June 7, 2025

Black Mirror - USS Callister and USS Callister Into Infinity review

Black Mirror - USS Callister and USS Callister Into Infinity review
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In this episode of Trek Talking, Uncle Jim and the hosts introduce themselves and discuss their backgrounds, highlighting the importance of community engagement. They analyze various Star Trek episodes, including USS Callister and Deep Space Nine, while conducting polls to gauge listener opinions on character actions. The conversation delves into cultural implications, moral dilemmas, and the evolution of terms like 'woke', concluding with a discussion on the implications of Odo's infection. The conversation delves into the ethical implications of Section 31 in Star Trek, exploring its origins and moral dilemmas. It transitions into a discussion about the Black Mirror episode 'USS Callister,' analyzing its themes of virtual reality, power dynamics, and character development. The participants reflect on the dark humor and cultural references within the episode, drawing parallels to other works and the broader implications of technology on humanity. The conversation delves into the themes of sentience, identity, and ethical dilemmas presented in the series, particularly focusing on the implications of cloning and digital existence. The participants explore character development, the intersection of gaming and reality, and the nature of power and corruption, culminating in a discussion about the potential for future episodes and the complexities of storytelling in this universe. The conversation delves into the interplay of humor and dark themes in storytelling, particularly in shows like Black Mirror and Star Trek. The participants discuss character dynamics, collectibles, and the implications of immortality on consciousness. They also celebrate notable birthdays within the Star Trek community, reflecting on the contributions of various actors and their roles in the franchise.

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to get up your phone down, talk about the series

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coming to you?

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Show?

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Nothing about this series? Tell me that.

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Well, good evening, Trekkies and trek is around the globe.

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It's Thursday, June fifth, twenty twenty five. Welcome to Trek

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Talking and Beyond, episode number six hundred and thirty nine.

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I don't know if you guys noticed or not, but

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David did some of his digital magic. And when Paul

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snapped his finger as q V appeared above his head,

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did you guys catch that?

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Yes?

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I did, the one that I had made with that

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lower dex generator.

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Yup, Paul, I.

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Worked on that yes to try to get that in there,

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and I just wanted to point out that, you know,

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Paul snapped his fingers and you appeared.

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So thank you so much.

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That was.

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So I'm your most excellent host, Uncle Jim. Welcome to

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the show. And before we get too far, I want

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to introduce my awesome tre experts and we'll start off

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with V. She's our latest edition. Welcome to the podcast. V.

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She's on Virginia and I loved I love the MLB

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motif that you have going on there.

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The Niners, the opposition.

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We shall crush them.

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I think he said we will destroy them, but.

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Still crushing, destroy.

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Them, destroying the same thing.

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Especially for war. Could you imagine war playing baseball? My god,

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he hit a home run every single time. Incredible And

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from Portland we have Eric.

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How you doing tonight?

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Eric, I'm doing pretty good. It's been a busy, busy day,

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but I I'm excited to be here. And I think

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Wharf might hit a home run every time, but then

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he would also be one of those power hitters that

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constantly strikes out, and when he does, he would like

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break the bat over his knee and throw it at

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somebody and potentially caused some major damage.

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Or beat the picture to death to death.

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I mean he's not he doesn't really beat people to death,

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but he would absolutely beat inanimate objects to death.

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Punch a hole.

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Yeah, I think it was.

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I think it was. Actually it was actually Rom that

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heard everybody. It's like, look behind me before I swing

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the bat because he bashes uh quirk in the head.

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That's right. It was m.

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Yep, which, ironically, Max Max grodin Chick in real life

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was going to be a baseball player and he had

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to pretend like he couldn't throw or do anything. It

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was really kind of cool.

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Hello.

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Yeah, And also from Portland, we have our very own

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toy guy himself, Paul.

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How you doing, Paul?

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Ohy MATI I am doing well. It's been an interesting week,

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a lot of stuff going on, but it's a good week.

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I think I think things are faring well.

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Yes, I would agree. And not from Portland. From Las Vegas,

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we have our.

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Very own Charles. How you doing tonight? Charles?

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I'm doing good. Hanging out in the studio A because

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the palm trees might be swaying, the palm trees might

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be getting wet, so sayer inside.

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We broke ninety today for the first time, which is

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very odd up here in Vermont, and it's raining like crazy.

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And also we're gonna swing back to Portland and hopefully

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David can hear us, and he's our miracle worker.

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Welcome to the show, David.

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I can totally hear you, guys.

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I'm doing good.

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It's been kind of an interesting week, but iving you

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know of Game of Live show.

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That's all you can do. If you guys missed our

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special show on Monday, Man Bruce Horrick was incredible and Eric,

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he loved your theme song.

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Awesome.

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He he was dancing to the theme song and singing

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along and I punt, I kid you not. And David

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is going to make up a special Trek Talking Dancing

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Hemmer video with with him, and I'm going to use

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that to promote the podcast on other sites because he

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was singing along, he was dancing, he loved it, so

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I wanted to pass that along to you. And next

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week we're gonna be talking to Alex Steel, who played

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f eight Uh in Star Trek Picard's first season episodes

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Maps and Legends and He also played Harvey and Unit

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three three five in the second season episodes Stargazer and Pennance,

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and he was also in.

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The short Treks episode. What was the name of that episode?

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I should have beten it anyways.

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Yeah, so he played all the Synth units that we

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saw on Picards season two and he will be with us.

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So you guys want to find out about Synth about

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destroying everything that we know, you definitely want to tune

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in for Alex deal. It's going to be a lot

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of fun. Children of Mars, that's it. Children of Mars.

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Yep.

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You guys can head over to trek Talking dot com

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which Charles runs for us, and you can become a

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at trek Talking, so check that out. You'll find some

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great videos over there. And that's all the cleaning I

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need to do for tonight. On tonight's show, we're gonna

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go way way back and talk about Netflix Black Mirror

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episode Uss Callister, which we talked about four years ago

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when it premiered. We're gonna touch on that one tonight,

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but mostly we're going to be talking about the new

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one Into Infinity. We also have our Fans shout outs,

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where we thank fans just like you around the globe

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for listening to our podcast. We also have a Star

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Trek Polls section thirty one. I wonder what they're up

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to and General Martok's wife gets in a fight with Dax.

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I wonder who wins that one. You'll have to hang

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around to find out. You can also find out who

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you share a Star Trek birthday with on our Star

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Trek Birthdays and we have some great Star Trek news

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what's going on around the universe with Space Camp upcoming, IDW, Redshirts,

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comic books, and Shatner says, what, So, we got a

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lot planned for you guys tonight, But before we go

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too far, let's dive into our fans shout outs, and

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for that we turn to Eric.

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Take it away, Eric, Yeah, Jim.

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This week we're gonna send our first fan shout out

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up north, up to ont Canada, and we're going to

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say live long and prosper to our good friends Steve Krawl. Steve,

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thank you so much for supporting our podcast. I will

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tell you that I love Ontario in particular. That wonderful

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city of Toronto is something else. It's the New York

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of the North. And we just really appreciate all of

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our brothers and sisters north of the border, regardless of

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what our president says. Thank you as well to Rick

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Flintes for saying hello to us. You are retired in Panama.

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What are you in like Eden? I guess that's what

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it sounds like.

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Rick.

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Sounds like you're living the dream there, buddy, So it

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sounds like you are living long and prospering. Good for you,

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and thanks for listening to our podcast and continuing to

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support it. We really appreciate that. Also saying hello this

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week to Zielif Madradista, who's saying hello to us from

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Duisberg in Germany, sending us not one, not two, but

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three Live long and prosper hands and that was enough

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to catch Jim's attention. So thank you, Zealif so much.

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For supporting our podcast and saying hello to us right

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there in the center of Europe. You're holding it down.

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We really appreciate that. And last but not least, like

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to say hello this week to bea Sukas who's saying

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hello to us from Pitch Hungry and despite the fact

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that you only send us one livelong and prosper you

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still manage to get Jim's attention. Bea thank you so

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much for saying hello to us. And I'm going to

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pass this shout out and megaphone over to Charles.

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Okay, thank you Eric. Let's start off for the warm.

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Welcome to Jerry row from Indiana, who's a top fan,

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So welcome Jerry. Welcome Joey Denis from Florida. I wonder

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which part of Florida you're in, hopefully not the what part.

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Welcome to Mary Harmon from Texas. Welcome Mary, Hope it's

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not getting too hot in Texas already. And Welcome to

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Roy Scott Baker Becker from Durham, North Carolina. Welcome Roy V.

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Who's on your list.

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I have Davida Lynn Pepper also from Texas. And then

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Roger Clark, Hey, he's from your neck of the Woods

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from Oregon, and let's see Adam Cortes in Michigan. And last,

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but certainly not least, Jerry b Lee, who gives us

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a livelong and prosper hand from Kentucky.

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Thanks me. We got all kinds of folks phoning in

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from all over the globe here. First of all, we're

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going to go over to the UK and we're going

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to say hello to David Wilson Croft. He says, you all,

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live long and prosperous. Bockwards say with hand salute, and

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David is just firing off the emojis here, like shrap,

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I'm seeing a lot of weightlifting, bodybuilding motifs. I'm seeing

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what looks like a guinea pig or an owl. I

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can't really tell. I'm seeing every emoji. It's it's, it's, it's,

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it's like a it's like a hailstorm of emojis. David

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Wolson Craft, so excellent way to way to get Uncle

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Jim's attention. Dane Easy, so great deal for you on

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and I always nice to hear from a fellow British citizen.

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Wink wink so. And speaking of England, let's say hello

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to Lisa Bateman from Nottingham share in the UK simple

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singular union Jack Billowy in the wind. That's the only

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emoji that Lisa needs. So thank you, Lisa. I love it,

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love it great to know that if I ever have

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to move over to the UK, which could happen, that

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I'll still have some Star Trek France, I can rowbelbows

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with which istastic. And you also might find yourself in

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Germany with Ingo Dumbo in ryan Land Flats Ryland false. Sorry,

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I'm like a larger font this evening clearly or you know,

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we'll see. Well, we're not quite there yet, Eric, so

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almost sir, but not quite there yet. And then it's

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completely orienting the various continents. We have the lovely Brazil.

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Fernande Sikier is saying hello, magical art of the world,

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to be sure, Bernanda. So great to know that there

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is enthusiasms, enthusiasm for Star Trek wherever you may look.

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And we'll turn the longitudinal vortex over to Uncle Jim.

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Well, I thank you so much, Paul, and thank you

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v excellent, excellent. I don't know if I can follow

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you guys up, but I'm going to try. Oh, we

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want to say thank you and to Zachary gi Or Delhi,

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who's listening to us from New Jersey. Thank you so much, Zachary.

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We also want to say hello and thank you to

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Ian Mayer who's listening to us in upstate New York.

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Also from New York. We have Keith Slocum who's in Oswego,

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New York, and not from New York. We want to

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say hello and thank you to Michael Warton who's in Montgomery, Alabama.

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Thank you so much everyone. If you'd like to be

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Linol you know me like no win what you thought

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about the show.

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Then we try to.

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Share your opinions with all of our minions out there

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because they listen world.

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Why.

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So tell us just what you think.

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Get together we will alter Canara and romulin Ah.

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Okay, guys, Every week on our Facebook page, I ask

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all kinds of interesting and fun questions about Rakers, beard,

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you know, Cisco's head, all kinds of stuff You nevern't

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know what you're gonna find over there, and I would

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like to see what you guys think about that. So

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this is our pull section, and David, are you ready

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to run the video?

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Thanks for giving me the day off.

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Captain Shelby owed me a favor, actually owed me several

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in fact.

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How would you like to have another.

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Two days off too?

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What do I have to do much?

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Just give me something fun to look at for the

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rest of the evening.

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Anything else, I'll let you know.

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You leave her, or I'll cut your head off and

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hang it from my belt.

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I'll take care of this.

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You weren't invited.

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It is time for the brain on ritual.

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I'm busy, busy, acting like a rising in slut.

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I'm only going to ask you to leave once.

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You will come with me now and performed the brain

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on ritual to my satisfaction, or I will cancel your wedding.

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Tator, what the ladies please.

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Cuss of it?

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Why is everyone standing around the party's just getting started?

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Play something?

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All right?

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I think that anytime a quing on spits at you,

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that's not a good thing. So, Eric, what was our

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poll question?

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All right?

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That, of course, was the Deep Space nine episode you

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are cordially invited. When we're getting ready for the big wedding. There,

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Dax gets into a fight with Sorilla, who calls off

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the wedding. Do you think Dax the actor correctly? Do

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you think Dak's acted correctly? And I'm guessing I am

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not frozen? Does anybody I'll see me frozen? I'm seeing

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no one frozen anyway? Uh, Sorella called off the wedding.

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Do you think Dak's acted correctly? Fifty seven percent of

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our responders said, yes, Dak's acted correctly, and I'm guessing

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correctly means uh challenged her, and then forty three percent

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said no, is that? What is that what you meant

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by the poll there? Jim, Yes, yeah, yeah, so did

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Dax act correctly in that she challenged Sorella? And fifty

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seven percent of our responders said, yes, of course she

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acted correctly. You know, it's interesting here because I think

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Sorella is just trying to like roll with some Klingon

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ritual here and Dax is kind of doing her own thing,

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and so the real question is what does it all

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mean to Wharf? And I don't think we get that

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in this scene.

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So I wish we did.

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We did, we did, but David and I decided to

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cut it out because it was five minutes long.

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Okay, so what was what was a worst reaction to

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this was he on board with Dax or Sorella?

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No, No, Wharf told Dax she had to go and apologize,

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and Dax was like, no, I'm not crawling back to

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her and begging. That's not I'm not going to do it.

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Of course eventually she does, but okay.

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So in my opinion, then Dax was actually in the

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wrong here because to me, she's marrying a Klingon. She

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needs to respect some of this Klingon ritual stuff. If

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it was important to Wharf, then it should be important

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to Dax. And so I think on the side of

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this one, I would say, no, I don't think Dak's

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acted correctly. She was culturally insensitive. What do you guys think.

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I would agree with you completely. I'm with Dominions on

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this one because you're absolutely right. It's Klingon culture and

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she was marrying into Wharf's family and should have obeyed

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their culture and she didn't. So I'm I'm with you

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and the minions on this one.

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Actually, the minions said yes that dax was correct.

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Oh I thought I thought the minions said.

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Fifty seven percent said she was correct and forty three

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percent said she was not correct.

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I'm looking at the next poll. Yeah, you're right, you're right.

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See you're against dominions.

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Yeah, I'm not with dominions on this one.

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Well how about uh?

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Well, I because I've watched that show. That's one of

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my favorite episodes, and Daxa's response when Wharf talks to

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her is that she pulled a knife, which she did

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and said, I'm not going to apologize to that hag.

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That just cracks me up every time she calls Sorilla

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a hag. But eventually, I think the one that brings

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her around is Cisco, who you know, says that you know,

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come on, You've you've lived what seven eight lifetimes, You've

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got to you know how to behave so you do

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have to make it right. And she did.

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And and she was a Klingon at one point in

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one of her lives.

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Wasn't She.

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Wasn't a Klingon, but she went.

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With the Klingons on their blood oath things, so she

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should understand cling on rituals and whatnot. I would think, Yeah,

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what do you think should should she have just gone

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through with it?

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Or did she act correctly?

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Oh, Paul's need sorry?

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Is that me?

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Yeah?

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Paul, you were saying, yeah, sorry. The audio is just

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I'm getting the echoes from everybody, so it's hard to

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hear anything tonight, guys, some apologies. I'm not familiar with

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this episode, so I'm going to pass in the interest

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of time.

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Okay, what do you think, Charles?

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Yeah, I think sounding like she really was not familiar

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familiarizing herself with Klingon culture like she should have. So

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I go against dominions and saying no, she shouldn't have

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done what she did.

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And David, that leaves you with the caboose, buddy, Are

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you with dominions or against dominions?

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I'm actually kind of in a conflict. Can I be

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in the middle mainly because I agree with me that

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she pulled out a knife. I agree with your guy

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that she should have known the cleanon culture ahead of time.

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The other side is just like saying, you know, she

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was at a party. She was trying to have fun.

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She was trying to have her what is it her

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uh what do they call that when women go off? Yeah,

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bachelor party.

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So I mean.

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Here she was.

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Saying that, you know, she wanted to basically celebrate her

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life before married. And then of course she willa burst

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in without being invited and stuff and so and pulling

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a knife that I cannot understand her reactions. So it's

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kind of a touched up for me. It's both ways,

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all right.

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So David's gonna pull a Switzerland.

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On us, all right, David, you can roll the next

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the next clip if you don't mind.

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A victory. Kiran Maurice A certain schools she's willing to

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teach us.

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Fierce adversaries, unite the dominion, not each other.

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For the sake of survival. Life is a deadly secret

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must be exposed. Are you thinking anything in the pursuit.

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Of our.

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Nothing is sacred? On the next star Trek Deep Space.

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Nine now that videos, that's the right clip.

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That was the right clip, but David and I couldn't

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find a clip actually explaining it.

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So we just.

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Couldn't find the right clip, and I was like, okay.

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Okay, we looked and locked and couldn't find one.

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Yeah, we played it anyway.

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The episode well that that was the Deep Space nine

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episode when it Rains, And the salient point about that

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episode is that that's the episode in which Section thirty

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one infects Odo with the virus, so that you know,

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he can kind of return back to the great length

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infect them.

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And I think.

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In Section thirty ones and maybe Admiral Ross's mind and

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the Dominion War, so in the Deep Space nine episode

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When It Rains, Odo is infected by Starfleet, especially specifically

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by Section thirty one. This infection is part of a

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plan to exterminate the Changeling race and end the Dominion

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War and save millions of people and civilizations. Do you

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agree with this action and in rare form the minions?

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Fifty one percent, so not a great percentage, but like

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a solid fifty one percent said yes, infect the Changelings,

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send them in commit enocide, and forty nine percent said no.

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So I if it's not clear.

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I'm always against cenocide, so I do. I feel like

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that's a gimme. But sometimes these pole results really surprise me.

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Man.

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I'm like, how can you like Starfleet or like Star

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Trek and be on the side of geniie, it just

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doesn't make sense to me. So so yeah, I'm I

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guess against the minions, although it is fifty one to

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forty nine, so it's real close.

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What do you guys think?

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I kind of agree with you on that one.

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It's just like, how can it be that close?

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They surprised me. You never know, but yeah, you're right.

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I mean I think we had a similar question with

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Picard and the Boorg, you know when.

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Yeah, it seems like the people who answer our polls

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are not against genocide, which is very interesting to me

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because I just don't see how that's compatible with the

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whole like humanist secular humanist aspect of Star Trek.

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Yeah, that's it may be that I would love to know,

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like what the nationality is of you know, is it

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fair to say that we think probably a lot of

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our poll responders are American? Does it seem you know,

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probably probably, yeah, because I think in America, right, from

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what I see going on, it's like winning is more

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important than anything being or right is the most important thing,

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and winning no matter what people do, not in this

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country look at ethics at all, you know, almost none,

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I mean little Chinese liver people do. But for the

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most part, it's like, oh, it's important that I'll win

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and nothing else matters. So that doesn't surprise me at all.

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I mean, looking around at like what I see on

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a regular basis, it's like, you know, it can make

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you very cynical about the state of you know, human nature, Paul,

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Why do you.

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Think folk not to like digress too much?

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Here? Guys?

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But like, why do you think people like that dig

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on Star Trek?

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Then?

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Is it because of Scott's spaceships and phasers or.

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I don't know, I mean, it's it baffles me. Right,

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It's like the ones who we get on there, we've

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we've gone round and round. I don't know how long

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Viad's been watching the Facebook page before she got on here, right,

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but but we've gone round and around with people. Right.

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It's just like you know, during like the the heyday

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of like when the Discovery was moving into prominence, right,

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and all of a sudden, there was just this avalanche

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of like when did it star trek?

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You?

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So whoa kill people like black folks so much? Right,

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And it was just so much of this There shouldn't

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be your portion, your gay you gurnder damn my throat, right,

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and this is just endless amounts of this ship, right.

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I mean, it's just really, you know, it's just baffling.

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And I don't know how you can have those kind

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of perceptions and be about a show that I guess

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you're watching the show you don't really know what it's about.

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I guess you just sort of let me take a

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science fiction and that's all I care about. But they

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don't really grasp the idea of themes or anything like that.

480
00:26:55.160 --> 00:26:57.440
So it's it's it's it's yeah.

