March 7, 2026

Episode 676- Starfleet Academy "Ko'Zeine" review

Episode 676- Starfleet Academy "Ko'Zeine" review
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In this episode, Uncle JIm and his crew analyze Starfleet Academy episode 7, "Ko'Zeine" exploring themes of obligation, personal dreams, and cultural traditions. We discuss character development, plot points, and fan reactions, providing insights into the storytelling and production choices. Join us as we explore the latest episodes of Star Trek, discuss fan reactions, and celebrate iconic actors' birthdays. We delve into episode analysis, production insights, and the future of the franchise, offering fans a comprehensive and engaging review

  • Themes of obligation and personal choice
  • Character development of Genesis and Derem
  • Cultural traditions in sci-fi (Cionian wedding) Episode analysis and critique
  • Fan reactions and community engagement
  • Actor birthdays and legacy
  • Franchise news and collectibles
  • Episode 7 explores the tension between duty and personal dreams.
  • Character growth is central, especially Genesis' decision-making.
  • Fan reactions highlight the episode's mixed reception and character focus.
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The series. Well, good evening, Trek. He's in trek at

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around the globe. It's Thursday, March fifth, twenty six. Welcome

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to episode six and seventy six of Trek Talking and Beyond.

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I'm your most as a host, Uncle Jim. Before we

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get too far, I just got to say that on

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Monday we had a special show and we talked to

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Gabriel Ruiz place Helene on Lower Decks And if you

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guys missed that interview, go to Trek Talking dot com

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and check it out, or or you can go to

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our Facebook page Trek Talking and Beyond and you can

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find the link to it there. She was a lot

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of fun to talk to, and I thank you. Guys

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might enjoy that. So, without any further ado, I'd like

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to introduce to you my awesome trucks Bursts. We'll start

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out with Paul, our boy guy. He's out in Portland.

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How you doing tonight, Paul?

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Hey there, man, I'm doing okay. I was just enjoying

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our little video montage there with the theme song, and

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I have to laugh that somehow through some preposterous momentum

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I don't know, to see that Saturn three is in

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there just blows my mind.

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I cannot.

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I cannot. How did Saturn three make the make the cut?

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Because I watched it. When I put.

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Okay, I got to ask you this real quick because

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I know you love the old stuff from the seventies

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and the eighties, Uncle Jim, did you ever watch Kolchak

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The Night's Talker?

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Oh god, yes, of course.

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We never talked about that on the show, but man,

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that was like, get you has seen that ever? I

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don't know, yeah, probably even heard of it, dude. It

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is like it was the show that inspired the X Files.

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It was Chris Carters basically said there would be no

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X Files cold Shack the Nights Talker. But that's been

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on my mind lately because I was just thinking about

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a cool show it was, and it just got reissued,

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So check it out.

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That was the Father from the Christmas Story Darren McGavin.

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Yeah, Darren McGavin, car Colechack. It's like it was two

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made for TV movies right originally and they were such

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huge ratings hits that they went ahead and did a

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series on But it's just fantastic, uh, crazy stuff. Really

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recommend it. Maybe one day we'll get the car Colechak

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in the theme.

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Song that now we're talking.

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Did you ever get a chance to check out Space

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Hunter Adventures in the Forbidden Zone?

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It is. It is officially on my list. I haven't

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had a chance to actually watch it, but the intention

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is absolutely there.

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Yeah, Petereah, it's great.

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Yeh.

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It turns out it's available for free through one of

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my services, so yeah, I'm allow.

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Yeah.

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Actually, the Uncle Jim, they'll pay you if you watch

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that movie.

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On the list, just like saying on three. They'll send

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you a check.

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Yeah. Yeah, I got thirty five cents for watching sat

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In three. It's like a road.

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Anyway, it's anyways, so partly we welcome to the show.

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Thank you very much, Jim. I I was just, you know,

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just before the show, I was trying to find my

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my warp slug and I just cannot find it anywhere.

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I feel like it's here somewhere, but I have to

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look forward after the show.

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But done, Oh they move Yale, they are.

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Almost steady. Man, oh man, you never know whats gonna

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go ye. And also from a really old American worker, David,

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how you doing?

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I'm not pretty good?

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But I'm not really sure how I feel about eating myself.

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I mean, what do you guys think.

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You have to be really a Limbert to do that?

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You have to be really Limbert.

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I'm doing great.

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I'm gonna have to adjust my color again.

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Now he's got a mouthful of da Oh my god,

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Oh good. I almos play to go to Las Vegas,

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because you know what they say, what happens in Vegas

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stays in Vegas.

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But well, I'm stuck. I'm stuck in the studio a

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because the palm tree, which got a trimming, is not swaying,

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it's waving. It's blowing in the wind today.

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So but Eric, I.

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it's gone now, maybe it's overhead, might be heading towards

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David's turtles.

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Oh, it's great, especially with everything that's going on out

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in the world today. Some insanity in our lives is

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always fun. We have a really great show playing for

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you guys tonight again as we're gonna be talking about

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Starfleet Academy Episode seven. Coisine as a cousin cuisine.

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I think it's zigne because typically you brounced the second vowel,

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so I would say cousine.

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I thought that's like a trigonometric function, right.

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A trigonmetric fund. Yes, it's a trigonometric functioning.

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When I thought about cosines and education.

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Paul didn't even call me on it.

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Okay, I'm I'm lending you guys. Just keep digging, keep digging.

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It's good.

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It's going to be a situating show. We also have

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our fans shoutouts as well, and that's where we're going

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on the globe. It's just like you out there are

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supporting cast, and we have our Cadet review with Charles.

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We have a fan reactions episode scores, which are not

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a I generated from Facebook page. What sci Fi actor,

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do you share a birthday with my birthday? And I'll

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ask for not least. What's going on right at Universe.

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We have a new Starship collection going on and some

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other interesting things. So we've got a lot of fun

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and we're going to start off the show as always

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with our fans. Shot for that, we do it, Yeah, Jim.

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This week our first fan shout out goes out to

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Christopher Grimes from England. Christopher Grimes, thank you for supporting

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our podcast. I wonder what you're doing right now. Let's

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see what is it. It's Friday, sometime in the late afternoon.

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I guess sat all right, it's eight hours ahead. Oh no,

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it's actually only the early morning. Well, anyway, when you're ready, Chris,

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spend some more time on our Facebook page, because you

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already do, and we really really appreciate that. We are

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also saying hello this week to Yuri Bando, who is

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saying hello to us from Yokohama, Japan. You sed toll

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live in Saint Louis, Missouri, back in the old us

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of a though you're a Bando. Thank you so much

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for supporting us in Japan. We don't get a ton

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of shout outs from there, so we really really do

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appreciate your support. Thank you as well to Vault vi Morees,

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who apparently hails from Bayo Horizonte in Brazil. And if

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I mispronounced any of that, I'm sorry, but I did

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try my best. Vault, thank you so much for supporting

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our podcast down there in Brazil. And last, but not least,

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on my list, I say hello this week to Stephen Murphy,

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who hails from a town called Mallow in County Cork, Ireland,

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sending us that beautiful Irish flag with four exclamation points,

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saying that they are a treky for life, and then

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they say STV and I can help, but wonder if

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that is a shout out? Well, never mind, damn it,

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mute him quick.

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Mute him. All right, Well, thank you, Eric. I would

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like to give a shout out and thank you to

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a Debbie Chicky. I think that's how you say it,

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uh from Michigan. Hey, welcome and thank you for supporting us.

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And again another thank you from Susan Ray from Wyoming.

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Next time my list is Jody Kennedy from Northeast Ohio.

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Second generation fan. Grew up watching it watching with my dad.

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Explanation point thank you for supporting us. And last time

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my list, Thank you to Derek Hage from Columbus, Ohio,

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United States giving us a smiley face, sunglasses and a

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live long and prosper signed So Charles, who's on your list?

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Oh?

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Thank you David. It started with Fai Stephens from Texas.

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I didn't practice this one. Welcome to You're my heart

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from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Welcome, Sorry if I messed up on

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your name on that one. It's interesting spelling, and welcome

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Sean McGill from Orlando, Florida, Orlando Beach, as Diona Deanna

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Troy suggests, right, it's a possible beach vacation spot for them. Yep,

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Orlando Beach sounds good. Orlando, Florida some amusement parks. Paul,

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who's on your list?

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Okay, Joe, I appreciate that, sir. Well, first of all,

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we're going to head back over to Europe, where we

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have all kinds of folks with raised eyebrows these days,

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wondering what the hell is going on. Well, first of all,

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I like to say hello to Saven Furk, who is

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saying hello to us from Potterborn. Potterborn is a city

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in West Germany has a very resplendent cathedral there, really

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quite amazing. So it's always great to hear from our

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friends in Germany. Hang in there, Sven, and crazy times,

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to be sure. So we salute you, and you salute

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us with your livelong and prosper That's what I like

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to see there, a little bit more than a decent

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train ride. If you leave Sven, you can go say

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hello to Popero Poveda in uer del Marquezado. That is

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absolutely gorgeous municipality in La Mancha, Spain. Books may have

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heard of the Man of La Mancha. Well, it could

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be that. Possibilities would be that Popero is a descendant.

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Perhaps you never know and fighting mythical buf fights against

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tilting at woodmills, so you never know what's going to

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go on in Guerta del Marqueesaldo. So thank you so much,

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Popero for saying hello to us, same language, different continent.

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Go to South America, to the phenomenal land of Colombia.

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And so the Bugata Bogata is where our buddy Maurzio

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Swatters lives. Another one of these vulcans down there. You

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never know where your vulcans are going to show up,

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do you. But we've got some right there in Bogata, Columbia,

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So Maurzio, is wonderful to hear from you. I love

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hearing from folks that are all over this planet. It

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makes me feel a little cozier with everybody, a little

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less freaked out. And then some of my homes saw

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I have to say hello to Tony Crawford. Tony, you

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were hailing us Warrington, Cheshire in England and then smack

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Dad between Liverpool and Manchester. I'd say, so great to

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know you're there. It's probably past your bedtime, are you, Tony.

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It's like almost one o'clock in the morning there, so

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hopefully you'll be hearing this in the morning and you're

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not up late listening to us tonight. But just great

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to know that we've got all these intergalactic intercontinental Star

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Trek fans who liked both Star Trek as a franchise

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and our humble podcast. Wouldn't you agree, Uncle Jim.

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Absolutely, we wouldn't be doing it with the support of

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all these awesome fans. Speaking of which I want to

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give a you shot to the top fan, which means

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that Joyce responds to a lot of the things we

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put on our Facebook page. Joyce el Stanfield, who's a

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halftime resident of Little Rock in Manhattan, New York City,

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Thank you, Joyce. I also want to say thank you

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to Jesse Garcia who's in Long Island. Thank you so much, Jesse.

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Not too far from Manhattan, actually not too far from

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the cod in the Yard. We also want to say

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hello and thank you to Robin brown Hult who's listening

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to us right now in western Massachusetts. Thank you, Robin.

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And last but not least, we're going to go all

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the way to Baltimore, Maryland and say hello to Jonathan James.

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Thank you so much. Guys. We appreciate all of your

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support and you you can find yourself mentioned on a

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fan shout off by going to our Facebook page Trek

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a pen post asking where you're listening from. Uh, just

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my attention. If you see heart next to your name

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friend is our fan shout outs for this week and

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now we're going to move on to our cadet training,

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and for that we turned to Charles.

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Oh, thank you, Jim. Maybe this week's a little bit

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thin in cadet training. That's like, really couldn't find a

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whole lot of Easter eggs. But definitely one that came

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to mind with TNG's Starship Mind season six, episode eighteen,

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that a mandatory hazardous and lisail Berry on Sweet Treemove

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accumulated radiation build up from the hull requiring the full,

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full full cruise evacuation, and that's where they had the

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people trying to sneak aboard and write and h bercard

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coming back in and kind of working against them. And

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then another one was lower Decks, where's the where pleasant

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Fountains Lie? Season two, episode seven, we discussed Prince Billups

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can make him king. So, Paul, would you like to

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Thank you, Charles. Absolutely, well, we're gonna chat about the

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seventh episode or the first season of Starfleet Academy tonight,

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and not a lot of heavy lifting with this one.

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a chance to i think, spend a good amount of

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the episode title iszine or cosine however you want to

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say it, and it refers to a coyonean tradition. Kyonea is,

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of course, one of the planets one of our characters

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is from, and in this tradition, basically the cosine or

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cosine is acting as an assistant or support person for

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a bride or bridegroom during a ceiling ceremony aka wedding.

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So it's a lot like being the best man or

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maid of honor in good Old Earth culture. Here, this

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episode is a little lower stakes compared to what we

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just had the previous week. It's more character focused in

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tone because we had a lot of dramatic events in

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that last episode, including a character demise. So when this

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episode begins, it's been about a month since that havoc

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ensued and everyone's kind of recovering. The cadets are all

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ready to hit the road and leave Starfleet Academy for

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what's all World's Day, some kind of a big celebration.

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It's basically as far as Starfleet Academy goes, it's like

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spring break. Everyone's going to go and do their thing right.

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dual plot in this episode. The first of all is

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where Darreham is from Coyonea and he's pulled into this

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arranged Coonean marriage and it's kind of crazy. He is

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seemingly abducted at first by this mysterious figure through some

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kind of a portal, and Jaden is like, what am

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I seeing here? And because he's a good guy and

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he values his friends, he follows him through the portal,

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only to discover it was not an actual abduction. It

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was marital abduction, which is a zany tradition from Darreham's people. Again,

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the Cooneans, So he's sort of there at Coonea with

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him right, and he discovers that Darreham is actually a prince.

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He's royalty and he is betrothed to a pre vices Kira,

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and due to his parents planned abdication, there's been an

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acceleration and the wedding has been moved up, which makes

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an awkward situation for Dream because he has to choose

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between his royal duties and getting married and his life

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is Starfleet that he's been planning to do for this

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whole amount of time. So the theme really emerges really

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quickly in terms of like what are you know you

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what do you want to do? Versus what are your

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everyone else expecting you to do? Which I think is

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a big theme that a lot of people can relate to. Now.

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Eventually later on during the episode, during the ceremony, Jaden,

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who we saw previous episodes is really you know, have

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some Twitter patients when it comes to like public speaking,

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right makes him very nervous. One of his responsibilities as

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this best man figure is to deliver a big moving

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speech right at the end and toast the groom. And

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so he finally does it, and he delivers a speech

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about the man that Darren has actually become at the

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somebody who values service and earned leadership. And when his

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Darren's betrothed, Princess Kayro hears this, realizes his heart's really

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in the academy. She releases him from his marriage, vows

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and nulls everything, and lets him return to Earth. So

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that's the main plot there. But meanwhile other stuff is

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going on because Caleb and Genesis have decided to stay

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at the school during spring break, kind of a Hermione

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Granger Harry Potter type deal, I would say, So they're

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staying on campus. Genesis is trying to alter her personnel

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file after being recommended for the pre command track by

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Chancellor Ake, which is like a real vote of confidence. Right, Oh,

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we're recommending you pre command. All of her aspirations are

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about to come true. So she convinces Caleb to help

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her sneak onto the bridge of the Athena. And now

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Caleb thinks they're just having a lot of fun being

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silly and rebellious and flirtatious, and what now Genesis is

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actually trying to use the access on the bridge to

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kind of delete her academy application letters of recommendation And

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why would one do that? What does she got to hide?

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And comes to light that because she altered them to

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hide what they really said. If she's motivated by fear

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of not being good enough, because it's kind of been

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an expectation in her family. You know, her dad's in

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the admiral, right that she would have course the cream rises,

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you will be in commander like everyone else. So she's

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got all that angst about that. She really wants to

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keep that what she did to those records, you know,

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tampering with records kind of a big deal. So she

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wants to make sure that people do not find out

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about that fear that she has. And of course, if

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you do things like this, friends, I know it's shocking,

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but prepare yourself. There are consequences when you do things

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like that, right, and they're caught Amander jet Reno, who says, paraphrasing,

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you're in a world of shit, friends, I remember saying it.

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Chancellor Ake is not happy, and so she punishes Genesis

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by removing her from consideration for the command track, and

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she sentences both her and Caleb to academic suspension and

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two hundred hours of menial labor. All right, So that's

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one plot ended up more favorable. One plot less. So again,

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where everyone's recovering from this big trauma in the events

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of the last episode, right where they lost one of

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their fellow cadets in the violence. So there's a lot

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of themes of healing from the trauma going on here. Caleb,

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in addition to hanging out with Genesis, is still struggling

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with his feelings for Trema. Sadal. She's out there on

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Beta's ed, recovering in a coma right, and he's having

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a very hard time sending a communication to her because

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he keeps writing these heartfelt missives and then deleting them.

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He's having a very hard time expressing him much like

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Jaden has a hard time expressing himself as well. So finally,

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by the end of the episode, he finally works up

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the nerve to send her an honest message, admitting his

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vulnerability and how difficult it is for him to reach

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out and connect the themes of this episode that I

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think would be good for us to talk about themes

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of obligation, themes of friendship, and the choice between personal

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dreams and familial expectations, right arranged marriages, your parents pressuring

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you to go into a particular line of work, those

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kind of things there, duty versus individual choice and desire.

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So that's kind of what we have for this particular

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episode here. I'm super curious to hear what our fans

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thought of this episode. Eric, do you have some choice

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quotes sliced up on your bread board for us?

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Well, luckily, Paul I do. In fact, Drew Nicholson gave

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it a nine It's a wonderful moment gathering breath after

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tragedy before plunging into what is likely to be three

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tightly knit episodes closing out the season. This episode deepens relationships,

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expands characterizations, and teaches us about leadership, expectations, and failure.

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Thanks Drew. Brian birch Told said seven point five for

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a light episode. It's really good. Not as silly as

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I was expecting, not that I would have minded for y'all.

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Hate in the dress, I think in reference to Jaden's clothing,

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I just think of it as a kilt. If he's

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got duplicates, redundant organs of everything, he's got a lot

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to air out under there. Thanks Brian. Uh Top. Fan

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Haley Quinn said really good. Nine for me. Gene Marciniak

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said great episode, nine point five. William Schwartz said I'll

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give it a four. The only thing that was actually

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good about the episode was the fact that they finally

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gave the ca character Genesis some real good character development

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at the end of the story. Beyond that, this episode

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was no different than the rest of them, slow, boring,

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and had absolutely nothing to do with Star Trek. Thanks William.

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Gail Stoltz said seven. For me, it was not very interesting.

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David Gables said solid seven. It was definitely not as

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action packed as the last one, but we did get

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some great character development for Darrem and Genesis, two characters

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who haven't gotten much focus yet. Rusty Langers said nine.

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Great character development episode, reminding me of old Trek. Doesn't

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always need to be big. Space battles strong first series

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compared to tng DS nine's first outings and entire Voyager.

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Thanks Rotsty, although I take exception. Jason Esperanto said nine.

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Great episode. Nice to see Darren not thinking only of

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himself for a change. Great development of friendship between him

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and Jaden back on Earth. It was interesting to see

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Genesis and Caleb both let their guards down around one another. Caleb,

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interestingly was more naturally open with Genesis than Terrema, who

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just brute forced her way unintentionally into Caleb's head, and

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it was fun to see that brief hint at the

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potential triangle between Caleb, Genesis, and Torema. Thanks Jason, interesting perspective.

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And Troy Shockley said it was fine. It was another

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character building episode and they're often not as strong, but

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you need world and character building to develop a new show.

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Give it a six point five nothing inherently wrong, entertaining,

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enough to watch, but not one you want to watch

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a second time. And that gives us a Amalgamated Fans

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score this week of seven point seven, which is actually

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our lowest for the season. Interestingly, still very respectable score,

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but the lowest for the season.

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Wow, what are you at all? So who wants to David?

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Would you like to jump in and go first? Maybe?

