Jan. 16, 2026

Episode 668- Margaret Weitekamp Chair, Space History Department National Air & Space Museum

Episode 668- Margaret Weitekamp Chair, Space History Department National Air & Space Museum
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In this episode of Trek Talking and Beyond, Uncle Jim and his crew celebrate Starfleet Academy with a special guest, Margaret Weitekamp, the chair of the Space History Department at the National Air and Space Museum. The conversation kicks off with introductions and excitement about the new Star Trek series. Margaret shares her journey from being a Star Wars fan to embracing Star Trek, particularly during the Next Generation era. She discusses her work curating the museum's collection of space memorabilia and the cultural significance of spaceflight in American history, as well as her books, including "Space Craze" and "Right Stuff Wrong Sex." The discussion delves into the interplay between science fiction and real space exploration, highlighting how art and life influence each other in the realm of technology and imagination. In this engaging episode, Margaret Weitekamp, a curator at the National Air and Space Museum, shares insights into the museum's history, its upcoming renovations, and the significance of its exhibits. The conversation begins with a nostalgic reflection on the impact of the museum on Erik, who recalls his childhood fascination with space and the shuttle program. Margaret explains the museum's origins, its bicentennial opening in 1976, and the challenges it faces as it prepares for its 50th anniversary. She discusses the extensive renovations aimed at modernizing the museum while preserving its beloved artifacts and stories. As the discussion unfolds, Margaret highlights new exhibits, including the Milestones of Flight and Pioneers of Flight galleries, and the innovative ways the museum is adapting to contemporary expectations. She emphasizes the importance of engaging visitors with interactive experiences and the stories behind the artifacts. The episode concludes with a personal touch as Margaret shares her love for reading and outdoor activities, reinforcing her passion for both history and the natural world. This episode is a delightful blend of nostalgia, education, and personal anecdotes, making it a must-listen for space enthusiasts and history buffs alike.

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Okay, Treky's and Trekkers, Welcome to the podcast. It is Thursday,

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January fifteenth, twenty twenty six. Welcome to episode six hundred

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and sixty seven. Happy start for the Academy Day, everybody.

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It's a day that we live for. As Trekky's new

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star Trek I hope you guys want things to watch

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it and enjoy it. We'll be talking about it next

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week on the podcast. I'm your most alcohol excellent host,

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Uncle Jim. Welcome to the show. I'm going to go

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around and introduce my awesome Treks. First, We're going to

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start off with Paul Paul's out in Portland. They doing tonight, Paul, I'm.

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Doing well, my friend. It's kind of a double dip,

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double dose of crazy Thursday. Today, we have a brand

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new Star Trek show airing that none of us have

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seen you, at least I haven't seen it. That we're

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all going to race to watch later on tonight. And

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we have with us a illuminary of the scientific science

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fiction confluence who is inspiring to share her wisdom with

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us tonight. So it's it's quite an exciting night here

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It definitely is. And we also have as well.

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I'm doing fantastic Jim.

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Like Paul, I'm kind of.

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Ridiculously excited about having Margaret here. And then also on

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top of that, I'm wearing a new Voyager T shirt

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that says there's coffee in that nebula, which just kind

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of gets me going anyway, right, because coffee really is

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the spice of life.

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Good to the last dream, it's right, yep. And let's

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stick with the Portland theme and say hello to David,

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our engineer. How you doing, David, I'm pretty good.

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It's pretty pretty been a really warm months months for

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some reason, Partitionmber. I don't know why I'm wearing us Twitter,

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but you know, but yeah, I'm excited.

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To be here. Excellent and not from Portland but from

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Las Vegas. We have childs with us tonight.

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How you doing, Charles, I'm doing good. We're getting that

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same warm spell.

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I can't wait discuss my discuss some of my sci

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fi events back in twenty sixteen.

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I think it pre days my time with trek Talking. Yeah,

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and definitely not least. We want to say hello and

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welcome v She's out in Virginia, all right.

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I am great, And I'm wearing my strange New World's

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tunic because of course that's where they're in the.

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Enterprise. So I thought that would be appropriate for tonight.

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I like it. I like it. And before we get

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too far, I just want to let you guys know

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that on the twenty ninth, we're going to be joined

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by check lower Deck, so you guys will want to

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definitely tune in for that. It's going to be again.

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As you know we're going to show. You don't want

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to miss that. And as I said start of the show,

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we have a very special guest with us tonight, we

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have Margaret White Camp with us. She's the chair of

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the Space History Department of the National Air and Space

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Science Museum. I've been there, It's awesome. Check it out.

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She curates the museum's Social and Cultural History of Spaceflight collection,

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more than five thousand artifacts that include space memorabilia and

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space science fiction objects. These everyday mementos of the space age,

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which include toys and games, medals and awards, buttons and pins,

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as well as comics and trading cards. Complete the story

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about spaceflight is being told at the museum's collection of

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space Hardware and Technologies. She's also the author of Space

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Craze America's Enduring Fascination with Real and Imagine Splaceflight, which

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won the twenty twenty four Gardener Lasser Aerospace History Literature

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Award from the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics, as

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well as Right Stuff, Wrong Sex America's Firth Women in Space. So,

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without any further ado, welcome to the show. Margaret. Thank

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you so much.

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I'm delighted to be here, and we're.

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Glad that you took some time out of your busy

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schedule to chat with us. So I just wanted to

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start up. I'm asking you. Were you always a Star

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Treks fan.

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I grew up as a Star Wars kid in the

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nineteen eighties, and really, I would say, found Star Trek

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as a young adult and really became a big fan

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and probably the next gen era. And then I would

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say went back and found my way to the original

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series and have been watching all the way through from then.

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When I was in graduate school, we could not get

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Star Trek Voyager or a local cable provider didn't have that.

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And I had a classmate whose sister lived in Florida

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and they could get it, and I was on her

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list of people, and she would get in the mail

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a VHS cassette that had the and then you had

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to pass it around. You could watch it, and you

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would pass it to the next person. And I remember

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getting a phone call or an email at some point

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saying like, Hey, you know there are people behind you

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on this list who maybe you can see the next episode.

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Paper do like as soon as I can. So I

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think that's really where, you know, my journey into the

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kind of Trek fandom has come, and it's been a

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great thing to get to study.

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And have fun with. Now, are you looking forward to

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start through Academy tonight?

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Very much?

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So.

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I think it sounds like, you know, as someone who

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taught college for a few years before I came to

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the National Air and Space Museum and got a chance

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to be switched gears and became a museum curator, I'm

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a little interested to see what they do with that

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kind of a dynamic of teachers and students and thinking

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about how that fits into a Trek universe.

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I agree completely. I'm really looking forward to seeing what

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they do with it. So I check as best when

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it's different and outside the box, and I think that's

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exactly what Starfleet Academy is going to be, So I

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right there with that. I'm really excited. So what's your

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favorite Star Trek series of the whole sixty years?

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Series wise? I've got to say I've got a little

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soft spot for Voyager. I really enjoyed Jane Way in

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the lead as someone who was studying at the time

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to be a women's historian and ended up writing about

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women pilots who took astronaut fitness testing, and therefore kind

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of coming back into the space world and thinking I

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had not thought that my personal nerdy fandom of Star

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Wars and Star Trek would turn out at some point

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to be something I would do with my job. But

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I really enjoyed Voyager for that vision of men and

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women working together, but also of a woman in the lead.

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And because it just had that little extra fun of

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it was a little hard to get and so I

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had to wait for my tape to show up to

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get to see the episodes, and so it meant that

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you had to work at it a little.

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I hear that completely. Now. I wanted to talk a

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little bit about your Space Craze book, if you don't mind.

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So I had a chance to read it, and I

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was interested, and you mentioned in there about Silent Running,

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and I remember seeing that there's the cover for the book,

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so you guys can run out and buy it immediately, run,

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don't walk to Amazon, and get that book on the

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way in the mail. It's an interesting read. Silent Running.

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I remember seeing that at the drive in the theater

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with my parents before book, before Logan's Run, before Starwards

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before Star Trek. It was really, I think the first

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science fiction movie I remember seeing at the theater, and

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you mentioned it in your book, which I thought was interesting.

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Can you tell us a little bit about that.

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I mentioned it in the book because part of what

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Space Crazed does. This really looks at how Americans have

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been fascinated with spaceflight, from Buck Rogers and Flash Gordon

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starting in the late twenties through to now a new

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series dropping just this very evening, and in the nineteen seventies,

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there's a moment when science fiction goes from being quite

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so shiny and eager and hopeful as it was in say,

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you know, the melodramas of the nineteen fifties, or from

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Star Trek, which had this, you know, Gene Roddenberry's optimism

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about what humanity could do, and then there's this moment

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in the seventies where it hits some friction and so

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Silent Running is a great depiction of Bruce Dern really

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taking a bit of a turn. He's been isolated on

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this orbiting space station, in part because he seems to

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have made himself the only person left alive on it,

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and he's on this giant space station that is attempting

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to it has differed diferent domes that are attempting to

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preserve Earth ecosystems that have been destroyed on Earth. So

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that vision of humanity not being great at taking care

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of our own planet and then moving that into space

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really is a very different vision of space science fiction

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than what you had gotten, say in the you know,

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kitty shows of the nineteen fifties, or even something like

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Star Trek, which really cut brand new ground in the

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nineteen sixties, but in a very optimistic vein.

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And I really liked the name of the three robots

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that he had with him on the station too, and Louie.

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Yes, and this you know, interesting vision of you know,

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working with robots. We often have robots or some sort

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of robotic assistant as a part of imagined spaceflight.

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And I read in the book that you have a

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lot of memorabilia and model not just not just from

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Star Trek for us, some other famous sci fi What's

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what are some of your favorite exhibits or props that

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you have at the museum.

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We have a wonderful collection of toy rayguns that go

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back to the very first Buck Rogers reygun created in

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nineteen thirty four, and then there was one created in

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nineteen thirty five, which is the Willmadeering Gun. So it's

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a smaller one for a girl. But I love the

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way that that, you know, kind of evokes the Western

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roots of so many science fiction shows. You know, they're

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really especially in that moment, is a lot of crossover.

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But we see that in you know, Our Space, the

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Final Frontier. You know, we use that kind of Western

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language a lot of times in science fiction. So I

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like those things a lot. And then I wrote a

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bit in the book. It's both about science fiction objects

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and memorabilia of real spaceflight and really about the interplay

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between those sets of ideas about how spaceflight has been

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imagined and then how it gets executed and remembered.

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And so.

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Also told the story of a cabbage patch kid from

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the early nineteen eighties from the Young Astronaut program, you

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could get a Young Astronaut themed cabbage patch kid, And

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I tell the story in the book that I spent

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a couple of years trying to track down there was

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a cabbage patch kid young astronaut given to Ronald Reagan

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in a little public affairs ceremony on the South lawn

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of the White House, and that seemed like the one

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that should be at the Smithsonian, that should be on display.

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And in the end it took me a couple of

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years to track down the fact that they put it

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in a Toys for Talks drive to keep it at

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the regular library and not keep it at the White House.

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Somewhere some kid that got a young cabbage backed kid

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got the one that was hinted trumal rating at the

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White House. So, uh so it is lost to history,

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as we would say, But we have a couple of

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examples of that young astronaut cabbage patch now in the collection,

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but not the one, not the one.

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life imitating life, you know, like our first foot phones

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were very reminiscent of the communicator from Star Track. So

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what do you find. Do you find that art imitates

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life or life imitates art or are they both interchangeable.

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that it goes back and forth, the imitation and the

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people who are building the real things are interested in

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how it's been imagined. That the people who are imagining

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are looking very closely at what's real to try to

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make the imagination plausible. So yeah, we know that the

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very first that Motorola flip phone, they were interested in

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that motion and form of the flip phone of the

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communicator from Star Trek very clearly. You can, I think,

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look at like iPads and the ways that you know

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that was being imagined in next generation, or even just

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the the number of kind of flat screens touchable screens

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that you can now you know, I'm talking to you

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so I can move things around if I need to.

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are off working in those kinds of tech fields, very

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often they are fans of Star Trek or space science fiction.

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Generally they like that imagined vision of where we might

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be as a space faring species. And then back and forth.

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big fans of what's going on at NASA, of the

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Apollo program, of watch following and knowing astronauts getting ready

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for the Artemis launch back to the Moon in February.

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where they are influencing each other. And in many ways,

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that's part of what I was trying to tease out

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in Space Craze is in these different moments dealing with

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both memorabilia of the actual space program and space science

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fiction objects. What stories are both? Are those objects telling

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us about the times in which they were built and

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used and played with?

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Excellent, and I wanted to talk. I wanted to ask

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you a little bit about your second book right time

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on sex. I haven't had a chance to read that one,

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but can you tell us a little bit about that

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as well, because I think that's an interesting story.

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It is this is really where my career started, so

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this is right stuff, wrong sex, And I had the

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benefit of you can't copyright a title, so I got

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to grab a little bit from Tom Wolfe's The Right

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Stuff and really look at this is the history of

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a group of women pilots who took astronaut fitness testing

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at the very beginning of the space age, so before

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any human being had gone into space, there were lots

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of questions in the scientific community about whether women might

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be better at it. On the average, smaller require less food,

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less water, less oxygen, fewer heart attacks, better cardiopulmonary health,

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and so they got this group of women pilots, including

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Jerry Cobb who's shown here on the cover, and invited

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them out to Randy Lovelace's facility, the Lovelace Foundation in

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the Southwest. And if you've seen the film Kaufman's nineteen

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eighty three film The Right Stuff, you've seen that depiction

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of the male military pilots going and going through all

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of the physical tests. Well, they put these women through

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the same physical test to see how they would do.

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except that they did end up doing House subcommittee hearings

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in the summer of nineteen sixty two investigating whether NASA

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was discriminating on the basis of sex. And it really

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ends in some ways with Valentina Cherishkova becoming the first

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woman in space as a Soviet cosmonaut in nineteen sixty three.

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So at the time in the nineteen nineties, I got

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to talk to most of the women pilots who had

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gone on to some really interesting flying careers and personal

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lives and get their stories, and then go around the

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country and spend some time even at the NASA headquarters

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History Office, and really dig into their archives and pull

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that story together.

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Excellent. I'd have one more quick question before I turned

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you loose on my tprexperts. When I was preparing for

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the show and I did a search for you on

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the internet, this picture came up. David got that picture.

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This is the first picture that popped up, and I

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wanted to ask you if you could tell us a

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little bit about this picture.

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This is a picture from twenty fifteen. So that is

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the Star Trek Starship Enterprise that was the studio model

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that was used for those hero shots for the original

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Star Trek television show in the nineteen sixties. It had

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been on been in the museum's collection since nineteen seventy four,

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and in twenty fourteen we were making the decision to

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take it off display and to really conserve it. And

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so this then is the band of experts that I

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was able to bring together. So from the left we

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have Ariel O'Connor and the striped shirt. She is a

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Smithsonian conservator. Behind her in the green is Rick Sternbach.

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And then we have Adam who is right behind me,

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who was really the guru of helping me to pull

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this whole group together. That's me then with my necklace,

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and next to me Gary Kerr in front, who really

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was we started calling him our oracle. He knews everything,

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and he was around the previous time that this model

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had been worked on, had taken meticulous notes and was

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wonderful with that. Behind him in the blue Oxford is

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Malcolm Column, who is our chief conservator. In front of

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him are the Akudas, Mike and Denise Akuda. So if

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you have your Star Trek encyclopedia like I do, and

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I've got the new double bound slipcase version as well,

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bringing them in was a no brainer. Behind them in

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the black is John Goodson, who is an ILM model

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maker and had worked on other versions of the Enterprise.

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And then John Van Sitters, who in the blue shirt

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who leads up the Star Trek brand for CBS and

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Paramount as it has changed. And then in front of

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him Andy Probert, who designed the Enterprise d as well

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as the DeLorean for Back to the Future. And so

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the story on this is that I right away when

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we started working on this project, I thought, I really

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need to tap into the people who know this the best.

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I can know a lot, I learn a lot but

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these folks know more than I'm ever going to be

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able to brief myself on. So I ended up in

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a conversation with the director of the museum at the time,

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as a retired four star Marine general before he came

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to the Air and Space Museum, General Jack Daly, and

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I was telling him that, you know, I'm assembling the

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money and I'm putting all of these things together to

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bring this group in person here to be my special

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advisory committee to really tell us all of the things

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that we need to know about the enterprise. And he said, like,

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you're getting experts. I thought, that's why I hired you.

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But this is a place where I can tell you.

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The expertise that I have says I need these folks.

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And honestly, we sat down and went kind of soup

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to nuts, right. You know, We've talked about decals, we

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talked about windows, we talked about pink colors, we talked

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about the shapes of everything, about the blinking rates on

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the different lights. There was so much expertise in this room,

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and really just being able to have everybody when we

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had a particular issue come up, to be able to

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go to them and have them even debate between themselves

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and then help me come to an answer. And Adam

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Schneider was right behind me, was just so helpful in

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he would kind of sidle up to me and say,

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you know, the next thing you're gonna need to think

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about is this part. And I think, like yep, right,

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turning writing that down, starting to with what we're going

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to need. So it was a project to conserve the artifact,

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to learn as much about it as we could by

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working with it, but also to really bring it to

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where we wanted it to be, and also really to

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make sure that it was stable and ready to be

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on display for a good long time. And it is

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now back on display in the South Lobby of the

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Boeing Milestones of Flight Hall, in a custom case that

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honestly every person in that picture had a hand in

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some element of just the case design, let alone the

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conservation of the object in it. So wonderful group stay

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in touch with almost everybody in the picture. Christmas cards

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from them this year, which I'm delighted by, and it's

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been a wonderful long relationship to be able to stay

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in touch with that much trek knowledge.

