April 25, 2025

Episode 633- Evil Admirals of Starfleet

Episode 633- Evil Admirals of Starfleet

In this episode of Trek Talking and Beyond, Uncle Jim and  cohosts discuss the return to their original podcast name and format, incorporating more sci-fi content alongside Star Trek. They engage with their audience through fan shoutouts and polls,...

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In this episode of Trek Talking and Beyond, Uncle Jim and cohosts discuss the return to their original podcast name and format, incorporating more sci-fi content alongside Star Trek. They engage with their audience through fan shoutouts and polls, exploring ethical dilemmas faced by characters in the Star Trek universe, particularly focusing on Captain Archer's controversial decisions. The conversation also touches on the longevity of starships and the significance of the original Enterprise, highlighting the importance of community and listener involvement in the podcast. In this conversation, the hosts delve into the moral complexities of various Starfleet admirals, discussing their decisions and the implications of their actions. They explore the motivations behind Admiral Morrow's choices, the evil nature of Admiral Doherty, the witch hunt led by Admiral Satie, the fear-driven actions of Admiral Layton, and the conspiratorial mindset of Admiral Cartwright. Each admiral represents different facets of leadership and morality within the Starfleet universe, prompting a broader discussion on ethics, fear, and the consequences of power. They explore the influence of the Romulans, the character of Admiral Marcus from 'Star Trek Into Darkness', and the nuances of Admiral Pressman's actions in 'The Pegasus'. The conversation also touches on the upcoming Star Trek news and celebrates the birthdays of notable figures in the Star Trek community. Let's see whats out there...ENGAGE!

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make it So, everybody.

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I'm coming to the services. Now we talk about the series.

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How books on slowly down?

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Well, good evening, Treki's and Trekkers around the globe. It

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is Thursday, April twenty fourth, twenty twenty five. Welcome to

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episode number six hundred and thirty three of Trek Talking.

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By the way, we have a new name, well, we

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don't have a new name. We have an old name

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that has come back to us. We used to be

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Trek Talking and Beyond and when Paramount Plus I'm sorry,

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when CBS All Access came along and later became Paramount Plus,

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we had a pallethera of New Star Trek. We had

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almost New Star Trek every single week for well over

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a year. Well that's not the case anymore, and with

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only ten episodes of Strange New Worlds to deal with

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and ten episodes of Starfleet Academy at some future date,

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we decided that it's time to go back to our

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old format and we readopted the name of Star Trek

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Trek Talking and Beyond. And what does that mean to

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you guys? That means it's starting next week. We're going

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to be reviewing the new Star Wars and or season

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two episodes, episode one, two, and three next week. And

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we're still going to continue with all of our great

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Star Trek coverage. I'm still working on getting actors on

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the show. We're still going to be doing our comic corner.

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The only difference is going to be that we're going

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to be doing a little bit more sci fi stuff

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and not strictly strictly Star Trek. So you can overdor

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our Facebook page which is Trek Talking and Beyond and

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find all that information over there. Before we get started, though,

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I'd like to go around and introduce my awesome trucks first,

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you guys. We'll start off with Eric. Eric is out

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in Portland. How you doing tonight?

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Eric?

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Doing pretty good?

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Man?

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I got a little temp background up here, just because

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I'm doing a little cleaning, a little rearranging around here.

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Hope to have the toys back up next week. But

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I thought i'd offer you a little bit of poetry

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from my heady Alice here as the trout rise and

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the larks sing, oh what joy does the I PA bring?

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There you go now?

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And I recite that in its original klingon, let's be clear.

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And we also have with us from Las Vegas, our

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very own Charles. How you doing tonight?

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Charles doing good? For the fans who get to see

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this live. Yes, I do have palm trees out and

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they are waving a bit.

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But we love waving palm trees.

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The weather just was too nice to want to be inside.

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I understand that absolutely. And we also have back from Portland,

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our very own David. He's our miracle worker on the show.

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How you doing tonight? David?

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I'm doing pretty good? Pretty good. It's getting really hot

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over here, though, man.

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Yeah, I know it was. It was real hot here.

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It was it was breaking seventy wow in that's that

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is pretty intense. And let's let's swing. Let's hang out

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in Portland and say hello to our very own toy guy,

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and of course I'm talking about Paul. How you doing today, Paul.

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Hey man, I'm doing all right. You know, if you're

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ever in doubt and you need a reliable weather forecast,

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this is your program.

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Right.

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It's like we seem to always cover the weather and

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it's agociating details. Yeah, yeah, binds us all together.

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It is the four right, Wow, that's true. We all

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have we all live on the planet where we have weather.

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Eric, are you sporting you I wear today?

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Eric?

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Do I notice this? Well?

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Usually I have the ones that are kind of clear

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on the bottom, and today I'm just wearing the all

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black ones, so they may look a little bit heavier,

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a little bit more prominent than normal. But yeah, so yeah,

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thanks for noticing.

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Man. You know, nothing gets by me.

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It's true. I tried to sneak him in and you

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know it's as.

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Sharp as a marble, you know. So I also wanted

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to point something else out to you guys that you

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may or may not be aware of. We are currently

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broadcasting live on Facebook. But really, yes, I lawyer, I

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had to let you guys know. Last week I did

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it by accident. Remember, I got disconnected and I froze

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up and I disappeared and it took me a while

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to get back. Well, when I came back, we were

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live on Facebook, and I was like, how the hell

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did I do that? So now now we are currently

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going live on Facebook, So anybody that's on our Facebook

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page can click on that live link and can actually

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be watching us right now. I'm not sure. I don't

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know if they'll be able to interact with us, but

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they can watch the show live on Facebook, which is

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pretty cool, crazy all right. Anyways, you guys can visit

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talking dot com and you can find out all kinds

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of great stuff over there. We are looking currently looking

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for a new co host because we got five white

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guys here, so uh, you know, we're looking for somebody

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to add a little bit of uh you know, diversity

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a female would be.

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What you think it means.

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So h And actually, my daughter Jamie, who used to

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is getting into this indoor series with me, and she

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wants to come on next week when we start talking

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about and or not. Right, No, no, we're not, We're

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not doing She's not much of a star trek fan. Okay,

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I I hate to say that. Wow yeah so but yeah, yeah,

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I know. But you've heard she is looking for talking

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about and or, and she has been post all kinds

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of stuff in our online chat. So she wants to

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come on next week talk about and or. If you

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without any further ado, let's dive into tonight. Tonight we're

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going to be talking about the evil admirals of Star Trek.

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That's my evil Peter Vincent laugh from thriller. Well I

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try to be anyways. We also have our fans shout

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outs where we thank all the fans around the world

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just like you that are listening right now. We have

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our Star Trek polls. Was decommissioning the Enterprise a good choice?

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And what about stealing warp coils? Are you guys into that?

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You think that's a cool thing. We're going to talk

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about that on our Star Trek poles. And what Star

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Trek actor do you share a birthday with? You can

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find out on our Star Trek Birthday section. And what's

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going around the Star Trek universe this week. We have

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Strange New Worlds updates and the Doctor talks about Starfleet Academy.

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So that's what we're gonna be talking about. As I

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already stated at the top of the show. Head over

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to Truck Talking and beyond. You will see a pin

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post of Livelong and Prosper at the top of the page.

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Click on that post. Tell us where you're listening from.

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Look for a heart next to your name from yours truly,

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Uncle Jim. We have lots of emoji that gets my attention,

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and then your name will be mentioned in a future

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fan shout out. So, Eric, would you like to get

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us started with our fan shout outs for this week?

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I absolutely would. We are gonna start where we often start,

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just across the pond over there in the UK, and

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we're gonna say hello this week to Terry Anthony, who's

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saying hello to us from Norfolk, England. Thanks for saying hey, Terry.

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I hope you're listening right now. I hope you're having

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a good time. Hope you're having a good day. I

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hope the weather there is good because we like to

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talk about that. Thanks Terry. Also saying hello this week

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to Horhe Gonzaga feel who is saying hello to us

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from Rio de Janeiro down South America. Man, we've got

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a lot of support down in Brazil. It's kind of

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cool because I feel like just about every week I

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get to say hello to somebody from Brazil and it's

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one of those places I would love to visit someday. So,

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Jorge Gonzagafio, I hope you are also having a good

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day and livelong and prosper to you. Hello as well

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this week to Alice Confognieri, who sang hello to us

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from Italia and she's waving that Italian flag very proudly.

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You know, the first time I was ever in Italy

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was when they won the World Cup in two thousand

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and six. That was something else man. That was that

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town knows how to well. Rome, I'm sure meant all

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the towns in Italy, but Rome in particular knew how

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to party. So Alice, thanks for saying hello to us.

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We really appreciate your support. And last on my list,

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I'd like to say hello this week to Dietrich Kerner,

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who sang hello to us from New Hanover, Germany, right

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there in the center of Italy, Italy, Europe. Dietrich Kerner,

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thanks for saying hello to us, and I hope that

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you think our podcast is Auskazi net Carls, who would

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you like to say hello to?

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Oh?

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Thank you Eric. Let's start off the warm Welcome the

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top fan, Mark Beaver from south eastern Pennsylvania. Welcome Mark.

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Welcome to Todd Aaron C from Mississippi, but originally from

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northern California, born and raised. Well, which bay are you in, Todd?

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Welcome to Stephanie Rourke from Michigan. Welcome Stephanie. And Dan

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CEO from Chicago. Oh, not far from great mistakes, David, Dan, David,

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who's on your list?

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Yeah? Thank Charles. I would like to say thank you

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and one welcome to Jay Ramos from California. Next time

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my list is Romeo Urnya from Texas and going over

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toward the Kentucky area, we are going to say hello

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to Brandon Cowles. And last time my list is going

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all the way down to Florida. We would like to

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say hello to Laurawellan Williams. Thanks you guys for all

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supporting us, and Paul who's on your list?

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Thanks David. Let's spin the globe around here and maybe

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check out some different longitudes if we can. First of all,

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I'd like to go all the way down to New

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Zealand and say hello to our friend Vanessa Madson. Not

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sure which island that you hail from there, Vanessa. But

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it's just great to know that all the way down

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there on the other end of the planet there is

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enthusiasm for start very very cool. Another English speaking country

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on the other side of the planet. We're going to

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go to Leeds in England and the UK, where John Wilson,

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who I think we've from a couple of times in

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the past. John is letting us know that he's also

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a fan of all things Trek and this podcast. In

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South Africa and Praetoria, our friend Vincent Buysen is there. Hello, Vincent,

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how are you doing. Good to know that there's lots

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And now it's time for our Star Trek pole.

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LiNpO Lino.

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You know me like no win what you thought about

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the show when we try Just share your opinions with

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all of our minions out there, because they listen world, Why.

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So tell us just what you think.

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Get together we will alter Canara and robulin Al.

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All right, guys with that awesome, awesome song to put

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a little bit. It's time for our Star Trek polls.

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And I always try to come up with something fun,

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sometimes something ethical, sometimes just something stupid. But at any

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rate you'll have to find out. So, hey, David, why

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don't you run.

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The clip.

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A bunch of ship there.

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We know a way to insulate against the anomally substance

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called trillium bean.

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It's called trelli.

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I've heard of it. It's extremely rare. I have sixty

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kilos sitting in my.

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Cargo, Disi, and perhaps we can work out some sort

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of trade.

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That's what I had in mine.

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Given the condition of my vessel.

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I don't know what we can offer you.

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Our work engine is badly damaged.

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We could probably spare a few plasm injectors, maybe some mathematics.

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I was thinking more along the lines of a warp coiled.

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I'm afraid that's one thing we can scrarect. Maybe we

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can make it worth your while.

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We have certain technology that you'd probably find useful.

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Without a warp coil, the journey back to our system

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will take three years.

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We're not equipped for a voyage of dead.

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Length, do ZINDI have already wiped out seven million of

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my people.

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Now they're building a weapon to destroy our entire world.

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I have to stop.

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Without warp drive, I won't succeeded.

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I sympathize, Captain. I will help you in any other way,

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but I won't jeopardize a life of my crew.

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I'm sorry.

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All Right, there you have it. So what is our

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poll question? Eric as if figure out?

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Yeah, I mean that clip is from the Enterprise episode Damage.

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So in this episode, the Enterprise is crippled and adrift

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and in need of a warp coil. They encounter an

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Ollyrian ship and steal the sole warp coil that that

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ship has, stranding them three years. Do you agree with

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Archer's choice? And, as often happens on these poles, seventy

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five seventy six percent of the people who responded this

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poll said heck yeah, Archer made the right choice, and

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twenty four percent said no, he did not make the

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right choice. And because I read the polls, I always

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get to respond first. You guys, how can the Federation

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being pirates be okay? This is? This is not okay?

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I know, like a whole ends justifies the means, sort

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of like potential argument that you can make here, seven

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million people in Florida destroyed by the zinnimmcmau whatnot. But

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I tell you what, I'm pretty sure that better captains

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than Archer would have come up with another way to

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solve this problem than simply becoming pirates and stealing stuff

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from these people, stranding them for three years. Right, took

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them three years to get home. I feel like this

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would be a great episode to have kind of a

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follow up on in Strange New Worlds or something, you know,

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like what happened with the Illyrians after they had their

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work coorse sooln by Archer or something. So I am

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not with dominions on this one at all, I think

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it was absolutely wrong for Archer to do this. It's

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my two cents.

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All right, how about you, David? Are you with dominions

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or against dominions?

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Alright, there you go.

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Yeah.

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I I think it's all very situational. I mean, I

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honestly think that a better captain, or a different captain,

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innocent would probably not have come up with a particular

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situation because I actually think for the sake of like

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Block always says one the needs of one outwiged the

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needs of the mini so or was it the opposite,

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I can't remember now, but anyway, so yeah, I'm I'm

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thinking that the fact that actually was in a desperate

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situation that he needed that whipcord, and I'm this whole

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situation with the being pirate and everything everything, I don't

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really think of it as being a pirate, and the

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fact that they compensated them for what they could use

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to survive for a three year period.

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Hold on, well, they gave them trillium D, which we

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knows drives people to madness and they become zombies.

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Right, so not all of them. I mean, he doesn't

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call it the human true just the Balkans. They don't

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know if they are allergic to it a cliche, but honestly,

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I I'm gonna have to go with Honestly, yeah, I

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think this whole thing is I think archer word actually

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in the right here. I actually think that he did

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what he had to do. So that's my opinion.

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So all right, So David is with the minions. How

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about you, Charlesy with the minions or against the minions.

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Well, I think his ultimate goal was to sit there

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and get to the Zindi to try and protect the

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other planets, including Earth, from being attacked. And I think

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his goal was to protect as many people as possible,

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and in protecting as many people as possible, he had

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who sacrifice a little bit integrity and maybe a little

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bit of honor with them. But I think he was

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risking so much that he chose that. I think it

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was a better choice that he did take them, did

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take their warp coil, so so he could succeed the

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mission and protect a lot of others. So I'm going

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to go with the minions on this one.

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All right. How about you, Paula? You with dominions or

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against the minions?

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God, gentlemen, ethics are just so inconvenient, aren't they? I mean, Jesus,

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I mean I'm hearing such trumping and thinking I can

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barely wrap my head around it, right, I mean, maybe

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go solve the mineral situation in like U grain because

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it's similar line of thinking here. It's what I want

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and it's necessary for me, so I'll just gotta take it.

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It doesn't matter, it's not mine. I need it, and

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I really need it now. I mean, we're basically like

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apes with sticks, guys. If we adopt this line of reasoning,

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this is not okay, this is not civilization. That certainly

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does not represent the ideals of the United Federation Planet's

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Starfleet Academy or any of that. Right, So it's incredibly

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The kindest thing I can say is it's incredibly selfish

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and it's a real dick move. Also, I really have

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to criticize Scott Bacula's performance in that one scene or

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stick up my ass. She can tell you something, Paul,

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He's really bad in that scene.

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Man.

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Actually, during during a panel at Triconderogo a couple of

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years ago, I said something I probably shouldn't have because

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I got a pretty bad grown from the audience. I

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said that I didn't think Scott Bacula could act his

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way out of a paper bag and enterprise, and everybody

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was like, what, yeah, but that's perfect scene that illustrates God.

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Forbid, you have an opinion, right, I mean, you're you know,

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you're just you got to be able to just call

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it as you see it, man, I mean, you can't

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worry about pleasing everybody. Jesus, you know. I certainly don't,

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but uh yeah, I just I just think this is just,

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you know, really it like you said, it's it's a

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dick move, it's piracy, it's selfish behavior, it's it should

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be held up as an example of what not to do.

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And I don't.

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I certainly hope that anybody who's with dominions never has

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a leadership position, because good lord, I would be on

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the next door out. So yeah, sorry, it's just reprehensible.

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It's reprehensible.

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You mentioned that this was the take on the United Federation. Well,

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this particular scene would before the federation even founded, So

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technically that is a moot point.

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Man.

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It's an ethical it goes against the ethics of what

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the Federation became. So if this is basically they're more

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ape like before it evolved there, but it's just no

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one looks good doing this kind of stuff.

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Yeah, that's why he would really pondering on whether or

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not to do it. There was some extra strames I

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wanted to put in there, but we had to shorten

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it to make.

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A Yeah, I don't know this episode very well at all.

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I'm just going by what the question is and what

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I'm seeing on screen, and it's just you know, it's

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just like selfishness is is uh, you know that's how

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you choose to roll great.

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I don't see the selfsness. Selfishness though there were a

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lot of There was a lot of things that could

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have been shown in a sense if you saw the

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entire episode, seeing lined by lining timeline and how everything went.

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Even the crew was like, you know, we have to

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do this otherwise Earth is going to get destroyed. So technically, well.

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Yeah, David Wen justifies the means is your is your perspective,

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and I think.

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Can already just go back and get him and then

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you know, give them back to.

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We had to shorten that scene up quite a bit

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to get it in there. There was more pondering and

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ethical you know, discussions and things, but.

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Then they ignored that they just did what they wanted.

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In the end, they just you know, Archer did it,

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and I think, I think David, so all right, now

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it's my turn, So here we go. And as usual,

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first of all, to David's point, the Federation doesn't exist

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at this point in time, so this is pre federation,

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pre you know, non interference clause. You know, none of

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that exists at this point in time. Arch is kind

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of the first guy out there figuring it out on

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his own. Having said that it doesn't make it right

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what he did, but being the only one, being the

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first one having to make these choices without any support

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from anybody else other than his crew stranded out there.

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They were in what the bad lands? Now what was

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that place called?

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That?

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They were stuck the neutral No, not the Neutrals.

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It was some sort of a nebula. I think, yeah, yeah,

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that's it.

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And you know, they didn't even have any Vulcans around

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to help them at that point, or basically Schran, who

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always seems to show up at every minute to help him.

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So he did what he thought was right. He made

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a judgment call uh to say earth, he did what

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he thought was right. But I don't think it was

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the right choice to make as far as the ethics

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and the you know, what Starfleet wants to represent and

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what we want our ships doing. So there you have it.

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I mean, you know, I ask yourself this question, right, Okay, yeah,

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I mean, granted, maybe there's no United Federation planets yet,

473
00:27:19.119 --> 00:27:21.720
there's no Starfleet yet, right, So and he's out there

474
00:27:21.720 --> 00:27:23.880
by himself, like you say, right, he's the first guy

475
00:27:23.920 --> 00:27:26.359
doing it, right, But is this at a time before

476
00:27:26.480 --> 00:27:29.079
people had a concept of the understanding of what character is.

477
00:27:30.240 --> 00:27:32.720
Now it's like, it's basically that's what he's got. He's

478
00:27:32.720 --> 00:27:35.359
got character, and he shows he has none right by

479
00:27:35.400 --> 00:27:38.240
exhibiting this. So it's it's it's it's really, I just.

480
00:27:38.200 --> 00:27:41.279
Try to put myself in the in the you know,

481
00:27:41.359 --> 00:27:45.079
the the position of the person who's being transgressed against.

482
00:27:45.079 --> 00:27:50.039
So if somebody needed a lawnmower, and by mowing their lawn,

483
00:27:50.160 --> 00:27:54.039
they could like please one hundred people, does that give

484
00:27:54.079 --> 00:27:57.440
them the right to come and steal my lawnmower? Now

485
00:27:57.920 --> 00:27:59.839
they should get their own day lawnmower, right.

486
00:28:01.200 --> 00:28:04.319
I don't think that's the same concept, But okay, that's

487
00:28:04.319 --> 00:28:05.359
a different situation.

488
00:28:05.440 --> 00:28:07.200
I think it was exactly the same David.

489
00:28:11.160 --> 00:28:13.799
Yeah, it's just a boy. What a terrible leader. Oh

490
00:28:13.839 --> 00:28:15.079
my god, he just sucks.

491
00:28:15.319 --> 00:28:17.599
It's just, you know, that's kind of.

492
00:28:17.559 --> 00:28:19.440
One of the things I like about Enterprise is that

493
00:28:19.640 --> 00:28:23.839
they are like babies flailing right, and they make a

494
00:28:23.880 --> 00:28:25.240
lot of mistakes on that show.

495
00:28:25.880 --> 00:28:28.160
O God, yeah they do.

