Episode 657 Khan audio drama episode 2 "Scheherazade" review

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0:51 Your phone now. We talk about the series. Were coming to your services now. Now, Well, good evening Trekkies and Trekkers around the globe. But it's Thursday, October ninth, twenty twenty five. Welcome to episode six hundred and fifty seven of trek Talking and Beyond.

1:35 And we're gonna go beyond tonight, don't you worry. We're going beyond, way beyond. With with consent, with consent, Yeah. We're gonna We're gonna be going beyond. So we're gonna have some fun. We are gonna help body no Prime. But before we go too far, though, I would like to introduce my awesome treks Berths. We're gonna start off with Paul. Paul is out in the war ravaged Portland area where I hear it's just a war zone every day. You got a fight for milk and bread. That's right. I had to pull a lot of like big soap bubbles off of my inflatable rabbit costume today. It was I almost didn't make it back here to the studio. So it it's crazy. Yeah, there's there's plastic bags, there's you know, squirrel feces. It's a it's a mess.

2:20 I mean, you never would believe how war ravage Portland is. It is just terrible. So uh hey, you know, let's not forget. I want to send a special momentary shout out to all our friends in New York Comic Con, right because right now is New York Comic Con the next So there's one of fans out there. Maybe some of them are crammed into a bathroom fall listening to our podcast. I like to picture that. Happened as one does. That's one does. But yeah, I thinks are good. I hope we survived the weekend. So thanks Christine. Okay, all right, and also from Portland, we have our very own Eric and how you doing?

3:02 Eric? I'm doing good man. I got my battle armor on tonight, ready to take to the streets and eat some swarma. It should be a good time. And also from Portland, he's got his helmet on. He's ready for battle as well. We have David. He's our miracle work. Or how you doing tonight, David? I'm pretty good. I'm pretty good. It's been quite a day. I had a lot to do, but I got through it. I'm here for a fun time. Who want to have fun? You didn't storm the castle, did you? Well? What do you think I got this right? I'm looking behind you there and not from Portland, but from Virginia, we have v. How you doing tonight?

3:45 V I am doing all right. We finally have some cooler, dryer weather, so I'm very happy. So I'm not melting like I have been this last week because like, who has eighty degrees in October? Yeah, it's supposed to go down into the twenties here in Vermont, so it's supposed to be real cold tonight. And last, but definitely not least from Las Vegas, we have our very own Charles. How you doing tonight? Charles, I'm doing good and joined. The weather's in the eighties and not nineties plus, though we might see some seventies next week, but in the in the inside studio because the monsoons are passing through because of the latest hurricane in the Pacific, so the weather's unpredictable.

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5:41 I wonder what that's all about. What actor do you share a birthday with? Find out on our sci fi birthdays this week. You notice I changed it. It's not just Star Trek, it's sci Fi as well. And what's going on around the Star Trek universe? Shatner says, what, he's back again, and he's back in the news. Could we be seeing longer Star Trek seasons if one Star Truk producer has his way, that could happen a Star Truk scouts the Starfleet Academy news. So that's what we're going to be talking about tonight. So sit back, relax, have a good time, and hang out with the truck spurts. Every week we do our fan shout outs and where do we get our fan shout outs? From our Facebook page?

6:26 You can go to Truk Talk and beyond you will see pinned to the top of the page. I'll live long and prosper saying where are you from? Tell us where you're from. Leave lots of emojis. It gets my attention. If you see a heart next to your name from yours truly, uncle Jim, then you are going to be featured on a future fan shout out. So Eric, do you want to get us started with our fan shout outs this week? I absolutely do, Jim. We're starting out this week with saying Hello to Sharon Puling. Sharon Pulan is saying hello to us from summrset and beautiful Tasmania, Australia. A beautiful island down south of the mainland Australia and nothing between us and Antarctica. Wow. That's pretty cool, man. Totally different geography from what we've got up here. But I think I'd like to visit Tasmania, except I understand that it's rife with spiders, so I don't know. That's a little weird, but just saren, thank you for saying hello to us from down under. We appreciate it. Also saying hello this week to Wayne Till. I believe we've heard from you before. Wayne, I seem to remember your name, but thanks for saying hello to again. Thanks for saying hello again. You are from Hampshire, England and you're sending us not only that beautiful English flag but also the Union Jack waving proudly.

7:42 Thanks Wayne. Also saying hello this week to Petra catoun Te catoun Tea who's saying hello to us from Munster, Germany, sending us that nice, live long and prosper hand. I'll say peace and long life to you, Petra. And last, but not least, on my list, I'd like to say hello this week to Darren Apken who is in Wales, and Paul, you got to help me out here. What is that, sim Rue? Is that how you're huh three three from Cree is a very different Hey? Yeah, I knew you would know that, so thank you so much. And Darren, good thing. We got Paul here to back me up, buddy, Thanks for saying hello to us. Charles, who would you like to say hello to?

8:27 Oh? Thank you Eric. Let's start off with gg Gabora from Chicago. Welcome Gig. Welcome to Stone Reed Marshall from Wichita Falls, Texas. Welcome. Welcome to Adam Savage from southeast London. Oh, I want to get back to London. And welcome to Tom Aaron C from Mississippi but originally from Northern California. Love Northern California. You got a couple of cities I need to be visiting one of these days. So.

9:07 I guess some v disappeared on us. I'll just keep on going to help out. It's welcome Jill Meadows Smith. Yes, there really is a kind of Kalama Zoo, Michigan. Welcome Joseph Chadwick from Arkansas. Here's we are saying that I'm that used to be an Oklahoma guy. Ah well, good luck being from being from Arkansas. And Joseph. Welcome Chris Chris land Roach live and work in Yossemi National Park, California. Wonder why, I ha ha, I think that'd be an interesting place to work Chris. And welcome Ryan M. Tarvi's from Virginia Beach, Virginia. I wonder if you he recognizes Ryan at all? Oh, who's on your list?

10:06 Thank you, some commander Charles. Let's move here, Oh very well. The States back over to the Colossus Colossal Europe, where lots of things are going on. First of all, going to say he Lo to our pal Yuli host in Vltho, Germany three two six oh two. That must be some kind of special CLO code they're using. Lotho. There wasn't Lotho. The guy from Ghostbusters too. I'm not sure if they're related or anyhow. Uli is flashing one of these to us, and you can only see what I'm flashing if you're a Patriot. Remember, Sorry, everyone else, you just have to get on board. So we'll move on out of there, and we'll head over to a little Sonnier climbs to Fiorenzi to Florence, Italy, to alex Vecchio.

10:50 Alex Vecchio. That's a good Italian name, my friend. It's great to hear from you. I love knowing that there's representation for all things track in Florence that somehow restores my faith. And then we got a top fan sneaking in here. Everybody make room, make room. We've got a top fan. You give them room to breathe. Okay, friends, I mean, my god, this isn't just a top fan. This is Mela Lutus from Kaiser slout in Germany. How about that, right? And they got the big you know, Vulcan. How do you do happening there as well, Kaiser Sloutern. That sounds like something you should not say on a first day. Hey, Kaiser Slouten, I mean, I mean that could get you in all kinds of trouble get him. It sounds like a delicious sausage to me. I don't know, it.

11:31 Sounds like something that will get you slapped in the face. Hey, my little kaiser Slutern, would you like to go to visit Blotho with me? And you know, the next thing, you know, you've got a big red one on the side of your face. And then down the road in Belgium we have our friend Daniel impa. Is everyone all right? It seems like people are having hard time breathing on the podcast your your Aloin's friends. It's only the first ten minutes of the show. There's still much more or to come. Let's pass this birthday candle over to venerable Uncle Jim or uncle. It's a shout out megaphone yet. Ball megaphone, Thank you much, window too much, Window Payton.

12:17 Before the show. They do it, does it does? It's it's we're war ravaged up here in Rutland too. You know they're coming for our milk and cheese and our pot. We can't have that. What about your your maple syrup? Maple syrup too. That's that's a commodity right there. Yeah, so I want to say thank you so much to John who Black Junior, who's listening to us in Oswego, New York. Thank you for listening, John. I also want to say thank you to Carl Stevens who's listening to us in Texas right now, remember the Alamo. We also want to say thank you to Rami back Dottie, who's a rising. I'm sorry he's not rising. He's a top contributor and he's in New York. Us of A. And last, but definitely not least, we want to say thank you to Holly Harris van brose Kerk, who's listening to us in Ohio. I didn't have any emojis to report there, unfortunately, but that's okay. If you guys can head over to Trek Talking and Beyond tell us where you're listening from.

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14:01 The LiNpO Lin Polan you know me like no win what you thought about the show. Then we try to share your opinions with all of our minions out there because they listen worldwide. So tell us just what you think. Get together we will all drink Canara and robylin A ton. I love that song, Eric, I remember, the more I hear it, the more I like it. That's one of my favorites. And I tried to sing it as schmultzy as possible too. It's you know, so hopefully the schmaltz came across.

14:43 You know, we have to dig out, we have to try to find the enterprise. You know, I was thinking about that, Jim, because you mentioned that like a week or two ago, and I we could. But the problem is that the whole concept of that song was it was called faith that you'll call. That was back when we had the live call in numbers so we could play it, but we don't have the live call in number anymore. So it's a great song. You might have to write a new one. Though, so Eric, believe it or not, David has some surprise when we get to our videos tonight. He came up with something new and we tried it, and I thought it was kind of cool. So I think you guys are going to be surprised. I hope you'll like it.

15:26 But before we go too far, Every week on our truck Talking and Beyond Page, I'll throw different polls and I ask you guys the fans, what you thought, and then we collect your answers and we read them back on the air. So David, you're ready to roll out exciting tape. It's unfortunate that you'll be leaving these people without experiencing one thing they have to. Offer, such as alcohol, frozen fish sticks, the constant threat of nuclear annihilates. There's much more to them. You just refuse to see it. I've seen enough.

16:07 I haven't I plan to stay here. If this is your attempt at humor. They're on the verge of countless social and technological advancements. I have the unique opportunity to study an emerging species. That's what you've done, much closer than we anticipated. Your duty. It's a return to Vulcan and report your findings. There's still more to learn about these people, But I don't intend to remain in Carbon Creek. Where would you go to one of their larger cities at first? After that, I'm not certain. There's so much to see.

