Episode 655- Christine Horn (Bytha) SNW- Interview

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1:25 Well, good evening, Treki's and Trekkers around the globe. It is Thursday night, September twenty fifth, twenty twenty five. Welcome to episode six hundred and fifty five of trek Talking and Beyond. I'm your most excellent host, Uncle Jim. Welcome to the podcast. We have a great show playing for you guys tonight. But before we go too far, I want to introduce my awesome co host. We have Eric. Eric's out in Portland. How you doing tonight? Eric? You know what Jim like. Honestly, I'm feeling a little under siege tonight. I mean, first, my escalator stopped on the way up to my office this morning, and then my telep prompter went out during my big presentation, and then my audio cut out during the parts where I was really getting the whining. So I mean, I don't think it's coincidence. I think it's triple sabotage. You know, three very sinister events right in a row, and used to know that. I've actually already sent copies of my three hundred and fifty eight word complaint to the Secretary General, and I demand an immediate investigation. I mean, it's it's enough to give a guy a headache, which I used to take a seeau a cita. Well you understand, you know, the autism stuff. Yeah, I'm just kind of I'm just kind of happy to be here now.

2:44 Yeah, the home, it's okay, come on, Grandpa. Yeah, you's got to go. It'll be okay. We'll get you your soup. Oh boy, oh brother. And also from Portland, we have our very own Paul the Toy Guy. How you tonight? Paul? I'm okay, I think so did you get stuck? You know, I stay off those things. I'm more of a climbing the rope guy. But but yeah, it's surreal times and I'm I'm excited to talk to uh for my money. One of the bright spots of season three of strange New Worlds and just mere moments. So kind of a moment the content of the old show tonight.

3:26 Uncle Jim. It's gonna be fun, that's for sure. And sticking with Portland, we have our miracle worker David. How you doing tonight, David? You're very good? Uh, not as uh what to talk about, but you know, I'm glad to have Christine hold on with that show. Yeah, it's ben, It's gonna be fun. And not in Portland, but in Las Vegas we have Charles. How you doing tonight? Charles? Until Jim, glad our weather will will cool down soon so we can have weather like everybody else looking forward Here in Vermont, I heard the Rockies got some snow.

4:11 We're just getting still in my heat. And the last but not least, we have Victoria's she's out in Virginia. How you doing tonight? B all right? Sarcastic folk con salute. Yeah, glad to be in the glad to be in the uh see what a strange new world is that? Twenty third century? I think so? Yeah, I Interestine, I'm a Historic Site interpret Colonial Williamsburg, where every day I speak the truth and the whole truth of our early American history to people, so which can be a challenge sometimes that it's I didn't realize how many history people are also I FI heard, So I span, I span the centuries.

5:01 Wonderful, wonderful and as promised, guys, we have with us, live in the studio right here, well not live in the studio, but live with us, we have Christine Horne. She's appeared on series such as I'm gonna, I'm gonna try to make this brief, take a deep breath, The Originals, Mcgiver, Powerless, Ncis, American Crime Story, Timeless, The Haunting and Hill House, The Good Doctor, Letho, Weapon and Swat, just to name a few. So she's been around quite a bit. She started her own record label and production company and is also a coach to mentees in the Hollywood Bound Actors Virtual Community, believing in each other and eat each one, teach one.

5:45 But but for us, we know her as that badass klingon Bytha from Star Trek's Strange New World's third season episode Shuttle to Confa And in case she didn't know, she's the honor seeking of Doc Ra from the season two Strange New World's episode Under the Cloak of War, and welcome to the show. Thank you, awesome tro and wonderful to meet all of you. Thank you so much. So I don't know where to start. First of all, I want to ask you. Were you a star Trek fan before you got the role to be a Klingon?

6:25 I was not. However, I dedicated this episode to my now deceased husband, who, with him and his whole family were huge Trekkies. I mean uh, and so it was always something that was around me. I just it was one of those things I just never kind of got around to watching. And when I auditioned for I don't want to well, let me not jump ahead all. You may have questions about that later, but short answer is no. And but when I started to a deep dive, I grew a new appreciation for it. I will say that now.

7:06 Luckily you sent us some pictures d and I wanted to which David is going to put up on the screen here in a second. While we talked, I wanted to ask you what the procedure was, what you went through to become Bifer. Well, well after I was cast. I had to actually get a life cast done. So that got done where I went to. Uh, I actually got it done in Atlanta because I was traveling at the time, and so I went to this gentleman's house who does this for all these productions. His studio him was So it was three people total. And there's a picture there I shared with you where I'm like in a bunch of green goop.

7:48 Uh maybe I think it's an that fold. It's well, that's our that's our makeup guy, Chris. But there's a picture I may I have to share it to you another time. It was yeah, there it is. So that's the end, almost the end of the process. So this process, they had to do a life cast on me, so basically from midg top of the chest to the top of the head. Fun fact, I'm extremely claustrophobic, so this was extremely difficult process for me, but I just I breathed through it. But it was many layers of it felt like paper mache. For anyone who's ever made a paper mache project when you were a kid, that's what it felt like, except I'm the subject. So it's just layers and layers of gauze and water and all the stuff that they had to apply and then to make it pliable. This green lay was the last piece. After this piece, they covered my eyes since I was claustrophobic, I said, please wait to the very end, and so the last ten minutes were the most horrific for me.

8:51 But they held my hand and I truly was just breathing. I was like to think about the big picture. You're gonna be on Star Trek. You're gonna be on Star Trek. But that was the I. In addition to that, I also had a mouth mold done. I guess similarly to is if you're getting dentures with this kind of yellow, gooey stuff to mold my teeth, and as you can see, my ears got molded too. So that was the first part of the process. They needed at least eight weeks or more to put everything together. And so what you're seeing here is my part of my morning routine, which was three hours of makeup every morning before my clock started to work. So my average workday was at least eighteen plus hours. That's me and my dressing room before they put the wig on. Sometimes I would ask them if I knew I wasn't gonna be shooting for a while.

9:43 I would say, can you put the wig on later? But that's what the back is. You can see like the details. I was so impressed, Like this isn't just a picture like when you're staring, when you're in the mirror, you can't see where this, where it starts andwhere it ends. And my makeup artist, Chris was just amazing and so eat. Fun. Fact though, each in one of those pictures shows that me holding my face mold, but each day was a different mold, so it wasn't they didn't put it back on, so they are hearing back. I don't know if anybody else here's that. But then now it's gone. But each day, and that's why I have so many of my mannequin heads.

10:23 I got to keep like eight of them. But I was like each day, so they came from Hollywood already on ahead, so each day they put in fresh one on and then taking it off took about forty minutes. But yeah, that was the process every day. Oh, in the episode you speak, did you have did you have to get coaching or did it just come natural to you. Natural you are a comedian, Absolutely not and I didn't even know. You know, when you audition for stuff like this, it's very top secret. You don't even even really know what it's for. They give you a a vibe, they give you a fake character, fake fake synopsis of what's happening.

11:11 I guess to cat get the essence of an actor that they want. But so there was no talk of kling On or anything. I may I guess that might have been, but not until I got the script. I was booked and they were about to do a table read with the rest of the cast, and like it was like a day or two before and like, oh, yeah, here's the kling On words and here's a little recording for you to practice. I was like, what, So the first table read didn't go well? I think I had holme mono. Well, that's all I had was the word human. I figured that part out. But then once I got to Toronto where the show is filmed, I had time with the dialect coach several times a week on Zoom.

11:51 Also when we as we were filming, the dialect coach was there on set with me, uh to give me tips to make adjustments. So yeah, that was it was intense. It was intense because any I'm sure all of you know who have probably studied kling On or maybe have it on Duolingo or practice. It's a quite challenging dialect for sure, especially when we add the layer of you know, an eighteen hour day, plus false teeth and you know, all the other elements. I actually saw the YouTube video that you did of that process of so that was that was really really neat.

12:31 Yeah, I'm glad you got to see it. I had so much behind the scenes footage I had to wait. I mean, it took so long for this season to come out, the actor strikes and everything just being I was just happy that it actually came back around and everyone got to see it. I wanted to ask you about the whip scene. Yeah, so did how did that come about? And do you actually handle the whip? Great question? Uh, so that I will say, what's wrapped around my corset outfit is the actual whip and how they wanted it to appear once she got to that point.

13:13 But and I though I rehearsed with a whip, well I had fight rehearsals with the whip. Sometimes when we actually filmed, there was no whip. It was just a piece. It was just the handle of the whip that was probably bigger than this scissor, and so it was very important for me to have rehearsals with a whip coach and with my fight and stunt coordinators to know what the weight of that whip really would feel like so when they came in CGI later it would be realistic. So on the day, yeah, that whip was not there, just me holding it and having the energy in my body to move it correctly. That's a wonderful shot though, I love it so much.

13:53 It's so bad aspect there. Yeah, you are a badass quan On for sure. More question and I'll pass you on over to Paul. I wanted to know, are we gonna see maybe a zombie version of you come back later? Are you actually dead or are you still out there somewhere? I you know, I don't know, you know, especially with the show going away, you know right start, you know, changing worlds. They they're on their last season, so I don't know anything, but I'm always hopeful, you know, for another opportunity. But you know, they kind of left it open, you know, at a at a glance, you see me being toppled and you know, being taken care of by all those zombies. But there's the reach for the flower, the camera flower for some hope. But we'll see, we'll see.

