Episode 633- Evil Admirals of Starfleet

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0:48 I'm coming to the services. Now we talk about the series. How books on slowly down? Well, good evening, Treki's and Trekkers around the globe. It is Thursday, April twenty fourth, twenty twenty five. Welcome to episode number six hundred and thirty three of Trek Talking. By the way, we have a new name, well, we don't have a new name. We have an old name that has come back to us. We used to be Trek Talking and Beyond and when Paramount Plus I'm sorry, when CBS All Access came along and later became Paramount Plus, we had a pallethera of New Star Trek. We had almost New Star Trek every single week for well over a year. Well that's not the case anymore, and with only ten episodes of Strange New Worlds to deal with and ten episodes of Starfleet Academy at some future date, we decided that it's time to go back to our old format and we readopted the name of Star Trek Trek Talking and Beyond. And what does that mean to you guys? That means it's starting next week. We're going to be reviewing the new Star Wars and or season two episodes, episode one, two, and three next week. And we're still going to continue with all of our great Star Trek coverage. I'm still working on getting actors on

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3:06 There you go now? And I recite that in its original klingon, let's be clear. And we also have with us from Las Vegas, our very own Charles. How you doing tonight? Charles doing good? For the fans who get to see this live. Yes, I do have palm trees out and they are waving a bit. But we love waving palm trees. The weather just was too nice to want to be inside. I understand that absolutely. And we also have back from Portland, our very own David. He's our miracle worker on the show.

3:50 How you doing tonight? David? I'm doing pretty good? Pretty good. It's getting really hot over here, though, man. Yeah, I know it was. It was real hot here. It was it was breaking seventy wow in that's that is pretty intense. And let's let's swing. Let's hang out in Portland and say hello to our very own toy guy, and of course I'm talking about Paul. How you doing today, Paul. Hey man, I'm doing all right. You know, if you're ever in doubt and you need a reliable weather forecast, this is your program. Right. It's like we seem to always cover the weather and it's agociating details. Yeah, yeah, binds us all together.

4:31 It is the four right, Wow, that's true. We all have we all live on the planet where we have weather. Eric, are you sporting you I wear today? Eric? Do I notice this? Well? Usually I have the ones that are kind of clear on the bottom, and today I'm just wearing the all black ones, so they may look a little bit heavier, a little bit more prominent than normal. But yeah, so yeah, thanks for noticing. Man. You know, nothing gets by me. It's true. I tried to sneak him in and you know it's as. Sharp as a marble, you know. So I also wanted to point something else out to you guys that you may or may not be aware of. We are currently broadcasting live on Facebook. But really, yes, I lawyer, I had to let you guys know. Last week I did it by accident. Remember, I got disconnected and I froze up and I disappeared and it took me a while to get back. Well, when I came back, we were live on Facebook, and I was like, how the hell did I do that? So now now we are currently going live on Facebook, So anybody that's on our Facebook page can click on that live link and can actually be watching us right now. I'm not sure. I don't know if they'll be able to interact with us, but they can watch the show live on Facebook, which is pretty cool, crazy all right. Anyways, you guys can visit talking dot com and you can find out all kinds

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8:18 That's my evil Peter Vincent laugh from thriller. Well I try to be anyways. We also have our fans shout outs where we thank all the fans around the world just like you that are listening right now. We have our Star Trek polls. Was decommissioning the Enterprise a good choice? And what about stealing warp coils? Are you guys into that? You think that's a cool thing. We're going to talk about that on our Star Trek poles. And what Star Trek actor do you share a birthday with? You can find out on our Star Trek Birthday section. And what's going around the Star Trek universe this week. We have Strange New Worlds updates and the Doctor talks about Starfleet Academy.

9:04 So that's what we're gonna be talking about. As I already stated at the top of the show. Head over to Truck Talking and beyond. You will see a pin post of Livelong and Prosper at the top of the page. Click on that post. Tell us where you're listening from. Look for a heart next to your name from yours truly, Uncle Jim. We have lots of emoji that gets my attention, and then your name will be mentioned in a future fan shout out. So, Eric, would you like to get us started with our fan shout outs for this week? I absolutely would. We are gonna start where we often start, just across the pond over there in the UK, and we're gonna say hello this week to Terry Anthony, who's saying hello to us from Norfolk, England. Thanks for saying hey, Terry. I hope you're listening right now. I hope you're having a good time. Hope you're having a good day. I hope the weather there is good because we like to talk about that. Thanks Terry. Also saying hello this week to Horhe Gonzaga feel who is saying hello to us from Rio de Janeiro down South America. Man, we've got a lot of support down in Brazil. It's kind of cool because I feel like just about every week I get to say hello to somebody from Brazil and it's one of those places I would love to visit someday. So, Jorge Gonzagafio, I hope you are also having a good day and livelong and prosper to you. Hello as well this week to Alice Confognieri, who sang hello to us from Italia and she's waving that Italian flag very proudly.

10:26 You know, the first time I was ever in Italy was when they won the World Cup in two thousand and six. That was something else man. That was that town knows how to well. Rome, I'm sure meant all the towns in Italy, but Rome in particular knew how to party. So Alice, thanks for saying hello to us. We really appreciate your support. And last on my list, I'd like to say hello this week to Dietrich Kerner, who sang hello to us from New Hanover, Germany, right there in the center of Italy, Italy, Europe. Dietrich Kerner, thanks for saying hello to us, and I hope that you think our podcast is Auskazi net Carls, who would you like to say hello to?

11:07 Oh? Thank you Eric. Let's start off the warm Welcome the top fan, Mark Beaver from south eastern Pennsylvania. Welcome Mark. Welcome to Todd Aaron C from Mississippi, but originally from northern California, born and raised. Well, which bay are you in, Todd? Welcome to Stephanie Rourke from Michigan. Welcome Stephanie. And Dan CEO from Chicago. Oh, not far from great mistakes, David, Dan, David, who's on your list?

11:50 Yeah? Thank Charles. I would like to say thank you and one welcome to Jay Ramos from California. Next time my list is Romeo Urnya from Texas and going over toward the Kentucky area, we are going to say hello to Brandon Cowles. And last time my list is going all the way down to Florida. We would like to say hello to Laurawellan Williams. Thanks you guys for all supporting us, and Paul who's on your list? Thanks David. Let's spin the globe around here and maybe check out some different longitudes if we can. First of all, I'd like to go all the way down to New Zealand and say hello to our friend Vanessa Madson. Not sure which island that you hail from there, Vanessa. But it's just great to know that all the way down there on the other end of the planet there is enthusiasm for start very very cool. Another English speaking country on the other side of the planet. We're going to go to Leeds in England and the UK, where John Wilson, who I think we've from a couple of times in the past. John is letting us know that he's also a fan of all things Trek and this podcast. In South Africa and Praetoria, our friend Vincent Buysen is there. Hello, Vincent, how are you doing. Good to know that there's lots of science fiction enthusiasm and your continent. And going back

13:21 to Europe in the Netherlands in the amazing town of nimehen it is Hank de Borge. Hank. It is great to hear from you. Thank you so much for sharing your fondness for the Federation of Planets with us here on this podcast. Great to know that you're out there in that beautiful corner of the world. Let's hear who uncle Jim has got on his list. Why, thank you so much, Paul. First of all, I like to say kapla and thank you to John Hubrick Junior, who's listening to us from Star based Oswego in New York. Thank you. We'd also like to say hello and thank you to Marco Guerrera who's listening to us in New York City, the Big Apple. Let's go Man, Let's go Matt.

14:01 But we also want to say thank you to Dan Ceo, who's in us in Chicago. If I remember correctly, that's the city where the shit Captain is from, isn't he. Captain Liam liam Shaw from Star Trek Picard said, I'm the dip shit from Chicago. So congratulations and thank you for being a fan to Dan. And last but not least, on our list, I'd like to say thank you to Mary L. Silla, who's listening to us in Florida right now. So we are broadcasting live. But I must have done something wrong. I apologize for that. I don't see the link on the Facebook page either. I must have done something wrong. I apologize. I'll try to figure it out before next week. All right, guys, So that finishes up our shout outs. If you'd like to be mentioned in a future fan shout out and see your picture right here on the screen, head over to our Facebook page.

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15:38 All right, guys with that awesome, awesome song to put you guys in the mood to work your little naggins a little bit. It's time for our Star Trek polls. And I always try to come up with something fun, sometimes something ethical, sometimes just something stupid. But at any rate you'll have to find out. So, hey, David, why don't you run. The clip. A bunch of ship there. We know a way to insulate against the anomally substance called trillium bean. It's called trelli. I've heard of it. It's extremely rare. I have sixty kilos sitting in my. Cargo, Disi, and perhaps we can work out some sort of trade. That's what I had in mine. Given the condition of my vessel. I don't know what we can offer you. Our work engine is badly damaged.

16:20 We could probably spare a few plasm injectors, maybe some mathematics. I was thinking more along the lines of a warp coiled. I'm afraid that's one thing we can scrarect. Maybe we can make it worth your while. We have certain technology that you'd probably find useful. Without a warp coil, the journey back to our system will take three years. We're not equipped for a voyage of dead. Length, do ZINDI have already wiped out seven million of my people. Now they're building a weapon to destroy our entire world. I have to stop. Without warp drive, I won't succeeded. I sympathize, Captain. I will help you in any other way, but I won't jeopardize a life of my crew.

17:00 I'm sorry.

18:01 All Right, there you have it. So what is our poll question? Eric as if figure out? Yeah, I mean that clip is from the Enterprise episode Damage. So in this episode, the Enterprise is crippled and adrift and in need of a warp coil. They encounter an Ollyrian ship and steal the sole warp coil that that ship has, stranding them three years. Do you agree with Archer's choice? And, as often happens on these poles, seventy five seventy six percent of the people who responded this poll said heck yeah, Archer made the right choice, and twenty four percent said no, he did not make the right choice. And because I read the polls, I always get to respond first. You guys, how can the Federation being pirates be okay? This is? This is not okay?

