Episode 648 - SNW review "Shuttle to Kenfori"

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0:59 About this. Now. Well, good evening, Trekkies and trekkers around the globe. Welcome to episode six and forty eight of Trek Talker. I'm your most excellent host, Uncle Jim. Welcome to the show. Before we get too far, like to introduce to you my awesome, my incredible trek experts, and we're collected from around the globe. We're going to start out Didion say hello to Victoria.

1:42 How you doing tonight? V I'm great in the midst of a thunderstorm, but hopefully it'll bring cooler temperatures tomorrow. We are expecting the first dry weekend since December. Oh wow, I'm kind of psyched about going up to without the rain, might actually be able to have a campfire, make some schmores. Who knows, we'll see kind of sight. And we're going to swing out to Las Vegas and say hello to Charles. How you doing tonight, Charles. I'm doing good. Well, you're getting the wet spell, we're getting the dried spell, but at least we're not getting the scorching heat. True at, my friend, True that.

2:23 And now we're going to go all the way over to Portland, where we have my trifecta, my triple play, my hat trick, if you will, We'll start off with Eric, how you doing tonight? Eric doing pretty good man, Just tracking tectonic plate movements up here in the Northwest, hoping that big tsunami doesn't come. That was a pretty bod earthquake out in the Pacific. There, Yeah, I heard about that. That's yeah. And also out in Portland we have the toy guy himself. Paul to Paul, I'm doing good, my friend, I'm doing good. Crazy Week, Crazy Week, shameless interruption. I saw a fantastic four this week and it was most excellent, surpassed my wildest expectations. So was it fantastic. For some, it was fantastic.

3:08 If you something really entertaining at the big screen and you've said, oh, the MCU is dead. It's been forever, it's just you know, pasting on fumes for the last ten years. This is a little bit of a resurrection, so pretty exciting. It was very entertaining, So I would definitely encourage all of our our legions of afficionados to go out there and. Check it out. Fantastic for and we're wrapping things off out in Portland as well. We have a very own miracle worker David. How you doing tonight, David, Yes you are. We missed you last week for sure. I'm glad you're back though.

3:51 Now we can have some videos and some fun which is great. Hey, you guys can go over to Trick Talking dot com and you can find access to all of our podcasts and bios and pictures of all of my awesome co hosts. We'll be adding. Victoria to that very very shortly. You can also support us while you're there by becoming a Patreon and a Patreon I'm sorry at our Patreon page, which Charles runs for us for only two dollars a month. You can help us run this podcast, or you can make a one time donation through PayPal. All that information can be found at Trek Talking dot com. On tonight's show, YEP, Strange New World is back and we're going to be talking about a shuttle to Confa tonight. So have your Klingon whips ready because we're going to be them out and whipping them into shape. We also have our fans shout outs. That's where we thank fans like you all around the world for listening and supporting this podcast. And we have some Strange New Worlds polls this week, something a little different. Let's see season four. We're going to see the Muppets on Star Trek, kind of like Pigs in Space. For those of you old enough to remember that.

4:58 I did, Yes, I had. I had the notebook because they had for school. You could get the notebooks with Pigs in Space. You got to say it. Space and the name of the vehicle that they flew around, don't you. I know that Paul does the US bacon. Or nomber. Oh gosh, what was it called? I know it was. I know that the lead who was linked hog Throb.

5:39 The Mighty Their Mighty ship was the swine track, what is wrong with me? Mm hmmm? Wow? And Pet you know the salary here, that's all I'm doing. Wait, you get paid. I get the scraps from Jim's table. What Lea doesn't want? And we also Starfleet Academy. We're going to play that trailer and talk about that and see what you guys thought about it as well. And what Star Trek actors do you share a birthday with? Find out on our Star Trek birthdays and just what's going on around the Star Trek universe. Could there be a Star Trek tos reboot in the works.

6:27 I don't know. You'll have to hang out to find out. And while you're over at trek talkin dot com, you'll see a link there to our Facebook page, which of course is Trek Talking and beyond. When you get there, pin to the top of the page you'll see the live Long and prosper post, and on there we ask you guys, where are y'all listening from? I just drop us a little note and I will tell you. Emojis get my attention. So if you leave lots of emojis, see a heart next to your name from yours truly Uncle Jim, then you are going to be featured on a fan shout out. So without any further ado, Eric, would you like to get us started with our fans shoutouts this week? I absolutely would. I'm gonna spin this globe over to approximately seven thousand miles southwest of where I am and say hello this week to jan Lee Graville, who's saying hello to us this week from Queensland, Australia. Thank you so much for supporting us in that most remote and amazing part of the world. I mean remote from my standpoint right, it's like seven thousand miles away. Thanks Janley for supporting our podcast saying hello this week as well to Mike Koshan who's saying hello to us from Oxford over there in the UK. We have lots of support over there in the UK and we appreciate Mike being part of that band of crazy people who actually listen to us, but staying right there on the same island.

7:48 We're going to say this week. Hello. Hello this week to David Wallin's Craft who's in Manchester in Lancashire, UK. He says, y'all live long and prosper Spock would say with hand salute and they sent us a uh, looks like a weightlifting person, a muscle thing, some praying hands, a fox, and a be kind of random, but I kind of like it. David, thank you so much for saying. Can I ask a quick question by polite interruption? Yes, gentlemen's middle name is Wollstone. Yeah, wasn't that Mary Shelley's middle name or her maiden name Wollstone.

8:31 I believe that's sounds familiar. You're right, yeah, is. There a potential relationship here, David? Are you related to the creator of Frankenstein? Please chime in on our Facebook page and let us know. That would be really cool. That would be a pretty awesome plank to fan brother. No wonder you know. Sorry that attention by the way, Yeah, Frankenstein, his. Name caught my attention, Mike. No, you're right, and I just reread that and I read now I've already forgotten name of it. But I just read another Mary Shelley book, the one where there's like a plague and it takes out the whole planet.

9:12 You can't think of that one anyway, she wrote, she wrote an apocalypse book too, So last but not least, I'm going to spin that glow back over to this side of the planet and go pretty far south of where I particularly am and say hello to Rick Fuintes, who says that he's retired and he's hanging out in Panama. I'm sure it's amazing down there. Rick, Thank you so much for supporting us from that most narrow of countries. Charles, who would you like to say hello to? Oh? Thank you Eric. Let's start off with Joey Denny. It's from Florida. You're staying cool, Joey. Welcome to Chris Heron from Athens, Tennessee.

10:01 Welcome Chris. Welcome, Jamie Freeman Upton from Southeast Louisiana, sixteen miles north of New Orleans. I got to make a trip back to New Orleans eventually. And welcome to Ali Rise from Oregon. I wonder, Ali, if you know the guys so v who's on your list? Well, the top fan is Jerry Rowe from Indiana, USA. Then we have somebody that's in our neighbor to the north, Steve Crowell from Ontario, Canada. A he put the A there, so I didn't just say that. Then gosh, wow, just up the road for me at Top Fan Lee Copeland. Hi, Lee, you are in Portsmouth, Virginia. I'm just not too far in Williamsburg. So glad to have you here. And then different sort of Panama, but we have Scott Montgomery Sr.

11:12 Panama City Beach, Florida, the future home of Charles trip Tucker the Third. All right, onto you, Paul, thank. You, I appreciate that. Let's first of all, let's leave these United States and head over to the Many European continent and say hello to our good buddy Tom Ross from the region of ham in North Rhine Westphalia, Germany. There where there is history everywhere you look. Amazing part of the universe to live in. So great to hear from you, Tom, Thanks for checking in a little bit. Further down the road we go to beautiful Italia, where the flag is always shining in the sun proudly. And our friend Alice Confalonieri is in Italia. Doesn't say where, but sure and be you're residing there, my friend, What a wonderful place. Going over to Brazilia. Over there into the storied municipality of Campeignas in the city state of sal Paolo. We have Alexandro Pitarello there, who's giving us just about every kind of gang sign you could see, including the famous Livelong and prosper So.

12:26 A lot of great. Signage there, Alexandro. Great to hear from you and back. These are in no particular order, or you would get whiplash really quickly if you tried to travel this way, because we're going back to Europe again, to Antwerp in Belgium, to Gunter Bolansei where he is also residing there with the flag of Belgique there to honor his homeland. So wonderful to hear from everyone here. Great to see that there is enthusiasm for Star Trek and shamelessly this podcast all over the entire planet, Isn't that right? Uncle Jim, Absolutely, Paul and I'm going to continue on by thanking our fans. We want to say thank you to Lauren Well and Williams who's listening to us in Florida, US of A. We also have Zachary Giandelli who says he's from Jersey.

13:15 Baby, I love it, love it, love it. We also want to say thank you to Alan Stevens from Samford, Maine, home of Stephen King. I believe he's from Maine, and the last but not least George Aglar from Texas. If you guys like to be featured on a future fan shout out just total Facebook page look for to live long prosper, tell us where you're from and leave lots of emojis. Please, if you see an emoji, tune into the next show you'll be featured. But more than that, look at that awesome picture. Incredible that was me and my wife and my daughter meeting Gates McFadden up at Trek Conder Roga. You guys can send us a picture and it'll be right up there on the screen with all these awesome pictures which you guys can't see unless you visit Charles to become a Patreon. So patron at our Patreon page. Anyways, without any further ado, I think it's time for some Star Trek polls. What do you guys think? Sure, Unfortunately I still have I still have David cued up here from last week.

14:20 There we gonn. You know me like no win, but you thought about the show when we try to share your opinions with all of our minions out there because they listen worldwide. So tell us just what you think. Get together we will alter Canara and robulin. A still love that song. Eric, you got to come up with a to go along with it, all right, So David do your magic, buddy, and so.

15:16 We begin. I'm Captain allah Ka, Chancellor of Starfleet Academy. We're all the first Academy class to return to our campus in San Francisco after. More than one hundred and twenty years. Some of you are here for your families, some for yourselves. Together, you were the best and the brightest from across the galaxy, the. Tapestry that is Starfley. You were along the skills that. Shape our greatest officers.

