Feb. 21, 2025

Episode 623- Jon Simpson "Sarek" in Star Trek V: The Final Frontier - Interview

Episode 623- Jon Simpson "Sarek" in Star Trek V: The Final Frontier - Interview

Uncle Jim and his team of Trek experts engage in a lively conversation with Jonathan Simpson, who played young Sarek in Star Trek V: The Final Frontier. The discussion covers Jonathan's journey as a Star Trek fan, his experiences on set with William...

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Uncle Jim and his team of Trek experts engage in a lively conversation with Jonathan Simpson, who played young Sarek in Star Trek V: The Final Frontier. The discussion covers Jonathan's journey as a Star Trek fan, his experiences on set with William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy, and his transition from acting to photography. The episode also delves into Jonathan's teaching career, insights for aspiring actors, and reflections on the enduring legacy of Star Trek. In this engaging conversation, Jonathan Simpson shares his experiences from working on Star Trek V, his aspirations in theater, and the differences between acting for television and film. He reflects on the joy of connecting with fans at conventions and the impact of Star Trek on their lives. The discussion also touches on his comedic influences and hopes for future roles, particularly in Shakespearean plays.They also remember notable figures from the Star Trek community during the birthday segment and analyze the financial success of the franchise. The conversation wraps up with insights into the future of Starfleet Academy and its significance in the Star Trek universe. Let's see what's out there...ENGAGE

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Now talk about the series.

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Now we talk about the series.

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Comes the Harmless.

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Slowly down, Well, good evening, Trekky's and Trekkers around the globe.

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It it's February twentieth, Thursday Night, twenty twenty five. I'm

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your most excellent host, uncle Jim.

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How you doing tonight?

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Welcome to episode six hundred and twenty three of Trek Talking.

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And we've got a lot lot of fun plan for

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you guys tonight. And before we go too far, though,

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I would like to introduce to you my awesome trek experts.

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And we'll start off with Eric. Eric is I'm in Portland.

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How you doing tonight?

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Eric?

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Doing pretty good? Jim, it's been a good week so far,

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and as we always like to say, it is Friday's Eve,

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so you know what's not to like about that?

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True? True?

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And also from Portland, we have a very own toy guy, Paul.

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How you doing tonight, Paul?

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Hey, Uncle Jim. I'm doing okay, you know, as good

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as I can be during the late nineteen thirties, and

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right Doc, I'm fine, trying to stay warm, great, trying

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to stay ahead of the pans aer tanked right.

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Yo.

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And also great Portland, we have our very own David,

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my miracle worker himself. How you doing tonight, David?

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Pretty good? Pretty good? I am very kited about talking

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with Jonathan.

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Yes, yeah, you and me, both, you and me both,

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and we're gonna swing out to Las Vegas and we're

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gonna say hello to Charles. How you doing tonight, Charles?

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I'm doing good, enjoying our spring like weather and.

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Looked thing to continue my conversation with Jonathan, and that

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you will.

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You guys can head over to truck talkin dot com.

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Next week we're gonna have David Orange, who played the

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sleepy kling On in Star Trek six. If you head

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over to treuk talkin dot com in the bottom right

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hand corner. There's a little blue talkback Mike. All you

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need to do is click on that mic, record your question,

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and we will play it on the show next week

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and get an answer for you. All right, let's see

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on tonight's show, we're gonna do some fans shout outs.

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We're going to go around the globe and see where

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everybody's from. We've got some pole questions. We're gonna do

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our Star Trek birthdays, and we're going to talk about

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the new Starfleet Academy. We've got some news to share

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on that. But before we go too far, we have

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a very special guest with us. Very special to me because,

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as you know, Star Trek five is my favorite Star

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Trek movie. So any chance that I get an opportunity

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to talk to someone from Star Trek five, I do.

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And tonight is a special night for me because we

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have Jonathan Simpson with us and he's ready to talk

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with us. He played Young Sarah in the Flashback Scenes

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and Star Trek five The Final Frontier. He's appeared in

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the films A Stranger to Love, Film Club, The Pure Snappers,

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and Joelene, and he's a hearing on stage in Los

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Angeles and Phoenix and worked on motion pictures, television shows,

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and a multitude of commercials. He currently focuses on a

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sense of lighting and composition through his photography. Welcome to

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the podcast, Jonathan.

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Hey there guys, thank you so much for having me

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on here. It looks like a lot of fun.

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It's gonna be fun. I love talking Star Trek five.

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Before we get going, though, I do want to have

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David roll a little clip. This is you in Star

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Trek five with Cybok and Spock doing the flashback scene

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in the cave. Let it roll, David.

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Now we're taken the first step.

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The other steps we'll take together. Each man's pain is unique.

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I had no pain.

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I know you better than that. Do you spark? Don't?

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It's all right, I kept proceed.

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I believe we are witnessing my birth?

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Oh oh it's true. H m hm.

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Sarah, your son.

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So human?

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Spat all?

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Right?

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There you have it. So we talked a little bit

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before the show, but now we're doing it for real.

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So let's start off with you know, were you a

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Star Trek fan before you winded the role? And start

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for five?

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Absolutely? I wouldn't consider myself a Treky at that point.

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But you know, were there really Trekies back in nineteen

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sixty eight, Not sure. But when I was a kid,

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you know, I was probably about eight or nine years

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old when I first saw Star Trek and I really

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liked those outfits that the women wore on the show,

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and it was I was an immediate fan of Star

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Trek Universe. Yes, absolutely. And then later on, when I

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grew up a little bit more, I you know, in

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high school and college, they started, you know, rerunning it

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every afternoon, the original series, and so then I caught

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them all again. And then I was a big Next

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Gen fan when that came out too. I love Captain Piccard.

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I just think he's the momb.

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He's the man. So I was to mentioned this a

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little bit earlier when I took my wife to go

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see Star Trek five in nineteen eighty nine. We're sitting

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in the theater watching it and my wife says, to me,

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you didn't tell me Patrick Swayze was in this movie,

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And I said, I don't think that was Patrick Swayze.

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So do you ever get accused of looking like Patrick swayzey?

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I absolutely do. I think it was about twenty sixteen

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or so when I did the Vegas Convention and I

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was sitting there at my table and some guy just

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stopped dead in his tracks and stared at me and

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stared at my name, and stared at me and stared

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at my name, and then he said yes, and he

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walked over and he said, I have had a bet

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with my wife for years now. She is totally convinced

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that Pat that's Patrick swayzey with another fake, made up name.

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And he's like, no, it's Jonathan Simpson. He lives in

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Phoenix now. He's a photographer and he teaches it acting

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at ASU and all that stuff, and and she's like nop.

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She refused to believe it, even with evidence. There are

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some people like that nowadays, you know. And and so

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what what he did. He's like, please, can I take

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a picture with you? And I'm like, of course. So

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he and I took a picture together, and he took

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that back home where hopefully that photograph could serve as

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evidence that I do, in fact exist and that you're

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not Patrick Swayze's TWI not Patrick Swayze. Although his wife

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was pretty hot, you gottad she was indeed, and he

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was a very talented individual. And I and and I'm

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sorry that he left us way too early because he

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was he was so multi multi talented. That man very good,

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very much.

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So. Yeah, Now, when Star Trek five premiered, did you

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get a chance to go on the red carpet for

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the grand opening and see the movie with all the

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other actors. No.

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In nineteen eighty nine, the cast and crew all got

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invited to a cast and a cruise screening ahead of time,

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and so I went there, you know, I think it

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was on Wilshire somewhere. We went to a theater on Wilshire,

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and you know, we got in and we watched the

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movie and it was very exciting, of course. And then

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after that we you know, we we just like had

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a buffet and drinks and stuff afterwards. But what was

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so funny was that that during the movie, when they

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went to see God, an actor that I had done

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a play with like a year before popped up as God.

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And it was George Murdoch, who everyone also knew from

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as Detective Scanlon on Barney Miller. And he's an amazing actor.

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He was just so so talented, and the fact that

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he did the play with us. You know, the rest

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of us were all, you know, twenty two to twenty

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three whatever. And the fact that he committed all that

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time and actually did this play with us, it was

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called The Moon Children, was so exciting to work with

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someone of that caliber of talent. And then I had

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no idea of course he was in the movie, because

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you know, we shot on completely different days and as

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I'm like, wait, that's George. And then and then of

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course the credits were also very exciting because they were

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only like eight of us in the movie, and we

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each got our own card that went by, and I

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was like, you know, because I was expecting to be

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in some tiny little scroll or something, and so that

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was also kind of cool. But then I got to

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catch up with George afterwards, so that was fun.

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Now what kind of director was William Shatner? What was

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it like working with him as a director?

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You know, it was a very stressful day for everybody,

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including mister Shatner, because we had two babies on this

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on on ready to go as you know, baby Spock,

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and the rules and regulations of how and when you

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can use the babies and the time limits that you

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have are extremely tight. I think you only had, like,

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you know, maybe as soon as the baby was on set,

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you had maybe fifteen or twenty minutes with that baby,

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and then you had to swap it out for the twin.

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So yeah, so so it was a very stressful day.

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And as you as you watched that scene, there's a

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lot of camera movement, and anytime there is camera movement,

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there is you know, it's like it's like it's like

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orchestrating choreography. Everyone has their move and when they go

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here and when they go there, and so so we

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rehearsed it many, many, many times with a baby. So

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some of the pictures that you might see out there

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in the universe with me and a plastic doll, I've

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seen a couple of those out there. So we rehearsed, rehearse,

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rehearse camera movement and all that, and many many times

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got it right with the baby doll and then boomed

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the baby, flew in, make up on the baby, get

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the baby ready, and then you know, we shot, and

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I think we did I don't know, I want to

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say four to five takes until the time he felt

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right to mister Shatner, and and he was just super

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cool with me, very supportive, you know. I mean I

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was excited when I when I got the audition. You know,

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the first audition was with the casting director who was

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super nice, and you know, I just went in and

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you know, said my two words. You know, it's not Shakespeare,

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but you know what I mean, and and he's like great,

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and then he sent me home and I just, you know,

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like like you do with all acting auditions, you just say,

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you know, forget about it, it will never happen, you know,

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go on with your life. And then you know, I

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got the phone call, hey, you know, can you meet

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William Shatner and Harve Bennett tomorrow at Paramount? And I'm like, well,

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let me see here, okay. So uh yeah, So you know,

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I went there and of course I had that I

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had my two words ready to go, and I waited

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and then finally, uh, Harve Bennett's office swung open and

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and mister Shatner came out and said, John, come on in.

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And I went in there and they both just kind

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of stared at me like this, you know, and I'm like,

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did you want to hear the line or you know,

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and they're like, oh, that's okay. John, okay, thank you

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for coming in, John, thank you, thank you, and uh,

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you know, and so then I you know, said, oh,

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okay again, you know you erase the memory banks, you say,

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it would have been so great to get that, but

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you know, probably not going to happen. And then I

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got the call that you know, it happened the day

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before Thanksgiving that year, and uh so that that's how

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came about pretty much.

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That they didn't mention that you look like Patrick Swayze

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at the at then.

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No, they didn't. Patrick could probably already turned it down.

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It was just you know, he's he's he had a

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three word minimum and this only had two.

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So yeah, I'm sure. So would you talk a little

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bit about working with Leonard Nimoy at that point?

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Well, my, my, my exposure to mister Leonard was very

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brief because you know, we did all the rehearsals. As

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I recall, I can't remember whether he was in on

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the rehearsals at the beginning or he just kind of

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they added him in at the last minute. So, you know,

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again it's a very stressful time as money, money, as time,

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the babies and all that. So it wasn't like I

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was really like hanging out on the set with him

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and could like, you know, talk to him about all

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the things I would want to talk to Leonard and

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them way about, but instead it was just like a

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very brief you know. He kind of walked up there

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to get in his place, and then I just kind

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of turned and I said, you know, mister Nemo, I'm

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so pleased to meet you. And his hand was like,

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you know, this big it was. He's just a very

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big man. And I shook his hand and he said,

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nice to meet you. And that's about really all the

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time we had and everything else was just boom boom

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boom boom boom.

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We had to move, you know, Yeah, I bet, I bet.

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So how did you prepare for your two lines as Sarah?

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Did you? Did you talk to Mark Leonard for some pointers?

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I would love to have no, you know, I remember,

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I mean this is nineteen eighty nine. You know, we've

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got vc RS kind of, but you know, who knows

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when anything was on. I don't think I had cable

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TV at the time, so you know, I had no

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way of accessing like we have today of you know,

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episodes and going through a lot of Spock War. But

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what I did have was bookstores, and so I basically

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went to all the bookstores and I just went through

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and anything that was Spock related, you know, those little

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dime store novella things, you know, I bought like two

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or three of those, and I read those from cover

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to cover, just to give me a little bit more

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background about about, you know, the Spock Vulcan universe. So

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that that that's pretty much was what I did for research.

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And did they give you any pointers on how to

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place seric or did they did they leave the two

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lines completely up to you?

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Two words?

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I'm sorry the two words.

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No, you know, I.

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I don't recall mister Shatner ever really giving me a

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line reading or saying that's not quite it. How about this?

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I think he really you know, I mean, I knew

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I had to bring a emotional non emotionalness.

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To it, so to speak.

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So you know, that's that's what I tried to work on,

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was you know, having all that going on deep under

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the surface. But of course there's no way that any

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of that can be seen or detected on the surface.

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So hopefully that's what I achieved. But other than that

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that that, you know, I was really left my own

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court as far as the that part goes, yeah, delivery.

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Yes, well, we talked a little bit about before the

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show that you actually ran into John Abbot, hea Star

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Trek actor. Would you talk a little bit about that?

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So, yeah, you should all look up John Abbott on

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IMDb and he did play in one of the Star

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Trek episodes, possibly too. And he was a British actor.

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And you know, I was a you know, unemployed actor

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at the time, working temp jobs here and there, doing whatever.

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And one of my friends at the theater company that

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we were at, Friends and Artists Theater Company on Vermont

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and between Franklin and Hollywood Boulevard, he was like, hey,

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you know, I just I did He was a really

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good carpenter, my friend Clay, and he's like, you know,

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I just did this job this guy up in Beechwood

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Canyon and I got to go by and pick up

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a check. But you know, I really feel better if

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you went with me. And I was like, you know,

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I didn't say anything, but I was like, what is

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he scared of this guy or what's the problem. So like, oh, yeah, sure,

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I got I'll go with you. So Clay and I

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went to John Abbott's place in the Hollywood Hills and

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you walk in and his whole place was like, uh,

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like it looks like someone from Disney had been there

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and like built all the shelves and all the decorations

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and all the paintings, and I mean it was just crazy,

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all the work that he'd had done inside this place.

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And you know, so we thought we were just gonna

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run in and grab the check and run out. But

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then of course John's like, oh, no, no, you boys,

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you must sit down.

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I make you some tea.

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And he went and made us some tea, and he

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poured us some tea, and then he said, can I

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can I Can I share with you boys some of

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my limericks. And were like, well, yeah, that's cool. Yeah,

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let's hear it. And so he opened up his you know, pages,

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and then he just started saying these limericks, and uh,

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mister Abbott was was a very gay individual and a

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little little little he was a little light in the loafers,

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I guess, they'd say, and there's nothing wrong with that.

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Those are some of my you know, best friends from

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theater and everything. Are absolutely it's part of my family, really,

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And so I didn't have a problem with that, but

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I think Clay didn't want to be alone for some reason,

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because Clay was an attractive young man, you know. And

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so we sat down and then John started on these limericks,

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and then what we realized very soon is that they

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were all very gay centric, and they always had like

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something very like oh my at the end of the limerick.

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You know, so the rest of the limbrick would almost

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seem pretty good, but then you get to those last

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two lines you go, oh my god, you know so,

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which is why he wanted just to say them to us,

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I think. But I wish I would have known all

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of his credits at the time, we didn't have the Internet.

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If I'd known all the credits that John habbitt Abbot

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had in all the amazing actors like Kerry Grant and

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everybody else that he had worked with, I would have

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like I could have, like, you know, bent his ear

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for a couple hours just asking Hi about working with

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Ingrik Bergman and all these other amazing actors. He's really

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got a lot of credit, so look him up. He

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was quite a talent.

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Well, Jonathan, I've had a lot of fun talking to

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you about Star Trek five and I'm sure my other

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truck spurts are chopping at the bit to ask you

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some questions. So I guess I will turn the microphone

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over to Paul.

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Hey, Jonathan, how you doing good?

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How are you?

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I'm good man. It's pleasure to meet you in this

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virtual crazy environment that we have here.

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So very cool.

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He just blew my mind. Man. I don't know if

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all the other trexperts Jonathan Abbott, But guys, you remember

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original series, right, Aaron of Mercy. He's like the head

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organian guy, right, you know, I mean he's basically you

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know Aleborn, if I remember correctly, right, And so now

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I'm hearing the limericks spouting Alborn. I'm like, I'm never

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gonna be able to watch that scene. It's quite the same. Hey,

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Johnath Then I think I'm.

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And look and look up his credits. I mean, that's

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unbelievable the stuff he's done, because he's Claude Rains and

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all the forties and fifties and it's just super old.

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School, you know, I mean theatrically trained him. Sure, right, oh, absolutely, phenomenal, phenomenal.

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I wanted to ask you, I'm always interested in this,

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Uh you know when you were like, presumably like a

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kid or a teen, right, was there a movie you

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saw or a stage performance or something that said, you know,

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I think this acting thing is something I want to

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give a try. Was there where a moment you remember

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that just said, man, I gotta I gotta look into this.

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Uh well, I was always a goofball and and love

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to do funny stuff. And if you know, if I

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could ride a bike at high speed into bushes and

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get people to laugh, that's you know, So what about

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all the scratches and all that stuff. I don't care.

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I just I always wanted to entertain people. And I

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think it was about the middle of my sophomore year

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in high school. At that point, I was going to

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go to Devri School of Electronics because I loved I

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loved electronics, you know, and and I just you know,

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I started getting into uh into classes in high school

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and uh stage speech, you know, where you could do

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and go and do competitions and stuff and winning, you know,

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winning stuff, and I thought, you know, I think this

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is what I want to do the rest of my life.

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And you know, my parents were like, all right, good

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luck with that. So uh yeah, so I'd say, sophomore

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year in high school is when I just said, nah,

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I think this is what I need to do. So

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my fate was sealed.

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Excellent, excellent. Yeah, and are you are you still do?

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I see that you've done a lot of like, uh,

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I was it assue or you're doing teaching acting as well?

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Yeah. I taught acting for TV film and a bunch

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of film studies at ASSU for about seventeen or eighteen years.

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I'm not doing the teaching so much anymore. I'm more

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and then, you know, in two thousand and eight, when

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all that happened, that was when I kind of brought

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my teaching career to an end, and so I started

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doing what was a hobby at that point, photography full time.

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And so since two thousand and eight it's been pretty

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much my full time gig is to do do that.

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And the way I saw it was just, you know,

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I'm basically a cinematographer, but one frame at a time,

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you know, because I always had a love of cinematography always.

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And how amazing is it to jump from like one

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focus of the arts to another right and to be

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able to just you know, transition like that is pretty wild. Yeah,

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when you were teaching acting. What because there's a lot

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of different schools of thought right on acting, and sure,

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what's the thing that you if there was like one

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thing you wanted to make sure that, like actors who

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were starting to take this seriously that you thought would

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be most helpful for them for like building a character

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or just getting comfortable. What would you try to Was

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there one thing you really wanted to make sure they

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didn't miss?

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Well, My my job was primarily of taking whatever they've learned,

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their method or their whether they're Strasburg or you know,

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whoever they you know, Miisner, whatever, whatever their method teaching was,

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take that and then make it fit within this frame.

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You know.

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So I would say the big, the big thing that

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I would teach actors is you've got to know your frame,

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especially in an audition, you know, because actors are always

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standing there and they've got a camera twelve feet away,

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and so they just naturally act like they're on the stage,

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you know what I mean, Like there's someone standing twelve

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feet away and I'm like, no, you have to ask

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them what's my frame? And if they tell you it's this,

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I said, well, then you have to act like the

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camera is right here, you know, and and you know,

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so I would have an actor do something really big,

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and then I would show him the frame and then

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I would stand like really like right in front of

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him like this is say you see what I mean.

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It's it's too big for you. You know, the camera

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is is is getting it. You don't have to go

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to the camera. It comes to you and it just

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it feels you. It takes in what's what's going on inside.

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You don't have to show it like to the back

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of the theater, you know what I mean.

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Yeah, so you're teaching specifically for film, then specifically, Yeah,

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somebody who's done theater is going to be really big

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and expansive and you sort of have to.

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And the other thing I told him is, look at

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look where that mic is. You know, if the mic

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is four feet over your head, you know, it's a

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wide shot, you know, and you're gonna have to project

470
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a little bit. But then once that mic comes down

471
00:25:49.319 --> 00:25:53.880
in right here, you know, you know he's just trying

472
00:25:53.880 --> 00:25:56.759
to stay out of frame and that you know that

473
00:25:56.920 --> 00:25:59.519
that's your close up and you don't need to project.

