May 16, 2025

Episode 636-Star Wars Andor part 3 review

Episode 636-Star Wars Andor part 3 review
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Star Wars

In this episode of Trek Talking and Beyond, Uncle Jim and his cohosts engage in lively discussions about various Star Trek themes, including the emotional complexities of characters like Sisko and Picard, the justification of the Maquis' actions, and the importance of fan engagement. They also highlight upcoming guests and events, making it a well-rounded episode for Star Trek enthusiasts. In this conversation, the hosts delve into the themes and character arcs presented in the latest episodes of Star Wars: Andor, particularly focusing on the Gorman Massacre and Mon Mothma's pivotal speech. They discuss the implications of trust, responsibility, and the moral dilemmas faced by characters in the series, drawing parallels to real-world issues of propaganda and government manipulation. The conversation highlights the emotional weight of the narrative and the significance of character development throughout the arc. In this episode, the hosts discuss various themes from the latest episodes of Andor, including character development, trust issues, and the implications of the ZILLIA BEAST. They reflect on storytelling techniques and the impact of character arcs. The conversation also touches on the legacy of Star Trek, remembering actors who have passed, and William Shatner's humorous take on current events. Additionally, they delve into the controversial finale of Star Trek Enterprise and Shatner's decision regarding Star Trek V, as well as the latest action figures and collectibles.

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has had enough for that. Pemi up make it so everybody,

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lets go about the series.

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Going up the phone. Now about the series.

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I'm coming to you dree services now.

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Lead about the series. How foks me harshone loud.

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Hey, good evening, Trekies and Trekers around the globe. It's Thursday,

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May fifteenth, twenty twenty five. Welcome to episode six hundred

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and thirty six. If you guys kind of like that

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theme song, huh, it's kind of catchy, kind of kind

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of catchy. You know, you can't quite get enough of it.

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But alas it's about to get an upgrade. That's right,

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you'll have to wait and come back when it's ready

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and hear the new theme song. And I'm also we're

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also gonna have a video to go along with that

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theme song that we're gonna play prior to the podcast

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instead of just the picture of my awesome Trukxperts and myself.

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So stay tuned. I'm your most excellent host, Uncle Jim,

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and with me as usual are my Trukxperts. Will start

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out in Las Vegas for a change, where we have

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swinging palm trees, and of course we're talking to Charles.

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How you doing, Charles?

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I'm doing good, Uncle Jim. Enjoying our roller coaster weather again.

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It's going on the warm streak, but I think we're

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supposed to hit up to nineties and go back down

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to seventies for a bit and then go back up

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to the nineties.

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Here snow up in Vermont, but I love it.

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All right.

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Now we're gonna swing over to Portland, where we have

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my trifecta, my triple play, my hat trick, if you will.

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We'll start off with David. He's obviously the miracle worker.

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How you doing tonight, David?

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I'm doing pretty good.

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It's it's been kind of a rough end this week.

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I had an infection and everything it was like I

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had to clean. I was like I didn't think I

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was gonna make it, and now here I am.

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You didn't eat any moldy cheese, did you I avoided that,

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that's always a good thing. And also from Portland, we

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have the toy guy himself, Paul. How you doing tonight, Paul?

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I'm good, Uncle Jim. You know, I was able to

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avoid getting trapped in the Gorman Plaza this week, so

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that's a good thing.

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Mark, That's a very good thing.

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But nobody offered me a four hundred billion dollar jet

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that needs a lifetime amount of, like you know, intravenous maintenance.

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So I don't know.

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I guess I'm sort of right in the middle.

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They're doing something right there you go production last, but

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definitely not least. Also from Portland, it must be something

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in the water. We have Eric Kaya doing tonight.

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Eric doing pretty good.

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Man.

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Yeah, feeling a little rushed due to other obligations just

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prior to the podcast, but I am here now. I

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am wearing my Jackie Daytona T shirt from what we

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do in the Shadows, and I am feeling good and.

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We are going out currently live on Facebook, my screen

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tells me so, so if you guys are following me

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on Facebook, you should see a link there and be

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watching the show right now. So I hope that's working.

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My computer says it is, so anybody else I'm assuming

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that it is. Before we go to though, you guys

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need to mark your calendars for Thursday July twelfth, because

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Alex Dial is going to be here, that's right right here,

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right now, talking with us live. He played a synth

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unit F eight F three three five and Star Trek

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p cards first season episodes Maps and Legends, and he

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also played Harvey in the second season episodes The Stargazer

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and Penance. And he's going to be here chatting with

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us live, so you don't want to miss that.

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And that's June twelfth, Jim, June.

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Twelfth, June July twelfth, June twelfth.

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Jan twelfth, There you go.

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J Yeah. So we're also looking for some female advice

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around here. We're looking for Princess Leia to join all

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these guys here. So if you're listening to the podcast

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trek Talking dot com, click on the green talkback Mike

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and send us a message and hopefully we'll pick you

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You can also support Trek Talking by heading over to

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Patreon and becoming a member. It's only two dollars a month.

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It's a great bargain. What else is? What else is there? Okay?

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On tonight's show, we're going to be covering Indoor Part two,

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episodes seven, eight and nine.

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Three.

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Oh go, I better change my notes here.

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I thought I was the worst person at math on

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Planet Earth. I have now learned that it's not true,

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So worth it all?

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Right there? I just changed my notes because I've watched

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the whole series already, so I gotta I gotta step

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backwards here. So we're gonna be talking about and or tonight.

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We also have our fans shout outs, and that's where

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we say thank you to fans just like you all

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around the globe. And as usual, we have our Star

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Trek polls, and you know, is Picard was responsible for

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his actions as the cutest I wonder hm? And did

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the makey make the right choice in abandoning the Federation

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another interesting question you'll have to hang around to find out.

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We also have our Star Trek Birthdays, where we can

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find out what Star Trek actors you share a birthday with,

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and what's going on around the Star Trek universe this week. Actually,

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we have quite a few stories left over from last week.

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We'll start Trek five. Get a director's cut, God, I hope,

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so I'm only praying we have a pike in one

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twelfth scale and enterprise what outward a whimper? And of

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course Shatner says what. And that's our stories for this week.

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All right, guys, if you'd like to be featured on

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a fan shout out, all I have to do is

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head over to our Facebook page Trek Talking and beyond.

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You'll see a pinpost at the top of the page,

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Live Long and prosper. Just click on that, tell us

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where you're from and leave lots of little emojis because

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that gets my attention. And then if there's a heart

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next to your name from yours, truly you want to

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tune into the next show because you're going to hear

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your name on a fan shout out. So, Eric, would

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you like to get us started with our fan shout

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outs this week?

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I absolutely do. I'm going to spin this globe over

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to Western Europe and say hello this week to Jantinecke

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van Helden, who is saying hello to us from the

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Netherlands also known as Holland. Thank you so much for

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listening to our podcast. We always appreciate all of our

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European support and Jantineke we see you on our Facebook

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page and we hope you're listening right now. Also saying

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hello this week to Uriel Robert el Delacort, who's saying

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hello to us from Belgium. So would that be de

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la croi something I don't know. I'm terrible at Belgian names,

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but URIEO, what's up?

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Oh?

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There we go, there we go? Well, thank you so

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much for listening to our podcast, Uriel. We really appreciate

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your support in that amazing country that is, that country

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between all countries that seems to contain multitudes in and

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of itself. Thank you so much. Also saying hello this

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week to Sue elgar Nawide, who's saying hello to us

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from Johannesburg in South Africa. Lots of South African stuff

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in the news these days in the US, Sue elger Noide,

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thank you so much for saying hello to us. And

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last but not least, I want to spin that globe

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over to Bulgaria and say hello and welcome this week

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to Giorgi Liumboy, who sang hello to us from that

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capital city of Sofia in Bulgaria. Thank you so much

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for listening to all our podcast and livelong and prosper

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to you, Giorgi Charles. Who would you like to say

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hello to?

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Oh? Thank you Eric.

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Let's start off in Connecticut. Let's say welcome to Martin

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Rolo from Waterbury, Connecticut. Welcome Martin. Welcome to Via Ali

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from Williamsburg, Virginia. I wonder if you're near historical Williamsburg

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top fans and Mary Stefan from Pennsylvania. Oh, chocolate, Sorry man,

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Another top fan, Brandon Kallis from Kentucky. Welcome Brandon and

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Mary and chocolate. David, who's on your list?

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Yeah? I would like to say.

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Welcome and thank you for listening to Scott Montgomery Sr.

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From Panama City Beach in Florida, and just probably somewhere

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northeast southwest, I'm not sure, but somewhere in Florida. I

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want to say welcome to Joey Dean who's listening in

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and I got another Florida.

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Oh.

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I want to say thank you for listening to low

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Wayland Williams, who's coming in from Florida, USA, And I

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have a top fan, Joey Ralph from Indiana, USA. Thank

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you all for listening, and I'm going to pass it

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over to Paul.

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Thank David, hoping you can hear me. Okay, this switch

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device is on the fly? Is that worgan sounds good?

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Buddy all it's sweet. Let's get on the other side

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of the planet here and say hello to our good

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friend Helena Sarronova from Czech Republic originally but currently living

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in Poland. So not a gigantic moving truck necessary to

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make that move, but still rather a substantial relocation. But great, Helena.

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Great to know that you're out there. I love knowing

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that in different regions of the world we have Star

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Trek fans that are everywhere, like our friend Wayne Till

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who's in England. It doesn't say where in England that

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Wayne is at, but he's got both flags flying the

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Union Jack and of course the Old Standby as well.

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So fantastic knowing you're out there. I am feeling a

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lot of kinship for my fellow British citizens lately, so

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great to know that you are one of them. Wayne,

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And thanks for being a fan of Star Trek all

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the way on the hind quarters of the planet, and

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if you will, you go down to New Zealand and

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say hi to our friend Vanessa Madson who's living down there,

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and be sure on which island you reside, Virginia. But Vanessa,

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excuse me for God, was thinking of Virginia Madson for

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a while. There be a little Freudian slim. This is

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Vanessa Madson, not the same person.

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Do you think people in New Zealand think of us

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as the hind quarters of the planet?

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I you know, space is relative, but you know, I

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am sort of programmed generationally to make like bad jokes

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whenever I can, right, So it's just you know, I mean,

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if you know how many times I've seen blazing saddles

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and get what it's explaining a lot.

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So I'm a big Melbrooks fan. I can't help it.

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Anything that's remotely related to one's back side must be.

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That is like a rule.

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So there you go.

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You know, I'm so sorry I got lost between contents there.

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And also we're going to go to Italy, where I

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just would I need to get there and I need

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to get there bad Italy to our friend Alice. Alice,

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I don't know which province of Italy you live. In,

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but I can guarantee you you are surrounded one of

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the best food and wine on the planet. So why

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would you go anywhere else? I mean, especially if you're

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the proximity to have to so many other great places.

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You have got it made in the shade Alice, So

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good for you, and thanks for being a fan of

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this podcast and the enlightened positive future that is always

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depicted by Star Trek. Let's see who Uncle Jim has

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in his Eastern Seaboard nexus.

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Well, thank you so much, Paul. First, we're going to

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visit New York City and we're going to say thank

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you so much to Marco Gurra. He's in New York City,

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the Big Apple, the City that Never sleeps. Thank you

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for being a fan, Marco. We also want to say

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hello and thank you to Ronnie bog Daddy. He's a

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top contributor, which means he's on our Facebook page quite frequently,

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and he's also from New York. Another New Yorker. What

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a shock, huh. We want to say thank you to

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Michael Bardy, who's in Upstate New York in the Webster

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area right where Susan's Give Me grew up. At last,

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but not least. We want to send a hearty thank

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you to Keith Jordan, who's listening to us in Georgia.

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And now it's time for our Star Trek poll, which

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means I gotta find the poll sun.

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You know me like no win what you thought about

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the show. Then we try your opinions with all of

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our minions out there because they listen worldwide. So tell

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us just what you think. Get together, we will altering

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Canara and romulin al.

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All right, we're gonna go into our pull section, but

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first David has to roll the tape.

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Resistance is futile. You will disarm your weapons and escort

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us to sector zero zero one. If you attempt to intervene,

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we will destroy you. Hold sir, help me to get

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up freak.

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She's gone.

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There's nothing we can do.

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We have to me.

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What damage to work corn containment failure in two minutes,

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say good boy.

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Sir, gone to go now, sir, damn it.

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You just can't leave her here?

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Oh come on, yes, please come in. Welcome to Bajow.

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Spent a long time captain before Yes, sir, you met

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in battle. I was on the Saratoga at three five nine.

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I have been.

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Made aware by Starfleet of your objections to this assignment.

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I would have thought that after three years spendidly utopia

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perniciar yards, that you will be ready for a change.

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I have a son that I am raising, a lone Captain,

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this is not the ideal environment.

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Unfortunately, as Starfleet officers, we do not always have the

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luxury to serve.

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In an ideal environment.

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I realize that, Sir, and I am investigating the possibility

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of returning to Earth for civilian service, and perhaps Starfleet

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Command should be considering a replacement for you. That's probably

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a good idea, and look into it in the meantime. However,

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in the meantime, I will do the job I've been

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ordered to do to the best of my ability.

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Sir rich.

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Oh Man, that okay, we saw the clip, So Eric,

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what's the question.

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I'm just gonna say that I think that episode, the

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first episode of d Space nine just hits so hard.

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You know, we had only seen the next generation's first episode,

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which is honestly cheesy by comparison, and you know, Avery

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Brooks performance in this thing is unbelievable. In the Deep

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Space nine episode, Emissary Cisco blames Picard for the destruction

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of the USS Saratoga and the death of his wife.

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Do you agree with him? And eight percent of our

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pole respondents say yes, they agree with him blaming Picard,

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and ninety two percent of our respondents do not agree

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with ciscol Picard. Sure, here's what I'm gonna say about

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this one, Okay. An argument could be made that Picard

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is not in charge of his own faculties as locutas right,

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He's been taken over by the Borg. He's got Borg

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intentions and Borg things that he needs to do based

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on his connection to the collective. In my opinion, it

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is one hundred percent reasonable for Cisco to totally blame

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Picard right now. I mean, you know, was it Picard's fault?

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No?

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Is it reasonable for Cisco to blame Picard? Absolutely? Man,

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dude just lost his wife, almost lost his son. A

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whole bunch of stuff is going on in his head

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right now. So yeah, this provides the opportunity for Cisco

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to grow, for Picard to you know, sort of take responsibility.

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I think there are other episodes that sort of explore

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that Picard taking responsibility for his locutest acts a little

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bit more than this one does. But that scene where

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the two of them are facing off just hits so hard.

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I love it so much. So yeah, I don't know.

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I think I would tend to be about fifty to

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fifty on this one. It's really hard for me to

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go one way or the other. But it looks like

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our respondents feel pretty strongly about not agreeing with Cisco's

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blaming of Picards. So I don't know, what do you

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guys think, Paul, we lost you, buddy, I can't. We

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can't hear you, man, Sorry, there.

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We go there. Yeah. I think our respondents are on crack.

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Yeah, yeah, we do.

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I think they have drank the frequency viewing syndicated rerun

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kool aid here. It's just oh well, it's of course,

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Captain Pricard, we can't watch it. Fine, guilty of anything.

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I'm like, yeah you can, you know, And if you're

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a man, you would, you'd be like in his face, like,

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you know, Avery Brooks is going in the meantime, motherfucker.

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I mean, he just like basically just throws down it.

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Does you know, he just gets totally ill. Samuel l

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on him, man, I love that, of course he does.

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Of course he's gonna feel that way unless you're like,

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you know, a you know, automaton, right, I mean, he's

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reacting to it like a human being, you know, an

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emotional person. It's just it's such a great opening scene.

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It's a great performance. It sets the stage and like

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you're saying, it says basically told them, well, this is

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gonna be a little different show than next generation. Right,

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everyone's not quite so you know, harmonious and conflict this king, right,

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it's really amazing. So yeah, I mean I get the

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whole idea that you know, basically, you know, Picard was

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under the thrall of the puppet masters as Locutus, right,

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I mean, he really wasn't in charge of himself, right,

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But still, mano amano, the guy who pulled the train

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here that got your wife killed. What are you gonna do?

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You're gonna lend him?

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N think maybe you'll forgive it at some point, maybe

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he'll move past it. I think he does, all right,

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I mean, but but at first, your emotions, you know,

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are gonna take over. Yeah they Yeah, but what an

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incredible you know what an incredible scene. Silly turned best

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at both worlds on its ass, which is great.

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You know, Yeah, I actually kind of agree with Ominians here.

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And the reason being is I understand that Cisco is

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need to be showing his emotions and everything like that,

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but I honestly think that, yes, if you're under the

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puppet master, you have no Ah actions. Uh, you can't

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control your action basically, And so to be honest, in

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that scene, I can only imagine what Picard was going

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through when he was killing hundreds of federationships, you know,

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trying to get out of that situation because he was

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in trap. So to be honest, I actually agreed that

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it wasn't the Card's fault in this situation. And so,

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but whether or not if he were blamed and yeah,

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I mean, yeah, you know, we all human. But then

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again that was also in the movie or the TV

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series from the beginning that battle took place, and then

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it said three years later. I was trying to find that,

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but I couldn't for some reason get it into the clip,

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but it said three years later. And so, you know,

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having a holding a grud for that long, can you

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imagine how angry you must be when you're facing somebody

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who pulled the trigger. So to me, I can't imagine

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what Cisco was going through. And but yeah. I don't

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think the Card's that fault though, to be honest, but

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you know, he is human, so he had to blame somebody.

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So yeah, next, all right.

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Go ahead, Charles, Okay, we're saying, oh, we're blamed Ricard

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because Ricard fired the weapon. Was Ricard in charge of

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any weapons on that board ship? Or is that the

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job of other people on that ship? I think other

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people in the ship was doing the firing. Picard was

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just a figure in control that was communicating to Earth.

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I think the Borg was the one doing the major

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of the fighting to it.

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I don't think, Charles, I'm going to take exception to

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what you're saying, because the Queen specifically says stuff about

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how Locutus is supposed to be there to kind of

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be in charge of what the border doing at this point.

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And I think all of the all of the fire commands,

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all of the tractor beams, I believe all of that

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stuff was flowing through the Locutas at that point.

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Well they are collective, yeah, but collect.

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Hierarchy.

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Yeah, lot, this isn't just the mouth of Sorrow though.

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He's not just the messenger, he's not. He's like, he's

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basically he's the you know doing it. Yeah, he's the

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prince essentially, right, he's the responsible face. And with responsibility

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comes a blame.

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Well, look at great power comes great responsibility.

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Okay, we're talking about three years. How long of a

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grudge did Kirk with the Klingons over the death of

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his son? They blame He blamed the entire Klingon society

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for the loss of for the one Klingon killing his son. Yeah,

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sometimes some grudges go a little too long, a little

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too far, And especially being part of the collective and

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a puppet of the Queen, I'm not sure Picard was

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was working his own, was the central cause of it,

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and the board kind of controlling the situation. So I'm

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with the minions on this one. I don't think it's

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Picard really was worthy of having it all that blame

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for the loss of his wife.

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And I'm with the minions on this one too. And

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as far as grudges go, we saw the dip ship

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from Chicago, Captain William Captain Shock, Captain William shot on

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Star Trek Picard And how many years after Wolf three

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five nine did that happen? Very last, and he still

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held a grudge so I think a lot of people

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that were involved in that never really got the memo

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that the board were in control. And it wasn't Picard.

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So I understand why he was pissed, and I understand

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why Captain Shaw was still sore about it. But yeah,

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I gotta go with dominions here on this one. Uh,

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it wasn't Picard. It was the Borg that we're pulling

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the strings. They were, you know, making him do those

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things against his will, which is why, if I remember correctly,

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wasn't there a little tear came out the side of

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his eye? Wasn't there a little tear that ran down

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his face as all that was going on? I think,

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so Eric, wasn't there a little tear?

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I think I don't remember that, But that doesn't in

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Data's lab when they're trying to like.

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The thing right before he gets this the where Picard

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suggested saying the.

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Little tear means that he's aware of what he's doing.

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Huh, Well, he's trying, he he he doesn't want to

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do it and he can't stop it, and the Borg

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aren't big on emotions obviously, And I think.

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The root of the manna though, is just like you know,

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we're off in these sort of ethereal abstractions. Right, is

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Cisco justified to be pissed off, to have human emotions?

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I'd say, yeah, yeah, he's like whether or not they're valid, right,

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you know, it's just like, you know, I don't think

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if you're in that situation, you know, and somebody's you know,

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your wife or immediate person has been killed, I don't

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think you'd give two shits about the abstraction of well,

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it wasn't really his fault. I don't think anyone's you know,

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I think that doesn't fly in real real life academically

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when you detached from it, talking like a pole question, sure,

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but in reality I think he would be pissed and

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you would hold a grudge for a long ass time.

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Yeah, and he would be justified in that grudge.

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Yep, he would be justified in that grudge. All right, David,

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So that's our first poll question. Roll the tape for

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part two.

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You should have seen the look on your face when

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you saw me standing there been I hardly recognized you

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without the uniform.

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Well, it's been feeling a little type. They just like that.

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It's just a uniform, Ben, Is that all it is?

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I remember when you first put it on yes graduation

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day at the academy. We both swore that we'd be

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starship captains by the time of the thirty and I

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don't know it's by forty. Yes, I think we've both

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done pretty well for ourselves. Yes we have haven'ed r

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But now I've got something better. These settlers been. If

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you saw all they have accomplished without any help from

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the Federation, then you fight along with them.

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I don't think so.

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They've traveled out here to the back of the beyond

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and their homes out of the wilderness. Now, maybe the

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Federation can turn their backs them, but I can.

