Episode 654 SNW- "New Life and New Civilizations" discussion

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1:04 Now. Well, good evening trek Is and Trekers around the globe. But it's Thursday, September eighteenth, twenty twenty five. Welcome to episode six hundred and fifty four of Trek Talking Wow six hundred and fifty four. I'm your most excellent host, Uncle Jim. Welcome to the podcast. Before I go too far, I'd like to go around and introduce you to my awesome, awesome trek experts. We'll start off with Paul Paul's out in Portland. How you doing tonight? Paul, Paul, I see your lips, but I don't hear your voice anymore. Let's try that way. There you go, loud and clear.

2:03 Yeah, you know it's a I find that my First Amendment rights are under threat daily now, so that was probably what that was due to it because I felt momentarily threatened by somebody with a lack of vision, mister Stock, a lack of motivation. So I managed to rest the controls, rest the helm back because my voice must be heard, Spock, and. It is her loud and clear. And we also have Eric, he's also from Portland. How you doing, Eric? Doing pretty good? Man? I wish I could think of cool stuff to see.

2:43 I'll just say I'm doing okay. I'm doing okay, I'm doing okay. And that's okay, that's fine. And uh, let's let's stick with our Portland theme and swing on over to David. He's our miracle worker. How are you doing tonight, David, I'm. Doing pretty good. Didn't for good? H you know, don't for good? Okay, all right, so you're pretty good. That if there's like an audition for a show later after the podcast, man. Get the part. Yeah, A lot of improv girls go.

3:24 I have some man, but tonight is not working. We're uh, we're not going to go to Portland. We're going to go out there, Virgin. We're going to say hello to v How you doing tonight? Welcome to I have MUTI here again with me? So who will bank the bones of anybody who violates my first Amendment? Right there? You go? All right, that's cool. Excellent Simpsons fans, because I love the Simpsons. Yeah, I've got strong ties to Matt Greening. I love all of his shows. Even have a family member who works.

4:05 With Really that's cool. And he's got yeah, the whole s Portland thing. Yeah, all of the Simpsons characters are named after streets in Portland. Y. Yeah. We actually have a Flanders on a on a brass plaque on one of our mates. That's awesome. That explains a lot right there. And the facts I know, Yeah, I believe. I frequently quote the h it's an old treehouse of horror with the Rene Education Center. When it's it's like just just just relax, let the hook do their work, you know, every type, that's what you have to do.

4:53 So I was gonna say mine, and mine that I use frequently is every time I eat spicy food, I say my mouth tastes like bird. I'm in danger. Principle. That's what it is. A whole thing just on the. P going for the next two hours. They keep on predicting stuff for the future that's been happening, and it's just like, I don't know if Matt Groening. Has so.

5:34 Particular prediction. Okay, well, guys, U I have to apologize because Chris Myers was going to be on with us place who played and some gamble on Strange New Worlds, and he was really excited to join us. We were all set, but unfortunately, as but fortunately for him, he ended a role in a play on Broadway and has to do his uh what do you call it rehearsals and whatnot? So yeah, and and he told us that that was the Buena Visa Social Club, which of course I know is a band. But then my wife tells me that they made a movie of the band too, and that the musical is a musical of the movie of the band.

6:25 Anything about that, you know, I know, I just I love the band, but I just had no idea that. Respecting and turn it into multi media. It's like the idea in Hollywood is that, you know, Broadways revenue streams right, and Buenavista Social Club comic book Buenavistic Social Club. I think they were banned, so I got to look that up. Okay, I didn't know anything about it, so you know, I'm an you know what? You know what I say? I say, we should take a road trip and go see him. Uh you know Opening Night.

7:09 New York. Yeah, probably it's a long drive. I rode a train almost well. I did wind up in New York because I missed my stop. But that's another story. So you missed your stop? Uh huh yeah, no. Sleeping, No, no, what happened? Okay. Amtrak has rules for the size of luggage you can bring onto the train. These college girls did not pay attention to it. They had these can I say? Can I say, as I'm here.

7:50 Already? Did you. Only can be described? It's okay, I got. Mostly is going to talk for me. Okay. What I was trying to say, you weirdos, was that these girls had these big ass suitcases. They did not They were standing in the aisle. I was like literally four feet from the exit. When we pulled into the station. I could not get past them. They did not understand what I was trying to say. The train was trying to make up for lost time, for previous stops, so they stopped for like three seconds, which I could have gotten off, but I couldn't. The train takes off. I go to New York. Long story short, lots of swearing. No, I'm not going to repeat what I said and what I said to those girls because they thought it was hilarious and I what's that line that Garrick said?

8:54 Uh uh? But I made several cutting remarks that will no doubt leave life as damage or something. I love garret lines, you know. Anyway, but I did thankfully make it back on a train. I just got on a random train that was supposed to be too back to the Newark, Penn station and luckily it actually went there. So wow, Okay, I'm glad you made it. I don't know how we're going the way. Excellent review last week. Thank you. I had so much fun. I had so much fun. I need to do it again. That's what I just want to do for the rest of my life.

9:36 So it's just go to Star Trek comes and you know, just have fun. And yeah it is. I could do that. I really could. That one was so nice because it was so contained. I know there's anybody out there that that you know, wants to live like curiously through me and just pay for my trips. I will lastly do that because I want to make more. I want to make more CROs play outfits. I want to be Kai Winn. I want to be Sorella. I want to be able to do cling on weddings and be a like a legit person and recite that cool poem that she did when Warph and Genzia got married.

10:25 Well, William Shatner is going to be at Trek connor Roga November twenty first and twenty second, So okay for the eight million, four hundred and eighty seven thousandth time. So uh you know, yeah, we'll see and I'm I wanted to. A lot of times, will miss these connections. Like it's okay, it's just like it's a lateral. Well you know because he because he wrote and directed Star Trek five. Oh yeah, I knew that was That's our first that was that was the one regret that I couldn't get to the mic in time. But he had to tell that dad gum story about getting food poisoning from fish, and they did not want to think of Shatner on the toilet puking and.

11:13 I stay away from the fish, but I wanted. To tell him about our chatner says what segment, because he probably would have thought it was hilarious or we were insane, or either way us more likely that hopefully not hopefully not. Well. At any rate, we were going to have Chris Meyer on the podcast. He couldn't make it, so we had to throw something together real quick. And here we are throwing something together real quick. So this is what you get. Yeah, it's there professionalism. We are definitely going to be talking about the strange New World's finale, new life and new civilizations, and we're going to be able to give it its full going over naturally, which is cool. And we do have our fans shout outs, and that's a great segment. That's one of my favorite segments, and that's where we get to say thank you to fans just like you right there for listening to our podcast and putting up with us.

12:12 So that's pretty awesome. I do have a couple of polls this week. You know, does Pelly you know doctor who? And who does she know? And Eric's going to answer that one for us later on. You don't want to miss that and now that season three has ended, what is your favorite season of Strange New Worlds? You'll have to stick around to find out what our fans had to say and what Star Trek actors do you share a birthday with. We'll find out on our Star Trek birthdays and what's going on around the Star Trek universe. Chattner says, what Kirk returns and the Klingons get a day off? I wonder what that could be about. So you're going to have to hang around if you want to find out. So that's what we have planned for you guys. Tonight. You can over to our Facebook page at Truk Talking and Beyond. At the top of the page, you'll see a pin post saying live long and prosper tell us where you're listening from leaves lots of dancing emojis.

13:07 They get my attention. If you see your heart next to your name from yours truly, Uncle Jim, you are going to be featured in a future fan shout out. So Eric take away, you've got our fans shout out. All right, let's do it. Our first fan shout out goes out to Carlos Sanchez Montoya, who's saying hello to us from Quito, Ecuador. Is that one of those countries you've been to, Paul, I can't remember. Have you been at Ecuador, Costa Rica? Costa Rica? Okay, yeah, on Ecuador. I've heard good things though, I've heard it's amazing. Well, Carlos, I'm sure that you could tell us all about it. It would be great to have a little more detail from you. What's it like living down in Ecuador?

13:48 How many Star Trek fans are there? How much do you love our podcast? Thank you so much for saying hello to us this week. We really appreciate it. Also saying hello this week to Joe McCloud of the Clan McCloud. Now that's in Scotland, sorry, Joe is hailing from Western Australia, sending us that wonderful Australian flag. You know, it's pretty far from the United States. It's a place I might want to visit and stay. McCloud, do you like it down there? I love and wombats. Some fact have square poop, so it doesn't there Burrows.

14:29 Just if you've ever seen The Lord of the Rings, that's where Lembus bread came from, right it's you know, square. Wombat poop. That's how Proto and Sam cross. I love iris. I love it all right. Well, every animal in Australia wants to kill you. What I was going to say, don't they have like that? Do not? And the sad thing is that too many people don't pay attention to them. And because I follow these animal rescues, but I love all the animals, but it's just really kind of heartbreaking that so many people do so much work to take care of them, to nurse them back to health, and it's just really quite amazing.

15:12 So if I ever went to Australia, I would just visit all the people that I've uh, you know, seen over over the internet on Facebook about you know, rescuing wombats and quacas and kangaroos and everything. Yeah, koalas and quacas. All right, anyway, I'm going to shut up now. No, No, I love it, and I would hope that you would think to bring us all back a sample of that square poo. I'd love to see that. I don't think you can export it out of the count I remember off the frog. Do you think it's possible? Can we trade ourselves to do that? Do you think we can if we are disciplined enough and studying geometry, can we can we train ourselves to boost grow.

15:54 I feel like I've got you. See what happens? Okay, if Chris Myers is watching, see what happens when you don't show up? We just go all the hell here. That dude from Australia gets back in touch. Only well, yeah. Thank goodness. Joe McLeod got ahold of us and hasn't been scared off yet, So like. Fu Joe, all right? Also saying hello this week to Petra, a towny, a county. I believe I'm spelling or saying that correct. You're from Germany. That does not sound like a German last name. I'm pretty good with German names, so maybe that's I don't know, Italian or something. But Petra, thank you so much for saying hello to us. Regardless of where you live. We have a lot of support from people living in Germany.

16:43 We always appreciate all of that love coming right from the middle of your up there. And last, but not least, we're saying hello this week to spend full full kill. Spends full kill, who is saying hello to us from Paderborn. You say, where's Paderborne. Well, we're going back to Germany again. So thank you spend so much for saying hello to us. Charles is not here, so v would you like to do the Charles fan shout out? Oh no you have, Well that's okay, why don't. You do both? Yeah, we have the top fan. K Miller McLeod from southern California, So greetings to you are top fan. That's wonderful.

