Jan. 10, 2025

Episode 617- Lower Decks "The New Next Generation" review

Episode 617- Lower Decks "The New Next Generation" review

EPISODE 617 - Uncle Jim and his Treksperts review Lower Deck series finale and discuss: 

- The final episode of Lower Decks was a significant moment for fans.
- Community engagement is vital for the success of the podcast.
- Ethical dilemmas in Star...

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Season 4 Star Trek Lower Decks

EPISODE 617 - Uncle Jim and his Treksperts review Lower Deck series finale and discuss:

  • The final episode of Lower Decks was a significant moment for fans.
  • Community engagement is vital for the success of the podcast.
  • Ethical dilemmas in Star Trek provoke deep discussions among fans..
  • Fan shout outs create a sense of belonging and connection.
  • Star Trek continues to be a global phenomenon that unites fans.
  • Character development is crucial in storytelling within the Star Trek universe.
  • The podcast encourages listeners to participate and share their thoughts.
  • The ending of Lower Decks opens the door for future storytelling opportunities. Comedy is subjective, and opinions on episodes vary.
  • The rift plot felt dragged out but worked for the finale
  • Fans had mixed reactions to the finale's pacing.
  • The finale included many callbacks to previous episodes.
  • The hosts appreciated the humor in the episode.
  • The character of Captain Freeman showed growth throughout the series.
  • The Star Trek Defiant comic continues Rolaren's story.
  • Star Trek Discovery remains part of the canon despite rumors.
  • Lower Decks has complicated the fan perception of Discovery.
  • Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan is now preserved in the National Film Registry.
  • Nicholas Meyer is a significant figure in Star Trek history.
  • The debate over canon often leads to division among fans.
  • Discovery Klingons were a bold choice that faced backlash.
  • Future podcast episodes will feature notable guests.
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about the series. I'm coming to the services. Now we

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talk about the series. Cows love this shone.

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Now Well, good evening, Trekkies and Trekkers around the globe.

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It it's Thursday, January ninth, twenty twenty five, and that

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means we are live, and that means trek Talking is

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beaming out right now, Episode six hundred and seventeen. How'm

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me you most excellent hosts, Uncle Jim coming from frozen

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Tundra of Vermont, and I do mean frozen tundra. It

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is cold up here right now, and wow, cold would

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be an improvement. Let me just leave it at that.

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We're gonna be talking about the final episode, the end

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of Star Trek Lower Decks tonight, the next the new

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next generation, so you definitely want to stick around for that.

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But before we get too far, I'd like to introduce

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to you my awesome, my incredible, my out of the

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world Truk Spurts, and we're going to start out in

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a part of the country that's hopefully not too cold

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right now. We're going to swing all the way out

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to Las Vegas and say hello to Charles Jim.

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It's a little chili here, but it's not down cold.

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So it did feel did feel a little cold this

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morning with the wind in the forties in my morning walk.

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Oh I would I would die for the forties. That's

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that's swimming weather right there. And uh, we're gonna shoot

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out to Portland, where I have my trifecta, my hat trick,

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my triple play. And we'll start off with mister Scotti himself. David.

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How you doing tonight, David?

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Pretty good? I got a plate full of oranges?

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Oh man, good. They're not mold the old oranges, are they?

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Some of them are to be you stay away from those.

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And we also want to walk back. Welcome back from

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Portland as well our very own toy guy, Paul. Welcome back.

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Paul. Hey, Jim did to be back.

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Yeah, we missed you. We missed your buddy, but we're

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glad you're back. And last, but not least, also from Portland,

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because I hear it something in the water is our

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very own Eric. How you doing tonight, Eric?

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I'm doing all right, Jim. You know, fresh off my

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trip to Smick Nick five and just landed a few

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minutes ago. I had to clean some of that goo

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off of me, but I'm ready to do the podcast now.

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It's gonna be a fun one as always. You guys

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can find all of our episodes at trek Talking dot com.

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a month. Come on, what more can you ask for? Awesome?

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All right, and without any further ado, I'm going to

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turn things over to Eric, and Eric is going to

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do our fan shout outs. But before I do that,

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our polls, all that stuff comes from our Facebook page. Well, actually,

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them out there, because unfortunately the Facebook AI is still

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being a royal pain in the ass. So I've started

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reach five hundred followers, I will get that link out

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and while you're there you can tell us where you're from.

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So now I will turn things over to Eric. Take

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it away, Eric, Dad Jim.

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Our first fan shout out this week goes out to

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top fan Ilonka Liska, who's saying hello to us from Yulik, Germany.

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Sounds like a wonderful place. Thanks Alanka for supporting our

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podcast right there in the heart of Europe. We're also

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saying hello this week to Sylvia Pavlakovich, who's saying hello

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to us from Croatian giving us a thumbs up, and

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we say thumbs up right back to you. Thanks very much.

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Top fan Raj Segal is also listening to us today,

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saying greetings from New Delhi, India, which I understand is

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like the second largest city on the planet or something

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like that. That's amazing, REGGI, thank you so much for

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listening to us in that amazing place. And last on

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my list, I'm saying hello and thank you so much

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this week to Alan Norris, who is from Barry Not

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the Island in South Wales. Charles, I'm going.

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To start up with a very special shout out. I'm

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gonna shout out to all those from southern California and

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those dealing with the fires. I've got a lot of

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quite a few friends on Facebook and I know there's

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a lot going on down there, so good wishes to

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you guys and stay safe. As for fans, let's welcome

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Donna Cole from Indiana. Welcome Donna. Welcome Bobby Trehillo from

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hell Paso, Texas. I hope that's near El Paso, Texas. Hey,

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Welcome to Misty Mercer from Illinois. Welcome, Misty, spend a

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lot of time in your state back a year decades ago.

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And welcome to Hondo Murray from Omaha, Nebraska. A Hondo,

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I bet I heard some jokes.

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On that one.

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David, who's on your list?

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Yeah? I would like to say welcome and thank you

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for listening to top fan Alex Nuyan from Minnesota, USA.

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And next on the list is Raojika Adraschi from Truth

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or consequencey, New Mexico, USA. Next on the list is

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James A. McNair from Florida, USA. And last time my list,

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there's a welcome and thank you all for listening, is

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Christopher Back from Indiana, USA. Paul, who's on your list?

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Thanks?

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David.

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Always nice to remind ourselves that's Star Trek and science

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fiction is a global phenomena that unites people across every

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single continent and Let's have some evidence of that here,

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beginning with top fan, our good friend Bartek Grovsky of Census,

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Greetings all the way from Poland. Wonderful to hear from me, Bartek.

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Hope things are well over there. I know the winters

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in Europe can be relatively severe. Not that far away

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from Poland, we move over to Croatia, where our good

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buddy Zelko Mihalievich is saying hello to us as well.

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I hope you are doing well, Zelko and enjoying whatever

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Star Trek you are savoring these days. We've got the

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wonderful land of Denmark, an incredible place to hang your hat,

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and we have top fans that live in Denmark as well,

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including Sore and Rasmussen. Soora and wonderful to hear from you,

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and thanks for being a fan and letting us know

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that Star Trek enthusiasm is something to help keep you

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warm during those cold Danish nights. And finally, on my list,

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we've got greetings from Budapest, Hungary, blowing us a kiss.

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There.

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It's Andrea Wagner Kovaks. So Andrea, it is wonderful to

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hear from you, and it's a great reminder that cross

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the entire globe. There's something that unites us all that

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we can all take comver it. So great stuff and

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thank you all for listening and being fans. Onward to

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Uncle Jim.

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Yes, I've got a couple of top fans on my

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list as well, Paul. We want to say thank you

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to top fan Anthony Flower, who says hi from the UK.

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We also want to say hello and thank you to

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Benry Benny Hogelsen from Sweeden and Jared Bryn from Tippery, Ireland.

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And last but not least, top fan Evett Richer from

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South Africa who sends us a dolphin. And thank you

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so much to each and every one of you guys.

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We could never do the show without you. And remember

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Star Trek fans are the best fans. Thank you very

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much for being a fan. For those of you who

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are watching this on our YouTube channel or you subscribe

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to our Patreon and you're getting the video feed and

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not just the audio feed, if you might notice all

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these awesome pictures that are strolling by you right now,

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there's my wife at our truck talking table, right now,

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there's me with my batlift, and a minute ago Eric

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was there and these are all fan photos that were

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putting up during our fan shout outs. So if you'd

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like to see yourself not only featured, but you'd like

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to see your picture right there on the screen as

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a fan, please visit our Trick Talking page and send

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us your pictures so not only will we read your name,

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but we'll see your picture right there on the fan

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shout outs. And without any further ado, it's time for

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us to move on to our pole section.

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You know me like no Wind, but you thought about

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the show, then we try.

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Just share your.

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Opinions with all of our minions out there, because hey, listen,

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worldwid so tell us just what you think. Get together

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we will all dream Canara and robylin Ale.

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And I gotta say, Eric, I just you just did

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a phenomenal job on that song. Every time I hear it,

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I love it even more.

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It was super fun to make. Let me tell you so.

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As I said, right now, you can find our polls

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on our Facebook page, but I'm putting them on Tumbler

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and I'm trying to get them also on Blue Sky,

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So that's where you can find our polls for now.

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And Eric, you want to dive in and get us started.

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Yeah, Our first poll this week is about a fantastic

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episode of Next Generation. In the TNG episode I Borg,

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Picard had the opportunity to destroy the Borg and save

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countless lives, but decided not to commit genocide. Do you

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agree with his decision? And seventy five percent of our

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listeners absolutely agree with Pikar's decision, But twenty five percent

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of our listeners did not agree with Picard's decision. And

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I think that's pretty interesting. You know, my take on

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this is, I'm with Picard, man, it's never okay to

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commit genocide.

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But you know, I don't know. What do you guys think? Well,

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were we able to capture people's political affiliations who answered

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this question? Possibly your pro genocide? Maybe, I don't know,

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Gosh might reveal a certain cultural predilection. I'm not sure. Yeah,

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I just sit here.

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Potentially true, I don't know. What do you guys think?

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What do the rest of you think about this? Do

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you agree with Picard?

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Well, if you remember of the episode, Picard was already

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to pull the trigger and wipe them all out, and

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until Guyning came and said, Yo, dude, come down and

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meet this guy. He's pretty cool. We'll go out and

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party with him, and then Picard changed his mind. So

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I think that once Picard saw that he was an

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individual and not just a mindless drone, that help them

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change his mind. Yeah, But up to that point, if

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you remember, he was ready to pull the trigger.

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I mean, we've seen a lot of storytelling that goes

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down similar themes across Star Trek, right, I mean the

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way you know, initially with O'Brien and the Kardassians. Right,

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we've seen that same plimb of the thing. I think

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a lot of times they the idea is to show

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that you may not start out having it, but you

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listening and communing with your friends. Right, I think that

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making your own decisions. But it's always good to check

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have seven of nine and all this stuff. Never would

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have happened. So I think he made the right choice.

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the right choice absolutely, And like Paul said, this is

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just another example of once you get to know your enemy,

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you know they're not really your enemy anymore. You know,

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you just look at them as a faceless, mindless enemy,

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it's easy to be cruel and heartless and destructive. But

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once you get to know them, it changes the equation

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the Card in this particular episode. When he met Hugh

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that he was an individual as much as a murdering

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boar drone, he kind of changed his mind. But of

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when he was the cutest. You would have thought he

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would have remembered that anyways.

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didn't have independence, whereas the whereas Hugh was separated from

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Seasons after the best of both worlds.

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Yeah, much much later. So seventy five percent of our

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fans agreed that Picard made the right choice. What are

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the trucks furts things? I think he made the right choice.

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Uh, you know, many outweighed the few.

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Show yea complete least all agree genocide. Okay, maybe we

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can sort of you know, I know it's a really complex,

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you know idea to you know, swallow in the twenty

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first century, but I'm willing to commit to it.

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something fun out there because I've been asking all these

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deep ethical moral questions, so I thought, let's just have

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some fun, Jim. So that's where this one came from.

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This was just Uncle Jim having some fun. So what

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fun question did Uncle Jim throw at us this week. Eric.

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In the Enterprise episode Carbon Creek, when Paul tells the

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and inventing Velcrow, was she telling the truth or just

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telling a story? And seventy seven percent of our listeners

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said yes, of course it was true, but twenty three

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percent said that it wasn't true. And of course we

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Have been true.

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Right. Well, at the end when she says to them

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it was just a story, so she wasn't at the end, well, no,

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if she's telling the story, she's you know, she never

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said that it was the truth. She just told them

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a story. It was kind of you know.

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she take out Volcrow from like a object?

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out and showed it to everybody. Like I said, it's

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just a fun question. This is you know, I just

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wanted to throw something out there and have some fun

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with Star Trek. That's why I threw it out there,

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because I think that's a great episode actually, and you know,

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the way the camera moves in on her at the end.

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you know, and Tripp says, oh, I don't believe that,

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and the cameras rooms in on her and cuts away,

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and I swear to God, if Vulcans could wink, she

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It was just a great moment and it kind of

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left that ambiguous. But personally I would like to believe

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that it is true myself. Yeah, I agree, you know,

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it makes for a fun story. You know. Actually, what

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about you, Charles? You agree with the fans? Do you

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think it was true or was it was just a yard?

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I think it did happen.

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How about you, David?

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I think it happened. It actually added another layer to

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our reality to the show.

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Paul was telling the truth. Yea, her grandmother watched. I

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love Lucy who did. That's just the way that's true.

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I have spoken, Oh wait, across the genre here, So

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that that's that's our pole questions for this week. Guys.

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I'll have some more. I have a bunch posted up there.

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Now you guys can find them on Instagram, tumbler. If

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you can find our new Trek talking page on Facebook,

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you can find them there as well. And yeah, so

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now we're going to go on to our cadet.

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We on the bog blow your shields and lego ships.

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We will add to biological technological distinctiveness to our own.

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Your culture will adapt to services resistance.

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And this is a fun part of the podcast because

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this is where Charles gets to go back and go

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through the entire plethora of Star Trek and let you

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guys know, of some episodes you can watch it relate

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directly to this one.

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And this is the one here.

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I did not mention any of the Federation ships. I'm

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going to leave that for the conversation. But I love

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the comment wake me up when Kyle's returns again. Of course,

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that's referenced to TNG's Rightful Air season six, episode thirteen

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with Kyle's returned. This is a fun one. I think

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Eric will appreciate this one. The Schrodinger possible field sure

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sounds to remind me of the infinite improbability drive back

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from the Hitchhiker's Guide of the Galaxy in that series.

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But they were passing through so many different dimensions that

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reminded me of that story.

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I mean, this episode was just chock full of and

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that was.

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A Voyagers barge of the dead. Remember that ship that

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appeared and was lost came from Voyager's Barge to the

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Dead Season six, episode three, n G's Genesis Season seven,

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episode nineteen, where we get to see what a deevolved

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you klingon look like when Warf started to change back

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into de evolving into his past. Voyager's Deadlock Season two,

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episode twenty, when we get two versions of the same

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ship when the ship splits in two in Voyager, they

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end up with two different ships. DS nine Emissary Part two,

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Season one, so two when we move a space station,

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I mean when you move a space station next to

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a new wormhole, Lord X Moist vessel. You had to

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be careful to catch this one. But this was season

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one episode four, the return of Lieutenant J. G. O'Connell.

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Back in season four, we had a character ascend. Well,

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he came back, showed up in sick Bay. Another one

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you had to be careful to catch. Tng subrosa, Stop

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giggling guys. Season seven, episode fourteen, dealing with the ghost candle.

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Now you're talking, Charles, let go, I know Paul.

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Wanted to candle tg gee All good things. Season seven,

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episode twenty six, when when the show ends with a

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game of poker, and in that poker game, I love

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this one. Lower Decks Crisis point two Paradox, Season three,

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episode eight the Chuch the chot Shoo Dan shirt. One

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of the poker players was wearing one. It was great

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to see that shirt showing back up.

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That's right.

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But man, so many fun references in this season finale,

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especially those last few scenes. You just had to watch

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it as they they popped in there. But ah, I wonder.

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They did it.

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They came quick, they quick. I really wonder what the

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fans thought about this.

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Well, I can tell you that one of our fans,

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Tyler young Bloods, said that it's a shame the series

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is ending so soon. The best Star Trek show since

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the nineties early two thousands. Scott Klayman said, I mean

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five seasons is a decent run. Eddie Pasa, a top contributor,

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said that was dot dot dot beautiful. Don't cry because

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it was just positive and lovely and all the wonderfulness

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this show is. This episode is a celebration of everything

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the show was, is and could have been. Mike McMahon

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and company sent us out on one of the ultimate

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high notes, stocked with enough gravity, emotion, and laughs to

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keep this show even keeled and a source of joy.

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All of our heroes got really cool endings, to be fair,

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but I had especially high hopes for Boimler that were fulfilled.

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One of the best series endings of all the TV

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shows I've watched over my lifetime, and not because it's

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lower decks. It's a hug from the creative crew to us,

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and it is received with a more bitter than sweet

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happiness and lots of appreciation. One complaint though, did anyone

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notice that the episode description said season finale where lots

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of wild stuff happens. Why would they do that to us?

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It's a mini spoiler, mini spoiler. Gilman Wong said, Holy crap,

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I don't believe how they tied in all the random

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elements that had been sprinkled throughout the season. I'm a

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lore Ioli Starbase eighty. I just wish the Bagoons could

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have made another appearance. Thanks Gilmen. Mike Bartel said, Harel

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and Alonso on starbas eighty Heart, they get to spend

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more time together and oversee missions to the alternate universes,

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Din Ransom of the USS Siritos to Anna meowing as

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she hugs Carol goodbye. Mike loved. Tyler slayde Homer, A

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Top Contributors said, did everyone see Rikers, Titan and Worse's enterprise?

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Worf's enterprise?

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I love it.

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Tyler Blackwell said, open ended about as I expected. Definitely

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felt rushed, and it's clear whatever the episode was originally,

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it wasn't ever intended to be the series finale. It

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does function well as a season finale, which admittedly is

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what McMahon said he was going for. Hanji Boss said, Wow,

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that was one of the best finales I've seen on

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TV ever, not just an animation. Love this show. So

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grateful for the crew and cast for giving Treky such

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a profoundly comforting show over the years. I'm left smiling

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even writing this. They really stuck the landing on this finale.

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If I had to pick a favorite moment, it would

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be the ending montage with Mariner's speech, which is crazy

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because I really dislike montage as usually, but there are

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so many moments in the episode that were just incredibly

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well done ten out of ten. Also, I'm torn between

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three things for favorite line in this amazing finale. Science

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best ease is one. Yeah, I did get mad and

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set my bed on fire, and of course Ransom's new

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saying engage the core. Thanks Anjie. Mark Lopez said, I

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was expecting more. Too much time was spent on the Klingons.

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Last week's episode was so much better, and why couldn't

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it have changed into the NX one. I swear they

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have something against showing that ship. Mark J. Lim, a

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top contributor, said, one of my favorite parts was when

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one of the Klingon ships turned into the Disco Klingons.

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I think that was a person, not a ship, but yes,

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Mark agreed. Steve Ramos, top contributor, said that after the

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credits scene with Tendy and Rutherford was so hot dopamine inhibitor. Indeed,

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thanks Steve. And last but not least, Amanda Nicole said,

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all hands brace for weird. This is my new Trek catchphrase. Well,

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Mariner's speech started out my ugly crying, but engaged the

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core started my simultaneous uncontrollable laughing. So I'm pretty sure

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I just pulled something for a season finale that had

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to become a series finale. I think they really did

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a great job. It feels wrapped up in the way

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tg DS nine and Voyager felt wrapped up. The story

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is complete, but also ready for the next story. And

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uh this week gens. We have a fan score for

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this episode of an extremely solid nine point seven. I

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believe that that averages up to a ten.

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Wow.