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Now, one more quick question, is this the same model.

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In nineteen ninety one, for the twenty fifth anniversary of

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Star Trek, I went down and they had an enterprise

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hanging from the ceiling. Is this that same model?

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This is that same model? For a long time it hung.

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And what they had done was they really when the

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museum got this piece in nineteen seventy four, it was

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a model from a failed three season television show, as

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heretical as that sounds, and they did also what the

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practice was in the nineteen seventies was really to make

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it what the museum needed to tell the story that

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they wanted to tell. So they kind of drove an

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eyebolt into the back of it and hung it from

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the ceiling. So that has since been been removed, and

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over time, my predecessor had, in fact moved it from

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being hung to being on a stand. It was built,

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in fact to be on a stand. It's mostly wood

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and beutifully engineered and can't deliver that little point right

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under the front of the engineering hall. You can see

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there's a second point in the back of the stand. Honestly,

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it'll stand on the one point and on that giant

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saucer and the big no cells is so beautifully engineered.

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It just sits there. Now there's a second point, largely

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because it makes the curator nervous to have an object

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sitting on one point. I want to make sure that

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there's some stability added to that. But the cells, which

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if you've done any model building, the the cells on

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the enterprise are famously problematic. It always wants to kind

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of nose down on the saucer. The cells want to

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you know, display themselves out and not necessarily stay nice

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and straight and true. This is beautifully put together and

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really was designed and built in a way that is

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remarkably stable for something that was only really built and

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intended to get the shots that needed at the time.

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All right, well, thank you so much, and I am

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going to pass the microphone over.

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To v oh.

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Hi. Well, first off, my mind is just my head

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is just exploding.

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And I'm sure it had it had to be surreal

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from time to time when you're you know, you have

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a moment to just think and pause and realize exactly

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what you're working on. So and I sort of I

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get I understand that a little bit because I am

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in the museum field. I work in a large eighteenth

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century living history museum, uh, and so they you know,

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I don't care how old something is. If it's twentieth century,

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if it's eighteenth century, you know, the preservation and the

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care that is taken, you know, is still the same.

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So it's just just And it's also interesting to know

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how many people in the history field are sci fi nerds.

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I didn't know that until I started working here, and

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so I'm going to be sharing this episode with several

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of my colleagues.

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Saying, this is what I get to do.

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But in the vein of history, have you ever heard

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of this book, Conversations on the Plurality of Worlds?

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Are you familiar with that?

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It's a late seventeenth century book, And I thought, yeah,

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when we I immediately thought of you and your two books,

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because it was a very forward thinking book for its time,

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written in sixteen eighty six, and with the possibility of

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life on other planets, so going with your space craze,

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but also the fact that the author has this imagined

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conversation with a full pilosopher and a lady of the

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gentry class, which that's very forward thinking. So that went

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I just my mind just went to you know, right,

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stuff wrong sex, And so the fact that way back then,

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he you know, considered a female to be a worthy

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I guess, a worthy partner in talking about things like this,

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even though throughout history the the what women can and

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can't do is sort of gone, you know, up and

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down and here and there and everywhere.

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So but I actually just have I've got a couple

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of books about that book that got dropped on my desk.

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Today I'm doing a larger project with some colleagues on

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the They're interested in questions of habitability in terms of spaceflight, aspiration,

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things like that, and so I got pulled in as

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the person who might write about how it's been imagined,

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what are the fictional visions of habitability things like that,

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And so this question that assumption that the universe is

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populated with M class planets, that there are all of

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these other populated places that you might be able to go.

469
00:29:20.000 --> 00:29:22.720
But I said, you know, my colleague is very interested

470
00:29:22.720 --> 00:29:24.240
in a way I could do a deep, deep dive

471
00:29:24.319 --> 00:29:29.960
into this, you know, early seventeenth century conversation, and I

472
00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:32.519
kind of want to throw a couple of footnotes under

473
00:29:32.559 --> 00:29:36.039
the fact that this is something that you know, once

474
00:29:36.119 --> 00:29:42.400
people started looking out with telescopes they've discovered that these

475
00:29:42.720 --> 00:29:48.839
wandering stars that we know our planets resolve into, you know,

476
00:29:48.960 --> 00:29:51.960
more circles, and you start to imagine, oh, wait a minute,

477
00:29:52.039 --> 00:29:56.319
that must be a place like this place, and it

478
00:29:56.440 --> 00:29:59.039
jumps pretty quickly to you know, well, maybe there are

479
00:30:00.319 --> 00:30:04.119
folks up there who we wonder if they're looking back

480
00:30:04.160 --> 00:30:06.359
at us and thinking that the same kind of thing.

481
00:30:06.480 --> 00:30:10.279
So that question of the plurality of worlds. That really

482
00:30:10.359 --> 00:30:14.519
then it's fun to me that the name of it,

483
00:30:15.559 --> 00:30:18.039
that you know, idea of them and Shara class planets

484
00:30:18.440 --> 00:30:23.319
coming from the vulcan I think gets so identified with Trek,

485
00:30:23.440 --> 00:30:29.119
and Trek is such a wonderful illustration of that. But

486
00:30:29.240 --> 00:30:32.240
I wanted to yes, I was just actually thinking we're

487
00:30:32.519 --> 00:30:36.559
very much on the same way. Cool, because I wanted

488
00:30:36.640 --> 00:30:38.079
to be able to say in this, you know, I

489
00:30:38.200 --> 00:30:42.480
want to talk about the idea of classifying different kinds

490
00:30:42.519 --> 00:30:47.039
of worlds or understanding that there might be the space

491
00:30:47.480 --> 00:30:51.279
flight imagining often just depends on this idea that there's

492
00:30:51.359 --> 00:30:52.440
lots of places to go.

493
00:30:54.400 --> 00:30:58.240
So yeah, that's interesting, Yeah, that's very cool.

494
00:30:58.880 --> 00:31:02.119
That Yeah, because I think my colleagues probably thought I

495
00:31:02.200 --> 00:31:04.880
was a little bit nuts wanting to bring this up,

496
00:31:06.759 --> 00:31:08.759
but I knew, I knew it was going to be

497
00:31:09.000 --> 00:31:10.799
something worth talking about.

498
00:31:11.079 --> 00:31:14.279
So there you go, And I will tell my colleague

499
00:31:14.319 --> 00:31:16.359
that fortunately I got the books just in time, so

500
00:31:16.480 --> 00:31:18.720
I got to leave through them a bit today and

501
00:31:19.319 --> 00:31:20.799
I was prepped for the conversation.

502
00:31:21.000 --> 00:31:21.759
Yeah, there you go.

503
00:31:22.119 --> 00:31:22.759
That's awesome.

504
00:31:23.359 --> 00:31:26.359
So my one last question.

505
00:31:28.160 --> 00:31:31.759
Besides the enterprise, and I know you've got a lot

506
00:31:31.799 --> 00:31:35.920
of objects there, do you have a second favorite item

507
00:31:36.119 --> 00:31:37.279
that you have curated?

508
00:31:41.480 --> 00:31:44.200
The one that I often mentioned comes from the real

509
00:31:44.680 --> 00:31:49.359
memorabilia of the real spaceflight. And we've got a bracelet

510
00:31:49.559 --> 00:31:52.319
that is a charm bracelet that was assembled by a

511
00:31:52.359 --> 00:31:59.240
woman who's husband was an engineer who worked for McDonald,

512
00:31:59.319 --> 00:32:02.680
the company that built the Mercury and the Gemini spacecraft,

513
00:32:03.319 --> 00:32:09.720
and she then was putting together this bracelet. It has

514
00:32:09.799 --> 00:32:13.240
a Mercury capsule, a Geminy capsule, an Atlas rocket, and

515
00:32:13.359 --> 00:32:17.240
a Redstone rocket as well as two jewelers charms engraved

516
00:32:17.319 --> 00:32:21.000
to her from grade school classes from Cape View Elementary

517
00:32:21.039 --> 00:32:25.240
where she taught. Because the whole family moved to Cape Canaveral,

518
00:32:25.279 --> 00:32:29.359
Florida and lived there. So Bob Foster was an electrical

519
00:32:29.440 --> 00:32:32.160
engineer and Tony Foster was his wife. And what I

520
00:32:32.359 --> 00:32:36.240
like about that object is it's about the relationship from

521
00:32:36.319 --> 00:32:39.440
husband to wife. When he was away a lot at work,

522
00:32:39.759 --> 00:32:41.880
then he would come home with we finished this part

523
00:32:41.920 --> 00:32:44.519
of the project and add some charms to her bracelet.

524
00:32:44.839 --> 00:32:47.400
But so it was about that marriage that supported his

525
00:32:47.599 --> 00:32:50.720
work and space work generally, but also then about the

526
00:32:50.839 --> 00:32:54.480
whole family that grew up in Florida watching all of

527
00:32:54.559 --> 00:32:57.559
these launches, a part of a community that was supporting

528
00:32:58.160 --> 00:33:00.920
the space effort. And honestly, then it begins to tell

529
00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:04.240
the story of that whole community. Cape View Elementary began

530
00:33:04.359 --> 00:33:06.799
in the nineteen sixties as a brand new school. They

531
00:33:06.960 --> 00:33:10.920
just had their fiftieth anniversary because they were built to

532
00:33:12.200 --> 00:33:14.759
house and educate the you know, children of all of

533
00:33:14.839 --> 00:33:19.720
these engineers who were moving to Florida. So I liked

534
00:33:19.880 --> 00:33:23.160
that we get objects like that that are sometimes really

535
00:33:23.920 --> 00:33:26.200
the little thing that allows us to tell a big.

536
00:33:26.160 --> 00:33:30.680
Story and the little things that intertwine and you know,

537
00:33:30.880 --> 00:33:32.759
tell our part of the greater story.

538
00:33:33.119 --> 00:33:33.960
So very cool.

539
00:33:34.160 --> 00:33:35.160
Yeah, thank you so much.

540
00:33:35.200 --> 00:33:36.920
All Right, I guess I'll pass it on to my

541
00:33:38.160 --> 00:33:40.880
my colleagues who wants to be next.

542
00:33:41.799 --> 00:33:42.920
I'll like to fight for it.

543
00:33:45.400 --> 00:33:49.079
I believe if David has said the next question.

544
00:33:49.599 --> 00:33:55.200
Yeah, hi, hi'd thank you. So I just have a

545
00:33:56.000 --> 00:33:56.839
quick question for you.

546
00:33:57.359 --> 00:34:00.720
The first one is you spent your career studying how

547
00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:06.279
humans experienced space flight, not just the technology. What do

548
00:34:06.559 --> 00:34:10.440
you think the public do must understands most about the

549
00:34:10.559 --> 00:34:12.519
human side of going to space.

550
00:34:15.360 --> 00:34:18.360
I always think it's fascinating how much we bring our

551
00:34:18.559 --> 00:34:22.400
humanity with us, and maybe that shouldn't be a surprise

552
00:34:22.519 --> 00:34:24.559
to anyone who's a fan of trek, because I think

553
00:34:24.639 --> 00:34:26.920
that's one of the things that Jean Roddenberry got right

554
00:34:27.079 --> 00:34:29.360
right off the bat was, you know, we bring so

555
00:34:29.519 --> 00:34:32.360
much of who we are with us into this new space.

556
00:34:33.920 --> 00:34:40.920
But that meant that, you know, on Jiminy six, Wally

557
00:34:41.039 --> 00:34:45.639
Charon Tom Stafford to astronauts who were also fathers, brought

558
00:34:45.679 --> 00:34:49.119
with them a harmonica and jingle bells, and they were

559
00:34:49.199 --> 00:34:52.239
flying in December of nineteen sixty five, and so they

560
00:34:52.360 --> 00:34:55.280
called back at the end of their mission and said they,

561
00:34:55.519 --> 00:34:57.960
you know, thought they might have seen a UFO over

562
00:34:58.039 --> 00:35:01.400
the North Pole being drawn by eight times reindeer, and

563
00:35:01.480 --> 00:35:05.000
then they played jingle bells into the microphone, you know,

564
00:35:05.079 --> 00:35:09.239
with Tom Stafford accompanying on the jingle bells and while

565
00:35:09.280 --> 00:35:12.360
the shirah on the harmonica. So the first instruments in

566
00:35:12.519 --> 00:35:15.159
space are right off the bat. I mean, you've got

567
00:35:15.239 --> 00:35:18.280
the very first flights of humans at all in nineteen

568
00:35:18.360 --> 00:35:21.960
sixty one, and by nineteen sixty five you're playing Christmas

569
00:35:22.039 --> 00:35:25.079
carols and you know, sending a message back to the

570
00:35:25.599 --> 00:35:29.480
children of America. So I love that the ways that

571
00:35:30.559 --> 00:35:34.000
people bring who they are and what they like that

572
00:35:34.679 --> 00:35:38.559
into space and often now we're also you know, there's

573
00:35:39.000 --> 00:35:44.000
great images of Samantha Christopherretti, an Italian astronaut, wearing her

574
00:35:44.159 --> 00:35:49.159
Star Trek voyager style uniform in the cupola during her

575
00:35:49.239 --> 00:35:52.559
time on the International Space Station. So it's things like

576
00:35:52.679 --> 00:35:57.320
that from bringing music and videos and you know, communications

577
00:35:57.360 --> 00:36:00.440
from home and wanting to bring that into evening, like

578
00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:06.119
inventing a zero G coffee cup, because somehow sucking your

579
00:36:06.159 --> 00:36:09.639
coffee through a straw, you know, I'm thinking of Eric

580
00:36:09.719 --> 00:36:13.199
and his T shirt just doesn't hit the.

581
00:36:13.239 --> 00:36:16.039
Same coffee just don't go together now.

582
00:36:16.119 --> 00:36:20.679
And so they actually worked out this very graceful looking

583
00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:25.079
mug that basically allows the liquid to kind of cling

584
00:36:25.360 --> 00:36:28.199
into the inside of the mug and allows you to

585
00:36:28.400 --> 00:36:34.719
sip coffee properly. So that's I think part of what

586
00:36:34.920 --> 00:36:38.119
I think people don't think. We pay a lot of

587
00:36:38.159 --> 00:36:41.599
attention to the big launch vehicles and what gets done,

588
00:36:42.079 --> 00:36:44.800
but the very humanness of what we bring into space

589
00:36:44.920 --> 00:36:47.079
is I think under appreciated.

590
00:36:47.559 --> 00:36:49.800
Yeah, it's like a lot of little different technologies that

591
00:36:49.920 --> 00:36:55.760
come together to build that vehicle. That's pretty cool. My

592
00:36:55.920 --> 00:37:02.400
second question to you is, as space flight shift from

593
00:37:02.519 --> 00:37:07.559
the Cold War government project to a mix of national

594
00:37:08.119 --> 00:37:11.199
and commercial efforts, how do you think the changes of

595
00:37:11.239 --> 00:37:14.719
the stories we tell about space and who gets remembered

596
00:37:14.880 --> 00:37:15.440
in history?

597
00:37:16.320 --> 00:37:17.599
Oh? Very good.

598
00:37:19.760 --> 00:37:22.679
The writing of the history is easier than the collecting

599
00:37:22.840 --> 00:37:25.079
of it with objects and V I think will back

600
00:37:25.159 --> 00:37:28.039
me up on this that you know, trying to preserve

601
00:37:28.199 --> 00:37:31.119
history through things is a great way to do it,

602
00:37:31.239 --> 00:37:34.320
but it adds a level of complication, and for us

603
00:37:34.400 --> 00:37:36.880
at the National Air and Space Museum, it means that

604
00:37:38.599 --> 00:37:43.199
we have had a long relationship with NASA and being

605
00:37:43.239 --> 00:37:46.559
able to work with them on bringing objects into the

606
00:37:46.639 --> 00:37:50.840
collection as artifacts. We're now developing those relationships with all

607
00:37:50.880 --> 00:37:55.360
of these various companies and working with Blue Origin, working

608
00:37:55.440 --> 00:37:58.639
with SpaceX, working with you know, bringing a paragrine lander

609
00:37:58.760 --> 00:38:03.320
in from Astrobo and that's just you know, I'm going

610
00:38:03.360 --> 00:38:05.599
to get myself in trouble by mentioning only some and

611
00:38:05.679 --> 00:38:08.039
not everybody. But I could keep you here for another

612
00:38:08.119 --> 00:38:10.039
hour if I was doing the whole list of who

613
00:38:10.079 --> 00:38:13.760
we are talking to. And so I think that is

614
00:38:13.960 --> 00:38:17.719
part of where it gets more complicated. Is it used

615
00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:22.079
to be slightly simpler or perhaps I think oversimplified story

616
00:38:22.159 --> 00:38:24.960
in our memory of the Soviet Union and the United

617
00:38:24.960 --> 00:38:28.039
States in this space race, which was very real, but

618
00:38:28.159 --> 00:38:31.320
it was always a little more global than it got

619
00:38:31.440 --> 00:38:36.400
portrayed as. And now you've got the private companies, and

620
00:38:37.159 --> 00:38:40.840
it's always been private companies, you know, McDonald, Boeing, North

621
00:38:40.880 --> 00:38:45.079
American Aviation, but now it's a different set of relationships,

622
00:38:45.119 --> 00:38:47.679
and we're trying to figure out how do we both

623
00:38:47.760 --> 00:38:50.280
preserve that in objects and then tell that story for

624
00:38:50.400 --> 00:38:52.960
our visitors when they come to the floor of the museum.

625
00:38:54.800 --> 00:38:59.480
Wow. Well, thank you. Fun to hear.

