Episode 617- Lower Decks "The New Next Generation" review

0:06 Jean Ways Fox Bear look is acting very weird. Captain Pike's this goes wife king On send me after like Boimer Tendi Starbaransom is very hard. Sport Drive black Alert, Torgio has gone perserved, Teacher bad laugh Edward is any fakisaid wharfs were Checkout's wearing red Teeter's. Cat cam back sat you has had enough for that? Feeny up. Make it so, everybody else. Come about the series, going aside up your phone now about the series. I'm coming to the services. Now we talk about the series. Cows love this shone.

0:58 Now Well, good evening, Trekkies and Trekkers around the globe. It it's Thursday, January ninth, twenty twenty five, and that means we are live, and that means trek Talking is beaming out right now, Episode six hundred and seventeen. How'm me you most excellent hosts, Uncle Jim coming from frozen Tundra of Vermont, and I do mean frozen tundra. It is cold up here right now, and wow, cold would be an improvement. Let me just leave it at that. We're gonna be talking about the final episode, the end of Star Trek Lower Decks tonight, the next the new next generation, so you definitely want to stick around for that.

1:48 But before we get too far, I'd like to introduce to you my awesome, my incredible, my out of the world Truk Spurts, and we're going to start out in a part of the country that's hopefully not too cold right now. We're going to swing all the way out to Las Vegas and say hello to Charles Jim. It's a little chili here, but it's not down cold. So it did feel did feel a little cold this morning with the wind in the forties in my morning walk. Oh I would I would die for the forties. That's that's swimming weather right there. And uh, we're gonna shoot out to Portland, where I have my trifecta, my hat trick, my triple play. And we'll start off with mister Scotti himself. David.

2:34 How you doing tonight, David? Pretty good? I got a plate full of oranges? Oh man, good. They're not mold the old oranges, are they? Some of them are to be you stay away from those. And we also want to walk back. Welcome back from Portland as well our very own toy guy, Paul. Welcome back. Paul. Hey, Jim did to be back. Yeah, we missed you. We missed your buddy, but we're glad you're back. And last, but not least, also from Portland, because I hear it something in the water is our very own Eric. How you doing tonight, Eric? I'm doing all right, Jim. You know, fresh off my trip to Smick Nick five and just landed a few minutes ago. I had to clean some of that goo off of me, but I'm ready to do the podcast now.

3:18 It's gonna be a fun one as always. You guys can find all of our episodes at trek Talking dot com. And while you're there, there's a little blue talkback mic in the bottom right hand corner of your screen. Click on that and leave us a message. You can tell us how great we are, how wonderful my hair looks, whatever, how great Paul's hair looks, whatever you want. You can leave us a message there. But more importantly, you can leave a question for mister Tim Ross Tubac himself. He's going to be with us next week and if you have a question for him, just record it on our Trek Talking page and we will play your question live on the air and get it answered for you, so please do that. At trek Talking dot com. You can also help some the podcast if I go into our new Patreon page, which Charles himself is setting up for us, and you can become a member for only two dollars a month. Come on, what more can you ask for? Awesome?

4:13 All right, and without any further ado, I'm going to turn things over to Eric, and Eric is going to do our fan shout outs. But before I do that, I want to let you guys know finish shout outs, our polls, all that stuff comes from our Facebook page. Well, actually, let me correct that Patreon, Twitter wherever I can get them out there, because unfortunately the Facebook AI is still being a royal pain in the ass. So I've started up a new Facebook page and as soon as we reach five hundred followers, I will get that link out to you guys, so it's so much easier for you to find us. But if you go to trek Talking dot com and you click on the Facebook link at the top, it'll bring you to our new page, all right, and while you're there you can tell us where you're from.

4:59 So now I will turn things over to Eric. Take it away, Eric, Dad Jim. Our first fan shout out this week goes out to top fan Ilonka Liska, who's saying hello to us from Yulik, Germany. Sounds like a wonderful place. Thanks Alanka for supporting our podcast right there in the heart of Europe. We're also saying hello this week to Sylvia Pavlakovich, who's saying hello to us from Croatian giving us a thumbs up, and we say thumbs up right back to you. Thanks very much. Top fan Raj Segal is also listening to us today, saying greetings from New Delhi, India, which I understand is like the second largest city on the planet or something like that. That's amazing, REGGI, thank you so much for listening to us in that amazing place. And last on my list, I'm saying hello and thank you so much this week to Alan Norris, who is from Barry Not the Island in South Wales. Charles, I'm going.

5:56 To start up with a very special shout out. I'm gonna shout out to all those from southern California and those dealing with the fires. I've got a lot of quite a few friends on Facebook and I know there's a lot going on down there, so good wishes to you guys and stay safe. As for fans, let's welcome Donna Cole from Indiana. Welcome Donna. Welcome Bobby Trehillo from hell Paso, Texas. I hope that's near El Paso, Texas. Hey, Welcome to Misty Mercer from Illinois. Welcome, Misty, spend a lot of time in your state back a year decades ago.

6:45 And welcome to Hondo Murray from Omaha, Nebraska. A Hondo, I bet I heard some jokes. On that one. David, who's on your list? Yeah? I would like to say welcome and thank you for listening to top fan Alex Nuyan from Minnesota, USA. And next on the list is Raojika Adraschi from Truth or consequencey, New Mexico, USA. Next on the list is James A. McNair from Florida, USA. And last time my list, there's a welcome and thank you all for listening, is Christopher Back from Indiana, USA. Paul, who's on your list?

7:39 Thanks? David. Always nice to remind ourselves that's Star Trek and science fiction is a global phenomena that unites people across every single continent and Let's have some evidence of that here, beginning with top fan, our good friend Bartek Grovsky of Census, Greetings all the way from Poland. Wonderful to hear from me, Bartek. Hope things are well over there. I know the winters in Europe can be relatively severe. Not that far away from Poland, we move over to Croatia, where our good buddy Zelko Mihalievich is saying hello to us as well. I hope you are doing well, Zelko and enjoying whatever Star Trek you are savoring these days. We've got the wonderful land of Denmark, an incredible place to hang your hat, and we have top fans that live in Denmark as well, including Sore and Rasmussen. Soora and wonderful to hear from you, and thanks for being a fan and letting us know that Star Trek enthusiasm is something to help keep you warm during those cold Danish nights. And finally, on my list, we've got greetings from Budapest, Hungary, blowing us a kiss.

8:50 There. It's Andrea Wagner Kovaks. So Andrea, it is wonderful to hear from you, and it's a great reminder that cross the entire globe. There's something that unites us all that we can all take comver it. So great stuff and thank you all for listening and being fans. Onward to Uncle Jim. Yes, I've got a couple of top fans on my list as well, Paul. We want to say thank you to top fan Anthony Flower, who says hi from the UK. We also want to say hello and thank you to Benry Benny Hogelsen from Sweeden and Jared Bryn from Tippery, Ireland. And last but not least, top fan Evett Richer from South Africa who sends us a dolphin. And thank you so much to each and every one of you guys.

9:34 We could never do the show without you. And remember Star Trek fans are the best fans. Thank you very much for being a fan. For those of you who are watching this on our YouTube channel or you subscribe to our Patreon and you're getting the video feed and not just the audio feed, if you might notice all these awesome pictures that are strolling by you right now, there's my wife at our truck talking table, right now, there's me with my batlift, and a minute ago Eric was there and these are all fan photos that were putting up during our fan shout outs. So if you'd like to see yourself not only featured, but you'd like to see your picture right there on the screen as a fan, please visit our Trick Talking page and send us your pictures so not only will we read your name, but we'll see your picture right there on the fan shout outs. And without any further ado, it's time for us to move on to our pole section.

10:36 You know me like no Wind, but you thought about the show, then we try. Just share your. Opinions with all of our minions out there, because hey, listen, worldwid so tell us just what you think. Get together we will all dream Canara and robylin Ale. And I gotta say, Eric, I just you just did a phenomenal job on that song. Every time I hear it, I love it even more. It was super fun to make. Let me tell you so. As I said, right now, you can find our polls on our Facebook page, but I'm putting them on Tumbler and I'm trying to get them also on Blue Sky, So that's where you can find our polls for now.

11:28 And Eric, you want to dive in and get us started. Yeah, Our first poll this week is about a fantastic episode of Next Generation. In the TNG episode I Borg, Picard had the opportunity to destroy the Borg and save countless lives, but decided not to commit genocide. Do you agree with his decision? And seventy five percent of our listeners absolutely agree with Pikar's decision, But twenty five percent of our listeners did not agree with Picard's decision. And I think that's pretty interesting. You know, my take on this is, I'm with Picard, man, it's never okay to commit genocide.

12:12 But you know, I don't know. What do you guys think? Well, were we able to capture people's political affiliations who answered this question? Possibly your pro genocide? Maybe, I don't know, Gosh might reveal a certain cultural predilection. I'm not sure. Yeah, I just sit here. Potentially true, I don't know. What do you guys think? What do the rest of you think about this? Do you agree with Picard? Well, if you remember of the episode, Picard was already to pull the trigger and wipe them all out, and until Guyning came and said, Yo, dude, come down and meet this guy. He's pretty cool. We'll go out and party with him, and then Picard changed his mind. So I think that once Picard saw that he was an individual and not just a mindless drone, that help them change his mind. Yeah, But up to that point, if you remember, he was ready to pull the trigger.

13:05 I mean, we've seen a lot of storytelling that goes down similar themes across Star Trek, right, I mean the way you know, initially with O'Brien and the Kardassians. Right, we've seen that same plimb of the thing. I think a lot of times they the idea is to show that you may not start out having it, but you can develop empathy for your fellow beings. Yeah, and tuly and as a result of you know, listening and communing with your friends. Right, I think that no person is an island, and it's always good to get multiple opinions and make sure that you're checking your own conscience against what others say, and then of course making your own decisions. But it's always good to check in with others that you trust.

