Aug. 3, 2025

Episode 648 - SNW review "Shuttle to Kenfori"

Episode 648 - SNW review "Shuttle to Kenfori"
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In this episode of Trek Talking and Beyond, Uncle Jim and the cohosts engage in lively discussions about the latest happenings in the Star Trek universe, including fan shoutouts, the new Starfleet Academy trailer, and an in-depth analysis of the latest episode of Strange New Worlds, "Shuttle to Kenfori". They explore character development, the integration of Klingon elements, and the use of zombie tropes, while also emphasizing community engagement and fan feedback. The conversation highlights the diverse opinions within the Star Trek community and celebrates the legacy of the franchise. In this episode, the hosts delve into the character development and storytelling of 'Strange New Worlds,' particularly focusing on the relationships between characters like Pike and Battelle. They critique various elements of the episode, including the use of zombies as a trope and the misleading title. The discussion also touches on the significance of Star Trek birthdays and the legacy of its actors, as well as Shatner's advocacy for tinnitus awareness. Finally, they speculate on the future of the series and the potential for familiar characters to return. HIT IT!
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You talk about the series, about the series, talk.

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About this.

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Now.

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Well, good evening, Trekkies and trekkers around the globe. Welcome

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to episode six and forty eight of Trek Talker. I'm

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your most excellent host, Uncle Jim. Welcome to the show.

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Before we get too far, like to introduce to you

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my awesome, my incredible trek experts, and we're collected from

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around the globe. We're going to start out Didion say

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hello to Victoria.

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How you doing tonight?

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V I'm great in the midst of a thunderstorm, but

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hopefully it'll bring cooler temperatures tomorrow.

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We are expecting the first dry weekend since December. Oh wow,

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I'm kind of psyched about going up to without the rain,

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might actually be able to have a campfire, make some schmores.

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Who knows, we'll see kind of sight. And we're going

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to swing out to Las Vegas and say hello to Charles.

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How you doing tonight, Charles.

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I'm doing good. Well, you're getting the wet spell, we're

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getting the dried spell, but at least we're not getting

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the scorching heat.

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True at, my friend, True that.

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And now we're going to go all the way over

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to Portland, where we have my trifecta, my triple play,

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my hat trick, if you will, We'll start off with Eric,

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how you doing tonight?

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Eric doing pretty good man, Just tracking tectonic plate movements

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up here in the Northwest, hoping that big tsunami doesn't come.

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That was a pretty bod earthquake out in the Pacific.

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There, Yeah, I heard about that. That's yeah.

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And also out in Portland we have the toy guy himself.

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Paul to Paul, I'm doing good, my friend, I'm doing good.

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Crazy Week, Crazy Week, shameless interruption. I saw a fantastic

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four this week and it was most excellent, surpassed my

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wildest expectations. So was it fantastic. For some, it was fantastic.

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If you something really entertaining at the big screen and

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you've said, oh, the MCU is dead. It's been forever,

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it's just you know, pasting on fumes for the last

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ten years. This is a little bit of a resurrection,

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so pretty exciting. It was very entertaining, So I would

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definitely encourage all of our our legions of afficionados to

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go out there and.

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Check it out.

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Fantastic for and we're wrapping things off out in Portland

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as well. We have a very own miracle worker David.

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How you doing tonight, David, Yes you are. We missed

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you last week for sure. I'm glad you're back though.

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Now we can have some videos and some fun which

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is great. Hey, you guys can go over to Trick

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Talking dot com and you can find access to all

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of our podcasts and bios and pictures of all of

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my awesome co hosts.

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We'll be adding.

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Victoria to that very very shortly. You can also support

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us while you're there by becoming a Patreon and a

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Patreon I'm sorry at our Patreon page, which Charles runs

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for us for only two dollars a month. You can

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help us run this podcast, or you can make a

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one time donation through PayPal. All that information can be

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found at Trek Talking dot com. On tonight's show, YEP,

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Strange New World is back and we're going to be

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talking about a shuttle to Confa tonight. So have your

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Klingon whips ready because we're going to be them out

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and whipping them into shape. We also have our fans

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shout outs. That's where we thank fans like you all

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around the world for listening and supporting this podcast. And

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we have some Strange New Worlds polls this week, something

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a little different. Let's see season four. We're going to

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see the Muppets on Star Trek, kind of like Pigs

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in Space. For those of you old enough to remember that.

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I did, Yes, I had.

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I had the notebook because they had for school. You

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could get the notebooks with Pigs in Space.

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You got to say it.

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Space and the name of the vehicle that they flew around,

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don't you.

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I know that Paul does the US bacon.

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Or nomber.

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Oh gosh, what was it called?

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I know it was.

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I know that the lead who was linked hog Throb.

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The Mighty Their Mighty ship was the swine track, what

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is wrong with me?

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Mm hmmm? Wow?

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And Pet you know the salary here, that's all I'm doing.

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Wait, you get paid.

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I get the scraps from Jim's table.

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What Lea doesn't want? And we also Starfleet Academy. We're

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going to play that trailer and talk about that and

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see what you guys thought about it as well.

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And what Star Trek actors do you share a birthday with?

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Find out on our Star Trek birthdays and just what's

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going on around the Star Trek universe. Could there be

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a Star Trek tos reboot in the works.

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I don't know.

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You'll have to hang out to find out. And while

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you're over at trek talkin dot com, you'll see a

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link there to our Facebook page, which of course is

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Trek Talking and beyond. When you get there, pin to

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the top of the page you'll see the live Long

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and prosper post, and on there we ask you guys,

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where are y'all listening from? I just drop us a

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little note and I will tell you. Emojis get my attention.

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So if you leave lots of emojis, see a heart

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next to your name from yours truly Uncle Jim, then

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you are going to be featured on a fan shout out.

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So without any further ado, Eric, would you like to

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get us started with our fans shoutouts this week?

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I absolutely would. I'm gonna spin this globe over to

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approximately seven thousand miles southwest of where I am and

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say hello this week to jan Lee Graville, who's saying

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hello to us this week from Queensland, Australia. Thank you

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so much for supporting us in that most remote and

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amazing part of the world. I mean remote from my

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standpoint right, it's like seven thousand miles away. Thanks Janley

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for supporting our podcast saying hello this week as well

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to Mike Koshan who's saying hello to us from Oxford

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over there in the UK. We have lots of support

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over there in the UK and we appreciate Mike being

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part of that band of crazy people who actually listen

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to us, but staying right there on the same island.

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We're going to say this week.

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Hello.

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Hello this week to David Wallin's Craft who's in Manchester

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in Lancashire, UK. He says, y'all live long and prosper

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Spock would say with hand salute and they sent us

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a uh, looks like a weightlifting person, a muscle thing,

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some praying hands, a fox, and a be kind of random,

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but I kind of like it. David, thank you so

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much for saying.

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Can I ask a quick question by polite interruption? Yes,

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gentlemen's middle name is Wollstone. Yeah, wasn't that Mary Shelley's

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middle name or her maiden name Wollstone.

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I believe that's sounds familiar. You're right, yeah, is.

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There a potential relationship here, David? Are you related to

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the creator of Frankenstein? Please chime in on our Facebook

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page and let us know.

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That would be really cool.

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That would be a pretty awesome plank to fan brother.

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No wonder you know.

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Sorry that attention by the way, Yeah, Frankenstein, his.

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Name caught my attention, Mike.

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No, you're right, and I just reread that and I

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read now I've already forgotten name of it. But I

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just read another Mary Shelley book, the one where there's

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like a plague and it takes out the whole planet.

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You can't think of that one anyway, she wrote, she

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wrote an apocalypse book too, So last but not least,

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I'm going to spin that glow back over to this

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side of the planet and go pretty far south of

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where I particularly am and say hello to Rick Fuintes,

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who says that he's retired and he's hanging out in Panama.

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I'm sure it's amazing down there. Rick, Thank you so

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much for supporting us from that most narrow of countries. Charles,

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who would you like to say hello to?

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Oh?

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Thank you Eric. Let's start off with Joey Denny. It's

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from Florida.

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You're staying cool, Joey. Welcome to Chris Heron from Athens, Tennessee.

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Welcome Chris.

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Welcome, Jamie Freeman Upton from Southeast Louisiana, sixteen miles north

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of New Orleans. I got to make a trip back

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to New Orleans eventually. And welcome to Ali Rise from Oregon.

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I wonder, Ali, if you know the guys so v

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who's on your list?

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Well, the top fan is Jerry Rowe from Indiana, USA.

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Then we have somebody that's in our neighbor to the north,

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Steve Crowell from Ontario, Canada. A he put the A there,

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so I didn't just say that. Then gosh, wow, just

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up the road for me at Top Fan Lee Copeland. Hi, Lee,

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you are in Portsmouth, Virginia. I'm just not too far

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in Williamsburg. So glad to have you here. And then

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different sort of Panama, but we have Scott Montgomery Sr.

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Panama City Beach, Florida, the future home of Charles trip

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Tucker the Third. All right, onto you, Paul, thank.

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You, I appreciate that. Let's first of all, let's leave

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these United States and head over to the Many European

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continent and say hello to our good buddy Tom Ross

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from the region of ham in North Rhine Westphalia, Germany.

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There where there is history everywhere you look. Amazing part

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of the universe to live in. So great to hear

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from you, Tom, Thanks for checking in a little bit.

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Further down the road we go to beautiful Italia, where

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the flag is always shining in the sun proudly. And

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our friend Alice Confalonieri is in Italia. Doesn't say where,

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but sure and be you're residing there, my friend, What

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a wonderful place. Going over to Brazilia. Over there into

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the storied municipality of Campeignas in the city state of

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sal Paolo. We have Alexandro Pitarello there, who's giving us

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just about every kind of gang sign you could see,

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including the famous Livelong and prosper So.

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A lot of great.

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Signage there, Alexandro. Great to hear from you and back.

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These are in no particular order, or you would get

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whiplash really quickly if you tried to travel this way,

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because we're going back to Europe again, to Antwerp in Belgium,

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to Gunter Bolansei where he is also residing there with

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the flag of Belgique there to honor his homeland. So

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wonderful to hear from everyone here. Great to see that

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there is enthusiasm for Star Trek and shamelessly this podcast

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all over the entire planet, Isn't that right?

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Uncle Jim, Absolutely, Paul and I'm going to continue on

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by thanking our fans. We want to say thank you

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to Lauren Well and Williams who's listening to us in Florida,

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US of A. We also have Zachary Giandelli who says

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he's from Jersey.

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Baby, I love it, love it, love it.

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We also want to say thank you to Alan Stevens

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from Samford, Maine, home of Stephen King. I believe he's

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from Maine, and the last but not least George Aglar

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from Texas. If you guys like to be featured on

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a future fan shout out just total Facebook page look

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for to live long prosper, tell us where you're from

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and leave lots of emojis. Please, if you see an emoji,

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tune into the next show you'll be featured. But more

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than that, look at that awesome picture. Incredible that was

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me and my wife and my daughter meeting Gates McFadden

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up at Trek Conder Roga. You guys can send us

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a picture and it'll be right up there on the

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screen with all these awesome pictures which you guys can't

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see unless you visit Charles to become a Patreon. So

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patron at our Patreon page. Anyways, without any further ado,

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I think it's time for some Star Trek polls. What

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do you guys think? Sure, Unfortunately I still have I

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still have David cued up here from last week.

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There we gonn.

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You know me like no win, but you thought about

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the show when we try to share your opinions with

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all of our minions out there because they listen worldwide.

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So tell us just what you think.

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Get together we will alter Canara and robulin.

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A still love that song. Eric, you got to come

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up with a to go along with it, all right,

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So David do your magic, buddy, and so.

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We begin.

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I'm Captain allah Ka, Chancellor of Starfleet Academy. We're all

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the first Academy class to return to our campus in

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San Francisco after.

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More than one hundred and twenty years.

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Some of you are here for your families, some for yourselves. Together,

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you were the best and the brightest from across the galaxy, the.

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Tapestry that is Starfley. You were along the skills that.

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Shape our greatest officers.

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Like them, lest you to give more of yourselves.

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Than you know, you had.

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To dream without limitations. Whatever challenges came before today.

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Led you to this woman.

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You here.

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Now you weave together at the future.

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So go out and seek, explore, probably go when no

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one has gone before. It is my great honor, So

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welcome you all to Starfleet Academy.

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All right, So I guess you guys can figure out

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what our poll is, right, Eric? Yeah?

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Absolutely? That was the amazing Starfleet Academy trailer that was

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dropped at San Diego Comic Con. And so we asked

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now that that trailer has dropped. Plus the Entertainment Tonight

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first look article and photos, how do you feel about

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the new series? And we had seventy seven percent of

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our responders say that they are excited about Starfleet Academy.

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Twenty three percent of our responders gave it a meh,

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So there you go. I, for one, am super excited,

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super glad that we're getting some more thirty second century action.

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Is it just me? Or did that thirty second century

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view of San Francisco just kind of evoked Coruscant? I

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loved all seeing all of those like ridiculously tall buildings,

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but the Golden gate Bridge is still there. I don't know,

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I just so cool. So I'm looking forward to it.

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What about you, Paul, what'd you think? Did the trailer

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do it for you?

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Or was it no?

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I'm pretty optimistic, cautiously optimistic, you know, pretty much always right,

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but the ingredients are there really challenging? Is marketing this

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day and age right? I mean, twenty twenty six seems

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like a long way down the road from now. It's tough.

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It's like I'd almost rather not see a trailer that

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far in advance, because it's like it's like they just

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dropped a little trailer for the Odyssey from Christopher Nolan

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a couple of weeks ago.

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I mean, Paul, for me, are all the articles, like

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the infinite articles that come out that spoil every single character,

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all of the things that are going on, and now

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I have to wait for them.

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And so this is huge, you know about of anticipation

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that goes with it. Right, That makes it challenging to

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get through a long period of time. Right, I'd almost

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rather just you know, give me some stills, very little ink. Right,

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But here's the thing, at the end of the day,

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I have tremendous respect and admiration from both Holly Hunter

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and Paul Giamatti, and I think that they tend to

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really have a lot of haste when it comes to

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what the material they choose to pick. And I'm thinking

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that they didn't sign on for this thing unless there

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was something really worthwhile going on there. So hopefully they

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got a lot, you know, invited to look at a

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lot of scripts, and we're you know, pleased with what

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they saw. So their involvement really helps sell me and

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keep me on the glass half full side. So it's

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a long wait, but you know, the way things tend

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to be right. You blink and it'll be twenty twenty six.

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Sadly before we know it. Time to go much faster

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in reality than we think it does in advance. So

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I think it's going to be exciting. Looks potentially really

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good to me. I love the ending of that trailer.

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That was great. So i'll tell you guys.

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When I saw the trailer dropped when I was at camp,

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so I had to watch it on my phone. I

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got home on Sunday, sat down the to watching the

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big screen. My wife is sitting there scrolling through her

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phone because she doesn't like Star Trek at all, and

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I put the trailer on. She put her phone down

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and looked up and said, what is this? I said,

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this is the new Star Trek series.

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She watched the whole trailer and she says, when does

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that come out?

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That looks really good. I was like, well, twenty twenty six.

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So my wife enjoyed the trailer. So the marketing people,

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you know, pulled some strings right to get my wife

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to put the phone down and watch it. So hopefully

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enough other people felt the same way. We can only

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hope and for me, a klingon, doctor, come on, That's

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all I needed to say. And I've been bitching about

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Star Trek for ages. Give us something new, give us

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something different, And it looks like this trailer. Did we

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have a Gemadar, we have a Klingon, we have a

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holographic character. We have another alien with weird eyebrows.

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We don't know what that is.

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So we're going to see different races, different alien races,

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different characters, and you know, for me, that's what's Star

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Trek is all about. So you know I'm with the

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eighty eight percent of the minions. Bring it on?

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How about U? V Oh?

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Absolutely. I've been a fan of Holly Hunter for years.

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She was in broadcast news raising Arizona. That's a hilarious

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movie if you've never seen it. And the piano. I

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think she's gotten at least one oscar So's Paul Giamatti,

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And even though I've only seen bits and pieces of

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when he was portrayed John Adams, I'd like to see

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the rest of it. I know he's a stellar actor too.

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And whistling the original Star Trek theme at the very end,

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that's intriguing. So I saw an article or a comment

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or something saying that they're wondering if that's going to

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make that music cannon instead of just being, you know,

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a theme song. Is that something in the Star Trek universe?

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Is that music that people know? So I thought that

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was kind of interesting, But yeah, bring it on.

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You know what, I hope it's a fourth wall break

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because those are favorite things.

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Oh, I know right, yes, exactly exactly. And I know

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that Paul Is is a Star Trek fan, so it

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would be great if we could get him on the show,

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him and Holly Hunter. I'd be beside myself.

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I've got I've got some stuff in the works, but

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not that. Okay, So how about you, Charles, what did

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you think you're looking forward to it?

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Oh?

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Definitely.

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You already took a little bit of my steam and

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saying the fact that we've got quite a few new species.

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But I think we can focus on.

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Three second century. We can bring in some new species.

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We could bring in.

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Someone that haven't been around. It's like, oh, whatever happened

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to the species? We the species did evolve and they're

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now a peaceful race. Later on, it's like, Okay, I

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think maybe we need to sit there and show what

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happened on the future. We got to see a little

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teaser discovery. Well, let's see a lot more.

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You know, one thing that I think is really cool

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about the species, Charles, is that you've noticed that all

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of the marketing material is talking about our gem Hdar

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looking character as a gem Hdar Klingon hybrid. And that

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makes a lot of sense because the gem Hdar don't

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reproduce as most Star Trek races do. Right, they're actually clones,

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They're they're grown, So that means that she was specifically

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grown as some kind of hybrid for some reason. So

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she's probably got a cool backstory that I'm interested to learn.

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Ye. That's the kind of good Charles, that's.

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The kind of teasers you want. That's the kind of

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stuff for you're like, oh, I want to know more

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about that. It's like, okay, there you go. Now you

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got now you want. There's a hook.

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And I think they also must have bred out their

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ketchrasell White addiction as well, because I don't think they're

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going to pass out drugs at Star Freed Academy.

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So hope we go.

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You m.

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Yeah, So I'm actually really looking forward to this series.

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I am a little intrigued rab you guys had touched

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on already about the female Drummadar because, as Eric said,

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they were clone bread and from what I understand from

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from memory serves, there were no female Drumadars, but now

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they do have one. And this is gonna be kind

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of interesting to see how her backstory portrayed into why

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that is, and so it's gonna be an interesting take

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on how they come up with that backstory for her.

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But yeah, I think just her character is gonna make

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me want to watch the show to see where they

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take it.

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Shuttle's shee and uh. So that that's our first poll,

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and we have one more. David roll the tape.

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H hit it you you heard me say hit it right?

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Mm hmm.

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Spock anyone did you go to season four without me?

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All right?

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So Eric, what's our poll question?

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That, of course, is the teaser that we got from

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San Diego Comic Con for The Strange New World season four,

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and so we asked, are you looking forward to seeing

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Star Trek Muppets? And eighty eight percent of our respondents

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said heck, yeah, bring on the Muppets and only twelve

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percent said nah, I'm not really interested in those. So

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that's a pretty good response rate. That's a that's at

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least a B plus, not an as on a curve.

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I for one, I'm all about it. Everybody knows I

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like the fun episodes. This looks super duper fun, So

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I can't wait to see what they do with muppets

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and how they explain it.

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Yeah, and these are actually Jim Henson muppets, not you

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know these.

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This is a real deal. So, and I'll say one

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thing I have learned from experience to give strange new

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worlds a chance.

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Because they did a ridiculous singing episode that I just

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thought was gonna be total crap, and it was my

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favorite episode that I've seen so far. So I give

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them every benefit of every doubt. And so, yeah, I

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want to see what they do with the muppets. I'm

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looking forward to it, and I'm sure there's some good story.

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Very star trek Ye and yeah, bring it on, Bring

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it on.

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How about you, Charles?

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Well, gee, do I have any interest in it? As

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my co host? My host and co hosts just have

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to look at the chat and they'll see their answer

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right in the chat.

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Yo.

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Definitely, I'm interested in this.

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I've actually got a blue character that's similar to a

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Muppet and in fact, he's got a lower decked T shirt.

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And I love what Hanson's done with their work. I

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love even the modern day Hanson, what they've been doing

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with their stuff. So you get Hanson's studios in there. Oh, definitely,

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this episode's going to be good. I wonder if that

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twelve percent might be some of those who didn't like

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the musical episode, as I know a.

