Jan. 24, 2025

Episode 619- 765874 Unification review/AI discussion

Episode 619- 765874 Unification review/AI discussion

n this episode of Trek Talking, Uncle Jim and his team of Trek experts discuss various topics related to Star Trek, including upcoming events, fan interactions, and the anticipation surrounding the new Section 31 project. They also engage with their...

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n this episode of Trek Talking, Uncle Jim and his team of Trek experts discuss various topics related to Star Trek, including upcoming events, fan interactions, and the anticipation surrounding the new Section 31 project. They also engage with their global audience through fan shout outs and polls, exploring themes of asylum and character actions within the Star Trek universe. The conversation culminates in a discussion about the use of AI in Star Trek fan films, showcasing the community's creativity and passion for the franchise. The conversation delves into various aspects of Star Trek's cinematic quality, character development, and the implications of AI in entertainment. They also explore the ethical concerns surrounding AI's role in media, the potential for AI to replace human actors, and the broader societal impacts of advancing technology. The conversation delves into the evolving landscape of acting in the age of AI, reflecting on the implications for the industry and society. It transitions into a discussion about the legacy of Star Trek, celebrating its impact and the importance of its themes. The hosts also commemorate notable Star Trek birthdays, highlighting the contributions of various actors. Finally, they discuss the upcoming Section 31 project, exploring its potential to expand the Star Trek universe and attract new fans.

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for that, PIMMI of make it so everybody, Lets go

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about the series, he bing aside a phone.

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Well, good evening, Trekkies and trekkers around the globe. It

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it's Thursday, January twenty fourth, twenty twenty five. I'm your

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most excellent host, uncle Jim.

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How you doing?

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Welcome to episode six hundred and twenty of track talking excellent, excellent, excellent, excellent.

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Before I get too far, I introduce you guys to

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my incredible trek experts, and we're gonna start out with

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our very own Paul. Paul's out in Portland. How you

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doing tonight, Paul?

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Hey, I'm good man, I'm doing well. It's a wonderful Thursday.

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It's Friday Eve, so that's a good thing. And also

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out Portland we have Eric, How you doing tonight?

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Eric?

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Well, you know I'm doing. It's been kind of a

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rough week, doing a lot of stuff going on. My

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car died today, so I got no wheels. The country's

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falling apart, you know, little things like that.

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Snow in Florida.

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Yeah, whatever we'll do.

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Yeah, we'll deal with it. And not from Portland, we

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have Charles. Charles is out in Las Vegas. How you

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doing tonight?

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Charles?

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I'm doing good. Maybe not snow, but i'd love to

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see some rain sin just like California, we're stuck in

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a drought. But man talk some truck talking.

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We're going to get some snow here tonight. So I'll

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take it. And let's jump back to Portland, where we

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have our very own miracle workers.

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David, how you doing tonight? David? Yeah, it's been busy, busy, busy.

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So before I go too far, I want to let

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you guys know that we're going to be reviewing section

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thirty one on January thirtieth. Section thirty one actually airs

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tonight at midnight, so it'll be on tomorrow, so we'll

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talk about that. Next week, Fanruary sixth, we're going to

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have the one and only Nicholas Meyer on the podcast,

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So you guys want to have your questions ready for him.

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And how can you ask him a question you may ask, Well,

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you go to trek Talking dot com and you click

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on the little blue talkback mike in the bottom right

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hand corner and you record a question and we will

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play it right here on the show and get an

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answer for you. So go to trek Talking dot com

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and click on the talkback mike, and that talkback mike

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is live all the time, not just for Nick Meyer.

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us what you thought about an episode, tell us what

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you thought about one of our polls.

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Anything. We love to hear from you guys.

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We love to interact with you guys, and we definitely

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will play your comment on the show, even if it's

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not a question for Nick Meyer. And on February thirteenth,

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we're going to be talking about George Decai's book they

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called Us Enemy. So it's going to be pretty busy

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for the next ble of weeks. We got a lot

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on the plate, so bear that in mind. You guys

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can go over to our YouTube channel. This is the

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YouTube channel that we used to use when we were

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doing Trek Talking. What was it, attack Wing, remember those days, Eric,

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And that's that's that's where we found you, and we

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had VAX's shipyards and we all had all kinds of

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stuff going on. But uh, you know, Attack Wing kind

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of fell by the wayside and the YouTube channel went

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along with it. Well, I'm bringing it back now, so

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I'm revitalizing it. So you can find us on YouTube

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at Trek Talking, and if you go there, you will

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find links to all every single place where Trek Talking

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Patreon page, which Charles is running. There's a link to

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go there. There's a link to our Facebook page. Although

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oh yeah, how could I forget We talked to the

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one and only Tim Russ last week.

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Wasn't that fun? Guys? Wasn't that a great interview? Yeah?

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That was fun.

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If you guys missed it, you can go to truck

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talkin dot com and check it out. If you're a patron,

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you can actually watch the video of us with him.

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And if you go to our YouTube channel after the month,

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once a month, I'm gonna make all of those private

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videos public. So if you're not a patron, you're gonna

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have to wait a whole month to see the video

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of us talking with mister Russ. So, without any further ado,

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I'm gonna turn over our fans shout out to Eric,

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So take it away, Eric, Yeah, Jim.

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Our first fan shout out goes out this week to

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Billy Seru from Guayakil, Ecuador, who sends us a nice, live,

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long and prosper symbol. Thanks Billy for listening to us.

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We really appreciate your support down there in that beautiful country.

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We also say hello this week to Stay Mansfield from Edinburgh, Scotland.

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One of the places I would love to go. Seems

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like a pretty cool joint and you know, your food

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is pretty interesting and I but I'm kind of into it.

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Those frieda eggs are pretty good. I like those. Natalie

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Delmhorst is saying hello to us this week from Germany.

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Thanks for saying hello this week. And awesome gorilla art

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in Berlin this week from there. And last but not least,

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we're saying hello to Rudy Smet who's from Anthever in Belgium,

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that country between other countries, which has such a cool

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mixed culture to it. So thank you all for listening

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to us. We really appreciate your support here on the

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PODCAS cast. Charles, who would you like to say hello to?

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Let's start with a warm welcome to Eric Anderson, Houston, Texas.

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I wonder how the weather is down there. Welcome to

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Mark arch You Letta from New Mexico. Hey Mark, Redd Green.

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Welcome to Robert Simpson Reed from Florida. Is up north

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in the snow, We're down south. Whars is chili? And

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then welcome to Ed Ferby from Tennessee. Welcome David, who's

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on your list one.

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Welcome to Linda Bonne from Minnesota. Give me us that

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live long and posh pushing, and I have a pop

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contributor here named Ruth Ven New Van now I think

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how you pronounce it. She's from Durham, North Carolina, USA.

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And next time my list is a warm welcome to

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w Cleve Budle come from Salt Lake City, Utah. Last

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time my list is Jackie Tweving from Texash and Paul,

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who done your list?

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Oh you muted, Paul, No one can hear you.

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Paul, there he goes.

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Now, I am such a fan of technology, right, It's amazing,

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the greatest. It makes me so happy to get out

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of bed every day and live in the twenty first

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century that is even more evolved than the Star Trek.

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I was promised as a child. A great job, tech bros.

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You're doing a phenomenal job of executing all this bullshit

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and it works so well. I mean, this is this

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is the enlightened future I never would have dreamed of.

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Thank I tried throwing it out the window and bring

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it back in.

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Is that the same thing?

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Well, let's move on.

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Let's see what happened trying to subtly convey to David. David,

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your audio is even quieter than mine, so I just

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want to make sure we heard you, brother. So otherwise,

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our good friends out in Trinidad and Tobago might not

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be all to hear so anyhow, it just so happens

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that we have folks all over the planet who were

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saying hello to us a trudge talk this week, including

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Anisha ho sign in Trinidad and Tobago. Double shot of

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the flags for both lands there, of course, so absolutely wonderful.

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Great to hear from you, Anisha. And then in another

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part of the world, we're going to go over and

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say hello to our friend Sharon Maltby in Nottingham, England,

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which is actually not that far from where my people

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were from. Nottingham's just up the road and to the

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northeast of Wolverhampton, where the crazy people are that sired me.

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So there you go, right in the Old West Midlands

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there south of Sheffield if you're looking to find anyone.

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But great to hear from you, Sharon, and thanks for

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being a fan over there in the enlightened universe of

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Sweden that I envy tremendously flag unfurled with great pride.

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Lelan Baka is saying hello to us from Sweden this week.

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Wonderful to hear from you. And let's skip continents yet

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again and we'll go over to wonderful South Paulo, Brazil,

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where Maria Lucia Ratz is saying hello to us from

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down there where it is infinitely warmer than we are.

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So always great to hear from our fans and viewers

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and listeners and trek enthusiasts from all over the globe.

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And that's all I've got. I'm going to go back

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to the mute button where I'm comfortable and pass it

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over to Uncle Jim.

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All right, Well, we'd like to say hello and thank

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you to Adrian Keeter, who says I'm on planet Earth,

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within the United States of America, within the great state

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of Texas, from a little town called Orange, Texas. Wow,

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that's pretty precise. Thank you for being a fan, Adrian.

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We also want to say hello and thank you to

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Brian Ferry who's listening to us in Florida, and I

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hope you've got your boots and your snowshovel down there.

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And I also want to say hello and thank you

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to Emily Lenore, who's a rising contributor from Atlanta, Georgia.

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Thank you for listening, Emily. And last but not least,

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we want to say hello to Jennifer Wolf who's an

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All Star contributor from Fort Wayne, Indiana. So if you

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guys would like to be mentioned in a fan shoutout,

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just head over to our Facebook page, which you can

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link through Trek Talking dot com or our YouTube channel

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at Trek Talking and tell us where you're from. And

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if you notice this awesome slot, I'd show that we're

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watching that Eric put are not Eric, that our very

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own miracle worker David put together for us. If you're

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mentioned in a fan shout out, we can get your

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picture up here. So not only will the fans know

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that you're a fan of Truck Talking, but they can

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see you in your costume. So that my friends wraps

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up our Star Trek fan shout outs. And now it's

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time for our Star Trek polls.

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You know me like no Wind, but you thought about

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the show.

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Then we try.

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To share your opinions with all of our minions out

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there because they listen world. Why so tell us just

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what you think. Get together we will all Tree, Canara

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and robylin A.

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All right, Oh, I got my Leya here wants to

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be on the show. She's getting in my face over here,

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all right. So every week we ask I throw out

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some polling questions for you guys as Star Trek fans,

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and again you can find those pollcast questions on Tumblr

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and on Blue Sky on our Facebook page and just

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give us an answer, tell us what you thought, and

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then listen to the show to see if the other

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fans agree with you and Eric, I'm going to turn

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it over to you and I'm going to go see

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what's wrong with Leah Awesome?

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Yeah, Jim. Our first poll question this week is in

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the TNG episode DEJACQ q Q loses his power and

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asks card for asylum aboard the Enterprise. Do you agree

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with the car's decision to grant it? So you know,

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somebody comes see us says can I have asylum? Do

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you grant it? Obviously? Eighty eight percent of our listeners

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that heck, yeah, that's the right thing to do. Twelve

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percent said no, it's Q So yeah, I guess I

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got to figure ten to twelve percent of Star Trek

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watchers just aren't cool with human rights or something.

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I don't know.

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That must be the reason that twelve percent would say no,

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it's not okay to grant asylum. Obviously it's the correct

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thing to do. And if you think differently, you're wrong.

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So actually help noticing that the no option is colored red?

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Is that correct? Is that just a coincidence color?

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No, it's colored with green is yes and red is no.

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And so the question is do colors influence one's decision?

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I do see red making a lot of questionable choices sometimes,

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so you know, my answer would be I would choose yes,

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it's the right thing to do, because otherwise there would

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be no episode because there would be no conversations with

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Q because it wouldn't be on the ship. So it's

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kind of like, you know, a no brainer that yes,

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you would go ahead and give.

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I mean, I got I think the implication of the

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question is that kind of ornery Sometimes you trouble deserve asylum,

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and I would say yeah, I mean, if anybody is

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being persecuted, they always deserve asylum, no matter what.

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I would sure hope.

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So yeah, Well, and once again, if you think differently,

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you're wrong. Sorry.

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I mean, if you think differently, you might be a fascist.

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Might you might be a fascist?

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You might want to like I feel like this is

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a new page we should start. You might be a fascist.

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You might be a fascist.

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If right, you know, you might want to like check

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your underarm deodorant or you know, find out like if

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animals run the other way when you approach any of

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those telltale signs.

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It just just.

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Say it, all right, So, well, what do the rest

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of the truck spirts say?

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You guys agree? Are you are you?

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Are you with the fans in green? Or are you

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with the fascists and you're red?

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I hope you guys can hear me a little bit

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better now because I've figured out.

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So much better, so much better, David.

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Yeah, my volume for some reason would like turned way down.

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I don't know why that way, but so yeah, the

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is I don't know, I mean, did he act for

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the right thing to do? I I'm trying to reread

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the question here. Sorry, I had so much that was

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going on. I was like trying to figure out what

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whatever was going on? But do you agree with the

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card decision to grant it?

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The correct answer is yes, just say yes.

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Yeah, I mean yes, I mean here's a say no.

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But you need to explain why it would be no.

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You need to defend your position a lot, right, I

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need I need a rational realization. So it's just like,

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you know, you can say whatever you want but I

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need you know, pony up right, if you're going to

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say no, how come.

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I would say yes in the sense that it's humanitarianism

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that we have to you know, granted chilum to people.

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But I mean he is an all powerful being, which

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at the time did they know that he was, that

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he had lost his power when he granted Sailum That

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part I don't remember.

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Well, yes, I think if he has powers or not,

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if he asks for asylum.

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Well technically it would be a no for me because

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if they knew that he had powers at that time,

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he had already met with them all those times in

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the past. So would they trust you again, It's just

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like a Peter Krai Wolf kind of thing. So I

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don't know. I mean, if you had power, not power,

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you know, it could go either way for me show.

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But if you had diarrhea, would you still give him asylum?

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Absolutely not.

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It's a whole different thing. Right then it's like a

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hazard and that you know, Jim's like, no way, not

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a chance.

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I worded the question that way on purpose when I said, hell, no,

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it's c just just for that reason, because Q has,

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like David said, he's messed with him in the past,

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can you truly trust the guy? And you know, as

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he's just toying with you and he's going to turn

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you into a Christmas tree ornament, you know, you never

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can tell with that guy. So that's why I that's

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why I worded it that way. So what about you, Charles.

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Well, I believe right in the big end of the episode,

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Q appeared floating and drops and we can tell from

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there he didn't have any ability to change anything. So

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we knew from there he did did not have his powers.

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And I think that we chose even though we didn't

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trust Q. I felt that was the only thing we

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could do because we are trying to help others in need,

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and he was the time in need. In fact, a

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good lesson learned, a very good lesson in this episode,

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and we met a one shot time of a very

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interesting character at Q two.

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That's right, it was a it was a learning experience

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for Q as well. And sticking with the Q idea,

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what's our next question?

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Eric?

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In the Deep Space nine episode Q less Cisco punches Q.

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Do you agree with his action? Absolutely? Our fans agree

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with eighty five percent and no, the card never struck

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him got fifteen percent of our votes. So let's talk

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about that.

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Yeah, what do you think Paul refresh my memory? Why

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does he punch him?

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Well, he punches him because essentially what happens is Q's

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causing shenanigans on the bridge. Q's like, uh, okay, let's

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settle this like humans would settle it. And so he

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zaps him into a boxing ring and he punches Cisco

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like four or five times in the face before Cisco reacts,

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and he's like, come on, come on, punch me, punch me,

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And finally Cisco gives him one and in one punch

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takes him down. Q's like, you hit me. You're much

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easier to antagonize than Picard was. And Cisco's like, I'm

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not Picard.

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Well, actually, I think his exact words were Picard never

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struck me in his typical que you know way.

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So it's not like he just lost his temper and

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let him have it. I mean he was kind of

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set up. If somebody puts you.

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In fact, they were very clear on Deep Space nine.

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It's right, if somebody.

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Puts you in like a submarine, you're gonna go dive, dive, dive, right,

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But it's like you know he's in a boxing ring

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with boxing gloves on. Of course he's gonna whack him.

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He's like being invited to and you got to hit first, right,

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so you know, I mean that's always what you tell

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your kids in school, right, It's like if you know

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the other guy hits you first.

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It was it was self defense.

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Yeah, that mustache he's got there, that's great. I haven't

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seen this in.

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Forever, Yeah, didn't. Didn't David do a great job putting

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this together.

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Oh, it's great. I think he did.

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Notice how he's got two slides on there now instead

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of only one like we were doing before. David is

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definitely a miracle worker.

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He's scotty.

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What do you think Charles did he do the right

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thing by punching him?

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Well, I think he proved himself that he's not per

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Card for sure, huge sides. He went to challenge challenge

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Cisco and it's like, Okay, that's not for Card. It's

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gonna be a different environment to deal with. So I

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think it was a good choice.

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So it seems like, uh, like the truck Spurts agree

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with the fans on this one.

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Yeah, I definitely agree that he I mean, just like

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what Paul said, you know, he got into his phace

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and human emotion. He kicked in.

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All right, So what's our next poll question?

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Eric, I have no idea. There are no more polls. Yeah, sorry, sorry,

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there is one more. Are you looking forward to the

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Michelle Yo led section thirty one streaming movie, and sixty

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seven percent of our listeners said yes, they're very interested

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in it and said no, I'll pass. So what do

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you guys think about that?

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I'm all right, well, I uh, I'm not feeling too

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well right now. I got it off and so uh,

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Star Trek drops at midnight tonight and I will be

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watching it. So yeah, I'm really psyched for it. I

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love I love Michelle Yo. I love the character of Georgio.

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I can't wait to see where Carl sent her and

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what the next chapter of her redemption arc is. So yes,

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I am very excited for it, and I think, as

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Star Trek fans, it's you know, it's very rare that

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we have an opportunity like this, and I'm going to

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take it for all it's worth. I'm going to enjoy it.

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I'm going to revel in it, and I'm looking forward

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to it. And I think it's going to be great.

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So yeah, I'm with the sixty six percent that's waiting

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to see it.

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Yeah.