17:23 I believe that's Southern Carolina correctly. I mean you don't know what might do if you Okay, you know a time to put on your readers. I have windows. That's what happens when I'm when I'm tired, I tend to misread stuff. But uh so Southern Carolina. And I hope you like that good Carolina barbecue with the vinegar sauce, because that is the best anyway. Next we have Dave Mondane from Pittsburgh, PA USA. Pittsburgh named for William pitt the one member of Parliament who stood up and spoke on behalf of the colonies when they were having protests over the stampbacks in seventeen sixty five.

18:23 So thank you to William Pitt. Then we have Jim Cole from the San Francisco Bay area. All right, so I wonder if he lives near Starfleet headquarters. Then Roger Enzor from Quitman, Mississippi. All right. So next, oh, we have rising fan Adam Hutchinson from Dayton, Ohio, USA. So thank you Adam for being a rising fan. Next Joey Kerr from Indiana. In Kisha from Memphis, Tennessee. What's a great music out of Memphis. And then certainly, last but not least, Alan J. Petal from Maryland. All right, Paul, onto you.

19:16 Thank you. Charles, I mean, excuse me, put my readers on. It's not it's just we're off the rail child. Charles makes confusing comments. Then well, Charles, man, I need to I need to go see version or something. No, I just astro projected for a minute there. Sorry, it's so let's visit other parts of the Oh my gosh. Here we're going to sing he loa to our flag waving brethren. Lean is a zillion living in Colombia, and that.

20:04 Sounds like a pretty exciting journey there, Leandro. So great to know that there is still star Trek available to view down in those southern hemispheres. Which is great. Happy hello, I was a happy birthday. I'm really out of it today and clearly but hello and welcome to Jose Salazar from Monterey, Mexico. Absolutely fantastic here from Jose. I love that there is a huge contingent of Star Trek fans in Mexico. Give it up the top. Fan, top fan Emilio gi A Nasi from Cordoba, Argentina. Top fans are folks who are. Engaging on our Facebook page all the time. If so, you would like. To be a top fan, engage on our Facebook page frequently and send a blank check to Uncle Jim care of PO Box sixteen sixty six, Rutland, Vermont h six oh two one five, and you could be a top fan as well. Oh wait a minute, there's one more person here, my brethren as well. Stuart Cook with an E.

21:07 Stuart Cook with an E from Worcestershire, Shire from the UK, land of many exciting sauces and mispronunciations. I believe that is what Worcestershire Sire Worcestershire. Let me try it again. The state. Yeah, exactly, that's funny. You know, my wife is on vacasion and wors she was here, right, It's like you know, Worcestershire. It's like, you know, I don't know what to tell you, but yeah, it's yeah, a lot of vowels and consonants colliding. But anyhow, proof that we have Star Trek fans all over the place, South America, the UK, Germany, you name it, even in weird little you know, Banjo picking towns in the South.

21:49 There are Star Trek fans everywhere. Isn't that right, Uncle Jim? I couldn't agree more. Paul, speaking of little towns, I'd like to say I held and thank you to Andrew Schletzler, who's listening to us in New Joys. Thank you for listening, Andrew. Also Alan Stevens, who's in Sanford, Maine. I believe that's where Stephen King is from. He's from Castle Rock, but. It's close enough. I saw you can throw. He's from banger Castle, the town that's in his books. Then there's something we made. Exist. I mean there's okay, I can't tell fact from fiction.

22:31 You should know that every one of these stories takes place as Maine. So yeah, but he's a he's I believe Banger's elements where he was born, but that's where he has his hat. You know, I wonder if we could get him on the podcast. And we also want to say she's like, who's listening to us in West Virginia? U s A thank you, thank you so much. And last but not least on my list, Dana Morris who's in Toronto, Canada, thank you so much for being fans. If you guys would like to see yourselves on a future finish shout out, head over to our Facebook page, tell us where you're from, leave lots of emojis, and if you want to send us a picture and it'll be right up there on the screen with all these other great like there's Eric and I are Trek con Roga right now and your picture can be up there shared for the whole world to see Trek talking and beyond. All right, guys, that finishes up our fans shout outs, and now it's time to move on to some polls. You guys ready for some polls? All right? We got to play the polling song first.

23:43 Thirty you know me like no win what you thought about the show? Then we try. Just share your opinion all of our minions out there because they listen worldwide. So tell us just what you think. Get together we will all. Drink canar and robulin an. I think I got an AI project for you, David. What we need to do, you see, is we need to get pictures of Uncle Jim, and then we need pictures of a horse, and we need kind of Uncle Jim like riding off into the distance.

24:34 The video there you go, put him on the horse as sidebox from our trek five. It's a perfect AI project for you man. Al right, So, uh, we have a couple of polls this week, and David, you want to roll the tape. I'm just that Enterprise was able to be my right back to Earth and I'm glad we all get to be there for your promotion ceremony, Jersey. Additionally, we will take the opportunity to run ship wide diagnostics. Enterprises had a challenging few months. That is an understatement, challenging challenging.

25:18 Remind me to tell you about the time I spent with the time challling doc. All right, so you saw the clip, Eric, what is the question? Well, the question is does Pellian know the doctor? And that's of course the doctor from doctor who the British television series, and of the responders to our poll say, heck yeat, Pelly knows the doctor. And given that this is the second Doctor Who reference we've had this season, the first of course being that there was an actual tardest hook up to the same little viny thing that was connected to the enterprise in the salat who Ate Its Tail, I would say I kind of have to agree.

26:11 I mean, here she clearly pivots, you know, she's going to say something else, Pike gives her a look, and then she kind of comes up with this time traveling doctor thing. But is not every single half truth rooted in in truth? I think maybe she's like a hidden companion. Perhaps she's the companion for the fugitive doctor, because we've never seen that companion. Perhaps she's the companion of the war doctor. We've never seen that companion. So I know that none of you have any idea what I'm talking about. But if you're out there and you like Doctor Who, you know what I'm talking about. She's a hidden companion, I'm calling it. I was on you to tell us what doctor she knows? Was it? Tom Baker? Uh?

26:52 Well, I think you know all of the assuming that all of the adventures that we know about all the other doctors have actually been seen on screen and we've never seen. I therefore have to pivot to doctors whose companions we've never seen. And so that's why I bring up the fugitive doctor from the alternate timeline. I bring up the war doctor from the other alternate timeline. You know, people have speculated about where Pellia comes from, how long she's been around, who she knows, all of that kind of stuff. So I see no reason why she can't know one of these other doctors whose companions you. Know she was. She was a roadie for what the Grateful. Dead, The Dead? I mean, what hasn't she I know? I know? And was she was she drunken that scene, because she seemed like she was definitely enjoying something.

27:38 I kind of always half wonder if Pellia is just constantly drunk, she. Was stoned or something. I don't know. It's it's hilarious and I love I have some to love her. Didn't like her at first, but now I just yeah. Well I really want to hear an in like a modern view with Carol Kane and just see if she really just talks like that. Now, I'm not really I don't know. That's a good question. Well, I like her a lot now because we see less of her, you see more of Scottie, and the less we see her, they give her more impactful lines that that stick in your head than just mumbling like she did before. So yeah, yeah, I'm starting starting to like her more of the less we see her. So does anybody want to add have any anything to add to her? Knowing Doctor Who?

28:35 I just say absolutely, yeah, yeah. I mean I I only know Jody Whitaker and so obviously we didn't see her on that series, so I can't really say anything about Doctor Who because I don't know. But Paul, Paul's a huge Doctor Who connoisseur, right, Paul. I'm from the old Tom Baker era, right, So I know that. But but yeah, I'm happy to move on from anything Pelly related. Am I the only one who heard the Pelly ir related Starfleet Academy news? Did anyone else hear that? Or Am I the only one who heard that? I haven't heard, Yeah, the only one. I'm breaking a story on the air right now. But you know, Holly Hunter is like the head of Starfleet Academy right.

29:27 Right, acknowledge with verbal that's what they're saying. Yeah, okay, yes, yes, apparently her. Characters half Lanthonite is what they're saying, which I just found out about. So there could be weirdness, but that's a confirmed rumors, not really confirm fact. So there you go. So what if she's the daughter of Doctor Who and pell cousin. Maybe she's hashed from a gorn a from betel n Wheel number that's what I was hoping. Really, the words were literally trying to escape my mouth.

30:17 Syebok brought the Goran egg. There there you go. All right. So that's our Pellia Doctor Who discussion, with a little bit of Startrek five thrown in there just for some flavor. And as you guys know, season three just wrapped up, and there's been a lot of talk about season three, so we have a pole question here. But before we get to the pole question, it has been a very very long time since season one and season two, so I've asked David to put together a little reminder of what season one was all about, so for us that don't remember. So, David, you want to roll the tape for season one?

31:05 Yep, I do. Hi, right, interrupt. This is your captain, our Russia, to chart the stars, push the boundaries of what is known, what is.

31:49 Possible standing on the surface of a comet. I love this shop, these people, this crew. I believe we can do anything. We want to seek out new life, go where the aliens are. Your presence is bloasphemy. Let's talk about this. Find some comfortable I think that went well. Perhaps we should kiss. That seems logical.

32:31 Maybe we don't touch anything else, just a suggestion. The whole future hangs in the balance. No one can know the future. One can only follow one's instincts. Do the best to start with our ability to work together. That's our greatest track. Let's show them what you got? All right? So that was the original trailer for season one of Strange New Worlds, many many, many moons ago.

33:12 And before we move on, I wanted to ask my trucks Berts, what was one of your favorite episodes from season one? Paul, Oh, gosh, season one A well, and that was a long time ago. Yeah, it was. I would say probably for me, the one that it sticks out the most. I think I really liked that season one finale quality of mercy. I thought that was great. I thought that held up really really well. How about you, Eric, I don't hear Eric. We lost Eric?

33:54 Oh sorry about that. I like. For me, Strange New Worlds has one of the best first episodes out there. I really really liked the opening episode of the entire series. Thought it was super star Turkey. I agree completely that that was That was one of the when when he turns, says hi and there's the enterprise outside the window. I just that was a great way to open up the series. How about you v season. One, because it's been a while since I watched, I can't remember. Is those old Scientists? Is that from season one? Or is it two? Season ye? Season two? Okay, all right, well I'll agree that opening one was just epic. That's my answer.