13:47 And think about it. Had he infected the board, we wouldn't have had all those great voyager stories. We wouldn't have seven of nine and all this stuff. Never would have happened. So I think he made the right choice. As far as the scripts and story. That must be why he did it. He's like, you know, in the future there will be no star Trek Fog won't even be. For contact, that's right. So yeah, I think he made the right choice absolutely, And like Paul said, this is just another example of once you get to know your enemy, you know they're not really your enemy anymore. You know, it's easy to look at somebody and vilify them if you don't have to look them in the face, and if you don't have to get to know them, If you just look at them as a faceless, mindless enemy, it's easy to be cruel and heartless and destructive. But once you get to know them, it changes the equation quite a bit. And I think that's what happened to the Card in this particular episode. When he met Hugh and saw his relationship with Jordie and started to realize that he was an individual as much as a murdering boar drone, he kind of changed his mind. But of course you would have think he would know that from when he was the cutest. You would have thought he would have remembered that anyways.

15:04 But anyway, with that episode to get the cutest, they didn't have independence, whereas the whereas Hugh was separated from the the borg Hive and was gaining independence. Yeah, except this episode did happen after the cutest because. Yeah, this is this is. Seasons after the best of both worlds. Yeah, much much later. So seventy five percent of our fans agreed that Picard made the right choice. What are the trucks furts things? I think he made the right choice. Yeah for sure, absolutely absolutely. I'm not a fascist, so I would say he made the he made the right choice.

15:50 Uh, you know, many outweighed the few. Show yea complete least all agree genocide. Okay, maybe we can sort of you know, I know it's a really complex, you know idea to you know, swallow in the twenty first century, but I'm willing to commit to it. Now. This next whole question, I just wanted to throw something fun out there because I've been asking all these deep ethical moral questions, so I thought, let's just have some fun, Jim. So that's where this one came from. This was just Uncle Jim having some fun. So what fun question did Uncle Jim throw at us this week. Eric.

16:31 In the Enterprise episode Carbon Creek, when Paul tells the story about her grandmother visiting Earth in the nineteen fifties and inventing Velcrow, was she telling the truth or just telling a story? And seventy seven percent of our listeners said yes, of course it was true, but twenty three percent said that it wasn't true. And of course we all know it's impossible for a vulcan to lie, so it must. Have been true. Right. Well, at the end when she says to them it was just a story, so she wasn't at the end, well, no, if she's telling the story, she's you know, she never said that it was the truth. She just told them a story. It was kind of you know.

17:19 So what at the end of that episode, though, didn't she take out Volcrow from like a object? Yes, she did. She had it and she took it out and showed it to everybody. Like I said, it's just a fun question. This is you know, I just wanted to throw something out there and have some fun with Star Trek. That's why I threw it out there, because I think that's a great episode actually, and you know, the way the camera moves in on her at the end. It was like, if she could wink, she would have winked. You know, she's drinking her earl Gray feed and I you know, and Tripp says, oh, I don't believe that, and the cameras rooms in on her and cuts away, and I swear to God, if Vulcans could wink, she would have winked.

18:05 You know. It was just a great moment and it kind of left that ambiguous. But personally I would like to believe that it is true myself. Yeah, I agree, you know, it makes for a fun story. You know. Actually, what about you, Charles? You agree with the fans? Do you think it was true or was it was just a yard? I think it did happen. How about you, David? I think it happened. It actually added another layer to our reality to the show.

18:49 Well that leaves you, Paul, Oh, yeah, totally. I agree. Paul was telling the truth. Yea, her grandmother watched. I love Lucy who did. That's just the way that's true. I have spoken, Oh wait, across the genre here, So that that's that's our pole questions for this week. Guys. I'll have some more. I have a bunch posted up there. Now you guys can find them on Instagram, tumbler. If you can find our new Trek talking page on Facebook, you can find them there as well. And yeah, so now we're going to go on to our cadet.

19:34 We on the bog blow your shields and lego ships. We will add to biological technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to services resistance. And this is a fun part of the podcast because this is where Charles gets to go back and go through the entire plethora of Star Trek and let you guys know, of some episodes you can watch it relate directly to this one. And this is the one here. In fact I left I will say let fans know I did not mention any of the Federation ships. I'm going to leave that for the conversation. But I love the comment wake me up when Kyle's returns again. Of course, that's referenced to TNG's Rightful Air season six, episode thirteen with Kyle's returned. This is a fun one. I think Eric will appreciate this one. The Schrodinger possible field sure sounds to remind me of the infinite improbability drive back from the Hitchhiker's Guide of the Galaxy in that series.

20:51 But they were passing through so many different dimensions that reminded me of that story. I mean, this episode was just chock full of and that was. A Voyagers barge of the dead. Remember that ship that appeared and was lost came from Voyager's Barge to the Dead Season six, episode three, n G's Genesis Season seven, episode nineteen, where we get to see what a deevolved you klingon look like when Warf started to change back into de evolving into his past. Voyager's Deadlock Season two, episode twenty, when we get two versions of the same ship when the ship splits in two in Voyager, they end up with two different ships. DS nine Emissary Part two, Season one, so two when we move a space station, I mean when you move a space station next to a new wormhole, Lord X Moist vessel. You had to be careful to catch this one. But this was season one episode four, the return of Lieutenant J. G. O'Connell.

22:26 Back in season four, we had a character ascend. Well, he came back, showed up in sick Bay. Another one you had to be careful to catch. Tng subrosa, Stop giggling guys. Season seven, episode fourteen, dealing with the ghost candle. Now you're talking, Charles, let go, I know Paul. Wanted to candle tg gee All good things. Season seven, episode twenty six, when when the show ends with a game of poker, and in that poker game, I love this one. Lower Decks Crisis point two Paradox, Season three, episode eight the Chuch the chot Shoo Dan shirt. One of the poker players was wearing one. It was great to see that shirt showing back up.

23:30 That's right. But man, so many fun references in this season finale, especially those last few scenes. You just had to watch it as they they popped in there. But ah, I wonder. They did it. They came quick, they quick. I really wonder what the fans thought about this. Well, I can tell you that one of our fans, Tyler young Bloods, said that it's a shame the series is ending so soon. The best Star Trek show since the nineties early two thousands. Scott Klayman said, I mean five seasons is a decent run. Eddie Pasa, a top contributor, said that was dot dot dot beautiful. Don't cry because it was just positive and lovely and all the wonderfulness this show is. This episode is a celebration of everything the show was, is and could have been. Mike McMahon and company sent us out on one of the ultimate high notes, stocked with enough gravity, emotion, and laughs to keep this show even keeled and a source of joy.

24:40 All of our heroes got really cool endings, to be fair, but I had especially high hopes for Boimler that were fulfilled. One of the best series endings of all the TV shows I've watched over my lifetime, and not because it's lower decks. It's a hug from the creative crew to us, and it is received with a more bitter than sweet happiness and lots of appreciation. One complaint though, did anyone notice that the episode description said season finale where lots of wild stuff happens. Why would they do that to us? It's a mini spoiler, mini spoiler. Gilman Wong said, Holy crap, I don't believe how they tied in all the random elements that had been sprinkled throughout the season. I'm a lore Ioli Starbase eighty. I just wish the Bagoons could have made another appearance. Thanks Gilmen. Mike Bartel said, Harel and Alonso on starbas eighty Heart, they get to spend more time together and oversee missions to the alternate universes, Din Ransom of the USS Siritos to Anna meowing as she hugs Carol goodbye. Mike loved. Tyler slayde Homer, A Top Contributors said, did everyone see Rikers, Titan and Worse's enterprise?

25:58 Worf's enterprise? I love it. Tyler Blackwell said, open ended about as I expected. Definitely felt rushed, and it's clear whatever the episode was originally, it wasn't ever intended to be the series finale. It does function well as a season finale, which admittedly is what McMahon said he was going for. Hanji Boss said, Wow, that was one of the best finales I've seen on TV ever, not just an animation. Love this show. So grateful for the crew and cast for giving Treky such a profoundly comforting show over the years. I'm left smiling even writing this. They really stuck the landing on this finale. If I had to pick a favorite moment, it would be the ending montage with Mariner's speech, which is crazy because I really dislike montage as usually, but there are so many moments in the episode that were just incredibly well done ten out of ten. Also, I'm torn between three things for favorite line in this amazing finale. Science best ease is one. Yeah, I did get mad and set my bed on fire, and of course Ransom's new saying engage the core. Thanks Anjie. Mark Lopez said, I was expecting more. Too much time was spent on the Klingons.

27:17 Last week's episode was so much better, and why couldn't it have changed into the NX one. I swear they have something against showing that ship. Mark J. Lim, a top contributor, said, one of my favorite parts was when one of the Klingon ships turned into the Disco Klingons. I think that was a person, not a ship, but yes, Mark agreed. Steve Ramos, top contributor, said that after the credits scene with Tendy and Rutherford was so hot dopamine inhibitor. Indeed, thanks Steve. And last but not least, Amanda Nicole said, all hands brace for weird. This is my new Trek catchphrase. Well, Mariner's speech started out my ugly crying, but engaged the core started my simultaneous uncontrollable laughing. So I'm pretty sure I just pulled something for a season finale that had to become a series finale. I think they really did a great job. It feels wrapped up in the way tg DS nine and Voyager felt wrapped up. The story is complete, but also ready for the next story. And uh this week gens. We have a fan score for this episode of an extremely solid nine point seven. I believe that that averages up to a ten.

28:41 Wow. Wow, fans really liked that episode. We're rounding up now and I love it. Well. I did that for you, Paul. Wow, we got a lot. I don't think you're gonna be doing my taxes anytime soon, Eric, but it'll all work out. It's fine. We had a lot of deathibles for your last week when you weren't here. Apologies but well. Thought out and reason too real clear clip. Sorry I missed decimal negotiation. Eric, Eric threw some decimals in just for you. Well, you know you can't have everything right, It's true. So Paul, since you weren't here last week, you want to start us off with this episode? Sure? Sure, I mean we've already done you know, a bit of a you know, kind of quasi sideways recap with good at training, but you know, it's good to sort of, you know, go over some of the high points in the episode, right, just to sort of remind folks that was going on. And I swear to God if you say my target is ugly, I will kill you where you stand. But a brief opening scene we meet the great character of Relga, who's a great name, right, who is running into that reality warping fisher from last week's episode, right, And then we're quickly back in the bar with our main characters getting caught up on stuff. Boims is continuing to obsess over his pad, which becomes a huge plot element, right, and a lot of technobabble going on, as we've already talked about there between t Len and Tendee, and there's something wrong with the rout the part. He's very complaining that his tech is not up to his advanced cybernetic standards.

