May 27, 2025

Episode 637- Andor Part 4 episode 10-12 review

Episode 637- Andor Part 4 episode 10-12 review
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Star Wars

In this engaging conversation, Uncle Jim ans his cohosts explore various themes related to Star Trek, including fan engagement, ethical dilemmas presented in the series, and character analysis. They delve into the complexities of Roe Lahren's decision to betray Captain Picard and the implications of relationships in the episode 'The Host.' The discussion also touches on cultural reflections and how perspectives on gender and identity have evolved since the show's airing. In this conversation, the hosts delve into the themes of gender representation in media, audience engagement through polls, and a detailed analysis of the second season of Andor. They explore character dynamics, the high stakes of espionage, and the consequences of actions within the narrative. The discussion culminates in reflections on the overarching themes of sacrifice and hope, emphasizing the relevance of these themes in today's societal context. In this engaging conversation, the hosts delve into the intricate connections between Star Wars and reality, exploring themes of fascism and rebellion. They analyze characters like Saw Gerrera and Mon Mothma, discussing their motivations and actions within the narrative. The discussion shifts to differing opinions on the series Andor and its relationship to Rogue One, highlighting the diversity of fan perspectives. The conversation also touches on Star Trek birthdays and remembrances, celebrating the contributions of various actors to the franchise. Finally, the hosts share exciting news about upcoming Star Trek shows, including the anticipated premiere of Strange New Worlds and the introduction of a new family-friendly series, Starfleet Scouts.

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Yankee about the series, about the series now.

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Outstanding. David, I gotta say, hey, guys, welcome to Trek

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Talking and Beyond. It's Thursday, May second, twenty twenty five.

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Welcome to episode six and thirty seven. For those of

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you who are watching, well you're listening. You heard our

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brand new theme song and Eric recorded that. Thank you

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so much. Eric. Yeah, and David made up the video.

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And when I asked David to make the video up,

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he says, I don't know if I can get it

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done by tomorrow's show. And David and I sat down

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yesterday what thirty ish.

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Took us a couple of hours to go through all

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the pictures and set it.

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Up, get the timing right, get all the pictures from

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all the various shows. And put it all together, and

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I got to say, I think it came out damn good,

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damn good. I like it. What do you guys think

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you like it?

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Oh? I was very surprised. Yeah, delightful and nice schmortgage

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board of references that we don't normally got right. Yeah,

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lovely to have the John Coney reference.

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Yeah, since I've been watching nine, I had to get

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that in there.

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squeeze it in.

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If we ever get stuck there's a there's a show theme,

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we could have a space nineteen ninety nine. Oh my, oh, absolutely,

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I'd be all over it.

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Absolutely. So we're talking about our new theme song here.

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So before we get too far though, I want to

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introduce my awesome Treksperts. Of course, i'my most excellent host,

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Uncle Jim. Welcome to the podcast. And out in Portland

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we have Eric. Eric is the one who recorded our

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awesome new theme. So welcome to the podcast.

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Eric.

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How are you doing tonight?

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I am doing pretty good, pretty good. Excited to talk

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about some and or tonight some good TV.

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Man excellent and also for Portland, we are the toy

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guy himself, Paul how you doing tonight, Paul.

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I'm good. I'm good. Let me prove my credit, because

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it's important that it's not just words, right, we stand

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behind what we espouse, right. So I'm doing okay.

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Man.

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There's been not a lot of toy in flux in

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my world this week, but good stuff going on, good

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stuff going on. I have to trumpet my own horn.

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I finished writing another book this week, So yet another

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unpublished book, now I can. We're looking for some other

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poorche leap out there to terrifying with query letters saying

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would you like to publish this wonderful, you know, series

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of nonsense. But it's a good feeling to take a

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book all the way through to the end and tell

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the whole story. So I'm kind of feeling excited about that.

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Little tired, but it's kind of like taking an idea

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for a podcast and blossoming into this kind of the

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same thing.

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Idea to fruition right, exactly exactly.

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And also from Portland, we have a very old miracle

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worker David, who put together that awesome video that we

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just watched, and he's got some surprises playing for tonight's show.

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How you doing tonight? How you doing? David? You're having

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a good time.

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Yeah, I'm pretty tired. It's been pretty much all day

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trying to get all this stuff together, so it's pretty good.

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I'm excited to talk about end Or and see what

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you guys think about.

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And not from Portland. Because you can see the palm

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trees swaying. We have a very own Charles. Charles's out

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in Las Vegas. How you doing tonight, Charles, I'm doing

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Yes, the palm trees are swaying.

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They're doing a little extra swaying because it is reay

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today and the weather forecasts like, okay, is it going

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to be ninety nine or one hundred nine nine or

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one hundred not positive. I think it hit ninety nine.

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actually summer.

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We got some snow up here in Vermont, so how's that.

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And that's it.

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Wow, we'll take while. I'm sick of the rain. So anyways, guys,

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you can head over to trek Talking dot com and

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over there you'll find about through three hundred and fifty

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as we record a new one, the oldest one jumps

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off the list. But there's there's a few hundred of

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them there that you guys can check out, So please

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do that on June twelfth. Mark your calendars for June twelfth,

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because we're gonna have Alex Deal here on the show.

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He's like Alex Deal. Well, wait a second, I'll tell you.

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Alex Deal played the synth unit F eight as well

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as all the other synth units that we saw on

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Star Trek to Card season two. He was in Maps

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and Legends, and he also played Harvey and F eight

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in the short tracks, So you got to have some

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house cleaning we got to do. So on tonight's show,

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we're going to be talking about and or Part four

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episodes ten through twelve. You hope you guys watched it.

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Did all you guys watch it? I hope, yeah, excellently.

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We can't talk about it if we didn't watch it.

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We also have our fans shout out, so that's where

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we go around the globe and we think fanance just

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like you out there for following our podcast. And we

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have our star Trek polls and Tonight's polls. We're going

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to be talking a little bit about ro Laren and

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did she make the right choice? And we also have

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a clip on love Is love physical or is it mental?

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We're going to dive right into that in tonight's podcast.

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What Star Trek actors do you share a birthday with?

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Find out in our Star Trek Birthday section. And of

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course we have our Star Trek universe in our news

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and what's going around around the Star Trek world, and

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we have updates on strange new worlds and also will

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Prodigy be back? Hmm, I wonder And that's what we

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have going on for you guys tonight. You can head

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over to our Facebook page. In the top of the page,

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you'll see the livelong and prosper and all I gotta

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do is tell us where you're listening from and leave

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lots of emojis that gets my attention. If you see

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a heart next to your name from yours truly, Uncle Jim,

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then you are going to be featured in the future

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Fans Out, just like these lucky listeners are right now.

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So how about you get us started with our fans

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shout outs, Eric.

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I would love to our first fan shout out this

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week goes out to the great country of Australia in

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the wonderful city of Adelaide, and we are saying hello

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to Leoni Radford, one of our top and try. That

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means that Leoni interacts with us a lot on our

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Facebook page, and we really appreciate that because, you know,

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helps us understand the people love us. So thank you

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so much for saying hello to us, and I hope

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you are having a great time with other Star Trek

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fans down in Adelaide. Also saying hello this week to

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Jens Kisling, a rising contributor, meaning that they are new

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to our page, but they're coming on strong. And Yen's

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is saying hello to us from Saxony in Germany, the

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great country of Germany. And you've got that awesome as

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set in your last name. I love that King so German.

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Thanks Yen's for saying hello to us this week. I'm

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gonna spin it back to that other side of the

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globe and say hello this week to Vanessa Madsen, who

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is hailing up from New Zealand. New Zealand is one

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place that I would love to go. I fell in

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love with it like many people did during those Lord

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of the Rings movies, those wonderful Peter Jackson movies, and

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I never wanted to go to New Zealand before, and

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now I do, so Vanessa you probably get to enjoy

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that on a regular basis and consider yourself a lucky person.

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Thanks for loving us, and thanks for loving Star Trek. Last,

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but not least, on my list, saying hello this week

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to Melanie Furster, who is also from Germany in the

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wonderful city of Carlsru Charles. Who would you like to

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say hello to this week?

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Uh?

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Karl does not here right now? Should I take over?

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Absolutely?

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All right? Well, he would love to wish everybody. Uh,

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you know, thanks for watching, thanks for listening, thanks for

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enjoying the stream. Uh, folks, we want to say hello

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and uh to Heather Babby from Council Bluffed, Iowa. Originally

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now I live in rapid shitty South Dakota giving us

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a little blue simple mine in faish. I can't really

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tell what that is.

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It's a smiley fa with hearts around it.

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Okay, cool?

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Next on the list is an All Star contributor, Deva

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and Smith. She's hailing from Tacoma, Washington, giving us a

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green US A flag. I'm assuming that's what that is.

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It is not green. It is red, white and blue.

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For some reason. On Okay, it's not green. I might

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be blind, but anyhoy, I guess yeah, Okay. Next on

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the list is Nancy Lucia Lopez from Albuquerque, New Mexico.

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Thanks for listening. And last on Child's list is an

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all star contributor, uh Rachel d. Stay from West Jordan, Utah,

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giving us three non Green American flag. I just want

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to put out there, okay, uh en for my list,

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I am gonna say welcome and thanks for listening to Mark.

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Oh No, this is a rising contributor, Mark Ferginshon from Olympia, Washington.

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Next on my list is Michael Howard from Roy, Utah.

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Thanks for listening and I hope you guys are having

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a wonderful time.

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Next would be Jamie L. Hare from Truecon, Arizona. And

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on my last part of the list is a normal

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guys from Austin, Texas. I hope you guys all enjoy

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what you see. And Paul, who's on your list?

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Well, no, David, I really liked you had a real

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shining moment there when you were talking about Charles for

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a minute. You're like, Charles is not here right now,

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this is Torrents. Charles has gone away. Okay, it's gonna

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be one of those podcasts does it.

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Sweet?

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And then we lose a bit. It's just you know,

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like Agatha Christie story, So it's just crazy. Yeah, you

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know Rising contributor who came up with that one?

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That's is that a base?

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I think we know who did. Yeah, it was meta.

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got that on your work evaluation, you'd spit in your

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boss's coffee. Right, I'm a rhysing contributor. I mean, it

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just means that.

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They just joined fresh and instead of just being passive

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about their engagement with our page, they're actually like they're

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liking things and their comments. So I think that's I mean,

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the idea is that you go and they acknowledge your

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risingness so that you can eventually get to things like

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all Star.

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And I'm a rising contributor.

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And many you know, I don't even know. It basically

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means nothing. That is when it comes down to.

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Saying, it's kind of motivation, right if I keep.

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Hanging for meta, but that would.

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Be my superstar. Okay, I just need to explore this

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in Charles's absence, but you know, I don't know anyway, Sorry,

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I digressed, let me keep going. Sorry, yes, I also

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have some fans I'd like to say hello too as well.

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I don't think any of the rising contributors, though some

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of them are spectacular. Uh you know, effucifiers, That's what

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I've got on my list right, like the phenomenal.

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Fire like that.

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Chuck Off and the fusifier quickly like Alexandro Picterrello right

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from Campina City and so Pello Brazil. Okay, and Alexandro

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is just shooting so many like hand sign emojis at me.

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I'm afraid I might, you know, get pulled over. I mean,

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it's just amazing. He's got so many here from Campinas

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City in Brazil. That's a country I've always wanted to

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go to. How about you, Amurrica Brazil spectacular. Yeah, I

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think there's a lot to do, a lot to see.

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Amazing people so excited to go there. Uh, let's cross

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the ocean and go over to h XE not Shah

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flag proudly displayed there from the United States of Israel.

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I've not heard it called that before. That's cool. I like,

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that's very interesting. Is that the official name. I've not

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heard it referred.

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To as ID that either.

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The United States of Israel that's new for me. But

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you know, things change so quickly these days, friends, I

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can barely keep up. So it is just it is

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just crazy of America.

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I don't know it's recording now apparently what is going

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on here?

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Stop two questions? I could to do the show.

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Anyhow, We have other fellows now, Yes, we are continue

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this out.

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Questions.

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Jim keeps just you know, asking questions. It's like, is

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my serial running or is the light of God?

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Anyway?

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I think we determined that X not is messing with us, right.

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So we're gonna say, we're gonna go over to somebody

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who is designated.

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Top fan. Thank you.

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That is another tier man.

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That is a nice level of promotion to this company.

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You can acclade. Okay, you're a top fan. Top fan.

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Rachel car has got an actual Irish flag there from Dublin, Ireland,

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So thank you, Rachel Carr, top fan. You can tell

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Rachel is watching a lot of television, watching a lot

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of Star Trek. Has got many many physical media in

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her house, watches whatever the equivalent of Paramount plus is

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in Dublin. I don't know, but I can bet you

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Rachel is watching it because she's a top fan. Right,

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So there you go, so cool. Thanks for sharing your

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enthusiasm for Startrek and this podcast with us, Rachel. And

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then if you are willing to go on a long

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ocean voyage, you can go to Malayia where Lester saw

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Ye Shong is flipping us the Livelong and prosper sign

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there from Malaysia. So once again, friends, proof that at

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this crazy time we find ourselves in we have a

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fellow like minded Star Trek enthusiasts all over the planet.

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So hopefully if we can find unity there, we can

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find unity elsewhere. That is what I'm going to hope for.

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And now, hoping he's found his remote control and other

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important devices, I'm going to pass this over Uncle Jim.

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Oh. I don't know, Paul. I think there's some gremlins

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sneaking around here. This is this is weird, what a

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weird night. It's not Leah because Leia is not chasing

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an and around, so it's not it's not the cat

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and the dog. Although Leyah is here there she is

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all right. So I want to say thank you to

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Martin Crane who's listening to us in New York, New York.

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Big Apple, the Apple that Never sleeps. Thank you. We

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also want to say hello and thank you to Janice

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will Cox, who's listening to us in Los Angeles, California.

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Us of a not a top fan or a rising

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contributor or a falling fan or any of the above.

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So but that's okay, We we appreciate it. We also

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want to say hello and thank you to Paul James Temple,

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who flashes us to live long and prosper right back

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at you, buddy, who's listening to us in Waynesboro, Virginia.

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And last, but not least on my list, we want

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to say hello and thank you to Larry Stadler who's

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in Calgary, Alberta anywhere near GM Chris possibly.

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No, GM Cress is not in Alberta. He's in He's

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in Quebec, Quebec.

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All right. So, if you guys noticed all these great

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pictures going by, uh, if you want to become a

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top contributor or a rising star, maybe you can go

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over to our Facebook page and link over to trek

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Talking dot com and send us your pictures and David

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will put them right there on the screen where all

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these other awesome pictures are like my wedding picture right

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there with Carl Strakan. Your picture could be right there

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as well. All right, guys, that wraps up.

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Sorry we're spoirling tonight. Jim, we're gonna keep interrupting.

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That wraps up our our fans shout outs. Now it's

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time for our Star Trek polls.

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You know me like no win what you thought about

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the show?

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Then we try to share your opinions with love our

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minions out there because.

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They listen WORLDWI, So.

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Tell us just what you think. Get together we will

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all t Canara and robylin A.

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All right, guys, while you're over on our Facebook page,

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I try to come up with interesting ethical questions, sometimes

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just a fun question. You never know. You can go

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over there and you can vote in our Star Trek

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poll so that your voice can be heard. And Charles

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not Charles, David dude, whoever you are. Yeah, you you should.

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You should make sure you don't call David by his

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name the first time at all tonight, Just like call

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him everybody else first and then get to David. I

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think that'd be hilarious. All right, Okay, okay, Larry, is

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there sound?

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I don't hear any sound?

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Hello?

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When when Paul? When Paul and I tested it here.

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Let's do a bad lip reading up.

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With all of these things like anyone she loading, She

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went to, do you guys not.

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Have toun no sound? No sound?

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What she's doing?

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Allry about that guy? Okay, this is a quirky night.

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Apparently I was looking forward to reading.

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You know.

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Dang, it had sound when we tested it, though it won't.

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Let me replay it. Here we go. One too, is

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that the.

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McKee will be attacking the convoy ass plant. Our ships

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have taken opposition in the Huga Negula to wait.

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For I've established a relay lank with the sensor probe

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we left on the parameter of the Nebula.

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This is the convoy.

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We were expecting the McKee attack force to cross the

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border from the de militarized.

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So as soon as they crossed the border would intercept them.

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Captain in order to ensure that the ship commander Riker

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and litenant Roarer piloting does not come into fire.

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I have really their warp signature for the rest of

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the attack force. So the McKee squadron is coming into

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censor range Scuda redulett by.

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Sir squad leading goal ships.

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Go ahead squad leader, We'll be crossing the border in

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less than one minute.

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Army weapons acknowledge startlingly. Can't make us move until we're

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out of the deep village, riss where to break formation?

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Take cover in the nebula. As soon as they appear,

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the ships.

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And the convoy are raising their shields, and they spotted us.

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Across the border in thirty seconds.

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What I'm sorry. I can't let this happen, sir.

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The vessel being piloted by Lieutenant Row is firing a

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low intentionally.

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Particle give into the nebula. What the hell is she doing?

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The polarizing effect being created by the being may make

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it possible.

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For us detected.

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Can you come to the effect. I will attempt to

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do so.

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Bro, Why are you firing?

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Scan?

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The nebula is a story fleet attack force hiding inside it.

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I see it.

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Squad lead into all ships aboard the mission repeats aboard

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the mission, sir.

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The the key ships are breaking formation if they crossed

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the border. No, Sir, they're withdrawing.

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Captain Lieutenant roast ship is not retreating with the others.

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It is heading towards us. When she comes aboard. Take

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it into custody.

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Alpha seven to Alpha nine.

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Go ahead, stand by to beam your board standing by.

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You can take the ship back to the Enterprise.

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You're going with them.

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It's been a long time since I really felt like

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I belonged somewhere.

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Could you tell Captain McCard something from me?

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Of course?

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What is it?

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I'm sorry?

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So long?

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No, take care of yourself, Come on, energize.

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All right, there you have it? So, uh, David, what's

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our poll question? Brother?

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That?

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I well, so, I well, I'll talk about context after

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I asked this question and get our results here. So

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in the TG episode this preemptive strike, of course, Rolerin

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betrays Captain Picard, does she really? That's the way the

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questions worded, and joins the Makey. Do you agree with

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her decision? Fifty percent of our responders agree with her

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decision of fifty percent of our responders disagree with her

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position on that. So you'll you'll remember that this is

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the episode where Picard sends Rolaren undercover as a Mackie,

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you know, a interested person because the Makey believes that

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the Kardassians are developing biogenic weapons which are really really nasty,

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And you got this is like, I love this episode

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I believe this is this is season seven, right, This

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is like towards the end of season seven, and so

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to me, this is like one of those episodes that

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literally leads right into DS nine. I don't know if

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they planned it that way or not, but it sure

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feels like it to me. And so there's a lot

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of baggage. Rolaren's got a lot of baggage from the

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occupation and all that sort of stuff. And this is

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even before we start liaising with the Cardassians to take

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over the station and Deep Space nine is established and

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all that sort of stuff. So she we already know

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she's an independent soul. We already know from this clip

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actually that she feels really bad about betraying Picard, but

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that she is following her own heart in you know,

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doing what she thinks is the is the correct thing

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to do. So I don't know if I necessarily agree

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with her decision to betray Picard and to sort of

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go over to the other side. But we've talked in

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the past before about how the Maquis, in my opinion,

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have some some legitimacy given what they're trying to accomplish

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and stuff. Are they always perfect? No, Calvin Hudson, you know,

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doesn't always steer them in the correct direction. But I

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think she had the right to make this decision. And

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this is a bloodless thing, right, Nobody gets hurt. The

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only thing that happens is that Picard doesn't catch the

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Maquis people that he wanted to catch, so, you know,

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he didn't get to put some people in jail. That's

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the consequence of this, and he loses her a laran

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as an officer. So I kind of agree with her

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to I think it's okay. I think it's okay. She

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made the decision. It is complicated, though, and I like

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that it's split right down the middle fifty to fifty here.

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Have we ever had a fifty to fifty pole before?

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I think we've had We've had him.

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Pretty pretty close, but not exactly split down the middle

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like this.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So what do you guys think about this one?

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What do I love this? I mean, I think it's

481
00:27:30.200 --> 00:27:33.559
a phenomenal. This is the kind of storytelling on Next

482
00:27:33.640 --> 00:27:35.440
Gen I just love the most because it was just

483
00:27:35.519 --> 00:27:39.279
so against the grain, right, it just was swimming upstream

484
00:27:39.319 --> 00:27:41.880
giving you something you didn't expect, right, And what it's

485
00:27:41.920 --> 00:27:45.519
great because Rosa character came on comparatively eight in the game, right,

486
00:27:45.559 --> 00:27:49.480
and she was from the very get go right. She

487
00:27:49.640 --> 00:27:52.039
was like a foil, right, and kind of a you know,

488
00:27:53.400 --> 00:27:55.319
you know, she's just a bit of a square peg

489
00:27:55.440 --> 00:27:57.440
compared to the regular star for you, Right, she didn't

490
00:27:57.440 --> 00:28:00.160
fit in, didn't fit in and tried to. But I

491
00:28:00.200 --> 00:28:02.319
just like the fact that they gave that character an

492
00:28:02.440 --> 00:28:06.039
arc over a couple of seasons, right, And she was

493
00:28:06.079 --> 00:28:10.839
never going to basically, you know, bow down to the authority, right.

494
00:28:10.960 --> 00:28:12.720
She sort of you know, hung out for a while.

