Jan. 4, 2026

Episode 666- Streaming VS Broadcast TV- What's Best for Star Trek?

Episode 666- Streaming VS Broadcast TV- What's Best for Star Trek?
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In this conversation, Uncle Jim and the cohosts discuss the evolution of Star Trek from its broadcast origins to its current streaming model. They explore the differences in production, storytelling, and audience engagement between the two formats. The conversation delves into the impact of technology, the importance of character development, and the challenges of maintaining viewer interest in a rapidly changing media landscape. The hosts also touch on the role of AI in content creation and the economics of streaming services, concluding with thoughts on the future of Star Trek and television as a whole. Let's See What's Out There...ENGAGE!
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Us week Truk is Around the Globe a special truck

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talking episode. It is currently Saturday afternoon street the Eastern

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Standard Time, and I'm here with my.

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Good friend David. He's on Miracle. What are you doing today, David?

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I'm tired. I spent a lot of time with family

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and I'm kind of glad to be home. But you know,

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it's been fun.

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It's it's been a long It's we had Christmas, we

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had Thanksgiving, we had New Year's Jay wedding. We had

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a lot of stuff primmed in the last couple of

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weeks here, But Thursday we'll be back to normal. We'll

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be back to our Truk talking Thursday, and we're going

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to be talking about Lower Decks comic Corner issue eight

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and nine. I believe it is.

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I think sure, yes, yeah.

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Issue eight nine of Star Trek Lower Decks id W

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comic book series. But I also have with us. I

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have my good friend Jay Dog and Ellen, and they're

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out in Schenectady, New York. How are you guys doing today?

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We're alive.

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So today I thought what we would be talking about

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a little bit was a Jay Dog and I were

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having this little conversation I think it was yesterday or

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the day before about Star Trek and the difference is

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between streaming and broadcast television. And you know, you can't

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produce things the same way for streaming as you do

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for broadcasts. There are different monsters, you know, they they

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require different things, and they're produced with different things, you know,

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different gameals basically, So that's what I wanted to talk about.

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So back in the in the early days when cos

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was was created, all they had was network television so

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we had CBS, NBC eight and public broadcasting. So Star

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Trek was created with four separate scenes, four separate acts,

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and in between each act they pile in the commercials

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and the shows were roughly forty five to you know,

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maybe fifty minutes and the rest was commercials. And that's

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how they made all their money. And that worked fine,

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you know, back in the sixties, that was great. And

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then TG comes along in the eighties and they're no

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longer on broadcast, but now they're doing what they call syndication.

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And that's where networks would bid on the right to

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be able to show them the next generation and they

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would pay paramoon x amount of dollars to show the series,

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and then the network, the stations themselves would go out

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and sell the commercials to the promoters in order to

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pay back what they paid to get the show. And

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that is how Star Trek was done through TNG and

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ds N and Voyager and Enterprise Hope and I forgot

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start for the animated series. Let's not forget that Saturday

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Morning cartoon. And that's how Star Trek thrive on advertisers

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paying money to put their commercials on, doing sketchlets to

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start trek fans like ust would see them. Well, when

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streaming came along, that whole idea went right out the window.

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And that's no longer the way things work now. The

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way they work is when they stream a show, they

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get what they call minutes they get They get paid

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per minute, and so the longer that you watch the show,

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the more money that they make. It's no longer based

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on advertising in the Nielsen ratings, it's how many minutes

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that particular show was tuned in. So that's how they

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do things now versus how they did things before. And

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a lot of people are still confused about that because

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I'll hear idiots on the Facebook board saying all the

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time about all the ratings and Nielsen ratings. It's not

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the way things work anymore. It's different. So, you know,

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Paramount Plus or whatever the streaming network is, they want

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you to subscribe, They want your subscription money. Once they

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have your subscription money, they want your eyes on the

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screen and they monitor how many minutes each show is watched,

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and that's how they determine the popularity of the show.

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So that's where we are now. And I wanted to

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dive write in and talk about what you guys think

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about the way it starts right, was produced like in

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the eighties versus how it's done today.

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So what do you think, David, Oh, yeah, it's definitely changed.

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I think a lot of the things you have to

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do with technology and where they have been pumping out

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all the types of stuff. I mean, I remember the

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days when we never even had show phones, and now

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everybody seems to have one, and it's just the idea

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that technology coming into play. We have to figure out

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new ways to entertain ourselves in a way. But at

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the same time, it's like, I'm not really sure if

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this is the right way to go. I would like

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it to go back from the eighties how they did it.

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I would like for it to you know, view off

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of what the Master is doing. It would be kind

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of interesting to see how they make a new Star

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Trek show based off of like like we've always talked

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before on the show. You know, it's not focused on

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the Federation, but more like focus on a different alien

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race or something and just kind of like go through

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and expand Star Trek to the point where it's like

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it's exploring new avenues and all this stuff. And so

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if they could come up with like some form of

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way to film differently like they used to do back

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in the day. Then I don't know how possible that

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is to achieve, but I think technology is probably to

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culporate with this whole thing in the way that they

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are presenting the new way of doing things and streaming. Yeah,

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it's fun. It's fun to not being able to like

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go out into the snow and go to the video store,

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although I missed those two. But the idea is, you know,

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being at home being able to have it stream to you.

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Is it's technology? So to me, I think I think

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that's just what it boils down to. I can't really

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think of any other words for it, but yeah, I

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think that's how I would put it.

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Anyway else. Yeah, so yeah, that's that's. How about you

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and Jay Dog? What do you and how I think

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about the whole stream versus podcast suit?

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Ellen is fighting to get ryfus.

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Who does paramount know, like how many people that are

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subscribing are of a certain age group, population? Gender? You know,

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how do they know what audience they're appealing to doing

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it this way?

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If this is.

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Under a name that you're not sure what age group

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would gender you know, I don't get how they know

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where their audience or their.

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Audiences well, I don't. I don't think that they specifically

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Like if I'm watching Star Trek at home here and

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Karen and Jamie are watching it with me, I don't

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think they specifically know. Oh, well, see Karen's fifty nine

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and she's watching it, Jim's fifty nine and he's watching it,

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and their daughter James thirty two and she's watching it too.

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I think all they care about is they got my subscription,

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so they got my Life of the ninety nine, so

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they got their money, and that it's streaming in my

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in my house for forty eight minutes, and that's that's

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the number they're looking at. How many minutes was my

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account watching Star Trek versus watching you know, other shows

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that they have, and that's how they determine, you know,

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the popularity of a show is how many minutes it's watched,

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which which brings me to my next question, which Jerry

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and I talked about briefly, is that you know, back

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in the day when Star Trek came out, they would

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have the premiere movie, the pilot movie like Encounter a

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Far Point or the Emissary or Broken Bow, and generally

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this would be like a two hour premiere movie. And

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with streaming, they're not doing that anymore. You're gonna see

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strange new work on that strange New world stuffleet Academy

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on Thursday night, and rather than giving us a two

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hour premiere, they're going to drop episode one and then

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follow that up with episode two. And so you know,

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you can watch episode one and turn it off and

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come back and watch it later whatever, But it's not

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going to be one continuous two hour movie like most

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other pilots are. And that's that I think is a

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big mistake when it comes to streaming, because they want

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your eyes glued to the TV for the for those

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full minutes, and they're just not writing Star Trek to

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be like that, you know, would you guys are great.

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Yes, they're not looking to appeal to a certain audience

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this way. They're hoping that you just jump on board

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and watch the minutes, as you're saying, but that doesn't

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give them a clue about what kind of writing will

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appeal to people.

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And well, ever since the very beginning of Star Trek

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Star Trek, the original series, two pilots right Ron Berry

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didn't have what he wanted from the very beginning, right,

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things changed with the cage the Menagerie, right, whether it

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was the characters having to tweak it, etc. And paramount

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saying about with Jeffrey Hunter, we think we needed more,

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et cetera. So all of them have had on Well,

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it was not network television because it was after the

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original series and the animated episodes. It was all the

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S word syndicated, right, next Gen, DS nine, Voyager, Enterprise,

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it was all syndicated or upn you know. But they

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all had a pilot, right, which I mean I loved

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the pilot from all of them, you know at Enterprise too.

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I mean you finally got to see stuff, so that

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was great. The thing is that by you know, when

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they started out in the sixties, they it was fifty

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minutes or whatever, right, I think it was by the eighties,

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not just Starter but television itself, that shows got to

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be like forty five minutes late mid to late eighties,

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forty three to forty five minutes. And Ellen and I

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were talking, she loves the General Hospital TV soap, right,

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believe it or not, we counted actual program time of

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the soap opera it's not even forty five minutes. The

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things like what the thirty minutes thirty eight minutes range

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they fit. They pump it in and pump it and

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stoop it and put as many commercials as they can

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into the thing. So the thing is that, yeah, there

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is an opportunity for streaming to do something. So is

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it then why don't we take some of the benefits

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from when it was on, send it in syndication broadcast

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and throw that in when it applies with streaming. I mean,

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can't we learn the lessons from that and throw it

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into streaming so that you give a good introduction to

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the thing. And as a matter of fact, I was

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reading with Enterprise for the pilot people Doug Drexler. It

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was say, wow, when we worked in it, it was

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like almost like a movie because we had over two

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hundred things of special effects. Over two hundred. It's like,

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holy crap. I mean it's like, right, you don't expect that,

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like with your Run of the Militia and it's like

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science fiction Star Trek. You have to do stuff from scratch.