34:40 Yeah, let's see, we've got so just to refresh people's memories. So here are the titles from season one. Strange New Worlds is the First One. Episode two is Children of the Comet, Episode three is Ghost of Aliria. Episode four is Momento Moury. Episode five is spock Amook. Episode six is lift Us Where Suffering Cannot Reach. That one that was a child, that little kid that got that. That was incredible. Episode seven was the Serene Squall with Captain Angel, and episode eight was the Elysian Kingdom, the one with them Benga's Daughter. Episode nine was All Those Who Wander, and episode ten was a Quality of Mercy.

35:24 Okay, I'll change my answer to the Elysium Kingdom because that was just beautifully done. Well how about you, David? Season one, Well, now here in all those episode I do now remember, the Quality of Mochi was actually my favorite one out of all of them. I'm assuming that was the one where it was an alternate universe and the Mulant kind of blew up the Starberry. That's one I was thinking of. I think, so, yeah, where Captain Kirk takes the all the ships. Something, Yeah, exactly, Yeah, I think that one would probably my favorite. I actually like how they did the tear wesh An honor for that particular role, so that would pretty good.

36:11 And that's that's the episode where we find out that Pike cannot sidestep his destiny because Spark will end up in a bad place. That's when, Yeah, that's when Pike has to accept it, which he'd wrestled with all season. So that that was a really good one. All right. So that's our season one picks. David, you want to roll the tape for season two? Someone said space is dark and cold. Our job is to bring light, bring warmth, bring life to wherever we go.

36:54 Uh oh, you're gonna start the engine sometimes sooner, Dorry. I did this one hundred times during the war. It's like riding a bike. A sense of tension, the feeling that something's in the air. My God, our job puts us up against death. We might not like it, but we do have to face it.

37:44 Hold on your saddles. We are excumegrass. It's easy to forget how awesome that is. Most I have this crazy theory. I love a crazy theory. I do. You know the odds of all of us being here at this time? It's improbable, Yet here we are together. Surprise, Live, long and prospered.

38:40 Mister also live and. All right. So that was season two, Eric, What do we have? In season two? We had episode one, the Broken Circle, which is the one where Newnians seeing compel Spot to disobey orders and take the US enterprise. We've got ad Astra per Aspera is episode two. It's a number one episode. Episode three is Tomorrow, Tomorrow and Tomorrow. The time travel episode. Episode four is among the Lotus Eaters. Episode five is Charades, the shuttle accident that leads to spots DNA being removed.

39:21 It's the Weird Human episode. Episode six is lost in Translation where Uhura does the translating. Episode seven is Those Old Scientists. Our crossover episode. Episode eight is Under the Cloak of War. We're piking the crew. Welcome m. Kling on Defector board the Enterprise. Episode nine is Subspace Rhapsody, and episode ten is Hegemony Part one. Wow, a lot of good ones there, Paul. What do you think about season two? What's your favorite moments? What's your favorite audio? Man audio? Okay, yeah, okay, great second Season two is my favorite season. I mean those are there's only one bad episode in that whole list, right, So my favorite, I think is gonna be just because gosh, it's tough. I mean, it's for me. I can't just pick one. Because for me it's Those Old Scientists and Subspace Rhapsody. I mean to me that those two I cannot separate one being better than the other. That's the show swinging for the fences and really getting it right both times. You know, daring to be different and being really well written at the same time. I love those two episodes so much, how about you, Eric.

40:31 I mean, I can't disagree. Both of those episodes are really good. I think I'd tend towards the Subspace Rhapsody just because I'm more of a musical guy. But since Paul's already voted for those, I'm going to go for Under the Cloak of War because I thought that was also very excellent episode. I love the whole battle that em Benga has with himself and the fact that at the end of the episode we don't really know what happened. I mean, we find out in season three, but just just a great episode. Well, Paul took my first two choices. Eric took my first choice. I'm gonna go different. I'm gonna go with the Broken Circle just because I loved the diversity of Klingons in that episode, that there was a lot of really cool Klingons in there, and so I'm gonna go with Broken Circle. Although I hated the idea of of Bohemian Rhapsody when they announced it, I just couldn't stand it.

41:24 Said it was gonna suck, and I was so wrong because it turned out to be I think one of the best episodes one of my and the dancing singing Klingons at the end was hor playing General Karkak was phenomenal. Uh so, yeah, that that would be my choice. How about you, V Well, I'm gonna go with Paul for those old clientists because I love Loward Deck and the fact that Jack Quaid and Tony Newston look like so much like their animated characters, and he did the he Jack Quaide even did that section thirty one walk in real life, which is not easy to do. That cracked me up. And then uh the uh say Poe Bohemian Rhapsody. Yeah, like that one too, Subspace Rhapsody because seeing Celia Rose Gooding Akahura talk about that at the con and how much she enjoyed it because she is all about singing and so that was her like top favorite episode to film. And then when somebody asked her if they were gonna there would be more singing, she said she couldn't either confirm nor deny, So who knows.

42:43 I'm assuming the Muppet episode, I don't know. I'm looking forward to that because I love Mumps. I love Muppets. I love muppets. So all right, David, So that that swings it around to you. Season two. Yeah, it's hard to decide whatever episode this guy would be and probably would be my favorite, but other than that, I actually have to say the old Scientist would probably reach my top tier. All right, So there you have it, guys. That's the truck Spurts picks, which leaves us with only one season left. Take someone said, space is dark, I'm cold. Our job is to bring light, bring warmth, bring life to wherever we go.

43:37 Is this a hidden situation? That's whatever kind of a mature we want it to be. This crew is a. Team, the finest Starkling has to offer. It's possible they don't know about us. They know about us. Evil in this universe. The sure is there is good. The choices you make in that share, they are yours to make and yours to live with. We await your orders. Certain you don't trust me with your best friend, You don't trust me with your baby brother. It's madness.

44:19 You're just not this invasion. Prepare all weapons. We're going to find our way out of this together. It's one of those who we get it done. Rate or don't blow ourselves up on the wail. I like those odds. We'll just turn it off before we blow up. Give me five now down low? Why would you do that? Because you are too slow? I have it. That was season three, Paul. What do you think about season three?

45:09 What's your favorite in New York? Why don't you tell us the episode? Oh? Sorry, yeah, I episode one, hed Gemony Part two, the second half of that last episode last season. Then we've got Wedding Bell Blues, Shuttle to Can four, the Zombie, the episode a Space Adventure Hour, the Clue episode through the Lens of Time, The Salot who Ate Its Tail? What is Starfleet? Four? And a half fulcans Terrarium, And of course tonight we're reviewing New Life and New Civilizations. Go for Paul. Yeah, I've got a huge fan of this season. I think there's a lot of missteps and a very clunky bunch of episodes, but there are some standouts that are really good, and I'm giving that episode number six, the Sealot who Ate Its Tail? That's really strong, tight, engaging, well written, and it makes you want a lot more of.

46:05 Paul Wesley and the. Original series characters in a new form reinvented for him, which I think we were skeptical about. But that's a good episode. I think that one bears up to repeat viewing a lot of these do. All right, how about you Eric? Season three? Yeah? I mean this season definitely reads as a let's try something different every episode and see what happens kind of season. I'll say that I really dug episode nine Terrarium, the Erica Ortega's episode. It had kind of a slow pace, but it had high stakes. I know some people felt like they had kind of seen that before and drew a lot of similarities to movies like Enemy Mine and that sort of stuff, but it felt fresh enough to me, and I love me some Erica Ortegas, so I'll pick that one as my favorite.

46:56 How about u V? What do you think? Just because it made me laugh and I watched it four times? Four and a half Vulcans just Pat and the Ofwald as the Vulcan Doug. I don't care if it was dopey and it wasn't star treky enough for me. It was that it made me laugh in a time where I desperately needed to laugh. So I'll go with that one, all right. How about you, David. Yeah, I would almost have to agree with Paul there that Shalahu aged tail putting back to your original characters, just a feel of Die Trek, how they started to adventure together. I think probably the strongest episode.

47:39 I would agree completely that was a great one. But I have to I have to go with the Klingon zombie episode because Bitha was so awesome. I think that she was an incredible Klingon. And why am I bringing that up because she's going to be on the podcast, So yeah, what is soccer? Yeah, I really enjoy her version of a Klingon, and so I'm going to go with that episode. So that wraps up my truck Spurts and the three seasons of Star Trek. So that brings us around to the question Eric, Actually there was a question. Here was that was all preamble to a question which was, of course, we asked our Facebook group of supporters which one was your favorite season of Strange New Worlds. Forty four percent said season one, thirty three said season two, and only twenty three percent of our responders said that season three was their favorite season.

48:38 Yeah, so they're in order. Season one was the best, Season two was Okay, season three was the worst. I mean, that's a bad trajectory. With two more seasons on the dock had here, So hopefully we see a little bit of an inflection point where it starts to come back up in season four. I think I think that one of the big reasons why season three is frowned upon is because, first of all, I think that Subspace Rhapsody and those Old Scientists were so successful that they decided, well, geez, we went with these two episodes that were so off track, let's do that more. And I think they overdid that whole do something different, going a different direction thing, and they did it too much and it just became worn out. Secondly, I think that ten episodes is too short to cram in what they did with character development when you don't get to see the character development at One of the interests I'm talking about is spot. He comes off as a manharn. He just bounces around from you know, he's first he's hanging out with Chapel and the next thing you know, he's got his tongue in on throat and like there's no there's we don't see the relationship they fell up. We don't it's just there. It is here, he is. And I think that ten episodes doesn't give them the time to build up a lot of these plots and a lot of the things that they throw at you. They're just puff here they are, puff here, they are proof here they are, And we don't get

50:10 enough time to see these storylines develop so that they're more meaningful when they happen, or more you know, insightful when they end. So I think the ten episodes hurts them in this case, and I think them trying too many different things and not letting Star Trek be Star Trek also helped add to season three. I was that. You can say anything on this podcast. What do you think? V why? Why do you what do you think about the minions voting? Well, I don't know, because there were more episodes in season three that I that I like that a lot of you all didn't like so much. But I guess I have a different sense of humor because like that whole thing at the end with the four and a half balcons, I just, like I said, it was hilarious, and I don't know, it's I'm sorry, I have nothing left.