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Wow, fans really liked that episode.

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We're rounding up now and I love it. Well.

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I did that for you, Paul.

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Wow, we got a lot.

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I don't think you're gonna be doing my taxes anytime soon, Eric,

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00:28:53.440 --> 00:28:55.440
but it'll all work out. It's fine.

464
00:28:55.880 --> 00:28:57.799
We had a lot of deathibles for your last week

465
00:28:57.839 --> 00:29:00.519
when you weren't here. Apologies but well.

466
00:29:00.440 --> 00:29:03.880
Thought out and reason too real clear clip.

467
00:29:04.640 --> 00:29:07.599
Sorry I missed decimal negotiation.

468
00:29:07.480 --> 00:29:09.960
Eric, Eric threw some decimals in just for you.

469
00:29:11.519 --> 00:29:13.960
Well, you know you can't have everything right, It's true.

470
00:29:14.720 --> 00:29:17.119
So Paul, since you weren't here last week, you want

471
00:29:17.160 --> 00:29:18.599
to start us off with this episode?

472
00:29:19.519 --> 00:29:19.759
Sure?

473
00:29:20.000 --> 00:29:23.319
Sure, I mean we've already done you know, a bit

474
00:29:23.359 --> 00:29:27.119
of a you know, kind of quasi sideways recap with

475
00:29:27.240 --> 00:29:29.039
good at training, but you know, it's good to sort of,

476
00:29:29.240 --> 00:29:32.000
you know, go over some of the high points in

477
00:29:32.039 --> 00:29:34.039
the episode, right, just to sort of remind folks that

478
00:29:34.160 --> 00:29:36.519
was going on. And I swear to God if you

479
00:29:36.680 --> 00:29:38.759
say my target is ugly, I will kill you where

480
00:29:38.759 --> 00:29:44.480
you stand. But a brief opening scene we meet the

481
00:29:44.559 --> 00:29:47.640
great character of Relga, who's a great name, right, who

482
00:29:47.839 --> 00:29:51.480
is running into that reality warping fisher from last week's episode, right,

483
00:29:51.519 --> 00:29:53.720
And then we're quickly back in the bar with our

484
00:29:53.920 --> 00:29:59.319
main characters getting caught up on stuff. Boims is continuing

485
00:29:59.359 --> 00:30:02.960
to obsess over his pad, which becomes a huge plot element, right,

486
00:30:03.559 --> 00:30:06.200
and a lot of technobabble going on, as we've already

487
00:30:06.240 --> 00:30:08.680
talked about there between t Len and Tendee, and there's

488
00:30:08.720 --> 00:30:10.839
something wrong with the rout the part. He's very complaining

489
00:30:10.920 --> 00:30:14.839
that his tech is not up to his advanced cybernetic standards.

490
00:30:15.480 --> 00:30:18.680
And then Boe has this freak out over this warning

491
00:30:18.799 --> 00:30:22.559
from his transporter, Twins sending him and he's trying to

492
00:30:22.640 --> 00:30:25.559
convince the captain that things are really bad, and she

493
00:30:25.640 --> 00:30:28.480
believes him right away, and Starfleet commands says, yeah, we agree.

494
00:30:28.599 --> 00:30:32.559
All of reality is about to be destroyed. Sorry, don't

495
00:30:32.640 --> 00:30:34.400
you know, don't bother that. I will wash your hands.

496
00:30:36.640 --> 00:30:38.640
And then the rift is surrounded by a field that

497
00:30:38.720 --> 00:30:42.240
can transform you into all kinds of different multiverse things

498
00:30:42.440 --> 00:30:44.720
like giving you a cactus for a head or whatever.

499
00:30:44.799 --> 00:30:47.200
It might be. Right, But they have a fix for

500
00:30:47.279 --> 00:30:50.079
the rift is to shoot it with a gluonic beam

501
00:30:50.359 --> 00:30:53.200
because it doesn't love a good blast of gluons, right,

502
00:30:54.000 --> 00:30:56.640
And there's some kind of a shield work around thing

503
00:30:56.720 --> 00:31:00.599
that goes on. But you know, of course there's no

504
00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:05.559
other ships conveniently nearby. It's just up the serellas that

505
00:31:05.599 --> 00:31:09.279
come in there and do that. Call it fighter entanglement.

506
00:31:09.480 --> 00:31:12.359
This is your mission, right, So that's kind of the

507
00:31:12.440 --> 00:31:12.920
deal there.

508
00:31:13.160 --> 00:31:13.720
And then.

509
00:31:15.559 --> 00:31:21.960
We've got Maa's ma I think, right, who's attacked by Relga, right,

510
00:31:22.200 --> 00:31:25.200
and she's using the destruction of her earlier ship as

511
00:31:25.240 --> 00:31:26.680
a pretense for revenge.

512
00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:26.960
Right.

513
00:31:27.119 --> 00:31:30.119
And then Malor, who just looks like he's wandered in

514
00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:32.160
from a fish concert. I love that guy.

515
00:31:32.359 --> 00:31:32.519
Right.

516
00:31:33.799 --> 00:31:37.759
He basically warps them over to the Crethos for asylum,

517
00:31:38.079 --> 00:31:40.680
ignoring his brother, right. And then they're trying to do

518
00:31:40.839 --> 00:31:42.960
a lot of reconfiguring of the ship in a really

519
00:31:43.000 --> 00:31:45.920
short amount of time to help with all the quantum nonsense,

520
00:31:46.200 --> 00:31:51.240
and may or may not involve the hull, and you know,

521
00:31:51.279 --> 00:31:54.240
there's a lot of negotiating going on with Relga trying

522
00:31:54.279 --> 00:31:57.480
to things work out, a little micro targ that's yapping

523
00:31:57.519 --> 00:31:58.039
the whole time.

524
00:31:59.519 --> 00:32:00.039
But then.

525
00:32:01.440 --> 00:32:03.880
They're trying to figure out where Malor is and Relga

526
00:32:03.960 --> 00:32:06.680
ignores all the good things that Captain Freeman's done, and

527
00:32:06.839 --> 00:32:10.880
it's just this whole nonsensical thing of attacks and the

528
00:32:10.960 --> 00:32:13.000
Sorito's trying to get out of there, and then they

529
00:32:13.119 --> 00:32:16.720
end up at the Schrodinger possibility field, and this is

530
00:32:16.759 --> 00:32:18.480
where we start this whole thing that I know a

531
00:32:18.480 --> 00:32:21.400
lot of people enjoyed, right of the Soritos transforming into

532
00:32:21.440 --> 00:32:24.599
different ships that we recognize, because what's better than recognizing

533
00:32:24.680 --> 00:32:28.039
something you've seen before. And then Relga's fleet shows up

534
00:32:28.160 --> 00:32:30.960
right and the whole thing happens where the Klingon ship

535
00:32:31.000 --> 00:32:33.079
turns it into some old barge and there we go,

536
00:32:33.279 --> 00:32:36.880
We've seen that before. There the Soritos engines cut out

537
00:32:36.920 --> 00:32:38.480
and they're kind of dead in space. At the mercy

538
00:32:38.519 --> 00:32:42.680
of the Klingons and then Relga threatens the board the ship,

539
00:32:44.160 --> 00:32:46.119
and there's a lot to keep track of. Is this

540
00:32:46.240 --> 00:32:49.359
plot just keeps, you know, carraming around back and forth. Right,

541
00:32:50.440 --> 00:32:54.599
Boemler ends up destroying his pad, right, breaking it in

542
00:32:54.680 --> 00:32:59.240
half to show solidarity with Mariner, right, because it turns

543
00:32:59.279 --> 00:33:03.160
out she was right. And Ransom knows who actually did

544
00:33:04.480 --> 00:33:09.400
hide mallor right, and it was Ransom because he did it.

545
00:33:09.519 --> 00:33:12.000
He was just thought there was something wrong with Admiral

546
00:33:12.039 --> 00:33:15.200
Freeman's you know, you know, follow orders message and he

547
00:33:15.319 --> 00:33:18.480
was right because it was all bs right. And I

548
00:33:18.519 --> 00:33:21.599
think Kaishan probably said it best Jenza when the truth

549
00:33:21.720 --> 00:33:24.160
was uncovered. All right, love that guy. I mean, that's

550
00:33:24.160 --> 00:33:27.440
a character I will definitely miss. So they're still kind

551
00:33:27.480 --> 00:33:32.279
of at the mercy of the Klingons. But then whatever

552
00:33:32.359 --> 00:33:35.319
her name is, Olympia Ali whatever, she's out there on

553
00:33:35.400 --> 00:33:38.680
the ship with her magical deity powers, and she's able

554
00:33:38.759 --> 00:33:41.640
to use her demigogue powers to get rid of the

555
00:33:41.680 --> 00:33:45.160
Klingons shielding, leaving them exposed to be devolved into the

556
00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:49.680
crazy proto Klingons that Charles mentioned earlier. So there's a

557
00:33:49.680 --> 00:33:53.920
lot of infighting and her flagship is quickly destroyed, destroyed,

558
00:33:54.000 --> 00:33:58.839
And then this whole thing of the ship just changing

559
00:33:58.960 --> 00:34:01.720
from one class to another to another to another, and

560
00:34:01.839 --> 00:34:05.039
I'm just like, I know folks like that kind of thing,

561
00:34:05.119 --> 00:34:07.119
but man, it just is to me, is just like

562
00:34:07.279 --> 00:34:12.519
way tedious. I prefer storytelling as opposed to you know, yatzi,

563
00:34:13.159 --> 00:34:18.599
but that's just me. And then Rutherford has this kind

564
00:34:18.639 --> 00:34:20.840
of epiphany moment where he realized that having an old

565
00:34:20.840 --> 00:34:23.920
ship is just what they need. Is he basically tears

566
00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:27.320
off his incompatible eyepiece and reconfigures the ship to power

567
00:34:27.360 --> 00:34:30.039
them back up, and this really cool eleventh hour kind

568
00:34:30.079 --> 00:34:33.360
of maneuver and they're able to destroy the storm, but

569
00:34:33.480 --> 00:34:36.960
somehow the ship is split up into two different halves

570
00:34:37.079 --> 00:34:41.719
if I'm remembering this right. And then Tendy and to

571
00:34:41.840 --> 00:34:44.280
lend to this whole science besties thing, which makes me

572
00:34:44.320 --> 00:34:47.440
think this was written by somebody in their late twenties maybe,

573
00:34:47.599 --> 00:34:51.239
and I'm not sure. And the Critos finally makes it

574
00:34:51.280 --> 00:34:52.679
to the rift and they ready to close it for

575
00:34:53.320 --> 00:34:56.880
good by firing glue on beam, but that doesn't work

576
00:34:56.960 --> 00:35:00.159
for some reason, right, and then Malora shows up up

577
00:35:00.199 --> 00:35:02.920
and says something about rivers and farms and dams, which

578
00:35:03.159 --> 00:35:07.360
makes marin Or leap into action and do something to

579
00:35:07.440 --> 00:35:11.639
reconfigure the beam that just seemed very spontaneous, and the

580
00:35:11.800 --> 00:35:14.880
rift stops doing its thing and stabilizes and turns into

581
00:35:14.880 --> 00:35:18.440
a permanently open gateway, a deep space nine wor a

582
00:35:18.519 --> 00:35:23.000
whole effect, if you will. So as a token of appreciation,

583
00:35:23.159 --> 00:35:28.480
Ma is given Rugg's fleet and he's kind of promoted right,

584
00:35:28.639 --> 00:35:32.480
and they move Starbase eighty bringing that thing back right

585
00:35:32.599 --> 00:35:35.440
to hang out at the gateway with Captain Freeman and

586
00:35:35.519 --> 00:35:38.760
her Admiral Hubby in charge of exploring strange new realities.

587
00:35:38.880 --> 00:35:42.880
And then in a pretty decent final scene, we got

588
00:35:43.079 --> 00:35:45.440
we're back into the bar, because it's pretty much, you know,

589
00:35:45.800 --> 00:35:48.599
damn near every episode right lower decks should end in

590
00:35:48.679 --> 00:35:54.800
the bar, and we've got Rutherford all d implanted and

591
00:35:54.800 --> 00:35:56.880
he has nothing on here, and everyone seems to think

592
00:35:56.920 --> 00:36:01.719
that that is a great improvement for him. And Beckett

593
00:36:01.800 --> 00:36:06.360
does this kind of inspirational voiceover montage right talking about

594
00:36:06.519 --> 00:36:09.599
all the Cerritos being a mishmash of people and various

595
00:36:09.639 --> 00:36:13.440
creatures and cultures that don't fit anywhere else. And then

596
00:36:13.519 --> 00:36:16.599
I think we close it out. I thought that one

597
00:36:16.599 --> 00:36:19.039
of the funnier bits is, you know, Ransom being in charge,

598
00:36:19.119 --> 00:36:22.239
which is just hilarious, right because of his Ransom being

599
00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:26.719
Ransom and his first act of being captain is to

600
00:36:26.920 --> 00:36:31.639
make Mariner and Boemler co provisional first officers, kind of

601
00:36:33.039 --> 00:36:35.519
echoing what was done with to Lynn and Tendy a

602
00:36:35.599 --> 00:36:38.159
couple of episodes ago. Right, So we've got that whole

603
00:36:38.239 --> 00:36:41.360
dynamic there. Again, it's a competition, you'll work it out,

604
00:36:42.519 --> 00:36:44.360
but you're in charge of the lower decks now. So

605
00:36:44.719 --> 00:36:46.960
it's the kind of thing where, yes, the series is over,

606
00:36:47.119 --> 00:36:48.920
I think it is over. I don't think anyone is

607
00:36:48.960 --> 00:36:51.639
picking this up, is where it seems at this point,

608
00:36:51.800 --> 00:36:54.440
or I think they would have. But it's one of

609
00:36:54.480 --> 00:36:58.079
those things that they do, similarly with the vibe that

610
00:36:58.159 --> 00:37:00.239
we just had on Prodigy, right where it's just like, Okay,

611
00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:04.760
we're done with the story, but it's open enough that

612
00:37:04.920 --> 00:37:07.760
other forms of media could still tell other stories, right

613
00:37:07.840 --> 00:37:12.039
if somebody down the road wanted to do another show

614
00:37:12.199 --> 00:37:14.480
like this, or to continue it on in like the

615
00:37:14.559 --> 00:37:17.280
comics format, you know, whatever it may be. But once

616
00:37:17.760 --> 00:37:20.960
the show is over, though, and the cast separates, it's

617
00:37:21.079 --> 00:37:23.599
notoriously hard to get everyone back together again, right, because

618
00:37:23.599 --> 00:37:25.440
people get other jobs, they get out of the work,

619
00:37:25.519 --> 00:37:28.719
and they move on. So if they haven't picked it

620
00:37:28.800 --> 00:37:31.320
up by now to move over to like some other platform,

621
00:37:31.440 --> 00:37:33.519
I don't see that happening. And then it just seems

622
00:37:33.559 --> 00:37:36.880
like there's such chaos over at Paramount these days. I

623
00:37:37.079 --> 00:37:40.559
just don't think that they could pull anything off in

624
00:37:40.679 --> 00:37:45.320
a you know, relatively go aeron fashion so long and

625
00:37:45.440 --> 00:37:48.800
complicated recap, but I think that we, you know, got

626
00:37:48.840 --> 00:37:52.679
a sense to really understand, you know, what people wanted

627
00:37:53.400 --> 00:37:55.559
to say for everybody knew at this point this was

628
00:37:55.599 --> 00:37:57.000
going to be the finomenon, right, and I think they

629
00:37:57.079 --> 00:37:59.519
really tried to do a lot of give all the

630
00:37:59.639 --> 00:38:02.280
character is a nice moment in terms of, you know,

631
00:38:02.519 --> 00:38:04.599
making a pleasing dismount for the audience.

632
00:38:04.760 --> 00:38:04.920
You know.

633
00:38:06.159 --> 00:38:09.199
I think there's always going to be particular people's favorites

634
00:38:09.280 --> 00:38:11.000
they could have done more with. I would have liked

635
00:38:11.000 --> 00:38:14.000
to have seen a little bit more with Doctor Donna

636
00:38:14.199 --> 00:38:16.920
and Shacks. I think that would have been great. It

637
00:38:17.079 --> 00:38:18.880
was like a little bit more to Lin. I thought

638
00:38:18.920 --> 00:38:21.880
she was really on a great arc this season, and

639
00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:23.880
then they kind of just dropped it, you know, and

640
00:38:24.000 --> 00:38:28.039
she just kind of became you know, co pilot characters

641
00:38:28.440 --> 00:38:31.079
with tend right, So I don't know what happened to her,

642
00:38:31.159 --> 00:38:33.280
but I felt like they kind of dropped the ball

643
00:38:33.320 --> 00:38:36.559
a bit there. So I mean entertaining and fun definitely

644
00:38:36.599 --> 00:38:38.480
not I wouldn't rank it among the best Lower Decks

645
00:38:38.519 --> 00:38:41.639
episodes for me, you know, But like I said, comedy

646
00:38:41.679 --> 00:38:44.800
is super subject subjective, and a lot of times the

647
00:38:44.840 --> 00:38:47.559
show likes to get more sentimental and poignant in its

648
00:38:47.559 --> 00:38:50.800
efforts to have brought its appeal than just stick to comedy, right,

649
00:38:50.920 --> 00:38:53.960
So it's got that side as well. But overall, I

650
00:38:54.000 --> 00:38:57.960
think a pretty fitting end of the series. It was

651
00:38:58.000 --> 00:39:00.559
a weird the whole rift thing. It was kind of

652
00:39:00.559 --> 00:39:02.760
a weird plot to drag on for the entire ten

653
00:39:02.840 --> 00:39:04.559
episodes of this season. I don't know if it really

654
00:39:04.719 --> 00:39:09.559
justified having it be a continuing, you know, interconnecting plot

655
00:39:09.679 --> 00:39:11.960
like that, but it was all right. I'm just you know,

656
00:39:14.719 --> 00:39:16.320
it's what they chose to do, and I think they've

657
00:39:16.440 --> 00:39:19.400
given that decision for storytelling. I thought it ended up

658
00:39:19.920 --> 00:39:21.280
working for the finale pretty well.

659
00:39:21.320 --> 00:39:29.199
I've given an eight solid Well it's not it's not

660
00:39:29.320 --> 00:39:31.920
a bad eight point one, eight point two, just a

661
00:39:31.960 --> 00:39:33.960
straight eight I'm sorry.

662
00:39:34.079 --> 00:39:34.800
Was that other thing you said?

663
00:39:34.800 --> 00:39:35.119
I didn't.

664
00:39:35.119 --> 00:39:41.559
I didn't recognize that point something he could not, So

665
00:39:41.639 --> 00:39:44.239
I believe in committing right. It's just like I don't waffle.

666
00:39:44.719 --> 00:39:44.880
You know.

667
00:39:45.079 --> 00:39:48.039
This is like, you know, like Empire magazine, you know,

668
00:39:48.159 --> 00:39:48.800
one through five.

669
00:39:52.400 --> 00:39:55.559
Oh all right, David, you want to jump in here next, buddy,

670
00:39:56.119 --> 00:39:57.519
mister Scotty.

671
00:39:58.519 --> 00:40:04.760
Okay, Uh yeah. I enjoyed this episode, and I think

672
00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:08.920
we gotta coick something that one of the fans said

673
00:40:09.039 --> 00:40:11.880
that the favorite parts was when one of the ship

674
00:40:12.000 --> 00:40:16.119
turned into a clean On disco ship. Uh, that actually

675
00:40:16.159 --> 00:40:18.679
did happen. It wasn't just actually an alien it or

676
00:40:18.760 --> 00:40:20.960
to clean On character. It was actually the entire ship

677
00:40:21.000 --> 00:40:23.360
that turned into it. I just wanted to bring that up.

