Episode 650 SNW Doubleplay "Through the Lens of Time"/ "The Sehlat Who Ate Its Own Tail" discussion

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1:24 Well, good evening Trekkies and Trekkers around the globe. But it's Thursday, August twenty first, twenty twenty five. Welcome to episode six hundred and fifty of Trek Talk and Hard to Believe. I'm your most excellent hosts, Uncle Jim, Welcome to the show. Before we go too far, I'd like to introduce my awesome trek sperts. And let's start out in Portland with Paul the toy guy. How you doing, Paul? You did? Paul's doing really good? Oh no, there he is? How technologically ineptive me So I'm terrible terrible to have that happen, No, doing well. It's it's been an okay week, bracing ourselves for yet another end of summer heat wave here which I will be disdaining as much as possible, but doing all right.

2:12 Good, good to hear it. And also from Portland we have Eric. How you doing? Eric? Well, let's just say Jim that tonight's podcast will decidedly be the best part of my day. Well, it is Friday's eve, so yep, that's true. And not from Portland but from Virginia, we have V. How you doing tonight? V doing great? We've got the. Coastal flood warnings because of the hurricane, but I think we'll be all right. Maybe get some rain, a little bit of rain. Our miracle all right, a miracle worker himself, David, the guy who makes all this possible. He is from Portland as well. Welcome to the show. How you doing, David?

2:59 How much? Switching over the star wars. You trader? Nothing wrong with that? And not from Portland but from Las Vegas. We have Charles with us tonight. How are you doing tonight? Charles? And they're hanging in there, busy week at school and we are getting the heat wave that Portland might be enjoying next week. A little heat wave is good. I have a feeling that when winter gets here and we got eight feet of snow and it's twenty two blow zero, you'll be begging for a little bit of heat. No, I guess it's all relative. No, I'm not gonna be one degrees. Yeah. I wouldn't bet on that, buddy. I I prefer the Arctic conditions like the cold. Listen, I don't want the freaking heat.

3:46 Yes, well, I'm with you on that. Not my jam No. So uh, you guys can head over to patreon dot com back slash Truck Talking podcast and become a patron over there for only two dollars. We'd appreciate it keeps the podcast going. If you can also head over to Trek Talking dot com make a one time donation through PayPal if you would like to, And we have a great show for you guys tonight because I was on vacation last week. We're gonna not cover one, but two episodes of Strange New Worlds. It's a double play of Star Trek tonight, so we have a lot to talk about. We also have our fans shout out, so that's where we go around the globe and thank people just like you right there for supporting our podcast and listening to it.

4:32 We also have a couple of Star Trek polls tonight. One of them is Evil Real I wonder what our fans thought and ensign Dana Gable. He's not a red Shirt, but he was treated like one. We're going to see what you guys thought about that in our polls. And what Star Trek actor do you share a birthday with. We're not actually gonna do birthdays this week because we have two episodes, but I think it's important to do our remembrances, so we're going to have Eric do some remembrances for this week, and that is going to be our podcast. You can head over to Trek Talking dot com look for the Livelong and Prosper at the top of the page and tell us where you are listening from.

5:14 Look for a heart next to your name from yours truly, Uncle Jim. And we've lots of emojis. Emojis get my attention and you'll probably get picked if you leave some emojis. So Eric, you want to get us started off with our fans shout outs for tonight. Sure, do our first fan shout out this week goes over to a place that I think is probably responsible for most of our fan shout outs. We have a lot of support over there in the UK, and we're saying hello this week to Tim ayer Swain, who hails from Sheffield. Thanks Tim for listening to our podcast and for supporting us on the internet. It makes us feel seen. Really appreciate it. Also saying hello this week to Alex Patnick, who is from Israel and says, l LAP. I think everybody on this podcast news what that means. L LAP right back to you, Alex, and can I follow that up with a piece and long life. Also saying hello this week to Peter Stringer, who hails from Hamilton in New Zealand, way way way on that other side of the planet. Really appreciate your support, Peter. I always wanted to visit New Zealand. I hope to make it there one of these days. And speaking of New Zealand in that general area of the world, we'd also like to say hello to Leoni Radford, who says that they're from Australia.