51:19 My brain is dead. So that's cool because I'm sure Paul has a lot. Left take it over for me, please. Paul thoughts on season three mm hm, you know, in general, why the why? Why did the why did the fans vote one two three as the best? That? Okay the worst? I think, right, it was very exciting when the show first came on the air, right there was it was a really new, you know, be invigorated old school star trek. So yeah, it got some big hits for for the first season. I think at an ill people having that fondness for remembering seeing it for the first time.

52:03 Like Eric was talking about the. Pilot, right, really solid. But if you look at the episodes and break them down, right, I think season two is easily the strongest, you know, easily. I mean it's just full of hitters all the way. I'm much better written. I don't think they need more episodes. I don't think that does anybody any favors unless they're really really good episodes. I mean, I think we saw in this say lot that ate its tail. You can have great character development in one episode, which they did for Kirk, right, he had a whole character arc in that episode. Right. It's just you need better writing and less focus on gimmicks and you'll do fine. But they lost track of that in season three and the writing just went. That's the reason that it's not as good. I don't fault the cast at all, but the writing's been really subpar.

52:53 All right, how about you, David, We'll save Eric for a last because I see chopping at the bit over there, So yeah. I have to agree with Paul. However, I would have to say that it would have been nice to have more episodes like you were saying, gym for character development. I would have actually liked to see them go back to the original like TNG Voyager and although like having twenty some episodes or so, and you know, Star Trek is all about you know, unity and fun and people getting together and making life better for everybody to show to me, I'm like, yeah, they could have totally made a lot of episodes that centered around that, And to me, I'm just like, I want more out of Strangey World.

53:43 I want this to become something that it is like going to spin off into the TS era because you know, we all know pikerd before Cook, so it's like it's cool how they're bringing up scene together. But since we already know that it's canceled in the fifth season, and it's like, what seasons ago, that's only twenty episodes or is it sixteen? Because I think had six. So yeah, it's like, oh man, were they gonna what are they gonna do? Are they just going to make the new spin off of cook series only four episodes long to kind of like tie in Suasion five? I don't know, but yeah, to me, I think season two would definitely wanted a better storytelling out of all the Shoesion chuffar, and who knows season four might be better? Oh five might be the great I.

54:34 Thought that I saw the something semi intelligent to say, and it's something that Celia said at the con. And I can't remember which season. Maybe it was season three because remember didn't we have a writer strike in there somewhere where? That might that was between two and three, which is why three was so long. Yeah, and there might have been some sort of issues with good writing. I don't know if that had anything to do with it, but that's just what I thought of. Well, Eric, after these intelligent addition, Jim, what are your thoughts?

55:28 No, I mean, I you know, I agree with a lot of things that are being said, Like, I personally think the ten episode season is fine. You know, you take any any season of any twenty six episode star Trek and there it's thirty percent stinkers, right, Like, so I don't need thirty percent stinkers. I got a lot of TV I want to watch right now. I don't need to spend time watching stinkers. So ten episodes is great for me. And I can't disagree with anything Paul said. I just think that, like good writing trumps all other things, whether it's gimmicks or whether it's cool graphics or any of that kind of stuff. So and to me, also agreeing with Paul, to me, season two had the best writing.

56:08 I mean, season one had an amazing beginning. It had a couple of lulls in the middle, but we were kind of learning all of our characters along the way. And I now look back to season one and I review those episodes, and they're not quite as good as I remember them being, simply because now I know the characters and I'm not I don't have that kind of novelty factor anymore. So yeah, I you know, what I'm hoping is that they do more of this kind of swing for the fences thing, and that they stick the landing like they did in season two with those couple of episodes that we all totally dug on. I do know that sometimes Star Trek kind of crashes and burns at the end of the end of a series. I'm you know, Star Trek Enterprise, I'm looking at you. So I'm really hoping that that doesn't doesn't happen here. But you know, we've got a great cast and they're going to act the hell out of anything that they're given to do, so one way or another, I really respect what they're doing. And asia, you know, assuming that we have do avoid writer strikes and and that kind of stuff going forward, I've got a lot of optimism that seasons four and five will be pretty good.

57:15 That wraps up. Paul wanted to say something I was just going to say. I had a thought about why I think maybe the numbers are a little higher for season one, right, is because season one, right, we had Hammer, and everybody loved Hammer, right, I mean, he's really connected to season one, right, and Pellia I think not so much, And so I think that people maybe missed Hammer a little bit, And I think that maybe is why. There's a little bit more. Of that fondness for season one. Does that you know? Does that clock for anybody? Yeah? Favorite character and then they. Killed and I think that there's Pellia has generally had a pretty lukewarm exception, you know, I mean generally speaking people and bananas when we learned that she was going to be on the show. Rightfully, so she's a very talented person. But her character, aside from those moments where she's like either providing comedic relief or acting as a mentor to Scottie, she hasn't brought a lot of other stuff to the game in my opinion.

58:18 Well, she is from Burlington, Vermont, so that's Applaus. People from that town are weird. Man. It's in the water. It's got to be the water. They just they just know. They just smoke pot and eat ice cream. They know they have, don't. They produce maple. Syrup up there, and cheese, lots and lots of cheese. Maple syrup and cheese and pots. And cheese, an ice cream. An ice cream, Well you get the munchies you gotta have. That's actually not a bad place to live. Ice c. Ben and Jerry's it may start on that.

59:03 So that was that was a rather long poll segment, but I think we had fun and we covered it. So this is a part of the show where we would do our cadet training with Charles who is not with us. So I'm going to attempt to do cadet training. I'm going to give it my all. I'm going to do my best. But Charles has big shoes to fill, but I'm gonna I'm going to try. So this is the cadet training for new life and new civilizations. We don't we only have well, we don't have a lot. So the first one is the TNG episode Devil's Due from season four, episode thirteen, which featured a god type being. Now wait a minute, if we're going to talk about god type beings, you know where we got to go.

59:47 But we're not going to go there, all right. So that that's the first that's the first one that up Paul throws on there. But again, if we're going to talk god beings, you guys know where I'm going, all right. The second one he on his list is a TS episode where no man has gone before season one episode three. Gary Mitchell has glowing eyes just as Captain Betel did okay. Cool. We also have the Discovery through the Valley of the Shadows season two, episode twelve, where Pike sees his future. Now that's a really good connection to this episode and the last on our Cadet Training. It start took four, Kirk, don't call me armir. You used to call me Jim.

1:00:30 Don't you remember Jim. Yes, your name is Jim. My name is Jim. We're a bunch of gyms. I remember that very well. And last on the list is the TNG episode The Inner Light, which I thought of immediately when I saw this episode, and that's season five, episode twenty five of TNG. And that wraps up our Cadet training. Thank you, Charles, And that brings us down to our fan scores for this episod. So again, you guys can head over to Truck Talking and Beyond and tell us what you thought about the episode. And I'm going to turn this one on over to Eric. All right, we always ask our fans on a scale of one to ten, how'd you like this week's episode?

1:01:15 Kristin Lowe Hail said ten. Tied up some loose ends and started to put together future scenarios. I was pretty amazed at that time, out of time sequence, creative and emotional writing. Thanks Kristin. Raphael Recto said ten plus plus. Rafael. I'd love to give you more than ten, but we have to round down, so that's a ten from you, Sir Moz. Chris Christalis also gave it a ten, whereas Chad Smith said seven. In general, it was really good, but I felt it might have been better as a two part episode. There was definitely some aspects that the episode could have done without. Interesting Chad, wonder what those are for you. Top fan Stephen Stevo Coutel Is your middle name really? Steve O Dude said excellent, double exclamation point ten, Thanks Steven. Cindy Lavassour said best Star Trek series ever ten. Nicole Cozinat Couzeneki also gave it a ten.

1:02:17 Jan Lee Greville also gave it a ten. Cried at the end. Tigue O'Neil said, I give the finale a nine point five and Paul bev for me ten out of ten. To see the beginnings of the Kirk and Spock union, the sad but hopeful future ending melted this old Trekky's heart and brought a tear to my eyes, so for me, loved it double vulcan hands sign. Bonus comments that we also got that did not include scores that we wanted to talk about include top fan Gerald Ebinc who said, reminded me of TNG the Inner Light which still tears welling, which still gets tears welling up the episode two loved it DS nine and the visitor also get me choked up, can't watch it. Adam Savage said, hits right in the feelings, so glad it wasn't a cliffhanger.

1:03:11 It wrapped the season up perfectly, and Larry Preuittt said best episode of all three seasons, hands down. That is what Trek was meant to be. So you might have noticed me repeating the word ten an awful lot during our fans scores this week. We have a fan score this week, guys, of nine point six, which I think rivals just about any other fans score that we've ever had on just about any show. So there you go. The salot who ate its tail got a fan score from the host, but we've never had one this season that was that high from the fans. Well, there you have it, So nine point six for the fans. Paul you want to give us a quick rundown and share your thoughts.

1:03:54 Sure, okay, Jins, ladies, people, everyone, let's do it. So we're talking here about the Street Your World season three finale, New Life and New Civilizations, and what we have here is essentially a bit of a sequel episode to a couple of earlier episodes that we had this season, most principally through the Lens of Time, which was episode number five of this season, and things surprisingly reconnect with that episode here because we have an evil threat resurfacing, an ancient evil alien force, the Vesda, not to be confused with the Vespa, which is an Italian motor scooter, but I digress and the Vesda are threatening the galaxy right, and Pike faces a difficult decision to stop spreading this evil, which becomes a very sizeable Paul Darness again, No, no.

1:04:56 Audio, I can't. I can't hear Paul at all. Telling it out a little bit. I think the upload would have been fine. But yeah, let's just let's just do a real quick let's vamp for thirty seconds while Paul disconnects and reconnects his connection. I think it'll be okay. I think it'll be just disconnect and reconnect. So I was really surprised at the you know, the fan reaction to this episode. It was, you know, fans really loved it, they really really enjoyed it. And I there was you know, the one guy a seven, you got nine point five. A lot of people that didn't leave a score just said I loved that. It was great, it was fun and made me cry and it wasn't a cliffhanger.