496
00:28:28.519 --> 00:28:32.480
You know, I worry about mankind often. And and this,

497
00:28:32.480 --> 00:28:35.839
this is a interesting choice of a question Jim got

498
00:28:35.880 --> 00:28:36.279
us going.

499
00:28:36.799 --> 00:28:39.160
Well, a lot of a lot of our Facebook fans

500
00:28:39.400 --> 00:28:44.440
said that they went back later and and helped them

501
00:28:44.480 --> 00:28:47.599
out and gave them another warp oil after they saved Earth.

502
00:28:47.880 --> 00:28:50.759
I don't think that's in the episode, though. I don't

503
00:28:50.799 --> 00:28:51.720
know how they know that they did.

504
00:28:52.119 --> 00:28:52.920
Well, take a.

505
00:28:52.839 --> 00:28:53.759
Lot of headcan in to me.

506
00:28:54.240 --> 00:28:58.400
These are fans saying what they what they think happened.

507
00:28:58.440 --> 00:29:02.359
So okay, I'm sure you know he gave it to him.

508
00:29:02.559 --> 00:29:06.559
He went back and see me, so you know that's I.

509
00:29:06.640 --> 00:29:09.960
Blew up your planet. But hey, here's some here's some cheese.

510
00:29:10.240 --> 00:29:15.880
Yeah, here's some kling on blood wine.

511
00:29:15.960 --> 00:29:17.839
I know we destroyed all the round, but you know, hey,

512
00:29:17.839 --> 00:29:21.680
you know the these you know, empire rations are great

513
00:29:21.799 --> 00:29:25.119
and they don't have an expiration date because they're so toxic.

514
00:29:25.240 --> 00:29:27.680
They never did, never spoil, but they're on us, and

515
00:29:28.160 --> 00:29:30.519
you know, hey, I gotta go.

516
00:29:30.759 --> 00:29:33.319
That's that's uh. You know, sometimes I come up with

517
00:29:33.319 --> 00:29:35.160
a good question, and sometimes I come up with some

518
00:29:35.200 --> 00:29:36.880
fun ones. That was one of the ones that I

519
00:29:36.920 --> 00:29:40.680
thought needed to be discussed. All right, David, roll the

520
00:29:40.720 --> 00:29:41.759
tape on the next one.

521
00:29:41.799 --> 00:29:47.519
Buddy, You've all done remarkable service one of the most

522
00:29:47.559 --> 00:29:53.039
difficult conditions. You'll be receiving Starfleet's highest commendation and more

523
00:29:53.079 --> 00:29:55.240
importantly extended.

524
00:29:55.240 --> 00:29:57.839
Surely that is all.

525
00:29:57.839 --> 00:30:00.880
But you, mister Scott, they need you wisdom on the new.

526
00:30:00.759 --> 00:30:05.559
Excels here report there tomorrow is Captain of Engineering, with

527
00:30:05.599 --> 00:30:10.039
all appreciations, Sir, I prefer to supervise the refit of Enterprise.

528
00:30:10.599 --> 00:30:16.359
I'm afraid that won't be necessary, but sir, I'm sorry,

529
00:30:16.440 --> 00:30:20.359
mister Scott, but there will be no refit that wrong.

530
00:30:21.680 --> 00:30:25.720
I don't understand. The enterprise is Jim. The enterprise is

531
00:30:25.759 --> 00:30:30.680
twenty years old. We feel our days old. But we

532
00:30:30.799 --> 00:30:35.880
had requested we'd hope to take her back to Genesis.

533
00:30:37.279 --> 00:30:38.279
That is out of the question.

534
00:30:40.240 --> 00:30:43.000
All right, guys, So there's two reasons why I picked

535
00:30:43.000 --> 00:30:44.640
this one one, because I thought it would just be

536
00:30:44.680 --> 00:30:48.079
a fun discussion we could have. But more importantly, there's

537
00:30:48.119 --> 00:30:50.920
an admiral doing what ammals do best on Star Trek

538
00:30:51.000 --> 00:30:55.920
and that's kind of relevant to our show tonight. So Eric,

539
00:30:56.000 --> 00:30:57.680
what is the poll question?

540
00:30:58.359 --> 00:31:00.319
Well, that scene was of course from Star Trek three,

541
00:31:00.440 --> 00:31:03.279
the Search for Spock, and that was Admiral Morrow, and

542
00:31:03.319 --> 00:31:06.079
he said that, of course the Enterprise was twenty years old,

543
00:31:06.440 --> 00:31:08.799
her days are over and there'll be no refit. Do

544
00:31:08.880 --> 00:31:14.039
you agree with the decision? And eighteen percent of our

545
00:31:14.079 --> 00:31:17.960
pole respondents said yes, they agreed we need a new ship.

546
00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:23.279
And eighty two percent of our respondents did not agree

547
00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:31.119
with Admiral Morrow's extolling of the Brass's decision to decommission

548
00:31:31.960 --> 00:31:35.640
the Enterprise. So you know, my thoughts on this are

549
00:31:36.440 --> 00:31:39.359
starships are actually designed to last like one hundred years

550
00:31:39.480 --> 00:31:42.839
or more. And we see plenty of starships that are

551
00:31:43.960 --> 00:31:46.720
one hundred years old or is you know, sixty to

552
00:31:46.759 --> 00:31:51.839
eighty years old. Probably in Star Trek they can kind

553
00:31:51.839 --> 00:31:54.599
of be. They're actually designed design. David knows more about

554
00:31:54.640 --> 00:31:56.519
this than I do, but I think they're designed in

555
00:31:56.559 --> 00:31:58.680
some respects to be modular where you can like pop

556
00:31:58.759 --> 00:32:00.799
things out and pop new things in and kind of

557
00:32:00.880 --> 00:32:03.839
upgrade them and that sort of stuff. So the fact

558
00:32:03.839 --> 00:32:07.000
that I was twenty years old, I mean, okay, let's

559
00:32:07.039 --> 00:32:09.200
be clear. They needed to say that for the writing, right,

560
00:32:09.240 --> 00:32:11.279
there needed to be that drama moment, And so this

561
00:32:11.359 --> 00:32:13.720
is kind of one of those times when like they

562
00:32:13.720 --> 00:32:15.720
did it because they had to for the writing. But

563
00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:19.799
in reality, I think starships are actually designed to last

564
00:32:19.799 --> 00:32:23.720
a lot longer than twenty years. So so yeah, I mean,

565
00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:27.440
I can't say it was a bad decision because newer

566
00:32:27.440 --> 00:32:31.160
starships are always better, but there's a lot of nostalgia

567
00:32:31.200 --> 00:32:33.799
tied up, and I think our respondence answers on this one.

568
00:32:33.960 --> 00:32:34.599
That's my thought.

569
00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:40.720
Well, also, this is the original Enterprise, the original Constitution

570
00:32:40.839 --> 00:32:44.319
class from the original series, the only ship that returned

571
00:32:44.359 --> 00:32:46.839
to Earth, right as far well, I.

572
00:32:46.759 --> 00:32:51.359
Mean it is, but it's already been refit once, right, right,

573
00:32:51.960 --> 00:32:56.039
they changed all themselves. Like the thing looks totally in

574
00:32:56.079 --> 00:32:58.039
fact in all the start, in all the books, it's

575
00:32:58.039 --> 00:33:01.839
like somehow bigger too. It's like the whole different ship.

576
00:33:01.960 --> 00:33:05.359
So they have like eighty three decks or something in

577
00:33:05.480 --> 00:33:06.319
that one scene.

578
00:33:06.880 --> 00:33:10.519
Yeah, it's not the same ship. It's a new ship,

579
00:33:10.640 --> 00:33:13.160
but I think they threw that line in there just

580
00:33:13.200 --> 00:33:15.319
to let people know that, yeah, we're aware that this

581
00:33:15.440 --> 00:33:17.559
is the same ship. Blah blah blah. But you're right,

582
00:33:18.400 --> 00:33:20.400
I think a starship. We'll look at the kling On

583
00:33:20.440 --> 00:33:22.599
Birds of Prey. They've been around for hundreds of years.

584
00:33:23.000 --> 00:33:25.799
The Excelsior we see in Star Trek three is still

585
00:33:25.839 --> 00:33:29.119
being used, you know. So yeah, these starships have a

586
00:33:29.240 --> 00:33:32.319
very long life expectancy. So I think it was just

587
00:33:32.680 --> 00:33:35.359
you know, written in there as a form of drama

588
00:33:35.440 --> 00:33:38.440
so that they could steal the ship and YadA, YadA, YadA.

589
00:33:38.519 --> 00:33:41.279
So you know, I don't agree with his with his

590
00:33:41.359 --> 00:33:44.680
decision at all. So how about you, Charles.

591
00:33:48.079 --> 00:33:53.839
Okay, since we're going to go with our beyond, let's

592
00:33:53.839 --> 00:34:00.480
bring in Logan's run. Oh you're thirty, let's end you

593
00:34:00.559 --> 00:34:05.119
off to move on to the next plane. You're too old,

594
00:34:07.839 --> 00:34:11.639
even our own, But even our own. That's say naval ships.

595
00:34:13.360 --> 00:34:16.960
I know, ships that were in Vietnam that finally got retired,

596
00:34:18.760 --> 00:34:21.800
even some World War Two ships that finally got retired.

597
00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:27.119
We're talking a lifespan of a naval ship. I wouldn't

598
00:34:27.159 --> 00:34:30.559
be surprised, Like in forty sixty years, and yet we're

599
00:34:30.599 --> 00:34:33.519
saying we're going to get rid of a starship after

600
00:34:33.719 --> 00:34:40.000
twenty years. That's a short lifespan for a ship. And

601
00:34:40.039 --> 00:34:43.119
I was definitely one of them that agreed that no,

602
00:34:44.360 --> 00:34:46.920
this was way too early to sit there and dismiss

603
00:34:47.239 --> 00:34:47.920
such a ship.

604
00:34:51.320 --> 00:34:53.599
All right, how about you, David, what do you think

605
00:34:53.639 --> 00:34:57.159
Didmorrow make the right choice?

606
00:34:57.559 --> 00:35:00.679
I have to say no on this one, man, because

607
00:35:00.960 --> 00:35:04.239
I if you look at it in this perspective of

608
00:35:05.480 --> 00:35:14.000
an empire wide situation where you have ships that can

609
00:35:14.119 --> 00:35:16.880
still be used, even if it has to be like garbage,

610
00:35:16.880 --> 00:35:19.800
stalagy or whatever, you know. I mean, just the fact

611
00:35:19.840 --> 00:35:22.280
that they are old doesn't mean that you can't like

612
00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:25.840
what Eric said, you know, switching out modular situations and

613
00:35:25.880 --> 00:35:31.679
stuff like that. But the fact that they are gonna

614
00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:36.000
make this disappear, I think Eric's correct. Again, I do

615
00:35:36.079 --> 00:35:38.280
have to agree with you. It is just a lot

616
00:35:38.280 --> 00:35:40.719
of for nostalgic kind of stuff and the fact that

617
00:35:40.800 --> 00:35:44.440
you know, story written and whatnot. But I don't know.

618
00:35:44.599 --> 00:35:47.960
I think that they could still use the ship though,

619
00:35:48.000 --> 00:35:50.679
because there's just a lot of stuff that you can use,

620
00:35:51.079 --> 00:35:56.280
just even old stuff with So yeah, I'm still gonna

621
00:35:56.280 --> 00:35:58.079
say no on this one, though I kind of agree

622
00:35:58.239 --> 00:35:59.440
with our minions.

623
00:36:00.280 --> 00:36:02.920
All right, So Paul, you get to bring up the

624
00:36:02.920 --> 00:36:03.920
Caboosta on this one.

625
00:36:03.960 --> 00:36:07.119
Bother oh Man, when I first saw the Hadal Moral

626
00:36:07.159 --> 00:36:10.039
with that mustache, I thought it was mister Miltchik from

627
00:36:10.119 --> 00:36:15.039
Severance there for a minute, I was just a dead ringer. Yeah.

628
00:36:15.079 --> 00:36:18.559
As the oldest member of the Trekspert team, I would

629
00:36:18.599 --> 00:36:22.679
like to defend early retirement to people or objects or

630
00:36:22.719 --> 00:36:25.760
fictional creations before their time, because I think it's short

631
00:36:25.800 --> 00:36:28.320
sighted and older people may kill you if you try

632
00:36:28.320 --> 00:36:30.480
to do it right. So it just don't get on

633
00:36:30.519 --> 00:36:33.679
our bad side. We'll figure out a way to get

634
00:36:33.760 --> 00:36:35.159
even eventually to come.

635
00:36:35.760 --> 00:36:35.960
You know.

636
00:36:36.119 --> 00:36:38.480
It's just yeah, it's shortsighted, and it's just like it

637
00:36:38.599 --> 00:36:41.159
kind of in a way, it makes the movie feel dated, right,

638
00:36:41.280 --> 00:36:43.480
it's just like twenty years I mean, I agree with Charles,

639
00:36:43.519 --> 00:36:46.400
it's just like, you know, twenty years. I mean, yeah,

640
00:36:46.440 --> 00:36:48.800
both people driving a car, it's still twenty years old, right,

641
00:36:48.880 --> 00:36:52.000
I mean very often except for Eric is you know,

642
00:36:53.400 --> 00:36:57.679
you know atomic powered conveyance that he has, but I'll.

643
00:36:57.480 --> 00:36:59.599
Still be driving it in fifteen yea.

644
00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:02.480
Yeah, it's it's I think the minions are of their

645
00:37:02.559 --> 00:37:06.079
mind this time. No is right? Eighty percent people said no,

646
00:37:07.079 --> 00:37:10.119
he's wrong. I do not agree with the Admiral's decision.

647
00:37:10.239 --> 00:37:13.920
It's it's shortsighted and and definitely the hand of the plot.

648
00:37:14.119 --> 00:37:16.639
You know, we gotta come up with the way, you know,

649
00:37:16.960 --> 00:37:19.159
just by the behavior.

650
00:37:19.320 --> 00:37:23.000
So it's just you know, yeah, nonsense.

651
00:37:24.239 --> 00:37:27.199
All right, So guys, before we move on, and I'm

652
00:37:27.199 --> 00:37:29.360
going to be as surprised as you because I haven't

653
00:37:29.400 --> 00:37:31.679
seen anything that David and Eric have come up with.

654
00:37:31.760 --> 00:37:34.639
So we're going to be delving into strange new worlds

655
00:37:34.639 --> 00:37:37.840
and boldly going where no one has gone before. Together.

656
00:37:38.639 --> 00:37:41.320
But before we do that, what were where would you

657
00:37:41.360 --> 00:37:44.719
put Admiral Morrow on on the chart? Was is an

658
00:37:44.760 --> 00:37:47.199
evil admiral? Is he a good admiral? Where would you

659
00:37:47.480 --> 00:37:49.679
where would you stick them?

660
00:37:49.760 --> 00:37:51.400
Well, I mean I don't I don't know that this

661
00:37:51.519 --> 00:37:54.760
is Admiral Morrow's decision. This feels like top brass making

662
00:37:54.800 --> 00:37:57.320
a collective decision. So I don't know. It seems like

663
00:37:57.320 --> 00:38:01.960
a nice guy, you know, bad decision, but probably made

664
00:38:01.960 --> 00:38:04.199
by multiple people. So I don't know that we ever

665
00:38:04.239 --> 00:38:07.639
see him again. De he So there's not enough data

666
00:38:07.719 --> 00:38:11.360
to really make a determination as to whether he's evil

667
00:38:11.440 --> 00:38:11.760
or good.

668
00:38:12.199 --> 00:38:14.679
He's got a middle management, right, that's.

669
00:38:14.480 --> 00:38:16.760
What it feels like. Yeah, he's just a messenger.

670
00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:20.599
So when I looked him up on IMBD, if you

671
00:38:20.599 --> 00:38:22.880
look him up, he was supposed to be the admiral

672
00:38:23.239 --> 00:38:26.840
in star Trek six caught that works on the conspiracy,

673
00:38:27.400 --> 00:38:30.119
but he was unavailable for the part, so they recast

674
00:38:30.159 --> 00:38:32.880
it as Admiral Cartwright. But it was supposed to be

675
00:38:32.960 --> 00:38:36.920
Admiral Morrow, so that would have changed the whole thing

676
00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:39.679
had it been the same arm, but it wasn't definitely.

677
00:38:40.000 --> 00:38:42.159
All right, guys, So I'm going to turn it over

678
00:38:42.199 --> 00:38:44.719
to Eric right now and we're going to do our

679
00:38:44.800 --> 00:38:47.159
Admirals of Starfleet. So take it away, Eric.

680
00:38:47.599 --> 00:38:50.039
All right, guys. Well, this week we are, of course

681
00:38:50.079 --> 00:38:53.800
talking about evil admirals. We're going to talk about six

682
00:38:53.960 --> 00:38:56.800
admirals that may or may not exactly fall into that

683
00:38:56.880 --> 00:38:59.639
evil category. But I'm excited about the potential discussion that

684
00:38:59.679 --> 00:39:02.719
we can have about these people. This is called Starfleet

685
00:39:02.760 --> 00:39:05.639
Admirals Part one because I anticipate in the future we

686
00:39:05.719 --> 00:39:08.920
may want to talk about admirals again. So I'm not

687
00:39:08.960 --> 00:39:10.480
going to tell you who we're going to talk about.

688
00:39:10.760 --> 00:39:12.800
David's gonna roll a clip and then we're gonna have

689
00:39:12.840 --> 00:39:14.840
a fun conversation about each one.

690
00:39:15.079 --> 00:39:25.320
So David, take it away, take it away.

691
00:39:26.400 --> 00:39:31.079
Here we go. We don't have any sad.

692
00:39:32.039 --> 00:39:34.599
I will take this to the Federation Council. I'm acting

693
00:39:34.679 --> 00:39:36.599
on orders from the Federation Council.

694
00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:40.159
How can there be an order to abandon the prime directive?

695
00:39:40.440 --> 00:39:41.840
Prime directive doesn't apply.

696
00:39:42.320 --> 00:39:44.599
These people are not indigenous this planet.

697
00:39:44.599 --> 00:39:46.280
They were never meant to be immortal.

698
00:39:47.159 --> 00:39:49.960
We'll simply be restoring them to their natural evolution.

699
00:39:50.760 --> 00:39:53.199
Who the hell are we to determine the next course

700
00:39:53.199 --> 00:39:54.480
of evolution for these people?

701
00:39:54.519 --> 00:39:58.559
Don't look, there are six hundred people down there. We'll

702
00:39:58.559 --> 00:40:01.360
be able to use the regenerative properties of this radiation

703
00:40:01.519 --> 00:40:06.119
to help billions. The Sona have developed a procedure to

704
00:40:06.159 --> 00:40:09.159
collect the metaphasic particles from the planet's rings.

705
00:40:09.480 --> 00:40:12.199
A planet in Federation space. That's right.

706
00:40:13.000 --> 00:40:16.639
We have the planet, they have the technology, a technology

707
00:40:16.719 --> 00:40:18.199
we can't duplicate.

708
00:40:18.840 --> 00:40:23.440
You know what that makes us partners?

709
00:40:25.320 --> 00:40:30.280
Our partners are nothing more than petty thugs on Earth.

710
00:40:31.159 --> 00:40:34.000
Petroleum once turned petty thugs into world leaders.

711
00:40:34.360 --> 00:40:37.920
Warp Drive transformed a bunch of romulent thugs into an empire.

712
00:40:38.039 --> 00:40:41.360
We can handle the Sona and not worried about that.

713
00:40:41.800 --> 00:40:44.519
Someone probably said the same thing about the romulans.

714
00:40:44.639 --> 00:40:49.800
Essentially ago, With metaphasics, lifespans will be doubled, an entire

715
00:40:49.960 --> 00:40:51.679
new medical science will evolve.

716
00:40:52.480 --> 00:40:54.639
I understand your chief engineer has the use of his

717
00:40:54.719 --> 00:40:55.159
eyes for.

718
00:40:55.119 --> 00:40:58.119
The first time in his life. Would you take that

719
00:40:58.239 --> 00:41:02.039
away from him? That are metaphasic particles all over the

720
00:41:02.039 --> 00:41:04.440
Brier patch. Why does it have to be this one planet.

721
00:41:04.559 --> 00:41:06.719
It's the concentration in the rings that makes the whole

722
00:41:06.800 --> 00:41:07.519
damn thing work.

723
00:41:07.639 --> 00:41:08.960
Don't ask me to explain it.

724
00:41:09.000 --> 00:41:09.440
I only know.

725
00:41:09.480 --> 00:41:12.840
They inject something into the rings that starts a thermolytic reaction.

726
00:41:13.320 --> 00:41:16.599
When it's over, the planet will be uninhabitable for generations.

727
00:41:17.760 --> 00:41:18.920
Delay the procedure.

728
00:41:19.199 --> 00:41:22.400
Let my people look at the technology our best scientific

729
00:41:22.440 --> 00:41:23.320
minds already have.

730
00:41:24.119 --> 00:41:27.119
We can't find any other way to do this. Then

731
00:41:27.159 --> 00:41:29.840
the Sona can establish a separate colony on the planet.

