199
eyes like you can see right here.

768
00:45:23.280 --> 00:45:24.960
About the fact that she had a model of it

769
00:45:25.039 --> 00:45:25.880
when she was a kid.

770
00:45:26.519 --> 00:45:33.400
Okay, Yeah, so yeah, that was pretty funny. And then

771
00:45:33.440 --> 00:45:39.920
of course, like Paul reference already the Mudle the triangle,

772
00:45:40.400 --> 00:45:42.880
which is a reference here as the delta triangle, So

773
00:45:43.000 --> 00:45:47.320
I thought that was kind of funny. And then of course, yeah,

774
00:45:47.719 --> 00:45:52.400
I agree with you guys. This the style of the writing,

775
00:45:52.559 --> 00:45:57.000
the word they used two uh like they did in

776
00:45:57.079 --> 00:45:59.960
the show, which really spot on. I really enjoyed reading,

777
00:46:00.280 --> 00:46:03.559
and I just kind of hewing in my head what

778
00:46:03.880 --> 00:46:06.519
the voice sounded like as I would read The Bubbles

779
00:46:06.599 --> 00:46:10.199
and Chuff Show. It would just kind of it was

780
00:46:10.320 --> 00:46:14.280
a pretty interesting comic. And the next comic that we

781
00:46:14.360 --> 00:46:17.400
talk about, though, I'll talk you about that when it

782
00:46:17.440 --> 00:46:20.360
comes along. But other than that, yeah, I enjoyed it.

783
00:46:20.400 --> 00:46:21.079
It was really fun.

784
00:46:21.880 --> 00:46:23.760
You guys touched on a lot of Q point shot

785
00:46:23.880 --> 00:46:27.000
and yeah, I would recommend it.

786
00:46:27.599 --> 00:46:28.719
I recommend it to myself.

787
00:46:29.639 --> 00:46:32.599
All right, well, Eric, you got to hear what all

788
00:46:32.639 --> 00:46:34.760
our trucks berts had to say, and you get to

789
00:46:34.760 --> 00:46:36.639
bring up the caboose with the final thoughts.

790
00:46:37.800 --> 00:46:40.880
Yeah, I mean, not too much more to add. I

791
00:46:41.000 --> 00:46:43.480
will say that for me. Ryan North is one of

792
00:46:43.519 --> 00:46:45.880
my favorite comic book writers. He and I mentioned this,

793
00:46:46.000 --> 00:46:47.840
of course every time we read one of his comics,

794
00:46:47.880 --> 00:46:52.800
but he's the genius behind Squirrel Girl, my personal favorite

795
00:46:53.639 --> 00:46:57.239
superhero and series of comics. There's a lot of fourth

796
00:46:57.280 --> 00:46:59.360
wall breaking that happens in those comics, and there's a

797
00:46:59.440 --> 00:47:02.840
lot of fourth wall breaking that happens as as Paul

798
00:47:02.880 --> 00:47:06.880
already mentioned in this particular issue. So I like that,

799
00:47:07.000 --> 00:47:09.679
and I don't. I think the way that I tend

800
00:47:09.719 --> 00:47:11.559
to read these comics is I sort of read them

801
00:47:11.639 --> 00:47:15.320
through without reading the little subtexts underneath at the bottom

802
00:47:15.320 --> 00:47:16.960
of the page, and then the second time I read

803
00:47:17.039 --> 00:47:19.920
it through, I check those out. It is kind of

804
00:47:20.000 --> 00:47:23.880
another layer of jokes layered on top of other things,

805
00:47:23.960 --> 00:47:26.360
So I don't I don't mind those. I do think

806
00:47:26.400 --> 00:47:29.800
they can be a little bit distracting from the story

807
00:47:29.800 --> 00:47:32.599
if you're not used to that kind of style of writing.

808
00:47:33.559 --> 00:47:36.800
So yeah, I pretty much agree with everything that you

809
00:47:36.840 --> 00:47:39.280
guys said. I thought the story moved really well. I

810
00:47:39.360 --> 00:47:43.679
thought the art was really good. It's compelling, it's funny.

811
00:47:43.800 --> 00:47:47.639
I laughed out loud several times. One of the things

812
00:47:47.719 --> 00:47:51.519
that IDW does these days in a few of their comics,

813
00:47:51.559 --> 00:47:54.679
which I wish, I wish they would realize that, like

814
00:47:54.840 --> 00:47:57.760
some people in their fifties and sixties are reading these moments,

815
00:47:57.880 --> 00:48:00.480
is that they put the very first page. They always

816
00:48:00.519 --> 00:48:04.440
do this summary and the summariason like two point font

817
00:48:04.800 --> 00:48:08.599
like I have to practically pull out my magnifying glass

818
00:48:08.719 --> 00:48:11.280
to even read what's going on, and it makes the

819
00:48:11.400 --> 00:48:14.000
graphics of it all look really cool. I think this

820
00:48:14.159 --> 00:48:18.199
is the world of four K invading our comic books, right, Like,

821
00:48:18.280 --> 00:48:21.039
if you have a seventy two inch television in front

822
00:48:21.039 --> 00:48:23.599
of you, you can have really tiny writing and little

823
00:48:23.639 --> 00:48:25.880
tiny details in the background and you can still see them.

824
00:48:25.920 --> 00:48:30.199
But when I'm reading a comic that's this big, I'm

825
00:48:30.239 --> 00:48:35.599
sorry I can't read two point font so I kind

826
00:48:35.639 --> 00:48:37.599
of wish that they would update that just a little bit.

827
00:48:38.800 --> 00:48:40.960
But you know, maybe the kids love it. I don't know,

828
00:48:42.719 --> 00:48:47.400
so I totally dug. I totally dug this issue. So

829
00:48:47.480 --> 00:48:49.559
many great jokes. I love that they did the animated

830
00:48:49.599 --> 00:48:54.679
series stuff in the animated series style, you know, and

831
00:48:54.800 --> 00:48:59.239
the jokes that various people rip out, whether it's Billups

832
00:48:59.440 --> 00:49:04.199
or Mariner or anybody, are almost always landed to me.

833
00:49:04.320 --> 00:49:07.800
There's the one that I think Paul mentioned something about

834
00:49:07.800 --> 00:49:09.599
when he's put in the when they're talking about the

835
00:49:09.760 --> 00:49:16.639
kirk Logs, there's this scene where where our favorite Vulcan

836
00:49:16.840 --> 00:49:19.079
says something like, I do not understand where they got

837
00:49:19.119 --> 00:49:22.719
this footage from. So that these comics have a tendency

838
00:49:22.800 --> 00:49:25.840
to say the things that I think we're all thinking,

839
00:49:26.400 --> 00:49:29.400
and this issue in particular, I think brings in like

840
00:49:29.639 --> 00:49:32.320
four or five different kind of like well that was

841
00:49:32.400 --> 00:49:36.039
kind of weird in Star Trek moments and sort of

842
00:49:36.360 --> 00:49:39.599
like canonizes them in different ways. So I don't know.

843
00:49:40.079 --> 00:49:44.920
I appreciate the knowledge of Ryan North as the writer

844
00:49:45.239 --> 00:49:46.880
to kind of like be able to bring enough that

845
00:49:46.960 --> 00:49:48.840
I assume he has a team of people who's also

846
00:49:48.960 --> 00:49:53.440
helping him kind of bring this information in and help

847
00:49:53.519 --> 00:49:56.159
the jokes land. So anyway, I thought it was a

848
00:49:56.199 --> 00:50:00.280
fantastic issue. I just really enjoyed it and and I

849
00:50:00.320 --> 00:50:01.199
can't wait to read more.

850
00:50:02.639 --> 00:50:05.559
All right, So that wraps up our review of Lower

851
00:50:05.679 --> 00:50:09.320
Decks issue number one. And Eric, since you brought up

852
00:50:09.320 --> 00:50:11.039
the caboos, do you want to be the engine for

853
00:50:11.159 --> 00:50:12.639
the section thirty one one? Shot?

854
00:50:13.599 --> 00:50:13.800
Ooh?

855
00:50:14.480 --> 00:50:14.880
I can.

856
00:50:15.239 --> 00:50:18.960
I feel like this is one of Paul's special skills though. Okay,

857
00:50:19.119 --> 00:50:20.960
well do you want to give us a summary?

858
00:50:22.639 --> 00:50:25.159
I can, yeah, if you want. Yeah, I don't want

859
00:50:25.159 --> 00:50:27.360
to be You're particularly good at this, so I don't

860
00:50:27.440 --> 00:50:28.719
like to be a monopolizer.

861
00:50:28.960 --> 00:50:32.119
Yeah, but then I recind your offer, Eric, and we'll

862
00:50:32.159 --> 00:50:33.880
send it over to Paul. Cool.

863
00:50:34.599 --> 00:50:39.320
All right, so section thirty one all right? And I

864
00:50:39.599 --> 00:50:42.559
gotta be honest, it was really I mean, I get

865
00:50:42.639 --> 00:50:44.960
every single Star Trek comic that there is in my

866
00:50:45.079 --> 00:50:47.519
subscription box at the comic shot right. I'm like, if

867
00:50:47.519 --> 00:50:50.599
it is Star Treker, Star Wars on it, just subscribe me, right,

868
00:50:50.639 --> 00:50:53.159
I want all of it. But I know when this

869
00:50:53.239 --> 00:50:55.920
came out, I was like, oh God, because I really

870
00:50:56.039 --> 00:50:58.760
was not a fan of like the Section thirty one movie. Right,

871
00:50:58.800 --> 00:51:01.039
I was like, oh man, this is gon and it

872
00:51:01.159 --> 00:51:02.719
felt thick to me, and I'm like, this is gonna

873
00:51:02.719 --> 00:51:04.840
be a big ass story I'm not going to enjoy, right,

874
00:51:04.880 --> 00:51:07.440
And I'm like, ah, so not looking forward to it.

875
00:51:07.599 --> 00:51:11.639
And WHOA breaking news. I enjoyed this so much more

876
00:51:11.679 --> 00:51:16.760
than I was expecting to. For the main reason is

877
00:51:17.800 --> 00:51:21.239
I was really concerned that it was going to involve

878
00:51:21.480 --> 00:51:24.639
a lot of the main story of the Section thirty

879
00:51:24.679 --> 00:51:29.639
one movie with those characters like you know, Snarf and

880
00:51:29.800 --> 00:51:31.840
Douche or whatever the hell their names were, right, or

881
00:51:31.960 --> 00:51:35.519
Wacky Band of Galaxy of the Guardian miscreants, right, And

882
00:51:35.599 --> 00:51:40.119
there was basically it was all the whole issue, you know,

883
00:51:40.199 --> 00:51:42.039
aside from a little button thing at the beginning. In

884
00:51:42.079 --> 00:51:45.760
the end, right, was this is all going back flashback

885
00:51:45.880 --> 00:51:49.360
to that Terran Empire recruit training that we had those

886
00:51:49.440 --> 00:51:52.760
flashbacks for in the Section thirty one movie, right, which

887
00:51:52.840 --> 00:51:55.159
was the best part of the Section thirty one movie. Right,

888
00:51:55.800 --> 00:52:02.239
All that stuff, right, very very flashback, and that's ninety

889
00:52:02.280 --> 00:52:04.320
percent of the content, if not more, in this year.

890
00:52:04.360 --> 00:52:06.159
And I thought that was really interesting, right. I mean,

891
00:52:06.159 --> 00:52:10.039
it's derivative, right, because the whole Terran Empire thing basically

892
00:52:10.280 --> 00:52:13.559
is they go through this thing called the winnowing, right,

893
00:52:13.639 --> 00:52:17.239
which is basically, you know, kind of separating the chaff

894
00:52:17.320 --> 00:52:20.239
from the wheat of your cadet class. Who's got the

895
00:52:20.360 --> 00:52:23.280
chops to be a cold blooded, merciless killer and endure

896
00:52:23.400 --> 00:52:25.599
enough to become you know, you have to be the

897
00:52:25.639 --> 00:52:30.079
biggest bastard ever in order to be willing to be emperor,

898
00:52:30.360 --> 00:52:32.119
sort of like the way they do it in like

899
00:52:32.239 --> 00:52:34.719
the Republican Party, I would say, you know, except there

900
00:52:34.800 --> 00:52:37.159
these it's a little bit more sharp knives, but there

901
00:52:37.199 --> 00:52:41.119
you go, so similar kind of thing there, very Hunger

902
00:52:41.239 --> 00:52:45.599
Games influenced, right, and I don't think anybody would deny that, right.

903
00:52:46.360 --> 00:52:48.880
So just have to go through all these different trials

904
00:52:48.920 --> 00:52:52.760
of the winnowing involving various you know, attacking your classmates

905
00:52:52.840 --> 00:52:56.519
thing in order to determine who is the emperor. And

906
00:52:56.639 --> 00:53:00.280
it's a lot like what we got in the Origin

907
00:53:00.320 --> 00:53:02.360
story from the movie, because they're the same character. Right.

908
00:53:02.519 --> 00:53:07.960
It was the yin Yang deal between Giorgio and Son, right,

909
00:53:08.039 --> 00:53:10.320
who's sort of her kindred first and two of us

910
00:53:10.440 --> 00:53:13.679
and one perfectly timed David two but one right, the

911
00:53:13.719 --> 00:53:16.000
whole thing. It's basically, you know, kind of part of

912
00:53:16.039 --> 00:53:19.719
the movie rendered his comic book form, but it's a

913
00:53:19.760 --> 00:53:21.960
little bit more in depth because we get to see

914
00:53:22.039 --> 00:53:25.480
this really mean instructor, right, the proctor that they have,

915
00:53:25.719 --> 00:53:29.440
who like, you know, kills one of Georgia's friendly classmates

916
00:53:29.480 --> 00:53:31.719
right in front of her and blood splashes on her face. Right,

917
00:53:31.800 --> 00:53:34.400
So you got to love that, right, So that was

918
00:53:34.480 --> 00:53:37.119
kind of cool. Right. So this is the fact that

919
00:53:37.199 --> 00:53:39.280
it was all focused on that whole thing, even though

920
00:53:39.320 --> 00:53:41.159
it was like a little recycled from what you see

921
00:53:41.199 --> 00:53:44.119
in the movie. I think this might have done well

922
00:53:44.280 --> 00:53:47.760
if it was published before the section thirty one movie

923
00:53:47.840 --> 00:53:50.840
came out. Friends, I think this seems like not what

924
00:53:50.960 --> 00:53:56.360
I would call the best marketing synergy here, because this

925
00:53:56.519 --> 00:53:58.960
seems sort of tired and didn't.