18:57 I know, like a whole ends justifies the means, sort of like potential argument that you can make here, seven million people in Florida destroyed by the zinnimmcmau whatnot. But I tell you what, I'm pretty sure that better captains than Archer would have come up with another way to solve this problem than simply becoming pirates and stealing stuff from these people, stranding them for three years. Right, took them three years to get home. I feel like this would be a great episode to have kind of a follow up on in Strange New Worlds or something, you know, like what happened with the Illyrians after they had their work coorse sooln by Archer or something. So I am not with dominions on this one at all, I think it was absolutely wrong for Archer to do this. It's my two cents.

19:47 All right, how about you, David? Are you with dominions or against dominions? Alright, there you go. Yeah. I I think it's all very situational. I mean, I honestly think that a better captain, or a different captain, innocent would probably not have come up with a particular situation because I actually think for the sake of like Block always says one the needs of one outwiged the needs of the mini so or was it the opposite, I can't remember now, but anyway, so yeah, I'm I'm thinking that the fact that actually was in a desperate situation that he needed that whipcord, and I'm this whole situation with the being pirate and everything everything, I don't really think of it as being a pirate, and the fact that they compensated them for what they could use to survive for a three year period.

20:55 Hold on, well, they gave them trillium D, which we knows drives people to madness and they become zombies. Right, so not all of them. I mean, he doesn't call it the human true just the Balkans. They don't know if they are allergic to it a cliche, but honestly, I I'm gonna have to go with Honestly, yeah, I think this whole thing is I think archer word actually in the right here. I actually think that he did what he had to do. So that's my opinion. So all right, So David is with the minions. How about you, Charlesy with the minions or against the minions.

21:41 Well, I think his ultimate goal was to sit there and get to the Zindi to try and protect the other planets, including Earth, from being attacked. And I think his goal was to protect as many people as possible, and in protecting as many people as possible, he had who sacrifice a little bit integrity and maybe a little bit of honor with them. But I think he was risking so much that he chose that. I think it was a better choice that he did take them, did take their warp coil, so so he could succeed the mission and protect a lot of others. So I'm going to go with the minions on this one.

22:25 All right. How about you, Paula? You with dominions or against the minions? God, gentlemen, ethics are just so inconvenient, aren't they? I mean, Jesus, I mean I'm hearing such trumping and thinking I can barely wrap my head around it, right, I mean, maybe go solve the mineral situation in like U grain because it's similar line of thinking here. It's what I want and it's necessary for me, so I'll just gotta take it. It doesn't matter, it's not mine. I need it, and I really need it now. I mean, we're basically like apes with sticks, guys. If we adopt this line of reasoning, this is not okay, this is not civilization. That certainly does not represent the ideals of the United Federation Planet's Starfleet Academy or any of that. Right, So it's incredibly The kindest thing I can say is it's incredibly selfish and it's a real dick move. Also, I really have to criticize Scott Bacula's performance in that one scene or stick up my ass. She can tell you something, Paul, He's really bad in that scene.

23:28 Man. Actually, during during a panel at Triconderogo a couple of years ago, I said something I probably shouldn't have because I got a pretty bad grown from the audience. I said that I didn't think Scott Bacula could act his way out of a paper bag and enterprise, and everybody was like, what, yeah, but that's perfect scene that illustrates God. Forbid, you have an opinion, right, I mean, you're you know, you're just you got to be able to just call it as you see it, man, I mean, you can't worry about pleasing everybody. Jesus, you know. I certainly don't, but uh yeah, I just I just think this is just, you know, really it like you said, it's it's a dick move, it's piracy, it's selfish behavior, it's it should be held up as an example of what not to do.

24:12 And I don't. I certainly hope that anybody who's with dominions never has a leadership position, because good lord, I would be on the next door out. So yeah, sorry, it's just reprehensible. It's reprehensible. You mentioned that this was the take on the United Federation. Well, this particular scene would before the federation even founded, So technically that is a moot point. Man. It's an ethical it goes against the ethics of what the Federation became. So if this is basically they're more ape like before it evolved there, but it's just no one looks good doing this kind of stuff. Yeah, that's why he would really pondering on whether or not to do it. There was some extra strames I wanted to put in there, but we had to shorten it to make.

24:56 A Yeah, I don't know this episode very well at all. I'm just going by what the question is and what I'm seeing on screen, and it's just you know, it's just like selfishness is is uh, you know that's how you choose to roll great. I don't see the selfsness. Selfishness though there were a lot of There was a lot of things that could have been shown in a sense if you saw the entire episode, seeing lined by lining timeline and how everything went. Even the crew was like, you know, we have to do this otherwise Earth is going to get destroyed. So technically, well. Yeah, David Wen justifies the means is your is your perspective, and I think. Can already just go back and get him and then you know, give them back to.

25:39 We had to shorten that scene up quite a bit to get it in there. There was more pondering and ethical you know, discussions and things, but. Then they ignored that they just did what they wanted. In the end, they just you know, Archer did it, and I think, I think David, so all right, now it's my turn, So here we go. And as usual, first of all, to David's point, the Federation doesn't exist at this point in time, so this is pre federation, pre you know, non interference clause. You know, none of that exists at this point in time. Arch is kind of the first guy out there figuring it out on his own. Having said that it doesn't make it right what he did, but being the only one, being the first one having to make these choices without any support from anybody else other than his crew stranded out there.

26:34 They were in what the bad lands? Now what was that place called? That? They were stuck the neutral No, not the Neutrals. It was some sort of a nebula. I think, yeah, yeah, that's it. And you know, they didn't even have any Vulcans around to help them at that point, or basically Schran, who always seems to show up at every minute to help him. So he did what he thought was right. He made a judgment call uh to say earth, he did what he thought was right. But I don't think it was the right choice to make as far as the ethics and the you know, what Starfleet wants to represent and what we want our ships doing. So there you have it. I mean, you know, I ask yourself this question, right, Okay, yeah, I mean, granted, maybe there's no United Federation planets yet, there's no Starfleet yet, right, So and he's out there by himself, like you say, right, he's the first guy doing it, right, But is this at a time before people had a concept of the understanding of what character is.

27:30 Now it's like, it's basically that's what he's got. He's got character, and he shows he has none right by exhibiting this. So it's it's it's it's really, I just. Try to put myself in the in the you know, the the position of the person who's being transgressed against. So if somebody needed a lawnmower, and by mowing their lawn, they could like please one hundred people, does that give them the right to come and steal my lawnmower? Now they should get their own day lawnmower, right. I don't think that's the same concept, But okay, that's a different situation. I think it was exactly the same David.

28:11 Yeah, it's just a boy. What a terrible leader. Oh my god, he just sucks. It's just, you know, that's kind of. One of the things I like about Enterprise is that they are like babies flailing right, and they make a lot of mistakes on that show. O God, yeah they do. You know, I worry about mankind often. And and this, this is a interesting choice of a question Jim got us going. Well, a lot of a lot of our Facebook fans said that they went back later and and helped them out and gave them another warp oil after they saved Earth. I don't think that's in the episode, though. I don't know how they know that they did.

28:52 Well, take a. Lot of headcan in to me. These are fans saying what they what they think happened. So okay, I'm sure you know he gave it to him. He went back and see me, so you know that's I. Blew up your planet. But hey, here's some here's some cheese. Yeah, here's some kling on blood wine. I know we destroyed all the round, but you know, hey, you know the these you know, empire rations are great and they don't have an expiration date because they're so toxic. They never did, never spoil, but they're on us, and you know, hey, I gotta go. That's that's uh. You know, sometimes I come up with a good question, and sometimes I come up with some fun ones. That was one of the ones that I thought needed to be discussed. All right, David, roll the tape on the next one.

29:41 Buddy, You've all done remarkable service one of the most difficult conditions. You'll be receiving Starfleet's highest commendation and more importantly extended. Surely that is all. But you, mister Scott, they need you wisdom on the new. Excels here report there tomorrow is Captain of Engineering, with all appreciations, Sir, I prefer to supervise the refit of Enterprise. I'm afraid that won't be necessary, but sir, I'm sorry, mister Scott, but there will be no refit that wrong. I don't understand. The enterprise is Jim. The enterprise is twenty years old. We feel our days old. But we had requested we'd hope to take her back to Genesis.

30:37 That is out of the question. All right, guys, So there's two reasons why I picked this one one, because I thought it would just be a fun discussion we could have. But more importantly, there's an admiral doing what ammals do best on Star Trek and that's kind of relevant to our show tonight. So Eric, what is the poll question? Well, that scene was of course from Star Trek three, the Search for Spock, and that was Admiral Morrow, and he said that, of course the Enterprise was twenty years old, her days are over and there'll be no refit. Do you agree with the decision? And eighteen percent of our pole respondents said yes, they agreed we need a new ship.

31:18 And eighty two percent of our respondents did not agree with Admiral Morrow's extolling of the Brass's decision to decommission the Enterprise. So you know, my thoughts on this are starships are actually designed to last like one hundred years or more. And we see plenty of starships that are one hundred years old or is you know, sixty to eighty years old. Probably in Star Trek they can kind of be. They're actually designed design. David knows more about this than I do, but I think they're designed in some respects to be modular where you can like pop things out and pop new things in and kind of upgrade them and that sort of stuff. So the fact that I was twenty years old, I mean, okay, let's be clear. They needed to say that for the writing, right, there needed to be that drama moment, And so this is kind of one of those times when like they did it because they had to for the writing. But in reality, I think starships are actually designed to last a lot longer than twenty years. So so yeah, I mean, I can't say it was a bad decision because newer starships are always better, but there's a lot of nostalgia tied up, and I think our respondence answers on this one.

32:33 That's my thought. Well, also, this is the original Enterprise, the original Constitution class from the original series, the only ship that returned to Earth, right as far well, I. Mean it is, but it's already been refit once, right, right, they changed all themselves. Like the thing looks totally in fact in all the start, in all the books, it's like somehow bigger too. It's like the whole different ship. So they have like eighty three decks or something in that one scene. Yeah, it's not the same ship. It's a new ship, but I think they threw that line in there just to let people know that, yeah, we're aware that this is the same ship. Blah blah blah. But you're right, I think a starship. We'll look at the kling On Birds of Prey. They've been around for hundreds of years.

33:23 The Excelsior we see in Star Trek three is still being used, you know. So yeah, these starships have a very long life expectancy. So I think it was just you know, written in there as a form of drama so that they could steal the ship and YadA, YadA, YadA. So you know, I don't agree with his with his decision at all. So how about you, Charles. Okay, since we're going to go with our beyond, let's bring in Logan's run. Oh you're thirty, let's end you off to move on to the next plane. You're too old, even our own, But even our own. That's say naval ships.