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I'm not asking you to. But you're joining the marquis.

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Isn't helping anyone. Your actions have only endangered the treaty

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and put millions of lives at risk.

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The Federation believes that it can solve every problem with

469
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a treaty, but out here on the frontier, without the

470
00:29:16.440 --> 00:29:19.119
power of the Federation to back them up, a treaty

471
00:29:19.240 --> 00:29:20.960
is only a piece of paper.

472
00:29:21.680 --> 00:29:24.200
Do you have evidence that the Central Command is violated

473
00:29:24.240 --> 00:29:24.640
the treaty?

474
00:29:25.359 --> 00:29:26.519
Not yet, but we will.

475
00:29:26.880 --> 00:29:28.960
If you're depending on gold the cut for proof you're

476
00:29:29.000 --> 00:29:29.920
going to be disappointed.

477
00:29:30.440 --> 00:29:31.319
We'll find out, won't.

478
00:29:31.880 --> 00:29:36.119
I want him back, Tom, he's not here, then where

479
00:29:36.279 --> 00:29:36.440
is he?

480
00:29:37.759 --> 00:29:40.400
I never thought i'd see the day when you'd side

481
00:29:40.440 --> 00:29:42.720
with a Kodassian against me.

482
00:29:44.039 --> 00:29:45.440
Damn it, Cal, I'm on your side.

483
00:29:45.519 --> 00:29:47.279
You've got a funny way of showing it. Then, I'm

484
00:29:47.319 --> 00:29:49.079
trying to stop you from making one of the biggest

485
00:29:49.160 --> 00:29:51.960
mistakes of your life. The Federation believes in the treaty.

486
00:29:52.480 --> 00:29:55.200
If you destroy it, starve me can come after you,

487
00:29:55.680 --> 00:29:58.039
and they won't be satisfied until you're behind bars.

488
00:29:59.039 --> 00:30:00.400
If we work together to.

489
00:30:00.640 --> 00:30:03.359
End the Vibans, the violence will never end as long

490
00:30:03.400 --> 00:30:06.759
as Central Command continues to smuggle weapons to their colonies.

491
00:30:08.160 --> 00:30:10.079
I wish there were a better way to handle this thing,

492
00:30:10.160 --> 00:30:13.119
I really do. Nobody wants peace any more than a

493
00:30:13.200 --> 00:30:15.880
ma quy, and you're willing to blow up Cardassian ships

494
00:30:15.920 --> 00:30:18.519
to get it. The bak No will never smuggle weapons again.

495
00:30:18.839 --> 00:30:25.279
Its crew members won't be returning home to their families either. Look,

496
00:30:25.759 --> 00:30:28.279
you say the Central Command is behind the smuggling pine

497
00:30:28.440 --> 00:30:29.000
that's proven.

498
00:30:29.240 --> 00:30:32.160
How We'll go to Cardassia find the evidence you need

499
00:30:32.200 --> 00:30:33.839
your back up your claim, and when we do, we'll

500
00:30:33.880 --> 00:30:34.119
take it.

501
00:30:34.160 --> 00:30:34.759
To the Federation.

502
00:30:35.240 --> 00:30:39.319
No, the Federation abandoned us, told us to take care

503
00:30:39.359 --> 00:30:42.599
of ourselves. Well, that's what we intend to do, Ben,

504
00:30:43.000 --> 00:30:47.480
But you you could be invaluable to us. Let's use

505
00:30:47.519 --> 00:30:50.839
your station for what a maintenance facility for our ship.

506
00:30:50.880 --> 00:30:54.759
I count allow that every week innocent people are murdered

507
00:30:54.759 --> 00:30:57.960
by the Cardassians. I will not allow those deaths to

508
00:30:58.039 --> 00:30:59.079
go unpunished.

509
00:31:00.480 --> 00:31:03.319
You don't want piece co you want revenge.

510
00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:11.599
I prefer to call it retaliation. I am sorry. We

511
00:31:11.640 --> 00:31:15.960
won't be working together, Benjamin. It would have been nice

512
00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:21.119
like old times.

513
00:31:31.400 --> 00:31:34.440
All right, there's the clip, Eric, What is the question?

514
00:31:35.119 --> 00:31:39.440
What a great example of the complexities the DS nine weaves.

515
00:31:39.519 --> 00:31:42.960
In the DS nine two part episode The Maquis, several

516
00:31:43.000 --> 00:31:46.640
Starfleet officers and civilians, after the Federation gave control of

517
00:31:46.720 --> 00:31:51.319
several Federation colonies to the Cardassians, started a resistance movement

518
00:31:51.759 --> 00:31:55.640
and left the Federation. Do you agree with this decision?

519
00:31:56.359 --> 00:32:00.240
And fifty six percent of our responders agreed that the

520
00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:04.599
Maquis were a good idea, and forty four percent of

521
00:32:04.680 --> 00:32:08.039
our responders said no, the Maquis were not a great idea.

522
00:32:08.079 --> 00:32:10.000
So I kind of like this one it's sort of

523
00:32:10.000 --> 00:32:15.000
split down the middle with our responders. And you know,

524
00:32:15.079 --> 00:32:17.839
I think this scene does a great job of showing

525
00:32:18.039 --> 00:32:21.680
how Calvin Hudson feel and the Maquis. You know, the

526
00:32:21.759 --> 00:32:24.720
people who have become part of the Maquis feel that

527
00:32:24.799 --> 00:32:27.799
the Federation has let them down. Every once in a while,

528
00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:32.319
big big governmental entities let the people down, and it's

529
00:32:32.400 --> 00:32:35.759
actually the responsibility of the people, in my opinion, to

530
00:32:37.279 --> 00:32:40.400
tell the government what they think should be going on instead.

531
00:32:40.519 --> 00:32:43.759
And so, you know, in this case, some people could

532
00:32:43.759 --> 00:32:47.640
see the Maquis as a rogue element, illegal doing things

533
00:32:47.680 --> 00:32:50.519
that they aren't supposed to be doing. But I actually

534
00:32:50.599 --> 00:32:54.480
think that they're totally justified in saying what they're saying,

535
00:32:54.680 --> 00:32:57.519
doing what they're doing. I wish there was a little

536
00:32:57.559 --> 00:33:01.680
bit more proof here. I think in this intons it

537
00:33:01.839 --> 00:33:04.440
kind of looks like Cisco's coming out on top of

538
00:33:04.519 --> 00:33:08.839
this argument a little bit. But theoretically speaking, anybody who

539
00:33:08.920 --> 00:33:11.480
doesn't think that their government is doing them justice has

540
00:33:11.559 --> 00:33:14.319
the right to do what they need to do to

541
00:33:14.400 --> 00:33:18.319
make things happen. So I'm I'm I'm thinking that the

542
00:33:18.440 --> 00:33:22.279
Maquis absolutely were justified in forming and so I'm on

543
00:33:22.319 --> 00:33:22.839
the yes side.

544
00:33:22.880 --> 00:33:23.000
Of this.

545
00:33:23.200 --> 00:33:25.480
What do you guys think, I'm going to have to

546
00:33:25.559 --> 00:33:28.359
move to Canada with GM Chris. You know, I'm out

547
00:33:28.400 --> 00:33:33.759
of here later, you know. So you guys don't remember.

548
00:33:34.279 --> 00:33:38.440
But Eddington also took off and joined the Maquis and.

549
00:33:39.519 --> 00:33:41.279
They were using Michael Edgington.

550
00:33:41.480 --> 00:33:44.400
Yeah, yeah, he was Krawl in that Krawl movie. A

551
00:33:44.440 --> 00:33:47.640
lot of people don't know that with that five fingered

552
00:33:48.000 --> 00:33:50.519
blade thing that would I forget it anyways.

553
00:33:50.200 --> 00:33:52.079
I mean Michael Eddington wasn't, but the actor was.

554
00:33:52.279 --> 00:33:57.119
The actor was. Yeah. The Maquis were using illegal weapons

555
00:33:57.440 --> 00:34:01.720
as well. They were using aolytic weapon or something like that,

556
00:34:02.400 --> 00:34:07.480
and Cisco was sent to apprehend them, and Cisco was

557
00:34:07.519 --> 00:34:10.199
a badass and he didn't take any shit from them.

558
00:34:10.639 --> 00:34:16.000
But where they justified? I mean, yes, they're justified in

559
00:34:16.079 --> 00:34:18.199
doing whatever they think they need to do to protect

560
00:34:18.199 --> 00:34:22.400
their homes. And unfortunately they don't have a crystal ball

561
00:34:22.920 --> 00:34:25.119
so they can't see that in the future, the Dominion

562
00:34:25.199 --> 00:34:26.639
is going to come along and the gem Adar are

563
00:34:26.679 --> 00:34:30.360
going to wipe them all off, so they don't know that,

564
00:34:30.519 --> 00:34:34.000
but we do. So yeah, I think they're justified. Absolutely,

565
00:34:34.440 --> 00:34:38.280
I think they're justified. So I'm with dominions on this one.

566
00:34:39.239 --> 00:34:44.360
What about you, David, Oh, nobody likes to have anybody

567
00:34:44.440 --> 00:34:47.639
coming to their property and say I'm going to give

568
00:34:47.639 --> 00:34:50.400
your property over to somebody else. That to me, I

569
00:34:50.480 --> 00:34:54.159
think is a call for any kind of in this

570
00:34:54.360 --> 00:34:58.960
case of rebellion in a sense, because once your people

571
00:34:59.159 --> 00:35:04.360
start to uh get a lot of their stuff taken away,

572
00:35:04.599 --> 00:35:09.239
I can imagine people reacting to the oppotion and getting

573
00:35:10.000 --> 00:35:12.400
mad to the point where it's just like, of course,

574
00:35:12.760 --> 00:35:16.599
if you have family in those situations, you're gonna probably

575
00:35:16.719 --> 00:35:20.400
join them eventually, right, So to me, I think, yeah,

576
00:35:20.920 --> 00:35:23.559
I'm gonna have to agree with the minions on this

577
00:35:23.679 --> 00:35:30.280
one as well, that the resistance, the decision that they

578
00:35:30.559 --> 00:35:33.920
made to split from the Federation probably was the right

579
00:35:34.559 --> 00:35:41.079
thing to do, and a human, ah, what's the emotions?

580
00:35:42.320 --> 00:35:45.599
So to me, yeah, I think that I would probably

581
00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:47.760
join them too if the Federation just gave all my

582
00:35:47.880 --> 00:35:52.880
property away, and that would be horrible. So yeah, I'm

583
00:35:52.920 --> 00:35:53.880
agreeing with the minions.

584
00:35:55.599 --> 00:35:58.320
So how about you, Charles, Are you with the minions

585
00:35:58.440 --> 00:35:59.800
or against dominions.

586
00:36:01.920 --> 00:36:04.400
I'm gonna go sort of an Eric on this one

587
00:36:04.480 --> 00:36:08.960
with that fifty to fifty. Okay, Another Marquis Thomas Reiker,

588
00:36:10.920 --> 00:36:16.280
but it's like, Okay, Eric reminded me, did we have

589
00:36:16.360 --> 00:36:18.679
a similar theme in this in one of the novels

590
00:36:20.079 --> 00:36:25.559
about probably being transferred or given given up for the Federation.

591
00:36:25.760 --> 00:36:27.639
I remember which one is, but I think I remember

592
00:36:27.679 --> 00:36:36.920
this themed before. But it's yeah, but it's I understand

593
00:36:38.320 --> 00:36:41.079
kind of losing your home and not let's say, oh,

594
00:36:41.079 --> 00:36:45.559
I'm gonna not give up my home. Okay, you don't

595
00:36:45.599 --> 00:36:48.239
give up your home, then you give up the Righteous

596
00:36:48.280 --> 00:36:55.320
Federation's citizens. Yes, I could see you fighting against the Cardassians,

597
00:36:56.400 --> 00:37:03.760
but do you battle an arm for an arm? Do

598
00:37:03.880 --> 00:37:10.480
you sacrifice because the Guardassians killed off one or injured

599
00:37:10.599 --> 00:37:12.920
or killed off one group, so you have to go

600
00:37:13.239 --> 00:37:16.400
I guess tit for Tat's the phrase of going back

601
00:37:16.440 --> 00:37:18.280
and oh, yeah, well we have to kill this ship.

602
00:37:20.559 --> 00:37:21.639
Is it really.

603
00:37:24.039 --> 00:37:27.840
Being a big success when you're killing off both forces?

604
00:37:30.599 --> 00:37:33.199
That sounds like kind of the gang situation towards like

605
00:37:33.599 --> 00:37:36.239
I understand them want to protect their homeland, but.

606
00:37:38.199 --> 00:37:40.039
They really need to kill off.

607
00:37:42.519 --> 00:37:46.000
Yes, some of the officers might have been sacrificeable, but

608
00:37:46.679 --> 00:37:51.559
to kill off a whole ship for and all but

609
00:37:51.559 --> 00:37:58.880
its crew to sacrifice for your cause? As we ruse

610
00:37:58.960 --> 00:38:03.320
the phrase war as well. So I agree with some

611
00:38:03.440 --> 00:38:05.320
of the stuff they did, but I think some of

612
00:38:05.360 --> 00:38:10.119
their mannerisms was a poor choice. And later on, of course,

613
00:38:10.159 --> 00:38:13.960
we realize that Mosamaki do not make it through the

614
00:38:14.079 --> 00:38:16.360
war because of it.

615
00:38:23.000 --> 00:38:23.599
I'm caught in the.

616
00:38:23.599 --> 00:38:30.559
Middle, right in the middle. Well, how about you, Paul, Well, the.

617
00:38:30.599 --> 00:38:32.960
Question is all not about the stuff that happened later.

618
00:38:33.039 --> 00:38:37.800
The question is about did they did these civilians and officers?

619
00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:41.920
Do you agree that they had the right idea in

620
00:38:42.039 --> 00:38:45.840
terms of starting a resistance movement and leaving the federation right?

621
00:38:46.000 --> 00:38:48.280
And this is going to be a really interesting question

622
00:38:48.400 --> 00:38:51.320
to reflect back on because it really segues incredibly well

623
00:38:51.360 --> 00:38:53.039
into what we're going to be talking about tonight in

624
00:38:53.119 --> 00:38:54.760
the three episodes of and Or that we're going to

625
00:38:54.800 --> 00:38:58.559
be covering. Because when you have a government that starts

626
00:38:58.599 --> 00:39:03.519
to act for its own best interests over the best

627
00:39:03.639 --> 00:39:08.840
interests of his citizens, rebellion tends to happen sooner or later.

628
00:39:09.679 --> 00:39:12.000
And so I think, you know, I don't necessarily I

629
00:39:12.039 --> 00:39:14.440
think there's a segment default in terms of the key.

630
00:39:14.599 --> 00:39:18.639
I would say the writers in the writers' rooms at

631
00:39:18.719 --> 00:39:20.800
Paramount at the time, who I think kind of bungled

632
00:39:20.840 --> 00:39:23.440
the my key concept quite a bit, had good intentions,

633
00:39:23.519 --> 00:39:25.239
but they didn't know what to do with it once

634
00:39:25.280 --> 00:39:28.920
they had it, right, I think it kind of you know, yeah,

635
00:39:29.320 --> 00:39:33.159
twittered out ultimately in not you know, very cohesive way.

636
00:39:33.559 --> 00:39:36.239
But yeah, I think that they were basically responding, not

637
00:39:36.440 --> 00:39:39.960
unlike the people of Gorman that we're going to talk

638
00:39:39.960 --> 00:39:43.559
about in a bit, right, they saw that there the great, big,

639
00:39:45.079 --> 00:39:49.920
lugubrious organization of their government was you know, starting to

640
00:39:49.960 --> 00:39:53.599
behave inappropriately and just taking things that they wanted and

641
00:39:53.760 --> 00:39:56.880
using the law to enforce their own needs, not their

642
00:39:56.960 --> 00:40:00.599
citizens' needs. And yeah, I think that pisses people off,

643
00:40:00.800 --> 00:40:04.599
and very often they decide to leave or fight back.

644
00:40:05.039 --> 00:40:06.480
So I think you're going to see a lot more

645
00:40:06.519 --> 00:40:06.639
of that.

646
00:40:09.559 --> 00:40:11.800
I mean, I think I think the Marquis didn't stand

647
00:40:11.840 --> 00:40:14.159
a chance. I think they should have thought it through

648
00:40:14.159 --> 00:40:18.559
a little bit because it was what eight planets, was it,

649
00:40:19.360 --> 00:40:23.800
six colonies or something against the entire mt of the

650
00:40:23.880 --> 00:40:28.639
Federation and the Cardassian order. So it was a losing

651
00:40:28.760 --> 00:40:31.239
cause from the get go. If the Federation didn't crush them,

652
00:40:31.280 --> 00:40:34.039
the Cardassians definitely would. So I don't know what they

653
00:40:34.159 --> 00:40:34.840
hoped to gain.

654
00:40:35.119 --> 00:40:37.920
That sounds kind of like a like a one planet

655
00:40:38.079 --> 00:40:41.440
base rebellion against an entire empire. That's so weird.

656
00:40:41.840 --> 00:40:45.039
Yeah, it doesn't, you know, it just does.

657
00:40:45.360 --> 00:40:48.320
What I'm hearing is might makes right? Is that what

658
00:40:48.400 --> 00:40:50.599
I'm hearing. That's it sounds like what I'm hearing might

659
00:40:50.679 --> 00:40:53.199
makes right. And so it's why bothered rebelling if you know,

660
00:40:53.360 --> 00:40:58.800
it's even if it's the right, I should just go

661
00:40:58.880 --> 00:41:01.159
ahead and let them open camps and do whatever I

662
00:41:01.239 --> 00:41:01.559
want to do.

663
00:41:02.719 --> 00:41:04.559
You know, it was a lost cause from the get go.

664
00:41:04.679 --> 00:41:06.440
They should have just taken off and gone back to

665
00:41:06.519 --> 00:41:09.840
the Federation and lived happily ever after, is what they

666
00:41:09.840 --> 00:41:10.440
should have done.

667
00:41:10.880 --> 00:41:15.599
Okay, but anyway, very interesting, Yeah.

668
00:41:16.239 --> 00:41:21.760
Hmm, I wonder. All right, So that's our minions and

669
00:41:21.880 --> 00:41:25.400
our polls, and now we're going to turn the microphone

670
00:41:25.440 --> 00:41:29.440
over to Paul and he's going to jump into Star Wars.

671
00:41:29.280 --> 00:41:35.000
And or take that time again. Okay, all right, for

672
00:41:35.119 --> 00:41:37.039
the benefit of our friends at home who may not

673
00:41:37.119 --> 00:41:38.840
have been with us for the last couple of weeks,

674
00:41:38.880 --> 00:41:41.719
here's what we've been doing on this show. Of course,

675
00:41:41.840 --> 00:41:43.760
as a lot of people know and or has become

676
00:41:43.800 --> 00:41:47.800
a real sensation, it has just wrapped up its second

677
00:41:47.960 --> 00:41:51.000
season on Disney Plus, and the way they've done this

678
00:41:51.159 --> 00:41:54.199
show in terms of its releasing structure has been really unusual.

679
00:41:54.960 --> 00:41:58.000
What they've done is they've broken up a twelve episode

680
00:41:58.119 --> 00:42:04.039
season into four, our each arc being three episodes one, two, three, four, five, six,

681
00:42:04.559 --> 00:42:06.920
and then tonight we're focusing on the third of those

682
00:42:07.000 --> 00:42:11.360
four arcs seven, eight, and nine. Next week we'll be

683
00:42:11.480 --> 00:42:15.159
back here to cover the finale arc of the entire

684
00:42:15.320 --> 00:42:19.159
series ten, eleven, and twelve. So we're kind of at

685
00:42:19.199 --> 00:42:22.199
the number three of four juncture here at tonight, and

686
00:42:22.320 --> 00:42:24.159
what we do before we get into it is we

687
00:42:24.360 --> 00:42:27.000
just do a quick overview of each of the three

688
00:42:27.079 --> 00:42:29.239
episodes just to kind of put everyone on a level

689
00:42:29.280 --> 00:42:31.400
playing field here today. So we're just going to do

690
00:42:31.440 --> 00:42:34.559
a quick summary, just two or three minutes each of

691
00:42:34.800 --> 00:42:38.119
each of these episodes. Sound good? Has this been working? Fellas?

692
00:42:39.880 --> 00:42:40.599
One hundred percent?

693
00:42:41.079 --> 00:42:43.480
All right, sir, Thank you, Eric, appreciate it all right.

694
00:42:43.599 --> 00:42:47.519
Number seven is an episode entitled Messenger. So some time

695
00:42:47.559 --> 00:42:49.800
has passed and we are now in the year two

696
00:42:49.920 --> 00:42:52.840
bby so two years before the Battle of Yavin. For

697
00:42:52.960 --> 00:42:56.360
those who are not quite as Star Wars geeked out

698
00:42:56.440 --> 00:42:58.880
as the rest of us. So we're a couple of

699
00:42:58.920 --> 00:43:02.159
years away from the Battle of where Luke attacks the

700
00:43:02.239 --> 00:43:04.840
Death Stars. We're leading up to that. All these events

701
00:43:05.199 --> 00:43:09.440
of this series basically serve as a prequel to the

702
00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:11.679
movie Rogue One. I think most folks know that, but

703
00:43:11.679 --> 00:43:14.199
it's always nice to level set for the audience. Anyhow,

704
00:43:15.119 --> 00:43:17.199
year has passed since the last three episodes and this

705
00:43:17.320 --> 00:43:20.760
new arc begins. Wilman is now with the Yavin Cell.