495
00:28:12.799 --> 00:28:16.480
She had a gap year with Starfleet, if you will, right,

496
00:28:16.599 --> 00:28:19.039
But she's you know, she's just you know, and this

497
00:28:19.240 --> 00:28:22.240
question the way it's phrase right, roller betrayed Captain Picard,

498
00:28:22.319 --> 00:28:25.799
I would say ro Lerin stood up for what she

499
00:28:25.920 --> 00:28:29.000
felt was right. Is the really how I would phrase it, right,

500
00:28:29.119 --> 00:28:31.279
because it's all you know, it's a little biasy, right,

501
00:28:31.599 --> 00:28:33.279
you know. I mean, I'm sure Pericard thinks that he

502
00:28:33.359 --> 00:28:36.119
betrayed her, But she's doing the right thing for her, right,

503
00:28:36.160 --> 00:28:38.720
She's doing what matters. She doesn't feel like she's been

504
00:28:38.759 --> 00:28:42.599
accepted ever, except now she has right and that matters

505
00:28:42.640 --> 00:28:45.319
to her. And she feels like she's you know, we

506
00:28:45.359 --> 00:28:48.240
talked a lot about recently about how like, you know,

507
00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:51.599
Starfleet and you know that other mocky episode. I think

508
00:28:51.640 --> 00:28:55.960
it was Eric right where where the one on Deep

509
00:28:55.960 --> 00:28:59.359
Space nine where Starfick was kind of getting a little

510
00:28:59.519 --> 00:29:02.599
you know, a ooritarian, you know, and starting to make

511
00:29:02.680 --> 00:29:05.680
these you know, blanket decisions for others, you know, without

512
00:29:05.720 --> 00:29:08.880
really getting their input and just doing these things. They're

513
00:29:08.960 --> 00:29:10.799
kind of almost sort of like walking right up to

514
00:29:10.880 --> 00:29:15.400
fascism looking into and she's like, screw that, I'm not

515
00:29:15.440 --> 00:29:16.000
going to do that.

516
00:29:16.319 --> 00:29:16.640
I was.

517
00:29:18.519 --> 00:29:21.680
Clips at the end, right, she's about to be mount

518
00:29:21.799 --> 00:29:24.640
She's like, she's all emotionals. We tell kept the card

519
00:29:24.759 --> 00:29:27.519
something for me and he's like, yes, it's making for

520
00:29:27.519 --> 00:29:28.759
her to go fuck you.

521
00:29:32.440 --> 00:29:38.400
Would have been awesome, It's what she was thinking.

522
00:29:40.240 --> 00:29:42.799
If it was on Paramount Plus today, she would have

523
00:29:42.839 --> 00:29:45.119
done that. Not so much.

524
00:29:45.160 --> 00:29:48.240
By the way, will your ear ring is just ridiculous,

525
00:29:48.279 --> 00:29:50.599
and so are you. It's just, you know, she was

526
00:29:50.680 --> 00:29:54.119
just a firebrand, and Michelle Forbes is just I'm a

527
00:29:54.359 --> 00:29:56.839
big fan. I just think she's just she's really everything

528
00:29:56.839 --> 00:29:59.200
in that scene, right, because she's just so underplaying it

529
00:29:59.240 --> 00:30:02.359
when she's at the Rolls was like, yeah, everything fine,

530
00:30:02.799 --> 00:30:06.559
noving tine and she's just answering questions. But she's just

531
00:30:06.599 --> 00:30:09.359
like holding back and you can see it, and she's

532
00:30:09.440 --> 00:30:11.839
just wonderful. It was such a cool Garret, I'll.

533
00:30:11.680 --> 00:30:14.279
Tell you, Paul, I tried really hard to fit Helena

534
00:30:14.599 --> 00:30:19.799
Cane into the lyrics of our I couldn't quite do it.

535
00:30:19.839 --> 00:30:22.079
So we've got a couple other Battlestar Galactical references, but

536
00:30:22.119 --> 00:30:23.640
I tried to fit her name in there too.

537
00:30:24.079 --> 00:30:27.400
Yeah, he's kick ass man, I'm a big fan. Yeah,

538
00:30:27.480 --> 00:30:30.960
she's just you know, more more her. So yeah, I'm

539
00:30:31.079 --> 00:30:34.400
gonna have to go with the with the yes, all right,

540
00:30:34.599 --> 00:30:36.400
just because I just I think she was being true

541
00:30:36.400 --> 00:30:39.000
to herself, right, and I think that that's something you

542
00:30:39.000 --> 00:30:41.680
always have to try to, you know, appreciate.

543
00:30:43.240 --> 00:30:45.160
Charles. You can't see us, but can you hear us?

544
00:30:46.920 --> 00:30:49.000
I can hear you. I just can't say, what do.

545
00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:51.599
You think you right now? Did she betray.

546
00:30:54.200 --> 00:30:57.799
I think she portrayed Captain Bercar, but she portrayed in

547
00:30:57.880 --> 00:31:01.319
the belief that she was doing what was right for her,

548
00:31:02.000 --> 00:31:04.000
and I think the position she was in, she was

549
00:31:04.039 --> 00:31:06.039
more worried about what was more important for.

550
00:31:06.039 --> 00:31:08.519
Her, it was more important for star Fleet.

551
00:31:10.279 --> 00:31:14.440
So you're you're with the first fifty or the second fifty.

552
00:31:16.200 --> 00:31:19.079
The first fifty, yeah, I mean the question is with

553
00:31:19.119 --> 00:31:19.759
her decision?

554
00:31:20.559 --> 00:31:23.640
Yeah, I think it's the first fifty, the first fifty.

555
00:31:23.920 --> 00:31:27.680
Okay, well, David, what about you first fifty, second fifty.

556
00:31:28.200 --> 00:31:30.240
I'm gonna have to say first fifty on this. I mean,

557
00:31:30.279 --> 00:31:32.200
I do remember with everything you guys were talking about,

558
00:31:32.319 --> 00:31:35.640
because it did basically about her and the fact that

559
00:31:35.720 --> 00:31:39.319
she probably lost her home from when the Federation took

560
00:31:39.359 --> 00:31:43.240
her planet that she probably grew up on to the Kardashians,

561
00:31:43.279 --> 00:31:45.599
and she probably got all mad and upset about that.

562
00:31:45.720 --> 00:31:48.079
So you know, yeah, I'm gonna have to go with

563
00:31:48.119 --> 00:31:50.480
the yes on this one.

564
00:31:50.680 --> 00:31:54.039
All right. Well, I'm going against everybody like I always do,

565
00:31:55.039 --> 00:31:58.960
start for five. You know, I think she definitely betrayed

566
00:31:58.960 --> 00:31:59.640
Captain Pickcard.

567
00:31:59.839 --> 00:32:02.640
That's not the question. The question she betrayed him. The

568
00:32:02.720 --> 00:32:04.680
question is do you agree with her decision?

569
00:32:05.039 --> 00:32:09.200
And I don't. She betrayed Captain Picard because if you remember,

570
00:32:10.640 --> 00:32:14.160
he went to the uh Penal colony where she was

571
00:32:14.240 --> 00:32:17.079
and got her freed specifically to go on this mission,

572
00:32:17.160 --> 00:32:19.279
or she would have been in prison. So he put

573
00:32:19.319 --> 00:32:21.519
his reputation on the line for her, and she turned

574
00:32:21.559 --> 00:32:24.559
around and just said hey, like Paul said fuck you

575
00:32:25.039 --> 00:32:28.720
and left him hanging dangling in the wind after he

576
00:32:28.759 --> 00:32:31.480
stood up for her. So, yeah, I think I'm with

577
00:32:31.559 --> 00:32:35.079
the bottom fifty with the you're with the top fifty.

578
00:32:35.119 --> 00:32:37.799
I'm with the bottom fifty. So we have a fifty

579
00:32:37.799 --> 00:32:42.440
to fifty fifty. Yeah. That so it's just there's two

580
00:32:42.559 --> 00:32:50.000
fifties fifty, so I'm with the other fifty. All right, So, uh,

581
00:32:50.480 --> 00:32:52.240
what do you think? David? You want to roll the No,

582
00:32:52.279 --> 00:32:53.839
you're not David, You're Eric. You want to roll the

583
00:32:53.880 --> 00:32:54.359
next clip?

584
00:32:54.440 --> 00:32:54.640
Eric?

585
00:32:58.480 --> 00:33:02.000
I hope we have sound on him. Yes we do.

586
00:33:02.559 --> 00:33:03.839
Is the true host here?

587
00:33:04.519 --> 00:33:04.960
Yes?

588
00:33:05.599 --> 00:33:06.680
Good? Bring him in.

589
00:33:15.440 --> 00:33:15.839
Doctor.

590
00:33:19.480 --> 00:33:20.279
I am Curio.

591
00:33:20.799 --> 00:33:22.680
I am to become host to Oddan.

592
00:33:31.000 --> 00:33:34.039
The operation to implant Odan into the new host was

593
00:33:34.079 --> 00:33:38.119
completed at nineteen hundred hours and appears to have been successful.

594
00:33:39.039 --> 00:33:43.720
There were no difficulties in assimilation. Doctor Beverly, could we

595
00:33:43.839 --> 00:33:45.000
talk for a moment.

596
00:33:50.960 --> 00:33:52.000
Should be sleeping.

597
00:33:52.039 --> 00:33:53.000
You need to rest.

598
00:33:53.839 --> 00:34:00.640
I've never felt better except once or twice.

599
00:34:01.839 --> 00:34:06.079
My poor Beverly. This has been so hard for you.

600
00:34:08.559 --> 00:34:12.679
I want to thank you for your caring for your

601
00:34:12.760 --> 00:34:13.760
standing by me.

602
00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:18.159
I congratulate you. You averted a war that would have

603
00:34:18.199 --> 00:34:19.719
cost many lives.

604
00:34:20.599 --> 00:34:26.880
Yes, it seems as though everything has turned out for

605
00:34:26.920 --> 00:34:35.599
the best. And yes, I am still odone and I

606
00:34:35.639 --> 00:34:42.199
still love you. I cannot imagine that ever changing. I

607
00:34:42.199 --> 00:34:48.480
am glad that you're all right. Is there to be

608
00:34:48.519 --> 00:34:49.119
nothing more?

609
00:34:53.800 --> 00:34:58.719
Perhaps it is a human failing, but we are not

610
00:34:58.840 --> 00:35:03.280
accustomed to these kinds of changes. I can't keep up.

611
00:35:04.679 --> 00:35:07.199
How long will you have this host? What would the

612
00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:12.079
next one be? I can't live with that kind of uncertainty.

613
00:35:18.039 --> 00:35:26.679
Perhaps someday our ability to love won't be so limited.

614
00:35:31.760 --> 00:35:41.760
I understand, Odn, I do love you.

615
00:35:43.400 --> 00:35:44.360
Please remember that.

616
00:35:53.679 --> 00:35:55.480
I will never forget you.

617
00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:10.440
All Right, there it is, take it away, Paul, all right.

618
00:36:10.559 --> 00:36:14.280
In the Next Generation episode The Host, which of course

619
00:36:14.559 --> 00:36:18.480
was this episode, Doctor Beverly Crusher falls in love with Odan,

620
00:36:19.280 --> 00:36:23.519
a Trill mediator, the male version of him, but after

621
00:36:23.559 --> 00:36:26.559
he's mortally injured, Odon is transferred to a new female

622
00:36:26.639 --> 00:36:29.880
Trill host, and Crusher chooses not to continue the relationship.

623
00:36:30.679 --> 00:36:32.480
And this is an interesting way that we asked the

624
00:36:32.599 --> 00:36:37.920
question would you have done the same thing? So eighty

625
00:36:37.960 --> 00:36:41.000
six percent of our responders said absolutely they would have

626
00:36:41.039 --> 00:36:44.360
done the same thing. Fourteen percent of our responders said

627
00:36:45.800 --> 00:36:48.360
they would not have done the same thing. And so

628
00:36:48.760 --> 00:36:52.800
the question is not, you know, did Beverly Crusher do

629
00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:56.280
the right thing? The question is would you have done

630
00:36:56.320 --> 00:37:00.440
the same thing? And so it's a real personal like

631
00:37:00.519 --> 00:37:02.519
way to ask the question, and I think that it

632
00:37:03.360 --> 00:37:06.280
has a different flavor for every single person that's out there.

633
00:37:06.360 --> 00:37:09.199
I mean, honestly, we have no idea what Beverly found

634
00:37:09.880 --> 00:37:13.960
attractive about Odon. Presumably she liked who he was. He

635
00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:16.880
also had great hair, you know, had those amazing lumps

636
00:37:16.920 --> 00:37:20.400
on his forehead, So of course female Odon also had

637
00:37:20.400 --> 00:37:22.800
the amazing lumps. And you remember, in case you're all confused,

638
00:37:22.840 --> 00:37:25.239
and you can see the video now, trills look different

639
00:37:25.320 --> 00:37:27.360
in next generation than they look at Deep Space nine

640
00:37:27.400 --> 00:37:30.159
and from there on. So these are trills, the trills

641
00:37:30.159 --> 00:37:32.000
that you're thinking of, they just don't have the spots.

642
00:37:32.760 --> 00:37:36.679
But yeah, I mean, if the question is would you

643
00:37:36.719 --> 00:37:40.119
have done the same thing, I wouldn't have necessarily fallen

644
00:37:40.159 --> 00:37:42.920
in love with somebody based on their gender or what

645
00:37:42.960 --> 00:37:44.639
they look like. I would have fallen in love with

646
00:37:44.679 --> 00:37:46.400
the person, and so I would probably be on the

647
00:37:46.440 --> 00:37:49.960
no end of this thing personally, their gender wouldn't really

648
00:37:50.000 --> 00:37:52.559
matter to me. I would have loved the person and

649
00:37:52.639 --> 00:37:57.039
probably still loved the person. Albeit a big change like

650
00:37:57.079 --> 00:37:59.639
that into a new body is something to get used to.

651
00:38:01.360 --> 00:38:04.920
And I'm not sure that this episode, especially what Beverly

652
00:38:05.000 --> 00:38:08.199
just said, their ages that well, I think that we

653
00:38:08.239 --> 00:38:12.119
have updated sensibilities now. And you know she says humans

654
00:38:12.360 --> 00:38:15.599
think this way. Well, Beverly, sorry to tell you not

655
00:38:15.639 --> 00:38:20.079
all humans think this way.

656
00:38:22.480 --> 00:38:24.239
She fell in love with a candle and made it

657
00:38:24.239 --> 00:38:24.800
with a ghost.

658
00:38:25.760 --> 00:38:30.039
Well, I mean, Beverly has got some interesting senses of relationships.

659
00:38:30.039 --> 00:38:32.159
But yeah, but for me, the answer here is no.

660
00:38:32.320 --> 00:38:34.039
So I'm with the fourteen percent in this one. But

661
00:38:34.119 --> 00:38:36.800
I get it. You know, if you're expecting one thing,

662
00:38:36.840 --> 00:38:39.599
if you're expecting chocolate and you get vanilla, you might

663
00:38:39.679 --> 00:38:41.480
be disappointed. So I don't know, what do you go?

664
00:38:45.199 --> 00:38:52.840
What about you, Charles, Well, if you go with the definition.

665
00:38:58.000 --> 00:39:02.079
Craik Mayo, Yeah, my camera just popped a straight male

666
00:39:02.159 --> 00:39:06.239
a straight female. A straight female might not have a

667
00:39:06.840 --> 00:39:12.719
interest in a another female, but she was interested in

668
00:39:12.760 --> 00:39:17.679
a male. So I think it's the issue of dealing

669
00:39:17.800 --> 00:39:25.599
with the host changing to a different sex but keeping

670
00:39:25.639 --> 00:39:33.840
the personality. Even uh, even Cisco had issues dealing with

671
00:39:34.199 --> 00:39:41.159
Dax because the reference of old man. But she's not

672
00:39:41.239 --> 00:39:46.639
an old man. So I think the Trill rather accept

673
00:39:46.960 --> 00:39:48.280
the change of.

674
00:39:50.440 --> 00:39:50.840
Looks.

675
00:39:52.239 --> 00:39:53.280
But I think it's a little.

676
00:39:53.159 --> 00:39:54.679
Harder for.

677
00:39:57.880 --> 00:40:03.159
The standard p people from Earth sometimes feel in the

678
00:40:03.199 --> 00:40:07.400
same way. So I kind of agree with the minions

679
00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:09.280
on this one. It'd be kind of difficult to sit

680
00:40:09.320 --> 00:40:11.639
there and say, oh, you were a guy yesterday.

681
00:40:11.679 --> 00:40:12.920
Oh now you're a female.

682
00:40:13.000 --> 00:40:16.280
It's like, okay, we're still trying to build in the

683
00:40:16.320 --> 00:40:17.360
same relationship.

684
00:40:19.360 --> 00:40:21.599
So Charles, the question was would you have done the

685
00:40:21.639 --> 00:40:22.079
same thing?

686
00:40:22.760 --> 00:40:25.000
I would say probably for me, I probably would have

687
00:40:25.039 --> 00:40:33.079
done the same thing. As there's I understand people's opinions

688
00:40:33.119 --> 00:40:37.079
on that. It's just not in my side.

689
00:40:40.239 --> 00:40:42.239
And the palm trees that are swaying in the back

690
00:40:42.320 --> 00:40:44.960
agree with you. Yes, they're swinging.

691
00:40:45.079 --> 00:40:48.239
Yeah, the poms have calm to hear.

692
00:40:48.280 --> 00:40:56.320
In my opinion, that's right, that's right. As the U.

693
00:40:59.280 --> 00:41:12.519
Leah, yeah, what's going on here? What's going on? Guys?

694
00:41:12.800 --> 00:41:14.760
Does anybody else have an opinion on?

695
00:41:14.840 --> 00:41:15.280
The poll?

696
00:41:15.880 --> 00:41:18.880
Question was this was the very very first episode to

697
00:41:18.920 --> 00:41:22.119
mention the Trill species, right, this is really introducing me.

698
00:41:22.280 --> 00:41:24.840
So I think they were getting their hands around this thing.

699
00:41:25.400 --> 00:41:28.559
They didn't really even realize it. It was that Trills

700
00:41:28.559 --> 00:41:31.719
were going to become this you know, institutionalized thing. Right. Basically,

701
00:41:31.760 --> 00:41:35.159
this was a device that was created as a way

702
00:41:35.159 --> 00:41:38.239
of exploring you know, it is written with the ending

703
00:41:38.280 --> 00:41:40.360
in mind, I think, really is how it was structured.

704
00:41:40.440 --> 00:41:40.559
Right.

705
00:41:40.599 --> 00:41:42.840
It was like, you know, to to basically say, is

706
00:41:42.880 --> 00:41:45.920
okay if that was to change? Right, can you get

707
00:41:45.960 --> 00:41:48.760
past your sexual identity and still love the person?

708
00:41:49.039 --> 00:41:49.199
Right?

709
00:41:49.280 --> 00:41:51.800
And it's a super personal thing, right, And you know,

710
00:41:51.880 --> 00:41:57.960
and our perception of and and of what gender even

711
00:41:58.199 --> 00:42:02.159
means has changed so much since this episode came out, right,

712
00:42:02.239 --> 00:42:03.840
I mean, I don't even know what it was like

713
00:42:04.039 --> 00:42:07.000
twenty some years ago or more, right, at least I'm

714
00:42:07.039 --> 00:42:09.440
bad at math, but it's been forever. I mean, you know,

715
00:42:09.559 --> 00:42:12.199
it's just so much stuff has changed, right, And it

716
00:42:12.280 --> 00:42:15.519
is super personal for people. Right. What's funny is it's like,

717
00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:18.159
you know, you watch this now and Beverly's like, you know,

718
00:42:18.239 --> 00:42:21.679
she's giving this total you know what to me sounds

719
00:42:21.719 --> 00:42:23.280
like a complete BS answer.

720
00:42:23.400 --> 00:42:23.559
Right.

721
00:42:23.639 --> 00:42:28.519
She's like she's like, uh, yes, I'm not coming because

722
00:42:28.719 --> 00:42:31.159
of the person and she's like saying everything. But the

723
00:42:31.199 --> 00:42:33.760
thing that really is, you know, the deal breaker, right,

724
00:42:33.920 --> 00:42:36.719
you know the penis, Right, we don't have the penis.

725
00:42:36.719 --> 00:42:39.679
So it's and you know, your girl and I'm going

726
00:42:39.840 --> 00:42:41.679
and it was very you know, kind of you know,

727
00:42:41.760 --> 00:42:44.840
traditionally kind of having an heterosexual reaction to it, right,

728
00:42:45.440 --> 00:42:48.320
So it's things have changed a lot, right, So you know,

729
00:42:48.360 --> 00:42:49.960
I don't think I need to give you my personal

730
00:42:50.639 --> 00:42:56.119
action response to this, because you know, it's frankly your business.

731
00:42:55.280 --> 00:42:58.760
But it's just interesting, you know, it's it's curious how

732
00:42:59.719 --> 00:43:02.519
things have evolved. You this would seem really kind of

733
00:43:04.199 --> 00:43:05.639
what do you think, Erica, do you think this would

734
00:43:05.639 --> 00:43:10.679
seem sort of like, you know, almost like what I

735
00:43:10.719 --> 00:43:13.440
want to pick the right word here, but it would

736
00:43:13.480 --> 00:43:15.920
just sort of seem rudimentary if they were to put

737
00:43:15.960 --> 00:43:19.440
this on today, it just wouldn't even begin, especially where

738
00:43:19.480 --> 00:43:22.079
you know things have gone on Discovery over the last

739
00:43:22.159 --> 00:43:22.519
ye Yeah.

740
00:43:22.559 --> 00:43:24.840
I think I think if you put this episode on

741
00:43:24.880 --> 00:43:28.159
television these days, the internet would have a shit fit.