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Couple of my friends.

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I got a couple of my friends who still have

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not seen that episode because they refuse.

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To see it.

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But that's sad, sad, sad.

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That's they're determined that they've got their expectations and they

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don't want it going below that.

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But for me, oh yeah, I understand completely. But if

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you don't give it a chance, how do you know

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if it's below your expectations? You know, I thought that

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the Subspace Rhapsody was going to be the worst episode

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ever ever. You guys, remember how much I wasn't looking

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forward to it, loved it. If I didn't watch it,

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I wouldn't know how good.

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It really was. So you know, I would watch it.

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Mind after you see it.

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Personally, for me, it's like, okay, can we make a

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spot Muppet and sell it.

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I want it.

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I think they should have a Strange New World's episode

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about a podcast. This is what I think they should do,

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a bunch of podcasters talking about Strange New worlds. That

477
00:29:29.200 --> 00:29:30.200
would be an episode.

478
00:29:31.039 --> 00:29:34.519
Yeah, we would all be muppets.

479
00:29:34.759 --> 00:29:35.640
I would love to see it.

480
00:29:37.000 --> 00:29:39.519
Yeah, I'll get the I'll get the Pike care going on,

481
00:29:41.200 --> 00:29:46.559
Eric can have the Riker beard. Well, V, why are

482
00:29:46.559 --> 00:29:47.839
you looking forward to this episode?

483
00:29:48.039 --> 00:29:52.319
Absolutely? Having been a fan of the Muppets forever and

484
00:29:53.839 --> 00:29:57.839
of course when they did their own little spoof of

485
00:29:58.240 --> 00:30:06.359
Star Trek with pig eggs in space. Yeah, I mean,

486
00:30:07.160 --> 00:30:10.400
I guess the people that said no, maybe they don't

487
00:30:10.480 --> 00:30:16.920
like Muppets, which that just is incomprehensible to me, because

488
00:30:17.640 --> 00:30:20.240
Muppets are great. They make me happy. How can you

489
00:30:20.319 --> 00:30:24.480
not love them? But they definitely got Pike's hair. They

490
00:30:24.559 --> 00:30:28.839
nailed it. So but then I've been a fan of

491
00:30:29.680 --> 00:30:32.519
Pike's peak. Then, like I said, I've been a fan

492
00:30:32.559 --> 00:30:35.359
of Muppets in the original well they were on Sesame

493
00:30:35.480 --> 00:30:39.039
Street and then The Muppet Show and of course all

494
00:30:39.079 --> 00:30:44.559
of his uh with Labyrinth and The Dark Crystal. So

495
00:30:46.640 --> 00:30:53.200
they oh yeah, well yeah, everything everything, The Muppets have

496
00:30:53.359 --> 00:30:56.200
done it just just absolutely amazing.

497
00:30:56.400 --> 00:31:00.920
So they need Stadler and waldor up in the corner

498
00:31:01.039 --> 00:31:03.079
like complaining about everything the bridge crew does.

499
00:31:03.480 --> 00:31:06.319
Yeah, well, I was gonna say. I was going to say,

500
00:31:06.559 --> 00:31:11.039
I know that on the different Star Trek pages that

501
00:31:11.200 --> 00:31:14.279
I follow on Facebook, they are going to be all

502
00:31:14.359 --> 00:31:18.559
these killed joy you know, buzz killed people that say, oh,

503
00:31:18.680 --> 00:31:20.920
this is crapped. You know, this is not Star Trek,

504
00:31:21.720 --> 00:31:23.720
this is you know, but they did. I mean, Star

505
00:31:23.839 --> 00:31:29.599
Trek is about infinite diversity and infinite combinations, so that

506
00:31:29.799 --> 00:31:32.319
is true. What's to say there's not a planet of

507
00:31:32.440 --> 00:31:34.599
Muppets out there in real life?

508
00:31:35.519 --> 00:31:39.640
Yeah, so, David, I think the Muppets might be a

509
00:31:39.880 --> 00:31:43.039
tad before your time. But what do you think.

510
00:31:44.440 --> 00:31:48.400
Oh, I grew up with the Muppet Baby cartoon, so

511
00:31:49.279 --> 00:31:52.319
I love them up bit. In fact, I'm gonna share

512
00:31:52.359 --> 00:31:55.440
a screen for you guys because child's let me go

513
00:31:55.519 --> 00:31:57.400
ahead and shut So this is your child, and here's

514
00:31:57.440 --> 00:31:58.359
little Muppet here.

515
00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:08.519
And uh yeah, yeah, I love don't take this the

516
00:32:08.599 --> 00:32:10.279
wrong way, but he kind of looks like you.

517
00:32:12.119 --> 00:32:13.839
That's the best sort of compliment.

518
00:32:14.720 --> 00:32:17.759
Yeah, I guess I have a puppet.

519
00:32:17.799 --> 00:32:21.920
I don't know, but Yeah, I grew up with puppets

520
00:32:21.960 --> 00:32:27.200
and Muppets. I loved the whole Jim Hension stuff and everything.

521
00:32:27.279 --> 00:32:30.680
I watched every single Muppet movie, including Treasure Island the

522
00:32:30.799 --> 00:32:36.880
Muppet So that was a very interesting movie there on itself.

523
00:32:37.000 --> 00:32:40.759
And yeah, just like with v shehad, you know, Doug Crystal,

524
00:32:40.920 --> 00:32:44.079
that was actually my very favorite favorite movie growing up.

525
00:32:44.319 --> 00:32:48.119
When watching that and being able to watch the TV

526
00:32:48.240 --> 00:32:52.279
shary that came out on Netflix was really fun. So yeah,

527
00:32:52.599 --> 00:32:55.480
I'm excited about the episode. I'm I'm totally with the

528
00:32:55.880 --> 00:32:57.599
fans on this one, and I can't wait to see

529
00:32:57.640 --> 00:32:58.279
what they come up with.

530
00:32:58.559 --> 00:33:02.000
So that was the was the movie with David Bowie

531
00:33:02.119 --> 00:33:03.839
Labyrinth Were those Muppets.

532
00:33:04.839 --> 00:33:10.920
Until and and Gaate McFadden was a choreographer, though she

533
00:33:11.000 --> 00:33:13.640
went by her first name, Cheryl mccatten.

534
00:33:15.440 --> 00:33:17.759
See that the Star Trek ties to the Muppets, and

535
00:33:18.599 --> 00:33:22.200
right Paul saved you for a last buddy, you get

536
00:33:22.279 --> 00:33:23.960
the caboose on the Muppet track.

537
00:33:24.960 --> 00:33:26.920
Well you know, yeah, I mean like you said, man,

538
00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:29.640
I mean, if watching the show has taught us anything,

539
00:33:29.720 --> 00:33:31.839
right that they they swing for the fences with some

540
00:33:31.920 --> 00:33:34.119
crazy ideas sometimes. But I think that you know, like

541
00:33:34.200 --> 00:33:36.759
what you were saying with some Space raps, right, Everybody

542
00:33:36.880 --> 00:33:40.640
was like, you know, the whole get off my lawn thing, right,

543
00:33:40.720 --> 00:33:43.119
and it ended up being a great success, right. And

544
00:33:44.240 --> 00:33:46.960
and I was the same way with the whole idea

545
00:33:46.960 --> 00:33:50.960
of like bringing lower decks onto stranging the worlds right

546
00:33:51.039 --> 00:33:53.799
until you actually see the way it's executed, right, what's

547
00:33:53.880 --> 00:33:56.680
the all you're hearing is the premise and the concept.

548
00:33:56.720 --> 00:33:59.279
You don't know how it fits in contextually at all.

549
00:33:59.759 --> 00:34:02.519
So well, you know, and for folks who like have

550
00:34:02.759 --> 00:34:05.240
never sat I mean sitting there with your arms folded,

551
00:34:05.359 --> 00:34:08.199
never even watching some Space Rhapsody to prove some point,

552
00:34:08.320 --> 00:34:11.199
and like a you know, good lord, you know, it's

553
00:34:11.239 --> 00:34:14.280
like if you've watched you know you're a Star Trek fan, hout,

554
00:34:14.440 --> 00:34:18.480
and you don't have an open mind. To me, that

555
00:34:18.599 --> 00:34:20.039
just seems like, you know, why are you even a

556
00:34:20.079 --> 00:34:25.159
Star Trek fan? And if this series is universe of

557
00:34:25.320 --> 00:34:28.440
this show as taught as anything, it's like, live outwardly

558
00:34:28.519 --> 00:34:30.480
with an open mind if you can, and if you don't,

559
00:34:30.559 --> 00:34:33.760
I just feel sorry for you. So yeah, I'm very

560
00:34:33.840 --> 00:34:36.360
cautiously optimistic. Who knows what they'll do. It'll be years

561
00:34:36.440 --> 00:34:39.480
before we see this. It'll be ages before we see this, right,

562
00:34:39.639 --> 00:34:41.679
I mean this is way down the road. Like we

563
00:34:41.800 --> 00:34:43.880
were saying with Starfleet Academy, it'll be at least next

564
00:34:43.960 --> 00:34:46.320
year before we see this. So who knows, but it's

565
00:34:46.360 --> 00:34:48.639
a fun idea, right, And I don't know about you,

566
00:34:48.719 --> 00:34:50.239
but I think you're like, with the way things are

567
00:34:50.239 --> 00:34:52.440
going these days, I think we can all benefit of

568
00:34:52.480 --> 00:34:55.039
a little more fun I mean, little more prune juice

569
00:34:55.079 --> 00:34:58.239
to a certain demographic of our listeners, if you know

570
00:34:58.280 --> 00:34:58.800
what I'm saying.

571
00:35:01.000 --> 00:35:05.079
Yeah, absolutely, all right, guys, So that was our Star

572
00:35:05.199 --> 00:35:08.920
Trek polls, which were you know, different polls, but polls

573
00:35:09.400 --> 00:35:12.320
at any rate. And we're going to move on and

574
00:35:12.440 --> 00:35:14.480
we're going to move on to cadet training. And this

575
00:35:14.639 --> 00:35:16.599
is the part of the show where Charles lets you,

576
00:35:16.719 --> 00:35:19.920
guys know what episodes you can go back and review

577
00:35:21.039 --> 00:35:23.599
to learn a little bit about this week's episode.

578
00:35:24.239 --> 00:35:26.320
So take it away, Charles.

579
00:35:30.360 --> 00:35:38.039
Okay, quite a bit of a mixed batch in this episode.

580
00:35:39.079 --> 00:35:41.320
Then I kind of call that it started out with

581
00:35:41.559 --> 00:35:47.119
tos This Side of Paradise season one, episode twenty four,

582
00:35:48.360 --> 00:35:51.000
where we had a flower that did affect the crew.

583
00:35:54.000 --> 00:35:58.599
Discovery season one is the Klingon War.

584
00:36:00.239 --> 00:36:02.960
They talk quite a bit about the Klingon War happening,

585
00:36:03.039 --> 00:36:08.599
and that's when the Klingon War happened. This episode ties

586
00:36:08.760 --> 00:36:12.639
back to Strange New World Under the Cloak of War

587
00:36:13.960 --> 00:36:19.400
season two, episode eight, a reference where this story came from,

588
00:36:20.719 --> 00:36:25.280
at least part of the story. TS Dagger the Mine

589
00:36:25.639 --> 00:36:30.000
Season one, episode nine, What's the first time we saw

590
00:36:30.119 --> 00:36:34.519
a mind meld by a Vulcan? A total of fifty

591
00:36:34.599 --> 00:36:40.280
three occurrences across all of the different series and movies,

592
00:36:42.800 --> 00:36:48.159
Lower Decks, Second Contact season one, episode one, and Starbase

593
00:36:48.360 --> 00:36:53.599
eighty season five, episode five, where we have zombiel like occurrences.

594
00:36:54.760 --> 00:36:56.599
I think some of their best, some of the best

595
00:36:56.639 --> 00:37:02.199
work we've seen in zombies, and this one caught me.

596
00:37:02.360 --> 00:37:08.199
TS a mouck Time Season two, episode one, where we

597
00:37:08.400 --> 00:37:10.599
see the Vulcans have.

598
00:37:10.719 --> 00:37:16.039
A ritual virtual Vulcan ritual of death.

599
00:37:17.800 --> 00:37:19.599
Because I tried to look it up and I didn't

600
00:37:19.599 --> 00:37:24.920
really find such a ritual for the Klingons. I definitely

601
00:37:25.039 --> 00:37:32.119
found it, remember remember it for the Vulcans. So I

602
00:37:32.199 --> 00:37:34.320
wonder what the fans thought about this episode.

603
00:37:36.320 --> 00:37:38.519
Yeah, every week you guys can go to our Facebook

604
00:37:38.559 --> 00:37:41.559
page and you will find a question there asking you

605
00:37:41.639 --> 00:37:44.840
to score each episode on a score of one to ten,

606
00:37:45.559 --> 00:37:48.039
and then we collect those scores and we go over them.

607
00:37:48.079 --> 00:37:51.679
So Eric, take it away, buddy well.

608
00:37:51.760 --> 00:37:56.039
William Carmichael said, it's definitely a nine point five plus.

609
00:37:57.639 --> 00:37:59.840
You know, you could have just gone another decimal there, William,

610
00:38:01.840 --> 00:38:04.159
if they had done just a little better with the

611
00:38:04.400 --> 00:38:09.280
z words, could have been a ten. Okay, a little

612
00:38:09.280 --> 00:38:12.880
bit better. Thanks William Carmichael. That's pretty good rating for

613
00:38:13.000 --> 00:38:20.159
this episode. Regina Stower said a four. Amy Rinnak gave

614
00:38:20.199 --> 00:38:27.559
it a five. Julia Ritherdon gave it a seven. Lisa

615
00:38:27.760 --> 00:38:30.760
Kramer Hurley said I'd give it a nine point nine

616
00:38:31.840 --> 00:38:36.280
minus point one for the tired, played out zombie scheme,

617
00:38:36.519 --> 00:38:39.360
but it was at least kind of funny. But overall,

618
00:38:39.960 --> 00:38:42.920
nine point nine is a fantastic score. I absolutely love

619
00:38:43.480 --> 00:38:46.960
all of Strange New World season three so far. Thanks Lisa.

620
00:38:48.239 --> 00:38:52.320
Helen Schroeder Hainey said eight. A big wow for the zombies.

621
00:38:53.679 --> 00:38:58.800
John X gave it an eight. Martin Diller gave it

622
00:38:58.880 --> 00:39:03.119
a ten for characters, five for the setting, five for

623
00:39:03.239 --> 00:39:07.880
the story. I'm rounding down to a six like that, Martin,

624
00:39:07.960 --> 00:39:09.360
you're giving us like qualifications.

625
00:39:09.400 --> 00:39:09.760
That's good.

626
00:39:10.760 --> 00:39:15.800
Jason Felt also gave it a six, as did David Eisenstein,

627
00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:19.920
so that all averages out to a fan score of

628
00:39:20.039 --> 00:39:21.400
a five point.

629
00:39:21.320 --> 00:39:22.519
Six for this episode.

630
00:39:23.400 --> 00:39:25.360
I think something's wrong with that math because we only

631
00:39:25.440 --> 00:39:28.840
had two that were below five, so that that may

632
00:39:28.920 --> 00:39:32.679
not be the actual average. But but anyway, it looks

633
00:39:32.719 --> 00:39:35.599
like it's around a six or so from our fans.

634
00:39:38.599 --> 00:39:41.800
Not too shabby, not too shabby at all.

635
00:39:42.519 --> 00:39:44.960
So a couple of things about this episode I wanted

636
00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:48.559
to talk about, So, what did you guys think about

637
00:39:49.079 --> 00:39:51.320
Ortegas and her insubordination?

638
00:39:53.559 --> 00:39:57.440
What do you think about that? Eric that?

639
00:39:57.880 --> 00:40:00.960
So I listed kind of things I liked about this episode,

640
00:40:01.400 --> 00:40:03.719
things that I'm neutral on, and things that I didn't

641
00:40:03.840 --> 00:40:06.960
like about this episode, And her insubordination was actually right

642
00:40:07.079 --> 00:40:09.920
up there in the in the zone of things that

643
00:40:10.039 --> 00:40:14.599
I liked. I like that there are kind of effects

644
00:40:14.760 --> 00:40:17.679
from this PTSD that happened over the course of the

645
00:40:17.760 --> 00:40:21.960
Gorn episodes. You see those coming out. She's obviously got

646
00:40:22.000 --> 00:40:24.760
a very strong kind of she's a very strong woman.

647
00:40:24.840 --> 00:40:29.559
She's got like strong personality, strong opinions. But I think

648
00:40:29.599 --> 00:40:33.119
it's her post her past trauma that's informing the ways

649
00:40:33.199 --> 00:40:38.119
that she's kind of sassing Una in this episode. So

650
00:40:39.079 --> 00:40:41.960
she's also coming up with great ideas, right, and everybody

651
00:40:42.039 --> 00:40:44.239
knows she's the best pilot out there, so she can

652
00:40:44.320 --> 00:40:47.079
do crazy stuff with the ship that that nobody else

653
00:40:47.159 --> 00:40:50.119
can do. I mean warping into the planet and then

654
00:40:50.239 --> 00:40:52.719
seeing the ship like burning up as they're going through

655
00:40:52.719 --> 00:40:54.679
the atmosphere. That was like probably one of the coolest

656
00:40:54.679 --> 00:40:59.519
scenes in this particular show. I guess for me, Jim,

657
00:40:59.599 --> 00:41:02.679
the question is not like about her sass It's about

658
00:41:02.719 --> 00:41:05.559
did Una hit her with a hard enough hammer for

659
00:41:05.719 --> 00:41:08.000
sassen off. I mean, she gave her two weeks off

660
00:41:08.639 --> 00:41:12.840
and said that she's got a report for you know,

661
00:41:13.000 --> 00:41:16.639
chain of command training after that. I don't think she

662
00:41:16.719 --> 00:41:19.320
deserved jail time or anything. But I don't know, man,

663
00:41:20.280 --> 00:41:22.760
that's kind of a light sentence, I would say for

664
00:41:23.000 --> 00:41:25.320
the type of sassin that she was doing in the

665
00:41:25.440 --> 00:41:28.880
moment on the bridge when the poop is hitting the fan,

666
00:41:30.119 --> 00:41:30.800
that's my opinion.

667
00:41:31.920 --> 00:41:34.920
And I was also Paul, what did you think about

668
00:41:35.400 --> 00:41:38.480
Hike just throwing caution in the wind and going to

669
00:41:38.559 --> 00:41:43.280
the planet, violating the no fly zone to get a flower.

670
00:41:44.400 --> 00:41:46.159
Well, you know, it's interesting, and you kind of have to,

671
00:41:46.519 --> 00:41:49.400
I think, link your two questions together really, because you know,

672
00:41:49.480 --> 00:41:51.400
I don't want to echo what Eric said, because how

673
00:41:51.440 --> 00:41:53.840
many times have we seen, you know, in the course

674
00:41:53.880 --> 00:41:57.840
of name you're spoke of the franchise wheel, right, where

675
00:41:57.880 --> 00:42:00.400
somebody just goes off half cocked and you know, oh,

676
00:42:00.400 --> 00:42:01.760
we've got to steal the ship, and we've got to

677
00:42:01.760 --> 00:42:03.119
steal the starship and we got to do this, and

678
00:42:03.159 --> 00:42:05.679
there's never any consequences for any of that behavior, right.

679
00:42:05.760 --> 00:42:10.119
And yet, so I really like the way that that

680
00:42:10.280 --> 00:42:15.400
they handled that with giving thee there's a serious consequence

681
00:42:15.480 --> 00:42:17.880
for this, you know, you broke you know, essentially it's

682
00:42:17.920 --> 00:42:20.320
a you know, it's an explorationship, but it's a military ship.

683
00:42:20.679 --> 00:42:23.159
It's a naval ship, and there's rules for that, right,

684
00:42:23.199 --> 00:42:25.639
and you can't just go off like that and be insubordinate.