678
00:40:23.440 --> 00:40:27.960
But I actually did enjoy the ship's changing quite a bit,

679
00:40:28.119 --> 00:40:32.559
especially that ship. I really liked the design of the

680
00:40:32.679 --> 00:40:34.719
new clean On bo to play, even though it's not

681
00:40:34.880 --> 00:40:37.559
technically called that, but it's I don't know, it's got

682
00:40:37.599 --> 00:40:40.360
a nice little sleek design to it. I enjoyed it.

683
00:40:41.760 --> 00:40:45.679
Other than that, this episode, I do have to agree

684
00:40:45.719 --> 00:40:49.599
it wasn't the best, But like I said in last

685
00:40:49.719 --> 00:40:52.840
week's episode, it did feel like it was rushed a

686
00:40:52.880 --> 00:41:00.280
little bit, and I felt that this whole thing, the

687
00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:06.159
portal now being permanently open wound the time that what

688
00:41:06.559 --> 00:41:11.079
Wharf was in charge of the enterpe? Is that correct?

689
00:41:11.360 --> 00:41:12.800
Or would Picard still.

690
00:41:14.239 --> 00:41:17.960
Because huh no, I think I do think that what

691
00:41:18.079 --> 00:41:20.519
our fans said about it being Wharf's enterprise. I mean,

692
00:41:20.599 --> 00:41:22.480
we don't know for sure because it hasn't been shown

693
00:41:22.519 --> 00:41:26.079
in Cannon, but there have been suggestions that, like by

694
00:41:26.239 --> 00:41:30.440
this point, you know, perhaps Picard's not the one behind

695
00:41:30.519 --> 00:41:35.519
the captain c anymore. You know, there was the Titan,

696
00:41:35.719 --> 00:41:38.719
so we know that you know rankers there, but like

697
00:41:38.840 --> 00:41:41.639
not on the Enterprise, so you know it's either Percard

698
00:41:41.719 --> 00:41:43.039
or it's somebody else captaining the E.

699
00:41:43.599 --> 00:41:46.960
So yeah, and the fact that actually showed the Enterprise

700
00:41:47.079 --> 00:41:49.519
E being there, I was like, wow, okay, are we

701
00:41:49.599 --> 00:41:53.079
going to see Picard here soon? But nope, tadly but

702
00:41:53.440 --> 00:41:57.400
uh yeah, so I enjoyed it. It would fun. I

703
00:41:57.480 --> 00:42:00.800
did like a lot of the comments that fan made,

704
00:42:00.920 --> 00:42:05.559
especially like those the different lines that they forgot what

705
00:42:05.800 --> 00:42:10.400
the person's name was, but he's saying something like hungily boss.

706
00:42:10.480 --> 00:42:12.519
I think he said that. I think it was him.

707
00:42:13.079 --> 00:42:15.840
He were saying that his three favorite lines were you know,

708
00:42:16.079 --> 00:42:20.679
the science, besties and all the other stuff. So to me,

709
00:42:21.639 --> 00:42:26.000
I I did enjoy a lot of the lines that

710
00:42:26.119 --> 00:42:33.039
were shedding this episode. And yeah, it's to me, this

711
00:42:33.239 --> 00:42:36.239
episode still felt rush. To me, I don't know it.

712
00:42:37.199 --> 00:42:40.239
I almost felt like it was worse than last episode,

713
00:42:40.719 --> 00:42:45.960
even though this is a final finale. And to me,

714
00:42:46.159 --> 00:42:49.519
I just I don't know, it just felt rush. I

715
00:42:49.639 --> 00:42:53.679
can't really keep stop saying that for some reason. But yeah,

716
00:42:54.840 --> 00:42:57.519
I did enjoy the line though when they finally got

717
00:42:57.559 --> 00:43:02.440
turned into a township and Shacks was all excited that

718
00:43:02.679 --> 00:43:04.760
weapons are gonna be great and all of a sudden

719
00:43:04.800 --> 00:43:06.719
you're like, no, they're.

720
00:43:06.599 --> 00:43:10.280
Down, Like we've got amazing weapons, weapons are down.

721
00:43:12.280 --> 00:43:12.920
Check the core.

722
00:43:15.719 --> 00:43:18.719
So yeah, uh, there were quite a few funny stuff.

723
00:43:18.840 --> 00:43:26.360
So also that tiny, tiny little Cleanton dog. Did anyone

724
00:43:26.400 --> 00:43:28.000
else think that looks like a shuaha?

725
00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:30.159
Yeah?

726
00:43:30.199 --> 00:43:32.880
It was like a stunted targ or something. I don't

727
00:43:32.880 --> 00:43:34.760
know what it was supposed to be, a targ puppy.

728
00:43:34.920 --> 00:43:35.559
I don't even know.

729
00:43:35.719 --> 00:43:37.960
It looked kind of crazy. It had like different sized

730
00:43:38.000 --> 00:43:38.840
eyes and stuff.

731
00:43:39.159 --> 00:43:39.639
It's weird.

732
00:43:40.679 --> 00:43:45.480
Yeah, but overall, you know, it was an interesting plot.

733
00:43:46.559 --> 00:43:49.480
I can't really say it followed like Star Trek Lawyer,

734
00:43:50.719 --> 00:43:58.119
how they're gonna put that permanent portal into from what

735
00:43:59.840 --> 00:44:05.679
the future Star Treks now know as uh, one of

736
00:44:05.760 --> 00:44:08.599
the different dimensions to realities or something like that. So

737
00:44:08.800 --> 00:44:13.760
I don't know. It's just seemed a little too MCU

738
00:44:13.960 --> 00:44:17.840
to me for some reason. So I don't know. It's

739
00:44:17.840 --> 00:44:20.000
an interesting idea. I can say how it worked, but

740
00:44:21.159 --> 00:44:23.159
like I said last week, it got great potential, but

741
00:44:23.400 --> 00:44:24.760
it's just, you know, the more I think about it,

742
00:44:24.840 --> 00:44:26.679
it's like, I don't know, does that really fit with

743
00:44:26.800 --> 00:44:28.559
Star Treks floor. So I don't know.

744
00:44:29.559 --> 00:44:32.679
But overall, yeah, and.

745
00:44:32.719 --> 00:44:38.400
The fact that with the ransom is super strong, but yeah,

746
00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:41.840
other than that, yeah, I don't know. I'm probably gonna

747
00:44:41.880 --> 00:44:44.280
give this episode a seven point five.

748
00:44:45.360 --> 00:44:47.679
Gotta go with the decimal, gotta do it for Paul.

749
00:44:49.239 --> 00:44:54.440
There you Paul, there you go, there's your deciel. Well,

750
00:44:55.079 --> 00:44:57.840
I'm kind of there with David. Actually, I didn't like

751
00:44:58.000 --> 00:45:02.039
the last week. I didn't really like the alternate universe stuff,

752
00:45:02.039 --> 00:45:04.280
and I didn't really care for it in this episode either.

753
00:45:04.800 --> 00:45:08.199
Like David said, it's too much MCU thing. We already

754
00:45:08.280 --> 00:45:12.000
have Carl Or the Guardian of Forever. So do we

755
00:45:12.079 --> 00:45:14.880
really need a giant wormhole that can take you anywhere

756
00:45:14.960 --> 00:45:18.559
and do anything? That? I just I didn't like it.

757
00:45:18.960 --> 00:45:22.119
And if you think about it, like the Romulins, the Klingons,

758
00:45:22.159 --> 00:45:24.239
the Borg, everybody's gonna want to get their hands on

759
00:45:24.360 --> 00:45:27.280
this thing because they can just go through and do

760
00:45:27.400 --> 00:45:29.960
whatever they want and come back with super Borg or

761
00:45:30.400 --> 00:45:34.000
super Romulins or whatever. I just that was the one

762
00:45:34.039 --> 00:45:37.920
part I didn't like. Was this this wormhole to anywhere

763
00:45:38.039 --> 00:45:42.000
type of thing. Yeah, I thought that was really dumb.

764
00:45:42.599 --> 00:45:45.719
But you know, when Boemler starts screaming We're all gonna die,

765
00:45:46.480 --> 00:45:49.440
I lost it. I lost it because I've done that

766
00:45:49.559 --> 00:45:52.920
on an airplane before and it's not very funny. So

767
00:45:53.800 --> 00:45:55.440
I liked it. I enjoyed it. There were a lot

768
00:45:55.440 --> 00:45:59.360
of good character moments in the episode. The Klingon ship

769
00:45:59.480 --> 00:46:01.519
was cool, the new Bird of Prey with the two

770
00:46:01.559 --> 00:46:05.639
wings it was neat, And I love the Klingon brothers.

771
00:46:06.599 --> 00:46:09.440
Malora is walking around eating bugs through the whole episode,

772
00:46:09.480 --> 00:46:12.119
and when he finds out there's a replicator in their quarters,

773
00:46:12.159 --> 00:46:14.480
he's like, oh, they have more than bugs here. So

774
00:46:14.559 --> 00:46:16.480
I thought that was, you know, a neat little line.

775
00:46:16.519 --> 00:46:21.719
I do like those two. I liked the development that

776
00:46:21.840 --> 00:46:25.679
we see in in Boimler, how he smashes the pad

777
00:46:25.760 --> 00:46:28.800
he doesn't need it anymore. And he's got a full beard.

778
00:46:28.920 --> 00:46:29.079
Eric.

779
00:46:29.119 --> 00:46:30.480
I don't know if you if you caught that, but

780
00:46:30.559 --> 00:46:34.280
he's got the full beard. Now. We have talked about

781
00:46:34.320 --> 00:46:36.519
that a couple episodes ago, like would he ever get

782
00:46:36.679 --> 00:46:39.119
the beard? Yep, he did, he got it.

783
00:46:40.559 --> 00:46:42.760
Yeah, and it looks good. And Mariner hates that it

784
00:46:42.840 --> 00:46:43.280
looks good.

785
00:46:43.760 --> 00:46:46.840
Yeah, yeah, And you know they're so good together now.

786
00:46:46.920 --> 00:46:50.159
I think making them co first officers was cool, and

787
00:46:50.280 --> 00:46:53.239
I think that Ransom grew into his captaincy. I think

788
00:46:53.280 --> 00:46:55.039
he's going to be a better captain than we thought

789
00:46:55.119 --> 00:46:58.119
he would have been at the beginning. And of course,

790
00:46:58.440 --> 00:47:01.679
uh Captain Freeman getting the happy ending with her with

791
00:47:01.840 --> 00:47:05.280
her admiral husband was fitting. So I am sad to

792
00:47:05.320 --> 00:47:09.599
see lower decks go, because, as Paul said, when they're

793
00:47:09.719 --> 00:47:12.280
when they're when they're spot on, they are spot on.

794
00:47:12.920 --> 00:47:14.880
I mean, when they do it right, they they do

795
00:47:15.119 --> 00:47:19.159
it right, and when they go astray, they go astray.

796
00:47:19.519 --> 00:47:21.599
For me, this episode was kind of in the middle,

797
00:47:22.159 --> 00:47:24.639
so I'm kinda you know, I'm not I'm kind of

798
00:47:24.719 --> 00:47:27.119
with I'm gonna go with the seven point five in

799
00:47:27.239 --> 00:47:30.320
honor of Paul I was gonna go, I was gonna

800
00:47:30.320 --> 00:47:32.320
go with an eight, but I'm gonna go with a

801
00:47:32.400 --> 00:47:37.639
seven point five, just just for Paul. So who wants

802
00:47:37.719 --> 00:47:39.280
to go next? Charles?

803
00:47:39.480 --> 00:47:39.639
Eric?

804
00:47:40.000 --> 00:47:41.519
Charles Eric? Who wants to jump in?

805
00:47:42.400 --> 00:47:44.559
Charles and with the quad?

806
00:47:46.679 --> 00:47:47.039
Okay?

807
00:47:47.159 --> 00:47:51.079
I surprised David didn't go through this, but I wanted

808
00:47:51.079 --> 00:47:54.320
to go through a few of the notes I love.

809
00:47:54.400 --> 00:47:59.119
I've never really gotten a C but I do like

810
00:47:59.199 --> 00:48:02.679
the innocing look look of a Freedom class ship, a

811
00:48:02.800 --> 00:48:05.239
Freedom class ship. Who we did see the fire of

812
00:48:05.320 --> 00:48:09.079
the Firebrand in Will three five nine with a single

813
00:48:09.239 --> 00:48:12.320
cell in the cell. I thought that was an interesting

814
00:48:12.400 --> 00:48:16.400
looking ship. We got to see a tearan Empire ship,

815
00:48:17.880 --> 00:48:21.360
which I don't get through that the t West version.

816
00:48:21.880 --> 00:48:25.079
I'm thinking that more of the comic book version from

817
00:48:25.199 --> 00:48:30.039
Broken Mirror. In fact, I think somewhere in my collection,

818
00:48:30.159 --> 00:48:34.880
I think I actually have that ship. We've had a

819
00:48:34.960 --> 00:48:38.519
Sovereign class ship, we have no Birth class ship. We

820
00:48:38.599 --> 00:48:41.880
had a Galaxy class ship. We even had a Miranda

821
00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:48.760
class ship similar to the Reliant from con I enjoyed

822
00:48:48.840 --> 00:48:53.440
seeing the different type ships, a couple of couple of

823
00:48:53.559 --> 00:48:57.719
items here. I surprised nobody commented on that I loved

824
00:48:59.039 --> 00:49:05.960
and that was as comments one of hers from quoting.

825
00:49:06.599 --> 00:49:10.320
There has to be some sneaky, underheaded kirkstyle trick we

826
00:49:10.440 --> 00:49:13.440
can use to bleep her up like they did in

827
00:49:13.519 --> 00:49:19.400
the old days. That just had me rolling and then

828
00:49:19.440 --> 00:49:24.559
her second, yeah she is old total and then you

829
00:49:24.639 --> 00:49:27.199
turned I at the end. Could we just save the

830
00:49:27.360 --> 00:49:33.320
bleep in universe? Oh? She had?

831
00:49:34.199 --> 00:49:34.440
Like what?

832
00:49:34.880 --> 00:49:37.639
She had some great lines in there.

833
00:49:44.199 --> 00:49:44.320
Well.

834
00:49:44.360 --> 00:49:46.519
On Charles. One of the things that I'll just comment

835
00:49:46.559 --> 00:49:48.320
on with that is, I think we agreed on a

836
00:49:48.440 --> 00:49:51.280
previous show many weeks ago that one of the funniest

837
00:49:51.320 --> 00:49:55.719
things about about her lines is the fact that they

838
00:49:55.800 --> 00:49:58.920
bleep them. Yeah, that somehow makes them funnier than if

839
00:49:59.000 --> 00:50:02.079
she had actually said the word, which I think is

840
00:50:02.159 --> 00:50:03.760
just brilliant. Like I hope when they put them out

841
00:50:03.800 --> 00:50:06.440
on DVD or whatever that that they will continue to

842
00:50:06.480 --> 00:50:07.000
bleep them.

843
00:50:07.039 --> 00:50:11.559
Because the close caption it actually says the word bleep,

844
00:50:13.199 --> 00:50:16.840
bleep or bleeping. I think they're in their primary because

845
00:50:16.840 --> 00:50:19.719
I think that's the joke, is to have her censor.

846
00:50:22.599 --> 00:50:25.519
I hope we didn't give you too much about Rutterford

847
00:50:25.760 --> 00:50:32.440
and the UH and the implant last week, where we

848
00:50:32.519 --> 00:50:36.880
did say that was something coming up in the episode,

849
00:50:37.000 --> 00:50:39.719
we didn't give you really much detail how it affected

850
00:50:39.760 --> 00:50:46.039
the episode. I'm I interesting that we've got two Lieutenant

851
00:50:46.199 --> 00:50:53.960
JG's as dual first officers and the fact that they're

852
00:50:54.039 --> 00:50:55.800
going to spend some time dealing with some of the

853
00:50:55.920 --> 00:51:03.000
lower deck people. Oh as we sit there and show

854
00:51:03.079 --> 00:51:08.360
on the slide show where Rutterford takes off the implant

855
00:51:09.119 --> 00:51:12.079
and he starts acting like data and speedily putting up

856
00:51:12.119 --> 00:51:16.039
all the chips in there, and I love his idea,

857
00:51:16.280 --> 00:51:22.000
is okay, if we keep switching over, let's have the

858
00:51:22.280 --> 00:51:28.079
warp core actually feed off of the energy coming in

859
00:51:28.360 --> 00:51:34.039
from the multi the not multiverse, but from me.

860
00:51:35.920 --> 00:51:39.400
You're being We're being fueled by interdimensionality itself.

861
00:51:40.360 --> 00:51:44.039
So it's like literally saying, almost like being tapped into

862
00:51:44.159 --> 00:51:48.400
the tartis tap our trap our warp tap our warp

863
00:51:48.440 --> 00:51:52.320
courts are directly like the tartist right into right into

864
00:51:52.360 --> 00:51:58.360
the whole field. And then I like Mariner's idea. It's like, okay,

865
00:51:58.440 --> 00:52:01.360
we can't seem to get the shut and all of

866
00:52:01.400 --> 00:52:03.400
a sudden it's like, Okay, if we can't shut it,

867
00:52:04.119 --> 00:52:08.719
build a dam that holds things back. And it's like,

868
00:52:09.119 --> 00:52:11.119
I'm not sure where she got the idea, but I

869
00:52:11.159 --> 00:52:14.679
thought it was an interesting idea of doing it to

870
00:52:14.840 --> 00:52:19.360
capping it. So we actually had a new wormhole. I'm

871
00:52:19.400 --> 00:52:22.440
not exactly sure who we're gonna end up seeing through

872
00:52:22.480 --> 00:52:24.960
that wormhole. How far are you going to be transfer

873
00:52:25.679 --> 00:52:28.039
but I think it's gonna be a new new study

874
00:52:28.920 --> 00:52:33.840
for the Federation, and Federation probably won't work with other

875
00:52:33.960 --> 00:52:37.199
cultures and doing research just like we do the wormhole,

876
00:52:37.719 --> 00:52:41.440
the Majorian wormhole, and to tell you, different cultures on

877
00:52:41.599 --> 00:52:42.559
both sides.

878
00:52:44.880 --> 00:52:45.840
Never know who we get.

879
00:52:45.960 --> 00:52:54.079
Let's just don't have another dominion war. So I'm going

880
00:52:54.239 --> 00:52:58.559
to agree with the fans on this one, and I'm

881
00:52:58.639 --> 00:53:01.280
gonna give my score the fan score of a nine

882
00:53:01.320 --> 00:53:05.440
point seven. I thought this was a great, great episode

883
00:53:05.440 --> 00:53:06.320
and a great finale.

884
00:53:11.800 --> 00:53:15.960
Yes, well that only leaves you Eric. You get to

885
00:53:16.000 --> 00:53:18.119
bring up the kaboos, buddy. Are you ready?

886
00:53:18.960 --> 00:53:24.599
I am so ready? Absolutely Okay, So let's see runtime

887
00:53:24.760 --> 00:53:28.159
thirty four minutes, so it was longer than most episodes,

888
00:53:29.480 --> 00:53:31.400
and so even though it was super fast paced, it

889
00:53:31.519 --> 00:53:34.199
felt good to me, like, I liked the pace of it,

890
00:53:34.280 --> 00:53:35.840
and I felt like it kind of kept it going

891
00:53:36.000 --> 00:53:38.559
because when you look at episodes, like all good things,

892
00:53:38.599 --> 00:53:41.599
I mean, you do have those contemplative moments of Picard

893
00:53:41.639 --> 00:53:43.559
being old and that sort of stuff. There's also a

894
00:53:43.639 --> 00:53:47.119
ton of action in really good final episodes, and this

895
00:53:47.239 --> 00:53:50.360
had a ton of actions, so I liked that. I

896
00:53:50.480 --> 00:53:53.639
also really liked that they brought Klingons back, and that

897
00:53:53.719 --> 00:53:57.599
they made Relga the main villain of this episode. It

898
00:53:57.639 --> 00:54:02.360
felt very you know, like bringing things back from the

899
00:54:02.480 --> 00:54:04.960
past to work them into the finale was really cool,

900
00:54:05.039 --> 00:54:08.440
and bringing the brothers back to was was great. I

901
00:54:08.599 --> 00:54:10.320
just really liked it. I mean, I think we all

902
00:54:10.559 --> 00:54:14.119
liked episodes like Waste Dooge and the Inner Fight and

903
00:54:14.199 --> 00:54:16.239
Farewell to Farms and all those other ones that the

904
00:54:16.280 --> 00:54:19.039
Klingons were in, So, you know, more Klingons. I don't

905
00:54:19.039 --> 00:54:22.920
think that's a bad thing. I agree with Paul that

906
00:54:23.159 --> 00:54:26.199
they probably aren't going to pick this up for more seasons, Bood.