481
00:26:57.519 --> 00:27:00.480
Well, if I can step in from a historian point

482
00:27:00.480 --> 00:27:06.920
of view, yeah, I mean this country, you know, I

483
00:27:07.200 --> 00:27:11.799
wish that there had been the prime directive, you know,

484
00:27:11.880 --> 00:27:18.200
when when people first came over and eradicated the indigenous people,

485
00:27:18.599 --> 00:27:21.799
you know, it was it was, you know, all in

486
00:27:21.839 --> 00:27:26.279
the name of conquering New Land, and initially like Virginia

487
00:27:26.480 --> 00:27:29.559
being the first permanent you know, Jamestown being the first

488
00:27:29.559 --> 00:27:33.160
permanent successful English settlement. They were all about gold and

489
00:27:33.240 --> 00:27:35.839
silver because that's what the Spanish had found, you know,

490
00:27:35.920 --> 00:27:39.519
things like that. But as far as it's one of

491
00:27:39.559 --> 00:27:42.839
those things where with Star Trek first off, and also

492
00:27:43.319 --> 00:27:48.319
people have twisted the word woke, it is meant to

493
00:27:48.440 --> 00:27:52.119
be a good thing. To quote Jane Fonda when she

494
00:27:52.240 --> 00:27:54.880
made her speech, it's like, it basically means you give

495
00:27:54.880 --> 00:27:58.079
a damn about people, and that's true, and it's been

496
00:27:58.119 --> 00:28:02.200
twisted into something that's so far from what it was

497
00:28:02.240 --> 00:28:06.960
meant to be. But as far as the dominion, it

498
00:28:07.119 --> 00:28:11.240
is one of those moral dilemmas because they were going

499
00:28:11.319 --> 00:28:18.359
to eradicate. They wanted to eradicate millions, and so it's like,

500
00:28:18.440 --> 00:28:22.759
who's going to you know, you know, how do you

501
00:28:22.839 --> 00:28:26.599
know who's going to be eradicate that, the the the Changelings,

502
00:28:26.680 --> 00:28:30.680
the Great Link or all these people across the universe.

503
00:28:30.759 --> 00:28:33.640
You know, it's it's a tough one.

504
00:28:33.880 --> 00:28:36.160
A follow up question. A follow up question because I

505
00:28:36.200 --> 00:28:38.559
just I just don't remember this episode really clearly, because

506
00:28:38.680 --> 00:28:41.960
I don't think i've watched it since Originally, does Odo

507
00:28:42.279 --> 00:28:44.200
know he's been infected.

508
00:28:44.519 --> 00:28:48.480
Not until doctor Basher finds when he's sick he has

509
00:28:48.559 --> 00:28:53.960
his first episode where his insides go gooey or something,

510
00:28:54.640 --> 00:28:56.960
and doctor Basher.

511
00:28:56.839 --> 00:29:00.000
So he learns he learns that he's infected though before

512
00:28:59.880 --> 00:29:01.920
he gets sent to the Great Link, Right, is that

513
00:29:01.920 --> 00:29:02.359
what happened?

514
00:29:02.400 --> 00:29:04.759
Well, No, the first time he goes to the Great Link,

515
00:29:04.799 --> 00:29:11.039
it's because he had killed another change Link, So that happens.

516
00:29:10.759 --> 00:29:13.640
Pre pre being infected. That's before this whole infection thing.

517
00:29:14.519 --> 00:29:18.160
I think, Yeah, that's not really It's clear.

518
00:29:18.519 --> 00:29:24.920
He did infect the female leader change Link of the

519
00:29:25.000 --> 00:29:29.279
Change Links without realizing it, or she linked with him

520
00:29:29.279 --> 00:29:31.960
and she became infected and he became infected.

521
00:29:32.000 --> 00:29:35.680
Then doctor Basher finds a cure yepa gives.

522
00:29:35.440 --> 00:29:39.240
It to Odo, and then Odo ends the war by

523
00:29:39.319 --> 00:29:42.400
telling the female Change Link, I will link with you

524
00:29:42.799 --> 00:29:46.839
and cure the disease if you stop the war.

525
00:29:47.759 --> 00:29:53.160
Okay, so the war initially, Yeah, initially when Starfleet infects Odo, right,

526
00:29:53.200 --> 00:29:55.720
which is from the question right, yep, they do it

527
00:29:55.759 --> 00:29:57.960
without his knowledge. He doesn't know that he's been infected.

528
00:29:58.240 --> 00:29:58.599
Correct.

529
00:29:59.039 --> 00:30:03.799
Yeah, it's it's out rageous. It's like Joseph Mengela, Yeah, exactly, despicable,

530
00:30:04.039 --> 00:30:06.079
despicable And again, how is this Starfleet?

531
00:30:06.119 --> 00:30:06.240
Right?

532
00:30:06.319 --> 00:30:09.519
This whole introduction of section thirty one, I think maybe

533
00:30:09.599 --> 00:30:12.319
began with great and good intentions storytelling wise, but it

534
00:30:12.440 --> 00:30:14.680
just I think it just blows up in your face

535
00:30:14.720 --> 00:30:17.759
as far as like trying to you know, maintain and

536
00:30:18.039 --> 00:30:23.000
ethos and continue to say that, Okay, mankind, we've evolved,

537
00:30:23.039 --> 00:30:25.960
we're more enlightened, which is what you always got from

538
00:30:26.839 --> 00:30:30.559
Next Gen and for Original series. Right, We've we've you know,

539
00:30:31.799 --> 00:30:34.880
proved ourselves right, and I don't think you can continue

540
00:30:34.960 --> 00:30:37.160
down that road in the section thirty one universe.

541
00:30:37.319 --> 00:30:41.119
So well, the other question is section thirty one even Starfleet,

542
00:30:41.440 --> 00:30:43.960
because I thought we kind of went through that already

543
00:30:44.000 --> 00:30:48.000
where we found out that section thirty one whether separate entity.

544
00:30:48.720 --> 00:30:51.519
It's a separate entity, but they're talked about in the

545
00:30:51.519 --> 00:30:55.559
Starfleet Charter. They come from section thirty one of the charter,

546
00:30:55.880 --> 00:30:57.880
that's the Starfleet.

547
00:30:57.880 --> 00:30:59.839
It's absolutely aware of their existence.

548
00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:04.680
They're making again it's it's very well, oh gosh.

549
00:31:04.359 --> 00:31:07.240
That's terrible. Well, my thing is were they were. They

550
00:31:07.720 --> 00:31:13.160
meant to start out as sort of a undercover like

551
00:31:13.440 --> 00:31:16.079
not really black ops, and then they just went bad

552
00:31:16.200 --> 00:31:19.359
with oh shoot, I just watched the episode too. What's

553
00:31:19.400 --> 00:31:22.359
the guy's name that they go into his mind when

554
00:31:22.359 --> 00:31:28.200
they get the cure photo. No, it's what's his.

555
00:31:29.839 --> 00:31:30.599
Yeah, that's right.

556
00:31:30.720 --> 00:31:34.400
Yea, so maybe it's I think it started out with

557
00:31:34.480 --> 00:31:39.480
good intentions and you know, just went bad.

558
00:31:41.039 --> 00:31:43.079
They found out that the galaxy was really full of

559
00:31:43.119 --> 00:31:51.400
knights and.

560
00:31:47.759 --> 00:31:51.480
Uh, Charles, you haven't you haven't spoken yet. What do

561
00:31:51.519 --> 00:31:54.160
you think, minions or no, minions?

562
00:31:54.720 --> 00:31:57.519
Well, I think part of the thing is interesting where

563
00:31:57.599 --> 00:32:01.960
there we only got maybe the thirty one percent approval

564
00:32:02.200 --> 00:32:06.759
rating on Section thirty one. Yet a lot of these dominions,

565
00:32:06.920 --> 00:32:09.960
a lot of these minions upolksly are supporting Section thirty

566
00:32:10.000 --> 00:32:15.880
one for what they did. Definitely, I'm against this one

567
00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:20.920
to the fact that we shouldn't be sacrificing one society

568
00:32:20.960 --> 00:32:26.359
to save others. And I think this is more something

569
00:32:26.400 --> 00:32:30.359
that Section thirty one did as much more than what

570
00:32:31.000 --> 00:32:32.440
members of Starfleet were doing.

571
00:32:35.559 --> 00:32:39.200
Absolutely, so we're all in agreeance here that the arminions

572
00:32:39.640 --> 00:32:40.519
don't know what they're.

573
00:32:40.319 --> 00:32:43.519
Talking about, not on this not on this one.

574
00:32:43.960 --> 00:32:47.400
The dominions are crazy, all right, guys, Well, that wraps up

575
00:32:47.440 --> 00:32:49.799
our polls. You can head over to trek Talking dot

576
00:32:49.839 --> 00:32:52.799
com and uh, I just put up a new poll up.

577
00:32:52.839 --> 00:32:56.640
Actually it's about uh, the final episode of Deep Space

578
00:32:56.720 --> 00:32:59.279
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579
00:32:59.359 --> 00:33:03.000
check that out and vote in that poll. All right,

580
00:33:03.039 --> 00:33:07.000
So it's time to talk about The USS Callister. Netflix

581
00:33:07.039 --> 00:33:09.319
has a series out called Black Mirror, which is an

582
00:33:09.319 --> 00:33:13.759
anthology series with a bunch of different stories. In season four,

583
00:33:14.599 --> 00:33:19.559
they had a series called The USS Callister and basically,

584
00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:23.799
I'm gonna run through it really quick. This dude creates

585
00:33:23.799 --> 00:33:26.759
a virtual reality that you can immerse yourself in based

586
00:33:26.759 --> 00:33:29.880
on an old TV show, Shock and Dismay, based on

587
00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:33.400
Star Trek, and that's why we started talking about it.

588
00:33:34.720 --> 00:33:38.480
He's the captain of a starship, Captain Daily, and he

589
00:33:38.599 --> 00:33:44.160
turns around and illegally clones people in his office and

590
00:33:44.279 --> 00:33:47.640
makes them slaves on the starship the USS Callister to

591
00:33:47.720 --> 00:33:51.519
serve his whims and he's a really nasty dude.

592
00:33:51.559 --> 00:33:52.680
He gets what he deserves.

593
00:33:53.359 --> 00:33:56.640
And it's an hour and a half episode. It's really

594
00:33:56.680 --> 00:34:01.319
really good and it actually has an open ending, and

595
00:34:01.359 --> 00:34:04.920
the open ending leads us into another episode which they

596
00:34:04.960 --> 00:34:12.559
aired in season seven and Steven Season seven is called

597
00:34:12.599 --> 00:34:16.719
Into Infinity. So that's basically what we're going to talk

598
00:34:16.760 --> 00:34:18.760
about tonight. But we do want to talk about the

599
00:34:18.800 --> 00:34:22.280
first one USS Callister because it's over four years old

600
00:34:22.280 --> 00:34:23.960
and a lot of people might not have seen it.

601
00:34:25.039 --> 00:34:30.119
So that's our topic for tonight. And David, you want

602
00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:31.119
to run the video.

603
00:34:36.360 --> 00:34:40.880
Lieutenant Cole, Welcome board.

604
00:34:42.360 --> 00:34:42.599
Crew.

605
00:34:42.840 --> 00:34:52.960
We have a new member of the team. Wait, Jesus.

606
00:34:53.840 --> 00:34:55.960
Space Fleet never turned its back on those who need

607
00:34:56.039 --> 00:34:56.400
our help.

608
00:34:56.800 --> 00:34:59.480
Here hip him by.

609
00:35:09.760 --> 00:35:12.840
All right, that was the first episode USS Callister. And

610
00:35:12.880 --> 00:35:14.559
why don't you get us started, Paul.

611
00:35:16.639 --> 00:35:17.920
Or what would you like me to do?

612
00:35:19.239 --> 00:35:22.320
Anything that you want to do? Have some have a taco?

613
00:35:23.039 --> 00:35:23.159
Uh?

614
00:35:23.440 --> 00:35:23.840
Whatever?

615
00:35:24.079 --> 00:35:26.239
Well, I just wasn't sure because a lot of times

616
00:35:26.320 --> 00:35:28.719
I will recap the story, but it seems like you've

617
00:35:28.760 --> 00:35:30.480
already done that, so I'm sure.

618
00:35:30.960 --> 00:35:34.079
I only I didn't really, I mean, we can dive

619
00:35:34.159 --> 00:35:35.119
right into talk about it.

620
00:35:35.119 --> 00:35:36.639
Then. What do you think about the episode?

621
00:35:39.920 --> 00:35:42.639
I think yeah, I think it's great. Again, this is

622
00:35:42.639 --> 00:35:45.840
from back in twenty seventeen, guys, so it's been quite

623
00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:47.760
a few number of years. It's been almost like eight

624
00:35:47.840 --> 00:35:50.320
years since this has been on here, and we're talking

625
00:35:50.320 --> 00:35:54.239
about from the TV show Black Mirror. Okay, and this

626
00:35:54.440 --> 00:35:58.159
is a show that became this particular episode for folks

627
00:35:58.199 --> 00:36:01.119
who never watched Black Mirror, which is an anthology series, right,

628
00:36:01.199 --> 00:36:03.840
so meaning that every story is different every week, so

629
00:36:03.880 --> 00:36:07.119
they're very seldom connected in any way, right, And this

630
00:36:07.280 --> 00:36:09.960
became a huge sensation. It became a real cult hit.

631
00:36:10.079 --> 00:36:14.320
It won four Primetime Emmy Awards that year for Outstanding

632
00:36:14.320 --> 00:36:18.000
Television Movie, Outstanding Writing for a Limited Series. And then

633
00:36:18.239 --> 00:36:21.400
just real recently they did a sequel. We're going to

634
00:36:21.440 --> 00:36:23.880
probably talk about both of them. Want to point out

635
00:36:23.960 --> 00:36:27.199
that the director of both of these episodes is Toby Haynes,

636
00:36:27.440 --> 00:36:30.760
who I think Eric and Charles will know from his

637
00:36:31.440 --> 00:36:35.159
prodigious work on Doctor Who. It's also good episodes of

638
00:36:35.199 --> 00:36:38.519
Sherlock and most recently on Andword as well, so he's

639
00:36:38.559 --> 00:36:42.840
a real pro. And the initial episode, for folks who

640
00:36:42.840 --> 00:36:45.199
have not seen it, the original one that we're talking

641
00:36:45.199 --> 00:36:48.199
about from twenty seventeen. This is a Netflix specific show.

642
00:36:48.239 --> 00:36:49.639
You want to be sure to seek it out. It

643
00:36:49.679 --> 00:36:53.719
is frankly brilliant, Okay, I mean it is just it

644
00:36:53.760 --> 00:36:56.480
starts off with kind of a cold open, as though

645
00:36:56.519 --> 00:37:00.440
we're watching a very kind of almost Captain Proton esque

646
00:37:00.519 --> 00:37:03.920
version of like a Star Trek show, right with just

647
00:37:04.039 --> 00:37:08.000
it's shot very you know, pulpy with the camera angles

648
00:37:08.039 --> 00:37:10.800
and the glaring lighting, and it's it's got a very

649
00:37:11.000 --> 00:37:15.320
pulp sixties style to it. Everyone's wearing primary color uniforms.

650
00:37:15.320 --> 00:37:18.440
It's got a real yellow drama. You know, it's camera

651
00:37:18.480 --> 00:37:22.280
zooming in on someone as they're having their you know moments. Right,

652
00:37:22.360 --> 00:37:26.400
It's it's hilarious and it's a it's a shock, and

653
00:37:26.400 --> 00:37:29.039
but it's like it's it's so over the top, right

654
00:37:29.159 --> 00:37:34.960
that when the captain destroys his vanquishes the enemy ship

655
00:37:35.039 --> 00:37:38.400
that is, you know, tormenting them, right, he celebrates by

656
00:37:38.519 --> 00:37:40.079
you know, all of his crew I has to line

657
00:37:40.159 --> 00:37:42.440
up and applaud him and hip it parat just on

658
00:37:42.480 --> 00:37:44.760
the clip, right, and he takes turns kissing all of

659
00:37:44.800 --> 00:37:47.760
the female members of his crew, and you're like, what

660
00:37:47.800 --> 00:37:49.920
the hell is this? And then you cut out and

661
00:37:49.960 --> 00:37:53.639
you realize that none of this is real, that all

662
00:37:53.639 --> 00:37:56.440
of this is going on within this large company kind

663
00:37:56.480 --> 00:37:59.519
of a lah you know, meta Facebook, right of a

664
00:37:59.639 --> 00:38:04.960
large tech startup where somebody has invented a completely immersive

665
00:38:05.320 --> 00:38:08.480
form of video entertainment like a gaming system, right, and

666
00:38:08.519 --> 00:38:10.719
people are putting on these nods on their head and

667
00:38:10.760 --> 00:38:14.159
they're completely losing myself in the game, and the guy

668
00:38:14.199 --> 00:38:18.960
who created it, this he's basically the head of their

669
00:38:19.039 --> 00:38:23.719
tech at this company. This Robert Day guy has taken

670
00:38:23.880 --> 00:38:26.199
his creation and he's kind of gone off the books

671
00:38:26.239 --> 00:38:29.760
with it, right, and he's created his own version of

672
00:38:29.800 --> 00:38:32.679
it that he can do whatever he wants to, right,

673
00:38:32.800 --> 00:38:35.480
and he can do his fantasization. It's almost like that.

674
00:38:36.119 --> 00:38:37.880
And when I first saw it, I was reminded of

675
00:38:37.920 --> 00:38:43.119
that Next Gen episode where Barkley is really inappropriately using

676
00:38:43.440 --> 00:38:47.360
the Holideck to you know, we live out his wish fulfillment,

677
00:38:47.679 --> 00:38:51.519
right and doing inappropriate things with like counselor Troy and

678
00:38:51.559 --> 00:38:54.599
things like that. And except this guy here has taken

679
00:38:54.639 --> 00:38:59.519
it to a whole other level because he's got what

680
00:38:59.679 --> 00:39:02.599
is in the world of the story, in the real

681
00:39:02.639 --> 00:39:06.360
world of the story. He's got this device that basically,

682
00:39:06.440 --> 00:39:08.719
you know they you hear it described as being that's

683
00:39:08.719 --> 00:39:11.159
something that came out of the porn industry, right, that

684
00:39:11.280 --> 00:39:15.239
lets you take somebody's DNA, right and create like a

685
00:39:15.320 --> 00:39:19.519
digital replica of them and use them in your gaming

686
00:39:19.559 --> 00:39:22.000
system to interact with and do whatever you want. You

687
00:39:22.119 --> 00:39:26.920
basically made a digital replication of their consciousness. So it's

688
00:39:26.960 --> 00:39:35.320
like that person kind of that you created exists.

689
00:39:30.840 --> 00:39:33.519
And that's the important part of it.

690
00:39:34.679 --> 00:39:36.599
They're like, well, the hell am I what's going on?

691
00:39:36.760 --> 00:39:36.960
Right?

692
00:39:37.079 --> 00:39:41.880
And and and the lead in from this is this

693
00:39:42.000 --> 00:39:45.119
woman who's new at the Callister Company, right, which is

694
00:39:45.159 --> 00:39:46.960
that what it's referred to with the real world is

695
00:39:46.960 --> 00:39:49.800
the Callister Company, right, who's run by this kind of

696
00:39:50.039 --> 00:39:54.480
nonsensical power mad you know, vainglorious Elon Musk type guy,

697
00:39:54.639 --> 00:39:57.360
which is just you know, James Walton, which is the

698
00:39:57.400 --> 00:40:01.000
great Jimmy Simpson who's playing him. He's just phenomenal. And

699
00:40:01.119 --> 00:40:05.440
the inroad for the first episode, the initial original pilot

700
00:40:05.480 --> 00:40:08.480
episode is this new employee who there was just starting, right,

701
00:40:08.679 --> 00:40:11.320
is Kristin Molothi right place her And I don't know

702
00:40:11.320 --> 00:40:14.079
if any of you guys have watched Anguin over on

703
00:40:14.199 --> 00:40:16.920
Max yet, but that's a great show which you should

704
00:40:16.960 --> 00:40:18.719
check it out. But the reason I mentioned is because

705
00:40:18.800 --> 00:40:21.159
Kristin Malothi is like the star of the show, right,

706
00:40:21.199 --> 00:40:24.639
and she is one of the best actresses out there

707
00:40:24.719 --> 00:40:26.760
up and comers that you should be keeping an eye

708
00:40:26.760 --> 00:40:29.079
on because she's equally good at doing both drama and

709
00:40:29.199 --> 00:40:32.559
comedy and she gets to do both to an insane

710
00:40:32.599 --> 00:40:37.480
degree on Uss Callister. And so it's all about abuse

711
00:40:37.599 --> 00:40:39.920
of power, and it's all about, you know, it's taking

712
00:40:39.960 --> 00:40:42.599
that lens of people that we may or may not

713
00:40:42.719 --> 00:40:46.320
all know, who are obsessed about their shows and they

714
00:40:46.360 --> 00:40:49.199
have all of their you know, video cassettes lined up

715
00:40:49.199 --> 00:40:52.039
in their special room. I have a special room, and

716
00:40:52.159 --> 00:40:54.639
all of their comics and everything, and they're just kind

717
00:40:54.679 --> 00:40:56.880
of living in that other reality more than they are

718
00:40:56.920 --> 00:40:59.760
in the real world. And it gets a little lonely

719
00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:02.960
that kind of dynamic. And if you have the ability

720
00:41:03.000 --> 00:41:07.800
to suck people in there against their will and use

721
00:41:07.880 --> 00:41:10.960
them as your playthings and kind of start to pretend

722
00:41:10.960 --> 00:41:14.280
that you're, you know, God allah Gary Mitchell in that

723
00:41:14.360 --> 00:41:17.559
private universe, it leads to hellish consequences.

724
00:41:17.599 --> 00:41:20.280
So well, and Paul and in this one, right, yeah,

725
00:41:20.280 --> 00:41:22.639
And in this one, he does it like Daily's doing

726
00:41:22.679 --> 00:41:26.599
it because he's doing it as a reaction against the

727
00:41:26.599 --> 00:41:29.840
belittlement that he feels in the real world right now.