34:13 I know, ships that were in Vietnam that finally got retired, even some World War Two ships that finally got retired. We're talking a lifespan of a naval ship. I wouldn't be surprised, Like in forty sixty years, and yet we're saying we're going to get rid of a starship after twenty years. That's a short lifespan for a ship. And I was definitely one of them that agreed that no, this was way too early to sit there and dismiss such a ship. All right, how about you, David, what do you think Didmorrow make the right choice?

34:57 I have to say no on this one, man, because I if you look at it in this perspective of an empire wide situation where you have ships that can still be used, even if it has to be like garbage, stalagy or whatever, you know. I mean, just the fact that they are old doesn't mean that you can't like what Eric said, you know, switching out modular situations and stuff like that. But the fact that they are gonna make this disappear, I think Eric's correct. Again, I do have to agree with you. It is just a lot of for nostalgic kind of stuff and the fact that you know, story written and whatnot. But I don't know.

35:44 I think that they could still use the ship though, because there's just a lot of stuff that you can use, just even old stuff with So yeah, I'm still gonna say no on this one, though I kind of agree with our minions. All right, So Paul, you get to bring up the Caboosta on this one. Bother oh Man, when I first saw the Hadal Moral with that mustache, I thought it was mister Miltchik from Severance there for a minute, I was just a dead ringer. Yeah. As the oldest member of the Trekspert team, I would like to defend early retirement to people or objects or fictional creations before their time, because I think it's short sighted and older people may kill you if you try to do it right. So it just don't get on our bad side. We'll figure out a way to get even eventually to come.

36:35 You know. It's just yeah, it's shortsighted, and it's just like it kind of in a way, it makes the movie feel dated, right, it's just like twenty years I mean, I agree with Charles, it's just like, you know, twenty years. I mean, yeah, both people driving a car, it's still twenty years old, right, I mean very often except for Eric is you know, you know atomic powered conveyance that he has, but I'll. Still be driving it in fifteen yea. Yeah, it's it's I think the minions are of their mind this time. No is right? Eighty percent people said no, he's wrong. I do not agree with the Admiral's decision. It's it's shortsighted and and definitely the hand of the plot. You know, we gotta come up with the way, you know, just by the behavior.

37:19 So it's just you know, yeah, nonsense. All right, So guys, before we move on, and I'm going to be as surprised as you because I haven't seen anything that David and Eric have come up with. So we're going to be delving into strange new worlds and boldly going where no one has gone before. Together. But before we do that, what were where would you put Admiral Morrow on on the chart? Was is an evil admiral? Is he a good admiral? Where would you where would you stick them? Well, I mean I don't I don't know that this is Admiral Morrow's decision. This feels like top brass making a collective decision. So I don't know. It seems like a nice guy, you know, bad decision, but probably made by multiple people. So I don't know that we ever see him again. De he So there's not enough data to really make a determination as to whether he's evil or good.

38:12 He's got a middle management, right, that's. What it feels like. Yeah, he's just a messenger. So when I looked him up on IMBD, if you look him up, he was supposed to be the admiral in star Trek six caught that works on the conspiracy, but he was unavailable for the part, so they recast it as Admiral Cartwright. But it was supposed to be Admiral Morrow, so that would have changed the whole thing had it been the same arm, but it wasn't definitely. All right, guys, So I'm going to turn it over to Eric right now and we're going to do our Admirals of Starfleet. So take it away, Eric. All right, guys. Well, this week we are, of course talking about evil admirals. We're going to talk about six admirals that may or may not exactly fall into that evil category. But I'm excited about the potential discussion that we can have about these people. This is called Starfleet Admirals Part one because I anticipate in the future we may want to talk about admirals again. So I'm not going to tell you who we're going to talk about.

39:10 David's gonna roll a clip and then we're gonna have a fun conversation about each one. So David, take it away, take it away. Here we go. We don't have any sad. I will take this to the Federation Council. I'm acting on orders from the Federation Council. How can there be an order to abandon the prime directive? Prime directive doesn't apply. These people are not indigenous this planet. They were never meant to be immortal. We'll simply be restoring them to their natural evolution.

39:50 Who the hell are we to determine the next course of evolution for these people? Don't look, there are six hundred people down there. We'll be able to use the regenerative properties of this radiation to help billions. The Sona have developed a procedure to collect the metaphasic particles from the planet's rings. A planet in Federation space. That's right. We have the planet, they have the technology, a technology we can't duplicate. You know what that makes us partners? Our partners are nothing more than petty thugs on Earth.

40:31 Petroleum once turned petty thugs into world leaders. Warp Drive transformed a bunch of romulent thugs into an empire. We can handle the Sona and not worried about that. Someone probably said the same thing about the romulans. Essentially ago, With metaphasics, lifespans will be doubled, an entire new medical science will evolve. I understand your chief engineer has the use of his eyes for. The first time in his life. Would you take that away from him? That are metaphasic particles all over the Brier patch. Why does it have to be this one planet. It's the concentration in the rings that makes the whole damn thing work. Don't ask me to explain it. I only know. They inject something into the rings that starts a thermolytic reaction.

41:13 When it's over, the planet will be uninhabitable for generations. Delay the procedure. Let my people look at the technology our best scientific minds already have. We can't find any other way to do this. Then the Sona can establish a separate colony on the planet. Until we do, it would take ten years of normal exposure to begin to reverse their condition. Some of them won't survive that long side. They don't want to live in the middle of the Brier Patch, who would. The Baku. We are betraying the principles upon which the Federation was founded. It's an attack upon It's very simple.

42:03 All right. So obviously that was Admiral Doherty from Star Trek Insurrection, David. I think we have a still image of him to bring up there he is, So this one, to me is pretty cut and dry. This guy seems pretty evil. But it sounds once again to me like the orders are coming from up above, like Starfleet has talked about this and this is the way Starfleet wants to do it. So I don't know what are your guys' thoughts on Doherty. Is he just the messenger? Is he an evil admiral who's actually made a decision here? What's going on here? Well, first of all, this is one of the best parts of this movie right here. Actually, and Jean Luke like he is demand, isn't he? I mean, when it comes to ethics, this is the man you go to.

42:52 I mean, this guy calls it like it is. He's about, you know, as straight as a straight shooter can be. But I think that Admiral Doherty is acting on his own basically because he orders the sonya the Sona to destroy the Enterprise before they can leave the Briar Patch to send a signal back to Starfleet. I think that he's hoping that by the time Starfleet finds out what's going on, the damage will be done and they'll have this chemical and the ends will justify the means. So I think that he's definitely misplaced, misled, and doesn't know what he's doing. He missed his Starfleet Ethics course. He must have been out sick that day. But yeah, I think that he's acting on his own and hoping that he can get the Enterprise destroyed before Starfleet finds out about what he's doing. So I classify him as evil all the way, and that's what I'm going to say, and I'm sticking to it.

43:51 So you think he's lying when he says that this is orders are from Federation. I think that he is, because you can't get communications out of the Briar Patch as long as the Enterprise is in there. As long as they're in there, nobody knows what's going on. And when he orders the Enterprise to be destroyed before they get out of the Brier Patch, that tells me that he doesn't want Starfleet to know what's going on inside. Getting rid of the evidence. Okay, I think maybe I'm reading into it too much. They don't actually say that in the movie. But I can't think of any other reason why he would want to destroy a Federation starship. So that's what I'm saying.

44:32 What do you think, Charles, Well, okay, why wasn't Starfleet notifying it? Pericard on this earlier and we'll just happen to come on board ship. And then says that he's in charge and this is what Starfleet wants. I don't see the evidence that claims that he's working in Starfleet's perhalf proof. And I agree with Jim saying I think he's hiding something and trying to work more on his own than he may be representing star Fleet. He may be representing a part of star Fleet, not Aster as a whole. So I agree with Jim Evil Admiral.

45:21 I think David, I actually agree with you guys. I think he went complete rogue. I agree with what Jim and Charles said, and probably what Paul would be saying. He shortly, but I yeah, I think he went completely rogue, and he probably got bribed or something, or maybe he was just wanting to get a face lift or something. I have no idea, but definitely definitely got that. That's for sure. He got a face lift. So I don't know either way. Yeah, I think he'd see evil side on this close show. Yeap, Paul, refresh my memory because I I've been trying to put this in on my mind for a few years.

46:07 After actively trying to get it out for so long. Yeah, does he does he face a come up? And how does he does? Yeah? So at the end he actually has a showdown with the sona bad guy May Abraham and who puts him in the like face stretching machine and gets he stretched so he gets his just desserts in the end. Okay, Yeah, yeah, I would you know, we talked. I want to just go back to the beginning of what you said, is is he just middle management? And you know therefore, is that you know that whole thing right, he's just following orders? Right as I I think that, you know, I I agree with what you're all saying.

46:49 It is all like that. It sounds like he's you know, kind of you know, extending his authority and you know, kind of creating a lot of hyperbole for what he wants to get away with. Right. But again it's just going right back to what we were talking about with that pole question. Right, I want something, therefore I am entitled to take it, right, and that is that is that is you know, that line of reasoning gets all kinds of problems for folks, right, And so you become a thief then. And I never will give anybody in middle management a pass, right, because the problem is you are if you're complicit with evil, right, you're allowing it to flourish. You're enabling it right by not stepping up, like you know, the the guards at Auschwitz. Right.

47:35 It's just like, oh, I don't know if it's a problem, right, it's you're I made the decision. I'm just you know, you have to make sure the motor porter works, okay, right, you know, I mean yeah, yeah, dude, But you're still enabling evil, right, You're complicit, right because you're going along with what is you know, wrong and evil. So yeah, sorry, Dougherty or whatever your name is, but you're. You're a bastard. So yeah, bye bye. Hop on getting your face drudge, bye bye. And I think that we're gonna see we may see this this theme in the future here with with other? Are you there, Eric, Eric h I'm here.

