May 2, 2025

Episode 634-Star Wars Andor Part 1 review/discussion

Episode 634-Star Wars Andor Part 1 review/discussion

In this episode of Trek Talking and Beyond, Uncle Jim and his cohosts dive into the world of Star Wars and Andor, celebrating Charles' birthday and engaging with fans from around the globe. They discuss the first three episodes of Andor, share fan...

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In this episode of Trek Talking and Beyond, Uncle Jim and his cohosts dive into the world of Star Wars and Andor, celebrating Charles' birthday and engaging with fans from around the globe. They discuss the first three episodes of Andor, share fan shout-outs, and delve into ethical discussions surrounding Star Trek, including a poll about Captain Picard's decision to violate the Prime Directive. The episode wraps up with a light-hearted poll about Riker's various beards, showcasing the fun and camaraderie of the podcast. In this conversation, the hosts discuss various aspects of the Star Wars universe, focusing on the recent episodes of Andor Season 2. They delve into character developments, thematic elements, and the overall narrative structure of the show, highlighting the unique storytelling style that sets it apart from traditional Star Wars narratives. The discussion also touches on the visual design and set authenticity, comparing it to other franchises. The conversation delves into the storytelling structure of the series 'Andor', discussing its connection to 'Rogue One' and the character development within the show. The participants express diverging opinions on the series, with some praising its depth and others criticizing its pacing and themes. The discussion also touches on the expectations for future episodes and the overall reception of the series among fans, culminating in a rating of the first three episodes. In this episode, the hosts celebrate Star Trek birthdays, discuss William Shatner's controversial views on presentism and its impact on media, and delve into the effects of tariffs on collectibles. They also explore the evolution of characters in the upcoming Starfleet Academy series and the canon status of Star Trek novels, particularly focusing on Gene Roddenberry's only novelization of The Motion Picture.

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Coming well, good evening Trek E's Trekkers and Star Wars

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fans around the globe.

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I had to add that one in there. Welcome to

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Trek Talking and Beyond. That's right, Beyond is back. We're

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back from the Beyond. And it's Thursday, May first, twenty

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twenty five, episode six hundred and thirty four. Can you

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believe that? And we're gonna go beyond tonight. We're gonna

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be talking about Star Wars indoor. See see my Darth

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Vader shirt here. So we're gonna be spreading our wings

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a little bit. And for the next month we're gonna

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be talking about Star Wars and Or. But before I

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get ahead of myself, I'm your most excellent host, Uncle Jim.

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Welcome to the podcast. I want to introduce you to

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my awesome trek experts. We'll start out with Paul. Paul's

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out in Portland. How you doing tonight, Paul?

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I'm well, Uncle Jim, busy, crazy week, but ready to

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dive into the phenomenon that is and Or tonight.

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And we are gonna dive deep, deep, deep dive. Also

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in Portland, we have a very own Eric. How you

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doing tonight? Eric?

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Doing pretty good?

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Man.

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I got some contractors working in the studio right now,

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so I'm in Studio B accompanied by my good friend

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Grogu and gig It out the Transformer over here, and

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a few other friends on my shelf. So yeah, really

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looking forward to talking about and Or tonight.

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Awesome, awesome, And we're gonna stick with the Portland theme

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and we're going to go out to our very own

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miracle worker himself, David. How you doing tonight, David?

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I'm doing pretty good. I can't wait to talk about

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and Or while I eat some donuts.

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Uh oh, they're not moldy donuts. You're not going to

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get sick like that moldy cheese incident we had before,

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are you nope? No?

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Good? Make sure you bringing up for everybody too, you know.

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And also not from Portland but from Las Vegas, the

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birthday boy himself, Charles. How you doing tonight, Charles?

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I'm doing good. I may be more listening to the

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and door stuff because I have not gotten around to

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it yet, but maybe it has encouraged me to finally

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get two it this summer.

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Absolutely absolutely, and usually I would play this really funky,

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weird Al Yankovic version of Happy Birthday, but that was

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on blog talk radio and it went away. So I

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guess we're just gonna have to suffice by saying Happy

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Birthday to Charles, and that it's been a lot of

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fun having you on the podcast these last few years,

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and I look forward to many more podcasts with you.

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Happy Birthday, my friend. Thank you.

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Same here.

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to send that out to you. So on tonight's show,

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we're going to be talking about and Or Park one,

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which is going to be episodes one through three one

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year later, Sargrona, Tima, and Harvest. We're going to talk

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about all three of those episodes because they release them

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in blocks of three, and if I'm correct in my assumption,

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each block is a year, So this was four years

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prior to Battle of Yavin and then the one the

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next one is going to be you know, another year

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and another year, and the final episode will be one

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year before if I'm reading them correct. So that's what

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we're going to talk about. We also have our fans

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shout outs, and that's where we get to say thank

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you to fans just like you out there for supporting

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our podcast. All Star Trek is global, and you're going

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to find out just how global it really is with

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our fans shout out. We also have some Star Trek polls,

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and every week I try to dig really deep, get some.

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Ethical conversations going. And I decided, you know, I've been

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deep and ethical for long enough, so let's just do

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something stupid and something fun. So one of our polls

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this week is entitled rikers Beard. We did this once

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a couple of years ago on blog talk radio, and

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now we're going to do it here, and we're gonna

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we're gonna discuss the different phases of Riker's beard and

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exactly what version of Riker beard you guys like them best.

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But you're not going to get off really that easy

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because I do have another ethical question the time that

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Captain the Card violated the prime directive to save Wesley's life.

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going to have some fun with that. We also have

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a Star Trek Birthdays where you can find out what

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Star Trek actors you share a birthday with other than Charles.

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And of course we're gonna wrap things up with our

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Star Trek News. We have an article about the Doctor

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talking about Starfleet Academy. Chattner says what and the terrible

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effects that tariffs are having.

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On Star Trek collectibles. So that's what we have plan.

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And while you're over on our Facebook page, which you

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can get through Tough Trek Talking dot Com or you

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see pin to the top of the page, Live Long

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and prosper and on there, I'm just going to ask

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you to tell us where you're listening from and leave

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some emoji's there because it gets my attention. And if

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you see a heart next to your name from yours

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truly uncle Jim, that means you want to tune in

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because your name is going to be mentioned and a

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fan shout out. So Eric, take us away and get

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us started with our fan shout outs for this week.

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Absolutely, Jim, we're gonna We're gonna start out this week

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heading over to the Scottish Highlands and we're gonna say

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hello to William Dunbar. Thanks William for saying hello to us,

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and I cannot wait to make it to your part

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of the world. It looks so beautiful there. Yeah there's

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a and I want a real, real Scotch egg, not

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one from the German restaurant down the street. So thanks

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for saying hi to us, and live long and prosper

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to you, sir. Also saying hello this week to Bao

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to Rosa ros Angela Prato who is from Bao or

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Zanci in the state of menas ure Ice and I

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look those up and mostly got the pronunciations right. That's

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in Brazil. We have tons of support down in Brazil

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and ros Angela. You are one of those amazing supporters

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that keeps our flame burning in that beautiful place. So

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thank you so much for listening to our podcast. Also

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saying hello this week to Ed Bjorndahl, who is saying

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hello to us from Charlottetown, Prince Edward Island up north

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in Canada, the birthplace of Confederation. That's right, eighteen sixty four,

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that's when y'all decided to form your situation up there.

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So Ed, thanks for pointing that out to me. It

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was something that I didn't really know about, and I

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went and looked it up. Thank you for listening to

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our podcast. And last but not least, I want to

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say hello this week to Jan James, who is saying

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hello to us from the Gold Coast in Australia, living

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us that Astro flag, which I'm positive is what got

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Jim's attention, good thinking. Thanks Jan for listening. Charles, who

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do you want to say hi to?

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Thank you Eric. Let's start off with a couple of

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top fans. Top fan of Heidi Potts from Tacoma, Washington.

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Welcome a, Heidi. I love heading to your area right

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around Laborty weekend. Welcome a top fan Jeffrey Wilson from Wooster, Ohio.

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Welcome Jeffrey. Welcome Rob Robertson, who started in Rhode Island,

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moved to Massachusetts, then the Vermont with Uncle Jim, and

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then went to New Hampshire where he thinks he's finally

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gonna stay. I guess you scared him off, Jim, and

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also welcome to Joshua Cronan from Minneapolis, Minnesota. Welcome Josha

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and Robert. David who's on your list?

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list with Steve Broffman from Cleveland, Ohio. Thank you for listening,

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and I got a top fan here. David Walker from Boise, Idaho, USA.

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Thanks for listening and let's see next time my listens

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Amy Joe tim from Green Bay, wisconshin thanks for listening.

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And another top fan, Jimmy Barker from California Live, Wyoming.

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Thank you all for listening. And Paul who's on your.

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List, Well, you know David Idaho, Ohio, Florida. They're all great, right,

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I mean, yeah, but I like the fact that we

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have international flair, right, that we have people in other lands,

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other countries or the languages who not only like Star

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Trek and science fiction, but like our podcast. To me,

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that feels pretty good. First of all, we're going to

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go to the magnificent land of Iceland, Okay, to our

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pal Steiny Einar's who is saying hello to us from

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that magical It's not really a continent, really, it's really

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an island, a really big island. It's a subcontinent. Maybe

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we should call it a subcontinent, but whatever it is,

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Iceland is amazing. I spent a few hours there as

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a child, changing getting a plane refueled, so didn't get

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to see much other than the airport. But I'm dying

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to go back and immerse myself in one of those

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phenomenal hotsprings. So one of these days, Siny, I'll be

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darkening your door. Never worry. In another Nordic land, we

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have Helsinki, Finland, where our friend Johann Savola resides. So Johann,

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fantastic to know that you're out there spreading the science

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fiction enthusiasm that kindles you and keeps you warm in

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cold weather. So great to know. Moving to a little

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bit warmer are over on the continent. We have a

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top fan, Luciano Vulcan. I wonder if that's a birth name,

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Luciano or an adopted name. I'm not sure. It's certainly

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apropos to the Star Trek universe, though doesn't say where

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in Italy that Luciano is from. Piedmont's you know, Tuscany.

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It's up to us to guess. I guess. But next time, Luciano,

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let us know where you hell from? Where do you

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where do you? Where do you get your gelato? Where

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are you hanging out? We'd love to know and celebrate

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you even further. Top fan, Luciano Vulcan. So great to

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hear from you, And finally for me, We're gonna go

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to the magnificent country of Spain to Madrid and wow, Spaniards,

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you went through hell this week with that massive power

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outage that is still I think getting resolved. But Spain

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and Portugal got hit with a massive disruption of electricity

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this week, so and I'm hoping that our friend Rebecca

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Can you guys hear Can you hear me?

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Well, something something's wrong with my mic.

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No, we can hear you. Maybe you can't hear us.

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You know me like no win what you thought about

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Then we try to share your opinions with all of

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our minions out there because they listen worldwide.

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So tell us just what you think.

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Get together we will all drink.

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Canar and robulin an. All right, now, we can't hear

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Jim anymore, so I'm just gonna go ahead and go

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with the polls. So Jim's got two polls for us

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this week. The first one is from Next Generation. In

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the Next Generation episode Justice, Captain Picard violates the prime

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directive to save the life of Wesley Crusher. Do you

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agree with his choice? And David, you probably have a

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clip of this, right, let's do it?

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Bomb of time? What the boy brought here? Now?

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Brother?

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I guess you know a lot has happened. I know,

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can't the pig? Are you going to let them kill me?

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But I must find some way to prevent it. That

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you understand, how can we let this happen later?

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To her?

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They threaten everything we respect.

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Our law, our peace, a tranquility and order.

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You are powerful, but do not do this to us.

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We beg you at least study what we were without law,

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hurtful to each other, savage leaving. I understand perhaps your

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system of law and punishment is better than any system

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we once had, But we do now have a law

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I must obey, and part of it says that I

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must protect my people from harm.

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We did not ask you to come here, which with.

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Another law that we must obey. We are all sworn

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not to interfere with other lives in the galaxy. If

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I save this boy, I break that law, and you

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should be executed.

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If you do so, I.

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May suffer almost as much. Starfleet takes the prime directive

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very seriously.

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No, it is God who will punish you.

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That thought has crossed our minds. Your God up there

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may insists that we obey our non interference directive? Sir?

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Does this mean if you save me the entire crew

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could die?

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You're not involved in this decision, boy.

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I'm sorry, sir, but it seems like I am.

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We can't transport a will block into this signal stand

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by for six to be my Wesley, Lieutenant.

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Our laws have been violated. What a justice?

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What of justice to Wesley? Does he deserve to die?

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I'm truly sorry, Leato, but I must have justice for

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my people too. Transport room, energize, transporter.

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Room, come in. We can't energize the beams, sir.

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Everything checks out, but we're getting no results.

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God has prevented your escape, then your God is unfair.

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My son had no warning that his act was criminal.

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We cannot allow ignorance of the law to become a defense.

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I don't know how to communicate this, or even if

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it is possible, But the question of justice has concerned

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me greatly of late, and I say to any creature

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who may be listening, there can be no justice so

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long as laws are absolute. Even life itself is an

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exercise and exceptions.

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But has justice ever been as simple as a rule book?

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Seems to eat of a vote a Greece for him?

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Wow?

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What do you got to be?

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No justice? As long as laws are absolute, that they

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give him all the good lines?

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Man?

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Okay, So we asked our listeners if you know violating

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the prime directive in this case was a okay, And

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eighty nine percent of the people who responded to this

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poll said yeah, it was legit for Card to violate

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that prime directive to save Wesley, and eleven percent, which

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is a non zero number, said no, he should have

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let Wesley go. So I don't know, what do you

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guys think about this one?

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Well, David, you want to start anybody?

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Anybody?

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Can you guys hear me?

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Anybody?

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I'll jump I'll jump in. Okay, okay, a little bit

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of let's throw some lower decks in there. Why wasn't

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this planet's planet researched about the laws it had before

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we sent an away team on to this planet. I

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think that especially, I think the fact that if they

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have such major they have death, they have sending people

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to death for minor infractions, as I believe it was

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for him walking in the walking in the grass.

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Yep.

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Then I would say, okay, these are our laws. Oh

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and you didn't know about the laws, but these people

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are guessed to your planet. You sit there and say, okay,

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well you're breaking our laws. But it's not a law

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to me. And maybe I should have been more familiar

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with the laws of your planet before we came and visited,

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just as I have the issue complaining about California's they've

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got some laws that they are allowed that are not

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the same laws in Nevada. They are against the law

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in Nevada. And it's just okay. I think you need

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to understand the laws of where you're going to and

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first and second contact should know about this stuff before

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it occurs. So I agree with Ricard. I think he

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did the right thing and that she should not have

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been Can you guys hear me make since the Wesley

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didn execution when it's a law that we don't understand,

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we can hear you, Jim. We just can't see you.

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Anything going on. Hello, we're chit chatting.

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About the bull question.

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Yeah.

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All I know is I think that those wardrobe department

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choice should be against the law. I where no buttocks

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have gone before. I mean, there's like all kinds of

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visible nonsense happening that you know, no one really I

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think knew that there was a thing called high deaf

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coming and boy like everything, and it's just like this

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is I think one of the you know, it's just

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like we all now, uh you know, look, I think

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back very fondly on Next Gen. Right man, there were

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some clunky episodes in season one, and this is one

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of the clunkiest. Yeah, right, I mean it really is.

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It's just like the writing is so you know, college

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grad students, expository my feelings, what it is. It's just

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it's so not like normal dialogue. It's just really super

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tin eared. And lord, how high is Wesley's voice. I

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mean it's like it's like his voice isn't even when

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everybody's gonna die, everyone on the enterprise. So by I mean,

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it's just it's it's oh gosh.

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I mean, you know, he was growing up, dude, so

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we went through it.

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Yeah, but then maybe it was I know, you cause

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there's ways around it. Let's just put it that way.

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But yeah, I guess I would be with Picard. It's

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just this is an awful silly one. I mean, it

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really is. I mean, this is this is a very

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silly question, I think to be belabrick. So I'm quickly

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move on. Yes, Picard did, because you can't allow a

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regular character to get killed on an episode of ongoing

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television's solid solid pretty much not so. Yeah, I don't

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think there's any great ethical conundermere.

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Well, it's also reference. This was an this This was

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a season one episode eight episode.

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Very very very low. We can hear you.

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How about that very.

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Early in season one? We can hear you.

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Yeah, they were just finding their sea legs here.

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I don't know something I must it must be the

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storm here is effective on the internet. Because I'm losing

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you guys.

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I I can't hear Jim enough to up to him

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right now. So yeah, I think we should just go

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ahead and move on to our second poll question. David,

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watch play that video. Yeah, we can hear you, Jim.

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It's not technically a video, it's just a screen.

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Oh yeah, there's no video for this one. All right,

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So we asked our our listeners, Uh, which beard do

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you like the best? The zero Riker Beard, the one

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Riker Beard, the two riker beard, or all four Rikers?

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You can't make me go back.

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I'm pretty sure that's grateful dead or fish fish following

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Riker right following.

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It's it's constantly being attacked by the borg right.

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Bill, Bill Walton, Riker, I mean, unkempt beard is just

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not a good look. I mean, lord, lord lord. It

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just takes us back to our caveman origins.

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I mean, it is kind of amazing how different he

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looks with a beard versus no beard. In general, I

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you know, you forget about that season one where he

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didn't have the beard.

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Yeah, you do. And he's kind of likable without the beard, right,

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I mean, I you know, I mean it's everybody. It's

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so interesting to look at the first season stuff, right,

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because everyone really was finding their way, right and as

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as you know, he got a lot of grief for

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being wooden in the first season, right, But he's a

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very likable performer, right, he really is. I mean it's

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just like you go back this it's you know, it's

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you know, it's it's hard not to like his performances.

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He's really good. So I'm in the zero in one area.

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I think those you know, I think that's you know,

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not not so much gandalf Riker. I don't think I

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like that.

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I'm kind of in the same blacket here. I mean,

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I like it when he doesn't have a beard. In fact,

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and I believe it was instrorection, he also shaved his beard,

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so he went back to being oh.

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Did he I can't remember that? Yeah, I have to

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go check that out. But then you have to watch

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this contract.

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I can't remember which one a wig now.

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I don't remember. I do remember he shaved off. I

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don't remember when that was, Yeah, I don't remember.

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Well.

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According to our listeners who responded to this poll, twenty

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six percent of the people who responded to the pole

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like the zero riker, the no beard riker, so solid

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quarter of the people. Thirty eight percent, which is the

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biggest number, falls on the one riker, which I think,

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you know, makes a lot of sense. That's the riker

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that we get the most in the series. Twenty seven

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percent of our responders like the two riker beard, which

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of course is from Star Trek Picard, you know, and

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a beard that has aged like a fine wine, we

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might say. And then of course nine percent of our

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responders did like the full on Jerry Garcia beard.

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We've got to get those nine callers on the air, man,

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I want to hear what's going on with that. They're lit,

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they're lit.

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I didn't get a chance to throw my opinion, But

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ge I wonder which one I'm going with? Yeah, I'm

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going to two.

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Yeah, classic classic, distinguished, Yeah, you know, a more distinguished.

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Do we have any controls that can help elevate Jim's volume.

470
00:27:42.039 --> 00:27:43.759
Do we have anything that we can use on him,

471
00:27:44.279 --> 00:27:46.160
because he's I could hear him, but it's just so.

472
00:27:46.160 --> 00:27:49.359
Small volume on his computer.

473
00:27:49.680 --> 00:27:53.079
Yeah, I've got it turned up to maximum.

474
00:27:54.599 --> 00:27:55.559
You're a little bit louder.

475
00:27:55.640 --> 00:27:56.440
It's a little better.

476
00:27:57.079 --> 00:27:59.200
Where is your mic? Is it in the computer or

477
00:27:59.279 --> 00:28:01.240
is it handheld? Where is it located?

478
00:28:01.319 --> 00:28:02.599
Right here?

479
00:28:02.680 --> 00:28:04.559
Put it by your throat? Put it like right here,

480
00:28:04.920 --> 00:28:07.039
right here? That's right. Yeah, so we can hear you

481
00:28:07.079 --> 00:28:07.559
any better?

482
00:28:08.519 --> 00:28:09.000
That's better.

483
00:28:09.440 --> 00:28:11.079
Right by your vocal cords, like at the bottom of

484
00:28:11.160 --> 00:28:12.480
your T shirt. That's the spot.

485
00:28:12.640 --> 00:28:16.759
Okay, cool, I kind of like the two Rikers.

486
00:28:17.839 --> 00:28:18.319
Makes sense?

487
00:28:19.119 --> 00:28:22.599
Yeah, a refined Riker cool? All right, Well that does

488
00:28:22.599 --> 00:28:23.519
it for our polls this week.

489
00:28:23.599 --> 00:28:27.759
Guys. Okay, we dug deep, didn't we?

490
00:28:27.759 --> 00:28:28.119
We did?

491
00:28:29.759 --> 00:28:33.480
Yeah? The Rikers, you know. Yeah, but David's right though,

492
00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:41.160
he did shave his beard off and insurrection. Yeah, when Jordy,

493
00:28:41.200 --> 00:28:43.960
when Jordi got his site back, Riker's beard fell off.

494
00:28:45.000 --> 00:28:48.799
Yeah that's right. You're manually driving the ship.

495
00:28:49.519 --> 00:28:50.680
Yeah, go figure that out.

496
00:28:50.759 --> 00:28:54.400
Because he looked with the joystick, right, that was pretty awesome.

497
00:28:54.400 --> 00:28:56.319
He didn't have a beard in season one, so his

498
00:28:56.359 --> 00:28:58.480
beard fell out. I don't I don't know, I don't

499
00:28:58.480 --> 00:29:03.880
get it. I'd have to go back and rewatch an Nemesis,

500
00:29:03.920 --> 00:29:05.720
which I don't know if I'm going to or not.

501
00:29:06.680 --> 00:29:07.160
Insurrection.

502
00:29:07.319 --> 00:29:11.720
Yeah, yeah, so at any rate, So that wraps up

503
00:29:11.720 --> 00:29:15.640
our polls, guys. Yeah, a lot quicker than I thought.

504
00:29:15.640 --> 00:29:17.680
I thought we were gonna have more discussion.

505
00:29:18.640 --> 00:29:19.559
But we did.

506
00:29:19.599 --> 00:29:20.559
You were gone for most of it.

507
00:29:20.720 --> 00:29:23.119
Yeah, okay, we were busy.

508
00:29:23.240 --> 00:29:25.559
We were busy talking about the Edo's costumes.

509
00:29:26.079 --> 00:29:28.720
They were they were quite unique, weren't they.

510
00:29:29.319 --> 00:29:29.839
Yeah.

511
00:29:29.960 --> 00:29:32.039
I mean it's just like if it's a word you

512
00:29:32.039 --> 00:29:34.519
can use if like if you.

513
00:29:34.480 --> 00:29:39.200
Know, uh, who's the guy who ran Penthouse magazine? Uh?

514
00:29:39.680 --> 00:29:40.480
Can I even remember?

515
00:29:40.799 --> 00:29:41.440
I don't know.

516
00:29:41.880 --> 00:29:46.519
Yeah, if that guy, Bob GUCCIONI if if Bob GUCCIONI

517
00:29:46.559 --> 00:29:49.079
had ended up breaking the guy who produced Star Trek,

518
00:29:49.160 --> 00:29:51.160
that's what it would have looked like, right. It was

519
00:29:51.200 --> 00:29:52.440
just like crazy.

520
00:29:52.480 --> 00:29:54.960
And I think the tops are you know, the tops

521
00:29:55.039 --> 00:29:57.519
might work because they're kind of nicely ventilated, you know,

522
00:29:57.720 --> 00:30:02.160
but the the bottom ones, particularly for the guys, I

523
00:30:02.200 --> 00:30:03.440
can't imagine that's comfortable.

524
00:30:04.279 --> 00:30:05.880
New it's powerful uniform.

525
00:30:06.519 --> 00:30:09.440
How could a society just run around. It kind of

526
00:30:09.480 --> 00:30:11.160
reminded me a little bit of Logan's run.

527
00:30:12.440 --> 00:30:12.680
You know.