14:41 I feel like she she'd be pissed if she came back into zombie like. That's not that was not the point. No, no, all right, well I'm gonna I'm gonna pass the microphone over to Paul Hi. Paul Hi, Christine. It is a treat to have you here. You're just you did a phenomenal, phenomenal job. In this role. I just have to say, I have seen your work before on a show that I don't know if all of our treks perts have or not. A snowfall. Yeah yeah, oh my god, amazing. I mean amazing. I mean great show, great show, but you really stand.

15:24 Out for it. I'll tell you that very very But you know, I mean on Star Trek, like you get Klingons all the time, coming here and there from one franchise to another, you know, and like the heyday of Star Trek, the. Next generation, you get Klingons all the time, right, And I just have to say, I think when you came on the screen it was like we had never seen the energy level like you displayed before it was new. I felt like you brought such fresh is to me, like best I don't know what other trexports thing, but best Klingon since Gora, right, I mean, which is you know, the be all and end all of great Klingon performances, And I just I don't know what it is. Amazing, friend, you were incredible, and I would thank you to find out as an actor because especially where you kind of copped earlier, they're like, you're not like really coming into this thing as a big star trek man, like not enormously.

16:19 So how did you start building the character? Did you just watch a lot of old episodes and you talked to other characters who played or other actors who played them before? What was what was your process? How'd you build such a great character? Thank you so much and thank you for for appreciating it, all of you. I love the Trekspert. I love that the phrase. You know, I just treated her as I do any other character on any other show. For me, it's always about what's the truth of this character, what is what's the driving force for them? So yes, I had to I actually let go of in the beginning, let go of the fact that she was a Klingon and this was sci fi and start like just not at the root of this. She's a woman who has an issue with her father, and and there's there's this, there's there's there's history there, there's pain there and then of course adding on tradition. So that is where when I once I was booked, I did a deep dive between YouTube and just watching so many videos, watching oh old Star Trek, watching of course binging strains and worlds.

17:29 Were just wanting to see. I wanted to find my physicality also as a Klingon because I saw so much with some of the older stuff. It was very like wow and like you know, like glasses hitting the floor and just like just surround like this barbaric energy, which I was like, okay, yes, And but I was like, this is a woman who's who's in the hierarchy here? And how does she operate and how does she represent herself and owning her power and demanding respect? So why does she carry herself? Like so all that was very important to me, and so it took me a while to find it. But I just all I did was watch Star Trek. So I just I just went so, and because even in my hotel room at night, I was in Toronto for at least almost two weeks before I filmed anything. It was just fight rehearsals and dialogue, dialect coaching and fittings. So I just had a lot of time to sit with it. So for me, that was my process, binging the content, connecting to what the world was. I had to make it true to me.

18:32 I think when I was younger the reason why I didn't get into Star Trek. I had a hard time as a younger person find I need to find what feels real in my mind. I was like that found it feels so far away, like that would never happen. So I would like, I like sci Fi, Like all of a sudden, I wake up with the superpower. So I was like, well, how can I bring the grounded energy to this world and make it grounded for me and real for me? So that was a process that I eventually came into. And then being on set once I got to see the stages in Toronto and feel where my world was, and oh my goodness, the room in which we had multiple sets, but the main room where they do a lot of the outer worldly other the other world. It's this huge room with just screens all around, so everything feels so magical. And so even as an actor doing this very very long time, going onto a set or onto a stage, it's a sound stage, is still I transport. I'm no longer on a stage.

19:33 I'm in the world. And so once I saw my ship and then my costumes and then zombies, it just became so real and that's what you get. And for me, fighting for this this respect was just paramount. And then working with in Benga Babs the actor, he's so grounded, so rooted, and as as with Anson is so it made it also just easy to be in the moment and be true. So long answer, but I get very passionate about it, but that's what it was. Yeah, it's great, and you had such a cool art that you know, got conveyed so so quickly, right, and so you come in and you're basically trying to find out.

20:17 You know, who's respect. You're initially you're trying to like settle things with your dad and then you find out, well, he's gone. I don't get to have that. I can't reckon accounts the way Klingon honor demands me too. But and then you find out, oh, this guy, my Benga, he like took that away from me, and honor now demands that you kill him. And it's just this great you know, I mean, one of the Klingons, but. Like space Vikings, right, they're just all like you know, driven by you know, honor and vengeance and getting you know, to the higher realms after you die. I mean, it's just great. But it was such a I just how you conveyed so much of that in such a brief amount of time and made it compelling and h and just a sense of her having a justice been stolen from her and there was just nothing was going to get in her way to get that back. Even though you could maybe respect my Benga, you had to do what you had to do to you know, reclaim your honor.

21:16 And it was you conveyed a lot of frustration and and you know, just angst at the situation you found yourself in, but like your society wouldn't. Let you get past that, you had to do it. And I just thought it was just brilliant. I thought it was just really compelling. I'm going to go on record is saying. I really, really really, really really really hoped that there's like an NDA out there that you just don't want to talk about. And that that that. You did not succumb to the zombies, because to create such a great cling on character and then be done with them so quickly, I'm ready for like a Captain byThe a TV show. Frankly, I would I would tune into that shit every week. I mean, you're just ferocious and compelling and cool and there's just no getting around it.

22:02 So can you give us a hint about what you got coming next? Where are we going to see you next in your next role? Well, first of all, thank you for all of that, and I received that. I and you know, Star Trek was really the manifestation of a dream from a year from two years ago. I wanted to do more action and sci fi and while I this came and God blessed me with this. For me, what's coming up next? When I've most recently finished, There's a new show coming to Netflix top of twenty six starring Burt comedian Burt Kreischer, and the show is called free Bert. Totally different as a single camera comedy, and I play a headmaster of a school. So it should be a lot of laughs, so good, total opposite of kling On World. But that's what I'll be doing next.

22:50 Cool such range you have, it's just crazy out. But try to keep. Keeper in science fiction and fantasy for us, friend, because I just think you're amazing and you're you're a powerhouse. But just thanks for. Making you know, such a great moment. That's a really cool character. You're gonna get fan fiction to death by the community. They're going to just do bite the stories like crazy. So but that's what I predicted. Enough of my app and who's taking the chair next. Buddy, Well let's see, how about the He had a couple of questions.

23:34 Yes, Well, first off, I just want to offer my condolences to you at the loss of your husband. Oh thank you. But the fact that I think that's a there's a gift that he and his family gave you, that you knew about Star Trek and you dedicated this to him, So that just that really gets that really gets to me because my for my husband passed away a couple of years ago. We weren't married at the time, but he because I've been in and out of Star Trek through the years, raising my kids and all that, and I was reluctant to watch anything besides the original series because I was a purist, you know. And he got me into Voyager and so I love that. And I was able to achieve a dream and meet Kate Maule grew a couple of weekends ago, so that was fantastic.

24:32 But no, that energy, that dedication and energy you definitely brought to Bitha, Oh my goodness. And I have an acting background. I just wish you had been my friend. When I was in college and my parents. I went to BCU, I was a theater major, and my parents convinced me that I would never go anywhere with my degree. And you know, when you're ninete, teen, twenty, you don't know so. But I've done stuff off and on throughout the years. But I'm just so inspired by everything Star Trek and inspired by you because you're you're this virtual community where you're giving What really got me again was you're giving back to the community that has blessed you beyond measure. That just jumped out at me, and you know, just got me kind of choked up a little bit because really and truly, in the scope of things, you know, if you're blessed like that, you give back and that's what you're doing. Not everybody does that. Yeah, so yeah, and I'm just uh, I also like that you are a booking magnet? Can you Can you explain that just to Tempit?

25:52 Yeah? Absolutely? My sign behind me and I even I even because I keep it behind. This is my live corner. I do lives. So I even have a book called Playing Small, The Actor's Guide to Becoming a Booking Magnet. I'm a student of law of attraction. I believe that you know, what we attract, right, what we think about, we bring about. And so in my studies over the years, I was just like, well, if I attract money and people and experiences, and well I can attract bookings, I'm a magnet. I'm magnetic, you know. So then I was like, I'm a booking magnet. So it just became this affirmation in this way of life for me. And so I was like, well, if I'm a booking magnet, well what does that mean and how do I operate? It means I attract bookings to me. If I'm not booking roles, I'm booking rooms, I'm making memorable moments, you know, I'm doing my best work. You know, I'm attracting like all that I say that I am. You know, my standard is excellence in all that I do. So that's what that's about for me. And it's just about just being so aware of what I put out into the world.

26:50 See how I speak about myself, how I speak about my career, how I speak about my craft, how I love on myself, my worth, all of that. You know, this industry as an actor is challenging webs and there's so many opportunities to doubt ourselves and wonder if we're good enough. And so the script that you repeat to yourself over and over again is the most important one. So that's been my mission, not only to speak like to myself, but to my community of actors. Well, when you said that, you know, the thing about law of attraction, I got chills because I have recently gotten into that because I've been sort of in a rut for a number of years and just this year started to open up get back into Star Trek. Going to New Jersey was a huge thing for me to do, but I did it, and so I'm I'm yeah, I'm considering myself in transitions. So I might have to reach out to you with this this virtual community because I was talking with talking about the difficulties in Hollywood. I was talking with Nana Visitor, you know, as you do about the difficulties because in Hollywood there's always the agism problem.