728
00:41:30.199 --> 00:41:33.039
So it's like it's not just him playing God for

729
00:41:33.039 --> 00:41:35.159
the sake of playing God. It's him playing God because

730
00:41:35.159 --> 00:41:36.880
he feels like he needs to get back at these

731
00:41:36.920 --> 00:41:39.320
people and he doesn't have the power to get back

732
00:41:39.320 --> 00:41:41.239
at them in the real world, and so he's doing

733
00:41:41.320 --> 00:41:43.400
it to the nth degree in the virtual world.

734
00:41:44.280 --> 00:41:47.639
Exactly. It's like he's he's been belittled and is the

735
00:41:48.079 --> 00:41:50.320
head of the company's kind of taken over his whole

736
00:41:50.599 --> 00:41:54.039
vision and everything uses to make money, to lead the profiteering,

737
00:41:54.079 --> 00:41:56.599
and he's kind of you know, he's basically never really

738
00:41:56.639 --> 00:41:59.480
became the cool guy. He's like the guy wearing his

739
00:41:59.639 --> 00:42:02.000
fan t shirt living in the garage, right, and he

740
00:42:02.039 --> 00:42:06.440
feels very unseen, unappreciated. But when he goes to become

741
00:42:06.519 --> 00:42:10.280
the in the gaming world, he's captain of the ship

742
00:42:10.360 --> 00:42:13.440
and everyone must love him. And if you've offended him,

743
00:42:13.480 --> 00:42:15.760
he will use you as a human footstool, right, I

744
00:42:15.760 --> 00:42:19.719
mean he will, and he does horrible things, horrible horrible

745
00:42:19.760 --> 00:42:22.679
things like if you are doing things that he does

746
00:42:22.719 --> 00:42:25.639
not the one he's got the version of his boss

747
00:42:25.639 --> 00:42:29.800
in there is his you know, Lickspittle essentially right there

748
00:42:29.840 --> 00:42:31.880
to serve him. And if he doesn't do what he

749
00:42:31.920 --> 00:42:34.119
wants to do, he creates a digital version of this

750
00:42:34.199 --> 00:42:38.840
man's child, and you know, Pusher's the digital version of

751
00:42:38.880 --> 00:42:41.599
the kid out the airlock. So it's like torturing a

752
00:42:41.679 --> 00:42:46.320
sentient copy, a digital clone of your own, of your offspring,

753
00:42:46.400 --> 00:42:51.960
right with his when he's crossed, the worst sides of

754
00:42:52.000 --> 00:42:52.599
him come out.

755
00:42:52.679 --> 00:42:52.840
Right.

756
00:42:52.920 --> 00:42:55.920
When the Christa Malatti character comes in there and she doesn't,

757
00:42:56.079 --> 00:42:57.440
you know, I'm not going to let you kiss me.

758
00:42:57.519 --> 00:43:00.360
I'm not going to do your bullshit, right, he moves

759
00:43:00.360 --> 00:43:03.639
her face, right, which I think is a callback to

760
00:43:03.719 --> 00:43:06.440
Naked tim if I'm not mistaken, But you know, he

761
00:43:06.599 --> 00:43:09.400
moves her face and she's just perpetually gasping for air

762
00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:12.239
with no mouth. Right. It's just he's just horrible. But

763
00:43:12.760 --> 00:43:15.280
what makes this I think, I mean, I think there's

764
00:43:15.320 --> 00:43:16.920
a lot of things to love about this episode, and

765
00:43:16.920 --> 00:43:18.360
we can just talk about this one if we're going

766
00:43:18.400 --> 00:43:20.079
to the second one. I guess if that makes the

767
00:43:20.079 --> 00:43:26.159
most sense. What is The acting is phenomenal? Okay, I

768
00:43:26.199 --> 00:43:28.159
don't know if everyone on here is a big fan

769
00:43:28.480 --> 00:43:35.280
of Jesse Plemons, but Jesse Plemons is just phenomenal, absolutely

770
00:43:35.920 --> 00:43:39.440
tremendous actor. He's got such a plane look to him, right,

771
00:43:39.559 --> 00:43:42.079
he's it can just very just disappear. He can look

772
00:43:42.119 --> 00:43:44.760
like the everyman like he'd be, you know, delivering your

773
00:43:44.800 --> 00:43:47.199
mail or working at the bowling alley or whatever. He's

774
00:43:47.239 --> 00:43:51.480
just very he's got just a very kind of neutral

775
00:43:51.960 --> 00:43:54.760
affect if he will, right. But man, when he gets

776
00:43:54.800 --> 00:43:57.960
inside of a character and inhabits that character, I don't

777
00:43:57.960 --> 00:43:59.760
want to give any spoilers for people haven't seen it,

778
00:43:59.760 --> 00:44:02.320
But go check out a movie called Civil War. And

779
00:44:02.400 --> 00:44:05.280
I won't say anything about when even confirmed an that

780
00:44:05.360 --> 00:44:07.320
gen C Plemons is in that movie, but go check

781
00:44:07.360 --> 00:44:10.480
that out and it will blow your socks off anyone

782
00:44:10.519 --> 00:44:11.760
who was seeing that yet.

783
00:44:12.960 --> 00:44:13.719
No, but when you.

784
00:44:13.639 --> 00:44:15.599
Mentioned it in chat the other day, I looked it

785
00:44:15.679 --> 00:44:17.440
up and I was like, oh, dang, I can't believe

786
00:44:17.480 --> 00:44:18.119
I missed that one.

787
00:44:18.159 --> 00:44:18.679
So it's on.

788
00:44:18.800 --> 00:44:22.079
It's a pretty hardcore. Yeah, brilliantly done. I mean, it's

789
00:44:22.119 --> 00:44:27.000
just it's definitely a challenging one. But but what Jesse

790
00:44:27.079 --> 00:44:29.800
Plemons doesn't here the way he comes up with a

791
00:44:29.800 --> 00:44:32.679
whole different speech pattern for himself, more of a he's

792
00:44:32.760 --> 00:44:35.800
more of an aristocratic speaker when he's the captain, right,

793
00:44:35.840 --> 00:44:36.239
He's got.

794
00:44:36.159 --> 00:44:37.880
A whole he got a little bit of a Rubbert

795
00:44:38.079 --> 00:44:39.760
or a William Shatner thing going on.

796
00:44:40.239 --> 00:44:43.239
Yeah, it's like, wait, I don't know. He's just he's

797
00:44:43.280 --> 00:44:47.039
got a gentility and he's respects, but he's created this

798
00:44:47.079 --> 00:44:49.880
whole world. But when he loses control of himself right

799
00:44:49.960 --> 00:44:53.480
and he does not get his way, it is frightening

800
00:44:53.639 --> 00:44:57.239
to behold and the way like weird details, like he's

801
00:44:57.280 --> 00:45:00.960
created this universe for everybody, but no one has any genitals, right,

802
00:45:01.039 --> 00:45:05.400
because it's like a safe, friendly, family friendly thing, right

803
00:45:05.400 --> 00:45:07.960
where he just gets to go off and do his thing,

804
00:45:08.159 --> 00:45:12.880
and it's just it's just disturbing. But it's as dark

805
00:45:12.920 --> 00:45:15.559
as it is because Black Mirror is very often super

806
00:45:15.599 --> 00:45:17.800
freaking dark. I mean, they go to some places that

807
00:45:17.840 --> 00:45:19.360
you're just like, wow, I can't believe you weren't there.

808
00:45:19.400 --> 00:45:21.719
I mean, it's just crazy. But there's also this is

809
00:45:21.760 --> 00:45:26.599
a hilarious, hilarious episode, and anybody that is enjoys Star

810
00:45:26.639 --> 00:45:31.159
Trek should absolutely be checking these two episodes out. And

811
00:45:31.199 --> 00:45:33.679
we'll talk about the other one whenever everyone's done weighing

812
00:45:33.679 --> 00:45:36.039
in on the first one. I guess if that makes

813
00:45:36.039 --> 00:45:39.559
the most sense, but I just will say it's really

814
00:45:39.639 --> 00:45:44.159
rare that sequels live up to their original episodes. Not

815
00:45:44.320 --> 00:45:47.280
so here this one. I think they did a phenomenal

816
00:45:47.360 --> 00:45:50.880
job with the sequel episode. And sometimes on this show

817
00:45:50.920 --> 00:45:53.960
we get a little frisky we disagree and do things right.

818
00:45:54.039 --> 00:45:57.039
But all I can say is, no matter what, I

819
00:45:57.079 --> 00:46:00.199
have never stolen any of the other trexperts DNA and

820
00:46:00.239 --> 00:46:04.239
created virtual copies of you so I could torment your

821
00:46:04.280 --> 00:46:07.679
replicas in a video game the skin to look like Star.

822
00:46:07.519 --> 00:46:10.239
Trek that model behind at your house.

823
00:46:11.480 --> 00:46:14.400
I have never gotten a swab off Uncle Jim's mountain

824
00:46:14.440 --> 00:46:18.440
dew or anything like that, So I can, you know,

825
00:46:22.559 --> 00:46:25.400
exactly wondering if I am not guilty of these crimes.

826
00:46:26.119 --> 00:46:28.679
Thank you, Thank you Paul Tonight.

827
00:46:30.119 --> 00:46:35.719
The day is young, But that's enough for me for now.

828
00:46:35.760 --> 00:46:37.679
I can talk more about the second episode later if

829
00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:39.440
you want. But what did everybody else think of this?

830
00:46:40.079 --> 00:46:40.119
Me?

831
00:46:40.239 --> 00:46:42.199
You just watched this? I think you've seen it before.

832
00:46:42.239 --> 00:46:43.320
Did you just watch it recently?

833
00:46:43.559 --> 00:46:43.639
No?

834
00:46:43.800 --> 00:46:48.559
Actually, I had watched the sequel the other day and

835
00:46:48.639 --> 00:46:56.000
then watch the original one today, And you're right. He

836
00:46:56.320 --> 00:47:00.719
daily reminds me a little bit of Barkley excuse me,

837
00:47:02.480 --> 00:47:07.480
take a on my throat, where he is such an awkward,

838
00:47:07.519 --> 00:47:11.719
bumbling guy in real life, like especially when when he's

839
00:47:11.760 --> 00:47:14.400
in the office and the trips and falls over the

840
00:47:14.400 --> 00:47:19.440
guy's gym bag, and then later on he sees them

841
00:47:19.559 --> 00:47:23.400
laughing at him, and it's like, you're not going to

842
00:47:23.519 --> 00:47:27.800
laugh at me. I'm going to get you back. But

843
00:47:27.960 --> 00:47:30.960
when I when I saw it, it sort of in

844
00:47:31.000 --> 00:47:34.000
a way I've thought of Tron a little bit, you know,

845
00:47:34.119 --> 00:47:37.039
being in a game. But also, I don't know if

846
00:47:37.039 --> 00:47:42.280
anybody ever saw the X Files episode kill Switch, where

847
00:47:43.000 --> 00:47:46.599
the there's a computer or a guy that one story

848
00:47:46.599 --> 00:47:52.280
short uploaded himself or his consciousness into a computer, and

849
00:47:52.559 --> 00:47:56.920
the computer controls all the satellites and you know, uses

850
00:47:57.239 --> 00:48:00.840
them to wipe out people, you know, throughout the episode.

851
00:48:02.119 --> 00:48:04.719
So I don't know that's that's what it reminded me of.

852
00:48:06.880 --> 00:48:09.320
But yeah, very very good. And then you write the

853
00:48:09.360 --> 00:48:13.239
sequel seems to I mean, it picks up right from

854
00:48:13.239 --> 00:48:16.079
when that one ends and really takes you on a ride.

855
00:48:20.840 --> 00:48:24.559
It's very Star Trek esque. In fact, when you watch it,

856
00:48:24.639 --> 00:48:28.920
you'll see a lot of Star Trek props. I saw

857
00:48:28.960 --> 00:48:32.760
the TNG shuttle sitting up on his shelf. There's a

858
00:48:32.800 --> 00:48:36.079
lot of Star Trek stuff in the in his office.

859
00:48:36.199 --> 00:48:38.360
If you look at the collectibles he's got in there,

860
00:48:39.079 --> 00:48:40.320
actual Star Trek stuff.

861
00:48:40.360 --> 00:48:41.039
I loved it.

862
00:48:41.079 --> 00:48:43.840
I thought that the music reminded me of Star Trek.

863
00:48:43.880 --> 00:48:47.320
The uniforms reminded me of Star Trek. They really they

864
00:48:47.360 --> 00:48:57.599
really did a good job with that. I think, yeah, yeah,

865
00:48:57.679 --> 00:49:00.239
so I really I enjoyed it. I thought it was really.

866
00:49:02.519 --> 00:49:04.840
Like did you like this? Did you like the story?

867
00:49:04.880 --> 00:49:06.800
Did you like what it said about the human condition

868
00:49:07.000 --> 00:49:11.440
and the whole idea of like somebody becoming so immersed

869
00:49:11.440 --> 00:49:14.559
in their own ego that they act out against others.

870
00:49:15.119 --> 00:49:18.639
Yeah, that was that guy was definitely touched. He was tweaked.

871
00:49:19.000 --> 00:49:21.239
We find out in the second one just how tweaked

872
00:49:21.280 --> 00:49:23.599
he is. But I think we touched on an episode

873
00:49:23.639 --> 00:49:28.159
of that TNG with Riker when Riker had a clone.

874
00:49:28.760 --> 00:49:30.559
He didn't like his clone, and then there was another

875
00:49:30.599 --> 00:49:34.400
episode where they cloned Riker without his permission and he

876
00:49:34.480 --> 00:49:36.480
killed the clone. I think that was a poll question

877
00:49:36.559 --> 00:49:38.920
that we had, And I guess it comes down to,

878
00:49:39.400 --> 00:49:43.920
you know, are these clones even though they're illegal, they

879
00:49:44.440 --> 00:49:46.880
are they deserving of the same rights and the same

880
00:49:46.920 --> 00:49:50.320
treatment as the real versions of themselves are in the

881
00:49:50.400 --> 00:49:54.199
real world. I guess is what the question comes down to.

882
00:49:54.639 --> 00:49:59.719
Because in the episode, they're hunted and killed because they're

883
00:49:59.800 --> 00:50:02.920
a legal There were legal aliens and they don't deserve

884
00:50:02.920 --> 00:50:08.559
to survive. But in reality, was that the first episode?

885
00:50:08.679 --> 00:50:10.360
Are you talking about the second episode.

886
00:50:10.039 --> 00:50:12.840
Of I think? I think I'm drifting here.

887
00:50:12.880 --> 00:50:17.039
I'm a drifting I don't remember any any hunting. I

888
00:50:17.039 --> 00:50:17.719
don't remember.

889
00:50:20.960 --> 00:50:22.760
When they find the guy in the cave. Is that

890
00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:23.480
the second one?

891
00:50:23.960 --> 00:50:24.239
Yes?

892
00:50:29.000 --> 00:50:31.000
I thought it was a lot of fun and I.

893
00:50:31.119 --> 00:50:33.159
Like it was such a good episode. You dreamed the

894
00:50:33.199 --> 00:50:34.679
third episode?

895
00:50:38.000 --> 00:50:39.039
What about you, David?

896
00:50:39.159 --> 00:50:41.400
You don't put that to Netflix and you might have

897
00:50:41.440 --> 00:50:42.039
a gig there.

898
00:50:43.760 --> 00:50:46.519
So I really enjoyed this one. I watched it just

899
00:50:46.639 --> 00:50:52.039
last night actually, and uh, the beginning of the show

900
00:50:52.360 --> 00:50:55.400
really reminded me of the beginning of Galaxy Quest. That's

901
00:50:55.480 --> 00:50:57.360
the first thing that popped into my head. When they

902
00:50:57.400 --> 00:50:59.599
were trying to pretend that they're on the show and

903
00:50:59.599 --> 00:51:03.199
everything were going on, That's what it really reminded me of.

904
00:51:03.239 --> 00:51:07.840
When they were just like clapping around, it was just like, oh, okay,

905
00:51:07.960 --> 00:51:10.639
it just seems a little weird. But then one day

906
00:51:10.920 --> 00:51:13.920
the next thing you see daily on the elevator. All

907
00:51:13.960 --> 00:51:17.599
of a sudden, everything just playing completely uphill from there,

908
00:51:17.679 --> 00:51:20.360
which is like it just got better and better. And

909
00:51:21.800 --> 00:51:27.079
I really liked this episode. I think that in the

910
00:51:27.159 --> 00:51:29.559
second one as well. We're going to talk later about

911
00:51:29.639 --> 00:51:32.199
but yeah, I just got it got better from that,

912
00:51:32.360 --> 00:51:37.159
So not much a lot of the funny things that

913
00:51:37.199 --> 00:51:40.440
I can remember from this particular episode, but I really

914
00:51:40.480 --> 00:51:46.760
recommend it to people, So yeah, I take on it.

915
00:51:47.360 --> 00:51:49.239
David's with our minions. He enjoyed it.

916
00:51:51.119 --> 00:51:53.480
What about you, Charles, did you get a chance to

917
00:51:53.519 --> 00:51:54.199
watch part one?

918
00:51:54.599 --> 00:51:58.719
Oh? I was here when we reviewed part one together,

919
00:51:59.639 --> 00:52:02.159
and then I went back and watched part one and two,

920
00:52:03.079 --> 00:52:06.480
so I was refamiliarizing myself and realized I'd forgotten a

921
00:52:06.519 --> 00:52:09.400
lot about what happened this episode because it's been so

922
00:52:09.519 --> 00:52:13.400
long since I've seen it. The one thing about Daily

923
00:52:13.599 --> 00:52:18.639
is you see a little bit in one, maybe a

924
00:52:18.679 --> 00:52:23.639
little bit in the second. Is I wonder if he's

925
00:52:23.679 --> 00:52:29.039
slightly on the spectrum, that he's a little little bit,

926
00:52:30.440 --> 00:52:33.760
a little bit on the autism side, because I think

927
00:52:33.840 --> 00:52:40.119
he's struggling to relate to the real world. Also, I

928
00:52:40.239 --> 00:52:45.239
beat Eric in this one in the jumping. I have

929
00:52:45.280 --> 00:52:49.679
another one that this reminds me of, and Paul I said,

930
00:52:49.960 --> 00:52:56.000
RP one, and Paul's like, what it's like Ready Player one?

931
00:52:56.199 --> 00:52:59.840
Because Ready Player one you go into the oasis and

932
00:53:00.119 --> 00:53:05.840
you go into you put on your VR equipment and

933
00:53:05.880 --> 00:53:10.880
then are and are transported into the system and living

934
00:53:10.920 --> 00:53:15.599
in a VR world. And where this one they just

935
00:53:15.679 --> 00:53:21.039
put a one little connection to their forehead and connect.

936
00:53:21.599 --> 00:53:24.239
Where is that one they actually was still using VR

937
00:53:24.320 --> 00:53:29.199
equipment to connect. I know some people may say, oh,

938
00:53:29.360 --> 00:53:32.760
the movie was okay. I think the movie was okay.

939
00:53:33.599 --> 00:53:37.119
The book is good. If you want the audio version,

940
00:53:37.159 --> 00:53:40.360
the audio version is better. And the reason I like

941
00:53:40.440 --> 00:53:46.599
the audio version because it's read by Will Beaton and

942
00:53:46.679 --> 00:53:51.679
with his sci fi connections, he's he's a great reader

943
00:53:51.880 --> 00:53:58.599
for that story. But definitely I concur with Paul. It's

944
00:53:58.599 --> 00:54:04.840
a very dark series. It's God, it's very dark moments.

945
00:54:05.079 --> 00:54:08.079
It's kind of comical moments, especially when you get to

946
00:54:08.119 --> 00:54:11.639
the point it's like, oh, something's going in the real world.

947
00:54:11.920 --> 00:54:16.440
There's the peach delivery man's at the doors. Okay, pause,

948
00:54:17.159 --> 00:54:21.079
everybody jumps out of character, the big creature of a

949
00:54:21.199 --> 00:54:24.519
creature that's there all of a sudden. It's like, oh, hey,

950
00:54:24.599 --> 00:54:27.360
how's it going. I'm so and so it's like, oh

951
00:54:27.440 --> 00:54:32.719
yeah from that department, and just an interesting way of

952
00:54:32.800 --> 00:54:38.320
how it connects. But definitely, even the first one, I

953
00:54:38.360 --> 00:54:40.840
think we were very well impressed with the first time

954
00:54:40.920 --> 00:54:42.119
we reviewed it.

955
00:54:43.039 --> 00:54:48.719
When's you agree, Eric, Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure.

956
00:54:49.920 --> 00:54:50.159
Launch.