907
00:54:26.679 --> 00:54:29.920
I don't think it leaves spin offs out of the potential,

908
00:54:30.360 --> 00:54:32.920
you know running. So you know, if we if we

909
00:54:32.960 --> 00:54:35.639
ever got our Klingon spin off, you better believe I'd

910
00:54:35.679 --> 00:54:43.559
be watching Let's see the plot, the overall plot, like

911
00:54:43.679 --> 00:54:47.199
the season long plot of the rifting and the dimensionality

912
00:54:47.239 --> 00:54:49.719
and all that kind of stuff. Totally see what you

913
00:54:49.760 --> 00:54:55.000
guys are saying about multiverse MCU, et cetera. Everybody's a

914
00:54:55.039 --> 00:55:00.519
little bit tired of the thing about different universes and whatnot.

915
00:55:01.400 --> 00:55:04.039
I guess the way I see it is that this

916
00:55:04.280 --> 00:55:07.360
is the only Star Trek that we've gotten that kind

917
00:55:07.400 --> 00:55:12.480
of takes us beyond warp Drive, and so I don't

918
00:55:12.519 --> 00:55:14.719
have a problem with that. I actually like the idea

919
00:55:14.800 --> 00:55:17.280
that it kind of says, Okay, it's not just all

920
00:55:17.360 --> 00:55:19.880
of these people out here that we haven't yet discovered.

921
00:55:19.920 --> 00:55:22.280
It's all these realities that we haven't yet discovered. And

922
00:55:22.440 --> 00:55:25.360
yes they have to defend it from the Romulans and

923
00:55:25.400 --> 00:55:27.559
all this kind of stuff. But remember this is a comedy,

924
00:55:27.760 --> 00:55:31.199
and the comedy is like the comedy. In this episode

925
00:55:31.239 --> 00:55:33.760
I thought was actually pretty good. I thought the jokes

926
00:55:33.800 --> 00:55:37.760
were good, and the recall references and stuff have been

927
00:55:37.800 --> 00:55:39.960
a part of Lower Deck since day one, so if

928
00:55:40.039 --> 00:55:41.599
you like the show, you kind of have to like

929
00:55:41.760 --> 00:55:45.320
the references, at least at a superficial level. So I

930
00:55:45.360 --> 00:55:47.159
didn't mind at all the fact that they sort of

931
00:55:47.280 --> 00:55:50.679
end up with this quantum reality way to get to

932
00:55:50.800 --> 00:55:54.320
different places, and I think it opens up a multiverse

933
00:55:54.360 --> 00:55:58.400
of possibilities, so to speak. So no problem with that.

934
00:56:00.000 --> 00:56:02.519
You know, David's a stickler for cannon, so there's just

935
00:56:03.039 --> 00:56:05.519
especially when it comes to ships. So I just want

936
00:56:05.559 --> 00:56:08.239
to point out that they did miss something here because

937
00:56:08.320 --> 00:56:11.440
her ship was not a bird of prey. It was

938
00:56:11.519 --> 00:56:14.119
a cavort class. It was much much bigger than the

939
00:56:14.159 --> 00:56:17.679
little tiny birds of prey that were flying around the Cerritos.

940
00:56:17.719 --> 00:56:19.199
And you know how her ship was like twice as

941
00:56:19.280 --> 00:56:21.480
big or four times as big, closer to the size

942
00:56:21.519 --> 00:56:24.039
of the cerritos. It's a cavort, it's not a bird

943
00:56:24.079 --> 00:56:30.320
of prey. Not important, But I'm just saying the decision

944
00:56:30.400 --> 00:56:33.039
to move Captain Freeman to Star Bas eighty when in

945
00:56:33.159 --> 00:56:35.840
fact Star Bas eighty had throughout the entire season been

946
00:56:35.920 --> 00:56:38.239
seen as the you know, the most terrible place you

947
00:56:38.280 --> 00:56:40.800
could possibly go, and then we get that one episode

948
00:56:40.840 --> 00:56:44.280
which kind of gets you into the inside of Starbas eighty,

949
00:56:44.920 --> 00:56:47.440
and then the same person was still running it after

950
00:56:47.559 --> 00:56:49.679
they moved it in position. I thought that was a

951
00:56:49.800 --> 00:56:52.719
nice recall and a nice way to kind of send

952
00:56:52.800 --> 00:56:55.239
Freeman off into her next adventure. I think we all

953
00:56:55.440 --> 00:56:57.920
liked Carol Freeman, and I think that she's actually going

954
00:56:58.000 --> 00:57:02.239
to do a fantastic job, you know, running this star base.

955
00:57:02.280 --> 00:57:04.119
I think it needs somebody with a firm hand, but

956
00:57:04.199 --> 00:57:06.719
who also has a heart and like can make good

957
00:57:06.760 --> 00:57:10.599
decisions that maybe don't always follow protocol like most of

958
00:57:10.639 --> 00:57:13.920
our really good Star Trek captains. So I appreciated that

959
00:57:14.039 --> 00:57:17.119
quite a bit. And then Jim mentioned, you know, Ransom

960
00:57:17.440 --> 00:57:21.800
becoming captain. I'm sorry, but Engage the Core is the

961
00:57:22.000 --> 00:57:26.880
absolute best warp thing ever. Like Warp Me never really

962
00:57:27.079 --> 00:57:31.559
resonated with me Engage the Core with Ransom, saying that

963
00:57:32.920 --> 00:57:35.400
it's just part like you can't write it any better

964
00:57:35.440 --> 00:57:39.960
than that. So just fantastic. Him as the captain makes

965
00:57:40.000 --> 00:57:41.800
a lot of sense to me because Ransom is, like,

966
00:57:42.000 --> 00:57:43.760
you know, he kind of comes off as a jock

967
00:57:43.880 --> 00:57:47.280
the whole time, and we all, maybe not all of us,

968
00:57:47.559 --> 00:57:50.360
many of us who are especially nerdy, have this idea

969
00:57:50.400 --> 00:57:54.159
that jocks are kind of like, maybe not as mentally evil.

970
00:57:56.639 --> 00:57:58.679
I know I'm stepping on some toes there, but let

971
00:57:58.760 --> 00:58:01.079
me just say that Ransom has proved over and over

972
00:58:01.159 --> 00:58:03.800
again that he has the ability to lead, that he

973
00:58:03.960 --> 00:58:07.480
has the ability to see the people under his command,

974
00:58:07.920 --> 00:58:10.079
and he has the ability to adjust and kind of

975
00:58:10.159 --> 00:58:13.719
like maintain his own identity, but then also ensure that

976
00:58:13.840 --> 00:58:17.599
people are getting what they need and that they're staying

977
00:58:17.679 --> 00:58:19.559
safe and that sort of stuff. So I love the

978
00:58:19.639 --> 00:58:21.639
fact that they just made him the captain in the end.

979
00:58:21.679 --> 00:58:25.039
I thought that was great. And then, of course I'm

980
00:58:25.079 --> 00:58:28.519
a sucker for anything romantic in these shows, and just

981
00:58:28.679 --> 00:58:32.159
the Rutherford getting a little bit embarrassed by Tendy telling

982
00:58:32.239 --> 00:58:34.159
him that he looks good and his cheeks kind of

983
00:58:34.199 --> 00:58:37.119
turn red and he's just a little like gets a

984
00:58:37.119 --> 00:58:40.920
little soft in the heart about that. I really liked

985
00:58:40.960 --> 00:58:44.559
that because it's it's there's been a tension, but not

986
00:58:44.719 --> 00:58:48.159
like a like a friend tension, not a sexual tension

987
00:58:48.239 --> 00:58:51.199
between the two of them, and I liked the little

988
00:58:51.239 --> 00:58:54.119
bit of acknowledgment of that at the very end of

989
00:58:54.280 --> 00:58:59.800
the series. So just love that. So yeah, I really

990
00:59:00.199 --> 00:59:02.159
like I get a lot of the things that you

991
00:59:02.239 --> 00:59:05.480
guys were saying. Was it a perfect, absolutely perfect ending

992
00:59:05.599 --> 00:59:09.000
to the series. No, but but a lot of our

993
00:59:09.119 --> 00:59:11.800
characters get sent off into great places, I would have

994
00:59:12.000 --> 00:59:13.639
I agree with Paul. I would have liked a little

995
00:59:13.679 --> 00:59:16.119
bit more Shacks. I would have liked a little bit

996
00:59:16.159 --> 00:59:19.679
more Tonna. You know, there's several characters that they could

997
00:59:19.679 --> 00:59:21.159
have fit a little bit more, and I almost feel

998
00:59:21.199 --> 00:59:23.920
like they should have just gone for broke and made

999
00:59:23.960 --> 00:59:26.360
this an hour long episode instead of, you know, stopping

1000
00:59:26.400 --> 00:59:28.119
at thirty four minutes. I mean, they probably could have

1001
00:59:28.320 --> 00:59:30.119
fit in a whole bunch of other stuff, but they

1002
00:59:30.239 --> 00:59:32.800
kept the pace up, which kept it interesting to watch,

1003
00:59:33.480 --> 00:59:35.440
And it was interesting enough that I watched it a

1004
00:59:35.480 --> 00:59:37.639
couple of times. I just you know, I was done

1005
00:59:37.679 --> 00:59:39.199
with it and I was like, shoot, that was pretty good.

1006
00:59:39.199 --> 00:59:44.159
I'm gonna watch it again. So yeah, overall, I have

1007
00:59:44.280 --> 00:59:47.320
to say that I probably liked the comedy and that

1008
00:59:47.440 --> 00:59:50.960
sort of stuff more on the Charles end of things here.

1009
00:59:51.039 --> 00:59:52.800
I don't know if i'd give it a nine point seven,

1010
00:59:52.960 --> 00:59:56.480
but I would say, as finales go, I need to

1011
00:59:56.480 --> 00:59:59.639
give it out. I'm not afraid of these decimals, so

1012
00:59:59.639 --> 01:00:02.599
I'm gonna go it's not quite a nine to me,

1013
01:00:02.760 --> 01:00:04.519
but it's more than an eight. So I'm gonna go

1014
01:00:04.840 --> 01:00:08.280
eight point five. Not afraid to say eight point five

1015
01:00:08.360 --> 01:00:12.119
from me pretty darn good. And I will watch it

1016
01:00:12.159 --> 01:00:13.119
probably a third time.

1017
01:00:13.559 --> 01:00:17.320
Wow, three decimals tonight. That's pretty awesome an honor of

1018
01:00:17.480 --> 01:00:23.159
wall Well. I will say, though, Eric, if you recall

1019
01:00:23.800 --> 01:00:27.639
Season one of Discovery, clearly made it up. You know,

1020
01:00:27.880 --> 01:00:30.400
obvious to us that there are a multi universe in

1021
01:00:30.440 --> 01:00:33.840
Star Trek. If you remember when Stanmt's was jumping around

1022
01:00:33.960 --> 01:00:36.960
the Ship of the Dead and he said, every one

1023
01:00:37.039 --> 01:00:39.519
of these bubbles is a universe. That they set that

1024
01:00:39.679 --> 01:00:42.559
all up already there, but yeah, yeah, yeah.

1025
01:00:42.400 --> 01:00:44.519
No, absolutely, and they and they tell yeah, and it's

1026
01:00:44.880 --> 01:00:47.239
you know, they made a joke about it. Was it

1027
01:00:47.360 --> 01:00:49.960
last week when Harry Kim says, you mean there are

1028
01:00:50.000 --> 01:00:53.360
more than two universes? Yeah, I mean, I that was

1029
01:00:53.519 --> 01:00:56.719
that was a great line, right, because we you figure,

1030
01:00:56.800 --> 01:00:59.840
if if universes are created by decisions, then there must

1031
01:00:59.880 --> 01:01:03.400
be an infinite number of universes because an infinite number

1032
01:01:03.400 --> 01:01:07.280
of decisions have been made. So you know, there's there's

1033
01:01:07.320 --> 01:01:10.039
no math to quite prove that yet, but we'll get there.

1034
01:01:11.280 --> 01:01:13.119
I said that would to kind of build on something

1035
01:01:13.159 --> 01:01:16.239
that David said though. Right, It's like I think that

1036
01:01:17.239 --> 01:01:19.840
you know, because you mentioned the MCU, David, which I

1037
01:01:19.880 --> 01:01:22.559
thought was a really good thing to bring up just

1038
01:01:22.679 --> 01:01:25.400
because not so much of the commonality of you know,

1039
01:01:25.519 --> 01:01:28.000
the choice to do multiverses, right, because that's we've seen

1040
01:01:28.039 --> 01:01:31.039
that around, right, But I think storytelling, why is it

1041
01:01:31.159 --> 01:01:34.159
really shoots you in the foot, right. It's just like,

1042
01:01:34.239 --> 01:01:37.000
as soon as you run into that whole thing, it

1043
01:01:37.199 --> 01:01:39.559
feels like a weird TV trope from like, you know,

1044
01:01:39.840 --> 01:01:42.039
the seventies or something, right where it's just like, you know,

1045
01:01:42.079 --> 01:01:44.800
I mean, I think you saw it really sort of

1046
01:01:44.920 --> 01:01:48.679
evolving like with the first season of like the Loki series.

1047
01:01:48.719 --> 01:01:50.679
I don't know if anybody watched that, right, had a

1048
01:01:50.719 --> 01:01:52.280
couple of good episodes, but it's just like, all of

1049
01:01:52.320 --> 01:01:54.719
a sudden, it's just like, Okay, there's this version of

1050
01:01:54.800 --> 01:01:56.880
you and it's you against you and the three version

1051
01:01:56.920 --> 01:01:58.920
of you, and it's like, you know, mirror you, and

1052
01:01:59.000 --> 01:02:02.159
it's just like it becomes it's really tedious, right, because

1053
01:02:03.079 --> 01:02:06.599
it's like you're either going to have the dynamic where Okay,

1054
01:02:06.960 --> 01:02:10.199
I'm mistaken, identity happens where it's like, Okay, I thought

1055
01:02:10.239 --> 01:02:12.000
it was me, but it's not me, or something like that.

1056
01:02:12.159 --> 01:02:13.119
The audience is confumbed.

1057
01:02:13.119 --> 01:02:14.760
Well, Paul, one of the things we talked about last

1058
01:02:14.800 --> 01:02:18.559
week was that multi The one of one of the

1059
01:02:18.599 --> 01:02:22.440
biggest problems with multiverses is that nothing matters in the

1060
01:02:22.480 --> 01:02:25.360
story anymore, right, is because you can if it can

1061
01:02:25.440 --> 01:02:28.440
happen out there, then it doesn't necessarily affect the characters

1062
01:02:28.480 --> 01:02:32.960
that we've all come to know and nice. But what

1063
01:02:33.039 --> 01:02:36.519
I'll say is that last week's episode, my argument against

1064
01:02:36.599 --> 01:02:40.960
that was that, okay, it was, it happened entirely with

1065
01:02:41.199 --> 01:02:45.400
other universe characters, but the consequences of that story affected

1066
01:02:46.199 --> 01:02:48.440
the universe, you know, the prime universe that we're in,

1067
01:02:48.559 --> 01:02:51.360
affected the characters that we all know and love. And

1068
01:02:51.519 --> 01:02:56.519
so that type of multiverse story I don't mind. And

1069
01:02:57.599 --> 01:03:00.239
also I think that a lot of people like the

1070
01:03:00.360 --> 01:03:04.119
kind of what if you know? And and what if

1071
01:03:04.960 --> 01:03:07.639
is a great way to exp It's a great thing

1072
01:03:07.760 --> 01:03:10.199
to be explored in all of these different universes. You know,

1073
01:03:10.360 --> 01:03:12.599
what if Carol Freeman was a bird, or what if

1074
01:03:12.880 --> 01:03:15.360
you know they were made of cactus heads or stuff.

1075
01:03:16.000 --> 01:03:18.519
I'm not sure that it's enough to sustain an entire

1076
01:03:18.679 --> 01:03:21.440
season or that sort of thing, but but it's enough

1077
01:03:21.519 --> 01:03:24.199
to like be able to say, Okay, it exists, we

1078
01:03:24.280 --> 01:03:27.199
can pop in, we can tell a story in that

1079
01:03:27.360 --> 01:03:30.320
much in the same way that mirror Universe episodes of

1080
01:03:31.400 --> 01:03:34.599
regular Star Trek like affect our other characters, right, you know,

1081
01:03:34.840 --> 01:03:39.440
Deep Space nine mirror Mirror Universe episodes always have main

1082
01:03:39.639 --> 01:03:42.159
characters in them that are affected by the alternate universe.

1083
01:03:42.599 --> 01:03:44.679
If it's a good story, and you know it's not

1084
01:03:44.840 --> 01:03:46.960
just but it's just it just gets so gimmicky, and

1085
01:03:47.000 --> 01:03:48.480
the problem I find it with it, I find it

1086
01:03:48.559 --> 01:03:51.400
really tedious. Right, It's just so seldom is it done

1087
01:03:52.000 --> 01:03:57.639
for a good storytelling reasons. Right, It's just done because

1088
01:03:57.639 --> 01:04:02.880
somebody got some impulsive idea, right, and there's no payoff

1089
01:04:03.000 --> 01:04:04.719
to it. So it's just I just find it very

1090
01:04:05.119 --> 01:04:07.760
difficult to get engaged. And so it's like when when

1091
01:04:07.800 --> 01:04:11.280
you start rotating through like multiple starships, right where it's

1092
01:04:11.320 --> 01:04:13.280
changing it into all these different things. I just I'm

1093
01:04:13.599 --> 01:04:15.800
over here in the Who Cares Camp, I just like

1094
01:04:15.960 --> 01:04:19.119
I'm like, that is just nothing to me, right, It's

1095
01:04:19.199 --> 01:04:21.000
just like, like, you know, I would not ever never

1096
01:04:21.079 --> 01:04:23.119
watch a group of people playing bingo and.

1097
01:04:23.239 --> 01:04:26.320
See for me that was this is completely ridiculous, and

1098
01:04:26.440 --> 01:04:28.800
this is comedy, and so I'm laughing every time the

1099
01:04:28.920 --> 01:04:30.480
thing changes, right, Yeah.

1100
01:04:30.480 --> 01:04:33.239
I'm checking out, man, I'm just checking out. It's just

1101
01:04:33.400 --> 01:04:35.519
just different strokes, different tastes, right, Yep.

1102
01:04:35.840 --> 01:04:38.280
Also, I wanted to bring up the topic of the

1103
01:04:38.360 --> 01:04:42.639
fact that that Huson felt rush wise, they forgot some

1104
01:04:42.960 --> 01:04:47.079
key stories of what lower decks we're going for, like

1105
01:04:47.239 --> 01:04:52.719
that whole secret option, things about what Ruddeford implant would like.