27:59 And even where I work, there is, you know, with the actors that portray historic figures, and there's like an agism thing too. So it's it's one of those things where I think, I mean, you do what you can, but that I think having that faith and that law of attraction on your side, that that's got to help. So yeah, but I think I think I might because I'm I'm I'm feeling a shift in my whole being. So I just thank you for for that, so you might hear back from me. Welcome. Yeah, but again, thank you for that awesome performance by the just was like Jim said, Uncle Jim said, badass, bad to the bone.

28:47 Yes, thank you. She was awesome for sure. And I think I think David might have a question, right David. Yeah, yeah, Hi, welcome to the show. Thank you, David. So I just had a quick question. About another show that you were on called The Good Doctor, and I was wondering if you, uh, like, how was it working with Freddie high hide Born or. Yeah? It was awesome. He was a joy work with, very easy going, very friendly, you know, funny. My brain is going back to some long days where we got the giggles and just started laughing. He's just one of those, uh, just kind, super talented, grounded actors. It was so it was great working with him, very easy, effortless. Yeah, one of my one of my favorite. I don't have a I don't have a lot of bad stories. Definitely, some people are nicer than others, and he was one of those.

29:57 I was just very warm. He's just one of those people who you know, like you if you piss him off, you've done something really bad, it's it's it's you probably. Probably cool. No, that's awesome. So my next question for you would be you mentioned that you have phobia for claustrophobia and stuff like that. Do you have any trible phobia since. I knew nothing of before. Uh, my husband Garland trouble with tribles or something with tribles like troubles would he would have those references and it would go over my head and he's like, I'm just gonna play the video for you. Then he's like, so now none of no, no trible, okay, thankful cool.

30:43 I wanted to ask you what it would like to play a cleanon and Star Trek. I mean, I know that you talked a lot about it already with uh Gem and everybody, but I was just wondering if there was any other pouch that you might or to share that like maybe behind the change that you might have found that was like super funny that you could share. I think the biggest because of like the just having the teeth and the weight of the hair and the weight of the clothes like just impacts just everything. I'm a very graceful person. I'm you know, five nine, but where heels, I'm six foot. I took dance class, so I'm used to walking very great posture. But everything in the from the clothing and the choices and the weight, just and thinking about the world that the Klingons are living in just brings this extra weight. So it was a lot of fun just again finding that physicality, but you felt it all day. And also she's you know, these are not just prim proper people, Like yes, I wasn't throwing beer bottles on the ground and renting. But that is part of you know, part of me and part of who we come from, and so that is a part of that. I'm sure I have we seen Baitha at a bar or you know, hanging out with friends, you might see a different side of her. So that

32:15 made it pretty pretty interesting. And also also because I had on prosthetics for about eighteen hours a day, it just feels like it becomes a part, just a part of you, right, And that was interesting too. So it definitely had this moment of when I finally had to take it off of like truly shedding skin and putting on these layers. Another fun fact, you know, you kind of feel trapped as the character too in a way because the clothing conveniently doesn't you can't get out of that outfit alone, Like it takes two people to dress me. So there's like under armour, just under armour, long sleeve shirt, under armour pants. Then there's like these custom made thingies with suspenders, and then there's like this jacket. It's kind of like a straight jacket you put you put it on from behind, someone has the zippy up from the back, and then there's the gold like armor plate thing. One part goes across the chest and then another part goes over your head, and then it goes over your shoulders and then they're putting them on. So it's just like there's no like quick, hey, I have to go to the bathroom quick, like you have to like plan I've had tensips of water. Right, But even just all of that commitment again, I used it as an actor like, this is how I commit to my existence. I'm willing to put this on. We don't just put on you know, shirts and jeans, right, you know, it's like this is my armor. This is how we protect ourselves and how we battle, and so all that felt really cool too, just again just added layers to the character and just

33:49 how I existed in the world, which was a lot of fun. Word that sounds like a lot of. That's the part of acting. People. You know, people see red carpets and oh you're on TV. All cool, But there's a lot of work. You know, a lot of mental work, staying focused of course, learning your lines, and staying awake and being present and giving all that you got. But you know, gosh, in those moments where you get tired or it's been a long day, but always I'm always reminded of this is something my boyfriend. My boyfriend now says to me. He says, Christine, you are enshrined, And I don't take that lightly, you know, like to be I'm gonna speak frankly. To be a black woman in a role like this is huge, and I know I can only imagine. I remember walking to the fitting the first day and seeing the the sketch of this character and being like, gosh, some young woman or some grown woman is gonna look and be inspired and see like this this opportunity that existed, and know that that's possible even think beyond I Really that is the way that I don't take for granted art, you know, And that's why I love I love connecting with this this the fans, the fans and the trekky is because it's like as much as people want to say, oh, you know sci fi, Oh we're sci fi nerves, we're geeking, you no, like like you're passionate, Like you found something

35:20 that and you like took the time to you take the time to research it and dissect it. Like as artists, we appreciate that that you will even the writers appreciate that you're dissecting the scripts and dissecting the language, we're dissecting the performances. It makes it worth it because there's so many things that we do that people never see or care to even know deeper about. So yeah, wow, that's that's amazing. Thank you for sharing. Yeah, I say real quank you. I'm sorry. I was going to say real quick. You have inspired me more than I can express right now. Oh wow, Well, God's wonderful. Thank you. You're us.

36:02 I think I think that would be Charles Hey, Charles hey, Charles. Okay, thank you, jam thank you Christine. Uh you start to talk about the process of getting the role and the table read. I'd love to hear more about that story. Oh wonderful. Yeah. I was trying not to jump ahead of myself, right. I did share my audition for this on my Instagram, so you're welcome to watch that and your viewers hopefully we'll go to my instagram and watch it. But it was one of those auditions that was a top secret code name for the show. They don't even tell you what the show is called. You kind of guess me and my agents kind of guessed it might be for Star Trek. We were right, but they give you the you know, they gave me this this I forgot what her name was, rock It was something like rock something, but it basically described the energy of her like that she was sad ass and she was you know, loyal, all this stuff. And I had a great audition that I did. Hear my in my home in front of my great backdrop, but it came to the park with the knife. I had a real knife because I keep knives.

37:12 Oh that's when I'm you know, keep them around the house. Why not. From my husband who was you know, ex marine, so you know, knives everywhere. So so yeah, that audition is on my Instagram if anyone wants to see it. And it was a while before I found out that I booked it, and then fun fact, I booked it, and then the strikes happened, and so it wasn't until it was easily a year later before we actually filmed it. We didn't actually film my episode till January of last year, twenty twenty four, and then yes in Toronto and with the first table read was a virtual table read. That's how we do the table reads now, especially post COVID and it was so cool to see Young Spock and the Then when I got to set the first time and they were doing the makeup tests on me, I got to go on the ship and like meet them, like this is so cool. You know, I think you have one of the pictures. I'm standing with the writer and the director of the episode.

38:13 Uh. That's where I wasn't in costume, but I did have my prosthetics on. And that was that my first day. Everybody saw Bitha for the first time. So everybody even you know, to see young Spock looking at me like wow. Ethan was like this is cool. I'm like, you look cool. You know. So it was a lot of fun. You've got a pretty extensive list of IMDb's What were a couple of your favorite roles you did any stories that go with those roles? Oh? Man, ah, so many. I'm trying my brain now is trying to see my own credits. But I would say one show that was the most memorable was Timeless, show that was on NBC. Even I played Harriet Tubman. You know, so you talk about an American hero. That for me was a big graduation moment for me in my career.

39:12 Was like my largest guest star role at the time, and such an honor to join the ranks of women who have played Harriet Tubman and to do it on television. And that role is pretty cool because I'll go speak at schools and things like that, and there'll be a lot of young people who say, we watched Timeless in school. We watched that episode the general and we learned a lot, and so that that was a lot of fun. I think. On the total flip side of that, I did a show called Black Mafia Family where I played a role called Mabel and she was a homewrecker, just a messy homewrecker. And that was fun too, just because the Internet hated me, but the role was a lot of fun. Got a lot of hate mail, but the role was fun. I just loved waiting to pretend, you know, I'm doing this since I was a kid, and the fact that I get to put on wigs and costumes and make up and it's just a dream come true. I mean, I think, honestly, I don't get tired of it. It's still all fresh and new to me. I'm so grateful for it all.

40:17 As I talk about auto racing, I don't care if they're cheering or booing as long as I can hear them. Yes, I love that, exactly, exactly. Pass it over to Eric. Thank you. Yeah, Christine last banal least here. I Yeah, So I have a couple of quick acting related questions and then it's sort of non acting related questions. So I was looking, of course at your IMDb and I noticed that you it's kind of you consider the achievement of your dream, of your early dreams to be performing in The Lion King on that way, And I'd love to know more about that, because I've seen that show twice already and it's I mean, it's one of the greatest, you know, on stage performances that's out there, I think. And so what did you do and what was that like?

41:13 Really? Really it really was remind me with City. Or in again. I'm in Portland, Oregon. Okay, I didn get to go to Portland. I was trying to see what year. Well, yeah, Lion King was awesome. I went to an open call one day in two thousand and three in Atlanta, Georgia, and it was for The Lion King and another show called Aida at the time, and it was a dual audition never heard anything from the Lion King. Never I had a callback for Aita and they even offered me a standby row, which I declined, and out of the blue, three years later they called. I was working my day job as a receptionist and they're like, hey, can you come to New York for a callback? And I was like, uh, you know, borrow some money and get a plane ticket. I did that and I went and I didn't book it. They said, hey, you're next in line, and I was like, okay, whatever that means. A month later, someone got, you know, an injury and needed needed to and I was next to mine.

