Sept. 13, 2025

Episode 653- SNW "Terrarium" discussion

Episode 653- SNW "Terrarium" discussion
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In this episode of Trek Talking and Beyond, Uncle Jim and the cohosts reflect on the significance of September 11th, introduce their panel of Trek experts, and discuss upcoming guests. They engage with fans through shout outs from around the globe and share opinions on the latest Star Trek episode, 'Terrarium.' The conversation delves into character decisions, moral dilemmas, and the importance of well-written narratives in the Star Trek universe. The hosts also highlight the value of fan engagement through polls and shout outs, creating a community around their shared love for Star Trek. In this episode, the hosts delve into various themes from the latest Star Trek episode, discussing concepts like wormholes and black holes, character development, and philosophical dilemmas that arise in the series. They also explore the portrayal of the Gorn and the role of the Metrons, while reflecting on Star Trek birthdays and sharing V's experiences at the Trek to New Jersey convention.
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the series.

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Okay, all right, here we go. Hello everybody, Welcome the

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Trek Talk and then Beyond. It is Thursday, September eleventh,

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twenty twenty five. Welcome to episode six hundred and fifty three.

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I'mymost excellent host, Uncle Jim. Before we get too far, though,

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I just today is a somber day for me and

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I have to mention this September eleventh, my aunt Eileen

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was on the eighty fourth floor of Tower number two

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and she was instantly evaporated, just puffed, she was gone.

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And with everything that was going on back then, they

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never a body part, They never found a strand of hair,

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they never anything. New York City was shut down. We

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couldn't even go to the funeral, and all they had

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was a DNA thing for her burial. And her name

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is on the wall down there, and one of these

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days I'm going to go down with my family when

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I get the courage up to go down there to

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the monument and pay her the respects that she deserves.

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So for me, September eleventh is a day of remembrance

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of my aunt Eileen. So I just wanted to say

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that to start off the podcast. So thank you for

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letting me get on my soapbox for a minute. I

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love you Annileen, and I think about you all the time.

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All right, now start trying. So I'm your most excellent host,

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Uncle Jim. Thank you for listening to the podcast. I

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want to go around and introduce my awesome trucks perts

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and we're going to start off with Paul the toy guy.

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He's out in Portland. How you doing tonight, Paul?

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Hey, Uncle Jim, I'm doing okay. Hey, my friend doing

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all right?

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Excellent. Good to hear that. And we also have with

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us VV is not in Portland, she's in Virginia. How

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you doing tonight?

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V Loopsie says, Hello, I am I brought brought Oopsie

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back with me from the con. I'm still recuperating, still unpacking,

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still processing the whole incredible experience, which she'll hear about later.

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So glad to be here.

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Yeah, absolutely, we were looking forward to that and swinging

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back to Portland. We have our very own miracle worker, David.

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How you doing tonight? David?

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A lot's happened, but I'm doing very good abstraction for me.

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Show good. It is going to be going to be

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a good show. I think. I think it's going to

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be gantastic. And swinging out to Las Vegas. We have Charles.

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How you doing, Charles? Charles, Charles is doing really good.

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Forgot Yeah, I forgot through the mic on Yeah, my

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truck's first notice. I'm in studio B Jim's favorite waving palm.

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Tree, waving palm Yep.

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It's only about eighty eight right now, which means for

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getting a little mild cold front coming through.

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Yeah, I bet, And we're gonna we are going to

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swing back to Portland. You guys might notice a pattern here.

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I think it's the water. I'm not sure, but we're

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gonna swing back out to Portland. We're gonna say hello

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to Eric. How you doing tonight, Eric.

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I'm getting by a gym, getting by excited to talk

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about this episode tonight.

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It's Friday's eve. Yep, it's trek Talking Thursday. Uh it

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is it is Uh. You guys can head over to

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truck Talking dot com and you can find all six

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d and fifty two, well not all of them, but

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most of them are archived there. Of our previous podcasts

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and why you're there, you can find a link to

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our Patreon page, which Charles runs, and for only two

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dollars you can help support the podcast.

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We really appreciate that.

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If you can also find us on YouTube at trek

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Talking and obviously on Facebook at trek Talking and beyond.

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Next week, I've got some exciting news breaking news. Next week,

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same bat time, same bat channel. We're gonna have Chris

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Myers and Sindana Gamble himself in the studio to chat

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with us about getting his eyes blown out being a

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non red shirt to dust. We're gonna have a lot

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of fun talking with him. So you don't want to

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miss next week's show. But I'm getting ahead of myself

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on tonight's podcast we're gonna be talking about the episode

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Terrarium and it's a gantastic episode that we're gonna talk

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about tonight. We also have our Fans shout outs and

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that's where we go on the global We thank fans

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just like you right there for listening to our podcast.

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We also have our Star Trek polls. Did Whoora lie

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to Pike and on acts with Anger? Hmm dun dun dun.

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What did our fans think about that? And what Star

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Trek actor do you share a birthday with? You'll find

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out on our Star Trek Birthdays and in our Star

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Trek News section. What's going on in the Star Trek universe. Well,

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we're not gonna have any Star Trek News this week

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because we've cut that segment out because our very own

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v went to Star Trek New Jersey and she's gonna

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fill us in on all the excitement. She's got some

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pictures and some videos, so we look forward to that

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and that's what we have all lined up for you

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guys tonight. As I said, you can go over to

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Trek Talking and Beyond and at the top you'll see

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a pin post with a livelong and prosper saying where

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are you listening from? Just tell us where you're listening

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from and leave emojis. It gets my attention a lot

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of times. More emojis, you got a better chance that

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I'm going to pick your name. So, Eric, would you

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like to get us started with our fans shout outs

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for this week?

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Sure, We're going to start out this week with top

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fan Matt McGuire, who is saying hello to us from Scotland.

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Thank you very much, Matt for listening to the podcast

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and for supporting us in all the ways that you

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do as a top fan on our Facebook page. We

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appreciate it. Saying hello this week as well to Maria

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Veronica Spano, who is saying hello to us from Australia.

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And I wonder if you know the guy you know?

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You know the guy I'm talking about, the guy from

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down Under that used to call in Yeah, I'm talking

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about but that's okay, I know the guy, the dude.

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But Maria, thank you so much for listening to us

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in That beautiful Australian flag that you're flying is something

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to look at, isn't it. We appreciate your support. Saying

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hello this week as well to Jose Antonio Domingos, who's

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saying hello to us from the Benito municipality in Brazil. Hello,

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thank you, Jose. And also saying hello this week to

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Zeff Venken. Zef Venken is saying hello to us from

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Galen in the Nederlands. Thank you so much for supporting

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us in that most amazing country as well. Charles, who

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would you like to say hello to this week?

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Thank you Eric. Let's start off with Welcome to Paul

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du Jet from Tampa, Florida. Hope you're saying dry, Paul.

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Welcome to Rise Alberti from Rockford Falls, Illinois. Welcome Rise,

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Welcome Becky Tree from northwestern Pennsylvania. And welcome to hoyt

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Aiden from Oregon, originally now living in southern California. I

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hope you're saying Cole. We're getting some decent weather over there.

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Hoight V.

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Who's on your list?

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First off, I have somebody with a really cool name,

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Stone Reed Marshall coming to us from wichital Falls, Texas

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with an emoji with a little smiley face wearing sunglasses.

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Next another cool name, Sketcher Edward from Ontario, Canada, our

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neighbor to the north. Then Ruth Emery from Mifflinburg, PA.

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And last, but certainly not least, somebody from my neck

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of the woods. Not sure where exactly, but hello to

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Johnny Ray Petrie from Virginia. So onto you, Paul, Thank

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you Lee.

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Let's pick up our dogs and leave these not quite

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so United States and head over to Europe. In fact,

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let's all. First of all, we're gonna say hello to

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order pal Vulcar Rukader, Germany. Greetings from the USS Berlin,

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which I'm guessing is probably the name of a local club,

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because I know that clubs tend to name themselves after ships.

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It seems like one of the strange facts I picked up.

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So Vulgar is over there tending one of the consoles,

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doing something cool. Undoubtedly, so Ulkar, thanks for checking in

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and for letting us know you're doing well. Over there

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in Serbia, not too far down the road, it's Nicolau

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Nikinovich or Nickkiovich. I'm not sure about the Serbian pronunciation,

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so Nicola, forgive me whichever those so I forget. I'd

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air on the side of caution by doing both. Oh,

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running over to Italy, where everything is awesome all the time.

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It is our good pal Danielle Caputo in Italy. I'm

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not sure where which part of Italy she hangs her hat.

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Where could it be the North Roma? Who knows? Maybe

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Danielle will one day. Then over in Northern Ireland, flag

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flying proudly in the breeze. It's our good pal. Eddie

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McDonough is saying hello, so as you can see, friends,

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Star Trek enthusiasm is a global phenomena. I'm something that

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helps unite us all in these tumultuous times. Uncle Jim,

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over to you.

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Sir, Thank you so much, Paul. I want to start

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off by saying thank you to Jesse Garcia, who's listening

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to us in Long Island. Yes it's Long Island, not

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Long Island. Thank you for listening to Jesse. We also

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want to say hello and thank you to Harry Marvin,

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who says I live in Dallas, Texas, USA. I also

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want to say hello and thank you to Diego Kaplan

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from Buenos Aires, Argentina. How did that one end up

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on my list? I must have been punchy when I

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made that one up, because that anyways, And we also

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want to say thank you and live long and prosper

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to Jerry Silver who's listening to us in Schenectady, New York.

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And that, my friends, wraps up our fan shout outs.

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If you would like to be featured in a fan

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shout out, as I said, just head over to Trek

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talk At and Beyond and leave us a message in

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that pin post emojis will get my attention. And then

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if there's a heart next to your name from yours truly,

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Uncle Jim, you want to tune in because you are

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going to be featured. And all these awesome pictures that

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you see going by right now, there's Eric and I

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at Trek Connor Roga right now. If you send us

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a picture, we will put it up there as well.

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So not only will your name be mentioned, but your

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picture and there's Paul with this really awesome looking kling up.

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Your picture will be shown right up there on the screen.

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Wht me read your name, so please please do that.

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And that, my friends wraps up our fans shout outs.

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And now it's time for our Star Trek polls, which

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means I have to play this song.

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Lin lin linen.

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You know me like no win, but you thought about

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the show, then we try to share your opinion all

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of our minions out there because they listen WORLDWI.

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So tell us just what you think.

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Get together, we will all train Canar and Robby ln.

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A God, Eric, I love that song. It's so classic.

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I wish I could dig up the Enterprise one. Remember

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the one you did way back on blog talk radio.

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Oh, if you want to copy, I've got one.

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I got that got lost when we made the transition

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to blog talk radio. I like to play that every

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once in a while. Send that along at any rate. Guys,

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while you're over there at Trek Talking and beyond on

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Facebook telling us where you're listening from, You're also going

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to find all kinds of great and exciting fun polls

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that you can vote in, and we'd appreciate if you

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vote while you're there, and we'll read off the polls

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on our previous podcast. So, David, you ready to roll

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the tape? All right? What have we got? Exitohura has

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an intriguing, if an orthodox plan.

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Mister Spock doesn't believe that a shuttle can make it

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through the wormhole and return safely, And he's right. So

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I had to think outside of the box, way outside.

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I ran every simulation and found the only viable way

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to successfully transit the gravity waves and search for Erica.

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We need to take Enterprise through the wormhole.

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Un Orthodox is an understatement.

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In addition, a HER's plan requires for creative, stable work

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filled around the ship, effectively wedging the wormal aperture open.

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What about the vaccines on board for Epsilon n D three.

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We're not just going to be risking ourselves.

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I understand that, which means we have enough time to

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try it once.

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You can pull the plug if it gets too risky.

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Guess really work using a starship to prop open a wormhole? Yes,

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and theory when we're inside this thing?

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How about a signal interference scan?

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Capability needs to be about sixty percent?

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Sixty one percent?

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Okay, we've got a rescue mission.

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All right, you saw the clip. What's the question?

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Eric?

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Question is in the Strange New World's episode Terrarium, Whorra

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changes the success numbers of the mission, essentially lying to

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Captain Pike. Do you agree with her decision? And sixty

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six percent of our responders agreed with her decision and

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only thirty four percent said no, she should not have lied,

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So there you go.

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So what what do you think, Eric? Are you with her?

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Do you think she did the right thing or yeah.

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I mean, you know, turns out pike knew what she

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was doing anyway, So no harm, no foul. Uh you know.

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I mean this is a hard one because if it

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was real life, you know, I would say, no, it

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wasn't the right thing to do. But because it was

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Star Trek and because we kind of needed that for

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the story to move along, I'd say, yeah, she did

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make the right decision. But yeah, I think in real life,

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like well, I mean, theoretically in real life, I guess

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I should say, because we don't have starships. But you know,

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even in like boats and other things like that, if

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you fudge the numbers by a few percentages, sometimes the

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math doesn't math out. So but yeah, I mean in

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this case, I think it was fine.

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And I thought it was interesting that pike knew she lied, And.

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Yeah, I mean he sort of already knew what decision

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he was going to make. He just needed to actually

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put up a good show and make sure that he was,

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you know, checking all the boxes to make sure that

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he was captaining correctly, so number one didn't get on

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his case too much.

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There if we don't want that, do we?

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I mean, that is her job is the XO. But yeah, yeah,

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he had already made his decision in my in my opinion,

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What do you think, V?

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I agree because I thought of even though it's not

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quite the same thing, but I thought of Kirk in

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the Kobyashi Maru where he changed the program to alter

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the outcome. And also Heah is trying to save her friend,

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and we have to remember that she already lost Hammer

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and because she couldn't do anything to save him, and

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so I think it was interesting that because unfortunately I

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only got to watch this episode once. I want to

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watch it again because it was really good. But the

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fact that Pike knew what she was doing really was

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interesting because if he, you know, since he knew, he

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could have said, well, we're not going to do it anyway.

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So but I agree with her decision and it worked, so.

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That's a good thing.

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Yes, that's good.

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How about you, David, what do you think? Yeah?

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I think it was like what Eric said pretty much,

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you know, because of sty Trek moving along and everything.

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It was a good idea. But at the same time,

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I actually kind of agree with you V. I actually

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didn't think about the whole idea of losing him, and

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that she feels like a deep wanting to be able

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to do like shaving of any of her friends. So

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I can imagine that she did that on purpose, just

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because of the fact that she had lost her best

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friend and everything. So I think I kind of agree

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with the pole there that I think it was a

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good idea that she did what she did. But I mean,

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it's a plot armor.

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I don't know, Well, well, we don't know if it's

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plot armor because or Tegis never shows up again. So

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does she get transferred to she died, We don't know.

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I'll have to wait and find out. But all right too, Charles,

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you got the caboose on this one, buddy.

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Yeah, I think I agree with the minions on this one,

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especially with Artaga not having plot armor. But when they

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were flying the ship, look at what Pike said mortegas

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I fire the ship. So I think he has them

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caring about her too, so I think he wanted to

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try his bets to save her when he could.

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Yeah, I agree completely, all right.

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So wait a second, this deal, Paul's.

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Not your videos off, Paul. I'm not sure what's going on,

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but glad to hear.

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I hear the voice yeah, okay, I don't know what

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we're here. You can't see my videota. It's a great system.

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We can hear your find apparently not see me well

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enough to include me in the discussion, but I guess

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that's the subject for another time. I'm going to respectfully

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disagree and call bullshit on all y'all because it's like, yeah, okay,

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maybe she wants to save her friend, right, None of

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that justifies lying to your commanding officer, which should really

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get your ass thrown on the brake. Frankly, in any ship,

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in any you know, service, you could have, right, And

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so you're expecting you to provide precise details on everything

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that's going on, and if you just suddenly decide that,

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for whatever personal reasons, you're going to fudge the data,

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you could do something that's responsible for the entire ship exploder.

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So no, it's not justified. I mean, and you're making

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a lot of assumptions here also, friends, as you're assuming

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that Pike knew during the clip that we saw, right,

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we don't know that he could have found out after

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the fact reviewing data, reviewing logs, and that's when he

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found out afterwards, at the very very end, because it's

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not clearly stated that he knew when he was talking

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to her when she said this, he knew. He definitely

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knew later on when they were discussing it, but it

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doesn't say when he could have done that. So be

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careful with these assumptions. With the script. It is just

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my thing, I would say, And I think what I'll

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do is I will disconnect and try to come back

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and see if maybe the other fifty percent of riverside

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is actually working this way.

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But you sound you sound good though. That's a step.

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That's a step in the right direction. All right. So

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that was our first poll, and we have a second

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poll as well. David, you want to roll the tape?

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Yes, that's far.

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Only Erica would be crazy enough to set a planet

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on fire.

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To get our attention.

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Lan take a landing party of the service ring the tenor.

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Door Tega's home with pleasure, sir over there, Wow, Ericay,

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are you all right?

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Why?

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Why? Why tell the.

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Wow?

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Okay, so you know the clip. What's the question, eric.

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In this episode, did Laan make the right choice when

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she killed the Gorn? Forty eight percent said yes, she

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made the right choice. Fifty two percent said no, she

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did not make the right choice. Not only did she

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not make the right choice, but it makes absolutely no

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sense because everybody knows that when Away teams beam down

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to planets, they set their phasers to stunt first. They

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never set them to kill first. That was one of

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the dumbest things I think I've ever seen. Despite the

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fact that this was an awesome episode, it was dumb.

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It was dumb. So you don't you don't agree with

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the minions.

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Not even a little bit.

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Okay, how about you, Paul, Yeah, now that we can

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see you.

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That's great, that's great. I'm glad of both aspects. So well.

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I thought Erica was really a little slow on the

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uptake there. She could have yelled out much sooner, right,

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Apparently she you know, had a tortilla chip stuck in

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her throat or something, But she, you know, she should

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have spoke up much faster, and she would have maybe

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saved her new friend's life instead of hesitating drammatically. Right.

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But yeah, I disagree. Yeah, I cannot agree with the

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minions on this all. You know, it's a you know,

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it's just like, if that's the rationale that you're saying that, yeah,

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it's right to shoot on site with no context or explanation.

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You know, you should probably be you know, uh and

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some of you know, I avoid getting too political, but

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there might be certain aspects of law enforcement that would

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welcome employing you. And let's just leave it at that.

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So yeah, shoot shoot shoot first is a terrible, terrible

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rationale in any situation. It's just not a it's it's

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I thought there was a bit of hot need you know,

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squeezing the you know, plot wash a little too dray

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from my face, but you know, we'll get into that. Yeah,

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so I can't agree, I think on I mean, everybody

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on this show lately is just ignoring the rules like

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left and right. I mean, you know, so many flagrant violations.

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I mean, who was it that just it was just

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U Erica who just got in trouble from number one

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because she was breaking the rules right and had to

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get relieved.

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But on my remembering, it was Erica, Yep, it was Erica.