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Well, our friend Shannon already comment and she got a

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sneak preview of the movie last night. We threatened her

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about making any spoilers, but she definitely said she really

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loved the movie and she plans to watch it again

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this weekend. So I think it definitely. One of our

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fans says, hey, let's do it. I think it sounds

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good to me. I've been waiting to see what they

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do with this one. Anyway, how about.

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You, Eric, Well, you know, since they started kind of

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touting it as a Western in space, you know, I

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like Westerns. There's that kind of how boyish sort of

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feel that Michelle Yo is supposed to have in this.

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So I'll give it a go.

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Absolutely, And friend, let me jump in and say. Our

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friend Ryan says, let's see how this movie pays tribute

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to Michael lou Michelle as he says from chat as

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one of our visitors to the show.

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That's right.

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I forgot we have people in our chat room. I

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can't see them. Welcome to chat, guys. Well, Paul, what

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do you think are you going to watch it.

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Oh, I would I watch anything that's Star Trek related, right,

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And I'm always rooting for stuff to work, right, I'm

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always hoping things will succeed. But I'm never going to

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be somebody who says, oh, it's going to be amazing

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if I haven't seen it yet, right, because that's that's

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you know. I want to sample the drink my bartender's

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made before I weigh in on their ability to mix,

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all right, So I'm going to wait until I've seen it.

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I want to stay optimistic, right, because that's what Star

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Trek's about, is optimism. It should be what Star Trek

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is about is optimism. But I'm a little nervous from

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my perspective, just I'm trying to avoid too many reviews,

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though I have seen some aggregates this morning, but I

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was I was not a fan of the trailer. I

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gotta be honest. It did not look like the kind

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of storytelling I relate to.

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Let's just say that.

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So so we'll see.

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I mean, I'll probably watch it tomorrow night because it

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drops on Friday. It's just tomorrow. But I really hope

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they pull it off. But you know, but I'm not

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going to let the fact that I like Michelle yo

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free dispose me in advance to thinking that it'll be good.

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I mean, it means I'm rooting for I hope it's good.

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I'd like it to be good. But but her presence

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in it alone does not guarantee anything other than she

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got paid. That's the one thing. It does guarantee that

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she was paid. But you know, let's let's be honest,

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so we'll see. I hope it's good. I want it

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to be good.

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I really do.

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What about you, David h Yeah, I'm pretty much in

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the same boat with Paul. Like he said, basically, the

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trailer scared me. Uh and I want to be optimistic

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as much as possible. But I'm definitely gonna try watching

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it your tomorrow or shadow day, so which you when

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I have time. But yeah, I'm looking forward to it.

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So with the with the exception of Shannon, who's a

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friend of the show, I know two other people that

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went to see it. One person told me because they

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had to sign NDA's they can't talk about it so

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they can't say much. But one person told me that

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it reminded them of Deep Space nine. It was dark

475
00:27:16.039 --> 00:27:19.200
and gritty in the style of Deep Space nine. Take

476
00:27:19.240 --> 00:27:21.559
that for what it's worth. And the other person told

477
00:27:21.640 --> 00:27:25.039
me that it wasn't what they expected it to be

478
00:27:25.640 --> 00:27:28.920
and it was a roller coaster ride, So take that

479
00:27:29.200 --> 00:27:32.559
for what it's worth. And we have a couple of

480
00:27:32.599 --> 00:27:35.599
stories tonight that I wanted to get in about section

481
00:27:35.720 --> 00:27:39.039
thirty one before at premieres tomorrow, which we'll talk about

482
00:27:39.079 --> 00:27:41.440
on our news section when we get to it. And

483
00:27:42.039 --> 00:27:44.559
I think that wraps everything up. Now we're going to

484
00:27:44.599 --> 00:27:48.200
get to the meat and potatoes of our show. And

485
00:27:48.240 --> 00:27:51.960
this actually is what Hollywood was on strike about, if

486
00:27:52.000 --> 00:27:54.640
you guys recall, and that was the use of AI,

487
00:27:55.440 --> 00:27:56.759
and I think it's.

488
00:27:56.720 --> 00:27:59.599
Is it O toyto? Why is it O? Toy?

489
00:28:00.359 --> 00:28:05.400
Studios, in association with Roddenberry Archives, actually made a trilogy

490
00:28:05.720 --> 00:28:09.559
of I guess you want to call them short fan films,

491
00:28:09.599 --> 00:28:12.279
although I don't know if you would use the word

492
00:28:12.359 --> 00:28:15.359
fan films because of the budget that they had, but

493
00:28:15.599 --> 00:28:19.480
at any rate, fan films to show how you could

494
00:28:19.559 --> 00:28:23.279
use AI and what they could do with it. And

495
00:28:23.599 --> 00:28:26.920
this came out last month. The final one is called Unification,

496
00:28:27.599 --> 00:28:32.880
but our miracle worker David here took the first one,

497
00:28:32.920 --> 00:28:35.559
which was called Mine Meld the second one. No, the

498
00:28:35.559 --> 00:28:39.440
first one was called the Wall, which was as a

499
00:28:39.480 --> 00:28:44.079
reference to Star Trek, the motion picture when spot Mine

500
00:28:44.079 --> 00:28:47.720
melds with Veiger. Then the second one is called mind Meld,

501
00:28:48.079 --> 00:28:51.039
and then the final one is called Unification. And David

502
00:28:51.119 --> 00:28:53.559
went and put those all together for us into one.

503
00:28:54.240 --> 00:28:55.640
Was it eight minutes long?

504
00:28:55.759 --> 00:28:58.599
David? I think.

505
00:29:00.000 --> 00:29:01.599
It's about nine and a half minutes.

506
00:29:02.000 --> 00:29:05.160
Okay, So Charles Wynn edited the them, not Charles, David,

507
00:29:05.279 --> 00:29:06.440
don't bother the cat.

508
00:29:07.359 --> 00:29:09.440
David went and edited to them all together.

509
00:29:09.799 --> 00:29:12.000
And we are going to watch all three of them

510
00:29:12.200 --> 00:29:14.920
right now. And we're all gonna watch them together, by

511
00:29:14.960 --> 00:29:17.519
the way, including you guys at home, and then we're

512
00:29:17.519 --> 00:29:19.039
gonna break it down and talk about it.

513
00:29:19.119 --> 00:29:23.200
So without any further Ado, David, let it roll.

514
00:29:24.400 --> 00:29:28.319
And there's no sound in this either, there's no no, no,

515
00:29:28.920 --> 00:29:30.400
there's audio, but there's no talking.

516
00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:31.920
So enjoy.

517
00:29:33.279 --> 00:29:40.559
I don't hear any sound, David, really, Yeah, the sound

518
00:29:40.599 --> 00:29:45.000
is gone. That incredible, that incredible musical score.

519
00:29:46.759 --> 00:29:49.200
Oh, it's probably could just turned down way download. Okay,

520
00:29:50.000 --> 00:29:56.599
how is this is it coming in now?

521
00:29:58.799 --> 00:29:58.880
No?

522
00:30:00.519 --> 00:30:05.799
Yeah, nope, hmmm. When we when we when we ran

523
00:30:05.880 --> 00:30:07.319
the test run, it had sound.

524
00:30:08.039 --> 00:30:11.359
Yeah, let me let me see if I can do

525
00:30:11.400 --> 00:30:15.200
this one more time. So I folks a little technicalty here,

526
00:30:15.240 --> 00:30:16.279
but let me do this.

527
00:30:16.799 --> 00:30:21.400
Scott, he's on it. Don't worry. You're right, You're right.

528
00:30:22.519 --> 00:30:28.440
Eric looks like he's wearing a Klingon uniform, a t

529
00:30:28.559 --> 00:30:32.160
os Klingon uniform. So David and I get together on

530
00:30:32.200 --> 00:30:34.359
Wednesdays and we run through all the slide shows.

531
00:30:34.359 --> 00:30:35.119
We run through.

532
00:30:34.960 --> 00:30:37.039
Everything to make sure everything works and everything's in the

533
00:30:37.119 --> 00:30:39.559
right order. And when we did our test show, this

534
00:30:39.759 --> 00:30:40.720
was working perfectly.

535
00:30:41.400 --> 00:30:43.319
Is there a thing in there, David, where it's like

536
00:30:43.359 --> 00:30:45.799
on teams? I know, at the beginning, before you start

537
00:30:45.920 --> 00:30:47.759
to do anything, there's a button where you have to

538
00:30:47.839 --> 00:30:50.480
enable audio if you're having a presentation.

539
00:30:51.039 --> 00:30:54.240
Yeah, I thought I enabled that, So let's see I

540
00:30:54.359 --> 00:30:56.000
enabled it again. So let's sha if that works?

541
00:30:56.519 --> 00:30:56.880
Ready?

542
00:30:57.160 --> 00:30:57.880
Cool? Thank you?

543
00:30:59.640 --> 00:31:02.799
Try out plugging and plugging it back in there we go.

544
00:32:30.680 --> 00:35:01.440
Remember the.

545
00:35:12.440 --> 00:37:36.840
Lad lads, there are always possibilities, Buck said, And if

546
00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:42.119
Genesis is indeed life from death, I must return to

547
00:37:42.159 --> 00:39:55.039
this place again.

548
00:38:10.000 --> 00:40:01.079
A com mm hmmm.

549
00:40:20.360 --> 00:40:27.519
H h.

550
00:40:35.079 --> 00:40:39.480
All right, So, uh, Paul, what did you think?

551
00:40:40.519 --> 00:40:42.840
I gotta be honest, I thought those were fantastic.

552
00:40:43.639 --> 00:40:43.880
Yeah.

553
00:40:43.920 --> 00:40:48.559
I thought they were really really well done, very cinematic.

554
00:40:49.960 --> 00:40:53.639
I'm not familiar with this prediction particular production group, is

555
00:40:53.679 --> 00:40:54.159
it Toyo?

556
00:40:54.360 --> 00:40:55.360
Do I am saying it right?

557
00:40:55.960 --> 00:40:56.119
Uh?

558
00:40:56.519 --> 00:40:59.639
Toy I think, yeah, I'm sorry, I'm there new to me.

559
00:40:59.679 --> 00:41:02.119
I don't know them, but I production values are great,

560
00:41:02.239 --> 00:41:04.719
I mean, really, really really good. I mean there's that

561
00:41:04.880 --> 00:41:09.440
one shot where Kirk is like walking from left to

562
00:41:09.480 --> 00:41:11.760
right across the screen to get the badge from I

563
00:41:11.800 --> 00:41:15.320
want to say, it's your Is that his name? I

564
00:41:15.320 --> 00:41:19.360
think it's your? Yeah? Where in profile Kirk looks not

565
00:41:19.440 --> 00:41:21.800
so great, right, I mean in that one that's one

566
00:41:21.880 --> 00:41:24.360
shot though, right where it looks sort of like the

567
00:41:24.400 --> 00:41:28.840
cg's a little sketchy. But for the most part, it's fantastic, right,

568
00:41:28.960 --> 00:41:35.280
and really cinematic. I'm a fan of storytelling that doesn't

569
00:41:35.320 --> 00:41:38.400
spoon feed everything to you and explain everything to you.

570
00:41:38.480 --> 00:41:40.920
This is really something that's, you know, storytelling that's open

571
00:41:41.000 --> 00:41:44.400
to interpretation, right, I mean, it's it's a little bit

572
00:41:44.400 --> 00:41:46.920
more ambitious. It has a lot more in common with, like, say,

573
00:41:47.800 --> 00:41:49.760
the kind of storytelling you see in like the third

574
00:41:49.800 --> 00:41:51.880
act of two thousand and one, right where it's like

575
00:41:51.920 --> 00:41:54.639
you're you're you're having images and you kind of bring

576
00:41:54.679 --> 00:41:57.280
your own context what that meaning is, which I think

577
00:41:57.400 --> 00:41:57.960
is great.

578
00:41:57.840 --> 00:41:59.559
And good Lord.

579
00:41:59.599 --> 00:42:05.760
I mean they they recreated Yeoman cult from from.

580
00:42:05.679 --> 00:42:06.840
The cage, right.

581
00:42:06.960 --> 00:42:09.320
I mean that's for the benefit of our viewers who

582
00:42:09.400 --> 00:42:11.639
don't know this, right, and you're looking at this clip

583
00:42:12.000 --> 00:42:15.880
online not being able to see it during the podcast.

584
00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:19.079
That number at the beginning seven sixty five eight seven four,

585
00:42:20.239 --> 00:42:23.599
that's a reference to Yeoman cults, like service number, right,

586
00:42:23.639 --> 00:42:26.159
that they've used to sort of create a thread throughout

587
00:42:26.199 --> 00:42:30.360
these these shorts that have been produced with the Roddenberry Group. Right,

588
00:42:30.400 --> 00:42:32.480
So that's what that number indicates is it's a reference

589
00:42:32.480 --> 00:42:35.360
to human colt and my god, that actress looks exactly

590
00:42:35.480 --> 00:42:37.440
like her. I don't know if she's been augmented by

591
00:42:37.480 --> 00:42:41.599
CG or what, but her uniform, her face, her expressions

592
00:42:41.599 --> 00:42:46.320
looks exactly right her. It is incredibly done. The shot

593
00:42:46.480 --> 00:42:51.039
of of you know, original series Eric Kirk right wearing

594
00:42:51.039 --> 00:42:54.599
the Velure short, I mean amazing, really really great production values.

595
00:42:55.519 --> 00:42:57.719
These folks seem to have a really good cinematic sense

596
00:42:57.719 --> 00:43:01.159
of storytelling. It's like if I could get into a

597
00:43:01.239 --> 00:43:04.159
room with the folks the brain trust over at Paramount Plus. Right,

598
00:43:04.239 --> 00:43:08.039
I'd be like, guys, sack everybody who's been making the

599
00:43:08.079 --> 00:43:11.440
last two or three shows and hand it over to

600
00:43:11.480 --> 00:43:14.119
these guys, right, because they understand how to do a

601
00:43:14.119 --> 00:43:17.599
little bit more, you know, mature kind of storytelling that's

602
00:43:17.639 --> 00:43:19.920
more like a motion picture, and that doesn't you know,

603
00:43:23.039 --> 00:43:26.159
anachronistically dumb things down every five minutes, right, I mean,

604
00:43:26.199 --> 00:43:28.800
it's just that's some pretty good filmmaking. I have to say,

605
00:43:28.800 --> 00:43:31.320
I'm very impressed by this so and to me it

606
00:43:31.400 --> 00:43:37.119
felt like classic cinematic motion picture star trek right and

607
00:43:37.119 --> 00:43:40.079
and really I think is it Gino who did the score?

608
00:43:40.239 --> 00:43:44.079
I think who did the I think did the score

609
00:43:44.119 --> 00:43:47.360
for the JJ movies. I'm pretty sure Michael Gikino. H

610
00:43:47.360 --> 00:43:50.280
I mean, really really beautiful, evocative. I thought it brought

611
00:43:50.280 --> 00:43:53.159
some really great closure to like I think this was

612
00:43:53.239 --> 00:43:56.360
originally this last one was made as like a kind

613
00:43:56.360 --> 00:43:58.639
of a grace note to kind of tie things together

614
00:43:58.679 --> 00:44:01.559
in a way we never really got for generations, right

615
00:44:02.039 --> 00:44:04.679
when we saw the passing of Kirk Right, and I

616
00:44:04.679 --> 00:44:08.360
thought this paid really nice field eater that and it

617
00:44:08.440 --> 00:44:10.880
felt like, you know, to me, this was like the

618
00:44:10.960 --> 00:44:14.039
kind of thing whenever you talk about the short tracks

619
00:44:14.159 --> 00:44:16.559
they have on Paramount Plus, right, this is the kind

620
00:44:16.599 --> 00:44:18.480
of thing I would have hoped that they would have

621
00:44:18.519 --> 00:44:21.559
aspired to because this is whoever came up with this

622
00:44:21.719 --> 00:44:24.840
and put this together. You know, I'd love to have

623
00:44:24.840 --> 00:44:28.920
a conversation with him because they seem to really understand filmmaking. God,

624
00:44:29.000 --> 00:44:30.559
if we get him on the show, it'd be amazing.

625
00:44:30.559 --> 00:44:32.360
But I thought this was great, guys. I don't know

626
00:44:32.360 --> 00:44:34.400
if you all did, but man, I sure did really

627
00:44:34.480 --> 00:44:35.320
really top drawer.

628
00:44:36.199 --> 00:44:36.320
Well.

629
00:44:36.360 --> 00:44:38.920
I did a little bit of research on this, and

630
00:44:39.239 --> 00:44:43.079
the guy that plays Kirk is Sam Witter, who actually

631
00:44:43.119 --> 00:44:47.719
does the voice of Darth Maul on Star Trek or

632
00:44:47.800 --> 00:44:49.880
not Star Trek, I'm starting the Star.

633
00:44:49.639 --> 00:44:52.199
Wars Wars clone Wars Clone Wars.

634
00:44:52.280 --> 00:44:54.000
Yeah, that's great, terrific actor.

635
00:44:54.880 --> 00:44:58.360
And so the CGI of he looked just like Kirk.

636
00:44:58.360 --> 00:45:01.920
Guys was you guys not agree? Because CG was incredible,

637
00:45:02.000 --> 00:45:05.760
so much better than that that shoddy moth talking or

638
00:45:06.480 --> 00:45:07.760
Princess Leah that we got.

639
00:45:07.880 --> 00:45:09.559
You know that these guys look good.

640
00:45:10.280 --> 00:45:16.199
Stock looked incredible and Leonard Nimoy's widow gave them permission

641
00:45:16.239 --> 00:45:19.400
to do this, as did William Shatner. So this was

642
00:45:19.480 --> 00:45:23.320
completely you know, agreed upon by them.

643
00:45:23.639 --> 00:45:25.039
I just want to echo on what you just said

644
00:45:25.039 --> 00:45:27.719
and add one thing, Jim, is just you know, I mean,

645
00:45:28.000 --> 00:45:29.920
we've gotten used to it now after a couple of

646
00:45:29.960 --> 00:45:32.880
seasons of Strange New Worlds. Right, but they've had to

647
00:45:32.920 --> 00:45:37.679
like modernize everything, right, and soup it up and throw

648
00:45:37.760 --> 00:45:38.440
design at it.

649
00:45:38.559 --> 00:45:38.679
Right.