6:28 Big country, could be anywhere, Leoni, maybe you live everywhere and that does it for my shout outs, Charles, who would you like to say hello to? Oh, let's start off with a warrant greeting to Teresa Grigo from Marysville, Washington, north of Seattle. I'll be near your area the Woods treesa next week. Welcome to Chris Lupeky from southern Oregon checking in with the A. Yeah, live long and prosper Joe Joe Torelli from Philly, Pennsylvania.

7:10 Welcome Joe. And Doc Wayson from Rocket City aka Huntsville, Alabama. Welcome Doc. The who's on your list? Well, I have first off Mike Campbell, who says I live on the outer banks of North Carolina in Kildevil Hill. So hope you're doing all right there, Mike with the hurricane Aaron that you're safe out there. And next Tory Parker from Stockton, California. Then Susie Coon says I am from California originally, but now I am a resident of Virginia the last twenty years. Well, I'm with you here in Virginia. I don't know where you are, but yeah, we're not that big, but big enough. Then last, but certainly not least, Alana white Star from Columbia, Maryland, and she says it's between Baltimore and Washington, DC. All right, onto you, Paul, Thank Youve.

8:20 First of all, let's head over to Slovakia and say hello to our friend Katerina dr Konska, a Star Trek fan from Slovakia whose TV hero is John luc Picard. Many thumbs up in favor of Jean Luke from Katerina. Great to hear from you, Katerina. I hope that the summer is treating you well. We have also felicitations from Costa Rica, land of Pora Vida, and our friend Maryland Calderon, mora phenomenal country. I was fortunate enough to be able to visit there myself a couple of years ago, and it is spectacular. A lot of expats moving down there and leaving the United States behind. I can see why.

9:04 Pretty spectacular part of the world, though, and so good for you hanging your hat there, and it sounds like you're still able to partake of Star Trek even in those southern climes, so that's pretty fantastic. Going back over to the continent there, Sasa Stimak from Croatia is whipping out the Bulcan greedom to us there Sassia. Great to hear from you, and over in Italia. Where a lot of us are very fond. We have a friend, Francesco Frascati from Prato in Tuscany, saying, live long and prosper Prato is a municipality, it's not that far from Florence, very famous since medieval times for emphasis of textile production, big influence in the world of fashion.

9:50 So as you can see, there are all kinds of diverse folks all across the globe who share the wonderful commonality of their united enthusiasm for Star Trek. And I think even Jim knows a few. Is that true, Uncle Jim, do you know some Star Trek fans? I absolutely do. We want to say, first and foremost, thank you so much to Debbie Elmore Creek, who's listening to us in Arkansas right now. Thank you, Debbie. I have a top fan, Dan Boyle in North Providence, Rhode Island. Thank you so much. To Dan, and another top fan, Mary Stefan from Pennsylvania, Thank you so much. And last but not least, Mary el Silva, who's listening to us in Florida. Once again, if you guys would like to be mentioned on a fan shout out. Head over to Trek Talking and Beyond on Facebook look for to Live Long and Prosper. Tell us where you're from, and maybe send us a picture so you can be up there like Paul right now with that good looking kling on.

10:48 You can send us your pictures. There's me and my daughter Jamie at Trek Conderoga a couple of years ago, and your picture will be right up there with all of the rest. So please do that, all right, guys up our fans shout outs, and now time for our Star Trek polls, which can only mean one thing. Eric Lin Lin Lin you know me like no Win what you thought about the show. Then we try to share your opinions with all of our minions out there because they listen worldwide. So tell us just what you think.

11:36 Get together we will alter Canara and robilin an. Excellent song. I love it every time I hear it at any rate. Why you guys are over at Trek Talking and Beyond on Facebook telling us where you hail from. You can also take place in our polls. Every week I put up a couple of different questions and we ask you guys what you thought, so, David roll the tape for our first one. Good gila, All right there for that, David one, good questions, Eric.