706
00:43:20.880 --> 00:43:23.840
He's left Saugerera right, and so he is on that

707
00:43:24.039 --> 00:43:28.920
planet where everybody launches their X Wings from for the

708
00:43:28.960 --> 00:43:31.039
final battle at the end of the first Star Wars movie,

709
00:43:31.199 --> 00:43:33.519
right the Ubble base on Yavin, which is now in

710
00:43:33.599 --> 00:43:37.039
its infancy. It's really just being built, right, but there

711
00:43:37.079 --> 00:43:39.840
are X Wings there and they've taken over the old temples,

712
00:43:40.000 --> 00:43:44.519
and Wilman is now with those Cassian. Cassian and Or

713
00:43:44.679 --> 00:43:47.400
is recovering from a blaster burn that won't quite heal,

714
00:43:48.119 --> 00:43:51.719
and he has really stepped into this mode where he's

715
00:43:52.280 --> 00:43:57.000
you see a lot of him resisting commitment. At this point.

716
00:43:57.119 --> 00:43:59.320
He has feels he's lost a lot of trust and

717
00:43:59.440 --> 00:44:03.199
loss of truck is a huge theme in Dispatch of episodes.

718
00:44:03.280 --> 00:44:07.599
He's shielding his girlfriend Bix from Luthan at this point,

719
00:44:07.800 --> 00:44:11.760
and you're seeing a lot more of an imperial presence

720
00:44:12.159 --> 00:44:12.519
going on.

721
00:44:12.760 --> 00:44:12.880
Now.

722
00:44:13.440 --> 00:44:18.920
You're seeing the media the Coroscant news network, right, the

723
00:44:19.039 --> 00:44:22.000
Fox News of the Empire, if you will. They're delivering

724
00:44:22.079 --> 00:44:26.239
fabricated propaganda stories about the Gorman aggression on the planet

725
00:44:26.280 --> 00:44:29.239
Gorman that we visited in the previous three episode arcs. Right,

726
00:44:29.719 --> 00:44:34.000
Dedra Miro is instructed to create a situation that allows

727
00:44:34.079 --> 00:44:37.480
the Empire to declare martial law as soon as possible

728
00:44:38.079 --> 00:44:43.480
because the Empire wants the planet's calkite. It's basically a

729
00:44:43.599 --> 00:44:47.119
substitute for the crystals that they can use to help

730
00:44:47.199 --> 00:44:50.199
power the Death Star. Right, so calkite they want to

731
00:44:50.239 --> 00:44:53.159
basically strip mind the whole planet, which is kind of

732
00:44:53.280 --> 00:44:56.199
connected to Cassian's origin story of what happened to his

733
00:44:56.320 --> 00:44:58.599
planet if you go back to the first season. They

734
00:44:58.719 --> 00:45:02.440
want calkite, and there's a sense of impending dread in

735
00:45:02.719 --> 00:45:06.079
this first of the three episodes, right, Dedra is kind

736
00:45:06.119 --> 00:45:08.519
of losing some of her control and her agency, and

737
00:45:08.599 --> 00:45:11.960
she's got this new kind of field boss who's been

738
00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:18.599
assigned to work for her. Ostensibly Captain Kaido right. Cyril meanwhile,

739
00:45:18.920 --> 00:45:22.440
is starting to see how the differences between how the

740
00:45:22.519 --> 00:45:26.159
two different sides are being motivated, what motivates the Empire

741
00:45:26.679 --> 00:45:30.480
versus what motivates the freedom fighters and the rebellious factions

742
00:45:30.519 --> 00:45:33.079
of the Gorman Front right, And he's really starting to

743
00:45:33.159 --> 00:45:36.840
have some awakenings happen there. You're wondering where he's gonna go.

744
00:45:38.559 --> 00:45:41.159
The Empire we are seeing very clearly at this point

745
00:45:41.599 --> 00:45:43.280
for those of you who are paying attention to the

746
00:45:43.360 --> 00:45:46.920
last poll that we did, the Empire uses the law

747
00:45:47.039 --> 00:45:50.400
to break the law, right, That's what they do, and

748
00:45:50.639 --> 00:45:53.280
the Gorman Front of the rebellions on Gorman is trying

749
00:45:53.320 --> 00:45:57.079
to figure out basically how much can we take? You know,

750
00:45:57.480 --> 00:46:00.239
it becomes an emerging theme here, is it I aim

751
00:46:00.280 --> 00:46:02.920
to stand and fight? When is the time to fainally

752
00:46:02.960 --> 00:46:06.760
stop taking it and resort to violence. That's the question

753
00:46:06.920 --> 00:46:09.320
that they're faced with. And we'll talk a little bit

754
00:46:09.400 --> 00:46:13.320
more about how that theme emerges in these next couple

755
00:46:13.320 --> 00:46:18.159
of episodes after this. Because of that blasterburn that won't heal,

756
00:46:18.320 --> 00:46:22.119
Bicks takes Cassian to a force healer, and this is

757
00:46:22.199 --> 00:46:26.159
really the first tangible we don't get a lot of

758
00:46:26.280 --> 00:46:28.400
things like Jedi on this show. So this is kind

759
00:46:28.440 --> 00:46:30.400
of a big moment right where we see somebody who's

760
00:46:30.400 --> 00:46:32.880
not a Jedi, but it's somebody who's a practitioner of

761
00:46:33.320 --> 00:46:36.800
providing healing an insight using the Force, and she really

762
00:46:36.920 --> 00:46:41.840
sees that it's not just Jedi Nights or chosen ones

763
00:46:41.920 --> 00:46:44.880
like Anakin Skywalker and Luke Skywalker who are the chosen ones,

764
00:46:45.280 --> 00:46:49.280
but the Force will also identify particular individuals and use

765
00:46:49.360 --> 00:46:52.800
them as a vessel to achieve particular aims, and that's

766
00:46:52.800 --> 00:46:55.840
where she's coming from. Okay, this Force healer, she sees

767
00:46:55.920 --> 00:46:59.800
Cashian right away. She sees that he is being shaped

768
00:47:00.400 --> 00:47:03.639
for something, for some purpose. He has been gathering all

769
00:47:03.679 --> 00:47:07.440
of these experiences that have happened through Feryx and everything

770
00:47:07.480 --> 00:47:10.239
else in the first season, through everything else that's happened

771
00:47:10.239 --> 00:47:12.559
in this initial season here with the stealing of the

772
00:47:13.440 --> 00:47:16.519
Thai prototype, all these things that are experiences and people

773
00:47:16.559 --> 00:47:19.920
that he's been gathering his life experience. He's being shaped

774
00:47:19.960 --> 00:47:22.480
for something. And the way she explains it to him,

775
00:47:23.000 --> 00:47:27.840
it's like a sense of destiny and responsibility that she evokes,

776
00:47:28.039 --> 00:47:30.159
and it kind of is scary for Cassie and and

777
00:47:30.199 --> 00:47:32.599
he's not quite sure he's up for that. At this point,

778
00:47:32.679 --> 00:47:35.880
he is still shirking the idea of commitment, he is

779
00:47:35.960 --> 00:47:38.800
shirking the idea of responsibility. He's not sure who he

780
00:47:38.960 --> 00:47:42.320
can trust, and so he makes the decision to head

781
00:47:42.400 --> 00:47:45.760
back to Gorman. As this first of the three episodes

782
00:47:46.280 --> 00:47:52.840
ends scene okay, So there's that all right now that basically,

783
00:47:53.519 --> 00:47:56.199
like I said, okay, a sense of impending dread going

784
00:47:56.280 --> 00:47:58.719
on in this first episode. We're about to take the

785
00:47:58.760 --> 00:48:00.760
burners on the stove and turn them all the way

786
00:48:00.840 --> 00:48:04.480
up to eleven. The second episode, number eight, is one

787
00:48:04.599 --> 00:48:10.559
called who Are You Okay? And this is an intense episode.

788
00:48:10.719 --> 00:48:15.559
This is the episode that features the Gorman massacre itself,

789
00:48:16.400 --> 00:48:19.440
so a large amount of the action is on Gorman here,

790
00:48:19.599 --> 00:48:22.320
and the Imperials have opened to the Gorman Plaza back up,

791
00:48:22.960 --> 00:48:26.039
making it so all of the Gormans can come back inside.

792
00:48:26.840 --> 00:48:30.039
Dedra and Cyril, who have been a couple, are starting

793
00:48:30.079 --> 00:48:32.840
to lose their rose colored glasses here and they're both

794
00:48:32.920 --> 00:48:36.519
starting to see things as they actually are, you know,

795
00:48:36.639 --> 00:48:39.960
Dedra in terms of what the how the Empire is

796
00:48:39.960 --> 00:48:43.440
actually using her and taking her ideas and manipulating them

797
00:48:43.480 --> 00:48:46.920
for their own ends. Cyril in terms of his exposure

798
00:48:46.960 --> 00:48:50.199
at the Gorman Front and contrasting what they're fighting for,

799
00:48:50.480 --> 00:48:53.880
which versus what the Empire is fighting for. Right, he

800
00:48:54.039 --> 00:48:58.039
confronts Dedra rather violently to get to the truth because

801
00:48:58.039 --> 00:49:01.119
he's finally seeing the Empire for what it is. He's

802
00:49:01.239 --> 00:49:04.920
been an imperial operative this whole time, and what he's

803
00:49:05.000 --> 00:49:07.480
starting to come away from is not pleasant. What he's

804
00:49:07.480 --> 00:49:10.679
starting to see is not good. Lazine and the other

805
00:49:10.760 --> 00:49:13.320
members of the Gorman Front who are out there, they

806
00:49:13.679 --> 00:49:18.079
try to turn the crowd away from violence, right, say,

807
00:49:18.239 --> 00:49:21.760
don't use the molotov cocktails, don't succumb to taking the

808
00:49:21.840 --> 00:49:25.480
first acts of violence in this situation, because that's just

809
00:49:25.639 --> 00:49:29.000
what the Empire wants at this point. But the tension

810
00:49:29.119 --> 00:49:32.159
level is as high as you can go here. So

811
00:49:32.320 --> 00:49:36.280
the Empire sends out a squad to incite violence, and

812
00:49:38.159 --> 00:49:42.199
the Gorman are too noble essentially to fall for it.

813
00:49:42.559 --> 00:49:45.039
They're basically saying, let's not forget who we are. Let's,

814
00:49:45.159 --> 00:49:47.639
you know, sing the songs of ourselves. We are Gorman,

815
00:49:47.719 --> 00:49:50.360
and they're very much in tune with their history. They

816
00:49:50.480 --> 00:49:53.760
refuse to submit to it. They initially don't take de bait,

817
00:49:54.199 --> 00:49:59.280
they don't succumb to an act of violence. So Captain

818
00:49:59.360 --> 00:50:03.880
Kaido orders his sniper to open fire on their own men,

819
00:50:04.320 --> 00:50:07.920
to open fire on the Imperial officers that are their

820
00:50:08.000 --> 00:50:11.920
own people. Right, and after that happens, all hell breaks

821
00:50:12.000 --> 00:50:15.519
loose in the plaza on Gorman, and it's incredible violence.

822
00:50:16.000 --> 00:50:18.840
He sends out a whole squad of k X droids,

823
00:50:18.880 --> 00:50:21.440
which are incredibly scary, to go ahead and reach Havoc.

824
00:50:22.280 --> 00:50:25.039
Cyril understands at this point that he's been part of

825
00:50:25.119 --> 00:50:27.400
the lies, but he can't get past it, and he

826
00:50:27.719 --> 00:50:30.920
finds Cassian and gets into a huge fight with Cassian.

827
00:50:31.000 --> 00:50:33.639
It is one of the bloodiest knockdown dragouts you will see.

828
00:50:34.199 --> 00:50:37.079
It's just brutal and graphic, and they are just going

829
00:50:37.199 --> 00:50:42.519
after each other. Right. He has been obsessively pursuing Cassian

830
00:50:42.679 --> 00:50:45.800
in all of season one, right because he believes that

831
00:50:45.920 --> 00:50:49.599
Cassian is the one who's responsible for his downfall. Yet

832
00:50:49.760 --> 00:50:54.440
Cassian is absolutely oblivious to Cyril's years of obsession. He

833
00:50:54.559 --> 00:50:58.719
doesn't even recognize him, asking him who are you? And

834
00:50:59.320 --> 00:51:03.320
it's the very questioned Cyril has been asking himself as

835
00:51:03.360 --> 00:51:07.079
he tries to decide where his real moral compass is

836
00:51:07.480 --> 00:51:10.639
what does he believe it? And I had high hopes

837
00:51:10.679 --> 00:51:12.519
for Cyril that he was going to turn over and

838
00:51:12.719 --> 00:51:16.039
move into the light and join the front, join the Alliance,

839
00:51:16.119 --> 00:51:19.239
and join the rebels on there and decide that that's

840
00:51:19.320 --> 00:51:22.360
who he is, because that's the question he's been grappling with.

841
00:51:22.920 --> 00:51:26.719
But he was just into deep and that last bit

842
00:51:26.800 --> 00:51:31.880
of his reality shatters there in that moment with Cassie

843
00:51:31.920 --> 00:51:34.159
and where he realizes that he just doesn't even matter

844
00:51:34.239 --> 00:51:36.079
to him, He doesn't even know who he is. He

845
00:51:36.119 --> 00:51:39.239
has this moment of existential dread, and then he is

846
00:51:39.280 --> 00:51:42.840
shot down dead by Carl Rylands, the Gorman Resistance leader,

847
00:51:42.880 --> 00:51:45.639
which was really a shocking moment. I did not see

848
00:51:45.719 --> 00:51:48.679
that coming. That was not what I expected for Cyril

849
00:51:48.840 --> 00:51:52.000
at all, And we can talk about that in a

850
00:51:52.039 --> 00:51:54.679
little bit find out if anyone else was shocked by

851
00:51:54.719 --> 00:51:57.239
that as I was. I really had hopes that Cyril

852
00:51:57.280 --> 00:52:01.039
would find some redemption and maybe go up against Dedra Moore,

853
00:52:01.480 --> 00:52:05.280
but that didn't happen. So a big theme on this show,

854
00:52:05.360 --> 00:52:11.840
Friends is characters and groups coming to realizations when it's

855
00:52:11.920 --> 00:52:15.280
too late. I think that's a lot of what's being

856
00:52:15.639 --> 00:52:17.760
conveyed here. I think that's a lot of the messaging

857
00:52:17.800 --> 00:52:22.039
that we see. Stop distrusting and start cooperating each other,

858
00:52:22.199 --> 00:52:24.199
because the clock is ticking and you need to come

859
00:52:24.280 --> 00:52:29.000
together and find trust before it's too late. Cassian is

860
00:52:29.159 --> 00:52:32.159
outside of the plaza and he's pursued by a KX droid,

861
00:52:32.199 --> 00:52:33.800
but he gets saved by one of the members of

862
00:52:33.840 --> 00:52:37.719
the Front, Sam Willmond, helps Cassian load the remains of

863
00:52:37.800 --> 00:52:40.559
the broken down droid that Sam shot into a transport

864
00:52:40.639 --> 00:52:43.199
before he goes off to find Drina. And then we

865
00:52:43.360 --> 00:52:46.239
hear Drina, who is another member of the Gorman Front.

866
00:52:46.280 --> 00:52:49.400
She's broadcasting the truth about what happened on her radio

867
00:52:49.960 --> 00:52:53.159
right She's saying, pass the message on that this is

868
00:52:53.239 --> 00:52:57.360
an insurrection, that this was murder. And meanwhile we hear

869
00:52:57.400 --> 00:53:02.760
the imperial propagandist Morning the Laws of Imperial Heroes that

870
00:53:02.840 --> 00:53:06.840
we just saw killing thousands of people, using their deaths

871
00:53:06.960 --> 00:53:09.840
to soak fear of further rebel activity. And we even

872
00:53:09.880 --> 00:53:14.800
see Cyril's mom at home learning of his death, watching

873
00:53:14.920 --> 00:53:18.559
the news and learning of her son's death Fox news style.

874
00:53:19.280 --> 00:53:24.840
So it's a really powerful, incredibly harsh episode. Its relevance

875
00:53:24.880 --> 00:53:28.760
to the times we live in cannot possibly be overstated.

876
00:53:28.880 --> 00:53:33.159
I just think it's an incredibly rough episode, absolutely riveting.

877
00:53:33.480 --> 00:53:38.119
They cannot possibly recommend this enough. The way this is shot,

878
00:53:39.199 --> 00:53:42.039
the way it's cut together, the sense of they use

879
00:53:42.199 --> 00:53:45.920
music very effectively when they're ratcheting up to tension on

880
00:53:46.039 --> 00:53:48.960
this show, a lot of different sequences have done it

881
00:53:49.119 --> 00:53:51.840
very effectively, and this one did as well. And just

882
00:53:51.920 --> 00:53:53.840
showing that the Empire is willing to shoot its own

883
00:53:54.199 --> 00:53:58.840
his own guys to get away with creating a justification

884
00:53:59.079 --> 00:54:04.079
for wreaking, it's just chilling, absolutely chilling. So one should

885
00:54:04.079 --> 00:54:07.360
watch this, this particular episode and then look around would

886
00:54:07.400 --> 00:54:09.159
be what I would encourage you. So that's my wrap

887
00:54:09.280 --> 00:54:13.280
up for episode eight. We got one more to do,

888
00:54:13.679 --> 00:54:17.599
episode nine, and it's a doozy Welcome to the Rebellion.

889
00:54:18.679 --> 00:54:22.400
Balk On Corussan, the Gorman senator who's there, is all

890
00:54:22.440 --> 00:54:25.360
of a sudden just arrested for no reason because he's Gorman,

891
00:54:25.559 --> 00:54:29.519
and it's very it's very plaintive, it's very thirties Germany.

892
00:54:29.639 --> 00:54:32.519
Will no one help me? He cries out, as it's

893
00:54:32.639 --> 00:54:37.639
my people today and yours tomorrow. Senator man Mathma goes

894
00:54:37.719 --> 00:54:41.079
up to Senator Baiale Organa and says that she intends

895
00:54:41.119 --> 00:54:44.800
to speak out. And we've been waiting for this speech forever.

896
00:54:45.000 --> 00:54:47.800
We know this is in canon. We've heard about this

897
00:54:48.119 --> 00:54:51.239
all the way back through like Star Wars Rebels. We

898
00:54:51.480 --> 00:54:55.079
know that man Mathma, who we originally saw as leader

899
00:54:55.119 --> 00:54:57.719
of the in Turn of the Jeddah. We know that

900
00:54:57.840 --> 00:55:01.679
she makes a speech to this that basically brands her

901
00:55:01.920 --> 00:55:05.800
a revolutionary and if she makes this speech the way

902
00:55:05.880 --> 00:55:08.119
she intends to, it's going to make her a fugitive.

903
00:55:08.519 --> 00:55:12.000
And so she's preparing for this in a very realistic fashion.

904
00:55:12.599 --> 00:55:15.519
They find a listening device in her office, which is

905
00:55:15.599 --> 00:55:17.960
not a good thing, right because she's being Every movie

906
00:55:18.079 --> 00:55:20.920
is being watched, everything she says is being listened to.

907
00:55:21.440 --> 00:55:24.360
So she goes outside of the building and she ends

908
00:55:24.440 --> 00:55:27.559
up locking antlers with Luthan. Okay, and there is an

909
00:55:27.639 --> 00:55:32.159
incredible amount of distrust between them, again this disturbing trend

910
00:55:32.239 --> 00:55:34.840
of can I trust people? I don't have enough trust.

911
00:55:35.239 --> 00:55:38.840
My trust has been broken. Luthan tells her that Bail's

912
00:55:38.960 --> 00:55:42.960
evacuation team basically who is going to be responsible for

913
00:55:43.079 --> 00:55:45.679
whisking her to safety after she makes the speech that

914
00:55:45.800 --> 00:55:49.360
that evacuation team has been infiltrated and that she should

915
00:55:49.400 --> 00:55:53.840
instead leave with his agent instead. Now we know that

916
00:55:54.000 --> 00:55:56.559
his agent is Cassian, and that's the right thing to do,

917
00:55:57.039 --> 00:55:59.320
but Mon isn't sure at all. She doesn't know who

918
00:55:59.440 --> 00:56:02.360
to trust. How can she know that Cassian isn't the

919
00:56:02.480 --> 00:56:05.639
assassin and that Luthan is setting her up because she

920
00:56:05.880 --> 00:56:10.079
knows how ruthless Luthan is capable of being. So it

921
00:56:10.199 --> 00:56:13.480
is incredibly tense. It is incredibly high stakes because if

922
00:56:13.519 --> 00:56:18.599
she's captured, it is the end of everything. Meanwhile, on

923
00:56:18.719 --> 00:56:21.239
the Senate, before she's getting ready to come up, the

924
00:56:21.360 --> 00:56:24.679
senators are spitting out lies that it was Gorman who

925
00:56:24.760 --> 00:56:30.639
massacred imperials. Propaganda, propaganda, propaganda. Then bail Organa uses his

926
00:56:30.800 --> 00:56:34.840
imperial speaking protocols basically to create an opening that grants

927
00:56:34.920 --> 00:56:41.360
Mon Mathma time to speak using the rules and protocols

928
00:56:42.320 --> 00:56:45.639
that the Empire themselves have established against them, which is

929
00:56:45.760 --> 00:56:49.199
really amazing. And she comes up to speak and Genevieve

930
00:56:49.239 --> 00:56:54.159
O'Reilly kills it in this sequence. She absolutely just can

931
00:56:54.679 --> 00:56:57.599
just nukes it. She condemns the Emperor for the Gorman

932
00:56:57.719 --> 00:57:01.800
massacre and for the death of truth. So many people

933
00:57:01.920 --> 00:57:05.000
have been positioned for this moment to make it successful.