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Yeah. I mean everybody on this ship. Nobody there toosy

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poor and great big highballs, a red one and Pike's quarters,

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you know, eaton steak, and nobody follows anything as far

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as like chaining command of the rules. It's just like

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steal a whole star base. Sure, no problem. As long

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as we're back by a happy hour, then that's really

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all that matters. So yeah, I see a lot of

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nonsense going on, and this is just more of that

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nonsense lately. So what can I tell you?

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All Right, how about u V did make the right choice?

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No? I that was really upsetting. I mean, I have

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to say, I I understand because of her history with

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the Gorn, but I agree or Ortega should have said something,

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but I know I was part of the plot, so

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she did as a date. But it was just so

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sad because you wouldn't think that Ortegas, you know, I

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don't know, Ortegas was the last one, uh to think

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that she would make friends with a Gorn. But it

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just I don't know what's is heartbreaking for me. That

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was just I did not expect that, and uh La

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on was wrong. And then when Ortegas said, you know

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she uh you know La was her friend, but that

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the Gorn was her friend too, and she said, I

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don't know what to do with this. So that's going

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to be I haven't seen the last episode, so I

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don't know if you see Ortegas dealing with it. But

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that was that was that was tough, tough to watch.

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So she did not make the right choice.

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All right, how about you, David? Was right or wrong?

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Way way wrong? And what was the point of the

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idea that the other security offers started firing? What kind

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of policy did they have on that ship shoot at

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anything that moves? But yeah, that that whole thing, which

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is kind of crazy. I didn't really like it at all,

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you know. And of course what were they going to

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do with the going continuing on if they didn't kill it?

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I mean it kind of lazy writing in my opinion,

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So yeah, I don't agree.

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Well, if you remember the Battlestar Galactic episode, they'd return

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a starbuck. Uh, they killed the Cylon, which I thought

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would have been a great addition to the colonial fleet

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of Cylon. But that's a story for a different, different day.

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How about you, Charles.

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By the way, Jim, when you say you were against

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the minions, the majority of the the majority of the

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minions said no, So we're following minions most of the minions.

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Yeah, it's a close, but.

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I go with no, she didn't make the right call.

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She should have aimed her weapons and demanded the demanded

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the creature to stop, not to sit there and just

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immediately fire, especially when they were in the same place.

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Erica knew what was going on. You fire even though

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Erica is coming out and you know, Erica probably may

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have had some connection with this creature. Nope, you shouldn't

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have been firing like that.

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No, she like, like Paul said, she just opened fire. Yeah,

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I don't think a good security officer is just gonna

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immediately And then her team opened fire as well, so

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they should all be fired because you know, they all

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shot first, like you know, crazy. So yeah, that was that.

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So that's our trivia. That's our poll questions for this week.

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If you hold a truck talking and beyond, and you'll

472
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find more poll questions. Well I haven't put them up

473
00:29:02.440 --> 00:29:05.519
yet because but I will and you guys can answer

474
00:29:05.559 --> 00:29:08.799
our polls. So are we ready for some trivia?

475
00:29:09.319 --> 00:29:09.519
Sure?

476
00:29:09.680 --> 00:29:11.880
Some fun here. Let's have a little bit of fun.

477
00:29:14.079 --> 00:29:17.279
And you know what that music means. It's once again

478
00:29:17.400 --> 00:29:19.759
time to put on your thinking caps and join us

479
00:29:19.759 --> 00:29:22.480
for Star Trek trivia time with Uncle Jim's.

480
00:29:23.880 --> 00:29:26.480
All right, let's see if our listeners can beat the

481
00:29:26.519 --> 00:29:30.680
trek spurs. So V you get the first question. You're ready? Yes,

482
00:29:30.880 --> 00:29:33.079
fresh off star trek New Jersey.

483
00:29:33.319 --> 00:29:34.160
Yes, here we go.

484
00:29:34.920 --> 00:29:38.920
In the episode four and a half Vulcans, why was

485
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on upset with mister Spott?

486
00:29:42.359 --> 00:29:44.720
I think it's uh when she was talking about he

487
00:29:45.039 --> 00:29:49.519
had the audacity to leave not just socks, but clean

488
00:29:49.960 --> 00:29:56.680
socks in her in her room, in nerve nerve of

489
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some people.

490
00:29:57.799 --> 00:30:01.759
I know, that's it's just some crazy talk, right, If

491
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you're going to leave him, at least leave the dirty laundry,

492
00:30:04.279 --> 00:30:05.759
you know, But.

493
00:30:05.680 --> 00:30:07.519
That would not be the logical thing.

494
00:30:08.839 --> 00:30:15.519
Very true, very true. All right, David, you're ready. So

495
00:30:16.039 --> 00:30:19.880
who helped Ahura develop the plan to rescue Ortegas.

496
00:30:22.240 --> 00:30:22.799
That would be.

497
00:30:24.559 --> 00:30:28.519
Mister Spock. Now was mister Spock aware that she changed

498
00:30:28.559 --> 00:30:31.960
the numbers? I wasn't. I didn't catch that. I don't think,

499
00:30:32.000 --> 00:30:36.920
so we can later, But I don't know if Spock knew.

500
00:30:37.880 --> 00:30:43.319
All right, Paul, are you ready? All right? In this

501
00:30:43.440 --> 00:30:48.279
week's episode, what starship was the enterprise schedule to deliver

502
00:30:48.440 --> 00:30:52.400
a vital vaccine to and who was the captain?

503
00:30:53.119 --> 00:30:54.960
Oh? This is an easy one because I sat up

504
00:30:55.000 --> 00:30:58.119
bolt upright when this mention happened, and it was just

505
00:30:58.200 --> 00:31:01.039
like Man, this would be the cross up crossover episode

506
00:31:01.079 --> 00:31:04.640
I would pay to see because that starship was the

507
00:31:04.759 --> 00:31:11.759
USS Constellation captained by then Captain Matt Decker before he

508
00:31:12.039 --> 00:31:15.680
got the right, so pre doomsday machine by a hell

509
00:31:15.680 --> 00:31:17.799
of a long amount of time. But man, I mean

510
00:31:18.400 --> 00:31:20.119
who I would love to see who they would cast

511
00:31:20.119 --> 00:31:23.319
as like a you know, a young William Wyndham esque,

512
00:31:23.440 --> 00:31:27.000
ambitious Matt Decker. But that was a great reference. I

513
00:31:27.119 --> 00:31:29.599
was just I was very delighted by that. That's the

514
00:31:29.680 --> 00:31:33.440
kind of a pet that I welcome. So good stuff there.

515
00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:37.240
When I heard that, I thought of you right away.

516
00:31:39.119 --> 00:31:42.279
Big that's my money. One of the greatest episodes of

517
00:31:42.359 --> 00:31:44.400
startreating brilliant.

518
00:31:47.599 --> 00:31:50.279
All right, Charles, you got the next question. So far

519
00:31:50.359 --> 00:31:53.200
you guys are are just on fire. I hope that

520
00:31:53.279 --> 00:31:55.119
our our minions are doing as well.

521
00:31:56.079 --> 00:31:56.599
Charles.

522
00:31:56.720 --> 00:32:01.920
And what episode do we first see the metron? Oh?

523
00:32:01.960 --> 00:32:07.400
That would be TOS season one episode eighteen. Oh you

524
00:32:07.400 --> 00:32:11.599
want the episode Arena Arena.

525
00:32:11.720 --> 00:32:14.640
That's right, one of my favorites. Love it, love it,

526
00:32:14.680 --> 00:32:19.240
love it? All right, And sticking with this with this

527
00:32:20.279 --> 00:32:24.960
TOS kind of crossover theory, Eric, how did Ortegas get

528
00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:26.799
the attention of the enterprise.

529
00:32:29.480 --> 00:32:31.519
Well we saw it in that clip, right, she fried

530
00:32:31.599 --> 00:32:35.599
the storm atmosphere thing and set the planet on fire,

531
00:32:35.640 --> 00:32:36.599
as they said.

532
00:32:36.920 --> 00:32:42.599
Yeah, she she lit the candle and speak. Yep, all right,

533
00:32:43.680 --> 00:32:48.480
v Who is Artagas trapped with on the moon?

534
00:32:49.480 --> 00:32:50.799
A female gorn?

535
00:32:52.359 --> 00:32:54.279
Yes, a female gorn.

536
00:32:54.000 --> 00:32:56.480
Who was injured? Yeah, who was injured?

537
00:32:57.440 --> 00:33:03.880
Who was not complete? All right, you're ready, David.

538
00:33:04.880 --> 00:33:05.079
Yep.

539
00:33:05.799 --> 00:33:09.119
What is the name of the shuttle craft that Artegas

540
00:33:09.119 --> 00:33:09.559
crashed in?

541
00:33:12.640 --> 00:33:13.079
Oh?

542
00:33:13.160 --> 00:33:16.559
Man, I can see it. I can't say it for

543
00:33:16.599 --> 00:33:19.240
some reason. What was your name?

544
00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:21.319
Because you asked Ai.

545
00:33:22.559 --> 00:33:32.240
Yeah, it wasn't the Kiss because the Copernicus was in

546
00:33:32.279 --> 00:33:34.400
star Trek five to the final Frontier, so it wasn't

547
00:33:34.400 --> 00:33:36.240
the Copernicus.

548
00:33:35.759 --> 00:33:37.200
Another famous scientist.

549
00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:41.799
Oh, okay, I abs lose this one. I cannot remember.

550
00:33:42.000 --> 00:33:44.759
I guys, well, we're gonna We're gonna go over to

551
00:33:44.799 --> 00:33:46.400
Paul because I know Paul knows it.

552
00:33:46.799 --> 00:33:51.359
Okay, I'm actually I know it was in Galileo because

553
00:33:51.359 --> 00:33:53.359
we know that already. I'm actually have to think about

554
00:33:53.400 --> 00:33:57.240
this for a second because it did stick out at

555
00:33:57.240 --> 00:34:05.599
the time, but it was our meetings, yes, right, it

556
00:34:05.680 --> 00:34:13.800
really was. Oh, no, ship total that's a total pull man,

557
00:34:13.920 --> 00:34:17.559
I'm question. That's great, but you know, I mean, how

558
00:34:17.559 --> 00:34:22.920
many cool old, uh celestial historical figures are there anyway?

559
00:34:23.119 --> 00:34:25.760
So the predate galley so very cool. I love that

560
00:34:25.800 --> 00:34:28.480
they named them after explorers. I think it's very cool.

561
00:34:28.920 --> 00:34:34.000
So yeah, that was and and you get the next

562
00:34:34.079 --> 00:34:40.159
question as well, I better wake up. Wow, yeah, power

563
00:34:40.239 --> 00:34:44.519
the corn and artagas protected from the creatures on the moon.

564
00:34:44.559 --> 00:34:47.400
And I couldn't find a name of the creatures, but yeah.

565
00:34:47.320 --> 00:34:51.039
Just like the worst millipedes ever. Right, you're digging in

566
00:34:51.079 --> 00:34:54.679
your garden and you know those those weird earwigs that

567
00:34:54.719 --> 00:34:56.599
you find in the bathroom at two in the morning, Right,

568
00:34:56.679 --> 00:34:59.239
those things are like, oh god, you're a nightmare.

569
00:35:00.320 --> 00:35:01.880
They called them things, didn't they.

570
00:35:02.480 --> 00:35:02.719
Yeah.

571
00:35:03.039 --> 00:35:05.559
Yeah, it's something about an insect with multiple legs that

572
00:35:05.599 --> 00:35:09.599
were just intrinsically freaked out by. So yeah, I think

573
00:35:09.599 --> 00:35:14.000
that was a great a great creature design for them.

574
00:35:14.199 --> 00:35:19.039
If memory serves, it's everything is kind of every smart decision, sorry,

575
00:35:19.360 --> 00:35:21.719
every smart decision in this episode is made by the Gorn.

576
00:35:22.039 --> 00:35:28.320
The human. It's it's the Gorn, the female Gorn pilot

577
00:35:28.400 --> 00:35:33.159
because female pilot's rock Uh somehow got a power thing

578
00:35:33.199 --> 00:35:36.280
in a jigger and reconfigured the power thing in my

579
00:35:36.360 --> 00:35:39.960
jigger to make their own personal deflector shield. Right that

580
00:35:40.000 --> 00:35:42.679
they were able to somehow project I can't remember if

581
00:35:42.679 --> 00:35:46.519
it was from the wreckage of the Archimedes or or where.

582
00:35:46.639 --> 00:35:48.800
If it was from the Gorn Zone ship, I can't remember,

583
00:35:48.800 --> 00:35:51.719
but they just basically made like a kind of projectable

584
00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:55.039
deflector shield, which was really cool. So I like that idea.

585
00:35:56.440 --> 00:35:57.159
That was cool.

586
00:35:57.679 --> 00:35:58.880
I would like to have one of those if I

587
00:35:58.920 --> 00:36:10.079
ever after, Like, all right, the bus, Yeah, Charles, what

588
00:36:10.119 --> 00:36:14.119
does or Tagas modify into a rudimental translator that allows

589
00:36:14.119 --> 00:36:16.760
her to communicate with simple yes and no answers with

590
00:36:16.960 --> 00:36:17.440
the Gorn?

591
00:36:19.239 --> 00:36:21.639
Well watching the episode, as far as I could figure,

592
00:36:21.679 --> 00:36:23.119
it might have been a tricorder.

593
00:36:24.679 --> 00:36:30.239
Ye, look like it's definitely. I do have a question

594
00:36:30.280 --> 00:36:34.639
about that though, for my Trek experts, did not on

595
00:36:34.760 --> 00:36:39.679
Star Trek Discovery in season one did Michael Burnham create

596
00:36:39.719 --> 00:36:42.719
the translator that would allow them to talk to the Klingon?

597
00:36:42.920 --> 00:36:46.039
So they already had a translator? Am I? Am I

598
00:36:46.119 --> 00:36:47.800
right or wrong on this one? Yeah?

599
00:36:47.840 --> 00:36:50.039
But the thing about a universal translator is is that

600
00:36:50.079 --> 00:36:52.679
it has to have It's not really universal. It has

601
00:36:52.719 --> 00:36:55.920
to have some sample data for it to work. So

602
00:36:56.519 --> 00:36:58.920
and also they're not built into the communicators like they

603
00:36:58.920 --> 00:37:03.039
were later on in there. It's like a separate device.

604
00:37:03.760 --> 00:37:04.239
Okay.

605
00:37:04.559 --> 00:37:08.360
Cool, Like in d S nine and Little Green Men

606
00:37:09.119 --> 00:37:12.679
they have love what's you know? They Fani had them

607
00:37:12.719 --> 00:37:16.199
in their ears. It's sub Yeah.

608
00:37:18.000 --> 00:37:20.960
And another interesting fact about the translator is that the

609
00:37:21.079 --> 00:37:24.960
episode The Enterprise, at the very end when they were

610
00:37:25.280 --> 00:37:29.000
forming the Federation, they actually had they actually wore something

611
00:37:29.039 --> 00:37:32.519
similar to a combat that it's like a universal translator

612
00:37:33.199 --> 00:37:37.360
during that whole speech and everything, so all the alien

613
00:37:37.440 --> 00:37:39.360
could understand what the English were talking about.

614
00:37:39.800 --> 00:37:44.840
So kind of interesting, pretty cool, pretty cool. All right,

615
00:37:44.960 --> 00:37:46.880
you get the final question, Charles.

616
00:37:46.480 --> 00:37:53.599
Al ready and the flies the Enterprise? Who flies the

617
00:37:53.719 --> 00:37:57.519
Enterprise any of the Wormhole in the absence of Artagans?

618
00:37:59.519 --> 00:37:59.639
Uh.

619
00:38:00.679 --> 00:38:06.880
Well, I'm going to answer this question, Jim. I'm pretty

620
00:38:06.880 --> 00:38:08.960
sure it was the second best pilot on the ship,

621
00:38:09.119 --> 00:38:11.719
and the second best pilot on this ship is our

622
00:38:11.760 --> 00:38:13.079
dear captain, mister Pike.

623
00:38:13.599 --> 00:38:17.800
Mister Pike, that's right, he was the pilot. And that,

624
00:38:17.840 --> 00:38:20.360
my friends wraps up are trivia. I hope you guys

625
00:38:20.360 --> 00:38:24.239
had fun, and I hope you guys did as good

626
00:38:24.280 --> 00:38:27.000
as the trucks first, and we'll be back again with

627
00:38:27.079 --> 00:38:29.719
more truck trivia next week, so thank you very much.

628
00:38:30.320 --> 00:38:33.800
And this is the part of the show where Charles

629
00:38:34.239 --> 00:38:36.280
gives us a little bit of cadet training and tells

630
00:38:36.320 --> 00:38:38.199
us some things in the episode that you might want

631
00:38:38.239 --> 00:38:43.280
to go and check out. So take it away, Charles.

632
00:38:44.000 --> 00:38:48.119
Thank you, Jim, but start with a real basic one,

633
00:38:48.159 --> 00:38:51.960
since we're dealing with a shuttle craft, experimental shuttle craft

634
00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:58.960
Voyager and the Delta Flyer, which, yes.

635
00:38:58.880 --> 00:39:02.800
Which shuttlecraft was experimental in this episode.

636
00:39:04.000 --> 00:39:08.039
Didn't they modify the shuttle itself removing some equipment to

637
00:39:08.119 --> 00:39:12.760
make it uht a more specific flying ability.

638
00:39:13.599 --> 00:39:18.400
The Archimedes Okay, yes, maybe maybe they did modify it, yeah,

639
00:39:18.480 --> 00:39:23.480
because I think, but they didn't a new shuttle craft

640
00:39:23.480 --> 00:39:24.000
to do it.

641
00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:31.199
For it they had it, so basically she had shielded everything.

642
00:39:35.719 --> 00:39:42.239
Right now, and the most well known wormhole d S nine,

643
00:39:42.320 --> 00:39:46.280
the Bajoran wormhole, which we saw in the rarely saw

644
00:39:46.320 --> 00:39:53.400
in the Emissary DNNG the Enemy season three episode seven

645
00:39:54.039 --> 00:39:57.639
during the rock Jeordie and the Ramyn lost on a planet.

646
00:39:58.960 --> 00:40:02.800
We also avoid your Displaced season three episode twenty four,

647
00:40:03.519 --> 00:40:05.920
where the crew has taken a hostage and their minds

648
00:40:05.920 --> 00:40:11.800
are raced to be a work crew. Of course, Paul's

649
00:40:11.880 --> 00:40:18.039
favorite TOS Doomsday Machine Season two episode six, Captain Decker

650
00:40:18.119 --> 00:40:23.920
the USS Constellation NCC seven ten seventeen mentioned to meet

651
00:40:23.960 --> 00:40:31.960
with the serum dnng's relics. Season six, episode four, Jordi

652
00:40:32.159 --> 00:40:37.400
and Montgomery Scott use USS Jenolan's shield prevent the dyce

653
00:40:37.480 --> 00:40:41.000
In Sphere doors from closing, creating a shield around their

654
00:40:41.039 --> 00:40:44.440
ship to keep the doors open, just as the Enterprise

655
00:40:44.519 --> 00:40:47.159
put a shield around to keep the wormhole from closing.