1106
01:04:53.639 --> 01:04:56.360
I mean, they completely get that over that story and

1107
01:04:56.440 --> 01:04:58.440
it just like went straight to this and I was like, ah, man,

1108
01:04:58.480 --> 01:05:01.960
I wanted to see what happened with that. So yeah,

1109
01:05:02.079 --> 01:05:03.599
some of the things like that, it kind of like

1110
01:05:03.920 --> 01:05:05.400
didn't even bother with.

1111
01:05:05.599 --> 01:05:05.960
I would like.

1112
01:05:06.679 --> 01:05:09.039
I also want to throw a comment that I read

1113
01:05:10.280 --> 01:05:16.639
where Carol Friedman she was more of a captain that

1114
01:05:16.960 --> 01:05:20.920
made her own decisions, whereas we get the season. By

1115
01:05:20.960 --> 01:05:24.039
the season finale, she's listening to a lot of her crew,

1116
01:05:24.280 --> 01:05:27.360
a lot of her Bridge members. She's listening to her

1117
01:05:27.440 --> 01:05:33.119
crew for opinions, and she's validating and accepting those opinions,

1118
01:05:34.000 --> 01:05:36.320
which makes her I think a better captain. Was making

1119
01:05:36.360 --> 01:05:37.199
her a better captain.

1120
01:05:40.960 --> 01:05:43.360
Yeah, and Charles, I think that's because of the development

1121
01:05:43.440 --> 01:05:46.400
of her relationship with Mariner over the season. We had

1122
01:05:46.679 --> 01:05:49.239
we had that one episode where they kind of bond

1123
01:05:49.599 --> 01:05:51.480
you know, and I think that was a huge part

1124
01:05:51.519 --> 01:05:54.920
of her becoming a better captain was actually understanding where

1125
01:05:54.960 --> 01:05:57.360
Mariners coming from. And in the same way that Mariner

1126
01:05:57.440 --> 01:06:00.239
grew towards her, she doesn't even to grow towards Mariner.

1127
01:06:03.679 --> 01:06:09.880
So Charles, the fans gave it a nine point sevenation.

1128
01:06:10.199 --> 01:06:13.760
The fans gave a nine point seven, the host gaven

1129
01:06:13.960 --> 01:06:23.880
eight point two. Not well now also bad the season overall,

1130
01:06:25.079 --> 01:06:30.440
the fans given eight point five, the host gaven eight.

1131
01:06:33.320 --> 01:06:36.119
But I took the ad I took. I took the

1132
01:06:37.400 --> 01:06:40.360
ten shows from the fans and from the host and

1133
01:06:40.559 --> 01:06:41.760
got overall score.

1134
01:06:46.000 --> 01:06:51.519
No, not too shabby at all. All right, guys, Well

1135
01:06:51.559 --> 01:06:55.960
that wraps up our review of the series finale of

1136
01:06:56.079 --> 01:06:59.440
Star Trek Lower Decks, unless anybody else wants to add

1137
01:06:59.440 --> 01:07:03.280
anything about our decks before we move on. Okay, so

1138
01:07:03.440 --> 01:07:06.320
now it's time for our birthday shout out.

1139
01:07:23.519 --> 01:07:24.920
That was not a Clinton song.

1140
01:07:25.360 --> 01:07:27.760
God, you gotta love David. He throws in all kinds

1141
01:07:27.760 --> 01:07:30.519
of little surprises. When you, guys, I get to watch

1142
01:07:30.599 --> 01:07:32.480
it on the slide show, you'll see a lot of

1143
01:07:32.519 --> 01:07:35.559
little surprises hop in there from David. All right, guys,

1144
01:07:35.599 --> 01:07:36.719
so this is the part of the show where we

1145
01:07:36.800 --> 01:07:38.519
get to go to our Star Trek birthdays, and we

1146
01:07:38.639 --> 01:07:42.320
always start off our birthdays bye sadly enough, remembering those

1147
01:07:42.400 --> 01:07:45.199
members of our Star Trek family who are no longer

1148
01:07:45.280 --> 01:07:47.840
with us, And for that we turned to Eric.

1149
01:07:48.440 --> 01:07:51.280
Yeah, Jim. This week we're gonna remember seven members of

1150
01:07:51.400 --> 01:07:53.880
our Star Trek community who have gone before us. The

1151
01:07:54.000 --> 01:07:57.760
first is actor William Boyett. He's the actor who played

1152
01:07:57.760 --> 01:08:01.599
Lieutenant Dan Bell in the TNG first season episode The

1153
01:08:01.639 --> 01:08:04.840
Big Goodbye. He also played a policeman in the six

1154
01:08:04.880 --> 01:08:08.679
season episode Times Arrow Part two. But Boyott is probably

1155
01:08:08.760 --> 01:08:12.960
best remembered for his role as Sergeant Mac McDonald on

1156
01:08:13.079 --> 01:08:16.399
the police drama Adam twelve from nineteen sixty eight to

1157
01:08:16.600 --> 01:08:21.039
nineteen seventy five. He also starred in the movie Forbidden Planet,

1158
01:08:21.319 --> 01:08:23.800
which I'm sure you're all familiar with and like as

1159
01:08:23.920 --> 01:08:26.680
much as I do. In seventy one, he appeared with

1160
01:08:26.800 --> 01:08:30.199
Shatner in the movie Vanished, and he also appeared in

1161
01:08:30.279 --> 01:08:33.199
a couple of other movies along the way, including one

1162
01:08:33.279 --> 01:08:38.039
with Terry Farrell called The Deliberate Stranger. William Boyott we

1163
01:08:38.159 --> 01:08:39.680
lost him back in two thousand and four at the

1164
01:08:39.680 --> 01:08:42.279
age of seventy seven years old. Happy birthday to him.

1165
01:08:43.079 --> 01:08:46.039
Happy birthday as well to Jane Ross. She's the actress

1166
01:08:46.239 --> 01:08:49.399
best known for playing to Moon in the TOS second

1167
01:08:49.439 --> 01:08:54.359
season episode The Gamesters of Trescallon. This was her only

1168
01:08:54.760 --> 01:08:58.840
known television acting role. She had previouly previously made an

1169
01:08:58.920 --> 01:09:02.920
uncredited appearance in the classic nineteen fifty seven film The

1170
01:09:02.960 --> 01:09:06.119
Sweet Smell of Success, but uncredited. So does it count?

1171
01:09:06.279 --> 01:09:06.960
Yeah? I think so?

1172
01:09:07.199 --> 01:09:15.000
But not on IMDb in twenty three, despite the rumors

1173
01:09:15.039 --> 01:09:19.399
to the contrary, Jane Ross, her is not a pseudonym

1174
01:09:19.640 --> 01:09:22.800
used by Beatrice Arthur and they were not the same person.

1175
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If you think Jane Ross is that Jane Ross, is

1176
01:09:26.760 --> 01:09:29.399
not that Jane Ross. But this Jane Ross lost way

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01:09:29.439 --> 01:09:31.680
back in nineteen eighty five at the young age of

1178
01:09:31.760 --> 01:09:36.159
fifty three years old. Happy Birthday to her, Happy birthday

1179
01:09:36.159 --> 01:09:41.199
as well to Actor. Alfred Ryder born Alfred Jacob Korn

1180
01:09:41.520 --> 01:09:45.279
was the actor who portrayed Robert Krater in the TOS

1181
01:09:45.399 --> 01:09:49.119
first season episode The Man Trap. He made well over

1182
01:09:49.319 --> 01:09:53.039
one hundred television guest appearances in his career, all the

1183
01:09:53.119 --> 01:09:56.720
classics from the sixties Untouchables, Gun Smoke, Outer Limits, Man

1184
01:09:56.800 --> 01:10:01.800
from Uncle, Mission Impossible, quincy Me All that Stuff. He

1185
01:10:01.960 --> 01:10:04.720
was also in Escape to Which Mountain back in nineteen

1186
01:10:04.840 --> 01:10:09.239
seventy five. Also starred in the cult movie Tracks, which

1187
01:10:09.279 --> 01:10:11.159
I have not seen, but I do know that movie

1188
01:10:11.239 --> 01:10:15.439
has Dean Stockwell in it nineteen seventy six. He retired

1189
01:10:15.479 --> 01:10:19.119
from acting in nineteen eighty and died fifteen years later.

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01:10:19.319 --> 01:10:21.840
Lived a happy, healthy life to the age of seventy

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01:10:21.960 --> 01:10:24.359
nine years old. We lost him back in nineteen ninety five.

1192
01:10:24.439 --> 01:10:29.279
Happy Birthday, Alfred Ryder. Happy Birthday as well to Jeremy Kemp,

1193
01:10:29.840 --> 01:10:33.159
the English actor who portrayed Robert Picard in the Next

1194
01:10:33.199 --> 01:10:38.000
Generation four season episode Family of Course, The brother of JLP.

1195
01:10:38.760 --> 01:10:43.439
He was born Edmund Jeremy James Walker in Chesterfield, Derbyshire,

1196
01:10:43.520 --> 01:10:46.880
and adopted his mother's maiden name as his stage Moniker

1197
01:10:47.520 --> 01:10:51.560
began his career acting in the nineteen fifties and in

1198
01:10:51.680 --> 01:10:54.359
nineteen seventy five guest starred in the sci fi series

1199
01:10:54.640 --> 01:11:00.119
Space nineteen ninety nine in the episode Voyagers Return. His

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01:11:00.239 --> 01:11:04.560
last role was in Conan the Adventures television series, which

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01:11:04.640 --> 01:11:07.720
ran for one season from nineteen ninety seven to nineteen

1202
01:11:07.880 --> 01:11:12.079
ninety eight. Jeremy Kemp lost back in twenty nineteen at

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01:11:12.119 --> 01:11:15.479
the rifled age of eighty four years old. Happy birthday

1204
01:11:15.600 --> 01:11:20.640
to Jeremy, Happy birthday as well to Victor Vic Tayback.

1205
01:11:21.079 --> 01:11:25.680
He's the actor who portrayed Jojo Craco in the TOS

1206
01:11:25.800 --> 01:11:29.279
second season episode A Piece of the Action in nineteen

1207
01:11:29.319 --> 01:11:31.800
sixty six. He also made an uncredited appearance in the

1208
01:11:31.920 --> 01:11:36.520
film's Dead Heat and also on The Merry Go Round.

1209
01:11:37.319 --> 01:11:40.439
During that first season of TJ. Hooker Shatner's show, he

1210
01:11:40.640 --> 01:11:44.920
also guest starred as Lieutenant Pete Benedict and throughout the

1211
01:11:45.000 --> 01:11:48.039
eighties he starred primarily and made for TV movies, but

1212
01:11:48.119 --> 01:11:50.359
he appeared all over the place. I mean, you see

1213
01:11:50.399 --> 01:11:54.439
his face, you recognize it. So we've definitely seen him before.

1214
01:11:54.479 --> 01:11:57.319
And in nineteen eighty nine he actually co starred with

1215
01:11:57.479 --> 01:12:02.399
Robert Piccardo in the comedy lover Boy. This film also

1216
01:12:02.560 --> 01:12:06.039
starred Christy Ally. Somebody else who's a Star Trek alumni.

1217
01:12:06.800 --> 01:12:10.680
So happy birthday to Victor Vic Taybach. Lost back in

1218
01:12:10.840 --> 01:12:16.479
nineteen ninety at sixty years old. Next to last on

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01:12:16.600 --> 01:12:19.159
our list is a member of our Star Trek Committee.

1220
01:12:19.199 --> 01:12:21.479
We lost It feels like just yesterday, but it was

1221
01:12:21.640 --> 01:12:25.840
back in twenty nineteen. Aaron Eisenberg was the actor best

1222
01:12:25.920 --> 01:12:29.680
known for portraying the Ferengi Knog on Deep Space nine,

1223
01:12:29.760 --> 01:12:32.680
and of course he reprised that role in Star Trek

1224
01:12:32.800 --> 01:12:36.399
Online in the season ten mission Time in a Bottle.

1225
01:12:37.000 --> 01:12:42.039
He also played the Kazon Car on Voyagers episode Initiations.

1226
01:12:43.039 --> 01:12:46.000
Eisenberg underwent a kidney transplant when he was a teenager,

1227
01:12:46.119 --> 01:12:50.239
which stunted his growth around five feet, and he made

1228
01:12:50.279 --> 01:12:53.199
his first acting appearance in the nineteen eighty nine movie

1229
01:12:53.640 --> 01:12:57.199
Beverly Hills Brats, in which will Be Goldberg actually also

1230
01:12:57.319 --> 01:13:00.279
made a cameo appearance. He made a hand full of

1231
01:13:00.359 --> 01:13:02.960
movies throughout the nineties, and in nineteen ninety three he

1232
01:13:03.039 --> 01:13:07.840
played alongside Will Wheaton in The Liars Club. He's also

1233
01:13:08.520 --> 01:13:10.479
you know later in his life went on to be

1234
01:13:10.600 --> 01:13:13.760
on the Seventh Rule podcast, which is still going and

1235
01:13:14.239 --> 01:13:18.399
they do a great job of honoring him every year

1236
01:13:19.199 --> 01:13:23.359
to remember his passing. He died unfortunately from heart failure

1237
01:13:23.760 --> 01:13:28.479
back in twenty nineteen, so happy birthday and we miss

1238
01:13:28.560 --> 01:13:31.920
him big time to Aaron Scott. Eisenberg lost at the

1239
01:13:31.960 --> 01:13:36.239
age of fifty years old in twenty nineteen and last

1240
01:13:36.319 --> 01:13:39.479
on My list this week is pro and Charles, did

1241
01:13:39.520 --> 01:13:41.159
you want to say I'm sorry? Did you want to

1242
01:13:41.199 --> 01:13:43.600
say anything about Eisenberg?

1243
01:13:43.680 --> 01:13:43.840
There?

1244
01:13:44.680 --> 01:13:46.479
For those of you that get a chance to see

1245
01:13:46.520 --> 01:13:51.359
our slide presentation, there are two pictures there. You agually

1246
01:13:51.399 --> 01:13:58.439
get to see a picture of knog Lalita and I

1247
01:13:58.520 --> 01:14:02.640
can't think of the father rom You actually get to

1248
01:14:02.680 --> 01:14:08.399
see the three of them with the two guys in makeup. No,

1249
01:14:08.640 --> 01:14:13.600
that wasn't fake makeup. No, that wasn't a special presentation.

1250
01:14:14.159 --> 01:14:18.439
That was a actual Star Trek Las Vegas panel. They

1251
01:14:18.520 --> 01:14:22.760
actually walked on stage in cost in makeup and costume

1252
01:14:23.359 --> 01:14:29.159
to represent their characters. Aaron Eisenberg would be one that

1253
01:14:29.239 --> 01:14:32.520
would show up on day one of the convention and

1254
01:14:32.720 --> 01:14:36.159
if he wasn't doing a panel or something, he was

1255
01:14:36.239 --> 01:14:38.800
in the he was in the dealer's room talking up

1256
01:14:38.840 --> 01:14:42.720
with the fans. I had a great conversation with him.

1257
01:14:42.880 --> 01:14:45.359
We were trying so hard to get him on the show,

1258
01:14:47.199 --> 01:14:49.520
and we lost him before we could succeed on getting

1259
01:14:49.600 --> 01:14:53.880
him on the show. But he was just a fan favorite.

1260
01:14:54.119 --> 01:14:57.279
Anybody would walk up to woman, strike up a conversation

1261
01:14:58.560 --> 01:15:02.399
and really talk the guy which is as friendly as

1262
01:15:02.439 --> 01:15:02.720
could be.

1263
01:15:04.359 --> 01:15:05.760
And he is so missed.

1264
01:15:11.279 --> 01:15:14.479
Yeah, I mean, fantastic actor and the character of Nag

1265
01:15:14.840 --> 01:15:17.760
had such an arc over the course of Deep Space nine.

1266
01:15:17.840 --> 01:15:21.119
Some of my favorite Deep Space nine episodes feature him,

1267
01:15:21.239 --> 01:15:26.159
you know, the siegeed Aar five five eight, the War episode.

1268
01:15:26.199 --> 01:15:28.159
I talk about a lot on this podcast because he

1269
01:15:28.319 --> 01:15:33.319
just really when I saw that. So what per Moon

1270
01:15:33.399 --> 01:15:37.960
is a great one. Yeah, so fantastic actor, and like

1271
01:15:38.119 --> 01:15:40.640
Charles said, we miss him. We miss him very much.

1272
01:15:41.640 --> 01:15:44.239
And last, but not least on my list, one of

1273
01:15:44.319 --> 01:15:48.079
the only people to ever actually play himself on Star Trek,

1274
01:15:48.159 --> 01:15:54.399
Professor Stephen Hawking. He actually played himself in the episode

1275
01:15:54.840 --> 01:15:58.560
All Good Things, alongside other actors who portrayed other famous

1276
01:15:58.760 --> 01:16:04.119
scientists like Sir Isaac Newton and such. Of course, Stephen

1277
01:16:04.159 --> 01:16:09.960
Hawking extremely extremely smart individual. The Chair of Mathematics at

1278
01:16:10.039 --> 01:16:18.359
Cambridge University, he wrote myriad books. He is known for

1279
01:16:18.479 --> 01:16:24.039
his work on mathematics and astronomy. According to the Star

1280
01:16:24.119 --> 01:16:29.600
Trek Encyclopedia says, Hawking developed a quantum theory of gravity,

1281
01:16:29.720 --> 01:16:32.520
in which he sought to link the two major themes

1282
01:16:32.640 --> 01:16:37.720
of physics quantum mechanics and relativity. Hawking also speculated on

1283
01:16:37.760 --> 01:16:44.399
the existence of wormholes and quantum fluctuations, linking multiple universes Honking.

1284
01:16:44.720 --> 01:16:49.079
Hawking's scientific achievements were all the more remarkable because he

1285
01:16:49.239 --> 01:16:52.159
was afflicted with a debilitating neural disease that kept him

1286
01:16:52.199 --> 01:16:55.640
confined to a wheelchair, able to speak only with the

1287
01:16:55.760 --> 01:17:02.640
aid of his speech synthesis computer. Really really remarkable individual

1288
01:17:02.800 --> 01:17:07.239
and to me one of the most inspiring people that

1289
01:17:07.560 --> 01:17:09.920
I never got to meet, but that I really, even

1290
01:17:09.960 --> 01:17:13.039
as a child, looked up to to see this person

1291
01:17:13.079 --> 01:17:15.640
who was so physically limited and yet had a brain

1292
01:17:15.800 --> 01:17:18.920
that was so much bigger and faster and could imagine

1293
01:17:19.000 --> 01:17:22.680
so many more things than your average human being. When

1294
01:17:23.039 --> 01:17:26.439
he showed up on Star Trek, I really lost my boop.

1295
01:17:26.640 --> 01:17:30.079
Like It's like, are you kidding me? He is on

1296
01:17:30.239 --> 01:17:33.159
Start Like the guy that you won on Star Trek

1297
01:17:33.600 --> 01:17:36.479
was on Star Trek playing himself. I really wish that

1298
01:17:36.560 --> 01:17:38.960
I would have gotten to meet him at some point,

1299
01:17:39.039 --> 01:17:43.199
and of course I never did. So Professor Stephen Hawking,

1300
01:17:44.479 --> 01:17:48.159
one of the most remarkable, remarkable individuals in my opinion,

1301
01:17:48.239 --> 01:17:51.399
to ever live, would have had a birthday this week,

1302
01:17:51.600 --> 01:17:55.000
and just think of what he could have done had

1303
01:17:55.039 --> 01:17:57.840
he been able to live longer. So happy birthday to

1304
01:17:58.000 --> 01:18:02.279
Professor Stephen Hawking and gentlemen, that does it for our

1305
01:18:02.399 --> 01:18:07.359
remembrances this week, So I'm going to pass my fleaming birthday, Charles.