732
00:41:29.920 --> 00:41:32.440
Until we do, it would take ten years of normal

733
00:41:32.480 --> 00:41:35.760
exposure to begin to reverse their condition. Some of them

734
00:41:35.760 --> 00:41:39.360
won't survive that long side. They don't want to live

735
00:41:39.360 --> 00:41:42.880
in the middle of the Brier Patch, who would.

736
00:41:43.679 --> 00:41:53.239
The Baku. We are betraying the principles upon which the

737
00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:58.440
Federation was founded. It's an attack upon It's very simple.

738
00:42:03.960 --> 00:42:08.239
All right. So obviously that was Admiral Doherty from Star

739
00:42:08.280 --> 00:42:11.400
Trek Insurrection, David. I think we have a still image

740
00:42:11.400 --> 00:42:15.679
of him to bring up there he is, So this one,

741
00:42:15.719 --> 00:42:17.639
to me is pretty cut and dry. This guy seems

742
00:42:17.639 --> 00:42:20.960
pretty evil. But it sounds once again to me like

743
00:42:21.000 --> 00:42:23.800
the orders are coming from up above, like Starfleet has

744
00:42:23.840 --> 00:42:26.320
talked about this and this is the way Starfleet wants

745
00:42:26.360 --> 00:42:28.559
to do it. So I don't know what are your

746
00:42:28.559 --> 00:42:32.119
guys' thoughts on Doherty. Is he just the messenger? Is

747
00:42:32.159 --> 00:42:35.800
he an evil admiral who's actually made a decision here?

748
00:42:36.400 --> 00:42:37.280
What's going on here?

749
00:42:39.239 --> 00:42:41.239
Well, first of all, this is one of the best

750
00:42:41.239 --> 00:42:46.440
parts of this movie right here. Actually, and Jean Luke

751
00:42:46.559 --> 00:42:49.280
like he is demand, isn't he? I mean, when it

752
00:42:49.320 --> 00:42:51.760
comes to ethics, this is the man you go to.

753
00:42:52.360 --> 00:42:55.239
I mean, this guy calls it like it is. He's about,

754
00:42:55.599 --> 00:42:57.880
you know, as straight as a straight shooter can be.

755
00:42:58.760 --> 00:43:02.000
But I think that Admiral Doherty is acting on his

756
00:43:02.079 --> 00:43:05.920
own basically because he orders the sonya the Sona to

757
00:43:06.000 --> 00:43:08.719
destroy the Enterprise before they can leave the Briar Patch

758
00:43:08.800 --> 00:43:11.320
to send a signal back to Starfleet. I think that

759
00:43:11.400 --> 00:43:13.960
he's hoping that by the time Starfleet finds out what's

760
00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:16.599
going on, the damage will be done and they'll have

761
00:43:16.679 --> 00:43:20.480
this chemical and the ends will justify the means. So

762
00:43:20.679 --> 00:43:26.840
I think that he's definitely misplaced, misled, and doesn't know

763
00:43:26.880 --> 00:43:29.639
what he's doing. He missed his Starfleet Ethics course. He

764
00:43:29.719 --> 00:43:33.280
must have been out sick that day. But yeah, I

765
00:43:33.320 --> 00:43:38.000
think that he's acting on his own and hoping that

766
00:43:38.079 --> 00:43:43.760
he can get the Enterprise destroyed before Starfleet finds out

767
00:43:43.760 --> 00:43:46.519
about what he's doing. So I classify him as evil

768
00:43:46.559 --> 00:43:49.800
all the way, and that's what I'm going to say,

769
00:43:49.800 --> 00:43:50.880
and I'm sticking to it.

770
00:43:51.039 --> 00:43:53.440
So you think he's lying when he says that this

771
00:43:53.599 --> 00:43:55.559
is orders are from Federation.

772
00:43:55.719 --> 00:43:59.920
I think that he is, because you can't get communications

773
00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:02.679
out of the Briar Patch as long as the Enterprise

774
00:44:02.840 --> 00:44:05.559
is in there. As long as they're in there, nobody

775
00:44:05.639 --> 00:44:08.239
knows what's going on. And when he orders the Enterprise

776
00:44:08.360 --> 00:44:11.280
to be destroyed before they get out of the Brier Patch,

777
00:44:11.920 --> 00:44:14.840
that tells me that he doesn't want Starfleet to know

778
00:44:14.880 --> 00:44:17.159
what's going on inside.

779
00:44:17.000 --> 00:44:18.039
Getting rid of the evidence.

780
00:44:18.199 --> 00:44:21.239
Okay, I think maybe I'm reading into it too much.

781
00:44:21.920 --> 00:44:25.000
They don't actually say that in the movie. But I

782
00:44:25.039 --> 00:44:27.280
can't think of any other reason why he would want

783
00:44:27.320 --> 00:44:32.039
to destroy a Federation starship. So that's what I'm saying.

784
00:44:32.039 --> 00:44:38.440
What do you think, Charles, Well, okay, why wasn't Starfleet

785
00:44:38.800 --> 00:44:43.920
notifying it? Pericard on this earlier and we'll just happen

786
00:44:44.039 --> 00:44:45.480
to come on board ship.

787
00:44:45.239 --> 00:44:48.360
And then says that he's in charge and this is

788
00:44:48.400 --> 00:44:50.039
what Starfleet wants.

789
00:44:51.719 --> 00:44:58.480
I don't see the evidence that claims that he's working

790
00:44:58.519 --> 00:45:03.239
in Starfleet's perhalf proof. And I agree with Jim saying

791
00:45:03.280 --> 00:45:07.039
I think he's hiding something and trying to work more

792
00:45:07.079 --> 00:45:11.159
on his own than he may be representing star Fleet.

793
00:45:11.440 --> 00:45:14.199
He may be representing a part of star Fleet, not

794
00:45:14.360 --> 00:45:20.079
Aster as a whole. So I agree with Jim Evil Admiral.

795
00:45:21.320 --> 00:45:27.320
I think David, I actually agree with you guys. I

796
00:45:27.360 --> 00:45:32.119
think he went complete rogue. I agree with what Jim

797
00:45:32.159 --> 00:45:35.320
and Charles said, and probably what Paul would be saying.

798
00:45:35.360 --> 00:45:39.480
He shortly, but I yeah, I think he went completely rogue,

799
00:45:39.599 --> 00:45:42.480
and he probably got bribed or something, or maybe he

800
00:45:42.599 --> 00:45:44.400
was just wanting to get a face lift or something.

801
00:45:44.440 --> 00:45:48.119
I have no idea, but definitely definitely got that.

802
00:45:48.119 --> 00:45:48.920
That's for sure.

803
00:45:49.440 --> 00:45:50.559
He got a face lift.

804
00:45:51.639 --> 00:45:53.079
So I don't know either way.

805
00:45:53.800 --> 00:45:57.920
Yeah, I think he'd see evil side on this close show.

806
00:45:58.519 --> 00:46:03.000
Yeap, Paul, refresh my memory because I I've been trying

807
00:46:03.000 --> 00:46:05.639
to put this in on my mind for a few years.

808
00:46:07.119 --> 00:46:09.000
After actively trying to get it out for so long.

809
00:46:09.079 --> 00:46:11.559
Yeah, does he does he face a come up? And

810
00:46:11.840 --> 00:46:13.360
how does he does? Yeah?

811
00:46:13.519 --> 00:46:17.360
So at the end he actually has a showdown with

812
00:46:17.639 --> 00:46:25.360
the sona bad guy May Abraham and who puts him

813
00:46:25.360 --> 00:46:29.559
in the like face stretching machine and gets he stretched

814
00:46:29.599 --> 00:46:32.239
so he gets his just desserts in the end.

815
00:46:32.559 --> 00:46:38.679
Okay, Yeah, yeah, I would you know, we talked. I

816
00:46:38.719 --> 00:46:40.119
want to just go back to the beginning of what

817
00:46:40.159 --> 00:46:42.880
you said, is is he just middle management? And you

818
00:46:42.920 --> 00:46:45.760
know therefore, is that you know that whole thing right,

819
00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:48.159
he's just following orders? Right as I I think that,

820
00:46:48.239 --> 00:46:49.880
you know, I I agree with what you're all saying.

821
00:46:49.880 --> 00:46:51.719
It is all like that. It sounds like he's you know,

822
00:46:51.800 --> 00:46:55.679
kind of you know, extending his authority and you know,

823
00:46:55.760 --> 00:46:58.679
kind of creating a lot of hyperbole for what he

824
00:46:58.719 --> 00:47:03.159
wants to get away with. Right. But again it's just

825
00:47:03.239 --> 00:47:04.760
going right back to what we were talking about with

826
00:47:04.800 --> 00:47:07.039
that pole question. Right, I want something, therefore I am

827
00:47:07.159 --> 00:47:10.119
entitled to take it, right, and that is that is

828
00:47:10.480 --> 00:47:13.199
that is you know, that line of reasoning gets all

829
00:47:13.280 --> 00:47:18.000
kinds of problems for folks, right, And so you become

830
00:47:18.039 --> 00:47:20.880
a thief then. And I never will give anybody in

831
00:47:20.920 --> 00:47:25.559
middle management a pass, right, because the problem is you

832
00:47:25.639 --> 00:47:30.400
are if you're complicit with evil, right, you're allowing it

833
00:47:30.440 --> 00:47:33.119
to flourish. You're enabling it right by not stepping up,

834
00:47:33.199 --> 00:47:35.760
like you know, the the guards at Auschwitz. Right.

835
00:47:35.800 --> 00:47:38.519
It's just like, oh, I don't know if it's a problem, right,

836
00:47:38.559 --> 00:47:40.719
it's you're I made the decision. I'm just you know,

837
00:47:40.760 --> 00:47:44.079
you have to make sure the motor porter works, okay, right,

838
00:47:44.280 --> 00:47:46.639
you know, I mean yeah, yeah, dude, But you're still

839
00:47:46.719 --> 00:47:51.159
enabling evil, right, You're complicit, right because you're going along

840
00:47:51.239 --> 00:47:55.480
with what is you know, wrong and evil. So yeah, sorry,

841
00:47:55.559 --> 00:47:58.000
Dougherty or whatever your name is, but you're.

842
00:47:58.079 --> 00:47:58.840
You're a bastard.

843
00:47:58.960 --> 00:48:02.039
So yeah, bye bye.

844
00:48:02.119 --> 00:48:04.320
Hop on getting your face drudge, bye bye.

845
00:48:05.719 --> 00:48:08.239
And I think that we're gonna see we may see

846
00:48:08.280 --> 00:48:13.679
this this theme in the future here with with other?

847
00:48:13.840 --> 00:48:18.679
Are you there, Eric, Eric h I'm here.

848
00:48:18.800 --> 00:48:20.280
Oh no, I'm here.

849
00:48:20.400 --> 00:48:21.039
There, there we go.

850
00:48:21.760 --> 00:48:24.159
I can still we lost you for a minute, there, buddy.

851
00:48:24.400 --> 00:48:30.719
Okay, okay, oh yeah yeah, keep waiting. Okay, So you'll

852
00:48:30.800 --> 00:48:32.679
kind of see this theme, I think repeated in a

853
00:48:32.679 --> 00:48:34.880
couple of our admirals, of them trying to cover up

854
00:48:35.639 --> 00:48:39.119
mistakes that are being made. So but this next one

855
00:48:39.199 --> 00:48:41.639
is something a little different. So let's go with Admiral

856
00:48:41.679 --> 00:48:45.320
number two, David Roll the tape.

857
00:48:46.719 --> 00:48:49.199
You know, there are some words I've known some times

858
00:48:49.119 --> 00:48:55.119
a schoolboy. But the first link chase is forged.

859
00:48:55.480 --> 00:49:01.039
First speech, censure, the first thought forbidden, first freedom denied,

860
00:49:01.880 --> 00:49:07.880
change us all irrevvantly. Those words were uttered by Judge

861
00:49:08.079 --> 00:49:15.039
Aaron Satie, his wisdom and warning the first time any

862
00:49:15.159 --> 00:49:18.639
man's freedom is trodmar.

863
00:49:19.679 --> 00:49:24.119
We're all damaged. I fear that day.

864
00:49:24.360 --> 00:49:30.119
Oh dare you, you who can fult with prominence invoke

865
00:49:30.280 --> 00:49:33.760
my father's name to support your traitorous arguments.

866
00:49:34.599 --> 00:49:37.039
It is an offense to everything.

867
00:49:36.480 --> 00:49:39.920
I owe, Dear, and you hear those words used to

868
00:49:40.000 --> 00:49:42.480
subvert the United veneration of planets.

869
00:49:43.320 --> 00:49:45.119
My father was a great man.

870
00:49:46.440 --> 00:49:49.199
Is named down for integrity of principle.

871
00:49:50.519 --> 00:49:53.199
You dirty his name when you stake it.

872
00:49:54.039 --> 00:49:56.199
He loved the generations.

873
00:49:56.440 --> 00:49:57.719
Correct and corrupted.

874
00:49:58.360 --> 00:50:00.559
You underline, are very well of life.

875
00:50:01.679 --> 00:50:03.800
I would extold you for what you are.

876
00:50:05.039 --> 00:50:07.719
I profound bigger than the few pick cod.

877
00:50:16.599 --> 00:50:47.559
Day you would say, Okay, this of course is Admiral

878
00:50:47.880 --> 00:50:51.800
Nora Ceti And this is from probably well, in my opinion,

879
00:50:51.840 --> 00:50:55.039
one of the top five episodes of Next Generation of

880
00:50:55.079 --> 00:50:56.320
all time, The Drumhead.

881
00:50:57.239 --> 00:50:59.280
You'll remember that in this episode she sort of goes

882
00:50:59.320 --> 00:51:02.559
on a witch hunt. She is trying to find out

883
00:51:02.719 --> 00:51:06.199
and sleuth out a conspiracy, and unfortunately she goes after

884
00:51:06.840 --> 00:51:11.280
this wonderful crew member, Simon Tarcist and just lays into him.

885
00:51:12.239 --> 00:51:15.079
And it turns out he does have a secret, but

886
00:51:15.119 --> 00:51:17.039
it's not the secret she's looking for. But that doesn't

887
00:51:17.039 --> 00:51:21.480
seem to matter to her, so to me nourise at

888
00:51:22.360 --> 00:51:25.440
in her own mind thought she was doing the right

889
00:51:25.519 --> 00:51:29.119
thing right, and almost all good bad guys that you

890
00:51:29.239 --> 00:51:32.800
see in media think that they're doing the right thing.

891
00:51:33.400 --> 00:51:36.280
But in this case, she went on a witch hunt

892
00:51:36.559 --> 00:51:39.960
and she probably destroyed or almost destroyed a young man's

893
00:51:40.000 --> 00:51:41.920
life in the process. And I wanted to show this

894
00:51:42.079 --> 00:51:44.800
last scene of her kind of losing it, because I

895
00:51:44.800 --> 00:51:48.360
think this is sort of when she realizes what she's done.

896
00:51:48.880 --> 00:51:51.119
But I would love to hear what you guys have

897
00:51:51.199 --> 00:51:55.199
to say about Noise a T and like maybe even

898
00:51:55.199 --> 00:51:58.039
this episode in general. I just love it so much.

899
00:51:59.199 --> 00:52:02.320
Well, again, have Jean Luke being the moral compass of

900
00:52:02.400 --> 00:52:05.199
Star Trek like he always does and does so well.

901
00:52:05.760 --> 00:52:09.519
I think that's something that might be lacking a little

902
00:52:09.559 --> 00:52:12.960
bit from current Star Trek iterations. We need a moral compass,

903
00:52:13.440 --> 00:52:15.400
We need somebody to look up to, someone that will

904
00:52:15.400 --> 00:52:17.480
stand up and do the right thing, even when they're

905
00:52:17.480 --> 00:52:20.280
in the minority, who's not afraid to do the right thing.

906
00:52:20.840 --> 00:52:24.639
And that's Jean Luke all the way. So kudos to

907
00:52:24.719 --> 00:52:27.519
Jean Luke. Yeah, I think this was an episode was great,

908
00:52:27.519 --> 00:52:31.320
and I think that she she meant well. I think

909
00:52:31.360 --> 00:52:35.039
she thought what she was doing was good, but in

910
00:52:35.079 --> 00:52:37.480
the end, she was just she drank the kool aid,

911
00:52:38.519 --> 00:52:41.440
she wore the hat, and she went for it and

912
00:52:41.519 --> 00:52:44.519
she went too far. And you know, she should have

913
00:52:44.599 --> 00:52:48.239
noticed that and jumped back, but she didn't because she

914
00:52:48.360 --> 00:52:50.440
was too far in over her head. She was too

915
00:52:50.519 --> 00:52:53.480
convinced that what she was doing was the right thing,

916
00:52:53.920 --> 00:52:55.920
and that what she was doing was trying to save

917
00:52:56.480 --> 00:53:01.360
the Federation from itself. God, that sounds familiar. Where where

918
00:53:01.400 --> 00:53:07.320
have I heard that? Anyways, what a topic. We could

919
00:53:07.360 --> 00:53:09.679
talk about that for the rest of the show. But

920
00:53:09.760 --> 00:53:12.719
at any rate, Yeah, that's what I think. I think

921
00:53:12.760 --> 00:53:16.599
she's definitely evil. I think she was corrupt. I don't

922
00:53:16.599 --> 00:53:20.119
think she started evil like Doherty, who clearly was evil

923
00:53:20.119 --> 00:53:22.280
and knew what he was doing was evil. But she

924
00:53:23.559 --> 00:53:26.920
didn't start evil but ended up being evil because she

925
00:53:27.000 --> 00:53:29.920
couldn't stop when she started going. So I'm going to

926
00:53:30.000 --> 00:53:32.639
put her in the evil category, do you.

927
00:53:32.639 --> 00:53:33.039
Think, Paul?

928
00:53:34.000 --> 00:53:36.199
Yeah, Well, first of all, I mean the great Gene

929
00:53:36.199 --> 00:53:39.480
Simmons right from Spartacus and every other thing. I mean,

930
00:53:39.519 --> 00:53:44.199
just remarkable performance. This elevates star trek and science fiction

931
00:53:44.239 --> 00:53:46.559
to a higher level. Right, This is the kind of

932
00:53:46.559 --> 00:53:47.920
thing that you want writing to do.

933
00:53:48.159 --> 00:53:48.320
Right.

934
00:53:48.360 --> 00:53:52.360
It's amazing, and it's just great because it's so relevant

935
00:53:52.400 --> 00:53:54.920
to the times that pretty much everybody lives in, right,

936
00:53:54.920 --> 00:53:57.000
at least in the twentieth century. Right, when you have

937
00:53:57.199 --> 00:54:00.159
somebody who is in a position of power, and this

938
00:54:00.199 --> 00:54:03.880
is one of the great risks of any conflict or war, right,

939
00:54:04.039 --> 00:54:06.800
is you start to identify who the enemy is, and

940
00:54:06.840 --> 00:54:11.519
then everybody who is identifiable as being like that enemy

941
00:54:11.599 --> 00:54:15.199
becomes less than a human being. This is how Japanese

942
00:54:15.280 --> 00:54:18.559
were interned here in America. This is what's going on

943
00:54:18.760 --> 00:54:22.000
and more conflicts on the planet that I can name

944
00:54:22.159 --> 00:54:26.320
right now, and it's in the vilification of dark skinned

945
00:54:26.320 --> 00:54:29.639
people in this country right right now. It's just it's

946
00:54:29.719 --> 00:54:35.760
the xenophobic and racist viewpoint that is given the mantle

947
00:54:35.800 --> 00:54:40.840
of authority, right to to basically ruin with impunity, to

948
00:54:41.000 --> 00:54:44.920
pluck people off the streets with no legal authority, no process,

949
00:54:45.119 --> 00:54:49.760
and ruined lives, to kill people with impunity. I mean,

950
00:54:49.760 --> 00:54:54.159
she's as absolutely evil as they go. She's the definition

951
00:54:54.239 --> 00:54:57.000
of fascism, all.

952
00:54:56.960 --> 00:54:58.000
Right, Charles, what do you think?

953
00:55:00.039 --> 00:55:02.440
I kind of stretch on what Paul said. I had

954
00:55:02.480 --> 00:55:05.000
to look up the word I was looking for, and

955
00:55:05.079 --> 00:55:10.360
that was McCarthyism. Let's look for the communism, let's look

956
00:55:10.400 --> 00:55:14.480
for the communists. Star Trek was going back talking about history,

957
00:55:16.360 --> 00:55:21.519
let's find let's fine the witches to burn, and I

958
00:55:21.519 --> 00:55:23.760
think all she wanted to do was focus on trying

959
00:55:23.760 --> 00:55:31.480
to find somebody to burn to solve her cause and

960
00:55:32.599 --> 00:55:38.480
sacrificing people just to satisfy your need for that is evil.

961
00:55:39.320 --> 00:55:42.119
It's not something that needs to be done in Starfleet.

962
00:55:44.480 --> 00:55:47.239
So definitely, I think she's on the evil. Definitely on

963
00:55:47.320 --> 00:55:49.320
the evil. So ending with the evil Admirals.