656
00:40:49.159 --> 00:40:54.760
TS Galileo seven, Season one, episode sixteen Spock Jennison's the

657
00:40:54.800 --> 00:41:00.639
Galileo fuel to create a flare like distress call in

658
00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:06.000
the course the most obvious episode cos Arena season one

659
00:41:06.119 --> 00:41:11.400
episode eighteen. A lot of episodes should go back and look.

660
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At all, right, guys, that's our ro cadet training. And

661
00:41:18.599 --> 00:41:21.840
while you're over at Trek talking and beyond, you guys

662
00:41:21.840 --> 00:41:24.400
can vote on the episode and we'll collect all that

663
00:41:24.480 --> 00:41:29.719
information and tabulate it. So, Eric, what did our Facebook

664
00:41:29.760 --> 00:41:31.639
fans have to say about Terrarium?

665
00:41:32.840 --> 00:41:36.360
Lee Montgomery said three point five Still better than those

666
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stupid comedy episodes brutal, vocal Ruck Deshel said one of

667
00:41:44.760 --> 00:41:49.079
the best. Ten points. Yeah, top top fan. Mark Rodriguez

668
00:41:49.079 --> 00:41:53.239
said a strong nine. Dave Stewart said nine best of season.

669
00:41:53.840 --> 00:41:59.199
All should be this standard. Mike Mike said ten. Clearly

670
00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:02.800
good story insights, self discovery, nothing hanging out to be debated.

671
00:42:03.320 --> 00:42:07.360
It was a nightmare which would dispel fear slash ignorance,

672
00:42:07.400 --> 00:42:10.519
and it shows the metrons were tinkering from the beginning

673
00:42:10.639 --> 00:42:14.760
with us and the Gorn. Carol Anne Bennett said ten

674
00:42:14.840 --> 00:42:18.719
for me, brilliant. Scott D. Smith said it was pretty good.

675
00:42:19.159 --> 00:42:21.719
The ending caught me by surprise. I was expecting a

676
00:42:21.760 --> 00:42:24.920
gorn trap. It was out of character for Uhura to

677
00:42:25.000 --> 00:42:28.519
do that. Perhaps maybe lawn or maybe he did mean

678
00:42:28.679 --> 00:42:32.239
Uhura lying a little bit. Eight out of ten. The

679
00:42:32.239 --> 00:42:37.320
actress did a good job. Grant iwasa said rip off

680
00:42:37.360 --> 00:42:40.920
of Star trek Os arena and why are they bumping

681
00:42:40.960 --> 00:42:43.159
into the metrons ahead of Kirk meeting one an arena?

682
00:42:43.800 --> 00:42:49.239
Give it us six at best, no originality. Steve Kinceski

683
00:42:49.360 --> 00:42:53.519
said ten. Wow, best episode of the three seasons. Finally

684
00:42:53.639 --> 00:42:58.679
a strange New world and Michael J. Scott gave it

685
00:42:58.719 --> 00:43:01.840
a nine. Point nine minus point one due to a

686
00:43:01.960 --> 00:43:06.280
gorn death, and that gives us a fan score of

687
00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:10.960
eight point six. And eight point six is pretty solid.

688
00:43:11.599 --> 00:43:15.639
We've had two higher this season the Salot who Ate

689
00:43:15.639 --> 00:43:20.719
its tail and four and a half Fulcins somehow got points. Sorry,

690
00:43:22.000 --> 00:43:24.400
but yeah, Terrarium, pretty good score, third highest of the

691
00:43:24.440 --> 00:43:25.519
season for our fans.

692
00:43:27.719 --> 00:43:31.360
Very respectable score. And Paul, you want to give us

693
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a quick synopsis of the episode and then we'll dive

694
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right in.

695
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All right, sounds good, And reminder, before we get started,

696
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702
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overview of this week's episode. That's excellent, sponsors, We appreciate that. Yes,

703
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we've gathered here today friends discuss Star trek Strange World

704
00:44:21.079 --> 00:44:26.880
season three episode Geranium, which in the television business we

705
00:44:26.960 --> 00:44:29.880
call the penultimate episode. Just to work that into your

706
00:44:29.920 --> 00:44:32.480
vote out there, I mean the next to last episode

707
00:44:32.480 --> 00:44:34.960
of the season, right, And so that is what we've

708
00:44:34.960 --> 00:44:41.559
got here in one sentence. Basically, Lieutenant or a Tagus

709
00:44:41.639 --> 00:44:46.039
is stranded on a very baren desolate mood after wormhole

710
00:44:46.119 --> 00:44:49.239
accidents during the solo survey mission. So we have a

711
00:44:49.280 --> 00:44:52.119
lot of interesting things to break down here. As we

712
00:44:52.239 --> 00:44:55.039
mentioned during cadet training there, she's got a really stripped

713
00:44:55.039 --> 00:44:57.880
down shuttle to survey this region of space that they

714
00:44:58.039 --> 00:45:01.119
run into a lot of crazy gravity as going on there,

715
00:45:01.639 --> 00:45:05.199
this wormhole appears unexpectedly and she is sucked in with

716
00:45:05.239 --> 00:45:09.320
her shuttle and crash lands on this moon, seemingly never

717
00:45:09.360 --> 00:45:12.440
to be connected with the Enterprise again, right, very cool

718
00:45:12.480 --> 00:45:17.360
set up, and it's a survival story. She's forced to

719
00:45:17.360 --> 00:45:19.679
basically figure out how she's gonna, you know, get through

720
00:45:19.719 --> 00:45:22.440
things there. And then we talked about this. They are

721
00:45:22.480 --> 00:45:27.119
just gigantic, horrific looking earwigs or millipedes or whatever you

722
00:45:27.159 --> 00:45:29.400
want to call them, the spring out of you know,

723
00:45:29.559 --> 00:45:33.719
craters and come to get you. That are terrifying. So

724
00:45:33.719 --> 00:45:37.639
it's not just this inhospitable planet with this rather dangerous

725
00:45:37.679 --> 00:45:40.159
elliptical orbit that could fry up pretty easily, but it's

726
00:45:40.239 --> 00:45:43.079
populated by these horrific bugs as well, so things are

727
00:45:43.079 --> 00:45:47.360
not good. And as if that's not enough, or take

728
00:45:47.400 --> 00:45:53.159
as stumbles upon a stranded Gorn pilot, okay, really really

729
00:45:53.199 --> 00:45:56.679
crazy and inicily of course, because she's carrying a lot

730
00:45:56.679 --> 00:46:00.519
of you know, from our season's premiere, she's carrying a

731
00:46:00.519 --> 00:46:04.559
lot of angst and frustration from her you know, injuries

732
00:46:04.639 --> 00:46:07.360
and torment at the hands of the Gorn. But she's

733
00:46:07.400 --> 00:46:09.960
got a you know, basically team up, which is a

734
00:46:10.000 --> 00:46:13.559
great sci fi premise, right, and work with the Gorn

735
00:46:13.639 --> 00:46:15.639
for mutual survival.

736
00:46:15.960 --> 00:46:16.119
Right.

737
00:46:16.280 --> 00:46:19.719
So this is you know, Timba his eye arms wide,

738
00:46:20.039 --> 00:46:25.960
you know, very Dharmack and Tanagra very much evoking well,

739
00:46:26.039 --> 00:46:29.519
you know, not so much Arena, but the classic picture

740
00:46:29.599 --> 00:46:32.960
from I think it was in the eighties. Uncle Jim

741
00:46:32.960 --> 00:46:35.000
Will sent me straight on this, but it reminded me

742
00:46:35.039 --> 00:46:37.840
a lot of enemy mind a lot and in a

743
00:46:37.840 --> 00:46:38.239
good way.

744
00:46:38.639 --> 00:46:38.800
Right.

745
00:46:38.880 --> 00:46:41.360
I think that I can't apologies, I can't pull the

746
00:46:41.480 --> 00:46:45.239
ear out of myself here. So the Gorn captain is revealed,

747
00:46:46.400 --> 00:46:48.480
thank you, perfect. I thought that was in the old

748
00:46:48.519 --> 00:46:52.159
New York days. There the Goran pilot is injured and

749
00:46:52.199 --> 00:46:56.760
it's a female and is really surprised or tagis by

750
00:46:57.239 --> 00:47:00.239
you know, expressing empathy for her. We've heard a lot

751
00:47:00.239 --> 00:47:02.480
about empathy in the world this week, but you get

752
00:47:02.519 --> 00:47:05.960
a lot of empathy from the Gorn pilot helping defend

753
00:47:06.280 --> 00:47:09.360
or tag Us from the creatures and protect her with

754
00:47:09.400 --> 00:47:13.639
shielding and do and even provide food for her. So

755
00:47:13.679 --> 00:47:16.960
they willing to not treat or take us as an enemy,

756
00:47:17.000 --> 00:47:20.719
but as somebody who also needs help, and they're thrown

757
00:47:20.760 --> 00:47:24.840
in the situation together, right, And then we end up

758
00:47:24.880 --> 00:47:29.199
finding out because we mentioned earlier complicated thing where the

759
00:47:29.280 --> 00:47:32.599
Enterprise figures out how to create a stable warp field

760
00:47:32.639 --> 00:47:36.280
and push itself into the wormhole so that they can

761
00:47:36.360 --> 00:47:39.639
find or take us again and or take us as

762
00:47:39.639 --> 00:47:45.320
something to attract their attention. And everything's okay until Lawn

763
00:47:45.239 --> 00:47:49.320
and their security team, you know, as though they're basically

764
00:47:49.599 --> 00:47:54.880
working in you know, southern Los Angeles, just suddenly bursts

765
00:47:54.920 --> 00:47:59.400
into the scene and shoots the Gorn ally on site,

766
00:47:59.440 --> 00:48:03.039
which is it a whole tragic thing, And then in

767
00:48:03.119 --> 00:48:07.360
a little de numont action, the Metrons received revealed themselves,

768
00:48:07.440 --> 00:48:11.760
which is some interesting casting there, and realize that this

769
00:48:11.840 --> 00:48:15.360
is to address some of the concerns that our well

770
00:48:15.360 --> 00:48:20.440
intentioned fans had in their episode scores. This is basically

771
00:48:20.480 --> 00:48:23.960
tying into what we see later in Arena, right, so

772
00:48:24.000 --> 00:48:26.599
that this is that Arena has ended up being revealed.

773
00:48:26.599 --> 00:48:28.920
It's not the first time that the Metrons have been

774
00:48:28.960 --> 00:48:33.039
scoping out the Gorn and experimenting and learning from the

775
00:48:33.079 --> 00:48:36.079
relationships that humans have with the Gorn. This is actually

776
00:48:36.159 --> 00:48:39.480
an earlier sample of that, so it's kind of ends

777
00:48:39.559 --> 00:48:43.280
up working I think very nicely as a prequel. I

778
00:48:43.320 --> 00:48:48.079
think here so laans reflexes are a little bit unchecked here,

779
00:48:48.159 --> 00:48:51.840
and a tragic sense happens around that where it's unclear

780
00:48:52.519 --> 00:48:54.679
with the Metrons exactly how much of all this stuff

781
00:48:54.719 --> 00:48:57.800
that Laon is going to remember, because I think they're

782
00:48:57.840 --> 00:49:00.679
messingg I don't think that they will that Law will

783
00:49:00.719 --> 00:49:03.559
remember the Metrons. I think she will just remember her

784
00:49:03.599 --> 00:49:05.960
time with the Gorn was the impression I got. But

785
00:49:05.960 --> 00:49:10.519
we'll see what everyone else says. It is very fortunate

786
00:49:10.559 --> 00:49:12.840
for this episode to fall on the heels of last

787
00:49:12.880 --> 00:49:15.360
week's episode, which I did not care for that much.

788
00:49:15.400 --> 00:49:17.239
But wow, I thought this was a real return to

789
00:49:17.320 --> 00:49:20.280
form and it felt to me like a real classic

790
00:49:20.719 --> 00:49:26.000
old school you know, Meat and Potatoes Star Trek episode.

791
00:49:26.480 --> 00:49:28.639
I mean, it's a little rough going in the first

792
00:49:28.639 --> 00:49:31.559
half because the fact that she's by herself, Erica is

793
00:49:31.599 --> 00:49:35.079
required to talk out loud to herself a lot, which

794
00:49:35.079 --> 00:49:37.239
is difficult, right, because that's something that's very hard to

795
00:49:37.280 --> 00:49:40.239
suspend your disbelief. Right She's like, Okay, now I'm going

796
00:49:40.320 --> 00:49:41.920
to make a fire and I better be careful and

797
00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:44.719
who she is? What about these bugs? So she's narrating

798
00:49:44.920 --> 00:49:46.880
like crazy for the first half the episode. It was

799
00:49:46.880 --> 00:49:51.920
a little annoying for me. But the dynamic of learning

800
00:49:51.960 --> 00:49:57.679
to coexist with your enemy and transcend factionism and work

801
00:49:57.719 --> 00:50:01.519
together for your mutual survival, that theme speaks to me loudly,

802
00:50:01.840 --> 00:50:04.880
and I thought that was someone that we really need

803
00:50:04.880 --> 00:50:07.679
to hear. So I thought that was all handled very

804
00:50:07.760 --> 00:50:10.800
very well for the most part. I think, you know,

805
00:50:11.239 --> 00:50:13.400
we talked about it were a little fudging the data

806
00:50:14.039 --> 00:50:17.840
right in her zeal to you know, get what he wanted,

807
00:50:17.880 --> 00:50:19.920
which is not a great lesson to be telling people.

808
00:50:20.480 --> 00:50:22.039
So I hope that she gets you know, maybe we

809
00:50:22.039 --> 00:50:24.480
could throw her an Eric in the brig for an episode,

810
00:50:24.559 --> 00:50:26.960
you know, just to basically teach the lesson that both

811
00:50:28.440 --> 00:50:33.440
I'm sorry, I'm gonna get along witted here, but still

812
00:50:33.519 --> 00:50:36.400
a great episode. I really liked it a lot, and

813
00:50:36.639 --> 00:50:39.880
I would be happy to give this. I think a

814
00:50:40.000 --> 00:50:43.360
nine seems appropriate. I don't know if it's all time

815
00:50:43.400 --> 00:50:46.280
classic status that's what I saved the tens for, but

816
00:50:46.440 --> 00:50:48.719
it sure is close, right, It sure is close. I've

817
00:50:48.760 --> 00:50:50.239
only watched it once, but I just thought it was

818
00:50:50.239 --> 00:50:54.960
a refreshing, well written which we've been needing. A well

819
00:50:54.960 --> 00:50:58.880
written episode and a real showcase for the actress who

820
00:50:58.880 --> 00:51:02.599
plays Eric ord Thus to carry the whole episode. Right.

821
00:51:02.639 --> 00:51:06.360
So that's my take on it. I give an enthusiastic nine.

822
00:51:07.599 --> 00:51:10.280
That was really nice work, and I'm super excited to

823
00:51:10.320 --> 00:51:14.920
watch tonight's finale. You know, I'd love to see him

824
00:51:14.920 --> 00:51:18.280
go on. So that's that's my wacky thoughts. Who's going

825
00:51:18.320 --> 00:51:19.119
to jump in next?

826
00:51:21.000 --> 00:51:25.360
Right? Excellent? So V you want to follow up Paul

827
00:51:25.800 --> 00:51:27.679
and share your opinions?

828
00:51:27.880 --> 00:51:31.800
Sure? Well, Unfortunately I only for some reason, I only

829
00:51:31.880 --> 00:51:35.280
heard like every fifth word that Paul said. I'm sure

830
00:51:35.280 --> 00:51:38.840
you gave a stellar review. I have no doubt, and

831
00:51:39.079 --> 00:51:43.599
I want to see more of our sponsor on the show.

832
00:51:44.039 --> 00:51:47.760
The Prune Juice. That was great, No this was this

833
00:51:47.960 --> 00:51:52.320
was a this was a wonderful episode. I mean it

834
00:51:52.400 --> 00:52:00.079
was wonderful. It was heartbreaking. And again for as a

835
00:52:00.119 --> 00:52:04.159
side note, at the panel with Celia Rose Good Gooding

836
00:52:04.360 --> 00:52:08.800
aka or Hora, she was mentioning that episode and everybody

837
00:52:08.880 --> 00:52:15.280
started chanting more tagus, more tegus because they really love her.

838
00:52:15.400 --> 00:52:19.119
So but to Carrie, basically the whole episode, that's that's

839
00:52:19.159 --> 00:52:25.639
not easy. But you know, the the unlikely coming together

840
00:52:26.559 --> 00:52:29.559
of Erica, who had her you know, she had that

841
00:52:29.599 --> 00:52:32.800
trauma from her you know, being almost killed by a

842
00:52:32.800 --> 00:52:40.239
goron before and being surprised, and I wonder, I just

843
00:52:40.360 --> 00:52:46.000
I really wonder what it was about that particular gorn

844
00:52:46.400 --> 00:52:51.639
that because it wasn't until the gorn throws a piece

845
00:52:51.719 --> 00:52:56.960
of whatever that was to Erica and she realized that,

846
00:52:57.519 --> 00:53:01.280
oh my gosh, she's trying to help me. She knows

847
00:53:01.320 --> 00:53:04.920
I'm starving, and she she's throwing me food, even though

848
00:53:04.920 --> 00:53:08.519
it was gross. Whatever she was doing and gagging had

849
00:53:08.519 --> 00:53:12.000
a turn. I had to turn away from that. But no,

850
00:53:12.159 --> 00:53:17.559
that just the even with the simple agree and disagree

851
00:53:18.000 --> 00:53:24.199
with that trichorder that Erica altered, I thought that was

852
00:53:24.280 --> 00:53:28.400
that was pretty clever. But uh and then It was

853
00:53:28.480 --> 00:53:34.119
just just absolutely heartbreaking seeing the Goren line there and

854
00:53:34.239 --> 00:53:38.599
just you know, her last breath and everything. So that

855
00:53:38.840 --> 00:53:41.840
just that I don't know, which just really upset me.

856
00:53:41.960 --> 00:53:45.800
But I don't think it deserved a three point five

857
00:53:45.880 --> 00:53:51.920
from ah that one fan because I guess, I guess

858
00:53:52.360 --> 00:53:55.480
they don't like strange New worlds. But I would I

859
00:53:55.519 --> 00:53:59.760
would definitely give this one a ten. You know. Yeah,

860
00:53:59.760 --> 00:54:03.159
it wasn't perfect, but it pulled me in. It had

861
00:54:03.199 --> 00:54:05.760
me like almost you know, on the edge of my seat,

862
00:54:05.840 --> 00:54:10.159
so to speak, until the very end, and so this

863
00:54:10.400 --> 00:54:12.559
was definitely a solid episode.

864
00:54:14.559 --> 00:54:25.440
All right, what do you think, David spill Ith.