474
00:26:00.200 --> 00:26:01.839
You just need to feel you know.

475
00:26:02.640 --> 00:26:05.079
Yeah, fun, who do you like right Now.

476
00:26:05.480 --> 00:26:09.359
I saw some turnarounds of actors that I just boggled

477
00:26:09.400 --> 00:26:11.759
my brain from the first, you know, beginning of the

478
00:26:11.759 --> 00:26:13.960
semester to the very end of the semester, and it

479
00:26:14.079 --> 00:26:16.119
was really encouraging. Who do I like it?

480
00:26:16.319 --> 00:26:18.960
And I'm just curious, I like the young generation that

481
00:26:19.000 --> 00:26:22.079
you've seen recently coming up? Is there anybody really he's

482
00:26:22.160 --> 00:26:24.880
going places, she's going places that is really that you

483
00:26:25.000 --> 00:26:27.759
think that they just have a that's really resonated for you.

484
00:26:28.640 --> 00:26:36.039
Have you seen Colin Ferrell in Help Me Penguin Penguin?

485
00:26:36.359 --> 00:26:39.960
Yeah, I get amazing.

486
00:26:40.680 --> 00:26:44.400
I could care less about you know, the whole superhero thing,

487
00:26:44.519 --> 00:26:47.799
the DC thing, the Superman thing. I get so bored

488
00:26:47.839 --> 00:26:50.039
with those movies. Okay, yeah, you're gonna grab this thing

489
00:26:50.119 --> 00:26:52.960
and throw it into that and then you're gonna grab

490
00:26:53.039 --> 00:26:55.079
that gigantic thing that no one else can lift. You're

491
00:26:55.079 --> 00:26:56.599
gonna crush it on his head and then you know,

492
00:26:56.640 --> 00:26:59.599
I'm just so bored by those movies. So when that

493
00:26:59.680 --> 00:27:03.160
came out, I was like, who cares? But people kept

494
00:27:03.400 --> 00:27:05.880
on saying to me because you know, and I've said

495
00:27:05.920 --> 00:27:08.720
this for years to all my trek friends, They're like, well,

496
00:27:08.759 --> 00:27:10.759
are you a Trekky and I'm like, no, actually, I'm

497
00:27:10.759 --> 00:27:16.240
a sopranoi. I mean that to me, the Sopranos is

498
00:27:17.079 --> 00:27:20.640
you know, I've watched the entire series nine times, Like.

499
00:27:20.720 --> 00:27:23.119
Can you not forget about it? I mean, it's.

500
00:27:24.480 --> 00:27:27.680
Finally. I kept hearing people say, oh, it's it's sort

501
00:27:27.680 --> 00:27:31.319
of like a mix between the Sopranos and what Who? Okay,

502
00:27:31.680 --> 00:27:33.519
So then I watched it and I was just like

503
00:27:34.319 --> 00:27:36.880
waiting for Colin Ferrell to show up, and.

504
00:27:38.400 --> 00:27:40.079
He never did. I don't know how he did it.

505
00:27:41.160 --> 00:27:45.880
It's such a remarkable, remarkable performance. I can't wait to

506
00:27:45.960 --> 00:27:47.039
go through it the second time.

507
00:27:48.000 --> 00:27:50.480
It's unbelievable. I mean if our audience has never seen it,

508
00:27:50.559 --> 00:27:55.000
I mean he's unrecognizable and his voice is completely different.

509
00:27:55.039 --> 00:27:58.759
And and I mean, you know, because you've played a vulcan,

510
00:27:58.880 --> 00:28:02.680
I mean under all this makeup, Oh my god, you know,

511
00:28:03.599 --> 00:28:05.200
you know, imagine that it was something we're gonna attach

512
00:28:05.279 --> 00:28:07.640
you to your ears and we're gonna, you know, slick

513
00:28:07.680 --> 00:28:09.279
your hair back. I mean it's just I mean, I

514
00:28:09.319 --> 00:28:11.480
mean sometimes I don't makeup. It can be helpful, but

515
00:28:11.640 --> 00:28:15.039
to wear that much of an appliance like that guy, my.

516
00:28:15.160 --> 00:28:19.160
Makeup experience with with Star Trek five was not nearly

517
00:28:19.240 --> 00:28:21.599
as brutal as his. You know, I just had to

518
00:28:21.680 --> 00:28:24.640
go into the valley and go in some guy's garage,

519
00:28:26.400 --> 00:28:28.240
Like who is this guy? So I go in his

520
00:28:28.359 --> 00:28:31.519
garage and he starts building little molds around my ears

521
00:28:32.119 --> 00:28:35.319
and then pouring uh you know stuff, you know, plug

522
00:28:35.400 --> 00:28:37.359
my ear up first, thankingfully, and then he you know,

523
00:28:37.400 --> 00:28:40.000
he made molds of both ears so that he could

524
00:28:40.119 --> 00:28:44.839
you know, do the clay vulcan ear, and then he

525
00:28:44.960 --> 00:28:48.240
did reverse molds to just have those little rubber tips.

526
00:28:49.039 --> 00:28:52.480
So yeah, I can't imagine sitting in the makeup thing

527
00:28:52.640 --> 00:28:55.480
for five six hours just having them put layer after layer.

528
00:28:55.799 --> 00:28:57.839
That's what, you know why Jim Carrey had a panic

529
00:28:57.880 --> 00:28:59.640
attack the first couple of days he did the Grinch.

530
00:29:00.319 --> 00:29:02.599
He just was he felt like he was he was

531
00:29:03.000 --> 00:29:03.839
being buried alive.

532
00:29:04.359 --> 00:29:04.599
Wow.

533
00:29:05.079 --> 00:29:07.680
And they finally had to like put pipe in music

534
00:29:07.799 --> 00:29:10.599
and have a yoga instructor just kind of talking through

535
00:29:10.839 --> 00:29:12.240
meditation stuff.

536
00:29:11.960 --> 00:29:14.759
And yeah, because's like smithering right, It's just oh my gosh,

537
00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:17.279
I can't even imagine. But yeah, Pharal's that's a great

538
00:29:17.319 --> 00:29:19.480
believes for folks who haven't seen it. It's just amazing.

539
00:29:20.119 --> 00:29:22.000
I gotta just ask, man, does it I mean, it's

540
00:29:22.079 --> 00:29:23.839
it's so great that you are willing to come on

541
00:29:24.200 --> 00:29:26.480
the podcast here for us, But does it ever? Sometimes

542
00:29:26.559 --> 00:29:28.920
this just blow your mind, like whatever it is thirty six,

543
00:29:29.000 --> 00:29:34.119
thirty seven years later that people are still you know,

544
00:29:34.640 --> 00:29:36.559
I mean it is. It is unbelievable to me. I

545
00:29:36.599 --> 00:29:39.000
mean I love Star Trek like crazy, right, I mean

546
00:29:39.119 --> 00:29:42.000
watching ever since I was you know what, like ten

547
00:29:42.079 --> 00:29:44.400
years old with Syndicator e runs, right, But I still

548
00:29:44.480 --> 00:29:46.519
love it. It's great. But sometimes you just take a

549
00:29:46.599 --> 00:29:47.920
step back. It's just like this is.

550
00:29:48.039 --> 00:29:49.440
Still going, still going.

551
00:29:49.519 --> 00:29:52.039
Yeah, we're still talking about these you know things that

552
00:29:52.519 --> 00:29:54.400
the time somebody thought I'm writing this episode and it's

553
00:29:54.440 --> 00:29:57.680
paychecking them done. But now people are pouring over it

554
00:29:57.799 --> 00:30:00.680
like it's the Torah or something. Yes, right, crazy, right, man,

555
00:30:00.880 --> 00:30:01.400
it's wild.

556
00:30:02.079 --> 00:30:04.680
It's insane. Yeah, you know, and none of us had

557
00:30:04.720 --> 00:30:07.640
the idea in nineteen eighty nine that that would happen,

558
00:30:07.880 --> 00:30:09.480
you know, So it's crazy.

559
00:30:10.920 --> 00:30:12.880
Well, it's a treat to get to meet you, sir,

560
00:30:13.079 --> 00:30:15.960
and thank you for having me, and it's an absolute delight.

561
00:30:17.039 --> 00:30:19.799
Jim is one of these people. He's really loves Star

562
00:30:19.880 --> 00:30:22.440
Trek five and he just knows it better than anybody,

563
00:30:22.519 --> 00:30:24.640
and it's his baby. So there's any chance to have

564
00:30:24.759 --> 00:30:27.680
anybody that was affiliated with that, he's very excited. So

565
00:30:28.240 --> 00:30:30.720
it's a big it's a very special moment on the

566
00:30:30.799 --> 00:30:32.640
show when we can get somebody who was part of

567
00:30:32.680 --> 00:30:36.440
that experience. So my pleasure. Thank you for sharing your stories.

568
00:30:36.480 --> 00:30:39.119
I'm going to pass this over to spin my mental wheel.

569
00:30:40.079 --> 00:30:43.079
Oh god, it's landing on Eric. I'm sorry, Jonathan, it's

570
00:30:43.160 --> 00:30:43.799
landing on Eric.

571
00:30:44.039 --> 00:30:44.680
What can I do?

572
00:30:44.799 --> 00:30:46.359
It's random, Cham, I'll.

573
00:30:46.240 --> 00:30:52.599
Do my best. Well, thank you Paul for the handoff,

574
00:30:52.680 --> 00:30:55.400
and thanks Jonathan for joining us. My blood sounded like

575
00:30:55.880 --> 00:30:58.920
you were saying that your your Star Trek origin story

576
00:30:59.039 --> 00:31:00.880
sort of reaches back to the original series.

577
00:31:01.000 --> 00:31:01.119
Is that?

578
00:31:01.359 --> 00:31:02.400
Oh yeah, absolutely?

579
00:31:02.799 --> 00:31:05.359
Did you watch episodes when you were a young ling

580
00:31:05.799 --> 00:31:09.000
or when I was a kid, you know, absolutely, yeah,

581
00:31:09.079 --> 00:31:12.440
I loved it, you know, for obvious reasons, I'm afraid,

582
00:31:12.480 --> 00:31:15.240
but you know yeah, yeah, no, I mean a kid,

583
00:31:15.400 --> 00:31:18.039
you know, absolutely, And I mean back then, your your

584
00:31:18.200 --> 00:31:21.519
choices for science fiction were not as vast as they

585
00:31:21.559 --> 00:31:22.759
are now, so not.

586
00:31:22.839 --> 00:31:25.039
At all, you know, And I was also a Twilight

587
00:31:25.160 --> 00:31:28.559
Zone fan, and uh, what was the other one? Oh,

588
00:31:28.680 --> 00:31:31.200
Night Gallery? Oh remember that Ring Gallery?

589
00:31:31.319 --> 00:31:31.519
Yeah?

590
00:31:31.599 --> 00:31:35.720
I love those too. Those those dabbled in sci fi,

591
00:31:35.839 --> 00:31:38.640
but you weren't absolutely guarantee to get sci fi, but

592
00:31:38.880 --> 00:31:41.839
they were still so the storytelling was so you know,

593
00:31:41.960 --> 00:31:44.720
Rod Serling was a genius, absolute genius.

594
00:31:44.680 --> 00:31:48.160
Absolutely, I mean, mixing sci fi and horror and creepy

595
00:31:48.200 --> 00:31:51.720
stuff and thriller and drama and everything in one show

596
00:31:51.920 --> 00:31:52.960
was pretty amazing.

597
00:31:53.400 --> 00:31:53.640
Yeah.

598
00:31:54.359 --> 00:31:58.039
Yeah, do you have a favorite Star Trek movie of

599
00:31:58.119 --> 00:31:59.359
the movies that exist?

600
00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:00.319
I do?

601
00:32:00.519 --> 00:32:00.759
It is?

602
00:32:02.240 --> 00:32:03.960
Wait, what was that, Jim? What's my favorite one?

603
00:32:04.480 --> 00:32:07.640
Trying to extrandic Cajolia into Stay and five?

604
00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:11.920
For sure, I'm sorry, I had already picked it out

605
00:32:11.960 --> 00:32:14.079
before I did Star Trek five, I think. And my

606
00:32:14.200 --> 00:32:16.839
favorite was, and I don't know exactly why. Maybe you

607
00:32:16.920 --> 00:32:19.839
guys can tell me The Search for Spock. I just

608
00:32:20.160 --> 00:32:23.200
the third one. I just something about that movie just

609
00:32:23.480 --> 00:32:27.119
uh maybe it's hopeful message and it's uh, you know,

610
00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:32.240
uh resurgence and yeah, just the fact that they brought

611
00:32:32.559 --> 00:32:35.279
Spock back. I just was that that one just really

612
00:32:35.480 --> 00:32:38.319
really worked for me. Everyone, you know, everyone liked the

613
00:32:38.400 --> 00:32:40.680
movie after that, The fourth with the cute whales, I

614
00:32:40.759 --> 00:32:43.359
always say to people, They're like, what movie were you in?

615
00:32:43.480 --> 00:32:44.960
I said, well, you know, the really cute movie with

616
00:32:45.039 --> 00:32:47.480
all the whales and all that stuff. And they're like, yeah,

617
00:32:48.279 --> 00:32:51.720
not that one. I was in the one after, And

618
00:32:51.839 --> 00:32:54.279
they're like, the one after. I'm not sure I saw

619
00:32:54.319 --> 00:32:56.519
that one. I'm like, yeah, that's the one I'm in.

620
00:32:58.079 --> 00:33:02.839
But but as Jim has said today and as Laurence

621
00:33:02.920 --> 00:33:06.440
Luckinbill and all of us when we did the on

622
00:33:06.599 --> 00:33:10.720
stage at the convention, they were all talking about how

623
00:33:11.160 --> 00:33:15.400
the public opinion of Star Trek five has really changed

624
00:33:15.440 --> 00:33:17.680
drastically since it came out in eighty nine to ninety.

625
00:33:18.160 --> 00:33:20.559
You know, there's a lot of backlash against it. A

626
00:33:20.640 --> 00:33:24.119
lot of people who maybe didn't maybe thought Shatner was

627
00:33:24.279 --> 00:33:28.920
you know, was trying to you know, be like Leonard

628
00:33:29.000 --> 00:33:32.240
and be an amazing director, and they didn't want him

629
00:33:32.240 --> 00:33:34.359
to do that, and they didn't like the movie. And

630
00:33:34.480 --> 00:33:37.559
then but now it's just really crazy when people come

631
00:33:37.640 --> 00:33:39.160
up to my table and they're like, oh my god,

632
00:33:39.200 --> 00:33:41.599
I love this movie, like really, and they're like, I mean,

633
00:33:41.720 --> 00:33:44.559
I have only seen this since like, you know, twenty

634
00:33:45.480 --> 00:33:48.640
when I came in twenty sixteen, and after before that,

635
00:33:48.720 --> 00:33:50.920
it was always kind of well that's okay movie. Yeah,

636
00:33:51.519 --> 00:33:54.119
all right, well maybe we'll stop by later. Thanks, you know,

637
00:33:55.000 --> 00:33:57.440
but it's kind of exciting to see that that's happened.

638
00:33:58.160 --> 00:33:59.759
I mean, I feel like it's one of those movies

639
00:33:59.799 --> 00:34:02.079
that the I don't know, for me, the more I

640
00:34:02.200 --> 00:34:03.960
watched it, the more I kind of started to get

641
00:34:04.279 --> 00:34:07.359
what it was all about. And you know, I I

642
00:34:07.839 --> 00:34:09.719
remember when it first came out. I think one of

643
00:34:09.800 --> 00:34:12.559
the things that maybe might have turned people off was

644
00:34:12.599 --> 00:34:15.199
at the time, You'll remember, everybody thought that was the

645
00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:18.159
last Star Trek movie. It's the final Frontier, right, so

646
00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:21.960
you know, that was that was the assumption. I think

647
00:34:22.039 --> 00:34:23.440
that that was going to be the last one that

648
00:34:23.480 --> 00:34:27.000
they ever made, and it didn't feel like a you know,

649
00:34:27.079 --> 00:34:30.239
sending our crew off into the distance kind of kind

650
00:34:30.280 --> 00:34:32.559
of movie, which I think Star Trek's did a pretty

651
00:34:32.559 --> 00:34:34.119
good good job of in the end.

652
00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:36.199
Yeah.

653
00:34:36.360 --> 00:34:39.639
So yeah, I mean, Star Trek three is great, super hopeful.

654
00:34:40.199 --> 00:34:44.599
I agree, it's it's a great movie. What about what about? Actually,

655
00:34:44.599 --> 00:34:47.400
you've had all of these acting roles, and obviously these

656
00:34:47.480 --> 00:34:49.639
days you're doing the photography thing, but in your in

657
00:34:49.760 --> 00:34:54.679
your life, do you have favorite acting roles that you've done,

658
00:34:54.920 --> 00:34:59.639
whether it's movie or play or anything, it stands out.

659
00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:00.239
Well.

660
00:35:00.559 --> 00:35:02.800
The only reason I moved to Hollywood was to become

661
00:35:02.960 --> 00:35:05.360
rich and famous so that I could do theater for

662
00:35:05.400 --> 00:35:08.679
the rest of my life. So it didn't quite work

663
00:35:08.719 --> 00:35:10.800
out that way. So that's all right. But you know,

664
00:35:10.920 --> 00:35:13.320
I I love being on the theater, on the stage

665
00:35:13.400 --> 00:35:18.039
because it's two hours of uninterrupted boom boom boom, boom boom,

666
00:35:18.440 --> 00:35:19.639
you know. And there were a lot of plays I

667
00:35:19.679 --> 00:35:23.360
did in la and I've done here in Phoenix, you know.

668
00:35:23.639 --> 00:35:26.079
And I'm not done. I'm not done. I really think

669
00:35:26.239 --> 00:35:30.480
now that I'm you know, sixty something, I'm going to

670
00:35:30.559 --> 00:35:34.000
I'm going to take more time and and and do

671
00:35:34.239 --> 00:35:37.519
the acting things that I enjoy. I I uh, you know,

672
00:35:37.599 --> 00:35:40.519
Albuquerque is just going nuts with the Breaking Bad crew.

673
00:35:40.880 --> 00:35:42.400
They're coming back to do another thing.

674
00:35:42.480 --> 00:35:42.599
You know.

675
00:35:42.719 --> 00:35:45.280
Toronto is going crazy with all the Star Trek stuff.

676
00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:48.400
So now that I have the freedom to travel, you know,

677
00:35:48.920 --> 00:35:51.039
and all that, I'm really thinking about, you know, kind

678
00:35:51.079 --> 00:35:53.719
of starting the acting thing again. Why not, you know.

679
00:35:54.000 --> 00:35:56.159
So And part of it is, you know, I want

680
00:35:56.199 --> 00:35:59.599
to go to more conventions instead of I went including

681
00:35:59.679 --> 00:36:02.519
the lit Vegas convention, i'd like to, you know, have

682
00:36:03.039 --> 00:36:04.440
now that I have the time and I don't have

683
00:36:04.559 --> 00:36:06.719
the two girls. You know, I wrote I raised two girls,

684
00:36:07.480 --> 00:36:09.960
you know, and there they both now one lives in

685
00:36:10.039 --> 00:36:13.360
London and one lives in Hawaii. So I'm a empty

686
00:36:13.480 --> 00:36:18.280
continental and uh, you know, so that's that job is done.

687
00:36:18.360 --> 00:36:20.519
So I really now have kind of the time and

688
00:36:20.559 --> 00:36:22.800
the freedom to kind of you know, pursue acting a

689
00:36:22.840 --> 00:36:25.400
little bit more and uh and hopefully get back in

690
00:36:25.480 --> 00:36:28.320
the into the Star Trek universe. Somehow I got to

691
00:36:28.400 --> 00:36:31.760
break in. Anybody have any knowledge how I can do that?

692
00:36:32.159 --> 00:36:34.400
Oh my gosh, that might be amazing to see you

693
00:36:34.440 --> 00:36:36.239
in some modern Trek. I'd have you kept up with

694
00:36:36.360 --> 00:36:37.519
sort of the modern Trek stuff.

695
00:36:37.840 --> 00:36:40.400
Oh yeah, yeah, and I would love to do it.

696
00:36:40.440 --> 00:36:42.760
I'm just not quite sure how to crack that nut,

697
00:36:42.920 --> 00:36:45.480
you know, you know, whether I have to move back

698
00:36:45.519 --> 00:36:48.239
to la and then get cast in something that's going

699
00:36:48.280 --> 00:36:51.840
on in Toronto or you know, we'll see. I I'm

700
00:36:51.920 --> 00:36:54.840
not sure any guy else is accepted the saying.

701
00:36:54.840 --> 00:36:56.960
Maybe Jim's got some kind of connection that I don't know.

702
00:36:57.079 --> 00:36:59.000
But there we go, there we go.