926
00:53:58.760 --> 00:54:00.760
Feel like it was delayed or something. The timing was

927
00:54:00.840 --> 00:54:01.679
all awesome.

928
00:54:01.519 --> 00:54:04.199
Yeah, yeah, because if you read this before, you'd be like, oh,

929
00:54:04.280 --> 00:54:06.800
sweet cool getting it behind the scenes about Georgia, and

930
00:54:06.880 --> 00:54:09.800
you don't. You're not burdened down by Douche or any

931
00:54:09.800 --> 00:54:11.840
of those other characters, right that are part of the

932
00:54:12.239 --> 00:54:17.440
modern timeline. You know that we're not very memorable for me,

933
00:54:17.760 --> 00:54:22.159
for me, but so much more enjoyable than I thought

934
00:54:22.239 --> 00:54:24.199
it would be. And then there's like the reason the

935
00:54:25.679 --> 00:54:28.639
issue feels so heavy is the last, like you know,

936
00:54:28.840 --> 00:54:32.239
nine or ten pages, there's this giant, excessive amount of

937
00:54:32.360 --> 00:54:36.280
like gallery portraits, right, which IDW loves to give you those, right,

938
00:54:36.360 --> 00:54:39.840
So there's just tons of extra pages of stuff to

939
00:54:39.960 --> 00:54:43.360
check out there. But better than I thought it would be,

940
00:54:44.000 --> 00:54:46.920
even though it is really a recap the from the

941
00:54:47.000 --> 00:54:52.199
movie Arran Empire training sounds pretty graphic and fairly brutal

942
00:54:52.320 --> 00:54:54.159
and a lot of sharp knives and stuff like that.

943
00:54:54.360 --> 00:54:56.880
So I had fun with it. I was. I was

944
00:54:57.639 --> 00:55:00.960
just glad that it focused where it did and not

945
00:55:01.119 --> 00:55:05.320
on the stuff with the you know, the current crop

946
00:55:05.440 --> 00:55:10.239
of freewheeling miscreants that the section thirty one movie did.

947
00:55:10.280 --> 00:55:11.880
I just want to point out seeing that screen right

948
00:55:11.920 --> 00:55:16.119
there where the red vertical bars are, that was really

949
00:55:16.239 --> 00:55:17.639
done well. I want to point that out because I

950
00:55:17.760 --> 00:55:19.920
like that, because David was talking about trying to understand

951
00:55:19.960 --> 00:55:22.920
sometimes how comics what's going on. Whenever you see the

952
00:55:23.000 --> 00:55:26.239
red bar, you know, that's Georgia's internal thoughts, right, that

953
00:55:26.400 --> 00:55:30.000
she is thinking, and it's not just like regular dialogue right,

954
00:55:30.079 --> 00:55:32.239
that it'd be more like the regular balloon that you'd

955
00:55:32.239 --> 00:55:34.559
see in a panel. Right. But whenever you see that

956
00:55:35.679 --> 00:55:37.800
red bar, which I thought was really rendered nice, that's

957
00:55:37.840 --> 00:55:40.400
a cool graphic touch. I thought that really distinguished that

958
00:55:40.880 --> 00:55:43.519
and it helps you know that, Okay, that's internal Georgia

959
00:55:43.559 --> 00:55:45.599
whenever she's going. So I thought that was really well done.

960
00:55:46.079 --> 00:55:50.679
So kudos too. I think she's a regular contributor for

961
00:55:50.760 --> 00:55:55.280
the IDW track. But Alyssa Wong. I didn't have time

962
00:55:55.360 --> 00:55:57.800
to look up her name, but I'm sure I've seen

963
00:55:57.840 --> 00:56:02.039
her associated with other titles before. But I thought she

964
00:56:02.119 --> 00:56:04.519
did a good job on here, and I thought the

965
00:56:04.599 --> 00:56:08.519
dialogue was good. I thought that anytime you give me

966
00:56:08.639 --> 00:56:15.760
a panel like this right where I've got like somebody

967
00:56:15.840 --> 00:56:20.119
that's got like knife blood splashed across their face, I'm like, Okay,

968
00:56:20.280 --> 00:56:23.360
thank you for not dumbing this down and infantilizing it, right,

969
00:56:23.400 --> 00:56:26.159
I mean, you're showing me how gory it is and

970
00:56:26.239 --> 00:56:29.239
how hardcore it is, and the Tarrann Empire props don't

971
00:56:29.280 --> 00:56:33.159
water down the vicious Georgia's lifestyle like I think the

972
00:56:33.239 --> 00:56:35.800
section thirty one movie kind of did, right, I mean

973
00:56:36.159 --> 00:56:38.599
they kind of sanded off a lot of her rough

974
00:56:38.679 --> 00:56:40.920
edges I felt. So it's cool that they did more

975
00:56:41.000 --> 00:56:43.960
like pulp eighties movie style here to make her a

976
00:56:43.960 --> 00:56:47.039
little bit more of a you know the environment. She said, no,

977
00:56:47.159 --> 00:56:49.719
now go home and poison your family, that kind of thing, right,

978
00:56:49.800 --> 00:56:53.400
That was really cool. So her background story to me

979
00:56:53.519 --> 00:56:54.920
was a lot more interesting than what they did with

980
00:56:55.000 --> 00:56:57.199
her in the movie. But I still enjoyed the comic,

981
00:56:57.440 --> 00:57:02.000
and I'm stunned that I'm saying that, so I'm expected

982
00:57:02.119 --> 00:57:04.280
me admitting that it was a good read. But it

983
00:57:04.360 --> 00:57:06.039
was a good read and I had fun, So I

984
00:57:06.079 --> 00:57:08.480
would I would say, if you like at all the

985
00:57:08.519 --> 00:57:10.519
section thirty one comic, I would pick this up. A

986
00:57:10.800 --> 00:57:12.760
show in the movie, I would pick this up.

987
00:57:14.480 --> 00:57:18.159
All right. So, Eric, since you were the caboose last time,

988
00:57:19.079 --> 00:57:21.480
we'll let you jump in here and continue on.

989
00:57:22.039 --> 00:57:26.239
Yeah, right on. So I agree that I think Alyssa

990
00:57:26.320 --> 00:57:29.639
Long is a fantastic writer. She has a lot of

991
00:57:29.760 --> 00:57:33.599
experience in comics. She's worked for Marvel, she's worked for DC,

992
00:57:34.159 --> 00:57:39.800
she's done several Star Wars comics, she's done Deadpool. So she's,

993
00:57:40.119 --> 00:57:42.480
you know, not somebody who's new to the comic game.

994
00:57:44.199 --> 00:57:47.400
So I appreciate her skill and her ability to kind

995
00:57:47.400 --> 00:57:51.000
of convey a lot of information in very few words.

996
00:57:52.000 --> 00:57:54.800
That being said, I prefer comics that have a lot

997
00:57:54.840 --> 00:57:57.599
of words. I don't know. I like it to take

998
00:57:57.760 --> 00:58:00.880
fifteen twenty minutes for me to read a thirty two

999
00:58:00.920 --> 00:58:03.519
page comic, and this one just had a lot of pictures,

1000
00:58:04.079 --> 00:58:09.039
a lot of really short lines, and so it was

1001
00:58:09.079 --> 00:58:10.880
a very quick read. I mean, despite the fact that

1002
00:58:10.960 --> 00:58:13.360
it was kind of this like double sized one shot

1003
00:58:13.719 --> 00:58:20.920
six bucks, you know, it read relatively quickly. I think

1004
00:58:20.960 --> 00:58:24.000
that I also have some confusion here on the whole

1005
00:58:24.119 --> 00:58:28.440
concept of the Taran Emperor. So what I was led

1006
00:58:28.480 --> 00:58:31.679
to believe before section thirty one was that the way

1007
00:58:31.760 --> 00:58:35.800
one becomes emperor is one kills the previous emperor. And

1008
00:58:36.000 --> 00:58:38.880
we've seen that happen a few different times. We saw

1009
00:58:38.880 --> 00:58:42.719
it in Mirror Mirror, we saw it in Star Trek

1010
00:58:42.840 --> 00:58:49.360
Enterprise when when Hoshisato becomes emperor, and so now we

1011
00:58:49.800 --> 00:58:51.599
you know from the section thirty one movie. And I

1012
00:58:51.639 --> 00:58:55.159
agree with Paul entirely. This comic should have come out

1013
00:58:55.639 --> 00:58:57.880
weeks before the movie. I think it would have actually

1014
00:58:58.000 --> 00:59:01.920
helped read interest much in the same way the Countdown comics.

1015
00:59:01.960 --> 00:59:03.960
You remember when those came out. There were the There

1016
00:59:04.039 --> 00:59:06.239
was the Star Trek two thousand and nine Countdown comic

1017
00:59:06.320 --> 00:59:08.239
that came out before the movie came out, and that

1018
00:59:09.039 --> 00:59:11.920
bred interest for it. There was the Star Trek Picard

1019
00:59:12.199 --> 00:59:15.800
Countdown comic that came out before Picard came out, that

1020
00:59:16.039 --> 00:59:19.599
bred interest for it. This one coming out afterwards feels

1021
00:59:19.639 --> 00:59:22.119
like just like somebody didn't meet their deadlines or something.

1022
00:59:23.079 --> 00:59:24.400
So it was a little weird to kind of go

1023
00:59:24.559 --> 00:59:27.679
back and get the story after you already because it

1024
00:59:27.880 --> 00:59:29.880
literally ends, I think on the last page with like

1025
00:59:30.440 --> 00:59:32.960
see more in the section thirty one movie, and I'm like, yeah,

1026
00:59:33.000 --> 00:59:36.239
I already saw the section thirty one movie, So I

1027
00:59:36.280 --> 00:59:38.920
don't know that timing was a little bit a little

1028
00:59:38.920 --> 00:59:42.440
bit off for me. I also totally agree with Paul

1029
00:59:42.519 --> 00:59:46.480
though on the whole, like graphic representation of who's talking

1030
00:59:47.199 --> 00:59:50.280
or or what sort of speech is going on, whether

1031
00:59:50.320 --> 00:59:53.320
it's their internal thoughts or whatnot. I think IDW does

1032
00:59:53.360 --> 00:59:54.800
that quite a bit. I've seen that in some other

1033
00:59:54.880 --> 00:59:57.639
comics too. I think both Marvel and DC are doing

1034
00:59:57.679 --> 01:00:00.519
that these days. But it really helps clue you into

1035
01:00:00.639 --> 01:00:04.480
what's going on in the comic, and I really appreciate

1036
01:00:04.599 --> 01:00:08.320
that as a as a kind of like mechanism of reading.

1037
01:00:10.159 --> 01:00:13.760
So yes, I thought the art was pretty pretty decent.

1038
01:00:13.880 --> 01:00:16.079
I mean, it didn't totally knock my socks off, but

1039
01:00:16.239 --> 01:00:17.800
I thought it was really good. But I will say

1040
01:00:17.840 --> 01:00:20.039
that when you look at a lot of these IDW comics,

1041
01:00:20.920 --> 01:00:26.199
they do appear to include a lot of diversity on

1042
01:00:26.320 --> 01:00:29.960
their teams. There's a lot of people who identify as

1043
01:00:30.039 --> 01:00:33.159
various genders. There's a lot of racial diversity when you

1044
01:00:33.199 --> 01:00:35.480
look up who the writers and the letters and all

1045
01:00:35.480 --> 01:00:38.199
these people are. So I think it's cool that they're

1046
01:00:38.199 --> 01:00:40.800
bringing lots of different voices to the table and giving

1047
01:00:40.840 --> 01:00:43.639
them all a chance to tell these great Star Trek stories.

1048
01:00:45.239 --> 01:00:48.440
In the end, I think what I've learned about myself

1049
01:00:48.719 --> 01:00:56.400
is that I have a very limited interest in Mirror

1050
01:00:56.519 --> 01:01:00.360
Universe stories. I just like cruelty just doesn't trust me

1051
01:01:00.480 --> 01:01:05.840
as a topic. And so, you know, great Tearing Empire's brutal.

1052
01:01:06.079 --> 01:01:09.039
Great people are getting killed all the time. Great, you

1053
01:01:09.119 --> 01:01:11.079
got to kill some more people to move up, Like,

1054
01:01:11.280 --> 01:01:15.920
there's there are no moral plays going on here. There's

1055
01:01:16.039 --> 01:01:22.280
no like, you know, questions that don't have answers, And

1056
01:01:22.639 --> 01:01:26.039
it's just kind of like people being mean to each other.

1057
01:01:27.599 --> 01:01:32.199
So I don't know. For me, I think there's nothing

1058
01:01:32.239 --> 01:01:35.000
wrong with this comic. I just think that the writers

1059
01:01:35.079 --> 01:01:37.119
and the artists and everything probably did the best with

1060
01:01:37.320 --> 01:01:40.960
the topic that they were given. I'm not sure it's

1061
01:01:40.960 --> 01:01:43.599
a topic that totally interests me at a deeper level.

1062
01:01:43.960 --> 01:01:49.119
So so yeah, good, good comic. If they put out

1063
01:01:49.159 --> 01:01:50.840
a second one, of course I would buy it because

1064
01:01:50.840 --> 01:01:53.000
I'm like Paul, I'm saying, if it's Star Trek, put

1065
01:01:53.000 --> 01:01:53.599
it in the box.

1066
01:01:55.280 --> 01:01:56.760
But now.

1067
01:01:58.159 --> 01:01:59.920
I read it twice and I'm not sure I'm gonna go.

1068
01:02:00.000 --> 01:02:03.320
I can read this again, tell you the truth. So yeah,

1069
01:02:03.920 --> 01:02:04.639
that's my opinion.