30:15 And then Boe has this freak out over this warning from his transporter, Twins sending him and he's trying to convince the captain that things are really bad, and she believes him right away, and Starfleet commands says, yeah, we agree. All of reality is about to be destroyed. Sorry, don't you know, don't bother that. I will wash your hands. And then the rift is surrounded by a field that can transform you into all kinds of different multiverse things like giving you a cactus for a head or whatever. It might be. Right, But they have a fix for the rift is to shoot it with a gluonic beam because it doesn't love a good blast of gluons, right, And there's some kind of a shield work around thing that goes on. But you know, of course there's no other ships conveniently nearby. It's just up the serellas that come in there and do that. Call it fighter entanglement.

31:09 This is your mission, right, So that's kind of the deal there. And then. We've got Maa's ma I think, right, who's attacked by Relga, right, and she's using the destruction of her earlier ship as a pretense for revenge. Right. And then Malor, who just looks like he's wandered in from a fish concert. I love that guy. Right. He basically warps them over to the Crethos for asylum, ignoring his brother, right. And then they're trying to do a lot of reconfiguring of the ship in a really short amount of time to help with all the quantum nonsense, and may or may not involve the hull, and you know, there's a lot of negotiating going on with Relga trying to things work out, a little micro targ that's yapping the whole time.

31:59 But then. They're trying to figure out where Malor is and Relga ignores all the good things that Captain Freeman's done, and it's just this whole nonsensical thing of attacks and the Sorito's trying to get out of there, and then they end up at the Schrodinger possibility field, and this is where we start this whole thing that I know a lot of people enjoyed, right of the Soritos transforming into different ships that we recognize, because what's better than recognizing something you've seen before. And then Relga's fleet shows up right and the whole thing happens where the Klingon ship turns it into some old barge and there we go, We've seen that before. There the Soritos engines cut out and they're kind of dead in space. At the mercy of the Klingons and then Relga threatens the board the ship, and there's a lot to keep track of. Is this plot just keeps, you know, carraming around back and forth. Right, Boemler ends up destroying his pad, right, breaking it in half to show solidarity with Mariner, right, because it turns out she was right. And Ransom knows who actually did hide mallor right, and it was Ransom because he did it.

33:09 He was just thought there was something wrong with Admiral Freeman's you know, you know, follow orders message and he was right because it was all bs right. And I think Kaishan probably said it best Jenza when the truth was uncovered. All right, love that guy. I mean, that's a character I will definitely miss. So they're still kind of at the mercy of the Klingons. But then whatever her name is, Olympia Ali whatever, she's out there on the ship with her magical deity powers, and she's able to use her demigogue powers to get rid of the Klingons shielding, leaving them exposed to be devolved into the crazy proto Klingons that Charles mentioned earlier. So there's a lot of infighting and her flagship is quickly destroyed, destroyed, And then this whole thing of the ship just changing from one class to another to another to another, and I'm just like, I know folks like that kind of thing, but man, it just is to me, is just like way tedious. I prefer storytelling as opposed to you know, yatzi, but that's just me. And then Rutherford has this kind of epiphany moment where he realized that having an old ship is just what they need. Is he basically tears off his incompatible eyepiece and reconfigures the ship to power them back up, and this really cool eleventh hour kind of maneuver and they're able to destroy the storm, but somehow the ship is split up into two different halves if I'm remembering this right. And then Tendy and to

34:41 lend to this whole science besties thing, which makes me think this was written by somebody in their late twenties maybe, and I'm not sure. And the Critos finally makes it to the rift and they ready to close it for good by firing glue on beam, but that doesn't work for some reason, right, and then Malora shows up up and says something about rivers and farms and dams, which makes marin Or leap into action and do something to reconfigure the beam that just seemed very spontaneous, and the rift stops doing its thing and stabilizes and turns into a permanently open gateway, a deep space nine wor a whole effect, if you will. So as a token of appreciation, Ma is given Rugg's fleet and he's kind of promoted right, and they move Starbase eighty bringing that thing back right to hang out at the gateway with Captain Freeman and her Admiral Hubby in charge of exploring strange new realities.

35:38 And then in a pretty decent final scene, we got we're back into the bar, because it's pretty much, you know, damn near every episode right lower decks should end in the bar, and we've got Rutherford all d implanted and he has nothing on here, and everyone seems to think that that is a great improvement for him. And Beckett does this kind of inspirational voiceover montage right talking about all the Cerritos being a mishmash of people and various creatures and cultures that don't fit anywhere else. And then I think we close it out. I thought that one of the funnier bits is, you know, Ransom being in charge, which is just hilarious, right because of his Ransom being Ransom and his first act of being captain is to make Mariner and Boemler co provisional first officers, kind of echoing what was done with to Lynn and Tendy a couple of episodes ago. Right, So we've got that whole dynamic there. Again, it's a competition, you'll work it out, but you're in charge of the lower decks now. So it's the kind of thing where, yes, the series is over, I think it is over. I don't think anyone is picking this up, is where it seems at this point, or I think they would have. But it's one of those things that they do, similarly with the vibe that we just had on Prodigy, right where it's just like, Okay, we're done with the story, but it's open enough that other forms of media could still tell other stories, right if somebody down the road wanted to do another show

37:12 like this, or to continue it on in like the comics format, you know, whatever it may be. But once the show is over, though, and the cast separates, it's notoriously hard to get everyone back together again, right, because people get other jobs, they get out of the work, and they move on. So if they haven't picked it up by now to move over to like some other platform, I don't see that happening. And then it just seems like there's such chaos over at Paramount these days. I just don't think that they could pull anything off in a you know, relatively go aeron fashion so long and complicated recap, but I think that we, you know, got a sense to really understand, you know, what people wanted to say for everybody knew at this point this was going to be the finomenon, right, and I think they really tried to do a lot of give all the character is a nice moment in terms of, you know, making a pleasing dismount for the audience.

38:04 You know. I think there's always going to be particular people's favorites they could have done more with. I would have liked to have seen a little bit more with Doctor Donna and Shacks. I think that would have been great. It was like a little bit more to Lin. I thought she was really on a great arc this season, and then they kind of just dropped it, you know, and she just kind of became you know, co pilot characters with tend right, So I don't know what happened to her, but I felt like they kind of dropped the ball a bit there. So I mean entertaining and fun definitely not I wouldn't rank it among the best Lower Decks episodes for me, you know, But like I said, comedy is super subject subjective, and a lot of times the show likes to get more sentimental and poignant in its efforts to have brought its appeal than just stick to comedy, right, So it's got that side as well. But overall, I think a pretty fitting end of the series. It was a weird the whole rift thing. It was kind of a weird plot to drag on for the entire ten episodes of this season. I don't know if it really justified having it be a continuing, you know, interconnecting plot like that, but it was all right. I'm just you know, it's what they chose to do, and I think they've given that decision for storytelling. I thought it ended up working for the finale pretty well.

39:21 I've given an eight solid Well it's not it's not a bad eight point one, eight point two, just a straight eight I'm sorry. Was that other thing you said? I didn't. I didn't recognize that point something he could not, So I believe in committing right. It's just like I don't waffle. You know. This is like, you know, like Empire magazine, you know, one through five. Oh all right, David, you want to jump in here next, buddy, mister Scotty. Okay, Uh yeah. I enjoyed this episode, and I think we gotta coick something that one of the fans said that the favorite parts was when one of the ship turned into a clean On disco ship. Uh, that actually did happen. It wasn't just actually an alien it or to clean On character. It was actually the entire ship that turned into it. I just wanted to bring that up.

40:23 But I actually did enjoy the ship's changing quite a bit, especially that ship. I really liked the design of the new clean On bo to play, even though it's not technically called that, but it's I don't know, it's got a nice little sleek design to it. I enjoyed it. Other than that, this episode, I do have to agree it wasn't the best, But like I said in last week's episode, it did feel like it was rushed a little bit, and I felt that this whole thing, the portal now being permanently open wound the time that what Wharf was in charge of the enterpe? Is that correct?

41:11 Or would Picard still. Because huh no, I think I do think that what our fans said about it being Wharf's enterprise. I mean, we don't know for sure because it hasn't been shown in Cannon, but there have been suggestions that, like by this point, you know, perhaps Picard's not the one behind the captain c anymore. You know, there was the Titan, so we know that you know rankers there, but like not on the Enterprise, so you know it's either Percard or it's somebody else captaining the E. So yeah, and the fact that actually showed the Enterprise E being there, I was like, wow, okay, are we going to see Picard here soon? But nope, tadly but uh yeah, so I enjoyed it. It would fun. I did like a lot of the comments that fan made, especially like those the different lines that they forgot what the person's name was, but he's saying something like hungily boss.

42:10 I think he said that. I think it was him. He were saying that his three favorite lines were you know, the science, besties and all the other stuff. So to me, I I did enjoy a lot of the lines that were shedding this episode. And yeah, it's to me, this episode still felt rush. To me, I don't know it. I almost felt like it was worse than last episode, even though this is a final finale. And to me, I just I don't know, it just felt rush. I can't really keep stop saying that for some reason. But yeah, I did enjoy the line though when they finally got turned into a township and Shacks was all excited that weapons are gonna be great and all of a sudden you're like, no, they're.

43:06 Down, Like we've got amazing weapons, weapons are down. Check the core. So yeah, uh, there were quite a few funny stuff. So also that tiny, tiny little Cleanton dog. Did anyone else think that looks like a shuaha? Yeah? It was like a stunted targ or something. I don't know what it was supposed to be, a targ puppy. I don't even know. It looked kind of crazy. It had like different sized eyes and stuff. It's weird. Yeah, but overall, you know, it was an interesting plot. I can't really say it followed like Star Trek Lawyer, how they're gonna put that permanent portal into from what the future Star Treks now know as uh, one of the different dimensions to realities or something like that. So I don't know. It's just seemed a little too MCU to me for some reason. So I don't know. It's an interesting idea. I can say how it worked, but like I said last week, it got great potential, but it's just, you know, the more I think about it, it's like, I don't know, does that really fit with Star Treks floor. So I don't know.