12:28 Thanks for my reliving my PTSD there. I appreciate that. Were you surprised when we lost Ensign Dana Gamble played by Chris Meyer on his first away mission, and of course he doesn't die in that scene, but he dies later, which is lots of fun. Hell. Yes, ninety percent of our responders said they were surprised when we lost him on his first away mission, and only ten percent said they saw it come in. So what do we all think? Did y'all see it come in or was it a surprise? Well, before we go too far, I have spoken with Chris Myers, and he's going to come on this podcast too long from now, so you guys will have an opportunity to ask him about that in person. So keep an eye on our Facebook page. I'll get that posted as soon as I confirm with his publicist. But you know, I was surprised, but I also wasn't because one of my problems is it was very trophy when they when they follow a character around and they focus on a character and he's like, oh, it was my first enterprise, I love it here, and then they kill that character very trophy, I was. I was surprised that they did, especially when I was going to have him on the podcast and now he was dead. But at any rate, I was surprised by it myself. How about you, Paul, Yeah, I didn't really see it coming.

13:57 I thought, you know, it's just you know, because because I'm keep laboring under the misapprehension the chapel is going to go away for a while and some extended tour of duty with the uh this, you know, their core big talent, and so I thought, oh, this will be like the replacement, right because you know, junior medical officer and new character. You know, it's uh and it's it's a real uh horror movie. Uh. We were talking about tropes, Jim. It's a real horror movie cliche. I wouldn't even call it a trope. It's like a cliche hopefully have grown where you killed the black guy in the horror movie. And I'm really surprised that they went for that. I was just like, that's you know, kind of I thought, you know, we're always talking about evolving tost our shortcomings, and that's kind of a shortcoming, So I was a little surprised that they would go down that road. I'd be really curious to hear if we are in fact able to get Chris Meyer on the show. I'd like to love to get his tack on that, because you.

14:57 See that definitely wants to come on the show. It's just, yeah, he's going to be here a horror movie. They did kill the blue guy, though, well there is the blue The blue guy got disintegrated when he ran at the door. He killed the blue guy. But yeah, I was a little surprised to see that that's the direction they went. But you know, we'll chat about that more. We'll eat dissect the episode. Absolutely, we will for sure. How about you, David, were you surprised to see Ends and Gable bite the dust? Yeah? I was actually thought he was going to get healed, because when he was in the trio getting his eyes regenerated, I thought they were going to bring him back and everything.

15:40 For some other reason. When they put the glasses on, I was like, wait a minute, it's just a relative of Judy LaForge. So I was like maybe, but yeah, I was surprised. But and what about you, Charles, did you see it coming. No, did not see it coming. I thought the way they were kind of building up on that character, he's going to be a new reoccurring character. Didn't expect them to kind of send him off. Though. Is he really gone? I guess we'll have to talk about that. Yeah, when he comes back on the podcast, we can ask him. And it looks like we lost V, so we'll move on to our second. No, we got V back.

16:23 There she is V. Yes, yeah, I had great I had great Internet, and then the last couple of days it's been crapping out on me. So anyway, Yes, So. Were you surprised to see Ensign Gable bite the dust on his very first away team. Yes, I was, because he was just adorable and so eager. I guess he was asking for it because he was so so sweet and earnest, But I was upset for and Benga, who looked upon him like, you know he I could tell that he was really sort of enamored with this young man and looking forward to taking him under his wing, so to speak.

17:11 So yeah, I was. I was. I was a little bit shocked, especially the way he. The whole now, the whole storyline that was interesting with the connection, possibly with the Gorn and and all that. But yeah, I was definitely, But. That tracks with you had Bruce Horreck and Hammer died, so now we've got Gamble, So that seems to be a theme. They bite the dust on Pike ships, for sure, don't they. Yep? All right, guys. So that's our first poll question, and we do have another one because these things always travel in pairs. So, David roll the tape, were they evil? Captain?

17:57 I saw the recordings of what Gamble did and the things he said. Good and evil or relative terms on. Nonsense? There is evil in this universe as sure as there is good, sure as there is matter, as sure. As there is light. I know. That b was ancient, my leverent. That desired to my line to pervert and consume giving core pro form. If any of those things.

