Nov. 1, 2025

Episode 660- Khan audio drama episode 5 "Magical Thinking" review

Episode 660- Khan audio drama episode 5 "Magical Thinking" review
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In this lively podcast episode, Uncle Jim and the hosts celebrate Halloween while engaging in discussions about Star Trek, movie trivia, and fan interactions. They introduce themselves and their guests, share exciting announcements, and dive into fan shout-outs. The conversation shifts to a debate on the characters Kai Wen and Nero, exploring their villainy and cultural implications. The hosts also discuss the significance of cultural sensitivity in Star Trek narratives and wrap up with a fun trivia segment focused on movie taglines. In this episode, the hosts engage in a lively discussion about various Star Trek taglines, explore the complexities of Khan's journey in Episode Five, and analyze the role of aliens in the narrative. They delve into character development, sound design, and share their ratings and expectations for future episodes. The conversation also touches on the upcoming Starfleet Academy series, reflecting on its potential impact on the Star Trek legacy.
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turn bout Simitar death of Tashi Yah Flash Gordon Brogs,

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Don't Prison, Clone Wars, James Holden, Tweaky.

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John conn Against.

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We talk about the series coming to your services now

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talking about.

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Us, we didn't.

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Well.

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Good evening, Trekkies and trekkers around the globe. I'my most

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excellent host, Uncle Jim. Welcome to the podcast. Happy Halloween

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Eve for those of you who celebrate Halloween. This Charles

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and I used to do. It's the Great Pumpkin Charlie Brown,

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remember those back in the old days.

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Charles, h you did the show. I never actually got

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a chance to join you on one of those. We

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did the Halloween Music one year, but we didn't do

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the Charlie Brown one.

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That's right, you weren't around at the time, but at

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any rate, just makes me remember looking at Eric's background,

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I thought of the Great Pumpkin Charlie Brown, and we

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used to do that on the podcast. We're not going

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to do that tonight, but we do have some fun plan.

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It's October thirtieth, twenty twenty five, and this is episode

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six hundred and sixty wouldn't it been Wouldn't it have

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been odd if this was episode six hundred and sixty six,

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But it's not, you.

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Know, honestly, Jim, like we probably lost count along the

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way at some point, so it very well could be.

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And right, it could be, so in which case all

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kinds of fun stuff can happen. So I'd like to

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introduce you guys to my awesome, awesome tre Experts, and

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we're going to start off with Paul. Paul is out

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in Portland. How you doing tonight, Paul, Welcome to the show.

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Thanks Michael, Jim, I'm doing well, doing well on this

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eve before all hallowsy and got to throw in a

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shameless plug for any cinema fans or horror fans listening,

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including truckxperts. If you are all a fan of Great

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movies and you have this playing in your neighborhood, run

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to see Gi Aermo de Toro's Frankenstein. It's hitting Netflix

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in about a week. If you're, you know, content with streaming,

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that's fine. But if you're lucky enough to live in

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a town like we do in Portland, where this is

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a numerous movie theaters, this is a big screen experience

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that I have not had the likes of in a while.

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It's pretty spectacular. So if you're a del Toro fan,

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you do not want to miss this picture. It's amazing.

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So I've been kind of riding high ever since I

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saw that list Friday.

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It's just if I ever moved, I'm moving to Portland.

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If I move out of the sticks of Vermont, I'm

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going to move to Portland. There's something in the water

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up there. I don't know, but I'm gonna move to Portland,

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I promise you. And we also have with us from

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you guessed it Portland, we have Eric. How you doing tonight, Eric,

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Welcome to the show.

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Hey, I am doing really well. I decided to dress

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up in my uniform, which I always dress up in

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around this time of year. This is just my T

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shirt version I have the full of course dress uniform

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that I wear to the office tomorrow. As a matter

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of fact, I always have to think whether or not

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I want to schedule site visits because of an architect right,

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So I can schedule visits out to construction sites on Halloween,

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but it means that I must go in my Star

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Trek uniform. So you know there's a certain amount of planning,

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either for or against that that has to be done

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this time of year.

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Well, actually, when we get around to our fans shout

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outs are all every single one of our Patreon people

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will be able to see you in your uniform as

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well as me as a plan on from Trek Honor

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Roga a few years ago, So you guys can look

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out for that. And guess what. We also have our

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miracle worker David. And you're never going to guess where

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David is also hailing for that's right Oklahoma, Nope, he's

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in Portland. Welcome to the show, David. Thanks.

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Yeah, since we're talking about dresh up, I decided to

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dress up as you guys are next to a neighbors,

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so you know.

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That's cool.

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Just like them.

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Wow, Yes, you do.

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Good job, and I'm pretty good show not from.

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Portland, but from Las Vegas. You can see the pond

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trees in the background. We have a very own Charles.

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How you doing tonight?

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Charles?

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If I put on the costume might distract people a

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little bit. Cloaks back in the house. But I was

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a sort of a Mickey Mouse sorcerer with the cloak

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and all the staff. But I am very happy today.

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It's my Friday because tomorrow is a state holiday for Navade.

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So cool holiday, and I get.

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The Nevada Day. It is the day Nevada joined the

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Union in eighteen sixty four. I believe it is eighteen

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sixty We joined the Union on October thirty first, so

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it's an official state holiday. And actually, because it's on Friday,

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we actually get this Friday off. Otherwise we get the

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last Friday, right Friday in October off.

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Sure, excellent, that's not too bad. Yeah, we have joining

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us shortly. We have v from Virginia. She's not here now,

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but she will be here shortly, so I want to

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give her a shout out. So when she just pops

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on the screen, you guys know who she is. You

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guys can go over and visit us at Trek talkin

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dot com and over there you find all kinds of

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great stuff, including all of our archive shows. There's all

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six hundred and sixty there. I think there's only four

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hundred and fifty nine that are archives, but you can

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find all pretty much all the stuff there. While you're there,

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we're playing on the podcast, so check that out. You

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can also visit us on YouTube dot com back slash

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Trek Talking, which is cool. Tonight we're going to be

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discussing the audio drama Star Trek Con the fifth episode,

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Imagination's Limits. That's going to be really cool. It was

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a really good episode. We also have our fans shout

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outs where we thank fans just like you right there

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after supporting the podcast and listening to us. We also

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have our polls tonight, Win versus near Row and through

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this one up there just for Eric and we also

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have blood Wine for All Not So Fast. You'll have

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to check out what those polls are about. David put

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together some interesting videos to go along with those as well.

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And what actor do you share a birthday with? Find

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out on our sci five birthdays. We have some really

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good ones coming up. I think you're going to enjoy them.

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And what's going on around the Star Trek universe. Guess

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what he's back? Shatner says what, and Eric is going

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to fill you in on exactly what Shatner has to

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say is warp a reality? I don't know. Charles will

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fill you in on that. And we have a Star

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Trek Starfleet Academy update as well. And before we get started,

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you guys can go over to our talking dot com

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page anytime there's a little green talkback mike there where

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you can record a message for us, or, as Nick

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Fury did in this case, you can leave us a

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message and Nick Fury says, keep up the good work, guys.

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It's amazing how long you have been at this fine production,

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keeping us entertained and informed. Shout out to Uncle Jim

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to keep on trekking. So thank you so much to

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Nick Fury. You guys can head over to trek talkin

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dot com and leave a message for us just like

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Nick did, or record one and we'll play it right

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here live the air. All right, guys. So this is

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the part of the show where we move into our

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fan shout outs, as I said, where we think guys

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just like you for listening to us, and David will

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roll the intro. Maybe there we go, okay, and Eric

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is going to start us off.

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Nice opening graphic. I love it. That's beautiful.

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Okay.

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First shout out this week goes out to Stewart Cook,

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who sang hello to us from Worcestershire in Droit, which

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I believe that's just across the pond if I'm not

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mistaken there, Paul. That is an amazing area of the

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world and I would love to visit one day, and

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I promise you I'm coming very soon. Stuart Cook. I'm

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sure that you're enjoying some delicious weather, which I actually

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do like. It's quite similar to the type of weather

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we have and food probably anyway, thanks for saying hi, Stuart.

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Also saying hello this week to Avonda Stena, Vonda, Stena.

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I know the first one is correct. The last one

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might be Stainer from Rio de Janeiro in Brazil, sending

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us that beautiful Brazilian flag and we're saying hello and

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live long and prosper to you. Vanda also saying hello

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this week to Isabelle Lecky, who sang hello to us

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from Norwich in the UK. And last, but not least

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on my list, I have Andreas Mitz who sang hello

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to us from Dresden in Deutsch lant, Charles, what do

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you want to say hi to?

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All right, let's start off with a welcome to Ron

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Dally from East Texas. Welcome Ron, it's welcome herem in

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the and Davis Sasalita is from Mexico and says live

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long and prosper Welcome Hiram. Welcome. Frank Clark from Ashville,

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North Carolina thinks a calming down in Ashville. Welcome w

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o'brillen bro Brian from Siskayne, Pennsylvania, just outside of Philadelphia.

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And since I don't CEV, Welcome Carrie. Carrie stiff Cock

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from Ontario, Canada. Gives us a Canadian flag and live

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long and prosper and the Falcan salute. Welcome. Wyatt Stone

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from Atlanta, Georgia. Welcome White, who also gives the Vulcan salute.

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Welcome Mark Hall from north eastern Minnesota. When I was

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getting cold up there. Welcome Mark, and welcome Roger. We

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are from State State College, Pennsylvania. Welcome Roger, Paul, who's

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on your list?

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Hik you Charles, appreciate that we've got all kinds of folks.

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Let's move over to the international contingent of Star Trek

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andandom and enthusiasm. First of all, let's head south to Cordoba, Argentina,

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where our pal Emilio Giannasi is saying hello. Great to

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know we have folks south of the Equator who are

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big fans of Star Trek. And if you're ready for

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a little whiplash, we'll head back over across the Atlantic

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to Greece to Salonica City, where our pal Ionis Karagianaidis

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is saying hello to us from parts of the great

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Greek Isles. Great to know that you're out there, Ionis.

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And this person is being a little ambiguous with where

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they live. They simply admit that they live in France,

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in a little town near Marseille. They will keep to themselves.

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So well, it's up to us to peruse the maps

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near Marseille and try to guess where our good buddy

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savet Steph Gitu is living Savet Steph Gitu so, I

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think you're living in a very wonderful part of the

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world though, Savet Steph, so any place in locality to

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Marseilles is a wonderful place to live. And rising fan

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Kathy Pierce is saying hello to us from Devon in

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the United Kingdom. I've got some pals in Devon, Kathy.

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You don't know the Palmer clan by chance, do you?

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If so, you should go and rap on their door

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because they are also like minded science fiction peeps. So

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proof once again, friends that Star Trek is an international phenomenon.

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Then in theory you should bring us all closer together

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in theory, Uncle Jim, who do you got there? Anybody

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from the USMA?

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I quite possibly. Thank you so much, Paul. Well, first,

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I'd like to say hello and thank you and welcome

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to Jean Marsenek from Brooklyn, New York. Guys, that's right, Brooklyn,

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New York. I spent a lot of summers down in Brooklyn,

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New York, so welcome to the podcast, Gene. I also

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want to say hello and welcome to Drew Evans, who's

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in Glenwood Springs, Colorado. Thank you so much to Drew

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with a stick. All right, guys, it's now it's time

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for our Star Trek polls, which means the polling song.

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You know me like no win what you thought about

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the show? Then we try.

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To share your opinions with all of our minions out

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there because they listen worldwide.

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Tell us just what you think. Get together we.

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Will all tern Canara and romulin An.

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I just love the song Eric every time I hear it.

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It's an awesome song. All right, guys, over talking and beyond.

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I always throw some poles up there for you guys

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to get some interaction and have some fun, just to

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get some conversations going on. And when I put up

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a poll, David puts together a video. So David, you

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want to roll the clip.

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In a manner of speaking, not apparently in your manner

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of speaking. Perhaps we should discuss this after class. Do

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you believe the celestial temple of the Prophets exists within

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the passage? I respect that the bejoined people believe that

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it does. But that's not what you teach. No, I

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don't teach bijoined spiritual beliefs. That's your job. Mine is

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to open the children's minds, to history, to literature, to mathematics,

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to science. You are opening the children's minds to blasphemy,

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and I cannot permit it to continue. The emissary couldn't

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escort me himself.

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He's with his son.

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I would think he'd want to thank me for what

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I prevented, the destruction of the station. I saved the

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emissary's life and the life of his son.

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Don't pretend you did it for the captain.

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I did it for Bajor. If you haven't heard, the

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floodwaters have receded and the earthquakes have stopped, and you're

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going to take credit for that. I take it as

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a sign I did the right thing. You defied the

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will of the prophets, and you did it because you

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couldn't stand.

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The fact that a human, an infidel, had a stronger.

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Faith than you. The emissary was willing to sacrifice his own.

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Son to say the prophets my faith is as pure

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as the emissaries.

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I think you're confusing faith with ambition.

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I'm not confusing anything.

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Child. You are.

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The prophets chose you as their instrument. That doesn't mean

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you can speak for them because of your interference. The

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reckoning was stopped. The evil still exists, and I'm not

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sure if even the prophets know what that will mean

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for Bajor.

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It's all rights, Elevator.

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Look at the ship I used to leave with this craft.

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Who's your commander? Is that him?

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I will speak for Captain Meroe and ask Captain Nero

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what gives him the right to attack a Federation biscle.

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Do you know the location of ambassador's spock?

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I'm unfamiliar with ambassador's spock?

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What is the current star date?

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Star date.

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Twenty two thirty three zero four.

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Where you're from? Certain it's another face sim destroyed to

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a part of edom.

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You must have a lot of questions me.

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I only have one for you.

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I need so space frequencies and stoffleets border protection WUIDS

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specifically goes surrounding Earth. Christopher answer my question. No, you

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answer for the genocide you just committed against a Peastville

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and I prevent the genocide.

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And when I lost her, I promised my self retribution,

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and for twenty five years I planned my revenge against

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the Federation and from Goblin it's like to live a

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normal life.

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I did not forget the.

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Pain you will give me the frequencies to disable Earth defenses,

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Sentaorium slucks the latch.

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Onto your brain.

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Stem, and Releasa talks have forced you to answer frequencies

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pretty served. Christopher Pike kept the us A center.

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Rize as your wrested.

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All right, so you've seen the clip, Eric, what's the

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question and what did our minions have to say?

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All right? The clips there were all about, of course

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Kaiwen and Nero from the Kelvin Timeline movies. And so

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the question was who is a more dangerous adversary? And

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forty two percent of our responders said that kai Win

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was a more dangerous adversary, and fifty seven percent said

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that Nero was a more dangerous adversary. And this interesting

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question because it sort of like depends on your definition

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of dangerous adversary. I think, like, if I had a

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badass starship like the Scimitar, Nero's probably the guy I'm

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gonna want at the helm. But if I want some

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like insidious behind the scenes like Dune style drama, Kaiwin

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Adami is going to be my gal. So, uh, of

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course I love Kaiwin. I think she's the best villain

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of all time. In Star Trek song, I'm gonna say

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I'm against a million minions, but not for any real

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good reason other than my personal prejudice.

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All right, how about you, Paul, what do you think? Wow?

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That clip from Star Trek that is not age well Man.

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That does not look good nowadays. It looks bad, Like wow,

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it looks like television almost. It's yeah, I think that's

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a for me. It's it's a no brainer. I don't

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know how we got fifty narrow, right, I just do not.

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Kai Win's like a Shakespearean villain. She's like the embodiment

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of every like demagogue who's you know, drank deep from

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the well of religious zelotry, right, I mean guys of

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you know, personal ambition. She's a monster. She's a terrible

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person and just done horrific you know things throughout many

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many episodes of Deep Space nine. Nero's like not a

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good villain. He's just not He's really poorly drawn and

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like Eric Bana, I do no Offenser, but I just

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don't think they gave you anything good to work with

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except this really poorly sketched a bad guy trope. So yeah,

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to me, is no contest, absolutely win.

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All right. We got two votes for Kai Win against

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the minions.

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How about you v Hi yay I made it sorry,

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nothing like going to I have aween party, a word

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party and dressing in you know, Star Trek. Yeah, definitely

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win Kai win is I've seen her called the space Karen.

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But Louise, I mean he had Louise Fletcher for crying

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out loud. She got an oscar for playing Nurse Ratchet

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in in one Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest. So she

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brought a lot of that evilness. I think to Kai

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and Seeming, I mean, raise your hand if you ever

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wanted to scream when she called people child all the time,

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I mean, yes, I'm gonna waste you, throw you into

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the fire cave. And also she you know, bumped Aglease

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with U the Bajoran version of Ducat, So that was

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she kind of she had that.

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She she deserved that to be by him.

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That's the best because I just I watched whatever episode

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it was when he's he's at the Bajoran Ducat and

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she's looking pouring over the cost Emogen book.

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And she looks up and says, why are you still here?

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And he says, well, what do you want me to do?

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And she just says leave.

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That's just like, that's just like the best burn. Just

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just get out of here, you know. So yep, so

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she's that person you love to.

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Hate, all right. All right, so we have three votes

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against the minions. How about you, Charles?

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Okay, I am surprised at the Minion vote on this

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as of how many fans don't like Star Trek two

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thousand and nine. Now, you actually picked one of the

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clips that I use as an argument one time about

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I think Star Trek influences. We discussed something was you

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Jim and Eric and I discussed one time, and I

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talked about ky Wynn that specific episode of her defense

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against China to say, okay, we got to include religion

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and education. But okay, you're going to sit there and say,

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oh you got to sit there and teach Brajeorgian religion.

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What about the people that are not Bajoring? Oh, I know,

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I think Nero maybe had his moments, but kai Win

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was seriously trying to undermine and control how things that

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have Sorrowfuleet affected and what they were trying to do

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with with a federation on station. Oh no, definitely a

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strong vote for kai Win.

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All right. So so four Truxperts are definitely against Dominions,

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how about you, David.

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Well, though there was a whole lot, boy, I wanted

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to put in for kaiwin because she went through the

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entire seven seasons of detail, I could only really do

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it all in like two minutes. But I mean that's fine.

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I'm just saying that there was a lot of episodes

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I wanted to hear, but it was one thing that

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I would have to shay that. I am actually kind

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of shot that the Minions went with Nero on there,

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because I actually thought it was gonna be win but

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apparently not. But I'm gonna have to go with against

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Dominions on this one because I think it's win Domini for.

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The win, Win for the win. All right, Well that's

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I like that. I like that. That's good. So you know,

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I'm gonna go with Dominions on this one because I

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think Nero was by far more dangerous. He had all

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that advanced ORG technology, He destroyed Vulcan, he tried to

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destroy the Federation, and he was just a bad, nasty dude.

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On the killing spree, he destroyed all those Federation ships,

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killed all those people, and it was just a bad egg.

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So I'm I'm gonna go with the onions. Not that

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win was it nasty? But then Winn was a different

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type of She was a backstabbing you know, back room,

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I'm gonna you're not gonna know from where the axe

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fell that kills you, whereas Nero will just come up

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and shoot you in a face. So I think there

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are two different types of villains in that case. But

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that's why I asked the questions. All right, so we

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have in this case the minions have been outvoted by

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the truck's purpose, all right. So that brings us to

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the next one. This is a short one, is a

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very short one, and David, you want to roll the

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clip real quick. This there's a moment worth savoring. Then

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to victory. Hard fumped, I will earned.

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What's wrong suddenly, I'm not thirsty, neither of mine. Before

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you waste too many tears.

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Remember these are Cardassians, like dead at your feet. But

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Jorans would call this poetic justice.

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That doesn't mean I have to drink a toast over

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their bodies.

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Shoot, pop, got judge.

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All right, there you go. You guys saw the clip

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at Eric? What's the question?

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Oh man, I wish I knew what he said there.

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So when the Dominions surrendered, Martalk offers Ross and Cisco

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blood wine among the ruins of the enemy. They refuse.

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Do you agree with that decision? And sixty six percent

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of our responders said yes, I agree with that decision.

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They should have tossed the blood wine out. Thirty four

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percent of our responders said no. Of course, reasons are

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not given. And because I get to read these things,

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I get to give my opinion first, and I'm against

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the Minions again on this one. I think this is wrong, man, Like,

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here's the deal. There are cultural forces at work here, right,

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And one of your fellow warriors just offered you, like

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probably the greatest honor in an after battle type situation

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that you could ever be offered, and you pour it

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out in front of his face. That is extremely culturally insensitive,

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and I don't like it. So I'm against the Minions.

