Star Trek: Prodigy "The Last Flight of the Protostar 1-2" review/discussion

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0:42 The series coming to your fa about the series coming, phone now. Coming. He didn't whip around the globe. It it's Thursday, August twenty ninth, twenty twenty four, seven thirty pm Eastern time, four thirty pm Pacific time. That means we are live, and that means that you can let your fingers do the walking and call it Trek talking right now. Our phone number is six four six six six eight two four three three, and we would absolutely love to hear from you tonight. We're going to be talking about Star Trek Prodigy episode the Last Flight of the Protostar, Part one and part two, So if you want to tell us what you thought about that, please give us a call.

1:44 We also have our Star Trek News, Star Trek birthdays and lots of fun, so you definitely want to hang out and chill with us. I'm your most excellent host, uncle Jim, and with me tonight my incredible treks birds and we'll start Actually we're not going We're gonna go all the way out to Portland and we're gonna stay in Portland's and we're gonna say hello to our very own Eric. How you doing tonight, Eric? Oh man? I am doing really, really good. Jim. I've had a pretty good week. Sorry I missed the show last week, but I had a great time up on Vancouver Island in Canada, beautiful setting for a wedding for a friend of mine. So although I hate missing the podcast, it was well worth the trip and I'm excited to talk about some more awesome episodes. We're just we're running on all cylinders here with Prodigy.

2:37 We are definitely doing that. Also from Portland, the Toy guy Paul himself. How you doing tonight, Paul? Yo? Yo cha deech? How you doing? Man? Good to hear from me all. It's fun to be back if it's all gathered together here and a good week for me. I got a chance to go see Alien romula Us this week, which had no Romulans in it, but still it was an exciting fun time. So keeping the sci fi alive, Well. I'm wondering, were they Star Trek fans when they picked that Romulus and Rhenus or was that just a total coincidence? So of Imperial Rome, Romulus and Remus refers to the mythical founders of Rome. The Twins has nothing to do with Star Trek whatsoever.

3:27 Star Trek from me, that's the. Home Well it's you're going in reverse chronological order, friend, but uh but yeah, it's a it's a Star Trek's always tipped it sat to mythology, right and uh and they're not the only ones, so clearly it a lot of times folks who like science fiction like myths, and so that informs their creation of these things as we. All interesting, because you're right, I looked. I looked, and I didn't see a single Romulin in that mood anywhere. And I looked, but I didn't see any so at any rate. And last, but definitely not least, we have the birthday boy who wasn't with us last week, but he's with us. Now, guy, how you doing, David?

4:18 Just a second, I'm ordering donuts? Do that up for the show. I'm doing pretty good. It got really hot over here all of a sudden. What happened? It was like really good and breeding and I was like sweating into it. My goodness, But yeah, I'm doing pretty good. Are you older now? Are your donuts there yet? No? Not yet? Ah the suckers. So we had to cancel our David Benjamin Thomas in a lineus from Discovery show. But I have been in touch with him and the Skull has been rescheduled for September twenty six. If you guys have any questions for a linus, you want to give us a call on September twenty six, or you can visit our Trek Talking dot com page and in the bottom right hand corner there's a little round blue talkback mic.

5:17 You click on that mic and you can leave us a question for David and we will play it on the show and he will answer it for you. How easy could it be? Because I know a lot of people are gun shy, they don't want to be on the radio. Or sometimes you guys will call, I'll answer the phone, but you don't say anything. So this way you can go to trek talkin dot com and report a message at your leisure. We'll play it on the show and David will answer it for you. I mean, come on, easy, easy, easy, easy. Every week we go and I ask all kinds of great questions polled on our Facebook page, which is Shrek Talking Podcast. Accept no imitations, okay.

6:04 Trek Talking Podcast is the page you want to be at And we have eighteen three hundred and thirty three followers as of showtime, which is incredible since we started with fifteen hundred just a few short months ago. So people are starting to find us again and realize that those other people are impersonators and that the real Trek Talking is right here at Truk Talking Podcast. So when you go to the Truck Talking Podcast page at the top, you will see a pin post Live Long and Prosperous saying, hey, where are you truck? He's listening to us from All I got to do is answer the question. Leave some emojis if you can, because that catches my attention because I'm very shallow and when I see little pictures, you know, it attracts me. Leave some emojis, and if you see a heart next to your name from yours truly, uncle Jim, then you want to tune into the next podcast because your name is going to be immortalized forever. Is not only a Star Trek fan, but a fan of Trek Talking and Eric, would you like to get us started with our fan shout outs?

7:11 I absolutely would, Jim. This week, our very first fan shout out goes out to someone in Odessa, Ukraine, a top contributor, and we just send out a lot of love to Maria Medinska, who's saying hello to us from that country, who is continuing the struggle. Maria, We're there with you. And top contributor status means that you interact with us a lot on our Facebook page, and we really appreciate that because it means that you're listening, we're paying attention, and we're not just doing. This in a vacuum. Thank you so much for saying hello. You know what, I did not pull up the spreadsheet because I it was sure, but it's definitely something that I could check for sure. But yeah, we it's It's cool, even if she's not the first. It's always cool to hear from people from the Ukraine of course, Siah, thanks for getting a hold of us and live along and prosper to you. Maria, Yeah, I'll check it out. Saying hello this week as well to Richard Armor. Richard Armor says born in Scotland but lives in Johannesburg and sending us flags from those two places on the planet. Richard Armor, thank you so much for supporting our podcast. We really appreciate your support and complac.

8:30 To you, sir. Also saying hello this week to Jemma Rios Yanez, who's saying hello from Madrid, Spain. Paul, is that one of those places in Spain that you've been or one of those places you want to go? Because I have not been, but it feels like one of those places i'd like to go. It's definitely the place I would want to go, but have not been to Spain yet. All right, Trek Talking Field trip to Madrid, Spain. I think Gemma will give you a call. We've got your digits. Thank you so much for saying hello to us and for leaving all of your contact information so we can get all of you for the Trek Talking Field trip. Here we go, and last but not least on my list. We're saying hello this week to Nancy E. Dicastro. She says, Hi, name is Nancy born in Bogatta, Colombia, saying hello, born there, I assume maybe still living there. Nancy, Thank you so much for saying hello to us and for carrying that trek talking flame down there in Columbia. And because Charles is not here this week, I believe that we've decided we are passing over the next set here of shout outs to our good friend David. So David, take it away, brother.

9:38 Yeah, thank you, so hello everybody. Yeah, I'd like to welcome everybody to the podcast. First, I'd like to give a fan shout out to Sarah register Brand from Otterville, Missouri. Thank you for listening to us. And next time my list is a shout out to ri the Hearst from Atlanta, Georgia, USA. Next is uh Brian Brian Ellis from Rhode Island, and next is Richard D. Gaetano, where she said now reside in the Cincinnati area, Ohio, USA. All right, now I'm going to my original list and we are going to say hello and thank you for listening to William J.

10:32 Mcnott from Oregon. Where in Oregon are you from? Next on the list is Anya and I Powell. She is a top contributor actually, and she resides in the Philadelphia of Pennsylvania. And next on my list is the Lucan Pleasure from Pleasant, California's e. Yeah, it was a. Pleasant to meet you. Last on my list is Vicky Black from Fort Worth, Texas. He sipt from my list, Paul, who's on your list?

11:16 All right, my friend? Thank you, David. Well, we got all kinds of folks have waited in from all over the different corners of the globe this week. It's just amazing. First of all, we're going to say hello to our friend Sean Sheringham, who reaches out to us from over there in the UK from Sussex in Brighton, absolutely amazing. Brighton is, of course like a seaside resort town, right it's pretty much just due south of London if memory serves but a lovely place there. Lots of amazing archaeology in the Sussex County area if I recollect so really pretty amazing. Absolutely aching to get back to the UK at some point and visit some of my friends and family over there on other hemispheric lands. We're going to say hello to our friend Raylan eccleston. Raylyn is a top contributor and is flipping out and saying hello to us from Wellington. No, excuse me, excuse me, top, I've got my geospatial coordinates all askew. Here is contributor from murror Rundy, New South Wales in lovely Australia. You know, you kind of go south of the equator, friends, and the water goes down the drained backwards is the call Coriolis effect. It's very easy to get confused, right, I mean, you know what I'm talking about, right, It's just ridiculous. But Mura Rundy

12:50 is over there on the more western side of the continent. If I'm not mistaken, I'm pretty I'm sure it's kind of northwest of Sydney, I believe if I remember correctly. But an incredible country and where a lot of amazing things are going on all the time in Australia, and so never a dull moment would be what I would guess that things are like for our friend ray Lynn. But not that far away, and perhaps just a short flight you could visit our friend John Donnelly, who is in Wellington in New Zealand, in Hobbit Country, as I like to think about it. There absolutely spectacular. Wellington is of course the capital of New Zealand and sits on the North Islands north southernmost point of I think it's a cook straight there. It's a really amazing spot to hang your hat. I love it's a part of the world.

13:53 I really want to get to both Australia and New Zealand both. I am a little leery of the fourteen hour flight though, that's kind of hoping someday they get that transport of technology where we talk about so frequently in place, so it's a little easier to go visit folks and not have to endure being strapped into an aluminum can amidst turbulence for half a day or more. But John and ray Lynn, great to hear from you. Thanks for keeping Star Trek alive in the Southern Hemisphere. And just to make sure that we all get our requisite dose of jet lag, we'll fly back to the European continent there and we'll say hello to our pal Sylvia Meyer, who is writing us from the beautiful land of Germany. From winter Lingen, Schwabish out of the Baden Wurtemburg.

14:44 If I've got that mispronounced properly, at least a few crazy things I've gotten wrong there, but absolutely amazing Baden Wurtemberg, I'm pretty sure, right smack dab in the middle of Germany, if I'm not mistaken, you could practically walk to all kinds of amazing spots there. I think if I remember correctly, it's probably midpoint between Strasbourg and Munich, so of course right there on the French border, a little bit east of that border there, but not all the way over where Munich is so pretty amazing. But what an incredible land Europe is. And I think at some point I may just have to say hey, see you later to the United States and just spend a lot of time hoofing it across all those different countries. Wish I had done that when I was younger.