1:05:43 I wouldn't know if that Adam Savage is that the same Adam Savage that was on MythBusters, because I'm curious. I don't know, because that would be really cool, right, that sounds great? And continuing yepically, this is a big watershed reconnection for Captain Batel. Okay, and initially, you know, we found out this whole Gorn thing, right, and if my notes are correct, Buttell is revealed to have this kind of genetic response to the VESDA, right due to her genetics and through a whole lot of crazy expedition and a something and what if thinking. There's a lot of what if thinking without any real evidence in this episode, right, she realizes that she's supposed to be destined to be the next in line of a being called the Beholder, right, and the beholder is able to somehow put the VESDA in check and keep them from invading our universe. Short long story short, essentially right, and so as part of this transformation with her powers, Batel is able to project this vision of a happy domestic life life that she and Pike craved, including like projecting to the future where they're married, where they have.

1:07:06 Children, children getting married, all this stuff like that, And it kind of walks up against the idea of challenging the idea of a predetermined path for Pike. It is an open narrative. We don't know really how that'll get itself sorted out in the future. It does provide a bit more hope over the origin adherence to the cannon that we've seen with Pike's future, so we don't really know that. Basically, she's going to sacrifice herself is what Bettel is coming to talk about, right, She's going to sacrifice herself and assume this mantle of the Beholder to and giving up any chance of reality for a happy future with Pike. Instead, she gives him a sort of lasting taste mentally of what that would be like, which was totally the inner like, I mean totally. A lot of people are seeing like, oh, it's like the inner light, isn't that great? I had a different reaction to that, And I don't know if he wanted to get into my thoughts. Maybe I'll let everyone else talk first and I can. I can happily come back later and express a bit more about what I thought of this episode.

1:08:18 But that's basically in a nutshell that I miss anything important. Oh, I mean, of course, our our friend Chris came back from the previous episode and some gamble. I think he's an ensign, right, who we realize is you know, Transform is being you know, the kind of evil mask wearing still sightless version of one of the Vesda's. They're Chief VESDA Invader, if you will. So we've got that surprise transporter buffer resurrection of ensign gamble there early on. Right, That's how I would describe it. Where okay, great, but so it was a bit of a surprise, you know, and it shows you why actors like Chris have to have an NDA when this is still going on, right, But so a bit of a surprise there. But I think that basically bye bye Captain Battel for future episodes.

1:09:07 I don't think we'll be seeing her again? Is that the Is that the finale for a battel that we would have liked to have seen. I don't know. How will people talk about this episode and its relationship to the Inner Light. I don't know. I guess that I'll have thoughts later, happy to share them if asked. But in the meantime, why don't we rotate through some tree experts? Uncle Jim? All right, why don't we start off with the what are your thoughts on? That? Was? That was really a powerful episode. I think the thing that got me was how she projected their potential or their future. And it was interesting with that they had somebody always knocking at the door, and I didn't quite really understand because I guess that was ultimately the Vesda knocking at the door to call her to her ultimate future. But just that whole thing where they have the daughter that when I had the dog, the hotter, they grow old together, that just that just I immediately thought of the Inner Light too, and I know that in the PMG that really haunted the card for a while.

1:10:29 But what I really got from the tell was how she realized she was meant for something different and she didn't fit. She never felt like the being the ships captain was a fit. And then that brand new job of being what was it the attorney general or whatever it was, the that she didn't So that wasn't that wasn't what she was meant to do either. And while I've never had anything that lofty, and my life never been a Starship captain, but I've been in places where I thought I was where I was supposed to be and I wasn't. So I don't know that just that really spoke to me. But yeah, it was, it was.

1:11:16 It was great. I would I would definitely go along with the minions and say that was that was a solid ten, you know. V I was as I was watching and I was thinking of the Paul McCartney song let Him in. The Door. Yeah, yeah, ringing the Ball. It reminded me of that song where he's opened and opened the door and let in Uncle Tom and let in all your friends from the past. That's what I thought of when I saw that. I love that song. Yeah, I I thought of inter Light, but this was different. At the same time, I thought, you know, inter Light was was uh you know, Captain Picard living this entire life to remember the civilization and it was long gone.

1:12:01 In this particular episode, similar except we all know Pike's where he's going to end up, we know his destiny. They even reference it in the episode when there's a knock on the door and it's cap It's April offering him the job, and he's talking with Pattel and he's like, don't go, because you know what's going to happen if you go, and he says, I have to go, and he goes. But then the next knock on the door is him, and he's alive, and he can't figure out he did everything he's supposed to do, but the bulkhead didn't explode and he's still alive. And so, you know, this was a little bit a play on the inter Light, but a completely different aspect of that, because this was Pike getting a vision of what life could have been, what his destiny might have been. And I also think that it was it was patel Get collecting the strength that she needed to fight the evil based on the love that she had for Pike, and by by showing him that and building up that love and that relationship that gave her the strength to defeat the evil ensign Gamble or Vesna, whatever his name was. Uh, you know, because she said that, you know, the light that she felt in her heart could never be defeated by any darkness.

1:13:23 And then she zapped him into oblivion. So that's the way I looked at that. And uh and again, Paul McCartney kept spinning around in my head it all the time, you know, every time there was a knock on the door. I was like, I kept thinking about that. It was fun. But yeah, I agree. I enjoyed it immensely. I was a bit confused when he wasn't dead. I'm like, wait a minute, are they jumping in the future. What's going on here? And you know, then we we swing around and find out that it was Betel's beyond beholder or beyond her superpowers that were all allowing her to give Pike this this gift that she gave him. So I enjoyed it immensely. And you know, I did think it was strange though, that there that their daughter married uh, April's son. I'm like, okay, I suppose that's cool. Keep it in the family. But and he had a dog.

1:14:23 I love the fact that he had a dog. You know, I have a dog ward layer go anyway, So I overall, I enjoyed it. I'm with dominions and you know, yeah, I'm gonna go with a ten on this one. I really really enjoyed it. And also did it feel like an ending to you guys? It kind of felt like like to me like they were wrapping the whole thing up every you know, it was done, We're moving on. But correct me if I'm wrong, But didn't the Enterprise go on a five year mission with Captain Pike before he turns the Enterprise over to Kirk? If my Star for History.

1:15:03 Is correct, that's I think that's why we have five seasons. Right, They're gonna they're gonna go on that last five year mission. Then he's gonna come back, have the accident, and Kirk gets the Enterprise. That's the way I remembered it. I I haven't gone back and revisited it, but I think that's the way it happens. So this this five year mission is exactly where they're going and we know exactly how it's going to end. So that's that's my take on it. How about you? Eric uh Okay, uh, well, I thought the episode like started. I liked the beginning of it. I like the whole, Like Battel comes back and you know, Pike plans this surprise party for her and that kind of stuff. One thing I wonder, like Insineration, they were always drinking synth the hole, right, but on Strange New Worlds they're always drinking wine. So if like people on the Early Enterprise are just a bunch of drugs or what, I don't I don't feel.

1:16:02 Like anybody's drinking syntho hall yet. Yeah. Well, I mean, and in some ways it is like it kind of makes sense, right because in that very early episode of Neck of Ts, we have oh my gosh, I just lost his name, the original original doctor who has the case with like whiskey in it that he opens up, Doctor Boyd. Doctor Boyd. Yeah. Yeah, so that you know, there is that legacy of tos drinking real alcohol instead of syntho hall. But anyway, okay, so it started. It started pretty good. You know. I liked the kind of visuals and this idea that there's a culture that's worshiping the the VESDA. They have these really cool like you know, Pyramidal two pyramids kind of together type buildings, which really reminded me. I don't know if anybody else has read the Broken Earth trilogy by NK. Gemison, one of the best science fiction trilogies ever written. They definitely remind me of the Obelisks from that series, and it was cool that you you know, transported up to the building to get to the upper levels.

1:17:14 But it was kind of like that whole culture sort of had a cool factor to me that was very limited, and it didn't really get me interested. We don't really know anything about them. It's like they introduced this new, strange, new world, right, But aside from the fact that they worshiped the Vesda and if Gamble asked them to, they'll all poke their own eyes. Oh yeah, uh, that's super gross, we didn't really learn anything about them, and it just made them uninteresting to me, to tell you the truth. Then we kind of moved on and we had the you know, the transporter recreation of Gamble. They did it from inside the transporter and then they send us along these like space lay lines that of course, uh, you know, Kirk's brother knows all about because he's a hoodoo guy, I guess, or something. I don't even know that that whole thing was kind of like, oh my god, you're just making shit up right now to try and make your story fit in what's the way right now? Yeah, I mean it really just was. It felt a little arbitrary to me. I mean, I did like that they brought Gamble back, just because I really like that actor and I liked his I loved his character and was absolutely heartbroken when they killed him off, and so I was like, Okay, maybe I'll do something really cool with him.

1:18:34 Well it turns out that not he He doesn't just get to die twice or once on this series. He gets to die twice on this series. So I don't know. I don't think I think Ensign Gamble deserved better than two deaths in season three personally, okay, regarding Betel's. So there's then so then we move on, and then there's like Battel in the sick bay and her eyes start glowing, and everybody is talking about Gary Mitchell and the glowing eyes. But the very first thing I thought of was like, Okay, the Gorn from Arena actually has the rainbow eyes, right, And so I almost wondered if they might make a connection from Battel to the Gorn from arena through the rainbow eye connection. I don't know anyway, Yeah, I yeah, exactly, the rainbow connection. That was the first thing I thought of when I saw her little her little rainbow eyes there, which then quickly faded, which then came back when she battled Gamble. I have to tell you, I had to watch this episode at least twice to even understand what the hell is happening to be. At the end of the first time my wife and I watched it, we were both kind of like, okay, that episode was you know about the number I will give you at the end of this, but I still don't really understand what happened For like fifty percent of it. It was all that.

1:20:03 The weakest part of this episode for me was the explanation, which I still don't even understand a little bit, about how she somehow has all the DNA of all the races who have ever fought evil in the galaxy. I mean, come on, you guys, like that's a completely ridiculous premise. It has nothing to do with her being gorn. We have no resolution at all of her having this Gorn DNA at the end of this season, It's like the whole Battel becomes a gorn thing is just a ball that has been dropped. The entire I keep talking about it, how I wanted her to have a tail and like have all this cool stuff and go to be your roommates with you know, the Gordon lady from last episode.