18:40 Ever escape, that well known mare. Goods And there you have it. So, Eric, what was our poll question? Well, this is a very interesting pole questions. So in the Strange New World's episode Through the Lens of Time, Pelly asserts that the Vesda life form is an example of pure evil. She strongly disagrees with Pike's view that good and evil are relative stating that the vesda's actions clearly demonstrate the existence of true evil. Pelly warns that this entity must be contained and never allowed to escape.

19:21 Do you agree with her? So I'm not sure which one we're asking if they agree if it's the evil part or the should be contained and never allowed to escape. But either way, ninety nine percent of our responders said yes to whichever question we were asking, and one percent said no. For me, if the question is does evil exist, I'm with Pike Man. I think it's all relative. But that's probably an unpopular opinion. So you're you're the one guy that answered no. I mean I would definitely answer that because evil is a definition that we put on certain behaviors that is subjective, and it's subjective relative to your culture. It's subjective relative to your religion, your race, your sex, like just about everything out there plays into definitions of words like good and evil. What is good? Well, I could ask twenty five different people what good means and they would all say something different.

20:29 Right. In fact, I could ask twenty five people is killing somebody evil? And I guarantee a certain handful of people would say, Well, it depends on who the person is right, So I think it's all relative. How about you, v What do you think? Well, yeah, that I think I'm with I'm with Pellia on this one. And I'm finally starting to warm up to the character because she was I don't know, she just stopped. She's been around longer than anybody as we're discovering, and so she knows what I mean. She's seen some stuff, man, So I agree it should sort of like I was thinking about on Next Gen the Skin of Evil with Armis, and it's like how he was the condensation of evil, but then they wound up having to put you know, after he did all those horrible things and killed Yar and whatnot.

21:29 He was never too. They didn't want him to ever escape. So I agree that, you know, some things need to be contained and never never let go, never allowed to escape. How about you, Charles, what do you think? I'm going to kind of agree with Pellya. I think in answering the question that this thing needs to be contained. Yes, I think it does need to be contained because we don't know what these beings are capable of and how dangerous they might be. This was just an example of one, and.

22:10 Even the Blue guy admitted it's evil, and Spot did say that when he looked through the glasses there were thousands of them in that. Well, yeah, lots and lots of them. How about you, David, we're speaking about the pace. Yeah, I agree with Pelia that evil does exist. Good exist whether or not could be dependent on culture, religion or whatnot. But honestly, I have to agree with Pelia that evil does need to be contained because if it gets loose, you know what to stop it. So unless you're talking about if it is a Paula everything you got this select a temple. But still either way, yeah, I would have to agree with Kelly on this one.

23:10 Well, Paul, what do you think? Well, it's not as simple as that. I don't think I think you know. I hear what Eric is saying about it being subjective, but truth being, we are defined. Everything we defined is to be defined by the culture where we find ourselves and where we live. Right, and I mean nature in itself can be just looking at anything in nature, right, you see a crocodile goes up and eats a bird. Is it wilfully killing another life form? Yes it is, but it's also just surviving, right, So it's but within the world of crocodiles, its behavior is normal, right, it's just existing, same with sharks. Right within the world of the bird who's being eaten, then it becomes a different thing. So all we can really do is judge things by the society we live in. In our society, if you and in the Federation society. You know, if we see on the show, right, if you were talking about beings that are wilfully, maliciously harming others, right, doing so with not just for food or survival, but with malicious intent on purpose, knowing that it's causing you know, a horrific evil, then yeah, it's evil, right, I mean, all we can do is judge by the society. What are the barriers and definitions we have in our society?

24:31 Like for me, for example, right, the Holocaust, you know, it's evil. It is evil. There's no justification for that, there's no Oh, well from where they're sitting, they were perfectly No, you're fucking evil and you should die, you know, And if you perpetrate that, there's no excuse for that, because then we're going off the edges of the map and it's terror incognita and you just simply cannot have that if you want a society to be cohesive and hold together, so you have to be able to at some point draw the line we're gonna lose everything, So you know, I mean, I think despite her, you know, history honics, I think that that's what Pella was trying to get. And we'll we'll dig into this, I think more when we talk about the episode natural lot such as it was for the episode, so I think we'll hopefully, you know, have a little bit more chance to explore.