703
00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:04.760
Well, I always appreciate, you know, artists who like to

704
00:37:04.800 --> 00:37:09.079
do multiple things. And so the photography angle, which you've

705
00:37:09.199 --> 00:37:10.639
you said it has been kind of your full time

706
00:37:10.719 --> 00:37:13.320
job for a long time. Was that always something you

707
00:37:13.400 --> 00:37:14.199
were interested.

708
00:37:13.920 --> 00:37:17.440
In or was it something I bought a a film

709
00:37:17.519 --> 00:37:20.480
camera and college and all the books and learned about

710
00:37:20.480 --> 00:37:22.719
it and did that, moved off to LA did the

711
00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:26.440
acting thing was always the you know, still production photographer

712
00:37:26.519 --> 00:37:30.519
for the for the theater company, and the documentarian too.

713
00:37:30.599 --> 00:37:34.000
I took a lot of pictures around and they've served

714
00:37:34.000 --> 00:37:38.000
as like to document that period of time. And then

715
00:37:38.599 --> 00:37:41.039
at some point I was teaching at ASU and the

716
00:37:41.079 --> 00:37:44.280
students kept coming to me with their headshots and I'd say,

717
00:37:45.079 --> 00:37:46.679
I'd look at there was a thing called a proof

718
00:37:46.719 --> 00:37:48.639
sheet back in those days, and I look at it

719
00:37:48.639 --> 00:37:51.000
and I go, how long did this person spend with you?

720
00:37:51.119 --> 00:37:53.280
And they're like, oh, twenty minutes? What did you pay them?

721
00:37:53.639 --> 00:37:56.559
Two hundred and fifty dollars? And I'm like, I can

722
00:37:56.679 --> 00:37:59.079
do this better than that, you know, and so and

723
00:37:59.159 --> 00:37:59.719
that's what I did.

724
00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:00.119
Know.

725
00:38:00.199 --> 00:38:02.039
At first, I just did it for free. And then

726
00:38:02.079 --> 00:38:03.400
as soon as I felt like I was doing it

727
00:38:03.679 --> 00:38:05.960
as good as everybody else, I you know, started charging.

728
00:38:06.119 --> 00:38:09.440
So that's been that's been fun. I've met a lot

729
00:38:09.480 --> 00:38:12.840
of really cool people. I've done conferences, events, you know,

730
00:38:13.519 --> 00:38:15.960
all sorts of I used to do weddings. I'm not

731
00:38:16.039 --> 00:38:19.320
doing them so much anymore. They're just they're too stressful.

732
00:38:19.719 --> 00:38:22.360
And there's there's no redos, there's no Oh, I'm sorry,

733
00:38:22.400 --> 00:38:24.679
I missed that. Can we just go back again really quick?

734
00:38:24.920 --> 00:38:27.880
You know, it just doesn't happen. So it's just too stressful.

735
00:38:27.880 --> 00:38:29.760
I don't want to deal with it, but but I

736
00:38:29.840 --> 00:38:30.119
love it.

737
00:38:30.639 --> 00:38:33.400
What's your favorite camera to use right now?

738
00:38:33.519 --> 00:38:35.519
I'm well, I've been a Canon guy all the all

739
00:38:35.599 --> 00:38:40.480
this time. My Canon five D Mark two was really great.

740
00:38:40.639 --> 00:38:43.360
I love that camera. I still have it. But now

741
00:38:43.400 --> 00:38:47.679
I'm onto the R five C, which has amazing video

742
00:38:48.360 --> 00:38:51.679
capability which I've only scratched the surface of. So i'd

743
00:38:51.719 --> 00:38:53.320
like to I'd like to get into a lot more

744
00:38:53.360 --> 00:38:56.440
of the video side of that. And and I and

745
00:38:56.519 --> 00:38:59.280
I'm a musician. So as a matter of fact, when

746
00:38:59.320 --> 00:39:03.239
you were playing that Billy Joel, the Billy Joel opening

747
00:39:04.159 --> 00:39:06.480
Billy Joel since I was you know, I've been playing

748
00:39:06.559 --> 00:39:08.480
drums since I was six, and Billy Joel has been

749
00:39:08.519 --> 00:39:11.960
my go to you know, drum listening to Billy Joel

750
00:39:13.159 --> 00:39:16.800
and always I fantasize in my head that Liberty DeVito

751
00:39:17.000 --> 00:39:19.599
his drummer. You know, I go to the concert and

752
00:39:19.639 --> 00:39:21.039
then all of a sudden he gets hit by a

753
00:39:21.280 --> 00:39:24.440
meteor or something, and they say, gee, golly, does anyone

754
00:39:24.559 --> 00:39:27.039
know how to play drums to Billy Joel? And I

755
00:39:27.159 --> 00:39:30.719
go right here, you know, So, as I'm sitting there

756
00:39:30.760 --> 00:39:32.480
playing to Billy Joel, That's what I'm thinking. No, you

757
00:39:32.599 --> 00:39:36.039
never know, it might happen, So you still have a chance.

758
00:39:36.119 --> 00:39:37.760
Man, You just got to go to all his shows.

759
00:39:39.880 --> 00:39:42.639
Dang well, I'll admit that that was one of our

760
00:39:42.760 --> 00:39:44.320
favorite songs to write.

761
00:39:44.639 --> 00:39:46.239
You know, very funny.

762
00:39:46.599 --> 00:39:49.119
There's a lot of lyrics packed into a little tiny space,

763
00:39:49.280 --> 00:39:50.599
just like in the actual songs.

764
00:39:50.920 --> 00:39:52.559
Yeah, exactly, that's great.

765
00:39:52.639 --> 00:39:53.000
I love it.

766
00:39:54.440 --> 00:39:54.800
Awesome.

767
00:39:54.840 --> 00:39:57.800
All right, Well, I want to keep this ball moving,

768
00:39:57.880 --> 00:40:01.320
so I'll just say thanks for chatting with me, and uh,

769
00:40:01.519 --> 00:40:04.039
I think I'm gonna I'm gonna pass this interview Mike

770
00:40:04.159 --> 00:40:05.440
over to Charles.

771
00:40:08.079 --> 00:40:10.320
Thank you, Eric, and thank you Jonathan.

772
00:40:13.039 --> 00:40:14.960
I think one of the things I will throw out,

773
00:40:16.159 --> 00:40:19.639
and what I implied earlier today was to say, to

774
00:40:19.719 --> 00:40:24.039
continue our conversation, I'm curious what it was like to

775
00:40:24.159 --> 00:40:29.480
be on stage as char Trek Las Vegas with them,

776
00:40:29.719 --> 00:40:32.320
with some of the people that were in Star Trek five,

777
00:40:32.400 --> 00:40:36.159
and just just just talking about what what it was

778
00:40:36.519 --> 00:40:39.519
like relive in your history of doing that movie.

779
00:40:40.599 --> 00:40:40.800
Yeah.

780
00:40:40.920 --> 00:40:43.440
I was so glad they asked me to do that

781
00:40:43.599 --> 00:40:47.679
because you know, unfortunately, you know, when I shot my scene,

782
00:40:49.400 --> 00:40:52.519
Lawrence had left for the day, and so had a

783
00:40:52.599 --> 00:40:54.159
lot of the other actors. I mean, I had the

784
00:40:54.400 --> 00:40:58.280
entire I literally got on Paramount set at seven am,

785
00:40:59.280 --> 00:41:03.280
and I you know, know that this is before Instagram existed,

786
00:41:03.440 --> 00:41:08.519
but you know, one could smuggle a thirty five millimeter

787
00:41:08.679 --> 00:41:11.400
film camera onto the lot if one was smart, and

788
00:41:11.519 --> 00:41:15.639
one would take pictures of oneself getting ready for that

789
00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:18.719
in their trailer and all that stuff that could happen.

790
00:41:19.360 --> 00:41:24.840
I'm just saying, but you know, I had the whole

791
00:41:24.920 --> 00:41:27.559
data fart around pretty much. And you know, they did

792
00:41:27.679 --> 00:41:31.079
my hair, which was the regulation Star Trek hair, which

793
00:41:31.599 --> 00:41:36.480
Jim Carrey wears in Dumb and Dumber, you know, So

794
00:41:36.599 --> 00:41:39.800
they flattened my hair, they sprayed the heck out of it,

795
00:41:39.840 --> 00:41:41.960
and they put panty hose on my head. So I

796
00:41:42.039 --> 00:41:44.440
had to walk around with the pantyhose to flatten my hair,

797
00:41:45.159 --> 00:41:47.280
and then they took that off, they got the bowl out,

798
00:41:47.320 --> 00:41:50.360
they cut, they did the bowl cut and gave me

799
00:41:50.480 --> 00:41:54.840
the Jim Carrey Star Trek regulation haircut. And then for

800
00:41:54.920 --> 00:41:56.960
the rest of the day, you know, they put my

801
00:41:57.079 --> 00:41:59.159
ears on, they did the makeup, and then I just

802
00:41:59.519 --> 00:42:02.079
had nothing to do, so I just kept walking on

803
00:42:02.239 --> 00:42:05.159
to the giant sound stage where they were shooting you know,

804
00:42:05.480 --> 00:42:10.119
uh Doc McCoy's uh scene with his dad right before.

805
00:42:11.639 --> 00:42:13.840
You know, so I kept a distance. You know, it

806
00:42:14.000 --> 00:42:16.199
was a very intimate scene, so I didn't, you know,

807
00:42:16.440 --> 00:42:18.679
get too close, but but I got to see that,

808
00:42:18.920 --> 00:42:21.320
and I got to walk on the bridge was right

809
00:42:21.360 --> 00:42:24.199
over here, and then the the bar that's in the

810
00:42:24.280 --> 00:42:26.440
desert was right over here, so I got to walk

811
00:42:26.480 --> 00:42:28.920
in that one. So I just pretty much spent most

812
00:42:28.920 --> 00:42:31.000
of the day just kind of wandering down the wandering

813
00:42:31.039 --> 00:42:33.880
around the paramount a lot. And then it was getting

814
00:42:33.960 --> 00:42:35.920
dark when they said, okay, we're almost ready for you,

815
00:42:36.079 --> 00:42:37.679
and then you know, I was like, oh, okay, you know,

816
00:42:38.320 --> 00:42:41.480
so that definitely the business of hurry up and wait.

817
00:42:42.239 --> 00:42:46.760
So and yes, I did get to keep my my

818
00:42:46.960 --> 00:42:49.960
set of ears, so you know, I took them off,

819
00:42:50.039 --> 00:42:52.440
and then I asked the makeup guy can I have this?

820
00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:54.760
And he's like, yeah, sure, Like, well, can I have

821
00:42:54.880 --> 00:42:57.519
the They made two sets? I said, well can I

822
00:42:57.559 --> 00:43:00.599
have those? And he goes, no, They they they tell

823
00:43:00.679 --> 00:43:03.960
us to keep these just in case there's reshoots. So

824
00:43:04.039 --> 00:43:06.960
I'm like, oh, okay. And then years later I bumped

825
00:43:07.000 --> 00:43:09.719
into a guy at the convention who said he owns

826
00:43:09.880 --> 00:43:16.559
my outfit that I wore, which which I honestly, when

827
00:43:16.599 --> 00:43:18.360
I saw the movie, I was a little bummed for

828
00:43:19.039 --> 00:43:22.519
the lovely woman who had designed that costume because you

829
00:43:22.599 --> 00:43:25.239
couldn't see all the really fancy gold stuff that she

830
00:43:25.360 --> 00:43:27.480
did down here and all this. It was such a

831
00:43:27.559 --> 00:43:31.280
tight shot, you know, that her costume didn't quite make

832
00:43:31.320 --> 00:43:35.159
it onto the screen the way I wished it would have.

833
00:43:35.280 --> 00:43:38.840
But but you know, that's all right. But this guy said,

834
00:43:38.880 --> 00:43:41.000
you know, yeah, there was a there was a auction

835
00:43:41.119 --> 00:43:43.519
at Paramount, and I went there and I knew exactly

836
00:43:43.559 --> 00:43:46.000
what it was and I bought it. So cool.

837
00:43:47.440 --> 00:43:48.480
Sounds like a lot of fun.

838
00:43:49.039 --> 00:43:52.639
In fact, I got a tricky friend who's telling me

839
00:43:52.719 --> 00:43:57.440
I got to get some ears for myself so I

840
00:43:57.559 --> 00:44:07.119
can do uh shaw shaw not shaw. The Captain from

841
00:44:07.440 --> 00:44:16.480
UH Percard. No, no, not for card from UH Discovery five. Oh,

842
00:44:16.599 --> 00:44:23.840
the one that came the XO with Burnham. You talked

843
00:44:23.880 --> 00:44:29.119
about people, you talked about doing the plays. I'm curious

844
00:44:29.119 --> 00:44:31.440
what your what role would you love to do.

845
00:44:33.000 --> 00:44:38.039
On stage? What's that role that you'd like? Oh, I

846
00:44:38.119 --> 00:44:40.920
want that role. I want to do that play.

847
00:44:42.480 --> 00:44:42.639
Uh.

848
00:44:43.320 --> 00:44:46.960
I've always wanted to do Teva and Fiddler on the Roof.

849
00:44:47.639 --> 00:44:52.480
I can sing. That's just such a great, great, great Yeah.

850
00:44:52.679 --> 00:44:57.880
So I've always wanted to do Teva. You know, I

851
00:44:58.719 --> 00:45:00.960
love Shakespeare and I've never really gotten a chance to

852
00:45:01.039 --> 00:45:03.639
do much Shakespeare. So there are a lot of parts

853
00:45:03.719 --> 00:45:06.280
I've aged out of. Unfortunately, I'm a little too old

854
00:45:06.320 --> 00:45:10.559
to do Hamlet, but I'm sure there's there's a lot

855
00:45:10.639 --> 00:45:13.159
of parts in there, you know that I would.

856
00:45:12.960 --> 00:45:13.320
Love to do.

857
00:45:15.519 --> 00:45:22.280
So well, when it comes to UH Shakespeare, maybe look

858
00:45:22.440 --> 00:45:28.480
into Utah or I think it's Oregon.

859
00:45:29.639 --> 00:45:33.360
Oh, yeah, true, they've Yeah, you know, that's an example,

860
00:45:33.639 --> 00:45:35.519
Charles that you know, I would like to You know,

861
00:45:35.599 --> 00:45:40.320
there's a thing called urda's, which are University Regional Theater auditions,

862
00:45:40.760 --> 00:45:43.360
which are you know, are three or four places across

863
00:45:43.400 --> 00:45:46.079
the country. They have those, and all these smaller you know,

864
00:45:46.199 --> 00:45:49.280
like Arizona Theater Company and all those, they send scouts

865
00:45:49.320 --> 00:45:51.480
to those and then all the actors just get up

866
00:45:51.519 --> 00:45:52.800
and go up. And I could go to the Los

867
00:45:52.800 --> 00:45:55.480
Angeles version of that, you know, and I bet you

868
00:45:55.639 --> 00:45:58.719
the you know, Utah Shakespeare Shakespeare Festival might there, the

869
00:45:58.800 --> 00:46:02.360
Oregon Shakespeare Festival there, you know. And so that's that's

870
00:46:02.400 --> 00:46:05.159
an example of in my retirement, something that I would

871
00:46:05.239 --> 00:46:07.159
like to get back into is like, you know, just

872
00:46:07.639 --> 00:46:08.880
what what what could it hurt?

873
00:46:09.440 --> 00:46:14.760
Right exactly? We start seeing more you on stage. Yeah,

874
00:46:16.239 --> 00:46:19.360
and for me, you tossed out that that's a short drive.

875
00:46:19.599 --> 00:46:23.360
So yeah, true.

876
00:46:23.760 --> 00:46:25.960
All right, one last thing and then I'll pass it

877
00:46:26.039 --> 00:46:28.320
over to David. I noticed she had a couple of

878
00:46:28.440 --> 00:46:32.880
times TV work like Jack and the Fat Man. How's

879
00:46:32.920 --> 00:46:38.440
a differentiation between doing movies like Star Trek and doing

880
00:46:38.519 --> 00:46:39.440
a TV show.

881
00:46:46.159 --> 00:46:52.480
I find the TV TV directors, uh tweak your performance

882
00:46:52.519 --> 00:46:57.239
a lot more because it's a smaller screen. Uh you know,

883
00:46:57.519 --> 00:47:01.039
the audience isn't sitting there with this giganic image of you.

884
00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:04.440
They really have to bring the audience to the TV

885
00:47:04.599 --> 00:47:07.760
and keep their attention. So a lot of times for

886
00:47:07.920 --> 00:47:10.920
TV stuff. I've gone in with my very kind of subtle,

887
00:47:11.679 --> 00:47:14.480
you know performance that I did in the audition, and

888
00:47:14.639 --> 00:47:16.119
I get on the set and there and then and

889
00:47:16.159 --> 00:47:20.800
they're like more more like like one of the worst,

890
00:47:21.599 --> 00:47:24.280
best worst, I'm not sure, was when I did an

891
00:47:24.480 --> 00:47:29.519
episode of Divorce Court. And and I mean this was

892
00:47:29.599 --> 00:47:35.000
a factory. They had this gigantic building that had you know,

893
00:47:35.480 --> 00:47:38.960
had the court setting obviously, and it was very much

894
00:47:39.079 --> 00:47:41.079
like a stage play. And they told they warned us

895
00:47:41.079 --> 00:47:43.440
about that. They said, you know, we just we just

896
00:47:44.199 --> 00:47:46.719
you run through the script and then we go to

897
00:47:46.800 --> 00:47:51.679
the next episode. And and I thought, wow, that's that's insane.

898
00:47:51.760 --> 00:47:56.039
So I really literally had to without any rehearsal, you know,

899
00:47:56.199 --> 00:48:00.599
memorize all these lines and and uh. And it was

900
00:48:00.639 --> 00:48:03.519
interesting because you never knew where the cameras were because

901
00:48:03.559 --> 00:48:05.920
they had panels of the courtroom that all of a

902
00:48:05.920 --> 00:48:08.360
sudden they would just slide open and then the camera

903
00:48:08.440 --> 00:48:10.840
would stick through, and then he would go back, and

904
00:48:10.920 --> 00:48:15.440
then the slide would slide closed again. And so I

905
00:48:15.599 --> 00:48:19.760
started doing you know, what I felt was a believable performance.

906
00:48:20.079 --> 00:48:21.800
I'll send you a link to it, Charles, and you

907
00:48:21.960 --> 00:48:25.920
let me know. And but the director kept kept coming

908
00:48:26.000 --> 00:48:28.880
up to me and saying no, bigger, bigger, bigger, and

909
00:48:28.960 --> 00:48:32.599
I was just like, dude, you know, I want to

910
00:48:32.719 --> 00:48:36.800
use this tape somehow to get another acting job, you know.

911
00:48:37.079 --> 00:48:39.199
And so if I do exactly what he's asking me

912
00:48:39.320 --> 00:48:42.079
to do, I won't I won't be able to watch it,

913
00:48:42.440 --> 00:48:45.320
you know. So you know, either it's a good or

914
00:48:45.360 --> 00:48:47.280
bad thing. I kind of stuck to my guns and

915
00:48:47.360 --> 00:48:50.800
I still tried to do my subtleties and all that,

916
00:48:51.239 --> 00:48:53.320
and I think it turned out perfectly fine. But that's

917
00:48:53.360 --> 00:48:57.039
an example of you know, in TV, they're like, no, bigger, bigger, bigger.

918
00:48:57.039 --> 00:48:58.480
It's you know, it's like a it's like a farce.

919
00:48:58.559 --> 00:49:01.519
It's like a melodrama. And I'm like, yeah, I don't.

920
00:49:01.679 --> 00:49:02.239
I don't think so.

921
00:49:03.079 --> 00:49:04.840
But that reminds me a little bit of what they

922
00:49:04.880 --> 00:49:09.440
expect on stage. So I will pass it on to David.

923
00:49:10.400 --> 00:49:13.480
All Right, thank you very much, Jonathan, Thank you, Charles,

924
00:49:13.559 --> 00:49:15.199
good seeing you again, good seeing you.

925
00:49:15.360 --> 00:49:18.920
Yeah, thank you, Charles. So a lot of my trust boats.

926
00:49:19.000 --> 00:49:20.480
I've already asked you pretty much, a lot of the

927
00:49:20.559 --> 00:49:24.079
questions I had in mind, but so I just quickly

928
00:49:24.159 --> 00:49:28.480
wanted to ask when you did the role of Shark.

929
00:49:29.519 --> 00:49:32.400
Were you expecting to get a callback to do like

930
00:49:33.119 --> 00:49:36.559
Shock again, like in another TV series?

931
00:49:39.519 --> 00:49:42.840
TV series wasn't wasn't quite a reality at that point,

932
00:49:43.440 --> 00:49:46.639
because you know, nineteen eighty nine. I'm not sure exactly

933
00:49:46.679 --> 00:49:49.199
when the next generation started, but I don't think it

934
00:49:49.239 --> 00:49:52.079
was until like the mid nineties.

935
00:49:52.239 --> 00:49:54.639
Yeah, it actually started in eighty seven, did it really?