685
00:42:25.760 --> 00:42:29.039
And the idea that you know that there's a consequence

686
00:42:29.079 --> 00:42:31.039
for that, I thought was really appropriate and a lot

687
00:42:31.079 --> 00:42:33.400
more realistic than we typically see. And yet here is

688
00:42:33.480 --> 00:42:36.960
Pike right now doing the exact same thing, right, So

689
00:42:37.039 --> 00:42:40.679
I wonder if at some point that behavior of his,

690
00:42:40.800 --> 00:42:43.320
because he's done this two or three times now in

691
00:42:43.400 --> 00:42:46.840
the course of you know, his fealty too. We're seeing

692
00:42:46.920 --> 00:42:52.159
more and more his relationship with Captain Battell is interfering

693
00:42:52.239 --> 00:42:54.920
with his judgment. You know, I like their relationship. I

694
00:42:55.079 --> 00:42:58.039
like that he has a personal connection. He's willing to

695
00:42:58.119 --> 00:43:02.800
do anything to save her right, But is that the

696
00:43:02.920 --> 00:43:04.599
kind of thing that John Luke Picard would have done?

697
00:43:05.000 --> 00:43:06.800
Is that the kind of thing that Captain Kirk didn't

698
00:43:06.800 --> 00:43:09.880
sitting on the edge forever? No, And so it's a

699
00:43:10.000 --> 00:43:13.599
very different behavior from Starflee Captain right, And I think

700
00:43:13.679 --> 00:43:15.719
we might be working towards there being some kind of

701
00:43:15.760 --> 00:43:19.599
a rubber band snapping back from all that. I think

702
00:43:19.639 --> 00:43:24.440
it's really interesting to compare those two things. I'm really

703
00:43:24.519 --> 00:43:27.360
curious to see how that plays out. But you know,

704
00:43:27.480 --> 00:43:33.320
he's just determined, and seemingly everything he's determined to make happen,

705
00:43:34.119 --> 00:43:35.679
things don't always work out the same way. So I

706
00:43:35.719 --> 00:43:38.840
think it's gonna be a fascinating episode to talk about. Yeah,

707
00:43:39.360 --> 00:43:40.079
I got a lot out of it.

708
00:43:41.519 --> 00:43:41.800
Heavy.

709
00:43:42.360 --> 00:43:47.559
What did you think about the about Pattel, I don't

710
00:43:47.559 --> 00:43:50.960
know what you call it, getting Gorn, becoming a Gorn,

711
00:43:51.760 --> 00:43:55.639
fusing with the Gorn or whatever, and telling Pike about

712
00:43:55.719 --> 00:43:57.920
that and then Pike finds out about it when they're

713
00:43:57.960 --> 00:44:01.800
on the planet. To him, I can't be concerned with

714
00:44:01.920 --> 00:44:03.920
how my death would affect you.

715
00:44:05.280 --> 00:44:05.960
Yeah, that was.

716
00:44:08.719 --> 00:44:14.000
Hurt his feelings. I wonder if he is well. First off,

717
00:44:14.079 --> 00:44:18.639
he loves her, and we thought before that when Chapel

718
00:44:18.800 --> 00:44:22.559
and Spock uh worked on her did whatever you know

719
00:44:22.639 --> 00:44:25.400
with the with him his blood and everything like that,

720
00:44:25.519 --> 00:44:28.679
that she was quote unquote cured. And then we find

721
00:44:28.760 --> 00:44:34.239
out no, she's not. And you know when when Stock

722
00:44:34.320 --> 00:44:36.760
tries to help her because she's in pain and they

723
00:44:36.840 --> 00:44:41.960
do that intense mind meld where he just absolutely just

724
00:44:42.079 --> 00:44:47.280
a primal scream and she does too. Gosh, that's gonna

725
00:44:47.280 --> 00:44:50.519
be I just I'm wondering what what is she going

726
00:44:50.639 --> 00:44:56.760
to look like as a human gorn hybrid. But I

727
00:44:56.840 --> 00:45:00.920
think I just wonder if Pike, since he knows his fate,

728
00:45:01.960 --> 00:45:04.239
does he you know, it's like, what are they going

729
00:45:04.320 --> 00:45:06.320
to do to me? Because I'm going to, you know,

730
00:45:06.480 --> 00:45:10.920
be horribly injured in the future. So I wonder if

731
00:45:10.960 --> 00:45:15.000
that's why he's maybe throwing caution to the wind a

732
00:45:15.039 --> 00:45:15.440
little bit.

733
00:45:17.559 --> 00:45:20.760
Yeah, well, we'll have to wait and find out. Charles.

734
00:45:21.199 --> 00:45:24.519
I wanted to see what you thought about and Benga

735
00:45:24.760 --> 00:45:28.280
finally finally telling Pike that and all of us we

736
00:45:28.400 --> 00:45:32.519
had our suspicions that he actually murdered Doc Roth and

737
00:45:32.599 --> 00:45:35.559
then it wasn't self defense because that was a big

738
00:45:35.679 --> 00:45:37.639
question that we talked about on the podcast.

739
00:45:38.679 --> 00:45:45.480
That was a big floating question I think for fans

740
00:45:45.719 --> 00:45:51.320
to what happened, and I think personally I liked the

741
00:45:51.440 --> 00:45:55.880
idea and that it was kept secret and now that

742
00:45:56.039 --> 00:46:00.679
we released it, the fact that the Doctor is a

743
00:46:00.760 --> 00:46:04.800
bit cold hearted and he did kill him off. Yes,

744
00:46:04.880 --> 00:46:06.800
it might have been connected to the war, but I

745
00:46:06.880 --> 00:46:08.840
think we see a bit of the dark side of

746
00:46:08.920 --> 00:46:14.280
the Doctor and hopefully we don't have too many episodes

747
00:46:14.320 --> 00:46:18.639
where we have to see his dark side because that

748
00:46:18.719 --> 00:46:22.039
can get a little bit on the edgy side.

749
00:46:25.639 --> 00:46:28.440
Yeah, the Monster, he referred to it as the monster.

750
00:46:30.440 --> 00:46:34.760
And David being our resident miracle worker, I wanted to

751
00:46:34.800 --> 00:46:38.000
ask you about Scotty pulling, pulling his magic out and

752
00:46:38.239 --> 00:46:41.519
saving the ship and beaming up the captain and in

753
00:46:41.679 --> 00:46:44.360
Bengal while they're in the iona sphere and all that

754
00:46:44.480 --> 00:46:47.880
other you know, Scotty basically being Scottie.

755
00:46:49.840 --> 00:46:52.159
Well, I think he's my great great, great, great great

756
00:46:52.199 --> 00:46:53.760
great grandson, but.

757
00:46:55.280 --> 00:46:57.280
Uh, yeah, I don't know.

758
00:46:57.400 --> 00:47:00.320
I mean, definitely shutting him up to be as the

759
00:47:00.400 --> 00:47:07.400
original TS Scotti, who apparently is learning from Patilla.

760
00:47:06.760 --> 00:47:07.320
That her name.

761
00:47:09.119 --> 00:47:14.199
His Patellia. Yeah, apparently a lot of the tricks that

762
00:47:14.320 --> 00:47:17.320
Scotti learned from TS is definitely coming from her. So

763
00:47:17.880 --> 00:47:21.079
it's kind of interesting to see how he starts to

764
00:47:21.320 --> 00:47:25.800
evolve into the miracle worker that we che in the

765
00:47:26.079 --> 00:47:26.880
TS show.

766
00:47:27.679 --> 00:47:28.679
Yeah, I don't know.

767
00:47:28.840 --> 00:47:30.960
I mean there's a lot of things that he did

768
00:47:31.199 --> 00:47:33.719
in that particular part of the show that you know,

769
00:47:34.199 --> 00:47:38.199
a lot of technobabble, but you know, tark Tek show

770
00:47:38.280 --> 00:47:45.159
isn't there. But yeah, I think he he's just been pooned,

771
00:47:45.280 --> 00:47:48.840
I guess, to become what we all know of in

772
00:47:48.960 --> 00:47:50.760
the TS. So sorry, I don't know what I want

773
00:47:50.800 --> 00:47:53.320
to say about that, but yeah, all.

774
00:47:53.440 --> 00:47:54.480
Right, that's enough.

775
00:47:55.199 --> 00:47:57.960
So Paul, before we we actually dive into the episode,

776
00:47:57.960 --> 00:48:01.239
why don't you give our listeners a quick rundown for

777
00:48:01.320 --> 00:48:04.360
those of those who haven't seen it yet, give us

778
00:48:04.400 --> 00:48:06.639
a quick plot run down, and then we'll dive right in.

779
00:48:07.880 --> 00:48:10.199
Yeah, let's just talk about the setup. I think, the

780
00:48:10.280 --> 00:48:13.280
initial you know, catalyst where things go right, and then

781
00:48:13.320 --> 00:48:16.000
we can all take our own you know, deeper exploration

782
00:48:16.039 --> 00:48:19.079
as we go. But the setup is really compellent, right.

783
00:48:19.199 --> 00:48:22.480
It's like we're kind of carrying off, carrying on from

784
00:48:22.519 --> 00:48:26.199
where we began in the season three premiere, where there's

785
00:48:26.239 --> 00:48:28.599
this whole thing where you know, Batel has had been

786
00:48:28.760 --> 00:48:33.519
infected with like gorn eggs essentially, right, and there was

787
00:48:33.599 --> 00:48:36.920
this whole thing that involved trying to you know, different

788
00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:40.400
attempts to cure her of that. Pike being really reckless,

789
00:48:40.480 --> 00:48:43.519
really determined, really obsessed with not losing her right to

790
00:48:43.639 --> 00:48:47.039
the point that I think the other officers see that

791
00:48:47.320 --> 00:48:51.039
and are you know, going off book at his behest right.

792
00:48:51.679 --> 00:48:56.480
Chapel and Spock actually used some of UNA's DNA or

793
00:48:56.639 --> 00:49:00.599
you altered DNA, you know, which is totally verbot right,

794
00:49:01.159 --> 00:49:03.559
but they use that in attempt to kind of you know,

795
00:49:04.280 --> 00:49:08.159
expunge the gorn cells from her body. And we thought

796
00:49:08.239 --> 00:49:10.679
that was great, right, And for anybody who's dealt with

797
00:49:10.719 --> 00:49:14.840
a family member that has been hoping with cancer, the

798
00:49:14.960 --> 00:49:18.000
start of this episode is really shocking, right, because you know,

799
00:49:18.079 --> 00:49:20.639
he's like, oh, everything's great, and she's going to be

800
00:49:20.679 --> 00:49:22.519
going back to her own ship and soon they've become

801
00:49:22.599 --> 00:49:25.039
been roommates for a while during her recovery, becomes back

802
00:49:25.119 --> 00:49:28.800
in and she's on the floor unconscious. Right, And then

803
00:49:28.800 --> 00:49:32.840
you immediately cut to doctor ma Benga right explaining, you know,

804
00:49:33.079 --> 00:49:35.960
using really cancer like language. Right, we thought she was

805
00:49:36.079 --> 00:49:40.159
in remission. He uses the word remission, right, but unfortunately

806
00:49:40.280 --> 00:49:44.039
the gorn cells a returned. I mean it's it's almost

807
00:49:44.119 --> 00:49:47.000
like hearing, you know, a bad cancer diagnosis the way

808
00:49:47.039 --> 00:49:49.519
it was done. So it's a pretty attention getting way

809
00:49:49.559 --> 00:49:51.760
to do it. But then spots right in there, boom,

810
00:49:51.800 --> 00:49:54.119
there's this magical flower that's really difficult to get a

811
00:49:54.159 --> 00:49:56.079
hold of, right, and if you can get this flower,

812
00:49:56.760 --> 00:49:59.639
it's the one thing we know of that can hope

813
00:49:59.800 --> 00:50:04.360
for push those cells out of her. Right, it's the

814
00:50:04.440 --> 00:50:09.119
hail Mary play, right, And of course Pike's like, you know,

815
00:50:09.280 --> 00:50:11.039
whatever it is, I'll do it, ready to just go

816
00:50:11.239 --> 00:50:13.679
and do whatever is necessary. Right, And of course the

817
00:50:14.280 --> 00:50:17.400
wrinkle is that the flower is only available on this

818
00:50:17.480 --> 00:50:19.400
only post that is in like the quote unquote no

819
00:50:19.480 --> 00:50:23.039
fly zone, you know, from the you know, end of

820
00:50:23.079 --> 00:50:25.480
the Klingon War. So going there is a very very

821
00:50:25.559 --> 00:50:27.719
forbidden kind of thing. But of course just Pike care no,

822
00:50:27.880 --> 00:50:29.960
he does not care. He is determined to go back

823
00:50:30.000 --> 00:50:31.960
and do anything he can move heaven on Earth to

824
00:50:32.079 --> 00:50:36.559
save his girlfriend's alife, right to save count to Betel.

825
00:50:36.960 --> 00:50:38.880
So they have to go on this off the book's

826
00:50:39.320 --> 00:50:43.159
mission to go there. Very exciting stuff happens, and I'll

827
00:50:43.239 --> 00:50:44.960
let other people talk about what they like as far

828
00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:47.320
as favorites of that. But they go down there and

829
00:50:47.400 --> 00:50:50.440
stuff happens, right, and they in their quest to find

830
00:50:50.519 --> 00:50:53.960
the U this flower that could be the make or

831
00:50:54.000 --> 00:50:57.679
break difference between saving Captain Beateel's life. I will just

832
00:50:57.840 --> 00:51:00.840
mention briefly one of my favorite things in this episode

833
00:51:00.920 --> 00:51:03.960
was at the very beginning of the episode is Spock.

834
00:51:04.599 --> 00:51:10.039
You know, Spock. It's late in the day. Mike and

835
00:51:10.159 --> 00:51:12.519
Ma Benga are taking a shuttle craft down there right

836
00:51:12.599 --> 00:51:14.679
to go and do their thing. And I just love

837
00:51:14.800 --> 00:51:17.320
the rapport between the two of them, right because it's

838
00:51:17.400 --> 00:51:20.320
just the two of them by themselves on this quick

839
00:51:20.360 --> 00:51:22.960
shuttle trip down and it's just a chance for them

840
00:51:23.039 --> 00:51:25.000
to just you know, be friends and just you know,

841
00:51:25.119 --> 00:51:29.039
have camaraderie and talk about their pastime together, right, and

842
00:51:29.119 --> 00:51:32.280
they're laughing about, you know, the last time they flew

843
00:51:32.599 --> 00:51:35.239
on a shuttle trip together Ma Benga threw up and

844
00:51:35.280 --> 00:51:37.639
because they smoked too many cigars the night before, which

845
00:51:37.679 --> 00:51:41.960
is this lovely bit of old school character development with them,

846
00:51:42.000 --> 00:51:44.159
and I just thought that was great and just watching

847
00:51:44.239 --> 00:51:47.159
them playing off each other was just super satisfying. So

848
00:51:47.559 --> 00:51:48.960
I don't want to take up more time than just

849
00:51:49.039 --> 00:51:51.119
do the setup. But that's the setup, right, And I

850
00:51:51.159 --> 00:51:52.920
think other people will have the things they want to

851
00:51:52.920 --> 00:51:57.239
talk about, but I think we got some really fresh

852
00:51:58.079 --> 00:52:00.760
with some things in this episode, not but some things

853
00:52:00.800 --> 00:52:03.480
that were really really fresh that I'm excited to talk about,

854
00:52:03.639 --> 00:52:06.440
so that I think we're really really interesting. So Eric,

855
00:52:06.480 --> 00:52:07.679
can I pass it to you? Brother?

856
00:52:09.880 --> 00:52:10.239
Sureman?

857
00:52:11.559 --> 00:52:14.039
What did you like about the Where do you want

858
00:52:14.039 --> 00:52:15.239
to you want to jump off of?

859
00:52:15.440 --> 00:52:15.480
Or?

860
00:52:15.760 --> 00:52:17.719
I don't know if there was other questions that we

861
00:52:17.800 --> 00:52:20.079
wanted to go in order? How do you want to roll? Jim?

862
00:52:20.159 --> 00:52:20.639
What do you think?

863
00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:22.599
Well?

864
00:52:22.639 --> 00:52:26.639
I wanted to I wanted to jump in because Klingons,

865
00:52:28.000 --> 00:52:29.280
all right, Cleons?

866
00:52:31.079 --> 00:52:31.320
Wow?

867
00:52:31.760 --> 00:52:36.480
I thought Doc Cros's daughter was just absolutely badass, phenomenal.

868
00:52:37.639 --> 00:52:40.440
I just I loved her And who knew that a

869
00:52:40.519 --> 00:52:44.559
Klingon sash could become a whip for whipping zombies? Who

870
00:52:44.639 --> 00:52:47.119
ever thought that. We saw that in the trailer, and

871
00:52:47.320 --> 00:52:49.880
she she just she just went to town. I thought

872
00:52:49.960 --> 00:52:55.000
she was a great character. And and Benga refusing to

873
00:52:55.119 --> 00:52:57.800
kill her and then her you know, sacrificing herself to

874
00:52:57.880 --> 00:53:01.320
gain her honor back, and and Benga says, well, I'll know,

875
00:53:01.599 --> 00:53:03.679
and she'll know. I thought that was a great scene.

876
00:53:04.079 --> 00:53:06.239
So I loved all the Klingon stuff. The Klingon battle

877
00:53:06.280 --> 00:53:10.159
cruiser looked spectacular, by the way. I thought it looked great.

878
00:53:10.480 --> 00:53:12.800
And it was also really really cool to see all

879
00:53:12.840 --> 00:53:15.679
the Klingon graphics on the screen if we haven't seen

880
00:53:15.760 --> 00:53:18.280
graphics like that on the screen since Star Trek six,

881
00:53:19.000 --> 00:53:22.719
when when we see the planet explode. So I thought

882
00:53:22.880 --> 00:53:24.840
all the Klingon stuff was great.

883
00:53:26.239 --> 00:53:27.280
Okay, So.

884
00:53:29.000 --> 00:53:33.719
Zombies all right. I thought the fact that Pike called

885
00:53:33.719 --> 00:53:37.159
them zombies, guys, was perfect because Pike watches all that

886
00:53:37.280 --> 00:53:40.119
fifty stuff. We saw that in the very premiere episode.

887
00:53:40.719 --> 00:53:44.400
So first for Pike to call them zombies, you know,

888
00:53:44.719 --> 00:53:46.559
I'm sure that he's seen That of the Living Dead

889
00:53:46.599 --> 00:53:49.079
a million times. I mean, he loves those black and

890
00:53:49.159 --> 00:53:51.760
white movies. So it didn't bother me that he called

891
00:53:51.800 --> 00:53:56.880
them zombies. So that was, you know interesting, but the

892
00:53:57.000 --> 00:54:01.719
fact that this whole colony just went missing and Starfleet

893
00:54:01.920 --> 00:54:04.679
never thought to send someone to find out what happened

894
00:54:04.800 --> 00:54:08.719
to them. The Klingons sent warriors there who never returned,

895
00:54:08.800 --> 00:54:13.239
and Klingons didn't care. And everything on the planet was dead.

896
00:54:13.679 --> 00:54:17.079
There wasn't even fish because the zombies ate the fish too,

897
00:54:17.920 --> 00:54:21.519
So there's no life on the planet and which I

898
00:54:21.599 --> 00:54:23.800
thought was kind of strange that no one thought to

899
00:54:23.880 --> 00:54:25.880
look in on it. But then again they didn't check

900
00:54:25.960 --> 00:54:28.039
on con either, so you.

901
00:54:28.079 --> 00:54:33.679
Know what am I talking about here, But but they handled.

902
00:54:33.360 --> 00:54:35.480
It at the beginning. They explained that it was just

903
00:54:35.639 --> 00:54:38.360
like part of the you know armistice at the end

904
00:54:38.400 --> 00:54:41.159
of the war, was that these one of many, this

905
00:54:41.320 --> 00:54:43.039
is planet to one of the many is considered the

906
00:54:43.039 --> 00:54:46.599
off limit zone for both sides. And no go oh,

907
00:54:46.679 --> 00:54:48.920
I mean they clearly, they clearly covered.

908
00:54:48.639 --> 00:54:54.400
That the Klingon shuttle craft, Eric, did you recognize that

909
00:54:54.519 --> 00:54:55.559
Klingon shuttle.

910
00:54:57.280 --> 00:54:59.760
Well, it had a very Discovery kind of design to it.

911
00:55:00.199 --> 00:55:02.920
Yes, that was the rail shuttle from star Trek Discovery,

912
00:55:02.960 --> 00:55:04.760
which I thought was the coolest.

913
00:55:04.440 --> 00:55:08.960
Tie in ever. And that that what was his name?