15:42 You know, you just got to be like Caine and just walk the earth man walk the earth. Yeah, I think you know that. You just basically know that at the end of the day you can always find a pub someplace, right. I have kind of a Simon Peg attitude when I travel. Right, it's just like you know, well, well going to the pub, right, so right, that's what you gotta do, right the pub, go to the pub. What do you feel like doing then? Oh? Pub? You know. So it's just a you know, kindred spirits. Right, And there are a kajillion which is I don't like to use too many big numbers, you know, because you know I liked around. But there are jillion pubs scattered across Europe, man from one end to the other. So there's always a place where you can get in out of the rain, have a refreshing beverage, and enjoy conversation with a potential other Star Trek fan, no matter where you hang your hat.

16:38 So that's all I got. So hello from Sussex to winter Lingen, to Wellington and to Mura Rundi and whatever's left. We tend to go to the wacky corners of the Northeastern Seaboard and our good friend battles wielding long in the tooth Uncle Jim. Well, wouldn't that be a kajillion point five? I knew that was gonna happen. Don't hit your bets. Man, commit commit two point five guys. Okay, what's the difference between in terms of the metrics. Okay, what's the difference between to seven point four and a seven point five in an episode?

17:18 Right? And no one's ever able to answer me these questions. They're like. Uh, and I'm like, okay, great point made. Moving on, it's the kling on, that's what. Pling on, all right, guys. Well, we're gonna start off with my list by saying hello and thank you Sherry has who says she's a New York trekky forever, Live, long, and prosper. I'm right there with your Sherry. I'm right there with your sister. We also want to say thank you and Kaplada Cheryl Kola who's listening to us, and Winchester, New Hampshire up here in my neck of the woods.

17:59 We also I want to say thank you and Helloda Curtis Keith, who's listening to us right now in Ohio. And last, but absolutely definitely not least, we want to say hello and thank you to Michiga the Bear, who's listening to us in Brooklyn, New York. I wonder, I wonder if Mishika knows Ray over in the Bronx. I don't know, but I got to pick. We have been. We haven't heard from Ray in forever. Man, Dude, there is a lot of real estate between Brooklyn and the Bronx, right, I mean that's like, that's like saying, hey, Jim, do you know anybody in Saskatchewan. I mean, it's kind of like a bit of a spread next door.

18:42 But they have subways that take you everywhere, I. Know, and there's like ten million people there. Brother, it's like twenty million. Now you're you know, you could be there a pretty unique, unique place and Brooklyn. You know, I mean, maybe they're gonna like crash into each other at a comic convention though or something like that, because you know that's the focal point, right, maybe there's a good start trek convention like the jab At Center and whatnot and and uh and maybe Mishka and uh and Sherry Locke Antlers. So there you go. You never know, you never they could be They could be done at King's Pizza on the corner of Fifth Avenue and fifty third Street in Brooklyn getting a pizza or an Italian ice. They could be there right.

19:27 Now, donut at King's Pizza. But they do have great pizza. And then Killer col zones. At least they did when last time I was there thirty years ago. Yeah they saw said cash. Yeah they got away under there now Yeah. So as I said to go to our Facebook page Truck Talking Podcast, I like to throw up polls because we're always interested in hearing what you guys are fans. Thanks. Now, last week I put this one up just for Eric.

20:11 This was an Eric specific poll because last week was a very special birthday and uh I put this up for Eric, but Eric wasn't here, so we did the birthday, but not the poll. So we're gonna do the poll now. So Eric, you want to get us started, We. Need a poll. Song may be wrong, whatever happens, this is. Well this Jim so I you know, I do appreciate this poll in some respects because it pays homage to I think one of the most underrated characters in uh Hard Trek. Also, she was not given a ton of screen time and also not much character development. So I would just preface all of that to say, the poll is of these two choices, who is your favorite doctor?

21:13 And of course the two choices are our next generation doctors. We have doctor Beverley Crusher played by Gage McFadden. We also have Doctor Pulaski played by Diana Moldar, and I will say that I will get behind doctor Pulaski any old day. Two different kinds of characters here, very clearly, two different kinds of characters. But you know, Pulaski got one season, Crusher got six. Crusher gets a ninety percent on this poll and Pulaski comes away with a ten percent, which I probably could have predicted because I feel like I'm one of the few. But I mean, you can't deny how great the actress is given a couple of seasons. Man, I think Pulaski could have been a cool character and not just the one who's racist. To date, to date data data to data.

22:09 That doctor Crusher kind of crushed Doctor Pilasterian. Another. But you know, I got the point to point out that, you know, Diana Muldouer, who played Doctor Pulaski, is Star Trek Loyalty Royalty, right, like she played you know, not one but two of the roles in the original series, right, you know, wink of an eye and returned to tomorrow. I want to say, but like you know, she's you know, legit legend, right, So uh, you know, she it seemed like the obvious casting choice right to bring her in when you know, all kinds of wacky salary negotiations and super bad behavior from male producers were going on Doctor Crusher.

22:55 It's just like they were really lucky to get her back because frankly, kind of buying for Douchebag of the Year award these guys. Right, It's just kind of amazing. But but yeah, it was. But it's really interesting to see that that can be the kind of thing that happens in the annals of TV. It's rare, right that they replace, you know, and they didn't just recast Oh you're doctor Crusher now. That would have been like Darren Stevenson Bewitched, right, that would have been like cringey. Thank god, we don't do that anymore, I don't think, but uh, you know, but so it's really interesting, right, And then they never really explained, did they, Oh, doctor Pulaski went back to run the proctology clinic at Starfleet Medical. I mean, they never really ever really addressed it. I don't think so.

23:41 No, they explained why Crusher wasn't there, but they never explained why. I think they more explained why Crusher came back, unless why Pulaski left. It was just sort of a I it up to Jean Luke man he wanted to do. You know, I am inspired, and I'm going to throw down a gauntlet of challenge on the air unexpectedly to my friend Eric. To my friend Eric, are you ready to do this? I'm ready? Man? Okay? I challenge you Eric right now, because you are the uber fan of Pulaski, right, I would challenge you to write to our friends at IDW Comics, who publish quite a few different comics, right, and a lot of one shots, and I would like you to suggest to them that you know a lot of Star Trek fans and you would like to see a one shot comic explaining what happened to doctor Pulaski. I don't think that that's ever been done. I don't think it's ever been cracked or explored. I would buy that one shot comic because I would like to know. I think it would be really interesting. Right, is she drink?

24:45 I buy that for a dollar? I mean, come on, what do you think? Man? Are you? Are you a game? Will you accept my challenge? I am going to accept your challenge. I have taken a note in my notebook of taking notes, and that means that it's going to happen. I'm super excited about this. Yeah, it would be cool, you know. I mean, maybe, you know, shamelessly throw in a plot suggestion or something, right because you know doctor Pulaski better than anybody else. Right, But come on, I mean, and then maybe a year or so down the road, two years, however long it takes the crank out of comic book, maybe we'll see a special one shot the Pulaski issue. I would be you know, why not. You're welcome future talk Trak talking listeners, and. You know why she never showed up in a mirror universe over there? Right? I mean, this is not like she doesn't exist. I mean, it's just like, you know, she could be you know, you know, a serial killer.

25:36 Or a perfectly delightful person or a. Lovely person who hosts tea parties for you know, Cardasmian Royalty. Who knows? But oh my gosh, I love it. But a lot to explore courtesy of this magical pole question. Yeah, yeah, I can't disagree with that. I have to make a confession. One of those ten percent for Pulaski was me, okay, so. Tense, and now we've got a hundred responses, it's all coming clear to me. Now, Yeah, I've. Voted for Polski because I love when she does the tea ceremony with Warf and it's like, well, it will kill a human and she gives herself the inoculation and drinks the poison with Warf and I was like, wow, I'm starting to really dig this character, and puff she was gone. So she got my vote because she had the tea ceremony with Warf, Like, I gotta confess on that one.

26:32 I mean, Pulaski was one of those characters that in one season we see her change her attitude towards so many groups of people, and like fellow crew members, who you know, she rubs the wrong way at first, and I think by the end of season too, she's not, you know, She's poised for like bigger things. If she had gotten one more season, I think we would have seen Pulaski's whole thing really open up and she could have become a a beloved character. But alas. You know, we have but one beloved next Generation doctor. She got ninety percent of. The votes, So, well, we're very shallow on this show, so you know, let.

27:13 Me all right, all right, Eric, So what's our next poole question? Well, okay, so jeff everybody loves Jeffery Combs. Jeffrey Combs has played a ton of different characters on different Star Trek shows, and so we asked our listeners or our i guess, our Facebook participators who their favorite Jeffrey Combs's characters were, and fifty percent of the votes went for good old mister Schran from Star Trek Enterprise, which I think is pretty salient. I mean I believe that. Well, because that was gonna be a hell of a lot higher. Well, here's what I will say. I mean, he was on thirty one episodes of Deep Space, nine, one episodisode of Star Trek Voyager, and only eleven episodes of Star Trek Enterprise. So if you can believe that Shran was only on eleven episodes, you know, the impact was obviously right there. But fifty percent is pretty healthy. I mean, that's a of the millions of characters that this guy has played. You know, fifty percent going to Shran is pretty good. We got twenty eight percent for wayun and I think we're counting all the way Une's there, so you know, seventy eight percent of the votes is in those two characters. We got Brunt after that, who, of course, is another one of his Deep Space nine characters. And interesting fact, Brunt, he, like Jeffery Comebs, is one of

28:43 the only guys to play two completely different characters in the same episode of Star Trek, and he did that in an episode where he played Brunt and Wayun in the same episode, So that's pretty cool. Five percent of our listeners like him as Agamus, the evil computer from of course Star Trek Lower Decks, one of many evil computers. We four percent of our listeners like him as Krem, another far angie, and then one percent of our listeners voted for Pink from also from Star Trek d Space nine, and then one percent of our listeners voted for Tyron, also from Star Trek D Space nine.

29:28 So there you go. Sorry, Punk, I believe Pink is from Voyager, but yeah, there you go. So a couple of odd ones got some votes, which is pretty cool. That fifty percent ran, you know, makes a lot of sense. I don't think I knew that he played all those characters. Oh you didn't know that, Yeah, well I knew wayo. I knew, of course, right, but but these really weird. And I knew Agamusk because we've talked about it on the air, But like Pink, I mean, who the. Hell is that? I mean, I'm like, you know, it's really if he's you know, working for the Trump campaign. I mean I'm like, who the hell is that guy? And you know Tyron, I mean it looks like he's I don't know who the hell that is? Which is you know, it's crazy, so I don't know. I mean that is it is pretty cool that he gets like major and minor characters.