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So it's like they need to know this, right, they

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need to know let's make the best of all these

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worlds then, but how much.

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Of a story can you tell over ten episodes for

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a season? How much care to development can you do

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with just ten episodes for each season? It really cuts down.

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I'm reaching an audi and so I'm grabbing people to

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be attracted to the concepts of what they're doing.

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Well, I think that you know, back in the eighties

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and the nineties, we got twenty six episodes, so we

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got we got a lot of wasted episodes like Spock's

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Brain and Subrosa with Beverly falling in love with a

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candle and you know, all this crazy stuff. So I

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think there was a lot of excess there with the

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twenty six episodes. But I think that fans also don't

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get the opportunity to identify with these characters as much

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with only ten episodes. That being said, I think shows

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like True Blood, for instance, and Game of Throne have

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proven that a streaming series can be extra extremely successful

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and popular if it's done the right way. And one

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of the things that True Blood always did, if you

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guys ever watched True Blood, every episode ended on a cliphanger,

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so like, you know, the main character would like fall

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off a bridge that to be the end of the

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episode and then you got to watch next week and

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to find out what happened, and every episode would end

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that way is to make you come back and watch

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the next one. And with Game of Thrones, those episodes.

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that are less than an hour long. I think, you know,

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need to tell in the time they need to tell it.

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No one says that his story has to be cut

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short at forty eight minutes or fifty minutes. You know,

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take the time you need to take, tell the story

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you want to tell, and tell it right. So I

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don't think ten episodes is necessarily a curse, but I

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think that the people at Paramount have to stop writings

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start it's a broadcast show that's just being streamed, because

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that's not the case at all. It needs to be

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written like it's a streaming show that's being streamed. And

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they haven't seemed to pick up on that particular problem yet,

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you know.

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David, Yeah, I think going back to the whole idea

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of technology, I just wanted to iterate something really quick

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here because now we have the Right of AI coming

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up and AI has definitely there had been a lot

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of I don't know if it's in Star Trek yet,

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and it may be, but AI has definitely looked like

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they have started to write some TV shows and to

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me makes me wonder because you guys, Jerry and Ellen

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were talking about, like, you know, some of the episodes

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for the streaming Shovic were like super super small. Like

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less than almost thirty minutes long, and it was just

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like so short, and it was like it's just a

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sitcom or something. I don't know, because it's just it

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just seems like they couldn't really know what they were

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going to write, and that to me, that episode seems

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like an AI written episode almost, and so it was

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just kind of like the AI just didn't know what

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to put in their next and it was just like

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it came to an end abruptly apparently. And to me,

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you guys also mentioned this whole screaming of minutes, and

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I'm wondering, when we watched the stuff and they get

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paid per minute, who's paying them? Where's the money coming from?

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I mean, they're already getting the money from a prescription

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subscriptions But to me, it was just like, how where

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is the economy funding come from that They're getting paid

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for a minute. That's what I'm confised about. So maybe

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you guys might know, but.

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like let's say that Star Trek streams one thousand minutes

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this week, and say Strange New Worlds streams eight hundred,

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for instance, then Star Trek is the number one streaming

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show that week because they streamed a thousand minutes versus

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you know, Strange New Worlds one hundred minutes or whatever

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the minutes happen to be. They're not rated any more

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like they used to do with the Nielsen ratings versus

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how many you know people tuned in to watch it.

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It's it's done by minutes. So making these shows shorter,

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I think it's hurting themselves versus making them longer. You know,

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just in my opinion, What do you think, Jay Doug.

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Well, there's the concerned forgetting the minutes in, but there

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is and things cost money. An episode of the original

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series was on average and one hundred and fifty to

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one hundred and sixty one hundred and seventy thousand dollars

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an episode in today, of course that's nothing, but in

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terms of nineteen sixties dollars, what would it be in

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today's dollars? All right, I don't know. Would it be

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close to a half a million? I'm not sure. No.

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right is when it came out, and then it started

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to ballooning to the million dollar range or whatever. Right,

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I mean, look at the you know, you can't obviously

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compare TNG and the original series. But the thing is

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also it wasn't just money. It was a number of

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factors well, in terms of what they were able to

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accomplish in terms of sets to make it like it's

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a starship or whatever, the heulet is in the future,

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and the behind the scenes things to consider too, write

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how the technology that's involved, they're evolving, they're getting better

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and better, but it's also cost and maybe also they

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feel they can invest more money. I was reading that

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because of the success, especially with Star Trek four, the

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one with the whales, right that it was saying that

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that helped to give more push to get the next

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generation on air because they I mean, look at the

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the amount of time between them too. It's only about

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two years or so, so a million dollars for an episode. Yeah,

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there were some, so you can have episodes whatever it

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is that like you mentioned Spock's Brain, but that was

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season three. And Fred Freiberger, who was in charge at

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the time, he's like the last man, the last like

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he's like you call him if like you're in your

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deathbed with your production, you know, unless you just want

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to go off the air. It was like either him

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or no one else. He was also on Space nineteen

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ninety nine by the way, as producer. But it's like crappy,

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crappy stuff. I mean, they did have a few good shows,

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right in the third season of Track. There were a

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few that were good, but there was something that it's like,

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holy cow, this is terrible.

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But the thing is that you can fill with what

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they call at that point bottle shows, right, which is

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even today.

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The thing is you gotta maybe do it for less

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or whatever. Enterprise what was very interesting when many Cooto

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was in the fourth season. People, you know, Enterprise was

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like canceled after four years in the fourth year when

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Manicoto took over and set it right. But it was

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too little, too late, so they still were down in

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money to like eight hundred thousand dollars. So what they

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did was they used X amount of episodes to tell

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a whole story so that the set like let's say

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if it took place on Vulcan with Vulcan's Forge and

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whatever the hell it one, right, they spread out a story.

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They made it like a mini movie over three episodes,

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so they weren't per se like more episodes, bottle episodes

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or what if they call it episodic television, right, episodic.

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It went from episodic to being multi episodes because they

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were telling a story over several so having a story

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orc right, thank you the story arc. That was great

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for Trek because you could go more into depth with something.

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So and they did it on DS nine, right, they did.

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Objection to story ORCS is when you show syndicated episodes,

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you may not put those episodes together. It's kind of

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a random showing. So then the story gets broken up.

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But like in some cases, like they'll show like the

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best of both worlds from TG or some of some

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cases they'll mush it together or Unification from TG parts

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one and two. You won't get stuck in there until

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the part two letter Niemoy came into a film before

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because you know, they didn't have a lot of time,

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you know. But so the thing is, then we saw

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with Discovery right when it started out it was fifteen episodes, right,

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it was fifteen episodes, was that would you say, a

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their start, you know, to allow it to do what

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it needs to do, you know, so we can gauge

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the amount of time it needs.

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Well, Discovery is an interesting because they were fifteen episodes

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and then they got cut back to thirteen. But again,

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Discovery didn't have a pilot episode either. They had the

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Vulcan Hello and the Ballot the Binary Stars, which are

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basically the same episode, but they put them in two parts.

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So we're back to the same thing of why didn't

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they make that first episode of pilot episode and make

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it one full episode versus you know, two individual ones,

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and they I think the reason why they do that,

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which doesn't make sense because it's streaming. They're not making

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them for syndication, like Ellen was saying, where people might

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watch episode two before they watch episode one. You're not

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going to do that when you're streaming. If you're streaming,

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you weren't going to sit down. You're going to watch

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them in order, so it doesn't I don't understand why

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they wouldn't want to make the stories like you're saying, Jada,

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where they did you know, the Forge and whatnot? And

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do you know these arcs because people are going to

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watch them in that order. They're not going to just

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sell out. I think I'll watch part three and then

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I'll watch part one and then I'll watch part two.

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You know people are going to do that. They're gonna

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watch one, two, three, because we're in the streaming era now,

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so that's how people watch. So why don't they make

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Star Trek like that? Why are they still making it

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like it's syndication when it really isn't.

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Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry. Go ahead, Jerry, if you wanted

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to say something, I mean, well, the.

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Thing is, do you agree then that there are some

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things they can learn from syndication broadcast? And I mean,

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regardless of whatever it is that, whatever kind of story

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it is, you know, whether it was that they were

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doing it because they couldn't have guest stars so and

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so because it would cost too much, Right, we want

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to make it.

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A bottle show.

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If you're going to do a bottle show. Do it good?

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Right?

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We've seen so many Star Trek bottle shows that have

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been really great. So the thing is, can we learn

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to apply from the previous and like the Vulcan Hello,

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well it was not exactly a very Vulcan Hello, and

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it was like, oh, we're picking it up in the

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middle of They didn't make it like a pilot, right.

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They should have combined it somehow to keep so that

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you know, tune in or you know it just and

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they need to do They need to fine tune things right.

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They need to because that's what I think. You don't

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just throw away previous experience. You know, some things are

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particular to streaming. It's a new animal, so to speak,

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but you need to keep it in a way that

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you'll keep people coming back and allow for more time.

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You have to say something too. It was very irritated

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about Prodigy because they dumped it overseas before the US

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and then they gave a tut much later, and like

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you said, they just gave us all at once so

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you can preview episodes and talk about it. That was

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very irriting.

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Yeah, I agree, Prodigy was they messed that whole thing.

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Up big time. But I think I think you're onto something, Allen.