914
00:55:09.000 --> 00:55:13.400
What was doc Ros's daughter's name, Raoul ral do.

915
00:55:13.400 --> 00:55:15.239
You mean this new character the captain.

916
00:55:19.679 --> 00:55:21.000
That she used.

917
00:55:20.920 --> 00:55:24.840
Veridian to track in Benga And that's the same substance

918
00:55:24.880 --> 00:55:27.760
as Spock slapped on Kirk's shoulder in Star Trek sixty

919
00:55:27.840 --> 00:55:31.400
Undiscovered Country to track them the Royal penthe So I

920
00:55:31.440 --> 00:55:35.079
thought that was really neat little tie in. So yeah, overall,

921
00:55:35.360 --> 00:55:36.880
you know, I enjoyed this episode.

922
00:55:37.000 --> 00:55:37.400
Overall.

923
00:55:39.159 --> 00:55:41.679
There was enough going on to keep my keep me interested.

924
00:55:41.920 --> 00:55:45.280
And uh, the zombie trope is a bit old, but

925
00:55:45.360 --> 00:55:48.039
they handled it very well. And so for me, I'm

926
00:55:48.079 --> 00:55:49.960
going to go with an eight on this one. I

927
00:55:50.039 --> 00:55:51.719
might even go with a nine. I'm gonna bump it

928
00:55:51.840 --> 00:55:52.400
up to a nine.

929
00:55:52.440 --> 00:55:55.800
So I enjoy it. I recommended it, and that's my

930
00:55:55.960 --> 00:55:57.280
take on it. How about you. Eric?

931
00:56:00.320 --> 00:56:04.280
Okay, So things I liked about this episode. I did like,

932
00:56:05.039 --> 00:56:07.079
as Paul was talking about at the beginning, the whole

933
00:56:07.159 --> 00:56:10.960
concept of the flower and the flower kind of being

934
00:56:11.280 --> 00:56:14.280
the thing that they need to make the thing that

935
00:56:14.360 --> 00:56:17.800
we don't really want to have happen to Captain Bettel happened,

936
00:56:17.840 --> 00:56:19.960
but that it's the only option that we have. I

937
00:56:20.079 --> 00:56:23.719
really am interested in that in terms of it being

938
00:56:23.920 --> 00:56:26.840
not a complete get out of jail free card, but

939
00:56:27.000 --> 00:56:29.239
a kind of like a sort of get out of

940
00:56:29.360 --> 00:56:33.320
jail free card. That's a neat twist on what they

941
00:56:33.480 --> 00:56:35.559
usually do in Star Trek, which is makes sure that

942
00:56:35.639 --> 00:56:38.400
everything's kind of reset by the end of the episode.

943
00:56:38.480 --> 00:56:44.960
Right in Classic Star Trek, Charles mentioned the flower that

944
00:56:45.039 --> 00:56:48.000
gets Spock high back in the original series. It also

945
00:56:48.079 --> 00:56:53.280
made me think about the symbiogenic orchid that causes two

946
00:56:53.360 --> 00:56:58.079
vis to happen from Star Trek Voyager. So I did

947
00:56:58.320 --> 00:57:01.360
like that it was based on this to the Forbidden Planet.

948
00:57:01.440 --> 00:57:05.679
I think that Paul did a great job of just

949
00:57:05.800 --> 00:57:08.719
discussing that kind of interaction between Pike and and Benga,

950
00:57:08.880 --> 00:57:11.519
how special that was to hear them riffing off of

951
00:57:11.599 --> 00:57:14.119
each other. I already talked about how I really liked

952
00:57:14.760 --> 00:57:17.639
pretty much all of the Erica Ortegas stuff. I just

953
00:57:17.679 --> 00:57:21.840
thought they did a great job of mixing PTSD with

954
00:57:22.159 --> 00:57:28.199
her kind of natural rash nature, with her you know,

955
00:57:28.480 --> 00:57:31.960
duties that she has, and yet like I wonder if

956
00:57:32.000 --> 00:57:33.880
she would have sassed off to Pike the same way

957
00:57:33.920 --> 00:57:37.199
that she sassed off to Una. Maybe there was a

958
00:57:37.239 --> 00:57:40.559
little bit of me that was kind of wondering about that,

959
00:57:42.079 --> 00:57:44.960
but there were consequences in the end, so that that

960
00:57:45.159 --> 00:57:48.960
was a good thing. I liked the concept of bringing

961
00:57:49.079 --> 00:57:53.719
back the Klingons and having stuff from the the Klingon

962
00:57:54.199 --> 00:58:00.519
Federation war come back into this story because as Discovery begat,

963
00:58:00.880 --> 00:58:03.519
you know, Strange New Worlds, so should Strange New Worlds

964
00:58:03.559 --> 00:58:07.960
look back to Discovery. So I did like that and

965
00:58:08.079 --> 00:58:12.320
the fact that those Klingons had this tie to a

966
00:58:12.400 --> 00:58:14.960
previous episode of Strange New Worlds that we saw and

967
00:58:15.039 --> 00:58:21.039
the assassination of of the Ambassador that I thought was

968
00:58:21.119 --> 00:58:25.519
a really really strong storytelling and a great way to

969
00:58:26.719 --> 00:58:30.159
take the am Benga character and like just kick him

970
00:58:30.239 --> 00:58:32.719
up a little bit more, give him, give him a

971
00:58:32.800 --> 00:58:38.320
little bit more of a of an edge. So yeah,

972
00:58:38.760 --> 00:58:43.320
I totally love that there's that whole thing about and

973
00:58:43.440 --> 00:58:47.519
Benga never gets caught. He got caught in this episode,

974
00:58:47.599 --> 00:58:51.440
so that was kind of funny. Scotty. I love what

975
00:58:51.480 --> 00:58:53.920
they're doing with Scotti, the development of that character. And

976
00:58:54.000 --> 00:58:56.880
David said that he's getting all his ideas from Pellia,

977
00:58:56.960 --> 00:58:59.880
but I actually think what I'm seeing personally is I'm

978
00:58:59.920 --> 00:59:06.440
actually seeing Pellia being more like hands off but pushing

979
00:59:06.559 --> 00:59:08.760
Scotty to make his own decisions. I think that she

980
00:59:09.519 --> 00:59:13.599
recognizes how brilliant he is, right like, she specifically doesn't

981
00:59:13.639 --> 00:59:15.159
go to this meeting, and I don't think it's just

982
00:59:15.280 --> 00:59:17.280
because she hates going to the meetings. I think it's

983
00:59:17.360 --> 00:59:20.360
because she recognizes just how darn smart he is and

984
00:59:20.440 --> 00:59:22.119
how he might come up with things that even she,

985
00:59:22.400 --> 00:59:25.639
with her thousands of years of experience, might not come

986
00:59:25.760 --> 00:59:30.199
up with. So I like that relationship between Scotty and

987
00:59:30.280 --> 00:59:33.360
Pellia where she's kind of a mentor, but she's mentoring

988
00:59:33.480 --> 00:59:36.840
in kind of a hands off sort of way. I

989
00:59:36.920 --> 00:59:40.239
totally dig that. And then probably one of my favorite

990
00:59:40.280 --> 00:59:43.719
parts of the episode was the very end when Pike

991
00:59:43.800 --> 00:59:46.119
and e Benga have that talk after the mission is

992
00:59:46.199 --> 00:59:50.480
over and the Benga's worried that Pike is gonna, you know,

993
00:59:50.960 --> 00:59:54.039
say something to Starfleet about him killing the ambassador, and

994
00:59:55.000 --> 00:59:59.079
I think they resolve that in a very amenable way

995
00:59:59.599 --> 01:00:04.800
as friends. I think I personally think that we should

996
01:00:04.840 --> 01:00:07.880
do a poll question to the minions, and the pole

997
01:00:07.960 --> 01:00:12.480
questions should be, was m Benga actually justified in killing

998
01:00:12.880 --> 01:00:16.480
Ambassador Raw now that we know he did it for sure?

999
01:00:17.159 --> 01:00:19.599
I think that's a very interesting question. I know what

1000
01:00:19.719 --> 01:00:21.960
my answer would be to that, but I would love

1001
01:00:22.000 --> 01:00:24.599
to hear what the minions have to say about that.

1002
01:00:25.079 --> 01:00:26.760
We might get like a fifty to fifty.

1003
01:00:26.559 --> 01:00:27.199
Kind of thing going.

1004
01:00:29.079 --> 01:00:33.039
Okay things I'm neutral on the Spock mind meld. It

1005
01:00:33.119 --> 01:00:35.159
was a little bit Star Trek five to me, like,

1006
01:00:35.519 --> 01:00:37.679
let me take your pain, but then he kind of

1007
01:00:37.679 --> 01:00:39.199
freaks out when he tries to take her pain.

1008
01:00:39.840 --> 01:00:40.719
I just I don't know.

1009
01:00:41.039 --> 01:00:44.840
That scene was kind of like, ugh, okay, just didn't

1010
01:00:44.880 --> 01:00:48.079
really do anything for me. Things that I didn't like

1011
01:00:48.559 --> 01:00:52.039
about the episode. First of all, the title. Why was

1012
01:00:52.119 --> 01:00:54.119
it called the shuttle tick and forty When they were

1013
01:00:54.159 --> 01:00:55.880
on the shuttle for like two minutes and the rest

1014
01:00:55.920 --> 01:00:58.559
of the thing was all about other stuff. It's just like,

1015
01:01:00.079 --> 01:01:02.519
maybe that's tiki taki, but I just don't understand why

1016
01:01:02.599 --> 01:01:09.320
they titled the episode that. I also, personally, zombies are

1017
01:01:09.400 --> 01:01:12.800
literally my least favorite horror type of character. Like I

1018
01:01:12.800 --> 01:01:15.920
would rather have vampires on Strange New Worlds. I would

1019
01:01:15.960 --> 01:01:19.280
rather have were wolves. I would rather have almost anything

1020
01:01:19.360 --> 01:01:23.280
than zombies. I specifically avoid zombie movies most of the time.

1021
01:01:24.159 --> 01:01:25.199
I hated the zombies.

1022
01:01:25.400 --> 01:01:26.639
I hate them.

1023
01:01:26.760 --> 01:01:30.719
I mostly hate zombies because they're literally just a thing

1024
01:01:30.920 --> 01:01:33.719
that raises the stakes in terms of danger. They don't

1025
01:01:34.320 --> 01:01:38.000
they're not smart, they don't have any like cool features

1026
01:01:38.079 --> 01:01:40.639
to them. They're just things that want to kill you.

1027
01:01:40.840 --> 01:01:42.920
And in this episode, I think we see them as

1028
01:01:43.079 --> 01:01:47.280
things that are literally it's like cool intelligent, really well

1029
01:01:47.360 --> 01:01:53.159
written scenes zombie attack. Cool intelligent, really written well scenes

1030
01:01:53.840 --> 01:01:57.159
zombie attack. So I just didn't care for the zombies

1031
01:01:58.039 --> 01:02:03.079
at all. Really, the concept of the Klingons was really cool.

1032
01:02:03.880 --> 01:02:06.760
I personally didn't think Bitha was that strong of a character.

1033
01:02:06.880 --> 01:02:09.599
I liked the writing. Maybe it was her acting or something.

1034
01:02:09.639 --> 01:02:09.960
I don't know.

1035
01:02:10.000 --> 01:02:13.280
When I saw her, I didn't see a Klingon. I

1036
01:02:13.360 --> 01:02:16.920
saw a human in klingon makeup, and so there was

1037
01:02:17.039 --> 01:02:19.239
something that was going on there that maybe I haven't

1038
01:02:19.239 --> 01:02:22.679
thought enough about to understand why I felt this way,

1039
01:02:23.960 --> 01:02:26.159
But I just she wasn't the strongest Klingon that I've

1040
01:02:26.199 --> 01:02:26.679
ever seen.

1041
01:02:28.320 --> 01:02:28.480
You know.

1042
01:02:28.599 --> 01:02:30.840
The whip was was kind of fun. We never even

1043
01:02:30.880 --> 01:02:33.760
got to see her use it. She whipped once and

1044
01:02:33.920 --> 01:02:36.800
then like a minute and a half later she was

1045
01:02:36.840 --> 01:02:39.599
being eaten by the zombies. So there wasn't even like

1046
01:02:39.639 --> 01:02:41.199
a cool I would have liked to have seen her,

1047
01:02:41.320 --> 01:02:44.000
you know, kill like fifty or sixty zombies while they're

1048
01:02:44.079 --> 01:02:46.760
running away. That would have been pretty cool, but we

1049
01:02:46.800 --> 01:02:52.360
didn't really get to see that. Them being inside the

1050
01:02:52.440 --> 01:02:55.000
little force field cage and having the knife fight. I mean,

1051
01:02:55.039 --> 01:02:57.840
that was that was kind of cool in that that

1052
01:02:58.039 --> 01:03:01.519
was the natural resolution of that situation between Bitha and

1053
01:03:01.639 --> 01:03:04.440
doctor and Benga. And it was cool to see the

1054
01:03:04.559 --> 01:03:08.480
kind of like ritual knife fight. But you know, when

1055
01:03:08.480 --> 01:03:10.639
you're looking at the background seeing what the zombies are doing,

1056
01:03:10.679 --> 01:03:13.039
they're they're not even really trying that hard to get

1057
01:03:13.119 --> 01:03:15.440
in the force field. They're just kind of milling about.

1058
01:03:15.840 --> 01:03:19.679
It was it was silly to me, silly and predictable.

1059
01:03:21.639 --> 01:03:24.840
Kind of Lastly, to just tie it up, we didn't

1060
01:03:24.840 --> 01:03:27.000
get any resolution of what actually goes on on this

1061
01:03:27.119 --> 01:03:31.079
planet after they leave. It's just kind of dropped. It's

1062
01:03:31.119 --> 01:03:33.000
like a couple of episodes of TNG where they just

1063
01:03:33.039 --> 01:03:36.320
sort of dropped the story at the end, and you

1064
01:03:36.400 --> 01:03:39.079
know what happens to all these zombies.

1065
01:03:39.159 --> 01:03:40.039
I don't know.

1066
01:03:41.159 --> 01:03:43.320
I would love I would love to know that.

1067
01:03:45.960 --> 01:03:48.039
So anyway, those were the things I didn't like, own

1068
01:03:48.079 --> 01:03:52.199
the loss of gravity, like when they're diving in, and

1069
01:03:52.280 --> 01:03:55.800
then everybody's obviously hanging from harnesses, like it didn't even

1070
01:03:55.840 --> 01:04:00.159
really look like they were in zero G. So when

1071
01:04:00.199 --> 01:04:02.039
they put UN's hair up because they couldn't do zero

1072
01:04:02.159 --> 01:04:05.800
G with her hair, I don't know. So I just

1073
01:04:05.880 --> 01:04:08.679
thought the whole like zero G thing was pretty cheesy.

1074
01:04:09.039 --> 01:04:13.559
So but then I'll close clothes close, I promise with

1075
01:04:13.760 --> 01:04:15.880
my on the Cusp thing and my on the Cusp

1076
01:04:16.000 --> 01:04:17.800
thing that I can't tell if I like it or

1077
01:04:17.800 --> 01:04:20.039
don't like it, or maybe I'm really directly in the middle.

1078
01:04:20.760 --> 01:04:23.760
Is the whole conversation between Pike and Betel about why

1079
01:04:23.880 --> 01:04:27.519
Pike didn't tell her. I love that moment because I

1080
01:04:27.599 --> 01:04:30.760
was the one who complained. Was it last week when

1081
01:04:31.239 --> 01:04:33.000
she ends up taking care of Pike at the end

1082
01:04:33.000 --> 01:04:36.400
of the episode because he's whining about things, she does

1083
01:04:36.480 --> 01:04:38.800
the same thing and this one to start with where

1084
01:04:38.960 --> 01:04:42.559
she's like, listen, dude, I don't have the time to

1085
01:04:42.679 --> 01:04:45.440
think about your hurt feelings about the fact that I'm dying.

1086
01:04:45.880 --> 01:04:49.519
That was, bar none, the best line in the whole

1087
01:04:50.360 --> 01:04:55.719
episode to me. I thought that was fantastic. So along

1088
01:04:55.800 --> 01:04:58.199
that same vein, I'm wondering why Pike is so whiny

1089
01:04:58.239 --> 01:05:00.119
about this. I mean, I think Paul said something that

1090
01:05:00.199 --> 01:05:02.920
actually resonated with me a little earlier, which is maybe

1091
01:05:03.039 --> 01:05:06.239
why he's doing this, where he's like, he really cares

1092
01:05:06.280 --> 01:05:10.199
about this woman and so it's affecting his ability to

1093
01:05:10.360 --> 01:05:12.760
be a good captain. The fact that he's kind of

1094
01:05:12.840 --> 01:05:15.360
so in love with her and that he's got these

1095
01:05:15.400 --> 01:05:18.719
like heavy, heavy feelings about it, So okay that I

1096
01:05:18.840 --> 01:05:22.880
can see wherein they're actually going for that, like he's

1097
01:05:22.920 --> 01:05:25.159
getting kind of whiny and stuff, because that's what love

1098
01:05:25.239 --> 01:05:26.760
does to you, man, It makes you do things that

1099
01:05:26.840 --> 01:05:31.480
you wouldn't normally do. So so maybe I'm backing off

1100
01:05:31.519 --> 01:05:35.119
of that just a little bit after what Paul said.

1101
01:05:36.639 --> 01:05:39.199
But what she does say is she says, we both

1102
01:05:39.280 --> 01:05:42.079
know that if I had told you, you would have

1103
01:05:42.159 --> 01:05:45.480
demanded that we find another way to do it. And

1104
01:05:46.239 --> 01:05:51.599
that to me is her knowing him so well that

1105
01:05:51.760 --> 01:05:53.880
she knows that she has to do this thing that

1106
01:05:53.960 --> 01:05:55.840
he doesn't want to have done, which is not tell

1107
01:05:55.920 --> 01:06:01.519
him simply because he's so obstinate and so predictable that

1108
01:06:01.760 --> 01:06:04.280
she knows that she would have just had to wade

1109
01:06:04.320 --> 01:06:06.159
through the muck a little bit more if she had

1110
01:06:06.159 --> 01:06:08.199
actually told him, and eventually they would have ended up

1111
01:06:08.199 --> 01:06:11.920
with the same result. You know, He's like, oh, but

1112
01:06:12.039 --> 01:06:13.719
at least I could have helped you make the decision,

1113
01:06:13.800 --> 01:06:15.039
or you would have known I was there for you

1114
01:06:15.239 --> 01:06:20.280
and that kind of stuff. Anyway, it was kind of

1115
01:06:20.320 --> 01:06:22.480
her taking care of him, but then in the end

1116
01:06:22.679 --> 01:06:25.719
he recognizes that and he finally takes care of her.

1117
01:06:25.800 --> 01:06:29.159
So it was a nice resolution of last week's issue

1118
01:06:29.519 --> 01:06:32.719
and also the end of this week's issue. Anyway, Sorry

1119
01:06:32.760 --> 01:06:34.000
I went a little long there. I just had a

1120
01:06:34.039 --> 01:06:38.039
lot to say about it this episode, so I don't know.

1121
01:06:38.400 --> 01:06:40.559
A number is kind of hard for me on this one. Honestly,

1122
01:06:41.159 --> 01:06:43.960
I think Charles reworked the numbers. We figured out our

1123
01:06:45.360 --> 01:06:47.880
minions were like a six point nine from the things

1124
01:06:47.920 --> 01:06:50.280
that we actually did. That's probably about where I am.

1125
01:06:50.719 --> 01:06:50.880
You know.

1126
01:06:51.159 --> 01:06:53.760
I might give this a seven simply because I really

1127
01:06:53.960 --> 01:06:57.280
liked the scenes in between the zombies, but every zombie

1128
01:06:57.320 --> 01:07:02.280
scene knocked it down a point for me, and all

1129
01:07:02.320 --> 01:07:02.840
this liked.

1130
01:07:06.679 --> 01:07:11.639
Next, I'm happy to point counterpoint unless anyone else wants

1131
01:07:11.639 --> 01:07:11.840
to go.

1132
01:07:13.920 --> 01:07:14.280
Go ahead.

1133
01:07:14.280 --> 01:07:17.599
They're a batting order, now go for it.

1134
01:07:17.800 --> 01:07:20.599
No, no, no, there's not no batting order.