936
00:49:54.719 --> 00:49:55.320
Are you kidding?

937
00:49:55.679 --> 00:49:55.880
Yeah?

938
00:49:56.119 --> 00:49:56.559
I didn't.

939
00:49:56.599 --> 00:50:01.960
I totally blanked on that. You know, I kind of

940
00:50:02.000 --> 00:50:04.880
hope that I would get, you know, to do Sarik again.

941
00:50:05.840 --> 00:50:11.159
I was very disappointed when mister Chariots of Gods got

942
00:50:11.199 --> 00:50:18.280
to do Sarrek in that movie. I can't remember what

943
00:50:18.320 --> 00:50:21.320
it's called, but you know, Ben Cross, Yeah, with the

944
00:50:21.360 --> 00:50:25.159
new generation of movies, so you know, when they cast

945
00:50:25.239 --> 00:50:27.480
Ben Cross who you know, I don't know. I mean,

946
00:50:29.280 --> 00:50:32.639
they weren't exactly getting star power in my opinion, because

947
00:50:32.760 --> 00:50:34.280
you know, he was he was kind of a B

948
00:50:34.880 --> 00:50:38.480
B movie actor at that point, but he did have

949
00:50:38.639 --> 00:50:42.679
the right facial stuff. But I would love to have

950
00:50:42.719 --> 00:50:44.480
gotten a call for that. That would have been amazing,

951
00:50:44.760 --> 00:50:47.199
you know, and then and then subsequent after that, you know,

952
00:50:48.320 --> 00:50:49.800
more actors that have played Sarak.

953
00:50:49.840 --> 00:50:50.679
I'm like Damn.

954
00:50:50.719 --> 00:50:53.280
I didn't get that one either. But you know, I

955
00:50:53.320 --> 00:50:55.119
don't know how to get back on the radar. That's

956
00:50:55.159 --> 00:50:56.400
why I have to figure out. That's why I need

957
00:50:56.480 --> 00:50:59.639
you guys, get me back on the radar, man, you know,

958
00:51:01.079 --> 00:51:03.599
so that when they when they come up with another Stark,

959
00:51:03.719 --> 00:51:06.480
you know, especially the gray haired one that's you know,

960
00:51:06.519 --> 00:51:11.000
a little little older, little riper, they might think of

961
00:51:11.079 --> 00:51:12.639
me cool.

962
00:51:12.760 --> 00:51:16.639
So nice. Yeah, unfortunately that was all the questions I had.

963
00:51:17.000 --> 00:51:20.639
But okay, David, Yeah yeah, but I was really nice

964
00:51:20.679 --> 00:51:22.719
having you on the show, and I really appreciate you

965
00:51:22.880 --> 00:51:25.159
coming on and uh thank you. Yeah.

966
00:51:26.320 --> 00:51:30.400
Well, I gotta jump in real quick before Jim dismounts,

967
00:51:30.800 --> 00:51:34.119
because I you know, I'm I Jonathan. All my work

968
00:51:34.480 --> 00:51:37.559
that I'm familiar with you from is the Sarak, right,

969
00:51:37.719 --> 00:51:40.519
And I had no clue that you were just so

970
00:51:40.760 --> 00:51:44.679
freaking hilarious. I mean you are. You are hysterical, man,

971
00:51:44.920 --> 00:51:46.119
and you're just so.

972
00:51:46.800 --> 00:51:48.719
You gotta you gotta see me ride a bike into

973
00:51:48.760 --> 00:51:49.159
the bushes.

974
00:51:51.199 --> 00:51:55.360
Yes please, I'm already sold. I'm I'm It's like I

975
00:51:55.440 --> 00:51:56.119
was all ready.

976
00:51:56.000 --> 00:51:58.719
For TikTok man. I was ready for TikTok. It just

977
00:51:58.880 --> 00:51:59.960
wasn't ready for me. That's all.

978
00:52:00.119 --> 00:52:00.199
Now.

979
00:52:00.320 --> 00:52:03.280
I I think you uh, you know, coming out of

980
00:52:03.320 --> 00:52:06.360
a retirement getting back into doing more film and TV work.

981
00:52:06.400 --> 00:52:09.719
I would so love to see you do comedy, man.

982
00:52:09.800 --> 00:52:12.719
I think it seems like that's that just seems like

983
00:52:12.840 --> 00:52:13.480
that's your thing.

984
00:52:13.800 --> 00:52:19.559
I mean, I was raised on Monty Python, raised on

985
00:52:19.719 --> 00:52:21.400
Monty Python and Benny Hill.

986
00:52:22.000 --> 00:52:24.800
Yeah. Yeah, because you got like you got the good

987
00:52:24.920 --> 00:52:28.079
rubber face, Gene Man. That's like the highest compliment I

988
00:52:28.119 --> 00:52:28.559
can think of.

989
00:52:29.239 --> 00:52:29.480
Martin.

990
00:52:29.639 --> 00:52:31.920
Steve Martin is the other one that it actually gets

991
00:52:31.960 --> 00:52:34.719
me in trouble on commercials. When I auditioned for a commercial,

992
00:52:34.760 --> 00:52:36.880
I'll go for the callback and I'll be doing it

993
00:52:37.400 --> 00:52:38.719
and then they'll kind of look at each other and

994
00:52:38.760 --> 00:52:42.280
they go just like Steve Martin and and then and

995
00:52:42.320 --> 00:52:45.679
then I'm like, fuck, oh sorry, sorry, Jim.

996
00:52:46.000 --> 00:52:48.440
You can you can you can say that it's okay, sorry.

997
00:52:49.039 --> 00:52:53.280
Because in a commercial, that's that's distracting, you know what

998
00:52:53.360 --> 00:52:55.760
I mean. So, but there was a commercial I did

999
00:52:55.840 --> 00:53:00.559
for John Travolta movie that never came out where I

1000
00:53:00.639 --> 00:53:05.679
did get to do my wild and crazy thing, but

1001
00:53:05.880 --> 00:53:09.159
that that that was the movie was called The Experts.

1002
00:53:08.840 --> 00:53:12.599
And I remember that picture. Yeah, I do. Yeah, yeah,

1003
00:53:12.840 --> 00:53:15.840
depending to be Russians or whatever, right, or the Russian spies. Yeah,

1004
00:53:15.840 --> 00:53:16.239
I remember.

1005
00:53:17.199 --> 00:53:17.719
All right.

1006
00:53:18.519 --> 00:53:19.880
I think you're going to get a lot of work,

1007
00:53:20.079 --> 00:53:23.320
is my prediction. I just think you are. You talked

1008
00:53:23.360 --> 00:53:26.360
about that Vince Gilligan show that they're shooting in uh

1009
00:53:27.599 --> 00:53:30.559
right now, Yeah, you should just drive out there finding

1010
00:53:30.599 --> 00:53:32.079
who their casting director is and just.

1011
00:53:32.199 --> 00:53:34.039
You know, and they and and what's so crazy is

1012
00:53:34.119 --> 00:53:37.559
like nowadays they do the first audition self tape anyways,

1013
00:53:38.960 --> 00:53:42.840
which is which is so bizarre to me, because does all.

1014
00:53:42.760 --> 00:53:46.559
These thriller things right and horror X file stuffs to

1015
00:53:46.599 --> 00:53:50.119
put comedy in there too, So it seems like you're

1016
00:53:50.239 --> 00:53:54.280
you're a Vince Gilligan guy. Thank you. Yeah, if you

1017
00:53:54.360 --> 00:53:55.760
get in front of them, they would cast you in

1018
00:53:55.840 --> 00:53:56.199
the spot.

1019
00:53:56.360 --> 00:53:56.679
That's my.

1020
00:54:02.039 --> 00:54:06.800
Oh my god. The first season I was rolling rolling

1021
00:54:06.880 --> 00:54:09.480
with laughter every time he did that. Oh that's what

1022
00:54:09.599 --> 00:54:11.679
you think, bitch?

1023
00:54:12.400 --> 00:54:12.800
You know I was.

1024
00:54:14.480 --> 00:54:15.639
So freaking funny.

1025
00:54:16.559 --> 00:54:18.440
Well, I think I think good things are coming your

1026
00:54:18.440 --> 00:54:21.480
way with thank you guys. I'm seldom wrong.

1027
00:54:21.679 --> 00:54:25.239
So that one time. I have so much fun going

1028
00:54:25.280 --> 00:54:28.000
to the conventions and meeting the fans and hearing their

1029
00:54:28.039 --> 00:54:31.280
stories and their connection to Star Trek, and you know

1030
00:54:31.480 --> 00:54:33.159
that that's the reason I do it, and I love

1031
00:54:33.320 --> 00:54:35.280
I love it. Every time I've gone, I've always had

1032
00:54:35.280 --> 00:54:35.840
a great time.

1033
00:54:36.280 --> 00:54:38.800
Well, we're gonna be watching for you, brother, and again,

1034
00:54:38.880 --> 00:54:40.559
it's just been a thrill to have you on here.

1035
00:54:40.760 --> 00:54:42.679
And sorry I had to jump back in, but I

1036
00:54:42.800 --> 00:54:45.239
was very excited just because I'm like, I'm so entertained

1037
00:54:45.280 --> 00:54:47.960
by just watching Jonathan do his thing. I'm just like, oh,

1038
00:54:48.039 --> 00:54:52.000
thank you, guys, thank you more stories. Keep going, Uncle Jim.

1039
00:54:52.119 --> 00:54:55.519
Back to you, sir, I will gently step behind the curtain.

1040
00:54:56.239 --> 00:54:58.679
Well, I gotta say, you know they passed you up

1041
00:54:58.719 --> 00:55:01.599
for dirty dancing. I mean I would have. I thought

1042
00:55:01.639 --> 00:55:03.000
you were a shoe in for that one.

1043
00:55:03.679 --> 00:55:06.199
Just because he's been doing ballet since he was four

1044
00:55:06.320 --> 00:55:09.039
years old. They think he can dance exactly.

1045
00:55:09.320 --> 00:55:09.559
Yeah.

1046
00:55:11.039 --> 00:55:13.840
And if you're gonna do Shakespeare, we talked to Nicholas

1047
00:55:13.920 --> 00:55:18.320
Meyer last week or two weeks ago to cling on.

1048
00:55:19.000 --> 00:55:21.440
He said, cling on is the only way to do it,

1049
00:55:21.559 --> 00:55:24.360
So you'd have to cling on if you want to

1050
00:55:24.400 --> 00:55:25.239
do more Shakespeare.

1051
00:55:25.760 --> 00:55:26.480
That's insane.

1052
00:55:28.000 --> 00:55:29.880
And I just I just want to ask you one

1053
00:55:29.960 --> 00:55:32.559
more thing. When you go to the conventions and you

1054
00:55:32.679 --> 00:55:38.199
meet the fans. What what is one of the experiences

1055
00:55:38.239 --> 00:55:40.559
you had with the fans at the conventions that really

1056
00:55:41.159 --> 00:55:43.920
sticks in your mind as this is what starts, this

1057
00:55:44.039 --> 00:55:50.239
is why Star Trek is Star Trek. Tough question, tough.

1058
00:55:50.119 --> 00:55:53.599
Question, Yeah, I got. I have to say, the first

1059
00:55:53.639 --> 00:55:56.559
thing I thought of was a lot of a lot

1060
00:55:56.639 --> 00:55:59.599
of them who are going through difficult times in their life,

1061
00:55:59.639 --> 00:56:04.960
you know, whether it's divorcing or very serious medical conditions

1062
00:56:05.239 --> 00:56:08.920
or medical conditions they were born with or whatever, and

1063
00:56:09.039 --> 00:56:16.679
that and how much solace and comfort and love they

1064
00:56:16.800 --> 00:56:19.559
have for the Star Trek lord, you know what I mean.

1065
00:56:19.679 --> 00:56:24.039
And that that, frankly, was not something that I thought

1066
00:56:24.079 --> 00:56:26.519
of when I, you know, went to my very first convention,

1067
00:56:27.880 --> 00:56:30.599
but that it happens time and time again, and I'm

1068
00:56:30.679 --> 00:56:33.400
just like, wow, you know, they really get a lot

1069
00:56:33.440 --> 00:56:37.480
of comfort, you know, watching Star Trek and and understanding it,

1070
00:56:37.639 --> 00:56:41.519
and that just blew me away. It still does.

1071
00:56:42.760 --> 00:56:44.880
And I just want to say before we go that

1072
00:56:45.599 --> 00:56:48.679
for me, Star Trek five I think is the best

1073
00:56:48.719 --> 00:56:52.360
Star Trek movie because it captures the essence of Star Trek.

1074
00:56:52.519 --> 00:56:55.639
It feels like a TV show to me. You have

1075
00:56:55.760 --> 00:56:59.079
the relationship with Kirk Spock and McCoy and their camping scenes,

1076
00:56:59.079 --> 00:57:01.440
which are some of my face writs of the scene

1077
00:57:01.480 --> 00:57:03.840
with McCoy and his father that you were talking about.

1078
00:57:03.960 --> 00:57:08.000
It gets me every time I see it. I love

1079
00:57:08.119 --> 00:57:12.000
the Klingons in the movie. They're so they're like biker dudes.

1080
00:57:12.960 --> 00:57:17.920
Jerry Goldsmith's soundtrack is phenomenal. And the fact that Lawrence

1081
00:57:18.000 --> 00:57:21.400
Luckimbill isn't actually a villain like say con Or Chang.

1082
00:57:21.519 --> 00:57:26.519
He's he's misled and he sees the air of his ways,

1083
00:57:26.880 --> 00:57:28.719
you know, later on in the movie and tries to

1084
00:57:29.480 --> 00:57:32.440
remedy that. So, you know, for me, Star Trek five

1085
00:57:32.599 --> 00:57:35.280
really feels like an episode of Star Trek. It has

1086
00:57:35.559 --> 00:57:38.760
it has all the all the parts that made Star

1087
00:57:38.840 --> 00:57:41.039
Trek Star Trek. And that's why I love the movie.

1088
00:57:41.159 --> 00:57:45.760
And thank you so much for being I really really

1089
00:57:45.880 --> 00:57:48.039
enjoy it, and I just wanted to tell you that.

1090
00:57:48.199 --> 00:57:50.719
So will I see you all in August and well

1091
00:57:50.719 --> 00:57:51.480
you'll probably.

1092
00:57:51.199 --> 00:57:54.480
See Charles, Okay, Charles will probably be around.

1093
00:57:56.079 --> 00:57:58.119
I'll be there, maybe not the whole show, but I

1094
00:57:58.199 --> 00:58:00.519
will be there, all right.

1095
00:58:00.639 --> 00:58:03.039
So thank you, Thank you so much, Jonathan for the guys.

1096
00:58:04.599 --> 00:58:08.519
We appreciate it. Thank you very much. Good night, good night.

1097
00:58:11.599 --> 00:58:14.400
All right, guys. So that was that was Sarah from

1098
00:58:14.480 --> 00:58:18.199
Star Trek five The Final Frontier. A lot of fun.

1099
00:58:18.360 --> 00:58:19.679
Huh. Yeah.

1100
00:58:19.719 --> 00:58:22.480
He was great man, what is what a great personality

1101
00:58:22.519 --> 00:58:23.559
and sense of humor and everything.

1102
00:58:25.960 --> 00:58:30.679
Not what I expected at all, Really engaging and great storyteller.

1103
00:58:30.800 --> 00:58:32.480
So really good to have mine.

1104
00:58:34.800 --> 00:58:40.039
Back to sitting next to him all weekend off and

1105
00:58:40.159 --> 00:58:42.440
on the table the whole weekend. We were right, he

1106
00:58:42.599 --> 00:58:44.400
was right next to our ship's table.

1107
00:58:45.320 --> 00:58:46.239
Cool, excellent.

1108
00:58:46.320 --> 00:58:48.679
Do you ever comes to Poilo, I would definitely go Seium.

1109
00:58:50.280 --> 00:58:53.239
For sure. All right, guys, So we did the show

1110
00:58:53.239 --> 00:58:55.719
a little bit backwards today, but we're going to jump

1111
00:58:55.800 --> 00:58:58.840
in to do some fan shout outs right now. We're

1112
00:58:58.880 --> 00:59:02.079
going to continue on and we're going to turn to

1113
00:59:02.239 --> 00:59:03.840
Eric to get us started. You guys can go to

1114
00:59:03.880 --> 00:59:06.119
our Facebook page, or you can go over to truck

1115
00:59:06.159 --> 00:59:08.039
talkin dot com and there's a lot of places you

1116
00:59:08.079 --> 00:59:10.400
can find out how to get mentioned in a future

1117
00:59:10.440 --> 00:59:11.119
fan shout out.

1118
00:59:11.159 --> 00:59:14.320
So take it away, Eric, Yeah, Jim, I am always

1119
00:59:14.440 --> 00:59:16.960
humbled by how much support we have all over the

1120
00:59:17.039 --> 00:59:21.679
planet countries, so thousands and thousands of miles from here

1121
00:59:22.000 --> 00:59:24.599
and people are just checking in with us, listening to

1122
00:59:24.679 --> 00:59:27.840
our show and doing all sorts of stuff. So my

1123
00:59:28.000 --> 00:59:31.320
first fan shout out this week goes out to Jose

1124
00:59:31.719 --> 00:59:36.280
Manuel Casado Sanchez, who says he's a citizen of the

1125
00:59:36.400 --> 00:59:39.400
universe but was born in Madrid, Spain. You know what,

1126
00:59:39.719 --> 00:59:41.960
I'm a citizen of the universe too, sir. How about

1127
00:59:42.000 --> 00:59:47.079
that we're basically brothers. So Jose Manuel Casado Sanchez, thank

1128
00:59:47.119 --> 00:59:49.519
you so much for saying hello to s from Madrid, Spain.

1129
00:59:49.880 --> 00:59:52.159
I cannot wait to go to your city. I have

1130
00:59:52.280 --> 00:59:54.559
been to Spain, but I've only been to Barcelona and

1131
00:59:54.639 --> 00:59:56.480
I have not made my way to Madrid yet. I

1132
00:59:56.599 --> 01:00:01.880
plan to go there someday. Hello this week to James Hanson,

1133
01:00:01.880 --> 01:00:06.199
who's checking in from Melbourne, Australia, sending us that Australian

1134
01:00:06.320 --> 01:00:09.960
flag emoji, which I'm sure is what caught Jim's attention.

1135
01:00:10.599 --> 01:00:12.760
James Hanson, thank you so much for saying hello to us,

1136
01:00:12.840 --> 01:00:16.079
and apply to you, sir. Also saying hello this week

1137
01:00:16.159 --> 01:00:21.840
to Ferdy Raid who's from Metro Manila in the Philippines. Wow,

1138
01:00:22.320 --> 01:00:24.840
we do have a ton of support from all of

1139
01:00:24.960 --> 01:00:28.360
Southeast Asia, including the Philippines and Ferdy. We really appreciate

1140
01:00:28.440 --> 01:00:30.840
your support, and hopefully you're going to be listening to

1141
01:00:30.920 --> 01:00:33.840
this in the future and you'll hear us shouting out

1142
01:00:33.920 --> 01:00:35.599
to you, thank you so much for checking in with us.

1143
01:00:36.079 --> 01:00:37.840
And last, but not least, on my list, i'd like

1144
01:00:37.920 --> 01:00:41.239
to say hello this week to David VB who's saying

1145
01:00:41.239 --> 01:00:45.760
hello to us from Belgium. That's right, Charles, who would

1146
01:00:45.760 --> 01:00:46.519
you like to say hello to?

1147
01:00:47.480 --> 01:00:48.079
Well, let me.

1148
01:00:48.119 --> 01:00:55.440
Start off welcoming George el Sandfield from Arkansas, who's also

1149
01:00:55.480 --> 01:00:56.239
a top fan.

1150
01:00:56.639 --> 01:00:58.519
So great to hear from you, Joyce.

1151
01:01:00.280 --> 01:01:07.920
Welcome to Yima Heart from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. And I wonder

1152
01:01:08.000 --> 01:01:13.280
if Yerima knows how because Hal Brown's from southeastern Pennsylvania,

1153
01:01:14.159 --> 01:01:17.880
so I got a couple of Pennsylvania's in there. And

1154
01:01:17.960 --> 01:01:23.000
then I warm welcome to Timothy Brown from Seattle adjacent Washington,

1155
01:01:23.599 --> 01:01:27.280
currently in Las Vegas. I think I might know who

1156
01:01:27.400 --> 01:01:29.679
Timothy is, but we haven't seen him in a while.

1157
01:01:31.119 --> 01:01:32.840
So David, who's on your list?

1158
01:01:34.400 --> 01:01:38.159
Yeah, I would definitely like to say hello and thank

1159
01:01:38.199 --> 01:01:44.760
you for listening to Don. Alexandra Grayshan from Portland, Oregon.

1160
01:01:45.360 --> 01:01:47.239
I've got a question for you. How's the water?

1161
01:01:47.719 --> 01:01:48.119
Is it great?

1162
01:01:49.199 --> 01:01:52.679
It's Rex flavored flavored.