15:59 Like them, lest you to give more of yourselves. Than you know, you had. To dream without limitations. Whatever challenges came before today. Led you to this woman. You here. Now you weave together at the future. So go out and seek, explore, probably go when no one has gone before. It is my great honor, So welcome you all to Starfleet Academy.

17:00 All right, So I guess you guys can figure out what our poll is, right, Eric? Yeah? Absolutely? That was the amazing Starfleet Academy trailer that was dropped at San Diego Comic Con. And so we asked now that that trailer has dropped. Plus the Entertainment Tonight first look article and photos, how do you feel about the new series? And we had seventy seven percent of our responders say that they are excited about Starfleet Academy. Twenty three percent of our responders gave it a meh, So there you go. I, for one, am super excited, super glad that we're getting some more thirty second century action.

17:42 Is it just me? Or did that thirty second century view of San Francisco just kind of evoked Coruscant? I loved all seeing all of those like ridiculously tall buildings, but the Golden gate Bridge is still there. I don't know, I just so cool. So I'm looking forward to it. What about you, Paul, what'd you think? Did the trailer do it for you? Or was it no? I'm pretty optimistic, cautiously optimistic, you know, pretty much always right, but the ingredients are there really challenging? Is marketing this day and age right? I mean, twenty twenty six seems like a long way down the road from now. It's tough. It's like I'd almost rather not see a trailer that far in advance, because it's like it's like they just dropped a little trailer for the Odyssey from Christopher Nolan a couple of weeks ago.

18:29 I mean, Paul, for me, are all the articles, like the infinite articles that come out that spoil every single character, all of the things that are going on, and now I have to wait for them. And so this is huge, you know about of anticipation that goes with it. Right, That makes it challenging to get through a long period of time. Right, I'd almost rather just you know, give me some stills, very little ink. Right, But here's the thing, at the end of the day, I have tremendous respect and admiration from both Holly Hunter and Paul Giamatti, and I think that they tend to really have a lot of haste when it comes to what the material they choose to pick. And I'm thinking that they didn't sign on for this thing unless there was something really worthwhile going on there. So hopefully they got a lot, you know, invited to look at a lot of scripts, and we're you know, pleased with what they saw. So their involvement really helps sell me and keep me on the glass half full side. So it's a long wait, but you know, the way things tend to be right. You blink and it'll be twenty twenty six.

19:33 Sadly before we know it. Time to go much faster in reality than we think it does in advance. So I think it's going to be exciting. Looks potentially really good to me. I love the ending of that trailer. That was great. So i'll tell you guys. When I saw the trailer dropped when I was at camp, so I had to watch it on my phone. I got home on Sunday, sat down the to watching the big screen. My wife is sitting there scrolling through her phone because she doesn't like Star Trek at all, and I put the trailer on. She put her phone down and looked up and said, what is this? I said, this is the new Star Trek series. She watched the whole trailer and she says, when does that come out?

20:15 That looks really good. I was like, well, twenty twenty six. So my wife enjoyed the trailer. So the marketing people, you know, pulled some strings right to get my wife to put the phone down and watch it. So hopefully enough other people felt the same way. We can only hope and for me, a klingon, doctor, come on, That's all I needed to say. And I've been bitching about Star Trek for ages. Give us something new, give us something different, And it looks like this trailer. Did we have a Gemadar, we have a Klingon, we have a holographic character. We have another alien with weird eyebrows. We don't know what that is. So we're going to see different races, different alien races, different characters, and you know, for me, that's what's Star Trek is all about. So you know I'm with the eighty eight percent of the minions. Bring it on?

21:05 How about U? V Oh? Absolutely. I've been a fan of Holly Hunter for years. She was in broadcast news raising Arizona. That's a hilarious movie if you've never seen it. And the piano. I think she's gotten at least one oscar So's Paul Giamatti, And even though I've only seen bits and pieces of when he was portrayed John Adams, I'd like to see the rest of it. I know he's a stellar actor too. And whistling the original Star Trek theme at the very end, that's intriguing. So I saw an article or a comment or something saying that they're wondering if that's going to make that music cannon instead of just being, you know, a theme song. Is that something in the Star Trek universe?

22:00 Is that music that people know? So I thought that was kind of interesting, But yeah, bring it on. You know what, I hope it's a fourth wall break because those are favorite things. Oh, I know right, yes, exactly exactly. And I know that Paul Is is a Star Trek fan, so it would be great if we could get him on the show, him and Holly Hunter. I'd be beside myself. I've got I've got some stuff in the works, but not that. Okay, So how about you, Charles, what did you think you're looking forward to it? Oh? Definitely. You already took a little bit of my steam and saying the fact that we've got quite a few new species.

22:43 But I think we can focus on. Three second century. We can bring in some new species. We could bring in. Someone that haven't been around. It's like, oh, whatever happened to the species? We the species did evolve and they're now a peaceful race. Later on, it's like, Okay, I think maybe we need to sit there and show what happened on the future. We got to see a little teaser discovery. Well, let's see a lot more. You know, one thing that I think is really cool about the species, Charles, is that you've noticed that all of the marketing material is talking about our gem Hdar looking character as a gem Hdar Klingon hybrid. And that makes a lot of sense because the gem Hdar don't reproduce as most Star Trek races do. Right, they're actually clones, They're they're grown, So that means that she was specifically grown as some kind of hybrid for some reason. So she's probably got a cool backstory that I'm interested to learn.

23:47 Ye. That's the kind of good Charles, that's. The kind of teasers you want. That's the kind of stuff for you're like, oh, I want to know more about that. It's like, okay, there you go. Now you got now you want. There's a hook. And I think they also must have bred out their ketchrasell White addiction as well, because I don't think they're going to pass out drugs at Star Freed Academy. So hope we go. You m.

24:29 Yeah, So I'm actually really looking forward to this series. I am a little intrigued rab you guys had touched on already about the female Drummadar because, as Eric said, they were clone bread and from what I understand from from memory serves, there were no female Drumadars, but now they do have one. And this is gonna be kind of interesting to see how her backstory portrayed into why that is, and so it's gonna be an interesting take on how they come up with that backstory for her. But yeah, I think just her character is gonna make me want to watch the show to see where they take it. Shuttle's shee and uh. So that that's our first poll, and we have one more. David roll the tape.

25:35 H hit it you you heard me say hit it right? Mm hmm. Spock anyone did you go to season four without me? All right? So Eric, what's our poll question? That, of course, is the teaser that we got from San Diego Comic Con for The Strange New World season four, and so we asked, are you looking forward to seeing Star Trek Muppets? And eighty eight percent of our respondents said heck, yeah, bring on the Muppets and only twelve percent said nah, I'm not really interested in those. So that's a pretty good response rate. That's a that's at least a B plus, not an as on a curve.

26:39 I for one, I'm all about it. Everybody knows I like the fun episodes. This looks super duper fun, So I can't wait to see what they do with muppets and how they explain it. Yeah, and these are actually Jim Henson muppets, not you know these. This is a real deal. So, and I'll say one thing I have learned from experience to give strange new worlds a chance. Because they did a ridiculous singing episode that I just thought was gonna be total crap, and it was my favorite episode that I've seen so far. So I give them every benefit of every doubt. And so, yeah, I want to see what they do with the muppets. I'm looking forward to it, and I'm sure there's some good story.

27:24 Very star trek Ye and yeah, bring it on, Bring it on. How about you, Charles? Well, gee, do I have any interest in it? As my co host? My host and co hosts just have to look at the chat and they'll see their answer right in the chat. Yo. Definitely, I'm interested in this. I've actually got a blue character that's similar to a Muppet and in fact, he's got a lower decked T shirt. And I love what Hanson's done with their work. I love even the modern day Hanson, what they've been doing with their stuff. So you get Hanson's studios in there. Oh, definitely, this episode's going to be good. I wonder if that twelve percent might be some of those who didn't like the musical episode, as I know a.

28:20 Couple of my friends. I got a couple of my friends who still have not seen that episode because they refuse. To see it. But that's sad, sad, sad. That's they're determined that they've got their expectations and they don't want it going below that. But for me, oh yeah, I understand completely. But if you don't give it a chance, how do you know if it's below your expectations? You know, I thought that the Subspace Rhapsody was going to be the worst episode ever ever. You guys, remember how much I wasn't looking forward to it, loved it. If I didn't watch it, I wouldn't know how good.

29:02 It really was. So you know, I would watch it. Mind after you see it. Personally, for me, it's like, okay, can we make a spot Muppet and sell it. I want it. I think they should have a Strange New World's episode about a podcast. This is what I think they should do, a bunch of podcasters talking about Strange New worlds. That would be an episode. Yeah, we would all be muppets. I would love to see it. Yeah, I'll get the I'll get the Pike care going on, Eric can have the Riker beard. Well, V, why are you looking forward to this episode?

29:48 Absolutely? Having been a fan of the Muppets forever and of course when they did their own little spoof of Star Trek with pig eggs in space. Yeah, I mean, I guess the people that said no, maybe they don't like Muppets, which that just is incomprehensible to me, because Muppets are great. They make me happy. How can you not love them? But they definitely got Pike's hair. They nailed it. So but then I've been a fan of Pike's peak. Then, like I said, I've been a fan of Muppets in the original well they were on Sesame Street and then The Muppet Show and of course all of his uh with Labyrinth and The Dark Crystal. So they oh yeah, well yeah, everything everything, The Muppets have done it just just absolutely amazing.

30:56 So they need Stadler and waldor up in the corner like complaining about everything the bridge crew does. Yeah, well, I was gonna say. I was going to say, I know that on the different Star Trek pages that I follow on Facebook, they are going to be all these killed joy you know, buzz killed people that say, oh, this is crapped. You know, this is not Star Trek, this is you know, but they did. I mean, Star Trek is about infinite diversity and infinite combinations, so that is true. What's to say there's not a planet of Muppets out there in real life? Yeah, so, David, I think the Muppets might be a tad before your time. But what do you think.