934
00:57:05.039 --> 00:57:07.159
We see that there are IT crews that have been

935
00:57:07.199 --> 00:57:09.360
set up there so that they can't turn off the

936
00:57:09.480 --> 00:57:12.119
audio feed, so that as much as the Empire is

937
00:57:12.199 --> 00:57:15.000
trying to disconnect and pull the plug, it gets out anyway.

938
00:57:16.239 --> 00:57:19.679
It is absolutely remarkable speech. It is superbly performed by her.

939
00:57:19.760 --> 00:57:22.159
It is absolutely amazing, and it is written like it

940
00:57:22.320 --> 00:57:24.440
was written in response to things going on in our world.

941
00:57:24.599 --> 00:57:28.719
Right effing now, I mean, it is the most timely thing.

942
00:57:28.840 --> 00:57:31.360
I just cannot even really believe it's on television, let

943
00:57:31.360 --> 00:57:34.119
alone Star Wars, but it's the most timely thing you're

944
00:57:34.239 --> 00:57:36.960
likely to see on television. That's the work of fiction

945
00:57:37.480 --> 00:57:40.199
this year. And I wish it wasn't so timely, but

946
00:57:40.360 --> 00:57:44.360
there you have it. So it is just remarkable. Cassie

947
00:57:44.400 --> 00:57:47.880
and finds mon Mathma after her speech. It's incredibly exciting

948
00:57:47.960 --> 00:57:49.559
because he has to get her out of there while

949
00:57:49.599 --> 00:57:52.119
all of the ISB is circling throughout the Senate building

950
00:57:52.480 --> 00:57:56.559
trying to find her there, including all of these you

951
00:57:56.639 --> 00:58:02.199
know agents who have infiltrated Baals Team, all ib Assassins. Essentially, right,

952
00:58:03.880 --> 00:58:08.159
Cassiano has absolutely no hesitation about killing agents who get

953
00:58:08.239 --> 00:58:10.880
in the way of their escape, including Mon Mathma's chauffeur,

954
00:58:11.239 --> 00:58:12.920
and the look of shock on her face when he

955
00:58:13.000 --> 00:58:14.639
blows away those people to get in the way. It

956
00:58:14.760 --> 00:58:17.440
is just shocking because he is no compunction. It's like

957
00:58:17.480 --> 00:58:19.800
when he needs to be an assassin. Cassian is an

958
00:58:19.800 --> 00:58:22.400
assassin and he does not hesitate. He just shoots them

959
00:58:22.480 --> 00:58:24.599
right in front of her, and she's stunned by that.

960
00:58:24.880 --> 00:58:27.920
She is trading the weapons of the Senate for the

961
00:58:27.960 --> 00:58:31.760
weapons of violence, and it's a shock. It's like, welcome

962
00:58:31.800 --> 00:58:36.039
to the real world, Welcome to the rebellion. And the

963
00:58:36.159 --> 00:58:39.039
loss of mon chauffeur, who's been eavesdropping on their conversations

964
00:58:39.039 --> 00:58:41.239
without her knowledge for the entire show is just amazing.

965
00:58:42.000 --> 00:58:46.920
They escape to Coruscant safehouse where we've seen him and

966
00:58:47.000 --> 00:58:49.679
Bicks hanging out for the last three episodes, where Mon

967
00:58:49.760 --> 00:58:52.039
will be taken away by a different ship and a

968
00:58:52.199 --> 00:58:55.679
Javin escort. They're going to head out to Dantuein where

969
00:58:55.760 --> 00:58:58.000
she can make another speech that will unite all the

970
00:58:58.079 --> 00:59:01.519
rebel selves into the alliance that we know about formally.

971
00:59:01.639 --> 00:59:04.519
Watching Star Wars right now. If you're really curious to

972
00:59:04.559 --> 00:59:07.440
see this, you can go watch the excellent animated series

973
00:59:07.760 --> 00:59:13.960
Star Wars Rebels, season three, episode eighteen, and it basically

974
00:59:14.039 --> 00:59:17.440
depicts exactly all of the events that happened after that

975
00:59:18.639 --> 00:59:20.920
Javi and escort group picks her up so she can

976
00:59:21.000 --> 00:59:22.639
make that second speech, and you can see it. It's

977
00:59:22.639 --> 00:59:25.159
almost like a sequel the way it's done. Star Wars

978
00:59:25.239 --> 00:59:27.360
Rebels is some of the best Star Wars content you'll

979
00:59:27.440 --> 00:59:29.480
ever see. It has helped shape all of the good

980
00:59:29.519 --> 00:59:32.239
stuff that has come since the original trilogy, and it's

981
00:59:32.360 --> 00:59:36.320
extremely well written. I highly recommend it. So season three,

982
00:59:36.440 --> 00:59:39.360
episode eighteen, it's a nice little kapper. After watching this

983
00:59:39.480 --> 00:59:45.920
particular episode, Cassie in after he's done rescuing mon he

984
00:59:46.039 --> 00:59:51.000
tells Bicks that he intends to stay with her again loyalty.

985
00:59:51.199 --> 00:59:54.480
He doesn't want to commit fully to the full Rebel

986
00:59:54.480 --> 00:59:56.880
alliance at this point, but there's a sense you have

987
00:59:57.079 --> 01:00:01.320
from her that she knows that he has a greater

988
01:00:01.440 --> 01:00:06.199
destiny left to perform and that she can't stay. And

989
01:00:06.320 --> 01:00:08.360
then we have a closing scene it shows that they

990
01:00:08.480 --> 01:00:14.719
have basically got K two SOO rewired, reprogrammed and is reactivated,

991
01:00:15.320 --> 01:00:18.199
and that is the end of that episode. That wraps

992
01:00:18.320 --> 01:00:24.280
up our summary. Recap of the third arc, episode seven, eight,

993
01:00:24.440 --> 01:00:28.559
and nine. What did we think of this group of episodes?

994
01:00:28.599 --> 01:00:34.360
Friends, Well, who wants to be the engine in this one?

995
01:00:34.360 --> 01:00:35.440
Who wants to take lead?

996
01:00:36.960 --> 01:00:37.159
Well?

997
01:00:37.239 --> 01:00:40.679
I can I feel comfortable doing that? So Paul first

998
01:00:40.719 --> 01:00:44.760
and foremost, Buddy, that summary was unbelievable, Like it really

999
01:00:45.000 --> 01:00:47.800
brought me back into every single one of those episodes.

1000
01:00:47.840 --> 01:00:50.840
I think that you pointed out many of the very

1001
01:00:50.920 --> 01:00:53.719
salient points in them, and I just want to amend

1002
01:00:53.760 --> 01:00:56.519
you for not only doing that, but for having the

1003
01:00:57.320 --> 01:01:02.079
tie into Rebels at the ready. That was amazing. I

1004
01:01:02.159 --> 01:01:05.719
need to go back and rewatch that episode. So so

1005
01:01:05.880 --> 01:01:08.559
episode seven, eight, nine, each one has such a different

1006
01:01:08.719 --> 01:01:11.480
tone to them, and I think that that's what I

1007
01:01:11.599 --> 01:01:16.000
found most interesting about this arc. I remember watching episode

1008
01:01:16.119 --> 01:01:19.599
seven and kind of thinking to myself, Gosh, this this

1009
01:01:19.760 --> 01:01:22.960
is kind of boring. There's not really much going on,

1010
01:01:24.719 --> 01:01:28.639
you know, some of the the the pacing of the show,

1011
01:01:28.679 --> 01:01:32.559
which is naturally kind of had a real intent to it,

1012
01:01:33.480 --> 01:01:35.800
just felt a little even slower to me. And I

1013
01:01:36.280 --> 01:01:39.119
just wasn't I wasn't really kind of feeling it in

1014
01:01:39.239 --> 01:01:42.800
episode seven, and then episode eight hit and I was like,

1015
01:01:42.880 --> 01:01:46.480
holy crap, Okay, not only is this episode amazing, but

1016
01:01:46.639 --> 01:01:48.960
now I see why they did all of the stuff

1017
01:01:49.000 --> 01:01:51.320
that they did in seven, because they really needed that

1018
01:01:51.559 --> 01:01:54.760
to be able to launch into this story that they

1019
01:01:54.800 --> 01:01:57.119
were going to tell about the Gorman massacre.

1020
01:01:56.840 --> 01:01:58.199
In episode slow burn.

1021
01:01:58.360 --> 01:02:01.000
Right, it's a slow burn, and you have to have

1022
01:02:01.320 --> 01:02:06.920
the precursor because if you don't, the Gorman massacre feels

1023
01:02:07.000 --> 01:02:10.079
like it goes on too long. Where it doesn't, it

1024
01:02:10.239 --> 01:02:12.480
just doesn't have the same kind of effect to me.

1025
01:02:13.840 --> 01:02:17.000
So I really appreciated episode seven much more after I

1026
01:02:17.119 --> 01:02:20.239
saw episode eight, and then of course episode nine kind

1027
01:02:20.239 --> 01:02:22.559
of shows that aftermath and I agree with one hundred

1028
01:02:22.559 --> 01:02:27.000
percent of what you said about manmathaus speech and all

1029
01:02:27.079 --> 01:02:29.599
of the kind of like political interplay going on there.

1030
01:02:29.760 --> 01:02:32.320
So let me see, let me come out on a

1031
01:02:32.360 --> 01:02:33.320
few specific things.

1032
01:02:33.400 --> 01:02:35.840
So I got to mention one thing for you, yeah,

1033
01:02:36.000 --> 01:02:38.119
personally if I can, just because I think you're like this,

1034
01:02:38.320 --> 01:02:43.519
like this episode, right, that incredible depiction of the city

1035
01:02:43.599 --> 01:02:47.440
of Arts of the Imperial Center, right, I mean, and

1036
01:02:47.800 --> 01:02:49.920
you're an architect, right, So I got to point this

1037
01:02:50.000 --> 01:02:51.800
out to you, right, because you look at this and

1038
01:02:51.840 --> 01:02:53.760
it's so tempting to go, oh wow, it's just you know,

1039
01:02:53.920 --> 01:02:57.599
digital effects whatnot. That is a real building, yeah, I

1040
01:02:57.679 --> 01:02:57.960
mean I.

1041
01:03:00.679 --> 01:03:00.960
Building.

1042
01:03:01.119 --> 01:03:03.840
Yeah, it's the City of Arts and Sciences in Blencia, Spain.

1043
01:03:03.920 --> 01:03:06.679
It's huge, it's absolutely massive, and it's just it looks

1044
01:03:06.719 --> 01:03:09.000
like it it looks Is that a Cala Trava building.

1045
01:03:09.079 --> 01:03:11.039
It looks like a Santiago Cola Trava building.

1046
01:03:11.239 --> 01:03:13.920
It is it is absolutely yeah, yeah, it's just what

1047
01:03:14.039 --> 01:03:16.920
an epic, epic location and it just fits so perfectly.

1048
01:03:17.039 --> 01:03:18.519
I just wanted to make sure I didn't mention that before.

1049
01:03:18.599 --> 01:03:21.800
But it's just the the use of real, tangible locations

1050
01:03:21.840 --> 01:03:25.840
instead of just digital effects is so replete throughout this series.

1051
01:03:25.960 --> 01:03:26.719
So done.

1052
01:03:26.760 --> 01:03:29.960
Absolutely, no, no, no, that's that's great, dude. And in

1053
01:03:30.079 --> 01:03:33.159
Santiago Collage. Trava's whole thing as an architect is to

1054
01:03:33.280 --> 01:03:36.719
depict organic forms in these kind of like most amazing

1055
01:03:38.079 --> 01:03:40.880
past concrete ways. We actually have a couple of buildings

1056
01:03:40.920 --> 01:03:43.719
of his in the United States if you if you

1057
01:03:43.840 --> 01:03:47.679
ever are in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, the Milwaukee Art Museum is

1058
01:03:47.719 --> 01:03:50.559
an amazing example of his architecture that you can actually

1059
01:03:50.639 --> 01:03:53.000
go and see without leaving the country. But yeah, I

1060
01:03:53.199 --> 01:03:56.320
really really appreciate the sets and I'm so glad that

1061
01:03:56.360 --> 01:04:01.000
you brought that up. So episode I'm going to kind

1062
01:04:01.000 --> 01:04:04.199
of like skip over episode seven just because it was

1063
01:04:04.239 --> 01:04:06.360
kind of a lead up, and I don't really have

1064
01:04:06.400 --> 01:04:08.360
any specific stuff that I want to talk about about

1065
01:04:08.400 --> 01:04:14.119
that episode, but episode eight, okay, man, First of all,

1066
01:04:15.039 --> 01:04:19.280
this whole arc is a master class in government manipulation

1067
01:04:20.199 --> 01:04:24.159
and propaganda. And I think what you said about just

1068
01:04:24.360 --> 01:04:28.880
it feeling particularly salient these days, how people are constantly

1069
01:04:28.920 --> 01:04:31.519
trying to rewrite history, how people are constantly trying to

1070
01:04:32.320 --> 01:04:36.039
like steer the conversation, and it really doesn't matter how

1071
01:04:36.119 --> 01:04:39.159
many ways they lie or how many stories they tell

1072
01:04:39.199 --> 01:04:42.519
that have absolutely no truth to them. It's what's going

1073
01:04:42.599 --> 01:04:46.880
out to the masses. And it just feels really, really current.

1074
01:04:47.800 --> 01:04:49.840
And I'm assuming this was made like a year ago,

1075
01:04:50.079 --> 01:04:52.960
so the fact that it's hitting right now.

1076
01:04:53.840 --> 01:04:55.480
He wrote just like five years ago.

1077
01:04:55.760 --> 01:04:58.480
It's five years ago, okay, And it's just hitting so

1078
01:04:58.840 --> 01:05:06.360
hard right now. I'm like flabbergasted by the feeling that

1079
01:05:06.480 --> 01:05:10.519
this is just the exact right television show to be

1080
01:05:10.920 --> 01:05:13.679
on the air right now, in particular for people who

1081
01:05:14.840 --> 01:05:17.639
are interested in this kind of stuff and see correlation

1082
01:05:17.800 --> 01:05:20.400
between television shows and what's going on in real life.

1083
01:05:20.440 --> 01:05:26.599
So that first and foremost second of all the Gorman massacre,

1084
01:05:26.679 --> 01:05:31.599
and in particular the length of time that they spend

1085
01:05:31.880 --> 01:05:34.639
just with the group of people and seeing how the

1086
01:05:35.199 --> 01:05:38.639
mood of the group of people moves from Like I

1087
01:05:38.679 --> 01:05:40.519
can't remember what they're shouting at the beginning, but it's like,

1088
01:05:40.639 --> 01:05:43.119
we are Gorman, this and that, and it has kind

1089
01:05:43.159 --> 01:05:45.719
of this aggressive nature. And then the one guy starts singing,

1090
01:05:46.400 --> 01:05:50.079
and then the entire crowd starts singing. That had such

1091
01:05:50.199 --> 01:05:54.639
a like nineteen sixties kind of Martin Luther King feel

1092
01:05:54.800 --> 01:05:58.440
to it to me, and then of course the massacre happens,

1093
01:05:58.559 --> 01:06:01.880
and it just, I don't know, it touched my heart,

1094
01:06:02.000 --> 01:06:03.320
I think in a lot of ways. I think the

1095
01:06:03.400 --> 01:06:05.960
writing of that and the amount of time, the amount

1096
01:06:05.960 --> 01:06:08.800
of screen time that they allowed for that entire thing

1097
01:06:08.880 --> 01:06:13.559
to evolve was really amazing. I did not expect Cyril's death,

1098
01:06:14.320 --> 01:06:18.360
and the fight between him and Cassian was I think

1099
01:06:18.440 --> 01:06:21.400
the most violent fight that I've ever seen in Star Wars.

1100
01:06:22.079 --> 01:06:24.239
I mean, these guys were beating that absolute shit out

1101
01:06:24.280 --> 01:06:29.280
of each other, and you could feel that Cassian was

1102
01:06:29.360 --> 01:06:33.760
just trying to survive, whereas Cyril had years of aggression

1103
01:06:33.960 --> 01:06:38.679
built up that he was letting go on Cassian. The

1104
01:06:39.119 --> 01:06:43.199
performance of that fight I thought was outstanding, Like literally

1105
01:06:43.320 --> 01:06:45.599
one of the best fights I've ever seen. I mean,

1106
01:06:45.599 --> 01:06:47.239
it was hard to watch for me because I'm not

1107
01:06:47.280 --> 01:06:50.880
a guy who loves violence in general, but like you

1108
01:06:51.039 --> 01:06:54.519
could feel what the two people were feeling who were

1109
01:06:54.599 --> 01:06:57.960
fighting one another, and that to me is just not

1110
01:06:58.079 --> 01:07:00.519
only great writing and great choreography and stuff, but like

1111
01:07:00.719 --> 01:07:04.119
just the acting, the facial expressions, you know whatever.

1112
01:07:04.639 --> 01:07:04.840
It was.

1113
01:07:05.599 --> 01:07:12.440
It was crazy. Okay, uh, let me talk about Jed

1114
01:07:12.480 --> 01:07:15.639
dra Well, actually I'll talk about Dedriff for the next episode.

1115
01:07:16.400 --> 01:07:19.119
I feel like that episode of nine is kinda where

1116
01:07:19.159 --> 01:07:22.840
her things sort of all comes together, but more about

1117
01:07:22.880 --> 01:07:27.000
government and manipulation, the shooting their own officer in the head.

1118
01:07:27.079 --> 01:07:30.639
Not only that, but they sent these these these very

1119
01:07:30.800 --> 01:07:34.679
green officers into the crowd, right, Like I think it

1120
01:07:34.719 --> 01:07:38.800
was definitely yeah, they were literally like, these these kids

1121
01:07:39.119 --> 01:07:42.440
have no idea what they're doing. They just showed up,

1122
01:07:43.159 --> 01:07:46.440
you know, however long ago, and now we're sending them

1123
01:07:46.480 --> 01:07:50.239
into the crowd to literally be slaughtered. That just kind

1124
01:07:50.280 --> 01:07:53.639
of shows you that that this government is willing to

1125
01:07:53.800 --> 01:07:58.199
do whatever it takes to achieve its own goals, and

1126
01:07:58.280 --> 01:08:01.239
they're going to try and spin the store, but they

1127
01:08:01.280 --> 01:08:03.840
don't really have to write because they have so much power,

1128
01:08:03.880 --> 01:08:05.719
they don't really have to spin the story in too

1129
01:08:05.800 --> 01:08:09.920
many ways, so that kind of like propaganda thing just

1130
01:08:10.000 --> 01:08:13.960
really bleeds to the entire episode. Cyril's mom crying was

1131
01:08:14.320 --> 01:08:17.920
kind of cool because she's been kind of an interesting

1132
01:08:18.079 --> 01:08:19.760
I mean, you sort of see her as like a

1133
01:08:19.840 --> 01:08:23.319
comedic character almost because she's so over the top, but

1134
01:08:23.359 --> 01:08:25.439
then she actually like sheds a tear when she realizes

1135
01:08:25.479 --> 01:08:29.880
that her kid might have died during this massacre, So yeah,

1136
01:08:30.319 --> 01:08:37.000
I loved that. Lastly, that final episode, you know, Dedra

1137
01:08:37.199 --> 01:08:39.880
finally understands what's happening, and you see her kind of

1138
01:08:39.960 --> 01:08:42.319
have that freak out moment where she's putting her finger

1139
01:08:42.359 --> 01:08:44.880
in her collar and like she's shaking and stuff. And

1140
01:08:45.840 --> 01:08:48.159
I have to believe that at some point there were

1141
01:08:48.279 --> 01:08:51.319
Nazi officers that felt the same way, where they like

1142
01:08:51.439 --> 01:08:55.640
suddenly have this realization of what's actually happening and that

1143
01:08:56.359 --> 01:09:01.840
by just following orders, they have allowed these absolute atrocities

1144
01:09:01.880 --> 01:09:06.520
to happen. And it was amazing to see that depicted

1145
01:09:06.640 --> 01:09:09.680
on screen because we don't have film of that from

1146
01:09:09.720 --> 01:09:12.800
the nineteen thirties, Right, we kind of like understand it

1147
01:09:12.880 --> 01:09:15.399
in our heads, but we haven't visually seen it. In

1148
01:09:15.439 --> 01:09:18.479
As Americans, we love to have that kind of visual

1149
01:09:18.520 --> 01:09:22.319
input of television showing us how things actually go down.

1150
01:09:23.000 --> 01:09:24.920
So I just thought that scene where she kind of

1151
01:09:25.680 --> 01:09:30.560
finally loses it was endearing in a lot of ways.

1152
01:09:30.600 --> 01:09:34.600
There's a consequence to making these terrible, terrible decisions, and

1153
01:09:34.800 --> 01:09:37.359
she is on the leading edge of I mean you

1154
01:09:37.479 --> 01:09:39.880
even see it was that there was it that episode? No,

1155
01:09:39.920 --> 01:09:42.319
it was a previous episode right before the massacre where

1156
01:09:42.680 --> 01:09:47.119
she takes the phone call and she hesitates before she

1157
01:09:47.279 --> 01:09:50.039
gives the order to proceed, and that's all she says

1158
01:09:50.159 --> 01:09:54.439
is proceed. Man, just so good.