48:18 Oh no, I'm here. There, there we go. I can still we lost you for a minute, there, buddy. Okay, okay, oh yeah yeah, keep waiting. Okay, So you'll kind of see this theme, I think repeated in a couple of our admirals, of them trying to cover up mistakes that are being made. So but this next one is something a little different. So let's go with Admiral number two, David Roll the tape. You know, there are some words I've known some times a schoolboy. But the first link chase is forged. First speech, censure, the first thought forbidden, first freedom denied, change us all irrevvantly. Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie, his wisdom and warning the first time any man's freedom is trodmar.

49:19 We're all damaged. I fear that day. Oh dare you, you who can fult with prominence invoke my father's name to support your traitorous arguments. It is an offense to everything. I owe, Dear, and you hear those words used to subvert the United veneration of planets. My father was a great man. Is named down for integrity of principle. You dirty his name when you stake it. He loved the generations. Correct and corrupted. You underline, are very well of life.

50:01 I would extold you for what you are. I profound bigger than the few pick cod. Day you would say, Okay, this of course is Admiral Nora Ceti And this is from probably well, in my opinion, one of the top five episodes of Next Generation of all time, The Drumhead.

50:57 You'll remember that in this episode she sort of goes on a witch hunt. She is trying to find out and sleuth out a conspiracy, and unfortunately she goes after this wonderful crew member, Simon Tarcist and just lays into him. And it turns out he does have a secret, but it's not the secret she's looking for. But that doesn't seem to matter to her, so to me nourise at in her own mind thought she was doing the right thing right, and almost all good bad guys that you see in media think that they're doing the right thing. But in this case, she went on a witch hunt and she probably destroyed or almost destroyed a young man's life in the process. And I wanted to show this last scene of her kind of losing it, because I think this is sort of when she realizes what she's done.

51:48 But I would love to hear what you guys have to say about Noise a T and like maybe even this episode in general. I just love it so much. Well, again, have Jean Luke being the moral compass of Star Trek like he always does and does so well. I think that's something that might be lacking a little bit from current Star Trek iterations. We need a moral compass, We need somebody to look up to, someone that will stand up and do the right thing, even when they're in the minority, who's not afraid to do the right thing. And that's Jean Luke all the way. So kudos to Jean Luke. Yeah, I think this was an episode was great, and I think that she she meant well. I think she thought what she was doing was good, but in the end, she was just she drank the kool aid, she wore the hat, and she went for it and she went too far. And you know, she should have noticed that and jumped back, but she didn't because she was too far in over her head. She was too convinced that what she was doing was the right thing, and that what she was doing was trying to save the Federation from itself. God, that sounds familiar. Where where have I heard that? Anyways, what a topic. We could talk about that for the rest of the show. But at any rate, Yeah, that's what I think. I think she's definitely evil. I think she was corrupt. I don't think she started evil like Doherty, who clearly was evil

53:20 and knew what he was doing was evil. But she didn't start evil but ended up being evil because she couldn't stop when she started going. So I'm going to put her in the evil category, do you. Think, Paul? Yeah, Well, first of all, I mean the great Gene Simmons right from Spartacus and every other thing. I mean, just remarkable performance. This elevates star trek and science fiction to a higher level. Right, This is the kind of thing that you want writing to do. Right. It's amazing, and it's just great because it's so relevant to the times that pretty much everybody lives in, right, at least in the twentieth century. Right, when you have somebody who is in a position of power, and this is one of the great risks of any conflict or war, right, is you start to identify who the enemy is, and then everybody who is identifiable as being like that enemy becomes less than a human being. This is how Japanese were interned here in America. This is what's going on and more conflicts on the planet that I can name right now, and it's in the vilification of dark skinned people in this country right right now. It's just it's the xenophobic and racist viewpoint that is given the mantle of authority, right to to basically ruin with impunity, to pluck people off the streets with no legal authority, no process, and ruined lives, to kill people with impunity. I mean, she's as absolutely evil as they go. She's the definition

54:54 of fascism, all. Right, Charles, what do you think? I kind of stretch on what Paul said. I had to look up the word I was looking for, and that was McCarthyism. Let's look for the communism, let's look for the communists. Star Trek was going back talking about history, let's find let's fine the witches to burn, and I think all she wanted to do was focus on trying to find somebody to burn to solve her cause and sacrificing people just to satisfy your need for that is evil.

55:39 It's not something that needs to be done in Starfleet. So definitely, I think she's on the evil. Definitely on the evil. So ending with the evil Admirals. What do you think, David? Yeah, I I'm kind of in an agreement with Jim here that she didn't start out evil. Like everybody, you know, they go through life, they try to do good, they try to do what they could do to you know, lead others and everything. But I think at the end what she ended up doing was she just she could got the better of it or something. So she just ended up fistating on that and she just couldn't let it go, and ultimately it led to what we should here now as her being what she is. And yeah, I would have to put it on the evils listed well, so that's probably what I would wait as.

56:37 An Unlike Doherty, we actually don't know what happens with Settee here, like the trial ends and she sort of loses it. But yeah, as far as. We know, there's really no consequences for her for ruining Simon Tarcis's life. He's clearly in line with the shawna, look at how facelifts we had. And so look on that other admirals. When he's in the chair. Yeah, he's just so underplays it right, it's just great. And then he just gets up. You know what happens when he gets up and walks out, It is totally yeah, amazing, right he no dialogue.

57:18 Just oan. That moment volumes. It's great, cool all right, well, definitely one of the best episodes, one of the best scenes of Star Trek ever. So thank you Norris a Tee for bringing that to us. So on to Admiral number three, David Roll the tape. Remember when we were on the Okinawa fighting the zen Kathy that time when I wanted to take the ship into an asteroid belt to chase down those three. Raiders, and I said it was an unnecessary risk. You spoke your mind, which is exactly what a good executive officer is supposed to do. But I overruled you. After the staff meeting, you followed me. Into my reading room trying to argue your point.

58:01 Again. That's right, I did. And remember what I told you. That a good officer must respect the. Chain of command, that there comes a time when you must accept the orders of a superior officer and carry out those orders, whether you agree with them or not. I also told you that when you became a CEO, you'd feel the same way, and you. Were right about going after the Sanctity and about me. Without the chain of command, Starfleet would cease to function and we wouldn't stand a chance against our enemies. I'm still your commanding officer, and now more than ever, I need you to respect my authority, and.

58:54 I cannot do that, not this time. As of now, I'm releading you of your post as temporary head of Earth Security and sending you back to Deep Space nine. Go home, Ben, you don't belong here. All right. This, of course, is Admiral Layton, which we know from the DS nine episodes home Front and Paradise Lost, both of which are kind of buried in that season four Dominion War sort of story. And in case you don't remember what's going on here, Admiral Layton felt so strongly about the changeling threat, remember the change links had just been discovered, that he organized a military coup d'eta in an attempt to safeguard the Federation from the Gamma Quadrant invaders. He ordered Captain Benteen Erica Benteen of the USS Lakota to intercept the Defiant and prevent them from reaching Earth, telling her that the entire crew of the Defiant had been replaced by change links. Thankfully, he was, of course, stopped by Benjamin Cisco. So, for me, Leyton is one of these admirals, like so many admirals, who makes a decision based out of fear. He doesn't have any evidence, he doesn't really know what's going on, but he wants to accomplish a task, and so he uses the concept of fear to sort of make it happen.

1:00:23 And that, for me, is what makes Layton a bad guy, because he doesn't really consider the thirty thousand foot view consequences of what he's doing. Yeah, who wants to start on this one? Well, first of all, I think this is a perfect example of what's going on right now in the United States of America. You know, we have all these people out there that are being controlled using fear. We have a leader that's using fear. We have a leader that one of these days, well, let me back up. Layton turns around and puts Earth under Marshall la Off. I remember the episode correctly. Once he does that, he's able to assume total control of everything, and that's how this whole ball starts rolling. He uses fear to get the Federation Council to issue martial law, thereby taking total control.

1:01:17 Sounds extremely familiar with what's going on in the United States right now, so guys be aware. So yeah, this guy is about as fascist as fascist can be. He thinks he's doing the right well, just like the other admiral. He thinks he's doing the right thing. He thinks he's saving the Federation, when in reality, he's betraying it. He's betraying everything that the Federation stands for. Cisco knows that. I really wish Picard had beamed into this scene and given one of his speeches, because this would have been a perfect Picard speech right there. Might drop for Picard. To Cisco like, no, I'm not gonna do it. Though he always respect about Cisco, he's not. He's not the guy he talks to Q. He's the guy who punches Q in the face.

1:02:03 So I think, and again, I don't think he's necessarily evil. I think he's misled. I think that he drank the kool aid. He believes his own bullshit and so but yeah, he's definitely a bad guy for sure. He needs the face stretching is what he needs. And the other thing that he does is he surrounds himself with sycophants. You know, if you don't agree with me, you're fired. Jeez, does that sound familiar to I wonder? You know, if you don't agree with him, he fires you, and that's you know, that's not any way for a democracy to function. So, yeah, he's evil, he's a bad guy. He needs to have his face stretched. And that's my stance, and I'm sticking to.

1:02:50 It, all right, David, what do you think? Well, I think that this guy isn't actually him. Wasn't he supposed to be one of the changelings because it didn't just when Odo ended up later on finding out that he became a changeling by shaking hands with him and morphine him. I don't know human here, but. We know at some point he's replaced, we don't. I guess we don't know for sure in this episode whether he's a changeling or whether he actually is the person. I think I personally think he is still the person here, but I don't have any evidence for you know, whether that's true or not.

1:03:31 Yeah, I mean, so with that in mind, it kind of dominion uh situation where yes, she would try to use fear, that's what they're all about, right, and so he would try to try to try to take control and everything, get the president to sign off on control and everything like that. So to me, I think he is actually a dominion agent here and he's just trying to cause both to become as much demoilized as possible. So technically, I he's evil in that sense, But in a way I kind of have to agree with him. He's not technically evil. He just misled if he is human. So I'm kind of neutral on this. He's neither good nor bad to me right now for some reason. But I mean I followed what he we seen the machine played out. Yes that's evil, But again with that concept, if he ised a dominion or human, you know, could go either way for me. So that's my two tents on it.