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And there was a clip right before that where they're

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attacking Chintaka and Martox says to Ross and Cisco he'll

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meet them at the capitol or whatever, and we'll drink

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blood wine to our victory. And they both said, we

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look forward to seeing you there, so they knew they

474
00:31:21.799 --> 00:31:25.519
they knew. Yeah, they basically said, you know, hey, the

475
00:31:25.519 --> 00:31:27.519
hell with you, and they didn't do it.

476
00:31:27.799 --> 00:31:31.759
And I think it's both Like both Cisco and Ross

477
00:31:31.799 --> 00:31:33.759
have seen battle, right, so it's not like this is

478
00:31:33.799 --> 00:31:39.400
their first battle situation. And so to me in that moment,

479
00:31:39.480 --> 00:31:41.559
when they're like, yeah, we'll see at the other end

480
00:31:41.599 --> 00:31:44.519
of this thing, like they know what they're in for, right,

481
00:31:44.559 --> 00:31:47.680
it's no surprise. So yeah, absolutely it was an insult.

482
00:31:48.240 --> 00:31:51.799
Yeah, And and the Klingons are one of their biggest allies.

483
00:31:51.839 --> 00:31:53.960
If it wasn't for the Klingons, they would have lost

484
00:31:54.079 --> 00:31:58.440
that war. And it was a long, bloody war. And

485
00:31:58.519 --> 00:32:02.039
I understand what they were trying to say by not

486
00:32:02.119 --> 00:32:04.519
doing it, because war is never a pretty thing, it's

487
00:32:04.559 --> 00:32:08.559
never a good thing. It's a last resort, shouldn't be celebrated.

488
00:32:08.599 --> 00:32:11.200
But in this particular case, I'm with you, Eric. I

489
00:32:11.200 --> 00:32:14.960
think it's the Klingons. It's their cultural way. They knew

490
00:32:15.000 --> 00:32:18.319
it going in and they should have. They should have,

491
00:32:19.519 --> 00:32:23.519
you know, respected Martak and done it. So I'm with you.

492
00:32:23.880 --> 00:32:24.920
How about you, Paul.

493
00:32:27.200 --> 00:32:32.559
Well, it's a tough one. I get the cultural sensitivity

494
00:32:32.799 --> 00:32:36.559
lens thing, but I think there's something bigger going on here.

495
00:32:36.559 --> 00:32:37.920
I mean, it's.

496
00:32:37.759 --> 00:32:39.880
Easy to get behind the raw rah rah oh. The

497
00:32:39.960 --> 00:32:43.519
Klingons are so fun, like jolly pirates with their blood

498
00:32:43.519 --> 00:32:45.720
wine and whatnot, right, I mean, it's easy to get think. Oh,

499
00:32:45.759 --> 00:32:47.680
of course I would drink blood wine because it's their way,

500
00:32:47.720 --> 00:32:50.880
because Klingons are so fun. But I cannot even watch

501
00:32:50.920 --> 00:32:55.720
the scene without thinking about like Daza, I can't, you know.

502
00:32:55.839 --> 00:32:59.039
I mean, it's basically, you're standing under the decimated ruins

503
00:32:59.079 --> 00:33:02.119
of you know, thousands of corpses. Do I want a

504
00:33:02.200 --> 00:33:05.039
toast to that there were a time that that's appropriate

505
00:33:05.200 --> 00:33:07.119
or that feels good that you want to do that? No,

506
00:33:07.599 --> 00:33:09.799
I just I just I just can't get behind it

507
00:33:09.839 --> 00:33:13.279
because you know, it's like, yeah, respect my talk's ability

508
00:33:13.319 --> 00:33:14.960
to go do that if that's his thing, But I

509
00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:17.279
don't think I'm going to celebrate it, right. Their whole

510
00:33:17.279 --> 00:33:19.680
idea is It's like it's just like, you know, no,

511
00:33:19.799 --> 00:33:21.279
I'm not going to celebrate the fact that we had

512
00:33:21.279 --> 00:33:24.880
to kill thousands of people. There's nothing, there's nothing to

513
00:33:24.960 --> 00:33:28.400
savor or relish. So I well, I respect the whole

514
00:33:29.599 --> 00:33:33.000
you know, honoring it just leaves a really bad taste

515
00:33:33.039 --> 00:33:35.200
in my mouth, and I think that's where Cisco's coming

516
00:33:35.200 --> 00:33:37.160
from here too. It's just like, this is not something

517
00:33:37.200 --> 00:33:42.000
to do to glorify, right, and if you if you know,

518
00:33:42.240 --> 00:33:45.519
I mean that's the whole thing with clingon right, glorifying war.

519
00:33:46.079 --> 00:33:47.720
But if we're going to continue to think like that,

520
00:33:47.759 --> 00:33:54.559
we're not making it out of this century period. So yeah,

521
00:33:54.599 --> 00:33:56.519
I can't get bind it. It's just I just can't.

522
00:33:56.640 --> 00:33:59.759
So sorry. I'm a fan of a fan that I

523
00:33:59.759 --> 00:34:02.119
am blood wine, not a fan of killing people and

524
00:34:02.160 --> 00:34:02.839
celebrating it.

525
00:34:02.920 --> 00:34:09.000
So you know, all right, how about you, David? Would

526
00:34:09.000 --> 00:34:10.039
you drink the blood wine?

527
00:34:11.559 --> 00:34:11.679
Uh?

528
00:34:12.280 --> 00:34:16.559
No, I would have to agree with everybody here saying

529
00:34:16.599 --> 00:34:20.400
that ward horrible war shouldn't be celebrated, death shouldn't be celebrated.

530
00:34:22.239 --> 00:34:28.599
I would probably, Yeah, I can't. I can't get behind that,

531
00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:32.920
and I wouldn't drink the blood wine. So that's my answer.

532
00:34:34.480 --> 00:34:37.159
Fair enough. How about you, Charles, blood wine or no

533
00:34:37.239 --> 00:34:37.880
blood wine.

534
00:34:39.880 --> 00:34:43.079
I can understand maybe drinking the blood wine a few

535
00:34:43.159 --> 00:34:46.519
days after the victory when you're not on the planet,

536
00:34:47.239 --> 00:34:50.800
but dealing with the bodies that are there, You've got

537
00:34:50.800 --> 00:34:54.320
so many people who lose their lives, whether they were

538
00:34:54.320 --> 00:34:58.920
soldiers or innocent. Do you sit there and then celebrate

539
00:34:59.000 --> 00:35:03.360
their deaths? No, I would say, be better. Sure we

540
00:35:03.360 --> 00:35:07.800
can celebrate, but let's celebrate away from the planet someplace

541
00:35:07.840 --> 00:35:11.199
where it's ready to start a party, not right just

542
00:35:11.280 --> 00:35:15.159
right after a battle and the victims are still there.

543
00:35:17.679 --> 00:35:20.000
So I'm the caboose.

544
00:35:22.639 --> 00:35:26.360
Yeah, Now I would not be able to drink the

545
00:35:26.400 --> 00:35:33.679
blood wine because the more I watch DS nine, I

546
00:35:33.679 --> 00:35:36.039
don't know, there's just so many I hate to say,

547
00:35:36.039 --> 00:35:39.320
there's so many parallels to what's going on in the

548
00:35:39.360 --> 00:35:40.079
world today.

549
00:35:40.760 --> 00:35:42.440
And you know, we've got our people, you know.

550
00:35:42.559 --> 00:35:47.599
The Dominion, the Cardassians, We've got you know, somebody that

551
00:35:47.639 --> 00:35:50.039
makes Goldacot look like a choir boy.

552
00:35:50.239 --> 00:35:52.599
Basically, that's how I feel.

553
00:35:53.599 --> 00:35:56.480
But yeah, I think I think when they were done,

554
00:35:56.639 --> 00:35:59.719
it's just just watching that scene and just seeing the

555
00:35:59.760 --> 00:36:04.000
fires behind them, so you know, Rome is literally burning,

556
00:36:04.079 --> 00:36:07.440
so to speak, and then the bodies are.

557
00:36:09.199 --> 00:36:09.639
All over.

558
00:36:09.840 --> 00:36:12.519
So it's one of those things where you had to

559
00:36:12.519 --> 00:36:15.719
do what you had to do, but you.

560
00:36:15.679 --> 00:36:18.000
Don't have to celebrate it. Does that make sense?

561
00:36:20.159 --> 00:36:22.880
Absolutely? Absolutely.

562
00:36:22.880 --> 00:36:24.400
I don't know if I would have poured it out,

563
00:36:24.800 --> 00:36:25.559
the blood.

564
00:36:25.280 --> 00:36:28.159
Wine out, because you know, again, a cultural thing but

565
00:36:28.880 --> 00:36:31.719
probably just would have said no, thank you or handed

566
00:36:31.760 --> 00:36:32.400
it back to him.

567
00:36:32.440 --> 00:36:35.000
I don't know, but yeah, that would be tough too.

568
00:36:35.239 --> 00:36:40.559
All right, Yeah, Martalk goes on to become takes over

569
00:36:40.559 --> 00:36:44.199
for Garron because Wharf killed Goron. So Martak is the

570
00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:47.239
chancellor of the Kingan Empire at that point, right, if

571
00:36:47.239 --> 00:36:51.880
I remember correctly, I think he was so. At any rate,

572
00:36:52.440 --> 00:36:54.679
just a fun little clip to get us talking. And

573
00:36:55.119 --> 00:36:59.400
speaking of fun little clips to get us talking, we're

574
00:36:59.400 --> 00:37:02.960
going to be doing some trivia. Oh before we do that, though,

575
00:37:03.039 --> 00:37:04.000
we have to do this.

576
00:37:05.960 --> 00:37:09.199
And you know what that music means. It's once again

577
00:37:09.320 --> 00:37:11.679
time to put on your thinking caps and join us

578
00:37:11.679 --> 00:37:16.480
for Star Trek trivia time with Uncle Jim.

579
00:37:16.519 --> 00:37:19.119
All right, we're doing something a little different this week.

580
00:37:19.360 --> 00:37:21.360
I got to think in trivia questions and they can

581
00:37:21.400 --> 00:37:24.679
be fun, but let's do something different. So back in

582
00:37:24.719 --> 00:37:27.639
the seventies and eighties, they had a really they had

583
00:37:27.679 --> 00:37:31.480
a thing called taglines, and they put taglines on movie

584
00:37:31.480 --> 00:37:33.880
posters and they had them on TV commercials and things

585
00:37:33.920 --> 00:37:37.519
like that to make people think of the movie, remember

586
00:37:37.559 --> 00:37:39.679
the movie, want to see the movie type of thing.

587
00:37:40.239 --> 00:37:41.960
And I thought this might be fun because some of

588
00:37:42.000 --> 00:37:46.599
these taglines, you know them like the back of your hand.

589
00:37:46.679 --> 00:37:49.239
Like if I were to say to you in a

590
00:37:49.280 --> 00:37:52.519
galaxy far far away, You're immediately going to say to me, oh, well,

591
00:37:52.599 --> 00:37:53.960
that's Star Trek. You know.

592
00:37:55.480 --> 00:37:57.840
Absolutely, that's exactly what.

593
00:38:00.239 --> 00:38:03.679
Yeah, yeah, that's an.

594
00:38:03.719 --> 00:38:04.400
We all got it.

595
00:38:04.800 --> 00:38:15.000
Okay, yep, okay, So tag taglines Lebowski. Yeah, So taglines

596
00:38:15.039 --> 00:38:18.239
were used to identify movies quickly and easily. So I

597
00:38:18.280 --> 00:38:20.559
went I went back, and I spent some time going

598
00:38:20.599 --> 00:38:22.960
through all the movie posters for the movies that I

599
00:38:23.000 --> 00:38:26.920
grew up watching. None of these movies are obscure like

600
00:38:27.079 --> 00:38:31.360
Saturn three. Okay. These are all movies that I guarantee

601
00:38:31.360 --> 00:38:34.880
you guys have seen, and so I'm not I'm just

602
00:38:34.880 --> 00:38:38.519
trying to have some fun here. So David, are you ready?

603
00:38:38.519 --> 00:38:41.519
You got your thinking cap on when we when we

604
00:38:41.519 --> 00:38:43.840
worked up the show on Wednesday, I told you that

605
00:38:43.880 --> 00:38:45.760
I was gonna give you a very easy one and

606
00:38:45.800 --> 00:38:49.000
there was no stress that I guarantee you would get it.

607
00:38:49.480 --> 00:38:54.440
So all right, so here we go. What nineteen eighty

608
00:38:54.519 --> 00:38:59.960
four movie use the tagline who You're gonna call?

609
00:39:00.360 --> 00:39:02.159
So that would be Ghostbusters.

610
00:39:05.119 --> 00:39:07.599
I told you you would get that one. And it's

611
00:39:07.679 --> 00:39:10.880
the theme of Halloween. So there we go. I knew

612
00:39:10.920 --> 00:39:14.519
you'd get that one, all right, and V this next

613
00:39:14.519 --> 00:39:17.880
one's for you. And this is also not to put

614
00:39:17.880 --> 00:39:19.920
the pressure on you and turn off the heat at all.

615
00:39:20.280 --> 00:39:23.920
But this is another easy one that I'm pretty sure

616
00:39:23.920 --> 00:39:27.840
you're going to get. This nineteen seventy nine movie bragged

617
00:39:28.360 --> 00:39:31.360
the Human Adventure is just beginning.

618
00:39:34.440 --> 00:39:35.280
Seventy nine.

619
00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:40.599
I know I've heard that who is the Human Adventure

620
00:39:40.639 --> 00:39:41.440
is just beginning?

621
00:39:43.360 --> 00:39:46.760
There's actually a second tagline. There was actually two taglines.

622
00:39:46.760 --> 00:39:49.599
There were two different posters. The main one said that,

623
00:39:49.639 --> 00:39:52.079
but there was a secondary poster that said there is

624
00:39:52.159 --> 00:39:56.159
no comparison, So they actually had two different taglines. I

625
00:39:56.199 --> 00:39:58.679
thought that one would be an easier way to get.

626
00:40:00.639 --> 00:40:03.440
The only thing I can think of is seventy nine.

627
00:40:03.480 --> 00:40:07.960
That's when I want to say, isn't it. When Star

628
00:40:08.000 --> 00:40:09.719
Trek's emotion picture came out.

629
00:40:11.239 --> 00:40:14.719
That's right, give her us cigar Star Trek Emotion.

630
00:40:15.719 --> 00:40:20.239
I was like panicking, It's like, come on, I know this. Yeah,

631
00:40:20.440 --> 00:40:23.159
it's like you no, don't let me fail in front

632
00:40:23.159 --> 00:40:23.880
of everybody.

633
00:40:24.119 --> 00:40:27.239
So now you said that that you were really good

634
00:40:27.239 --> 00:40:29.880
at the Star Trek stuff, So I gave you a star.

635
00:40:29.760 --> 00:40:33.480
Trek and I only saw that movie like twelve times, so.

636
00:40:36.559 --> 00:40:42.199
Poster a billion dimes. All right, Charles, are you ready

637
00:40:42.199 --> 00:40:42.719
for yours?

638
00:40:43.599 --> 00:40:43.880
Yep?

639
00:40:44.039 --> 00:40:48.360
Okay, here we go. This nineteen seventy eight sequel warned

640
00:40:48.440 --> 00:40:51.599
us just when you thought it was safe to go

641
00:40:51.760 --> 00:40:52.800
back in the water.

642
00:40:53.679 --> 00:40:57.880
Oh, actually I don't. I didn't see the movie, but

643
00:40:57.920 --> 00:40:59.880
that sounds a lot like Jaws too.

644
00:41:01.960 --> 00:41:05.320
That's right. The minions are batting one hundred here, so far,

645
00:41:05.440 --> 00:41:08.880
so good. All right, Now we're gonna put the heat

646
00:41:08.920 --> 00:41:10.760
on and now we're gonna go to Paul. And I'm

647
00:41:10.760 --> 00:41:13.079
not I go a little bit harder on Paul because

648
00:41:13.119 --> 00:41:16.519
Paul is like me. He uh, he knows some of

649
00:41:16.559 --> 00:41:19.280
these obscure was so he's not gonna get any easy one.

650
00:41:19.760 --> 00:41:22.920
Well it might be easy, all right, Paul. This is

651
00:41:22.920 --> 00:41:26.039
another nineteen seventy nine movie. Because of nineteen seventy nine,

652
00:41:26.079 --> 00:41:28.119
I was going to see a lot of movies, a

653
00:41:28.199 --> 00:41:34.079
lot of sci fi ine like Saturn three, for instance.

654
00:41:34.559 --> 00:41:37.079
So this is a nineteen seventy nine movie. And the

655
00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:42.519
tagline said, a journey that begins where everything else ends.

656
00:41:44.639 --> 00:41:48.880
Ooh, that's a good one. A journey that begins where

657
00:41:48.920 --> 00:41:50.320
everything else, And.

658
00:41:51.920 --> 00:41:59.559
Yes it was. It was Disney's attempt at sci fi.

659
00:42:01.039 --> 00:42:04.280
Yeah, it can only be two. You can be too.

660
00:42:04.280 --> 00:42:05.880
I think you just gave gave me the hint though

661
00:42:05.920 --> 00:42:08.039
that I needed, right because I was either going to

662
00:42:08.079 --> 00:42:13.800
go with Brainstorm with Christopher Walking or the black Hole.

663
00:42:14.440 --> 00:42:16.559
And I'm pretty sure the black Hole.

664
00:42:17.360 --> 00:42:20.000
The black Hole. That's right, the black Hole. Eric had

665
00:42:20.039 --> 00:42:20.840
that one, right.

666
00:42:20.760 --> 00:42:23.079
And yeah, well.

667
00:42:24.920 --> 00:42:33.519
Yeah, you gotta watch it with them hints. Yeah. Well,

668
00:42:34.000 --> 00:42:35.840
like I said, I just just have some fun with this.

669
00:42:37.079 --> 00:42:42.159
Yeah, all right, so Eric, Oh, now you got the

670
00:42:42.159 --> 00:42:43.320
heat on you this one.

671
00:42:43.840 --> 00:42:47.159
And let let's not confuse. Let's not confuse this one

672
00:42:47.280 --> 00:42:51.639
with the black Hole, all right. And remember I only

673
00:42:51.639 --> 00:42:53.960
pick movies that I know you've seen, so bear that

674
00:42:54.000 --> 00:42:58.239
in mind too. This nineteen eighty four movie said a

675
00:42:58.320 --> 00:43:02.519
place beyond your dreams, a movie beyond your imagination.

676
00:43:05.519 --> 00:43:08.199
Oh my god, that sounds like The never Ending Story

677
00:43:08.320 --> 00:43:10.800
or something like that.

678
00:43:11.119 --> 00:43:13.280
This is a movie. This is a movie that I

679
00:43:13.440 --> 00:43:17.519
particularly didn't like, but you guys did, and they we

680
00:43:17.639 --> 00:43:19.079
just had a remake of it.

681
00:43:21.360 --> 00:43:22.599
On your imagination.

682
00:43:25.880 --> 00:43:30.760
Let's see, let me see. Uh, it might have Patrick's

683
00:43:30.760 --> 00:43:32.159
start in it.

684
00:43:32.519 --> 00:43:34.719
Oh, is this the original Dune.

685
00:43:35.159 --> 00:43:36.280
The original Dune.

686
00:43:36.360 --> 00:43:37.440
That's right, all right?

687
00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:41.000
Yeah, gosh, I did not know that that was the

688
00:43:41.000 --> 00:43:43.840
tagline for it. That's that was a good hint. Thank you.

689
00:43:44.719 --> 00:43:48.599
Yeah. The taglines are generally on what they call the

690
00:43:48.639 --> 00:43:51.719
teaser posters, like this one behind my head for the

691
00:43:51.719 --> 00:43:58.920
best movie ever made? Okay, so uh David?

692
00:43:59.679 --> 00:44:07.719
Yeah, Frank, Yeah, Saturn, that's the best movie ever made? Man,

693
00:44:07.840 --> 00:44:08.719
I mean no content.