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I think that if they're going to do streaming, they

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have to take a lesson from Game of Thrones and

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they have to sit down and say, we want to

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start with Starfleet Academy, for instance, with with our crew

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at point A, and at the end of season one,

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we want our crew to be at point B, and

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this is the journey that we're going to take. And

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so as each episode progresses, they're going to move from

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point A to point A, point one, point two until

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they end up at B, how however long that takes

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to get there, so that the entire season tells this

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entire story of Paul Giamonte's kling On character being a

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pain in the ass for the new Starfleet. But as

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that's the main story arc, you're going to have a

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lot of individual character arcs with these new characters that

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we're going to meet going through the journey at the

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same exact time that this giant story arc is going on,

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and they need to map that out and plan that

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out so that it fits together and it doesn't feel

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disjointed or like, oh, well, we're just going to throw

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something in here just to throw it in, and we're

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going to throw this in and throw that in. It

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needs to flow. It needs to feel like it's all one,

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you know, connected story, with these individual branches about, you know,

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like this new Klingon character, or the holographic doctor or

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taking the Taro's jet Reno, you know, or Tilly, whatever

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it might be, so that these little branches are part

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of the bigger story, so that all the branches support

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the tree. And I think that that's something that Paramount

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hasn't learned when it comes to streaming. I mean, if

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you look at Game of Thrones again, this was one

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big arc, and I don't know anyone that tuned in

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and watched episode one and they said, ah, I'm not

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going to watch episode two or three or four. If

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you watched it and you got pulled into that world,

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you watched all of them. And that's something that I

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think Star Trek needs to start to do because so

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many fans out there is already fans hating Starfleet Academy.

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We haven't even seen it yet, they hate it, you know.

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And I you know that the new kling On character,

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Jay Jaden carg I think his name is. I think

475
00:32:23.880 --> 00:32:27.640
that's it I'm really psyched to see him. Wharf is

476
00:32:27.680 --> 00:32:29.880
the reason I got into Star Trek in the first place,

477
00:32:29.960 --> 00:32:32.920
and now there's a brand new Klingon character nine hundred

478
00:32:33.000 --> 00:32:35.599
years in the future. I'm really interested to know what

479
00:32:35.680 --> 00:32:37.960
happened to the kling On Empire, how they ended up

480
00:32:38.079 --> 00:32:40.880
wherever they are now, how did they deal with the burn,

481
00:32:41.240 --> 00:32:43.759
what are they up to in the future. The Romulans

482
00:32:43.880 --> 00:32:46.359
and Vulcans are now united, how did this affect the

483
00:32:46.440 --> 00:32:49.720
Klingon Empire? And yes, I want to know those things.

484
00:32:49.799 --> 00:32:52.440
And I'm also psyched that he's a doctor and he's

485
00:32:52.480 --> 00:32:56.680
not a warrior. He's not running around beheading people on Wednesdays,

486
00:32:56.799 --> 00:33:00.519
you know. So I'm really excited to see what they're

487
00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:02.599
going to do with this new show. There's a gem

488
00:33:02.640 --> 00:33:06.759
Hadar female who runs the academy. I'm really psyched about

489
00:33:06.799 --> 00:33:09.880
that too. Fans are hating on that as well because

490
00:33:10.240 --> 00:33:14.240
gem Hadar don't have females. They're all, you know, genetically

491
00:33:14.359 --> 00:33:16.799
enhanced and whatnot. But again, this is nine hundred years

492
00:33:16.799 --> 00:33:20.200
in the future. Give the show a chance, you know.

493
00:33:20.279 --> 00:33:23.000
I want to see something different. I think Star Trek

494
00:33:23.079 --> 00:33:25.599
needs to be different in order to survive. If it's

495
00:33:26.240 --> 00:33:29.519
they're all exactly the same. What's the point. Give us

496
00:33:29.519 --> 00:33:32.119
something different, give us something new. But there's a lot

497
00:33:32.160 --> 00:33:34.720
of closed minded fans out there that don't want to,

498
00:33:35.440 --> 00:33:37.920
you know, step out of their box of what they

499
00:33:37.960 --> 00:33:40.240
think Star Trek is and if it goes outside of

500
00:33:40.279 --> 00:33:44.519
that box, well they're gonna hate it. But with streaming,

501
00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:48.640
I think they have an opportunity to give us something different,

502
00:33:48.640 --> 00:33:52.440
give us something special, give us something new and something good.

503
00:33:52.759 --> 00:33:56.400
Don't give us your standard, you know, forty eight minute episode,

504
00:33:56.480 --> 00:33:58.519
move on to the next one. Forty eight minutes, move

505
00:33:58.519 --> 00:34:01.960
on to the next one. I think Strange New Worlds

506
00:34:02.039 --> 00:34:05.559
kind of fell into that trap in season three, and

507
00:34:05.599 --> 00:34:08.639
I hope they get out of that trap in season

508
00:34:08.800 --> 00:34:12.800
four because it felt like Strange New world Season three

509
00:34:12.880 --> 00:34:17.000
felt like a network show. They were all individual bottle episodes,

510
00:34:17.320 --> 00:34:19.400
and I think they got lost, and I think they

511
00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:23.800
need to come back, watch some True Blood, watch some

512
00:34:23.880 --> 00:34:27.519
Game of Thrones, and get back to what streaming is

513
00:34:27.559 --> 00:34:30.840
supposed to give us. In my opinion, you know.

514
00:34:33.800 --> 00:34:37.760
Well, well, thinking about the whole what happened with the

515
00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:40.440
Kleanine in the future, I think somehow the trouble had

516
00:34:40.440 --> 00:34:45.239
got involved. They it became Passionfish. But other than that,

517
00:34:45.960 --> 00:34:51.119
the I have a thing also here, you guys were

518
00:34:51.119 --> 00:34:55.360
talking a lot about how streaming went away from advertisement,

519
00:34:55.559 --> 00:35:00.360
but doesn't advertisements still just in the online world. I mean,

520
00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:04.119
I thought there was like different levels of subscription too,

521
00:35:04.239 --> 00:35:06.719
like if you pay this much, you have ad free

522
00:35:06.760 --> 00:35:11.000
and all this stuff, and it's like, but if it's streaming,

523
00:35:11.119 --> 00:35:13.679
why do we still have ads. I don't know, it's

524
00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:16.079
another way for them to make money, and you know,

525
00:35:16.199 --> 00:35:20.079
all that stuff. But to me, you Jim, you were

526
00:35:20.119 --> 00:35:26.760
going talking about the whole Paramount need to get away

527
00:35:26.800 --> 00:35:30.599
from the whole episodic episode. And I agree with you guys.

528
00:35:30.679 --> 00:35:32.639
You know we need to stick rod of story arc

529
00:35:32.960 --> 00:35:35.880
several episodes or maybe even a whole season long. I

530
00:35:35.880 --> 00:35:40.239
wouldn't mind a whole season long story arc. However, I

531
00:35:40.239 --> 00:35:45.039
think Paramount had this thing called greed and they just

532
00:35:45.159 --> 00:35:48.719
want money. And I believe that the more people watch

533
00:35:48.760 --> 00:35:51.400
the show, the more money they get. And so I

534
00:35:51.480 --> 00:35:57.199
think I'm not saying Paramount is the bad party to

535
00:35:57.840 --> 00:36:00.920
have Star Trek. And remember they promised that they were

536
00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:03.679
just gonna have Star Trek on Paramount and then they

537
00:36:03.760 --> 00:36:06.559
started taking off episode or series. It was just like

538
00:36:07.639 --> 00:36:09.960
I signed up this to watch Star Trek, right, So

539
00:36:10.760 --> 00:36:14.079
it was just kind of like the idea of once

540
00:36:14.159 --> 00:36:18.320
money comes into power, then they can do whatever they want.

541
00:36:18.440 --> 00:36:21.960
And some people there might be Star Trek fans, they

542
00:36:22.039 --> 00:36:25.199
might want to try and make Star Trek a good thing,

543
00:36:25.960 --> 00:36:30.920
but for some reason, the higher up I'm assuming or

544
00:36:30.960 --> 00:36:33.360
probably like you know, trying to tell them to do

545
00:36:33.400 --> 00:36:36.639
it this way, and it's just like, ah, so to me,

546
00:36:36.840 --> 00:36:42.239
I think Paramount definitely has a lot to learn and

547
00:36:42.320 --> 00:36:47.199
they probably will maybe. And season four and five of

548
00:36:47.320 --> 00:36:50.920
Strange Worlds and the reason why I got canceled before

549
00:36:51.079 --> 00:36:54.159
it even aired, it was really strange to me. It's

550
00:36:54.239 --> 00:36:58.679
really rare that your show get canceled before even the

551
00:36:58.719 --> 00:37:01.960
season comes to the public eye, right. So it's just like,

552
00:37:04.000 --> 00:37:06.519
I'm sure there's probably other TV shows out there that

553
00:37:06.599 --> 00:37:09.119
probably had done the same thing to the online world,

554
00:37:09.199 --> 00:37:13.480
but it's just like, I don't know, there's just ratings

555
00:37:13.519 --> 00:37:17.079
that they're probably getting from somewhere, the money that they're

556
00:37:17.920 --> 00:37:21.280
I don't know. It's just to me, I think that

557
00:37:21.639 --> 00:37:26.920
Star Trek itself and I'm really hoping that Starfleet Academy

558
00:37:27.239 --> 00:37:29.840
is gonna be like Game of throne to be honest,

559
00:37:29.880 --> 00:37:33.360
because if it's like you don't know who's gonna be