42:09 And I quit my job that day and I packed my house up in a week. I went on the road for on and off for five years. I got to do the Broadway version of that company in two thousand and eight. Once they invest in you and you're good and they like you, they'll move you around as their needs people, because especially for the ensemble the show, your contract is just kind of open ended, you know. So it was really amazing. So I got to play. I started as an ensemble member with a Nala understudy, and then I got like promoted to go to another tour because back in the day they used to have two North American tours that going at the same time, just on two different coasts. And so then I went to another tour and played Nala and then like, oh, they like good job. And then so then I got to go to Broadway in two thousand and eight and like, oh, then I went to Vegas and did Mandalay Bay right before the last few months before it closed. I got to go to Mexico City and Honolulu in Germany, and so it was such a gift. And once I feel like I checked all the boxes, I moved on because I knew I wanted to do film and TV. But it was an amazing experience that I that I had.

43:17 I wouldn't trade it for anything else. Well, I'm sorry that I didn't get to see you in my city because I bet you would have totally nailed it. And you know, even though Bitha the Klingon was amazing, I haven't heard any singing from you yet, and I'm sure that I would really enjoy that as well. You can't. You can't get in Line King without being a great singer. That's exactly yeah, yeah, oh, that's fantastic. Well you know, one of the other shows that I must admit is one of my absolute guilty pleasures that you were in three episodes of is Lincoln Lawyer. Yeah, season one. You know, I'm not even a lawyer show guy. I like sci fi and I like a lot of different types of but for whatever reason, that show really resonates with me, and I just think Manuel Garcia is fantastic.

44:04 So what was that like working on that show? I mean, I know it was only three episodes, so it wasn't like a huge part of your career, but you have any cool, like, you know, feelings or thoughts about that. I was, again just I was happy to just be on a David Kelly show, to be totally honest, And I love the casting director, Wendy O'Brien, and that fun fact about that show because that was my first lawyer gig that I actually booked. I auditioned for many lawyers, and I remember being on set and I was like, I need like some I asked for a prop. I need like something. This first time you meet me in the courthouse, I was telling him about some case and and I remember we were they were setting up the lights, and I just was said to myself. I don't know if anyone's ever watched you know TMZ but a hook at the end, You're.

44:56 Like, I'm a lawyer. Yes, yes, it's fantastic. So many times over the years I object you're on earth like just all I couldn't even take myself seriously because I've been practicing so long most active practiced those few lines. I have just got to say it. Oh, I just tickled myself, But it was That's what I'm saying, Like, at this big age and stage, I still am so grateful to do what I do, and it's it's just so much fun. Yes, it's hard work and long hours, and there's days where there's or years where you're not working and it's so slow. But man, when you you know as many things that I enjoy doing, but moments like that, like I don't, it's just it leaves me speechless. I just I love it so much.

45:55 So much, well, you know, I mean, I think as fans, we kind of get into this space where we put actors in a kind of like them sort of category. And I love getting actors in an environment like this, especially somebody like you who's so warm and inviting and willing to talk about themselves because for me, it humanizes you, right, It like brings you into the family, and you're like, oh, she's just not up there on a pedestal somewhere. She's just like a regular gal who likes doing what she's doing and like actually gets thrilled by it every single time she gets to do it, so exactly, I just think that's really special. Okay, So slight pivot then away from your acting career. I always like to ask our guests about what they do outside of acting. This is your job, and I'm sure that you love your job, but you know, some people do music, some people do art, some people read books. What do you like to do in your spare time.

46:48 I love to garden. I'm a gardener, so just getting in the dirt and growing wild flowers and vegetables and herbs is my thing. I'm also a dog lover. Many dogs on this podcast. You know. And you know, after my husband had passed, my dog of seven years, my first dog ever, died from the phonma two weeks after he did. So, I chose you. I was done. I was done. And then so it took a while, but then about a year or so later, I was like, it's time, and then so I went to the shelters and rescued a little Laurier mixed name Roomy. And then a few months later I got him a big little brother German shepherd puppy name of Apollo, so big dog lover. So I have my company here and outside of that, I love going to movies and listening to music. I do sing as well. I love to write. And outside of that, of course coaching, I coach and mentor other actors. I have a whole community called Hollywood Found Actors, which I just can't seem to stop doing. I feel like it's a calling on me to do and to give back and to pour in and to be the coach that I wish I had, so up a lot of time mentoring or making TikTok videos or you know that kind of thing. Just I can't help but be a bit of a content creator and an educator. But I love to create. I love to have fun, and I love to like to cook also that's a lot of fun too, and give back.

48:19 Many gardeners are very good cook so that does not surprise me. On it makes sense because I don't I'm a lousy gardener and I'm allowsy cook. Okay, I love dogs. I have a rescue I have a rescue hound, so I love dogs. So wonderful, awesome. Well, I'll just say that I really appreciate the fact that you're so inspiring to lots of young women, lots of young black women and other women of color. You're also an inspiration to people who look like me. Man Like the fact that you're out there doing the things that you're doing and you're loving them and you're just totally kicking as at them. It's just an inspiration to us. Also, I'll just say thank you so much for joining us on the on the podcast. I'm going to pass it back to Uncle Jim. But it was just a real pleasure to talk to you.

49:07 Thank you, thank you all great questions, everybody's great conversation. So I had an idea for a new show. How about Bitha as a lawyer. There we go lawyer cling on lawyer. She can say, she can say I'm a lawyer and crack her on. Somebody in the same. I would love you. Let's let's put. Out show. So I wanted to pivot back to Star Trek real quick. So we're always hearing about how funny they are on the cast, like Answer Mount in particular. So when you were working on your zombie scenes with him and Babs, was there any fooling around or jokes going on or was it deadly seriou?

50:00 Actually not a lot, because our days were so long, they were just everybody was just really focused to be to be honest, and on the days we were filming, there were all those zombies, all those all the stunt people. It was a lot going on, right. It wasn't that none of that is just like, oh we copied five people and pasted them. No, it was a lot of people, And so with that, it was just a lot of focus because the days were very long and very trying. So not saying that they're not, you know, but in my experience they were focused. I was focused. You know. Also, as you know, when you come in as a guest artist, like for one episode, you're in and out, you kind of it's very common to just be a loner because everyone else has their flow and their rhythm and the things, and they know each other. And I had so much on my mind between my stunt choreography and lines and cling on and all the things. I was just so focused on getting it right and being alert, so I didn't have any of those moments. But I'm sure I've seen some of the other episodes of the season where they're singing and all kinds of fun stuff is happening.

51:15 There's a lot of fun moments that happened, for sure. So nobody broke into Michael Jackson's thriller while you were zombieing around. Perhaps maybe I missed it again because there were a lot of there were a lot of stunt stunt actors on set that on those days, so I'm sure it could have happened for sure. Oh I thought of So if I could ask, have you. Watched that episode yet? Have you have you watched your performance in that episode? Oh? Yeah, what did you think? Do you think you were a really badass? Claim I did. I was very proud. Of course, any actor worthrough saw is probably gonna pick out a few things, which I naturally did. That's constructive feedback and criticism for next time. But I enjoyed it.

51:58 I was very pleased with how it came out. I didn't I don't watch the dailies or see, you know, outside of the moment, what's happening. You know, maybe the stunt coordinator might say, you know, and see what you did there, let's fix that. But no, I was very pleased with it. I want to get the footage so I can watch it some more at a viewing party and had friends over and then I watched it privately, you know, and yeah, I was very pleased. Yeah, you're you're immortalized in the world of Star Trek. Now you will ever be Bite. Yeah, it's a big deal. Not only that, Christine, you never know, but you just may one day find out from your agent that you're being immortalized and plastic. I mean, there could be a Bite action figure down the road for you. I mean, you know, popular characters. I've got a little in the toy universe, and I just go.

52:49 Up with that. Scene that was so well, I'm I'm open to it as long as that means that, you know, not you know that also equates to money and other opportunity and sci fi conferences and appearances. You wouldn't have to do any of that stuff. Yeah, I want, I wanted to. I wanted to add I did just a face cast way back in uh school in college, and I was I'm very claustrophobic too, and the whole thing about breathing, you're totally that's the only thing that gets you from like screaming and tearing everything off. But with the with that zombie scene, especially at the end where Bitha is just getting consumed, that looked like was that as intense as it looked like?

53:34 And yeah, great question, but it was No. I was gonna say and after because I know that I know from other intense movies when they have a scene like that that everybody has to sort of get together afterwards. And I guess make sure that everybody's okay. You know that that you know that this this intensity does not carry on with you know what does that make any sense? Oh? Yeah, like a release? Everybody. Everybody has their process for sure. The biggest thing that happened on set again, we're surrounded by stunt coordinators, fight coordinators and safety teams, so it's all wonderfully staged. It is a lot of energy and a lot of people coming on top of you and toping you know. But they had like a like a really low table that I slid under, and so the weight of humans did not No one was crushing my actual you know best, but I will still under a table. So still did help my claustroph ovid energy.

54:39 But you know, I'm like, you know, I can I can do. I can do. When they when they didn't need to all be there, they weren't. When they got another angle, I moved and they and my stunt double came in. So that's oh, Hannah, wha, who's my stunt double? Amazing athlete, Olympic athlete. She came in for some of that heavy lifting, you know, the heart our falls, the pushes in moments where it was she was being toppled in a wider shot. You know, she came in like a pro and held me down. So I'm grateful for that. That's awesome. Yeah, that was. That was an intense, intense scene. Mm hmm, it was. It was. Yeah. I just wanted to ask one more thing. What did you think about our theme song?