650
00:45:38.719 --> 00:45:41.599
Everything looks different, right, It's not the same uniforms, it's

651
00:45:41.639 --> 00:45:44.880
not the same fielty to detail. They've had to you know,

652
00:45:44.920 --> 00:45:46.719
we got to make it new, right, That's what they

653
00:45:46.760 --> 00:45:48.039
do now in Strange Worlds.

654
00:45:48.079 --> 00:45:48.199
Right.

655
00:45:48.199 --> 00:45:49.880
We've we've accepted it, we got used to it. But

656
00:45:50.360 --> 00:45:53.880
it was great to see the precise exact uniforms and

657
00:45:53.920 --> 00:45:57.039
the precise exact version of the Cage enterprise, right.

658
00:45:57.159 --> 00:45:59.280
I mean I I.

659
00:45:59.639 --> 00:46:03.119
Would love to see more episodes done in this style

660
00:46:03.840 --> 00:46:06.679
of the original series, where Kirk looks like Kirk and

661
00:46:06.719 --> 00:46:09.199
the old characters. I think that that to me is

662
00:46:09.239 --> 00:46:11.599
I think that's a hunger a lot of fans might have.

663
00:46:12.800 --> 00:46:18.719
So the reason we see we see Gary from where

664
00:46:18.760 --> 00:46:21.599
no man has gone before, we see Cult and the

665
00:46:21.639 --> 00:46:24.280
reason why we see them both from what I've been

666
00:46:24.320 --> 00:46:27.199
able to find is there was a comic book called

667
00:46:27.239 --> 00:46:32.039
Starfleet Academy. I believe it was where coult is sent

668
00:46:32.320 --> 00:46:38.280
into alternate realities to fix things. And when Spock mind

669
00:46:38.320 --> 00:46:43.280
melds with Nieger in the motion picture, he sees these

670
00:46:43.320 --> 00:46:49.880
alternate these alternate futures, and he finds Cult there and

671
00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:53.159
so he mine melds with Cult to tell Cult what's

672
00:46:53.199 --> 00:46:57.440
going to happen. Then Cult gets in touch with Gary,

673
00:46:57.719 --> 00:47:01.159
who didn't die in where no man has gone before.

674
00:47:01.639 --> 00:47:07.840
He goes and recreates this universe, resurrecting Kirk so that

675
00:47:08.000 --> 00:47:12.760
Kirk can say goodbye to Spock. Basically is what the

676
00:47:12.800 --> 00:47:16.159
gist of what I'm getting, And I don't know why

677
00:47:16.239 --> 00:47:19.920
your is there. I don't get that. But if you

678
00:47:19.920 --> 00:47:22.920
look real carefully in the audience, you will see Kovich

679
00:47:23.079 --> 00:47:26.800
is standing in the background, which is interesting. And there's

680
00:47:26.840 --> 00:47:31.519
also a Wesley Crusher, an older version of Wesley Crusher

681
00:47:31.639 --> 00:47:35.360
in the audience watching too. We do see Robin Curtis

682
00:47:35.079 --> 00:47:38.800
as Savig from Star Trek three, and we do see

683
00:47:39.119 --> 00:47:42.880
the son of Savc and Spock. There was a deleted

684
00:47:43.000 --> 00:47:48.119
scene from Star Trek four where where Savac stays behind

685
00:47:48.840 --> 00:47:51.039
to have the child, which we all thought I mean,

686
00:47:51.079 --> 00:47:55.880
come on, they Pondfard, for God's sakes in Star Trek three,

687
00:47:56.239 --> 00:48:02.079
so Kirk gets to meet Spock's sun is the gist

688
00:48:02.079 --> 00:48:04.559
of it. So yeah, I thought it was. It was

689
00:48:04.639 --> 00:48:09.159
very well done, very creative, and it looked phenomenal. As

690
00:48:09.159 --> 00:48:13.679
Paul said, all the cgi looked great, the score was great,

691
00:48:13.880 --> 00:48:16.719
and yeah, so I really liked it.

692
00:48:16.960 --> 00:48:21.599
What did you think, Eric, Well, I think there's no

693
00:48:21.760 --> 00:48:28.119
question that it looks amazing. It absolutely has a great soundtrack.

694
00:48:28.920 --> 00:48:32.199
I'm of course left with a little bit of what

695
00:48:32.239 --> 00:48:35.199
the heck is going on, especially in the first one.

696
00:48:35.679 --> 00:48:40.119
I think that multiple viewings is absolutely essential to even

697
00:48:40.159 --> 00:48:43.159
start to comprehend what's happening in any of these things.

698
00:48:43.760 --> 00:48:47.440
But you know that meme of Leonardo DiCaprio from What's

699
00:48:47.480 --> 00:48:49.800
Upon a Time in Hollywood where he, you know, he

700
00:48:49.880 --> 00:48:53.719
points because he recognizes something. To me, this feels like

701
00:48:54.000 --> 00:48:57.639
that was the spirit within which this was created. It's

702
00:48:57.719 --> 00:49:02.039
like they tried to meld for teen different things and

703
00:49:02.159 --> 00:49:06.199
bring them together into some sort of comprehensive story that

704
00:49:06.320 --> 00:49:12.320
made sense. And personally I found I'm pretty boring. I'm

705
00:49:12.400 --> 00:49:15.559
kind of tired of looking at Spock and Kirk. I'm

706
00:49:15.639 --> 00:49:20.000
kind of tired of cryptic stories. I'm certainly tired of

707
00:49:20.039 --> 00:49:22.039
AI and we're only going to get more of that

708
00:49:22.159 --> 00:49:26.000
as time goes by, and so I would have rather

709
00:49:26.199 --> 00:49:29.719
seen like cool new stories with cool new characters and

710
00:49:29.880 --> 00:49:33.280
cool sections of Star Trek that we haven't seen before.

711
00:49:34.280 --> 00:49:39.599
So I found it cryptic. I've found it. You have

712
00:49:39.679 --> 00:49:43.320
to literally research it to understand what's going on, and

713
00:49:43.840 --> 00:49:47.000
I would just rather grow. I would rather see Star

714
00:49:47.039 --> 00:49:51.239
Trek change evolve over time. That's the reason Star Trek

715
00:49:51.280 --> 00:49:53.440
Discovery was so good was that it actually took a

716
00:49:53.480 --> 00:49:56.840
paradigm and it turned it into a twenty first century

717
00:49:56.960 --> 00:50:03.400
version of itself. So you know, I mean the Genesis reference,

718
00:50:03.639 --> 00:50:06.440
like when he gives that in the movie, it's all

719
00:50:06.480 --> 00:50:09.400
about Spock, and yet this movie somehow turns it into

720
00:50:09.440 --> 00:50:12.519
something about Kirk himself or something. I don't even know.

721
00:50:13.920 --> 00:50:16.039
I don't disagree with what Paul said about the two

722
00:50:16.119 --> 00:50:18.639
thousand and one kind of similarities. I mean, the pace

723
00:50:18.760 --> 00:50:22.079
is very slow. There's that scene where the multiple Kirks

724
00:50:22.079 --> 00:50:23.800
are sort of looking at each other, which is very

725
00:50:23.880 --> 00:50:25.760
David Bowman from two thousand and one.

726
00:50:27.239 --> 00:50:27.519
Great.

727
00:50:27.719 --> 00:50:29.840
I did it, Leonardo Ditaprion, I was like two thousand

728
00:50:29.880 --> 00:50:32.920
and one, and that was literally the depth of that

729
00:50:33.199 --> 00:50:37.360
entire scene to me. So I just found it boring

730
00:50:37.360 --> 00:50:39.280
and tedious mostly tell you the truth.

731
00:50:40.800 --> 00:50:43.519
All Right, we have a boring and tedious vote, how

732
00:50:43.559 --> 00:50:44.320
about you, David?

733
00:50:48.519 --> 00:50:51.920
All Right, you're right, I had muted. Yeah, my button

734
00:50:51.960 --> 00:50:56.039
didn't work anyways. Yeah, I enjoyed it. I liked it.

735
00:50:56.199 --> 00:51:01.760
I am excited about where AI is going. I actually

736
00:51:01.800 --> 00:51:07.079
kind of want to see an actual full episode of

737
00:51:07.239 --> 00:51:13.119
any genre star trek of like any you know, maybe

738
00:51:13.360 --> 00:51:16.920
cook Age, I Guess Era or something, to see like

739
00:51:17.679 --> 00:51:22.519
how they do with the faciage voices, interactions and all

740
00:51:22.519 --> 00:51:25.639
this stuff. And so it would be kind of interesting

741
00:51:25.679 --> 00:51:32.039
to see a full video or episode of like maybe

742
00:51:32.199 --> 00:51:36.320
they can continue on with the the cook era of

743
00:51:36.400 --> 00:51:39.280
like continuing a five year mission or something. Maybe make

744
00:51:39.519 --> 00:51:41.639
season four and five with it or something. I'd be

745
00:51:41.679 --> 00:51:45.559
kind of interesting to see. But I'm also a little

746
00:51:45.599 --> 00:51:51.039
worried about this AI mechanics because if falling into the

747
00:51:51.039 --> 00:51:56.880
wronghand can be pretty bad, especially for those who get

748
00:51:56.920 --> 00:52:01.639
their news or like any kind of from somewhere a

749
00:52:01.840 --> 00:52:04.760
I can really mess things up. I can imagine that happening,

750
00:52:06.599 --> 00:52:11.800
but yeah, it can be good for entertainment, I think

751
00:52:12.239 --> 00:52:16.800
where I think it should really keep AI restricted too,

752
00:52:17.400 --> 00:52:18.400
to be honest, but.

753
00:52:20.519 --> 00:52:20.920
I don't know.

754
00:52:21.000 --> 00:52:26.039
I mean, it'd be interesting shore what they go with it.

755
00:52:26.760 --> 00:52:29.400
There was another comment that I wanted to mention that

756
00:52:29.440 --> 00:52:33.719
I kind of way over my head. But to me,

757
00:52:33.840 --> 00:52:37.199
though it's it's it's pretty good. I enjoyed it. I

758
00:52:37.280 --> 00:52:39.440
just I always wonder, like, how long does it take

759
00:52:39.440 --> 00:52:42.800
for them to actually make like even a nine and

760
00:52:42.800 --> 00:52:46.199
a half minute like this, for instance, video of just

761
00:52:46.280 --> 00:52:48.519
using AI and all that code that they have to

762
00:52:48.519 --> 00:52:51.599
put in. That's gotta be a lot of work. Well

763
00:52:51.679 --> 00:52:52.000
that's the.

764
00:52:52.639 --> 00:52:55.440
Kind of like, hey, I don't actually have to code.

765
00:52:55.559 --> 00:52:58.519
You just put in what you want and it sort

766
00:52:58.519 --> 00:53:00.000
of starts to spit it out.

767
00:52:59.880 --> 00:53:03.039
So it's okay. Well then the coach making code, I

768
00:53:03.079 --> 00:53:04.000
guess it's.

769
00:53:03.960 --> 00:53:08.159
Much less like human centered in terms of how it's produced.

770
00:53:07.719 --> 00:53:14.039
And it's we're teaching AI how to destroy ourselves. But

771
00:53:14.320 --> 00:53:17.360
I mean, either way, it's the idea that AI is

772
00:53:17.639 --> 00:53:22.920
pretty good. It does, and I'm I think that's what

773
00:53:23.000 --> 00:53:24.760
I was going to mention that I went open my

774
00:53:24.800 --> 00:53:32.079
head that someone mentioned that AI was the region that

775
00:53:32.360 --> 00:53:33.760
the Hollywood went on strike.

776
00:53:34.559 --> 00:53:38.800
Is that correct to my Yeah, absolutely, that's that was

777
00:53:38.840 --> 00:53:40.159
one one of the strike was about.

778
00:53:40.679 --> 00:53:45.800
Ye, this is digital characters with no you know, with

779
00:53:45.960 --> 00:53:48.800
no people involved other than the people who are directing

780
00:53:48.840 --> 00:53:51.519
the computers as to how to do things. So you know,

781
00:53:51.719 --> 00:53:53.639
who's to say that they couldn't take us from our

782
00:53:53.679 --> 00:53:56.000
podcast and take my visage and do whatever they want

783
00:53:56.079 --> 00:53:59.840
with it. Actually, actually, now it's even easier because now

784
00:54:00.239 --> 00:54:03.480
the reins have been taken off by executive order in

785
00:54:03.519 --> 00:54:05.440
the United States. For that to actually happen, I don't

786
00:54:05.480 --> 00:54:06.199
know if you guys know that.

787
00:54:06.199 --> 00:54:09.800
Or oh, yeah, that could be bad. I can imagine

788
00:54:09.840 --> 00:54:15.119
that being shot down pretty quickly, especially for the rights

789
00:54:15.199 --> 00:54:19.480
of people who need to you know, the people have

790
00:54:19.599 --> 00:54:22.440
rights right. So the idea is that if that goes through,

791
00:54:22.679 --> 00:54:25.360
then yeah, that's gonna be really bad. But on the

792
00:54:25.400 --> 00:54:28.440
other hand, like I said before, if they keep it

793
00:54:28.480 --> 00:54:34.280
to strictly just to entertainment only and maybe only do

794
00:54:34.400 --> 00:54:38.920
it to people who are alive that shine consent, maybe

795
00:54:39.199 --> 00:54:42.960
that can probably be okay. But I can imagine that

796
00:54:43.159 --> 00:54:45.039
they would definitely do it to people who are like,

797
00:54:46.039 --> 00:54:49.920
you know, long gone, and they would probably make another

798
00:54:50.039 --> 00:54:53.360
type of Aben Costello show or something a black and

799
00:54:53.400 --> 00:54:56.280
white AI. That would be probably really easy for AI

800
00:54:56.360 --> 00:55:00.519
to do. So yeah, I don't know. I mean, I

801
00:55:00.519 --> 00:55:04.079
would definitely put it in a restrictive envelope and shay

802
00:55:04.119 --> 00:55:05.920
it can only do a certain things. But that's just

803
00:55:05.960 --> 00:55:08.119
my two cents on it. But yeah, that's all I

804
00:55:08.199 --> 00:55:08.679
gotta say.

805
00:55:09.719 --> 00:55:15.000
What do you think, Charles, Well, I've seen a little

806
00:55:15.000 --> 00:55:17.840
bit of some of the storylines to it. I hadn't

807
00:55:17.880 --> 00:55:21.639
heard all the storylines. I do know the fact that

808
00:55:23.840 --> 00:55:26.440
the first video I think the first or maybe the

809
00:55:26.480 --> 00:55:29.960
first and second, actually showed up a Star Trek Las

810
00:55:30.039 --> 00:55:33.719
Vegas and about twenty twenty three I believe it was

811
00:55:36.000 --> 00:55:39.920
now I know I showed this one one of the

812
00:55:40.000 --> 00:55:43.360
versions to my Star Trek Club, I think it was November,

813
00:55:44.679 --> 00:55:47.280
and I saw a lot of jaws drop on the floor.

814
00:55:48.159 --> 00:55:54.000
They were very surprised at what could be done. It

815
00:55:54.079 --> 00:55:56.639
was interesting. Somewhere I saw a picture and I can't

816
00:55:56.760 --> 00:56:01.159
find the picture actually showed Robin Curtis and model modeling

817
00:56:01.199 --> 00:56:05.880
her dress for the movie, so she was not at

818
00:56:05.920 --> 00:56:08.559
all cgi she was actually filmed.

819
00:56:11.159 --> 00:56:11.679
But this.

820
00:56:13.400 --> 00:56:17.000
Can't really say there's much a fan film as this

821
00:56:17.159 --> 00:56:22.960
is backed by Roden Berry and rod Berry Industries. So

822
00:56:23.000 --> 00:56:25.079
they've got a lot of access to a lot of

823
00:56:25.440 --> 00:56:32.440
archives which they can get into old Star Trek footage

824
00:56:32.639 --> 00:56:35.440
and stuff that normally only the studios can get a

825
00:56:35.440 --> 00:56:39.880
hold of. So it'd be interesting to see what they

826
00:56:39.920 --> 00:56:42.159
do with it. We do know, as I say David's

827
00:56:42.239 --> 00:56:44.840
side of it. Yeah, they could be doing some stuff,

828
00:56:44.880 --> 00:56:49.400
but you gotta be careful of what you do. An

829
00:56:49.440 --> 00:56:51.880
actor sit there and says, okay, they can come in

830
00:56:52.000 --> 00:56:56.239
for a thirty minute shoot. They come in and shoot,

831
00:56:56.360 --> 00:57:02.320
take picture, take film from him from all sides, and

832
00:57:02.679 --> 00:57:05.639
that's all you get paid for. Was it hours of work?

833
00:57:06.440 --> 00:57:11.800
Yet they cast him in a full length movie because

834
00:57:11.840 --> 00:57:14.480
I use his image, but it's AI. They may say

835
00:57:14.519 --> 00:57:18.360
he doesn't get any money from it, So that's taking

836
00:57:18.440 --> 00:57:22.400
money away away from actors. So it's a direction you

837
00:57:22.519 --> 00:57:26.320
got to be careful of. That's why the strike was

838
00:57:26.360 --> 00:57:31.800
being careful of what they do with AI. Having AI

839
00:57:31.960 --> 00:57:35.239
computer sit there and write the whole script. Okay, there's

840
00:57:35.280 --> 00:57:38.239
no need for a writer. Then do you really want

841
00:57:38.239 --> 00:57:40.639
to have a movie with no writer in having Evan

842
00:57:40.679 --> 00:57:44.599
computer write the whole thing. Some of the stuff we've

843
00:57:44.599 --> 00:57:47.679
seen about what computer's right can be good. Something cannot

844
00:57:47.760 --> 00:57:51.840
be so good, so we got to be careful where

845
00:57:51.840 --> 00:57:52.320
we're going.

846
00:57:59.760 --> 00:58:02.119
Well, I just think I saw an interview with Sam

847
00:58:02.159 --> 00:58:06.320
would Wear and he said the reason why they wanted

848
00:58:06.360 --> 00:58:09.960
to do this is they wanted to keep, you know,

849
00:58:10.719 --> 00:58:14.320
the images of Kirk and Spock alive, and they wanted

850
00:58:14.320 --> 00:58:16.480
to show that they could do it so that, say,

851
00:58:16.480 --> 00:58:19.360
one hundred years from now, they could do a Leonard

852
00:58:19.400 --> 00:58:22.639
Nimoy and William Shattner version of Kirk and Spock so

853
00:58:22.719 --> 00:58:26.559
that fans could enjoy that and like we do today

854
00:58:26.639 --> 00:58:29.320
and see how good they could make it. Now, there

855
00:58:29.360 --> 00:58:33.039
was no voices in that one, so you know that

856
00:58:33.199 --> 00:58:34.000
was just images.