1163
01:01:53.760 --> 01:01:56.719
And the next one welcome would go to Greg Payne

1164
01:01:56.920 --> 01:02:03.960
from Central Texas, and another welcome to Brian T. Coughlin

1165
01:02:04.199 --> 01:02:10.119
from Charlotte, New York. And last time, my lash, welcome

1166
01:02:10.280 --> 01:02:16.719
to Ryan J. Gushin from Detroit, Michigan, just north of

1167
01:02:16.880 --> 01:02:20.719
the Canadian border. And speaking of the Canadian border, I'm

1168
01:02:20.719 --> 01:02:25.320
sure Paul would love to spind his globe around, all.

1169
01:02:25.320 --> 01:02:27.440
Right, I would love to. I would love to get

1170
01:02:27.719 --> 01:02:30.760
to all different points of the globe that are different

1171
01:02:30.840 --> 01:02:34.679
than where I am currently. Actually right, I'm get away

1172
01:02:34.880 --> 01:02:38.199
with each day. I'm I'm more intrigued than the next.

1173
01:02:38.440 --> 01:02:40.760
So let's and you know, we all know that it

1174
01:02:40.800 --> 01:02:44.800
is Erica, so adroitly put it at the start. We

1175
01:02:44.920 --> 01:02:48.800
are an international community of fans and enthusiasts here in

1176
01:02:48.840 --> 01:02:51.719
the Star Trek universe. And let's say hello to our

1177
01:02:51.719 --> 01:02:54.679
good friend Robert William Graham in London, England, one of

1178
01:02:54.719 --> 01:02:59.480
the great metropolis of our planet, certainly a place where

1179
01:02:59.519 --> 01:03:02.480
there's much history there, So great dear from you, Robert,

1180
01:03:02.599 --> 01:03:06.320
thanks for being a fan down in Southeast Asia. We're

1181
01:03:06.320 --> 01:03:08.440
going to go to Jakarta, Indonesia and say hello to

1182
01:03:08.559 --> 01:03:12.280
Paul bin Aka I hope I'm pronouncing your name correctly, Paul.

1183
01:03:12.320 --> 01:03:16.320
Apologies if I'm not. Jakarta, Indonesia is where Paul hanks

1184
01:03:16.440 --> 01:03:22.800
his hat and crossing many many axes of latitudes and longitudes,

1185
01:03:22.840 --> 01:03:26.039
We're going to head back over to Italy, where our

1186
01:03:26.119 --> 01:03:31.599
friend Alice con Felonieri is giving us the magical livelong

1187
01:03:31.679 --> 01:03:34.880
and prosper sign there from Italy. Great dear from Alice.

1188
01:03:34.920 --> 01:03:38.000
I wonder what part of Italy Alice is residing in.

1189
01:03:39.239 --> 01:03:41.039
And not too far down the road from Alice, we

1190
01:03:41.159 --> 01:03:44.760
have our good friend Andreas Heilsberg who is saying hello

1191
01:03:44.920 --> 01:03:52.119
to us from Schwarzenburg. Schwarzenberg is in Saxony's or mountains

1192
01:03:53.000 --> 01:03:59.079
there in Germany. So wonderful, rustic, exciting part of the globe.

1193
01:03:59.199 --> 01:04:02.840
To be sure, the German mountains are pretty spectacular, So

1194
01:04:03.039 --> 01:04:05.920
wonderful to know and be reminded of that. We've got

1195
01:04:06.000 --> 01:04:09.280
fans and the Star Trek enthusiasts all over the place.

1196
01:04:09.480 --> 01:04:12.320
So good to know that we have those things in common.

1197
01:04:12.800 --> 01:04:15.119
Back over to uncle Jim.

1198
01:04:15.800 --> 01:04:18.519
Why thank you so much, Paul. We'd like to say

1199
01:04:18.840 --> 01:04:21.679
thank you and caplada Mike Smith, who's listening to us

1200
01:04:21.800 --> 01:04:26.280
in Niagara on the Lake, Ontario, Canada, probably one of

1201
01:04:26.320 --> 01:04:29.960
the locations of the Mega Bridge leading to Toronto, which

1202
01:04:30.079 --> 01:04:34.159
was shown in an episode of Strange New World. I

1203
01:04:34.239 --> 01:04:37.679
wonder if that's the one where they found Pellia hanging

1204
01:04:37.760 --> 01:04:40.960
out in that antique store. I wonder. Anyways, thank you

1205
01:04:41.079 --> 01:04:46.239
so much for okay, so thank you so much to

1206
01:04:46.320 --> 01:04:48.039
Mike Smith. We also want to say thank you to

1207
01:04:48.159 --> 01:04:51.039
how We Finkle, who's listening to us from New York,

1208
01:04:51.159 --> 01:04:56.039
New York, The Crossroads of the Galaxy, the Big Apple.

1209
01:04:56.199 --> 01:04:59.280
Thank you for being a fan, Howie. We also want

1210
01:04:59.360 --> 01:05:01.760
to say a couple on thank you to Dennis Cardin,

1211
01:05:01.800 --> 01:05:04.760
who's in Hudson Valley region in New York. That's where

1212
01:05:04.760 --> 01:05:07.840
he went to college. By the way, Hudson Valley. Thank

1213
01:05:07.880 --> 01:05:12.039
you so much, Dennis. And uh, oddly enough our only

1214
01:05:12.159 --> 01:05:15.800
top fan on tonight's list, which is odd. We want

1215
01:05:15.840 --> 01:05:18.559
to say thank you to top fan Donna Runyon, who's

1216
01:05:18.599 --> 01:05:22.360
listening to us in Maryland. And that wraps up our

1217
01:05:22.440 --> 01:05:25.639
fan shout outs, and now it's time for our polls.

1218
01:05:32.320 --> 01:05:33.920
You know me like no Win.

1219
01:05:34.639 --> 01:05:37.679
You thought about the show, then we try.

1220
01:05:39.039 --> 01:05:43.840
To share your opinions with all of our minions out

1221
01:05:43.920 --> 01:05:44.960
there because.

1222
01:05:44.800 --> 01:05:46.559
They listen worldwide.

1223
01:05:48.239 --> 01:05:50.239
So tell us just what you think.

1224
01:05:50.559 --> 01:05:55.599
Get together, we will alter Canara and Robbie land An.

1225
01:05:58.440 --> 01:06:00.920
All right, Eric, we have a couple of good poll

1226
01:06:01.079 --> 01:06:03.480
questions here tonight. You want to get us started, I

1227
01:06:03.599 --> 01:06:04.119
definitely do.

1228
01:06:04.599 --> 01:06:09.320
In Star Trek Discovery's first season episode What's Past is Prologue,

1229
01:06:09.840 --> 01:06:14.079
Michael Burnham brings Emperor Georgio into the Prime Universe. Do

1230
01:06:14.280 --> 01:06:18.519
you agree with her choice? And I'm happy to say

1231
01:06:18.599 --> 01:06:22.400
that one of the people who responded to this poll

1232
01:06:22.519 --> 01:06:28.800
said they agree with Michael Burnham's choice, So there you go.

1233
01:06:29.039 --> 01:06:34.679
It's unanimous in my opinion. I mean, so as I remember,

1234
01:06:34.760 --> 01:06:38.079
I think Michael Burnham brought her back because she felt

1235
01:06:38.159 --> 01:06:41.320
like she would have a good sort of strategic mind

1236
01:06:41.519 --> 01:06:46.280
to help beat the Klingons. And then, of course, you know,

1237
01:06:46.440 --> 01:06:51.079
later on Georgio becomes the one to suggest that essentially

1238
01:06:51.480 --> 01:06:55.000
the Discovery have this bomb that they sort of spore

1239
01:06:55.119 --> 01:06:59.199
drive into the middle of Kronos to you know, threaten

1240
01:06:59.239 --> 01:07:01.559
the planet with which then gets handed over to Laurel

1241
01:07:01.760 --> 01:07:05.039
so she can threaten all of the other Klingon things.

1242
01:07:05.119 --> 01:07:07.800
So I guess in a lot of ways, it took

1243
01:07:07.960 --> 01:07:12.119
the mind of a Mirror Universe emperor to use that

1244
01:07:12.280 --> 01:07:16.920
strategy with the idea that the Klingons only respond to

1245
01:07:17.880 --> 01:07:21.679
threats and violence. Is that am I correctly interpreting that?

1246
01:07:23.119 --> 01:07:23.280
Well?

1247
01:07:23.719 --> 01:07:26.440
I think that Michael Burnham felt I was feeling a

1248
01:07:26.719 --> 01:07:30.840
tinge of guilt because Georgio died while they were on

1249
01:07:30.920 --> 01:07:33.800
the Klingon ship and the Klingons ate her brain. And

1250
01:07:33.920 --> 01:07:35.880
I think that she felt a tinge of guilt. And

1251
01:07:35.920 --> 01:07:37.599
when she got to the Mirror Universe and had an

1252
01:07:37.599 --> 01:07:42.920
opportunity to maybe rectify that, and Georgio was in the

1253
01:07:42.960 --> 01:07:48.079
process of getting overthrown, she saw the opportunity to you know,

1254
01:07:48.639 --> 01:07:53.159
bring her back and give her a chance that redemption,

1255
01:07:53.360 --> 01:07:56.199
which which she did. So yeah, I think I think

1256
01:07:56.280 --> 01:08:04.039
she made the right choice, myself, anybody else, all right, So.

1257
01:08:04.119 --> 01:08:06.159
Well, Jim was gonna Jim was going to say the

1258
01:08:06.239 --> 01:08:09.480
same thing I watched. She was trying to redeem the

1259
01:08:09.639 --> 01:08:15.280
loss of loss of Georgio in the Prime universe and

1260
01:08:15.400 --> 01:08:17.199
when to make it up to her by bringing the

1261
01:08:17.279 --> 01:08:17.720
Mirror in.

1262
01:08:19.960 --> 01:08:20.479
Yeah, so her.

1263
01:08:20.720 --> 01:08:23.960
So Michael Burnham's motivations for bringing her back are I

1264
01:08:24.039 --> 01:08:28.159
think complicated and maybe a little bit self serving in

1265
01:08:28.279 --> 01:08:30.640
my opinion, But uh, you know, it doesn't mean it

1266
01:08:30.680 --> 01:08:32.800
was the wrong decision, and we did.

1267
01:08:32.800 --> 01:08:35.479
Get a great redemption arc for that character too, So.

1268
01:08:37.359 --> 01:08:38.920
Paul would say it was the right thing to do

1269
01:08:39.039 --> 01:08:40.840
because without it we would have had no story.

1270
01:08:42.319 --> 01:08:44.760
And yeah, there's no plot.

1271
01:08:44.840 --> 01:08:47.199
Well, I mean, it's a weird Paul question, because.

1272
01:08:46.920 --> 01:08:50.119
It's like, you know, it's it's it's not exactly like

1273
01:08:50.199 --> 01:08:53.479
an ethical conundrum or something, right that it's it's it's

1274
01:08:53.640 --> 01:08:56.079
kind of you know, well, this is what drove the

1275
01:08:56.199 --> 01:09:00.840
story because it was the plot anchor. So it's now, yeah,

1276
01:09:00.920 --> 01:09:01.880
it's a psych of course.

1277
01:09:02.840 --> 01:09:04.720
Well, we wouldn't have got to see her kick Lorca

1278
01:09:04.800 --> 01:09:07.560
in the face standing behind her either, so that was cool.

1279
01:09:07.560 --> 01:09:09.439
We do love to mention that. I know, Yeah, that

1280
01:09:09.560 --> 01:09:12.159
is an awesome scene. All right, So what's our next

1281
01:09:12.239 --> 01:09:12.800
poll question?

1282
01:09:13.000 --> 01:09:13.159
Eric?

1283
01:09:13.960 --> 01:09:18.119
In the Next Generation episode Best of Both worlds Riker

1284
01:09:18.239 --> 01:09:22.479
receives a field promotion to captain and makes Commander Shelby

1285
01:09:22.720 --> 01:09:26.000
his number one. Do you agree with his choice? And

1286
01:09:27.359 --> 01:09:30.319
a scant ninety three percent of our responders agreed with

1287
01:09:30.439 --> 01:09:33.680
this one and seven percent did not agree. And I

1288
01:09:34.039 --> 01:09:36.520
can only assume that the seven percent that did not agree,

1289
01:09:38.079 --> 01:09:41.880
you know, had some sort of personality issue with Shelby

1290
01:09:42.079 --> 01:09:43.399
for whatever reason.

1291
01:09:43.439 --> 01:09:44.319
I don't like women.

1292
01:09:45.159 --> 01:09:50.560
Similar was the smartest choice that Riker could have possibly made.

1293
01:09:50.600 --> 01:09:54.840
Not only did she have amazing knowledge of Starfleet and

1294
01:09:55.199 --> 01:09:58.000
a great strategic mind, and she's actually a pretty good engineer.

1295
01:09:59.239 --> 01:10:02.239
She's a very strong person, and I think was actually

1296
01:10:02.319 --> 01:10:06.560
a good counter to what can sometimes be Riker's uh

1297
01:10:07.560 --> 01:10:11.600
is cavalierty award, his his cavalier nature and his ability

1298
01:10:11.680 --> 01:10:13.960
to sort of like maybe go a little over the

1299
01:10:14.039 --> 01:10:16.520
top on things, and Shelby's like, dude, you got to

1300
01:10:16.520 --> 01:10:19.000
pay attention. Look look at me, Look at me. You

1301
01:10:19.079 --> 01:10:19.800
got to pay attention.

1302
01:10:20.800 --> 01:10:25.840
So I think absolutely, yes, yeah, I was under the

1303
01:10:25.880 --> 01:10:30.960
assumption that Godfleet made Riker pick Shelby a number one.

1304
01:10:31.239 --> 01:10:34.520
I thought that was I think captain's I think captains

1305
01:10:34.560 --> 01:10:37.119
always get to basically choose who their number one is,

1306
01:10:37.319 --> 01:10:40.960
or at least certainly have significant influence over that.

1307
01:10:41.399 --> 01:10:44.079
Yeah, it was. It was his choice. You had to

1308
01:10:44.159 --> 01:10:46.199
make that, right, And it makes him look good because

1309
01:10:46.239 --> 01:10:48.000
it's like, you know, it's a it's a sign of

1310
01:10:48.079 --> 01:10:51.680
strong character that you're willing to uh to choose somebody

1311
01:10:51.760 --> 01:10:55.039
that you may not like personally, but who you think

1312
01:10:55.119 --> 01:10:57.640
does a better job, right, So it's it's a it's

1313
01:10:57.640 --> 01:10:59.600
a it's a it's a good thing, right and the

1314
01:10:59.680 --> 01:11:02.439
fact and she's also kind of threatening, right because she

1315
01:11:02.600 --> 01:11:05.199
was out for his job from day one, right, So

1316
01:11:05.279 --> 01:11:07.319
there's two strokes against her. But he still went with

1317
01:11:07.439 --> 01:11:10.479
her just because he's not an insecure person and so

1318
01:11:10.640 --> 01:11:12.800
he's not you know, he's not threatened by that. So

1319
01:11:13.239 --> 01:11:15.840
it makes him it, you know, he lets to retain

1320
01:11:16.000 --> 01:11:18.119
the high ground and showing that you know, you have

1321
01:11:18.199 --> 01:11:20.800
to you know, have what it takes to uh, you know,

1322
01:11:21.159 --> 01:11:23.479
to be a good captain and to you know, make

1323
01:11:23.720 --> 01:11:26.960
make confident decisions regardless of what your personal feelings are.

1324
01:11:27.199 --> 01:11:29.800
So I think that leaves him looking pretty good.

1325
01:11:30.000 --> 01:11:33.560
So good call yep, Well, I think that uh the

1326
01:11:33.680 --> 01:11:36.920
line where Riker says, I need everybody where per card

1327
01:11:37.079 --> 01:11:40.000
always counted on you, just right, there is the reason

1328
01:11:40.039 --> 01:11:44.239
why he shouldn't have picked her, because the card he

1329
01:11:44.439 --> 01:11:48.159
knows everybody intimately. So you want to shake that up

1330
01:11:48.199 --> 01:11:50.680
a little bit, Maybe he should have had Maybe he

1331
01:11:50.680 --> 01:11:52.880
should have picked wharf. Wharf would have gone in there

1332
01:11:53.159 --> 01:11:57.279
all guns blazing, you know, or maybe data, maybe data

1333
01:11:57.319 --> 01:12:01.760
would have been more analytical about his So I think

1334
01:12:01.840 --> 01:12:04.960
that shaking things up a little bit and not giving

1335
01:12:05.560 --> 01:12:09.760
the cutest an edge might have been a better choice.

1336
01:12:10.560 --> 01:12:13.439
But that's just my own film.

1337
01:12:13.640 --> 01:12:17.439
Uncle Jim has just revealed that he was the seven

1338
01:12:17.520 --> 01:12:18.319
percent vote.

1339
01:12:18.399 --> 01:12:25.560
No there, sir, you've outed yourself on the podcast, because clearly,

1340
01:12:25.920 --> 01:12:28.600
you know, clearly that is one human being.

1341
01:12:28.880 --> 01:12:31.600
Is that seven percent? And that's seven percent?

1342
01:12:31.920 --> 01:12:32.119
Is you?

1343
01:12:32.319 --> 01:12:32.520
Sir?

1344
01:12:33.560 --> 01:12:36.319
You have Elizabeth Danahey on the podcast, so she was awesome,

1345
01:12:37.039 --> 01:12:41.640
absolutely awesome for sure. But I like to shake things

1346
01:12:41.720 --> 01:12:43.760
up a little bit. Remember I like to start Truk five.

1347
01:12:44.079 --> 01:12:46.399
So you know I'm an outlier, ill you.

1348
01:12:47.039 --> 01:12:49.880
I haven't heard that before.

1349
01:12:49.960 --> 01:12:51.079
I do not know that.

1350
01:12:51.600 --> 01:12:52.279
I go again.

1351
01:12:52.359 --> 01:12:54.600
I've got to pay more attention time.

1352
01:12:54.760 --> 01:12:56.800
That's that's what I do. I go against the grain

1353
01:12:56.880 --> 01:12:59.840
and I stand my ground. All right, guys, So that's

1354
01:12:59.880 --> 01:13:01.920
our polls for this week, and now it's time for

1355
01:13:02.079 --> 01:13:03.439
our Star Trek Birthdays.

1356
01:13:21.319 --> 01:13:23.880
That was not al song, all right.

1357
01:13:24.039 --> 01:13:26.399
Every week we start off our Star Trek Birthdays by

1358
01:13:26.479 --> 01:13:29.880
remembering those members of our Star Trek family who, sadly enough,

1359
01:13:30.399 --> 01:13:33.239
are no longer with us, and for that we turned

1360
01:13:33.279 --> 01:13:34.640
to Eric Jim.

1361
01:13:34.720 --> 01:13:36.640
This week, we're going to remember five members of our

1362
01:13:36.680 --> 01:13:39.720
Star Trek community who have gone before us. The first

1363
01:13:39.880 --> 01:13:43.560
is actor Andrew Bryne. He's the actor who played Souna

1364
01:13:43.960 --> 01:13:47.079
in the Next Generation six season episode Frame of Mind,

1365
01:13:47.479 --> 01:13:51.159
and also played Terrell in The Deep Space nine third

1366
01:13:51.239 --> 01:13:56.960
season episode Life Support. Andrew appeared often on Broadway, soaring

1367
01:13:57.000 --> 01:13:59.600
to recognition in the lead role of the Pulitzer Prize

1368
01:13:59.720 --> 01:14:05.159
win play Look Homeward Angel, and in his role in

1369
01:14:05.239 --> 01:14:09.119
the Academy Award winner movie The Miracle Worker from nineteen

1370
01:14:09.199 --> 01:14:12.359
sixty two. But he's probably best known for his role

1371
01:14:12.479 --> 01:14:15.640
as Wayne Donnelly in the television series Weird Science, and

1372
01:14:15.720 --> 01:14:19.920
for portraying Confederate General Dick Garnett in the films Gettysburg

1373
01:14:20.560 --> 01:14:23.039
and Gods and Generals.

1374
01:14:23.600 --> 01:14:24.319
But That's not it.

1375
01:14:24.760 --> 01:14:28.760
He was also in nineteen eighty three's hit NBC mini

1376
01:14:28.880 --> 01:14:33.600
series The as the evil visitor named Stephen, alongside, of course,

1377
01:14:33.680 --> 01:14:37.960
Richard Hurd and Mobil Yashima. So Andrew Prime lost just

1378
01:14:38.039 --> 01:14:40.439
a couple of years ago, back in October of twenty

1379
01:14:40.479 --> 01:14:42.359
twenty two, at the age of eighty six years old.