742
00:43:28.679 --> 00:43:32.519
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's just it's it's you know, because

743
00:43:32.559 --> 00:43:34.079
you know, I mean I don't even think that like,

744
00:43:34.159 --> 00:43:36.239
you know, folks had like you know, I mean, they

745
00:43:36.280 --> 00:43:37.679
didn't know we're going to be editing a world where

746
00:43:37.760 --> 00:43:40.599
like things like trans identity, we're going to be controversial

747
00:43:40.599 --> 00:43:42.360
and things like this. So much has change, right, so

748
00:43:42.880 --> 00:43:45.199
it's interesting to see it. I kind of feel like

749
00:43:45.239 --> 00:43:49.320
they didn't give Gates mcfad enough to work with here.

750
00:43:49.400 --> 00:43:51.559
I feel like she was really muted in that scene,

751
00:43:51.920 --> 00:43:54.519
and I think that there's you know, good adventress. I

752
00:43:54.519 --> 00:43:56.360
think it would have been better to let her explore

753
00:43:56.400 --> 00:43:59.559
it more deeply, you know, and and she doesn't seem

754
00:43:59.639 --> 00:44:04.119
torn at all, and so it's not as interesting. Yep.

755
00:44:04.280 --> 00:44:06.280
Well, I think if they had done that, if this

756
00:44:06.400 --> 00:44:10.320
was today and not not Berman Trek, I think it

757
00:44:10.320 --> 00:44:12.199
would have been a lot different. I think they would

758
00:44:12.199 --> 00:44:15.480
have explored that a lot more. But you know, back

759
00:44:15.519 --> 00:44:18.519
in the day, you know you're going to lose advertisers.

760
00:44:18.519 --> 00:44:21.800
It's not cool. And Rick Berman was always trying to

761
00:44:21.800 --> 00:44:24.360
walk the line. He never wanted to cross it or

762
00:44:24.400 --> 00:44:28.719
be too controversial. So the easy thing was, well, Beverly's

763
00:44:28.719 --> 00:44:30.920
going to play it cool and Odin's going to leave.

764
00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:33.039
We're going to move on to the next episode. So

765
00:44:33.159 --> 00:44:35.280
I think that they I think you're right, Paul, they

766
00:44:35.280 --> 00:44:38.800
missed a big opportunity in this episode to actually make

767
00:44:38.840 --> 00:44:42.480
a statement and explore something, and they missed the mark.

768
00:44:43.000 --> 00:44:47.280
I think, well opin this episode for those that wondered,

769
00:44:47.360 --> 00:44:52.760
date backs to May thirteenth, nineteen ninety one.

770
00:44:54.400 --> 00:45:02.800
Wow, nineteen ninety one, ninety one. That's going way back there, dudes, wasn't.

771
00:45:02.639 --> 00:45:04.239
Even born back then yet.

772
00:45:05.239 --> 00:45:07.400
Wowe ago.

773
00:45:07.840 --> 00:45:13.119
Yeah, so just imagine that happening on Discovery. I think

774
00:45:13.159 --> 00:45:16.039
it would have been written and played a lot differently

775
00:45:16.039 --> 00:45:19.280
than it was thirty four years ago, for sure.

776
00:45:21.199 --> 00:45:22.880
Definitely. Well, look.

777
00:45:25.920 --> 00:45:27.159
At the reaction of.

778
00:45:28.559 --> 00:45:35.800
Riiker with the asexual society where they were all just single,

779
00:45:36.000 --> 00:45:40.079
single gender, but some tended towards one gender or the other,

780
00:45:42.639 --> 00:45:46.599
whereas they wouldn't even risk having the other character being

781
00:45:46.599 --> 00:45:48.840
played by a male. It had to be played by

782
00:45:48.880 --> 00:45:50.039
a female.

783
00:45:51.559 --> 00:45:55.840
Because they were willing to risk. Right.

784
00:45:57.280 --> 00:45:59.199
Yeah, back then life was so different.

785
00:45:59.400 --> 00:46:02.199
There was never back then thirty years ago.

786
00:46:03.519 --> 00:46:03.880
Totally.

787
00:46:04.039 --> 00:46:07.840
The media was different and was different.

788
00:46:08.079 --> 00:46:13.519
It was then.

789
00:46:12.719 --> 00:46:13.199
I were there.

790
00:46:13.320 --> 00:46:15.960
They also had to say like, you can't say this,

791
00:46:16.079 --> 00:46:18.679
you can't say that, so they probably had different rules

792
00:46:18.719 --> 00:46:19.320
back then too.

793
00:46:21.000 --> 00:46:24.239
All right, so that was a ninety one We barely

794
00:46:24.280 --> 00:46:29.400
even had anything of an internet back then, well.

795
00:46:29.239 --> 00:46:31.880
Back in nineteen ninety one, everybody still thought you got

796
00:46:31.960 --> 00:46:35.320
age by kissing somebody, so it like things were different

797
00:46:35.360 --> 00:46:36.280
back then for sure.

798
00:46:36.960 --> 00:46:41.119
Yeah, yeah, yes, all right, guys. Well that wraps up

799
00:46:41.159 --> 00:46:43.719
our polls for the week. Go to our over to

800
00:46:43.719 --> 00:46:47.280
our page Trek Talking and Beyond on Facebook and answer

801
00:46:47.360 --> 00:46:49.599
some polls over there. I try to come up with

802
00:46:49.639 --> 00:46:52.079
interesting one. So let me just clarify something. I am

803
00:46:52.079 --> 00:46:54.800
the one that writes the polls, okay, and when I'm

804
00:46:54.840 --> 00:46:57.039
sitting around the day and I think, oh, that's an

805
00:46:57.039 --> 00:47:00.239
interesting question. I worded this question in the way I

806
00:47:00.320 --> 00:47:03.199
worded it because a lot of times when I word

807
00:47:03.280 --> 00:47:07.760
the questions, people are like, oh, well, you know Picard, Beverly,

808
00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:10.679
the Federation, whatever, And I think sometimes the point of

809
00:47:10.719 --> 00:47:12.920
the question isn't what did the character do, but what

810
00:47:12.920 --> 00:47:14.719
what do you think they should have done? Or what

811
00:47:14.760 --> 00:47:17.559
would you have done? Not what the character did. So

812
00:47:17.639 --> 00:47:20.440
I worded this one a little bit differently on purpose.

813
00:47:21.280 --> 00:47:22.719
So that's why I did.

814
00:47:23.159 --> 00:47:25.599
Are you with the minions then, Uncle Jim?

815
00:47:25.960 --> 00:47:27.719
So what did our minions say? I don't need.

816
00:47:29.239 --> 00:47:32.840
Eighty six said absolutely, fourteen said.

817
00:47:34.079 --> 00:47:37.360
Yeah I would, I would go with the no. Yeah,

818
00:47:37.400 --> 00:47:41.199
there we are and so all right, so that means

819
00:47:41.239 --> 00:47:43.599
it's time for us to move on to Paul's portion

820
00:47:43.880 --> 00:47:47.119
of the show. I will turn the microphone over to

821
00:47:47.199 --> 00:47:49.519
Paul and Paul can take it away.

822
00:47:50.000 --> 00:47:51.760
Okay, let's explain why we're turning.

823
00:47:52.360 --> 00:47:53.039
What's going on.

824
00:47:53.840 --> 00:47:57.239
Over the last couple of weeks, we've been diving into

825
00:47:57.400 --> 00:48:03.719
the second season of the Disney plush Homed or Hello,

826
00:48:04.400 --> 00:48:09.400
and it's a twelve episode season and tonight we're knocking

827
00:48:09.480 --> 00:48:11.639
up our thumbridge, right, so we're talking about it's a

828
00:48:12.239 --> 00:48:16.559
season of television that's broken up into four three episode arcs, right,

829
00:48:16.599 --> 00:48:19.039
and so it's been very exciting, all of this being

830
00:48:19.119 --> 00:48:23.039
a prequel, if you will, to the Rogue one movie,

831
00:48:23.559 --> 00:48:26.480
so a lot of folks have been very eager to

832
00:48:26.519 --> 00:48:31.320
watch this, and so tonight we're focusing on episodes ten, eleven,

833
00:48:31.400 --> 00:48:34.320
and twelve, which is the big finish to this, not

834
00:48:34.360 --> 00:48:37.440
only just the season season two, but to this series

835
00:48:37.440 --> 00:48:40.400
as a whole. And it has been remarkable. So I

836
00:48:40.400 --> 00:48:42.199
think we have a lot of cool things that we're

837
00:48:42.199 --> 00:48:45.360
going to be able to talk about here tonight. I'm

838
00:48:45.360 --> 00:48:48.280
super excited to dive in there. And so what we've

839
00:48:48.320 --> 00:48:51.760
been doing and hopefully this will work good still tonight

840
00:48:52.239 --> 00:48:56.679
is we've been focusing our coverage and starting off by

841
00:48:56.679 --> 00:48:59.519
doing kind of a quick summary of the three different episodes,

842
00:48:59.519 --> 00:49:02.760
so it makes it well on the same contextual playing

843
00:49:02.760 --> 00:49:04.519
field to start with. So let's start off with the

844
00:49:04.559 --> 00:49:08.119
first episode and again, these first three episodes here, it's

845
00:49:08.159 --> 00:49:11.079
a prologue to Rogue one. So this is one year

846
00:49:11.239 --> 00:49:14.320
in advance of everything that happens in the first Awards movie.

847
00:49:14.360 --> 00:49:18.599
So bby being before the it's a one year before

848
00:49:18.639 --> 00:49:21.960
that because we've the series has progressively gotten closer and

849
00:49:22.000 --> 00:49:25.320
closer to those events that happened in Rogue one. So

850
00:49:25.360 --> 00:49:28.119
the first episode is called make It Stop. And this

851
00:49:28.440 --> 00:49:31.440
was a barn burner at least in my humble opinion. Right,

852
00:49:32.320 --> 00:49:36.719
it's a very Luthen centric episode, and this really really

853
00:49:36.800 --> 00:49:41.599
captures that spy espionage vibe that has been what's propelled

854
00:49:41.639 --> 00:49:47.079
I think and or most successfully right. So Luthan goes

855
00:49:47.119 --> 00:49:50.480
to meet Lannie, right, and Lonnie has been working within

856
00:49:51.039 --> 00:49:54.440
the ISB, the Imperial Security Bureau, is a mole for

857
00:49:54.519 --> 00:49:57.199
quite a while and he's got bad news. He tells

858
00:49:57.280 --> 00:50:00.800
Luthen that the jig is up a cent right, that

859
00:50:01.480 --> 00:50:05.000
Dedra Miro is coming for him to the antiquities shop soon.

860
00:50:06.239 --> 00:50:09.119
And also Lonnie is figuring out what the Empire has

861
00:50:09.119 --> 00:50:12.639
been secretly building. This so called energy project that they've

862
00:50:12.679 --> 00:50:15.679
been talking about is in reality this massive super weapon

863
00:50:15.760 --> 00:50:19.320
called the Death Star. Right, So on this park bench,

864
00:50:19.719 --> 00:50:23.440
Luthen convinces Lonnie to tell him everything. And then a

865
00:50:23.440 --> 00:50:25.719
few minutes later we come back and Lonnie has been

866
00:50:25.840 --> 00:50:30.440
left dead on that park bench. So Luthen is he's

867
00:50:30.480 --> 00:50:33.760
a cold dude man. He is a mercenary killer when

868
00:50:33.800 --> 00:50:35.840
it comes down to it and things need to get done.

869
00:50:35.800 --> 00:50:38.639
And I think at this point Luthen knows, right, you

870
00:50:38.679 --> 00:50:41.599
cannot let them know what the when they get you,

871
00:50:41.599 --> 00:50:43.239
you cannot let them know what you didn't. Boy, these

872
00:50:43.239 --> 00:50:47.559
pictures are going well where we are in terms of.

873
00:50:47.199 --> 00:50:52.239
Slow down, Dedra, Right, but David bleeze in about five

874
00:50:52.280 --> 00:50:53.760
seconds between photos.

875
00:50:53.360 --> 00:50:58.840
Here's advance those photos. It's manually advanced. You know. Next

876
00:50:59.039 --> 00:51:04.360
please like bad work, bad work presentation, They're gonna go

877
00:51:04.480 --> 00:51:08.159
to the next flight that bar Oh my god, Sorry,

878
00:51:08.280 --> 00:51:12.519
I'm just drifting in an angry on anything. So they

879
00:51:12.599 --> 00:51:15.199
they're in a situation where they know that, you know,

880
00:51:15.280 --> 00:51:16.840
if the Empire gets ahold of them, they're going to

881
00:51:16.920 --> 00:51:19.079
torture them to find out everything the rebel Alliance knows.

882
00:51:19.079 --> 00:51:21.280
So you can't get caught, and you certainly can't leave

883
00:51:21.320 --> 00:51:24.440
someone alive to get caught, because I think at this

884
00:51:24.440 --> 00:51:27.199
point Luthan knows that both he and Lonnie are done for, right,

885
00:51:27.320 --> 00:51:29.360
and so in a way, I mean, you could say, wow, man,

886
00:51:29.400 --> 00:51:32.199
that's really cold, because Lonnie had a family and everything, right,

887
00:51:32.239 --> 00:51:35.400
because well, he knows at this point that Lonnie was

888
00:51:35.400 --> 00:51:38.239
gonna get caught, right, and they would torture his family

889
00:51:38.400 --> 00:51:40.440
to get the information out of Lonnie. Right, So, in

890
00:51:40.480 --> 00:51:43.119
a weird way, leaving him deadlight down on the park

891
00:51:43.159 --> 00:51:45.639
bench is kind of like a it's almost like a

892
00:51:45.639 --> 00:51:48.480
mercy in a weird way from Luthan's perspective, I think, right,

893
00:51:48.519 --> 00:51:51.280
because no one's getting out of this in a good position. Right.

894
00:51:51.320 --> 00:51:53.639
If Lonnie goes back to the office, he's gonna get,

895
00:51:53.679 --> 00:51:57.639
you know, tortured, you know. So it's it's really it's

896
00:51:57.719 --> 00:52:00.320
very very sad, but it's also ruthlessly effective, right, And

897
00:52:00.360 --> 00:52:02.599
it really establishes that we're in a high stakes situation.

898
00:52:03.360 --> 00:52:05.519
And then we get what I think is one of

899
00:52:05.559 --> 00:52:09.840
the best scenes in the entire series of and or,

900
00:52:09.960 --> 00:52:12.719
if not all of Star Wars. I love this scene

901
00:52:13.599 --> 00:52:16.800
where he Luthen is in his alter ego as the

902
00:52:16.840 --> 00:52:20.719
antiquities dealer in his show and he gets a knock

903
00:52:20.800 --> 00:52:23.800
on the door visit from Ded Ramiro. Right, And these

904
00:52:23.880 --> 00:52:27.320
are the two polar opposite antagonist characters on this show.

905
00:52:27.719 --> 00:52:30.840
But for me, I think the two most compelling characters. Right,

906
00:52:30.880 --> 00:52:32.800
They're just phenomenal. They're the ones I think that the

907
00:52:32.840 --> 00:52:35.920
audience has been waiting to see them come to Loggerheads,

908
00:52:35.920 --> 00:52:38.280
and we get it. Lusten's gone into there and he

909
00:52:38.559 --> 00:52:40.840
knows that the end is coming, so he's sabotaging all

910
00:52:40.840 --> 00:52:43.000
the radio equipment, right, so they can't get anything out

911
00:52:43.039 --> 00:52:44.440
of it. So he's going there and he's poorting the

912
00:52:44.480 --> 00:52:48.880
equivalent of molecular assets on the radio equipment so they

913
00:52:48.880 --> 00:52:51.559
can't frock it back to where the rebels are in

914
00:52:51.599 --> 00:52:55.519
one and there she is, right, And it's an amazing

915
00:52:55.599 --> 00:52:59.159
scene with them as accurates, because they're just both of

916
00:52:59.199 --> 00:53:03.199
them are still very much playing a part with each other. Right,

917
00:53:03.199 --> 00:53:06.119
They're going through the motions and they know why each

918
00:53:06.159 --> 00:53:10.159
other are there, right, But they're smiling and she's like,

919
00:53:10.320 --> 00:53:13.280
is everything in here, you know, authentic? And he's like, oh,

920
00:53:13.280 --> 00:53:17.199
there are only two items are questionable providence, right, meaning

921
00:53:18.039 --> 00:53:18.840
the two of them.

922
00:53:19.079 --> 00:53:19.280
Right.

923
00:53:19.360 --> 00:53:22.960
It's a brilliantly written scene. It's just so fantastic. They

924
00:53:23.039 --> 00:53:26.119
both know the truth, right, And it's only when Dedra

925
00:53:26.840 --> 00:53:29.519
brings out what she's bringing in to sort of see

926
00:53:29.519 --> 00:53:32.159
if it could be a praise. It's the star Path

927
00:53:32.320 --> 00:53:35.760
unit that she knows that the Rebels had from season one.

928
00:53:35.880 --> 00:53:37.840
It's like, there you go, and then all of a sudden,

929
00:53:37.880 --> 00:53:40.960
the blinders are down, right, And I just love how

930
00:53:41.039 --> 00:53:45.159
even though he's caught right Lutheran, he's just too clever,

931
00:53:45.280 --> 00:53:47.440
he's too smart, and he just doesn't let her have

932
00:53:47.519 --> 00:53:50.960
the satisfaction. Even when she's just you know, letting him

933
00:53:50.960 --> 00:53:54.119
know you're finished, He's just like, you're too late. The

934
00:53:54.199 --> 00:53:59.360
rebellion's flown away, right, he's taunting her, right, just there's

935
00:53:59.360 --> 00:54:01.960
a whole gal like see out there waiting to disgust you.

936
00:54:02.159 --> 00:54:06.440
I just thought that was amazing, right, absolutely great, And

937
00:54:08.079 --> 00:54:10.079
he tries to take his own life using one of

938
00:54:10.119 --> 00:54:12.920
the artifacts, right, But and if they it becomes a

939
00:54:12.960 --> 00:54:15.480
panic scene for Dedra, right, because it's like she went

940
00:54:15.519 --> 00:54:17.760
off book to run this raid. Right, she did not

941
00:54:17.800 --> 00:54:20.639
get permission for any of this, right, Like everything she does,

942
00:54:21.039 --> 00:54:23.760
she's got to, you know, have the theatricality. She can't

943
00:54:23.800 --> 00:54:25.559
resist it. She has to go in there and try

944
00:54:25.559 --> 00:54:27.480
to get all the credit for herself, right, And it

945
00:54:27.519 --> 00:54:30.119
blows up in her face because she turned her back

946
00:54:30.159 --> 00:54:32.480
and Luthen tried to kill himself. So now it becomes

947
00:54:32.519 --> 00:54:34.760
this thing for her if we don't keep him alive

948
00:54:35.840 --> 00:54:39.679
bad times, right, So, I mean, it's just amazing, it's

949
00:54:39.679 --> 00:54:41.760
incredibly well, it's just if you've not seen the scene,

950
00:54:41.840 --> 00:54:46.760
it it's unbelievable, really really great. So Luton sacrifices himself.

951
00:54:46.800 --> 00:54:51.480
Then in come the battalions of Imperial texts, right scouring

952
00:54:51.559 --> 00:54:56.559
the antiquity shop and the fondor hallcraft who ship for clues,

953
00:54:56.599 --> 00:54:58.199
and man, is it a bummer We didn't get to

954
00:54:58.199 --> 00:55:00.679
see that ship do any more cool stuff in this

955
00:55:00.760 --> 00:55:03.119
season because the one time we really saw it out there,

956
00:55:03.239 --> 00:55:06.760
you know, up against a earlier version of an Imperial distart,

957
00:55:06.800 --> 00:55:08.679
the story it was pretty fantastic. I mean, it was

958
00:55:08.719 --> 00:55:10.920
a cool ass ship. So I was a little bumma

959
00:55:10.960 --> 00:55:12.440
we didn't get to have any of that action there.

960
00:55:12.440 --> 00:55:14.039
But we only had two seasons, so there you go.

961
00:55:16.079 --> 00:55:19.920
So again, Debra did all of this without any oversight

962
00:55:20.000 --> 00:55:22.480
at all, and this raid on the antiquity shop just

963
00:55:22.519 --> 00:55:25.519
blows up in her face, right, And she has not

964
00:55:25.679 --> 00:55:28.880
been a rule follower at all, because she really wanted

965
00:55:28.920 --> 00:55:31.599
to be the person who fought and caught it, caught

966
00:55:31.639 --> 00:55:35.280
the big bad nemesis of the empire. Right. And so

967
00:55:35.960 --> 00:55:40.559
what's really interesting is she does exactly what she accused

968
00:55:40.719 --> 00:55:43.920
Luthan of doing right with his rebellion. She's accused Luthen

969
00:55:43.960 --> 00:55:46.320
of you know, you don't want freedom, you want chaos.

970
00:55:46.519 --> 00:55:49.920
But that's what Debra's doing. She's creating nothing but chaos

971
00:55:50.360 --> 00:55:53.519
in her interactions out there, chaos within the ISB because

972
00:55:53.519 --> 00:55:56.079
she's not following the rules or getting approval for things.

973
00:55:56.320 --> 00:55:59.079
She's just she's not a rule follower at all, right,

974
00:55:59.199 --> 00:56:04.280
She's road she's complete loose cannon. So it's just rich,

975
00:56:04.480 --> 00:56:07.800
deep irony of the best kind. It's just awesome, so

976
00:56:07.920 --> 00:56:11.199
really really great. So Dedra gets arrested and Luthen has

977
00:56:11.280 --> 00:56:14.559
rushed to this you know, security unit within this hospital.

