Episode 672 - ADAM NIMOY interview

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0:47 Now about the series to series. Well, good evening, trek Is and Treks around the Globe. It's Thursday, February twelve, twenty twenty six. Welcome to episode six hundred and seventy two of Trek Talking and Beyond.

1:32 I'm your most excellent host, Uncle Jim, and boy, we got a great show planned for you guys today. Before we go through bar, I like to go around and reduce all of my trek sports. First of all, I want to say hello to vv is out in Virginia. How you do it tonight? I am good and if I appear blue, I don't know why, but I am not an entorian. I just keep on fading in and out with being blue. I don't know why of all the nice to look weird. To her, you look fine to me. And we also have with us Eric. Eric is out in Portland. How you doing tonight? I am doing great, Jim. I'm pumped for tonight's show.

2:12 Very excited to chat with Adam, so yeah, let's do it. Absolutely. We also have with us David. He's our miracle worker. He's out in Portland as well. How you doing tonight, Ic. I'm sorry, David, I kind of look. Like, yeah, I'm doing but a good. Uh yeah, I'm super pumped. Well, I can't wait to get in and talk to Adam and see how this goes. Welcome Adam. And last but not least, we have with us child. Child is not in Las Vegas. How you doing tonight, Child? I'm doing good. Long day. Great to get to some Trek talking finally.

2:52 Yep, it's been a long time. So without any further ado, we have with us right now live. We have Adam Eymoy and he's the son of the legendary Leonard Nimoy, mister Spot that we all know and love from Star Trek. He's also the ex husband of Terry Ferrell. That's from Deep Space nine. A lot of Star Trek connections here. He was the assistant to nuss Meyer on the set of Star Trek sixth The Undiscovered Country, and later directed the Starts with the Next Generation episodes Rascals and Time Skate. He's the author of two memoirs about his life, career, and relationship with his father, My Incredibly Wonderful, Miserable Life, originally published in two thousand and eight, and The Most Human, published in twenty twenty four. And with that, yep, there we go. He's got the book right there and without and further ado, I would like to introduce Adam and welcome him to the show. Welcome to the show, Adam.

3:49 Thanks for having me. Jim appreciate it. I got to tell a little story before we get started, because that's what I do. I tell stray so. End of mine. Jerry Silver was at a synagogue in all but in New York where you were speaking, and he talked to you and he got how to get in touch with you, which I did, and then later on ended up having you at a convention in Schenecting in New York at practice theater called Fandom Best, and I ran into you over there as well, and we've been trying to work out your appearance on the show ever since that time.

4:29 So I'm very very glad that we were able to finally get you on the show. Thank you so much. And I want to ask you a question that I asked every guest that comes on the show. What did you think about our intro song? I mean, get covered all the bases, that's for sure. It's just some images of things I hadn't seen or thought about in years. That's what we try to do. We try to have some fun. So I wanted to ask I wanted to talk to you a little bit about you're directing because your father, other than being you know, known as mister Spock, was also a great director, and you followed in his footsteps.

5:09 And I wanted to know what was it like to direct your father because you actually had the opportunity to direct him. So what was it like to direct your father? Well, it was a great experience, actually, I mean it was kind of a big turning point in my directing career. It was my third episode. It was the Outer Limits episode that we made together. It was a remake of an episode that he was originally in back in the sixties, I robot and he had a supporting role in that episode. At the time, you know, my dad and I were doing pretty well together and he was trying to help me with my career. And I had directed the two Next Generation episodes but didn't know where to go next to try to.

5:54 Find a job. It's very competitive finding these jobs directing one hour dramas. And my dad said, well, you know, we noticed that they were rebooting Showtime was was was rebooting the Outer Limits series and and my dad suggested going to them and pitching the idea of of remaking that episode with him in the in the lead role. He would be attached to it if I was attached to direct, and they agreed. So we got a script together and he and I went up to Vancouver to shoot it. It was great working with him. You know, my dad had helped me a lot in transitioning from practicing law into directing TV. He had given me a lot of advice and we sat down and broke down you know, scripts, and.

6:40 He gave me a lot of assignments to. Do, and he was very helpful when we were on the show on the Otter Limits. He was he was nice in that it was great in that he was giving me a lot of feedback and positive instruction without acting in a condescending manner in front of the cast and crew. A lot of it. He would take me to the side and make suggestions to me about ways to economize on filmmaking, which was a big part of what he was all about, how to get great film quickly and save time because we're under so much time pressure when we made this show. Watching some of your father's movies, you know, what have you What did you learn from him? And how is your style different from his?

7:26 Well, you know, with my dad, it's always on the page. It's got to be on the page. That's the whole deal is it's not on the page, it's not going to be in the show. You can't make a show in post production. You can't make a good film in post production. Being very specific about what the script looks like, what the theme of it is. My dad was very big on I mean, I learned a lot from him. The other thing was what is my personal connection to the story. He always felt that it was important to find some some way to connect on a personal level to what is the story that I was telling. It's the same thing with Dad and Spock. The reason why I think.

8:07 Spock was so successful is that he had a personal identification with Fox Spock being the ultimate outsider, as was Leonard, coming from this bubble of an existence in the West End of Boston, the son of Russian immigrants at the time, and how to break out of that and get into American society. My dad was very much the outsider as well. So that kind of connection to the story or the character is critical to help you better tell that story or better play that character. Excellent. And I also want to ask when you were directing Star Trek, did you feel any pressure directing Star Trek being the son of Leonard Nimoy or what was that like the direct Star Trek.

8:55 Well, there's always pressure. I mean, you know, you don't look. I was observing on that Next Generation for an entire season before Rick Berman gave me an episode to direct. You know, I was on my own dime. I was just following directors around, and there were a number of terrific directors, most notably David Carson, who shot the pilot for Deep Space nine. You know, I really glommed onto him because I really liked his style and his his the way he prepared to direct episodes. You know, it's all in the prep. This is another big you know, Leonard Nemoy school of directing is that you got to really do your homework before you get there. And David, you know, Carson was very big on that, you know, very detailed in his notes and his blocking and edit lists, cut lists, I mean, uh and and so I had to learn from these guys before I even got the episode.

9:47 Well, when I finally got the episode, it's nothing. You know, you don't know what it's like until you're in it, and and directing you know yourself and you're in the in the driver's seat, it's a whole different perspective. And there was a lot of pressure, you know, and I made a lot of mistakes. Frankly, it was my first job, and I thought I knew what I was doing, but I didn't really. I mean, I directed a lot of short move films and scene work and but and the cast and crew were very good to me because I knew them well having been there for a year prior, so everybody was pretty patient with me. The second episode was more problematic because it was near the end of that season, and you know, after twenty two episodes, people are just tired and they are not as patient, you know, as they would otherwise be when they're fresher when you're starting the season out.

10:36 So it was more challenging. It was more pressure then to try to step up to the plate and make less mistakes. But you just. Inevitably you do make mistakes. So good learning experiences. So grateful to the cast and crew. Marvin Rush and Jonathan West, you know, really helped me out on those I loved the cast of the Next Generation, all those people were very kind to me. And uh, and but it wasn't really until the Utter Limits that I came more into my own as a director. Uh. You know, when I started working with my dad on that episode, that's when I felt more confident and even though I made mistakes still, but I had more of a sense of what the rhythm is and what I needed to do to deliver a successful episode.