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Yeah, sure, I'll jump in. So this particular episode I

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didn't really enjoy that much. I have to kind of

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agree a little bit with William Swartz there who said

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that it was kind of slow and boring. I kinda

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just I don't know something about this particular episode. It

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was just really dragged on to me for some reason,

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and it was kind of pointless to me in a

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way to a point where it was just like, so

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I know that there was like a lot of character

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development stuff, but it was just kind of pointless when

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they went through the whole wedding ceremony, because for one,

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they didn't really go through the whole ceremony. It was

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just like kind of giving through here and there, and

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I was like, wow, they got married already, because the

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next thing, all of a sudden, you see him kissing.

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It was like okay, but yeah, to me, this episode

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didn't really get to take it from me, I I

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was kind of wanting to watch something else almost because

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it just felt really.

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Slow.

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Was really slow for me, That's all I could say.

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But other than that, Yeah, one of the some of

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the points I guess was they introduced a new alien species,

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the warped slug. I thought that was kind of interesting.

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And then uh, we know had like a big toe

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problem thing that was going on, and apparently she was

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talking to uh my gosh, what was that Giminar's name. Yes,

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And I just thought that was a little strange how

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she was panicking about like a dub toe something or

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whatever happened to her to I don't know that part

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would never really lane, but I guess that was supposed

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to be for last as heard, but it just felt

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a little out of character to me about why she

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was panicking like that show. I don't know. This episode

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just didn't really did it for me a show. I'm

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gonna probably give it a four point five.

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All right, I believe that's the lowest score we've ever

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gotten on any score of Starfleet Academy to date from

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many of our minions. So, uh, all right, how about you, Charles,

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what do you think can you beat? Can you beat

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a four point five? David?

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I can be the four point five? But I agree

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with some of the fan posts that it was there

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was some character development. Yes, we did give some character development.

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We did find out a little bit about this one

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culture and their beliefs and having the royalty family and

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having the wedding and okay, yeah, Mom had a little

467
00:30:07.160 --> 00:30:10.000
bit of a scare. They think they want to retire,

468
00:30:10.079 --> 00:30:12.200
then they got to get a new king and queen.

469
00:30:14.759 --> 00:30:17.640
Should be interesting where they have a group that's going

470
00:30:17.680 --> 00:30:21.960
to be led solely by a queen and not a

471
00:30:22.119 --> 00:30:30.400
king and queen. But that one I could see the

472
00:30:30.440 --> 00:30:33.240
story in there, But the story did kind of drag

473
00:30:33.359 --> 00:30:36.920
a little bit. I did like it where our best

474
00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:42.240
man did return and give a good speech that kind

475
00:30:42.279 --> 00:30:48.319
of promoted him to thinking, especially especially her, to where

476
00:30:48.359 --> 00:30:51.839
his focus really is. And he's got a more interest

477
00:30:52.039 --> 00:30:56.640
in Starfleet than he does dealing with the royal family

478
00:30:56.720 --> 00:31:04.559
and having to deal with the people of planet. I'm

479
00:31:04.599 --> 00:31:10.119
not sure. I'm not sure I'd want to go into

480
00:31:10.160 --> 00:31:18.039
a game of poisonous or not poisonous, sticking our hand

481
00:31:18.960 --> 00:31:22.160
toxic or non toxic, sticking my hand to a random jar.

482
00:31:22.319 --> 00:31:26.680
It's like, okay, yeah, let's put in. It's like, okay, yeah,

483
00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:31.519
it's toxic. Okay, let's put some put a few drugs

484
00:31:31.519 --> 00:31:36.599
in our system to go prevent us from passing out

485
00:31:38.079 --> 00:31:43.920
and releasing this poor warp slug which was contained probably

486
00:31:43.960 --> 00:31:48.920
for a reason in the first place. I did like

487
00:31:49.079 --> 00:31:55.599
the visits of explaining where people were going. I liked

488
00:31:55.599 --> 00:32:00.960
the idea of each cadets and the chances they're talking

489
00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:03.960
about where they're going to go, visit what they're gonna

490
00:32:04.000 --> 00:32:07.880
do for their little spring break, I guess you'd call it.

491
00:32:09.759 --> 00:32:12.440
So that was one seeing that and seeing them all

492
00:32:12.480 --> 00:32:15.880
come back and getting a look at the nice meteor

493
00:32:15.960 --> 00:32:24.799
shower that occurred. Uh, definitely, we learned a lot about

494
00:32:24.839 --> 00:32:29.839
our cadet and things she's hiding she does. We definitely

495
00:32:29.839 --> 00:32:32.680
have known to seeing her being a risk taker. Well

496
00:32:32.759 --> 00:32:36.440
this point she did take even more risk trying to

497
00:32:36.480 --> 00:32:40.759
get herself kicked out of the academy just to go

498
00:32:40.839 --> 00:32:45.839
in and try changing her records. And it'd been interesting

499
00:32:45.920 --> 00:32:48.880
to see what would have happened if they got ahold

500
00:32:48.920 --> 00:32:52.200
of her records to seeing what would happen with the interviews,

501
00:32:55.160 --> 00:33:00.759
so I could see the probation, poor little bit more

502
00:33:00.799 --> 00:33:01.480
probation and.

503
00:33:01.640 --> 00:33:06.440
To what he already had already.

504
00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:12.839
But I'm going to go with this one. Definitely my

505
00:33:13.000 --> 00:33:16.759
lowest of the season so far. I think I like

506
00:33:16.880 --> 00:33:19.759
that one fans of a seven point five.

507
00:33:22.680 --> 00:33:26.039
Seven point five, So I guess we'll continue going in

508
00:33:26.079 --> 00:33:28.839
the direction that we're going and I'll jump in here next.

509
00:33:29.599 --> 00:33:33.759
So a batlift club. That's awesome. I want to know

510
00:33:33.880 --> 00:33:37.119
more about the batlift club since we only have one

511
00:33:37.200 --> 00:33:40.759
Clement who's teaching the batlift club. I'm really interested to know.

512
00:33:41.480 --> 00:33:43.720
But they do have a batwidth club because I saw

513
00:33:43.759 --> 00:33:46.279
the poster on the wall.

514
00:33:47.079 --> 00:33:49.920
You know, you know who must be part of it,

515
00:33:50.119 --> 00:33:50.799
Uncle Jim.

516
00:33:52.160 --> 00:33:59.000
Das right, Ah, yes, absolutely, yes, she's probably responsible. So

517
00:33:59.039 --> 00:34:01.119
there was a blift club, and what could be better

518
00:34:01.160 --> 00:34:05.839
than that? Actually, actually, Eric han has touched my back lits.

519
00:34:05.920 --> 00:34:08.639
I got to pay it out there. Eric had touched it,

520
00:34:09.320 --> 00:34:12.079
Paul never touched it, David never touched it, and Charles

521
00:34:12.119 --> 00:34:16.599
never touched it. But Eric did, so Yeah, Eric touched it.

522
00:34:16.760 --> 00:34:19.559
In fact, I might even have pictures of Eric touching

523
00:34:19.599 --> 00:34:23.599
it taking around somewhere, So yeah, I want to know

524
00:34:23.599 --> 00:34:29.039
about the batlet. So that's one thing. Jaden, man, he

525
00:34:29.280 --> 00:34:31.519
there is that picture that he was going to bash

526
00:34:31.599 --> 00:34:33.719
the crap out of that dude with that big rock

527
00:34:33.920 --> 00:34:37.199
for abducting his friend. He was not a happy camper,

528
00:34:37.760 --> 00:34:43.039
which I think is awesome. Actually, yeah, look look how

529
00:34:43.039 --> 00:34:44.280
big he isn't imposing?

530
00:34:44.840 --> 00:34:48.239
He was me, hey, uncle Jim, what why do you think?

531
00:34:48.280 --> 00:34:50.639
I was just reminded by the last photo. Why do

532
00:34:50.679 --> 00:34:52.159
you think Jayden has such great.

533
00:34:51.960 --> 00:34:56.519
Teeth because of the dental plane? Is Star Free Academy.

534
00:35:03.199 --> 00:35:10.280
That was a great answer.

535
00:35:12.159 --> 00:35:16.559
So yeah, and I I agree with David. I thought

536
00:35:16.679 --> 00:35:20.039
that Jaden's speech was just was was was awesome and

537
00:35:20.079 --> 00:35:22.719
it said a lot about his character, his friendship with

538
00:35:22.840 --> 00:35:25.880
Ramie and Uh, it really was the canablys for the

539
00:35:25.920 --> 00:35:30.719
episode for her releasing him from his marriage. One thing, though,

540
00:35:31.320 --> 00:35:33.800
this is an awful trophy thing, because how don't we

541
00:35:33.880 --> 00:35:37.199
seen orange marriages on Star Trek on many other episodes

542
00:35:37.239 --> 00:35:41.599
like Deanna Troy and Uh and that dude there and

543
00:35:41.639 --> 00:35:48.679
Haven and then Spot into Onto Onto Pale. We've seen

544
00:35:48.719 --> 00:35:51.000
this before, so yeah, I.

545
00:35:50.960 --> 00:35:54.400
Mean, I mean, I mean, sure we have Jim, But

546
00:35:54.760 --> 00:35:56.840
I guess if you look at science fiction as kind

547
00:35:56.840 --> 00:35:59.639
of a reflection of the real world and real cultures

548
00:35:59.639 --> 00:36:03.719
and real people, plenty of cultures on the planet practice that.

549
00:36:03.880 --> 00:36:06.280
So it's you know, it wouldn't be out of line

550
00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:10.119
to have more than one culture that shows arranged marriage

551
00:36:10.159 --> 00:36:12.719
as part of their base belief.

552
00:36:13.280 --> 00:36:15.639
And I'd just like to throw in gentlemen also if

553
00:36:15.679 --> 00:36:19.320
I could. It's like we'd say, Okay, we've seen that before, right,

554
00:36:19.360 --> 00:36:21.320
we've seen that before, right, But a lot of times

555
00:36:21.400 --> 00:36:23.639
we've seen that before. It maybe from like ten to

556
00:36:23.679 --> 00:36:29.280
fifteen years ago. There's a constant stream of new audience

557
00:36:29.320 --> 00:36:32.920
members coming up who are of different ages, and they

558
00:36:33.000 --> 00:36:36.159
it's new to them. They're going through their life at

559
00:36:36.199 --> 00:36:39.039
a much earlier spot than we are, and so it's

560
00:36:39.079 --> 00:36:41.559
important for them to know. It's like, maybe you know,

561
00:36:41.639 --> 00:36:44.639
some show from like fifteen twenty years ago, they're probably

562
00:36:44.639 --> 00:36:47.880
not going to have seen right with as much dogma

563
00:36:47.880 --> 00:36:49.679
as we've got. But it's like, you know, you're like

564
00:36:49.800 --> 00:36:54.440
nineteen and you're currently dealing with the whole idea of

565
00:36:54.480 --> 00:36:57.039
my mom and dad are pressuring me to marry this

566
00:36:57.119 --> 00:37:00.719
person because of you know, family tradition or whatever, it's

567
00:37:00.760 --> 00:37:03.159
gonna resonate to you. So maybe it's on something that's

568
00:37:03.159 --> 00:37:05.599
been done before, but it hasn't been done for the

569
00:37:05.599 --> 00:37:08.840
current audience before. And because you know, they shouldn't have to,

570
00:37:09.000 --> 00:37:14.559
you know, constantly be refreshed, right because they're just showing

571
00:37:14.599 --> 00:37:15.920
up on the scene. So I think it's important to

572
00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:19.480
keep that in mind if things seem repetitious, right, because

573
00:37:20.079 --> 00:37:23.440
can new generations coming up they need the same lessons.

574
00:37:24.800 --> 00:37:31.559
Threw that And one thing I didn't understand is why

575
00:37:31.599 --> 00:37:34.079
aren't the cooneans Ionians.

576
00:37:36.039 --> 00:37:38.000
It's a great question, Jim, Like.

577
00:37:38.119 --> 00:37:40.960
Wouldn't they all be blue and scaly? Why would they

578
00:37:40.960 --> 00:37:46.440
be retaining their human his age if they're on their

579
00:37:46.519 --> 00:37:47.519
home planet.

580
00:37:48.320 --> 00:37:53.679
Well they talked about that, okay, so why they did

581
00:37:53.880 --> 00:37:57.239
They did talk about that. Yeah, I'm in a paraphrase.

582
00:37:57.239 --> 00:38:00.159
They're on like a right now. It's like where Kyonea is, right,

583
00:38:00.199 --> 00:38:02.159
Aren't they on like a moon for this ceremony?

584
00:38:02.360 --> 00:38:03.880
Yeah, they're on the stupid red moon.

585
00:38:03.960 --> 00:38:06.519
Yeah, and it used to be like an aquatic moon.

586
00:38:06.719 --> 00:38:11.880
But then there there was like more, uh. They they

587
00:38:11.920 --> 00:38:14.199
said there was another planet that they normally are on

588
00:38:14.800 --> 00:38:17.039
it's like their current home world and that's where they

589
00:38:17.079 --> 00:38:21.199
normally reside. They come here for this particular that.

590
00:38:21.239 --> 00:38:23.079
But that doesn't explain why they wouldn't show up in

591
00:38:23.119 --> 00:38:23.840
their natural.

592
00:38:23.599 --> 00:38:25.960
Form because it's not a water environment.

593
00:38:26.239 --> 00:38:28.400
But why would they be in human form? I mean,

594
00:38:28.440 --> 00:38:29.400
that doesn't make any sense.

595
00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:31.800
I don't know, That's just that was That's just what

596
00:38:31.840 --> 00:38:33.960
they explained on the show. I mean they didn't address it.

597
00:38:34.760 --> 00:38:38.719
Well, they they addressed they addressed why the and actually

598
00:38:38.800 --> 00:38:41.239
David try it, you know, was mentioning like the how

599
00:38:41.320 --> 00:38:43.239
the wedding was small and whatever. Remember we didn't get

600
00:38:43.280 --> 00:38:46.320
to see the wedding. We saw the pre wedding because

601
00:38:46.320 --> 00:38:49.760
it was called well yeah, and the pre wedding was

602
00:38:49.800 --> 00:38:51.599
going to happen on the moon and the real wedding

603
00:38:51.639 --> 00:38:54.000
was going to happen on the planet and the really.

604
00:38:55.760 --> 00:39:02.559
So now it was like the rill or you know whatever. Yeah,

605
00:39:02.599 --> 00:39:06.159
So that that was a question that I had. But

606
00:39:06.239 --> 00:39:10.079
I thought that the visuals were awesome as usual. And

607
00:39:10.280 --> 00:39:13.239
now let's let's jump back to uh to Genesis. There

608
00:39:13.280 --> 00:39:16.199
she is and Caleb. I thought it was this was

609
00:39:16.239 --> 00:39:19.800
a great episode for developing their their friendship. And I

610
00:39:19.800 --> 00:39:24.239
don't I don't think that there's more than a friendship there.

611
00:39:24.280 --> 00:39:27.079
I think there that they are just very close friends.

612
00:39:27.159 --> 00:39:31.719
I don't I don't see a love triangle there, as

613
00:39:31.760 --> 00:39:34.239
one of our fans had mentioned, I don't. I don't

614
00:39:34.239 --> 00:39:38.159
see her in Tarima uh getting jiggy with it with Caleb.

615
00:39:38.239 --> 00:39:41.599
I just don't see that. So, you know, I just

616
00:39:41.599 --> 00:39:44.440
think they're good friends. So there's that. I don't think

617
00:39:44.480 --> 00:39:48.559
that that that's there. Jet Reno stubbing her toe and

618
00:39:48.639 --> 00:39:51.599
talking with her her little space kit, and I found

619
00:39:51.599 --> 00:39:55.400
that humorous. She's like, well, I only have one toe

620
00:39:55.440 --> 00:39:58.800
and you have multiple toes, and she fixed her toe.

621
00:39:58.920 --> 00:40:02.039
She had to stay back hind and watched the reject

622
00:40:02.920 --> 00:40:08.159
at the academy. The work slug thing was interesting. We've

623
00:40:08.199 --> 00:40:12.599
never seen a warp slug, so that was fun. But

624
00:40:12.840 --> 00:40:19.840
Genesis changing her admission letters kind of cast some doubt

625
00:40:20.079 --> 00:40:24.360
on that character. I still like her. I still think

626
00:40:24.400 --> 00:40:29.239
that she definitely has that command style. I would follow her.

627
00:40:29.320 --> 00:40:34.039
She's very confident and very true to herself and very intelligent,

628
00:40:34.239 --> 00:40:36.880
and I still think that she would make a good captive,

629
00:40:36.960 --> 00:40:43.639
even though she altered her admission letters. That's again just

630
00:40:43.719 --> 00:40:48.800
my opinion. What else, what else, what else? What else?

631
00:40:48.800 --> 00:40:51.760
We didn't see much? Oh. I wanted to see Jaden

632
00:40:52.159 --> 00:40:57.400
wearing the Hawaiian shirt hang out on the beach of Hawaii.

633
00:40:57.440 --> 00:40:59.639
I think that's where they were going. Wasn't it Hawaii

634
00:40:59.679 --> 00:41:02.000
that he's he was going with Kyle?

635
00:41:02.559 --> 00:41:06.599
They were going to Abiza, the island of Abiza, which

636
00:41:06.840 --> 00:41:09.280
is Yeah, I think that is a small it was

637
00:41:09.280 --> 00:41:11.400
supposed to be a small island somewhere. I don't know

638
00:41:11.440 --> 00:41:13.000
if I don't think that's a real island.

639
00:41:13.039 --> 00:41:17.559
But I wanted to see Jaden like catching the Mediterranean.

640
00:41:18.039 --> 00:41:19.039
Is it a real island?

641
00:41:19.199 --> 00:41:25.559
Yeah, country, it's an archist Pelico of Spain.

642
00:41:26.360 --> 00:41:28.480
Okay, so that's over there. Okay, cool.

643
00:41:29.639 --> 00:41:32.320
So I would have loved to see Jaden, you know,

644
00:41:33.000 --> 00:41:37.679
catching an edge of doing some Hawaii five O serv right,

645
00:41:39.719 --> 00:41:43.400
so we know that Kyle and him are definitely I

646
00:41:43.440 --> 00:41:47.519
really like the way that scene ends where Jaden says

647
00:41:47.559 --> 00:41:50.400
You're still an asshole when he walks away and leaves

648
00:41:50.920 --> 00:41:54.960
leaves remis standing there. But yeah, this episode was a

649
00:41:55.320 --> 00:41:57.800
I think David was right. It's a lot slower, but

650
00:41:58.320 --> 00:42:00.360
like Paul said, we just came off of a of

651
00:42:00.400 --> 00:42:05.239
a really heavy episode where you know, they lost one cadet,

652
00:42:05.679 --> 00:42:09.360
Sam got fragged and their teacher got eaten alive and

653
00:42:09.400 --> 00:42:13.840
shot out the airlots. So that last episode was really heavy,

654
00:42:13.920 --> 00:42:17.480
heavy shit going on. So, you know, to come down

655
00:42:17.519 --> 00:42:20.360
from that with some light character development I think was

656
00:42:21.079 --> 00:42:26.800
definitely necessary after that, and the cadets are still dealing

657
00:42:26.840 --> 00:42:31.320
with that, with the you know, the drama of what happened,

658
00:42:31.360 --> 00:42:34.119
you know, the stress that they were under dealing with

659
00:42:34.199 --> 00:42:37.119
all that. So I didn't mind so much that they

660
00:42:37.159 --> 00:42:42.119
went in a lighter direction with this particular episode. I

661
00:42:42.239 --> 00:42:46.280
found it humorous to watch Holly Hunter try to pack

662
00:42:46.320 --> 00:42:49.679
her bag and have Caleb had to sit on top

663
00:42:49.719 --> 00:42:52.519
of it to get it closed. I thought that was funny.