1306
01:18:07.960 --> 01:18:11.680
Let's start off the Happy birthday to John Ales, American

1307
01:18:11.840 --> 01:18:16.239
actor who portrayed Bruce Maddox in Charter Percard's first season

1308
01:18:16.319 --> 01:18:23.479
episode Star Dust City Rag. Hey birthday to Anne Magnusson,

1309
01:18:24.159 --> 01:18:29.239
an American actress and musician who played Admiral Kirsten Clancy

1310
01:18:29.800 --> 01:18:33.199
in Star Trek per Card's first season episode Maps and

1311
01:18:33.439 --> 01:18:39.880
Legends and Broken Pieces. Happy birthday to Rachel Emily Nicholas,

1312
01:18:40.520 --> 01:18:43.960
an American actress who appeared as an Orion Starfleet cadet

1313
01:18:44.439 --> 01:18:50.199
Gala in Star Trek two thousand and nine. Happy birthday

1314
01:18:50.239 --> 01:18:54.319
to Carl Tart, actor writer and comedian who voice Lieutenant

1315
01:18:54.439 --> 01:18:58.720
Kashawn in the second, third, and four seasons of Star Trek.

1316
01:18:58.880 --> 01:19:03.279
Lower Decks had some great lines this last episode two.

1317
01:19:04.880 --> 01:19:09.680
Happy birthday to Mark Alan. Shepherd's background performer, actor and

1318
01:19:09.920 --> 01:19:14.279
artist from Rockville Center, New York. Was best known portrayal

1319
01:19:14.720 --> 01:19:20.119
as Mourn in Stir Trip to Space nine, and of

1320
01:19:20.199 --> 01:19:25.479
course we all know what the acronym for Morn was.

1321
01:19:27.159 --> 01:19:31.680
So Happy birthday Mark, and I'll pass this candle over

1322
01:19:31.800 --> 01:19:32.239
to Paul.

1323
01:19:37.600 --> 01:19:40.520
Thank you, Charles, appreciate that. Happy Birthday goes out to

1324
01:19:40.720 --> 01:19:45.560
actress Hallie Todd. Halle is the actress who portrayed Law

1325
01:19:46.479 --> 01:19:50.399
in the Next Generation third season episode The Offspring, one

1326
01:19:50.439 --> 01:19:54.479
of the best Data episodes ever. I would argue, I think,

1327
01:19:54.680 --> 01:19:58.279
really really great. Anybody who's a parent can relate to it,

1328
01:19:58.439 --> 01:20:02.359
and she just did a spectacular job of embodying that

1329
01:20:02.520 --> 01:20:07.319
character and just somebody discovering meaning from being alive. A

1330
01:20:07.439 --> 01:20:11.359
really great performance. So Happy birthday, Hallie Todd. Wonderful job.

1331
01:20:12.399 --> 01:20:16.560
Really excited to be able to say Happy birthday to

1332
01:20:16.680 --> 01:20:22.479
the charismatic and intimidating Clancy Brown, who is absolutely amazing.

1333
01:20:22.680 --> 01:20:26.159
We acknowledge him for his time in Star Trek Enterprise

1334
01:20:27.159 --> 01:20:29.520
on the first season, where he was in an episode

1335
01:20:29.560 --> 01:20:33.520
called Desert Crossing, who played Zoebral in that episode. But

1336
01:20:34.079 --> 01:20:37.000
Clancy Brown's been in damn near everything. I mean, He's

1337
01:20:37.079 --> 01:20:43.720
been in multiple iterations of Star Wars, from the Mandalorian

1338
01:20:43.880 --> 01:20:48.960
Too animated Rogue Rebels series, he was in the original

1339
01:20:49.079 --> 01:20:52.960
Nightmare on Elm Street. He was in Paul Verhoven's Starship Troopers.

1340
01:20:54.199 --> 01:20:58.720
Great work in the Shawshank Redemption and of course, where

1341
01:20:58.920 --> 01:21:03.199
I think America discovered Clancy Brown was in the original

1342
01:21:03.319 --> 01:21:06.960
Highlander picture, all right. I mean, I'm sure folks know

1343
01:21:07.039 --> 01:21:12.319
Highland exactly exactly. I know, I think a lot of

1344
01:21:12.319 --> 01:21:16.119
folks on the show are big Highlander fans. But Clancy

1345
01:21:16.159 --> 01:21:22.279
Brown also does a ridiculous amount of voiceover work. Particularly

1346
01:21:22.359 --> 01:21:26.239
he's all over SpongeBob square Pants. I mean you, he's

1347
01:21:26.319 --> 01:21:28.880
done like I think, close to three hundred episodes. So

1348
01:21:30.199 --> 01:21:36.159
not really really great, very prolific, extremely charismatic and cool individual.

1349
01:21:37.720 --> 01:21:41.560
If Clancy Brown's in it, probably gonna be a good picture,

1350
01:21:41.640 --> 01:21:44.640
would be. My guess chooses his material really really well.

1351
01:21:44.760 --> 01:21:49.920
So we salute you, sir. Happy Birthday in the Happy

1352
01:21:49.960 --> 01:21:53.840
Birthday goes out to Matt Frewer. Okay, Matt Frewer is

1353
01:21:54.159 --> 01:21:57.239
from Washington, d C. And he played the role of

1354
01:21:57.359 --> 01:22:01.000
Berlin hoff Rassmussen. There's a name that you can stick

1355
01:22:01.039 --> 01:22:04.920
in your memory Banks on the Next Generation fifth season

1356
01:22:05.000 --> 01:22:08.199
episode Matter of Time, a very interesting character of course,

1357
01:22:09.680 --> 01:22:12.039
and Uncle Jim, who do we know Matt Frewer as

1358
01:22:12.640 --> 01:22:20.520
being forever associated with Max Headroom exactly exactly kind of

1359
01:22:21.000 --> 01:22:25.640
really embodied eighties visual style really in a lot of ways, right,

1360
01:22:25.720 --> 01:22:28.920
I mean, it's a hard thing to shake. But still

1361
01:22:29.000 --> 01:22:31.119
a lot of other interesting parts in his career as well.

1362
01:22:32.399 --> 01:22:36.119
I seem to remember, if I'm not mistaken, that Matt

1363
01:22:36.159 --> 01:22:40.600
Frew had a really interesting, really cast against type role

1364
01:22:41.399 --> 01:22:46.760
in the Watchman motion picture as well, really really interesting.

1365
01:22:46.960 --> 01:22:48.800
So I'll have to make sure that my memory isn't

1366
01:22:48.840 --> 01:22:52.600
failing me, but I'm remembering that that was Matt Frewerlock.

1367
01:22:52.720 --> 01:22:53.159
Is that what he?

1368
01:22:53.560 --> 01:22:53.800
Yeah?

1369
01:22:54.000 --> 01:22:57.159
Yeah, thank you, brother, Yeah, yeah, you would not think

1370
01:22:57.239 --> 01:22:59.560
that that was the dude that you would cast right

1371
01:22:59.720 --> 01:23:02.119
for for you know, it'd be like for kind of

1372
01:23:02.159 --> 01:23:06.000
a darker, messed up role. But thank you for the

1373
01:23:06.079 --> 01:23:11.039
validation there. I appreciate that. Really really interesting performer. I

1374
01:23:11.159 --> 01:23:13.880
think so very very cool, and I got one of

1375
01:23:13.960 --> 01:23:16.199
my favorites here. I'm lucky enough to have an autographed

1376
01:23:16.279 --> 01:23:22.359
picture of this person in my collection shrine. But I

1377
01:23:22.600 --> 01:23:25.800
like actors have a little bit of an edge to them,

1378
01:23:26.039 --> 01:23:30.279
and I think nobody embodies this characteristic more than the

1379
01:23:30.479 --> 01:23:34.479
absolutely amazing Michelle Forbes Okay, who we know on Star

1380
01:23:34.600 --> 01:23:38.560
Trek of course, for creating character role laren In at

1381
01:23:38.640 --> 01:23:41.159
least eight episodes of Next Generation and the carrying the

1382
01:23:42.199 --> 01:23:47.039
character forward in the third season of Picard, which was

1383
01:23:47.119 --> 01:23:51.399
a real pleasant surprise there, really really cool. She previously

1384
01:23:51.479 --> 01:23:54.479
played a character called Dara in Next Generation fourth season

1385
01:23:54.560 --> 01:24:00.239
episode Half a Life. But a genre veteran who's been

1386
01:24:00.359 --> 01:24:03.880
in tons of cool things. I first saw her in

1387
01:24:05.640 --> 01:24:09.880
a really cool picture called California with a K. California

1388
01:24:09.960 --> 01:24:11.479
with the K, right, if you've seen.

1389
01:24:11.359 --> 01:24:14.840
That with what's his name? The good looking the good

1390
01:24:14.920 --> 01:24:16.199
looking guy with the surf.

1391
01:24:19.439 --> 01:24:25.199
Is that what you're thinking of? No, No, the companies

1392
01:24:25.239 --> 01:24:29.720
in it, but also Brad pitt Is, I think, and

1393
01:24:29.880 --> 01:24:32.640
this the astonishing Juliet Lewis. Isn't that picture as well?

1394
01:24:32.640 --> 01:24:33.680
I remember her. It was just like.

1395
01:24:35.439 --> 01:24:39.319
Yeah, yeah, yeah, she was that as well. She's super talented,

1396
01:24:39.760 --> 01:24:42.840
plays a lot of dark characters. She was in one

1397
01:24:42.840 --> 01:24:44.600
of the Hunger Games pictures, she was in the True

1398
01:24:44.640 --> 01:24:49.199
Blood series or an HBO. But science fiction fans will

1399
01:24:49.399 --> 01:24:52.399
of course know her from her incredible turn on the

1400
01:24:53.359 --> 01:24:54.560
newer iteration.

1401
01:24:54.319 --> 01:24:56.560
Of Battlestar Galactica Amazing.

1402
01:24:56.279 --> 01:25:00.800
Where she played power hungry Admiral Kane. And I mean,

1403
01:25:01.880 --> 01:25:04.600
I mean she's a villain, but she's a villain who

1404
01:25:04.640 --> 01:25:06.439
doesn't think she's a villain. She thinks she's doing the

1405
01:25:06.520 --> 01:25:09.119
right thing, and she's an absolute badass. I mean, it's

1406
01:25:09.119 --> 01:25:13.920
an incredible performance, really really knocks my socks off. Rolerin

1407
01:25:14.000 --> 01:25:15.880
I just think was just like that was Star Trek

1408
01:25:15.920 --> 01:25:18.359
the next generation bumping itself up to a little bit higher,

1409
01:25:18.439 --> 01:25:21.079
more mature level, and there would have been I think, no,

1410
01:25:22.039 --> 01:25:23.960
I think a lot of the stuff on Deep Space

1411
01:25:24.119 --> 01:25:27.680
nine would have never happened without you know, that character

1412
01:25:27.840 --> 01:25:31.199
first showing us the way, yeah, I think, and being

1413
01:25:31.319 --> 01:25:32.600
unabashedly political.

1414
01:25:33.640 --> 01:25:36.760
And if you like that character of Rolin Paul as

1415
01:25:36.840 --> 01:25:39.840
you know, you can continue to read about her adventures

1416
01:25:39.880 --> 01:25:43.119
in the Star Trek Defiant comic. She she's a key

1417
01:25:43.359 --> 01:25:46.960
character in that series right now. And I just I

1418
01:25:47.000 --> 01:25:48.319
think that comic is fantastic.

1419
01:25:48.479 --> 01:25:51.279
It's like twenty something issues now getting close to the issues, right,

1420
01:25:51.399 --> 01:25:54.199
I mean, that's cranking it out, doing really really well

1421
01:25:54.279 --> 01:25:57.760
from what I understand. But yeah, so so continue on.

1422
01:25:57.960 --> 01:26:00.600
You don't get to hear Michelle's voice unless it's in

1423
01:26:00.640 --> 01:26:04.159
your head. But I just think she's a badass. She's

1424
01:26:04.279 --> 01:26:08.319
just super super cool. I don't understand why she's not

1425
01:26:08.800 --> 01:26:11.920
you know, lead actor in a list motion pictures. I

1426
01:26:12.000 --> 01:26:16.680
just think she's a phenomenal talent, really really great and

1427
01:26:16.960 --> 01:26:18.479
just one of the I think one of the best

1428
01:26:18.520 --> 01:26:23.680
actresses working anywhere. So some cool people having January birthdays

1429
01:26:24.159 --> 01:26:26.800
a fun way to kick off the start of what

1430
01:26:27.000 --> 01:26:29.760
is sure to be a very interesting new year. And

1431
01:26:29.880 --> 01:26:33.079
with that I will pass the Flaming Battles over to

1432
01:26:33.199 --> 01:26:34.600
Uncle Jim Well.

1433
01:26:34.720 --> 01:26:37.680
I only have two for you guys. I like to

1434
01:26:37.760 --> 01:26:40.840
do the Klingons last, but I only have one, So

1435
01:26:40.920 --> 01:26:43.159
we want to start off by saying happy birthday to

1436
01:26:43.239 --> 01:26:47.640
Jonathan Farwell from Lanson, Michigan. He's the actor who portrayed

1437
01:26:47.760 --> 01:26:51.239
Walker Keel and Star Trek the Next Generation first season

1438
01:26:51.279 --> 01:26:56.039
episode Conspiracy, And I believe I might be wrong, but

1439
01:26:56.159 --> 01:27:00.119
I believe he coined the phrase trust no One on

1440
01:27:00.680 --> 01:27:03.960
before Fox Muldar. He even said it on X Files.

1441
01:27:04.439 --> 01:27:06.560
He said it on Star Trek, So.

1442
01:27:06.800 --> 01:27:09.399
He was really cool in that role too on on

1443
01:27:09.560 --> 01:27:11.800
that episode and it was just super cool.

1444
01:27:12.039 --> 01:27:14.800
And he's the one that introduced Beverly to Jack Crusher

1445
01:27:15.039 --> 01:27:15.520
as well.

1446
01:27:16.880 --> 01:27:19.560
Is that the episode that has like the very gory,

1447
01:27:19.800 --> 01:27:23.159
like somebody getting shot and like their guts exploding or something.

1448
01:27:23.840 --> 01:27:26.840
Yeah, it would have. I think that episode does not

1449
01:27:27.880 --> 01:27:30.279
get the chops and props it deserves. I mean, the

1450
01:27:30.319 --> 01:27:34.119
way they took like Wrath you know, ah, you know,

1451
01:27:34.159 --> 01:27:36.840
space Seed and turned into Rathacon, you could have taken

1452
01:27:36.960 --> 01:27:42.000
Conspiracy right and still could frankly and and use that

1453
01:27:42.319 --> 01:27:46.079
as a jumping off point for a badass motion picture.

1454
01:27:46.680 --> 01:27:46.880
Cool.

1455
01:27:47.000 --> 01:27:49.520
Yeah, Conspira because it really ends kind of saying, you know,

1456
01:27:49.640 --> 01:27:51.600
kind of looking out into the cosmos and going, we

1457
01:27:51.640 --> 01:27:54.600
haven't heard the last of these nefarious creeps. I mean,

1458
01:27:54.640 --> 01:27:57.199
it's a it's a one of the best episodes of

1459
01:27:57.279 --> 01:27:58.640
season one, and this guy was just.

1460
01:28:00.680 --> 01:28:04.000
Yeah, he was he was good, and we did hear

1461
01:28:04.039 --> 01:28:06.279
the last of from them. They never they never got

1462
01:28:06.359 --> 01:28:09.399
back to that, those little pink bug things.

1463
01:28:09.760 --> 01:28:11.800
Oh yeah, I mean, come on, that would be such

1464
01:28:11.840 --> 01:28:13.319
a great picture. That would be awesome.

1465
01:28:13.800 --> 01:28:20.000
Yeah. And Jonathan, Yes, exactly. And last on my list,

1466
01:28:20.039 --> 01:28:24.520
we want to say go blah to Jamelia Ross. She's

1467
01:28:24.600 --> 01:28:28.199
the actress, comedian, and singer who played Lukata and star

1468
01:28:28.279 --> 01:28:33.039
Treks Strange New World second season episode The Broken Circle.

1469
01:28:33.119 --> 01:28:36.079
She's one of the Klingons that was trying to buy

1470
01:28:36.239 --> 01:28:40.680
the Federation parts to build the Federation shift there so

1471
01:28:41.600 --> 01:28:46.159
called plat to Jamelia Ross and that my friends wraps

1472
01:28:46.239 --> 01:28:50.359
up our Star Trek birthdays for this episode. And now

1473
01:28:51.479 --> 01:28:54.279
now it's time to move into our Star Trek news.

1474
01:28:55.600 --> 01:28:59.239
If I already won message from Starfleet coming in on secure.

1475
01:28:58.960 --> 01:29:05.800
Channel incoming transmission enter authorization code, command codes verified.

1476
01:29:06.800 --> 01:29:08.960
Define parameters of program.

1477
01:29:09.359 --> 01:29:16.039
Level nine authorization required, specifying parameters Transfer updata is complete.

1478
01:29:16.760 --> 01:29:19.520
A black alert, blank alert.

1479
01:29:20.159 --> 01:29:22.680
All right, guys, Eric is going to get us started

1480
01:29:22.760 --> 01:29:25.399
off with our first news story, which just happens to

1481
01:29:25.479 --> 01:29:27.359
relate to this week's episode.

1482
01:29:27.439 --> 01:29:30.560
So take it away, Eric, it does relate. I have

1483
01:29:30.640 --> 01:29:33.359
a lot to say about this article after it. So

1484
01:29:35.000 --> 01:29:38.039
know the reports that Star Trek removed Discovery from Canon

1485
01:29:38.079 --> 01:29:41.960
with a Lower Decks episode are not true. A report

1486
01:29:42.039 --> 01:29:43.920
came out a few days ago that Star Trek was

1487
01:29:43.960 --> 01:29:47.600
erasing Star Trek Discovery from Canon, which is not true,

1488
01:29:47.880 --> 01:29:51.600
though Lower Decks did imply the show is in an

1489
01:29:51.680 --> 01:29:55.840
alternate reality. The two thousand and nine universe clearly established

1490
01:29:55.840 --> 01:29:58.680
itself as an alternate universe when Spock went back in

1491
01:29:58.800 --> 01:30:01.279
time to trail a run who blew up the planet

1492
01:30:01.359 --> 01:30:05.119
Vulcan using red matter. The events of the universe didn't

1493
01:30:05.199 --> 01:30:08.520
unfold the same, though Primespock did his best to ensure

1494
01:30:08.560 --> 01:30:12.840
that Kirk and Spock led their universe together. This treatment

1495
01:30:12.880 --> 01:30:16.760
of continuity as an alternate universe kept old fans appeased

1496
01:30:17.159 --> 01:30:20.319
while being able to establish news stories unburdened by the

1497
01:30:20.439 --> 01:30:24.199
rules of the original universe. Star Trek Lower Decks did

1498
01:30:24.359 --> 01:30:27.680
similar with the first season of Star Trek Discovery, though

1499
01:30:27.720 --> 01:30:31.119
it doesn't mean Paramount Plus or Alex Kurtzman are trying

1500
01:30:31.159 --> 01:30:34.760
to erase the show as their continuing forward with spinoffs

1501
01:30:35.239 --> 01:30:37.920
based on Discovery, which are coming out in twenty twenty five.

1502
01:30:38.680 --> 01:30:41.680
The plot line of Lower Decks final season has to

1503
01:30:41.800 --> 01:30:45.159
deal with the critos closing different portals to alternate realities.