55:23 Eric? It was cashy like, I'm going to be mad at you because when I'm singing it in my head in the middle of the night. Yeah, we need to add we need to add Bitha to it. And I love the graphics and everything. Nice job, nice shot. Eric, Eric. Eric sang it. I wrote it David put the video together. It's a group effort. I gotta say, I again, I'm just starting to do some of these podcasts as I have time. I say, yes, you know, I'm not super concerned about how big the fire only is. Like I'm like, I just might have time. If I can make it work, I would love to.

56:04 But I again, I love the dedication in the whether it's in the outfits or the music or the production value. I think I just appreciate it. I really do. Yeah, well, we we appreciate you very much. And I just want to say thank you for taking time out of your busy schedule to truck talk with us. Thank you, thank you. Yes, it's my pleasure. Thank you so much. And I look forward to you know, send it to me and I'll definitely share it and uh, you know, we'll see what happens in the future. I hope to see you in another planet sometime soon to.

56:46 The Legal kling On Lawyer Show. For spending time with us today, Christie, thank you so much. You so much, thank you, thank you bye. All Right, guess that was fun. That was. Awesome. Just a really nice person. Definitely when she said that about the law of attraction that just like I said, it gave me chills because I've been delving into that lately and it's really helped quite a bit to get me through some stuff. But yeah, I think I definitely have to contact her and see if I can see maybe I can achieve my dream of being, you know, seven years old, vowing that I would be on Star Trek. Hey, it's never to never never say never, never say never.

57:51 Absolutely. I know. She probably didn't know that work. Well, it would have been funny. What would have been funny if you'd had it? Squeal at her, you know, doing the little trible shrieking, a little squeaking trible. I think I didn't want to say it when she was talking Dennis. But we do have a video that I that she sent me if you guys would like to see it, absolutely about her with with her her stunt doubles learning how to use the whip. You guys want to see that? Yes, roll the tape, David, What I do?

58:41 K M. My wonderful stunt double. I want to get it before we are in there. I can't recognize she's amazing patience. This is my brother reminds me to missus Vincent, who is so patient. He tells me to walk and get low and he drills me amazing. We're about to rehearse, so Vincent just training me on how to throw the whip, even though there would not be a real whip on the day.

59:24 When I first started fight rehearsals, for hours a day, I just practiced with a fake knife going against the wall, just to work on my posture and my form. So my lesson every day was to go slow before I could go fast, so I would rehearse with Mike since Babs was filming. As you can see here, I do not have the full whip. This is how I actually filmed it with just this little piece. But it was important that Vincent taught me the actual posture I would need when the whip would be added and more fight rehearsals. I got more infidite working with Mike, but it was still very challenging to make sure my form was right.

1:00:05 And I ended every single day with a bath because my body's hurt. So she sent me that video and I couldn't figure out how to get it into the show while she was live, but I wanted to show that anyway, So thank you so much for sending us that video. All right, guys, so this is the part of the show where we do our fan shout outs. So you guys ready for some shout outs? Shout them out? All right, take it away, David. Where's our shout outs? There they are.

1:00:46 We don't have a shout out song, Jim, I. Know, yeah, we'll have to come up with a shout out song. All right. Well I'll just go ahead, all right. So our first fan shout out goes out this week to Simon Walker from Great Britain. He says, only not so great at the moment. Well, that's right, Simon, we feel your pain, not bros. Thanks for saying hello to us this week. We really appreciate your support for the podcast. Also saying hello this week to Joe McLoud who's in Western Australia sending us that amazing Australian flag. Joe McLoud, thank you so much for supporting us in the other hemisphere. It's amazing the reach of our podcast. Sometimes it just makes me feel really amazing inside to know that there are people so far away that know who we are. I would like to also welcome and say hello to James Wilson.

1:01:48 This week, who is hailing from da jen Geads on the Haida Kwai Peninsula in BC, Canada. First Nations designations going on. I love that peace and long life, live long and prosper to all Trekkies around the world, and James sends us a live, long and prosper sign and a smiley face. James, thank you so much for saying hello to us and for acknowledging the people who originally come from those lands with you with your locations there. And last, but not at least, we would like to say at least I would like to say hello to Gunther Bolanse, who's saying hello from Antwerp in Belgium today.

1:02:32 One of those very cool countries that feels like it just combines the cultures of so many different places and has its own culture. It's just it's a really really cool country. And your architecture is something that really blows my mind sometimes when I start to think about Belgian architecture. Gunther, thank you so much for saying hello to us this week. Charles, I would like to pass this shout out megaphone over to you now, sir. Oh, thank you. Eric. Let's start off with starf Late HQ. Welcome James Banks, which of course is in San Francisco. H James, Like I get back to your city soon. Della Jay Oak from south central Pennsylvania, Welcome Della. Welcome Elmer Clott from Portage, Wisconsin.

1:03:28 Welcome Elmer Man. I actually got a top fan. Welcome Mary Stefan from Pennsylvania. Oh, welcome Mary. And the who's on your list? Well, I have somebody from my neck of the woods, Katala Brett in Virginia where I don't know, but hello, I hope you can come to Williamsburg sometime visit us here. Then I have or sorry, Charles James T. McCarty from Aniston, Alabama. That is an awesome name, Charles. Then we have, oh, Michael Seuss from Indianapolis, Indiana. And then another sort of my neck of the woods, Steve Stanley from Roanoke, Virginia, Star city of the South. All right, onto you, Paul.

1:04:29 Just checking my audio friends, can you hear me? Okay? Now I can, Yes, we can. Okay, let's try it. It keeps trying to reconnect. First of all, let's say greetings to our good pal Stuart Cook in Worcestershire, United. Oh. Well, Okay, there we go. All right, let's move on to the next list, and then we'll come back to Paul after he disconnects and reconnects. Yeah, well, Steve, if Paul can come back, If not, we'll just have Eric continue on. All right, So I'm going to step in here for a second, and I want to say hello and thank you to Mary el Silva, who's listening to us down in Florida. Thank you, Mary, it's great to have you along with us. I have a top fan on my list, Jerry Lee from San Antonio, Texas.

1:05:13 Thank you so much. Next on my list, I want to say hello and thank you to Lenn Trecoor, who's listening to us in Detroit, Michigan, and another top fan. I love it when I get top fans. We want to say thank you to KIRKP. Del Costa from Nebraska. And how do you become a top fan? Eric, how do you become a top fan? Well, Jim, you start to interact with us a ton on our Facebook page. And I believe that that's a little designation that Facebook gives you because when you like something, when you love something, when you comment on something, it sort of builds up into a frenzy of top fannedness, and we appreciate having as many top fans as we can possibly get.

1:05:56 Absolutely, and I guess Paul has to run off to a meeting. So Eric, do you want to continue Paul's birthday list? I definitely do well. Not birthday list, but shout out list. We're gonna say hello this week to Stuart Cook, who's from Worcestershire, UK, and we had a lot of fun with the name of that area last week. Is that the sauce that you put on the steake? No, it's not. It is a place in the United Kingdom and we have a ton of support from our friends just across the pond. Thank you so much for saying hello to us this week, Stuart. We really appreciate your support. I would also like to say hello this week to Yalma Cristo, who hails from Baio Razante in Brazil. You know, we surprisingly have a lot of support down in South America, particularly Brazil, and Yalama you are one among many. I'm sure that you have a Star Trek club down there, or at least a bunch of people that you know that also enjoy the same franchise as you. Enjoy and we enjoy your support and really appreciate you saying hello to us this week. Like to say hello this week as well to Petro Sian from Dublin, Ireland. One of those places I would love to go because I love your food, I love your culture, and believe it or not, I love your weather. I'm a rainy weather kind of guy.

1:07:13 So Betra Sheen, thanks for saying hello to us. And last but not least, on Paul's list, I would like to say hello to top fan Renier W Bierman, who is from the city of mes in Deutschland and they send us three livelong and prospers as well as that amazing German flag. Thank you Nier for saying hello to us this week. A lot of support right there in the center of Europe for our podcast and we always appreciate friends from Germany saying hello. So there you have it. That does it for our shout outs this week. Jim absolutely and if you guys would like to be featured in a future fan shout out, head over to our Facebook page Truck Talking and beyond you'll see a little livelong and prosper pin to the top of the page.

1:07:58 Just pop in there, tell us where you listening from it. We have lots of emojis because it gets my attention and gets you points to become a top fan also, and you see it on the screen right there. There's me and my daughter Jamie at Trek Connoroga with mister Spock. You guys can send us your fan photos. There's me and Michael dorm back in nineteen ninety one. We can get your pictures right up here on the screen, so you'll be immortalized for all of eternity as a Star Trek fan, So please please do that. We'd love to add. Your picture to our collection. All right, guys, we're going to skip down to our Star Trek birthdays right now, which means which means we're a little bit out of whack here because we're doing things out of order, which means this.