664
00:42:52.679 --> 00:42:57.360
But overall, yeah, I think I'll go to seven point

665
00:42:57.360 --> 00:43:02.159
five or my score on this episode. It wasn't the best,

666
00:43:02.679 --> 00:43:06.599
but I think it was necessary. So that's that's my

667
00:43:06.679 --> 00:43:10.400
score and I'm sticking to it, all right, Eric, how

668
00:43:10.400 --> 00:43:13.239
about you? We'll keep going right along, all right?

669
00:43:13.559 --> 00:43:19.400
Uh? Well, you know, this episode has some good and

670
00:43:19.480 --> 00:43:25.159
some bad. For me. Right upon the opening, we say

671
00:43:25.280 --> 00:43:28.639
that the setting that we're gonna have is the galactic

672
00:43:28.800 --> 00:43:31.880
meteor shower, and I hate to be like the person

673
00:43:31.880 --> 00:43:36.360
who's like, oh, science, whatever the fuck is a galactic media.

674
00:43:36.519 --> 00:43:38.840
Nobody knows what a galactic meteor. This sounds like some

675
00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:41.840
kind of like a meteor shower is something that happens

676
00:43:41.880 --> 00:43:44.599
on a planet. Anyway, I just sort of set me

677
00:43:44.639 --> 00:43:47.000
off at first, but that was okay because then they

678
00:43:47.000 --> 00:43:48.400
had this story that they were going to tell me

679
00:43:48.480 --> 00:43:52.119
of spring break and sending everybody home, and immediately I

680
00:43:52.199 --> 00:43:54.960
started to think about, oh, yeah, this is gonna be

681
00:43:55.119 --> 00:43:59.119
like this is gonna be like Family from Next Generation

682
00:43:59.239 --> 00:44:03.119
where Picard goes home and he like you know, talks

683
00:44:03.159 --> 00:44:04.960
to his brother and you get like all this cool

684
00:44:05.079 --> 00:44:09.280
character development, or it's going to be like the episode

685
00:44:09.280 --> 00:44:14.519
of Enterprise where like Archer goes back to Earth and

686
00:44:14.559 --> 00:44:16.360
then you know, you find out that he's been involved

687
00:44:16.360 --> 00:44:20.280
with Erica Hernandez and you know, so I was like, Okay,

688
00:44:20.280 --> 00:44:22.519
this is great. We've got Caleb, he says he's going

689
00:44:22.559 --> 00:44:24.920
to stay with a host family, so we get to

690
00:44:25.000 --> 00:44:27.639
learn a little bit more about his host family. We've

691
00:44:27.679 --> 00:44:29.719
got Genesis who says that she's going to go and

692
00:44:29.800 --> 00:44:31.440
check out her family, and so we get to learn

693
00:44:31.480 --> 00:44:33.800
more about the Admiral and the mom and all this

694
00:44:33.840 --> 00:44:37.119
kind of stuff. We've got Sam who's glitching. She's going

695
00:44:37.159 --> 00:44:39.039
to go somewhere to get repaired, so we're gonna learn

696
00:44:39.039 --> 00:44:42.559
more about her. You've got Darren who's going home, so

697
00:44:42.559 --> 00:44:46.440
you're gonna learn more about him. And like, as the

698
00:44:46.920 --> 00:44:49.400
as I started to realize that I was not going

699
00:44:49.480 --> 00:44:51.719
to find out most of what I really wanted to

700
00:44:51.760 --> 00:44:55.079
find out in this episode, my interest just kind of

701
00:44:55.079 --> 00:44:58.719
started a plummet. So I started then to like watch

702
00:44:58.800 --> 00:45:01.159
this episode more critically. I couldn't help it now. I

703
00:45:01.199 --> 00:45:03.440
did watch it twice just to give it a fair shot.

704
00:45:03.559 --> 00:45:05.480
The first time I watched it, I was like, Jesus Christ,

705
00:45:05.519 --> 00:45:07.599
what's going on? The second time I watched it, I

706
00:45:07.599 --> 00:45:12.960
found more more good things. So okay, So beginning the

707
00:45:13.039 --> 00:45:16.960
setup is great. Unfortunately most of it is unrequited. We

708
00:45:17.039 --> 00:45:20.000
only get information kind of about Dream and a little

709
00:45:20.000 --> 00:45:24.559
bit about Jaden and the whole Genesis, Like, we never

710
00:45:24.599 --> 00:45:26.480
get to meet her family, we never get to meet

711
00:45:26.519 --> 00:45:28.719
any Caleb host family, We never get to find out

712
00:45:28.719 --> 00:45:32.639
anything about Sam. I did like at the very beginning,

713
00:45:32.679 --> 00:45:36.840
during that first scene where Ake comes to Genesis and

714
00:45:36.880 --> 00:45:40.719
she offers her the command track thing, and Genesis says

715
00:45:42.159 --> 00:45:45.360
what she's like everything is yes, yes, yes, it's you know,

716
00:45:45.480 --> 00:45:48.559
she just like super enthusiastic about it, And that to

717
00:45:48.599 --> 00:45:50.559
me was a great moment where you get to really

718
00:45:50.599 --> 00:45:55.400
see her character not just being enthusiastic, I think for

719
00:45:55.440 --> 00:45:57.840
the sake of her family, but it really felt to

720
00:45:57.880 --> 00:46:00.800
me like she was enthusiastic about that. He really wants

721
00:46:00.800 --> 00:46:05.199
to achieve this thing, you know, for herself. Of course,

722
00:46:05.199 --> 00:46:07.440
it gets a little derailed during this episode, but I

723
00:46:07.480 --> 00:46:10.719
did like that moment. Okay, so then we move on.

724
00:46:10.800 --> 00:46:15.360
We've got the scene with the packing the suitcase. I

725
00:46:17.280 --> 00:46:20.519
picked it apart against I was like this, like, this

726
00:46:20.639 --> 00:46:24.920
is exactly my suitcase in the thirty In a thousand

727
00:46:25.000 --> 00:46:26.800
years from now, they don't have like some kind of

728
00:46:26.800 --> 00:46:29.079
thing that is a better suitcase than this thing that

729
00:46:29.159 --> 00:46:32.000
you have to sit on and zip up and wheel

730
00:46:32.039 --> 00:46:36.039
away with a handle. So you know how some people say,

731
00:46:36.079 --> 00:46:39.119
like when somebody on the show says sane or they

732
00:46:39.199 --> 00:46:42.599
used colloquial language that is contemporary to the twenty first century,

733
00:46:42.639 --> 00:46:44.840
that pulls them out of the moment. That suitcase pulled

734
00:46:44.840 --> 00:46:45.480
me out of the moment.

735
00:46:45.519 --> 00:46:45.679
Man.

736
00:46:45.719 --> 00:46:47.400
I was like, there's got to be a better way

737
00:46:47.480 --> 00:46:50.320
to do packing in the thirty second century anyway. Okay,

738
00:46:50.360 --> 00:46:51.960
so then we still kind of like get into the

739
00:46:52.000 --> 00:46:55.360
two stories. We've got the Dremn story and we've got

740
00:46:55.400 --> 00:47:01.559
the Caleb and Genesis story on the story side. Here

741
00:47:01.599 --> 00:47:04.559
are some of my initial thoughts. I couldn't figure out

742
00:47:04.599 --> 00:47:08.920
why they put us on the moon, Like why didn't

743
00:47:08.960 --> 00:47:10.599
we just was it was?

744
00:47:10.639 --> 00:47:10.719
That?

745
00:47:10.800 --> 00:47:12.400
What it was, Paul, So they didn't have to go

746
00:47:12.440 --> 00:47:14.559
to the planet to show us the real fish people

747
00:47:14.679 --> 00:47:17.480
because they have to be human people on the dry

748
00:47:17.519 --> 00:47:19.440
moon or something. You're muted.

749
00:47:19.480 --> 00:47:23.039
But yeah, it would have been a big effects dollar sign. Okay,

750
00:47:23.079 --> 00:47:25.159
they're doing what they can with their equivalent of like

751
00:47:25.199 --> 00:47:27.639
the volume and stuff, but it always looks like hell, right,

752
00:47:27.679 --> 00:47:30.519
and it always looks fake. Okay, you know I think

753
00:47:30.719 --> 00:47:33.719
is this you know, makeup and blue and digitization. I

754
00:47:33.719 --> 00:47:35.519
think they tried to say, how do we do a

755
00:47:35.599 --> 00:47:38.599
show that's really inexpensive after last week? Right? And I

756
00:47:38.599 --> 00:47:41.440
think we'll send everyone on break. We'll do that, and

757
00:47:41.639 --> 00:47:43.800
you know, they've only got to really use a half

758
00:47:43.840 --> 00:47:47.599
dozen actors and you know this crazy projected wedding thing

759
00:47:47.679 --> 00:47:49.480
with you know, right, except.

760
00:47:49.159 --> 00:47:51.760
One of the places that you're actually going is the

761
00:47:51.800 --> 00:47:56.840
home world of a like aquatic species, so we're not

762
00:47:56.840 --> 00:48:01.079
going to go there. We're not going Yeah, it's kind of.

763
00:48:01.000 --> 00:48:03.199
A they kind of wrote themselves. Who knows what the

764
00:48:03.239 --> 00:48:05.119
first draft of the script was like, right, you know

765
00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:08.960
there's the stories, good, but no fish people, right, because

766
00:48:08.960 --> 00:48:11.239
there was just you know, you can just imagine, you know,

767
00:48:11.280 --> 00:48:13.239
the brain trust, the paramount with their ledges.

768
00:48:13.480 --> 00:48:16.519
So so let's let's put aside then the special effects

769
00:48:16.519 --> 00:48:18.760
and why they aren't actually on the planet and they're

770
00:48:18.760 --> 00:48:20.599
on some stupid moon, which probably all has to do

771
00:48:20.679 --> 00:48:28.440
with money. The entire season so far with Darream's character,

772
00:48:29.599 --> 00:48:32.280
he has been shown to be somebody who's beholden to

773
00:48:32.320 --> 00:48:37.719
the expectations of his family. And the one episode where

774
00:48:37.760 --> 00:48:41.800
we go to his home planet and we can potentially

775
00:48:41.840 --> 00:48:45.559
meet his family, we never meet his family. We never

776
00:48:45.639 --> 00:48:48.840
meet any of the dads, any of the mom's anything.

777
00:48:49.320 --> 00:48:51.960
It was like the biggest letdown that I could possibly

778
00:48:52.000 --> 00:48:55.960
imagine for this character. It was it was really irresponsible

779
00:48:55.960 --> 00:48:58.159
writing as far as I was concerned, So not meeting

780
00:48:58.239 --> 00:49:01.800
Darream's parents and then kind of having this like half

781
00:49:01.800 --> 00:49:04.280
fake wedding and stuff, all the Jaden stuff. Like I

782
00:49:04.280 --> 00:49:06.760
thought his speech was great. I love the idea of

783
00:49:06.840 --> 00:49:10.000
him coming along and becoming the cosine kind of off

784
00:49:10.000 --> 00:49:12.199
the cuff. That's kind of a surprising thing, and that

785
00:49:12.320 --> 00:49:15.320
was a fun part of the show. But the way

786
00:49:15.320 --> 00:49:17.800
they just actually like put together the story of the

787
00:49:17.800 --> 00:49:21.079
wedding and stuff felt really really clunky to me, and

788
00:49:21.119 --> 00:49:23.440
I didn't like it very much. Okay, so story B.

789
00:49:23.599 --> 00:49:27.639
Then you got the Caleb in Genesis story once again.

790
00:49:27.800 --> 00:49:30.239
It's very convenient that they both end up back at Starflate.

791
00:49:30.280 --> 00:49:32.400
Of course they have to for this story to happen, right,

792
00:49:32.480 --> 00:49:38.679
But Genesis once again like all season high achiever, the

793
00:49:38.719 --> 00:49:42.760
one chance we get to meet the admiral. Right, she's

794
00:49:42.800 --> 00:49:45.920
not actually gonna go home. We can't actually meet her dad.

795
00:49:46.280 --> 00:49:49.719
So it just really felt like a lost opportunity to me.

796
00:49:50.000 --> 00:49:54.119
Most of Caleb and Genesis's time together just felt like

797
00:49:54.920 --> 00:49:59.280
them goofing around and there wasn't like really too much happening.

798
00:50:00.760 --> 00:50:03.320
I don't mind the flirtatious stuff going on. I think

799
00:50:03.360 --> 00:50:05.960
that anybody who's in college is going to have those

800
00:50:06.039 --> 00:50:08.480
like flirtatious moments where it may or may not mean

801
00:50:08.480 --> 00:50:11.159
anything and it doesn't really even matter. Like I hope

802
00:50:11.159 --> 00:50:14.000
that there's never like a a what they call it

803
00:50:14.039 --> 00:50:15.800
a triangle moment or anything like that. I don't think

804
00:50:15.840 --> 00:50:18.960
the show really needs that, but it is normal for

805
00:50:19.000 --> 00:50:21.000
these kids to be like feeling things for each other

806
00:50:21.039 --> 00:50:24.440
when they're in an emotionally intimate moment with one another,

807
00:50:24.519 --> 00:50:27.039
So that part doesn't really bug me at all. I

808
00:50:27.079 --> 00:50:30.480
did like Genesis kind of like ultimate learning moment in

809
00:50:30.519 --> 00:50:35.400
the end, you know, after she betrays Caleb and kind

810
00:50:35.400 --> 00:50:37.599
of like, you know, the punishment she gets from Ak

811
00:50:37.800 --> 00:50:39.960
feels like she does learn something in the end, So

812
00:50:41.039 --> 00:50:45.119
I did like that. Finally, I just want to address

813
00:50:45.239 --> 00:50:48.800
kind of like the other sort of like romantic tension

814
00:50:48.800 --> 00:50:51.280
in the room, which is the Darren Jaden one, which

815
00:50:51.320 --> 00:50:54.000
I think a lot of people online are talking about.

816
00:50:54.519 --> 00:50:57.519
In this episode, we get Darren giving Jaden his coat

817
00:50:57.679 --> 00:51:01.519
right because Jaden's cold, blah blah blah, they're talking. I

818
00:51:01.639 --> 00:51:04.679
just want to be clear, I am not feeling like

819
00:51:04.800 --> 00:51:07.119
a tension between those two. I think that it's just

820
00:51:07.360 --> 00:51:10.360
two people who are really like starting to grow close

821
00:51:10.400 --> 00:51:12.639
to one another for various reasons. There was the breathing

822
00:51:12.719 --> 00:51:17.360
thing before. Now there's like this, oh my gosh, we

823
00:51:17.440 --> 00:51:20.039
ended up in this really weird scenario together and we're

824
00:51:20.079 --> 00:51:23.239
kind of feeling it out to want to together. So

825
00:51:24.599 --> 00:51:27.880
it still feels very platonic to me, and that's the

826
00:51:27.920 --> 00:51:31.559
way that I read the scenario. So I was disappointed

827
00:51:31.559 --> 00:51:32.920
that it was only a pre wedding and not a

828
00:51:32.960 --> 00:51:36.599
real wedding. That's okay, Like I said, the Jaden speech

829
00:51:36.679 --> 00:51:41.559
was okay. So in the end, I think at the

830
00:51:41.599 --> 00:51:44.320
start of the episode they said something about all World's Day.

831
00:51:44.400 --> 00:51:46.159
I still have no idea what that is or why

832
00:51:46.199 --> 00:51:49.199
it even mattered for this episode. It was literally nowhere

833
00:51:49.199 --> 00:51:54.199
else anywhere. Kyle shows up with a sunburn because apparently

834
00:51:54.440 --> 00:51:58.280
in the thirty second century they don't have sunblock anymore.

835
00:51:59.519 --> 00:52:01.519
So I don't know, just a lot of like little

836
00:52:01.639 --> 00:52:03.559
drop balls for me. That kind of made this one

837
00:52:03.639 --> 00:52:07.880
just a little bit less enjoyable. Decent character development, but

838
00:52:07.960 --> 00:52:10.960
like enough holes in it that I can't give it

839
00:52:11.000 --> 00:52:13.079
better than a six. I started with a five, and

840
00:52:13.119 --> 00:52:15.079
I kind of like, after the second time I watched it,

841
00:52:15.119 --> 00:52:16.880
I was like, no, I think it's a six. I'll

842
00:52:16.880 --> 00:52:18.800
give it a six because I did like it enough.

843
00:52:18.840 --> 00:52:21.480
I'll probably watch it at least one more time. It

844
00:52:21.599 --> 00:52:23.119
just didn't knock it out of the park at all

845
00:52:23.159 --> 00:52:25.880
for me, so Paul.

846
00:52:27.679 --> 00:52:31.280
Yeah, Yeah, some interesting points that everybody made. Yeah, it

847
00:52:31.320 --> 00:52:34.800
was an interesting episode. I mean it's it's tough if

848
00:52:34.840 --> 00:52:37.159
you come in on the heels of a big action

849
00:52:37.360 --> 00:52:40.639
episode where there's a lot of big, dynamic plot elements,

850
00:52:40.639 --> 00:52:45.239
including character death, right, And this is like the slow

851
00:52:45.519 --> 00:52:50.800
meditative you know, exhalation between you know, the next series

852
00:52:50.840 --> 00:52:54.920
of events. So it kind of just suffers a little

853
00:52:54.920 --> 00:52:57.880
bit because of the structure of that. So, but I

854
00:52:57.920 --> 00:53:02.679
admire the under endings of the theme though I liked it.

855
00:53:02.719 --> 00:53:05.440
A lot of the focus was about like trying to

856
00:53:05.480 --> 00:53:08.840
find your own how do you charge you because everyone's

857
00:53:08.880 --> 00:53:12.239
juggling with this in this whole set of characters, Right,

858
00:53:12.519 --> 00:53:15.400
how do you juggle being true to yourself when the

859
00:53:15.440 --> 00:53:18.760
expectations of everyone else has for you, including your peers,

860
00:53:19.119 --> 00:53:22.480
your parents. I mean, probably nobody has got a tougher

861
00:53:22.599 --> 00:53:26.920
road to hoe with that than Jaden, really, I would say, right,

862
00:53:26.960 --> 00:53:30.880
because he's really swimming upstream against you know, the larger

863
00:53:31.079 --> 00:53:35.639
forces of klingon society and expectations and gender and all

864
00:53:35.679 --> 00:53:39.159
those things. Right, So I find it interesting that they're

865
00:53:39.199 --> 00:53:45.000
addressing those things thematically, and I think this episode looks

866
00:53:45.039 --> 00:53:47.960
a little bit better when you've seen the subsequent episode

867
00:53:48.000 --> 00:53:50.719
next week that I'm super excited to talk about. We're

868
00:53:50.719 --> 00:53:54.079
a week behind or so in terms of our reviews

869
00:53:54.079 --> 00:53:56.760
because of guests, so I'm really excited to talk about

870
00:53:56.840 --> 00:54:01.119
next week's episode when we convene again in here next week.

871
00:54:01.440 --> 00:54:03.800
But I think that, you know, I like to fit

872
00:54:03.960 --> 00:54:06.280
them together, and I think that this one kind of

873
00:54:06.320 --> 00:54:09.559
compliments where we're going in a good way. I still

874
00:54:09.559 --> 00:54:15.400
think that I I like the wedding itself the least

875
00:54:15.679 --> 00:54:17.800
of this whole episode, right. I do think it was

876
00:54:17.880 --> 00:54:21.400
kind of like, you know, okay, let's get those projected

877
00:54:21.400 --> 00:54:23.280
special effects and make it look like we have a

878
00:54:23.360 --> 00:54:27.199
huge thing. And these costumes were, you know, kind of

879
00:54:27.800 --> 00:54:31.719
they felt instantly assembled. And I felt like the writing

880
00:54:31.800 --> 00:54:33.880
seemed like it was like either a first draft script

881
00:54:34.400 --> 00:54:37.639
that didn't go through enough subsequent drafts, right, or it

882
00:54:37.679 --> 00:54:40.960
was a draft that had been at some point trying

883
00:54:41.000 --> 00:54:42.719
to do something bigger and it really got cut to

884
00:54:42.719 --> 00:54:45.480
the ribbons because of budgetary constraints. I don't know which

885
00:54:45.519 --> 00:54:46.840
of those two situations it was.