964
00:55:51.400 --> 00:55:52.159
What do you think, David?

965
00:55:53.440 --> 00:55:57.440
Yeah, I I'm kind of in an agreement with Jim

966
00:55:57.480 --> 00:56:01.159
here that she didn't start out evil. Like everybody, you know,

967
00:56:01.199 --> 00:56:03.840
they go through life, they try to do good, they

968
00:56:03.880 --> 00:56:07.679
try to do what they could do to you know,

969
00:56:07.760 --> 00:56:10.199
lead others and everything. But I think at the end

970
00:56:10.320 --> 00:56:13.280
what she ended up doing was she just she could

971
00:56:13.360 --> 00:56:15.880
got the better of it or something. So she just

972
00:56:16.079 --> 00:56:19.679
ended up fistating on that and she just couldn't let

973
00:56:19.679 --> 00:56:24.000
it go, and ultimately it led to what we should

974
00:56:24.039 --> 00:56:28.920
here now as her being what she is. And yeah,

975
00:56:29.119 --> 00:56:31.480
I would have to put it on the evils listed well,

976
00:56:31.599 --> 00:56:35.920
so that's probably what I would wait as.

977
00:56:37.000 --> 00:56:41.800
An Unlike Doherty, we actually don't know what happens with

978
00:56:42.320 --> 00:56:45.400
Settee here, like the trial ends and she sort of

979
00:56:45.440 --> 00:56:46.000
loses it.

980
00:56:46.119 --> 00:56:47.719
But yeah, as far as.

981
00:56:47.559 --> 00:56:51.639
We know, there's really no consequences for her for ruining

982
00:56:51.800 --> 00:56:52.920
Simon Tarcis's life.

983
00:56:52.920 --> 00:56:55.280
He's clearly in line with the shawna, look at how

984
00:56:55.519 --> 00:56:56.960
facelifts we had.

985
00:56:57.519 --> 00:57:00.800
And so look on that other admirals. When he's in

986
00:57:00.800 --> 00:57:08.000
the chair. Yeah, he's just so underplays it right, it's

987
00:57:08.079 --> 00:57:10.320
just great. And then he just gets up. You know

988
00:57:10.400 --> 00:57:12.679
what happens when he gets up and walks out, It

989
00:57:12.840 --> 00:57:18.599
is totally yeah, amazing, right he no dialogue.

990
00:57:18.800 --> 00:57:19.320
Just oan.

991
00:57:19.480 --> 00:57:20.880
That moment volumes.

992
00:57:21.239 --> 00:57:24.880
It's great, cool all right, well, definitely one of the

993
00:57:24.880 --> 00:57:27.119
best episodes, one of the best scenes of Star Trek ever.

994
00:57:27.239 --> 00:57:30.920
So thank you Norris a Tee for bringing that to us.

995
00:57:31.280 --> 00:57:33.639
So on to Admiral number three, David Roll the tape.

996
00:57:34.880 --> 00:57:36.960
Remember when we were on the Okinawa fighting the zen

997
00:57:37.039 --> 00:57:39.480
Kathy that time when I wanted to take the ship

998
00:57:39.519 --> 00:57:41.760
into an asteroid belt to chase down those three.

999
00:57:41.599 --> 00:57:44.719
Raiders, and I said it was an unnecessary risk.

1000
00:57:45.159 --> 00:57:48.239
You spoke your mind, which is exactly what a good

1001
00:57:48.239 --> 00:57:49.760
executive officer is supposed to do.

1002
00:57:50.360 --> 00:57:52.159
But I overruled you.

1003
00:57:55.280 --> 00:57:58.000
After the staff meeting, you followed me.

1004
00:57:57.960 --> 00:58:01.159
Into my reading room trying to argue your point.

1005
00:58:01.159 --> 00:58:05.599
Again. That's right, I did. And remember what I told you.

1006
00:58:07.280 --> 00:58:09.920
That a good officer must respect the.

1007
00:58:09.920 --> 00:58:14.760
Chain of command, that there comes a time when you

1008
00:58:14.840 --> 00:58:18.760
must accept the orders of a superior officer and carry

1009
00:58:18.760 --> 00:58:20.920
out those orders, whether you agree with them or not.

1010
00:58:21.639 --> 00:58:23.760
I also told you that when you became a CEO,

1011
00:58:24.000 --> 00:58:26.559
you'd feel the same way, and you.

1012
00:58:26.519 --> 00:58:30.559
Were right about going after the Sanctity and about me.

1013
00:58:33.280 --> 00:58:37.039
Without the chain of command, Starfleet would cease to function

1014
00:58:37.400 --> 00:58:46.559
and we wouldn't stand a chance against our enemies. I'm

1015
00:58:46.639 --> 00:58:50.679
still your commanding officer, and now more than ever, I

1016
00:58:51.039 --> 00:58:54.000
need you to respect my authority, and.

1017
00:58:54.000 --> 00:58:56.840
I cannot do that, not this time.

1018
00:59:00.119 --> 00:59:04.400
As of now, I'm releading you of your post as

1019
00:59:04.480 --> 00:59:07.440
temporary head of Earth Security and sending you back to

1020
00:59:07.440 --> 00:59:10.239
Deep Space nine.

1021
00:59:11.800 --> 00:59:18.960
Go home, Ben, you don't belong here.

1022
00:59:19.079 --> 00:59:21.760
All right. This, of course, is Admiral Layton, which we

1023
00:59:21.800 --> 00:59:25.280
know from the DS nine episodes home Front and Paradise Lost,

1024
00:59:25.360 --> 00:59:28.079
both of which are kind of buried in that season

1025
00:59:28.119 --> 00:59:33.039
four Dominion War sort of story. And in case you

1026
00:59:33.880 --> 00:59:37.039
don't remember what's going on here, Admiral Layton felt so

1027
00:59:37.159 --> 00:59:39.840
strongly about the changeling threat, remember the change links had

1028
00:59:39.880 --> 00:59:43.599
just been discovered, that he organized a military coup d'eta

1029
00:59:43.880 --> 00:59:46.199
in an attempt to safeguard the Federation from the Gamma

1030
00:59:46.360 --> 00:59:51.159
Quadrant invaders. He ordered Captain Benteen Erica Benteen of the

1031
00:59:51.239 --> 00:59:54.639
USS Lakota to intercept the Defiant and prevent them from

1032
00:59:54.679 --> 00:59:58.719
reaching Earth, telling her that the entire crew of the

1033
00:59:58.719 --> 01:00:02.519
Defiant had been replaced by change links. Thankfully, he was,

1034
01:00:02.559 --> 01:00:06.840
of course, stopped by Benjamin Cisco. So, for me, Leyton

1035
01:00:06.960 --> 01:00:10.559
is one of these admirals, like so many admirals, who

1036
01:00:10.639 --> 01:00:13.920
makes a decision based out of fear. He doesn't have

1037
01:00:13.920 --> 01:00:17.159
any evidence, he doesn't really know what's going on, but

1038
01:00:17.280 --> 01:00:20.440
he wants to accomplish a task, and so he uses

1039
01:00:20.519 --> 01:00:23.000
the concept of fear to sort of make it happen.

1040
01:00:23.079 --> 01:00:26.159
And that, for me, is what makes Layton a bad guy,

1041
01:00:26.199 --> 01:00:30.599
because he doesn't really consider the thirty thousand foot view

1042
01:00:30.679 --> 01:00:35.239
consequences of what he's doing. Yeah, who wants to start

1043
01:00:35.280 --> 01:00:35.719
on this one?

1044
01:00:36.719 --> 01:00:39.360
Well, first of all, I think this is a perfect

1045
01:00:39.400 --> 01:00:41.320
example of what's going on right now in the United

1046
01:00:41.360 --> 01:00:44.639
States of America. You know, we have all these people

1047
01:00:44.679 --> 01:00:47.760
out there that are being controlled using fear. We have

1048
01:00:47.800 --> 01:00:50.679
a leader that's using fear. We have a leader that

1049
01:00:51.760 --> 01:00:55.599
one of these days, well, let me back up. Layton

1050
01:00:56.760 --> 01:01:00.440
turns around and puts Earth under Marshall la Off. I

1051
01:01:00.480 --> 01:01:04.239
remember the episode correctly. Once he does that, he's able

1052
01:01:04.280 --> 01:01:08.119
to assume total control of everything, and that's how this

1053
01:01:08.159 --> 01:01:11.480
whole ball starts rolling. He uses fear to get the

1054
01:01:11.519 --> 01:01:16.480
Federation Council to issue martial law, thereby taking total control.

1055
01:01:17.000 --> 01:01:20.960
Sounds extremely familiar with what's going on in the United

1056
01:01:21.000 --> 01:01:25.320
States right now, so guys be aware. So yeah, this

1057
01:01:25.400 --> 01:01:28.280
guy is about as fascist as fascist can be. He

1058
01:01:28.360 --> 01:01:30.679
thinks he's doing the right well, just like the other admiral.

1059
01:01:30.800 --> 01:01:33.039
He thinks he's doing the right thing. He thinks he's

1060
01:01:33.159 --> 01:01:37.639
saving the Federation, when in reality, he's betraying it. He's

1061
01:01:37.679 --> 01:01:41.760
betraying everything that the Federation stands for. Cisco knows that.

1062
01:01:41.880 --> 01:01:45.840
I really wish Picard had beamed into this scene and

1063
01:01:45.920 --> 01:01:48.000
given one of his speeches, because this would have been

1064
01:01:48.039 --> 01:01:55.280
a perfect Picard speech right there. Might drop for Picard.

1065
01:01:53.679 --> 01:01:57.039
To Cisco like, no, I'm not gonna do it. Though

1066
01:01:57.599 --> 01:02:00.360
he always respect about Cisco, he's not. He's not the

1067
01:02:00.360 --> 01:02:02.480
guy he talks to Q. He's the guy who punches

1068
01:02:02.519 --> 01:02:03.039
Q in the face.

1069
01:02:03.960 --> 01:02:10.719
So I think, and again, I don't think he's necessarily evil.

1070
01:02:10.760 --> 01:02:13.880
I think he's misled. I think that he drank the

1071
01:02:13.920 --> 01:02:19.719
kool aid. He believes his own bullshit and so but yeah,

1072
01:02:19.840 --> 01:02:22.280
he's definitely a bad guy for sure. He needs the

1073
01:02:22.320 --> 01:02:26.000
face stretching is what he needs. And the other thing

1074
01:02:26.000 --> 01:02:29.039
that he does is he surrounds himself with sycophants. You know,

1075
01:02:29.119 --> 01:02:31.960
if you don't agree with me, you're fired. Jeez, does

1076
01:02:32.000 --> 01:02:35.960
that sound familiar to I wonder? You know, if you

1077
01:02:36.039 --> 01:02:40.039
don't agree with him, he fires you, and that's you know,

1078
01:02:40.679 --> 01:02:44.920
that's not any way for a democracy to function. So, yeah,

1079
01:02:45.079 --> 01:02:46.880
he's evil, he's a bad guy. He needs to have

1080
01:02:46.880 --> 01:02:50.599
his face stretched. And that's my stance, and I'm sticking to.

1081
01:02:50.440 --> 01:02:54.000
It, all right, David, what do you think?

1082
01:02:56.239 --> 01:03:02.000
Well, I think that this guy isn't actually him. Wasn't

1083
01:03:02.039 --> 01:03:04.239
he supposed to be one of the changelings because it

1084
01:03:04.239 --> 01:03:08.159
didn't just when Odo ended up later on finding out

1085
01:03:08.239 --> 01:03:12.199
that he became a changeling by shaking hands with him

1086
01:03:12.199 --> 01:03:16.119
and morphine him. I don't know human here, but.

1087
01:03:16.239 --> 01:03:18.800
We know at some point he's replaced, we don't. I

1088
01:03:18.800 --> 01:03:21.760
guess we don't know for sure in this episode whether

1089
01:03:21.760 --> 01:03:24.480
he's a changeling or whether he actually is the person.

1090
01:03:24.559 --> 01:03:27.199
I think I personally think he is still the person here,

1091
01:03:28.239 --> 01:03:30.400
but I don't have any evidence for you know, whether

1092
01:03:30.440 --> 01:03:31.079
that's true or not.

1093
01:03:31.480 --> 01:03:35.079
Yeah, I mean, so with that in mind, it kind

1094
01:03:35.119 --> 01:03:39.960
of dominion uh situation where yes, she would try to

1095
01:03:40.039 --> 01:03:42.079
use fear, that's what they're all about, right, and so

1096
01:03:42.199 --> 01:03:44.719
he would try to try to try to take control

1097
01:03:44.760 --> 01:03:48.400
and everything, get the president to sign off on control

1098
01:03:48.519 --> 01:03:51.079
and everything like that. So to me, I think he

1099
01:03:51.199 --> 01:03:54.800
is actually a dominion agent here and he's just trying

1100
01:03:54.800 --> 01:03:59.880
to cause both to become as much demoilized as possible.

1101
01:04:00.320 --> 01:04:05.599
So technically, I he's evil in that sense, But in

1102
01:04:05.599 --> 01:04:07.039
a way I kind of have to agree with him.

1103
01:04:07.199 --> 01:04:10.280
He's not technically evil. He just misled if he is human.

1104
01:04:10.400 --> 01:04:14.559
So I'm kind of neutral on this. He's neither good

1105
01:04:14.599 --> 01:04:17.800
nor bad to me right now for some reason. But

1106
01:04:17.920 --> 01:04:21.599
I mean I followed what he we seen the machine

1107
01:04:21.599 --> 01:04:26.719
played out. Yes that's evil, But again with that concept,

1108
01:04:26.719 --> 01:04:29.760
if he ised a dominion or human, you know, could

1109
01:04:29.840 --> 01:04:31.760
go either way for me. So that's my two tents

1110
01:04:31.840 --> 01:04:32.079
on it.

1111
01:04:32.280 --> 01:04:33.719
I mean, for what it's worth. When you read his

1112
01:04:33.880 --> 01:04:35.639
kind of write up on Memory Alpha, which I know

1113
01:04:35.719 --> 01:04:38.440
is just written by whoever's written by, but it's written

1114
01:04:38.480 --> 01:04:41.000
as if it's the actual person and not a changeling

1115
01:04:41.159 --> 01:04:43.079
version of the person.

1116
01:04:43.199 --> 01:04:47.159
So maybe that's changeling was a different episode.

1117
01:04:46.760 --> 01:04:48.639
Or yeah, it's the later episode.

1118
01:04:48.800 --> 01:04:53.000
Yeah, okay, yeah, but again he's kind of neutral for

1119
01:04:53.079 --> 01:04:56.760
me at the moment then as the human being.

1120
01:04:56.920 --> 01:05:01.760
Yeah, well, I guess we have a the difference of

1121
01:05:02.079 --> 01:05:05.280
perspective on this here, right, And again, you know, war

1122
01:05:05.400 --> 01:05:07.559
is a crucible that reveals what kind of person you are,

1123
01:05:08.159 --> 01:05:10.000
right and what you choose to you know, if you're

1124
01:05:10.039 --> 01:05:12.440
the kind of person that says, oh, the end justifies

1125
01:05:12.480 --> 01:05:14.719
the means, or I have a power now, and so

1126
01:05:14.840 --> 01:05:17.599
I feel that this is necessary because it's war, and

1127
01:05:17.639 --> 01:05:20.119
that somehow the rules are different and the regular compass

1128
01:05:20.119 --> 01:05:21.360
doesn't point to North anymore.

1129
01:05:21.599 --> 01:05:24.840
Did this guy attempt to coop? Yes or no? Yes?

1130
01:05:25.679 --> 01:05:29.960
Did he falsify evidence of dominion activity? Yes or no? Yes?

1131
01:05:30.639 --> 01:05:34.800
Did he frame Benjamin Cisco as a changeling infiltrator? Yes?

1132
01:05:36.519 --> 01:05:40.840
This guy's freaking evil. How do you not call that evil?

1133
01:05:40.840 --> 01:05:42.599
And when we've given all that stuff that he's done,

1134
01:05:42.639 --> 01:05:45.320
I mean that is basically a triple whammy, right, I

1135
01:05:45.360 --> 01:05:48.639
mean absolutely, he thinks he thinks he's being true to

1136
01:05:48.639 --> 01:05:53.039
his Starfleet principles and the greater Good justifies the means

1137
01:05:53.079 --> 01:05:56.480
what bullshit men have been like, you know, committing evil

1138
01:05:57.039 --> 01:06:00.639
using that pretense for centuries, right, and you got to

1139
01:06:00.679 --> 01:06:02.679
recognize it, and you've got to chop the head off

1140
01:06:02.719 --> 01:06:04.960
when that happens. You got, you know, right right to

1141
01:06:05.039 --> 01:06:09.639
the guillotine, right, you cannot you know, slight hyperbole. I'm

1142
01:06:09.639 --> 01:06:13.880
actually very gentle soul, but but yeah, I just people

1143
01:06:14.000 --> 01:06:16.679
like this, these bureaucrats who think that they, you know,

1144
01:06:16.800 --> 01:06:19.039
have they can tell everyone else what's right and wrong

1145
01:06:19.599 --> 01:06:24.679
and inflict themselves on a society. If that's not evil,

1146
01:06:24.679 --> 01:06:28.480
I don't know what is. But this coup, attempting evidence,

1147
01:06:28.599 --> 01:06:32.280
falsifying framer, Oh, he's absolutely evil.

1148
01:06:32.679 --> 01:06:34.880
That's exactly what a dominion agent would do.

1149
01:06:35.320 --> 01:06:35.679
I think.

1150
01:06:37.199 --> 01:06:39.000
There's no neutral here. He's evil.

1151
01:06:39.599 --> 01:06:43.840
He was a dominion all right, all right, all right, Charles,

1152
01:06:43.880 --> 01:06:48.000
you got the caboose, buddy, How can I follow up

1153
01:06:48.039 --> 01:06:48.519
with Paul?

1154
01:06:49.639 --> 01:06:53.800
Paul said, all he sat there and acted as an

1155
01:06:53.840 --> 01:06:55.719
evil acted as an evil admiral.

1156
01:06:57.920 --> 01:07:04.679
Yeah, all right, Uh, Admiral Layton's squarely evil, squarely abusing power.

1157
01:07:05.719 --> 01:07:09.280
Just not a good guy. And he resigns in the end.

1158
01:07:09.400 --> 01:07:12.239
But I always find the resignation to kind of be

1159
01:07:12.280 --> 01:07:16.239
an unsatisfying just come uppins for somebody who does super

1160
01:07:16.280 --> 01:07:17.840
evil things. I feel like it would have been cool

1161
01:07:17.880 --> 01:07:20.039
to see him, I don't know, face some jail time

1162
01:07:20.119 --> 01:07:23.360
or something like that. So at any rate, that was

1163
01:07:23.800 --> 01:07:26.000
Admiral Layton. We are not going to head to Admiral

1164
01:07:26.119 --> 01:07:26.519
number four.

1165
01:07:26.920 --> 01:07:29.800
David hit It behast of the Bulkan Ambassador.

1166
01:07:29.880 --> 01:07:34.239
I opened the dialogue with Gorkon, Chancellor of the Klingon

1167
01:07:34.360 --> 01:07:40.559
High Council. He proposes to commenced negotiations at once, negotiations

1168
01:07:40.840 --> 01:07:44.719
for what they is mantling about his space stations and

1169
01:07:44.760 --> 01:07:48.599
star bases along the neutral zone, and to almost seventy

1170
01:07:48.679 --> 01:07:52.760
years of unremitting hostility which the Klingons can no longer afford.

1171
01:07:53.880 --> 01:07:54.119
Doom?

1172
01:07:54.760 --> 01:07:56.800
Are we talking about moth bawling, Miss.

1173
01:07:56.639 --> 01:08:00.920
Darthley, Well, I'm sure that our exploration is aientific programs

1174
01:08:00.920 --> 01:08:04.599
would be unaffected, Captain, but I must protest. Drop of

1175
01:08:04.639 --> 01:08:09.360
Klingons safe haven with Infederation space is suicide. Clingons would

1176
01:08:09.360 --> 01:08:12.320
become the alien trash of the galaxy, and if we

1177
01:08:12.400 --> 01:08:16.359
dismantle the fleet, we'd be defenseless before an aggressive species

1178
01:08:16.439 --> 01:08:20.119
with a foothold on our territory. The opportunity here is

1179
01:08:20.199 --> 01:08:23.439
to bring them to their needs. Then we'll be in

1180
01:08:23.479 --> 01:08:26.479
a far better position to dictate terms.

1181
01:08:27.520 --> 01:08:35.159
Sir Captain Kirk, the Klingons have never been trustworthy. I'm

1182
01:08:35.199 --> 01:08:36.720
forced to agree with Admiral cart.

1183
01:08:36.640 --> 01:08:45.319
Right, Okay, Clingons have never been trustworthy. Here we got

1184
01:08:45.439 --> 01:08:50.159
Cartwright saying some pretty harsh stuff. They would become the

1185
01:08:50.239 --> 01:08:53.760
trash of the galaxy. Paul, this sounds kind of like

1186
01:08:54.079 --> 01:08:57.279
the making it about the others kind of thing that

1187
01:08:57.319 --> 01:08:58.319
you were talking about, the.