626
00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:02.360
And I'm gonna have to rewatch the podcast again because

627
00:39:02.360 --> 00:39:05.960
it's like a lot of information coming in. So yeah,

628
00:39:06.039 --> 00:39:08.000
thank you very much, And I think I'll pass my

629
00:39:09.679 --> 00:39:12.880
questions off to the next That question what next?

630
00:39:14.880 --> 00:39:17.679
That would be child All right.

631
00:39:19.880 --> 00:39:23.719
I think Margaret's eyes kind of lit up when I

632
00:39:24.039 --> 00:39:30.840
said twenty sixteen. Yes, I was.

633
00:39:32.800 --> 00:39:36.679
Active in the NEA, and so we had our net.

634
00:39:36.960 --> 00:39:38.400
We had our annual.

635
00:39:38.079 --> 00:39:44.760
Convention in twenty sixteen in Washington, and I had some

636
00:39:45.280 --> 00:39:47.280
I had to little a little bit of time spare,

637
00:39:47.639 --> 00:39:51.800
spare time off, and of course I wanted to visit

638
00:39:51.960 --> 00:39:56.039
one of my favorite Smithsonians, the Air and Space Museum.

639
00:39:57.199 --> 00:40:02.239
But I'd also at the time heard stories about a

640
00:40:02.440 --> 00:40:06.920
brand new display that just got put in the entry

641
00:40:08.719 --> 00:40:13.719
of this big model of the USS Enterprise, which I

642
00:40:13.800 --> 00:40:16.280
had heard had been dug up from.

643
00:40:16.199 --> 00:40:20.360
The basement, the gift shop and the basement.

644
00:40:22.119 --> 00:40:26.679
But first question is just what it took to take

645
00:40:26.760 --> 00:40:31.360
that model from the basement to where it went got

646
00:40:31.480 --> 00:40:34.199
up in the main floor, right there with everybody to

647
00:40:34.280 --> 00:40:34.599
see it.

648
00:40:37.119 --> 00:40:39.559
So, first of all, I'm going to defend my colleagues

649
00:40:39.599 --> 00:40:45.280
who put it in the basement, which was that. So

650
00:40:45.440 --> 00:40:47.840
the model has a long history at the museum, had

651
00:40:47.880 --> 00:40:50.239
been there since nineteen seventy four, and there was a

652
00:40:50.320 --> 00:40:55.079
point in the late nineteen nineties when it was in

653
00:40:55.280 --> 00:40:59.000
real danger. There wasn't a place for it. It didn't

654
00:40:59.079 --> 00:41:01.760
have a bought and it had been in the art gallery,

655
00:41:01.840 --> 00:41:05.000
had moved from place to place in the museum, and honestly,

656
00:41:05.079 --> 00:41:07.079
it was in danger of going into what I think

657
00:41:07.119 --> 00:41:12.039
of as like Indiana Jones style deep storage back with

658
00:41:12.199 --> 00:41:17.599
the arc of the Covenant, and that really folks at

659
00:41:17.639 --> 00:41:21.000
the museum who were fans of Star Trek banded together

660
00:41:21.559 --> 00:41:24.719
and found money to build it a custom case in

661
00:41:24.960 --> 00:41:28.639
the basement of the gift shop, which was being redone

662
00:41:28.719 --> 00:41:32.119
at the time. So at the time, the attempt was

663
00:41:32.320 --> 00:41:35.280
to make sure that it stayed on public view and

664
00:41:35.480 --> 00:41:38.480
had its own custom case, which it hadn't before. Right,

665
00:41:38.599 --> 00:41:41.760
you saw it hanging from the ceiling, unprotected, with just

666
00:41:41.960 --> 00:41:47.119
dust settling on it. But there was a real moment

667
00:41:47.519 --> 00:41:51.119
where you know, by about twenty eleven twenty twelve, we're

668
00:41:51.159 --> 00:41:55.000
looking at it and really could see that just age

669
00:41:55.079 --> 00:41:58.960
had not been kind. I've written about the Star Trek

670
00:41:59.079 --> 00:42:04.360
starship enterprise model as it's a genuine nineteen sixties television star,

671
00:42:05.639 --> 00:42:09.159
both in the way that people encounter it like they've

672
00:42:09.360 --> 00:42:12.599
met a movie star, like they've met a television star,

673
00:42:13.559 --> 00:42:17.159
and also then bands would also show up and be disappointed,

674
00:42:17.199 --> 00:42:19.800
you know, with this kind of like they got old right,

675
00:42:20.719 --> 00:42:23.719
made it look good. It'll looked like I remember them

676
00:42:23.760 --> 00:42:27.760
looking on my glowy little cathodray to And so that

677
00:42:28.000 --> 00:42:30.239
was the what we ended up doing with that, is

678
00:42:30.320 --> 00:42:34.440
getting it connected to the renovations of the Boeing milestones

679
00:42:34.480 --> 00:42:37.880
of Flight Hall. And honestly, my colleagues carried that more

680
00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:39.519
than I did, because I thought it was going to

681
00:42:39.599 --> 00:42:42.239
look really like I'm just working for my own collection

682
00:42:42.800 --> 00:42:46.000
and trying to get pride of place. And as much

683
00:42:46.039 --> 00:42:49.320
as it deserved, it worked more smoothly because it was

684
00:42:49.400 --> 00:42:51.599
my colleague saying no, no, no, no, this is really

685
00:42:51.639 --> 00:42:54.800
important and we should make sure that it's included. And

686
00:42:54.920 --> 00:42:58.559
so bringing together that special advisory Committee was able to

687
00:42:58.880 --> 00:43:03.239
commit almost two years of the museum's time to really

688
00:43:03.360 --> 00:43:08.280
working carefully to research this and to then document every

689
00:43:08.440 --> 00:43:12.000
change that was made, every adjustment, and all of the

690
00:43:12.119 --> 00:43:14.519
choices about putting it into the case and putting it

691
00:43:14.599 --> 00:43:17.880
on display. I love that that case has two sides.

692
00:43:17.920 --> 00:43:21.320
It's open all around, which allows me to go the

693
00:43:21.400 --> 00:43:24.800
two sides of the enterprise. So the side that faces

694
00:43:25.239 --> 00:43:29.800
faced camera is fully fitted out, has windows, has all

695
00:43:29.880 --> 00:43:33.159
the decals, has lots of details on it, and the

696
00:43:33.360 --> 00:43:38.239
backside of the model that never faced camera, has no decals,

697
00:43:38.360 --> 00:43:42.679
has very little paint. It's really bare, and the wires

698
00:43:42.920 --> 00:43:47.440
just come out the back because they didn't they knew

699
00:43:47.519 --> 00:43:52.119
that it wouldn't be seen, and so we were able

700
00:43:52.199 --> 00:43:57.679
to then on the backside of the left, the backside

701
00:43:57.719 --> 00:44:00.920
of the model that doesn't have the decorating, to put

702
00:44:01.800 --> 00:44:05.559
Gibbot panels that talk about the art of movie making

703
00:44:05.679 --> 00:44:09.679
and television making and what it takes to make this real.

704
00:44:10.599 --> 00:44:14.079
And then on the side that is the Enterprise as

705
00:44:14.199 --> 00:44:17.920
kind of the character, that beloved character of the Starship,

706
00:44:18.360 --> 00:44:20.679
we're able to talk about the kind of cultural power

707
00:44:21.199 --> 00:44:26.119
of Star Trek and Michelle Nichols and what important vision

708
00:44:26.159 --> 00:44:28.519
it was to have men and women of different races

709
00:44:28.599 --> 00:44:31.760
working together on a show in the nineteen sixties. So

710
00:44:32.440 --> 00:44:36.000
that's a long answer of sorry, Charles, but that's really

711
00:44:36.280 --> 00:44:38.280
kind of what it took to get it from the

712
00:44:38.360 --> 00:44:42.280
basement up, and then to think about what stories we

713
00:44:42.360 --> 00:44:44.000
were going to be able to tell with the two

714
00:44:44.079 --> 00:44:46.199
different sides. And I love the chance that I get

715
00:44:46.320 --> 00:44:47.719
kind of two bites at the apple there.

716
00:44:49.320 --> 00:44:51.800
Yeah, Oh, definitely, I don't mind the story at all,

717
00:44:52.079 --> 00:44:55.039
because I've seen some of the videos on the restoration

718
00:44:55.880 --> 00:44:58.679
and the work are just incredible the two years they

719
00:44:58.760 --> 00:44:59.400
took to.

720
00:44:59.480 --> 00:45:03.440
What they did with it. Now, my second question comes

721
00:45:03.480 --> 00:45:04.320
with the fun part.

722
00:45:05.199 --> 00:45:08.559
I got to see the ship, then I had to

723
00:45:08.599 --> 00:45:11.280
wait for what lill Saia said what was going on

724
00:45:11.559 --> 00:45:14.360
with the ship, and had to come back later in

725
00:45:14.440 --> 00:45:18.440
the day to come see when the engineers came down

726
00:45:18.960 --> 00:45:20.480
and turn the ship on.

727
00:45:21.760 --> 00:45:23.880
I'm curious about the story about what it took to

728
00:45:24.000 --> 00:45:27.559
bring that ship to life, and.

729
00:45:27.639 --> 00:45:31.360
Tell two quick stories. One is, we have the enterprise model.

730
00:45:31.440 --> 00:45:33.400
We have it set to light every hour on the

731
00:45:33.480 --> 00:45:36.920
hour for just a few minutes. One of the questions

732
00:45:37.199 --> 00:45:39.199
was at the time was well, why don't we just

733
00:45:39.239 --> 00:45:41.400
put a button and when you push the button then

734
00:45:41.440 --> 00:45:43.119
it lights up. And I said, because then it'll be

735
00:45:43.239 --> 00:45:47.880
lit twenty four to seven fans there all the time,

736
00:45:48.519 --> 00:45:52.440
and that will defeat the purpose of trying to limit

737
00:45:53.199 --> 00:45:55.920
how much that goes on the end of the na

738
00:45:56.039 --> 00:46:00.760
celles have elements in them that turn that create that

739
00:46:00.880 --> 00:46:04.039
kind of sparkly flashy on the and the front the

740
00:46:04.079 --> 00:46:08.320
Boissard collectors, and if that runs all the time, it

741
00:46:08.639 --> 00:46:11.559
does basically war on the motors that are in there.

742
00:46:11.679 --> 00:46:15.360
And so I want to preserve that. So that story

743
00:46:15.440 --> 00:46:18.480
one is that we've settled on okay, every hour on

744
00:46:18.639 --> 00:46:21.760
the hour so that people can predict it and stand

745
00:46:21.800 --> 00:46:24.280
there and get their pictures and patiently come back and

746
00:46:24.360 --> 00:46:26.760
get to see it. And then the other part is

747
00:46:27.920 --> 00:46:32.800
that found that there's a dichotomy between the people who

748
00:46:32.960 --> 00:46:35.719
understand the model as a thing that was used to

749
00:46:35.800 --> 00:46:39.400
get shots and the people who come in expecting the enterprise.

750
00:46:40.000 --> 00:46:44.840
She right, she's a beauty, and who are talking about

751
00:46:45.119 --> 00:46:50.480
really the character of the ship. And I found that

752
00:46:50.960 --> 00:46:53.880
when we finished all of the work and we turned

753
00:46:54.440 --> 00:46:58.239
the Enterprise on for the first time, people backed up

754
00:46:58.320 --> 00:47:00.480
and all of a sudden and nobody thought about it.

755
00:47:00.559 --> 00:47:01.199
They just did it.

756
00:47:01.519 --> 00:47:05.599
They started saying, she looks beautiful. Yes, And I thought,

757
00:47:06.159 --> 00:47:09.320
you know, we did it. We brought the character back

758
00:47:09.480 --> 00:47:14.960
into it. And I was just, you know, did my

759
00:47:15.199 --> 00:47:17.760
heart good? That you know, made me really happy, like, okay,

760
00:47:17.840 --> 00:47:20.880
there we are. But I love the chance then that

761
00:47:21.000 --> 00:47:23.920
we get to show the model being lit up every

762
00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:26.280
hour on the hour, even as we're always trying to

763
00:47:26.599 --> 00:47:31.119
minimize kind of the pressure on the objects because we

764
00:47:31.239 --> 00:47:32.920
really are in the forever business.

765
00:47:34.199 --> 00:47:36.159
But it was just fun seeing actually it looked like

766
00:47:36.760 --> 00:47:39.920
it looked almost like two engineers coming in to coming

767
00:47:39.960 --> 00:47:41.920
in with the wiring instead of up so good I

768
00:47:41.960 --> 00:47:42.679
could be turned on.

769
00:47:43.679 --> 00:47:47.199
In fact, my talking my Tech Trek talking crew.

770
00:47:47.599 --> 00:47:51.199
Sometime I will share the pictures of the Enterprise and

771
00:47:51.440 --> 00:47:54.639
my little video of at the ship being being activated.

772
00:47:56.199 --> 00:47:57.880
You kind of love seeing that.

773
00:47:59.480 --> 00:48:02.400
I suspect that Jabbi and Larry, who are two of

774
00:48:02.519 --> 00:48:05.039
our exhibits tech guys, and they're brilliant.

775
00:48:08.199 --> 00:48:11.360
Okay, well for this I will send myself over to Paul,

776
00:48:11.519 --> 00:48:13.639
because I think Paul's got to his questions now.

777
00:48:15.320 --> 00:48:18.239
Thanks Charles, I have a couple that have been arcolating

778
00:48:18.320 --> 00:48:20.519
here for the whole time. It is a pleasure, Margaret,

779
00:48:20.599 --> 00:48:23.239
thanks for making time to come with us here today.

780
00:48:23.360 --> 00:48:26.280
Now I have to confess that in the labyrinth of

781
00:48:26.360 --> 00:48:30.559
my house, I also curate a small museum, nothing akin

782
00:48:30.679 --> 00:48:33.159
to yours, but I was inspired by your visit to

783
00:48:33.199 --> 00:48:36.280
share a couple of things with you. The John Glenn

784
00:48:36.519 --> 00:48:40.679
hot wheels, yes, I love that we.

785
00:48:40.800 --> 00:48:42.679
Have one in the collection, and I have one that

786
00:48:42.760 --> 00:48:44.719
I owned from before I came to the museum.

787
00:48:45.119 --> 00:48:46.599
I just had to pop that out.

788
00:48:46.719 --> 00:48:52.519
And originally tiny little action figures of John Glenn Mercury astronaut,

789
00:48:53.000 --> 00:48:55.519
John Glenn Shuttle astronaut and st.

790
00:48:56.039 --> 00:49:01.079
John Glenn amazing is adorable that stuff. I love that

791
00:49:01.199 --> 00:49:04.639
stuff the only And then this is like, well, I'm

792
00:49:05.039 --> 00:49:09.000
sort of outing myself age wise here, friend. But original

793
00:49:09.159 --> 00:49:12.559
nineteen sixty nine coloring book.

794
00:49:13.840 --> 00:49:15.360
Very nice, you know, with.

795
00:49:16.840 --> 00:49:21.440
Because some things about dealing with the space never changed.

796
00:49:21.480 --> 00:49:24.519
There's always a president who has to like you know,

797
00:49:25.639 --> 00:49:28.559
glad hand around, so you know those some things are

798
00:49:28.679 --> 00:49:32.079
just you know, timeless. As you say, it's the forever business. Yes,

799
00:49:32.159 --> 00:49:33.920
I just had a couple of quick questions. I wanted

800
00:49:34.000 --> 00:49:37.880
to tosh your way here. I mean, obviously the enterprise

801
00:49:38.039 --> 00:49:41.880
is like your you know, your big star, your huge

802
00:49:41.920 --> 00:49:44.199
set piece, and you talked a little bit about ray

803
00:49:44.239 --> 00:49:48.360
guns and other things like that. Are there other entertainment items.

804
00:49:48.400 --> 00:49:51.639
There's vehicles from science fiction that you're really drawn to

805
00:49:51.960 --> 00:49:55.039
that are part of the you know, the big showcase

806
00:49:55.039 --> 00:49:55.920
pieces that you love.

807
00:49:57.119 --> 00:50:00.360
We have a wonderful play set from the nineteen fifty fifties.

808
00:50:00.440 --> 00:50:05.480
That's from Space Patrol, which was a nineteen fifties television show,

809
00:50:05.679 --> 00:50:08.840
and it's from a moment when the toy makers were

810
00:50:09.000 --> 00:50:12.599
literally taking toys that would otherwise have been Western forts. Right,

811
00:50:12.639 --> 00:50:15.440
it has a little stockade that you build with little

812
00:50:15.519 --> 00:50:19.519
metal pieces, and then there's a little fort essentially that

813
00:50:19.639 --> 00:50:22.559
goes in the middle, and with new lithography, it becomes

814
00:50:22.679 --> 00:50:26.760
now a space station with the little wall around it

815
00:50:26.880 --> 00:50:30.480
and little aliens and astronauts that can fight each other.