1:04:32 I mean, for what it's worth. When you read his kind of write up on Memory Alpha, which I know is just written by whoever's written by, but it's written as if it's the actual person and not a changeling version of the person. So maybe that's changeling was a different episode. Or yeah, it's the later episode. Yeah, okay, yeah, but again he's kind of neutral for me at the moment then as the human being. Yeah, well, I guess we have a the difference of perspective on this here, right, And again, you know, war is a crucible that reveals what kind of person you are, right and what you choose to you know, if you're the kind of person that says, oh, the end justifies the means, or I have a power now, and so I feel that this is necessary because it's war, and that somehow the rules are different and the regular compass doesn't point to North anymore.

1:05:21 Did this guy attempt to coop? Yes or no? Yes? Did he falsify evidence of dominion activity? Yes or no? Yes? Did he frame Benjamin Cisco as a changeling infiltrator? Yes? This guy's freaking evil. How do you not call that evil? And when we've given all that stuff that he's done, I mean that is basically a triple whammy, right, I mean absolutely, he thinks he thinks he's being true to his Starfleet principles and the greater Good justifies the means what bullshit men have been like, you know, committing evil using that pretense for centuries, right, and you got to recognize it, and you've got to chop the head off when that happens. You got, you know, right right to the guillotine, right, you cannot you know, slight hyperbole. I'm actually very gentle soul, but but yeah, I just people like this, these bureaucrats who think that they, you know, have they can tell everyone else what's right and wrong and inflict themselves on a society. If that's not evil, I don't know what is. But this coup, attempting evidence, falsifying framer, Oh, he's absolutely evil.

1:06:32 That's exactly what a dominion agent would do. I think. There's no neutral here. He's evil. He was a dominion all right, all right, all right, Charles, you got the caboose, buddy, How can I follow up with Paul? Paul said, all he sat there and acted as an evil acted as an evil admiral. Yeah, all right, Uh, Admiral Layton's squarely evil, squarely abusing power. Just not a good guy. And he resigns in the end. But I always find the resignation to kind of be an unsatisfying just come uppins for somebody who does super evil things. I feel like it would have been cool to see him, I don't know, face some jail time or something like that. So at any rate, that was Admiral Layton. We are not going to head to Admiral number four.

1:07:26 David hit It behast of the Bulkan Ambassador. I opened the dialogue with Gorkon, Chancellor of the Klingon High Council. He proposes to commenced negotiations at once, negotiations for what they is mantling about his space stations and star bases along the neutral zone, and to almost seventy years of unremitting hostility which the Klingons can no longer afford. Doom? Are we talking about moth bawling, Miss. Darthley, Well, I'm sure that our exploration is aientific programs would be unaffected, Captain, but I must protest. Drop of Klingons safe haven with Infederation space is suicide. Clingons would become the alien trash of the galaxy, and if we dismantle the fleet, we'd be defenseless before an aggressive species with a foothold on our territory. The opportunity here is to bring them to their needs. Then we'll be in a far better position to dictate terms.

1:08:27 Sir Captain Kirk, the Klingons have never been trustworthy. I'm forced to agree with Admiral cart. Right, Okay, Clingons have never been trustworthy. Here we got Cartwright saying some pretty harsh stuff. They would become the trash of the galaxy. Paul, this sounds kind of like the making it about the others kind of thing that you were talking about, the. Same thing as a xenophobia. H it's the you know, uh justification of things. Right. There's a terrific picture, right, I mean, great, great movie. I mean really, you know starf Trek six by the way, directed by one of the greats, right, who we've been lucky enough to chat with a bit. But but his whole conspiracy, you know, was responsible for framing everybody for the murder of the Klingon Chancellor if I remember correctly, right, he wants to derail peace. Okay, he wants to weaken his enemies, right, and uh, I mean, given everything that happens in this movie, I think he's probably maybe you know, a candidate for the most evil of all the Starfleet.

1:09:40 Admiral's right. I mean he's pretty freaking evil, you know. I mean he's you know, he's you know, have a glass of prune juice, pal, I mean something, right, you gotta you gotta, you gotta lighten up. I mean he's just he's so unhappy, you know, and it's just nothing's gonna make him happy. Right. He's uh, he spearheads the entire conspiracy, right, and I mean he really does, right, and it's uh, you know, I love a political thriller, right, and that's really what Star Trek six is, right, I mean it's just great. But he's just unrepentant and he thinks he's right. And we'll be to us, man, we weren't in one of these cats who just thinks he's right and just you know, reason, evidence, morality, none of it matters to them. They're just going to do what they want. And you know, he got to be vigilant against this in society and especially if you want to live in a democracy.

1:10:31 Yeah, and just remind everybody this is actually the second time we see Admiral Cartwright, because we do originally see him in Star Trek four, and he doesn't have much of a role. But he's the guy who initiates the planet wide red alert when the whale probe is coming in and about ready to mess some stuff up. That's right, So he's kind of like you think he's a good guy at that point, and then two movies later you get this cart right. Yeah, I don't know, what do you think Charles. Sitting there calling mcclings a trash of the universe. That's not something I think an admiral should be saying. Talking to a race about talking about a race like that as geez, sounds a little bit love talk of US history, but they compared some other races, So I think it's the comment is totally totally wrong, totally not objective, totally not definitely supporting Starfleet. We know my Admiral Clerk sat there and had the feelings of that because of the loss of his son, but I think at this point he was back to captain, and captains can have their feelings on it. Admirals shouldn't be boistering attitudes like this.

1:12:01 Definitely think the evil side. Jim, do you think the Klingons deserve to be brought to their knees as Admiral Cartwright suggests, here. Well, that right there. That rhetoric, again is some rhetoric that we hear today when you turn on the news. You know, anytime that you hear a leader use words like that alien trash, bring them to their knees, dictate terms. This guy missed his Starfleet ethics class too, just like all the other admirals. You know, he was in the bathroom smoking a big bat Bob Marley and missed that part. Of the lecture. But you know what surprises me the most about this particular scene is that Captain Kirk agrees with him. Look, Charles was saying he lost his son and so on and so forth. But this type of rhetoric, I'm going to say it, this is the type of rhetoric that Adolf Hitler us exactly. And Kirk brings this up later on when the Klingons are having dinner. You know, he actually uses that reference. So for him not to catch it when Cartwright says it, it's kind of like, you know, Kirk, you know, dude, this guy is quoting. You know, you should be catching it and not agreeing with it. And all the other admirals in the room, none of them caught that rhetoric. They all let it slide, and they all went along with it. So you know, is this the beginning of Starfleet eroding? Are all of the brass

1:13:35 slipping into this, you know, bad place to be? I don't know. But Cartwright is definitely evil and he shows it later on when he gets Admiral Odo, whose name escapes me right now. He gets Admiral Odo to dress up as a Klingon and try to blow away the Chancellor. And he's clearly he's working with the Romul, he's working with the Klayons, and he's working with the Federation to derail the peace process. You don't get much more evil than that. So, yeah, Cartwright is evil. He needs a face stretching and uh yeah, that's what I have to say about that.

1:14:16 I David to get to follow him on this one. Ah cool, Well, he definitely likes troubles. I mean, you know the fact that he wants to get rid of the Kleanons. But I I refreshed my memory. It's been a while for thetween this. Didn't he get caught at the end? He does. Well, it's kind of like right after this scene they sort of haul him off to rehabilitation. So they recognize that he's made some poor decisions, and they they're gonna you know, because I mean, it's kind of interesting because I always thought that Federation didn't actually have prisons at all, and I think that I thought that all the way up through Star Trek six. Here, I think that that's changed in recent years, and there seemed to be Federation prisons and that kind of stuff nowadays.

1:15:04 But yeah, but I always thought you rehabilitated the bad guys, and I think that's what happens to him here. Okay, so technically he did get caught, so you know, he they recognized what he did. And if the movie said that he would evil in behind some sort of conspiracy, I would have to agree with the movie, to be honest, because what he apparently did was not a good thing. But yeah, so I would have to say he'd fall on evil for me. Yeah, And I think he's another example of an admiral who is motivated by fear. Like we don't really know why he's so afraid of the Klanyon's, but the rhetoric that he's using seems to be trying to make them others because he's he seems scared of them. So I don't know exactly what his motivations are, but I think he was getting paid by Romulins.

1:15:56 Yeah, I think it might have been actually to Romulin influence that college his fear, because it wasn't at the Romulin sassion that he's trying to shoot president. Oh yeah, that's right. He was alone. Yeah, so maybe they got I don't know, so. Maybe actually was Admiral dressed up as a Klingon, right, not a Romulint, But Ambassador Knockluss was there, which never made any sense to me why they'd have a Romulant operative sitting in on this top secret uh starfleet thing. So he was working with the Romulins and the Klingons and Admiral Odo, you know, just to thwart piece, which is never a good thing.

1:16:38 Well, it was probably part of the duo family, probably, all right, Admiral Cartwright squarely evil and squarely somebody who shouldn't be at the top of conspiracies to assassinate ambassadors. All right, on to Admiral number five, David, who's that going to be real? Marcus? I wasn't expected. Hell of a ship you got there, and I wasn't expecting to get word that you're taking Harrison in the custody and violation of your orders. Well, we uh, we had to improvise when our warp core unexpectedly malfunction. But you already knew that, didn't you, Sir? I don't take your meaning.

1:17:18 Well, that's why you're here, isn't it to assist with our repairs? Why else would the head of Starfleet personally come to the edge of the neutral. Zone, Captain just scanning our ship? Is there something I can help you find? Sir? Where is your prisoner kerk for. Starfleet regulation, I'm planning on returning Khan to Earth to stand trial. Well, shit, you talked to him. That's exactly what I was hoping to spare you from. I took a tactical risk, and I woke that bastard up, believing that a superior intelligence could help us protect ourselves from whatever came at us next.

1:17:59 But I made mistake, and now the. Blood of everybody's killed is on my hands. So I'm asking you give him to me so that I can end what I started. And what exactly would you like me to do with the rest of his crew? Sir? Fire them at the Klingon's end seventy two lives start a war in the process. He put those people in those torpedoes, and. I simply didn't want to burden you with knowing what was inside of them. You saw what this man could do all by himself. Can you imagine what would happened if we woke up the rest of his crew?