1070
01:02:06.199 --> 01:02:08.440
Well, I'm kind of with you, guys. I thought that

1071
01:02:09.440 --> 01:02:12.079
I was disappointed when I read this because I thought

1072
01:02:12.760 --> 01:02:16.920
they intentionally held it back, and so I was thinking

1073
01:02:17.000 --> 01:02:19.480
that it was more than it was because why did

1074
01:02:19.519 --> 01:02:21.239
they hold it back? And after I read it, I

1075
01:02:21.400 --> 01:02:23.960
was with you, guys. I was like, Yeah, why did

1076
01:02:24.039 --> 01:02:29.559
they hold it back? Because there's nothing in this that

1077
01:02:29.800 --> 01:02:33.519
really would spoil anything that was in the movie, nothing

1078
01:02:33.599 --> 01:02:37.079
at all, So why hold it back? I think it

1079
01:02:37.119 --> 01:02:39.400
would have it would have you know, when like like

1080
01:02:39.480 --> 01:02:42.000
you said, Eric, I think it would have enhanced people

1081
01:02:42.119 --> 01:02:44.039
wanting to see the movie if they had put it

1082
01:02:44.119 --> 01:02:46.000
out early. So maybe you're right, maybe it was a

1083
01:02:46.079 --> 01:02:49.000
deadline or something, or you know.

1084
01:02:49.079 --> 01:02:51.519
For all we know, guys, what could have happened is right,

1085
01:02:51.639 --> 01:02:54.599
this thing was slated for scheduling in March, right, and

1086
01:02:54.719 --> 01:02:57.400
it could just be that, like because this happened sometimes, right,

1087
01:02:57.800 --> 01:02:59.920
you have a publishing you know, publishing is a little

1088
01:02:59.920 --> 01:03:02.079
bit more mechanical, right in a lot of ways. Right,

1089
01:03:02.159 --> 01:03:05.280
maybe they had a fixed date and paramount plus because

1090
01:03:05.280 --> 01:03:08.679
they're just such brain trusts over there, maybe they just said,

1091
01:03:08.920 --> 01:03:10.679
let's run this thing early. Isn't that kind of what

1092
01:03:10.800 --> 01:03:13.480
didn't it sort of jump earlier than we expected? Like

1093
01:03:13.559 --> 01:03:16.159
in January? Right, it was you know, that's when it ered.

1094
01:03:16.599 --> 01:03:18.760
So maybe they changed their date and it's like you

1095
01:03:18.880 --> 01:03:21.440
can't you know, the publishing just couldn't keep up. So

1096
01:03:21.599 --> 01:03:23.920
that could be, Yeah, that's.

1097
01:03:23.800 --> 01:03:26.440
How I'm seeing kind of like the other direction. Right,

1098
01:03:26.519 --> 01:03:28.039
it was actually the show that came out early, not

1099
01:03:28.119 --> 01:03:28.400
the comic.

1100
01:03:28.480 --> 01:03:31.199
They came out right, because sometimes if they feel like, Okay,

1101
01:03:31.239 --> 01:03:33.440
this is our window and we're going to get creamed

1102
01:03:33.480 --> 01:03:37.840
if we hold it till February because the publishing date

1103
01:03:37.960 --> 01:03:41.079
on the inset page says February, right, even though it

1104
01:03:41.239 --> 01:03:44.840
just came out right, And so I think they have

1105
01:03:44.920 --> 01:03:48.039
a hard time moving that stuff around as opposed to like,

1106
01:03:48.199 --> 01:03:50.800
you know, with TV and it's digital. If they say, okay,

1107
01:03:50.960 --> 01:03:53.519
if we you know, our best window to get viewers

1108
01:03:53.639 --> 01:03:55.639
is now, if we went to February, we're going to

1109
01:03:55.719 --> 01:03:57.320
run up against all these other new shows that are

1110
01:03:57.320 --> 01:03:58.599
coming out. We should just do it now, and they

1111
01:03:58.679 --> 01:04:01.960
just sort of hastily promote it. So who knows, man,

1112
01:04:02.159 --> 01:04:06.039
But but yeah, I mean I really want to you know,

1113
01:04:06.320 --> 01:04:08.199
echo what you said. I mean, it's just how much

1114
01:04:08.559 --> 01:04:10.960
mean spirited stuff can you can you get into?

1115
01:04:11.159 --> 01:04:11.280
Right?

1116
01:04:11.360 --> 01:04:14.800
It's kind of like you know the first Starship Troopers, Right,

1117
01:04:14.920 --> 01:04:17.199
it's like, oh, wow, they're fighting bugs, you know, and

1118
01:04:18.559 --> 01:04:20.519
all that stuff like that. But do you really want

1119
01:04:20.559 --> 01:04:23.639
to see, like I'm keen told stories of gunning bugs

1120
01:04:23.679 --> 01:04:26.760
to death. It's just like, give me something to think about.

1121
01:04:27.039 --> 01:04:29.880
Well, I think what this comic did for me also

1122
01:04:30.239 --> 01:04:34.320
is it kind of made me realize how much Michelle

1123
01:04:34.480 --> 01:04:39.400
Yo carries a scene or a movie or an episode

1124
01:04:39.599 --> 01:04:42.480
like and and you know, we don't get her acting

1125
01:04:42.559 --> 01:04:45.159
skills in the comic we don't even really get her character,

1126
01:04:45.320 --> 01:04:47.719
for like her adult character, for more than a page

1127
01:04:47.800 --> 01:04:51.360
or two in this comic, And so you know, I

1128
01:04:51.519 --> 01:04:53.239
was one who was like, hey, you know what, I

1129
01:04:53.320 --> 01:04:55.360
didn't I thought I was going to totally hate section

1130
01:04:55.480 --> 01:04:58.079
thirty one. I didn't totally hate it. I watched it

1131
01:04:58.239 --> 01:05:02.239
and I thought it was pretty good, like nineties action movie,

1132
01:05:02.480 --> 01:05:08.199
you know, but that was because Michelle Yo, sorry, and

1133
01:05:08.320 --> 01:05:10.000
you don't get any of that with the comics.

1134
01:05:10.039 --> 01:05:14.920
So yeah, anyway, well for me, I thought, if you guys,

1135
01:05:14.960 --> 01:05:19.360
remember we hear this name Son mentioned in Discovery when

1136
01:05:19.480 --> 01:05:24.360
Carl tests Georgio before he sends her back, and now

1137
01:05:24.400 --> 01:05:26.920
we know where he sent her, but at the time

1138
01:05:26.960 --> 01:05:29.519
that we watched Discovery, we didn't know where he sent her,

1139
01:05:29.960 --> 01:05:32.440
and we didn't know what her deepest regret was. She

1140
01:05:32.639 --> 01:05:35.440
mentioned Son and we see a puddle of blood, but

1141
01:05:35.920 --> 01:05:38.119
that's as far as they went on Discovery with it

1142
01:05:39.119 --> 01:05:43.239
before it ended. So this particular comic book actually wraps

1143
01:05:43.320 --> 01:05:47.480
up that story that was introduced on Discovery, I think

1144
01:05:47.639 --> 01:05:50.480
very nicely. And I think it also goes in to

1145
01:05:50.599 --> 01:05:53.079
help with her redemption arc because we get to see

1146
01:05:53.159 --> 01:05:57.119
how ruthless she was and how she was being groomed

1147
01:05:57.480 --> 01:06:00.239
to be ruthless, so that when she hooks up with

1148
01:06:00.320 --> 01:06:03.559
Burnham and the Discovery crew and you know, she saves

1149
01:06:03.679 --> 01:06:08.639
Saru and she redeems herself and Carl says, yes, you've

1150
01:06:08.719 --> 01:06:12.239
been redeemed and he saves her. The comic book just

1151
01:06:12.320 --> 01:06:14.360
fills in a lot of that backstory, so well well so.

1152
01:06:14.719 --> 01:06:16.519
But an interesting thing though, that they do do in

1153
01:06:16.599 --> 01:06:20.280
this comic. That's that's I think plugs into what we

1154
01:06:20.360 --> 01:06:22.360
were just saying, was that they say in this comic

1155
01:06:22.440 --> 01:06:25.000
that the candidates, the fifteen candidates or whatever that are

1156
01:06:25.119 --> 01:06:28.360
chosen are chosen for many reasons, and one of those

1157
01:06:28.480 --> 01:06:34.800
reasons is their ability to be cruel. And so I

1158
01:06:35.000 --> 01:06:38.320
had a question about that because it sounds like to

1159
01:06:38.519 --> 01:06:42.719
me in the Terran Empire that not everybody's a bearded spock,

1160
01:06:43.119 --> 01:06:45.960
like there are some people who are just trying to

1161
01:06:46.039 --> 01:06:48.320
live their lives, just trying to eke out an existence

1162
01:06:48.480 --> 01:06:53.960
on a on a planet somewhere, and that cruelty is

1163
01:06:54.039 --> 01:06:58.800
actually it's a nurture thing. It's not a nature thing, right,

1164
01:07:00.079 --> 01:07:02.760
But they say that these candidates were chosen in one

1165
01:07:02.800 --> 01:07:06.000
of those criteria where that they had they had the

1166
01:07:06.159 --> 01:07:10.480
ability or the propensity to be cruel. So that sounds

1167
01:07:10.519 --> 01:07:13.239
like a nature thing to me, like people are just

1168
01:07:13.400 --> 01:07:19.719
born cruel. So I still have some question, Like I

1169
01:07:19.800 --> 01:07:22.280
feel like the section thirty one movie on this comic

1170
01:07:22.400 --> 01:07:25.639
have muddied my understanding of the Tearran Empire just a

1171
01:07:25.719 --> 01:07:29.280
little bit by trying to flush it out. So it

1172
01:07:29.360 --> 01:07:32.960
feels weird to me, like no more or no less

1173
01:07:33.280 --> 01:07:34.920
by knowing more? Right now.

1174
01:07:35.360 --> 01:07:38.159
Yeah, it's like her parents, right, they're just like blacksmiths

1175
01:07:38.239 --> 01:07:41.079
and farmers and whatnot. They're just chillen, right, But but

1176
01:07:41.199 --> 01:07:46.599
you see that like leadership or you know, rather the

1177
01:07:46.800 --> 01:07:49.519
addition you know they're all about the only way to

1178
01:07:49.599 --> 01:07:53.239
maintaining power is through fear, you know, thanks Elon. But

1179
01:07:53.440 --> 01:07:54.880
you know it's just like you know, they're all like

1180
01:07:55.079 --> 01:07:58.199
you know, Weasley bastards, you know, in control and there

1181
01:07:58.280 --> 01:08:00.679
you can tell that they you know, if they think

1182
01:08:00.719 --> 01:08:05.559
if you know, they're not feared, and I mean you know,

1183
01:08:06.000 --> 01:08:08.960
I mean Spock says that in the original Mirror Mirror right,

1184
01:08:09.119 --> 01:08:12.119
terror will keep you know, the only way to maintain order, right,

1185
01:08:12.199 --> 01:08:15.239
otherwise everyone will rebel up against you, and you know,

1186
01:08:16.319 --> 01:08:20.039
insist on equality. So it's just where it's interesting. So,

1187
01:08:21.039 --> 01:08:23.319
you know, I think I like mirror stories because I

1188
01:08:23.840 --> 01:08:31.199
find so many unfortunate parallels of them manifesting in reality. Right,

1189
01:08:31.399 --> 01:08:35.199
so it's a good cautionary But yeah, but hopefully if

1190
01:08:35.239 --> 01:08:37.000
they do do more of these, I mean, it's it

1191
01:08:37.000 --> 01:08:40.119
would be interesting to see somebody, you know, write a

1192
01:08:40.199 --> 01:08:44.439
little bit more literate, you know, measured assessment of this,

1193
01:08:44.840 --> 01:08:47.840
you know, go post Georgia, see where we go.

1194
01:08:47.960 --> 01:08:52.039
Then, So I don't know, all right, Well, Charles, what

1195
01:08:52.159 --> 01:08:54.199
did you think about the section thirty one comic book?

1196
01:08:56.600 --> 01:08:56.800
Well?

1197
01:08:56.840 --> 01:08:59.920
I think it did a true example of how dark

1198
01:09:01.359 --> 01:09:06.439
and cruel the Terran Empire is. We start right off

1199
01:09:06.760 --> 01:09:15.600
in a classroom and we realize the fact that okay,

1200
01:09:15.760 --> 01:09:19.600
you're not here to be friends, you're here to be competitors.

1201
01:09:21.840 --> 01:09:25.880
And that was rather quick of showing. Okay, let's show

1202
01:09:26.479 --> 01:09:35.000
that we can sacrifice your classmates. Who's the herb? Think

1203
01:09:35.039 --> 01:09:39.039
of the TV show Who's the Week It's Link? And

1204
01:09:39.239 --> 01:09:44.800
easily taken out who is the Week It's Link? And

1205
01:09:45.039 --> 01:09:51.359
even backstabbing classmates who sit there, Oh she's being disloyal,

1206
01:09:51.600 --> 01:09:56.720
and it's like, okay, fine, then I challenge you for

1207
01:09:56.920 --> 01:10:00.560
challenging my loyalty, and I think really it proves the

1208
01:10:00.680 --> 01:10:03.399
fact that you've got to be careful. You want to

1209
01:10:03.439 --> 01:10:07.640
watch your back you the Tart Empire. But we learned

1210
01:10:07.640 --> 01:10:10.279
a little bit of this connection with Son which we

1211
01:10:10.479 --> 01:10:15.239
didn't We got a little vagueness in the movie. I

1212
01:10:15.279 --> 01:10:19.720
think we've got a little more detail about their connection here.