816
00:50:31.199 --> 00:50:35.559
And we got that from a collector named Michael o'harow,

817
00:50:35.639 --> 00:50:38.599
and he was the benefactor who actually gave the museum

818
00:50:38.760 --> 00:50:42.360
most of the social and cultural collection, most of our

819
00:50:42.400 --> 00:50:48.000
space science fiction objects initially, and the opportunity to really

820
00:50:48.079 --> 00:50:50.199
work with that is part of what created the job

821
00:50:50.280 --> 00:50:54.760
for a social cultural historian. And he almost didn't give

822
00:50:54.920 --> 00:50:57.880
that to the museum because it was his when he

823
00:50:58.000 --> 00:51:00.440
was a kid. Right, This wasn't something he was a

824
00:51:00.480 --> 00:51:03.960
collector and he enjoyed getting things. And then when he

825
00:51:04.119 --> 00:51:05.920
was kind of done with all of his collecting, he

826
00:51:06.079 --> 00:51:07.960
was ready to move it to the museum, and he

827
00:51:08.119 --> 00:51:10.719
really hesitated on that one because that wasn't just something

828
00:51:10.800 --> 00:51:13.719
he bought as an adult, it was where his heart

829
00:51:13.800 --> 00:51:16.800
had started with it as a kid. And so we

830
00:51:16.960 --> 00:51:21.519
have the little Space Patrol membership card signed by Buzz

831
00:51:21.599 --> 00:51:25.800
Cory for him when he was like twelve, and so

832
00:51:26.599 --> 00:51:30.079
I love those kinds of things because it's fun putting

833
00:51:30.159 --> 00:51:33.760
these objects on display because people will come and stand

834
00:51:33.840 --> 00:51:36.480
at the case and I had this, or the kid

835
00:51:36.559 --> 00:51:39.039
down the block had that thing, or my cousin had

836
00:51:39.599 --> 00:51:43.320
this one, or oh I wanted that. And so everything

837
00:51:43.599 --> 00:51:47.400
from Buck Rogers and Flash Gordon through to the Migo

838
00:51:47.559 --> 00:51:52.239
set of from the original Star Trek all the way

839
00:51:52.320 --> 00:51:56.239
through to We got a great collection of Babylon five

840
00:51:56.440 --> 00:52:00.360
memorabilia from a colleague of mine who works in our

841
00:52:00.880 --> 00:52:03.719
collections department, and right when I came on board, she said, oh,

842
00:52:03.840 --> 00:52:07.400
I have a whole lot of Battle on five action figures,

843
00:52:08.280 --> 00:52:10.480
us full top or T shirts, all kinds of things

844
00:52:10.519 --> 00:52:12.719
that we were able to bring that in. So I

845
00:52:12.840 --> 00:52:16.960
love the range of visions. Uh, And that's really what

846
00:52:17.159 --> 00:52:19.599
got me working on Space Craze was trying to like

847
00:52:19.719 --> 00:52:21.599
get my head around what do these all mean?

848
00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:24.880
So the materia for what goes in the exhibit hall

849
00:52:25.039 --> 00:52:26.719
is like, is it cool? Do you like it?

850
00:52:26.960 --> 00:52:32.039
I mean that we would back to the guilds.

851
00:52:33.639 --> 00:52:33.880
It is.

852
00:52:34.039 --> 00:52:37.360
What is it cool? It's you know, how durable is it?

853
00:52:37.440 --> 00:52:41.159
Will it stand up to being on display? We have

854
00:52:41.519 --> 00:52:43.719
much much more at the museum than we can ever

855
00:52:43.840 --> 00:52:47.320
put on display, in part because it's also a research collection.

856
00:52:47.519 --> 00:52:49.199
We want people to be able to come and see

857
00:52:49.199 --> 00:52:52.639
the real things for generations, to tell the story of

858
00:52:52.719 --> 00:52:56.519
aviation and spaceflight and how they have been imagined and remembered.

859
00:52:57.079 --> 00:53:01.039
And then and then we really wrestle over what out

860
00:53:01.079 --> 00:53:02.920
of that can we put on display.

861
00:53:03.960 --> 00:53:06.199
I just have to ask you, is there something in

862
00:53:06.519 --> 00:53:10.840
like say the last twenty years or so, or even

863
00:53:10.880 --> 00:53:15.360
longer thirty years of like cop culture, science fiction, television,

864
00:53:15.840 --> 00:53:18.960
motion pictures that you just covet that you won in

865
00:53:19.119 --> 00:53:21.480
the museum that just it rings your bell.

866
00:53:23.000 --> 00:53:30.719
M That's always the hard question, trying to think. We've

867
00:53:30.760 --> 00:53:34.079
gotten a few pieces of memorabilia from the expanse. We

868
00:53:34.199 --> 00:53:40.920
were able to get Bobby Draper's Martian marine helmet that

869
00:53:41.119 --> 00:53:44.039
was actually screen used, and then the other going in

870
00:53:44.119 --> 00:53:48.480
a different direction, we have a costume helmet for Master

871
00:53:48.679 --> 00:53:53.360
Chief from the Halo video game series. So my colleagues

872
00:53:53.360 --> 00:53:56.519
who curated a new exhibit called Futures in Space, which

873
00:53:56.679 --> 00:53:58.920
just opened up a year or so ago, did some

874
00:53:59.119 --> 00:54:02.039
amazing collect thing to really try to bring the collection

875
00:54:02.280 --> 00:54:06.679
up to the present. I will answer it's a Dodge, Paul.

876
00:54:06.760 --> 00:54:10.159
But I'm going to answer your question by saying that

877
00:54:11.719 --> 00:54:14.840
what is so fun about my job is stuff shows

878
00:54:14.920 --> 00:54:17.719
up over the transom. I get emails about things, Hey,

879
00:54:17.880 --> 00:54:19.880
I have a would you be interested?

880
00:54:21.519 --> 00:54:21.840
And all.

881
00:54:22.440 --> 00:54:26.440
Sometimes some really interesting stuff just shows up. It was

882
00:54:26.519 --> 00:54:29.440
in the back of someone's closet, or it's an urprised

883
00:54:29.599 --> 00:54:32.639
thing that's been in the front, and they are suddenly

884
00:54:32.800 --> 00:54:34.840
you know, they've hit a circumstance where they're willing to

885
00:54:34.920 --> 00:54:37.599
part with it, or they're thinking about a longer term

886
00:54:37.760 --> 00:54:43.360
home for something. So I need a better answer to

887
00:54:43.440 --> 00:54:45.559
that because I always stutter over it. I can ever

888
00:54:45.639 --> 00:54:46.400
think of something else.

889
00:54:46.480 --> 00:54:49.039
Okay, it's okay, a.

890
00:54:49.079 --> 00:54:52.440
Curveball at you. I'm betting you watch for all Mankind?

891
00:54:52.599 --> 00:54:56.280
Right, that's oh, yes, yeah, and we're very I was

892
00:54:56.519 --> 00:54:59.880
pleased they called a couple of times, uh to ask

893
00:55:00.079 --> 00:55:06.679
about archival things, the getting plans for the docking unit

894
00:55:06.760 --> 00:55:09.599
before the Apollo soyus of getting trying to get some

895
00:55:09.800 --> 00:55:12.880
sense of what the inside of that looked like, and

896
00:55:13.000 --> 00:55:15.119
so we were. I was able to point them to

897
00:55:15.599 --> 00:55:19.000
our archivists who keep all of this documentation on the

898
00:55:19.159 --> 00:55:23.519
history of spaceflight. So I liked the imagination of that

899
00:55:23.679 --> 00:55:26.280
kind of alternate timeline of the space age and the

900
00:55:26.360 --> 00:55:31.559
ways in which they both huge really carefully to some

901
00:55:31.760 --> 00:55:34.280
of the technical details, and then also, you know, just

902
00:55:34.400 --> 00:55:36.119
played with the history in some fun ways.

903
00:55:36.880 --> 00:55:38.000
Yeah, get it.

904
00:55:38.239 --> 00:55:39.760
We ever get a chance to get hold of Mark

905
00:55:39.840 --> 00:55:41.599
Kelly's gorilla out.

906
00:55:43.360 --> 00:55:45.719
Clear to me that Mark Kelly's guerrilla suit came home,

907
00:55:47.119 --> 00:55:51.639
so and it may still be up there. I'm not

908
00:55:51.719 --> 00:55:54.239
sure they spent down mass to get that back. And

909
00:55:55.119 --> 00:55:57.800
and honestly, one of the issues in a space where

910
00:55:57.840 --> 00:56:00.280
you can't open the windows is that things can get

911
00:56:00.320 --> 00:56:02.840
a little stinky. I'm not I wonder about that suit.

912
00:56:05.920 --> 00:56:06.480
I just love it.

913
00:56:06.559 --> 00:56:09.559
Yeah, so funny, genius, Absolutely genius.

914
00:56:09.639 --> 00:56:13.000
Okay, last question, because I know that Trexpert Eric is

915
00:56:13.039 --> 00:56:14.880
ready to like chew off his army. Was I going

916
00:56:14.920 --> 00:56:18.079
to wrap this up? But you're a little girl and

917
00:56:18.199 --> 00:56:21.199
the television's on, and maybe it's Star Trek, maybe it's

918
00:56:21.239 --> 00:56:24.559
something else. Was there a moment for you that just

919
00:56:24.679 --> 00:56:27.159
kind of made the lights go on your dashboard and

920
00:56:27.239 --> 00:56:29.360
go wow, science fiction? Holy moly?

921
00:56:29.960 --> 00:56:30.239
All right?

922
00:56:30.760 --> 00:56:32.559
Was that a Star Trek thing because you mentioned like

923
00:56:32.639 --> 00:56:35.079
the eighties or do you have a memory of that

924
00:56:35.239 --> 00:56:37.800
that just really like, wow, I was.

925
00:56:37.840 --> 00:56:41.480
Exactly the right age to watch Star Wars in the theater.

926
00:56:42.599 --> 00:56:45.440
And the story on that, which I don't remember as much,

927
00:56:45.559 --> 00:56:48.480
is that my mother had taken my brother and I

928
00:56:49.559 --> 00:56:52.760
and I would have been about six, and the opening

929
00:56:52.880 --> 00:56:55.880
crawl starts until she's reading it to my younger brother

930
00:56:55.960 --> 00:57:00.639
who's four, and I apparently say I can read like

931
00:57:00.840 --> 00:57:08.480
I was very offended was being read out loud. So uh,

932
00:57:08.719 --> 00:57:12.039
and that's a very Margaret story. I was an early

933
00:57:12.199 --> 00:57:16.719
reader and a voracious reader, and so I would say.

934
00:57:16.760 --> 00:57:20.039
The other thing that kind of grabbed my Madeline Langles

935
00:57:20.400 --> 00:57:23.880
a Wrinkle in Time, which isn't a kind of rocket

936
00:57:24.000 --> 00:57:28.159
to space story, but is certainly a you know, expansive

937
00:57:28.239 --> 00:57:31.360
story of thinking about you know, talking about a tesseract,

938
00:57:31.400 --> 00:57:35.519
talking about bringing these real science concepts into this wonderful

939
00:57:35.599 --> 00:57:39.800
adventure story of you know, Meg Murray and and you

940
00:57:39.880 --> 00:57:43.239
know it's a girl named Margaret who goes on adventures

941
00:57:43.280 --> 00:57:45.679
and has a boyfriend. So like, you know, super fun,

942
00:57:46.400 --> 00:57:48.880
great vision of you know, what could be possible, and

943
00:57:50.880 --> 00:57:54.880
there weren't always uh, even you know, seventies eighties. It

944
00:57:55.079 --> 00:57:58.079
was I was twelve by the time Sally Ryde was

945
00:57:58.159 --> 00:58:01.559
going up, and you started to get to see more

946
00:58:01.800 --> 00:58:06.280
examples of women and girls doing things in those kinds

947
00:58:06.320 --> 00:58:09.760
of fields. So so those would be a couple of

948
00:58:09.840 --> 00:58:12.599
the places where the lights turned on for me. We're

949
00:58:12.599 --> 00:58:14.599
both in watching and also in reading.

950
00:58:15.400 --> 00:58:20.239
Those are those touchstones that never leave us. So fantastic. Well, Margaret,

951
00:58:20.360 --> 00:58:23.320
you're a delight friend, and thank you so much for

952
00:58:23.800 --> 00:58:27.000
being so open and sharing everything. I'm I didn't think

953
00:58:27.000 --> 00:58:29.400
i'd be saying this sentence this year at all, but

954
00:58:29.519 --> 00:58:32.280
you make me want to go to Washington, DC. So

955
00:58:32.920 --> 00:58:35.599
I'm gonna have to visit the I'm gonna I'm gonna

956
00:58:35.639 --> 00:58:38.159
have to visit the Smithsonium. I've never been, so I

957
00:58:38.320 --> 00:58:41.280
have to. I gotta get myself down there. But yes,

958
00:58:41.480 --> 00:58:44.119
now I have on the top of the hour though,

959
00:58:44.599 --> 00:58:47.679
now that I know the secret thing. So thank you

960
00:58:47.760 --> 00:58:52.800
my friend Trexpert Eric, who is just I cannot even

961
00:58:52.880 --> 00:58:55.880
tell you the avalanche of cascading.

962
00:58:55.400 --> 00:59:02.880
Questions he's about the radiation coming from me. I curated

963
00:59:02.960 --> 00:59:08.719
my special moon landing background just in honor of having Margaret. Margaret,

964
00:59:08.800 --> 00:59:12.119
it's just such a delight to have you here. I

965
00:59:12.239 --> 00:59:15.519
can't tell you how much. Actually, the National Air and

966
00:59:15.559 --> 00:59:19.199
Space Museum meant to me as a kid. So I was,

967
00:59:19.320 --> 00:59:22.280
you know, a kid born in the early seventies, kind

968
00:59:22.320 --> 00:59:25.000
of like I didn't see Star Wars in the theaters,

969
00:59:25.039 --> 00:59:27.639
but I saw Return of the Jedi when I was seven, right,

970
00:59:27.840 --> 00:59:29.840
So I was like right in the middle of that

971
00:59:30.000 --> 00:59:32.519
kind of space craze thing. And as soon as I

972
00:59:32.639 --> 00:59:37.920
learned that there was a national museum that featured space travel,

973
00:59:38.639 --> 00:59:42.400
I just lost my stuff, right, So child of the

974
00:59:42.440 --> 00:59:45.679
early eighties grew up in love with the Shuttle program.

975
00:59:45.800 --> 00:59:49.559
I remember one of my very first science projects was

976
00:59:49.639 --> 00:59:52.800
a you know, one of those dioramas like the Tripartheid

977
00:59:52.960 --> 00:59:55.760
dioramas with pictures of the Shuttle that I had drawn

978
00:59:55.920 --> 00:59:58.440
and how I'd learned about the booster rockets and the

979
00:59:59.079 --> 01:00:00.920
you know, the retro rock it's that like steer it

980
01:00:00.960 --> 01:00:03.119
in space and all this kind of stuff. So just

981
01:00:03.519 --> 01:00:08.239
very very part of that space culture of the early eighties.

982
01:00:09.000 --> 01:00:10.960
And I actually finally got to go to the Air

983
01:00:11.039 --> 01:00:13.639
and Space Museum in high school for the first time,

984
01:00:13.679 --> 01:00:15.320
and then I got to go for a second time

985
01:00:15.519 --> 01:00:17.559
back in two thousand and nine, so it has been

986
01:00:18.079 --> 01:00:22.880
a little while since I've been there. Also, just as

987
01:00:22.920 --> 01:00:24.880
a point of information. I don't know if you know

988
01:00:25.079 --> 01:00:27.199
or not been in Oregon. We actually have a really

989
01:00:27.280 --> 01:00:31.719
cool Air and Space museum. It's in a place called McMinnville, Oregon,

990
01:00:32.440 --> 01:00:34.880
and we have things like a V two rocket and

991
01:00:34.960 --> 01:00:37.920
an SR seventy one Blackbird, a stealth fighter and the

992
01:00:38.119 --> 01:00:40.119
Spruce Goose is there and all that kind of stuff.

993
01:00:41.920 --> 01:00:44.800
But getting past all of that, I'm also an architect,

994
01:00:44.880 --> 01:00:48.079
and so I'm really interested in your big renovation. I

995
01:00:48.159 --> 01:00:51.960
know it's been going on for many, many years, and

996
01:00:52.239 --> 01:00:54.559
I understand that maybe this summer is kind of like

997
01:00:54.760 --> 01:00:59.199
the Grand Shenanigans that sort of celebrates the whole thing.

998
01:00:59.360 --> 01:01:02.119
So I would love to know more about your big renovation.

999
01:01:03.440 --> 01:01:05.559
The couple of new cool exhibits that you have, the

1000
01:01:05.639 --> 01:01:09.440
Milestones of flight and the Pioneers of Flight exhibits, It's like,

1001
01:01:09.679 --> 01:01:11.519
what did it take to get there? What was that

1002
01:01:11.880 --> 01:01:13.039
whole process like?

1003
01:01:15.760 --> 01:01:20.440
So this began years ago. So the National Air and

1004
01:01:20.480 --> 01:01:24.400
Space Museum building on the National Mall was opened on

1005
01:01:24.639 --> 01:01:27.320
July one of nineteen seventy six. It was a bi

1006
01:01:27.440 --> 01:01:30.320
centennial present to the country. So for the two hundredth

1007
01:01:30.360 --> 01:01:33.920
birthday of the country, the anniversary of the Declaration of Independence,

1008
01:01:34.440 --> 01:01:37.320
the nation gave itself a National Air and Space Museum,

1009
01:01:37.679 --> 01:01:43.559
building a build the museum had existed before, but hadn't

1010
01:01:43.599 --> 01:01:47.679
had its own space for objects, and so it's a

1011
01:01:47.840 --> 01:01:50.440
very nineteen seventy six thing. You come in, there's the

1012
01:01:50.519 --> 01:01:53.199
right flyer hanging right in the middle, and right in

1013
01:01:53.280 --> 01:01:55.760
front of that the Columbia Command Module that brought Neil

1014
01:01:55.880 --> 01:01:58.119
Armstrong and Buzz Aldurn and Mike Collins back from the

1015
01:01:58.159 --> 01:02:01.000
Moon in nineteen sixty nine. And if you're an American,

1016
01:02:01.119 --> 01:02:04.039
then you're the citizen of the nation that invented the

1017
01:02:04.079 --> 01:02:08.360
airplane and just walked on the moon. Happy birthday. So

1018
01:02:09.400 --> 01:02:13.440
that has been you know, where that building started. And

1019
01:02:13.599 --> 01:02:17.000
then we were looking forward to the fiftieth anniversary of

1020
01:02:17.039 --> 01:02:19.719
that building, which is coming up Midsummer of July one

1021
01:02:20.119 --> 01:02:24.199
this year. We really started the process years ago, in

1022
01:02:24.480 --> 01:02:29.760
you know, twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, of realizing that the building,

1023
01:02:30.360 --> 01:02:32.719
which had come in on time and under budget in

1024
01:02:32.760 --> 01:02:36.920
the nineteen seventies, had really suffered from age and so

1025
01:02:37.039 --> 01:02:40.400
we had problems with h fact, we had problems with leaks,

1026
01:02:40.960 --> 01:02:45.440
the water problems inside the building, and then also just

1027
01:02:46.360 --> 01:02:50.519
it was not up to you know, what visitors expect

1028
01:02:50.880 --> 01:02:53.480
now and what we would want to have in terms of,

1029
01:02:53.679 --> 01:02:55.920
you know, just wiring and everything that we want to have,

1030
01:02:56.199 --> 01:02:59.199
and so we wanted to put that all on display.