694
00:44:09.800 --> 00:44:14.800
Yeah, I was thinking maybe flesh Gordon, you know. So

695
00:44:15.039 --> 00:44:21.400
here there's another easy one. Here's another easy one for you, David. Nineteen.

696
00:44:21.480 --> 00:44:23.639
We're gonna go back to nineteen seventy nine. You see

697
00:44:23.639 --> 00:44:25.840
a pattern here. I was. I was just a young

698
00:44:25.880 --> 00:44:28.679
spring in nineteen seventy nine, soaking up all the sci

699
00:44:28.679 --> 00:44:32.519
fi movies I could. So this is another nineteen seventy

700
00:44:32.599 --> 00:44:37.239
nine movie that told us in space, no one can

701
00:44:37.280 --> 00:44:41.480
hear you scream? And like I said, I tried to

702
00:44:41.480 --> 00:44:43.400
give you some easy ones that I knew you would know.

703
00:44:44.360 --> 00:44:49.719
Can you repeat that you don't you could do it, David.

704
00:44:50.239 --> 00:44:52.199
I need to repeat I didn't actually quite hear what

705
00:44:52.199 --> 00:44:52.559
you said.

706
00:44:52.800 --> 00:44:57.920
No one waite in space, no one can hear you scream?

707
00:44:58.320 --> 00:44:59.599
Oh okay.

708
00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:04.920
The shows, the show's a lot like alien Alien.

709
00:45:05.119 --> 00:45:12.079
Yeah, ing ding ding ding ding ding ding. Right, all right,

710
00:45:13.280 --> 00:45:17.639
but the truck spurs are bating one hundred, so V

711
00:45:17.800 --> 00:45:20.239
we're going to put the pressure on you again. Thanks,

712
00:45:20.719 --> 00:45:25.159
all right. This nineteen eighty nine movie asked the question

713
00:45:26.079 --> 00:45:29.800
why are they putting seatbelts in movie theaters this summer?

714
00:45:31.440 --> 00:45:40.719
Thank? M hm, Well, I'm trying to think nineteen eighty nine?

715
00:45:41.159 --> 00:45:41.639
Are you looking?

716
00:45:41.639 --> 00:45:43.199
Are you looking at the screen?

717
00:45:44.159 --> 00:45:45.000
What?

718
00:45:45.480 --> 00:45:45.679
Oh?

719
00:45:45.840 --> 00:45:50.599
What starts five?

720
00:45:52.679 --> 00:45:55.559
Is the best movie ever made? How did you get that?

721
00:45:55.880 --> 00:45:57.239
Yeah?

722
00:45:57.960 --> 00:46:00.639
Because I was saying, I know why I never saw

723
00:46:00.679 --> 00:46:03.320
it because in nineteen eighty nine, I had gotten married

724
00:46:03.320 --> 00:46:06.880
the year before and I was expecting my first kid,

725
00:46:07.079 --> 00:46:09.559
so I didn't want to go to any movies because

726
00:46:09.599 --> 00:46:11.719
I was, you know, miserable.

727
00:46:11.840 --> 00:46:13.840
So there that's my case.

728
00:46:14.119 --> 00:46:17.360
I figured we talk about the movie all the time.

729
00:46:17.440 --> 00:46:20.440
The posters right behind my head, we see it every podcast.

730
00:46:20.760 --> 00:46:22.760
I figured that would be an easy when you talk

731
00:46:22.760 --> 00:46:23.360
about the movie.

732
00:46:23.960 --> 00:46:28.880
I was gonna stay one of the last talk about the movie.

733
00:46:29.519 --> 00:46:30.760
Damn you talk about it?

734
00:46:31.440 --> 00:46:33.599
Which which is which is this?

735
00:46:33.760 --> 00:46:33.800
We?

736
00:46:36.360 --> 00:46:39.559
That's that's all of us, the truck spurts. So yeah,

737
00:46:39.760 --> 00:46:44.000
that's Star Trek five and we got it all right, Charles,

738
00:46:44.239 --> 00:46:48.880
You ready, Here's here's another easy one. Yeah, this nineteen

739
00:46:49.000 --> 00:46:54.159
seventy seven movie claimed D D D we are not alone?

740
00:46:55.840 --> 00:46:59.719
Oh definitely. I always love I always loved the five

741
00:47:00.239 --> 00:47:06.320
notes that came from the soundtrack in this movie. Thirst

742
00:47:06.360 --> 00:47:21.760
stop close Encounters of the third kind third that's rightto.

743
00:47:18.679 --> 00:47:19.119
Something?

744
00:47:21.599 --> 00:47:24.639
All right, So Paul, I always I'm gonna lean on

745
00:47:24.719 --> 00:47:27.280
you for the obscure ones because I know you're the man.

746
00:47:30.280 --> 00:47:32.679
We are going to go all the way back to

747
00:47:32.920 --> 00:47:39.320
nineteen eighty one to a movie that said, on Jupiter's moon,

748
00:47:40.039 --> 00:47:41.920
He's the only law.

749
00:47:43.440 --> 00:47:46.320
Well, this is not fair because I actually just got

750
00:47:46.360 --> 00:47:49.000
this in the mail on four K this week, Okay,

751
00:47:49.400 --> 00:47:52.880
and I'm excited that it's finally been restored right forever.

752
00:47:53.000 --> 00:47:57.119
This is the great Peter Hyams movie Outland, starring as

753
00:47:57.360 --> 00:48:01.760
Sean Connery. Yeah, it's really finely high noon, right, It's

754
00:48:01.760 --> 00:48:04.400
like the Western high Noon set on Jupiter's moon of Io,

755
00:48:04.719 --> 00:48:07.800
and it's really fun and Peter Boyle is a terrible

756
00:48:07.840 --> 00:48:10.280
bad guy. It's it almost feels like an alien movie.

757
00:48:10.280 --> 00:48:13.119
It's got the same production design and look to it.

758
00:48:13.320 --> 00:48:15.800
Is that the one where Sean Connery? Have you seen

759
00:48:15.840 --> 00:48:20.480
the picture where he's wearing what looks like like, I

760
00:48:20.480 --> 00:48:22.719
don't know how to describe it, lots of leather and

761
00:48:22.840 --> 00:48:25.519
like very little, you know, like like bonded.

762
00:48:25.960 --> 00:48:31.199
No, that that's probably looks like he's practically now you're

763
00:48:31.199 --> 00:48:32.960
talking where it looks like he's wearing a chaps and

764
00:48:33.000 --> 00:48:33.719
nothing else that.

765
00:48:34.159 --> 00:48:35.199
Like bondage stuff.

766
00:48:35.719 --> 00:48:38.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're thinking of a you're thinking of

767
00:48:38.280 --> 00:48:41.559
a crazy This is one of the biggest midnight movies

768
00:48:41.920 --> 00:48:45.880
ever in the seventies, a picture called Czardaws right from

769
00:48:46.000 --> 00:48:49.920
John Borman. It's big, floating stonehead. It's just it is

770
00:48:50.039 --> 00:48:53.599
so there is not one person behind the scenes of

771
00:48:53.639 --> 00:48:55.320
that movie. Wasn't as high as.

772
00:48:55.119 --> 00:48:58.760
A kite shape. Crazy Connery in that outfit.

773
00:49:00.079 --> 00:49:03.519
He's got like a long like ponytail, and he's wearing

774
00:49:03.559 --> 00:49:08.039
like chaps and he's not wearing anything else. It's ridiculous.

775
00:49:07.159 --> 00:49:10.000
And that movie I've watched it a couple of times.

776
00:49:10.119 --> 00:49:13.880
It makes no sense. I mean, it makes absolutely you know,

777
00:49:14.039 --> 00:49:16.360
I don't care what you're on. It doesn't make any sense.

778
00:49:16.400 --> 00:49:20.760
It's just that I don't know if anybody remembers because

779
00:49:20.760 --> 00:49:24.719
we had this this film or this place in downtown

780
00:49:24.760 --> 00:49:30.800
Norfolk that played these very interesting films. But a friend

781
00:49:30.880 --> 00:49:34.119
took me to see. Was it The Perils of Gwendolyn

782
00:49:34.880 --> 00:49:39.119
in the Land of Nick Knack or yik Yak or

783
00:49:39.119 --> 00:49:41.119
something like that.

784
00:49:40.400 --> 00:49:43.360
That sounds like that sounds like porn? Is that what

785
00:49:43.400 --> 00:49:43.760
it is?

786
00:49:48.119 --> 00:49:53.079
It wasn't really bad, but my friend just in the

787
00:49:53.239 --> 00:49:55.440
Land of yik Yak, I think it was.

788
00:49:55.519 --> 00:49:55.840
It was.

789
00:49:57.480 --> 00:49:58.840
I don't know why I thought of that.

790
00:49:58.960 --> 00:50:02.079
I'm just talking about people being high and wearing weird

791
00:50:02.119 --> 00:50:03.239
outfits and stuff.

792
00:50:03.320 --> 00:50:06.079
It's just, yeah, really interesting.

793
00:50:07.320 --> 00:50:10.519
Interestingly, the tagline for Zardas was I have seen the

794
00:50:10.519 --> 00:50:16.280
future and it doesn't work. Irony alert. Irony alert.

795
00:50:17.360 --> 00:50:20.480
And of course, in case you guys didn't know, Sean

796
00:50:20.559 --> 00:50:23.280
Connery was supposed to be in Star Trek five, the

797
00:50:23.280 --> 00:50:27.840
best movie ever made, you guys knew from was.

798
00:50:30.199 --> 00:50:32.679
Because he was busy? And what was that.

799
00:50:35.440 --> 00:50:42.639
Last crusade? All right, Eric, you get the next question.

800
00:50:43.880 --> 00:50:48.119
All right, this is another extremely easy one. But not

801
00:50:48.159 --> 00:50:50.079
to make it any to turn up the heat of

802
00:50:50.159 --> 00:50:52.679
the pressure now, but we're gonna go We're gonna go

803
00:50:52.679 --> 00:50:56.119
to nineteen eighty two for this one. And this movie

804
00:50:56.239 --> 00:50:58.800
said they're here.

805
00:51:00.239 --> 00:51:06.559
Oh yeah, this is from one of the scariest movies

806
00:51:06.559 --> 00:51:09.880
that I can remember from my childhood from Poltergeist.

807
00:51:10.239 --> 00:51:13.920
That's right. See my trek spirts are just on fire tonight.

808
00:51:15.800 --> 00:51:24.119
But okay, so Charles, you ready, alright? This is this

809
00:51:24.199 --> 00:51:26.519
is a nineteen seventy nine movie. It is not a

810
00:51:26.559 --> 00:51:30.159
sci fi movie, Okay, but I'm gonna throw it at

811
00:51:30.159 --> 00:51:32.360
you anyways. I'm sure you guys are gonna know it.

812
00:51:33.880 --> 00:51:45.800
This movie told us the night he came home, and

813
00:51:45.840 --> 00:51:47.840
it's in the spirit of Halloween, because.

814
00:51:47.760 --> 00:51:52.079
I was gonna say, first guests had come to me

815
00:51:52.320 --> 00:51:56.079
for something nine might be Halloween, the.

816
00:51:56.199 --> 00:52:00.920
John Carpenter classic. That's right, all right.

817
00:52:00.920 --> 00:52:04.840
Okay, is anybody else totally cracking up because of Jim's

818
00:52:04.880 --> 00:52:06.880
dog attacking whatever it's attacking right now?

819
00:52:07.480 --> 00:52:10.400
Like that? Really?

820
00:52:10.960 --> 00:52:11.320
You know.

821
00:52:13.079 --> 00:52:18.400
Again, it's a low budget porn movie.

822
00:52:18.440 --> 00:52:30.519
On right. That is Leyah Leyah is biting Anakin's head

823
00:52:31.199 --> 00:52:34.280
and they're all around on the floor right here. They're

824
00:52:34.320 --> 00:52:34.840
just playing.

825
00:52:37.960 --> 00:52:40.679
They're just making things like this happen to sell the Patriot.

826
00:52:41.079 --> 00:52:42.400
That's the that's right, the.

827
00:52:44.840 --> 00:52:47.119
Dogs and cats having relationships.

828
00:52:47.840 --> 00:52:50.480
Speaking of relations I looked up because it's been a

829
00:52:50.480 --> 00:52:53.559
while since I've seen it. Came out in nineteen eighty four,

830
00:52:53.639 --> 00:52:57.159
The Perils of Gwendoline in the Land of the Yik Yak,

831
00:52:57.880 --> 00:53:03.039
and it's uh described this action slash erotic, so I

832
00:53:03.119 --> 00:53:09.960
kind of forgot that part, but the action and it

833
00:53:10.079 --> 00:53:13.480
was a five points an action movie. But she's a

834
00:53:13.559 --> 00:53:16.920
runaway nun who goes. She arrives in Hong Kong. She's

835
00:53:16.920 --> 00:53:17.800
trying to find like.

836
00:53:17.760 --> 00:53:19.880
It already, yeah, a.

837
00:53:19.840 --> 00:53:22.199
Mission to find her father, who was last seen in

838
00:53:22.239 --> 00:53:27.599
the legendary land of the Jikkak searching for a rare butterfly.

839
00:53:28.360 --> 00:53:32.880
She's guided on her perilous journey by the selfish mercenary Willard.

840
00:53:33.159 --> 00:53:35.360
So there you go. You're welcome.

841
00:53:35.440 --> 00:53:35.920
Look it up.

842
00:53:36.119 --> 00:53:38.280
We'll have to do a podcast. I'll have to do

843
00:53:38.320 --> 00:53:38.960
a show on that.

844
00:53:39.079 --> 00:53:39.559
Fantastic.

845
00:53:39.639 --> 00:53:40.559
I don't know how I missed it.

846
00:53:40.639 --> 00:53:43.360
The boyd inside of me is now complete. That's great.

847
00:53:43.440 --> 00:53:44.320
I'm glad I couldn't.

848
00:53:44.840 --> 00:53:47.239
Can we do a special show where we review that movie?

849
00:53:47.280 --> 00:53:53.360
That sounds amazing, So Eric, Eric, you get the next tagline.

850
00:53:53.360 --> 00:53:54.880
We're going to turn the heat up real high on

851
00:53:54.960 --> 00:54:01.800
this one. Okay, okay. This nineteen eight two movie bragged

852
00:54:02.480 --> 00:54:06.320
the return of the Great Adventure.

853
00:54:08.760 --> 00:54:12.440
The return of the Great Adventure nineteen eighty two.

854
00:54:12.599 --> 00:54:15.639
You said nineteen eighty two, Yep.

855
00:54:17.239 --> 00:54:19.239
Return of the Great Adventure.

856
00:54:21.000 --> 00:54:23.679
It might have somebody in it from Star Wars.

857
00:54:26.559 --> 00:54:30.440
Might have somebody in it from Star Wars? Is it

858
00:54:30.480 --> 00:54:32.119
a Star Wars?

859
00:54:32.880 --> 00:54:35.280
And he could he also.

860
00:54:39.360 --> 00:54:41.000
Try not to get here.

861
00:54:42.920 --> 00:54:43.400
This is a.

862
00:54:45.559 --> 00:54:48.440
This guy from Star Wars might have a whip.

863
00:54:51.280 --> 00:54:53.639
Okay, this podcast light?

864
00:54:56.159 --> 00:54:59.679
Oh wait is this? Is this like Princess Briane or something?

865
00:55:00.360 --> 00:55:03.280
And his father might be Sean Connery.

866
00:55:04.519 --> 00:55:10.000
Wait that his father is Oh, it's Indiana Jones.

867
00:55:10.400 --> 00:55:10.880
Is that the.

868
00:55:10.760 --> 00:55:14.480
Original Raiders of the Lost Arc?

869
00:55:14.679 --> 00:55:20.320
That's right, The Great Adventure is Raiders. Well, that's not

870
00:55:20.320 --> 00:55:23.159
not strictly true. I got to interject here. Okay, that

871
00:55:23.280 --> 00:55:25.360
is the tagline from when they did a re release

872
00:55:25.400 --> 00:55:28.199
for the picture, right, that is not its first release.

873
00:55:28.800 --> 00:55:30.880
The movie was out of box office for a while,

874
00:55:30.920 --> 00:55:33.119
and then they're like, how we'd like to make some

875
00:55:33.119 --> 00:55:33.559
more money.

876
00:55:33.639 --> 00:55:34.199
What can we do?

877
00:55:34.280 --> 00:55:36.079
And so they re released it again with the new

878
00:55:36.079 --> 00:55:40.199
marketing campaign. Interesting, so that's the tagline from, you know,

879
00:55:40.320 --> 00:55:43.159
the secondary release. That is not how the picture was marketed.

880
00:55:43.679 --> 00:55:45.840
So I'm just clarifying.

881
00:55:45.320 --> 00:55:49.199
That, Okay, okay, all right, Jim.

882
00:55:52.440 --> 00:55:56.079
Is not is not eating Anakin's head anymore, is now

883
00:55:56.159 --> 00:55:56.960
laying next to me.

884
00:55:57.079 --> 00:56:02.239
So the noise that was very entertaining. Okay, yeah, very

885
00:56:02.599 --> 00:56:03.280
very entertaining.

886
00:56:04.719 --> 00:56:07.199
Anakin is now under the bed with the doctor.

887
00:56:09.880 --> 00:56:10.559
Is what we need?

888
00:56:10.639 --> 00:56:13.559
Right, you want to join the podcast. We have a

889
00:56:13.599 --> 00:56:14.000
go pro.

890
00:56:14.400 --> 00:56:17.320
Yeah, I'm going to say she needs a laya cam.

891
00:56:17.559 --> 00:56:22.079
So, yeah, you want to lay it absolutely, David. We're

892
00:56:22.079 --> 00:56:26.239
going to put the heat on you this time. Ready, Okay,

893
00:56:26.559 --> 00:56:30.480
This nineteen eighty two sequel said at the end of

894
00:56:30.559 --> 00:56:39.920
the Universe lies the beginning of Vengeance. It was a sequel,

895
00:56:41.320 --> 00:56:43.719
meaning it was after the original.

896
00:56:45.840 --> 00:56:46.960
Nineteen eighty two.

897
00:56:51.159 --> 00:56:51.440
Wars.

898
00:56:52.519 --> 00:56:56.679
You know, we we it's it's totally possible that we

899
00:56:56.760 --> 00:56:58.800
might be talking about one of these characters later in

900
00:56:58.840 --> 00:57:00.320
the podcast, but I could be wrong.

901
00:57:05.719 --> 00:57:06.679
That's a pretty good hints.

902
00:57:08.679 --> 00:57:11.519
I can't say much more. And there's no there's no

903
00:57:11.639 --> 00:57:13.360
Corinthian Leather in this one either.

904
00:57:13.960 --> 00:57:17.920
Oh that's a double that's only that was behind the scenes.

905
00:57:17.960 --> 00:57:19.239
Those are the outtakes.

906
00:57:20.559 --> 00:57:30.800
That's the outtakes. Okay, I want to steal it from David. Yeah,

907
00:57:31.320 --> 00:57:39.400
that's right. Was a prequel me, all right?

908
00:57:39.440 --> 00:57:41.360
I mean I guess it was also a prequel to

909
00:57:41.599 --> 00:57:43.039
Start Trek three, but you know.

910
00:57:43.840 --> 00:57:48.199
Yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah. So this was for you me

911
00:57:48.559 --> 00:57:52.079
and uh, it's not Star Trek. I'm gonna warn you

912
00:57:52.159 --> 00:57:56.400
right up from this nineteen eighty movie said Getting Back

913
00:57:56.920 --> 00:57:58.480
was only the beginning.

914
00:58:00.079 --> 00:58:03.320
Beginning. Let's see, I'm thinking.

915
00:58:03.159 --> 00:58:07.800
Nineteen eighty and then again, this movie might have somebody

916
00:58:07.800 --> 00:58:10.239
from Star Trek. Actually does have somebody from Star Trek

917
00:58:10.280 --> 00:58:14.400
in it does have a Star Trek.

918
00:58:16.000 --> 00:58:17.400
Makes it the hints, I'll tell you what.

919
00:58:18.119 --> 00:58:21.159
So what was that? What was the line? Again? Getting back?

920
00:58:21.239 --> 00:58:24.239
Is getting back was only the beginning?

921
00:58:24.519 --> 00:58:29.000
It was only the beginning. Hmmm. It was a junior

922
00:58:29.039 --> 00:58:32.360
in high school. What was I watching?