978
00:56:14.599 --> 00:56:17.360
And I love this because we've never really seen a

979
00:56:17.440 --> 00:56:20.559
hospital facility in Star Wars before. And it was phenomenal.

980
00:56:21.079 --> 00:56:23.320
Phenomenal the production design where we can get in there

981
00:56:23.360 --> 00:56:25.199
and really see the things that they invented. None of

982
00:56:25.199 --> 00:56:28.079
it's just like hastily designed. It was very clever and

983
00:56:28.199 --> 00:56:31.840
interesting and very believable, and it was just remarkable. This

984
00:56:31.880 --> 00:56:38.280
whole sequence is just super super super compelling and incredibly suspenseful,

985
00:56:38.320 --> 00:56:40.760
like the best spy pictures are. I mean, it's just great.

986
00:56:41.159 --> 00:56:43.920
And what's really fun is we get some intercutting here, right,

987
00:56:44.000 --> 00:56:49.760
because while Luthan's you know, main aid player, right, is

988
00:56:50.880 --> 00:56:56.599
coming into the hospital, right, she's she knows we cannot

989
00:56:56.679 --> 00:57:00.400
let them save Luthan's life, right, we can and not

990
00:57:00.760 --> 00:57:03.519
because if they keep him alive, they're going to basically,

991
00:57:03.599 --> 00:57:05.679
you know, feel him like a grape, right, They're going

992
00:57:05.719 --> 00:57:08.199
to get all the information about the rebel alliance out

993
00:57:08.239 --> 00:57:11.519
of him. So it's important that he dies. It's like

994
00:57:11.559 --> 00:57:15.119
the same way it was important for Luthen that Lannie died. Right,

995
00:57:15.239 --> 00:57:18.119
It's basically she's taken on his role. Now she's got

996
00:57:18.159 --> 00:57:20.320
to make sure that he's not allowed to give up

997
00:57:20.480 --> 00:57:22.400
everything that he knows. Right, So he's like it's the

998
00:57:22.480 --> 00:57:27.159
ticking clock. Aspects of everything here are just phenomenal, phenomenal.

999
00:57:27.440 --> 00:57:30.880
So they're intercutting between her basically being like a one

1000
00:57:30.960 --> 00:57:35.800
woman army right going in, sneaking into the hospital, stealing

1001
00:57:35.840 --> 00:57:40.320
scrubs and masquerading as a nurse, right going in there,

1002
00:57:40.519 --> 00:57:44.599
using a patient as cover, you know, distracting the Calm

1003
00:57:44.719 --> 00:57:48.440
Forest troopers with an explosion, all this crazy shit, right,

1004
00:57:48.760 --> 00:57:52.760
And that's all being intercut with the flashback origin story

1005
00:57:52.800 --> 00:57:55.280
of how she and luthen Man in the first place,

1006
00:57:55.320 --> 00:57:58.519
which we've never really seen before, which is really, really,

1007
00:57:58.559 --> 00:58:01.000
really cool. We get all these cool flashbacks and we

1008
00:58:01.039 --> 00:58:04.800
see that luth And played during a massacre what looks like,

1009
00:58:04.920 --> 00:58:07.719
you know, early Republic troops on some planet during the

1010
00:58:07.760 --> 00:58:12.199
Clone Wars, and it looks pretty pretty, you know, brutal.

1011
00:58:12.239 --> 00:58:15.599
And she's hiding out on the ship allah Newt and Aliens, right,

1012
00:58:15.639 --> 00:58:18.079
and he basically keeps your secret there. And they end

1013
00:58:18.159 --> 00:58:20.679
up teaming up and kind of acting as father and

1014
00:58:20.800 --> 00:58:24.239
daughter whenever it's useful, right, And we get over the

1015
00:58:24.320 --> 00:58:26.599
years to see their dynamic of how they've helped each

1016
00:58:26.599 --> 00:58:28.960
other out until they eventually formed this antiquities coming.

1017
00:58:29.039 --> 00:58:29.159
Right.

1018
00:58:29.280 --> 00:58:31.679
She at some point when she's just a young girl,

1019
00:58:31.719 --> 00:58:35.440
she's this boy executed for no reason, and Luthen tells her, hey,

1020
00:58:36.920 --> 00:58:39.679
you have to bank that anger until it's time to

1021
00:58:39.800 --> 00:58:42.000
use it, right. You can't just go out and destroy

1022
00:58:42.000 --> 00:58:44.159
everything right now. It's a waiting game. You have to

1023
00:58:44.199 --> 00:58:46.360
wait until it's appropriate to do stuff.

1024
00:58:46.519 --> 00:58:46.719
Right.

1025
00:58:47.000 --> 00:58:49.719
And then the final flashback, it looks like it's Naboo

1026
00:58:50.320 --> 00:58:53.679
right where we've seen in like Phantom Menace right where

1027
00:58:53.719 --> 00:58:58.559
they bomb a convoy. Right, And Naboo is significant because okay, yeah,

1028
00:58:58.599 --> 00:59:01.519
of course that's where Padmey is because padme was the queen,

1029
00:59:02.039 --> 00:59:05.320
but that's also where Emperor Palpatine is from, right. So

1030
00:59:05.400 --> 00:59:09.519
to have a bombing terrorist explosion on Palpatine's home planet, wow,

1031
00:59:09.679 --> 00:59:10.800
slapping the face to him.

1032
00:59:10.880 --> 00:59:11.039
Right.

1033
00:59:11.119 --> 00:59:13.119
So that's like the first real thing that they do

1034
00:59:13.360 --> 00:59:16.320
is that the blowing up that convoy and just the

1035
00:59:16.360 --> 00:59:19.440
intercutting with Claya and doing everything she does. It is amazing.

1036
00:59:19.519 --> 00:59:23.599
It is all so incredibly suspenseful. Her main goal, it's

1037
00:59:23.639 --> 00:59:25.519
so sad. Her goal is she's got to end his

1038
00:59:25.559 --> 00:59:27.760
life and keep the Empire from extracting what he knows.

1039
00:59:27.840 --> 00:59:31.960
It's amazing. This is a super great Luthen episode. It's

1040
00:59:32.079 --> 00:59:34.840
what a way to send farewell to one of the

1041
00:59:34.880 --> 00:59:39.679
great characters of Star Wars, I think, frankly because kudos

1042
00:59:39.679 --> 00:59:41.920
to Tony Gilroy and everyone on this show, because they

1043
00:59:41.920 --> 00:59:45.679
don't just make the rebellion, Yeah, we're good, We're on

1044
00:59:45.760 --> 00:59:48.159
the forces are good, right, I mean they go way

1045
00:59:48.199 --> 00:59:51.039
beyond that, because Luthing was always the dark side of

1046
00:59:51.079 --> 00:59:58.000
the rebellion, right, the maybe the the you know, the

1047
00:59:58.039 --> 01:00:01.159
Sena Orgonas of the world didn't want to necessarily you know,

1048
01:00:01.440 --> 01:00:04.639
admit existed, but he got stuff done that needed to

1049
01:00:04.639 --> 01:00:08.880
get done. So it's a phenomenal character, so really, really great.

1050
01:00:09.199 --> 01:00:12.639
I think for me, one of the absolute best episodes

1051
01:00:13.039 --> 01:00:16.280
of the entire season. Absolutely amazing, So I just loved it.

1052
01:00:17.360 --> 01:00:21.360
Next episode, episode eleven, who else knows? Two of three,

1053
01:00:21.440 --> 01:00:24.239
This is the aftermath of Clay as Atat right, and

1054
01:00:24.280 --> 01:00:26.360
it's just like, wow, she did a number, man, she

1055
01:00:26.480 --> 01:00:29.960
was super successful, right, she did it. You know, she

1056
01:00:30.079 --> 01:00:32.039
got to Lutheran and she made sure that they were

1057
01:00:32.039 --> 01:00:34.239
never going to get what he needed, what he knew

1058
01:00:34.320 --> 01:00:38.360
with their operations. Right. So the ISB is just scouring

1059
01:00:38.400 --> 01:00:43.159
the hospital, right, shutting things down. Dedra in this incredible scene,

1060
01:00:43.239 --> 01:00:49.239
is in an interrogation cell, getting improv getting interrogated by Krenick,

1061
01:00:49.280 --> 01:00:52.000
which is great and read up on the scene if

1062
01:00:52.000 --> 01:00:58.360
you're behind the scenes person. Amazing work here. The actor

1063
01:00:58.360 --> 01:01:01.559
who played Krenick, Ben Mendelshaan, Right, he improvised a lot

1064
01:01:01.559 --> 01:01:03.800
of that scene, right, like when he just suddenly comes

1065
01:01:03.840 --> 01:01:06.079
up behind her and puts his finger on her head.

1066
01:01:07.000 --> 01:01:10.199
She didn't know that was going to happen. Total improv moment,

1067
01:01:10.239 --> 01:01:13.800
which is amazing. But these watch good actors, like these

1068
01:01:13.840 --> 01:01:17.559
three working together. It's such a tree, absolutely amazing and

1069
01:01:18.400 --> 01:01:22.760
I just loved it. Absolutely spectacular work. Right. So anyhow,

1070
01:01:23.559 --> 01:01:26.880
in this a lot of you know, the aftermath here

1071
01:01:26.880 --> 01:01:30.000
with this interrogation and everything, and we learn again kind

1072
01:01:30.000 --> 01:01:32.599
of reinforced from his interrogation that you know, Denner was

1073
01:01:32.599 --> 01:01:35.119
doing whatever she wanted to when she had no permission,

1074
01:01:35.880 --> 01:01:39.679
you know, and she basically, you know, got accidentally got

1075
01:01:39.840 --> 01:01:43.880
a hold of the information that that she found out,

1076
01:01:44.320 --> 01:01:47.320
like you know, the whole death start things she shouldn't

1077
01:01:47.320 --> 01:01:49.079
have found she didn't have access to it, and now

1078
01:01:49.119 --> 01:01:50.840
she wanted to keep looking into which she kind of

1079
01:01:51.079 --> 01:01:54.480
stole more. She was totally off road with all this stuff. Right,

1080
01:01:54.599 --> 01:01:59.920
So Lea and and boy, I'm telling you Claire. I

1081
01:02:00.280 --> 01:02:02.639
wish I could remember the name of this actress who

1082
01:02:02.719 --> 01:02:04.719
somebody looking up for me real quickly, the actress who

1083
01:02:04.760 --> 01:02:07.440
played Clay, because I feel bad that I'm not able

1084
01:02:07.480 --> 01:02:09.639
to remember it in lifetime because of my not sign

1085
01:02:09.760 --> 01:02:10.719
vil organized today.

1086
01:02:11.000 --> 01:02:13.039
But she was Elizabeth Dulal.

1087
01:02:13.840 --> 01:02:17.239
Thank you, thank you. The thing about this actress and

1088
01:02:17.280 --> 01:02:22.960
this she's a phenomenal performer. This was her first role, friends,

1089
01:02:23.440 --> 01:02:25.719
I mean, she's really become a breakout star. But it's like,

1090
01:02:25.800 --> 01:02:28.599
you know how Peter O'Toole's first role was Lawrence of Arabia.

1091
01:02:29.360 --> 01:02:31.559
What how's that possible? She came out of like the

1092
01:02:31.639 --> 01:02:33.599
Royal Acabey of Dramatic arts, right, and this was like

1093
01:02:33.639 --> 01:02:35.880
her first thing. And her first audition was like, well,

1094
01:02:35.880 --> 01:02:39.840
you're gonna have to do a scene with you know,

1095
01:02:41.599 --> 01:02:46.480
with the with scarguard with yeah, with scarsguard for your audition.

1096
01:02:46.679 --> 01:02:49.519
I hope that's okay, right, And she just was amazing, right,

1097
01:02:49.519 --> 01:02:51.760
And she's just been such a breakout and she becomes

1098
01:02:51.800 --> 01:02:54.599
like the central character of these last couple episodes. But

1099
01:02:54.760 --> 01:02:58.000
phenomenal performance. I mean, she's just absolutely amazing, right, So

1100
01:02:58.079 --> 01:03:00.599
thank you for looking that up. I'm so focused on

1101
01:03:00.679 --> 01:03:04.280
character names and forgetting acronyms right. Anyhow, Claya sounds out

1102
01:03:04.320 --> 01:03:07.239
this melsd for help, right, and it makes it all

1103
01:03:07.239 --> 01:03:09.599
the way back to the rebel headquarters on the Oven, right.

1104
01:03:09.639 --> 01:03:13.159
And so Cassie and k Twu and Melshu they basically said,

1105
01:03:13.159 --> 01:03:15.360
screw orders and all the different regulations, we got to

1106
01:03:15.400 --> 01:03:17.599
go get her because I think more than anyone else

1107
01:03:17.599 --> 01:03:23.000
they appreciate what she and and Luthan did, you know,

1108
01:03:23.199 --> 01:03:28.000
and you know, maybe sometimes like the the up they

1109
01:03:28.079 --> 01:03:30.000
ups and the Rebel Alliance, they want to pretend that,

1110
01:03:30.119 --> 01:03:32.400
you know, there are no Luthens in the world. Right,

1111
01:03:32.400 --> 01:03:34.239
we don't get our hands dirty, but they know that

1112
01:03:34.280 --> 01:03:36.079
they wouldn't be where they were without them, so they

1113
01:03:36.119 --> 01:03:40.159
feel real sense to the go back and find her, right.

1114
01:03:40.360 --> 01:03:43.599
And meanwhile the IB is trying to find her as well.

1115
01:03:44.280 --> 01:03:44.440
Right.

1116
01:03:45.000 --> 01:03:47.920
And at this point, part of Gast is starting to

1117
01:03:47.960 --> 01:03:50.719
do a really freak guy and he basically says he

1118
01:03:50.880 --> 01:03:53.280
kind of follows through it that way. He's been talking about,

1119
01:03:53.719 --> 01:03:56.159
you know, rebellion through the entire series.

1120
01:03:56.280 --> 01:03:56.519
Right.

1121
01:03:57.199 --> 01:03:59.599
He says that she's diseased. That's what they're going to

1122
01:03:59.599 --> 01:04:02.480
tell people, right, because he looks at the rebellion as

1123
01:04:02.519 --> 01:04:05.840
a disease outbreak. He's actually referred to the Empire as

1124
01:04:05.920 --> 01:04:11.159
healthcare providers in terms of justifying their actions. It's crazy.

1125
01:04:11.599 --> 01:04:15.280
So what happens is both Cassian when Cassiane comes back

1126
01:04:15.280 --> 01:04:17.679
to Corroussant with those guys, right, with K two and

1127
01:04:17.719 --> 01:04:20.599
with Melchie. They'll get there at a corousson trying to

1128
01:04:20.840 --> 01:04:23.840
you know, bust out Claya, but the ISB locates her

1129
01:04:23.880 --> 01:04:25.840
at the same time, so it's like this race to

1130
01:04:25.880 --> 01:04:28.000
see who can get to her first. Right, Clay is

1131
01:04:28.039 --> 01:04:31.599
hiding out at the old safe house, right, and everyone's

1132
01:04:31.639 --> 01:04:32.880
you know, coming in there to get her.

1133
01:04:32.960 --> 01:04:33.079
Right.

1134
01:04:33.159 --> 01:04:36.199
ISB sends in the whole Conforce Track tactical team, which

1135
01:04:36.239 --> 01:04:42.199
are crazy like deranged, you know, like juped up you know,

1136
01:04:42.960 --> 01:04:46.880
SWAT troopers, right, and Claya doesn't see herself as being

1137
01:04:46.920 --> 01:04:49.039
heroic at all. I mean she's basically she has to

1138
01:04:49.039 --> 01:04:52.920
almost convince Claya to go to Yabon. And the episode

1139
01:04:53.000 --> 01:04:55.199
ends with K two kind of you know, jumping back

1140
01:04:55.239 --> 01:04:57.880
out of his saying I'm done sitting here in the spaceship.

1141
01:04:57.920 --> 01:05:01.880
I'm going let's go one. Those were that episode two?

1142
01:05:02.519 --> 01:05:05.559
Who else knows that's how that ends so amazing. Let's

1143
01:05:05.599 --> 01:05:08.679
finish this off. Let's go to the last episode, episode twelve,

1144
01:05:09.079 --> 01:05:12.440
called the Jedda Kiber Aeroso, all right, and we had

1145
01:05:12.480 --> 01:05:17.000
this amazing action sequence where K two basically storms into

1146
01:05:17.039 --> 01:05:20.800
the safe house apartment building, right and just nukes the place.

1147
01:05:21.000 --> 01:05:24.119
Just the's like a wrecking crew with the com Forest

1148
01:05:24.119 --> 01:05:26.280
Topical team this comes in there and just you know,

1149
01:05:27.199 --> 01:05:29.320
there are no match for him. At one point, he

1150
01:05:29.360 --> 01:05:31.880
even picks up the main ISP agent uses him as

1151
01:05:31.880 --> 01:05:35.320
a human shield. It is so disturbing, it's just amazing,

1152
01:05:36.440 --> 01:05:40.119
really really great. And back on Yavin, right, we see

1153
01:05:40.119 --> 01:05:42.760
that there's still all this function dysfunction going on throughout

1154
01:05:42.800 --> 01:05:47.400
the rebels, right man, Mathma and Draven and Bail Oregon

1155
01:05:47.480 --> 01:05:49.880
are having this scene we were talking about earlier, right

1156
01:05:49.920 --> 01:05:52.440
with saga Era. Right, you have no idea where I

1157
01:05:52.519 --> 01:05:56.719
am saw just demented? Is he crazy? Has he had

1158
01:05:56.719 --> 01:05:59.800
too much Rideo? What's going on? Right? It's just wild,

1159
01:05:59.800 --> 01:06:02.760
but still this dysfunction, right, and the rebels are kind

1160
01:06:02.760 --> 01:06:09.079
of struggling with the intel that Calsians brought, right, even

1161
01:06:09.119 --> 01:06:11.320
seeming skeptical of it. Right, they don't want to believe

1162
01:06:11.360 --> 01:06:14.360
that the Death Star is real. That what Clay has gone.

1163
01:06:15.760 --> 01:06:20.239
And there's this sense that, you know, the more altruistic rebels,

1164
01:06:20.519 --> 01:06:23.559
like you know, you know, mon Mathma and bail Right,

1165
01:06:23.760 --> 01:06:27.440
maybe they never really fully trusted Luthan, and despite everything

1166
01:06:27.440 --> 01:06:29.239
he did, I think he was maybe not so sure

1167
01:06:29.239 --> 01:06:32.599
about trusting them at some point. So man Mathma asked

1168
01:06:32.679 --> 01:06:35.840
Belsarta to try to sus out of Cassians telling the truth,

1169
01:06:35.840 --> 01:06:37.400
and she's like this again, I'm not going to do that.

1170
01:06:37.480 --> 01:06:39.039
I'm not going to spy on him. I'm just going

1171
01:06:39.119 --> 01:06:41.280
to ask him straight up, right, which is you know,

1172
01:06:41.920 --> 01:06:47.280
I think refreshing right. And then if you remember from

1173
01:06:47.320 --> 01:06:50.039
season one, right, they start playing that one guy's manifesto

1174
01:06:50.199 --> 01:06:52.719
about why you need to be a rebel and why

1175
01:06:52.760 --> 01:06:55.519
the empire is bad, and we see part of Gas

1176
01:06:55.679 --> 01:06:57.800
even listening to it at the isb and he's just

1177
01:06:57.960 --> 01:07:01.079
lamenting the fact that what he considers disease. It just

1178
01:07:01.159 --> 01:07:07.000
keeps spreading, right, and you know, a lonely, isolated failure

1179
01:07:07.760 --> 01:07:10.679
part of Guys takes himself out. He's just like done.

1180
01:07:10.800 --> 01:07:15.599
He just takes the county balls on his sword right

1181
01:07:15.760 --> 01:07:19.719
in isolation and failure. And and then we're basically wrapping

1182
01:07:19.800 --> 01:07:22.800
up the episode with a series of different kind of

1183
01:07:22.840 --> 01:07:25.599
like a montage if you will, right, because we see

1184
01:07:25.599 --> 01:07:28.199
Cassie and leaving the Yavin Bass and we know he's

1185
01:07:28.239 --> 01:07:31.679
heading out to start the mission that will become Rogue one, right,

1186
01:07:31.800 --> 01:07:33.679
and he is getting ready to go and everything's going

1187
01:07:33.719 --> 01:07:37.320
to happen on that movie. Is is how we're sort

1188
01:07:37.320 --> 01:07:39.519
of leaving things at the end OF's episode here, right,

1189
01:07:39.599 --> 01:07:42.159
it's a little bit of a coda. And what's nice

1190
01:07:42.199 --> 01:07:44.840
is you see him pass walk past the force healers

1191
01:07:45.039 --> 01:07:49.360
as he goes out, Right, we see Dedra Miro in

1192
01:07:49.440 --> 01:07:53.960
an imperial prison, right in the same freaking prison, you know,

1193
01:07:54.079 --> 01:07:57.719
pajamas from like Narkina five, like from last season. Right,

1194
01:07:58.280 --> 01:08:01.719
Oh man, she's just like in dens in prison. I

1195
01:08:01.800 --> 01:08:04.800
just can't even believe it, right, it's just nuts. But

1196
01:08:04.920 --> 01:08:07.679
Claya made it out to Yavin, right, and she's got

1197
01:08:07.679 --> 01:08:10.400
a chance to see everything that she and Luthen helped build.