31:44 Oh, I grew up with the Muppet Baby cartoon, so I love them up bit. In fact, I'm gonna share a screen for you guys because child's let me go ahead and shut So this is your child, and here's little Muppet here. And uh yeah, yeah, I love don't take this the wrong way, but he kind of looks like you. That's the best sort of compliment. Yeah, I guess I have a puppet. I don't know, but Yeah, I grew up with puppets and Muppets. I loved the whole Jim Hension stuff and everything.

32:27 I watched every single Muppet movie, including Treasure Island the Muppet So that was a very interesting movie there on itself. And yeah, just like with v shehad, you know, Doug Crystal, that was actually my very favorite favorite movie growing up. When watching that and being able to watch the TV shary that came out on Netflix was really fun. So yeah, I'm excited about the episode. I'm I'm totally with the fans on this one, and I can't wait to see what they come up with. So that was the was the movie with David Bowie Labyrinth Were those Muppets. Until and and Gaate McFadden was a choreographer, though she went by her first name, Cheryl mccatten.

33:15 See that the Star Trek ties to the Muppets, and right Paul saved you for a last buddy, you get the caboose on the Muppet track. Well you know, yeah, I mean like you said, man, I mean, if watching the show has taught us anything, right that they they swing for the fences with some crazy ideas sometimes. But I think that you know, like what you were saying with some Space raps, right, Everybody was like, you know, the whole get off my lawn thing, right, and it ended up being a great success, right. And and I was the same way with the whole idea of like bringing lower decks onto stranging the worlds right until you actually see the way it's executed, right, what's the all you're hearing is the premise and the concept.

33:56 You don't know how it fits in contextually at all. So well, you know, and for folks who like have never sat I mean sitting there with your arms folded, never even watching some Space Rhapsody to prove some point, and like a you know, good lord, you know, it's like if you've watched you know you're a Star Trek fan, hout, and you don't have an open mind. To me, that just seems like, you know, why are you even a Star Trek fan? And if this series is universe of this show as taught as anything, it's like, live outwardly with an open mind if you can, and if you don't, I just feel sorry for you. So yeah, I'm very cautiously optimistic. Who knows what they'll do. It'll be years before we see this. It'll be ages before we see this, right, I mean this is way down the road. Like we were saying with Starfleet Academy, it'll be at least next year before we see this. So who knows, but it's a fun idea, right, And I don't know about you, but I think you're like, with the way things are going these days, I think we can all benefit of a little more fun I mean, little more prune juice to a certain demographic of our listeners, if you know what I'm saying.

35:01 Yeah, absolutely, all right, guys, So that was our Star Trek polls, which were you know, different polls, but polls at any rate. And we're going to move on and we're going to move on to cadet training. And this is the part of the show where Charles lets you, guys know what episodes you can go back and review to learn a little bit about this week's episode. So take it away, Charles. Okay, quite a bit of a mixed batch in this episode. Then I kind of call that it started out with tos This Side of Paradise season one, episode twenty four, where we had a flower that did affect the crew.

35:54 Discovery season one is the Klingon War. They talk quite a bit about the Klingon War happening, and that's when the Klingon War happened. This episode ties back to Strange New World Under the Cloak of War season two, episode eight, a reference where this story came from, at least part of the story. TS Dagger the Mine Season one, episode nine, What's the first time we saw a mind meld by a Vulcan? A total of fifty three occurrences across all of the different series and movies, Lower Decks, Second Contact season one, episode one, and Starbase eighty season five, episode five, where we have zombiel like occurrences.

36:54 I think some of their best, some of the best work we've seen in zombies, and this one caught me. TS a mouck Time Season two, episode one, where we see the Vulcans have. A ritual virtual Vulcan ritual of death. Because I tried to look it up and I didn't really find such a ritual for the Klingons. I definitely found it, remember remember it for the Vulcans. So I wonder what the fans thought about this episode.

37:36 Yeah, every week you guys can go to our Facebook page and you will find a question there asking you to score each episode on a score of one to ten, and then we collect those scores and we go over them. So Eric, take it away, buddy well. William Carmichael said, it's definitely a nine point five plus. You know, you could have just gone another decimal there, William, if they had done just a little better with the z words, could have been a ten. Okay, a little bit better. Thanks William Carmichael. That's pretty good rating for this episode. Regina Stower said a four. Amy Rinnak gave it a five. Julia Ritherdon gave it a seven. Lisa Kramer Hurley said I'd give it a nine point nine minus point one for the tired, played out zombie scheme, but it was at least kind of funny. But overall, nine point nine is a fantastic score. I absolutely love all of Strange New World season three so far. Thanks Lisa.

38:48 Helen Schroeder Hainey said eight. A big wow for the zombies. John X gave it an eight. Martin Diller gave it a ten for characters, five for the setting, five for the story. I'm rounding down to a six like that, Martin, you're giving us like qualifications. That's good. Jason Felt also gave it a six, as did David Eisenstein, so that all averages out to a fan score of a five point. Six for this episode. I think something's wrong with that math because we only had two that were below five, so that that may not be the actual average. But but anyway, it looks like it's around a six or so from our fans.

39:38 Not too shabby, not too shabby at all. So a couple of things about this episode I wanted to talk about, So, what did you guys think about Ortegas and her insubordination? What do you think about that? Eric that? So I listed kind of things I liked about this episode, things that I'm neutral on, and things that I didn't like about this episode, And her insubordination was actually right up there in the in the zone of things that I liked. I like that there are kind of effects from this PTSD that happened over the course of the Gorn episodes. You see those coming out. She's obviously got a very strong kind of she's a very strong woman.

40:24 She's got like strong personality, strong opinions. But I think it's her post her past trauma that's informing the ways that she's kind of sassing Una in this episode. So she's also coming up with great ideas, right, and everybody knows she's the best pilot out there, so she can do crazy stuff with the ship that that nobody else can do. I mean warping into the planet and then seeing the ship like burning up as they're going through the atmosphere. That was like probably one of the coolest scenes in this particular show. I guess for me, Jim, the question is not like about her sass It's about did Una hit her with a hard enough hammer for sassen off. I mean, she gave her two weeks off and said that she's got a report for you know, chain of command training after that. I don't think she deserved jail time or anything. But I don't know, man, that's kind of a light sentence, I would say for the type of sassin that she was doing in the moment on the bridge when the poop is hitting the fan, that's my opinion.

41:31 And I was also Paul, what did you think about Hike just throwing caution in the wind and going to the planet, violating the no fly zone to get a flower. Well, you know, it's interesting, and you kind of have to, I think, link your two questions together really, because you know, I don't want to echo what Eric said, because how many times have we seen, you know, in the course of name you're spoke of the franchise wheel, right, where somebody just goes off half cocked and you know, oh, we've got to steal the ship, and we've got to steal the starship and we got to do this, and there's never any consequences for any of that behavior, right. And yet, so I really like the way that that they handled that with giving thee there's a serious consequence for this, you know, you broke you know, essentially it's a you know, it's an explorationship, but it's a military ship.

42:20 It's a naval ship, and there's rules for that, right, and you can't just go off like that and be insubordinate. And the idea that you know that there's a consequence for that, I thought was really appropriate and a lot more realistic than we typically see. And yet here is Pike right now doing the exact same thing, right, So I wonder if at some point that behavior of his, because he's done this two or three times now in the course of you know, his fealty too. We're seeing more and more his relationship with Captain Battell is interfering with his judgment. You know, I like their relationship. I like that he has a personal connection. He's willing to do anything to save her right, But is that the kind of thing that John Luke Picard would have done?

43:05 Is that the kind of thing that Captain Kirk didn't sitting on the edge forever? No, And so it's a very different behavior from Starflee Captain right, And I think we might be working towards there being some kind of a rubber band snapping back from all that. I think it's really interesting to compare those two things. I'm really curious to see how that plays out. But you know, he's just determined, and seemingly everything he's determined to make happen, things don't always work out the same way. So I think it's gonna be a fascinating episode to talk about. Yeah, I got a lot out of it. Heavy. What did you think about the about Pattel, I don't know what you call it, getting Gorn, becoming a Gorn, fusing with the Gorn or whatever, and telling Pike about that and then Pike finds out about it when they're on the planet. To him, I can't be concerned with how my death would affect you.

44:05 Yeah, that was. Hurt his feelings. I wonder if he is well. First off, he loves her, and we thought before that when Chapel and Spock uh worked on her did whatever you know with the with him his blood and everything like that, that she was quote unquote cured. And then we find out no, she's not. And you know when when Stock tries to help her because she's in pain and they do that intense mind meld where he just absolutely just a primal scream and she does too. Gosh, that's gonna be I just I'm wondering what what is she going to look like as a human gorn hybrid. But I think I just wonder if Pike, since he knows his fate, does he you know, it's like, what are they going to do to me? Because I'm going to, you know, be horribly injured in the future. So I wonder if that's why he's maybe throwing caution to the wind a little bit.

45:17 Yeah, well, we'll have to wait and find out. Charles. I wanted to see what you thought about and Benga finally finally telling Pike that and all of us we had our suspicions that he actually murdered Doc Roth and then it wasn't self defense because that was a big question that we talked about on the podcast. That was a big floating question I think for fans to what happened, and I think personally I liked the idea and that it was kept secret and now that we released it, the fact that the Doctor is a bit cold hearted and he did kill him off. Yes, it might have been connected to the war, but I think we see a bit of the dark side of the Doctor and hopefully we don't have too many episodes where we have to see his dark side because that can get a little bit on the edgy side.

46:25 Yeah, the Monster, he referred to it as the monster. And David being our resident miracle worker, I wanted to ask you about Scotty pulling, pulling his magic out and saving the ship and beaming up the captain and in Bengal while they're in the iona sphere and all that other you know, Scotty basically being Scottie. Well, I think he's my great great, great, great great great grandson, but. Uh, yeah, I don't know. I mean, definitely shutting him up to be as the original TS Scotti, who apparently is learning from Patilla.