30:11 You know. Yeah, he's such a good actor, man, I mean he's yeah, dynamite, He's so great. It's just you know, he's like one of those guys like Bruce Campbell is just like a such beloved fan base. You know. Absolutely. And also I want to add to the list here. I know it's not on the poll, but I actually saw Jeffrey Combe and a very young guy from like way back in the nineteen nineties. Not not in person, I meant like on a TV show. I saw him when he was just like really super young, before he got all that prosthetics prosthetics stuff on his face, and I was like, whoa, he looks so weird and different back then, and it's just so cool to see him on a different show. And if you guys have ever seen Babylon five, it was a really interesting episode that he was in, So if want to throw that in there, five is fantastic.

31:03 And you know, on Memory Alpha they count all the characters that he's ever played, and it includes all the different way uns listed separately, and it includes hologram versions of characters listed separately. But it's if you like to counter numbers that way, there's twenty one different roles that he's played on Star Trek. So that's a ton, dude, that's amazing. Oh my god, twenty one. Yeah, I mean that's if you count like Shran and like Hologram. Shran is two different games, and. He's done like, you know, a buttload of like video games too, where he like will play various characters on Star Trek video games as well. So I mean he's just all over the place, does a ton of stuff.

31:44 He was in like The Frighteners with Peter Jackson, and he's. Just you know, he was in the first R rated movie I ever saw, re Animator. Animator, Yeah, that would be what it was. Yeah, he's great. That's the first time I ever saw movies. Man. What I like about him is he's so he's so willing to not be likable. Right. He will play characters who just don't have anything but even about them. It's just like practically spitting into the camera. Right, He's just like, you know, he's he's just he just goes deep. Dude, love him. Well. This next poll I threw in there for David, and I have some fans calling me out on this one because I left off a triple episode. The reason why I left off a trible episode on this list is because we have not reviewed that episode on this podcast yet, so that next week's podcast we will review that terrible episode. So there is a trible episode missing from this list, and that's because we haven't talked about it yet. So all those fans that called me out, that's why it's not there. Okay, So Eric, what was

33:16 the poll question and what were the results? The question was what is your favorite trible episode? And I know what you all think I'm gonna say is the biggest one I'm going to start with the Trouble with Tribles. The og of course, written by our good friend David Gerald, who may or may not have given Jim. Covid as I understand. I don't know. Anyway, Uh, thirty two percent of the vote. Thirty two percent of the votes went to the Trouble with Tribles thirty two percent. So gosh, that doesn't sound like very many. Well that is because in this poll, people trials and tribulations, that's right, from the deep space nine days got fifty seven percent of the votes.

33:59 So well, why is the larger number not listed first? I mean, that's right because we wanted to cite people out. Man, come on, just okay, I mean you're breaking sequence. It's the twenty first century, man operations. Is this poll a five point two or a five point three. Three? Okay? Can tell you that because the slide roll fell out of my pocket. I mean, I guess, like, wow, when I cut. And paste all from the Facebook page onto our notes, it puts it in the order that I asked the question and not the order that they were answered. I'd have to go in and rearrange all the answers to do them.

34:44 That way, but you can read that an order can't understand. It's like scales, you know, things here, So yeah, try I kind of like that. It started with what you thought was going to be the answer, but then it wasn't the answer. So that's my defense for the. Way we actually here today. You convince me. I'm so between those two episodes, we got eighty nine percent of the vote, thirty two percent for the o G, fifty seven percent for D Space nine, and then we have like some pretty decent little numbers built up for a couple other options. We've got seven percent of the votes going to the Trouble with Edward, which was our short trek with the uh it wasn't the dip ship.

35:25 It was what is what do they call him? They called Edwards? Edward's an idiot. Uh So seven percent of the votes went for that one, which was a delightful short track as far as I'm concerned, very silly. And then four percent of the votes went for More Trouble, Tribles More Troubles, which of course is our animated series episode that has tribles all over the place. So I think that's pretty cool. I really liked the. Trible poll personally, lots of tribles will be So who is going to be taking over for Charles? I guess I'll jump in, I guess and do Charles.

36:19 I thought Eric, I thought it was agreed in the chat that Eric was doing this. I also agree that I was agreed in the chat that I was doing this. Yes, yes, chat. Wait wait is this is there a chat that I missed? There was a there was a chat you might have missed. Yeah, it was in there. I command Eric just like knock him over. So all and. All right, this is uh Charles. Yeah, Charles Cadet training here and he has picked out I think some excellent tie into this week's episodes of Star Trek Prodigy. We have topping the list, of course, pretty much all of Star Trek Voyager where we get to see Commander Chacote, and I think in particular we can talk about it in a little bit. We get Chekote talking about being in the Machi and stuff, which goes all the way back to the beginning of Voyager. So if you haven't seen Star Trek Voyager, you're missing out. You should go check it out. Also, Charles has pulled a picard season one the aspect that Picard, of course in that was on the Romulin mission, the evacuation of Romulus, which is referenced in these two episodes as well, so I thought it was kind of cool that they tied that in.

37:37 Also from Picard, We've got the book Last Best Hope, which we reviewed on this podcast many years ago when it first came out, which kind of tells the story of the details of where Picard was during that Romulin evacuation and kind of some of the really hard decisions that he had to make along the way. So a very small for instance, Star Trek Prodigy here, but lots of the card out there to catch you up on that lore if you're not familiar with it, including what happened to Beverly Crusher, which is displayed in the car at season three. My personal favorite after Trek Cadet training that he actually pulled here was the Deep Space nine episode Explorers from season three, episode twenty two, and you'll remember that that's the one where Jake and his dad get the Bajoran lightship and they have to take it from point A to point B and they have kind of a father son adventure. And I think that Charles pulled that because it's the closest thing that we have to kind of the sailing ship thing that we get in these couple episodes of Prodigy here, and I think that's actually a pretty fair tie in. There's some like old rigging happening in sales and all kinds of fun stuff, which was exactly what was happening in that Deep Space nine episode. So there you go. That is Charles' cadet training for this week.

38:58 Extend back to you exiting, exciting, And not only are there polls on our Facebook page, we also have fan ratings and I usually put it up, you know, around coffee break time on Friday, and I ask you guys, well, when we have weekly episodes. This is different because they dropped them all at once, but normally it would be around ten am Pacific or Eastern time on Friday, and I asked you guys what you thought about this week's episode, and in this case, it would be the last flight of the proto Star part one and part two. And usually we get some fan comments, but we're not getting them because of the way Netflix dropped it. But at any rate, Eric, what did our fans score this episode or pair of episodes.

39:52 I should say, well, Jim, fans gave this pair of episodes a nine point zero, nine point zero, So put that in perspective, that is the third highest rating that we've seen this season from the fans. Now, granted, the lowest rating that we've seen the entire season from fans was a seven point two, So you know, generally we're dealing with a scale that you know is between seven point two and ten. So basically Prodigy's doing it. So a nine is nothing to scoff at, but it is definitely at the upper end of that scale. Definitely nothing to scoff at. Now did Charles did Charles leave his his score for us?

40:36 Yeah, Charles Charles left us a comment I believe in the in the chat here, let's see where was that he said? I thought Last Flight of the Protostar had a good example of a captain who's worn out and beaten down. A crew with energy is a great motivator. I love the visit with Beverly Crusher. I love the growth we are getting from Doll. I'll give both episodes a nine point five again this week. Okay, so we're starting off with a nine from the fans and a nine point five from Charles, and we're going to hand it over to Paul and we're gonna see what kind of decimal Paul comes up with.

41:21 All right, Yeah, I think I feel a decimal emerging right now. You know, before we get started, we should have mentioned this at the top of the show, because it is August twenty ninth today, and I think it would behoove us all to pay homage and acknowledge and wish everybody a happy sky Net Becomes Aware day to all those who celebrate, because of course we know that August twenty ninth is the day that happens back in the nineties. So there, I think we're okay. Now, anyhow, we're going to talk out both Am I right or am I right?

42:02 Well? I think we're I think we're closer than ever, is. What you meant to say? Yeah, yeah, I just I don't know. AI has been used in a pretty way that I don't think Jim Cameron anticipated. It's like to do you know, uh, creepy drawings of I'm not even going there. Yeah, so dud, we. Gonna have a whole AI podcast. Let's do it. I'm ready. Yeah, I think we could. We can fill that up pretty good, you know. So anyhow to the task at hand, we're going to talk about this magical two parter. We've had two two parties in a row, which is crazy because we just reviewed a two part of recently and now we've got the last flight of the Protostar Part one and part two. I'm I'm where I'm going First, I'll probably do a quick recap, Fellows, does that seem reasonable just to go through here, just to sort of set the stage. We start off on this alien planet, right, and we see Dracote has been marooned there. He is living a very Robinson Crusoe existing existence, right. He's gathering food and interestingly, he is carving these kind of depictions of his bygone shipmates that we later find out are like chest set representations of all of the former shipmates who've gone ahead, and he's the last one left. And interestingly we see a DrAk is among those depictions as well, his Avan second in command there and mentioning a Drake comes up as a sore subject, right, And then all

43:33 of a sudden, the Cadets appear in one of Chacota's like net traps, right, and Hologram Jane Way, who is with Chacota, of course, doesn't recognize the Cadets at all because of the whole variants of time, right, So she doesn't from her perspective, she's not met them yet, right. But we later find out that a drik has been lost in the planet has these fierce ion storms, right, and Chacote says very definitively, you're never getting my ship off this planet. When they explain what they need to do and what they're hoping to do to be able to move Chacote and the protostar in a way that resets time and stabilizes everything, that's the plot of this series.

44:17 And I got to just throw out a couple of things. I think we're great. One, I think, right out of the gate, this is a really great depiction of an alien planet. I found it was really interestingly rendered. A lot of unique weird elements in terms of the fauna that are living there and the way the ecosphere developed, very weird, but also very convincing. So I thought, kudos to everyone who came together to design. This planet. And I was really taken with Beltran's performance of Chacote on here. I you know, I thought he just did a great job of playing a really burned out guy and somebody who's kind of just been by himself way too long kind of gotten to him and his teather and ethics and you know, optimism have kind of been shattered.