1213
01:10:21.880 --> 01:10:24.800
So I think it was a good little mini backstory

1214
01:10:24.920 --> 01:10:30.960
to what we had in it. As you talk about updates,

1215
01:10:33.239 --> 01:10:38.680
because I run my subscription through Amazon and their comicology,

1216
01:10:39.600 --> 01:10:42.199
I will get dates to when issues are supposed to

1217
01:10:42.279 --> 01:10:47.760
come out, And I do note that sometimes IDW run

1218
01:10:47.840 --> 01:10:53.560
into production issues and issues are postponed a week, two weeks,

1219
01:10:53.680 --> 01:10:58.279
a month, and so it may be how quickly they

1220
01:10:58.319 --> 01:11:01.800
can get an issue printed, put together. So if they

1221
01:11:01.880 --> 01:11:05.439
can't get that fully digitally put together and ready for production,

1222
01:11:06.239 --> 01:11:10.039
they'll pause it for they'll ship, they'll backdate it for

1223
01:11:10.119 --> 01:11:14.680
a couple of weeks later, and so issues do sometimes

1224
01:11:14.800 --> 01:11:18.199
come out later than you think they will. So I

1225
01:11:18.279 --> 01:11:21.279
think it was a combination of Paramount pushing it out

1226
01:11:21.399 --> 01:11:25.560
fast and IDW running into a time frame that they

1227
01:11:25.640 --> 01:11:33.119
couldn't match. I thought it was an interesting comic, dark comic,

1228
01:11:33.279 --> 01:11:37.119
but you got definitely an interesting, pre interesting view of

1229
01:11:37.239 --> 01:11:41.039
the Terran Empire because I know we normally get the

1230
01:11:41.159 --> 01:11:49.359
Terran Empire view from the truck for trek, the truck view,

1231
01:11:50.039 --> 01:11:52.520
and this was not a trek view. This was more

1232
01:11:52.760 --> 01:11:58.760
of a look at civilization and what the future emperor

1233
01:11:58.880 --> 01:11:59.680
has to go through.

1234
01:12:01.720 --> 01:12:05.840
So, Charles, do you think that the winnowing situation here?

1235
01:12:05.920 --> 01:12:08.359
Do you think that in this case? And they don't

1236
01:12:08.399 --> 01:12:10.520
describe this in the section thirty one movie either, but like,

1237
01:12:11.479 --> 01:12:15.119
has an emperor died and they already and they need

1238
01:12:15.239 --> 01:12:18.680
to replace that emperor and that's why the winnowing's happening.

1239
01:12:18.960 --> 01:12:21.079
So it's either like the emperor dies and they got

1240
01:12:21.119 --> 01:12:24.039
to find a new emperor or you go stab that

1241
01:12:24.439 --> 01:12:27.000
old emperor and then you take over. Are those the

1242
01:12:27.079 --> 01:12:29.800
two ways that the Terran Empire kind of, you know,

1243
01:12:29.960 --> 01:12:31.600
replaces their leadership.

1244
01:12:31.800 --> 01:12:36.319
From what we have seen, Yes, but I think the

1245
01:12:36.479 --> 01:12:41.439
killing off the emperor is something we saw from Enterprise.

1246
01:12:46.000 --> 01:12:48.439
We didn't really say how Spot kind of came his

1247
01:12:48.640 --> 01:12:54.720
position in the series. I know he became it, We're

1248
01:12:54.760 --> 01:12:57.359
not sure exactly how he did it, whether he killed

1249
01:12:57.439 --> 01:13:04.000
somebody off or took over is that true?

1250
01:13:04.000 --> 01:13:06.920
Who seemed near Mirror more recently, like, do you guys

1251
01:13:07.039 --> 01:13:10.239
remember how like how the heck spox actually became.

1252
01:13:12.439 --> 01:13:13.079
They explain it.

1253
01:13:13.600 --> 01:13:17.920
I'm like they explained, so he was able to just

1254
01:13:18.000 --> 01:13:22.920
puff and make people disappear with the tantelist field, but

1255
01:13:23.119 --> 01:13:23.720
he didn't.

1256
01:13:23.520 --> 01:13:27.800
Take over quite then. I think we saw the takeover

1257
01:13:28.279 --> 01:13:29.359
more in the comics.

1258
01:13:30.600 --> 01:13:32.520
Well, he doesn't take over till the end of the episode.

1259
01:13:32.560 --> 01:13:34.800
I think, isn't that the end of Mirror Mirrors.

1260
01:13:34.840 --> 01:13:36.600
I don't think he took I don't think he took

1261
01:13:36.640 --> 01:13:38.920
over that. I think they put the idea in his

1262
01:13:39.159 --> 01:13:41.840
head to take over, but I don't think he took

1263
01:13:41.920 --> 01:13:46.159
over at that point. I think he was more like, oh,

1264
01:13:46.319 --> 01:13:47.880
I have to think about.

1265
01:13:47.680 --> 01:13:52.880
This good prime universe Kirk plants the seed in uh

1266
01:13:53.239 --> 01:13:56.399
in Spock's mind. He basically kind of like he goes

1267
01:13:56.600 --> 01:13:59.840
one man can make a difference, you know, think about that.

1268
01:14:00.119 --> 01:14:03.439
And I think Mirrors Box thing was always like I

1269
01:14:03.560 --> 01:14:06.319
can do more and manipulate more and actually have more

1270
01:14:06.399 --> 01:14:09.920
power by not being the figurehead. Right, That's the impression

1271
01:14:10.000 --> 01:14:13.119
I got. He's he's too smart to be the leader, right,

1272
01:14:13.239 --> 01:14:18.000
I mean the leaders often I'm just looking around contemporary

1273
01:14:18.119 --> 01:14:24.279
America for an example, the leader is often not the

1274
01:14:24.479 --> 01:14:27.960
brightest person because he's more likely for one thing to

1275
01:14:28.039 --> 01:14:32.640
be the most immediate target. So a smart person is

1276
01:14:32.760 --> 01:14:37.159
in this, you know, the secondary position and often controls

1277
01:14:37.239 --> 01:14:39.880
things if the leader is puppet. And I think that's

1278
01:14:39.920 --> 01:14:42.039
where mirrors box at. So that's what I always got

1279
01:14:42.079 --> 01:14:45.920
from that, you know, so fun stuff, fun to consider,

1280
01:14:46.000 --> 01:14:46.760
more interesting than this.

1281
01:14:49.399 --> 01:14:53.279
Well, I think our I think our belief to what

1282
01:14:53.560 --> 01:14:57.920
happened to Spock was not based on the episode, but

1283
01:14:58.079 --> 01:15:01.199
the IDW comm mirror Mirror.

1284
01:15:02.439 --> 01:15:04.680
Yeah, you're totally right there. There was a lot more

1285
01:15:04.760 --> 01:15:06.600
fleshing out of that character in the comics.

1286
01:15:06.680 --> 01:15:11.800
Yeah, yes, but.

1287
01:15:11.920 --> 01:15:17.079
Definitely id w's showing their showing their positive work on

1288
01:15:17.279 --> 01:15:24.159
Star Trek and looking forward to seeing what else are doing,

1289
01:15:24.399 --> 01:15:30.439
in fact, trying to keep up with Intrepid and Star Trek,

1290
01:15:31.079 --> 01:15:33.600
which I'm not keeping up with right now, and I

1291
01:15:33.720 --> 01:15:35.159
gotta start doing it this summer.

1292
01:15:41.640 --> 01:15:44.960
David's the caboost this time around. So you heard what

1293
01:15:45.039 --> 01:15:47.239
everybody else thought. What do you think, David?

1294
01:15:48.039 --> 01:15:51.560
Yeah, so a couple of things in the universe where

1295
01:15:51.600 --> 01:15:53.520
people killed people off, how.

1296
01:15:54.880 --> 01:15:55.680
I mean, what the heck?

1297
01:15:55.720 --> 01:15:59.600
They gotta have some passion, right, I figure. Everybody, every

1298
01:15:59.640 --> 01:16:02.600
single couple must have like six kids because they know

1299
01:16:02.640 --> 01:16:04.600
they're going to lose like four or five of them.

1300
01:16:06.279 --> 01:16:10.640
Also in this in this Mirror universe reality, I've always

1301
01:16:10.680 --> 01:16:14.399
thought that the region the Tone Empire just did because

1302
01:16:14.479 --> 01:16:17.159
they tried to make humans strong and aliens were not

1303
01:16:17.479 --> 01:16:21.119
torch three around. How the heck did you get into

1304
01:16:21.239 --> 01:16:24.319
position or in that case, how did Paul or any

1305
01:16:24.359 --> 01:16:27.880
of the other alien from the other Mere University get

1306
01:16:27.960 --> 01:16:31.000
into position? I mean, they just like slaves, I guess,

1307
01:16:31.479 --> 01:16:32.920
or stud.

1308
01:16:32.439 --> 01:16:34.720
And well they don't. They don't describe it for Spack

1309
01:16:34.760 --> 01:16:37.680
and Mirror Mirror, but they do. But to Paul and

1310
01:16:37.760 --> 01:16:43.119
the Vulcans were absolutely like not uh not at the

1311
01:16:43.199 --> 01:16:45.560
same level as Terrence.

1312
01:16:46.239 --> 01:16:50.119
I remember that, yeah, But still I just thought for

1313
01:16:50.359 --> 01:16:53.119
an empire who pro human, I just thought that was

1314
01:16:53.159 --> 01:16:55.560
just kind of a strained thing. I guess they were

1315
01:16:55.640 --> 01:16:59.359
running out of manpower. I guess for the for their

1316
01:16:59.399 --> 01:17:01.800
ships or some things. They had to have aliens or something.

1317
01:17:01.800 --> 01:17:03.720
I don't know. I thought it was a little weird.

1318
01:17:03.880 --> 01:17:07.119
But anyways, the other thing too, I want to get

1319
01:17:07.159 --> 01:17:09.920
back to the actual comic books here, because Paul mentioned

1320
01:17:09.960 --> 01:17:13.800
something about the Red Strip. Well, I don't know if

1321
01:17:13.840 --> 01:17:15.960
you guys noticed, but there was also a blue strip

1322
01:17:16.880 --> 01:17:21.199
of somebody else thinking apparently, and that was found on

1323
01:17:21.319 --> 01:17:26.479
page eighteen and apparently. I guess that's supposed to be

1324
01:17:26.680 --> 01:17:32.199
San talking or something. So yeah, it's kind of like

1325
01:17:32.920 --> 01:17:35.600
towards the top. I should have actually copied it, but

1326
01:17:35.880 --> 01:17:37.960
I just, you know, put it into the screen.

1327
01:17:38.399 --> 01:17:41.920
Yeah, there's that son's internal dialogue, that light blue color.

1328
01:17:42.079 --> 01:17:42.479
I see it.

1329
01:17:42.640 --> 01:17:44.920
Yeah, I thought that was kind of interesting.

1330
01:17:46.199 --> 01:17:47.039
So uh.

1331
01:17:48.039 --> 01:17:51.279
In other words, yeah, I just thought, uh, the Tenant

1332
01:17:51.279 --> 01:17:54.239
Empire for this particular comic book. Like I said, I

1333
01:17:54.239 --> 01:17:58.079
don't really read comic books, and I'm not a fan

1334
01:17:58.439 --> 01:18:01.239
of any kind of violence well for that matter, and

1335
01:18:01.319 --> 01:18:04.319
it's been kind of shocked me a little bit. I'll

1336
01:18:04.359 --> 01:18:07.159
probably get moret it the more I read of the comics,

1337
01:18:07.239 --> 01:18:09.439
but it's just the fact that the particular one.

1338
01:18:09.560 --> 01:18:10.680
I do agree with you guys.

1339
01:18:11.720 --> 01:18:14.600
They should have probably had this out way before the

1340
01:18:14.640 --> 01:18:17.960
section thirty one came out, because as I was putting

1341
01:18:17.960 --> 01:18:20.199
the slide show together, I was trying to figure out

1342
01:18:20.279 --> 01:18:23.000
which photo to actually put in there, and I actually

1343
01:18:23.199 --> 01:18:28.439
went with the last one where the other emperor told

1344
01:18:28.560 --> 01:18:30.399
them to go poising their family. But I was like,

1345
01:18:32.159 --> 01:18:34.000
I know, I kind of regret not putting it in it,

1346
01:18:34.079 --> 01:18:38.720
but that would probably been the perfect explanation of what

1347
01:18:39.000 --> 01:18:41.119
the section thirty one movie was all about, you know,

1348
01:18:41.399 --> 01:18:45.720
the continuation. But I did like this particular comic where

1349
01:18:46.119 --> 01:18:51.920
it was basically a memory kind of like going through

1350
01:18:52.000 --> 01:18:54.520
what happened, and I actually kind of liked that. And

1351
01:18:55.680 --> 01:18:59.560
my biggest question is we will come across eventually once

1352
01:18:59.600 --> 01:19:02.079
you gets back at the beginning. Who's the shaded figure?

1353
01:19:02.359 --> 01:19:07.239
They never showed his face occupied.

1354
01:19:07.800 --> 01:19:13.880
I think that's our Botany bay Omie's name ale Alt

1355
01:19:14.039 --> 01:19:17.680
someone in A. Yeah, that was my guess who that is.

1356
01:19:18.000 --> 01:19:20.479
But you're right, they didn't actually specifically say. But isn't

1357
01:19:20.520 --> 01:19:22.640
that the first person that she interacts with in the section?

1358
01:19:22.800 --> 01:19:24.760
I don't know, Jim saw it like five times. Isn't

1359
01:19:24.760 --> 01:19:27.199
that the first person she interacts with in the movie?

1360
01:19:27.600 --> 01:19:28.960
Yeah, that's Alex saar A.

1361
01:19:29.439 --> 01:19:29.960
Yeah, that's it.

1362
01:19:30.760 --> 01:19:32.640
And did do you actually shay that line is just

1363
01:19:32.680 --> 01:19:35.960
shet taken or would that to the point of the comic?

1364
01:19:38.000 --> 01:19:39.399
I think that was part of the comic.

1365
01:19:40.119 --> 01:19:42.800
Okay, Yeah, so.

1366
01:19:43.079 --> 01:19:44.960
I mean, yeah, I agree with a lot what you

1367
01:19:45.000 --> 01:19:47.840
guys are saying, but this particular book kind of like

1368
01:19:48.279 --> 01:19:50.319
I almost didn't finish reading it because it kind of

1369
01:19:50.640 --> 01:19:54.520
looked too heavy for me. But other than that, hey,

1370
01:19:55.239 --> 01:19:58.039
it were pretty good. I enjoyed it to the point

1371
01:19:58.079 --> 01:20:00.640
where might come and could handle. But uh, I had

1372
01:20:00.640 --> 01:20:01.359
to eat right away.

