Episode 630- Great Star Trek Performances

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0:51 Now we talk about the series. Of the Stone. Now, j. Well, good evening, Trekkies and Trekkers around the globe. It is Thursday, April third, twenty twenty five. Welcome to Trek Talking, Episode six hundred and thirty. Wow, before we go too far, I'm your most excellent host, Uncle Jim. Welcome to the podcast, and i'd like to introduce to you my awesome trek sperts. And we'll start off with Paul. Paul is out in Portland.

1:33 How you doing, Paul? Hey, Uncle Jim and brethren, how are we doing today? Doing? Okay, It's been a crazy week in my universe, but I am excited to escape from it for a while and discuss all these interesting things. I think we have a fun show, and absolutely. We definitely do. We also have Eric. Eric is out in Portland as well. How you doing tonight? Eric also doing pretty good, also had a crazy week, my star trek fans of the Northwest t shirt tonight feeling good about talking about some of our favorite great performances, so that I'm very excited about the show actually. And also out in Portland we have David. But David appears to be having some technical difficulties right now, so we'll swing back. Okay, we can hear you, but we can't see.

2:20 Yeah, no, yeah, someone something going on with my computer. I don't understand that it's saying that my camera went offline because I have to close other applications just using it. I'm like, I have nothing else open except for these slide shows. And for some reason, my slide show just here and I'm like, what, So, I'm not sure what's going on? Well, brother went down, you know what. I recommend that you try blame blame elon. Okay, well we can't. We can't blame blog talk radio anymore, like I know, yeah, thank god for that. Yeah, the last master of that ship finally sunk beneath the waves.

3:00 That is. Well, while we're waiting for David to uh to come and see us, we're gonna move on over to Las Vegas and say hey to Charles. How you doing tonight, Charles, I'm doing good. Get a chance to be in the outdoor studio today. Crazy weather in Vegas, the palm trees. Winter came back, palm trees. We had spring, then we go back to winter. Then I hear we might get spring in early summer next week. We'll take it with you. Yeah, right, If they were Jim, it'd be snowing here. Wow.

3:40 All right, So David is still not with us. You guys can go to www. Dot trek Talking dot com and over there you can find access to all of our podcasts. They're all there, at least over four hundred and fifty of them. And while you're there, it's a little green I changed the color to green instead of blue. There's a little green talk back mic in the bottom right hand corner. If you click on that mic, you can record a message for us, and you can tell tell David how wonderful his slide show is, or compliment Charles on his swinging palm trees or whatever you want. You can record a message first there and we will play it on the very next show. You can help support Trek Talking podcast by becoming Patreon member for only two dollars a month. What does that get you, Well, that gets you early access to not the audio, but the video feed of this podcast, the one that we're recording right now. If you'll be able to watch it, you'll be able to see all of David's excellent slide shows, which obviously you can't see while you're on the audio only while you're over at our Facebook page at the top, there's a little pin post that livelong and prosper saying, hey, where you're listening from. All you gotta do is just drop us a little line there, tell us where you're listening from. Leave a lot of emojis because they get my attention and the more app to get you picked.

5:03 But if you don't want to become a patron, remember there is also a link to PayPal and you can make a one time, one shot donation to help keep this podcast going. On tonight's show, we're gonna be doing great performances on Star Trek. We've each one of us has gone through and picked three of our favorite appearances of actors on Star Trek, and we're going to talk about them tonight, all Star Trek, not just TOS or TNG, but all Star Trek. We also have our Star Trek fan shout outs where we thank our fans around the globe, just like you right there. We have our Star Trek poll questions and fan reactions to Star Trek Strange New World season three teaser trailer. Have you seen it? What did you think about it? We also have our Star Trek birthdays and what's going on around the Star Trek universe.

5:56 We have a Star Trek. Academy update, Michelle Nicols, Space Star Trek Omega wraps up IDW's comic book series, and just for Paul Nascell Wave two action figures. And that, my friends, is what we have and planned for you tonight. So without any further ado, Eric, would you like to get us started with our fans shout outs? We're still waiting for David. Yeah? Would I ever? I'm gonna spin this globe over to the European side of things, just a little bit east of where we all are right now, and I'm going to say hello to Carl. I'msen Carl Eisen probably pronounced eesen Off Deutsch, is my guest is sending us hailing frequencies from Germany with that awesome livelong and prosper emoji, which I'm positive is what got Jim's attention. Carl, we really appreciate your support over there in Germany, and I hope to make it to your wonderful country one of these days. I have a lot of familiar background there and would love to see all of the places and taste all of the foods and all the smells and all that good stuff.

7:01 So thank you so much for saying hello to us. I'd also like to move just a little bit west and north and say hello this week to Petra Shehian, who saying hello to us from Dublin to Ireland. Dublin, Ireland, lots and lots of support over there on that wonderful part of the world. Thank you so much for saying hello to us, and livelong and prosper to you, Petra. Also saying hello this week to Hank debru Veje from Nijmikjen in the Netherlands, and I'm positive that I have massacred the name of that town, because you know, when you're an American, you just have a hard time names. It's not for lack of trying. I actually went online and listened to it and I still can't quite get it.

7:45 But thank you so much, Hank, for saying hello to us from that amazing country land of canals, architecture float. Actually you hold the record in terms of number of floating buildings in a single country. I happen to that being an architect. So Hank de Bravridge, thank you so much for saying hello to us. And we say hello right back to you, and live long and prosper to you. And last but not least, I would like to say hello this week and welcome Christopher Douglas Warrington, originally born in Manchester, then lived in Stockport in England, United Kingdom, but now living in the Sierra sur de Jen of Andalusia in Spain. And we're getting a English flag, we're getting a Union jack, and we're getting a Spanish flag, all from you. Christopher. Thank you so much for saying hello to us and for repping all of the places from which you hail. We really appreciate your support. Now I'm going to spin this globe right over to Charles. Charles, who would you like to say hello to?

8:49 Oh? Thank you Eric. Let's start off with writing contributor Shane wald Smith from Nashville, Tennessee. Sixty year sixty eight years so old and have been trekky since the beginning. Oh great to hear Shane Warren. Welcomer, Ron Moore from Ohio, oh up North, Welcome Patricia Weaver from Ontario, Canada. Welcome Patricia, and welcome Mary Elle Siwah from Florida. And since I think David's having issues, I'll keep going. Welcome Ben, I'm here, Okay, try it, David.

9:39 Sorry, yeah, I'm just have a little bit of difficulty with the camera. That's all. I have. The microphone still going, but hi. Uh yeah, so let's give it one. Welcome to Ben Jackal from Los Angeles, where Skytrak was born. A right. Uh. Next on my listen is v Ellie from Williamsburg, Virginia. Thanks give another one. Welcome to Joey day Dange, Florida. From Florida. The XINDI probe will take out my home one day. Well hopefully that doesn't take place. But yeah, so next last time my list is Kat Gardner from Springfield, Marjouri, Paul, who's on your list.

10:23 Thanks David, appreciate it, my friend. Well, we'll always like to honor and say hello to our international audience and like to remind everybody that Star Trek's a global phenomenon and that we have people all across the planet, as Eric pointed out earlier, that are big fans and fellow enthusiasts, so it's really neat to be able to share that with people. First of all, I'd like to say to Uriel Robert hell Delico in the wonderful country of Belgium, that's definitely pretty high up there on my list of places that I would enjoy visiting. Really really splendid, absolutely great Belgium. Sound amazing, Rainier w Biermann from the Sea of Moors in Germany with a triple dose of the Vulcan live along and prosper salute and the German flag as well, smoothing a little bit cross longitudes to India to a splendid New Delhi where top fan Rojit Segal is chiming in this week and letting us know that Rajit is also a big Star Trek enthusiast and it's great to know that you're out there keeping track of our Facebook group and our podcast. Absolutely fantastic and another top fan. Top fans just seem to be everywhere this week from the wonderful UK boy. I can tell you stories about UK this week. It curl your hair. But I remain a big fan of all things man. I feel like there's some stories out there.

11:55 I want to hear that you. Don't stay good a beer? Yeah, I'm away, yeah, but yeah, it's it's a long one. It's a long one. Hopefully it'll end up good, but we'll see. It's to be continued. But I am saying hello to the great Burg of Norwich today. And Graham Taylor is a top fan from Norwich. Union Jack proudly unfurled, letting us know that even in those eastern coastal, sometimes frigid climbs of Norwich, there is still kindled enthusiasm for Star Trek and the Final Frontier. So great to know you're out there, Graham and all of our top fans, listeners and social media followers. You're part of what makes us exciting. Is we love hearing from you every week, Love knowing where you're from. Love knowing what you like, what you're into, what you've discovered, and what you're looking forward to of the things that are coming. And a lot of us got a real interesting glimpse of some upcoming Stranger Worlds this week. We'll all be talking about it soon. So pretty cool stuff.

13:00 Great to hear from everyone. And let's go over and see who Uncle Jim is going to say, howdy do today? Well, I thank you so much, Paul. I would like to say coplat and welcome the Rock. Sanne Waters is listening to us from Washington State. Thank you for being a fan. I also want to say hello and thank you to David Boucher who's listening to us right now in Minnesota, and James Webb from Indiana. And I want to send out a live long and prosper and a thank you to Craig Carrol who's listening to us in the great state of Oklahoma. And that wraps up our fan shout outs. And David is still having some technical difficulties. David, can you hear us?

13:44 Are you there? Okay? David restarted? Okay, No, David, okay. So in that case, we're going to go into our Star Trek polls which means we have to check in with our minion, you. Know me like no win what you thought about the show? Then we try. Just share your opinions with all of our minions out there because they listen worldwide. So tell us just what you think. Get together we will alter Canara and robulin An.

14:36 Al right, guys, you visit our Facebook page. I always have some interesting poll questions that I throw up there. Some of them are really deep and ethical, some of them are just fun and flighty, so you never know what you're gonna get. So, Eric, what kind of poll questions do I have? Well, actually, let me rephrase that they dropped a brand new, strange New World's teaser try on us and that became one of my pole questions, so that we're going to talk about that next. But first, what was our original poll question? Eric? Well, our first bowl question has some pretty interesting balance between responses, I think, which always makes for an interesting discussion.