47:06 That her name. His Patellia. Yeah, apparently a lot of the tricks that Scotti learned from TS is definitely coming from her. So it's kind of interesting to see how he starts to evolve into the miracle worker that we che in the TS show. Yeah, I don't know. I mean there's a lot of things that he did in that particular part of the show that you know, a lot of technobabble, but you know, tark Tek show isn't there. But yeah, I think he he's just been pooned, I guess, to become what we all know of in the TS. So sorry, I don't know what I want to say about that, but yeah, all.

47:53 Right, that's enough. So Paul, before we we actually dive into the episode, why don't you give our listeners a quick rundown for those of those who haven't seen it yet, give us a quick plot run down, and then we'll dive right in. Yeah, let's just talk about the setup. I think, the initial you know, catalyst where things go right, and then we can all take our own you know, deeper exploration as we go. But the setup is really compellent, right. It's like we're kind of carrying off, carrying on from where we began in the season three premiere, where there's this whole thing where you know, Batel has had been infected with like gorn eggs essentially, right, and there was this whole thing that involved trying to you know, different attempts to cure her of that. Pike being really reckless, really determined, really obsessed with not losing her right to the point that I think the other officers see that and are you know, going off book at his behest right.

48:51 Chapel and Spock actually used some of UNA's DNA or you altered DNA, you know, which is totally verbot right, but they use that in attempt to kind of you know, expunge the gorn cells from her body. And we thought that was great, right, And for anybody who's dealt with a family member that has been hoping with cancer, the start of this episode is really shocking, right, because you know, he's like, oh, everything's great, and she's going to be going back to her own ship and soon they've become been roommates for a while during her recovery, becomes back in and she's on the floor unconscious. Right, And then you immediately cut to doctor ma Benga right explaining, you know, using really cancer like language. Right, we thought she was in remission. He uses the word remission, right, but unfortunately the gorn cells a returned. I mean it's it's almost like hearing, you know, a bad cancer diagnosis the way it was done. So it's a pretty attention getting way to do it. But then spots right in there, boom, there's this magical flower that's really difficult to get a hold of, right, and if you can get this flower, it's the one thing we know of that can hope for push those cells out of her. Right, it's the hail Mary play, right, And of course Pike's like, you know, whatever it is, I'll do it, ready to just go and do whatever is necessary. Right, And of course the wrinkle is that the flower is only available on this only post that is in like the quote unquote no fly zone, you know, from the you know, end of

50:23 the Klingon War. So going there is a very very forbidden kind of thing. But of course just Pike care no, he does not care. He is determined to go back and do anything he can move heaven on Earth to save his girlfriend's alife, right to save count to Betel. So they have to go on this off the book's mission to go there. Very exciting stuff happens, and I'll let other people talk about what they like as far as favorites of that. But they go down there and stuff happens, right, and they in their quest to find the U this flower that could be the make or break difference between saving Captain Beateel's life. I will just mention briefly one of my favorite things in this episode was at the very beginning of the episode is Spock.

51:04 You know, Spock. It's late in the day. Mike and Ma Benga are taking a shuttle craft down there right to go and do their thing. And I just love the rapport between the two of them, right because it's just the two of them by themselves on this quick shuttle trip down and it's just a chance for them to just you know, be friends and just you know, have camaraderie and talk about their pastime together, right, and they're laughing about, you know, the last time they flew on a shuttle trip together Ma Benga threw up and because they smoked too many cigars the night before, which is this lovely bit of old school character development with them, and I just thought that was great and just watching them playing off each other was just super satisfying. So I don't want to take up more time than just do the setup. But that's the setup, right, And I think other people will have the things they want to talk about, but I think we got some really fresh with some things in this episode, not but some things that were really really fresh that I'm excited to talk about, so that I think we're really really interesting. So Eric, can I pass it to you? Brother?

52:09 Sureman? What did you like about the Where do you want to you want to jump off of? Or? I don't know if there was other questions that we wanted to go in order? How do you want to roll? Jim? What do you think? Well? I wanted to I wanted to jump in because Klingons, all right, Cleons? Wow? I thought Doc Cros's daughter was just absolutely badass, phenomenal. I just I loved her And who knew that a Klingon sash could become a whip for whipping zombies? Who ever thought that. We saw that in the trailer, and she she just she just went to town. I thought she was a great character. And and Benga refusing to kill her and then her you know, sacrificing herself to gain her honor back, and and Benga says, well, I'll know, and she'll know. I thought that was a great scene.

53:04 So I loved all the Klingon stuff. The Klingon battle cruiser looked spectacular, by the way. I thought it looked great. And it was also really really cool to see all the Klingon graphics on the screen if we haven't seen graphics like that on the screen since Star Trek six, when when we see the planet explode. So I thought all the Klingon stuff was great. Okay, So. Zombies all right. I thought the fact that Pike called them zombies, guys, was perfect because Pike watches all that fifty stuff. We saw that in the very premiere episode. So first for Pike to call them zombies, you know, I'm sure that he's seen That of the Living Dead a million times. I mean, he loves those black and white movies. So it didn't bother me that he called them zombies. So that was, you know interesting, but the fact that this whole colony just went missing and Starfleet never thought to send someone to find out what happened to them. The Klingons sent warriors there who never returned, and Klingons didn't care. And everything on the planet was dead.

54:13 There wasn't even fish because the zombies ate the fish too, So there's no life on the planet and which I thought was kind of strange that no one thought to look in on it. But then again they didn't check on con either, so you. Know what am I talking about here, But but they handled. It at the beginning. They explained that it was just like part of the you know armistice at the end of the war, was that these one of many, this is planet to one of the many is considered the off limit zone for both sides. And no go oh, I mean they clearly, they clearly covered. That the Klingon shuttle craft, Eric, did you recognize that Klingon shuttle.

54:57 Well, it had a very Discovery kind of design to it. Yes, that was the rail shuttle from star Trek Discovery, which I thought was the coolest. Tie in ever. And that that what was his name? What was doc Ros's daughter's name, Raoul ral do. You mean this new character the captain. That she used. Veridian to track in Benga And that's the same substance as Spock slapped on Kirk's shoulder in Star Trek sixty Undiscovered Country to track them the Royal penthe So I thought that was really neat little tie in. So yeah, overall, you know, I enjoyed this episode. Overall.

55:39 There was enough going on to keep my keep me interested. And uh, the zombie trope is a bit old, but they handled it very well. And so for me, I'm going to go with an eight on this one. I might even go with a nine. I'm gonna bump it up to a nine. So I enjoy it. I recommended it, and that's my take on it. How about you. Eric? Okay, So things I liked about this episode. I did like, as Paul was talking about at the beginning, the whole concept of the flower and the flower kind of being the thing that they need to make the thing that we don't really want to have happen to Captain Bettel happened, but that it's the only option that we have. I really am interested in that in terms of it being not a complete get out of jail free card, but a kind of like a sort of get out of jail free card. That's a neat twist on what they usually do in Star Trek, which is makes sure that everything's kind of reset by the end of the episode.

56:38 Right in Classic Star Trek, Charles mentioned the flower that gets Spock high back in the original series. It also made me think about the symbiogenic orchid that causes two vis to happen from Star Trek Voyager. So I did like that it was based on this to the Forbidden Planet. I think that Paul did a great job of just discussing that kind of interaction between Pike and and Benga, how special that was to hear them riffing off of each other. I already talked about how I really liked pretty much all of the Erica Ortegas stuff. I just thought they did a great job of mixing PTSD with her kind of natural rash nature, with her you know, duties that she has, and yet like I wonder if she would have sassed off to Pike the same way that she sassed off to Una. Maybe there was a little bit of me that was kind of wondering about that, but there were consequences in the end, so that that was a good thing. I liked the concept of bringing back the Klingons and having stuff from the the Klingon Federation war come back into this story because as Discovery begat, you know, Strange New Worlds, so should Strange New Worlds look back to Discovery. So I did like that and the fact that those Klingons had this tie to a

58:12 previous episode of Strange New Worlds that we saw and the assassination of of the Ambassador that I thought was a really really strong storytelling and a great way to take the am Benga character and like just kick him up a little bit more, give him, give him a little bit more of a of an edge. So yeah, I totally love that there's that whole thing about and Benga never gets caught. He got caught in this episode, so that was kind of funny. Scotty. I love what they're doing with Scotti, the development of that character. And David said that he's getting all his ideas from Pellia, but I actually think what I'm seeing personally is I'm actually seeing Pellia being more like hands off but pushing Scotty to make his own decisions. I think that she recognizes how brilliant he is, right like, she specifically doesn't go to this meeting, and I don't think it's just because she hates going to the meetings. I think it's because she recognizes just how darn smart he is and how he might come up with things that even she, with her thousands of years of experience, might not come up with. So I like that relationship between Scotty and Pellia where she's kind of a mentor, but she's mentoring in kind of a hands off sort of way. I totally dig that. And then probably one of my favorite parts of the episode was the very end when Pike

59:43 and e Benga have that talk after the mission is over and the Benga's worried that Pike is gonna, you know, say something to Starfleet about him killing the ambassador, and I think they resolve that in a very amenable way as friends. I think I personally think that we should do a poll question to the minions, and the pole questions should be, was m Benga actually justified in killing Ambassador Raw now that we know he did it for sure? I think that's a very interesting question. I know what my answer would be to that, but I would love to hear what the minions have to say about that.

1:00:25 We might get like a fifty to fifty. Kind of thing going. Okay things I'm neutral on the Spock mind meld. It was a little bit Star Trek five to me, like, let me take your pain, but then he kind of freaks out when he tries to take her pain. I just I don't know. That scene was kind of like, ugh, okay, just didn't really do anything for me. Things that I didn't like about the episode. First of all, the title. Why was it called the shuttle tick and forty When they were on the shuttle for like two minutes and the rest of the thing was all about other stuff. It's just like, maybe that's tiki taki, but I just don't understand why they titled the episode that. I also, personally, zombies are literally my least favorite horror type of character. Like I would rather have vampires on Strange New Worlds. I would rather have were wolves. I would rather have almost anything than zombies. I specifically avoid zombie movies most of the time.