1031
01:02:59.320 --> 01:03:01.159
So they came to the curators and they said, if

1032
01:03:01.199 --> 01:03:04.440
we're gonna essentially have to rebuild the whole building, we're

1033
01:03:04.480 --> 01:03:06.559
not going to take it out all down ever, but

1034
01:03:06.760 --> 01:03:08.519
we're going to do it in stripes and we're going

1035
01:03:08.599 --> 01:03:11.599
to work our way down. And if you had to

1036
01:03:11.679 --> 01:03:14.440
take everything out of the building and put it all back,

1037
01:03:14.960 --> 01:03:17.639
would you put it back the same way? And the answer,

1038
01:03:17.679 --> 01:03:19.480
of course, if we're any good at our job should

1039
01:03:19.480 --> 01:03:22.079
be is no. Right, Like, we have new objects, we

1040
01:03:22.159 --> 01:03:24.440
have new stories. There's all this new stuff going on

1041
01:03:24.599 --> 01:03:28.679
in this space program. As David pointed out, we want

1042
01:03:28.719 --> 01:03:30.519
to be able to tell those stories to put that

1043
01:03:30.760 --> 01:03:34.559
stuff on display. And that's how we end up assigning

1044
01:03:34.599 --> 01:03:37.679
ourselves the job of doing twenty plus galleries at a time,

1045
01:03:39.119 --> 01:03:41.920
which is kind of bananas in retrospect and in the

1046
01:03:42.159 --> 01:03:46.000
doing of it now. So we're excited. We've got seven

1047
01:03:46.119 --> 01:03:48.559
more galleries that are going to come online this year.

1048
01:03:49.559 --> 01:03:52.119
I think at least almost all of them will be

1049
01:03:52.239 --> 01:03:55.199
done by that July one date. We're excited about this

1050
01:03:55.320 --> 01:03:58.000
whole year as the anniversary. So it's the two hundred

1051
01:03:58.000 --> 01:04:01.440
and fiftieth birthday of the nation, it's the fiftieth birthday

1052
01:04:01.480 --> 01:04:04.840
of the building. And I will say Eric that one

1053
01:04:04.920 --> 01:04:06.960
of the things that we're trying to do and we

1054
01:04:07.159 --> 01:04:09.719
really keep in mind is when we tell people we're

1055
01:04:09.760 --> 01:04:12.639
at the Air and Space Museum, when people come to us,

1056
01:04:14.239 --> 01:04:18.519
it's a beloved place, like people have these really formative

1057
01:04:18.559 --> 01:04:21.000
memories of like what they saw there when they came

1058
01:04:22.400 --> 01:04:25.280
and so we and we had that that's how we

1059
01:04:25.440 --> 01:04:28.159
ended up there in the first place. So we're trying

1060
01:04:28.239 --> 01:04:30.320
to live up to that and think about, you know,

1061
01:04:30.400 --> 01:04:34.440
how do we bring people back with the favorites. So

1062
01:04:34.639 --> 01:04:38.360
having the belex one that broke the sound barrier with

1063
01:04:38.519 --> 01:04:39.639
Chuck Yeger or my.

1064
01:04:39.679 --> 01:04:43.199
Favorites who I love that exhibit. That exhibit is so cool.

1065
01:04:43.519 --> 01:04:45.000
Like the first time I saw it, I was like,

1066
01:04:45.360 --> 01:04:48.559
let me explain to you how the sound barrier was broken,

1067
01:04:48.599 --> 01:04:50.559
and let me explain to you what a sonic boomy

1068
01:04:50.599 --> 01:04:52.559
is because I'm such a nerd that I totally understood

1069
01:04:52.559 --> 01:04:53.239
it way back when.

1070
01:04:55.800 --> 01:04:58.159
So we've we've got all of those things, and then

1071
01:04:58.199 --> 01:05:00.599
we're really thinking about, you know what else it's going

1072
01:05:00.679 --> 01:05:03.559
on now, how do we talk to people about the

1073
01:05:03.679 --> 01:05:06.679
work that's being done on the International Space Station, or

1074
01:05:06.760 --> 01:05:10.119
really imaginative ways that people are thinking about, you know,

1075
01:05:10.239 --> 01:05:13.639
what's going to be possible. We've got a mock up

1076
01:05:13.880 --> 01:05:17.320
of a Mars habitat and one of the ideas that

1077
01:05:17.840 --> 01:05:20.920
you know, real scientists engineers are playing with right now

1078
01:05:21.079 --> 01:05:25.039
is essentially, can you three D print on Mars using

1079
01:05:25.840 --> 01:05:28.880
the materials that are there? Right, it's not going to

1080
01:05:28.920 --> 01:05:34.000
be realistic to bring things to bring building materials with you,

1081
01:05:34.440 --> 01:05:37.000
but can you build bricks out of the regular you

1082
01:05:37.079 --> 01:05:40.239
know that you've got pictured behind you? Can you scoop

1083
01:05:40.360 --> 01:05:45.079
up bits of Martian? It's not soil, right, because it

1084
01:05:45.199 --> 01:05:48.400
has to have a biological component to be soil. I

1085
01:05:48.519 --> 01:05:53.760
work with too many geologists and they've broken me and

1086
01:05:53.840 --> 01:05:57.079
I can't think of what it's not regulars? Somehow that's moon.

1087
01:05:57.760 --> 01:06:00.079
But basically, can you scoop up the you know, the

1088
01:06:00.199 --> 01:06:04.280
dust and dirt there and create something out of it

1089
01:06:04.480 --> 01:06:09.760
that would then be able to protect people? So anyway,

1090
01:06:09.880 --> 01:06:12.480
those are the kinds of stories that we are getting

1091
01:06:12.559 --> 01:06:17.719
to tell, and it's been a tremendous process of trying

1092
01:06:17.840 --> 01:06:20.920
to do the best by the artifacts and then the

1093
01:06:21.079 --> 01:06:23.519
three D experience, and then where are the places where

1094
01:06:23.519 --> 01:06:26.920
we're bringing media in UH, and we're able to interview

1095
01:06:27.000 --> 01:06:30.320
people and really have you know, the faces and voices

1096
01:06:30.400 --> 01:06:33.119
of people talking to you about the work.

1097
01:06:32.960 --> 01:06:33.320
That they do.

1098
01:06:34.039 --> 01:06:39.000
Mm hmm, that's fantastic. I guess on so on any

1099
01:06:39.079 --> 01:06:44.000
one day, what percentage of your collection is actually on

1100
01:06:44.199 --> 01:06:45.719
display versus.

1101
01:06:45.960 --> 01:06:46.400
In the.

1102
01:06:48.079 --> 01:06:50.960
In the basement there the majority is it? And we

1103
01:06:51.039 --> 01:06:54.000
don't have on site storage just for so it is

1104
01:06:54.119 --> 01:06:57.239
we have a whole facility that is offsite in UH

1105
01:06:57.440 --> 01:07:04.480
in Maryland, and UH it's I don't know what our

1106
01:07:04.559 --> 01:07:07.320
current numbers are. I should have looked it up, but

1107
01:07:07.519 --> 01:07:09.800
it's I think we're going to have like twenty twenty

1108
01:07:09.880 --> 01:07:12.480
five percent something like that on display, right, we have

1109
01:07:12.679 --> 01:07:17.280
far more. Uh, that's not and and some of that's

1110
01:07:17.360 --> 01:07:20.159
deliberate in order to have a research collection. The idea

1111
01:07:20.239 --> 01:07:22.559
is that you know, generations from now, when people want

1112
01:07:22.559 --> 01:07:25.320
to know the real history of aviation and spaceflight, they

1113
01:07:25.360 --> 01:07:27.440
should be able to come and see the things.

1114
01:07:28.639 --> 01:07:28.800
You know.

1115
01:07:28.920 --> 01:07:31.239
The analogy that often gets used is, you know, it's

1116
01:07:31.320 --> 01:07:34.000
one thing to have all of these excellent history books.

1117
01:07:34.400 --> 01:07:37.719
It's like having a copy of you know, Julia Child's cookbook.

1118
01:07:38.039 --> 01:07:40.760
But if you could also have a pot of beef borgnon,

1119
01:07:41.960 --> 01:07:44.480
you know, that you could test that, you could taste that,

1120
01:07:44.639 --> 01:07:48.039
you know, as opposed to just the instructions. How wouldn't

1121
01:07:48.079 --> 01:07:51.119
that enrich your understanding of it? And that in many

1122
01:07:51.199 --> 01:07:53.480
ways is what you know. A museum is a material

1123
01:07:53.599 --> 01:07:57.440
library that allows us to preserve those things. And we know,

1124
01:07:57.639 --> 01:08:01.079
you know, NASA comes and want to see heat shields

1125
01:08:01.119 --> 01:08:03.199
when they're working on heat shields and wants to be

1126
01:08:03.280 --> 01:08:06.880
able to look at what was done with mercury geminy Apollo,

1127
01:08:07.039 --> 01:08:09.840
and then as they're building the ones for the Orion spacecraft,

1128
01:08:10.320 --> 01:08:13.400
they're looking at you know, how they know the recipes

1129
01:08:13.480 --> 01:08:16.000
for what was built on Apollo, and they want to

1130
01:08:16.039 --> 01:08:18.159
be able to see how did that hold up over

1131
01:08:18.279 --> 01:08:21.439
time and how does that help them in understanding what

1132
01:08:21.520 --> 01:08:25.800
they're building now. So it's a collection that gets used

1133
01:08:25.840 --> 01:08:29.760
all the time, and both for exhibit and education, but

1134
01:08:29.960 --> 01:08:32.560
also for research purposes as well.

1135
01:08:34.039 --> 01:08:37.319
That's just amazing. And I know that when I, like

1136
01:08:37.359 --> 01:08:39.560
I said, I've only been there twice. The last was

1137
01:08:39.640 --> 01:08:41.239
way back in two thousand and nine. But when you

1138
01:08:41.399 --> 01:08:44.680
stand there sort of looking around, immersed by all of

1139
01:08:44.800 --> 01:08:48.159
this history, you get a little bit of a special tingle.

1140
01:08:48.279 --> 01:08:48.399
Right.

1141
01:08:49.079 --> 01:08:52.800
It's like, I can't really describe it, but it's a

1142
01:08:52.920 --> 01:08:56.239
moment when you feel connected to other human beings from

1143
01:08:56.319 --> 01:08:59.079
the past. You feel connected to things that you like,

1144
01:08:59.319 --> 01:09:02.039
like science and science fiction and things like that. You

1145
01:09:02.119 --> 01:09:04.560
feel connected to the fact that there are actually physical

1146
01:09:04.680 --> 01:09:07.760
objects there that you're looking at. You know, the first

1147
01:09:07.800 --> 01:09:11.399
time I ever I would love for you guys to

1148
01:09:11.800 --> 01:09:14.079
somehow get a space shuttle. But the first time I

1149
01:09:14.119 --> 01:09:16.720
ever went to the California Science Center, I got to

1150
01:09:16.760 --> 01:09:19.239
see the space Shuttle Endeavor and I walked into the

1151
01:09:19.319 --> 01:09:22.279
room and I started crying. It was like such a

1152
01:09:22.399 --> 01:09:25.239
seminal moment in my life to like finally see a

1153
01:09:25.239 --> 01:09:27.399
space shuttle. And I feel like the Aeron Space Museum

1154
01:09:27.479 --> 01:09:29.800
is that way, you know, the breaking the sound barrier

1155
01:09:30.199 --> 01:09:32.880
Spirit of Saint louis actually David, do you have the

1156
01:09:33.880 --> 01:09:35.479
little image there? I wanted to show you. This is

1157
01:09:35.520 --> 01:09:38.439
a poster that has been hanging on my wall since

1158
01:09:38.479 --> 01:09:44.199
about me and I just you wouldn't believe the number

1159
01:09:44.239 --> 01:09:47.920
of hours that I spent as a small boy kind

1160
01:09:47.920 --> 01:09:52.000
of staring at this poster imagining the world's right. That

1161
01:09:52.600 --> 01:09:56.079
were part of this poster. So I just wanted to

1162
01:09:56.159 --> 01:09:57.640
share that really quickly with you.

1163
01:09:59.279 --> 01:10:01.520
Yeah, I will mention.

1164
01:10:01.760 --> 01:10:04.560
So the Air and Space Museum has a second facility.

1165
01:10:04.880 --> 01:10:07.399
We're one museum with two sites, and we have the

1166
01:10:07.520 --> 01:10:10.880
Steven Food Varhauser Center, which is out by Dallas Airport,

1167
01:10:11.640 --> 01:10:14.840
so it's about forty five minutes away from what's in downtown.

1168
01:10:15.560 --> 01:10:18.800
But that has allowed us to put larger things on display,

1169
01:10:19.000 --> 01:10:23.159
including the Flowe Space Shuttle Orbit or Discovery, but also

1170
01:10:23.479 --> 01:10:29.239
an SR seventy one spyplane at Concorde, supersonic plane from

1171
01:10:29.359 --> 01:10:34.760
air Front, Anola Gay is out there, Huey helicopter. So

1172
01:10:34.880 --> 01:10:37.680
it really as we try to put more of our

1173
01:10:37.720 --> 01:10:40.920
collection on display, it gives us a space to put

1174
01:10:41.039 --> 01:10:42.680
some of the very big things.

1175
01:10:43.600 --> 01:10:46.159
It sounds like I need to go back. I'm also

1176
01:10:46.359 --> 01:10:48.279
very excited about one of your newest things that I

1177
01:10:48.600 --> 01:10:50.359
don't know if it's on display, if it's coming up

1178
01:10:50.399 --> 01:10:55.000
on display, but the Ingenuity Space helicopter, Yes, it.

1179
01:10:55.119 --> 01:10:59.399
Is on display now. So humanity has flown a helicopter

1180
01:10:59.600 --> 01:11:02.920
on an the world on Mars, and so we have

1181
01:11:03.199 --> 01:11:07.279
the flight spare of the Ingenuity helicopter. Someday we'll have

1182
01:11:07.359 --> 01:11:09.680
to send a curator up to Mars to go collect

1183
01:11:09.720 --> 01:11:10.520
the first one.

1184
01:11:12.000 --> 01:11:12.159
One.

1185
01:11:12.319 --> 01:11:14.960
But for right now, you can come to the it's

1186
01:11:15.039 --> 01:11:17.920
actually out at the Udvarhazi Center, and you can see

1187
01:11:17.960 --> 01:11:21.560
the flight spare of that helicopter that has flown on

1188
01:11:21.640 --> 01:11:22.199
another world.

1189
01:11:22.960 --> 01:11:26.039
That's fantastic. So, you know, I mean, I think we've

1190
01:11:26.039 --> 01:11:27.840
already kind of answered this question a little bit. But

1191
01:11:27.960 --> 01:11:30.279
as you know, if somebody's been to the National Air

1192
01:11:30.319 --> 01:11:33.279
and Space Museum in the past, but they haven't been

1193
01:11:33.319 --> 01:11:38.199
for a while, why should they come? Why should they

1194
01:11:38.720 --> 01:11:40.199
Why should they come and check out?

1195
01:11:40.199 --> 01:11:40.640
What do you like?

1196
01:11:40.760 --> 01:11:41.159
What do you have?

1197
01:11:42.399 --> 01:11:44.920
I think what we have is it's a really refreshed

1198
01:11:45.000 --> 01:11:47.720
space that puts things in front of you in a

1199
01:11:47.880 --> 01:11:51.920
new way. The World War One gallery is amazing, just

1200
01:11:52.159 --> 01:11:54.800
you know, it gives a whole new vision of that

1201
01:11:54.960 --> 01:11:58.279
war in the era and on the ground. With the

1202
01:11:58.520 --> 01:12:01.159
stop with camel, that's one that we know, many of

1203
01:12:01.279 --> 01:12:04.600
us know from Snoopy and his battles with the Red baron,

1204
01:12:04.680 --> 01:12:07.960
but an actual stop with camel in the center of

1205
01:12:08.000 --> 01:12:15.199
the gallery. So we've got a wonderful exhibit on called

1206
01:12:15.199 --> 01:12:17.600
the Nation of Speed, and that looks at kind of

1207
01:12:17.760 --> 01:12:20.640
you know, our fascination with going fast and everything from

1208
01:12:20.760 --> 01:12:24.319
race cars to rocket engines, rocket sleds. There is another

1209
01:12:24.520 --> 01:12:29.039
small one of the a MT models of the Starship

1210
01:12:29.199 --> 01:12:32.680
Enterprise on display there. You know that idea of warp

1211
01:12:32.800 --> 01:12:36.039
speed of going you know, faster than the speed of light.