1188
01:08:58.319 --> 01:09:01.039
Same thing as a xenophobia. H it's the you know,

1189
01:09:01.399 --> 01:09:03.560
uh justification of things.

1190
01:09:03.760 --> 01:09:03.880
Right.

1191
01:09:03.920 --> 01:09:06.800
There's a terrific picture, right, I mean, great, great movie.

1192
01:09:06.920 --> 01:09:09.399
I mean really, you know starf Trek six by the way,

1193
01:09:10.239 --> 01:09:12.199
directed by one of the greats, right, who we've been

1194
01:09:12.279 --> 01:09:15.880
lucky enough to chat with a bit. But but his

1195
01:09:16.000 --> 01:09:19.760
whole conspiracy, you know, was responsible for framing everybody for

1196
01:09:19.880 --> 01:09:23.119
the murder of the Klingon Chancellor if I remember correctly, right,

1197
01:09:24.119 --> 01:09:28.640
he wants to derail peace. Okay, he wants to weaken

1198
01:09:28.720 --> 01:09:33.199
his enemies, right, and uh, I mean, given everything that

1199
01:09:33.319 --> 01:09:36.319
happens in this movie, I think he's probably maybe you know,

1200
01:09:36.520 --> 01:09:40.039
a candidate for the most evil of all the Starfleet.

1201
01:09:40.079 --> 01:09:42.960
Admiral's right. I mean he's pretty freaking evil, you know.

1202
01:09:43.159 --> 01:09:46.520
I mean he's you know, he's you know, have a

1203
01:09:46.560 --> 01:09:50.279
glass of prune juice, pal, I mean something, right, you

1204
01:09:50.399 --> 01:09:52.560
gotta you gotta, you gotta lighten up. I mean he's

1205
01:09:52.640 --> 01:09:54.800
just he's so unhappy, you know, and it's just nothing's

1206
01:09:54.840 --> 01:09:55.640
gonna make him happy.

1207
01:09:55.800 --> 01:09:55.920
Right.

1208
01:09:56.000 --> 01:10:00.039
He's uh, he spearheads the entire conspiracy, right, and I

1209
01:10:00.039 --> 01:10:04.079
mean he really does, right, and it's uh, you know,

1210
01:10:04.199 --> 01:10:06.439
I love a political thriller, right, and that's really what

1211
01:10:06.520 --> 01:10:08.760
Star Trek six is, right, I mean it's just great.

1212
01:10:08.840 --> 01:10:12.079
But he's just unrepentant and he thinks he's right. And

1213
01:10:13.000 --> 01:10:14.760
we'll be to us, man, we weren't in one of

1214
01:10:14.800 --> 01:10:21.880
these cats who just thinks he's right and just you know, reason, evidence, morality,

1215
01:10:22.279 --> 01:10:24.000
none of it matters to them. They're just going to

1216
01:10:24.079 --> 01:10:26.319
do what they want. And you know, he got to

1217
01:10:26.319 --> 01:10:29.159
be vigilant against this in society and especially if you

1218
01:10:29.159 --> 01:10:30.279
want to live in a democracy.

1219
01:10:31.479 --> 01:10:33.920
Yeah, and just remind everybody this is actually the second

1220
01:10:33.960 --> 01:10:37.239
time we see Admiral Cartwright, because we do originally see

1221
01:10:37.279 --> 01:10:39.399
him in Star Trek four, and he doesn't have much

1222
01:10:39.439 --> 01:10:41.479
of a role. But he's the guy who initiates the

1223
01:10:41.680 --> 01:10:44.159
planet wide red alert when the whale probe is coming

1224
01:10:44.199 --> 01:10:46.840
in and about ready to mess some stuff up. That's right,

1225
01:10:47.239 --> 01:10:49.199
So he's kind of like you think he's a good

1226
01:10:49.239 --> 01:10:51.520
guy at that point, and then two movies later you

1227
01:10:51.600 --> 01:10:55.359
get this cart right. Yeah, I don't know, what do

1228
01:10:55.439 --> 01:10:56.439
you think Charles.

1229
01:10:58.560 --> 01:11:04.079
Sitting there calling mcclings a trash of the universe. That's

1230
01:11:04.239 --> 01:11:08.199
not something I think an admiral should be saying. Talking

1231
01:11:08.279 --> 01:11:10.640
to a race about talking about a race like that

1232
01:11:13.039 --> 01:11:17.600
as geez, sounds a little bit love talk of US history,

1233
01:11:18.920 --> 01:11:25.199
but they compared some other races, So I think it's

1234
01:11:25.239 --> 01:11:33.640
the comment is totally totally wrong, totally not objective, totally

1235
01:11:33.760 --> 01:11:40.880
not definitely supporting Starfleet. We know my Admiral Clerk sat

1236
01:11:40.920 --> 01:11:46.279
there and had the feelings of that because of the

1237
01:11:46.399 --> 01:11:49.039
loss of his son, but I think at this point

1238
01:11:49.079 --> 01:11:55.399
he was back to captain, and captains can have their

1239
01:11:55.439 --> 01:11:59.680
feelings on it. Admirals shouldn't be boistering attitudes like this.

1240
01:12:01.119 --> 01:12:02.880
Definitely think the evil side.

1241
01:12:05.520 --> 01:12:08.479
Jim, do you think the Klingons deserve to be brought

1242
01:12:08.600 --> 01:12:11.399
to their knees as Admiral Cartwright suggests, here.

1243
01:12:12.119 --> 01:12:15.720
Well, that right there. That rhetoric, again is some rhetoric

1244
01:12:15.840 --> 01:12:17.880
that we hear today when you turn on the news.

1245
01:12:18.319 --> 01:12:22.279
You know, anytime that you hear a leader use words

1246
01:12:22.439 --> 01:12:28.000
like that alien trash, bring them to their knees, dictate terms.

1247
01:12:28.720 --> 01:12:31.520
This guy missed his Starfleet ethics class too, just like

1248
01:12:31.640 --> 01:12:34.439
all the other admirals. You know, he was in the

1249
01:12:34.520 --> 01:12:37.760
bathroom smoking a big bat Bob Marley and missed that part.

1250
01:12:37.600 --> 01:12:38.119
Of the lecture.

1251
01:12:38.760 --> 01:12:45.279
But you know what surprises me the most about this

1252
01:12:45.439 --> 01:12:50.760
particular scene is that Captain Kirk agrees with him. Look,

1253
01:12:50.920 --> 01:12:53.079
Charles was saying he lost his son and so on

1254
01:12:53.159 --> 01:12:56.800
and so forth. But this type of rhetoric, I'm going

1255
01:12:56.880 --> 01:12:58.600
to say it, this is the type of rhetoric that

1256
01:12:58.960 --> 01:13:03.920
Adolf Hitler us exactly. And Kirk brings this up later

1257
01:13:04.000 --> 01:13:06.680
on when the Klingons are having dinner. You know, he

1258
01:13:06.800 --> 01:13:10.600
actually uses that reference. So for him not to catch

1259
01:13:10.640 --> 01:13:14.159
it when Cartwright says it, it's kind of like, you know, Kirk,

1260
01:13:14.399 --> 01:13:19.039
you know, dude, this guy is quoting. You know, you

1261
01:13:19.079 --> 01:13:21.319
should be catching it and not agreeing with it. And

1262
01:13:21.439 --> 01:13:23.880
all the other admirals in the room, none of them

1263
01:13:24.119 --> 01:13:27.079
caught that rhetoric. They all let it slide, and they

1264
01:13:27.119 --> 01:13:30.560
all went along with it. So you know, is this

1265
01:13:30.640 --> 01:13:34.960
the beginning of Starfleet eroding? Are all of the brass

1266
01:13:35.239 --> 01:13:40.199
slipping into this, you know, bad place to be? I

1267
01:13:40.279 --> 01:13:45.000
don't know. But Cartwright is definitely evil and he shows

1268
01:13:45.039 --> 01:13:48.760
it later on when he gets Admiral Odo, whose name

1269
01:13:48.880 --> 01:13:53.199
escapes me right now. He gets Admiral Odo to dress

1270
01:13:53.239 --> 01:13:56.119
up as a Klingon and try to blow away the Chancellor.

1271
01:13:56.760 --> 01:14:00.520
And he's clearly he's working with the Romul, he's working

1272
01:14:00.560 --> 01:14:03.000
with the Klayons, and he's working with the Federation to

1273
01:14:03.600 --> 01:14:06.960
derail the peace process. You don't get much more evil

1274
01:14:07.319 --> 01:14:10.520
than that. So, yeah, Cartwright is evil. He needs a

1275
01:14:10.560 --> 01:14:13.439
face stretching and uh yeah, that's what I have to

1276
01:14:13.520 --> 01:14:14.439
say about that.

1277
01:14:16.079 --> 01:14:17.760
I David to get to follow him on this one.

1278
01:14:18.279 --> 01:14:22.039
Ah cool, Well, he definitely likes troubles. I mean, you

1279
01:14:22.119 --> 01:14:23.600
know the fact that he wants to get rid of

1280
01:14:23.600 --> 01:14:29.760
the Kleanons. But I I refreshed my memory. It's been

1281
01:14:29.800 --> 01:14:32.119
a while for thetween this. Didn't he get caught at

1282
01:14:32.159 --> 01:14:32.479
the end?

1283
01:14:33.439 --> 01:14:35.279
He does. Well, it's kind of like right after this

1284
01:14:35.479 --> 01:14:42.800
scene they sort of haul him off to rehabilitation. So

1285
01:14:42.920 --> 01:14:45.439
they recognize that he's made some poor decisions, and they

1286
01:14:46.039 --> 01:14:48.600
they're gonna you know, because I mean, it's kind of

1287
01:14:48.640 --> 01:14:51.439
interesting because I always thought that Federation didn't actually have

1288
01:14:52.359 --> 01:14:55.439
prisons at all, and I think that I thought that

1289
01:14:55.520 --> 01:14:58.159
all the way up through Star Trek six. Here, I

1290
01:14:58.279 --> 01:15:00.560
think that that's changed in recent years, and there seemed

1291
01:15:00.560 --> 01:15:04.319
to be Federation prisons and that kind of stuff nowadays.

1292
01:15:04.399 --> 01:15:07.520
But yeah, but I always thought you rehabilitated the bad guys,

1293
01:15:07.520 --> 01:15:09.119
and I think that's what happens to him here.

1294
01:15:09.960 --> 01:15:14.199
Okay, so technically he did get caught, so you know,

1295
01:15:14.800 --> 01:15:19.159
he they recognized what he did. And if the movie

1296
01:15:19.279 --> 01:15:22.560
said that he would evil in behind some sort of conspiracy,

1297
01:15:23.199 --> 01:15:25.000
I would have to agree with the movie, to be honest,

1298
01:15:25.039 --> 01:15:28.399
because what he apparently did was not a good thing.

1299
01:15:29.439 --> 01:15:33.359
But yeah, so I would have to say he'd fall

1300
01:15:33.439 --> 01:15:34.039
on evil for me.

1301
01:15:35.039 --> 01:15:37.279
Yeah, And I think he's another example of an admiral

1302
01:15:37.319 --> 01:15:40.359
who is motivated by fear. Like we don't really know

1303
01:15:40.840 --> 01:15:44.520
why he's so afraid of the Klanyon's, but the rhetoric

1304
01:15:44.640 --> 01:15:48.039
that he's using seems to be trying to make them

1305
01:15:48.159 --> 01:15:51.359
others because he's he seems scared of them. So I

1306
01:15:51.399 --> 01:15:54.560
don't know exactly what his motivations are, but I think

1307
01:15:54.600 --> 01:15:55.960
he was getting paid by Romulins.

1308
01:15:56.439 --> 01:15:58.520
Yeah, I think it might have been actually to Romulin

1309
01:15:58.640 --> 01:16:01.159
influence that college his fear, because it wasn't at the

1310
01:16:01.239 --> 01:16:03.880
Romulin sassion that he's trying to shoot president.

1311
01:16:05.279 --> 01:16:06.039
Oh yeah, that's right.

1312
01:16:06.560 --> 01:16:08.159
He was alone.

1313
01:16:08.920 --> 01:16:11.800
Yeah, so maybe they got I don't know, so.

1314
01:16:12.399 --> 01:16:17.399
Maybe actually was Admiral dressed up as a Klingon, right,

1315
01:16:18.479 --> 01:16:22.560
not a Romulint, But Ambassador Knockluss was there, which never

1316
01:16:22.640 --> 01:16:24.880
made any sense to me why they'd have a Romulant

1317
01:16:24.960 --> 01:16:28.880
operative sitting in on this top secret uh starfleet thing.

1318
01:16:29.000 --> 01:16:31.880
So he was working with the Romulins and the Klingons

1319
01:16:32.039 --> 01:16:36.600
and Admiral Odo, you know, just to thwart piece, which

1320
01:16:36.880 --> 01:16:37.680
is never a good thing.

1321
01:16:38.520 --> 01:16:43.439
Well, it was probably part of the duo family, probably,

1322
01:16:44.239 --> 01:16:47.960
all right, Admiral Cartwright squarely evil and squarely somebody who

1323
01:16:47.960 --> 01:16:53.399
shouldn't be at the top of conspiracies to assassinate ambassadors.

1324
01:16:54.560 --> 01:16:57.359
All right, on to Admiral number five, David, who's that

1325
01:16:57.439 --> 01:16:58.640
going to be real?

1326
01:16:58.760 --> 01:16:59.119
Marcus?

1327
01:16:59.279 --> 01:17:00.319
I wasn't expected.

1328
01:17:02.000 --> 01:17:04.119
Hell of a ship you got there, and I wasn't

1329
01:17:04.159 --> 01:17:06.239
expecting to get word that you're taking Harrison in the

1330
01:17:06.319 --> 01:17:08.000
custody and violation of your orders.

1331
01:17:09.439 --> 01:17:12.720
Well, we uh, we had to improvise when our warp

1332
01:17:12.800 --> 01:17:14.479
core unexpectedly malfunction.

1333
01:17:15.119 --> 01:17:17.479
But you already knew that, didn't you, Sir? I don't

1334
01:17:17.479 --> 01:17:18.199
take your meaning.

1335
01:17:18.680 --> 01:17:20.840
Well, that's why you're here, isn't it to assist with

1336
01:17:20.960 --> 01:17:25.319
our repairs? Why else would the head of Starfleet personally

1337
01:17:25.439 --> 01:17:27.119
come to the edge of the neutral.

1338
01:17:26.880 --> 01:17:30.600
Zone, Captain just scanning our ship? Is there something I

1339
01:17:30.640 --> 01:17:34.800
can help you find? Sir? Where is your prisoner kerk for.

1340
01:17:34.960 --> 01:17:39.239
Starfleet regulation, I'm planning on returning Khan to Earth to

1341
01:17:39.359 --> 01:17:40.039
stand trial.

1342
01:17:41.239 --> 01:17:47.560
Well, shit, you talked to him. That's exactly what I

1343
01:17:47.640 --> 01:17:50.600
was hoping to spare you from. I took a tactical risk,

1344
01:17:50.640 --> 01:17:53.720
and I woke that bastard up, believing that a superior

1345
01:17:53.800 --> 01:17:56.760
intelligence could help us protect ourselves from whatever came at

1346
01:17:56.840 --> 01:17:57.239
us next.

1347
01:17:59.479 --> 01:18:01.720
But I made mistake, and now the.

1348
01:18:01.760 --> 01:18:05.720
Blood of everybody's killed is on my hands. So I'm

1349
01:18:05.800 --> 01:18:10.239
asking you give him to me so that I can

1350
01:18:10.359 --> 01:18:16.880
end what I started. And what exactly would you like

1351
01:18:16.960 --> 01:18:18.159
me to do with the rest of his crew?

1352
01:18:18.279 --> 01:18:18.399
Sir?

1353
01:18:20.960 --> 01:18:24.640
Fire them at the Klingon's end seventy two lives start

1354
01:18:24.720 --> 01:18:25.720
a war in the process.

1355
01:18:26.079 --> 01:18:29.199
He put those people in those torpedoes, and.

1356
01:18:29.239 --> 01:18:31.319
I simply didn't want to burden you with knowing what

1357
01:18:31.479 --> 01:18:32.279
was inside of them.

1358
01:18:32.760 --> 01:18:34.600
You saw what this man could do all by himself.

1359
01:18:34.640 --> 01:18:36.399
Can you imagine what would happened if we woke up

1360
01:18:36.439 --> 01:18:37.279
the rest of his crew?

1361
01:18:39.560 --> 01:18:41.560
What else did he tell you that he's a peacekeeper?

1362
01:18:42.119 --> 01:18:43.640
He's playing you, son.

1363
01:18:43.760 --> 01:18:46.560
Don't you see that con and his crew were condemned

1364
01:18:46.640 --> 01:18:49.800
to death as war criminals, and now it is our

1365
01:18:49.920 --> 01:18:52.239
duty to carry out that sentence before anybody else.

1366
01:18:52.159 --> 01:18:53.119
Dies because of him.

1367
01:18:56.239 --> 01:18:57.880
I'm gonna ask you again.

1368
01:18:59.399 --> 01:19:00.880
One last time on.

1369
01:19:03.600 --> 01:19:06.520
Lower your shields, tell me where he is.

1370
01:19:11.800 --> 01:19:17.520
Okay, this, of course is Admiral Marcus from Star Trek

1371
01:19:17.680 --> 01:19:20.800
Into Darkness, and whatever you may think about the movie

1372
01:19:20.840 --> 01:19:23.640
in general, I think this is a great scene, and

1373
01:19:24.039 --> 01:19:28.439
I think that it actually of all of the evil

1374
01:19:28.560 --> 01:19:30.800
at well, maybe not the last one, but of all

1375
01:19:30.840 --> 01:19:33.960
the evil admirals that we've talked to talked about up

1376
01:19:34.039 --> 01:19:36.720
until this point. This argument kind of starts to make

1377
01:19:36.720 --> 01:19:39.800
a little bit of sense, like, Okay, I was afraid,

1378
01:19:40.439 --> 01:19:43.680
and so I woke up this superior intellect guy hoping

1379
01:19:43.720 --> 01:19:45.720
that he'd be able to help us, and he says,

1380
01:19:45.800 --> 01:19:49.039
right there, I made a mistake and he's trying to

1381
01:19:49.119 --> 01:19:54.199
fix the mistake. Now does the rest of Starfleet know

1382
01:19:54.239 --> 01:19:55.840
that he's trying to mix the mistake? I'm not sure

1383
01:19:55.840 --> 01:19:58.119
about that, but love to hear what you guys have

1384
01:19:58.199 --> 01:19:59.319
to say about Admiral Marcus.

1385
01:20:02.199 --> 01:20:05.880
Well, if I remember, first of all, I enjoyed Into

1386
01:20:05.960 --> 01:20:08.039
Darkness for just this reason, I thought it was really

1387
01:20:08.119 --> 01:20:11.039
relevant to what was going on right around the time.

1388
01:20:11.640 --> 01:20:15.000
And Section three, if I remember correctly, he was a

1389
01:20:15.079 --> 01:20:18.760
member of Section thirty one I think, and they built

1390
01:20:18.760 --> 01:20:21.640
the USS Vengeance as well, so this was all a

1391
01:20:21.720 --> 01:20:24.960
Section thirty one ploy? Am I right about that?

1392
01:20:25.239 --> 01:20:25.399
Eric?

1393
01:20:25.840 --> 01:20:26.560
I think that's true.

1394
01:20:26.840 --> 01:20:29.680
I think yeah, because Scotty didn't even know about it

1395
01:20:30.079 --> 01:20:32.279
when he saw the ship. So he's he's not only

1396
01:20:32.359 --> 01:20:37.239
is evil, but he's into this this secret like organization

1397
01:20:37.439 --> 01:20:41.960
that operates outside the realm of laws and whatnot. So yeah,

1398
01:20:42.000 --> 01:20:45.279
that that in itself makes some shady to begin with.

1399
01:20:45.840 --> 01:20:51.000
But his actions, his attitude, he's going to destroy the enterprise,

1400
01:20:51.039 --> 01:20:53.840
He's going to kill everyone on the enterprise to cover

1401
01:20:54.000 --> 01:20:57.199
up his mistake. Rather than being a man and admitting

1402
01:20:57.279 --> 01:20:59.680
I made a mistake. He's going to kill everyone on

1403
01:20:59.720 --> 01:21:02.880
the end prize just to hide his mistake, except for

1404
01:21:03.079 --> 01:21:05.800
his daughter, who I believe he has beamed aboard the

1405
01:21:05.920 --> 01:21:10.479
vengeance so that he doesn't kill her. But but so okay,

1406
01:21:10.560 --> 01:21:12.399
so he's got a soft spot for his daughter. But

1407
01:21:12.439 --> 01:21:16.359
he's still evil. Okay, this guy, this guy is a

1408
01:21:16.439 --> 01:21:19.479
bad guy right down the pipe. And the way he

1409
01:21:19.640 --> 01:21:23.680
talks to Kirk by calling him son, son, you know,

1410
01:21:24.319 --> 01:21:26.880
that's about as degrading as you can be. You know,

1411
01:21:27.039 --> 01:21:29.920
He's like, I have the upper hand, I'm the superior.