1:09:00 Figure fuck. That was not a clean out song. All right, guys, this is the part of the show where you can find out what Star Trek actor you share our birthday with. But before we do that. We like to remember those members of our Star Trek family who, sadly enough, are no longer with us, and for that we turned to Eric this week. We are going to remember four members of our Star Trek community who have gone before us. The first is actress Kathy Brown. Kathy Brown was the California based actress who appeared as Dela in the TOS third season episode Wink of an Eye. This blonde haired, blue eyed played many are new parts and was very busy acting on television in the nineteen sixties and nineteen seventies, but one of her most famous acting roles was as the prospective bride of Adam Cartwright, doing the during the nineteen sixty three to nineteen sixty four season of Bonanza. From nineteen fifty nine, I will admit that I have seen a ton of Bonanza they slid in reruns as a child, and I actually remember Kathy Brown as the bride of Adam Cartwright. It's a weird kind of like long term memory that's in there for some reason. She was also, of course, on various shows including Sea Hunt, seventy seven, Sunset Strip, Gun Smoke, Perry Mason. One of her four appearances on Perry Mason was as Sherry Jackson. She was on my favorite Martian Wagon Train, Wild Wild West, Fantasy Island,

1:10:33 The Love Boat. All those shows I feel like this is defining the reruns of my childhood right now. Kathy Brown, thank you so much for all of your contributions to Star Trek. Unfortunately we lost her all the way back in two thousand and three at seventy two years old. Happy Birthday to her. Her birthday is September nineteenth. She was born in nineteen thirty. Happy birthday as well to Jerry As, the actor who played o'heiri in the TS first season episode Arena and Rizzo in the second season episode Obsession, Ayers was born as Gerald Hoyt Ayers Junior.

1:11:15 He was to go on to become a regular on General Hospital and The Bold and the Beautiful, two soaps that my mom used to watch all so I've actually seen a lot of Jerry Ayers too. He had a reoccurring role in the first season of Dynasty as well. Plenty of other television guest stars to his credit, including Green Hornet Hogan's Heroes, The Invaders, Mod Squad, The Outcast, Police Story, Charlie's Angels, Barniby Jones, and Chips. Little known fact and for those of you who are currently watching this podcast, this is a little bit of Trek talking trivia.

1:11:55 There may be a reason that my first name is spelled with a K and its last name maybe Estrata. Happy birthday, wid ZERI, Oh my gosh, is that true? Yea, it is. Okay, that's awesome. Yeah, that's awesome, all. Right, Happy birthday as well to Henry Gibson, the prolific actor who played Milva in BDS nine six season episode Prophet and Lace. Outside of Star Trek, he of course, is best remembered as a regular performer on the television variety series Rowan and Martin's Laughing from nineteen sixty eight through nineteen seventy one. I don't know what's going on tonight, but I've seen a ton of episodes of laugh In.

1:12:45 He went on to appear in a large number of films, including several from Robert Altman and Joe Dante. Gibson worked with director Altman on several films, beginning with The Long Goodbye nineteen seventy three, but he's best known as the country singer in Haven Hamilton in Singer Sorry his name was Haven Hamilton from the movie Nashville from nineteen seventy five. That performance actually earned him a National Society of Film Critics Award as Best Supporting Actor, as well as a second Golden Globe nomination. Gibson also wrote and performed several songs for the film, which allowed him to share a Grammy Award nomination for Album of Best Original Score Written for a Motion Picture or Television Series. That's so cool.

1:13:34 Henry Gibson not only an actor, but an amazing musician. He was in a bunch of other films too. You can go check out his IMDb. I probably know him best, honestly, from National Lampoon's Vacation. He was in that movie, which is one of my favorite movies of all time. It's so funny. I mean, I must say that I put Christmas Vacation slightly higher, but that's only because it becomes a year tradition to watch that thing. So Henry Gibson, we lost him back in two thousand and nine at the age of seventy three years old. Happy birthday to Henry, and last but not least, on our remembrance list, we say happy birthday this week to Robert Herron, the Hollywood stuntman and actor. He worked as a stunt double for Jeffrey Hunter on that original TOS pilot. The Cage. He also appeared uncredited as a USS Enterprise crew member named Sam in the episode Charlie X. He later played the ex Caliban recreation of the legendary Kls, The Unforgettable and The Savage Curtains. So that's not one, not two, but three star trek credits to his name. As an actor, Heron had small roles in a number of films, including Gun Fury from nineteen fifty three movie movie from nineteen seventy eight, City Heat. He also appeared in Stanley Kramer's The Domino Principle, which featured Majel Barrett. But Heron was a stuntman first and an actor second. So we appreciate

1:15:05 you falling and hitting yourself and running into things. Robert har You're amazing. We lost you all the way back in twenty twenty one, but you, my good friend, lived to be ninety seven years old, and I only hope that I can get two thirds of the way there myself. Happy birthday to you, and that does it for our remembrances this week. So I'm going to pass this flaming birthday candle over to my good friend Charles. Oh, thank you. Eric. Let's start off with a happy birthday to Carolyn McCormick, actress who played Minuet in TNG's first season episode one one zero zero one zero zero one and also played Minuet Riker four in the in the fourth season episode Future Imperfect.

1:16:03 So I realized that she had a last name. I just knew her as Minuet, But did she really have a Riker last. Name because she was supposed to be Riker's wife. Yeah, but it was. Yeah, it was created by that little alien boy that was lonely, and he made it into like this this romulent takeover. It was like it was like a scenario within a scenario, and he created these videos. Yeah, and so that's when Riker knew, wait a minute, this isn't real, because he knew that min wasn't real. So yeah, wow, was convoluted.

1:16:43 But yeah, you've got the encyclopedic remembrance of these times. I don't know. Yeah, something there's pills for that. I don't know. No, it don't take You've probably taken too much tile at all. That. Yeah, I was born before that even came out. What the heck is? I know? Hell is my excuse? What do they say? You know, my mother didn't love me enough. I don't know. I don't know that's inanity anyway. Sorry, can we say? Can we say how fabulous Quirk looked as Lumba in profit in lace when Nolva the hot.

1:17:31 Outfit. I would I would, I would, I. Would play that outfit. I would cause play that outfit. That was fantastic anyway. Sorry, we digress, We digress. Sorry, Okay, continuing. On, I'll just say that I really want to hang out in person with you. Yeah, don't I want to hang out with all of you because I think it would just be just you know, hilarity would ensue. Seven of nine fun will now comment. Well, maybe we'll all have to hit down to Star Trek Las Vegas and see if we can get a Trek talking table.

1:18:16 That would be great. When is that again? That's next August? But I wouldn't hold August because next August is Star Trek sixtieth. Yeah, it's gonna be a big con. It's not gonna be easy getting tables if you don't get them now, and they're not cheap. Thinking of birthdays and are some of our favorite episodes, Happy birthday to all this Hope actress who played Craft in Star Treks Treks Short Trek episode Calypso. Excellent episode.

1:19:00 Have to see that, and I think we understand that episode a lot better now with Discovery coming to the conclusion what happened? Happy Birthday to Robin Gammel, actress who played Marik and TG's seven season episode attached Happy Birthday to Dan gene Note, actress who played George Samuel Kirk in Star Trek Exchange New Worlds. Great to having Dan in there. We love having Sam in the show. There's been way more Sam Kirk than I expected in this show, and I do not hate that at all.

1:19:45 I think Sam is awesome. He's a great character, and he's he's kind of like always there somehow, and I'm not even really clear on what all of his skills are, but I thin feel like he knows a lot about a lot. He has a great mustache, and. He has a great mustache. It does look like hair. He's got the dash, Yeah he does. He's got the Pike's hair equivalent of a mustache. He totally does. He looks like, uh like, was it John Oates from Holland Oates? Yeah, those of you who get that. Hair, Yeah, I mean I mean yeah, I mean, I see I see Jim Carrey in Paul Wesley, So why not the Hallan Oates thing? Sure? Yeah, oh gosh.

1:20:42 And last on my list, Happy birthday to Rosalind Show actress had played Keke O'Brien in TG and d S nine. It was nice to see an attachment from for Miles in that show. It was I feel like Rosalind you, I will admit girl, your character could have been used a little bit better. I feel like I wanted Akeko O'Brien like side show or something, because there was some depth there that wasn't explored with your character that I think could. Have been episodes.

1:21:23 Yeah, you know, good ones. You know what we need Eric we need as the lawyer and Keiko as her her uh you know yeah, her administrative assistance. It does all the paperwork and stuff for I feel like. You know, it could be a one two punch you know Bytha Cako lawyer team, right, Yeah, like wanted like good cop, bad cop kind of thing, like I'm saying exactly like. That of the same wavelength. And not Meg Ryan. What's her? Meg Foster? Was I forget the character's name that almost killed Jake Cisco by being amused, but she sucked like all his life force.

1:22:10 She lived off his life force, so to speak. So that was. On an ayah something something like that, like a vampire, like a psychic vampire. Yeah. Yeah, so well, we had so much fun with my birthdays. Let's see how much fun we have these birthdays. Okay, I guess I'm taking Paul's birthdays. Yes, okay, all right, I'm Paul now okay, And can I say that I have seen too many things, and I must admit I sort of bought into it a little bit with all the people that got annoyed by Keiko because she could be annoying. But when you think about it, I believe that Miles and Keiko were the only successful couple in you know, any of the Star Trek that I can remember, because everybody else had, you know, things happen. You know, poor Warf just kept on, uh, you know, losing his yah.

1:23:19 So anyway, no, you're you're You're totally right. And the other thing that I will just like very quickly digress on Keiko about is that the reason that I say that I think Keiko was underdeveloped is that many of the episodes that she was written into were written by men who I think specifically wrote her as the annoying wife character. And that is no fault of the actress, right, That is always the fault of the actual writers themselves. So I feel like, you know, Rosly and Chow actually had the opportunity to to be more than the Keko Oprah, which is why I would love to see more of her in the future.