1:01:24 I hated the zombies. I hate them. I mostly hate zombies because they're literally just a thing that raises the stakes in terms of danger. They don't they're not smart, they don't have any like cool features to them. They're just things that want to kill you. And in this episode, I think we see them as things that are literally it's like cool intelligent, really well written scenes zombie attack. Cool intelligent, really written well scenes zombie attack. So I just didn't care for the zombies at all. Really, the concept of the Klingons was really cool. I personally didn't think Bitha was that strong of a character.

1:02:06 I liked the writing. Maybe it was her acting or something. I don't know. When I saw her, I didn't see a Klingon. I saw a human in klingon makeup, and so there was something that was going on there that maybe I haven't thought enough about to understand why I felt this way, But I just she wasn't the strongest Klingon that I've ever seen. You know. The whip was was kind of fun. We never even got to see her use it. She whipped once and then like a minute and a half later she was being eaten by the zombies. So there wasn't even like a cool I would have liked to have seen her, you know, kill like fifty or sixty zombies while they're running away. That would have been pretty cool, but we didn't really get to see that. Them being inside the little force field cage and having the knife fight. I mean, that was that was kind of cool in that that was the natural resolution of that situation between Bitha and doctor and Benga. And it was cool to see the kind of like ritual knife fight. But you know, when you're looking at the background seeing what the zombies are doing, they're they're not even really trying that hard to get in the force field. They're just kind of milling about.

1:03:15 It was it was silly to me, silly and predictable. Kind of Lastly, to just tie it up, we didn't get any resolution of what actually goes on on this planet after they leave. It's just kind of dropped. It's like a couple of episodes of TNG where they just sort of dropped the story at the end, and you know what happens to all these zombies. I don't know. I would love I would love to know that. So anyway, those were the things I didn't like, own the loss of gravity, like when they're diving in, and then everybody's obviously hanging from harnesses, like it didn't even really look like they were in zero G. So when they put UN's hair up because they couldn't do zero G with her hair, I don't know. So I just thought the whole like zero G thing was pretty cheesy.

1:04:09 So but then I'll close clothes close, I promise with my on the Cusp thing and my on the Cusp thing that I can't tell if I like it or don't like it, or maybe I'm really directly in the middle. Is the whole conversation between Pike and Betel about why Pike didn't tell her. I love that moment because I was the one who complained. Was it last week when she ends up taking care of Pike at the end of the episode because he's whining about things, she does the same thing and this one to start with where she's like, listen, dude, I don't have the time to think about your hurt feelings about the fact that I'm dying. That was, bar none, the best line in the whole episode to me. I thought that was fantastic. So along that same vein, I'm wondering why Pike is so whiny about this. I mean, I think Paul said something that actually resonated with me a little earlier, which is maybe why he's doing this, where he's like, he really cares about this woman and so it's affecting his ability to be a good captain. The fact that he's kind of so in love with her and that he's got these like heavy, heavy feelings about it, So okay that I can see wherein they're actually going for that, like he's getting kind of whiny and stuff, because that's what love does to you, man, It makes you do things that you wouldn't normally do. So so maybe I'm backing off of that just a little bit after what Paul said.

1:05:36 But what she does say is she says, we both know that if I had told you, you would have demanded that we find another way to do it. And that to me is her knowing him so well that she knows that she has to do this thing that he doesn't want to have done, which is not tell him simply because he's so obstinate and so predictable that she knows that she would have just had to wade through the muck a little bit more if she had actually told him, and eventually they would have ended up with the same result. You know, He's like, oh, but at least I could have helped you make the decision, or you would have known I was there for you and that kind of stuff. Anyway, it was kind of her taking care of him, but then in the end he recognizes that and he finally takes care of her.

1:06:25 So it was a nice resolution of last week's issue and also the end of this week's issue. Anyway, Sorry I went a little long there. I just had a lot to say about it this episode, so I don't know. A number is kind of hard for me on this one. Honestly, I think Charles reworked the numbers. We figured out our minions were like a six point nine from the things that we actually did. That's probably about where I am. You know. I might give this a seven simply because I really liked the scenes in between the zombies, but every zombie scene knocked it down a point for me, and all this liked.

1:07:06 Next, I'm happy to point counterpoint unless anyone else wants to go. Go ahead. They're a batting order, now go for it. No, no, no, there's not no batting order. I liked a lot of this episode, I think a little bit more than you did. A I enjoyed it very very much, with the exception of what here's the thing, and I think you were really getting to this right. I thought this is a really great episode. I thought the writing was really sharp. I love what they're doing with Patel moving it up. I mean, if they do what I think they're gonna do, holy moly, we've seen nothing like that before. I think that's going to be really amazing, right, and I'm there for it, right, I am. I think it's going to be really exciting and cool and potentially really tragic and fucked up. I really like the whole conflict between Ortegas and Una, right, and I really especially if you watch that right, how would most actors have played that scene, who you know, compared to Rebecca remain Right, there would be authoritative, but you cannot talk back to me and Da.

1:08:10 And laying down the law. I am an authority figure. Blah blah blah blah blah, No way man. Rebecca remained when she had the direction was like very quiet and very still and very soft and just like you need to listen to what it. I mean, I just thought that she underplayed it really, really well. And my inkling is, if there is anybody on that ship who's going to have the huevos to go up to Pike and say, this woman is affecting your judgment as a captain, it's Una Chin Riley, Okay. I feel like she's almost being positioned to be that that you know, the conscience of him saying, you know, because she's the constant barometer of behaving like a professional officer, right, you know, ad astrap her you children's aspirin. But you know, it's like, I mean, she's always she's the bellweather of what correct protocol and behavior is right, even though she's being perceived as being an outsider because of her lineage, which is so unfair. Right, point well taken, But I think she's best suited to at some point somebody's got to call him on this because he's really you know, and how he reacts when things go south with Captain Mattel in subsequent episodes, It's gonna be really interesting to see how that all plays out. Love the relationship between Pike and my Benga that we didn't talked a little bit about.

1:09:31 I thought it was just fantastic. And I got to say, I don't think Uncle Jim's being enthusiastic enough about this. For my taste, the Klingons in this episode, for me were just phenomenonal. I loved them. They were some of my favorite Klingons in forever. I loved one thing. It's just I was just I was very excited when they showed up and their outfits were exactly the same outfits that the Kap Klingons were wearing, you know in Subspace Rosy with those gold you know, big cowbards and invests and stuff. They were awesome. I was the continuity of that that. I mean, yeah, this little Discovery vibe. Dude that could do. But they had that same you know, cool black menacing kind of they just look badass, right, And I just thought this Captain Bitha was one of my favorite Klingons I've seen in a back of a long time. I thought she was great for me. She was super Klingon right from the moment she showed up.

1:10:26 And for her to be the avenging daughter of the guy from the previous season whom a bek God, that was amazing, right so for me. And kudos to actress Christine Horne, who played Captain Bitha. I thought she brought it and did a phenomenal job. My only complaint with her performance is that she went out, you know, and she went out swinging. But I just I would have loved to see more of that character in subsequent episodes. I don't think she made it though. It seemed like she was being devoured, right, was the impression I got. So, I mean, it was kind of a bummer to lose her so quickly, But I really want to get back to the thing that Eric was talking about, right, I mean, I'm talking about all these things I love with this episode, right, and they're really cool things, and they were really successful, and I thought it was very well done, and the stakes keep going up there and then this zombies, right, and it's just like this would have been a really perfectly fine episode without the nonsense of the zombies.

1:11:21 Right. I was kind of hoping initially that, you know, when they were down there in the lab, there would be like a monster that they had to get done with, right, some kind of alien creature, something that was responsible for killing all the well, you remember the Fame drawn a blank on it, but Dharmack, right, remember in Dharmack Eric when there was like the kind of weird energy monster that he was kind of causing problems that got in the way of women regarded as something like that I was expecting. But zombies, it's just become such a I mean, yeah, it's a super trope, but it's such a you know, temporary trope. Right. It doesn't feel time tameless to me. You're going to look back at that ten years ago. Oh that is so twenty twenty four, all right. I mean it's just because it just seems like a shameless, desperate, cheap seats thing, right, and just it brought down the episode quite a bit whenever that was there, because they're never really convincing our graphic threat compared to the level threat level that you felt on the Gordon ship with the Gorns and stuff running around, or on the Gordon Colony ship much kind of a more visceral threat level. These zombies just seem like a really tired idea, right. But I don't want that to drag from my overall fondness for this episode, though, I would, you know, I would probably give it a ten word not for the zombies, because I thought the writing would, the character work and the performance was so wrong, and I dug the new Klingons tremendously and I love what's going on with Pttel and Pike, So I'm going to land and give it a nine. At the end

1:12:53 of the day, it would it would be higher without the zombies, which I just thought was there's really tedious, you know, but I'm really enjoying this season, so I thought this was a really interesting transitional episode. I'm dying to find out what happens with Ptele. Is anyone else's invested as I am. I just feel like I'm just dying that what happens. Number one thing I'm interested in. If they do what she wants to do, And just her ferocity of like, you know, she's almost like a right to die advocate, right, It's kind of how she's coming across and someone you know, you're not going to make me live when I don't want to live, right, or live how I don't want to live. You're not going to tell me what to do or risk your life for me. And this is my life and I'll decide. Right, She's like a right to die advocate living in Oklahoma, right, I mean, it's just it's it's fascinating. So I'm really you know, props to her a great performance there. I love what they're doing with that. I'm just fascinated. So I can't wait to when we're done here, you know, have a quick dinner and go see what's happening on this newest episode this week. But delightful stuff a nying for me, un areservedly. I'm very entertained by good stuff, So thanks.