923
00:58:34.760 --> 00:58:39.079
You definitely watched this. You saw this for sure.

924
00:58:39.119 --> 00:58:40.199
I saw this for sure.

925
00:58:41.599 --> 00:58:44.280
In fact, it's coming back out the theaters. I think next?

926
00:58:44.719 --> 00:58:45.599
Is it next week?

927
00:58:46.079 --> 00:58:46.360
Week?

928
00:58:48.440 --> 00:58:48.800
I think?

929
00:58:48.960 --> 00:58:51.679
All right, one more tiny hint because I'm trying to

930
00:58:52.599 --> 00:58:54.280
Getting back was just the beginning?

931
00:58:54.559 --> 00:58:55.840
Was it great?

932
00:58:56.000 --> 00:58:56.480
Scott?

933
00:58:56.760 --> 00:58:57.000
Great?

934
00:58:57.119 --> 00:58:58.320
Scott? What?

935
00:58:58.519 --> 00:59:08.280
Oh oh oh yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, yes, yes, yes,

936
00:59:08.400 --> 00:59:09.280
back to the future.

937
00:59:10.440 --> 00:59:20.440
Back to the future. That's right, soul, you get the

938
00:59:20.440 --> 00:59:24.119
final tagline of the night. Oh I was going to

939
00:59:24.159 --> 00:59:31.159
see how good you really are? Seatbelt on, hold on, yes,

940
00:59:31.239 --> 00:59:36.440
get that on the talk about it all right, This

941
00:59:36.599 --> 00:59:40.760
nineteen seventy six movie warned us, the only thing that

942
00:59:40.840 --> 00:59:46.599
you can't have in the perfect world is your thirtieth birthday.

943
00:59:46.719 --> 00:59:51.360
That's an easy Man the Great, the Great Logan's Run.

944
00:59:52.079 --> 00:59:56.320
Yeah that's right. Yeah, Logan Rogans Run, Michael Yorks.

945
00:59:57.760 --> 01:00:03.079
Amazing. That wraps up our star Trek tag our sci

946
01:00:03.079 --> 01:00:05.559
fi tag lines. What did you guys think that you have? Fun?

947
01:00:05.719 --> 01:00:05.920
Yeah?

948
01:00:06.119 --> 01:00:06.360
That was.

949
01:00:08.239 --> 01:00:08.760
Pretty cool.

950
01:00:08.960 --> 01:00:11.679
Yeah, excellence, that was really really fun.

951
01:00:12.639 --> 01:00:14.719
Yeah. I was trying to do something different than just

952
01:00:14.760 --> 01:00:16.280
throw some trivia out as you got.

953
01:00:16.800 --> 01:00:20.519
According to the to the chat backstage, I think I

954
01:00:20.559 --> 01:00:23.199
made what what seven eight hundred dollars? I think so right,

955
01:00:23.360 --> 01:00:30.679
So yeah, you're right, like five hundred dollars though, it's

956
01:00:30.719 --> 01:00:31.480
just really.

957
01:00:34.400 --> 01:00:37.639
Yeah, and I don't and I introduced you all to

958
01:00:38.039 --> 01:00:41.159
a really obscure, bizarre movie that you're all going to

959
01:00:41.239 --> 01:00:42.960
look up after this, right.

960
01:00:44.840 --> 01:00:59.639
Yeah, yeah, that's.

961
01:00:54.719 --> 01:00:56.880
Why it popped up in my brain. I don't know.

962
01:00:57.000 --> 01:00:58.320
I just apologize.

963
01:00:58.360 --> 01:01:05.320
It's just you know, well, that's okay. So, guys, I

964
01:01:05.480 --> 01:01:08.320
promised you that we would be talking about con and

965
01:01:08.360 --> 01:01:11.920
we're about to We're gonna be talking about Con episode five,

966
01:01:12.039 --> 01:01:15.719
Imagination's limits, And before we dive in and talk about it,

967
01:01:15.960 --> 01:01:19.199
we always have Paul give us a quick quick synopsis

968
01:01:19.199 --> 01:01:21.159
and run down, So take it away, Paul.

969
01:01:22.159 --> 01:01:26.360
All right, So this is a crazy one. In this episode.

970
01:01:26.519 --> 01:01:30.079
We start off aboard the Excelsior, right, and we have

971
01:01:30.320 --> 01:01:35.760
a recurring character, doctor Leear, talking to Captain Sulu, right,

972
01:01:35.840 --> 01:01:38.320
and he's asking, you've heard analysis of the logs found

973
01:01:38.360 --> 01:01:41.199
on SETI Alpha five. We're proving helpful in your search

974
01:01:41.239 --> 01:01:43.719
for the truth. Right. And the truth they're trying to

975
01:01:43.719 --> 01:01:47.920
figure out is we're Con and his followers victims of

976
01:01:48.159 --> 01:01:52.079
Starfleet's negligence with the destruction of this planet. Right, And

977
01:01:52.519 --> 01:01:54.559
she says I'm keeping an open mind, and he says, oh,

978
01:01:54.760 --> 01:01:59.360
i am too, goes right, and he gives her the

979
01:01:59.440 --> 01:02:03.280
enterprise readings from sin STI Alpha ve right during this

980
01:02:03.400 --> 01:02:06.440
period of the time that Con was exiled, right, and

981
01:02:07.119 --> 01:02:11.280
we know that the planet's core was unstable, right, but

982
01:02:11.400 --> 01:02:14.920
not near as unstable as it would necessarily be to explode.

983
01:02:14.920 --> 01:02:15.920
So what the hell happened?

984
01:02:16.480 --> 01:02:16.679
Right?

985
01:02:17.280 --> 01:02:21.079
So Sula was kind of challenging the premise that Lear

986
01:02:21.239 --> 01:02:26.159
has that Kirk knowingly sent Cohn's followers to their death, right,

987
01:02:26.239 --> 01:02:28.760
because that doesn't sound like Captain Gy. As much as

988
01:02:28.800 --> 01:02:31.199
I despise William Shtner, that does not sound like something

989
01:02:31.199 --> 01:02:35.400
he would do. Right, So he says that he's still

990
01:02:35.440 --> 01:02:38.719
got the belief that Cohn was a dangerous tyrant, right,

991
01:02:39.679 --> 01:02:42.639
But doctor Lear believes there was more to him than that,

992
01:02:42.719 --> 01:02:45.960
which is kind of the premise of this whole web series, right, really,

993
01:02:47.320 --> 01:02:51.599
And I think she reiterates the idea that monsters are made,

994
01:02:52.159 --> 01:02:54.840
not born, right, which is one of the things that

995
01:02:54.920 --> 01:02:59.280
she says, right. So there's a little polar disagreement at

996
01:02:59.320 --> 01:03:02.880
play here ins of what that debate is all about.

997
01:03:02.960 --> 01:03:07.280
So meanwhile, we go back with con on SETI Alpha

998
01:03:07.360 --> 01:03:11.360
five as disaster is striking, right, and there's a terrible explosion,

999
01:03:12.159 --> 01:03:14.400
and this is what we've been waiting for, right, this

1000
01:03:14.519 --> 01:03:16.519
is what we knew was eventually going to happen. Their

1001
01:03:16.559 --> 01:03:23.800
neighboring planet, SETI Office six has exploded, okay, and cons

1002
01:03:23.840 --> 01:03:26.639
having a hard time processing the news. How do you

1003
01:03:26.639 --> 01:03:29.440
fight an enemy that big that he is raining down

1004
01:03:29.480 --> 01:03:35.119
upon you? Right? And then, as if that wasn't enough, right, surprisingly,

1005
01:03:35.760 --> 01:03:38.960
out of nowhere, this alien spaceship dropped from the sky

1006
01:03:40.320 --> 01:03:42.320
and craft is on a planet, you know, a few

1007
01:03:42.320 --> 01:03:45.840
miles away. So they head out to see what's going

1008
01:03:45.840 --> 01:03:49.360
on with this planet or the spaceship, to see if

1009
01:03:49.400 --> 01:03:52.760
has something to do with Seti Alpha six's destruction. Right,

1010
01:03:53.360 --> 01:03:56.239
gravity as a result is going to be altered throughout

1011
01:03:56.280 --> 01:03:59.840
the system, right, and their planet, Seti Alpha five, where

1012
01:04:00.039 --> 01:04:02.159
this takes place, It's going to be knocked off of

1013
01:04:02.159 --> 01:04:06.280
its orbit, right, Fragments of the dead planet hitting theirs

1014
01:04:06.400 --> 01:04:10.960
is going to cause you know, like nuclear winter equivalent, right,

1015
01:04:11.039 --> 01:04:14.920
blocking out the sun. It's going to basically turn their

1016
01:04:14.960 --> 01:04:18.320
planet into a barren wasteland at this point, Right, and

1017
01:04:19.559 --> 01:04:23.480
this situation is not helping CON's mood at all. Right,

1018
01:04:23.840 --> 01:04:26.239
He's really not doing well. And he finds out that

1019
01:04:26.320 --> 01:04:30.679
quite a few of these aliens have survived this spacecraft crash, right,

1020
01:04:30.760 --> 01:04:34.239
but who they are and there their purpose remains kind

1021
01:04:34.239 --> 01:04:38.320
of ambiguous and uncertain. So to him it's a threat, right,

1022
01:04:38.400 --> 01:04:41.079
he doesn't know what to make of it. Right, Marlon

1023
01:04:41.119 --> 01:04:43.159
mcgivers is trying to be the voice of reason here

1024
01:04:43.199 --> 01:04:51.320
and you know, for right and offer assistance. Right, But

1025
01:04:51.519 --> 01:04:54.199
cons all like he's developed his theory, he's like mother

1026
01:04:54.519 --> 01:04:57.159
ever Kirk left me on a dying planet. Right, He's

1027
01:04:57.199 --> 01:05:00.760
just really running up the flagpole, right, And and he

1028
01:05:00.840 --> 01:05:05.440
thinks that they should, you know, meet these interloping aliens

1029
01:05:05.480 --> 01:05:06.519
with violence.

1030
01:05:06.599 --> 01:05:06.719
Right.

1031
01:05:06.800 --> 01:05:10.719
He ignores or advice. So it's kind of a chance

1032
01:05:10.760 --> 01:05:13.920
to see his personality pivot quite a bit between you know,

1033
01:05:14.559 --> 01:05:17.320
being at one time the benevolent leader but then kind

1034
01:05:17.320 --> 01:05:21.639
of becoming the merciless warmonger at other moments. So it's interesting,

1035
01:05:22.639 --> 01:05:23.599
But what are you going to do?

1036
01:05:23.760 --> 01:05:23.920
Right?

1037
01:05:24.000 --> 01:05:29.280
And the aliens way outgunned in terms of being on

1038
01:05:29.519 --> 01:05:31.199
is no match for the aliens, is what I'm trying

1039
01:05:31.239 --> 01:05:34.599
to say. Right. They have like telepathy and telekinesis and

1040
01:05:34.639 --> 01:05:38.440
advanced mental powers, right, and they can basically make your

1041
01:05:38.440 --> 01:05:44.599
weapons you know, non functional, right, and and also mess

1042
01:05:44.639 --> 01:05:48.039
with people's minds. I mean they're very they're much more advanced, right,

1043
01:05:48.159 --> 01:05:53.360
And so they retreat. He's deciding he's going to try

1044
01:05:53.360 --> 01:05:57.280
to confront the aliens himself. The aliens seem intrigued though

1045
01:05:57.840 --> 01:06:01.159
and everything, and they try to community with him mentally

1046
01:06:01.559 --> 01:06:04.920
through his mind, and CON's like, didn't leave my world, right,

1047
01:06:04.960 --> 01:06:08.239
He's all you know, he doesn't really trust people easily,

1048
01:06:09.039 --> 01:06:14.159
does he? And he kind of blacks out, and when

1049
01:06:14.199 --> 01:06:17.199
he wakes up, he's kind of got this new calm

1050
01:06:17.199 --> 01:06:21.079
has descended on him, this new appreciation, and somehow mentally,

1051
01:06:21.599 --> 01:06:24.000
if I've got this right, they showed him while he

1052
01:06:24.119 --> 01:06:27.559
was unconscious, I think that there was this massive supply

1053
01:06:27.760 --> 01:06:31.599
of water deep underground that could be a kind of

1054
01:06:31.639 --> 01:06:35.960
a lifeline in the event of the coming apocalypse that's

1055
01:06:36.000 --> 01:06:38.239
happening to their planet as a result of the neighboring

1056
01:06:38.280 --> 01:06:42.280
planet exploding and you know, having fragments raining down and

1057
01:06:42.320 --> 01:06:45.880
blocking out the sun and center. And so the revelation

1058
01:06:46.000 --> 01:06:50.360
of this underground water source that the aliens kind of

1059
01:06:50.360 --> 01:06:54.320
told him. This sounds crazy as I describe it, you know,

1060
01:06:55.920 --> 01:06:59.280
but yes, there is this potential water source that they

1061
01:06:59.280 --> 01:07:02.840
can use to serve Right yet, total calamity is about

1062
01:07:02.880 --> 01:07:06.199
to ensue on their planet, but it looks like they

1063
01:07:06.320 --> 01:07:09.440
might be safe from the desolation to come because they

1064
01:07:09.440 --> 01:07:13.440
have enough water to potentially survive. So it's kind of

1065
01:07:14.239 --> 01:07:15.679
in a weird way, I guess you could say it's

1066
01:07:15.719 --> 01:07:19.119
CON's Kobashi Maru moment, right, It's like he's really sort

1067
01:07:19.159 --> 01:07:22.920
of faced with a no win situation. The introduction of

1068
01:07:22.960 --> 01:07:26.639
the Aliens was a big surprise to me. Wasn't really

1069
01:07:26.719 --> 01:07:30.039
expecting that and wasn't really sure. It kind of seemed like,

1070
01:07:30.719 --> 01:07:35.840
you know, they're there to basically just reveal a way

1071
01:07:35.920 --> 01:07:40.159
that these guys can avoid being decimated in the environmental

1072
01:07:40.159 --> 01:07:42.800
apocalypse that is coming, right, which is kind of a

1073
01:07:42.920 --> 01:07:46.719
left handed way of doing it, because nothing really happens

1074
01:07:46.840 --> 01:07:50.280
at the behest of Cohn's ingenuity or survival skills himself.

1075
01:07:51.000 --> 01:07:54.679
It's kind of the do sex Machina thing of basically

1076
01:07:54.679 --> 01:07:57.039
slipping him the information. So I thought that was a

1077
01:07:57.039 --> 01:08:00.519
little odd. It seems from a storytelling perspective, a little

1078
01:08:02.360 --> 01:08:05.000
you know, a bit of a cheat almost. But maybe

1079
01:08:05.000 --> 01:08:08.079
we don't yet know what's gonna ultimately be the deal

1080
01:08:08.119 --> 01:08:11.199
with these aliens. Maybe there's more to come. I don't know.

1081
01:08:11.280 --> 01:08:14.440
I feel like I didn't do the greatest job of

1082
01:08:15.119 --> 01:08:18.960
convying events, but that's what it felt like to me anyhow. Yeah,

1083
01:08:19.000 --> 01:08:22.199
so interesting, So on the heels of, you know, on

1084
01:08:22.239 --> 01:08:25.520
the threshold of what I imagine is going to be

1085
01:08:25.600 --> 01:08:28.199
much much worse devastation to come, but perhaps they'll be

1086
01:08:28.199 --> 01:08:31.600
protected from it. So is that enough to go on

1087
01:08:31.760 --> 01:08:32.359
to start with?

1088
01:08:32.560 --> 01:08:33.880
Friends?

1089
01:08:34.399 --> 01:08:36.439
That's what I got, So I don't know, Itty, it

1090
01:08:36.479 --> 01:08:38.439
was pretty good, A little I don't know this is

1091
01:08:38.880 --> 01:08:42.199
you know, I think the I I may as well

1092
01:08:42.199 --> 01:08:43.600
just go ahead and get my rating house, and I'm

1093
01:08:43.600 --> 01:08:46.199
on right. But the whole alien thing seemed like it

1094
01:08:46.239 --> 01:08:48.359
was kind of a little bit of a you know,

1095
01:08:48.680 --> 01:08:52.000
a writing cheat rather than any you know, great you know,

1096
01:08:52.039 --> 01:08:53.680
I mean I can imagine a lot of other ways

1097
01:08:53.680 --> 01:08:56.199
that they could have discovered, you know, that there was

1098
01:08:56.239 --> 01:08:59.239
this magical place that they could hide out in that

1099
01:08:59.319 --> 01:09:01.239
would allow them to survive. And it might have been

1100
01:09:01.279 --> 01:09:04.640
more satisfying if like somebody like mcguver's with her Federation

1101
01:09:04.760 --> 01:09:08.439
knowledge and every episode she's pulling out a new piece

1102
01:09:08.479 --> 01:09:10.680
of hidden starfleet tech. You know, maybe she could have

1103
01:09:11.159 --> 01:09:14.079
hidden a tricorder that would have later found, you know,

1104
01:09:15.880 --> 01:09:18.000
underground source of water or something. So I don't know,

1105
01:09:18.239 --> 01:09:19.680
the alien bit sort of felt like a bit of

1106
01:09:19.680 --> 01:09:21.079
a cheat to me. I mean, I still found it

1107
01:09:21.119 --> 01:09:25.680
interesting and entertaining, but so maybe I think for me

1108
01:09:25.720 --> 01:09:28.399
this week it's going to be like seven.

1109
01:09:30.479 --> 01:09:35.920
Were these were these aliens Telosians? Because they I described

1110
01:09:35.960 --> 01:09:41.359
them as wearing silver, uh, and I was I'm like thinking.

1111
01:09:40.760 --> 01:09:44.039
That their skin, what did they wasn't waxy, but they

1112
01:09:44.119 --> 01:09:48.560
used some adjective to describe the white like porcelain nature

1113
01:09:48.600 --> 01:09:51.760
of their skin. So I didn't I didn't read.

1114
01:09:53.600 --> 01:09:56.479
Yeah alien. They didn't say.

1115
01:09:57.920 --> 01:09:59.680
No, yeah, and it's they're great.

1116
01:09:59.720 --> 01:10:01.199
The name they didn't.

1117
01:10:01.239 --> 01:10:02.199
I forget what it was.

1118
01:10:03.760 --> 01:10:05.560
Oh yeah, it sounded like something else.

1119
01:10:06.399 --> 01:10:09.000
It was like Eli yeah, something Yeah, you're right.

1120
01:10:09.039 --> 01:10:11.319
Oh yeah, it sounded like it sounded like el Orian,

1121
01:10:11.399 --> 01:10:12.880
but it was something else.

1122
01:10:13.159 --> 01:10:18.680
Yeah, yeah, yeah, because I'm not familiar of of a

1123
01:10:18.800 --> 01:10:21.520
race and Star Trek other than the Elosians that have

1124
01:10:21.600 --> 01:10:27.319
that ability yet that we're aware of, because the Telosians

1125
01:10:27.359 --> 01:10:33.039
definitely do, but anyone else I'm not aware. But anyways,

1126
01:10:33.359 --> 01:10:36.359
so v you want to jump in, and.

1127
01:10:36.720 --> 01:10:41.279
Yeah, I thought it was interesting. First off, I have

1128
01:10:41.399 --> 01:10:48.279
to say Paul's imitation of Sulu just absolutely you know

1129
01:10:48.640 --> 01:10:49.000
the best.

1130
01:10:49.039 --> 01:10:49.640
It's so good.

1131
01:10:51.079 --> 01:10:54.359
Oh thank you you joined us.

1132
01:10:54.359 --> 01:10:54.640
The kid.

1133
01:10:56.920 --> 01:10:59.439
Well, when they're when they're talking about who did the

1134
01:10:59.479 --> 01:11:04.319
survey of the planet and they find out Spock and

1135
01:11:04.399 --> 01:11:08.039
he's basically, you know, you just don't touch Spock because

1136
01:11:08.479 --> 01:11:13.079
you know Spock is you know, he wouldn't he wouldn't cheat,

1137
01:11:13.159 --> 01:11:16.159
would he, you know, I guess unless he And that

1138
01:11:16.239 --> 01:11:19.960
made me think, was he you know, somehow something's got

1139
01:11:20.000 --> 01:11:24.279
to come out that somebody knew something about the instability

1140
01:11:24.720 --> 01:11:30.039
of the planet, because it just seems like, I don't know,

1141
01:11:30.640 --> 01:11:33.199
I just feel like something's going to come out and

1142
01:11:33.239 --> 01:11:36.880
somehow somebody cheated. I don't know how, I don't know why.