528
00:30:12.799 --> 00:30:14.960
They just run around doing anything they want, as long

529
00:30:14.960 --> 00:30:18.759
as they don't fall in the flowers. Yeah, yeah, stay

530
00:30:18.759 --> 00:30:25.000
away from the flowers. So all right, well I guess

531
00:30:25.359 --> 00:30:27.480
I guess then we're ready for some and ors. So

532
00:30:28.480 --> 00:30:34.759
all right, take it away, David, roll the tape. Maybe

533
00:30:35.240 --> 00:30:35.640
there we go.

534
00:30:42.279 --> 00:30:42.960
We're no war.

535
00:30:43.640 --> 00:30:44.279
You want to fight?

536
00:30:46.440 --> 00:30:47.200
Who do you want to win?

537
00:30:56.319 --> 00:30:57.480
The remains.

538
00:30:59.319 --> 00:31:00.599
The world turn around?

539
00:31:02.960 --> 00:31:04.359
Hollows have come.

540
00:31:04.240 --> 00:31:04.880
To bean.

541
00:31:06.839 --> 00:31:09.680
Really stars, Now.

542
00:31:13.319 --> 00:31:59.359
What a swell part of this? Remember this moment. You're here,

543
00:31:59.480 --> 00:32:10.359
You're right here, and you're ready to fight. All right, guys,

544
00:32:10.400 --> 00:32:12.799
there it is. That was the trailer for Indoor season two,

545
00:32:12.839 --> 00:32:16.839
and I think it's safe to say that ninety percent

546
00:32:16.960 --> 00:32:19.400
of the footage that we just saw was from the

547
00:32:19.480 --> 00:32:24.160
first three episodes. I would say pretty much most of

548
00:32:24.240 --> 00:32:26.160
that footage was all from the first three episodes that

549
00:32:26.200 --> 00:32:30.440
we're gonna talk about tonight. And uh, without any further ado,

550
00:32:30.599 --> 00:32:32.640
Charles hasn't had a chance to watch season one, so

551
00:32:32.720 --> 00:32:35.960
he's just gonna sit in and join us. I will

552
00:32:36.039 --> 00:32:39.519
let Paul jump in and start, and uh, I'm going

553
00:32:39.799 --> 00:32:42.559
I'm I'm going to I'm gonna go and try I'm

554
00:32:42.599 --> 00:32:45.400
gonna go and try to find Jamie and see if

555
00:32:45.440 --> 00:32:46.720
I can get her to come on with us. So

556
00:32:46.720 --> 00:32:48.960
I'm gonna I'm gonna jump off here for a second

557
00:32:49.000 --> 00:32:52.279
while Paul starts up, and I'm gonna go get Jamie.

558
00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:55.000
I want some brief recaps of episodes. Is that what

559
00:32:55.039 --> 00:32:55.480
you're looking for?

560
00:32:55.759 --> 00:32:58.640
Yeah, you, guys, We're gonna cover all three episodes at once,

561
00:32:58.759 --> 00:32:59.880
because that's how they were really.

562
00:33:00.000 --> 00:33:02.599
Okay, cool, So I'll just do sort of a fast

563
00:33:02.680 --> 00:33:05.559
and loose, you know, consolidation of storyline.

564
00:33:05.559 --> 00:33:08.119
I think that's quicker than us doing episode one, episode two,

565
00:33:08.200 --> 00:33:08.759
episode three.

566
00:33:08.960 --> 00:33:10.559
Okay, so let me do that. Yeah.

567
00:33:10.680 --> 00:33:12.720
So, so Paul's going to take it away for the benefit,

568
00:33:12.759 --> 00:33:13.960
and I'm going to go try to get Jamie.

569
00:33:14.000 --> 00:33:17.359
So I'll be right back, guys, All right, all right,

570
00:33:17.400 --> 00:33:19.559
So I'm just gonna kind of do quick recaps guys,

571
00:33:19.559 --> 00:33:21.160
if that sounds good, and to just jump in as

572
00:33:21.200 --> 00:33:22.759
you care to, and then we can start going over

573
00:33:22.920 --> 00:33:24.839
in detail. So a lot of folks may not have

574
00:33:24.920 --> 00:33:26.480
watched the show yet for all I know, right, I

575
00:33:26.559 --> 00:33:28.559
know Charles hasn't yet, and I want to make sure

576
00:33:28.559 --> 00:33:29.880
that we do this in a way that like doesn't

577
00:33:29.920 --> 00:33:32.880
alienate people who have not seen it yet. This is

578
00:33:32.920 --> 00:33:37.680
the second season, right, and or had an incredibly strong

579
00:33:38.119 --> 00:33:42.559
critical reaction because it was so unlike conventional Star Wars, right.

580
00:33:42.680 --> 00:33:44.240
I mean, it was really like, you know, kind of

581
00:33:45.240 --> 00:33:47.640
the tagline sort of became like Star Wars for adults.

582
00:33:47.799 --> 00:33:47.920
Right.

583
00:33:48.079 --> 00:33:50.799
It did a little bit more dramatic content than you'd

584
00:33:50.839 --> 00:33:54.039
usually seen Star Wars. Very little of the Jedi nights,

585
00:33:54.720 --> 00:33:57.000
very little of the Force, very little of that type

586
00:33:57.000 --> 00:34:04.720
of stuff. It's more like a slow burn seventies conspiracy thriller, right, So,

587
00:34:05.200 --> 00:34:09.360
but spread out to like you know, TV series season

588
00:34:09.480 --> 00:34:14.760
length movies like the Conversation from Francis Coppola Three Days

589
00:34:14.760 --> 00:34:16.880
of the Condor Marathon Man, It's a lot more like

590
00:34:17.000 --> 00:34:19.920
that kind of thing, right. And it's a spy picture, right,

591
00:34:20.039 --> 00:34:23.199
It is a spy story. So the second season that

592
00:34:23.199 --> 00:34:26.159
we're focusing on here right now, it starts one year

593
00:34:26.320 --> 00:34:28.960
after the events of the first season, so a lot

594
00:34:29.000 --> 00:34:30.760
of stuff has happened, right, So, well.

595
00:34:30.679 --> 00:34:34.639
And Paul and remind folks, when this entire television show

596
00:34:34.719 --> 00:34:36.840
is set in the Star Wars universe, right.

597
00:34:36.960 --> 00:34:40.800
Folks, who aren't familiar. You hear the abbreviation bby a lot, right,

598
00:34:40.920 --> 00:34:44.400
and what that stands for is before the Battle of Yavin. Okay.

599
00:34:44.440 --> 00:34:47.239
The Battle of Yavin is the end of Star Wars, right,

600
00:34:47.280 --> 00:34:49.840
That is, when Luke shoots his proton torpedo and blows

601
00:34:49.920 --> 00:34:52.159
up the Death Star. That's the Battle of the Havevin.

602
00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:55.800
So this is all leading up to the events before that.

603
00:34:56.519 --> 00:35:00.280
You kind of want to have seen the movie Rogue One, okay,

604
00:35:00.320 --> 00:35:03.639
which was basically the prequel to all that that leads up.

605
00:35:03.719 --> 00:35:07.320
You know, we always hear about the start of the

606
00:35:07.400 --> 00:35:10.239
original Star Wars where Princess Leah gets the plans to

607
00:35:10.360 --> 00:35:12.920
the Death Star, the stolen plans to the Death Star.

608
00:35:13.360 --> 00:35:16.440
Rogue one is the prequel to Star Wars. That shows

609
00:35:16.599 --> 00:35:19.800
us how they got those stolen plans, okay, And so

610
00:35:19.920 --> 00:35:22.960
that's all about this. The and Or series is a

611
00:35:23.039 --> 00:35:28.840
prequel to Rogue One. It shows the nascent formation days

612
00:35:29.400 --> 00:35:33.159
of the Rebellion before it became the Rebel Alliance. Right,

613
00:35:33.199 --> 00:35:36.440
There's still a lot of chaotic stuff happening. Their organizational

614
00:35:37.400 --> 00:35:40.000
cohesion is not that strong. So that's been a background.

615
00:35:40.000 --> 00:35:42.079
Would we agree in terms of the setup there?

616
00:35:42.320 --> 00:35:42.440
Ye?

617
00:35:43.039 --> 00:35:45.159
And the first, you know, it says right out of

618
00:35:45.159 --> 00:35:47.840
the gate this first episode, it's been a year, right

619
00:35:47.920 --> 00:35:49.920
since the events of the first season, and it begins

620
00:35:50.000 --> 00:35:53.559
with the dynamite action sequence, right, you know, the whole

621
00:35:54.000 --> 00:35:58.760
tie avenger heist, right, the prototype, experimental advanced prototype that

622
00:35:58.880 --> 00:36:01.480
the Empire's got, and we see Cassie and they just

623
00:36:01.880 --> 00:36:03.920
jump right in there. We don't need to understand why

624
00:36:04.000 --> 00:36:06.840
it's important. We don't need to understand what led up

625
00:36:06.880 --> 00:36:09.400
to this, you know, if it prevents them from making more,

626
00:36:10.400 --> 00:36:12.519
we don't know. All we know is is an action sequence.

627
00:36:12.840 --> 00:36:15.440
Cassian is there disguised as a test pilot and his

628
00:36:15.719 --> 00:36:21.079
goal is to steal it, right. And what's interesting is

629
00:36:21.320 --> 00:36:23.840
there's one of his cohorts there, this woman Nia right,

630
00:36:23.960 --> 00:36:26.280
and she's afraid to even look at him, but he

631
00:36:26.519 --> 00:36:30.239
is encouraging her to see him, right, and that it's okay,

632
00:36:30.400 --> 00:36:32.920
don't you know, invest yourself right, Because I think a

633
00:36:33.000 --> 00:36:35.360
theme that we see through these initial three episodes is

634
00:36:36.119 --> 00:36:39.760
that the first step towards building loyalty and cohesion for

635
00:36:39.920 --> 00:36:44.320
the rebel alliance is trust. You see that theme rising

636
00:36:44.400 --> 00:36:46.159
up quite a bit in the course of these first

637
00:36:46.199 --> 00:36:48.800
three episodes, right, So we're kind of with this initial episode,

638
00:36:48.840 --> 00:36:53.079
we're getting back into Cassian's head, and then we jump

639
00:36:53.119 --> 00:36:55.639
around to a lot of different planets as these plots

640
00:36:55.760 --> 00:36:58.840
start moving, right, I'm going to try to consolidate storylines

641
00:36:58.840 --> 00:37:01.800
as much as possibly here. But you see with these

642
00:37:01.840 --> 00:37:05.039
stories is there's a pattern in this show of tension

643
00:37:05.119 --> 00:37:08.239
building and building and building, and then it just explodes. Right,

644
00:37:08.360 --> 00:37:12.719
And we're getting like four three episode arcs here, and

645
00:37:12.800 --> 00:37:15.440
we're tonight talking about the first arc one, two and three.

646
00:37:16.320 --> 00:37:18.559
So we spend a lot of time on a planet

647
00:37:18.599 --> 00:37:22.039
called Chandrilla, right, which is the estate of extremely wealthy

648
00:37:22.119 --> 00:37:25.000
Senator Mon Mathma, who we've seen in the original Return

649
00:37:25.039 --> 00:37:27.360
of the Jedi right many Bothman's died, you know it's

650
00:37:27.440 --> 00:37:31.519
man Mathma, right. And the sets are amazing here on

651
00:37:32.840 --> 00:37:35.800
the Chandrilla estate. I mean very little of the digital

652
00:37:35.920 --> 00:37:38.960
volume here. They are built sets and they're walking around

653
00:37:39.079 --> 00:37:42.920
on tangible environments, which is incredible. And we're setting the

654
00:37:43.000 --> 00:37:46.079
tone for this big wedding that's happening, right because the

655
00:37:46.920 --> 00:37:50.400
Alliance needs funding and so she's kind of had to

656
00:37:50.599 --> 00:37:54.599
arrange a marriage of convenience for her daughter, right to

657
00:37:54.679 --> 00:37:57.760
make sure that the funding stream comes through. There and

658
00:37:58.320 --> 00:38:02.960
I love Mon Mathma. She's a phenomenal actress, right, really

659
00:38:03.039 --> 00:38:06.039
does a great job. It is really her reaction when

660
00:38:06.079 --> 00:38:09.880
she sees the luth and Rails arrive. He's like the mastermind,

661
00:38:09.960 --> 00:38:12.800
trigger man, like the most dangerous guy essentially in the

662
00:38:13.760 --> 00:38:15.960
alliance when he shows up and he's in his kind

663
00:38:15.960 --> 00:38:20.400
of you know, I'm a wacky antique stealer disguise, right,

664
00:38:20.519 --> 00:38:24.679
and he's assessing everything the entire time. And when they're

665
00:38:24.800 --> 00:38:27.440
talking Mon Mathlen Luthen, it's almost like in a kind

666
00:38:27.480 --> 00:38:29.719
of code, right, they have to say what their intentions

667
00:38:29.800 --> 00:38:33.960
are without being publicly understood. So it is fascinating. There

668
00:38:35.119 --> 00:38:38.800
we see there's a character we briefly saw in the

669
00:38:38.880 --> 00:38:41.559
first season who was in an old friend of Mon's

670
00:38:41.880 --> 00:38:45.079
take Kolma, right, and he was initially, oh, yeah, I'll

671
00:38:45.119 --> 00:38:47.119
back the Rebel Alliance, but now he's got all these

672
00:38:47.159 --> 00:38:49.159
money troubles which don't seem to be leaning into a

673
00:38:49.199 --> 00:38:52.719
good direction. Right. Meanwhile, on the farm planet of Mina,

674
00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:56.599
Raw and Or's friend Bix is having all these nightmares

675
00:38:56.679 --> 00:38:59.159
from the previous season where she was tortured by an

676
00:38:59.199 --> 00:39:03.400
imperial doc for Gorshed Right. Basically the doctor Mengela of

677
00:39:03.519 --> 00:39:07.280
the of the Empire, and she's having a lot of PTSD, right,

678
00:39:07.480 --> 00:39:10.519
And so they're in this kind of refugee storyline on

679
00:39:10.599 --> 00:39:14.000
this farm planet with Wilmann and Brasso, who we all

680
00:39:14.159 --> 00:39:17.360
know from the first season, right, And it is very

681
00:39:17.519 --> 00:39:22.599
timely storytelling because you know, they are undocumented workers. They

682
00:39:22.639 --> 00:39:24.639
don't have a visa and they're hiding out from the

683
00:39:24.719 --> 00:39:28.840
Empire trying to work as you know, supporting the agriculture

684
00:39:28.880 --> 00:39:32.079
of a planet sound familiar a little bit, and you know,

685
00:39:32.280 --> 00:39:36.239
really keeping out of the crosshairs of the of the

686
00:39:36.320 --> 00:39:38.960
Empire this whole time, right. And then the Empire shows

687
00:39:39.039 --> 00:39:41.639
up to do what they call a you know, an

688
00:39:41.679 --> 00:39:45.679
Imperial supply census, you know, an audit, right, and they're

689
00:39:45.880 --> 00:39:48.280
you know, they're happy to find whatever else they may

690
00:39:48.320 --> 00:39:50.960
come across in the course of their audit, right, And

691
00:39:51.679 --> 00:39:55.800
it's they clearly point out that the undocumented workers in

692
00:39:56.039 --> 00:40:01.559
the Empire are what we u that they depend on, right.

693
00:40:01.920 --> 00:40:05.920
So that's all being set up there, and then we

694
00:40:06.039 --> 00:40:08.000
go over to the storyline I just love the most

695
00:40:08.119 --> 00:40:10.559
is when we're with the empire folks, right, and we're

696
00:40:10.599 --> 00:40:14.000
with the villains at the Malfied divide and Krenick Okay,

697
00:40:14.119 --> 00:40:18.480
director Krenick, the great Ben Mendelshahan, right, who was a

698
00:40:18.679 --> 00:40:22.239
pivotal character in Rogue one. Here we see his early development.

699
00:40:22.360 --> 00:40:22.480
Right.

700
00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:24.880
It's kind of want to be moth target if you're

701
00:40:24.920 --> 00:40:27.440
not true. Krenick is right, And he's explaining all about

702
00:40:27.559 --> 00:40:30.800
this planet that they have their eyes on called Gorman, Right.

703
00:40:30.920 --> 00:40:34.719
Nave is a wacky tourism video. Right, It's this remote planet.

704
00:40:35.159 --> 00:40:39.800
They're famous for their great skill weaving cloth. It's kind

705
00:40:39.840 --> 00:40:43.719
of a sophisticated planet where it's like the Milan or

706
00:40:43.840 --> 00:40:47.199
Paris runway of the Empire. Right, And they do a

707
00:40:47.280 --> 00:40:50.679
lot of resources. They do a lot of fine clothes

708
00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:56.800
and things like that. And he mentions the Empire's energy project, right,

709
00:40:56.920 --> 00:40:59.679
which is essentially you know the Death Star if you

710
00:40:59.800 --> 00:41:02.039
have read between the lines there when he's talking about

711
00:41:02.159 --> 00:41:06.599
all these good things. Oh there Empire's energy unlimited power project. Right.

712
00:41:06.719 --> 00:41:09.599
And what's great is they're doing all this scheming and

713
00:41:09.719 --> 00:41:13.599
planning and including the propaganda office, which you've never seen before.

714
00:41:13.719 --> 00:41:13.840
Right.

715
00:41:13.920 --> 00:41:16.440
They get into the more adult aspects of the Star

716
00:41:16.519 --> 00:41:19.760
Wars world and they peel back the onions more and

717
00:41:19.960 --> 00:41:22.840
they even call the Propaganda Office the Ministry of Enlightenment,

718
00:41:23.199 --> 00:41:27.760
which is just frightening but really great, and they're you know,

719
00:41:27.960 --> 00:41:31.079
really working on the idea of you know, creating an

720
00:41:31.199 --> 00:41:35.039
enemy out of thin air. Right, and Dedra Miro is

721
00:41:35.320 --> 00:41:37.880
I think easily my favorite character on this whole show.

722
00:41:37.960 --> 00:41:40.840
She is just absolutely phenomenal. She is just sort of

723
00:41:40.920 --> 00:41:44.599
the ice queen, if you will, of the Empire and

724
00:41:44.840 --> 00:41:49.239
the ISB the Imperial Security Bureau. There she is trying

725
00:41:49.320 --> 00:41:51.760
on some clothing, right, but she is just it's a

726
00:41:51.840 --> 00:41:55.000
phenomenal performance. I mean, absolutely one of the best performances

727
00:41:55.079 --> 00:41:58.039
in all Star Wars. She is just chilling and fascinating

728
00:41:58.079 --> 00:42:00.840
the watch. She's just great and of great stuff there.

729
00:42:00.920 --> 00:42:03.719
So she suggests that the way to do is infiltrate

730
00:42:03.840 --> 00:42:07.000
the Gorman resistance and make them a scapegoat to help

731
00:42:07.039 --> 00:42:10.280
further justify what the Empire's up to. Right, And then

732
00:42:11.719 --> 00:42:14.840
all that these initial setups are happening, and then Cassian

733
00:42:14.920 --> 00:42:18.440
lands that stolen tie fighter on this jungle world that

734
00:42:18.599 --> 00:42:21.039
is initially we don't know about, and he runs into

735
00:42:21.079 --> 00:42:25.559
this really rudderless, incompetent band of rebels, right that they

736
00:42:25.719 --> 00:42:28.880
just cannot get together. They have no trust yet, and

737
00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:33.119
so they're completely split apart and fractured, and they've resorted

738
00:42:33.199 --> 00:42:36.599
to tribalism essentially into splitting into two groups. And they're

739
00:42:36.760 --> 00:42:40.239
very miss untrustworthy of Cassian. They don't believe he's a

740
00:42:40.280 --> 00:42:42.840
rebel because he's stressed up as a Tie Fighter pilot.

741
00:42:42.960 --> 00:42:47.079
So they've killed one person already who they didn't know

742
00:42:47.159 --> 00:42:50.280
who they were, who was supposed to be Cassian's contact, right,

743
00:42:50.400 --> 00:42:53.719
but that person's now dead at their incompetent hands, and

744
00:42:54.039 --> 00:42:56.400
Cassian's in a very sticky position with this stolen TI

745
00:42:56.480 --> 00:42:58.599
Fighter as a result. So that's the end of one

746
00:42:58.679 --> 00:43:01.440
year later, the very first episode. Do we want to

747
00:43:01.480 --> 00:43:03.039
talk about that at all, guys, or do you want

748
00:43:03.039 --> 00:43:05.119
me to do recaps for the other two as well?

749
00:43:07.519 --> 00:43:09.039
I thought we were going to go through the entire

750
00:43:09.159 --> 00:43:09.719
three episode.

751
00:43:10.119 --> 00:43:11.719
I can do that. Yeah, I can do that, Okay,

752
00:43:12.320 --> 00:43:14.199
So I just want to make sure that I'm not

753
00:43:14.280 --> 00:43:17.960
talking too much because that's a historical problem for some

754
00:43:18.119 --> 00:43:23.880
of us. So let's go to the second episode, Sagrona Tima, okay,

755
00:43:23.920 --> 00:43:27.119
And a lot of learning about mon Mathma's culture on

756
00:43:27.199 --> 00:43:29.559
this planet of Chindrilla. We've heard a lot about it

757
00:43:29.639 --> 00:43:31.480
in comics and stuff, but we'ven't really seen it in

758
00:43:31.599 --> 00:43:33.960
a movie that much before, so it's kind of interesting.

759
00:43:34.079 --> 00:43:38.800
So Dedra Miro, Imperial Matahari, is tasked with taking on

760
00:43:38.920 --> 00:43:43.400
this whole Gorman project. At director krenics the hast and

761
00:43:43.519 --> 00:43:47.360
he says, basically, pretend it's a demotion, right, but it's

762
00:43:47.400 --> 00:43:49.159
really a chance for her to prove her merit.

763
00:43:49.280 --> 00:43:49.400
Right.

764
00:43:49.440 --> 00:43:52.679
So there's a lot of things going on in the

765
00:43:52.719 --> 00:43:55.800
Empire that aren't really what's going on, a lot of pretending,

766
00:43:55.960 --> 00:44:01.440
a lot of falsehoods being depicted. Right. Meanwhile, Cyril Karn,

767
00:44:01.719 --> 00:44:05.039
who was a lower level Imperial operative that we saw

768
00:44:05.079 --> 00:44:07.639
in the first season, he's moved up at the Bureau

769
00:44:07.719 --> 00:44:11.559
of Standards, right, and he's still this official, self important weed.

770
00:44:12.920 --> 00:44:15.119
But what's interesting is he sort of jumped in and

771
00:44:15.239 --> 00:44:18.039
saved Dedra at the end of season one, and now

772
00:44:18.079 --> 00:44:21.039
they're together because the year has passed, right, and they

773
00:44:21.079 --> 00:44:25.679
have a very weird relationship, it seems, but they're together

774
00:44:25.719 --> 00:44:29.039
and they're living in an apartment together on Coussant, right.

775
00:44:29.519 --> 00:44:32.559
So meanwhile, back at Monmathma's house on Chondrilla, things are

776
00:44:32.599 --> 00:44:36.320
getting very very tense. Her husband Paren makes this speech

777
00:44:36.360 --> 00:44:38.559
about oh, we all need to have fun, and he's

778
00:44:38.639 --> 00:44:40.480
making a speech at his daughter's you know, the night

779
00:44:40.519 --> 00:44:43.079
before the wedding, right, But what he's really talking about

780
00:44:43.119 --> 00:44:45.639
is self indulgence and not getting involved and like how

781
00:44:45.840 --> 00:44:49.440
billionaire class can basically just fritter away and carry on

782
00:44:49.679 --> 00:44:52.519
but doesn't really take any stakes and things or you know,

783
00:44:53.000 --> 00:44:56.039
exhibit a conscience, even as the Empire is you know,

784
00:44:56.239 --> 00:45:01.559
growing and flexing their muscles more then our take hole.

785
00:45:01.639 --> 00:45:04.920
My guy is really in trouble with mon Mothman. Now, okay,

786
00:45:05.079 --> 00:45:10.639
he's been hurt financially. Is funding of the early days

787
00:45:10.679 --> 00:45:14.039
the rebellion has become more of an inconvenience, and unfortunately

788
00:45:14.199 --> 00:45:18.039
he is drinking a lot and being very loose lips.