25:23 Well, she she is over five thousand years old, so she's got Yoda beat, so she's she and she she was a roadie for the Dead som and she has an Atari twenty six hundred, so she's been around. She's been around. But yeah, I agree with her. I think I think evil does exist, and evil does need to be contained. It can't be set free to roam the world and do as it pleases. So I'm with Dominions on that one. And that, my friends, wraps up our poll questions for this week. I'll put some more up for next week and go to Talking and Beyond and check it out. And now it's time for our condet training with Charles through the lens of time and take it away. Charles, Okay, thank you, Jim.

26:16 Trying to break down how to do this episode, and I thought possessions, somebody being possessed, and I grabbed just a handful of episodes COS returned to Tomorrow where some of the crew was taken over by other beings. Tng Mask is a good one where data is taken over by a being. TNG's power Play and Voyagers Cathotics all were examples of possessions. Now on Be's comment was rather interesting.

26:58 I windos is curious and typed in a search and did star trek Evil and the first hit I got was Artemis. Of course, DNG's Skin of Evil is definitely an example. DNG's will always have Paris, his data stuck in time and a time continuing where three of them exist. We talk on the episode where where our whole crew members on the on the planet, but they're in different places, but they're still there. Kind of reminded me of that.

27:45 Of course, Gambit mentioned Stranger Worlds the Alethian Alethian Kingdom where Gambit was talking to and Bega about his daughter and TG's times Arrow That to part was a good example of phase variants because they were dealing with two different times. But here are some examples of stuff I pulled off discussing through the Lens of Time. But I wonder what the fans thought about this?

28:30 Yeah, every week on our Facebook page Truck Talking and Beyond, I asked that same question to score the episode on a scale of one to ten and Eric, what did our Facebook fans think about through the Lens of Time? Carol Robin Drescher said ten layered with cannon and science with an extra added creepy Did anyone else feel reminded of the TOS episode with the formless Jack, the ripper entity that thrived on fear very interesting? Vance Major Owen said eight. I think it's my favorite of the season, but overall, I've not been on a rush to watch these episodes this season like I have in the past two.

29:12 Jerry Lee said a nine recognized pieces of another sci fi movie, Disappointed the young Man died. Roy Bassave said ten plus spoiler alert. Indiana Jones the Last Crusade is honored, just saying. Katie m thornken Kinch said I called it from the start, told my hubs what was going to happen and hand out that way. Still loved it though. Eight Kitty is a top fan on our Facebook page. James Yakura said, look, Paramount, just because you're doing horror doesn't mean you have to kill.

29:52 The black guy. Five. Thanks you, James. Susie McGovern so far. I like them all, even the wedding and the musical. Nine. Kathy Cornell said ridiculous two, Richard A. Rivera said one not impressed, and Shannie David said, I it was a genuinely creepy and disconcerting episode, but Pelly is a line at the end killed me, and I love how in the show it is way too easy to ease tension and deliver a funny line. But in character it was here.

30:33 But in character it was here being genuinely disturbed and then recovering and playing it off. I think they're saying that in character, these people took the funny line and played it off. But you know, from an audience perspective, pelly Is line at the end of her amazing speech sort of made the whole thing like comedy. That's my guess. Thanks Shannie. He gave it a nine, so that gives us a fan score of seven. Point one. Seven point one's pretty good. That's very respectable. Now, before we talk about the episode, we're going to have Paul give us a quick rundown. Paul, the mic is yours, Alko Jam. Thanks.