857
00:58:34.719 --> 00:58:35.679
So how would that work?

858
00:58:35.920 --> 00:58:38.960
Would we be able to catch it if if they

859
00:58:39.079 --> 00:58:43.840
actually made an episode with it instead of just images

860
00:58:43.880 --> 00:58:44.480
like they did.

861
00:58:44.840 --> 00:58:45.920
I don't know. Look at what.

862
00:58:47.599 --> 00:58:50.000
Look at what they did with Major Rnberry's voice in

863
00:58:50.039 --> 00:58:50.519
the computer.

864
00:58:53.840 --> 00:58:56.000
Can I just ask a question of the of the group,

865
00:58:56.079 --> 00:58:59.639
which is that so? So most of the stuff that

866
00:58:59.639 --> 00:59:01.880
we're talking talking about that we liked about this has

867
00:59:01.920 --> 00:59:06.360
to do with either a the way it looks or

868
00:59:06.800 --> 00:59:10.079
b the fact that we think it's really cool that

869
00:59:10.079 --> 00:59:14.079
they can do it. Does anybody have any comments? On

870
00:59:14.880 --> 00:59:18.239
the ethical consequences of doing this kind of thing and

871
00:59:18.280 --> 00:59:20.320
where that might go in the future.

872
00:59:23.039 --> 00:59:26.199
Well, I think that's what Sam. The whole purpose behind

873
00:59:26.199 --> 00:59:30.559
it was. Sam specifically said that they had permission from

874
00:59:31.119 --> 00:59:34.920
Leonard Nimoy and William Shatner's estates to do this, and

875
00:59:35.000 --> 00:59:38.639
that they actually they actually paid them to do this,

876
00:59:39.159 --> 00:59:41.599
and that in the future, if they were going to

877
00:59:41.679 --> 00:59:45.039
use the likeness of Shatner or any of the Star

878
00:59:45.119 --> 00:59:47.880
Trek actors for that matter, that they would have to

879
00:59:48.039 --> 00:59:50.159
pay to do it. And I think that's what the

880
00:59:50.199 --> 00:59:55.079
strike was about, right, was creating images of the actors

881
00:59:55.119 --> 00:59:58.559
without compensating them. Isn't that what the strike was about?

882
00:59:58.920 --> 01:00:00.800
Well to a degree. But I think Eric makes a

883
01:00:00.800 --> 01:00:03.400
great point, right because right now, okay, we have a

884
01:00:03.440 --> 01:00:05.639
situation where it's like, yeah, okay, this is you know,

885
01:00:05.880 --> 01:00:10.159
best case scenario, right, the ni Moy estate, you know,

886
01:00:10.280 --> 01:00:14.960
the Shatner, you know, everybody who's evolved involved is you know,

887
01:00:15.199 --> 01:00:18.039
within the auspices of Roddenberry. Right, They're all doing it,

888
01:00:18.119 --> 01:00:21.239
and it's it's legit quote unquote, right. I mean I

889
01:00:21.320 --> 01:00:23.360
don't think anybody you know, I don't know about the

890
01:00:23.400 --> 01:00:26.800
actress who played Yeoman Colt. Right, she's not like a

891
01:00:26.920 --> 01:00:29.960
huge luminary. So I don't know if anybody contacted her estate,

892
01:00:29.960 --> 01:00:33.519
I would hope so, and because they're using her likeness,

893
01:00:33.519 --> 01:00:37.480
but we don't know, right, I mean right now, Yeah,

894
01:00:37.599 --> 01:00:41.360
there was a strike, right, And the reason that there

895
01:00:41.440 --> 01:00:45.079
was a strike in Hollywood was because not because of

896
01:00:45.159 --> 01:00:51.480
them wanting to have this issue of you know, AI

897
01:00:51.679 --> 01:00:53.920
and likeness is resolved. The reason there was a strike

898
01:00:54.079 --> 01:00:57.360
is because there is a guild, because there is a union,

899
01:00:57.719 --> 01:01:01.039
right that's there to protect us. Right, That's the reason

900
01:01:01.079 --> 01:01:03.639
that the strike was allowed to happen. We are moving

901
01:01:03.679 --> 01:01:05.559
into you know, David said a few minutes ago, Well,

902
01:01:05.599 --> 01:01:08.320
you know people have rights, right, don't they? You know, Well,

903
01:01:08.320 --> 01:01:11.079
we're moving into an error right now that is starting

904
01:01:11.079 --> 01:01:14.679
to unschool you know, this very weak where rights are

905
01:01:14.679 --> 01:01:19.840
going away, and you know, at some point the people

906
01:01:19.880 --> 01:01:23.360
who are you know, trying to engineer things are dear.

907
01:01:23.239 --> 01:01:24.440
Leader, right.

908
01:01:24.719 --> 01:01:27.039
They they want to get this to a place where

909
01:01:27.039 --> 01:01:30.480
there are no more guilts, there are no more unions.

910
01:01:30.559 --> 01:01:34.239
They're very anti union, they're very anti guilt. And at

911
01:01:34.280 --> 01:01:36.360
some point somebody's going to try to figure out a

912
01:01:36.360 --> 01:01:38.880
way to take away the screen actors guild take away

913
01:01:38.920 --> 01:01:41.920
the writer's guilt and you know, so Eric makes a

914
01:01:41.920 --> 01:01:43.719
great point is we have to be super vigilant about

915
01:01:43.760 --> 01:01:46.599
this stuff because just about things maybe the way they

916
01:01:46.599 --> 01:01:49.800
are right now, you know, be fearful of the way

917
01:01:49.880 --> 01:01:52.880
that you know, bad actors, not the kind with sadcards,

918
01:01:52.920 --> 01:01:57.920
but bad actors that maybe have billions of dollars are

919
01:01:57.960 --> 01:02:02.880
looking to enrich themselves further by doing damage to the

920
01:02:02.880 --> 01:02:06.760
fundamental you know, rights to our society. Am I putting

921
01:02:06.800 --> 01:02:07.440
words in your mouth?

922
01:02:07.519 --> 01:02:07.639
Eric?

923
01:02:07.719 --> 01:02:08.480
Or is that where you're going?

924
01:02:09.119 --> 01:02:12.719
Oh, that's that's absolutely where I'm going. And I think

925
01:02:12.760 --> 01:02:17.199
that recent events and you know, revoking of sort of

926
01:02:17.599 --> 01:02:20.239
safeties that have been put on the development of AI

927
01:02:20.519 --> 01:02:25.239
have now unleashed Pandora's box. And to me, this is

928
01:02:25.280 --> 01:02:28.079
a harbinger of things to come. I think right now

929
01:02:28.079 --> 01:02:31.000
we're stuck in Wow, this is really cool. Wow. I

930
01:02:31.039 --> 01:02:35.440
love seeing Spock do his thing great. And I don't

931
01:02:35.440 --> 01:02:38.559
believe that anybody at the Roddenberry Archive has malicious intent.

932
01:02:38.639 --> 01:02:42.840
I really really don't. And also, this is an entirely

933
01:02:42.920 --> 01:02:46.880
new form of art that barely involves people that we're

934
01:02:46.880 --> 01:02:50.159
going to see used to the nth degree in the

935
01:02:50.199 --> 01:02:55.960
next ten years, certainly the next four years, but probably

936
01:02:56.239 --> 01:03:00.559
beyond that. And so I think that generally making our

937
01:03:00.679 --> 01:03:06.159
technology tends to outpace society's ability to actually adapt to it.

938
01:03:06.679 --> 01:03:09.639
And AI is one of those things that is just

939
01:03:09.800 --> 01:03:14.400
accelerating so quickly that it's hard to keep track of

940
01:03:14.639 --> 01:03:18.039
and the fact that it looks cool is not enough

941
01:03:18.119 --> 01:03:20.840
for me to accept it as Wow, I want more

942
01:03:20.840 --> 01:03:24.679
of this. That's just where I am.

943
01:03:24.800 --> 01:03:27.159
Now, what amount of the next Star Trek series had

944
01:03:27.159 --> 01:03:31.840
a completely totally CGI character that didn't They created it

945
01:03:31.840 --> 01:03:34.840
out of nothingness and it wasn't an actor and it

946
01:03:34.880 --> 01:03:38.159
was a CGI character kind of like the doctor on Voyager,

947
01:03:38.440 --> 01:03:40.440
only not being played by Robert Riccardo.

948
01:03:41.159 --> 01:03:43.599
Would that be okay? Would you be?

949
01:03:43.760 --> 01:03:46.639
I would ask myself why did they not hire an

950
01:03:46.639 --> 01:03:54.719
actor to do that job? Hmhmm you know, I mean, well, particular,

951
01:03:56.840 --> 01:03:58.880
are you saying that they're going to bring back a

952
01:03:59.000 --> 01:04:02.599
character from the past that would be entirely CGI?

953
01:04:03.039 --> 01:04:05.440
No, say it's a it's a digital character that lives

954
01:04:05.639 --> 01:04:07.360
in the holid deck.

955
01:04:07.519 --> 01:04:09.679
Or who's gonna voice that character?

956
01:04:09.920 --> 01:04:11.960
You know? CG They'll get they'll get it.

957
01:04:12.039 --> 01:04:15.559
They'll have they'll have a Chad CPT do the voice.

958
01:04:15.679 --> 01:04:17.800
Yeah, well then, but the point I think Eric's making is,

959
01:04:17.840 --> 01:04:21.719
here's one less person they have to pay, right, they

960
01:04:21.800 --> 01:04:23.159
create a cgi character.

961
01:04:23.320 --> 01:04:23.880
That's not good.

962
01:04:24.079 --> 01:04:25.639
We don't want to we don't want to start putting

963
01:04:25.639 --> 01:04:27.440
people out of work because if you can, you know,

964
01:04:27.519 --> 01:04:30.639
avoid hiring one individual, well there's one person on the

965
01:04:30.679 --> 01:04:33.239
crew that we don't have to pay, you know, get

966
01:04:33.280 --> 01:04:35.800
around that, then pretty much the whole thing, they can

967
01:04:35.840 --> 01:04:39.440
erase everyone because the way that you know, the financial

968
01:04:39.559 --> 01:04:42.400
entities that are trying to manipulate our lives right now,

969
01:04:42.440 --> 01:04:44.840
they they basically, how do we save as much money

970
01:04:44.880 --> 01:04:46.920
as humanly possible? How do we get as rich as

971
01:04:47.000 --> 01:04:50.480
humanly possible. You can avoid paying one person, you can

972
01:04:50.519 --> 01:04:53.199
avoid paying everyone. So I'm against it.

973
01:04:53.320 --> 01:04:56.440
I mean, Jim, if it's a role that literally cannot

974
01:04:56.480 --> 01:04:59.039
be played by a human for some reason, like we

975
01:04:59.079 --> 01:05:04.760
already have, you know, computer animated characters, so we've already

976
01:05:05.159 --> 01:05:09.239
done the like visual part of it, and everybody's cool

977
01:05:09.280 --> 01:05:12.239
with that because they can create cool characters like rock

978
01:05:12.320 --> 01:05:15.119
Talk or Murph for you know, characters that like literally

979
01:05:15.199 --> 01:05:18.760
couldn't be played by a person, but those are still

980
01:05:18.840 --> 01:05:21.639
voiced by human beings. So I guess your question is, well,

981
01:05:21.679 --> 01:05:25.159
what if they put a CGI or excuse me, not CGI.

982
01:05:25.199 --> 01:05:30.360
What if they put an AI voice to Amurph style character. Well,

983
01:05:31.000 --> 01:05:33.320
that's an actor out of work. And that, to me

984
01:05:33.559 --> 01:05:36.199
was what the whole strike was all about. And we

985
01:05:36.239 --> 01:05:40.719
all on this podcast said that we supported the SAG

986
01:05:40.760 --> 01:05:43.480
after strike, and if we're to put our money where

987
01:05:43.519 --> 01:05:47.360
our mouth is, we can't possibly say, oh, it's okay

988
01:05:47.480 --> 01:05:51.280
to replace a person's visage and a person's voice with

989
01:05:51.440 --> 01:05:55.559
AI and put somebody out of work. Otherwise we're just

990
01:05:55.559 --> 01:05:57.000
talking out both sides of our mouth.

991
01:05:57.880 --> 01:06:02.719
Well, it's it's not a person. They're not recreating Kirk

992
01:06:02.800 --> 01:06:04.639
or Spock there there, Jim.

993
01:06:04.639 --> 01:06:07.639
It takes an actor to do a voice. What I'm

994
01:06:07.679 --> 01:06:11.320
saying is that if they use AI to create the

995
01:06:11.400 --> 01:06:16.159
person's visage, that character's visage, excuse me, the character's visage,

996
01:06:16.679 --> 01:06:20.960
and the character's voice, that is an actor out of work.

997
01:06:23.440 --> 01:06:24.920
So what are you really saying.

998
01:06:28.880 --> 01:06:30.639
I don't understand your question. I just told you what

999
01:06:30.679 --> 01:06:31.679
I was really saying.

1000
01:06:31.719 --> 01:06:36.719
That that's what you're really saying. Okay, all right, okay, Jim.

1001
01:06:36.920 --> 01:06:38.960
You go to the grocery store every now and then.

1002
01:06:40.320 --> 01:06:43.000
Well I've I've been known to buy groceries from there.

1003
01:06:43.079 --> 01:06:46.320
Yeah, okay, all right, So here's the kind of thing, right, Basically,

1004
01:06:46.440 --> 01:06:48.480
let me give you a kind of speak in metaphor.

1005
01:06:48.519 --> 01:06:49.760
It's the only way I can communicate.

1006
01:06:49.840 --> 01:06:50.000
Right.

1007
01:06:50.440 --> 01:06:52.760
You go to the grocery store, right, and in the

1008
01:06:52.840 --> 01:06:56.159
old days, you would walk through the checkout line and

1009
01:06:56.199 --> 01:07:00.320
there would be Gladys or Billy who would be your clerk, right,

1010
01:07:00.360 --> 01:07:02.360
and they would take your stuff off the conveyor belt

1011
01:07:02.400 --> 01:07:04.920
and say how you doing, you know, and check your

1012
01:07:04.960 --> 01:07:07.639
ID and whatnot. But a lot of stores now they

1013
01:07:07.639 --> 01:07:11.239
have like the self checkout, the you scan okay, and

1014
01:07:11.320 --> 01:07:14.079
so that is for every one of those kiosks that's

1015
01:07:14.079 --> 01:07:17.280
there where you scan your own shit, right and swipe

1016
01:07:17.320 --> 01:07:19.960
your own card and bag your own groceries. Those are

1017
01:07:20.000 --> 01:07:24.440
people out of work that have been replaced by a machine.

1018
01:07:24.599 --> 01:07:28.599
And that's basically the model that Hollywood is looking at, right,

1019
01:07:28.760 --> 01:07:30.199
the digital character.

1020
01:07:30.159 --> 01:07:33.320
People use my machines. Then that's that, you know, that's

1021
01:07:33.360 --> 01:07:35.159
your opinion. It's not my opinion.

1022
01:07:37.039 --> 01:07:39.159
The problem is it's like, you know, it's just because

1023
01:07:39.199 --> 01:07:41.360
you can do a thing doesn't mean that you should

1024
01:07:41.360 --> 01:07:44.079
do a thing. Very I think we have to keep

1025
01:07:44.079 --> 01:07:46.800
that in mind, right, and the problem with this stuff

1026
01:07:46.880 --> 01:07:49.519
is and I think Eric intimated this earlier, right, and

1027
01:07:49.559 --> 01:07:51.559
then we're really getting off on a tangent with this

1028
01:07:51.599 --> 01:07:54.199
is amazing, But I think it's good in conversation. So,

1029
01:07:54.400 --> 01:08:01.079
you know, uh, with technology, right, once you've let something out,

1030
01:08:02.079 --> 01:08:06.360
it's very difficult to curtail it and stop it again. Right,

1031
01:08:07.000 --> 01:08:10.719
the toothpaste doesn't go back in the tube very easily. Right,

1032
01:08:10.760 --> 01:08:14.199
Once you've unleashed something, you know, it's very difficult to

1033
01:08:14.280 --> 01:08:16.439
leash it back up and make it go away. And

1034
01:08:16.479 --> 01:08:19.079
so we have to be really careful because we're kind

1035
01:08:19.079 --> 01:08:23.319
of we're unleashing variables and have the potential to do

1036
01:08:23.359 --> 01:08:26.399
a lot of damage, you know, maybe permanent damage.

1037
01:08:27.800 --> 01:08:32.239
There is a question what would happen if AI got

1038
01:08:32.279 --> 01:08:36.520
so good to the point where it became the next president.

1039
01:08:38.199 --> 01:08:42.720
I don't think we're that far away from that, David, Like,

1040
01:08:42.800 --> 01:08:44.560
I really don't think we're that far away from that.

1041
01:08:44.640 --> 01:08:47.159
I think that we've already seen deep fakes that are

1042
01:08:47.279 --> 01:08:52.439
indistinguishable from reality. We already know that most of the

1043
01:08:52.479 --> 01:08:56.319
world gets their news from you know, various sources that

1044
01:08:56.359 --> 01:08:59.079
include video and audio and that sort of stuff, and

1045
01:08:59.119 --> 01:09:02.600
that stuff is becoming easier and easier to fake. So

1046
01:09:03.640 --> 01:09:05.600
I just I just don't think we're that far away

1047
01:09:05.600 --> 01:09:08.960
from an AI president or world leader or any of

1048
01:09:08.960 --> 01:09:11.640
that sort of stuff. And I know it sounds like

1049
01:09:11.680 --> 01:09:14.119
science fiction, but I'll tell you what, man, I have

1050
01:09:14.239 --> 01:09:17.560
read thousands of science fiction books, and the direction we're

1051
01:09:17.600 --> 01:09:21.439
heading right now is exactly where cyberpunk ends up. It's

1052
01:09:21.520 --> 01:09:22.720
exactly where it ends up.

1053
01:09:22.840 --> 01:09:25.840
Yeah, we don't exactly have Max headroom right now, but

1054
01:09:25.920 --> 01:09:28.560
we do have Max douchebag, and we.