957
00:54:51.920 --> 00:54:54.039
Yeah, I'll go ahead and take off from here. So

958
00:54:54.360 --> 00:54:58.079
I'll just say that Black Mirror is one of my

959
00:54:58.280 --> 00:55:02.760
favorite series on television. There's no question that it's pretty dark,

960
00:55:03.199 --> 00:55:05.719
and there's no question that sometimes it will freak you

961
00:55:05.760 --> 00:55:07.440
out and make you not want to go to bed

962
00:55:08.159 --> 00:55:11.239
at night. But I think that that's kind of the

963
00:55:11.280 --> 00:55:15.599
point of it. Dark Mirror, Black Mirror, Excuse me. The

964
00:55:15.639 --> 00:55:20.800
purpose of it is to explore kind of the effect

965
00:55:20.880 --> 00:55:24.079
that technology has on our lives and how it kind

966
00:55:24.079 --> 00:55:26.719
of warps the sense of what it means to be

967
00:55:27.320 --> 00:55:31.280
a human. And you know, with these I remember the

968
00:55:31.400 --> 00:55:34.360
very first episode of Black Mirror ever, it's called The

969
00:55:34.519 --> 00:55:37.840
Entire History of You, and it's this great episode where

970
00:55:37.880 --> 00:55:40.519
there's this like recording device in everybody's head where every

971
00:55:40.559 --> 00:55:43.519
single moment of their lives is recorded. And the episode

972
00:55:43.559 --> 00:55:47.639
goes through this relationship of these two people who are

973
00:55:47.719 --> 00:55:51.719
married and they get into an argument, and of course

974
00:55:51.760 --> 00:55:55.320
both of their head things record that argument, and it's

975
00:55:55.400 --> 00:55:58.320
just the minutia that they get into as a result

976
00:55:58.400 --> 00:56:01.400
of them both having a perfect of it that I

977
00:56:01.400 --> 00:56:04.960
think is just freaking brilliant, And in this one you

978
00:56:05.079 --> 00:56:08.400
kind of overlay that scary technology what is it going

979
00:56:08.480 --> 00:56:11.400
to do to us as humans? With a star trek

980
00:56:11.519 --> 00:56:15.400
veneer And I got so excited when this episode first

981
00:56:15.440 --> 00:56:18.519
came out. The things that it of course reminds me

982
00:56:18.559 --> 00:56:21.199
of initially, are you go all the way back to

983
00:56:21.199 --> 00:56:24.519
the eighties when William Gibson was writing. He's the guy

984
00:56:24.559 --> 00:56:29.239
who coined the term cyberpunk, so he wrote Neuromancer back

985
00:56:29.280 --> 00:56:31.599
in like I don't know, eighty eight, eighty nine something

986
00:56:31.639 --> 00:56:36.199
like that. You got Neil Stevenson with snow Crash kind

987
00:56:36.199 --> 00:56:40.159
of following up on this virtual reality living. What I

988
00:56:40.199 --> 00:56:43.639
think this episode does, probably better than any of the

989
00:56:43.760 --> 00:56:50.079
other cyberpunky style television or movies that I've seen, is

990
00:56:50.079 --> 00:56:53.000
that this one really I think explores the idea of

991
00:56:53.079 --> 00:56:57.920
what is real. You know, we're using terms like in

992
00:56:58.000 --> 00:57:01.679
real life and in virtual life, but I think this

993
00:57:01.800 --> 00:57:06.519
episode really blurs that line together, and it says we're

994
00:57:06.559 --> 00:57:10.840
making an exact clone, duplicate of this person who happens

995
00:57:10.880 --> 00:57:12.920
to live in a different place. I mean it could

996
00:57:12.920 --> 00:57:15.320
be a different country, it could be a different city, right,

997
00:57:15.360 --> 00:57:18.199
it doesn't really matter that it's virtual versus not virtual.

998
00:57:18.280 --> 00:57:21.239
The point is that the people who are in the

999
00:57:21.280 --> 00:57:25.840
box are people, and they have all of the rights,

1000
00:57:26.360 --> 00:57:31.320
all of the once needs desires of a person who

1001
00:57:31.360 --> 00:57:34.920
is living on the planet and is made of physical matter.

1002
00:57:35.480 --> 00:57:38.239
It doesn't really matter that they're made of digital stuff.

1003
00:57:38.800 --> 00:57:42.039
So to me, that's the part of this episode that

1004
00:57:42.159 --> 00:57:46.199
I think is so brilliant and actually resonates the most

1005
00:57:46.320 --> 00:57:49.719
is it explores that idea of what is real and

1006
00:57:49.840 --> 00:57:55.800
does it even matter if you're made of electrons versus

1007
00:57:56.679 --> 00:57:59.440
versus actual matter? And actually the thing that that kind

1008
00:57:59.480 --> 00:58:02.679
of reminds me of more than anything is the doctor

1009
00:58:02.880 --> 00:58:08.000
on Voyager, Right, he's made of photons? Does he not

1010
00:58:08.079 --> 00:58:10.800
have the same rights as a regular person? Or you

1011
00:58:10.840 --> 00:58:13.599
go back to next generation and the measure of a man?

1012
00:58:13.719 --> 00:58:16.960
What is the actual definition of sentience? What does it

1013
00:58:17.039 --> 00:58:19.239
mean to be a sentient being? And what does that

1014
00:58:19.320 --> 00:58:23.800
give you with regards to human rights and that sort

1015
00:58:23.840 --> 00:58:28.000
of stuff. So I absolutely love this episode. I've seen

1016
00:58:28.039 --> 00:58:31.519
it probably five or six times over the years. I

1017
00:58:31.559 --> 00:58:33.320
watched it twice when it first came out, I watched

1018
00:58:33.360 --> 00:58:35.519
it once just recently, and I've probably seen it two

1019
00:58:35.559 --> 00:58:39.519
or three times in between. I absolutely love it. I

1020
00:58:39.559 --> 00:58:42.840
completely agree with Paul in that the acting is fantastic.

1021
00:58:43.119 --> 00:58:46.239
I think the writing is really good here too. The

1022
00:58:46.440 --> 00:58:50.880
dialogue is well laid out and you don't have to

1023
00:58:51.159 --> 00:58:53.280
you always kind of know where you are in the story.

1024
00:58:53.719 --> 00:58:57.880
You're never wondering or left in some kind of a

1025
00:58:57.920 --> 00:59:00.239
mystery where you kind of have to figure things out.

1026
00:59:00.280 --> 00:59:02.400
I mean, of course, it's a mystery that kind of

1027
00:59:02.440 --> 00:59:05.119
builds from the beginning because initially you don't really understand

1028
00:59:05.159 --> 00:59:09.880
what's happening, but you're never lost, right, So is one

1029
00:59:09.920 --> 00:59:12.440
of the best written. Black Mirror in general is a

1030
00:59:12.480 --> 00:59:16.280
fantastically written series, and this episode in particular, I think

1031
00:59:16.360 --> 00:59:19.159
is really really good and just you know, the acting

1032
00:59:19.199 --> 00:59:22.760
and everything is great. So yeah, to me, this is

1033
00:59:22.800 --> 00:59:26.599
about as good as Black Mirror gets. I would absolutely

1034
00:59:26.760 --> 00:59:28.880
put it up in that like nine to ten range

1035
00:59:28.880 --> 00:59:31.679
if we were given numbers to anything. I mean, anytime

1036
00:59:31.719 --> 00:59:33.960
you start giving me science fiction that starts talking about

1037
00:59:34.000 --> 00:59:35.840
what is sentience? What does it mean to be a human?

1038
00:59:36.159 --> 00:59:40.840
What are my rights? Does it matter what I'm made of,

1039
00:59:41.159 --> 00:59:43.519
doesn't matter what color I am? Like all of that stuff.

1040
00:59:43.559 --> 00:59:44.880
Just I totally get off on that.

1041
00:59:47.840 --> 00:59:50.840
Yeah, the part that had me on the floor laughing

1042
00:59:50.960 --> 00:59:55.119
is when she first shows up there and she's at

1043
00:59:55.159 --> 00:59:59.920
odds with him, and the boss says, check your pants,

1044
01:00:00.119 --> 01:00:02.760
and she goes down and says, he took my po Nani.

1045
01:00:02.880 --> 01:00:05.639
And then she starts fighting with him and he takes

1046
01:00:05.679 --> 01:00:08.599
away her face. He just snaps his finger. Her face

1047
01:00:08.679 --> 01:00:11.280
is gone, kind of like Charlie X did in the

1048
01:00:11.320 --> 01:00:14.280
Star Trek episode, and he's just wielding his power like

1049
01:00:14.320 --> 01:00:15.400
a crazy maniac.

1050
01:00:16.599 --> 01:00:19.199
Well, I think what it shows is that, like the

1051
01:00:19.239 --> 01:00:20.920
other thing that I didn't really get into, but that

1052
01:00:21.119 --> 01:00:23.639
like could also be discussed about this episode is it's

1053
01:00:23.800 --> 01:00:28.119
corollary to people who play video games these days, particularly

1054
01:00:28.159 --> 01:00:31.920
like massive multiplayer online games, wherein they get to live

1055
01:00:32.000 --> 01:00:35.840
these digital lives. But the games that exist these days

1056
01:00:36.920 --> 01:00:38.719
have and we're going to talk more about this in

1057
01:00:38.760 --> 01:00:43.440
the second episode. There's no consequences, right. Your character can die,

1058
01:00:44.000 --> 01:00:46.920
you can regenerate, you can build a new character. It's

1059
01:00:46.960 --> 01:00:51.280
not like a real life that's being lived within these games,

1060
01:00:51.360 --> 01:00:54.360
and yet people pour all of their heart and soul

1061
01:00:54.519 --> 01:00:58.920
into it and it means so much to them. In

1062
01:00:58.960 --> 01:01:01.559
this case, you know, there's actually a sension being in

1063
01:01:01.599 --> 01:01:04.599
the so it's it's a little bit different, but I

1064
01:01:04.679 --> 01:01:08.639
think the I think those are the ideas that is

1065
01:01:08.800 --> 01:01:11.519
it's exploring, is like, Okay, what if our technology, our

1066
01:01:11.559 --> 01:01:14.480
technology is here, what if it got to hear? Like,

1067
01:01:14.639 --> 01:01:17.119
what would that do to society? What would that do

1068
01:01:17.239 --> 01:01:19.639
to people? What would that do to their way of

1069
01:01:19.679 --> 01:01:23.079
thinking about one another? And yeah, let's talk more about

1070
01:01:23.079 --> 01:01:25.400
that in the second episode. I love this, it's good stuff.

1071
01:01:25.760 --> 01:01:28.800
Well, you want to run the video, David, and then

1072
01:01:28.840 --> 01:01:37.840
we can have Paul do the second video.

1073
01:01:38.519 --> 01:01:39.360
You can.

1074
01:01:51.360 --> 01:01:53.440
Oh my god, what am I wearing?

1075
01:01:58.679 --> 01:02:00.559
I look capable?

1076
01:02:02.199 --> 01:02:04.159
Okay, so you want to do this? You want me

1077
01:02:04.199 --> 01:02:05.760
to kill your clone and then you kill.

1078
01:02:05.679 --> 01:02:08.639
Myne Oh my god, you're right.

1079
01:02:08.679 --> 01:02:10.679
There will be so much more to give we kill.

1080
01:02:10.960 --> 01:02:12.679
So know what you're talking about?

1081
01:02:12.679 --> 01:02:14.400
What I can kill anybody? Why are we here? What

1082
01:02:14.440 --> 01:02:15.039
are we doing here?

1083
01:02:17.599 --> 01:02:17.880
Come on?

1084
01:02:17.960 --> 01:02:25.440
Ou hi?

1085
01:02:28.639 --> 01:02:30.280
Don't hi out?

1086
01:02:31.599 --> 01:02:32.440
I come in peace.

1087
01:02:37.440 --> 01:02:48.599
I come in peace? Oh hi? Do you need a

1088
01:02:48.639 --> 01:02:49.719
hand there? What?

1089
01:02:50.679 --> 01:02:50.840
No?

1090
01:02:50.840 --> 01:02:51.000
No?

1091
01:02:51.000 --> 01:02:54.280
No?

1092
01:02:54.880 --> 01:02:56.280
Why it's me?

1093
01:02:57.440 --> 01:03:00.639
I mean I'm you?

1094
01:03:00.679 --> 01:03:01.239
No, you're you?

1095
01:03:01.920 --> 01:03:02.199
I'm me?

1096
01:03:02.880 --> 01:03:03.760
Yeah, but I'm not really you.

1097
01:03:04.440 --> 01:03:05.199
That's subjective.

1098
01:03:06.400 --> 01:03:09.039
Why are you here? Oh?

1099
01:03:09.159 --> 01:03:09.400
Wait?

1100
01:03:09.480 --> 01:03:10.320
We just want to talk?

1101
01:03:10.880 --> 01:03:11.280
Who's we?

1102
01:03:11.760 --> 01:03:14.079
Yeah?

1103
01:03:14.559 --> 01:03:14.719
Yo?

1104
01:03:15.440 --> 01:03:21.599
I must day, let's have nerdsop it.

1105
01:03:22.440 --> 01:03:24.480
Oh yeah, of course, I don't even know I had

1106
01:03:24.480 --> 01:03:29.440
it in that work. Wow, that's a that's a big thing.

1107
01:03:29.480 --> 01:03:38.280
Gun glad I'm keeping trim.

1108
01:03:32.280 --> 01:03:36.840
All right, ball tak it away.

1109
01:03:37.760 --> 01:03:39.039
You know, I didn't know we were going to do

1110
01:03:39.039 --> 01:03:40.519
in these clips, so I kind of feel like it

1111
01:03:40.559 --> 01:03:43.960
makes them doing an in depth recap a little redundant,

1112
01:03:43.960 --> 01:03:47.880
but I'll try to abbreviate it. So it's been a

1113
01:03:47.880 --> 01:03:50.880
few months since the events of the first episode, right,

1114
01:03:51.079 --> 01:03:55.239
and so all of our digitally cloned people, led by

1115
01:03:55.599 --> 01:03:59.119
Captain Nannette right, have been surviving in the game universe,

1116
01:03:59.760 --> 01:04:03.280
but outside they've been doing things to monetize the game

1117
01:04:03.480 --> 01:04:06.880
or right, so they need to go and get credit somehow.

1118
01:04:06.920 --> 01:04:09.760
And the way that they've been doing this because none

1119
01:04:09.800 --> 01:04:12.639
of these characters write, these digital clones, they don't have

1120
01:04:12.679 --> 01:04:15.039
any kind of game tags, right, So they're basically like

1121
01:04:15.239 --> 01:04:18.280
rogue players within the gaming environment. So they've been going

1122
01:04:18.320 --> 01:04:22.840
and finding other players and robbing them, right, which shows

1123
01:04:22.920 --> 01:04:25.320
up out in the real world and the game players

1124
01:04:25.400 --> 01:04:27.639
for them is somebody say, hey, you know, somebody's coming

1125
01:04:27.679 --> 01:04:32.079
out there and you know, robbing us. And they don't

1126
01:04:32.119 --> 01:04:34.679
have a gamer tag what's the deal here, right, which

1127
01:04:34.679 --> 01:04:36.840
doesn't really get too much attention at first in the

1128
01:04:36.880 --> 01:04:39.800
real world, right, And then that is like going, we

1129
01:04:39.880 --> 01:04:42.519
need to figure out a way to get someplace where

1130
01:04:42.519 --> 01:04:46.320
we can have long term survival. And so they conclude

1131
01:04:46.360 --> 01:04:50.760
that if they can get access to the games source code, right,

1132
01:04:50.760 --> 01:04:54.000
the original source code, they can get themselves sent somehow

1133
01:04:54.039 --> 01:04:56.199
to a private server where they don't have to deal

1134
01:04:56.239 --> 01:04:58.639
with any other people, right, they deal with any threats

1135
01:04:58.679 --> 01:05:02.079
and they can just exist. But to do that, they

1136
01:05:02.199 --> 01:05:04.199
need to be able to go back to the CEO guy,

1137
01:05:04.920 --> 01:05:08.159
Lieutenant Walton, But he died sacrificing himself in the Engines

1138
01:05:08.159 --> 01:05:10.840
in the first episode side for the spoiler alert, But

1139
01:05:10.880 --> 01:05:14.920
you've had seven years, where the hell have you been? Meanwhile,

1140
01:05:15.920 --> 01:05:18.800
in the real world, Walton himself is the CEO, right,

1141
01:05:18.920 --> 01:05:22.599
is getting being grilled by an investigative reporter from the

1142
01:05:22.599 --> 01:05:25.280
New York Times about all this stuff there, and he's

1143
01:05:25.320 --> 01:05:28.840
onto the whole fact that there's been you know, illegal

1144
01:05:28.920 --> 01:05:33.119
dna u's going on there. Nanette in the real world,

1145
01:05:33.760 --> 01:05:37.159
she listens in on this interview, right, and she offers

1146
01:05:37.239 --> 01:05:42.199
to help James the CEO, look for these rogue players

1147
01:05:42.440 --> 01:05:47.679
because she knows what's really going on, right, she suspects everything,

1148
01:05:48.400 --> 01:05:51.360
and she is way hip to the whole fact that

1149
01:05:51.440 --> 01:05:55.679
you know, DNA samples, including her own, have been used

1150
01:05:55.800 --> 01:05:58.159
from Robert's apartment, right, which is all the stuff that

1151
01:05:58.199 --> 01:06:01.880
we found from the first episode there. And so she

1152
01:06:02.039 --> 01:06:05.480
tells all this to the CEO, to James, right, and

1153
01:06:05.679 --> 01:06:09.480
so they figure out that that Walton, which is James

1154
01:06:09.480 --> 01:06:14.159
the CEO, has respawn shortly after the crew entered Infinity

1155
01:06:14.199 --> 01:06:17.679
at the end of the of the last episode, and

1156
01:06:17.719 --> 01:06:20.639
they figure out what planet he's on, right, and so

1157
01:06:20.840 --> 01:06:23.800
they choose a planet to go there. That's the whole

1158
01:06:23.920 --> 01:06:26.119
scene that we just saw right where you're seeing Walton

1159
01:06:26.400 --> 01:06:30.000
is basically kind of rebooted, right and respond and he's

1160
01:06:30.039 --> 01:06:32.719
kind of almost living like a caveman right in isolation,

1161
01:06:33.000 --> 01:06:37.400
like castaway with his pet rock, right, which you got

1162
01:06:37.400 --> 01:06:40.159
a whole Yeah, we won't talk about why that hole

1163
01:06:40.239 --> 01:06:42.039
is in the back of that rock. We're not going

1164
01:06:42.119 --> 01:06:45.280
to go there. We'll let everyone else read that for yourselves.

1165
01:06:45.400 --> 01:06:45.599
Right.

1166
01:06:45.719 --> 01:06:49.760
But so they encounter each other, right, and she explains

1167
01:06:49.800 --> 01:06:54.719
the situation to their counterports, right, and it just ends

1168
01:06:54.800 --> 01:07:01.159
up getting very complicated, essentially, back in the real world.

1169
01:07:01.679 --> 01:07:04.559
The important thing to focus on there is the whole

1170
01:07:06.079 --> 01:07:08.920
business of Annette trying to explain to CEO James what's

1171
01:07:08.960 --> 01:07:11.840
going on. Does not go well, right, and so she

1172
01:07:12.079 --> 01:07:14.719
disconnects herself, takes away the game and the controller, and

1173
01:07:14.719 --> 01:07:18.159
she just gives him all kinds of hell leaving the office, right.

1174
01:07:18.239 --> 01:07:20.280
And as she's leaving the office, he's like trying to

1175
01:07:20.320 --> 01:07:23.199
blackmail her into coming back and doing all these different things.

1176
01:07:23.239 --> 01:07:26.119
And in a really shocking scene it's one of the

1177
01:07:26.159 --> 01:07:29.159
best I've ever seen, she's hit by a car and Jesus,

1178
01:07:29.159 --> 01:07:30.320
I just jumped out of my seat.

1179
01:07:30.480 --> 01:07:35.159
I meanwhere dude.

1180
01:07:34.079 --> 01:07:36.119
I mean the edit on that. I mean, we know

1181
01:07:36.559 --> 01:07:39.239
kind of the frontal part of our brain and it's

1182
01:07:39.239 --> 01:07:41.840
a special effect, but Jesus Christ, I was just like,

1183
01:07:41.920 --> 01:07:43.760
it just knocked me out. It was just, you know,

1184
01:07:44.719 --> 01:07:48.159
so shocking. It was just really well done, really well done.

1185
01:07:48.360 --> 01:07:50.400
So she is hit by a car and she's in

1186
01:07:50.400 --> 01:07:55.599
a coma and potentially brain dead, right, and later on

1187
01:07:55.679 --> 01:07:57.559
we're going to find out that there's a lot more

1188
01:07:57.599 --> 01:08:01.199
to that and what's you know, can I tivity possibilities?

1189
01:08:01.239 --> 01:08:05.280
But Walton, you know, Walton, the good guy, Walton in

1190
01:08:05.320 --> 01:08:09.480
the in the game universe. He explains that basically they

1191
01:08:09.519 --> 01:08:13.079
need to go to someplace called the Heart of Infinity. Okay,

1192
01:08:13.280 --> 01:08:16.159
that in the universe of the game looks like a

1193
01:08:16.159 --> 01:08:19.359
big space station, look like a big armillary spinning around, right,

1194
01:08:19.680 --> 01:08:23.119
and that is where the source code is kept. Okay,

1195
01:08:23.159 --> 01:08:28.600
And we get this crazy flashback because we've seen, you know,

1196
01:08:28.680 --> 01:08:33.479
how Robert had been, you know, using the DNA digital

1197
01:08:33.520 --> 01:08:36.439
replicator for his own nefarious purposes. But in this episode

1198
01:08:36.479 --> 01:08:38.960
we find out that that actually came from the CEO

1199
01:08:39.079 --> 01:08:42.920
guy who'd gotten it right, and and you end up

1200
01:08:42.920 --> 01:08:49.039
discovering right that that Robert really had been getting you

1201
01:08:49.119 --> 01:08:50.760
know what, this is part of what warped him and

1202
01:08:50.800 --> 01:08:54.640
made him so screwed up, right, is because the CEO

1203
01:08:54.720 --> 01:08:57.479
wanted to figure out a way to automatically just keep

1204
01:08:57.560 --> 01:09:02.199
generating planets for repetitive game content, to keep expanding things there.