44:29 But overall, yeah, and. The fact that with the ransom is super strong, but yeah, other than that, yeah, I don't know. I'm probably gonna give this episode a seven point five. Gotta go with the decimal, gotta do it for Paul. There you Paul, there you go, there's your deciel. Well, I'm kind of there with David. Actually, I didn't like the last week. I didn't really like the alternate universe stuff, and I didn't really care for it in this episode either. Like David said, it's too much MCU thing. We already have Carl Or the Guardian of Forever. So do we really need a giant wormhole that can take you anywhere and do anything? That? I just I didn't like it.

45:18 And if you think about it, like the Romulins, the Klingons, the Borg, everybody's gonna want to get their hands on this thing because they can just go through and do whatever they want and come back with super Borg or super Romulins or whatever. I just that was the one part I didn't like. Was this this wormhole to anywhere type of thing. Yeah, I thought that was really dumb. But you know, when Boemler starts screaming We're all gonna die, I lost it. I lost it because I've done that on an airplane before and it's not very funny. So I liked it. I enjoyed it. There were a lot of good character moments in the episode. The Klingon ship was cool, the new Bird of Prey with the two wings it was neat, And I love the Klingon brothers.

46:06 Malora is walking around eating bugs through the whole episode, and when he finds out there's a replicator in their quarters, he's like, oh, they have more than bugs here. So I thought that was, you know, a neat little line. I do like those two. I liked the development that we see in in Boimler, how he smashes the pad he doesn't need it anymore. And he's got a full beard. Eric. I don't know if you if you caught that, but he's got the full beard. Now. We have talked about that a couple episodes ago, like would he ever get the beard? Yep, he did, he got it. Yeah, and it looks good. And Mariner hates that it looks good. Yeah, yeah, And you know they're so good together now.

46:46 I think making them co first officers was cool, and I think that Ransom grew into his captaincy. I think he's going to be a better captain than we thought he would have been at the beginning. And of course, uh Captain Freeman getting the happy ending with her with her admiral husband was fitting. So I am sad to see lower decks go, because, as Paul said, when they're when they're when they're spot on, they are spot on. I mean, when they do it right, they they do it right, and when they go astray, they go astray. For me, this episode was kind of in the middle, so I'm kinda you know, I'm not I'm kind of with I'm gonna go with the seven point five in honor of Paul I was gonna go, I was gonna go with an eight, but I'm gonna go with a seven point five, just just for Paul. So who wants to go next? Charles?

47:39 Eric? Charles Eric? Who wants to jump in? Charles and with the quad? Okay? I surprised David didn't go through this, but I wanted to go through a few of the notes I love. I've never really gotten a C but I do like the innocing look look of a Freedom class ship, a Freedom class ship. Who we did see the fire of the Firebrand in Will three five nine with a single cell in the cell. I thought that was an interesting looking ship. We got to see a tearan Empire ship, which I don't get through that the t West version.

48:21 I'm thinking that more of the comic book version from Broken Mirror. In fact, I think somewhere in my collection, I think I actually have that ship. We've had a Sovereign class ship, we have no Birth class ship. We had a Galaxy class ship. We even had a Miranda class ship similar to the Reliant from con I enjoyed seeing the different type ships, a couple of couple of items here. I surprised nobody commented on that I loved and that was as comments one of hers from quoting.

49:06 There has to be some sneaky, underheaded kirkstyle trick we can use to bleep her up like they did in the old days. That just had me rolling and then her second, yeah she is old total and then you turned I at the end. Could we just save the bleep in universe? Oh? She had? Like what? She had some great lines in there. Well. On Charles. One of the things that I'll just comment on with that is, I think we agreed on a previous show many weeks ago that one of the funniest things about about her lines is the fact that they bleep them. Yeah, that somehow makes them funnier than if she had actually said the word, which I think is just brilliant. Like I hope when they put them out on DVD or whatever that that they will continue to bleep them.

50:07 Because the close caption it actually says the word bleep, bleep or bleeping. I think they're in their primary because I think that's the joke, is to have her censor. I hope we didn't give you too much about Rutterford and the UH and the implant last week, where we did say that was something coming up in the episode, we didn't give you really much detail how it affected the episode. I'm I interesting that we've got two Lieutenant JG's as dual first officers and the fact that they're going to spend some time dealing with some of the lower deck people. Oh as we sit there and show on the slide show where Rutterford takes off the implant and he starts acting like data and speedily putting up all the chips in there, and I love his idea, is okay, if we keep switching over, let's have the warp core actually feed off of the energy coming in from the multi the not multiverse, but from me.

51:35 You're being We're being fueled by interdimensionality itself. So it's like literally saying, almost like being tapped into the tartis tap our trap our warp tap our warp courts are directly like the tartist right into right into the whole field. And then I like Mariner's idea. It's like, okay, we can't seem to get the shut and all of a sudden it's like, Okay, if we can't shut it, build a dam that holds things back. And it's like, I'm not sure where she got the idea, but I thought it was an interesting idea of doing it to capping it. So we actually had a new wormhole. I'm not exactly sure who we're gonna end up seeing through that wormhole. How far are you going to be transfer but I think it's gonna be a new new study for the Federation, and Federation probably won't work with other cultures and doing research just like we do the wormhole, the Majorian wormhole, and to tell you, different cultures on both sides.

52:44 Never know who we get. Let's just don't have another dominion war. So I'm going to agree with the fans on this one, and I'm gonna give my score the fan score of a nine point seven. I thought this was a great, great episode and a great finale. Yes, well that only leaves you Eric. You get to bring up the kaboos, buddy. Are you ready? I am so ready? Absolutely Okay, So let's see runtime thirty four minutes, so it was longer than most episodes, and so even though it was super fast paced, it felt good to me, like, I liked the pace of it, and I felt like it kind of kept it going because when you look at episodes, like all good things, I mean, you do have those contemplative moments of Picard being old and that sort of stuff. There's also a ton of action in really good final episodes, and this had a ton of actions, so I liked that. I also really liked that they brought Klingons back, and that they made Relga the main villain of this episode. It felt very you know, like bringing things back from the past to work them into the finale was really cool, and bringing the brothers back to was was great. I just really liked it. I mean, I think we all liked episodes like Waste Dooge and the Inner Fight and Farewell to Farms and all those other ones that the

54:16 Klingons were in, So, you know, more Klingons. I don't think that's a bad thing. I agree with Paul that they probably aren't going to pick this up for more seasons, Bood. I don't think it leaves spin offs out of the potential, you know running. So you know, if we if we ever got our Klingon spin off, you better believe I'd be watching Let's see the plot, the overall plot, like the season long plot of the rifting and the dimensionality and all that kind of stuff. Totally see what you guys are saying about multiverse MCU, et cetera. Everybody's a little bit tired of the thing about different universes and whatnot.

55:01 I guess the way I see it is that this is the only Star Trek that we've gotten that kind of takes us beyond warp Drive, and so I don't have a problem with that. I actually like the idea that it kind of says, Okay, it's not just all of these people out here that we haven't yet discovered. It's all these realities that we haven't yet discovered. And yes they have to defend it from the Romulans and all this kind of stuff. But remember this is a comedy, and the comedy is like the comedy. In this episode I thought was actually pretty good. I thought the jokes were good, and the recall references and stuff have been a part of Lower Deck since day one, so if you like the show, you kind of have to like the references, at least at a superficial level. So I didn't mind at all the fact that they sort of end up with this quantum reality way to get to different places, and I think it opens up a multiverse of possibilities, so to speak. So no problem with that.

56:00 You know, David's a stickler for cannon, so there's just especially when it comes to ships. So I just want to point out that they did miss something here because her ship was not a bird of prey. It was a cavort class. It was much much bigger than the little tiny birds of prey that were flying around the Cerritos. And you know how her ship was like twice as big or four times as big, closer to the size of the cerritos. It's a cavort, it's not a bird of prey. Not important, But I'm just saying the decision to move Captain Freeman to Star Bas eighty when in fact Star Bas eighty had throughout the entire season been seen as the you know, the most terrible place you could possibly go, and then we get that one episode which kind of gets you into the inside of Starbas eighty, and then the same person was still running it after they moved it in position. I thought that was a nice recall and a nice way to kind of send Freeman off into her next adventure. I think we all liked Carol Freeman, and I think that she's actually going to do a fantastic job, you know, running this star base.

57:02 I think it needs somebody with a firm hand, but who also has a heart and like can make good decisions that maybe don't always follow protocol like most of our really good Star Trek captains. So I appreciated that quite a bit. And then Jim mentioned, you know, Ransom becoming captain. I'm sorry, but Engage the Core is the absolute best warp thing ever. Like Warp Me never really resonated with me Engage the Core with Ransom, saying that it's just part like you can't write it any better than that. So just fantastic. Him as the captain makes a lot of sense to me because Ransom is, like, you know, he kind of comes off as a jock the whole time, and we all, maybe not all of us, many of us who are especially nerdy, have this idea that jocks are kind of like, maybe not as mentally evil.