1:14:06 What would be really cool is if she did become a Gorn highbrid and we actually got a Gorn character on the ship type of deal that would be. Part of the crew. Yeah, I was Captain's own ship. Yeah, I mean, I am fascinated. But I mean I don't think we've run into anything quite like this before, right, Like you know, I mean stuff like with Tuvik's on Voyager, stuff like the occasion you would do on Deep specif they're pushing the boundaries of their storytelling and they're not just sitting around on their laurels, right, and and I really like what they're willing to make the characters grapple with new things, it seems this year, right, So I'm I'm super optimistic about the direction the things I had it so super fun.

1:14:52 Well the uh you've heard everyone else's what do you think? Yeah, well, going back, I was going to say, with Una taking Ortagas for off the duty roster for two weeks, and you're saying that it doesn't seem like a whole lot or or Tagus it is for her not being able to fly the ship for even a day is tough. So two weeks for her is going to be an eternity. But I do like how she said, you know how when I said specifically to do it whatever it was the something impulse, and she did it a little bit more said oops, my finger slipped.

1:15:38 But uh, so there's that. So we're still going to see or Tagus grappling with her PTSD. But I somehow missed, and I feel kind of I realized now because I thought that that Chimera blossom. I thought the whole point of that was that it was it would take all the bad Gorn DNA out of Battel. So I somehow missed how they how she's now going to become a human Gorn hybrid. So I don't know if they did. They did a good job of suggesting that to us, But as Captain Betel said, I never lied to you, and they never lied to us. They never said it would take it away. They just said he would treat it.

1:16:27 Ah, yeah, that's what I Yeah. But also with the captain Bitha was her name. She didn't hate Benga because he killed her father. It's like she wanted to do it because she hated him. She considered him a trader, so he took away her honor by assassinating her father. So I thought that was interesting because when I first saw that, I was expecting her to want to get revenge because you know, the whole uh my name is Captain Bitha, you murdered my father, prepared to die type of that type of thing. But no, she was mad at him because he took away her you know, her ability, you know, her desire to be able to assassinate her father.

1:17:26 But the whole zombie thing, yeah, I well there, First off, there was a there's a whole series called The Walking deads zombies have been have been popular. I don't know if that show is still on, but it's it's been out there for a while. But just at the turn, oh that scene where she's killing the zombies, Bitha is and then she knocks that one down and stomps on his head. I just went I screamed out loud. That was just so gross. So I give them props to their their special effects and everything, but I could have done without all the all the gore and everything. But overall, I think I would rate it about maybe an eight.

1:18:17 Maybe I would have given it more if there hadn't been zombies, but still was action packed. So that I'm still a very respectable score. Nonetheless, well David, you had you had something you wanted to add. Yeah, yeah, So first before I get into all the fun theories that I had, I think this episode misch a really big opportunity, Like with Paul was saying about before the whole zombie thing. No, it didn't get it for me, and they should have gone for like some sort of ancient cleanon monster or something and their history that they could have done instead of bombies.

1:19:00 I mean to me. Yeah, anyways, that whole thing is weird. But I do have a picture to show you all because I think I know what happened to Bettel when she, if she ever does get turned into a zombie, and I think she's going to become this little guy just saying it's a theory, but it could be a working theory. I don't know if it's going to be something that they're going to be doing, but just the fact that it makes sense of how slow she's going she doesn't want to kill. Code outfit in her quarters in the closet. I mean, I think you're onto something, David. I'm pretty sure she wore that to like one cocktail thing it bikes, you know, dinner.

1:19:44 I think that you crack the code man? Are you a secret writer? On? Are you a spy from Paramount? Plus David not. Saying anything but no, but yeah, it would be really funny if they did go that direction. I would laugh out loud. And but other than that, yeah, to me, I, like I said before, I did not like the dom Beat. I don't like horror movies at all in general, And like what you were saying that discussion part would uh, I think we wanted to clean on she stepped on the dom be head was like, what was that? Jelly? But I mean.

1:20:25 To me, though. There was a there was a couple of interesting parts. It actually surprised me that she was the daughter of the Cleanon ambassador. I actually liked that, and I enjoyed the whole talk between Pike and Battel that was an interesting going and also between Pike and uh and Benga on the shuttle and back. But honestly, this episode in general, I thought it was really interesting that they decided to go with zombies that it doesn't work for me. I'm sorry if I'm pretty much off, but why it could have gone with like something better way rats, I guess I don't know, but yeah, over, I don't want to take too much time. But to me this particular episode, I'm going to be giving it a I'm gonna be giving it a shick point eight. I think I just can't go any higher than that. To me, it's just nombies is just not fun for me.

1:21:29 It could just be that, like, you know, I mean, we're supposed to be a deep space right and you know, deep intergalactic explorers, right, and zombies is such a you know, homegrown thing, right. It's part of our you know, pop culture, So it doesn't seem like it's a very outer space thing, right. It's just like it's not doesn't seem alien or creative. It just seems boring compared to like, you know, the countless exciting. Like, well, they have a cute necrosis of the you know, it's just. It's just it just it's all familiar, right, It's just like, you know, yeah. Technically, if we want to get technical, anybody watching The Last of Us?

1:22:10 Yeah, oh yeah, no, yes, maybe no. Yeah, So these actually weren't zombies like on The Walking Dead. These were more like the like the the creatures we see on the Last of Us because they were infected with the plant DNA and they were no longer humans. They were actually plant people and not actually zombies like technicality, but zombi. They were more plant than people. That's why they didn't register on the tricorder. They were more like right right, okay, yeah, they were the creatures on Last of Us that were interconnected through the roots of the planet type of deal. Not that changes anything, yeah, but still slightly different.

1:22:55 I just wanted to throw that in there. So all right, well, charge you get to bring up the caboose on the Zombies, buddy. All right. That's when I'm surprised, because I thought Eric or Paul would come up with a reference to why the episode was titled this way, and I find it while trying to find easter eggs. This is the reference to the actor can for Heat, famous for his role in Dawn of the Dead. So they've taken that actor's name combined it. That's where the title of the planet comes from.

1:23:36 This but the shuttle ride is five minutes out of the episode. It doesn't make any sense to name it after the shuttle ride there. It's like saying, you know, it's like, you know, if like we named this episode of the podcast difficulty Logging onto Riverside, right, I mean, it's just it's a lot more happens beyond that. It seems like a silly title. I agree. Well, and they referenced to a zombie somebody known for being a zombie from a zombie movie. Yeah, I think I agree with the group. It's a trope that I don't think we really need to go back to. I think.

1:24:18 They weren't formally zombies. But I think Lower Deck did a better job of how they had the zombies zombie Phi the crew like they did with Station with. Eighty. But I think Eric kind of I wondered why I referenced the. Vulcan Ritual of Death because I was doing a search and it's like, Okay, she wants. She's trying to get her honor backed by trying to kill her father, so she wants to kill her father's killer. And I was trying to find a good ritual of death for Klingons and I couldn't find one. You have the ritual when a Klingon is being sent to Stovercore. But I've never found really any reference to a Clingon wanting the death of another of somebody else because of what they did, the protecting their families, protecting the family's name, which is why I came up with that one item.

1:25:39 It's like, okay that. I'm not sure where that specific, because I know that there's all kinds of clingon rights, playing on rituals, and a lot of them all came from DS nine, so not from TNNG, but from DS nine. I do like the argument that they hit with why Spock and Mandega should go down there, because we go back to the era of Kirk not Kirk, Pike not Pike John looked Bacard, where the captain didn't go down to a daring, dangerous situation, and so it's rare to send a captain down when they could get hurt. And yet Pike's going to risk himself for this mission, of course, knowing he's going to have to come back because he's got plot armor. But I thought the conversation between the he and the doctor got interesting. But I think we could see a little bit of Pop Pikes blind sidedness that of trying to protect the real friend, and then of course the conversation.

1:27:05 I think one of the things in this episode that kind of threw me off, which is Una changed her hairstyle. It might have been for the episode with that zero one, but just kind of threwing me out. It's like, Okay, I'm so used to her having her hair down. All of a sudden her hair is up. It's like, okay, that's it. Kind of threw me on her character just a little bit. But overall, I think everybody's kind of said most of what's gonna be said on this episode. I'm gonna kind of agree with Eric on this one and go with a seven. This was definitely not one of my more favorite episodes.

1:27:52 Still not not not too shabby. Seven's not bad at all, not bad at all. So over all, how do we compare to our Minions? Charles Well, Our Minions gave this a six point nine and the host gave it a seven point eight. M so not too far off the fans. All right, So that wraps up our review of Shuttle to con for a And you know what time it is. Now it's time for our Star Trek birthdays.

1:28:51 That was waiting for the transmission to Cocket, right. All right, every our Star Trek Birthdays. And we start off with remembering those members of our Start Trek family who, sadly enough, are no longer with us, and for that we turned to Eric. Yeah. This week we start our remembrances with actress Phyllis Douglas. She is the actress who played Yeoman Mears in the original series first season episode The Galileo Seven and Mayvig in the third season episode The Way to Eden. Interesting fact about her, she actually made her acting debut at two years old in that classic Gone with the Win from nineteen thirty nine. Happy Birthday, Phyllis Douglas, Happy Birthday.

1:29:35 As well to Jacqueline Brooks, the actress who played Admiral Brand in the Next Generation fifth season episode The First Duty Before Anybody Asks. She's one of the good ones. Yeah, probably one of my favorite admirals. In fact, John Luke Picard called her a formidable woman. She's done some movies along the way. Not too many things on her IMDb, but you can go check her out. Jacqueline Brooks lost back in twenty thirteen at the age of eighty two years old. Happy birthday to her. Happy birthday as well to palaw Pilar Sarat, the actress who played Cybo in the Original series second season episode Wolf in the Fold.