1:18:39 What else did he tell you that he's a peacekeeper? He's playing you, son. Don't you see that con and his crew were condemned to death as war criminals, and now it is our duty to carry out that sentence before anybody else. Dies because of him. I'm gonna ask you again. One last time on. Lower your shields, tell me where he is. Okay, this, of course is Admiral Marcus from Star Trek Into Darkness, and whatever you may think about the movie in general, I think this is a great scene, and I think that it actually of all of the evil at well, maybe not the last one, but of all the evil admirals that we've talked to talked about up until this point. This argument kind of starts to make a little bit of sense, like, Okay, I was afraid, and so I woke up this superior intellect guy hoping that he'd be able to help us, and he says, right there, I made a mistake and he's trying to fix the mistake. Now does the rest of Starfleet know that he's trying to mix the mistake? I'm not sure about that, but love to hear what you guys have to say about Admiral Marcus.

1:20:02 Well, if I remember, first of all, I enjoyed Into Darkness for just this reason, I thought it was really relevant to what was going on right around the time. And Section three, if I remember correctly, he was a member of Section thirty one I think, and they built the USS Vengeance as well, so this was all a Section thirty one ploy? Am I right about that? Eric? I think that's true. I think yeah, because Scotty didn't even know about it when he saw the ship. So he's he's not only is evil, but he's into this this secret like organization that operates outside the realm of laws and whatnot. So yeah, that that in itself makes some shady to begin with.

1:20:45 But his actions, his attitude, he's going to destroy the enterprise, He's going to kill everyone on the enterprise to cover up his mistake. Rather than being a man and admitting I made a mistake. He's going to kill everyone on the end prize just to hide his mistake, except for his daughter, who I believe he has beamed aboard the vengeance so that he doesn't kill her. But but so okay, so he's got a soft spot for his daughter. But he's still evil. Okay, this guy, this guy is a bad guy right down the pipe. And the way he talks to Kirk by calling him son, son, you know, that's about as degrading as you can be. You know, He's like, I have the upper hand, I'm the superior.

1:21:30 You're gonna do what I say? Son, Evil, evil all the way, and he gets what he deserves at the end. And that's what I'm saying. Evil, evil, evil, bad, admirl bad bad avro. Yeah, you're done, You're bad, You're evil, he's you know, so yeah, he's a bad guy in my book all the way. And what makes it worse he knew what he was doing. He knew what he was doing was wrong because he was trying to hide it. And if he didn't think what he was doing is wrong, he would have done it right out in the open, like like Admiral Layton did. And the last clip that we watched you know this guy, you know, sneaks away on his cloakable black spaceship that nobody knows exists, and does all this stuff behind the scenes because he knows that what he's doing is wrong, which makes him even more dangerous because he's not gonna hide behind some mag of bullshit. He's just gonna go right out and do it and doesn't care. So he's evil, He's a bad admiral, And yes, he needs a face stretching. So yeah, that's what I That's what I gotta say about Admiral Marcus.

1:22:38 And he needs to he needs to go back to RoboCop. That's where he needs to be. He needs to have ED two o nine come in and take care of it. So that's my take on it. All right, Who wants to go next? Charles? You want to go next? Ye? Yep? I did a little looking up on memory Alpha. Okay, evil admiral admiral of Section thirty one? Do we have any good admirals in section thirty one? I have my doubt? Is he a member? Is a member of Section three? He actually lead? He actually leads Section thirty one. Now I remember looking up.

1:23:22 He not only that he leaves Section thirty one. The leader of Section thirty one is going to be good. We haven't seen too many good leaders in Section thirty one yet. So yeah, oh yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna take this man and all his uh all the members, all of his crew members and sacrifice them. It's like, no, you're not going to do a trial. You're going to be executioner. You're going to decide their fate yourself. No, that is the. Federation's duty, not just a single admiral leading Section thirty one.

1:24:07 So definitely an evil admiral. I saw this clip. It's like you start the clip, it's like, oh, in a darkness, yes, evil admiral. All right, Paul, what do you think? Yeah? So, I mean, you know, is Peter Weller playing at evil? It sure seems like he is. I mean, my god, he's just like, you know, glowering, glowering, glowering. Right, Yeah, he's getting real dark here. I mean, this is the guy. You know again we've established Section thirty one, right, but it's again using I need to make sure that everything works, okay for the war I'm involved in, right these guys, right, And he's secretly orchestrating all these events involving Khan in this movie and the eminent war with the Klingons to further enable Starfleet's military capabilities. Right, he's a warmonger. He wants it, you know, that's what he wants. And it's just like he wants all the trappings. He wants to, you know, be on the high ground. He wants to snuff out his enemies. It's all about, you know, I must destroy my enemies.

1:25:14 Right. That is not a mindset that is that does well, and it just it always leads to ruin, right, And yeah, he's not a good guy, so you know, it is kind of a toss up, right between him and and Cartwright who's the worst? Right, Maybe let them cage fight in a room full of like rabbit alligators and see who wins. I don't know, but Jim Marcus doesn't call any Cartwright doesn't call anybody's son. Yeah, but it's an old rich guy thing, right, I mean, old rich guys do that all the time. Well, Sean, you had to understand. I mean it's just like from the Southern politicians playbook, right, Sorry, Southern politicians, but most of at least most of the men do ladies you need to take over? But yeah, so yeah, what do you think, David?

1:26:05 Yeah, Second thirty one no good evil. And yet they're part of the Federation charter. That makes me want to go back and watch this movie again though, because it's so well shot. I mean, the cinematography is really I didn't hate this movie. They I'm like, when it turned out that it was a remake of Con, I was bummed. I'm like, that's the plot, I mean, because we've we don't need that, right, But what a great cast and uh in Peter Weiller to boot. I mean, I just wish they'd had a fresher concept, right, but but gorgeous looking cinematography. My god. Well, I was also a big fan of Con. The actor played cont the Ton, so.

1:26:47 I was actually been a Cumberbatch. Yeah, I was a big fan. That's really good. Yes, I don't fault the cast or I just wish they'd had a fresher premise and not have to recycle again, right, because it's like, we don't need to see that again. It's true, we've been there. But I think it was an interesting interpretation of Cohn. All right. Plus the vengeance is probably one of the coolest looking federationships ever of all time. But that's that's my opinion, all right. That was Admiral number five, Admiral Marcus from the Kelvin Timeline. I thank you Peter Weller for being so awesome. Here is our last admiral rolotape. Dude, it's not hard to guess. They tried to shut down an experiment. They didn't understand, something went wrong, and it killed them.

1:27:29 No, we killed them, Now, that doesn't sound like the same mask and grabbed a phaser and defended his captain twelve years ago. I've had twelve years to think about it, and if I had it to do over again, I would have grabbed the phaser and pointed it at you instead of them. So on reflection, you'd rather be a traitor than a hero. I was it a hero, and neither were you. What you did was wrong, and I was wrong to support you, but I was too young and too stupid to realize it. You were the captain, I was the ensign. I was just following orders, and if you. Hadn't, you'd be dead right now, along with all the rest of them, dead because you listened to a bunch of mutinous cowards who were too blinded by fear to see what I was trying to do.

1:28:14 They were brave enough to risk their lives to stop you from violating a treaty the Federation signed in good faith. That treaty has bound our hands and given the Romulans a tactical advantage for the. Last sixty years. I was simply trying to level the playing field. And now you want to try it again? How many people would die this time? Fifty one hundred one thousand. All right, you don't want to help me, fine, but you are still under my direct orders not to talk about what you know, and I expect you to follow those orders to the letter I've made you, mister, and I can break you just as easily. Do you understand me? Commander God you. Were way tea prepared to return to the ship immediately stand by Enterprise.

1:29:00 Pressman to Enterprise, two people and one piece of equipment to beam up. Oh man, do I love the Pegasus. This is such a great episode of Next Generation. We get Admiral Eric Pressman here, who has some history with Riker, and we sort of see how that plays out, how Ensign Riker is kind of almost guilty about the things or excuse me now, Commander Riker is guilty about the things he did as an ensign. So is Eric Pressman actually evil here? Paul, I don't know, what do you think? Well, yeah, it's you know, we really are uncovering a theme with these guys here, because it keeps coming up.

1:29:43 Right. He's very obsessive, right, and he wants to resurrect this experiment, right. I mean, not that dissimilar from what we just saw with Marcus, right, but a lot of them, what I see as the unifying theme of their behavior is they are their goal is to protect the federation. Right. That seems to be this thing, I must protect the federation, right, we can't lose. There's a war, I must protect the federation, right, And it just leads them astray, right. And it's and also you see a lot of this kind of romulent paranoia, right, which I think is probably reflecting on like you know, Man's and are in Japanese internment. Right.

1:30:24 But but yeah, it's just this the bad you know mojo from back in the day when there was earlier conflicts with the Romulans, Right, it just really creates this xenophobic hatred, right, and we must forever do whatever is necessary to protect the Federation. Right, So, I mean it's such is it a very nuanced performance? Right, he really gets in over his head and he is kind of you know, I think at the end of the day, kind of yeah, he succumbed to his worst instincts. Right, and he is I think probably does is a moral enough that he is you know, you got to think of him evil. But it's one of the great performances ever in next gen, right, terro Quinn is just so great.

1:31:07 If you ever want to see with this guy's cap love beyond like say lost, check out a horror movie called The Stepfather that terryo Quinn was in. Oh my god, it'll blow your mind out. It is great. He is just so great because he's so likable. In parts of this episode he will remember Ben and we was okay, and I'm just a good guy. One piece of equipment to beam up please. I mean, he's just you know, there's moments where you're like, just like him. He's it's a great role or really really really good performance and he and I think he does a great job showing how complicated evil can be. Right, So fascinating work and I just got to say, this has been a really great theme for tonight's episode. Is really I've been a catalyst for some fun conversation. But that's enough of my talking.

1:31:53 Cool. Thanks Paul, and I know you got to go a little early, so thanks to Do. I apologize. Yeah, no problem, man. We will catch up with you next week. Thanks fellas being back later, Paul. All right, David, do you want to go next? On this one? Is Eric Pressman an evil admiral? Well, well, so there was this whole thing about the Romulans. Yes, and with any empire, it's really I can't really imagine what it would be like to run an empire when you have other empires out there. They're just like constantly wanting to wipe you off the face of the galaxy basically, And honestly, I can see hit point, I honestly can.