15:17 In the TNG episode I Borg Captain pccard had the opportunity to wipe out the Borg and save countless lives, but he decided not to. Do you agree with his decision? And fifty six percent of our responders fifty six, slightly more than fifty said yeah, they agree with Picard's decision to not wipe out the BORG, and forty four percent of our responders said nah, he should have pulled the trigger and done the deed. So, uh, fifty six to forty four, that's that's pretty good split. Be interested to hear what you guys have to say about that. Well, Paul, you want to get us started with our opinions on our minions.

16:00 I have been yeah, I've been following Jim's pole questions as we all have for for you know, quite a while. So start doing this, and I think this is one of the most interesting ones because sometimes you know, the questions will be very like, you know, they're not what I would call controversial, right, Sometimes they're you know, like you know, William Riker said water is wet? Do you agree with his decision? I'm like, I don't know. This one, though, I thought was great because it is a real conundrum. It really is. It is extremely difficult to know where to land on this, right because you know, you can really see both sides, and it's challenging and it's it's it is difficult to it's like there it almost feels like there should be like a third choice in this one, just because the borg have like at this point, they have wiped out countless civilizations, you know, committed you know, total destruction, robbed. They'd always kill everybody, but they take away everyone's autonomy, right and absorb them into this larger, you know, collective, which in some ways is like a living death as opposed to you know, a permanent harp carrying death. Right. So I mean it's you know, really they've done horrible things, and so the chance to wipe them out, you know, really you can see where the damage they've done to civilizations across the galaxy is just you know, immense. But we're talking about genocide here, right, We're talked about basically you know, it's

17:32 like are you are you willing to become the enemy that you seek to get rid of? In order to do that, I mean, you basically have to, you know. It's just like if you were you know, it's like the old conundrum of like, if you could go back in time and kill Hitler, would you right? You know? And for me that's not a conundrum. I would walk right up to him and take care of business, and it would make your head spit how fast I would do it. But but but would you drop a bun would you drop a nuclear bomb in the middle of the country, you know, to UH to do that and commit you know, horrible, horrible murders. I can only really think of one country that has done that. But yeah, it's it's awful because none of I think my point is long winded as it may be. Every solution has a bad outcome, right, I mean, there's nothing occurs with either choice that that is worth celebrating because grief has been visited on everybody in those situations. So it's like it's, you know, sorry, Captain Kirk, But I think this might be one of those no win situations that we we talk about with the Kobyashi Buru. It's just it's an ethical dilemma. I don't know that you can untie that knot so I don't know that I really uh I I tend to probably go with UH with his decision and agree, blow your shields and slow to your ships.

18:55 You will your biological and theological distinctiveness to our own. And this is why people don't like them, because they're interrupting you all the time. Right, you're doing your thing, and then all of a sudden, the borg just start talking. It's like, I'm you know, sorry, I am speaking, I am speaking, right, So yeah, I think I tended to lean more with this with his decision, because just you know, you might save a lot of people. But man, you never get that taste out of your mouth, right if you do something like that, right, I mean it's just like, are you willing to become Anton Caridean Cotos the Executioner to save half the galaxy? I don't know if I could live with it. Well, I think Cisco made a similar choice on Deep Space nine, right, I mean he you know, he murdered somebody to get the romulus to get into the war to save how many millions of lives? But if you remember the episode, originally Picard was all gung ho for it, right, you guys remember he had Georady make up the virus.

19:56 He was all set to do it, and then he became friends with Hugh, and then Hugh met with Gynan and Guynan brought Hugh to the card and got the car to change his mind. But he was pretty stubborn at first. So I think Paul is right. I think no matter what you do you have a problem here, Because as fans, we all know the outcome. We know the damage that. The Borg will end up causing. We know that the civilizations that are going to be wiped out, the millions and millions of people that are going to be destroyed. We know that. The car doesn't. So while he has to base his decision on is what he knows at that time, and that's the damage that the Borg have already done. He doesn't know what they're about to do. So yeah, I think this is one of those I think this is a Kobe aishumanrule. You're damned if you do, and you're damned if you don't. So, uh yeah, that's that's my choice.

20:58 What about you, Eric, Knowledge is power, And at this point in the story, I think you're exactly right, Jim. It was Hugh's recaptured individuality and his friendship with Jordie that pushed Picard in the right direction. And you know, prior to this, we didn't We thought once somebody was assimilated, they were gone forever and they weren't even a real person anymore. And I think that we learned through this episode, and I think that was the point of the episode. That oh my gosh, there is still somebody in there, and then of course we get Hugh featured prominently in Picard years later, just a few years ago our time.

21:40 So I absolutely agree with Picard's decision. I think you have to think very very hard about genocide if you're gonna if you're gonna commit it, maybe against an ant infestation or something, but even that has it's you know, could be considered problematic. So yeah, I think for me it's a little more clear. I think that he made the right decision. I think that I also have the benefit of hindsight knowing that eventually Jane Wade takes care of business and you know, basically takes care of the borg and they don't really come back in any in any way until we start to see Pacard, and even then that threat was much much smaller than the board was before. So I one hundred percent agree with with Picard's decision on this one.

22:32 Well, Charles, that drops the ball in your court. Well, I think I'm going to modify a little bit what Eric said. We have had what we did at that point, have one borg return back to gaining their individuality. That was the cutest. So when we finally got a borg that wanted to regain his in the visuality and humanity. You sit there and sacrifice that life to do you sit there and sacrifice one for the many. Sometimes you don't want to sacrifice the many because of the one. So, yes, this is a this is a Kobayashi maru. But I think he did make the right choice and allowing Hugh to have his individuality and try to return as himself.

23:36 All right, so where does that put us with the minions? Yeah? Yeah, sort of. Yeah, I mean the minions are fifty more or less. Ye, the minions are pretty much under. I think our size is too small to really. Say, all right, well that's our borg conundrum. Now we have a more I really wish that Charle that David could get in here with us. I'm gonna I'm gonna give him a second to see if he can connect with the new link, because he put a lot of work into creating the slideshow for the strange new world that we're about to talk about. So I'm gonna give him a second to see if it works. Can you if you can hear me, David, let me know. And Charles just sent him the link. So while we're waiting for that.

24:35 Yeah. While we're waiting, Eric, you want to tell us what's going on with Strange New Worlds. I do have a little bit of a fan feedback from the Facebook page. Well, I are you talking about maybe doing our second poll instead the Romulin pole first? Yeah? Yeah, So we had a good Romulin poll here, guys. It's of these choices, which Romulin character is your favorite? So we got tomoloch Nero, Cela el Noor de Natra, both Romulin commanders, the male and the female one, which are your favorite Romulins? And it's to me no surprise that Cela came out on top on this one. So Cela being Tasha's daughter, we see her in Unification and Redemption.

25:27 She gets twenty three percent of the votes this week, so that is pretty good. But right on her heels, of course, is Mark Leonard's Romulin commander from Balance of Terror, and I don't think anybody's gonna argue against that. What a great performance, what a great episode, what a great introduction to Romulins in general. So he's right up there, coming about six percentages behind that. We have el Noor from Star Trek Picard with sixteen percent of the votes. Directly behind him, we have the Romulin Commander from The Enterprise Incident, the female Romulin commander, with thirteen percent of the votes. I was a little surprised that Denatra ends up fifth in this poll. Personally, she only got ten percent of the votes. I am guessing that is because that is not people's favorite movie, but that's just that's just me spitballing here. And tied with her, we have Tomolok from TNG, who I think was an excellent Romulin character, with also ten percent of the votes, and Nero from Star Trek two thousand and nine did garner six percent of the votes of the responders to this poll. So, you know, no surprise to me that Sela is on the top of this list and that the Romulin Commander is right up there. Wouldn't have been surprised if he was number one. Eleanor did a little better than I thought he would, honestly, and Denatra did a little worse

26:58 than I thought she would. So of these ones, you know, it's really hard for me to say who is my favorite. I think that I have a tendency to bring beta canon stuff into it, and I'll say that Celia has had some very excellent comic book appearances over the last five years with IDW Comics a whole storyline that involved her that was just outstanding. I thought, so she's my choice, but not just for the on screen works that she did, also for the beta canon stuff that she did. So she's my personal favorite. What do you guys think? Well, for me, my favorite Romblin I would go with el Nore from Picard. I thought it was great that we actually got to see a Romulan in more than one episode, and el Nore was pretty much featured in all of season one, all of season two, and he kind of got brushed off in season three. But I enjoyed seeing seeing Elle myself. So el Nor would be my top choice. And I won't get into all the rest of them because it just takes too much time.

28:08 But for me, the only change I would make is I would bump el Nore up to number one. How about you, Charles, who is your favorite? I'm gonna say Eleanor might have been first, and then Cela might have been second. Stila didn't have an interesting story with Tashi r, which made her a bit unique, but Eleanor was our first real good Romulant we got, we really able to get along with, we felt for. Too. Yeah, all right, what about what about you, Paul, who is your favorite rhymeling character? Well?

28:52 I tend to lean old school, right, and uh, it's just you know, I watched so much syndicated original series growing up up. It is just baked in my head, right, I mean, these are all really good choices. Tolok should be much higher up there than he is, I think, I mean, he should probably be number four. I would probably say, well, actually, now for me, number one should be absolutely Mark Leonard as the original Romulin commander. That is a spectacular performance, right, and as originally mean I think they've gradually veered away from this a lot in subsequent iterations, from showing the Romulins struct different parts of the franchise. But what's great about when they first introduced the Romulins right in this episode, never seen him before?

29:39 They were the model was the Roman Empire, right, absolutely? I mean everything Romulus Remus, right, I mean the Imperial Rome. Was that their whole inspirational structure there, and there's a praetorian on you know, the Romulin ship and just the way Mark Leonard played that and brought a sense of history to and was he just did not portray the Romulan as a black and white bad guy. Was there's so many shades of gray, right, it was just like he was a guy who had morals, ethical compass. He believed in what he was doing. He also believed that he had served an organization that had become corrupt and that was heading in a bad direction, and all he really wanted to do was get his men home, all right, And so it's a very human performance. He is able to actually see his opponent as someone who is worth having admiration for and not worry about getting in trouble saying it. You know, admittedly he's on his deathbed when he says it, but still it's a cool moment because it's like he's in a different reality. I could have called you friend, right, we have more in common than we do things that you know, separate us. So it's an amazing human performance, right. I just think he did a remarkable remark job. Big fan of that performance for me.