11:23 Well. Uh, it was, as Patrick start, really the jokester on the sets when they're filming, like as we've heard. Well, I think it's freaks. I think the Franks is the biggest jokester on the side. I mean he's yeah, he's no, it's Jonathan. No. Not. When I worked with him, it wasn't Patrick. Uh. And and when I was watching them, it was it. Look they were all into it. After several seasons of these shows, you know, uh, you're just looking to break up the monotony sometimes so uh. And they did that on the first season of the original series. You know, Bill Shatner was always trying to get my dad to crack up and break character. They all work basically, That's why did that walk on on that first season, you know, to try to get a letter to start, you know, to laugh a little bit. You know, everybody, it's very, very difficult work. And this is a big part of directing that I discovered is is to look for the joke and make light of it, and to try to have fun and to bring enthusiasm to the project and a sense of preparedness, you know. I mean I taught directing for eight years at the New York Film Academy I at in Burbank. And and the fact of the matter is directing is performance art. Your audience is the cast and crew on that show. They're watching you because they want to know if you know what the hell you're doing because you know, it's a lot. It's a lot of work that has to get done in whatever it is, anywhere from six to eight to ten days,

12:56 depending on your budget, and it's a pressure. So we're all. You know, I'm always looking for the joke. And one of the things I posted was I did it. I did this show with Michael Madson and I was really under pressure on that show to deliver and perform. I was called Vengeance Unlimited, and I was nervous my first day. Before Michael came on. You know, that guy had a reputation, you know, is being a bad boy in Hollywood. You know, fast cars, fast women, and playing fast and loose with the irs, you know, And I was worried about this guy. He was on Reservoir Dogs and he was not a pleasant character. But when he got on the set, the first thing he started saying to me was how much he loved Star Trek and loved Leonard.

13:36 And I said to him, I. Put my arm around him and said, you know, well, you remember the episode where you know, Kirk was all upset about the triples and the quadrantry to Kayley. I put my arm around and I'm going to start to walk him off the set, and I looked back at the crew and I said to those guys, take five, guys, we'll be back. In a few minutes. We're going to talk track for a while. And they thought that was funny. You know, it was funny, you know, because it broke up, you know, the kind of the intenseness, the anticipation of And then after that, every day was just fun, pure fun, and we got great film. And it sets a tone. You know, so uh you know, you know, so when you know when Franks was doing it, I mean, Brent was doing they were all doing it. You know, they were all looking for the laugh and and you really begin to appreciate that after a while, the work is simply just too difficult.

14:27 So one more question before I pass the microphone over to V. So, what is your favorite Star Trek movie movie? Yeah, the movies? Yeah, I would, I would always, you know, Gravitate towards Rathacon and and the reason for that is it's a great idea, it's a great film. It's Nick Meyer. It's without that we wouldn't have a lot of what we have. I really from me believe that. I mean, the first film was such a bummer. You know, it was just not it just did not. It missed the mark of what Star Trek was all about. And you know, I mean, great director Robert Wise, I mean, come on, you know, it's like West Side Story and Sound of Music and Davy Eaders stood still. I mean, the guy's incredible, but it's just the chemistry was not there. Nick got everything back on track, and in fact, you know, my dad thought Star Trek two, there's going to be the end of it, because uh, you know, it's just it may not continue on. And that's why he was okay with killing off Spock. But once they saw the film and it was a good film, and it was a successful film, then everybody thought, hey, this thing's got life to it. We could we could go on doing this for a while, and they did. For you know, after that, there was four more original series.

15:43 Cast member movies. So Rathacon I think is so critical to the whole franchise and got everything back on track and and just you know, and I just love what Nick did with that that episode, and Ricardo and everybody was just on their game, you know what I mean. I mean, it was just I think it's a fabulous episode. That's not to take away from a lot of the other work that's been produced, you know, since then, with with the with the Next Generation crew, and and with J. J. Abrams iteration. You know, I love his stuff too, so but two is my favorite. But I mean, besides, of course, you know, we stad directed and was most successful with the original cast member. I mean, I love for I just watched it recently. It's a fabulous film. Also with a lot of dialogue from Nick Meyer.

16:29 Coincidentally excellent, excellent, And uh, I'm going to pass the microphone over to you, V. I know you've been patiently waiting you. You've got your books and everything ready. Yes, Well, and I don't know, just a technical thing. I cannot see Adam. I see his name, but the little window is blank for some reason. I don't know why everything looks good on this. Okay, Well I'm blue, so you know it's something going on. You are blue? Okay, all right, so I have I was. I don't care if people know how old I am. I was three years old when Star Trek first came on TV.

17:14 And I don't remember exactly when I saw if it was a rerunner, if it was when it first aired, But the first episode I remember is Devil in the Dark, and that's of course a very intense one with your dad, and I believe it or not, that's what, even as a little kid, inspired me to want to be you to act, and I've loved that. I've loved acting ever since. I've done nothing major, of course, but Star Trek gave me that desire, and so having given up hope that I'll be in something Star Trek one of these days.

17:54 But Star Trek four was my favorite movie because it was just so much you know, it seemed very very dire, but your dad, I think put he put a lot of hope and joy into it, and that's what I loved. And also humor. The humor was great. The lines between Spock and Kirk were just fantastic. I also loved Three Men and a Baby, by the way, that's also one of my favorite movies. Now with your book, I just finished reading it for the second time. Wow that it's just so it's emotional, it's raw at times, and I just thank you for you know, putting it out there because there are those of us who have had similar issues with our parents, and I never got to reconcile with my dad. But it was just one of those things where it was what it was. But I have two easy questions to ask you, and then I'll ask a little more deeper question. One, do you still have the mister Toad cuff links and tie clip? No.

19:09 Yeah, that's so kind of you to ask about that and to take the time to read the material. I really appreciate it. Uh. Yeah, No, they they disappeared, and I'm sorry to say I don't have the Mister Toad. I love those things, and I don't know what happened. I never wore them. They were always in my little jewelry box that I got from my barn, miss But they were prized possessions because the background on that that my father went went and bought them for me without you know, it was hard for him to kind of think of me and and and and you know, to buy a gift from me. Because you know, I talk a lot about this in the book. He was very distracted by his career. Family was not a priority to him.

19:51 Uh. It was all about the work and supporting our family before Trek came along. And then when Trek came along, it was all about doing the work, which were long days on the set and then on the weekends and during the hiatus when they weren't shooting, my dad was all over the country performing in theater or making personal appearances. So it was very unusual for him to come home and having brought something home from a gift for me. And even though they were, you. Know, the set was really designed for a younger person than myself at the time. I was twelve when he brought them home. I just thought it was very touching that he was thinking about me while he was on the road. But unfortunately I don't they've since.

20:33 Disappeared and stuff as a way of doing that sometimes when especially when you move. Also, you're a big Beatles fan. I got that from the book. Is that correct? That is correct? This is the Fab four on the set of Hard Day's Night. I'm a Beatle finacal. Oh yeah, me too. What do you have a favorite? I know it's hard. Do you have a favorite Beatles song? Song? Yes? Or how about top five? How about that? Is that easier? Well? No, you know, I'm look I it's really tough.

21:14 But I love Paul McCartney because he's so versatile and the man is just amazing, you know. I mean, Bob Dylan talked about the fact that that you know, Paul can do these incredible ballads and then sing like Little Richard, you know, just pure raw rock and roll. I mean, he was the most versatile and of the band, and in the end he came up with some of the bigger hits. But I'm a Lenin fan, you know, you know, it's all about for me, it's like ticket to ride and I feel fine, he's Lenin tunes and help. I mean in my life, I'm I'm you know, Lennon is more I'm more akin with him than I am with Paul. But but again, you can't take away from the fact that Paul is just so versatile and just continues to.

21:57 Make great music. Because my my favorite is Hey Jude, I just that's that's my go to song as far as but but as far as John's, I would think imagine I've been playing a lot lately because it's got a great message. So as far as Star Trek, well, the as you know, whenever anything new comes out with Star Trek, like the Starfleet Academy, it's always very polarizing, and it just seems that Starfleet Academy is getting a lot of not so nice criticisms and and whatnot. And then last week we had one of our stories where I won't mention him, won't mention his name, but a certain member of the current administration wanted to get William Shatner to take over Star Trek because he didn't like the diversity and inclusion and uh equality in it. What would if he were to ask you that, what would you what would you say?