45:06 So I thought, you really want to just call out his performance. I said, he did a great job. I believe the planet was called Yacida if I remember correctly. But they have a lot of ion storms, and things start out where he's just so bitter. Right, He's basically going to leave the cadets outside the ship to just weather, you know, the fearce electrical bombardment of these ion storms. But you know, holographic Janeway convinces him, heh, you know, you should probably let these kids in the protostar because they're probably going to freaking die. So he does that. He has a change of heart, but they run into the big problem here. This ship has no fuel. Okay, they can't leave, right, but he's basically maroon there forever. The protocore is gone and the warp drive is gone, so they have no fuel to be able to do anything.

45:49 And Dal has a great line right where he's just basically had it with this situation. Right, It's just because Dal's grappling with his own perceptions of you know, what is it to be a commander? Right? I mean that's kind of his character through line, right, that's part of his arc, and he just basically loses it with Chagote. He's right, He's like, is this how Starfleet trains their captains to be broken old men who give up hope when things get tough? I was like, wow, I mean that's a great line, right, and it really it really wounds Chacote. I think hearing that, right, he gets really super pissed off. And then and I think, taking a little bit more high altitude perspective of things, Gwynn's take on Chigote is it'll take more than fixing a ship, we have to fix a captain, which I thought was great.

46:37 So in the course of going to like forage for something that he's been sent to find, Dal runs a foul of some monster that at first we do not see as this massive ion storms approaching. So then there's this really cool roverb I don't think we've ever seen before. Have we ever seen this rover before? Gang the multiple wheels is very old design with like a bunch of wheels up front and can actually fly and convert itself into a you know, you know, kind of a speeder type of thing. Really really cool. So Chakote, Gwin and all the others go off to look for Dow in this rover, right, and they end up in these underground tunnels that are the layers of these crazy giant, you know, eel like monsters. They're just huge, right, and uh, And they find Dow ultimately, right, but they also find something else.

47:27 And I thought this was a really bold choice for a show that is kind of, you know, ostensibly kind of a kid's show, because whenever a character and a television show is mysteriously missing, you're just gonna assume that somehow, oh we thought they were dead, but they're not. And they come back and we find them and it's happy hooray, Right, But that's not what happens. They found Adric's remains, right A Drake is definitively dead, and and it's it's poignant and it's sad. It's kind of like a bold choice to do that, actually, you know, because he was I think, really beloved and you know, certainly the cadets like him, right, I mean, they enjoyed teasing him about is you know, so it's kind of sad that they find him. But he's got the gift that keeps on giving. He's got a container of antimatter that he was somehow able to extract from the ion electric electrical storm. Right, So it's great.

48:20 And the poignance of all this gives Chacote a change of heart, right, he starts to come around. And I think the finding of what a drik did, it's not just finding antimatter. A dreak also gave him hope and renewed his hope, right, That's my take on it. And so they give a drink a burial at sea, and the first episode ends with an enigmatic line for Chakota where he says, before the ship fly first, it has to sail, and thus end this episode one of our two parter Right as episode two begins, we cut over and we're in the different aspect of things with Jane Way and Voyager recapping everything that happened in the previous two parterre with Wesley and the Loom and they're sitting there waiting for some sign of the cadets and for the proto Star and then we get our visit from our wacky Tellwright counselor doctor Neom. And everyone knows who does doctor Neum's voice, right, Oh, I don't any Seinfeld fans here. Yeah it's Jason Alexander. Yeah yeah, okay, which is crazy, crazy casting, but he's doctor Newm and he basically whips up this is what Eric and Charles were intimating in their cadet training. There whips up a Doctor Crusher video, right, and Jane Way, he was able to

49:51 talk with Doctor Crusher about Wesley and kind of fill in some gaps there, and it was kind of a nice little cameo. Right. I don't know how much it actually advanced the plot, but I thought it. It's cool, and it was really interesting to see a animated depiction of Doctor Crusher ninety percent fan favorite, but it was great. I just love hearing her work, so she's terrific. So on the Protostar, meanwhile, the cadets and Chacote, they are finishing all these elaborate repairs to the ship, right, and they're not just repairing it, they're modifying it so it can basically, uh, you know, take a page out of other episodes and films that have really evoked like a nautical scene, right like where we've seen in you know, Wrath of Khan is a pirate movie. I mean the director, you know, openly acknowledges that, right, a pirate movie meets Moby Dick. Huge chunks of star Trek generations are a seafaring nautical movie, right, And this is in that same tradition, which is I think really really cool. So they're fashioning into it in a sailing ship.

50:51 Why are they doing this? Okay? Well, the reason is they need deuterium gas, okay, before they can engage the warp core. So what they have to be able to do is they know that there is a source that Chacot. Is aware of. It's way the hell across this gigantic vapor ocean, right, and so they have to be able to go there and use the Bussard collectors to extract the deitium, right and sail over there and get it up out of this you know, deuterium gas so that they can actually basically use that as an igniter for the warp core. Am I fastardizing the science enough? Folks? Nor your science is as solid as the.

51:33 Episode I'm trying, man, I'm trying. If I didn't take notes, I would be a mess. Right. So, and what I like about this show is there's a great mix counterpointing all the time between you know, action and what, in the wrong hands could be an unfathomably complex plot. But I think, you know, thanks to Aaron's judgment and the other writers on this show, I think they keep it followable. That's a new word. I just advent that it's followable, but you've actually got that. But it's counterpointed with character work, right. And so right in the midst of this huge, big deal that they have to go and undertake to do this, Dal opens up to Chacote about his self doubt to ever be able to be captain right, And it's a because you know, he had this thing in the previous two part of where he accidentally got a glimpse of his future and he is worried that he's going to just suck and never be able to fill that dream of himself. And there's a great scene there, and again great work by Beltron right where Chacote talks about similarly feeling lost with and he was with the McKee right before he met Jane Way, and he has a nice thematic line. That bit of advice that he offers to dal that I'm sure we're going to be hearing again. He goes, whenever you're feeling lost, it's best to find where you're needed most.

52:49 So I thought that was great, right, very cool, so beautiful dialogue in the show. I love the way they handle it, and it's always helping the characters and helping gently advance the plot down to the next stage of the of the proceedings there. So they all go below deck in this great, big deuterium gas mailstrom, right, but there's a problem. They don't have a rudder. The rudder is all screwed up because of all this debris and chaos and stuff and just the tempestuous nature of the storm. Right, So they decide that they have to go and manually go back up above board, above on the deck and on the outside of the ship and manually angle the rudder, which is just sounds perilous in the extreme, right, it's just a huge bad idea, But what are the choices they have? Otherwise they're not going to be able to get the deuterium. So they're successful and they're able to free the rudder. But in all the chaos of jumping around on the exterior of the ship, like you know many a great nautical story. Right, Chakota is swept overboard right and he falls into this crazy vapor ocean right seemingly lost, and without even a second of hesitat, Dal jumps off the ship to go and rescue him, right to the point that he even lets go of his tether right and swims down through the vapor ocean even further to make sure he gets Checkote. Pretty good defining act for somebody who wants to be a captain. I would say, despite his doubt, he just didn't even think

54:22 about it. He just was the right thing to do is to try to save another human being, and so he just did it. So that everybody back on deck is worried that they've lost Dal forever in addition to Chacote. But thanks to great timing there, Dal was able to grab Chacote and they hitched a ride on one of the giant electro wheels Caves who are now heading pell Mell try to get out of there before this tempest hits and escape the mailstrom because they're all freaked out and there's gotten up electricity to live on and there they're heading out, so they're able to all be you reunited and thank you, thank you, thank you to all of that good stuff. Magically, the protostar is able to achieve escape velocity and warp off the planet into space.

55:04 But as the episode ends, we're left with the dangling yet another problem that we have to do right, because one of the things we found out was that there's no protocore, there's no proto drive right, and without it, Voyager is three thousand light years away, so they basically have to build a new protocore. This involves basically the equivalent of having to build a new star, and these cadets seem like they're perfectly up for the challenge because they've just had to jerry rig a bunch of other crazy things. So they are off to tackle that in presumably our next episode, so that they can light a match there and get things going to catch up with Voyager all those light years away. So that is my summation of part one and part two my synopsis there.

55:54 I think these were great episodes, right. I think that they really advanced the plot a lot. I love the the way that there are equal parts, really good character work and really good escalating plot dynamics. Right. I thought that was really well handled. I think that the planet, like I said, was really well depicted, really alien looking, but not like too weird. I mean it was convincing. It was believable, right. But I'm a big fan after having not seen him work for a long time of this, Robert beltran right as Chakote here. I think he just does a great job as a character and and really humanized him right, and took him in these two episodes and through a whole arc right of being really bitter and and bonding with the younger iteration of himself in dahal right, and trying to realize it's okay, he's getting to falling into potential bitterness the way I was, and he kind of mentors him and gives him some inspirational advice. And I thought that was really great, right, So to me, really nice work there. I found this you know, complicated dueling plots, very easy to follow and engaging and I'm as usual, really suspenseful. I want to see what happens next. I'm engaged, and I thought this is really well done, so I'm super excited about it.

57:20 I think it's a great show, very very happy with the direction that this season has gone. So I would give the same episode grade to both these episodes, parts one and two. I would give it a solid nine. Right across the beam. I think that there's good stuff going on here, and I just thought it was a delight so super super fun for me. What did you guys think? No decimals, No decimals. I am not a flip flopper. I am not a person who cannot decide what he thinks. I know what I think the decimals are for the undecided the week.

58:00 Well, why are you. See? So I do agree with a lot with Paul has been saying. I did notice, though, that when they got Crusher onto the show, I actually thought it was an interesting take on where the timeline of this episode took place and what was going on with everybody during that time, because, you know, she mentioned that the card was off, getting the romulants evacuated from the planet and everything. So I'm trying to remember if this happened like alfter the supernova or before. I don't know, but it was interesting to see, like in a sequence of timeline, you know, it was just kind of I actually liked that part about it. But however, I do have a little nippicky thing about this particular episode, and I believe this would part two. Well. I don't understand why, but for some odd reason, when I saw doctor Crusher, I was like, that does not look like Doctor Crusher for some reason.

59:13 I don't know. It might have been just me, But did anyone else get that? Yeah, I would say, of the depictions of the characters that we know so far, like I personally found her depiction physical depiction to be the weakest. I just like, I didn't think she really looked like the doctor very much at all. Yeah, Okay, I mean her hair, which was part of it, and she had the gray thing going on like she did on Picards, So you know, maybe I don't know if they needed to let her hair down a little bit more to like, but it's just like the shape of her face or something was off. Yeah, what were you about to say, Jim? I agreed completely, David. I was like, if they didn't tell me that was Crusher, I might not have known that something was Yeah.