865
00:54:21.559 --> 00:54:27.159
Yeah, so this episode I really enjoyed quite a bit.

866
00:54:27.360 --> 00:54:31.400
It was definitely something that what Paul mentioned before Alien

867
00:54:31.440 --> 00:54:38.000
Mind to the point where to the point where, which

868
00:54:38.039 --> 00:54:40.440
is kind of like it was a kind of like

869
00:54:40.480 --> 00:54:44.280
a copy thing, but at the same time, it was

870
00:54:44.400 --> 00:54:47.440
definitely something that I enjoyed. Could I actually did like

871
00:54:47.519 --> 00:54:49.920
Alien Mind when I'm younger.

872
00:54:50.239 --> 00:54:51.440
And Enemy Mine?

873
00:54:52.360 --> 00:54:52.599
Huh?

874
00:54:53.320 --> 00:54:55.519
Enemy Mine? You mean that movie Mine?

875
00:54:55.679 --> 00:54:58.599
Yeah? Yeah, not what it's kind of based off of,

876
00:54:58.880 --> 00:54:59.760
like being stuck.

877
00:54:59.559 --> 00:55:03.519
On the f mind. Yeah, sorry, the same thing.

878
00:55:03.960 --> 00:55:04.199
Yeah.

879
00:55:04.239 --> 00:55:09.159
So uh but anyway, so to be honest, this episode

880
00:55:09.760 --> 00:55:12.360
definitely got a higher score for me. I did like

881
00:55:13.119 --> 00:55:19.199
a lot of the mystery behind the uh what was

882
00:55:19.280 --> 00:55:24.000
beyond the wormhole. It definitely had a little bit of

883
00:55:25.440 --> 00:55:29.320
intense to the episode as well, and I enjoyed it.

884
00:55:29.320 --> 00:55:35.280
It was pretty fun, minus the couple bad bots here

885
00:55:35.280 --> 00:55:38.119
and there that I had, like the whole shooting to

886
00:55:38.159 --> 00:55:40.239
Going at the end, which I'm kind of hoping that

887
00:55:40.280 --> 00:55:44.079
Going would survive, to be honest, but I didn't know

888
00:55:44.119 --> 00:55:47.719
how they would carry that story on. But uh, yeah,

889
00:55:47.840 --> 00:55:50.519
that thing brought my score down for sure.

890
00:55:50.920 --> 00:55:51.840
However, the.

891
00:55:53.960 --> 00:55:58.360
Uh, the whole idea that getting the other thing that

892
00:55:58.400 --> 00:55:59.800
I found kind of weird. I mean, there was a

893
00:55:59.800 --> 00:56:04.320
whole wormhole, right, it's basically a vacuum cleaner, and I'm thinking,

894
00:56:04.480 --> 00:56:09.360
how is a ship supposed to prevent it stop from

895
00:56:09.360 --> 00:56:12.079
getting shot through? So I don't know. I guess I

896
00:56:12.119 --> 00:56:13.639
was thinking too much in the line of the d

897
00:56:13.760 --> 00:56:15.840
S nine wormhole where everything just kind of like went

898
00:56:15.920 --> 00:56:17.119
to warp right through it, I guess.

899
00:56:17.159 --> 00:56:21.800
But I think in d S nine's defense, I think

900
00:56:21.840 --> 00:56:25.360
you fly into the wormhole, the wormhole doesn't suck you in,

901
00:56:25.800 --> 00:56:27.719
so you you have to be you have to have

902
00:56:27.800 --> 00:56:29.360
a power flight into the.

903
00:56:29.760 --> 00:56:31.519
Yeah, it just had that effect that it looks like

904
00:56:31.559 --> 00:56:33.079
they were being sucked in because it looks like they

905
00:56:33.079 --> 00:56:35.280
were getting faster and faster, and she kind of went

906
00:56:35.320 --> 00:56:37.880
into it. But I don't know, it's just my thoughts

907
00:56:37.920 --> 00:56:43.079
of how wormholes works since I watched D nine. But anyway,

908
00:56:43.079 --> 00:56:46.239
overall this episode, I'm going to be giving it an eight.

909
00:56:46.880 --> 00:56:48.239
I actually enjoyed it.

910
00:56:49.880 --> 00:56:53.119
Well. In the in the Night In the nineteen seventy

911
00:56:53.239 --> 00:56:58.599
nine Disney classic The black Hole, there is an event

912
00:56:58.719 --> 00:57:01.840
horizon that you can go right up to and kind

913
00:57:01.840 --> 00:57:05.440
of hang on the event horizon before you get pulled

914
00:57:05.440 --> 00:57:09.360
into the gravitational field of the black hole. So perhaps

915
00:57:09.480 --> 00:57:13.679
the Enterprise was lingering around the event horizon, or in

916
00:57:13.719 --> 00:57:16.719
the case of the black Hole, Maximilian Shell had built

917
00:57:16.760 --> 00:57:22.239
this defense field which would allow them to define the

918
00:57:22.280 --> 00:57:29.000
gravity of the black hole. Who knows. But yeah, so Charles,

919
00:57:29.360 --> 00:57:33.159
what did you think? All right?

920
00:57:35.360 --> 00:57:39.159
Whereas I like, she starts declaring as she leaves the ship,

921
00:57:39.760 --> 00:57:46.360
let's light this candle. Definitely she shows off her definite

922
00:57:46.440 --> 00:57:52.000
piloting skills actually on the planet. I liked her narration.

923
00:57:53.079 --> 00:57:56.320
It gave me more of a theatrical type version of

924
00:57:56.440 --> 00:57:59.800
on stage. You only got one person on stage, but

925
00:58:00.159 --> 00:58:02.599
letting you know what's going on around them? What are

926
00:58:02.639 --> 00:58:06.719
they thinking? We're not seeing thought bubbles popping up up

927
00:58:06.719 --> 00:58:11.400
her head thinking about how do I make water? She's

928
00:58:11.480 --> 00:58:15.039
telling us what she's doing, and to me, that's a

929
00:58:15.119 --> 00:58:21.440
good narration that we often get from theater. So tell

930
00:58:21.480 --> 00:58:23.760
me what's going on. I can't always see it, so

931
00:58:23.880 --> 00:58:27.719
let me know what you're thinking. So I like that

932
00:58:28.039 --> 00:58:33.760
part of it. Communication with the female Gorn. I thought

933
00:58:33.800 --> 00:58:39.039
it interesting the female Gorn understood her, didn't consider her

934
00:58:39.480 --> 00:58:44.719
a prey, but just understand her. It's an enemy. I

935
00:58:44.760 --> 00:58:53.679
want to better understand my enemy. And I think it's

936
00:58:54.039 --> 00:58:58.599
they may have their very hard uh something more than

937
00:58:58.639 --> 00:59:06.960
the Klingon society, but they definitely have the focus to

938
00:59:07.000 --> 00:59:10.760
sit there and look at their enemy and understand who

939
00:59:10.760 --> 00:59:15.159
their enemy is. So I like that part. I like

940
00:59:15.239 --> 00:59:21.920
how they Ortega's helped her out. She offers Ortega food

941
00:59:23.119 --> 00:59:28.840
see cringes when Ortega creates fire, but Artegas admits, like,

942
00:59:28.960 --> 00:59:32.880
I can't eat sushi. I want to eat something cooked.

943
00:59:33.360 --> 00:59:36.920
Yeah that was funny, but it was, but it kind

944
00:59:36.920 --> 00:59:41.840
of made sense, like, Okay, that's that made sense to

945
00:59:41.880 --> 00:59:48.039
it and interesting during what was going on, and we.

946
00:59:48.079 --> 00:59:53.719
Hear this, disagree, disagree, disagree. We knew the Gorn, didn't

947
00:59:53.840 --> 00:59:56.360
like the plan, knew the I think expected that it

948
00:59:56.440 --> 00:59:59.840
had to be how the plan worked, didn't like the plant.

949
01:00:03.119 --> 01:00:11.199
But we got to the end and well on beams down,

950
01:00:12.519 --> 01:00:15.559
sees an enemy and shoots firts and ask questions later

951
01:00:17.719 --> 01:00:19.880
as we degreed on that one, I think that was

952
01:00:19.920 --> 01:00:23.719
a very poor choice of thing to do. Somebody's coming

953
01:00:23.719 --> 01:00:25.679
out with a pod like that. You don't sit there

954
01:00:25.719 --> 01:00:29.519
and automatically shoot them. I don't care who they are.

955
01:00:29.559 --> 01:00:31.960
You don't likely go shooting to find out what's going

956
01:00:32.119 --> 01:00:36.920
You find out what's going on first. Yes, I kind

957
01:00:36.920 --> 01:00:44.239
of understand Paul admitting that this is a prequel to Arena,

958
01:00:44.400 --> 01:00:48.000
but I was just the mood when I saw It's like, Okay,

959
01:00:48.880 --> 01:00:51.320
I know we've got a lot of Easter eggs to trek,

960
01:00:51.519 --> 01:00:56.239
but do we need to tie so many things constantly too?

961
01:00:57.880 --> 01:01:02.840
What's going to happen in the future. I didn't need

962
01:01:02.960 --> 01:01:05.320
us going through and saying, oh, this whole thing was

963
01:01:05.320 --> 01:01:10.119
put together by the Metrons. Well, I really wasn't hoping

964
01:01:10.199 --> 01:01:14.760
this whole thing wasn't put together by the Metrons just

965
01:01:14.840 --> 01:01:17.960
as que they're kind of getting in there and throwing

966
01:01:18.000 --> 01:01:24.360
their weight around. Did the Metrons help to make sure

967
01:01:24.360 --> 01:01:28.519
the Enterprise could rescue her? Or was just how they

968
01:01:28.519 --> 01:01:33.239
were studying the two enemies? Kind of got me the point, like, okay,

969
01:01:33.400 --> 01:01:37.039
which is to be set up for Enterprise or we're

970
01:01:37.159 --> 01:01:39.119
just the setup of trying to see what happens to

971
01:01:39.239 --> 01:01:43.880
human and a Gorn and another human and seeing how

972
01:01:44.599 --> 01:01:49.880
that goes. And I'm going to kind of agree with

973
01:01:50.239 --> 01:01:54.679
towards David idea. I said, with a couple of negatives

974
01:01:54.679 --> 01:01:56.079
in this one. I'm going to give it to an

975
01:01:56.119 --> 01:02:02.800
eight to two good episod, but I could have could

976
01:02:02.800 --> 01:02:03.559
have used some work.

977
01:02:06.480 --> 01:02:08.280
All right, how about you, Eric, what do you think?

978
01:02:10.159 --> 01:02:10.280
Uh?

979
01:02:11.079 --> 01:02:11.360
Wow?

980
01:02:11.440 --> 01:02:15.159
Okay, So overall I thought really great premise. We talked about,

981
01:02:15.199 --> 01:02:17.360
you know what the whole thing is, and it's a

982
01:02:17.400 --> 01:02:22.360
cool planet that Ortigas ends up on, not really you know,

983
01:02:23.119 --> 01:02:25.679
a planet type that we see too much of in

984
01:02:25.719 --> 01:02:29.000
Star Trek. So I thought that was really cool. I

985
01:02:29.039 --> 01:02:30.920
will admit I tend to agree with Charles on the

986
01:02:30.960 --> 01:02:33.719
internal dialogue part. I actually liked that, and I do

987
01:02:33.800 --> 01:02:37.840
think that that reference that you said Charles to theater

988
01:02:37.960 --> 01:02:40.920
it being like a theater device is absolutely true, So

989
01:02:41.760 --> 01:02:44.280
didn't bug me one bit. I get it's a little

990
01:02:44.440 --> 01:02:46.760
you know exposition. Ye, I mean you're seeing what she's

991
01:02:46.800 --> 01:02:48.920
doing and she's explaining it at the same time. But

992
01:02:49.000 --> 01:02:53.079
I don't know, I thought it was okay. This episode

993
01:02:53.119 --> 01:02:57.119
for me set up that classic Star Trek problem of

994
01:02:57.199 --> 01:02:59.840
the needs of the few outweigh the needs of the

995
01:03:01.480 --> 01:03:04.320
really well, you know, it's like a whole starship's worth

996
01:03:04.320 --> 01:03:08.199
of people and another four thousand people against saving this

997
01:03:08.239 --> 01:03:12.960
one person, so you know, sometimes that person's worth it.

998
01:03:13.519 --> 01:03:16.800
I love that kind of philosophical debate in Star Trek

999
01:03:16.920 --> 01:03:21.199
and you know, whether many people have more value than

1000
01:03:21.440 --> 01:03:25.119
one person or not. I just I'm fascinated by that,

1001
01:03:25.199 --> 01:03:27.360
and I never exactly know what the right answer is.

1002
01:03:27.400 --> 01:03:31.199
Sort of depends on how I'm feeling underneath particular day. Yeah,

1003
01:03:31.239 --> 01:03:34.039
this episode did a great job of that. I thought.

1004
01:03:35.800 --> 01:03:39.320
I thought Number one was great in the criticisms and

1005
01:03:40.239 --> 01:03:43.000
you know, alternates that she kept offering throughout the episode.

1006
01:03:43.119 --> 01:03:47.920
Is nice to see a really effective XO like it

1007
01:03:48.000 --> 01:03:50.079
kind of makes me think back to like Riker and

1008
01:03:50.239 --> 01:03:55.320
you know, right like was Riker a really good was

1009
01:03:55.360 --> 01:03:57.480
he really good at his job? And I haven't thought

1010
01:03:57.480 --> 01:03:59.559
too much about this, but like, you know, the job

1011
01:03:59.599 --> 01:04:01.639
of the X is to kind of question the captain

1012
01:04:01.719 --> 01:04:04.119
and like provide alternatives and that kind of stuff, and

1013
01:04:04.119 --> 01:04:07.199
I think he provided alternatives, but Pacard was always right

1014
01:04:07.199 --> 01:04:09.800
in the end. And I feel like I feel like

1015
01:04:09.880 --> 01:04:12.559
number one's got more of a chance of being right

1016
01:04:12.639 --> 01:04:17.360
than Riyker does on any given day. Maybe she's just

1017
01:04:17.559 --> 01:04:20.239
got good ideas. I don't know, but I appreciated what

1018
01:04:20.280 --> 01:04:22.519
they did with her character in this one too. I

1019
01:04:22.559 --> 01:04:26.760
also appreciated the a moment where there were a couple

1020
01:04:26.760 --> 01:04:28.760
of moments. I mean, obviously she's really digging in on

1021
01:04:28.840 --> 01:04:32.440
saving Erica, which is which is cool because they're close friends.

1022
01:04:32.880 --> 01:04:35.599
There's the one moment where she says to Spock that

1023
01:04:35.679 --> 01:04:38.239
she has faith that this thing can work, and it

1024
01:04:38.280 --> 01:04:41.719
was kind of one of those moments where Spock's like science, science, science,

1025
01:04:42.159 --> 01:04:46.760
and She's like, yeah, but faith, and he was like, hmm, okay,

1026
01:04:47.119 --> 01:04:49.360
let's keep doing it. I'm gonna stick around, let's let's

1027
01:04:49.400 --> 01:04:53.039
go for it. I appreciated that kind of like acquiescing

1028
01:04:53.079 --> 01:04:56.840
of Spock to you know, a way of thinking that

1029
01:04:56.880 --> 01:05:00.960
he doesn't necessarily naturally have in himself. And in fact,

1030
01:05:01.039 --> 01:05:03.000
I think it was later on in the episode where

1031
01:05:04.960 --> 01:05:07.599
Eric is I assume kind of that that idea of

1032
01:05:07.639 --> 01:05:10.199
faith is what causes her to to bust out the

1033
01:05:10.239 --> 01:05:13.920
Swahili too, which I thought was a nice tie into

1034
01:05:14.440 --> 01:05:18.159
our original uhurah and you know what her background was

1035
01:05:18.199 --> 01:05:20.360
and all that kind of stuff. So that was that

1036
01:05:20.440 --> 01:05:24.440
was fun to see that thrown into this episode. I

1037
01:05:24.480 --> 01:05:26.599
loved the Gorn show and the first sign of kindness.

1038
01:05:28.239 --> 01:05:30.119
When I watched this with my wife, she was like,

1039
01:05:30.840 --> 01:05:32.400
when did they have time to sit down and play

1040
01:05:32.440 --> 01:05:35.079
board games? Because since she's supposed to be fixing the

1041
01:05:35.079 --> 01:05:39.039
calm thing, like, why are they playing chess? So you know,

1042
01:05:39.239 --> 01:05:43.159
a little suspension of disbelief there, I guess, but that's okay,

1043
01:05:44.480 --> 01:05:48.760
and uh I think I literally, I'm pretty sure I

1044
01:05:48.800 --> 01:05:53.880
literally gasped when Laan shot the Gorn. I was not

1045
01:05:54.039 --> 01:05:58.599
at all really expecting that. You know, there's a lot

1046
01:05:58.599 --> 01:06:01.679
of questions about the Gorn because it's like, I'm not

1047
01:06:01.800 --> 01:06:04.599
clear if in tos In Arena, if that's supposed to

1048
01:06:04.639 --> 01:06:07.039
be the first time that they see the Gorn, or

1049
01:06:07.039 --> 01:06:09.360
if they're already familiar with the Gordon. I've always assumed

1050
01:06:09.400 --> 01:06:12.320
that was kind of like the first time, but I don't.

1051
01:06:12.519 --> 01:06:17.400
I don't really know. And I loved this whole you know,

1052
01:06:17.639 --> 01:06:21.480
becoming friends and this story that they built, and honestly,

1053
01:06:21.519 --> 01:06:23.360
I do think that this could have been handled in

1054
01:06:23.400 --> 01:06:26.199
a slightly different way. So so hear me out on this, Okay.

1055
01:06:26.599 --> 01:06:29.679
I've always been disappointed with what they've done with Betel

1056
01:06:30.480 --> 01:06:33.199
and the whole Gorn thing inside her. Now it seems

1057
01:06:33.199 --> 01:06:37.599
like everything's just fine. You know, she's strong. That's about

1058
01:06:37.639 --> 01:06:39.159
all she's got. I mean, I want her to have

1059
01:06:39.159 --> 01:06:43.320
a tail or something. But couldn't they have brought the

1060
01:06:43.360 --> 01:06:46.239
Gorn back to so instead of giving her the job

1061
01:06:46.400 --> 01:06:50.119
at the Judiciary or whatever, what if they had brought

1062
01:06:50.119 --> 01:06:54.199
this Gorn back to the ship and then Battel has

1063
01:06:54.320 --> 01:06:57.280
the special skills to be able to like communicate with

1064
01:06:57.360 --> 01:06:59.400
this Gorn and we already know this Gorn in this

1065
01:06:59.440 --> 01:07:02.239
episode go back to the Hegemony, right because they're injured,

1066
01:07:02.280 --> 01:07:06.760
they're broken, so they can't go back home. So what

1067
01:07:06.880 --> 01:07:10.119
if it's a found family story instead, and the Gordon

1068
01:07:10.159 --> 01:07:12.880
comes back to the ship and Betel understands them, and

1069
01:07:12.920 --> 01:07:17.199
then the two of them go off and do something together,

1070
01:07:17.400 --> 01:07:20.320
you know, become roommates or something on some other planet

1071
01:07:21.159 --> 01:07:25.440
because because they understand one another, you know. I mean,

1072
01:07:25.440 --> 01:07:27.280
that could have been a great spin off show, honestly.