1412
01:21:30.520 --> 01:21:34.760
You're gonna do what I say? Son, Evil, evil all

1413
01:21:34.840 --> 01:21:37.520
the way, and he gets what he deserves at the end.

1414
01:21:37.960 --> 01:21:42.039
And that's what I'm saying. Evil, evil, evil, bad, admirl

1415
01:21:42.399 --> 01:21:48.439
bad bad avro. Yeah, you're done, You're bad, You're evil,

1416
01:21:48.800 --> 01:21:52.159
he's you know, so yeah, he's a bad guy in

1417
01:21:52.239 --> 01:21:54.279
my book all the way. And what makes it worse

1418
01:21:54.840 --> 01:21:57.119
he knew what he was doing. He knew what he

1419
01:21:57.279 --> 01:22:00.600
was doing was wrong because he was trying to hide it.

1420
01:22:01.119 --> 01:22:03.000
And if he didn't think what he was doing is wrong,

1421
01:22:03.039 --> 01:22:04.720
he would have done it right out in the open,

1422
01:22:04.920 --> 01:22:07.800
like like Admiral Layton did. And the last clip that

1423
01:22:07.880 --> 01:22:11.760
we watched you know this guy, you know, sneaks away

1424
01:22:11.840 --> 01:22:16.680
on his cloakable black spaceship that nobody knows exists, and

1425
01:22:16.840 --> 01:22:19.560
does all this stuff behind the scenes because he knows

1426
01:22:19.640 --> 01:22:22.680
that what he's doing is wrong, which makes him even

1427
01:22:22.760 --> 01:22:25.840
more dangerous because he's not gonna hide behind some mag

1428
01:22:26.000 --> 01:22:28.399
of bullshit. He's just gonna go right out and do

1429
01:22:28.560 --> 01:22:32.119
it and doesn't care. So he's evil, He's a bad admiral,

1430
01:22:32.479 --> 01:22:35.600
And yes, he needs a face stretching. So yeah, that's

1431
01:22:35.640 --> 01:22:38.720
what I That's what I gotta say about Admiral Marcus.

1432
01:22:38.800 --> 01:22:40.920
And he needs to he needs to go back to RoboCop.

1433
01:22:41.359 --> 01:22:44.159
That's where he needs to be. He needs to have

1434
01:22:44.359 --> 01:22:46.479
ED two o nine come in and take care of it.

1435
01:22:47.000 --> 01:22:49.640
So that's my take on it.

1436
01:22:51.760 --> 01:22:53.159
All right, Who wants to go next? Charles?

1437
01:22:53.199 --> 01:22:53.720
You want to go next?

1438
01:22:53.800 --> 01:22:53.880
Ye?

1439
01:22:54.439 --> 01:22:54.680
Yep?

1440
01:22:55.079 --> 01:22:58.880
I did a little looking up on memory Alpha. Okay,

1441
01:22:59.119 --> 01:23:05.800
evil admiral admiral of Section thirty one? Do we have

1442
01:23:06.920 --> 01:23:09.560
any good admirals in section thirty one?

1443
01:23:11.239 --> 01:23:12.600
I have my doubt?

1444
01:23:12.720 --> 01:23:13.399
Is he a member?

1445
01:23:14.119 --> 01:23:17.640
Is a member of Section three? He actually lead? He

1446
01:23:17.800 --> 01:23:22.439
actually leads Section thirty one. Now I remember looking up.

1447
01:23:22.520 --> 01:23:27.000
He not only that he leaves Section thirty one. The

1448
01:23:27.119 --> 01:23:29.479
leader of Section thirty one is going to be good.

1449
01:23:32.000 --> 01:23:34.680
We haven't seen too many good leaders in Section thirty

1450
01:23:34.720 --> 01:23:35.199
one yet.

1451
01:23:37.960 --> 01:23:42.319
So yeah, oh yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna take this

1452
01:23:42.600 --> 01:23:46.720
man and all his uh all the members, all of

1453
01:23:46.880 --> 01:23:52.279
his crew members and sacrifice them. It's like, no, you're

1454
01:23:52.319 --> 01:23:55.239
not going to do a trial. You're going to be executioner.

1455
01:23:56.079 --> 01:23:58.279
You're going to decide their fate yourself.

1456
01:23:59.520 --> 01:24:01.199
No, that is the.

1457
01:24:01.239 --> 01:24:06.279
Federation's duty, not just a single admiral leading Section thirty one.

1458
01:24:07.920 --> 01:24:12.239
So definitely an evil admiral. I saw this clip. It's

1459
01:24:12.319 --> 01:24:16.239
like you start the clip, it's like, oh, in a darkness, yes,

1460
01:24:16.359 --> 01:24:17.119
evil admiral.

1461
01:24:19.600 --> 01:24:20.560
All right, Paul, what do you think?

1462
01:24:22.439 --> 01:24:27.680
Yeah? So, I mean, you know, is Peter Weller playing

1463
01:24:27.760 --> 01:24:29.680
at evil? It sure seems like he is. I mean,

1464
01:24:29.720 --> 01:24:36.720
my god, he's just like, you know, glowering, glowering, glowering. Right, Yeah,

1465
01:24:37.199 --> 01:24:39.800
he's getting real dark here. I mean, this is the guy.

1466
01:24:40.159 --> 01:24:43.039
You know again we've established Section thirty one, right, but

1467
01:24:43.119 --> 01:24:46.520
it's again using I need to make sure that everything works,

1468
01:24:46.560 --> 01:24:49.520
okay for the war I'm involved in, right these guys, right,

1469
01:24:49.920 --> 01:24:53.880
And he's secretly orchestrating all these events involving Khan in

1470
01:24:54.000 --> 01:24:58.079
this movie and the eminent war with the Klingons to

1471
01:24:58.279 --> 01:25:04.119
further enable Starfleet's military capabilities. Right, he's a warmonger. He

1472
01:25:04.319 --> 01:25:06.199
wants it, you know, that's what he wants. And it's

1473
01:25:06.279 --> 01:25:08.520
just like he wants all the trappings. He wants to,

1474
01:25:09.079 --> 01:25:10.720
you know, be on the high ground. He wants to

1475
01:25:10.880 --> 01:25:13.159
snuff out his enemies. It's all about, you know, I

1476
01:25:13.239 --> 01:25:14.319
must destroy my enemies.

1477
01:25:14.399 --> 01:25:14.479
Right.

1478
01:25:14.560 --> 01:25:17.800
That is not a mindset that is that does well,

1479
01:25:18.439 --> 01:25:21.760
and it just it always leads to ruin, right, And yeah,

1480
01:25:21.840 --> 01:25:24.479
he's not a good guy, so you know, it is

1481
01:25:24.600 --> 01:25:27.840
kind of a toss up, right between him and and

1482
01:25:27.960 --> 01:25:32.199
Cartwright who's the worst? Right, Maybe let them cage fight

1483
01:25:32.319 --> 01:25:34.760
in a room full of like rabbit alligators and see

1484
01:25:34.760 --> 01:25:35.159
who wins.

1485
01:25:35.199 --> 01:25:40.439
I don't know, but Jim Marcus doesn't call any Cartwright

1486
01:25:40.479 --> 01:25:41.560
doesn't call anybody's son.

1487
01:25:42.359 --> 01:25:46.640
Yeah, but it's an old rich guy thing, right, I mean,

1488
01:25:46.760 --> 01:25:48.840
old rich guys do that all the time. Well, Sean,

1489
01:25:49.000 --> 01:25:51.079
you had to understand. I mean it's just like from

1490
01:25:51.119 --> 01:25:55.119
the Southern politicians playbook, right, Sorry, Southern politicians, but most

1491
01:25:55.159 --> 01:26:00.680
of at least most of the men do ladies you

1492
01:26:00.800 --> 01:26:04.279
need to take over? But yeah, so yeah, what do

1493
01:26:04.319 --> 01:26:04.840
you think, David?

1494
01:26:05.800 --> 01:26:08.439
Yeah, Second thirty one no good evil.

1495
01:26:12.039 --> 01:26:13.960
And yet they're part of the Federation charter.

1496
01:26:15.479 --> 01:26:17.079
That makes me want to go back and watch this

1497
01:26:17.159 --> 01:26:19.159
movie again though, because it's so well shot. I mean,

1498
01:26:19.199 --> 01:26:23.159
the cinematography is really I didn't hate this movie. They

1499
01:26:23.680 --> 01:26:25.039
I'm like, when it turned out that it was a

1500
01:26:25.159 --> 01:26:27.680
remake of Con, I was bummed. I'm like, that's the plot,

1501
01:26:27.840 --> 01:26:30.560
I mean, because we've we don't need that, right, But

1502
01:26:31.039 --> 01:26:34.239
what a great cast and uh in Peter Weiller to boot.

1503
01:26:34.279 --> 01:26:36.439
I mean, I just wish they'd had a fresher concept, right,

1504
01:26:36.520 --> 01:26:39.039
but but gorgeous looking cinematography.

1505
01:26:39.159 --> 01:26:39.399
My god.

1506
01:26:40.600 --> 01:26:44.119
Well, I was also a big fan of Con. The

1507
01:26:44.199 --> 01:26:45.880
actor played cont the Ton, so.

1508
01:26:47.000 --> 01:26:50.079
I was actually been a Cumberbatch. Yeah, I was a

1509
01:26:50.159 --> 01:26:50.479
big fan.

1510
01:26:51.119 --> 01:26:51.720
That's really good.

1511
01:26:51.840 --> 01:26:55.359
Yes, I don't fault the cast or I just wish

1512
01:26:55.399 --> 01:26:58.279
they'd had a fresher premise and not have to recycle again, right,

1513
01:26:58.319 --> 01:26:59.960
because it's like, we don't need to see that again.

1514
01:27:00.199 --> 01:27:01.520
It's true, we've been there.

1515
01:27:01.560 --> 01:27:04.159
But I think it was an interesting interpretation of Cohn.

1516
01:27:06.840 --> 01:27:09.000
All right. Plus the vengeance is probably one of the

1517
01:27:09.039 --> 01:27:13.760
coolest looking federationships ever of all time. But that's that's

1518
01:27:13.800 --> 01:27:16.199
my opinion, all right. That was Admiral number five, Admiral

1519
01:27:16.239 --> 01:27:19.000
Marcus from the Kelvin Timeline. I thank you Peter Weller

1520
01:27:19.079 --> 01:27:23.239
for being so awesome. Here is our last admiral rolotape. Dude,

1521
01:27:23.520 --> 01:27:24.560
it's not hard to guess.

1522
01:27:25.079 --> 01:27:27.399
They tried to shut down an experiment. They didn't understand,

1523
01:27:27.560 --> 01:27:28.960
something went wrong, and it killed them.

1524
01:27:29.279 --> 01:27:34.520
No, we killed them, Now, that doesn't sound like the

1525
01:27:34.600 --> 01:27:37.560
same mask and grabbed a phaser and defended his captain

1526
01:27:37.600 --> 01:27:38.359
twelve years ago.

1527
01:27:39.159 --> 01:27:42.199
I've had twelve years to think about it, and if

1528
01:27:42.239 --> 01:27:45.239
I had it to do over again, I would have

1529
01:27:45.279 --> 01:27:47.640
grabbed the phaser and pointed it at you instead of them.

1530
01:27:48.920 --> 01:27:52.279
So on reflection, you'd rather be a traitor than a hero.

1531
01:27:53.079 --> 01:27:54.840
I was it a hero, and neither were you.

1532
01:27:56.000 --> 01:27:58.000
What you did was wrong, and I was wrong to

1533
01:27:58.039 --> 01:28:00.479
support you, but I was too young and too stupid

1534
01:28:00.560 --> 01:28:01.119
to realize it.

1535
01:28:01.640 --> 01:28:04.079
You were the captain, I was the ensign. I was

1536
01:28:04.159 --> 01:28:05.960
just following orders, and if you.

1537
01:28:06.000 --> 01:28:07.640
Hadn't, you'd be dead right now, along with all the

1538
01:28:07.720 --> 01:28:10.279
rest of them, dead because you listened to a bunch

1539
01:28:10.319 --> 01:28:12.920
of mutinous cowards who were too blinded by fear to

1540
01:28:12.960 --> 01:28:13.960
see what I was trying to do.

1541
01:28:14.319 --> 01:28:16.880
They were brave enough to risk their lives to stop

1542
01:28:16.960 --> 01:28:20.199
you from violating a treaty the Federation signed in good faith.

1543
01:28:20.760 --> 01:28:23.840
That treaty has bound our hands and given the Romulans

1544
01:28:23.880 --> 01:28:25.000
a tactical advantage for the.

1545
01:28:25.039 --> 01:28:27.680
Last sixty years. I was simply trying to level the

1546
01:28:27.720 --> 01:28:28.359
playing field.

1547
01:28:28.720 --> 01:28:29.800
And now you want to try it again?

1548
01:28:30.840 --> 01:28:33.359
How many people would die this time? Fifty one hundred

1549
01:28:34.039 --> 01:28:34.600
one thousand.

1550
01:28:35.600 --> 01:28:37.880
All right, you don't want to help me, fine, but

1551
01:28:38.000 --> 01:28:39.880
you are still under my direct orders not to talk

1552
01:28:39.880 --> 01:28:41.680
about what you know, and I expect you to follow

1553
01:28:41.680 --> 01:28:43.880
those orders to the letter I've made you, mister, and

1554
01:28:43.920 --> 01:28:45.279
I can break you just as easily.

1555
01:28:45.560 --> 01:28:46.359
Do you understand me?

1556
01:28:46.399 --> 01:28:50.399
Commander God you.

1557
01:28:50.399 --> 01:28:52.359
Were way tea prepared to return to the ship immediately

1558
01:28:53.520 --> 01:28:54.479
stand by Enterprise.

1559
01:29:00.239 --> 01:29:02.840
Pressman to Enterprise, two people and one piece of equipment

1560
01:29:02.920 --> 01:29:03.359
to beam up.

1561
01:29:11.479 --> 01:29:13.840
Oh man, do I love the Pegasus. This is such

1562
01:29:13.880 --> 01:29:17.079
a great episode of Next Generation. We get Admiral Eric

1563
01:29:17.119 --> 01:29:21.439
Pressman here, who has some history with Riker, and we

1564
01:29:21.560 --> 01:29:24.640
sort of see how that plays out, how Ensign Riker

1565
01:29:24.840 --> 01:29:27.760
is kind of almost guilty about the things or excuse

1566
01:29:27.800 --> 01:29:29.840
me now, Commander Riker is guilty about the things he

1567
01:29:29.880 --> 01:29:35.720
did as an ensign. So is Eric Pressman actually evil here? Paul,

1568
01:29:35.800 --> 01:29:36.600
I don't know, what do you think?

1569
01:29:37.199 --> 01:29:40.600
Well, yeah, it's you know, we really are uncovering a

1570
01:29:40.720 --> 01:29:43.680
theme with these guys here, because it keeps coming up.

1571
01:29:43.840 --> 01:29:44.000
Right.

1572
01:29:45.319 --> 01:29:49.479
He's very obsessive, right, and he wants to resurrect this experiment, right.

1573
01:29:49.680 --> 01:29:51.680
I mean, not that dissimilar from what we just saw

1574
01:29:51.760 --> 01:29:55.880
with Marcus, right, but a lot of them, what I

1575
01:29:56.039 --> 01:30:01.000
see as the unifying theme of their behavior is they

1576
01:30:01.199 --> 01:30:04.600
are their goal is to protect the federation.

1577
01:30:05.640 --> 01:30:05.800
Right.

1578
01:30:06.000 --> 01:30:09.039
That seems to be this thing, I must protect the federation, right,

1579
01:30:09.520 --> 01:30:12.520
we can't lose. There's a war, I must protect the federation, right,

1580
01:30:12.600 --> 01:30:16.399
And it just leads them astray, right. And it's and

1581
01:30:16.520 --> 01:30:19.680
also you see a lot of this kind of romulent paranoia, right,

1582
01:30:19.760 --> 01:30:21.600
which I think is probably reflecting on like you know,

1583
01:30:21.680 --> 01:30:23.279
Man's and are in Japanese internment.

1584
01:30:23.479 --> 01:30:23.600
Right.

1585
01:30:24.439 --> 01:30:28.000
But but yeah, it's just this the bad you know

1586
01:30:28.239 --> 01:30:30.720
mojo from back in the day when there was earlier

1587
01:30:30.800 --> 01:30:34.640
conflicts with the Romulans, Right, it just really creates this

1588
01:30:34.840 --> 01:30:38.600
xenophobic hatred, right, and we must forever do whatever is

1589
01:30:38.680 --> 01:30:42.000
necessary to protect the Federation. Right, So, I mean it's

1590
01:30:42.640 --> 01:30:45.000
such is it a very nuanced performance? Right, he really

1591
01:30:45.039 --> 01:30:46.840
gets in over his head and he is kind of

1592
01:30:47.039 --> 01:30:50.079
you know, I think at the end of the day,

1593
01:30:50.199 --> 01:30:54.680
kind of yeah, he succumbed to his worst instincts. Right,

1594
01:30:54.840 --> 01:30:58.920
and he is I think probably does is a moral

1595
01:30:59.079 --> 01:31:01.079
enough that he is you know, you got to think

1596
01:31:01.119 --> 01:31:03.239
of him evil. But it's one of the great performances

1597
01:31:03.359 --> 01:31:06.520
ever in next gen, right, terro Quinn is just so great.

1598
01:31:07.000 --> 01:31:08.680
If you ever want to see with this guy's cap

1599
01:31:08.800 --> 01:31:10.920
love beyond like say lost, check out a horror movie

1600
01:31:10.960 --> 01:31:14.640
called The Stepfather that terryo Quinn was in. Oh my god,

1601
01:31:14.800 --> 01:31:17.119
it'll blow your mind out. It is great. He is

1602
01:31:17.279 --> 01:31:20.279
just so great because he's so likable. In parts of

1603
01:31:20.359 --> 01:31:23.880
this episode he will remember Ben and we was okay,

1604
01:31:24.000 --> 01:31:26.239
and I'm just a good guy. One piece of equipment

1605
01:31:26.279 --> 01:31:27.840
to beam up please. I mean, he's just you know,

1606
01:31:29.279 --> 01:31:31.399
there's moments where you're like, just like him. He's it's

1607
01:31:31.479 --> 01:31:35.039
a great role or really really really good performance and

1608
01:31:35.600 --> 01:31:37.199
he and I think he does a great job showing

1609
01:31:37.239 --> 01:31:42.319
how complicated evil can be. Right, So fascinating work and

1610
01:31:42.920 --> 01:31:44.159
I just got to say, this has been a really

1611
01:31:44.600 --> 01:31:49.479
great theme for tonight's episode. Is really I've been a

1612
01:31:49.560 --> 01:31:52.600
catalyst for some fun conversation. But that's enough of my talking.

1613
01:31:53.319 --> 01:31:55.039
Cool. Thanks Paul, and I know you got to go

1614
01:31:55.079 --> 01:31:56.159
a little early, so thanks to Do.

1615
01:31:56.560 --> 01:31:57.359
I apologize.

1616
01:31:57.600 --> 01:31:59.520
Yeah, no problem, man. We will catch up with you

1617
01:31:59.600 --> 01:31:59.920
next week.

1618
01:32:00.279 --> 01:32:02.760
Thanks fellas being back later, Paul.

1619
01:32:05.000 --> 01:32:06.760
All right, David, do you want to go next? On

1620
01:32:06.840 --> 01:32:09.520
this one? Is Eric Pressman an evil admiral?

1621
01:32:11.479 --> 01:32:18.720
Well, well, so there was this whole thing about the Romulans. Yes,

1622
01:32:18.960 --> 01:32:25.119
and with any empire, it's really I can't really imagine

1623
01:32:25.279 --> 01:32:28.600
what it would be like to run an empire when

1624
01:32:28.760 --> 01:32:32.560
you have other empires out there. They're just like constantly

1625
01:32:34.880 --> 01:32:38.279
wanting to wipe you off the face of the galaxy basically,

1626
01:32:38.560 --> 01:32:43.880
And honestly, I can see hit point, I honestly can.

1627
01:32:44.159 --> 01:32:46.840
I mean that treaty that they made with Romulin back

1628
01:32:46.960 --> 01:32:52.199
sixty some years ago, it was then that they agreed

1629
01:32:52.279 --> 01:32:57.840
to not probably when the Romulin Earth War ended, per se.

1630
01:32:58.079 --> 01:33:00.840
I mean then they mentioned that the Romulin War lasted

1631
01:33:00.840 --> 01:33:03.880
for hundreds of years, and so that treaty was Algoron

1632
01:33:04.039 --> 01:33:09.039
probably took place two Finally, in that war and then

1633
01:33:09.119 --> 01:33:12.439
they decided to you know, drawborder or whatever and everything

1634
01:33:12.520 --> 01:33:17.479
like that. But honestly, sixty years ago for treaty that

1635
01:33:17.720 --> 01:33:23.159
long ago probably means that the Romulants had gotten better

1636
01:33:23.319 --> 01:33:28.600
technology to even like the fake cloaking for instance, to

1637
01:33:28.920 --> 01:33:34.640
get beyond the Federation's cloaking mechanism to detect them and stuff.