31:03 Number two would be the Enterprise incident counterpoint, right, the female Rotmeli commander. She's great, that's an amazing character, really really cool. So those would be my tops for sure. All Right, Well, guys, David is still having trouble connecting, which is bad because he did so much work for us, which we're not going to be able to enjoy. So Eric, what's our final question of the evening. Well, we asked our fans about the new Strange New World season three teaser trailer, which I believe we are going to chat about a little bit tonight, and our fan Dan Sexton said, nothing about this trailer got me excited to see the new season and gives us a little sad face. Sorry it didn't hit for you, David or Dan, excuse me. Dennis Kitmore said, looks like fun, but I really wish it would come sooner. Also, did I see Patton Oswald as a Vulcan? And I'm gonna say yes, you did, Dennis, You very much did. So that is something that we could definitely talk about too, Thanks, Dennis.

32:17 Dan Sturby said, this Spock and Nurse Chapel romance is gotten out of hand. It completely contradicts the original series. Hmmm. He had no interest in her, even she was, even though she was into him, and that was as far as it went. They never hooked up. Well, you may be forgetting Dan about a certain animated series episode that we may talk about when we talk about Harry Mud today. Dan Sturby, thank you for your comments. Christopher Swindles, one of our rising contributors, said, I actually love Paul Wesley's take on Captain Kirk, But why does he have to keep showing up on Strange New Worlds? Not his enterprise, not his story? All right, Christopher, Well we'll see how much of him we get this season. Keith Thompson said, people keep trying to push the nineteen sixty sensibilities of the original series into a show being produced nearly sixty years later. Just relax and let Strange New Worlds be its own thing, Thanks Keith. Keith C. Smith said, did I see a three armed mister Eric's in there somewhere?

33:29 Jim gives us the double thumbs up because it's true. Thanks Keith for noticing that, and we may chat about that in a little bit here too. Phil Stanfield, one of our top contributors, said, for me, for me, the dress up stuff and reality twisting I can do without the gorn et cetera looks really good. Well, Phil, I think that that trailer showed us, if nothing else, that there's going to be a lot of variety in this season. So thanks for your comments and I hope you love those gorn. Harley Mento said this looks like apos and I don't think he means a point of sale. Loved season one, liked season two, but this looks slap happy comedy bullshit. Why can't they do serious sci fi on older premise?

34:16 Shows? Illogical, boring, silly, no explanations, and now this looks horrid. Thanks for letting us know how you feel, Charley Perry Wolf said, being me up. Mike Cook said love it. Michael Fillyan, a rising contributor, said, I freaking screamed and I can only assume that was in a good way. Michael. So thanks to all our fans who rendered their opinions on this. I didn't do any math on this, but it sounds really balanced to me. It sounds like about half the people are totally into it, and about half the people are saying whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, slow the drain down. This doesn't look like the type of star dreg I'm interested in, so uh so, yeah, there you have it, New strange, New World season three teaser.

35:11 Oh h yeah, yeah, I'm just trying to get I'm trying to get David into the I just sent David a brand new link and hopefully that will work for him. That's why so nice. Yeah, we're live and David worked really hard on this. I would like to see if we can get him in here at any rate. A strange New worlds Okay, So you know, I wasn't excited when I saw this trailer. I was a little bit disappointed in what I saw. We've been waiting two years and this is what they give us. Say more? What what say more about what you were hoping to see, Jim and what you didn't care for? What you did see?

35:57 Well, what I what I didn't see is I didn't see any Star Trek adventures. I saw a Holideck adventure. I saw a murder mystery deal. I saw a Captain Proton type of deal. I saw Pellia rewiring the ship for analog. I did see Klingons, Yeah, I did see Klingons and a Klingon with a whip that got me enthused. And I think I saw a Gorn flash by as well. I think I saw I don't know if it was Lieutenant Erics or not. But I did see an audogian show up. I did see Kirk and Scottie say we make a great team. That was awesome, But with only ten episodes, it seems to me like they're wasting time on trivial fluff. And when you only have ten episodes and you put out a trailer like this one, when I don't know, I I wasn't really really thrilled. Just my opinion, other than the Klangons and stuff. I'll have to wait and see what they do with it, but that was my take on it.

37:21 Silence the room, are are we rendering opinions right now? I shared mine and no one said anything. I was like, okay, no, no, no, Well let's start out by saying, Jim, You're wrong. No, I'm just kidding this, I'm wrong, you know. I mean, this is kind of the same reaction that I think we saw when we saw the original trailer for Subspace Rhapsody, which nobody was into and everybody thought it was going to be terrible, and then generally speaking, I think the public kind of took to it. I think that there were a lot of people who still didn't dig it because they don't dig on musicals in general. That the ridiculousness that we've kind of seen so far also don't forget if we if we kind of rewind, includes the crew being turned into vulcans temporarily, which I actually strangely had much more of a problem with than some of this like nineteen sixties retro stuff, which I think looks fun and interesting. So, you know, here, for me, here's the deal. We've got X number of episodes of the original series. We've got X number of episodes of the Next Generation, which were essentially kind of like the second generation or the next generation I guess, of the original series, right, So we've seen a lot of serious Star Trek stories being told.

38:49 I think Strange New Worlds personally is the exact right platform to be taken these type of risks. They did it with Subspace Rhapsody, and for me, it hit, and it hit big time, and they were able to kind of give it that pseudo scientific basis that you know, everybody's like, how can they possibly do a musical? And then they like came up with a way that they could do it, and and I thought it worked. So, you know, how can they do a retro thing here, How can they have holodecks in the you know, original series era like all this stuff. I mean, there's there's precedent for things like this, there's you know people. One of the things that I think Strange World is doing that is totally awesome is they are constantly referencing the animated series. And I think that there are a ton of Star Trek fans that haven't seen the animated series and so they don't consider that part of their like Star Trek cannon. But you know, the animated series had the rec room. They had a rec room that you could go into where like suddenly it was winter inside, right, So it wasn't like they didn't have holodex style technology.

39:52 Granted it didn't have the yellow grid thing going on that TNG had, which it seems that they're kind of ret connie into Strange New Worlds right now, but but this stuff exists. So I actually watched the trailer like four or five times. I was totally into it. It went by a little quick for me, so I had to like watch other people's videos on it to kind of dissect everything and pause every once in a while to kind of dissect things. I kind of. If I had a complaint, it would be that I wish the trailer was like two minutes long instead of a minute long. But generally speaking, it hit. It hit pretty well for me, and I'm I'm excited about the next season. It's my thought. There you have it, Paul, you want to jump in next Yeah, I love.

40:32 To love to excuse me, I thought it was. I was very surprised by it, because there was this the day before, right, the Star Wars Universe had like kicked out their surprise trailer for like their new animated show right from May, and it was they got a lot of thunder from that, and it was just great to see the very next day income Star Trek. Right, It's like, well we got some stuff for you too, right. So it was these two previews right on top of each other, which was pretty cool. I love both universes, but I thought this was a good trailer. Jim's like, I didn't see any Star Trek Adventures, right, and I think you're going to get Star Trek Adventures. I think this is just a taste, right. Like Eric said, this is pretty short, pretty quick, and it was cut quickly, right, moved just a little glimpse of something you'd see just enough for something to peak your interest, like is that an engagement ring on Christine Chappel's finger? And then they cut right, I mean just really quickly. Who is that?

41:26 Is that? The squire of got those and they were just cut right, really really quickly. So you don't know, right, But I think it was designed very shrewdly to make you ask a lot of is that questions? Right, to kind of peak your interest and make you want to know more. And I think a lot of stuff really telegraphing for you know, invested fans, right. I think that tone is really interesting thing in the fandom, right. I think Eric was talking about that when you were talking about some Space rhapsody, right, And there's like your initial preconception and wow. I think I feel that we can all fess up to this right as science fiction fans, because you see it regardless of what sci fi show you you like.

42:09 But as evidenced in the comments from our fans that Eric just read, right, man, we like to wear our goggles. Really. There's David, Hey, David, I got an echo on you, but it's great to hear you. This is I think it's what We had the same echo when we had legendary director Nicholas Meyer on here. Remember that echo? Anyone else in that echo? Or am I just talking to myself. Now? Eric's muted? Why is it not echoing for me? Oh, it's because I muted, David, Can you mute your thing just to see if it gets rid of our echo? Right now?

42:51 To jaw to jaw to hello, Hello, Hello. I don't know. It's still mini there. It's not too bad. Tracting makes it sound like grown up sound stage or something, so so ay heow, captain, captain, captain. Yeah, I thought it was just you know, tone is weird, right, And a lot of our fans are like, oh, this is different than the Macaronium used to give me, and I don't like bad, right. We get a lot of that, right, jumping up and down. You know, I'm pretty sure I'm the oldest person on this podcast by a good job, right, But I can still kick any of your asses at any given day. It's absolutely all right. So let's just not get carried away here. I mean, I try not think it stuck in the thing. I mean, I love you when I do my favorite performances. Now you're gonna see it's just so old school original series. But I'm not like married to it that I'm not willing to try the things right. It's like Discovery, right, tone threw a lot of people off, right because it is so emotional, right, and there's a lot of heartfelt there's a lot of crying and sobbing and Discovery in particular seasons right, that really threw people off. Oh that is a beautiful side, David, thank you. Oh, great to have you back, sir, great to have you back. Persistence, gentlemen, persistence clows off. But you know, a lot of people don't like Discovery, and I think, you know, the tone with Strange New Worlds is a little old school, right. But I think if there's one word I could pick to describe what they

44:25 have generally, I think succeeded in doing all those different previous seasons and what I got from this season right is fun. I think they really are striving to have a sense of fun. That it's a little giddy and goofy. It's super adventurous too. I mean they lean into like horror movie stuff and hard exciting adventures. People get killed tragically, all right. Cling on episode from last season right with my Benga and stuff. Pretty hardcore drama there, man. I mean, so there's a lot of Yeah, you've got a cake sliced up into ten pieces, but every slice is a little different tasting, right, And so you get a lot of variety with the show. And I enjoy the fact that they're tweaking cannon, right. You know, they're willing to show me a trailer that has Christine Chappell waking up in the morning in bed next to Mistresspock. That is salacious and intriguing and a little gutsy. And I don't know if that that image right there on the screen. God, it's just great to have these images back. So good to have David solve this problem. I'm wondering if that's Trelaine man.