1212
01:12:37.560 --> 01:12:40.079
So I think that's an awful lot of fun. I'm

1213
01:12:40.119 --> 01:12:43.840
excited that we're going to bring back online gallery called

1214
01:12:43.880 --> 01:12:47.000
How Things Fly, which is really our science centery kind

1215
01:12:47.039 --> 01:12:49.399
of gallery about the forces of flight. So if you've

1216
01:12:49.439 --> 01:12:52.520
got you know, kids who like to touch stuff for

1217
01:12:52.640 --> 01:12:55.119
adults who like to you know, touch stuff and play

1218
01:12:55.159 --> 01:12:57.399
with things and learn about the science of you know,

1219
01:12:57.800 --> 01:13:01.520
of gravity and lift. And we'll have a wind tunnel

1220
01:13:01.640 --> 01:13:03.800
in there where kids can go in and put different

1221
01:13:03.880 --> 01:13:07.479
models of wings on and feel how the difference it

1222
01:13:07.600 --> 01:13:12.119
makes in the airstream. So I'm just really excited about

1223
01:13:12.359 --> 01:13:15.600
the ways that we were able to bring Also, some

1224
01:13:15.760 --> 01:13:19.560
of it's literally wallpaper. People walk past it. I don't

1225
01:13:19.600 --> 01:13:21.760
know that they notice it, but we sweated all the

1226
01:13:21.840 --> 01:13:28.239
details on creating these wonderful collages that are projected onto

1227
01:13:28.359 --> 01:13:33.359
our walls of archival images that come from the museum's archives,

1228
01:13:33.439 --> 01:13:36.520
from all of these photographs of objects in the collection,

1229
01:13:36.680 --> 01:13:39.600
but also from the historic collection, and being able to

1230
01:13:40.079 --> 01:13:43.479
have those on the walls. We curators are poor in

1231
01:13:43.600 --> 01:13:47.359
the empty space, and given the opportunity to have some

1232
01:13:47.920 --> 01:13:51.239
projections and to bring some of the images from our

1233
01:13:51.399 --> 01:13:55.159
archives into be able to show the public, we were

1234
01:13:55.199 --> 01:13:57.279
excited to be able to put that out as well.

1235
01:13:57.439 --> 01:14:00.359
So I think it's the objects, but I think they're

1236
01:14:00.479 --> 01:14:03.600
presented in a way that we hope is really engaging

1237
01:14:03.800 --> 01:14:07.239
for families and school groups. And one of the things

1238
01:14:07.279 --> 01:14:10.279
that you know, we know very few people go to

1239
01:14:10.359 --> 01:14:14.640
a museum by themselves. Some do, uh if you're you know,

1240
01:14:14.800 --> 01:14:17.680
visiting for work, but very often you're there with a group,

1241
01:14:17.760 --> 01:14:20.159
and so we're trying to create those opportunities for you

1242
01:14:20.239 --> 01:14:24.119
to have that family experience, for you to share things,

1243
01:14:24.199 --> 01:14:27.439
to notice things together, and to enjoy the museum in

1244
01:14:27.560 --> 01:14:27.880
that way.

1245
01:14:29.039 --> 01:14:31.560
Sounds like an amazing place. I can't wait to make

1246
01:14:31.640 --> 01:14:33.800
my way back to the East Coast to check it out.

1247
01:14:34.560 --> 01:14:37.760
I guess in closing, I always like to ask questions

1248
01:14:37.760 --> 01:14:39.520
about the person that we're interesting.

1249
01:14:39.680 --> 01:14:44.760
So, so Margaret, what do you do for fun when

1250
01:14:44.800 --> 01:14:48.479
you're not curating awesome museum stuff, like.

1251
01:14:48.560 --> 01:14:49.000
What do you do?

1252
01:14:50.279 --> 01:14:53.560
I'm still a reader. I'm working my way through the

1253
01:14:53.760 --> 01:14:58.079
last novel in Mary Rominettekel's Lady Astronaut series right now,

1254
01:14:59.000 --> 01:15:02.920
and I've been in doing that, and I have Atmosphere

1255
01:15:03.119 --> 01:15:05.560
on hold at the public library. They just let me

1256
01:15:05.640 --> 01:15:08.239
know that that's there. My sister in law let me

1257
01:15:08.319 --> 01:15:11.039
know that that's a novel that I should probably be reading.

1258
01:15:11.880 --> 01:15:15.279
So I'm looking forward to discussing that with her. And

1259
01:15:15.399 --> 01:15:20.319
then my family has two dogs who are currently created

1260
01:15:20.399 --> 01:15:27.479
so that they don't ruin this, and you know, literally

1261
01:15:27.600 --> 01:15:31.079
happier than just you know, putting a good you know,

1262
01:15:31.199 --> 01:15:34.079
three to five miles on the dogs and myself outside.

1263
01:15:35.119 --> 01:15:38.880
You know, Virginia has many wonderful trails in the DC

1264
01:15:39.039 --> 01:15:41.920
area is a great place to go for good long walks.

1265
01:15:42.199 --> 01:15:45.600
So something that that's what I like to do. I

1266
01:15:45.800 --> 01:15:50.039
like to you know, exercise, walk, run and read.

1267
01:15:50.800 --> 01:15:53.680
Oh my gosh, well that's that's fantastic and not unlike

1268
01:15:53.800 --> 01:15:56.079
the way we live in the Northwest up here, lots

1269
01:15:56.079 --> 01:15:59.439
of time outside, lots of walking around, lots of enjoying nature.

1270
01:15:59.560 --> 01:16:03.039
So I'm going to pass you back to Jim, but Margaret,

1271
01:16:03.119 --> 01:16:06.279
thank you so much for joining us today. It's been

1272
01:16:06.319 --> 01:16:09.439
a real treat to talk to somebody who's in such

1273
01:16:09.479 --> 01:16:13.239
a cool position, like you're literally living I think the

1274
01:16:13.359 --> 01:16:14.359
dream right you're.

1275
01:16:14.960 --> 01:16:15.279
Are you not?

1276
01:16:15.600 --> 01:16:18.600
Are you not living the dreams?

1277
01:16:18.720 --> 01:16:21.399
More meetings than you would think, So I will throw

1278
01:16:21.520 --> 01:16:22.079
that in there.

1279
01:16:25.159 --> 01:16:25.439
It is.

1280
01:16:25.760 --> 01:16:28.199
It is a dream job, and it is a wonderful

1281
01:16:28.960 --> 01:16:30.760
set of colleagues to get to do the work with

1282
01:16:30.920 --> 01:16:33.640
the people who are really passionate about wanting to do

1283
01:16:33.800 --> 01:16:37.640
this right and wanting to preserve the history and really

1284
01:16:37.840 --> 01:16:39.800
make sure that it's serving the public as well as

1285
01:16:39.840 --> 01:16:42.239
it can be. So and we're very proud. I will

1286
01:16:42.319 --> 01:16:45.159
just throw in the being a national museum. We're mostly

1287
01:16:45.239 --> 01:16:50.279
federal employees, and so we consider this work that we're doing,

1288
01:16:50.479 --> 01:16:52.359
you know, for the nation and the world to preserve

1289
01:16:52.439 --> 01:16:52.960
this history.

1290
01:16:54.239 --> 01:16:54.800
Absolutely.

1291
01:16:56.239 --> 01:17:01.000
I think. I think David has another question for you. David.

1292
01:17:02.199 --> 01:17:05.840
Yeah, it's just a really quick, curious question speaking of

1293
01:17:06.279 --> 01:17:12.039
women influences the whole space genre and exploration. I was curious,

1294
01:17:12.159 --> 01:17:19.000
have you ever met Nicholas Nicole Nicole Nicholas, the poson

1295
01:17:19.039 --> 01:17:19.640
who played her.

1296
01:17:20.399 --> 01:17:27.159
Yes, Michelle Nichols, Yes, Yes, I had met her at

1297
01:17:28.439 --> 01:17:31.159
I first got to meet Michelle Nichols. I was actually

1298
01:17:31.319 --> 01:17:36.439
writing an academic article about the Ahura character for a

1299
01:17:36.760 --> 01:17:41.720
book that was being put together on Star Trek and history,

1300
01:17:42.199 --> 01:17:44.640
and I thought, well, wouldn't it be interesting to kind

1301
01:17:44.680 --> 01:17:47.199
of look at how that character started with the original

1302
01:17:47.279 --> 01:17:49.520
series and then you know, through the various movies and

1303
01:17:49.720 --> 01:17:53.840
other iterations of it. And a colleague from NASA called

1304
01:17:54.000 --> 01:17:57.560
Michelle Nichols was in town. NASA was doing a performance

1305
01:17:57.600 --> 01:18:00.399
at the Kennedy Center and she was going to be singing,

1306
01:18:00.920 --> 01:18:04.319
and he needed to do some other things during the

1307
01:18:04.399 --> 01:18:07.880
day and would I be willing to essentially babysit Michelle

1308
01:18:07.960 --> 01:18:16.560
Nichols for an hour or so? Yeah? Yes, And she

1309
01:18:16.920 --> 01:18:19.680
was so gracious because I, you know, sat down, we

1310
01:18:20.640 --> 01:18:22.520
sat down in the museum and I said, you know,

1311
01:18:22.600 --> 01:18:25.720
I'm working on this article, and all of a sudden,

1312
01:18:25.880 --> 01:18:30.159
she's telling me the story in person about Doctor King

1313
01:18:30.720 --> 01:18:34.520
and the whole episode where she was considering leaving the show,

1314
01:18:34.720 --> 01:18:37.800
but then she met Doctor King at an NAACP event

1315
01:18:38.279 --> 01:18:41.359
and he persuaded her to stay, and how important that

1316
01:18:41.560 --> 01:18:44.800
has been. And I actually it was funny because one

1317
01:18:44.840 --> 01:18:47.920
of the museum photographers took a picture, and I'm sitting

1318
01:18:48.039 --> 01:18:50.560
with my little recording device and I have my head

1319
01:18:50.600 --> 01:18:53.239
cocked and I look very serious in historiany, and she's

1320
01:18:53.319 --> 01:18:56.199
telling me this story and I know that inside.

1321
01:18:55.800 --> 01:18:59.439
Of I can't believe.

1322
01:19:01.760 --> 01:19:06.359
This story directly from her. And I went back upstairs,

1323
01:19:06.560 --> 01:19:10.680
you know, finished that, went back upstairs and called the

1324
01:19:10.800 --> 01:19:13.079
editor and was like, I'm going to be late because

1325
01:19:13.079 --> 01:19:16.479
I am ripping my article up and starting over with

1326
01:19:17.079 --> 01:19:19.840
I talked to Michelle Nichols, and this is good. I

1327
01:19:20.000 --> 01:19:23.760
have this story much better now. So yes, she was

1328
01:19:23.960 --> 01:19:26.479
very gracious. I used to then occasionally see her at

1329
01:19:26.520 --> 01:19:28.840
conventions if I was speaking and she was speaking, and

1330
01:19:28.960 --> 01:19:30.720
she was always nice enough that I, you know, walk

1331
01:19:30.840 --> 01:19:35.119
up and just say hello and remember to her, and

1332
01:19:35.439 --> 01:19:37.359
you know, and I think I was almost always to

1333
01:19:37.439 --> 01:19:39.439
say thank you because I think, you know, really the

1334
01:19:39.720 --> 01:19:44.119
work that was done made such a difference for depiction

1335
01:19:46.279 --> 01:19:50.479
on screen and has had such a lasting cultural impact.

1336
01:19:51.039 --> 01:19:51.279
Wow.

1337
01:19:51.560 --> 01:19:53.279
Cool, that's a really fun story, and thank you.

1338
01:19:55.479 --> 01:19:57.840
Okay, uncle Jim, I'm going to question before.

1339
01:19:58.840 --> 01:20:01.720
Yes, I'm actually going to because we have a guest

1340
01:20:02.359 --> 01:20:06.000
in our chat named c k. It had a couple

1341
01:20:06.000 --> 01:20:09.880
of questions from this first quar. Their first question was,

1342
01:20:10.199 --> 01:20:12.319
will space X ever have an exhibit?

1343
01:20:15.880 --> 01:20:18.880
SpaceX will probably not have a solo exhibit, but we

1344
01:20:19.039 --> 01:20:24.960
certainly have SpaceX materials and we have images already. They're

1345
01:20:25.119 --> 01:20:29.319
doing such important work with Cargo and Crew Dragon, with

1346
01:20:30.600 --> 01:20:36.439
with the whole satellites constellation of being able to you know,

1347
01:20:36.640 --> 01:20:42.680
really revolutionize communications. So yes, we are actively in conversation

1348
01:20:43.319 --> 01:20:48.079
and you will see them already in images on the floor,

1349
01:20:48.239 --> 01:20:53.560
and we're thinking about ways in which sometime that is

1350
01:20:53.680 --> 01:20:56.199
something that we would really love to be able to

1351
01:20:56.520 --> 01:20:59.720
represent on the floor. And we are very interested in

1352
01:20:59.800 --> 01:21:01.680
the pioneering work that they're doing.

1353
01:21:03.159 --> 01:21:05.520
And they had a second question was, I think it's interesting.

1354
01:21:06.239 --> 01:21:09.359
Can people have sprint levels of higher G force at

1355
01:21:09.399 --> 01:21:09.960
the museum?

1356
01:21:12.359 --> 01:21:19.279
Hmm, unless you jump in the elevator, I'm not sure. No,

1357
01:21:19.560 --> 01:21:23.439
I think what we can We've sometimes done some really

1358
01:21:23.520 --> 01:21:26.239
fun things with simulation. We've got a shake table in

1359
01:21:26.319 --> 01:21:28.920
the floor in the America by Error exhibit that gives

1360
01:21:28.960 --> 01:21:31.319
you a sense of if you flew on a Ford

1361
01:21:31.399 --> 01:21:35.159
tri motor, how absolutely unglamorous that would have been at

1362
01:21:35.199 --> 01:21:37.119
the time, and the way that you really would We've

1363
01:21:37.159 --> 01:21:39.479
got a little teacup that you can see just dancing

1364
01:21:39.560 --> 01:21:43.239
around from the vibrations that you would have gotten. So

1365
01:21:43.359 --> 01:21:47.960
we think a little bit about sound. In the Right

1366
01:21:48.039 --> 01:21:51.119
Brothers exhibit, there's a whole section on their testing in

1367
01:21:51.720 --> 01:21:55.479
Kildevil Hills in North Carolina, and you'll hear behind you

1368
01:21:56.079 --> 01:21:58.560
seagulls crying and the sound of the surf. And we

1369
01:21:58.680 --> 01:22:02.399
do try to do something that give you and more

1370
01:22:02.479 --> 01:22:05.119
atmospheric sense of the space, but we have not yet

1371
01:22:05.239 --> 01:22:09.399
figured out how to create either microgravity or increased ges

1372
01:22:09.560 --> 01:22:11.000
in the space of the museum.

1373
01:22:14.520 --> 01:22:20.439
Great question though, all right, well, well before you wrap

1374
01:22:20.560 --> 01:22:24.479
things up, I have one final question for you. Is

1375
01:22:24.680 --> 01:22:26.119
this is going to be a tough one. This is

1376
01:22:26.159 --> 01:22:29.039
going to be a thinker. What did you think about

1377
01:22:29.079 --> 01:22:29.600
our intro?

1378
01:22:29.840 --> 01:22:33.159
So I was waiting for I was hoping there wasn't

1379
01:22:33.159 --> 01:22:34.840
going to be a quiz because I was thinking, I

1380
01:22:34.880 --> 01:22:37.239
think I can name almost everything as it pops up,

1381
01:22:40.199 --> 01:22:45.159
very clever. Really enjoyed the intro and the expansiveness of

1382
01:22:45.319 --> 01:22:49.319
the the trek talking and being able to see quite

1383
01:22:49.359 --> 01:22:53.119
so many different representations of space science fiction in there.

1384
01:22:53.159 --> 01:22:53.960
That was very fun.

1385
01:22:56.960 --> 01:23:01.079
That Oh it was fun, I can add I just

1386
01:23:01.239 --> 01:23:04.159
joined the podcast last I think it was the end

1387
01:23:04.239 --> 01:23:07.399
of May, last May, and so I don't know if

1388
01:23:07.399 --> 01:23:12.319
you noticed how my little avatar, you know, being sort

1389
01:23:12.399 --> 01:23:13.279
of appears.

1390
01:23:15.880 --> 01:23:16.239
I can't.

1391
01:23:16.319 --> 01:23:17.439
I never get tired of that.

1392
01:23:17.680 --> 01:23:20.439
I'm sorry. I have a I'm easily amused, but I

1393
01:23:20.560 --> 01:23:21.600
never get tired.

1394
01:23:22.279 --> 01:23:23.319
I love it too V.

1395
01:23:25.479 --> 01:23:25.680
I know.

1396
01:23:30.239 --> 01:23:37.600
That was that was a miracle of David. With that,

1397
01:23:38.119 --> 01:23:40.680
I guess we're going to say good night, Margaret, thank

1398
01:23:40.720 --> 01:23:48.560
you so much for having Thank you so much, thank you.