886
00:54:47.039 --> 00:54:50.679
I mean, it seems they had to write to match

887
00:54:50.760 --> 00:54:53.519
the budget, because why else would you put something on

888
00:54:53.559 --> 00:54:57.039
a weird moon that looks exactly like Vulcan from Strange

889
00:54:57.079 --> 00:55:01.440
New Worlds. Why you know, why else would you not

890
00:55:01.639 --> 00:55:03.639
like make the Coyonians blue.

891
00:55:04.679 --> 00:55:06.480
I mean, there's so many other creative ways I could

892
00:55:06.519 --> 00:55:08.840
have done that. Money was a problem, right that basically,

893
00:55:08.920 --> 00:55:11.679
like they could all be know, the princess's betrothed to,

894
00:55:13.079 --> 00:55:15.440
you know, and the two guys. They could all be

895
00:55:15.519 --> 00:55:17.679
trapped on a shuttle craft together going back to the

896
00:55:17.719 --> 00:55:20.320
home world. Right, that costs nothing. You just put them

897
00:55:20.320 --> 00:55:22.559
in a shuttle and they have a bunch of dialogue scenes,

898
00:55:22.840 --> 00:55:25.599
all right. But to have this you know, kind of

899
00:55:26.360 --> 00:55:30.400
nonsensical faux effects thing that they do a lot on

900
00:55:30.440 --> 00:55:33.039
the Star Trek shows, right, with a big projected volume

901
00:55:33.119 --> 00:55:37.000
type effects, and it's it's it's it's tarting to look

902
00:55:37.000 --> 00:55:40.760
pretty transparent to me. So but I still I love

903
00:55:40.800 --> 00:55:43.679
this cast. I think it's a really engaging cast. I

904
00:55:43.760 --> 00:55:45.679
like all these actors, I like all these characters, so

905
00:55:45.719 --> 00:55:47.920
there's a lot for me to like. I am trying

906
00:55:47.920 --> 00:55:50.599
really hard these days to like things more than not

907
00:55:50.719 --> 00:55:55.199
like them, if I can. I think it's necessary in

908
00:55:55.239 --> 00:55:57.639
these times. So I think I'm going to land with

909
00:55:58.440 --> 00:56:02.440
a solid seven for this episode. I was tempted to

910
00:56:02.440 --> 00:56:04.679
go a little higher, but I want to save myself

911
00:56:04.719 --> 00:56:06.880
for next week because I was quite fond of the

912
00:56:06.880 --> 00:56:08.840
subsequent episode that we had there. So let's call it

913
00:56:08.880 --> 00:56:12.039
a seven and uh and leave it at that, and

914
00:56:12.079 --> 00:56:14.880
we'll see what we have. Tonight is bizarrely, tonight is

915
00:56:14.880 --> 00:56:17.760
the penultimate episode of this season. That blows my mind.

916
00:56:18.320 --> 00:56:20.960
Penultimate for those of you not in the no I

917
00:56:21.000 --> 00:56:25.159
means second to last anticlimactic episode. Next week's the finale

918
00:56:25.159 --> 00:56:27.599
after that. I can't believe it. So it's the season's

919
00:56:27.639 --> 00:56:29.440
been flying anywhere else?

920
00:56:29.559 --> 00:56:31.559
Did anyone else think this episode would more of a

921
00:56:31.599 --> 00:56:34.119
filler episode of the season.

922
00:56:35.880 --> 00:56:38.559
Well, it was a It was a bottle episode, that's

923
00:56:38.599 --> 00:56:42.039
for sure. Okay, it was a bottle episode.

924
00:56:42.760 --> 00:56:44.800
I think for some reason, I think it would have

925
00:56:44.800 --> 00:56:46.880
been a whole lot better if the doctor was than

926
00:56:46.960 --> 00:56:49.679
this episode. He was missing completely throughout the whole thing,

927
00:56:49.679 --> 00:56:51.199
and I was like, man, where's the doctor?

928
00:56:52.239 --> 00:56:55.400
Really gets a lot of FaceTime next week, though, It's

929
00:56:55.440 --> 00:56:57.199
just I think they try to spread the wealth, and

930
00:56:57.320 --> 00:57:00.320
you know, some episodes feature somebody a little but were

931
00:57:00.360 --> 00:57:03.559
prominently others, you know, take their turn at that next week.

932
00:57:03.840 --> 00:57:06.800
I think so, But yeah, I just I try to

933
00:57:06.880 --> 00:57:09.480
judge these episodes is if you're looking at the season

934
00:57:09.519 --> 00:57:13.119
as a story, right, and you know with the different

935
00:57:13.119 --> 00:57:15.840
components put in the way and how they fit together.

936
00:57:16.199 --> 00:57:17.920
That's how they try to look at them, if I can.

937
00:57:19.199 --> 00:57:22.239
I think that this episode and next week's episode should

938
00:57:22.239 --> 00:57:25.039
have been flipped. I think this one should have I

939
00:57:25.039 --> 00:57:29.679
think we should have saw this episode after next week's episode,

940
00:57:29.719 --> 00:57:31.679
and I think it would have It would have flowed

941
00:57:31.760 --> 00:57:36.199
better in my opinion. What's don mean, jack Ship? But

942
00:57:36.239 --> 00:57:39.480
I'm just saying I think that it might have flowed

943
00:57:39.519 --> 00:57:41.400
better had they been flipped.

944
00:57:41.800 --> 00:57:42.920
Is this a boiler alert?

945
00:57:43.639 --> 00:57:48.199
But I don't know. We'll see, We'll see what everyone thinks. So, Charles,

946
00:57:48.199 --> 00:57:53.119
what's the overall Truck's First Versus Minions score?

947
00:57:55.239 --> 00:58:00.639
All right, well, our fans gave it a seven point seven.

948
00:58:02.039 --> 00:58:05.679
The host only gave it a six point five.

949
00:58:07.559 --> 00:58:07.840
Wow.

950
00:58:08.599 --> 00:58:10.880
Wait, oh because of David's four.

951
00:58:10.719 --> 00:58:12.039
Right, David's more.

952
00:58:17.079 --> 00:58:20.400
We all.

953
00:58:22.400 --> 00:58:22.760
Alright?

954
00:58:23.840 --> 00:58:27.559
All right, that's cool. So yeah, the guys are Truck

955
00:58:27.599 --> 00:58:31.320
Sports versus our Minions. Please make sure you go over

956
00:58:31.400 --> 00:58:35.000
to Truck Talking and Beyond and have your opinion for

957
00:58:36.440 --> 00:58:38.840
tell us what you thought about the episode. And I

958
00:58:38.880 --> 00:58:40.840
don't know if you've know this, but just saying just

959
00:58:40.840 --> 00:58:44.119
giving a number probably won't get you on the show.

960
00:58:44.199 --> 00:58:48.280
But if you explain your score, chances down I'm going

961
00:58:48.360 --> 00:58:51.119
to pick your explanation and put it on air, So

962
00:58:51.159 --> 00:58:55.079
please please do that or I haven't even a better idea.

963
00:58:55.159 --> 00:58:58.920
No one has taken advantage of this yet, but you

964
00:58:59.000 --> 00:59:02.239
can go to truckk dot com, click on the green

965
00:59:02.320 --> 00:59:04.599
microphone in the bottom of my hand corner and we

966
00:59:04.880 --> 00:59:07.800
pulled your score. Tell us what you thought about the

967
00:59:07.840 --> 00:59:12.360
episode and why, And I guarantee you that anybody that

968
00:59:12.480 --> 00:59:15.920
records a message, that message will be played on the

969
00:59:16.000 --> 00:59:19.639
air the following week, So please think about doing that,

970
00:59:20.519 --> 00:59:25.119
all right. I Well, that wraps up our discussion, uh

971
00:59:25.400 --> 00:59:29.679
for this week. Uh, and now it is time for

972
00:59:30.559 --> 00:59:51.280
sci Fi Birthdays. You're ready. That was not a clean

973
00:59:51.400 --> 00:59:55.639
on song alway, guys, we always start off our sci

974
00:59:55.639 --> 00:59:58.719
fi birthdays remembering those members of our sci fi family,

975
00:59:58.960 --> 01:00:02.519
sadly enough, are no longer with us after that return.

976
01:00:03.800 --> 01:00:06.599
Yeah, Jim, we only have six this week, but there

977
01:00:06.679 --> 01:00:10.559
are some heavy hitters in here. The first is we

978
01:00:10.639 --> 01:00:14.480
are honoring actor William Dennis Hunt, who portrayed the klingon

979
01:00:14.960 --> 01:00:18.400
Hiraga in the Deep Space nine four season episode The

980
01:00:18.440 --> 01:00:23.480
Way of the Warrior. William Hunt had many many TV credits.

981
01:00:24.000 --> 01:00:27.199
You can go to his IMDb, but anything from sitcoms

982
01:00:27.239 --> 01:00:31.079
to sci fi, including Babylon Five to La Law and

983
01:00:31.320 --> 01:00:36.039
NPD NYPD Blue, all all over the place. He also

984
01:00:36.119 --> 01:00:38.320
had a couple of film roles along the way. The

985
01:00:38.360 --> 01:00:41.320
things that I know him for are He was in

986
01:00:41.400 --> 01:00:45.039
Critters three, but he was also in the movie Chaplain.

987
01:00:45.599 --> 01:00:49.159
So William Dennis Hunt lost back in twenty twenty at

988
01:00:49.159 --> 01:00:52.519
the age of seventy six years old. Happy Birthday to him.

989
01:00:52.719 --> 01:00:55.760
Happy birthday as well to Anne Haney, the actress who

990
01:00:55.800 --> 01:00:59.719
portrayed the role of Rishawn Ucksbridge in The Next Generation

991
01:00:59.760 --> 01:01:04.159
third season episode The Survivors. She also played Elsra Nora

992
01:01:04.320 --> 01:01:07.920
in the Deep Space nine first season episode Dax. And

993
01:01:08.199 --> 01:01:11.440
Hainey held prominent roles acting on stage, on the screen,

994
01:01:11.559 --> 01:01:15.519
and on television throughout her career. All these achievements came

995
01:01:15.559 --> 01:01:18.760
to her in her mid forties, after she had raised

996
01:01:18.760 --> 01:01:21.519
a daughter and buried a husband. It wasn't until after

997
01:01:21.559 --> 01:01:24.480
she had packed her daughter off to college and quote

998
01:01:24.840 --> 01:01:27.920
the Maid quit as she said that she decided to

999
01:01:27.960 --> 01:01:32.119
try her hand at acting. So three cheers for getting

1000
01:01:32.239 --> 01:01:34.360
active in your middle years.

1001
01:01:34.360 --> 01:01:34.599
Here.

1002
01:01:35.000 --> 01:01:37.559
She was a regular on the television series Mama's Family

1003
01:01:37.559 --> 01:01:40.000
from eighty six to eighty nine, and had a recurring

1004
01:01:40.039 --> 01:01:43.199
role as Judge Marilyn Travellini on the television series La

1005
01:01:43.360 --> 01:01:46.880
Law from nineteen eighty six through nineteen ninety four. That's

1006
01:01:46.960 --> 01:01:50.199
eight years for those of you mathing along with us.

1007
01:01:50.519 --> 01:01:54.639
She also appeared in two episodes of Quantum Leap and

1008
01:01:54.920 --> 01:01:58.000
also appeared on Big Ben Country and a couple of

1009
01:01:58.039 --> 01:02:00.920
other things along the way. So and Haney very accomplished.

1010
01:02:01.519 --> 01:02:04.360
I think a couple of seminal roles, I would say

1011
01:02:04.960 --> 01:02:08.920
in Star Trek here, and I really just appreciate her.

1012
01:02:09.119 --> 01:02:11.400
Unfortunately lost her a long time ago. Two thousand and one.

1013
01:02:11.800 --> 01:02:15.840
Happy birthday to Ann Hainey. Happy birthday to John Hancock.

1014
01:02:17.039 --> 01:02:19.719
That's right. John Hancock was the actor who played Vice

1015
01:02:19.760 --> 01:02:22.559
Admiral Hayden, one of the good Ones, in Next Generation's

1016
01:02:22.639 --> 01:02:26.440
third and four season episodes The Defector and the Wounded.

1017
01:02:27.039 --> 01:02:29.760
He started work as an actor in the late nineteen sixties,

1018
01:02:29.760 --> 01:02:32.800
and his film credits include the comedy sequel Airplane Two.

1019
01:02:34.199 --> 01:02:36.920
He was also in Ten in nineteen seventy nine with

1020
01:02:37.000 --> 01:02:40.440
Denise Crosby, and he played Scottie in the mini series

1021
01:02:40.599 --> 01:02:45.079
Roots The Next Generation from nineteen seventy nine. Most people

1022
01:02:45.079 --> 01:02:47.719
probably know him from his reoccurring role as Judge Richard

1023
01:02:47.880 --> 01:02:51.119
Armand on the drama television series La Law from nineteen

1024
01:02:51.119 --> 01:02:54.559
eighty six to nineteen ninety one, or perhaps as Deputy

1025
01:02:54.599 --> 01:02:59.480
Commissioner Hank Bishop in the comedy series Pacific Station. Happy

1026
01:02:59.480 --> 01:03:03.280
Birthday teo to John Hancock Happy Birthday as well to

1027
01:03:03.400 --> 01:03:08.199
Samantha Egger, the Academy Award nominated British actress who portrayed

1028
01:03:08.599 --> 01:03:12.639
Marie Precard in the Next Genuration four season episode Family,

1029
01:03:12.679 --> 01:03:17.239
which I was just mentioning with respect to this episode.

1030
01:03:17.320 --> 01:03:20.920
Egger was nominated for an Academy Award for her performance

1031
01:03:20.960 --> 01:03:24.360
in the nineteen sixty five film The Collector, making her

1032
01:03:24.440 --> 01:03:27.800
one of only six Star Trek performers nominated in the

1033
01:03:27.880 --> 01:03:31.719
category for Best Actress in a Leading Role. In case

1034
01:03:31.760 --> 01:03:34.320
you're wondering who the others are, We've got Gene Simmons,

1035
01:03:34.480 --> 01:03:38.199
not that one, Jim Louise Fletcher, Winoda, writer Whoopi Goldberg,

1036
01:03:38.239 --> 01:03:41.079
and Michelle Yohe with Fletcher and yo being the only

1037
01:03:41.159 --> 01:03:45.119
two winners. Samantha Agger also won a Golden Globe for

1038
01:03:45.159 --> 01:03:47.880
her portrayal in The Collector and was named Best Actress

1039
01:03:47.960 --> 01:03:52.400
at the can Film Festival. This really launched her career,

1040
01:03:52.440 --> 01:03:56.280
and she did a ton of stuff after that, including

1041
01:03:57.039 --> 01:04:00.280
Seven Percent Solution from nineteen seventy six. Now, if that

1042
01:04:00.320 --> 01:04:02.920
sounds familiar, that of course is based on the novel

1043
01:04:02.920 --> 01:04:05.559
by Star Trek film writer and director Nicholas Meyer, who

1044
01:04:05.559 --> 01:04:09.880
we talked to on this podcast. So Samantha Eggar was

1045
01:04:09.920 --> 01:04:14.480
in the film based version of that story. Happy Birthday

1046
01:04:14.880 --> 01:04:18.280
to Samantha Egger. We lost her just this past October,

1047
01:04:19.079 --> 01:04:22.920
October fifteenth, twenty twenty five. Happy birthday to her. Happy

1048
01:04:22.960 --> 01:04:26.719
birthday to Dean Stockwell, the award winning actor who portrayed

1049
01:04:26.800 --> 01:04:31.119
Gratt in the enterprise for season episode Detain. But of

1050
01:04:31.159 --> 01:04:33.039
course that's not where we all know him from, right.

1051
01:04:33.360 --> 01:04:35.639
We really know him for his four time Emmy Award

1052
01:04:35.719 --> 01:04:39.960
nominated role as Rear Admiral Albert Al Klavici in Quantum

1053
01:04:40.039 --> 01:04:42.679
Leap from nineteen eighty nine through nineteen ninety three, in

1054
01:04:42.719 --> 01:04:45.519
which he co starred, of course, with Scott Bacula, with

1055
01:04:45.559 --> 01:04:51.000
whom he appeared in this episode. Dean Stockwell had a

1056
01:04:51.039 --> 01:04:55.519
prior association, of course, with Bacula. In nineteen fifty seven,

1057
01:04:55.639 --> 01:04:58.679
Dean Stockwell was only twenty one years old and he

1058
01:04:58.719 --> 01:05:03.159
crossed over with Jeffrey Hunter in The Western Gun for

1059
01:05:03.360 --> 01:05:06.440
a Coward, which I thought was kind of interesting. I

1060
01:05:06.519 --> 01:05:09.559
of course first became aware of Dean Stockwell for one

1061
01:05:09.559 --> 01:05:12.320
of his two film roles from director David Lynch. He

1062
01:05:12.360 --> 01:05:15.760
of course played Doctor U in nineteen eighty four's Dune.

1063
01:05:16.400 --> 01:05:20.280
He also played Ben in nineteen eighty six's Blue Velvet,

1064
01:05:21.159 --> 01:05:26.639
who featured Braddorff. If you don't know who that is,

1065
01:05:26.679 --> 01:05:29.960
that was lawn Suitor from back in the day. A

1066
01:05:30.079 --> 01:05:32.800
couple of other things along the way, including crossovers with

1067
01:05:32.880 --> 01:05:36.159
Ronald D. Moore in Battlestar Galactica, which I just thought

1068
01:05:36.199 --> 01:05:39.960
was a fantastic role. Of course, Stockwell reunited with Scott

1069
01:05:39.960 --> 01:05:42.519
Backley one more time in twenty fourteen for an episode

1070
01:05:42.519 --> 01:05:46.079
of NCIS New Orleans, so that was kind of fun.

1071
01:05:46.639 --> 01:05:51.760
Happy birthday to Dean Stockwell lost back in twenty twenty one. Last,

1072
01:05:51.760 --> 01:05:54.239
but not least, we have one of the big ones,

1073
01:05:54.400 --> 01:05:59.119
that's right. Happy Birthday to James Jimmy Montgomery Douhan portraying

1074
01:06:00.039 --> 01:06:04.599
Montgomery Scotty Scott on The Star Trek, the original series

1075
01:06:04.639 --> 01:06:07.280
and in the first seven Star Trek movies. He also

1076
01:06:07.320 --> 01:06:10.519
appeared on the Next Generation episode Relics and in the

1077
01:06:10.639 --> 01:06:13.840
archive footage to use in the Deep Space nine episode

1078
01:06:13.880 --> 01:06:17.800
Trials and Tribulations. His work as Scotty ranged over a

1079
01:06:17.920 --> 01:06:20.960
twenty nine year period, with his first being in Where

1080
01:06:21.000 --> 01:06:24.840
No Man Has Gone Before and continuing on to Star

1081
01:06:24.960 --> 01:06:31.079
Trek Generations in nineteen ninety four. Dewan was born in Vancouver,

1082
01:06:31.119 --> 01:06:34.280
British Columbia, in nineteen twenty and of course a lot

1083
01:06:34.320 --> 01:06:38.039
of people know several stories about him, but after the

1084
01:06:38.079 --> 01:06:41.199
outbreak of the Second World War, he was only nineteen

1085
01:06:41.280 --> 01:06:43.480
years old and he enlisted as a gunner in the

1086
01:06:43.639 --> 01:06:48.039
Royal Canadian Artillery. And in fact, on June sixth, nineteen

1087
01:06:48.119 --> 01:06:51.599
forty four, Dewin, who had been promoted by that time

1088
01:06:51.679 --> 01:06:55.400
to command Post Officer, which is a captain sort of equivalent,

1089
01:06:56.039 --> 01:06:59.920
was amongst the Canadian Canadian forces sent to take June

1090
01:07:00.239 --> 01:07:03.320
Beach in Normandy as part of the D Day invasion.