1073
01:07:27.599 --> 01:07:31.920
So anyway, I just feel like they didn't. This episode

1074
01:07:31.920 --> 01:07:34.960
did not have to end in tragedy, you know it.

1075
01:07:36.039 --> 01:07:38.039
And I thought that was a little bit lazy the

1076
01:07:38.079 --> 01:07:40.480
way that they just chose to to kind of end

1077
01:07:40.480 --> 01:07:44.639
it with a gunshot. So I just really really didn't

1078
01:07:44.679 --> 01:07:47.719
dig that at all. And the last thing I'll mention

1079
01:07:47.840 --> 01:07:50.800
is I just really I can't remember who it was.

1080
01:07:51.000 --> 01:07:55.320
Maybe Charles said that didn't care for the Metron fair enough.

1081
01:07:57.000 --> 01:08:00.639
I literally got goosebumps when the Metron came on screen.

1082
01:08:01.480 --> 01:08:04.760
Their their voice was amazing, how it kept modulating between

1083
01:08:04.880 --> 01:08:05.760
like a male.

1084
01:08:05.599 --> 01:08:07.559
Voice and a male voice, and.

1085
01:08:07.440 --> 01:08:10.280
Like it just like, I don't know, I just thought

1086
01:08:10.280 --> 01:08:13.800
they were really super cool. And you know, they they

1087
01:08:14.559 --> 01:08:16.359
did the Star Trek magic where they're like, you won't

1088
01:08:16.439 --> 01:08:19.000
remember us, we'll see you in the future, you know,

1089
01:08:19.039 --> 01:08:20.560
which is okay. I mean we see that in Star

1090
01:08:20.600 --> 01:08:22.680
Trek all the time, so that that part didn't really

1091
01:08:22.760 --> 01:08:25.520
bug me either. But I I really liked the Metron

1092
01:08:25.560 --> 01:08:26.880
I love the way they looked, I love the way

1093
01:08:26.880 --> 01:08:29.640
they sounded. I thought the little I mean, the episode

1094
01:08:29.680 --> 01:08:32.439
is called Terrarium, and once again my wife is like,

1095
01:08:32.479 --> 01:08:35.800
what's the terrarium. I'm pretty sure the planet is the Terrarium,

1096
01:08:35.960 --> 01:08:39.039
and that the Gorn and Ortegas are like the pets,

1097
01:08:39.399 --> 01:08:42.479
like the you know, the things inside the little glass box.

1098
01:08:42.520 --> 01:08:45.479
And so really they would have had to have given

1099
01:08:45.520 --> 01:08:49.319
it a different name if the Metron wasn't there, because

1100
01:08:49.319 --> 01:08:52.640
somebody's got to own the Terrarium. So yeah, I really

1101
01:08:52.720 --> 01:08:55.479
dug this episode for me, was it was. It's probably

1102
01:08:55.520 --> 01:08:58.479
one of the best episodes of the season. I will

1103
01:08:58.520 --> 01:08:59.840
give this one a nine from me.

1104
01:09:01.199 --> 01:09:07.840
Awesome, awesome, So all right for me, there was a

1105
01:09:07.840 --> 01:09:13.720
Battlestar Galactica series called Galactica nineteen eighty and there was

1106
01:09:13.800 --> 01:09:18.119
one particular episode called Return of Starbuck and Starbuck crashes

1107
01:09:18.159 --> 01:09:20.520
on a planet with a Cylon and they become best

1108
01:09:20.520 --> 01:09:23.119
of friends. This reminded me of that as well as

1109
01:09:23.279 --> 01:09:25.479
Enemy Mine and a lot of other sci fi tropes.

1110
01:09:25.520 --> 01:09:29.399
So I it was very trophy, but that's okay. It worked,

1111
01:09:29.960 --> 01:09:33.560
the message was there, and it worked. They stripped down

1112
01:09:33.800 --> 01:09:37.920
the shuttle, took everything off of it, including the phasers.

1113
01:09:38.279 --> 01:09:42.239
She had a knife. If Ortegas had a phaser, would

1114
01:09:42.279 --> 01:09:47.119
she have shot the Gorn like land it because all

1115
01:09:47.159 --> 01:09:48.840
she had was a knife. She tried to stab it

1116
01:09:48.880 --> 01:09:51.199
with the knife. Would she have killed it with the

1117
01:09:51.239 --> 01:09:54.760
phaser if she had it? And that would have changed

1118
01:09:54.800 --> 01:09:57.439
the whole episode. So they gave her a knife so

1119
01:09:57.479 --> 01:10:01.279
that that wouldn't happen because they had become friends. So

1120
01:10:01.399 --> 01:10:03.520
I thought, you know, I thought that was really cool.

1121
01:10:03.680 --> 01:10:07.479
And the Gorn making her eat the game piece after

1122
01:10:07.520 --> 01:10:13.159
she won the game, It's okay, you we're out a

1123
01:10:13.199 --> 01:10:16.359
game piece. It's pretty quick if you're eating though, But uh,

1124
01:10:16.880 --> 01:10:19.359
you know, I think I think they had to have

1125
01:10:19.439 --> 01:10:24.600
the them playing chess and Gorn checkers whenever. That was

1126
01:10:25.920 --> 01:10:29.079
in order to to show their bonding, their their friendship

1127
01:10:29.079 --> 01:10:32.560
had grown, because otherwise, you know, the death of the

1128
01:10:32.560 --> 01:10:36.279
Gorne wouldn't have meant anything. And Eric, I was on

1129
01:10:36.319 --> 01:10:39.720
a slightly different page than you were. I thought, okay, now,

1130
01:10:39.880 --> 01:10:42.880
don't laugh, this has nothing to do with Star Trek five.

1131
01:10:42.920 --> 01:10:47.399
I know you're going to be shocked, but five things. Okay.

1132
01:10:47.720 --> 01:10:56.119
But I thought that maybe the Gorn was either Betell's baby.

1133
01:10:57.680 --> 01:11:01.640
I thought oh, they killed Gorn because the Gorn was

1134
01:11:01.640 --> 01:11:05.680
Betel's child. And I'm like, that would have been so cool.

1135
01:11:05.800 --> 01:11:08.359
She laid eggs in the quarters or something and it

1136
01:11:08.479 --> 01:11:12.119
hatched and and and the Metrons put it there and

1137
01:11:12.520 --> 01:11:14.560
they killed it before she found out that it was

1138
01:11:14.560 --> 01:11:15.880
her her child.

1139
01:11:18.039 --> 01:11:20.760
Interesting idea.

1140
01:11:21.279 --> 01:11:23.880
Well, I'm so desperate for them for this Gorn thing

1141
01:11:23.960 --> 01:11:25.000
to tell they got.

1142
01:11:24.880 --> 01:11:29.279
Some serious weed of in Vermont. Jesus Christ. That is

1143
01:11:32.560 --> 01:11:35.479
showing like a week, right, and basically like full maturity

1144
01:11:35.520 --> 01:11:36.479
in like a week or so.

1145
01:11:37.119 --> 01:11:39.840
Oh And I was thinking that the show where they

1146
01:11:40.000 --> 01:11:44.279
become she you know, the female Gorn and Bettel become roomies,

1147
01:11:44.560 --> 01:11:51.119
it could be the Gorn girls, you know.

1148
01:11:50.039 --> 01:11:50.119
The.

1149
01:11:51.800 --> 01:11:52.000
Gor.

1150
01:11:53.000 --> 01:11:56.199
We might need to show about a Gorn obstetric after this.

1151
01:11:58.119 --> 01:12:05.520
Yeah.

1152
01:12:06.760 --> 01:12:10.359
Yeah, And I forgot to talking about eating the game

1153
01:12:10.399 --> 01:12:13.680
piece where she she goes like this, and it's like,

1154
01:12:13.800 --> 01:12:16.039
oh man, you know that was good.

1155
01:12:17.720 --> 01:12:18.039
Kitty.

1156
01:12:18.319 --> 01:12:21.000
Sorry she palmed it.

1157
01:12:21.079 --> 01:12:23.600
But then did you see how she put it on

1158
01:12:23.640 --> 01:12:24.880
her shelf at the end.

1159
01:12:26.159 --> 01:12:32.880
Yeah that was yeah, she kept it pretty key, she

1160
01:12:33.000 --> 01:12:33.399
kept it.

1161
01:12:33.560 --> 01:12:40.039
Yeah. But I have to admit I talked to myself

1162
01:12:40.079 --> 01:12:43.439
when I'm doing things, so I I that part about

1163
01:12:43.439 --> 01:12:46.399
her talking to herself while she's doing stuff. That's that's

1164
01:12:46.479 --> 01:12:50.479
totally me. So yeah, there, I admitted it.

1165
01:12:52.319 --> 01:12:55.279
But I uh, I enjoyed it though. They changed the

1166
01:12:55.359 --> 01:12:57.760
metrons just a little bit because they didn't have wings.

1167
01:12:57.960 --> 01:13:01.239
Do you remember in the arena they had wings. They

1168
01:13:01.239 --> 01:13:04.560
didn't have wings wings. Yeah, they had a little flick

1169
01:13:04.600 --> 01:13:08.199
if you watch, there's a little flickery. Uh they Yeah,

1170
01:13:08.199 --> 01:13:09.239
they had they had wings.

1171
01:13:09.479 --> 01:13:11.439
They maybe had a little feet a little like you know,

1172
01:13:11.880 --> 01:13:14.920
like them type situations on their feet, but they didn't

1173
01:13:14.960 --> 01:13:16.119
have like wings as such.

1174
01:13:18.920 --> 01:13:21.520
Well not if you look, you can see the flick

1175
01:13:21.600 --> 01:13:23.680
the watch the episode on NHD.

1176
01:13:25.239 --> 01:13:27.439
Here's whate we're getting into the whole fostered stuff because

1177
01:13:27.439 --> 01:13:30.560
they add stuff and remastered that everyone's watching now is

1178
01:13:30.560 --> 01:13:32.680
supposed to do on the original series that they didn't,

1179
01:13:33.399 --> 01:13:35.159
you know, they they when they did read it all

1180
01:13:35.159 --> 01:13:37.920
the facts, they added a cock and stuff like that

1181
01:13:37.920 --> 01:13:40.760
that you know, it's not you know, that's none of

1182
01:13:40.760 --> 01:13:43.399
the stuff that was during the original airings. So just

1183
01:13:43.520 --> 01:13:46.319
putting that out there because a lot of crazy said.

1184
01:13:46.159 --> 01:13:55.359
There, So the metrons, what exactly are they like junior

1185
01:13:55.479 --> 01:14:02.479
cues or I mean, because the metrons froze time, and

1186
01:14:02.520 --> 01:14:06.960
then they told Ortegas that that uh something about altering

1187
01:14:07.840 --> 01:14:12.119
her perception of the Gorn or something to that extent.

1188
01:14:13.680 --> 01:14:15.439
So yeah, I mean there are there are a few

1189
01:14:15.720 --> 01:14:20.600
omnipotent species in you know, in Stardruk, right, It's not

1190
01:14:20.720 --> 01:14:24.640
just the queue. I mean metrons is one of them.

1191
01:14:24.680 --> 01:14:27.520
I think there was a there was another species. It

1192
01:14:27.560 --> 01:14:31.600
was like the doud or something that was another one.

1193
01:14:31.640 --> 01:14:35.399
Then you've got the species like the you know, even

1194
01:14:35.399 --> 01:14:37.600
an encounter at far point, the big jellyfish who can

1195
01:14:37.640 --> 01:14:40.159
make things appear out of nowhere. I mean, not quite omnipotent,

1196
01:14:40.239 --> 01:14:40.720
but like.

1197
01:14:41.000 --> 01:14:44.119
Yeah, read people's thoughts and then create it. Like Beverly

1198
01:14:44.199 --> 01:14:47.960
with the have some fabric or something and they had

1199
01:14:48.000 --> 01:14:49.560
it or something something.

1200
01:14:49.640 --> 01:14:51.880
Yeah, She's like, oh, if it only had a pattern,

1201
01:14:51.920 --> 01:14:52.920
and then all of a sudden it did.

1202
01:14:53.439 --> 01:14:57.840
Yeah. By the only one that feels like sometimes like

1203
01:14:57.840 --> 01:15:00.920
in the real world, that we're in a terrarium and

1204
01:15:01.039 --> 01:15:04.199
we've got the metrons that are just messing with us.

1205
01:15:05.239 --> 01:15:06.640
That's all I thought.

1206
01:15:06.800 --> 01:15:08.960
Yes, yeah, okay, when.

1207
01:15:08.760 --> 01:15:12.760
The Metron says that that makes that line about altering

1208
01:15:12.880 --> 01:15:17.279
your perception of the Gorn, it made me think. The

1209
01:15:17.319 --> 01:15:20.960
first thing I thought was that ancient hissing Gorn in

1210
01:15:21.000 --> 01:15:23.800
the rubber suit that we talked with Andy Bray about

1211
01:15:23.840 --> 01:15:28.760
that was on aarp, that Gorn that Kirk fights. I

1212
01:15:28.760 --> 01:15:32.640
immediately thought to myself that Gorn is a is an

1213
01:15:32.680 --> 01:15:36.359
altered perception of the Gorn to give Kirk something that

1214
01:15:36.399 --> 01:15:39.239
he could easily relate to, And that's why that Gorn

1215
01:15:39.239 --> 01:15:44.119
looked that way versus the Gorn that Ortegas is stuck with,

1216
01:15:44.199 --> 01:15:47.439
which is the actual Gorn? And that that was kind

1217
01:15:47.439 --> 01:15:49.840
of the where my brain went as soon as the

1218
01:15:49.840 --> 01:15:54.279
Gorn said that they altered your perception of the Gorn.

1219
01:15:54.960 --> 01:15:57.399
But yeah, they didn't actually say that in the episode,

1220
01:15:57.439 --> 01:15:58.520
but can we.

1221
01:15:58.479 --> 01:16:02.199
Get props to range New Worlds for their I think

1222
01:16:02.239 --> 01:16:10.680
their effects are fantastic because yeah, the Gorn was and

1223
01:16:10.800 --> 01:16:13.399
I don't I don't know exactly what the you know,

1224
01:16:13.479 --> 01:16:18.680
percentages were of because the head was was clearly you know,

1225
01:16:18.920 --> 01:16:22.600
cgi or whatever they did, but the like the hands,

1226
01:16:22.680 --> 01:16:25.439
you know, the body was there was somebody I guess

1227
01:16:25.479 --> 01:16:30.359
in a Gorn suit, but the whole planet, the lighting,

1228
01:16:30.399 --> 01:16:34.720
the planet on fire, everything, and like Eric said, with

1229
01:16:34.840 --> 01:16:40.439
the Metron, the voice changing back and forth and whoever

1230
01:16:40.479 --> 01:16:43.800
they got, maybe we can get that that person to

1231
01:16:43.840 --> 01:16:48.359
be on the show, because talk about an ethereal fascinating

1232
01:16:48.439 --> 01:16:53.399
looking individual. Just I thought, very very cool. Just you know,

1233
01:16:53.520 --> 01:16:56.159
stop messing with us. We're done already.

1234
01:16:58.279 --> 01:17:02.239
So overall, I enjoyed the episode. I think my Truck

1235
01:17:02.279 --> 01:17:05.239
Spurts touched on a lot of the topics, so there's

1236
01:17:05.239 --> 01:17:08.760
no point in rehashing them. I liked it, and I

1237
01:17:08.760 --> 01:17:11.439
think I'm gonna go with a nine for my score

1238
01:17:11.479 --> 01:17:16.560
on this one overall. So that's it. That's our our

1239
01:17:16.600 --> 01:17:20.760
Truck Spurts score. So Charles, how do we line up

1240
01:17:20.800 --> 01:17:21.960
with Dominions?

1241
01:17:26.279 --> 01:17:31.279
Okay, we're a little closer this time. Dominions given eight

1242
01:17:31.319 --> 01:17:35.720
point six, the Truck Spurts given eight point eight.

1243
01:17:38.319 --> 01:17:44.079
Wow, couldn't be much closer, could it? Solid? Nope, that's

1244
01:17:44.079 --> 01:17:47.800
a solid score, all right, guys. So that wraps up

1245
01:17:47.840 --> 01:17:51.600
our review of Star Treks Strange New World Season three,

1246
01:17:51.800 --> 01:17:55.720
episode nine, And now it's time to move into our

1247
01:17:55.920 --> 01:18:00.079
Star Trek birthdays, which means we have to play the birthday.

1248
01:17:59.720 --> 01:18:20.319
Song that was not a clemon song.

1249
01:18:21.000 --> 01:18:24.000
Okay, we always start out our Star Trek birthdays by

1250
01:18:24.119 --> 01:18:26.800
sadly enough remembering those members of our Star Trek family

1251
01:18:27.079 --> 01:18:29.680
who are no longer with us, and for that we

1252
01:18:29.800 --> 01:18:30.520
turned to Eric.

1253
01:18:31.680 --> 01:18:35.039
We're going to start this week with remembering actor Rod Errence,

1254
01:18:35.399 --> 01:18:37.680
the actor who played Rex in Star Trek the Next

1255
01:18:37.720 --> 01:18:42.159
Generation second season episode Manhunt and Daileth in Star Trek

1256
01:18:42.199 --> 01:18:46.920
Voyagers four season episode Living Witness, a fantastic Voyager episode.