1:20:46 But like, I just feel completely unsatisfied with the Betel story in general, and the explanation of her having all the DNA of all the people who have ever fought evil just doesn't make any sense to me. I also don't understand really the connection of em Benga and Gamble. I mean, I guess if Gamble was the one who made the little doorway, then Gamble would have known that em Benga had Swahili background, which is why he would have put Swahili writing on there, and the thing would have responded to em Benga's face. But I also got the sense that they were trying to say that this thing was there even before Gamble showed up, like it was a relic of this civilization. Anyway, the whole em Benga connection also didn't make any sense to me at all.

1:21:39 The Vulcan mind meld okay, I mean nice connection point. I guess between Kirk ands Bock. It was kind of fun. It was Kitschi to me, oh my god, we need to and now actually we know that a starship can put out a phaser beam that puts out as much energy as half of a sun. Like I think that was a scale that I didn't understand. I mean, you're talking about like that's a lot. Of energy, that more energy. Than I would have ever thought. I mean not really, because then I think of all these things. They're like, Okay, the only way we can destroy this is shoot it into the sun, and I'm like, no, all you got to do is shoot it with two phaser beams and its toast right, that's as much energy as the Sun puts out. So that the scale there, to me was it feels off. I mean, I understand exoduels because I'm kind of nerdy in that way. It's like the whole the whole scale of that. Yeah, I don't I don't think ultimately, Paul, I don't think I bought it. To tell you the truth, I don't think that a starship, a single starship, even with dilethium crystals, could put out half the energy of a sun regarding the inner light stuff.

1:22:53 You know, it's funny. I'm getting it now that that's where people went with that. But the first thing I thought of was generations and the Nexus because that's where Kirk lives the life that he didn't live, and you know, also Picard lives the life that he didn't live in there. So I thought it was much more necstasy than you don't. Even think about that. Yeah, I still hate Corby, worst character ever on this show. They should just get rid of him. He's just I mean, I'm just I'm He's just a. Yuts and he doesn't provide any like what is she even? I mean, he's got like a nice kind of like half beard thing going on, and he's a little cute, but like, what does she really seeing this?

1:23:43 Sorry that. Yeah, I mean he wears a cool like bomber jacket things, so he's got a nice look to him, but he just isn't so I can't get into him. And then the last thing I'll say is I just love that they did kind of end this episode with Spock and Kirk playing three D chess. I thought that was a nice little connection to to t O s so, so overall, I was fairly disappointed with a lot of aspects of this episode, but then there were some like little moments where I was like, Okay, that's really cool. Oh I like that little part there. So I think I didn't hate this more than I hated some other episodes this season. So maybe I will give this one a six. I'll give it a six. That feels right to me.

1:24:30 All Right, David, what do you think? You said almost everything that I wanted too much? Sorry, I just like I just kind of like go through the episode in my head and I'm like, oh, there's this Perton. I'm just saying, I totally agree with everything you said. The sun, the gon, rainbow eyes, this little guy. I was so hoping that would have been a thing. Oh man, that thing were just totally blown out of the water. I was so disappointed in this episode, but no, I totally agree with you a lot of the different things, the little details, and yes, the nextus. That was the first thing I thought of when I saw I was like, are they going to be bringing Captain Picard or Picard and Piccard and Coke into the thing, And so I was like getting outcited. And then it turned out to be a dream. I was like, Okay, yeah, that didn't really work for me too much. But I think I said.

1:25:31 That at the beginning of that sequence, David, when I was watching with my wife, I was like, is this going to turn out to all be a dream? Seems like yep. I I honestly thought that the goin story fell flat in this whole build up of Patel because I thought it intwigged me that Gamble and Battel had that fight in Chick Bay a couple episodes back, but they didn't go anywhere with it afterwards, and it was just like, what were they gonna do? So this came up, and so apparently she's supposed to be a guardian and I'm like, all right, well, I guess that kind of clears the way of what was Pike's girlfriend in the original Cage episode with that Vivian. Okay, yeah, I guess that just like paved a way for him to have another girlfriend, I guess, But I mean they could have done the exact same thing with Petl becoming that going right, So I was just like, oh, well, I was kind of disappointed in this episode, but yeah, there was a there was a lot of things that I liked, Like Eric pointed out the little details of the chessboard at the end, and I didn't quite understand the whole idea where Fock and Cook did that whole mind meld thing. And I'm like, in a way, yes, that brings them closer together, but

1:27:04 they now know things that he'd done on Hawaiian, So I'm like, okay, there's a story on his own right there. So it's just I don't know. They threw in a. Lot of different bits and pieces that just kind of which for fan service in a way for me. But it was good, but there's just a lot of different things that just fell flat. And putting two phases together, they're saying they have enough firepower to blow up a planet. Now it's like what, So I don't know to me, I I but yeah, I do agree with well a lot with Eric said, And I did get pretty disappointed in this particular episode. So I'm probably gonna just to be honest, I'm gonna be giving it a five. Yeah, Paul, I guess Paul's next.

1:27:53 I think do we lose Uncle Jim? Hear his dog? O? Oh okay, now we're getting we're getting dog that's. Always always very professional, professional. Well can you hear me? All right? Honest to god? With the dog. I got to really put myself right smack dad with Eric and David, Okay, because I think you guys made a lot of my points. I did not find this to be a satisfying finale at all. I think a lot of my problems are the fact, and I would say a lot of these same things back in what is it through the lens of time or whatever we first saw these vesna a few you know, weeks ago or whatever the setup episode. This show has become way too much space fantasy and not science fiction.

1:28:55 Right. This is the same problem I had with the the you know, the comedic Bulkan episode a couple of weeks ago. Right, It's just nonsense, right, And it's like the fact that you would suddenly all your behaviors and your hair and your costumes all change because of a DNA thing with an injection. It's just ridiculous. It's just no. The power of a sun from a starship. I mean, this is ludicrous. So and there was just absolutely. I really feel for the actors who played Patel because there was just no point in having this old gorn subplot at all. It was such a stretch to connect it to this fantasy adversary nonsense, right, and I would have been so down, you know, with the idea of like literally you know, Reptilian scales Captain Pateel. I mean, I was really hoping we were going in that direction, that they were going to be some payoff for all that we got nothing, So I thought it was really and and for me, I did find the end sequenced well, emotional in places and effective, a bit of a you know, certainly not original, and I was very much interlight generations the whole way. I'm like, this is just something we've seen before to kind of, you know, with a cheap box of Kleenex for people, who are you know going to find that, you know, compelling. But it's certainly not fresh, inventive or adhering the logic at all.

1:30:18 So for me, a really. Major disappointment, but pretty much spot fits right in and with everything else we got in season three, which is overwhelmingly a pretty you know, I think, disappointing season. So I my most generous I can give this a six and certainly not more. If I never see anybody on the show tango again. It'll be too soon. That's just been It's like, say some up season three for me, spock tangling. Okay, that would be what I would say. That's my takeaway from the season. It's just really preposterous. And give us some science fiction again with some better writing and do better friends, because this was not better.

1:31:06 Six all right, Paul, I missed the number you gave us? Was that a five? Six? Six? Got it? All right? I'm running the numbers, Jim. We don't. We don't have Charles with us this week, so Eric is going to step in for Charles. Charles gave it an eight point five. Oh Charles getting eight point okay, then let me recalculate here. So we got one of these, one of these, one of these, one of these, one of these, and one of these and divide that by six. Okay. That gives us a Treuxsport score of seven point six this week?

1:31:46 Six? Did did nobody? Did? Am I the only one that thought of Cybock releasing their pain? Yep? Yeah, I one that thought that? Just me? Okay, I don't know, because I just thought it was a sidebox thing. I don't know, maybe any everything. Anything wrong? She gave it. Right on my microphone. Okay, all right, guys. Well that wraps up our review of New Life and New Civilizations.

1:32:28 And you know what time that means. It's time for our Star Trek birthdays, and that means the birthday song, if I can find it there it is. That was not a clon song. All right, guys. This is a part of the show where we do our Star Trek birthdays and we always start off by remembering those members of our Star Trek family who, sadly enough, are no longer with us, and for that we turned.

1:33:11 To Eric, Yes Jim. This week we have a lot of remembrances. The first is Richard bruce Hyde, the actor who played Lieutenant Kevin Riley in the TOS first season episodes The Naked Time and The Conscience of the King. To well, at least one of those is a great episode, Naked Time is kind of Fun. In nineteen ninety eight, thirty two years after he shot his last scenes for Star Trek, who was briefly reacquainted with the Star Trek franchise when he made an otherwise uncredited appearance as himself in the film portion of the Klingon Encounter Ride at the Las Vegas Star Trek Experience attraction, which I understand was something to behold, although I never actually got to check it out. Richard bruce Hyde's acting career was pretty short.

1:33:58 I was nine TV guests of appearances and that was it back in the late sixties. But I love this quote from him. He said in San Francisco when he decided to end his acting career. He said, I played a hippie and I decided I wanted to be a hippie instead of playing one. I was going to get a Volkswagen bus and a big bag of brown rice and go find God. And that's what I did. Oh that's awesome. Wow, funny story. Though he eventually would go on to earn a PhD in Rhetoric Communications Studies at the University of Southern California and became the chair of the Theater, Film Studies, and Dance departments at Saint Cloud State University.

1:34:40 So that goes to show that you can do Star Trek, be a go be a hippie for a while and then still get your PhD. So I just love that story. Richard bruce Hyde, Happy birthday to you, sir. Happy birthday as well. To Jean Daynarski, the actor who appeared twi in the TOS, first as Ben Childress in the episode MUD's Women and as crow Dooc in the Mark of Gideon. They also appeared once in Star Trek The Next Generation in the episode one one zero zero one zero zero one as Quinteros. Dnarski acted in numerous film and television projects, most notably Steven Spielberg's nineteen seventy one debut thriller Duel and the highly acclaimed nineteen seventy six drama All the Presidents Meant Happy Birthday to Jean Donarski. Happy birthday as well to Kim Hamilton, the actress and writer who played Songy in The Next Generation four season episode Final Mission.