789
00:45:18.199 --> 00:45:20.280
And as soon as you see Luthen looking at him,

790
00:45:20.440 --> 00:45:23.239
you can kind of see where this is going. It's like,

791
00:45:23.400 --> 00:45:26.400
you know, you are a liability man, and if Luthen

792
00:45:26.519 --> 00:45:30.679
Rail thinks you're a liability, your time on this earth

793
00:45:30.920 --> 00:45:36.639
is not long. Meanwhile, back on Mina Raw, the Empire's

794
00:45:36.719 --> 00:45:40.400
audit is closing on Bix And this is a weird

795
00:45:40.480 --> 00:45:43.119
place of Star Wars. We've never gone before, really, not

796
00:45:43.360 --> 00:45:47.599
this overtly because you have this horrible imperial lieutenant who's

797
00:45:47.639 --> 00:45:50.280
leading this audit on the farm and he had basically

798
00:45:50.400 --> 00:45:54.320
has sexually predacious designs on Bix, right, I mean you

799
00:45:54.400 --> 00:45:57.320
can see it from a mile away. He's a predator, right,

800
00:45:57.440 --> 00:46:00.440
and it does not look good. And over on that

801
00:46:00.559 --> 00:46:03.679
jungle world with Cassie and they're all just completely divided

802
00:46:03.679 --> 00:46:05.840
and they're finding some chewed up human remains that don't

803
00:46:05.840 --> 00:46:09.440
look good. But the rebellion feels very leaderless here. We

804
00:46:09.679 --> 00:46:13.039
need a man Mathma at this point, right, she is

805
00:46:13.119 --> 00:46:15.440
yet to step into the mantle of that role. And

806
00:46:15.559 --> 00:46:18.199
the rebellion just feels like they do not have a

807
00:46:18.360 --> 00:46:22.039
magnetic North to help them, right. They actually resort the

808
00:46:22.119 --> 00:46:25.000
two disparate factions of rebels on the jungle. They resort

809
00:46:25.000 --> 00:46:27.480
they trying to settle their problems with like the rock

810
00:46:27.559 --> 00:46:29.960
paper scissors thing. They try to row Shambeau their way

811
00:46:29.960 --> 00:46:32.039
out of it. It's ridiculous, right, this is how out

812
00:46:32.360 --> 00:46:34.719
you know, it's very kind of allegorical what they're saying here.

813
00:46:34.880 --> 00:46:37.920
And there are literal monsters in the jungle out there

814
00:46:37.960 --> 00:46:40.360
while they're just busy dicking around, right, they're going to

815
00:46:40.480 --> 00:46:44.239
eat them up. So during all this chaos and this

816
00:46:44.400 --> 00:46:47.599
monster attack. Cassian steals the tie Fighter and flies away,

817
00:46:47.679 --> 00:46:50.119
and during the reveal when we pull back, we see

818
00:46:50.199 --> 00:46:52.880
that this is Yavin for right, this is where the

819
00:46:52.920 --> 00:46:54.679
rebel base was at the end of Star Wars. So

820
00:46:54.760 --> 00:46:57.159
it's a really cool reveal because we see the temple

821
00:46:57.239 --> 00:47:00.360
and the jungle there, and it's like they don't know it,

822
00:47:00.559 --> 00:47:03.800
but they're actually at the if they'd got their shit together,

823
00:47:03.920 --> 00:47:05.599
they were at the very place that would end up

824
00:47:05.599 --> 00:47:08.880
becoming like the key Bass that is all of that

825
00:47:08.960 --> 00:47:11.400
climactic action at the end of the regular Star Wars.

826
00:47:11.480 --> 00:47:14.719
So it's a really cool reveal. That's the second episode.

827
00:47:14.880 --> 00:47:17.280
Real quick, let's get into the third episode where things

828
00:47:17.360 --> 00:47:20.760
really explode, because that's what happens. Things build and build

829
00:47:20.840 --> 00:47:23.239
and build. That's a great shot there. If you're looking

830
00:47:23.320 --> 00:47:28.920
at this, that's Davos Skulden right there, and that on

831
00:47:29.039 --> 00:47:34.880
the left that is Clia, who works really closely with Luthen.

832
00:47:34.920 --> 00:47:37.639
That's Luthen in his disguise as the antiques dealer. There.

833
00:47:37.639 --> 00:47:40.280
They're doing all kinds of crazy and various stuff. Okay,

834
00:47:40.679 --> 00:47:42.920
so we're back on Coruscant and this scene is one

835
00:47:42.920 --> 00:47:44.519
of the best scenes of the season so far. I

836
00:47:44.559 --> 00:47:47.199
love the scene so much. We're with Dedra and Cyril

837
00:47:47.320 --> 00:47:52.519
in their apartment and Dedra's crazy, controlling, weird mother. Edie

838
00:47:52.679 --> 00:47:54.559
comes back. She's always a lot of fun to watch,

839
00:47:54.800 --> 00:47:58.400
and you know, they're having her over for dinner to

840
00:47:58.760 --> 00:48:02.039
you know, meet her, and it is hilarious watching Dedra

841
00:48:02.119 --> 00:48:04.159
Miro try to fake a smile in the mirror while

842
00:48:04.199 --> 00:48:09.599
she's getting ready to meet her here and basically after

843
00:48:09.639 --> 00:48:12.519
about five minutes, Dedre just basically sucks away all of

844
00:48:12.880 --> 00:48:17.119
Edie's power over Cyril, and Cyril just collapses on It

845
00:48:17.280 --> 00:48:21.360
is a hilarious moment. It's a great scene. It's definitely,

846
00:48:22.280 --> 00:48:26.639
you know, weirdly comedic. It's a very disturbed, weird, dysfunctional relationship.

847
00:48:26.760 --> 00:48:31.519
Right Meanwhile, back on Chandrilla, Man Mathma is giving her

848
00:48:31.599 --> 00:48:33.639
daughter a final plead don't go through with this wedding,

849
00:48:33.639 --> 00:48:35.760
which seems weird just because they kind of really are

850
00:48:35.800 --> 00:48:40.639
dependent on the financing that this arranged marriage caused, right,

851
00:48:40.719 --> 00:48:43.199
so she's almost undermining her own position by doing that.

852
00:48:43.360 --> 00:48:45.519
But it's just a sense that she's realizing she's going

853
00:48:45.599 --> 00:48:48.280
to have to give up a lot to commit to

854
00:48:48.320 --> 00:48:50.239
where she needs to go, and I think she's still

855
00:48:50.280 --> 00:48:52.440
reckoning with that as we see in this episode, right,

856
00:48:53.599 --> 00:48:56.400
Davo s. Goulden gives the young married couple the gift

857
00:48:56.440 --> 00:49:01.199
of this priceless statue, and there's this great scene where

858
00:49:01.239 --> 00:49:04.159
we see Ta Kolma getting really drunk again, and there's

859
00:49:04.199 --> 00:49:07.960
this wonderful scene where man Mathma and Luthan are talking

860
00:49:07.960 --> 00:49:11.079
about what to do and they're basically talking about killing

861
00:49:11.159 --> 00:49:14.159
him without saying it. And again they just have to

862
00:49:15.599 --> 00:49:18.360
they just have to kind of use code as a

863
00:49:18.400 --> 00:49:20.719
way to communicate in these social situations. And I just

864
00:49:20.840 --> 00:49:24.679
love the way it ends with you know, her refusing

865
00:49:24.800 --> 00:49:27.719
to admit what she needs to get into right and

866
00:49:28.159 --> 00:49:31.199
what's necessary, and Luthen's just like, how nice for you.

867
00:49:31.880 --> 00:49:39.639
It's an incredible moment, really really amazing performance. And then

868
00:49:39.880 --> 00:49:43.199
this show uses music a lot, which is unusual, not

869
00:49:43.320 --> 00:49:45.920
like that weird contemporary music we heard in the trailer there.

870
00:49:45.960 --> 00:49:47.880
I mean that was just kind of a marketing thing

871
00:49:48.000 --> 00:49:51.400
that I thankfully they haven't repeated. But they use what

872
00:49:51.519 --> 00:49:54.480
would be contemporary music in this world right that the

873
00:49:54.519 --> 00:49:56.360
people would be listening to. And it's almost like a

874
00:49:57.599 --> 00:50:02.119
rave going on at the the wedding dance right, and man,

875
00:50:02.239 --> 00:50:05.639
Mathma basically just you know, she just starts drinking heavily,

876
00:50:06.920 --> 00:50:09.239
realizing she's not in control of all the things she

877
00:50:09.360 --> 00:50:11.519
needs to be and she hasn't really committed herself yet,

878
00:50:11.639 --> 00:50:16.320
and she's just basically dancing it out right because she

879
00:50:16.599 --> 00:50:19.119
knows that Tay is on his way to get killed

880
00:50:19.320 --> 00:50:22.199
from a character called Sinda, who we know from a

881
00:50:22.320 --> 00:50:25.119
previous seasons disguise is like a chauffeur to take him moment,

882
00:50:25.119 --> 00:50:28.960
and we're never going to see take home again. He's

883
00:50:29.000 --> 00:50:32.239
gone right, and it's just really great. We don't need

884
00:50:32.280 --> 00:50:35.119
to see it. We just know it, right, We just

885
00:50:35.239 --> 00:50:38.679
know it. And Cassie and finds out where everyone is

886
00:50:38.800 --> 00:50:41.760
over on Mina Round. He drops everything to go head

887
00:50:41.800 --> 00:50:44.039
over there with the Tie Fighter to save his friends,

888
00:50:44.639 --> 00:50:46.920
and then we get into this really horrible moment where

889
00:50:47.039 --> 00:50:50.760
this awful, skeazy lieutenant tries to extort sex out of

890
00:50:50.840 --> 00:50:53.280
Bix Colleen, which is the most severe thing I think

891
00:50:53.320 --> 00:50:56.559
we maybe have ever seen in Star Wars. But given

892
00:50:56.719 --> 00:51:00.239
that this whole show is about what fascism does, would

893
00:51:00.360 --> 00:51:04.119
argue it's wildly appropriate. So for people who freaked out

894
00:51:04.159 --> 00:51:07.280
and say a rape scene is not Star Wars. Well,

895
00:51:07.559 --> 00:51:09.920
you know, maybe you've been shearing for the wrong side

896
00:51:10.039 --> 00:51:12.880
and you're not really confronting what fascism and the empire

897
00:51:12.960 --> 00:51:18.119
is all about. So and it's really it doesn't actually happen,

898
00:51:18.360 --> 00:51:22.199
which is good, but it's pure empire and pure fascism.

899
00:51:22.239 --> 00:51:26.199
And the message we're getting from this really strenuously is,

900
00:51:26.519 --> 00:51:29.519
you know, the Empire is not here to enforce the law.

901
00:51:30.159 --> 00:51:32.960
They're here to use the law for their own benefit. Right,

902
00:51:33.480 --> 00:51:36.960
laws serve the Empire, not its citizens. That is what

903
00:51:37.199 --> 00:51:40.599
this is all about. Right And they and Bix gets

904
00:51:40.639 --> 00:51:43.679
a hammer and kills the guy rather dramatically, right, and

905
00:51:44.800 --> 00:51:47.760
Cassie and shows up in the tie Fighter and blows

906
00:51:47.840 --> 00:51:52.159
up a troop transport. Everything gets crazy. Everyone's trying to, like,

907
00:51:52.400 --> 00:51:57.239
you know, flee for their lives. But a key character

908
00:51:57.239 --> 00:51:59.320
who is part of their unit, a guy named Brasso,

909
00:51:59.360 --> 00:52:03.199
who was really fundamental in the in the end of

910
00:52:03.280 --> 00:52:06.480
season one, he doesn't make it and he's and you

911
00:52:06.639 --> 00:52:09.239
kind of get the feeling that Cassie and feels Brasso

912
00:52:09.360 --> 00:52:12.239
died for nothing. It's just it's not a triumphant moment

913
00:52:12.440 --> 00:52:16.719
other than Bix escaping that awful fate. Plus they leave

914
00:52:16.760 --> 00:52:20.159
behind poor Robot B two Emo there and they leave

915
00:52:21.800 --> 00:52:25.639
I mean around behind. So it's a pretty intense scene.

916
00:52:25.719 --> 00:52:27.599
I mean it is you've got to Basically, these first

917
00:52:27.639 --> 00:52:31.239
two episodes really set everything up right, and so much

918
00:52:31.280 --> 00:52:33.920
of the focus I think to really focus on with

919
00:52:34.079 --> 00:52:36.760
this these initial episodes is on what's going on with

920
00:52:36.880 --> 00:52:40.599
mad Mathma right as this the whole wedding is evolving

921
00:52:40.639 --> 00:52:43.760
of her child, where is her arc moving to as

922
00:52:43.840 --> 00:52:46.039
she steps into the mantle of being a leader. Remember

923
00:52:46.039 --> 00:52:49.239
at this point she's a senator, you know there in

924
00:52:49.679 --> 00:52:55.119
you know in yeah, coruson with where the emperor is.

925
00:52:55.199 --> 00:52:57.199
We still haven't seen the Emperor yet. I don't know

926
00:52:57.239 --> 00:53:01.360
if we will on I'm kind of dying to though.

927
00:53:01.360 --> 00:53:03.280
I think it would be amazing if we do get to.

928
00:53:03.519 --> 00:53:07.840
But I love the Imperials that they show. We really

929
00:53:07.880 --> 00:53:09.880
get to see those cats up close, and they're pretty

930
00:53:10.039 --> 00:53:15.159
nefarious and they're really great. In particular Ded Ramiro's boss,

931
00:53:15.320 --> 00:53:17.599
major part of gas right, this guy was on Game

932
00:53:17.639 --> 00:53:23.239
of Thrones all the time. Phenomenal evil, just brilliantly acted role.

933
00:53:23.360 --> 00:53:25.760
He's just great, And so it all builds up to

934
00:53:25.840 --> 00:53:30.559
this big you know, there's a Brasso, right there, it

935
00:53:30.679 --> 00:53:34.360
just builds up to this tremendous clash where you know,

936
00:53:37.039 --> 00:53:39.199
finally Cassion gets to come in and try to save

937
00:53:39.440 --> 00:53:42.119
people at the last minute, but there's the feeling of like,

938
00:53:42.239 --> 00:53:43.519
can you ever really save everyone?

939
00:53:43.719 --> 00:53:43.840
Right?

940
00:53:43.960 --> 00:53:46.360
And it seems like people keep having empty deaths and

941
00:53:46.480 --> 00:53:49.320
die for nothing. So and that's where we go. And

942
00:53:49.400 --> 00:53:52.360
then next it takes us into the second arc that

943
00:53:52.440 --> 00:53:54.599
we'll be talking about next week of episodes four, five,

944
00:53:54.639 --> 00:53:57.159
and six. So that's kind of the stage set. That's

945
00:53:57.239 --> 00:53:59.400
way enough of me talking to set things up, though.

946
00:53:59.519 --> 00:54:02.840
So Eric, have you watched all three of these episodes, sir?

947
00:54:03.400 --> 00:54:05.239
I have watched all three of these episodes. I watched

948
00:54:05.280 --> 00:54:08.360
them over the last couple of days, so they're pretty

949
00:54:08.400 --> 00:54:09.239
fresh in my head.

950
00:54:09.960 --> 00:54:13.559
I'd love to hear your thoughts, man, So.

951
00:54:14.000 --> 00:54:16.400
First and foremost, I love the fact that they've got

952
00:54:16.480 --> 00:54:19.119
this kind of ABC D story thing going on on

953
00:54:19.199 --> 00:54:22.480
the four different planets. You know, I think one of

954
00:54:22.559 --> 00:54:25.119
the cool things that we've always seen in Star Wars

955
00:54:25.239 --> 00:54:29.079
is that these planets provide great backdrops for whatever the

956
00:54:29.159 --> 00:54:31.760
drama is that we need. You know, you think about

957
00:54:31.800 --> 00:54:33.840
Star Wars and you think about places like Javin for

958
00:54:34.199 --> 00:54:37.440
or Dagaba or Hoth or you know, these these types

959
00:54:37.480 --> 00:54:42.440
of things. And so, you know, I've always loved as

960
00:54:42.480 --> 00:54:45.119
an architect. Anytime we get to see Corraussant, I get

961
00:54:45.159 --> 00:54:48.760
excited because I just think the architecture and the design

962
00:54:48.960 --> 00:54:53.599
that they put into representing the city at the center

963
00:54:53.679 --> 00:54:56.960
of the empire. I think it's just it's just really

964
00:54:57.039 --> 00:55:00.639
fulfilling for me. So so yeah, the four different planets,

965
00:55:00.679 --> 00:55:04.079
the four different stories. One thing that feels very different

966
00:55:04.159 --> 00:55:07.199
to me, I think in this season two so far

967
00:55:07.559 --> 00:55:11.440
is that it felt like season one really focused a

968
00:55:11.559 --> 00:55:15.880
lot more on the character of Cassian and Or, and

969
00:55:16.119 --> 00:55:19.679
here we're getting more variety, We're getting a lot more

970
00:55:19.800 --> 00:55:24.639
onn Mathma, We're getting a lot more kind of b stories,

971
00:55:24.800 --> 00:55:27.639
like the two kids who were in love on Mina

972
00:55:27.760 --> 00:55:30.960
Rao and how that adds flavor to the whole thing.

973
00:55:32.400 --> 00:55:33.280
And I like that.

974
00:55:33.519 --> 00:55:36.199
In fact, it almost has me wondering why they decided

975
00:55:36.239 --> 00:55:38.760
to call this show and Or, and why they didn't

976
00:55:38.800 --> 00:55:42.079
call it like Star Trek, Rebellion or you know some

977
00:55:42.599 --> 00:55:46.119
other name that was kind of had a broader umbrella

978
00:55:46.199 --> 00:55:49.679
than focusing on the last name of this one character.

979
00:55:51.199 --> 00:55:53.400
You know, I mean, like if when there was a

980
00:55:53.440 --> 00:55:55.280
show called Obi Wan Kenobi. You knew it was going

981
00:55:55.360 --> 00:55:57.320
to be about Obi Wan Kanobi, but it doesn't feel

982
00:55:57.320 --> 00:55:59.519
like the show's about Cassian and or it feels like

983
00:55:59.639 --> 00:56:01.840
it's about the rebellion being built.

984
00:56:01.920 --> 00:56:05.960
So you know, he's gonna move into prominence though, because

985
00:56:06.000 --> 00:56:06.920
he's well, I mean.

986
00:56:06.920 --> 00:56:09.239
He was the focus of Rogue one too, so that, yeah,

987
00:56:09.599 --> 00:56:14.239
I totally agree with that. I also totally agree with

988
00:56:14.360 --> 00:56:19.360
your your statement about the sets just being off the hook.

989
00:56:19.400 --> 00:56:22.920
I mean, they they are doing some really amazing world

990
00:56:23.000 --> 00:56:27.360
building here, and you you feel like you're in these areas,

991
00:56:27.360 --> 00:56:29.440
and I do think that that's partially because of the

992
00:56:29.599 --> 00:56:35.079
authentic sets and it not all being digital screen type stuff.

993
00:56:36.000 --> 00:56:39.679
The design is just so spot on. I mean, I

994
00:56:40.320 --> 00:56:43.280
I hate to say it, but to me, it feels

995
00:56:43.320 --> 00:56:45.960
like Star Wars is doing a way better job on

996
00:56:46.159 --> 00:56:49.480
design than Star Trek is doing these days. I find

997
00:56:49.519 --> 00:56:53.360
a lot of the Star Trek ships to be kinda meh.

998
00:56:54.079 --> 00:56:55.960
The worlds that they put together are kind of mayh.

999
00:56:57.360 --> 00:57:00.440
But to me, the design that they're putting into Star

1000
00:57:00.480 --> 00:57:03.039
Wars right now is just really crazy. You know, It's funny.

1001
00:57:03.199 --> 00:57:06.480
This picture just made me think about the planet of

1002
00:57:06.519 --> 00:57:08.559
Mina Raw When it first came up and you see

1003
00:57:08.599 --> 00:57:11.400
these fields of wheat, the first thing I thought of

1004
00:57:11.559 --> 00:57:12.320
was that stupid?

1005
00:57:13.480 --> 00:57:13.800
What was that?

1006
00:57:14.000 --> 00:57:18.079
Zack Snyder two parter Rebel Moon?

1007
00:57:18.159 --> 00:57:18.840
Did you ever see that?

1008
00:57:19.119 --> 00:57:21.639
I got through about half of the first part of it.

1009
00:57:21.760 --> 00:57:22.199
It was just.

1010
00:57:24.039 --> 00:57:24.880
It was so bad.

1011
00:57:25.039 --> 00:57:28.800
But the kind of like farm setting just made me

1012
00:57:29.119 --> 00:57:32.199
think of that briefly. They're doing a way better job

1013
00:57:32.239 --> 00:57:35.719
with that farm setting here. And once again, the machines,

1014
00:57:35.840 --> 00:57:39.639
the architecture, the whole like silo contraption thing there.

1015
00:57:39.679 --> 00:57:43.679
Was just so super cool. What about the costumes too, man.

1016
00:57:43.599 --> 00:57:47.599
I mean the costumes, the hair, everything is just really

1017
00:57:47.840 --> 00:57:51.480
it's this show just is like high design on all

1018
00:57:51.639 --> 00:57:52.679
sorts of different levels.

1019
00:57:52.760 --> 00:57:53.280
Absolutely.

1020
00:57:54.719 --> 00:57:56.599
I guess the last thing that I want to say

1021
00:57:56.599 --> 00:58:00.400
about it is that one problem I think that some

1022
00:58:00.519 --> 00:58:03.760
people mentioned about season one was they felt like it

1023
00:58:03.880 --> 00:58:07.280
was slow. They felt like the pacing was slow, They

1024
00:58:07.320 --> 00:58:11.880
felt like some people felt like it was boring. You know,

1025
00:58:12.199 --> 00:58:17.119
aside from the tie fighter scene at the very front

1026
00:58:17.199 --> 00:58:19.639
of the first episode here, which was action packed like

1027
00:58:19.719 --> 00:58:22.599
right off the bat, a lot of this show is

1028
00:58:22.719 --> 00:58:25.519
still pretty slow. And I don't have a problem with that.

1029
00:58:25.880 --> 00:58:29.639
I think that they're building right now. You know, they

1030
00:58:29.679 --> 00:58:32.639
spent it in probably I don't know what percentage, but

1031
00:58:32.719 --> 00:58:37.920
probably thirty five or forty percent of that episode on

1032
00:58:38.039 --> 00:58:42.840
the wedding, right and all of the details of the wedding,

1033
00:58:43.000 --> 00:58:45.400
like all the little ins and outs and rituals and

1034
00:58:45.880 --> 00:58:49.199
you were mentioning the dance, and just the number of

1035
00:58:49.360 --> 00:58:52.280
things of details that they added to that. You could

1036
00:58:52.360 --> 00:58:53.960
say to yourself, why do I want to sit through

1037
00:58:54.000 --> 00:58:56.559
an hour long show where twenty five minutes of it

1038
00:58:56.679 --> 00:58:59.519
is a wedding. Well, it was a pretty kick ass

1039
00:58:59.599 --> 00:59:02.840
wedding and it was pretty interesting, and it provided this

1040
00:59:02.960 --> 00:59:05.880
great backdrop for all of these little conversations to be

1041
00:59:05.960 --> 00:59:09.800
able to happen while while the event is going on,

1042
00:59:09.960 --> 00:59:13.400
which I think is very realistic. You know, the world

1043
00:59:13.519 --> 00:59:16.079
is not a place where two people always go off

1044
00:59:16.119 --> 00:59:18.199
in a corner and have a conversation. There's often these

1045
00:59:18.239 --> 00:59:21.360
sort of like deal making things going on in public,

1046
00:59:21.559 --> 00:59:25.679
or discussing ins and outs of the rebellion going on

1047
00:59:25.840 --> 00:59:29.599
in public in hush tones. So I think the pacing

1048
00:59:29.599 --> 00:59:32.000
of the show is still great. It feels like it's

1049
00:59:32.039 --> 00:59:34.000
got little blips of action when it needs to have

1050
00:59:34.119 --> 00:59:38.920
little blips of action. Those broken rebel guys. I mean,

1051
00:59:39.639 --> 00:59:41.679
you know the planet where the two groups of rebels

1052
00:59:41.760 --> 00:59:44.599
kind of start fighting each other. I thought was was

1053
00:59:44.719 --> 00:59:48.000
brilliant because it does show, as you were just saying,

1054
00:59:48.719 --> 00:59:52.480
why they need a leader, they clearly all have the

1055
00:59:52.519 --> 00:59:54.440
same kind of ideas of what they want to do,

1056
00:59:55.800 --> 00:59:57.840
but they don't know how to do it because nobody's

1057
00:59:57.920 --> 01:00:00.800
kind of leading the charge focusing them.