1198
01:08:11.440 --> 01:08:17.640
And you know a famous quote, that amazing Luthen model

1199
01:08:17.960 --> 01:08:20.439
from the end of season one, right where he talks

1200
01:08:20.439 --> 01:08:22.880
about what it is that he has to do, right

1201
01:08:23.039 --> 01:08:31.600
and he's talking about how I'm you know, building he says,

1202
01:08:31.640 --> 01:08:35.239
I'm burning things for a sunrise I will never see, right,

1203
01:08:35.520 --> 01:08:38.520
the idea that you're doing these things, the sacrifices you're

1204
01:08:38.520 --> 01:08:40.640
making in your world right now for a future you

1205
01:08:40.680 --> 01:08:43.800
won't live to see, but you're doing it for the future, right,

1206
01:08:43.880 --> 01:08:48.800
And so the idea of embodying that sunrise and sacrifice. Right.

1207
01:08:48.960 --> 01:08:52.039
We kind of get a final scene there right where

1208
01:08:52.039 --> 01:08:54.279
we're on some other kind of more rural planet and

1209
01:08:54.359 --> 01:08:56.640
we see there's Bis right, and Bix is there with

1210
01:08:56.800 --> 01:08:59.560
the child that she had with Cassie and that we

1211
01:08:59.600 --> 01:09:02.399
don't even thin Cassian may ever know about it, along

1212
01:09:02.439 --> 01:09:05.840
with B two email, who's kind of another person that

1213
01:09:06.039 --> 01:09:08.479
Cassian gathered but then had to move beyond. And yes,

1214
01:09:08.520 --> 01:09:11.680
I just called B two email person between seems like

1215
01:09:11.960 --> 01:09:18.199
something you have so an amazing wrap up, right, phenomenal success.

1216
01:09:18.399 --> 01:09:21.800
I think a little bit of a cammer muted episode

1217
01:09:22.279 --> 01:09:24.800
for the very finale compared to the you know eleven

1218
01:09:24.840 --> 01:09:27.800
and twelve penultimate episodes, which were so full of excitement

1219
01:09:27.880 --> 01:09:33.760
in action, especially the luth And centric episode. I just

1220
01:09:33.840 --> 01:09:37.680
got this television series is phenomenal, uh in every way.

1221
01:09:37.720 --> 01:09:39.479
I mean, you want to talk about like sticking the

1222
01:09:39.560 --> 01:09:43.039
landing amazing? I mean, this is just nothing, nothing to

1223
01:09:43.960 --> 01:09:46.880
carp about here. From my opinion, this is an incredible

1224
01:09:46.920 --> 01:09:52.199
triumph every you know television show. Every now and then

1225
01:09:52.239 --> 01:09:54.319
you get one that comes around, and usually it's like

1226
01:09:54.920 --> 01:09:57.479
probably I don't know, seven to ten year intervals, Right,

1227
01:09:57.560 --> 01:10:00.760
you get a real amazing show that just changes the

1228
01:10:00.760 --> 01:10:03.720
face of television to some degree. Right back in the

1229
01:10:03.800 --> 01:10:06.680
days of like you know, early HBO triumphs like The

1230
01:10:06.720 --> 01:10:11.880
Wire and Sopranos, right, those were shows that change television, right,

1231
01:10:13.159 --> 01:10:17.039
Breaking Bad is a show that changed television, right, same

1232
01:10:17.119 --> 01:10:21.800
kind of deal. And I would strongly argue that I

1233
01:10:21.840 --> 01:10:25.159
think in some ways Rogue One doesn't it too. I mean,

1234
01:10:25.199 --> 01:10:27.600
it took something matter that I think people really had

1235
01:10:27.640 --> 01:10:32.000
these preconceived notions of what Star Wars was going to be, right,

1236
01:10:32.079 --> 01:10:34.319
and it just blew that open and took it to

1237
01:10:34.359 --> 01:10:37.039
a higher level. And I just think it's remarkable what

1238
01:10:37.199 --> 01:10:41.279
happened there, a phenomenal achievement. The only thing that bumps

1239
01:10:41.359 --> 01:10:45.600
me out about it is how much it feels these

1240
01:10:45.720 --> 01:10:50.680
days like the reality we inhabit is so much like

1241
01:10:50.760 --> 01:10:54.520
the reality that's depicted in this TV show, where you

1242
01:10:54.640 --> 01:10:59.880
have people find to retain the last vestiges of their

1243
01:11:00.039 --> 01:11:03.800
freedom and trying to build fight to retain it tomorrow

1244
01:11:03.840 --> 01:11:06.520
for their loved ones in the face of an ever

1245
01:11:06.600 --> 01:11:12.880
expanding autocratic fascist and intentionality, and that is really hard.

1246
01:11:12.920 --> 01:11:18.159
So I'm hoping that this show inspires people to basically

1247
01:11:19.079 --> 01:11:22.119
to learn real lessons about what's happening right now and

1248
01:11:22.159 --> 01:11:28.159
to act well they still can, so phenomenal work. Highest

1249
01:11:28.159 --> 01:11:32.079
possible rating for me. You know, tens across the board

1250
01:11:33.239 --> 01:11:36.359
who would like to fill the void of me shutting

1251
01:11:36.399 --> 01:11:39.119
up here now.

1252
01:11:40.319 --> 01:11:44.720
Well, I'm happy to take over here, Paul, once again,

1253
01:11:44.880 --> 01:11:50.920
a great recap. I think that episodes ten through twelve

1254
01:11:50.960 --> 01:11:54.000
here are probably the best show that I've seen in

1255
01:11:54.000 --> 01:12:01.640
the last ten years. I think the the salient nature

1256
01:12:01.720 --> 01:12:04.239
of it just coming at just the right time is

1257
01:12:04.359 --> 01:12:09.600
almost be cognitive, given that it was written a while

1258
01:12:09.640 --> 01:12:13.199
ago and given kind of where we are right now.

1259
01:12:13.239 --> 01:12:17.159
Just as you were saying, so yeah, I mean, there's

1260
01:12:17.199 --> 01:12:20.319
some specific stuff here from each one of these episodes.

1261
01:12:20.359 --> 01:12:23.840
I mean, I love the beginning of episode ten, the

1262
01:12:23.840 --> 01:12:29.640
whole conversation between Lonnie and Luthan, and you sort of

1263
01:12:29.720 --> 01:12:32.159
feel it the whole time that Lonnie's just not going

1264
01:12:32.239 --> 01:12:34.520
to make it because you know that they have to

1265
01:12:34.600 --> 01:12:39.560
limit who has this knowledge. And one thing that's kind

1266
01:12:39.560 --> 01:12:41.840
of interesting I think too about this is that while

1267
01:12:42.119 --> 01:12:44.840
in one of the later episodes, we get Dedras saying

1268
01:12:44.880 --> 01:12:48.640
the words death Star, which I believe had a code

1269
01:12:48.680 --> 01:12:51.800
name of Project star Dust, which is I was almost

1270
01:12:51.800 --> 01:12:55.399
wondering if Krenik was asking her to say the word

1271
01:12:55.439 --> 01:12:58.239
star dust and she said the word death star or

1272
01:12:58.279 --> 01:13:07.960
words death star dead. But but the Rebellion does still

1273
01:13:08.840 --> 01:13:12.159
doesn't know really what it is, right even all the

1274
01:13:12.199 --> 01:13:15.039
way up until the finale here they know it's a weapon,

1275
01:13:16.000 --> 01:13:19.319
but they don't know that it's a planet destroying weapon.

1276
01:13:19.399 --> 01:13:21.840
They don't know that it's the size of a moon,

1277
01:13:22.000 --> 01:13:24.159
like they just there. There's a lot of kind of

1278
01:13:24.239 --> 01:13:27.000
stuff that we as the watchers know that the Rebellion

1279
01:13:27.079 --> 01:13:30.079
doesn't know at this point that I think kind of

1280
01:13:30.199 --> 01:13:33.159
lends to this sense of tension. And if there's one thing, well,

1281
01:13:33.199 --> 01:13:35.680
there's many things that this show has done absolutely perfectly,

1282
01:13:36.319 --> 01:13:39.079
but that kind of rising sense of tension throughout the

1283
01:13:39.079 --> 01:13:42.000
twelve episodes, I think is one of my favorite things.

1284
01:13:42.840 --> 01:13:45.039
You just never quite know where it's going to go,

1285
01:13:45.880 --> 01:13:49.039
or who's going to get screwed next, Who's you expect

1286
01:13:49.039 --> 01:13:51.520
a game of Thrones type thing, where like major characters

1287
01:13:51.520 --> 01:13:53.920
could die at any moment and you just you just

1288
01:13:53.960 --> 01:13:57.479
don't really know. So I will say my other favorite

1289
01:13:57.520 --> 01:14:01.479
part I guess of episode ten was Luthan's death scene.

1290
01:14:01.640 --> 01:14:04.840
You know, when Claia goes in and you knew that

1291
01:14:04.840 --> 01:14:06.800
that's exactly what she was doing, and you know what's

1292
01:14:06.840 --> 01:14:10.079
coming the entire episode, and yet and yet when she

1293
01:14:10.279 --> 01:14:12.279
goes in and does it, it was just such a

1294
01:14:12.319 --> 01:14:16.680
touching moment. The way that they built that touching moment

1295
01:14:16.760 --> 01:14:20.720
through all of these flashbacks to her past and how

1296
01:14:22.760 --> 01:14:26.520
Luthen found her on his ship when he was a

1297
01:14:26.800 --> 01:14:30.680
military officer essentially, and then you know, it's sort of like,

1298
01:14:31.479 --> 01:14:33.239
I don't know what battle that was that he was

1299
01:14:33.279 --> 01:14:35.800
involved in, but whatever it was, it looked like it

1300
01:14:35.920 --> 01:14:39.239
totally changed his way of thinking about what he was

1301
01:14:39.239 --> 01:14:41.640
doing at the time, and the fact that Claya was

1302
01:14:41.640 --> 01:14:44.079
there as a child was one of the catalysts that

1303
01:14:44.239 --> 01:14:46.960
turned him towards a different way of thinking and turned

1304
01:14:47.000 --> 01:14:50.199
him towards rebellion. So I just that whole like interaction

1305
01:14:50.319 --> 01:14:56.680
I thought was freaking brilliant. It's just really solid. My

1306
01:14:56.720 --> 01:14:59.439
third favorite thing about that episode you already mentioned Paul

1307
01:14:59.640 --> 01:15:03.880
was absolutely the whole gallery situation where Luthen and Dedra

1308
01:15:04.039 --> 01:15:07.199
are are facing off against one another. And as soon

1309
01:15:07.239 --> 01:15:08.840
as he said there are only two things that are

1310
01:15:08.840 --> 01:15:13.279
fake in this gallery, I was like, oh, hell yeah,

1311
01:15:13.479 --> 01:15:19.079
that's just so cool. Okay, So episode eleven, it starts

1312
01:15:19.119 --> 01:15:21.319
really cool. It starts with like the body of this

1313
01:15:21.680 --> 01:15:26.079
dead stormtrooper, so you're immediately taken back to what Claya

1314
01:15:26.159 --> 01:15:28.359
did at the end of episode ten. So there's a

1315
01:15:28.399 --> 01:15:30.920
real great continuity there. In fact, I think each one

1316
01:15:30.960 --> 01:15:33.119
of we talked before about how each one of these

1317
01:15:33.159 --> 01:15:36.279
three episode blocks can kind of function as almost like

1318
01:15:36.319 --> 01:15:39.119
a film, right or an hour and a half long.

1319
01:15:40.520 --> 01:15:45.560
It's completely continued. Yeah, yeah, it's like four little little

1320
01:15:45.560 --> 01:15:48.560
mini movies. And then, of course, as you were mentioning Paul,

1321
01:15:48.600 --> 01:15:52.359
the scene with Krenick and Dedra while she's in prison

1322
01:15:52.399 --> 01:15:53.840
and the finger on the head and all that kind

1323
01:15:53.880 --> 01:15:56.359
of stuff. I love it when he says, uh, you know,

1324
01:15:56.439 --> 01:16:00.600
something like we'll try to go on without you, just

1325
01:16:00.640 --> 01:16:03.920
like you realize how meaningless all of her efforts up

1326
01:16:04.000 --> 01:16:07.600
until this point have been. And that's that's what you get, man,

1327
01:16:07.680 --> 01:16:09.600
That's what you get when you fall in with a

1328
01:16:09.600 --> 01:16:13.479
fascist regime. Is you get that you yourself have absolutely

1329
01:16:13.560 --> 01:16:17.079
no value, not never mind the people they are pressing you.

1330
01:16:17.079 --> 01:16:20.479
Yourself who believe in the cause still have no value.

1331
01:16:20.560 --> 01:16:22.920
And I just think bringing that to the foe and

1332
01:16:23.000 --> 01:16:26.439
kind of like iterating that for people who haven't really

1333
01:16:26.479 --> 01:16:30.960
thought about it that way was was really important. I

1334
01:16:31.000 --> 01:16:32.880
am left with a little bit. So this is the

1335
01:16:32.920 --> 01:16:36.000
episode that's got a little bit more Willman in it.

1336
01:16:36.159 --> 01:16:39.520
It never dealt with his like ride doonium addiction thing,

1337
01:16:39.680 --> 01:16:42.279
or like with the fact that he inhaled the rye donate, right, Am,

1338
01:16:42.319 --> 01:16:43.319
I did I miss it?

1339
01:16:43.880 --> 01:16:46.720
Just basically I think I think my head cannon on

1340
01:16:46.760 --> 01:16:48.680
it to borrow your phrase, right, it's just the fact

1341
01:16:48.680 --> 01:16:51.199
that he left Saw to go to Yavin. I think

1342
01:16:51.239 --> 01:16:52.520
he was just kind of like this is.

1343
01:16:53.000 --> 01:16:55.399
Still tough in the stuff or Willman?

1344
01:16:55.760 --> 01:16:58.119
Yeah, I don't think so. I mean, we don't see

1345
01:16:58.159 --> 01:17:00.960
him do it, so I guess he's not because it's

1346
01:17:01.000 --> 01:17:04.479
just I think that's saws today. Yeah, I think it

1347
01:17:04.600 --> 01:17:06.439
was like a one time thing. I hear take this.

1348
01:17:06.880 --> 01:17:09.199
But he also didn't die when he inhaled it, which

1349
01:17:09.640 --> 01:17:11.479
he supposed to die when you inhale it, right.

1350
01:17:11.399 --> 01:17:13.159
So I think it kind of leaves some mass. It

1351
01:17:13.279 --> 01:17:15.720
just it's very toxic, right, and I think it just

1352
01:17:15.800 --> 01:17:18.800
messes you up pretty badly prolonged exposure. You know, you

1353
01:17:18.880 --> 01:17:21.880
might surbuy one hit, but you know it's like, you know,

1354
01:17:22.119 --> 01:17:26.000
it's questionable you talk about like also, it's like I

1355
01:17:26.319 --> 01:17:28.880
would love to hear you. You know, it's a bit more.

1356
01:17:28.880 --> 01:17:30.720
But it's just like we've been seeing all these just

1357
01:17:30.960 --> 01:17:34.840
ridiculous images of Corrussant, right, and.

1358
01:17:34.880 --> 01:17:36.479
I was going to talk, I've got the architecture on

1359
01:17:36.520 --> 01:17:36.880
my list.

1360
01:17:37.319 --> 01:17:39.000
Thank you.

1361
01:17:39.359 --> 01:17:41.039
I'm gonna go through the three episodes.

1362
01:17:41.600 --> 01:17:44.520
I couldn't believe it blew my mind. Brother.

1363
01:17:44.760 --> 01:17:47.000
Did you want to say something quick, David, I'm going

1364
01:17:47.079 --> 01:17:49.800
to show that, uh, that guy who was bringing in

1365
01:17:49.840 --> 01:17:52.159
that stuff. We did see him limp around quite a bit,

1366
01:17:52.239 --> 01:17:57.920
so like he was recovering from the gas. I'm wondering

1367
01:17:57.920 --> 01:17:59.960
if that might have been what they tried to do

1368
01:18:00.479 --> 01:18:04.319
with the whole getting over and whatnot, Like he waits.

1369
01:18:05.199 --> 01:18:08.840
But okay, two other things that I love about episode

1370
01:18:09.000 --> 01:18:12.880
eleven K two s O, like you get his personality.

1371
01:18:13.399 --> 01:18:15.520
He comes in, he saves the day. He's like he's

1372
01:18:15.560 --> 01:18:17.720
asking all of the questions that we're all asking like

1373
01:18:17.800 --> 01:18:20.239
who are we hiding from? And all those kind of stuff.

1374
01:18:20.239 --> 01:18:23.960
I love how much personality he's got as a droid.

1375
01:18:24.720 --> 01:18:27.640
It is just fantastic. And then the I really loved

1376
01:18:27.680 --> 01:18:32.600
it when there's that very simple scene where here, who's

1377
01:18:32.640 --> 01:18:35.880
the guy who kind of takes over from Dedra hunting

1378
01:18:35.920 --> 01:18:40.000
down Acxis goes to her when she's in prison to

1379
01:18:40.199 --> 01:18:44.840
get advice from her. And what she could have done

1380
01:18:44.880 --> 01:18:47.680
in that moment was been like, screw you, buddy, I

1381
01:18:47.720 --> 01:18:49.960
got nothing for you. But what she does is even

1382
01:18:50.039 --> 01:18:53.800
in prison, she still believes in the cause, and she

1383
01:18:53.920 --> 01:18:56.840
gives him good advice on how to go get the

1384
01:18:57.199 --> 01:19:00.840
the good guys slash you know, bad guys from his perspective.

1385
01:19:00.920 --> 01:19:04.880
So I just I love that scene because it shows

1386
01:19:04.960 --> 01:19:11.880
the desperate nature of belief in fascist ideals.

1387
01:19:12.000 --> 01:19:15.359
You know, she's like krying of it's a bargaining moment, right,

1388
01:19:15.760 --> 01:19:18.520
maybe if I give him somebody, right, they'll reduce my sentence.

1389
01:19:18.560 --> 01:19:21.520
Yeah, which she should know better right there. It's not

1390
01:19:21.560 --> 01:19:24.319
going to mean anything. There's no compassion in that kind

1391
01:19:24.319 --> 01:19:25.680
of a regime.

1392
01:19:25.920 --> 01:19:27.600
Yeah.

1393
01:19:27.760 --> 01:19:31.520
And then and then so that last episode, I agree

1394
01:19:31.720 --> 01:19:33.920
a little more subdued, but I thought that that was

1395
01:19:33.960 --> 01:19:36.399
the perfect ending because then kind of rogue one becomes

1396
01:19:36.439 --> 01:19:38.840
the launching point for the next part of the story.

1397
01:19:40.159 --> 01:19:47.239
I did not expect the Patrick as Portugaz scene, but

1398
01:19:47.359 --> 01:19:50.079
the way that they did it, where they didn't show

1399
01:19:50.199 --> 01:19:53.119
him shooting himself but you hear it, I thought that

1400
01:19:53.239 --> 01:19:57.560
was really classy and a great way to actually bring

1401
01:19:57.600 --> 01:20:02.560
that into the the moment. And then you know, I

1402
01:20:02.640 --> 01:20:04.680
always say that, like a lot of really good science

1403
01:20:04.680 --> 01:20:09.239
fiction kind of ends where it begins, and we get

1404
01:20:09.279 --> 01:20:12.079
the same thing here. Like the last scene we see

1405
01:20:12.439 --> 01:20:15.760
is Bix with the baby and they're on.

1406
01:20:17.199 --> 01:20:18.039
Was it?

1407
01:20:18.079 --> 01:20:20.359
Is it mina Rao? Is that the name of the planet?

1408
01:20:20.600 --> 01:20:20.960
I think the.

1409
01:20:23.199 --> 01:20:25.359
So it's like the fields of wheat, right right where

1410
01:20:25.399 --> 01:20:28.520
we start with season two. We end in the same place,

1411
01:20:28.520 --> 01:20:30.520
and that's where she's gone back to because that's the

1412
01:20:30.520 --> 01:20:33.520
place that she feels comfortable and wants to raise this child.

1413
01:20:34.600 --> 01:20:38.720
I wonder about the kid, and I I have I

1414
01:20:38.760 --> 01:20:41.399
haven't checked the internet yet to see if I'm sure

1415
01:20:41.399 --> 01:20:43.600
there are theories out there about who the kid is.

1416
01:20:43.680 --> 01:20:48.119
My personal theory about it is that this might be

1417
01:20:49.840 --> 01:20:52.840
the guy that we see in the third set of movies.

1418
01:20:55.840 --> 01:20:57.920
Are you drinking the po dam or in kool aid.

1419
01:20:58.119 --> 01:21:00.920
Well, I don't know why wouldn't I is is that

1420
01:21:00.920 --> 01:21:01.479
that's out there.

1421
01:21:02.199 --> 01:21:05.439
I will share something with you that it's it's been

1422
01:21:05.560 --> 01:21:07.960
kind of like crazy. I mean in terms of like

1423
01:21:08.039 --> 01:21:10.640
how this has been. Like I think there is a

1424
01:21:10.680 --> 01:21:16.319
real need amongst folks right to attribute meaning to who

1425
01:21:16.359 --> 01:21:22.039
everyone is, right, Like, uh, you know, oh uh you

1426
01:21:22.079 --> 01:21:25.800
know denner MirOS Cassie and sister from the first season, right,

1427
01:21:26.039 --> 01:21:29.199
they were separated when they were kids, right, or or

1428
01:21:29.279 --> 01:21:33.000
maybe Claya is right, or Luten's an imperial spy and

1429
01:21:33.000 --> 01:21:35.000
and that's you know, it's like you and I were doing,

1430
01:21:35.039 --> 01:21:37.960
like who's Uncle Harlow? Right? And I think there's And

1431
01:21:38.000 --> 01:21:40.079
I think he really just kind of was willing to

1432
01:21:40.079 --> 01:21:42.119
have this thing. He's like, nobody is nobody, nobody has

1433
01:21:42.159 --> 01:21:44.680
connected everything. But a lot of people have been wanting

1434
01:21:44.720 --> 01:21:48.079
to think that Bix's child is podamorates.