45:38 And you know, I'm so excited to havery Starby on this show. He's just so good. He's hilarious. He's hilarious. And I was thinking about Trelaine. I think that was the answer to like, what do you do with that ethical question about the you know, Picard's choice about the borg? Right, you wait till you get cue right, and then you say, cute, I want you to take all the borg in the universe, and I want you to move them out into the farthest regions of space where they can't threaten anyone else, like millions of millions of light years away. I mean, that's the only answer that would solve it. So and there we go. There is a fan fave right there. Good to see him, pat Oswald.

46:19 Really great guy holders holding red roses for a vulcan. Very strange that. I hit up Jim, I go, is I going to be sidebocked? I don't know, so I'm super curious. But it looks like everyone's having a lot of fun this season. You know, I think it's better to kind of lean into that a bit more in the name of audience engagement than to be so serious and puffed up that you sort of, you know, detach and bore the hell out of everyone and end up just sort of robotically, you know, Thank you, Eric, that was the perfect prompt you sort of just end up. You know, this is a fun show. If you're you know, a teenager or a little bit older, dude, I think you can have a lot of fun with this. So so I was way more jazzed from this trailer than I was from the one we saw like last August. I want to say it was right.

47:06 I mean, also, Paul, this is a great counterpoint to like all the sci fi that said, there's so much serious, like world ending sci fi. Remember even with Discovery, which I love Discovery, but every single season was like something cataclysmic is going to destroy all of life everywhere, and that happened every single season. Oh wait a minute, Yeah, the bowels of the universe are about to rip open, and we're you know, and but here's We're getting a lot of cool stuff and I'm getting Discovery era vibe from the production. Design on that cling on. Yeah, I'm very intriguing. So, I mean then when I walked away from this, there's a little goofy in places with Carol Caine and the telephones and and and some of that stuff and the Captain Proton stuff. Yeah, that's a little goofy, right, But you know, I think they'll probably I mean, but again, we were all like, I'm very not liking this. When we first got a glimpse of of Subspace Rhapsody, right, We're like, are you are they kidding? I mean, wow, everyone was just so opposed to that, right, and that I think that episode is a masterpiece. And I don't use that word lightly. I think it was just absolutely amazing, really pulled it off.

48:16 So a lot of this is just maybe context. Right, We're looking around now and we're why is she crying her telephone? You know, Carol Kane? And but what will be the context of how that's written into the show. What's the reasoning behind it? Right? And we have yet to know. But I'm going in super intrigued, very much open minded. The world is terrifying me these days. I am really very concerned about some of the things they see happening in society. Knowing I can get an hour's worth of fun for ten weeks, man, that's I'm sign me up. I'm really ready for that. It's like peaceful dude, yeah and hopeful.

48:57 Right, I mean, I'm just just I love this cast. This is weird. A lot of our focus tonight is about acting tonight and the craft of the actor and performances, right, And this is a great cast, you know, really wonderful actors. I look forward to spending more time with them. Well, if you guys remember you hated section thirty one based on the trailer you saw the trailer and none of you guys, you already made up your mind to hate it before we saw it. What's the difference between that trailer and what we just saw. Well, Section thirty one ended up being worse than the trailer from my point, Yeah it was. It was domination is Yeah, but you you already didn't like it because you didn't like the trailer.

49:37 Well, it wasn't. It was a question of what I was giving is evidence in front of my eyes. Right, it's just pure subjective appreciation of art. Every hits everyone differently, right for what I like? I Section thirty one trailer looked really bad, and I was like, that doesn't look good to me. And and you know this, you know what came out of the kitchen and got put down as my entree was kind of what I feared, right, So I didn't care for it. This doesn't look as negative to me. This looks way more appetizing. I'm like, oh, this is great, what a lovely amuse bousch. I'm ready for the entree. This looks like fun. So there's just different, different content and we're perceiving it differently. Man, Just because you didn't care for a Jim doesn't mean that you are wrong in any way. You know, you just have a different point of view, and it could be what did you have for breakfast that morning?

50:22 I happen to love Star Trek five. Yeah, and that's good. I think that's great. I'm willing to bet you, though, when we get back here, I don't know exactly. We don't really know when this comes yet. We just know summer, right, But I'm a little bet brother that when you know, whatever it is, late July early August rolls around and we've seen the bulk of these episodes, I'm betting you're going to be sitting here going wow. I dug that, now that I've seen it, I think you're going to have a little change of perspective and that probably some of these will end up delighting you because you know, you're a huge Star Trek fan and this looks like it was really made for Star Trek fans. So let's just see what happens, you know, it'd be interesting to see our opinions evolve, right. I like what I saw. I like what I saw some of it. I'm a little you know, cutesy stuff, but you know, I really need something fun to get behind right.

51:06 Now, and I think, and there there's the adosion that definitely looks like an adosi to me, whether or not as Lieutenant Eric's don't know, but three arms orange a doosi. And that sign in the background's got a lot of attention too, because it seems to say United Federation of Planets scent centennial or centenary, but it's some kind of reference to one hundred years of the United Federation of Planets, which is interesting. Twenty two sixty one then right, yeah, yeah, would be said because there's. Some kind of big celebrations heralding. So it just seems as I look at this little trailer which is like two minutes, right, and there's a lot going on seconds, but it was cut very briskly, right and uh you know, and when when uh uh when you know our pilots like Rachel gross like yeah, I'm ready, So it's fun.

52:04 What do people think? Sorry, I can't. Girl, you want to jump in? Yep? Well, I will admit it was a long day. I heard teeps about the preview, didn't get through it at lunchtime, and forgot about it during the day, so I haven't seen it, but I'm gonna make some comments up what people said. Okay, everybody was gonna hate Bohemian Rhapsody. No, I was one. I love musicals. I was ready to sit there and hear a musical. I wanted to hear what they would do with a musical. I was looking forward to it and was on my edge when it hit and dancing around when it was over. Okay, we're looking at it. Okay, we see we see chaplain Spock in bed. We don't have any context to what that see that shot was Was it a real shot? Was it a dream? Was it's something that happened by mistake.

53:10 We don't know why it happened. Carol King is carrying around the analog phone. Maybe maybe we're landing on a planet that's equal to modern days or twentieth century Earth. Oh, we got to use a phone because the only way we can communicate with them, because our communicators won't won't deal with their their equipment. We never know why we're doing these things. I'm one of the points like context is King is what you're saying? Yes exactly? Or you know, maybe Chapel lost a bet.

53:54 Who knows as I. That It's like it's like so many things are like that like, oh it ends up being dream It's like yeah, and that we don't think that way, right, So I really appreciate you bringing that up, man, because that's a really good point. Is we we're just looking through the keyhole, right, we don't know the whole picture yet exactly. Is that Corby was going to be on here too? They said Roger Corby was going to show up, So. Well we know because she's going with she's going off to the universe or what university or whatever it was. And we know he's supposed to be there, Hodwartz.

54:35 So it's all the thing is. But as I said, this is all teasers. They're trying to tease you with stuff, and it's getting some people upset because like, oh, well I don't want that happening. It's like, you don't know any context of how this is relating to the episode. You may think, oh, why would she be caring a telephone? Well, I don't know, but maybe we're down the planet that needs analog telephones and we can get their communication or right back up, I want to wait and see what happened to the episode. First.

55:17 All right, guys, I'm going to try and get David in here. I'm not going to make any promises because Riverside Studio does not allow me to change any of the audio settings except for muting microphones once we start to record. So right now I have David completely completely zeroed out, So I'm going to turn his mic on, and if the echo is too bad, I'm going to have to I'm gonna have to shut him back down again. So, uh, David, you're on. You can't hear David? Oh wait, go ahead? Is it too requery? There we go, Oh we can hear you go for it, speak loud thought.

56:01 I'm really stoked for this. I can't wait to see how they do it. I really enjoyed this preview. I said, oh no in the chat a while ago today only because of the way out in somewhere like I didn't want to have to wait. But I'm actually wondering if that guy is like a cue character. But yeah, you David, have you are you familiar with the original series at all? Have you seen the Squire of Gothos and Trelaine. Yeah, so that's the conjecture right now. And then there's some question as to whether Trellaine is actually a que or not. That hasn't actually been resolved. Mariner appears to be like, it's not a cue, but it's.

56:43 Kind of a cue. So yeah, yeah, I just don't remember them ever snapping their fingers in the original, but this one they're clearly making them snap, so it makes it seem like they're trying to connect them to be a queue. So I don't know, make. Sense, but yeah, and if I was that guy right there, I don't know if you gonna be sidebock or not, because he just doesn't seem to have the stature from what we saw in the previous season where he was kind of like a little bit taller and stuff, because I thought that guy's pretty short, so maybe that could be a thing. I don't know, but but yeah, I'm really excited about this particular season and I can't wait to see how they tie it with the original. But yeah, it'd be kind of interesting to see. And of course the whole telephone thing was kind of funny. And he's holding a joystick. Oh, she's holding a joystick. I didn't notice Savage for they're both holding joysticks. So yeah, it's gotta be something that has to do with like something going on with the engines, I would imagine, but I don't know. Maybe it had something to do with this picture right here. Maybe the systems are down, I don't know.

57:52 But other than that, Yeah, we got goings, we got the three arms, lady. It's gonna be really fun. Stuff can be a really fun uh ten episodes, ten new adventures? So what's what happened? There's not going to be any two putters though, because they specifically said ten new adventures, which your ten episodes, So I guess that's the thing. Well, they better wrap Gorn situation from Yeah. But Jim, I'm what I'm hoping is that they don't wrap it up in like one episode or like a half of an episode. It feels like it deserves a little bit more time than that. I don't know, personally, it feels like they just need to like extend that just a little bit.