1257
01:18:46.960 --> 01:18:48.760
If you haven't seen it for a while, you should

1258
01:18:48.760 --> 01:18:52.000
go check it out again. Rod was often known as

1259
01:18:52.359 --> 01:18:55.680
for his many portrayals in the soaps in the seventies

1260
01:18:55.760 --> 01:18:58.600
and eighties, So happy birthday to Rod Erance. Lost back

1261
01:18:58.600 --> 01:19:03.800
in twenty twenty one, Happy birthday to Alice Andrecy, the

1262
01:19:03.840 --> 01:19:07.079
actress who was credited with having portrayed the Alice series

1263
01:19:07.119 --> 01:19:12.279
of Androids, and her sister Ray Andreas, another actress who

1264
01:19:12.359 --> 01:19:16.720
played the Alice series of Androids. These are, of course,

1265
01:19:16.760 --> 01:19:21.800
from the original series second season episode I Mud. Ray

1266
01:19:22.279 --> 01:19:27.479
also guest starred in Bonanza. Actually they both did. Turns

1267
01:19:27.479 --> 01:19:31.119
out they needed twinsies in Bonanza as well. They were

1268
01:19:31.159 --> 01:19:34.079
also both singers in a jazz pop group called the

1269
01:19:34.159 --> 01:19:39.199
Sound of Feeling. So Alice and Ray Andrec Happy birthday

1270
01:19:39.199 --> 01:19:43.880
to both of you as well. Happy birthday to Bruce Gray,

1271
01:19:44.000 --> 01:19:48.000
the actor who played Admiral Chacote, Yes the original spelled

1272
01:19:48.000 --> 01:19:51.680
slightly differently from Deep Space nine second season episode The

1273
01:19:51.760 --> 01:19:55.479
Circle and Star Trek The Next Generation seven season episode

1274
01:19:55.560 --> 01:19:59.840
Gambit Part One. He also played Surak in enterprises for

1275
01:20:00.079 --> 01:20:06.079
season episode Awakening, Yes the Sarrak. He was Canadian and

1276
01:20:06.199 --> 01:20:08.279
was on a bunch of Canadian TV. That's where you

1277
01:20:08.279 --> 01:20:11.399
could would actually find him. He was also the father

1278
01:20:11.439 --> 01:20:13.079
of the groom in My Big Fat Greek Wedding of

1279
01:20:13.199 --> 01:20:16.720
Fantastic movie. As far as concern Bruce Gray, Happy birthday

1280
01:20:16.720 --> 01:20:19.279
to you, aged eighty one years old back in twenty

1281
01:20:19.319 --> 01:20:23.159
seventeen when we lost him. Happy birthday to Byron Morrow,

1282
01:20:23.279 --> 01:20:26.800
the veteran actor who played Admiral Komak in the TOS

1283
01:20:26.800 --> 01:20:31.399
second season episode A Monk Time and Admiral Westervliet in

1284
01:20:31.479 --> 01:20:33.960
the third season episode for the World Is Hollow and

1285
01:20:34.000 --> 01:20:37.039
I Have Touched the Sky. The longest episode name ever,

1286
01:20:37.359 --> 01:20:39.720
but not a bad episode. He was the first ever

1287
01:20:39.800 --> 01:20:44.399
actor on Strak Trek to appear as an admiral. There's

1288
01:20:44.439 --> 01:20:47.319
a little bit of trivia for you, Byron Morrow, lost

1289
01:20:47.319 --> 01:20:49.159
back in two thousand and six. This man lived to

1290
01:20:49.199 --> 01:20:53.199
be ninety four years old. Happy birthday to Byron. Happy

1291
01:20:53.199 --> 01:20:55.760
birthday as well to Richard Webb, the actor who played

1292
01:20:55.760 --> 01:21:00.720
Lieutenant Commander Benjamin Finney in the TOS first season episode Marshall.

1293
01:21:01.560 --> 01:21:04.840
Happy birthday, as well to Charles deer Coop, the actor

1294
01:21:04.840 --> 01:21:08.800
who played more Law in the TOS second season episode

1295
01:21:09.279 --> 01:21:14.000
Wolf in the Fold. Happy birthday to John Cowell, who

1296
01:21:14.039 --> 01:21:18.359
played herm gossipt in the TOS first season episode MUD's

1297
01:21:18.399 --> 01:21:23.399
Women Speaking of Henry Harry Mud. And Happy birthday to

1298
01:21:23.479 --> 01:21:27.039
Nick Ramos, the Native American actor from Seattle, Washington who

1299
01:21:27.039 --> 01:21:31.920
appeared as the Effrosian Helme, officer of the USS Saratoga

1300
01:21:31.960 --> 01:21:35.039
in Star Trek four, The Voyage Home. Ramus was the

1301
01:21:35.079 --> 01:21:39.039
star of the first Native American language film, Windwalker from

1302
01:21:39.159 --> 01:21:43.239
nineteen eighty and last, but not least, we say happy

1303
01:21:43.279 --> 01:21:47.640
birthday to Robert Wise, the director and acting executive producer

1304
01:21:48.079 --> 01:21:51.640
of the nineteen seventy nine film Star Trek, the Motion Picture.

1305
01:21:52.199 --> 01:21:55.840
He received his sole Saturn Award nomination as Best Director

1306
01:21:55.880 --> 01:21:59.680
for this film. He was also well. He was brought

1307
01:21:59.680 --> 01:22:03.479
in the studio by CEO Michael Eisner at the time

1308
01:22:04.000 --> 01:22:09.039
and Jeffrey Katzenberg early on in nineteen seventy eight after

1309
01:22:09.600 --> 01:22:13.439
the television project Star Trek Phase two was graded to

1310
01:22:13.560 --> 01:22:18.199
a full blown theatrical movie production. He replaced the original director,

1311
01:22:18.279 --> 01:22:21.439
Robert Collins, of course, and there's a bunch of cool

1312
01:22:21.479 --> 01:22:25.439
information about his involvement in the movie. I'll just say

1313
01:22:25.479 --> 01:22:28.119
that when he came aboard, he brought in several key

1314
01:22:28.159 --> 01:22:31.359
staffers with whom he had regularly worked previously, most notable

1315
01:22:31.800 --> 01:22:36.600
on the Andromeda Strain, and whom he trusted implicitly. These

1316
01:22:36.600 --> 01:22:40.560
included people like the director of photography Richard Klein, costumer

1317
01:22:40.680 --> 01:22:48.760
Robert Fletcher, production designer Harold Michaelson, and production illustrator Maurice Zuberano.

1318
01:22:50.239 --> 01:22:52.640
Thank you so much, Robert Wise for helping us get

1319
01:22:52.720 --> 01:22:55.640
the movie we deserved. I love Star Trek the motion picture,

1320
01:22:55.880 --> 01:22:58.520
and I just think it's fantastic and as long as

1321
01:22:58.560 --> 01:23:01.960
you can handle the pacing, I recommend everybody watched this movie.

1322
01:23:02.520 --> 01:23:04.640
We lost Robert back in two thousand and five at

1323
01:23:04.680 --> 01:23:08.840
the age of ninety one years old. Anybody else have

1324
01:23:08.880 --> 01:23:10.199
anything to say about Robert Wise?

1325
01:23:12.079 --> 01:23:14.680
Was it great movie that I remember seeing it in

1326
01:23:14.720 --> 01:23:19.319
the movie theaters probably three or four times, so the

1327
01:23:19.359 --> 01:23:22.039
only thing I didn't like were the costumes. But other

1328
01:23:22.119 --> 01:23:23.199
than that great movie.

1329
01:23:24.760 --> 01:23:25.800
Yeah, so you like that.

1330
01:23:26.159 --> 01:23:28.560
I just watched it. I just watched it today, matter

1331
01:23:28.600 --> 01:23:32.359
of fact, because I love the Klingon sequence in the beginning. Yes,

1332
01:23:34.640 --> 01:23:37.119
I just watched it today in honor of Robert Wise.

1333
01:23:38.119 --> 01:23:40.760
Pretty awesome. He's got Ties to the Sound of Music too,

1334
01:23:40.800 --> 01:23:42.239
which is also a fantastic movie.

1335
01:23:43.680 --> 01:23:46.399
I think the Motion picture is a highly underrated movie.

1336
01:23:46.479 --> 01:23:50.640
It reeks of Star Trek when you watch it. It's

1337
01:23:50.640 --> 01:23:54.680
a Star Trek at the core. And the Klingons look great.

1338
01:23:54.840 --> 01:23:57.920
The battle cruises look great, the Klingon attack music looks great.

1339
01:23:58.760 --> 01:23:59.840
Not as good as Star Treks.

1340
01:24:00.119 --> 01:24:07.439
But quick question.

1341
01:24:07.760 --> 01:24:10.000
I was going to say, I have a book that

1342
01:24:10.079 --> 01:24:15.279
Walter Kane wrote about the making of Star Trek the

1343
01:24:15.319 --> 01:24:19.479
Motion Picture, So that was actually he's actually ah, it's

1344
01:24:19.479 --> 01:24:23.319
a good read, some interesting behind the scenes type of stuff.

1345
01:24:23.399 --> 01:24:29.560
So mm hmmm. I think we interrupted, Paul.

1346
01:24:29.920 --> 01:24:33.199
Sorry, no, I just wanted can you hear me? Okay,

1347
01:24:33.319 --> 01:24:35.520
I'm still a little uncertain about my audience.

1348
01:24:35.520 --> 01:24:37.880
Oh shoot, we are having a hard time hearing you now, Paul.

1349
01:24:37.960 --> 01:24:42.359
Let's let's going on here.

1350
01:24:43.079 --> 01:24:45.279
Okay, we got him?

1351
01:24:45.520 --> 01:24:48.520
Can you hear me? Can you hear me?

1352
01:24:48.560 --> 01:24:50.279
We got him?

1353
01:24:50.520 --> 01:24:51.680
Doesn't sound like you can hear me.

1354
01:24:52.159 --> 01:24:53.840
Yeah, I can now, Oh you can't.

1355
01:24:57.560 --> 01:25:00.079
Well, it doesn't seem like it's like it's working a

1356
01:25:00.159 --> 01:25:00.479
little bit.

1357
01:25:00.479 --> 01:25:06.880
We can't go ahead, all right, all right, let's move.

1358
01:25:06.760 --> 01:25:10.960
On, all right, take it away.

1359
01:25:11.760 --> 01:25:17.319
Happy birthday to Michael Horton, actors have played Daniels in

1360
01:25:17.399 --> 01:25:22.600
Star Trek First Contact and Star Trek Insurrection, and Covid

1361
01:25:22.760 --> 01:25:27.239
in Voyager's fourth season episode Retrospect.

1362
01:25:28.840 --> 01:25:29.119
Heavy.

1363
01:25:29.159 --> 01:25:34.880
Birthday to William Ute, actorly played the Vulcan captain Bennick

1364
01:25:35.520 --> 01:25:39.239
in Star Trek Enterprises first season episode Breaking the Ice

1365
01:25:41.600 --> 01:25:45.960
Hady birthday David Lee Smith, actress who played Sahar in

1366
01:25:46.079 --> 01:25:54.800
Voyager's third season episode Darkling Heavy Birthday, Julia Nixon, actress

1367
01:25:54.840 --> 01:26:01.359
who played Lena Tissen and tg his first season episode

1368
01:26:01.760 --> 01:26:06.039
It's the Arsenal of Freedom. And cassandraing DS nine second

1369
01:26:06.039 --> 01:26:13.800
season episode Paradise. Haveby birthday to Harry Trentaway, English actress

1370
01:26:13.800 --> 01:26:18.840
who played Nrik in the first season of Bercard. Haveby

1371
01:26:18.920 --> 01:26:26.479
birthday to Julie Gleeson, actress who portrayed Sandreing in voyagers

1372
01:26:26.520 --> 01:26:30.279
first and second season episode So a Cloud and Twisted

1373
01:26:32.640 --> 01:26:35.680
and Definitely One for Me. Very Favy a Birthday to

1374
01:26:35.760 --> 01:26:41.560
Corbin Bernstein, actress who played Q two in TG's third

1375
01:26:41.600 --> 01:26:46.520
season episode deja Q. And as I've mentioned before, if

1376
01:26:46.560 --> 01:26:49.319
you really want to get a good panel, get Que

1377
01:26:49.600 --> 01:26:53.880
and Q two on stage at the same time. Those

1378
01:26:53.880 --> 01:26:56.520
two work off each other very well and are very

1379
01:26:56.520 --> 01:27:00.880
fun to see together. Oh on your list.

1380
01:27:03.960 --> 01:27:07.119
Okay, I'll try this one time. Can you hear me? Okay, yep,

1381
01:27:07.199 --> 01:27:12.079
absolutely all right. That's that's lovely. So happy birthday goes

1382
01:27:12.079 --> 01:27:15.720
out to keone j E Young, Hawaiian born actor who

1383
01:27:15.760 --> 01:27:18.880
played the role of Buck Bocai in the Deep Space

1384
01:27:19.039 --> 01:27:23.960
nine first season episode If Wishes Were Horses. He later

1385
01:27:24.000 --> 01:27:27.359
appeared as mister Sato in the Enterprise second season episode

1386
01:27:27.960 --> 01:27:32.520
Vanishing Point. Happy Birthday to Karrie Shane, actress who played

1387
01:27:32.520 --> 01:27:36.239
the role of Ellon in the Voyager third season episode

1388
01:27:36.479 --> 01:27:40.159
Favorite Son. And here's one I think that deserves a

1389
01:27:40.199 --> 01:27:42.840
lot of notice. It's a happy Birthday goes out to

1390
01:27:42.880 --> 01:27:49.039
Patty Yasatake, actress who portrayed Alyssa Ogawa in sixteen episodes

1391
01:27:49.079 --> 01:27:53.359
of the Next Generation and two Star Trek films, Both

1392
01:27:53.399 --> 01:27:58.399
Generations and First Contact, adding a real welcome dose of

1393
01:27:58.520 --> 01:28:03.560
humanity and accessibility. In her appearances. So well done, and

1394
01:28:03.600 --> 01:28:07.479
Happy birthday, Patty, Yesataki. Happy birthday to Harry Greener, a

1395
01:28:07.680 --> 01:28:11.359
German born American actor who played tam Elbroun in the

1396
01:28:11.399 --> 01:28:16.159
third season episode ten Man also played the Nachaani magistrate

1397
01:28:16.239 --> 01:28:20.720
in Voyager's third season episode Sacred Ground and Minister Nathan

1398
01:28:20.800 --> 01:28:25.199
Samuels in Enterprise fourth season episodes Demons and Tara Prime.

1399
01:28:25.920 --> 01:28:28.640
Are those good Voyager episodes?

1400
01:28:29.680 --> 01:28:34.199
Eric, That Voyager episode is great, and these Enterprise episodes

1401
01:28:34.239 --> 01:28:35.039
are some of the best.

1402
01:28:35.319 --> 01:28:39.199
No, I always like to check in. Happy birthday to

1403
01:28:39.359 --> 01:28:42.800
the great Idris Elba, actor who played Krawl in Star

1404
01:28:42.880 --> 01:28:48.880
Trek Beyond surprising what they let him get do in

1405
01:28:48.880 --> 01:28:50.680
that film, so I wish they had let him do

1406
01:28:50.800 --> 01:28:52.880
more surprisingly what they didn't let him do with I

1407
01:28:52.920 --> 01:28:57.000
think I should say. And happy birthday, Yes, dude, you

1408
01:28:57.119 --> 01:29:00.680
now have your own action figure to the great Jeffrey Combs.

1409
01:29:01.479 --> 01:29:06.479
Activized the distinction of portraying nine different characters on four

1410
01:29:06.600 --> 01:29:10.119
different Star Trek television series, most notably those of Brunt

1411
01:29:10.199 --> 01:29:15.800
and the villainous Wayun's on Deep Space Nine. Also, Thighlek

1412
01:29:15.880 --> 01:29:20.640
Shran on Enterprise voiced Agamus in Star Trek lower Decks

1413
01:29:20.680 --> 01:29:26.159
episodes where pleasant fountains lie, a mathematically perfect redemption and

1414
01:29:26.199 --> 01:29:30.079
a few badgies. More so, all kinds of stuff. Get

1415
01:29:30.119 --> 01:29:33.960
those paychecks, Jeffrey Combs, get them. Why you can? We

1416
01:29:34.079 --> 01:29:37.720
certainly admire you, and I'll pass it off to Uncle

1417
01:29:37.800 --> 01:29:38.720
Jim to continue.

1418
01:29:40.239 --> 01:29:42.720
Thank you so much, Paul. I like to save the

1419
01:29:42.760 --> 01:29:47.359
Klingons for myself, so let's let's let's do it. We

1420
01:29:47.399 --> 01:29:51.479
want to say capla to Andrew Jackson. He's the actor

1421
01:29:51.479 --> 01:29:54.479
who played Captain to Jock in the Star Treks Strange

1422
01:29:54.479 --> 01:29:57.880
New World second season episode The Broken Circle. He's the

1423
01:29:57.960 --> 01:30:01.039
dude that drank blood wine with Miss Spock in case

1424
01:30:01.079 --> 01:30:05.600
you guys don't remember, and mister Spock drank the Klingons

1425
01:30:05.640 --> 01:30:08.399
under the table because blood wine has no effect on Vulcan.

1426
01:30:08.520 --> 01:30:13.359
So happy birthday to Andrew Jackson. We also want to

1427
01:30:13.399 --> 01:30:17.640
say coupla to Charles Estin. He's the actor and singer

1428
01:30:17.640 --> 01:30:20.680
who played Devoc in Star Trek the Next Generation six

1429
01:30:20.720 --> 01:30:24.359
season episode Rightful Air, and he also appeared as the

1430
01:30:24.479 --> 01:30:28.399
Daithon Alarias in the Star Trek Voyager third season episode

1431
01:30:28.920 --> 01:30:34.840
Remember and Last on my List, we want to say

1432
01:30:35.119 --> 01:30:40.880
coupla to Roxande Dawson, who appeared on Voyager as Roxane

1433
01:30:41.000 --> 01:30:46.159
Biggs Dawson. She's the actress best known for portraying Lieutenant

1434
01:30:46.359 --> 01:30:50.560
Belana Taurus on Star Trek Voyager. She was initially credited

1435
01:30:50.560 --> 01:30:54.640
as Roxane Biggs Dawson. She also directed two episodes of

1436
01:30:54.760 --> 01:31:01.840
Voyager and ten that's right, ten episodes of Star Trek Enterprise.

1437
01:31:02.800 --> 01:31:06.760
And that my friends, wraps up our Star Trek birthdays.

1438
01:31:07.000 --> 01:31:11.079
Tune in next week for more fun. And as I said,

1439
01:31:11.359 --> 01:31:15.319
we are going to forego our Star Trek news, but

1440
01:31:15.439 --> 01:31:16.920
I am going to play the clips so that v

1441
01:31:17.039 --> 01:31:22.079
can get situated and get ready and yeah, and we're

1442
01:31:22.079 --> 01:31:26.119
going to have a vsare her experiences at Star Trek,

1443
01:31:26.319 --> 01:31:28.279
New Jersey.

1444
01:31:28.680 --> 01:31:32.760
She was married to Casey Biggs, who played Damar on

1445
01:31:33.000 --> 01:31:36.399
DS nine. So why she did the Biggs Dawson instead

1446
01:31:36.399 --> 01:31:40.840
of Biggs, I don't know, but anyway, so that was

1447
01:31:40.880 --> 01:31:44.079
her brief. I think they were married two years.

1448
01:31:44.079 --> 01:31:50.039
But anyway, and here we go, guys, I already one

1449
01:31:50.119 --> 01:31:52.920
message from Starfleet coming in on secure channel.

1450
01:31:53.880 --> 01:31:59.479
Incoming transmission enter authorization code, command codes verified.

1451
01:32:00.479 --> 01:32:06.600
A fine parameters of program level nine authorization required specify parameters.

1452
01:32:08.000 --> 01:32:10.159
Transfer updata is complete.