1058
01:00:00.960 --> 01:00:03.840
Right, It's like they're just raw. They're raw, you know,

1059
01:00:04.320 --> 01:00:06.760
docter and emotion and I hate the Empire, but they

1060
01:00:06.800 --> 01:00:08.880
don't know what to do about it, right, Yeah. And

1061
01:00:09.119 --> 01:00:12.239
it's just I find that really interesting, right, And it's

1062
01:00:12.280 --> 01:00:13.920
just to me, it's just like I feel like if

1063
01:00:14.039 --> 01:00:18.360
Tony Gilroy has a model in his mind, I mean,

1064
01:00:18.519 --> 01:00:20.440
to me, I think he's drawing more from like a

1065
01:00:20.480 --> 01:00:23.039
lot of seventies pictures, like even like The Godfather, Right,

1066
01:00:23.440 --> 01:00:25.599
pictures like The Godfather and The Deer Hunter had like

1067
01:00:26.119 --> 01:00:28.960
super long, extended wedding scenes in them, right. And but

1068
01:00:29.400 --> 01:00:31.400
but you keep cutting away to the other little details

1069
01:00:31.440 --> 01:00:33.960
of things that are happening on the periphery where people

1070
01:00:34.000 --> 01:00:36.119
are up to no good. They're either you know, having

1071
01:00:36.199 --> 01:00:38.800
relations in a hidden bedroom or they're planning to kill somebody,

1072
01:00:38.960 --> 01:00:41.639
or they're you know, getting rid of the police or whatever.

1073
01:00:41.719 --> 01:00:43.960
I mean, it's just these little touches that are happening

1074
01:00:44.000 --> 01:00:48.639
around there, and then gradually, slowly things get closer and

1075
01:00:48.719 --> 01:00:52.679
closer together and then something you know, absolutely, you know,

1076
01:00:53.559 --> 01:00:56.360
kinetic and explosive will happen. So I just love that

1077
01:00:56.519 --> 01:00:58.199
kind of pacing. I mean a lot of it's just

1078
01:00:58.280 --> 01:01:00.760
I grew up with pictures like that, right, and I'd

1079
01:01:00.800 --> 01:01:05.039
love to see that sensibility in you know, basically flipping

1080
01:01:05.119 --> 01:01:08.880
off you know, the conventional TV storyteller that says, you know,

1081
01:01:09.000 --> 01:01:11.000
I must make it action packed, and this is like

1082
01:01:11.079 --> 01:01:14.400
something exciting. I mean, I like character and theme right

1083
01:01:14.559 --> 01:01:17.960
and strong writing, and I just think it's really effective here.

1084
01:01:18.320 --> 01:01:21.639
This second season has been amazing so far. From me,

1085
01:01:21.840 --> 01:01:22.280
I love it.

1086
01:01:23.920 --> 01:01:25.679
Yeah, I would agree, Yeah, go ahead.

1087
01:01:26.119 --> 01:01:28.639
I was gonna kind of go off of what Eric

1088
01:01:28.800 --> 01:01:31.480
mentioned about the set about how Star Wars set is

1089
01:01:31.760 --> 01:01:34.480
getting to the point where it's just like when you

1090
01:01:34.679 --> 01:01:39.159
watch that scene where man Mathma is walking through her house,

1091
01:01:39.960 --> 01:01:42.360
you know, the camera is like going back and you

1092
01:01:42.400 --> 01:01:46.559
could just see all the stuff that was in front

1093
01:01:46.599 --> 01:01:48.159
of her, right, and then it was just like it

1094
01:01:48.280 --> 01:01:50.519
just kept getting more and more and more. It was

1095
01:01:50.639 --> 01:01:54.159
just like, whoa, it's just actually a set or just

1096
01:01:54.239 --> 01:01:55.639
cgi I couldn't.

1097
01:01:55.320 --> 01:01:57.679
Tell, but I think it's a set because at one

1098
01:01:57.679 --> 01:02:00.320
point it's like they're using some really unusualn't had a

1099
01:02:00.360 --> 01:02:03.320
chance of research the episode and usual lenses to where

1100
01:02:03.320 --> 01:02:05.599
you're kind of like, it's really bringing in this kind

1101
01:02:05.639 --> 01:02:08.880
of like panoramic view, right, But I think a lot

1102
01:02:08.920 --> 01:02:12.400
of the times they're like, I know, there's a subway

1103
01:02:12.559 --> 01:02:16.480
depot in London that they've used a lot for both

1104
01:02:16.559 --> 01:02:18.519
of these for like the image you have right there

1105
01:02:18.639 --> 01:02:21.400
right where they can go and actually use a big, cool,

1106
01:02:21.440 --> 01:02:25.320
futuristic looking, you know, existing location, and I think that's

1107
01:02:25.400 --> 01:02:28.480
way better than the you know, and certainly better for

1108
01:02:28.559 --> 01:02:30.840
the actors right than to have to be acting up

1109
01:02:30.840 --> 01:02:32.039
against the volume and stuff.

1110
01:02:32.119 --> 01:02:36.400
So yeah, it definitely helped the actors like really focus

1111
01:02:36.519 --> 01:02:39.199
on like their role because if they can see the environment,

1112
01:02:39.840 --> 01:02:43.199
they can play with it and they can literally just

1113
01:02:43.360 --> 01:02:47.119
like act as they're going, And to me, I think

1114
01:02:47.159 --> 01:02:50.599
that actually helps them a lot better. But kind of

1115
01:02:50.639 --> 01:02:52.880
like you know, acting on a reaction kind of thing.

1116
01:02:53.079 --> 01:02:56.280
So who's your favorite characters that you like? David who

1117
01:02:56.320 --> 01:02:59.280
do you find yourself just excited when they come on screen?

1118
01:03:01.719 --> 01:03:07.719
Man, Mathma, I think just because I know what how

1119
01:03:07.880 --> 01:03:12.079
her role is from like watching Return of the Jedi

1120
01:03:12.239 --> 01:03:14.079
kind of thing, because I know she's gonna be there.

1121
01:03:14.880 --> 01:03:18.840
But I mean, I wanted to mention that this particular show,

1122
01:03:19.159 --> 01:03:22.519
like you mentioned, more of an adult version of Star Wars,

1123
01:03:22.679 --> 01:03:25.000
and it really reminds me a lot of Game of Thrones.

1124
01:03:25.519 --> 01:03:27.639
It really does like you don't know who's gonna die,

1125
01:03:27.760 --> 01:03:30.559
who don't know what's gonna happen. But of course you

1126
01:03:30.639 --> 01:03:33.719
know certain characters are gonna survive because of you know,

1127
01:03:34.039 --> 01:03:37.400
we know their story, how it end. But as far

1128
01:03:37.480 --> 01:03:41.159
as like all the people in the wedding, that whole scene,

1129
01:03:41.320 --> 01:03:43.360
I was kind of confused, like who is who because

1130
01:03:43.360 --> 01:03:47.039
I've never seen this guy before. But yeah, to me,

1131
01:03:47.320 --> 01:03:49.960
I got really like here, for instance, that guy in

1132
01:03:50.039 --> 01:03:53.119
the gray in the middle there between Mathma, Yeah, that's

1133
01:03:53.159 --> 01:03:56.840
her husband. Okay, So I'm still a little confused about

1134
01:03:56.840 --> 01:03:58.679
who's who in this whole scenario here.

1135
01:03:58.719 --> 01:04:01.239
There's so many characters, man, a lot, right, I know,

1136
01:04:01.360 --> 01:04:03.280
it's very easy to get confused by them. I mean,

1137
01:04:03.280 --> 01:04:05.679
because it's just the show. Just asked you to go

1138
01:04:05.800 --> 01:04:06.840
with it sometimes and then you.

1139
01:04:06.880 --> 01:04:07.400
Figure it out.

1140
01:04:08.199 --> 01:04:11.679
And I actually haven't seen season one for like over

1141
01:04:11.760 --> 01:04:13.320
a year, like when it first came out, so I

1142
01:04:13.599 --> 01:04:15.920
kind of forgot a lot of what happened then. And

1143
01:04:16.039 --> 01:04:18.960
then coming into here, I goes like, Okay, I know who's.

1144
01:04:18.760 --> 01:04:20.079
This shit, but not you.

1145
01:04:21.000 --> 01:04:23.960
But to me, as it was going from you know,

1146
01:04:24.119 --> 01:04:29.360
the storyline ABC, and now there's a d apparently they're

1147
01:04:30.159 --> 01:04:33.039
going back and forth with machines. That really got me

1148
01:04:33.119 --> 01:04:36.000
confused a lot of time, because if it wasn't for

1149
01:04:36.400 --> 01:04:40.679
the planet environment, I wouldn't have known what exactly what's

1150
01:04:40.719 --> 01:04:41.000
going on.

1151
01:04:41.519 --> 01:04:42.639
What kind of confused me.

1152
01:04:43.159 --> 01:04:46.719
So I have to rewatch it, and I'm probably gonna

1153
01:04:46.719 --> 01:04:48.760
start from season one again to try and figure out

1154
01:04:48.840 --> 01:04:54.440
like how the story progressed. But yeah, so far, I

1155
01:04:54.719 --> 01:04:57.159
really enjoy it. It's getting to the point where it's

1156
01:04:58.400 --> 01:05:00.719
I mean, from what we saw on the toy we

1157
01:05:00.840 --> 01:05:05.320
know k K two show or whatever his memorage s.

1158
01:05:05.480 --> 01:05:07.880
K two, Oh yeah, from from Rogue one.

1159
01:05:08.159 --> 01:05:09.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that roguat guy.

1160
01:05:09.679 --> 01:05:12.480
He could of show up, which would be great because

1161
01:05:12.519 --> 01:05:17.320
he was always hilarious and just bitter and brutal and

1162
01:05:17.480 --> 01:05:20.079
just you know, he's great and the voice actor.

1163
01:05:20.119 --> 01:05:25.400
He's the guy from Suinity, right, yeah, yeah, yeah. So

1164
01:05:25.960 --> 01:05:28.960
just overall, I mean, I like Rogue one. I really

1165
01:05:29.079 --> 01:05:31.679
enjoyed Rogue one a lot, and knowing that this is

1166
01:05:31.719 --> 01:05:35.599
a prequel, it's really interesting to see how their character

1167
01:05:35.840 --> 01:05:40.480
developed to go through. And I'm hoping for more seasons

1168
01:05:40.639 --> 01:05:43.639
rather than there's a season two because I'm interesting and

1169
01:05:43.679 --> 01:05:46.440
probably deserves it. Loose a good five in my opinion,

1170
01:05:46.599 --> 01:05:49.880
They're all done, man, this is it. They're only two seasons.

1171
01:05:50.000 --> 01:05:53.159
Oh yeah, they's planned out that way. Initially, they were

1172
01:05:53.199 --> 01:05:55.159
originally going to try and do more, but they just said,

1173
01:05:55.239 --> 01:05:58.039
let's get in and focus and really, you know, amp

1174
01:05:58.159 --> 01:06:00.400
up the beats. So they want this to lead directly

1175
01:06:00.400 --> 01:06:02.000
into Rogue one at the end of the season. So

1176
01:06:02.960 --> 01:06:03.960
that's what I've been hearing.

1177
01:06:04.159 --> 01:06:05.760
That's what That's what Paul was saying, was that the

1178
01:06:05.960 --> 01:06:09.639
each each batch of three episodes is a year, and

1179
01:06:09.760 --> 01:06:11.639
there's only four years from the Battle of.

1180
01:06:13.519 --> 01:06:15.559
We're kind of getting like for this season, we're getting

1181
01:06:15.599 --> 01:06:17.599
like four movies? Is it the way to look at

1182
01:06:17.639 --> 01:06:20.960
this season? Like there are three episode increments, really, but

1183
01:06:21.079 --> 01:06:24.039
we're getting like four badass Star Wars movies, right That

1184
01:06:24.119 --> 01:06:26.880
all lead up to Rogue One, which is incredible and

1185
01:06:27.360 --> 01:06:29.679
just so hard to predict. I mean a lot of stuff.

1186
01:06:29.800 --> 01:06:31.920
Why do we start talking about you know, four or

1187
01:06:31.960 --> 01:06:34.400
five and six next week? I mean, man, it's hard to.

1188
01:06:34.719 --> 01:06:36.760
I Mean one of the brilliant things about Rogue One

1189
01:06:36.840 --> 01:06:39.400
that then and Or is also doing is that we

1190
01:06:39.599 --> 01:06:44.400
already know how this all ends, right, and yet it's

1191
01:06:44.519 --> 01:06:48.400
so interesting. We still care about the characters, we still

1192
01:06:48.480 --> 01:06:51.559
care about how it happens. We already know the rebels

1193
01:06:51.559 --> 01:06:52.960
are going to win, we already know they're going to

1194
01:06:53.000 --> 01:06:57.360
destroy the dust Star, but right there, but somehow we

1195
01:06:57.599 --> 01:07:01.599
are just enthralled with the character. And that's the writing. Man, That's.

1196
01:07:03.000 --> 01:07:05.280
And really good casting on this show, right. I mean,

1197
01:07:05.360 --> 01:07:08.559
I just don't enough cannot be said about you know,

1198
01:07:08.719 --> 01:07:11.679
I think the you know the I think Diego Luna

1199
01:07:11.719 --> 01:07:13.760
does a great job right as the hero. But but

1200
01:07:13.880 --> 01:07:18.800
the supporting actors are just stelling scars Guard as you know,

1201
01:07:19.039 --> 01:07:20.119
Luth and Rail he's just.

1202
01:07:20.400 --> 01:07:25.079
Uni and Denise Gau as as Dedra. I mean, she

1203
01:07:25.599 --> 01:07:28.159
is just spot on. She's the one that I get

1204
01:07:28.199 --> 01:07:30.159
excited about every time she comes on the screen. I

1205
01:07:30.320 --> 01:07:31.960
just I love everything she does.

1206
01:07:32.599 --> 01:07:35.360
She's amazing. She's I mean, I'm very proud to say

1207
01:07:35.360 --> 01:07:37.199
I have. I think I'm up to date with all

1208
01:07:37.239 --> 01:07:39.679
of my and Or action figures, right, And I was

1209
01:07:40.440 --> 01:07:43.079
a little giddy when they made a Dedra Miro action figure.

1210
01:07:43.079 --> 01:07:45.639
I was just like, that's that's badass, you know, but

1211
01:07:47.039 --> 01:07:50.519
really cool characters all the way through there, and uh

1212
01:07:50.840 --> 01:07:53.880
and things happened just suddenly that you weren't expecting, right,

1213
01:07:54.039 --> 01:07:58.280
And it's just let Jim get in here, man, Yeah, yeah, absolutely,

1214
01:07:58.599 --> 01:07:59.280
keep going, guys.

1215
01:08:00.119 --> 01:08:01.920
Well, I don't think you guys really want me to

1216
01:08:02.000 --> 01:08:07.320
get in here because we're about to hear completely different opinions.

1217
01:08:07.320 --> 01:08:09.800
And I respect everything that you guys have said, but

1218
01:08:09.920 --> 01:08:15.559
I disagree with you. Art is subjective, man, So it's

1219
01:08:15.719 --> 01:08:20.000
very subjective. I found Season one to be a total bore.

1220
01:08:20.560 --> 01:08:24.279
Put me to sleep. I've said that before. And this

1221
01:08:24.720 --> 01:08:27.800
and Or has divided the Star Wars community in a big,

1222
01:08:27.920 --> 01:08:30.520
big way because you have people like you, guys, and

1223
01:08:30.600 --> 01:08:33.520
people like me, and it's it's it's caused a big

1224
01:08:33.800 --> 01:08:38.159
divide in the world of Star Wars. I felt that

1225
01:08:38.760 --> 01:08:43.000
the rape scene was completely just just not necessary on

1226
01:08:43.159 --> 01:08:47.359
call for I agree with you, Paul, we all know

1227
01:08:47.680 --> 01:08:51.399
what goes on. But this is Star Wars. When I

1228
01:08:51.520 --> 01:08:52.920
was a teenager, when I was a kid on a

1229
01:08:53.000 --> 01:08:55.800
paper route, I'd collect my money, I'd run on, plunk

1230
01:08:55.880 --> 01:08:59.279
down my seventy five cents, Yes, seventy five cents, that's

1231
01:08:59.319 --> 01:09:02.439
how old it was. And I would see Star Wars

1232
01:09:02.600 --> 01:09:05.560
every weekend. Every weekend I went to see Star Wars.

1233
01:09:06.199 --> 01:09:08.680
It was a fun popcorn movie, get away from everything,

1234
01:09:08.760 --> 01:09:10.960
have a good time, good versus evil, the good guys win.

1235
01:09:11.039 --> 01:09:15.520
It was a fun, feel good movie. They have taken

1236
01:09:15.560 --> 01:09:19.159
that out of Star Wars. They're turning Star Wars into

1237
01:09:19.239 --> 01:09:21.920
Star Trek, where all we need now is Captain to

1238
01:09:22.000 --> 01:09:24.199
Card to show up and give some ethical, you know,

1239
01:09:25.439 --> 01:09:29.840
speech about why the Empire is evil. So I'm I'm

1240
01:09:29.920 --> 01:09:35.079
really not digging this at all. The scene with the

1241
01:09:35.119 --> 01:09:38.680
blue milk drinking guy and his mother reminded me of

1242
01:09:38.720 --> 01:09:41.800
Aaxana Troy. I just didn't dig that scene at all.

1243
01:09:42.319 --> 01:09:45.319
The Rock paper Scissors scene on Yavin was a joke.

1244
01:09:46.880 --> 01:09:49.680
I just the wedding, Oh my god, they dragged down

1245
01:09:49.720 --> 01:09:53.560
the wedding for freaking forever. Three episodes of a wedding

1246
01:09:54.560 --> 01:10:01.079
boring and and Or spends half the time time locked

1247
01:10:01.119 --> 01:10:03.680
up in a tie fighter. We don't even see him

1248
01:10:03.720 --> 01:10:07.840
really much in the beginning and at the end. So yeah,

1249
01:10:07.920 --> 01:10:10.520
I didn't feel about it the way you guys did

1250
01:10:10.720 --> 01:10:16.199
at all. But it started out phenomenal. Started out. I

1251
01:10:16.399 --> 01:10:19.039
was like, Wow, maybe they're gonna get away from the

1252
01:10:19.079 --> 01:10:22.760
season one snooze fest, and they did. We got to

1253
01:10:22.800 --> 01:10:27.159
see some Stormtroopers taking over the Weak planet, which I

1254
01:10:27.239 --> 01:10:32.960
thought was really awesomely cool, and Krenick was To see Krenic,

1255
01:10:33.079 --> 01:10:37.000
I was like, yeah, Cretic, Yeah, I love the credit character.

1256
01:10:37.079 --> 01:10:41.439
And to see them scheming to take over the Spider

1257
01:10:41.520 --> 01:10:47.159
planet there, Golum whatever it was, Gondorman, you know, and

1258
01:10:48.479 --> 01:10:52.119
they're going to actually infiltrate the rebellion and make sure

1259
01:10:52.159 --> 01:10:55.039
that the rebellion is the rebellion. So I find it

1260
01:10:55.159 --> 01:10:57.600
kind of ironic that the Empire themselves might be the

1261
01:10:57.680 --> 01:11:00.279
ones that start the very rebellion that brings them down.

1262
01:11:01.399 --> 01:11:04.159
So there's a lot here that I liked. I still

1263
01:11:04.239 --> 01:11:08.840
feel that it's just moving too slow, and that they're

1264
01:11:09.079 --> 01:11:11.920
taking the Star Wars out of Star Wars and turning

1265
01:11:11.960 --> 01:11:14.800
it into Star Trek. And yeah, I remember an episode

1266
01:11:14.840 --> 01:11:19.880
of Discovery last season where Debtmer takes Booker's ship and

1267
01:11:19.960 --> 01:11:23.199
flies it around the Orion Green Queen ship and they

1268
01:11:23.279 --> 01:11:26.239
send the fighters out and have a space fight around

1269
01:11:26.279 --> 01:11:28.279
the ship, and all the Star Wars, all the Star

1270
01:11:28.319 --> 01:11:30.520
Trek fans were up in arms because they're turning Star

1271
01:11:30.600 --> 01:11:33.640
Trek into Star Wars with space battles, and I feel

1272
01:11:33.680 --> 01:11:37.399
that they're doing the same thing here. I don't want

1273
01:11:37.439 --> 01:11:40.079
to see rapes on Star Trek on Star Wars. I

1274
01:11:40.840 --> 01:11:45.000
just I don't think it belongs there. You know, Star

1275
01:11:45.079 --> 01:11:47.159
Wars is made for kids, and you don't want kids

1276
01:11:47.239 --> 01:11:52.399
to watch this. It's too adult for children. And I'm

1277
01:11:52.479 --> 01:11:54.359
sorry that I disagree with you guys on that.

1278
01:11:55.600 --> 01:11:57.399
Well, I would just say this is not this. I

1279
01:11:57.479 --> 01:11:59.359
think they would the greatest of the show. It absolutely

1280
01:11:59.560 --> 01:12:02.359
this is not thus Star Wars for children. Right, And

1281
01:12:02.520 --> 01:12:04.760
you've we've we've said many times in this show that

1282
01:12:04.920 --> 01:12:07.880
like a lot of times with like franchises, right, and

1283
01:12:08.159 --> 01:12:10.640
you've said this about Star Trek. Right. There's different flavors

1284
01:12:10.720 --> 01:12:13.119
like do you want to go into the Baskin Robins

1285
01:12:13.199 --> 01:12:15.000
and there is just well, we have Vanilla, and we

1286
01:12:15.079 --> 01:12:17.880
also have Vanilla. Oh, we have Vanilla, and we also

1287
01:12:17.920 --> 01:12:19.840
have today a special Vanilla. I mean you don't want

1288
01:12:19.840 --> 01:12:23.279
a bunch of different alternatives, right, different kinds of stories.

1289
01:12:23.880 --> 01:12:26.319
And no one is you know, saying that this is

1290
01:12:26.359 --> 01:12:29.319
where Star Wars needs to go, right, But this is

1291
01:12:29.439 --> 01:12:33.439
a for for folks that want, you know, this type

1292
01:12:33.439 --> 01:12:36.560
of storytelling who like this. I don't think it's I mean,

1293
01:12:36.600 --> 01:12:38.880
there's still other kinds of I mean, I think we

1294
01:12:39.079 --> 01:12:43.079
were seeing very currently right shows like Ahsoka and Mandalorian,

1295
01:12:43.279 --> 01:12:45.840
very much like the Star Wars you're evoking, right. Still,

1296
01:12:46.239 --> 01:12:47.199
I agree that those are.

1297
01:12:47.520 --> 01:12:50.000
Looking forward to Grogu and the Mandalorian movie.

1298
01:12:50.399 --> 01:12:52.840
Yeah, this is just a different, you know, different type

1299
01:12:52.880 --> 01:12:55.079
of storytelling. It's different for ever darker.

1300
01:12:55.680 --> 01:13:00.159
Yeah, absolutely for everybody. I am very much looking forward to.

1301
01:13:00.600 --> 01:13:03.000
One of the things that disappointed me about season one

1302
01:13:03.680 --> 01:13:06.680
was and Or meets K two s So, well, wait,

1303
01:13:06.800 --> 01:13:09.800
and Or meets an Imperial Droid and I thought this

1304
01:13:09.960 --> 01:13:11.680
was going to be K two s oh, but it wasn't.

1305
01:13:12.319 --> 01:13:15.479
I'm I'm really hoping that we see K two s O.