58:38 Yeah. Absolutely, all right, guys, Well, now we're going to get into our great Performances section, which we're doing for Paul and uh ieve, and there's the Gorn. I believe that we have Paul starting first, right, David, I think so? All right, Paul, So the stage is yours taking out fun fun. You know, we were sitting around talking, right, and we were kind of saying, and I think how this all evolved, audience is it was leading up to like award season, right with the Emmys and the Golden Globes and the Oscars, and we were saying, well, you know, we didn't have a lot of new content to talk about, and we said, what if we all just sort of talked about some of our favorite performances that have ever been on Star Trek and you know, let's focus on like, you know, core recurring main cast members. But who are the guest performances that you felt just really you know, blew your socks off that they came in there and they really just kind of redefined a little bit of their corner of the Star Trek universe because their exhibition of the craft of acting was so strong, right, And so I just thought that would be fun. And that's kind of what how this all came together tonight for the idea for this particular show. So for me, like I said earlier, I just I grew up, you know, watching the original series so much and a character and that I just always just I just found them haunting and fascinating. Is Matt Decker, right, I mean great, great character. But that performance by the great William Windham, as you see here is oh my god, doomsday machine, right, one of the

1:00:12 all time great episodes Norman's been rad second season. In the course of that, I mean, it's one of the first times we see, you know, somebody who's in starfleet higher Echelon's right, a commodore, right on board, and he means well, but he's an authority figure and he thinks he's always right, right, and he in the course of that episode, here's a guy who's lost his entire ship and crew, right, all killed. He feels guilt, he feels responsibility for it. Right, He's anguished over all the lives he lost on his watch. He is desperate because of the high stakes of this planet killer that nobody can figure out how to stop. That seems invulnerable, right, He's full of rage, pathos. He's sobbing, he's crying, he's obsessed.

1:01:02 And then at the end he makes like the ultimate act of bravery and sacrifices himself in an attempt to save others and and find redemption. It's an and he's amazing. He modeled a little bit of his performance on Bogart's Captain Keeg from the Kane Mutiny or with the what he was doing with the with the cassette tapes, right, was very similar to what you know, the quigue does in Kane. So it's a real tribute to classical you know, character building. But it's just he you see the whole wealth of human experience in Matt Decker in those in that whole episode, uh, his whole byplay with Spock. I mean, he basically gets into a kung fu fight with you know, a security guard so he can you know, steal a shuttle craft, right. I mean, he's you know, he's he's determined, he's obsessed, but he's always human, right, he thinks he's right.

1:01:58 I just love the fact that he's got this five o'clock shadow on him because he's you know, when you know, Kirk and everyone is interviewing him and about what happened to your crew, and he's like and they're like, there is no third planet, and he just is just his reaction, you know, he says, don't you think I know that? I mean, it's just he's just he's unhinged. It's it's phenomenal because you don't you forget you're watching a guy acting. He just seems like he's lived through this and is so compelling, and it's just to me, it's just, you know, if I could only pick one actor that just really shows the range of what's possible for a character in Star Trek, I'd picked this guy. I just think it was legendary performance. So agree, gentlemen. Not I have more, but yeah, I just love this one of them. For me, it's one of the all time greatest episodes ever.

1:02:51 No, totally, I totally agree with you, Paul, And I remember the first time I saw this episode, I was like, God, that guy doesn't really look like a Starfleet officer. But then in the car text of the episode where he's lost his entire crew, like you said, you realize that all of the captains in Star Trek, regardless of their amazingness and how they kind of like always get people out of jams, they are real people and they really care about who they're dealing with. I think that's like one of the ways the Discovery really shine too, is like Michael Burnham actually caring about her crew and like showing emotion about it. Well, here we get Decker showing emotion about his crew. Right, He's he's a little unhinged, He's a little like things aren't. He's not making great decisions in every moment of this episode, and it's because of the context within which this episode is set. So yeah, I totally agree with you. I think I think it's a fantastic performance and it's a one off. You never see the guy again, so it's just a really special and his you know, his acting child. I mean, like, I love these images. You're seeing all sorts of different like emotional aspects of the way that he expresses himself during the episode. Like you said, he's crying, sometimes he's angry, sometimes he's got his shit together. Sometimes it's really there's a lot of range here being shown.

1:04:11 And the little arrogant sometimes he thinks he knows what to do and he's gonna bully Spock and you know and everything. He's just very much I'm a commodore, I rank all you bastards. I'll do whatever I want, yep, until he realizes that that doesn't always fly. And it's just you know, what I like most about it is the character has been tremendously traumatized, right, and he's not afraid to show it, and he really it's raw. So it's incredible performance. And right up until the moment that he you know, does what he does, it's it's incredible. So I want to make sure we're mindful of everyone's time. So I'm going to just jump right ahead to my second choice for a great Star Trek performance, and that is a gentleman who actually appeared on Star Trek twice.

1:04:52 But I want to talk about his initial appearance during the first season of Star Trek, and that is the wonderful Morgan Woodward. Okay, in first season episode Dagger of the Mind, that's like the ninth episode of the first season, replaces doctor Simon van Gelder. I watched this uh performance just within the last year again, and it is it is amazing what this guy does. It is he seems so unhinged at first, right, I mean, he seems like somebody who's in the in the East. We found this guy from a you know, mental institution is where the starship's orbiting, well, a penal column, and they but for very disturbations.

1:05:33 Right. He seems so disturbed, like he can barely govern the thoughts and he just conveys complete anarchy as somebody who's just you know, really really unhinged, and you come to find out that this is, you know, one of the doctors at the institution who's had this terrible machine used on him to you know, mess with his identity and and whatnot. It's an incredible performance. And fine, I mean, they have to keep anesthetizing this guy. It keeps sedating him because he's so out of control and he's just like completely It's very compelling. If you've known anybody with behavioral health issues, who've ever been near medical settings that have behavioral health patients, it's incredibly realistic. It's very very disturbing.

1:06:22 He does a really great job here and finally, and it's just I love the way it ties in with the core crew Spock. It's one of the first examples we see a Spock doing the mind mild where helps him recover his identity and calm himself and help get to the truth through that contact. It's really really great and all of a sudden there's serenity and a sense of self and the he's come out of the forest rights. It's an incredible performance. He does an amazing job. That was Season one. We had to wait until season two to see Morgan Woodward again, but showed up in an episode gets a lot of grief, but I freaking love it the Omega Glory, right, it is such a fun episode.

1:07:05 I just love it. And you can see from his bearing here, right, Morgan Woodward used to get cast in westerns all the time, right, as you know, the the ranch owner who's you know, up to no good or the marshall who maybe has you know, taken money from someone he shouldn't have, right, I mean, he's a he could be a very threatening presence. Right. And if my friend Eric ever publishes his book on that, I'm hoping he will on the evil Admirals of Starfleet Academy or of Starfleet. You know, I'm pretty sure Captain Ronald Tracy will be in chapter one because he was one of the very first just out of control dudes. You gotta worry about the guys who have good intentions, as we see in our politics. Right. He thinks he's doing a good job, right, because he's another captain who lost his crew. Right, this plague happened where this is the one where they beam up on his ship, right and all they find are empty uniforms with like you know, salt dripping out of the sleeves, right, I mean they've all been crystallized, all the water has been taken out.

1:08:07 Come to find out, everyone on this planet is basically immortal, right, and he's desperate to figure it out. He wants to find out who, you know, how to take the lemonade the lemons of his crew dying and turn it into lemonade of immortality. But he's great. He's very threatening. He is willing to you know, gun somebody down and cold blood with a phaser right in front of you. He's not screwing around this guy, right. But it's a really great performance. Flawed human being. But you can't take your eyes off this guy, right, And you just can't. You're watching him the entire time. He's absolutely wonderful and an interesting counterpoint to his work as Ben Gelder in season one.

1:08:48 So to me, Morgan woodword, I salute you. You're a phenomenal performer. I mean, he's just absolutely great. Last one for me from an original series, This performance I think is just phenomenon. The absolutely astonishing William Marshall. Okay, and again this is you know, I keep going back to these classic episodes from the original series, just because i can watch them year in and year out, and I'm just like, it's like I'm seeing it again for the first time every single time. And I'm talking about the Ultimate Computer. Okay, season two towards the end of the run, and we finally get to meet the legendary doctor Richard Daystrom, right, who designed the computers on the Enterprise. Right. So he's an academic, he's a scientist. He's a guy who who really is a genius, right, who means well, and he has this idea of a benevolent future for things. And he's never been taken seriously in certain ways, and he's had to hide a lot and live through his work.

1:09:49 And just the way he has suppressed some of that, and the way that he is able to be blind to the parts of himself that he's let creep into the consciousness of the machines he's created is just amazing. And he's got some suppressed you know, megalomania in there, frankly. And when somebody threatens the M five, they're not just threatening him. He sees it as his child, right, and uh, and he really loses it and and he's you know, when all of the starships in the war game simulation are destroyed and all those hundreds of crewmen are killed, stays.

1:10:33 Trim's like, well, sorry, it's just but not sorry because M five is my computer and it's just he's it's it's a complex performance we have. Marshall went on to play Blacula, right, but I don't you shouldn't just think of him as blacular Is. He's such a strong actor. I mean that you could just see the theatrical stage trading and his performance. He's just remarkable. The thing that stands out for me about this episode is the delivery of some of his lines, especially when he starts getting really passionate. He'd like you just feel the force, the emotional force of his characters sort of coming to the foe, and that that to me like defines a great performance, right when you feel the emotion coming off the actor as they're saying the line. Because there's writing, but then there's like delivery of the lines.

1:11:24 That's like with you have good writing, but you got to have good delivery of the lines and otherwise it's meaningless. Yeah, he takes it to a whole another level. I mean as a writer, you're only really you know, sketching the blueprint of the character, right. It's the actor who really finds the character right and goes in there and elevates it to the next level, like you're saying. And he was just amazing. And I just think historically, you know, we talk a lot about Michelle Nichols right as being you know, one of the first, you know, black women in television, and I think this was really historic at the time to see, you know, here's a black actor portraying a brilliant civilistation changing academic scientist. I don't think we'd seen that a lot at this point in time.

1:12:06 And I think William Marshall, I suspect knew that. But what's so amazing about that is he didn't allow that historic impact to make him just paint the character as being purely good, right. He still was able to go in there and make him a flawed person, a whole human being who was you know, had issues and didn't you know, was willing to you know, make a rounded performance and play him as a damaged individual. I think that takes a lot of courage to do that, given the stakes of how that must have been perceived. At the time. So for me, my big three are all original series from the first and second season of Classic Star Trek. I just want to do really quickly one bonus though, just to prove to everybody that I'm not married completely the original series, because I love all of it.

1:12:54 But I want to just really quick give a huge shout out from one of the great two parters of the Next Generation, which I absolutely love, and that's the absolutely legendary David Warner, the absolutely spectacular Who in This Place? In the classic two part Chain of Command played one of the first really intense, you know, defining looks of the Cardassians we've ever seen. Goll Madrid, and we talk about how Star Trek can mirror life right, what we've seen right, and and this mirrored Abu Grabe. It mirrored all the different things that we've seen when forces of repressive authority have somebody under their control and and look to punish and hurt them for their for their goals.