1159
01:09:55.079 --> 01:09:57.920
I all remember what do you remember what major partigas

1160
01:09:58.039 --> 01:10:02.119
how he describes what the end always function is. No,

1161
01:10:04.399 --> 01:10:06.720
it's it's it's like from season one. Basically, he looks

1162
01:10:06.800 --> 01:10:09.720
upon them as a healthcare provider, right, and he sees

1163
01:10:09.800 --> 01:10:13.239
that the rebellion is like a virus, right, and it's

1164
01:10:13.399 --> 01:10:17.640
our job to benevolently cleanse that virus from society for

1165
01:10:17.720 --> 01:10:20.840
the benefit of its citizens. Yeah, that's how we justifies it.

1166
01:10:20.920 --> 01:10:21.319
For himself.

1167
01:10:21.439 --> 01:10:25.000
I mean, I think most fascists would say the same thing, right,

1168
01:10:25.039 --> 01:10:28.680
I mean, we talked about like arians and ethnic cleansing

1169
01:10:28.800 --> 01:10:32.319
during World War Two. We talk about ways of life

1170
01:10:32.479 --> 01:10:36.079
that people in power now think are correct, uh, And

1171
01:10:36.239 --> 01:10:39.560
so they're willing to do things to make their ways

1172
01:10:39.600 --> 01:10:44.399
of life come to fruition, regardless of like what what

1173
01:10:44.520 --> 01:10:48.039
it leaves behind. I do think that death of Cyril

1174
01:10:49.119 --> 01:10:52.479
is really what kind of unanchored Dedra in a lot

1175
01:10:52.520 --> 01:10:55.000
of ways, Like I'm not sure she would have freaked

1176
01:10:55.039 --> 01:10:59.439
out in the same way had Cyril not been killed,

1177
01:10:59.479 --> 01:11:02.239
and had they had this kind of dream realization of

1178
01:11:02.319 --> 01:11:04.319
them going away to some place, right, she was like,

1179
01:11:04.800 --> 01:11:06.560
we're gonna be fine. We're gonna like get out of

1180
01:11:06.600 --> 01:11:08.479
here and we're gonna be a couple and things are

1181
01:11:08.520 --> 01:11:12.039
gonna be great. Well, that's the like ostrich head in

1182
01:11:12.119 --> 01:11:14.640
the sand kind of defense. Right, as long as I

1183
01:11:14.720 --> 01:11:17.319
don't see what's happening, as long as I don't understand

1184
01:11:17.359 --> 01:11:20.199
what's happening, then it's all fine and it's all okay.

1185
01:11:20.680 --> 01:11:24.239
So I think Cyril dying was a at least fifty

1186
01:11:24.279 --> 01:11:27.279
percent of the reason of why uh Dedra finally kind

1187
01:11:27.279 --> 01:11:29.760
of like comes to this realization and starts freaking out

1188
01:11:29.760 --> 01:11:32.479
about things. I'm taking a lot of time. I also

1189
01:11:32.720 --> 01:11:36.560
just want to, like finally say, Monmouth as speech unbelievable.

1190
01:11:37.520 --> 01:11:41.359
The way that they used the Senate's own rules against them,

1191
01:11:42.279 --> 01:11:48.159
like unbelievable. I just thought that was fantastic. So I

1192
01:11:48.359 --> 01:11:53.199
almost wondered to myself if, like, if certain elements in

1193
01:11:53.359 --> 01:11:57.840
the world get a more entrenched hold than they already have.

1194
01:11:58.199 --> 01:12:02.560
I almost wonder if and or Or will be like forgotten,

1195
01:12:03.039 --> 01:12:06.079
you know, because this stuff is so salient to what's

1196
01:12:06.199 --> 01:12:10.439
going on right now. So I'm just gonna say I

1197
01:12:10.600 --> 01:12:12.479
love this argum. This is probably my favorite arc of

1198
01:12:12.560 --> 01:12:14.520
the whole series. And I think this series has been

1199
01:12:14.600 --> 01:12:16.960
hitting pretty hard so far. But I love a good

1200
01:12:17.000 --> 01:12:19.880
political drama. I love dou Space nine, and this, to

1201
01:12:20.000 --> 01:12:23.079
me was just really really on points. So I give

1202
01:12:23.239 --> 01:12:25.880
this whole thing. If we're giving it numbers, this is

1203
01:12:25.960 --> 01:12:28.199
a nine point five to me. This is right up

1204
01:12:28.239 --> 01:12:30.199
there with some of the best television I've ever seen

1205
01:12:30.199 --> 01:12:30.720
in my life.

1206
01:12:31.319 --> 01:12:34.760
You watched ten, eleven, twelve, yet I have not? Okay, Yeah,

1207
01:12:34.880 --> 01:12:38.279
I can't wait to get back here next Thursday. Awesome. Yeah,

1208
01:12:38.640 --> 01:12:41.439
that's all I'm gonna say, Okay, yeah, a lot of time,

1209
01:12:41.479 --> 01:12:43.800
a lot of time. So that's me.

1210
01:12:44.760 --> 01:12:47.119
Well, I did watch I did watch ten, eleven and twelve,

1211
01:12:47.119 --> 01:12:50.079
but I'm not going to talk about it. I do

1212
01:12:50.199 --> 01:12:53.520
have a question, though, why does storm troopers bothering wearing armor?

1213
01:12:53.600 --> 01:12:56.359
What is the purpose of it? It doesn't protect them

1214
01:12:56.399 --> 01:12:59.560
from anything. They a pigeon flies over, craps on their

1215
01:12:59.600 --> 01:13:02.840
head and dead. I mean, what does this armor do?

1216
01:13:03.119 --> 01:13:04.159
What is their purpose?

1217
01:13:04.479 --> 01:13:07.319
Well, you know, Jim, Jim, here's what I'll say. It

1218
01:13:07.439 --> 01:13:11.279
does the same thing that masks on ice agents does,

1219
01:13:11.520 --> 01:13:14.840
which is fight their identity. And at this point, they're

1220
01:13:14.920 --> 01:13:18.520
no longer clones, right, at this point, they have individual identities.

1221
01:13:19.159 --> 01:13:22.279
So it may not do anything to actually protect them,

1222
01:13:22.319 --> 01:13:27.079
but it sure does keep them from having any sort

1223
01:13:27.079 --> 01:13:29.039
of identity that people can I mean, you.

1224
01:13:29.039 --> 01:13:31.359
Know, I think we can't really talk about this too

1225
01:13:31.439 --> 01:13:33.239
much until next week. But one of the things this

1226
01:13:33.319 --> 01:13:35.520
show has done that's really cool is it has made

1227
01:13:35.600 --> 01:13:38.840
stormtroopers frightening again, right, And we need to talk a

1228
01:13:38.880 --> 01:13:40.920
little bit more about this next week. But you used

1229
01:13:40.960 --> 01:13:43.439
to be kind of almost like stormtroopers are like a joke, right,

1230
01:13:43.479 --> 01:13:45.640
how they could never shoot anything and hit anything or

1231
01:13:45.680 --> 01:13:47.439
the broad side of a barn. And they were just

1232
01:13:47.520 --> 01:13:51.159
kind of goofy and the clay pigeons right that there

1233
01:13:51.199 --> 01:13:53.960
were not threatening and easy to outwit. And I think

1234
01:13:54.000 --> 01:13:57.600
that this show has really changed that a lot. To

1235
01:13:57.720 --> 01:13:58.720
be continued next week.

1236
01:13:59.199 --> 01:14:02.479
Yeah, that you walked kicked their butt with sticks and

1237
01:14:02.640 --> 01:14:14.760
with sticks and stones. Yeah. I thought this this arc

1238
01:14:14.880 --> 01:14:18.159
was definitely the best. I really it was a slow

1239
01:14:18.279 --> 01:14:22.239
burn in my opinion, too slow to get to these

1240
01:14:22.279 --> 01:14:25.199
three episodes. I still think they could have condensed those

1241
01:14:25.279 --> 01:14:28.800
first three down quite a bit, just my opinion, but

1242
01:14:29.720 --> 01:14:34.159
this arc, these three, oh my god, Stormtroopers were murderers.

1243
01:14:34.720 --> 01:14:36.680
I mean, they were just marching down the street, killing

1244
01:14:36.760 --> 01:14:40.039
unarmed people left and right. They didn't care. You know,

1245
01:14:40.119 --> 01:14:42.479
here we are, We're going to kill you and they did.

1246
01:14:43.000 --> 01:14:46.960
And uh K two s O what were they an extroids?

1247
01:14:47.000 --> 01:14:50.640
What were they called? K X My god were those

1248
01:14:50.720 --> 01:14:53.279
were those dudes? They were like the incredible hup. They

1249
01:14:53.319 --> 01:14:56.800
were throwing people across the rooms, they were picking up barricades,

1250
01:14:56.880 --> 01:14:59.840
and I mean, my god, these these droids are terrifying

1251
01:15:00.000 --> 01:15:00.520
because it's.

1252
01:15:00.439 --> 01:15:02.720
Funny after like the Clone Wars, right, there's like actually

1253
01:15:02.760 --> 01:15:04.600
a rule that the Empire put in place that you

1254
01:15:04.640 --> 01:15:09.000
could not have robots as you know, soldiers anymore, right,

1255
01:15:09.079 --> 01:15:11.479
And so the Empire got around it because they instead

1256
01:15:11.479 --> 01:15:14.520
of calling them combat droids or you know, you know,

1257
01:15:14.680 --> 01:15:18.039
tactical droids or whatever, they call them security droids, right,

1258
01:15:18.119 --> 01:15:20.000
and just gave them a little bit more benevolent name.

1259
01:15:20.039 --> 01:15:24.520
But it's like they're breaking their own rules to do

1260
01:15:24.640 --> 01:15:26.000
what they want again.

1261
01:15:26.319 --> 01:15:29.960
Again, and they were terrifying and awesome. I thought it

1262
01:15:30.079 --> 01:15:32.920
was so cool to see where Ka Twuso came from

1263
01:15:33.359 --> 01:15:35.359
when he comes to life at the end of the episode.

1264
01:15:35.640 --> 01:15:39.640
Alan Tudic is just phenomenal. I met him and talked

1265
01:15:39.680 --> 01:15:41.600
to him and he was so cool. So you see

1266
01:15:41.640 --> 01:15:46.640
him back in Star Wars again was awesome. Mon moth

1267
01:15:46.720 --> 01:15:50.279
of a speech when Cassie and says, I have friends

1268
01:15:50.399 --> 01:15:53.439
everywhere and that's how she knew to go with him,

1269
01:15:53.479 --> 01:15:57.279
And then he pulls out his blaster, kills the driver,

1270
01:15:57.800 --> 01:16:01.159
then kills the guard and she's just because you know,

1271
01:16:01.319 --> 01:16:03.840
this type of violence isn't something that she's used to seeing.

1272
01:16:05.279 --> 01:16:07.760
He storms her away and he says to her, welcome

1273
01:16:07.800 --> 01:16:11.560
to the Rebellion. It was a great ending for that episode.

1274
01:16:12.159 --> 01:16:15.279
So yeah, overall, I thoroughly, thoroughly enjoyed these three episodes.

1275
01:16:15.520 --> 01:16:20.560
They were incredible. I mean, the Empire killing their own troops,

1276
01:16:21.359 --> 01:16:25.279
come on, I mean kind of reminiscent of what happened

1277
01:16:25.319 --> 01:16:28.239
in Germany when they burned down the library, huh, and

1278
01:16:28.319 --> 01:16:31.119
then blamed it on someone else. You know, we've seen

1279
01:16:31.159 --> 01:16:35.439
that happen before. But Eric was right. These soldiers, they

1280
01:16:35.560 --> 01:16:38.399
just show up, they're green, they're right out of the academy,

1281
01:16:39.039 --> 01:16:41.800
and they sent them out there to die. They've sacrificed

1282
01:16:41.840 --> 01:16:45.800
these these young soldiers knowing they were going to kill them.

1283
01:16:45.920 --> 01:16:50.880
I mean, so just oh and zero to what Paul

1284
01:16:50.920 --> 01:16:56.079
said earlier, I got the feeling I thought anyways that

1285
01:16:57.199 --> 01:17:02.079
he did find redemption because I mean, he strangles Dietra there,

1286
01:17:03.319 --> 01:17:06.439
you know, to find out what's going on, and then

1287
01:17:06.520 --> 01:17:09.920
he goes and he tells the I can't remember their names.

1288
01:17:10.359 --> 01:17:12.479
He tells the one resistance fighter that there's still a

1289
01:17:12.640 --> 01:17:16.079
chance to save save you guys by blaming it on

1290
01:17:16.239 --> 01:17:18.479
somebody else. And he went and tried to save them

1291
01:17:19.279 --> 01:17:23.520
so that they wouldn't go to the square during the massacre.

1292
01:17:24.880 --> 01:17:27.439
So you know, I I and as he's walking through

1293
01:17:27.479 --> 01:17:30.800
the crowd, The look on his face is just total

1294
01:17:30.920 --> 01:17:34.600
shock and devastation at what he is witnessing going on

1295
01:17:34.800 --> 01:17:37.840
around him. So I think that he did have a

1296
01:17:37.960 --> 01:17:43.439
redemption of arc per se. And can someone please tell

1297
01:17:43.479 --> 01:17:47.319
me when did he meet Cassie? Oh?

1298
01:17:47.479 --> 01:17:48.359
In the first season?

1299
01:17:48.920 --> 01:17:50.920
Okay, So that's why. Because I hated the first season.

1300
01:17:50.960 --> 01:17:52.760
I thought that was the worst thing ever.

1301
01:17:53.279 --> 01:17:55.439
I think if you were to go back and watch

1302
01:17:55.479 --> 01:17:57.199
it now, you would have a very different take on it.

1303
01:17:57.319 --> 01:17:58.880
I think, yeah, you really really would.

1304
01:17:59.199 --> 01:18:02.159
I didn't know where he where he met Cassian, but

1305
01:18:03.439 --> 01:18:06.079
because I didn't particularly like the first season, so in

1306
01:18:06.159 --> 01:18:09.199
my mind, I was thinking to myself, well, he's really

1307
01:18:09.279 --> 01:18:11.159
pissed off and he doesn't know what to do about

1308
01:18:11.199 --> 01:18:13.079
what's going on, and he's got so much pent up

1309
01:18:13.079 --> 01:18:15.640
aggression that here is Cassie and he's going to take

1310
01:18:15.680 --> 01:18:17.640
it all out on him and try to, you know,

1311
01:18:17.800 --> 01:18:20.600
lay the blame on Cassie is the way I you know,

1312
01:18:20.920 --> 01:18:22.000
kind of took it until.

1313
01:18:21.760 --> 01:18:24.039
He was specific he knew exactly who he was.

1314
01:18:24.359 --> 01:18:27.239
You know, he's had a vendetta out for Cassian for months,

1315
01:18:27.359 --> 01:18:30.920
I mean for you, well, for years. He blames him

1316
01:18:31.000 --> 01:18:34.239
for his fall from you know, from power from position,

1317
01:18:34.520 --> 01:18:36.920
from everything that happened to him. That means Menty had

1318
01:18:36.960 --> 01:18:38.720
to climb his way back up, and he's just he's

1319
01:18:38.880 --> 01:18:41.039
he's had it out for him the whole time, and

1320
01:18:42.239 --> 01:18:44.479
Cassie doesn't have the slightest idea who he is. It's

1321
01:18:44.560 --> 01:18:47.039
just like it's like if you were, you know, obsessing

1322
01:18:47.119 --> 01:18:49.680
on some girl that like you just for years were

1323
01:18:49.680 --> 01:18:51.399
stalking her and then when you finally found her, she

1324
01:18:51.560 --> 01:18:55.159
was like, who are you? It's just you know, it's emasculating,

1325
01:18:55.239 --> 01:18:58.520
and it's just it's you know, not the best metaphor ever,

1326
01:18:58.640 --> 01:19:04.079
but you know, it's like it's like an existential moment, right,

1327
01:19:04.159 --> 01:19:07.600
It's just like basically he just built up this Nemesis relationship, right,

1328
01:19:07.680 --> 01:19:11.560
and it's like if you know, uh, you know doc

1329
01:19:11.640 --> 01:19:14.359
Oc finally went up against spider Man, and spider Man's

1330
01:19:14.640 --> 01:19:19.000
doc one, you're who you know, It's just it's just

1331
01:19:19.119 --> 01:19:20.560
all of a sudden, it's just that you don't feel

1332
01:19:20.600 --> 01:19:24.199
like you're ass mean, your your quest of vengeance doesn't

1333
01:19:24.199 --> 01:19:26.960
hold as much you know, vitriol as you thought I did.

1334
01:19:27.439 --> 01:19:31.600
So yeah, but you know, there was a line in

1335
01:19:31.680 --> 01:19:34.319
the episode where they said that the Empire was landing

1336
01:19:34.359 --> 01:19:38.399
their mining equipment on different parts of the planet, and

1337
01:19:38.760 --> 01:19:41.680
at that point they're going to completely devastate the entire

1338
01:19:41.760 --> 01:19:43.960
ecosystem of the planet. Right, They're going to when they

1339
01:19:44.039 --> 01:19:46.800
get done, there will be no life left on Gormt.

1340
01:19:47.800 --> 01:19:49.279
Is that is that the way I that's the way

1341
01:19:49.319 --> 01:19:49.760
I had.

1342
01:19:49.680 --> 01:19:52.079
The implication, Yeah, because when we go back to the

1343
01:19:52.199 --> 01:19:56.600
very first season, you see that when h Cassian was

1344
01:19:56.680 --> 01:19:59.319
like kind of like almost like living this feral existence

1345
01:19:59.359 --> 01:20:01.880
with these other virus in the jungle of this planet, right,

1346
01:20:01.920 --> 01:20:04.960
and all of their infrastructure had been taken away. It

1347
01:20:05.039 --> 01:20:07.760
was basically just like an orphan street kid, right, living

1348
01:20:07.800 --> 01:20:10.039
out in the jungle, and these you know, abandoned you know,

1349
01:20:11.239 --> 01:20:14.079
shells of spacecraft had been left as like derelicts. Right.

1350
01:20:14.279 --> 01:20:16.920
That planet had been had the same thing done to it. Right.

1351
01:20:17.000 --> 01:20:18.880
Basically it was a planet that had been strip mined

1352
01:20:19.159 --> 01:20:22.800
and just completely gutted for its resources by the Empire,

1353
01:20:23.000 --> 01:20:25.359
and everybody that was left alive was just like, oh,

1354
01:20:25.439 --> 01:20:27.640
good luck, good luck.

1355
01:20:28.239 --> 01:20:28.439
Yeah.

1356
01:20:28.560 --> 01:20:32.199
So I really enjoyed this one and see K two

1357
01:20:32.359 --> 01:20:35.439
s O. Krenick. The whole thing. I enjoyed. I would

1358
01:20:35.479 --> 01:20:39.520
give this these three and nine definitely, I thoroughly enjoyed them,

1359
01:20:40.640 --> 01:20:43.479
so that leaves, That leaves David and I will be

1360
01:20:43.560 --> 01:20:44.199
right back guys.

1361
01:20:45.039 --> 01:20:49.840
Okay, Yeah, So Star Wars is very famous for having

1362
01:20:49.920 --> 01:20:55.279
these interesting tourists, I think, and I really enjoyed episode

1363
01:20:55.359 --> 01:21:02.119
three when Palpataine was talking with Anakin. Whole weird dancing

1364
01:21:02.640 --> 01:21:06.159
thing that they're watching anyways, that whole situation where he

1365
01:21:06.319 --> 01:21:08.560
was trying to convence him to join him. You know,

1366
01:21:09.000 --> 01:21:12.359
there's little subtle things here in there that caused the

1367
01:21:12.479 --> 01:21:15.600
emperor to just try to get everybody on his side,

1368
01:21:15.840 --> 01:21:20.439
and in this case, you know, him using the whole

1369
01:21:20.800 --> 01:21:24.680
idea of propaganda in his empire, you know, the scheming

1370
01:21:24.760 --> 01:21:28.239
behind the scene. So to me, I think this idea

1371
01:21:28.560 --> 01:21:37.960
of Star Wars reputation for the plot twist of like

1372
01:21:38.239 --> 01:21:42.880
certain things. I mean, I believe this situation on Gore

1373
01:21:43.439 --> 01:21:47.319
actually took place as well on the Rebel Hue if

1374
01:21:47.359 --> 01:21:50.680
I'm remembering correctly. One of the episodes. I can't remember exactly,

1375
01:21:50.800 --> 01:21:52.800
but there was a lot of different twists, even in

1376
01:21:52.880 --> 01:21:55.840
the Rebels or the Clone Wars that took place, And

1377
01:21:56.119 --> 01:21:57.840
especially in the Clone Wars, I really liked that one

1378
01:21:57.880 --> 01:22:02.760
episode where that Stormtrooper micro trip malfunctioned and he ended

1379
01:22:02.840 --> 01:22:07.159
up killing a Jedi, and then that whole conspiracy theory

1380
01:22:07.239 --> 01:22:11.359
took place where that tech guy I forgot his name,

1381
01:22:11.479 --> 01:22:15.319
but that one stor Clone trooper who just apparently became

1382
01:22:15.439 --> 01:22:19.399
part of the bad Batch series. You know, it's interesting

1383
01:22:19.520 --> 01:22:26.520
how all these different characters unfold when certain story elements

1384
01:22:26.600 --> 01:22:29.520
take place, and I really enjoy watching those type of things.

1385
01:22:29.520 --> 01:22:33.159
When I watched Doll Wars, and I do like the

1386
01:22:33.319 --> 01:22:36.039
scene that you see here this whole area which I

1387
01:22:36.199 --> 01:22:38.359
thought I was gonna end up seeing ET at one

1388
01:22:38.399 --> 01:22:43.439
point in the background. But you know, but yeah, over all,

1389
01:22:43.560 --> 01:22:47.560
I enjoyed this series. I really believe that there's a

1390
01:22:47.680 --> 01:22:51.600
lot more gonna happen in the last three which I

1391
01:22:51.680 --> 01:22:53.960
haven't seen yet, so I'm really looking forward to it.