1091
01:07:03.360 --> 01:07:05.800
That's right. He was in command of one hundred and

1092
01:07:05.800 --> 01:07:10.360
twenty men and successfully took his beach. He was only

1093
01:07:10.599 --> 01:07:14.519
twenty four years old at the time. Amazing. You can

1094
01:07:14.559 --> 01:07:17.960
read all kinds of stuff about his military career, about

1095
01:07:17.960 --> 01:07:20.039
the fact that he doesn't really have a Scottish accent,

1096
01:07:20.079 --> 01:07:22.159
but he's just really good at accents and did a

1097
01:07:22.199 --> 01:07:26.679
lot a lot of voice over work throughout the years.

1098
01:07:26.840 --> 01:07:29.719
I will say that, just to put it in perspective.

1099
01:07:29.760 --> 01:07:31.880
This is a fun little tidbit that I found. For

1100
01:07:31.920 --> 01:07:35.440
the first season. Duwan's contract allowed him to appear in

1101
01:07:35.480 --> 01:07:38.960
only five episodes out of thirteen, and he got eight

1102
01:07:39.039 --> 01:07:42.280
hundred and fifty dollars for each episode. So there you go.

1103
01:07:42.400 --> 01:07:45.199
That's what inflation will do for you. Happy birthday to

1104
01:07:45.480 --> 01:07:48.440
James Dowan. And I'm going to pass this flaming birthday

1105
01:07:48.480 --> 01:07:50.760
candle at this point over to David.

1106
01:07:51.159 --> 01:07:53.599
Oh, thank you. Yeah, I'm not going to have too

1107
01:07:53.639 --> 01:07:55.920
much information, but let me put on my focal for

1108
01:07:56.000 --> 01:07:59.719
him here I can see what I'm looking at. But yeah,

1109
01:07:59.760 --> 01:08:05.119
I want to say Happy birthday to Stephanie Beachham. I

1110
01:08:05.159 --> 01:08:07.920
think that's how you pronounced it, or Beckham, I'm not sure.

1111
01:08:09.280 --> 01:08:14.000
She's a British actress who played Regina Bartholomew in the

1112
01:08:14.159 --> 01:08:17.760
t sixth season episode Ship In a bottle. She also

1113
01:08:17.920 --> 01:08:23.520
played doctor Christian west Phalan in the first season of

1114
01:08:23.880 --> 01:08:27.640
SeaQuest DSV and there she is over.

1115
01:08:27.520 --> 01:08:29.319
There and yeah.

1116
01:08:29.359 --> 01:08:33.479
So the next one is a happy birthday to Harvey Jason,

1117
01:08:34.239 --> 01:08:38.319
born in February twenty ninth, so not too long ago.

1118
01:08:39.199 --> 01:08:43.159
He was born in London, England. He is the son

1119
01:08:43.239 --> 01:08:48.640
of Alec Jason and is married to an actress, Pamela Franklin.

1120
01:08:49.359 --> 01:08:52.760
How you played the role of Felix Leets in TG

1121
01:08:53.000 --> 01:08:58.920
first season episode The Big Goodbye. And next is a

1122
01:08:59.039 --> 01:09:06.000
happy birthday to Doug Benedict, actor and author, best known

1123
01:09:06.079 --> 01:09:10.319
for playing Lieutenant Starbucks in the original Battlestar Galactica series

1124
01:09:11.199 --> 01:09:22.479
and Templation Templeton faced uh Peck in the A Team series. No,

1125
01:09:22.600 --> 01:09:24.680
I'm not sure what that series is. I've never seen it.

1126
01:09:24.640 --> 01:09:24.800
But.

1127
01:09:33.000 --> 01:09:36.359
Sorry, you need to watch The Team man, okay.

1128
01:09:37.720 --> 01:09:42.560
He is also the author of Confession of the Kamakage

1129
01:09:42.720 --> 01:09:49.119
Cowboy and then We Went Fishing Okay, pretty cool.

1130
01:09:49.439 --> 01:09:49.640
Uh.

1131
01:09:49.840 --> 01:09:53.800
Next on the list is a happy birthday to Tracy

1132
01:09:53.960 --> 01:10:00.600
Lee Coco, actress, model and stunt woman who worked on

1133
01:10:00.640 --> 01:10:07.880
tgdth nine and boy Uh. She was mostly most visibly

1134
01:10:08.039 --> 01:10:13.000
seen as Lieutenant j A regular background character on TG

1135
01:10:13.319 --> 01:10:17.159
between the fourth and seventh shooting. I guess because she

1136
01:10:17.159 --> 01:10:19.079
didn't get killed off with because she wasn't wearing a

1137
01:10:19.079 --> 01:10:19.600
red shirt.

1138
01:10:19.680 --> 01:10:25.680
Probably, And of course, Tracy Lee is featured prominently in

1139
01:10:25.840 --> 01:10:28.279
our fan shout out photos because Jim and I got

1140
01:10:28.319 --> 01:10:29.600
to meet her and she was one of the nicest

1141
01:10:29.600 --> 01:10:31.880
people I think I've ever met now. She was just

1142
01:10:32.039 --> 01:10:34.760
so fun. She came up and literally hugged us right away.

1143
01:10:36.199 --> 01:10:37.960
I didn't even know us. Just give us a hug.

1144
01:10:38.479 --> 01:10:40.680
She actually has a truck pop and T shirt because

1145
01:10:40.720 --> 01:10:41.520
we gave her one.

1146
01:10:41.720 --> 01:10:42.039
Yeah.

1147
01:10:42.159 --> 01:10:47.479
Nice, cool, all right. Next on the list is a

1148
01:10:47.520 --> 01:10:54.439
happy birthday to Heidi sweet Boat Sweatboat, actress from the Honolulu,

1149
01:10:54.479 --> 01:10:59.239
Hawaii who played Cullen in the Dearth nine second shooton

1150
01:10:59.279 --> 01:11:03.079
episode Offord and Lost. I have to go back to

1151
01:11:03.079 --> 01:11:06.359
the Org's episode. Those are pretty good. Next on the

1152
01:11:06.399 --> 01:11:12.960
list is everybody's all time favorite Boocan Ethan Tech played

1153
01:11:13.199 --> 01:11:18.239
back in the second season of Discovery two episodes and

1154
01:11:18.439 --> 01:11:22.960
Star Trek's Short Track reprise the role as Huge regular

1155
01:11:23.039 --> 01:11:27.000
and Strange New World and Boys character in two episodes

1156
01:11:27.039 --> 01:11:30.800
of Star trek Very Short Track. He is the grandson

1157
01:11:31.000 --> 01:11:34.199
of the famous actor Gregory Peck, and must I have

1158
01:11:34.359 --> 01:11:37.319
to say the first time I ever saw Gregory Peck

1159
01:11:37.880 --> 01:11:40.239
was then How to Kill a mocking Bird. That was

1160
01:11:40.279 --> 01:11:44.239
a fantastic movie. Anybody else want to say anything about

1161
01:11:44.239 --> 01:11:44.720
Ethan Peck?

1162
01:11:46.600 --> 01:11:49.640
Yeah, I had the pleasure of meeting him up at

1163
01:11:49.720 --> 01:11:54.640
Chican Roga before season one Discovery, and he was the

1164
01:11:54.680 --> 01:11:59.119
coolest view you'd ever want to meet. He was finally sincere,

1165
01:11:59.119 --> 01:12:04.399
outgoing and awesome. So I was very impressed with him.

1166
01:12:04.439 --> 01:12:07.359
Awesome, And I guess I'll just take that flaming birthday

1167
01:12:07.359 --> 01:12:08.159
candle to Paul.

1168
01:12:09.760 --> 01:12:12.840
Thanks, David, appreciate it. Okay, we sell more birthdays to go.

1169
01:12:13.000 --> 01:12:16.319
First of all, let's all of you brown coats out there,

1170
01:12:16.359 --> 01:12:18.760
in whatever corner of the verse you find yourself. Let's

1171
01:12:18.760 --> 01:12:22.520
give it up to Adam Baldwin. Okay, who's best known

1172
01:12:22.640 --> 01:12:26.239
for playing Jane Cob and smile when you say that.

1173
01:12:26.720 --> 01:12:30.720
On the fabulous Culled TV series Firefly. I hope there's

1174
01:12:30.720 --> 01:12:33.319
some Firefly flans here on the show. God, please tell

1175
01:12:33.319 --> 01:12:33.680
me there are.

1176
01:12:34.199 --> 01:12:37.680
Can I just tell you Paul that, if you're a

1177
01:12:37.760 --> 01:12:41.840
Firefly fan and you've watched that one season that we

1178
01:12:41.960 --> 01:12:43.920
got so many times that you have all of the

1179
01:12:43.920 --> 01:12:48.560
episodes memorized and you're still wanting more Firefly. There are

1180
01:12:48.600 --> 01:12:52.560
some fantastic I think there's eight or nine Firefly novels

1181
01:12:52.840 --> 01:12:55.840
that are actually really fun, and Jane is actually featured

1182
01:12:55.840 --> 01:12:58.119
prominently in a couple of them, so you know, I know,

1183
01:12:58.119 --> 01:13:00.520
they're only novels, so they're not like portrays by the

1184
01:13:00.560 --> 01:13:04.920
actual actor, but it's really fun to revisit those characters in. Yes,

1185
01:13:05.039 --> 01:13:06.680
I'm a huge fireflax.

1186
01:13:09.119 --> 01:13:12.079
Ton of comic books too, I mean.

1187
01:13:12.359 --> 01:13:16.359
Yeah, yeah, I have like the large size one with

1188
01:13:16.520 --> 01:13:19.159
the first run on like the whatever they call that

1189
01:13:19.199 --> 01:13:21.359
really big format. It's beautiful.

1190
01:13:21.880 --> 01:13:24.640
Yeah, cool, and not that they get too far down

1191
01:13:24.680 --> 01:13:27.199
a rabbit hole here. But and then of course the

1192
01:13:27.239 --> 01:13:30.960
subsequent movie they made right from Firefly, Serenity, And do

1193
01:13:31.000 --> 01:13:35.359
you remember the actor played the bad guy in Serenity

1194
01:13:36.239 --> 01:13:41.359
A four Yeah sure, yeah, Ago four also does the

1195
01:13:41.479 --> 01:13:45.840
voice of the Cask on Starfleet Academy, which we're going

1196
01:13:45.880 --> 01:13:48.199
to talk a lot about the cash next week. But

1197
01:13:48.239 --> 01:13:54.239
that's chew atoll Man, Yeah, representing the the Serenity There.

1198
01:13:54.560 --> 01:13:58.000
I digress. But Adam Baldwin's been tons of lots of

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01:13:58.039 --> 01:14:00.479
different things, A great picture from the early just called

1200
01:14:00.520 --> 01:14:05.079
My Bodyguard that I really recommend. He was in the sequel,

1201
01:14:05.159 --> 01:14:07.720
the very first sequel to Predator, Predator two that takes

1202
01:14:07.720 --> 01:14:10.720
place in Los Angeles, and then more recently played Mike

1203
01:14:10.800 --> 01:14:14.239
Slattery on the series The Last Ship. So happy birthday,

1204
01:14:14.279 --> 01:14:17.720
Adam Baldwin. Good tests, No, you're out there. So every

1205
01:14:17.760 --> 01:14:19.640
now and then there'll be these rumors about, oh, they're

1206
01:14:19.680 --> 01:14:21.720
going to do more Firefly. I don't think it'll ever

1207
01:14:21.760 --> 01:14:25.359
come to be, but who the hell knows. But happy birthday, sir,

1208
01:14:25.640 --> 01:14:30.840
Happy birthday to Barbara Babcock. A long Hollywood career, illuminary.

1209
01:14:32.039 --> 01:14:35.439
The roles in Nearly thirty movies. First came to our

1210
01:14:35.439 --> 01:14:39.439
appearance as Maya three in that amazing first season episode

1211
01:14:39.439 --> 01:14:43.159
of Taste of Armageddon, which is amazing. She showed up

1212
01:14:43.159 --> 01:14:46.600
again in Plato's step Children, and did a ton of

1213
01:14:46.680 --> 01:14:49.760
voice work for the original series The Lights of Zatar.

1214
01:14:50.680 --> 01:14:53.600
She was the Aetholian and the Tholian Web, and then

1215
01:14:54.560 --> 01:14:58.359
she's Gary Seven's computer, the bet of five Computer and

1216
01:14:58.439 --> 01:15:00.840
Assignment Earth. I mean, she just ca showing up. I'll

1217
01:15:00.840 --> 01:15:05.439
do the voice recording, which is great, so amazing. Happy birthday,

1218
01:15:05.439 --> 01:15:09.439
Apartment Bad guy, a big excitement to be able to

1219
01:15:09.439 --> 01:15:14.239
say Happy Birthday to the wonderful Lupita Niongo, who has

1220
01:15:14.279 --> 01:15:16.760
been in many, many different things, has yet to grace

1221
01:15:16.800 --> 01:15:20.000
the Star Trek universe yet, but in Star Wars The

1222
01:15:20.039 --> 01:15:25.159
Force Awakens and the Last Jedi played mas Kanata in

1223
01:15:25.279 --> 01:15:28.880
those films, a lot of digital effects work there, hiding

1224
01:15:28.920 --> 01:15:34.720
your lovely face, but that show business right, motion capture work,

1225
01:15:34.880 --> 01:15:37.880
you know, following the footsteps right, So pretty cool there.

1226
01:15:37.960 --> 01:15:42.680
She also was in the amazing Oscar film Twelve Years

1227
01:15:42.680 --> 01:15:47.880
a Slave. That's quite good and very prominent in the

1228
01:15:47.920 --> 01:15:51.560
Black Panther movies for the Marvel Cinematic universe as well.

1229
01:15:52.000 --> 01:15:56.439
And let's not forget moving on enough people have seen

1230
01:15:56.520 --> 01:15:58.680
or give credit dude with the follow up to Get

1231
01:15:58.720 --> 01:16:02.560
Out from Jordan was a picture called US. It's really

1232
01:16:02.640 --> 01:16:05.680
disturbing and there's a lot of subtext and thematic stuff

1233
01:16:05.720 --> 01:16:07.479
going on in that. So if you haven't seen US

1234
01:16:07.800 --> 01:16:11.840
horror movies fans, check it out. Lapita and Neango's I'm well,

1235
01:16:11.920 --> 01:16:14.319
I'm sorry, I'll say it terrifying in that movie. I

1236
01:16:14.319 --> 01:16:17.760
think terrifying is sympathetic and I'll let you figure out

1237
01:16:17.760 --> 01:16:21.640
which is which. But it's an amazing performance. She's just remarkable.

1238
01:16:22.079 --> 01:16:26.520
Look for her. Nabbed the coveted role of Helen of

1239
01:16:26.600 --> 01:16:33.399
Troy for Christopher Nolan's Odyssey, coming out this summer. So

1240
01:16:34.119 --> 01:16:37.079
I don't know that there's a part that's further in

1241
01:16:37.119 --> 01:16:39.880
the firmament than that one. So that's pretty exciting. So

1242
01:16:39.960 --> 01:16:42.720
when you're with Nolan in the Odyssey, you can write

1243
01:16:42.760 --> 01:16:47.079
your own ticket. So happy birthday, Lapita, Happy birthday to

1244
01:16:47.960 --> 01:16:54.279
a very cool cat. Indeed, the absolutely splendid Daniel Craig

1245
01:16:55.039 --> 01:16:59.960
English actor, of course, gained international fame by embodying James Bond.

1246
01:17:01.880 --> 01:17:04.319
Had a big cameo in Star Wars The Force Awakens

1247
01:17:04.359 --> 01:17:08.760
as well Cowboys and Aliens with Harrison Ford. But man,

1248
01:17:08.840 --> 01:17:11.560
this guy does so much good work it just rocks

1249
01:17:11.760 --> 01:17:14.319
my mind. Right. I think the first thing I ever

1250
01:17:14.359 --> 01:17:17.600
saw him in was The Road to Perdition with Tom Hanks.

1251
01:17:17.640 --> 01:17:19.880
Way back then, he was in a picture called Layer

1252
01:17:19.960 --> 01:17:22.600
Cake that's a really good gangster movie, kind of a

1253
01:17:22.640 --> 01:17:25.800
follow up to lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels, and

1254
01:17:25.920 --> 01:17:29.159
of course Steven Spielberg's Munich Is. I think what got

1255
01:17:29.199 --> 01:17:32.159
him the job as James Bond. Frankly, I mean that

1256
01:17:32.239 --> 01:17:34.960
was an incredible part that he was in that, and

1257
01:17:35.279 --> 01:17:37.840
he just keeps evolving, right you think, oh, you know,

1258
01:17:37.920 --> 01:17:40.720
you're done James Bond, You're done playing Bond. It's all

1259
01:17:40.720 --> 01:17:43.479
going to be downhill from that. Now he's done these

1260
01:17:43.520 --> 01:17:48.800
amazing movies over on Netflix right where he plays detective

1261
01:17:48.880 --> 01:17:53.319
Benoi Blanc Benoit de Blanc for Brian Johnson. I can't

1262
01:17:53.319 --> 01:17:57.720
pronounce anything today apparently, but those are wonderful if you've

1263
01:17:57.760 --> 01:17:59.960
not checked those out yet. The most recent one was

1264
01:18:00.119 --> 01:18:02.399
just at the end of the year Wake Up dead Man.

1265
01:18:03.159 --> 01:18:05.119
Just saw it like three days ago. It was so good.

1266
01:18:05.479 --> 01:18:06.279
Did you like it?

1267
01:18:06.479 --> 01:18:06.960
I did?

1268
01:18:07.039 --> 01:18:07.239
Yeah.

1269
01:18:07.279 --> 01:18:09.800
I mean I didn't like it as much as Knives

1270
01:18:09.840 --> 01:18:14.159
Out in the Onion one whatever that was. Yeah, but

1271
01:18:14.319 --> 01:18:15.079
I still liked it.