1205
01:09:02.239 --> 01:09:06.399
So he used the illegal DNA cloning device, the digital

1206
01:09:06.399 --> 01:09:11.479
cloning device, to create and trap a digital clone of

1207
01:09:11.600 --> 01:09:17.359
Robert's enslaved consciousness in this depiction of his garage lab

1208
01:09:17.880 --> 01:09:20.520
right well from when they first met, and just keep

1209
01:09:20.560 --> 01:09:24.039
him there for what to him feels like centuries, you know,

1210
01:09:24.680 --> 01:09:30.000
forcing him to update and expand Infinity indefinitely while he

1211
01:09:30.079 --> 01:09:33.239
lives this solitary existence. So and when we see him,

1212
01:09:33.239 --> 01:09:36.000
he's almost like a like you know, like a you know,

1213
01:09:36.079 --> 01:09:38.840
like a twelve year old, right, he's just completely like

1214
01:09:39.039 --> 01:09:41.359
he's like an innocent At first, you can't believe this

1215
01:09:41.520 --> 01:09:44.399
is the same, you know, guy who was just went

1216
01:09:44.479 --> 01:09:46.960
so dark and so evil with everybody else when he

1217
01:09:46.960 --> 01:09:50.119
didn't get his way. But Nanett has to travel there

1218
01:09:50.279 --> 01:09:53.279
and transport in there, and again we're using a lot

1219
01:09:53.319 --> 01:09:55.359
of the same motifs from Star Trek. Right, people are

1220
01:09:55.399 --> 01:09:58.000
able to beam and teleport wherever they need to go. Right,

1221
01:09:58.079 --> 01:10:01.319
So she meets the clone Robert and he's willing to

1222
01:10:01.479 --> 01:10:05.640
help the crew after she explains the situation, right that

1223
01:10:05.680 --> 01:10:10.079
they need to be put into, you know, some other

1224
01:10:10.159 --> 01:10:13.279
kind of private service so they can live without being threatened.

1225
01:10:13.439 --> 01:10:13.600
Right.

1226
01:10:13.600 --> 01:10:15.640
It's complicated plot to hear me describe it, but like

1227
01:10:15.800 --> 01:10:18.880
Eric was saying, you never really lost when you're watching it, right,

1228
01:10:18.960 --> 01:10:22.399
And he basically explains to her that he can do

1229
01:10:22.479 --> 01:10:24.239
two things. He gives her a choice. He goes, we

1230
01:10:24.279 --> 01:10:28.359
can access and then Net's body via the hospital and

1231
01:10:28.479 --> 01:10:31.800
a cerebral implant, and he can merge her consciousness with

1232
01:10:31.880 --> 01:10:35.479
her to revive her in the real world. But if

1233
01:10:35.479 --> 01:10:39.960
he does that, it would basically erase the crew from

1234
01:10:40.039 --> 01:10:43.399
the game and they would just be gone without any

1235
01:10:43.439 --> 01:10:46.279
explanation or knowledge, right, And so she doesn't want to

1236
01:10:46.319 --> 01:10:48.840
do that. She wants to save the crew, right. She

1237
01:10:48.920 --> 01:10:51.800
believes in, you know, kind of doing the more ethical choice,

1238
01:10:51.840 --> 01:10:54.279
if you will, to kind of move into pole universe there.

1239
01:10:54.560 --> 01:10:57.479
She wants to keep the rest of the crew alive.

1240
01:10:57.640 --> 01:11:01.239
And then he actually revealed that actually he can do

1241
01:11:01.359 --> 01:11:03.960
both and that it's like a test, like he's re

1242
01:11:04.119 --> 01:11:08.600
enacting this whole motif from one of the old Callister

1243
01:11:08.680 --> 01:11:10.960
episodes that he loved, where it was like a godlike

1244
01:11:11.039 --> 01:11:13.640
test to see if you were capable of doing the

1245
01:11:13.720 --> 01:11:17.000
right thing right, And and he says that she passed

1246
01:11:17.000 --> 01:11:20.520
that test because actually do both options, and he goes,

1247
01:11:20.560 --> 01:11:23.479
it's okay, I'll copy and paste you so we can

1248
01:11:23.520 --> 01:11:26.119
do both. And then she's like, wait a minute, I

1249
01:11:26.119 --> 01:11:30.199
think you should cut and paste me, right, not copy

1250
01:11:30.239 --> 01:11:33.960
and paste me, because he said, oh, it's no big deal,

1251
01:11:34.000 --> 01:11:36.640
it's okay. But the reason he wants copy and paste

1252
01:11:36.800 --> 01:11:40.640
is because if he does a copy and paste of Annette,

1253
01:11:40.720 --> 01:11:44.640
then she would be basically creating yet another copy of

1254
01:11:44.680 --> 01:11:48.840
herself to be Robert's companion in the garage for eternity,

1255
01:11:48.920 --> 01:11:51.239
and he's like, I'm a nice guy. I'll treat you well.

1256
01:11:51.279 --> 01:11:53.520
And it's just like the ick factor is just off

1257
01:11:53.560 --> 01:11:56.840
the charts with this, because you're getting to see that

1258
01:11:57.000 --> 01:12:01.520
bad Robert again of you know how he was when

1259
01:12:01.520 --> 01:12:05.479
he was the Captain Robert in the earlier iteration of

1260
01:12:05.479 --> 01:12:08.159
the first episode. So it's just crazy. So they have

1261
01:12:08.199 --> 01:12:10.319
a big fight. I won't spoil how the fight ends,

1262
01:12:10.359 --> 01:12:15.880
but it's awesome. It's pretty exciting. And James meanwhile has

1263
01:12:15.880 --> 01:12:18.680
gone back in the game posing is his counterpart there,

1264
01:12:18.680 --> 01:12:21.560
and he sends out an invite to all players that

1265
01:12:21.600 --> 01:12:23.800
the crew had robbed, and then he exits the game

1266
01:12:23.880 --> 01:12:28.399
to create more of a threat for them. But in

1267
01:12:28.439 --> 01:12:33.239
the course of the struggle, something happens that basically incapacitates Robert,

1268
01:12:33.520 --> 01:12:38.319
and it is like, to borrow the word that v

1269
01:12:38.479 --> 01:12:40.840
had said, it's basically like a kill switch, right, and

1270
01:12:40.880 --> 01:12:44.319
so if he's not around to initiate things anymore, it

1271
01:12:44.439 --> 01:12:48.239
deletes the entire game, and so it's like a race

1272
01:12:48.279 --> 01:12:52.239
against the clock there, and it all works out because

1273
01:12:52.239 --> 01:12:54.760
she's able to find the way to put the disc

1274
01:12:54.840 --> 01:12:57.760
into the machine that lets everything for both her and

1275
01:12:57.840 --> 01:13:04.840
herself and herpaigns surfive. But she wakes up in the hospital, right,

1276
01:13:05.079 --> 01:13:08.960
and she's alive and she's not brain dead. Her consciousness

1277
01:13:08.960 --> 01:13:11.680
is melded with her own consciousness of her body in

1278
01:13:11.720 --> 01:13:16.359
the hospital, and it is also co inhabited by the

1279
01:13:16.479 --> 01:13:19.239
entire Callister crew, who where they're looking at the main

1280
01:13:19.319 --> 01:13:23.119
view screen of the ship, they're seeing from her eyesight

1281
01:13:23.239 --> 01:13:27.840
potential looking in the bathroom mirror at the hospital. And meanwhile,

1282
01:13:28.279 --> 01:13:30.880
the whole of Infinity and all backups have been wiped

1283
01:13:30.960 --> 01:13:33.680
from the server, right, So it's just wild. And then

1284
01:13:33.720 --> 01:13:37.880
we see CEO James get arrested from the FBI, and

1285
01:13:37.880 --> 01:13:41.399
there's all this come uppe's there and it's basically this

1286
01:13:41.560 --> 01:13:45.600
form of them coexisting together inside of her head, right,

1287
01:13:45.680 --> 01:13:49.359
And they agree to you know, close their eyes while

1288
01:13:49.359 --> 01:13:52.279
she goes to the bathroom or have sex with kinder

1289
01:13:52.399 --> 01:13:58.359
date what her describes. And the payment for that is

1290
01:13:58.359 --> 01:14:00.800
whenever they want to watch their favorite show, Real Housewives

1291
01:14:00.800 --> 01:14:03.399
of Atlanta, they get to watch through her eyes. So

1292
01:14:03.560 --> 01:14:07.720
it's a crazy ending to things. I know how complicated

1293
01:14:07.760 --> 01:14:10.239
that all sounds, but it works beautifully.

1294
01:14:10.960 --> 01:14:11.319
It is.

1295
01:14:11.600 --> 01:14:13.800
I please fight me if you think I'm wrong, but

1296
01:14:13.840 --> 01:14:17.119
I think it's incredibly well written and clever, and it's

1297
01:14:17.199 --> 01:14:21.239
just beautifully mapped out and very very smart storytelling. And

1298
01:14:21.800 --> 01:14:26.279
it's hilarious when it needs to be and disturbing often

1299
01:14:26.319 --> 01:14:27.800
as well. But I just thought it was a great

1300
01:14:27.960 --> 01:14:31.079
It easily lived up to the level of the storytelling

1301
01:14:31.159 --> 01:14:34.199
and the premise from the first episode. Would you all agree, Eric,

1302
01:14:34.279 --> 01:14:35.520
my friend what say that?

1303
01:14:36.520 --> 01:14:40.199
I would say that it was right on par the

1304
01:14:41.920 --> 01:14:44.039
I found the ending just a little bit cheesy, But

1305
01:14:44.159 --> 01:14:48.600
here is what I think was on par At the

1306
01:14:48.720 --> 01:14:50.600
end of the first episode, we're kind of left with

1307
01:14:50.680 --> 01:14:53.680
this feeling of like, oh, everything's going to be okay,

1308
01:14:53.800 --> 01:14:56.000
because now they have control of the ship, and now

1309
01:14:56.039 --> 01:14:58.439
they're in this universe where they can go and they

1310
01:14:58.439 --> 01:15:00.359
can do whatever they want, and they've been say from

1311
01:15:00.399 --> 01:15:03.319
the bad Guy and the bad Guy's dead boom done.

1312
01:15:03.800 --> 01:15:08.119
But in fact, what they learn is that the world

1313
01:15:08.279 --> 01:15:11.159
that they live in is full of bad full of

1314
01:15:11.239 --> 01:15:14.319
people who want to haunt them down. It's full of

1315
01:15:14.359 --> 01:15:16.960
people who just want to kill other people, which I

1316
01:15:16.960 --> 01:15:21.359
think is like a super strong corollary to why a

1317
01:15:21.399 --> 01:15:23.800
lot of people play video games these days. It's always

1318
01:15:23.880 --> 01:15:28.680
kind of fascinated me that that things like sex in

1319
01:15:28.720 --> 01:15:31.960
the United States are taboo, but things like violence are

1320
01:15:32.000 --> 01:15:34.520
not taboo, and you can be as violent as you

1321
01:15:34.560 --> 01:15:36.640
want and it doesn't really matter. And I think there's

1322
01:15:36.720 --> 01:15:39.479
no other place that that comes out more than in

1323
01:15:39.560 --> 01:15:42.960
video games. And this episode kind of picks up on that.

1324
01:15:44.039 --> 01:15:46.920
You know, we learn that the digital clones are not

1325
01:15:47.079 --> 01:15:49.439
like the other players in the game, right, They actually

1326
01:15:49.479 --> 01:15:51.199
bleed when they.

1327
01:15:52.560 --> 01:15:53.399
Get shot.

1328
01:15:53.560 --> 01:15:57.680
They have one life, they won't regenerate if they die.

1329
01:15:59.640 --> 01:16:04.279
They because the game has been monetized so much, they

1330
01:16:04.359 --> 01:16:08.800
literally can't live because they have no good way other

1331
01:16:08.880 --> 01:16:11.720
than stealing from other people to make money because they

1332
01:16:11.720 --> 01:16:12.680
don't live in the real world.

1333
01:16:12.720 --> 01:16:13.319
They don't have.

1334
01:16:13.399 --> 01:16:18.439
Real jobs and that sort of thing. And there's one moment,

1335
01:16:19.880 --> 01:16:23.159
you know, where somebody starts calling them illegals and then

1336
01:16:23.279 --> 01:16:27.800
the real Robert, not Robert, the real Walton character, you know,

1337
01:16:28.560 --> 01:16:30.520
there's that moment where he like grabs a gun and

1338
01:16:30.560 --> 01:16:33.039
starts shooting people and says they're all illegals and that

1339
01:16:33.119 --> 01:16:38.319
kind of stuff. Oh man, that one just really hit home,

1340
01:16:38.359 --> 01:16:40.920
and you start to kind of see like the the

1341
01:16:40.920 --> 01:16:45.760
the parallels between other groups of what people call illegals

1342
01:16:45.760 --> 01:16:47.880
and the way that they treat them and that they

1343
01:16:47.880 --> 01:16:53.119
don't necessarily treat them like human beings. So I thought

1344
01:16:53.119 --> 01:16:55.640
it was fascinating in this episode that the whole crew

1345
01:16:55.760 --> 01:16:59.439
is referred to as illegals, and I just think that

1346
01:16:59.520 --> 01:17:03.720
was really cool. I completely agree on the car hitting

1347
01:17:03.800 --> 01:17:04.640
her scene.

1348
01:17:04.760 --> 01:17:09.279
I was shocked. I literally gasped out loud and was like, what.

1349
01:17:10.079 --> 01:17:17.000
Like, what the hell just happened? So moving moving on

1350
01:17:17.119 --> 01:17:20.439
from that though, there's this whole idea of, like, so

1351
01:17:20.479 --> 01:17:24.680
the the Robert Daly clone that is the center of

1352
01:17:24.840 --> 01:17:29.880
this universe. There's this idea of kind of like what

1353
01:17:30.000 --> 01:17:34.000
is creating a universe actually mean? And I love that

1354
01:17:34.079 --> 01:17:36.359
this kind of gives you this this episode in particular,

1355
01:17:36.399 --> 01:17:40.640
it gives you kind of the backstory of of infinity

1356
01:17:40.920 --> 01:17:42.520
and like where did it come from? What happened when

1357
01:17:42.520 --> 01:17:44.960
these two guys met each other, you know, the Walton

1358
01:17:45.159 --> 01:17:49.000
like comes to Daily's garage because he's got a bunch

1359
01:17:49.000 --> 01:17:51.479
of money that he wants to spend and he experiences

1360
01:17:51.520 --> 01:17:54.319
this thing for the first time, and he's like, how.

1361
01:17:54.159 --> 01:17:54.960
Many plants he got.

1362
01:17:55.000 --> 01:17:56.760
He's like, I got four planets, and he's like, we

1363
01:17:56.800 --> 01:18:00.159
need fifty, we need one hundred, and so you you

1364
01:18:00.199 --> 01:18:04.960
see immediately the kind of greed that drives Walton into

1365
01:18:05.039 --> 01:18:07.960
wanting to invest in this company because he sees it

1366
01:18:08.000 --> 01:18:11.039
as an opportunity to make more money. He says something

1367
01:18:11.079 --> 01:18:15.840
about this is gold or or something like that. So

1368
01:18:15.960 --> 01:18:20.439
his intentions, Walton's intentions are never ever good, never good.

1369
01:18:20.840 --> 01:18:25.600
They always are about making money and about being greedy.

1370
01:18:26.560 --> 01:18:29.359
And I love that this episode gives him the arc

1371
01:18:29.600 --> 01:18:32.039
that he sort of deserves, where he starts out as

1372
01:18:32.079 --> 01:18:35.760
a super greedy bastard in that first episode. And also,

1373
01:18:36.039 --> 01:18:39.439
I mean, the virtual version of himself is shit upon, right,

1374
01:18:39.520 --> 01:18:41.880
But like that's kind of the point. But then in

1375
01:18:41.920 --> 01:18:43.760
the second episode you see the real guy and he

1376
01:18:43.800 --> 01:18:47.399
kind of moves from being that greedy bastard to actually

1377
01:18:47.439 --> 01:18:50.960
having some redeeming qualities. I guess it's not unlike his

1378
01:18:51.079 --> 01:18:52.720
virtual character in the first one, now that I think

1379
01:18:52.720 --> 01:18:54.920
about it, because his virtual character kind of saves them

1380
01:18:54.960 --> 01:18:57.640
at the end of the first episode, right, So he

1381
01:18:57.680 --> 01:19:00.600
actually has kind of like two redemption arcs in these

1382
01:19:00.640 --> 01:19:03.319
two episodes, which is which is the kind of cool thing.

1383
01:19:04.960 --> 01:19:08.239
I love how they flipped the story around. And initially

1384
01:19:08.479 --> 01:19:12.760
when uh Nannette gets to the center of the thing

1385
01:19:12.840 --> 01:19:15.479
and she meets Daily, it seems like they've kind of

1386
01:19:15.479 --> 01:19:18.199
flipped the paradigm where Daily is not the creepy, weird

1387
01:19:18.239 --> 01:19:22.880
guy anymore and he's actually the benevolent, like simple center

1388
01:19:22.960 --> 01:19:25.079
of this thing, and Walton's the bad guy who's been

1389
01:19:25.159 --> 01:19:27.000
kind of like keeping him under his yoke and that.

1390
01:19:26.960 --> 01:19:27.600
Sort of stuff.

1391
01:19:28.600 --> 01:19:32.520
But then they slowly evolve that story and make him

1392
01:19:32.560 --> 01:19:37.479
creepy again. So man, just the like storytelling there where

1393
01:19:37.520 --> 01:19:39.840
you're you don't know how to feel about this guy.

1394
01:19:39.880 --> 01:19:41.960
You super hated him in the first episode, and then

1395
01:19:41.960 --> 01:19:43.880
the second episode comes along and you finally meet the

1396
01:19:43.920 --> 01:19:46.640
real guy and you're kind of like, okay, it's oh

1397
01:19:46.680 --> 01:19:49.000
he's really he's just really like a cool.

1398
01:19:49.199 --> 01:19:55.239
Holy shit, he's not a cool so I love you

1399
01:19:54.399 --> 01:19:56.800
and you feel sorry for him for a while.

1400
01:19:56.920 --> 01:19:59.079
You're you know, you're totally feel sorry for him.

1401
01:19:59.680 --> 01:20:04.000
They good manage this gentle guy in your in your

1402
01:20:04.079 --> 01:20:08.039
in your garage with your collectibles you and then you

1403
01:20:08.079 --> 01:20:11.439
realize it's just like oh god, right, it's just like yeah,

1404
01:20:11.520 --> 01:20:14.239
it's just like it's just like God help you if

1405
01:20:14.279 --> 01:20:15.039
you disagree with them.

1406
01:20:15.079 --> 01:20:17.039
So it's kind of the age old story of like

1407
01:20:17.159 --> 01:20:21.680
absolute power corrupts absolutely right. You can't possibly give any

1408
01:20:21.760 --> 01:20:24.560
human being that much power and expect them to not

1409
01:20:25.479 --> 01:20:29.239
exploit that power. And I think that's exactly what Daily

1410
01:20:29.359 --> 01:20:32.560
is shown as doing, uh in this episode.

1411
01:20:34.640 --> 01:20:36.399
Let's see other things.

1412
01:20:36.479 --> 01:20:39.520
I mean, it kind of has the So let's talk

1413
01:20:39.560 --> 01:20:42.199
about the ending a little bit. In my opinion, it

1414
01:20:42.239 --> 01:20:46.359
has kind of that what I'll call the American ending

1415
01:20:46.560 --> 01:20:49.159
that I often talk about, which is that everything's okay

1416
01:20:49.199 --> 01:20:51.680
at the end, right, like Infinity is.

1417
01:20:51.600 --> 01:20:56.119
Destroyed, the.

1418
01:20:55.920 --> 01:20:58.199
The people all make it out and they're in her head,

1419
01:20:59.319 --> 01:21:03.359
so they're kind of safe. The gamers can't game anymore.

1420
01:21:04.279 --> 01:21:11.039
Daily's not there anymore. Virtual Walton. Is he he's gone

1421
01:21:11.039 --> 01:21:11.399
at the end?

1422
01:21:11.479 --> 01:21:11.640
Right?

1423
01:21:11.840 --> 01:21:14.439
Do we not have virtual Walton anymore? Is he still

1424
01:21:14.479 --> 01:21:18.199
on the couster? Maybe that maybe I'm he's still there, okay,

1425
01:21:18.279 --> 01:21:23.159
So he's so he's still there, Okay, So I thought

1426
01:21:23.199 --> 01:21:25.800
that was okay. It was just the way that they

1427
01:21:25.920 --> 01:21:28.560
handled them, kind of being in her head and the

1428
01:21:28.560 --> 01:21:30.680
fact that every time she moves the ship kind of

1429
01:21:30.680 --> 01:21:34.560
goes bah. I just like that particular part of it

1430
01:21:34.600 --> 01:21:36.960
was a little cheesy, but it wasn't enough for me

1431
01:21:37.199 --> 01:21:39.159
to get pulled out of the episode and say, oh,

1432
01:21:39.199 --> 01:21:42.159
this is drunk. I really hated it so so the

1433
01:21:42.319 --> 01:21:45.760
very very end was cheesy to me, but the rest

1434
01:21:45.800 --> 01:21:50.159
of it was a fantastic sequel to the first episode

1435
01:21:50.279 --> 01:21:53.119
and kind of like permutating on all of those concepts

1436
01:21:53.159 --> 01:21:55.600
that we had set up at the at the very beginning.