1135
01:07:21.039 --> 01:07:23.280
I liked a lot of this episode, I think a

1136
01:07:23.320 --> 01:07:25.639
little bit more than you did. A I enjoyed it

1137
01:07:25.800 --> 01:07:29.199
very very much, with the exception of what here's the thing,

1138
01:07:29.280 --> 01:07:31.079
and I think you were really getting to this right.

1139
01:07:31.519 --> 01:07:33.440
I thought this is a really great episode. I thought

1140
01:07:33.440 --> 01:07:35.440
the writing was really sharp. I love what they're doing

1141
01:07:35.519 --> 01:07:38.360
with Patel moving it up. I mean, if they do

1142
01:07:38.480 --> 01:07:40.320
what I think they're gonna do, holy moly, we've seen

1143
01:07:40.360 --> 01:07:42.159
nothing like that before. I think that's going to be

1144
01:07:42.199 --> 01:07:46.320
really amazing, right, and I'm there for it, right, I am.

1145
01:07:46.400 --> 01:07:48.400
I think it's going to be really exciting and cool

1146
01:07:48.559 --> 01:07:52.880
and potentially really tragic and fucked up. I really like

1147
01:07:53.760 --> 01:07:59.159
the whole conflict between Ortegas and Una, right, and I

1148
01:07:59.239 --> 01:08:02.079
really especially if you watch that right, how would most

1149
01:08:02.199 --> 01:08:05.360
actors have played that scene, who you know, compared to

1150
01:08:05.480 --> 01:08:08.760
Rebecca remain Right, there would be authoritative, but you cannot

1151
01:08:08.800 --> 01:08:10.760
talk back to me and Da.

1152
01:08:10.440 --> 01:08:13.360
And laying down the law. I am an authority figure.

1153
01:08:13.400 --> 01:08:16.520
Blah blah blah blah blah, No way man. Rebecca remained

1154
01:08:16.560 --> 01:08:20.079
when she had the direction was like very quiet and

1155
01:08:20.279 --> 01:08:24.239
very still and very soft and just like you need

1156
01:08:24.319 --> 01:08:26.239
to listen to what it. I mean, I just thought

1157
01:08:26.279 --> 01:08:28.600
that she underplayed it really, really well.

1158
01:08:29.159 --> 01:08:32.800
And my inkling is, if there is anybody on that

1159
01:08:32.920 --> 01:08:36.640
ship who's going to have the huevos to go up

1160
01:08:36.680 --> 01:08:39.760
to Pike and say, this woman is affecting your judgment

1161
01:08:40.239 --> 01:08:43.760
as a captain, it's Una Chin Riley, Okay. I feel

1162
01:08:43.800 --> 01:08:46.680
like she's almost being positioned to be that that you know,

1163
01:08:46.840 --> 01:08:49.560
the conscience of him saying, you know, because she's the

1164
01:08:49.680 --> 01:08:54.319
constant barometer of behaving like a professional officer, right, you know,

1165
01:08:54.560 --> 01:08:59.560
ad astrap her you children's aspirin. But you know, it's like,

1166
01:09:01.119 --> 01:09:04.600
I mean, she's always she's the bellweather of what correct

1167
01:09:04.960 --> 01:09:08.760
protocol and behavior is right, even though she's being perceived

1168
01:09:08.840 --> 01:09:11.640
as being an outsider because of her lineage, which is

1169
01:09:11.720 --> 01:09:15.199
so unfair. Right, point well taken, But I think she's

1170
01:09:15.319 --> 01:09:17.399
best suited to at some point somebody's got to call

1171
01:09:17.479 --> 01:09:19.920
him on this because he's really you know, and how

1172
01:09:19.960 --> 01:09:23.359
he reacts when things go south with Captain Mattel in

1173
01:09:23.439 --> 01:09:25.840
subsequent episodes, It's gonna be really interesting to see how

1174
01:09:25.880 --> 01:09:29.560
that all plays out. Love the relationship between Pike and

1175
01:09:29.640 --> 01:09:31.479
my Benga that we didn't talked a little bit about.

1176
01:09:31.479 --> 01:09:35.000
I thought it was just fantastic. And I got to say,

1177
01:09:35.000 --> 01:09:37.279
I don't think Uncle Jim's being enthusiastic enough about this.

1178
01:09:37.359 --> 01:09:40.760
For my taste, the Klingons in this episode, for me

1179
01:09:41.000 --> 01:09:44.159
were just phenomenonal. I loved them. They were some of

1180
01:09:44.239 --> 01:09:49.840
my favorite Klingons in forever. I loved one thing. It's

1181
01:09:49.880 --> 01:09:51.560
just I was just I was very excited when they

1182
01:09:51.560 --> 01:09:54.319
showed up and their outfits were exactly the same outfits

1183
01:09:54.720 --> 01:09:58.960
that the Kap Klingons were wearing, you know in Subspace

1184
01:09:59.119 --> 01:10:04.000
Rosy with those gold you know, big cowbards and invests

1185
01:10:04.039 --> 01:10:06.560
and stuff. They were awesome. I was the continuity of

1186
01:10:06.640 --> 01:10:08.840
that that. I mean, yeah, this little Discovery vibe. Dude

1187
01:10:08.840 --> 01:10:11.079
that could do. But they had that same you know,

1188
01:10:11.279 --> 01:10:15.720
cool black menacing kind of they just look badass, right,

1189
01:10:15.880 --> 01:10:17.920
And I just thought this Captain Bitha was one of

1190
01:10:18.000 --> 01:10:20.840
my favorite Klingons I've seen in a back of a

1191
01:10:20.920 --> 01:10:24.039
long time. I thought she was great for me. She

1192
01:10:24.199 --> 01:10:26.760
was super Klingon right from the moment she showed up.

1193
01:10:26.960 --> 01:10:29.600
And for her to be the avenging daughter of the

1194
01:10:29.680 --> 01:10:32.720
guy from the previous season whom a bek God, that

1195
01:10:32.840 --> 01:10:36.399
was amazing, right so for me. And kudos to actress

1196
01:10:36.520 --> 01:10:40.079
Christine Horne, who played Captain Bitha. I thought she brought

1197
01:10:40.119 --> 01:10:43.680
it and did a phenomenal job. My only complaint with

1198
01:10:43.960 --> 01:10:46.960
her performance is that she went out, you know, and

1199
01:10:47.119 --> 01:10:48.840
she went out swinging. But I just I would have

1200
01:10:48.960 --> 01:10:51.920
loved to see more of that character in subsequent episodes.

1201
01:10:51.920 --> 01:10:53.199
I don't think she made it though. It seemed like

1202
01:10:53.239 --> 01:10:56.000
she was being devoured, right, was the impression I got. So,

1203
01:10:56.279 --> 01:10:58.359
I mean, it was kind of a bummer to lose

1204
01:10:58.399 --> 01:11:01.359
her so quickly, But I really want to get back

1205
01:11:01.399 --> 01:11:03.359
to the thing that Eric was talking about, right, I mean,

1206
01:11:03.399 --> 01:11:06.520
I'm talking about all these things I love with this episode, right,

1207
01:11:07.439 --> 01:11:10.279
and they're really cool things, and they were really successful,

1208
01:11:10.319 --> 01:11:12.079
and I thought it was very well done, and the

1209
01:11:12.119 --> 01:11:15.439
stakes keep going up there and then this zombies, right,

1210
01:11:15.520 --> 01:11:17.119
and it's just like this would have been a really

1211
01:11:17.600 --> 01:11:21.399
perfectly fine episode without the nonsense of the zombies.

1212
01:11:21.479 --> 01:11:21.560
Right.

1213
01:11:21.640 --> 01:11:25.079
I was kind of hoping initially that, you know, when

1214
01:11:25.119 --> 01:11:27.880
they were down there in the lab, there would be

1215
01:11:28.039 --> 01:11:31.119
like a monster that they had to get done with, right,

1216
01:11:31.239 --> 01:11:33.560
some kind of alien creature, something that was responsible for

1217
01:11:33.720 --> 01:11:38.319
killing all the well, you remember the Fame drawn a

1218
01:11:38.359 --> 01:11:42.720
blank on it, but Dharmack, right, remember in Dharmack Eric

1219
01:11:42.880 --> 01:11:45.359
when there was like the kind of weird energy monster

1220
01:11:45.560 --> 01:11:48.039
that he was kind of causing problems that got in

1221
01:11:48.079 --> 01:11:50.880
the way of women regarded as something like that I

1222
01:11:51.039 --> 01:11:54.680
was expecting. But zombies, it's just become such a I mean, yeah,

1223
01:11:54.720 --> 01:11:57.039
it's a super trope, but it's such a you know,

1224
01:11:57.520 --> 01:11:58.479
temporary trope.

1225
01:11:58.680 --> 01:11:58.800
Right.

1226
01:11:58.920 --> 01:12:00.840
It doesn't feel time tameless to me. You're going to

1227
01:12:00.920 --> 01:12:03.319
look back at that ten years ago. Oh that is

1228
01:12:03.439 --> 01:12:06.359
so twenty twenty four, all right. I mean it's just

1229
01:12:06.399 --> 01:12:12.520
because it just seems like a shameless, desperate, cheap seats thing, right,

1230
01:12:12.640 --> 01:12:15.319
and just it brought down the episode quite a bit

1231
01:12:15.359 --> 01:12:18.199
whenever that was there, because they're never really convincing our

1232
01:12:18.279 --> 01:12:21.239
graphic threat compared to the level threat level that you

1233
01:12:21.319 --> 01:12:23.640
felt on the Gordon ship with the Gorns and stuff

1234
01:12:23.800 --> 01:12:26.520
running around, or on the Gordon Colony ship much kind

1235
01:12:26.520 --> 01:12:29.239
of a more visceral threat level. These zombies just seem

1236
01:12:29.279 --> 01:12:32.359
like a really tired idea, right. But I don't want

1237
01:12:32.399 --> 01:12:36.000
that to drag from my overall fondness for this episode, though,

1238
01:12:36.119 --> 01:12:38.920
I would, you know, I would probably give it a

1239
01:12:39.000 --> 01:12:41.000
ten word not for the zombies, because I thought the

1240
01:12:41.039 --> 01:12:43.680
writing would, the character work and the performance was so wrong,

1241
01:12:44.199 --> 01:12:48.520
and I dug the new Klingons tremendously and I love

1242
01:12:48.600 --> 01:12:50.600
what's going on with Pttel and Pike, So I'm going

1243
01:12:50.640 --> 01:12:53.439
to land and give it a nine. At the end

1244
01:12:53.439 --> 01:12:55.800
of the day, it would it would be higher without

1245
01:12:55.840 --> 01:12:58.199
the zombies, which I just thought was there's really tedious,

1246
01:12:58.760 --> 01:13:04.199
you know, but I'm really enjoying this season, so I

1247
01:13:04.279 --> 01:13:08.760
thought this was a really interesting transitional episode. I'm dying

1248
01:13:08.840 --> 01:13:11.720
to find out what happens with Ptele. Is anyone else's

1249
01:13:11.760 --> 01:13:13.600
invested as I am. I just feel like I'm just

1250
01:13:13.720 --> 01:13:14.760
dying that what happens.

1251
01:13:15.359 --> 01:13:16.640
Number one thing I'm interested in.

1252
01:13:18.800 --> 01:13:21.079
If they do what she wants to do, And just

1253
01:13:21.159 --> 01:13:23.479
her ferocity of like, you know, she's almost like a

1254
01:13:23.560 --> 01:13:26.520
right to die advocate, right, It's kind of how she's

1255
01:13:26.560 --> 01:13:28.279
coming across and someone you know, you're not going to

1256
01:13:28.319 --> 01:13:30.840
make me live when I don't want to live, right,

1257
01:13:31.039 --> 01:13:32.920
or live how I don't want to live. You're not

1258
01:13:32.960 --> 01:13:34.720
going to tell me what to do or risk your

1259
01:13:34.760 --> 01:13:37.640
life for me. And this is my life and I'll decide. Right,

1260
01:13:37.720 --> 01:13:41.279
She's like a right to die advocate living in Oklahoma, right,

1261
01:13:41.359 --> 01:13:44.079
I mean, it's just it's it's fascinating. So I'm really

1262
01:13:44.279 --> 01:13:47.520
you know, props to her a great performance there. I

1263
01:13:47.640 --> 01:13:51.119
love what they're doing with that. I'm just fascinated. So

1264
01:13:51.239 --> 01:13:53.399
I can't wait to when we're done here, you know,

1265
01:13:54.079 --> 01:13:55.600
have a quick dinner and go see what's happening on

1266
01:13:55.680 --> 01:13:58.880
this newest episode this week. But delightful stuff a nying

1267
01:13:58.920 --> 01:14:03.840
for me, un areservedly. I'm very entertained by good stuff,

1268
01:14:04.079 --> 01:14:04.680
So thanks.

1269
01:14:06.560 --> 01:14:09.199
What would be really cool is if she did become

1270
01:14:09.319 --> 01:14:12.800
a Gorn highbrid and we actually got a Gorn character

1271
01:14:12.960 --> 01:14:14.920
on the ship type of deal that would be.

1272
01:14:15.000 --> 01:14:15.680
Part of the crew.

1273
01:14:16.359 --> 01:14:20.479
Yeah, I was Captain's own ship.

1274
01:14:20.920 --> 01:14:23.960
Yeah, I mean, I am fascinated. But I mean I

1275
01:14:24.000 --> 01:14:26.319
don't think we've run into anything quite like this before, right,

1276
01:14:26.439 --> 01:14:29.560
Like you know, I mean stuff like with Tuvik's on Voyager,

1277
01:14:29.720 --> 01:14:31.760
stuff like the occasion you would do on Deep specif

1278
01:14:33.039 --> 01:14:36.119
they're pushing the boundaries of their storytelling and they're not

1279
01:14:36.199 --> 01:14:38.600
just sitting around on their laurels, right, and and I

1280
01:14:38.720 --> 01:14:42.960
really like what they're willing to make the characters grapple

1281
01:14:43.039 --> 01:14:45.960
with new things, it seems this year, right, So I'm

1282
01:14:46.119 --> 01:14:48.800
I'm super optimistic about the direction the things I had

1283
01:14:48.840 --> 01:14:50.199
it so super fun.

1284
01:14:52.159 --> 01:14:55.399
Well the uh you've heard everyone else's what do you think?

1285
01:14:57.159 --> 01:15:00.119
Yeah, well, going back, I was going to say, with

1286
01:15:01.600 --> 01:15:07.119
Una taking Ortagas for off the duty roster for two weeks,

1287
01:15:07.199 --> 01:15:10.399
and you're saying that it doesn't seem like a whole

1288
01:15:10.479 --> 01:15:14.199
lot or or Tagus it is for her not being

1289
01:15:14.239 --> 01:15:19.239
able to fly the ship for even a day is tough.

1290
01:15:19.359 --> 01:15:22.720
So two weeks for her is going to be an eternity.

1291
01:15:23.439 --> 01:15:26.199
But I do like how she said, you know how

1292
01:15:26.279 --> 01:15:29.600
when I said specifically to do it whatever it was

1293
01:15:29.760 --> 01:15:33.840
the something impulse, and she did it a little bit

1294
01:15:33.920 --> 01:15:35.720
more said oops, my finger slipped.

1295
01:15:38.199 --> 01:15:39.880
But uh, so there's that.

1296
01:15:40.119 --> 01:15:43.359
So we're still going to see or Tagus grappling with

1297
01:15:43.560 --> 01:15:50.640
her PTSD. But I somehow missed, and I feel kind

1298
01:15:50.680 --> 01:15:54.800
of I realized now because I thought that that Chimera blossom.

1299
01:15:55.520 --> 01:15:58.039
I thought the whole point of that was that it

1300
01:15:58.199 --> 01:16:03.159
was it would take all the bad Gorn DNA out

1301
01:16:03.199 --> 01:16:09.720
of Battel. So I somehow missed how they how she's

1302
01:16:09.800 --> 01:16:13.239
now going to become a human Gorn hybrid.

1303
01:16:13.479 --> 01:16:15.800
So I don't know if they did.

1304
01:16:15.920 --> 01:16:18.680
They did a good job of suggesting that to us,

1305
01:16:18.920 --> 01:16:21.479
But as Captain Betel said, I never lied to you,

1306
01:16:21.720 --> 01:16:24.039
and they never lied to us. They never said it

1307
01:16:24.079 --> 01:16:26.520
would take it away. They just said he would treat it.

1308
01:16:27.159 --> 01:16:32.119
Ah, yeah, that's what I Yeah. But also with the

1309
01:16:33.399 --> 01:16:39.000
captain Bitha was her name. She didn't hate Benga because

1310
01:16:40.159 --> 01:16:43.640
he killed her father. It's like she wanted to do

1311
01:16:43.760 --> 01:16:48.239
it because she hated him. She considered him a trader,

1312
01:16:48.399 --> 01:16:54.239
so he took away her honor by assassinating her father.

1313
01:16:55.439 --> 01:16:58.680
So I thought that was interesting because when I first

1314
01:16:58.720 --> 01:17:01.119
saw that, I was expecting her to want to get

1315
01:17:01.199 --> 01:17:06.079
revenge because you know, the whole uh my name is

1316
01:17:06.520 --> 01:17:11.079
Captain Bitha, you murdered my father, prepared to die type

1317
01:17:11.119 --> 01:17:14.920
of that type of thing. But no, she was mad

1318
01:17:14.960 --> 01:17:20.279
at him because he took away her you know, her ability,

1319
01:17:20.520 --> 01:17:25.279
you know, her desire to be able to assassinate her father.

1320
01:17:26.079 --> 01:17:29.079
But the whole zombie thing, yeah, I well there, First off,

1321
01:17:29.119 --> 01:17:32.039
there was a there's a whole series called The Walking

1322
01:17:32.199 --> 01:17:38.039
deads zombies have been have been popular. I don't know

1323
01:17:38.079 --> 01:17:40.800
if that show is still on, but it's it's been

1324
01:17:40.840 --> 01:17:46.920
out there for a while. But just at the turn,

1325
01:17:47.399 --> 01:17:53.079
oh that scene where she's killing the zombies, Bitha is

1326
01:17:53.279 --> 01:17:56.680
and then she knocks that one down and stomps on

1327
01:17:56.880 --> 01:17:59.880
his head. I just went I screamed out loud. That

1328
01:18:00.159 --> 01:18:03.680
was just so gross. So I give them props to

1329
01:18:03.960 --> 01:18:08.359
their their special effects and everything, but I could have

1330
01:18:08.479 --> 01:18:13.199
done without all the all the gore and everything. But overall,

1331
01:18:13.239 --> 01:18:15.479
I think I would rate it about maybe an eight.

1332
01:18:17.479 --> 01:18:19.239
Maybe I would have given it more if there hadn't

1333
01:18:19.279 --> 01:18:22.960
been zombies, but still was action packed.

1334
01:18:24.600 --> 01:18:30.479
So that I'm still a very respectable score. Nonetheless, well David,

1335
01:18:30.560 --> 01:18:32.399
you had you had something you wanted to add.

1336
01:18:34.000 --> 01:18:39.039
Yeah, yeah, So first before I get into all the

1337
01:18:39.479 --> 01:18:42.840
fun theories that I had, I think this episode misch

1338
01:18:42.920 --> 01:18:46.159
a really big opportunity, Like with Paul was saying about

1339
01:18:46.319 --> 01:18:51.079
before the whole zombie thing. No, it didn't get it

1340
01:18:51.119 --> 01:18:53.159
for me, and they should have gone for like some

1341
01:18:53.359 --> 01:18:57.680
sort of ancient cleanon monster or something and their history

1342
01:18:57.720 --> 01:19:00.399
that they could have done instead of bombies.

1343
01:19:00.640 --> 01:19:03.279
I mean to me.

1344
01:19:03.560 --> 01:19:08.079
Yeah, anyways, that whole thing is weird. But I do

1345
01:19:08.199 --> 01:19:10.199
have a picture to show you all because I think

1346
01:19:10.399 --> 01:19:14.199
I know what happened to Bettel when she, if she

1347
01:19:14.359 --> 01:19:17.399
ever does get turned into a zombie, and I think

1348
01:19:17.520 --> 01:19:21.119
she's going to become this little guy just saying it's

1349
01:19:21.119 --> 01:19:23.319
a theory, but it could be a working theory. I

1350
01:19:23.359 --> 01:19:25.079
don't know if it's going to be something that they're

1351
01:19:25.079 --> 01:19:28.319
going to be doing, but just the fact that it

1352
01:19:28.439 --> 01:19:30.600
makes sense of how slow she's going she doesn't want

1353
01:19:30.600 --> 01:19:30.960
to kill.