1:30:20 One of my favorite things about this actress is that she's an immigrant. She came from the Philippines and contributed tons of stuff to American culture after she came over. So many movies, so many television shows, I can't even begin to name them. You should go check out her IMDb. She's been gone a long time though, twenty four years lost back in two thousand and one at the young age of sixty two years old. Happy birthday to Pilar Sarat. Happy birthday as well to Celeste Yarnall, the actress who played Yeoman Martha Landon in the TOS second season episode The Apple. I remember actually seeing her on Bewitched. She was on that show every once in a while, but she was also on shows like Man from Uncle and Bonanza and landed the Giants along the Way. She actually had a role in the Charles Bronson action film The Mechanic also, and if you haven't seen The Mechanic, highly recommend it. Celesti Yarnall lost back in twenty eighteen. Happy Birthday to her. Happy birthday as well to Catherine Hayes, the actress who played Gem as named by our Good Doctor McCoy in the TS third season episode The m Path.

1:31:35 She of course was born Kay Piper and did lots of guest starring along the Way, but definitely best well known for her role as kim On As the World turns for guess how long twenty eight years. Let's see what's on that soap opera. Catherine Hayes lost just three years ago in twenty twenty two. Happy Birthday to her Eric. I just wanted to add something here that the episode that she's in Jem is really not one of the better Star Trek episodes. I think most fans would agree, but her performance in this episode, without saying a single word, I think is one of the strongest performances we've seen from a Star Trek guest actor, and I think she did a phenomenal job of acting without speaking, so I think she was a great, great, great actress.

1:32:28 Awesome. Thanks for that, Jim Gay, I totally agree with you. Moving along, Happy birthday to Biff Elliott, the actor who played Schmidter in the two US first season episode The Devil in the Dark. I know I always say this when this episode comes up, but definitely one of my favorite episodes of TOS. I remember seeing it myriad times as a child in the children's department of my public library. This guy also has a pretty good resume. You should go check it out. One of the things that I just noticed is that he has starred and guest starred with so many other people from Star Trek. He's worked with Jeffrey Hunter and other stuff. He's worked with Billy Quinn and other stuff. William Campbell said, Hey, Diana Muldar and Mark Leonard where he was in Back from Back to Planet of the Apes. So lots and lots of cool tie ins with other Star Trek actors. Bif Elliott lost back in twenty twelve at the age of eighty nine.

1:33:24 Happy birthday to him. Happy birthday as well to Bruce Watson, the American actor who played Green and the m One thirteen Creatures assumed form of Green in the TOS first season episode The Man Trap. This guy mostly starred as an expendable. You look at his resume and he was constantly dying. Kind of a funny thing. But he also did voiceover work for children's shows, so kind of a neat like, you know, I die all the time, but I take care of children. Bruce Watson very interesting actor. You should go check him out as well. Lost back in two thousand and nine. And he's not a red shirt. He's not I know, he's a gold shirt and he still died.

1:34:06 Yeah, he's a gold Shirt and he still died. Figure that one out. And last, but not least, I would like to extend my most sincere congratulations and like awe inspiring, Like this guy just really I think is fantastic and I still can't believe he's gone. I remember when he died back in twenty twenty two. We are celebrating this week the Happy the birthday of David Warner, who was born just two days ago on July twenty ninth in nineteen forty one. He, of course, is the English actor who played Saint John Talbot in Star Trek five. He also played the Klingon Gorkon, probably one of the coolest Klingons we've ever seen, in Star Trek six The Undiscovered Country. But he's probably best well known in Star Trek for his role as Goal Madrid in the Next Generation six season episode His Chain of Command Parts one and part two. He actually replied reprised the role of the Klingon gor Khan for a video game called Star Trek Klingon Academy as well. In terms of his role as Goal Madrid, I just wanted to note that he took over the role of Goal Madrid on three days notice, and though he had previously appeared in Star Trek five, in Star Trek six he knew nothing about Cardassians, so he, you know, to be able to do that and then to come out and just give a performance like that, I think is something

1:35:37 super duper special. Another cool role that I just wanted to give him a little shout out for was he did the voiceover work he'd play in Batman, the animated series. He played ros Al Ghoul, and if you don't know who that is, you need to go get some Batman lore under your belt. A very important character in the Batman Universe and Batman, the animated series widely seen as probably one of the best animated series ever produced for a comic book character. The hits just keep on coming. We're talking Wore, the Roses, tron Brains, the Lost World, the Hunger. He was on Babylon five. He actually was on an episode of Doctor Who from season eight as well, excuse me, series eight. So David Warner just really something else and he has absolutely missed. He did live to be eighty years old. Happy birthday to him and that everybody does it for our remembrances.

1:36:33 This week Start five the Final Frontier. Yeah, I mean yea favorite. Yeah, I know, we always so. Yeah, birthday though. Ted Cassidy is in there. Oh did I miss Ted Cassidy yea oh sorry, yeah, look at that. I put him in there just for you because I know you like him. Well I do. I guess I missed that when I was doing my notes. Sorry about that, guys. So yeah. Ted Cassidy the actor who played Rock in the cos first season episode What Are Little Girls Made Of and also did voice over roles for the Gordon Captain and Arena and Baila's puppet in the Corp of My maneuver, and I, of course also know him as the butler from Adam's Smiley Alerts, Good old Alerts. Yeah, I think he was in like here. Oh yeah, I'm looking at the thing here.

1:37:34 Yeah. Harry and the Hunters I remember are not Harry Oh no, six million dollar man. Oh I thought he was in Harry and Henderson's anyway, Ted Cassidy would I had a birthday this week as well? Sorry I missed that one along the way. That does it for our remembrances this week, So I passed this over to Charles. Now, Charles take it away, buddy. Well, thank You've only got a couple of them on my list today. Let's start off with a happy birthday to Michael Welsh, actor played Armis in Star Trek Insurrection. He won a Young Artist Award in the category Best Performance in a Featured Film Supporting Young Actor. Star Trek Insurrection was his first feature film. Next, Happy Birthday.

1:38:25 That I'm in. Somalian model, an actress who played Martia in Star Trek six. The Undiscovered Country. Is Immon Ammon Himan. Okay, and my last one is a very happy birthday. Nana Visitor, American actress best known for a betrayal as a major later Colonel Kierra Nouris in DS nine and lower. Paul Who's on your list?

1:39:06 Thank you, Charles. First of all, let's have happy birthday to actress Deirdre Immersheine, actress who played Joe Ball in the Next Generation's third season episode Captain's Holiday and Wattley in Deep Space nine's fifth season episode Trials and Tribulations. Get it a huge happy birthday to the luminous Summer Glow, American actress and dancer, best known for her role as River Tam in the short lived science fiction series Firefly and follow up movie Serenity that has since become one of the great iconic cult properties of all time. Here in Oregon, Brown Coats, as we're affectionally referred to, are numerous and quite fond of the show. Summer Glass pretty awesome.

1:39:52 And then she also played that sort of very fascinating element of character Cameron Terminator the Sarah's Connor Chronicles. It's been a lot of bad Terminator movies over the last few years, but The Sarah Connor Chronicles is pretty freaking cool, and if you've not watched it, I definitely recommend seeking it. Out. It gives you the terminator hook you've been missing. So Summer Glau, you were amazing. I'm not coming on the show letting this interview a little bit. I think that would be a time well spent, iconic luminary that you are. Going back to the original series third season episode. A lot of Troyas give it up for a tremendous performer Franz Nian who was just really brought the heavy power in that episode. Really really great performance and great themetical legacy as well. So great to celebrate you, France, and happy birthday. I'd be worth it also to pop culture Mayhem, Marieker and indelible part of the Star Trek universe. We're talking about the great Will Wheaton actor and writer see Crusher on the first two fourth seasons of Next Gen and then returned as a guest star at least four more times twice in the fifth season, twice and seventh.

1:41:11 That appears in the series Picard and season two of Star Trek Prodigy. So it's just now getting rid of Will Wheaton, who knows his nerddom backwards, forwards and sideways, and there's always weighing in on various aspects of the Star Trek and science fiction Universe. Will Wheaton. We salute you, sir. So that's it for my birthday shenanigans this week. Let's pass it back over to Klingon covering Uncle Jim Blah. I don't have any Klingons, but I did want to mention a terminator. I met Summer Glad at a convention last summer, and the funny thing about it is she was there with her two daughters and I overheard a conversation that they were having at the table where her daughters thought she was kind of dork he playing a terminator on Sarah Kannor Chronicles. And I was like, that's the one thing I would never think of saying to a terminator, geez.

1:42:07 Your dork. It just it just caught me off guard because we're all standing on the line as a bunch of dorks to meet the dorky woman that the kids thought was turky. I just that was just humorous for me. So Summer Glau was awesome, and I just wanted to share that brief little story. So I don't have any Klingons on my list, unfortunately, but I do have an awesome vampire on my list. Another individual that had the pleasure of meeting at a convention and he was really cool. We want to say happy birthday to the awesome Chris Sarandon, and there he is, right there on the screen. He's the Academy Award nominated actor who voice actor who played Martis Mazare and Deep Space nine second season episode Rivals.

1:42:53 But I know him from Fright Night and I had the opportunity of seeing The Princess Bride for the first time. Was it last year or the year before, Eric, I don't. Just a couple of years ago at this point. Yeah, I had never seen it and I watched it, and of course he's in that movie as well, so inconceivable. So happy birthday to Chris sarandim the next one on my list. We want to say Happy birthday to Mary Wiseman and there she is on the screen. Of course, she played Sylvia Tilly and Star Trek Discovery, and she's going to be in Starfleet Academy as well, coming up in twenty twenty six. And I think one of the things about Mary wise character that we all talked about when she was on Discovery is I feel that she was put on the show for us because she was so easily relatable to fans because she wasn't you know, the clean cut, decisive officer that we see. She was a little bit awkward and she had a lot of growing and a lot of learning to do on the show, and I think a lot of us could relate very well to her character. So happy birthday to Mary Wiseman.

1:44:07 And the last one we said happy birthday to the original Lurch, mister Ted Cassidy. Well we want to say happy happy birthday and kapla to the awesome, the incredible, the Great Carl strike In Dutch actor known to Star Trek fans for playing Losana, Troy's assistant and valet mister Holme and five episodes of TNG. He also played the Specter and voyager second season episode The Thaw. I know him as lerch from the Adams Family. If you guys look at that picture on the screen right now, in the bottom right hand corner, that guy might look familiar to you. That's me and my wife Karen, and that's Carl Striking standing between us at my wedding. Yes, Carl Strichen was at my wedding, and there's a proof right there.