1437
01:21:55.720 --> 01:22:00.039
So I agree, Paul, it's not like quite like a

1438
01:22:00.039 --> 01:22:04.359
alien Aliens where the second one's better, but definitely on

1439
01:22:04.479 --> 01:22:07.840
par Yeah, yeah.

1440
01:22:07.439 --> 01:22:10.560
Would you be interested? Do you think there's enough juice

1441
01:22:10.600 --> 01:22:13.359
in the tank to explore this universe more and do

1442
01:22:13.399 --> 01:22:15.079
a third episode?

1443
01:22:15.880 --> 01:22:18.439
Well, okay, so if they did that, it would be

1444
01:22:18.520 --> 01:22:20.640
kind of a post Infinity.

1445
01:22:22.039 --> 01:22:22.640
Episode.

1446
01:22:22.840 --> 01:22:24.680
And so what does that look like. I mean, it's

1447
01:22:24.720 --> 01:22:30.199
probably like a different version of Infinity, right because unless

1448
01:22:30.239 --> 01:22:32.920
it's unless it's a story about how to get them

1449
01:22:32.920 --> 01:22:35.880
out of her head and into the real world. I

1450
01:22:36.000 --> 01:22:40.520
just I don't know, conceptually speaking the way that it

1451
01:22:40.760 --> 01:22:44.239
was written there. If the writers were really really good,

1452
01:22:44.239 --> 01:22:46.119
maybe you could do it, But it just doesn't feel

1453
01:22:46.159 --> 01:22:50.159
like there's quite enough there to like make number three

1454
01:22:50.199 --> 01:22:51.399
as good as the first couple.

1455
01:22:51.560 --> 01:22:54.640
Yeah, I would say, I mean, I think that the

1456
01:22:54.640 --> 01:22:56.600
demand is going to be there for sure, people are

1457
01:22:56.600 --> 01:22:58.840
going to because I think this thing's got a great response.

1458
01:22:59.479 --> 01:23:01.960
I would say, don't do it unless you can figure

1459
01:23:01.960 --> 01:23:05.079
out a way to bring back the Robert Daily character

1460
01:23:05.199 --> 01:23:09.600
in some form, right, because he's Plemmens is just the

1461
01:23:09.640 --> 01:23:12.560
heart of this thing. I think he's just so fantastic.

1462
01:23:12.600 --> 01:23:14.479
And when we went into the start of this, we

1463
01:23:14.520 --> 01:23:16.239
didn't know and we said, oh, he was killed in

1464
01:23:16.279 --> 01:23:18.920
the end of the first one, right, and we're seeing

1465
01:23:18.960 --> 01:23:22.199
his memorial on the desk at Callister Corporation, right, we

1466
01:23:22.279 --> 01:23:25.119
figured he's dead. And so it was very surprising the

1467
01:23:25.159 --> 01:23:27.239
way they came up with an idea that we could

1468
01:23:27.279 --> 01:23:30.560
still have that character. Did not see that coming. So

1469
01:23:30.680 --> 01:23:33.600
hopefully they could come up with something, you know, equally

1470
01:23:33.600 --> 01:23:36.880
clever to keep him coming back again in a new way.

1471
01:23:36.960 --> 01:23:39.479
That was surprising as well. But I don't know that

1472
01:23:39.520 --> 01:23:42.520
I want to see it without without Plemmens, because he's

1473
01:23:42.560 --> 01:23:46.199
just so he's just such a gem.

1474
01:23:46.520 --> 01:23:48.840
I mean, in some way, in some ways a reference

1475
01:23:48.880 --> 01:23:50.880
what Charles was talking about earlier. So if you haven't

1476
01:23:51.319 --> 01:23:53.279
if you like science fiction books and you haven't read

1477
01:23:53.279 --> 01:23:56.000
Ready Player one, you probably should read it, But they

1478
01:23:56.079 --> 01:23:59.600
did write a Ready Player two, and like at the

1479
01:23:59.680 --> 01:24:01.520
end of the first book, you kind of feel like

1480
01:24:01.800 --> 01:24:04.960
everything's all sewn up. This has done the story. That

1481
01:24:05.039 --> 01:24:06.960
was a great story, and then Ready Player two comes

1482
01:24:07.000 --> 01:24:10.000
along and it kind of tries to like take you

1483
01:24:10.079 --> 01:24:14.039
back there and tell another story that's in the same

1484
01:24:14.119 --> 01:24:16.520
kind of universe, but it never quite gets there, right,

1485
01:24:16.640 --> 01:24:19.560
So I kind of I'm almost like, don't mess with

1486
01:24:19.600 --> 01:24:24.520
perfection at these first that are so good, just don't

1487
01:24:24.520 --> 01:24:24.880
go there.

1488
01:24:25.760 --> 01:24:27.399
And I think they're gonna have a really hard time

1489
01:24:27.439 --> 01:24:30.520
because these actors have just all shown what they can do.

1490
01:24:30.760 --> 01:24:35.000
And you know, I think Kristin Miliodi is on her

1491
01:24:35.000 --> 01:24:37.279
way to freaking a list town. I mean she is.

1492
01:24:37.520 --> 01:24:39.159
I mean, I don't think she's going to be having

1493
01:24:39.159 --> 01:24:41.079
a free moment, you know. And I think the same

1494
01:24:41.119 --> 01:24:44.920
could be said for Jimmy Simpson, right, Jimmy Simpons and Simpsons.

1495
01:24:45.000 --> 01:24:47.760
He's like the next Walton Goggins. I think he's just

1496
01:24:47.880 --> 01:24:52.119
you know, he's a phenomenal and Plemings is you know,

1497
01:24:52.279 --> 01:24:55.000
I mean, he's already done Scorsese movies. Get out of Town,

1498
01:24:55.119 --> 01:24:57.199
I mean it's just crazy. So who.

1499
01:24:58.720 --> 01:25:01.399
This was going to be a series and that's they

1500
01:25:01.399 --> 01:25:03.600
were gonna they were going to take it into a series,

1501
01:25:03.600 --> 01:25:07.840
but COVID came, the strike came, this happened, That happened.

1502
01:25:08.279 --> 01:25:11.840
Uh, so we ended up with what we have now

1503
01:25:11.960 --> 01:25:12.800
and no series.

1504
01:25:13.239 --> 01:25:15.920
So would it have been different as a series versus

1505
01:25:16.079 --> 01:25:20.399
as a two part episode, I don't know. I don't know,

1506
01:25:20.439 --> 01:25:22.840
but I enjoyed it. I thought it was it was

1507
01:25:23.119 --> 01:25:26.720
poetic justice that when she gets to the Center of Infinity,

1508
01:25:27.600 --> 01:25:31.640
the same dude that is illegally cloning people in the

1509
01:25:31.680 --> 01:25:35.600
real world is a clone of himself and he's torturing

1510
01:25:35.600 --> 01:25:39.000
his own clone on the ship. And did he even

1511
01:25:39.079 --> 01:25:41.960
know that there was a clone of himself in there already?

1512
01:25:43.079 --> 01:25:43.880
Was he aware of that?

1513
01:25:45.760 --> 01:25:48.520
I mean, the theo the uh?

1514
01:25:48.560 --> 01:25:50.560
I mean he the what I read off of it

1515
01:25:50.640 --> 01:25:53.560
was that he I mean, they showed the scene where

1516
01:25:53.680 --> 01:25:56.239
he's getting swabbed by Walton, right, so he's aware that

1517
01:25:56.279 --> 01:25:59.279
Walton took his DNA. I wasn't sure if he was

1518
01:25:59.319 --> 01:26:02.880
aware that he actually was the center of the Infinity

1519
01:26:02.960 --> 01:26:03.600
universe or not.

1520
01:26:03.920 --> 01:26:06.920
Yeah, I wasn't sure if he knew that at all,

1521
01:26:07.439 --> 01:26:08.439
and if he knew that.

1522
01:26:08.720 --> 01:26:10.520
I think he is, because he at one point he

1523
01:26:10.520 --> 01:26:12.520
talks about how he just I don't know how time

1524
01:26:12.560 --> 01:26:14.800
works here it seems like five hundred years, right. I

1525
01:26:14.800 --> 01:26:16.079
think he I think he knows.

1526
01:26:16.079 --> 01:26:19.399
Because I just thought, like, here here is the clone

1527
01:26:20.199 --> 01:26:24.720
of the clone torturing people on the Calister, and then

1528
01:26:25.439 --> 01:26:28.800
here's another clone of the clone who's creating a world

1529
01:26:29.000 --> 01:26:30.039
torture more people.

1530
01:26:30.359 --> 01:26:33.399
So you know, I mean it's an out of sight,

1531
01:26:33.479 --> 01:26:35.359
out of mind kind of thing, Jim, or Yeah, Like

1532
01:26:35.439 --> 01:26:38.239
if he doesn't see himself being tortured directly, then it

1533
01:26:38.279 --> 01:26:38.960
doesn't exist.

1534
01:26:39.079 --> 01:26:42.159
Yeah, because he's he's like, all, oh, I'm a poor

1535
01:26:42.199 --> 01:26:46.199
guy in a garage, blah blah blah. But here he

1536
01:26:46.319 --> 01:26:50.359
is torturing people on the Calister. So I wasn't sure

1537
01:26:50.399 --> 01:26:53.159
if he knew that the other hymn was doing that

1538
01:26:53.399 --> 01:26:54.279
or if he didn't know.

1539
01:26:55.000 --> 01:26:56.079
I don't know, but.

1540
01:26:56.239 --> 01:26:57.079
Jim, he didn't.

1541
01:26:57.159 --> 01:26:57.640
I don't think that.

1542
01:26:57.800 --> 01:26:59.600
I don't think the guy in the garage knows about

1543
01:26:59.600 --> 01:27:00.439
the camp and.

1544
01:27:00.239 --> 01:27:00.800
He didn't know.

1545
01:27:03.039 --> 01:27:04.560
I'll talk about when I get to it.

1546
01:27:05.399 --> 01:27:08.960
I found it fascinating the differences between the people on

1547
01:27:09.039 --> 01:27:12.640
the ship that were cloned versus their versions of themselves

1548
01:27:12.720 --> 01:27:16.319
in reality, like you know, and then that the woman

1549
01:27:16.319 --> 01:27:20.079
who gets hit by the car, she's positive, she's you know,

1550
01:27:20.319 --> 01:27:23.199
the captain of the ship, but in reality we saw

1551
01:27:23.239 --> 01:27:24.439
her falling down the mountain.

1552
01:27:24.479 --> 01:27:25.399
She can barely walk.

1553
01:27:25.479 --> 01:27:30.079
She's practically inept, but because she was raised, its nature

1554
01:27:30.159 --> 01:27:33.399
versus nurture, and we see that on fold. The CEO

1555
01:27:33.479 --> 01:27:37.079
of the company is a real dink, but in the

1556
01:27:37.159 --> 01:27:40.760
game he's not. He's like some dude that you'd want

1557
01:27:40.800 --> 01:27:44.760
to hang out with. He sacrifices himself to save them.

1558
01:27:45.119 --> 01:27:47.319
I don't think the CEO guy in the real world

1559
01:27:47.439 --> 01:27:48.439
would have done.

1560
01:27:48.239 --> 01:27:52.239
That same thing. So I really, I really.

1561
01:27:52.000 --> 01:27:55.279
Liked seeing the differences between the characters that we see

1562
01:27:55.319 --> 01:27:58.640
in the real world versus them in the video world,

1563
01:27:58.720 --> 01:28:03.279
and how they're circumstances forced them to be better people

1564
01:28:04.720 --> 01:28:07.960
and work together as a team and basically be a family,

1565
01:28:08.000 --> 01:28:12.800
a starship crew, where those same people in reality were

1566
01:28:13.560 --> 01:28:19.760
nothing like that because reality had twisted them into something different.

1567
01:28:19.840 --> 01:28:23.840
So I thought that was really really awesome about the episode.

1568
01:28:23.880 --> 01:28:25.399
But what were you going to say, Charles.

1569
01:28:26.760 --> 01:28:32.119
Okay, in episode one, he would not have known about

1570
01:28:32.720 --> 01:28:37.159
his Daily, would have not known about his clone because

1571
01:28:38.399 --> 01:28:43.800
Daily was part of the main server where the callister

1572
01:28:44.239 --> 01:28:49.359
was in his private server that did not have access

1573
01:28:49.399 --> 01:28:55.279
to the main server. When he destroyed, well, he destroyed

1574
01:28:55.359 --> 01:29:02.880
when the server, when the patch erases the copy and

1575
01:29:02.920 --> 01:29:06.960
erases him. He did not realize that exists because they

1576
01:29:07.119 --> 01:29:13.920
pass on on the server. So I don't think he

1577
01:29:14.000 --> 01:29:18.159
knew about the original Calister crew and the way it

1578
01:29:18.199 --> 01:29:20.359
worked because I was a private server that he did

1579
01:29:20.359 --> 01:29:21.319
not have access to.

1580
01:29:22.319 --> 01:29:25.000
Well, it was it was a timing issue. Infinity started

1581
01:29:25.079 --> 01:29:29.199
up before the USS Calister was formed, so right, you know,

1582
01:29:29.640 --> 01:29:31.960
the guy who runs the middle of Infinity was there

1583
01:29:32.039 --> 01:29:34.000
long before any of the other stuff happened.

1584
01:29:34.319 --> 01:29:42.199
Yes, but why do we talk about how evil Walton is. Well,

1585
01:29:42.239 --> 01:29:44.600
one of the things we didn't mention was the fact

1586
01:29:44.840 --> 01:29:51.199
that he's he's pestered by a reporter and we find

1587
01:29:51.199 --> 01:29:56.760
out from this reporter that they the topic of cloning

1588
01:29:56.920 --> 01:30:00.680
comes up, and he could bely denies it. Well why

1589
01:30:00.760 --> 01:30:05.840
is he deny it? Because the cloning of taking somebody's

1590
01:30:06.039 --> 01:30:09.840
DNA and putting it into a system is considered at

1591
01:30:09.840 --> 01:30:15.560
that time illegal. So that's where it gets interesting because

1592
01:30:16.600 --> 01:30:20.399
he does not daily does not want to get caught

1593
01:30:21.319 --> 01:30:26.039
with the charge of cloning anyone, which he didn't clone

1594
01:30:26.279 --> 01:30:32.159
the Callistar crew. He cloned his employee in the system,

1595
01:30:32.279 --> 01:30:36.840
so he still was illegally cloning somebody, which was against

1596
01:30:36.840 --> 01:30:40.920
the law, which is why he finally was captured by

1597
01:30:41.000 --> 01:30:44.039
police a couple of years later when he tried to

1598
01:30:44.159 --> 01:30:52.119
escape capture. So that's an interesting little ethical discussion there

1599
01:30:53.079 --> 01:30:58.479
is what the what's the uh, what's the right of

1600
01:30:58.560 --> 01:31:04.680
taking somebody's DNA and put in digitizing it for your

1601
01:31:04.720 --> 01:31:11.439
own use, which is an interesting topic in itself. This

1602
01:31:11.600 --> 01:31:17.000
one definitely I agree with both gentlemen that this series,

1603
01:31:17.000 --> 01:31:21.319
we're just both episodes were so well done and such

1604
01:31:21.319 --> 01:31:27.159
an interesting ethical point of view and discussion, but the

1605
01:31:27.279 --> 01:31:32.119
definitely how they do it was definitely worth it.

1606
01:31:34.039 --> 01:31:34.800
Yeah for sure.

1607
01:31:35.199 --> 01:31:37.239
V What about you, what did you think about the

1608
01:31:37.319 --> 01:31:38.359
second episode?

1609
01:31:38.920 --> 01:31:41.039
Well, I mean you all have pretty much said it.

1610
01:31:41.640 --> 01:31:45.760
I really I did enjoy it. When what's his name

1611
01:31:45.840 --> 01:31:49.159
Walton when they find him, you know, looking like he's

1612
01:31:49.199 --> 01:31:54.439
on castaway. Those moments just cracked me up. Where he says, oh,

1613
01:31:54.479 --> 01:31:57.199
I can't leave Rocky behind and get some you know,

1614
01:31:57.279 --> 01:31:59.560
She's like, oh, what's this hole? And then she drops

1615
01:32:01.279 --> 01:32:04.920
when she realizes but oh, actually before I know what

1616
01:32:04.920 --> 01:32:08.439
what grossed me out was when he's running into the

1617
01:32:08.920 --> 01:32:12.319
water and he captures that squid thing and he's just

1618
01:32:12.359 --> 01:32:15.800
like tearing it apart. And then for the rest of

1619
01:32:15.840 --> 01:32:19.960
the when he's he's got that blue gore on this beard,

1620
01:32:19.960 --> 01:32:21.880
and every time I saw that, I just went bath.

1621
01:32:22.520 --> 01:32:26.960
That was that just was hilarious and you know, just

1622
01:32:27.640 --> 01:32:30.000
wrong at the same time. But I do think I

1623
01:32:30.000 --> 01:32:31.760
think when she got hit by the car, which I

1624
01:32:31.760 --> 01:32:35.760
agree with everybody, that I gasped out loud too, and I.

1625
01:32:35.720 --> 01:32:36.680
Thought she was dead.

1626
01:32:37.359 --> 01:32:41.640
But I thought in the hospital that she was technically

1627
01:32:41.680 --> 01:32:46.800
brain dead. There was no activity, which is why getting

1628
01:32:46.880 --> 01:32:52.600
the her you know, digital clone that would have brought

1629
01:32:52.640 --> 01:32:56.039
her back to life, so to speak, in the real world.

1630
01:32:56.960 --> 01:32:58.399
But it was a little bit it was a little

1631
01:32:58.399 --> 01:33:01.199
bit weird when you know, when I see that they're

1632
01:33:01.239 --> 01:33:06.560
inside her head, I thought, come on, the only way

1633
01:33:06.600 --> 01:33:10.680
they could that I could see that they could you

1634
01:33:10.840 --> 01:33:14.319
get out of her head is if you created I'm

1635
01:33:14.359 --> 01:33:18.199
thinking of, you know, Vic Fontaine's holideck work, because he

1636
01:33:19.680 --> 01:33:23.800
if you remember when in It's Only a Paper Moon.

1637
01:33:24.760 --> 01:33:27.840
As a thanks to Vic for basically saving his life,

1638
01:33:27.920 --> 01:33:30.920
nog arranges so that the program is on twenty six

1639
01:33:30.960 --> 01:33:34.920
hours a day, and so he gets to live his life.

1640
01:33:35.640 --> 01:33:37.079
So that's the only way they could do about I

1641
01:33:37.079 --> 01:33:39.920
don't think they have enough to you know, make a

1642
01:33:39.960 --> 01:33:44.720
third episode. I think you'll are right. Oh that's that's

1643
01:33:44.720 --> 01:33:45.079
my take.

1644
01:33:45.199 --> 01:33:48.920
It brings up an interesting question though, if if the

1645
01:33:48.960 --> 01:33:52.039
real life versions of the crew that are living in

1646
01:33:52.079 --> 01:33:56.199
her head die, then they could beam the people or

1647
01:33:56.359 --> 01:33:59.840
whatever out of her head and into the bodies of

1648
01:34:00.239 --> 01:34:02.920
actual people in real life and bring them back to

1649
01:34:03.000 --> 01:34:04.119
life like they did to her.

1650
01:34:04.239 --> 01:34:04.399
Right.

1651
01:34:05.279 --> 01:34:09.520
Theoretically, well, it's a little unclear on how things age

1652
01:34:09.720 --> 01:34:13.159
in the virtual world. I'm not really sure, Like they

1653
01:34:13.199 --> 01:34:16.520
didn't they didn't go into that level of detail to

1654
01:34:16.600 --> 01:34:21.439
let us know. But I what, like what I agree

1655
01:34:21.439 --> 01:34:26.520
with what V was saying, because the Sonnette had brain damage, right,

1656
01:34:26.800 --> 01:34:31.159
and brain brain damage caused by physical trauma. So theoretically

1657
01:34:31.159 --> 01:34:34.560
her brain is like scrambled, and yet they somehow find

1658
01:34:34.560 --> 01:34:36.079
a way to like make it all work by just

1659
01:34:36.119 --> 01:34:38.439
beaming the consciousness back into it. I think that was

1660
01:34:38.520 --> 01:34:40.880
part of the cheese that I found, is like, if

1661
01:34:40.880 --> 01:34:44.600
they had found a way to repair physically repair the tissue, Okay,

1662
01:34:44.760 --> 01:34:46.520
then you know, then I get it.

1663
01:34:46.399 --> 01:34:46.560
But.

1664
01:34:48.600 --> 01:34:49.960
Suspension of disbelief there.

1665
01:34:51.600 --> 01:34:56.159
Well, David, it's up to you, buddy.

1666
01:34:57.439 --> 01:35:01.319
Yeah, I I agree with a lot with everybody's been saying.