1055
01:09:28.560 --> 01:09:31.479
Have we don't have any benevolent force working for our

1056
01:09:31.520 --> 01:09:37.560
benefit right now and without that, and like I mean

1057
01:09:37.720 --> 01:09:39.520
not to like get too far into the weeds, but

1058
01:09:39.640 --> 01:09:43.520
like the United States actually did have some protections against this,

1059
01:09:43.720 --> 01:09:48.000
Like we had a system by which AI was to

1060
01:09:48.079 --> 01:09:53.479
be developed that was implemented by the previous administration that

1061
01:09:53.560 --> 01:09:57.359
was based on five tenants, just like you know Asimov's

1062
01:09:58.039 --> 01:10:01.960
robot rules, you know, like robot can't kill people. I

1063
01:10:02.000 --> 01:10:03.840
don't remember exactly what they are, but it's like there's

1064
01:10:03.880 --> 01:10:07.600
these three tenants that Asimov wrote about thirty forty fifty

1065
01:10:07.680 --> 01:10:11.039
years ago. Well, we had those for AI, and they

1066
01:10:11.079 --> 01:10:14.039
have now been removed. And that means that the bridle

1067
01:10:14.119 --> 01:10:18.560
is off. Whoever wants to develop whatever level of AI

1068
01:10:18.920 --> 01:10:23.000
can develop it, and they don't have to inform anybody

1069
01:10:23.039 --> 01:10:25.239
about what's going on, and they don't have to share

1070
01:10:25.279 --> 01:10:28.119
that technology with any governments. So as soon as you

1071
01:10:28.199 --> 01:10:31.720
get a company that's developing the ultimate AI, and you

1072
01:10:31.800 --> 01:10:35.560
get a company like Boston Dynamics that's developing the ultimate robot,

1073
01:10:35.960 --> 01:10:39.119
and you put those together, that is terminator, dude. And

1074
01:10:39.199 --> 01:10:42.039
I don't think I'm just talking about science fiction. I

1075
01:10:42.079 --> 01:10:44.520
think I'm talking about a possible reality.

1076
01:10:45.119 --> 01:10:48.439
Now, go watch a picture from I want to say

1077
01:10:48.439 --> 01:10:51.319
the late sixties. It used to be on like all

1078
01:10:51.319 --> 01:10:53.359
the time. Jim's probably going to remember this, but there

1079
01:10:53.399 --> 01:10:58.720
was an old sci fi picture called Colossus the Foreben Project, right,

1080
01:10:58.800 --> 01:11:01.880
and that is exactly what Eric is talking about. Is

1081
01:11:01.920 --> 01:11:09.159
where you know, computer scientists basically create a supercomputer, right,

1082
01:11:09.239 --> 01:11:11.800
but there's no guardrails for it, you know at all.

1083
01:11:11.840 --> 01:11:13.640
This is kind of thing that you know, Star Trek's

1084
01:11:13.640 --> 01:11:16.000
always been, you know, the old star Trek used to

1085
01:11:16.119 --> 01:11:19.720
warn us about all the time, right, and and it

1086
01:11:19.720 --> 01:11:23.600
it basically ended up the computer anointed itself as master

1087
01:11:23.680 --> 01:11:26.279
of the world and that all of human beings were

1088
01:11:26.319 --> 01:11:29.199
its slaves right to do what it said and you

1089
01:11:29.439 --> 01:11:33.720
would follow what its orders were. And that's not that

1090
01:11:33.920 --> 01:11:37.279
far down the road if unless somebody starts coming in

1091
01:11:37.319 --> 01:11:39.399
and having a little bit more of an ethical compass

1092
01:11:39.680 --> 01:11:41.079
that the decisions that are happening.

1093
01:11:41.840 --> 01:11:44.399
Yeah, I honestly think that this is where the world

1094
01:11:44.479 --> 01:11:46.600
is actually heading toward right now. And not to be

1095
01:11:46.680 --> 01:11:48.920
doom and gloom and everything like that, but the whole

1096
01:11:49.359 --> 01:11:52.920
superpower of AI that's about to come into it's not

1097
01:11:53.000 --> 01:11:55.880
just from America either, I mean China, I mean all

1098
01:11:55.920 --> 01:11:59.640
those other countries out there, Russia, I would imagine probably

1099
01:11:59.800 --> 01:12:02.680
all developing the shimilar type of AI as well. So

1100
01:12:03.960 --> 01:12:07.520
if a one world government ever died come into power,

1101
01:12:07.600 --> 01:12:10.439
it probably would be run by AI. I would imagine,

1102
01:12:10.840 --> 01:12:13.479
probably from like some sort of Angel institute or something.

1103
01:12:16.000 --> 01:12:19.800
But ties a little bit in the Star Trek. Let's

1104
01:12:19.800 --> 01:12:25.760
look at Lower Decks. Our favorite actor, mister Combs. What

1105
01:12:26.000 --> 01:12:30.119
character did he play in Lower Decks?

1106
01:12:30.199 --> 01:12:34.920
One of many evil Agamemnon was it Agamus?

1107
01:12:36.760 --> 01:12:42.039
One of many evil computers that were a form of AI.

1108
01:12:43.760 --> 01:12:46.439
And it wasn't just him. Remember, he got stuck into

1109
01:12:46.439 --> 01:12:53.319
a whole room of different some of them from Old

1110
01:12:53.399 --> 01:12:57.000
Star Trek episodes, but we've seen in Star Trek multiple

1111
01:12:57.039 --> 01:13:02.000
times of computer coming in trying to take over the project.

1112
01:13:03.199 --> 01:13:07.279
M five is another one. But where we talk about

1113
01:13:08.239 --> 01:13:16.239
worrying about a large look at UH discoveries a computer

1114
01:13:16.439 --> 01:13:22.000
starting from season three control no, not control the one

1115
01:13:22.039 --> 01:13:24.520
that was on the ship, one that was on discovery,

1116
01:13:25.800 --> 01:13:29.520
or think about that that was a that was an AI.

1117
01:13:30.159 --> 01:13:33.000
She was good, but look at what where she ended up?

1118
01:13:34.439 --> 01:13:35.560
You never know.

1119
01:13:36.479 --> 01:13:38.880
So I think the other important thing to just note

1120
01:13:38.920 --> 01:13:44.479
at this point is that we call AI AI, but

1121
01:13:44.600 --> 01:13:48.119
in fact the AI that we have now isn't really

1122
01:13:48.399 --> 01:13:54.279
artificial intelligence. All it is is a ones and zero's

1123
01:13:54.680 --> 01:13:59.760
algorithmic thing that just computes things really really fast and

1124
01:13:59.840 --> 01:14:03.479
is able to take existing information and output it in

1125
01:14:03.520 --> 01:14:06.640
a different way. So it's the concept of garbage in

1126
01:14:06.760 --> 01:14:10.000
garbage out right, you just get what you put into it.

1127
01:14:10.439 --> 01:14:15.880
Real artificial intelligence is intelligence that can think for itself.

1128
01:14:16.199 --> 01:14:20.239
Think about data, for example, there's a difference between data

1129
01:14:20.760 --> 01:14:25.039
and being able to amalgamate thousands of websites in a

1130
01:14:25.159 --> 01:14:29.119
second and output a couple of paragraphs based on the

1131
01:14:29.119 --> 01:14:31.800
information that you're looking for. So we're not I will

1132
01:14:31.840 --> 01:14:36.520
admit that we're not quite to real quote unquote AI yet,

1133
01:14:38.079 --> 01:14:41.720
but but I think that's where everybody wants it to go,

1134
01:14:41.960 --> 01:14:45.159
right and we're and we are headed that direction. So

1135
01:14:46.199 --> 01:14:51.399
I just feel like society needs to just consider that

1136
01:14:51.439 --> 01:14:55.039
for a second before it goes too far, because, as

1137
01:14:55.079 --> 01:14:59.079
I said, our technology has a tendency to always outpace

1138
01:14:59.159 --> 01:15:01.279
our ability to adapt to it. And I think that

1139
01:15:01.319 --> 01:15:02.800
we're in that soup right now.

1140
01:15:04.279 --> 01:15:04.319
No.

1141
01:15:04.479 --> 01:15:09.079
Absolutely, Oh we've already got We already got points where

1142
01:15:09.079 --> 01:15:14.880
teachers are already having start carefully looking at students assignments.

1143
01:15:15.479 --> 01:15:17.920
Did a student write it or they use something like

1144
01:15:18.039 --> 01:15:20.000
chat grit their assignment?

1145
01:15:20.079 --> 01:15:20.399
AI?

1146
01:15:21.079 --> 01:15:23.920
Yeah, a huge thing in high school right now. Actually

1147
01:15:24.319 --> 01:15:27.439
a lot of kids are writing essays just using AI,

1148
01:15:27.840 --> 01:15:31.760
and the teachers are being taught ways in which they

1149
01:15:31.840 --> 01:15:37.239
can recognize AI writing versus actual writing by people. So

1150
01:15:37.600 --> 01:15:42.840
you know, we're we're teaching teachers how to combat AI

1151
01:15:43.199 --> 01:15:47.479
cheating already. I mean, that's I don't know, so anyway,

1152
01:15:47.680 --> 01:15:49.760
That's why I just see these sorts of things as

1153
01:15:49.800 --> 01:15:52.079
like a slippery slope. But I can't really get into them.

1154
01:15:53.039 --> 01:15:57.800
Does our chat room have to say.

1155
01:15:57.760 --> 01:15:59.319
Hasn't really been saying a whole lot?

1156
01:16:00.479 --> 01:16:01.000
Oh?

1157
01:16:01.039 --> 01:16:04.600
Cool, there was a question about the actor that did

1158
01:16:04.720 --> 01:16:07.119
James Kirk, and I couldn't remember what the name who

1159
01:16:07.199 --> 01:16:11.439
it was that Ryan asked about.

1160
01:16:12.600 --> 01:16:14.319
Yeah, that was Sam Whitwre.

1161
01:16:16.279 --> 01:16:18.760
And I think the reason I heard, and I think

1162
01:16:18.800 --> 01:16:25.680
I heard something commented that the reason that Shatner didn't

1163
01:16:25.720 --> 01:16:28.880
do it himself was he felt he was too old

1164
01:16:29.680 --> 01:16:34.279
to do the uh to look the part, and it

1165
01:16:34.319 --> 01:16:40.520
was easier to have somebody else standing for him.

1166
01:16:40.560 --> 01:16:41.079
Interesting.

1167
01:16:41.840 --> 01:16:45.439
Well, we definitely got more out of it than I

1168
01:16:45.479 --> 01:16:50.880
thought we would, for sure. I just thought it was interesting.

1169
01:16:50.880 --> 01:16:53.079
We haven't talked about this particular thing yet.

1170
01:16:55.000 --> 01:16:59.039
Yeah, Jim, it's the most salient topic that human beings

1171
01:16:59.039 --> 01:17:02.359
can possibly be discussing right now. I just it's like

1172
01:17:02.439 --> 01:17:05.640
the thing that is going to propel us into the future.

1173
01:17:05.640 --> 01:17:08.159
It's pretty clear. And if we're not sitting and talk

1174
01:17:08.199 --> 01:17:10.399
about it talking about it, and we're just sort of

1175
01:17:10.479 --> 01:17:14.960
sitting back and letting it happen, that also feels irresponsible

1176
01:17:14.960 --> 01:17:16.880
to me. So I think it's good that we're talking

1177
01:17:16.880 --> 01:17:17.680
about it in depth.

1178
01:17:18.439 --> 01:17:21.039
Oh, I'm happy we took the conversation.

1179
01:17:21.880 --> 01:17:26.680
I don't think they needed to do it personally. I

1180
01:17:26.960 --> 01:17:32.319
don't see what we gained from this from these videos.

1181
01:17:33.199 --> 01:17:35.199
I don't know if they were necessary. I don't think

1182
01:17:35.239 --> 01:17:39.439
they were needed. I think they did it just because,

1183
01:17:39.520 --> 01:17:41.640
like Paul said, I think they did it just because

1184
01:17:41.640 --> 01:17:44.640
they could. And I think we got to watch out

1185
01:17:44.720 --> 01:17:49.279
for stuff like that because it's disguised as something good

1186
01:17:49.279 --> 01:17:53.720
but could be easily twisted into something that's not. So

1187
01:17:54.199 --> 01:17:55.600
we have to be vigilant.

1188
01:17:56.119 --> 01:17:58.119
And it's not going away. So I think the most

1189
01:17:58.159 --> 01:18:00.600
important thing that we can do right now now is

1190
01:18:00.760 --> 01:18:05.560
recognize when it's happening and decide for ourselves. Like I don't,

1191
01:18:05.760 --> 01:18:09.199
I don't like any societal changes and regulations and stuff

1192
01:18:09.199 --> 01:18:11.720
are awesome, but I think each individual person just needs

1193
01:18:11.720 --> 01:18:15.840
to look inside themselves and just say, Okay, I'm cool

1194
01:18:16.560 --> 01:18:20.479
with AI generated actors taking jobs away from people, or

1195
01:18:20.560 --> 01:18:23.439
I'm not cool with it, And society is going to

1196
01:18:23.479 --> 01:18:26.560
go in whatever direction it's going to go, but each

1197
01:18:26.640 --> 01:18:29.560
individual person has to make that decision. That the problem

1198
01:18:29.600 --> 01:18:32.560
is that not everybody's educated on the topic, and not

1199
01:18:32.640 --> 01:18:37.880
everybody understands the depth to which this already permeates our society.

1200
01:18:38.359 --> 01:18:40.760
And if it's already this deep and we're in kind

1201
01:18:40.800 --> 01:18:43.880
of like adolescent stage, like we're past infant stage. We're

1202
01:18:43.920 --> 01:18:47.600
into adolescent stage when Ai becomes a teenager and then

1203
01:18:47.640 --> 01:18:51.159
becomes an adult. We just need to understand what that's

1204
01:18:51.199 --> 01:18:53.199
going to mean for all of us.

1205
01:18:54.840 --> 01:18:59.359
Absolutely, So, uh, before we move on, anybody want to

1206
01:18:59.359 --> 01:19:02.199
add anything to this topic before we move on to

1207
01:19:02.279 --> 01:19:04.399
our Star Trek birthdays?

1208
01:19:04.840 --> 01:19:07.439
Everybody pretty I just.

1209
01:19:07.399 --> 01:19:09.680
Say, you know, it's it's always it's hard to predict, right,

1210
01:19:09.720 --> 01:19:12.880
how things will go. I mean, I think right now, again,

1211
01:19:12.960 --> 01:19:16.720
we're like doing the show in the middle of January

1212
01:19:17.560 --> 01:19:20.279
twenty twenty five, right, so I think we are wearing

1213
01:19:20.319 --> 01:19:23.680
some pretty dark freaking glasses right this week. I mean,

1214
01:19:23.880 --> 01:19:26.239
I think a lot of us are, right, But just

1215
01:19:26.359 --> 01:19:29.960
like go back, like, you know, twenty some years ago,

1216
01:19:30.119 --> 01:19:34.640
right when Andy Cirkus first came on the scene, right

1217
01:19:35.199 --> 01:19:39.399
doing a motion capture performances like Gollum, but like whate

1218
01:19:39.399 --> 01:19:39.920
are the rings?

1219
01:19:40.000 --> 01:19:40.199
Right?

1220
01:19:40.239 --> 01:19:42.680
Everyone who's up in arms about that at first? Right,

1221
01:19:42.760 --> 01:19:45.279
very concerned? Right, is this is this going to take away?

1222
01:19:45.640 --> 01:19:50.039
What is this going to do to the.

1223
01:19:49.960 --> 01:19:51.880
Craft of acting? What is this going to do? Right?

1224
01:19:51.960 --> 01:19:58.079
And and it altered Hollywood a little bit. Things evolved slightly.

1225
01:19:58.520 --> 01:20:01.279
You know, It's certainly allowed other kinds of fantasy and

1226
01:20:01.319 --> 01:20:07.880
science fiction characters to be created. But fortunately Andy Serkis

1227
01:20:07.960 --> 01:20:11.960
is a very ethical individual and made sure to kind of,

1228
01:20:12.279 --> 01:20:15.800
you know, put the actor first with everything but.

1229
01:20:17.640 --> 01:20:19.560
Capture right. They put a bunch of stuff on him,

1230
01:20:19.560 --> 01:20:21.560
and he walked around and he did stuff like all

1231
01:20:21.600 --> 01:20:22.439
the Avatar movies.

1232
01:20:22.520 --> 01:20:25.319
I came to do that exactly.

1233
01:20:26.800 --> 01:20:29.520
Yeah, but it's just it's new. It's something new, right,

1234
01:20:29.560 --> 01:20:32.239
And this is way bigger than just one performer, and

1235
01:20:32.279 --> 01:20:34.600
it's way bigger than motion pictures, and it's way bigger

1236
01:20:34.600 --> 01:20:38.319
than Hollywood because we're talking about like autonomy and uh,

1237
01:20:38.840 --> 01:20:41.439
the lack of any you know, Uh, if you're going

1238
01:20:41.479 --> 01:20:43.119
to be in a society, you have to have certain

1239
01:20:44.239 --> 01:20:48.239
set of principles, not just rules and laws, but principles.

1240
01:20:48.279 --> 01:20:52.079
Otherwise you're lost. So it's it's a good discussion. I

1241
01:20:52.079 --> 01:20:53.960
think it's worth having, a right, I don't think it's

1242
01:20:53.960 --> 01:20:55.840
a discussion we thought were going to have when we

1243
01:20:56.000 --> 01:20:56.840
talked about.

1244
01:20:56.560 --> 01:20:59.960
This, Sorry blindside, but I knew I was going to

1245
01:21:00.079 --> 01:21:00.800
have this discussion.

1246
01:21:02.640 --> 01:21:04.119
Well that's good, that's good. I'm glad.

1247
01:21:04.119 --> 01:21:06.239
I think you know, it's sometimes it's fun to just

1248
01:21:06.239 --> 01:21:09.079
not not know what's going to happen and see where

1249
01:21:09.079 --> 01:21:11.239
it goes, right, So as we get a lively conversation.

1250
01:21:11.399 --> 01:21:14.760
To me, that's the value of the show as lively interactions.

1251
01:21:15.359 --> 01:21:17.439
And there's editor talking two point zero.