1638
01:33:34.720 --> 01:33:38.159
So I would imagine that he's trying to make sure

1639
01:33:38.319 --> 01:33:42.880
that the Romulans don't get a better advantage against them.

1640
01:33:43.439 --> 01:33:48.760
So technically I can see his point and if he's evil,

1641
01:33:49.000 --> 01:33:51.920
So he was probably evil in that one category. Like

1642
01:33:52.119 --> 01:33:55.399
Paul said, you know, he was frustrated was he the

1643
01:33:55.560 --> 01:33:59.920
sequence and the stuff that was happening? But I don't

1644
01:34:00.079 --> 01:34:04.000
really think he evil. I mean, even before before all this,

1645
01:34:04.279 --> 01:34:07.439
you know, he he had a lot of sense of

1646
01:34:07.680 --> 01:34:10.800
being honorable and you know, all the kind of fun stuff,

1647
01:34:11.279 --> 01:34:19.239
the idea that he had this ajenda that he had going. Yeah,

1648
01:34:19.840 --> 01:34:21.760
I don't know, to be honest, I don't think he

1649
01:34:21.880 --> 01:34:25.079
was evil. I think he's just he's not really good either,

1650
01:34:25.720 --> 01:34:28.399
But I mean, yeah, I honestly don't think he was

1651
01:34:28.439 --> 01:34:29.319
actually all that evil.

1652
01:34:30.560 --> 01:34:31.319
What do you think, Charles?

1653
01:34:34.319 --> 01:34:38.600
Okay, you sit there and have your oath of office

1654
01:34:39.159 --> 01:34:46.520
as an officer to respect the law the I would

1655
01:34:46.520 --> 01:34:50.880
say the laws of the Federation, but the Constitution of

1656
01:34:50.920 --> 01:34:56.199
the Federation and all content. And one of them is

1657
01:34:56.399 --> 01:35:07.399
a Treaty of Algiers pronunciation Algeron, which one helped to

1658
01:35:08.199 --> 01:35:11.800
And I think I think I saw memory apps like

1659
01:35:11.800 --> 01:35:14.039
one hundred and sixty years ago with one hundred and

1660
01:35:14.039 --> 01:35:19.720
sixty years prior had been to the Romulan war. But

1661
01:35:19.880 --> 01:35:25.920
this created the neutral zone, and this created the piece,

1662
01:35:27.600 --> 01:35:36.359
a respected piece between the Romulans and the Federation. And TNG.

1663
01:35:36.680 --> 01:35:40.920
You noticed we didn't really have a lot of conflicts

1664
01:35:41.920 --> 01:35:44.800
with the Romulans. They were out there, but we weren't

1665
01:35:44.880 --> 01:35:46.920
having big, major wars with them.

1666
01:35:47.960 --> 01:35:52.520
We were mostly at peace with them. And this one

1667
01:35:52.600 --> 01:35:59.199
admiral wants to sit there and pass around cloaking cloaking devices,

1668
01:35:59.279 --> 01:36:03.520
so we can sit there and break the Federation treaty

1669
01:36:03.800 --> 01:36:08.199
and maybe go back to war with the Romulans. Ah,

1670
01:36:08.279 --> 01:36:10.520
I'm not sure. I think the Federation wanted to go

1671
01:36:10.680 --> 01:36:14.079
back to war with the Romulans, especially when the Romulans

1672
01:36:14.119 --> 01:36:17.239
were there to help us when we went to the

1673
01:36:17.399 --> 01:36:22.520
next war during Dominions. So I think he did mean.

1674
01:36:22.520 --> 01:36:26.000
That's a great yeah, Charles, just that that what you

1675
01:36:26.159 --> 01:36:28.319
just said right there. To me, I think there's a

1676
01:36:28.359 --> 01:36:32.680
lot of similarities between this scenario and in The Pale Moonlight,

1677
01:36:33.479 --> 01:36:36.279
which is, you know, the bad thing Cisco does to

1678
01:36:36.399 --> 01:36:37.960
bring the Romulans into the war.

1679
01:36:38.159 --> 01:36:42.600
Absolutely, yes, but it's definitely I think this was an

1680
01:36:42.640 --> 01:36:46.920
evil admiral because you're trying to break treaties and sit

1681
01:36:47.000 --> 01:36:52.199
there and bring war to the Federation. No, a good

1682
01:36:52.239 --> 01:36:54.479
admiral would not be sitting there raid to start war

1683
01:36:54.640 --> 01:37:00.279
with with the Romulans. In fact, I think that would

1684
01:37:00.279 --> 01:37:06.800
be an interesting Star Trek Show movie or something we

1685
01:37:06.920 --> 01:37:11.119
go back and talk about that early war, because that's

1686
01:37:11.439 --> 01:37:12.720
that's probably been in the novels.

1687
01:37:12.800 --> 01:37:16.600
Only there was a good fan film about it too.

1688
01:37:16.720 --> 01:37:20.520
But yeah, I would love to see that on in

1689
01:37:20.800 --> 01:37:25.880
Cannon for sure. Yes, all right, Jim, you got the

1690
01:37:25.920 --> 01:37:26.760
caboose on this one.

1691
01:37:30.319 --> 01:37:32.640
I think that first of all, I think he's milked

1692
01:37:32.680 --> 01:37:38.920
too many space cows, just like he's welt one too

1693
01:37:38.960 --> 01:37:42.479
many space cow. Of all the arables we have seen,

1694
01:37:42.880 --> 01:37:47.720
I think he's the least evil of them all because

1695
01:37:48.680 --> 01:37:54.119
he's not sacrificing millions of people, he's not directly violating

1696
01:37:54.199 --> 01:37:57.760
the prime director of what he's doing is he's violating

1697
01:37:57.880 --> 01:38:02.720
a treaty with the Romulans to develop a phased cloaking

1698
01:38:02.800 --> 01:38:07.239
device that he feels will protect the Federation, whereas a

1699
01:38:07.279 --> 01:38:10.000
lot of the other Amerals will, well, we have talked

1700
01:38:10.000 --> 01:38:16.239
about tonight. We're openly and blatantly violating Federation laws. Uh.

1701
01:38:16.680 --> 01:38:22.359
This guy's violating a treaty. He's not murdering people, he's

1702
01:38:22.439 --> 01:38:27.840
not relocating people. He's just doing something underhanded, backwards back,

1703
01:38:27.920 --> 01:38:31.039
He's stabbing people in the back, and he's pulling Riker

1704
01:38:31.079 --> 01:38:34.399
into it. And I think this is a great opportunity

1705
01:38:34.439 --> 01:38:36.760
for Riker. We learn a lot about Rikers in this

1706
01:38:36.880 --> 01:38:41.319
particular episode, so I don't think he's evil like the

1707
01:38:41.399 --> 01:38:44.439
other Amerals are. I think that he's misled in his

1708
01:38:44.640 --> 01:38:48.119
desire to protect the Federation. And as far as cloaking goes,

1709
01:38:48.199 --> 01:38:51.600
let's let's let's be fair about this. The Federation's ability

1710
01:38:51.760 --> 01:38:57.239
to uh uh see through cloaking devices, I think keeps

1711
01:38:57.279 --> 01:39:00.600
pace with the Romulans and the Klingon's ability to create

1712
01:39:00.760 --> 01:39:03.479
cloaking devices. So I think it's just a one up

1713
01:39:03.640 --> 01:39:06.239
thing here. And even if he did develop this face

1714
01:39:06.319 --> 01:39:09.079
cloaking thing. How long would it be before the Romulans,

1715
01:39:09.439 --> 01:39:13.880
you know, came up with a super phase whatever, and

1716
01:39:14.039 --> 01:39:18.319
so technology is always leap frogging, so you know, to

1717
01:39:18.439 --> 01:39:23.399
violate your oath for technology now is a bad thing?

1718
01:39:24.119 --> 01:39:27.680
Is he evil? I don't think so, so that's my take.

1719
01:39:28.359 --> 01:39:31.520
All right on? All right, guys, Well, thank you for

1720
01:39:31.680 --> 01:39:34.680
that Evil Admirals discussion. I hope you had fun talking

1721
01:39:34.760 --> 01:39:38.760
about these six evil admirals. I tend to agree with

1722
01:39:38.840 --> 01:39:41.920
you all on Eric Pressman probably the least evil of

1723
01:39:42.000 --> 01:39:45.000
all the admirals we talked about. Of course, folks, this

1724
01:39:45.199 --> 01:39:47.960
is just Starfleet Admirals Part one, so you can look

1725
01:39:48.000 --> 01:39:52.000
forward to other Admirals discussions on future Trek Talking podcasts.

1726
01:39:52.840 --> 01:39:55.479
Thank you so much. All right, Jim, you got the

1727
01:39:55.560 --> 01:39:56.399
mic back now, buddy.

1728
01:39:58.479 --> 01:40:00.680
All right, guys, well you know what time it is now?

1729
01:40:01.760 --> 01:40:03.319
I bet you do. It's time for this.

1730
01:40:22.000 --> 01:40:23.359
That was not a cleon song.

1731
01:40:24.279 --> 01:40:26.920
All right, guys, this is the part of the show

1732
01:40:26.960 --> 01:40:29.159
where we go over our Star Trek birthdays and we

1733
01:40:29.239 --> 01:40:31.479
always start off by remembering those members of our Star

1734
01:40:31.560 --> 01:40:35.000
Trek family who, sadly enough, are no longer with us,

1735
01:40:35.520 --> 01:40:37.680
and for that we're going to turn to Eric, and

1736
01:40:38.159 --> 01:40:40.840
Eric is going to do our remembrances, and he's also

1737
01:40:40.960 --> 01:40:43.640
going to have the rare opportunity to do some live

1738
01:40:44.600 --> 01:40:50.399
birthdays as well. So Eric, take it away, buddy, You.

1739
01:40:50.439 --> 01:40:52.319
Got it, Jim. This week we're going to remember three

1740
01:40:52.399 --> 01:40:54.840
members of our Star Trek community who have gone before us.

1741
01:40:54.920 --> 01:40:58.840
The first is actor Rhodes Reason. Rhodes Reason was an

1742
01:40:58.880 --> 01:41:02.039
actor who played Fleet in the original series second season

1743
01:41:02.119 --> 01:41:07.039
episode Bred and Circuses. His career span nearly forty years,

1744
01:41:07.159 --> 01:41:10.119
and he actually appeared in over two hundred and thirty

1745
01:41:10.319 --> 01:41:15.119
roles in television, movie, and stage. Some of the films

1746
01:41:15.159 --> 01:41:19.239
that Reason appeared in include Tension at Table Rock with DeForest,

1747
01:41:19.319 --> 01:41:24.159
Kelly Kat Murk Hill and The Silks from nineteen seventy six.

1748
01:41:24.680 --> 01:41:28.720
He also appeared in the television movie A Sensitive Passionate Man.

1749
01:41:29.119 --> 01:41:30.520
He may have never heard of those, but those were

1750
01:41:30.520 --> 01:41:32.600
a big time at the time that they were released.

1751
01:41:33.159 --> 01:41:35.279
In fact, in nineteen fifty six, he filmed a half

1752
01:41:35.359 --> 01:41:38.119
hour TV pilot in which he and John Smith played

1753
01:41:38.159 --> 01:41:43.039
commercial divers named respectively, Tom Gorman and Mike Gilbert. This

1754
01:41:43.239 --> 01:41:47.359
afforded him ample opportunities for beefcake shots, because I mean,

1755
01:41:48.079 --> 01:41:52.479
just look at this guy. He's built. So unfortunately, we

1756
01:41:52.600 --> 01:41:54.840
lost Rhodes way back in twenty fourteen, at the right

1757
01:41:54.880 --> 01:41:56.920
old age of eighty four years old. He was born

1758
01:41:57.319 --> 01:42:02.239
April nineteenth, nineteen thirty. Happy Birthday to Rhodes Reason. Happy

1759
01:42:02.279 --> 01:42:06.159
birthday as well to Jill Dorothy Ireland. The English actress

1760
01:42:06.159 --> 01:42:09.760
who played Layla Colombi in the TOS first season episode

1761
01:42:10.239 --> 01:42:13.520
This Side of Paradise. She started her entertainment career at

1762
01:42:13.560 --> 01:42:16.680
age sixteen as a dancer, and made her credited screen

1763
01:42:16.760 --> 01:42:20.960
debut in nineteen fifty five in Michael Powell's Oh Rosalinda,

1764
01:42:21.119 --> 01:42:24.800
after having a big part in another movie. Years later,

1765
01:42:24.960 --> 01:42:28.880
she married David McCallum and in from nineteen sixty eight

1766
01:42:28.960 --> 01:42:32.399
until her death, she was married to Charles Bronson, another guy.

1767
01:42:32.840 --> 01:42:35.640
You see a nice photo of them together there in

1768
01:42:35.720 --> 01:42:39.159
the video that David's put together. Unfortunately, she was diagnosed

1769
01:42:39.199 --> 01:42:43.359
with breast cancer back in nineteen eighty four, ended up

1770
01:42:43.399 --> 01:42:45.840
writing about her battle and becoming an advocate for the

1771
01:42:45.880 --> 01:42:49.720
American Cancer Society, which led to the organization giving her

1772
01:42:50.039 --> 01:42:55.359
its Courage Award. We lost her at the young age

1773
01:42:55.479 --> 01:42:59.359
from that problem of only fifty four years old. Back

1774
01:42:59.399 --> 01:43:02.720
in nineteen ninety. Jill Dorothy Ireland was born in April

1775
01:43:02.800 --> 01:43:07.119
twenty fourth, nineteen thirty six. Happy birthday to her, and

1776
01:43:07.199 --> 01:43:10.119
happy birthday, last but not least, on our remembrance list

1777
01:43:10.239 --> 01:43:13.840
to Judy Levitt. She's the actress who appeared in three

1778
01:43:14.000 --> 01:43:17.600
Star Trek films. Was also the wife of tos star

1779
01:43:17.840 --> 01:43:21.079
Walter Kanigg, whom she married in nineteen sixty five, and

1780
01:43:21.159 --> 01:43:24.840
of course then by that same token, the mother of

1781
01:43:25.279 --> 01:43:28.920
the Star Trek Deep Space nine guest star Andrew Kanigg.

1782
01:43:29.600 --> 01:43:32.640
So her three roles were as a Mercy hospital doctor

1783
01:43:32.760 --> 01:43:35.560
in Star Trek four, The Voyage Home. She was a

1784
01:43:35.760 --> 01:43:40.239
Starfleet command admiral in Starfleet in Star Trek sixth The

1785
01:43:40.359 --> 01:43:43.640
Undiscovered Country. In fact, we saw her in that last

1786
01:43:43.760 --> 01:43:46.520
scene that we were just looking at with Admiral Cartwright.

1787
01:43:46.840 --> 01:43:49.840
And she also played an al Aurian's survivor in Star

1788
01:43:49.960 --> 01:43:53.119
Trek Generations. She also had several bit parts in other

1789
01:43:53.239 --> 01:43:56.560
projects her husband worked on, including two appearances as a

1790
01:43:56.680 --> 01:44:00.319
psy cop on Babylon five and as a Space shuttle

1791
01:44:00.359 --> 01:44:04.479
commander in nineteen eighty nine's Moontrap, one of those rare

1792
01:44:04.640 --> 01:44:07.399
Roger Mora James Bond films. She had a few minor

1793
01:44:07.520 --> 01:44:10.720
roles in a few other movies and television episodes, including

1794
01:44:10.760 --> 01:44:14.680
two episodes of Mission Impossible. Along the Way. We lost

1795
01:44:14.800 --> 01:44:17.920
Judy Levitt back in twenty twenty two at the age

1796
01:44:17.920 --> 01:44:21.159
of eighty three years old. Her birthday is April twenty fourth,

1797
01:44:21.680 --> 01:44:25.520
nineteen thirty nine. Happy Birthday, Judy Levin. And that does

1798
01:44:25.600 --> 01:44:28.159
it for our remembrances this week, guys. So I'm going

1799
01:44:28.199 --> 01:44:30.920
to pass this flaming birthday candle over to Charles.

1800
01:44:31.560 --> 01:44:35.800
Oh, thank you, Eric. Let's start off the Happy birthday

1801
01:44:35.840 --> 01:44:42.199
to Mike Gomez, who played two Devin Frangi DW Damon

1802
01:44:42.359 --> 01:44:45.720
Tar in Star Trek Next Generation first season episode The

1803
01:44:45.840 --> 01:44:51.399
Last Outpost and Damon Louren in the six season episode Rascals.

1804
01:44:54.439 --> 01:44:58.920
Happy birthday to Robert Hooks, actors who played Adamiral Morrow

1805
01:44:59.239 --> 01:45:01.680
in Star Trek three The Search for Spock.

1806
01:45:02.680 --> 01:45:02.880
Oh.

1807
01:45:03.880 --> 01:45:10.039
I think we talked about the Admiral earlier tonight, So

1808
01:45:10.199 --> 01:45:14.359
happy birthday, Robert, even though you are an evil Admiral.

1809
01:45:15.720 --> 01:45:21.680
Heavy birthday to Ian Alexander, American actor and twitch streamer

1810
01:45:21.760 --> 01:45:24.840
who plays Grey Tall in the third and fourth seasons

1811
01:45:25.239 --> 01:45:30.880
of Star Trek Discovery. Right to have Ian in Discovery,

1812
01:45:30.960 --> 01:45:33.840
I think he was a good choice of adding some

1813
01:45:34.000 --> 01:45:41.399
diversity into Discovery. Happy birthday to James Dolly, actress who

1814
01:45:41.520 --> 01:45:44.920
portrayed Valeria in his char Treks The Next.

1815
01:45:44.880 --> 01:45:51.359
Uration Thursdays an episode The Most Toys which we definitely

1816
01:45:51.520 --> 01:45:54.119
discuss later on in Lower Decks.

1817
01:45:56.000 --> 01:46:01.720
Heavy Birthday to Rod Loomis, who played Paul my Mannheim

1818
01:46:02.000 --> 01:46:05.760
and TG's first is an episode will always have Paris,

1819
01:46:06.720 --> 01:46:11.000
best known for playing Sigmund Freud in Bill and Ted's

1820
01:46:11.159 --> 01:46:20.319
Excellent Adventures and Then I Got a Big One, A

1821
01:46:20.840 --> 01:46:27.199
very big warm Happy birthday to George Decay, Japanese American actor,

1822
01:46:27.319 --> 01:46:32.079
best known for his roles Harkriszulu and Star Trek franchise

1823
01:46:33.840 --> 01:46:35.960
and The and the TV Move in the mo in

1824
01:46:36.079 --> 01:46:40.560
the TV series and the animated series in All the

1825
01:46:40.720 --> 01:46:47.199
TuS movies. Also very well known as as his work

1826
01:46:47.399 --> 01:46:52.479
in Broadway. We have talked about his book about the

1827
01:46:52.960 --> 01:46:58.880
and the interment of the Japanese in World War Two

1828
01:47:00.159 --> 01:47:08.079
and ew for a little while well known as being

1829
01:47:08.159 --> 01:47:12.720
in the term being called Uncle George. As in early

1830
01:47:12.840 --> 01:47:16.960
years in Facebook he was a big activist and did

1831
01:47:17.000 --> 01:47:19.760
a lot of discussions, stirred up a lot of stuff

1832
01:47:19.960 --> 01:47:26.119
and wrote a couple of good books about it. So

1833
01:47:26.399 --> 01:47:30.279
Happy birthday, George, You're so happy or who are still

1834
01:47:30.359 --> 01:47:30.760
with us?

1835
01:47:32.079 --> 01:47:34.720
I'm gonna take this flaming candle, he went back to Eric,

1836
01:47:35.479 --> 01:47:37.319
and don't burn your fingers, all right?