57:56 I know I'm stepping on some toes there, but let me just say that Ransom has proved over and over again that he has the ability to lead, that he has the ability to see the people under his command, and he has the ability to adjust and kind of like maintain his own identity, but then also ensure that people are getting what they need and that they're staying safe and that sort of stuff. So I love the fact that they just made him the captain in the end. I thought that was great. And then, of course I'm a sucker for anything romantic in these shows, and just the Rutherford getting a little bit embarrassed by Tendy telling him that he looks good and his cheeks kind of turn red and he's just a little like gets a little soft in the heart about that. I really liked that because it's it's there's been a tension, but not like a like a friend tension, not a sexual tension between the two of them, and I liked the little bit of acknowledgment of that at the very end of the series. So just love that. So yeah, I really like I get a lot of the things that you guys were saying. Was it a perfect, absolutely perfect ending to the series. No, but but a lot of our characters get sent off into great places, I would have I agree with Paul. I would have liked a little bit more Shacks. I would have liked a little bit more Tonna. You know, there's several characters that they could have fit a little bit more, and I almost feel like they should have just gone for broke and made this an hour long episode instead of, you know, stopping at thirty four minutes. I mean, they probably could have

59:28 fit in a whole bunch of other stuff, but they kept the pace up, which kept it interesting to watch, And it was interesting enough that I watched it a couple of times. I just you know, I was done with it and I was like, shoot, that was pretty good. I'm gonna watch it again. So yeah, overall, I have to say that I probably liked the comedy and that sort of stuff more on the Charles end of things here. I don't know if i'd give it a nine point seven, but I would say, as finales go, I need to give it out. I'm not afraid of these decimals, so I'm gonna go it's not quite a nine to me, but it's more than an eight. So I'm gonna go eight point five. Not afraid to say eight point five from me pretty darn good. And I will watch it probably a third time.

1:00:13 Wow, three decimals tonight. That's pretty awesome an honor of wall Well. I will say, though, Eric, if you recall Season one of Discovery, clearly made it up. You know, obvious to us that there are a multi universe in Star Trek. If you remember when Stanmt's was jumping around the Ship of the Dead and he said, every one of these bubbles is a universe. That they set that all up already there, but yeah, yeah, yeah. No, absolutely, and they and they tell yeah, and it's you know, they made a joke about it. Was it last week when Harry Kim says, you mean there are more than two universes? Yeah, I mean, I that was that was a great line, right, because we you figure, if if universes are created by decisions, then there must be an infinite number of universes because an infinite number of decisions have been made. So you know, there's there's no math to quite prove that yet, but we'll get there.

1:01:11 I said that would to kind of build on something that David said though. Right, It's like I think that you know, because you mentioned the MCU, David, which I thought was a really good thing to bring up just because not so much of the commonality of you know, the choice to do multiverses, right, because that's we've seen that around, right, But I think storytelling, why is it really shoots you in the foot, right. It's just like, as soon as you run into that whole thing, it feels like a weird TV trope from like, you know, the seventies or something, right where it's just like, you know, I mean, I think you saw it really sort of evolving like with the first season of like the Loki series. I don't know if anybody watched that, right, had a couple of good episodes, but it's just like, all of a sudden, it's just like, Okay, there's this version of you and it's you against you and the three version of you, and it's like, you know, mirror you, and it's just like it becomes it's really tedious, right, because it's like you're either going to have the dynamic where Okay, I'm mistaken, identity happens where it's like, Okay, I thought it was me, but it's not me, or something like that.

1:02:12 The audience is confumbed. Well, Paul, one of the things we talked about last week was that multi The one of one of the biggest problems with multiverses is that nothing matters in the story anymore, right, is because you can if it can happen out there, then it doesn't necessarily affect the characters that we've all come to know and nice. But what I'll say is that last week's episode, my argument against that was that, okay, it was, it happened entirely with other universe characters, but the consequences of that story affected the universe, you know, the prime universe that we're in, affected the characters that we all know and love. And so that type of multiverse story I don't mind. And also I think that a lot of people like the kind of what if you know? And and what if is a great way to exp It's a great thing to be explored in all of these different universes. You know, what if Carol Freeman was a bird, or what if you know they were made of cactus heads or stuff.

1:03:16 I'm not sure that it's enough to sustain an entire season or that sort of thing, but but it's enough to like be able to say, Okay, it exists, we can pop in, we can tell a story in that much in the same way that mirror Universe episodes of regular Star Trek like affect our other characters, right, you know, Deep Space nine mirror Mirror Universe episodes always have main characters in them that are affected by the alternate universe. If it's a good story, and you know it's not just but it's just it just gets so gimmicky, and the problem I find it with it, I find it really tedious. Right, It's just so seldom is it done for a good storytelling reasons. Right, It's just done because somebody got some impulsive idea, right, and there's no payoff to it. So it's just I just find it very difficult to get engaged. And so it's like when when you start rotating through like multiple starships, right where it's changing it into all these different things. I just I'm over here in the Who Cares Camp, I just like I'm like, that is just nothing to me, right, It's just like, like, you know, I would not ever never watch a group of people playing bingo and.

1:04:23 See for me that was this is completely ridiculous, and this is comedy, and so I'm laughing every time the thing changes, right, Yeah. I'm checking out, man, I'm just checking out. It's just just different strokes, different tastes, right, Yep. Also, I wanted to bring up the topic of the fact that that Huson felt rush wise, they forgot some key stories of what lower decks we're going for, like that whole secret option, things about what Ruddeford implant would like. I mean, they completely get that over that story and it just like went straight to this and I was like, ah, man, I wanted to see what happened with that. So yeah, some of the things like that, it kind of like didn't even bother with.

1:05:05 I would like. I also want to throw a comment that I read where Carol Friedman she was more of a captain that made her own decisions, whereas we get the season. By the season finale, she's listening to a lot of her crew, a lot of her Bridge members. She's listening to her crew for opinions, and she's validating and accepting those opinions, which makes her I think a better captain. Was making her a better captain. Yeah, and Charles, I think that's because of the development of her relationship with Mariner over the season. We had we had that one episode where they kind of bond you know, and I think that was a huge part of her becoming a better captain was actually understanding where Mariners coming from. And in the same way that Mariner grew towards her, she doesn't even to grow towards Mariner.

1:06:03 So Charles, the fans gave it a nine point sevenation. The fans gave a nine point seven, the host gaven eight point two. Not well now also bad the season overall, the fans given eight point five, the host gaven eight. But I took the ad I took. I took the ten shows from the fans and from the host and got overall score.

1:06:46 No, not too shabby at all. All right, guys, Well that wraps up our review of the series finale of Star Trek Lower Decks, unless anybody else wants to add anything about our decks before we move on. Okay, so now it's time for our birthday shout out. That was not a Clinton song. God, you gotta love David. He throws in all kinds of little surprises. When you, guys, I get to watch it on the slide show, you'll see a lot of little surprises hop in there from David. All right, guys, so this is the part of the show where we get to go to our Star Trek birthdays, and we always start off our birthdays bye sadly enough, remembering those members of our Star Trek family who are no longer with us, And for that we turned to Eric.

1:07:48 Yeah, Jim. This week we're gonna remember seven members of our Star Trek community who have gone before us. The first is actor William Boyett. He's the actor who played Lieutenant Dan Bell in the TNG first season episode The Big Goodbye. He also played a policeman in the six season episode Times Arrow Part two. But Boyott is probably best remembered for his role as Sergeant Mac McDonald on the police drama Adam twelve from nineteen sixty eight to nineteen seventy five. He also starred in the movie Forbidden Planet, which I'm sure you're all familiar with and like as much as I do. In seventy one, he appeared with Shatner in the movie Vanished, and he also appeared in a couple of other movies along the way, including one with Terry Farrell called The Deliberate Stranger. William Boyott we lost him back in two thousand and four at the age of seventy seven years old. Happy birthday to him.

1:08:43 Happy birthday as well to Jane Ross. She's the actress best known for playing to Moon in the TOS second season episode The Gamesters of Trescallon. This was her only known television acting role. She had previouly previously made an uncredited appearance in the classic nineteen fifty seven film The Sweet Smell of Success, but uncredited. So does it count? Yeah? I think so? But not on IMDb in twenty three, despite the rumors to the contrary, Jane Ross, her is not a pseudonym used by Beatrice Arthur and they were not the same person. If you think Jane Ross is that Jane Ross, is not that Jane Ross. But this Jane Ross lost way back in nineteen eighty five at the young age of fifty three years old. Happy Birthday to her, Happy birthday as well to Actor. Alfred Ryder born Alfred Jacob Korn was the actor who portrayed Robert Krater in the TOS first season episode The Man Trap. He made well over one hundred television guest appearances in his career, all the classics from the sixties Untouchables, Gun Smoke, Outer Limits, Man from Uncle, Mission Impossible, quincy Me All that Stuff. He was also in Escape to Which Mountain back in nineteen seventy five. Also starred in the cult movie Tracks, which I have not seen, but I do know that movie has Dean Stockwell in it nineteen seventy six. He retired

1:10:15 from acting in nineteen eighty and died fifteen years later. Lived a happy, healthy life to the age of seventy nine years old. We lost him back in nineteen ninety five. Happy Birthday, Alfred Ryder. Happy Birthday as well to Jeremy Kemp, the English actor who portrayed Robert Picard in the Next Generation four season episode Family of Course, The brother of JLP. He was born Edmund Jeremy James Walker in Chesterfield, Derbyshire, and adopted his mother's maiden name as his stage Moniker began his career acting in the nineteen fifties and in nineteen seventy five guest starred in the sci fi series Space nineteen ninety nine in the episode Voyagers Return. His last role was in Conan the Adventures television series, which ran for one season from nineteen ninety seven to nineteen ninety eight. Jeremy Kemp lost back in twenty nineteen at the rifled age of eighty four years old. Happy birthday to Jeremy, Happy birthday as well to Victor Vic Tayback.

1:11:21 He's the actor who portrayed Jojo Craco in the TOS second season episode A Piece of the Action in nineteen sixty six. He also made an uncredited appearance in the film's Dead Heat and also on The Merry Go Round. During that first season of TJ. Hooker Shatner's show, he also guest starred as Lieutenant Pete Benedict and throughout the eighties he starred primarily and made for TV movies, but he appeared all over the place. I mean, you see his face, you recognize it. So we've definitely seen him before. And in nineteen eighty nine he actually co starred with Robert Piccardo in the comedy lover Boy. This film also starred Christy Ally. Somebody else who's a Star Trek alumni.