23:05 How would you reply? Because obviously he doesn't understand Star Trek. Well, look, uh, the important thing is that Star Trek has survived and still resonates people. We are in the sixtieth year now, coming up on six years of Star Trek. What is the magic formula? It's it's it's it's Roddenberry, Geene Roddenberry's vision of the future. And that is what people tell me repeatedly. It's it's positive, it's inclusive. We're going to figure our stuff out on this planet, you know, not just within this country, but on the planet. And not just on the planet, but we're going to partner up with other planets to form the United Federation of Planets.

23:46 Uh and and you know, and in conjunction in coordination and cooperation go off, you know, on the journey throughout the universe. So it's a positive look and we and we need a positive look at the future. I mean, I think most people are very hungry for that, you know, that they're that it's gonna it's all gonna work out and it's all going to be good. I mean, the long arm of history is gonna is going to bend in our favor, uh, and that we're going to survive and and we're gonna do it well. So you know, to me, it just comes back to this a very simple you know, philosophy and formula. But that is what the legacy of Star Trek is about. That is the genius of Gene Roddenberry. And and that's why I think we continue to see these iterations. I mean what you know, sometimes they're they're you know there some are better than others.

24:32 But I'm just glad to see that they're making it, you know. Uh, you know, I I love all the iterations that have come out. You know, do I love every episode? No? Do I love every episode of the original series. Absolutely not. There's plenty of placebo episodes in the original series that we could do without, you know, But the fact of the matter is that it's just a positive message to the future. That's and I want to stay positive. Most people I think want that and need that, and that's what we should be focusing. On, exactly. I agree. Now, going with the diversity and inclusion, going to the to the documentary which I watched a couple times for the Love of stock and George de Kay telling the story of how your father insisted on him and Michelle Nichols to be included in the animated series when they didn't want to put them in there, but also on the original series, your dad pushed for Nachelle to get equal pay. Did that come out of his growing up or what? What? What was that? It is so fantastic that he that he did that. I mean he exemplified, you know, the Star Trek ideal. But where did that come from?

25:50 Was well, it's hard to say. I just think my dad had a tremendous sense of the importance of the collaboration with everybody. I mean, that's what I think. It was a terrific director as well. Is that you know, he understood that the importance of Star Trek is this this again Gene Runberry idea of infinite diversity and infinite combinations. I d I see. And the fact is that, you know, really what was going on in the seventies when they came up with the animated series is you know, after three runs or so, I mean, this is the problem with the Screen Actors Guild at the time, maybe having to do with the president of the Screen Actors Guild who shall remain nameless, but they were there was a sellout to the producers.

26:32 After three runs of the show, You're done. There's no residuals. No one was making any money, including Gene Roddenberry, which is why he's carrying the blooper reels around, you know, and showing. Him to people. And my dad was on the on the lecture circuit and doing theater work and doing in search of they're all looking for work. So it didn't make sense to my dad that they were going to do this show and then and then have the Shell and Jimmy Dewan do all the other voices while other people are out of work. That just it's just innate sense of fairness, which is, you know, my dad had a real sense of a real social conscience. I think which probably came from where he grew up, which is, you know, on the streets of Boston, from very humble beginnings, you know, and.

27:14 The struggle to survive. So I think and those ten years, by the way, this is what's really critical that shaped my dad from nineteen fifty six when I was born. Dad came to Hollywood in forty nine fifty six I'm born. He's got a family afford to support my older sister, my mother, and you know, me and himself. So it's a struggle to keep things going while you do it, you know, pursue an artistic career. And I think he was acutely aware of that that these people are not working and they need the job and they need the money and they should be hired. And he felt that he had leverage, He had some leverage, you know, and it was like, he just doesn't want to be involved if they're not going to be involved. So, you know, my dad's always had that kind of social conscience about him. And as George the Kay says in my film, has said a lot about about you know, and Walter said the same thing.

28:02 It said a lot about my dad. He really did care about the people he was working with and their will being. Yeah, I won't lie. That documentary made me cry a couple of times. But last question, at the in the end credits, you've got Storman, which is one of my favorite songs as well, because I love David Bowie. Who because I couldn't find out who sang that, because. That was something well the band just called Furiosa, and the band Furiosa is basically my son Jonah Nemo replaced everything. Okay, I was going to ask, Oh, that was fantastic, Oh my gosh, I love that. Yeah. That came about because when we were editing the spot doc at the beginning of twenty sixteen, I think is when Bowie had passed away.

28:49 We were in the middle of. Post production and Jonah, my son, came up to me. We were going to see him play at a small club out in Burbank, and he said to me, we're going to be doing this song in tribute to David Bowie because he had just passed. And the whole family was there at this nightclub and they played the song and it was it was mind boggling how good they were. Yeah, and I just thought, oh my god. So I said, we're recording the song this week and I and I gave him five hundred bucks. He got a studio and he plays every instrument on that you know, on that record. Yeah, I mean, Shoana is multi talented and a great producer working with him. And I just thought, you know, and and the song is so you know, it could be about Spock, you know, you know about it just about an alien. You know, it's about an alien.

29:40 You know. I just thought it made sense. We're gonna pay tribute to Spock, We're gonna pay tribute to David Bowie, and we're gonna we're gonna show off some of the talents of my son, you know. So that's how that all came out. Well, even though it's been ten I can't believe it's been ten years since that came out. Tell him for me that I just absolutely loved it. And that made me cry too, so because it was so beautiful. So yeah, So one last thing, I found this book. I got this a long time ago. This is a wonderful book that your dad wrote. And this is one of my prize possessions. But he took a lot of heat for that book. Yah. Who Yeah, the fans, the fans were really pissed off about the title.

30:27 I can't please everybody. All Right, I'm going to shut up now and turn it over to my colleagues. So thank you for answering my questions. Thank you for your insightful questions. I appreciate that. All right, Adam, I think it's my turn now. Hi. I'm Eric, So nice to meet you. Well, so, I guess since we're, you know, talking about the book, if we're working our way back in time. So I also read the book, and actually both Charles and myself are big fans of audio books, and so it was fun to have the audio book as read by the author, which is one of my favorite ways to sort of take in an audio book. Can you tell us just a little bit about the recording of that? Did you know you wanted to do your own reading of that or did somebody ask you to?

31:08 How did that come about? Well? I had an audition to do it. There weren't they didn't automatically ask me. I had to do an audition tape, uh, and then I had a great guy who was producing and engineering it in Santa Monica. You know, it's a marathon. I mean, it's a lot of it's a lot of words over several days in a recording booth, and I really enjoyed doing it because you know, I just I enjoyed that kind of thing, and it was it was a great experience, and people seem to appreciate. I don't listen to it, you know, It's like I just want to move on and not hear myself. You know, I can't stand looking at interviews of myself. But it was a really good experience, and most people seem to think that it was, you know, passable work.

31:54 But thank you. Yeah, I absolutely absolutely so. I like the you know, found the book to be pretty raw at times, you know, you get into the nitty gritty, which I think is one of the great things about the book, the most human there. It is available in audiobook and written book, and actually I have a kindle version of it as well, so you know, so I believe that this was kind of an amalgamation of a lot of different kind of writings that you had done about your relationship with your father over time, and you sort of brought them together. And I'm I'm wondering, was this book your concept? Were you the one who brought it together, or was somebody like Hey, you know what.

32:35 You should do. You should take these couple of things you've done and sort of like bring it all together into one cohesive thing. Well well, no, yeah, it was my idea. I mean it started off I started to delve into this a little bit about the problems in my relationship with my dad. In My Incredibly Wonderful, Miserable Life, my first book in eight you know, about being in recovery and still trying to figure out our relationship with one another. It was only it was, you know, Ina, when we started to really reconcile with one another, we still had a lot of problems and you know what a life and recovery is like. You know that that was something that I wanted to share. I mean, the idea we in the film For the Love of Spock. In the documentary, I talked a little bit about the issues that I was having with my dad. The most human my most recent book, does the deep dive of what happened and how how we were able to reconcile and have this close, loving relationship the last eight years really of my dad's life.