1392
01:22:54.880 --> 01:22:57.680
And so there's a couple of points I wanted to

1393
01:22:57.720 --> 01:23:02.800
make is that when they brought those young black troopers,

1394
01:23:03.399 --> 01:23:08.880
the guy direction Black to Gore and they were going

1395
01:23:09.000 --> 01:23:12.359
to I guess, try to calm down the crowd, I

1396
01:23:12.560 --> 01:23:15.840
honestly thought those were the Black Stormtroopers from Rogue One

1397
01:23:16.720 --> 01:23:20.520
who eventually became them, because a year later or so,

1398
01:23:20.760 --> 01:23:22.359
they got twined up to the point where it's just

1399
01:23:22.479 --> 01:23:25.720
like it could be the personal guardge of critics or something.

1400
01:23:25.760 --> 01:23:28.880
I don't know, but it's an interesting thought to think

1401
01:23:28.920 --> 01:23:31.479
because of the way that they were distressed and the

1402
01:23:31.680 --> 01:23:34.600
equipment they brought with them, because I don't think all

1403
01:23:34.680 --> 01:23:36.960
of them died well.

1404
01:23:37.000 --> 01:23:39.800
I mean, what's interesting is that from the second they

1405
01:23:39.840 --> 01:23:42.960
brought them on screen, they were absolutely treated like dirt

1406
01:23:43.920 --> 01:23:46.119
and every single scene you see with them, they're being

1407
01:23:46.239 --> 01:23:49.159
yelled at and that sort of stuff, and they never

1408
01:23:49.800 --> 01:23:52.520
made a personal connection with any of them, Like I

1409
01:23:52.680 --> 01:23:54.840
still have no idea what any of their faces looked like.

1410
01:23:55.319 --> 01:23:57.920
And I think that was intent. There was intent to that.

1411
01:23:58.960 --> 01:24:01.640
Yeah, I just thought it something interesting. I mean, World

1412
01:24:01.720 --> 01:24:05.880
one was interesting to see the Black Stormtroopers come in.

1413
01:24:06.079 --> 01:24:09.199
I was like, Okay, that's interesting. And of course apparently

1414
01:24:09.319 --> 01:24:09.920
they were.

1415
01:24:10.439 --> 01:24:13.000
You think they're death troopers, right, we say the troopers.

1416
01:24:13.079 --> 01:24:15.319
That's what they're called, thank you. Yeah, I mean they

1417
01:24:15.479 --> 01:24:18.760
they they apparently had better training than the Stormtroopers apparently,

1418
01:24:18.920 --> 01:24:21.439
so they had something going on. Maybe they would put

1419
01:24:21.560 --> 01:24:23.760
robotic I don't know, but yeah.

1420
01:24:24.880 --> 01:24:27.560
It had like late saber resistant armor or something or

1421
01:24:27.640 --> 01:24:29.720
is that I think that was an episode.

1422
01:24:30.720 --> 01:24:41.000
Uh yeah, But other than that, yeah, the idea of

1423
01:24:41.399 --> 01:24:46.600
the the droid. I remember we were talking on a

1424
01:24:46.880 --> 01:24:50.199
personal chat here about you know what, why couldn't the

1425
01:24:50.479 --> 01:24:55.199
k to show Droid drop with the weapons? And I

1426
01:24:55.520 --> 01:25:00.640
actually had a theory on why they couldn't drop now

1427
01:25:00.920 --> 01:25:03.720
when they could in Rogue one. And I as a reminder,

1428
01:25:04.199 --> 01:25:07.479
the Droid in Rogue one didn't drop right away. He

1429
01:25:07.560 --> 01:25:11.399
didn't die. How much single Flaster who apparently got shot

1430
01:25:11.439 --> 01:25:14.239
by strong Trooper, I mean, he took lots of hits

1431
01:25:14.279 --> 01:25:16.760
before he went down. But the thing is that if

1432
01:25:16.800 --> 01:25:20.800
you look at this series, the weapons they're carrying are

1433
01:25:20.880 --> 01:25:24.600
not military grade, or at least they probably were, but

1434
01:25:25.239 --> 01:25:26.920
not all of them are, and a lot of them

1435
01:25:26.960 --> 01:25:31.239
were handmade. A lot of them were you know, distributed

1436
01:25:31.359 --> 01:25:35.000
from different types of factions that are going throughout all

1437
01:25:35.079 --> 01:25:37.720
of this and or series. And to me, the way

1438
01:25:37.800 --> 01:25:40.279
I feel it is that these guns that the rebels

1439
01:25:40.479 --> 01:25:42.920
are carried to gore people are carrying are not as

1440
01:25:43.039 --> 01:25:47.960
powerful as the grom troopered weapons or anything. So I

1441
01:25:48.039 --> 01:25:50.680
can imagine that they have to shoot a whole bunch

1442
01:25:50.760 --> 01:25:54.000
more time just to even get a dent in them.

1443
01:25:54.239 --> 01:25:58.600
And we also remembered that in I believe it was

1444
01:25:58.680 --> 01:26:02.479
the Clone War or no, it was uh yeah, colin

1445
01:26:02.520 --> 01:26:06.199
Wardsuld Rebel, one of those two. Remember when that beast

1446
01:26:06.239 --> 01:26:08.920
that came out and they ended up taking it to

1447
01:26:09.000 --> 01:26:10.920
a course on and it was like the whole god

1448
01:26:11.039 --> 01:26:13.880
Zullo scene where that three armed monster was like going

1449
01:26:13.920 --> 01:26:17.279
all over the place. Beast, the Zellow beasts there you go.

1450
01:26:17.760 --> 01:26:22.279
That particular armor that Palpatine was trying to get was

1451
01:26:22.600 --> 01:26:26.560
a plan that he had in mind to weaponize all

1452
01:26:26.640 --> 01:26:31.000
of his stormtroopers outfit. You know, that that type of

1453
01:26:31.439 --> 01:26:34.079
plate that they were going to be using. So maybe

1454
01:26:35.560 --> 01:26:40.279
the Zillow Beast didn't quite get the funding that they needed,

1455
01:26:40.359 --> 01:26:43.319
I guess. But either way, uh, the armor that the

1456
01:26:43.439 --> 01:26:47.119
k X units that were there, I would imagine that's

1457
01:26:47.199 --> 01:26:52.119
probably where some of that strong plate mail came from.

1458
01:26:52.359 --> 01:26:56.760
And so to me, yeah, that whole situation I don't

1459
01:26:56.800 --> 01:26:59.640
know it. To me, I just described that who has

1460
01:26:59.680 --> 01:27:02.600
the most firepower virtues how much armor they.

1461
01:27:02.560 --> 01:27:03.119
Can be blocked.

1462
01:27:04.319 --> 01:27:07.079
But other than that, I really enjoyed the series. I'm

1463
01:27:07.199 --> 01:27:11.039
I'm really looking forward to the next three and then

1464
01:27:11.159 --> 01:27:14.520
watching Orgue one again because we're watching Worgue one now

1465
01:27:14.560 --> 01:27:16.840
and knowing that what happened in this yearies, it's going

1466
01:27:16.920 --> 01:27:20.600
to make a completely different shut up. It's going to

1467
01:27:20.680 --> 01:27:23.920
be completely new almost, and it's going to make sense

1468
01:27:24.119 --> 01:27:26.439
to a lot of the different reasons, like why did

1469
01:27:28.640 --> 01:27:32.359
I'm leaving my my my train thought?

1470
01:27:32.399 --> 01:27:32.560
Here?

1471
01:27:32.800 --> 01:27:36.760
Uh, the the guy, the main guide, the hero what's

1472
01:27:36.840 --> 01:27:44.319
his name again? And he apparently shot somebody out of

1473
01:27:44.359 --> 01:27:47.039
cold Blood in Rogue one at the very beginning. That

1474
01:27:47.279 --> 01:27:50.319
explains why he's having a lot of trust issues as

1475
01:27:50.359 --> 01:27:55.479
you go through uh the series here, and you can

1476
01:27:55.840 --> 01:27:57.359
I agree with you, guys, you can really share it.

1477
01:27:57.399 --> 01:27:59.199
And there's a lot of trust issues going on with

1478
01:27:59.399 --> 01:28:03.960
Cashi and at the moment and so yeah, and the

1479
01:28:04.079 --> 01:28:07.760
fact that he found his buddy Wookie, I guess you

1480
01:28:07.800 --> 01:28:10.920
could say at the end of the episode nine where

1481
01:28:11.000 --> 01:28:14.760
he's just like, you know, I don't know. It's just

1482
01:28:14.880 --> 01:28:16.680
a lot of things that are just coming together that

1483
01:28:16.760 --> 01:28:19.279
I point in and I actually enjoy it and it's

1484
01:28:19.319 --> 01:28:22.720
really fun. So if the number coming in, I would

1485
01:28:22.760 --> 01:28:27.079
give this a nine point nine I think would be

1486
01:28:27.199 --> 01:28:32.800
my gush guy. But my take on the whole three episodes, So.

1487
01:28:33.640 --> 01:28:37.479
Can you guys answer a question for me? The Imperial

1488
01:28:37.600 --> 01:28:41.079
officer that was that was there who said I'm the

1489
01:28:41.359 --> 01:28:45.199
gun and you're the trigger to Dietra and he had

1490
01:28:45.239 --> 01:28:47.479
that scar on his face. Is that the same officer

1491
01:28:47.520 --> 01:28:49.439
that tried the rape bix when she hit him in

1492
01:28:49.479 --> 01:28:50.399
the face with the hammer.

1493
01:28:51.319 --> 01:28:53.560
No, no, no, no no.

1494
01:28:53.760 --> 01:28:55.560
The officer that she hit with the hammer is a

1495
01:28:55.600 --> 01:28:57.880
different character. And she killed that guy with the hammer.

1496
01:28:58.279 --> 01:29:01.760
Yeah he's dead, you know, he's his dead as Julius Caesar.

1497
01:29:02.359 --> 01:29:05.680
So I got a question, who's the guy that raised

1498
01:29:05.760 --> 01:29:08.800
his hand after that woman who held up the blaster

1499
01:29:08.920 --> 01:29:10.640
on you have and saying, who's blaster was this?

1500
01:29:12.600 --> 01:29:14.960
It's a it's super complicated, man. I can send you

1501
01:29:15.039 --> 01:29:17.600
some stuff on it. But it's just like that blaster

1502
01:29:17.800 --> 01:29:20.600
has had like a journey of like eight definitions all

1503
01:29:20.680 --> 01:29:22.760
the way through the show since the early parts of

1504
01:29:22.840 --> 01:29:28.119
season one, right, and it has literally traveled like like

1505
01:29:28.479 --> 01:29:31.359
it's been like a virus passing through like ten different

1506
01:29:31.399 --> 01:29:33.439
sets of hands. And so it's just like it's when

1507
01:29:33.479 --> 01:29:35.800
she sees it, she remembers it because of a distinctive

1508
01:29:35.840 --> 01:29:38.199
thing that happens. I'll stick in the chat so you

1509
01:29:38.239 --> 01:29:40.800
can take a look at it. But yeah, it's it's crazy,

1510
01:29:41.119 --> 01:29:44.560
it's crazy. It's kind of a little bit. Yeah, it's

1511
01:29:44.640 --> 01:29:47.239
kind of basically it's a way of introducing that character again,

1512
01:29:47.960 --> 01:29:51.079
to bring him back because we've seen him he was

1513
01:29:51.840 --> 01:29:54.600
He kept showing up with Cassie in all these different environments,

1514
01:29:55.079 --> 01:29:59.239
from like the very first job that they did for

1515
01:29:59.720 --> 01:30:02.800
Luth then and then when they were in the Narcina prison.

1516
01:30:03.720 --> 01:30:08.239
I don't remember the prison episode, which was like the

1517
01:30:08.359 --> 01:30:11.560
genius that stuff in season one, it was amazing, but

1518
01:30:11.680 --> 01:30:13.479
he was in prison with Cassie and he looked different

1519
01:30:13.479 --> 01:30:15.159
because he had a little bit longer hair than he

1520
01:30:15.279 --> 01:30:17.800
had shaved now almost, but yeah, i'll send you a

1521
01:30:18.039 --> 01:30:20.119
it's too complicated for me to break down on the air,

1522
01:30:20.279 --> 01:30:23.680
but we have like thirty minutes. But it's just yeah,

1523
01:30:23.920 --> 01:30:26.079
it's just it's just kind of this interesting moment, right,

1524
01:30:26.119 --> 01:30:27.760
It's just like, well, who's been in It's kind of

1525
01:30:27.840 --> 01:30:30.720
like her way of seeing that weapon, going how did

1526
01:30:30.760 --> 01:30:32.840
you get this? And I think this means that you've

1527
01:30:32.960 --> 01:30:35.680
kind of been with us for this whole struggle since

1528
01:30:35.720 --> 01:30:38.960
the beginning. It was kind of like acknowledging, you know,

1529
01:30:39.319 --> 01:30:42.079
street cred. I think by identifying whose weapon that was

1530
01:30:42.119 --> 01:30:44.119
and if it was something that didn't have that she

1531
01:30:44.239 --> 01:30:45.760
had the bad feeling. I think she would have blown

1532
01:30:45.800 --> 01:30:46.760
their brains out.

1533
01:30:47.039 --> 01:30:49.640
I just thought, like some sort of character that we've

1534
01:30:49.840 --> 01:30:51.800
heard from like four or five or six or something

1535
01:30:52.119 --> 01:30:54.239
like you're supposed to be a young or something.

1536
01:30:54.359 --> 01:30:57.600
No, it's just it's it's kind of a thing. There's

1537
01:30:57.640 --> 01:30:59.119
more stuff like that I want to talk about, but

1538
01:30:59.199 --> 01:31:04.479
I can't till next week because because it's secret. But

1539
01:31:04.680 --> 01:31:06.840
I think we can have a really interesting next week.

1540
01:31:06.920 --> 01:31:09.239
It's like all the you know, all the quirks come

1541
01:31:09.279 --> 01:31:11.039
out of all the bottles. We don't have to worry

1542
01:31:11.079 --> 01:31:13.239
about anything. But I think if you have not watched

1543
01:31:13.279 --> 01:31:15.960
the last three episodes yet, no kind of freaking envy,

1544
01:31:15.960 --> 01:31:20.520
you you know, because I was all, maybe I'll be

1545
01:31:20.560 --> 01:31:22.680
able to get to it, all right, I thought, oh,

1546
01:31:22.680 --> 01:31:24.359
maybe I'll be able to get to it, because you know,

1547
01:31:24.359 --> 01:31:26.760
we kind of three three episodes is a lot from

1548
01:31:26.760 --> 01:31:29.079
one night, and I had to watch all three of them.

1549
01:31:29.119 --> 01:31:34.279
I was just like, just the one question so far.

1550
01:31:34.399 --> 01:31:37.000
I didn't want to stop because I ended up past midnight.

1551
01:31:37.039 --> 01:31:39.119
I was like, oh my god, I think they've I

1552
01:31:39.159 --> 01:31:42.399
think they've really created a classic that I think transcends

1553
01:31:42.439 --> 01:31:46.119
science fiction. And it's just so freaking timely, and so

1554
01:31:47.359 --> 01:31:49.479
I mean I've been talking a lot about content and

1555
01:31:49.920 --> 01:31:54.279
you know, the acting and writing, what they chosen to do,

1556
01:31:54.399 --> 01:31:57.560
but just the physicality, the production and the way it's shot,

1557
01:31:57.720 --> 01:32:03.000
the composition of this, there's a lot of cinema technique

1558
01:32:03.039 --> 01:32:05.640
in terms of like the way the shots are designed

1559
01:32:05.720 --> 01:32:09.840
and convey meaning. It's just amazing. I mean, it's just

1560
01:32:10.000 --> 01:32:14.199
it's a really Tony Gilroy's Dinner's remarkable shepherding the show,

1561
01:32:14.239 --> 01:32:17.119
it existence, It's not like anything we have seen in

1562
01:32:18.159 --> 01:32:21.600
I think since shows like The Wire is the closest

1563
01:32:21.600 --> 01:32:24.079
thing I can think of as far as like or

1564
01:32:24.159 --> 01:32:26.479
show like Showgun. I don't know if you want Showgun

1565
01:32:26.560 --> 01:32:29.560
recently that I really want to. It's really worth your time.

1566
01:32:29.640 --> 01:32:33.359
It's excellent, complicated and again just really you know, broke

1567
01:32:33.479 --> 01:32:37.039
over many many episodes. But that's the closest to those

1568
01:32:37.159 --> 01:32:38.920
two kinds of shows that I could say in terms

1569
01:32:38.960 --> 01:32:41.399
of you know, what we've had before, and I think

1570
01:32:41.439 --> 01:32:44.720
this kind of surpasses it just because it's so compellent

1571
01:32:44.960 --> 01:32:47.760
and I just think it's just it's just timeless. So

1572
01:32:47.920 --> 01:32:48.800
really well done, guys.

1573
01:32:49.640 --> 01:32:52.920
So I asked you a question about your did I

1574
01:32:53.159 --> 01:32:56.600
see the forecoming of that guy dying, which did a

1575
01:32:56.640 --> 01:32:59.159
surprised for me. I think it was I did not

1576
01:32:59.319 --> 01:33:03.119
see she will die, oh Cyril, Yeah, his death and

1577
01:33:03.279 --> 01:33:05.600
coming like I thought he was going to join the

1578
01:33:05.680 --> 01:33:09.119
light side too, folks, and then all of a sudden, yeah, but.

1579
01:33:09.199 --> 01:33:12.439
Yeah, because it's like he's in a relationship with Debra, right,

1580
01:33:12.439 --> 01:33:14.600
and you're like, oh, of course he's he's gonna do

1581
01:33:14.720 --> 01:33:16.680
something really terrible or he's gonna like, you know, have

1582
01:33:16.760 --> 01:33:19.079
to leave Dedra and say I'm sorry, I've changed. I've

1583
01:33:19.119 --> 01:33:21.600
had a you know, ethical enlightenment or something right, you know,

1584
01:33:21.880 --> 01:33:24.199
like you had to change your heart. But so the

1585
01:33:24.279 --> 01:33:28.399
show does not conveniently follow those tropes or expectations that

1586
01:33:28.479 --> 01:33:31.680
we have, right, It really swims upstream against what you

1587
01:33:31.720 --> 01:33:35.159
would normally expect to see happen in the television show.

1588
01:33:35.359 --> 01:33:39.039
So just amazing. So we'll talk more next week. I'm sorry,

1589
01:33:39.479 --> 01:33:40.800
all right, you're very excited.

1590
01:33:41.079 --> 01:33:43.399
Well you got to jump in here, Charles and uh

1591
01:33:43.760 --> 01:33:46.039
get your get your thoughts in before we move on

1592
01:33:46.119 --> 01:33:46.840
to our birthdays.

1593
01:33:48.560 --> 01:33:50.760
No, I don't have any thoughts on the show, but

1594
01:33:52.199 --> 01:33:59.239
I know Jim's wondering about numbers. First three seven point

1595
01:33:59.479 --> 01:34:04.720
nine three, second three eight point eight three, this week

1596
01:34:04.880 --> 01:34:10.079
nine point six. So unless you guys are given perfect scores,

1597
01:34:10.159 --> 01:34:14.039
I'm not sure we're gonna raise this week up to

1598
01:34:14.920 --> 01:34:15.640
beat this week?

1599
01:34:18.119 --> 01:34:21.439
All right? Not not too shabby at all, guys. And

1600
01:34:21.720 --> 01:34:43.479
now it's time for our Star Trek birthdays. That was

1601
01:34:43.560 --> 01:34:46.880
not a clean song, alright, guys. This is the part

1602
01:34:46.920 --> 01:34:49.560
of the show where we remember those members of our

1603
01:34:49.560 --> 01:34:52.199
Star Trek family who, sadly enough, are no longer with us,

1604
01:34:52.359 --> 01:34:55.560
and for that we turn to Eric Jim.

1605
01:34:55.640 --> 01:34:58.159
This week we will remember five people who have gone

1606
01:34:58.239 --> 01:35:02.159
before us. The first is actor Benjamin Lum, the actor

1607
01:35:02.199 --> 01:35:06.199
who portrayed Assistant Chief Engineer Jim Shimoda in the Next

1608
01:35:06.239 --> 01:35:10.279
Generation first season episode The Naked Now. Benjamin was an

1609
01:35:10.479 --> 01:35:14.039
educator and then became known for stage and screen before

1610
01:35:14.159 --> 01:35:18.239
headed to Los Angeles to continue his acting career. He

1611
01:35:18.359 --> 01:35:21.960
was an active member of the East West Players in

1612
01:35:22.239 --> 01:35:25.800
LA He was a character actor, best known for roles

1613
01:35:25.920 --> 01:35:31.119
like the Mailman in Seinfeld. He was known as well

1614
01:35:31.319 --> 01:35:34.560
for two movies Another Forty eight Hours from nineteen ninety

1615
01:35:34.960 --> 01:35:37.920
and The Wizard of Speed and Time from nineteen eighty eight.

1616
01:35:38.039 --> 01:35:40.800
Benjamin Lumb lost in two thousand and two at the

1617
01:35:40.840 --> 01:35:43.800
age of forty eight years old. Happy Birthday to Benjamin,

1618
01:35:45.159 --> 01:35:49.079
Happy Birthday, as well to Joanes Swift, the actress who

1619
01:35:49.199 --> 01:35:54.960
played Aurellian Kirk in the COS first season episode Operation Annihilate.