1306
01:13:15.560 --> 01:13:17.159
In fact, I know we are because I see his

1307
01:13:17.319 --> 01:13:19.920
names in the I m b D credits. So yeah,

1308
01:13:20.039 --> 01:13:21.680
K two s O is going to show up, and

1309
01:13:21.840 --> 01:13:24.840
I think for me, that's really going to bring it

1310
01:13:24.960 --> 01:13:28.600
closer to to Rogue one, which which in my opinion,

1311
01:13:29.279 --> 01:13:32.720
is the ultimate Star Wars movie is Rogue one. So

1312
01:13:33.640 --> 01:13:35.520
when they bring in K two s O, when we

1313
01:13:35.600 --> 01:13:39.079
get to see that relationship developed, I'm all for that.

1314
01:13:39.560 --> 01:13:44.399
I'm also looking forward to seeing uh uh, the Rebel

1315
01:13:44.399 --> 01:13:47.399
Alliance guy that's a terminator what's his name there from

1316
01:13:47.520 --> 01:13:52.840
Rogue one, the guy that breathes with a breathing mask

1317
01:13:52.960 --> 01:13:55.159
and he's got a robot foot and a robot arm,

1318
01:13:55.319 --> 01:14:02.199
And I'm yeah, I also saw his name in the credit,

1319
01:14:02.279 --> 01:14:04.840
so I'm looking forward to seeing him. My point is

1320
01:14:04.880 --> 01:14:08.680
that we are four years before Battle the Avin. The

1321
01:14:08.760 --> 01:14:11.640
next three episodes are going to be three years, the

1322
01:14:11.760 --> 01:14:13.199
next three are going to be two years, and the

1323
01:14:13.279 --> 01:14:15.119
last three are going to be right before the battle.

1324
01:14:15.439 --> 01:14:18.079
I'm hoping that as we move closer and closer and

1325
01:14:18.119 --> 01:14:20.479
closer to the Battle of y Avin, or for those

1326
01:14:20.560 --> 01:14:24.319
of you, for Rogue one, that we're going to get

1327
01:14:25.479 --> 01:14:28.399
closer to the characters that we know from Rogue one,

1328
01:14:28.600 --> 01:14:29.880
and we're going to get to see some of their

1329
01:14:29.920 --> 01:14:33.319
background and some of the character building. I just find

1330
01:14:33.840 --> 01:14:37.479
all the whispering, all the stuff to be just not

1331
01:14:37.800 --> 01:14:41.800
what I'm looking for. In my opinion, I did.

1332
01:14:41.800 --> 01:14:44.319
Shall we not continue talking about the show? Then? Probably

1333
01:14:44.399 --> 01:14:45.000
on the podcast?

1334
01:14:45.039 --> 01:14:47.520
Oh no, absolutely not. We talked about the Orville and

1335
01:14:47.600 --> 01:14:50.960
I absolutely despised that show, and we went on and

1336
01:14:51.079 --> 01:14:54.640
on and on and with the Orville forever. So I

1337
01:14:54.760 --> 01:14:59.960
thought that the scene in the wheat field, seeing stormtroopers

1338
01:15:00.079 --> 01:15:04.800
running across a field of wheat firing at Braxo, was

1339
01:15:04.880 --> 01:15:09.319
it Braxo? That was like that was like a scene

1340
01:15:09.319 --> 01:15:11.800
that I never thought I'd see stormtroopers on a farm,

1341
01:15:13.279 --> 01:15:16.640
you know. Was different. So there were some things I

1342
01:15:16.800 --> 01:15:18.439
liked about the show, and there were some things I

1343
01:15:18.600 --> 01:15:21.319
didn't like about the show. There was enough that I

1344
01:15:21.560 --> 01:15:24.239
liked about it that I'm really psyched to see, you

1345
01:15:24.319 --> 01:15:25.800
know where it goes. And I want to see k

1346
01:15:25.920 --> 01:15:28.479
Twoso show up. I want to see saw Guerrera and

1347
01:15:28.960 --> 01:15:33.159
uh yeah, so that you know, that's my take on it. So,

1348
01:15:33.359 --> 01:15:34.479
and we all have different opinions.

1349
01:15:34.520 --> 01:15:36.880
And you want a more traditional kind of Star Wars.

1350
01:15:37.199 --> 01:15:39.479
You don't want the parts of it to make you uncomfortable.

1351
01:15:41.439 --> 01:15:44.079
The parts that make me uncomfortable. Are you referring to

1352
01:15:44.119 --> 01:15:47.199
the rape the tentative rape scene. Yeah, yeah, that had

1353
01:15:47.279 --> 01:15:49.199
no place to be in a Star Wars movie in

1354
01:15:49.279 --> 01:15:54.039
my opinion, I mean, it didn't. I mean, when I

1355
01:15:54.159 --> 01:15:56.439
was growing up watching Star Wars, I didn't have to know.

1356
01:15:56.840 --> 01:15:58.880
When I'm watching Darth Vader, I didn't have to know

1357
01:15:59.039 --> 01:16:01.479
that Stormtroopers were evil and the Empire rape people. I

1358
01:16:01.680 --> 01:16:04.199
was a kid, I was having fun. I didn't need to.

1359
01:16:04.279 --> 01:16:06.119
I just don't think this is that that's not the

1360
01:16:06.159 --> 01:16:08.159
same audience though. I don't think this is made for

1361
01:16:08.279 --> 01:16:10.319
the people like you who were kids who took their

1362
01:16:10.359 --> 01:16:14.319
seventy five cents. This is made for you know, they

1363
01:16:14.359 --> 01:16:15.760
don't want kids watching the show.

1364
01:16:16.439 --> 01:16:19.239
That's true. But I am that kid that plunked down

1365
01:16:19.279 --> 01:16:22.159
my seventy five cents from my paper route. I'm the

1366
01:16:22.279 --> 01:16:25.159
same kid. I mean, I you know, I go to

1367
01:16:25.199 --> 01:16:28.319
see Star Wars movies because I want to get away

1368
01:16:28.359 --> 01:16:31.880
from the trumpy and bullshit that's going on. And you know,

1369
01:16:32.560 --> 01:16:36.920
so I didn't feel that that scene belonged in Star Wars.

1370
01:16:37.039 --> 01:16:39.680
And the fandom is split on that. There's people that

1371
01:16:39.800 --> 01:16:41.960
are grouped me and people that don't. And that's fine,

1372
01:16:42.439 --> 01:16:44.319
That's totally fine. That's what it's all about. And I

1373
01:16:44.359 --> 01:16:47.199
hope that our listeners, our listeners that listen to the show,

1374
01:16:47.279 --> 01:16:50.319
have their favorite hosts and the people that they like

1375
01:16:50.399 --> 01:16:54.640
to hear their opinions, and so it's okay to have

1376
01:16:54.720 --> 01:16:58.119
a different opinion. I'm going to keep watching the show.

1377
01:16:58.439 --> 01:17:02.399
I'm uh. I'm very hopeful that the next three episodes

1378
01:17:02.479 --> 01:17:05.479
are going to be closer to Rogue one. So they're

1379
01:17:05.479 --> 01:17:07.720
gonna they're gonna ramp things up a little bit more

1380
01:17:07.840 --> 01:17:11.119
than they perhaps they are, and I'm really looking forward

1381
01:17:11.119 --> 01:17:13.119
to seeing where they go with this. So I just

1382
01:17:13.199 --> 01:17:15.640
had a couple of things that rubbed me the wrong

1383
01:17:15.680 --> 01:17:18.119
way in the first three episodes, that's all.

1384
01:17:18.560 --> 01:17:18.760
Yeah.

1385
01:17:19.279 --> 01:17:22.119
I think it would have been a lot and more

1386
01:17:22.520 --> 01:17:25.079
left confusing if they would have changed the name from Android,

1387
01:17:25.119 --> 01:17:27.159
because otherwise you're gonna see a bunch of Andoian running

1388
01:17:27.159 --> 01:17:27.720
all over the place.

1389
01:17:27.920 --> 01:17:32.720
You got to watch those andorians. But yeah, I that

1390
01:17:32.880 --> 01:17:39.680
that was my take on it. So yeah, so cool. Yeah,

1391
01:17:39.720 --> 01:17:42.439
I mean, you know, that's why I let I let

1392
01:17:42.520 --> 01:17:45.159
Paul go first, I let you guys talk about it,

1393
01:17:45.239 --> 01:17:48.560
and then you know, I went last, because I knew

1394
01:17:48.600 --> 01:17:51.000
that I I knew that that I was going to

1395
01:17:51.039 --> 01:17:54.119
be in a completely different area than you guys. And

1396
01:17:54.239 --> 01:17:58.199
that's okay, that's totally Okay, there was episodes of Discovery

1397
01:17:58.239 --> 01:18:00.720
and the Card that we talked about that you guys

1398
01:18:00.760 --> 01:18:02.880
hated that I liked, and that's that's what keeps the

1399
01:18:02.920 --> 01:18:05.800
world rolling. You know, we have different opinions and that's cool.

1400
01:18:06.359 --> 01:18:08.560
So let's see what they do with the next bunch

1401
01:18:08.600 --> 01:18:11.880
of episodes, which which I started watching before the podcast,

1402
01:18:12.000 --> 01:18:14.920
but only got a little bit through the next episode,

1403
01:18:14.920 --> 01:18:20.239
which looks very promising. So Charles, Charles, unfortunately, who hasn't

1404
01:18:20.239 --> 01:18:25.520
seen any of it. He's getting everything ruined for him. Unfortunately,

1405
01:18:26.680 --> 01:18:27.239
not really.

1406
01:18:27.720 --> 01:18:29.920
By the time I get to episode one, I'll have

1407
01:18:30.039 --> 01:18:33.439
forgotten a lot of it was said, and they'll be fresh.

1408
01:18:34.479 --> 01:18:37.760
Good, good, good good. So yeah, I really want to

1409
01:18:37.760 --> 01:18:39.880
see Alan Tudic come back as K two s so

1410
01:18:40.439 --> 01:18:42.520
he's one of my favorite, back to what Paul said,

1411
01:18:42.800 --> 01:18:47.560
I don't other than Cassie in Unfortunately, I don't really

1412
01:18:47.760 --> 01:18:53.760
identify or really care about any of these characters except

1413
01:18:53.800 --> 01:18:57.520
for Cassie and himself. So that's why I'm kind of

1414
01:18:57.520 --> 01:18:59.520
looking forward to bringing in K twos so because he

1415
01:18:59.600 --> 01:19:02.119
was one of my favorite parts of Rogue one, and

1416
01:19:02.279 --> 01:19:06.119
I really want to see Saal Guerrera and you know,

1417
01:19:06.239 --> 01:19:10.239
maybe those characters will oh and Krenick. Who doesn't love Krenick. Guys,

1418
01:19:10.319 --> 01:19:14.600
come on. Krenick is like the grandma parkin of and Or.

1419
01:19:14.760 --> 01:19:16.840
So I was really psyched to see him, and I

1420
01:19:16.920 --> 01:19:20.039
hope we see more of him in his scheming evil

1421
01:19:20.159 --> 01:19:23.640
stealing the silk from the Spiders going on.

1422
01:19:24.000 --> 01:19:27.520
So, actually, the person I'm really psyched to see you

1423
01:19:27.600 --> 01:19:29.479
to come on the show is Darth Vader. I know

1424
01:19:29.600 --> 01:19:32.079
this isn't supposed to be lightshaber dueling stuff, but his

1425
01:19:32.239 --> 01:19:38.439
presence there, just being able to command like certain change.

1426
01:19:39.199 --> 01:19:41.840
I know that James old Jones had passion everything, but

1427
01:19:42.560 --> 01:19:45.159
I don't know how they would ai hit voice in

1428
01:19:45.399 --> 01:19:47.439
or whatever. But it would be interesting to see Darth

1429
01:19:47.520 --> 01:19:52.359
Vader come back and this particular show, he very well could.

1430
01:19:52.560 --> 01:19:55.039
I mean he was in Rogue one, he was chasing

1431
01:19:55.119 --> 01:19:58.680
after Princess Leah, so he is around. We very well

1432
01:19:58.760 --> 01:20:02.079
could see him. You never can tell. There I did.

1433
01:20:02.359 --> 01:20:04.680
There were a lot of Easter eggs that I that

1434
01:20:04.800 --> 01:20:09.159
I caught. One of them was when when Kranick is

1435
01:20:09.199 --> 01:20:12.880
sitting around the table with his Imperial Espionage group of

1436
01:20:13.000 --> 01:20:17.479
people there he mentioned a character from the original Star

1437
01:20:17.560 --> 01:20:24.199
Wars movie. He mentioned General uh Wolf, Woolgrant Jogrin.

1438
01:20:24.880 --> 01:20:26.760
Oh, General Wolf Lauren.

1439
01:20:27.119 --> 01:20:30.319
He is in Star Wars. He's he's the Amirlston in

1440
01:20:30.640 --> 01:20:33.000
the white sitting at the table next to the dude

1441
01:20:33.039 --> 01:20:36.800
that Darth Vader chokes in Star Wars. Hm, that's him,

1442
01:20:37.600 --> 01:20:39.960
so which I thought, Oh wow he mentioned his name,

1443
01:20:40.079 --> 01:20:43.199
was like, I know who that dude is, so you

1444
01:20:43.279 --> 01:20:45.199
know he's going to show up at some point because

1445
01:20:45.239 --> 01:20:48.359
we know he's in Star Wars. So yeah, that was it.

1446
01:20:49.000 --> 01:20:51.479
Oh yeah, I thought the tie the Tie Defender was

1447
01:20:51.640 --> 01:20:56.399
just incredibly awesome. You know when when Cassie and steals it,

1448
01:20:57.079 --> 01:21:00.720
it's got missiles, it goes into uh up light speed,

1449
01:21:00.760 --> 01:21:03.760
which tie fighters can't, but this one can. It has

1450
01:21:03.800 --> 01:21:06.520
a huge cockpit that holds like eight or nine people.

1451
01:21:07.760 --> 01:21:10.800
The storm troopers don't have to wear a breathing gear

1452
01:21:11.399 --> 01:21:14.119
in this particular tie fighter. It's not exposed to the

1453
01:21:14.359 --> 01:21:17.000
to the elements of space like regular tie fighters are.

1454
01:21:17.520 --> 01:21:20.199
So I thought that was really cool too to see

1455
01:21:20.199 --> 01:21:24.319
her this this super advanced tie fighter. So yeah, that's it.

1456
01:21:24.800 --> 01:21:27.560
That's my thoughts on and Or episodes one, two, and three.

1457
01:21:28.279 --> 01:21:32.159
Anybody have anything to say before we move on?

1458
01:21:32.439 --> 01:21:35.600
Well, speaking about that tie Fighter ship, why wasn't it

1459
01:21:35.680 --> 01:21:37.560
show banged up when he kept running it into the

1460
01:21:37.640 --> 01:21:42.000
cliff and it's like what it has?

1461
01:21:42.039 --> 01:21:45.720
Shield? Okay, anyway shield?

1462
01:21:45.960 --> 01:21:47.720
So just I know she's not on tonight, But what

1463
01:21:47.840 --> 01:21:50.239
is your daughter? Your daughter? You mentioned it been watching

1464
01:21:50.319 --> 01:21:52.399
this elive? Where does she fall? Is she more with

1465
01:21:52.560 --> 01:21:54.880
you or is she or like open to new things?

1466
01:21:54.880 --> 01:21:54.920
No?

1467
01:21:55.039 --> 01:21:57.800
No, No, she's very close minded like me. She you know,

1468
01:21:57.920 --> 01:22:00.279
she likes things to be very very this aim and

1469
01:22:00.319 --> 01:22:04.840
she's very closed minded, just like I am. So no,

1470
01:22:05.680 --> 01:22:09.680
I had to explain to her what what for for

1471
01:22:10.000 --> 01:22:14.680
bb y men before the Battle of Yavin. She didn't

1472
01:22:14.720 --> 01:22:16.920
know what that was, so I had to explain her

1473
01:22:17.000 --> 01:22:19.720
what that meant and where this ball's on the timeline,

1474
01:22:20.159 --> 01:22:23.479
and uh, she's really looking forward to seeing actually you

1475
01:22:23.560 --> 01:22:26.119
know what I have. I have her response right here.

1476
01:22:27.079 --> 01:22:29.640
But does she like it on the whole? More thumbs

1477
01:22:29.720 --> 01:22:30.680
up and more thumbs down?

1478
01:22:31.600 --> 01:22:36.079
No? She uh, she said. She says here that she

1479
01:22:36.239 --> 01:22:39.039
loved the Star Wars original series flashbacks and the hints

1480
01:22:39.039 --> 01:22:41.840
of the Rebel Alliance forming. She loved the Stormtroopers and

1481
01:22:41.920 --> 01:22:44.439
Cassie and Andor's attempts to fly the Type Fighter. And

1482
01:22:44.600 --> 01:22:47.159
she's really looking forward to seeing K two s O

1483
01:22:47.560 --> 01:22:51.079
and she gives the show a thumbs up and if

1484
01:22:51.119 --> 01:22:53.199
her hair was in better shape and she wasn't in

1485
01:22:53.279 --> 01:22:55.720
her pajamas. I was trying to talk her into coming

1486
01:22:55.800 --> 01:22:58.319
on the show because she hasn't been with us since

1487
01:22:58.359 --> 01:23:00.560
we went to this new format, so she was trying

1488
01:23:00.600 --> 01:23:02.760
to call in on her phone like we used to do.

1489
01:23:03.640 --> 01:23:06.239
I couldn't get her to come on and show herself

1490
01:23:06.279 --> 01:23:09.039
with messed hair and no makeup, so I apologize for that,

1491
01:23:09.920 --> 01:23:17.880
or she would have been here. So that's that cool. Yeah,

1492
01:23:19.399 --> 01:23:22.560
So any any other anyone else want to add anything

1493
01:23:22.600 --> 01:23:25.920
about Indoor Season two, Episode one, two and three.

1494
01:23:29.199 --> 01:23:32.600
Do we have a live listeners who are adding in

1495
01:23:32.680 --> 01:23:33.399
common at all?

1496
01:23:34.119 --> 01:23:36.479
Charles? There is anybody in the chat room? I sent

1497
01:23:36.560 --> 01:23:38.640
out invitations to everybody.

1498
01:23:39.760 --> 01:23:42.800
So far, I'm not seeing anybody pop in the chat room.

1499
01:23:43.680 --> 01:23:46.840
Nobody's in the chat room. Okay, so there's your answer. No,

1500
01:23:48.119 --> 01:23:50.920
I did send up and we according to my screen,

1501
01:23:51.279 --> 01:23:56.760
we are on Facebook Live, but I still don't know where. Yeah,

1502
01:23:56.960 --> 01:23:59.680
I don't know where it's where it's broadcasting, but he says,

1503
01:23:59.720 --> 01:24:06.520
we're I'm Facebook Live somewhere. So when do when do

1504
01:24:06.720 --> 01:24:09.760
Episode four five and six drop it's tonight, right.

1505
01:24:10.920 --> 01:24:13.760
Well, they've already dropped. They dropped like tuesdays they are.

1506
01:24:13.720 --> 01:24:15.319
Right, yeah, I think they're coming out every Tuesday.

1507
01:24:15.560 --> 01:24:17.119
Every Tuesday is the new Ones hit.

1508
01:24:17.600 --> 01:24:19.760
So yeah, I'll have to watch four, five and six.

1509
01:24:20.960 --> 01:24:27.800
So that's it, guys. Yeah, that's that's all she wrote. Eric,

1510
01:24:27.880 --> 01:24:32.399
you went to you were at Trekknda Roga, right, yeah?

1511
01:24:32.600 --> 01:24:35.079
Did you? Did you happen to visit Fort ty Kander

1512
01:24:35.159 --> 01:24:36.039
Roga while you were there?

1513
01:24:37.560 --> 01:24:38.119
I did not know.

1514
01:24:38.720 --> 01:24:42.079
There's a scene in and Or where they show the

1515
01:24:42.640 --> 01:24:49.319
the spider planet gouram is it and the graphic that

1516
01:24:49.439 --> 01:24:52.600
they show. The first thing I thought of was that's

1517
01:24:52.680 --> 01:24:55.720
Fort tay Kanda Roga. It was. It was a five

1518
01:24:55.800 --> 01:24:57.760
point if you guys go back and watch it. The

1519
01:24:57.840 --> 01:24:59.840
way the city is set up, it's a five pointed

1520
01:25:00.199 --> 01:25:04.560
star type of setup, exactly like for Tight kind of Roga.

1521
01:25:04.920 --> 01:25:06.720
And I noticed it right away when they showed that

1522
01:25:06.840 --> 01:25:09.760
exterior shot of the city, I'm like, Wow, that's just

1523
01:25:09.840 --> 01:25:12.319
a space version of ty kind of Roga. That's pretty

1524
01:25:12.399 --> 01:25:18.319
damn cool. I thought so. All right, guys, So that's it.

1525
01:25:18.439 --> 01:25:22.039
So what are our overall thoughts on and Or.

1526
01:25:22.439 --> 01:25:27.960
Paul, you want like a what are you looking for?

1527
01:25:28.119 --> 01:25:29.119
Like we usually number you.

1528
01:25:29.159 --> 01:25:31.640
Usually do you know one point seven or way?

1529
01:25:31.720 --> 01:25:35.399
Oh okay, Like I led like a numeric grade for

1530
01:25:35.600 --> 01:25:38.000
just the first three season, first three episode, three episodes,

1531
01:25:38.600 --> 01:25:40.159
I give it a ten. I gave it a ten.

1532
01:25:40.239 --> 01:25:42.760
I think it's courageous and important storytelling. I think it's

1533
01:25:42.800 --> 01:25:44.800
very timely to what we're doing. I think it should

1534
01:25:44.800 --> 01:25:48.840
be commended for not recycling the same old tropes and

1535
01:25:49.039 --> 01:25:52.760
for digging into more uh you know, thoughtful and uh

1536
01:25:53.600 --> 01:25:57.479
tension fields filmmaking. So to me, it's it's exemplary. Yeah,

1537
01:25:57.520 --> 01:25:59.840
I would definitely give it a tent and encourage people to,

1538
01:26:00.560 --> 01:26:03.880
you know, put their preconceptions on the shelf and give

1539
01:26:03.920 --> 01:26:07.520
it a try, especially if you like good suspenseful spycraft

1540
01:26:07.600 --> 01:26:08.279
and storytelling.

1541
01:26:08.640 --> 01:26:13.960
How about you, Eric, Yeah, I have to agree with Paul.

1542
01:26:14.000 --> 01:26:16.680
I think it's probably the best Star Wars show that

1543
01:26:17.119 --> 01:26:18.560
I've seen in recent memory.

1544
01:26:19.319 --> 01:26:20.319
So I really really like it.

1545
01:26:20.520 --> 01:26:21.600
Yeah, I'll give it a ten.

1546
01:26:22.079 --> 01:26:22.920
How about you, David?

1547
01:26:24.680 --> 01:26:27.920
Well, I'm actually going to be giving it an I

1548
01:26:28.039 --> 01:26:29.960
got really confused with a lot of the things, and

1549
01:26:31.439 --> 01:26:33.760
so there's still some things I'm public gonna have to

1550
01:26:34.039 --> 01:26:37.840
try and go over again when I shoot it once again.

1551
01:26:38.159 --> 01:26:41.640
But yeah, I'm I think for me right now, and

1552
01:26:41.920 --> 01:26:44.359
I might go op if I see it later.

1553
01:26:44.520 --> 01:26:48.119
But yeah, and I'm not going to be nearly as

1554
01:26:48.399 --> 01:26:51.119
as praiseworthy. I do have a very closed mind. I'm

1555
01:26:51.159 --> 01:26:54.079
very closed minded person, you know. I have to mention

1556
01:26:54.199 --> 01:26:56.720
that up front. I'm not very open minded and I

1557
01:26:56.760 --> 01:26:59.079
don't like to see things from other points of view.

1558
01:26:59.680 --> 01:27:03.119
Being close minded as I am, I'm gonna go with

1559
01:27:03.199 --> 01:27:08.079
a three point seven for the first three episodes, unfortunately,

1560
01:27:08.199 --> 01:27:10.199
but I have a feeling it's gonna get better. I

1561
01:27:10.239 --> 01:27:14.359
hope it's gonna get better. So there you have it. Charles,

1562
01:27:14.399 --> 01:27:19.840
what's our overall score from our Truk Sperts, Well, the.