560
00:37:33.519 --> 00:37:36.079
bumped off the show, then it's gonna be like, Wow,

561
00:37:36.199 --> 00:37:39.079
this show is probably gonna be pretty good. And then

562
00:37:39.639 --> 00:37:41.880
maybe that's what they're doing. They're trying to do each

563
00:37:41.960 --> 00:37:48.840
series something as a different product experiment. I guess you

564
00:37:48.840 --> 00:37:52.360
could say, to find out whether or not if the

565
00:37:52.400 --> 00:37:54.760
series works for people, and show the more ratings they

566
00:37:54.840 --> 00:37:58.000
get from this particular series, Like I think this is

567
00:37:58.039 --> 00:38:01.840
when they started with The Car, because The Car, I

568
00:38:01.920 --> 00:38:07.760
honestly did not think Patrick Stewart was going to do

569
00:38:07.880 --> 00:38:12.840
another show and get back into his character and everything,

570
00:38:12.880 --> 00:38:16.079
but then when he announced it, it just seemed a

571
00:38:16.159 --> 00:38:18.760
little strange that it was like they were just trying

572
00:38:18.760 --> 00:38:20.760
to do an experiment to see how many people they

573
00:38:20.760 --> 00:38:23.760
could get into that series to try and watch and

574
00:38:23.760 --> 00:38:27.079
then see how the money flowed. I guess you could say,

575
00:38:27.079 --> 00:38:30.159
because it really is followed the Yellow Bick Road basically,

576
00:38:30.840 --> 00:38:37.440
and the more experiments they do with these shows, yeah,

577
00:38:38.039 --> 00:38:41.480
it might start to get revenue for them to do

578
00:38:41.559 --> 00:38:44.119
more of it, or maybe even to do a little

579
00:38:44.159 --> 00:38:47.960
bit different with another series. Because I'm still waiting to

580
00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:52.360
see if they can make like an enterprise she series.

581
00:38:53.000 --> 00:38:56.559
You know what happened to Garrett there before she went

582
00:38:56.599 --> 00:38:59.079
through that wormhole? You know, I want to see her story.

583
00:38:59.239 --> 00:39:04.320
So it's just kind of like an interesting, weird experiment.

584
00:39:04.400 --> 00:39:06.239
I guess what they're doing, but I don't know if

585
00:39:06.239 --> 00:39:10.239
they are not, So maybe someone else can have that opinion.

586
00:39:10.320 --> 00:39:14.440
But what do you think.

587
00:39:14.320 --> 00:39:22.360
Jadad Well, I think, you know, so we a bottle

588
00:39:22.400 --> 00:39:29.360
show has its place. They mentioned on Star Trek Strange

589
00:39:29.440 --> 00:39:33.159
New Worlds initially, we're going to have a good balance, right,

590
00:39:33.599 --> 00:39:36.199
I remember them saying we're gonna have a good balance

591
00:39:36.280 --> 00:39:44.639
between episodic and a continuous story arc, you know, like

592
00:39:45.280 --> 00:39:49.000
so and so happened. We'll reference the Gorn or whatever,

593
00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:53.360
or she's she or he who were attacked by the Gorn,

594
00:39:53.760 --> 00:39:57.119
they're still recovered whatever, right, stuff like that. So it's

595
00:39:57.159 --> 00:40:00.480
not as if or it's like a month has passed spot.

596
00:40:01.280 --> 00:40:04.840
So it's not as if we're like a year and

597
00:40:04.920 --> 00:40:08.039
a half afterwards in the store in the universe, in

598
00:40:08.239 --> 00:40:17.320
universe itself. So let's have a good mix of that,

599
00:40:17.840 --> 00:40:27.760
I think, and as far as having a good like

600
00:40:28.719 --> 00:40:34.800
fifteen episodes to tweak it right, Like for example, I

601
00:40:34.920 --> 00:40:42.400
liked that they did allow initially that you know, we

602
00:40:42.480 --> 00:40:49.400
saw that the Star Trek Discovery was allowed to have

603
00:40:49.440 --> 00:40:56.039
that time right to have the fifteen episodes. So let's

604
00:40:56.199 --> 00:41:04.280
try and do that and make a true pilot. I

605
00:41:04.320 --> 00:41:09.159
think they need to do that. The thing that like

606
00:41:09.719 --> 00:41:19.079
so advertisers. When you're not watching a show on streaming,

607
00:41:19.639 --> 00:41:22.880
like you go to YouTube, you still see Like let's

608
00:41:22.880 --> 00:41:26.559
say you're watching an episode of I Dream of Genie

609
00:41:26.639 --> 00:41:30.840
on YouTube, right, and you watch a good amount of

610
00:41:30.880 --> 00:41:34.880
the episode, but there's still so and so company that

611
00:41:35.360 --> 00:41:40.480
sells you stuff. So the advertisers are still there, you know.

612
00:41:40.800 --> 00:41:45.880
So they're still out there, right, They're still buying wanting

613
00:41:45.920 --> 00:41:52.079
you to invest in them. So I don't know if

614
00:41:52.119 --> 00:41:56.360
they do have any hand in streaming at all. I mean,

615
00:41:58.719 --> 00:42:00.480
is therein the.

616
00:42:00.440 --> 00:42:01.159
Scenes do that.

617
00:42:02.199 --> 00:42:07.440
I don't know, but I'm looking.

618
00:42:07.199 --> 00:42:07.880
Forward to.

619
00:42:10.199 --> 00:42:14.920
With Starfleet Academy, I'd like to get see that they

620
00:42:15.000 --> 00:42:28.280
do a good balance. I like that they had from

621
00:42:28.880 --> 00:42:34.000
the Star Trek authors. It's your name that was on

622
00:42:35.119 --> 00:42:41.480
several of the shows. Forget her name, But it shows

623
00:42:41.519 --> 00:42:45.480
they care because a lot of you see, okay, we

624
00:42:45.559 --> 00:42:47.960
have we have had some of the Star Trek non

625
00:42:48.079 --> 00:42:52.159
cannon book authors that were and then we had some

626
00:42:52.280 --> 00:42:57.360
that were very good. Okay, for example, on d S nine,

627
00:42:58.119 --> 00:43:04.679
the author Dave Matt he wrote an episode along with

628
00:43:04.719 --> 00:43:10.639
a few others for DS nine. So they've dabbled in

629
00:43:10.760 --> 00:43:17.199
both cannon and non canon stuff. So they know the characters,

630
00:43:17.320 --> 00:43:20.960
they know how they are. Let's get a big balance.

631
00:43:22.119 --> 00:43:31.159
That's what I think, a big balance of episodic, continuous

632
00:43:31.159 --> 00:43:37.239
story arc and allow for it to grow.

633
00:43:38.880 --> 00:43:45.800
What do you think, Well, I think that with let's see,

634
00:43:46.000 --> 00:43:50.519
they canceled Star Trek Discovery. They were working on season

635
00:43:50.719 --> 00:43:54.119
six when they pulled the plug on, so they just

636
00:43:54.159 --> 00:43:57.320
made a decision to cancel it, and they did. And

637
00:43:57.400 --> 00:44:00.440
so that who made that decision and why who knows?

638
00:44:01.199 --> 00:44:04.519
Lower Decks was in the height of its popularity and

639
00:44:04.599 --> 00:44:07.280
they pulled the plug on that after season five, right

640
00:44:07.280 --> 00:44:11.920
after they canceled Discovery. Picard was always meant to be

641
00:44:12.159 --> 00:44:16.280
just three seasons. So Picard wasn't actually canceled, it was

642
00:44:16.360 --> 00:44:20.199
only you know, picked up for three seasons. But you know,

643
00:44:20.679 --> 00:44:23.679
I think the way they did Picard, they could have

644
00:44:23.719 --> 00:44:26.679
gone longer. But again, three seasons and that was done.

645
00:44:26.920 --> 00:44:31.840
Prodigy is baffling. I just you know, season one was

646
00:44:31.920 --> 00:44:35.880
so successful and they canceled season one and season two

647
00:44:35.960 --> 00:44:38.639
was already finished. All they had to do was airit.