1453
01:32:10.439 --> 01:32:17.039
Alert alarn Okay, I have actually have no show notes

1454
01:32:17.079 --> 01:32:19.600
on this section at all. V and David worked this

1455
01:32:19.800 --> 01:32:23.000
all out on their own. So I'm going to pass

1456
01:32:23.039 --> 01:32:26.760
the microphone over to V and she can run wild

1457
01:32:26.880 --> 01:32:29.039
with it. Okay, take it away.

1458
01:32:29.119 --> 01:32:32.000
If I can read my notes that I scribbled down.

1459
01:32:32.039 --> 01:32:36.319
I was trying to put them into official computer form,

1460
01:32:36.399 --> 01:32:39.720
but it didn't work out. But no, I went to

1461
01:32:40.720 --> 01:32:44.520
I went out of state to see to go to

1462
01:32:44.600 --> 01:32:50.159
a wonderful convention run by Creation Entertainment. It was called

1463
01:32:50.239 --> 01:32:55.239
Trek to New Jersey and it was in Whippany, New

1464
01:32:55.359 --> 01:32:59.479
Jersey at the lovely Marriott Hotel. And I have to

1465
01:32:59.520 --> 01:33:03.359
say that, except for a few little bumps here and there,

1466
01:33:03.479 --> 01:33:11.119
they did a great job putting on this con. It's

1467
01:33:11.199 --> 01:33:13.880
compared to the first con that I had been to

1468
01:33:13.960 --> 01:33:18.199
in forever, which was Galaxy Con in early March, which

1469
01:33:18.279 --> 01:33:23.039
was overwhelming. There were so many people there. The vendor

1470
01:33:23.119 --> 01:33:26.439
room was enormous. I was quite overwhelmed. This one was

1471
01:33:26.479 --> 01:33:30.159
a lot smaller, but they said they only sell so

1472
01:33:30.239 --> 01:33:32.760
many tickets so that people do have a chance to

1473
01:33:33.720 --> 01:33:38.319
see things. Everything was close together. The staff was amazing

1474
01:33:39.039 --> 01:33:42.520
in helping because I got a little bit confused with

1475
01:33:42.680 --> 01:33:47.079
their with the schedule the app, I will say, I'm

1476
01:33:47.119 --> 01:33:51.520
sorry creation your app sucks, but I think everybody knew that.

1477
01:33:53.279 --> 01:34:00.199
So the highlights, well, I got there Friday, you read, sir.

1478
01:34:00.359 --> 01:34:04.079
There wasn't really anything to do except they did have

1479
01:34:04.159 --> 01:34:09.279
a welcome concert by Bonnie Gordon, which I had never

1480
01:34:09.319 --> 01:34:12.920
heard of her before, but she's an awesome lady. She

1481
01:34:13.159 --> 01:34:17.199
voiced the computer in what was it? Prodigy Pat, I

1482
01:34:17.199 --> 01:34:21.439
can't even say it prodigy. She's also, I mean, she's

1483
01:34:21.520 --> 01:34:26.359
a great singer and she's likes to do a She

1484
01:34:26.520 --> 01:34:29.760
likes to do the in the vein of Tom, you know,

1485
01:34:29.840 --> 01:34:35.199
the late great Tom Larr parody songs. So we got

1486
01:34:35.199 --> 01:34:40.159
to hear that. Uh. Saturday, there was so much going on.

1487
01:34:40.560 --> 01:34:43.319
Uh it was I tried to do everything at once,

1488
01:34:43.399 --> 01:34:48.399
which you know you can't. But I saw that, you know,

1489
01:34:48.439 --> 01:34:54.479
they had the standard panels. Celia Rose Gooding from you know, Uhura.

1490
01:34:55.119 --> 01:34:57.960
I got to talk to her briefly, but in her

1491
01:34:58.079 --> 01:35:01.800
panel I learned for since that this was her first

1492
01:35:02.560 --> 01:35:05.720
major role. She's a theater you know, grew up a

1493
01:35:05.760 --> 01:35:09.680
theater kid. Loves to sing, which is why she had

1494
01:35:09.720 --> 01:35:16.239
such a great time on Subspace Rhapsody. And the interesting

1495
01:35:16.279 --> 01:35:20.000
thing was when they had the Q and A, somebody

1496
01:35:20.039 --> 01:35:22.439
asked her if they were going to be anymore singing

1497
01:35:23.680 --> 01:35:26.560
a Strange New World's episode. She said, I can neither

1498
01:35:26.680 --> 01:35:35.279
confirm nor deny that there might be some singing. The highlight,

1499
01:35:35.600 --> 01:35:40.600
of course, was to meet Kate Mountgrew, and she wasn't

1500
01:35:40.640 --> 01:35:44.560
there until Sunday. She and Chatner came in on Sunday.

1501
01:35:44.640 --> 01:35:48.560
But Kate I had been wanting to meet for a

1502
01:35:48.600 --> 01:35:54.319
long time. I had made a long story short and

1503
01:35:54.520 --> 01:35:59.319
eighteenth century version of the Arachnia gown that she wears

1504
01:35:59.600 --> 01:36:05.720
in the Captain Proton Holidack episodes, and so it was

1505
01:36:05.760 --> 01:36:08.920
the goal. Took only what I think five years for

1506
01:36:08.960 --> 01:36:11.640
me to be able to wear it and meet her.

1507
01:36:12.000 --> 01:36:16.640
And when we had the photo op, which of course,

1508
01:36:16.960 --> 01:36:20.239
as you know, those are like two seconds, but I'm

1509
01:36:20.239 --> 01:36:23.159
coming up to her and she's saying, oh my, you know,

1510
01:36:23.199 --> 01:36:25.920
something like because inside my head I had like this,

1511
01:36:26.600 --> 01:36:28.640
you know, screaming, It's like, oh my god, Oh my god,

1512
01:36:28.680 --> 01:36:32.680
it's Kate Moulcrew. And she said, oh, you know, what's this?

1513
01:36:32.760 --> 01:36:37.600
And I said, eighteenth century Arachnea and she said, well done.

1514
01:36:38.159 --> 01:36:42.840
I wound up winning third place in the cosplay contest

1515
01:36:42.920 --> 01:36:47.520
on Saturday. I was beat out by first prize went

1516
01:36:47.600 --> 01:36:54.960
to these two Vulcan I guess guards that had a

1517
01:36:55.079 --> 01:37:00.800
very clever mannequin of a Vulcan priestess. They're carrying in

1518
01:37:00.920 --> 01:37:04.600
a sedan chair, so they won first place. Second place

1519
01:37:04.760 --> 01:37:09.319
was a lovely couple that were Riker and Troy from

1520
01:37:09.720 --> 01:37:14.079
the Marry Universe, and then I got third place, so

1521
01:37:14.399 --> 01:37:22.199
that wasn't bad for my first cosplay. Let's see Shatner

1522
01:37:22.840 --> 01:37:25.000
since this was the second time I've seen him. I

1523
01:37:25.000 --> 01:37:28.520
saw him at Galaxy Con. I learned that he likes

1524
01:37:28.600 --> 01:37:35.479
to ramble, I mean, elaborate when he's doing his his

1525
01:37:36.119 --> 01:37:40.159
you know one band panel. I got in line to

1526
01:37:40.279 --> 01:37:45.560
ask a question, mainly to tell him, uh in honor

1527
01:37:45.760 --> 01:37:49.399
you know of Uncle Jim, tell him about how Uncle

1528
01:37:49.479 --> 01:37:52.039
Jim loves Star Trek five and it's the best Star

1529
01:37:52.079 --> 01:37:55.119
Trek movie with the best director. But I also wanted

1530
01:37:55.159 --> 01:37:58.079
to tell him that, you know, we do this podcast

1531
01:37:58.159 --> 01:38:02.920
and we have the section called Shatner says what, because

1532
01:38:02.920 --> 01:38:06.720
I think he would have gotten a kick out of it. However,

1533
01:38:08.000 --> 01:38:12.000
I had one person ahead of me when we were

1534
01:38:12.039 --> 01:38:14.439
told the question line was cut off, and I was

1535
01:38:14.479 --> 01:38:17.800
just I was so mad. But had he not shared

1536
01:38:19.199 --> 01:38:25.239
the story that was TMI about getting food poisoning the

1537
01:38:25.359 --> 01:38:28.319
night before he did a one man show. Because I

1538
01:38:28.359 --> 01:38:31.399
did not need to hear about Shatner being in the

1539
01:38:31.439 --> 01:38:38.399
bathroom doing whatever before, during, and after the show, I

1540
01:38:38.439 --> 01:38:44.239
could have, you know, told him about about the podcast

1541
01:38:44.319 --> 01:38:49.039
and mainly mainly thank him for doing the thing about

1542
01:38:49.079 --> 01:38:56.239
the Tonight's quest. Got to meet Tim Russ Saturday night.

1543
01:38:56.319 --> 01:39:01.840
He had his wonderful band playing and afterwards I went

1544
01:39:01.960 --> 01:39:04.479
up and told him, you know that I'm with trick

1545
01:39:04.560 --> 01:39:07.520
talking and he had nothing but nice things to say

1546
01:39:07.880 --> 01:39:14.640
about you. Also, but on his panel he was he

1547
01:39:14.840 --> 01:39:19.279
was hilarious. He told a story Apparently Kate Mulgrew likes

1548
01:39:19.319 --> 01:39:23.399
to they all like to do pranks. But uh, there

1549
01:39:23.439 --> 01:39:25.640
was one time, and I forget which show it was,

1550
01:39:25.760 --> 01:39:29.520
where he came back to his dressing room and all

1551
01:39:29.960 --> 01:39:32.920
all his clothes were gone at the end of the day,

1552
01:39:33.079 --> 01:39:38.159
so he had nothing to go home in somehow found

1553
01:39:38.199 --> 01:39:42.119
out that Kate had moved them to her trailer. Well

1554
01:39:42.159 --> 01:39:46.039
she had gone for the day. So what he did

1555
01:39:46.119 --> 01:39:52.000
he got ahold of a polaroid camera and took had

1556
01:39:52.039 --> 01:39:58.560
somebody take pictures of his naked bum and posted put

1557
01:39:58.760 --> 01:40:02.760
like stuck them all over her trailer. So I never

1558
01:40:02.840 --> 01:40:06.560
did find out what happened to those polaroids, but that

1559
01:40:06.560 --> 01:40:12.800
that was that was pretty funny. Let's see, I got

1560
01:40:12.840 --> 01:40:16.680
to meet Let's see, I got to meet both taxes,

1561
01:40:17.479 --> 01:40:22.239
uh so, Terry Farrell, Terry Ferrell sorry, Nicole Debouer and

1562
01:40:22.680 --> 01:40:28.399
Major Kira herself Nana visitor, and those ladies were absolutely lovely.

1563
01:40:30.159 --> 01:40:34.279
I got to interact with them more than some of

1564
01:40:34.319 --> 01:40:37.640
the other stars. But I will have to say that

1565
01:40:37.840 --> 01:40:42.000
out of everybody I met, Doug Jones was absolutely the

1566
01:40:42.079 --> 01:40:45.439
nicest guy. You'll see. You'll see the pictures here in

1567
01:40:45.479 --> 01:40:48.079
a little bit. He really is one of the nicest

1568
01:40:48.079 --> 01:40:51.840
people in showbiz. Even though I admitted that I had

1569
01:40:51.880 --> 01:40:58.000
not seen him as Saru in Discovery, I know him

1570
01:40:58.079 --> 01:41:01.039
from pocus Pocus as Billy Butcherson.

1571
01:41:02.079 --> 01:41:07.079
But let's see, Zee, yes, v let me ask you.

1572
01:41:07.159 --> 01:41:08.279
Did he give you a hug?

1573
01:41:08.680 --> 01:41:12.680
Oh? Absolutely, he gave me several hugs and when he

1574
01:41:12.840 --> 01:41:14.359
was yeah.

1575
01:41:14.159 --> 01:41:15.199
He gives great hugs.

1576
01:41:15.600 --> 01:41:19.720
He does, he does. And the thing that wasn't and

1577
01:41:19.760 --> 01:41:22.399
I got when I was we were doing the selfies.

1578
01:41:23.000 --> 01:41:26.640
He grabbed my hand at hands and he just stared

1579
01:41:26.680 --> 01:41:29.079
at me and I thought, oh my god, he's like

1580
01:41:29.439 --> 01:41:33.079
he's like six', four you, know he's very. Tall i'm five,

1581
01:41:33.239 --> 01:41:37.920
seven so but he just, said you have the most beautiful.

1582
01:41:37.960 --> 01:41:40.479
Eyes AND i just, went you, know right there in

1583
01:41:40.479 --> 01:41:43.560
front OF i just went, ah AND i said thank

1584
01:41:43.600 --> 01:41:47.479
you because that was such a sweet thing for him to.

1585
01:41:47.520 --> 01:41:52.239
Do and every time he saw me he, said, hello, Love,

1586
01:41:52.279 --> 01:41:55.600
hello Beautiful. Hello you, know it's, like too bad he's

1587
01:41:56.159 --> 01:42:01.319
been happily married to his college sweetheart since it's nineteen eighty.

1588
01:42:01.680 --> 01:42:06.399
SOMETHING i don't, know but just absolute one of the

1589
01:42:06.520 --> 01:42:11.119
nicest people in. Showbiz Then, sunday at the very end

1590
01:42:11.119 --> 01:42:15.319
of the day we HAD i got to participate in

1591
01:42:16.359 --> 01:42:21.319
the celebrity game show With it Was Sarrock lofton Aka

1592
01:42:21.680 --> 01:42:27.720
Jake CISCO ds. Nine there Was Doug, Jones Bonnie, gordon

1593
01:42:28.319 --> 01:42:33.000
And Gabrielle ruiz and some of the interesting THINGS i

1594
01:42:33.079 --> 01:42:38.479
learned Was gabrielle Was. Broadway was On broadway for ten.

1595
01:42:38.560 --> 01:42:43.920
Years sorry she voiced To lynn On Lower. Decks she'd

1596
01:42:43.960 --> 01:42:48.000
been On broadway for ten. Years AND i don't know

1597
01:42:48.039 --> 01:42:50.920
if anybody had seen. Her she was on the Show

1598
01:42:51.000 --> 01:42:59.199
Crazy Ex, girlfriend And Lynn Manuel miranda recommended her to

1599
01:42:59.279 --> 01:43:01.439
be on the. Show it's, like how cool was? That

1600
01:43:03.399 --> 01:43:06.840
Then Sarrac, lofton who is a sweetheart as, well and

1601
01:43:06.920 --> 01:43:10.800
he's very. Tall, WELL i already knew that he was

1602
01:43:10.880 --> 01:43:14.079
fourteen when he got cast ON ds, nine and we

1603
01:43:14.399 --> 01:43:19.600
literally saw him grow up on. Television but to this

1604
01:43:19.800 --> 01:43:26.439
day he And Avery brooks keep in. Touch Though avery

1605
01:43:26.520 --> 01:43:30.880
doesn't do cons, anymore they talk on a weekly. Basis

1606
01:43:32.319 --> 01:43:36.039
avery was sort of a second father to him on the.

1607
01:43:36.079 --> 01:43:41.960
Show and at one point in, Time sarraq had a

1608
01:43:42.000 --> 01:43:46.479
restaurant or like it was Called Cafe sarraq that was

1609
01:43:46.520 --> 01:43:52.199
in somewhere in Downtown. La Doug JONES i, learned has

1610
01:43:52.479 --> 01:43:58.319
something like Eleven funko pops of all his characters that

1611
01:43:58.399 --> 01:44:00.920
he has played over the. Years how cool is? THAT

1612
01:44:01.760 --> 01:44:04.119
i don't know if anybody. Has the only PERSON i

1613
01:44:04.119 --> 01:44:07.119
would think might have more would be To Free. Comes

1614
01:44:09.239 --> 01:44:14.920
and Then Bonnie, gordon who voiced the computer In, prodigy

1615
01:44:16.319 --> 01:44:22.800
also had twelve uncredited voices that she did on that same.

1616
01:44:22.920 --> 01:44:27.920
SHOW i did not win THE i did not win

1617
01:44:28.000 --> 01:44:33.159
the trivia game, unfortunately BUT i had a really great.

1618
01:44:33.239 --> 01:44:37.039
TIME i partnered because all the celebrities partnered with, somebody

1619
01:44:37.079 --> 01:44:41.840
And gabrielle was my. Partner AND i think it was

1620
01:44:41.920 --> 01:44:45.439
just the fact that she remembered my name from having

1621
01:44:45.479 --> 01:44:48.560
met her the day you, know having met her the day.

1622
01:44:48.600 --> 01:44:52.720
Before it's, like oh, wow you know somebody remembered my,

1623
01:44:52.880 --> 01:44:56.880
name so that that was really. COOL i did. Get

1624
01:44:57.119 --> 01:44:59.319
the only THING i want to apologize for is the

1625
01:44:59.399 --> 01:45:03.319
quality of the. VIDEOS i haven't. SEEN i Trust david

1626
01:45:03.680 --> 01:45:07.039
being the miracle, worker But I'M i really. Apologize i'm

1627
01:45:08.119 --> 01:45:12.199
need a better phone with a better. Camera BUT i did.

1628
01:45:12.279 --> 01:45:15.640
CAPTURE i THINK i sent him WHAT i thought were

1629
01:45:15.720 --> 01:45:18.800
the two best songs or my two favorite songs That

1630
01:45:19.439 --> 01:45:23.880
Tim rust, did and then two parts from When kate

1631
01:45:24.479 --> 01:45:28.159
was on. Stage she is she is quite the. Storyteller

1632
01:45:29.600 --> 01:45:34.720
she's absolutely. Fantastic SO i picked the two best bits

1633
01:45:35.279 --> 01:45:39.880
THAT i think that she she did on. Stage so

1634
01:45:40.119 --> 01:45:42.760
If david wants, TO i don't know if you want

1635
01:45:42.800 --> 01:45:44.960
to do the videos first or the pictures AND i

1636
01:45:45.000 --> 01:45:48.399
can talk a little bit about. Them so whatever you

1637
01:45:48.439 --> 01:45:49.039
want to, do.

1638
01:45:50.560 --> 01:45:51.199
Let me know which.

1639
01:45:51.239 --> 01:45:54.319
One, yeah Do kate.

1640
01:46:00.079 --> 01:46:10.239
Feel and indust we give life? Right whoever that is.

1641
01:46:08.439 --> 01:46:12.880
The aim that the here will give. Life, right that

1642
01:46:13.000 --> 01:46:16.760
requires a little, strength wouldn't you?

1643
01:46:16.800 --> 01:46:23.840
Say we are essentially. Strong it's how we're raised that

1644
01:46:23.960 --> 01:46:32.399
can diminish. Us it's how we're. Treatment they didn't bring us.

1645
01:46:32.479 --> 01:46:37.000
Love we are in all.

1646
01:46:36.960 --> 01:46:40.840
Of our strength also the fortunist and want.