1272
01:18:15.159 --> 01:18:18.159
Yeah, I loved it. I was amazing. He's had three

1273
01:18:18.199 --> 01:18:20.079
of them they made so far. With some of them,

1274
01:18:20.079 --> 01:18:23.760
it's just it's it's it's and Ryan Johnson just invented

1275
01:18:23.800 --> 01:18:27.800
this whole character. It's like he's, you know, making cinematic novels,

1276
01:18:27.800 --> 01:18:30.760
cinematic detective novels. I mean, it's just it's a wonderful thing,

1277
01:18:30.840 --> 01:18:34.279
so really cool niche that he's found for himself quite

1278
01:18:34.319 --> 01:18:38.239
a talented actor, really really, I think one of the

1279
01:18:38.239 --> 01:18:42.720
best that we have out there. Amazing count so I'd

1280
01:18:42.760 --> 01:18:45.119
be heard that Daniel Craig, let's go back to Star

1281
01:18:45.159 --> 01:18:49.000
Trek and say happy birthday to Jolene Blaylock, of course,

1282
01:18:49.039 --> 01:18:52.279
best known for her role as Vulcan science officer to

1283
01:18:52.359 --> 01:18:58.439
Paul and her Austere quarters in Star Trek Enterprise. She

1284
01:18:58.520 --> 01:19:03.920
wont to Saturn Award as Special Sinscape Genre Face of

1285
01:19:03.960 --> 01:19:06.600
the Future from the Academy of Science Fiction and Fantasy

1286
01:19:06.680 --> 01:19:09.840
Horror back in two thousand and two. Were also played

1287
01:19:09.840 --> 01:19:15.199
to Paul's great grandmother or second fore mother, Tamyr in

1288
01:19:15.239 --> 01:19:19.840
the Enterprise episode Carbon Creek. So from what I understand,

1289
01:19:19.840 --> 01:19:24.479
Angeline Blaylocks pretty much retired and helping work for a

1290
01:19:24.520 --> 01:19:27.680
nonprofit to help Haiti with her husband. I think she's

1291
01:19:28.119 --> 01:19:30.439
developing a lot of time to that and her family,

1292
01:19:30.680 --> 01:19:32.520
but every now and then she pops up. She did

1293
01:19:32.560 --> 01:19:36.960
a couple of episodes of voice work on wrapping up

1294
01:19:37.039 --> 01:19:39.960
lower decks there as to Paul again, so who knows,

1295
01:19:40.000 --> 01:19:42.840
we may see to Paul in some new iteration at

1296
01:19:42.840 --> 01:19:45.399
some point. I think fans would welcome it. I think

1297
01:19:45.439 --> 01:19:48.640
that would be great and always keep hoping for something

1298
01:19:48.640 --> 01:19:52.000
with Enterprise to come back again, so we'll see. All

1299
01:19:52.039 --> 01:19:54.840
I know is is a period of tremendous upheaval and

1300
01:19:54.840 --> 01:19:57.520
tumult is coming for the Star Trek universe because of

1301
01:19:57.560 --> 01:20:02.039
this whole thing with Warner Brothers and power amount so contracts.

1302
01:20:02.119 --> 01:20:04.600
We don't know what's going to happen, but the potential

1303
01:20:04.640 --> 01:20:06.960
for things is huge, so who knows what's going to be.

1304
01:20:07.800 --> 01:20:12.359
So things are either going to explode or implode. But

1305
01:20:12.439 --> 01:20:14.800
it's an exciting time. A lot of people holding their

1306
01:20:14.840 --> 01:20:18.640
breath over Paramount right now. But it's always good to

1307
01:20:18.760 --> 01:20:22.520
revisit fond things from the franchisees past, and I think

1308
01:20:22.560 --> 01:20:24.279
a lot of people have discovered that there's a lot

1309
01:20:24.319 --> 01:20:26.479
to be fond of Start Treking, so I think it

1310
01:20:26.520 --> 01:20:30.000
would be great to see see something happen. So give

1311
01:20:30.079 --> 01:20:34.439
Joline Blaylock a call, and I would like to take

1312
01:20:34.600 --> 01:20:39.319
some moments to light a candle if I may, to

1313
01:20:39.439 --> 01:20:44.199
the fabulous Gates McFadden, of course, who we honor for

1314
01:20:44.399 --> 01:20:51.600
portraying spectacular Beverly Crusher in just about every episode except

1315
01:20:51.640 --> 01:20:55.079
for the second season of Star Trek, The Next Generation

1316
01:20:55.880 --> 01:21:00.319
and countless feature films as well. As show up in

1317
01:21:00.319 --> 01:21:03.720
the third season at Picard, which was a welcome surprise. There.

1318
01:21:04.039 --> 01:21:07.600
Gates McFadden's great She also directs. She directed the seventh

1319
01:21:07.640 --> 01:21:13.680
season episode of Next Gen. Genesis started out in Broadway

1320
01:21:13.720 --> 01:21:17.479
as a dancer, all right. She did dance choreography with

1321
01:21:17.880 --> 01:21:21.840
Brent Spiner for the Data's Day episode There, Sharp eyed viewers,

1322
01:21:21.840 --> 01:21:25.840
if you go back and watch The Muppets Take Manhattan,

1323
01:21:26.520 --> 01:21:32.039
you can see Gates McFadden showing up as the secretary

1324
01:21:32.119 --> 01:21:36.359
to an unscrupulous Broadway agent. That's pretty funny. She's in that,

1325
01:21:36.920 --> 01:21:41.239
And in the very very first Tom Clancy picture, The

1326
01:21:41.319 --> 01:21:45.319
Hunt for Red October, all right, she was actually Jack

1327
01:21:45.399 --> 01:21:49.640
Ryan's wife in there, back when Alec Baldwin was in

1328
01:21:49.680 --> 01:21:53.039
the role in that very first outing, so she was

1329
01:21:53.079 --> 01:21:54.880
briefly you can see her in the opening of that

1330
01:21:54.920 --> 01:21:58.359
picture as Jack Ryan's wife. So pretty cool. She's had

1331
01:21:58.439 --> 01:22:03.279
quite an interesting career, but just does a ton of conventions.

1332
01:22:03.720 --> 01:22:08.359
Very social, very warm person out there interacting with people,

1333
01:22:09.319 --> 01:22:13.600
very kind, great personality. But I just think that she

1334
01:22:13.840 --> 01:22:18.640
really worked that character and let it grow and mellow

1335
01:22:18.840 --> 01:22:23.640
and become cool and never let her become a stereotype.

1336
01:22:23.680 --> 01:22:26.720
I think, I know a lot of young women have

1337
01:22:26.880 --> 01:22:34.520
pursued careers in medicine thanks to Gates McFadden and Beverly Crusher,

1338
01:22:34.520 --> 01:22:37.359
and a lot of people have invested heavily in candles

1339
01:22:37.880 --> 01:22:40.840
as a result of Gates McFadden too. Leave that for

1340
01:22:40.880 --> 01:22:46.000
another episode, but happy birthday, Gates McFadden, All of us

1341
01:22:46.000 --> 01:22:49.399
here at Shrek talking adore you please come on our show,

1342
01:22:49.840 --> 01:22:51.560
And that's all I've got. So let's pass it over

1343
01:22:51.560 --> 01:22:53.159
to Uncle Jim and see what he's got that He's

1344
01:22:53.199 --> 01:22:56.039
been quietly polishing his battlets in the corner. I don't

1345
01:22:56.079 --> 01:22:58.039
know what he's up to, but he's usually up to something,

1346
01:22:58.119 --> 01:23:02.479
so probably cling on, ask Uncle Jim, are we correct

1347
01:23:02.520 --> 01:23:10.279
in our assumption? Yea on Mute, Uncle Jim, Uncle Jim,

1348
01:23:10.439 --> 01:23:12.439
you on mute. I'm gonna try to mind meild him.

1349
01:23:12.439 --> 01:23:14.239
See if I can get Uncle Jim to come through,

1350
01:23:15.319 --> 01:23:19.279
un Jim, Jim, because you don't look at the screen

1351
01:23:19.399 --> 01:23:23.119
during the podcast, you look down.

1352
01:23:22.880 --> 01:23:25.520
At Oh my god, there he is.

1353
01:23:25.760 --> 01:23:27.159
We got through to you, Uncle Jim.

1354
01:23:27.199 --> 01:23:32.119
We overjoyed thing I heard you. I sensed I sensed

1355
01:23:32.159 --> 01:23:33.359
it through the computer screen.

1356
01:23:33.880 --> 01:23:35.199
We had to mind speak you.

1357
01:23:36.359 --> 01:23:40.560
That's what it was. So I have two Klingons and

1358
01:23:40.680 --> 01:23:44.520
only two this week to to to, I want to

1359
01:23:44.560 --> 01:23:47.760
say Hua, and happy birthday to James where are they

1360
01:23:47.800 --> 01:23:52.760
form basketball player? Who is Quarll and the TNGS seventh

1361
01:23:52.800 --> 01:23:57.239
season episode Gambit Part two. Standing at six feet nine

1362
01:23:57.279 --> 01:24:01.880
inches tall, Worthy is the tallest ever cling On seen

1363
01:24:01.960 --> 01:24:04.600
on screen. If you look in the bottom right hand corner,

1364
01:24:05.119 --> 01:24:09.920
that's Wharf and that's that's Coral and you can see

1365
01:24:10.000 --> 01:24:13.640
the difference there. He's quite a bit taller than Wharf,

1366
01:24:13.680 --> 01:24:17.039
who is rather imposing in and of himself. So happy

1367
01:24:17.119 --> 01:24:23.720
birthday James Worthy and last on my list, this guy

1368
01:24:24.359 --> 01:24:27.560
is a weasel, but he's a great weasel. We want

1369
01:24:27.600 --> 01:24:31.199
to say happy birthday to j d Holm, who played

1370
01:24:31.319 --> 01:24:40.479
to in the TMG fourth and fifth Seedson episode is

1371
01:24:40.520 --> 01:24:44.239
Redemption Part one and part two, And I'll tell you

1372
01:24:44.319 --> 01:24:49.720
what when Gallon offers his life to Wharf and Worf

1373
01:24:49.800 --> 01:24:53.960
spares him, and his brother Karrent comes down and is

1374
01:24:54.000 --> 01:24:56.319
gonna kill him, and Warf says no and spares him,

1375
01:24:57.159 --> 01:25:00.000
and maybe Wharf should have often when he had the chance,

1376
01:25:00.279 --> 01:25:03.560
because he comes back later on on deep Space and

1377
01:25:03.600 --> 01:25:08.239
it's a real any of the ads so different, anti

1378
01:25:08.319 --> 01:25:14.439
plasing Bell, but the Son of Jermy. And there we

1379
01:25:14.479 --> 01:25:18.600
have it with our Star Trek birthdays, and we'll have

1380
01:25:18.720 --> 01:25:22.079
more exciting birthdays next week. And now it's time for

1381
01:25:22.359 --> 01:25:30.119
Star Trek news. Eric, do we have a news.

1382
01:25:28.199 --> 01:25:29.960
It's getting there, buddy. I didn't have I didn't have

1383
01:25:29.960 --> 01:25:30.960
any time this week.

1384
01:25:30.760 --> 01:25:32.079
To work on it, but I swear to on I'm

1385
01:25:32.119 --> 01:25:34.600
working on it right now. It's gonna be great. It's

1386
01:25:34.640 --> 01:25:42.399
gonna be great. Yes, yes, I do. And I am

1387
01:25:42.560 --> 01:25:44.640
really digging this story. This is a fun one.

1388
01:25:44.880 --> 01:25:49.399
Uh see Uhura pulled into the Civil Rights era in

1389
01:25:49.560 --> 01:25:55.720
Star Trek Deviations Threads of Destiny comic. Id W is

1390
01:25:55.760 --> 01:25:58.880
celebrating the legacy of Star Trek icon, Michelle Nichols and

1391
01:25:58.920 --> 01:26:02.119
Black History Month with a special one shot comic this

1392
01:26:02.199 --> 01:26:05.760
week focusing on the character of Uhura. The new one

1393
01:26:05.760 --> 01:26:10.159
shot comic, titled Star Trek Deviations Threads of Destiny, is

1394
01:26:10.199 --> 01:26:14.119
written by Stephanie Williams art in the classic gold key

1395
01:26:14.199 --> 01:26:19.600
comic style, is being done by Greg Maldonado and Anthony

1396
01:26:19.640 --> 01:26:23.159
Fowler Jr. This is the second Star Trek Deviation's one

1397
01:26:23.159 --> 01:26:27.199
shot from IDW, which presents alternate takes, in this case

1398
01:26:27.279 --> 01:26:31.079
reimagining the tos classic episode City on the Edge of Forever,

1399
01:26:31.680 --> 01:26:35.680
with Uhura pulled back in time instead. Threads of Destiny

1400
01:26:35.720 --> 01:26:39.199
parallels the real life story of Ahura actress Michelle Nichols

1401
01:26:39.479 --> 01:26:42.319
and how doctor Martin Luther King Junior convinced her to

1402
01:26:42.399 --> 01:26:45.960
stay with Star Trek due to what her character represented

1403
01:26:46.279 --> 01:26:50.119
to so many people of color. We have a brief

1404
01:26:50.239 --> 01:26:53.640
synopsis of the comic here, which I will read. This

1405
01:26:53.760 --> 01:26:57.399
special one shot features Lieutenant Nyota Uhura in the twenty

1406
01:26:57.399 --> 01:27:00.640
third century. She explores far flung stars systems with her

1407
01:27:00.680 --> 01:27:03.199
crew on the Enterprise as part of her mission to

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01:27:03.239 --> 01:27:07.239
communicate and build bridges with life found across the galaxy.

1409
01:27:07.760 --> 01:27:11.079
But in the twentieth century, humankind was working to build

1410
01:27:11.239 --> 01:27:15.920
understanding among themselves, with African Americans on Earth, championing the

1411
01:27:15.920 --> 01:27:18.880
civil rights movement and using their voices and acts of

1412
01:27:18.880 --> 01:27:23.840
protest to end racial segregation and discrimination. Now, by way

1413
01:27:23.880 --> 01:27:27.039
of the Guardiana Forever, where is yanked back through time

1414
01:27:27.560 --> 01:27:31.600
to nineteen sixty three. There she'll join all those fighting

1415
01:27:31.640 --> 01:27:35.399
for equality and justice and reconnect to why her work

1416
01:27:35.479 --> 01:27:39.560
as a communications officer is perhaps the most important work

1417
01:27:39.640 --> 01:27:44.239
of all. And I found the concept of this comic

1418
01:27:44.319 --> 01:27:48.239
really interesting when I read this article, not only just

1419
01:27:48.279 --> 01:27:51.920
because it kind of like puts her in a new adventure,

1420
01:27:52.039 --> 01:27:54.279
so to speak, and it's cool to have or a feature,

1421
01:27:54.840 --> 01:27:58.479
but it really reminded me of this book. And for

1422
01:27:58.520 --> 01:28:01.600
any you know, sci fi fans who have read any

1423
01:28:02.319 --> 01:28:05.279
authors of color, sci fi authors of color, surely you've

1424
01:28:05.319 --> 01:28:08.199
read Octavia Butler, and she's got this novel called Kindred,

1425
01:28:08.680 --> 01:28:11.039
which it just really reminded me of because of course,

1426
01:28:11.039 --> 01:28:14.000
seeing Kindred, there's a young black woman who's living in

1427
01:28:14.079 --> 01:28:17.319
nineteen seventy six California, and on her twenty sixth birthday,

1428
01:28:17.439 --> 01:28:21.720
she gets transported back to plantation life in the eighteen

1429
01:28:22.399 --> 01:28:26.279
like tens, and so there's this kind of like paradigm

1430
01:28:26.359 --> 01:28:28.359
shift of oh my gosh, I have this one way

1431
01:28:28.359 --> 01:28:31.279
of living, and now I have to live I have

1432
01:28:31.359 --> 01:28:35.279
to almost like remember the way that my grandmother lived.

1433
01:28:35.560 --> 01:28:37.720
And I'm almost wondering if we're going to get some

1434
01:28:38.520 --> 01:28:41.239
you know, it's obviously further back than grandmother, but like

1435
01:28:41.319 --> 01:28:43.560
if Ua will have kind of some of those moments

1436
01:28:43.560 --> 01:28:46.119
where she has that sort of revelation. So very interested

1437
01:28:46.119 --> 01:28:49.680
in this comic, super excited about it, and I still

1438
01:28:49.720 --> 01:28:53.920
collect every single IDW Star Trek comic and some of

1439
01:28:53.960 --> 01:28:57.399
them are not like total shining pearls, but man, overall

1440
01:28:57.479 --> 01:29:00.479
they are just really really good. I'm just happy with

1441
01:29:00.520 --> 01:29:04.760
what they're doing with property. So this came out actually

1442
01:29:04.840 --> 01:29:07.079
on February twenty fifth. You of course can get it

1443
01:29:07.119 --> 01:29:09.039
at your local comic shop. You can get the digital

1444
01:29:09.159 --> 01:29:12.359
version if you do that, which I think is what

1445
01:29:12.479 --> 01:29:16.399
Charles did. And the article did say something about this

1446
01:29:16.479 --> 01:29:19.960
being the second deviations. The last one that they did

1447
01:29:20.039 --> 01:29:23.920
was actually way back from in twenty seventeen and talked

1448
01:29:23.920 --> 01:29:26.680
about what if the Romulns discovered Earth before the Vulcans.

1449
01:29:27.920 --> 01:29:32.079
So there you go, Paul, what you got for us?

1450
01:29:32.359 --> 01:29:34.640
I gotta hunt that down. I don't think I have that,

1451
01:29:34.880 --> 01:29:36.439
and I'm really curious about that.

1452
01:29:36.640 --> 01:29:36.960
I too.

1453
01:29:37.039 --> 01:29:41.000
I'm a big check IDW you got. But yeah, that's intriguing,

1454
01:29:41.119 --> 01:29:43.199
so very cool. I know I picked up the overa one.

1455
01:29:43.239 --> 01:29:45.039
I haven't had a chance for meeting yet them, but

1456
01:29:45.319 --> 01:29:49.840
there you go. Let's talk collected, let's talk choshkeys and

1457
01:29:49.880 --> 01:29:55.079
things for your shelf, because don't we all love starships? Really, yes,

1458
01:29:55.159 --> 01:29:56.880
we do. That is one of the things that unites

1459
01:29:56.920 --> 01:29:58.960
us all here. And let's talk about fan Home adding

1460
01:29:59.000 --> 01:30:03.920
new ships the Star Trek Starship collection. Fan Home has

1461
01:30:03.960 --> 01:30:07.199
announced there once again expanding their Star Trek die Cast

1462
01:30:07.399 --> 01:30:12.880
Starship collection, sort of evolving out of the ruins of

1463
01:30:12.920 --> 01:30:16.640
Eagle Moss if you will, These high detailed starfleet and

1464
01:30:16.800 --> 01:30:22.000
alien starships collection will expand by thirty new models. Oh

1465
01:30:22.079 --> 01:30:26.319
give me my lobster bib. Previously, fan Home announced more

1466
01:30:26.319 --> 01:30:28.520
additions to the collection as well as the re release

1467
01:30:28.560 --> 01:30:31.279
of the previously released models for those who may have

1468
01:30:31.319 --> 01:30:34.159
missed them, look at those on the screen, Patreon members,

1469
01:30:34.159 --> 01:30:36.399
if you're not a better member, you'd be seeing these

1470
01:30:36.720 --> 01:30:38.960
bits of eye candy right now on the screen, but

1471
01:30:39.680 --> 01:30:42.159
instead you have to use a theater of the mind

1472
01:30:42.199 --> 01:30:45.960
and imagine my descriptions all at the die cast wonderment

1473
01:30:46.399 --> 01:30:49.079
of these tiny little ships. They're amazing and some of

1474
01:30:49.079 --> 01:30:53.680
them are bootships. So as we go through here, they're

1475
01:30:53.680 --> 01:30:55.359
going to re release some of the ones that came

1476
01:30:55.359 --> 01:30:58.720
out previously. In case you missed it. The company debuted

1477
01:30:58.720 --> 01:31:03.960
a solid well solid gold USS Enterprise G from Star

1478
01:31:04.000 --> 01:31:06.119
Trek per card at New York Comic cons So that's

1479
01:31:06.199 --> 01:31:09.079
pretty cool. Check that out. The latest editions to the

1480
01:31:09.079 --> 01:31:13.039
collection bring the total to thirty three starships. Phantomes says

1481
01:31:13.039 --> 01:31:15.600
a collection gives Star Trek fans an opportunities to require

1482
01:31:15.600 --> 01:31:19.479
a comprehensive collection of exceptionally detailed replicas of the legendary

1483
01:31:19.520 --> 01:31:23.960
starships leaders of the Star Trek series and movies. Phanom

1484
01:31:24.000 --> 01:31:26.840
has also announced upgrades to its shipping and distribution in

1485
01:31:26.880 --> 01:31:31.239
the United States. That's an attention given. Therefore, subscribers in

1486
01:31:31.279 --> 01:31:36.720
that region can expect better distribution times. May I translate

1487
01:31:36.760 --> 01:31:41.479
that sentence for you? Allow me to basically that means

1488
01:31:41.479 --> 01:31:44.159
that shipping and distribution in the United States has gotten

1489
01:31:44.319 --> 01:31:47.520
a lot of complaints from many people. And this is

1490
01:31:47.560 --> 01:31:51.840
the company desperately trying to write the ship see what

1491
01:31:51.880 --> 01:31:56.680
I did there, so that it's not like the United

1492
01:31:56.680 --> 01:31:59.760
States is some little region. We have a lot of

1493
01:32:00.159 --> 01:32:02.119
We tend to spend a lot of money on crap,

1494
01:32:02.720 --> 01:32:06.600
so we're perfect for something like this, right. They're trying

1495
01:32:06.640 --> 01:32:08.880
to let us know that, yes, if you have been

1496
01:32:08.920 --> 01:32:11.680
burned before, you could expect a better deal with distribution

1497
01:32:11.920 --> 01:32:14.279
in the future. So good news for someone like me.