1620
01:35:55.560 --> 01:35:59.279
She made several appearances on television series such as The

1621
01:35:59.399 --> 01:36:04.359
Lucy Show, of Course, starring Lucille Ball, as well as

1622
01:36:04.399 --> 01:36:07.439
the Jack Benny Program. She also made guest appearances on

1623
01:36:07.600 --> 01:36:11.079
I Spy, Bewitched an Ironside, and appeared in the television

1624
01:36:11.119 --> 01:36:14.840
movie Lucy Gets Lucky with Lucille Ball. Swift was featured

1625
01:36:14.960 --> 01:36:18.840
in Jerry Lewis's The Patsy and the Family Jewels from

1626
01:36:18.920 --> 01:36:23.600
nineteen sixty five. Happy Birthday to Joanes Swift, Happy Birthday,

1627
01:36:23.600 --> 01:36:27.039
as well to Michael G. Haggerty, the actor who appeared

1628
01:36:27.119 --> 01:36:30.600
as the Klingon log in the Next Generation fifth season

1629
01:36:30.680 --> 01:36:36.800
episode Redemption two and as scho Ran the Barconian Blacksmith

1630
01:36:36.880 --> 01:36:41.159
in the seven season episode Thine Own Self. Haggerty also

1631
01:36:41.279 --> 01:36:45.479
appeared as the bartender Meska in the video game Star

1632
01:36:45.600 --> 01:36:48.840
Trek Klingon, but he's probably best known for his frequent

1633
01:36:48.880 --> 01:36:53.800
appearances as the building superintendent Mister Trieger on Friends. Other

1634
01:36:53.880 --> 01:36:59.840
appearances in films included Dick Tracy, Brewsters, Millions, Red Heat One,

1635
01:37:00.079 --> 01:37:05.359
Good Cop, Wayne's World, Speed to Austin Powers, and Inspector Gadget.

1636
01:37:05.399 --> 01:37:09.279
That's quite a resume. Haggerty also had dozens of appearances

1637
01:37:09.439 --> 01:37:13.199
on various television dramas and sitcoms throughout the early two thousands.

1638
01:37:13.880 --> 01:37:16.399
We lost him back in twenty twenty two at the

1639
01:37:16.439 --> 01:37:20.399
age of sixty seven years old. Happy birthday to Michael G. Haggerty.

1640
01:37:21.680 --> 01:37:25.079
Happy birthday as well to Kevin Peter Hall, the actor

1641
01:37:25.159 --> 01:37:30.720
who portrayed the Kelodean diplomat and negotiator Layer in the

1642
01:37:30.840 --> 01:37:35.840
Next Generation third season episode The Price. Earlier, Hall had

1643
01:37:35.840 --> 01:37:39.560
actually been considered for the roles of two regular TG characters,

1644
01:37:39.720 --> 01:37:45.520
Data and Jordie LaForge, and at seven feet two inches tall,

1645
01:37:45.760 --> 01:37:48.560
he was one of the tallest actors to ever perform

1646
01:37:49.199 --> 01:37:52.920
in any Star Trek movie or television series. His enormous

1647
01:37:52.920 --> 01:37:57.640
stature landed him numerous roles in film as monsters or aliens,

1648
01:37:57.960 --> 01:38:01.960
such as Harry the Sasquatch in nineteen eighty seven's Harry

1649
01:38:02.039 --> 01:38:04.520
and the Hendersons. But the thing for which he is

1650
01:38:04.640 --> 01:38:09.840
probably best known is playing the Predator in nineteen eighty

1651
01:38:09.960 --> 01:38:15.079
seven's original science fiction action movie and also in Predator

1652
01:38:15.159 --> 01:38:19.640
to the nineteen ninety sequel. Unfortunately, we lost him back

1653
01:38:19.760 --> 01:38:23.840
in nineteen ninety one at the young young age of

1654
01:38:23.960 --> 01:38:27.600
thirty five years old. He actually contracted AIDS through a

1655
01:38:27.800 --> 01:38:30.520
blood transfusion he had received as a result of a

1656
01:38:30.600 --> 01:38:36.880
major car accident a few months before his appearance as

1657
01:38:37.199 --> 01:38:44.000
in Predator too, and he just back in nineteen ninety one.

1658
01:38:44.079 --> 01:38:46.119
We didn't have good treatments for AIDS, so he was

1659
01:38:46.239 --> 01:38:49.800
lost way too young. Can you imagine thirty five years old?

1660
01:38:50.800 --> 01:38:54.239
So happy birthday to Kevin Peter Hall. We miss you, buddy.

1661
01:38:55.039 --> 01:38:57.159
And last but not least, in our remembrance list, we

1662
01:38:57.279 --> 01:39:01.159
have actress Kay Elliott. She was the one who played

1663
01:39:01.159 --> 01:39:05.079
the android replicas of Stella Mud in the original series

1664
01:39:05.319 --> 01:39:10.720
second season episode I Mud har Co What. Born on

1665
01:39:10.840 --> 01:39:14.560
May fourteenth, nineteen twenty one in my home state of Illinois,

1666
01:39:16.119 --> 01:39:20.239
she appeared in episodes of The Man from Uncle Gomer

1667
01:39:20.359 --> 01:39:24.199
Pyle USMC. She was later seen in multiple episodes of

1668
01:39:24.239 --> 01:39:29.079
the classic sitcom Bewitched. Her only known film credits are

1669
01:39:30.079 --> 01:39:33.319
in the nineteen seventy three horror movie The Severed Arm,

1670
01:39:34.079 --> 01:39:38.359
along Paul Carr and the nineteen seventy nine comedy Gas

1671
01:39:38.479 --> 01:39:44.720
Pumps Girl, Gas Pump Girls, which I have not seen. Unfortunately,

1672
01:39:44.840 --> 01:39:47.479
we lost her back in nineteen eighty two. Her last

1673
01:39:47.520 --> 01:39:51.640
television appearance was in a nineteen eighty episode of The

1674
01:39:51.840 --> 01:39:57.960
Righteous Apples, which actually also featured Renee Abergennois. So Kay

1675
01:39:58.079 --> 01:40:01.000
Elliott lost all the way back in nineteen eighty two

1676
01:40:01.640 --> 01:40:04.000
at the age of fifty three years old. Happy Birthday

1677
01:40:04.560 --> 01:40:07.800
to Kay and that does it for our remembrances, guys.

1678
01:40:08.279 --> 01:40:13.479
So I'm gonna pass this flaming birthday candle over to Charles. Oh,

1679
01:40:13.800 --> 01:40:14.600
thank you, Eric.

1680
01:40:15.720 --> 01:40:18.840
Let's start out with a very happy birthday. Gregory B. Kroft,

1681
01:40:19.520 --> 01:40:24.279
actress had played Mickey d in TG's second season episode

1682
01:40:24.359 --> 01:40:30.359
The Royal Very Unique episode.

1683
01:40:31.479 --> 01:40:32.199
Happy Birthday.

1684
01:40:32.279 --> 01:40:37.960
Gina Phillips, actress from Mimi Beach, Florida, who played Varisol

1685
01:40:38.319 --> 01:40:44.880
in DS nine's first season episode The Storyteller. Happy Birthday

1686
01:40:44.920 --> 01:40:51.439
to Richard for Hell. Prolific character actress who appeared as

1687
01:40:52.880 --> 01:40:58.800
Bettilla and TG's fifth season episode in Her Light, Seamos

1688
01:40:59.039 --> 01:41:03.640
and Voyager, six season episode fair Haven and Spiritfolk in

1689
01:41:04.560 --> 01:41:08.520
Jeremy Lucas and Enterprises fourth season episode Colad Station twelve

1690
01:41:09.079 --> 01:41:18.319
and augments. Very happy birthday to Amy Wheaton, sister of

1691
01:41:18.479 --> 01:41:23.119
Will and Jeremy. Wheaton, betrayed Tara in ch and g's

1692
01:41:23.159 --> 01:41:28.159
first season episode When the Bow Breaks. Not a good

1693
01:41:28.199 --> 01:41:32.720
family relationship going on there with the Wheatons. And last

1694
01:41:32.800 --> 01:41:35.560
on my list, a very happy birthday to Robin Groves,

1695
01:41:36.319 --> 01:41:44.199
actress had played Benori Ariya Garren in Star Trek Voyagers

1696
01:41:44.239 --> 01:41:52.399
first season episode, and matthiasen at Manciations. And that's it

1697
01:41:52.600 --> 01:41:55.640
for my list. And I'm gonna toss the candle over

1698
01:41:55.760 --> 01:41:59.520
to Paul. It's getting a little short there, Paul, so

1699
01:42:00.600 --> 01:42:01.920
watch your fingertio.

1700
01:42:01.600 --> 01:42:05.199
My best man. I'm like Lawrence of Arabia holding the

1701
01:42:05.279 --> 01:42:09.159
match right, Hey, is not minding that it hurts, right,

1702
01:42:09.640 --> 01:42:11.840
So there you go. I still got more birthdays for

1703
01:42:11.960 --> 01:42:15.840
you crazy may celebrants here. First of all, let's say

1704
01:42:15.840 --> 01:42:19.520
happy birthday to Bohio Watson, Canadian actress who played the

1705
01:42:19.560 --> 01:42:22.600
adult version of may Ahearn in the second season of

1706
01:42:22.800 --> 01:42:26.840
Star Trek Discovery. What a season that was, too Love

1707
01:42:26.920 --> 01:42:30.159
that second season Happy Birthday. Sam Anderson played the assistant

1708
01:42:30.199 --> 01:42:32.279
manager of the hotel in the Star Trek Next Generation.

1709
01:42:32.399 --> 01:42:37.960
The second season episode The Royale. Happy birthday, Sam Anderson,

1710
01:42:38.640 --> 01:42:42.479
Happy birthday to Sonya Son, American actress who played Gabriel

1711
01:42:42.640 --> 01:42:45.800
Burnham in the second, third, and fourth seasons of Star

1712
01:42:45.960 --> 01:42:52.880
Trek Discovery. There we go, and so exciting this next person,

1713
01:42:52.960 --> 01:42:56.640
because I'm a big fan. Okay, you forget sometimes that

1714
01:42:56.720 --> 01:42:58.680
people have been in Star Trek because sometimes they're just

1715
01:42:58.760 --> 01:43:01.800
so huge, right, But I would wish a humongous happy

1716
01:43:01.880 --> 01:43:09.239
birthday to the magnificent, incandescent Shore aghdashlou Iranian actress who

1717
01:43:09.319 --> 01:43:13.960
appeared in Star Trek Beyond as Commodore Paris. But oh

1718
01:43:14.159 --> 01:43:18.000
my god, is she a phenomenal actress who does a

1719
01:43:18.319 --> 01:43:21.760
ton of work. Yes, she was in Star Trek Beyond.

1720
01:43:22.000 --> 01:43:23.800
I think the first thing I saw her in It

1721
01:43:23.920 --> 01:43:26.640
was a movie called House of Sand and Fog back

1722
01:43:26.680 --> 01:43:29.760
in like two thousand and three. Remarkable picture. I think

1723
01:43:29.800 --> 01:43:32.319
she even got nominated for that. I don't remember that

1724
01:43:32.399 --> 01:43:34.800
she won, but I can't. It's you know, those of

1725
01:43:34.920 --> 01:43:37.960
us are memories or challenge these days. But it's a

1726
01:43:38.039 --> 01:43:41.760
certainly an Oscar worthy performance. She was on twenty four

1727
01:43:41.960 --> 01:43:44.920
for quite a while in two thousand and five, and

1728
01:43:45.079 --> 01:43:50.039
then she will live forever in the annals of science fiction.

1729
01:43:50.399 --> 01:43:55.159
For her work on the brilliant television series The Expanse

1730
01:43:56.279 --> 01:44:01.680
Oh My God, where she plays Secretary General Chris of Ocerella, Right,

1731
01:44:01.920 --> 01:44:06.520
and what a performance she does. And it's just it's

1732
01:44:06.560 --> 01:44:09.840
a striking character. It's one of the greatest depictions of

1733
01:44:10.159 --> 01:44:12.920
an ethical woman in power who takes no ship that

1734
01:44:13.000 --> 01:44:13.720
I've ever seen.

1735
01:44:13.840 --> 01:44:14.079
She is.

1736
01:44:18.199 --> 01:44:20.079
I mean, for one thing, it's just like the every

1737
01:44:20.159 --> 01:44:24.039
single episode she's in the most just striking wardrobe you've

1738
01:44:24.079 --> 01:44:26.439
ever seen. She's like part of her character is she

1739
01:44:26.640 --> 01:44:29.680
shows up dressed to kill and written just amazingly. So

1740
01:44:29.800 --> 01:44:31.720
it's just part of who she is. And if you

1741
01:44:31.840 --> 01:44:35.319
watch The Expanse, if it was a drinking game, then

1742
01:44:35.439 --> 01:44:42.640
every time sha Ashlu says yeah, you would be on

1743
01:44:42.720 --> 01:44:44.760
the floor, you would never get up. She is so

1744
01:44:45.279 --> 01:44:48.840
refreshingly fouled out. It is just astonishing. I mean, she's

1745
01:44:48.880 --> 01:44:51.439
just what and she's got that husky you know, six

1746
01:44:51.520 --> 01:44:54.600
pounds a day. What the fuck is wrong with you?

1747
01:44:54.920 --> 01:44:57.880
I mean, she's just she's just wonderful. Right, But she's

1748
01:44:58.000 --> 01:45:02.479
just like she's a treasure. I more work for her

1749
01:45:02.880 --> 01:45:05.920
whenever please, in any way, shape or form. I just

1750
01:45:06.039 --> 01:45:08.800
am a massive fan of hers makes me want to

1751
01:45:08.840 --> 01:45:10.880
go back and watch Star Trek.

1752
01:45:12.239 --> 01:45:14.199
Right now up on the clock there, and I'm like, oh,

1753
01:45:14.319 --> 01:45:15.399
maybe I need to start watching that.

1754
01:45:15.560 --> 01:45:16.279
What a great show.

1755
01:45:16.359 --> 01:45:16.439
You know.

1756
01:45:16.479 --> 01:45:18.560
There's another book that's come out that I hear they're

1757
01:45:18.600 --> 01:45:22.279
trying to see it, and that has found a way

1758
01:45:22.319 --> 01:45:24.880
to continue stories with maybe some new characters. But I've

1759
01:45:24.920 --> 01:45:26.359
heard good things about it. I haven't picked it up

1760
01:45:26.399 --> 01:45:29.680
to read yet, though, but I'll send you the link. Yeah, yeah,

1761
01:45:29.840 --> 01:45:31.800
pretty cool. I got one more here and then we'll

1762
01:45:31.840 --> 01:45:35.479
jump out, all right. Going into a Deep Space nine's

1763
01:45:35.479 --> 01:45:38.600
fourth season here an episode called The Muse. I would

1764
01:45:38.600 --> 01:45:42.279
I wish a very happy birthday to what I would

1765
01:45:42.600 --> 01:45:46.960
say officially would be genre legend Meg Foster. Right, I

1766
01:45:47.039 --> 01:45:51.520
would say absolutely. Meg Foster has done a ton of stuff.

1767
01:45:51.600 --> 01:45:54.239
I can't even begin to list at all. The first

1768
01:45:54.279 --> 01:45:56.119
two things that come from mind for me, though, is

1769
01:45:56.199 --> 01:45:58.520
she was really like an eighties luminary, right. She was

1770
01:45:58.560 --> 01:46:00.800
in a ton of stuff in the eighties. She was

1771
01:46:00.840 --> 01:46:03.920
in Masters of the Universe movie as Evil in I'm

1772
01:46:03.960 --> 01:46:08.159
sure Jim's seen that one, absolutely love it, and a

1773
01:46:08.359 --> 01:46:12.560
great role in John Carpenter's classic Timelier Than Ever picture

1774
01:46:12.720 --> 01:46:16.399
They Live from nineteen eighty eight as the character of Holly.

1775
01:46:17.279 --> 01:46:20.640
But she's just really really cool has done. She was

1776
01:46:20.680 --> 01:46:23.880
in Twin Peaks. She's just you know, check her out

1777
01:46:23.920 --> 01:46:25.560
on the IMBB. But if you watched a lot of

1778
01:46:25.600 --> 01:46:30.800
horror movies or thrillers, right, the Lords of Salem, Xena Warrior,

1779
01:46:30.880 --> 01:46:35.800
Princess Sliders, I could go on and on and on, right,

1780
01:46:35.880 --> 01:46:37.760
I mean, she's just done a ton of cool stuff.

1781
01:46:37.840 --> 01:46:42.159
She's super striking eyes like nobody else, really really a

1782
01:46:42.239 --> 01:46:45.439
cool character. So happy birthday to all of you may

1783
01:46:45.600 --> 01:46:48.720
cats and kittens, and I hope you live long, prosper

1784
01:46:49.359 --> 01:46:53.640
and more work for sure. Sloop please if we could, please,

1785
01:46:54.279 --> 01:46:57.199
and now, Uncle Jim, what the talks do you have

1786
01:46:57.319 --> 01:46:59.520
to wish? A happy birthday for this one?

1787
01:47:00.159 --> 01:47:03.000
Thank you so much, Paul, I only have two. First,

1788
01:47:03.039 --> 01:47:06.119
we'd like to say Happy birthday to Brian Jay Cousins.

1789
01:47:06.479 --> 01:47:09.840
He appeared in two episodes of TNG. He played Krisis,

1790
01:47:10.079 --> 01:47:13.119
the Borg and Dissent part one and two and Pair

1791
01:47:13.199 --> 01:47:16.399
them a Romulan in the next phase. He also appeared

1792
01:47:16.520 --> 01:47:21.000
in Star Trek Enterprise episode Katwalk as Peltani. Happy Birthday

1793
01:47:21.399 --> 01:47:24.319
to Brian Cousins and areas up there on the screen.

1794
01:47:24.920 --> 01:47:27.520
And last on my list is a guy we talked

1795
01:47:27.560 --> 01:47:30.960
about last week and our poll questions. Happy birthday to

1796
01:47:31.119 --> 01:47:34.840
David Clennan. He's the American actor who played doctor Krell

1797
01:47:34.920 --> 01:47:39.880
must set the medical Consultant program Beta on the Voyager

1798
01:47:39.960 --> 01:47:43.920
episode Nothing Human, And if you guys listened to last

1799
01:47:43.960 --> 01:47:47.560
week's podcast, we had a rather lengthy discussion about him.

1800
01:47:47.960 --> 01:47:52.079
Happy Birthday to David Clennan. And with that it wraps

1801
01:47:52.159 --> 01:47:54.520
up our birthdays, and that means it's time to go

1802
01:47:54.680 --> 01:47:59.560
into our Star Trek news and we do have a

1803
01:47:59.560 --> 01:48:02.840
aquip for that, which is right here.

1804
01:48:04.000 --> 01:48:07.640
Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on secured channel,

1805
01:48:08.600 --> 01:48:16.279
incoming transmission enter authorization code, command codes verified, Define parameters

1806
01:48:16.319 --> 01:48:23.680
of program level nine, authorization required, specifying parameters. Transfer updata

1807
01:48:23.840 --> 01:48:24.359
is complete.

1808
01:48:25.119 --> 01:48:27.880
A blank alert, A blank alert.

1809
01:48:28.600 --> 01:48:30.600
All right, Eric, you get to start us off this

1810
01:48:30.720 --> 01:48:34.680
week with one of our most popular segments, Jim.

1811
01:48:34.840 --> 01:48:38.079
One of my favorite things about Shatner says, what is it?

1812
01:48:39.119 --> 01:48:44.199
Literally is completely unpredictable and you never know exactly what

1813
01:48:44.399 --> 01:48:48.000
he's going to say. This week, I'm with the shat

1814
01:48:48.760 --> 01:48:53.720
TV legend. William Shatner fires back at Trump's insulting offer.

1815
01:48:54.319 --> 01:48:57.560
William Shatner slammed Donald Trump earlier this week after the

1816
01:48:57.640 --> 01:49:02.880
US President continued to entertain Canada becoming the fifty first

1817
01:49:03.039 --> 01:49:06.840
state despite getting a hard no from Canadian Prime Minister

1818
01:49:07.000 --> 01:49:11.560
Mark Carney. This is acidine. Moments after Carney emphasized that

1819
01:49:11.640 --> 01:49:14.560
Canada was not for sale during the meeting, Trump responded,

1820
01:49:15.000 --> 01:49:20.439
never say never, William Shatner said, make a counteroffer. Let's

1821
01:49:20.520 --> 01:49:23.359
offer to the United States to be the eleventh province.

1822
01:49:23.640 --> 01:49:27.359
Think of the joy and it's the best thing. He continued.

1823
01:49:27.720 --> 01:49:30.199
Here you have a friendly group of people saying come

1824
01:49:30.279 --> 01:49:33.560
on over, it's cleaner, there's plenty of power. There's some

1825
01:49:33.840 --> 01:49:36.359
lovely people who want to work with you. Be our

1826
01:49:36.399 --> 01:49:41.680
eleventh province. Shatton had declared Americans have so much to

1827
01:49:41.760 --> 01:49:46.680
gain from taking the proposed deal, including greater access to poutine,

1828
01:49:47.479 --> 01:49:53.640
patch of flavored potatoes nips. I'm scoring free healthcare. If

1829
01:49:53.680 --> 01:49:56.359
you are angry about my post in the US becoming

1830
01:49:56.520 --> 01:50:00.800
a Canadian province, imagine how Canadians felt when an actual

1831
01:50:00.960 --> 01:50:04.640
leader of a friendly neighboring country floated that idea across

1832
01:50:04.720 --> 01:50:09.319
the border. Doesn't feel good? Does it learn a lesson

1833
01:50:09.920 --> 01:50:13.600
from it? Oh? My gosh, that was on point with

1834
01:50:13.680 --> 01:50:14.279
this one man.