1143
01:11:37.600 --> 01:11:44.520
Maybe be revealed. But then when those aliens land first

1144
01:11:44.600 --> 01:11:48.439
of it. Also, the sound effects in this program are

1145
01:11:48.560 --> 01:11:52.920
just amazing, So whoever did that, because they just really

1146
01:11:52.960 --> 01:11:54.840
bring the whole thing to life, you know, and the

1147
01:11:55.159 --> 01:11:58.159
hear the explosions of the planet. And then when they're

1148
01:11:58.159 --> 01:12:01.000
trying to go after the aliens and is doing well,

1149
01:12:01.079 --> 01:12:04.720
he's doing what con does. He's you know, dominating and conquering.

1150
01:12:05.600 --> 01:12:08.760
And then he gets that you know, freaky mind beld

1151
01:12:08.880 --> 01:12:13.039
or whatever with that one that one alien. So yeah,

1152
01:12:13.079 --> 01:12:16.159
I thought it was kind of a little bit cheesy too,

1153
01:12:16.239 --> 01:12:20.159
because they I think, if I recall, the one alien said, hey,

1154
01:12:20.159 --> 01:12:22.359
we're just you know, we got knocked out of the sky.

1155
01:12:22.439 --> 01:12:24.640
We just we just need to like change the tire

1156
01:12:24.720 --> 01:12:27.880
that went flat or something, you know, not he didn't

1157
01:12:27.920 --> 01:12:30.039
say that, but you know, they need to fix their

1158
01:12:30.520 --> 01:12:33.239
their ship and then they'll you know, be on their way.

1159
01:12:33.279 --> 01:12:38.640
But one thing that I noticed is they went against

1160
01:12:39.079 --> 01:12:44.680
what we learned from Wrath of Khan because con really

1161
01:12:44.880 --> 01:12:47.520
changes his mind. He went from this gung ho guy

1162
01:12:48.319 --> 01:12:53.560
not trusting anybody and let's just wipe out everybody to saying, hey,

1163
01:12:53.760 --> 01:12:54.800
they're trying to help us.

1164
01:12:54.920 --> 01:12:56.279
I'm going to trust them.

1165
01:12:56.720 --> 01:12:59.279
So that was a really really big big thing that

1166
01:12:59.359 --> 01:13:02.720
they did that when against what we what we know,

1167
01:13:04.000 --> 01:13:05.079
so we'll be it'll be.

1168
01:13:05.880 --> 01:13:08.039
I'll look forward to see how that pans out.

1169
01:13:09.239 --> 01:13:11.760
And I think I would give it yeah, because the aliens,

1170
01:13:11.800 --> 01:13:13.439
like I said, they kind of lowered the score.

1171
01:13:14.159 --> 01:13:16.319
Yeah, I think I'll give it a give it an eight.

1172
01:13:16.640 --> 01:13:17.199
How about that?

1173
01:13:20.119 --> 01:13:22.199
Just a straight eight or eight point something?

1174
01:13:22.880 --> 01:13:24.079
Eight point two.

1175
01:13:26.760 --> 01:13:30.279
Eight point two? Okay, all right, how about you?

1176
01:13:30.399 --> 01:13:30.800
Charles?

1177
01:13:34.279 --> 01:13:39.720
Ah, what's interesting and trying to figure out about these

1178
01:13:39.800 --> 01:13:46.159
aliens because they talk about they've basically traveled a generation,

1179
01:13:47.159 --> 01:13:50.319
which means there's a sentant of the originals who left

1180
01:13:51.359 --> 01:13:55.720
their planets. What's like, Okay, I don't know if they

1181
01:13:55.720 --> 01:14:00.720
don't have people of warp speed, if the genera relationship

1182
01:14:00.960 --> 01:14:07.760
or what, but if they do have it, then it's

1183
01:14:07.800 --> 01:14:14.079
confusing of how far they've traveled. I thought it interesting

1184
01:14:14.159 --> 01:14:16.640
how it was interesting how they kind of talked about

1185
01:14:18.039 --> 01:14:22.840
Con and Maguyver's relationship at the beginning, which is rather

1186
01:14:22.880 --> 01:14:28.159
interesting in the direction Con was going. But then all

1187
01:14:28.199 --> 01:14:32.640
of a sudden they get this warning that's like, okay,

1188
01:14:32.680 --> 01:14:36.600
something's going on, and I did look at did look

1189
01:14:36.640 --> 01:14:39.319
something up and says, okay. This happened about two months

1190
01:14:39.399 --> 01:14:45.560
after the last episode, so two months into their marriage

1191
01:14:45.600 --> 01:14:48.399
and all of a sudden, the planets we're getting this

1192
01:14:48.479 --> 01:14:54.439
first destruction of the planet. Now it's interesting to see

1193
01:14:54.520 --> 01:15:02.840
the how Zulu kind of goes through and defense, trying

1194
01:15:02.920 --> 01:15:08.479
to work so strong and defending Kirk. Oh, well Kirk

1195
01:15:08.479 --> 01:15:11.239
didn't know this and all this, and it's like okay,

1196
01:15:11.279 --> 01:15:16.119
well they've said they're sitting in the planet's geology there

1197
01:15:16.239 --> 01:15:18.520
was a little bit of unstability, but they didn't think

1198
01:15:18.560 --> 01:15:22.640
it would be a problem. Now I'm wondering if this

1199
01:15:23.119 --> 01:15:26.800
if the destruction started to occur and then these aliens

1200
01:15:26.840 --> 01:15:30.840
showed up, or did these aliens show up to start

1201
01:15:30.880 --> 01:15:35.960
to somewhat create this problem. So I'm curious how this

1202
01:15:36.079 --> 01:15:40.039
is going to work out, to how this balance is out,

1203
01:15:42.119 --> 01:15:44.840
But I think it's definitely making the story a little

1204
01:15:44.880 --> 01:15:50.159
more confusing, and I think I agree with Paul on

1205
01:15:50.199 --> 01:15:53.119
this one and going with a seven, I think they

1206
01:15:53.159 --> 01:15:54.920
need to work this story a little better on.

1207
01:15:54.920 --> 01:16:01.800
That, all right, A seven Charles, How about you, David

1208
01:16:02.640 --> 01:16:03.079
spill it?

1209
01:16:04.840 --> 01:16:05.520
Ah?

1210
01:16:05.520 --> 01:16:09.760
Well, I think this episode did a pretty good interpretation

1211
01:16:10.399 --> 01:16:15.279
of what happened, like the climax, if you will, sort

1212
01:16:15.279 --> 01:16:20.680
of speak the idea that con is now facing all

1213
01:16:20.720 --> 01:16:24.439
these new dangers that are coming about to explain what

1214
01:16:24.560 --> 01:16:28.800
happened in the Wrath of Khan. I actually enjoyed this one,

1215
01:16:28.840 --> 01:16:31.720
probably a little bit more than the people who had

1216
01:16:31.760 --> 01:16:36.319
actually given their story so far, but I like, like

1217
01:16:36.399 --> 01:16:39.760
what we mentioned. The sound effects was really great, and

1218
01:16:40.720 --> 01:16:44.119
kudos to whoever did that, because that's what I'm enjoying

1219
01:16:45.359 --> 01:16:50.159
the most with this audio broadcast is the sound effects

1220
01:16:50.199 --> 01:16:54.560
that they used. And there's just so many different sounds

1221
01:16:54.600 --> 01:16:57.800
that I can just enjoy. Even with somebody who has

1222
01:16:57.840 --> 01:17:02.239
a little bit of hard hearing like myself, they seem

1223
01:17:02.359 --> 01:17:06.520
to be within my frequency and it's it's actually really

1224
01:17:06.600 --> 01:17:10.640
interesting to hear all the different types of like running

1225
01:17:10.680 --> 01:17:14.960
around the you know, all the different challenge of the

1226
01:17:15.560 --> 01:17:19.199
whatever the situation, what's going on, And to me, I

1227
01:17:19.880 --> 01:17:23.880
enjoyed that quite a bit. So with that in mind,

1228
01:17:24.159 --> 01:17:28.760
the alien like what Charles was saying, you know, are

1229
01:17:28.760 --> 01:17:31.600
they the ones that caused this or are they just

1230
01:17:31.640 --> 01:17:33.640
coming through when the planet blew up on his own?

1231
01:17:33.680 --> 01:17:38.840
But it's like an interesting mystery to find out what's

1232
01:17:38.920 --> 01:17:41.279
going to happen in the next episode, and it's actually

1233
01:17:41.840 --> 01:17:44.960
keeps me wanting to listen to more because that's how

1234
01:17:45.000 --> 01:17:48.199
great it is, and it hooks me and it really

1235
01:17:48.560 --> 01:17:53.000
makes me want to hear the end, even though I

1236
01:17:53.039 --> 01:17:55.119
don't want to spoil it to anybody, and I haven't

1237
01:17:55.159 --> 01:17:57.399
actually seen the end yet or listened to the end,

1238
01:17:57.439 --> 01:18:01.000
but I actually kind of want them to see if

1239
01:18:01.000 --> 01:18:03.720
they could do like a season two of this, and

1240
01:18:03.760 --> 01:18:06.000
that'd be kind of interesting to get a little bit

1241
01:18:06.039 --> 01:18:09.199
more backstory of like what's gonna happen, because I feel

1242
01:18:09.199 --> 01:18:11.920
like we're already on the fifth episode and there's only

1243
01:18:11.960 --> 01:18:16.399
four more. It's just gonna be like another rush situation

1244
01:18:16.560 --> 01:18:19.640
where they're like gonna cram everything into a few episodes

1245
01:18:19.680 --> 01:18:21.520
and then that's it. I feel like they need a

1246
01:18:21.520 --> 01:18:25.439
little bit more backstory, so it's like, yeah, okay, But

1247
01:18:25.760 --> 01:18:28.279
to me, I think this is just the beginning, and

1248
01:18:28.319 --> 01:18:31.079
I'm hoping that they are going to continue, because it

1249
01:18:31.159 --> 01:18:34.279
should very fun to listen to and it's very fun

1250
01:18:34.319 --> 01:18:38.800
to talk about. So yeah, I originally was going to

1251
01:18:38.840 --> 01:18:41.079
be giving this one an eight, but I think I'm

1252
01:18:41.079 --> 01:18:42.800
actually going to put a point in this one and

1253
01:18:42.840 --> 01:18:44.000
go with an eight point five.

1254
01:18:45.840 --> 01:18:49.399
All right, how about you, Eric, what are your thoughts?

1255
01:18:51.479 --> 01:18:51.640
Uh?

1256
01:18:51.840 --> 01:18:54.560
Well, I think everybody's brought up some really good points.

1257
01:18:54.600 --> 01:18:57.239
I think it was Charles who was talking about the

1258
01:18:57.399 --> 01:19:01.840
conversation that occurred between Sulu and Lear all about Con.

1259
01:19:02.319 --> 01:19:04.680
I thought that was probably the best part of this episode.

1260
01:19:06.000 --> 01:19:09.520
You know, Sulu being the guy who was like, you know,

1261
01:19:09.680 --> 01:19:13.399
Con was the absolute worst of humanity's He's like nothing

1262
01:19:13.439 --> 01:19:16.840
but a killer, and Leear's like, well, are you sure

1263
01:19:17.239 --> 01:19:17.479
you know?

1264
01:19:18.199 --> 01:19:18.600
Doing her?

1265
01:19:18.680 --> 01:19:20.439
Thing that I think Paul said was, you know, the

1266
01:19:20.479 --> 01:19:24.720
crux of this series in general, So so I really

1267
01:19:24.800 --> 01:19:31.199
enjoyed that conversation. The idea that Sulu says pain makes monsters,

1268
01:19:31.800 --> 01:19:34.159
you know, that is more of a nurture thing and

1269
01:19:34.199 --> 01:19:36.439
not a nature thing. I've always thought that was true.

1270
01:19:36.640 --> 01:19:39.920
I think that theme was explored in Star Trek Nemesis,

1271
01:19:40.039 --> 01:19:45.840
despite its bad villain. So yeah, that was pretty good.

1272
01:19:45.960 --> 01:19:48.319
And then I guess. The only other thing that stands

1273
01:19:48.319 --> 01:19:50.079
out in this one at all to me was that

1274
01:19:50.640 --> 01:19:55.199
it seems kind of like the story of Con with

1275
01:19:55.319 --> 01:20:00.840
these aliens is almost like the story that the retell

1276
01:20:01.119 --> 01:20:04.960
about us getting warp drive with stuff from Cochrane and

1277
01:20:05.000 --> 01:20:06.880
then the Vulcans coming down. It was kind of like,

1278
01:20:07.399 --> 01:20:10.000
once you got to this point, then the Vulcans come

1279
01:20:10.039 --> 01:20:12.560
down and they save you, right And in this case,

1280
01:20:12.600 --> 01:20:14.640
it was like, Okay, once they get to this point,

1281
01:20:15.239 --> 01:20:19.800
the mystery alien comes down and saves you. And I'm

1282
01:20:19.840 --> 01:20:22.439
with Paul where I wanted that to just have a

1283
01:20:22.439 --> 01:20:24.479
little bit more meat to it. I wanted it to

1284
01:20:24.520 --> 01:20:29.920
be more about Con superior intellect or ingenuity or discovery

1285
01:20:30.239 --> 01:20:32.640
or you know they they I feel like they could

1286
01:20:32.640 --> 01:20:34.920
have milked that a little bit longer too, And the

1287
01:20:35.000 --> 01:20:40.520
aliens feel a little unnecessary to the story right now.

1288
01:20:40.560 --> 01:20:43.479
They're a bad substitute for what could have been a

1289
01:20:43.520 --> 01:20:47.680
really cool moment about why Con really is, you know,

1290
01:20:47.800 --> 01:20:51.439
deserving of his mantle, is you know, King of the

1291
01:20:51.479 --> 01:20:55.439
Augments or whatever. So so anyway, yeah, this one is

1292
01:20:55.479 --> 01:20:58.319
a little bit weaker for me. I think I've generally

1293
01:20:58.399 --> 01:21:01.039
rated these and that's kind of seven to nine range,

1294
01:21:01.079 --> 01:21:03.199
and I felt like this was the actually the weakest

1295
01:21:03.239 --> 01:21:06.279
one that I've listened to so far this season. So

1296
01:21:06.399 --> 01:21:07.880
I'm going to give this one a six.

1297
01:21:12.159 --> 01:21:18.399
A six, all right, A six from Eric. So the Aliens.

1298
01:21:19.560 --> 01:21:22.119
First of all, I don't think we needed the aliens

1299
01:21:22.159 --> 01:21:27.560
at all, because, if I'm correct, didn't one of the

1300
01:21:27.600 --> 01:21:30.359
Augments create a scanner and he was able to scan

1301
01:21:30.479 --> 01:21:32.520
the core of the planet in outer space and he

1302
01:21:32.600 --> 01:21:36.479
knew the Aliens were there. So if that's the case,

1303
01:21:37.079 --> 01:21:39.079
that that guy should have been able to find the

1304
01:21:39.119 --> 01:21:43.640
water source without the Aliens telling them, right, because didn't

1305
01:21:43.680 --> 01:21:48.399
he didn't he hot wire the scanner like a couple

1306
01:21:48.520 --> 01:21:51.720
episodes ago to be able to find the Seti eels underground.

1307
01:21:52.640 --> 01:21:55.159
So if he could find the Sety eels underground, he

1308
01:21:55.199 --> 01:21:58.359
should be able to recalibrate the thing to find water, right,

1309
01:21:59.319 --> 01:22:02.680
I would think, So you don't really need the Aliens

1310
01:22:03.439 --> 01:22:04.560
in order to find the water.

1311
01:22:05.640 --> 01:22:08.079
Do you think that? Let me ask you, I just

1312
01:22:08.079 --> 01:22:10.640
thought of this, Jim. Do you think that the aliens

1313
01:22:10.680 --> 01:22:15.720
thing could have been because they wanted to kind of

1314
01:22:15.760 --> 01:22:19.239
show this idea that all the Augments wanted to kill

1315
01:22:19.359 --> 01:22:22.880
them first? You know, I keep thinking of the aliens

1316
01:22:22.920 --> 01:22:24.760
as like, Okay, well they were benevolent, and so they

1317
01:22:24.760 --> 01:22:26.359
showed them where the water was, But like, do you

1318
01:22:26.359 --> 01:22:28.920
think the real reason that they brought them into the

1319
01:22:28.920 --> 01:22:32.159
story was that they wanted to show that the Augments

1320
01:22:32.159 --> 01:22:35.000
would naturally want to kill these things for some reason.

1321
01:22:35.560 --> 01:22:36.279
Trying to think of a good.

1322
01:22:36.199 --> 01:22:40.760
Reason they did. Well, I'm kind of with Charles. I

1323
01:22:40.840 --> 01:22:44.640
think the aliens caused the destruction of the planet. And

1324
01:22:44.720 --> 01:22:50.239
I and I'm just I'm reaching here, I'm grasping at straws,

1325
01:22:50.600 --> 01:22:56.600
but I'm thinking these aliens, uh, realizing thinking the planet

1326
01:22:56.720 --> 01:23:00.199
is uninhabited, and then finding out that it is, and

1327
01:23:00.239 --> 01:23:02.760
then thinking, well, we're going to kill all those people

1328
01:23:02.800 --> 01:23:05.319
that are there, maybe we should go and help them,

1329
01:23:06.000 --> 01:23:08.720
And so they come end up on the planet to

1330
01:23:08.760 --> 01:23:12.399
help them, but then CON's like, no, die, you must die,

1331
01:23:12.960 --> 01:23:16.399
and so their rescue mission turned into a flight for

1332
01:23:16.479 --> 01:23:20.399
life type of a deal. Because I think they're the

1333
01:23:20.439 --> 01:23:23.680
ones that cause the destruction of the planet. Because Zulu

1334
01:23:23.760 --> 01:23:26.239
makes it clear at the beginning that Spock is the

1335
01:23:26.239 --> 01:23:30.079
one that did the stand. Spock's not wrong, and he

1336
01:23:30.119 --> 01:23:32.439
says to the ladies, says, are you saying that Spock

1337
01:23:32.960 --> 01:23:35.720
you know, made a mistake or wasn't right or whatever.

1338
01:23:35.760 --> 01:23:39.039
So they've made it pretty clear that Kirk did not

1339
01:23:39.279 --> 01:23:41.960
know the planet was going to explode, The Federation wasn't

1340
01:23:42.000 --> 01:23:44.760
aware the planet was going to explode, and neither it Spock.

1341
01:23:44.880 --> 01:23:48.439
So something caused it to explode. And the only thing

1342
01:23:48.920 --> 01:23:53.319
we have are these telepathic whatever they are, Danebians or

1343
01:23:53.359 --> 01:23:53.960
whatever they are.

1344
01:23:54.640 --> 01:23:58.079
But wasn't Wasn't there a science y thing a couple

1345
01:23:58.119 --> 01:24:02.079
episodes ago where they were talking about there were tremors

1346
01:24:02.079 --> 01:24:03.920
in the planet or was that in the future? Was

1347
01:24:03.920 --> 01:24:08.319
that in the two voc future part of the story.

1348
01:24:09.159 --> 01:24:13.439
I think that was. I'm not sure. I don't remember

1349
01:24:13.479 --> 01:24:15.720
what parts I remember that part, but I don't remember

1350
01:24:15.760 --> 01:24:19.159
whether it was the Tuvoc future or not. But I

1351
01:24:19.479 --> 01:24:21.560
think the aliens are involved in it because I'm with

1352
01:24:21.600 --> 01:24:23.920
Paul and you guys, if the only reason for the

1353
01:24:23.960 --> 01:24:26.119
aliens to be there is for the water, it's a

1354
01:24:26.199 --> 01:24:29.920
lame excuse because Richter or whatever his name is had

1355
01:24:29.920 --> 01:24:31.720
to scan or could have found the water without him.