1:24:02 Oh yeah, I know, definitely, And she's just in everything else. She is a an excellent actress. So anyway, I came to to really enjoy watching her as Keko. All right, well let's get to Let's see Suzanne Wasson, actress who played late Leaf Left Sorry Less in the TS first season episode Dagger of the Mind. Next, Victor Brandt, who appears in the TOS episode The Way to Eden, one of my favorites because it's so groovy. Tongo read and he was in a line of troyas as Watson. Next, I had to read this twice, but then I understood what this was, what this role was. Anyway. Leonard Crowfoot is the actor who portrayed Trent in the TG episode Angel One and when it said lol and TG the offspring, he was the non the the generic generic wall like that's right, and trying to pick who they wanted.

1:25:20 To actually picks. Yeah, and uh the Komar dignitary in Voyager Virtuoso next Sierra Picture retired actress who played Tapel and Selloch in the TG fourth season episode Data's day, Data, Data, what's the difference? What is my name? They? Did you see my comment on that post? I didn't. Sorry, this is. Like a little bit meta here, people, but like there was a post on by Jim on the Facebook page today Pulaski's dated Data, what's the difference? It was. It was literally posted like an hour before this show. And my comment and my comment on that was, of course everybody knows who listens to the show that I'm a big Pulaski, Okay. And my comment on that was the fact that I love the fact that she actually grows through the episode. She actually her character development is immense during one episode, right, So she starts like what's the big deal? Like I'm calling him Data, what's the different And by the end she's drinking cling on team right.

1:26:31 Yeah, talk about an actress who kind of got a raw deal in that whole thing, because we know what happened with Gates McFadden and then she's brought in and even to this day, I saw a recent interview where she will not speak to her experience. She's not going to say anything that's that's pure class to not, you know, trash talk her experience. So hats off to her. Let's see where we Caroline Lagerfeldt, who played mock Bar in DS nine second season episode Tribunal. Then gosh, I hope I don't mangle this. You tied. Sorry, I'm my apologies.

1:27:18 But Badaki, actress who played Nero Catool in the Strange New World second season episode ad Astra per Aspera, I said that, okay? Cool? Then last, but not least, rosalind Ingeldew, who played Yanar in TNG second season episode The Outrageous o'conna, which was a interesting episode. All right, onto uncle Jim. Well, thank you so much. Me. I like to save the Klingons for last, But I gotta say, we just talked to the most badass.

1:28:00 Know how can you possibly top that? Well? I only have two birthdays. One of them isn't a Klingon. We want to say happy birthday to Jason Alexander television film and stage actor who voiced nom a Starter, Prodigy and Curos on Voyagers episode The Think Tank. If you guys remember Prodigy, he was that annoying tell right character who really like to bash heads with the Andoran what was his name? Eric? Oh? Did? It was started with a tea. I can't remember it. But here's what I'll say, Jim, you see teller rights as annoying, but a tellwright might have seen him as actually kind of liberal, like he actually sort of gets along with humans, and Andoran's a little bit better than most tell rights do I think?

1:28:55 Yeah? He Actually, you're right, he did. He did. He Let's be let's be honest. Tell rights for humans are hard to get along with. They're still a tell right, but you know. Well they they just love to argue. That's their thing, and they will challenge you on every single thing that's part of their culture. And if you come to their table and sort of understand that and argue with them, then you can be friends with a tellwright. But if if you don't, then you're just gonna think theyre annoying. Right, I'll be prepared. Yeah, that's right, And actually I do have a kling on on my list. We want to say happy birthday and copy nah to Chris Obi. Now is it Obi?

1:29:43 Is it Obi wan Kenobi? Or is it Obi? Sounds cool? I'm going to go I'm pretty sure it's Obi. Yeah, I want to go with Obi. He's the actor who played to Kubma in the first two episodes of Star Trek Discovery, The Vulcan Hello and the Battle at the Binary Stars. And I just got to say, as a Klingon fan, I absolutely loved what they did with the Klingons on Star Trek Discovery. I thought it was awesome. I thought it was great to see the Klingons truly alien and not just some dude with a handlebar mustache and shoe polish on their face, but truly truly Aliens. So something they do discuss with outsiders.

1:30:23 Yeah, something they discussed with outsiders yep. And so I thought that was great. And I also liked the way if you guys remember when I don't know if they kept that, but when it first aired, when it way back when it was CBS All Access, before it was Paramount Plus. And when he's speaking, he speaks in Klingon and you can actually set your Netflix to Klingon so the. Well, they naturally showed the subtitles in Klingon to start with yeah. Which was really cool. Yeah, So I thought that. Was and I think I'm going to try that dual lingo, and I think I'm going to see if I can learn Klingon because I forgot that they had that on there.

1:31:06 But du a lingo, you can learn Clingon. Yep, they do, so they do. And he was a great Klingon. I love that whole religious aspect and the whole thing. So congratulations to him on creating a great character. And that, my friends, wraps up our Star Trek birthdays. And now it's time for some Star Trek news. Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on Secure channel. Incoming transmission enter authorization code, command codes verified. Define parameters of program. Level nine, authorization. Required, specifying parameters.

1:31:47 Transfer updata is complete. A blank alert, black alert. All right, Eric, I guess you got the first story. Well this is, of course our second, our favorite segment called Shatner says wo. But before I start the Shatner says Wood, which is very exciting. This week, I'll just say we did have a little scare. I believe it was yesterday that happened with mister William Shatner. He had a little blood sugar issue, had to go to the hospital for that. And I'll say, even though we have a lot of fun with you, sir, because you say some crazy stuff, sometimes, we are very happy that you are still with us and very happy that your experience at the hospital just went very smoothly and that you continue to propagate the ability to just you know, give us more content for Shatner says, So, I'll just say, super happy that you're still with us, sir. However, let's just say that William Shatner has revealed a shocking secret behind his Star Trek career. Shatner, who went on after the television show to reprise his Kirk role in seven Star Trek feature films culminating with Kirk's death in nineteen ninety four's Star Trek Generations, recently opened up about how it was during the beginning of his Trek career. The Emmy winning Shatner, now ninety four years old, candidly revealed that he didn't earn even one cent from Star Trek reruns,

1:33:18 even though the series has been in constant syndication for decades. Star Trek. On September eighth, celebrated the fifty ninth anniversary of the premiere of the first episode of the series. Nobody Knew about reruns, Shatner explained Star Trek's original run on NBC lasted just three seasons. He said the concept of syndication only came in after a Star Trek was canceled when someone from the union said, wait a minute, you're replaying all those films, those shows, Shatner said. He continued that the controversy surrounding Star Trek's moved to syndication culminated in a big strike, Shatner added, but in the end, the union secured residual fees shortly after Star Trek finished, so I didn't benefit. This isn't the first time Shatner opened up about not getting paid royalties for his time on TOS. As far back as twenty twenty, the actor took to x of Course known as Twitter back then to say anything before nineteen seventy three that includes the original Star Trek series doesn't pay a cent in royalties.

1:34:22 So please don't think you own me, you owe me, you own me, or I owe you something for watching. It doesn't work like that. As for whether Shatner would ever return to the Star Trek franchise, the actor, who still makes his rounds on the Star Trek convention circuit, has given mixed messages. In May twenty twenty four, The New York Post asked him what it would take for him to return to the world of Trek, and he simply replied an injection of speed or something. But in February twenty twenty five, Shatner had a different answer when asked if he would ever boldly go on to another Star Trek adventure. Speaking during a panel at Fan Expo Vancouver, Shatner revealed that he had been in talks with a writer on one of Paramount Plus's in development Star Trek shows about returning to the franchise. He said, I've been asked to come back as Kirk so many times. He said at that time, if Kirk is going to come back, it has to mean something. It has to be the show.

1:35:24 So I'll tell you, and I always like to mention this anytime we talk about Kirk sort of coming back. If you haven't read his book, his Star Trek book, The Return, he used to check it out just to know what happens. I'm not going to tell you that it's an amazing book, but it does talk about like what if Kirk didn't die in generations, what if he came back, How would he possibly come back? Would there be certain technologies involved? So yeah, I you know, one thing that really sucks about this story that I think is clear is that back in the sixties and seventies, man, the big companies were out to exploit as many actors as they possibly could, and they gave them crappy contracts and agents didn't really know what they were talking about.

1:36:16 I always think about that show mad Men, you know, with like people like just smoking in CD rooms all the time and nobody really getting what they really deserve in the end. So I don't poo poo at all the fact that Shatner didn't make anything off of all of the syndication. I mean literally, the only reason I know about Star Trek is two reasons. One because it was syndicated on television, and two because my local library owned sixteen millimeter prints of certain episodes that I saw when I was a child, So you know, he should have made money off of those, there's no question, you know. But then the question always comes, would you like to see would you, as a Star Trek fan, like to see James C. Kirk come back, and would you like to see it played him played by mister Shatner. I don't know. I'll leave that up to you. I think it's a rhetorical question. But I'm happy to read this story and hear what mister Shatner has to say about the shocking secret behind his career.

1:37:20 Well, I have a story, as I always do, to stare about mister Shatner, way way way back in the day. For a long time he wasn't doing Star Trek conventions because he was pissed off and thought he didn't know us anything. And he did a. Convention down in New York City, and I said to my wife, we got to go down and meet Captain Kirk. He's going to be in New York City. Let's go. So we made the trek to New York and we go into the convention. And back then, you paid to get into the convention and you got an autograph. You didn't have to pay extra for everything. It was included in your price. I know I'm old, but that's the way it used to be. And so we waited online for hours to get up to the table, and I had my picture of Captain Kirk from TOS. He refused to sign it. And the reason he cited that he wouldn't sign it is exactly what this article is about.