16:47 The high command will never allow it. Tell him it's not possible to me. Perhaps I can arrange for you to be on the next survey ship in another twenty years, running more statistical scans from high orbit. That's not enough. Where's your captain? He was killed in the crash. There were four Vulpan support Your vessel, Maestroll died in the crash as well.

17:31 We cremated their remains. All right, So you saw the tape. What's the question, Eric, I. Have a lot of commentary about this one. So in the Star Trek Enterprise second season episode Carbon Creek, which of course is a must see episode Vulcan Science, our officer Mastral decides to remain on Earth in the nineteen fifties. Do you agree with the decision to allow him to remain behind and surprisingly, ninety three percent of our responders said yeah, yeah, let him stay, Let him stay. Only seven percent said come on home. First of all, I feel like alcohol fish sticks, and the constant threat of nuclear annihilation also sounds like my childhood, so that lasted for a really long time. And secondly, vulcans can't lie.

18:34 Uh hello, Paul tells a whopper right here. And thirdly, what about the whole like temporal prime directive situation there? Man Like, Yeah, I have to go against the minions on this one. Man, I don't think letting him stay behind was the correct thing to do. There's there's some kind of paradox created by that, I'm pretty sure, because if he dies, then can he still be born in the few? I don't know. There's you know, these things get complicated when there's temporal stuff involved. So so I disagree with the minions, but somebody else may have a differing opinion. Anybody else want to take up that mantle quick question?

19:18 The question in the poll says, do you agree with the decision to allow him to remain behind? So the decision was sort of made by collectively like the other members of his team. Well, I did it well? It could be worded differently. Do you agree with his decision? I also think that technically, like to Paul was sort of in charge of the team, so you know, you could say. She makes the cover story, right, she kind of you know, yeah, like faking his death kind of thing, so you. Could say, ultimately was her responsibility and he's the one that requested it. Yeah, I can't. I think these are some of the most spring Vulcans I've ever heard. That's because it's nighttime in there, trying to be very make them. We must not make them all. We must all whisper with our stocking cops on. I kind of I'm kind of with Mester all there, right. I like his rebelliousness and the fact that he's propelled by curiosity. He's like a scientist.

20:14 He doesn't want to leave, right. He doesn't want to just be like a you know, uh, you know, making you know, whatever you makely boring gadgets or widgets. That's what I'm looking for. He doesn't want to be a widget puncher right in the Vulcan Science Academy. He wants to get out there and run amongst the dandelions and see what things are like. And he's curious, right, he has a romantics attraction to Earth, so it's it's surprising that they let him do it. But you know, I think, you know, maybe it's just because in this day and age, I just really think that I have to support rebellious free spirits. Man, So I'm going to go with the with the minions on this one because I like his I like his need to know and to be to explore.

21:04 I guess the real question is that they lied, both both to Mer and other Vulcan dude whose name I don't remember, they lied, But. Isn't there a chance though, Guys that like who said that Vulcans cannot lie, right, there was a spot that it could just it could just mean more Vulcan bullshit, right, just basically, if we tell them that we can never lie, don't believe everything we say, it's not so good. Was it an in Wrath of Calm? Where was it Savic that said you lied? And Stock says I exaggerated, that's true, So maybe this is exaggeration.

21:55 You're right, boy. I mean, the interesting fact is that this dude's been running on Earth since nineteen fifty four, and like, we haven't heard anything from him. Or so he did a really good job of staying under cover. Yeah, and he took a lot of tilent all. He's the one that started Area fifty one. Guys, it's obvious. Oh yeah, there was an episode about that too. I just that that. I think Carbon Creek is probably one of the best episodes of Star Trek that's out there. And if you guys have not watched it because you didn't like Enterprise, but please check that episode out. It's oh well, you know, fun fact, it's according to canon, Estralla is now a Stephen Miller. Actually, no, it seems like similar.

22:49 He doesn't look like much smaller, he doesn't look like so. Yeah. Oh boy. Anyway, the Carbon Creek is a great episode. Really, what do you think, David? I I had to go for a minute. Did you you agree with the minions? So this was a story told by DePaul, and since we had just established that Vulcans can lie, is she lying about that vulcan staying on Earth? I don't know. I mean, it's just a story that she was telling. It could be made up. Does she lie about creating Velkrel. Maybe trying to get famous? I guess, but I would actually have to say I agree with the minions just because being on an alien planet, it's actually kind of finding to explore, even if you do have some form of time directive, as the Vulcans may or may not have at that time. But yeah, I think I think it would have been really interesting to explore an alien world, get to experience their culture and what they had to offer, and so I think making new decision to stay on there probably what I would have done.

24:05 Now do you think David that he uh he pond fart and got jiggy with it with that woman Maggie. Well, do we have an O rated version of the Patreon? I mean, you know, maybe there's some half Vulcan, you know, dude running over. Maybe that's where Sidebok came from. I was waiting for that reference. Yeah, gotta throw that in there. Well, but but the flaw in that is that, uh, because I have that, I have that Star Trek I need to dig it out. Man. I have all the Star Trek stuff that I haven't seen in forever, But it was this record of Star Trek and on it was sorry describing how stock came into the world, and there was intense I guess medical intervention needed. So I don't see how this vulcan have gotten with anybody. I mean he could have, sure, but had kids, I don't know because they wouldn't have been able to I guess have them without medical intervention, which they don't know about in the nineteen fifties. So that's my.

25:15 Well good, I mean good theory. But we do see spots birth in Star Trek three, right. Excuse me, Star Trek five, the Final Front Fire whatever. I always forget about that one. B. I don't think. I don't think your record is canon. B. I think that's something that Mark Leonard did to make a quick book. Okay, all right, you know which one I'm talking about, though, right, I don't have to. Because two people have medical intervention when a baby needs to come out doesn't. Mean every day. All right, Well, I. Look at Kier on DS nine, you know with yeah, Well, I mean I don't know.

26:03 I don't see a lot of cross pollenization on Star Trek. So just just don't go on Reddit and look up any sort of anatomy with Cardassians or anything, because you will regret it. Don't ask me how. I don't don't be doing that that would be a bad thing people have. This conversation explains a lot people have pictures, Patre, I haven't said anything. I haven't said anything. This is not for children. But yeah, there's just you can go and discover it yourself. But I'm not saying anything. Just now I have to Yes, you do anything? Is that the way? Is it like a cat? You know?

26:45 But what a cat has? Sure it has something to do? No, No, you don't know what a cat has. No, No, it has nothing. It has no No, they have nine lives. It's kind of. So I know, we know, we know, yes, yes, no, I don't know anyway, but yeah, just do it. Okay, education. I just I struggled to get back connected because my whole thing went bluey. So maybe I should have just pretended like, oh I can't get back on. That would have made so much.

27:28 That the whole thing went to blueing. But that's another story. Yeah, he had too much time and all for sure to and his escalator didn't work. All right, guys, So let's move on to this. You want to roll the tape, Yeah, I can get it going all right. Stoppy doesn't fly first, that's all normal. One we have to in my ready room. Now return a commander. You have to bridge, Yes, Captain compeared up privacy.

28:11 Contre you challenge me, I apologize for Did you realize that kind of talk can destabilize a crew? Don't underestimate them. I've overseen their exercises. They're ready for battle. Battle is not assimilation. It's blood and screams and funerals. I thought you better than this. We don't start shooting on a. Hunch, and we don't take innocent lives period. I understand your history with the Klingons. Commitment to this course of action is not emotional. We target its neck, cut off, its hair, still injured. You're not. Your lives will be lost. Because of failure to ask lives victims of your imaginary war, your life, Captain.

28:56 Yours commanded that? All right? Wow? So this is right from the very beginning of Star Trek Discovery, and you saw the clip what's the question? Eric? In the Discovery episode Vulcan Hello, the Vulcan Hello, Captain Georgio goes with a diplomatic solution rather than attacking the Klingons as suggested by the executive officer Burnham. Do you agree with her decision and this one, folks is split fifty to fifty. Fifty percent of our responders said yes, what could go wrong? I think we've figured that out, and fifty percent said no, these are Klingons, we must eviscerate them. So yeah, I uh, you know, this is another one of the questions. It's kind of like, well, you sort of had to do it the one way for the whole like season one, to actually occur the way it did, but in a vacuum. I think I agree with uh with Burnham. I mean, we we figure out later that Burnham is has a really good intuition.

30:00 She makes an excellent captain. She's like, you gotta come to the Klingon's table and do what the Klingons would do in this scenario, and that's not what Georgio does, and as a result, we get a war. Right, So if she had cut the head off instead, perhaps we could have avoided the Kleon war. And this is one of those questions, this particular one. We I think we discussed it from Burnham's point of view when the episode aired. I think we had this discussion when Burnham talks to Sarah, but we haven't had it from Georgia's point of view, and she's a diplomat along the lines of Catho Piccard. So I think that Georgio is, you know, always looking for a diplomatics. And she says there starfleet doesn't fire first, and I think that she's I think she's on the right side, but I think she's not being objective enough. I mean, these are Klingons, right had she attacked, would the war have still raged? Who knows? I mean, the Vulcans were able to staff off the Klingons by attacking them, but I don't know. I'm kind of with Burnham on this one.

31:16 I think if they had attacked and killed the Kuma blew up a ship, you know, the war wouldn't have really gone anywhere because he was the fuse that was lighting it all. You know, he was the martyr, he was the one that started it. And if he silenced him, you know, would that have silenced because the other Klingons really weren't going to follow him until Core shows up. Anyway. Yeah, yeah, I think this scene not to like give another one of my opinions, but I'm going to I think this scene sort of shows that Burnham has a cultural sophistication that Georgio doesn't have, and that Georgio is only looking at it as a starfleet like through a starfleet lens, right, whereas Burnham's actually able to you understand it from a broader cultural context, which makes her, in the end, I think, a better captain.