1252
01:21:17.920 --> 01:21:21.960
There's no editing involved in this show either. So is

1253
01:21:22.000 --> 01:21:25.840
it live or is it memory? X David, I have

1254
01:21:26.720 --> 01:21:30.760
it has it all So you guys can check that out.

1255
01:21:30.920 --> 01:21:33.680
You can find those all on YouTube kicking around. They've

1256
01:21:33.720 --> 01:21:35.439
been out there for a little while. I just wanted

1257
01:21:35.439 --> 01:21:38.159
to talk about it, all right, So you know what

1258
01:21:38.239 --> 01:21:40.439
time it is now, Eric, it is.

1259
01:21:40.439 --> 01:22:01.800
Time for that was not went on song? All right.

1260
01:22:01.840 --> 01:22:03.119
This is the part of the show where we do

1261
01:22:03.199 --> 01:22:05.680
our Star Trek birthdays, and we always start out our

1262
01:22:05.720 --> 01:22:08.760
Star Trek Birthday sadly enough if I remember in those

1263
01:22:08.800 --> 01:22:10.960
members of our Star Trek family who are no longer

1264
01:22:11.000 --> 01:22:14.520
with us, and for that we turned to Eric Jim.

1265
01:22:14.560 --> 01:22:16.479
This week we're going to remember five members of our

1266
01:22:16.520 --> 01:22:19.640
Star Trek community who have gone before us. The first

1267
01:22:19.720 --> 01:22:22.199
is actress Emily Banks, who we lost just back in

1268
01:22:22.239 --> 01:22:24.359
twenty twenty three at the ripe old age of eighty

1269
01:22:24.359 --> 01:22:27.520
five years old. She was the actress who portrayed Tonya

1270
01:22:27.720 --> 01:22:32.479
Barrows in the Star Trek tos first season episode Sure Leave.

1271
01:22:33.319 --> 01:22:35.479
Banks got her started in nineteen sixty when she was

1272
01:22:35.520 --> 01:22:40.359
elected Miss Reine Gold, which was a beer brand from

1273
01:22:40.760 --> 01:22:43.439
eighteen eighty to about nineteen eighty seven. She appeared in

1274
01:22:43.479 --> 01:22:47.159
advertisements and promotions for that brand, and in nineteen sixty

1275
01:22:47.199 --> 01:22:49.680
three she appeared as a model for the game show

1276
01:22:50.239 --> 01:22:53.560
Say One, which had kind of an interesting mechanism. You

1277
01:22:53.560 --> 01:22:55.920
should look that up if you'd like. Two years after

1278
01:22:55.960 --> 01:22:58.199
her run ended, in nineteen sixty four, she got her

1279
01:22:58.239 --> 01:23:01.199
first movie role and first television guest appearance, where she

1280
01:23:01.279 --> 01:23:06.479
worked intermittently in both forms until nineteen eighty six, in

1281
01:23:06.560 --> 01:23:09.640
a couple of things here and there. Not a lot

1282
01:23:09.640 --> 01:23:11.680
of credits to her name, but what she did she

1283
01:23:11.840 --> 01:23:15.800
did well. So happy birthday to Emily Banks. We do

1284
01:23:15.880 --> 01:23:20.439
miss you. Happy birthday as well to Seymour Castle, the

1285
01:23:20.520 --> 01:23:24.119
veteran actor who played Hester Delt in the Next Generation

1286
01:23:24.279 --> 01:23:28.199
second season episode The Child. Castle was nominated for an

1287
01:23:28.239 --> 01:23:32.279
Academy Award for his supporting role in nineteen sixty eight Faces,

1288
01:23:32.359 --> 01:23:37.079
which of course was directed by John Casavedas. Castle has

1289
01:23:37.159 --> 01:23:40.960
over two hundred IMDb credits to his name, including both

1290
01:23:41.039 --> 01:23:45.199
film and television, and also has credits as a cinematographer

1291
01:23:45.239 --> 01:23:49.399
for his work providing footage of Alfred Hitchcock for Alfred Hitchcock,

1292
01:23:50.119 --> 01:23:57.079
excuse me of Alfred Hitchcock for Cinema. He was prized

1293
01:23:57.119 --> 01:24:00.479
as an independent director for two things, his positive nature

1294
01:24:00.960 --> 01:24:05.239
and his facetious declaration that he'd be in any independent

1295
01:24:05.279 --> 01:24:08.560
film for the price of a plane ticket if he

1296
01:24:08.840 --> 01:24:10.680
liked the script. I love that.

1297
01:24:11.359 --> 01:24:12.800
So let me ask you guys.

1298
01:24:13.079 --> 01:24:16.319
Somebody on our Facebook page wanted to know if the

1299
01:24:16.439 --> 01:24:21.399
character of Shacks on Lower Decks was modeled after this guy,

1300
01:24:21.560 --> 01:24:23.720
and I definitely see a likeness.

1301
01:24:23.760 --> 01:24:24.640
What do you guys think?

1302
01:24:25.560 --> 01:24:28.520
Yeah, I can see a little something there for sure. Yeah,

1303
01:24:28.600 --> 01:24:30.680
I mean fighting fascism is a full time job.

1304
01:24:31.600 --> 01:24:32.039
I mean.

1305
01:24:33.640 --> 01:24:36.279
When I looked at it, I said, yeah, if he

1306
01:24:36.399 --> 01:24:38.720
was a real life character, he would be this guy

1307
01:24:38.840 --> 01:24:39.239
for sure.

1308
01:24:39.880 --> 01:24:42.399
Well, you know something that Elle is also really cool

1309
01:24:42.399 --> 01:24:44.359
about Seymour Cassel. I don't know if you guys have

1310
01:24:44.399 --> 01:24:46.880
heard of a little guitar player from a band called

1311
01:24:46.920 --> 01:24:50.720
Guns n' Roses name Slash, But he's actually the guy

1312
01:24:50.800 --> 01:24:54.239
who gave Slash his nickname. So I just think that

1313
01:24:54.399 --> 01:24:58.159
is pretty cool too. I mean, he's got connections all

1314
01:24:58.279 --> 01:25:01.880
over the place. So Seymour Castle was lost back in

1315
01:25:01.920 --> 01:25:05.119
twenty nineteen and eighty four years old. What a guy.

1316
01:25:05.479 --> 01:25:07.840
Go check out his IMDb. There's a lot in there

1317
01:25:07.880 --> 01:25:11.199
and a happy birthday to him. Happy birthday as well

1318
01:25:11.239 --> 01:25:14.760
to Richard Evans, the actor who played Esac in the

1319
01:25:14.840 --> 01:25:19.680
TOS second season episode Patterns of Force. Began his career

1320
01:25:19.720 --> 01:25:22.399
back in nineteen fifty eight and appeared in over eighty

1321
01:25:22.520 --> 01:25:26.960
television productions throughout all sorts of decades, along the way

1322
01:25:27.800 --> 01:25:32.600
twenty six episodes of Peyton Place, Myriad other Things, and

1323
01:25:32.640 --> 01:25:35.279
in fact, later on in his career, in two thousand

1324
01:25:35.319 --> 01:25:38.600
and seven, he wrote, directed, and acted in an independent

1325
01:25:38.640 --> 01:25:42.840
film called Shadow of Rain. In addition to screen acting,

1326
01:25:42.880 --> 01:25:48.800
Evans also worked in local theater, acting, writing, and directing,

1327
01:25:49.159 --> 01:25:52.439
and in twenty eighteen he published an autobiographical book called

1328
01:25:52.920 --> 01:25:59.600
faz Kills That's faz Key Kils of his recollections and

1329
01:25:59.600 --> 01:26:04.359
remnists sences about family history, Hollywood, and his battle with cancer.

1330
01:26:04.760 --> 01:26:07.479
So Richard Evans lost back in twenty twenty one at

1331
01:26:07.520 --> 01:26:11.880
eighty six years old. Happy birthday to him. Happy birthday

1332
01:26:11.880 --> 01:26:15.000
as well to Nancy Anne Parsons, the actress who portrayed

1333
01:26:15.199 --> 01:26:19.600
Marook in the Next Generation third season episode The Vengeance Factor.

1334
01:26:20.079 --> 01:26:22.880
She was probably best known for her memorable role as

1335
01:26:23.039 --> 01:26:27.439
Coach Beulah Bolbrecker in all three installments of The Porky's

1336
01:26:27.560 --> 01:26:31.720
Movie series. She also filled character roles in several other

1337
01:26:31.880 --> 01:26:35.800
movies like Sudden Impact and Steel Magnolias Along the Way.

1338
01:26:37.119 --> 01:26:40.079
Among her minor film roles, she was cast as a

1339
01:26:40.199 --> 01:26:43.439
nurse five times type casting.

1340
01:26:43.680 --> 01:26:43.920
Eh.

1341
01:26:44.119 --> 01:26:47.760
I'm not sure. Lots of television in her background as well,

1342
01:26:49.479 --> 01:26:51.119
but she has been gone for a little while and

1343
01:26:51.199 --> 01:26:53.680
we lost her kind of early. Two thousand and one

1344
01:26:53.800 --> 01:26:56.000
is when we lost her at a young age of

1345
01:26:56.039 --> 01:27:01.039
fifty eight years old. Happy birthday to Nancy An Parsons.

1346
01:27:01.079 --> 01:27:04.920
And last, but certainly not least, we have one of

1347
01:27:04.920 --> 01:27:09.760
the Big Three. Jackson DeForest. Kelly was famous, of course,

1348
01:27:09.800 --> 01:27:14.680
for his role as Bones McCoy on Star Trek, the

1349
01:27:14.720 --> 01:27:17.680
original series. He went on to voice the character in

1350
01:27:17.720 --> 01:27:21.640
the animated series and in all six of the original

1351
01:27:21.760 --> 01:27:24.800
Star Trek movies. In fact, he went on to appear

1352
01:27:24.800 --> 01:27:27.800
as a one hundred and thirty seven year old Admiral

1353
01:27:27.880 --> 01:27:33.560
McCoy in TG's first season episode Encounter at Farpoint. Kelly

1354
01:27:33.640 --> 01:27:36.000
was of course known for his accent and was born

1355
01:27:36.079 --> 01:27:40.800
in Atlanta, Georgia. During the Great Depression, went into show business,

1356
01:27:40.840 --> 01:27:44.239
starting as a singer. Believe it or not. During the

1357
01:27:44.279 --> 01:27:47.399
Second World War, he served with the United States Air

1358
01:27:47.439 --> 01:27:51.359
Force in a non fighting capacity, and he used his

1359
01:27:51.399 --> 01:27:55.159
theater while he was in the military as well. Later

1360
01:27:55.239 --> 01:27:58.000
the same year in nineteen forty seven, after the war

1361
01:27:58.159 --> 01:28:01.560
was over with, Kelly co starred with the legendary entertainer

1362
01:28:01.760 --> 01:28:05.039
Bob Hope, as well as Bing Crosby in the musical

1363
01:28:05.079 --> 01:28:08.600
comedy Variety Girl, and of course, throughout the fifties and

1364
01:28:08.640 --> 01:28:13.119
sixties he starred in numerous Westerns. I've caught a bunch

1365
01:28:13.159 --> 01:28:16.199
of those on Sunday afternoons. It's kind of weird. You

1366
01:28:16.239 --> 01:28:18.680
just turn on a Sunday afternoon black and white Western,

1367
01:28:18.840 --> 01:28:22.359
and all of a sudden, there he is. In nineteen

1368
01:28:22.399 --> 01:28:26.079
sixty six, Roddenberry finally cast him as the new Chief Surgeon,

1369
01:28:26.560 --> 01:28:30.159
Leonard McCoy, taking over, of course for our original doctor.

1370
01:28:32.079 --> 01:28:34.600
And interestingly enough, a few months prior to making his

1371
01:28:34.640 --> 01:28:39.680
appearance in Encounter, at farpoint, Kelly expressed skepticism concerning Star

1372
01:28:39.760 --> 01:28:43.159
Trek the next generation. He said, it's a mystery to

1373
01:28:43.199 --> 01:28:46.159
me why they're doing it. I assume Paramount thinks they

1374
01:28:46.159 --> 01:28:48.800
can hold on to the Star Trek phenomena. There's no

1375
01:28:48.920 --> 01:28:52.479
doubt we can't go on forever, so they're trying a

1376
01:28:52.520 --> 01:28:55.600
way to keep it going. But there's only one Star

1377
01:28:55.640 --> 01:28:59.840
Trek and that's ours. Well, mister Kelly, I'm proud to

1378
01:28:59.840 --> 01:29:03.319
see that on that point, you were wrong. But still

1379
01:29:03.479 --> 01:29:06.520
we very much revere the role that you played and

1380
01:29:07.079 --> 01:29:10.239
very much respect Bones as a character. I still think

1381
01:29:10.279 --> 01:29:16.159
he's most people's favorite doctor. So you know, awesome guy,

1382
01:29:16.880 --> 01:29:21.520
awesome actor. Just can't say enough good about him. So

1383
01:29:22.239 --> 01:29:28.119
happy birthday to Bones Jackson DeForest Kelly, whose birthday was

1384
01:29:28.239 --> 01:29:31.600
just three days ago on January twentieth. And of course

1385
01:29:31.600 --> 01:29:34.760
we lost him all the way back in nineteen ninety nine,

1386
01:29:35.640 --> 01:29:37.760
and that does it for our remembrances this week.

1387
01:29:37.800 --> 01:29:38.079
Guys.

1388
01:29:38.600 --> 01:29:41.840
Now Paul has to jump out early, so I think

1389
01:29:41.840 --> 01:29:42.920
we're going to jump to Paul.

1390
01:29:43.119 --> 01:29:46.039
Let him do his birthdays before he has to leave.

1391
01:29:46.319 --> 01:29:48.279
I was just gonna say to Eric, I kind of

1392
01:29:48.319 --> 01:29:51.159
prefer a doctor who can maintain a relationship with a candle.

1393
01:29:51.399 --> 01:29:52.119
But that's just me.

1394
01:29:54.119 --> 01:29:56.279
I mean, who else can make out with a candle?

1395
01:29:56.399 --> 01:29:59.039
Noise exactly we'll make out it is a little yah.

1396
01:29:59.439 --> 01:30:01.760
Okay, just trying to be nice for the kids.

1397
01:30:01.840 --> 01:30:05.960
Uh, well have you met okay?

1398
01:30:06.720 --> 01:30:08.239
I have actually better?

1399
01:30:08.760 --> 01:30:08.960
Yeah?

1400
01:30:10.359 --> 01:30:10.720
Truth.

1401
01:30:10.920 --> 01:30:11.239
Truth.

1402
01:30:11.359 --> 01:30:14.640
Happy birthday to the great Dave Diggs born on January

1403
01:30:14.680 --> 01:30:18.319
twenty fourth. That's tomorrow, not today, who's an actor, rapper, singer,

1404
01:30:18.399 --> 01:30:22.079
songwriter who voiced Commander Tice s really cool in Star

1405
01:30:22.199 --> 01:30:27.319
Trek Prodigy. Awesome, awesome show that we'd always be glad

1406
01:30:27.319 --> 01:30:31.720
to see more of. Happy birthday to Lanai Chapman, actress

1407
01:30:31.720 --> 01:30:36.520
who portrayed and Sinceriol Rager in four episodes of Next Generation.

1408
01:30:36.640 --> 01:30:40.479
She appeared in the fourth season episode Galaxy Child, returned

1409
01:30:40.600 --> 01:30:44.640
for fourth season episode Night Terrors and six season episodes

1410
01:30:44.680 --> 01:30:46.479
Relics and Schisms.

1411
01:30:46.600 --> 01:30:46.880
Wow.

1412
01:30:46.960 --> 01:30:50.600
A lot of cool episodes there, Lni Chapman, very cool.

1413
01:30:51.880 --> 01:30:55.399
Happy birthday to the great Lou Antonio. You're ninety years

1414
01:30:55.479 --> 01:31:00.319
old today, Lou ninety years which is amazing, Okay, And

1415
01:31:00.479 --> 01:31:05.800
we must honor Lou Antonio because he played Loki the

1416
01:31:05.960 --> 01:31:11.119
Fugitive in the original series third season episode Let That

1417
01:31:11.279 --> 01:31:15.960
Be Your Last Battlefield, which every Star Trek fan should

1418
01:31:16.039 --> 01:31:18.800
always hold up in the face of any young Whipper

1419
01:31:18.840 --> 01:31:23.960
snapper or right wing fascist Star Trek gets so political?

1420
01:31:25.000 --> 01:31:26.239
Hell come do that?

1421
01:31:27.039 --> 01:31:30.960
Well, go back into basically that nineteen sixty nine episode,

1422
01:31:31.079 --> 01:31:34.079
pal and watch, let that be your last battlefield, and

1423
01:31:34.520 --> 01:31:38.520
Star Trek has always been focused on politics and civil rights.

1424
01:31:38.680 --> 01:31:41.520
So there you go. But exhibit A with a great

1425
01:31:41.520 --> 01:31:44.720
lou Antonio, amazing actor and finally for me, happy were

1426
01:31:44.800 --> 01:31:48.840
they to Olivia Deabo, English actress and singer as well,

1427
01:31:48.880 --> 01:31:52.119
who played Amanda Rogers in the Star Trek Next Generation

1428
01:31:52.199 --> 01:31:54.680
sixties episode drew Q. True, I believe we were just

1429
01:31:54.760 --> 01:31:57.039
talking about a little bit earlier tonight. I've got to

1430
01:31:57.039 --> 01:31:59.399
turn on a pumpkin because I have another obligation that

1431
01:31:59.439 --> 01:32:00.640
I have to go to. But this has been a

1432
01:32:00.680 --> 01:32:03.600
lot of fun tonight, gentlemen, and uh to all of

1433
01:32:03.640 --> 01:32:06.039
our wonderful listeners, thank you. It was a pleasure getting

1434
01:32:06.199 --> 01:32:08.760
to discuss the future of civilization with you all.

1435
01:32:09.000 --> 01:32:09.520
So thanks.

1436
01:32:10.880 --> 01:32:14.640
We'll see you next week, all right, take care? All right,

1437
01:32:14.680 --> 01:32:18.640
So now we're going to jump back to Charles, and

1438
01:32:18.760 --> 01:32:19.760
Charles can finish up.