1356
01:24:32.399 --> 01:24:36.720
And I think the fact that when mcgyvers is telling him, oh, well,

1357
01:24:36.720 --> 01:24:39.119
they might have technology, they might be able to help us,

1358
01:24:39.119 --> 01:24:41.640
They might have this they might have that cons like, Okay,

1359
01:24:42.119 --> 01:24:44.880
we'll kill all of them, but twenty five, we'll let

1360
01:24:44.920 --> 01:24:47.840
the twenty five live and if they help us, then

1361
01:24:47.880 --> 01:24:53.439
we'll kill them later. So so yeah, I think I

1362
01:24:53.479 --> 01:24:56.680
think that it definitely demonstrates con and his and his

1363
01:24:56.920 --> 01:25:00.720
uh you know, crazed, you know, for power.

1364
01:25:02.119 --> 01:25:06.840
I could have sworn that that when the when Cede

1365
01:25:06.880 --> 01:25:12.359
Alpha six was exploding, that and then they see something

1366
01:25:12.359 --> 01:25:16.520
else that they said, Oh it's it's a ship or something.

1367
01:25:16.600 --> 01:25:19.479
I could have sworn that it seemed like that got

1368
01:25:19.520 --> 01:25:24.119
caught up in the exploding planet and that's why they

1369
01:25:24.199 --> 01:25:27.359
and they had to gosh. I wrote down my notes,

1370
01:25:27.359 --> 01:25:29.800
which of course I don't have in front of me.

1371
01:25:32.439 --> 01:25:35.560
Wasn't it where they had to repair their ship? I

1372
01:25:35.600 --> 01:25:37.199
thought that's why they landed there.

1373
01:25:37.840 --> 01:25:40.560
No, you're you're absolutely right, which is why I don't

1374
01:25:40.560 --> 01:25:42.720
necessarily buy the idea that the aliens were the ones

1375
01:25:42.760 --> 01:25:45.159
who've looped the planet, because it seemed like they actually

1376
01:25:45.359 --> 01:25:46.560
that was the reason they crashed.

1377
01:25:46.680 --> 01:25:48.800
Yeah, because that would be really just that would be

1378
01:25:48.840 --> 01:25:52.319
really stupid if they use like their Telekinese's powers to

1379
01:25:52.439 --> 01:25:58.000
destroy the planet and then their ship gets hit our ship, Yeah,

1380
01:25:58.039 --> 01:26:01.880
and they wipe out on the planet, know, and they're

1381
01:26:01.920 --> 01:26:03.800
just there. They just was like, man, I just want

1382
01:26:03.800 --> 01:26:05.800
to get my ship repaired and get out of here,

1383
01:26:06.319 --> 01:26:08.199
and you want to you want us to be all

1384
01:26:08.279 --> 01:26:10.560
be I'll be dead, so let me do this freaky

1385
01:26:10.600 --> 01:26:13.760
mind meld on you and you know, but that was

1386
01:26:13.800 --> 01:26:14.640
that was really weird.

1387
01:26:14.680 --> 01:26:16.319
How just a very.

1388
01:26:16.119 --> 01:26:22.560
Big shift in CON's whole mentality. You'll finally trusting somebody.

1389
01:26:25.800 --> 01:26:29.600
Yeah, I I I really liked the beginning with with

1390
01:26:29.920 --> 01:26:33.520
uh Sulu. I thought that was, you know, to hear

1391
01:26:33.560 --> 01:26:36.520
Sulu's point of view, it was cool, but it went

1392
01:26:36.560 --> 01:26:40.239
downhill from there for me, and the freaky silver aliens

1393
01:26:40.239 --> 01:26:45.479
that were that had telepathic abilities was really weird. So

1394
01:26:47.600 --> 01:26:50.079
I got to go with a C D D D

1395
01:26:50.279 --> 01:26:53.640
six point five on this one, not quite a seven.

1396
01:26:54.800 --> 01:26:57.399
I actually got an interesting theory. I mean, I'm assuming

1397
01:26:57.399 --> 01:27:00.279
nobody had seen the next episode or listen to it,

1398
01:27:00.359 --> 01:27:03.920
so we might not know. Okay, what if this was

1399
01:27:03.960 --> 01:27:06.600
all in con imagination when he was knocked out, that

1400
01:27:06.680 --> 01:27:09.000
he's visual agenty aliens.

1401
01:27:10.239 --> 01:27:17.399
If this is all a dream, I'm done seven seasons

1402
01:27:17.399 --> 01:27:19.560
on Laws and it wasn't worth it.

1403
01:27:21.159 --> 01:27:23.119
I don't know, It's it's interesting. I mean, they saw

1404
01:27:23.159 --> 01:27:25.560
a ship crash, all the aliens could be dead. But

1405
01:27:25.600 --> 01:27:28.119
then I mean, I got there. There was a part

1406
01:27:28.119 --> 01:27:30.399
where he was looking through the binoculation and saw people.

1407
01:27:30.520 --> 01:27:32.439
I guess, I don't know, maybe not, Okay, never mind.

1408
01:27:33.159 --> 01:27:35.920
Wasn't there? Didn't they say there was four hundred of

1409
01:27:35.960 --> 01:27:37.239
them that were alive.

1410
01:27:37.560 --> 01:27:40.600
Talking about something because it was they said it was

1411
01:27:40.640 --> 01:27:42.359
like a four to one ratio, and they have like

1412
01:27:42.439 --> 01:27:44.159
sixty five people now or something.

1413
01:27:44.439 --> 01:27:45.039
So many people?

1414
01:27:45.119 --> 01:27:46.239
Yeah, yeah, something like that.

1415
01:27:46.560 --> 01:27:52.119
Because I mean, this is a starting to get to

1416
01:27:52.199 --> 01:27:56.079
the point where we're invalidating the whole story frankly, right,

1417
01:27:56.119 --> 01:27:59.920
because right, we're supposed to be the Augments, and Conn

1418
01:28:00.119 --> 01:28:02.800
always like, oh, superior intellect, right, But yet he can't

1419
01:28:02.800 --> 01:28:06.439
even find the freaking underground lake himself, right, He's like, no,

1420
01:28:06.520 --> 01:28:10.840
he's relying on some mumbo jumbo nonsense to help him

1421
01:28:10.840 --> 01:28:12.680
find it. So where is the superior intellect? And if

1422
01:28:12.720 --> 01:28:16.079
these guys have this ship that they're trying to repair, yes,

1423
01:28:17.520 --> 01:28:19.760
so at the very least you would think Ton would

1424
01:28:19.760 --> 01:28:21.439
be like, all right, we'll kill these guys, will take

1425
01:28:21.439 --> 01:28:23.359
their ship, we'll get off of here, and we'll we'll

1426
01:28:24.520 --> 01:28:26.720
save ourselves using their ship and this is not even

1427
01:28:26.920 --> 01:28:30.359
entering the conversation here in this episode, right, I mean,

1428
01:28:30.399 --> 01:28:32.640
it's just like it's sort of maybe there's room they

1429
01:28:32.640 --> 01:28:35.159
could there's not that many augments, they could take some

1430
01:28:35.239 --> 01:28:37.520
extra people with them, right, there's like, you know, just

1431
01:28:37.520 --> 01:28:40.479
a few. So yeah, it's just it's I find the

1432
01:28:40.520 --> 01:28:43.479
writing really confusing me. Maybe in the next episode or so,

1433
01:28:43.560 --> 01:28:47.520
it'll really uh, you know, redeem itself and we'll get

1434
01:28:47.560 --> 01:28:50.199
some explanations. But with what is suddenly being introduced, I

1435
01:28:50.199 --> 01:28:52.920
feel it's just like, you know, raising a lot of

1436
01:28:52.960 --> 01:28:56.159
potentialities that just is not being addressed. So it's it's

1437
01:28:56.199 --> 01:28:58.960
it's very confusing to me with the direction that suddenly

1438
01:28:59.000 --> 01:28:59.479
it's going.

1439
01:29:01.439 --> 01:29:04.039
Yeah, I agree completely.

1440
01:29:05.079 --> 01:29:07.600
Charles, Oh, you got to get off this planet because

1441
01:29:07.600 --> 01:29:10.319
it's going to explode. Conveniently the spaceship arrives.

1442
01:29:12.479 --> 01:29:17.760
You you know, what makes me think of Gilligan's Island.

1443
01:29:17.840 --> 01:29:22.239
You know, the castaways, and they have these opportunities to

1444
01:29:22.279 --> 01:29:25.960
get off the island and they blow each and every.

1445
01:29:25.720 --> 01:29:28.600
One of them, you know, or Gilligan usually, I don't know.

1446
01:29:29.239 --> 01:29:37.600
Usually Gilligan. So Charles, overall, what do the truck spirts

1447
01:29:37.600 --> 01:29:38.760
think about this episode?

1448
01:29:39.960 --> 01:29:42.680
Well, the truck spirts. This is there lowest score so

1449
01:29:42.840 --> 01:29:44.319
far to seven point.

1450
01:29:44.039 --> 01:29:52.000
Two m seven point two. Okay, so there you have it.

1451
01:29:52.079 --> 01:29:54.680
Let's let's hope that episode six goes in a different direction.

1452
01:29:55.359 --> 01:29:56.199
Yep, I hope.

1453
01:29:57.039 --> 01:30:01.079
All right, guys, Well, now, how was time for our

1454
01:30:01.760 --> 01:30:23.880
Star Trek birthdays? That was not a clue on song?

1455
01:30:25.000 --> 01:30:28.319
All right, guys, so uh, these are actually sci fi

1456
01:30:28.359 --> 01:30:31.000
birthdays because we've added the Beyond in there, so we

1457
01:30:31.079 --> 01:30:34.600
have we have some that are not Star Trek related birthdays,

1458
01:30:34.600 --> 01:30:38.199
but that's fine. We always start off the podcast by

1459
01:30:38.239 --> 01:30:41.199
remembering those members of our sci fi family who, sadly enough,

1460
01:30:41.560 --> 01:30:44.000
are no longer with us, and for that we turned

1461
01:30:44.039 --> 01:30:44.439
to Eric.

1462
01:30:46.000 --> 01:30:49.399
All Right, John, I was gonna say John, because our

1463
01:30:49.520 --> 01:30:51.880
very first person that we are honoring this week is

1464
01:30:52.000 --> 01:30:57.119
John Winston, the actor who played Kyle through all three

1465
01:30:57.199 --> 01:31:02.520
seasons of Star Trek the original series. I would say,

1466
01:31:02.960 --> 01:31:05.600
like lieutenant or chief, but he's a few different things

1467
01:31:05.640 --> 01:31:07.199
in a few different places, so he was in the

1468
01:31:07.239 --> 01:31:10.640
original series. He reprised the role of course in Star

1469
01:31:10.720 --> 01:31:14.880
Trek two The Wrath of Kahn, also portraying Kyle's Mirror

1470
01:31:15.039 --> 01:31:19.880
Universe version in Mirror Mirror, and he was actually also

1471
01:31:20.000 --> 01:31:24.079
the ISS Enterprise's computer. Remember how the ISS Enterprise had

1472
01:31:24.079 --> 01:31:28.359
like a male voice instead of the major Rodberry voice. Yeah,

1473
01:31:28.520 --> 01:31:31.720
it was Lieutenant Kyle, So there you go. He was

1474
01:31:31.920 --> 01:31:34.960
one of only three people though, who actually played this role,

1475
01:31:35.000 --> 01:31:40.560
because you'll remember probably Andrew day Kim from Strange New Worlds,

1476
01:31:40.800 --> 01:31:44.079
so you know, somewhere along the way, Kyle looks a

1477
01:31:44.079 --> 01:31:47.600
little bit different. But also, if believe it or not,

1478
01:31:47.720 --> 01:31:50.199
he was played by James Dowen because James Dowen did

1479
01:31:50.199 --> 01:31:52.880
the voice for him when he was in an episode

1480
01:31:52.920 --> 01:31:53.960
of the animated series.

1481
01:31:54.239 --> 01:31:55.399
So there you go.

1482
01:31:56.119 --> 01:31:59.319
But outside of Star Trek, Winston's probably best known for

1483
01:31:59.439 --> 01:32:03.800
being in that time tunnel pilot called Rendezvous with Yesterday.

1484
01:32:04.880 --> 01:32:06.960
He was on a few other television shows back in

1485
01:32:07.000 --> 01:32:10.000
the day, and then it kind of made his way

1486
01:32:10.000 --> 01:32:13.560
into fandom, the fan stuff because he portrayed somebody named

1487
01:32:13.560 --> 01:32:17.920
Captain Jeffries in Star Trek New Voyages in an episode

1488
01:32:17.920 --> 01:32:21.399
called Come What May. So Happy Birthday to John Winston,

1489
01:32:21.840 --> 01:32:25.439
lost at ninety one years old in twenty nineteen. Happy

1490
01:32:25.439 --> 01:32:28.159
Birthday to Ron veto the actor and stuntman who portrayed

1491
01:32:28.239 --> 01:32:31.359
Harrison in the first season of the original series. Apart

1492
01:32:31.399 --> 01:32:33.600
from this role in Star Trek, he did a number

1493
01:32:33.640 --> 01:32:36.800
of films, including a couple with Jeffrey Hunter Believe It

1494
01:32:36.880 --> 01:32:39.920
or Not. He also performed stunts in numerous films, such

1495
01:32:39.920 --> 01:32:42.920
as Around the World in Eighty Days in Von Ryan's Express.

1496
01:32:43.479 --> 01:32:46.880
He was also active in the filmmaking business, mostly behind

1497
01:32:46.920 --> 01:32:51.079
the camera as a steadycam operator and cinematographer on numerous projects.

1498
01:32:51.159 --> 01:32:55.840
So happy birthday to the multi talented ron Veto, Happy

1499
01:32:55.840 --> 01:32:59.359
Birthday to Wit Bissel, best known to Star Trek fans

1500
01:32:59.399 --> 01:33:02.520
as playing Lurie on the TOS second season episode The

1501
01:33:02.520 --> 01:33:06.159
Trouble with Tribles. One of Bissell's more memorable roles is

1502
01:33:06.159 --> 01:33:10.199
that as doctor Alfred Brandon in I Was a Teenage Werewolf.

1503
01:33:10.239 --> 01:33:14.039
In nineteen fifty seven, he appeared in several motion pictures

1504
01:33:14.079 --> 01:33:17.119
Along the Way in addition to Star Trek, and in

1505
01:33:17.239 --> 01:33:20.600
nineteen fifty six appeared in the original The Invasion of

1506
01:33:20.640 --> 01:33:24.479
the Body Snatchers in a minor uncredited role as a

1507
01:33:24.520 --> 01:33:28.239
hospital psychiatrist who interviews the film's main star, played by

1508
01:33:28.319 --> 01:33:31.439
Kevin McCarthy. I could keep going on Witbissle and all

1509
01:33:31.439 --> 01:33:33.520
the many things he's done, but suffice to say that

1510
01:33:33.600 --> 01:33:36.560
his guest starring appearances are epic and you should go

1511
01:33:36.680 --> 01:33:39.279
check out his resume. Happy Birthday to Wit lost back

1512
01:33:39.319 --> 01:33:43.800
in nineteen ninety six. Happy Birthday to Viola Kates Stimpson,

1513
01:33:43.880 --> 01:33:48.760
the actress who played a Lady in Tour or a

1514
01:33:48.800 --> 01:33:51.279
Lady on Tour in Star Trek four The Voyage Home.

1515
01:33:52.119 --> 01:33:56.039
She often played a woman credited simply as old woman

1516
01:33:56.319 --> 01:33:59.199
or old lady in multiple things, which I think is

1517
01:33:59.279 --> 01:34:03.039
kind of funny. Began her acting career in the seventies,

1518
01:34:03.119 --> 01:34:05.920
did a bunch of guest starring stuff as old lady.

1519
01:34:06.079 --> 01:34:11.119
In the eighties and nineties, did some movies like some

1520
01:34:11.279 --> 01:34:13.359
b movies, kind of things along the way, like The

1521
01:34:13.439 --> 01:34:17.960
Nutty Professor Part two and things. But what's really cool

1522
01:34:18.000 --> 01:34:19.760
about her is that she lived to be one hundred

1523
01:34:19.800 --> 01:34:22.960
and one years old. She was actually the first Star

1524
01:34:23.039 --> 01:34:26.880
Trek actor to reach that threshold of one hundred years old,

1525
01:34:27.159 --> 01:34:29.239
and that was all the way back in two thousand

1526
01:34:29.239 --> 01:34:32.760
and seven she turned one hundred so or two thousand

1527
01:34:32.760 --> 01:34:35.199
and six, excuse me, so we did lose her at

1528
01:34:35.199 --> 01:34:37.279
one hundred and one years old in January of two

1529
01:34:37.319 --> 01:34:41.520
thousand and eight. Happy Birthday to Viola Kate's Stimpson. Happy

1530
01:34:41.560 --> 01:34:44.680
birthday to Peter Daniels, the English actor who played Isaac

1531
01:34:44.720 --> 01:34:47.560
Newton in The Star Trek Voyager second season episode Death

1532
01:34:47.600 --> 01:34:53.159
Wish and Admiral Hendricks in the seventh season episode Friendship One.

1533
01:34:54.239 --> 01:34:58.439
Also did some voice acting along the way and has

1534
01:34:58.479 --> 01:35:01.359
a couple of other fun live acting things to his credit.

1535
01:35:01.359 --> 01:35:03.199
You should go check him out. We lost him back

1536
01:35:03.239 --> 01:35:05.039
in two thousand and nine at seventy five years old.

1537
01:35:05.079 --> 01:35:10.319
Happy birthday to Peter Dennis. Happy birthday to ed Reimers,

1538
01:35:11.600 --> 01:35:16.159
also known as Edwin Warren Reimers, the actor and veteran

1539
01:35:16.199 --> 01:35:19.800
television and commercial announcer who played Admiral Fitzpatrick in the

1540
01:35:19.920 --> 01:35:23.199
TOS second season episode in Trouble with Tribbles. You may

1541
01:35:23.239 --> 01:35:25.720
not know his face, but you know his hands. He,

1542
01:35:25.800 --> 01:35:28.520
of course, for a long time, was the spokesperson for

1543
01:35:28.560 --> 01:35:31.600
the Illinois based insurance company All State. He was the

1544
01:35:31.640 --> 01:35:36.000
All State whose good hands you were in, so to speak.

1545
01:35:36.680 --> 01:35:39.359
He had that job for twenty two years, which I

1546
01:35:39.399 --> 01:35:42.600
think is a pretty cool thing. He did a ton

1547
01:35:42.640 --> 01:35:45.840
of other voiceover stuff and it actually subbed in for

1548
01:35:45.960 --> 01:35:48.800
Hugh Downs on The Tonight Show whenever he couldn't make

1549
01:35:48.840 --> 01:35:54.000
it due to vacation or other illnesses or whatever, so

1550
01:35:54.159 --> 01:35:57.600
kind of interesting. Was a spokesperson for Lockheed Missiles and

1551
01:35:57.640 --> 01:36:02.640
Space Company. Ended up in Saratoga Springs, New York then

1552
01:36:03.039 --> 01:36:04.880
toward the end of his life, and we lost him

1553
01:36:04.880 --> 01:36:06.880
back in two thousand and nine at the age of

1554
01:36:06.960 --> 01:36:10.359
ninety six years old. So happy birthday to the all

1555
01:36:10.439 --> 01:36:15.479
state man Ed Reimers. Happy birthday to kl Smith. Kennis

1556
01:36:15.560 --> 01:36:18.800
Lovell Smith, the actor who played the Klingon captain in

1557
01:36:18.840 --> 01:36:23.399
the TS third season episode Alon of troyas a few

1558
01:36:23.520 --> 01:36:26.319
guest television things and a few television movies to his

1559
01:36:26.399 --> 01:36:30.800
credit to Happy birthday and lots of remembrances going out

1560
01:36:30.800 --> 01:36:34.359
to kay El Smith. Happy birthday as well to Steve Sandor,

1561
01:36:34.439 --> 01:36:37.600
the actor who played Lars in THETS second season episode

1562
01:36:38.119 --> 01:36:42.680
The Gamesters of Treskellion. He spent some time in his

1563
01:36:42.760 --> 01:36:46.880
life as a steel worker and copy machine salesman in

1564
01:36:47.000 --> 01:36:49.920
his hometown, which I think is really cool. He also

1565
01:36:50.000 --> 01:36:53.520
used to train centry dogs while serving as an air

1566
01:36:53.560 --> 01:36:58.119
policeman in the US Air Force, and he had multiple

1567
01:36:58.159 --> 01:37:04.920
black belts in showing Cha Fa, kung Fu and cheese

1568
01:37:04.920 --> 01:37:09.920
side doo. What didn't this guy do? I can tell

1569
01:37:09.920 --> 01:37:12.439
you that he was the voice of the heroic dark

1570
01:37:12.439 --> 01:37:16.159
Wolf in the nineteen eighty three animated fantasy film Fire

1571
01:37:16.279 --> 01:37:19.319
and Ice. But that wouldn't even go a little way

1572
01:37:19.359 --> 01:37:21.800
towards talking about what Steve Sandor has done in his career,

1573
01:37:21.840 --> 01:37:23.880
So he should go check him out as well. Multi

1574
01:37:23.920 --> 01:37:27.600
talented lost Back in twenty seventeen, Happy birthday to Steve.