1:32:44 I mean that treaty that they made with Romulin back sixty some years ago, it was then that they agreed to not probably when the Romulin Earth War ended, per se. I mean then they mentioned that the Romulin War lasted for hundreds of years, and so that treaty was Algoron probably took place two Finally, in that war and then they decided to you know, drawborder or whatever and everything like that. But honestly, sixty years ago for treaty that long ago probably means that the Romulants had gotten better technology to even like the fake cloaking for instance, to get beyond the Federation's cloaking mechanism to detect them and stuff.

1:33:34 So I would imagine that he's trying to make sure that the Romulans don't get a better advantage against them. So technically I can see his point and if he's evil, So he was probably evil in that one category. Like Paul said, you know, he was frustrated was he the sequence and the stuff that was happening? But I don't really think he evil. I mean, even before before all this, you know, he he had a lot of sense of being honorable and you know, all the kind of fun stuff, the idea that he had this ajenda that he had going. Yeah, I don't know, to be honest, I don't think he was evil. I think he's just he's not really good either, But I mean, yeah, I honestly don't think he was actually all that evil.

1:34:30 What do you think, Charles? Okay, you sit there and have your oath of office as an officer to respect the law the I would say the laws of the Federation, but the Constitution of the Federation and all content. And one of them is a Treaty of Algiers pronunciation Algeron, which one helped to And I think I think I saw memory apps like one hundred and sixty years ago with one hundred and sixty years prior had been to the Romulan war. But this created the neutral zone, and this created the piece, a respected piece between the Romulans and the Federation. And TNG.

1:35:36 You noticed we didn't really have a lot of conflicts with the Romulans. They were out there, but we weren't having big, major wars with them. We were mostly at peace with them. And this one admiral wants to sit there and pass around cloaking cloaking devices, so we can sit there and break the Federation treaty and maybe go back to war with the Romulans. Ah, I'm not sure. I think the Federation wanted to go back to war with the Romulans, especially when the Romulans were there to help us when we went to the next war during Dominions. So I think he did mean.

1:36:22 That's a great yeah, Charles, just that that what you just said right there. To me, I think there's a lot of similarities between this scenario and in The Pale Moonlight, which is, you know, the bad thing Cisco does to bring the Romulans into the war. Absolutely, yes, but it's definitely I think this was an evil admiral because you're trying to break treaties and sit there and bring war to the Federation. No, a good admiral would not be sitting there raid to start war with with the Romulans. In fact, I think that would be an interesting Star Trek Show movie or something we go back and talk about that early war, because that's that's probably been in the novels.

1:37:12 Only there was a good fan film about it too. But yeah, I would love to see that on in Cannon for sure. Yes, all right, Jim, you got the caboose on this one. I think that first of all, I think he's milked too many space cows, just like he's welt one too many space cow. Of all the arables we have seen, I think he's the least evil of them all because he's not sacrificing millions of people, he's not directly violating the prime director of what he's doing is he's violating a treaty with the Romulans to develop a phased cloaking device that he feels will protect the Federation, whereas a lot of the other Amerals will, well, we have talked about tonight. We're openly and blatantly violating Federation laws. Uh.

1:38:16 This guy's violating a treaty. He's not murdering people, he's not relocating people. He's just doing something underhanded, backwards back, He's stabbing people in the back, and he's pulling Riker into it. And I think this is a great opportunity for Riker. We learn a lot about Rikers in this particular episode, so I don't think he's evil like the other Amerals are. I think that he's misled in his desire to protect the Federation. And as far as cloaking goes, let's let's let's be fair about this. The Federation's ability to uh uh see through cloaking devices, I think keeps pace with the Romulans and the Klingon's ability to create cloaking devices. So I think it's just a one up thing here. And even if he did develop this face cloaking thing. How long would it be before the Romulans, you know, came up with a super phase whatever, and so technology is always leap frogging, so you know, to violate your oath for technology now is a bad thing?

1:39:24 Is he evil? I don't think so, so that's my take. All right on? All right, guys, Well, thank you for that Evil Admirals discussion. I hope you had fun talking about these six evil admirals. I tend to agree with you all on Eric Pressman probably the least evil of all the admirals we talked about. Of course, folks, this is just Starfleet Admirals Part one, so you can look forward to other Admirals discussions on future Trek Talking podcasts. Thank you so much. All right, Jim, you got the mic back now, buddy. All right, guys, well you know what time it is now? I bet you do. It's time for this.

1:40:22 That was not a cleon song. All right, guys, this is the part of the show where we go over our Star Trek birthdays and we always start off by remembering those members of our Star Trek family who, sadly enough, are no longer with us, and for that we're going to turn to Eric, and Eric is going to do our remembrances, and he's also going to have the rare opportunity to do some live birthdays as well. So Eric, take it away, buddy, You. Got it, Jim. This week we're going to remember three members of our Star Trek community who have gone before us. The first is actor Rhodes Reason. Rhodes Reason was an actor who played Fleet in the original series second season episode Bred and Circuses. His career span nearly forty years, and he actually appeared in over two hundred and thirty roles in television, movie, and stage. Some of the films that Reason appeared in include Tension at Table Rock with DeForest, Kelly Kat Murk Hill and The Silks from nineteen seventy six.

1:41:24 He also appeared in the television movie A Sensitive Passionate Man. He may have never heard of those, but those were a big time at the time that they were released. In fact, in nineteen fifty six, he filmed a half hour TV pilot in which he and John Smith played commercial divers named respectively, Tom Gorman and Mike Gilbert. This afforded him ample opportunities for beefcake shots, because I mean, just look at this guy. He's built. So unfortunately, we lost Rhodes way back in twenty fourteen, at the right old age of eighty four years old. He was born April nineteenth, nineteen thirty. Happy Birthday to Rhodes Reason. Happy birthday as well to Jill Dorothy Ireland. The English actress who played Layla Colombi in the TOS first season episode This Side of Paradise. She started her entertainment career at age sixteen as a dancer, and made her credited screen debut in nineteen fifty five in Michael Powell's Oh Rosalinda, after having a big part in another movie. Years later, she married David McCallum and in from nineteen sixty eight until her death, she was married to Charles Bronson, another guy.

1:42:32 You see a nice photo of them together there in the video that David's put together. Unfortunately, she was diagnosed with breast cancer back in nineteen eighty four, ended up writing about her battle and becoming an advocate for the American Cancer Society, which led to the organization giving her its Courage Award. We lost her at the young age from that problem of only fifty four years old. Back in nineteen ninety. Jill Dorothy Ireland was born in April twenty fourth, nineteen thirty six. Happy birthday to her, and happy birthday, last but not least, on our remembrance list to Judy Levitt. She's the actress who appeared in three Star Trek films. Was also the wife of tos star Walter Kanigg, whom she married in nineteen sixty five, and of course then by that same token, the mother of the Star Trek Deep Space nine guest star Andrew Kanigg.

1:43:29 So her three roles were as a Mercy hospital doctor in Star Trek four, The Voyage Home. She was a Starfleet command admiral in Starfleet in Star Trek sixth The Undiscovered Country. In fact, we saw her in that last scene that we were just looking at with Admiral Cartwright. And she also played an al Aurian's survivor in Star Trek Generations. She also had several bit parts in other projects her husband worked on, including two appearances as a psy cop on Babylon five and as a Space shuttle commander in nineteen eighty nine's Moontrap, one of those rare Roger Mora James Bond films. She had a few minor roles in a few other movies and television episodes, including two episodes of Mission Impossible. Along the Way. We lost Judy Levitt back in twenty twenty two at the age of eighty three years old. Her birthday is April twenty fourth, nineteen thirty nine. Happy Birthday, Judy Levin. And that does it for our remembrances this week, guys. So I'm going to pass this flaming birthday candle over to Charles.

1:44:31 Oh, thank you, Eric. Let's start off the Happy birthday to Mike Gomez, who played two Devin Frangi DW Damon Tar in Star Trek Next Generation first season episode The Last Outpost and Damon Louren in the six season episode Rascals. Happy birthday to Robert Hooks, actors who played Adamiral Morrow in Star Trek three The Search for Spock. Oh. I think we talked about the Admiral earlier tonight, So happy birthday, Robert, even though you are an evil Admiral.

1:45:15 Heavy birthday to Ian Alexander, American actor and twitch streamer who plays Grey Tall in the third and fourth seasons of Star Trek Discovery. Right to have Ian in Discovery, I think he was a good choice of adding some diversity into Discovery. Happy birthday to James Dolly, actress who portrayed Valeria in his char Treks The Next. Uration Thursdays an episode The Most Toys which we definitely discuss later on in Lower Decks.

1:45:56 Heavy Birthday to Rod Loomis, who played Paul my Mannheim and TG's first is an episode will always have Paris, best known for playing Sigmund Freud in Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventures and Then I Got a Big One, A very big warm Happy birthday to George Decay, Japanese American actor, best known for his roles Harkriszulu and Star Trek franchise and The and the TV Move in the mo in the TV series and the animated series in All the TuS movies. Also very well known as as his work in Broadway. We have talked about his book about the and the interment of the Japanese in World War Two and ew for a little while well known as being in the term being called Uncle George. As in early years in Facebook he was a big activist and did a lot of discussions, stirred up a lot of stuff and wrote a couple of good books about it. So

1:47:26 Happy birthday, George, You're so happy or who are still with us? I'm gonna take this flaming candle, he went back to Eric, and don't burn your fingers, all right? Yes see, if I can hold it just a little bit longer, we'd like to say Happy birthday this week to an amazing musician and actress, Ashley Judd, the actress who played Robin Leffler in the TNG fifth season episodes Dharmack and The Game. I think it was all we all thought. It was a real treat to see her show up in Star Trek and kind of a surprise at the time. So born April nineteenth, nineteen sixty eight, Happy birthday to Ashley Judd. Happy birthday as well to Eleanor Donna Hue, the American actress who played Nancy Hedford in the TOS second season episode Metamorphosis, one of those episodes that I think sometimes people forget about, but she made real contributions to Star Treks. She was also born on April nineteenth, but way back in nineteen thirty seven, and she is still with us. Happy birthday, Eleanor. Happy birthday as well to Can I say a titan of film, I think I can. Clint Howard, who you know, has been in a million million things. He played in Star Trek, of course, played Baylock in the TOS first season episode The Corbamite Maneuver. He also played Grady in Deep Space Nines third season episodes Past Tense Part two. He also played Mook in Enterprise's first season episode Acquisition, and a creepy a Ry in Discovery Discovery's first season episode will