33:36 But the reason why, the way it came about was that I was sharing this story in recovery. I got. I'm still in recovery. I'm twenty two years sober, and I go to twelve step meetings in alan On, which is for family people who have a family member who's got to has an alcohol or addiction problem. And my qualifier was my dad. I admitted alcoholic in that inner that my mailed interview with with none other than Bill Shatner. And so I was sharing at those meetings and the AA meetings I went to, and anonymously these people didn't know I was Letardnie Moist. I didn't need to know. But when I talked about how I was able to reconcile with my dad after these after year decades of problems with him, up and down relationship with him, it inspired people. I mean, people come up to me afterwards after the share and they'd say, I'm going to.

34:27 Call my parent. You know, you gave me some inspiration, and I think, you know, I'm going to try to use some of the tools for recovery and see if I can reconcile with a parent. So that's when I started to think, you know, I should just do the deep dive and get into more than nitty gritty and get the book out there to people. Now, it's not a tell all. I don't do, you know, I'm not talking about I talk about some of the tough stuff that happened, but not everything. And the reason for that is that I got myself a really good editor in New York City, a woman who had been in the publishing industry for a number of years and who knew nothing about Star Trek perfect You're hired because she wasn't invested in it or my dad, you know, but she was also cognizant like I was, that this guy's got a legacy. He's loved and adored by man's and fans all over the world.

35:15 They don't want to hear a bunch of trash talk, and it's not I really, I'm trying not to be judgmental. I'm honest about some of the episodes. But again, I don't tell everything, and I'm very careful to say I'm always proud of my dad. And the fact of the matter is. This is a guy who was desperate to survive when he came to LA His priority was his career and making money just to support us. It wasn't the family until later on in his life, when his priorities had changed. So for all those reasons, And I love writing. I'm a writer. I've always been. I've been journaling since I was a kid, you know. So I love the process of writing. I love working with that editor, you know, the mantra with her, I said, I'm just what she says, like, what do you need me to do? It's like, help me shape this book and just make me a better writer. That's all I want to do.

36:05 I want to be a better writer. And and she did it, you know, with a rule around my knuckles, like no more. I feel like the word and has to go, and the word butt has to go. You got over your book and in butt. That's great. Well, I mean a good editor does that right, makes the writer so much better. That sounds like that was a great experience. And it sounds like putting it all together was maybe cathartic in some ways too, which of. Course it's you know, it is as you're processing all this material. So was making the documentary, you know, I mean, you know, you're grieving for a parent. I'm grieving for my dad in a way that most people don't really get to process this stuff. We're looking at film. I'm looking at old you know, photos of him, old family, you know, publicity stuff with him, his roles and other other medium and you know, I mean we went through the whole history of Leonard Nimoy while we were making that documentary, which gave me a chance to really process of the loss, the tremendous loss of my dad.

37:03 Yeah, I can imagine. I mean, it was so fresh at the time. And of course we're talking, as V said, ten it was ten years ago that you made the documentary For the Love of Spock, which is a you know, pretty much a retrospective of his life and gives a lot of information about not only family but him individually and acting and all that sort of thing. I really liked. At one point you draw some neat comparisons between Sarah and Spock and yourself and your dad, and I thought that was really effective because I also kind of have have had a strained relationship with family members before and kind of I get it. So it felt very relatable to me to get a little personal I guess at towards the end of that film, I think it's kind of before the sort of last scene where you do the interviews about the one word about your dad. But right before that, there's this scene from Burning Man where it looks like there was a wall of photos that was sort of dedicated to your dad. That that then in the documentary as they do the Burning Man thing, you know, you sort of show those kind of going up in flames. And so I'm I have my own kind of way that I interpreted that scene and you know, kind of felt it and I'm just curious why. You know, where did that scene come from for you and what did it mean to you? And you know, was that a letting go moment or or what did it mean

38:34 for you? Well, yeah, that all came about because at the time, my daughter was dating a guy who was a Burning Man fanati. He dragged her into the Nevada Desert, you know, three years in a row, and they went there that year. This was I guess this was the year my dad died twenty fifteen, and U she came across that thing and it blew her mind because there was that montage of it was a collage of photos of my dad and his life and you know, family and me. You know, she saw the picture of me in there and it just really resonated with her. And then I had another friend who was there coincidentally, and he took a bunch of pictures of that that whole collage. And then a friend of Maddie my daughters had had taken some video of of that whole you know, of the temple that they burned down. They typically burned it at the end of the of the.

39:35 A couple of weeks that they're out there. I just thought it was like a great way to kind of like have a funeral pyre and letting go and a final. Goodbye, you know. I mean, I still get emotional when I see that thing, you know that you know, everything going up in flames. We were able to find a lot of that film online. We found it through Maddie's friend, and we created some of that film. Yeah. We we got the pictures of the of the collage and I got art director friend of mine put me in touch with an artist and she put that collage together on on some poster board and I have my carpenter, Miguel, build the structure that it was on and we put it together in my backyard and we burned it down.

40:24 To get the crafts I needed. Yeah, I didn't we didn't have everything. We had a lot, but we didn't have everything we wanted close ups of the thing burning. There was nothing that that didn't exist, that was all created. I mean that's the magic of filmmaking. But I think it's a. Great moment in the movie of a real you know, you know, just an homage to him and a final farewell. You know, I just I I really I love that. I get very emotional. A lot of people get ve got emotional. You know, you just can't help it. You know, this Leonard meant so much to so many people. You know, it's just which is really which is lovely? You know. This is the thing about about Spock and Leonard is that he still resonates now, the guy.

41:06 I mean, we're coming up on the eleventh anniversary of. My dad's passing, but you know, people just still love him. And I feel the love when I go to the conventions or you know, people figure out I'm related to him, they're just a light light up, you know. And it's really it's such a wonderful feeling that he has such an This this scrawny kid from you know, from the West end of Boston, had so much impact on people all over the world. It's just phenomenal. Absolutely. Well, I guess since we've talked about the past and the present, what about your future. Do you have other projects that you've got on the burners right now? Do you have the other things you're thinking about? Do you have the other things you want to do. What's the future of Adam Nemoy look like?

41:51 Well? Yeah, I mean coincidentally, at the moment, I'm working on a documentary right now about a friend of mine who's the bass player in the music industry. M Yeah, Bob gloub Bob Cloud is one of one of the most successful unknown in the music is. I didn't know you everybody, Yes, a musician. I totally know who he is. Do you know who he is? Okay, well, of course I know who Yeah. Most people don't know who he is. That's the beauty of this piece for working on is that he's uh that most people have. No idea who Bobby is. But he's played on you know, a dozen hit records, and he's played with dozens and dozens of famous rock artist you know, UH, rock and country and and h R and B. And you know, he played with John Lennon on the rock and Roll album UH. And he played with Ringo on one of Ringo's album and he's played with everybody. So we're making a little documentary about about guys like Bob who have had incredible careers but are really, you know, unheralded. You know, they're they're just unknown, They're not they're not uncelebrated these that they should be, you know, And I think that's kind of the fun of it at the moment.

43:04 That's that's what That's my newest project. I love that. Do you have a working title for that yet? Or I'm just I'm just the bass player. I'm just the bass player. All right? Cool? That sounds great. I can't wait to see it. I guess last question that I will finish my round of questions with is at the very end of your documentary. I I've mentioned it before, but you ask a bunch of people to sort of describe your dad in one word, and and then there's this great moment where where Zachary Quinto's like, what's your word? And then you can go to credits. Don't tell us what your word is? Do you have a word and would you be willing to share it? Yeah? The word is passion. M h.

43:45 That's what Leonard was all about, you've got to be passionate about the work. Otherwise it's going to be it's too hard and it'll crush you without this singular passion and obsession to be, you know, to work as a as a performer, as an artist, as an actor. I'm I mean, that's what drove my dad and kept him going. He just has such a love of the work. And that's what convinced me that this this you know, practicing law thing is for the birds. I mean I was passionate about it maybe ten percent of the time. Yeah, But when I went to acting class with Jeff Corey, who coincidentally was my dad's acting instructor, that's when I got excited and felt the sense of passion. I was with Jeff for two years and thought, this is incredible, this is phenomenal. This is what I want to do, because otherwise it's just work. Passion, that is what it's all about.