648
00:44:39.079 --> 00:44:41.679
And they not only did they cancel it, they pulled

649
00:44:41.719 --> 00:44:45.039
it off of Paramount Plus completely and put it over

650
00:44:45.079 --> 00:44:48.239
there on Netflix. And god knows who made that decision

651
00:44:48.519 --> 00:44:52.239
or why. And now now we get to Strange New Worlds,

652
00:44:52.920 --> 00:44:56.480
which was canceled at the end of season three, but

653
00:44:56.559 --> 00:44:59.480
they are allowing them to do season four and in

654
00:44:59.519 --> 00:45:02.760
a short in season five. So these people that are

655
00:45:02.800 --> 00:45:05.440
running this seems to me like they have no idea

656
00:45:05.480 --> 00:45:09.000
what the hell they're doing. They're clueless, you know, But

657
00:45:09.119 --> 00:45:11.840
let's cancel this, cancel that, cancel this, cancel back. So

658
00:45:12.440 --> 00:45:15.000
I don't know what's going on in their heads, but

659
00:45:15.079 --> 00:45:18.360
I do know that Star Trek can thrive in this

660
00:45:18.559 --> 00:45:21.239
environment if it's done the right way. And just to

661
00:45:21.280 --> 00:45:25.679
give you an example, the Section thirty one movie, which

662
00:45:26.119 --> 00:45:30.480
has been you know, hated and just hated worse than

663
00:45:30.519 --> 00:45:33.079
Star Trek five, which in my opinion, I think is

664
00:45:33.119 --> 00:45:36.000
the best Star Trek movie ever. But that's a topic

665
00:45:36.119 --> 00:45:39.400
for another day. If you've ever listened to the podcast,

666
00:45:39.519 --> 00:45:45.039
you know, if you all about that, David so but

667
00:45:46.320 --> 00:45:50.119
Section thirty one has just been just hated on a

668
00:45:50.239 --> 00:45:54.880
big time by everybody. However, with that being said, it's

669
00:45:54.920 --> 00:46:00.000
also one of Paramount Plus's most successful streaming endeavors. Yeah,

670
00:46:00.519 --> 00:46:02.840
and how can the fans hate it and how can

671
00:46:02.880 --> 00:46:05.679
it be reviled as being awful and terrible but be

672
00:46:05.760 --> 00:46:09.159
one of their biggest successes. Because another one of the

673
00:46:09.519 --> 00:46:13.920
of the ratings markers that we've yet to talk about,

674
00:46:13.960 --> 00:46:17.639
which we're about to mention, is something called parrot Analytical,

675
00:46:18.280 --> 00:46:23.920
and para Analytical turns around and analyzes how much online

676
00:46:24.039 --> 00:46:28.719
chatter a particular series is getting, and that's what generates

677
00:46:28.920 --> 00:46:32.159
how popular it is. You know, if ninety nine percent

678
00:46:32.199 --> 00:46:35.599
of the Internet is talking about Section thirty one, even

679
00:46:35.599 --> 00:46:38.639
though they're saying it's terrible, that's right up there at

680
00:46:38.679 --> 00:46:42.199
the top with most popular shows because people are talking

681
00:46:42.239 --> 00:46:45.320
about it. So, even though they hated the show, par

682
00:46:45.599 --> 00:46:48.880
Analyticals has it right up there at the top because

683
00:46:49.199 --> 00:46:52.559
people don't stop talking about it. So that's another thing

684
00:46:52.920 --> 00:46:57.480
that streaming has going on that network TV really didn't,

685
00:46:57.559 --> 00:47:00.760
And that's the analytical side of it. On the Internet,

686
00:47:00.840 --> 00:47:03.719
how many people are talking about it, how many Facebook

687
00:47:03.719 --> 00:47:07.840
pages there are, how many groups. You know, you also

688
00:47:07.920 --> 00:47:13.239
have rotten tomatoes where people bomb things because they do it.

689
00:47:13.280 --> 00:47:16.239
But at any rate, there's a lot of other factors

690
00:47:16.280 --> 00:47:19.679
besides just you know, how many people watch it, how

691
00:47:19.760 --> 00:47:23.679
many minutes it was watched, and you know what is

692
00:47:23.719 --> 00:47:26.039
being said on the internet. So that's something else that

693
00:47:26.280 --> 00:47:28.559
I wanted to touch on. So what do you think

694
00:47:28.599 --> 00:47:33.239
about that, David? People talking about shows and doing podcasts

695
00:47:33.320 --> 00:47:36.280
for instance about shows.

696
00:47:36.519 --> 00:47:39.320
Yeah, I mean it's fun. I enjoy it. And as

697
00:47:39.320 --> 00:47:43.079
far as the decision of who put that show on Netflix,

698
00:47:43.119 --> 00:47:45.760
I think people at Paramount are just using the magic

699
00:47:45.800 --> 00:47:50.360
apall making a decision based off of that or AI

700
00:47:50.599 --> 00:47:57.760
check off. But I don't know. But this whole thing

701
00:47:58.039 --> 00:48:02.760
about people liking versus not liking versus how many people watch,

702
00:48:02.800 --> 00:48:07.079
how many people don't watch, I think they aren't exactly

703
00:48:07.360 --> 00:48:10.159
one hundred percent. The shame to me because people could

704
00:48:10.199 --> 00:48:14.320
watch a really bad movie because maybe they're in the

705
00:48:14.360 --> 00:48:16.840
mood for something horrible to watch, you know, I mean

706
00:48:16.880 --> 00:48:19.719
I get that way. Sometimes watch a campy movie. So

707
00:48:19.760 --> 00:48:24.480
it's just like when people don't like it. I think

708
00:48:24.519 --> 00:48:31.599
there's a separate analytical like what you were saying, Oh

709
00:48:31.639 --> 00:48:37.039
my god, what's that word ratings, like how many people

710
00:48:37.039 --> 00:48:41.320
watch it, how many people hated it, And maybe they

711
00:48:41.480 --> 00:48:43.719
just put the two together to make it sound like,

712
00:48:43.840 --> 00:48:46.920
you know, it might be the most successful movie, but

713
00:48:48.159 --> 00:48:50.920
it wasn't the best. I mean, personally, I didn't really

714
00:48:50.960 --> 00:48:53.360
like to show that much. The beginning was great. I

715
00:48:53.360 --> 00:48:54.800
thought it was gonna be awesome, but then all of

716
00:48:54.840 --> 00:48:56.239
a sudden, it just kind of felt flat for me.

717
00:48:59.079 --> 00:49:04.199
To me though, the whole idea of streaming virtue what

718
00:49:04.239 --> 00:49:11.639
they used to do. I'm I don't know, I'm not

719
00:49:11.639 --> 00:49:13.880
really sure how to put this, but I like the

720
00:49:14.000 --> 00:49:18.119
streaming way just for the convenience of it. But at

721
00:49:18.159 --> 00:49:21.559
the same time, I do miss going out into videos,

722
00:49:21.599 --> 00:49:24.519
you know. I mean I would rather almost do that

723
00:49:24.679 --> 00:49:31.079
than just watch anything on finding almost, but I'm just

724
00:49:31.079 --> 00:49:34.000
so used to the technology now. It's just like it's

725
00:49:34.119 --> 00:49:40.239
kind of a second what do they call it, second reflex,

726
00:49:40.440 --> 00:49:44.000
I guess, to the point where it's just like, yeah,

727
00:49:44.079 --> 00:49:48.119
it's convenient, but it can be pretty expensive. I can

728
00:49:48.119 --> 00:49:52.760
say that they can all these different streaming services, and

729
00:49:52.800 --> 00:49:56.239
there's so many now and they're competing through one another.

730
00:49:56.280 --> 00:50:00.840
It's just like it's constantly everybody's trying to get a

731
00:50:00.880 --> 00:50:05.039
bigger yellow road. I guess I don't know, But to me,

732
00:50:05.800 --> 00:50:08.119
I really think it all boils down to greed, and

733
00:50:08.199 --> 00:50:13.119
I think this is what happened when corporate corporation tried

734
00:50:13.159 --> 00:50:16.239
to compete to one another, which has been going on

735
00:50:16.400 --> 00:50:19.159
even back in the eighties and beyond. So to me,

736
00:50:21.480 --> 00:50:24.960
I think we're gonna get bad shows and we're gonna

737
00:50:24.960 --> 00:50:28.239
get good shows. And you guys were talking about arcs, right,

738
00:50:28.800 --> 00:50:32.559
Jerry was mentioning something about how the arcs and the

739
00:50:32.599 --> 00:50:35.840
story plots, you know, have to be important. And another

740
00:50:35.880 --> 00:50:37.840
thing I would have to add to that would be

741
00:50:38.559 --> 00:50:40.960
a twist. There has to be a twist at the

742
00:50:41.159 --> 00:50:45.199
end of that story to make it, you know, just perfect.

743
00:50:45.320 --> 00:50:48.599
So to me, when it has a really good twist,

744
00:50:48.960 --> 00:50:54.239
like who done it? Show, right, you're trying to figure

745
00:50:54.239 --> 00:50:56.519
out who did it, and all of a sudden there's

746
00:50:56.559 --> 00:50:58.559
that perfect twist at the end of the show where

747
00:50:58.599 --> 00:51:02.079
it's just like, oh, okay, that makes sense, so you

748
00:51:02.119 --> 00:51:05.639
know it. It kind of like clicks everything together once

749
00:51:06.639 --> 00:51:11.719
that particular type of show starts to take form. And

750
00:51:11.840 --> 00:51:16.280
to me, I think that's what makes TV shows, whether

751
00:51:16.280 --> 00:51:22.000
it's streaming or you know, Blockbuster movies or whatever. Yeah,

752
00:51:22.159 --> 00:51:26.280
so a good story plot twist at the end is

753
00:51:26.360 --> 00:51:30.760
always the cherry on top to me, and I think

754
00:51:30.880 --> 00:51:35.920
it would be really fun if eventually they will start

755
00:51:36.000 --> 00:51:40.159
including fans into the mix of how they want shows

756
00:51:40.199 --> 00:51:44.400
to go. And maybe they will eventually. I don't know

757
00:51:44.440 --> 00:51:46.400
if Star Trek has started doing it, but there is

758
00:51:46.480 --> 00:51:51.320
an actual YouTube page that I would following that actually

759
00:51:51.360 --> 00:51:54.519
listens to the fans and they actually bring fans into film,

760
00:51:54.599 --> 00:51:58.679
so it's kind of fun. And I don't know if

761
00:51:58.719 --> 00:52:01.559
you guys are into the whole DNA things at all,

762
00:52:01.679 --> 00:52:04.639
but there is a pretty fun YouTube channel. I have

763
00:52:04.719 --> 00:52:07.880
to go back and look at the name, but yeah,

764
00:52:07.880 --> 00:52:09.960
they include the fans. And so if dar Trek starts

765
00:52:10.000 --> 00:52:13.760
including the fans should start saying what can be made,

766
00:52:14.000 --> 00:52:15.239
that might be the next step.