1835
01:50:15.319 --> 01:50:17.239
That Daddy strikes again.

1836
01:50:18.039 --> 01:50:21.000
So that I love the whole like greater access to

1837
01:50:21.119 --> 01:50:23.640
boutine and catch up flavored potato Jens.

1838
01:50:24.079 --> 01:50:26.880
Now, when you were when you were reading that, did

1839
01:50:27.159 --> 01:50:28.479
you read it in Shatner?

1840
01:50:29.000 --> 01:50:29.159
Well?

1841
01:50:29.359 --> 01:50:31.920
I thought I thought it in in Shatner's voice. But

1842
01:50:32.680 --> 01:50:34.800
what is kind of fun is to like remember that

1843
01:50:34.880 --> 01:50:37.680
he's Canadian, right, and that he has this like Canadian

1844
01:50:37.840 --> 01:50:41.640
identity despite the fact that he's the most popular guy

1845
01:50:41.720 --> 01:50:46.880
in a you know, American television series. So I would

1846
01:50:47.079 --> 01:50:50.439
if I was to meet Shatner, I would say, sir,

1847
01:50:50.920 --> 01:50:54.600
do you like eat more candy bars? And unless you're

1848
01:50:54.640 --> 01:50:57.720
familiar with Canadian candy you may not get that.

1849
01:51:01.000 --> 01:51:05.159
H check Daddy. I love it all right, Charles, You've

1850
01:51:05.159 --> 01:51:08.159
got our next one, buddy, Okay.

1851
01:51:09.680 --> 01:51:16.439
How Star Trek Enterprise creators feel about the controversial series finale.

1852
01:51:18.159 --> 01:51:23.319
The final episode of Enterprise was rather disappointing. The show's creators,

1853
01:51:23.399 --> 01:51:27.520
Rick Berman and Breman Brega had intended for the show

1854
01:51:27.680 --> 01:51:33.079
to last several more years before climenting with a format

1855
01:51:33.279 --> 01:51:38.560
federation in twenty one sixty one. A final episode called

1856
01:51:38.600 --> 01:51:42.239
The Years of Voyages may thirteen, two thousand and five,

1857
01:51:42.960 --> 01:51:46.520
rushed the intended finale via a time shift forward to

1858
01:51:46.560 --> 01:51:50.079
the days of Star Trek Next Generation and presented its

1859
01:51:50.119 --> 01:51:55.520
events as a mere Holidays simulation. Fourth season of Enterprise

1860
01:51:55.760 --> 01:52:01.039
took roughly around twenty one fifty five. Season finale, however,

1861
01:52:01.199 --> 01:52:05.720
skipped ahead to twenty three seventy concurrently with the seventh

1862
01:52:06.479 --> 01:52:10.039
season of Star Trek Next Generation, which aired in nineteen

1863
01:52:10.159 --> 01:52:16.319
ninety four. Jonathan Franks and Marina Series, who played Commander

1864
01:52:16.399 --> 01:52:20.560
Reiker and Counselor Troying Next Generation, were recent were seen

1865
01:52:21.159 --> 01:52:25.319
recreating the Enterprises characters in the Holidack of the us

1866
01:52:25.439 --> 01:52:30.199
IS Enterprise. D Braga has heard the criticisms, but was

1867
01:52:30.239 --> 01:52:34.039
still somewhat defensive, feeling that he and his co writer

1868
01:52:34.199 --> 01:52:39.079
Rick Berman had begun the finale with a true, truly

1869
01:52:39.399 --> 01:52:43.319
fun conceit. I thought it was the coolest thing ever

1870
01:52:43.560 --> 01:52:47.279
that we were writing it the idea of doing the

1871
01:52:47.399 --> 01:52:50.680
losts episode of Next Generation, but they're going to have

1872
01:52:50.760 --> 01:52:55.239
a Holidack that looks back at the Enterprise freaking, and

1873
01:52:55.279 --> 01:52:57.399
I thought it was a great send up to Star Trek.

1874
01:52:58.119 --> 01:53:00.760
And it didn't work out so well. It kind of

1875
01:53:00.880 --> 01:53:04.039
was a flap in the face of Enterprise actors. I

1876
01:53:04.159 --> 01:53:08.760
heard from everybody. It was the only time Scott Bacula was.

1877
01:53:08.800 --> 01:53:09.560
Ever mean to me.

1878
01:53:09.840 --> 01:53:10.520
I regret it.

1879
01:53:11.680 --> 01:53:15.600
Star Trek Enterprises isn't wholly beloved, isn't wholly beloved by

1880
01:53:15.640 --> 01:53:19.000
all Trekkies. But it's better. It's better than the credit

1881
01:53:19.159 --> 01:53:24.279
got for it's more. It deserved more, And yes, I

1882
01:53:24.439 --> 01:53:28.119
think it deserved a lot more. That episode just kind

1883
01:53:28.159 --> 01:53:34.119
of fell flat and really did not give the show

1884
01:53:34.520 --> 01:53:39.920
its ending for only being four seasons. I always look

1885
01:53:39.960 --> 01:53:42.079
at the one time I saw the episode and it's like.

1886
01:53:43.159 --> 01:53:44.359
I wanted to hear the speech.

1887
01:53:46.119 --> 01:53:48.359
I wanted to hear the speech that he would say,

1888
01:53:48.399 --> 01:53:50.920
and we got a little piece of the speech and

1889
01:53:51.079 --> 01:53:54.399
nothing else, and we've never gotten details of what he

1890
01:53:54.479 --> 01:53:55.800
ever did say in that speech.

1891
01:53:58.319 --> 01:54:00.880
Well, I think that that EPISODS would have been more

1892
01:54:00.960 --> 01:54:04.199
well received by fans if it was not the final episode.

1893
01:54:04.199 --> 01:54:06.520
If they had done it earlier and it was just

1894
01:54:06.600 --> 01:54:09.119
a Holod Deck adventure, it would have been cool. But

1895
01:54:09.239 --> 01:54:12.640
to end it that way and have Trip die off

1896
01:54:12.760 --> 01:54:14.880
screen like that, I think that's what upset a lot

1897
01:54:14.920 --> 01:54:19.279
of the fans. Yeah, so all right, guys, Well I

1898
01:54:19.359 --> 01:54:21.399
have the next story and it's near and dear to

1899
01:54:21.479 --> 01:54:24.479
my heart. We're talking about William Shatner again, and this

1900
01:54:24.640 --> 01:54:28.039
is not quite Shatner says, but it's pretty close. William

1901
01:54:28.079 --> 01:54:30.960
Shatner and his decision not to go back and re

1902
01:54:31.239 --> 01:54:34.720
edit Star Trek five, which breaks my heart truly, because

1903
01:54:34.800 --> 01:54:38.119
I love Star Trek five. Over the past few years,

1904
01:54:38.399 --> 01:54:41.039
we've seen Francis Ford Coppola go back over a number

1905
01:54:41.039 --> 01:54:43.239
of his films to give them a few nips and

1906
01:54:43.399 --> 01:54:47.960
tucks and oversee their remasters. Really, Scott is no stranger

1907
01:54:48.000 --> 01:54:51.920
to extended versions of his movies. Sylvester's Thlown meanwhile, managed

1908
01:54:51.960 --> 01:54:54.720
to suck virtually all the fun out of Rocky four.

1909
01:54:55.279 --> 01:54:58.199
William Shatner had a contract on Star Trek that allowed

1910
01:54:58.239 --> 01:55:01.560
him to basically do whatever Leonard Nimoy got to do.

1911
01:55:02.279 --> 01:55:05.159
Nimoy directed Star Trek three, The Search for Spock and

1912
01:55:05.239 --> 01:55:08.800
Star Trek four The Voyage Home. As such, Shantner was

1913
01:55:08.840 --> 01:55:12.399
able to activate the contract clause and make his debut

1914
01:55:12.840 --> 01:55:17.159
directing Star Trek five. The final front twer quote. My

1915
01:55:17.319 --> 01:55:20.399
thought was, Star Trek goes in search of God. As

1916
01:55:20.479 --> 01:55:23.760
a result, we find the devil. And what a great sentence. Right,

1917
01:55:24.399 --> 01:55:28.439
Everyone's got a different God, and we're going to alienate people. Finally,

1918
01:55:28.800 --> 01:55:31.840
somebody said, what happens if we use an alien who

1919
01:55:31.920 --> 01:55:34.640
thinks he's God? And I agreed to that in order

1920
01:55:34.720 --> 01:55:37.640
to get the film made. Reflecting on The Final Frontier,

1921
01:55:37.760 --> 01:55:41.239
Shatner was quite segouine when asked, why not go in

1922
01:55:41.319 --> 01:55:43.960
and re edit it and maybe put out another cut

1923
01:55:44.119 --> 01:55:47.520
of the film. He's not going to do it. I

1924
01:55:47.680 --> 01:55:51.239
think I'd be too sad about Star Trek five, he conceded.

1925
01:55:51.520 --> 01:55:54.319
In my mind, it had great promise, the ultimate Star

1926
01:55:54.439 --> 01:55:59.119
Trek film. We had all these magnificent ideas and it failed. Essentially,

1927
01:55:59.520 --> 01:56:02.640
it's a U who's disappointment to me, I thought, because

1928
01:56:02.640 --> 01:56:04.720
I've got a good sense of vision and what I

1929
01:56:04.800 --> 01:56:06.880
want to do with the camera, that sort of thing.

1930
01:56:07.279 --> 01:56:09.159
I didn't achieve what I wanted to do for a

1931
01:56:09.279 --> 01:56:12.520
variety of reasons, many of which were not up to me.

1932
01:56:13.159 --> 01:56:15.960
Shatner has thus decided to let Start Trek five the

1933
01:56:16.039 --> 01:56:20.239
Final Frontier be and long ago moved on. There's never

1934
01:56:20.359 --> 01:56:22.600
even been a hint of a recut on the cards,

1935
01:56:22.880 --> 01:56:24.880
and it strikes me that the reason for this is

1936
01:56:24.960 --> 01:56:28.239
William Shatner himself. The movie remains a little bit of

1937
01:56:28.279 --> 01:56:33.279
an open wound, albeit one i'd suggest that now looks

1938
01:56:33.479 --> 01:56:38.880
slightly kinder to older eyes. And Paul Paul, I got

1939
01:56:38.960 --> 01:56:41.560
this one specifically for you, Buddy Hell.

1940
01:56:41.600 --> 01:56:44.800
Thank chuckle, Jim Well, let's wrestle up Atto our action

1941
01:56:45.039 --> 01:56:49.840
figure of ficionados here and talk about this new revelation

1942
01:56:50.399 --> 01:56:53.159
that Captain Pike returns to higher toys from Star Trek

1943
01:56:53.239 --> 01:56:56.960
Strange New Worlds. Hey toys, Captain Christopher Pike, We're trained

1944
01:56:57.000 --> 01:57:00.520
by Anson Mount in Star Trek Strange New Worlds become

1945
01:57:00.600 --> 01:57:04.479
a fan favorite with the iconic Starfleet. Captain introduced the

1946
01:57:04.560 --> 01:57:07.359
original nineteen sixty Star Trek Pilot and later revisited the

1947
01:57:07.439 --> 01:57:11.520
Star Trek Discovery. Pike was given renewed life in Strange

1948
01:57:11.600 --> 01:57:16.279
New Worlds as Captain of the USS Enterprise before James T. Kirk.

1949
01:57:17.239 --> 01:57:20.479
Captain Pike is now joining Hyatoy's growing Star Trek collection

1950
01:57:20.680 --> 01:57:24.039
as the latest one twelve scale figure, standing six point

1951
01:57:24.079 --> 01:57:27.840
three inches tall. This Captain faithfully captures this design from

1952
01:57:27.880 --> 01:57:30.479
Strange New Worlds with a fabric outfit and two swappable

1953
01:57:30.520 --> 01:57:34.399
head sculps. Other accessories include a phaser, a communicator, a

1954
01:57:34.479 --> 01:57:37.359
data pad, a variety of entertainable hands in a display base.

1955
01:57:37.960 --> 01:57:41.279
We are proud to announce the exquisite super series product

1956
01:57:41.399 --> 01:57:43.079
of the Star Trek line a scene in the TV

1957
01:57:43.199 --> 01:57:46.159
series Star Trek Strange New Worlds. The one twelve scale

1958
01:57:46.239 --> 01:57:49.000
Christopher Pike action figure Take Your Star Trek to New

1959
01:57:49.039 --> 01:57:54.239
Worlds for eighty nine to ninety nine and pre orders

1960
01:57:54.279 --> 01:57:58.960
are alive with a Q one twenty twenty six release. Wow,

1961
01:58:00.560 --> 01:58:03.479
that is now one twelve scale. Friends, is about six

1962
01:58:03.600 --> 01:58:06.960
inch scale. It's like the type of thing that you

1963
01:58:07.079 --> 01:58:10.119
were seeing like Nassel put out for what is it,

1964
01:58:10.439 --> 01:58:14.199
thirty dollars? Thirty five dollars, I believe right with a

1965
01:58:14.520 --> 01:58:19.479
fist full of accessories. This is a rather extravagant price point.

1966
01:58:19.600 --> 01:58:22.199
And you know, I'll tell you what I love. Star

1967
01:58:22.279 --> 01:58:24.079
Trek action figures. I collect tons of them. I have

1968
01:58:24.119 --> 01:58:26.560
all these different ones over the years, right, quite a few.

1969
01:58:27.720 --> 01:58:32.199
And I am no stranger to toy store, department store,

1970
01:58:32.239 --> 01:58:36.800
toy departments, toy aisles, comic book shops. I frequent often.

1971
01:58:37.399 --> 01:58:39.840
I have still never seen a single highest Star Trek

1972
01:58:39.920 --> 01:58:43.520
figure in the wild. Ever. I've seen a lot of

1973
01:58:43.600 --> 01:58:45.560
other things I makes, but I don't know how they

1974
01:58:45.640 --> 01:58:47.279
distributing these things. I know you can order them one

1975
01:58:47.359 --> 01:58:50.479
big bad toy store and maybe Amazon, but I've never

1976
01:58:50.520 --> 01:58:54.399
seen him distributed anywhere brick and mortar, so thankfully to me,

1977
01:58:55.319 --> 01:58:57.000
I'd love to see him so I could check them out.

1978
01:58:57.119 --> 01:58:59.600
But you know, I kind of like to see before

1979
01:58:59.600 --> 01:59:02.479
I buy, so we'll see where that goes. But anyhow,

1980
01:59:03.000 --> 01:59:03.359
it from.

1981
01:59:03.319 --> 01:59:07.039
It's ninety bucks and it's made in China, so it's

1982
01:59:07.079 --> 01:59:07.640
a pair of.

1983
01:59:07.800 --> 01:59:13.399
Time well still but still, like I think that's a point, man.

1984
01:59:13.479 --> 01:59:16.840
I buy a lot. I buy actually figures from like companies,

1985
01:59:17.920 --> 01:59:20.520
but no like from Mafex right that does the Star

1986
01:59:20.640 --> 01:59:23.600
Wars license and s H figures it does a Star

1987
01:59:23.680 --> 01:59:27.920
Wars license, relatively same scale and real premium product, right,

1988
01:59:28.039 --> 01:59:31.319
and you they average amount seventy to ninety bucks depending

1989
01:59:31.319 --> 01:59:33.199
on what you get, Like they got general grievous coming

1990
01:59:33.199 --> 01:59:34.520
out in the fall. It's like, you know, that's a

1991
01:59:34.600 --> 01:59:36.880
ninety five dollars figure pre tariff.

1992
01:59:37.079 --> 01:59:37.199
Right.

1993
01:59:37.279 --> 01:59:40.359
These these are high end you know, die cast collectibles

1994
01:59:40.520 --> 01:59:42.960
that are you know, have been around for like ten

1995
01:59:43.039 --> 01:59:46.039
years and more. Right, they have a reputation. They really

1996
01:59:46.199 --> 01:59:48.079
deliver the goods. You get what you pay for. I

1997
01:59:48.159 --> 01:59:51.439
mean you really do. This on paper looks good, but

1998
01:59:52.000 --> 01:59:56.319
I don't know. I've only seen the little higher figures.

1999
01:59:56.359 --> 02:00:00.760
The Exquisite minis this quote unquote exquisite super series. I've

2000
02:00:00.880 --> 02:00:03.119
never seen them to this day and age, right, so

2001
02:00:03.239 --> 02:00:07.479
I know they're out there, supposedly, assuming there's no production delays.

2002
02:00:07.840 --> 02:00:09.720
You know, maybe get on our good side, high and

2003
02:00:09.840 --> 02:00:12.680
send us some samples here talking and beyond, and maybe

2004
02:00:12.720 --> 02:00:16.159
we could be a little bit more enthusiastic. But I

2005
02:00:16.279 --> 02:00:17.720
need to see what you guys are up to, and

2006
02:00:17.840 --> 02:00:21.239
they're not making it very easy. So I'm intrigued from

2007
02:00:21.319 --> 02:00:26.720
a theoretical sense. But you know, also I'm not getting

2008
02:00:26.720 --> 02:00:30.359
real good since that likeness and these like pictures taken

2009
02:00:30.399 --> 02:00:32.720
from like one hundred yards away, right, It's like, get

2010
02:00:32.800 --> 02:00:34.760
up there and show me what that likeness looks like.

2011
02:00:35.000 --> 02:00:37.239
I want to see if it looks like Ansen. I

2012
02:00:37.319 --> 02:00:39.399
want to see if it's you know, isn't worth the

2013
02:00:39.560 --> 02:00:41.239
dough here. I mean, I don't know that it's worth

2014
02:00:41.279 --> 02:00:43.800
thirty dollars to rank so.

2015
02:00:45.319 --> 02:00:47.279
Well. I can see in the picture right here they

2016
02:00:47.359 --> 02:00:50.479
got Pike's point Pike's peak wrong because his hair isn't

2017
02:00:50.520 --> 02:00:54.399
sticking up high enough. So Pike's peak.

2018
02:00:55.880 --> 02:00:58.000
All right, Yeah, I mean I'm super curious, super cerious,

2019
02:00:58.039 --> 02:01:03.680
but you know, to be continued, Yeah, Quo in the chat.

2020
02:01:03.600 --> 02:01:04.680
He doesn't have enough hair.

2021
02:01:06.279 --> 02:01:09.640
Yep, Pike's peak, Pike's Peak, buddy. You guys want to

2022
02:01:09.680 --> 02:01:13.680
mark your calendars because we're going to be having Alex

2023
02:01:13.920 --> 02:01:17.279
Deal on the show on June twelfth, So mark your

2024
02:01:17.359 --> 02:01:19.159
calendars for that is going to be a lot of fun.

2025
02:01:19.600 --> 02:01:22.239
And please head over to chruck Talking dot com and

2026
02:01:22.359 --> 02:01:25.159
you can check out all of our previous podcast. I'm

2027
02:01:25.199 --> 02:01:27.279
your most excellent host, Uncle Jim, and I want to

2028
02:01:27.279 --> 02:01:29.560
take a moment to say thank you to Paul for

2029
02:01:29.640 --> 02:01:31.760
hanging out and trek talking with us tonight.

2030
02:01:31.840 --> 02:01:34.680
Thank you Paul, so much fun. I cannot wait for

2031
02:01:34.760 --> 02:01:38.079
next week to wrap up our and or coverage. It's

2032
02:01:38.119 --> 02:01:40.159
going to be nuts. I mean, we're gonna want to

2033
02:01:40.199 --> 02:01:42.199
get right in there. So love to say, but this

2034
02:01:42.239 --> 02:01:45.119
has been really fun branching out from beyond the Star

2035
02:01:45.239 --> 02:01:46.520
Trek and enjoying it very much.

2036
02:01:47.039 --> 02:01:49.800
Thank you absolutely, and thank you so much to Eric

2037
02:01:49.840 --> 02:01:51.199
for hanging out and truck talking with us.

2038
02:01:51.279 --> 02:01:53.640
Thank you Eric absolutely, Thanks guys.

2039
02:01:54.039 --> 02:01:56.439
And thank you to Charles Swinging Palm trees and all

2040
02:01:56.520 --> 02:01:59.880
for hanging out with us tonight. Thank you enjoyed the show,

2041
02:02:01.880 --> 02:02:03.920
and thank you, of course to our very own miracle

2042
02:02:03.960 --> 02:02:06.680
worker David for hanging out with us. Thank you so much, David.

2043
02:02:07.560 --> 02:02:11.800
It's been really fun and I'm your most excellent host saying,

2044
02:02:11.800 --> 02:02:14.920
everybody please stay safe, be good to each other. Star

2045
02:02:15.000 --> 02:02:17.680
Trek fans are the best fans, Live long and prosper.

2046
02:02:18.000 --> 02:02:19.560
Good night, everybody, good.

2047
02:02:19.479 --> 02:02:23.159
Night, Live long, prosper. Hello humans, All.

2048
02:02:23.079 --> 02:02:30.840
Stations ready for departure, Sir, some problem, Ryker, just hoping

2049
02:02:30.920 --> 02:02:32.880
this isn't the usual way our missions will go, sir,

2050
02:02:33.560 --> 02:02:36.560
Oh no, no, but what I'm sure most will be

2051
02:02:36.720 --> 02:02:37.560
much more interesting.

2052
02:02:41.600 --> 02:02:45.720
Let's see what's out there. Engage