1435
01:21:48.279 --> 01:21:54.239
I see, I mean, I want to connect.

1436
01:21:54.279 --> 01:21:57.319
They just want to find those cross pollinations. I think

1437
01:21:57.359 --> 01:22:00.840
gil Roy said, He's like me, I want these to

1438
01:22:00.880 --> 01:22:02.000
be their own people, right.

1439
01:22:02.199 --> 01:22:05.720
Well, I think that's great. I guess the reason that

1440
01:22:05.840 --> 01:22:08.399
I brought it up in this case was that you

1441
01:22:08.680 --> 01:22:13.600
end like babies represent hope, and they decided to end

1442
01:22:13.720 --> 01:22:17.079
and Or with this scene with the baby, and so

1443
01:22:18.199 --> 01:22:21.600
my natural assumption was that that baby had meaning attributed

1444
01:22:21.640 --> 01:22:23.640
to it and it wasn't just some random baby that

1445
01:22:23.720 --> 01:22:26.720
happened to be Cassie and Vix's baby. That that baby

1446
01:22:26.760 --> 01:22:29.960
goes on to do something great for the rebellion. So

1447
01:22:30.640 --> 01:22:33.000
you know, if if that's right or wrong, I don't.

1448
01:22:33.079 --> 01:22:35.560
I don't know, But my my feeling about it was

1449
01:22:35.600 --> 01:22:38.800
that if I was writing this, like that's the way

1450
01:22:38.800 --> 01:22:39.840
I would write it, I would.

1451
01:22:39.800 --> 01:22:41.960
Would or cool new character we haven't met.

1452
01:22:41.840 --> 01:22:44.479
Yet, or cool new character right one way or another,

1453
01:22:44.520 --> 01:22:46.359
the baby represents hope.

1454
01:22:46.680 --> 01:22:49.239
There's somebody out there tomorrow who will get raised to

1455
01:22:49.880 --> 01:22:52.359
fight fight future incursions of fascists.

1456
01:22:52.439 --> 01:22:56.279
Exactly. Okay, So so in summary, I know I've talked

1457
01:22:56.319 --> 01:22:58.439
a lot, but yes, let's talk about the architecture. Just

1458
01:22:58.439 --> 01:23:00.399
a second. I was, I was sitting there why this

1459
01:23:00.640 --> 01:23:04.079
with my wife, and you know, now we're at the

1460
01:23:04.119 --> 01:23:06.600
point right now where we can, like, the first of all,

1461
01:23:06.600 --> 01:23:12.039
the blending of digital and real life is so amazingly seamless,

1462
01:23:12.079 --> 01:23:14.600
it's almost scary. So I would love to know where

1463
01:23:14.600 --> 01:23:17.239
the hospital building is because that, to me was obviously

1464
01:23:17.279 --> 01:23:20.319
a real building, but it was also very clear that

1465
01:23:20.399 --> 01:23:23.439
some of the buildings in the background were digital buildings,

1466
01:23:23.920 --> 01:23:26.760
and you can just like, you know, knowing some basics

1467
01:23:26.760 --> 01:23:29.159
about structures and like what could actually happen and that

1468
01:23:29.199 --> 01:23:31.199
sort of stuff, you could you could see this blending.

1469
01:23:31.840 --> 01:23:34.560
Coruscant is just my favorite planet and almost all of

1470
01:23:34.600 --> 01:23:36.760
science fiction, because the architecture they come up with for

1471
01:23:36.800 --> 01:23:41.920
that for that planet is just absolutely outstanding. I still

1472
01:23:41.920 --> 01:23:44.960
am a little unclear on like how you travel through

1473
01:23:44.960 --> 01:23:47.720
the air, how do people not constantly crash into eating them.

1474
01:23:48.359 --> 01:23:51.680
There's some finer points here, but like the architecture itself

1475
01:23:51.720 --> 01:23:53.720
is really cool. Like there's the one building that they

1476
01:23:53.960 --> 01:23:55.800
that they go to, Oh that is it? One of

1477
01:23:55.840 --> 01:23:58.960
the apartment buildings where like every single balcony has a

1478
01:23:58.960 --> 01:24:02.720
little landing pad for your ship and stuff.

1479
01:24:03.239 --> 01:24:04.920
Kind of like the fifth element almost.

1480
01:24:05.399 --> 01:24:07.439
I just think that that is so cool.

1481
01:24:07.520 --> 01:24:07.800
So I.

1482
01:24:09.279 --> 01:24:12.760
Love watching this show and other Star Wars things just

1483
01:24:12.840 --> 01:24:17.760
for the sheer scale of things and the sheer like amazingness. Which,

1484
01:24:17.800 --> 01:24:20.119
by the way, speaking of scale, not to get off

1485
01:24:20.119 --> 01:24:23.560
topic here, but is it just me or do people

1486
01:24:23.600 --> 01:24:25.840
in the Star Wars Universe do a lot more walking

1487
01:24:26.159 --> 01:24:29.239
than we do in our daily lives, Like we have

1488
01:24:29.359 --> 01:24:32.319
this kind of need to drive from door to door.

1489
01:24:33.119 --> 01:24:35.640
And I just think about how many scenes happened in

1490
01:24:35.720 --> 01:24:39.720
this season alone of people taking walks across these giant

1491
01:24:39.920 --> 01:24:45.039
plazas that are literally like, you know, six Portland blocks long.

1492
01:24:46.840 --> 01:24:50.479
It's just somewhere nobody would ever stand for that in

1493
01:24:50.520 --> 01:24:53.159
the United States, but I think it's hilarious that it's

1494
01:24:53.199 --> 01:24:57.039
really part of this highly technological society that people just

1495
01:24:57.079 --> 01:24:58.880
walk a lot more places than they used to.

1496
01:25:00.000 --> 01:25:02.520
It's a lot of movies and television matter. They do

1497
01:25:02.600 --> 01:25:05.680
it because it just looks cool, right, Well, I think so.

1498
01:25:05.840 --> 01:25:09.000
But but also there's the Star Wars has always had

1499
01:25:09.000 --> 01:25:12.760
this scale thing right where everything is like way beyond

1500
01:25:13.000 --> 01:25:15.800
any reasonable scale, and I think that in order to

1501
01:25:15.840 --> 01:25:20.640
make that believable, you have to have this walking component

1502
01:25:21.039 --> 01:25:23.399
to it, Like you have to have people that don't

1503
01:25:23.399 --> 01:25:29.760
have a car that just goes door to door. So anyway, Yeah,

1504
01:25:30.079 --> 01:25:33.079
just to tie things up, I was saying to you

1505
01:25:33.159 --> 01:25:35.640
guys before the show, I'm not really sure whether I'm

1506
01:25:35.680 --> 01:25:38.439
supposed to like Saw or not like Saw. I'm still

1507
01:25:38.439 --> 01:25:40.479
not entirely sure what he does for the rebellion. I

1508
01:25:40.520 --> 01:25:42.359
know he like picks off some things along the way

1509
01:25:42.399 --> 01:25:45.720
and that sort of stuff. He's probably and I love

1510
01:25:45.760 --> 01:25:48.199
that people love him. I think that's great. I don't

1511
01:25:48.199 --> 01:25:51.199
want to dispairg Anibady that loves Saw. He's probably my

1512
01:25:51.319 --> 01:25:54.079
least favorite character in this show. I just don't like

1513
01:25:54.920 --> 01:25:59.159
identify with him. He I don't know, he just doesn't

1514
01:25:59.159 --> 01:26:03.880
do it for me for whatever reason. So overall, the

1515
01:26:03.920 --> 01:26:09.399
whole second season of Andor I think reminds us of

1516
01:26:09.439 --> 01:26:14.039
sometimes what you have to sacrifice in order to maintain

1517
01:26:14.920 --> 01:26:19.359
the rights that you have. And this is an aspect

1518
01:26:19.399 --> 01:26:22.520
that I think people in Western society, particularly the United States,

1519
01:26:22.520 --> 01:26:25.960
have gotten lazy with because we've had peace, we've had

1520
01:26:26.000 --> 01:26:30.960
reasonable people in charge for a you know, relatively reasonable

1521
01:26:30.960 --> 01:26:33.079
people in charge for a very long time. And now

1522
01:26:33.079 --> 01:26:35.640
we're into this time period when we don't have reasonable

1523
01:26:35.640 --> 01:26:39.399
people in charge, and bad, bad, bad things are happening,

1524
01:26:39.920 --> 01:26:42.640
and at some point there may come a time that

1525
01:26:42.720 --> 01:26:46.800
people have to start sacrificing big, big things to maintain

1526
01:26:46.880 --> 01:26:51.560
things like freedom and liberty and rights and that kind

1527
01:26:51.600 --> 01:26:55.159
of stuff. So to me, and Or is kind of

1528
01:26:55.199 --> 01:26:57.399
like you were saying, Paul that it feels a little

1529
01:26:57.479 --> 01:26:59.520
like scary and that kind of stuff. I totally agree.

1530
01:26:59.640 --> 01:27:04.119
It all also feels hopeful and almost provides a playbook

1531
01:27:04.760 --> 01:27:08.800
on you know what, guys, don't get too complacent, keep

1532
01:27:08.880 --> 01:27:12.000
fighting because if you don't, people are just gonna run

1533
01:27:12.079 --> 01:27:14.359
right over you. And that's kind of that's kind of

1534
01:27:14.399 --> 01:27:20.560
what I take out of season two. So yeah, yeah, anyway, next.

1535
01:27:21.640 --> 01:27:25.399
Well I go here. I like the show. It it's

1536
01:27:25.439 --> 01:27:32.159
definitely shown a lot of potential for making more prequels

1537
01:27:32.239 --> 01:27:36.079
or even sequels. And if your theory of Podamning is correct,

1538
01:27:36.239 --> 01:27:39.000
the shame you know what if there was a backstory

1539
01:27:39.000 --> 01:27:42.840
about him, so on so on. But I thought it

1540
01:27:42.920 --> 01:27:44.840
was a really cool ending the way they did it

1541
01:27:44.880 --> 01:27:48.000
with the whole baby and everything, because that actually made

1542
01:27:49.159 --> 01:27:55.960
Cashieran's backstory a lot more Ah, meaning when you go

1543
01:27:56.000 --> 01:27:58.199
watch World one now it's going to be like, oh,

1544
01:27:58.239 --> 01:28:00.159
he had a baby and you didn't know about it.

1545
01:28:00.239 --> 01:28:02.960
But yeah, still, it's something about it. It is just

1546
01:28:03.039 --> 01:28:06.680
something that as a viewers knowledge, you know, you're like, oh, wow,

1547
01:28:07.199 --> 01:28:12.399
you have a completely different opinion about that particular show. Show. Yeah,

1548
01:28:13.039 --> 01:28:17.560
it's it's just interesting. I like it, and yeah, there's

1549
01:28:17.600 --> 01:28:19.800
just so much stuff that I want to talk about,

1550
01:28:19.840 --> 01:28:22.439
but we're kind of running out of time, assuming But

1551
01:28:22.680 --> 01:28:27.119
other than that, Yeah, sorry for the you know, technical

1552
01:28:27.159 --> 01:28:31.760
difficulty trying to get the screenshots on with you at

1553
01:28:31.800 --> 01:28:33.960
the same time talking about But to me, you know,

1554
01:28:34.079 --> 01:28:36.039
that's just I was told to make it as a

1555
01:28:36.039 --> 01:28:36.880
slight show show.

1556
01:28:36.960 --> 01:28:40.720
You know. It's like it was just following orders.

1557
01:28:41.199 --> 01:28:43.640
Yeah, so for that, I'm not going to play this.

1558
01:28:44.319 --> 01:28:49.399
You didn't see any.

1559
01:28:48.840 --> 01:28:54.880
So yeah, uh but yeah, I don't know. You guys

1560
01:28:54.920 --> 01:28:58.079
are talking about this whole tie in with reality and stuff,

1561
01:28:58.119 --> 01:29:00.359
but when I watched Star Wars or anymore Reach for

1562
01:29:00.399 --> 01:29:03.119
that matter, I like to take myself out of reality

1563
01:29:03.640 --> 01:29:05.920
of what's going on in the world and just watch

1564
01:29:05.960 --> 01:29:07.960
whatever they got going in there, kind of like putting

1565
01:29:07.960 --> 01:29:11.720
myself into a new dimension. So I don't really know

1566
01:29:11.800 --> 01:29:14.760
if it was done on purpose for what's been going on,

1567
01:29:15.439 --> 01:29:17.880
but honestly, I just think it's just the way Star

1568
01:29:17.920 --> 01:29:21.079
Wars has always been, including new hope. You know, there's

1569
01:29:21.119 --> 01:29:24.720
always been fascism, there's always been this kind of hope

1570
01:29:24.760 --> 01:29:27.600
that they rebelling and tried to get to go on

1571
01:29:28.279 --> 01:29:32.720
to destroy the evil. I mean. Yeah, So to me,

1572
01:29:33.119 --> 01:29:37.159
I'm not really political in a sense of like who's

1573
01:29:37.159 --> 01:29:39.880
doing what, what's doing what? You know, both sides of

1574
01:29:39.880 --> 01:29:43.840
the party can make any kind of propaganda or even

1575
01:29:45.199 --> 01:29:50.239
wrong words that you could say. I mean, honestly, I'm sorry,

1576
01:29:50.439 --> 01:29:54.239
but it's I'm just not that political. And honestly, to me,

1577
01:29:54.800 --> 01:29:58.880
this whole thing with Star Wars and what's been going

1578
01:29:58.880 --> 01:30:00.920
on with Star treking with and going on, it's just

1579
01:30:01.359 --> 01:30:04.680
just not me. I don't know. But other than that,

1580
01:30:05.000 --> 01:30:10.520
Uh yeah, and oh, Eric, you mentioned about have you

1581
01:30:10.600 --> 01:30:11.680
seen Rebels?

1582
01:30:12.960 --> 01:30:15.640
Yeah, I know, there's the one episode where he like

1583
01:30:15.800 --> 01:30:19.000
attacks some stuff, right, And I guess, I guess when

1584
01:30:19.039 --> 01:30:22.439
I think of Saw, I think of somebody who's tenacious,

1585
01:30:22.479 --> 01:30:25.720
which I guess is a good character trait. But he's

1586
01:30:25.800 --> 01:30:28.520
just kind of like he's just doing little things here

1587
01:30:28.560 --> 01:30:30.800
and there, which maybe maybe the point is that he's

1588
01:30:30.840 --> 01:30:33.319
not the only Sagerera out there. Maybe there are many

1589
01:30:33.359 --> 01:30:35.359
people out there who are doing these kind of like

1590
01:30:35.439 --> 01:30:38.279
little things that he's doing. Maybe that's the point of

1591
01:30:38.279 --> 01:30:42.680
his character. And I just I haven't identified with him

1592
01:30:42.760 --> 01:30:45.479
up to this point, but I can understand the concept

1593
01:30:45.520 --> 01:30:48.079
of like somebody doing little things along the way that

1594
01:30:48.159 --> 01:30:52.319
really helped cause he's just so belligerent with man and

1595
01:30:52.399 --> 01:30:56.279
it's because of his own pride and distrust, and so

1596
01:30:56.359 --> 01:30:58.439
I don't think those are great character traits, right.

1597
01:30:58.560 --> 01:31:01.399
Yeah, No, well, well, I mean, yes, you're correct that

1598
01:31:01.479 --> 01:31:04.000
there's probably like a lot of more different people out

1599
01:31:04.000 --> 01:31:08.640
there who are basically doing what they can do to

1600
01:31:08.680 --> 01:31:12.199
prevent the Empire from getting bigger. But to me, the

1601
01:31:12.239 --> 01:31:15.279
way I see it is that Sagurera tried to do

1602
01:31:15.359 --> 01:31:19.920
what mon Mathma did but failed, and the loss of

1603
01:31:19.960 --> 01:31:22.199
his sister from I think it was either the rebels

1604
01:31:22.279 --> 01:31:27.159
or the Clone Wars took a lot of pressure on

1605
01:31:27.319 --> 01:31:30.319
him to the point where he just went rogue. And

1606
01:31:30.399 --> 01:31:32.239
he was a part of the rebellion at the time,

1607
01:31:32.439 --> 01:31:36.079
but he just yeah, I mean even I believe in this.

1608
01:31:36.199 --> 01:31:39.239
In this particular episode, at episode twelve here they were

1609
01:31:39.239 --> 01:31:43.079
talking about him about him becoming rogue at one point.

1610
01:31:43.239 --> 01:31:45.640
I can't remember exactly all the compotations they had, but

1611
01:31:45.680 --> 01:31:48.840
I believe that was part of it. But anyways, Ah, yeah,

1612
01:31:48.960 --> 01:31:50.920
this is actually a really fun show. I liked his

1613
01:31:51.000 --> 01:31:53.760
prequel and I can't wait to go right into Rogue

1614
01:31:53.800 --> 01:31:57.079
one after watching it. I tried, but right out of time.

1615
01:31:57.560 --> 01:32:00.680
But other than that if we're giving scores, yeah, I'm

1616
01:32:00.760 --> 01:32:04.000
I'm ten all the way, of course. But of course,

1617
01:32:04.039 --> 01:32:06.760
now since we had lost Charles and Paul had to leave,

1618
01:32:06.800 --> 01:32:08.800
I'm assuming we're not going to bell to really get

1619
01:32:08.840 --> 01:32:09.600
their scores.

1620
01:32:11.199 --> 01:32:14.039
So well, well Charles didn't see it and Paul gave

1621
01:32:14.039 --> 01:32:14.439
it a ten.

1622
01:32:14.600 --> 01:32:18.520
So okay, well you haven't heard from me yet.

1623
01:32:18.880 --> 01:32:20.960
No, go ahead, Jim.

1624
01:32:21.239 --> 01:32:27.720
And I'm always an outlinerer. Huh. You never know so

1625
01:32:28.880 --> 01:32:33.720
what to say? What to say? I love K two

1626
01:32:33.720 --> 01:32:37.039
s O. I think he's awesome. His his scene where

1627
01:32:37.079 --> 01:32:40.800
he where he goes crazy on the imperials is awesome.

1628
01:32:42.279 --> 01:32:48.399
His backstory with Cassie and I thought was great. Myn

1629
01:32:48.560 --> 01:32:52.359
Mothma being brought to Yavin and seeing that whole thing

1630
01:32:52.359 --> 01:32:55.520
and him flying off to make Rogue one, which I

1631
01:32:55.520 --> 01:32:58.279
think is one of my favorite Star Wars movies. It

1632
01:32:58.479 --> 01:33:03.279
was wonderful. But and you know, there's a butt I

1633
01:33:03.319 --> 01:33:06.520
gotta say. I know you guys don't agree, but it's

1634
01:33:06.560 --> 01:33:09.479
my opinion, and you know we're allowed to have different opinions.

1635
01:33:11.119 --> 01:33:15.279
But to me, Star Wars is not James Bond. It's

1636
01:33:15.279 --> 01:33:17.520
not let's sit around and talk and plan and scheme

1637
01:33:17.600 --> 01:33:20.359
and have a thousand characters doing a million different things.

1638
01:33:21.199 --> 01:33:24.119
That's not Star Wars for me. And then I'm sorry,

1639
01:33:24.119 --> 01:33:25.960
but it's not. When I watch Star Wars, I want

1640
01:33:25.960 --> 01:33:29.000
to sit down and relax. I want to see lightsaber Stormtroopers.

1641
01:33:29.399 --> 01:33:31.680
That's what I want to watch Star Wars for. If

1642
01:33:31.720 --> 01:33:35.359
I want deep, intellectual meaning stuff that's ethical, I'll watch

1643
01:33:35.359 --> 01:33:38.239
Star Trek. And to me, that's the difference between the two.

1644
01:33:38.359 --> 01:33:40.479
People always ask you, what do you like better Star

1645
01:33:40.520 --> 01:33:42.039
Wars or Star Trek? What depends what I'm going to

1646
01:33:42.079 --> 01:33:47.439
move for. Star Wars was launched as a popcorn movie,

1647
01:33:47.840 --> 01:33:51.439
a pulp fiction y type of thing. That's what it was,

1648
01:33:51.640 --> 01:33:54.079
and that's what it is to me. If I got

1649
01:33:54.119 --> 01:33:56.159
to sit there and analyze, Well, let me see this

1650
01:33:56.239 --> 01:34:01.000
guy knew that guy, and his mother's aunt was with

1651
01:34:01.119 --> 01:34:03.840
that guy, and they had a meeting with this other guy.

1652
01:34:04.199 --> 01:34:06.640
And there's a hundred characters whose names I can't keep

1653
01:34:06.720 --> 01:34:11.199
straight and really don't have enough interest to that I'm

1654
01:34:11.239 --> 01:34:15.359
just not really compelled to care. And that's how I

1655
01:34:15.399 --> 01:34:18.399
felt about and Or. It got really really good last

1656
01:34:18.439 --> 01:34:21.680
week when we finally got to see the massacre at Gorham,

1657
01:34:24.000 --> 01:34:26.720
but then it went right back into the sneaking, talking,

1658
01:34:27.199 --> 01:34:32.560
spying stuff, which I'm not really into. So yeah, I mean,

1659
01:34:32.640 --> 01:34:35.560
I'm hearing everyone talking about how great and Or is

1660
01:34:35.560 --> 01:34:38.680
and it's the greatest Star Wars ever. I don't agree

1661
01:34:38.720 --> 01:34:44.560
with that. Rogue one. Yeah, I love Rogue one. It's awesome.