1563
01:27:19.880 --> 01:27:22.840
Trek Spurts aside, they give it a seven point nine.

1564
01:27:24.000 --> 01:27:28.239
Seven point nine, still very very very respectable. All right, guys,

1565
01:27:28.279 --> 01:27:31.279
that wraps up our and Or season two episode one,

1566
01:27:31.359 --> 01:27:33.720
two and three discussion. Next week we'll be doing four,

1567
01:27:33.880 --> 01:27:37.319
five and six, and you know what that means. It's

1568
01:27:37.399 --> 01:28:00.840
time for our star Trek birthdays. That was not a

1569
01:28:00.920 --> 01:28:03.720
Clinton song, all right, Worf says that every week, But

1570
01:28:03.840 --> 01:28:06.880
we love Grumpy Wharf anyways, So This is a part

1571
01:28:06.920 --> 01:28:09.079
of the show where we do our Star Trek Birthdays,

1572
01:28:09.319 --> 01:28:11.960
and we always start off our Star Trek birthdays by

1573
01:28:12.039 --> 01:28:14.680
sadly enough remembering those members of our Star Trek family

1574
01:28:14.760 --> 01:28:17.239
who are no longer with us, and for that we

1575
01:28:17.399 --> 01:28:17.760
turn to.

1576
01:28:17.960 --> 01:28:21.800
Eric, Yeah, Jim. This week we're gonna remember four members

1577
01:28:21.880 --> 01:28:24.279
of our Star Trek community who have gone before us.

1578
01:28:24.399 --> 01:28:28.439
The first is actor Fred Phillips. Fred Well, actually not

1579
01:28:28.479 --> 01:28:32.359
an actor, He's actually a makeup artist. He's the makeup

1580
01:28:32.479 --> 01:28:35.720
artist for the original series and for Star Trek the

1581
01:28:35.760 --> 01:28:39.319
Motion Picture, and is actually the father of fellows Star

1582
01:28:39.439 --> 01:28:43.760
Trek makeup artist Janna Phillips as well. For his work

1583
01:28:43.920 --> 01:28:46.840
on Star Trek the Motion Picture, he received a nineteen

1584
01:28:46.920 --> 01:28:50.119
eighty Saturn Award nomination for Best Makeup from the Academy

1585
01:28:50.159 --> 01:28:53.359
of Science Fiction, Fantasy and Horror Films, which he shared

1586
01:28:53.399 --> 01:28:57.399
with his daughter and Vey Neil. Phillips credits as a

1587
01:28:57.439 --> 01:29:02.199
makeup artist encompass other films such as nineteen thirty nine's

1588
01:29:02.199 --> 01:29:05.000
The Wizard of Oz, nineteen fifty six, Is Around the

1589
01:29:05.039 --> 01:29:09.279
World in Eighty Days, nineteen sixties, House of Usher, Blacula

1590
01:29:09.399 --> 01:29:12.520
from nineteen seventy two, and One Flew over the Cuckoo's

1591
01:29:12.560 --> 01:29:17.359
Nest from nineteen seventy five. So plenty of really amazing

1592
01:29:17.399 --> 01:29:21.720
stuff under this guy's belt. And you know, think about

1593
01:29:21.720 --> 01:29:24.760
Spock's ears, you can think about Fred Phillips. So happy

1594
01:29:24.800 --> 01:29:27.199
birthday to Fred Phillips. We lost him all the way

1595
01:29:27.279 --> 01:29:30.520
back in nineteen ninety three and he was born April

1596
01:29:30.560 --> 01:29:36.680
twenty sixth, nineteen oh eight. Happy birthday, Happy birthday as well.

1597
01:29:36.920 --> 01:29:40.319
To Vic Parrin, he's the actor who played Tharn in

1598
01:29:40.399 --> 01:29:44.800
the original series second season episode Mirror Mirror. He really

1599
01:29:44.880 --> 01:29:48.720
got his career going back in the beginning in the

1600
01:29:49.800 --> 01:29:53.720
radio version of gun Smoke, and I think that's probably

1601
01:29:53.800 --> 01:29:56.079
because of the voice that he had, because over the

1602
01:29:56.159 --> 01:29:58.920
next forty years he was in a bunch of movies

1603
01:29:58.960 --> 01:30:04.399
and television series, then eventually started doing even more radio work.

1604
01:30:05.079 --> 01:30:10.680
He appeared in multiple episodes of television series like Dragnet

1605
01:30:11.399 --> 01:30:14.640
and that sort of thing. But then he earned a

1606
01:30:14.720 --> 01:30:18.319
number of voice only roles, including many on Star Trek

1607
01:30:18.800 --> 01:30:21.359
the original series. Believe it or not, sometimes the voices

1608
01:30:21.399 --> 01:30:26.039
that you hear in the background were just his voice, arguably.

1609
01:30:26.119 --> 01:30:29.000
But I will say that arguably his most famous voice

1610
01:30:29.079 --> 01:30:32.039
only role was that as the control voice on both

1611
01:30:32.119 --> 01:30:35.680
seasons of The Outer Limits, for which he provided both

1612
01:30:35.720 --> 01:30:39.399
the opening and closing commentary for each episode. And if

1613
01:30:39.399 --> 01:30:41.880
you've seen that show before, you know exactly the voice

1614
01:30:41.920 --> 01:30:47.680
we're talking about. So Vic Parrin, pretty cool guy, pretty

1615
01:30:47.720 --> 01:30:52.760
cool voice that I think we all could recognize, you know,

1616
01:30:53.600 --> 01:30:55.680
in a vacuum. We lost him all the way back

1617
01:30:55.720 --> 01:30:59.680
in nineteen eighty nine. He was also born April twenty sixth,

1618
01:31:00.079 --> 01:31:04.239
nineteen sixteen. Happy Birthday, Victor, Happy Birthday as well to

1619
01:31:04.560 --> 01:31:06.880
Charles Seal, the actor from New York, New York, who

1620
01:31:06.920 --> 01:31:10.640
appeared as Ed the Bartender in the TOS third season

1621
01:31:10.720 --> 01:31:14.880
episode Specter of the Gun. He's perhaps best remembered for

1622
01:31:15.000 --> 01:31:19.279
his many appearances as mister Crinky on the television series

1623
01:31:19.359 --> 01:31:23.359
Dennis the Menace. He also made several appearances on Gunsmoke, Bonanza,

1624
01:31:23.560 --> 01:31:26.920
and The Virginian, and made brief appearances in a number

1625
01:31:26.960 --> 01:31:30.319
of classic films, including several that were directed by John

1626
01:31:30.439 --> 01:31:34.239
Ford and starred John Wayne, most notably nineteen sixty two's

1627
01:31:34.880 --> 01:31:38.560
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance. Happy Birthday, Charles Seal,

1628
01:31:39.600 --> 01:31:41.960
and last but not least, this week, our last remembrance

1629
01:31:42.720 --> 01:31:46.560
is actress Madge Sinclair She was a Jamaican born American

1630
01:31:46.680 --> 01:31:50.159
actress who played the captain of the USS Saratoga in

1631
01:31:50.239 --> 01:31:53.680
Star Trek for the Voyage Home. She also played Captain

1632
01:31:53.880 --> 01:31:58.960
Sylvia LaForge in the Next Generation seventh season episode Interface

1633
01:31:59.039 --> 01:32:03.039
and yes, that LaForge. She was Jordie's mom. Although she

1634
01:32:03.159 --> 01:32:06.720
did not receive on credit for the Star Trek four role,

1635
01:32:06.800 --> 01:32:11.039
she was the first female Starfleet captain that we ever

1636
01:32:11.279 --> 01:32:13.399
saw in Star Trek. Believe it or not, a little

1637
01:32:13.399 --> 01:32:15.960
bit of trivia there for you. Outside of Star Trek,

1638
01:32:16.000 --> 01:32:20.159
Sinclair's probably best remembered for her six year, three time

1639
01:32:20.279 --> 01:32:23.960
Emmy Award nominated role as Nurse Eernstein Schup on the

1640
01:32:24.039 --> 01:32:29.319
CBS television drama Trapper John MD. She also voiced Queen

1641
01:32:29.640 --> 01:32:32.640
Sarah be in Disney's The Lion King from nineteen ninety four.

1642
01:32:33.960 --> 01:32:36.960
She of course, I don't know if you know this

1643
01:32:37.119 --> 01:32:39.359
or not, but not only was she Jordie's mom in

1644
01:32:40.359 --> 01:32:44.399
Star Trek, but she actually played LeVar Burton's mother in

1645
01:32:44.640 --> 01:32:47.520
three prior television projects as well.

1646
01:32:48.760 --> 01:32:49.000
Yeah.

1647
01:32:49.720 --> 01:32:54.000
So interestingly enough, Sinclair's character on TG was also the

1648
01:32:54.079 --> 01:32:57.199
wife of Edward M. LaForge, played by Ben Veren, and

1649
01:32:57.359 --> 01:33:00.720
Ben Veren was also on Roots, of course, which is

1650
01:33:00.840 --> 01:33:05.399
where LaVar Burton started his big career other than reading Rainbow.

1651
01:33:05.479 --> 01:33:08.319
So there's like this whole kind of neat thing where

1652
01:33:08.600 --> 01:33:14.680
there's lots of intersections between between these three people. So

1653
01:33:15.039 --> 01:33:18.720
Madge Sinclair, Jordie's mom unfortunately lost at a very young

1654
01:33:18.800 --> 01:33:21.720
age fifty seven years old back in nineteen ninety five.

1655
01:33:22.520 --> 01:33:25.319
Happy birthday to Madge Sinclair. And that does it for

1656
01:33:25.520 --> 01:33:28.359
our remembrances this week. So I will pass the birthday

1657
01:33:28.399 --> 01:33:30.039
candle over to Charles.

1658
01:33:30.840 --> 01:33:35.960
Thank you, Eric. Let's start to Happy birthday to Emily Bergal,

1659
01:33:36.680 --> 01:33:40.720
actress who played Bethany and Star Trek Enterprises third season

1660
01:33:40.840 --> 01:33:51.479
episode North Star. Happy birthday to Becky Wallstrom, actress from Chicago, Illinois,

1661
01:33:51.560 --> 01:33:57.239
who played Visian Go Jenitor in Star Trek Enterprises second

1662
01:33:57.279 --> 01:34:03.000
season episode Conjenitor. Wolst on my list, it's a happy

1663
01:34:03.079 --> 01:34:09.960
birthday Olivia burke Lund portrayed engineer Marla Gilmore in Voyagers

1664
01:34:10.039 --> 01:34:16.039
fifth and sixties in episodes Equinox and Equinox Part two. Paul,

1665
01:34:16.159 --> 01:34:17.159
who's on your list?

1666
01:34:19.399 --> 01:34:21.640
Thank you, Giles. First of all, we'll say hell, Happy

1667
01:34:21.720 --> 01:34:25.159
birthday to Bonnie E. Beecher, a former actress who played

1668
01:34:25.159 --> 01:34:30.039
Sylvia in original series episode Specter of the Gun, kind

1669
01:34:30.079 --> 01:34:32.399
of hanging out in the bar doing all that stuff there,

1670
01:34:32.800 --> 01:34:35.640
hanging out with checkof, checking out, check off, checking in

1671
01:34:35.760 --> 01:34:38.000
with check off, all that good stuff, right, So there

1672
01:34:38.039 --> 01:34:40.920
you go, all the stories she could tell, right, and

1673
01:34:41.520 --> 01:34:44.159
did a lot of good cool TV work. Also the

1674
01:34:44.239 --> 01:34:49.600
wife of sixties countercultural icon Wavy Gravy. And I'll tell you,

1675
01:34:50.399 --> 01:34:52.840
I don't think you're you may never come back from

1676
01:34:52.880 --> 01:34:55.479
that one. I mean, that's that's that's on the bus

1677
01:34:56.079 --> 01:34:59.399
Ken Kesey style there, if you will. So pretty wild,

1678
01:34:59.479 --> 01:35:03.800
Bonnie Bee. What a bunch of stories you must be

1679
01:35:03.880 --> 01:35:06.960
able to tell. But very cool and also part of

1680
01:35:06.960 --> 01:35:12.159
the Star Trek universe. Happy birthday to Jeffrey Binnie Okay,

1681
01:35:12.520 --> 01:35:16.199
who played the character of Compton in the original series

1682
01:35:16.279 --> 01:35:19.520
third season episode Wink of an Eye that we have

1683
01:35:20.960 --> 01:35:26.319
embodying the great tradition of Red Shirt temporary existence. So

1684
01:35:28.520 --> 01:35:31.439
there we are, So happy birthday to you, Jeffrey Binny.

1685
01:35:32.600 --> 01:35:38.720
This one should very recognizable name the fabulous Kirsten Dunst,

1686
01:35:38.960 --> 01:35:43.520
who folks forget was actually before she became enraptured in

1687
01:35:43.640 --> 01:35:48.199
Spider Man's Web and interview with the Vampire. She started

1688
01:35:48.279 --> 01:35:55.119
out playing both Headril and the illusory Castra Troy in

1689
01:35:55.359 --> 01:36:00.520
a seventh season Next Generation episode Dark Page. It out

1690
01:36:00.600 --> 01:36:03.520
early there, before she became the big star that she

1691
01:36:03.760 --> 01:36:07.560
ended up being so very cool And I can't believe

1692
01:36:07.680 --> 01:36:11.119
I've got this person on my list. I am baffled

1693
01:36:11.239 --> 01:36:14.840
that somehow, Eric didn't you know, bend time and space

1694
01:36:16.159 --> 01:36:18.960
or the powers of cut and paste, somehow get this

1695
01:36:19.199 --> 01:36:22.079
luminary on his list. It is astonishing to me because

1696
01:36:22.159 --> 01:36:27.159
I apparently have the honor of saying Happy Birthday to

1697
01:36:27.279 --> 01:36:35.279
the splendidly amazing Kate mulgrew aka Captain Catherine Janeway in

1698
01:36:35.560 --> 01:36:38.560
all the different iterations of Voyager wherever she has been,

1699
01:36:39.359 --> 01:36:44.279
including her superb work on the Netflix series Orange is

1700
01:36:44.359 --> 01:36:50.079
the New Black. She can do it all and amazing performance,

1701
01:36:50.159 --> 01:36:54.600
and of course we've really enjoyed her continuing to embody

1702
01:36:55.239 --> 01:37:00.199
the Janeway character on Star Trek Prodigy, And there's ever know,

1703
01:37:00.239 --> 01:37:03.479
and then your rumblings will we see Jane Way again?

1704
01:37:03.680 --> 01:37:06.079
You know, I think there's a lot of affection for

1705
01:37:06.199 --> 01:37:09.119
the Janeway character and where are we going? Will we

1706
01:37:09.520 --> 01:37:11.960
continue to see her embody that role? I think we

1707
01:37:12.039 --> 01:37:14.439
don't know for sure, but I think there's certainly a

1708
01:37:14.479 --> 01:37:17.279
lot of opportunities for that to happen. But what a

1709
01:37:17.359 --> 01:37:21.039
wonderful character. I'd really like to get as much of

1710
01:37:21.800 --> 01:37:25.840
my friend Eric's thoughts on Kate willgrew as possible, because

1711
01:37:25.840 --> 01:37:28.279
I think you're best suited my friend to be able

1712
01:37:28.359 --> 01:37:31.439
to opine on her this day of her birth.

1713
01:37:31.960 --> 01:37:35.640
Well, I mean, I'll out of all of the people

1714
01:37:35.720 --> 01:37:40.920
I've seen interviewed on television multiple times, she just seems

1715
01:37:41.119 --> 01:37:47.359
the most intelligent, the most confident with herself. She just

1716
01:37:47.560 --> 01:37:50.119
really has a good head on her shoulders. I like

1717
01:37:51.159 --> 01:37:55.359
the fact that she focuses on things like understanding human

1718
01:37:55.479 --> 01:37:59.000
rights and you know, sort of these these values that

1719
01:37:59.159 --> 01:38:02.760
we really like to see in Star Trek. She lives

1720
01:38:02.840 --> 01:38:05.279
those on a daily basis. And if there was a

1721
01:38:05.439 --> 01:38:11.119
person out there in Star Trek that I would want

1722
01:38:11.119 --> 01:38:15.239
to meet, it would probably be her. I've I haven't

1723
01:38:15.279 --> 01:38:17.960
met too many people because I don't usually pay the

1724
01:38:18.039 --> 01:38:20.079
money to go meet them at the at the conventions.

1725
01:38:20.079 --> 01:38:21.600
But I'll tell you what, if she ever shows up

1726
01:38:21.600 --> 01:38:24.720
at a convention in Portland, I will absolutely be in

1727
01:38:24.800 --> 01:38:26.760
line and I will pay whatever I need to pay

1728
01:38:27.119 --> 01:38:28.960
to be able to talk to her for a few minutes.

1729
01:38:29.560 --> 01:38:33.680
I just feel like she would make me smarter by

1730
01:38:33.920 --> 01:38:37.800
just letting me talk to her. So yeah, I think

1731
01:38:37.880 --> 01:38:42.199
she's She's really something else. Kate Mulgar is really a special,

1732
01:38:42.319 --> 01:38:47.119
special talent and person from what I can tell on screen, amazing.

1733
01:38:47.279 --> 01:38:51.239
So yeah, come back. Orange Is the New Black is

1734
01:38:51.439 --> 01:38:55.640
an absolutely phenomenal show if you missed it. Her character

1735
01:38:55.960 --> 01:38:59.560
a Rehtter, a Russian who runs the kitchen, Yeah, is

1736
01:38:59.680 --> 01:39:05.239
out standing, absolutely outstanding. Check it out. You won't be disappointed.

1737
01:39:07.800 --> 01:39:08.159
For sure.

1738
01:39:08.319 --> 01:39:10.640
I think you're at bat Jim. You got the next birthday.

1739
01:39:10.760 --> 01:39:13.800
I only have one, only have one, and she's not

1740
01:39:13.880 --> 01:39:16.800
a kling on butt. She did kick Freddy Krueger's ass,

1741
01:39:16.840 --> 01:39:19.359
which is why I grabbed her. We want to say

1742
01:39:19.399 --> 01:39:23.680
happy birthday to Lisa will Cox. She's the actress who

1743
01:39:23.800 --> 01:39:27.119
portrayed Utah in The Star Trek The Next Generation third

1744
01:39:27.239 --> 01:39:32.319
season episode The Vengeance Factor. Hailing from Columbia, Missouri, but

1745
01:39:32.439 --> 01:39:36.279
she's best known for playing Alice Johnson and a Nightmare

1746
01:39:36.359 --> 01:39:39.359
on Elm Street Part four, The dream Master and a

1747
01:39:39.479 --> 01:39:42.800
Nightmare on Elm Street Part five, The dream Child. That's right,

1748
01:39:43.239 --> 01:39:47.960
she kills Freddy Krueger well once well twice, but he

1749
01:39:48.079 --> 01:39:51.439
comes back. But yeah, she gets to kick Freddy Krueger's

1750
01:39:51.479 --> 01:39:56.279
ass and she's awesome. So happy birthday to Lisa will Cox.

1751
01:39:56.800 --> 01:40:00.000
And that, my friends, wraps up our Star Trek Birthday

1752
01:40:00.520 --> 01:40:04.279
for this week. We'll have more next week. And now

1753
01:40:04.359 --> 01:40:06.600
it's time for our Star Trek News.

1754
01:40:07.640 --> 01:40:11.239
Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on secure channel.

1755
01:40:12.199 --> 01:40:15.640
Incoming transmission enter authorization.

1756
01:40:15.239 --> 01:40:17.760
Code, command codes verified.

1757
01:40:18.760 --> 01:40:21.920
Define parameters of program level nine.

1758
01:40:22.079 --> 01:40:29.520
Authorization required, specifying parameters. Transfer updata is complete. A black alert,

1759
01:40:30.760 --> 01:40:31.479
A blank alert.

1760
01:40:31.800 --> 01:40:34.359
All right, Eric, this is our favorite segment and you

1761
01:40:34.479 --> 01:40:35.640
get to start it off, buddy.

1762
01:40:37.319 --> 01:40:37.520
Yeah.

1763
01:40:37.560 --> 01:40:39.239
I mean most of the time, I this is a

1764
01:40:39.279 --> 01:40:41.159
pretty light segment and we kind of like to make

1765
01:40:41.199 --> 01:40:44.600
fun of some of the fun, cute, dumb things that

1766
01:40:44.720 --> 01:40:49.199
William Shatner says. This week's a little bit different. I'm

1767
01:40:49.640 --> 01:40:52.359
I'm this is just really it's almost hard for me

1768
01:40:52.479 --> 01:40:54.199
to read this, but I'm going to read it. And

1769
01:40:54.439 --> 01:40:57.199
it's all for all everybody out there who loves William Shatner.

1770
01:40:57.279 --> 01:41:00.840
You deserve to know the things that come out of

1771
01:41:00.880 --> 01:41:06.159
his mouth. So William Shatner decries presentism, rewriting of history

1772
01:41:06.279 --> 01:41:11.079
in media and literature. Famed Star Trek actor William Shatner

1773
01:41:11.159 --> 01:41:14.760
decried the erasure of history and rewriting of literature in

1774
01:41:14.840 --> 01:41:19.399
a fiery post. Quote, It's called presentism, and it was

1775
01:41:19.600 --> 01:41:23.000
used to wreak havoc on history several years ago, when

1776
01:41:23.079 --> 01:41:27.119
statues were torn down, books were banned, and things renamed

1777
01:41:27.159 --> 01:41:30.520
to prove how progressive the world had begun, Shatner said

1778
01:41:30.560 --> 01:41:34.399
on X, calling to mind the days following George Floyd's

1779
01:41:34.439 --> 01:41:37.399
death in twenty twenty, where cities across the country were

1780
01:41:37.439 --> 01:41:41.239
burned and statues were toppled in protest. Shatner also claimed

1781
01:41:41.279 --> 01:41:46.039
that Paramount Plus had quote intentionally garbed his famed intro

1782
01:41:46.279 --> 01:41:49.279
line to boldly go where no man has gone before,

1783
01:41:50.039 --> 01:41:53.640
calling the change presentism at its finest hour. They of

1784
01:41:53.720 --> 01:41:57.119
course changed it to where no one has gone before. However,

1785
01:41:57.239 --> 01:42:02.239
the phrase remains intact on the streaming platform. Shatner later said, quote,

1786
01:42:02.439 --> 01:42:05.039
they must have restored it. The monologue used to be

1787
01:42:05.239 --> 01:42:09.560
imperceptible to the background music. Shatner also shared his frustration

1788
01:42:09.880 --> 01:42:15.439
over Wokis forcing changes on Laura Ingalls Wilder's Little House

1789
01:42:15.479 --> 01:42:18.880
on the Prairie series quote, Obviously you were not around

1790
01:42:19.000 --> 01:42:22.840
when the Wokies coerced the Library Association to change the

1791
01:42:22.960 --> 01:42:26.199
name of the Laura Ingles Wilder Literary Award to a

1792
01:42:26.319 --> 01:42:30.279
generic name because of presentism and their objections on how

1793
01:42:30.399 --> 01:42:33.960
Native Americans were depicted in the late eighteen hundreds. There's

1794
01:42:33.960 --> 01:42:36.399
apparently a line in one of the books where Laura

1795
01:42:36.520 --> 01:42:40.199
wrote of a character who said there were no people

1796
01:42:40.279 --> 01:42:44.199
who lived on the prairie, only Indians, and there were

1797
01:42:44.279 --> 01:42:48.560
only one or two other lines, which, with presentism, are

1798
01:42:48.680 --> 01:42:53.680
culturally insensitive but reflected an opinion of eighteen sixties America.

1799
01:42:53.800 --> 01:42:54.239
He added.

1800
01:42:55.119 --> 01:42:58.960
In twenty eighteen, the Association of Library Service to Children's

1801
01:42:59.760 --> 01:43:03.920
a l SC board voted unanimously to rename the Laura

1802
01:43:04.119 --> 01:43:08.840
Ingalls Wilder as the Children's Literary Legacy Award. The decision

1803
01:43:08.960 --> 01:43:12.199
was made in consideration of the fact that Wilder's legacy,

1804
01:43:12.680 --> 01:43:15.800
as represented by her body of work, includes expressions of

1805
01:43:15.880 --> 01:43:21.439
stereotypical attitudes inconsistent with alsc's core values of inclusiveness, integrity,

1806
01:43:21.560 --> 01:43:25.239
and respect, as well as responsiveness. The a l SC

1807
01:43:25.520 --> 01:43:31.279
said in a statement following the vote, so so yeah,

1808
01:43:31.399 --> 01:43:38.359
there you go, your captain, Well, captain, my captain feels

1809
01:43:38.560 --> 01:43:42.319
that many, many people in the world are Wokies. I'm

1810
01:43:42.359 --> 01:43:44.039
not even really sure what to say about this.