1399
01:23:49.359 --> 01:23:51.720
I'll just as a few people have said they wanted

1400
01:23:51.760 --> 01:23:53.880
to come to the museum, please come, and I will

1401
01:23:53.960 --> 01:23:57.439
invite your listeners as well. Come and see us. Visit

1402
01:23:57.560 --> 01:24:01.520
either the center around in Chantilly or are building on

1403
01:24:01.600 --> 01:24:04.560
the National Mall. We're really excited to have more of

1404
01:24:04.640 --> 01:24:06.760
it open this year and to have people come and

1405
01:24:06.960 --> 01:24:10.880
see what we've been able to do and the collection

1406
01:24:11.039 --> 01:24:12.840
that really belongs to the American people.

1407
01:24:14.479 --> 01:24:15.680
Thank you for your work.

1408
01:24:16.000 --> 01:24:18.319
Yes, thank you, thank you.

1409
01:24:19.800 --> 01:24:21.640
So so great, Thank you, Margaret.

1410
01:24:23.119 --> 01:24:33.960
Good night to night. I believe phenomenal Academy premiere tonight. Actually,

1411
01:24:34.439 --> 01:24:36.520
so we can go and go and watch that. And

1412
01:24:36.640 --> 01:24:38.399
I think you guys want to do some some sci

1413
01:24:38.479 --> 01:24:43.199
fi birthdays, sure, do it allright, So let me queue

1414
01:24:43.279 --> 01:24:45.399
up the there we go.

1415
01:24:47.960 --> 01:25:06.520
Yeah, that was not a Klemon song.

1416
01:25:07.640 --> 01:25:09.199
All right, guys? Is it the part of the show

1417
01:25:09.239 --> 01:25:12.039
where we remember our sci fi berkes and we always

1418
01:25:12.079 --> 01:25:17.279
start off with remember I'm along with us, and so

1419
01:25:17.439 --> 01:25:20.119
that we turned to a yeah Jim.

1420
01:25:20.239 --> 01:25:22.920
This week we're going to remember seven members of our

1421
01:25:23.079 --> 01:25:25.399
sci fi community that have gone before us. The first

1422
01:25:25.520 --> 01:25:30.039
is actor Mitchell Ryan, the actor from Louisville, Kentucky, who

1423
01:25:30.159 --> 01:25:33.880
portrayed Kyle Riker in the Next Generation second season episode

1424
01:25:33.920 --> 01:25:38.399
The Icarus Factor Believe it or not. Earlier, Mitchell was

1425
01:25:38.479 --> 01:25:42.039
actually a contender for the role of Captain Jean Luke Picard,

1426
01:25:42.560 --> 01:25:45.159
but he's probably best known for his appearances in Lethal

1427
01:25:45.239 --> 01:25:48.920
Weapon and Dharma, As and Greg, as well as for

1428
01:25:49.039 --> 01:25:52.239
his role as Burke Devlin on the nineteen sixties cult

1429
01:25:52.359 --> 01:25:55.880
series Dark Shadows, which if you have never seen but

1430
01:25:55.960 --> 01:25:57.840
you like that kind of stuff, you should check it out.

1431
01:25:59.239 --> 01:26:01.039
He also started Hugh Hefner.

1432
01:26:00.760 --> 01:26:04.319
Opposite bb Besch and John Boki in the Death of

1433
01:26:04.439 --> 01:26:09.960
a Centerfold The Dorothy Stratton Story. Fantastic movie, very very interesting,

1434
01:26:10.920 --> 01:26:13.319
lots of movies throughout the nineties. That's kind of where

1435
01:26:13.319 --> 01:26:15.800
I remember him was from the nineties, including Halloween, The

1436
01:26:15.880 --> 01:26:19.439
Curse of Michael Myers, and lots of television through the seventies,

1437
01:26:19.520 --> 01:26:23.359
eighties and nineties. His career sort of culminated in a

1438
01:26:23.479 --> 01:26:27.079
project he participated in, something called Smartphone Theater, which is

1439
01:26:27.159 --> 01:26:29.319
still running as far as I know, but it was

1440
01:26:29.800 --> 01:26:31.960
a thing that kind of started at the beginning of COVID.

1441
01:26:32.640 --> 01:26:34.840
He was on a couple of episodes in twenty twenty one.

1442
01:26:35.000 --> 01:26:38.319
So Mitchell Ryan lost just back in twenty twenty two

1443
01:26:38.520 --> 01:26:41.039
at the age of eighty eight years old. Happy birthday

1444
01:26:41.079 --> 01:26:44.880
to Mitchell. Happy birthday as well to Felix Anthony Sila,

1445
01:26:45.279 --> 01:26:48.159
the actor and stuntman who appeared as a telusion in

1446
01:26:48.239 --> 01:26:52.560
the TOS pilot The Cage. He did not, however, receive credit.

1447
01:26:52.319 --> 01:26:52.920
For this role.

1448
01:26:54.079 --> 01:26:56.880
Felix actually hiled from a small village outside of Rome, Italy,

1449
01:26:56.960 --> 01:26:59.920
and was only three foot eleven inches tall. He began

1450
01:27:00.239 --> 01:27:04.640
his career in show business, as one would I guess,

1451
01:27:04.720 --> 01:27:07.920
back in the thirties forties fifties as a circus performer,

1452
01:27:08.000 --> 01:27:11.079
and toured with the Ringling Brothers in Barnum and Bailey Circus.

1453
01:27:11.119 --> 01:27:13.960
Following his arrival in the United States in nineteen fifty five.

1454
01:27:14.600 --> 01:27:17.640
In the early nineteen sixties, he broke into acting and

1455
01:27:17.880 --> 01:27:20.600
stunt work. One of his best known roles is that

1456
01:27:20.800 --> 01:27:25.279
of the short hair covered, gibberish speaking cousin it on

1457
01:27:25.399 --> 01:27:29.720
the classic nineteen sixties television series The Adams Family. He's

1458
01:27:29.800 --> 01:27:32.880
also known for playing the robot Tweaky, who we feature

1459
01:27:32.960 --> 01:27:36.239
in our opening credits on the science fiction series Buck

1460
01:27:36.319 --> 01:27:39.600
Rogers in the twenty fifth century. Felix also just did

1461
01:27:39.680 --> 01:27:42.520
a ton of stunt work stunts for Battle of the

1462
01:27:42.560 --> 01:27:47.600
Planet of the Apes, The Towering Inferno, The hennenberg Et Poltergeist,

1463
01:27:47.720 --> 01:27:50.840
Indiana Jones of the Temple of Doom. The credits just

1464
01:27:50.960 --> 01:27:53.520
keep on coming. So lost back in twenty twenty one,

1465
01:27:53.600 --> 01:27:55.920
at the age of eighty four years old, Felix Anthony

1466
01:27:55.960 --> 01:27:59.199
Sela was a real gem and we do miss your

1467
01:27:59.239 --> 01:28:04.000
contributions Star Trek and Beyond. Happy birthday, Felix, Happy birthday.

1468
01:28:03.720 --> 01:28:04.760
To ray Bolger.

1469
01:28:05.439 --> 01:28:08.760
And you say, but Eric ray Bolger was never on

1470
01:28:08.880 --> 01:28:11.800
Star Trek. Yes, but that's because we go beyond right.

1471
01:28:12.000 --> 01:28:15.399
Born in nineteen oh four, Why would we possibly feature

1472
01:28:15.439 --> 01:28:18.319
this guy? Well, Like Gene Kelly, he was a song

1473
01:28:18.399 --> 01:28:20.840
and dance man as well as an actor. He was

1474
01:28:20.920 --> 01:28:24.000
signed to a contract with MGM and his very first

1475
01:28:24.159 --> 01:28:28.640
role was as himself in The Great Zigfield from nineteen

1476
01:28:28.760 --> 01:28:31.039
thirty six. No kidding, If you haven't seen that movie,

1477
01:28:31.479 --> 01:28:33.880
you should go check it out. I've seen it. In

1478
01:28:34.000 --> 01:28:37.039
nineteen fifty three, he turned television and received his own

1479
01:28:37.199 --> 01:28:41.199
sitcom called Where's Raymond would later changed to the name

1480
01:28:41.359 --> 01:28:45.119
of The Ray Bolger Show. He also played Vector in

1481
01:28:45.159 --> 01:28:50.760
the original Battlestar Galactica television series episode Greetings from Earth

1482
01:28:50.840 --> 01:28:54.000
from nineteen seventy nine. We've got some pictures here, but

1483
01:28:54.119 --> 01:28:57.199
of course he's best known in his role as the

1484
01:28:57.479 --> 01:29:02.560
MGM movie star. Can I say star, I love I

1485
01:29:02.560 --> 01:29:05.239
always love the Scarecrow, of course, was in The Wizard

1486
01:29:05.279 --> 01:29:09.199
of Oz from nineteen thirty nine playing the Scarecrow. What

1487
01:29:09.359 --> 01:29:11.760
a great actor, what a great role. Just the way

1488
01:29:11.880 --> 01:29:14.159
that he plays that character and kind of the physical

1489
01:29:14.279 --> 01:29:16.800
comedy that goes along with it is so subtle but

1490
01:29:16.960 --> 01:29:19.680
so amazing to me. So Ray Bolger a real gem

1491
01:29:19.800 --> 01:29:23.479
of screen and stage. Happy birthday to him. Happy birthday

1492
01:29:23.479 --> 01:29:26.920
as well to Chursy Ali, the American actress and spokesmodel

1493
01:29:27.000 --> 01:29:29.720
from which Tauk Kansas, who made her feature film debut

1494
01:29:29.840 --> 01:29:33.319
playing Savag in Star Trek two, The Wrath of Khn.

1495
01:29:34.079 --> 01:29:36.800
For her performance in this film, Ali was nominated for

1496
01:29:36.920 --> 01:29:40.199
a Saturn Award by the Academy of Science Fiction, Fantasy

1497
01:29:40.359 --> 01:29:43.520
and Horror Films. She was actually offered the chance to

1498
01:29:43.640 --> 01:29:46.399
reprise that role in Star Trek Tree three, The Search

1499
01:29:46.479 --> 01:29:50.359
for Spock, but disagreements over her payscale led to an

1500
01:29:50.439 --> 01:29:54.520
intensive recasting search, which gave us Robin Curtis, who is

1501
01:29:54.600 --> 01:29:56.199
a friend of the show. She has been on the

1502
01:29:56.239 --> 01:29:58.399
podcast Is it more than once?

1503
01:29:58.520 --> 01:29:58.720
Jim?

1504
01:29:58.760 --> 01:29:59.079
I don't know.

1505
01:29:59.680 --> 01:30:02.760
I just remember his being an absolutely delightful guest to

1506
01:30:02.880 --> 01:30:05.920
have on the show. My personal favorites Savac, but Christy

1507
01:30:06.000 --> 01:30:08.600
Ali also very awesome. Of course, we know her from

1508
01:30:08.680 --> 01:30:12.920
being on Cheers and various other things such as starring

1509
01:30:13.039 --> 01:30:18.000
as Veronica Chase on the NBC sitcom Veronica's Closet, so

1510
01:30:18.159 --> 01:30:22.039
lots of stuff in her portfolio. Happy birthday to Christy Ali.

1511
01:30:22.159 --> 01:30:24.800
We lost her also just back in twenty twenty two

1512
01:30:24.840 --> 01:30:28.479
at the age of seventy one years old. Happy birthday

1513
01:30:28.520 --> 01:30:31.920
to Barry Francis Jenner, the actor who played Admiral William

1514
01:30:32.000 --> 01:30:34.039
Ross on Deep Space nine six and seven.

1515
01:30:34.159 --> 01:30:34.600
Seasons.

1516
01:30:35.079 --> 01:30:37.439
He also voiced Admiral Ross in the video game Star

1517
01:30:37.520 --> 01:30:41.800
Trek Deep Space nine Dominion Wars. He made a living

1518
01:30:42.119 --> 01:30:44.680
performing on television. I mean you look all over the place.

1519
01:30:44.720 --> 01:30:49.960
You're talking guest roles here and there, including starring roles

1520
01:30:50.399 --> 01:30:53.479
like his recurring role as police Lieutenant Lou Martog on

1521
01:30:53.560 --> 01:30:54.840
the sitcom Family Matters.

1522
01:30:55.319 --> 01:30:57.439
He played this role for three years.

1523
01:30:58.000 --> 01:31:00.880
We absolutely knowed and love and Jim, you always ask

1524
01:31:00.960 --> 01:31:03.119
me about admirals, and you say, Eric, is it a

1525
01:31:03.159 --> 01:31:05.920
good admiral or admiral? And let me just say that

1526
01:31:06.079 --> 01:31:10.479
Admiral Ross, for me is one of the best. This

1527
01:31:10.680 --> 01:31:14.279
was a man who was actually driven by fear a

1528
01:31:14.359 --> 01:31:17.039
little bit right. Dominion War, you got the shape changers,

1529
01:31:17.079 --> 01:31:20.279
you got all kinds of crazy stuff going on. But

1530
01:31:20.520 --> 01:31:23.439
he doesn't make rash decisions. Somehow He's in a super

1531
01:31:23.560 --> 01:31:28.159
duper stressful situation, but he makes calculated, well thought out decisions.

1532
01:31:28.199 --> 01:31:31.359
He hunkered down, he trusted people around them, trusted the

1533
01:31:31.399 --> 01:31:34.000
council he was given, and he got the job done.

1534
01:31:34.079 --> 01:31:38.479
So literally, Admiral Ross is probably my favorite starfleet admiral,

1535
01:31:38.600 --> 01:31:41.319
or at least top five of my favorite star fleet

1536
01:31:41.359 --> 01:31:45.279
admirals of all time. Thank you Barry Francis Jenner for

1537
01:31:45.439 --> 01:31:48.600
being an awesome Admiral Ross, among many many other things.

1538
01:31:48.680 --> 01:31:50.760
Lost back in twenty sixteen at the age of seventy

1539
01:31:50.800 --> 01:31:54.760
five years old. Happy birthdays well to Carl Weathers. And

1540
01:31:54.840 --> 01:31:57.880
you say, Eric, but Carl Weathers wasn't on Star Trek, Well,

1541
01:31:58.159 --> 01:32:02.479
I know it's okay, going beyond once again. He of course,

1542
01:32:02.600 --> 01:32:06.680
is an actor, director, and former professional football player who

1543
01:32:06.840 --> 01:32:12.399
appears as Grief Karga in the Star Wars series The Mandalorian,

1544
01:32:12.520 --> 01:32:14.720
one of the best out there. He's also, of course

1545
01:32:14.840 --> 01:32:17.960
known for his work in Predator as Al Dylan and

1546
01:32:18.119 --> 01:32:22.600
in the Rocky series as Apollo Creed. No question, Carl

1547
01:32:22.640 --> 01:32:24.880
Weathers has so many credits to his name that we

1548
01:32:24.960 --> 01:32:26.680
have no time to talk about them right now, but

1549
01:32:26.840 --> 01:32:29.800
just suffice to say that we lost him about a

1550
01:32:29.880 --> 01:32:34.479
year ago February first, just last, sorry, two years ago,

1551
01:32:34.800 --> 01:32:38.560
twenty twenty four is when we lost him, and I

1552
01:32:38.640 --> 01:32:41.359
think we miss him. I think we all love that personality,

1553
01:32:41.439 --> 01:32:45.920
that face, his amazing physique. So Carl Weathers, thank you

1554
01:32:46.000 --> 01:32:49.800
so much for your contributions to this world, not Star Trek,

1555
01:32:50.159 --> 01:32:53.079
but Star Wars and Beyond and last but not least

1556
01:32:53.119 --> 01:32:55.880
I would like to wish happy birthday to Joe Anne Lynnville,

1557
01:32:55.960 --> 01:33:00.399
the actress who played the female Romulin commander who in

1558
01:33:00.600 --> 01:33:05.760
some areas has a name but in others doesn't anyway.

1559
01:33:05.840 --> 01:33:08.600
In the original series, she was in the third season

1560
01:33:08.680 --> 01:33:12.800
episode The Enterprise Incident Lynnville. Lynnville was, of course, the

1561
01:33:12.880 --> 01:33:16.039
first actress to play a female Romulin in the Star

1562
01:33:16.159 --> 01:33:20.760
Trek franchise, and for the Next Generation six season episode

1563
01:33:20.800 --> 01:33:25.359
Face of the Enemy, writer Naren Shankar suggested that Lynnville

1564
01:33:25.439 --> 01:33:29.079
reprise her role as the Romulin Commander, but unfortunately she

1565
01:33:29.319 --> 01:33:31.439
was not available. Wouldn't that have been cool to see

1566
01:33:31.479 --> 01:33:33.319
her in the next Generation? Oh my gosh, I can't

1567
01:33:33.359 --> 01:33:36.840
believe we didn't get that. She did begin her acting

1568
01:33:36.920 --> 01:33:41.399
career early in the nineteen fifties. It included a lot

1569
01:33:41.439 --> 01:33:45.960
of small roles in feature films, including playing Burt Lancaster's

1570
01:33:46.000 --> 01:33:51.119
wife in the nineteen seventy three action thriller Scorpio. One

1571
01:33:51.319 --> 01:33:55.399
really cool thing is that the actress Amy Ridell, who

1572
01:33:55.520 --> 01:33:58.319
of course is the daughter of Joanne Linnville, later got

1573
01:33:58.399 --> 01:34:02.000
to reprise her mother's role as the Romilly and kempanander

1574
01:34:02.079 --> 01:34:05.039
for the Fans series Star Trek continues in the two

1575
01:34:05.119 --> 01:34:09.640
part finale to Boldly Go. Lynnville herself participated in the

1576
01:34:09.720 --> 01:34:14.319
fan audio drama Starship Excelsior for the fiftieth anniversary special

1577
01:34:14.840 --> 01:34:20.560
Tomorrow's Excelsior, reprising her role as the Romailan Commander. Fantastic actress.