32:09 But yeah, so this is a fifty to fifty one. So yeah, how about you, Paul, which part of the fifty are you on? Well, what a surprise. The audiences in our United States audience is completely divided. How shocking. I gotta go with Captain Georgia on here, frankly, just because it's while you know, everybody makes good points about what Burnham's perspective is and what her thoughts were, and her reasoning and all of that stuff. Right at the end of the day, you do not speak against your commanding officer on duty in a live situation like that. It is just absolutely not done. It is insubordination. It's borderline mutiny. If she was really an intelligent character and she was raised among Vulcans, she would say, Captain, I got to talk to you for a second.

32:58 Guy, speak to you in your ready room or whatever. But you don't do that, and countermand her orders on the bridge in front of the crew. It's just it's you know, you're done. Yeah, it's just not it's not acceptable. It's immature and rash, and it's it's a really bad example, and it's a it's a really frankly you're thrown on the brig. You just don't do it, you know. So, yeah, she's she's impulsive. I mean I get that this is the kind of writing they wanted to do that show that she's an impulsive, you know, undisciplined character, which is what she's like that first part of the uh you know, of the first season of the show, contraryor of all can upbringing. She's like a petulant child, right, But you do not go against your captain. I mean, it's one thing to take him off in sidebar, say listen here, here's why I think we should maybe higher, you know, but but you don't go up against what your captain says in the crew. That's right, you're right out of starfleet on your hands. So yeah, sorry as well, she may have good intentions, you don't go up against the captain.

33:55 It's just not done. How about you, V What do you think? I agree with Paul and I just I want to know if a Bulcan Hello is anything like a Romulan goodbye? Very similar? Okay, good yeah, yeah absolutely. Coming from Navy background, you know, in the real life military, yeah, you would have your your butt in the brig very quickly. And actually earlier I was watching All Good Things Tang where Beverly Crusher. You know, when Card is going through time and he speaks out. Of course he's all confused because he's going through multiple times, but she just absolutely rips into him for aside for speaking speaking against her wishes or her orders in front of the crew. So yeah, you just don't do.

34:50 That, all right, What do you think, David, could the war have been prevented? Since we're on the topic of Vulcan Hello, Romulin goodbye? How about Kardashian surprise? But uh so I have to agree with Paul and be on this one that you don't go against your captain. And I do agree that the idea of doing a diplomatic solution first is always the best solution. War is really horrible and nobody should have to go through that. But on the other hand, the idea that since she had intel about the clean on having to you know, always attack first, maybe, but at the same time, yeah, no, I'm gonna I'm gonna go with Georgia, she said, and that she made the right question.

35:48 All right, that goes to you, Charles, what do you think. I'm gonna go with Burnham on this one? Because as we've seen progression captains, this kind of shows a captain that does not trust her crew member's opinions. Her opinions are firm, and she goes exactly the way she wants to go. I would see Pike listening saying, Okay, I've you got an opinion, let me hear it. I want to hear the story behind it. I want reasoning. Let's get a reason for this happening. And I think this is things that Burnham would do on her ship. So I think it kind of shows the way Georgio takes the anger, that Georgio doesn't trust her crew that you follow her rule or else. And I think that makes it a captain that people fear but don't always trust, and that's not always that's captains.

36:53 And I think Paul was right because this is this is the first episode, and it's a stable plishing, you know, how petulant and how much growing Burnham needs to go through before she gets to where we know she eventually gets. So this is a good place to start with her character because we know where she ends, all right. So, guys, that wraps up our polls, please head over to Trek Talking and Beyond. And I haven't put a new one up yet, but I'll come up with something and throw it up there and you guys can answer it. So now now it's time for some trivia. And you know what that music means. It's once again time to put on your thinking caps and join us for Star Trek trivia time with Uncle Jim.

37:40 All right, So I've decided to go Beyond Beyond, Beyond Beyond this week because we always do Star Trek, and so I wanted to do something a little bit different. So here we go. We're gonna be a little bit different, and you're gonna notice the birthdays might be a little bit different as well. But different is good. I think change is good, and so we're going to go for it. So, Paul, are you ready for the first question? Shock is not Star Trek related. It's all right. So in the classic sci fi horror film Alien, what was the name of Ripley's cat tick tom Ta.

38:22 Well, you know that would be Jones or Jonesy get shut out from Brett and Parker. But yeah, Jones. Yep, that's right. Okay, Eric, you ready, I have a Star Trek question. I couldn't remember the name of the cat, so now I'm a little worried. We'll see. Okay, name an actor that was killed by both a predator and an alien. Oh you mean did you say name an actor, like the actor's name? Yeah, the actor, yeah, because it's not a character crossed. Well, that would probably be Bill Paxson, right, because he's he's going straight to hill and then he plays that guy with like the fedora in in the Predator movie. And doesn't he also in Predator too?

39:14 Yeah? And and isn't he also in in Terminator too? Yeah? Like he hits all three of those franchises. It's all three of them. Yeah, nice night for a walk eh yeah yeah, right, yeah, that's right. Cool, good question. So yeah, so we're we're for two so far se non Star Trek, non Star Trek, the truck spurt. Our knowledge has not just siphers. Well, okay, at any rate, David, that's one. Of those words like moist that you want to use in like this little bit, little. Bit special occasion words.

39:57 So the pressures on David a Star Trek question, Okay, but I you know, so, uh what member of Rogue Squadron survived the Battle of you haven't? That would be Star Wars, the Battle of haf the Empire strikes Back, and the Battle of Indoor Return of the Jedi. Ah the Rogue Squadron retained to X wings. And but Haff is in there, yep, because he flew a speeder.

40:38 Because he was in a speeder too, I think, oh my goodness. So I'll give you a hint. It was wedge Wedge Antillies. That's right, Okay, yeah, yep, Big bigs bites it, but wedge Wedge makes it through all the movies congratulates. So we're we're we're style. And but now it's up to v uh oh uh uh, he's got this. He's got so not a Star Trek question, but an eighties cheese question. And I love the eighties cheese. Eighty sci Fi's is the best, so Arnold Schwarzenegger is known for his one liners and the James Cameron classic determinator. He utters the phrase, I'll be back. Name another eighty sci fi movie where he utters the same line.

41:37 Now, this was tricky because he says a variation of this line in quite a few movies, so I was trying to find out exactly which one, and apparently it is total recall. Is that right? Well I was the movie that I well, I give you a hint after he utters this line. The person that he utters the line too, says only in reruns. Hmm, okay, yeah, because I was, because I came up with like twelve different movies.

42:24 Well, I just I literally, I literally just watched this movie because there's a new remake of it coming out. And I said to myself, why So I went back and I watched it, and I said, that's a good question. Well, Richard Dawson. Richard Dawson is the guy that he says the line too, who happens to be a talk show host. Well, I don't know, okay, I just googled it, and now I understand Paul's miming. I've been watching Paul. Would it be? It wouldn't be? I think of all the movie is now twins. No, right, that's right. Well, it was kind of sci fi because you know, the genetic engineering.

43:12 A man having a baby. I don't know. I thought, I thought I did my research and the internet lied to me. So I got nothing. Paul, you want to pull it out. Well, it's actually too just just to clear it up, right. The movie in question is, of course The Running Man, right Stephen King Richard Bachman book of the same time, but he also says it in the cult fave Commando. He says, he says, I'll be in that as well, right, because they were basically everybody was really when they made them, clearly.

43:52 But also the same line in Kindergarten Cotton. He says it again if you go back and looking like Expendables too, which is I don't recommend. Was the one I think I was thinking of because I thought it was a comedy movie too. But then when I was like, wait a minute, funny line in Kindergarten cop is when he's got a headache and the kid insists that he has a tumor, and they said, it's not a tumor. It's not a go see a guynacologist. That is what he says. I know, the student says that anyways. Anyway, So Paul, Paul's Paul's on fire here in the nineteen nineties TV series SeaQuest DSV, what actor plays Nathan Bridger his only TV appearance.

44:43 Well, I think it's an actor who, in this case finally found the bigger boat he was saying that everybody else was going to need, which is of course the late great Roy Scheider. And you know what, we got to do a SeaQuest show. I think I really do Roy Royce app The Bridger would have been a great star fleet captain, I think. And well, there's a punch show. It was a punch show. I mean yeah, the shows where well, like Space nineteen ninety nine where they really changed a lot of stuff around, like Midway, right, I mean like they went crazy. They really struck it up, right, you know, that would be fun and I would love to do like I don't know if anyone else is of the right vintage for this, but I'd love to do an Irwin Allen show, right like you know in the sixties and early seventies and Landed the Giants Lost in Space. Boy, it's the bottom of the sea. This makes me your sequest makes me think of Voyage at Bottom of the Sea right away. But those were some great sounds.

45:37 Absolutely well, we'll schedule something, all right, Eric, you're ready. Kind up a star kind of a Star Trek question with a multitude of answers, a plethora of correct answers. In fact, you can't get this one wrong. Hey, we'll see all right. Carl urban is best known to Star Trek fans is playing Leonard Boy in the Star Trek reboot movies. Name another character in another franchise that he is portrayed, and there are many of. Them, like any character in any franchise that he's portrayed. Uh, well, I you know, I will admit that I'm a total sucker for Judge Dread comics, and so he played Judge Dread.

46:26 And actually that movie wasn't that bad, even though I do have a soft spot in my heart for the Sylvester Stallone version. But yeah, I I don't know. I thought he did a great job in that movie. Movie. Dude, it's it's a good movie. And I some people just can't get into that like general genre of stuff, but I totally dug him in that role. Yeah, I've heard that Amazon is trying to lure Carl Urbin in with money to do a Dread series. Okay, okay, they may you may get because they've been trying to do another movie forever, and I think that it would really lend it so well. Yeah, I mean, if you want to, like, if you want to follow some of the stories that are in the comics at all, you really need more time than a two hour movie to be able to do it, because that there's a lot of stuff in that world that gets you watching.

47:15 I hate to derail, but are you watching Peacemaker at all? I have not been. No, he absolutely should be. It's kind of also like Judge Dread tone wise, it's hilarious. It's just it's gory, as you can imagine, but it's also really funny and clever and uh and just weird. It's really weird. It's great. Is that Is that the show where they blow off the guy's penis? I might have left if that happened. It could be the guy. With the gold helmet, right, he wears a gold helmet. Yeah, yeah, okay, well it's like silver, it's silver. Yeah. I watched that one episode. I was like, okay, interesting, you know, it's.