1:49:00 You Take My Hand? But That's not it. There's one more. He also played Buck Martinez in Strange New World's second season episode Under the Cloak of war Man. This guy has been all over Star Trek, and it's been fun to see him showing up over and over again because I think we are all pretty familiar with the Corpo Might maneuver and still think of him in that sort of child guys, but of course we've seen him so many more times as a fully grown adult person. Not that he wasn't an adult at that time, but. But yeah. Happy birthday to Clint Howard, and thank you so much for all of your Star Trek contributions. Your birthday was April twentieth. Happy birthday as well to a pop star with a very apropos last name. Iggy Pop is the stage name of James Newell Ousterberg Junior, a rock singer, songwriter an occasional actor who appeared as Yelgren one of our fun little Vorda here in the DS nine six season episod The Magnificent FORENGI I remember seeing his face for the first time and going like, wait, is that is that Iggy Pop? That is Iggy Pops son of a Gun? And then sure enough his name was in the credits. So, Iggy Pop, thank you so much for forcing your way onto the Star Trucks set. We really appreciate that you were part of the franchise. Buddy, Happy birthday to you. You were born on April twenty first, Happy birthday as well to Gabrielle Damon, the actor who, at the age of thirteen years old, played Jeremy Astor

1:50:30 in TNG's third season episode The Bondig. I thought he did a great job in this, and in fact he was born only in nineteen seventy six, so what is that. I think he's just turning fifty this year. So, Gabrielle Damon, thank you so much for your Star Trek contributions in that fantastic episode Happy Birthday, as well to Kate Vernon, the actress who played a member of Species eight four to seven to two, impersonating Commander Valerie Archer in the Voyager fifth season episode In the Flesh, another dark horse of Voyagers episodes not too shabby at all, and Kate Vernon is one of the key components of that episode. Happy Birthday to You. Also born April twenty first, and last, but not least on Paul's list my list tonight is the fantastic and prolific actor Jack Quaid, one of our newer Star Trek members. He's the actor who voices Brad Bloimler, our purple haired friend in Star Trek Lower Decks. He reprised this role in live action in the Star Trek Strange New World second season episode Those Old Scientists, and if you have not seen him play that part, you should give it a go, because him and Tony Newsom together are just as good live as they are animated.

1:51:42 Jack Quaid born April twenty fourth, nineteen ninety two. That feels like just yesterday to me, but Happy Birthday to him, so that does it for that list, and Jim, you're bringing up the caboose on the birthdays here, Buddy. Absolutely, and I like to do the Klingons last. My first birthday is not a Klingon, he's a Vulcan. We want to say happy birthday to vag Potenza, the actor who played Spock at age thirteen is star Trek three The Search for Spock. He's from New York City, New York and now he works primarily behind the camera. Why did I do him when he's not a Klingon Because we had him on this podcast and he was so much fun to talk to, major sci fi fan. We talked about Logan's run, Battle Beyond the Stars, Battlestar Go Live to go Buck Rogers. He was great to talk to.

1:52:33 So go over to Trek talkin dot com and find the podcast with him and listen to it because he was awesome. Happy birthday, and now we're going to get to some Klingons. We want to say cup La to Alan Oppenheimer, the Emmy Award nominated actor who appeared as Coreth in TNG six season episode The Rightful Air. He also played Captain Keyho and DS nine second season episode Jim Hadar. He was the captain of the USS Odyssey, the Galaxy class starship that bit the dust. He also appeared as a Nazoo ambassador in The Voyager third season episode The Rise. Happy birthday to Alan Oppenheimer. We also want to say called La, and happy birthday to Lisa l Sero. She played the role of Ensign Murroe Paris and the Star Trek Voyager seven season episode End Game.

1:53:31 I'm not sure if that character is real or not because Jane Way reset the whole future, So does she still exist or doesn't. She exist in people's memories? Right? Yeah, yeah, actually I don't know. That whole thing is kind of weird. Yeah, but we're gonna wish her a happy birthday anyways. And last on my list is Robert Decou from Oklahoma. He's the actor who played Agora in Star Trek Deep Space nine's fourth season episode The Suns of Mogue. And there he is on the screen, right there, got La to Robert, and that wraps up our Star Trek birthdays.

1:54:13 And now it's time for our Star Trek. New Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on Secure. Channel incoming transmission enter authorization code command codes verified, define parameters of program level nine. Authorization required specifying parameters. Transfer updata is complete. A blank alert, blank alert. All right, Eric, take it away, buddy, you've got our first news story. All right, this is a bit of information that I got so excited about. I immediately sent it to the group and then realized that it wasn't really the premiere, but it's kind of the premiere. Star Trek's Strange New world Season three to premiere at the Tribeca Festival twenty five.

1:55:00 That's not for us, but maybe we'll get soon. Afterwards, the twenty twenty five Tribeca Film Festival announced its lineup of television and original independent episodic series. The festival, which takes place from June fourth to fifteenth in New York City, showcases highly anticipated world premiers of new and returning programs, along with exclusive panels featuring select cast members from major networks and streamers. Among its lineup, the third season of Star trek Strange New Worlds will premiere on June fourteenth. Following the season three world premiere, Tribeca will host a conversation with Anson mount Ethan Peck, Celia Rose Gooding, Babs Olusan, Ulcunn, Carol Cain, and executive producers Alex Kurtzman, Akiva Goldsman and Henry Alonzo Myers. An exciting twist on classic Star Trek season three takes characters both new and beloved to new heights and dives into thrilling adventures of faith, duty, romance, and mystery with varying genres never before seen on any Star Trek. So I am super excited that it's at least going to be shown on somebody's screen on June fourteenth, and I believe, as Charles indicated in our group chat, we often will see the thing premiere in the United States soon afterwards, so we're all keeping our fingers crossed.

1:56:23 Maybe a couple weeks after that. We've gotten confirmation it's going to be over in Europe in August, but we think we're going to get it about a month before that, so we'll have to see. Yep, all right, Charles, I think we got just enough time to squeeze you in here too, all right. Star Trek Very Special Strange Day World Episode four oh four raps filming director Axcel Carrol confirms the filming confirm that filming on paramounts Star Trek Strange Day World's episode four four as officially wrapped after learning that the third season would be dropped this summer. With the release of a new teaser, we're checking about how things are going with filming in the fourth season. Direct your axul Care Excel care of Carolyn, American horror story double feature Haunting a Blind manner has been dropping updates. It's very interesting teases about season's fourth episode, referring to it as being a very special episode. Carolyn offers a Hartfeld post about their experiences working in the Star Trek universe. Has also confirmed that filming on the episode has ramped. When honor to join the Star Trek family and to be a tiny part of the history by the greatest sci fi franchise of all times. Huge thanks to Chris Henry and Akiva, as well as a whole cast and crew for welcoming

1:57:55 me so warmly. Episode four, season four of Star Trek's Change which Your World is the Wrong, My Heart is Full, Live, long and prosper. In season three, we reconnect with the crew of the USS Enterprise they based the conclusion of season two is borrowing encounter with the Gorn, but new life and civilization of wait, including a villain that will test the character's grit and resolve. All right, so we're there. We have a little bit of update on a strange New world. So we had to be talking about season four when we haven't even seen season three yet. But I'm so excited that we've got two more coming.

1:58:36 Yeah that is. So you know, guys, I just want to remind you that our star Trek and Beyond is back and there's our brand new logo. Notice it's been updated a little bit destroyer and a viper from Battlestar Galactica, the Enterprise, deed of Onnium Falcon and what's that. Little what's there? Oh? Yeah, and there's a tartist in there? Artist in there? Yeah, doctor Who? Hey, the tartist doctor Who? Because we did talk about Doctor Who and we covered the whole season when they got the Lady doctor on there. That was my first Doctor Who. Yeah, so we're we're we're going to be expanding and talking about more sci fi.

1:59:21 So it was time to update our banner and there it is right there. You can see it on our Facebook page, Truck Talking and Beyond. Go and check it out. So with that of mine, what are we going to be talking about next week. Eric, Oh, next week we get to start our and Door March. So this week we got the drop of episodes one through three of and Or season two, and I believe for the next month, for the next four weeks, we're going to be talking about and Or three episodes every week. Uh and so you know, here's your spot, man, come and see what we thought about it. That's right, we're going to be talking about Star Wars and and my daughter Jamie's going to be joining us for that as well, so we will have a female perspective on the podcast.

2:00:03 Oh hey, Jim, will this be live so other people can join? Well, it's supposed to be live right now. I got to figure out what happened. My computer screen says that we are live. Yeah, it's live, but I can't find the link. I don't know where it went. I linked it to Facebook, but I don't see it there. I'll figure it out. But at any rate, we're going to be talking about and our guys, so you want to tune in and check that out. So I want to say thank you so much to Paul for hanging out and trek talking with us. He had to bounce early. Thank you, Paul, and thank you so much to Eric for hanging out and putting together the Evil Admirals Show. Thank you so much, Eric. Absolutely that was a blast. Glad you guys had fun. It was for your work too.

2:00:45 And of course thank you to Charles for hanging out in Trek talking with us, and I thank you Charles. I love the waving palm trees in the background. Great job, Eric, good show, great. Job, very good, very good. It's always great when when when the work is taken off of me and put on someone else. Oh and of course, thank you so much to David for everything you did, for working up all these great graphics and the great videos. You're definitely the miracle worker. Thanks for trek talking with us, and thanks for everything that you do. Yeah, that was really fun, guys. Sorry about the beginning. Okay, I don't know what happened my but yeah, it was really fun.

2:01:28 I enjoyed it all right, guys, And as usual, I'm your most excellent host, Uncle Jim saying, please remember start Trek fans are the best fans. Sci Fi fans are the best fans. How's that that's a thank you for being a fan and Please everybody be good to each other and stay safe. Hailing frequencies are closed. Live long and prosper hi else, good guy, a station ready. For departure, Sir, some problem riker. Just hoping this isn't the usual way our missions will go. So oh no Number one. I Actually most will be much more interesting. Let's see what's out there. Engage