31:17 So we're talking about season three, episode five, Through the Lens of Time, which I don't know is the greatest episode title for what we see happening in terms of the plot, but that's irregardless. Chapel and Krby have been on this quest and they lead the Enterprise to these ancient ruins on this planet that's hiding at a very dark secret. All right. Ensign Dana Gamble is featured a new character we met a couple of episodes ago, played by actor Chris Myers. Chapel and doctor Krby investigate these ancient ruins on Vadia nine, and they discovered this very powerful non corporeal entity called the Vezda, not the Vespa, but the Vezda, which possesses Ensign Gamble. After they're violently blinding him, and the Vesda tries to escape its containment and poses a whole new threat to the Enterprise crew and potentially establishing a recurring enemy in terms of how things are left there. So we're talking about themes of ancient civilizations, superior sinister technologies, and these ancient ruins, which at first we're thinking might be a temple or whatnot, turned out to be the surmises that there was a prison to come contain the VESDA, and then we basically end with this scene that's meant to be quite disturbing, where we see the Enterprise Computer Interface changing languages to I think intimate that the VESDA

32:48 are not defeated but just simply contained and they could pose a threat to re emerge later. So kind of a new villain. I think this is Stranger Worlds trying to get a little deeper into Lovecraftian territory. I would say, not the kind of thing that we've typically seen that much of on Star Trek. I mean, have you ever now? And then I mean that one of our fans referenced the original series episode The Wolf in the Fold, and then Charles mentioned the Aliens and Times era, which is I think another indication though they had their own weird fools that seemed to be borderline evil, So you can get into it a little bit of debate on that.

33:32 This movie episode reminded me a lot of a picture from the late nineties. I'm sure Jim's seen it the Event Horizon. Familiar with that one, Lawrence Fishburne, Sam Neil, but such a good Yeah, very stylistic, but very much kind of dipping a toe into the science fiction end of especially when Pella talks about ancient evil. It's you know, it starts to call to mind like the old ones that not from what are Little Girls made of? But the other old ones, the ones that Lovecraft referred to, the ancient you know, evil entities from the deep bowels of space. So that's kind of where we were going.

34:16 These looked more like parasites though where they were you know, kind of in contained in these like little you know, containment spheres. David mentioned it earlier. Definitely evoked like the pod raiths for me, the idea of some kind of you know, you know, objectively evil life form that's out there that's mostly non corporeal, but as the ability to possess others. So that's basically just lay in the groundwork, friends of what we saw here on this episode. Who's got an enthusiastic take that just won't wait? Well, I think we should have ladies go first and how feminist have you should share her opinion?

35:01 All right, so we blanked out there for a second. What what did what was the question. To share your take on the episode? Oh yeah, well I like to I've been sort of scanning the uh the internet, so to speak, on different pages and forums and whatnot to see what other people think of the episode, and this was like overwhelmingly people were really embracing it, saying it was more of the you know, doing the whole Star Trek mission exploring strange new worlds. Though I would there.

35:42 Were a lot of people who were There were a lot of comments about not liking Corby, and one of them was I had to laugh because it was like ouch, they likened Korby to a room temperature glass of skim milk. Oh, they were not impressed with him, but just the sinister nature of these beings which I keep calling Vespa, you know, which is you know, the evil Italian motor scooters. But when what's her what's her name? Marie sees Gamble and she uh, because she still has you know, has the gorn whatever you know, hybrid stuff inside her, and she just recognizes him and says you and then they just start fighting and beat the crap out of one another.

36:42 So there's there's something between these vesda's and the Gorn. So I thought that was interesting. And do you have any do you have any headcanon on that v on what the the relationship between the wow? I just something that goes back centuries. I don't know. I really didn't didn't have a thought about that other than I just thought it was interesting that she just, you know, recognized I wasn't expecting, you know, the Gorn side of her to come out so so soon, and that when she sees Gamble she recognizes, so the fact that she wants to kill this.

37:26 Being, It's like, so this, are these worse than the Gorn? Which I don't know what. I don't know what we will who knows what we will learn about them if we will see them come back. I don't know a lot of intrigue. I don't know why a couple people thought it was ridiculous or they just rated it so low, because the vast majority of fans out there really enjoyed it. So that's my that's my take. So what would you rate it VI A score? I would I would think I would rat it a good solid eight point five.