1439
01:32:22.720 --> 01:32:27.319
Thank you. Let's start off with a happy birthday to

1440
01:32:27.399 --> 01:32:32.560
Philip Lamar, American actor who actor, voice, actor, comedian and

1441
01:32:32.600 --> 01:32:37.319
writer who voiced Admiral Alonzo Friedman's Star Trek Lower Decks.

1442
01:32:38.840 --> 01:32:41.119
I didn't realize that's so cool.

1443
01:32:46.119 --> 01:32:51.000
Happy birthday to Marcy brick House, who played Mona love

1444
01:32:51.119 --> 01:32:54.399
Sit in Star Trek Deep Space nine's four season episode

1445
01:32:55.000 --> 01:33:01.119
Our Man Bregier and last time I List, but definitely

1446
01:33:01.119 --> 01:33:05.600
a good one. Happy birthday is said Brent Brina Brenice,

1447
01:33:06.319 --> 01:33:10.840
English actress who plays Soggy and several other characters in

1448
01:33:10.840 --> 01:33:17.680
the first and second seasons of Star Trek Ball Also,

1449
01:33:17.720 --> 01:33:25.079
I believe a very very strong singer as well. So

1450
01:33:25.279 --> 01:33:27.880
that's all that's on my calendar. So let me toss

1451
01:33:27.960 --> 01:33:30.640
this birthday candle over the gym.

1452
01:33:32.079 --> 01:33:37.000
Yeah, I don't have any klingons this week, unfortunately, but

1453
01:33:37.119 --> 01:33:40.479
I do have a sort of you sort of I

1454
01:33:40.640 --> 01:33:43.159
sort of have a klingon. So we want to start

1455
01:33:43.199 --> 01:33:48.239
off by saying Happy birthday t Sash Striga. She's the actress, dancer,

1456
01:33:48.279 --> 01:33:52.720
and singer who appeared as a holographic representation of Zora

1457
01:33:52.960 --> 01:33:58.520
in Star Trek Short Treks Calypso an outstanding episode. If

1458
01:33:58.560 --> 01:34:01.319
you guys have not seen it, head over to Paramount

1459
01:34:01.319 --> 01:34:03.640
Plus and check it out. I think it was one

1460
01:34:03.640 --> 01:34:07.159
of the best that they did Happy birthday to Sasha

1461
01:34:07.159 --> 01:34:11.560
Strega and last on my list. Like I said, I

1462
01:34:11.560 --> 01:34:13.199
don't have a cling up, but I kind of sort

1463
01:34:13.239 --> 01:34:17.560
of do. We want to say happy birthday and campla

1464
01:34:17.760 --> 01:34:22.880
to the awesome, the one and only, the Leslie Hoffman.

1465
01:34:23.359 --> 01:34:26.359
And there she is. She was the stand in on

1466
01:34:26.560 --> 01:34:34.720
Star Trek voyager for Blonataurres and she actually is best known,

1467
01:34:34.760 --> 01:34:37.000
I think for being the hall monitor in the Nightmare

1468
01:34:37.039 --> 01:34:38.640
on Elm Street. And there's her picture in the upper

1469
01:34:38.680 --> 01:34:41.600
right hand corner. She's a good friend of mine. She's

1470
01:34:41.600 --> 01:34:44.399
been on the podcast many times. And if you guys,

1471
01:34:44.439 --> 01:34:47.159
head over to trek talkin dot com and you look

1472
01:34:47.199 --> 01:34:51.920
for stunt Treks. Back during Covid, Leslie and I did

1473
01:34:51.920 --> 01:34:55.039
a one hour show I think it was on Tuesdays

1474
01:34:55.079 --> 01:35:00.039
every Tuesday, and we talked about her career, all the

1475
01:35:00.039 --> 01:35:04.479
people she's worked with. She worked with Ricardo Mathlbond, Planet

1476
01:35:04.520 --> 01:35:07.359
of the Apes, all kinds of great stuff. So check

1477
01:35:07.479 --> 01:35:11.600
that all out. And happy birthday to Leslie Hoffman. She

1478
01:35:11.840 --> 01:35:15.920
is an incredible person, a lot of fun and I

1479
01:35:16.000 --> 01:35:18.640
wish and she just got a new cat, by the way,

1480
01:35:18.960 --> 01:35:21.279
so I hope her new fur baby is doing well

1481
01:35:22.000 --> 01:35:25.560
and that wraps up our Star Trek birthdays for the night,

1482
01:35:26.199 --> 01:35:30.199
and now it's time to move on to Star Trek

1483
01:35:30.279 --> 01:35:31.720
News Priority one.

1484
01:35:31.760 --> 01:35:34.600
Message from Starfleet coming in on Secure channel.

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01:35:35.520 --> 01:35:41.119
Incoming transmission enter authorization code, command codes verified.

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01:35:42.079 --> 01:35:45.279
Define parameters of program level nine.

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01:35:45.399 --> 01:35:48.239
Authorization required, specifying parameters.

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01:35:49.640 --> 01:35:51.680
Transfer updata is complete.

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A blank alert, A blank alert.

1490
01:35:55.880 --> 01:35:58.920
All right, guys, Eric has our first story, So why

1491
01:35:58.960 --> 01:35:59.880
don't you get us started?

1492
01:36:00.119 --> 01:36:05.199
Eric director talks retooling Section thirty one from a series

1493
01:36:05.760 --> 01:36:09.680
and says it can lead to more streaming Star Trek movies.

1494
01:36:10.520 --> 01:36:13.800
Development of the Section thirty one television series starring Michelle

1495
01:36:13.880 --> 01:36:16.600
Yeo was announced as a spinoff of Star Trek Discovery.

1496
01:36:16.840 --> 01:36:19.960
Just as that series was kicking off its second season.

1497
01:36:20.560 --> 01:36:23.239
A writer's room was set up under the Discovery writer

1498
01:36:23.359 --> 01:36:27.760
slash producer team of Boyong Kim and Erica Lippold, who

1499
01:36:27.840 --> 01:36:31.960
were joined by Discovery writer Craig Sweeney. As other projects

1500
01:36:31.960 --> 01:36:35.239
within the Star Trek universe moved forward, including Picard and

1501
01:36:35.439 --> 01:36:39.039
Strange New Worlds, the Section thirty one project struggled to

1502
01:36:39.079 --> 01:36:42.640
get out of space dock, and eventually Bo Young Kim

1503
01:36:42.720 --> 01:36:46.760
and Erica Lippold exited the Trek Universe for Greener Pastures

1504
01:36:46.800 --> 01:36:51.239
at Netflix to become showrunners of Sweet Tooth. In the

1505
01:36:51.279 --> 01:36:56.039
Section thirty one movie, Alec Sahar played by Omari Hardwick,

1506
01:36:56.399 --> 01:36:59.399
is the mastermind of the Section thirty one team who

1507
01:36:59.439 --> 01:37:03.560
seeks out Georgio for a special mission outside of the Federation.

1508
01:37:04.039 --> 01:37:08.640
According to the official synopsis quote, tasked with protecting the

1509
01:37:08.760 --> 01:37:12.600
United Federation of Planets, she also must face the sins

1510
01:37:12.680 --> 01:37:16.680
of her past. Section thirty one also stars Casey Roll

1511
01:37:16.840 --> 01:37:21.920
as Rachel Garrett, Sam Richardson as the Cameloyd scientist Quasi,

1512
01:37:22.640 --> 01:37:28.079
Robert Kaczinski as the mech suited wearing Zeph Sveen Rogrock

1513
01:37:28.479 --> 01:37:34.439
as possibly a vulcan or romulin maniac fuzz, Hubert Lee

1514
01:37:34.479 --> 01:37:40.439
Gonzales as the Delton Malay, and Miku Martinu as young

1515
01:37:40.720 --> 01:37:44.720
Philip Georgio. It may have taken Paramount Plus a while

1516
01:37:44.760 --> 01:37:47.319
to get Section thirty one going, but they are still

1517
01:37:47.319 --> 01:37:50.239
doing better than Paramount Pictures, who hasn't produced a theatrical

1518
01:37:50.239 --> 01:37:54.520
movie release for the franchise since twenty sixteen's Star Trek Beyond.

1519
01:37:55.199 --> 01:37:57.920
There have been suggestions that there could be more streaming

1520
01:37:57.920 --> 01:38:01.239
movies as well, possibly spun on Section thirty one or

1521
01:38:01.399 --> 01:38:06.279
other Trek shows past and present. Ohsun Sami spoke directly

1522
01:38:06.680 --> 01:38:10.840
to this possibility. He said, hopefully the fans love Section

1523
01:38:10.920 --> 01:38:14.079
thirty one and love this format, and we're able to

1524
01:38:14.159 --> 01:38:17.600
continue this format with other stories and be able to

1525
01:38:17.640 --> 01:38:20.920
expand the universe so much faster because it doesn't have

1526
01:38:21.199 --> 01:38:25.399
to all be television series. It can just be one pop,

1527
01:38:25.520 --> 01:38:29.640
one pop, one pop. If the audience, the fans, they

1528
01:38:29.680 --> 01:38:32.079
love it, disguise the limit with what we can do.

1529
01:38:32.800 --> 01:38:34.840
I think I might get into a bit of trouble

1530
01:38:34.840 --> 01:38:37.600
if I expand it on that. But I think as

1531
01:38:37.680 --> 01:38:42.119
long as there's love from the audience, there's incredible fertile

1532
01:38:42.159 --> 01:38:45.039
ground that was laid with Section thirty one to continue

1533
01:38:45.039 --> 01:38:49.039
to grow the franchise and grow the world. The door

1534
01:38:49.800 --> 01:38:55.640
is open. Awesome. Yeah, I mean, I'm all about expansion

1535
01:38:55.680 --> 01:38:59.600
of the Star Trek universe. I think that Star Wars

1536
01:38:59.600 --> 01:39:03.319
has actually done an amazing job of this. I think, uh,

1537
01:39:03.680 --> 01:39:06.920
you know, Lucas selling off his rights to the franchise

1538
01:39:06.960 --> 01:39:10.319
to Disney has really really worked out. We have gotten

1539
01:39:10.319 --> 01:39:14.079
a flood of new content that's all set in the

1540
01:39:14.119 --> 01:39:17.600
same universe, all set against that backdrop of an evil empire,

1541
01:39:18.000 --> 01:39:21.000
and yet each one of these stories seems to contain

1542
01:39:21.199 --> 01:39:25.000
a unique group of characters, a unique group of situations,

1543
01:39:25.560 --> 01:39:29.359
and overall most of them have been pretty decent. So

1544
01:39:29.680 --> 01:39:33.840
I'm really hoping that, you know, this is another way

1545
01:39:34.479 --> 01:39:39.000
in which Star Trek can continue to grow without constantly

1546
01:39:39.039 --> 01:39:43.039
rehashing the old characters. I mean, you know, everybody loves Kirk,

1547
01:39:43.079 --> 01:39:46.960
everybody loves Spock. We've had a lot of them. We've

1548
01:39:46.960 --> 01:39:50.039
had six movies, We've had multiple seasons of those guys.

1549
01:39:50.079 --> 01:39:53.800
We've had, you know, Spock's legacy continue on into the

1550
01:39:53.920 --> 01:39:58.079
Kelvin timeline movies as well. I would love to personally

1551
01:39:58.119 --> 01:40:01.079
see more stories that don't inv all those old characters

1552
01:40:01.079 --> 01:40:04.640
and actually involve new characters that keep things fresh and

1553
01:40:04.760 --> 01:40:06.319
interesting for generations to come.

1554
01:40:07.760 --> 01:40:14.000
I agree, But I was rather surprised when I talked

1555
01:40:14.000 --> 01:40:16.920
to one of my friends this week, and I don't

1556
01:40:16.920 --> 01:40:19.640
consider really a big Trekie. She knows a little bit

1557
01:40:19.680 --> 01:40:23.600
about Star Trek, but she said, oh, were you ready

1558
01:40:23.600 --> 01:40:27.000
for the new Star Trek movie? And I was surprised

1559
01:40:27.000 --> 01:40:30.600
that she was ready to see Section thirty one. She's

1560
01:40:30.680 --> 01:40:33.600
interested because she was curious to see what Michelle Yo does.

1561
01:40:34.439 --> 01:40:36.119
I think it's gonna get us, and I wonder if

1562
01:40:36.119 --> 01:40:39.600
that might get us some new fans. I wonder if

1563
01:40:39.600 --> 01:40:41.960
this attention might give us a few fans, just like

1564
01:40:42.039 --> 01:40:46.239
Star Trek two thousand and nine did. Maybe we may

1565
01:40:46.279 --> 01:40:49.000
be in for some new fans. Paramount's got to get

1566
01:40:49.039 --> 01:40:52.479
some work in getting these movies or getting something going,

1567
01:40:52.920 --> 01:40:56.039
because we may be in for some new fans. Like, Oh,

1568
01:40:56.079 --> 01:40:58.199
this is Michelle Yo, this is Star Trek. Oh, I

1569
01:40:58.279 --> 01:41:00.800
want to learn a word about the Star Trek. I

1570
01:41:00.840 --> 01:41:03.159
need to go back and rewatch this stuff. Maybe I

1571
01:41:03.199 --> 01:41:06.760
need to go catch up on this new new Discovery series,

1572
01:41:06.840 --> 01:41:12.880
that new Bricard series. Oh, Strange New World, the animated. Oh,

1573
01:41:12.960 --> 01:41:17.520
let's go back and start watching these. I'm waiting to

1574
01:41:17.520 --> 01:41:18.439
see what this does.

1575
01:41:19.520 --> 01:41:21.600
And Star Trek two thousand and nine did bring in

1576
01:41:21.600 --> 01:41:25.680
a lot of fans. That's absolutely true. Well it's roderdran

1577
01:41:26.800 --> 01:41:29.880
That's that's true. I'll tell the story about that one

1578
01:41:29.920 --> 01:41:33.159
of these days. So I have another story I want

1579
01:41:33.199 --> 01:41:35.479
to get to about Section thirty one, which premiere is

1580
01:41:35.520 --> 01:41:36.760
tonight at midnight.

1581
01:41:37.159 --> 01:41:39.359
I'm definitely going to go and watch it for sure.

1582
01:41:40.399 --> 01:41:43.760
Yeah, Pacific a Star Trek Section thirty one movie worked

1583
01:41:43.760 --> 01:41:48.800
hard to Uphold franchisees optimism, we spy an espionage theme

1584
01:41:48.920 --> 01:41:51.920
Star Trek movie on the horizon, but will fans of

1585
01:41:51.960 --> 01:41:54.560
the long running sci fi franchise welcome.

1586
01:41:54.239 --> 01:41:55.680
It with open minds?

1587
01:41:56.039 --> 01:42:00.760
Premiering tomorrow tonight on Paramount Plus. Star Trek's Section thirty

1588
01:42:00.760 --> 01:42:04.600
one finds Oscar winner Michelle Yo reprising her role from

1589
01:42:04.600 --> 01:42:08.600
Star Trek Discovery as Philippa Georgeau, the one time Terran

1590
01:42:08.800 --> 01:42:13.640
Empire emperor who allies with the titular secret division of

1591
01:42:13.760 --> 01:42:17.239
Starfleet and in turn must face the sins of her past.

1592
01:42:17.760 --> 01:42:20.800
As to draw a comparison to the movie's titular organization

1593
01:42:21.239 --> 01:42:26.600
and a real life entity, director executive producer Alton Alsami said,

1594
01:42:27.159 --> 01:42:31.239
Section thirty one is stuff to Starfleet what CIA is

1595
01:42:31.239 --> 01:42:34.520
to the Pentagon, or what the CIA is to the

1596
01:42:34.560 --> 01:42:38.319
military complex in the United States, in that they do

1597
01:42:38.399 --> 01:42:41.479
all the stuff that Starfleet can't vote or doesn't want

1598
01:42:41.520 --> 01:42:44.760
to admit to having to do. But our movie isn't

1599
01:42:44.960 --> 01:42:48.720
that dark. The EP was quick to note, our movie

1600
01:42:48.760 --> 01:42:52.239
is fun and full of life and inspiration, and that

1601
01:42:52.399 --> 01:42:55.520
was a delicate balance to have the walk, particularly with

1602
01:42:55.640 --> 01:43:00.439
a lead character like Philippa Georgeau. Alsami knows full well

1603
01:43:01.399 --> 01:43:05.119
that the idea of a hard boiled spy organization within

1604
01:43:05.159 --> 01:43:09.399
the universe that gave us the original series, The Next Generation, etc.

1605
01:43:10.239 --> 01:43:13.600
Always brings up emotions and Star Trek fans who are

1606
01:43:13.680 --> 01:43:17.479
quick to scoff not my Star Trek. What we can

1607
01:43:17.560 --> 01:43:19.840
say is we worked really hard to make sure we

1608
01:43:19.960 --> 01:43:23.239
kept up the ideals of optimism and what we do

1609
01:43:23.319 --> 01:43:26.920
want our society to be in the future, said Alsami.

1610
01:43:27.439 --> 01:43:30.319
In the end, Section thirty one is good, it's fun,

1611
01:43:30.680 --> 01:43:34.880
and it's a joy. Hopefully they're pleasantly surprised. The Section

1612
01:43:34.960 --> 01:43:38.000
thirty one team is comprised of spies wielding a variety

1613
01:43:38.000 --> 01:43:42.520
of skills poor abilities under the watchful eye of Starfleet

1614
01:43:42.600 --> 01:43:49.840
representative Slash Hall monitor Rachel Garrett. And I think that's

1615
01:43:49.880 --> 01:43:51.920
gonna yeah, So what do you guys think?

1616
01:43:54.079 --> 01:43:57.039
You know, I can't wait to see what the host

1617
01:43:57.079 --> 01:43:57.479
to offer.

1618
01:43:58.279 --> 01:44:00.920
Yeah, I'm really looking forward to it. I'm really excited

1619
01:44:01.039 --> 01:44:02.159
to see it.

1620
01:44:02.239 --> 01:44:03.600
Is this what we're talking about next week?

1621
01:44:03.680 --> 01:44:11.000
Jim? Yes, yes, cool, Absolutely definitely.

1622
01:44:11.119 --> 01:44:13.439
I mean, as you can tell, I love offering my opinion,

1623
01:44:13.520 --> 01:44:14.960
so I can't wait to talk about it once I

1624
01:44:14.960 --> 01:44:15.319
see it.