1354
01:19:30.920 --> 01:19:34.479
Code outfit in her quarters in the closet. I mean,

1355
01:19:34.520 --> 01:19:40.279
I think you're onto something, David. I'm pretty sure she

1356
01:19:40.399 --> 01:19:44.079
wore that to like one cocktail thing it bikes, you know, dinner.

1357
01:19:44.119 --> 01:19:45.880
I think that you crack the code man?

1358
01:19:47.079 --> 01:19:49.439
Are you a secret writer? On? Are you a spy

1359
01:19:49.720 --> 01:19:52.399
from Paramount? Plus David not.

1360
01:19:52.520 --> 01:19:57.039
Saying anything but no, but yeah, it would be really

1361
01:19:57.079 --> 01:19:59.159
funny if they did go that direction. I would laugh

1362
01:19:59.239 --> 01:20:05.640
out loud. And but other than that, yeah, to me, I,

1363
01:20:07.119 --> 01:20:09.079
like I said before, I did not like the dom Beat.

1364
01:20:09.079 --> 01:20:11.520
I don't like horror movies at all in general, And

1365
01:20:12.479 --> 01:20:14.800
like what you were saying that discussion part would uh,

1366
01:20:15.399 --> 01:20:17.439
I think we wanted to clean on she stepped on

1367
01:20:17.600 --> 01:20:21.159
the dom be head was like, what was that?

1368
01:20:21.439 --> 01:20:21.720
Jelly?

1369
01:20:22.359 --> 01:20:23.159
But I mean.

1370
01:20:25.920 --> 01:20:26.720
To me, though.

1371
01:20:30.000 --> 01:20:32.359
There was a there was a couple of interesting parts.

1372
01:20:32.399 --> 01:20:35.479
It actually surprised me that she was the daughter of

1373
01:20:35.840 --> 01:20:44.199
the Cleanon ambassador. I actually liked that, and I enjoyed

1374
01:20:44.560 --> 01:20:49.199
the whole talk between Pike and Battel that was an

1375
01:20:49.279 --> 01:20:52.800
interesting going and also between Pike and uh and Benga

1376
01:20:53.399 --> 01:20:57.520
on the shuttle and back. But honestly, this episode in general,

1377
01:20:57.600 --> 01:21:02.479
I thought it was really interesting that they decided to

1378
01:21:02.640 --> 01:21:05.800
go with zombies that it doesn't work for me. I'm

1379
01:21:05.840 --> 01:21:08.520
sorry if I'm pretty much off, but why it could

1380
01:21:08.520 --> 01:21:13.000
have gone with like something better way rats, I guess

1381
01:21:13.079 --> 01:21:18.760
I don't know, but yeah, over, I don't want to

1382
01:21:18.760 --> 01:21:21.119
take too much time. But to me this particular episode,

1383
01:21:21.119 --> 01:21:23.239
I'm going to be giving it a I'm gonna be

1384
01:21:23.279 --> 01:21:26.000
giving it a shick point eight. I think I just

1385
01:21:26.079 --> 01:21:27.560
can't go any higher than that. To me, it's just

1386
01:21:27.680 --> 01:21:29.119
nombies is just not fun for me.

1387
01:21:29.199 --> 01:21:30.439
It could just be that, like, you know, I mean,

1388
01:21:30.479 --> 01:21:33.079
we're supposed to be a deep space right and you know,

1389
01:21:34.039 --> 01:21:37.279
deep intergalactic explorers, right, and zombies is such a you know,

1390
01:21:37.880 --> 01:21:40.720
homegrown thing, right. It's part of our you know, pop culture,

1391
01:21:41.119 --> 01:21:43.479
So it doesn't seem like it's a very outer space thing, right.

1392
01:21:43.520 --> 01:21:46.279
It's just like it's not doesn't seem alien or creative.

1393
01:21:46.319 --> 01:21:48.800
It just seems boring compared to like, you know, the

1394
01:21:48.880 --> 01:21:50.439
countless exciting.

1395
01:21:52.399 --> 01:21:57.560
Like, well, they have a cute necrosis of the you know,

1396
01:21:58.800 --> 01:21:59.079
it's just.

1397
01:21:59.199 --> 01:22:01.800
It's just it just it's all familiar, right, It's just like,

1398
01:22:01.960 --> 01:22:03.760
you know, yeah.

1399
01:22:04.119 --> 01:22:08.399
Technically, if we want to get technical, anybody watching The

1400
01:22:08.520 --> 01:22:09.119
Last of Us?

1401
01:22:10.000 --> 01:22:12.119
Yeah, oh yeah, no, yes, maybe no.

1402
01:22:12.399 --> 01:22:15.880
Yeah, So these actually weren't zombies like on The Walking Dead.

1403
01:22:15.960 --> 01:22:18.880
These were more like the like the the creatures we

1404
01:22:18.960 --> 01:22:21.159
see on the Last of Us because they were infected

1405
01:22:21.239 --> 01:22:25.199
with the plant DNA and they were no longer humans.

1406
01:22:25.279 --> 01:22:32.319
They were actually plant people and not actually zombies like technicality,

1407
01:22:32.479 --> 01:22:37.119
but zombi. They were more plant than people. That's why

1408
01:22:37.159 --> 01:22:39.600
they didn't register on the tricorder. They were more like

1409
01:22:39.800 --> 01:22:43.439
right right, okay, yeah, they were the creatures on Last

1410
01:22:43.520 --> 01:22:46.520
of Us that were interconnected through the roots of the

1411
01:22:46.600 --> 01:22:52.319
planet type of deal. Not that changes anything, yeah, but

1412
01:22:52.840 --> 01:22:55.399
still slightly different.

1413
01:22:55.439 --> 01:22:57.119
I just wanted to throw that in there.

1414
01:22:57.720 --> 01:23:00.840
So all right, well, charge you get to bring up

1415
01:23:00.840 --> 01:23:02.560
the caboose on the Zombies, buddy.

1416
01:23:03.319 --> 01:23:03.760
All right.

1417
01:23:04.439 --> 01:23:07.279
That's when I'm surprised, because I thought Eric or Paul

1418
01:23:07.359 --> 01:23:09.840
would come up with a reference to why the episode

1419
01:23:09.920 --> 01:23:13.279
was titled this way, and I find it while trying

1420
01:23:13.319 --> 01:23:17.279
to find easter eggs. This is the reference to the

1421
01:23:17.479 --> 01:23:22.479
actor can for Heat, famous for his role in Dawn

1422
01:23:22.640 --> 01:23:27.399
of the Dead. So they've taken that actor's name combined it.

1423
01:23:27.720 --> 01:23:30.880
That's where the title of the planet comes from.

1424
01:23:36.640 --> 01:23:41.399
This but the shuttle ride is five minutes out of

1425
01:23:41.439 --> 01:23:44.119
the episode. It doesn't make any sense to name it

1426
01:23:44.199 --> 01:23:46.640
after the shuttle ride there. It's like saying, you know,

1427
01:23:46.800 --> 01:23:49.439
it's like, you know, if like we named this episode

1428
01:23:49.479 --> 01:23:52.880
of the podcast difficulty Logging onto Riverside, right, I mean,

1429
01:23:52.960 --> 01:23:56.359
it's just it's a lot more happens beyond that. It

1430
01:23:56.439 --> 01:23:57.479
seems like a silly title.

1431
01:23:57.520 --> 01:23:57.960
I agree.

1432
01:23:59.680 --> 01:24:04.680
Well, and they referenced to a zombie somebody known for

1433
01:24:05.119 --> 01:24:10.199
being a zombie from a zombie movie. Yeah, I think

1434
01:24:10.239 --> 01:24:12.760
I agree with the group. It's a trope that I

1435
01:24:13.079 --> 01:24:16.760
don't think we really need to go back to. I think.

1436
01:24:18.520 --> 01:24:20.800
They weren't formally zombies.

1437
01:24:20.439 --> 01:24:23.039
But I think Lower Deck did a better job of

1438
01:24:23.399 --> 01:24:28.279
how they had the zombies zombie Phi the crew like

1439
01:24:28.399 --> 01:24:29.920
they did with Station with.

1440
01:24:33.159 --> 01:24:33.439
Eighty.

1441
01:24:36.000 --> 01:24:38.199
But I think Eric kind of I wondered why I

1442
01:24:38.399 --> 01:24:39.159
referenced the.

1443
01:24:40.960 --> 01:24:45.079
Vulcan Ritual of Death because I was doing a search

1444
01:24:45.119 --> 01:24:52.439
and it's like, Okay, she wants. She's trying to get

1445
01:24:52.479 --> 01:24:54.920
her honor backed by trying to kill her father, so

1446
01:24:55.039 --> 01:24:59.279
she wants to kill her father's killer. And I was

1447
01:24:59.359 --> 01:25:02.840
trying to find a good ritual of death for Klingons

1448
01:25:04.439 --> 01:25:09.840
and I couldn't find one. You have the ritual when

1449
01:25:10.039 --> 01:25:16.720
a Klingon is being sent to Stovercore. But I've never

1450
01:25:16.880 --> 01:25:24.119
found really any reference to a Clingon wanting the death

1451
01:25:24.159 --> 01:25:29.199
of another of somebody else because of what they did,

1452
01:25:29.520 --> 01:25:37.039
the protecting their families, protecting the family's name, which is

1453
01:25:37.079 --> 01:25:38.920
why I came up with that one item.

1454
01:25:39.039 --> 01:25:40.199
It's like, okay that.

1455
01:25:43.039 --> 01:25:45.359
I'm not sure where that specific, because I know that

1456
01:25:45.439 --> 01:25:50.720
there's all kinds of clingon rights, playing on rituals, and

1457
01:25:50.840 --> 01:25:56.319
a lot of them all came from DS nine, so

1458
01:25:56.960 --> 01:26:02.640
not from TNNG, but from DS nine. I do like

1459
01:26:02.760 --> 01:26:08.520
the argument that they hit with why Spock and Mandega

1460
01:26:08.680 --> 01:26:11.560
should go down there, because we go back to the

1461
01:26:11.720 --> 01:26:18.119
era of Kirk not Kirk, Pike not Pike John looked Bacard,

1462
01:26:18.239 --> 01:26:21.479
where the captain didn't go down to a daring, dangerous situation,

1463
01:26:22.600 --> 01:26:25.079
and so it's rare to send a captain down when

1464
01:26:25.119 --> 01:26:30.199
they could get hurt. And yet Pike's going to risk

1465
01:26:30.279 --> 01:26:35.039
himself for this mission, of course, knowing he's going to

1466
01:26:35.159 --> 01:26:41.920
have to come back because he's got plot armor. But

1467
01:26:44.720 --> 01:26:49.000
I thought the conversation between the he and the doctor

1468
01:26:49.119 --> 01:26:53.600
got interesting. But I think we could see a little

1469
01:26:53.640 --> 01:26:59.399
bit of Pop Pikes blind sidedness that of trying to

1470
01:26:59.479 --> 01:27:03.720
protect the real friend, and then of course the conversation.

1471
01:27:05.279 --> 01:27:07.079
I think one of the things in this episode that

1472
01:27:07.199 --> 01:27:12.760
kind of threw me off, which is Una changed her hairstyle.

1473
01:27:13.079 --> 01:27:16.880
It might have been for the episode with that zero one,

1474
01:27:17.479 --> 01:27:19.079
but just kind of threwing me out. It's like, Okay,

1475
01:27:19.199 --> 01:27:21.319
I'm so used to her having her hair down. All

1476
01:27:21.359 --> 01:27:23.880
of a sudden her hair is up. It's like, okay,

1477
01:27:24.119 --> 01:27:27.439
that's it. Kind of threw me on her character just

1478
01:27:27.600 --> 01:27:36.920
a little bit. But overall, I think everybody's kind of

1479
01:27:36.920 --> 01:27:39.000
said most of what's gonna be said on this episode.

1480
01:27:40.600 --> 01:27:43.840
I'm gonna kind of agree with Eric on this one

1481
01:27:44.159 --> 01:27:48.680
and go with a seven. This was definitely not one

1482
01:27:48.720 --> 01:27:50.279
of my more favorite episodes.

1483
01:27:52.520 --> 01:27:56.720
Still not not not too shabby. Seven's not bad at all,

1484
01:27:58.359 --> 01:28:01.159
not bad at all. So over all, how do we

1485
01:28:01.279 --> 01:28:03.039
compare to our Minions?

1486
01:28:03.159 --> 01:28:07.399
Charles Well, Our Minions gave this a six point nine

1487
01:28:08.600 --> 01:28:11.000
and the host gave it a seven point eight.

1488
01:28:12.960 --> 01:28:17.199
M so not too far off the fans.

1489
01:28:22.199 --> 01:28:25.199
All right, So that wraps up our review of Shuttle

1490
01:28:25.239 --> 01:28:27.399
to con for a And you know what time it is.

1491
01:28:27.520 --> 01:28:32.680
Now it's time for our Star Trek birthdays.

1492
01:28:51.439 --> 01:28:55.279
That was waiting for the transmission to Cocket, right.

1493
01:28:55.640 --> 01:28:58.079
All right, every our Star Trek Birthdays.

1494
01:28:58.119 --> 01:29:00.279
And we start off with remembering those members of our

1495
01:29:00.319 --> 01:29:04.239
Start Trek family who, sadly enough, are no longer with us,

1496
01:29:04.399 --> 01:29:06.279
and for that we turned to Eric.

1497
01:29:07.600 --> 01:29:07.800
Yeah.

1498
01:29:07.840 --> 01:29:11.319
This week we start our remembrances with actress Phyllis Douglas.

1499
01:29:12.960 --> 01:29:15.479
She is the actress who played Yeoman Mears in the

1500
01:29:15.560 --> 01:29:19.880
original series first season episode The Galileo Seven and Mayvig

1501
01:29:20.159 --> 01:29:24.680
in the third season episode The Way to Eden. Interesting

1502
01:29:24.760 --> 01:29:27.119
fact about her, she actually made her acting debut at

1503
01:29:27.199 --> 01:29:30.079
two years old in that classic Gone with the Win

1504
01:29:30.239 --> 01:29:35.479
from nineteen thirty nine. Happy Birthday, Phyllis Douglas, Happy Birthday.

1505
01:29:35.520 --> 01:29:38.960
As well to Jacqueline Brooks, the actress who played Admiral

1506
01:29:39.159 --> 01:29:42.479
Brand in the Next Generation fifth season episode The First

1507
01:29:42.640 --> 01:29:49.720
Duty Before Anybody Asks. She's one of the good ones. Yeah,

1508
01:29:49.840 --> 01:29:52.439
probably one of my favorite admirals. In fact, John Luke

1509
01:29:52.479 --> 01:29:57.560
Picard called her a formidable woman. She's done some movies

1510
01:29:57.640 --> 01:30:00.520
along the way. Not too many things on her IMDb,

1511
01:30:00.680 --> 01:30:03.399
but you can go check her out. Jacqueline Brooks lost

1512
01:30:03.479 --> 01:30:05.439
back in twenty thirteen at the age of eighty two

1513
01:30:05.520 --> 01:30:09.079
years old. Happy birthday to her. Happy birthday as well

1514
01:30:09.199 --> 01:30:13.920
to palaw Pilar Sarat, the actress who played Cybo in

1515
01:30:14.000 --> 01:30:18.720
the Original series second season episode Wolf in the Fold.

1516
01:30:20.199 --> 01:30:22.159
One of my favorite things about this actress is that

1517
01:30:23.199 --> 01:30:27.000
she's an immigrant. She came from the Philippines and contributed

1518
01:30:27.600 --> 01:30:31.520
tons of stuff to American culture after she came over.

1519
01:30:32.680 --> 01:30:35.119
So many movies, so many television shows, I can't even

1520
01:30:35.159 --> 01:30:37.640
begin to name them. You should go check out her IMDb.

1521
01:30:38.319 --> 01:30:40.439
She's been gone a long time though, twenty four years

1522
01:30:40.479 --> 01:30:42.760
lost back in two thousand and one at the young

1523
01:30:42.880 --> 01:30:47.479
age of sixty two years old. Happy birthday to Pilar Sarat.

1524
01:30:48.279 --> 01:30:52.760
Happy birthday as well to Celeste Yarnall, the actress who

1525
01:30:52.840 --> 01:30:56.560
played Yeoman Martha Landon in the TOS second season episode

1526
01:30:57.239 --> 01:31:01.159
The Apple. I remember actually seeing her on Bewitched. She

1527
01:31:01.359 --> 01:31:04.079
was on that show every once in a while, but

1528
01:31:04.199 --> 01:31:06.439
she was also on shows like Man from Uncle and

1529
01:31:06.520 --> 01:31:11.279
Bonanza and landed the Giants along the Way. She actually

1530
01:31:11.359 --> 01:31:14.000
had a role in the Charles Bronson action film The

1531
01:31:14.119 --> 01:31:17.359
Mechanic also, and if you haven't seen The Mechanic, highly

1532
01:31:17.439 --> 01:31:21.479
recommend it. Celesti Yarnall lost back in twenty eighteen. Happy

1533
01:31:21.520 --> 01:31:26.199
Birthday to her. Happy birthday as well to Catherine Hayes,

1534
01:31:26.319 --> 01:31:30.479
the actress who played Gem as named by our Good

1535
01:31:30.560 --> 01:31:35.279
Doctor McCoy in the TS third season episode The m Path.

1536
01:31:35.800 --> 01:31:38.960
She of course was born Kay Piper and did lots

1537
01:31:39.000 --> 01:31:42.159
of guest starring along the Way, but definitely best well

1538
01:31:42.199 --> 01:31:46.079
known for her role as kim On As the World

1539
01:31:46.279 --> 01:31:52.239
turns for guess how long twenty eight years. Let's see

1540
01:31:52.239 --> 01:31:56.199
what's on that soap opera. Catherine Hayes lost just three

1541
01:31:56.239 --> 01:31:59.279
years ago in twenty twenty two. Happy Birthday to her Eric.

1542
01:31:59.359 --> 01:32:02.359
I just wanted to add something here that the episode

1543
01:32:02.399 --> 01:32:04.960
that she's in Jem is really not one of the

1544
01:32:05.079 --> 01:32:07.720
better Star Trek episodes. I think most fans would agree,

1545
01:32:08.399 --> 01:32:14.119
but her performance in this episode, without saying a single word,

1546
01:32:14.720 --> 01:32:17.560
I think is one of the strongest performances we've seen

1547
01:32:17.640 --> 01:32:19.640
from a Star Trek guest actor, and I think she

1548
01:32:19.720 --> 01:32:24.439
did a phenomenal job of acting without speaking, so I

1549
01:32:24.560 --> 01:32:27.760
think she was a great, great, great actress.

1550
01:32:28.439 --> 01:32:28.760
Awesome.

1551
01:32:28.800 --> 01:32:30.960
Thanks for that, Jim Gay, I totally agree with you.

1552
01:32:32.640 --> 01:32:36.279
Moving along, Happy birthday to Biff Elliott, the actor who

1553
01:32:36.359 --> 01:32:39.239
played Schmidter in the two US first season episode The

1554
01:32:39.319 --> 01:32:41.560
Devil in the Dark. I know I always say this

1555
01:32:41.640 --> 01:32:43.439
when this episode comes up, but definitely one of my

1556
01:32:43.520 --> 01:32:47.600
favorite episodes of TOS. I remember seeing it myriad times

1557
01:32:47.640 --> 01:32:51.960
as a child in the children's department of my public library.

1558
01:32:53.680 --> 01:32:56.239
This guy also has a pretty good resume. You should

1559
01:32:56.239 --> 01:32:58.479
go check it out. One of the things that I

1560
01:32:58.640 --> 01:33:01.560
just noticed is that he has starred and guest starred

1561
01:33:01.640 --> 01:33:03.880
with so many other people from Star Trek. He's worked

1562
01:33:03.880 --> 01:33:07.479
with Jeffrey Hunter and other stuff. He's worked with Billy

1563
01:33:07.560 --> 01:33:11.399
Quinn and other stuff. William Campbell said, Hey, Diana Muldar

1564
01:33:11.960 --> 01:33:15.600
and Mark Leonard where he was in Back from Back

1565
01:33:15.640 --> 01:33:18.039
to Planet of the Apes. So lots and lots of

1566
01:33:18.199 --> 01:33:21.279
cool tie ins with other Star Trek actors. Bif Elliott

1567
01:33:21.880 --> 01:33:24.079
lost back in twenty twelve at the age of eighty nine.