1:13:42 At one point, Goal Madred is torturing John Luke Leccard and his daughter comes in like, oh, hi, daddy, is what are you still working? You know, basically, yes, my dear, I am. And he's all cheerful and friendly with his daughter, right, because it's like it's bring your daughter to work day at the guard Order, right, and it just it makes him a disturbing portrait of the normalcy of abuse, right. You know, I see four lights, but for him, it's like just very much about I'm well, he sees himself as like somebody who's a woodworker, right, And I'm not quite standing this wood down yet. I needed to look very smooth along these lines, and it's almost there, but I'm not quite there yet. And he's going to keep going until he's achieved his goal. So it's really disturbing.

1:14:30 There's his daughter coming in to visit him in the midst of all this horror, right that he's just you know, he goes. I want her to see it. I want her to see it. I don't want to hide it from her. I want her to know, right, because he believes so much in what he's doing so an incredible performance. It's one of the things I think this keeps me coming back to Star Trek in all of its iterations year after year for decades, is their devotion to great acting, to great performances and knowing that it's a place where you can see the craft of acting, you know, exhibited with such love. So big shout out to all those and I cannot wait to hear what everyone else is going to choose for their performances. Who's next? In the hopper? Gentlemen? So who's next?

1:15:15 Uh? Call of Jim? I mean, I I'll go if you'd like me to. It's the slideshow, right, David, Who's in the slideshow? Who's in the slideshow? I think that's that's what determines it. I think he's he's preset this, but I don't recall and have to go. Look, it looks like it is going to be Charles. Who's next? Charles? All right? Grab my notes. I had to go to the series that really got me started, really brought me back, I should say, And yeah, he's a bit of a reoccurring character, but I don't think they really plan on doing and reoccurring until they realized who they had. And that's a nod to John Delancy. John Delancy showed up in if we call Encounter two episodes two, three, four or five, six, seven, eight, nine episodes. He didn't show up in season five, but nine episodes in TNG and then several episodes a DS Deep Sace nine three from Voyager one from Lower Decks. But I found some quotes from fan wire that I just loved when I read them.

1:16:47 Up You was originally meant to be a serious, no nonsense antagonist, but John Delancey had a humor, sarcasm, and playful to make him unforgettable. Stortrik universe survives on serious diplomacy and high stakes based drama, but Q brought necessary chaos and comedy, making him a fan favorite. Without John Delancy's creative choices, K might have been a forgettable one note villain and said he became one of the most iconic characters in sci fi. Hugh wasn't there to there to antagonize the crew. He was there to entertain the audience.

1:17:35 His comic timing, his flair for dramatics, and his ability to poke fun at self serious nature of Starfleet made him a delight to watch. And yes, we mentioned Trelaine and there were questions was Trelaine the original QUE one of the original Q members, but we got to see him. He tried to share his powers with Riiker in Hide and Q. He gave us he changed next generation.

1:18:21 In Q, who. When he introduced us to the Borg. It's because of his work, because of that episode, that we got our big villains, the Borg. In the episode you see pop up right there Tapestry, we got to see him go back and change what was John looked behind for Card. If he went back in the path and change his past. We could see that power of changing somebody's past, and what would happen if they went through that new timeline and realized he was Ricard wasn't the person he wanted to be. I believe I've read that Patrick Stewart. It's Patrick Stewart or Wesley who said that's one of their favorite episodes is Tapestry because Tapestry just was an interesting look to looking at the past. Of course it brings this brings up from Cupid. One of our favorite lines from that episode, I am not a marry Man or Wharf, but we got to see them in Robin Hood. I think,

1:19:55 really John Delancey was a major major way of modeling and made fans truly enjoy Next Generation. And I love what they did with Q and I think John Delancey just brought us to a great character. I might debate on the argument of c being a villain. Q is Q. He's not really a villain. He sees it, he sees things on his way. We even got to see what happened in DEJACQUESQ when Q was banished and offered to sacrifice himself to save the crew. So when I sat there and did this, it's like, Okay, we kind of left Q hanging. So who's my second person on my list?

1:20:57 John Delancy? This time I'm going to bring him in two pericard. We got to see a different queue, a queue that admitted he was dying and so but Hugh's got his last deals of trying to help Humanity, and I hope David got the slideshow sliding so I can see more scenes. But we got to see the fact of him getting a chance of moving us moving into different places. We got to see a little bit of the future that we weren't expecting to see and moving into the direction. But we also got to see a queue where we got to see a finale instead of where everything where Que. He still left the episode. He still left all good things and said, well there's still a future coming around. Humanity's still on trial. Well, this was his finale in trying to get the in humanity on trial, and we got to see him on eight episodes in Bricard in season two. But I think what we weren't expecting was the finale, and well we thought Q saying goodbye and the hug that the Bricard would

1:22:32 give Q because they still they still had some connections and really caring about Q. And of course it's this. We thought, okay, this was going to be the end, and then who shows up At the last scene in Ricard's season three. Q shows up again, this time talking to Beverly's son and leave us hanging and wondering could Q show up again? Really showing what a character and what a power John Delancey was for Star Trek. I'm really happy with what they did with him. Then I kind of looked at like, Okay, I know some people will go with TNG. I want to get something a little more current. Okay, let me go look who Discovery.

1:23:36 Who was somebody big in Discovery? Oh oh, one of my favorite characters, Rain Wilson Hardcourt Feton Mud, the villain we hated in cos. Finely seeing him. So, I hear somebody wants to talk about the other Hairy Mud, But I want to talk about the new Harry Mud. He comes in talking about Escape Artist. We got to see him in a short Trek, but I actually got the maut of order. We first actually see him in Discovery Choose your Own Pain, and what we kind of suddenly realized he was a bit of a interesting character showing up. He was willing to sacrifice anybody to survive and yet knowing that he was caught in that prison, in that duk Lingon prison and what occurred with that in trying to deal with the characters that we're in that prison. Then the episode that I know many people didn't like but I thoroughly enjoyed Magic to

1:25:12 make the sanest Man go mad. We got to see space Whales. Yes, it was a reoccurrence of an episode that was being played over and over and over, Harry Mudd trying to decide how many times he can kill somebody and them finally figuring out the best way to stop him is to bring Stella around. It's nice to see that. And then of course he reappeared in Short Treks the Escape Artist. And interesting is that the Rain Wilson actually directed that episode as well as starring in it.

1:26:09 So I've got to see him, we do some good work with it. And speed up. I think I will stop there and we can work on to our next person. Okay, Eric, you're next to the slide show. All right? Uh yeah. I have three characters that I really want to talk about here. The very first is Roger C. Carmel. So he was the original Harry Mudd, same character as Charles was just talking about. To me, this actor define this character. I mean, you have somebody who is a prototypical rogue, scoundrel, petty thief, an outrageous liar, a brazen con man. He's got a rap sheet, right, and this is the first time in Star Trek that we see somebody with a rap sheet. And to me, this actor defined this character. You see his personality come through, you see his emotion come through through these images. You'll kind of see lots of different facial expressions represented during this time. So he only shows up in three episodes of Star Trek, two episodes of the original series, and one episode of the animated series. He actually was uncredited for his voicing of that character from the animated series, but obviously it was the same guy, and Roger C.

1:27:33 Carmel is such a great actor. Not only did he grace the animals of Star Trek, he was a huge part of another franchise that I completely love, Transformers. He was in the original Transformers movie. He eventually went on to voice the Decepticon Cyclonists in the Transformers animated series later years. In nineteen eighty six, he just, to me showed us what a real a person who was outside of what Gene Roddenberry's vision for what humanity should be in the future could be. Right.

1:28:13 Gene Roddenberry showed us that humanity was beyond things like monetary gain, was beyond things like self gratification. And yet we still have characters like Harry Mud showing up in the original series. So I just want to really give a huge shout out to Roger C. Carmel for being the very first person to represent this character. And honestly, I think these two episodes of the original series that he's in, MUD's Women and I Mud our great episodes. I think they're fun. We were just talking about fun in strange new worlds and how Star Trek can bring the fun. I think these are two of the funnest episodes of the original series, particularly I Mud, I like quite a bit the whole Android situation going on there.

1:29:02 So my first character, or my first actor, is Roger Carmel portraying Harry Mud, and I just really appreciate Oh yeah, and David's slideshow here is reminding me that he also then shows up a little bit later in some of the Star Trek comics from both DC and Marvel, they both did stories involving Harry Mud because he's just fantastic character. I mean, how many other characters can you think of that only show up in two or three episodes of Star Trek who literally become fan favorites straight away. Not very many. So Roger c. Carmel, thank you so much for your contributions to Star Trek.

1:29:43 I'm going to move on to my second character, slash actor. My second actor comes from one of my favorite episodes of Deep Space nine ever. If you haven't seen season one, episode nineteen, it's called Duet, you need to stop what you're doing and go and watch that episode right now. This is one of the best episodes of DS nine ever of all time. Harris Eulen plays a Cardassian who originally comes on board Deep Space nine claiming that he well he has Calenorra syndrome, which is this syndrome that you can only contract if you were in this one place at this one time, and it happens to be on a labor camp on Beijor during the occupation. And what you come to find out during this episode spoiler alert, So if you want to go watch it and not know what's going on, like shut the podcast off now and come back to it. But what you find out is that this character originally comes on Deep Space nine purporting to be simply a file clerk that happened to be present during the Kardassian occupation, who then is revealed to be the butcher of Galatep, the guy who literally perpetrated atrocities against the Bajoran population, who then you find

1:31:14 out later is actually the file clerk who's trying to atone with himself for all of those atrocities that happened on Bejor. Harris Yulen goes through every single range of emotion in this episode. He's sad, he's happy, he's brazen, he's curling in a corner. His facial expressions are fantastic. The way he delivers lines are fantastic. The writing in this episode is unparalleled in my opinion, and the way that he just brings life to this character is just something really really special, and for a character who only shows up in a single episode, for me, this is the guy that does more than anybody else in any episode to bring life to this character and to bring life to the fantastic writing represented in this episode. Every summer, I attend a summer in arts summer camp and I run a workshop called Trek Skits, And what we do is we read condensed versions of scripts of Star Trek and then we sit and we talk about them for a while. And I did duet last summer, and I will tell you that I had about fifty to fifty Star Trek fans and non Star Trek fans in my group.