1:12:06 So happy birthday to Victor Vic Taybach. Lost back in nineteen ninety at sixty years old. Next to last on our list is a member of our Star Trek Committee. We lost It feels like just yesterday, but it was back in twenty nineteen. Aaron Eisenberg was the actor best known for portraying the Ferengi Knog on Deep Space nine, and of course he reprised that role in Star Trek Online in the season ten mission Time in a Bottle. He also played the Kazon Car on Voyagers episode Initiations. Eisenberg underwent a kidney transplant when he was a teenager, which stunted his growth around five feet, and he made his first acting appearance in the nineteen eighty nine movie Beverly Hills Brats, in which will Be Goldberg actually also made a cameo appearance. He made a hand full of movies throughout the nineties, and in nineteen ninety three he played alongside Will Wheaton in The Liars Club. He's also you know later in his life went on to be on the Seventh Rule podcast, which is still going and they do a great job of honoring him every year to remember his passing. He died unfortunately from heart failure back in twenty nineteen, so happy birthday and we miss him big time to Aaron Scott. Eisenberg lost at the age of fifty years old in twenty nineteen and last on My list this week is pro and Charles, did

1:13:39 you want to say I'm sorry? Did you want to say anything about Eisenberg? There? For those of you that get a chance to see our slide presentation, there are two pictures there. You agually get to see a picture of knog Lalita and I can't think of the father rom You actually get to see the three of them with the two guys in makeup. No, that wasn't fake makeup. No, that wasn't a special presentation. That was a actual Star Trek Las Vegas panel. They actually walked on stage in cost in makeup and costume to represent their characters. Aaron Eisenberg would be one that would show up on day one of the convention and if he wasn't doing a panel or something, he was in the he was in the dealer's room talking up with the fans. I had a great conversation with him.

1:14:42 We were trying so hard to get him on the show, and we lost him before we could succeed on getting him on the show. But he was just a fan favorite. Anybody would walk up to woman, strike up a conversation and really talk the guy which is as friendly as could be. And he is so missed. Yeah, I mean, fantastic actor and the character of Nag had such an arc over the course of Deep Space nine. Some of my favorite Deep Space nine episodes feature him, you know, the siegeed Aar five five eight, the War episode.

1:15:26 I talk about a lot on this podcast because he just really when I saw that. So what per Moon is a great one. Yeah, so fantastic actor, and like Charles said, we miss him. We miss him very much. And last, but not least on my list, one of the only people to ever actually play himself on Star Trek, Professor Stephen Hawking. He actually played himself in the episode All Good Things, alongside other actors who portrayed other famous scientists like Sir Isaac Newton and such. Of course, Stephen Hawking extremely extremely smart individual. The Chair of Mathematics at Cambridge University, he wrote myriad books. He is known for his work on mathematics and astronomy. According to the Star Trek Encyclopedia says, Hawking developed a quantum theory of gravity, in which he sought to link the two major themes of physics quantum mechanics and relativity. Hawking also speculated on the existence of wormholes and quantum fluctuations, linking multiple universes Honking.

1:16:44 Hawking's scientific achievements were all the more remarkable because he was afflicted with a debilitating neural disease that kept him confined to a wheelchair, able to speak only with the aid of his speech synthesis computer. Really really remarkable individual and to me one of the most inspiring people that I never got to meet, but that I really, even as a child, looked up to to see this person who was so physically limited and yet had a brain that was so much bigger and faster and could imagine so many more things than your average human being. When he showed up on Star Trek, I really lost my boop.

1:17:26 Like It's like, are you kidding me? He is on Start Like the guy that you won on Star Trek was on Star Trek playing himself. I really wish that I would have gotten to meet him at some point, and of course I never did. So Professor Stephen Hawking, one of the most remarkable, remarkable individuals in my opinion, to ever live, would have had a birthday this week, and just think of what he could have done had he been able to live longer. So happy birthday to Professor Stephen Hawking and gentlemen, that does it for our remembrances this week, So I'm going to pass my fleaming birthday, Charles.

1:18:07 Let's start off the Happy birthday to John Ales, American actor who portrayed Bruce Maddox in Charter Percard's first season episode Star Dust City Rag. Hey birthday to Anne Magnusson, an American actress and musician who played Admiral Kirsten Clancy in Star Trek per Card's first season episode Maps and Legends and Broken Pieces. Happy birthday to Rachel Emily Nicholas, an American actress who appeared as an Orion Starfleet cadet Gala in Star Trek two thousand and nine. Happy birthday to Carl Tart, actor writer and comedian who voice Lieutenant Kashawn in the second, third, and four seasons of Star Trek.

1:18:58 Lower Decks had some great lines this last episode two. Happy birthday to Mark Alan. Shepherd's background performer, actor and artist from Rockville Center, New York. Was best known portrayal as Mourn in Stir Trip to Space nine, and of course we all know what the acronym for Morn was. So Happy birthday Mark, and I'll pass this candle over to Paul. Thank you, Charles, appreciate that. Happy Birthday goes out to actress Hallie Todd. Halle is the actress who portrayed Law in the Next Generation third season episode The Offspring, one of the best Data episodes ever. I would argue, I think, really really great. Anybody who's a parent can relate to it, and she just did a spectacular job of embodying that character and just somebody discovering meaning from being alive. A really great performance. So Happy birthday, Hallie Todd. Wonderful job.

1:20:12 Really excited to be able to say Happy birthday to the charismatic and intimidating Clancy Brown, who is absolutely amazing. We acknowledge him for his time in Star Trek Enterprise on the first season, where he was in an episode called Desert Crossing, who played Zoebral in that episode. But Clancy Brown's been in damn near everything. I mean, He's been in multiple iterations of Star Wars, from the Mandalorian Too animated Rogue Rebels series, he was in the original Nightmare on Elm Street. He was in Paul Verhoven's Starship Troopers.

1:20:54 Great work in the Shawshank Redemption and of course, where I think America discovered Clancy Brown was in the original Highlander picture, all right. I mean, I'm sure folks know Highland exactly exactly. I know, I think a lot of folks on the show are big Highlander fans. But Clancy Brown also does a ridiculous amount of voiceover work. Particularly he's all over SpongeBob square Pants. I mean you, he's done like I think, close to three hundred episodes. So not really really great, very prolific, extremely charismatic and cool individual.

1:21:37 If Clancy Brown's in it, probably gonna be a good picture, would be. My guess chooses his material really really well. So we salute you, sir. Happy Birthday in the Happy Birthday goes out to Matt Frewer. Okay, Matt Frewer is from Washington, d C. And he played the role of Berlin hoff Rassmussen. There's a name that you can stick in your memory Banks on the Next Generation fifth season episode Matter of Time, a very interesting character of course, and Uncle Jim, who do we know Matt Frewer as being forever associated with Max Headroom exactly exactly kind of really embodied eighties visual style really in a lot of ways, right, I mean, it's a hard thing to shake. But still a lot of other interesting parts in his career as well.

1:22:32 I seem to remember, if I'm not mistaken, that Matt Frew had a really interesting, really cast against type role in the Watchman motion picture as well, really really interesting. So I'll have to make sure that my memory isn't failing me, but I'm remembering that that was Matt Frewerlock. Is that what he? Yeah? Yeah, thank you, brother, Yeah, yeah, you would not think that that was the dude that you would cast right for for you know, it'd be like for kind of a darker, messed up role. But thank you for the validation there. I appreciate that. Really really interesting performer. I think so very very cool, and I got one of my favorites here. I'm lucky enough to have an autographed picture of this person in my collection shrine. But I like actors have a little bit of an edge to them, and I think nobody embodies this characteristic more than the absolutely amazing Michelle Forbes Okay, who we know on Star Trek of course, for creating character role laren In at least eight episodes of Next Generation and the carrying the character forward in the third season of Picard, which was a real pleasant surprise there, really really cool. She previously played a character called Dara in Next Generation fourth season episode Half a Life. But a genre veteran who's been in tons of cool things. I first saw her in

1:24:05 a really cool picture called California with a K. California with the K, right, if you've seen. That with what's his name? The good looking the good looking guy with the surf. Is that what you're thinking of? No, No, the companies in it, but also Brad pitt Is, I think, and this the astonishing Juliet Lewis. Isn't that picture as well? I remember her. It was just like. Yeah, yeah, yeah, she was that as well. She's super talented, plays a lot of dark characters. She was in one of the Hunger Games pictures, she was in the True Blood series or an HBO. But science fiction fans will of course know her from her incredible turn on the newer iteration.

1:24:54 Of Battlestar Galactica Amazing. Where she played power hungry Admiral Kane. And I mean, I mean she's a villain, but she's a villain who doesn't think she's a villain. She thinks she's doing the right thing, and she's an absolute badass. I mean, it's an incredible performance, really really knocks my socks off. Rolerin I just think was just like that was Star Trek the next generation bumping itself up to a little bit higher, more mature level, and there would have been I think, no, I think a lot of the stuff on Deep Space nine would have never happened without you know, that character first showing us the way, yeah, I think, and being unabashedly political. And if you like that character of Rolin Paul as you know, you can continue to read about her adventures in the Star Trek Defiant comic. She she's a key character in that series right now. And I just I think that comic is fantastic.

1:25:48 It's like twenty something issues now getting close to the issues, right, I mean, that's cranking it out, doing really really well from what I understand. But yeah, so so continue on. You don't get to hear Michelle's voice unless it's in your head. But I just think she's a badass. She's just super super cool. I don't understand why she's not you know, lead actor in a list motion pictures. I just think she's a phenomenal talent, really really great and just one of the I think one of the best actresses working anywhere. So some cool people having January birthdays a fun way to kick off the start of what is sure to be a very interesting new year. And with that I will pass the Flaming Battles over to Uncle Jim Well.

1:26:34 I only have two for you guys. I like to do the Klingons last, but I only have one, So we want to start off by saying happy birthday to Jonathan Farwell from Lanson, Michigan. He's the actor who portrayed Walker Keel and Star Trek the Next Generation first season episode Conspiracy, And I believe I might be wrong, but I believe he coined the phrase trust no One on before Fox Muldar. He even said it on X Files. He said it on Star Trek, So. He was really cool in that role too on on that episode and it was just super cool. And he's the one that introduced Beverly to Jack Crusher as well.