47:59 A watch the if you I here's my what I'd say. Watch the first ten minutes, Eric, and if you're not laughing like a maniac at the first ten minutes of the first season episode, that you won't like it. All right, I'll check it out one. But it's hysterical, you know, Eric. I don't know anything about Judge Dread at all, never heard of it, don't know anything about it. But I did see the movie because we're talking about eighties cheese and Stallone was about as eighties cheesy as as you can be. And so I loved I just loved the way he played Dread. It was just cheesy, one liners, just fun. And then when the when the new one came out, it was more serious and gory and it was a totally different tone that I wasn't prepared for.

48:43 So maybe if I go back and watch it knowing that again, I might enjoy it more. Yeah, I mean it's definitely a better movie, you know, like as as movies go. Now, what urban doesn't he kind of has down, but not I don't think to the Stallone level. Is the shape of the mouth, like that whole like constantly frowning thing that Dread always has. Yeah, it's Paul's got it there. Yeah, put a helmet on that. Guy, there's a trivia question that I don't know if anybody knows, do you know why Sylvester Stallone has the droopy lip? Anybody knows never. Got punched too much in the face doing the Rocky movies.

49:27 Well, and this is from reading back before the internet, reading like a People magazine or something. Apparently when he was born, he was he had to be delivered by four steps and it kind of squished his face and damaged the nerves. So there you go, there's. That image, not just fun but educational as well. I don't know, or just having a knowledge past. Okay, yeah, I don't I'm I don't know why I brought that up. But moving on with trivia, Charles gets a question, and this this You're gonna be shocking you hear this one? This one is pseudo Star Trek related Lawrence Lucking Bill, who is best known among Star Trek fans such as myself for playing Cybok and the awesome Star Trek five the Final Frontier motion picture. Who is his famous mother in law m Well, he talked about he talked about this on the podcast.

50:31 Well, I guess he had an easy way of getting into DESI louse Studios having lose sil Ball as a mother in law. Yeah, isn't that what a shock that is? Huh? I had this, You knew that I could. I was gonna sneak, Yeah, sneak in Star Trek for like something's want to hear about, or Star Trek two like we're doing with the. Podcast with the podcast mm hmm. But so that was our Star Trek five reference for the night. So, David, are you ready? I uh oh so uh. Jerry Goldsmith composed the music for Star Trek the Motion Picture. I think one of the best soundtracks.

51:25 Can you name another Star Trek film that he scored? This is an easy one. Another Star Trek one. It's one of the best movies ever made. Guy, Yeah, didn't he do? Like, well, okay, that's not the best Star Trek movie ever made. He scored four total movies. Four one of them. Okay, I think I know one of them, which was to Put Contact one. I think that was.

52:07 Yeah. I wasn't going to say died, but I wasn't sure if that would one. I'm glad you didn't. That was one of them. So I haven't one of them. Yeah, all right, we're going to swing back to v. Yeah, he gets our next question, who has directed more Star Trek episodes than anyone else? This is a Star Trek related question with a Star Trek related. If the Internet lied to me again, but I came up with Jonathan Freaks. That's right, the bomb who takes freaks. You got to get him on the podcast.

52:49 Yes, Oh my gosh, that would be so I can tell him again that he is still Riker hot. Riker hot, and he has very fan The last question, well, I thought this went up just for Paul all right. Michelle Yoe is the most recent Star Trek actor to win an Oscar. Name another Star Trek actor who has also won an Oscar? Well, and Andrew. I won't just name one, I'll name several because there's quite a few luminaries, yes Academy Awards on their on their banisters, who have dipped their toe in the Star Trek universe. Zoeys Aldana would be one, of course, from the Star Truck JJ Abrams things f Murray Abraham because he needed to put a down payment on the condominium, so we took that role. Keith Carrodine is another one. Our good evil evil villainous from Deep Space nine Louise Fletcher, Uh, what the goldberg is? Another Joel Gray, Christopher Plumber, Christopher Plumber for crying out loud, and then Jamie Lee Curtis, right, Jamie Lee Curtis, who was also in that. That's right, we're trying to I'm still trying to forget that section thirty one ever happened?

54:12 But you know, film is forever, as they tell me, So she was in that as well, and then just about to debut shortly on Starfleet Academy, Paul Jim Hotti. So yeah, tons and tons of gold hefton ask your folks appearing in Star Trek. So the truck spirts did pretty good and non Trek related trivia not bad at all, all right, guys. So now we're gonna move on to the meat and potatoes. The main topic of our show tonight, and that is the Star Trek Radio Drama con And for that we're gonna have Paul give us a quick synopsis and then we're gonna dive right in. So the mic is yours, Paul?

54:58 All right? So yeah, this this episode two, going back to storytelling mythology entitled Shaharazad, and as the episode starts, Khan is kind of avoiding Marla mcguiver's there, she's fallen out of favor, but then he kind of circles back and rethinks things. The potential threat Usurper guy from the previous episode I Hugo is suddenly turned up dead, and it's very unclear what happened to him. Did he take his own life, did he have a bad fall, or was he pushed that kind of thing, so we don't really know. But a lot of this episode focuses on an initial hunting trip out into the vault of Citi Alpha VIV what they learned about all these kinds of new dangers. And we have our first run in with a SETI eel and we get a lot of really good character development between Cohn and Marla over a very cool calampfire conversation, and it's Marlon mcgivers herself who uses the tale of Shaharazad to explore these conflicting historical accounts of his rule, kind of leading him out with the idea that history is written by the winners right is an expression that she uses quite a bit. So we're really getting into some interesting character development of this episode.

56:20 I liked a lot of it because we're really kind of out on this overnight hunting trip a lot of it, right, And it's everyone's kind of looking within a little bit more to kind of figure out what makes each other tick. Right. What was it that drew Marla to Khan in the first place? Besides his personal charisma? Right? She violated Earth to Starfleet, her loyalties to her captain, her shipmates. You know what kind of person does that? Right? Is it? Because she was weak driven by passion, and she's actually willing to ask herself those kinds of questions, which I think is really cool. And as she presses Khan for more of his story, right, she relates the story of you know, Seherazade and kind of you know, draws parallels there, and her main point is that, you know, okay, historians have told your story con right, such as herself. She's a historian, right, But what about the gaps in everyone's else's knowledge about everyone else?

57:20 Right? So it's really an interesting kind of an almost like a dance between the two of them trying to reach deeper into getting each other's stories. These are both two characters who are carrying wounds of one kind or another, and are both very protective of their privacy. They both wear armor and guard a lot of things out there, and it's kind of hinted at that without openness or transparency, there could be no real intimacy between two people. And we're not really sure what's going to happen, if these two are going to come back together and be able to be together as a couple or not, because transparency requires vulnerability, and I think it's interesting to see the question asked, you know, how can you be vulnerable if you've been wounded so deeply in the past, Right, And then all of this sharing is kind of cut short by this attack of an ominous bug like insect with terrifying larvae that I'm sure we all have encountered earlier in a cinematic upbreaking. I'm a SETI eel there, And so it's really interesting. I like the fact that this episode portrays Cohn with a lot more compassion.

58:36 Right. He even does humor at one point, like somebody on his team like belches really loudly and he's like, you know, didn't I warn you we don't use chemical weapons, And he's kind of like, you know, a softer con in a way. Right, So it's very character driven. Marla talks about how she viewed Beyond the Enterprises being like a prison right and she needed a sense of freedom, and she also wanted to document this moment in history that she felt he was about to embark upon. So I thought it was really interesting. One of CON's number is killed by a giant boar and another character is injured badly.

59:17 But I think it's interesting to sort of get a little bit more of a sense that Cod is a flawed leader. But and I found that for me, it made him more relatable and more sympathetic. So it's interesting, and I think just poking a couple other things on my notes, I think that that's most everything there. The episode ends with con vowing to you know, go out and face the planet's dangerous. He's not really sure exactly what he's gonna find there yet, but he's not going back, all right. He's determined to confront what's out there. He's angry that he has lost some of his shipmates because of the planet's dangers, and he's determined to kind of kind of after having briefly faced some of his own defects in the sharing with Marla. I think he's trying to see if he can go out and write things and maybe correct some aspects of his own story. So that's kind of my take on this episode. I thought it was really interesting. Not as much action per se as I think the initial pilot. We don't get the wrap around story with the Starfleet characters in the landing party, so it's really more of us just sort of listening to these reminiscences in the storytelling. But I thought it was really interesting, So I would probably should I get my score now, just for Economy's sake, Yeah, I think I would give it. I don't think it was quite as strong as the first episode, but I still thought it was really interesting. With the character development, I think I would probably give it an eight. I think seems apropos for me, but again, just really great work by

1:00:49 the actors on this show. Great voice cast, interesting writing. It felt like a little kind of you know, slower character development thing, you know, maybe felt a little fillery, but I thought they did such a good job with the character work that I enjoyed it once I once I slowed down and got into it. So yeah, good stuff. Excited to see what happens now. Yeah, I agree. Paul completely. How about you V what'd you think? Oh? I agree? But what's weird though, Like in the very beginning, it's almost like a throwaway that we hear that Hugo is dead and they don't they don't know what happened to him, And I don't know, that's a little bit suspicious, you know, was he did he feel guilty because he had betrayed con? Blah blah blah, did he you know, fall whatever? And then they just say okay, and Con is all. I don't know, it just seems a little too I don't know, too convenient that, you know, Con is all. You know, Oh, we can't let this happen.

1:01:52 We have to have everybody in pairs from now on. Nobody goes off alone. So that was, you know, probably in the missing couple seconds of the now yeah, Marlah, Yeah, And I just the thing too with Marla, and it just seemed like she was It's so weird because in Space Seed I got the impression that she was so more, much more enamored with Con than she is in this. So I don't know what happened in the trip from the Enterprise to Setie Alfa five, but yeah, so it's but it's it's still it's interesting to listen to, but I have to It's funny. I find myself having to concentrate more because I don't have anything to watch, so I have to try to see in my mind's eye what's going on. So requires a little more thought for me.