1:38:17 He didn't get any residuals for that photo, therefore he wouldn't sign it. And well, but here's a picture of me and my horse in Kentucky. I'm like, I don't want to picture of you with your horse. I want a picture of you was Captain Kirk. And he wouldn't sign it. He wouldn't sign and I was I was like, wow, what a dink, you know, So I wasn't impressed at that, you know, back then with that and then that's a true story. And another true story to piggyback on top of that one is in nineteen ninety one, I did a Star Trek convention in upstate New York and our local Fox affiliate, which was airing TG at the time, went to sarah Tooga Racetrack and Shatner was racing one of his horses there and as I just told you, Shantner wouldn't sign Star Trek photos. Well, somehow the station got him to sign a black and white promo picture of Captain Kirk holding up the Enterprise, which I know you guys have seen. I think it was on the cover of the TV Guide at one point maybe, and he signed it for the TV station to give to us for our charity auction. And I held that as the last item because I thought, oh my god, here we got Shatner's signature on a Star Trek photo. He doesn't sign Star Trek photos. We're gonna raise a lot of money for our charity. So my my auctioneer puts it up there on the table. Started at fifty dollars, no bytes, forty no bytes, thirty wow, no byte, funny,

1:39:55 no bites, and so he went to ten and we got a bid and we ended up getting twelve dollars for the William Shatner autographed Star Trek photo. It was the lowest, lowest item that we sold, and here I thought it was going to be the biggest and it was literally so two true stories about William Shatner and his awful experience with Star Trek. So if I can add a true story at the con the other weekend, he did talk about that when he was up on the stage when I didn't get to ask any questions because he had to tell the story about the eating bad fish and having food poison.

1:40:40 That could have done without that. But the only thing, you know, I don't think any I don't think anybody should own anybody because that's just wrong. But when he said he doesn't you know he doesn't owe us anything for watching, well he he kind of does, because if he hadn't been Kirk. And I know he had a dry spell after that for a while, but today he's like traveling all over the world, going to space. He's got, you know, this fantastic horse farm in Kentucky. So in a way that I mean, he watched and he's gotten money since then. You know, he directed some no name, you know movie a couple of years ago, one of.

1:41:31 The best Star Trek films. Ever. Yeah, no, I couldn't. I couldn't resist. So so in that way, I have to I have to respectfully disagree with him. But what he said, though, if he's been asked to come back, I hair terrible echo. I have to totally agree with him. If Kirk is going to come back, it has to mean something, it has to be the show. So with that I totally agree. It can't just be you know what is gratuitous. Well, in Shatner's defense, I have to say the way conventions are run today, if you're willing to pay, he'll sign.

1:42:17 Any Oh yeah, he will. You know, whatever you put in front of him. You you plunk down your hundred bucks, you will sign. Did anybody ever see him when he was on I saw it when it was Live Saturday Night Live years ago, and he played himself at a convention. You could probably look it up on YouTube William Shatner as himself on SNL, And I'm sure there was a little more truth to his response to the fans, you know, the actors and the audience. It's like basically telling them, you know, what are you doing here? You know, get a life points to I think John all of it says you have never kissed a girl, and he just looks down in shame.

1:43:05 So that was that was hilarious. I think there was probably a little more, you know, he probably wouldn't admit it, but a little more you know, reality to that scene than probably I don't know, But if you have a chance to watch it, do it. It's it's really pretty funny. I believe. I think we actually played that on the podcast at one point, because there's a lot of fans that have never seen that, because they weren't born in nineteen eighty six when that came out. So we pull it out and I'll blow the dust off and play it every once in a while, just you know, Well, Charles, Charles, you've got our next story, which is actually a little bit well not too badly dated, but you've got our next story.

1:43:48 Okay. Church September twenty fourth a great day for Captain Kirk fans. Star Trek fans are currently waiting eagerly for the anticipation to release it. I need to publishing Star Trek The Last Starship Number One. It is set to take place during the most infinite event in the franchise's history, the Burn, which is nearly marked up, marked up, the end of the Federation United Federation of Planets and everything that Starfleet fought to protect. Star Trek the Lost Starship number one is currently stated to arrive and did arrive on September twenty fourth. The official synopsis for Star Trek Last Starship Number One reads for seven centuries, the yearned Federation of Planet brought together the entire Then, in one terrible moment, it all crumbled in an event known as the Burn.

1:44:46 Galaxy wide disasteris event which dilithium has gone inert, causing the detonation of every active Work Corps. The wayship remaining is a hacked slash starship Omega Enterprise Omega and it's ragtag crew facing the true wild Western Space. The crew will need to make use of what few reasons they have uploads Starfleet's mission of unity across the universe, and Captain work will Captain Kirk will have to face a future without a federation he loves so dearly. Stir Trek, the last starship. I just want several new Star Trek comic books being released by IEW Publishing this year. Just quick summary is some of the other ones include Star Trek, Red Shirts, Star Trek Voyage or Homecoming, Strange New Worlds, The Seeds of Salvation, and that's it for so far.

1:45:52 We've got quite a few active comics coming out right now. Hopefully the Voyager one will get a little little better. I thought that was a little bit a little bit much for that first step issue, and Red Shirts was not quite what I expected, but I'm sure that. The line. Yeah, we'll get around to that for sure, And I have the last story here for the night. We're gonna go right back to. The Klingon theme. I only had one Klingon in. My birthdays, but we had a hell of a badass Klingon on the podcast for you guys tonight. So we started with a Klingon and we're gonna end with a Klingon.

1:46:39 Klingon next Door is a hilarious look at Star Trek's angriest aliens. What do they do in their downtime? And there's the cover of the book right there. I'm gonna have to pick it up because it looks it looks interesting. Titan Books hardcover cartoon collection makes you see militant Klingons in a whole new light. Klingons aren't exactly the most friendly bunch of battle tested aliens inhabiting the Star Trek universe, but seeing them in more casual, domestic situations, relaxing under the mundane circumstances should bring a smile to all of our geeky faces. As initially presented in the first season of Geen Rodenbery's Star Trek original series in nineteen sixty six, these war mongering humanoids were supposed to be a not so subtle sci fi reflection of the Soviet era Cold War Russian adversaries residing on their home planet of Kronos and acting hostile to the Federation. Now, a whimsical new hardcover book from author Joey Spiddow, titled Klingon next Door Off Duty in the Warriors' Way, aims to show the lighter side of these aggressive beings, showing what they get up showing when they excuse me, Showing what they get up to when they're not piloning their birds of prey, firing on innocent star Fleet vessels, and creating a turbulent political crisis, or to No normal task is ignored in

1:48:13 this quirky surprise, whether they're doing a spot of cooking, playing competitive sports, or just grocery shopping. Fans of the Star Trek Lower Decks will discover how an honorable warrior might take on the epic challenges of day to day home life, and this funny collection of colorful vignettes Star Trek Klingon next Door Off Duty The Warrior's Way is currently available for sixteen ninety. Five at Amazon. I'm going to have to pick me too. And I was today years old when I learned, and it's like it was so obvious that the original Klingons were his Star Trek was so you know about current issues.

1:48:57 But yeah, so we had air Cold War Russian adversaries. Yeah, the funny thing. The funny thing is about the planet of Kronos. At work here, our app that we clock in and out of and have our work, you know, vacation time and all, that is also called Kronos. So now it's like, yeah, I'm dealing with the home planet of the Klingons, which can be and it can be kind of adversarial. Yeah, so it's it's perfect. The planet of the Klingons. I love it planet all right. God, well, believe it or not, we made it through the whole show. Next week we're going to be talking about con SETI Alpha five, Episode one, Paradise. I've got some trivia questions, We've got some poll questions all lined up, as well as fan shout outs and our Star Trek birthdays and our Star Trek news, so you tune in next week for that.

1:50:00 I just got to say thank you so much to Christine Horn. I thought I thought she was phenomenal. She was a lot of fun to talk to and I think that I think she enjoyed talking to. Us as much as we enjoy talking to her, and that's refreshing. So thank you so much Christine for coming on the podcast. It was great, absolutely great, And before we go, I want to say thank you so much to Paul for hanging out and trek talking with us. He had to run, but thank you so much, Paul. Thank you so much to Eric as well for hanging out and trek talking with us. Thank you, Eric, you Bet, thank you all. And thank you to V for hanging out in trek talking with us as well. Thank you, Thank you V and Moopsie and Whoopsie. And thank you so much to David for hanging out with us and making these awesome podcasts come to life.

1:50:51 Thank you David. Yeah, it's been a lot of fun. I enjoyed it. And of course thank you to Charles for hanging out in trek talking with us as well. Thank you, Charles. Always fun, always great interviews. A lot of fun. And I've got some more in the works. I'll let you guys know as they develop. One of them, of course, is Adam Nimoy. The son of Leonard Nimoy. That's looking to be in October, so I'll keep you guys posted. All right, I'm your most excellent host, Uncle Jim, saying, everybody please remember just stay safe and be good to each other. And Star Trek fans are the best fans. Hailing frequencies are closed. Everybody, good night, good.

1:51:34 Night, night, live long and prosper. I say, ready for departure, sir, some problem, right, I'm just hoping this isn't the usual way our missions will go. Said, oh, no, number one. Actually, most will be much more interesting. Let's see what's on there. I guess not really. I the personal