1662
01:34:45.479 --> 01:34:48.039
Did we need and Or to set up Rogue one?

1663
01:34:49.319 --> 01:34:51.800
I don't feel that we did. I just went back

1664
01:34:51.800 --> 01:34:54.640
and watched Rogue one, and I hear everybody talking on

1665
01:34:54.680 --> 01:34:57.319
the YouTube and on the Internet about how Rogue one

1666
01:34:57.319 --> 01:35:01.039
has been forever changed by what happened in Andor. I

1667
01:35:01.079 --> 01:35:03.800
didn't see any changes. I mean, maybe it's because I

1668
01:35:03.840 --> 01:35:07.279
didn't really care for and Or, but I watched Rogue

1669
01:35:07.319 --> 01:35:11.000
one and it's Rogue one. I'm not looking at it

1670
01:35:11.000 --> 01:35:14.479
and saying, oh, well, you know, Cassie and killed the

1671
01:35:14.520 --> 01:35:18.439
guy in the alley because he killed the soldier that

1672
01:35:18.840 --> 01:35:21.840
in front of BIS, or anything like that. You know.

1673
01:35:21.880 --> 01:35:24.199
I think I think you can read into what you

1674
01:35:24.199 --> 01:35:25.760
want to read into, and if you want to read

1675
01:35:25.800 --> 01:35:29.199
into it, you'll see it. If you don't, then you won't.

1676
01:35:29.359 --> 01:35:32.279
And I don't think that you necessarily have to watch

1677
01:35:32.279 --> 01:35:36.600
and Or to love Rogue one. Rogue one stood perfectly

1678
01:35:36.640 --> 01:35:39.800
fine on its own and it still stands perfectly fine

1679
01:35:40.399 --> 01:35:44.359
on its own. So I didn't love and Or as

1680
01:35:44.399 --> 01:35:46.840
much as you guys did, and I apologize for that.

1681
01:35:47.960 --> 01:35:54.479
But yeah, I can't give it a ten. I don't

1682
01:35:54.479 --> 01:36:00.880
know A see. Maybe I gotta throw it decimal in there.

1683
01:36:02.560 --> 01:36:05.920
I know Paul's not here, but I'm thinking maybe six

1684
01:36:05.960 --> 01:36:06.479
point eight.

1685
01:36:07.000 --> 01:36:09.640
Maybe I'm doing the math.

1686
01:36:10.000 --> 01:36:14.399
You know, I love K two s so and I

1687
01:36:14.399 --> 01:36:17.359
thought it was good. So was it necessary? Let me

1688
01:36:17.359 --> 01:36:19.319
have Was it necessary? Yeah? There? There she is with

1689
01:36:19.359 --> 01:36:28.479
the baby. Was it necessary to see the relationship between uh,

1690
01:36:29.039 --> 01:36:32.279
the girl and the guy that started the rebellion? Guy,

1691
01:36:32.359 --> 01:36:36.439
the guy that got killed? What was his name? Was it?

1692
01:36:36.560 --> 01:36:39.000
Did we need to see that backstory? Did that add

1693
01:36:39.039 --> 01:36:47.279
anything to anything? Really? In my opinion, it didn't. You know,

1694
01:36:48.600 --> 01:36:51.960
she goes to Yavin, but but who is she did?

1695
01:36:52.079 --> 01:36:55.279
What was she relevant? Was she one of Princess Leiah's aide?

1696
01:36:55.399 --> 01:36:58.399
Did she put gas in Luke Skywalker's X wing on?

1697
01:36:58.479 --> 01:37:03.119
What was her purpose of the whole? She went to Yavin? Okay, cool,

1698
01:37:03.520 --> 01:37:06.600
But I don't know. I think there was a lot

1699
01:37:06.680 --> 01:37:09.560
of things in it that didn't necessarily have to be there,

1700
01:37:09.600 --> 01:37:14.439
that didn't really move the story ahead. So that's why

1701
01:37:14.479 --> 01:37:15.920
I'm only giving it a six point eight.

1702
01:37:17.199 --> 01:37:19.800
So right on, well, out of the four guys, then

1703
01:37:19.880 --> 01:37:24.000
that gives us a average Trexpert score of nine point two.

1704
01:37:24.600 --> 01:37:26.640
Well, okay, so that's that's still reasonable.

1705
01:37:27.359 --> 01:37:29.560
Yeah, And the answer to your question is that they

1706
01:37:29.600 --> 01:37:33.079
needed to show Claya's backstory to really bring meaning to

1707
01:37:33.319 --> 01:37:37.840
her killing off Luthan. And she also her main purpose

1708
01:37:37.960 --> 01:37:40.840
was that she was the one who actually delivered the

1709
01:37:40.880 --> 01:37:44.800
information about there being an imperial weapon to the rebellion

1710
01:37:44.920 --> 01:37:45.760
through Cassian.

1711
01:37:46.960 --> 01:37:47.840
Yeah, I got that.

1712
01:37:48.920 --> 01:37:52.680
I got that, But I mean that's her purpose.

1713
01:37:53.840 --> 01:37:57.039
Yeah, that was her purpose in the right, But it

1714
01:37:57.079 --> 01:38:03.319
doesn't really change anything in my opinion. She had to

1715
01:38:03.399 --> 01:38:07.199
kill them. We already knew they had a relationship. But

1716
01:38:07.880 --> 01:38:11.399
so what time is it, I don't know what time

1717
01:38:11.479 --> 01:38:12.199
is it?

1718
01:38:12.359 --> 01:38:15.479
Six nine? I think we should go right to news personally,

1719
01:38:15.520 --> 01:38:16.600
but that's my Okay.

1720
01:38:16.640 --> 01:38:19.279
Well, there's a couple of birthdays that I definitely think

1721
01:38:19.279 --> 01:38:23.840
are worth touching on, especially in the remembrances. There's a

1722
01:38:23.880 --> 01:38:27.159
couple in there. One, two, there's Yeah, there's a few

1723
01:38:27.199 --> 01:38:29.359
of them in there that I think are worth mentioning.

1724
01:38:29.800 --> 01:38:32.640
And I think I think that Eric will find them

1725
01:38:32.680 --> 01:38:37.720
in a hurry. Number three, for instance, on your list,

1726
01:38:37.920 --> 01:38:39.560
I think we should definitely talk about.

1727
01:38:39.600 --> 01:38:41.399
Oh yeah, this is much more than was on the

1728
01:38:41.439 --> 01:38:43.159
list a day ago when I did my.

1729
01:38:43.680 --> 01:38:46.399
So let me play our birthday theme and we'll we'll

1730
01:38:46.520 --> 01:38:49.000
jump around on this list so that we can get

1731
01:38:49.039 --> 01:39:10.560
to the birthdays. So here's our birthday theme that was

1732
01:39:10.600 --> 01:39:13.840
not a clue on song, Yes war if we know. So.

1733
01:39:14.159 --> 01:39:15.960
We like to do our Star Trek birthdays and every

1734
01:39:15.960 --> 01:39:18.680
week we start off with our Star Trek members of

1735
01:39:18.680 --> 01:39:20.760
our family who are no longer with us, sadly enough.

1736
01:39:20.800 --> 01:39:23.399
And we turned to Eric. Now we have a we

1737
01:39:23.479 --> 01:39:26.199
have a long list here. We talked a little bit

1738
01:39:26.199 --> 01:39:29.199
about Star Wars a little bit longer, and man, we've

1739
01:39:29.199 --> 01:39:33.880
had gremlins tonight on this podcast. It's been absolutely crazy tonight.

1740
01:39:34.199 --> 01:39:37.640
I just don't know, So, I you know, I think

1741
01:39:37.680 --> 01:39:41.319
we should definitely do number three, would you agree, Eric?

1742
01:39:43.239 --> 01:39:43.479
Sure?

1743
01:39:43.920 --> 01:39:44.880
Yeah?

1744
01:39:44.920 --> 01:39:46.880
And uh number five.

1745
01:39:48.119 --> 01:39:48.439
Okay?

1746
01:39:49.079 --> 01:39:52.560
And uh yeah, number five.

1747
01:39:53.319 --> 01:39:54.640
I mean, I'll just I'll just read through all the

1748
01:39:55.239 --> 01:39:58.319
number two expand on any of them, but I'll just

1749
01:39:58.319 --> 01:40:01.199
read through all of them. So, so this week we

1750
01:40:01.279 --> 01:40:06.359
remember actor Lloyd Keino, who passed away in twenty twelve,

1751
01:40:06.439 --> 01:40:09.600
he played Wu in the Star Trek episode The Omega Glory.

1752
01:40:10.880 --> 01:40:14.680
Also remembering Barry Atwater, the American actor who originated the

1753
01:40:14.720 --> 01:40:18.600
role of Surak in the TOS third season episode The

1754
01:40:18.680 --> 01:40:24.319
Savage Curtain. Also remembering Yvonne Craig, the actress and former

1755
01:40:24.439 --> 01:40:27.800
ballerina who played Marta in the TOS third season episode

1756
01:40:27.840 --> 01:40:32.000
Whom Gods Destroy But of course most famous and thank

1757
01:40:32.039 --> 01:40:34.960
you for putting this picture up, David, most famous for

1758
01:40:35.079 --> 01:40:38.199
her role as bad Girl in the nineteen sixty seven

1759
01:40:38.239 --> 01:40:43.199
to nineteen sixty eight television serial Batman. One of my

1760
01:40:43.399 --> 01:40:46.760
great joys of childhood. Yvonne Craig, I love you so

1761
01:40:46.960 --> 01:40:50.680
much and thank you for contributing to Star Trek as well.

1762
01:40:51.199 --> 01:40:53.640
Happy Birthday as well to Liam Sullivan, the actor who

1763
01:40:53.640 --> 01:40:57.960
played Parmen in the TOS third season episode Plato's step.

1764
01:40:57.760 --> 01:41:00.680
Children excellent episode.

1765
01:41:00.359 --> 01:41:05.840
Absolutely Happy Birthday, as well to actor Andreas Katsulest, best

1766
01:41:05.880 --> 01:41:08.600
known for playing the recurring character of the Romulan commander

1767
01:41:08.680 --> 01:41:13.199
Tomoloch on TG. He also played the Visian Captain Drennick

1768
01:41:13.439 --> 01:41:17.000
in the Enterprise second season episode co Jenitor. I don't

1769
01:41:17.039 --> 01:41:19.319
have the quote handy for me here but I remember

1770
01:41:19.359 --> 01:41:22.520
him giving this quote about how it was a very

1771
01:41:22.520 --> 01:41:25.600
interesting character to play because you always see him this close.

1772
01:41:25.800 --> 01:41:27.520
You could see on the video here how you see

1773
01:41:27.560 --> 01:41:31.159
his face is literally you never see Tomolok's body. You

1774
01:41:31.239 --> 01:41:35.319
only see his giant face on a monitor. So kind

1775
01:41:35.319 --> 01:41:40.760
of interesting. Happy Birthday as well to actress Elizabeth Rodgers.

1776
01:41:41.199 --> 01:41:43.880
She is the person who played Lieutenant Palmer in the

1777
01:41:43.880 --> 01:41:47.760
TOS second and third season episodes The Doomsday Machine and

1778
01:41:47.800 --> 01:41:50.920
The Way to Eden. Happy Birthday, Happy Birthday, as well

1779
01:41:50.960 --> 01:41:54.720
to Jim Goodwin, who played Lieutenant John Farrell in the

1780
01:41:54.760 --> 01:41:59.920
TOS first season episodes MUD's Women, The Enemy Within, Fantastic

1781
01:42:00.399 --> 01:42:04.479
and Mary. Happy Birthday, as well to Booker Bradshaw, the

1782
01:42:04.520 --> 01:42:07.880
actor who played doctor m Benga, the Og in the

1783
01:42:07.960 --> 01:42:11.720
Star Trek Original Series second and third season episodes A

1784
01:42:11.720 --> 01:42:15.399
Private Little War and That Which Survives. I think that

1785
01:42:15.560 --> 01:42:18.279
is one of my favorite characters that they brought back,

1786
01:42:18.720 --> 01:42:21.079
and of course are exploring in much more detail and

1787
01:42:21.119 --> 01:42:24.720
strange new worlds. But Booker Bradshaw was the original em Benga.

1788
01:42:24.800 --> 01:42:28.479
Happy Birthday to him. Happy Birthday as well to Paul Winfield,

1789
01:42:28.479 --> 01:42:31.359
the actor who played Clark Terrell in Star Trek two,

1790
01:42:31.479 --> 01:42:35.520
The Wrath of Kahn and Daython in the TNG fifth

1791
01:42:35.520 --> 01:42:40.439
season episode Darmock. What a fantastic episode. People still just

1792
01:42:40.479 --> 01:42:42.640
talk about that episode all the time. One of the

1793
01:42:42.680 --> 01:42:48.520
best TNG episodes out there. And unfortunately, you know, Clark

1794
01:42:48.560 --> 01:42:50.920
Terrell got the little the little worm in his ear.

1795
01:42:51.000 --> 01:42:53.359
That was kind of kind of gross. But Paul Winfield

1796
01:42:53.359 --> 01:42:55.119
did a great job with all that stuff. We lost

1797
01:42:55.199 --> 01:42:56.680
him all the way back in two thousand and four.

1798
01:42:56.680 --> 01:42:58.359
Hard to believe it's been twenty years already.

1799
01:42:58.640 --> 01:42:59.000
Wow.

1800
01:42:59.159 --> 01:43:02.119
And last but not happy birthday to David Hillary Hughes,

1801
01:43:02.640 --> 01:43:06.359
the American actor with only four television and movie appearances,

1802
01:43:06.479 --> 01:43:10.640
but for Star Trek. He played Trefane in the TOS

1803
01:43:10.720 --> 01:43:14.399
first season episode Errand of Mercy, And that, you guys,

1804
01:43:14.439 --> 01:43:18.000
does it for our remembrances. Shall we continue with all

1805
01:43:18.000 --> 01:43:18.960
of the regular birthdays?

1806
01:43:19.039 --> 01:43:21.680
Jim, Yeah, I'll jump in. I'll cover Charles and you

1807
01:43:21.680 --> 01:43:22.399
can cover Paul.

1808
01:43:22.439 --> 01:43:23.760
How's that sounds great?

1809
01:43:24.239 --> 01:43:27.039
So for Charles who's having technical difficulties and had to

1810
01:43:27.119 --> 01:43:29.199
leave us early, I know you guys find that hard

1811
01:43:29.199 --> 01:43:33.279
to believe, but honestly, we never have technical difficulties of

1812
01:43:33.319 --> 01:43:36.960
this magnitude on this podcast before. We had a little

1813
01:43:36.960 --> 01:43:42.159
bit of a technical difficulty when we talked with Nick Myers,

1814
01:43:42.720 --> 01:43:46.239
but we resolved that quick. We've never had ongoing difficulties

1815
01:43:46.279 --> 01:43:49.399
like this before, so I apologize for that and hopefully

1816
01:43:49.520 --> 01:43:52.520
we'll get them all ironed out by next week. So

1817
01:43:52.800 --> 01:43:55.199
on Charles's list, we want to say happy birthday to

1818
01:43:55.239 --> 01:43:58.920
Brenda Bake. She's the actress from Kimath falls Ore again

1819
01:43:59.560 --> 01:44:03.000
who played the role of Rhythm in the Star Trek

1820
01:44:03.000 --> 01:44:05.640
The Next Generation first season episode Justice, and there she is.

1821
01:44:05.680 --> 01:44:07.680
We talked about her a little bit last week, right

1822
01:44:08.319 --> 01:44:11.319
with those funky clothes that they wear running around everywhere.

1823
01:44:11.680 --> 01:44:15.399
So happy birthdays the male pants which are really bad.

1824
01:44:17.479 --> 01:44:21.119
Yes, yes. And we also want to say happy birthday

1825
01:44:21.319 --> 01:44:24.439
to Gina Rivera, the actors who played Tyler in the

1826
01:44:24.479 --> 01:44:28.760
TNG seven season episode Fantasms and there she is on

1827
01:44:28.800 --> 01:44:33.039
the screen right now. And happy birthday to Constance Towers.

1828
01:44:33.479 --> 01:44:35.720
She's the actress who played the role of tax Co

1829
01:44:36.399 --> 01:44:40.920
in the DS nine first season episode The Forsaken. And

1830
01:44:41.479 --> 01:44:44.640
last I gave this one to Charles. On Charles's list

1831
01:44:45.159 --> 01:44:48.199
is John Billingsley, and you guys all know and love

1832
01:44:48.279 --> 01:44:52.359
him as doctor Flox from Star Trek Enterprise. He also

1833
01:44:52.479 --> 01:44:54.840
was in one of my all time favorite shows. I

1834
01:44:54.880 --> 01:44:57.960
never missed an episode of The Orville, one of the best.

1835
01:44:58.800 --> 01:45:01.319
And I'm so glad you said that out loud, Jim.

1836
01:45:02.079 --> 01:45:03.720
I had to throw that in there just for you.

1837
01:45:04.760 --> 01:45:08.479
Trueblood the X Files. He's been around quite a bit,

1838
01:45:08.520 --> 01:45:10.760
but we all know and love him as Doctor Flox

1839
01:45:11.079 --> 01:45:14.279
from Star Trek Enterprise. Happy birthday to John Billings Leader

1840
01:45:14.600 --> 01:45:17.600
and I will turn this over to Eric so he

1841
01:45:17.600 --> 01:45:19.399
could do some living people.

1842
01:45:19.560 --> 01:45:23.840
Some living birthdays. Happy birthday and much congratulations to Riley

1843
01:45:24.000 --> 01:45:27.960
Alas Rocky, the child actress who voiced rock Talk in

1844
01:45:28.079 --> 01:45:30.479
Star Trek Prodigy. And I will tell you, guys, I

1845
01:45:30.479 --> 01:45:33.600
think we are all in love with this show and

1846
01:45:34.000 --> 01:45:36.680
Riley did such a great job with this character. Rock

1847
01:45:36.720 --> 01:45:39.399
Talk is just such a gem of the show and

1848
01:45:39.479 --> 01:45:42.239
if you haven't seen Star Trek Prodigy yet, you absolutely

1849
01:45:42.319 --> 01:45:44.039
need to check it out and check out this character

1850
01:45:44.119 --> 01:45:48.279
in particular. Happy birthday to Riley alas Rocky. Happy birthday

1851
01:45:48.279 --> 01:45:51.199
as well to Jennifer Nash, the actress who played Marrabor

1852
01:45:51.399 --> 01:45:54.399
in the Next Generation fifth season episode The Inner Light,

1853
01:45:54.640 --> 01:45:58.239
another one of those best ever episodes of Next Generation.

1854
01:45:59.239 --> 01:46:04.319
Happy birthday to Anthony Zerbie, the Emmy Award winning American

1855
01:46:04.359 --> 01:46:07.840
actor who played Dougherty in Star Trek Insurrection. And we

1856
01:46:08.159 --> 01:46:10.920
just talked about him a couple of shows ago when

1857
01:46:10.960 --> 01:46:14.560
we talked about Star Trek admirals, and I think he

1858
01:46:14.600 --> 01:46:19.960
fell squarely into the category of evil admirals. So congratulations, Anthony,

1859
01:46:20.640 --> 01:46:22.880
you are one of the most evil admirals in Star

1860
01:46:22.960 --> 01:46:26.319
Trek and everybody knows he did. He got a nasty

1861
01:46:26.319 --> 01:46:29.760
face stretching and that could not have been comfortable. Happy

1862
01:46:29.800 --> 01:46:33.039
birthday as well to Gail Strickland, the actress who played

1863
01:46:33.159 --> 01:46:38.279
Alexis in the DS nine second season episode Paradise. Happy

1864
01:46:38.319 --> 01:46:42.039
birthday to Ben Lemon, who played Jev in the Next

1865
01:46:42.079 --> 01:46:44.760
Generation fifth season episode Violations.

1866
01:46:45.159 --> 01:46:46.800
He was a creepy dude.

1867
01:46:46.920 --> 01:46:51.720
Huh, he was a super creepy dude. That is well,

1868
01:46:52.119 --> 01:46:54.039
it's well titled.

1869
01:46:56.199 --> 01:46:58.000
Right there, says I'm a creepy.

1870
01:46:57.720 --> 01:47:01.079
Dude evil telepathways.

1871
01:47:01.399 --> 01:47:07.920
Yes, and last on my list. Happy birthday to Shirley Bond,

1872
01:47:07.920 --> 01:47:10.680
the actress who appeared as Ruth in the TuS first

1873
01:47:10.680 --> 01:47:14.279
season episode Surely even I'll pass this birthday candle over

1874
01:47:14.319 --> 01:47:14.880
to Gym.

1875
01:47:15.359 --> 01:47:17.640
I don't have I don't have very I don't have

1876
01:47:17.640 --> 01:47:21.560
any Klingons this week, so I usually take the Klingons

1877
01:47:21.560 --> 01:47:24.640
and give everybody else to Eric and Charles, but I

1878
01:47:24.640 --> 01:47:26.399
did have to take this first one. I was thinking

1879
01:47:26.439 --> 01:47:29.319
about giving her to Charles because Charles loves Start Trek four,

1880
01:47:29.399 --> 01:47:32.880
but I'm a Go Gos fan, and so I took

1881
01:47:32.920 --> 01:47:36.079
this one. So we want to say happy birthday to Jeane.