1625
01:44:16.319 --> 01:44:20.000
Yeah, it's going to be on obviously unless we do

1626
01:44:20.039 --> 01:44:22.039
a special show. Yeah, we're going to talk about it,

1627
01:44:22.079 --> 01:44:25.840
and hopefully David will be able to put together an

1628
01:44:25.840 --> 01:44:29.199
awesome slideshow like he's been doing so far, and we'll

1629
01:44:29.239 --> 01:44:31.560
have some fun talking about it. But I, for one,

1630
01:44:31.560 --> 01:44:33.520
I'm looking very much looking forward to what I look

1631
01:44:33.520 --> 01:44:35.960
forward to every Star Trek movie that comes out. I

1632
01:44:36.000 --> 01:44:38.800
go to see them all and this is no different.

1633
01:44:39.199 --> 01:44:43.239
And I hope, I hope that this movie streams enough minutes,

1634
01:44:44.039 --> 01:44:45.960
because that's what they base it on, the minutes that

1635
01:44:46.079 --> 01:44:56.039
it's streamed to work their Yes, they're wallets into making

1636
01:44:56.079 --> 01:44:59.159
more of these, because I think this is a format.

1637
01:44:59.640 --> 01:45:03.159
Every streaming service has their own, you know, made for

1638
01:45:03.279 --> 01:45:07.760
their service movies. Netflix did that was that Will Smith

1639
01:45:07.800 --> 01:45:11.079
one with the with the psyclopses and stuff. What was

1640
01:45:11.079 --> 01:45:13.199
the name that where he was a cop in the future.

1641
01:45:14.359 --> 01:45:17.920
I thought I forgot the name of it. But you know,

1642
01:45:18.000 --> 01:45:21.079
all the streaming services have their own little movies that

1643
01:45:21.119 --> 01:45:25.039
are only shown on their series, and Paramount Plus is

1644
01:45:25.079 --> 01:45:27.399
Star Trek, so it's only fitting that they have Star

1645
01:45:27.479 --> 01:45:31.880
Trek made for streaming movies. And hopefully this one works

1646
01:45:31.880 --> 01:45:37.079
out and maybe we see Captain War or whatever in

1647
01:45:37.119 --> 01:45:39.399
the future. So I'm going to give this one a

1648
01:45:39.479 --> 01:45:42.279
chance and hopefully it works out well and it ushers

1649
01:45:42.319 --> 01:45:44.439
in a new age of Star Trek movies that we

1650
01:45:44.479 --> 01:45:47.439
could watch right at home, and a variety of different

1651
01:45:47.960 --> 01:45:51.199
different things, because if they don't have to, they don't

1652
01:45:51.199 --> 01:45:54.000
have to compete with they don't have to compete with

1653
01:45:54.079 --> 01:45:58.039
Marvel and all these big movies. And they're strictly streaming,

1654
01:45:58.359 --> 01:46:01.359
which is basically for people like you and right that

1655
01:46:01.479 --> 01:46:03.319
are Star Trek fans. And then I think they have

1656
01:46:03.359 --> 01:46:06.640
a good chance of making some really interesting, really well

1657
01:46:06.640 --> 01:46:07.239
made movies.

1658
01:46:07.600 --> 01:46:11.479
Yeah, and I hope they take fans reactions to the

1659
01:46:11.720 --> 01:46:17.840
trailers like I. After reading more about the movie since

1660
01:46:17.880 --> 01:46:21.039
the trailers came out, I became more interested in it

1661
01:46:21.079 --> 01:46:25.600
myself because the trailers read very Star Wars to me.

1662
01:46:26.239 --> 01:46:28.920
You know, you didn't kind of get the sense of

1663
01:46:30.000 --> 01:46:32.680
the Star trekness that was going to happen in section

1664
01:46:32.760 --> 01:46:35.119
thirty one. And after I started reading more articles and

1665
01:46:35.159 --> 01:46:39.000
it talked about her role and how she's it's kind

1666
01:46:39.000 --> 01:46:41.760
of like this Western style format and that sort of stuff,

1667
01:46:41.800 --> 01:46:44.760
I became more interested. But not every fan out there

1668
01:46:44.840 --> 01:46:46.600
is going to read more about it, right, They're just

1669
01:46:46.600 --> 01:46:48.319
going to watch the trailer and they're going to either

1670
01:46:48.359 --> 01:46:51.960
go thumbs up or thumbs down. So hopefully they take

1671
01:46:51.960 --> 01:46:54.960
that into consideration with the next movie and they actually

1672
01:46:54.960 --> 01:46:58.399
give us a trailer that brings the trickiness to it,

1673
01:46:58.439 --> 01:47:01.399
which I think will keep Star Trek fans more engaged

1674
01:47:01.479 --> 01:47:03.680
as well as bring in new fans.

1675
01:47:05.079 --> 01:47:08.840
Yeah, I think you know, the fans are already hating

1676
01:47:08.880 --> 01:47:10.920
on it, and that's unfortunate.

1677
01:47:11.840 --> 01:47:13.159
And it hasn't even come out yet.

1678
01:47:13.399 --> 01:47:15.600
Well, it's because the trailer was not that great.

1679
01:47:15.760 --> 01:47:20.000
I mean yeah, but action, well, I mean, they're paying

1680
01:47:20.039 --> 01:47:23.079
Michelle Yo, I don't know how many countless millions of

1681
01:47:23.119 --> 01:47:26.479
dollars to kick ass, and that's what they're going to

1682
01:47:26.920 --> 01:47:27.960
show in the trailer.

1683
01:47:28.239 --> 01:47:30.600
But but why wouldn't I just watch Star Wars?

1684
01:47:30.600 --> 01:47:32.640
Then, well you can, You're you're free to go and

1685
01:47:32.680 --> 01:47:36.319
watch Star Wars. But Star Wars stinks, so Star Trek does.

1686
01:47:38.079 --> 01:47:42.720
But yeah, I mean, yeah, I don't know, I don't know.

1687
01:47:43.520 --> 01:47:46.600
I'm glad that. I'm glad they didn't give us a

1688
01:47:46.600 --> 01:47:48.600
lot in the trailer because I don't know anything about

1689
01:47:48.600 --> 01:47:52.279
the story. They didn't ruin anything for him other than

1690
01:47:52.319 --> 01:47:56.079
watching Michelle Yo kick some ass which we expected. I

1691
01:47:56.159 --> 01:47:58.800
don't know anything about the story, and that's how I

1692
01:47:58.840 --> 01:48:00.199
want to go into it. I don't want to go

1693
01:48:00.239 --> 01:48:02.359
into it saying, oh, yeah, I saw this clip in

1694
01:48:02.399 --> 01:48:05.479
the trailer. I already know it. So I'm kind of

1695
01:48:05.479 --> 01:48:07.520
glad that they did that. But Star Trek mind Star

1696
01:48:07.560 --> 01:48:10.800
Trek fans can be very narrow minded and very closed

1697
01:48:10.800 --> 01:48:14.119
minded for open minded, forward thinking people, they can be

1698
01:48:14.239 --> 01:48:18.560
just the opposite sometimes, So let's hope that this one

1699
01:48:18.840 --> 01:48:25.399
isn't so. But I will say Star Trek Beyond, I

1700
01:48:25.520 --> 01:48:28.560
wasn't thrilled with the trailer for Star Trek Beyond, Captain

1701
01:48:28.600 --> 01:48:32.399
Kirk riding around on a motorcycle and Beastie Boys music playing,

1702
01:48:34.079 --> 01:48:36.479
and the movie turned out not to be that great,

1703
01:48:36.479 --> 01:48:40.479
but not for that reason, for different reasons. Altogether. I

1704
01:48:40.479 --> 01:48:44.600
had great characters, you know, they really nailed the characters.

1705
01:48:44.640 --> 01:48:48.399
They act, they cast them great. But the movie wasn't

1706
01:48:48.399 --> 01:48:50.439
that great, and it wasn't because of the trailer.

1707
01:48:51.279 --> 01:48:53.000
So yeah, let's see what happens.

1708
01:48:54.159 --> 01:48:58.439
So yeah, So, anybody have anything they want to add.

1709
01:48:58.479 --> 01:49:00.359
I don't think we have enough time for another story.

1710
01:49:00.399 --> 01:49:03.560
I had a story for Paul, but Paul had to

1711
01:49:03.640 --> 01:49:08.279
run unless unless somebody wants to jump in. You want

1712
01:49:08.319 --> 01:49:10.319
to do Paul's story, Eric, You think we have time?

1713
01:49:11.239 --> 01:49:13.159
Yeah, I mean we've got a little bit of time left,

1714
01:49:13.199 --> 01:49:15.239
so yeah, me to do it. I think we'll do it.

1715
01:49:15.479 --> 01:49:17.880
You want to fill in for Paul, I'll.

1716
01:49:17.680 --> 01:49:19.920
Fill in for Paul. I'm not sure I'm quite as

1717
01:49:19.920 --> 01:49:21.880
good looking as he is, but I'll do my best.

1718
01:49:22.039 --> 01:49:25.760
Throw some decimals in there well.

1719
01:49:26.479 --> 01:49:32.000
Don Lewis, of course, is nominated for an NAACP Image

1720
01:49:32.039 --> 01:49:34.840
Award for Star Trek Lower Decks and if you don't

1721
01:49:34.880 --> 01:49:37.279
remember who she is, she of course plays Captain Freeman.

1722
01:49:38.000 --> 01:49:43.560
Freeman's image is recognized. The NAACP has announced nominees for

1723
01:49:43.600 --> 01:49:49.520
their fifty sixth annual NAACP Image Awards, honoring outstanding achievements

1724
01:49:49.520 --> 01:49:54.079
and performances of people of color in Arts, Entertainment, and culture.

1725
01:49:54.600 --> 01:49:57.960
Don Lewis, who of course plays Captain Carol Freeman, was

1726
01:49:58.000 --> 01:50:03.359
nominated for Outstanding televis Character Voice Over Performance. She is

1727
01:50:03.439 --> 01:50:07.439
going up against Angela Bassett from Orian and the Dark.

1728
01:50:08.000 --> 01:50:12.039
Pree Summer, nominated twice for the Legend of Vox Machina

1729
01:50:12.319 --> 01:50:17.199
and Rugrats and Kiki Palmer the second Best Hospital in

1730
01:50:17.279 --> 01:50:20.680
the Galaxy. I'm unfamiliar with that, but it sounds very interesting.

1731
01:50:21.600 --> 01:50:24.560
This is the first Image Award nomination for the Star

1732
01:50:24.640 --> 01:50:28.000
Trek for Star Trek since twenty twenty one, when Lewis

1733
01:50:28.079 --> 01:50:32.359
was nominated for the same award. In two thousand, Lewis

1734
01:50:32.399 --> 01:50:34.920
won an Image Award for her work in the stage

1735
01:50:34.960 --> 01:50:38.760
play The Marriage. She has also won a Grammy and

1736
01:50:39.000 --> 01:50:43.199
other awards for her musical career. The fifth and final

1737
01:50:43.239 --> 01:50:46.239
season of Lower Decks has also been nominated for a

1738
01:50:46.279 --> 01:50:50.760
Saturn Award. Winners will be revealed Friday, February twenty first

1739
01:50:51.119 --> 01:50:55.159
of this year at the fifty sixth annual NAACP Image

1740
01:50:55.199 --> 01:51:02.439
Awards Creative Honors Ceremony on NAACP Awards dot Net and

1741
01:51:02.600 --> 01:51:05.600
during the awards ceremony on Saturday, Forebory twenty second at

1742
01:51:05.600 --> 01:51:11.079
the Pasadena Civic Auditorium, airing live on BET and CBS.

1743
01:51:11.680 --> 01:51:14.000
I think this is fantastic because I of course think

1744
01:51:14.079 --> 01:51:17.880
Don Lewis is amazing. Captain Freeman is one of my

1745
01:51:17.920 --> 01:51:23.000
favorite characters. She, like most of our other not most

1746
01:51:23.359 --> 01:51:26.720
like every single one of our other captains in Star Trek,

1747
01:51:27.279 --> 01:51:31.600
is kind of responsible for keeping this ragtag bunch of

1748
01:51:31.720 --> 01:51:34.479
folks together and making sure to steer them in the

1749
01:51:34.560 --> 01:51:37.960
right direction. And I actually like the fact that here

1750
01:51:38.039 --> 01:51:41.039
we get a captain who has a family, right, not

1751
01:51:41.119 --> 01:51:44.239
only a family, but a family that's actually on the ship.

1752
01:51:44.720 --> 01:51:47.720
We haven't had a lot of those captains. Kirk was solo.

1753
01:51:48.479 --> 01:51:51.760
Cisco had Jake, but I think the relationship there was

1754
01:51:51.800 --> 01:51:55.199
different because that was like single dad and kid, right,

1755
01:51:56.000 --> 01:52:01.399
Jane's family Joe was left behind. We have Michael Burnham

1756
01:52:01.439 --> 01:52:04.199
who interacted with her mother here and there, but she

1757
01:52:04.359 --> 01:52:07.079
wasn't on the ship. So it's kind of a new

1758
01:52:07.119 --> 01:52:11.199
way of looking at captains on on a ship in

1759
01:52:11.239 --> 01:52:13.399
Star Trek. Are you gonna say, David.

1760
01:52:13.640 --> 01:52:15.680
Sorry, I was going to say that the difference between

1761
01:52:15.720 --> 01:52:21.680
Cisco having a family and Freeman was that Freeman's family

1762
01:52:22.159 --> 01:52:25.039
was working. All of them were working in Starfleet, where

1763
01:52:25.199 --> 01:52:27.880
Cisco Sun was just like, you know, a little kid

1764
01:52:27.880 --> 01:52:29.520
when we first saw him, and we kind of grew

1765
01:52:29.600 --> 01:52:32.560
up with him, and so he wasn't in Starfleet at all.

1766
01:52:32.600 --> 01:52:35.279
But yeah, so the difference between that dynamic who's a

1767
01:52:35.279 --> 01:52:35.920
little different.

1768
01:52:38.560 --> 01:52:39.159
Absolutely.

1769
01:52:41.239 --> 01:52:46.279
I think so Michael Burnham had Spock in season two

1770
01:52:47.600 --> 01:52:50.159
kind of a family a little bit.

1771
01:52:51.359 --> 01:52:57.159
It's a different dynamic, Yeah, sort of. Spock had Cybock

1772
01:52:57.279 --> 01:52:59.920
in Star Trek five, the best movie ever Dynamic.

1773
01:53:03.079 --> 01:53:06.039
All right, So guys, don't forget that. We're going to

1774
01:53:06.079 --> 01:53:11.000
be talking to the awesome Nicholas Meyer on January sixth,

1775
01:53:11.039 --> 01:53:14.199
So have your questions ready Star Trek two, four, and six,

1776
01:53:14.239 --> 01:53:17.720
as well as science advisor on season one of Star

1777
01:53:17.760 --> 01:53:22.359
Trek Discovery and writer of con Seti Alpha five. So

1778
01:53:22.399 --> 01:53:24.960
there's a lot of questions we can ask him, a

1779
01:53:24.960 --> 01:53:27.800
lot of fun stuff to discuss. So have your questions

1780
01:53:27.840 --> 01:53:31.359
ready and head over to Trek Talking dot com, click

1781
01:53:31.439 --> 01:53:34.359
on the blue mic and record your message. We'll play

1782
01:53:34.720 --> 01:53:38.640
all of your questions for him on our February sixth show.

1783
01:53:39.359 --> 01:53:41.199
I just want to take an opportunity to say thank

1784
01:53:41.239 --> 01:53:44.640
you to Paul for hanging out and Trek Talking with

1785
01:53:44.760 --> 01:53:47.520
us tonight. Thank you so much, Paul for hanging with us.

1786
01:53:47.720 --> 01:53:49.640
Thank you to Eric for hanging out and Trek Talking

1787
01:53:49.680 --> 01:53:49.920
with us.

1788
01:53:49.920 --> 01:53:52.359
Thank you so much, Eric, you bet guys, great time

1789
01:53:52.399 --> 01:53:53.720
as always.

1790
01:53:53.279 --> 01:53:55.119
And thank you so much to Charles for hanging out

1791
01:53:55.159 --> 01:53:55.760
in Trek Talking.

1792
01:53:55.800 --> 01:53:58.279
Thank you, Charles, Oh, thank you, it was a great

1793
01:53:58.319 --> 01:53:59.359
conversation tonight.

1794
01:54:00.520 --> 01:54:03.319
And thank you to David and uh, David, I know

1795
01:54:03.359 --> 01:54:06.159
that we worked all of this out in advance, and

1796
01:54:06.239 --> 01:54:09.800
we spend all that time on Wednesday night numbering everything,

1797
01:54:10.000 --> 01:54:17.479
organizing everything. But you're a miracle worker. We're able to

1798
01:54:17.560 --> 01:54:19.800
think on your feet and get it done. Even though

1799
01:54:19.840 --> 01:54:21.960
we change things up on you a little bit. Everything

1800
01:54:21.960 --> 01:54:24.800
worked out in the and so thank you so much, David.

1801
01:54:25.760 --> 01:54:27.880
It was fun. I'm all hot now.

1802
01:54:29.479 --> 01:54:31.920
You're you're wearing gloves, I mean.

1803
01:54:34.079 --> 01:54:36.960
So so that helps.

1804
01:54:37.439 --> 01:54:41.359
Yeah, just have some Moldie cheese that will help you.

1805
01:54:42.680 --> 01:54:46.199
And I'm your most excellent host, Uncle Jim saying to everybody,

1806
01:54:46.239 --> 01:54:49.159
please stay safe and be good to each other. Remember

1807
01:54:49.600 --> 01:54:53.960
Star Trek fans are the best fans. Thank you for

1808
01:54:54.079 --> 01:54:58.159
being a fan. Hailing frequencies are closed. Good night, everybody

1809
01:54:59.199 --> 01:55:05.399
long and prosper right at y'all all stations ready for departure, sir,

1810
01:55:09.000 --> 01:55:09.880
Some problem righter.

1811
01:55:10.399 --> 01:55:13.159
I'm just hoping this isn't the usual way ourmissions will go, sir.

1812
01:55:13.760 --> 01:55:14.680
Oh, no, number one.

1813
01:55:15.800 --> 01:55:22.279
I'm sure most will be much more interesting. Let's see

1814
01:55:22.279 --> 01:55:28.760
what's out there. Engage