1373
01:20:04.399 --> 01:20:07.840
No moldy cheese, I hope. Wow, that might have helped.

1374
01:20:07.880 --> 01:20:09.920
But no comics and donuts for you.

1375
01:20:10.720 --> 01:20:17.199
Nope, no heavy comics, I guess, but I'm not that queasy.

1376
01:20:17.279 --> 01:20:20.720
I just you know, I really don't condone violence at all,

1377
01:20:20.920 --> 01:20:24.680
and I would hate to be inside the mere universe. However,

1378
01:20:24.960 --> 01:20:26.800
that did bring me to another point when you guys

1379
01:20:26.800 --> 01:20:30.359
were talking about the mere universe between the different shoeries,

1380
01:20:31.279 --> 01:20:33.319
is there a mere universe that actually has a mere

1381
01:20:33.439 --> 01:20:36.960
universe on like on tol of it another type of

1382
01:20:37.399 --> 01:20:38.279
alternate universe.

1383
01:20:38.520 --> 01:20:42.640
That's inception dude. Yeah, that's called the Calvin Timeline.

1384
01:20:43.520 --> 01:20:50.239
Okay, whatever, I enjoyed it, so that's just my take

1385
01:20:50.279 --> 01:20:50.439
on it.

1386
01:20:51.359 --> 01:20:54.359
All right. Well, that wraps up our our section thirty

1387
01:20:54.399 --> 01:20:57.119
one conversation. Go and check it out at your local

1388
01:20:57.520 --> 01:21:00.159
comic book shop. And now it's time for our our

1389
01:21:00.199 --> 01:21:03.840
trek birthdays. You guys ready for some birthdays. Where's the birthday? There?

1390
01:21:03.880 --> 01:21:04.119
It is?

1391
01:21:23.199 --> 01:21:25.359
That was not a clemon song, you know.

1392
01:21:25.520 --> 01:21:27.880
Warf says that every week. He's not a merry man,

1393
01:21:27.960 --> 01:21:30.800
but we love him anyways. All Right, guys, we actually

1394
01:21:30.920 --> 01:21:33.680
have a lot more debts to celebrate than we have

1395
01:21:33.920 --> 01:21:37.119
of birth So we're gonna turn this thing right over

1396
01:21:37.199 --> 01:21:40.279
to Eric so he can get started remembering those members

1397
01:21:40.319 --> 01:21:43.000
of our Star Trek family who, sadly enough, are no

1398
01:21:43.159 --> 01:21:45.319
longer with us. So Eric take it away.

1399
01:21:46.199 --> 01:21:49.000
Yeah, Jim, I will move quickly through these, because there

1400
01:21:49.039 --> 01:21:49.680
are quite a few.

1401
01:21:49.760 --> 01:21:50.159
This week.

1402
01:21:50.239 --> 01:21:54.920
Our first remembrance is for actor Davis Roberts for Mobile Alabama.

1403
01:21:55.000 --> 01:21:59.359
He's the actor who portrayed doctor Ozaba in the original

1404
01:21:59.439 --> 01:22:03.439
series season episode The m Path. Throughout his long career,

1405
01:22:03.560 --> 01:22:06.960
Roberts appeared in over thirty feature films, including In a

1406
01:22:07.039 --> 01:22:11.720
Lonely Place, The Chase, Westworld from nineteen seventy three, which

1407
01:22:11.760 --> 01:22:15.840
I know several of our tre experts enjoy, Willie Dynamite,

1408
01:22:15.920 --> 01:22:19.960
Demon Seed, and he actually appeared along with LeVar Burton

1409
01:22:20.039 --> 01:22:23.359
in nineteen seventy seven's Roots as well. He also appeared

1410
01:22:23.399 --> 01:22:25.720
in many television series such as I Dream of Genie,

1411
01:22:25.800 --> 01:22:29.520
Mission Impossible, gun Smoke, Sanford and Sudden All in the Family.

1412
01:22:29.960 --> 01:22:32.800
Davis Roberts lost back in nineteen ninety three at the

1413
01:22:32.800 --> 01:22:35.920
age of seventy six years old. Happy Birthday to him.

1414
01:22:36.520 --> 01:22:39.640
Happy birthday as well to Patty Edwards. She's the actress

1415
01:22:39.680 --> 01:22:42.600
who played the role of Anya in the Next Generation

1416
01:22:42.800 --> 01:22:46.920
second season episode The dow Fime. She began her acting

1417
01:22:47.000 --> 01:22:50.760
career in the early nineteen sixties and continued on until

1418
01:22:51.039 --> 01:22:54.840
almost the week that she died. She was well known

1419
01:22:54.880 --> 01:22:57.760
as a voice actress on a number of Disney animated movies,

1420
01:22:57.800 --> 01:23:02.119
including The Little Mermaid, Hercules and the voice of Gozar

1421
01:23:02.560 --> 01:23:06.960
in the hit movie Ghostbusters from nineteen eighty four, also

1422
01:23:07.079 --> 01:23:10.439
in several other movies like Corvette, Summer, Halloween, Three To

1423
01:23:10.520 --> 01:23:15.159
Be or Not to Be, Blue City, and myriad others,

1424
01:23:15.479 --> 01:23:18.039
and had a few guest appearances on the comedy series

1425
01:23:18.159 --> 01:23:22.079
Night Court along the Way, working with John Laraquette. So

1426
01:23:22.439 --> 01:23:26.720
Happy Birthday to Patty Edwards, lost back in nineteen ninety nine.

1427
01:23:27.479 --> 01:23:30.239
Happy Birthday as well to Mickey Morton, the actor who

1428
01:23:30.279 --> 01:23:34.840
appeared on the original series playing drill Thral Kluge in

1429
01:23:34.920 --> 01:23:40.079
the second season episode The Gamesters of Triskellion. Other television

1430
01:23:40.319 --> 01:23:44.159
credits include guest appearances on all the shows from Back

1431
01:23:44.199 --> 01:23:47.560
in the Sixties, Gunsmoke, I, Dream of Genie, Fantasy Island, etc.

1432
01:23:48.439 --> 01:23:51.159
In nineteen seventy eight, he appeared in the infamous Star

1433
01:23:51.279 --> 01:23:56.840
Wars holiday special as a Wookie named Mala, alongside Ralph Mahr.

1434
01:23:57.479 --> 01:24:00.680
He also co starred with fellow TOOS guests stars Frank

1435
01:24:00.720 --> 01:24:04.159
Gorshen and William Shallard in the nineteen seventy nine TV

1436
01:24:04.279 --> 01:24:10.439
special Legends of the Superheroes, and LeVar Burton and kirkwood

1437
01:24:10.479 --> 01:24:14.279
Smith in the nineteen eighty five TV movie The Midnight Hour.

1438
01:24:14.680 --> 01:24:17.960
A little bit of confluence of star Trek talent there

1439
01:24:18.000 --> 01:24:21.840
on a weird TV movie Happy Birthday to Mickey Morton,

1440
01:24:22.760 --> 01:24:25.880
Happy Birthday as well to Booth. Coleman, the actor who

1441
01:24:25.960 --> 01:24:31.199
played Pennot in the Voyageer four season episode Nemesis. Coleman

1442
01:24:31.319 --> 01:24:34.319
had been acting in film and television since the nineteen fifties,

1443
01:24:34.800 --> 01:24:39.479
amassing well over one hundred credits. One of his earliest

1444
01:24:39.520 --> 01:24:42.680
film roles was as a reporter in the movie Them

1445
01:24:43.239 --> 01:24:46.239
from nineteen fifty four. He also appeared in the Beast

1446
01:24:46.359 --> 01:24:50.520
of Budapest from nineteen fifty eight, but most importantly and

1447
01:24:50.640 --> 01:24:55.279
I think recognizably had a recurring role as Doctor Zaias

1448
01:24:55.800 --> 01:24:58.560
on the Planet of the Apes co starring, of course

1449
01:24:58.680 --> 01:25:02.119
Rodny McDowell and Mark Leonard, and also appeared in the

1450
01:25:02.159 --> 01:25:06.680
nineteen seventy seven television movie in the Glitter Palace, Happy

1451
01:25:06.760 --> 01:25:11.319
Birthday to Booth Coleman lost at ninety one years old.

1452
01:25:11.479 --> 01:25:16.039
Back in twenty fourteen Happy Birthday as well to Angelique

1453
01:25:16.079 --> 01:25:22.439
Petty John born Dorothy Lee Perrens portrayed Shanna in the

1454
01:25:22.600 --> 01:25:27.560
TOS second season episode The Gamesters of Triskellion. She was

1455
01:25:27.640 --> 01:25:29.960
initially noted for her work in a number of B

1456
01:25:30.199 --> 01:25:32.880
movies and TV shows, and was considered at one time

1457
01:25:33.000 --> 01:25:36.520
for the role of Nova in the original Planet of

1458
01:25:36.600 --> 01:25:39.800
the Apes film. Couple of Planet of the Apes Remembrances

1459
01:25:39.880 --> 01:25:43.039
this Week. She starred in a number of adult and

1460
01:25:43.319 --> 01:25:47.560
B movies throughout the seventies, and at a Star Trek

1461
01:25:47.600 --> 01:25:52.920
convention circuit gathered steam. Bolstered by the release of Star

1462
01:25:53.000 --> 01:25:56.680
Trek the Motion Picture, she found herself an increasingly high

1463
01:25:56.760 --> 01:26:01.399
demand as a guest of honor, and since then she

1464
01:26:01.800 --> 01:26:04.960
vigorously worked the circuit, and she would show up at

1465
01:26:05.000 --> 01:26:08.920
Star Trek conventions all over the place, particularly throughout the eighties,

1466
01:26:09.399 --> 01:26:12.239
with her last appearance being on the circuit in nineteen

1467
01:26:12.880 --> 01:26:18.199
eighty nine. Happy Birthday to Angelique Petty John. Happy birthday

1468
01:26:18.239 --> 01:26:23.159
as well to Catherine Kate Woodville. She's the English actress

1469
01:26:23.159 --> 01:26:26.560
who played Natira in the TOS third season episode for

1470
01:26:26.680 --> 01:26:28.840
the World as Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky

1471
01:26:29.560 --> 01:26:34.800
fantastic episode name by the way. Initially credited as Catherine Woodville,

1472
01:26:34.880 --> 01:26:37.840
she was quite prolific during the nineteen sixties and seventies,

1473
01:26:37.840 --> 01:26:40.479
appearing in a number of movies and guest stars in

1474
01:26:40.680 --> 01:26:45.079
several television series, including many of the ones from that time,

1475
01:26:45.239 --> 01:26:50.680
Mission Impossible, Black Gun, and the Kung Fu series. The

1476
01:26:50.800 --> 01:26:52.840
murder of her character in the first episode of The

1477
01:26:52.920 --> 01:26:56.359
Avengers was the driving force of the first year and

1478
01:26:56.479 --> 01:26:59.760
the reason for the title. She was born in the

1479
01:26:59.840 --> 01:27:04.439
US and eventually lost her life in Portland, Oregon here

1480
01:27:04.560 --> 01:27:08.000
in twenty thirteen at the age of seventy five years old.

1481
01:27:08.479 --> 01:27:14.960
Happy birthday to Kate Woodville. Happy birthday as well to

1482
01:27:16.479 --> 01:27:21.119
Peter Paul Fix. He's the American actor who played Doctor

1483
01:27:21.319 --> 01:27:26.039
Mark Piper, the original doctor in the second series pilot

1484
01:27:26.079 --> 01:27:28.359
of the TOS series where No Man has gone before.

1485
01:27:29.079 --> 01:27:31.800
Fix is one of only two Star Trek actors verified

1486
01:27:31.880 --> 01:27:34.640
as a veteran of the First World War, where he

1487
01:27:34.800 --> 01:27:38.800
served in the US Navy. His birth of thirteen March

1488
01:27:39.079 --> 01:27:43.880
nineteen oh one makes him the earliest born actor of

1489
01:27:44.000 --> 01:27:47.159
the twentieth century. We had a couple from the eighteen hundreds.

1490
01:27:47.920 --> 01:27:50.800
Following the Navy, Fix became an incredibly busy character who

1491
01:27:50.840 --> 01:27:54.159
got his start in local productions around his New York home,

1492
01:27:54.439 --> 01:27:56.840
and by the nineteen twenties he had moved to Hollywood

1493
01:27:56.880 --> 01:27:59.680
and performed in the first of almost three hundred and

1494
01:27:59.720 --> 01:28:03.319
fifty fifty movie and television appearances three hundred and fifty.

1495
01:28:05.359 --> 01:28:07.720
In the nineteen thirties, he became friends with John Wayne,

1496
01:28:07.880 --> 01:28:11.760
coaching him on acting and eventually appearing in about twenty

1497
01:28:11.840 --> 01:28:16.199
five of John Wayne's films. He is most well known

1498
01:28:16.319 --> 01:28:20.960
as Michael Micah Torrence from the ABC series The Rifleman,

1499
01:28:21.479 --> 01:28:26.479
appearing for the show's entire run. Peter Paul Fix, I

1500
01:28:26.680 --> 01:28:31.479
loved your little suitcase full of drinks that you're broad

1501
01:28:31.600 --> 01:28:34.840
forth for our captain. Happy birthday to you. You were

1502
01:28:34.920 --> 01:28:37.399
lost to us back in nineteen eighty three, at the

1503
01:28:37.439 --> 01:28:41.000
age of eighty two years old. Happy birthday as well

1504
01:28:41.039 --> 01:28:45.159
to Grant Woods. Grant Woods, lost at the young age

1505
01:28:45.199 --> 01:28:47.600
of thirty six years old, was the actor who played

1506
01:28:47.840 --> 01:28:51.840
Elwitz in the TuS first season episode The Galileo Seven.

1507
01:28:52.359 --> 01:28:55.640
He was also in Arena and This Side of Paradise.