1380
01:14:42.960 --> 01:14:47.119
Happy birthday to Andrew. Happy birthday as well to Margaret

1381
01:14:47.520 --> 01:14:51.079
Meg Gillespie Wiley. She's the actress who played the Keeper

1382
01:14:51.319 --> 01:14:55.159
in the first pilot of the original series, That's right,

1383
01:14:55.239 --> 01:14:57.560
the one with the Big Head. Wiley had the honor

1384
01:14:57.600 --> 01:15:00.359
for portraying the very first villain to ever chronic logically

1385
01:15:00.399 --> 01:15:03.359
appear on Star Trek, and over five decades would make

1386
01:15:03.399 --> 01:15:07.119
around one hundred TV guest appearances, including shows like The

1387
01:15:07.159 --> 01:15:11.279
Twilight Zone, Untouchables, Adam's Family, and The Fugitive. She can

1388
01:15:11.319 --> 01:15:13.920
also be seen in a number of films, including Alfred

1389
01:15:14.000 --> 01:15:18.199
Hitchcock's nineteen sixty four thriller Marnie and the nineteen seventy

1390
01:15:18.239 --> 01:15:22.800
one cult action movie Vanishing Point. Happy Birthday to Meg

1391
01:15:23.000 --> 01:15:28.760
Gillespie Wiley Happy Birthday as well to actor John Bloom.

1392
01:15:29.560 --> 01:15:34.520
John Bloom was the tall, yeah extremely tall actor who

1393
01:15:34.600 --> 01:15:38.479
played the Behemoth alien in Star Trek six The Undiscovered Country.

1394
01:15:39.079 --> 01:15:43.800
John was seven foot four inches tall. He actually made

1395
01:15:44.039 --> 01:15:46.680
his feature acting debut in the nineteen seventy one B

1396
01:15:46.880 --> 01:15:51.159
horror movie Gilla Versus Frankenstein, becoming the largest actor to

1397
01:15:51.279 --> 01:15:55.479
play that legendary role of Frankenstein's monster. He followed this

1398
01:15:55.640 --> 01:15:58.239
up with appearances in several more B movie horror flicks,

1399
01:15:58.680 --> 01:16:01.359
and his first true venture from this genre was in

1400
01:16:01.479 --> 01:16:05.560
nineteen seventy five's comedy Up Your Alley. This was followed

1401
01:16:05.600 --> 01:16:08.840
in seventy nine by another horror feature, The Dark, in

1402
01:16:08.920 --> 01:16:12.640
which he played the title role. But he's been in

1403
01:16:12.760 --> 01:16:15.680
a ton of Basically, if you needed a super tall

1404
01:16:15.880 --> 01:16:20.399
dude in the late seventies or early eighties, this was

1405
01:16:20.520 --> 01:16:22.600
your guy. He was in eighty five's The Hills Have

1406
01:16:22.800 --> 01:16:27.920
Eyes to eighty four, He's eighty four's Bachelor Party, Runaway Train, Harry,

1407
01:16:27.920 --> 01:16:31.600
and the Henderson's all sorts of movies all over the place. Unfortunately,

1408
01:16:31.720 --> 01:16:34.399
like many people of his size, he died way too

1409
01:16:34.479 --> 01:16:36.760
early at the young age of fifty four years old

1410
01:16:37.039 --> 01:16:40.319
in nineteen ninety nine. John Bloom, We miss him, a

1411
01:16:40.399 --> 01:16:44.279
behemoth of a man. Happy birthday, John, Happy Birthday. As

1412
01:16:44.279 --> 01:16:47.439
well to Mars du Say. She was the Emmy Award

1413
01:16:47.520 --> 01:16:51.159
nominated actress who played Kara in the original series third

1414
01:16:51.239 --> 01:16:55.239
season episode Spock's Brain. According to an audio interview on

1415
01:16:55.319 --> 01:16:58.239
her official website, she did not watch her Star Trek

1416
01:16:58.279 --> 01:17:01.399
episode until a fan sent her as tape in the

1417
01:17:01.479 --> 01:17:05.640
nineteen nineties. She made her film debut in nineteen sixty seven,

1418
01:17:05.800 --> 01:17:09.560
portraying a or having a small role alongside Elvis Presley

1419
01:17:09.600 --> 01:17:12.039
in a little movie called clam Bake you might have

1420
01:17:12.159 --> 01:17:16.600
heard of, but she really became super popular for her

1421
01:17:16.680 --> 01:17:22.800
performances on several American daytime soap operas, including Capital, Santa Barbara,

1422
01:17:23.359 --> 01:17:26.960
Days of Our Lives, Guiding Light, and All My Children.

1423
01:17:27.079 --> 01:17:30.760
That career lasted twenty years. Soap operas for twenty years,

1424
01:17:30.920 --> 01:17:34.039
So Mars du say, I watched a lot of you

1425
01:17:34.119 --> 01:17:38.880
as a child watching soapupas with my mom. So happy

1426
01:17:38.960 --> 01:17:42.000
birthday to you, and we do miss you as well.

1427
01:17:42.800 --> 01:17:45.680
In last, but not least, on our remembrance list, I'd

1428
01:17:45.760 --> 01:17:50.039
like to say happy birthday to Patricia Smith LaSelle birth

1429
01:17:50.159 --> 01:17:53.479
name of Patricia Harlan Smith. She was the actress who

1430
01:17:53.520 --> 01:17:56.840
played the role of an old looking doctor Kingsley, the

1431
01:17:56.920 --> 01:17:59.760
young female doctor in her mid thirties turning old of

1432
01:18:00.000 --> 01:18:07.079
horse being afflicted by accelerated aging. She had several TV

1433
01:18:07.199 --> 01:18:10.319
guest appearances on shows like Studio One, My Favorite Martian,

1434
01:18:10.399 --> 01:18:14.119
Mission Impossible, and Quincy m but she was a regular

1435
01:18:14.199 --> 01:18:17.000
performer on The Debbie Reynolds Show and on The Bob

1436
01:18:17.119 --> 01:18:20.119
Newhart Show, and in nineteen seventy four, she made an

1437
01:18:20.199 --> 01:18:23.760
uncredited appearance in the unsold pilot for gen Ron Berry's

1438
01:18:23.840 --> 01:18:27.640
proposed series Planet Earth. Of course, we know that the

1439
01:18:27.720 --> 01:18:31.760
pilot also was the star Major Barrett ted Cassidy and

1440
01:18:31.920 --> 01:18:35.000
one of my favorites, Diana Muldar. She also had a

1441
01:18:35.119 --> 01:18:38.239
role in the epic nineteen seventy nine mini series Roots

1442
01:18:38.720 --> 01:18:44.159
The Next Generation. Patricia Smith. Happy birthday to you, lost

1443
01:18:44.239 --> 01:18:47.239
back in twenty eleven at the age of eighty years old,

1444
01:18:48.079 --> 01:18:50.800
and that Folks does it for our remembrances this week,

1445
01:18:50.920 --> 01:18:54.479
So I'm going to pass this flaming birthday candle back

1446
01:18:54.560 --> 01:18:55.239
over to Charles.

1447
01:18:56.640 --> 01:19:01.119
Oh, thank you, Eric, Let's turn off. Definitely one of

1448
01:19:01.199 --> 01:19:07.319
my favorites. A very happy birthday to Kirk Thatcher, associate

1449
01:19:07.399 --> 01:19:11.520
producer and Star Trek four The Voyage Home and played

1450
01:19:11.640 --> 01:19:14.560
the music blasting Punk on the Bus in the film.

1451
01:19:15.880 --> 01:19:20.319
In twenty twenty two, he returned to as his Punk

1452
01:19:20.359 --> 01:19:23.560
on the Bus character in Star Trek p Card episode

1453
01:19:23.640 --> 01:19:28.520
Watcher Beyond the Wilma. Star Trek Thatctor has worked as

1454
01:19:28.560 --> 01:19:32.399
a puppeteer, writer, and director for many projects in Jim

1455
01:19:32.560 --> 01:19:37.680
Henson's Muppets. In fact, Somebody Last Night and Star Trek

1456
01:19:37.760 --> 01:19:42.880
Club mentioned that Kathy McFadden did some work on the

1457
01:19:43.000 --> 01:19:46.960
muppets with choreography, which I think would have been interesting.

1458
01:19:49.159 --> 01:19:52.560
A very happy birthday to Actually Hughes, actress who played

1459
01:19:52.600 --> 01:19:56.760
Sabrina in Star Trek Voyder's Seventh is An Episode Endgame.

1460
01:19:59.399 --> 01:20:04.119
Another good one here. A very happy birthday to Jerry O'Connell,

1461
01:20:04.520 --> 01:20:09.119
an American actor who voiced Cammander Jack Marnson in Star

1462
01:20:09.239 --> 01:20:13.239
Trek Lower Decks. He get married to Rebecca Ramaine, who

1463
01:20:13.439 --> 01:20:17.680
played Dona Chin Riley in Star Trek Discovery, Star Trek's

1464
01:20:17.840 --> 01:20:24.199
and Strange New Worlds. Ironically, both actors portray an XO

1465
01:20:25.239 --> 01:20:31.000
in Star Trek Steven XO married to an EXO. A

1466
01:20:31.159 --> 01:20:36.640
very happy birthday to far Ta Farantar, actress have betrayed

1467
01:20:36.800 --> 01:20:42.600
Richard Rumba in Star Trek two thousand and nine and

1468
01:20:42.720 --> 01:20:47.560
then ah, another good one. Very happy birthday to Andrew Robertson,

1469
01:20:48.239 --> 01:20:52.560
actress who's best known Star Trek fan is betraying Ellen

1470
01:20:53.199 --> 01:20:59.920
Garrick in DS nine A simple tailor and if you

1471
01:21:00.119 --> 01:21:01.399
really want to hear some bits.

1472
01:21:01.279 --> 01:21:01.760
Good work.

1473
01:21:02.920 --> 01:21:05.479
Newly did he write the book A stitch in time?

1474
01:21:06.399 --> 01:21:09.479
He did the audio. He near rated the audio version

1475
01:21:09.600 --> 01:21:13.279
of that book also, and that book is definitely worth

1476
01:21:13.359 --> 01:21:17.560
hearing in his voice. Now, I'm going to pass his

1477
01:21:17.680 --> 01:21:21.920
flaming candle that sort of burning on both ends.

1478
01:21:21.760 --> 01:21:23.079
But I'll pass her to Paul.

1479
01:21:24.840 --> 01:21:28.119
Thanks Charles. Yeah, Andrew Robinson, he's awesome. I don't know

1480
01:21:28.840 --> 01:21:31.159
how many folks how long it's been since you watch

1481
01:21:31.199 --> 01:21:34.880
your original Dirty Harry with Clint Eastwood. I'm just thinking

1482
01:21:34.960 --> 01:21:38.279
about that because it's getting a four K release next month.

1483
01:21:38.760 --> 01:21:42.640
I'm pretty sure April one or the other. But Andie

1484
01:21:42.680 --> 01:21:46.840
Robinson was like the zodiacular in that original Dirty Harry movie,

1485
01:21:46.880 --> 01:21:49.199
and he is scary as hell. It's just he really

1486
01:21:49.239 --> 01:21:52.439
went out there and and you know, was willing to

1487
01:21:52.479 --> 01:21:53.600
look really unlikable.

1488
01:21:54.600 --> 01:21:57.279
The story was, once he did that dirty hairy roll,

1489
01:21:57.680 --> 01:21:59.399
it was hard for him for a while to get

1490
01:21:59.439 --> 01:22:03.079
a role. To get you played the role.

1491
01:22:03.039 --> 01:22:05.960
Too, well. Yeah, It's just this is like you know,

1492
01:22:06.520 --> 01:22:09.119
our guest just previously and Jonathan talked about, oh you

1493
01:22:09.560 --> 01:22:11.199
they just wanted me to come into the room and

1494
01:22:11.279 --> 01:22:13.479
look at me, right, you know, for you know, the

1495
01:22:13.920 --> 01:22:14.960
Star Trek five audition.

1496
01:22:15.079 --> 01:22:15.199
Right.

1497
01:22:15.279 --> 01:22:17.239
I think it was one of those moments if Andy

1498
01:22:17.319 --> 01:22:19.479
Robinson walks in the room back then, right, they're like,

1499
01:22:20.239 --> 01:22:22.840
you know, I mean he was really just intense. I

1500
01:22:22.880 --> 01:22:24.680
mean it was really intense in that movie, so it

1501
01:22:24.800 --> 01:22:26.680
was probably cost him a lot of work. But how

1502
01:22:26.720 --> 01:22:31.159
great that he built this tremendous second half career, you know,

1503
01:22:31.600 --> 01:22:34.159
and especially on Star Trek. He was just you know,

1504
01:22:34.279 --> 01:22:38.680
he did so much with that role, so much. I mean,

1505
01:22:38.760 --> 01:22:41.279
he's a villain, he's a good guy. I mean, he's

1506
01:22:41.359 --> 01:22:43.960
just it's a great character. And he found all these

1507
01:22:44.000 --> 01:22:47.399
different nuances to play him in, uh, you know, from

1508
01:22:47.560 --> 01:22:51.560
year after year of year. Just a remarkable performer. Happy

1509
01:22:51.600 --> 01:22:57.640
birthday to Sherry Jackson. I love my Original series episodes

1510
01:22:57.840 --> 01:23:02.039
like There's No Tomorrow and going back to season one,

1511
01:23:02.920 --> 01:23:06.600
I think one of the greatest, you know, seminal episodes,

1512
01:23:06.960 --> 01:23:08.199
what are the Little Girls Made Of?

1513
01:23:08.399 --> 01:23:08.520
Right?

1514
01:23:08.640 --> 01:23:13.439
The first real android appearance on Star Trek, and Sherry

1515
01:23:13.600 --> 01:23:18.600
Jackson played Andrea Right, who is deceptively the way she

1516
01:23:18.760 --> 01:23:22.079
looks until you find out what's really going on underneath.

1517
01:23:22.439 --> 01:23:26.880
Great performance, really unnerveck, I thought, really really cool. So

1518
01:23:27.039 --> 01:23:32.560
Happy birthday to you, Sherry Jackson. Happy birthday. I guess

1519
01:23:32.600 --> 01:23:34.840
we'll just keep it up with the original series here.

1520
01:23:34.920 --> 01:23:39.800
Happy Birthday. Did David Frankum David Frankham in the third

1521
01:23:39.880 --> 01:23:43.840
season original series episode is There in Truth No Beauty

1522
01:23:44.439 --> 01:23:50.119
played Larry Marvick in that third season episode there, very

1523
01:23:50.199 --> 01:23:56.199
cool episode. The first time we get reference to the Medusins, okay,

1524
01:23:56.720 --> 01:23:59.600
was in that episode, Very very cool if you haven't

1525
01:23:59.600 --> 01:24:02.760
seen it while. And it's a good performance, really really

1526
01:24:02.800 --> 01:24:05.319
good performance from David Frankum there. He's just great, so

1527
01:24:05.560 --> 01:24:09.720
very very cool, and we're just going to keep this

1528
01:24:09.920 --> 01:24:13.840
original series train rollin here, friends, because I guess I

1529
01:24:13.960 --> 01:24:16.960
just drew a bunch of aces this week, which is

1530
01:24:17.159 --> 01:24:22.760
just great. Happy birthday to Andrea Drome, former actress and

1531
01:24:22.880 --> 01:24:27.960
model who played Yeoman Smith, going all the way back

1532
01:24:28.079 --> 01:24:32.720
to that original series first season second pilot if you Will,

1533
01:24:33.319 --> 01:24:37.000
where no man has gone before, kind of a precursor

1534
01:24:37.159 --> 01:24:40.319
to the Yeoman Rands character, if you will, right, but

1535
01:24:41.239 --> 01:24:45.760
very memorably portrayed. She's the one who's taken comfort from

1536
01:24:45.800 --> 01:24:47.800
Gary Mitchell there at the Helm as they crossed the

1537
01:24:47.880 --> 01:24:52.560
Galaxy's edge barrier. So very exciting stuff. But happy birthday

1538
01:24:52.640 --> 01:24:56.399
to you, Andrea Drome. And a couple of luminaries coming

1539
01:24:56.479 --> 01:24:58.920
down the road here. First of all, big fan of

1540
01:24:58.960 --> 01:25:03.920
this guy. Happy birthday to the great Simon Pegg Okay,

1541
01:25:04.039 --> 01:25:07.680
the hilarious Simon Pegg, who we of course are acknowledging

1542
01:25:09.079 --> 01:25:13.079
for his work as Montgomery Scott in All of the

1543
01:25:13.600 --> 01:25:17.239
jj Vers Star Trek Film, Star Trek, Star Trek Into Darkness,

1544
01:25:17.439 --> 01:25:22.880
Star Trek Beyond. Will there be another movie featuring that

1545
01:25:23.079 --> 01:25:26.880
same group of characters to be still up in the air.

1546
01:25:26.960 --> 01:25:31.359
We still don't really know, but some great great work

1547
01:25:32.800 --> 01:25:36.479
from Simon Peg. I envy anybody who has not seen

1548
01:25:38.359 --> 01:25:44.119
the fantastic series of films that Edgar Wright has made

1549
01:25:44.720 --> 01:25:48.039
that get referred to as the Cornetto trilogy, right, which

1550
01:25:49.520 --> 01:25:51.800
brilliantly began with Sean of the Dead, one of the

1551
01:25:51.880 --> 01:25:54.800
funniest movies you will ever in your life see. I

1552
01:25:55.000 --> 01:25:58.119
just love that picture. And then they follow that up

1553
01:25:58.159 --> 01:26:00.920
with another winner, Hot Fuck, which is like one of

1554
01:26:01.000 --> 01:26:03.760
the greatest parodies of action movies I will ever see,

1555
01:26:03.880 --> 01:26:09.680
and he is just hysterical. Simon Pegg is in Hot Fuzz.

1556
01:26:09.760 --> 01:26:11.840
He's in practically every scene in the movie, and he's

1557
01:26:11.960 --> 01:26:14.000
just like cranking it up to eleven the whole time.

1558
01:26:14.439 --> 01:26:17.359
He's great, and you'll be seeing him in just a

1559
01:26:17.439 --> 01:26:22.079
couple more months because we also have Simon Pegg is

1560
01:26:22.079 --> 01:26:25.439
a recurring cast member in the Mission Impossible film series

1561
01:26:25.479 --> 01:26:28.840
with Tom Cruise where he pays Benji Dunn. And they

1562
01:26:28.920 --> 01:26:31.439
got another one coming to close out that film series

1563
01:26:31.520 --> 01:26:35.079
this May, which looks fantastic. So always cool. Simon Peg

1564
01:26:35.239 --> 01:26:37.880
gets a lot of good work and is always delivers

1565
01:26:37.920 --> 01:26:40.680
a good So happy birthday to you, sir. We're big

1566
01:26:40.760 --> 01:26:45.560
fans of you here on the show. And I gotta

1567
01:26:45.640 --> 01:26:48.439
just say one of the greats, one of the all

1568
01:26:48.520 --> 01:26:53.600
time greats, the absolutely magnificent, wonderful eman being that is

1569
01:26:53.960 --> 01:26:59.199
LeVar Burton friends, who of course we know for playing

1570
01:26:59.239 --> 01:27:04.560
Geordie LaForge all throughout Star Trek the Next Generations since

1571
01:27:04.680 --> 01:27:07.479
higher seven year run, but also played the same character

1572
01:27:07.640 --> 01:27:12.079
in at least four Next Generation feature films that I

1573
01:27:12.119 --> 01:27:15.840
can think of, and Voyager episode Timeless as well, which

1574
01:27:15.880 --> 01:27:20.119
he also directed and also brought the character back for

1575
01:27:20.279 --> 01:27:24.399
Star Trek. But cards so really amazing. Has done quite

1576
01:27:24.399 --> 01:27:28.199
a bit of episode directing as well on Next Gen,

1577
01:27:29.279 --> 01:27:34.199
several episodes of Deep Space nine, Voyager Enterprise. But this

1578
01:27:34.399 --> 01:27:38.319
is one of the class acts of the industry, right,

1579
01:27:38.439 --> 01:27:46.239
I mean, just absolutely amazing roots okay, which basically you know,

1580
01:27:46.479 --> 01:27:51.119
stopped contemporary television in its tracks for the nights that

1581
01:27:51.239 --> 01:27:53.359
it was on the back in the day, which is

1582
01:27:53.439 --> 01:27:57.640
going way back, dating ourselves all the way back here,

1583
01:27:57.760 --> 01:28:02.199
because I mean original year for roots is what nineteen

1584
01:28:02.319 --> 01:28:04.880
seventy seven. I think you know, some of us might

1585
01:28:04.920 --> 01:28:07.359
have still been in high school at the time, but

1586
01:28:08.079 --> 01:28:13.079
you know, I mean phenomenal work there reading Rainbow of course,

1587
01:28:13.119 --> 01:28:16.640
where I think he influenced a generation after generation of

1588
01:28:16.720 --> 01:28:21.680
young young readers coming up. It's done, just a ton

1589
01:28:22.439 --> 01:28:25.560
of work, and it is a real bright light in

1590
01:28:25.720 --> 01:28:34.840
terms of ethical, unfiltered, honest behavior across social media. We

1591
01:28:35.079 --> 01:28:39.520
need more LeVar Burtons in this world, if you want

1592
01:28:39.600 --> 01:28:42.039
my opinion, I think he's just a wonderful person and

1593
01:28:42.920 --> 01:28:47.079
has always stood for things of value. So we salute you,

1594
01:28:47.439 --> 01:28:51.319
LeVar Burton. If you ever have a spare night you're

1595
01:28:51.359 --> 01:28:53.720
not doing anything for a couple hours, how about coming

1596
01:28:53.760 --> 01:28:57.359
on this show, Oh man, that would be something and

1597
01:28:57.479 --> 01:28:59.600
letting us just gush over you for a couple of

1598
01:28:59.720 --> 01:29:03.239
hours and tell some stories. Is only you can tell them,

1599
01:29:03.319 --> 01:29:06.680
because here you will find a home where you are appreciated, sir,

1600
01:29:06.880 --> 01:29:10.159
and we have reverence for your work and hope you

1601
01:29:10.199 --> 01:29:13.560
see a lot more of it. So happy birthday, and

1602
01:29:13.680 --> 01:29:16.159
many many more to the great LeVar Burton. And with that,

1603
01:29:16.399 --> 01:29:19.680
I believe my list has reached an end. And so

1604
01:29:20.159 --> 01:29:23.680
this is the time where you basically pour a bunch

1605
01:29:23.720 --> 01:29:25.920
of one fifty one rum on your bat list, set

1606
01:29:25.960 --> 01:29:28.079
it on fire, and toss it across the room to

1607
01:29:28.239 --> 01:29:29.960
Uncle Jim's why.