1:35:39 Born in La California, Hamilton started to work as an actress in the nineteen fifties, and her first film was the war drama Something of Value from nineteen fifty seven. She also had a lot of guest appearances on television The Practice, The Client, Law and Order in the Heat of the Night. Are you noticing a theme here? Thinks he got cast on law show, So Happy Birthday to Kim Hamilton lost back in twenty thirteen, at the rif old age of eighty one years old. Happy Birthday as well to John Crawford born Cleave Allan Richardson. He was the film and television actor who played High Commissioner Ferris in the TOS first season episode The Galileo Seven. Crawford made well over two hundred film and television appearances in his career, probably best known for portraying Sheriff Epp Bridges on The Waltons and for playing at major slash Colonel Harry Thompson in the nineteen seventy nine mini series From Here to Eternity. Besides his role on Star Trek, he also guest starred on a whole bunch of television shows, all those ones that you've heard a lot about from the sixties and seventies, The Lone Ranger, Gunsmoke, Twilight Zone, etc.

1:36:47 Among his many featured films, Jason and the Argonaunces included The Besidon Adventure, The Towering Inferno, and The Apple Dumpling Gang Rides. Again, that last one is the one that is not like the Happy to John Crawford, Happy Birthday as well to Roy Brocksmith, the actor who played Syna Kolrami in Next Generation second season episode Pea Performance and Rozka Khn in Deep Space nine's four season episode Indiscretion. Lots of movie appearances to Roy Brocksmith's resume like total Recall, Scrooged Tangoing Cash, more guest appearances in the nineteen eighties on television than you can possibly shake a stick at.

1:37:30 Besides his guest appearances, he was also regular on Picket Fences, where he played Michael Oslow for four years from nineteen ninety two through nineteen ninety six. Happy Birthday to Roy Brocksmith, Happy Birthday to Henry Darrow, the actor who played Admiral Savar in Next Generation's first season episode Conspiracy and Cola Pac in Voyagers second season episodes Tattoo and Basics Part One. In the late sixties, Henry Darrow was the ultimate Latin heart throb on television, the very first Hispanic actor to portray Zorro on television. He was in a bunch of westerns and soap operas along the way being very Sexy.

1:38:11 In nineteen seventy two, he co founded the Screen Actors Guild Ethnic Minority Committee with actors Ricardo Montabon, Carmen Zapata, and Edith Diaz. Happy Birthday to trailblazer Henry Darrow. Happy birthday as well to Morgan Woodward, the actor who played Simon van Gelder in the TOS first season episode Dagger of the Mind and also Captain Tracy in the second season episode The Omega Glory. He broke into television movies this in nineteen fifty six, worked steadily all the way up through the nineties, but he was probably best known for his reoccurring role as Punk Anderson on Dallas. Remember that show. It was like the nighttime soap opera. I watched so much Dallas when I was a kid. My parents were really into it. He was awarded the Golden Boot Award from the Hollywood Motion Picture and Television Fund in August of nineteen eighty eight, and in two thousand and nine he became an inductee into the Hall of Great Western Performers at the National Cowboy and Western Heritage Museum.

1:39:15 That's pretty cool. Happy birthday to Morgan Woodward. We lost him back in twenty nineteen at the Ripe Ripe old age of ninety three years old. Happy birthday as well to Craig Richard Nelson, the actor who played Crag in the Next Duration third season episode A Matter of Perspective, and a Vaskin arbiter in the Voyager four season episode Living Witness, one of my favorite episodes of Voyager. He was frequently cast by Robert Altman in the nineteen seventies, was on a whole bunch of television Back of the Day, The Rookie Santa Barbara, Golden Girls, La Law Dallas, Quantum Leap Murder, she wrote, and they did a couple movies along the way, blood Sport from nineteen seventy three, Honeye Shrunk the Kids, and he was in Blown Away. Craig Richard Nelson, we just lost him back this past March, third of March twenty twenty five, at the age of seventy seven years old. Happy birthday to Craig Richard Nelson and last but not least, on our remembrance this list.

1:40:11 This week we have Larry Dobkin, the Emmy nominated actor, television director and occasional writer and producer who directed the original series first season episode Charlie X. We were just talking about that tonight. Oh no, we were talking about Gary Mitchell. Well, Charlie X is kind of the same thing. Twenty five years later, he guest starred as Hell in the Next Generation four season episode The Minds I. He voiced characters on numerous network television or network radio plays from the nineteen forties through the nineteen sixties, the most notable of which was The Saint, for which he played the title character sidekick cab driver Louis. And if you haven't heard some of those old episodes of The Saint, they're fantastic to listen to. You can find them online.

1:40:56 I've had a number of great movies under his belt, including twelve o'clock High, north By Northwest, The Defiant Ones, and The Ten Commandments. He made the switch to television and start all over the place. Retired from directing all the way back in nineteen eighty five, but continued acting until his death from heart failure in two thousand and two. Larry Dobkin had a long and storied career with lots of stuff going on. You should go check out his IMDb page. Happy Birthday to Larry lost back in two thousand and two at eighty three years old. And that, folks does it for our remembrances this week, So I'm not handing the Candle off to Charles, who would like to take Charles's birthdays this week? How about you? V sure you want to do it?

1:41:36 All right? So we will wish a happy birthday. Two didn't give her birthday. Susan Gibney American actress who was born in Manhattan Beach, California. She played Leah Brom slash Leah Brom the hologram in The Star Trek Next Gen third and fourth season episode odes Booby Trap and the Galaxy Child. And that was really awkward when the real Leah Brahms discovered Jordie's program. Had you saw herself being all, you know, interested in Jeordie and all that. It was very awkward, but wound up being okay. She also appeared as I think it was Captain Benteen in the DS nine fourth season episodes home Front and Paradise Laws. That's when they were dealing with the changelings. She reprised her role as Leah Brahm's voicing an illusory replica of the character in The Star Trek Lower Deck's third season episode Mining the Mind's Mind Is That Three Times Fast? Next we have Tyler Perry born September thirteenth, nineteen sixty nine Award winning playwright, screenwriter, actor, director, and author known for his comic morality plays. Played Admiral Richard Barnett, Starfleet Academy

1:43:14 Commandante in Star Trek two thousand and nine. Next we have Clyde Khosatsu born September thirteenth, nineteen forty eight, actor who played Vice Admiral Nakamura in TG second second season episode The Measure of a Man, All about Data and If he was I Guess Pension in the seventh season episodes Phanfasms and All Good Things. Next we have Christopher Niem born September twelfth, nineteen forty seven and British actor who played Unfirst in Voyager first season episode Heroes and Demon. Later, he portrayed the German general in Enterprise fourth season episode storm Front and Storm Front Part Two. Next is Paul F.

1:44:16 Tompkins September twelfth, nineteen sixty eight American actor, comedian and writer. Oh Okay, That's why I know the name. Okay. Doctor Gabbers Miglimo in Star Trek Lower Decks and he is hilarious Love Doctor Mglimo, where he nukes a replicator and curses at it. Anyway. Next we have Ga sam Du September fifteenth, nineteen ninety one, a Canadian actress who played to Praying in Strange New World. She reprised her role in VFT Holiday Party Next. Christian R. Conrad September seventeenth, nineteen sixty four an actor who portrayed three different roles on Star Trek, h Dunbar in Voyager Futures and Futures and Part two, an alien minor in Voyager Homestead, and Brilgar in ps. Nine The Darkness and the Light Next.

1:45:29 Jane Brook September sixteenth, nineteen sixty She portrayed Admiral Katrina Cornwell in the first and second seasons of Star Trek Discovery. All right, now, onto you, Paul, Thank. You, Charles, I mean thank you V. Sorry, just call me V Charles. Okay, why not? All right? Let me see what I can do here. I have someone trying to get my attention, but I'm gonnay to power through. Okay, Yeah, okay, go for it, buddy, Callum. Keith Rennie is having a birthday September fourteenth. This actor played Rainer and the fifth season of Discovery. Was a very cool character and sci fi fans will recognize Calum Keith Rennie.

1:46:16 From his ongoing turn on the awesome Ronald. Dy Moore series Battlestone in Elected So Say We all but really cool actor. I like Callum Keith Rennie a lot. I think he was a real bright spot of those last seasons of Discovery there. Happy Birthday to Miko Martineau, actress who played young Philippa Georgiou in Star Trek Section thirty one. Yeah, that was the thing, Section thirty one. Happy Birthday to Laura Interval, actress who played Aaron Hanson in Voyager's fifth season episode Dark Frontier and went on to play the Velo in Enterprise second season episode Could Janitor. Happy Birthday goes out to Rosemary Morgan, actors from Los Angeles, who made her television day acting debut playing Pierri in third season episode to Shoot. She's the doctor of original series guest star Julie Cobb, who knew. Happy Birthday goes out to a movie star, luminary Tom Hardy. Okay, we think tend to think of mad Max, Fury Road and things like that.

1:47:16 When we think of Tom Hardy, but oh. No, he is the English actor who played shins On in All kinds of crazy head Shaved Regalia in Star Trek Nemesis. It is hard for me to wrap my head around the fact that that is the same actor. He really made a name for himself though, and really did a lot. But I mean, this is the guy who played Baine in Dark Knight Rises. It blows my mind. Looks like a different human being. So but I love Tom Hardy though, especially as dadical work. Great dude, So keep on rocking, Tom Hardy. Happy Birthday out to Ed Begley Junior, a very cool cat from Los Angeles, also a very passionate environmentalist who played Henry Starling in The Voyager third season episode of Futures and in Futures End Part two. Definitely a man who lives by his ethical creed in his desire to help make the world a better place. So Ed Begley, we salute you, sir. Amazing, amazing legacy. Happy birthday goes out to Discovery star Blue del Barrio, American actor appears in Star Trek Discovery season three and four as Adira Taal. Blue del Barrio is non binary and uses they then pronouns and it's probably had to endure more toxic grief online than perhaps any other Star Trek actor ever, so I don't think that they should ever have to prove their bravery in any other way. It's kind of you know, you get a

1:48:46 big role at just exactly the wrong type of time in history, perhaps the right time in history to express the things that people need to have their consciousness. We evaluated regarding but. Courageous work and by no means an easy role whatsoever. But I think we should all tip our hats to them for doing such a brave work. And then lastly, no, not quite lastly, almost lastly, let's give it up for Strange New world luminary. Babs Olussan mukun who I am a huge fan of. Babs is a Nigerian American actor who plays, of course, doctor Joseph Mabenga on Star Trek Strange New Worlds, an original series.