1504
01:30:45.840 --> 01:30:48.960
Far from erasing these realities, the end of the season

1505
01:30:49.239 --> 01:30:52.760
actually opens up a multi versal wormhole where the Federation

1506
01:30:52.920 --> 01:30:56.840
can launch missions to those realities to explore them, meaning

1507
01:30:57.000 --> 01:31:00.279
all of this is fully ingrained in Cannon, even if

1508
01:31:00.359 --> 01:31:04.479
they're separate timelines. Paramount has long held that everything on

1509
01:31:04.640 --> 01:31:06.880
screen is canon to Star Trek. No stance on this

1510
01:31:07.000 --> 01:31:10.439
matter has changed. In the final episode of Lower Decks,

1511
01:31:10.680 --> 01:31:14.000
the Soritos and its crew transform multiple times as it

1512
01:31:14.119 --> 01:31:17.399
gets caught in a rift, transforming them into different universe

1513
01:31:17.640 --> 01:31:22.319
versions of themselves of themselves. In one of these universes,

1514
01:31:22.399 --> 01:31:25.279
we see the season one Star Trek Discovery version of

1515
01:31:25.319 --> 01:31:28.600
the Klingons, whose manners and appearance were panned by fans

1516
01:31:28.640 --> 01:31:32.560
as not correct as they redesigned them. While it's very

1517
01:31:32.640 --> 01:31:35.520
clear via Lower Decks finale that Discovery is in its

1518
01:31:35.560 --> 01:31:40.079
own universe, its possible Lower Decks is as well, since

1519
01:31:40.159 --> 01:31:46.920
the show underwent several multiversal transformations. Despite all of these existing,

1520
01:31:47.399 --> 01:31:51.640
they are all still cannon. Despite the rumors going around

1521
01:31:52.119 --> 01:31:59.039
the internet. That was exhausting. So here's what I have

1522
01:31:59.119 --> 01:32:05.279
to say. That little blip that was about two seconds

1523
01:32:05.359 --> 01:32:09.479
long at the most in Star Trek Lower Decks has

1524
01:32:09.640 --> 01:32:14.199
opened up more cans of worms than anything I think

1525
01:32:14.520 --> 01:32:18.279
since Star Trek Discovery first came out. And in fact,

1526
01:32:18.439 --> 01:32:21.439
what I think it did was I think it took

1527
01:32:21.640 --> 01:32:25.399
a fan set that has been divided for years on

1528
01:32:25.800 --> 01:32:30.520
the validity, goodness, et cetera of Discovery and it actually

1529
01:32:31.279 --> 01:32:37.399
fractured it even further. It did nothing but bad to

1530
01:32:37.560 --> 01:32:41.399
Star Trek for Lower Decks to show this one little

1531
01:32:41.600 --> 01:32:44.760
blip of a Klingon because it is very clear from

1532
01:32:44.800 --> 01:32:48.319
the episode that this beam or this wave of stuff

1533
01:32:49.760 --> 01:32:55.000
shows you different possible alternate realities, right, And on this podcast,

1534
01:32:55.159 --> 01:32:59.359
we fought so hard to try and convince our fans

1535
01:32:59.439 --> 01:33:03.760
and our listening that Discovery was part of the Prime

1536
01:33:03.880 --> 01:33:08.000
Universe canon, that it all was consistent with what was

1537
01:33:08.119 --> 01:33:12.479
being shown, that they had connections to Tos, that they

1538
01:33:12.520 --> 01:33:15.680
had connections to other Star Treks that we had seen,

1539
01:33:16.399 --> 01:33:20.920
and Lower Decks completely dismantled all of that with this

1540
01:33:21.119 --> 01:33:23.640
one final episode. So I have to say that of

1541
01:33:23.680 --> 01:33:27.640
all the decisions made in this particular episode of Lower Decks,

1542
01:33:28.359 --> 01:33:30.960
this in my opinion, was the worst one because it

1543
01:33:31.039 --> 01:33:36.399
did nothing but make fans hate other fans and feel

1544
01:33:36.520 --> 01:33:39.880
us all apart. They explained it away with this whole

1545
01:33:40.039 --> 01:33:44.840
multiversal thing, but of course, you know, at least three

1546
01:33:44.880 --> 01:33:47.199
out of the five of the trexperts here don't totally

1547
01:33:47.279 --> 01:33:49.760
dig that idea, and I respect that.

1548
01:33:50.000 --> 01:33:51.119
I respect that you.

1549
01:33:51.159 --> 01:33:54.720
Don't necessarily like the multiversal part of it. So I'm

1550
01:33:54.800 --> 01:33:59.119
just like, when they did that, I stood up and

1551
01:33:59.199 --> 01:34:01.920
I was like, what the f Like, I literally said

1552
01:34:01.960 --> 01:34:04.319
that to myself, what the f And why would they

1553
01:34:04.399 --> 01:34:07.560
ever ever do that? So I have said my piece.

1554
01:34:09.119 --> 01:34:09.520
I hate it.

1555
01:34:11.399 --> 01:34:15.239
Well, I just want to interject. Can I interject? Am

1556
01:34:15.279 --> 01:34:16.079
I allowed to Internet?

1557
01:34:16.119 --> 01:34:16.600
Now is the time?

1558
01:34:16.600 --> 01:34:19.039
Because I'm gonna mute myself. It keeps stewing a little bit.

1559
01:34:19.239 --> 01:34:21.279
All right, Well, I don't think you really have anything

1560
01:34:21.319 --> 01:34:25.239
to stew about. And the reason being, uh, they did

1561
01:34:25.439 --> 01:34:32.319
show the Klingons de evolving into proto Klingons, correct, yep. Now,

1562
01:34:32.760 --> 01:34:36.800
those proto Klingons that they evolved into were featured on

1563
01:34:36.920 --> 01:34:40.439
Star Trek the Next Generation, which was not in an

1564
01:34:40.439 --> 01:34:44.960
alternate universe where it was was shown on an episode

1565
01:34:45.239 --> 01:34:48.920
in the actual universe. So to say that all the

1566
01:34:49.039 --> 01:34:51.920
things that they showed us were from an alternate universe

1567
01:34:52.239 --> 01:34:54.800
is contradicted in the same episode that's telling us that.

1568
01:34:55.720 --> 01:34:58.600
So yeah, I just think they just threw it in

1569
01:34:58.680 --> 01:35:02.279
there as a as a joke. I actually enjoyed seeing

1570
01:35:02.720 --> 01:35:05.640
the Discovery Klingons there and the Discovery Bird of Prey.

1571
01:35:05.720 --> 01:35:09.319
I thought that was neat. But yeah, it's opened up

1572
01:35:09.319 --> 01:35:12.600
a whole can of worms because the Discovery haters are

1573
01:35:12.640 --> 01:35:16.199
out there in droves, just just jumping on this bandwagon.

1574
01:35:16.760 --> 01:35:21.039
And I say to these people, Okay, if you want

1575
01:35:21.119 --> 01:35:25.119
to eliminate Discovery from Star Trek Cannon, you do realize

1576
01:35:25.199 --> 01:35:27.960
that Strange New Worlds has to take a plunge as well,

1577
01:35:28.680 --> 01:35:31.800
because Captain Pike and Number one and Spock, we're all

1578
01:35:31.880 --> 01:35:35.640
featured on Discovery, and if Discovery's not there, they're not

1579
01:35:35.800 --> 01:35:40.000
there either, and by context, neither is ts because it

1580
01:35:40.119 --> 01:35:43.439
was made clear to us on Discovery that Captain Pike

1581
01:35:43.560 --> 01:35:47.000
through a flashback is the same Captain Pike that Jeffrey

1582
01:35:47.079 --> 01:35:50.079
Hunter was. You remove him from Cannon, and the whole

1583
01:35:50.159 --> 01:35:52.520
canon thing anyways, is just a bunch of garbage if

1584
01:35:52.560 --> 01:35:55.439
you ask me, so, Yeah, I agree with you, Eric,

1585
01:35:55.680 --> 01:35:57.279
it was I don't know why they did it.

1586
01:35:57.359 --> 01:36:02.680
I don't know what I mean, right, Like, that's possible.

1587
01:36:03.199 --> 01:36:04.199
That was refusing as well.

1588
01:36:04.680 --> 01:36:10.399
For Jim why TGS Genesis season seven, episode nineteen, that

1589
01:36:10.600 --> 01:36:11.960
was the d Involved War.

1590
01:36:15.840 --> 01:36:18.319
Yep, yep, But I mean that.

1591
01:36:20.239 --> 01:36:21.199
It was not, but it was.

1592
01:36:21.399 --> 01:36:25.800
But it was undone, right, So it wasn't an alternate reality,

1593
01:36:25.840 --> 01:36:28.359
but it was ultimately undone, much in the same way

1594
01:36:28.439 --> 01:36:33.439
the Voyager folks devolving into salamanders was eventually undone. So

1595
01:36:33.880 --> 01:36:38.319
the corollary here is that they are undoing the Klingons

1596
01:36:38.359 --> 01:36:40.119
by doing this. I mean, I agree with you, Jim,

1597
01:36:40.600 --> 01:36:43.199
But I'm just saying that, like, the argument that the

1598
01:36:43.279 --> 01:36:46.279
haters are putting forward is based on the fact that

1599
01:36:46.399 --> 01:36:49.199
this is a confusing inclusion in this episode that actually

1600
01:36:49.760 --> 01:36:51.960
didn't add to anything except maybe a little bit of

1601
01:36:52.279 --> 01:36:55.199
like what Paul calls just the like factor, you know,

1602
01:36:55.239 --> 01:36:58.039
the like, Oh I've seen that before. That's fun, and

1603
01:36:58.119 --> 01:36:58.640
that's about it.

1604
01:37:00.279 --> 01:37:04.640
Yeah. Absolutely, And I actually I think it David is

1605
01:37:04.680 --> 01:37:06.319
the one who brought it up in our in our

1606
01:37:06.439 --> 01:37:09.000
chat earlier, David, right, didn't Are you the one that

1607
01:37:09.119 --> 01:37:14.399
brought that up? Yes, he did, I think Yeah, I

1608
01:37:14.479 --> 01:37:17.479
think so. I think it was David that brought that up.

1609
01:37:17.720 --> 01:37:19.359
I mean, I will admit that I had such an

1610
01:37:19.359 --> 01:37:21.760
emotional reaction to this that a friend of mine posted

1611
01:37:21.800 --> 01:37:23.640
something about it online and I kind of went after

1612
01:37:23.720 --> 01:37:26.399
him and I felt really guilty about it, and I

1613
01:37:26.520 --> 01:37:32.399
apologized to him that was like, Okay, I see what

1614
01:37:32.479 --> 01:37:35.039
you're saying, dude, and I'm sorry that I was so mean.

1615
01:37:35.000 --> 01:37:41.399
About well, you know, I personally me, I think that

1616
01:37:41.520 --> 01:37:44.000
the Klingons and Discovery were awesome, and I think it's

1617
01:37:44.039 --> 01:37:48.560
a disgrace that they ignored them and that they backpedaled

1618
01:37:48.800 --> 01:37:53.159
and bowed down to fan pressure, yes, and removed him

1619
01:37:53.199 --> 01:37:56.359
completely and went back to what fans are comfortable with,

1620
01:37:56.560 --> 01:37:59.239
because God forbid, we challenged the fans.

1621
01:37:59.399 --> 01:38:03.880
You know, I wanted Discovery Klingons in Strange New World

1622
01:38:04.119 --> 01:38:07.319
so badly.

1623
01:38:07.359 --> 01:38:11.840
We should have been according to the timeline. And but Paramount,

1624
01:38:12.239 --> 01:38:15.399
you know, bent down to the pressure and didn't want

1625
01:38:15.439 --> 01:38:17.720
to challenge the fans and make them think outside the

1626
01:38:17.760 --> 01:38:18.880
box or anything like that.

1627
01:38:19.279 --> 01:38:23.600
Yeah, so this is where we we find ourselves, gentlemen.

1628
01:38:23.680 --> 01:38:25.560
And this is gonna just I hate to be the

1629
01:38:25.640 --> 01:38:27.359
one to tell you, but it's just, you know, with

1630
01:38:27.560 --> 01:38:31.800
the with the recent rulings of Zuckerberg on Facebook, this

1631
01:38:31.920 --> 01:38:34.800
stuff is just gonna get worse and worse and worse

1632
01:38:34.920 --> 01:38:39.640
because we now live in an era where, unfortunately, fans

1633
01:38:39.720 --> 01:38:42.640
don't just become fans of something. They think that they're

1634
01:38:42.720 --> 01:38:46.199
collaborators with an equal voice as much as the creators

1635
01:38:46.239 --> 01:38:49.520
of a show. And we've been seeing this since, you

1636
01:38:49.600 --> 01:38:53.720
know then ascent of like shows like Lost and The

1637
01:38:53.840 --> 01:38:59.119
Star Trek, the sequel trilogy, you know, like when Phantom

1638
01:38:59.159 --> 01:39:00.720
Menace can Phantom Menace?

1639
01:39:01.119 --> 01:39:01.199
Uh?

1640
01:39:02.520 --> 01:39:05.359
What the hell is the first one with Star Wars?

1641
01:39:06.399 --> 01:39:07.279
What am i? What am I?

1642
01:39:07.359 --> 01:39:09.600
Saying, right, not Rise of Skywalker.

1643
01:39:10.359 --> 01:39:13.279
I can't remember the name of the you know what I'm.

1644
01:39:13.159 --> 01:39:15.479
Saying that it was.

1645
01:39:17.920 --> 01:39:23.680
I mean, I mean the most recent trilogy, right, but yeah,

1646
01:39:25.079 --> 01:39:29.920
course Awaken Forgetable is the Internet and the people and

1647
01:39:30.119 --> 01:39:33.640
the comment thing and the opinions and the hating. Oh

1648
01:39:33.760 --> 01:39:36.319
my god, it's just the worst, right, and we're just it.

1649
01:39:36.399 --> 01:39:38.640
It's gonna get worse and worse. Because if this was

1650
01:39:38.720 --> 01:39:41.479
the year that The Star Trek the Motion Picture came out,

1651
01:39:42.119 --> 01:39:44.319
imagine when Star Trek the Motion Picture came out and

1652
01:39:44.359 --> 01:39:47.840
we've got our first look that what we now take

1653
01:39:47.920 --> 01:39:51.800
for granted as the ridged head you know, Klingons that

1654
01:39:51.840 --> 01:39:54.600
became a next gen people would freak out so bad

1655
01:39:54.920 --> 01:39:57.680
they would they would have never shown up again. They

1656
01:39:57.720 --> 01:39:59.720
would have insisted that they look like they do on

1657
01:40:00.239 --> 01:40:07.720
uh on old school you know Bonanza original series maker

1658
01:40:08.000 --> 01:40:08.520
the shoe.

1659
01:40:08.359 --> 01:40:09.640
Polish, mustache Klingons.

1660
01:40:11.319 --> 01:40:13.079
I mean, it's just, it's just and this is just

1661
01:40:13.159 --> 01:40:16.680
the era we live in, right is Unfortunately the inmates

1662
01:40:16.720 --> 01:40:17.840
are in charge of the asylum.

1663
01:40:18.279 --> 01:40:21.159
But isn't this like The thing that upsets me the

1664
01:40:21.199 --> 01:40:26.479
most about it is that it feels irresponsible of Paramount

1665
01:40:26.520 --> 01:40:31.239
because certainly, folks at Paramount follow the Internet, right, That's

1666
01:40:31.279 --> 01:40:34.960
exactly what you're saying. They they see what's out there,

1667
01:40:35.159 --> 01:40:40.640
and rather than do something to bring fans together, they

1668
01:40:40.720 --> 01:40:44.720
specifically did something that they had to know was gonna

1669
01:40:44.720 --> 01:40:47.560
split them apart. Even more like, this reaction is not

1670
01:40:47.720 --> 01:40:50.399
surprising for all the reasons that we were just talking.

1671
01:40:50.640 --> 01:40:54.000
Yeah, I don't look to Paramount to make good decisions.

1672
01:40:56.439 --> 01:40:56.800
I don't.

1673
01:40:56.880 --> 01:41:01.159
I don't think they've made decisions in you know, well

1674
01:41:01.239 --> 01:41:03.960
over a decade. I just don't. I think that they

1675
01:41:04.600 --> 01:41:08.600
They have good concepts and they mean well sometimes, but

1676
01:41:08.680 --> 01:41:11.159
I think they hire very poorly, especially when it comes

1677
01:41:11.199 --> 01:41:14.640
to like the writing people, right, And I don't think

1678
01:41:14.640 --> 01:41:17.239
it's a consistent vision. And I think that they they

1679
01:41:17.840 --> 01:41:21.239
when a show's starting to you know, function on all

1680
01:41:21.359 --> 01:41:24.840
cylinders and do really, well, what does Paramount do? They

1681
01:41:24.960 --> 01:41:27.840
cancel it, right, and they and they green light things

1682
01:41:27.880 --> 01:41:32.199
that are just not that I think any focused group

1683
01:41:32.239 --> 01:41:34.239
would tell you it's just like not worth pursuing or

1684
01:41:34.279 --> 01:41:38.479
certainly not worth spending you know, umptying million dollars on.

1685
01:41:38.760 --> 01:41:41.760
So but yeah, it's just it's not not surprised. I mean,

1686
01:41:41.800 --> 01:41:45.039
it's the same mentality people that get down on you know,

1687
01:41:46.000 --> 01:41:49.079
discovery in general. Right, they're very right wing, they're very haiti,

1688
01:41:49.680 --> 01:41:54.479
they don't like minorities, they're pro genocide wink, you know.

1689
01:41:55.680 --> 01:41:58.720
You know, yeah, problem with what I'm saying. You know,

1690
01:41:58.840 --> 01:42:01.199
you can feel free to drop dead, would be my

1691
01:42:01.319 --> 01:42:01.840
advice to you.

1692
01:42:02.359 --> 01:42:03.720
We'll leave a message for us on our.

1693
01:42:03.720 --> 01:42:06.720
We'll leave a message on truck talk dot com using

1694
01:42:06.760 --> 01:42:08.640
the chat butt and address it to Paul.

1695
01:42:09.279 --> 01:42:10.119
How much you hate Paul?

1696
01:42:10.199 --> 01:42:11.239
Yeah, I would say feel.

1697
01:42:11.079 --> 01:42:12.880
Free to drop dead. If you disagree with me, it

1698
01:42:12.880 --> 01:42:15.479
would be you know, this is my own two cents.

1699
01:42:16.520 --> 01:42:18.800
Shall we move on to a more positive and enlightening

1700
01:42:18.880 --> 01:42:21.119
and exciting news story. Do we have time?

1701
01:42:21.359 --> 01:42:21.880
Please? Yeah?

1702
01:42:21.920 --> 01:42:27.600
Sorry, I got I see you, I see thanks buddy, Thanks.

1703
01:42:27.520 --> 01:42:27.880
I see you.

1704
01:42:28.000 --> 01:42:31.680
I concur I'm super I'm not going to be able

1705
01:42:31.680 --> 01:42:36.479
to hide my enthusiasm for this story coming up next

1706
01:42:36.520 --> 01:42:39.279
because it's a great lead into the future of this podcast.

1707
01:42:39.399 --> 01:42:42.880
So I'm very excited. But here's the thing. Star Trek

1708
01:42:42.920 --> 01:42:44.920
Through the Wrath of Khan was recently named to the

1709
01:42:45.039 --> 01:42:49.640
National Film Registry, and we have the reaction from writer

1710
01:42:49.800 --> 01:42:55.079
director Nicholas Myers. Okay, Nicholas Meyer excuse me. That's been

1711
01:42:55.520 --> 01:43:01.399
driving me crazy all week. So the Star Trek film

1712
01:43:01.439 --> 01:43:05.520
franchises has at least thirteen releases spanning from nineteen seventy

1713
01:43:05.640 --> 01:43:09.119
nine to twenty sixteen, but there is one film often

1714
01:43:09.279 --> 01:43:13.640
held up as the best of the genre, nineteen eighty

1715
01:43:13.680 --> 01:43:17.159
two Star Trek to the Wrath of Khan, and the

1716
01:43:17.319 --> 01:43:21.159
film picked up another major accolade being named as one

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01:43:21.239 --> 01:43:24.600
of the movies added to the National Film Registry for

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01:43:24.760 --> 01:43:27.920
Preservation by the Library of Congress.