1837
01:47:38.600 --> 01:47:40.960
Yes see, if I can hold it just a little

1838
01:47:40.960 --> 01:47:43.039
bit longer, we'd like to say Happy birthday this week

1839
01:47:43.520 --> 01:47:47.359
to an amazing musician and actress, Ashley Judd, the actress

1840
01:47:47.359 --> 01:47:50.680
who played Robin Leffler in the TNG fifth season episodes

1841
01:47:50.760 --> 01:47:54.039
Dharmack and The Game. I think it was all we

1842
01:47:54.159 --> 01:47:56.000
all thought. It was a real treat to see her

1843
01:47:56.079 --> 01:47:58.479
show up in Star Trek and kind of a surprise

1844
01:47:58.720 --> 01:48:02.600
at the time. So born April nineteenth, nineteen sixty eight,

1845
01:48:03.079 --> 01:48:06.920
Happy birthday to Ashley Judd. Happy birthday as well to

1846
01:48:07.079 --> 01:48:10.640
Eleanor Donna Hue, the American actress who played Nancy Hedford

1847
01:48:10.720 --> 01:48:14.640
in the TOS second season episode Metamorphosis, one of those

1848
01:48:14.720 --> 01:48:18.239
episodes that I think sometimes people forget about, but she

1849
01:48:18.319 --> 01:48:21.159
made real contributions to Star Treks. She was also born

1850
01:48:21.199 --> 01:48:24.000
on April nineteenth, but way back in nineteen thirty seven,

1851
01:48:24.079 --> 01:48:28.359
and she is still with us. Happy birthday, Eleanor. Happy

1852
01:48:28.399 --> 01:48:32.279
birthday as well to Can I say a titan of film,

1853
01:48:32.359 --> 01:48:36.079
I think I can. Clint Howard, who you know, has

1854
01:48:36.199 --> 01:48:39.479
been in a million million things. He played in Star Trek,

1855
01:48:39.600 --> 01:48:42.960
of course, played Baylock in the TOS first season episode

1856
01:48:43.000 --> 01:48:46.720
The Corbamite Maneuver. He also played Grady in Deep Space

1857
01:48:46.880 --> 01:48:51.199
Nines third season episodes Past Tense Part two. He also

1858
01:48:51.279 --> 01:48:55.760
played Mook in Enterprise's first season episode Acquisition, and a

1859
01:48:55.840 --> 01:49:00.680
creepy a Ry in Discovery Discovery's first season episode will

1860
01:49:00.760 --> 01:49:03.920
You Take My Hand? But That's not it. There's one more.

1861
01:49:04.079 --> 01:49:08.279
He also played Buck Martinez in Strange New World's second

1862
01:49:08.359 --> 01:49:12.039
season episode Under the Cloak of war Man. This guy

1863
01:49:12.119 --> 01:49:14.479
has been all over Star Trek, and it's been fun

1864
01:49:14.560 --> 01:49:17.319
to see him showing up over and over again because

1865
01:49:17.359 --> 01:49:19.520
I think we are all pretty familiar with the Corpo

1866
01:49:19.600 --> 01:49:22.079
Might maneuver and still think of him in that sort

1867
01:49:22.119 --> 01:49:24.720
of child guys, but of course we've seen him so

1868
01:49:24.840 --> 01:49:28.279
many more times as a fully grown adult person. Not

1869
01:49:28.399 --> 01:49:30.159
that he wasn't an adult at that time, but.

1870
01:49:31.640 --> 01:49:32.039
But yeah.

1871
01:49:32.199 --> 01:49:34.399
Happy birthday to Clint Howard, and thank you so much

1872
01:49:34.479 --> 01:49:36.640
for all of your Star Trek contributions. Your birthday was

1873
01:49:36.680 --> 01:49:41.800
April twentieth. Happy birthday as well to a pop star

1874
01:49:42.039 --> 01:49:46.199
with a very apropos last name. Iggy Pop is the

1875
01:49:46.319 --> 01:49:51.199
stage name of James Newell Ousterberg Junior, a rock singer,

1876
01:49:51.880 --> 01:49:55.560
songwriter an occasional actor who appeared as Yelgren one of

1877
01:49:55.640 --> 01:49:59.359
our fun little Vorda here in the DS nine six

1878
01:49:59.399 --> 01:50:02.680
season episod The Magnificent FORENGI I remember seeing his face

1879
01:50:02.720 --> 01:50:05.399
for the first time and going like, wait, is that

1880
01:50:06.039 --> 01:50:08.319
is that Iggy Pop? That is Iggy Pops son of

1881
01:50:08.319 --> 01:50:10.600
a Gun? And then sure enough his name was in

1882
01:50:10.680 --> 01:50:13.520
the credits. So, Iggy Pop, thank you so much for

1883
01:50:13.960 --> 01:50:17.680
forcing your way onto the Star Trucks set. We really

1884
01:50:17.720 --> 01:50:20.359
appreciate that you were part of the franchise. Buddy, Happy

1885
01:50:20.399 --> 01:50:22.680
birthday to you. You were born on April twenty first,

1886
01:50:23.640 --> 01:50:26.720
Happy birthday as well to Gabrielle Damon, the actor who,

1887
01:50:26.760 --> 01:50:30.279
at the age of thirteen years old, played Jeremy Astor

1888
01:50:30.960 --> 01:50:35.319
in TNG's third season episode The Bondig. I thought he

1889
01:50:35.399 --> 01:50:37.479
did a great job in this, and in fact he

1890
01:50:37.640 --> 01:50:40.359
was born only in nineteen seventy six, so what is that.

1891
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I think he's just turning fifty this year. So, Gabrielle Damon,

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thank you so much for your Star Trek contributions in

1893
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that fantastic episode Happy Birthday, as well to Kate Vernon,

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the actress who played a member of Species eight four

1895
01:50:53.880 --> 01:50:57.760
to seven to two, impersonating Commander Valerie Archer in the

1896
01:50:57.840 --> 01:51:02.359
Voyager fifth season episode In the Flesh, another dark horse

1897
01:51:02.520 --> 01:51:05.720
of Voyagers episodes not too shabby at all, and Kate

1898
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Vernon is one of the key components of that episode.

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Happy Birthday to You. Also born April twenty first, and last,

1900
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but not least on Paul's list my list tonight is

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the fantastic and prolific actor Jack Quaid, one of our

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01:51:19.840 --> 01:51:23.520
newer Star Trek members. He's the actor who voices Brad Bloimler,

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01:51:23.640 --> 01:51:27.119
our purple haired friend in Star Trek Lower Decks. He

1904
01:51:27.279 --> 01:51:30.319
reprised this role in live action in the Star Trek

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Strange New World second season episode Those Old Scientists, and

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if you have not seen him play that part, you

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should give it a go, because him and Tony Newsom

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together are just as good live as they are animated.

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Jack Quaid born April twenty fourth, nineteen ninety two. That

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feels like just yesterday to me, but Happy Birthday to him,

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01:51:51.920 --> 01:51:55.039
so that does it for that list, and Jim, you're

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bringing up the caboose on the birthdays here, Buddy.

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Absolutely, and I like to do the Klingons last. My

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first birthday is not a Klingon, he's a Vulcan. We

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want to say happy birthday to vag Potenza, the actor

1916
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who played Spock at age thirteen is star Trek three

1917
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The Search for Spock. He's from New York City, New

1918
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York and now he works primarily behind the camera. Why

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did I do him when he's not a Klingon Because

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we had him on this podcast and he was so

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01:52:22.840 --> 01:52:26.720
much fun to talk to, major sci fi fan. We

1922
01:52:26.800 --> 01:52:30.319
talked about Logan's run, Battle Beyond the Stars, Battlestar Go

1923
01:52:30.439 --> 01:52:33.800
Live to go Buck Rogers. He was great to talk to.

1924
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So go over to Trek talkin dot com and find

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the podcast with him and listen to it because he

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was awesome. Happy birthday, and now we're going to get

1927
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to some Klingons. We want to say cup La to

1928
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Alan Oppenheimer, the Emmy Award nominated actor who appeared as

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Coreth in TNG six season episode The Rightful Air. He

1930
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also played Captain Keyho and DS nine second season episode

1931
01:53:00.119 --> 01:53:03.520
Jim Hadar. He was the captain of the USS Odyssey,

1932
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the Galaxy class starship that bit the dust. He also

1933
01:53:08.399 --> 01:53:13.159
appeared as a Nazoo ambassador in The Voyager third season

1934
01:53:13.239 --> 01:53:18.760
episode The Rise. Happy birthday to Alan Oppenheimer. We also

1935
01:53:18.840 --> 01:53:23.199
want to say called La, and happy birthday to Lisa

1936
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l Sero. She played the role of Ensign Murroe Paris

1937
01:53:27.319 --> 01:53:30.880
and the Star Trek Voyager seven season episode End Game.

1938
01:53:31.319 --> 01:53:34.039
I'm not sure if that character is real or not

1939
01:53:34.199 --> 01:53:39.239
because Jane Way reset the whole future, So does she

1940
01:53:39.439 --> 01:53:41.000
still exist or doesn't.

1941
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She exist in people's memories?

1942
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Right?

1943
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Yeah, yeah, actually I don't know. That whole thing is

1944
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kind of weird.

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Yeah, but we're gonna wish her a happy birthday anyways.

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And last on my list is Robert Decou from Oklahoma.

1947
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He's the actor who played Agora in Star Trek Deep

1948
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Space nine's fourth season episode The Suns of Mogue. And

1949
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there he is on the screen, right there, got La

1950
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to Robert, and that wraps up our Star Trek birthdays.

1951
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And now it's time for our Star Trek.

1952
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New Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on Secure.

1953
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Channel incoming transmission enter authorization code command codes verified, define

1954
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parameters of program level nine. Authorization required specifying parameters.

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Transfer updata is complete.

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A blank alert, blank alert.

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All right, Eric, take it away, buddy, you've got our

1958
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first news story.

1959
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All right, this is a bit of information that I

1960
01:54:47.520 --> 01:54:50.159
got so excited about. I immediately sent it to the

1961
01:54:50.239 --> 01:54:52.880
group and then realized that it wasn't really the premiere,

1962
01:54:53.079 --> 01:54:55.239
but it's kind of the premiere. Star Trek's Strange New

1963
01:54:55.279 --> 01:55:00.600
world Season three to premiere at the Tribeca Festival twenty five.

1964
01:55:00.720 --> 01:55:03.640
That's not for us, but maybe we'll get soon. Afterwards,

1965
01:55:04.119 --> 01:55:07.680
the twenty twenty five Tribeca Film Festival announced its lineup

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of television and original independent episodic series. The festival, which

1967
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takes place from June fourth to fifteenth in New York City,

1968
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showcases highly anticipated world premiers of new and returning programs,

1969
01:55:19.479 --> 01:55:23.840
along with exclusive panels featuring select cast members from major

1970
01:55:23.920 --> 01:55:28.000
networks and streamers. Among its lineup, the third season of

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01:55:28.119 --> 01:55:32.239
Star trek Strange New Worlds will premiere on June fourteenth.

1972
01:55:33.000 --> 01:55:35.680
Following the season three world premiere, Tribeca will host a

1973
01:55:35.800 --> 01:55:42.800
conversation with Anson mount Ethan Peck, Celia Rose Gooding, Babs Olusan, Ulcunn,

1974
01:55:43.600 --> 01:55:48.159
Carol Cain, and executive producers Alex Kurtzman, Akiva Goldsman and

1975
01:55:48.319 --> 01:55:52.000
Henry Alonzo Myers. An exciting twist on classic Star Trek

1976
01:55:52.079 --> 01:55:54.960
season three takes characters both new and beloved to new

1977
01:55:55.039 --> 01:55:59.640
heights and dives into thrilling adventures of faith, duty, romance,

1978
01:56:00.439 --> 01:56:05.039
and mystery with varying genres never before seen on any

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01:56:05.239 --> 01:56:08.239
Star Trek. So I am super excited that it's at

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01:56:08.319 --> 01:56:11.680
least going to be shown on somebody's screen on June fourteenth,

1981
01:56:11.840 --> 01:56:15.439
and I believe, as Charles indicated in our group chat,

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01:56:16.000 --> 01:56:19.760
we often will see the thing premiere in the United

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01:56:19.800 --> 01:56:23.520
States soon afterwards, so we're all keeping our fingers crossed.

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01:56:23.560 --> 01:56:26.079
Maybe a couple weeks after that. We've gotten confirmation it's

1985
01:56:26.199 --> 01:56:28.439
going to be over in Europe in August, but we

1986
01:56:28.520 --> 01:56:30.199
think we're going to get it about a month before that,

1987
01:56:30.439 --> 01:56:37.000
so we'll have to see. Yep, all right, Charles, I

1988
01:56:37.079 --> 01:56:38.840
think we got just enough time to squeeze you in

1989
01:56:38.960 --> 01:56:40.239
here too, all right.

1990
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Star Trek Very Special Strange Day World Episode four oh

1991
01:56:45.159 --> 01:56:53.399
four raps filming director Axcel Carrol confirms the filming confirm

1992
01:56:53.439 --> 01:56:56.479
that filming on paramounts Star Trek Strange Day World's episode

1993
01:56:56.520 --> 01:57:00.600
four four as officially wrapped after learning that the third

1994
01:57:00.720 --> 01:57:04.119
season would be dropped this summer. With the release of

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01:57:04.199 --> 01:57:07.600
a new teaser, we're checking about how things are going

1996
01:57:07.720 --> 01:57:11.800
with filming in the fourth season. Direct your axul Care

1997
01:57:12.760 --> 01:57:17.720
Excel care of Carolyn, American horror story double feature Haunting

1998
01:57:17.920 --> 01:57:22.800
a Blind manner has been dropping updates. It's very interesting

1999
01:57:22.960 --> 01:57:28.920
teases about season's fourth episode, referring to it as being

2000
01:57:29.000 --> 01:57:34.159
a very special episode. Carolyn offers a Hartfeld post about

2001
01:57:34.199 --> 01:57:38.039
their experiences working in the Star Trek universe. Has also

2002
01:57:38.119 --> 01:57:42.000
confirmed that filming on the episode has ramped. When honor

2003
01:57:42.880 --> 01:57:45.119
to join the Star Trek family and to be a

2004
01:57:45.199 --> 01:57:48.079
tiny part of the history by the greatest sci fi

2005
01:57:48.239 --> 01:57:52.880
franchise of all times. Huge thanks to Chris Henry and Akiva,

2006
01:57:53.439 --> 01:57:55.800
as well as a whole cast and crew for welcoming

2007
01:57:55.840 --> 01:57:59.800
me so warmly. Episode four, season four of Star Trek's

2008
01:57:59.840 --> 01:58:03.560
Change which Your World is the Wrong, My Heart is Full, Live,

2009
01:58:03.640 --> 01:58:07.239
long and prosper. In season three, we reconnect with the

2010
01:58:07.319 --> 01:58:12.119
crew of the USS Enterprise they based the conclusion of

2011
01:58:12.279 --> 01:58:16.279
season two is borrowing encounter with the Gorn, but new

2012
01:58:16.479 --> 01:58:20.279
life and civilization of wait, including a villain that will

2013
01:58:20.359 --> 01:58:22.359
test the character's grit and resolve.

2014
01:58:25.840 --> 01:58:28.119
All right, so we're there. We have a little bit

2015
01:58:28.159 --> 01:58:30.840
of update on a strange New world.

2016
01:58:31.039 --> 01:58:32.720
So we had to be talking about season four when

2017
01:58:32.760 --> 01:58:34.600
we haven't even seen season three yet. But I'm so

2018
01:58:34.760 --> 01:58:36.239
excited that we've got two more coming.

2019
01:58:36.640 --> 01:58:37.520
Yeah that is.

2020
01:58:39.199 --> 01:58:41.640
So you know, guys, I just want to remind you

2021
01:58:41.800 --> 01:58:45.239
that our star Trek and Beyond is back and there's

2022
01:58:45.319 --> 01:58:47.840
our brand new logo. Notice it's been updated a little

2023
01:58:47.880 --> 01:58:53.079
bit destroyer and a viper from Battlestar Galactica, the Enterprise,

2024
01:58:53.239 --> 01:58:55.319
deed of Onnium Falcon and what's that.

2025
01:58:55.479 --> 01:58:59.680
Little what's there?

2026
01:59:00.000 --> 01:59:00.079
Oh?

2027
01:59:00.119 --> 01:59:01.159
Yeah, and there's a tartist in there?

2028
01:59:01.560 --> 01:59:07.199
Artist in there? Yeah, doctor Who? Hey, the tartist doctor Who?

2029
01:59:08.479 --> 01:59:12.479
Because we did talk about Doctor Who and we covered

2030
01:59:12.520 --> 01:59:14.720
the whole season when they got the Lady doctor on there.

2031
01:59:14.760 --> 01:59:18.479
That was my first Doctor Who. Yeah, so we're we're

2032
01:59:18.760 --> 01:59:21.159
we're going to be expanding and talking about more sci fi.

2033
01:59:21.239 --> 01:59:23.760
So it was time to update our banner and there

2034
01:59:23.840 --> 01:59:25.520
it is right there. You can see it on our

2035
01:59:25.560 --> 01:59:28.760
Facebook page, Truck Talking and Beyond. Go and check it out.

2036
01:59:29.319 --> 01:59:31.920
So with that of mine, what are we going to

2037
01:59:31.960 --> 01:59:33.399
be talking about next week.

2038
01:59:33.399 --> 01:59:36.520
Eric, Oh, next week we get to start our and

2039
01:59:36.880 --> 01:59:39.680
Door March. So this week we got the drop of

2040
01:59:39.960 --> 01:59:43.880
episodes one through three of and Or season two, and

2041
01:59:43.960 --> 01:59:46.239
I believe for the next month, for the next four weeks,

2042
01:59:46.279 --> 01:59:48.600
we're going to be talking about and Or three episodes

2043
01:59:48.720 --> 01:59:53.199
every week. Uh and so you know, here's your spot, man,

2044
01:59:53.319 --> 01:59:54.560
come and see what we thought about it.

2045
01:59:55.039 --> 01:59:56.880
That's right, we're going to be talking about Star Wars

2046
01:59:56.960 --> 01:59:59.520
and and my daughter Jamie's going to be joining us

2047
01:59:59.600 --> 02:00:02.000
for that as well, so we will have a female

2048
02:00:02.119 --> 02:00:03.600
perspective on the podcast.

2049
02:00:03.800 --> 02:00:06.560
Oh hey, Jim, will this be live so other people

2050
02:00:06.680 --> 02:00:07.199
can join?

2051
02:00:07.640 --> 02:00:09.640
Well, it's supposed to be live right now. I got

2052
02:00:09.720 --> 02:00:12.720
to figure out what happened. My computer screen says that

2053
02:00:12.800 --> 02:00:17.600
we are live. Yeah, it's live, but I can't find

2054
02:00:17.720 --> 02:00:19.520
the link. I don't know where it went. I linked

2055
02:00:19.560 --> 02:00:22.199
it to Facebook, but I don't see it there. I'll

2056
02:00:22.239 --> 02:00:24.479
figure it out. But at any rate, we're going to

2057
02:00:24.520 --> 02:00:27.600
be talking about and our guys, so you want to

2058
02:00:27.680 --> 02:00:29.720
tune in and check that out. So I want to

2059
02:00:29.760 --> 02:00:31.600
say thank you so much to Paul for hanging out

2060
02:00:31.640 --> 02:00:33.560
and trek talking with us. He had to bounce early.

2061
02:00:33.680 --> 02:00:35.760
Thank you, Paul, and thank you so much to Eric

2062
02:00:35.800 --> 02:00:38.279
for hanging out and putting together the Evil Admirals Show.

2063
02:00:38.640 --> 02:00:39.680
Thank you so much, Eric.

2064
02:00:40.159 --> 02:00:42.239
Absolutely that was a blast. Glad you guys had fun.

2065
02:00:42.640 --> 02:00:44.319
It was for your work too.

2066
02:00:45.520 --> 02:00:47.479
And of course thank you to Charles for hanging out

2067
02:00:47.520 --> 02:00:49.399
in Trek talking with us, and I thank you Charles.

2068
02:00:49.479 --> 02:00:51.560
I love the waving palm trees in the background.

2069
02:00:52.479 --> 02:00:55.560
Great job, Eric, good show, great.

2070
02:00:55.439 --> 02:01:00.399
Job, very good, very good. It's always great when when

2071
02:01:00.560 --> 02:01:02.399
when the work is taken off of me and put

2072
02:01:02.439 --> 02:01:07.680
on someone else. Oh and of course, thank you so

2073
02:01:07.800 --> 02:01:10.560
much to David for everything you did, for working up

2074
02:01:10.600 --> 02:01:13.079
all these great graphics and the great videos. You're definitely

2075
02:01:13.159 --> 02:01:15.479
the miracle worker. Thanks for trek talking with us, and

2076
02:01:15.560 --> 02:01:16.600
thanks for everything that you do.

2077
02:01:17.520 --> 02:01:20.239
Yeah, that was really fun, guys. Sorry about the beginning. Okay,

2078
02:01:20.520 --> 02:01:27.640
I don't know what happened my but yeah, it was

2079
02:01:27.720 --> 02:01:28.119
really fun.

2080
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I enjoyed it all right, guys, And as usual, I'm

2081
02:01:31.960 --> 02:01:35.079
your most excellent host, Uncle Jim saying, please remember start

2082
02:01:35.079 --> 02:01:38.239
Trek fans are the best fans. Sci Fi fans are

2083
02:01:38.279 --> 02:01:41.640
the best fans. How's that that's a thank you for

2084
02:01:41.840 --> 02:01:44.439
being a fan and Please everybody be good to each

2085
02:01:44.479 --> 02:01:49.039
other and stay safe. Hailing frequencies are closed. Live long

2086
02:01:49.159 --> 02:01:56.039
and prosper hi else, good guy, a station ready.

2087
02:01:55.840 --> 02:02:02.800
For departure, Sir, some problem riker. Just hoping this isn't

2088
02:02:02.800 --> 02:02:04.079
the usual way our missions will go.

2089
02:02:04.239 --> 02:02:08.079
So oh no Number one. I Actually most will be

2090
02:02:08.239 --> 02:02:17.239
much more interesting. Let's see what's out there. Engage