1811
01:43:47.960 --> 01:43:48.920
Shaved down Wookie.

1812
01:43:52.359 --> 01:43:55.479
Yeah, he's just kind of shooting off at the mid.

1813
01:43:55.319 --> 01:43:59.800
I don't know. I don't rebll ever hearing his monologue

1814
01:43:59.800 --> 01:44:02.159
on Star Trek being garbled before. Does anybody know what

1815
01:44:02.239 --> 01:44:03.000
he's talking about?

1816
01:44:03.960 --> 01:44:05.960
Well, at first I thought he was talking about the

1817
01:44:06.079 --> 01:44:08.840
change from No Man to No One that the next

1818
01:44:08.920 --> 01:44:12.600
generation made. I don't ever remember it being changed. I've

1819
01:44:12.680 --> 01:44:15.600
never seen an original series episode where it was garbled.

1820
01:44:16.119 --> 01:44:16.840
Yeah, me, neither.

1821
01:44:18.000 --> 01:44:18.319
I don't know.

1822
01:44:18.800 --> 01:44:20.039
I don't know where he came up with that.

1823
01:44:20.079 --> 01:44:21.039
I'm not sure what he's talking about.

1824
01:44:21.119 --> 01:44:23.439
Yeah, I don't know. He he came back from space

1825
01:44:23.560 --> 01:44:26.159
and just I don't know, went off the deep end.

1826
01:44:26.279 --> 01:44:32.079
And the thing is he complains about Paramount. They were

1827
01:44:32.880 --> 01:44:38.119
upgraded to h High Death before they went to Paramount.

1828
01:44:38.800 --> 01:44:41.199
I think that was back in the Amazon era that

1829
01:44:41.359 --> 01:44:47.399
they hit they were updated to High Death. So if

1830
01:44:47.399 --> 01:44:49.399
they'd done any changes, that would have been done at

1831
01:44:49.479 --> 01:44:51.720
that time, not when Paramount got them.

1832
01:44:54.079 --> 01:44:57.279
All right, Well, this next story I found just for

1833
01:44:57.439 --> 01:45:00.439
Paul because we talked about this last week when we

1834
01:45:00.520 --> 01:45:03.760
were talking about the Enterprise, the new enterprise toy that

1835
01:45:03.920 --> 01:45:05.560
was going to be coming out, and Paul mentioned this

1836
01:45:05.720 --> 01:45:08.920
particular topic, and lo and behold the story popped up

1837
01:45:08.960 --> 01:45:11.680
on my feed and I thought, well, this is definitely

1838
01:45:11.720 --> 01:45:14.079
worth talking about. So Paul, this one's for you. Take

1839
01:45:14.119 --> 01:45:16.000
it away, all right, man?

1840
01:45:16.079 --> 01:45:17.560
Before I dive in, I just want to make sure

1841
01:45:17.760 --> 01:45:19.880
that we get it out there, Jim, nobody thinks you

1842
01:45:20.039 --> 01:45:22.800
are closed minded, brother, Nobody on their show does. We

1843
01:45:22.960 --> 01:45:25.520
just think you like things that you like and you

1844
01:45:25.600 --> 01:45:29.600
should always be able to feel confident that that's cool.

1845
01:45:29.960 --> 01:45:31.560
All right, I like to start Trekking five.

1846
01:45:32.399 --> 01:45:36.439
Yeah, nobody thinks nobody nobody thinks you're closed minded. Man.

1847
01:45:36.479 --> 01:45:38.399
It's just we don't all like the same things. And

1848
01:45:38.600 --> 01:45:42.159
that's okay, that is okay, that is absolutely fine. You know,

1849
01:45:42.920 --> 01:45:46.680
closed minded would be this guy William Shatner. All right,

1850
01:45:46.880 --> 01:45:49.760
that's that's that's a closed minded individual. It was like,

1851
01:45:49.960 --> 01:45:53.119
you know, yeah, So just much love to you, brother,

1852
01:45:53.319 --> 01:45:55.720
make sure that just you know, don't take things the

1853
01:45:55.760 --> 01:45:58.000
wrong way, and just as a favor, please.

1854
01:45:58.000 --> 01:45:59.159
We'll have we'll have some fun.

1855
01:45:59.319 --> 01:46:03.560
We'll definitely have all right, all right, cool, So, yeah,

1856
01:46:04.159 --> 01:46:07.000
I do have a small toy problem. I do sometimes

1857
01:46:07.079 --> 01:46:11.159
still collect toys. I do, and and I think that

1858
01:46:11.880 --> 01:46:14.720
my wife may be happier because probably in this year,

1859
01:46:14.760 --> 01:46:16.960
I'm going to be spending a lot less money on toys, right,

1860
01:46:17.039 --> 01:46:18.760
because they're gonna be a lot harder to get because

1861
01:46:21.399 --> 01:46:25.119
and this is an example of that, because very few toys,

1862
01:46:25.239 --> 01:46:27.960
very few collectibles as such, are produced in the United States.

1863
01:46:28.399 --> 01:46:32.279
All Right, They're just not They're produced overseas. Right, it's

1864
01:46:32.319 --> 01:46:35.279
a globe last time I checked, all right, am I?

1865
01:46:35.399 --> 01:46:35.520
Right?

1866
01:46:35.760 --> 01:46:37.800
Fellas is a spherical object.

1867
01:46:38.479 --> 01:46:40.600
It might be like more like hot dog shaped or something.

1868
01:46:40.680 --> 01:46:42.560
Yeah, okay, you know it depends on which end of

1869
01:46:42.600 --> 01:46:44.399
the the prism you're.

1870
01:46:44.319 --> 01:46:46.319
At, right, it's going really super fast.

1871
01:46:46.600 --> 01:46:49.800
Oh yeah, we'll be careful where the bun hits you.

1872
01:46:50.000 --> 01:46:50.119
Right.

1873
01:46:50.279 --> 01:46:55.359
But so anyhow, we talked about this toy company XO

1874
01:46:55.520 --> 01:46:59.000
six before on the show, right, and this is the

1875
01:46:59.039 --> 01:47:03.079
company that you brought some was it the Sero figure man?

1876
01:47:03.359 --> 01:47:04.359
Is that all right? Yeah?

1877
01:47:04.479 --> 01:47:06.680
He brought over usually he's usually in the background.

1878
01:47:06.960 --> 01:47:09.520
He brought over to the crib. He was just amazing

1879
01:47:10.159 --> 01:47:12.520
level of detail and accessories on these figures. I mean,

1880
01:47:12.600 --> 01:47:15.720
this is you know, this toys and then this craftsmanship, right,

1881
01:47:15.880 --> 01:47:20.399
and XO six. This particular toy company is that craftsman ship,

1882
01:47:20.479 --> 01:47:23.920
I mean really amazing, right, but this Star Trek figure

1883
01:47:23.960 --> 01:47:30.640
maker XO six has suspended direct shipments to the United States.

1884
01:47:31.199 --> 01:47:33.600
They've announced their suspending delivery of their high end Star

1885
01:47:33.600 --> 01:47:37.319
Trek toy figures to the United States citing recent tariff

1886
01:47:37.399 --> 01:47:42.079
changes by the American government. Effective May second, which is tomorrow,

1887
01:47:43.760 --> 01:47:46.479
the US will enforce a new tax rule for packages

1888
01:47:46.600 --> 01:47:52.359
from China or Hong Kong, charging one hundred and twenty

1889
01:47:52.520 --> 01:47:56.640
percent of the declared value or one hundred dollars, whichever

1890
01:47:56.760 --> 01:47:59.920
is higher, increasing to two hundred dollars on June. Firm

1891
01:48:00.439 --> 01:48:04.159
The company said in a say well, SF Express and

1892
01:48:04.560 --> 01:48:08.960
China posts belief fees will apply after delivery. Implementation details

1893
01:48:09.000 --> 01:48:13.000
remain uncertain. EXO six is suspended shipments to the United

1894
01:48:13.039 --> 01:48:15.039
States addresses as are able twenty eth them will not

1895
01:48:15.199 --> 01:48:20.279
resume until courier companies and US customs clarify procedures ensuring

1896
01:48:20.359 --> 01:48:26.560
it is reasonably reasonable to proceed. The decision impacts all

1897
01:48:26.680 --> 01:48:29.560
upcoming releases, including new figures from Star Trek Voyagers, Started

1898
01:48:29.640 --> 01:48:35.800
Discovery and STARTUK, Exchanging Worlds and more. If US customer

1899
01:48:35.880 --> 01:48:38.920
places that are ordered directly with EXO six because you

1900
01:48:38.960 --> 01:48:41.840
can order directly from them, that order will be held

1901
01:48:41.960 --> 01:48:45.720
until more favorable tariff conditions are in place their upcoming

1902
01:48:45.800 --> 01:48:49.199
releases outside the United States. For those of you fans,

1903
01:48:49.479 --> 01:48:51.520
like many of our fans who listen to us and

1904
01:48:53.159 --> 01:48:57.399
collect outside of the United States, here's the current release

1905
01:48:57.760 --> 01:49:00.920
plan and go check out their stuff online. If you've

1906
01:49:01.039 --> 01:49:05.119
not explored check at least that that's not inhibited yet.

1907
01:49:05.640 --> 01:49:08.560
But you can go check out these figures on XO

1908
01:49:08.720 --> 01:49:13.479
six Big like a lot of people shop at like

1909
01:49:13.520 --> 01:49:15.479
Big Bad Toy Store. The last time I checked, they

1910
01:49:15.520 --> 01:49:18.840
had a lot of you know, placeholder pages for EXO

1911
01:49:18.920 --> 01:49:21.880
six figures. But check this out. April twenty twenty five,

1912
01:49:22.600 --> 01:49:27.239
Next Generation Beverly Crusher, second quarter of this year, original

1913
01:49:27.279 --> 01:49:32.520
series The Cage Spock. Wow cool this one? Okay? Undiscovered

1914
01:49:32.560 --> 01:49:35.960
country General Chang right, Christopher Plummer? How cool would that be?

1915
01:49:36.239 --> 01:49:40.319
Right in the original Klingon And then for Q three,

1916
01:49:40.720 --> 01:49:43.680
so let's see Jennifer Marchi bom May June July August September.

1917
01:49:43.760 --> 01:49:46.800
That would be summer right July August September months. For

1918
01:49:47.000 --> 01:49:49.479
those folks outside of the United States, you're gonna be

1919
01:49:49.479 --> 01:49:54.680
able to get undiscovered country Captain Sulu, Captain Sulu, Stranger Worlds,

1920
01:49:54.760 --> 01:49:57.520
Brad Boemler and Stranger Worlds back at Mariner.

1921
01:49:57.680 --> 01:49:58.199
So cool.

1922
01:49:58.399 --> 01:50:03.079
Moving into the one six figure scale, twelve inch figures

1923
01:50:03.199 --> 01:50:06.239
of Boemler and Mariner. Pretty cool. So a lot of

1924
01:50:06.279 --> 01:50:08.880
cool stuff. Now. The estimates for those orders are placed

1925
01:50:08.920 --> 01:50:11.800
directly with us XO six. You should contact your vendor

1926
01:50:11.920 --> 01:50:15.159
for estimated delivery dates. For orders placed within the company's

1927
01:50:15.239 --> 01:50:18.000
retail partners, you might have a bit of a way

1928
01:50:18.680 --> 01:50:21.000
these figures available for pre order or immediate purchase for

1929
01:50:21.119 --> 01:50:25.039
territories that are not in the United States because all

1930
01:50:25.079 --> 01:50:27.840
shipments to the US are suspended for now. So it's

1931
01:50:27.880 --> 01:50:31.600
a sticky wicket Star Trek and collectible fans, and I'm

1932
01:50:31.680 --> 01:50:33.279
just seeing this more and more. I mean, we've all

1933
01:50:33.319 --> 01:50:38.079
seen the cost of things increase a lot of times.

1934
01:50:38.159 --> 01:50:41.800
If it's for figures that folks who know are going

1935
01:50:41.840 --> 01:50:44.119
to be popular, folks like myself tend to pre order,

1936
01:50:44.279 --> 01:50:46.159
right It's like it may not come out until you know,

1937
01:50:46.319 --> 01:50:52.399
July or August or fall even right, very desirable overseas

1938
01:50:52.439 --> 01:50:55.560
figures like from s H Figure Arts and Mafax. Right,

1939
01:50:55.680 --> 01:50:58.520
this stuff doesn't really come out for months in advance.

1940
01:50:58.560 --> 01:51:01.079
You got a pre order, especially popular, they'll sell out,

1941
01:51:01.359 --> 01:51:03.720
so you got a pre order, but we don't even

1942
01:51:03.800 --> 01:51:06.479
know now if those preorders will ever be fulfilled at

1943
01:51:06.600 --> 01:51:08.359
least and Paul.

1944
01:51:08.319 --> 01:51:10.880
Just yesterday or the day before, you might have gotten

1945
01:51:10.880 --> 01:51:13.880
the same email Master Replicas is in the same position.

1946
01:51:14.159 --> 01:51:16.239
So they stop shipping to the US now too.

1947
01:51:16.680 --> 01:51:18.960
That's too bad, because they really I mean the new figure,

1948
01:51:19.000 --> 01:51:22.359
they just did a tendy They just really yield today

1949
01:51:22.439 --> 01:51:24.479
that you could see a really nice tendy figure in

1950
01:51:24.520 --> 01:51:27.399
that five inch scale that they've been trumpeting that you know,

1951
01:51:27.520 --> 01:51:30.000
we were lucky enough to have their man on the

1952
01:51:30.079 --> 01:51:34.079
show here a little while back, right, really really great

1953
01:51:34.239 --> 01:51:38.960
and it's a shame, right, So hopefully cooler heads will

1954
01:51:39.399 --> 01:51:41.960
prevail or are well placed Asteroid will take care of

1955
01:51:42.039 --> 01:51:44.520
all of our problems. I don't know, but I've been

1956
01:51:45.000 --> 01:51:48.359
cheering for that event to happen for a while. But

1957
01:51:48.479 --> 01:51:51.239
it's just the nonsense, right, It's just there's a lot

1958
01:51:51.319 --> 01:51:55.359
of nonsense happening, and it's very difficult to be a

1959
01:51:55.399 --> 01:52:02.039
science fiction fan and to be on this show and

1960
01:52:02.159 --> 01:52:04.079
to not get political. From time to time. I think

1961
01:52:04.119 --> 01:52:06.560
you almost really have to. I don't know how you

1962
01:52:06.600 --> 01:52:08.680
cannot be Frankly, I think that's one of the reasons

1963
01:52:08.680 --> 01:52:10.199
I like and Or so much is because it's just

1964
01:52:10.319 --> 01:52:13.760
it's really tackling fascism head on. So it's just it's

1965
01:52:14.319 --> 01:52:18.199
speaking to me right now in a But yeah, I

1966
01:52:18.279 --> 01:52:20.079
mean a lot of times in America, right we don't

1967
01:52:20.079 --> 01:52:22.760
really listen to you until it until it starts costing

1968
01:52:22.800 --> 01:52:25.520
you money, and then all of a sudden people wake

1969
01:52:25.600 --> 01:52:29.159
up and realize what's happening, right, and it's I just

1970
01:52:29.279 --> 01:52:31.479
can't imagine how we can continue to go down this

1971
01:52:31.640 --> 01:52:35.520
road with this these policies. But I don't know, that's me.

1972
01:52:35.680 --> 01:52:37.520
What do you all think, Well, it's just it's not

1973
01:52:37.720 --> 01:52:41.640
just toys. I just paid off my jeep and I

1974
01:52:41.720 --> 01:52:43.960
went up to the dealership. I was going to trade

1975
01:52:44.000 --> 01:52:47.319
it in and buy a new one. Unfortunately, a lot

1976
01:52:47.359 --> 01:52:49.960
of the Jeeps are manufactured in Canada, and Canada is

1977
01:52:50.039 --> 01:52:54.680
now our mortal enemy, and so in order to order

1978
01:52:54.720 --> 01:52:56.640
a new Jeep, I have to pay a twelve thousand

1979
01:52:56.680 --> 01:53:02.359
dollars tariff and well dollars, and I was like, holy,

1980
01:53:03.079 --> 01:53:08.600
forget that, forget that noise. So yeah, I didn't I

1981
01:53:08.680 --> 01:53:10.439
didn't trade my jeep in and buy a new and

1982
01:53:10.520 --> 01:53:12.960
I'll keep the one I have. So it's not just

1983
01:53:13.399 --> 01:53:15.600
it's just not on toys, it's what do you got?

1984
01:53:15.640 --> 01:53:16.600
What kind of jeep do you ride?

1985
01:53:16.960 --> 01:53:20.000
The one that I have is a Jeep Compass and

1986
01:53:20.319 --> 01:53:22.920
that's fully loaded with a with a sun roof and everything,

1987
01:53:23.119 --> 01:53:25.720
and I'll keep it. I'll keep it. I'm not I'm

1988
01:53:25.720 --> 01:53:28.319
not paying twelve thousand dollars. I'm hoping that you know,

1989
01:53:28.479 --> 01:53:32.520
this crazy tear of crap goes away or or something

1990
01:53:32.920 --> 01:53:38.720
might happen. Whatever an asteroid, you know, Independence Day, it

1991
01:53:38.800 --> 01:53:41.199
gets react, you know, happens for real and the Aliens

1992
01:53:41.199 --> 01:53:43.119
show up and blow up the White House or something.

1993
01:53:43.199 --> 01:53:47.520
I don't know, but yeah, I'm not spending twelve thousand dollars.

1994
01:53:47.920 --> 01:53:50.520
No terror for crazy. That's just it's ridiculous.

1995
01:53:50.560 --> 01:53:52.720
You know, the same thing with two hundred dollars for

1996
01:53:52.800 --> 01:53:57.159
an action figure. It's crazy. It's absolutely crazy. And Canada

1997
01:53:57.239 --> 01:53:59.479
is not our enemies? Do you hear that? GM, Chris

1998
01:54:00.439 --> 01:54:02.079
if you're listening, Uh.

1999
01:54:02.359 --> 01:54:06.119
I think everybody. I'm a I love Canada and I

2000
01:54:06.239 --> 01:54:09.800
really do. It's a big fan and I don't want

2001
01:54:09.800 --> 01:54:12.479
to I don't want to assimilate them, borg like I

2002
01:54:12.600 --> 01:54:15.600
just want to I just want to hang. I just

2003
01:54:15.680 --> 01:54:16.119
want to hang.

2004
01:54:16.279 --> 01:54:18.840
Yeah. So yeah, it's not just it's not just the

2005
01:54:18.880 --> 01:54:22.000
Star Trek toys. It's it's across the board everything.

2006
01:54:22.159 --> 01:54:25.439
So it's gonna start hitting Walmart pretty soon here, and

2007
01:54:25.520 --> 01:54:26.920
that'll wake a lot of people up.

2008
01:54:27.079 --> 01:54:29.720
It is. It's gonna it's gonna trickle down really really soon,

2009
01:54:29.920 --> 01:54:34.359
and I think people are gonna wake up getting political.

2010
01:54:34.399 --> 01:54:37.680
A lot of people are like, well, you know, these

2011
01:54:37.720 --> 01:54:39.319
are the things he said he was gonna do that

2012
01:54:39.399 --> 01:54:42.239
we voted for. And that's that's easy to say until

2013
01:54:42.279 --> 01:54:44.760
you go to Walmart to buy something and it's double

2014
01:54:44.840 --> 01:54:47.079
the price that it was yesterday. And then what do

2015
01:54:47.119 --> 01:54:48.960
you say to these people, this is what you voted for,

2016
01:54:49.359 --> 01:54:52.279
so you should should I get off the pot, dudes?

2017
01:54:52.920 --> 01:54:57.600
So you know, the way I look at it is,

2018
01:54:57.760 --> 01:55:00.960
I don't really with glue dooming glue on anybody really,

2019
01:55:01.119 --> 01:55:03.359
but well, I mean, the only way I could really

2020
01:55:03.399 --> 01:55:05.640
shoot about the turf going down is just have those

2021
01:55:05.680 --> 01:55:09.039
companies come here. I suppose then that would solve the turf, right,

2022
01:55:09.640 --> 01:55:13.279
So until that happened, yeah, I don't know, Probably gonna

2023
01:55:13.279 --> 01:55:14.920
have to be this way for a while, I would imagine.

2024
01:55:15.439 --> 01:55:19.119
So I was watching thing, I.

2025
01:55:19.159 --> 01:55:22.279
Was watching what happened, But yeah, I was watching a

2026
01:55:22.359 --> 01:55:25.880
show on Nintendo switch to which is not going to

2027
01:55:25.920 --> 01:55:28.119
be shipped to the United States due to this very

2028
01:55:28.159 --> 01:55:31.359
same problem. And the guy they were talking to said,

2029
01:55:31.399 --> 01:55:33.199
even if they were to build a factory here to

2030
01:55:33.279 --> 01:55:35.920
build the Nintendo Switch here in the United States, it

2031
01:55:36.079 --> 01:55:38.640
still would not solve the problem because all the parts

2032
01:55:38.720 --> 01:55:41.640
for those are still have to be imported from overseas,

2033
01:55:41.760 --> 01:55:44.640
so the tariffs would still be in effect. Even if

2034
01:55:44.680 --> 01:55:47.560
the factory were built here and the Nintendo Switch were

2035
01:55:47.560 --> 01:55:50.880
being built by American workers, the price would still be

2036
01:55:50.960 --> 01:55:54.239
astronomical because the parts all have to be imported. So

2037
01:55:54.840 --> 01:55:57.880
you know that that problem wouldn't go away even if

2038
01:55:57.920 --> 01:56:00.000
the stuff was being built here in the United States.

2039
01:56:00.640 --> 01:56:06.560
So we're a global economy, and well, yeah I was.

2040
01:56:06.680 --> 01:56:08.439
I was looking it up. I don't have the list

2041
01:56:08.520 --> 01:56:11.800
in front of me, but I was looking curious about

2042
01:56:12.039 --> 01:56:18.760
how much Legos out there. Legos built. Legos got suppliers

2043
01:56:18.800 --> 01:56:23.479
in seven different countries. Yes, they've got one in Virginia,

2044
01:56:23.680 --> 01:56:28.760
but there are six other major manufacturers in different countries

2045
01:56:28.840 --> 01:56:33.000
producing Legos. So it's like, oh yeah, we got one

2046
01:56:33.119 --> 01:56:36.079
built here, but they're built other countries. And yet oh yeah,

2047
01:56:36.159 --> 01:56:38.600
now we're going to stack all these prices up because

2048
01:56:39.079 --> 01:56:42.479
all the parts have to come from other countries, and

2049
01:56:42.560 --> 01:56:46.079
it's going to cause more collectibles to go skyrocketing.

2050
01:56:47.359 --> 01:56:51.039
And everything else, and that's going to have a negative

2051
01:56:51.159 --> 01:56:53.079
impact on the economy as well.

2052
01:56:54.520 --> 01:56:57.239
Well. I'm very curious too. I don't know how this works,

2053
01:56:57.239 --> 01:57:00.840
because you know, tariffs is different than other types of business, right,

2054
01:57:00.880 --> 01:57:02.479
And I don't pretend to be smart enough to know,

2055
01:57:02.560 --> 01:57:05.720
but I mean all of our current Star Trek shows

2056
01:57:05.720 --> 01:57:07.880
are all filmed in Canada, right. I mean, I wonder

2057
01:57:07.960 --> 01:57:10.600
what this change in our relationship between countries is going

2058
01:57:10.640 --> 01:57:13.640
to have to do there? Will they be they will something?

2059
01:57:14.199 --> 01:57:16.439
You know, usually they give these American companies like a

2060
01:57:16.560 --> 01:57:19.840
tax break, right, which is why it's so inconducive to

2061
01:57:20.119 --> 01:57:22.159
go shoot up there. They get all kinds of provisions.