1578
01:34:21.119 --> 01:34:24.199
What a memorable role. Thank you so much to Joanne

1579
01:34:24.239 --> 01:34:26.840
Lynnville for your contributions to Star Trek and Beyond and

1580
01:34:26.920 --> 01:34:30.279
that guys does it for our remembrances this week. So

1581
01:34:30.520 --> 01:34:35.119
I will pass our flaming birthday candle on to Charles.

1582
01:34:36.279 --> 01:34:40.119
Thank you, Eric DEVI excuse me, this looks like these

1583
01:34:40.199 --> 01:34:43.239
next Yeah, I got.

1584
01:34:43.840 --> 01:34:47.479
Sorry, it's on me this time. Okay, I just got

1585
01:34:47.560 --> 01:34:50.720
three birthdays on it. Let's start at A Happy birthday

1586
01:34:50.760 --> 01:34:55.479
is Sam Richardson, actress of Boyd Vendom and Star Trek

1587
01:34:55.560 --> 01:34:59.760
Lower Decks first and third season episodes Tempa Edict and

1588
01:34:59.880 --> 01:35:03.600
The Stars at Night. He also played Quasi in Star

1589
01:35:03.760 --> 01:35:10.760
Trek Section thirty one. Happy Birthday to Omar Hardwicke, actress

1590
01:35:10.800 --> 01:35:16.960
that played Hack Sar in Star Trek Section thirty one,

1591
01:35:19.000 --> 01:35:20.760
Happy Birthday to Andrea.

1592
01:35:20.479 --> 01:35:24.600
Martin is an Emmy Award winning and Tony Award winning.

1593
01:35:24.439 --> 01:35:29.119
Address comedian, voice, actress, and writer who originally role the

1594
01:35:29.279 --> 01:35:33.920
role of Isaka in Star Trek d Space nine Thursdays

1595
01:35:33.920 --> 01:35:39.279
in the episode Family Business, Now Fest.

1596
01:35:41.319 --> 01:35:44.640
And Now a PLAUSI faming flaming the candle over to Paul.

1597
01:35:48.199 --> 01:35:51.600
Thank you, Charles, appreciate that friend. Okay, I got a

1598
01:35:51.920 --> 01:35:55.720
gem here for your friends. Four January tenth. Is the

1599
01:35:55.960 --> 01:36:02.880
legendary William Sanderson. Okay, known primarily well, he's been in everything.

1600
01:36:02.920 --> 01:36:05.279
He's one of those faces that you just see in everything.

1601
01:36:05.319 --> 01:36:07.560
But I think with the reason he of course is

1602
01:36:08.279 --> 01:36:11.359
coming across our transom here is because this is the

1603
01:36:11.439 --> 01:36:16.680
guy in Blade Runner who played legendary J. F. Sebastian. Right,

1604
01:36:17.239 --> 01:36:20.239
they're toys. My friends are toys. I made them right.

1605
01:36:20.359 --> 01:36:23.840
I mean, he's just phenomenal, right, amazing character. But he's

1606
01:36:23.920 --> 01:36:26.560
been in everything. He's been in True Blood, he's been

1607
01:36:26.640 --> 01:36:31.119
in the legendary television series Deadwood as Eb Farnham. I mean,

1608
01:36:31.279 --> 01:36:34.359
the guy is just all over the place and a phenomenal,

1609
01:36:35.359 --> 01:36:39.600
poignant character actor, absolutely just tremendous work anytime you see him. So,

1610
01:36:39.720 --> 01:36:42.680
William Sanderson, you are a legend. He was also in

1611
01:36:42.760 --> 01:36:46.199
the television series New Heart that sequel series for quite

1612
01:36:46.239 --> 01:36:49.479
a while True Blood. I think I mentioned and also

1613
01:36:50.119 --> 01:36:53.359
we heard earlier from our wonderful guest Babylon Five and

1614
01:36:53.800 --> 01:36:57.680
William Sanderson was a Bad Five veteran as well, So

1615
01:36:57.920 --> 01:37:01.039
absolutely phenomenal to be able to wish you a happy birthday, sir.

1616
01:37:02.279 --> 01:37:05.680
Happy birthday goes out to Janet Kidder, actress who played

1617
01:37:05.720 --> 01:37:09.199
Oh Cyril in the third season of Star Trek Discovery,

1618
01:37:09.880 --> 01:37:13.720
mixing it up with that Oriyan nonsense and Shenanigan's there Ohsira.

1619
01:37:13.960 --> 01:37:17.640
Kind of a dangerous wild card, as I recall. So,

1620
01:37:18.000 --> 01:37:21.000
Janet Kidder, happy birthday. Will we ever see your character again?

1621
01:37:21.079 --> 01:37:23.640
Who can say? In the world of Star Trek, where

1622
01:37:23.640 --> 01:37:26.760
people have agents who keep calling, keep getting hired, so

1623
01:37:26.800 --> 01:37:31.720
you never know and super I feel very fortunate, indeed

1624
01:37:31.800 --> 01:37:33.800
to be able to wish happy birthday to this next

1625
01:37:33.920 --> 01:37:38.760
individual who I am a just colossal fan of way underrated,

1626
01:37:39.319 --> 01:37:47.039
the absolutely amazing Michelle Forbes. Okay, of course in Star Trek.

1627
01:37:47.399 --> 01:37:50.359
Let's just need it serious. Okay, she originated the role

1628
01:37:50.439 --> 01:37:55.399
of rol Laren ba Joran on Next Gen and then

1629
01:37:55.520 --> 01:37:58.479
also came back to do the role again on Picard.

1630
01:37:58.960 --> 01:38:03.359
But what incredible character for the first time somebody was

1631
01:38:03.359 --> 01:38:06.560
a little bit like not the squeaky clean, everything's awesome

1632
01:38:06.720 --> 01:38:08.680
on Star Trek. I mean they brought her in as

1633
01:38:08.760 --> 01:38:11.880
a kind of a dar horse, right, somebody who really

1634
01:38:11.960 --> 01:38:14.199
had problems and had a past and a bit of

1635
01:38:14.279 --> 01:38:17.119
a chip on her shoulder, and just became one of

1636
01:38:17.119 --> 01:38:21.399
the most incredibly fascinating characters in all of Star Trek.

1637
01:38:21.680 --> 01:38:27.000
I think, very human and just tremendous. Not content to

1638
01:38:27.079 --> 01:38:32.800
stay out of science fiction, Michelle Forbes is easily seen

1639
01:38:33.439 --> 01:38:36.560
in just dozens of different things. Of course, for me,

1640
01:38:37.199 --> 01:38:44.439
the revamped Battlestar Galactica, where she played rather a darkly

1641
01:38:44.920 --> 01:38:48.439
character Admiral Helena Kine. A bit of a nemesis there

1642
01:38:48.640 --> 01:38:53.960
with who not on what I would go morally ambiguous

1643
01:38:54.800 --> 01:38:59.079
perspective if you will, but absolutely amazing work from her

1644
01:38:59.199 --> 01:39:02.560
as commander of the I'll start pegasust. She was on

1645
01:39:02.680 --> 01:39:06.079
True Blood, just like William Sanderson was, Hunger Games, Mocking Jay,

1646
01:39:06.840 --> 01:39:10.560
John Carpenter's Escape from La Star Trek, Picard where she

1647
01:39:10.680 --> 01:39:15.560
reprised Roe Larn's role, Grey's Anatomy in Everything Right, and

1648
01:39:16.199 --> 01:39:18.079
also a really well done movie that a lot of

1649
01:39:18.119 --> 01:39:22.479
people missed out on with David company called California, California

1650
01:39:22.520 --> 01:39:25.880
with a K if you've never checked that out. Juliet

1651
01:39:26.039 --> 01:39:28.479
Lewis is in it along with Brent Pitt. It's really

1652
01:39:28.840 --> 01:39:34.439
a great little thriller, powered dynamically by Michelle Forbes, so

1653
01:39:34.560 --> 01:39:37.279
a real powerhouse and never gets the amount of attention

1654
01:39:37.439 --> 01:39:40.920
I think that she deserves. She's just an ace all

1655
01:39:41.000 --> 01:39:44.239
the way. That's what I've got. Let's pass that birthday Bazooka.

1656
01:39:44.319 --> 01:39:45.399
Who were to Uncle Jim.

1657
01:39:47.359 --> 01:39:49.760
I thank you so much, Paul. I've only had two

1658
01:39:49.920 --> 01:39:52.279
for you guys this week. First of all, we want

1659
01:39:52.319 --> 01:39:56.239
to say happy birthday to Sherman Augustus, former NFL player

1660
01:39:56.279 --> 01:40:00.600
who played ok Here we Go, Hidge Sta and Voyager

1661
01:40:00.680 --> 01:40:04.239
six season episode Barge of the Dead. Best known for

1662
01:40:04.319 --> 01:40:07.239
his roles is Nathaniel Moon in the AMC series Into

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01:40:07.279 --> 01:40:11.279
the Badlands and Lieutenant Colonel Jack Sullivan and season four

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01:40:11.319 --> 01:40:15.960
and five of Stranger Things. Happy birthday and Kapa to

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01:40:16.159 --> 01:40:22.319
Sherman Augustus and last on my list, Klingon Surprise he

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01:40:22.399 --> 01:40:25.279
guys shot. We want to say happy birthday apply to

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01:40:25.439 --> 01:40:29.600
Charlie brill Yackt, who played Arn Darvin and COS second

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01:40:29.640 --> 01:40:32.840
season episode The Trouble with Triples, and he reprised that

1669
01:40:33.000 --> 01:40:37.560
role in the DS nine fifth season episode Trials and Tribulations,

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01:40:37.600 --> 01:40:40.960
and there he is on the screen, Happy birthday, capplot

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01:40:41.039 --> 01:40:42.119
to Charlie Brill.

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01:40:46.119 --> 01:40:50.399
I know, spoiler alerts.

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01:40:52.279 --> 01:40:53.600
If you haven't seen the episode.

1674
01:40:53.760 --> 01:40:58.520
Yeah, uncle Jim, why don't you ask Margaret what her

1675
01:40:58.680 --> 01:41:01.039
favorite Start Trek movie is?

1676
01:41:03.119 --> 01:41:03.439
We are?

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01:41:04.000 --> 01:41:04.439
We are.

1678
01:41:08.680 --> 01:41:11.000
Because because.

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01:41:12.439 --> 01:41:15.640
You notice it's almost you know, it's almost nine fifteen,

1680
01:41:15.840 --> 01:41:17.600
and you didn't mention it once.

1681
01:41:19.520 --> 01:41:23.159
Well, when we were talking about life being a dream,

1682
01:41:23.199 --> 01:41:25.840
I almost threw it in there, but I decided not to.

1683
01:41:28.399 --> 01:41:31.359
My favorite Star Trek movie is Star Trek The Final

1684
01:41:31.439 --> 01:41:31.920
Front here.

1685
01:41:32.600 --> 01:41:35.960
So a lot of people don't like it, and he

1686
01:41:36.640 --> 01:41:39.760
will find a way to bring it into almost any conversation.

1687
01:41:40.079 --> 01:41:40.840
So that's why.

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01:41:42.520 --> 01:41:43.000
It's great.

1689
01:41:43.560 --> 01:41:43.720
Yeh.

1690
01:41:44.760 --> 01:41:47.079
Jim will be like, I can't open this can of beans.

1691
01:41:47.199 --> 01:41:54.279
That reminds me of It's literally like that often kind

1692
01:41:54.319 --> 01:41:57.760
of a thing, the car start that reminds me Started five.

1693
01:41:59.840 --> 01:42:03.159
My dog and catter fighting that reminds me of Star Trek,

1694
01:42:04.079 --> 01:42:04.439
Star Trek.

1695
01:42:07.199 --> 01:42:09.920
Do you have a favorite Star Trek movie?

1696
01:42:10.920 --> 01:42:11.079
You know?

1697
01:42:11.239 --> 01:42:15.000
I tend to bring out Star Trek first contact because

1698
01:42:15.199 --> 01:42:20.439
the discussion of the Phoenix built by Zepp from Concorde

1699
01:42:21.079 --> 01:42:23.399
and that they've only ever seen in at the Smithsonian,

1700
01:42:23.840 --> 01:42:27.439
and I down the Math and I will probably be

1701
01:42:27.600 --> 01:42:30.039
long retired, but maybe somebody can wheel me in in

1702
01:42:30.119 --> 01:42:31.720
the back and I'll be there when it gets there.

1703
01:42:32.119 --> 01:42:32.359
Nice.

1704
01:42:33.720 --> 01:42:39.880
Yeah, she did talk about Michelle Nichols, who did a

1705
01:42:39.960 --> 01:42:46.000
great fan dance at Start Trek five. So all right,

1706
01:42:46.119 --> 01:42:52.760
well guys, guess what it is, timon go watch Starfleet Academy. Yeah,

1707
01:42:53.760 --> 01:42:55.760
so you know, I just want to say thank you

1708
01:42:55.880 --> 01:42:57.920
so much to you Margaret for hanging out and Shrek

1709
01:42:57.960 --> 01:43:00.159
talking with us and putting up with us tonight. Thank

1710
01:43:00.199 --> 01:43:04.239
you so so much taking time on your busy schedule

1711
01:43:04.359 --> 01:43:05.239
for TK talks.

1712
01:43:05.600 --> 01:43:07.640
Great group, Thanks so much for the conversation.

1713
01:43:08.880 --> 01:43:10.840
And of course, thank you so much you Paul for

1714
01:43:10.920 --> 01:43:12.800
hanging out and Threk talking with us and I as well.

1715
01:43:12.840 --> 01:43:13.399
Thank you, Paul.

1716
01:43:14.279 --> 01:43:16.680
What a treat. I can't imagine having ever missed this.

1717
01:43:16.880 --> 01:43:20.920
This is like one of the legendary episode in the podcast.

1718
01:43:21.039 --> 01:43:24.119
I mean, what a what an absolute privilege to get

1719
01:43:24.159 --> 01:43:27.239
to have some time with Margaret tonight. Wonderful. I'm just

1720
01:43:27.880 --> 01:43:30.880
grateful that people like her out there preserving history. You know,

1721
01:43:31.920 --> 01:43:32.479
we need it.

1722
01:43:36.840 --> 01:43:40.359
A good year for trek talking and thank you so

1723
01:43:40.479 --> 01:43:41.680
much for hanging out.

1724
01:43:42.720 --> 01:43:46.119
Thank you so much, Eric, absolutely, thank you so much

1725
01:43:46.199 --> 01:43:49.159
Margaret for joining us and as Paul said, putting up

1726
01:43:49.199 --> 01:43:51.359
with us. You ruled right with the humor, so I

1727
01:43:51.439 --> 01:43:51.680
loved it.

1728
01:43:51.760 --> 01:43:52.439
It was a good time.

1729
01:43:55.760 --> 01:43:57.960
And thank you so much to you for hanging out

1730
01:43:58.000 --> 01:43:58.920
and trunk talking with.

1731
01:43:59.000 --> 01:44:03.600
Us has been highlight of my day, especially since you

1732
01:44:03.680 --> 01:44:07.880
know we've had that connection with the conversations on the

1733
01:44:08.000 --> 01:44:12.239
plurality of world. So Margaret, that's so that just blows

1734
01:44:12.319 --> 01:44:15.600
my mind that you you know, we are working on that.

1735
01:44:15.840 --> 01:44:16.920
So hope you enjoy it.

1736
01:44:17.760 --> 01:44:21.840
And yeah, just to see what happened some three hundred

1737
01:44:21.920 --> 01:44:27.000
years ago, really amazing. Thank it is all right. Thank

1738
01:44:27.079 --> 01:44:31.119
you so much, and thank you Charles.

1739
01:44:30.800 --> 01:44:32.880
For hanging out and struck talking with us. Thank you

1740
01:44:32.960 --> 01:44:33.239
so much.

1741
01:44:33.319 --> 01:44:37.079
Jol Oh, thank you bringing back memories of twenty sixteen

1742
01:44:37.159 --> 01:44:40.920
and my visit to the visit to the museum and

1743
01:44:41.079 --> 01:44:42.720
all the great stories she's got.

1744
01:44:43.159 --> 01:44:43.520
Thank you.

1745
01:44:47.199 --> 01:44:49.680
And last but not least, thank you to David for

1746
01:44:49.760 --> 01:44:53.600
putting together these awesome slide shows the birthdays and all

1747
01:44:53.640 --> 01:44:55.920
the work you do on the podcast. Thank you so much, David,

1748
01:44:56.560 --> 01:44:56.960
very welcome.

1749
01:44:57.039 --> 01:44:58.479
This has been really funny, and I just want to

1750
01:44:58.520 --> 01:45:01.399
stay to Live Long and Prosper.

1751
01:45:04.239 --> 01:45:07.520
And of course i'm your most excellent host, Uncle Jim saying,

1752
01:45:07.560 --> 01:45:11.359
everybody please stay safe and be good to each other.

1753
01:45:11.760 --> 01:45:16.600
Ailing frequencies are closed. Live Long and Prosper. Everybody, good night,

1754
01:45:18.399 --> 01:45:20.800
good night all, Live Long and Prosper.

1755
01:45:20.920 --> 01:45:26.680
I'm ready for departure. Some problem RCA.

1756
01:45:27.239 --> 01:45:29.359
I'm just hoping this isn't the usual way our missions

1757
01:45:29.359 --> 01:45:29.600
will go.

1758
01:45:29.760 --> 01:45:31.479
Said, Oh, no, number one.

1759
01:45:32.600 --> 01:45:39.079
I'm sure most will be much more interesting. Let's see

1760
01:45:39.119 --> 01:45:57.239
what's out there. Engage. Okay, that's it, guys,