1:27:16 Is that the episode that has like the very gory, like somebody getting shot and like their guts exploding or something. Yeah, it would have. I think that episode does not get the chops and props it deserves. I mean, the way they took like Wrath you know, ah, you know, space Seed and turned into Rathacon, you could have taken Conspiracy right and still could frankly and and use that as a jumping off point for a badass motion picture. Cool. Yeah, Conspira because it really ends kind of saying, you know, kind of looking out into the cosmos and going, we haven't heard the last of these nefarious creeps. I mean, it's a it's a one of the best episodes of season one, and this guy was just.

1:28:00 Yeah, he was he was good, and we did hear the last of from them. They never they never got back to that, those little pink bug things. Oh yeah, I mean, come on, that would be such a great picture. That would be awesome. Yeah. And Jonathan, Yes, exactly. And last on my list, we want to say go blah to Jamelia Ross. She's the actress, comedian, and singer who played Lukata and star Treks Strange New World second season episode The Broken Circle. She's one of the Klingons that was trying to buy the Federation parts to build the Federation shift there so called plat to Jamelia Ross and that my friends wraps up our Star Trek birthdays for this episode. And now now it's time to move into our Star Trek news.

1:28:55 If I already won message from Starfleet coming in on secure. Channel incoming transmission enter authorization code, command codes verified. Define parameters of program. Level nine authorization required, specifying parameters Transfer updata is complete. A black alert, blank alert. All right, guys, Eric is going to get us started off with our first news story, which just happens to relate to this week's episode. So take it away, Eric, it does relate. I have a lot to say about this article after it. So know the reports that Star Trek removed Discovery from Canon with a Lower Decks episode are not true. A report came out a few days ago that Star Trek was erasing Star Trek Discovery from Canon, which is not true, though Lower Decks did imply the show is in an alternate reality. The two thousand and nine universe clearly established itself as an alternate universe when Spock went back in time to trail a run who blew up the planet Vulcan using red matter. The events of the universe didn't unfold the same, though Primespock did his best to ensure that Kirk and Spock led their universe together. This treatment of continuity as an alternate universe kept old fans appeased while being able to establish news stories unburdened by the rules of the original universe. Star Trek Lower Decks did similar with the first season of Star Trek Discovery, though

1:30:27 it doesn't mean Paramount Plus or Alex Kurtzman are trying to erase the show as their continuing forward with spinoffs based on Discovery, which are coming out in twenty twenty five. The plot line of Lower Decks final season has to deal with the critos closing different portals to alternate realities. Far from erasing these realities, the end of the season actually opens up a multi versal wormhole where the Federation can launch missions to those realities to explore them, meaning all of this is fully ingrained in Cannon, even if they're separate timelines. Paramount has long held that everything on screen is canon to Star Trek. No stance on this matter has changed. In the final episode of Lower Decks, the Soritos and its crew transform multiple times as it gets caught in a rift, transforming them into different universe versions of themselves of themselves. In one of these universes, we see the season one Star Trek Discovery version of the Klingons, whose manners and appearance were panned by fans as not correct as they redesigned them. While it's very clear via Lower Decks finale that Discovery is in its own universe, its possible Lower Decks is as well, since the show underwent several multiversal transformations. Despite all of these existing, they are all still cannon. Despite the rumors going around the internet. That was exhausting. So here's what I have

1:31:59 to say. That little blip that was about two seconds long at the most in Star Trek Lower Decks has opened up more cans of worms than anything I think since Star Trek Discovery first came out. And in fact, what I think it did was I think it took a fan set that has been divided for years on the validity, goodness, et cetera of Discovery and it actually fractured it even further. It did nothing but bad to Star Trek for Lower Decks to show this one little blip of a Klingon because it is very clear from the episode that this beam or this wave of stuff shows you different possible alternate realities, right, And on this podcast, we fought so hard to try and convince our fans and our listening that Discovery was part of the Prime Universe canon, that it all was consistent with what was being shown, that they had connections to Tos, that they had connections to other Star Treks that we had seen, and Lower Decks completely dismantled all of that with this one final episode. So I have to say that of all the decisions made in this particular episode of Lower Decks, this in my opinion, was the worst one because it

1:33:31 did nothing but make fans hate other fans and feel us all apart. They explained it away with this whole multiversal thing, but of course, you know, at least three out of the five of the trexperts here don't totally dig that idea, and I respect that. I respect that you. Don't necessarily like the multiversal part of it. So I'm just like, when they did that, I stood up and I was like, what the f Like, I literally said that to myself, what the f And why would they ever ever do that? So I have said my piece. I hate it.

1:34:11 Well, I just want to interject. Can I interject? Am I allowed to Internet? Now is the time? Because I'm gonna mute myself. It keeps stewing a little bit. All right, Well, I don't think you really have anything to stew about. And the reason being, uh, they did show the Klingons de evolving into proto Klingons, correct, yep. Now, those proto Klingons that they evolved into were featured on Star Trek the Next Generation, which was not in an alternate universe where it was was shown on an episode in the actual universe. So to say that all the things that they showed us were from an alternate universe is contradicted in the same episode that's telling us that.

1:34:55 So yeah, I just think they just threw it in there as a as a joke. I actually enjoyed seeing the Discovery Klingons there and the Discovery Bird of Prey. I thought that was neat. But yeah, it's opened up a whole can of worms because the Discovery haters are out there in droves, just just jumping on this bandwagon. And I say to these people, Okay, if you want to eliminate Discovery from Star Trek Cannon, you do realize that Strange New Worlds has to take a plunge as well, because Captain Pike and Number one and Spock, we're all featured on Discovery, and if Discovery's not there, they're not there either, and by context, neither is ts because it was made clear to us on Discovery that Captain Pike through a flashback is the same Captain Pike that Jeffrey Hunter was. You remove him from Cannon, and the whole canon thing anyways, is just a bunch of garbage if you ask me, so, Yeah, I agree with you, Eric, it was I don't know why they did it.

1:35:57 I don't know what I mean, right, Like, that's possible. That was refusing as well. For Jim why TGS Genesis season seven, episode nineteen, that was the d Involved War. Yep, yep, But I mean that. It was not, but it was. But it was undone, right, So it wasn't an alternate reality, but it was ultimately undone, much in the same way the Voyager folks devolving into salamanders was eventually undone. So the corollary here is that they are undoing the Klingons by doing this. I mean, I agree with you, Jim, But I'm just saying that, like, the argument that the haters are putting forward is based on the fact that this is a confusing inclusion in this episode that actually didn't add to anything except maybe a little bit of like what Paul calls just the like factor, you know, the like, Oh I've seen that before. That's fun, and that's about it.

1:37:00 Yeah. Absolutely, And I actually I think it David is the one who brought it up in our in our chat earlier, David, right, didn't Are you the one that brought that up? Yes, he did, I think Yeah, I think so. I think it was David that brought that up. I mean, I will admit that I had such an emotional reaction to this that a friend of mine posted something about it online and I kind of went after him and I felt really guilty about it, and I apologized to him that was like, Okay, I see what you're saying, dude, and I'm sorry that I was so mean. About well, you know, I personally me, I think that the Klingons and Discovery were awesome, and I think it's a disgrace that they ignored them and that they backpedaled and bowed down to fan pressure, yes, and removed him completely and went back to what fans are comfortable with, because God forbid, we challenged the fans.

1:37:59 You know, I wanted Discovery Klingons in Strange New World so badly. We should have been according to the timeline. And but Paramount, you know, bent down to the pressure and didn't want to challenge the fans and make them think outside the box or anything like that. Yeah, so this is where we we find ourselves, gentlemen. And this is gonna just I hate to be the one to tell you, but it's just, you know, with the with the recent rulings of Zuckerberg on Facebook, this stuff is just gonna get worse and worse and worse because we now live in an era where, unfortunately, fans don't just become fans of something. They think that they're collaborators with an equal voice as much as the creators of a show. And we've been seeing this since, you know then ascent of like shows like Lost and The Star Trek, the sequel trilogy, you know, like when Phantom Menace can Phantom Menace?

1:39:01 Uh? What the hell is the first one with Star Wars? What am i? What am I? Saying, right, not Rise of Skywalker. I can't remember the name of the you know what I'm. Saying that it was. I mean, I mean the most recent trilogy, right, but yeah, course Awaken Forgetable is the Internet and the people and the comment thing and the opinions and the hating. Oh my god, it's just the worst, right, and we're just it. It's gonna get worse and worse. Because if this was the year that The Star Trek the Motion Picture came out, imagine when Star Trek the Motion Picture came out and we've got our first look that what we now take for granted as the ridged head you know, Klingons that became a next gen people would freak out so bad they would they would have never shown up again. They would have insisted that they look like they do on uh on old school you know Bonanza original series maker the shoe.

1:40:08 Polish, mustache Klingons. I mean, it's just, it's just and this is just the era we live in, right is Unfortunately the inmates are in charge of the asylum. But isn't this like The thing that upsets me the most about it is that it feels irresponsible of Paramount because certainly, folks at Paramount follow the Internet, right, That's exactly what you're saying. They they see what's out there, and rather than do something to bring fans together, they specifically did something that they had to know was gonna split them apart. Even more like, this reaction is not surprising for all the reasons that we were just talking.

1:40:50 Yeah, I don't look to Paramount to make good decisions. I don't. I don't think they've made decisions in you know, well over a decade. I just don't. I think that they They have good concepts and they mean well sometimes, but I think they hire very poorly, especially when it comes to like the writing people, right, And I don't think it's a consistent vision. And I think that they they when a show's starting to you know, function on all cylinders and do really, well, what does Paramount do? They cancel it, right, and they and they green light things that are just not that I think any focused group would tell you it's just like not worth pursuing or certainly not worth spending you know, umptying million dollars on.

1:41:38 So but yeah, it's just it's not not surprised. I mean, it's the same mentality people that get down on you know, discovery in general. Right, they're very right wing, they're very haiti, they don't like minorities, they're pro genocide wink, you know. You know, yeah, problem with what I'm saying. You know, you can feel free to drop dead, would be my advice to you. We'll leave a message for us on our. We'll leave a message on truck talk dot com using the chat butt and address it to Paul. How much you hate Paul? Yeah, I would say feel. Free to drop dead. If you disagree with me, it would be you know, this is my own two cents. Shall we move on to a more positive and enlightening and exciting news story. Do we have time?