1:02:51 But I'd give it a solid eight. Yeah, I found it. I found it interesting when she was explaining to Con about not wanting to kill the crew, you know, the captain and the who and everybody else, and then at the same time she says something like like she felt like she was trapped on the Enterprise, that nobody knew her name. The captain didn't even know who she was because the only reason why he knew her is because Con was there and he called her up for that particular away team. And it gave me a different impression of her impression of what life was like on the Enterprise versus what she thought life would be like living with KHN on SETI Alpha five, which was cool. And I agree with Paul, this makes con.

1:03:44 This puts a different light on kN than we used to seeing. You know, he's upset because Marl is pissed off at him, and he goes to who is the dude that he talked to Ivan? I don't remember. I think it was Ivan. He goes to talk to Ivan about how to deal with with Marla, and it just it makes con look more human, it brings him down off. This no, sorry, that scene. I believe he's talking to Joaquin in that one. Yeah, he talks to somebody and who later on dies, which I was. I was wide. I was like, oh my god, they killed him off with a giant, flying, parasite winged creature thing stetdi dactyl.

1:04:32 That's it. Yeah, So I I with Paul, I'm going to give this one an eight. It was a little bit slower than the first one. Uh, it did have a lot. I felt like, and guys, come on, are these are these augments? Are they like pon firing all over the place? For God's sakes. Those two are teenagers, and you know most teenagers pretty horny. So I actually liked that part of the story. Yeah. Lord, I mean it's only it's a forty two minute, uh radio drama, and they're they're getting jiggy with it twice in the in the forty minutes. I was like, wow, But I yeah, I'm going to give it an eight. I'm with Paul, I'm gonna I'm gonna go with an eight.

1:05:15 What about you, Eric? Uh? Yeah, I enjoyed this episode. I think I'm kind of with you guys in that it. You know, it's a little fillery, but what there was some cool stuff going on. I think Paul in his intro did a did a good job of kind of talking about the two main stories that I saw, which was the mcgiver's con story, and then there's the the Richter and uh is Erica his girl? I think eric is his girlfriend? Like there kind of thing going on. I mean, I love that there's a I love the character of Richter because I love that there's an augment whose like superpowers, that he draws really well, and that he kind of sees these things that like other people don't see. He's a good, you know, alternative character too. I think we fall into this trap of thinking that all augments are just warriors, you know, they just want to go around conquering things, and and you know, of course con comes across you know you as you were alluding there, Jim, you know, there's a there's a big death at the end. Of this one, and Cohn's response to that big death is I'm going to you know, strangle this planet and make it mine. And he kind of like has this dominance thing that he is now talking about, and we talked about that last week when he was talking about he didn't say, go fishing and get us some food. He said, you know, go dominate the sea and make it give

1:06:46 up its bounty to us. So it's very it's very Muchie Mom in a lot of ways. But but yeah, I they balanced that with this idea that the history books on Earth have villain I con and you know, McGivern says, I think in this one something like, you know, there were never any big genocides underneath your your rule, like you were generally a benevolent ruler. And I think that's a cool kind of alternate side to to con no big massacres under under his rule. Uh, let's see ivan pretty shaded character. I think he's the guy who, like I distrust the most. I mean, I'm pretty sure he pushed Hugo U Hugh off the cliff or Hugo, whatever the guy's name was. I think he's the one who killed him. He makes this comment, oh, what is that he he makes some comment in here it's probably my notes here somewhere where you kind of get the idea that maybe he's kind of angling.

1:07:54 To be. In charge of things. And then of course that the end where where Con sort of goes away and he's gonna go do his thing, and he's like, if I don't come back, Ivan, you're you know, you're in charge, And I'm just like, oh, this is gonna be a different society if Ivan's in charge of things, because he seems pretty I mean, he's the guy who like couldn't wait for the the targ or whatever for the board to dine after it got shot, right, he had to go in there and like stab it to death with his knife and come out blood soaked. So super shady character. Don't trust him. Interested to see where that where that story goes. I think at some point there's probably gonna have to be a reckoning between Khn and Ivan, That's my guess. That's the way they're kind of setting it up, I think, But I don't know. I'll have to see.

1:08:45 So yeah, love Richter, love hate Ivan, and I really want to see what a duck build Kwala Bear looks like so. Why is he smiling? What does he know? Yeah? So, yeah, I dug this one. I feel like eight is about right. Yeah. I mean that that last that beginning one was really like that was like a nine to five. It was right up there. So yeah, I'll agree with you all right now, I think it was about an eight. Well, David, the pressure's on again. What do you think I got a bunch of eights? Yeah, I might have to go a little bit higher with this one, just because I did like the character development of Cohn and how they did betray him just a regular human, you know, because he would kind of in a way, how was basically telling him that, you know, you can just write your own story. You don't have to go based off of what Earth history had deemed you ash And so I was like, that's kind of an interesting way of putting it. Even though we all know him as a villain, what if he did have like a very interesting path where he was just like, you know, all good and guy inside or whatever. But yeah, it's just the idea that he he did have this defect in his genome. I guess you could say about him being like always wanting to be a conqueror, a dominant guy and so's it's an interesting way of looking

1:10:19 at how they portrayed him in the backstory. And I actually enjoyed that part. And I would have to agree with you, Jim where you mentioned about Mara, where Captain Kirk didn't know her name until the mission came out. When I heard that, I was like, WHOA, that makes a lot of sense. I bet you all the starts for the captains don't know anybody's name. That's the lower deck. So I mean that makes sense to the point where it's like in a ship of what four hundred crew, you can't know everybody until you get him on the mission. So so I like that whole aspect of the story plot.

1:10:59 How driven and it was a little slow, I have to say, yes, but like you guys were saying, it was a filler episode, So it was just kind of like an sense of getting every getting to know everybody. The first episode to me was just like action pack and it was just full of like trying to lay the ground work for everybody. But the inn the second episode, it was just like now you're geting to get to know everybody, And to me, I actually enjoyed that part A lot, and for that, I actually think I'm gonna have to bring the score up to a little bit higher than what you guys gave it, and the I'm gonna go with a nine. A nine cool, cool, And Charles, that means you got the caboose, buddy.

1:11:43 I think everybody got most of the topic in there. I thought it interesting where they're going through and studying all the life on the planet. Then they reached the point it's like, Okay, the women and the artists can sit there and discover the planet while the men go do the hunting, and yet there's just to be augment and rather equals. So I thought that was interesting that Khan was still taking that stereotype. As for Hugo, I was I was just gonna say, Charles, I agree with you. They probably should have put like a woman in the hunting party, right, that would be kind of cool to like flip that on its head just a little bit.

1:12:23 Yeah, that he still kind of went with that stereotype, which was interesting. But they were sitting there trying to figure out what how to name all these creatures, like Okay, we've had creatures similar like this on Earth, but we're not going to name them Earth names, so we have got to give them their own name, even though some of them kind are still using the earth type name with them. As for Hugo, I was kind of on the impression that he probably was tossed pushed over that cliff because of what he said in episode one. But I think in Summery, I think with the group. I kind of agree with the group on this one. This was a little bit of a filler and an eight.

1:13:18 You're muted there, Jim, Well. It's just it's mine, you know, it's mine. It's mine. So we got some eights in the nine. That's still respectable, still very respectable. So Richter gets lost at the end of this one. Where did he go? I don't know. I'm kind of like hopefully, I mean, maybe one of you guys is already listened to the next one. I haven't listened to the next one, but like, he sort of just disappears and nobody really knows where he is. So I think he's going to be implanted by. Yeah, I think, yeah, I did it intimate that. Sorry, go ahead.

1:14:01 I did listen to this one, two and three together, and I think some of the answers were in there. But we also get some more details about something coming from the movie six. Wow. Cool cool. All right, guys. So that wraps up our discussion on con episode two, and next week we'll do episode thread three three three three three, and uh, you know what that means. It's time for some. Star Trek birthdays. You guys ready for some Star Trek birthdays? Kay birthdays?

1:14:56 That was not a clon song. No, or if it wasn't, but we like it anyways. All right, guys, this is the part of the show where we do it well. We're doing sci fi birthdays this week. We're gonna shake things up a little bit, and we like to start off the show by remembering those members of the family who, sadly enough, are no longer with us, and for that we turned to Eric Yeh Jim. We have a lot of remembrances this week. I'm gonna Blastrheom so that we have plenty of time for everybody. Our first remembrance this week goes out to actor Morgan Farley. Morgan Farley made two appearances in Star Trek, one as hay Coom, a male Baden in the TOS episode The Return of the Arkans, and one as a Yangs Scholar in the TOS second season episode The Omega Glory. He of course, is one of only fourteen Star Trek guest stars born in the nineteenth century. He was born in eighteen ninety eight and was already close to seventy years old at the time that he made his two Star Trek appearances. So I think that's kind of kind of cool, you know, we always I know, I have a tendency to think, oh yeah, you know, young people were young back in the sixties when we were on Star Trek.

1:16:11 But there, you know, there were older characters at that time too, and some of them were born in the nineteenth century. He played a large number of mostly small parts in movies, and during the middle of his career he was also on television. He also played a role in the Broadway musical seventeen, and during the Second World War, Farley served as an officer in the US Army as well. So Happy birthday to Morgan Farley. We lost him back in nineteen eighty eight at the age of ninety years old. Happy birthday, Happy birthday as well. To Madeline Roue born Madeline Solomon, She was a prolific character actress who played Lieutenant Marlon mcgivers. Hey, look at that in the TOS first season episode space Seed. The timeliness is crazy right now roommate over a hundred appearances on television, including appearances on Have Gun, Will Travel, The Untouchables, Gunsmoke, Hawaii Five Oh, The Man from Uncle, Mission Impossible, and Starsky and Hutch.

1:17:09 In a nineteen sixty episode of Bonanza, she played the wife of her Space Seed co star Ricardo Montaban. No kidding, they were in something even before space Seed, which I think is pretty cool. After star Trek ruined, Montaban reunited a second time for an episode of Fantasy Island. In nineteen seventy seven, Roux was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis and was reportedly eventually had to use a cane thing, crutches, and finally a wheelchair, but she continued to act all through the progression of her disease, with her final on screen appearance being in nineteen ninety six. I think that is super cool. She pushed it as long as she possibly could, so. Madeline Rue a fantastic actress. We lost her back in two thousand and three at sixty eight years old. Happy Birthday to her now for one of Jim's laterals. I had to do some research on this one because I was like, I don't think this guy was in Star Trek. Maybe he wasn't, but he's Star Trek adjacent. So we're gonna say happy Birthday this week to Donald Pleasance. Donald Pleasance, of course, is an English actor born in works Up, Nottinghamshire, England, and he was most famous for playing doctor Sam Loomis in the Halloween films.