1608
01:29:29.880 --> 01:29:32.039
Thank you, Paul. I do have a couple of Klingons

1609
01:29:32.079 --> 01:29:34.960
on my list, Oddly enough, I know that's hard to believe.

1610
01:29:36.680 --> 01:29:39.359
The first one is from Star Trek six, by the way,

1611
01:29:40.000 --> 01:29:42.159
and we are going to be talking to a Klingon

1612
01:29:42.760 --> 01:29:46.159
from Star Trek six next week on the podcast. So

1613
01:29:46.880 --> 01:29:48.600
you guys want to go out and watch Star Trek

1614
01:29:48.760 --> 01:29:51.279
six and then go to truck talkin dot com and

1615
01:29:51.399 --> 01:29:54.680
leave us your questions. So the first Klingon on my

1616
01:29:54.800 --> 01:29:59.840
list is Matthias Hughes. He played General Stecks in Star

1617
01:30:00.119 --> 01:30:03.920
Trek six The Undiscovered Country and there he is right

1618
01:30:04.000 --> 01:30:09.560
there on the screen. Happy birthday and kapla, sa Matthias Hughes.

1619
01:30:10.319 --> 01:30:13.279
We also want to say happy birthday and kapla to

1620
01:30:13.560 --> 01:30:16.960
Nancy Young Blunt. She's the actor who played Toleen in

1621
01:30:17.079 --> 01:30:21.880
Voyager third season episode Displaced. But I'm mentioning her here

1622
01:30:22.359 --> 01:30:25.399
because she played Kolana in the DS nine seventh season

1623
01:30:25.479 --> 01:30:30.760
episode Once More Onto the Breach, and there she is

1624
01:30:30.880 --> 01:30:35.239
right there as a klingon. So couplaw, and happy birthday

1625
01:30:35.600 --> 01:30:39.560
to Nancy young Blood. And last on my list, not

1626
01:30:39.720 --> 01:30:44.119
a klingon. We want to say happy birthday to Zach Gilligan.

1627
01:30:45.239 --> 01:30:47.760
He played David Gentry in the Star Trek Voyager fifth

1628
01:30:47.800 --> 01:30:51.479
season episode in the Flesh, but I think he's best

1629
01:30:51.600 --> 01:30:55.920
known there he is as Billy from the Gremlins one

1630
01:30:56.079 --> 01:30:59.039
and Gremlin's two with Gizmo. And there he is with

1631
01:30:59.239 --> 01:31:04.640
little Gizmo. Happy birthday to Zach Gallagan. And that, my friends,

1632
01:31:05.039 --> 01:31:09.399
wraps up our Star Trek birthday. And now it's time

1633
01:31:09.520 --> 01:31:10.880
for some Star Trek news.

1634
01:31:12.159 --> 01:31:15.760
Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on Secure channel.

1635
01:31:16.720 --> 01:31:22.279
Incoming transmission enter authorization code, command codes verified.

1636
01:31:23.279 --> 01:31:29.399
Define parameters of program level nine authorization required, specifying parameters.

1637
01:31:30.840 --> 01:31:35.960
Transfer updata is complete. A blank alert, A blank alert.

1638
01:31:36.800 --> 01:31:39.680
All right, Eric gets our first Star Trek news story,

1639
01:31:39.840 --> 01:31:42.279
So take it away, Eric Jim.

1640
01:31:42.319 --> 01:31:44.800
I'm excited to talk about this story, not only to

1641
01:31:44.880 --> 01:31:47.039
read it, but to chat about it a little bit afterwards.

1642
01:31:47.119 --> 01:31:51.079
The Star Trek franchise has made two point six billion

1643
01:31:51.199 --> 01:31:55.840
dollars for streaming services. Star Trek Section thirty one premiere

1644
01:31:55.880 --> 01:31:59.560
to on January twenty fourth on Peramount Plus. Originally planned

1645
01:31:59.640 --> 01:32:02.079
as a spinoff series from Star Trek Discovery, it was

1646
01:32:02.159 --> 01:32:05.079
reimagined as a movie to be released on Paramount Plus,

1647
01:32:05.680 --> 01:32:08.640
making this the first Star Trek movie to premiere since

1648
01:32:08.680 --> 01:32:13.760
Star Trek Beyond in twenty sixteen. Parrot Analytics streaming economic

1649
01:32:13.880 --> 01:32:17.520
system shows how the long running Star Trek franchise has

1650
01:32:17.600 --> 01:32:21.399
been a reliable money maker not only for Paramount Plus,

1651
01:32:21.520 --> 01:32:25.279
but other streaming platforms around the globe. From quarter one,

1652
01:32:25.439 --> 01:32:30.079
twenty twenty until quarter three twenty twenty four, our model

1653
01:32:30.239 --> 01:32:33.119
estimates that shows and movies in the Star Trek franchise

1654
01:32:33.159 --> 01:32:36.439
have generated over two point six billion dollars in subscriber

1655
01:32:36.560 --> 01:32:40.920
revenue for major streamers globally. Star Trek Media is soaring

1656
01:32:41.000 --> 01:32:43.399
to new heights in a medium that other shows and

1657
01:32:43.520 --> 01:32:48.199
movies can often struggle to find success in money success

1658
01:32:48.439 --> 01:32:53.199
on streaming platforms like Netflix, Prime and Hulu is not guaranteed,

1659
01:32:53.600 --> 01:32:55.960
so the high numbers the Star Trek franchise has been

1660
01:32:56.000 --> 01:32:59.520
able to amass over the last four years is impressive,

1661
01:33:00.039 --> 01:33:02.920
to say the least. Now, I don't have any sort

1662
01:33:02.960 --> 01:33:05.479
of context for this. I don't know how that compares

1663
01:33:05.560 --> 01:33:10.119
to other shows or other franchises. For example, you know

1664
01:33:10.439 --> 01:33:13.279
how much money has Star Wars earned streaming platforms over

1665
01:33:13.279 --> 01:33:15.800
the last four years or so. But what I will

1666
01:33:15.880 --> 01:33:17.800
say is two point six billion dollars sounds like a

1667
01:33:17.840 --> 01:33:21.720
lot of money to me, and it makes me wonder why,

1668
01:33:23.279 --> 01:33:25.359
you know, why they don't ride that out as much

1669
01:33:25.359 --> 01:33:29.800
as possible, giving us, you know, for example, more seasons

1670
01:33:29.840 --> 01:33:34.560
of lower decks, or for example, not selling the Prodigy franchise,

1671
01:33:35.199 --> 01:33:38.359
or you know, little things like this seems to me like,

1672
01:33:38.520 --> 01:33:41.199
not only is Star Trek awesome, but it's also a

1673
01:33:41.279 --> 01:33:45.039
successful money maker. So I don't know there's two point

1674
01:33:45.039 --> 01:33:46.600
six billion dollars a lot of money anymore.

1675
01:33:46.680 --> 01:33:49.840
I can't tell it's a good chunk. But I think

1676
01:33:50.439 --> 01:33:53.079
I think what they I mean. It's it's hard to

1677
01:33:53.159 --> 01:33:55.760
saving on the outside, right, because we can only really

1678
01:33:55.880 --> 01:33:59.159
just make assumptions, right, But I think that it seems

1679
01:33:59.199 --> 01:34:01.800
to me what they're doing is they're trying to consolidate

1680
01:34:01.880 --> 01:34:05.319
their eggs in you know, one bigger basket is the

1681
01:34:05.359 --> 01:34:07.640
impression I get, right, I mean, you know, I think

1682
01:34:07.680 --> 01:34:13.239
it's a really good sign that they are doing what

1683
01:34:13.319 --> 01:34:16.319
they're doing with Starfleet Academy. I mean, I can't say,

1684
01:34:16.479 --> 01:34:18.600
for you know, speak to the quality to show yet,

1685
01:34:18.640 --> 01:34:21.520
but just the fact that they're you know, saying, Okay,

1686
01:34:21.680 --> 01:34:26.520
we're going to sort of siphon off some characters from Discovery, right,

1687
01:34:27.039 --> 01:34:29.680
and it's kind of in that same universe, but we're

1688
01:34:29.720 --> 01:34:33.079
going to hire like really expensive a list talent, right,

1689
01:34:33.199 --> 01:34:37.119
I mean, you know, Holly Hunter. I mean, that's amazing, right,

1690
01:34:37.319 --> 01:34:40.159
And they've got a pretty good cast put together there,

1691
01:34:40.239 --> 01:34:43.319
and a couple of familiar faces from you know, different aspects.

1692
01:34:43.399 --> 01:34:46.319
I think that bodes well. And I think they've already

1693
01:34:46.399 --> 01:34:48.760
renewed Strange in Worlds for a fourth season. I'm pretty

1694
01:34:48.760 --> 01:34:51.520
sure beyond what we've already seen. So, I mean, I

1695
01:34:51.600 --> 01:34:55.159
think they're willing to really bet on those tent poles

1696
01:34:55.319 --> 01:34:58.119
to really cold things together long term, and I think

1697
01:34:58.159 --> 01:35:00.680
they're cutting off the ones that they don't and perform

1698
01:35:00.960 --> 01:35:05.680
as well. It's a weird choice, you know, in some ways,

1699
01:35:05.800 --> 01:35:09.760
just too you'd think that given the perception the Discovery has,

1700
01:35:10.640 --> 01:35:14.960
you know, I was kind of like frankly surprised that

1701
01:35:15.079 --> 01:35:18.439
they would continue to use Discovery characters to launch a

1702
01:35:18.520 --> 01:35:20.960
new show, right. Tilly in particular is kind of an odd,

1703
01:35:21.359 --> 01:35:24.319
surprising choice, given that she's not exactly you know, I

1704
01:35:24.680 --> 01:35:28.600
think she's fine, but there's a rancorous aspect of the

1705
01:35:28.640 --> 01:35:31.119
fan community that's not super high on her, right, So

1706
01:35:31.239 --> 01:35:33.600
it's kind of a bold choice to continue on with

1707
01:35:33.680 --> 01:35:37.720
some of those characters, you know. So we'll see what happens, right,

1708
01:35:37.920 --> 01:35:40.800
I mean, but I think they figure, you know, I

1709
01:35:40.880 --> 01:35:44.279
think it's easy they make weird choices over there at Paramount,

1710
01:35:44.279 --> 01:35:46.079
and I think that it's probably easier for them say, oh,

1711
01:35:46.560 --> 01:35:50.600
lower decks Prodigy, that's kid stuff, right, and let's just

1712
01:35:50.600 --> 01:35:52.319
get rid of that. And I think a lot of

1713
01:35:52.399 --> 01:35:56.119
times the executives making these decisions don't intimately know the material,

1714
01:35:56.600 --> 01:35:58.159
all right, They just looking at the bottom line.

1715
01:35:58.880 --> 01:36:01.399
Yeah, I think to go on that shit. Theory is

1716
01:36:01.560 --> 01:36:05.159
that they may have made that much money, but they

1717
01:36:05.279 --> 01:36:09.079
probably spend most of that just making new shows and

1718
01:36:09.439 --> 01:36:15.560
hiring actors like polishing. So I think, yes, two points

1719
01:36:15.680 --> 01:36:18.760
what six billion is a lot of money, but just

1720
01:36:18.840 --> 01:36:23.840
imagine how much they're actually spending every year. So that's

1721
01:36:23.880 --> 01:36:24.680
my take on that.

1722
01:36:25.079 --> 01:36:26.880
Yeah, I mean they've that's mean and you have to

1723
01:36:26.920 --> 01:36:28.800
break it down. It's like, that's the number they gave us,

1724
01:36:28.840 --> 01:36:31.680
but does that represent your profit? Is that factor in

1725
01:36:31.720 --> 01:36:34.640
production costs and marketing and all those things like that?

1726
01:36:34.880 --> 01:36:37.199
We don't really know, right, It's just they release a

1727
01:36:37.279 --> 01:36:40.039
number that sounds good. But but when you break it apart,

1728
01:36:40.279 --> 01:36:42.680
like what is it actually saying to us?

1729
01:36:42.880 --> 01:36:43.000
Right?

1730
01:36:43.119 --> 01:36:45.439
And how does it you know, you want to sort

1731
01:36:45.479 --> 01:36:48.720
of see it, like you know, Eric was implying, right, like, okay,

1732
01:36:48.840 --> 01:36:52.600
holding me up Mandalorian season by season? You know, what

1733
01:36:52.720 --> 01:36:55.479
are the equivalent numbers for a show like that, right,

1734
01:36:55.680 --> 01:36:59.960
for like a show like you know Penguin that Jonathan

1735
01:37:00.159 --> 01:37:03.319
was talking about on HBO, right, which is an amazing performance.

1736
01:37:03.560 --> 01:37:05.920
He's absolutely right, it's just unbelievable. If you haven't checked

1737
01:37:05.920 --> 01:37:08.600
it out yet, it's just nuts. But yeah, it's just

1738
01:37:08.680 --> 01:37:10.439
so I don't know what it means really, but it's

1739
01:37:10.520 --> 01:37:14.800
just you know, they're still going but I I, you know,

1740
01:37:15.079 --> 01:37:17.039
well it's too early to say. You know, we're going

1741
01:37:17.119 --> 01:37:19.520
to get some strange new worlds. And I have a

1742
01:37:19.560 --> 01:37:21.199
lot of faith that that will be a crowd pleaser

1743
01:37:21.279 --> 01:37:24.239
because just because they got renewed so quick, you know,

1744
01:37:24.560 --> 01:37:27.119
they didn't wait until the premiere of season three to

1745
01:37:27.239 --> 01:37:30.720
renew it. They renewed it right away. You know, Starfleet

1746
01:37:30.760 --> 01:37:33.279
Academy too soon to say, friends, we don't know yet

1747
01:37:33.319 --> 01:37:35.600
until we've seen it, how that's going to do. You know,

1748
01:37:35.760 --> 01:37:38.960
optimistic though, because you know, they got some they got

1749
01:37:39.000 --> 01:37:40.640
some They got some big hitters on that.

1750
01:37:40.760 --> 01:37:43.199
Cast well, and I hope they just continue to push

1751
01:37:43.279 --> 01:37:45.880
the ball forward, you know. I uh, as much as

1752
01:37:46.039 --> 01:37:48.760
I love Star Trek from the nineties and the two

1753
01:37:48.840 --> 01:37:51.319
thousands and all that sort of stuff, you know, there's

1754
01:37:51.359 --> 01:37:54.199
no denying that those three shows that were available at

1755
01:37:54.239 --> 01:37:56.560
that time all have a very similar flavor to them.

1756
01:37:56.600 --> 01:38:01.239
And I'm not sure that they pushed the the envelope much,

1757
01:38:01.319 --> 01:38:03.039
you know. I mean, they're all fantastic and there's some

1758
01:38:03.159 --> 01:38:06.159
great storytelling in there. I felt like Star Trek Discovery

1759
01:38:06.279 --> 01:38:09.520
really pushed the envelope and you know, took some risks,

1760
01:38:10.279 --> 01:38:12.720
and I still believe in twenty years people will see

1761
01:38:12.720 --> 01:38:16.039
it differently than they see it now. I feel like

1762
01:38:16.119 --> 01:38:18.960
Lower Decks, you know, took some risks, gave us our

1763
01:38:19.000 --> 01:38:22.039
first real animated show that kind of was made for adults.

1764
01:38:22.119 --> 01:38:24.560
For Star Trek, everybody was like, how can you make

1765
01:38:24.600 --> 01:38:27.159
a comedy about star Trek? Well they did it. They

1766
01:38:27.239 --> 01:38:30.199
did it really well. So I'm hoping that Starfleet Academy

1767
01:38:30.279 --> 01:38:32.079
and shows beyond there kind of start to push the

1768
01:38:32.159 --> 01:38:38.000
limits even more. Strange New Worlds to me, feels so familiar.

1769
01:38:38.079 --> 01:38:39.279
I think that's why people love it.

1770
01:38:39.439 --> 01:38:39.600
You know.

1771
01:38:39.760 --> 01:38:42.840
It doesn't doesn't feel limit pushing to me right now.

1772
01:38:43.159 --> 01:38:45.039
But maybe maybe it'll become that way.

1773
01:38:45.039 --> 01:38:45.359
I don't know.

1774
01:38:45.520 --> 01:38:50.279
Yeah, but it's it's like, what did Jonathan just say

1775
01:38:50.279 --> 01:38:51.720
our guest a few minutes ago, right, and he was

1776
01:38:51.760 --> 01:38:53.199
talking about what do you what do you like? When

1777
01:38:53.279 --> 01:38:54.720
Jim asked him, right, you know, what do you what

1778
01:38:54.760 --> 01:38:57.239
do you take away from you know, the fan community? Right?

1779
01:38:57.319 --> 01:38:59.760
And he deserved on the fact that people find it

1780
01:38:59.840 --> 01:39:02.600
very comforting. Yeah, right. You know It's it's like if

1781
01:39:02.640 --> 01:39:05.840
you're going through a hard time, right, I do it. Right.

1782
01:39:05.920 --> 01:39:08.359
If I'm going through like where like the world isn't crazy,

1783
01:39:08.479 --> 01:39:10.840
I'm going to go watch a original series episode or.

1784
01:39:10.880 --> 01:39:13.960
Next jen episode, the Final Frontier exactly.

1785
01:39:14.039 --> 01:39:16.119
We all have the things that we gravitate towards, right,

1786
01:39:16.279 --> 01:39:19.279
And it's like, Okay, I have certain feelings I got

1787
01:39:19.359 --> 01:39:22.920
when I watch that I still get those feelings when

1788
01:39:22.960 --> 01:39:24.560
I watch that stuff. It's great, but like you know,

1789
01:39:24.760 --> 01:39:29.840
like Eric is saying, right, deep Space nine to a

1790
01:39:29.920 --> 01:39:34.119
lesser degree voyager to a way lesser degree enterprise, they're

1791
01:39:34.439 --> 01:39:38.079
very much adhering to the formula that next gen is

1792
01:39:38.119 --> 01:39:40.720
set in place, especially Deep Space nine. I think Deep

1793
01:39:40.760 --> 01:39:44.000
Space nine push harder against the edge of those formula.

1794
01:39:45.479 --> 01:39:47.720
You know, they're saying, let's make more episodes like roll

1795
01:39:47.840 --> 01:39:50.760
erin all right, I mean, I think that's what you know,

1796
01:39:51.159 --> 01:39:54.000
the ethos that Deep Space nine had. But you know

1797
01:39:54.640 --> 01:39:57.439
what's next, right, We don't want to keep seeing iterations

1798
01:39:57.479 --> 01:40:02.760
of strange new worlds forever, iterations of you know, discovery forever, please, right,

1799
01:40:02.920 --> 01:40:07.560
not in the cookie cutter way that you know that

1800
01:40:07.680 --> 01:40:10.479
sometimes we see something fresh, a fresh point of view

1801
01:40:11.039 --> 01:40:13.359
where it doesn't look like something we've seen before, right,

1802
01:40:13.520 --> 01:40:16.000
I think that's what you know. I'm with Eric there.

1803
01:40:16.039 --> 01:40:17.760
I'd love to see something from a new set of

1804
01:40:18.159 --> 01:40:21.720
creative folks that has a different perspective and feels a

1805
01:40:21.760 --> 01:40:22.840
little bit raw.