1:42:21 Please? Yeah? Sorry, I got I see you, I see thanks buddy, Thanks. I see you. I concur I'm super I'm not going to be able to hide my enthusiasm for this story coming up next because it's a great lead into the future of this podcast. So I'm very excited. But here's the thing. Star Trek Through the Wrath of Khan was recently named to the National Film Registry, and we have the reaction from writer director Nicholas Myers. Okay, Nicholas Meyer excuse me. That's been driving me crazy all week. So the Star Trek film franchises has at least thirteen releases spanning from nineteen seventy nine to twenty sixteen, but there is one film often held up as the best of the genre, nineteen eighty two Star Trek to the Wrath of Khan, and the film picked up another major accolade being named as one of the movies added to the National Film Registry for Preservation by the Library of Congress.

1:43:28 Amazing, not that Congress, we don't like them. Films added to the Registry are chosen due to their cultural, historic, and esthetic importance to preserve the nation's film heritage. We're talking cinema people with the capital C cinema. Submissions for consideration can be made by members of the public, and this year there were over sixty seven hundred entries, one of which was Star Trek to the Wrath of Khan. Stephen Leggett of the Library of Congress National Audio Visual Conservation Set said, we picked Wrath of Khan in part because it is generally considered the best of the theatrical releases in the series. The film also received significant support in public nominations. Five of this year's films added to the Registry were also being highlighted for the reflecting Hispanic artists and culture, and this includes Wrath of Khan. Because of Khan right from the announcement, one of the selections with strong public nominations this year started through the Wrath of Khan features the Mexican American actor at Ricardo Montalban as the main antagonist of the film. Being named to the National Film Registry is just the latest honor for the film, which was also nominated for a Hugo Award in nineteen eighty three, named after Hugo Gernsback of Course, as well as eight Saturn Awards, with William Shatner winning the Best Actor and Nicholas Meyer winning for Best Director.

1:44:50 Over the decades, Wrath of Khan has often been held up as a standard for both the Star Trek franchise and beyond, with Ricardo Montalban's Khan Nonian Singh considered one of the greatest movie villains of all time. The film has become iconic, influencing pop culture and remaining relevant to this day. Amages to the film have appeared across media, including Seinfeld and even this year in Deadpool and Wolverine. Okay, it's a great story. It's super exciting. We love this right, It's awesome, and it's wonderful to know that it'll be preserved for you know, beyond all of our lifetimes and the film registry, right because film preservation is important. But even more important, as Jim mentioned at the beginning of the podcast, we now know that this legendary, iconic writer director, Nicholas Meyer is gonna be our guest on this show on the first week of February, February sixth.

1:45:48 It blows my mind. For my money, this is the best guest that's ever been on the show. Okay. I don't know that we've ever had a writer director of this level of this is iluminary. Okay. This guy is a writer first and also a kick ass director. But he wrote the novel The Seven Percent Solution, Okay, that was ultimately turned into like another motion picture as well. He's also the man responsible for writing and directing Star Trek six The Undiscovered Country. Sorry Jim, but even better than Star Trek five.

1:46:29 Go there. Now, come on, I'm just saying, you say. Nicholas Meyer, I met what could Nicholas Meyer have done with the premise of Star Trek five. I can't even imagine have to ask him that. It's just he gets there. But four and six, I mean, he's just amazing, amazing storyteller, absolutely, I mean two and six amazing. I think he had a lot to do with the script on four as well, if I'm not mistaken, I think he contributed quite a bit to that. But I'm just a huge fan because of his He's one of the great living Sherlock Holmes experts ever, Okay, I mean, he just knows everything and has contributed to the Holmes legacy, and well, we'll talk about it with him when he's on the show. He wrote and had a huge amount to do with The Day After when The Day After was on. I don't know a lot of people maybe.

1:47:16 Here that's still I still have like that so super. Nick Meyer directed The Day After. In the writing, it's really really great, a ton of cool things. I don't know, if you know, The Night that Panicked America. It was a really really great uh you know, just you know, a story about the war of the World's rockcast, right, really really cool. But for me, one of my favorite movies of all time is Nicholas meyer Is. He wrote and directed Time after Time with Malcolm McDowell and David Warner, one of the coolest, most uplifting and exciting old school science fiction movies of all time. If you've never seen Time after Time, it is just absolutely a fundamental classic.

1:48:04 I absolutely think it's just remarkable. And I can't wait to have the opportunity to talk to Nicole Smier about that film and Star Trek and anything else he wants to talk to us about, because the man is great. I'm so thrilled Jim got him. Well. He also was a science consultant on season one of Star Trek Discovery. That's right, get that. That's right. I forgot about that. Yeah, it's done so much man too, so h yeah, because he's a fan. I mean, I want to find out what are your favorite episodes of Star Trek. You know, Nicholas, what do you what are the ones that really you know, obviously you know Space Seed has got to be in there, But I just want to hear you, just to get him for the whole show, unfiltered and candid and talking about his life and his creations. I'm just like, man, what a what a treat. I mean, that's going to be the best interviews ever on video.

1:48:52 I don't know if it'll be as good as Lauren's lucking Bill. I mean, you know, well, you know. Was an amazing guest. I'm sure he was an amazing guest, you know. I mean, I I love pizza, I love hamburgers, I love champagne. I love a lot of different things, and the equally we're all on the same pl equally, Yeah, exactly, Champagne and cheeseburgers. You can't be but yeah, I'm just that's that's a that's a hell of a get man. And uh, we just keep getting better and mostly we get great guests on the show. Well, Nick, while we're talking about it, I have reached out to Todd Stashwick, the dip ship from Chicago, and uh, I'm negotiating to get him on the podcast and it's looking good. I've also reached out to Leonardie Moy's uh son Adam, and he's interested in coming on and chatting with us about his legendary father for those of you who don't know, that would be mister Spock. I also have reached out to Kate Mouldrew and hopefully, you know, we'll get that worked out too. So I got a lot, a lot going on, a lot of it.

1:49:55 And dude, you got Tim Russ next week. Let's not devalue Tim Russ just because I'm fan fan gushing about Nicholas Meyer. Tim rust is amazing. I mean, I'm not the phenomenal get to have him on the show. He's just outstanding. So I cannot wait to hear him. I I just know he's gonna bust loose. I can't wait to get him in there. That's gonna be great. He seems like he seems like somebody who you're really gonna have fun with, Paul, because I think he's gonna respond well to your humor and like your edginess and stuff. I think that's gonna be great. I'm not edie, what are you talking about? Well, and don't forget guys that trowing the show once. Come on, I mean there's like that, you know, Yeah, But no, he's just I've seen a couple of interviews with him and he just seems really, you know, easygoing and funny, and he just he's I don't think he filters himself very much. I think he just says what's on his mind.

1:50:48 Right, and and. He's gonna he's gonna be He's gonna have a lot to say. I just whind him up and turn him lose. Man. I can't wait. So listen, guys. I said it at the top of the show, and I'll say it again at the bottom of the show. Head over to truck Talking dot Com, Little Blue Talkback Mike in the bottom right hand corner. Leave Paul a message and tell him how much you love him and how awesome he is. You can also leave a question Nick Meyer or Tim Russ and we will play your question live on the air and get an answered for you. So please head over to treuk Talking dot Com talk back Mike bottom right hand corner.

1:51:31 Leave us a message, leave Tim Russ a message, leave Nick Meyer a message, and we'll make sure to play it on the show for them. Well, guys, it's hard to believe, but we've gone through another show yet again. Wow, where does the time go? I feel like we're in some time vortex or something, you know, like an MCU thing going on. Anyways, No, there was a lot of fun, had a lot of fun, as we always and it's not gonna. Be long, right, We only got a couple of weeks until the section thirty one shows comes on. That's this month, right, we'll be talking about that soon too. Yeah, you know, unless if you guys want to, we could do a live watch. We could all watch it together here live.

1:52:18 If we wanted to do that, let's talk about it. I think, talk about it with Scotty here with my engineer and see how we can make that out. But at any rate, it's time to go. What a lot of fun we had. We got a great stuff coming up for you guys in the future. So even though there's not a lot of new Star Trek coming on, there's a lot of reasons to hang out here with us at Trek talking because we've got a lot of great stuff planned for you guys. We're gonna bring back Comic Corner, We're gonna we might bring back Book Nook. I've got a lot of guest stars planned. And let's not forget fan films. We're gonna be We're gonna be covering a lot of fan films as well. And with our new format, it's great because we can show the fan film right here on the screen. We can all watch it together and talk about it. So that's it, guys, I mean, most excellent hosts, Uncle Jim, and I want to take a moment to say thank you so much to Eric for hanging out and Trek talking with us tonight.

1:53:13 Thank you so much, Eric, Absolutely, gent's always a good time hanging out with y'all. And I want to say thank you to Paul as well for hanging out and Trek talking with us tonight. It was a lot of fun, Paul, thank. You absolutely, And to all the folks involved in producing and creating Star Trek in any capacity currently that live in the Los Angeles area, stay safe and our best wishes to you. I hope you get through this and can only imagine what it's like. But Hank tough and we're with you. Yeah. Denise Crosby lost her house, Tashi are and I put a post up on our Facebook page about that she lost everything, so will go out to her. And of course I got to say thank you, thank you so much to David, my mister Scotti, my engineer, my miracle worker. Thank you so much David for joining us tonight and all the work you do on the podcast.

1:54:08 Yeah, it's really fun. I'm really Tooper excited about next week. I can't wait to see what kind of flight shows we can do with those. So we'll see. Yeah, we'll get together and make it happen. And of course, thank you so much to Charles for hanging out in Trek Talker. Thank you so much to. Talking about it. Absolutely was and I'm your most excellent host, Uncle Jim. Please everybody stay safe and be good to each other. Remember Star Trek fans are the best fans. Thank you for being a fan. Hailing frequencies are prosper. Good night, everybody, good night at all. Niel, All stations ready for departure, Sir, some problem RC, just hoping this isn't the usual way of missions will go, sir.

1:54:59 Oh no, no, well I'm sure most will be. Much more interesting. Let's see what's out there. Engage the warp course friendship okay, and we gotta wait till something