1508
01:28:56.439 --> 01:29:00.920
Woods was born Earl Grant Titsworth in vim Colorado, and

1509
01:29:01.079 --> 01:29:03.399
following his tour of duty in the US Navy, he

1510
01:29:03.479 --> 01:29:06.560
went to Hollywood, where he worked as a stuntman, occasionally

1511
01:29:06.720 --> 01:29:11.840
under the name of Grant Lockwood. So using that name

1512
01:29:11.960 --> 01:29:16.279
Grant Lockwood, Woods not only performed stunts, but also acted

1513
01:29:16.439 --> 01:29:20.039
on television programs. So if you see any of those

1514
01:29:20.119 --> 01:29:24.319
three names, Grant Woods, Earl Grant Titsworth, or Grant Lockwood,

1515
01:29:24.680 --> 01:29:28.399
it's all the same person. His only film appearance came

1516
01:29:28.439 --> 01:29:32.800
in the nineteen sixty six spy comedy The Silencers, and unfortunately,

1517
01:29:32.840 --> 01:29:36.000
he lost his life in a motorcycle accident in nineteen

1518
01:29:36.079 --> 01:29:39.560
sixty eight, which is why that age of loss is

1519
01:29:39.720 --> 01:29:45.279
so young. Happy birthday to Grant Woods. Happy birthday as

1520
01:29:45.319 --> 01:29:49.800
well to Frank Emmons Overton, the actor who played Elias

1521
01:29:50.119 --> 01:29:53.760
Sandoval in the ts first season episode This Side of Paradise.

1522
01:29:54.399 --> 01:29:57.520
He is among the few guest star actors in the

1523
01:29:57.600 --> 01:29:59.880
original series to have been listed with the credits A

1524
01:30:00.000 --> 01:30:04.279
as a special guest star. Overton had a reoccurring role

1525
01:30:04.319 --> 01:30:07.960
on the television World War II series Twelve o'clock High,

1526
01:30:09.119 --> 01:30:11.520
as well as making guest appearances on a variety of

1527
01:30:11.600 --> 01:30:15.880
television programs, mostly westerns Back in the day. He also

1528
01:30:15.920 --> 01:30:18.880
appeared in a handful of feature films. His most notable

1529
01:30:19.000 --> 01:30:23.720
role probably as Sheriff heck Tate in the Acclaim nineteen

1530
01:30:23.760 --> 01:30:28.239
sixty two adaptation of To Kill a Mockingbird. Happy Birthday

1531
01:30:28.279 --> 01:30:32.399
to Frank Emmons. Overton lost back in nineteen sixty seven

1532
01:30:33.479 --> 01:30:35.880
and last but not least on our list, a more

1533
01:30:35.920 --> 01:30:39.479
contemporary loss unfortunately lost way too young, at the age

1534
01:30:39.479 --> 01:30:43.239
of twenty seven years all due to a terrible, terrible accident.

1535
01:30:43.960 --> 01:30:49.720
Anton Viktorovich Yelchin He's a Russian born actor from southern

1536
01:30:49.800 --> 01:30:53.920
California who played Pavelchekhov in Star Trek two thousand and nine,

1537
01:30:54.439 --> 01:30:58.560
Star Trek Into Darkness, and Star Trek Beyond. His parents,

1538
01:30:58.600 --> 01:31:01.399
of course, were Russian jew and he was born in

1539
01:31:01.520 --> 01:31:05.079
Leningrad in Russia, the second largest city of the Soviet

1540
01:31:05.159 --> 01:31:08.239
Union at the time. When he was only six months old,

1541
01:31:08.399 --> 01:31:10.840
he and his parents emigrated to the United States, but

1542
01:31:10.960 --> 01:31:15.319
because of their Jewish heritage, they received refugee status due

1543
01:31:15.319 --> 01:31:18.800
to the long term anti Semitic policies of the Soviet state.

1544
01:31:19.760 --> 01:31:24.479
Walter Kinnig was also of Soviet Jewish parentage. Interestingly, although

1545
01:31:24.520 --> 01:31:27.359
he himself was not born in the USSR and they

1546
01:31:27.399 --> 01:31:32.720
were from Lithuania rather than Russia proper active, he had

1547
01:31:32.760 --> 01:31:35.680
an active film and television career starting in two thousand

1548
01:31:35.720 --> 01:31:38.159
at the age of eleven years old until his death

1549
01:31:38.239 --> 01:31:41.119
in twenty sixteen. And in two thousand and nine, he

1550
01:31:41.199 --> 01:31:43.800
of course was part of the Star Trek Ensemble, which

1551
01:31:43.880 --> 01:31:48.199
received a Washington, DC Area of Film Critics Association Award

1552
01:31:48.279 --> 01:31:52.199
nomination in the category of Best Ensemble and won a

1553
01:31:52.359 --> 01:31:56.520
Boston Society of Film Critics Award in the category of

1554
01:31:56.680 --> 01:32:02.520
Best Ensemble. Cast Yelchin enjoyed play the guitar and privately

1555
01:32:03.039 --> 01:32:05.960
behind the scenes, not letting many people know he actually

1556
01:32:06.079 --> 01:32:10.720
battled cystic fibrosis, regularly undergoing treatments at the University of

1557
01:32:11.039 --> 01:32:16.159
Southern California's Kech Hospital. A foundation to help actors with

1558
01:32:16.279 --> 01:32:19.680
disabilities like him was set up in twenty seventeen and

1559
01:32:19.720 --> 01:32:23.279
a year later, following a one million dollar donation, the

1560
01:32:23.359 --> 01:32:28.359
Adult Cystic Fibrosis Center at Kech Hospital was renamed the

1561
01:32:28.520 --> 01:32:34.039
Anton Yelchin Cystic Fibrosis Clinic. We really really miss him,

1562
01:32:34.239 --> 01:32:38.359
and it's absolutely certain that he would have gone so

1563
01:32:38.520 --> 01:32:41.520
many places and had a very prolific career had it

1564
01:32:41.600 --> 01:32:46.800
not been for his terrible accident. Anton Viktorovich Yelchin bought

1565
01:32:47.079 --> 01:32:50.600
lost back in twenty sixteen at twenty seven years old.

1566
01:32:51.279 --> 01:32:55.039
Happy birthday to him, and that everybody does it for

1567
01:32:55.119 --> 01:33:01.079
our remembrances this week, so I would like to plastest

1568
01:33:01.239 --> 01:33:04.359
birthday flaming candle off to Charles.

1569
01:33:05.439 --> 01:33:07.600
Thank you, Eric only got a couple of them on

1570
01:33:07.720 --> 01:33:11.199
my list. Happy birthday to Jonathan del Rco.

1571
01:33:12.720 --> 01:33:13.520
You're u.

1572
01:33:13.600 --> 01:33:17.640
Grainian born actor who played Hugh in TNG's fifth and

1573
01:33:17.840 --> 01:33:22.560
seventh season episodes Iboorg and Is Sent Part Two. He

1574
01:33:22.680 --> 01:33:26.800
reprised the role in Pricard season one's episode The End

1575
01:33:26.840 --> 01:33:32.319
of the Beginning, The Impossible Box and The Penthe He

1576
01:33:32.439 --> 01:33:36.960
also appeared as Phantom in voyager seventh season episode The

1577
01:33:37.159 --> 01:33:41.039
Void Glay to see You. It's glad to say we

1578
01:33:41.199 --> 01:33:49.079
got him back in Percard. Happy birthday to Mark Metcalfe,

1579
01:33:49.840 --> 01:33:53.760
who played the hero Gion Medic in Star Trek Voyagers

1580
01:33:53.760 --> 01:33:57.000
fourth season episode The Killing Game and The Killing Game

1581
01:33:57.119 --> 01:34:05.279
Part two, and I'm Tosses passed his candle over to Paul.

1582
01:34:07.640 --> 01:34:11.520
Thank you, Charles Okay, who we got playing Getting Older

1583
01:34:11.720 --> 01:34:14.520
this week, that magical board game that we're all involved in.

1584
01:34:14.680 --> 01:34:18.600
First of all, let's say happy birthday to Donna Murphy,

1585
01:34:19.079 --> 01:34:23.800
who's actually a Tony Award winning stage actress but also

1586
01:34:23.880 --> 01:34:27.479
works in film and television, and who we are saluting

1587
01:34:28.199 --> 01:34:31.560
from her role in Star Trek Insurrection, part of the

1588
01:34:32.039 --> 01:34:36.000
Next Gen Motion Picture franchise. I done plenty of other

1589
01:34:36.039 --> 01:34:38.880
good work as well, Incrding Turns and Spider Man two

1590
01:34:39.039 --> 01:34:43.119
and Tangled, so very prolific work. They're always great to

1591
01:34:43.199 --> 01:34:47.520
have somebody with good stage chops doing your work for you,

1592
01:34:47.800 --> 01:34:50.479
a little extra value I think that they bring to

1593
01:34:50.600 --> 01:34:55.319
the table. So Happy birthday, Donna Murphy. Happy birthday also

1594
01:34:55.760 --> 01:35:01.600
to the memorable Nancy Kovak, who caught everyone's attention in

1595
01:35:01.800 --> 01:35:06.359
the original series second season episode A Private Little War.

1596
01:35:07.279 --> 01:35:11.039
Very prolific actress. Back in the day she was in

1597
01:35:12.239 --> 01:35:13.479
it was a picture it used to be all the

1598
01:35:13.520 --> 01:35:18.000
time on TV called marooned about spacecraft that was in distress.

1599
01:35:18.479 --> 01:35:22.159
She was in that. We talked about the Silencers earlier.

1600
01:35:22.920 --> 01:35:25.720
That was kind of another spy picture from that era,

1601
01:35:26.520 --> 01:35:29.039
Get Smart, Batman as you see there. And then the

1602
01:35:30.000 --> 01:35:33.199
nineteen sixty three Jason the Argonauts. I know that Nancy

1603
01:35:33.279 --> 01:35:36.039
Kovac was in that as well, but I would say

1604
01:35:36.159 --> 01:35:38.079
that in the Private Little War, she kind of pushed

1605
01:35:38.119 --> 01:35:40.359
the boundaries there what you could maybe get away with

1606
01:35:40.560 --> 01:35:44.520
in terms of, you know, I mean, some of those

1607
01:35:44.560 --> 01:35:48.279
takes were I mean, you know, I'm trying to say

1608
01:35:48.279 --> 01:35:49.680
a lot without saying anything.

1609
01:35:49.439 --> 01:35:49.520
But.

1610
01:35:53.199 --> 01:35:57.840
Well done, personable young boy making your way through the

1611
01:35:57.920 --> 01:36:02.039
eighth grade, and you outer this episode, you may find

1612
01:36:02.079 --> 01:36:07.399
yourself irreferably changed. So I was, yeah, yeah, it was.

1613
01:36:07.560 --> 01:36:07.760
It was.

1614
01:36:08.079 --> 01:36:10.279
She definitely went for it, and I would say that

1615
01:36:10.359 --> 01:36:12.640
there was not a lot of inhibition that I saw

1616
01:36:12.760 --> 01:36:17.880
in her performance, which was striking, so memorable Nancy Kovac.

1617
01:36:17.960 --> 01:36:20.279
I mean, and just it's an underrated episode. I think

1618
01:36:20.279 --> 01:36:22.239
it's a cool episode. It's one of those ones that

1619
01:36:22.319 --> 01:36:25.840
has a lot of political irrelevance to in terms of

1620
01:36:25.960 --> 01:36:29.399
how we deal with other cultures and arming people and

1621
01:36:29.800 --> 01:36:34.439
playing against our enemies and just youah, so an underrated episode.

1622
01:36:34.479 --> 01:36:36.439
I would say definitely good, as a lot of those

1623
01:36:36.439 --> 01:36:40.520
second season episodes are so good stuff. Happy birthday, Nancy Kovac.

1624
01:36:40.800 --> 01:36:45.399
Happy birthday also to Jake Weber, the English actor who

1625
01:36:45.600 --> 01:36:50.760
we recall played Azara in the Discovery third season episodes

1626
01:36:50.800 --> 01:36:55.279
Far from Home There Is a Tide and that Hope

1627
01:36:55.479 --> 01:36:58.680
Is You Part two where we saw that character. So

1628
01:36:58.800 --> 01:37:02.119
Happy birthday to you, Jake web and a big fave.

1629
01:37:03.359 --> 01:37:06.439
I love my original series, folks, I just do. It's

1630
01:37:06.760 --> 01:37:09.840
it's who we I can't result whose birthday is actually

1631
01:37:09.960 --> 01:37:15.880
today on March thirteenth, is the great Sean Kenny Okay,

1632
01:37:16.039 --> 01:37:20.600
who of course very memorably played several roles in Star Trek.

1633
01:37:20.640 --> 01:37:22.600
I mean, I think the one that he gets the

1634
01:37:22.680 --> 01:37:25.800
most props for is he was the person in the

1635
01:37:26.920 --> 01:37:32.960
chair in with the scarring, disfigured original Captain Christopher Pike

1636
01:37:33.159 --> 01:37:38.239
in those classic first season episodes Menagerie's Part one and

1637
01:37:38.479 --> 01:37:42.000
Part two. Amazing work. I mean, it's just it's just

1638
01:37:42.119 --> 01:37:47.119
he's it's it's it's haunting performance. He doesn't really move

1639
01:37:47.159 --> 01:37:51.720
his face very much, doesn't speak, but there's just something

1640
01:37:52.439 --> 01:37:54.720
he really did something with that performance that just became

1641
01:37:54.800 --> 01:37:57.600
kind of iconic and incredibly haunting and memorable. So it's

1642
01:37:58.279 --> 01:38:01.399
not an easy trick to pull off, but but he

1643
01:38:01.560 --> 01:38:06.000
captured something and a tremendous incarnation of the performance, which

1644
01:38:06.159 --> 01:38:09.159
we're seeing still echoing years later on Strange New Worlds

1645
01:38:09.359 --> 01:38:13.880
with what's Pike's dealing with. So fascinating stuff, but a

1646
01:38:13.960 --> 01:38:17.760
prolific actor. Also had other turns in Star Trek as well,

1647
01:38:17.840 --> 01:38:21.680
where he played a character in the first season called

1648
01:38:21.760 --> 01:38:26.680
DePaul who we saw in Arena and also the classic

1649
01:38:26.760 --> 01:38:30.479
episode of Taste of Armageddon, so you can see I

1650
01:38:30.560 --> 01:38:33.520
think he's a lieutenant. If I remember Lieutenant de Paul,

1651
01:38:33.800 --> 01:38:36.760
I believe he was, but yeah, he pops up in

1652
01:38:37.079 --> 01:38:39.880
one of those characters. A lot of interesting recurring characters

1653
01:38:39.960 --> 01:38:42.680
in the first season who didn't go on very far

1654
01:38:42.840 --> 01:38:46.319
beyond that, but Sean Kenney's one of them and pretty

1655
01:38:46.399 --> 01:38:49.560
cool and I would like to say an icon of

1656
01:38:50.560 --> 01:38:54.439
season one original series. So we salute you, sir, and

1657
01:38:54.560 --> 01:38:57.479
happy birthday today. I hope life is treating you well

1658
01:38:58.199 --> 01:39:01.880
and you certainly made it quite an impact for a

1659
01:39:01.920 --> 01:39:04.680
Star Trek fans young and old alive. That's what I've

1660
01:39:04.680 --> 01:39:06.439
got on my list this week. I'm going to pass

1661
01:39:07.600 --> 01:39:11.199
the flaming cake battles to Uncle Jim.