1:32:42 We read a ten minute version of this script and we talked about it for an hour and a half. That's how good this episode is. And Harris Yulen's portrayal of Aman Maritza Slash goldar Heel is just for me, one of the best things that I've ever seen on Star Treks. So if you're not a Deep Space nine fan, or if you haven't seen this episode for a while, please go and watch season one episode nineteen called Duet. It's really like Stellar, It's just I can't say much more about it. And then, last, but not least, I want to bring up a character who appears in fourteen episodes of Deep Space nine, but for me is the best star Trek villain of all time. We have Luise excuse me, Louise Fletcher playing i win Adami, and you know who she is, right she becomes the Bajoran religious leader on Deep Space nine, grabs people by the ear, calls them my child. First of all, let's just talk about Louise Fletcher in general. I mean, she's one of the best actresses of all time. She's known as playing Nurse Ratchet in the original one Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest, which is the the fifth most popular villain of all time, as rated by the American Film Society. So you know, she's got chops. And when they bring her into this role,

1:34:14 she portrays a character who is ambitious, she's petty, she's jealous, she's facetious, she's condescending. I mean, for me, a truly, truly great villain is one who is identifiable in their motives and goals. You can see where they think they're the good guy and yet they continue to do horrible things in the name of what they believe. And for me, Kaiwen Adami is the character on Deep Space nine who, more than Golducott, more than Goldemar, more than a lot of these other characters, reflects what we see so much of in today's modern society, which is people who tell you one thing to your face and then do another thing behind your back. She just is like the perfect kind of version of that type of villain. Every time you see her, you hate her. And to me, if you hate the villain every single time you see them, then that's a great villain. That's not to say that she doesn't have a great art, because she kind of starts out there, and then throughout the seven seasons of Deep Space nine, she eventually kind of makes her way into this situation with goldu Cott and that sort of

1:35:46 stuff where you see the way that he starts to take advantage of her as a result of her own hubris and her own way of thinking that she's right all the time. So I could watch Louise Fletcher a million times in these Deep Space nine episodes, and I just can't say enough about how fantastic I think she is in this role. For me, Kaiwin Adami is the best Star Trek villain out there, and the fact that she has that kind of impact over only fourteen episodes of Star Trek in general is amazing to me. So there you go, guys, that those are my three choices.

1:36:28 We've got the comedic guy Robert Roger C. Carmel playing Harry Mudd. We've got Harris Yulin playing his dual role there of Amon Maritza and Goldark Heel, and then we have Louise Fletcher playing thy Win Adami. All right, and I guess we're gonna jump in with David next, right, all right, so. Let me quickly get this open. I am going to be talking about the great Jeffrey Combs. This guy is pretty amazing with all the different roles that he ended up doing, and I actually enjoyed a lot of his acting all the way from Enterprise to dBase nine down the Voyager. I think those role the okayse she did the lower decks and so yeah, I enjoyed watching this guy play the roles that he did. And sorry I forgot to put this in slide show. Then h Yeah, so, you know, he did a lot of different work throughout Star Trek and I, uh, I enjoyed what he had done to the different characters that he played. He played Ran from you can see here the Enterprise, she played the voice of the computer. I'm gonna go kind of fast with THEE because we'll kind of went at a time.

1:38:00 But he also did run Fungi from Deep Base nine and yeah, so he just did a lot of different acting roles and he to me, I, I love the way his voice sounds. I like the way he delivered his lines as well, and he's just he's got this. He really digs into the characters that he played and one of them is different, which is, in my opinion, a really great uh way to know that these kind of guys are great actors who portray different characters. And you know, he played the Clone on Deep Base nine, and yeah, I really enjoyed this titular character because he he just brought a lot of flavor out the Star Trek and I really appreciate that what he had bought made it very enjoyable. So yeah, that's what I got for him. And my next slide is going to be side Jem but ided up picking a cleanon. So we're gonna talk about Christopher Lloyd. Christopher Lloyd did a really interesting role played as a cleanup. I've never actually thought he would play a cleanon at all. I couldn't really picture him as a clean on, but he surprised me.

1:39:18 He actually did a really good job as playing I should have looked it up, but I forgot his character's name. Crude. There there you go, yep, Crude. And he's the one responsible for trapping basically the entire Enterprise crew on the planet, the Genesis planet. This was I believe the episode that took place. Before con woild it. No, this is Start Trek three. This happened okay after. That's right, Yeah, okay, that's yes, that's right. The Genesis blew up and the planet would created and everything the planet starting to fall apart. He did a very good job of.

1:40:05 His acting. He played a really good clean on. I Like I said, I never would have thought he would have done any type of role like this if he would have played on Star Trek. For some other reason, I kept picturing him in some sort of like science field of some sort, like you know, a gentle alien or something. But yeah, he just he did a phenomenal role. And of course we all know him from Back to the Future and that was I think the very first movie I ever saw him play in. But yeah, he did a pretty good job. I like what he did. And my last one, I picked this one particularly mainly because I enjoyed his character of what he had played on in Star Treking Price and I'm talking about Dean Stockwell, he did a pretty good job at playing Commander.

1:41:01 Grat I believe his name was, and he. He did a really good job in my opinion, as how he delivered his lines and the way that he delivered them was to me in a very emotional way because of the current situation that was going on. You know, he was in charge of keeping track of all the subbands that would come through the whole plant, the whole war thing that they had going on with the cabal, and I liked the way that this particular episode played where it lined up with what was going on with the Shoeban Chavilions like this was a lot. It reminds me a lot of the George k situation. If anybody hadn't written to read his book yet about his time in an encampment. I just could imagine what the shoot Bonds would have been going through at this particulation particular type of event, because what they had to go through and endure is pretty much exact same thing in my opinion, that George Kaik went through excuse me, and yeah, so he he did a phenomenal job at keeping the character alive and trying to figure out who the the cabal were caball and of course if nobody really knows but

1:42:33 Dean Talk were also played in a very interesting TV show with Jonathan Usher here called Just Rocked The thought of. It, want to wait? There you go? Yeah, so they did a really good job at acting on each other, like I, you know, just being able to because they're probably used to playing together so well that's probably how they were able to bound their lines off of each other. But dank stalkwell I really thought he did a phenomenal job and the role that he was meant to play for. So yep, and that's all I got for me. So I guess Jim you're gonna be next.

1:43:16 All right, Well, this is going to be no surprise to you guys. I picked The Klingon as my first guy, and we're gonna go with John Kolikos, and there he is right there. He established himself as a sci fi villain, portraying the first ever Klingon scene on Star Trek Commander Corp in the original series episode Aaron of Mercy, and there he Is. He would also appear on as one hundred and forty year old Klingon, showing up in three episodes of Star Trek Deep Space nine, blood Oath, sworda Kles and once more Onto the Breach. But I want to talk about him here in Aeron a Mercy. I think that he really choose up the scenes that he's in, really good with Kirk and and I think he sets the tone for what a Klingon really is. He's menacing, he's evil in the fact that he's not afraid to kill hundreds of Arganians. Of course he doesn't know that they're actually light bulbs, but he's willing to kill, you know, hundreds of them to get to Kirk and Spock. He's going to put Spock in the mind rifter. I mean, he's just basically a bad guy, and he sets the tone for all Klingons that we will see. Of course, when he comes back on Deep Space nine a little bit later. He's a slightly different character. He's partying with the women at Quarks, he's drinking the blood wine, he's hanging out in the Holid deck, and he dies as a hero. So that was my first choice was John Colicos as Commander Corp, and you're not going to be

1:44:51 too surprised. My next pick another klingon there. He is Patrick Massett, who played Dross and Sins of the Father and Reunion. I think that anybody that can only appear in two episodes and make you hate him that much and have such an impact on Star Trek, people think that Duros was in a lot more episodes than he really was because his influence just just bleeds all through TNG, and in reality he was only in two episodes, and when Warf kills him in Reunion, you're actually happy because he plays such a great bad guy and I loved the way he died. So that's my second pick is Patrick Massett as Duross. And my final choice we're gonna jump up to Discovery. Now we're gonna go to Mary Chiffa, who played Laurel, and in particular, I want to talk about her performance and Point of Light. That's where she's on Quonos and she's the Chancellor of the High Council and she's introducing the D seven and she's talking with the council and she makes her in passing speech about you will call me mother, and then she pulls out the head of her dead baby and the head of ash Tyler, throws him off the volcano and basically establishes

1:46:22 the fact that the Klingon Empire is now under her control. And if you don't do what I say and you don't fall in line, your head could be next. So Mary Chiefo has Laurel, and I hope that we see her, although it doesn't look like we will on Strange New Worlds because I think she she played Laurel absolutely spectacular, and that wraps up my choices. And we have to jump into Star Trek Birthdays real quick. So we're gonna We're gonna do that right now, and and we're going to have Eric dive right in. We always start off our Star Trek birthdays by remembering those members of our Star Trek family who went all longer with us. Eric take it away.

1:47:09 Yeah, Our first remembrance this week is actress Annie Wershing, the American actress who played Leana in Star Trek Enterprises first season episode of Oasis, and then later on would be brought back to portray the Bored Queen in the second season episode of Star Trek Picard Fantastic performances. Both lost at too young of an age back in twenty twenty three the age of forty five years old to cancer. Happy Birthday, Annie Worshing, Happy Birthday, as well to Ron Norman Soble, the actor who played Wyatt Irp in the original series third season episode Specter of the Gun. Lots of cool stuff on this guy's resume, including co starring and True Gri Grit with John Wayne. Lots of cool stuff, Go check him out. Ron Soble would have had a birthday on March twenty eighth. He was born in nineteen twenty eight. Lost in two thousand to Happy Birthday, Ron, Happy Birthday, as well to Ray Norman, the actress who played Penny moroc in the Next Generation six season episode Tapestry.