1568
01:33:24.119 --> 01:33:27.600
Happy birthday to him. Happy birthday as well to Bruce Watson,

1569
01:33:27.640 --> 01:33:31.199
the American actor who played Green and the m One

1570
01:33:31.359 --> 01:33:35.079
thirteen Creatures assumed form of Green in the TOS first

1571
01:33:35.079 --> 01:33:40.079
season episode The Man Trap. This guy mostly starred as

1572
01:33:40.119 --> 01:33:43.920
an expendable. You look at his resume and he was

1573
01:33:44.079 --> 01:33:49.399
constantly dying. Kind of a funny thing. But he also

1574
01:33:49.520 --> 01:33:52.279
did voiceover work for children's shows, so kind of a

1575
01:33:52.399 --> 01:33:54.479
neat like, you know, I die all the time, but

1576
01:33:54.560 --> 01:33:57.920
I take care of children. Bruce Watson very interesting actor.

1577
01:33:57.960 --> 01:33:59.800
You should go check him out as well. Lost back

1578
01:33:59.840 --> 01:34:01.199
in two thousand and nine.

1579
01:34:01.840 --> 01:34:02.960
And he's not a red shirt.

1580
01:34:03.640 --> 01:34:05.760
He's not I know, he's a gold shirt and he

1581
01:34:05.840 --> 01:34:06.439
still died.

1582
01:34:06.880 --> 01:34:09.920
Yeah, he's a gold Shirt and he still died. Figure

1583
01:34:09.960 --> 01:34:10.520
that one out.

1584
01:34:13.159 --> 01:34:15.960
And last, but not least, I would like to extend

1585
01:34:16.239 --> 01:34:23.760
my most sincere congratulations and like awe inspiring, Like this

1586
01:34:23.920 --> 01:34:26.399
guy just really I think is fantastic and I still

1587
01:34:26.439 --> 01:34:28.359
can't believe he's gone. I remember when he died back

1588
01:34:28.399 --> 01:34:31.880
in twenty twenty two. We are celebrating this week the

1589
01:34:31.960 --> 01:34:35.760
Happy the birthday of David Warner, who was born just

1590
01:34:35.840 --> 01:34:40.399
two days ago on July twenty ninth in nineteen forty one. He,

1591
01:34:40.560 --> 01:34:43.359
of course, is the English actor who played Saint John

1592
01:34:43.439 --> 01:34:47.680
Talbot in Star Trek five. He also played the Klingon Gorkon,

1593
01:34:47.960 --> 01:34:50.439
probably one of the coolest Klingons we've ever seen, in

1594
01:34:50.520 --> 01:34:54.520
Star Trek six The Undiscovered Country. But he's probably best

1595
01:34:54.600 --> 01:34:57.039
well known in Star Trek for his role as Goal

1596
01:34:57.359 --> 01:35:00.399
Madrid in the Next Generation six season episode His Chain

1597
01:35:00.439 --> 01:35:04.600
of Command Parts one and part two. He actually replied

1598
01:35:04.760 --> 01:35:07.800
reprised the role of the Klingon gor Khan for a

1599
01:35:08.000 --> 01:35:13.720
video game called Star Trek Klingon Academy as well. In

1600
01:35:13.840 --> 01:35:16.119
terms of his role as Goal Madrid, I just wanted

1601
01:35:16.199 --> 01:35:19.359
to note that he took over the role of Goal

1602
01:35:19.479 --> 01:35:23.479
Madrid on three days notice, and though he had previously

1603
01:35:23.640 --> 01:35:25.840
appeared in Star Trek five, in Star Trek six he

1604
01:35:25.920 --> 01:35:31.600
knew nothing about Cardassians, so he, you know, to be

1605
01:35:31.640 --> 01:35:34.000
able to do that and then to come out and

1606
01:35:34.159 --> 01:35:36.279
just give a performance like that, I think is something

1607
01:35:37.000 --> 01:35:40.680
super duper special. Another cool role that I just wanted

1608
01:35:40.720 --> 01:35:42.399
to give him a little shout out for was he

1609
01:35:42.520 --> 01:35:47.399
did the voiceover work he'd play in Batman, the animated series.

1610
01:35:47.479 --> 01:35:50.039
He played ros Al Ghoul, and if you don't know

1611
01:35:50.079 --> 01:35:52.079
who that is, you need to go get some Batman

1612
01:35:52.159 --> 01:35:55.279
lore under your belt. A very important character in the

1613
01:35:55.319 --> 01:35:59.399
Batman Universe and Batman, the animated series widely seen as

1614
01:35:59.479 --> 01:36:03.199
probably one of the best animated series ever produced for

1615
01:36:03.279 --> 01:36:07.319
a comic book character. The hits just keep on coming.

1616
01:36:07.359 --> 01:36:12.079
We're talking Wore, the Roses, tron Brains, the Lost World,

1617
01:36:12.239 --> 01:36:15.880
the Hunger. He was on Babylon five. He actually was

1618
01:36:15.960 --> 01:36:19.920
on an episode of Doctor Who from season eight as well,

1619
01:36:20.039 --> 01:36:25.439
excuse me, series eight. So David Warner just really something

1620
01:36:25.479 --> 01:36:27.720
else and he has absolutely missed. He did live to

1621
01:36:27.800 --> 01:36:31.279
be eighty years old. Happy birthday to him and that

1622
01:36:31.439 --> 01:36:33.560
everybody does it for our remembrances.

1623
01:36:33.640 --> 01:36:37.640
This week Start five the Final Frontier. Yeah, I mean

1624
01:36:38.640 --> 01:36:40.119
yea favorite.

1625
01:36:41.199 --> 01:36:43.319
Yeah, I know, we always so.

1626
01:36:44.239 --> 01:36:47.720
Yeah, birthday though. Ted Cassidy is in there.

1627
01:36:48.840 --> 01:36:52.920
Oh did I miss Ted Cassidy yea oh sorry, yeah,

1628
01:36:53.399 --> 01:36:53.760
look at that.

1629
01:36:54.079 --> 01:36:56.039
I put him in there just for you because I

1630
01:36:56.119 --> 01:36:57.199
know you like him.

1631
01:36:57.479 --> 01:37:00.199
Well I do. I guess I missed that when I

1632
01:37:00.279 --> 01:37:02.000
was doing my notes. Sorry about that, guys.

1633
01:37:02.359 --> 01:37:02.680
So yeah.

1634
01:37:02.760 --> 01:37:06.680
Ted Cassidy the actor who played Rock in the cos

1635
01:37:06.760 --> 01:37:09.079
first season episode What Are Little Girls Made Of and

1636
01:37:09.159 --> 01:37:11.680
also did voice over roles for the Gordon Captain and

1637
01:37:11.760 --> 01:37:16.119
Arena and Baila's puppet in the Corp of My maneuver,

1638
01:37:17.239 --> 01:37:22.600
and I, of course also know him as the butler

1639
01:37:23.079 --> 01:37:31.399
from Adam's Smiley Alerts, Good old Alerts. Yeah, I think

1640
01:37:31.439 --> 01:37:33.520
he was in like here. Oh yeah, I'm looking at

1641
01:37:33.560 --> 01:37:33.960
the thing here.

1642
01:37:34.039 --> 01:37:34.199
Yeah.

1643
01:37:34.279 --> 01:37:36.720
Harry and the Hunters I remember are not Harry Oh no,

1644
01:37:36.800 --> 01:37:38.359
six million dollar man. Oh I thought he was in

1645
01:37:38.399 --> 01:37:42.199
Harry and Henderson's anyway, Ted Cassidy would I had a

1646
01:37:42.239 --> 01:37:45.199
birthday this week as well? Sorry I missed that one

1647
01:37:45.239 --> 01:37:48.159
along the way. That does it for our remembrances this week,

1648
01:37:51.960 --> 01:37:53.199
So I passed this over to Charles.

1649
01:37:53.279 --> 01:37:55.199
Now, Charles take it away, buddy.

1650
01:37:55.479 --> 01:37:57.279
Well, thank You've only got a couple of them on

1651
01:37:57.399 --> 01:38:01.800
my list today. Let's start off with a happy birthday

1652
01:38:01.880 --> 01:38:08.039
to Michael Welsh, actor played Armis in Star Trek Insurrection.

1653
01:38:09.079 --> 01:38:11.760
He won a Young Artist Award in the category Best

1654
01:38:11.840 --> 01:38:16.920
Performance in a Featured Film Supporting Young Actor. Star Trek

1655
01:38:17.000 --> 01:38:25.439
Insurrection was his first feature film. Next, Happy Birthday.

1656
01:38:25.079 --> 01:38:25.600
That I'm in.

1657
01:38:28.680 --> 01:38:35.600
Somalian model, an actress who played Martia in Star Trek six.

1658
01:38:36.359 --> 01:38:38.199
The Undiscovered Country.

1659
01:38:40.920 --> 01:38:43.039
Is Immon Ammon Himan.

1660
01:38:45.840 --> 01:38:50.279
Okay, and my last one is a very happy birthday.

1661
01:38:50.439 --> 01:38:54.600
Nana Visitor, American actress best known for a betrayal as

1662
01:38:54.640 --> 01:38:59.920
a major later Colonel Kierra Nouris in DS nine and lower.

1663
01:39:02.239 --> 01:39:03.520
Paul Who's on your list?

1664
01:39:06.279 --> 01:39:08.399
Thank you, Charles. First of all, let's have happy birthday

1665
01:39:08.439 --> 01:39:12.840
to actress Deirdre Immersheine, actress who played Joe Ball in

1666
01:39:12.920 --> 01:39:17.880
the Next Generation's third season episode Captain's Holiday and Wattley

1667
01:39:18.199 --> 01:39:22.520
in Deep Space nine's fifth season episode Trials and Tribulations.

1668
01:39:22.960 --> 01:39:28.680
Get it a huge happy birthday to the luminous Summer Glow,

1669
01:39:29.199 --> 01:39:33.359
American actress and dancer, best known for her role as

1670
01:39:33.520 --> 01:39:36.960
River Tam in the short lived science fiction series Firefly

1671
01:39:37.079 --> 01:39:39.920
and follow up movie Serenity that has since become one

1672
01:39:39.960 --> 01:39:42.880
of the great iconic cult properties of all time. Here

1673
01:39:42.960 --> 01:39:47.319
in Oregon, Brown Coats, as we're affectionally referred to, are

1674
01:39:47.640 --> 01:39:51.920
numerous and quite fond of the show. Summer Glass pretty awesome.

1675
01:39:52.880 --> 01:39:57.520
And then she also played that sort of very fascinating

1676
01:39:57.600 --> 01:40:03.439
element of character Cameron Terminator the Sarah's Connor Chronicles. It's

1677
01:40:03.479 --> 01:40:05.560
been a lot of bad Terminator movies over the last

1678
01:40:05.560 --> 01:40:08.640
few years, but The Sarah Connor Chronicles is pretty freaking cool,

1679
01:40:09.000 --> 01:40:11.239
and if you've not watched it, I definitely recommend seeking it.

1680
01:40:11.279 --> 01:40:11.439
Out.

1681
01:40:11.560 --> 01:40:14.479
It gives you the terminator hook you've been missing. So

1682
01:40:14.840 --> 01:40:17.439
Summer Glau, you were amazing. I'm not coming on the

1683
01:40:17.479 --> 01:40:19.479
show letting this interview a little bit. I think that

1684
01:40:19.520 --> 01:40:24.000
would be a time well spent, iconic luminary that you are.

1685
01:40:25.479 --> 01:40:28.079
Going back to the original series third season episode. A

1686
01:40:28.159 --> 01:40:32.319
lot of Troyas give it up for a tremendous performer

1687
01:40:32.479 --> 01:40:37.119
Franz Nian who was just really brought the heavy power

1688
01:40:37.560 --> 01:40:43.439
in that episode. Really really great performance and great themetical

1689
01:40:43.520 --> 01:40:47.439
legacy as well. So great to celebrate you, France, and

1690
01:40:47.520 --> 01:40:52.680
happy birthday. I'd be worth it also to pop culture Mayhem,

1691
01:40:52.800 --> 01:40:57.840
Marieker and indelible part of the Star Trek universe. We're

1692
01:40:57.840 --> 01:41:04.479
talking about the great Will Wheaton actor and writer see

1693
01:41:04.560 --> 01:41:06.720
Crusher on the first two fourth seasons of Next Gen

1694
01:41:06.880 --> 01:41:09.039
and then returned as a guest star at least four

1695
01:41:09.119 --> 01:41:11.920
more times twice in the fifth season, twice and seventh.

1696
01:41:11.960 --> 01:41:16.399
That appears in the series Picard and season two of

1697
01:41:16.920 --> 01:41:19.600
Star Trek Prodigy. So it's just now getting rid of

1698
01:41:19.640 --> 01:41:23.359
Will Wheaton, who knows his nerddom backwards, forwards and sideways,

1699
01:41:23.560 --> 01:41:26.640
and there's always weighing in on various aspects of the

1700
01:41:26.800 --> 01:41:32.239
Star Trek and science fiction Universe. Will Wheaton. We salute you, sir.

1701
01:41:32.560 --> 01:41:36.800
So that's it for my birthday shenanigans this week. Let's

1702
01:41:36.840 --> 01:41:41.319
pass it back over to Klingon covering Uncle Jim Blah.

1703
01:41:42.159 --> 01:41:44.119
I don't have any Klingons, but I did want to

1704
01:41:44.319 --> 01:41:47.880
mention a terminator. I met Summer Glad at a convention

1705
01:41:48.079 --> 01:41:50.960
last summer, and the funny thing about it is she

1706
01:41:51.159 --> 01:41:54.760
was there with her two daughters and I overheard a

1707
01:41:54.840 --> 01:41:57.479
conversation that they were having at the table where her

1708
01:41:57.600 --> 01:42:00.600
daughters thought she was kind of dork he playing a

1709
01:42:00.720 --> 01:42:03.840
terminator on Sarah Kannor Chronicles. And I was like, that's

1710
01:42:03.880 --> 01:42:06.399
the one thing I would never think of saying to

1711
01:42:06.560 --> 01:42:08.079
a terminator, geez.

1712
01:42:07.880 --> 01:42:08.359
Your dork.

1713
01:42:09.399 --> 01:42:12.640
It just it just caught me off guard because we're

1714
01:42:12.680 --> 01:42:15.720
all standing on the line as a bunch of dorks

1715
01:42:15.800 --> 01:42:18.960
to meet the dorky woman that the kids thought was turky.

1716
01:42:19.159 --> 01:42:22.439
I just that was just humorous for me. So Summer

1717
01:42:22.479 --> 01:42:24.399
Glau was awesome, and I just wanted to share that

1718
01:42:24.720 --> 01:42:28.119
brief little story. So I don't have any Klingons on

1719
01:42:28.279 --> 01:42:32.800
my list, unfortunately, but I do have an awesome vampire

1720
01:42:33.159 --> 01:42:36.159
on my list. Another individual that had the pleasure of

1721
01:42:36.199 --> 01:42:38.760
meeting at a convention and he was really cool. We

1722
01:42:38.880 --> 01:42:42.039
want to say happy birthday to the awesome Chris Sarandon,

1723
01:42:42.199 --> 01:42:44.520
and there he is, right there on the screen. He's

1724
01:42:44.560 --> 01:42:48.560
the Academy Award nominated actor who voice actor who played

1725
01:42:49.079 --> 01:42:53.760
Martis Mazare and Deep Space nine second season episode Rivals.

1726
01:42:53.840 --> 01:42:57.640
But I know him from Fright Night and I had

1727
01:42:57.720 --> 01:43:01.119
the opportunity of seeing The Princess Bride for the first time.

1728
01:43:01.920 --> 01:43:04.479
Was it last year or the year before, Eric, I don't.

1729
01:43:05.079 --> 01:43:06.319
Just a couple of years ago at this point.

1730
01:43:06.479 --> 01:43:09.239
Yeah, I had never seen it and I watched it,

1731
01:43:09.359 --> 01:43:15.560
and of course he's in that movie as well, so inconceivable.

1732
01:43:16.119 --> 01:43:21.279
So happy birthday to Chris sarandim the next one on

1733
01:43:21.359 --> 01:43:25.399
my list. We want to say Happy birthday to Mary

1734
01:43:25.520 --> 01:43:28.319
Wiseman and there she is on the screen. Of course,

1735
01:43:28.359 --> 01:43:32.640
she played Sylvia Tilly and Star Trek Discovery, and she's

1736
01:43:32.720 --> 01:43:35.439
going to be in Starfleet Academy as well, coming up

1737
01:43:35.520 --> 01:43:37.880
in twenty twenty six. And I think one of the

1738
01:43:37.920 --> 01:43:41.479
things about Mary wise character that we all talked about

1739
01:43:41.479 --> 01:43:44.199
when she was on Discovery is I feel that she

1740
01:43:44.359 --> 01:43:47.720
was put on the show for us because she was

1741
01:43:47.800 --> 01:43:50.760
so easily relatable to fans because she wasn't you know,

1742
01:43:51.159 --> 01:43:55.680
the clean cut, decisive officer that we see. She was

1743
01:43:55.800 --> 01:43:58.239
a little bit awkward and she had a lot of

1744
01:43:58.319 --> 01:44:00.840
growing and a lot of learning to do on the show,

1745
01:44:00.840 --> 01:44:02.560
and I think a lot of us could relate very

1746
01:44:02.640 --> 01:44:06.920
well to her character. So happy birthday to Mary Wiseman.

1747
01:44:07.960 --> 01:44:12.000
And the last one we said happy birthday to the

1748
01:44:12.079 --> 01:44:16.800
original Lurch, mister Ted Cassidy. Well we want to say

1749
01:44:17.000 --> 01:44:21.319
happy happy birthday and kapla to the awesome, the incredible,

1750
01:44:21.439 --> 01:44:24.800
the Great Carl strike In Dutch actor known to Star

1751
01:44:24.880 --> 01:44:28.640
Trek fans for playing Losana, Troy's assistant and valet mister

1752
01:44:28.800 --> 01:44:32.359
Holme and five episodes of TNG. He also played the

1753
01:44:32.439 --> 01:44:37.000
Specter and voyager second season episode The Thaw. I know

1754
01:44:37.239 --> 01:44:40.520
him as lerch from the Adams Family. If you guys

1755
01:44:40.640 --> 01:44:43.960
look at that picture on the screen right now, in

1756
01:44:44.079 --> 01:44:47.680
the bottom right hand corner, that guy might look familiar

1757
01:44:47.760 --> 01:44:51.199
to you. That's me and my wife Karen, and that's

1758
01:44:51.279 --> 01:44:55.560
Carl Striking standing between us at my wedding. Yes, Carl

1759
01:44:55.600 --> 01:44:58.560
Strichen was at my wedding, and there's a proof right there.

1760
01:44:59.279 --> 01:45:02.840
I was pashing Star Trek Convention and we rented the

1761
01:45:03.000 --> 01:45:06.039
entire hotel for the whole weekend. Decided we would get

1762
01:45:06.079 --> 01:45:08.720
married on Friday night because they gave us the room

1763
01:45:08.840 --> 01:45:12.800
for free. Carl Striking just showed up at my wedding.

1764
01:45:13.279 --> 01:45:16.239
He walked in and luckily the wedding band knew who

1765
01:45:16.319 --> 01:45:19.399
he was. They played the Star Trek song. He walked

1766
01:45:19.439 --> 01:45:22.800
around all the tables, shook hands with my family, all

1767
01:45:22.920 --> 01:45:26.359
my guests, posed for a picture for our wedding album.

1768
01:45:26.479 --> 01:45:27.039
There he is.

1769
01:45:27.640 --> 01:45:31.640
He is the sweetest, nicest man you would ever want

1770
01:45:31.720 --> 01:45:34.640
to meet in your life. I know he's very tall

1771
01:45:34.880 --> 01:45:39.760
and very you know, imposing, but he is so sweet.

1772
01:45:39.880 --> 01:45:43.000
He is so down to earth and he is so awesome.