1575
01:37:28.359 --> 01:37:31.319
Happy birthday to William Campbell, the actor who played Trelaine

1576
01:37:31.439 --> 01:37:34.760
in the TOS first season episode The Squire of Gothzos.

1577
01:37:34.920 --> 01:37:38.880
He also played Cole Oath in the second season episode

1578
01:37:39.159 --> 01:37:42.720
The Trouble with Tribles, later, of course, reprising that role

1579
01:37:42.840 --> 01:37:46.680
in Star Trek Deep Space nine's second season episode Blood Oath.

1580
01:37:48.239 --> 01:37:51.199
Campbell had always reveled in his Star Trek fame and

1581
01:37:51.279 --> 01:37:54.079
had lent his presence to numerous events in Star Trek

1582
01:37:54.119 --> 01:37:56.960
convention circuits for a very long time. Jim, did you

1583
01:37:56.960 --> 01:37:59.720
ever get the chance to meet William Campbell in your

1584
01:37:59.760 --> 01:38:01.720
many travels?

1585
01:38:02.239 --> 01:38:04.800
Actually I did. He was at a convention up with

1586
01:38:04.800 --> 01:38:08.800
Syracuse with John Delancey, and John Delancey told us at

1587
01:38:08.800 --> 01:38:12.920
the convention that he was his son, something that they

1588
01:38:13.359 --> 01:38:16.760
came to be a reality on Strange New Worlds and

1589
01:38:16.800 --> 01:38:18.680
that was way way, way, way, way way back in

1590
01:38:18.760 --> 01:38:20.039
nineteen eighty eight.

1591
01:38:21.600 --> 01:38:25.760
Amazing. So William Campbell not only known as Trelaine, but

1592
01:38:25.800 --> 01:38:29.640
he was the first actor to ever sing with Elvis

1593
01:38:29.720 --> 01:38:32.760
Presley in a motion picture. He sang with him in

1594
01:38:32.800 --> 01:38:35.479
the movie Love Me Tender from nineteen fifty six. A

1595
01:38:35.520 --> 01:38:39.640
close personal friend of DeForest Kelly, I know he was

1596
01:38:39.960 --> 01:38:44.720
missed when that man was lost. And during his acting career,

1597
01:38:44.880 --> 01:38:48.039
or well actually following his acting career, he worked with

1598
01:38:48.079 --> 01:38:51.279
the Motion Picture and Television Fund, at one point being

1599
01:38:51.760 --> 01:38:55.439
its administrator and chief fundraiser, so he stayed in the

1600
01:38:55.479 --> 01:38:59.359
business even after he stopped acting. Happy birthday to William

1601
01:38:59.479 --> 01:39:04.680
Campbell born October thirtieth today, way back in nineteen twenty three,

1602
01:39:06.000 --> 01:39:08.439
and last, but not least, Happy birthday to Jack Donner,

1603
01:39:08.640 --> 01:39:11.359
the actor who played Tal in the TOS third season

1604
01:39:11.399 --> 01:39:15.439
episode The Enterprise Incident and a Vulcan priest in Enterprise

1605
01:39:15.560 --> 01:39:19.880
this four season episodes Home and Kiirshara. One of only

1606
01:39:20.000 --> 01:39:24.239
five actors to appear on both TOS and on Enterprise.

1607
01:39:25.159 --> 01:39:28.600
He actually helped found the Oxford Theater Company in Los

1608
01:39:28.640 --> 01:39:32.720
Angeles way back in nineteen sixty six, did a few

1609
01:39:32.760 --> 01:39:38.079
other things like guest starring in television shows and TV movies.

1610
01:39:38.119 --> 01:39:41.479
But in nineteen seventy seven he retired from acting and

1611
01:39:41.520 --> 01:39:45.159
studied to become a licensed psychotherapist. After a few years

1612
01:39:45.159 --> 01:39:48.199
of practice, he returned to acting in nineteen ninety one.

1613
01:39:48.239 --> 01:39:53.279
He couldn't quite stay away. So Jack Donner multi talented.

1614
01:39:53.520 --> 01:39:55.680
I think the Tao characters a really cool one from

1615
01:39:55.720 --> 01:39:58.399
that episode, So Happy Birthday to Jack Donner lost back

1616
01:39:58.439 --> 01:40:02.199
in twenty nineteen at nineteen years old, and that was

1617
01:40:02.239 --> 01:40:04.960
a long list of remembrances, but I felt it worthy

1618
01:40:05.039 --> 01:40:07.680
of doing justice to it. So Charles, would you like

1619
01:40:07.720 --> 01:40:09.159
to bring it back to the land of the living

1620
01:40:09.159 --> 01:40:09.760
so to speak?

1621
01:40:11.039 --> 01:40:12.319
Oh, thank you very much.

1622
01:40:12.439 --> 01:40:12.680
Eric.

1623
01:40:13.199 --> 01:40:17.199
Let's start off the Happy Birthday to Biff Jaeger, who

1624
01:40:17.239 --> 01:40:23.840
played the Chief Engineer Commander Argyll in cng's first season

1625
01:40:23.880 --> 01:40:30.239
episode where No Man's Gone Before and Data Lore. Happy

1626
01:40:30.279 --> 01:40:38.319
Birthday to Mark L. Taylor, who played Herr Harteleth and

1627
01:40:38.560 --> 01:40:43.520
Star Trek Discoveries sext Next Generations thursdayson episode Ensign of

1628
01:40:43.640 --> 01:40:49.399
Command and Jarreth and Star Trek Borgos third season episode Displaced.

1629
01:40:52.640 --> 01:40:59.479
Happy Birthday to Christa Jang, Canadian actress who played Rob

1630
01:40:59.520 --> 01:41:05.880
in the short Trek episode The Trouble with Edward. Happy

1631
01:41:05.920 --> 01:41:10.640
birthday to Tom Jackson, Canadian actor and singer who appeared

1632
01:41:10.800 --> 01:41:20.840
as La Kandia in TG's seventeenthon episode journeys End. Happy

1633
01:41:20.880 --> 01:41:27.079
birthday to Lenin Parham, actress comedian who voice Shari Yen

1634
01:41:27.920 --> 01:41:34.880
Yem in Star Trek Lower Deck sixteenth episode I excret Us.

1635
01:41:37.239 --> 01:41:42.079
Happy birthday to Jasmine Anthony, actress who played Tala in

1636
01:41:42.239 --> 01:41:47.479
Enterprises fourth season episode. These are the voyages. I'm sure

1637
01:41:47.520 --> 01:41:52.000
one of Eric one of Eric's favorite characters. Now some

1638
01:41:52.119 --> 01:41:57.960
big ones from me. Definitely a very very happy birthday

1639
01:41:58.039 --> 01:42:03.760
to Matthew Smith that's known for playing Matthew Smith. Better

1640
01:42:03.800 --> 01:42:07.560
known for US is Matt Smith, most known for playing

1641
01:42:07.600 --> 01:42:14.760
the Eleventh Doctor in the BBS series Doctor Who. We've

1642
01:42:14.800 --> 01:42:19.960
seen him in several other series, Damien Targian in the

1643
01:42:19.960 --> 01:42:23.439
House of the Dragon and the Physical form of Skynet

1644
01:42:23.640 --> 01:42:29.800
in tournamentent Genesis, and I think there's several others that

1645
01:42:29.840 --> 01:42:32.479
he's done in that's done some very well with it.

1646
01:42:33.840 --> 01:42:38.199
Happy birthday to Richard Dreyfus, American actors who appeared in

1647
01:42:38.239 --> 01:42:41.600
the films such as American Derafini Jaws, Close Encounters a

1648
01:42:41.680 --> 01:42:46.640
Third Kind and Goodbye Girl. Oh gee, I think we

1649
01:42:46.800 --> 01:42:50.960
mentioned a couple of those films earlier. Today, he's well

1650
01:42:51.000 --> 01:42:55.840
known for being in movies with taglines, I guess, and

1651
01:42:55.880 --> 01:43:01.399
finally on my list, A very happy birthday to Pappy.

1652
01:43:01.520 --> 01:43:05.720
Birthday to Robert Briccardo, actress had played the doctor and

1653
01:43:05.840 --> 01:43:10.439
voyager the second season of Star Trek Prodigy and will

1654
01:43:10.439 --> 01:43:17.760
appear in Starfleet Academy. Happy birthday, Robert. I know uss

1655
01:43:17.840 --> 01:43:21.000
Las Vegas hasn't been involved with some of selling some

1656
01:43:21.079 --> 01:43:24.520
of his merchandise back in some of the past Star

1657
01:43:24.600 --> 01:43:31.119
Trek Las Vegas conventions. So I'm taking this very flaming

1658
01:43:31.239 --> 01:43:33.640
and burning down towards the bottom and still a ways

1659
01:43:33.680 --> 01:43:35.439
to go. Candle over to Paul.

1660
01:43:37.600 --> 01:43:37.920
Charles.

1661
01:43:37.960 --> 01:43:40.119
Let's get rocking and roll in. Okay, First of all,

1662
01:43:40.199 --> 01:43:44.119
let's say happy birthday to Acclaim, the actor f Murray Abraham,

1663
01:43:44.680 --> 01:43:48.960
who in Star Trek we acknowledge for being portraying the

1664
01:43:49.399 --> 01:43:54.560
Ruolpho character in Star Trek Insurrection under a lot of

1665
01:43:54.920 --> 01:44:00.720
heavily applied prosthesis, but of course I think hasmerous other

1666
01:44:02.239 --> 01:44:07.039
roles in film and theater loom even larger. Of course, everyone.

1667
01:44:07.319 --> 01:44:10.000
How can you forget him playing the incredible role of

1668
01:44:10.000 --> 01:44:14.279
Salieri in medeas which where he I think, really became

1669
01:44:14.279 --> 01:44:16.800
a household name. So we are big fans of f

1670
01:44:16.880 --> 01:44:20.880
Murray Abraham, a legendary guy. Happy birthday to Nika Futterman,

1671
01:44:21.319 --> 01:44:24.880
American actress, voice actress and singer who best known for

1672
01:44:25.359 --> 01:44:30.399
voicing Assage of Ventess in the phenomenal Star Wars Clone

1673
01:44:30.399 --> 01:44:35.680
Wars franchise and other spokes of the Wheel where Ventress

1674
01:44:35.680 --> 01:44:38.159
has shown up. I would not be at all surprised

1675
01:44:38.159 --> 01:44:42.119
to see her doing that again in the upcoming mall

1676
01:44:42.239 --> 01:44:45.760
Shadow Lord series in the next few months, So keep

1677
01:44:45.800 --> 01:44:48.960
your eyes out there, but Assage Ventress very popular character.

1678
01:44:49.960 --> 01:44:54.039
Seth McFarlane. We're acknowledging here another Scorpio who played Rivers

1679
01:44:54.079 --> 01:44:57.479
in the Enterprise episodes have Forgotten and Afflicted, best known

1680
01:44:57.560 --> 01:45:02.359
as the multi talented creator of family and the Star

1681
01:45:02.439 --> 01:45:05.800
Trek inspired live action series The Orville, which has got

1682
01:45:05.840 --> 01:45:09.000
a big following, and it's nice to see him be

1683
01:45:09.119 --> 01:45:12.640
acknowledged here, So very very nice. Happy birthday to Elias

1684
01:45:12.680 --> 01:45:16.439
to Fexus, a Canadian actor who played Cold in Discovery's

1685
01:45:16.479 --> 01:45:19.960
first season episode Context Is for Kings and the Och

1686
01:45:20.439 --> 01:45:24.840
in the fifth season episode that is not listed in

1687
01:45:24.960 --> 01:45:28.479
my notes, so we'll just have to remember that. I

1688
01:45:28.479 --> 01:45:32.640
think he appeared in numerous episodes asla Och if I remember.

1689
01:45:33.800 --> 01:45:38.319
Moving on to Anthony Rapp, phenomenal American stage and film

1690
01:45:38.319 --> 01:45:42.680
actor plays Paul Stammets on Star Trek Discoveries. Absolutely one

1691
01:45:42.680 --> 01:45:49.279
of the recurring bright lights of Star Trek Discovery. Of course,

1692
01:45:49.720 --> 01:45:52.560
made a name for himself in Rent, where I think

1693
01:45:52.600 --> 01:45:56.159
people discovered him, but tremendous talent, had a very big,

1694
01:45:56.199 --> 01:46:01.119
interesting career. Hire this guy. He's phenomenal and as I think,

1695
01:46:01.880 --> 01:46:06.239
a great feature and one of the better talents on Discovery.

1696
01:46:06.439 --> 01:46:10.039
I really think he's just tremendous. Super excited to get

1697
01:46:10.079 --> 01:46:13.640
to a wish birthday greetings as well to the luminous

1698
01:46:13.640 --> 01:46:18.800
Wanona writer Academy Award nominated actress who played Amanda Grayson

1699
01:46:19.079 --> 01:46:24.239
in Star Trek The jj Abrams two thousand and nine iteration,

1700
01:46:24.479 --> 01:46:26.520
and you're going to be seeing a lot of her

1701
01:46:26.640 --> 01:46:30.039
in a few short weeks because she's also of course,

1702
01:46:30.680 --> 01:46:35.159
Joyce Byers in Netflix is returning Stranger Things, which is

1703
01:46:35.199 --> 01:46:40.000
about to come back for its swan song final season,

1704
01:46:40.039 --> 01:46:42.399
and did you know the very last episode of Stranger

1705
01:46:42.479 --> 01:46:45.960
Things is actually getting a theatrical release. How about that?

1706
01:46:46.039 --> 01:46:47.600
So you can actually go to the theater with a

1707
01:46:47.640 --> 01:46:51.039
bunch of like minded fans and watch the final hours

1708
01:46:51.039 --> 01:46:53.880
of Stranger Things in a rip roaring auditorium. So that's

1709
01:46:53.920 --> 01:46:57.279
pretty cool. Winona writer, of course, played Lydia Deets and

1710
01:46:57.319 --> 01:47:02.119
Beatle Juice and the sequel, and the character named Caul

1711
01:47:02.840 --> 01:47:06.079
in Alien Resurrection and just a ton of different things.

1712
01:47:06.279 --> 01:47:10.800
Win Ona Ryder is a great talent and really respective.

1713
01:47:10.920 --> 01:47:14.439
She's a lot of fun. Happy birthday to someone I'm

1714
01:47:14.479 --> 01:47:18.920
a big fan of. Gwendolyn Christie, distinguished a British actress

1715
01:47:19.079 --> 01:47:23.079
renowned for her partial of Brianne of Char on Game

1716
01:47:23.119 --> 01:47:28.479
of Thrones. Absolutely spectacular work there, and also played Captain

1717
01:47:28.520 --> 01:47:33.000
FAsMA in the Star Star Wars sequels but I cannot talk,

1718
01:47:33.439 --> 01:47:37.960
my mouth is wire cross with and also the Star

1719
01:47:38.000 --> 01:47:41.560
Wars sequel trilogy. There I got it out Captain FAsMA.

1720
01:47:41.720 --> 01:47:45.279
Gwenham Christie stands an impressive six feet three inches tall. See,

1721
01:47:45.279 --> 01:47:47.239
you better say nice things about her. She's gonna kick

1722
01:47:47.279 --> 01:47:52.279
your ass. And finally for me, Happy birthday to Daphne Zuniger,

1723
01:47:52.600 --> 01:47:58.039
American actress who portrayed Princess Vespa in space Balls. Will

1724
01:47:58.079 --> 01:48:00.720
she be back for space Balls too? Who can say?

1725
01:48:01.119 --> 01:48:04.800
And also a character in The Fly Part two which

1726
01:48:04.840 --> 01:48:07.479
I believe was with Eric Stoltz if I remember correctly.

1727
01:48:07.560 --> 01:48:10.920
So there you have it, friends, lots of fellow Scorpios

1728
01:48:11.039 --> 01:48:14.119
celebrating their birth this week. Let's see who else is

1729
01:48:14.199 --> 01:48:18.279
left on the.

1730
01:48:16.600 --> 01:48:19.000
Second half of the roster here with Uncle Jim. Uncle

1731
01:48:19.039 --> 01:48:23.920
Jim take it away. Well, I thank you so much, Paul.

1732
01:48:23.960 --> 01:48:27.479
I like to do the Klingons, so go blah and

1733
01:48:27.560 --> 01:48:30.359
let's get started. I'd like to say happy birthday to

1734
01:48:30.439 --> 01:48:33.960
Karen Austin, the actors who appeared as doctor Kalandra in

1735
01:48:33.960 --> 01:48:37.039
Deep Space nine fifth season episode nor the Battle to

1736
01:48:37.119 --> 01:48:40.680
the Strong and Morale the Star Trek Voyager sixth season

1737
01:48:40.680 --> 01:48:45.000
episode Barge of the Dead. Think I think that was

1738
01:48:45.039 --> 01:48:48.760
Blona Taurus's mother on the barge if I remember correctly.

1739
01:48:48.800 --> 01:48:51.479
That might be wrong there, but I also remember her

1740
01:48:51.760 --> 01:48:54.239
from a John Candy movie called Summer Rental.

1741
01:48:54.319 --> 01:48:59.039
She was his wife. So happy birthday, Karen Austin. We

1742
01:48:59.119 --> 01:49:02.119
also want to say and happy birthday to Obi Netfood

1743
01:49:02.840 --> 01:49:07.239
ned Food played Drects and Deep Space nine fourth season

1744
01:49:07.319 --> 01:49:10.319
episode the Way of the Warrior and Kellamine and Voyager

1745
01:49:10.399 --> 01:49:12.920
six season episode Blink of the Eye. And if I

1746
01:49:12.920 --> 01:49:16.439
remember my Deep Space nine lore correctly, he is the

1747
01:49:16.439 --> 01:49:21.079
son of Martak, right, because doesn't Warf steal his docta

1748
01:49:21.840 --> 01:49:23.840
and bring it to Martak in order to get him

1749
01:49:23.880 --> 01:49:26.239
to come to his office? I think he was Martak's

1750
01:49:26.239 --> 01:49:31.640
son if I remember correctly, so correct WAW and last

1751
01:49:31.760 --> 01:49:33.520
on my list, we want to say happy birthday and

1752
01:49:33.560 --> 01:49:37.840
kapla to Gabrielle Union from Omaha, Nebraska, who played the

1753
01:49:37.920 --> 01:49:40.800
Klingon office and Nagaron in Deep Space nine six season

1754
01:49:40.840 --> 01:49:45.520
episode Sons and Daughters. Union comment, did my mom is

1755
01:49:45.560 --> 01:49:49.159
a massive trekky so being a Klingon in my family

1756
01:49:49.560 --> 01:49:53.720
was akin to winning the Oscars? Got a lover really,

1757
01:49:54.079 --> 01:49:58.000
so happy birthday to gabriel Union and called lah and

1758
01:49:58.159 --> 01:50:03.239
that my friends wraps up our Star Trek birthdays and

1759
01:50:03.439 --> 01:50:06.920
that means it's time to move into our Star Trek

1760
01:50:07.239 --> 01:50:09.399
news and let.

1761
01:50:09.359 --> 01:50:11.159
Me see where is our start shop.

1762
01:50:14.279 --> 01:50:26.000
In here? Okay? Anytime though, beep Eric to start off

1763
01:50:26.680 --> 01:50:30.279
with our first story, told you guys.