1:00:01 Yeah, that was one thing I didn't really like about it. So Yeah, anyways, maybe they just kind of like rusted or something. I have no idea, but yeah, that was a little it took me out of the loop there for a while. But other than that, the episode was really good. I like the pacing, I like the whole from beginning to end the episode where to kind of like throttle the characters together. And yeah, I think Paul pretty much said it all. So I don't know, I'm for one, I'm definitely going to be given it a nine point three number two though, I definitely thought it was kind of weird that Dow that she thought that he could try and get the ship out from underneath the rock with that little tiny rover thingy, and I'm like, that's a little strange. But and then after the rock got moved, it seems like they just left the rover there without even bringing it in. I'm like, what the thing's gotta be useful? That was like why they're just leaving on the planet. So I was like, okay, well, okay, And.

1:01:23 So this one. Because of those two things, I'm definitely gonna be probably giving this one a little bit lower score. But yeah, I don't really the only points that I could come across right now. But also I just want to let everybody know that my donut a rice shaved. So we're good. That's the important thing. That's the big thing. The donuts are okay. Yeah, So I'm gonna give this one an eight point nine. For the second one, it was good, but there's a couple of things that kind of put me off. Eight point nine. All right, Eric, take it away, buddy.

1:02:07 All right, yeah, great, great reviews, guys. Let's see what can I add. I think I you know, at the beginning of that first episode, I definitely was taking it back at first. That's sort of the hardness of Chacota. So I think Paul made a good point that Chacoti goes through kind of a nice character arc over the two episodes, going from a hard, bitter old man as they describe him, to somebody who's kind of working with everybody. Again. I really like that there was that moment where he and Dal kind of sit down and have a heart to heart where he kind of mentors Dal. I think Paul brought that up to, you know, maybe seeing a bit of himself in Doll there. So I thought that was really strong, and it's it's always cool when you see the mentor mentoring the mentee and the mentors the one who comes out of it changed.

1:02:59 You know. I always think that's a really cool dynamic when you see that in different stories. So I dug that I like Gwen. You know, Gwen is just like, if she ain't a captain, I don't know what is man. This girl is always like, you know what, we just need to fix the captain and then that's going to fix the whole scenario and then we can do the thing that we need to do. She just she kind of always knows what to do and people just listen to her too. So I appreciate her as a character quite a bit and suspect that ultimately Dal probably functions better as an executive officer and Gwen is probably the one who actually, in the end, would make a better captain.

1:03:40 That's just my thoughts on that. Adreak. We all loved him, but it did kind of remind me that, you know, this entire two episode arc here and also the last arc that we went through, this is all like in an alternate timeline, right, because if everything works out out the way that it's supposed to work out, then they're gonna take the Protostar back and they're going to be back on the original timeline and all of the things that we see happening now will not have happened or or you know, depending on how they. Saw so could be okay. So I think in the end a drink is probably gonna be okay because they're gonna they're gonna undo the other timeline stuff. And so I predicted before the end of the season we see and alive and well a dreak, which would be kind of cool. You know, we saw his dead body and then we also see him totally okay, So it's a nice thing. We'll have to see if I'm right on that. I did kind of like at the end of that first episode where to Cota is like, before this ship can fly first, it has to sale.

1:04:46 I was like, what are they gonna do here? And then they talked about how what did they say? It was a high density A high density cloud of something of vapor. A high density Yeah, high density vapor. There, listen, there are some fuzzy physics in this episode, but it did not take me out of the moment too bad. I mean, I'm the kind of guy who can definitely get pulled out by the science a little bit, but it's also Star Trek, and the storytelling was good enough for me. I don't know how they've floated on a cloud of high density vapor and didn't die when they went into it and get crushed to death, but you know, it doesn't really matter. This was a really cool story. I liked that the hull integrity was down to forty percent.

1:05:27 Anytime they get below fifty percent, I'm always like, oh, oh shit, if my whole integrity was less than fifty, I would not feel okay about what was happening. You know. Overall, let's see, Oh, I guess. The last thing that I wanted to say was at the very end of the last episode. There, you know, there's that line I think somebody else mentioned it and they say, you know, we just rebuilt a starship, so let's go build a star That's a real kind of like go get them kind of attitude. And I keep saying it every week. But I feel like Star Trek Prodigy is doing great. Job of. Setting up the challenges and showing how the kids are using you know, their brains and friendship to like make things happen. I still think rock Talk is the star of the science team. I mean, I kind of feel like they could do almost anything those few months that she was alone learning stuff or however long. You know, in that one episode where there was like the time warp that.

1:06:23 She was in. You know, she's smart as a whip. So I'm pretty sure as long as she's on the team, they they're going to get out of any science y problems that they get into. But I thoroughly enjoyed this. I definitely am going to give the combination of these two episodes a nine. And I'm excited to see how we undo it all in the end when the real timeline is restored prime line, the prime timeline. Yeah, well, I'll bring up the cuboos here. I really loved how at the very beginning when they when they get caught in the net. And I really love how Jacob pog Is picks right up with the bird puns again, just like he did in the last episode the Bird Brain, and he's gone. You know, he has all these these crazy bird jokes that he's dropping at the very beginning of the episode. Uh, And I just was laughing, laugh and laugh, and I thought, Wow, I just love Jacob.

1:07:29 He's got this great I just love him. And he's making all these bird jokes, so I was like, wow, I like that. I really also like how Zero, how they're learning about their bodies and the different h you know, at one point they say, my stomach feels the strange, and the hair is on my neck are tingling and different things like that, and how they're showing us how Zero is getting used to the body that they're now in. I thought that was good character development there. I really really like I think Doal comes the furthest in this episode, you know when he shows selflessness and he jumps into the ouze to rescue Chakota, and I was like, wow, that right there is a very powerful, powerful scene. I am with Eric, though I don't understand how the ship went from being marooned on the desert and stuck on a rock to floating in gas. I missed that whole thing.

1:08:41 But it's Star Trek, and I don't understand how they can walk around on the hull and this high density gas. It kind of looked like the Mutara Nebula and walk around and breathe up there and be okay. But it's Star Trek, and I let it all slide because the story was wonderful, but I'm kind of with Eric. I missed that whole scientific explanation, but it wasn't enough to make me say, you know, oh my god, they're wearing electrical wires in the side of their helmets like we saw. I can't believe that, dude. I spent ten years. I spent ten years of my life hauling electrical wire around, and when I see it aide of a star Trek helmet, It's just like no, no, no.

1:09:36 But anyway, I did. I did enjoy the episode immensely, and I really liked cota journey from the bitter, angry old man to the captain that he he is, and I think the crew helped him to get there. Uh and Janeway, Jane Janeway wouldn't know them because the story that we I already saw has it happened to her. So this is what I will say. I didn't I didn't mention that, but I think the sort of like reuniting with Holograham Jane Way without Holograham Janeway having any knowledge of them having had a previous relationship was kind of a cool dynamic.

1:10:17 It was cool because the crew was all excited to see her, but she didn't know who they were, and Chakota didn't know, you know, like, how do you know these people? Yeah, and so I thought I thought that was neat, But but you're absolutely right. That's because when they get stuck in the net, they've jumped ten years into the future from where they were with Wesley. So they're in an alternate, an. Alternate it's an alternate time well, I mean, depending on how you define the universe and timeline. I think it's an alternate timeline, much like the the Kelvin timelines movies are. But yeah, yeah, non lifferen. Yeah, it's a different time line than where they were. So this is why everything is so different. And I think you're right. I think a drink, a drink is dead in this timeline, but when they go back and fix it, he won't be I'll be fine, ok in the beginning, so he should be back there with Jakot when they fix it. So I think a drink will be fine in the end.

1:11:26 What else I thought, like Paul was saying, I thought that that the the art the artistry in this episode, uh Kotake scraping the eggs off the fish and getting the fruit off the tree and making the little things that he was eating there. Uh, the way they depicted the planet, the Mutara Nebula like swirling as the ship went around. I thought that the artwork was absolutely phenomenal. It just it looked really, really good, and uh, you know, I enjoyed it immensely these two part episodes. And I think I'm gonna go with a I'm gonna go with a nine point three. I gotta go with the point three.

1:12:09 Just I gotta go with the nine point three overall. So with us and and Charles, what do we come up with as a total, uh score for the Truk Spurts. Well, we're just a little tiny bit above the public here. The public gave it a nine and the truck Spurts averaged out. Unless you want to go to the hundredth place, We're gonna call it a nine point two. Wow. And that's. Oh, very respectable, quite respectable.

1:12:50 Nothing to shake a stick at that, for sure. Did anyone else think that jenkom POGs line about that whole gas thing was kind of funny? Oh yeah, this is the only time that I've been happy. Yeah, I mean that was all the jac and pug fart jokes are thrown in there for the kids, I think, and they're hilarious. I love them. Well he does pull my finger thing, I'll lose it. Yeah, I mean, you know, the one thing I'll say, the one thing that we didn't bring up in this one was that Mogelle is a little cold to Zero in this episode. So it seems to me that there's a little bit of like trouble brewing there. And I'm wondering if there's gonna be a like Mogelle, you know, come to Jesus moment about Zero with Zero being in a different body and there are some kind of drama about that in the future. I don't know. That's another prediction I have.

1:13:50 Well, I got to tell you guys, I reached out to the actors that plays Magel and invited her on the podcast. We'll see how that works out. I also reached out to to UH Captain Angel Jesse, James Caitel and and invited them on the podcast. And I've reached out to Aaron walk see we can get him on to talk about the season of Prodigy. So I got a lot of pokers going in the in the fire and we'll see which ones come to fruition and which ones don't. But because I just love Migell's character. I think she's she's brilliant. She's kind of like to lend on lower decks. You know, anytime they they throw a vulcan in there, it seems to spice up the show, you know, they spice it right up. All right, guys, Well, uh, now it's time for our starts right birthdays. That was not a clim O song. All right, guys. We always start off our Star Trek birthday by remembering those members of our Star Trek family who, sadly enough, are no longer with us, and for that returned to Eric and Jin.