1647
01:46:40.840 --> 01:46:43.640
Very much to love and to be. Loved so if

1648
01:46:43.640 --> 01:46:46.239
we have a father or a brother or a boyfriend

1649
01:46:46.760 --> 01:46:52.520
who's not very, nice we get quiet and the strength

1650
01:46:52.600 --> 01:46:58.600
has to go into the weather. Road, yeah that that

1651
01:46:58.840 --> 01:47:03.279
was so powerful FULL i, Thought, wow wasn't that.

1652
01:47:04.760 --> 01:47:08.479
That was something? Else she's just such a rock. Star,

1653
01:47:08.760 --> 01:47:10.279
oh she is EVERYTHING.

1654
01:47:12.039 --> 01:47:14.239
I could JUST i could listen to her all. Day

1655
01:47:15.439 --> 01:47:18.760
and then there was one other bit one of her

1656
01:47:18.880 --> 01:47:23.199
because somebody asked what one of her Favorite Jane way lines,

1657
01:47:23.560 --> 01:47:31.159
Was so if you could roll that, One david OR.

1658
01:47:35.760 --> 01:47:39.119
I don't like police AND i don't like you.

1659
01:47:48.039 --> 01:47:48.680
So, much.

1660
01:47:50.560 --> 01:47:56.079
Thank you for your, lovely lovely question was what was

1661
01:47:56.119 --> 01:47:57.079
The actually.

1662
01:47:59.479 --> 01:48:01.840
It was ACTUALLY i don't like, BULLYING i don't like,

1663
01:48:01.960 --> 01:48:03.479
threats AND i don't like.

1664
01:48:03.880 --> 01:48:08.479
You you, see she's going to make it any. Al,

1665
01:48:10.479 --> 01:48:14.479
yeah that was that was. Great that was. Great, yeah

1666
01:48:14.520 --> 01:48:17.479
there Were it was really hard to pick BECAUSE i

1667
01:48:17.800 --> 01:48:22.800
just couldn't film. Everything next TIME i go somewhere and she's,

1668
01:48:22.840 --> 01:48:28.239
There i'm going to get some powerful phone or something

1669
01:48:28.319 --> 01:48:33.319
SO i can have. EVERYTHING i don't know if YOU

1670
01:48:33.520 --> 01:48:37.800
i guess next would be, uh some Of Tim russ

1671
01:48:37.880 --> 01:48:41.640
singing with his. Band. Uh he had a keyboard and a,

1672
01:48:41.760 --> 01:48:46.199
drummer AND i learned That tim has been playing the

1673
01:48:46.279 --> 01:48:50.800
bass guitar since he was. Sixteen AND i had actually

1674
01:48:50.840 --> 01:48:57.840
asked him what his musical influences were and HE i, forget,

1675
01:48:57.920 --> 01:49:00.640
well he had quite a lot of the, years but

1676
01:49:01.560 --> 01:49:04.239
one of them was my favorite, band which is which

1677
01:49:04.279 --> 01:49:11.000
are The? Beatles so the first ONE i think is

1678
01:49:11.079 --> 01:49:13.199
the sort OF i guess WAS i don't know what

1679
01:49:13.319 --> 01:49:17.039
the they didn't have a list of the names of the,

1680
01:49:17.119 --> 01:49:19.800
songs BUT i thought it was just a, lovely sort

1681
01:49:19.800 --> 01:49:23.199
of a ballad type of. Song so if you could

1682
01:49:23.479 --> 01:50:40.359
roll that, One, david it, was that's really neat cool

1683
01:50:41.880 --> 01:50:43.960
and he's SIXTY i had to look it. Up he

1684
01:50:44.039 --> 01:50:48.840
is sixty nine years, old so he's been playing a long.

1685
01:50:48.960 --> 01:50:54.680
Time and then the second one is the encore where

1686
01:50:54.720 --> 01:50:57.079
it sounds like he's going to play one song and

1687
01:50:57.079 --> 01:51:00.119
then he plays, Another so roll that.

1688
01:51:00.199 --> 01:51:00.439
One.

1689
01:51:01.199 --> 01:52:19.800
David and then lastly the. Pictures SO i have, Selfies

1690
01:52:19.920 --> 01:52:23.920
i've got the photo, ops And i've got the autographed

1691
01:52:24.880 --> 01:52:28.920
pictures because there's some few stories behind, them SO i

1692
01:52:29.039 --> 01:52:38.359
can put those up. There. Right that was my selfie

1693
01:52:38.399 --> 01:52:42.239
With sir Rock. Lofton oh my, god what a sweetheart he.

1694
01:52:42.319 --> 01:52:45.560
Gives he just, squeezes he just put his arm around,

1695
01:52:45.600 --> 01:52:48.840
me AND i just could have stayed there all. Day

1696
01:52:48.920 --> 01:52:55.199
he was just such a, sweetheart all. Right next, one,

1697
01:52:56.039 --> 01:53:00.680
Yeah Doug. Jones, oh just the best GUY i could.

1698
01:53:01.000 --> 01:53:03.760
LIKE i, said too, bad he's happily, married.

1699
01:53:05.359 --> 01:53:05.479
All.

1700
01:53:05.560 --> 01:53:12.279
Right next, one, oh he, said, okay let's hold each other's.

1701
01:53:12.359 --> 01:53:15.680
Faces and ALL i could think of was that song

1702
01:53:15.760 --> 01:53:19.079
In Chitty Chitty Bang bang where The king And queen

1703
01:53:19.199 --> 01:53:23.920
said you're my little KOUCHI q type of that. Song but,

1704
01:53:24.039 --> 01:53:31.000
anyway so that was his that was his. Suggestion and next, one,

1705
01:53:31.319 --> 01:53:36.359
oh that's Where Ti lynn Aka Gabrielle ruiz AND i

1706
01:53:36.479 --> 01:53:40.439
do the Sarcastic vulcan. Salute, YES i know it Was,

1707
01:53:40.560 --> 01:53:46.000
mariner but we couldn't not do that. One all, right

1708
01:53:46.119 --> 01:53:51.239
onto the uh, oh there's my photo op with the,

1709
01:53:51.479 --> 01:54:00.439
gorgeous Stunning gates McFadden Aka Doctor Beverly. Crusher and in,

1710
01:54:00.479 --> 01:54:05.560
There i'm wearing My erecnia outfit minus the feathers and

1711
01:54:05.680 --> 01:54:09.399
the collar because that collar is a lethal. Weapon it

1712
01:54:09.439 --> 01:54:16.399
could poke somebody's eye. Out all. Right, Next, ah The

1713
01:54:16.520 --> 01:54:21.840
ladies OF ds, Nine Terry, Farrell nicole De boar And

1714
01:54:22.399 --> 01:54:27.279
Nana Visitor Sweetest. Slaves they remembered my name as, well

1715
01:54:27.359 --> 01:54:30.520
so that was very. COOL i KNOW i don't get out.

1716
01:54:30.600 --> 01:54:32.800
Much i'm happy when people remember my.

1717
01:54:32.960 --> 01:54:34.640
Name all.

1718
01:54:34.720 --> 01:54:39.199
Right, next what do we? HAVE i don't like this,

1719
01:54:39.279 --> 01:54:41.439
PICTURE i will admit. IT i Know i'm hard on,

1720
01:54:41.479 --> 01:54:45.840
myself but this was five years in the, making meeting

1721
01:54:46.119 --> 01:54:49.520
the one and Only Kate mulgrew wearing My erecnia outfit

1722
01:54:50.039 --> 01:54:54.840
that she really. Liked so there you, go all.

1723
01:54:54.960 --> 01:54:57.960
Right, NEXT i still can't believe you got to meet her.

1724
01:54:58.039 --> 01:55:01.479
VISA i, KNOW i, know there's my health right.

1725
01:55:02.840 --> 01:55:03.079
In my.

1726
01:55:03.199 --> 01:55:06.760
Head it's just, like you, know just a screaming you,

1727
01:55:06.800 --> 01:55:12.359
know uh, no no. Visitor AND i told her when

1728
01:55:12.399 --> 01:55:14.199
they had when we had the picture of the three of.

1729
01:55:14.239 --> 01:55:17.239
Them As i'm, LEAVING i, SAID i will totally be your.

1730
01:55:17.319 --> 01:55:22.119
Roadie and she was not a Post so if we

1731
01:55:22.199 --> 01:55:23.960
get her on the. Show i'm going to remind her

1732
01:55:24.000 --> 01:55:26.680
of that and and hold her to, that.

1733
01:55:28.760 --> 01:55:28.880
All.

1734
01:55:28.960 --> 01:55:34.840
Right next Up nicole To bower where it's kind of

1735
01:55:34.840 --> 01:55:37.880
hard to, see BUT i told her about the podcast she's.

1736
01:55:37.920 --> 01:55:42.119
Done she's sort of podcasted, out so she very politely,

1737
01:55:42.560 --> 01:55:46.319
declined but she did say good luck on the. Podcast so,

1738
01:55:46.760 --> 01:55:55.319
who all, right what else do we? Have? Oh, yes

1739
01:55:55.520 --> 01:56:01.199
The Hot Trill. Kids uh the uh what is? IT

1740
01:56:01.319 --> 01:56:04.159
i can't remember now the name of the episode where

1741
01:56:04.960 --> 01:56:11.399
that is The dax's former host's wife who the husband

1742
01:56:11.399 --> 01:56:14.000
died in the shuttle, crash et, cetera, whatever and they

1743
01:56:14.039 --> 01:56:16.880
still loved each. Other so lovely lovely.

1744
01:56:17.840 --> 01:56:21.199
REUNION i think it's called. Something is that you're cordially?

1745
01:56:21.199 --> 01:56:23.039
Invited is, No, no that's the that's the.

1746
01:56:23.039 --> 01:56:28.079
Wedding this was before that reunion or something like. That,

1747
01:56:28.159 --> 01:56:32.600
Anyway so WHEN i rejoined, rejoined, YES i was. Closed,

1748
01:56:32.680 --> 01:56:36.840
yeah but, yeah that was on her table When i'm

1749
01:56:36.920 --> 01:56:39.159
getting the, autograph AND i, said, Oh i've got to

1750
01:56:39.199 --> 01:56:43.960
have that, one so, yeah Because i'm, sorry but that

1751
01:56:44.079 --> 01:56:44.520
was a hot.

1752
01:56:44.600 --> 01:56:48.439
Kiss mm, HMMM i think THAT i.

1753
01:56:49.560 --> 01:56:56.840
FORGOT i had The, tallinn The tallinn picture WHERE i

1754
01:56:56.920 --> 01:57:00.600
Asked gabrielle if she would sign that one lawn from

1755
01:57:02.279 --> 01:57:08.119
uh the, EMPATHY i can't even say empathologically, WHATEVER i

1756
01:57:08.159 --> 01:57:11.800
don't know, anyway with a betas and where To lynn

1757
01:57:11.880 --> 01:57:15.760
says something to the Effect vulcan as a mother, leaper

1758
01:57:16.560 --> 01:57:18.960
AND i asked her to sign that and she, did

1759
01:57:19.079 --> 01:57:23.000
says to Victorious Dave vulcan as A so that was

1760
01:57:23.119 --> 01:57:28.520
The that was absolutely freaking. Fantastic SO i just had

1761
01:57:28.560 --> 01:57:32.399
the best. Time LIKE i, Said i'm still, recuperating But

1762
01:57:33.720 --> 01:57:37.920
i'm hoping SINCE i reached out to, everybody there were

1763
01:57:37.920 --> 01:57:46.159
some other STARS i didn't, mention, Well Raffy moriarty and

1764
01:57:46.640 --> 01:57:51.119
the uh t o s WHAT i Call Chris pike

1765
01:57:51.960 --> 01:57:57.560
be beep so the, injured, yeah the one in Their,

1766
01:57:57.600 --> 01:58:01.880
Yeah Sean kenny is his. Name so out to a

1767
01:58:01.880 --> 01:58:05.880
bunch of. People so hopefully that some of them will

1768
01:58:06.840 --> 01:58:09.760
have been taken in by my my charm and wit

1769
01:58:09.920 --> 01:58:14.720
and everything like that and contact us and we'll see

1770
01:58:14.800 --> 01:58:18.479
them on the. Show so thank, You. David you did

1771
01:58:18.479 --> 01:58:21.920
a great, job especially with the. Videos Tim russ's concert

1772
01:58:22.000 --> 01:58:26.560
was very, loud so it was it was great for a.

1773
01:58:26.560 --> 01:58:28.920
While my tonight just went. AWAY i didn't notice, that

1774
01:58:29.079 --> 01:58:34.600
so that was. Great but thank you For, yeah, yep

1775
01:58:34.680 --> 01:58:38.279
it was so thank you for turning those videos into

1776
01:58:38.319 --> 01:58:43.640
something that was actually. Watchable letting in that that Sarcastic

1777
01:58:43.720 --> 01:58:48.000
vulcan salute With Ti. Lynn that was just freaking. Fantastic

1778
01:58:48.119 --> 01:58:52.000
so all, right so thank you for letting me do my.

1779
01:58:52.119 --> 01:58:54.880
Review AND i got to, say, LOOK i brought home

1780
01:58:55.079 --> 01:58:59.760
a boopsie because how COULD i, not and some other,

1781
01:58:59.840 --> 01:59:03.840
things but. Oopsie getting a moopsie finally was was a.

1782
01:59:03.920 --> 01:59:09.600
Highlight so, ANYWAY i hope to do more comes in the.

1783
01:59:09.640 --> 01:59:14.199
FUTURE i don't know, when don't know, where but absolutely

1784
01:59:14.560 --> 01:59:17.920
with with better recording equipment next time.

1785
01:59:19.720 --> 01:59:23.840
As very well.

1786
01:59:23.880 --> 01:59:26.560
Done oh, GOOD i kind OF i was trying to

1787
01:59:26.600 --> 01:59:31.199
glance at my my scribbles, here so but it really.

1788
01:59:31.279 --> 01:59:34.880
Was it. Was it was just better THAN i. Expected

1789
01:59:35.039 --> 01:59:37.720
AND i can't believe THAT i talked to all these

1790
01:59:37.840 --> 01:59:42.800
Famous Star trek. People so that will keep that will

1791
01:59:42.800 --> 01:59:44.720
sustain me probably for the rest of the.

1792
01:59:44.880 --> 01:59:49.159
Year it's too bad that we couldn't get a table.

1793
01:59:49.199 --> 01:59:53.880
THERE i, know next, time maybe next, time maybe next.

1794
01:59:53.920 --> 01:59:57.840
Time so before we sign, off, THOUGH i just want

1795
01:59:57.840 --> 01:59:59.479
to let you guys know that we got a lot

1796
01:59:59.520 --> 02:00:01.279
of poker in the, fire a lot of people that be,

1797
02:00:01.399 --> 02:00:04.760
mentioned but next week you're going to be Talking Chris,

1798
02:00:04.760 --> 02:00:10.880
myers who Played Ensyndanic gamble On Strange New. Worlds he

1799
02:00:12.039 --> 02:00:13.920
got his eyes blown. Out we're going to have it

1800
02:00:14.039 --> 02:00:17.159
on the podcast next, week so that's gonna be a

1801
02:00:17.159 --> 02:00:21.000
lot of. FUN i also talked To Christine, horn who Played,

1802
02:00:21.039 --> 02:00:24.039
bijeck the Kling on with the whip in the zombie,

1803
02:00:24.119 --> 02:00:27.439
episode and she's going to be on the podcast not

1804
02:00:27.640 --> 02:00:31.920
too long, off maybe another couple of weeks right around the.

1805
02:00:31.920 --> 02:00:36.600
Corner AND i finally heard back From Adam nimoy's publicist

1806
02:00:36.760 --> 02:00:40.039
And Adam nimoy is going to be available at the

1807
02:00:40.199 --> 02:00:43.920
end Of. September so those those three are going to

1808
02:00:44.000 --> 02:00:48.279
be on the. Podcast Well chris next, week the other

1809
02:00:48.319 --> 02:00:50.600
two as soon AS i finalize, THAT i will let

1810
02:00:50.680 --> 02:00:53.439
you guys, know but they will be on the podcast with.

1811
02:00:53.640 --> 02:00:56.760
Us so that's something to look forward. To and IF

1812
02:00:56.800 --> 02:00:59.680
i hear back from any of the people that we talked,

1813
02:00:59.680 --> 02:01:03.960
TO i will keep you guys in the. Week. Yep.

1814
02:01:04.000 --> 02:01:09.039
Great so that wraps up our podcast for. TONIGHT i

1815
02:01:09.079 --> 02:01:11.000
want to take this opportunity to say thank you To

1816
02:01:11.039 --> 02:01:13.880
paul for hanging out In trek talking with. Us thank

1817
02:01:13.920 --> 02:01:17.319
you so, Much, paul and thank you To charles for

1818
02:01:17.399 --> 02:01:20.399
hanging out in trek talking with. Us thank, You, Charles thank, You.

1819
02:01:20.560 --> 02:01:21.319
Jim always.

1820
02:01:21.359 --> 02:01:25.319
Fun and thank you To eric for hanging out and

1821
02:01:25.359 --> 02:01:27.720
trek talking with us. Tonight thank you so, Much.

1822
02:01:27.640 --> 02:01:29.520
Eric you bet always a good.

1823
02:01:29.560 --> 02:01:32.439
Time and of, course thank you to the miracle Worker

1824
02:01:32.560 --> 02:01:36.600
david for making all these awesome videos and pictures. Possible

1825
02:01:36.680 --> 02:01:39.199
thank you so, Much. David, yeah it's been.

1826
02:01:39.199 --> 02:01:40.680
Fun and give me a good, distraction.

1827
02:01:40.960 --> 02:01:44.960
Yeaes and thank you so much to v for that,

1828
02:01:45.479 --> 02:01:50.239
awesome awesome convention report and for hanging out With googie

1829
02:01:50.279 --> 02:01:54.680
And badgie and sharing your experience with us here on the.

1830
02:01:54.720 --> 02:01:55.560
Podcast thank you so.

1831
02:01:55.640 --> 02:01:59.000
Much oh you bet my pleasure And.

1832
02:01:58.920 --> 02:02:01.680
I'm your most excellent. Host Uncle jim saying to everybody

1833
02:02:01.680 --> 02:02:04.640
please stay safe and be good to each other and

1834
02:02:04.720 --> 02:02:09.760
Remember Star trek fans are the best. Fans hailing frequencies are.

1835
02:02:09.880 --> 02:02:13.079
Closed good, night everybody gonna belong and.

1836
02:02:13.119 --> 02:02:19.039
Prosper all stags ready for, departure, sir.

1837
02:02:22.520 --> 02:02:25.399
Some, problem, Right i'm just hoping this isn't the usual

1838
02:02:25.439 --> 02:02:26.319
way of missions will, go.

1839
02:02:26.479 --> 02:02:30.319
Sir, oh, no number, One i'm sure most will be

1840
02:02:30.439 --> 02:02:36.560
much more. Interesting let's see what's out there

1841
02:02:38.880 --> 02:02:39.359
Than game