1:18:26 But adjacency to Star Trek is kind of cool, So follow me here. In Enterprise this third season episode Carpenter Street, which is one of those temporal Cold War ones, there are several references to the nineteen seventy eight horror film Halloween. In fact, the title and street name is a reference to director John Carpenter. Loomis is a reference to doctor Sam Loomis. This guy right here played by Donald Pleasance, Lawrence Strode is a reference to Lori Strode played by Jamie Lee Curtis. Loomis talks about a mister Myers, a reference, of course to the infamous killer Michael Myers, and Loomis drives an old station wagon much like the one Myers drives in the film Halloween. So Donald Pleasance from Halloween Fame has indirect adjacencies through kind of an obscure episode of Star Trek Enterprise in There You Go. But of course there are all these other great credits to this guy's name all over the place, right Twilight Zone, Fantastic Voyage, Escape from New York. He was in You Only Live twice as the bad guy there. So Happy Birthday to Don Pleasance not in Star Trek but Star Trek adjacent Happy Birthday as well to Skip Holmeyer, the actor who played Melicon in the TOS second season episode Pattern of Force Patterns of Course, and doctor Severn in the third

1:19:57 season episode The Way to Eden. Melican of course is the ecosion aka the Nazi dude, and Severn is the ty Burian who's the guy with funny ears that we are showing you on our screen. Outside of Star Trek Homeyer cars co starred in such films as The Gunfighter with Gregory Peck. Sounds familiar Ethan's Dad. Yeah, he was in a whole bunch of kind of Western stuff back in the day too. And he also played this character named Judge Charles h Older in the movie Helter Skelter the movie by Charles Manson, so if you haven't seen that movie, might be interested and playing. Interestingly, playing doctor Severn was not Homeyer's first experience with facial prosthetics, because he also wore them in a nineteen sixty four episode of The Outer Limits called Expanding Human, which coincidentally featured James Dewen, another Star Trek name you might have heard of.

1:20:55 So Happy birthday to Skip Homeyer, interesting actor who played lots of cool things. You should go look up his IMDb page. Happy birthday as well to Ed Long, who played Midro in the TOS third season episode The Cloud Minders. He has a handful of screen credits to his name, including appearances on The Fugitive Mannix, the original Batman series, Bonanza, Gunsmoke, and a few other of those nineteen sixties television shows. We lost him back in twenty fifteen at eighty four years old. Happy birthday to Ed Long. Happy birthday to John Hoyt, the veteran actor of film, television, and theater who played Phil Boyce. That's right, Phil Boyce in the original series first pilot, The Cage. John Hoyt was originally born John MacArthur Hoystrat in the Bronxville, New York. He worked as a teacher of history before he got into theater, and then he sort of went from theater into the arm me and then he went from army into acting.

1:22:03 But this guy has two hundred and fifty plus screen credits to his name, running the gambit of everything. It's like way too many things for me to even talk about. It's like paragraphs of roles that this guy has played. So since I can't really into the timely fashion talk about the things that he's done, I'll just say that I personally love Phil Boyce. I love his little portable Martini station. He feels to me like a real kind of proto bones character who I would have been happy to have had as a regular cast member in the original series. And I'm keeping my fingers crossed that maybe one day we get to see doctor Phil Boyce on Strange New Worlds. Not sure if we will, but John Hoyt was the original. We lost him back in nineteen ninety one and eighty five years old. Happy birthday to John Hoyt. Happy birthday to Lois Jewel, a former actress and model who played Drew Silla in the TOS second season episode Bred and Circuses. She was, of course a professional model, as she appeared in over eighty television commercials and numerous print ads. Her only other acting credit was the pilot episode of The Flying Nun from nineteen sixty seven. Unfortunately, she sort of became disillusioned with the acting environment of that time. You probably can understand where I'm going with that, and she eventually went into business with her husband, Harold Jewell,

1:23:34 making appearances and then also made appearances on the convention circuit, the TOS Star Trek Convention Circuit. So Lowe's Jewel. We didn't get to see as much acting out of her as maybe we would have liked. But I did like her character of Drusilla. So Happy Birthday to Lois Lost back in twenty fourteen at seventy six years old. Happy birthday as well to Harriet c Leader, the actress who played to Amri in the Next Gurnation first season episode Unification two. She of course is that four handed salt sucking pianist in the bar On Kwailar two. She appeared on the television series The Commission Also Married with Children, My so called Life and the Time of year life, and has film credits in supporting roles in Torch Song Trilogy from eighty eight, For Parents Only from ninety one, and the thriller Dream Lover from ninety three. Fortunately we lost Harriet Way too young, only fifty nine years old when she passed away in two thousand and four. Happy Birthday to Harriet Leader, Happy Birthday to Lorna Raver, the actress who played the judge Q in the Voyager seven season episode Q two. She's probably best known for her role as missus Ganoosh in Drag Me to Hell from two thousand and nine. And you know, I've actually never seen this movie, but I really kind of want to go see it because for this role, she received two Scream Award nominations in the categories of Best Villain and

1:25:06 Best Breakout Performance in two thousand and nine, and she also got a Saturn Award nomination in the category of Best Supporting Actress. She eventually won the chainsaw Award at the Fangoria chainsaw Awards as for Best Supporting Actress in twenty ten. So I don't know, that seems pretty cool. Unfortunately, we lost Laurna just literally this past May. She passed away May twelfth, twenty twenty five, at eighty one years old. So happy birthday and we miss you to Laura Raver and last, but not least, I'd like to say happy birthday this week to Barbara Marsh, the stage, film and television actress best known for playing the Klingon Larsa in the Next Generation episodes Redemption, Redemption Part two and Firstborn, and in Deep Space Nines first season episode Past Prologue, and also in Star Trek Generations. In nineteen ninety eight, she provided her voice for Larsa in a video game called Klingon On Our Guard. She's also a well known stage actress in Canada, touring with several theaters. In the early eighties. She played roles in Othello, Neil Simon's Chapter two, The Homecoming, Present, Laughter, Macbeth, and the Gayden Chronicles. Besides her work on stage and in front of the camera, she also wrote several screenplays and treatments for television, and worked as a story editor and an original episode writer

1:26:39 for the Canadian television series Mysterious Island in nineteen ninety five. Also had several bit parts here and there on other television series. But I think Larsa is absolutely one of the most recognizable Klingons in all of Star Trek, along with her sister Betor. So happy to Barbara Marsh. We definitely miss your that face. That face right there, which is what I think of when I think of Larsa lost in twenty nineteen and only sixty five years old. And that does it for our remembrances, guys, a good list of people all over the place who we miss dearly.

1:27:22 So Charles, I'm gonna pass this birthday candle over to you. Oh thank you. Eric. Let's start off with a Happy birthday to Hannah Cheeseman, Canadian actress who was the second person to play the role of Ariam in the second season of Discovery. Happy birthday to Wendy Robbie, I just played Lannie Beller in DF nine's Thursdays in an episode Destiny. Happy birthday to Carol Daniels, stunt woman and stunt actress and some actress who played Zora in the cos third season episode Savage Curtain.

1:28:07 Her first Chart Trek connection was in nineteen sixty four when she worked as a stand in on The Cage. Happy Birthday to John the Prino is an actress who played Orbis in Star Trek Voyagers fourth season episode Year of Hell and Year of Hell Part two. Happy birthday to Lulu Wilson, the actress who appeared aske Kestra Troy Reicher in his Tar Trek Bacord Bercard's first season episode Nepenthe. Happy birthday to Zara Zenaker, the American actress who played to Paul and Enterprise this fourth season episode Awakening in Kirshir Shar. Last on my list a non Star Trek.

1:29:03 Happy birthday to Karen Allen, who portrayed Marion Ravens Wood and Raiders The Lost Arc, Indiana Jones in the Kingdom of the Christal Skull and Indiana Jones The Dial of Destiny. I mean, you want to talk about childhood crushes, man, forget about it for. Me and the great, the great John Carpenter movie starman, I don't know if you've that was such a I don't care, very delightful and that really. Really I can't think of his name now. Bridges, Jeff Bridges. That was a really really sweet movie, heartbreaking but still sweet.

1:29:45 Yeah. And if you really want to see early Karen Allen, go look at Animal House, right, she is, like I don't know, she did it like two or three years before Raiders, right, but she's like super young and like a little naughty house, I would say. And Christmas Christmas Special Scrooge. Oh yeah, that's right. She isn't Scrooge. Yeah, she's Bill Murray's love interest. That's right. Was she Chris Pine's wife in the Perfect Storm? Maybe Chris Pine is in the Perfect Storm? I think it was a perfect Storm. Isn't that the one with the with the Coastguard? Isn't that where they go out to rescue the ship?

1:30:32 I don't know perfect storms. George Clooney is a. Oh okay, I got my movies mixed up some of the movie. Yeah, it must be something else. I don't know a Coastguard one? But all right, is that a cost picture you're thinking of? It might be. Yeah. I'm seeing like I don't remember it, but I'm seeming to remember something in the Coast Guard with Kevin Costye. With that mine, Paul, who's on your birthday list? I passed flaming candle. Over to you. Oh, thank you all. Be careful not to get wax on my lip here. Thank you. Charles appreciate it. So first of all, let's give it up to Lena Headi, phenomenal English and Bermudan actress who we are acknowledging here for her pivotal turn as Queen Circe Lanister in Game of Thrones, which is an amazing picture and if you're a Game of Thrones fan, you might want to pop on over it to YouTube. They are just now releasing the trailer for the Night of the Seven Kingdoms, which is another HBO series based on Georgia, so check that.