767
00:52:15.760 --> 00:52:16.199
I don't know.

768
00:52:19.320 --> 00:52:22.880
We on the bog blow your ships and your ships.

769
00:52:23.320 --> 00:52:27.559
We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own.

770
00:52:28.199 --> 00:52:31.960
Your culture will adapt to service resistance.

771
00:52:35.519 --> 00:52:39.119
Well, j Dog, what do you think can Star Treks

772
00:52:39.159 --> 00:52:40.840
survive in the streaming era?

773
00:52:43.239 --> 00:52:50.960
Yeah, just that they have to find the right bands, right,

774
00:52:51.159 --> 00:52:58.239
There's still things to be worked out. You mentioned about

775
00:52:58.320 --> 00:53:04.719
section thirty one, and I know we've discussed about certain

776
00:53:08.159 --> 00:53:13.679
parts about it. I mean, definitely Michelle Yeo was a

777
00:53:13.719 --> 00:53:17.960
big attraction, so I don't know if that was part

778
00:53:18.000 --> 00:53:23.280
of that, it was responsible for making it such a

779
00:53:23.320 --> 00:53:26.960
big to do. I wasn't too thrilled with the story.

780
00:53:28.559 --> 00:53:33.360
And you know, the thing of it is this, they

781
00:53:33.519 --> 00:53:38.440
could have come up with something really good based on

782
00:53:39.239 --> 00:53:43.719
DS nine with the episodes from Section thirty one. They

783
00:53:43.760 --> 00:53:53.280
had enough. There were certain episodes and Enterprise also had

784
00:53:54.239 --> 00:53:59.639
and maybe it would have been interesting to see a

785
00:53:59.679 --> 00:54:04.079
show that goes on with Section thirty one. I mean

786
00:54:04.119 --> 00:54:06.239
they were were they going to do that? They were

787
00:54:06.280 --> 00:54:10.800
going to make a Section thirty one show. They but

788
00:54:11.079 --> 00:54:15.159
they came up with this crappy movie, you know. I

789
00:54:15.199 --> 00:54:19.880
mean I wanted to see, like, Okay, how did these

790
00:54:20.599 --> 00:54:26.119
I mean in a place like star Trek in the future,

791
00:54:27.440 --> 00:54:31.079
where why are we having this? We're all one big,

792
00:54:31.119 --> 00:54:35.280
happy federation. I mean, you have Starfleet intelligence, which I

793
00:54:35.280 --> 00:54:38.679
can understand, but you haven't. I mean, just like today,

794
00:54:39.039 --> 00:54:44.800
the CIA, the NIS, the etcetera, etcetera, so many different levels,

795
00:54:45.159 --> 00:54:48.360
one more undercover.

796
00:54:47.920 --> 00:54:48.559
Than the other.

797
00:54:49.199 --> 00:54:53.159
I mean, is this how because we're doing it? Because

798
00:54:53.679 --> 00:54:58.039
you're afraid you can't handle the truth type of crap

799
00:54:58.119 --> 00:55:01.760
that we're gonna get from Arkleyvieple. You guys want to

800
00:55:01.800 --> 00:55:06.679
have your freedoms and whatever, so we're here to preserve.

801
00:55:08.000 --> 00:55:12.920
Don't give bullshit. Give us something that is going. You know,

802
00:55:12.960 --> 00:55:17.760
you have enough content to come up with whether it

803
00:55:17.800 --> 00:55:20.679
would have been they it didn't. Wouldn't have taken much

804
00:55:20.760 --> 00:55:23.840
to do a good section thirty one movie, and you

805
00:55:23.920 --> 00:55:27.119
could have had Michelle Yo and you could have They

806
00:55:28.159 --> 00:55:33.280
are not trying enough. The thing is that when DS

807
00:55:33.440 --> 00:55:37.039
nine was on and whatever it is that you're gauging

808
00:55:37.159 --> 00:55:42.719
how you're going to rate it. Rick Berman wasn't as

809
00:55:44.679 --> 00:55:48.920
involved with DS nine because it was whatever was the time,

810
00:55:49.280 --> 00:55:53.559
the child that was just coming on, the new thing

811
00:55:53.679 --> 00:55:58.320
to play around with. So they focused on Voyager when

812
00:55:58.400 --> 00:56:01.480
Voyager was about to go off the year they they

813
00:56:02.119 --> 00:56:08.559
they started with an enterprise. So it's like, okay, you know,

814
00:56:09.440 --> 00:56:15.440
learn from things, learn, and I think that you will

815
00:56:15.480 --> 00:56:19.360
see Star Trek do the hell of a lot better.

816
00:56:20.239 --> 00:56:23.920
I think that when we learn from our past right,

817
00:56:24.679 --> 00:56:31.840
and we come up with a good start to something

818
00:56:32.800 --> 00:56:35.840
and learn from the different things, we'll have will be

819
00:56:36.000 --> 00:56:42.320
so satisfying, you know, and I think streaming can be

820
00:56:42.519 --> 00:56:48.960
something really great. I mean, it can really do it,

821
00:56:49.159 --> 00:56:54.960
you know, but they got to learn from the past, right,

822
00:56:55.119 --> 00:56:59.239
They got to learn from what's going on from the US.

823
00:57:00.280 --> 00:57:03.519
So that's where I see.

824
00:57:04.039 --> 00:57:07.199
Well. I also think that just in closing here, because

825
00:57:07.280 --> 00:57:09.639
believe it or not, we've burned through an hour or

826
00:57:09.679 --> 00:57:12.760
to believe. But I also think that another thing that

827
00:57:14.559 --> 00:57:18.440
has to be addressed is the amount of time between seasons.

828
00:57:19.480 --> 00:57:22.360
You know, when Strange New World's season two raps and

829
00:57:22.400 --> 00:57:26.360
we have to wait almost two years to see season three,

830
00:57:27.039 --> 00:57:30.280
fans lose interest, They drift away, the excitement dies down,

831
00:57:30.320 --> 00:57:34.039
nobody really cares, nobody really remembers. And I think that's

832
00:57:34.039 --> 00:57:37.280
a big, big problem with streaming is the amount of

833
00:57:37.440 --> 00:57:40.760
time between seasons. I think these networks got to pull

834
00:57:40.840 --> 00:57:43.960
their heads out of our asses and they got to

835
00:57:44.000 --> 00:57:47.760
speed up the production time between these shows to keep

836
00:57:47.880 --> 00:57:51.559
fans engaged and interested. Because I mean, I'm watching a

837
00:57:51.639 --> 00:57:55.440
stranger Strange New Work, I mean Stranger Things season five

838
00:57:56.440 --> 00:57:59.360
and I'm like, who are these Who's this character? Where'd

839
00:57:59.360 --> 00:58:02.400
that one come from? And it was so long ago

840
00:58:02.920 --> 00:58:05.400
that I saw season four that I had to go

841
00:58:05.480 --> 00:58:07.599
back and watch season four to catch up because I

842
00:58:07.599 --> 00:58:09.800
couldn't remember the stuff that happened because it was so

843
00:58:09.880 --> 00:58:13.159
much long ago. And these kids look like they're in college.

844
00:58:13.199 --> 00:58:15.760
They're not in high school anymore. There's so much time

845
00:58:15.800 --> 00:58:18.719
as passed, and I think that that's something else they

846
00:58:18.760 --> 00:58:21.199
have to work on with streaming is getting the product

847
00:58:21.400 --> 00:58:25.320
produced quicker. They need to get you know, maybe a

848
00:58:25.480 --> 00:58:29.440
few more episodes in there, you know, maybe two Star

849
00:58:29.480 --> 00:58:33.000
Trek shows with thirteen episodes each would give us twenty

850
00:58:33.000 --> 00:58:38.880
six episodes and less time between them. Give us whatever

851
00:58:38.920 --> 00:58:41.960
time we need to tell the story, be it fifty minutes,

852
00:58:42.039 --> 00:58:44.840
be it fifty two, be it an hour and eighteen minutes,

853
00:58:44.880 --> 00:58:48.440
whatever time they need to tell that story, tell it

854
00:58:49.119 --> 00:58:52.639
and give us a few more episodes and give us

855
00:58:52.719 --> 00:58:56.800
less time between seasons. And I think that that is

856
00:58:56.840 --> 00:59:00.400
what we need to see happen, you know, in the

857
00:59:00.440 --> 00:59:04.719
streaming world. In my humble, what do you think, David,

858
00:59:06.320 --> 00:59:06.559
what you.

859
00:59:06.599 --> 00:59:10.159
Were saying between the two seasons of A Stranger World?