1773
01:45:43.479 --> 01:45:48.560
So happy Happy birthday to Carl Striking. And that wraps

1774
01:45:48.680 --> 01:45:52.520
up our Stars Trek birthdays for the week. Guys, next

1775
01:45:52.560 --> 01:45:54.920
week we'll have some more for you, but for the

1776
01:45:55.039 --> 01:45:57.840
time being, that'll do it. And now it is time

1777
01:45:57.880 --> 01:46:00.199
to move on to our Star Trek news. We have

1778
01:46:00.279 --> 01:46:03.119
two stories, but I think there's some good ones.

1779
01:46:04.960 --> 01:46:08.640
Iriorready, one message from Starfleet coming in on secure channel

1780
01:46:09.600 --> 01:46:17.279
incoming transmission enter authorization code command codes verified, define parameters

1781
01:46:17.319 --> 01:46:18.279
of program.

1782
01:46:18.760 --> 01:46:21.319
Level nine authorization required.

1783
01:46:21.000 --> 01:46:25.399
Specifying parameters transfer updata is complete.

1784
01:46:26.119 --> 01:46:28.880
A blank alert, blank alert.

1785
01:46:30.199 --> 01:46:32.560
All right, guys, the Star Trek stories that we're about

1786
01:46:32.600 --> 01:46:34.520
to talk about you can find in their entirety and

1787
01:46:34.680 --> 01:46:39.119
our Trek Talking and Beyond Facebook page. And I apologize

1788
01:46:39.199 --> 01:46:43.039
I put them out of order because the first news

1789
01:46:43.119 --> 01:46:47.159
story should go to Eric and it's our classic, classic

1790
01:46:47.239 --> 01:46:48.920
one that we like to do when we get a chance,

1791
01:46:48.960 --> 01:46:51.560
and I will let Eric take it away from here.

1792
01:46:53.159 --> 01:46:58.800
Okay, we like to start with the Shatter says what story? Yes,

1793
01:47:00.079 --> 01:47:03.960
four year old Hollywood legend opens up about years long

1794
01:47:04.439 --> 01:47:08.119
health struggles. A slightly more serious Shatner says what This

1795
01:47:08.239 --> 01:47:12.600
week The Star Trek Legend partnered up with tonightis Quest,

1796
01:47:13.199 --> 01:47:17.319
a nonprofit organization creating awareness around the chronic medical condition

1797
01:47:17.840 --> 01:47:21.399
that causes a constant ringing in the ears. The Mayo

1798
01:47:21.520 --> 01:47:26.560
Clinic reveals that it quote is especially common in older

1799
01:47:26.640 --> 01:47:30.119
adults and can be caused by an underlying condition such

1800
01:47:30.119 --> 01:47:33.880
as age related hearing loss, an ear injury, or a

1801
01:47:34.000 --> 01:47:37.720
problem with the circulatory system. The ninety four year old

1802
01:47:37.800 --> 01:47:40.840
actors shared that he's battled the ear issue after a

1803
01:47:41.000 --> 01:47:43.880
Special effects explosion on the set of the sci fi

1804
01:47:44.039 --> 01:47:47.800
show while filming the Arena episode way back in nineteen

1805
01:47:47.840 --> 01:47:51.640
sixty six, he says, over the years, I've had many

1806
01:47:51.800 --> 01:47:55.239
ups and many downs with my tanitis. Shatner says, I

1807
01:47:55.399 --> 01:47:59.399
know from first hand experience just how difficult it can get.

1808
01:48:00.039 --> 01:48:03.560
I've also observed how Tonightas has affected friends and colleagues.

1809
01:48:04.159 --> 01:48:08.000
It's a diverse condition that comes in different degrees of severity.

1810
01:48:08.560 --> 01:48:11.720
About one to two percent of the population suffers from

1811
01:48:11.760 --> 01:48:17.800
a chronic, debilitating form of tonightas. There are no effective treatments,

1812
01:48:18.199 --> 01:48:21.680
and that's why we need more research. Shatner is hoping

1813
01:48:21.760 --> 01:48:25.439
that his involvement with Tonight's Quest will advance the organization's

1814
01:48:25.640 --> 01:48:29.920
simple and bold goal of silencing Tonight's once and for

1815
01:48:30.039 --> 01:48:33.359
all by funding innovative research.

1816
01:48:34.600 --> 01:48:34.840
Wow.

1817
01:48:35.439 --> 01:48:39.359
Nice to hear Shatner open up about this part of himself.

1818
01:48:39.800 --> 01:48:43.600
I had not heard about that about him until this

1819
01:48:43.800 --> 01:48:48.439
particular article. And you know, it is a very debilitating thing.

1820
01:48:48.479 --> 01:48:51.840
I think we had a little internal chat here, or

1821
01:48:51.920 --> 01:48:55.640
some of us might have that occasionally happens v you

1822
01:48:55.680 --> 01:48:56.640
were talking about.

1823
01:48:56.880 --> 01:49:00.399
Well, it's yeah, it does not occasionally, it's non stop

1824
01:49:01.279 --> 01:49:04.760
and yeah, that well, if I if I have a

1825
01:49:04.880 --> 01:49:07.840
chance when I go to that UH con in New

1826
01:49:07.920 --> 01:49:11.079
Jersey in September, Patner is supposed to be there, and

1827
01:49:11.239 --> 01:49:14.319
this is I just only recently learned he suffers from it.

1828
01:49:14.840 --> 01:49:18.079
I don't remember exactly when mine started. It could have

1829
01:49:18.159 --> 01:49:22.399
been when I had COVID when it before, you know,

1830
01:49:22.760 --> 01:49:26.479
right in the very beginning. That's weird. It's like, yeah,

1831
01:49:26.520 --> 01:49:29.399
how can you not notice when you've got you know,

1832
01:49:29.760 --> 01:49:32.600
ringing in your ears? But anyway, I appreciate that he's

1833
01:49:33.239 --> 01:49:37.000
trying to do something, you know, partner with his tonight's

1834
01:49:37.079 --> 01:49:40.000
quest because it would be nice if it if it

1835
01:49:40.039 --> 01:49:44.239
would just stop for you know, five minutes. But anyway,

1836
01:49:44.239 --> 01:49:45.279
I appreciate his work.

1837
01:49:46.239 --> 01:49:47.319
Yep, A big deal.

1838
01:49:48.199 --> 01:49:50.560
Okay, So that does it for our Shatner says, what

1839
01:49:50.800 --> 01:49:55.720
segment I will pass my UH news reporter microphone? Is

1840
01:49:55.760 --> 01:49:59.279
that what I'm using over to my good friend Paul.

1841
01:49:59.319 --> 01:50:02.800
Now, thanks, big man, appreciate it. Okay.

1842
01:50:02.920 --> 01:50:03.119
We have.

1843
01:50:08.079 --> 01:50:10.840
And how strange New Worlds, which is only just recently

1844
01:50:10.920 --> 01:50:16.039
returned to our airwaves. How might that end or transition?

1845
01:50:16.239 --> 01:50:20.399
Let's find out because we recently heard from Akiva Goldsman

1846
01:50:20.520 --> 01:50:24.199
on how Star Trek Exchanging Worlds might end with Kirk

1847
01:50:24.399 --> 01:50:29.159
in command. Oh, they gasps, it's so unexpected. Last month,

1848
01:50:29.279 --> 01:50:32.399
Paramount Plus renewed Star Trek Exchange Worlds for a fifth

1849
01:50:32.479 --> 01:50:36.840
and final season comprised of six episodes. Following that announcement,

1850
01:50:37.000 --> 01:50:40.279
executive producer and co showrunner Akiva Goldsman took time at

1851
01:50:40.319 --> 01:50:43.399
a panel at the Tribeca Film Festival to talk about

1852
01:50:43.439 --> 01:50:46.199
wrapping up the series by taking it right up to

1853
01:50:46.279 --> 01:50:49.439
the original series, and even hinted they hope to continue

1854
01:50:49.600 --> 01:50:53.279
beyond that point. The final season being cut down to

1855
01:50:53.479 --> 01:50:56.560
six from the usual ten episodes, was a noteworthy part

1856
01:50:56.600 --> 01:51:00.920
of the official announcement in June. Well, they weren't given

1857
01:51:00.960 --> 01:51:04.279
a full season. This show fared better than Star Trek Discovery,

1858
01:51:04.319 --> 01:51:08.159
which was not renewed after work was completed on its

1859
01:51:08.560 --> 01:51:14.920
sixth season. Following is dialogue from showrunner Akiva Goldsman, Unfortunately,

1860
01:51:15.079 --> 01:51:18.119
Discovery's loss was our gain. So they basically said, look,

1861
01:51:18.159 --> 01:51:21.279
we think we're done after four seasons, and we said, hey,

1862
01:51:21.720 --> 01:51:23.600
what about a whole Let's get the fans to the

1863
01:51:23.680 --> 01:51:26.560
tos era because what happens to all these people and

1864
01:51:26.640 --> 01:51:30.760
how does this person and how does this person will

1865
01:51:30.840 --> 01:51:34.960
come up lovely? And they were like no, that's fair,

1866
01:51:35.079 --> 01:51:36.920
that's true. And they said, what do you need to

1867
01:51:36.960 --> 01:51:39.640
get there? And we said six episodes, and they said, okay,

1868
01:51:40.359 --> 01:51:42.640
we will take the show to Kirk's first day of command,

1869
01:51:42.880 --> 01:51:45.319
which is, by the way, not actually the original series.

1870
01:51:45.680 --> 01:51:48.680
The original series starts a bit into Kirk's command. I

1871
01:51:48.760 --> 01:51:51.319
think of where no man has gone before, and that's

1872
01:51:51.439 --> 01:51:55.039
not Kirk's first mission, nor does it feel like Kirk's

1873
01:51:55.079 --> 01:51:58.119
second mission. Let me put it this way, I certainly

1874
01:51:58.159 --> 01:52:00.359
wouldn't say no to a follow up show sat on

1875
01:52:00.439 --> 01:52:03.439
the Enterprise, and so if we can convince people to

1876
01:52:03.479 --> 01:52:06.800
give us an opportunity to continue these missions, of course,

1877
01:52:07.399 --> 01:52:09.720
nothing would make us happier. And when the time comes,

1878
01:52:09.880 --> 01:52:12.920
we will certainly try. And I think there, I mean,

1879
01:52:13.119 --> 01:52:18.319
it's no you know, big stretch to picture that, right.

1880
01:52:18.359 --> 01:52:21.000
I mean, we've just recently brought Scotty on as a

1881
01:52:21.039 --> 01:52:25.159
recurring character. We haven't seen Paul Wesley yet as Kirk

1882
01:52:25.239 --> 01:52:27.960
this season. I think we might tonight though, from my

1883
01:52:28.079 --> 01:52:31.079
information is correct, So I think, you know, within the

1884
01:52:31.119 --> 01:52:32.520
next year or so. I don't know if we'll see

1885
01:52:32.520 --> 01:52:36.039
it this season or not. Guaranteed, they're quietly hunting around

1886
01:52:36.079 --> 01:52:38.800
to figure out who's the best guy to play McCoy. Right,

1887
01:52:38.920 --> 01:52:43.840
they have Spock, they have Scotti, they have Kirk the right,

1888
01:52:44.039 --> 01:52:46.720
and they have Chapel. I mean we're pretty much there, right,

1889
01:52:46.840 --> 01:52:49.800
I mean, that's asking job number one, right, it had

1890
01:52:49.840 --> 01:52:53.960
to be hard, but of a challenge the top Carl

1891
01:52:54.119 --> 01:52:56.840
Urban from you know, the JJ Verus, Right, that's that's

1892
01:52:56.880 --> 01:52:59.239
pretty good casting, I got to say. So, I don't

1893
01:52:59.239 --> 01:53:01.720
know if they're who they are, and it's a tough act.

1894
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A lot of interesting auditions I'm sure down the road

1895
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quietly happening for that, but I think you know, you

1896
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could get a lot of mileage. No one really knows

1897
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exactly how many years that you know that Kirk had

1898
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in control of the Enterprise before we saw him in

1899
01:53:21.079 --> 01:53:23.319
where no man has gone before, right, I mean, and

1900
01:53:23.640 --> 01:53:26.000
this is kind of a different universe take anyway, right,

1901
01:53:26.079 --> 01:53:27.640
so you can kind of get away as much as

1902
01:53:27.720 --> 01:53:31.600
you want, right in terms of how any good you know, episodes,

1903
01:53:31.640 --> 01:53:34.880
good scripts you've got? So what do the other trexperts think?

1904
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Is this a bad idea? Is it too much familiar ground?

1905
01:53:39.000 --> 01:53:41.960
Or is it an exciting opportunity to put a fresh

1906
01:53:42.000 --> 01:53:45.760
spin on familiar topics? What say you? Friends?

1907
01:53:46.279 --> 01:53:49.039
Well, I think I think I called this a little

1908
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while ago. I believe I said this is what they're

1909
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going to do after watching what they did with Strange

1910
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New Worlds. When Pike shows up on Discovery, then we

1911
01:53:59.039 --> 01:54:01.359
got short Treks and we got Strange New Worlds. So

1912
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I called this a little while ago, and I think

1913
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it's a great idea. I'm all for it.

1914
01:54:06.159 --> 01:54:06.760
How about you, v.

1915
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I'm sure why not because I'm just, well, no, I'm

1916
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really becoming invested in Christopher Pike, you know, even though

1917
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I know what's going to happen to him, and that's

1918
01:54:22.279 --> 01:54:23.840
just going to be I don't know how they're going

1919
01:54:23.920 --> 01:54:31.159
to handle that, you know, in the show. So something

1920
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I guess do look forward to and we'll have a

1921
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discussion on that.

1922
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I'm sure, absolutely. How about you, David, Yeah.

1923
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I'm very excited about it. I just hope that they

1924
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don't take any of the continuity away from the original

1925
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tos and try to change stuff. But other than that, yeah,

1926
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I'm looking forward to it.

1927
01:54:54.760 --> 01:54:55.880
Charles, what about you?

1928
01:54:58.079 --> 01:55:01.000
Paul mentioned we're gonna We're still waiting to see our McCoy.

1929
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I'm also waiting to see our Sulu because Sulu showed

1930
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up season one.

1931
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I'm cured to see what our Sulu might.

1932
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Look like, making me thinking about, Okay, our Tank has

1933
01:55:14.159 --> 01:55:18.560
just got taken off of rotation for a month where

1934
01:55:18.600 --> 01:55:21.800
we see him now, we're gonna wait till uh season five,

1935
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but I'm curious to see how she might end up

1936
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moving on.

1937
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But I'm I wouldn't mind reboot. I think I'd like

1938
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to see them moving on, maybe.

1939
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Creating a new series with the new crew in there

1940
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and kind of merging it with the original toos.

1941
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I think we got a chance. Let's turn start Trek going.

1942
01:55:44.920 --> 01:55:47.319
You got the kaboos on his one buddy take it away.

1943
01:55:48.600 --> 01:55:51.640
You know, I think I would be against this if

1944
01:55:51.680 --> 01:55:54.199
I didn't love so many of these actors in the

1945
01:55:54.239 --> 01:55:58.239
way that they're portraying these characters. I mean, every single

1946
01:55:58.399 --> 01:56:00.760
character that we've got on this picture here is totally

1947
01:56:00.840 --> 01:56:05.439
killing it. And I like the new take on Kirk.

1948
01:56:06.520 --> 01:56:10.880
He's he's different from William Shattner's take, and that refresh

1949
01:56:11.000 --> 01:56:14.319
feels really good to me. So yeah, I'm I'm excited

1950
01:56:14.319 --> 01:56:17.600
about this. I'm also with David. You know, when I

1951
01:56:17.720 --> 01:56:20.760
think of the word reboot, I think of redoing the

1952
01:56:20.880 --> 01:56:23.359
same thing over again. I don't think that's what they're

1953
01:56:23.479 --> 01:56:27.279
actually talking about. They're just talking about bringing the story

1954
01:56:27.479 --> 01:56:31.520
up to the point that we've already seen back in

1955
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where no man has gone before. So is that really

1956
01:56:34.399 --> 01:56:36.720
a reboot? To me, it's just filling in the gaps.

1957
01:56:36.920 --> 01:56:38.760
So I'm all for filling in the gaps.

1958
01:56:40.079 --> 01:56:42.640
All right, we have a new Gary Mitchell, right, I

1959
01:56:42.720 --> 01:56:44.720
mean there that would be you'd have to be part

1960
01:56:44.760 --> 01:56:49.319
of the crew, that's right, Mitchell. Yep, yeah, because they're

1961
01:56:49.399 --> 01:56:49.960
really really.

1962
01:56:52.079 --> 01:56:52.239
Right.

1963
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I mean they've they're total all that history. Kirk's old

1964
01:56:55.199 --> 01:56:58.520
girlfriend Ruth, who we hear a lot about in short leaves,

1965
01:56:58.560 --> 01:57:01.079
who is a indelible character. You're a big part of

1966
01:57:01.119 --> 01:57:04.039
his past. You know, that's all stuff that there's room

1967
01:57:04.119 --> 01:57:10.319
to maneuver with, right, Finny, you know, there's a lot

1968
01:57:10.359 --> 01:57:12.239
of stuff that could get involved in so it could

1969
01:57:12.239 --> 01:57:12.800
be interesting.

1970
01:57:14.800 --> 01:57:15.039
Yep.

1971
01:57:15.359 --> 01:57:18.560
Absolutely, So let's look wait, wait, wait and see what happens.

1972
01:57:19.000 --> 01:57:21.840
Wait you know what, guys, can you believe it? Another

1973
01:57:21.880 --> 01:57:26.199
show has come and gone? So uh, you know, walk,

1974
01:57:26.279 --> 01:57:28.840
don't run to your TV, fire up your Paramount Plus

1975
01:57:29.439 --> 01:57:34.239
and watch tonight's episode. You won't be disappointed. So I

1976
01:57:34.319 --> 01:57:36.119
want to take this opportunity to say thank you so

1977
01:57:36.239 --> 01:57:38.279
much to Paul for hanging out and trek talking with

1978
01:57:38.399 --> 01:57:39.800
us tonight. Thank you so much, Paul.

1979
01:57:40.920 --> 01:57:44.039
Times been pleasure, and thank you to.

1980
01:57:44.159 --> 01:57:48.199
V for hanging out with us tonight. Thank you, v Oh,

1981
01:57:48.319 --> 01:57:51.600
thank you, and thank you so much to David for

1982
01:57:51.720 --> 01:57:54.760
being our miracle worker. Thank you. You were missed last week. David.

1983
01:57:54.840 --> 01:57:55.560
Thank you so much.

1984
01:57:56.560 --> 01:57:57.399
Yeah, it's been fun.

1985
01:57:58.439 --> 01:58:00.319
And thank you so much. To Charles for hanging out

1986
01:58:00.359 --> 01:58:01.760
and chatting with us. Thank you, Charles.

1987
01:58:02.319 --> 01:58:03.239
It's always fun.

1988
01:58:05.199 --> 01:58:07.119
And of course, last but not LEAs, thank you so

1989
01:58:07.239 --> 01:58:09.279
much to Eric for hanging out and trek talking with us.

1990
01:58:09.319 --> 01:58:12.119
Thank you so much, Eric, You betcha fun.

1991
01:58:12.199 --> 01:58:13.279
Times is always guy.

1992
01:58:13.399 --> 01:58:15.039
Always fun. You guys are awesome.

1993
01:58:15.119 --> 01:58:18.760
I got the best, the best crew in all of Starfleet,

1994
01:58:19.239 --> 01:58:22.039
so I'm your most excellent host. Uncle Jim saying everybody

1995
01:58:22.279 --> 01:58:25.199
please please stay safe and be good to each other.

1996
01:58:25.279 --> 01:58:29.039
Remember Star Trek fans are the best fans, Live long

1997
01:58:29.119 --> 01:58:29.680
and prosper.

1998
01:58:29.840 --> 01:58:36.840
Good night, everybody, live long and all stagers.

1999
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I'm ready for departure.

2000
01:58:38.319 --> 01:58:45.039
Son, some problem RCA, just hoping this isn't the usual

2001
01:58:45.079 --> 01:58:47.680
way of missions will go, said, Oh, no, number what

2002
01:58:48.880 --> 01:58:50.840
I'm sure most will be much more interesting.

2003
01:58:54.920 --> 01:58:56.039
Let's see what's out.

2004
01:58:56.000 --> 01:58:59.000
There than games.

2005
01:59:00.119 --> 01:59:03.359
The smaller really has of a pestal ar