1719
01:43:28.439 --> 01:43:31.079
Amazing, not that Congress, we don't like them.

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01:43:34.399 --> 01:43:37.600
Films added to the Registry are chosen due to their cultural, historic,

1721
01:43:37.680 --> 01:43:41.159
and esthetic importance to preserve the nation's film heritage. We're

1722
01:43:41.199 --> 01:43:46.520
talking cinema people with the capital C cinema. Submissions for

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01:43:46.600 --> 01:43:48.800
consideration can be made by members of the public, and

1724
01:43:48.880 --> 01:43:53.239
this year there were over sixty seven hundred entries, one

1725
01:43:53.279 --> 01:43:54.880
of which was Star Trek to the Wrath of Khan.

1726
01:43:56.239 --> 01:43:59.119
Stephen Leggett of the Library of Congress National Audio Visual

1727
01:43:59.199 --> 01:44:02.560
Conservation Set said, we picked Wrath of Khan in part

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01:44:02.640 --> 01:44:06.000
because it is generally considered the best of the theatrical

1729
01:44:06.079 --> 01:44:10.119
releases in the series. The film also received significant support

1730
01:44:10.199 --> 01:44:13.439
in public nominations. Five of this year's films added to

1731
01:44:13.479 --> 01:44:16.920
the Registry were also being highlighted for the reflecting Hispanic

1732
01:44:17.079 --> 01:44:20.159
artists and culture, and this includes Wrath of Khan. Because

1733
01:44:20.199 --> 01:44:23.520
of Khan right from the announcement, one of the selections

1734
01:44:23.560 --> 01:44:25.960
with strong public nominations this year started through the Wrath

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01:44:26.000 --> 01:44:28.880
of Khan features the Mexican American actor at Ricardo Montalban

1736
01:44:28.960 --> 01:44:32.640
as the main antagonist of the film. Being named to

1737
01:44:32.760 --> 01:44:35.359
the National Film Registry is just the latest honor for

1738
01:44:35.439 --> 01:44:38.439
the film, which was also nominated for a Hugo Award

1739
01:44:38.479 --> 01:44:42.640
in nineteen eighty three, named after Hugo Gernsback of Course,

1740
01:44:43.680 --> 01:44:46.600
as well as eight Saturn Awards, with William Shatner winning

1741
01:44:46.640 --> 01:44:50.039
the Best Actor and Nicholas Meyer winning for Best Director.

1742
01:44:50.680 --> 01:44:53.039
Over the decades, Wrath of Khan has often been held

1743
01:44:53.119 --> 01:44:55.479
up as a standard for both the Star Trek franchise

1744
01:44:55.600 --> 01:44:59.920
and beyond, with Ricardo Montalban's Khan Nonian Singh considered one

1745
01:45:00.079 --> 01:45:04.640
of the greatest movie villains of all time. The film

1746
01:45:04.680 --> 01:45:09.039
has become iconic, influencing pop culture and remaining relevant to

1747
01:45:09.119 --> 01:45:12.479
this day. Amages to the film have appeared across media,

1748
01:45:12.560 --> 01:45:17.880
including Seinfeld and even this year in Deadpool and Wolverine. Okay,

1749
01:45:18.000 --> 01:45:20.680
it's a great story. It's super exciting. We love this right,

1750
01:45:20.760 --> 01:45:23.920
It's awesome, and it's wonderful to know that it'll be

1751
01:45:24.039 --> 01:45:26.800
preserved for you know, beyond all of our lifetimes and

1752
01:45:27.000 --> 01:45:30.239
the film registry, right because film preservation is important. But

1753
01:45:30.479 --> 01:45:33.800
even more important, as Jim mentioned at the beginning of

1754
01:45:34.000 --> 01:45:40.399
the podcast, we now know that this legendary, iconic writer director,

1755
01:45:40.600 --> 01:45:44.720
Nicholas Meyer is gonna be our guest on this show

1756
01:45:45.399 --> 01:45:48.520
on the first week of February, February sixth.

1757
01:45:48.720 --> 01:45:51.159
It blows my mind.

1758
01:45:52.199 --> 01:45:54.439
For my money, this is the best guest that's ever

1759
01:45:54.560 --> 01:45:57.279
been on the show. Okay. I don't know that we've

1760
01:45:57.319 --> 01:46:00.920
ever had a writer director of this level of this

1761
01:46:01.319 --> 01:46:06.359
is iluminary. Okay. This guy is a writer first and

1762
01:46:06.600 --> 01:46:10.119
also a kick ass director. But he wrote the novel

1763
01:46:10.239 --> 01:46:13.720
The Seven Percent Solution, Okay, that was ultimately turned into

1764
01:46:13.920 --> 01:46:18.279
like another motion picture as well. He's also the man

1765
01:46:18.399 --> 01:46:23.319
responsible for writing and directing Star Trek six The Undiscovered Country.

1766
01:46:23.960 --> 01:46:27.079
Sorry Jim, but even better than Star Trek five.

1767
01:46:29.840 --> 01:46:33.239
Go there. Now, come on, I'm just saying, you say.

1768
01:46:33.199 --> 01:46:36.000
Nicholas Meyer, I met what could Nicholas Meyer have done

1769
01:46:36.039 --> 01:46:38.079
with the premise of Star Trek five. I can't even

1770
01:46:38.119 --> 01:46:42.239
imagine have to ask him that. It's just he gets there.

1771
01:46:42.319 --> 01:46:48.039
But four and six, I mean, he's just amazing, amazing storyteller, absolutely,

1772
01:46:48.159 --> 01:46:49.720
I mean two and six amazing. I think he had

1773
01:46:49.720 --> 01:46:51.439
a lot to do with the script on four as well,

1774
01:46:51.479 --> 01:46:53.399
if I'm not mistaken, I think he contributed quite a

1775
01:46:53.399 --> 01:46:56.359
bit to that. But I'm just a huge fan because

1776
01:46:56.399 --> 01:46:59.079
of his He's one of the great living Sherlock Holmes

1777
01:46:59.199 --> 01:47:02.840
experts ever, Okay, I mean, he just knows everything and

1778
01:47:02.960 --> 01:47:05.960
has contributed to the Holmes legacy, and well, we'll talk

1779
01:47:06.000 --> 01:47:08.319
about it with him when he's on the show. He

1780
01:47:08.560 --> 01:47:12.960
wrote and had a huge amount to do with The

1781
01:47:13.079 --> 01:47:15.479
Day After when The Day After was on. I don't

1782
01:47:15.479 --> 01:47:16.680
know a lot of people maybe.

1783
01:47:16.520 --> 01:47:20.960
Here that's still I still have like that so super.

1784
01:47:21.520 --> 01:47:26.399
Nick Meyer directed The Day After. In the writing, it's

1785
01:47:27.880 --> 01:47:30.920
really really great, a ton of cool things. I don't know,

1786
01:47:30.920 --> 01:47:33.560
if you know, The Night that Panicked America. It was

1787
01:47:34.520 --> 01:47:38.159
a really really great uh you know, just you know,

1788
01:47:38.359 --> 01:47:41.840
a story about the war of the World's rockcast, right,

1789
01:47:42.000 --> 01:47:45.960
really really cool. But for me, one of my favorite

1790
01:47:46.000 --> 01:47:49.000
movies of all time is Nicholas meyer Is. He wrote

1791
01:47:49.000 --> 01:47:53.199
and directed Time after Time with Malcolm McDowell and David Warner,

1792
01:47:53.560 --> 01:47:57.399
one of the coolest, most uplifting and exciting old school

1793
01:47:57.439 --> 01:47:59.439
science fiction movies of all time. If you've never seen

1794
01:47:59.520 --> 01:48:04.239
Time after Time, it is just absolutely a fundamental classic.

1795
01:48:04.399 --> 01:48:08.319
I absolutely think it's just remarkable. And I can't wait

1796
01:48:08.439 --> 01:48:10.239
to have the opportunity to talk to Nicole Smier about

1797
01:48:10.239 --> 01:48:12.199
that film and Star Trek and anything else he wants

1798
01:48:12.239 --> 01:48:14.359
to talk to us about, because the man is great.

1799
01:48:14.439 --> 01:48:15.720
I'm so thrilled Jim got him.

1800
01:48:16.359 --> 01:48:19.039
Well. He also was a science consultant on season one

1801
01:48:19.079 --> 01:48:21.640
of Star Trek Discovery. That's right, get that.

1802
01:48:22.399 --> 01:48:25.359
That's right. I forgot about that. Yeah, it's done so

1803
01:48:25.560 --> 01:48:29.720
much man too, so h yeah, because he's a fan.

1804
01:48:29.800 --> 01:48:30.960
I mean, I want to find out what are your

1805
01:48:30.960 --> 01:48:33.640
favorite episodes of Star Trek. You know, Nicholas, what do

1806
01:48:33.680 --> 01:48:36.920
you what are the ones that really you know, obviously

1807
01:48:37.039 --> 01:48:39.239
you know Space Seed has got to be in there,

1808
01:48:39.279 --> 01:48:40.640
But I just want to hear you, just to get

1809
01:48:40.720 --> 01:48:44.399
him for the whole show, unfiltered and candid and talking

1810
01:48:44.399 --> 01:48:46.319
about his life and his creations. I'm just like, man,

1811
01:48:46.359 --> 01:48:48.520
what a what a treat. I mean, that's going to

1812
01:48:48.600 --> 01:48:52.039
be the best interviews ever on video.

1813
01:48:52.640 --> 01:48:54.399
I don't know if it'll be as good as Lauren's

1814
01:48:54.479 --> 01:48:57.279
lucking Bill. I mean, you know, well, you know.

1815
01:48:58.960 --> 01:48:59.840
Was an amazing guest.

1816
01:49:00.239 --> 01:49:02.159
I'm sure he was an amazing guest, you know. I mean,

1817
01:49:02.279 --> 01:49:05.479
I I love pizza, I love hamburgers, I love champagne.

1818
01:49:05.640 --> 01:49:07.800
I love a lot of different things, and the equally

1819
01:49:07.840 --> 01:49:12.640
we're all on the same pl equally, Yeah, exactly, Champagne

1820
01:49:12.640 --> 01:49:15.800
and cheeseburgers. You can't be but yeah, I'm just that's

1821
01:49:15.920 --> 01:49:17.920
that's a that's a hell of a get man. And uh,

1822
01:49:18.600 --> 01:49:21.520
we just keep getting better and mostly we get great

1823
01:49:21.560 --> 01:49:22.199
guests on the show.

1824
01:49:22.199 --> 01:49:25.239
Well, Nick, while we're talking about it, I have reached

1825
01:49:25.279 --> 01:49:30.000
out to Todd Stashwick, the dip ship from Chicago, and uh,

1826
01:49:30.199 --> 01:49:33.119
I'm negotiating to get him on the podcast and it's

1827
01:49:33.159 --> 01:49:36.640
looking good. I've also reached out to Leonardie Moy's uh

1828
01:49:37.119 --> 01:49:40.319
son Adam, and he's interested in coming on and chatting

1829
01:49:40.359 --> 01:49:43.159
with us about his legendary father for those of you

1830
01:49:43.239 --> 01:49:46.560
who don't know, that would be mister Spock. I also

1831
01:49:46.680 --> 01:49:52.239
have reached out to Kate Mouldrew and hopefully, you know,

1832
01:49:52.600 --> 01:49:54.680
we'll get that worked out too. So I got a lot,

1833
01:49:54.760 --> 01:49:55.800
a lot going on, a lot of it.

1834
01:49:55.920 --> 01:49:57.920
And dude, you got Tim Russ next week. Let's not

1835
01:49:58.279 --> 01:50:02.119
devalue Tim Russ just because I'm fan fan gushing about

1836
01:50:02.199 --> 01:50:05.279
Nicholas Meyer. Tim rust is amazing. I mean, I'm not

1837
01:50:05.399 --> 01:50:09.079
the phenomenal get to have him on the show. He's

1838
01:50:09.279 --> 01:50:13.439
just outstanding. So I cannot wait to hear him. I

1839
01:50:13.600 --> 01:50:16.119
I just know he's gonna bust loose. I can't wait

1840
01:50:16.199 --> 01:50:18.159
to get him in there. That's gonna be great.

1841
01:50:18.239 --> 01:50:20.920
He seems like he seems like somebody who you're really

1842
01:50:20.960 --> 01:50:22.840
gonna have fun with, Paul, because I think he's gonna

1843
01:50:22.880 --> 01:50:26.319
respond well to your humor and like your edginess and stuff.

1844
01:50:26.319 --> 01:50:27.359
I think that's gonna be great.

1845
01:50:27.760 --> 01:50:29.560
I'm not edie, what are you talking about?

1846
01:50:30.439 --> 01:50:34.800
Well, and don't forget guys that trowing the show once.

1847
01:50:34.880 --> 01:50:38.319
Come on, I mean there's like that, you know, Yeah,

1848
01:50:38.439 --> 01:50:40.640
But no, he's just I've seen a couple of interviews

1849
01:50:40.680 --> 01:50:43.560
with him and he just seems really, you know, easygoing

1850
01:50:43.720 --> 01:50:45.520
and funny, and he just he's I don't think he

1851
01:50:45.560 --> 01:50:47.760
filters himself very much. I think he just says what's

1852
01:50:47.800 --> 01:50:48.560
on his mind.

1853
01:50:48.439 --> 01:50:50.239
Right, and and.

1854
01:50:56.640 --> 01:50:58.399
He's gonna he's gonna be He's gonna have a lot

1855
01:50:58.479 --> 01:51:00.880
to say. I just whind him up and turn him lose.

1856
01:51:01.039 --> 01:51:01.199
Man.

1857
01:51:01.359 --> 01:51:01.880
I can't wait.

1858
01:51:02.720 --> 01:51:04.560
So listen, guys. I said it at the top of

1859
01:51:04.600 --> 01:51:06.119
the show, and I'll say it again at the bottom

1860
01:51:06.159 --> 01:51:08.439
of the show. Head over to truck Talking dot Com,

1861
01:51:08.840 --> 01:51:11.359
Little Blue Talkback Mike in the bottom right hand corner.

1862
01:51:12.039 --> 01:51:13.800
Leave Paul a message and tell him how much you

1863
01:51:13.840 --> 01:51:18.680
love him and how awesome he is. You can also

1864
01:51:18.800 --> 01:51:23.600
leave a question Nick Meyer or Tim Russ and we

1865
01:51:23.680 --> 01:51:25.800
will play your question live on the air and get

1866
01:51:25.840 --> 01:51:27.600
an answered for you. So please head over to treuk

1867
01:51:27.680 --> 01:51:31.079
Talking dot Com talk back Mike bottom right hand corner.

1868
01:51:31.399 --> 01:51:33.960
Leave us a message, leave Tim Russ a message, leave

1869
01:51:34.000 --> 01:51:36.479
Nick Meyer a message, and we'll make sure to play

1870
01:51:36.520 --> 01:51:39.560
it on the show for them. Well, guys, it's hard

1871
01:51:39.600 --> 01:51:43.399
to believe, but we've gone through another show yet again. Wow,

1872
01:51:44.000 --> 01:51:46.600
where does the time go? I feel like we're in

1873
01:51:46.720 --> 01:51:50.239
some time vortex or something, you know, like an MCU

1874
01:51:50.479 --> 01:51:57.880
thing going on. Anyways, No, there was a lot of fun,

1875
01:51:58.039 --> 01:52:00.600
had a lot of fun, as we always and it's

1876
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not gonna.

1877
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Be long, right, We only got a couple of weeks

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until the section thirty one shows comes on. That's this month, right,

1879
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we'll be talking about that soon too.

1880
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Yeah, you know, unless if you guys want to, we

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01:52:14.600 --> 01:52:17.039
could do a live watch. We could all watch it

1882
01:52:17.079 --> 01:52:18.079
together here live.

1883
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If we wanted to do that, let's talk about it.

1884
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I think, talk about it with Scotty here with my

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01:52:25.880 --> 01:52:27.479
engineer and see how we can make that out. But

1886
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at any rate, it's time to go. What a lot

1887
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of fun we had. We got a great stuff coming

1888
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up for you guys in the future. So even though

1889
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there's not a lot of new Star Trek coming on,

1890
01:52:37.960 --> 01:52:39.920
there's a lot of reasons to hang out here with

1891
01:52:40.079 --> 01:52:41.680
us at Trek talking because we've got a lot of

1892
01:52:41.720 --> 01:52:45.359
great stuff planned for you guys. We're gonna bring back

1893
01:52:45.439 --> 01:52:47.960
Comic Corner, We're gonna we might bring back Book Nook.

1894
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I've got a lot of guest stars planned. And let's

1895
01:52:50.720 --> 01:52:53.640
not forget fan films. We're gonna be We're gonna be

1896
01:52:54.000 --> 01:52:56.640
covering a lot of fan films as well. And with

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our new format, it's great because we can show the

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01:52:59.079 --> 01:53:01.439
fan film right here on the screen. We can all

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watch it together and talk about it. So that's it, guys,

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I mean, most excellent hosts, Uncle Jim, and I want

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to take a moment to say thank you so much

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to Eric for hanging out and Trek talking with us tonight.

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Thank you so much, Eric, Absolutely, gent's always a good

1904
01:53:17.479 --> 01:53:18.520
time hanging out with y'all.

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01:53:19.239 --> 01:53:20.960
And I want to say thank you to Paul as

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01:53:21.000 --> 01:53:23.039
well for hanging out and Trek talking with us tonight.

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01:53:23.119 --> 01:53:24.600
It was a lot of fun, Paul, thank.

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01:53:24.520 --> 01:53:29.000
You absolutely, And to all the folks involved in producing

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01:53:29.279 --> 01:53:33.680
and creating Star Trek in any capacity currently that live

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in the Los Angeles area, stay safe and our best

1911
01:53:38.640 --> 01:53:40.720
wishes to you. I hope you get through this and

1912
01:53:42.079 --> 01:53:45.039
can only imagine what it's like. But Hank tough and

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we're with you.

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01:53:47.159 --> 01:53:52.079
Yeah. Denise Crosby lost her house, Tashi are and I

1915
01:53:52.199 --> 01:53:54.279
put a post up on our Facebook page about that

1916
01:53:54.479 --> 01:53:58.760
she lost everything, so will go out to her. And

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of course I got to say thank you, thank you

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so much to David, my mister Scotti, my engineer, my

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01:54:03.039 --> 01:54:06.079
miracle worker. Thank you so much David for joining us

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01:54:06.079 --> 01:54:07.880
tonight and all the work you do on the podcast.

1921
01:54:08.359 --> 01:54:11.520
Yeah, it's really fun. I'm really Tooper excited about next week.

1922
01:54:11.600 --> 01:54:14.880
I can't wait to see what kind of flight shows

1923
01:54:14.920 --> 01:54:16.439
we can do with those. So we'll see.

1924
01:54:17.000 --> 01:54:19.800
Yeah, we'll get together and make it happen. And of course,

1925
01:54:19.840 --> 01:54:21.479
thank you so much to Charles for hanging out in

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01:54:21.520 --> 01:54:23.439
Trek Talker. Thank you so much to.

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01:54:25.359 --> 01:54:26.000
Talking about it.

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Absolutely was and I'm your most excellent host, Uncle Jim.

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Please everybody stay safe and be good to each other.

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Remember Star Trek fans are the best fans. Thank you

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for being a fan. Hailing frequencies are prosper. Good night, everybody,

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good night at all.

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Niel, All stations ready for departure, Sir, some problem RC,

1934
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just hoping this isn't the usual way of missions will go, sir.

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Oh no, no, well I'm sure most will be.

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Much more interesting. Let's see what's out there. Engage the

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warp course friendship okay, and we gotta wait till something