44:33 You know. I would teach these kids at the Film Academy and they'd be like, Oh. They'd say to me stuff like, Adam, why are you so angry? I would get so you know, emphatic about stuff. They say, why are you so angry all the time. It's like, I'm not angry. I'm passionate that I'm trying to teach you guys about. And I need you to be passionate too, because if you're not, you don't belong in the industry. It'll crush you. Yeah. Absolutely, you got to love what you do. And that's what Leonard was all about, the passion for the world. I love it. Passionate. That's such a great word. All Right, thank you so much for letting me chat with you. Jim, who is next on our list of tru experts?

45:17 Well, I think we're gonna we're gonna pass the microphone over to child. Oh, thank you, Jim, Thank you. Adam picked up a few questions as I was going through the interview. One of the things they came up from the book. You mentioned the spock ears that were in the house and then one day they weren't there anymore. Whatever happened to those years? Well, there's a bunch of ears. I mean, there's years all over the place, years that he had. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I have I had those. Yeah. As I was saying, just ask Ben Filler, he's got quite a collection of ears.

46:00 Uh so, my dad kept a pair. Of ears from the original series and he and he built his box, his black box that he put him in. And when my dad passed. Away, you know, his widow, my stepmother, Susan, gave them to me and I had him here on my desk for a couple of years, and then I thought, you know what, I don't want these things. It's too much responsibility. I didn't want him to get ripped off or lose them or get damaged, you know. Uh, you know, I just I donated them about three years ago to the Smithson. They're sitting in the Smithsonian in the Air and Space Museum. Yeah, where they belonged, you know, under guard. Yeah, that's where they are. I have other years too, from from the movies.

46:46 I think my dad gave me another pair. Uh yeah, there's a lot of years out there. I mean he used several on for every episode of the original series. He used I think three or four different pair. They just wore out after a while, you know, there to foam and uh, and they don't last forever. So Fred Phillips, who designed them and and was the makeup artist for my dad on those shows, you know, would would use them. Uh uh reapply them, and then when they were just too torn up, he'd throw them away and start with a new pair. As being mentioned the I Am Not Spock book, one of my books that I love is my copy and the audio copy of I Am Spock, And I love that he he did his own audio book for that one.

47:36 Did that kind of showed the passion he had. Mm hmm, yeah, well, I Am Spock's the apology for I Am nuts Back. You know. Yeah, when when he wrote I Am Knutsbock, the fans were angry. They thought that he was like distancing himself from the character, like I you know, I don't just do Spuck. I do other things, become an actor, you know, he was literally and they try to the publisher, trying to convince them that he should change the title. But sometimes Leonard, you can't. You can't change Leonard's mind about something that he's made a decision about. Uh. You know, my dad was basically saying in that book, Look, people keep confusing me was Fock. When I walk down the street and they come up to me, they start talking to me like I'm Spuck, I'm I'm not Spock from Vulcan, I'm Leonard from Boston. Hello. You know it's a character, you know, get a life, as Bill Schander would say. So, Uh, the I Am Spock book is.

48:33 I think it's great. I use it. I quoted extensively in the in the documentary. Uh, you know, from the audio book because it's a really good look of the insight and and you know, my dad's perspective on on his journey and the struggle you know, to make it in Hollywood, and and uh, and his love for the character. Frankly, I mean, you know, he just I think he really you know, he just ordered a huge debt of gratitude to Spark and all always Lovespock and was misunderstood about ever saying that he was. He was ever regretful. You know, people were you stereotyped? No, Leonard did so many different roles and had so many opportunities created by the success of Star Trek and Spock.

49:14 I don't think he ever had a moment of regret that he ever played that character. Right. Sind Zeric brought up burning Man and loving that. I also love your walk through with Star Trek Las Vegas and what a way to show off the fans and how much the fans are into that series. It's every year that I get a chance to go to the convention. You just see how how many costumes, how many people are out there, how big Star Trek is, and along with the rest of the sci fi you laugh when you say it's a. Star Treking mention, okay. And there's a colonial lawyer from Bowser Galactica. There's somebody addressed in a storm trip of uniform with a Delta badge on. There's a doctor who character wandering around. He did a good job, we'illly showing that. But one more thing in the movie, and I think I'll throw this a little bit for Uncle Jim, is how you talked about your father's work with Star Trek two thousand.

50:17 And nine and showing up in that movie. And Jim will talk about how his daughter was not a Star Trek fan, and yet she asked him if he could take her to that movie with a couple of friends, and he said afterwards, they had so many questions for him, because all of a sudden they had a view a Sart Trek, and all of a sudden they had Star Trek they loved, And just how you did a good job of kind of pushing to show how much work he did to help promote that movie, that how much he was a part of that movie.

51:11 Well, yeah, you're cutting out here a little bit, Charles. I mean, I think what I emphasized in the film was that my dad was very proud of the fact that he was the sole survivor from the original pilot of the original series nineteen sixty four. You know, Major Barrett was there, but she was as a different character. And then he and then he showed up in the in the J. J. Abrams iteration. You know, he's the only original cast member who made it to that new franchise. So I think he was really proud of the fact that he, you know, the character continued right up until the end. So and and he. Loved what JJ was doing, and he had a great relationship with Zachary Quinto. So it was a very good experience in a great way for you know, apparently, when my dad told me that when he he showed up on the set, everybody was applauding him.

51:57 It was a very heavy emotional moment. The first time he appeared with that calf uh in JJ's movie, and uh uh. You know, it's a it's a you know, a huge impact. I mean, it was a very emotional experience for my dad. Well much appreciated they did do that and brought in new Star Trek more Star Trek audience. Okay, with that, I will pass it over to David and let him be our caboose. Thank you, Charles hi. Uh So, I want to start with saying welcome to our show and thank you for being here. Adam. I got just a couple of questions I wanted to ask, and then I think we're gonna probably wrap it up from here on out since I am the kabooz now so so yeah, So my first question is do you have any favorite Star Trek memory from behind the scenes?

52:53 Well, yeah, a lot. I mean I was, I don't have any here anymore. You used to have a lift of all the uh the original series episodes, and I was I witnessed them filming, you know, at least parts of them. Uh, and that was you know, that was really those are my fond memories of that first season of being there quite a bit, uh you know, on stage and I was there first seen on the Man Trap and uh Squire of Gothos and Trouble with tribles and of course what little girls are made of. That's where I did my walk on. There was one other I can't remember, Oh the one where oh, where Spot goes blind?

53:35 What's that called? Uh uh with with the the uh Medusa or what was it? What's it called? Diane? Diana Mobar was in it. No, no, no, it was the one with the flying blobs. It gets on his back and given the treatment and he goes blind. Yeah that's operation. Yeah. Yeah, I was there for that for some of that as well. Uh freaking love. That's my favorite. Just being there on the set was absolutely amazing. Nice. Cool. My follow up question about that is that, is there a story about your father? That father? It's this story about I guess it would be father.

54:20 Yeah. That always makes you laugh. Is there something that you could share about that? Uh? Yeah, I get a personal chuckle out of the First thing that comes to mind is the Mind Meld interview with Bill Shatner. Yeah. That's great because because. Bill brings up some of the problems they had on the original series, and he's like prodding my dad to, like, you know, do the deep dive in elucidate what his problem was, and my dad just my dad just gives his leonard. My dad does the leonard laugh to cover up for it. I just love that, you know. So he's non responsive, which is like the order of the with certain people in the political sphere. Anyway. That always kind of like makes me laugh a little bit, because you know, they had a lot of trouble on the original series. You know, Bill and Dad they're just like four days apart. This is why it's insane that Bill's going to turn ninety five, you know, in March, and my dad's been gone for eleven years. You know that's insane.