1:15:18 This week, we're going to remember four members of our Star Trek community who have gone before us. The first is actor Graham Jarvis. Graham Jarvis was the actor who played Clim Dokatchen in The Next Generation fifth season episode Unification One. Outside of Star Trek, Jarvis was a part of numerous television series, being a regular on shows like Mary Hartman from nineteen seventy six through nineteen seventy eight, and then in the nineties, he planned a reoccurring role in the computer game series known as The Journeyman Project as doctor Elliott Sinclair, a couple other creds on his IMDb page there you should check it out. We lost him way back in two thousand and three. Happy birthday, Graham Jarvis. Happy birthday as well to Georgia Schmidt. Georgia Schmidt was the actress who played the first Telesion in The Cage, of Course, which was the first pilot episode of TOS. Footage of her appearance would later be used in The Menagerie and The Menagerie Part two, of Course, where they sort of replay that. Her additional television credits include all sorts of stuff, from the Monkeys to the Wild Wild West to the Odd Couple Back in the Day.

1:16:31 She also had some film roles, one in the House of the Damned, one in The Andromeda Strain, and a couple other movies along the way, Midnight Madness Going South, that sort of thing. But that first Telesion that we ever saw there. She is Georgia Schmidt. Happy birthday to her lost back in nineteen ninety seven at the ripe old age of ninety two years old. Happy birthday as well to Janet McLachlan. She's the actress who played Charlene Masters in the TOS first season episode The Alternative Factor. Originally got her bachelor's degree in psychology and then started studying acting at the Berghoff Acting Studios at the Little Theater of Harlem. Made her debut in nineteen sixty five on The Alfred Hitchcock Hour, and then went on to do all sorts of stuff through the sixties, seventies, eighties, nineties, and even all the way up until the two thousands.

1:17:27 She eventually retired from acting in two thousand and two. But you want to talk about a busy woman, she was all over the place. She was even on some murder. She wrote back in the Day with Robert Beltran speaking of Cha Kota. So Janet McLachlin lost back in twenty ten. Happy birthday and lots of love and remembrances going out to her last but not least on the remembrance list, we have actor David soul born David Richard Salberg. He's the actor who played mccorurra in the TOOS second season episode The Apple. But probably best know and I bet you for playing Detective Ken hutch Hutchinson in the television series Starsky and Hutch. He also had a film cameo in that Starsky and Hutch movie from two thousand and four.

1:18:15 After his appearance on Star Trek, he starred as the middle Bolt brother Joshua on the TV series Here Comes the Brides, along with another cos star Robert Brown from Back in the Day and guess who else, Mark Leonard. This guy was connected all over the place to Star Trek people. He also was formerly married to Julia Nixon, who guest starred on both Next Generation in Deep Space nine, So even his former wife was on Star Trek. We lost David just back in January of this year at the age of eighty years old. We do miss you, David Soul. Happy birthday to you. And I gotta tell you he was in one of the He was in one of the movies That's Scared the Bud Jesus.

1:19:00 Oh, I know you're talking about me when I wasn't quite. As long as the two. He was in the original Salem's Lot. Yeah, that's a scary ass movie, dude. Show And uh when I saw that as a kid, Oh my god, did that ever scare the crap out of me? And in that movie, as I got the name of the character, but he was the main character. I know that very kid when the kids floating outside the window, scratching the window begging his friend to let it.

1:19:45 And we got a remake coming on Max in about a few months here, real soon, really, I'm looking yeah cool, yeah, real soon. I don't know if we have a date yet, but I think it's actually before the end of the year. But yeah, it's it's coming soon. It's it's in the can. Well hopefully that's good. So with Charles out this week, I believe that I'm going to pass my birthday flaming birthday candle now to the Land of the Living over to David. So, David take it away. Thanks. I just wanted to mention that's one reason I don't like to watch horror movies because I like to keep my crap jokes, okay, So yeah, so I would like to say happy birthday to John Schneider is the actor who played the role of Bakra in the Star Trek Next Generation third season episode The Enemy and Aaron Connor in the fifth season episode The Masterpiece Society. Next on the list is Jennifer Lynn, the actress best known for playing Cash during the First Oh and through the third season of Star Trek Voyager and the fourth season episode Scorpion Part two and The Gift Next is. John Savage is the actor who played Captain Rudolph Ransom in

1:21:17 the Star Trek Voyager fifth and sixties season episode Equinox and Equinox Part two. Happy Birthday also to Kim Cold is the actor who played as Zan Vencou in The Star Trek Beyond. Happy Birthday to Marcus Nash is the actor from Austin, Texas who played the young ancient John Luke Picard in the Star Trek Next Generation six season episode Tapestry. Steinberg is the actor who played Paul Porter in Star Trek First Contact and and Callerie Captain in The Star Tuk Voice A sixth season episode Equinox Part two.

1:22:07 Happy Birthday to Ken Jenkins is the actor who portrayed Paul Stubbs in the Star Trek The Next Generation third season episode Evolution. Happy Birthday goes out to Stephen Belding is the actress who portrayed Sira in the Star Trek Discovery third season episode Unification three. Last on my list is a Happy Birthday to Eric Ritter is from Nevada, USA. He played the part of Javelle in Star Tuk Voice Or six season episode child Play, and that wraps up my birthday. So I'm going to hand it over to Paul.

1:22:53 Thanks, David, appreciate it, man, all right. Happy birthday first of all goes out to Castelo gera Argentinine actor who played Mendoza in the Star Trek Next Generation third season episode The Price. Happy birthday, also to Carolyn Scott. She's the actress who played Romulan Preetor in The Strange New World's first season episode A Quality of Mercy. Happy birthday to Gray Griffin, American voice actress, comedian, singer, songwriter who provided the voice of Damon Nandi in The Prodigy first season episode's First Contact and Time Amalk. Let's move over here to Strange New Worlds again and say hello, Hello, Hello, keep your hands on the controls. Melissa Navia, the actress who plays Erica Ortegas in Strange New World It's always a breath of fresh air. I hope they let you crazy stuff in the upcoming season here. Really great performer.

1:23:53 I think everybody loves Melissa Navia is the impression I get and a lot of fun and dynamic character. So looking forward to seeing what happens with Ortegas in as yet unseen episodes we shall see. Happy birthday, Why she whies the ship? She's silly for Tilly. I'm with you, Nanzine Contractor, that's an interesting name. Nazneen Contractor, Indian born actress who played Rema Harewood in Star Trek into Darkness. Happy Birthday. Also to Peter Minnha Mensa. Peter Minsaw, Sorry, Peter Minsaw, excuse me, British actor played Daniel Greeves in Enterprise fourth season episodes Demons and Tara Prime. I don't know if I know those two episodes as well as I should. My friend Eric.

1:24:47 Me, Yeah, they're Preme Prime episodes, like among the lexicon of best Enterprise episodes out there, that two parter is fantastic. Yeah, it's probably one of the best episodes out there. I would magine, Wow, excellent. I didn't recognize them by title, so I'm gonna have to go digging because I'm curious who is Daniel Greaves. We must find out, so very cool. Thank you. Happy Birthday alt to do Xavier Sotelo, actor who played Captain diego Vela in Discovery second season episode Point of Light, and delighted to be able to wish a very happy birthday today today as we speak to Lycian Naff. She's the actress who played Hot Chocolate Hurlin Sonia Gomez in that second season episode of Q Who where we first met the Borg and that is just a wonderful scene with Captain Picard, right, the worst nightmare of any new person who's new in their job, right, yes, and so it's all over me, so great, wonderful introduction to a character. There is such a left her in a very refreshing comedic moment for a star trek. But lysian af is great. She's also showed up in the Samaritan Snare episode, and believe it or not, thirty two years later, she reprised the role again in the Lower Deck second season episode First First Contacts LIGHTSI and a

1:26:19 half said, yeah, I'll come back and be Sony Gomez again time ago, but why not? It's just great. So but fans of. Next Gen love Sony Gomez, and I would almost kind of like, why you not a regular character? I think that would have. Been great, so really terrific and wonderful to be reminded of that lovely performance. So Happy birthday, Lysi and a half uncle Jim passing the Bazada user. Well, I got to say that I remember her from a big Arnold Schwarzenegger movie the nineties called Total Recall as the three breasted woman in the bar. Do you guys remember that scene? How it's her? That was her?

1:27:01 Yeah? Interesting? Huh that was her? So yeah? Pretty cool? All right? Well, my birthday list isn't quite as distinctive as everybody else is, but I do have some good ones. I want to start off by saying Happy birthday to Chris Pine, the actor who plays James T. Kirk in the Kelvin Universe movies. And I got to say I think that he was great casting, and I keep hearing rumors of a fourth movie, but it's been eight years since Star Trek Beyond, and the longer it goes by, the less and less and less likelihood it is that we will see them reprise their roles, because Hollywood has any short memories, so maybe, but I don't know. Happy birthday to Chris time. We also want to say happy birthday to Ellen ware Greer.

1:28:04 She's the actress who played Kila Marr in Star Trek the Next Generation's fifth season episode Silicone Avatar. So you guys don't remember, she's the lady whose son was killed by the Silicone Avatar and Data possesses the memories of her son and she wants Data to pretend to be her son. She kind of goes crazy, freaks out, and yeah, it's not a pretty scene, but that was that episode. Happy birthday to Ellen ware Greer. And last on my list, we want to say happy birthday to Deborah van Vulcan Bird. Before we get too far, I gotta say, because I'm long on the tooth, the one movie that I remember her from the most was the nineteen seventy nine movie No Warriors, Wriors, Warriors. Heay. She she was the girlfriend Mercy of Swan in that movie, and that's the movie I remember her from. I love the Warriors. I love that movie and I loved her in it. But but we're not talking about non star Trek Roles here. We're talking about star Trek Roles. And she played Detective Preston and the Deep Space nine THURSD season episode Past Tense, Part two, The Bell Riots, which were coming up on

1:29:37 pretty soon here, aren't we? Or did we? Marry close now. Today. Yeah, it's very close, Yeah, very very close to the bell riots coming up here. So that's our birthdays for the for the week. Hard to believe, huh, lots of. Good Get up. We did it, We did it for sure. And now it's time for some Star Trek news. I already one message from Starfleet coming in on secure channels. Incoming transmission enter. Authorization code, command codes verified.

1:30:18 The fine parameters of program. Level nine authorization required. SETI fine parameters, Transfer updata is complete. All right. So the first story that we're going to start off with was a story I actually put in the news for Eric last week, you know, along with the with the Pulaski poll. But Eric wasn't here, so I bumped this story up to this week when Eric is going to be here, because Eric always does these stories. So Eric, why don't you get us started? You better believe it, Jim. This week we are continuing our ongoing segment of Shatner says what and this one says at the age of ninety three, William Shatner isn't done making albums, not by a long shot. Captain Kirk loves to make albums After a long hiatus. After the release of the cult outsider music favorite The Transformed Man in nineteen sixty eight. He recorded Has Been in two thousand and four, an album that had an unexpected alt rock radio hit with his cover of Pulse Common People.