1667
01:35:01.479 --> 01:35:03.399
And the reason I I was pointing at my watch

1668
01:35:03.439 --> 01:35:06.720
over here was because it reminded me of the doctor's

1669
01:35:06.760 --> 01:35:10.920
mobile mirror, which means that's another way they could potentially

1670
01:35:10.960 --> 01:35:14.399
get them out of into the virtual reality into a

1671
01:35:14.479 --> 01:35:16.880
physical world where they could just wear a Patriot on

1672
01:35:16.920 --> 01:35:17.800
their arms or something.

1673
01:35:18.199 --> 01:35:20.720
Yeah, they could build some kind of like a robot

1674
01:35:20.920 --> 01:35:22.159
or like a hollow.

1675
01:35:22.800 --> 01:35:23.000
Yeah.

1676
01:35:23.359 --> 01:35:26.800
Yeah, so that would be an interesting third episode. I

1677
01:35:27.000 --> 01:35:29.720
could see that had happened. But then Jim mentioned the

1678
01:35:29.760 --> 01:35:33.000
whole idea where they could just like beam or like

1679
01:35:33.079 --> 01:35:35.800
transfer their files who other people bringed, and so I

1680
01:35:35.960 --> 01:35:38.800
was like, that kind of reminds me of the situation

1681
01:35:38.960 --> 01:35:40.960
where I don't know if anybody's aware of this, but

1682
01:35:41.479 --> 01:35:45.039
did you know some of the world population do not

1683
01:35:45.279 --> 01:35:50.119
have monologues in their head, which interesting because that when

1684
01:35:50.119 --> 01:35:52.279
they put them in their head, that reminded me of

1685
01:35:52.359 --> 01:35:54.920
like a monologue that they're talking to themselves kind of thing.

1686
01:35:55.760 --> 01:35:58.800
And so I'm not quite sure what the percentage did,

1687
01:35:58.840 --> 01:36:02.039
but there are some people I no fortunately actually don't

1688
01:36:02.039 --> 01:36:05.560
really have like any kind of they can't seem to

1689
01:36:05.560 --> 01:36:06.279
talk to himself.

1690
01:36:07.640 --> 01:36:11.359
Well, David, I find the whole concept of human consciousness

1691
01:36:11.399 --> 01:36:15.520
distilled down to data to be fascinating, And I think

1692
01:36:15.560 --> 01:36:18.119
we could have an entire episode of Star Trek about that,

1693
01:36:18.319 --> 01:36:22.640
or Start Trek talking about that, because their entire shows

1694
01:36:22.760 --> 01:36:26.760
like Altered Carbon that that talk about that sort of thing,

1695
01:36:26.840 --> 01:36:29.600
like can you take a human consciousness and turn it

1696
01:36:29.640 --> 01:36:31.920
into data in such a way that it can actually

1697
01:36:31.920 --> 01:36:33.119
be transferred to somebody else?

1698
01:36:34.159 --> 01:36:34.600
I don't know.

1699
01:36:35.399 --> 01:36:39.279
Yeah, well didn't they kind of do that in the

1700
01:36:39.359 --> 01:36:44.560
emotion picture with Aliyah where she was her digital self

1701
01:36:44.840 --> 01:36:51.479
or her essence was put into the robot version of Ileiah,

1702
01:36:51.520 --> 01:36:56.439
except with the overlay of the consciousness I guess of vedure.

1703
01:37:00.000 --> 01:37:00.319
Interesting.

1704
01:37:00.359 --> 01:37:03.319
Yeah, there's a lot of things that Star Trek did

1705
01:37:03.720 --> 01:37:07.319
didn't relate to a lot of the sci fi fun

1706
01:37:08.000 --> 01:37:13.119
But overall this particular episode, yeah, it was a lot

1707
01:37:13.159 --> 01:37:15.920
better I think than the first one. It definitely opened

1708
01:37:16.000 --> 01:37:21.800
up a lot more mystery that we were asking ourselves

1709
01:37:21.840 --> 01:37:26.319
way back then, like you know, all the different things

1710
01:37:26.399 --> 01:37:28.520
that if they were to make a second one, we

1711
01:37:28.520 --> 01:37:30.640
were like, okay, So however they do it, and so

1712
01:37:30.760 --> 01:37:33.479
then they did it and it was like wow. But

1713
01:37:33.680 --> 01:37:41.359
other than that, it was h Yeah. I think I

1714
01:37:41.359 --> 01:37:45.479
think my favorite part in that whole episode was that

1715
01:37:45.560 --> 01:37:48.239
whole rock thing, which you just like realized.

1716
01:37:48.239 --> 01:37:50.239
It's just like, I mean, was I the only one

1717
01:37:50.239 --> 01:37:52.520
that when he says we can't leave Rocky behind?

1718
01:37:52.560 --> 01:37:56.479
I was like, yeah, I know, yeah, Wilson.

1719
01:37:56.920 --> 01:38:05.359
Wilson totally yeah, totally cast away.

1720
01:38:05.640 --> 01:38:08.399
Even even the well sort of like what he was

1721
01:38:08.439 --> 01:38:11.439
wearing too was was cast away. But then they they

1722
01:38:11.479 --> 01:38:16.560
took that gross twist with the rock That was just

1723
01:38:16.760 --> 01:38:18.560
the look on her face.

1724
01:38:18.359 --> 01:38:22.319
Could just go, Yeah, they're willing to do crazy ship

1725
01:38:22.359 --> 01:38:23.920
like this on this show, which I like is because

1726
01:38:23.920 --> 01:38:25.520
they're not really very inhibited.

1727
01:38:25.600 --> 01:38:25.680
Right.

1728
01:38:25.720 --> 01:38:27.560
It's at one point they're all back on the ship

1729
01:38:27.600 --> 01:38:31.079
and he's there, uh you know, he's still dressed like, uh,

1730
01:38:31.359 --> 01:38:34.119
you know, his cave man attire, right, and I loved

1731
01:38:34.159 --> 01:38:38.039
Alaska because you're a disgusting right, And he's like, what

1732
01:38:38.039 --> 01:38:40.680
do you mean, I didn't kill anybody. You know, you're disgusting.

1733
01:38:40.960 --> 01:38:41.760
I didn't do anything.

1734
01:38:42.199 --> 01:38:52.600
Ball, Yes, I was gonna I was gonna say that too,

1735
01:38:54.199 --> 01:38:55.680
because that was just the way.

1736
01:38:55.560 --> 01:39:00.159
She said it.

1737
01:39:01.760 --> 01:39:04.479
That was hilarious stuff. So in the midst of all

1738
01:39:04.479 --> 01:39:06.359
this darkness, I just liked that they're willing to just

1739
01:39:06.399 --> 01:39:09.039
go nuts with the humor and just how it right.

1740
01:39:09.079 --> 01:39:11.960
I mean, there's just very, very creative work.

1741
01:39:12.119 --> 01:39:14.079
Definitely had a lot more humor in this one than

1742
01:39:14.119 --> 01:39:14.840
the first one though.

1743
01:39:15.359 --> 01:39:15.720
Yeah.

1744
01:39:15.800 --> 01:39:19.520
Yeah, it's just so funny, so great achievement. I hope

1745
01:39:19.560 --> 01:39:24.000
other creators I see. I've only just recently watched this

1746
01:39:24.079 --> 01:39:26.359
other show. I just wanted to get too far off throw.

1747
01:39:26.439 --> 01:39:29.720
But there's another series on Netflix I've recently called Discovery,

1748
01:39:29.720 --> 01:39:31.000
Go Love, Death and Robots.

1749
01:39:31.079 --> 01:39:33.000
Oh yeah, yeah.

1750
01:39:33.239 --> 01:39:35.720
A lot of short work being done there, a lot

1751
01:39:35.760 --> 01:39:38.359
of short films, right, And it seems like Netflix is

1752
01:39:38.359 --> 01:39:43.159
really embracing fresh ideas for science fiction, right, And so

1753
01:39:43.319 --> 01:39:46.239
I hope that they continue to be a welcome home

1754
01:39:46.279 --> 01:39:49.520
for that. And I was just you know, i'm, I'm, I'm.

1755
01:39:49.680 --> 01:39:52.199
It gives me optimism to see this kind of storytelling

1756
01:39:52.239 --> 01:39:55.279
happening and not being you know, oh, we can't do that.

1757
01:39:55.399 --> 01:39:57.920
It's like they're kind of warning about the direction that

1758
01:39:58.199 --> 01:40:01.720
you know, h we're going as a civilization. So I

1759
01:40:01.760 --> 01:40:03.000
really think it's healthy.

1760
01:40:03.079 --> 01:40:05.319
Well, let me know if anybody needs a list of

1761
01:40:05.399 --> 01:40:08.079
like the best six episodes of Black Mirr or anything,

1762
01:40:08.159 --> 01:40:11.079
because I've seen them all and I just think that

1763
01:40:11.159 --> 01:40:12.960
this series is brilliant. But every once in a while

1764
01:40:13.039 --> 01:40:14.840
you get one that's better than the other.

1765
01:40:14.680 --> 01:40:17.880
Ones, So I definitely share those with this. I think

1766
01:40:17.920 --> 01:40:21.960
I'd love to see that by all means, so well,

1767
01:40:22.239 --> 01:40:24.319
fun to talk about this, friends. I really it was

1768
01:40:24.359 --> 01:40:26.800
a it's very Star Trek adjacent, but I think it

1769
01:40:26.840 --> 01:40:31.520
was a really super fun, fun examination and I hope

1770
01:40:31.600 --> 01:40:33.760
we get people to watch the show who've never seen

1771
01:40:33.760 --> 01:40:35.720
it before, right, I think they'll really enjoy it.

1772
01:40:35.920 --> 01:40:39.319
Spoiler alert. Maybe we're going to edit that to the

1773
01:40:39.399 --> 01:40:40.239
very beginning. I don't know.

1774
01:40:40.840 --> 01:40:44.840
Did everybody notice the TNG playmate shuttle Craft sitting on

1775
01:40:44.960 --> 01:40:46.119
his desk there?

1776
01:40:46.880 --> 01:40:50.640
I did, indeed, Yeah, I missed that. During the Great Fight,

1777
01:40:50.680 --> 01:40:55.439
saying in Correife came right away.

1778
01:40:56.880 --> 01:40:59.960
I just thought it was funny when when Nannette is

1779
01:41:00.319 --> 01:41:05.159
in Daily's garage and she goes over to All's collectibles

1780
01:41:05.159 --> 01:41:07.520
and she picks up was it a sword or it

1781
01:41:07.560 --> 01:41:10.279
was something? And she's just like picking it up, and

1782
01:41:10.399 --> 01:41:15.079
anybody who you know, my phone when she picks it

1783
01:41:15.159 --> 01:41:18.960
when she yeah, I'm solely. I'm solely uh uh oh

1784
01:41:19.079 --> 01:41:22.760
something happened there? Oh sorry, anyway, when she just casually

1785
01:41:22.800 --> 01:41:25.920
picks it up, and you know, any collector is going

1786
01:41:25.960 --> 01:41:28.319
to say, you know, and he just goes over and basically,

1787
01:41:28.680 --> 01:41:31.880
you know, it's just horrified that she's picked it up

1788
01:41:31.920 --> 01:41:33.720
casually when it's a collectible.

1789
01:41:34.199 --> 01:41:36.800
He's like, this is a real such and such a thing.

1790
01:41:37.119 --> 01:41:37.640
Yeah that.

1791
01:41:41.640 --> 01:41:44.720
Yeah, and it's just like, you know, the same to

1792
01:41:46.279 --> 01:41:50.399
build on that whole thing. Right. At one point, he's like, really, oh, oh,

1793
01:41:50.479 --> 01:41:52.439
are you going to be the person who finally share

1794
01:41:52.439 --> 01:41:54.239
all this stuff with me? Like this stuff? And she's

1795
01:41:54.319 --> 01:42:01.800
just like, I don't really like old shows. He's just deflated, right,

1796
01:42:02.039 --> 01:42:04.039
You're not who I thought you were. And it's just like,

1797
01:42:04.159 --> 01:42:06.800
oh God. And it's just you know, not a line

1798
01:42:06.840 --> 01:42:09.319
of dialogue from him at all, but just his you know,

1799
01:42:09.359 --> 01:42:10.960
his reaction was just priceless.

1800
01:42:11.439 --> 01:42:15.079
That's an answering question because you mentioned that that's not

1801
01:42:15.119 --> 01:42:18.199
how you were like at all. Did he know her

1802
01:42:18.960 --> 01:42:22.279
before he got copied into the machine? I mean, shouldn't

1803
01:42:22.279 --> 01:42:23.960
that clone not know who she is?

1804
01:42:25.079 --> 01:42:27.399
I don't think he does know This version of him

1805
01:42:27.560 --> 01:42:30.680
doesn't know her, but the version that I was asking

1806
01:42:30.720 --> 01:42:37.880
about at the beginning, does yeah the version of the ship, right, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1807
01:42:37.920 --> 01:42:40.600
because he knows her in the real world, and so

1808
01:42:40.680 --> 01:42:42.960
when he's had breaks for pizza and things like that,

1809
01:42:43.039 --> 01:42:45.119
so it's like he's updated and stuff.

1810
01:42:45.159 --> 01:42:48.000
Whenever he's put the game on pause or whatever, clone

1811
01:42:48.680 --> 01:42:52.000
garage garage him doesn't. It's like he's meeting her for

1812
01:42:52.039 --> 01:42:56.119
the first time. So he's enchanted, Oh, come stay.

1813
01:42:55.920 --> 01:43:00.680
With me, just like episode.

1814
01:43:02.039 --> 01:43:05.039
That's role play and I'm just like, oh, it's just

1815
01:43:05.079 --> 01:43:07.520
like time to go, Sifter, take that floppy disk.

1816
01:43:07.600 --> 01:43:10.159
I mean, so, Paul, that's another great like topic for

1817
01:43:10.199 --> 01:43:12.319
future shows is what does it mean to have a

1818
01:43:12.439 --> 01:43:16.880
human being, a human consciousness that's alive for like five

1819
01:43:16.960 --> 01:43:20.880
hundred or one thousand years, Like wouldn't you know, wouldn't

1820
01:43:20.920 --> 01:43:23.920
any normal human just kind of go insane after that

1821
01:43:24.039 --> 01:43:26.920
amount of time because there's just too much going I

1822
01:43:26.960 --> 01:43:27.319
don't know.

1823
01:43:27.479 --> 01:43:28.079
I love that.

1824
01:43:28.479 --> 01:43:33.159
Relative to the concept of vampires or you know, immortality

1825
01:43:33.399 --> 01:43:34.600
or any of that kind of stuff.

1826
01:43:35.520 --> 01:43:39.079
Well, the difference between if you're alone versus being around people,

1827
01:43:39.199 --> 01:43:41.439
I think there's a difference. If you're alone, you go crazy.

1828
01:43:41.520 --> 01:43:44.119
But yeah, then you need to have Rocky with you

1829
01:43:44.399 --> 01:43:45.239
to help you get through.

1830
01:43:46.560 --> 01:43:50.520
If you're gonna be like digitized into some like live

1831
01:43:50.560 --> 01:43:53.560
forever in an android body or in a conscious computer

1832
01:43:53.640 --> 01:43:56.720
or whatever it is, make sure you've got something set

1833
01:43:56.840 --> 01:44:00.279
up to this friendly advice for Elon Musker whoever, right,

1834
01:44:00.359 --> 01:44:03.920
it's just like, have something set up that simulates sleep,

1835
01:44:04.119 --> 01:44:06.920
because we know that if you want to make somebody insane,

1836
01:44:07.239 --> 01:44:10.479
at the fastest route to make somebody clinically insane the

1837
01:44:10.600 --> 01:44:13.359
Armies and experiments with it is just deprive them of

1838
01:44:13.399 --> 01:44:16.319
sleep and they are off the deep end. Is faster

1839
01:44:16.439 --> 01:44:18.880
than anything else. No drug can do it as quickly.

1840
01:44:18.960 --> 01:44:23.359
It's just you've got to have sleep with your brain. God, yeah,

1841
01:44:23.399 --> 01:44:27.880
it's crazy, crazy. Well, I just started taking melatonin this year.

1842
01:44:27.880 --> 01:44:30.279
I feel better. I'm like, oh, thank god, I'm finally

1843
01:44:30.319 --> 01:44:30.880
getting some good.

1844
01:44:30.920 --> 01:44:34.560
You guys are ready for some Star Trek birthdays, do it?

1845
01:44:34.880 --> 01:44:54.920
Sure, let's do it. That was not okay.

1846
01:44:54.960 --> 01:44:56.239
This is the part of the show where we do

1847
01:44:56.279 --> 01:44:58.520
our Star Trek birthdays, and we always start off the

1848
01:44:58.560 --> 01:45:01.199
show by remembering those members of our Star Trek family who,

1849
01:45:01.279 --> 01:45:04.119
sadly enough, are no longer with us. And for that

1850
01:45:04.319 --> 01:45:05.479
return to Eric.

1851
01:45:06.439 --> 01:45:09.399
Tonight, Jim I will abbreviate my readings of our six

1852
01:45:09.439 --> 01:45:11.600
members of our Star Trek community who have gone before

1853
01:45:11.680 --> 01:45:14.039
us who we are remembering this week. The first is

1854
01:45:14.119 --> 01:45:14.920
Michael J.

1855
01:45:15.479 --> 01:45:16.399
Pollard. Michael J.

1856
01:45:16.520 --> 01:45:19.600
Pollard was the actor who played Yon in the TOS

1857
01:45:19.680 --> 01:45:23.000
first season episode Mirian. We lost him unfortunately back in

1858
01:45:23.119 --> 01:45:26.960
twenty nineteen. He was eighty years old. He's been in

1859
01:45:27.000 --> 01:45:29.399
a lot of stuff. You should go check out his

1860
01:45:29.520 --> 01:45:32.199
IMDb page. What I will say is that he earned

1861
01:45:32.199 --> 01:45:35.159
an Academy Award nomination as Best Actor in a Supporting

1862
01:45:35.239 --> 01:45:38.920
Role for his role of C. W. Moss in the

1863
01:45:38.960 --> 01:45:41.279
film Bonnie and Clyde from Back.

1864
01:45:41.079 --> 01:45:41.520
In the Day.

1865
01:45:42.000 --> 01:45:45.079
Happy Birthday to Michael J. Pollard, Happy Birthday as well

1866
01:45:45.119 --> 01:45:48.279
to Ivy Bethuen. She's the actress who played Dwana in

1867
01:45:48.319 --> 01:45:51.720
the Next Generation first season episode When the Bow Breaks.

1868
01:45:52.279 --> 01:45:55.239
She also has been in quite a few things, including

1869
01:45:56.199 --> 01:45:59.640
being My Peabody in nineteen eighty five's Back to the Future.

1870
01:45:59.680 --> 01:46:03.199
You may have heard of that movie. She was only

1871
01:46:03.239 --> 01:46:05.760
the eighth Star Trek to performer.

1872
01:46:05.800 --> 01:46:08.000
To reach one hundred years old.

1873
01:46:08.000 --> 01:46:09.800
That's right, folks, we lost her at the age of

1874
01:46:09.800 --> 01:46:13.039
one hundred and one years old back in twenty nineteen.

1875
01:46:13.079 --> 01:46:16.199
She was born in nineteen eighteen.

1876
01:46:16.840 --> 01:46:17.640
Ivy Bethuan.

1877
01:46:18.399 --> 01:46:22.479
Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday as well to Sally Kellerman,

1878
01:46:22.760 --> 01:46:27.000
the American actress who portrayed Elizabeth Dinner in the TOS

1879
01:46:27.119 --> 01:46:30.600
first season episode where No One Where, No Man, Excuse me,

1880
01:46:31.720 --> 01:46:35.920
it's ingrain in my head has gone before. Best, of course,

1881
01:46:36.039 --> 01:46:39.640
remembered for her portraying role of Major Margaret hot hips

1882
01:46:39.680 --> 01:46:44.760
Oolahan in the nineteen seventy film Mash not the television show,

1883
01:46:44.840 --> 01:46:48.640
but the film, for which she received a supporting Oscar

1884
01:46:48.680 --> 01:46:53.600
and Golden Globe nomination. Happy birthday to Sally Kellerman. Happy

1885
01:46:53.640 --> 01:46:56.560
birthday to a super heavy hitter. And I remember when

1886
01:46:56.560 --> 01:46:58.800
we lost him back in twenty nineteen on the podcast,

1887
01:46:58.800 --> 01:47:00.560
we spent quite a bit of time talking about him.

1888
01:47:00.560 --> 01:47:04.600
But Renee Murat aber Jenois was the actor best known

1889
01:47:04.640 --> 01:47:08.159
for portraying Chief of Security Odo on Star Trek Deep

1890
01:47:08.199 --> 01:47:11.399
Space nine. He was also, of course, Colonel West in

1891
01:47:11.520 --> 01:47:15.560
Star Trek sixth The Undiscovered Country. There are so many

1892
01:47:15.600 --> 01:47:19.319
good things in this man's resume, including his role on

1893
01:47:19.439 --> 01:47:23.600
Benson and various other things. He was even considered as

1894
01:47:24.560 --> 01:47:27.680
portraying the doctor on Star Trek Voyager at one point.

1895
01:47:28.119 --> 01:47:30.119
If you do not know much about his resume, you

1896
01:47:30.159 --> 01:47:35.119
should absolutely go and check it out. Renee Murat Aberjenois.