860
00:59:10.599 --> 00:59:12.280
I think the reason why I took two years for

861
00:59:12.360 --> 00:59:14.559
the third season or the second Shooson to come out

862
00:59:15.440 --> 00:59:18.760
was because of the writers strike that took place, if

863
00:59:18.800 --> 00:59:23.199
I'm correct, And so it took a while for them

864
00:59:23.280 --> 00:59:27.840
to get the product on the shelf per se, So

865
00:59:29.840 --> 00:59:33.880
I don't really remember any time else was there an

866
00:59:33.920 --> 00:59:38.119
extra year added for a weight period for a new

867
00:59:38.119 --> 00:59:41.599
season to come along, because I think it was do

868
00:59:41.840 --> 00:59:46.599
that writer strike, So I don't think that they are

869
00:59:46.639 --> 00:59:49.239
doing it on purpose for us to wait. But then again,

870
00:59:49.559 --> 00:59:51.239
why do we have to wait a whole year in

871
00:59:51.280 --> 00:59:55.199
the beginning? I mean, don't they already have like season

872
00:59:55.400 --> 00:59:59.840
three and four already or season four and five made first?

873
01:00:00.079 --> 01:00:03.360
In your world? Why don't they just you know, it

874
01:00:04.119 --> 01:00:06.320
within the same year. I mean, I guess they're trying

875
01:00:06.360 --> 01:00:09.280
to spread it out so that they can work on

876
01:00:09.480 --> 01:00:12.400
other projects projects, I guess, But at the same time,

877
01:00:12.440 --> 01:00:16.400
it's like we want it now. I'm not saying I'm impatient.

878
01:00:16.440 --> 01:00:18.320
I'm just saying, you know, it's just the idea that

879
01:00:18.480 --> 01:00:22.559
it's online. So maybe I don't know.

880
01:00:25.960 --> 01:00:29.119
Well, Alan, what do you think? You share your opinions?

881
01:00:29.119 --> 01:00:29.639
What it's allen?

882
01:00:31.880 --> 01:00:36.760
What I think is they don't pay writers enough. Really,

883
01:00:37.559 --> 01:00:42.719
we're all about the celebrity starts, and if they would

884
01:00:42.719 --> 01:00:46.519
pay writers of decent America, we could get some good stories.

885
01:00:48.039 --> 01:00:52.800
This is an old tale in Hollywood and that's why

886
01:00:52.800 --> 01:00:57.440
they're recycling now. They're making remakes of everything because they

887
01:00:57.440 --> 01:01:02.760
have no original ideas, because they don't want to pay writers.

888
01:01:03.400 --> 01:01:09.559
Some hoping that sometime in the future so not only

889
01:01:09.599 --> 01:01:14.599
paid writers, but have scientists consultancy so that we can

890
01:01:15.199 --> 01:01:20.440
even put some real science back into Star Trek based

891
01:01:20.440 --> 01:01:24.719
on what's going on with NASA in the real world

892
01:01:24.760 --> 01:01:28.440
and exploration. So that's what I'm hoping for.

893
01:01:32.719 --> 01:01:34.960
And what about you, Jay Dodd, do you think Star

894
01:01:35.000 --> 01:01:42.639
Trek can survive in the world of streaming? Yes? Of course.

895
01:01:43.000 --> 01:01:50.519
Again, the thing is that, well, okay you were yeah,

896
01:01:50.559 --> 01:01:53.480
So going back to what you were saying that and

897
01:01:53.719 --> 01:01:59.920
what we so and so is on done for four years?

898
01:02:00.119 --> 01:02:04.800
Three years? Okay, the card we knew it had a beginning,

899
01:02:05.239 --> 01:02:09.440
a middle, and an end. Part of it was Patrick

900
01:02:09.480 --> 01:02:14.360
Stewart's involvement with her, right. He was saying, if if

901
01:02:14.400 --> 01:02:18.559
I find that it's the right story, I'll do it.

902
01:02:19.119 --> 01:02:20.920
I don't know if we'll see him again, he's eighty

903
01:02:20.960 --> 01:02:24.199
five years old. I don't know, but we knew what

904
01:02:24.239 --> 01:02:29.960
to expect. My question is, did they from the beginning

905
01:02:30.239 --> 01:02:33.719
just oh, we're gonna have to cancel Discovery, We're gonna

906
01:02:33.719 --> 01:02:37.159
have to cancel or did they know they wanted to

907
01:02:37.239 --> 01:02:40.559
do it for a certain amount of time. If you're

908
01:02:40.559 --> 01:02:47.599
gonna be up tell us, okay, guys, you have five years.

909
01:02:49.840 --> 01:02:54.400
I mean again going back to I have to go

910
01:02:54.480 --> 01:02:58.480
back to broadcast television because you have soap operas that

911
01:02:58.480 --> 01:03:04.199
have been on for or since nineteen sixty something. I

912
01:03:04.239 --> 01:03:08.360
don't know how much. I don't know if we could

913
01:03:08.440 --> 01:03:11.840
do that with science fiction or with Star Trek, I

914
01:03:11.880 --> 01:03:15.679
mean something going for seven years, like which what TNG

915
01:03:16.000 --> 01:03:21.719
and DS ninety Enterprise was the first show that got

916
01:03:21.800 --> 01:03:24.159
clipped at forty years?

917
01:03:24.559 --> 01:03:26.159
Right, So.

918
01:03:27.599 --> 01:03:34.119
What is it that they're concerned about is its syndication

919
01:03:34.719 --> 01:03:36.519
doesn't play a part anymore?

920
01:03:36.880 --> 01:03:37.079
Right?

921
01:03:37.239 --> 01:03:41.760
With streaming, you're not going to find at least as

922
01:03:41.760 --> 01:03:46.760
far as we know, these episodes on broadcast television. They

923
01:03:46.840 --> 01:03:55.480
have shown the pilot of Discovery on CBS. Okay, but still, though,

924
01:03:56.679 --> 01:04:00.639
whatever cost it is, be upfront, tell us that you

925
01:04:00.719 --> 01:04:03.039
have five years to do or six years.

926
01:04:04.119 --> 01:04:04.480
Okay.

927
01:04:05.400 --> 01:04:11.320
If the show is gonna be crappy, then we're gonna reconsider.

928
01:04:11.760 --> 01:04:15.400
But let's I think we need to have an upfront situation.

929
01:04:15.800 --> 01:04:19.400
Do you Does that make sense to be told it's

930
01:04:19.440 --> 01:04:22.760
gonna you have five years or two years or three years,

931
01:04:23.559 --> 01:04:30.159
so we can work within those parameters. Okay, So that's that.

932
01:04:30.960 --> 01:04:34.079
The other thing is I was also going back to broadcast,

933
01:04:34.119 --> 01:04:46.920
So h h is streaming a the future? That's what

934
01:04:47.079 --> 01:04:53.920
I am wondering about, because like, are the TVs that

935
01:04:54.000 --> 01:04:58.760
we have are not like the console TVs our parents

936
01:04:58.760 --> 01:05:03.400
and grandparents have. It's the habits of people watching television

937
01:05:03.960 --> 01:05:06.199
is not like it used to be way back when.

938
01:05:07.000 --> 01:05:11.039
So the thing is that we're things are a bit different.

939
01:05:11.719 --> 01:05:17.239
So why isn't all the other shows on streaming? Why

940
01:05:17.239 --> 01:05:24.440
do we still have broadcasts? Why don't they throw everything

941
01:05:24.519 --> 01:05:25.239
on streaming?

942
01:05:26.000 --> 01:05:29.360
Because of my parents what.

943
01:05:29.519 --> 01:05:31.599
Your parents are.

944
01:05:32.559 --> 01:05:39.519
Can't do streaming whatsoever. But a lot of people there

945
01:05:39.519 --> 01:05:42.880
are still generations out there that can't do this.

946
01:05:44.079 --> 01:05:45.599
But isn't it the future?

947
01:05:45.679 --> 01:05:45.920
Though?

948
01:05:46.480 --> 01:05:50.599
Is streaming? Or is it? Like, well, I like to

949
01:05:50.679 --> 01:05:55.119
get my media on, Like Jim, you still have records, right.

950
01:05:56.519 --> 01:05:56.639
You?

951
01:05:57.039 --> 01:06:01.519
Or you bought records, And it's it's like I'm thinking,

952
01:06:01.519 --> 01:06:04.480
and I've even a few years back when they started,

953
01:06:04.639 --> 01:06:07.480
I was thinking, what the hell? Okay, we had a progression,

954
01:06:07.800 --> 01:06:11.840
we went we had cassettes, we had a tract tapes,

955
01:06:12.159 --> 01:06:15.280
and then we went to CDs, and then we went

956
01:06:15.320 --> 01:06:18.400
to DVDs and Blu rays, and then we went to

957
01:06:18.559 --> 01:06:22.920
super Blu rays and and then we have VCR tapes

958
01:06:22.960 --> 01:06:26.239
and high end VCR and then that, and then we

959
01:06:26.280 --> 01:06:31.239
had DVD recordable machines, right, and that went by the wayside.

960
01:06:31.800 --> 01:06:35.239
I love the idea of DVD recordable machines. But the

961
01:06:35.360 --> 01:06:41.519
thing is that but then we're seeing that it's streams

962
01:06:41.559 --> 01:06:46.519
streaming a niche then is it is? I don't know.

963
01:06:49.519 --> 01:06:53.840
I would like to find that out. How many people

964
01:06:53.880 --> 01:06:57.159
are watching streaming thing?

965
01:06:57.840 --> 01:06:59.519
I have no clue?

966
01:07:00.599 --> 01:07:04.880
And is it the future? I thought, so, so why

967
01:07:04.880 --> 01:07:11.679
can't we find Yeah.