55:24 But you know, those guys knocked heads a lot. They were very headstrong, and they were very competitive, and there were a lot of problems. You know, it was supposed to be Bill Show and Spock was very popular, and you know, things happened on the original series. And this is the thing with my dad. Even though I had ups and downs with my dad all my life, the fact is that I know where all the bodies are buried. My dad just loved to complain about Bill. That's why it's so shocking. I say this in my book. When Dad came to my sister and I and said and announced to us that Bill Shatner was his best friend. We were like, what are you talking about? You've been complaining about it for thirty years. What do you say? But the fact is they did have a you know, a close relationship for a while. Unfortunately they couldn't sustain it.

56:09 But but but that always like, you know, there's a little bit of a it's a very amusing story to me that that my dad, you know, uh, we gloss over some of the differences between them when whenever asked. Yeah, that's really cool. I just have one more question. Is there a story you haven't told yet that you'd love to. Is there a story I haven't told yet that Yeah, there there is one that I would really love, but I really can't share it. But that's great to know there's. A there's about there's a Bill and Leonard's story. There's a couple of them actually that I would really love to share, but I simply can't do.

56:55 So maybe in the Adam Nimoay memoir, you know, in twenty years or. Something to say, I'm going to start I'm going to Galaxy con Richmond next month and Bill's going to be there, so I, you know, say that you told him that you say, Hi. I love Bill. Okay, you know this, I got to make clear, and my dad said this himself many times. Without Bill Shatner's interpretation of Captain Kirk, we would not have the Spock Leonard's clock that we've come to know and love all these years. That's just a flat out fact. Yeah, absolutely flood out fact. And because of that, I love Bill and he was helpful to me in making my movie. I think he's I think he's fabulous. More power to him with these Raisin brand commercials freaking hilarious. I mean, I think the guy is amazing. I were so indebted to him for what he gave.

57:48 I mean, look at. You know, you know, Jeff Hunter is a fabulous actor, but but we were so much better off with Bill Shatner's Captain Kirk. That's that's you know, let's just leave it at that. Absolutely cool. Well, I think that's all the questions I have for you, And again, thank you for being on the show. And I think I'm your passage over to Gym. Well, thank you so much, David. I just want to say, speaking of William Shatner, my favorite movie. I try to squeeze this into every podcast I. Had to do it, didn't you. Yes, my all, My favorite movie is Star Trek. By the final I just I think that Shatner just captured the essence of Star Trek in that movie. It's about soul, it's about humanity, it's about friendship. It encompasses everything that Star Trek means to me. And I just love Star Trek.

58:42 I wrote it, directed it, and takes a lot of flat for it, but I love the movie. So I just had you. You were talking about William Shatner. That was my segue. And on that note, all I can say is live long in front. Of peace and so much. You guys. We went a little bit over, but we had fun. So thank you so much, Adam, and have a good one. Mm hmm yeah, can I do That was I hope you guys enjoyed. Oh my gosh, that's.

59:24 A lot of fun. Long time and amazing. Yes, I got to get my five job and. I was waiting I was waiting for it. I was waiting for it so well. Recording. Wow, that was that was fantastic. Wow. I'm just my brain is just like, yeah, it's definitely working. I do have some Starship news. I think I want to hold on that until next week because one of the stories that we have is about Cisco and I want to hold out on that other one I put into just because of the toy story. So I think we'll hold off on the Star Trek news until next week when we talk about episode five Sam. But we do have some Star Trek birthdays that we can go over for you guys. You guys game for some birthdays.

1:00:20 Sure, we have fan shout outs to which one. Yeah, we don't have a fan shadow song yet, thank you, thank you, thank you too much? Okay, where we do our fan shout outs, but usually we start to show off with that, but we're going to kind of do things a little bit different today, so we do our fan shout outs and how you can be mentioned in a fan shadow is please jump over to our our Facebook page Trek Talking, and beyond into the top of the page is a big live I'm a ospar posting, Hey guys, where are you all from? Tell us where you're listening from? Lease some emojis. It catches my attention and if you see a heart next your name from yours truly, then you want to tune in because you're going to be featured nfan shout out. So, Eric, would you like to get us started with our fan shout outs this week?

1:01:19 I would love to. We're going to spin that globe over to the UK and we're going to say hello this week to Steve Jones in Chester, England. Steve Jones, thanks for saying hello to us and for supporting our podcast over there in England. We really appreciate your support. Going down onder now, we'd like to say hello and welcome jan Lee Graville, who's down there in Queensland, Australia. I have seen some really really neat pictures of the city, of the whole area around Queensland. It looks amazing. I would love to visit there one day. Jan Lee Graville, thank you so much for supporting us way down in What's that?

1:02:02 Isn't that where the dude was from? Well, he was from Australia. I do not remember if he was from Queensland or not. I feel like he was from like out in the out in the out a little bit more and not in a city. He was a little he was a little more DIY. I think, so yeah, maybe maybe Chanley knows the dude who knows? Maybe he fixes her car or something anyway. I would also like to say hello this week to Jasper Nielsen, who is hailing from Denmark and Jessper Guess what in October, I'm actually. Going to be in your beautiful country. I can't wait to see it.

1:02:42 I'm actually flying out of Copenhagen after two weeks doing a bunch of stuff up in Scandinavia, so I'll be able to check it out at least Copenhagen, thanks for supporting us there. And last, but not least, on my list, this week, we're saying hello to Astra Dea. If that's your real name, that's pretty awesome. And if not, it's a great moniker. Astra hails from Berlin, Germany, where we also have a ton of support for our Tek Talking and Beyond podcast. Right V Yes, But I've got everybody in the USA, so I'm going to start out with Melody Bradley, who is saying hello to us from Arkansas, USA. Next, Becky Tree from Western Pennsylvania. Then hello to us from John Doherty in Des Moines, Iowa. Hey, And in your neck of the woods, Portland, Oregon, we have a hello to us from Lemia Julie Lysander saying so hello back to you all. All right, Charles, you're.

1:03:47 Next, Thank you. V Let's starts a warm welcome to Kirk Wells from Illinois. Welcome Kurt him Frank Garcia from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. I hope you're staying, warn Frank and Kirk. Welcome to Paul Simms from Burnhups, Michigan's interesting place. Wonder what that would be an interesting part? Where in the Mitten you are? And top fan Kirk Kirk p Decroste from Nebraska. Welcome Kirk, and I think Eric's gonna grab the rest of Paul's.

1:04:43 Charles, I think we just lost Eric. I see him flozen on my screen. He's not going to if you're if you're watching this video, you'll see all kind a great pictures like there me and Eric at Chreck Conroga a couple of years ago with my daughter Janie. If you guys would like to not only be featured in a fan shout out, but also have your pictures there, just send them to us. Go to Check Talking and Beyond and shoot us your pictures and they'll be right up there. David could add them to our fan montage so that not only will your name be right, but your picture will be featured as well.

1:05:24 And I think we have Eric back. Eric, are you back? We do, just as I was about ready to start speaking the internet hiccup. So that was pretty fun. Yeah, But we're going to spin this globe around and we're going to go back to Western Europe and we're going to say hello to top fan Uriel Robert Delacourt, who is hailing from the wonderful country of Belgium. I believe that is where the muscles from Brussels is from. Thanks Reel Robert Delacourt for saying hello to us this week. Also like to say hello this week to John Wilson, who is back there in the UK, not only sending us a beautiful Union Jack, but also sending us that wonderful English flag as well with its red cross on white background. Thanks John for supporting our podcast. Hannah Matalanian is saying hello to us from Helsinki, Finland, and guess what, Hannah, I'm coming to Finland too. That's right, I'll be there in October as well, so I can't wait to see what your country is like and comparing contrasted to Denmark, I will be judgmental, no I'm won't.