38:10 How about that eight point five. That's respectable, very respectable. As far as the Gorn go, Eric, so Pellia, we learn is over five thousand years old, and she knew this evil, she recognized it, and and the way that Patel responded to it, it's obvious that the Gorn also had to run in with these vespass ves you got me, you got me on my spaceballs kick with Princess Vespa. Oh yeah, that's right, that's right, okay, with the Veda. And so that leads me to think that the Gorn themselves must be equally as old if they have this, this this ingrained genetic hatred of the Vezda, and that she's able to recognize the ve this so quickly. So obviously the Vesda fooled around with or tortured the Gorn at some point, kind of like Q likes to do with people, and that might be why she hated him so much and reacted the way she did. I mean, I'm just you know, spitballing here because we really have no information. But she reacted rather negatively, rather quickly, and he retaliated as well. So there's definitely something there, Eric, I just don't know what it might be, but it's it's there for sure. But how about you, David, what did you think about the episode?

39:40 Yeah, so I enjoyed the beginning where they finally were exploring during your world and this word is rather strange. It was mysterious. It was fun all the way up until I got taken out of that guy. I was like, okay that course. So to me, I. It's really interesting that they got some form of backstory with the going in the vest Vegta. To me, this is more of a take of the Benjamin Cisco take on you know, the Celestial Temple and uh, the Pabas, because if the going go back that far five thousand or so years or even further, I mean, the going probably like what you said, Jim, they probably were toistured or something. So to me, I don't really know too much about this where the Star Trek is taking the.

40:47 Go in history. But to me, this seems a lot like they're just copying Deep Base nine. It really is. And so to me, it's okay, It's an interesting thing. I'm curious to see where they go with it, but. I don't know. So there's that I did like that the megastructure that they were in this seems like it went on forever. It's almost felt like another time portal in a sense where you know, they brought people through different dimension or something. So maybe this year is gonna be another episode later on in another season that they might bring back and say, you know, oh, we're gonna need to bring to go and to help us or something. I don't know, but to me, I feel like that this particular episode was fascinating, but it got really boring really quick to me, And so I'm gonna have to give this one a six point eight.

41:55 Give a take six point eight from the Miracle Worker And did you guys notice that the planet looked an awful lot like uh yeah, well yeah, yeah. The Yoda was running around in the background. Did you see him there with his cane? No, I was gonna say where the uh pulsing brain people hang out there? And uh Tallos four from Discovery. Uh, the planet looked an awful lot like the Talas four that they used on Star Trek Discovery. Maybe they filmed it in the same location, but it looked an awful lot like that planet to me. Anyways, what did you think, Charles? Did you like the episode?

42:46 Well? I will jump over to say to Paul his love Craft reference. Oh, by the way, happy birthday to HP Lovecraft. His birthday was yesterday, And I thought that the episode was interesting because I will for to Paul again. He said, but I want them to go to a strange new world. Okay, we got a chance to go to a strange new world. We got to explore. One. An issue that I came up, but I was enjoying was seeing the reactions between Spock and Chapel. S Bock's kind of being more vulcan, a little more cold in trying to distance himself from Chapel and saying, oh, I got safety procedures that I'll be doing. It's like, yes, he'll be staying on board the ships so we can keep his distance. Nope, that didn't quite work. He had to come down. I think there was wondering. It's like, well, why did we need so many crew members down there? Well, I think part of it was they needed to break everybody up in pairs. After we lose two characters, we need to break people up in pairs. They could help solve the mystery to bring them back together. I thought

44:16 that was a creative way of using the floating camera. We had the camera still floating. It's like, well, wait a minute, we're all still here. So the camera sees them, but they are in different locations at the same time. So I thought that was an interesting why I'm putting through people through different phases, just as we've seen Star Trek do before. I thought it interesting the background the screen's changing on the end and kind of giving me the idea I'm not sure Gambit's gone. Gambit as his character might be going, but I gamble, but I'm wondering if he might still be partially out there somewhere that we don't know how far what happened to these creatures.

45:26 But definitely an episode that was good. I thought moved the story along and I will give it a good solid. Now. Did anybody think that the Vesda were the alien from Star Trek five, the best movie ever made? Did anyone else think that? Or just me? Be honest, I think I think your patient's eer of that. Brother, okay, because I was thinking the god creature from Star Trek five was trapped there, and I. Mean, we understand at this point that you see everything through the lens of Star Trek five, so we get it.