1662
01:39:11.720 --> 01:39:14.279
Well, I thank you so much, Paul. I always do

1663
01:39:14.399 --> 01:39:16.439
the Klingons and I always save him for last, and

1664
01:39:16.520 --> 01:39:19.560
I have two this week. First, we want to say

1665
01:39:19.600 --> 01:39:23.239
happy birthday and camplah to John Curry. And you're like,

1666
01:39:23.840 --> 01:39:26.079
John Curry, Uncle Jim, who the hell is that? Well,

1667
01:39:26.159 --> 01:39:30.439
I'm about to tell you. He voiced the character Maha

1668
01:39:31.159 --> 01:39:34.279
on Star Trek Lower Decks. He appeared in five episodes.

1669
01:39:34.680 --> 01:39:37.479
This guy was phenomenal. I would love to see a

1670
01:39:37.520 --> 01:39:39.920
whole series of him and his brothers selling blood Wine

1671
01:39:39.920 --> 01:39:40.920
and the Klingon Empire.

1672
01:39:41.279 --> 01:39:43.760
It was please, it was that good.

1673
01:39:44.520 --> 01:39:47.039
He appeared. The first time we see him is in

1674
01:39:47.119 --> 01:39:52.359
an outstanding episode called Wueje Douge, which is phenomenal if

1675
01:39:52.399 --> 01:39:55.520
you have not seen it. He also appeared in two

1676
01:39:55.720 --> 01:40:01.800
Vex two, two Vix and The Inner Fight, A Farewell

1677
01:40:01.920 --> 01:40:05.520
to Farms and the New Next Generation. So if you

1678
01:40:05.600 --> 01:40:08.199
want to see some of his excellent work as a Klingon,

1679
01:40:08.680 --> 01:40:11.960
check out those episodes of Lower Decks. You won't be disappointed.

1680
01:40:12.039 --> 01:40:16.880
Those episodes are amongst my favorites. So cauplat and happy

1681
01:40:16.920 --> 01:40:22.479
Birthday to John Curry. And last on my list is

1682
01:40:22.880 --> 01:40:26.840
a character that we learned that they called the Lady

1683
01:40:27.039 --> 01:40:31.000
in Red on Star Trek Picard season three. We want

1684
01:40:31.039 --> 01:40:37.960
to say happy birthday to Trisha O'Neill and she's from Shreveport, Louisiana,

1685
01:40:38.279 --> 01:40:41.039
and she's best known to Star Trek fans as Captain

1686
01:40:41.239 --> 01:40:46.000
Rachel Garrett in the TNG third season episode Yesterday's Enterprise. Yes,

1687
01:40:46.079 --> 01:40:48.039
this is the same Rachel Garrett that we saw on

1688
01:40:48.159 --> 01:40:53.199
section thirty one as Lieutenant Garrett. Different actress, same character.

1689
01:40:53.920 --> 01:40:57.880
She also appeared as Coronas in DS nine's third season

1690
01:40:57.960 --> 01:41:02.159
episode Defiant. There she is on the screen there as

1691
01:41:02.399 --> 01:41:07.000
a Cardassian, but I am remembering her as a Klingon

1692
01:41:07.720 --> 01:41:13.359
as Kerrac in the sixth season episode of TNG called Suspicions.

1693
01:41:13.880 --> 01:41:18.880
So callpla to Tricia O'Neill. And that wraps up our

1694
01:41:18.960 --> 01:41:21.680
birthdays for this week. And now it's time to go

1695
01:41:21.800 --> 01:41:25.159
into our Star Trek News.

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01:41:26.920 --> 01:41:30.399
Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on Secure.

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01:41:30.159 --> 01:41:37.039
Channel incoming transmission enter authorization code command codes verified.

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01:41:38.039 --> 01:41:44.159
Define parameters of program level nine authorization required, specifying parameters.

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01:41:45.600 --> 01:41:47.279
Transfer updata is complete.

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01:41:48.000 --> 01:41:50.720
A blank alert, A blank alert.

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01:41:51.520 --> 01:41:54.560
Okay, Eric you get to start us off, buddy, take

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01:41:54.600 --> 01:41:56.000
it away all right.

1703
01:41:56.760 --> 01:41:58.960
We are heading into one of our favorite sections here

1704
01:41:59.159 --> 01:42:03.199
called Shatters What And I think this plays off something

1705
01:42:03.239 --> 01:42:06.119
we talked about the other day with the possible return

1706
01:42:06.439 --> 01:42:10.000
of Captain Kirk. But this one is kind of on

1707
01:42:10.039 --> 01:42:12.560
the opposite end of things. So William Shatner shares a

1708
01:42:12.720 --> 01:42:17.840
brutally honest response to a Star Trek question. William Shatner

1709
01:42:17.880 --> 01:42:21.960
has left Star Trek fans in ysterics with his brutally

1710
01:42:22.159 --> 01:42:26.960
honest reaction to a question about the franchise. Shatner ninety three,

1711
01:42:27.439 --> 01:42:30.399
made his debut in ged Rodberry's mega successful sci fi

1712
01:42:30.479 --> 01:42:34.319
franchise in nineteen sixty six, of course, playing Captain James Kirk,

1713
01:42:34.880 --> 01:42:37.359
and was ultimately killed off in the nineteen ninety four

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01:42:37.479 --> 01:42:41.800
film Star Trek Generations. The actor has long been vocal

1715
01:42:41.920 --> 01:42:44.880
about the reason behind the decision to kill off the character,

1716
01:42:45.039 --> 01:42:48.800
and in response to being asked the question, he said, quote,

1717
01:42:49.520 --> 01:42:52.600
why did you let them kill kirkoff? In Generations? He

1718
01:42:52.680 --> 01:42:55.760
shared a gift on social media depicting someone shooting a

1719
01:42:55.800 --> 01:43:00.239
gun filled with dollars. Fans of Star Trek pray he's

1720
01:43:00.279 --> 01:43:02.479
the actor for his openness in the comments section, with

1721
01:43:02.560 --> 01:43:06.159
one responding he has a great sense of humor, another

1722
01:43:06.279 --> 01:43:10.960
adding I can appreciate this level of simple honesty. However,

1723
01:43:11.520 --> 01:43:14.239
it's worth noting that Shatner is not alluding to the

1724
01:43:14.319 --> 01:43:17.319
fact that he himself made money from the decision, but

1725
01:43:17.439 --> 01:43:21.439
that the studio, as he was told by the producer, quote,

1726
01:43:21.960 --> 01:43:24.680
we're going to kill Kirk because we think that it

1727
01:43:24.760 --> 01:43:28.560
will make more money at the box office. In fact,

1728
01:43:29.159 --> 01:43:33.039
Shatner was left unimpressed with the impetus behind the idea,

1729
01:43:33.399 --> 01:43:35.760
but he was told Kirk would be dying with or

1730
01:43:35.880 --> 01:43:40.840
without his approval. Shatner previously said I didn't think I

1731
01:43:40.920 --> 01:43:43.800
had any choice in the matter. Armont has decided that

1732
01:43:43.920 --> 01:43:47.319
the ceiling, that the ceiling that they should reach in

1733
01:43:47.479 --> 01:43:50.520
our box office has been reached, and that they thought

1734
01:43:50.600 --> 01:43:53.239
by putting in the next generation cast that they would

1735
01:43:53.520 --> 01:43:57.319
reach a higher box office. That decision has been made.

1736
01:43:57.800 --> 01:44:00.439
It was either I was going to appear and die

1737
01:44:01.079 --> 01:44:04.159
or they were going to say he died, So I

1738
01:44:04.359 --> 01:44:07.960
chose the more practical of the two. The film ended

1739
01:44:08.039 --> 01:44:13.239
up making just one hundred and eighteen million dollars. I

1740
01:44:13.319 --> 01:44:15.920
would have done something else, Shatner said. It was all

1741
01:44:15.960 --> 01:44:19.319
against me. I wish that there had been more trumpets

1742
01:44:19.479 --> 01:44:24.159
for the death of the character. Well, not to worry,

1743
01:44:24.199 --> 01:44:26.720
mister Shatner. I'm pretty sure you'll find a way to

1744
01:44:26.800 --> 01:44:27.800
work your way back into it.

1745
01:44:33.800 --> 01:44:34.199
Him back.

1746
01:44:34.760 --> 01:44:41.319
Oh my goodness, gracious book. Yeah. Well so I often

1747
01:44:41.359 --> 01:44:43.359
bring this up on the podcast. But if you want

1748
01:44:43.439 --> 01:44:48.359
to learn kind of the the vision that mister Shattner

1749
01:44:48.439 --> 01:44:53.520
had for his character post Generations, you should read And

1750
01:44:53.640 --> 01:44:56.399
I'm not saying it's a great book, but but you

1751
01:44:56.600 --> 01:45:01.560
could choose to read the book The Reach Turn, which

1752
01:45:01.720 --> 01:45:04.640
was a star Trek novel that he wrote wherein he

1753
01:45:04.800 --> 01:45:11.520
is brought back by various technological mechanisms and shenanigans en sue.

1754
01:45:11.760 --> 01:45:12.319
So there you go.

1755
01:45:12.760 --> 01:45:15.640
Sounds great, Okay, way.

1756
01:45:17.479 --> 01:45:17.920
I read it.

1757
01:45:18.760 --> 01:45:26.079
Eh, Well, Paul gets our next story as our resident

1758
01:45:26.239 --> 01:45:28.000
award person.

1759
01:45:27.760 --> 01:45:30.079
So okay. I do kind of get swept up an

1760
01:45:30.119 --> 01:45:33.520
award fever every year because you know movie addict that

1761
01:45:33.640 --> 01:45:37.800
I am. And I'm here to tell you that Zoe

1762
01:45:38.000 --> 01:45:42.279
Saldana has swept the award season and she wins Best

1763
01:45:42.359 --> 01:45:46.119
Supporting Actress at the twenty twenty five Oscars for her

1764
01:45:46.239 --> 01:45:49.880
work in Emilia Pettis. Okay, from center stage to the

1765
01:45:49.960 --> 01:45:56.159
Golden Stage. Zoe Saldana's talent is undeniable. The star took

1766
01:45:56.199 --> 01:45:59.000
home her first OSCAR for Best Supporting Actress for her

1767
01:45:59.079 --> 01:46:02.920
role in Amilia at the twenty twenty five Academy Awards.

1768
01:46:04.199 --> 01:46:06.520
She says, my mom is here, my whole family is here.

1769
01:46:06.640 --> 01:46:09.560
I am floored by this honor. Saldana sent through tears

1770
01:46:09.600 --> 01:46:12.399
while accepting her award to my cast and my crew

1771
01:46:12.520 --> 01:46:15.439
of Amelia Perez, I'm sharing this award with you. She

1772
01:46:15.520 --> 01:46:18.159
also added that to my mom and my dad and sisters,

1773
01:46:18.319 --> 01:46:21.239
everything brave, outrageous and good I've ever done in my

1774
01:46:21.399 --> 01:46:24.239
life is because of you, giving her the other half

1775
01:46:24.359 --> 01:46:27.239
Marco Perego, whom she married in twenty thirteen, to shout out.

1776
01:46:27.319 --> 01:46:31.079
Saldana continued, and to my husband, the biggest honor in

1777
01:46:31.159 --> 01:46:34.079
my life is being your partner. My grandmother came to

1778
01:46:34.199 --> 01:46:36.720
this country in nineteen sixty one. I am a proud

1779
01:46:36.880 --> 01:46:40.600
child of immigrant parents with dreams and dignity and hard

1780
01:46:40.640 --> 01:46:44.159
working hands. I am the first American of Dominican origin

1781
01:46:44.239 --> 01:46:47.079
to accept an Academy award, and I know it won't

1782
01:46:47.119 --> 01:46:50.640
be the last. It was a very impassioned speech, really

1783
01:46:50.720 --> 01:46:54.000
really well done. The accolades comes after Saldona swept awards

1784
01:46:54.039 --> 01:46:58.720
season for her role, taking home the Golden Globe Critic

1785
01:46:58.880 --> 01:47:03.399
Choice Up and Screen Actors Guilds Awards for playing lawyer

1786
01:47:03.640 --> 01:47:08.159
Rita Mora Castro. At age twenty one, Saldana put on

1787
01:47:08.199 --> 01:47:10.560
her point shoes as she landed her first feature film

1788
01:47:10.640 --> 01:47:14.840
role in the two thousand dance musical Center Stage as

1789
01:47:15.079 --> 01:47:19.079
ballet dancer Ava Rodriguez. Saldana then started opposite Britney Spears

1790
01:47:19.159 --> 01:47:21.680
and Tarinn Manning in the two thousand and two rom

1791
01:47:21.800 --> 01:47:24.920
com Crossroads. She started the two thousand and five flick

1792
01:47:25.039 --> 01:47:30.319
Guess Who opposite Ashton Kutcher and Bernie mac Saldana played

1793
01:47:30.319 --> 01:47:33.359
a young woman who brings home her new fiance Coucher

1794
01:47:33.600 --> 01:47:36.920
to meet her parents. I'm not sure why that's there.