1:31:32 William Shatner's music output has been prolific, especially since twenty eleven. If you're counting, he now has a dozen albums. His latest release was done in conjunction with Ben Folds, Yeah of the ben Folds five, the producer of Has Been and Marxi returned to something more orchestral. Shatner is no stranger to performing this way. We can go back to two thousand and eight for Exodus and Oratorio in Three Parts recorded with the Arkansas Symphony. This time it's a performance at the Kennedy Center recorded with the National Symphony Orchestra, entitled So Fragile, So Blue. Also, as you know his Falseth album. It's an album and I filmed it as well.

1:32:15 Note Shatner paid for the recording out of pocket. There's a television documentary coming out too, said Shatner. I have a book out there called Boldly Go, and I think the theme is the universe is taking care of me, strange things have happened. For example, I was doing an event in upstate New York about five years ago. A ten year old kid with an eye issue showed up. Then five years later he appeared again. I told someone I wish I knew the kid was coming, because there was an eye doctor at one of the events some time ago. If I only, if only, if I could only, maybe, if could only put this doctor in this kid, If I could only put this kid in this doctor together, I know something magical would happen. I don't know what his name is or where he is. I'm working on an album now, so random there. I'm working on an album now with Robert schaer Now and Brad Paisley. It's about an idea of mine. It's not about romantic love.

1:33:11 It's about the strange things I love. For example, I love my health because without my health you can't give love. I love my nose because the sense of things remind me of other things. It's things that lead to one kind of love or another. Wow, that article was kind of all over the place, which was really really fun. But I will say that, you know, I mean, this man's got a dozen albums and he just keeps doing his thing. He just keeps shattering as hard as he possibly can every single day. And I love it. I love it, And I love the fact that he loves his nose. You know, if you're gonna love something, man, why not the thing that you look at every single morning when you look in the mirror and it's right there. Your nose is right there. So yeah, you know, Bill, we love those two brothers.

1:34:02 Their love for their nose. Before. I mean, you know, I mean, what was this thing with the kid with the eye in the middle of this thing? It was so confusing and kind of like at first I thought he was, yeah. It makes no sense. I thought. I thought, no, you know, I thought he was. Going to be like there was going to be like a Jesus moment there where he said, like the kid came back five years later and all of a sudden he was healed or something. I don't know. It's just it's a shatnerism. It's he says, what. Yeah. Also, I would say, because we were gym before we move on, because we were just talking about it. The Bell riots apparently occur on Sunday, so get ready get ready for it. But day at September.

1:34:49 First, be prepared to hear a bunch of bells going off at the same. Time, ding ding ding. The bells are riding. The bells are riding. We can't be having that. If I see every books being done in front of my house, is gonna be I'm gonna like probably freak out a little bit. Yeah, it would, it would be. Yeah, you better get him on the podcast. Then, Oh my gosh, can you imagine if we landed him? That would be like landing Yeah, La, it would be almost that good, Jim almost.

1:35:30 And speaking of Lawrence Luckin, Bill Paul got our next stories. That was a yeah, that was that was a very interesting, very interesting segue. But you know, I I what am I? Who am I to say? So let's go okay. Star Trek Khan Seti Alpha five audio drama podcast is currently casting. It was two years ago on Star Trek Day twenty twenty two, math there that Star Trek two, The Wrath of Khan and Star Trek six director Nicholas Meyer officially announced a new audio drama titled Star Trek khn Seti Alpha five. Originally developed as a streaming TV mini series, the project had morphed into an official Paramount podcast series set to examine what happened in the years after Captain Girk left Kahn Noonian Singh on the Untamed world of SETI Alpha five, telling the story of Khan and his followers prior to the events of Star Trek to the Wrath of Khan. According to Meyer, he had written three one hour episode scripts for a TV mini series, and those now form the nucleus of the audio drama podcast, which he expects will end up being nine to ten episodes in length. It started with suggestion made by Alex Kurtzman.

1:36:51 We were sitting in a deli and he said, whatever happened to Corn on SETI Alpha five? And I suddenly remembered that exchange and Citizen King between Kin and Boss Guetty's and Getty says to Kine, you know, if it were anyone else, I'd say that what just happened to you would be a lesson. But you're going to need more than one lesson, and you're gonna get more than one lesson. Oh good, references in't Kenny there? So this is about con discovering that there are more things in heaven than SETI Alpha five that were dreamt of in his philosophy shameless Hamlet reference, and it's now how he copes In Cete Alpha five con is the hero Ba Seed original series, Kirk said to him, you think the genetically engineered man is the measure of all things, I'll give you a chance to prove it. I'll put you on an Eden like planet and let's see if you can build your own utopia as you claim that you're able to. By the end of the story, I wanted people to weep for this man, and I hope you'll understand where he's coming from and what his destiny is and why it is. There are no details available on how Paramount plans to distribute the audio drama podcasts, nor is there a release date as of yet. However, it occurs to me Uncle Jim that given that we're talking about a potential podcast here right, an audio drama, and we're a podcast and some of us in the show are incredible fans of Nicholas Meyer because he is an absolutely legendary director, because he directed from my money, what he'll probably always stand is two of the greatest Star Trek Future films ever, Ratho Khan and Star Trek six,

1:38:22 which we just saw Eric am I right, one of the greatest movies ever. It's my favorite of the original movies. Thank you. I appreciate that vote of confidence very very much. I mean, amazing, dude. He also directed one of my favorite movies of all time ever, Time after Time. Okay, the great HG. Wells Jack the Ripper thriller from back in the day, but a really terrific movie. So let's get Nicholas Meyer on the podcast, right, I mean, I don't know that he's like, I mean, that would be incredible. The stories this guy's got. And he's just very literary. He's very smart. He's not like Eschnorer, right, He's very clever individual. He's made some amazing motion pictures. He's a great writer, right, I mean, really terrific writer. Done a ton of great uh directing in his lifetime. Beyond the Star Trek Universe as well.

1:39:14 What you get he'd be You remember back in the eighties, guys, some of us, I know you You probably remember Uncle Jill. You remember the Day after the Nuclear War movie. That movie scared the crap out of me. When I was a kid. Basically the entire country watched that movie. Okay, it was. It's like, no, this is like a TV drama and it's the one where like the people get nuclear annihilated while hanging on to the fence, and it just is like an image that scarred me for like what. Would happen if if you were a resident of a small town and nuclear holocaust happened? Right? I mean it was just the entire country watched it anyhow, Nicholas Meyer, he's your director. Okay, So this is a guy who's you know, really left an indelible mark and he's not directed a ton He's really more of a writer, right, but when he does direct, this usually something pretty special.

1:40:02 And he's just he's a living legend. I would love to speak with him while he's still with us and not you know, regret that we didn't after he's gone. So you know, we we got a little extra time on the news today. I'm just gonna lobby for that. He also wrote The Voyage Home Star Trek four as well, so, you know, really a tremendous individual and a big Sherlock Holmes aficionado, if my information is correct. So I would absolutely love to suggest that he's gonna want to promote this thing, right and it's a cool idea. Con is a hero, right, the untold story of STEADI Alpha, it's a great idea. I would love to hear his his take on that. So that's my that's my thing. I think it would be just a knockout. Get So let's let's see if he's around.

1:40:49 Oh, I gotta tell you quite quite quite a long time ago in a galaxy far far away. H Nicholas Meyer's Time after Time as a Sherlock Holmes book, right, and he was down in Bennington, Vermont at the Benning HG. Well, HD, Well, but didn't he write didn't he write a Sherlock Holmes book? Well? He did actually, but it's like it's the he originally wrote the what is it? The seven percent solution? Isn't that what he wrote? That's it? That's it. That's it. And he was down at the Bennington College in Vermont promoting this new Sherlock Holmes book at a Sherlock Holmes convention.

1:41:34 Oh cool. Yeah, that was like nineteen seventy six or something like that, right, it was a long Alan Robert Davall, Yeah. Yeah, it was. It was. It was after Star Trek six when this a when it the convention happened. Oh okay, and me and my wife, well she wasn't my wife at the time, we were engaged, and some friends got in our car. We lived out in Albany, and we drove up to Bennington, Vermont to this event just to see Nicholas Meyer and have him sign a Star Trek six poster. And we waited online and we got up there and he says to me that Star Trek follows him everywhere. Everywhere he goes, Star Trek comes up and here we are at a doctor at a Sherlock Holmes convention talking about Star Trek and he he was a pretty cool guy. He signed my poster for me and stuff, and I thought he was pretty cool. And he said, Star Trek follows him everywhere.

1:42:36 But dude, what a great topic, right, because it's like now we can ask him, Hey, Nicholas Meyer, what did you think of what they did with Sherlock Holmes on Star Trek the Next. Generation with the Moriarity exactly? You know he's seen those episodes, right, you know, he's got an opinion about them. He would probably love to dig into that because he's a freaking homes aficionado, right, I mean, it's just that it's like, I mean, we could kill two hours is in like five minutes with this guy. I mean he is also in our sweet spot as far as what he knows. And you've met him once previously, say you have a great story. So it's just like great, So I want to have a living legend, living legend. Do you think that Paramount missed the boat on this because I feel that they blew it big time because right if he wrote a three hour script, why would you make it a podcast when they can make it a movie like they're doing Section thirty.

1:43:33 One and give us a con movie of the week and instead of audio drama. Don't you think. So it cracks? You know, No, I'm with you because it's just it's well, obviously he loves it. He must mean Meyer must think really fondly of the script and the story because he didn't just go okay like every other movie that Paramounts tried to do, like the Quentin Tarantino star Trek and like you know, the you know George Kirk prequel thing that they tried to do, right, all that stuff. They just can't get their shit together and they've been trying to, like you like you were just saying, to try to do another you know Chris Pine track. They can't get it organized. They're just everyone's yelling and arguing and they can't decide and they can't commit. And you know a lot of people would just you know, their project gets abandoned and they just drop and say, well, I guess, you know, onto the next thing. But he must really think that these are great stories, and they sound like great stories because he's determined to tell them, even if he has to jump into a different format, right, and when there's less of the fictions and television, so to me, that released to his character and the strength of the writing that must be in these stories, right, I want it.