1:44:59 I was pashing Star Trek Convention and we rented the entire hotel for the whole weekend. Decided we would get married on Friday night because they gave us the room for free. Carl Striking just showed up at my wedding. He walked in and luckily the wedding band knew who he was. They played the Star Trek song. He walked around all the tables, shook hands with my family, all my guests, posed for a picture for our wedding album. There he is. He is the sweetest, nicest man you would ever want to meet in your life. I know he's very tall and very you know, imposing, but he is so sweet.

1:45:39 He is so down to earth and he is so awesome. So happy Happy birthday to Carl Striking. And that wraps up our Stars Trek birthdays for the week. Guys, next week we'll have some more for you, but for the time being, that'll do it. And now it is time to move on to our Star Trek news. We have two stories, but I think there's some good ones. Iriorready, one message from Starfleet coming in on secure channel incoming transmission enter authorization code command codes verified, define parameters of program. Level nine authorization required.

1:46:21 Specifying parameters transfer updata is complete. A blank alert, blank alert. All right, guys, the Star Trek stories that we're about to talk about you can find in their entirety and our Trek Talking and Beyond Facebook page. And I apologize I put them out of order because the first news story should go to Eric and it's our classic, classic one that we like to do when we get a chance, and I will let Eric take it away from here. Okay, we like to start with the Shatter says what story? Yes, four year old Hollywood legend opens up about years long health struggles. A slightly more serious Shatner says what This week The Star Trek Legend partnered up with tonightis Quest, a nonprofit organization creating awareness around the chronic medical condition that causes a constant ringing in the ears. The Mayo Clinic reveals that it quote is especially common in older adults and can be caused by an underlying condition such as age related hearing loss, an ear injury, or a problem with the circulatory system. The ninety four year old actors shared that he's battled the ear issue after a Special effects explosion on the set of the sci fi show while filming the Arena episode way back in nineteen sixty six, he says, over the years, I've had many

1:47:51 ups and many downs with my tanitis. Shatner says, I know from first hand experience just how difficult it can get. I've also observed how Tonightas has affected friends and colleagues. It's a diverse condition that comes in different degrees of severity. About one to two percent of the population suffers from a chronic, debilitating form of tonightas. There are no effective treatments, and that's why we need more research. Shatner is hoping that his involvement with Tonight's Quest will advance the organization's simple and bold goal of silencing Tonight's once and for all by funding innovative research.

1:48:34 Wow. Nice to hear Shatner open up about this part of himself. I had not heard about that about him until this particular article. And you know, it is a very debilitating thing. I think we had a little internal chat here, or some of us might have that occasionally happens v you were talking about. Well, it's yeah, it does not occasionally, it's non stop and yeah, that well, if I if I have a chance when I go to that UH con in New Jersey in September, Patner is supposed to be there, and this is I just only recently learned he suffers from it.

1:49:14 I don't remember exactly when mine started. It could have been when I had COVID when it before, you know, right in the very beginning. That's weird. It's like, yeah, how can you not notice when you've got you know, ringing in your ears? But anyway, I appreciate that he's trying to do something, you know, partner with his tonight's quest because it would be nice if it if it would just stop for you know, five minutes. But anyway, I appreciate his work. Yep, A big deal. Okay, So that does it for our Shatner says, what segment I will pass my UH news reporter microphone? Is that what I'm using over to my good friend Paul.

1:49:59 Now, thanks, big man, appreciate it. Okay. We have. And how strange New Worlds, which is only just recently returned to our airwaves. How might that end or transition? Let's find out because we recently heard from Akiva Goldsman on how Star Trek Exchanging Worlds might end with Kirk in command. Oh, they gasps, it's so unexpected. Last month, Paramount Plus renewed Star Trek Exchange Worlds for a fifth and final season comprised of six episodes. Following that announcement, executive producer and co showrunner Akiva Goldsman took time at a panel at the Tribeca Film Festival to talk about wrapping up the series by taking it right up to the original series, and even hinted they hope to continue beyond that point. The final season being cut down to six from the usual ten episodes, was a noteworthy part of the official announcement in June. Well, they weren't given a full season. This show fared better than Star Trek Discovery, which was not renewed after work was completed on its sixth season. Following is dialogue from showrunner Akiva Goldsman, Unfortunately, Discovery's loss was our gain. So they basically said, look, we think we're done after four seasons, and we said, hey, what about a whole Let's get the fans to the tos era because what happens to all these people and how does this person and how does this person will

1:51:30 come up lovely? And they were like no, that's fair, that's true. And they said, what do you need to get there? And we said six episodes, and they said, okay, we will take the show to Kirk's first day of command, which is, by the way, not actually the original series. The original series starts a bit into Kirk's command. I think of where no man has gone before, and that's not Kirk's first mission, nor does it feel like Kirk's second mission. Let me put it this way, I certainly wouldn't say no to a follow up show sat on the Enterprise, and so if we can convince people to give us an opportunity to continue these missions, of course, nothing would make us happier. And when the time comes, we will certainly try. And I think there, I mean, it's no you know, big stretch to picture that, right.

1:52:18 I mean, we've just recently brought Scotty on as a recurring character. We haven't seen Paul Wesley yet as Kirk this season. I think we might tonight though, from my information is correct, So I think, you know, within the next year or so. I don't know if we'll see it this season or not. Guaranteed, they're quietly hunting around to figure out who's the best guy to play McCoy. Right, they have Spock, they have Scotti, they have Kirk the right, and they have Chapel. I mean we're pretty much there, right, I mean, that's asking job number one, right, it had to be hard, but of a challenge the top Carl Urban from you know, the JJ Verus, Right, that's that's pretty good casting, I got to say. So, I don't know if they're who they are, and it's a tough act.

1:53:03 A lot of interesting auditions I'm sure down the road quietly happening for that, but I think you know, you could get a lot of mileage. No one really knows exactly how many years that you know that Kirk had in control of the Enterprise before we saw him in where no man has gone before, right, I mean, and this is kind of a different universe take anyway, right, so you can kind of get away as much as you want, right in terms of how any good you know, episodes, good scripts you've got? So what do the other trexperts think? Is this a bad idea? Is it too much familiar ground? Or is it an exciting opportunity to put a fresh spin on familiar topics? What say you? Friends?

1:53:46 Well, I think I think I called this a little while ago. I believe I said this is what they're going to do after watching what they did with Strange New Worlds. When Pike shows up on Discovery, then we got short Treks and we got Strange New Worlds. So I called this a little while ago, and I think it's a great idea. I'm all for it. How about you, v. I'm sure why not because I'm just, well, no, I'm really becoming invested in Christopher Pike, you know, even though I know what's going to happen to him, and that's just going to be I don't know how they're going to handle that, you know, in the show. So something I guess do look forward to and we'll have a discussion on that.

1:54:36 I'm sure, absolutely. How about you, David, Yeah. I'm very excited about it. I just hope that they don't take any of the continuity away from the original tos and try to change stuff. But other than that, yeah, I'm looking forward to it. Charles, what about you? Paul mentioned we're gonna We're still waiting to see our McCoy. I'm also waiting to see our Sulu because Sulu showed up season one. I'm cured to see what our Sulu might. Look like, making me thinking about, Okay, our Tank has just got taken off of rotation for a month where we see him now, we're gonna wait till uh season five, but I'm curious to see how she might end up moving on.

1:55:27 But I'm I wouldn't mind reboot. I think I'd like to see them moving on, maybe. Creating a new series with the new crew in there and kind of merging it with the original toos. I think we got a chance. Let's turn start Trek going. You got the kaboos on his one buddy take it away. You know, I think I would be against this if I didn't love so many of these actors in the way that they're portraying these characters. I mean, every single character that we've got on this picture here is totally killing it. And I like the new take on Kirk. He's he's different from William Shattner's take, and that refresh feels really good to me. So yeah, I'm I'm excited about this. I'm also with David. You know, when I think of the word reboot, I think of redoing the same thing over again. I don't think that's what they're actually talking about. They're just talking about bringing the story up to the point that we've already seen back in where no man has gone before. So is that really a reboot? To me, it's just filling in the gaps.

1:56:36 So I'm all for filling in the gaps. All right, we have a new Gary Mitchell, right, I mean there that would be you'd have to be part of the crew, that's right, Mitchell. Yep, yeah, because they're really really. Right. I mean they've they're total all that history. Kirk's old girlfriend Ruth, who we hear a lot about in short leaves, who is a indelible character. You're a big part of his past. You know, that's all stuff that there's room to maneuver with, right, Finny, you know, there's a lot of stuff that could get involved in so it could be interesting. Yep. Absolutely, So let's look wait, wait, wait and see what happens.

1:57:19 Wait you know what, guys, can you believe it? Another show has come and gone? So uh, you know, walk, don't run to your TV, fire up your Paramount Plus and watch tonight's episode. You won't be disappointed. So I want to take this opportunity to say thank you so much to Paul for hanging out and trek talking with us tonight. Thank you so much, Paul. Times been pleasure, and thank you to. V for hanging out with us tonight. Thank you, v Oh, thank you, and thank you so much to David for being our miracle worker. Thank you. You were missed last week. David. Thank you so much. Yeah, it's been fun. And thank you so much. To Charles for hanging out and chatting with us. Thank you, Charles.

1:58:02 It's always fun. And of course, last but not LEAs, thank you so much to Eric for hanging out and trek talking with us. Thank you so much, Eric, You betcha fun. Times is always guy. Always fun. You guys are awesome. I got the best, the best crew in all of Starfleet, so I'm your most excellent host. Uncle Jim saying everybody please please stay safe and be good to each other. Remember Star Trek fans are the best fans, Live long and prosper. Good night, everybody, live long and all stagers. I'm ready for departure. Son, some problem RCA, just hoping this isn't the usual way of missions will go, said, Oh, no, number what I'm sure most will be much more interesting.

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