1806
01:40:23.520 --> 01:40:26.560
The people at Paramount made a big mistake because when

1807
01:40:26.840 --> 01:40:30.560
when CBS All Access first came out, which is what

1808
01:40:30.720 --> 01:40:34.000
it was before it was Paramount plus remember, guys, they

1809
01:40:34.079 --> 01:40:37.159
told us new Star Trek every Thursday. I remember that promise.

1810
01:40:38.199 --> 01:40:40.680
We never quite got there. I think we got forty

1811
01:40:40.720 --> 01:40:43.279
eight weeks in a row of new Star Treks once

1812
01:40:44.600 --> 01:40:50.119
only once. And I think that they they started cutting

1813
01:40:50.239 --> 01:40:54.000
shows without thinking about what they were doing. They should

1814
01:40:54.039 --> 01:40:57.600
have staggered them more because I think, you know, how

1815
01:40:57.680 --> 01:40:59.760
long have we waited for Strange New Worlds a year

1816
01:40:59.760 --> 01:41:03.680
and a half, two years for the next season, and

1817
01:41:04.600 --> 01:41:07.640
Starfleet Academy we might see at the end of twenty

1818
01:41:07.720 --> 01:41:10.439
twenty five, the beginning of twenty twenty six, and that's

1819
01:41:10.439 --> 01:41:12.800
it for Star Trek. And I think they could have

1820
01:41:12.920 --> 01:41:16.920
staggered things a little bit. They didn't have to cancel well,

1821
01:41:16.920 --> 01:41:18.520
they didn't have to do what they did to Prodigy.

1822
01:41:18.800 --> 01:41:22.039
They didn't have to cancel lower decks, they didn't have

1823
01:41:22.279 --> 01:41:23.359
to cancel Discovery.

1824
01:41:23.760 --> 01:41:23.880
Uh.

1825
01:41:23.920 --> 01:41:26.239
They just went on a spree and just cut everything

1826
01:41:26.279 --> 01:41:30.239
without looking at the bigger picture and maybe stretching it

1827
01:41:30.279 --> 01:41:33.640
out a little bit so that Star Trek fans had something.

1828
01:41:34.319 --> 01:41:37.880
And maybe they were yeah, maybe they were under contract.

1829
01:41:37.960 --> 01:41:40.399
That'sh why they kind of stopped and had to get

1830
01:41:40.520 --> 01:41:41.239
rid of Prodigy.

1831
01:41:42.399 --> 01:41:44.000
I don't know, it makes no sense to me.

1832
01:41:44.239 --> 01:41:46.239
Yeah, well, I know is I'm happy to go without

1833
01:41:46.399 --> 01:41:48.840
for like six months or eight months, right, because I

1834
01:41:48.840 --> 01:41:51.039
don't want Star Trek to have to be on every

1835
01:41:51.119 --> 01:41:54.840
week if it's if it's not good, right, if it's

1836
01:41:54.960 --> 01:41:59.239
mediocre episodes and filler writing, I don't want it. I'd

1837
01:41:59.319 --> 01:42:02.159
rather I'd rather have like, you know, less episodes per season.

1838
01:42:02.600 --> 01:42:05.640
Give me five episodes a season if they're really kick

1839
01:42:05.680 --> 01:42:08.279
ass and good, right, But I don't want like fifteen

1840
01:42:08.399 --> 01:42:11.399
twenty episodes of TV per season when you know two

1841
01:42:11.479 --> 01:42:15.600
thirds of them suck and are unmemorable. I don't. I'm like,

1842
01:42:15.840 --> 01:42:19.600
you know less, Better make me wait, make me wait

1843
01:42:19.680 --> 01:42:22.000
two years, and then give me a really good season

1844
01:42:22.239 --> 01:42:25.199
of like six episodes. I'll be way happier than if

1845
01:42:25.199 --> 01:42:28.560
I get you know, Star Trek every Thursday for three years.

1846
01:42:28.640 --> 01:42:31.039
And I can't even remember half of those episodes because

1847
01:42:31.039 --> 01:42:33.000
they were kind of just you know, cranking them out

1848
01:42:33.520 --> 01:42:36.479
sausage style. So we always better to wait.

1849
01:42:37.079 --> 01:42:39.920
You've got our next story here, So all right, doc.

1850
01:42:40.720 --> 01:42:43.600
Let's talk about new stuff because we were just chatting

1851
01:42:44.000 --> 01:42:47.760
strange new worlds, right, and we'll find out where it's

1852
01:42:47.800 --> 01:42:50.760
all pointing towards at least as far am from a

1853
01:42:51.800 --> 01:42:55.439
in your closet perspective. Right after season three of Star

1854
01:42:55.520 --> 01:42:58.279
Trek Strange New Worlds, which is yet to air, let's

1855
01:42:58.319 --> 01:43:00.880
put our context in here. The next new series in

1856
01:43:00.920 --> 01:43:05.720
the franchise is the future tense show Starfleet Academy, set

1857
01:43:06.000 --> 01:43:09.279
after the events of Star Trek Discovery season five in

1858
01:43:09.319 --> 01:43:11.520
the year thirty one ninety one. So we'll still way

1859
01:43:11.600 --> 01:43:14.880
off there in the future where your nascells are just

1860
01:43:15.039 --> 01:43:18.840
kind of drifting along beside you. They aren't really attached

1861
01:43:18.880 --> 01:43:22.000
to your ship, right, So we're still off in that universe,

1862
01:43:22.119 --> 01:43:25.079
right Starfleet Academy, we'll follow a new batch of Starfleet

1863
01:43:25.119 --> 01:43:28.359
Hoefels and its TV series that will be set both

1864
01:43:28.439 --> 01:43:33.039
on Earth and naturally out there in space. The final Frontier,

1865
01:43:34.279 --> 01:43:39.520
featuring the turn of Tilly, Mary Wiseman and Reno tig

1866
01:43:39.640 --> 01:43:44.479
Notaro from Discovery, means that esthetically speaking, the show will

1867
01:43:44.600 --> 01:43:48.079
likely carry with it the visual continuity from that era

1868
01:43:48.279 --> 01:43:53.479
of Star Trek. And yet, even between Discovery season three

1869
01:43:53.560 --> 01:43:55.520
and twenty twenty, in season four and twenty twenty one,

1870
01:43:55.600 --> 01:43:59.800
Starflett made its Starfleet made its uniforms more colorful, and

1871
01:44:00.039 --> 01:44:02.720
it appears that with Starfleet Academy, the uniforms might get

1872
01:44:02.800 --> 01:44:06.600
rebooted again. Well, that should come as no surprise. Recently,

1873
01:44:06.680 --> 01:44:09.880
cast members of Starfleet Academy celebrated a rap production on

1874
01:44:09.960 --> 01:44:11.800
the show, and in doing so, gave us a glimpse

1875
01:44:11.920 --> 01:44:14.079
of what could be part of the new Starfleet uniform.

1876
01:44:14.680 --> 01:44:18.399
Starfleet Academy cast member Zoey Steiner celebrated the rap of

1877
01:44:18.520 --> 01:44:24.960
the Starfleet Academy shooting by posting photos of herself and

1878
01:44:25.000 --> 01:44:28.920
what appears to be a class jacket. Let's see it, David,

1879
01:44:32.159 --> 01:44:33.960
we do not have that photo, but that is okay,

1880
01:44:35.720 --> 01:44:36.159
we have it.

1881
01:44:38.800 --> 01:44:40.960
I'm just changing every six seconds. There's no way to

1882
01:44:41.039 --> 01:44:41.359
stop it.

1883
01:44:42.560 --> 01:44:45.079
Here on the Academy Awards. We're very you know. Oh,

1884
01:44:45.159 --> 01:44:47.319
there we are the star Trek stage, Starfleet Academy.

1885
01:44:47.960 --> 01:44:48.920
I think it's the next one.

1886
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There we go. I'm going to pause for dramatic effect,

1887
01:44:51.920 --> 01:44:54.960
like William Shanner, because we want to see that class jacket.

1888
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And there's who that is. She's twelve, whoever she is?

1889
01:44:58.560 --> 01:45:07.079
Maybe that's Zoe Steiner, sure, whatever, whatever, whatever, youngsters, Okay,

1890
01:45:07.319 --> 01:45:10.399
give me. You know, Paul Giamatti, I'm all about Paul Giamatti, right,

1891
01:45:10.439 --> 01:45:12.640
I'm like, yeah, Okay, an adult on star Trek. I'm

1892
01:45:12.720 --> 01:45:14.920
way more into that. But I know it's Starfleet Academy.

1893
01:45:14.960 --> 01:45:18.119
They're young. We're getting there. There she is, she's got

1894
01:45:18.199 --> 01:45:22.159
her Like Pennant, I'm looking for this picture I saw

1895
01:45:22.199 --> 01:45:26.000
on the internet though the jacket. Well, we'll get there,

1896
01:45:26.079 --> 01:45:27.399
We'll get there. I will continue.

1897
01:45:27.600 --> 01:45:30.279
I gave you one. Forget that.

1898
01:45:30.479 --> 01:45:34.600
Zoey Steiner wrote, that's encouraging. That's a wrap on Starfleet

1899
01:45:34.640 --> 01:45:38.119
Academy Season one. Beyond grateful to have had this huge

1900
01:45:38.159 --> 01:45:43.399
experience alongside my Starfleet fam. It's easily been one of

1901
01:45:43.439 --> 01:45:47.119
the most challenging and fulfilling things I've ever done on

1902
01:45:47.279 --> 01:45:50.479
both the creative and a personal level. Fellow cast member

1903
01:45:50.560 --> 01:45:54.760
Bella Shepherd did the same, writing, wow, oh wow, sad

1904
01:45:55.279 --> 01:45:58.359
softly out of there we go. That's the picture that

1905
01:45:58.439 --> 01:46:01.600
I've been seeing out there with the the emblem patch

1906
01:46:02.520 --> 01:46:05.640
on the on the jacket. I think that is Bella

1907
01:46:05.720 --> 01:46:09.840
Shepherd and wearing the same jacket that Steiner rocked. Gave

1908
01:46:09.920 --> 01:46:11.720
us a close up view of what appears to be

1909
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a newly revamped version of the famous Starfleet Delta insignia.

1910
01:46:15.479 --> 01:46:20.279
There we go. In terms of canonical context, this kind

1911
01:46:20.359 --> 01:46:23.439
of makes sense. In Discovery season three, we learned that

1912
01:46:23.560 --> 01:46:26.760
Earth had broken away from the Federation, Starfleet no longer

1913
01:46:26.840 --> 01:46:30.479
operated out of Earth in the thirty second century. By

1914
01:46:30.520 --> 01:46:33.199
the end of season four, Earth was back in the Federation, though,

1915
01:46:33.279 --> 01:46:36.760
And now with Starfleet Academy coming, we've learned that this

1916
01:46:36.880 --> 01:46:39.640
will be the first time in an at least a century,

1917
01:46:39.760 --> 01:46:43.840
that Starfleet Academy is back on Earth, specifically in San Francisco.

1918
01:46:45.840 --> 01:46:48.399
The series itself is filmed in Toronto, and the Starfleet

1919
01:46:48.439 --> 01:46:51.319
Academy set itself would be the biggest single set in

1920
01:46:51.439 --> 01:46:54.399
Star Trek history. Oh good, because you know that'll help.

1921
01:46:54.800 --> 01:46:57.560
With Starfleet Academy coming sometime later in twenty twenty five

1922
01:46:57.640 --> 01:47:01.279
or twenty twenty six, the star franchise will technically be

1923
01:47:01.359 --> 01:47:04.239
going into a new future beyond the canon of Discovery.

1924
01:47:04.960 --> 01:47:07.000
But it seems possible that when it comes back to

1925
01:47:07.079 --> 01:47:10.159
the look of Starfleet, this show might end up feeling

1926
01:47:10.399 --> 01:47:14.520
down right retro. Hmm interesting. Not sure who wrote that.

1927
01:47:14.800 --> 01:47:20.000
It was definitely not me, just making that clear, but yeah,

1928
01:47:20.159 --> 01:47:24.560
so we'll see. As apparently a large red truck features

1929
01:47:24.640 --> 01:47:29.279
prominently in Starfleet Academy, judging from what I'm seeing here,

1930
01:47:29.439 --> 01:47:34.319
and that the large red truck is a potential plot point.

1931
01:47:34.479 --> 01:47:38.199
I don't know if it's a Klingon shuttle craft under

1932
01:47:38.279 --> 01:47:40.159
disguise or something, but gosh, we'll just have to wait

1933
01:47:40.159 --> 01:47:43.359
and see. So coming soon to a TV streamer near you.

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I don't know how we do it on time, Uncle Jimmy,

1935
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got time for the your next story.

1936
01:47:47.560 --> 01:47:49.920
It's been really we are going to get two seasons

1937
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a Starfleet Academy.

1938
01:47:51.439 --> 01:47:53.039
Oh great, so they are.

1939
01:47:53.119 --> 01:47:55.640
They finished wrapping one and they already approved it for

1940
01:47:55.760 --> 01:47:59.760
season two. So we will get two seasons of Starfleet Academy,

1941
01:48:00.000 --> 01:48:04.000
which is good twenty episodes. So that's something to look

1942
01:48:04.039 --> 01:48:06.479
forward to. And as I said, it's either going to

1943
01:48:06.520 --> 01:48:08.520
be the end of twenty twenty five or the beginning

1944
01:48:08.560 --> 01:48:12.479
of twenty twenty six. We don't quite know yet that way.

1945
01:48:12.520 --> 01:48:14.640
And do we know that there will still be civilization

1946
01:48:14.760 --> 01:48:17.000
in twenty twenty six? Do we are we feeling confident

1947
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about that?

1948
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Yeah, we might not get around to seeing it. We

1949
01:48:19.880 --> 01:48:22.359
might be watching it from the Ukraine or maybe who

1950
01:48:22.479 --> 01:48:25.520
knows where we'll be, but yeah, will.

1951
01:48:25.439 --> 01:48:30.119
Glorious Russian allow for it? Dis still be willllow for television.

1952
01:48:30.239 --> 01:48:35.479
Okay, So anyways, let me see, I have a story here?

1953
01:48:35.600 --> 01:48:36.000
Do I not?

1954
01:48:36.600 --> 01:48:39.359
I think I do. Yes, I do have a story.

1955
01:48:40.239 --> 01:48:47.119
So you guys have heard of Friday the thirteenth, right, Yeah,

1956
01:48:47.159 --> 01:48:49.000
this is an old This is a story that I

1957
01:48:49.199 --> 01:48:52.000
had on the back burner that David keeps saying, what

1958
01:48:52.079 --> 01:48:53.520
are we gonna do that? When are we gonna do that? Well,

1959
01:48:53.520 --> 01:48:57.159
we're gonna do it right now. Oh, Starfleet legend plays

1960
01:48:57.199 --> 01:49:01.159
horror's most iconic mother. One of the subjects I have

1961
01:49:01.279 --> 01:49:04.760
passionately written about before is the unexpected joys you may

1962
01:49:04.840 --> 01:49:08.039
discover when you go back and rewatch a bad film.

1963
01:49:08.439 --> 01:49:11.159
For example, when I recently checked out the infamous remake

1964
01:49:11.199 --> 01:49:14.479
of the horror classic, I was pleasantly surprised to discover

1965
01:49:14.640 --> 01:49:17.840
that not a visitor played Pamela Vorhees in the two

1966
01:49:17.880 --> 01:49:21.199
thousand and nine Friday of the Thirteenth. If you aren't aware,

1967
01:49:21.319 --> 01:49:24.039
she is best known as playing the Bajoran terrorist turned

1968
01:49:24.560 --> 01:49:28.800
girl boss in the seminole series star Trek Deep Space nine.

1969
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If you already watched a movie and don't remember seeing

1970
01:49:32.199 --> 01:49:34.159
on a visitor in the most recent Pride of the

1971
01:49:34.279 --> 01:49:38.680
Thirteenth film, it's because she has a very abbreviated cameo appearance.

1972
01:49:39.279 --> 01:49:42.079
The movie tries to cram several bits of iconic Jason

1973
01:49:42.159 --> 01:49:44.880
Vori's lore into a single story, so that means we

1974
01:49:44.960 --> 01:49:48.159
get a brief flashback at the beginning that basically recreates

1975
01:49:48.239 --> 01:49:51.720
the ending of the first Friday of the thirteenth. Accordingly,

1976
01:49:52.199 --> 01:49:56.039
our favorite star trek Icon played Pamela Vories, a surprised

1977
01:49:56.119 --> 01:49:59.479
killer of the original franchise Outing who gets her head

1978
01:49:59.560 --> 01:50:02.720
cut off fire Wood v victim who becomes our first

1979
01:50:02.800 --> 01:50:06.039
final girl. Another reason why it's so easy to forget

1980
01:50:06.159 --> 01:50:08.680
on a Visitor appeared in Fire of the Thirteen is

1981
01:50:08.720 --> 01:50:12.079
that the movie follows up her flashback sequence with an

1982
01:50:12.159 --> 01:50:16.680
extended cold opening. We basically get introduced to an entirely

1983
01:50:16.760 --> 01:50:20.880
different cast of young characters who are obsessed with sex, drugs,

1984
01:50:21.119 --> 01:50:25.600
and weed, and they get systematically murdered by Jason. Sadly,

1985
01:50:25.880 --> 01:50:28.319
we don't get to see non a visitor flexer significant

1986
01:50:28.439 --> 01:50:33.039
acting chops after the flashback sequence. After all, getting her

1987
01:50:33.119 --> 01:50:35.279
chop her head chopped off as soon as the movie

1988
01:50:35.359 --> 01:50:39.520
begins doesn't leave room much else. However, as a USD

1989
01:50:39.720 --> 01:50:42.000
Space nine fan, I wish that this movie was a

1990
01:50:42.079 --> 01:50:44.960
proper remake of the original write down of Pamler Voorhees

1991
01:50:45.359 --> 01:50:48.920
being revealed as the killer. Very few people could match

1992
01:50:49.000 --> 01:50:52.760
the performance of the original Pam actor Betsy Palmer. But

1993
01:50:52.960 --> 01:50:56.800
Visitor is a good Indie Space nine and I'm confident

1994
01:50:56.880 --> 01:51:02.520
she could have carried the entire film. And there she

1995
01:51:02.720 --> 01:51:05.960
is on the screen. And that wraps up our show

1996
01:51:06.039 --> 01:51:07.640
this week. Guys, what do you think. Did you have

1997
01:51:07.720 --> 01:51:09.199
a good time talking with Jonathan?

1998
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Yeah?

1999
01:51:10.640 --> 01:51:15.720
He was great. Yes, Yeah, good guy, very engaging, very

2000
01:51:15.760 --> 01:51:16.399
engaging guy.

2001
01:51:16.720 --> 01:51:18.600
A lot of fun. Next week we're going to be

2002
01:51:18.680 --> 01:51:21.960
talking to David Orange, who played the sleepy kling On

2003
01:51:22.479 --> 01:51:25.239
that was guarding Rua Pente and so he'll be with

2004
01:51:25.399 --> 01:51:28.960
us as well. And yeah, so that wraps up our show. Guys.

2005
01:51:28.960 --> 01:51:31.039
I had a really good time. Jonathan was great. I

2006
01:51:31.079 --> 01:51:33.000
had a lot of fun. I want to say thank

2007
01:51:33.039 --> 01:51:35.399
you so much to Paul for hanging out and trek

2008
01:51:35.479 --> 01:51:39.279
talking with us tonight. Thank you, Paul, thank you, and

2009
01:51:39.439 --> 01:51:41.279
thank you so much to Eric for hanging out and

2010
01:51:41.359 --> 01:51:43.640
trek talking with us tonight. Thank you so much, Eric.

2011
01:51:45.720 --> 01:51:47.880
And thank you so much to Charles for hanging out

2012
01:51:47.920 --> 01:51:50.560
and trek talking with us. Thank you, Charles, Thank you.

2013
01:51:50.680 --> 01:51:53.880
Jim. Always fun and Thank you so much.

2014
01:51:53.760 --> 01:51:55.800
To David for hanging out and Trek talking with us

2015
01:51:55.840 --> 01:51:58.439
and being the miracle worker of the show. Thank you, David.

2016
01:51:59.159 --> 01:52:02.600
You're welcome here, really fun and I'm your most excellent host.

2017
01:52:02.680 --> 01:52:05.760
Uncle Jim saying everybody please stay safe and be good

2018
01:52:05.800 --> 01:52:09.039
to each other. Star Trek fans are the best fans.

2019
01:52:09.479 --> 01:52:14.079
Tailoring frequencies are closed. Good night, everybody, Good.

2020
01:52:14.000 --> 01:52:18.479
Night all stags.

2021
01:52:18.840 --> 01:52:20.119
I'm ready for departure, sir.

2022
01:52:23.760 --> 01:52:26.640
Some problem right, I'm just hoping this isn't the usual

2023
01:52:26.680 --> 01:52:30.920
way omissions will go, sir. Oh, no, number what actually

2024
01:52:31.039 --> 01:52:36.840
most will be much more interesting, said she.

2025
01:52:37.039 --> 01:52:40.680
Wats out there, engage
Jonathan Simpson