968
01:07:09.800 --> 01:07:14.239
I think it's I think it's millions upon probably billions

969
01:07:14.199 --> 01:07:18.119
of people who are streaming. So, I mean, to Ellen

970
01:07:18.280 --> 01:07:21.440
point there, it is a generational thing. I think that

971
01:07:21.639 --> 01:07:25.079
it is that they still have the broadcasting because there's

972
01:07:25.119 --> 01:07:28.239
just a lot of people who don't know or own

973
01:07:28.519 --> 01:07:31.400
even a phone for instance. I mean I actually have

974
01:07:31.480 --> 01:07:35.320
from some friends who don't own telephone or cell phones.

975
01:07:35.360 --> 01:07:38.679
I mean, so to them, they're just like, it's not

976
01:07:38.719 --> 01:07:40.559
that they don't know how to handle it or anything,

977
01:07:40.599 --> 01:07:44.559
it's just that they just choose not to so to me,

978
01:07:44.639 --> 01:07:50.239
it's like, yeah, okay, you know the future is I

979
01:07:50.320 --> 01:07:53.320
believe is streaming to what Jerry was saying, and I

980
01:07:53.400 --> 01:07:57.800
believe that the it's gonna be, it's gonna evolve beyond that.

981
01:07:57.880 --> 01:08:00.400
I think we're gonna probably end up getting hold one

982
01:08:00.480 --> 01:08:06.119
day something I don't know, but yeah, I hope that

983
01:08:06.199 --> 01:08:09.400
answered your question. But Jim, what do you think?

984
01:08:10.880 --> 01:08:13.800
I think? I think broadcast is dead. It's never going

985
01:08:13.840 --> 01:08:16.279
to come back because people don't want to be glued

986
01:08:16.279 --> 01:08:19.239
to their TV Wednesday night at eight o'clock. They want

987
01:08:19.279 --> 01:08:21.760
to watch Star Trek when they want to watch it

988
01:08:22.000 --> 01:08:26.319
on their phone, on their iPad, on their computer, you know,

989
01:08:26.479 --> 01:08:31.319
on their watch in their car. I think the days

990
01:08:31.359 --> 01:08:33.640
of running home to watch Star Trek Wednesday night at

991
01:08:33.640 --> 01:08:36.680
eight o'clock on Fox twenty three are along gone and

992
01:08:36.760 --> 01:08:41.039
will never do that. And people are cutting the cord

993
01:08:41.159 --> 01:08:45.199
with cable because cable is just expensive as hell. Not

994
01:08:45.359 --> 01:08:51.119
that having fifteen streaming services isn't expensive either, but I

995
01:08:51.159 --> 01:08:56.359
think that that streaming streaming is still growing. But I

996
01:08:56.399 --> 01:08:59.319
think network is going to be dead. I think the

997
01:08:59.439 --> 01:09:05.680
days of of the Big three are now just like telephones.

998
01:09:06.079 --> 01:09:08.640
You know, who has a landline in there use anymore.

999
01:09:09.520 --> 01:09:13.960
My grandparents maybe, but you know, people have cell phones,

1000
01:09:14.199 --> 01:09:18.479
they don't have landlines anymore. So yeah, I think streaming

1001
01:09:18.600 --> 01:09:20.840
is the thing of the future. I think it's it's

1002
01:09:20.880 --> 01:09:25.159
an it's infancy, right. I think it's going to change.

1003
01:09:25.479 --> 01:09:27.199
But I don't think we're ever going to go back

1004
01:09:27.239 --> 01:09:32.119
to network broadcast TV again. I think that's I think

1005
01:09:32.159 --> 01:09:35.439
that boat has sailed, you know. I mean, yeah, I

1006
01:09:36.159 --> 01:09:39.159
do have records. I had records back in the day,

1007
01:09:39.640 --> 01:09:42.319
but buying a piece of media versus having to sit

1008
01:09:42.399 --> 01:09:44.600
home at eight o'clock on Wednesday night can watch Stars

1009
01:09:44.600 --> 01:09:48.720
records a different beach altogether. So we pretty much wrapped

1010
01:09:48.800 --> 01:09:53.159
up our time here. So hard to believe. So I

1011
01:09:53.199 --> 01:09:55.000
want to take a minute here and say thank you

1012
01:09:55.039 --> 01:09:57.560
so much to David for hanging out on this Saturday

1013
01:09:57.600 --> 01:10:02.119
afternoon and chatting with us about streaming and Star Trek

1014
01:10:02.199 --> 01:10:04.000
and even though you don't have to work any of

1015
01:10:04.039 --> 01:10:08.000
your miracles with any of the videos because today's show

1016
01:10:08.039 --> 01:10:11.520
is going to be strictly audio only, but thank you

1017
01:10:11.560 --> 01:10:12.359
so much, David.

1018
01:10:12.880 --> 01:10:17.279
Yeah, you're welcome. I probably missed a show this on Saturday,

1019
01:10:17.319 --> 01:10:19.239
but I don't worry. I can a stream it.

1020
01:10:19.279 --> 01:10:26.000
Later excellent, and I also want to take them here.

1021
01:10:26.479 --> 01:10:28.560
I just say thank you to my good friends Jay

1022
01:10:28.600 --> 01:10:32.600
Dog and Schenectady, New York, and they're joining us for

1023
01:10:32.640 --> 01:10:34.840
the first time ever. So I want to say thank

1024
01:10:34.880 --> 01:10:37.079
you so much to Jay Dog and Ellen for joining us.

1025
01:10:37.079 --> 01:10:45.479
Thank you guys, thanks for having us. It's it's good

1026
01:10:45.600 --> 01:10:51.479
and it's good to have more people to get involved.

1027
01:10:52.159 --> 01:10:55.399
That's really good. Yep, we got a got a good

1028
01:10:55.439 --> 01:11:00.439
mix there, you know, So thank you.

1029
01:11:00.520 --> 01:11:05.159
Jim Oh, You're very welcome. Jay DOGG. We'll have to

1030
01:11:05.199 --> 01:11:07.720
do this again, and I want to mind all you

1031
01:11:07.800 --> 01:11:10.560
guys and tune in on Thursday night The Truck Talking

1032
01:11:10.640 --> 01:11:15.239
and Beyond will be Bigger and Bennett and ever. It'll

1033
01:11:15.239 --> 01:11:18.840
be our first show of twenty twenty six. And David,

1034
01:11:19.079 --> 01:11:21.560
what episode is it going to be?

1035
01:11:24.000 --> 01:11:29.479
Uh uh uh six and sixty five and a half.

1036
01:11:29.600 --> 01:11:32.640
I want to say, yeah, the six hundred and it's

1037
01:11:32.640 --> 01:11:35.680
hard to believe that six hundred and sixty six and

1038
01:11:35.720 --> 01:11:38.680
we're gonna be bringing a comic corner.

1039
01:11:39.720 --> 01:11:44.359
New Year, so we'll be talking about Start Comics and uh,

1040
01:11:44.479 --> 01:11:46.720
David'll be back with all of his tricks and all

1041
01:11:46.760 --> 01:11:49.640
of his videos and now we're going to be doing

1042
01:11:49.720 --> 01:11:51.640
that gonvia with Uncle Jim.

1043
01:11:51.640 --> 01:11:53.239
I'll give you guys a little thame. It's going to

1044
01:11:53.279 --> 01:11:57.880
be our favorite side by the songs. So David has

1045
01:11:57.920 --> 01:12:00.439
a little leg up on the rest of my Trek

1046
01:12:00.479 --> 01:12:04.359
sports on that one. We'll tell you this, David, I

1047
01:12:04.439 --> 01:12:09.119
specifically picked some that I know you're gonna know, and

1048
01:12:09.159 --> 01:12:11.359
it has nothing to do with Queen or Flashcat.

1049
01:12:11.960 --> 01:12:13.560
It's probably gonna be punched.

1050
01:12:14.399 --> 01:12:16.680
So it will be stuff that you know for sure,

1051
01:12:17.119 --> 01:12:20.000
So I mean most the host Uncle Jim saying everybody,

1052
01:12:20.239 --> 01:12:22.800
please stay safe. I hope you had a happy, happy

1053
01:12:22.840 --> 01:12:26.319
New Year. Welcome to twenty twenty six, and please head

1054
01:12:26.319 --> 01:12:28.720
over to Truck Talking dot com. Check out all of

1055
01:12:28.720 --> 01:12:31.760
our previous shows. Go over to Truck Talking and Beyond

1056
01:12:31.800 --> 01:12:33.880
on Facebook, give us a like, give us a follow.

1057
01:12:33.880 --> 01:12:35.560
We'd love to have. It was part of our Star

1058
01:12:35.680 --> 01:12:38.840
Trek family. And thank you to Jerry and Ellen for

1059
01:12:38.880 --> 01:12:42.239
hanging out down there and Schenectady my old stomping ground.

1060
01:12:42.760 --> 01:12:45.720
And we will be back again on Thursday night. And

1061
01:12:45.880 --> 01:12:48.000
so a lot of guys have a good night and

1062
01:12:48.159 --> 01:12:50.000
we will see you on Thursday.

1063
01:12:50.600 --> 01:12:52.720
Good night, All.

1064
01:12:52.640 --> 01:13:00.439
Stations ready for departure. Sir, some problem right is hoping

1065
01:13:00.479 --> 01:13:02.239
this isn't the usual way ourmissions will.

1066
01:13:02.079 --> 01:13:06.039
Go, Sir, Oh no Number one. I'm sure most will

1067
01:13:06.079 --> 01:13:24.760
be much more interesting. Let's see what's out there. Engage