1882
01:47:36.760 --> 01:47:38.720
Jane Wheedland. And if you don't know who that is,

1883
01:47:39.800 --> 01:47:44.079
she's a musician and actress who played Treole in Star

1884
01:47:44.159 --> 01:47:47.000
Trek four The Voyage Home, but she's best known as

1885
01:47:47.000 --> 01:47:50.560
being the rhythm guitarist for the nineteen eighties Go Gos.

1886
01:47:50.720 --> 01:47:53.520
She's got the beat and her lips are sealed and

1887
01:47:53.560 --> 01:47:57.319
there she is on the screen. Man, I love the

1888
01:47:57.359 --> 01:48:00.000
Go Gos and so I had to take her for myself.

1889
01:48:00.119 --> 01:48:04.840
So Happy Birthday to Jane Weedland. This next one from

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Star Trek Discovery had the opportunity of meeting him down

1891
01:48:07.560 --> 01:48:11.560
at Trek Long Island a couple of years ago. It

1892
01:48:11.600 --> 01:48:14.479
was his birthday and when he came into the ballroom,

1893
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everybody's saying happy birthday to him, and he was so cool.

1894
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He walked around, he talked to all the fans. He

1895
01:48:20.680 --> 01:48:25.920
shook everybody's hand. He was a genuinely awesome person to me.

1896
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And of course we want to say happy birthday to

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David Ajala. He's the English actor who played Cleveland Booker

1898
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on Star Trek Discoveries third through fifth season. Happy birthday

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01:48:37.279 --> 01:48:40.319
to David Agiala. We also want to say happy.

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Birth Yeah, did do do do do? Did did do?

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Oh?

1902
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And now La is attacking Jim's Jim's losing it. First

1903
01:48:55.600 --> 01:48:58.640
we had the family attack. Now we've got the dog

1904
01:48:58.680 --> 01:48:59.239
attack on.

1905
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I'm trying to I'm trying to get my dog to

1906
01:49:03.960 --> 01:49:06.119
I knew she was gonna jump on me, but and

1907
01:49:06.199 --> 01:49:08.079
she just she did, so I was trying to get

1908
01:49:08.079 --> 01:49:12.600
her to stop. Sorry, guys, that's my dog, Leah. So

1909
01:49:12.840 --> 01:49:15.680
we want to say Happy birthday to Matt McCoy. He's

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01:49:15.720 --> 01:49:19.000
the actor who portrayed Devonannie Rawl in the third season

1911
01:49:19.039 --> 01:49:21.960
episode of TNG The Price. Another one of those kind of.

1912
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Creepy, super creepy.

1913
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Yeah, I was gonna telepathically rape you. He was freaky.

1914
01:49:28.920 --> 01:49:31.479
But I remember him from Police Academy. You guys remember

1915
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all those movies from the early eighties.

1916
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He was trying to remember five or so five and six.

1917
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I definitely saw one through three for sure, but yeah.

1918
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Yep, he was in Police Academy. And last, but not least,

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I had to take this one because so we want

1920
01:49:46.279 --> 01:49:49.479
to say happy birthday to Anne Cusack. She's the actress

1921
01:49:49.479 --> 01:49:52.319
and singer who played Maggie in the Star Trek Enterprise

1922
01:49:52.359 --> 01:49:55.640
second season episode Carbon Creek. And if you haven't seen

1923
01:49:55.640 --> 01:49:58.560
this episode, what are you waiting for? Go watch it

1924
01:49:58.640 --> 01:50:02.279
right now. If you're one of those people who doesn't

1925
01:50:02.319 --> 01:50:07.760
watch Enterprise because for whatever reason, you're doing yourself a

1926
01:50:07.760 --> 01:50:12.880
big injustice, particularly this episode Carbon Creek. Please I implore

1927
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you to go and watch it. You will not be disappointed.

1928
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And with that, guys, that wraps up all of our

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Star Trek birthdays. And now we're going to dive into

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some Star Trek news. Maybe Eric, maybe we should come

1931
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up with a different Star Trek News intro at some point.

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Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on Secure channel.

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Incoming transmission enter authorization code, command codes verified, Define parameters

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of program.

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Level nine authorization required.

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Specifying parameters.

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Transfer updata is complete.

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A blank alert, blank alert.

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Yeah you know when when my cat Anakin comes in

1940
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here and Laya chases Anakin. That's usually what happens, so

1941
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I try to keep Anakin out of the studio, but

1942
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he crept in here lay As and that was it.

1943
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No warr erupted, all right, guys, So I've got our

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01:51:08.840 --> 01:51:12.880
first story. Star Trek's Strange New world Season three finally

1945
01:51:12.920 --> 01:51:18.720
sets a twenty twenty five premiere day. Say Lord set

1946
01:51:18.760 --> 01:51:21.079
a course for fun. Star Trek's Strange New Worlds is

1947
01:51:21.119 --> 01:51:24.000
finally set at season three premiere date, marking one of

1948
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the most hotly anticipated seasons of any Trek show in sometime.

1949
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Strange New World's will return on July seventeenth, that's a

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Thursday on Paramount Plus with two episodes. They're going to

1951
01:51:36.560 --> 01:51:40.479
play the finale of the of the Gorn episode and

1952
01:51:40.520 --> 01:51:42.760
then the first episode of the new season, So we'll

1953
01:51:42.760 --> 01:51:45.720
see two episodes that first night, which just means we're

1954
01:51:45.720 --> 01:51:48.039
gonna have to cram a lot into the podcast, but

1955
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we can do it, and weekly episodes rolling out after that.

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When we last saw the crew of the Enterprise, the

1957
01:51:54.319 --> 01:51:57.960
Federation starship was being swarmed by a Gorn fleet. It

1958
01:51:58.159 --> 01:52:00.720
didn't look good, but we know from all the many

1959
01:52:00.760 --> 01:52:04.119
clips that we've seen released on season three, they're gonna

1960
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make it as well as you know Star Trek History

1961
01:52:07.079 --> 01:52:09.960
as the prequel series, the Enterprise survives and all sorts

1962
01:52:09.960 --> 01:52:13.039
of shenanigans are ahead. It appears the entire crew is

1963
01:52:13.039 --> 01:52:16.359
turned into Balkans at one point. There's even an Agatha

1964
01:52:16.439 --> 01:52:19.960
Christy style who done an episode which Jonathan Frakes directed,

1965
01:52:20.920 --> 01:52:24.479
recalling the Dixon Hill Halideck adventures. On the Next Generation.

1966
01:52:25.039 --> 01:52:27.720
There's also a rom com episode and one where their

1967
01:52:27.760 --> 01:52:32.279
characters are transformed into the fashions of sixties original series.

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So we've got a lot to look forward on July

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seventeenth on Strange New Worlds. It'll be glad to have

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it that and Eric, you've got a new story for

1971
01:52:40.720 --> 01:52:41.680
us as well.

1972
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I do, and I'm excited about this when a new

1973
01:52:44.319 --> 01:52:49.479
Star Trek series is being developed. The series, titled Star

1974
01:52:49.560 --> 01:52:53.800
Trek Starfleet Scouts, appears to be a family friendly project.

1975
01:52:54.319 --> 01:52:56.840
You may be thinking of the Paramount Plus Star Trek

1976
01:52:56.920 --> 01:53:00.520
Prodigy series, which was a franchise first for time targeting

1977
01:53:00.600 --> 01:53:04.239
a younger audience. However, this new Star Trek series seems

1978
01:53:04.239 --> 01:53:08.119
to be a children's animated digital short show that will

1979
01:53:08.159 --> 01:53:11.720
air on YouTube for kids based on casting information. The

1980
01:53:11.760 --> 01:53:14.560
new animated series will focus on three eight to nine

1981
01:53:14.640 --> 01:53:16.920
year old friends as they go to school on an

1982
01:53:16.960 --> 01:53:20.680
earthlike planet. The series will follow their adventures as they

1983
01:53:20.720 --> 01:53:25.119
train to become future Starfleet Explorers. This information seems like

1984
01:53:25.159 --> 01:53:29.560
a step before Starfleet Academy. The characters of Starfleet Scouts

1985
01:53:29.560 --> 01:53:34.159
are described as cool, funny, heroic, and authentic. While the

1986
01:53:34.159 --> 01:53:38.000
target audience is preschoolers or a family friendly environment, positioning

1987
01:53:38.000 --> 01:53:41.920
it on YouTube is a fantastic opportunity. More and more

1988
01:53:41.960 --> 01:53:45.479
people watch YouTube every day as their primary entertainment source,

1989
01:53:45.600 --> 01:53:49.279
especially younger people. A dedicated short series could appeal to

1990
01:53:49.319 --> 01:53:54.199
a new untapped audience in hopes of reinvigorating the fan base,

1991
01:53:54.359 --> 01:53:57.520
or I would say keeping to invigorate the fan base

1992
01:53:57.680 --> 01:54:01.680
or growing the fan base, because I think if you

1993
01:54:01.760 --> 01:54:07.039
bring Star Trek to the younglings, they will find good

1994
01:54:07.039 --> 01:54:09.720
things come to their lives throughout their entire li right

1995
01:54:09.760 --> 01:54:12.000
if you can make them grow through all of the

1996
01:54:12.079 --> 01:54:14.239
Star Trek shows, and even Star Trek Prodigy has a

1997
01:54:14.239 --> 01:54:17.039
fair amount of peril in it and so appealing to

1998
01:54:17.079 --> 01:54:20.039
even younger kids, I think is a fantastic Ideanna. I

1999
01:54:20.039 --> 01:54:22.319
don't know that we'll review that show on here, but

2000
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I'm really excited that they're making it.

2001
01:54:24.680 --> 01:54:28.199
So putting it on YouTube versus putting on a Paramount Plus,

2002
01:54:28.239 --> 01:54:32.680
I don't know if well, unless they do it like

2003
01:54:32.720 --> 01:54:36.239
Short Trucks. Short Trucks is on Paramount Plus and they're

2004
01:54:36.279 --> 01:54:38.239
you know, they're short, hence the name Short Treks.

2005
01:54:38.439 --> 01:54:40.640
Well, I think the idea here is that they're trying

2006
01:54:40.680 --> 01:54:43.399
to appeal to as many people as possible. And I

2007
01:54:43.479 --> 01:54:50.119
will say that we're among the minority as Paramount Plus subscribers, right,

2008
01:54:50.399 --> 01:54:52.800
and nobody's going to subscribe to Paramount Plus just to

2009
01:54:52.800 --> 01:54:56.119
watch this show. But man, they go on YouTube all

2010
01:54:56.159 --> 01:54:59.000
the time and they may even find it by a

2011
01:55:00.199 --> 01:55:02.600
you know, here's another show like what you were already

2012
01:55:02.600 --> 01:55:05.520
watching type of thing, which you can't do on Paramount Plus.

2013
01:55:05.560 --> 01:55:09.159
So that's probably why they're they're going to get a wider,

2014
01:55:09.479 --> 01:55:11.520
much wider audience by putting it on you. And it

2015
01:55:11.520 --> 01:55:15.439
sounds like it's shorts. Shorts could mean anything between you know,

2016
01:55:15.520 --> 01:55:21.439
five and fifteen minutes. I'm imagining something like the what

2017
01:55:21.520 --> 01:55:24.159
they call the Star Wars shorts that they've got on Disney.

2018
01:55:24.159 --> 01:55:25.720
Are they like Tales of.

2019
01:55:25.680 --> 01:55:29.800
The Jedi Underworld Tales tales that.

2020
01:55:30.039 --> 01:55:32.159
I mean, those shows are only like a few minutes

2021
01:55:32.199 --> 01:55:34.399
long each, so maybe it'll be something like that.

2022
01:55:34.760 --> 01:55:37.920
Well, I'm thinking Skeleton Crew is what I'm thinking.

2023
01:55:39.000 --> 01:55:41.119
Yeah, I mean Skeleton Crew still has a fair amount

2024
01:55:41.159 --> 01:55:44.239
of peril and that's still a you know, thirty forty

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01:55:44.239 --> 01:55:44.800
minute show.

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01:55:44.960 --> 01:55:50.680
So yeah, I like Skeleton Crew fantastic. Yeah, well you

2027
01:55:50.680 --> 01:55:57.640
want to do but Paul's story? Sorry, who's talking about Prodigy?

2028
01:55:57.880 --> 01:56:02.399
Yeah? Sure, pig she just got another nail in its coffin. Unfortunately,

2029
01:56:02.840 --> 01:56:06.079
and I don't understand why Paramount isn't bringing the series back.

2030
01:56:06.119 --> 01:56:10.600
The person who writes this article says, after some unfortunate cancelations,

2031
01:56:10.600 --> 01:56:13.239
it seems like Star Trek seemed like Star Trek was

2032
01:56:13.279 --> 01:56:15.960
on an upward trajectory thanks to a few promising upcoming

2033
01:56:16.039 --> 01:56:20.800
truck shows on the horizon. However, unfortunately, the cancelation seti

2034
01:56:20.840 --> 01:56:23.239
eel is threatening to board its way into the years

2035
01:56:23.239 --> 01:56:26.399
of fans once again, as some upsetting news about Prodigy

2036
01:56:26.399 --> 01:56:29.920
has arrived. Reports from What's on Netflix indicate that the

2037
01:56:29.920 --> 01:56:33.479
streamer will be removing Star Trek Prodigy from its library

2038
01:56:33.520 --> 01:56:37.279
in two phases. Season one will be taking taken off

2039
01:56:37.279 --> 01:56:40.119
the platform on June twenty fourth, and season two is

2040
01:56:40.119 --> 01:56:43.800
set to get yanked on New Year's Day, Happy New Year.

2041
01:56:44.680 --> 01:56:47.239
After that, it's unknown if either season will be available

2042
01:56:47.279 --> 01:56:50.800
to stream with a Paramount Plus subscription, or any details

2043
01:56:50.840 --> 01:56:54.359
for what will happen next. Of Netflix removing both seasons

2044
01:56:54.399 --> 01:56:55.960
less than a year from now, it's safe to save.

2045
01:56:56.000 --> 01:56:59.760
Plans for Star Trek Prodigy season three aren't looking too good.

2046
01:57:00.399 --> 01:57:04.680
In fairness, the Hageman brothers encouraged fans to watch if

2047
01:57:04.680 --> 01:57:09.199
they wanted a new season, and there possibly just weren't

2048
01:57:09.279 --> 01:57:12.880
enough fans clued in on that initiative. While Netflix's larger

2049
01:57:12.960 --> 01:57:16.159
viewership base was an advantage, the series only drew about

2050
01:57:16.159 --> 01:57:19.960
three point four million votes over or views over a

2051
01:57:20.079 --> 01:57:23.680
two year stretch. It's not very many stream Star Trek

2052
01:57:23.720 --> 01:57:26.439
Prodigy while you can on Netflix. Keep fingers crossed that

2053
01:57:26.560 --> 01:57:28.840
some positive news on the series is on its way

2054
01:57:29.279 --> 01:57:31.199
and that there's someone out there willing to see what

2055
01:57:31.359 --> 01:57:34.399
this show brings to the table. My biggest hope personally

2056
01:57:35.680 --> 01:57:39.119
is that once it's off Netflix, they will have cleared

2057
01:57:39.199 --> 01:57:42.199
all of their contracts and now Paramount Plus can say, Okay,

2058
01:57:43.039 --> 01:57:44.479
now let's do a season three.

2059
01:57:45.520 --> 01:57:45.760
Yeah?

2060
01:57:45.880 --> 01:57:46.560
Is that possible?

2061
01:57:48.439 --> 01:57:52.159
Prodigy was such a good show too. Yeah, it really

2062
01:57:52.199 --> 01:57:55.520
got its legs in second season, and it was outstanding

2063
01:57:55.600 --> 01:58:01.199
in second season. I'm shocked that. I don't understand why

2064
01:58:01.199 --> 01:58:05.720
Paramount didn't air when they had the season done. Sometimes

2065
01:58:05.720 --> 01:58:07.199
they make some stupid decisions.

2066
01:58:07.279 --> 01:58:09.800
Well, I think here's it. I think we talked about

2067
01:58:09.800 --> 01:58:11.920
this when it moved to Netflix. Man, I think it's

2068
01:58:11.960 --> 01:58:15.279
all about money, right, And as we just said, we're

2069
01:58:15.279 --> 01:58:20.399
in the money minority being Paramount plus subscribers, and they

2070
01:58:20.399 --> 01:58:22.920
figured they could get a wider audience with Netflix. They

2071
01:58:22.960 --> 01:58:25.079
were hoping at that point that it would help grow

2072
01:58:25.119 --> 01:58:28.720
the viewership. But at any rate, even if that didn't happen,

2073
01:58:28.840 --> 01:58:31.920
they still got a lump of cash from Netflix by

2074
01:58:32.000 --> 01:58:34.399
selling off their show rights for a couple of years.

2075
01:58:34.479 --> 01:58:38.119
So now that it's coming back to the Paramount family,

2076
01:58:38.159 --> 01:58:40.560
hopefully that will that lump of cash can be used

2077
01:58:40.600 --> 01:58:42.279
as a catalyst to get season three going.

2078
01:58:43.359 --> 01:58:47.079
Yeah, but Netflix also has a notorious reptation of canceling

2079
01:58:47.119 --> 01:58:50.399
their own show show. I don't know.

2080
01:58:50.479 --> 01:58:52.359
Once again, it's a it's a money thing, right, If

2081
01:58:52.359 --> 01:58:54.920
it's not making enough money, they'll just cancel it, regardless

2082
01:58:54.920 --> 01:58:55.960
of how much people love it.

2083
01:58:57.720 --> 01:59:01.439
Unfortunately, it has nothing to do with the quality, it's

2084
01:59:01.439 --> 01:59:04.680
just how many people watch it. Yep, Like Section thirty

2085
01:59:04.680 --> 01:59:08.399
one was on the top of their viewing list for

2086
01:59:08.479 --> 01:59:11.039
weeks and weeks and weeks, yet most of the fans

2087
01:59:11.079 --> 01:59:14.079
hated that. So it's not whether you like it or not,

2088
01:59:14.119 --> 01:59:17.319
it's how many people watch streaming minutes. I'm sorry, it's

2089
01:59:17.359 --> 01:59:23.439
basically a minute, how many minutes it's stream So I

2090
01:59:23.439 --> 01:59:25.840
think we're going to cut the news there because it's

2091
01:59:27.520 --> 01:59:30.279
once again we had a lot of technical difficulties and

2092
01:59:30.319 --> 01:59:33.159
I don't know why. We've never had that many on

2093
01:59:33.159 --> 01:59:40.199
one show before, So I apologize for that. Oh god,

2094
01:59:40.319 --> 01:59:44.439
I mean since we switched over to Riverside, Riverside has

2095
01:59:44.479 --> 01:59:48.319
been exceptional, so we haven't had a lot of problems

2096
01:59:48.359 --> 01:59:50.840
with them. So next week, guys, we're going to be

2097
01:59:50.880 --> 01:59:52.920
having Comic Corner and we're going to do Lower Decks

2098
01:59:52.960 --> 01:59:56.560
issues four and five. We're going to continue our Comic

2099
01:59:56.600 --> 01:59:59.159
Corner coverage of Lower Decks and we're going to have

2100
01:59:59.159 --> 02:00:01.960
a new co host us. We're going to have Victoria

2101
02:00:02.039 --> 02:00:04.159
with us, and she's from Virginia and she's a huge

2102
02:00:04.279 --> 02:00:08.279
Lower Decks fan. Her license plate is Lower Decks so

2103
02:00:08.319 --> 02:00:10.199
that's why she's going to be joining us next week

2104
02:00:10.239 --> 02:00:12.880
for the Lower Deck Show. So I'll please tune in

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02:00:12.920 --> 02:00:19.039
and show her some support. And yeah, that's pretty much it.

2106
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And I want to say thank you to Eric for

2107
02:00:21.239 --> 02:00:23.760
hanging out and trek talking with us as usual. Thank

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02:00:23.800 --> 02:00:24.159
you so.

2109
02:00:24.199 --> 02:00:26.359
Much, Eric, Absolutely I was a blast.

2110
02:00:26.880 --> 02:00:28.880
And thank you so much to David for all the

2111
02:00:28.920 --> 02:00:31.760
awesome work you do on our our slide show and

2112
02:00:32.039 --> 02:00:34.560
our video at the beginning of the podcast. Thank you

2113
02:00:34.600 --> 02:00:35.319
so much, David.

2114
02:00:35.640 --> 02:00:38.119
Yeah, I just got one last one to play.

2115
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Yep when we get yep, this one. That's not the

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02:00:46.319 --> 02:00:48.560
one I was. That's not the video.

2117
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That's my goodbye.

2118
02:00:53.279 --> 02:00:57.159
Okay. I don't want to thank Charles, even though we

2119
02:00:57.199 --> 02:01:00.560
had a lot of technical difficulties for trying to join us.

2120
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And of course thank you to Paul for her awesome

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02:01:02.960 --> 02:01:07.600
recap of Star of Star Wars and or so thank

2122
02:01:07.640 --> 02:01:10.119
you so much, guys, and I'm your most excellent host,

2123
02:01:10.199 --> 02:01:13.640
Uncle Jim saying, please everybody stay safe and be good

2124
02:01:13.680 --> 02:01:14.119
to each other.

2125
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Member.

2126
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Sci fi fans are the best fans, you better believe it.

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Good Night, everybody, goodnight.

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I else all stage.

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I'm ready for departure.

2130
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Sir, some problem.

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RCA.

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I'm just hoping this isn't the usual way of missions will.

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Go, said, Oh, no, Number one.

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I'm sure most will be much more interesting.

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Let's see what's out there than