1:48:24 She of course appeared in nineteen ninety one's True Colors, and her most recent film work was in the drama Five Nights in Hollywood from two thousand and nine was Entails from the Crypt and a couple of other really cool things along the way. Ray Norman lost back in twenty twenty. Born in nineteen fifty eight, she was sixty two years old when we lost her. Happy Birthday to her Happy Birthday as well to Sharon Acker, the Canadian actress who portrayed Odonna in the original series third season episode The Mark of Gideon. She was a regular soap opera actress in a executive Suite from nineteen seventy six to nineteen seventy seven, and had a couple of other credits to her name along the way, including starring in nineteen sixty seven's point Blank Happy Birthday to Sharon Acker, and last but not least, on our remembrance list, we say Happy Birthday to actress Grace Lee Whitney to actor, excuse me, Grace Lee Whitney, the American, I said, actress actress to portrayed our very first iteration of Yeoman Janice Rand from the original series. You know, it's hard to believe that she was only in eight episodes of the original series. She was actually originally planned to be a long standing character who appeared over and over again, but we just got a little bit of a taste of her, and as she was written out of the series. Later Roddenberry would say that her dismissal was the dumbest mistake

1:49:57 he ever made. So we sure we that we would have gotten some more Janis Rand along the way. But happy birthday to Grace Lee Whitney lost back in twenty fifteen at the age of eighty five years old. And that does it for our remembrances this week. Guys, Actually, Eric, can you go back and do Bob Hoy. Sure did I miss one? Yes? Yes, sure, Robert F. Hoy, I do not have notes on him, but would have had a birthday this week as well, So Happy birthday to Bob Hoy. Stuntman actor who portrayed the original first season episode Devil in the Dark. Okay, happy birthday to Ray Reinhart, you played Admiral Aaron in TG's first season episode Conspiracy and Professor Tolan Wrenn and Voyagers first season episode host Facto definitely not one of our favorite admirals. Happy birthday to Martinlee MacLean, actress who played Menzattai in several episodes of Star Trek Voyager Happy Birthday to Dan C. Kingsley, who played the role of Arianne in the first season episode of Haven. Happy Birthday to Jenna Hupp, actress who appeared

1:51:33 in two episodes of TNG. You first portrayed pa Though in the first fourth season episode Galaxy's Child, and returned to Monroe in the fifth season episode of Disaster. Happy Birthday to Jessea Collins, actress had played Lennis Paris in Voyagers thursdayson episode Before and After, and last on my List, Happy Birthday Jacqueline Kim, actress who played ensin Demorris, Sulu and Star Trek Generations. Oh who's on your birthday list?

1:52:16 Thank you, Charles. First of all, let's say happy birthday to Melvin says our Belly, the young man in this particular episode there who went on to become a professional attorney, but was actually at one time a child actor who played Steve O'Connell in the original series episode And the Children Shall Lead. If that name sounds familiar, it's because his father, Melvin Belli, was the legendary attorney who and sometimes actor who played the evil Angel in that same episode. So we got two Melvin bellyes going on and the children shall lead. This is the birthday of the younger of the two. Happy birthday goes out to phenomenally cool Adrian Holmes, the actor who plays Admiral Robert April on Star Trek Strange New Worlds. Always cool when we see a April come on the scene and hopefully more coming up in season three. Happy birthday to Sam Anderson, who played the assistant manager of the hotel in the Next Generation second season episode The Royal. That is not him on this screen, that is Adrian Holmes. So there we are, there you are, sir. Yeah, great character actress Sam Anderson always plays that kind of nervous, kind of caught off guard kind of character there, but very cool. Great to see him their Happy birthday, Sam Anderson. And of course, keeping that Next Generation love going on, we have the absolutely lovely English American actress Marina Cyrtus, who we all know, of course for best known for playing Council of Deanna Troy on Next Gen. She later embodied the character in

1:53:50 Star Trek Films as well as Voyager the series finale of Enterprise Lower Decks and I think very memorably coming back again to play Deanna try on the final season of Star Trek Beguard. So yeah, I've done a lot of great work on there. I think it's really great to see what she did with that character. You watched the first season episodes of Deanna Troy and Man, they did not give her much to work with, but she hung in there and she built the character up to be a interesting human being and a real great flair for comedy as well. So Marina Serratus, we salute you, and let's pass that over to Uncle Jim around us. Out absolutely, thank you so much. Paul. My first birthday goes out to an actress who was in Star Trek Beyond, and I don't see her up on the screen.

1:54:41 There there not there. She is Sophia Boutella, who played Jayla in Star Trek Beyond. I think she's one of the highlights of that movie. Loved her character and she's been in some great stuff as well. Happy birthday to Sophia Butella and I always say the Klingons for last and scenes to how I picked Duras as one of my favorites. We want to say happy birthday to Rick Piscloni, who played Trol, the son of Duras and Star Trek Deep Space nine's episode Sword of Kless, which brings me to the question of should Wharf had killed him when he had the chance? I don't know, maybe that'll be a future poll question.

1:55:23 And that wraps up our birthdays, guys, and we don't have a lot of time here, so we're gonna jump right to one of our new stories that we're gonna have Paul do, and that is our Nacelle has released some whole new images of their line Phase two, and Paul, we're gonna let you jump right in and David slide show ready for you. Let's jump in there, fellas and talk about it because Nassell's really kind of blew everyone's mind with that first wave that they had, right, I mean, just nuts, going deep to the bench and picking characters you might not expect to be part of an action figure line. And they just teased the second wave and it's pretty wild and we might need to get all of them. So Nasceell Toy Company is showing more of their upcoming excellent Star Trek toys and they've broken away from the very strange history and are now delivering figures on a level that fans have been asking for for a long long long time. At a panel at this weekend's wonder Con down in Anaheim, California, the head of the toy company, Brian Volkweiss, was actually there with our guest Nicholas Meyer, director of Rathla Khan and Star Trek six The Undiscovered Country.

1:56:36 Very cool to have that level of massive enthusiasm there. And here's what they've got. First of all, they've showed us these great images of Captain Kirk has seen from his appearance in Star Trek Generations. Holy moly, he not only comes with the jar of Dill Whedon and acts in a shopping block, but a whole full sized horse. It's crazy. I mean, it's really elaborate. They really are making a name for themselves by going uh, heavy, heavy heavy with the deep cut character choices, but also with the accessories. Really amazing. Uh, mister Weiss, please come on our show and talk to us about it. We would absolutely love to talk about these with you, But here we go. Second season second wave excuse me of figures includes Captain Catherine Janeway from the Voyager episode Year of Hell. Okay, We're you know, basically, I guess would you call it ripped Janeway?

1:57:28 Eric is that fair. I think with the you know, the sleeveless looks that you try to kick your ass, I would say for sure, absolutely, yeah, definitely. We've got a Star Trek Deep Space nine character, a nog from later on in the run when he's in his uh there we go where he's in his uniform, Captain Janeway. I like that look on you. Yeah, it looks looking pretty cool there to Paul from Star Trek Enterprise, which is great. We've seen Paul characters before that were a bit you know, earlier in the technology of the ex Figure Kingdom, so having a little bit more appropriately sculpted to Paul would be quite lovely. I think that would be great. And then we've got Valerius, which is great from speaking of Star Trek six from the Undiscovered Country.

1:58:14 That is really cool. So very excited to see what she comes with. As far as accessories, I could not be happy about this next one. Mark Lenard is the Romulin Commander. We were talking about him earlier the night in the poll and wow, legit, after all these years Romulin commander figure. That's pretty amazing. Very excited about that. Carol Marcus from Wrath of Khan, so we had a lot of wrath of Khan love on there, which I think explains Nicholas Myers being on that panel, which is great. Carol Marcus super cool love interest and mother of David Marcus, which is great. And then we have a couple of interesting cuts from Generations again where we actually have two sailor uniform versions of Next Generation crew. We have both Wharf in his sailor uniform and we have Jordi LaForge in his sailor uniform from Generations. So see, we're going all over the place with our love here for the various aspects of Star Trek, but none of them is as deep a cut as this one. All right, we are basically getting an animated series character Bem from that right who was I don't even know if he was credited, but James Dewin did the voice of Bem on that episode.

1:59:25 This one must disassemble, very poignant, and I still remember that. So the fact that they're doing animated series characters cub blam, oh my mind is blown. Really amazing and super deep cut there from Nacelle God. I'd love to have someone ideally very vocal president of the company, Brian vote Weiss, come on, our show and talked to us about all these characters and maybe reveal some more things. But they're really going crazy. And the fact that they're showing us Wave two of ten entire new characters right on the heels of Wave one, which haven't even come out yet we went up from re order pretty is astonishing. I mean it really is. They really seem to be going guns blazing, So Brian volkweise really amazing. Please count our show.

2:00:10 We would love to be able to discuss more of these and salute you for your daring choices, sir, so very cool. Who's got our next news story tonight? Uncle Jim, what do you want to go with? Well, I think we're going to have to wrap things up at this point. It's just about nine point thirty. I just wanted to squeeze that one in because that one. I did just for you. Well, thank you, sir, I appreciate what that. I wanted to make sure enthusiasm getting kindled, so you're very kind. Yeah, I want to. Get a little late started with today. We had a lot of crazy technical stuff there to start, got us a little delayed, and we all got very excited about strange new worlds so a lot to say this week. Yep, that's not a problem at all. We'll just bump these stories up to next week. They're not really time sensitive to begin with. All right, guys, Well, that wraps up our podcast. Next week we're going to be talking about Strange and Not Strange the Worlds Lower Decks, the comic book series from IDW issues number two and three on Comic Corner. So I'm your most excellent host, Uncle Jim, and I want to say thank you so much to David for hanging out with us tonight and all the technical difficulties he made it through. Thank you, David, You're welcome.

2:01:16 That was getting a little frustrated. I thought I had to bow out tonight, but I made it. I came back. He made it. And thank you so much to Paul for hanging out in trek talking with us as well. Thank you, Paul. There's a lot of news this week, a lot of stuff going on, and it was really fun to talk about acting and get in here and delve into the craft of the performance a bit, so really fun. Thanks for humoring me with that idea, guys, And I'm glad we were able to pull it together. I thought it was very interesting. I'd love to hear everyone's variety of choices. Very cool. And David did an excellent job with the slide shows. Even though we had some technical difficulties, he pulled it off. He's a miracle worker for sure. And thank you so much to Eric for hanging out in Trek talking with us tonight. Thank you so much, Eric, You beg guys.

2:01:59 Thanks and of course thank you to Charles for hanging out with us as well. Palm trees swaying in the background. Thank you Charles, and thank. You Jim, and thank you all the hosts for an interesting conversation. I'm your excellent host, Uncle Jim saying that hailing frequencies are closed. Star Trek fans are the best fans. You better believe that. Please, everybody, stay safe and be good to each other. Good night, good night, long and prosper peace out. Ready for the parture shore. Some problem? RCA just hoping this isn't the usual way of missions will go.

2:02:41 Said, Oh, no, number one, I'm sure it most will be much more interesting. Let's see what's out there Than