1:06:25 And last, but not least, I'd like to say hello this. Week to top fan Mark Moore, who is from Pool, England, a place that sounds very very cool, very cool in Pool. Thank you, Mark, Jim take this microphone away from me quick before I do anything else. Well, maybe when you're there you can look up some coffee fans and say hello. There we go. I've got a couple of my listen people I want to say thank you too. First of all, we want to say thank you to Robin Brownholt, who's listening to us and Western Massachusetts. Thank you for having so much. We really appreciate your support. We also want to say hello and thank you to Heather Batty, who says she's originally from Iowa but now in South Dakota. Thank you so much, Heather. And last on my list, we want to say hello and thank you to Grenda Taylor, who's listening to us in Wyoming. Believe that's where the Devil's Tower is from Close Encounters, Right, I think that's in Wyoming. Prahymps.

1:07:30 Okay sounds great. Well, guys, that wraps up. We're going to skip our fan ratings. Okay, there we go. That wraps up our fans shout outs once again, if you'd like to be teach your head over Chuck Cocking and beyond, drop us at a line, look for heart and you'll be teacher. All right, guys. So now it's time for our starts for birthdays, which means this, which means this, come on, mister Gremlin. Which means.

1:08:12 That was not a Klemon song no more. If you're right, that wasn't, but we like it anyways. All right, guys, this is a part of show where we have our sci fi birthdays and we always start off with sadly enough, remember those members who aren't longer with us that return to a. Yeah, Jim. And this week we are remembering nine members of our Star Trek community who have gone before us, several of which were not in Star Trek because we're going beyond. The first is mister Clarence Buster Crabb, the second. He was an American two time Olympic swimmer and film and television actor Wow talk about Triple Threat. He starred in a variety of films and movie serials released between nineteen thirty three and the nineteen fifties, portraying the top three syndicated comic strip heroes the nineteen thirties Tarzan, Flash Gordon, and Buck Rogers. He started in the nineteen thirty nine Buck Rogers serial and had a guest spot on the nineteen seventy nine television series Wow. That guy got around and look at that, I mean, strong jaw, that Roman knows forget about it. I mean, I'm surprised he wasn't cast in more things. But Clarence Buster Crab, we do miss you. We lost you all the way back in nineteen eighty three. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday as well to Miguel Ferrer, the American actor who played the executive officer of the USS Excelsior in Star Trek three The Search for Spock. Ferrer is known for his role as Bob Morton in the nineteen eighty seven film RoboCop, which I think is where I know him from, and

1:09:45 for playing the FBI agent Albert Rosenfield on the television series Twin Peaks. He also did some voice acting along the way, including voicing the villain the villain hun Leader Sean Yu in Disney's nineteen ninety eight animated film Mulan and I Told That to my kid today and she was like cool. So you know, one teenager thinks that's cool. Happy birthday as well too. Daniel Patrick macnee the British American film and television actor who, of course on Battlestar Galactica, performed the voice of the Imperatus leader and its successor in Saga of a Star World, and was also the narrator heard in the opening credits.

1:10:30 In War of the Gods. He played the character of Count Ibliss. This guy's got a look too, doesn't he. Man, You wouldn't want to be at the other end of a staring contest with him. Daniel Patrick Macney lost back in twenty fifteen. Thank you for your sci fi contributions. We do miss you. Happy birthday as well to Cecily Adams, the actress and casting director who played Ishka in four episodes of Deep Space nine. She also did a cameo as a holographic patron in vic Lounge. In the finale What You Leave Behind, she took over that role of Ishka the Clothes for Angie Right, the Woman from Andrea Martin, and although she played Armand Shimmerman and Max Grodenchik's mother on the series, she was actually almost ten years younger than them, so that's kind of funny. But in addition to acting, she was actually primarily a casting director. She served in this capacity for the television sitcoms Third Rock in the Sun and That seventies Show, as well as films like The Forgotten One from nineteen ninety one Homeroom from two thousand and two. She also served as casting assistant on who framed Roger Rabbit. Of course, a little crossover there with that whole Christopher Lloyd Star Trek three situation.

1:11:44 Cecily Adams, Happy birthday to you. You were lost way too young. Died from cancer at only forty six years old back in two thousand and four. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to Elizabeth Hoffman, the actress who played the role of Bavanni in the Star Trek Next Generation third season episode The Price. What's the name of that race. Again that I'm forgetting now that we've got on strange New worlds with the thing in the mouth thing? What's her race called? I can't remember? Anyway. She was born Little Known in Corvallis, Oregon, and she, of course portrayed Miss Mason in three episodes of Little House on the Prairie from nineteen eighty to nineteen eighty one. She also starred as b Read in one hundred and twenty seven episodes of Sisters from the early nineties. But I also know her from her portrayal of Catherine Langford in two episodes of Stargate SG One from the late nineties. So happy birthday to Barzan that's the that's I just remember the name of the race. Thank you, Elizabeth Hossman for Hoffman for being our first Barzam. Happy birthday as well to Michael Strong, the actor who appeared as doctor Roger Corby the original in the original series first season episode What Are Little Girls Made Of? But he's probably best known for his supporting role as Brigadier General Hobart Carver in the Academy Award winning nineteen seventy film Patton. He was a regular on the long running series The Edge

1:13:14 of Night also in the late fifties, and then appeared in a whole bunch of television series from back in that day. You can imagine we lost him back in nineteen eighty, so he was very popular in the sixties and seventies. Michael Strong lost back in nineteen eighty at sixty two years old. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday as well to Gene Lyons. That's right, He's was in a Taste of Armageddon as Robert Fox. He was a professional guest star who appeared in almost seventy television spots beginning in nineteen fifty, including sixty six episodes as Commissioner Dennis Randall on the television show Ironside. I haven't seen that one, but apparently it was very popular. But I of course did see him on The Twilight its own as well. Happy birthday to gene Lyons. Happy birthday to Barry Ingham, who played du Nillo O'Dell in the Next Generation second season episode Up the Long Ladder.

1:14:11 Ingham was one of those who was originally considered for the role of Jean lu Picard. Can you imagine that instead he was given the. Problematic role of a Irish drunk, right, It's still excuse my personal indulgence. Though. Ingham also played the character Paris in the nineteen sixty five Doctor Whose story The Myth Makers, therefore making him one of the very small number of actors who have appeared in both Star Trek and Doctor Who. He also played Adelen in the nineteen sixty five Peter Cushing Dalek film Doctor Who and The Daleks. So Barry Ingham, thanks for being a crossover performer in those two franchises, and happy birthday to you. And last, but not least, we would like to offer our happy birthday wishes to perhaps one of the best composers of all time. Gerald Jerry King Goldsmith was a film and television composer and conductor who wrote the musical scores for five Star Trek movies and the main title themes for two Star Trek spin off series and You Want to Talk About accolades Man.

1:15:20 He was nominated for eighteen Academy Awards, winning one, and also won five Emmy Awards. He was also nominated for the nineteen eighty Saturn Award for Best Music for the Motion Picture. Goldsmith was actually Gene Roddenberry's original choice to compose the music for nineteen sixty five's The Cage, which would have included the show's theme music, but Goldsmith unfortunately had to decline at the time because he was committed to other projects, and he recommended Alexander Courage, who of course wrote the theme that we All Know and Love in nineteen seventy nine, Roddenberry offered Goldsmith Star Trek the motion picture, and the composer leaped at the opportunity. Here, Goldsmith was tasked with reinventing a franchise and creating a brand new theme. Goldsmith himself remarked it was the toughest thing that he ever wrote, and it remains a remarkable achievement.

1:16:13 I don't disagree that theme, which of course then became the next generation theme, is absolutely iconic and the number one thing that I associate with Star Trek when I hear music. Jim, he scored Star Trek five. You're welcome. Yes. He also, as I said, wrote that DS nine theme, who I think we all really really like. He also wrote the Voyager theme, which I also really like, later composed of music for First Contact and Insurrection, and then, I mean, this guy is all over the place. So it's hard to say how much influence this guy's had on the franchise, but we will just say thank you so so much for your contributions. Jerry Goldsmith, not only do Star Trek, but to all the other things that you did while you were with us. You're truly a titan among composers and we have missed you now for twenty two years.