1:44:48 It's a great idea. I mean, come on, it's just just you know, you kind of wonder why they didn't do that instead of Rathicon, right, because it's such a cool idea. So, I mean I would have to see. Good goal to start Trek four, start Trek fix. Yeah. He's a smart dude, very literary guy. Right, So it's just with his you know, I mean he you know, with his love of Holmes, his love of H. G. Wells, his love of good thrillers, his love of good literary references, and you know that he's gonna, you know, knock it out of the park that write a literary bunch of I wonder if he's are available online anywhere. I'm gonna have to do a little looking and see. If I can find them. Probably right now.

1:45:28 Well, I hope he is, because it's again, it's just like, I mean, that's a guy that you could, you know, never stop talking to because he just knows so much and he's just with what the stuff he's attracted to. You know that he's just like super versed in the classics. Man. I'd love to get that guy on. I'd just love to sit in the bar with him and let him talk, you know. I mean, all right, well and well, and I guess what I'll say is that I although I do think that this thing could be right for the screen, h I'm actually kind of glad that it's going to happen here. I think is an audio drama. I think that this is a genre that a lot of people are just kind of like stepping into a little bit more. I think people are returning a little bit to the audio drama thing, as we you know, spend so much time in our cars driving from place to place. So I know a lot of people that I know listen to audiobooks or listen to audio dramas and that kind of stuff, and I suspect that they couldn't. I mean, this is pure conjecture, but I'm going to say that they probably couldn't get people to bite on this for television, mostly because it takes casting, it takes a lot more money, and it's a story that kind of fits into some old Star Trek stuff, you know, Star Trek. Strange New World right now is doing what it can to become as adjacent to TOS as possible without stepping on Tos's toes, you know, introducing characters like James Kirk and hat sort

1:46:59 of stuff in two Strange New worlds. I think introducing Con into the screen world too might might just be a little bit too much. So I don't know. I kind of feel good that it's a potential audio drama here. I feel like that might be a good way to enjoy it. I do know that I completely enjoyed the There were some comics, like there was one called uh Raining in Hell that was all about Con while he was ruling on SETI Alpha five. So oh, man, I forgot all about that. Yeah, it'd be cool if they like brought some of that stuff in. Yeah, but this was written by himself. This isn't a comic book. This is written by Nicholas Meyer, the guy that wrote The Wrath of con So he's got a lot of insight.

1:47:46 But at any rate, Yeah, I wonder who they'll cast, because even if it's a voice thing, right, I mean intimidating to fill the shoes of you know, Ricardo, right, I mean, it's just like it's a that's a maybe that's one of the reasons that you know, it got stuck in development health for the longest because honey, honey, you. Know cumber they would use cumber Batch. No, oh, go away, no, No, that's I think they're still trying to undo that one. Man. I'm uh you know, I mean that that. I don't think anybody thinks that that was a great, uh you know, a great move. I think that was a real kind of ham fisted bit of casting. You know, I'd rather see Pedro Pascal, right, I mean, if you're gonna, you know, find somebody who can be a con right, somebody who can really step up, you know, and and really be you know, I mean it calls for something, you know, frankly, Okay, I don't know if you know these movies, right, you're gonna get me on a whole fucking sorry about that, a whole tangent. But you guys watch any Bollywood movies.

1:48:50 Yeah, you talk about Shower, kN talking about I'm talking about because that's why I thought. There's some great stuff. And I don't know if I got the name right, but but Khan's an Indian guy, right, I mean he was you know, a character, right, Yeah, so gast an Indian guy. There's an amazing picture, okay, a really great uh picture? Girl r r r Yeah, Okay, it's really great. I don't know if you've seen it, Eric or not. I have seen it all. Yeah, yeah, but there's all kinds of just super awesome. It stands for a rise Roara Revolt. Right. It's an amazing picture. I mean it's really it's just a knockout hybrid of like action movie and musical. It's just incredible. But there's some really amazing Indian actors in there, like a Jay of Venkata's in there, ram Aluri. I mean, just really astonishing dudes.

1:49:42 Right. Ray Stevenson's in it too. I mean the guy who passed away from Ahsoka, he's in there as well. I mean, it's just an incredible picture. But it's just like it's that's what we should be doing, is we should stop, you know, whitewashing these things right and casting not the wrong ethnicities for things. We should get an Indian actor to finally embody on the way he's supposed to be done. So sorry, Nicholas, my I went off on a tangent on you there, dude. Then you're not even on the show yet, But it's I would love to see them guest somebody like that who really brings like authenticity to uh to a con story and and dig deep. Man, So what do you think of that idea? Eric? Oh yeah, I've been calling that for that for years and I we got the kid, the Indian kid in was that the change?

1:50:28 Yeah? So we finally got like an Indian actor playing at least a young version of Con But yeah, I man, don't get me started on Benedict Loved to death. But yeah, that was just it was you know, you know what they say about good intentions, right, I mean, this is yeah, oh boy, Yeah that that that just didn't I'm a big Benedict company. Yeah, I love the guy, but man, that was just like, you know, it's just like I love you know, I love baked beans and I love red wine. But I don't you're putting you know, baked beans and my red wine. I mean it's just you know, it's no, no, no, And it just was just not just like David's.

1:51:10 Like eighteen and red wine. Don't. It's donut me. So yeah, so interesting. This certainly got us talking, man, But I love it when we just kind of start, you know, get turned on by a topic and we just kind of decide to you know, make it into like a topic. But man, wow, sorry, I got all excited there about Nicholas Meyer and Khan, so shut me up. Please love it. Well. I mean, you know, you've got a lot of great characters that we know, you got Molar mcgivers. They have to cast her as well, and uh, you know Laura Banks, his navigator Joaquin as well. I mean, so there's a lot of characters that they can draw from in this. You know, I just I don't know, I think, yeah, we'll have to wait and see. So Let's see what do we got left seven minutes, David, we got time.

1:52:09 For another story, probably way of a podcast. All right, give it a shot, a slow mo. Here we go. So Sam Richardson told us a big the big way Star Trek Section thirty one differed from the franchise shows, and it totally makes sense. Self profess I assue me, self professed Star Trek fan, Emmy Emmy winner and comedian Sam Richardson will be in section thirty one playing the first tram Camelloyd Caameloyd seen on screen since Star Trek six, he undiscovered country. The actor dropped the key reviewal, which is obvious in hindsight, giving the big personalities we see throughout the footage. What kind of difference about what kind of different about section thirty one is, you know, the other iterations of Star Trek very naval.

1:53:10 It's a ship that has a hierarchy, protocol and train of command, whereas this ragtag bunch they have all these things, but it's a little bit mukier and so a lot a lot of too okay that word. Let us kind of play with that and improvise a little bit while still sticking to a very brilliant script, but everything can be a little dirtier. Section thirty one is the shadow ops division of Starfleets, and while traditional Starfleet members here whispers of existence of its existence, it's not officially acknowledged by the organization. My goal is to further the federation goal when all other traditional methods of diploma she fall apart and they get some leverage to operate right at the line of what's acceptable. While those who watch thirty one with the paramount plus decryption will clock differences between it and the show's director, say it name again, I can't pronounce it early Ton day okay, assured that the movie is still Star Trek and rooted within the universe.

1:54:32 Georgio arriving in Star Trek's lost era offers intriguing opportunity to explore classic characters such as Rachel Garrett, who played by Casey Roll, the younger version of the Doom Captain of the Usage Enterprise. She seen a Star Trek the Next Generation episode Yesterday's Enterprise. Humbly Gans Gonzales plays a Adulton in Star Trek. The Sex Okay, So Gonzales plays a Dalton in Star Trek. Section thirty one. Excuse me. Star Trek's original Dalton, Lieutenant Elia, was played by the late Persius cam Batata. Yeah in Star Trek The Motion Picture.

1:55:23 Dalton did briefly return in Star Trek Picard season two premiere, when Shoji played by Isa Bryones and doctor Angish Girardi played by Alison pill met with Dalton on Ratan four, the Lone Tamloid in Star Trek before Sam richardson shape Shifter Marata played by Amman in Star Trek six The Undiscovered Country, Maretra was among the prisoners of the frozen Clinton Pinalk Colony. We will pente great me sry, but Captain drains Peak Peak Cook and doctor Leonard Bone McCoy was sentenced. Sorry, my Poe, we're getting all kind of clogged up there.

1:56:17 Yeah, David, good job, you got your You squeezed it all in there. David, have a donut I already did for clogged my throat. Up a big bean and red wine donut. Okay, that's gonna make much like a triple. We don't want that. So, uh, next week, guys, I gotta tell you well, first of all, September twenty sixth Uh, we're gonna have lineus on the podcast. So you guys definitely want to mark that in your calendar because you don't want to miss that. Spent a long time in the making. So September twenty sixth, and you can go to our our truck Talking dot com and we forard a message for David and we'll play it on the show and he can answer it for you. So that's cool. Now, next week we have a really good show. I'm excited for this one for David because next week we're going to be talking about the Mirror Mirror and the Great Triple Hunt. Dunt dunt du. Those will we next week's episodes.

1:57:22 So I'm really curious to see what David thinks about the Triple in the Mirror Universe. Interesting. I'm wondering if they're like they procreate real slow and they don't eat a lot. I don't know, they have goateeas, I don't know. Anyway, we'll be one guy, yeah, with go teas. We'll be talking about that next week. You definitely don't want to miss that. That's going to be a lot of fun. And Charles will be back with us next week too, so that's cool. So I want to take this opportunity to say thank you so much to our very own David for hanging out and Trek talking with us tonight.

1:58:03 Thank you, David. Yeah, it's fun. It was really fun. It was fun. And thank you, of course to Paul for hanging out and Trek talking with us. Thank you, Paul. It's my great pleasure. And thank you to all of our listeners across the globe and to all of our very special guests who may be listening. I hope you have a great rest of your week. Whatever you may be doing. I have to reach out to Nicholas Myers and see what I can do. Yes, And of course, thank you so much to Eric for hanging out and Trek talking with us. Thank you Eric. Ah, you better believe you guys. I you know, I never know exactly what I'm getting into on a Thursday night and it but it always makes me smile, so I can appreciate that.

1:58:49 It's It is fun, isn't it? And of course I'm your most excellent host, Uncle Jim saying everybody please stay safe and be good to each other. Remember Star Trek fans are the best fans. You better believe it. Healing frequencies are closed. Good night everybody, Thanks everybody, great time, Nail. Let's see what's out there. Engage.

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