1498
01:32:14.840 --> 01:32:17.640
Occasionally we'll dabble in a Star Trek ship, so I

1499
01:32:17.760 --> 01:32:22.600
will report back depending on what you produce and attempting

1500
01:32:22.680 --> 01:32:26.600
it becomes fan home, so we shall see. Hey, there's

1501
01:32:26.640 --> 01:32:28.960
thirteen new models which I will now rattle off to you.

1502
01:32:29.039 --> 01:32:30.680
I'm not sure if there will be visuals of each

1503
01:32:30.720 --> 01:32:33.279
of the thirteen, but we will find out. First of all,

1504
01:32:33.279 --> 01:32:37.520
from Star Trek Lower Techs the USS Alido from the

1505
01:32:37.560 --> 01:32:40.319
first season of Picard, we have the Mars Drone and

1506
01:32:40.359 --> 01:32:45.239
the Synth Attack Ship. Ooh scary from Stranger the World's

1507
01:32:45.279 --> 01:32:48.800
Broken Circle. We have the USS Damocles for you mythology

1508
01:32:48.840 --> 01:32:51.760
folks there. I'm very excited about this one. I probably

1509
01:32:51.800 --> 01:32:55.560
would pick this up. I'm Starfleet Academy. The USS Athena,

1510
01:32:55.720 --> 01:32:58.520
which is a badass and cool looking design. I love

1511
01:32:58.560 --> 01:33:02.319
the Athena, a variant version of the Freedom Class version

1512
01:33:02.399 --> 01:33:04.520
of the USS Cerritos, which I think a lot of

1513
01:33:04.520 --> 01:33:07.079
people are going to want. From Strange New Worlds, There's

1514
01:33:07.079 --> 01:33:09.319
going to be the Enterprise's Galleo Shuttle, which is a

1515
01:33:09.359 --> 01:33:12.760
cool looking model. There there will be also a USS

1516
01:33:12.760 --> 01:33:16.319
Cerritos XL size with the whole remove like walking around

1517
01:33:16.319 --> 01:33:17.960
it's underwear. I don't know what that looks like, but

1518
01:33:18.000 --> 01:33:21.239
we'll find out. From Star Trek Prodigy the Nova Flyer,

1519
01:33:21.359 --> 01:33:25.680
which is cool. The USS Adventure twenty one. I do

1520
01:33:25.760 --> 01:33:28.279
not know where that is from, so that that is

1521
01:33:28.279 --> 01:33:32.279
curious because there's no parentheses to educate me. The gord Hunter,

1522
01:33:32.359 --> 01:33:35.199
which I suspect is from Strange New Worlds just a hunch.

1523
01:33:35.760 --> 01:33:39.760
And the USS proto Star very very cool to see

1524
01:33:39.760 --> 01:33:45.159
that one. They're EXL size warp drive deployed fully, so

1525
01:33:45.279 --> 01:33:47.520
that sounds like it could be really cool. They are

1526
01:33:47.560 --> 01:33:51.319
also a pair of the oversized XCEL size replicas. They're

1527
01:33:51.359 --> 01:33:53.560
pretty decent size. I've got a few exls from when

1528
01:33:53.600 --> 01:33:56.039
Ego Moss is in the game, and they're yay big.

1529
01:33:56.079 --> 01:33:59.439
They're pretty decent. Got some hef to them. You could

1530
01:33:59.479 --> 01:34:03.880
bludgeons to death. Of the Voyager it's so heavy. The

1531
01:34:05.560 --> 01:34:08.920
front hall is like this monster. It's always top heavy,

1532
01:34:08.960 --> 01:34:14.560
falls off the shelf. It's crazy designs. What's wrong with

1533
01:34:14.960 --> 01:34:18.960
the lack of sleep? The xls are about eleven inches

1534
01:34:19.039 --> 01:34:21.600
or so long. Fan Home is work with production teams

1535
01:34:21.600 --> 01:34:24.520
in the Star Trek Archive and brand management team at Paramount,

1536
01:34:24.560 --> 01:34:29.119
which is responsible for shoring high accuracy. The designs are

1537
01:34:29.119 --> 01:34:31.199
all based on the original visual effects models that we

1538
01:34:31.279 --> 01:34:33.640
used to produce the shows. Each ship comes to the

1539
01:34:34.000 --> 01:34:37.159
sixteen page magazine that profiles the ship in the Star

1540
01:34:37.199 --> 01:34:41.760
Trek universe and explores its design processes, featuring exclusive aren't

1541
01:34:41.760 --> 01:34:43.520
and brand new interviews with the production team. I will

1542
01:34:43.520 --> 01:34:46.640
say these magazines are pretty cool. They Ego Muscle is

1543
01:34:46.640 --> 01:34:50.680
always generating them before before fan Home decent magazines. A

1544
01:34:50.720 --> 01:34:53.079
lot of good pictures, a lot of good nerdy information,

1545
01:34:53.239 --> 01:34:55.760
so I think you'll enjoy those. It's nice to have

1546
01:34:55.800 --> 01:34:59.079
something supplemental to the model to help you evoke all

1547
01:34:59.119 --> 01:35:03.479
those memories. While these new ships are exciting, customers will

1548
01:35:03.520 --> 01:35:05.600
be delighted to know fan Home has been upgrading at

1549
01:35:05.640 --> 01:35:07.800
shipping and distribution in the United States. I was there

1550
01:35:07.800 --> 01:35:11.680
an echo in here. Over the past six months, fan

1551
01:35:11.760 --> 01:35:16.840
Home carefully planned a full transition to aerow Fulfillment Services.

1552
01:35:16.960 --> 01:35:20.199
Oh that sounds promising and futuristic. The goal is to

1553
01:35:20.279 --> 01:35:25.880
ensure better stock management and dispatch times. I'll interpret as

1554
01:35:25.960 --> 01:35:28.319
you make. Fan Home expects us to be complete by

1555
01:35:28.319 --> 01:35:31.119
the end of June twenty twenty six, so hopefully, as

1556
01:35:31.119 --> 01:35:35.039
you're ready to do your late summer Christmas list shopping,

1557
01:35:35.079 --> 01:35:38.079
they'll air act together so we'll see. I don't know

1558
01:35:38.119 --> 01:35:41.399
how inspiring this is, guys. I guess we'll just have

1559
01:35:41.479 --> 01:35:45.479
to wait and see what happens. There is another story,

1560
01:35:45.520 --> 01:35:47.279
but I'm not sure who to transfer it to. Where

1561
01:35:47.399 --> 01:35:49.680
V is not with us tonight? Who would like to

1562
01:35:49.720 --> 01:35:50.479
read the story?

1563
01:35:50.960 --> 01:35:54.760
I want the things know that the USS Adventures twenty

1564
01:35:54.880 --> 01:35:57.520
dashed one. There is a ship that was featured in

1565
01:35:57.560 --> 01:36:01.239
a Strange New World's episode directed by Jonathan Flights that

1566
01:36:01.239 --> 01:36:06.239
that had uh what was it that one that had

1567
01:36:06.840 --> 01:36:10.239
Star Trek on the hollow that type of deal, remember

1568
01:36:10.239 --> 01:36:16.560
that one with the alien holding. I got the title

1569
01:36:16.560 --> 01:36:17.319
of that episode.

1570
01:36:18.199 --> 01:36:22.439
Hmmm, what was that eluding me right now?

1571
01:36:22.520 --> 01:36:29.439
But it was the fake It was the fictional starship

1572
01:36:29.520 --> 01:36:34.920
depicted in the fake show The Last Frontier, which was

1573
01:36:35.039 --> 01:36:38.960
featured on that Strange New World's episode A Space Adventure Hour.

1574
01:36:40.800 --> 01:36:43.079
It's the red and yellow ship that kind of looks

1575
01:36:43.119 --> 01:36:44.560
like a Star Trek ship but is.

1576
01:36:46.000 --> 01:36:49.840
Not actually Okay, I'm with you, Yeah, the kind of

1577
01:36:49.960 --> 01:36:56.359
you know, Captain Proton, Yeah, okay, I'm with you, all right? Cool,

1578
01:36:56.479 --> 01:36:59.680
thank you, thank you? Do you want me to keep

1579
01:36:59.720 --> 01:37:04.119
going with the Star Trek actor addresses negativity? You may

1580
01:37:04.159 --> 01:37:11.479
as well, all right, Jackson Vodka kidding, I don't know,

1581
01:37:11.520 --> 01:37:12.920
I kind of have a dog in this fight for

1582
01:37:12.960 --> 01:37:15.279
this particular story, so I'm happy to do it. Star

1583
01:37:15.319 --> 01:37:19.399
Trek actor addresses negativity aimed at Starfleet Academy. There are

1584
01:37:19.399 --> 01:37:22.199
always going to be some fans We're going to complain.

1585
01:37:22.399 --> 01:37:24.279
Do we ever see this in the Star Trek universe.

1586
01:37:24.359 --> 01:37:29.520
I don't think that. No, regardless of what Star Trek

1587
01:37:29.600 --> 01:37:32.760
executive producer Alex Kurtzman does when it comes to creating

1588
01:37:32.800 --> 01:37:37.920
content for the science fiction franchise, and actress Mary Wiseman

1589
01:37:38.079 --> 01:37:41.359
is all too aware of the negativity some people actually

1590
01:37:41.439 --> 01:37:45.720
try to drum up and share online. Wiseman reprises her

1591
01:37:45.760 --> 01:37:49.359
Discovery role as Sylvia Tilley in Starfleet Academy and we'll

1592
01:37:49.399 --> 01:37:53.520
be talking about that episode real soon, and she has

1593
01:37:53.680 --> 01:37:56.479
had this to say about the cruel criticism aimed at

1594
01:37:56.479 --> 01:37:59.600
the new streaming series. It is a really difficult thing

1595
01:37:59.640 --> 01:38:03.359
to be confronted with an online presence of anonymous individuals

1596
01:38:03.399 --> 01:38:05.560
who can work out some of whatever is going on

1597
01:38:05.600 --> 01:38:09.760
in their own lives, being age or you know, self loathing,

1598
01:38:10.319 --> 01:38:13.159
and then put that onto you. It's shocking. It's like

1599
01:38:13.199 --> 01:38:15.279
you always want the power of invisibility so you can

1600
01:38:15.319 --> 01:38:17.800
see how the world feels about you. This kind of

1601
01:38:17.800 --> 01:38:21.560
situation is like getting that power. Wiseman, who returned his

1602
01:38:21.640 --> 01:38:25.159
Lieutenant Tilly in Starfleet Academy's eighth episode, The Life of

1603
01:38:25.199 --> 01:38:30.520
the Stars, which we'll be reviewing next week. Fans, continued

1604
01:38:30.560 --> 01:38:34.039
by saying, you see the worst things people could say

1605
01:38:34.039 --> 01:38:36.520
about you and the kindest things people could say about you,

1606
01:38:36.600 --> 01:38:38.960
and that's how you find out you don't want the

1607
01:38:39.000 --> 01:38:42.920
power of visibility. Actually, so it's really jarring when it

1608
01:38:43.000 --> 01:38:45.399
first happens. But I hate that anybody else has to

1609
01:38:45.399 --> 01:38:50.119
go through that, especially young people, especially anybody just starting out.

1610
01:38:50.399 --> 01:38:53.119
So I feel very protective and just talking about this

1611
01:38:53.159 --> 01:38:55.479
really makes me want to reach out to them Starfleet

1612
01:38:55.479 --> 01:38:58.640
Academy co stars and see how they're doing. Before the

1613
01:38:58.720 --> 01:39:01.880
arrival of Starfleet Academy, Discovery was often regarded as the

1614
01:39:01.920 --> 01:39:06.640
worst Star Trek series ever produced by who Pete Exit

1615
01:39:07.760 --> 01:39:11.960
and Wiseman's character ensintill He was highly scrutinized, like the

1616
01:39:12.119 --> 01:39:17.840
entire show was so pretty crazy, you know, it's it's

1617
01:39:17.880 --> 01:39:22.880
it's the Internet is like a swamp, all right sometimes,

1618
01:39:22.880 --> 01:39:25.159
and you gotta be careful you put your oar in

1619
01:39:25.399 --> 01:39:29.640
and where you battle. I just think that we've seen

1620
01:39:29.680 --> 01:39:33.520
a lot of negativity, like Mary Wiseman talks about very often,

1621
01:39:33.520 --> 01:39:39.399
it's unfortunately galvanizes its attention towards people of color or

1622
01:39:39.520 --> 01:39:44.000
people who have like alternate sexual forms of expression and

1623
01:39:44.279 --> 01:39:48.039
ultimate gender expression. And it's just it's really makes me sad.

1624
01:39:49.199 --> 01:39:54.279
The universe that Geene Roddenberry invented and his long let

1625
01:39:54.520 --> 01:39:58.600
Inspire us all tries to point us towards a more hopeful,

1626
01:39:58.680 --> 01:40:06.840
optimistic future of acceptance and evolution and diversity, and I

1627
01:40:07.960 --> 01:40:12.600
think that those are beacons of optimism, and to live

1628
01:40:12.640 --> 01:40:15.720
in that world, you need to be probatively positive. And

1629
01:40:15.800 --> 01:40:18.680
if you're always tearing things down and being cruel to

1630
01:40:18.720 --> 01:40:22.439
others and not exhibiting kindness or empathy, I don't know

1631
01:40:22.479 --> 01:40:24.960
that the Star Trek universe is really a good place

1632
01:40:25.000 --> 01:40:30.359
for you. I think it might be some I think

1633
01:40:30.359 --> 01:40:37.600
it might be someplace that you could aspire to get into, right,

1634
01:40:37.680 --> 01:40:40.199
But it's just if it's just it's all about spaceships

1635
01:40:40.199 --> 01:40:43.760
and being mean and tearing people down, you're not really

1636
01:40:43.800 --> 01:40:46.600
living the ethos that the man who created Star Trek

1637
01:40:47.359 --> 01:40:50.119
hoped you would. So it's just kind of like we

1638
01:40:50.119 --> 01:40:53.399
welcome everybody in Star Trek, right, we really do as

1639
01:40:53.479 --> 01:40:57.279
our lovely guest on Monday's special show said, Star Trek

1640
01:40:57.359 --> 01:40:59.840
is forever. If you're in that show, you're in it forever.

1641
01:41:00.039 --> 01:41:03.600
And it's like the Mafia, right, it has a long lifespan,

1642
01:41:03.720 --> 01:41:07.520
doesn't go anywhere. And wouldn't you rather be remembered for

1643
01:41:07.600 --> 01:41:10.680
the things you built and the positive things you said

1644
01:41:10.720 --> 01:41:14.199
that made someone feel good as opposed to the negative

1645
01:41:14.239 --> 01:41:16.159
things that you said that made you sort of look

1646
01:41:16.239 --> 01:41:19.000
like a spoiled child. That's my take on it. What

1647
01:41:19.039 --> 01:41:20.279
do you say, Uncle Jim.

1648
01:41:20.720 --> 01:41:23.239
Well, I think that you touched on it earlier when

1649
01:41:23.359 --> 01:41:27.359
I was talking about letting folks that we've seen before,

1650
01:41:27.600 --> 01:41:33.439
and I think you're right. Old people, old people Okay,

1651
01:41:33.479 --> 01:41:36.760
maybe not David, but old people like the rest of

1652
01:41:37.000 --> 01:41:40.439
us take Star Trek for granted because we've been there

1653
01:41:40.520 --> 01:41:43.600
for all of it. But I think it's very important

1654
01:41:43.640 --> 01:41:48.800
that we give these younger fans the opportunity to experience

1655
01:41:48.920 --> 01:41:52.079
Star Trek the way that we did and let them

1656
01:41:52.199 --> 01:41:54.560
learn from it. I mean, let them watch it and

1657
01:41:54.640 --> 01:41:59.479
let them experience it without being torn down and you know, uh,

1658
01:41:59.560 --> 01:42:02.039
you know, be told this is not Star Trek. You know,

1659
01:42:02.159 --> 01:42:05.840
Gene Roddenberry swimming over in his grave all this other bs. Well,

1660
01:42:06.560 --> 01:42:10.359
let these new fans, Let these these young fans make

1661
01:42:10.359 --> 01:42:13.119
their own mind. Let them watch Star Trek, Let them

1662
01:42:13.159 --> 01:42:15.000
decide if they want to go back and watch the

1663
01:42:15.199 --> 01:42:18.359
Space Nine or Voyage or the best Star Trek movie

1664
01:42:18.359 --> 01:42:28.000
ever made, the Star Trek here. Let but basically, let

1665
01:42:28.159 --> 01:42:32.640
let them experience it themselves, Let them explore it and

1666
01:42:32.760 --> 01:42:35.800
let them make up their own minds without being you know,

1667
01:42:36.600 --> 01:42:39.760
judged or or told by people like us how they're

1668
01:42:39.760 --> 01:42:43.199
supposed to think or what they're supposed to watch. Let

1669
01:42:43.399 --> 01:42:49.279
them experience it like we did. That's my take on it.

1670
01:42:49.319 --> 01:42:52.039
You know, I think a lot of times watching the show.

1671
01:42:52.760 --> 01:42:55.680
It makes me think things I wouldn't normally watch. Watching

1672
01:42:56.159 --> 01:42:58.319
a lot of Star Trek with older actors in it,

1673
01:42:58.399 --> 01:43:01.520
but watching the show, I myself thinking a lot. Imagine

1674
01:43:01.600 --> 01:43:06.800
being right now, somebody in your teens, right growing up

1675
01:43:06.880 --> 01:43:10.560
in America, and if you happen to be somebody who

1676
01:43:10.720 --> 01:43:13.880
is not a white person who's got like say, a

1677
01:43:13.920 --> 01:43:18.479
mixed background, mixed race background, somebody who's questioning, you know,

1678
01:43:18.560 --> 01:43:21.520
what their form of gender expression is. Somebody who might

1679
01:43:21.520 --> 01:43:25.199
be gay, somebody who might be trans, somebody who maybe

1680
01:43:26.000 --> 01:43:28.520
is a first generation American or just came here from

1681
01:43:28.520 --> 01:43:29.840
someplace else, somebody.

1682
01:43:29.560 --> 01:43:33.920
Who's always felt like an outcast. Star Trek is about outcasts.

1683
01:43:34.279 --> 01:43:36.840
Star Trek is about finding a place where you could

1684
01:43:36.880 --> 01:43:39.840
be accepted by being an outcast. That's who Spock was,

1685
01:43:40.319 --> 01:43:43.560
Who's the mother ball outcast, really at war with himself,

1686
01:43:43.600 --> 01:43:47.079
conflicted over his duality, right, And it's just I think

1687
01:43:47.119 --> 01:43:49.479
if you are somebody that is growing up in America

1688
01:43:49.600 --> 01:43:51.800
or anywhere else in the world right now, seeing some

1689
01:43:51.920 --> 01:43:56.199
of the vitriol and hate intolerance that's going on and

1690
01:43:56.920 --> 01:44:01.079
questioning not only your belonging, but you're safe in the.