1:17:08 Hard to believe. So that does it for our remembrances. So yeah, that took a little bit, but it was worth it. So I'm going to pass this flaming birthday candle on to the next person. Who's me maybe, Yes. Fun fact about Miguel Ferrer. His mother was Rosemary Clooney and which hopefully we all know who she was. And his cousin is George Clooney. If you don't know who he is, you better check your pulse. So just fun little bit there. Well, let's see. My first shout out for a happy birthday is to Deborah and Wall. She played Jessica Hamby in the HBO series True Blood, which earned her a nomination for a Screen Actors Guild Award. She portrayed Karen Page in four television series in the of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, including Daredevil and Daredevil Born Again. Next to Happy birtha goes out to Megan Gallagher. She played Mariel in DS nine second season episode Invasive Procedures, Garland in the four season episode Little Green Men One of my Favorites, and Jaren in Voyager seventh season episode body and soul. And then, last, but not least, I'm gonna send a very happy birthday

1:18:38 to Ethan Phillips, best known, of course to Star Trek fans for playing Neelix on Voyager. No matter what anybody else, I know, right. Yes, Nelix is a ray of sunshine on that show. He is, Yes he is, Yes he is. He also played Ferrick on TNG Menaja Toy, which I just watched today, and Ulis on Enterprise Acquisition. He also made an uncredited cameo as a holographic matre d in Star Trek First Contact. He was also in a I think it was late seventies early eighties season or television series Benson, who also starred Renee Aberjeonois and they were always butting heads and that so they're set Star Trek connection. All right, who wants to do take over Paul's birthday wishes?

1:19:38 That's mine on to b. The Ron's welcomes. Yep, all right, Happy birthday to James Spader from Boston, Massachusetts. He is known often for betraying centric and morally and you against characters. One of his best roles have been in the films Pretty in Pink Wall Street and Sex Lives and Videotapes, and the television series Boston Legal and Blacklist. We are celebrating him as playing doctor Daniel Jackson and Stargate. He also played the villainous robot Ultron and Adventures Age of Ultron, Happy Birthday and Maria Ann Hill. Actressor played Helen Noel in ts's first season episode Dagger of the Mind and So You Can Look at the Pictures. She was in several different other series, including some work in Batman, Happy Birthday to Alice Eve. Actressor played Carol Marcus at Star Trek Into Darkness.

1:20:47 She also recorded the audio book of the film Last on My List, Happy Birthday to Laura. Elizabeth Dern is an American actress who play and portrayed Vice Admiral Amelia hold Poldo in st Star Wars episode eight, The Last Jedi. She achieved international recognition for her role as a La Sadlery and Steven Spielberg's adventure Adventure Found Jurassic Park and I will pass this flaming candle that's almost to a numb over to gym.

1:21:30 Absolutely, thank you so much. To I only have two things, well actually three, because I'm gonna throw one in that I didn't have time to get a picture of to David because it was today. So first of all, we want to start off by saying happy birthday to Julie Warner, the actors who portrayed Christy Henshaw on the TNG third season episodes Booby Trapped and Transfigurations. I believe that's one of Jordie's only girlfriends that we ever saw him with on the show, other than the holographic Leah Broms. You know what, I will say? She shows up in some novels later on though, too, so there are more stories with Julie Warner out there.

1:22:13 If any of y'all love Julie Warner. Him, what was she? Did she show up on Lower Decks or was that Leah Brons No. That was le Broms that was on LORDNX. Yeah, okay. These two episodes were among her earliest work as a professional actress. She's best known as Danny lift In on Family Law, Megan O'Hare on Nip and Tuck, and Ulu in Doc Hollywood. Who can forget her entrance into Doc Hollywood where Michael J. Fox is pulling up in his car and his naked woman walks out of the lake. That was Julie Warner. Okay, Julie Warner.

1:22:54 H this one I'm going to throw in. I don't have a picture for him, but I'm going to say happy birthday and for the original Gorn himself. And uh, I was lucky enough. Well I wasn't because I couldn't go because I had COVID. But Charles was at Star Trek Las Vegas representing Trek Talking and Beyond. And our booth was right next to the one and only Bobby Cox. And who is Bobby Cox? Who did he played Child? Oh? He was one of the actors who was. The Gorn of course, Yeah, the Gorn in arena and Child's got me a full head of the Gorn side by himself.

1:23:40 Thank you so much, Child, and happy birthday to Bobby Cox. Now back to our regular schedule programming. We started off with a musical. Uh, you know, genius, and we're gonna end with another one and we can debate who was more of a genius, but will save that front of the show. We want to stay. Happy birthday to go one, the only, the incredible John Williams, the father of Star Wars. But wait, there's more. He also wrote at Classic Music for Jaws. I'll tell you what, Sit on the beach and play that song and watch the people. That song has such an impact on people. He also wrote Harry Patter A Superman, Indiana Jones, Jurassic Park, Close Encounters. I mean, any block question movie that you grew up watching in the seventies, Uh, he probably was involved with it. This man is a musical genius and I can't say enough about him. I mean, he's just has his finger on the pulse of Phantom and he knows how to write a song. You knows how to compose music that sucks you right into the moment. And every time you hear the song that he wrote, you will think of the series.

1:25:03 He's brilliant. Now is he as brilliant as Jerry Goldsmith, who actually wrote the music the Stars the Final fronts here? I think that's up for debate, but he's brilliant. Nonetheless, Happy birthday, John Williams. Unless anybody has some memories that they would like to share about John. Sorry, I was just going to say. What's amazing to me is that John Williams and Jerry Goldsmith were born two days apart and three years apart, so that period of time from nineteen twenty nine to nineteen thirty two. There's a lot of talent coming out of there. And I actually got a chance to see John Williams live once when he was conducting the La Philharmonic in the Disney Concert Hall there, and it was it was transcendental.

1:25:52 I don't remember off offhand what they were playing, but I'm pretty sure it was something that I would have really been into, like Beethoven or something. And and just to see him up on the podium there swinging his baton live was was a really special moment for me. Yeah, he was quite the guy. All Right, guys, well guess what next week? I don't want to go any further with the show because next week we're going to talk about Sam, which was episode five of Started Academy from the last week. I've got a story pertaining to that, but I want to save it. We also have a story about some new Star Trek toys coming out. I want to save that for Paul. So I think we're going to end it here a little bit early, but that's okay, you know. So next week we're going to talk about Sam. We're not going to do two episodes because I feel that Starkley Academy deserves a full hour, you know, would you guys agree, Yes, yeah, I think so so tonight's episode, which was excellent. By the way, we'll talk about the following week, so stay tuned to that.

1:26:55 I want to take an opportunity to say thank you so much to Adam and Mooy. It took a while to work that out and make that happen, but I'm so glad that we were able to do. He was brilliant talk. He was he was a lot of fun, and I got to say thank you so much for taking time out of your busy schedule the Shrek Talk with us. I really appreciate it. Thank you so much for Adam me more, and of course thank you so much to Eric for hanging out and correct talking with us to night. Thank you Eric, absolutely, that was a very fun show. And thank you so much to David for hanging out with us and Chrek talking. Thank you so much to you, David. And thank you so much to Child for hanging out with us as well.

1:27:38 Thank you Child, Oh, thank you always fun. And of course thank you t V for bringing Being in the Blue Light in the Night. Thank you so much. I'm I'm your blessed, I'm blessed, I'm I love it. Oh my god, I remember. It's like such a childhood thing in green in my head, the blue light in the middle of kmart. Just like, oh my god, that's so funny. Yeah, your blue comes off really easily already. I can't, Jim. One of these days you're going to have to tell that. I know.

1:28:21 Yeah, well, I know, paint on my face, you know. Yeah, we got. A good story for you, folks, one of these days. No one actually hasn't told before. Wait, don't tell you, don't you. Wait, wait till you can tell the whole story on the air, Jim. We don't want to like reveal. A little time. No no, no, all right, anyways, the hosts, uncle Jim, please and be good to each other. Frequencies close, Thank you so much, guys. Level on the prosper.

1:29:03 And with that we're gonna roll. On our Oh yeah nice. Not there. That a way hyah we Yep, I put that in there.