1:31:41 But Lena Hetty is amazing. She's great, really awesome in the TV series Sarah Connor Chronicles, where she played the title character, Sarah Connor, And we were just talking about Dread with Carl Urbin and she's actually the villain in Dread. She's really super cool and agonist in that, so she's real badass. Lena Hetty's great, really tremendous. But boy, her work on Game of Thrones man shes timeless. Happy birthday to you, friend, you are amazing. Happy Birthday goes out to a deal. Hussein, an Indian actor who played adit Ya Sahil in Star Trek Discovery third season episodes. The hope that is you, Part one, People of Earth, and the Hope that is You Part two. Happy Birthday. Gonna slow things down a minute because I don't want to have like a heart attack or nothing, because I cannot believe my good fortune to be able to say Happy birthday to this luminary, this magnificent human being, this legend, the great Sigourney Weaver, who I have been a fan of ever since I first heard her. Academy Award nominated actress best known for playing, of course, Ellen Ripley in the Alien franchise. She got an Oscar nomination for her work in Cameron sequel Alien, and it was like one of the first times in like forever that a science fiction performance had been honored with an Oscar nomina. I didn't win, but man was it was big news back

1:33:11 then because she really does an incredible job of playing a survivor of trauma in that picture. It's just legendary. But she's just done so much good work, right, I mean, she's just amazing. The whole Alien franchise is just one thing, right, But she's been in at least a couple of Ghostbusters movies. There is no data, only zool, right, Galaxy Quest, where she you know, donned a blonde wig and kind of you know, really had a lot of fun doing her whole thing there, Dynamite serial killer movie called Copycat that if you've not checked that out, it is amongst some of her best performances. I think she's great. And there's a lot of voiceover work for the Pixar folks. She did voiceover work for Finding Dory and for Wally. She did tons of work for those guys there. And she is not taking any kind of retirement any time soon that I can see, because she is all over the place in the Avatar franchise. She's even does voice work as a teenage character in the last Avatar movie, right.

1:34:19 I mean, it's full motion capture, the whole deal. It looks like a young Sigourney Weaver, but she's playing a teenager and her voice sounds like a teenager. So there's just she's just amazing. I just think she's one of those class acts just radiates cool man. I would love to meet her. She's just absolutely phenomenal, but just a good bastion of quality work. Right, never lets you down. She's just absolutely tremendous. So huge fan Sigourney Weaver. We salute you, friend. You really hope to redefine the role of heroic held more vultively than we. We love you amazing.

1:35:01 Have a great birthday. Happy birthday to Duncan Regor, a Canadian actor, writer and artist who played one in the Next Gen seven season episode sub Rosa. I wonder what happens in that episode. It was the hottest, hottest evil ghost ever. I might have to watch sub Rosa again just to refresh my memory. He then played the recurring role of Shaikhar Eton on Deep Space nine, appearing in three episodes Shakar Crossmeyer and the Begutten, and the recurring role. Happy birthday to rosalind Landor, actress who played Brenda O'Dell in the Next Generation second season episode Up the Long Ladder. I remember that episode. I believe it is replete with rather painful to endure not so realistic Irish accents if I remember correctly. It was kind of the brigid boon of the early iterations of Next Gen and challenging. But Happy birthday anyway to you, rosalind Landor. You were at no fault, of course for that episode, but you were great in it. So there you go, and big happy birthday to Scott Bacula, very claimed actor who played the lead role of Jonathan Archer in Star Trek Enterprise. And I'm sure if you're anywhere on the Internet, you've seen that there's just a lot of buzzing activity going on there right now where they are trying to see if they can get an Captain Archer series featuring an older

1:36:32 Admiral Archer together, you know, and see if they can do kind of for that character what they did for, you know, Admiral Poverty, if you will, and do an Archwer centric episode. Sounds like they am have not rolled over quietly, and they keep pitching and trying to see if they can maybe even turn it into like something more and or like where there's a lot of political mechanizations going on in Starfleet right and something of that niche. So I would love to see that happen. I would love to see some that's very intriguing. So I hope that that bears fruit. But that's all I've got here this week. Lots of great folks having birthdays. To all of my fellow scorpios, I salute you, and we'll pass it over to battles Wheel there, Uncle Jim.

1:37:15 Why, thank you so much, Paul. Yeah, I don't have a lot. I like to do the klingon, so I saved them for the last and I have one who could be a Klingon but unfortunately wasn't. First off, I want to start off by saying happy birthday to Jennifer Gotti. And there she is on the screen. If you guys are head over to our Patreon page and become patrons, you could be seeing these awesome pictures on the screen right now. There she is right there. She's the actress who played bay Al on the TNG six season episode Birthright Part one, Birthright Part two, and she also appeared as Libby in the Voyager episode Non Sequitor. And she actually was half Klingon, half romulent, which is why Warfed threw her out of bed. That's a whole topic for another show. But happy birthday, yes exactly.

1:38:08 Yeah, like the missionary position, that is all. I will do him. So Happy birthday to Jennifer Gotti. And we also have another kling on. I want to say happy birthday to Abbas wahabb He's an actor and comedian who played rock Wog in this strange New World second season episode Broken Circle, and there he is on the screen and all of his cling on this happy birthday and kaplah and last, but oh definitely not least again, if you grew up in the eighties, well this technically was the late seventies, and you didn't have a crush on her. You definitely had a crush on Aaron Gray.

1:38:55 But we're going to talk about Pamela Hemsley Happy Birthday, the American actress and born in Glendock, California, best known as a draconian princess ar Dala in buck Rogers in the twenty fifth century. And there she is with her horns on, being all horny, slinking around in her little bikini deal thing there, whatever you want to call it. And like I said, if you didn't have a crush on her, it was Aaron Gray and her her skin tight white satin Earth Defense Forest uniform, the lovely ladies of buck Rogers. So happy birthday. And I think she also, if I remember correctly, was on the Waltons, although most of us would know her from Buck Rogers, but I think she was on the Waltons. She may have been, but happy birthday to Pamela Hensley and that, my friends, wraps up all of our Star Trek birthday, our sci fi birthdays. And now it's time for some Star Trek news.

1:39:56 If I already one message from Starfleet coming in on secure. Check incoming transmission. Enter authorization code, command codes verified, Define parameters of program. Level nine authorization require. That's a fine parameters. Transfer updata is complete. A blank alert, A blank alert. Okay, it's time for our Star Trek news, and I believe Eric is going to start us off this week. Yeah, we're going to start out as we often do with a Shatner says, what segment, And this one is William Shatner's favorite sci fi movie. I think this is kind of a cool article. William Shatner will always, of course, be remembered for playing Captain Kirk in Star Trek, but his favorite sci fi movie has nothing to do with the classic franchise. The Canadian actor was already an accomplished performer by the time he landed the starring role in CBS's ambitious sci fi program Star Trek, but the series would be his lasting legacy. Shatner returns in the Star Trek movies and films like Star Trek two The Wrath of Kahan have gone on to transcend the franchise to become all time classics. However, when asked about his favorite science fiction film, Shatner's pick was actually quite surprising. William Shatner's favorite psci fi films straight from the mouth of the man himself, Steven Spielberg's nineteen eighty two classic ET.

1:41:20 Shatner called E t the Extraterrestrial one of the most profound science fiction films because it dealt with childhood fantasy, digging deep into its heartfelt message. Shatner isn't alone in his love for ET, and there's a reason that the movie is timeless. As mentioned, the story is told through the eyes of a youngster, which gives every aspect a larger than life sense of excitement. Spielberg's direction is also key to the movie's success, and few filmmakers use cinema to effectively convey emotion like the Oscar Winner. After placing ET at the top of his list, William Shatner named other great science fiction films that he considers his favorite.

1:42:00 Among established classics include things like two thousand and one, A Space Odyssey, and Alien Shatner actually listed one of his own movies, though it's off and overlooked. Star Trek the Motion Picture is his favorite Star Trek movie. Considering his personal connection to the franchise, it's clear that the Motion Picture holds a special place for the screen legend. Shatner is fascinated by the existential questions posed by science fiction, hence his love for films like two thousand and one. The Motion Picture is the most existential Star Trek film by far, even if it largely misses the mark and its final execution. Who wrote this article? That's it? I table flip. I should have just like read ahead and not said that last thing. I'm so sorry, Jim, can you edit that out?

1:42:49 In post? Shatner read that, Sat. What, But yeah, I mean, who can like, how can you go wrong saying? Et is a fantastic movie. It was the number one movie, money making movie for like I don't even know how long, twenty years or or more, for such a long time, and it's just so touching. So Shatner says what, But I kind of agree with him here. I think that that deserves to be anybody's favorite movie. Interesting he didn't list Star Trek five five. Yeah, that is weird. Well, they must have asked him before the movie came out.

1:43:30 You know, he was recently hospitalized, so he may have been a little time, a little loopy. There could be some fugue going on there. You never can tell. Oh and Paul, Paul has our next story. I'm a great I do and it's very interesting because Star Trek Starfleet Academy could be arriving sooner than expected. Friends. Star Trek Starfleet Academy is the next new Star Trek show for Paramount Plus. The first season wrap production way back in February and over the summer, Paramount Plus announced plans to remove the series in early twenty twenty six.

1:44:13 One of the most talked about new characters of the show is Commander Lura falk klingon Jemhdar Hybrid, who is Cadet Masters of the Academy and first officer of the uss Athena, which is integrated into the Academy. Fulk is played by British actress and comedian Gina Yeseshir, and production on the second season began in August, and Yeshar shared a post on Instagram recently praising the team behind the camera with the message that the prosthetic department at Star Trek are a bunch of geniuses when the costume department make my breasts look amazing. That is not anything I'm adding here. That's what she thinks.