1764
01:50:31.039 --> 01:50:34.680
Yes, Jim, we're back to my favorite segment of shatter

1765
01:50:34.800 --> 01:50:37.920
says what and this week, we were talking about William

1766
01:50:37.920 --> 01:50:42.039
Shatner recalling a moment that he was almost arrested while

1767
01:50:42.159 --> 01:50:46.920
driving through the Midwest. That's like most of us. Buddy

1768
01:50:47.680 --> 01:50:50.680
actor William Shattner ninety four, arguably best known for his

1769
01:50:50.760 --> 01:50:53.680
portrayal of Captain James T. Kirk and the Star Trek franchise,

1770
01:50:53.800 --> 01:50:56.640
is opening up about a time he was nearly arrested

1771
01:50:56.680 --> 01:50:59.960
while on tour. The incident occurred when he was travel

1772
01:51:00.279 --> 01:51:04.600
between cities for shows in the Midwest. He said, I'm

1773
01:51:04.640 --> 01:51:07.920
in the Midwest, I'm touring. I've got to get from

1774
01:51:08.000 --> 01:51:10.439
that city to that city, and it's four hundred miles.

1775
01:51:11.000 --> 01:51:13.720
The curtain comes down of my show at eleven o'clock,

1776
01:51:13.760 --> 01:51:16.399
I jump in the car and I drive through the night,

1777
01:51:16.520 --> 01:51:19.119
and suddenly there's a cop behind me. I pull over.

1778
01:51:19.159 --> 01:51:21.640
Oh my gosh, I'm going one hundred miles an hour.

1779
01:51:22.000 --> 01:51:25.760
That's a felony. I'm going to jail, recalled Shatner. He

1780
01:51:25.800 --> 01:51:28.840
went on to explain that he avoided arrest. This is

1781
01:51:28.920 --> 01:51:33.359
like the most privileged thing ever that the officers realized

1782
01:51:33.399 --> 01:51:37.800
who he was. According to Shatner, their reactions quickly shifted

1783
01:51:37.800 --> 01:51:42.039
from official to surprise recognition. So A cop comes in,

1784
01:51:42.199 --> 01:51:44.319
takes my license. I come into the police car.

1785
01:51:44.560 --> 01:51:45.520
Oh my god.

1786
01:51:45.640 --> 01:51:47.399
So he goes in, and I go to the passenger

1787
01:51:47.439 --> 01:51:49.079
seat and I open the door of the passenger seat.

1788
01:51:49.119 --> 01:51:52.800
The light comes on and he says, no shit, it's Shatner,

1789
01:51:53.520 --> 01:51:57.560
all right. Go on three times, three different policemen say

1790
01:51:58.119 --> 01:52:03.279
no shit Shatner, said Shatner with a laugh. The story

1791
01:52:03.479 --> 01:52:06.000
is one of several that the veteran actor has shared

1792
01:52:06.079 --> 01:52:09.039
in more recent years as he has reflected on his

1793
01:52:09.119 --> 01:52:14.720
long career that began more than seven decades ago. I

1794
01:52:14.880 --> 01:52:19.479
love this story. This feels like a very Shatner story.

1795
01:52:19.560 --> 01:52:25.079
To be right, man, Just so, I'd like to raise emotions.

1796
01:52:25.079 --> 01:52:28.319
If we changed the segment right from from let's no

1797
01:52:28.359 --> 01:52:29.079
longer say.

1798
01:52:30.760 --> 01:52:41.520
No ship, maybe a may be a better, more encompassing

1799
01:52:41.800 --> 01:52:42.439
I think.

1800
01:52:43.960 --> 01:52:44.399
I like it.

1801
01:52:45.279 --> 01:52:51.439
No Shatner, all right, Paul, surely you have something uh

1802
01:52:51.800 --> 01:52:53.399
non Shatner related to talk to us.

1803
01:52:53.720 --> 01:52:57.039
I may can you hear me? I'm getting a reconnecting signal.

1804
01:53:00.119 --> 01:53:02.600
We can hear you, we can hear cam. Okay, good,

1805
01:53:03.079 --> 01:53:04.760
it looked like I was not. This is a super

1806
01:53:04.840 --> 01:53:06.840
long article. I don't know if we have time to

1807
01:53:06.840 --> 01:53:08.439
read it. So I'm gonna just blow through it, and

1808
01:53:08.439 --> 01:53:11.399
if I suddenly kick out, let me know. Uh things

1809
01:53:11.439 --> 01:53:15.600
fans are excited about with Starfleet Academy. Starfleet Academy arives

1810
01:53:15.600 --> 01:53:17.920
with space backsloaded with reasons for Star Trek fans to

1811
01:53:17.920 --> 01:53:21.199
be excited. Taking place after the end of Star Trek Discovery,

1812
01:53:21.239 --> 01:53:23.680
Star Trek, Starfleet Academy is set in the final decade

1813
01:53:23.760 --> 01:53:28.399
of the thirty first century. Still hear me, okay. It's

1814
01:53:28.479 --> 01:53:45.039
led by some Academy Award caliber movie stars, including Emmy and.

1815
01:53:43.840 --> 01:53:48.520
Something. All Right, I guess I'll jump in where was

1816
01:53:50.000 --> 01:53:51.439
star star Trek Academy is?

1817
01:53:51.800 --> 01:53:55.359
But there's also guess a whole bunch of characters star

1818
01:53:55.439 --> 01:54:07.239
Fleet plays y a Academy anyway called Kareem d Jaden Cragg,

1819
01:54:07.760 --> 01:54:10.239
George hand Raymi and Signed.

1820
01:54:10.319 --> 01:54:12.359
Place has a young cast.

1821
01:54:12.439 --> 01:54:16.199
Another reason character Discovery has three legacy characters, and Academy

1822
01:54:16.279 --> 01:54:23.560
are the Cadets engineered He and Joe Fair prises heads

1823
01:54:23.560 --> 01:54:28.079
play mary Wise and also returns to Crack and John

1824
01:54:28.119 --> 01:54:31.680
I'm looking forward to start. George Tonyson is also a

1825
01:54:31.720 --> 01:54:36.520
writer Academy, and Zoe plays tarm Yet another reason. Starfleet

1826
01:54:36.960 --> 01:54:40.880
looks for the reson characters and Starfleet really take one

1827
01:54:40.880 --> 01:54:43.239
of the Federal terms with Jerry's airs and her Dominion war.

1828
01:54:43.520 --> 01:54:48.640
You know victory wasn't even fair Fisco from he never does.

1829
01:54:49.119 --> 01:54:53.319
Charles Starley delivering a fall up to what happened in

1830
01:54:53.560 --> 01:54:57.239
your years became one of twenty seven years, also a

1831
01:54:57.319 --> 01:54:59.159
writer for Starfleet Academy.

1832
01:54:59.319 --> 01:55:02.920
A lot going for it so far, Starfleet Academy. We'll

1833
01:55:03.000 --> 01:55:07.439
explore what happens to DS nine's Captain Cisco. One of

1834
01:55:07.479 --> 01:55:10.880
the Federation's most precarious eras was a dominion war that

1835
01:55:11.039 --> 01:55:15.800
victory wasn't possible without Captain Cisco, who promised he'd return,

1836
01:55:16.359 --> 01:55:20.760
but perhaps he never did. Star Trek Starfleet Academy delivering

1837
01:55:20.800 --> 01:55:23.600
a follow up to what happened to Captain Cisco, eight

1838
01:55:23.800 --> 01:55:30.359
hundred years after he became one of the prophets star Trek.

1839
01:55:30.359 --> 01:55:36.680
Starfleet Academy brings back the Klingons. Yeah, BABYO. Cadet j

1840
01:55:37.000 --> 01:55:40.239
Den Car is the first time that a Klingon is

1841
01:55:40.279 --> 01:55:42.720
a main character in Star Trek series since the nineteen

1842
01:55:42.800 --> 01:55:47.119
nineties era. Executive produced by Rick Berman, Star Trek Starfleet

1843
01:55:47.159 --> 01:55:51.399
Academy induces Klingon hybrids to debt. Master Luura Thoch played

1844
01:55:51.439 --> 01:55:55.560
by Gina Yashmir is a hybrid of a Klingon and Agemadar,

1845
01:55:56.000 --> 01:55:59.359
while Paul Giamont's villainous nas Braka is a mix of

1846
01:55:59.399 --> 01:56:03.399
a Klingon and a Tellrite. That's an interesting combination if

1847
01:56:03.439 --> 01:56:09.479
you think about that. One Starfleet star Trek Academy has

1848
01:56:09.560 --> 01:56:13.960
a love story like Riker and Troy. Caleb and Tomorrow

1849
01:56:14.039 --> 01:56:17.560
could be a forbidden love story in defiance of their elders,

1850
01:56:17.880 --> 01:56:20.039
but a human man in love with a betazoid woman

1851
01:56:20.560 --> 01:56:27.760
arguably works. And Star Trek Starfleet Academy's innovative USS Athena starship.

1852
01:56:28.439 --> 01:56:32.399
Starfleet Academy takes place aboard both on Earth and an

1853
01:56:32.439 --> 01:56:35.279
outer space, which is made possible of the series by

1854
01:56:35.319 --> 01:56:39.840
a dazzling innovation. The USS Athena, a Federation starship that

1855
01:56:39.960 --> 01:56:44.800
becomes a Starfleet Academy campus when it's docked in San Francisco.

1856
01:56:46.920 --> 01:56:50.239
The Doctor is a major character in Star Trek Starfleet Academy.

1857
01:56:50.600 --> 01:56:54.279
Starfleet Academy also brings back Robert Piccardo as the Doctor,

1858
01:56:54.680 --> 01:56:57.880
who is the same emergency medical hologram from Star Trek Voyager.

1859
01:56:58.239 --> 01:57:00.720
The Doctor has been alive for eight hundred years and

1860
01:57:00.840 --> 01:57:05.479
has been continuously evolving and activated for all that time.

1861
01:57:05.880 --> 01:57:08.600
The Doctor's role in Starfleet Academy is that of an

1862
01:57:08.640 --> 01:57:13.239
instructor teaching medicine. Well, obviously that's why he's the doctor, right.

1863
01:57:14.840 --> 01:57:17.159
All of the Star Treks past Cannon is in play

1864
01:57:17.239 --> 01:57:21.279
at Starfleet Academy. Star Trek. Starfleet Academy's late thirty second

1865
01:57:21.399 --> 01:57:25.159
Sexuary birth after Star Trek Discovery gives Paramount Plus series

1866
01:57:25.199 --> 01:57:27.920
the unique advantage of being able to draw from the

1867
01:57:28.239 --> 01:57:32.159
entire thousand year history of Starfleet and the Federation in

1868
01:57:32.239 --> 01:57:36.039
Star Trek's timeline. A TV series or movie about Starfleet

1869
01:57:36.079 --> 01:57:39.039
Academy has been in development in one form or another

1870
01:57:39.159 --> 01:57:44.039
for decades. Starfleet Star Trek Academy Careers January fifteenth, twenty

1871
01:57:44.119 --> 01:57:47.159
twenty six on Paramount Plus, which kicks off the Star

1872
01:57:47.279 --> 01:57:53.520
Trek sixtieth anniversary celebration, and that, my friends, wraps things up.

1873
01:57:53.560 --> 01:57:55.520
We've got a few minutes. What do you guys think

1874
01:57:55.520 --> 01:57:57.520
about Starfleet Academy. You're looking forward to it.

1875
01:57:57.800 --> 01:58:00.800
I'm looking forward to it, but I don't like how

1876
01:58:01.000 --> 01:58:06.119
people are trashing it without even seeing it, you know,

1877
01:58:06.479 --> 01:58:07.359
giving it a chance.

1878
01:58:09.640 --> 01:58:10.479
Yeah, have you seen that?

1879
01:58:12.760 --> 01:58:14.920
Yeah, I'm looking forward to it. I I a lot

1880
01:58:15.000 --> 01:58:17.079
of people are doing that, but that's what Startrek fans do.

1881
01:58:17.800 --> 01:58:20.640
They hated TG they hated DS nine, they hated Voyage,

1882
01:58:20.680 --> 01:58:21.520
or they hate every time.

1883
01:58:22.199 --> 01:58:24.920
Every every new thing is hated, but then it turns

1884
01:58:24.960 --> 01:58:29.600
into something different. So I know, I'm pretty excited about it.

1885
01:58:29.680 --> 01:58:32.199
I one thing that I always think back to when

1886
01:58:32.239 --> 01:58:34.920
I think about the idea of Starfleet Academy are those

1887
01:58:35.039 --> 01:58:37.279
old Marvel comics. I don't know if anybody else read

1888
01:58:37.319 --> 01:58:42.199
the Starfleet Academy like Marvel comics or not, but it

1889
01:58:42.359 --> 01:58:46.840
was absolutely your Planet in the month style adventure, but

1890
01:58:47.079 --> 01:58:49.520
for the younger crew, like the new Mutants from the

1891
01:58:49.680 --> 01:58:54.000
X Men or something. But I hope that there are

1892
01:58:54.119 --> 01:58:56.520
some It looks from the trailer it looks like there's

1893
01:58:56.560 --> 01:59:01.439
going to be some young people theme. You know, there's

1894
01:59:01.520 --> 01:59:05.359
I remember a particularly like passionate, like romantics type scene.

1895
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I remember people talking about being accepted and you know, becoming.

1896
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Part of the group.

1897
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It just looks like it's going to be a really

1898
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cool mixture of both young and then kind of classic

1899
01:59:19.600 --> 01:59:21.720
Star Trek themes at the same time. So I'm super

1900
01:59:21.760 --> 01:59:22.399
excited about it.

1901
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Yeah, I'm talking about those stuff too, So I'm expecting

1902
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some comic moments in there as well.

1903
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Yeah, I'm pretty excited about it too. I'm looking forward

1904
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to really finding out about that gym female. I'm really

1905
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hoping to have a good background joy for her.

1906
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Because you're gonna have to at this point.

1907
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So I'm hoping for something new, and I'm hoping for

1908
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something exciting, and we'll let's see what it takes us.

1909
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Well, I will. The article was talking about Starfleet Academy

1910
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being around for a while, and we almost did get

1911
02:00:00.640 --> 02:00:04.279
the best Star Trek movie ever made, because after the

1912
02:00:04.359 --> 02:00:07.800
success of Star Trek four, Harve Bennett was really pushing

1913
02:00:07.920 --> 02:00:11.359
hard for you know, let's get a younger cast in here,

1914
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let's do a Starfleet Academy thing, blah blah blah blah blah,

1915
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and they were on the cusp of not doing it

1916
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until Shatner pulled his contract card and said, hey, I

1917
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have parody with Leonardimoy. I have to do the next

1918
02:00:25.960 --> 02:00:28.760
movie or there isn't gonna be one. Hence we got

1919
02:00:28.880 --> 02:00:31.039
the best Star Trek movie ever and Start Trek five

1920
02:00:31.079 --> 02:00:34.520
to Final Frontier. But even as far back as then,

1921
02:00:35.399 --> 02:00:37.800
they were talking about Starfleet Academy. So it's been a

1922
02:00:37.920 --> 02:00:40.800
long road getting from there to here. You guys, get

1923
02:00:40.840 --> 02:00:45.520
that pun. It's been a long road getting.

1924
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From there to here.

1925
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You know, Jim, I think I just tonight I finally

1926
02:00:51.079 --> 02:00:53.279
have come up with a new framing of the whole

1927
02:00:53.319 --> 02:00:55.640
Star Trek five things. So you know how we like

1928
02:00:55.760 --> 02:01:01.279
to think of tonight as Friday's Eve. Right, it's Thursday, right,

1929
02:01:01.319 --> 02:01:04.039
it's like the we're on the doorstep of Friday. Here,

1930
02:01:05.279 --> 02:01:07.479
I'm going to start to think about Star Trek five

1931
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as Star Trek six Eve. There you go, because if

1932
02:01:17.720 --> 02:01:19.600
I do that, I'm like, oh, Star Trek six was

1933
02:01:19.600 --> 02:01:21.640
such a good movie. Well it had to have a

1934
02:01:21.720 --> 02:01:23.600
thing before it and there.

1935
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It was, yep, or it couldn't be number six. So yeah,

1936
02:01:28.199 --> 02:01:30.760
there's just some little history of Starfleet Academy. They've been

1937
02:01:30.880 --> 02:01:34.159
kicking that around since nineteen eighty nine and now it's

1938
02:01:34.199 --> 02:01:38.920
finally taken fruition. So guys, unfortunately we lost Paul, but

1939
02:01:39.439 --> 02:01:41.720
he'll be back next week and we'll be talking about

1940
02:01:41.800 --> 02:01:45.960
CON episode six, And I'm in the process of talking

1941
02:01:46.079 --> 02:01:50.880
with David Mack, who wrote CON based on a script

1942
02:01:51.000 --> 02:01:55.119
from the wonderful, awesome Nick Meyer. So we'll be having

1943
02:01:55.239 --> 02:01:57.399
him on to talk about con and we could ask

1944
02:01:57.479 --> 02:01:59.800
him about the Aliens when we have him on the

1945
02:01:59.840 --> 02:02:01.079
show show What's.

1946
02:02:00.920 --> 02:02:03.520
The deal with You, Well, we're probably gonna have to

1947
02:02:03.560 --> 02:02:04.640
talk about the new book.

1948
02:02:04.439 --> 02:02:08.640
Too, and his new book as well. Yeah, so, and

1949
02:02:08.800 --> 02:02:10.760
we'll have some more trivia and we'll have some more

1950
02:02:10.840 --> 02:02:13.159
poles and guy guys can go over to Trek Talking

1951
02:02:13.199 --> 02:02:15.560
and Beyond and answer some poles and have some fun.

1952
02:02:16.479 --> 02:02:19.800
And I'm the most excellent host, Uncle Jim saying to everybody,

1953
02:02:19.920 --> 02:02:22.760
please stay safe and be good to each other. Member

1954
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Startric fans are the best fans. So thanks a lot

1955
02:02:25.800 --> 02:02:27.760
to everybody. Thank you to v for hanging out and

1956
02:02:27.800 --> 02:02:29.079
Trek talking with us. Thank you, V.

1957
02:02:29.239 --> 02:02:33.800
Glad to be here as always, sarcastic Vulcan salute as always.

1958
02:02:37.520 --> 02:02:39.319
And thank you so much to Eric for hanging out

1959
02:02:39.319 --> 02:02:40.239
and Trek talking with us.

1960
02:02:40.239 --> 02:02:43.119
And I thank you Eric absolutely, what a great night.

1961
02:02:43.239 --> 02:02:45.640
And look I have Vulcan ears.

1962
02:02:46.560 --> 02:02:50.720
I love it. And of course thank you so much

1963
02:02:50.760 --> 02:02:52.720
to Charles for hanging out and Check talking with us

1964
02:02:52.760 --> 02:02:53.880
as well. Thank you Charles.

1965
02:02:54.439 --> 02:02:57.319
Oh, it's always a blast talking Star Trek and Beyond

1966
02:02:57.439 --> 02:02:58.199
with everybody.

1967
02:03:00.239 --> 02:03:03.439
Yeah, there was some interesting Beyond birthdays tonight which I

1968
02:03:03.479 --> 02:03:08.039
thought was full. And thank you so much to David

1969
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for all the wonderful work you do on the podcast.

1970
02:03:10.319 --> 02:03:14.279
Thank you, David, You're welcome. It's been fun, and of

1971
02:03:14.359 --> 02:03:16.439
course thank you, thank you, thank you so much to

1972
02:03:16.520 --> 02:03:19.880
Paul who who we lost, but he'll be back. Thank you, Paul.

1973
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And as I said, I mean most excellent host uncle Jim.

1974
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And we'll be back saying bad time, same bat channel

1975
02:03:25.640 --> 02:03:27.800
next week. Thanks a lot, guys, everybody have a good night.

1976
02:03:30.039 --> 02:03:32.119
Prosperoween prosper.

1977
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All stations ready for departure, sir, some problem right, Just

1978
02:03:41.239 --> 02:03:43.199
hoping this isn't the usual way our missions will go,

1979
02:03:43.399 --> 02:03:46.920
said I don't know a number one. I'm sure most

1980
02:03:46.960 --> 02:03:48.199
will be much more interesting.

1981
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Let's see what's on there.

1982
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And game mm hmm, okay, we're we're all