1691
01:44:01.039 --> 01:44:04.479
World, it can be like a beacon of hope, right

1692
01:44:05.079 --> 01:44:08.479
that hey, you know you're not alone, that there's other

1693
01:44:08.520 --> 01:44:11.119
people out there that are misfits too, but we have

1694
01:44:11.439 --> 01:44:16.880
a calling that we're trying to aspire to and things

1695
01:44:16.920 --> 01:44:20.680
can maybe get better, and that there's hope and optimism

1696
01:44:20.720 --> 01:44:22.359
in a future that if we work together we can

1697
01:44:22.399 --> 01:44:24.960
actually build upon. It is a scary time to go

1698
01:44:25.039 --> 01:44:27.319
through for anybody right now that we're living in so

1699
01:44:27.399 --> 01:44:30.399
but I just I find that it shows like Starfleet Academy,

1700
01:44:30.800 --> 01:44:33.279
I want them to succeed badly because I think we

1701
01:44:33.359 --> 01:44:36.199
need it. Right, I think that young people coming up

1702
01:44:36.279 --> 01:44:40.760
right now need it more than they probably are afraid

1703
01:44:40.760 --> 01:44:44.279
to say so. To fans out there, feel like they

1704
01:44:44.279 --> 01:44:48.239
want to like poke fun that actresses like Mary Wiseman,

1705
01:44:48.880 --> 01:44:51.479
or make fun of people for their appearance or whatever

1706
01:44:51.520 --> 01:44:53.600
it may be, or if it's like that's not how

1707
01:44:53.640 --> 01:44:56.800
it was done back when I was pumping gas in

1708
01:44:56.880 --> 01:45:02.239
nineteen sixty nine. I mean, you know, maybe just consider

1709
01:45:02.960 --> 01:45:03.880
what people are like.

1710
01:45:03.920 --> 01:45:07.199
Now and where things are going and and try to

1711
01:45:07.319 --> 01:45:09.000
just be kind.

1712
01:45:10.520 --> 01:45:13.039
And you know, if you look at Starfleet Academy, because

1713
01:45:13.079 --> 01:45:16.039
that's what we're talking about, you know, here's this group

1714
01:45:16.079 --> 01:45:19.560
of kids that got together. They weren't friends in the beginning.

1715
01:45:20.000 --> 01:45:23.600
They're from varied backgrounds. We have a king, the King

1716
01:45:23.600 --> 01:45:26.039
of Coyonea, well he was going to be the king,

1717
01:45:26.359 --> 01:45:30.560
not anymore. But we have a very wide, diverse collection

1718
01:45:31.000 --> 01:45:37.399
of students, and we've had the opportunity to watch them grow,

1719
01:45:37.880 --> 01:45:41.279
watch them develop, watch them build friendships that will be

1720
01:45:41.600 --> 01:45:47.479
long lasting and overcome their differences whether they're Klingons or

1721
01:45:47.560 --> 01:45:53.640
Coyoneans or you know, princes whatever, and they become friends.

1722
01:45:53.640 --> 01:45:56.560
They build these friendships and we get to see that

1723
01:45:56.680 --> 01:46:00.159
happen and I think it's important that people realize that,

1724
01:46:00.319 --> 01:46:03.479
you know, you can be friends regardless of your background,

1725
01:46:04.079 --> 01:46:07.840
even if you're a blue scally fish, whatever you know,

1726
01:46:08.520 --> 01:46:11.760
you can you can see past all of that. And

1727
01:46:12.159 --> 01:46:16.640
I think Starfleet Academy is exactly what people need to

1728
01:46:16.640 --> 01:46:22.680
see today. And I don't understand the hatred that's thrown

1729
01:46:22.720 --> 01:46:25.319
at it. I haven't understood the hatred thrown at any

1730
01:46:25.399 --> 01:46:29.079
Star Trek series that's been produced, but it seems like

1731
01:46:29.159 --> 01:46:32.520
every Star Trucks show that comes out is just showered

1732
01:46:32.800 --> 01:46:36.760
with hatred. And I don't understand it, never did, never will.

1733
01:46:37.399 --> 01:46:42.119
But Starfleet Academy, Yes, I highly I think we need

1734
01:46:42.119 --> 01:46:47.239
it today. It's just what we need right now. So Eric,

1735
01:46:47.880 --> 01:46:50.399
you're pretty quiet, I mean, what do you think about this?

1736
01:46:51.520 --> 01:46:53.359
Yeah, I mean I'm agreeing with a lot of what

1737
01:46:53.399 --> 01:46:57.199
you you guys are saying. I mean, obviously, I'm all

1738
01:46:57.319 --> 01:47:00.920
for kind of the I guess what I'll call the

1739
01:47:01.039 --> 01:47:04.560
newer direction that Star Trek has taken that we've seen

1740
01:47:04.600 --> 01:47:06.640
since the beginning of Discovery. And I feel like it's

1741
01:47:06.680 --> 01:47:09.880
resonating with who it needs to be resonating with, and

1742
01:47:10.600 --> 01:47:13.760
you know, you know people, people are welcome to I

1743
01:47:13.760 --> 01:47:16.920
guess express their opinions. The difference with the Internet is

1744
01:47:16.960 --> 01:47:20.000
that you can do it in an anonymous setting with

1745
01:47:20.079 --> 01:47:23.199
no consequences. So, you know, people tend to be really

1746
01:47:23.279 --> 01:47:27.119
loud and squawky when when they want to be heard.

1747
01:47:27.359 --> 01:47:30.920
So I just really enjoy seeing kind of some of

1748
01:47:30.920 --> 01:47:34.920
the reviews that our fans put down for these new shows.

1749
01:47:35.359 --> 01:47:39.000
You know, they're not universally shining, but I feel like

1750
01:47:39.039 --> 01:47:41.840
they leave really good comments and give us insight as

1751
01:47:41.880 --> 01:47:45.039
to what is resonating with fans, and I think it's

1752
01:47:45.079 --> 01:47:48.119
a lot more than you know some of the articles. Remember,

1753
01:47:48.159 --> 01:47:50.079
a lot of these articles that we read to guys

1754
01:47:50.119 --> 01:47:53.239
are or that are out there, not the ones necessarily

1755
01:47:53.319 --> 01:47:54.760
that we read, but a lot of the articles that

1756
01:47:54.760 --> 01:48:00.479
are out there are from like just some random neck

1757
01:48:00.520 --> 01:48:07.880
beard dude's blog, right, Like, so just because the random

1758
01:48:07.920 --> 01:48:15.239
neck beard dude says something doesn't make it true my name. Yeah, yeah,

1759
01:48:15.359 --> 01:48:17.920
I just you got to see the forest for the trees, man,

1760
01:48:18.000 --> 01:48:20.880
It's not It's not a world of vitriol out there.

1761
01:48:20.920 --> 01:48:22.920
There's a lot of people who are supporting the show

1762
01:48:23.199 --> 01:48:29.119
and the the the monkeys who are the most insecure

1763
01:48:29.159 --> 01:48:32.520
of the loudest ones, you.

1764
01:48:32.560 --> 01:48:35.039
Know, and that's I think that's I think that that's true,

1765
01:48:35.279 --> 01:48:41.079
and I try really hard. I I don't block or

1766
01:48:41.199 --> 01:48:44.119
hide negative comments. If you don't like the show, put

1767
01:48:44.119 --> 01:48:47.760
it in the comments. What I do block or hide

1768
01:48:47.880 --> 01:48:53.000
are personal attanks, just basic you know, you clearly don't

1769
01:48:53.079 --> 01:48:55.600
understand type of things. But you know, if you have

1770
01:48:55.640 --> 01:48:57.600
a legitimate right, but you don't like it, you've give

1771
01:48:57.600 --> 01:49:00.560
an episode of four or two or zero because of

1772
01:49:00.600 --> 01:49:03.760
this and this and this, you're welcome to that that

1773
01:49:03.760 --> 01:49:07.439
that's fine. It's when you start attacking people and making

1774
01:49:07.520 --> 01:49:11.199
comments that are you know, if you wouldn't say to

1775
01:49:11.239 --> 01:49:14.039
their face, don't say it on the page. That's my

1776
01:49:14.199 --> 01:49:16.600
take on it. And all of the comments that we

1777
01:49:16.680 --> 01:49:19.159
read on the show, and all the comments that are

1778
01:49:19.199 --> 01:49:22.119
in our section, in our comments section on our Facebook

1779
01:49:22.119 --> 01:49:26.399
page are legitimate from fans. There's no ay on there's

1780
01:49:26.399 --> 01:49:28.800
nothing there that these are legitimate fans. And I think

1781
01:49:28.800 --> 01:49:31.560
it's kind of fans that we attract to our page

1782
01:49:31.600 --> 01:49:34.439
because that's the environment that we want to foster on

1783
01:49:34.600 --> 01:49:38.279
Trek Talking. Everybody's welcome here. It's a Star Trek family,

1784
01:49:38.800 --> 01:49:41.319
and that's the type of fans that we attract, and

1785
01:49:41.359 --> 01:49:43.800
that is why you don't see so many of the

1786
01:49:43.920 --> 01:49:48.520
negative comments and the hate in our section because those

1787
01:49:48.600 --> 01:49:52.479
aren't the fans that are attracted to our page. So

1788
01:49:53.359 --> 01:49:55.920
that's all I'm going to say on that topic, unless

1789
01:49:56.920 --> 01:50:00.560
David or Charles or you know something, I.

1790
01:50:00.840 --> 01:50:03.840
Got something to add from an almost old person perspective.

1791
01:50:05.960 --> 01:50:08.600
So I hear a lot what you guys are saying,

1792
01:50:08.600 --> 01:50:10.800
and I do agree a lot of the things that

1793
01:50:10.920 --> 01:50:14.239
have to do along with like, people have their own

1794
01:50:14.640 --> 01:50:19.479
unique abilities, their own unique everything, and everybody's different. Everybody

1795
01:50:19.520 --> 01:50:23.680
has their own likes dislikes, and a lot of it

1796
01:50:23.720 --> 01:50:28.319
is based off of opinions. But from what I've noticed

1797
01:50:28.359 --> 01:50:33.000
in shows looking back on even like the Andy Griffiths Show,

1798
01:50:33.039 --> 01:50:37.279
for instance, right so old shows, black and white movies,

1799
01:50:38.239 --> 01:50:41.760
anything that seems to be longer than a certain amount

1800
01:50:41.840 --> 01:50:48.319
of time seems to lose a lot of what's the

1801
01:50:48.359 --> 01:50:56.600
word I had in my head canon, if you will, continuity.

1802
01:50:56.920 --> 01:51:01.000
Continuity seems to start to anticipate the long a series

1803
01:51:01.239 --> 01:51:04.600
starts to go, and over time it just starts to

1804
01:51:06.680 --> 01:51:09.560
you know, because we're getting new writers, we get new directors,

1805
01:51:09.560 --> 01:51:11.840
we get everything that's coming through. People want to put

1806
01:51:11.840 --> 01:51:17.840
in their own work into a show. This is Kochman track.

1807
01:51:18.279 --> 01:51:21.359
This is what he wanted to make, you know, trying

1808
01:51:21.359 --> 01:51:23.920
to stay with continuity as much as possible, of course,

1809
01:51:24.680 --> 01:51:28.479
and look at TNG compared to GOS, there was just

1810
01:51:28.560 --> 01:51:34.920
a lot of different a whole lot of different variety

1811
01:51:35.039 --> 01:51:39.720
between the two. So to me, looking back over all

1812
01:51:39.800 --> 01:51:42.960
these different types of shows that lasted a very long time,

1813
01:51:43.000 --> 01:51:45.199
and Star Wars is starting to see that right now.

1814
01:51:45.680 --> 01:51:48.199
There's a lot of angry fans in Star Wars just

1815
01:51:48.279 --> 01:51:50.520
as of right now, because people are just kind of like,

1816
01:51:51.399 --> 01:51:53.600
I don't like that, you know, or they did it

1817
01:51:53.600 --> 01:51:56.399
wrong because it's not part of continuity or canon or

1818
01:51:56.399 --> 01:51:58.840
whatever you want to call it. But to me, Star

1819
01:51:58.960 --> 01:52:02.279
Trek myself, well, if I grew up watching Star Treks,

1820
01:52:02.279 --> 01:52:04.560
when I first started watching The Next Generation, and I

1821
01:52:04.600 --> 01:52:09.359
told Eric this, I've told I believe Charles and Uncle

1822
01:52:09.439 --> 01:52:11.000
Jim if they were there, but I think, Paul, this

1823
01:52:11.000 --> 01:52:13.399
is going to be coming to you for the first time.

1824
01:52:13.920 --> 01:52:17.520
So as I grew up, Star Trek to me was

1825
01:52:17.760 --> 01:52:21.760
really important because I suffered trying to find out my identity.

1826
01:52:22.439 --> 01:52:24.720
I had trouble trying to find out who I was.

1827
01:52:25.399 --> 01:52:28.479
I had a lot of dreams that apparently never came

1828
01:52:28.520 --> 01:52:32.279
true because of my current condition. And as I was

1829
01:52:32.359 --> 01:52:37.159
trying to explore myself, Star Trek came on and I

1830
01:52:37.239 --> 01:52:43.000
was like, Wow, this character really inspired me and empowered

1831
01:52:43.039 --> 01:52:46.359
me well to the point where I was just like, Okay, yeah,

1832
01:52:46.439 --> 01:52:49.079
Star Trek is full of hope, is full of the

1833
01:52:49.159 --> 01:52:52.439
future and whatnot, and it's just going to be what

1834
01:52:52.600 --> 01:52:55.880
we all hope that it will become. And to me,

1835
01:52:56.079 --> 01:52:58.359
Star Trek, when I was watching it, it was just

1836
01:52:58.399 --> 01:53:03.119
like more and more things started popping up here and

1837
01:53:03.159 --> 01:53:07.119
there that was just constantly trying to tell me about

1838
01:53:07.199 --> 01:53:10.880
who I was and what I could achieve as follows

1839
01:53:10.920 --> 01:53:15.359
my limited condition, a limited of my condition could achieve,

1840
01:53:15.960 --> 01:53:20.399
and so to me, I was just like struggling. I

1841
01:53:20.479 --> 01:53:25.159
really was struggling a lot growing up, and so finally

1842
01:53:26.159 --> 01:53:28.439
watching Star Trek kind of opened my eyes to a

1843
01:53:28.479 --> 01:53:32.560
lot of the future, of hope and dreams of what

1844
01:53:32.680 --> 01:53:35.960
I could have achieved because I really wanted to be

1845
01:53:35.960 --> 01:53:38.520
an accident when I grew up. I'm not gonna I

1846
01:53:38.560 --> 01:53:40.720
wanted to go step on the moon and I just

1847
01:53:40.760 --> 01:53:43.560
wanted to go to different planets, and to me, I

1848
01:53:43.640 --> 01:53:47.319
can't do that now because of my condition and apparently

1849
01:53:47.359 --> 01:53:49.199
you have to be very super healthy to get up

1850
01:53:49.239 --> 01:53:51.760
the space and all that stuff. But hopefully in time

1851
01:53:52.640 --> 01:53:57.359
technology you know, my help. But overall though Star Trek,

1852
01:53:57.399 --> 01:53:59.760
to me, I loved Star Trek. It's one of my

1853
01:54:00.039 --> 01:54:03.439
favorite franchises out there, and it's sad to see people

1854
01:54:04.760 --> 01:54:06.840
bad talking about it. And yes, I agree with that.

1855
01:54:07.079 --> 01:54:11.119
Everybody has their own opinion. I for myself doesn't really

1856
01:54:11.399 --> 01:54:15.239
enjoy Star Fleet Academy that much, but you know, it

1857
01:54:15.319 --> 01:54:17.479
might grow on me, just like Star Trek Discovering. So

1858
01:54:18.399 --> 01:54:21.479
to me, that's my take on what I think is

1859
01:54:21.560 --> 01:54:25.039
going on with why people are saying bad things about

1860
01:54:25.039 --> 01:54:25.560
this show.

1861
01:54:27.239 --> 01:54:30.640
Yes, there, but now you're a Star Trek podcast or

1862
01:54:30.760 --> 01:54:34.960
how many people can say that? Right? True, it is

1863
01:54:35.000 --> 01:54:38.319
a dream, So yeah.

1864
01:54:40.600 --> 01:54:44.319
I guess I will jump in here. I will jump

1865
01:54:44.319 --> 01:54:44.720
in here.

1866
01:54:44.760 --> 01:54:44.960
Then.

1867
01:54:45.680 --> 01:54:48.640
I do have conversation with a few of my high

1868
01:54:48.680 --> 01:54:53.359
school friends who do have sometimes some negativity towards some

1869
01:54:53.359 --> 01:54:58.479
of the shows, including Academy. That's also the fact that they've.

1870
01:54:59.680 --> 01:55:00.680
Grew up with.

1871
01:55:00.840 --> 01:55:09.760
Tostn G all of the Legacy series, and I think

1872
01:55:09.800 --> 01:55:14.840
a lot of them that's that's their comfort that's their

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comfort level is the old legacies and so when the

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new series are coming out, it's out of their comfort zone,

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and so they're not as crazy about seeing what the

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changes are occurring. I, for one, sit there and say, Okay,

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I'm gonna go outside my comfort zone and I want

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to see what changes they're gonna make and why I

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am enjoying seeing Starfleet Academy.

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And I will I got to do.

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My at least my second run of episode eight, which

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were you can talk about next week, but I'm pretty

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sure I'm gonna spoil. I'm probably gonna have a pretty

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good score on that one. That one left a bit

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of an impression on me.

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Just got the curiosity child. Have you talked to Nathan

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to Nate about Starfleet Academy And I'm curious what he

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thinks about it.

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I think Nate's been very busy, and I don't think

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he's been keeping up with the series yet though I

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know he but I know he was telling me the

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fact that he is and had been doing a lot

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of time on Disney Plus and catching up with the

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Star Wars universe and he's now getting through he just

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01:56:43.600 --> 01:56:48.000
got through and or season two, and I know he's

1896
01:56:48.039 --> 01:56:50.720
talked about a very good positive hype about that.

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Well, guys, that wraps up our show, believe it or not.

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And you can see Tilly on the screen right there.

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And that's a teaser for next week because Sylvie will

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tell you is back at storically Academy episode eight, Life

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01:57:08.960 --> 01:57:12.039
of the Stars, and we will be talking about that

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in great length and detail next week. And like I said,

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we are a week behind because of the Adam, so

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that's cool. I did give us an extra week to

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01:57:23.279 --> 01:57:28.239
digest these final episodes of Strangely where else.

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01:57:28.479 --> 01:57:32.840
So I would like to take this on to Academy

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hanging out and Trek talking with us. Thank you so

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much to Paul.

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It's a lot of good things to talk about this week.

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I think it always is. It's always it's good to

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reorient and and enjoy these conversations very.

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Much, and of course thank you so much to Eric

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for hanging out and truck talking with us tonight.

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Thank you Eric, and absolutely good time as always.

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And of course thank you to Charles as well, Thank

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you Charles.

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Always fun.

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And of course thank you to David for these awesome

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some graphics that he puts on the screen, these video

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clips that he puts together. Thank you David.

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Yeah, it's been fine, and apparently I'm super delicious.

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01:58:12.800 --> 01:58:16.560
I never knew you're gonna have to share the David Bond.

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Did you bring any for the whole class? Uh uh?

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And we missed be tonight, but hopefully we will have

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internet up and running and she'll be back next week

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Sylvie until he's reform of the Start Universe hopefully and

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excellent host Uncle Jim saying that everybody please stay safe.

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I'd be good to each other. Heling frequencies are closed.

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Good night everybody, good night, love.

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Long and frost pal.

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Mister, I had.

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Warm block wound, Sir heading sir.

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Out there

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Way m that