1:44:55 That is all. Well, okay, there we go. She also signed off her message with see you in January twenty twenty six. Production of the second season began in August. Paramount Plus making a big push for Starfleet Academy at New York Comic Con going on right now, including the Starfleet Academy Interactive Experience on the exhibition floor Booth seventeen twenty three if you're there, where attendees can step into the role of cadet and training and tackle various hands on challenges to put their skills to the test. You even get a personalized Academy ID badge to track progress, along with exclusive Star Trek Starfleet Academy giveaway swag. Now we shouldn't just clarify briefly that after Gina Yasher posted that social media post see You in January twenty twenty six, it did get edited to see you in early twenty twenty six, So who knows, right, but it's you know, they have a big presence at New York Comic Con this weekend, so it wouldn't surprise me if we don't end up getting an actual specific window real soon. But my guess is it's certainly going to be January or February, so we're not gonna have too long to wait before we get a brand new episode review of some brand new star Trek. And I don't know if you've been out there trexperts and had a little peak yet at the uss Athena, because the idea is it's almost like a

1:46:26 mobile classroom, if you will. It's like a starship classroom that they can take around. Pretty badass production design, so it looks pretty cool, so definitely check it out. The marketing engine is clearly snowballing and they building upstein for this stuff, and so fingers crossed, we've got some Oscar winners joining the cast here, so it should be all kinds of good stuff. So that's stay tuned, would be where we leave it there, and I'm gonna pass it over to Uncle Jim. So this character is a klingon Jemhodar female and a lot of people are already already being turned off on the fact that gem Hidar don't have females because they're genetically bred, they're addicted to drugs, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. However, I think people are forgetting how far in the future this series is from Deep Space nine, which is the last time we saw the gem Hadar well.

1:47:20 And the gem Hdar are all clones, and so if she's got kling on DNA, like, it's not that hard to take, you know, Gemhdar DNA and mix it with female cling on DNA. And I think that's why they're calling her a hybrid, because I don't think she was. My guess is that she wasn't born because gem Hida are also sterile, right, they can't. They don't have like babies in the traditional sense. So I'm guessing she's a clone, and so it's not surprising to me that they could kind of anybody who you know, feels like they're paying so much attention to Deep Space nine and like, no, just think about it for a minute. It's very possible. And I'm really about her backstory. I think she's going to make a very interesting story apply to reveal why she's like that. That's something I'm in ship didn't see.

1:48:11 Yeah. Plus we we don't know the effect that Odo had when he went back to the Great Link and and shared what the Federation is all about. So maybe they freed the gem Hidar and in the hundreds and hundreds of years since then they became their own people instead of you know words. There was also the one on one of the DS nine episodes where for some reason he wasn't addicted to the kept her cell white and they were also there were some that were thinking on their own, so it was sort of the hint. You know, so who knows?

1:48:52 It sounds like they were booking away really early. Were they clones or were they just like because I know the because the uh which McCall, it's the board net were clones. But I didn't think the Jim Hittar. I think they were just like batches that were born in some sort or created in some sort of bizarre nursery. I don't know, I forget. It'll be interesting. Yeah, I'm looking forward to it. Now we don't have to wait as long as we thought, which is really cool. All right, So I have the next story, which we kind of briefly talked about Brandon Braga says Star Trek TV should return to longer seasons instead of short tender relationships. No one has written more Star Trek than Brandon Braga, who has begun his Hollywood career as an intern for Star Trek the Next Generation in nineteen ninety and stuck with the franchise for the first decade and a half. He is writing credits to over one hundred Star Trek episodes and two feature films, rose to the showrunner for Star Trek Voyager, and later became co producer and showrunner of starf Ar Trek Enterprise.

1:50:02 The future of Star Trek TV was a hot topic after sky Dance took over Paramount. Braga, who has created an executive produced several series in the past Star Trek career, gave his diagnosis of the Star Trek landscape, and this is a quote. I look at the audience and I think you're here because you had a long term relationship with Voyager. Voyager was twenty six episodes of year. Some of you probably keep it on because it's cozy, and that's the kind of relationship you had. A lot of shows now are tender relationships, eight episodes every two years. I don't think so. That's not going to be something you necessarily pass on to your kids, and I think that's a loss. It's a new paragram, and some shows are still doing it. NCIS does like twenty two episodes.

1:50:52 But I really don't know what's in store for the future of Star Trek, the TV franchise anyways, but I hope, I hope, hope eventually that they get to longer, more sustained seasons. The last Star Trek season with twenty six episodes was season two of Enterprise in two thousand and two, whose final season had twenty four and twenty two episodes, respectively. The CBS All Access Plus era that began in twenty seventeen started with thirteen episode seasons, although the first season of Discovery was expanded to fifteen episodes and split into two parts before settling down to the ten episode seasons, usually with over a year between each season. And we talked about this a little bit. I see the point that he's that he's making. I think a lot of people, you know, when you only have ten episodes, well, like, let's use Strange New Worlds as an example. We had ten episodes and then almost two years between and people forget.

1:51:54 It's not talked about, it's not you know, on everybody's mind. I don't think we're ever going to see twenty six episodes again. I think that that's long, that's long gone. But I do think that the fifteen that we saw with Discovery is a good, you know, a good middle ground, because if we're going to see Strange New Worlds and we're going to see Starfleet Academy, we do fifteen episodes of each. That gives us thirty where we used to get twenty six of one series back in the day, and they have two series running fifteen episodes each. I think that would be a happy medium. But I don't think we're going to get it. I think they're hooked on this ten episode thing and that's all we're gonna get.

1:52:40 But Paramount wants to get in touch with me. I'm here, they know how to reach me. I'm always available if they're looking for a consultant. But and I think I think some of the filler episodes, I think people remember those like Subbrosa, right, people remember the filler episodes a lot. You know, the story arcs are great, but I think it's like Spock's brain, you know, stuff like that. But that's just my two cents, so, uh the you get to wrap us up. About as quickly as I can. Who is the Okay? Who is the preschool cartoon? Star Trek Scouts made for with very little fanfare, a new Star Trek series beamed onto Nickelodeon's Blaze and The Monster Machin's YouTube channel week.

1:53:31 It's safe to assume that its largest audience didn't care much. In fact, they probably haven't even heard of Captain Kirk's Stock or the Starship Enterprise. Because Star Trek Scouts is aimed squarely at a preschool audience, Unfortunately, it may not have been made entirely with them in mind. Scouts moves at a breakneck pace, attacking your eyes with a sugar rush of primary colored seed and soundtracked by a lot of enthusiastic shouting. It's toddler TV by the numbers, seemingly designed to make the shortest attention spans even shorter. The stories focus on a trio of eight year old space cadets humans JD and Rule Rue and Vulcan Shrocket, using their aster alarm and asteroid deflector wheel to protect the world from threats such as a soap bar asteroid from the bathnar Nebula see what they did there? And a meat Paul asked, I'm sorry just and a meat pull asteroid from the noodle Nebula there's I'm sorry, I don't know why that tiggled me so much. There's also a cute alien dog called Zips. Bucket has an Inspector gadget

1:55:02 esque bionic arm, and they recite there Discover, Grow Boldly Go mission statement at the end of each episode. No surprise is there then, as this is effectively preschool TV one oh one. Yet the members are the makers of Scouts have thrown in meaningless references to transporters in the Klingon homeworld quonos Why it certainly isn't for the benefit of viewers who don't yet know what Star Trek is or can go to the bathroom by themselves, and they probably wouldn't care if they did. No, the clear aim of the show is drawing in parents who love Trek and want their kids to love Trek too. Kids growing up today have access to more entertainment than any generation in history. They sure as hell heck don't need dumped down poor written approximations of beloved franchises to show them the way.

1:56:08 This is a very very grumpy article and I don't care for it. Ah, So so you know, I'll admit I wanted to see what was up. And I don't have a preschooler anymore, but I watched a few episodes of Star Trek Scouts and I found it to be just like any other like preschool television show out there. I don't think kids need to know what a Klingon is or what chronos is. They're just being introduced to these concepts and stuff, and are they trying to get them at a younger age? Yeah? Is there any problem with that? I don't know. I don't see one. Is this the same thing that Star Wars did right a couple of years ago they launched Young Jedi Adventures? Right, it's the same thing. Very you know, it's a toddler centric thing. I mean, you know, it's one thing to you know, it's it's kind of you know, demeaning to roll your eyes at something like that, right, because it's you know, I mean, show meeting it You're like, oh god, I want to watch it.

1:57:05 Right. I couldn't keep a straight face reading about the meatballs and noodles, which now makes me hungry. But anyway, but that looks Yeah, I want to see this cute alien dog called Zips. So sounds like fun. I'll give it a watch if I can find it. So, and the episodes are only like four to six for four to eight minutes long each, so they're real short, so you can just you know, watch them on your lunch break. Sure. Yeah, I watched the one with the meatball Nebula. I watched that one. You know, it is what it is, right, I mean, if it's yeah, it is what it is.

1:57:47 I didn't have a problem. So many kids shows are not just for the kids, I think famously Bugs Bunny the animators later said, we never did this for kids. We did this for the grown up and their shows out there, like on PBS Arthur. I still I had been. I still watch Arthur from time to time because it's got some great episodes and a lot of the stuff goes right over the kid's head, so that's nothing new, So I will I'll definitely give this a watch. Yeah, you have Kirk, Spock and Burnham right there on the screen, you know. So guys, what did you think about the The Beyond part of the show. Did you guys like it?

1:58:33 It was something? Yeah, I thought. I thought your trivia was excellent and nice lately done. So I think that's a really nice addition, so we'll stick with it then, absolutely, all right, so you guys want to tune in. Next week for some more trivia. How about the birthdays? Do you like throwing in some non Star Trek birthdays? Dude, I got Sigourney Weaver. I scored hard, so yeah, believe me. I like Itavorite part was trying to connect that one guy to Star Trek, and there was a way to do it well. And also, don't forget in Halloween, what was the mask that Michael Myers wore?

1:59:15 Well, originally, Paul, I actually gave you Karen Allen originally, and then when Sigourney Weaver's birthday came up, I slid that one to Charles and gave you Sigourney because I thought you would enjoy her more. No, I would enjoy them both, but that's for another show. That's a fault rated show, all right, guys, Legendary, Well, we'll keep The Beyond going on. Then. I'm glad it worked out well and everybody liked it so well. That wraps up our show. Can you believe it? Wow? Another another show bites the dust. All right, well, I'm your most excellent host, Uncle Jim, guys, and I just want to say to everybody please, uh, stay safe and be good to each other.

2:00:02 Remember sci fi fans are the best fans. Take care of yourselves and live long and prosper. Good night, everybody. Long and prosper, long and prosper. All stations ready for departure, sir, some problem. Right, I'm just hoping this isn't the usual way of missions will build? Said, Oh, no, number left. I'm sure most will be much more interesting. Let's see what's out there. Gage,