2062
01:57:22.159 --> 01:57:25.479
I mean, in one of those relationships will get you know,

2063
01:57:25.520 --> 01:57:28.720
where the enmity towards what's going on will become stronger

2064
01:57:28.800 --> 01:57:32.640
than the desire to retain them filming. Right. You've got

2065
01:57:32.760 --> 01:57:35.000
to wonder if at some point it's going to impact.

2066
01:57:35.239 --> 01:57:38.079
I think I've heard stories that it could affect the

2067
01:57:38.199 --> 01:57:44.000
summer summer movies because sure, you can release from the US,

2068
01:57:44.920 --> 01:57:47.439
but then if you've got tariff to release the movie

2069
01:57:47.479 --> 01:57:50.960
in other countries, people may not decide to watch it

2070
01:57:51.000 --> 01:57:53.840
in those other countries or it's too expensive to get

2071
01:57:53.880 --> 01:57:57.000
them movies, and they will run those those summer movies,

2072
01:57:57.760 --> 01:58:01.560
and therefore these would use in the United States are

2073
01:58:01.640 --> 01:58:04.079
not going to make as much money as they do

2074
01:58:04.520 --> 01:58:06.520
because they want to make They make a little bit

2075
01:58:06.520 --> 01:58:09.920
in the United States. It's international that's a big money

2076
01:58:10.000 --> 01:58:11.279
maker for a lot of films.

2077
01:58:14.279 --> 01:58:17.159
Who thought that we'd be talking about tariffs on this podcast?

2078
01:58:17.239 --> 01:58:18.279
Did you ever imagine that?

2079
01:58:18.479 --> 01:58:23.000
Eric, No, because even Ronald Reagan thought they were a

2080
01:58:23.039 --> 01:58:23.560
bad idea.

2081
01:58:25.840 --> 01:58:28.239
Mister trickle Down himself, Mister.

2082
01:58:28.119 --> 01:58:29.880
Trickle Down himself thought they were stupid.

2083
01:58:30.000 --> 01:58:33.359
So yeah, there was a time for it, but it's

2084
01:58:33.479 --> 01:58:41.000
not now, so wow. So anyways, so moving on unless

2085
01:58:41.439 --> 01:58:43.880
anybody has anything they want to bring up about the

2086
01:58:43.920 --> 01:58:47.960
tariffs and now it's affecting collectibles or our lives every day.

2087
01:58:48.279 --> 01:58:50.039
But at least the price of eggs has come down

2088
01:58:50.079 --> 01:58:55.840
a little bit, right, That's a good thing, I suppose.

2089
01:58:57.199 --> 01:58:58.039
Coming from Canada.

2090
01:58:58.079 --> 01:59:01.000
Yeah, they might be. I was gonna make egg salad

2091
01:59:01.079 --> 01:59:03.159
until I looked at the price of egg and I said, no, no,

2092
01:59:03.279 --> 01:59:06.960
E like salad for you dude. All right, Charles, well

2093
01:59:07.000 --> 01:59:08.760
you got the next story here, buddy.

2094
01:59:09.720 --> 01:59:10.239
All right.

2095
01:59:11.600 --> 01:59:15.359
Robert Piccardo Tea's major changes to character in Star Trek

2096
01:59:15.479 --> 01:59:20.039
Starfleet Academy the Doctors returning to Star Trek. But he

2097
01:59:20.079 --> 01:59:22.880
won't be the same man he was in the days

2098
01:59:22.960 --> 01:59:26.800
as Star Trek Voyager or even Star Trek Prodigy. That

2099
01:59:27.000 --> 01:59:31.359
is a word from Robert Paccardo himself. Ricardo and McGrew

2100
01:59:32.239 --> 01:59:36.800
were on were the closing panel for Trek Talks four

2101
01:59:36.920 --> 01:59:41.159
this year, the annual telethon benefiting the Hollywood Food Collation.

2102
01:59:42.199 --> 01:59:45.319
Asked by McGrew about the difference between Star Trek Fleet

2103
01:59:45.880 --> 01:59:50.319
Star Trek Starfleet Academy version of the Doctor and the

2104
01:59:50.439 --> 01:59:53.640
earlier version of the Doctor, Ricardo answered, I would say

2105
01:59:53.680 --> 01:59:59.319
the Doctor is as we remember him, but deeper why

2106
01:59:59.399 --> 02:00:03.039
he was. But more so, if that makes sense, he

2107
02:00:03.279 --> 02:00:07.000
certainly has his sense of humor, but there's a depth

2108
02:00:07.279 --> 02:00:11.920
above him now from the incredible sense of immortality we

2109
02:00:12.079 --> 02:00:15.039
think we would agree to be it would be a

2110
02:00:15.119 --> 02:00:19.640
blessing and a curse by immortality. Per Cardiff's referencing just

2111
02:00:19.760 --> 02:00:23.840
how unbelievable old his character is. He's scarfully Academy. The

2112
02:00:24.000 --> 02:00:27.720
show is set in the thirty second century, long after

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02:00:28.399 --> 02:00:32.199
shows like Startric Voyager, and by the time we see

2114
02:00:32.359 --> 02:00:36.399
him again, our favorite emergency medical hologround will be nine

2115
02:00:36.479 --> 02:00:40.439
hundred years old. So what does that mean? What does

2116
02:00:40.479 --> 02:00:44.560
that do to a consciousness? Our card used it's seeing

2117
02:00:44.880 --> 02:00:48.479
thirty six generations of organic colleagues grow old and die

2118
02:00:48.640 --> 02:00:52.880
around you. It does not necessarily predispose you to making

2119
02:00:53.640 --> 02:00:58.359
a close personal relationship. Let's put it in that way.

2120
02:00:58.960 --> 02:01:00.920
So there's a lot of stuff have to think about.

2121
02:01:01.079 --> 02:01:06.279
That's a little mind bending, and that's what's wonderful about

2122
02:01:06.319 --> 02:01:09.960
science fiction to begin with. Serf ld Academy is expected

2123
02:01:10.000 --> 02:01:13.319
to hear either late this year early twenty twenty six.

2124
02:01:14.000 --> 02:01:17.159
No firm release date has been made available to the public.

2125
02:01:21.039 --> 02:01:21.760
To see what they do.

2126
02:01:22.560 --> 02:01:24.119
It should be anessing to see what they do with

2127
02:01:24.199 --> 02:01:29.640
the doctor surviving over nine hundred years and what's happening.

2128
02:01:29.680 --> 02:01:33.159
Hope he doesn't start time. I hope he doesn't start

2129
02:01:33.199 --> 02:01:39.439
talking backwards like Yoda when he got nine hundred you know, yeah,

2130
02:01:39.720 --> 02:01:42.439
walking around with a cane, grow some green pointed ears.

2131
02:01:44.000 --> 02:01:50.680
You never know. So, yeah, there was another thing speaking,

2132
02:01:50.960 --> 02:01:53.600
you know about these tariffs and affecting Star Trek. I

2133
02:01:53.680 --> 02:02:00.119
read an article online and I'm not sure about the

2134
02:02:00.239 --> 02:02:03.520
legivity of it, but basically, you guys know about the

2135
02:02:03.600 --> 02:02:06.239
Paramount and sky Dance merger, right, you've heard what we've

2136
02:02:06.279 --> 02:02:12.399
all heard about that Apparently part of the merger has

2137
02:02:12.479 --> 02:02:18.279
to be approved, and there's certain certain people that feel

2138
02:02:18.279 --> 02:02:21.479
that Star Trek is too woke and that it needs

2139
02:02:21.560 --> 02:02:26.760
to be changed. And Paramount Pictures may be listening to

2140
02:02:26.840 --> 02:02:32.560
these people and have ordered reshoots of Strange New Worlds

2141
02:02:32.640 --> 02:02:34.640
to make it less woke. And I hope that that's

2142
02:02:34.680 --> 02:02:38.159
not true. I hope that's just a bunch of bs,

2143
02:02:38.399 --> 02:02:43.439
because that would be disappointing if that were true. Wow, man,

2144
02:02:44.079 --> 02:02:48.680
you know, I know that Paramount, you know, was suing

2145
02:02:51.920 --> 02:02:54.640
mister Trump and they settled for that. They settled the

2146
02:02:54.680 --> 02:02:56.600
case out of court and they paid them twenty six

2147
02:02:56.720 --> 02:02:59.399
million dollars for no reason at all. Was that a

2148
02:02:59.520 --> 02:03:03.720
bride for the merger? Could have been I don't know,

2149
02:03:03.880 --> 02:03:05.680
but I hope it's not true. We'll find out when

2150
02:03:05.720 --> 02:03:09.239
we see Strange New Worlds if it was meddled with

2151
02:03:10.399 --> 02:03:11.039
at any rate.

2152
02:03:11.680 --> 02:03:14.880
All right, guys, I'm sure the actress will let us

2153
02:03:15.000 --> 02:03:16.560
know if they tweaked it.

2154
02:03:17.560 --> 02:03:18.960
If they had to have reshoes.

2155
02:03:19.079 --> 02:03:19.319
Yesh.

2156
02:03:20.880 --> 02:03:23.800
So this next story is a story that I've been

2157
02:03:24.079 --> 02:03:26.960
keeping in my back pocket for just a time, Like

2158
02:03:27.159 --> 02:03:31.000
just now. We've talked about on the podcast about the novels.

2159
02:03:31.199 --> 02:03:34.760
Are the novels considered cannon because they're written from the

2160
02:03:34.880 --> 02:03:38.000
movies which are considered to be cannon? Are they cannon?

2161
02:03:38.319 --> 02:03:40.319
Because a lot of times these novels are written from

2162
02:03:40.359 --> 02:03:44.159
the original filming scripts before their film, and then the

2163
02:03:44.279 --> 02:03:46.760
movies trimmed and edited and cut, and a lot of

2164
02:03:46.800 --> 02:03:48.960
the things that were in the original script don't end

2165
02:03:49.039 --> 02:03:51.680
up on the screen, but they're still in the novel

2166
02:03:51.800 --> 02:03:54.239
because the novel comes out prior to the movie. So

2167
02:03:54.520 --> 02:03:59.079
is it still considered cannon? You can, you know, mull

2168
02:03:59.159 --> 02:04:01.319
that over in your head and decide how you want.

2169
02:04:02.039 --> 02:04:04.680
But I always find it interesting to read the novels

2170
02:04:05.439 --> 02:04:07.920
when I see the movies, particularly in the case of

2171
02:04:08.760 --> 02:04:12.239
the best Star Trek movie ever, Star Trek five. There's

2172
02:04:12.239 --> 02:04:14.640
a lot of stuff in Star Trek five about Cybach,

2173
02:04:14.800 --> 02:04:16.319
and there's a lot of things in that book that

2174
02:04:16.560 --> 02:04:19.640
didn't make the film that I scratch my head and

2175
02:04:19.720 --> 02:04:23.399
say why. So, when Star Trek the Motion Picture had

2176
02:04:23.439 --> 02:04:27.199
its anniversary, I found an article about that very same thing,

2177
02:04:27.319 --> 02:04:31.399
and it's called Delve Deeper into roden Berry's Untamed imagination

2178
02:04:31.880 --> 02:04:36.199
with Star Trek the Motion Picture. Novel the Motion Picture

2179
02:04:36.319 --> 02:04:38.960
is the only novel Roddenberry, the creator of Star Trek,

2180
02:04:39.079 --> 02:04:42.199
ever wrote. While the movie and book naturally share the

2181
02:04:42.279 --> 02:04:46.640
same general narrative, there are key differences that, while not groundbreaking,

2182
02:04:47.239 --> 02:04:50.880
are quite fascinating for those who enjoy such details. The

2183
02:04:51.000 --> 02:04:54.079
most striking element of the novelization is how thoroughly it

2184
02:04:54.239 --> 02:04:58.960
exposes roden Berry's characteristic traits. Yes, he was a brilliant

2185
02:04:59.000 --> 02:05:02.760
sci fi mind and he may. And the way he

2186
02:05:02.840 --> 02:05:06.319
composes the narrative and all is associated with high concept

2187
02:05:06.520 --> 02:05:10.119
sci fi elements makes this book a thought provoking read.

2188
02:05:10.520 --> 02:05:14.640
Numerous parts of this book aren't presented in the movie,

2189
02:05:15.119 --> 02:05:17.880
and here's a couple of them that the article cites.

2190
02:05:18.279 --> 02:05:20.279
The first thing that they cite as being a difference

2191
02:05:20.359 --> 02:05:23.560
is Kirk Bergrant's journey in this book while on vacation

2192
02:05:23.760 --> 02:05:27.359
in Egypt, where Starfleet contacts him about the intruder iron

2193
02:05:27.479 --> 02:05:32.520
emergency senceiver implant built into his head. That is true

2194
02:05:32.560 --> 02:05:35.199
when you read the book. He's on a pyramid and

2195
02:05:35.880 --> 02:05:39.720
the image that we see on the screen is beamed

2196
02:05:39.760 --> 02:05:43.640
directly into his head, which is really cool and weird

2197
02:05:43.720 --> 02:05:47.920
at the same time. And that's how he actually sees

2198
02:05:48.760 --> 02:05:51.439
what we see the Klingon's getting destroyed. It's beam bright

2199
02:05:51.520 --> 02:05:55.039
to his head and he heads right back to Starfleet

2200
02:05:55.119 --> 02:05:58.560
headquarters to find out what's going on, which is we

2201
02:05:58.680 --> 02:06:01.880
don't get to actually see in the movie. The next

2202
02:06:01.960 --> 02:06:04.680
thing they mentioned is Kirk is briefed about the intruder

2203
02:06:05.079 --> 02:06:08.920
via an old flame vice, Aarmiral Laurie Sina, who was

2204
02:06:09.000 --> 02:06:12.079
someone Kirk lived with and loved while adjusting to light

2205
02:06:12.319 --> 02:06:15.800
after his five year mission. Roddenberry is sure to reference

2206
02:06:15.920 --> 02:06:20.640
the physical reaction Kirk has upon seeing his old love

2207
02:06:21.239 --> 02:06:23.960
later in the story. Laurie is the other person besides

2208
02:06:24.039 --> 02:06:27.600
commanders Sonak who turns into hot goo after running a

2209
02:06:27.680 --> 02:06:32.600
foul and the Enterprise's malfunctioning transporter. That's right in the book.

2210
02:06:33.000 --> 02:06:36.159
That is his lover, his girlfriend that melts on the

2211
02:06:36.239 --> 02:06:41.439
transporter pad. And like they said, roden Berry is quite

2212
02:06:42.159 --> 02:06:46.359
descriptive about what is going on in Kirk's mind, and

2213
02:06:46.479 --> 02:06:50.119
with those tight bodysuits, it's pretty evident what he's thinking,

2214
02:06:50.319 --> 02:06:55.319
and the book explains it rather graphically. Another difference is

2215
02:06:55.319 --> 02:06:59.319
while attending his culinar, Serenoy Spot can hear Kirk's thoughts,

2216
02:06:59.399 --> 02:07:02.199
including how the Aram wishes Spock was with him to

2217
02:07:02.279 --> 02:07:05.760
deal with the news of the intruder. Interestingly, in the

2218
02:07:05.840 --> 02:07:09.760
same scene, Roddenberry describes his colinar would have hurt Spock

2219
02:07:09.840 --> 02:07:13.399
of all thoughts of his formal Starship crew, including his

2220
02:07:13.560 --> 02:07:19.199
former captain, someone he considered to be a foul loah

2221
02:07:19.560 --> 02:07:26.640
though awf a lot, yeah, awful lot, a Vulcan word

2222
02:07:26.680 --> 02:07:30.760
which means brother or lover. Rodenberry asserts Kirk and Spock

2223
02:07:31.039 --> 02:07:35.359
we're more than former friends, but that they were rumors

2224
02:07:35.479 --> 02:07:39.000
nothing more and nothing more ever happened between the two friends.

2225
02:07:39.039 --> 02:07:42.039
So there's a you know, there's a relationship that's developed

2226
02:07:42.039 --> 02:07:44.680
by Gene Roddenberry in this book with Kirk and Spock

2227
02:07:44.800 --> 02:07:48.079
that doesn't make the movie either, so check that out

2228
02:07:48.079 --> 02:07:51.199
if you're interested. Another difference is after arriving on the

2229
02:07:51.359 --> 02:07:54.439
Enterprise and fixing the engine, Spocks it joins to the

2230
02:07:54.600 --> 02:07:59.399
space of the ship reserved for private times such as meditation, reading,

2231
02:08:00.119 --> 02:08:03.880
or other erotic activities, the last of which Spock's acute

2232
02:08:03.880 --> 02:08:10.039
hearing captures in distinct detail. The Enterprise intercepts Veger at

2233
02:08:10.119 --> 02:08:14.000
warp and makes a nimble little maneuver that always keeps

2234
02:08:14.039 --> 02:08:17.800
the Starfleet vessel pointed ahead on with the cloud. The

2235
02:08:17.880 --> 02:08:20.720
approach between the Enterprise and Veger in the movie did

2236
02:08:20.800 --> 02:08:24.680
not quite happen at warp speed. And another difference is

2237
02:08:24.760 --> 02:08:27.840
as Decker interacts with the Aliah Probe, he tries to

2238
02:08:27.920 --> 02:08:31.520
make love with it to better understand it between Vegre

2239
02:08:31.640 --> 02:08:35.399
and the Carbon units aboard the Enterprise. When this happens

2240
02:08:35.439 --> 02:08:38.840
in the book, Vger immediately shuts down the Alier Probe

2241
02:08:38.840 --> 02:08:43.720
because the Aliah is being attacked by Decker because Vgre

2242
02:08:43.760 --> 02:08:48.520
doesn't understand the act of making love. So those are

2243
02:08:48.560 --> 02:08:51.439
some of the differences. There's a lot more differences in

2244
02:08:51.520 --> 02:08:54.760
the book than in the movie. The story is told

2245
02:08:54.800 --> 02:08:56.800
in the novelization of the first Star Trek movie is

2246
02:08:56.840 --> 02:09:00.840
still worthy reading decades after its release. Classic scyb I

2247
02:09:01.760 --> 02:09:05.880
recognizably from the time of Clark, Asimov and other writers

2248
02:09:06.079 --> 02:09:08.600
which cemented the genre in The Hearts and minds of

2249
02:09:08.760 --> 02:09:10.680
the world. And if you want to get to know,

2250
02:09:11.199 --> 02:09:13.960
you know, what Gene Roddenberry had in mind for Star

2251
02:09:14.039 --> 02:09:16.880
Trek and what you thought about, you need to read

2252
02:09:16.920 --> 02:09:19.760
this Star Trek the Motion Picture because it's, like they said,

2253
02:09:19.760 --> 02:09:23.039
it's the only book that was actually written by roden Berry,

2254
02:09:23.239 --> 02:09:25.640
and it's a it's an interesting read. It's a very

2255
02:09:25.720 --> 02:09:28.680
interesting read if you have not read it, But you

2256
02:09:28.720 --> 02:09:32.640
don't get to hear the awesome Jerry Goldsmith's soundtrack. Of course,

2257
02:09:32.760 --> 02:09:34.239
when I'm reading it and I get to the kling

2258
02:09:34.359 --> 02:09:37.039
On part, I hear that in my head anyways, and

2259
02:09:37.319 --> 02:09:39.960
I hear the Veijers sound effects and everything as I

2260
02:09:40.079 --> 02:09:42.840
read the book, because I think the Jerry Goldsmith's soundtrack

2261
02:09:42.920 --> 02:09:45.800
for that movie is absolutely phenomenal. I think it's one

2262
02:09:45.840 --> 02:09:49.159
of the best. So that my friends, that wraps everything up.

2263
02:09:49.159 --> 02:09:51.359
Does anybody have anything they want to bring up or

2264
02:09:51.560 --> 02:09:54.880
talk about before we wrap everything up for tonight?

2265
02:09:56.920 --> 02:10:04.359
Actually I did. I was going to mention, hey, audiobook fans,

2266
02:10:04.399 --> 02:10:08.479
Derek and I would just chat about this earlier Star Treks.

2267
02:10:09.720 --> 02:10:15.720
Star Trek Extranging Worlds Towards the Night just got released

2268
02:10:16.760 --> 02:10:18.640
and the two of us are already starting to do

2269
02:10:18.720 --> 02:10:22.359
the audiobook for the one, so might be one to

2270
02:10:22.439 --> 02:10:24.560
pick up because we're probably going to talk about it

2271
02:10:24.640 --> 02:10:28.800
one of these sometimes this summer. I hope sounds interesting

2272
02:10:28.960 --> 02:10:33.479
so far, so don't do any spoilers, but definitely some

2273
02:10:33.680 --> 02:10:37.560
interesting discussions about some of the crew members.

2274
02:10:39.600 --> 02:10:42.399
Strange New World. Is that the book by James Swallows?

2275
02:10:44.640 --> 02:10:49.319
I think, yes, yes, yeah. All right, guys, So next

2276
02:10:49.359 --> 02:10:51.720
week we're going to be talking about and or episode four,

2277
02:10:51.880 --> 02:10:54.439
five and six, so you don't want to miss that.

2278
02:10:54.560 --> 02:10:57.199
Head over to our Facebook page, Trek Talking and Beyond.

2279
02:10:57.239 --> 02:10:59.600
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2280
02:10:59.640 --> 02:11:01.720
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2281
02:11:02.119 --> 02:11:04.119
You can also head over to Trek Talking dot com

2282
02:11:04.199 --> 02:11:06.479
and there's all kinds of great stuff there. Leave us

2283
02:11:06.520 --> 02:11:09.079
some note on the Little Green talkback Mike so that

2284
02:11:09.199 --> 02:11:11.880
you can win this autograph picture that I have here

2285
02:11:11.920 --> 02:11:14.479
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2286
02:11:14.800 --> 02:11:18.279
Preservation Collection up here in Saratoga, and I'm your most

2287
02:11:18.399 --> 02:11:21.039
excellent host, Uncle Jim saying everybody please stay safe and

2288
02:11:21.119 --> 02:11:23.560
be good to each other. Remember Star Trek fans are

2289
02:11:23.720 --> 02:11:26.680
the best fans to live long and prosper. Thanks a

2290
02:11:26.720 --> 02:11:29.319
lot for joining us tonight, Charles trek Talking. We really

2291
02:11:29.359 --> 02:11:29.920
appreciate it.

2292
02:11:31.079 --> 02:11:34.680
Oh, I've always missed. Didn't get in much of the conversation,

2293
02:11:34.880 --> 02:11:36.319
but still enjoyed the conversation.

2294
02:11:36.560 --> 02:11:40.600
The chat always fun on trek Talking. And thank you

2295
02:11:40.680 --> 02:11:42.439
so much to Paul for hanging out and trek talking

2296
02:11:42.479 --> 02:11:42.720
with us.

2297
02:11:42.720 --> 02:11:45.680
Thank you so much, Paul, Thanks a lot of fun tonight.

2298
02:11:46.079 --> 02:11:47.920
And thank you so much to Eric for hanging out

2299
02:11:47.960 --> 02:11:48.520
with us as well.

2300
02:11:48.600 --> 02:11:49.399
Thank you, Eric.

2301
02:11:51.039 --> 02:11:52.800
And thank you so much to David for not only

2302
02:11:52.840 --> 02:11:56.000
hanging out with us, for making these awesome slide shows possible.

2303
02:11:56.079 --> 02:11:57.119
Thank you so much, David.

2304
02:11:58.119 --> 02:12:00.960
You're welcome. It's really fun. I really would end or listen.

2305
02:12:00.960 --> 02:12:03.439
I'm hoping the moor can go from that, so we'll see.

2306
02:12:03.560 --> 02:12:07.159
We will see next week and as everybody else hailing

2307
02:12:07.279 --> 02:12:12.119
frequencies are closed. Good night, everybody, live long and prosper

2308
02:12:15.960 --> 02:12:22.640
all patients. I'm ready for departure, sir. Some problem right,

2309
02:12:23.319 --> 02:12:26.960
I'm just hoping this isn't the usual way omissions will go, sir. Oh, no,

2310
02:12:27.159 --> 02:12:34.920
number what actually most will be much more interesting. Let's

2311
02:12:34.960 --> 02:12:35.960
see what's out there.

2312
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Engage