1:49:32 Character, let's not forget. And also, if you have not seen the Dnie Villanu Doune in a while, oh my gosh, is babs Olussan mukun in as well phenomenal work, real physical performance, he's just great. I just find it impossible to take my eyes off him when he's on screen. Very hypnotic magnetic performer, and then we got legends. Can I give it up for a legend about for Walter Koenig, Walter Kanig, I would be a lot doing a lot of Space nineteen ninety nine ladies, So I'm just saying Koenig, but I believe he pronounces it kayig, so you know, different strokes, apples and oranges. Walter Kanegh, of course, is the actor and writer best known for playing Pavel Chekhof on Star Trek from second to thursdayson on. He was the only original cast member not to lend his voice to the Star Trek animated series What Happened Walter? We would love to discuss that with you and find out what really went on there. But he still contributed to that show by writing the episode The Infinite Vulcan.

1:50:36 So it's just interesting. You know, show bus is a crazy thing, and he was probably like I'm done with this, or who knows, or maybe he had an illness or something. I don't know, but it would be great to find out. Always a good person to talk Star Trek Walter Kanang, So hopefully we get him on the show. But a lot of birthdays this time of year. It seems as we turned the corner in the fall. So I think I've got more birthdays coming from my good friend Uncle Jim. Uncle Jim, take it. Away, Thank you so much, Paul. I believe he also voiced his grandson, the President of the Federation on Star Trek Discovery. Didn't he air? Yeah, he didn't just voice that, he acted it.

1:51:16 Yeah. Yeah, So he came back on Discovery many many many years later. I forgot to put that in the notes for Paul. I apologize. Okay, So I usually do the Klingons, but I don't have a lot of Klingons, but I do have some Klingon esque people on my list. We want to start off with Christina Chong born On born on September eighteenth, nineteen eighty three. She's the English actress who plays La on NOONI and sing on Star Trek. E Strange New Worlds? Now, how much more Klingon? She'll kick your button, take your name. So that's why she's on my list, and she's related to khn So how much cooler can you be then that? So Happy birthday to Christina Chom. I also want to say, yeah, she can dance and she gets mad when people put their clean socks in her drawer. So happy birthday. We also want to say happy birthday to Jeremy Roberts, who was born in September eighteenth. He's the actor who played Lieutenant Commander Dmitri val Teyne and Star Trek sixty Undiscovered Country and Star Trek Voyagers third season episode Flashback and Miso Klawn and Start Trek Deep Space nine's fourth season episode Hippocratic Oath. Not a Klingon, But why did I grab him on my list because we talked to him on our podcast and he was so much fun. He was also in Christmas Vacation with Chevy Chase and he had a funny story to tell us about that. So why

1:52:48 don't you go to Trek talkin dot com and look up our interview with Jeremy Roberts and give it a listen. He was a lot of fun. I think you'll enjoy it. Happy Birthday to Jeremy Roberts. Another one on my list. There's not a klingon, but she'll still suck the salt out of your ass and a heartbeat. We want to say Happy birthday Sandy Gimple. And there she is up on the screen the Salt Vampire herself or in September seventeenth, nineteen thirty nine. She's the American stuntwoman and stunt actress who played in the pilot The Cage as a Telosian and the M one thirteen salt creature in The Man Trap. She was also the Ouvion Queen in Battlestar Galactica, and she stunt doubled for Will Robinson on Lost in Space and again we interviewed her on our podcast and she was a blast to talk to. So go to Chuck talkin dot com and look her up because she had a lot of great stories about dancing with Elvis Presley, for instance. You can find out that story by going over and listening to our interview with her. So happy birthday to Sandy Gimple and I believe v you had an opportunity to meet her.

1:53:59 She was very nice. Yeah, just a very nice lady. Between meeting her and Sean Kenny, who was the I call him the bee Beep Pike that play the Injured Pike, that was so cool to meet two people, well the type Chattner, but two people from the original series. She was cool and in fact, after we had her on the podcast. I wrote her a letter and said, hey, Sandy, I have a wall of fame with all the people that have been on our podcast. Could you send me a picture to put up on the wall. And she did and it says to uncle Jim, thanks for the conversation, I have to go have my salt. Yeah that's pretty cool.

1:54:43 So thank you so much to Sandy Gimble. And now we're going to get into some Klingons. Ah to the Hardy Klingons. The first one I think is a great one. We want to say happy birthday and kapla to Mary Kay Adams, and there she is up on our screen. On September twelfth, nineteen sixty two, she played Groca on Deep Space nine's third and fourth season episodes To the House of Cork and Looking for Parmak in All the Wrong Places, two phenomenal, phenomenal episodes when Cork is trying to be a Klingon and he's hooked up to war and he's Mary absolutely hilarious, a great, great character. Mary Kay Adams really brought that character to life and I love her portrayal. So happy birthday to Mary Kay Adams.

1:55:36 And last on my list is a Klingon that has a connection to a guest that's going to be on our show Wednesday or Thursday. Waiting for confirmation, but we want to say cup La to Robert Wisdom born in September fourteenth, nineteen fifty three, the actor who played Doc Ra and starts for Extrange New World second season episode Under the Cloak of War, the father of Bitha played by Christine Cole, who's going to be on our podcast very very very shortly, one of my favorite episodes of Strange New Worlds, and we find out the answer, the big answer to the big question. Did m Benga kill him? Yes, it was confirmed that he did. It was kind of left up in the air. We had a trivia question about it, we had a poll about it, and he confirmed it on shuttle The conf a that yes he did kill him. So let's put that to rest, and that, my friends, wraps up our star Trek birthdays for this episode.

1:56:38 I hope you guys had a great time. And we're just about out of time. Eric, I'm unless you think you can squeeze in a Shatner says what, or we can push that to next week. I can read this in two and a half minutes. Okay, so here we have our our first story. Shatner says what, and we turned to Eric. Shudder says what. William Shantner is headed back to TV and on a expected yet exciting new show. Shatner has scores of television credits to his name. Beyond Just James T. Kirk, D T. J. Hooker and Boston Legal, the veteran actor has starred in countless TV movies, including a few holiday themed offerings. One interesting entry was two thousand and three's Apparel Christmas, where Shatner's performance is a quirky ghost of Christmas past, inspired David E. Kelly to create the character of Denny Crane for Shatner. He also starred in the cult horror movie A Christmas Horror Story. Shatner has confirmed to star and produced the new Pathway Pictures drama d series Family Tree. He's co producing with game show host Tom Bergeron alongside Nat Bernstein, with Katie Amanda Keene as writer.

1:57:48 Is going to be directed by Marla Sockloff, who also stars. The show is about quote three estranged siblings who reunited Christmas to sell their crumbling childhood home, only to discover that fixing the house might be the key to repairing their fractured family. Sokolov, a veteran of Hallmark slash Lifetime Christmas Movies, shared a statement on the series. She says, Family Tree is about the kind of healing that only happens when you're stuck together with the people who you know best and challenge you the most. It's a story with grief, growth, and humor wrapped in holiday warmth. Katie, Amanda Keene and I have always wanted to collaborate on a holiday movie that is rooted in family reality with a touch of holiday magic, and I think we accomplished that with this script. Shatner added, I'm so pleased to be involved in this magical, mysterious Christmas show that celebrates love.

1:58:39 This may seem an offbeat choice for Shatner's next project, yet he's yet It's logical he's holding off on bigger stuff at his age. Of course, from going on a space shot last year to his podcast and planning a new book on fan interactions, Shatner isn't exactly quitting, and this movie seems to be a fun lark. The series is set to begin production in early twenty twenty six for a holiday release next year. Still, it's nice that even at ninety four years old, William Shatner is still doing some good movies and has no signs of slowing down anytime soon. I can't wait to see it. Bill. I'm a little bit of a sucker for these Hallmark movies.

1:59:20 I'm not gonna lie. I hope he does it the right way. I'm sure. All right, guys. Well, that wraps up our podcast for tonight. Thank you so much for joining us. I want to say thank you to Paul for hanging out and Trek talking with us. Thank you so much, Paul. It was it was really fun. And wow that Christmas music. That movie sounds great, doesn't It sounds amazing. It's gonna be a great movie. It's gonna win Emmys and style. They should pretty much just cancel the Oscars. Can just give everything to this. You know, don't don't don't, don't underestimate it. Paul, Oh, I don't. I look and.

2:00:01 I hear, I hear rumor that that Shatner has written Sidebok into this movie as a Christmas ghost, so. Of Christmas. Yes, we know. Star Trek five is the best star Trek Movie. The Dictionary of like psychiatric ailments? Is there an ailment when. You're repetitively obsessed on the same thing constantly, over and over and all the time? Look for any used to you know? The mail is like that reminds me of Star Trek five. Oh my eggs, my egg is me too rotten? And reminds me of five?

2:00:44 Did you? I thought I was the only one. I think it's as. You've got to get a recognized ailment, you know, Jim, Yeah, the patient zero five? Don't they have a d f M five? Yeah? Five? I still think of the Yeah, you're right. I don't know how I know that. Because people keep getting crazy. Well yeah, new volume. Oh wow. Oh. And of course, thank you so much to Eric for hanging out in Trek talking with us tonight. Thank you Eric. Yeah you bet. It was a lot of laughs tonight. That was fun. And of course thank you to V for enlightening us. Thank you, VV. You're welcome, Thanks for the laugh.

2:01:25 Thank you so much to David. It was fun. It was fun for sure, different kind of show for us, but fun. And thank you to David for being with us and hanging out and putting up all these videos for us. Thank you, David. It's been a lot of fun. I don't think we've laughed as hard for a while on a podcast, have we. He's in our mind. So for next week, I have spoken with uh with miss Horn who played Bitha in the shuttle to Confoa. She said she wanted to come on the show on Wednesday, but gave me the eight for Thursday. I'm trying to confirm whether she wants to be on Wednesday or Thursday. I haven't heard back yet, but we are going to be talking about the con drama series episode one, so whether we have her on to check our Facebook page. I'll clarify that as soon as I have information. But we will be back next week.

2:02:21 We'll either have a awesome cling on with us or we're going to talk about con one or the other. But we will be back on Thursday. So that my friends wraps up the show. I'm the most excellent host, Uncle Jim saying to everybody, please stay safe and be good to each other, and remember Star Trek fans are the best fans. Good Night, everybody, good night. Dumb sort to censor our first Amendment right ready. To department, Sir some problem RCA, just hoping this isn't the usual way our missions will go. Sir oh no, enough, but what I'm sure this will be much more interesting. Let's see what's out there.

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