1795
01:47:39.319 --> 01:47:43.520
Fascinating description of that memorable movie. By two thousand and nine,

1796
01:47:43.640 --> 01:47:47.239
she joined James Cameron's Avatar franchise, playing the role of

1797
01:47:47.439 --> 01:47:51.880
Natiri and wow did that ever take off? After playing

1798
01:47:51.920 --> 01:47:54.399
the character in twenty twenty two's Avatar The Way of

1799
01:47:54.479 --> 01:47:58.000
Water Zoi, Saldana is set to reprise her role in

1800
01:47:58.079 --> 01:48:03.760
the fictitious Land of Pandora Avatar Fire and Ash, scheduled

1801
01:48:03.840 --> 01:48:08.279
for release this coming December. Friends. She's also starred as

1802
01:48:08.319 --> 01:48:13.079
Lieutenant Niota Uhura in Star Trek two thousand and nine,

1803
01:48:13.159 --> 01:48:17.399
followed by Star Trek Into Darkness in twenty thirteen and

1804
01:48:17.479 --> 01:48:21.439
Star Trek Beyond in twenty sixteen. As for the possibility

1805
01:48:21.520 --> 01:48:25.560
before Star Trek film, Zoe Saldana said, I still have hope,

1806
01:48:25.840 --> 01:48:29.039
calling the first three projects a wonderful experience. She added,

1807
01:48:29.479 --> 01:48:32.039
I know they're always trying to sort of aim to

1808
01:48:32.119 --> 01:48:34.560
wrangle everybody together, but I also know that Paramount is

1809
01:48:34.600 --> 01:48:36.880
working on a new, sort of fresh take on Star Trek,

1810
01:48:37.680 --> 01:48:40.560
which I think is such a wonderful franchise that should

1811
01:48:40.600 --> 01:48:42.880
live for a very long time. Whether or not us

1812
01:48:42.960 --> 01:48:45.359
as the original remake cast can come back, I don't know,

1813
01:48:45.800 --> 01:48:49.279
but I certainly hope so. In twenty fourteen, she took

1814
01:48:49.319 --> 01:48:52.359
on the character of Gomorra in Guardians of the Galaxy,

1815
01:48:52.800 --> 01:48:56.560
before reprising the green skinned warrior princess four more times

1816
01:48:57.119 --> 01:49:01.439
in Guardians of the Galaxy Volume two, Avengers Infinity, Avengers Endgame,

1817
01:49:01.960 --> 01:49:06.159
and Guardians of the Galaxy Volume three. In twenty twenty three,

1818
01:49:06.279 --> 01:49:11.159
Saldana began playing CIA officer in the Paramount Plus spy

1819
01:49:11.279 --> 01:49:16.039
series special Ops Lioness alongside Nicole Gidman. Fast forward to

1820
01:49:16.079 --> 01:49:19.119
twenty twenty four and then Netflix musical thriller Emelia Perez.

1821
01:49:19.760 --> 01:49:24.000
Emilia Perez follows a Mexican drug cartel leader played by

1822
01:49:24.479 --> 01:49:28.640
Carlos Sophia Gascon, who transitions to a woman. I am

1823
01:49:28.680 --> 01:49:30.840
proud to be part of a union that allows me

1824
01:49:30.960 --> 01:49:33.800
to be who I am. I have never been questions

1825
01:49:33.840 --> 01:49:35.960
where I come from, or judge for how I speak

1826
01:49:36.159 --> 01:49:39.680
or what my pronouns are. Saldana continued. Everyone has the

1827
01:49:39.760 --> 01:49:43.039
right to be who they are. Amelia Perez is about

1828
01:49:43.079 --> 01:49:45.520
truth and love and us actors really have to tell

1829
01:49:45.600 --> 01:49:48.720
stories that are thought provoking and beautiful and live within

1830
01:49:48.800 --> 01:49:53.680
the spectrum of artistic freedom. And I just feel compelled

1831
01:49:53.920 --> 01:49:58.800
to just say, briefly, this movie got a lot of grief, right.

1832
01:49:59.239 --> 01:50:01.399
I had a really a good shot of I think

1833
01:50:01.479 --> 01:50:05.239
taking home best picture. I mean it could have, it

1834
01:50:05.439 --> 01:50:09.960
really really could have. It's a dynamite picture. It reinvents

1835
01:50:10.039 --> 01:50:14.760
the musical in a very fresh and compelling and potent way.

1836
01:50:16.119 --> 01:50:20.359
I think two things happened. The fact that a trans

1837
01:50:20.520 --> 01:50:24.479
character is prominently featured in this film, not as you

1838
01:50:24.520 --> 01:50:29.159
would ever imagine, right, defying all stereotypes and the fact

1839
01:50:29.199 --> 01:50:34.680
that that character is played by a transactor, Carlo Sophia Gascon,

1840
01:50:34.840 --> 01:50:39.279
who said a lot of things that perhaps their press

1841
01:50:39.319 --> 01:50:42.439
agent wish they hadn't on social media, as sometimes you

1842
01:50:42.520 --> 01:50:46.039
get caught up in the moment, right, and it really

1843
01:50:46.159 --> 01:50:52.279
caused a lot of controversy that I think unfairly blemished

1844
01:50:52.319 --> 01:50:57.560
the film. Right, it is a terrific picture. The main

1845
01:50:57.680 --> 01:51:00.239
reason I want to point out is Okay, yeah, yeah,

1846
01:51:00.560 --> 01:51:03.600
Zois Aldana won Best Supporting Actress. It's one of those

1847
01:51:03.680 --> 01:51:07.479
weird things though, right, Best Supporting Actress. But she's in

1848
01:51:07.680 --> 01:51:11.119
like every scene in this movie. It's weird. It's like

1849
01:51:11.199 --> 01:51:14.399
when Samuel L. Jackson got Best Supporting Actor for fulk Fiction.

1850
01:51:14.880 --> 01:51:18.359
I'm like, he's in every scene in the movie, right,

1851
01:51:18.479 --> 01:51:22.199
I mean what you're talking about. But she is phenomenal.

1852
01:51:22.359 --> 01:51:25.600
I've always been a big fan of Zois Aldona's, you know,

1853
01:51:25.960 --> 01:51:27.800
all of her work. I mean, I love she's such

1854
01:51:27.840 --> 01:51:32.039
a sci fi girl, right, I mean Avatar Guardians, But

1855
01:51:32.279 --> 01:51:34.720
she is. I don't know that she's ever been better

1856
01:51:34.960 --> 01:51:37.960
than she has been in this. Okay, don't let the

1857
01:51:38.079 --> 01:51:41.720
fact that there are elements of sexuality that you're not

1858
01:51:41.800 --> 01:51:45.000
comfortable with. Put you off this film. I don't like musicals.

1859
01:51:45.119 --> 01:51:47.920
Don't be that guy. Okay, watch, don't look.

1860
01:51:47.960 --> 01:51:49.479
Don't look at the IMDb score.

1861
01:51:49.720 --> 01:51:53.800
Yeah, whatever you get bought generated nonsense that you know,

1862
01:51:53.840 --> 01:51:58.279
a bunch of you know, trogolodites artificially conflate. But it's

1863
01:51:58.399 --> 01:52:03.000
movies A ten and it's really rewarding it. I remember

1864
01:52:03.119 --> 01:52:05.680
talking after it was over. I'm like I there was

1865
01:52:05.760 --> 01:52:08.479
never like a scene that I was not enraptured by

1866
01:52:08.640 --> 01:52:11.439
and totally on the edge of my seat. No dull

1867
01:52:11.520 --> 01:52:15.439
spot right, there's no safe bathroom scene in Amelia Beetez.

1868
01:52:15.520 --> 01:52:20.920
It's just great. It's a dynamite, highly underrated, and I'm

1869
01:52:20.960 --> 01:52:23.079
sorry it got so much controversy thrown at it, but

1870
01:52:23.439 --> 01:52:25.439
I think history will be really kind to this movie.

1871
01:52:25.560 --> 01:52:31.039
It's a knockout first and foremost. It's a crime picture, right.

1872
01:52:31.199 --> 01:52:34.319
It is a pretty in your face crime picture and

1873
01:52:34.399 --> 01:52:36.720
a lot of times, if you like, you know, movies

1874
01:52:36.760 --> 01:52:42.920
about villains and about crime and facing up against challenging odds.

1875
01:52:43.239 --> 01:52:45.000
The movie Deliver is like a house on fire. So

1876
01:52:45.119 --> 01:52:47.840
definitely check it out. Friends. If you have not, congratulations

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always saw down and we'd love it if you come

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back as if we're again because you rock and I'm

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gonna pass it over to Charles.

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Okay, Charles, my Mike back on mic out there we go.

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Okay, he's in space.

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Yeah, I had a transfer Studios. A new Captain Janeway

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spinoff is being pursued Star Trek Jane Star Trek Jane Way,

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a series focused on the return of Kate mulgrews Admiral

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Catherine Jane Way, set sometime after the events of Prodigy

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and after events of maccard season three. Speaking to a

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crowd of fans during the official Star Trek cruise, McGrew

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answered a question about the possibility of a Jane Way

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focused spinoff series, or, failing that, her return to the

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franchise in any capacity, there's a conversation happening, McGrew said.

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McGrew said is being pursued. McGrew had long been of

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vocals about galvanizing fans, which particular results in Star Trek

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Prodigy Season two ending up on Netflix, But in terms

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of a new Star Trek series focusing on the post

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voyage era, nothing on the current paramount plus late fits

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that description. On Star Trek Whu's. McGrew expressed concern that

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Januain's live action series might not live up to what

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fans wanted, and she also didn't want to do a

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show that Van deeprojects. It seems that although fans would

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prefer a live action Janeway series, mcgrew's preference and perhaps

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what she's pursuing, would be to simply get a third

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season of Star Trek Prodigy. In both seasons of that series,

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McGrew played not only an older Admiral Janeway, but a

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holographic AI interface hologram Janeway who guided the young Starward

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on the USS Protostar. I'd like Prodigy to be optimized

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for a third season, McGrew said, and a pre taped

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interview ahead of the cruise. So if Mcjaneway doesn't return,

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it seems that it would be mcgrew's preference, at least

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for now. There's still a lot of love out there

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for Voyage Era, and clearly all of it's a buzz

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and could indicate that mcgrew's final appearance in Sturchik Mythos

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wouldn't be limited to Progy season two, but where she were,

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but where she'd beam in again, demanding Black coffee remains unseen.

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A hypothetical progys even three would be the easiest way

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for Janeuay to turn, but not the only way.

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No. I think that since the Holographic Doctor is coming back,

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we could see how Holi deck Jane Way in Starfleet

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Academy very easily, right, Yeah.

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I mean I would love to see her her current

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day version of herself and not a not kind of

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like an older version, like a previous version, because I

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feel like when you see Kate Mulgrew the way she

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looks now, it just kind of lends even more weight

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to the fact that Jane Way would have all this

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experience and you know, knowledge, and just like I feel

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like you would feel the gravity of her character even

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more if you saw her in her current day incarnation.

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I love that she was on Prodigy as kind of

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a younger holographic version of herself, but I would love

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to see her in the flesh with the hair, you know,

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playing the person that she is now.

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Did you watch her in Oranges as the New Black Man? Oh?

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Absolutely amazing?

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Just what what shops man? Like the shows, I'm gonna

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do something totally different, just like off she goes. But

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you just buy everything she sells.

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She's red, right, it was red.

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Yeah, she's just super hardcore. I think that that after,

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you know, it just shows what a you know kind

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of i mean, really compelling but narrow area of focus.

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So she did with Janeway, right, and she can just

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do all this other stuff. I'm with you, man, I'd

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like to see like, uh, you know, a later days

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Janeway who still got you know, a lot of fire

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in her belly, right and wants to you know, deal

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with stuff, right.

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I mean, I think Janeway could be then like, for

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lack of a better term than nup card, right, the

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one who's always like making the right decisions, has all

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the knowledge, takes all the things into consideration. I just

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think she would be fantastic in that role.

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And John Rice Davies is still with us, so we

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can still do like Leonardo moments of like, I mean,

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it still could be with you know, and God, let's

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get took in them back together, right, you just would

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be the best. That guy's just amazing.

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You.

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It's so freaking cool. But yeah, I mean I think

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that she's right, right, what does she say that there's

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a huge amount of love for Voyager, right, I think

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it's it's way more popular now than it was when

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it was on the air. I think people have really discovered,

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you know, the quality of the writing and the characters,

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and I'd be way down for that.

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All right, guys, well you know what time it is? No,

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it's that time again. So next week, next week we're

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going to be doing a great performance is a Star

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Trek podcast. We're each going to pick some of our

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favorite moments from our some of our favorite characters and

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just chat about It's going to be a lot of fun.

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We'll have our Star Trek polls again and our Star

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Trek birthdays and hopefully we'll have more living birthdays than

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we have remembrances, which was odd this week, but you

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never know. And I want to take a moment to

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say thank you to Eric for hanging out and trek

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talking with us tonight.

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Thank you so much, Eric, absolutely, thank you guys, And

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thank you.

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So much to Paul for hanging out and trek talking

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with us.

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Thank you, Paul, my pleasure, gentlemen, lots of fun.

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And of course thank you to Charles even with his

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palm trees and scorpions for trek talking with us. Thank you, Paul,

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Thank you so much. Thank you.

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Just got to be careful to storms. You guys talk

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batten down too.

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And thank you to David, our miracle worker, for the

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wonderful slide shows and for hanging out and trek talking

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with us. Thank you so much, David.

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Yeah, it's welcome. It's been really fun.

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I enjoyed it and I'm your most excellent host. Uncle

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Jim saying to everybody, please stay safe and be good

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to each other. Remember Star Trek fans are the best fans.

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Thank you for being a fan. Hailing frequencies are closed.

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Good night everybody.

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Good night, Levelan and prosper.

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Keep your powdered dim.

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Ready for departure, sir, Some problem RIGHTA. Just hoping this

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isn't the usual lay of missions will go.

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Sir, Oh no, number one.

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I'm sure most will be much more interesting. Let's see

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what's out there. Game