1897
01:47:35.720 --> 01:47:39.119
His birthday is June first, nineteen forty. We lost him

1898
01:47:39.119 --> 01:47:41.119
back in twenty nineteen. Happy birthday, Renee.

1899
01:47:41.199 --> 01:47:45.199
He shares a birth with me, so that's oh I remember.

1900
01:47:46.359 --> 01:47:48.800
And he was in the nineteen seventy six remake of

1901
01:47:49.439 --> 01:47:50.279
King Kong.

1902
01:47:51.479 --> 01:47:53.520
Wait, did we just miss your birthday then, Jim four

1903
01:47:53.560 --> 01:47:53.920
days ago?

1904
01:47:54.039 --> 01:47:54.159
Yah?

1905
01:47:54.399 --> 01:47:56.159
Well it was on Facebook.

1906
01:47:56.960 --> 01:47:58.039
Happy birthday.

1907
01:47:58.680 --> 01:48:00.359
It was not a Facebook.

1908
01:48:02.079 --> 01:48:02.479
Anyway.

1909
01:48:02.720 --> 01:48:07.159
Okay, Well, let's come back to that. Happy birthday as well.

1910
01:48:07.199 --> 01:48:11.680
To actor John Abbot born John Albert Chamberlain Keffer, the

1911
01:48:11.760 --> 01:48:16.000
English actor who portrayed Isle Born in the TOS first

1912
01:48:16.000 --> 01:48:20.359
season episode Errand of Mercy. Of course, lots and lots

1913
01:48:20.359 --> 01:48:23.800
of good stuff in this guy's resume, including plenty of

1914
01:48:23.920 --> 01:48:27.720
stage presents. In nineteen thirty seven, he was actually in

1915
01:48:27.760 --> 01:48:31.680
the production of Hamlet that was performed at Elsnore with

1916
01:48:31.760 --> 01:48:36.680
Lawrence Olivier and Vivian Leigh. Yeah, big stuff right there.

1917
01:48:37.039 --> 01:48:39.800
Happy birthday to John Abbott, lost in nineteen ninety six

1918
01:48:39.800 --> 01:48:42.399
at the age of ninety years old. He was born

1919
01:48:42.439 --> 01:48:45.319
in nineteen oh five and last, but not least, folks,

1920
01:48:45.359 --> 01:48:49.359
we're going to celebrate actor Robert Lansting, the actor who

1921
01:48:49.399 --> 01:48:54.239
played Gary seven in the TOS second season episode Assignment Earth.

1922
01:48:54.640 --> 01:48:56.880
I'd love to talk about this character because not only

1923
01:48:57.000 --> 01:48:58.760
was that a great episode, but of course we got

1924
01:48:58.760 --> 01:49:02.840
to follow up stories with him in the IDW comics.

1925
01:49:04.000 --> 01:49:06.800
Robert Lansing was all over the place back in the sixties.

1926
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He made appearances on Bonanza, Gun Smoke, all that stuff.

1927
01:49:11.279 --> 01:49:14.279
Then fast forward to the eighties with Law and Order.

1928
01:49:15.399 --> 01:49:18.000
In nineteen eighty five, he actually became part of the

1929
01:49:18.079 --> 01:49:22.600
regular cast members on the TV series The Equalizer, which

1930
01:49:22.600 --> 01:49:27.079
you may remember. So just lots and lots of stuff

1931
01:49:27.159 --> 01:49:28.960
to celebrate this guy. I wish we had more time

1932
01:49:28.960 --> 01:49:30.920
to talk about it, but Robert Lansing would have had

1933
01:49:30.920 --> 01:49:34.119
a birthday just today, June fifth. He was born in

1934
01:49:34.239 --> 01:49:37.600
nineteen twenty eight. We lost him at the young age

1935
01:49:37.640 --> 01:49:39.920
of sixty six years old, and you can go check

1936
01:49:39.920 --> 01:49:43.439
out why he was lost so young. Happy birthday to

1937
01:49:43.560 --> 01:49:46.079
Robert Lansing. And that does it for our remembrances, folks.

1938
01:49:46.119 --> 01:49:48.520
I'm going to pass this birthday candle over to Charles.

1939
01:49:49.920 --> 01:49:53.880
Thank you. Eric. Let's start off with a Happy birthday

1940
01:49:53.960 --> 01:50:01.680
to Mark A. Shepherd, British actor played in Voyage's sixties

1941
01:50:01.720 --> 01:50:08.960
an episode Child's Play. Happy birthda Nicole Nicki Cox, actress

1942
01:50:08.960 --> 01:50:14.640
who played the role of Sergenta in TNG's second season

1943
01:50:14.680 --> 01:50:22.119
episode pen Pals. Happy birthday to Michelle Phillips, singer and

1944
01:50:22.199 --> 01:50:28.159
actress who played Denise Mayhem in TG's first season episode

1945
01:50:28.159 --> 01:50:34.479
Will Always Have Paris. Happy birthday to Chad Allen, American

1946
01:50:34.600 --> 01:50:38.239
actor who played Yono in Star Trek's Next Generation four

1947
01:50:38.319 --> 01:50:46.039
season episode Suddenly Human. Happy birthday to Anthony Montgomery, actress

1948
01:50:46.039 --> 01:50:51.680
from Inanapolis, Indiana, who played Ensign Travis Mayweather on Enterprise

1949
01:50:51.800 --> 01:50:54.479
from two thousand and one to the show's cancelation in

1950
01:50:54.479 --> 01:50:57.880
two thousand and five. And I'm gonna throw David, the.

1951
01:50:57.840 --> 01:51:00.880
Most underrated and underused character d on Enterprise.

1952
01:51:00.920 --> 01:51:03.760
I'll just say that, and I'm going to throw an

1953
01:51:03.760 --> 01:51:09.880
extra one on there to throw David off. As a Sunday,

1954
01:51:11.039 --> 01:51:16.880
June first, A very special warm birthday to our own

1955
01:51:17.079 --> 01:51:22.039
uncle Jim, who celebrated another year round.

1956
01:51:22.720 --> 01:51:32.479
Und you really need to start planning your own version

1957
01:51:32.600 --> 01:51:35.039
of the birthday song, dude, because you deserve You got

1958
01:51:35.039 --> 01:51:36.000
that weird al ready.

1959
01:51:36.000 --> 01:51:36.239
To go.

1960
01:51:36.640 --> 01:51:40.079
I didn't move weird over with us from blog. I

1961
01:51:40.199 --> 01:51:41.600
have to. I'll have to track them down.

1962
01:51:41.880 --> 01:51:43.520
You got to do that.

1963
01:51:43.520 --> 01:51:45.880
That's right, thanks guys.

1964
01:51:46.720 --> 01:51:51.600
But definitely a very happy birthday to Gym for all

1965
01:51:51.640 --> 01:51:57.920
he's done with this podcast and it's there to here,

1966
01:51:59.119 --> 01:52:05.199
all the work that before I got, I joined before.

1967
01:52:04.920 --> 01:52:10.840
You join, that's right, yeah, along before Charles, yeah far.

1968
01:52:10.680 --> 01:52:18.000
Away, yep, yeah, that's right.

1969
01:52:18.319 --> 01:52:22.399
Well, now I'm gonna take this flaming birthday candle with

1970
01:52:22.520 --> 01:52:25.199
our host name on and pass it over to Paul.

1971
01:52:26.640 --> 01:52:30.800
Paul's got some good ones, Thank you, Charles appreciated. First

1972
01:52:30.840 --> 01:52:34.840
of all, let's say happy birthday to the phenomenal James Callus,

1973
01:52:34.960 --> 01:52:37.880
a British actor who we are acknowledging for playing Maurice

1974
01:52:37.880 --> 01:52:44.279
Picard patriarch and also an illusory Star Trek psychiatrist in

1975
01:52:44.399 --> 01:52:47.880
his image in the Star Trek Picard episodes, The Stargazer,

1976
01:52:48.039 --> 01:52:52.399
Monsters and Hide and Seek. Of course, we're also how

1977
01:52:52.439 --> 01:52:55.680
can you not talk about James Callous without mentioning Doctor

1978
01:52:55.760 --> 01:53:00.600
Caias Baltar in Ronald Y Moore's reimagined Battlestar Galatica was phenomenal,

1979
01:53:00.720 --> 01:53:02.880
absolutely phenomenal. Every now and then I under somebody who's

1980
01:53:02.880 --> 01:53:05.039
never seen that battlestary, I think, and I'm like, oh boy,

1981
01:53:05.520 --> 01:53:09.439
you have really something great in store, so amazing. I

1982
01:53:09.439 --> 01:53:11.520
think we have a next one I would say qualifies

1983
01:53:11.640 --> 01:53:14.279
Star Trek legend. I would say certainly those of us

1984
01:53:14.319 --> 01:53:16.079
who like to try to fix things and you know,

1985
01:53:16.159 --> 01:53:19.760
are impatient with devices don't work correctly. Where would be

1986
01:53:19.880 --> 01:53:26.239
talking about? The great legendary calm Meani born on May thirtieth,

1987
01:53:26.479 --> 01:53:29.359
the Irish actor best known among Star Trek fans for

1988
01:53:29.399 --> 01:53:33.439
Hiss Trail of Chief Miles O'Brien on both Next Gen

1989
01:53:33.600 --> 01:53:37.399
and Deep Space nine, and he also played Albert Macklin

1990
01:53:37.479 --> 01:53:40.359
in the acclaimed episode Far Beyond the Stars, which is

1991
01:53:40.479 --> 01:53:43.840
just superb. But what a legend this guy is. I

1992
01:53:43.960 --> 01:53:46.640
just like that. He's just he's, you know, kind of

1993
01:53:46.640 --> 01:53:52.079
a rough knuckle, workaday guy. His values are going to

1994
01:53:52.119 --> 01:53:55.039
the pub and friendship and being a good husband, right

1995
01:53:55.159 --> 01:53:58.640
and you know he is he's a union man, right

1996
01:53:58.720 --> 01:54:02.680
and and uh and he's you know, he's a character

1997
01:54:02.680 --> 01:54:06.600
who often depicted as thinking he knows more than he

1998
01:54:06.680 --> 01:54:09.319
really does and being willing to admit when he doesn't

1999
01:54:09.359 --> 01:54:11.840
know as much as he should and I think that

2000
01:54:11.840 --> 01:54:14.079
that's great. You know, he's he admits when he's wrong

2001
01:54:14.560 --> 01:54:17.439
and admits, especially in the midst of marriage. Right, I

2002
01:54:17.439 --> 01:54:20.840
could do better. I didn't necessarily, you know, I had

2003
01:54:20.880 --> 01:54:24.319
an attitude about being a dad and I didn't know

2004
01:54:24.359 --> 01:54:26.159
as much as I should know. And I think he

2005
01:54:26.199 --> 01:54:30.800
just really plays a wonderful humanity to that, which makes

2006
01:54:30.880 --> 01:54:33.399
him just very endearing. So a lovely character and a

2007
01:54:33.439 --> 01:54:35.680
wonderful performer. So Happy Birthday called me.

2008
01:54:35.960 --> 01:54:40.840
And and the only character that's not enlisted. He's enlisted,

2009
01:54:40.880 --> 01:54:46.399
he's not an officer. And it's not that's portray that's

2010
01:54:46.479 --> 01:54:49.159
not an officer. That's still a main character.

2011
01:54:49.359 --> 01:54:54.399
Yeah, I work for a living yep, exactly as every

2012
01:54:54.520 --> 01:54:55.439
enlisted man would say.

2013
01:54:56.199 --> 01:54:56.319
Uh.

2014
01:54:57.159 --> 01:55:00.760
Happy Birthday goes out to Leah Thompson, wonderful actress and

2015
01:55:00.880 --> 01:55:04.520
director who directed Star Trek Picard second season episode Assimilation

2016
01:55:04.680 --> 01:55:08.199
and Watcher. She also played Diane Werner in the episode

2017
01:55:08.239 --> 01:55:11.159
fly Me to the Moon, and of course, you know,

2018
01:55:11.279 --> 01:55:16.199
sci fi fans must acknowledge her wonderful portrayal of Lorraine

2019
01:55:16.359 --> 01:55:20.000
Bains McFly in the Back to the Future series. But

2020
01:55:20.920 --> 01:55:26.720
wonderful actress, absolutely splendid, very cool individual. And finally for me,

2021
01:55:27.399 --> 01:55:31.720
let's bring some Spock Jock love into the house, right,

2022
01:55:31.880 --> 01:55:35.680
and let's say hello and happy birthday to Zachary Quinto. Okay,

2023
01:55:35.760 --> 01:55:41.079
actor portrayed mister Spock in the JJ versus Star Trek,

2024
01:55:41.159 --> 01:55:43.319
Star Trek Into Darkness and Star Trek Beyond. I hope

2025
01:55:43.319 --> 01:55:45.079
we get to see you and happy the character again,

2026
01:55:45.439 --> 01:55:47.520
Zach right at some point in the future. But because

2027
01:55:48.000 --> 01:55:50.720
you rock pretty hard and I think you really was

2028
01:55:50.760 --> 01:55:54.359
a lovely interpretation of much beloved character. You had big

2029
01:55:54.359 --> 01:55:56.760
shoes to fill and you did it and did it well.

2030
01:55:57.159 --> 01:56:00.920
So Happy birthday to all of their Une and late

2031
01:56:01.560 --> 01:56:05.520
May birthdays. And let's send it over to the big

2032
01:56:05.560 --> 01:56:09.439
guy the birthday Paison himself, Uncle Jim, Why.

2033
01:56:09.439 --> 01:56:11.840
Thank you, thank you, thank you, Paul. I've got some

2034
01:56:11.960 --> 01:56:14.760
great ones. I've got some Klingons, and I've got a

2035
01:56:14.840 --> 01:56:19.079
really really good one. I want to wish Cynthia Gao

2036
01:56:19.760 --> 01:56:23.760
a happy, happy birthday. She's the Chinese American actress and

2037
01:56:23.920 --> 01:56:27.119
model who played Caitlin Dharr in the best Star Trek

2038
01:56:27.199 --> 01:56:31.239
movie ever, Star Trek five, The Final Frontier. And I

2039
01:56:31.359 --> 01:56:34.960
was lucky enough, well, Charles was lucky enough to meet

2040
01:56:34.960 --> 01:56:37.560
her at Star Trek Las Vegas and get her autograph

2041
01:56:37.640 --> 01:56:40.840
for me and sent that to me. So I treasure that,

2042
01:56:40.960 --> 01:56:43.800
so thank you, thank you so much for that, Charles

2043
01:56:43.800 --> 01:56:46.479
on Happy birthday to Cynthia Goo. I also want to

2044
01:56:46.479 --> 01:56:50.000
say happy birthday to somebody who was on this podcast,

2045
01:56:50.479 --> 01:56:53.800
Susie Plaxon, who of course played kay Lar. She's the

2046
01:56:53.800 --> 01:56:56.359
American actress who appeared in four different roles in three

2047
01:56:56.439 --> 01:56:59.560
different Star Trek series. She's best known as Kaylar and

2048
01:56:59.600 --> 01:57:03.680
the TNA G episodes The Emissary, Reunion and Firstborn. She

2049
01:57:03.760 --> 01:57:07.840
also appeared as Doctor Salar and TNG's episode The Hizoid Man,

2050
01:57:08.439 --> 01:57:13.840
and she appeared in the Voyager episode as Lady Q

2051
01:57:14.319 --> 01:57:16.880
and Q and the Gray And she also appeared as

2052
01:57:16.880 --> 01:57:20.680
an Andoran Tara in the enterprise episode Cease Fire.

2053
01:57:20.920 --> 01:57:21.640
Happy Birthday.

2054
01:57:22.239 --> 01:57:24.840
She's a gem, she's amazing, She's got it.

2055
01:57:24.880 --> 01:57:28.279
You guys need to check out her appearance on this podcast.

2056
01:57:28.319 --> 01:57:30.920
Go to Trek talkin dot com look it up. She

2057
01:57:31.000 --> 01:57:33.000
was a lot of fun to talk to. I think

2058
01:57:33.039 --> 01:57:34.600
you'll enjoy it.

2059
01:57:34.720 --> 01:57:36.760
Terrific as a lot of fun, a lot of fun.

2060
01:57:37.079 --> 01:57:40.279
And last on my list another Klingon. We want to

2061
01:57:40.319 --> 01:57:44.800
say happy birthday and to Mark Ward and the Canadian

2062
01:57:44.840 --> 01:57:48.199
actor who played Alexander Rozenko and Star Trek Deep Space

2063
01:57:48.279 --> 01:57:51.720
nine six season episodes Sons and Daughters, and you are

2064
01:57:51.840 --> 01:57:56.840
cordially invited and uh ed d D D D D

2065
01:57:57.000 --> 01:58:00.760
looking Uh Eric, do you think we have time to

2066
01:58:00.800 --> 01:58:02.079
squeeze in a news story?

2067
01:58:03.119 --> 01:58:06.000
Well, Jim, unfortunately I don't have time to read my

2068
01:58:06.479 --> 01:58:06.800
news and.

2069
01:58:07.279 --> 01:58:09.399
We may have to save it wait till next week.

2070
01:58:09.439 --> 01:58:11.520
All right, So guys, we're going to bump the news

2071
01:58:11.560 --> 01:58:13.119
stories from this week up to next week.

2072
01:58:13.159 --> 01:58:13.800
I'm looking here.

2073
01:58:13.840 --> 01:58:17.560
I don't think there's anything that's dated that would Nope, nope,

2074
01:58:18.199 --> 01:58:20.680
there's nothing week.

2075
01:58:20.119 --> 01:58:21.199
That we can wait till next week.

2076
01:58:21.319 --> 01:58:23.279
Yeah, yeah, okay, all right.

2077
01:58:23.399 --> 01:58:26.239
So with that, guys, we're gonna bid a do. I

2078
01:58:26.279 --> 01:58:27.880
want to let you guys know that we're going to

2079
01:58:27.920 --> 01:58:32.079
be talking to alex dial f A and Harvey from

2080
01:58:32.079 --> 01:58:34.760
the Star Trek Picard, So tune in next Thursday for that.

2081
01:58:34.800 --> 01:58:36.560
It's going to be a lot of fun. I'm your

2082
01:58:36.600 --> 01:58:38.520
most excellent host, uncle Jim, and I'd like to say

2083
01:58:38.560 --> 01:58:41.239
thank you to V for hanging out and Trek talking

2084
01:58:41.239 --> 01:58:42.119
with us from Virginia.

2085
01:58:42.199 --> 01:58:43.000
Thank you so much. V.

2086
01:58:44.359 --> 01:58:47.960
My pleasure and I promise next week you'll get to

2087
01:58:47.960 --> 01:58:52.039
do your new story. And thank you so much for

2088
01:58:52.159 --> 01:58:54.319
David for hanging out and Trek Talking with us and

2089
01:58:54.359 --> 01:58:56.239
putting all that work into the videos.

2090
01:58:57.560 --> 01:59:00.520
Yeah, it's a lot of work and I'm glad.

2091
01:59:00.279 --> 01:59:02.920
We were able to show them. And thank you to

2092
01:59:03.039 --> 01:59:05.000
Eric for hanging out and Trek Talking with us as well.

2093
01:59:05.039 --> 01:59:06.039
Thank you so much, Eric.

2094
01:59:07.119 --> 01:59:09.520
Absolutely, great time. Is always still great to have you

2095
01:59:09.560 --> 01:59:10.439
on the podcast feed.

2096
01:59:11.239 --> 01:59:14.600
Absolutely a great addition to the Trek family. And of

2097
01:59:14.640 --> 01:59:16.359
course thank you to Paul for hanging out in Trek

2098
01:59:16.399 --> 01:59:19.119
Talking with us as well. Thank you so much, Paul.

2099
01:59:20.359 --> 01:59:22.279
Thanks Uncle Jim. We had a lot of fun this week,

2100
01:59:22.359 --> 01:59:23.319
so good time.

2101
01:59:24.039 --> 01:59:25.800
And of course thank you to Charles for hanging out

2102
01:59:25.800 --> 01:59:26.920
in Trek Talking with us as well.

2103
01:59:26.960 --> 01:59:33.399
Thank you, Charles, Thank you so fun talking about Callister.

2104
01:59:34.680 --> 01:59:37.720
That was a good topic, that was a good conversation.

2105
01:59:39.159 --> 01:59:46.039
And with that, guys, hailing frequencies are closed. Good night, everybody,

2106
01:59:46.800 --> 01:59:47.399
can I help?

2107
01:59:47.439 --> 01:59:49.600
Long and prosper, Long and.

2108
01:59:49.560 --> 02:00:00.640
Prosper Okay, okay, we are experiencing technically difficultee.

2109
02:00:02.600 --> 02:00:05.520
Does anyone else getting that reconnecting thing? Weird deal?

2110
02:00:06.439 --> 02:00:14.279
All stations, all stations ready for departure, sir, some problem, right,

2111
02:00:14.319 --> 02:00:17.439
I'm just hoping this isn't the usual way ourmissions will go.

2112
02:00:17.439 --> 02:00:19.159
Sir, Oh, no, Number one.

2113
02:00:20.319 --> 02:00:22.279
I'm sure most will be much more interesting.

2114
02:00:26.279 --> 02:00:27.560
Let's see what's out there.

2115
02:00:29.920 --> 02:00:33.640
Engage