46:07 Off, I had to bring that up. I was just wondering, certainly, did was it just me? Or what? Okay? So all right, start trek five aside. I thought it was pretty stupid of Chapel the stick her finger in the in the blood, letting the device there. But I did think it was pretty smart of Gamble to come over and immediately check her to make sure that her blood hadn't been infected or her body hadn't been invaded by any foreign entities, because you would think as a medical professor professional, she would know that being jabbed with sharp's can be a bad thing. But she did it anyways. It was to move the plot along. So there was that. What did you guys think of the McCrone, the blue dude who died like first couple of minutes, pretty neat alien? Huh? I mean, you know, interesting, interesting species.

47:11 I thought it interesting. I thought it interesting. I thought it interesting that the uh, I can't think of the device translator that translates languages did not was not able to translate his language. We're so used to. It was when they were outside, but when they went inside, Ohora had to translate. And I think that was because of the interference that they were getting from the temporal transgressions or whatever. It could have been.

47:53 I thought interesting that Gamble tried to go shake the guy's hand and Corbin's like, no, we don't shake hands. And they never explained why. You guys remember the episode Conspiracy when Ryker and Picard blow up the guy and the little alien squiggles out of his chest and they kill it, and how how upset people were that how violent Star Trek was. Did you guys not think that Gamble's death was like probably one of the most violent deaths we've seen on Star Trek. It was, it was. It was pretty intent, Yeah, it was. I mean I didn't deserve it.

48:34 Yeah, I thought it really. I mean, that was a really horrific scream. I was like, oh my goodness, I could feel a pain. I can feel your pain, like side Box said and Star Trek five, I can feel your pain. Oh. I you know, in that regard, I had to throw that in there because David left himself open for it. I'm sorry I went there. I was just going to say in that regard, I feel like Star Trek Discovery started that ball rolling with that very early season one episode with the Ripper, which was the first, you know, kind of horror based episode in the new Star Trek era. And I think what this is is, like, in my opinion, it's a function of the acceptance of violence in media in the United States. Like, generally speaking, we still think sex is pretty taboo. Where we were working our way out of thinking that things like homosexuality were taboo, but that's probably regressing at this point.

49:44 But violence has never really been taboo at all. And where the country that produces the most violent video games, where the country that produces the most violent television. So, you know, am I surprised by the violence that we see in Star Trek these days? No, not at all. It doesn't even hold a candle to most of the stuff that we see on television on a regular basis these days. Does it mean that I like to see somebody get their eyes blown out by a blowing up entity slash glass ball of whatever, noncoltoreal stuff. No, Like, I personally would rather not see that, but it's the country in which we live, and so it's kind of par for the course, you know.

50:40 And I also think that it shows it shows that what Bone said in Star Trek two thousand and nine. He said something to Kirk about space is death, wrapped in danger, wrapped in whatever whatever, And I think that it just shows an example that going out in the space and exploring is not happy, go lucky fun, that there are there are threats out there and some of them are pretty nasty, like we get to see. So yeah, you know, I didn't want to see Gamble go because I liked them, But you know, we'll ask him about it on the podcast. So how about you, Paul, what would you score this episode? It was? It was all right. I think it started off in a pretty good tone for me, and then when kind of fell into the hole we're trapped inside of a you know, colossal escape room kind of vibe, it started to lose me there and I just found that, you know, it wasn't really claustrophobic.

51:36 Is more tedious to me. Again, losing Gamble was surprising to me. You know, I thought that was you know, I kind of like prefer the nicer like you know, Charles picked up on this, right. I like the character moments that are more interesting to me, and following the characters from episode episode I liked the whole vibe, the you know, the kind of odd, uncomfortable dance between Spock and Uh and Chapel and you know, uh Noonian singing, right. I mean, it's just it's kind of a little awkward workplace romance, kind of no one's saying anything. But there I found that with stuff way more interesting. It's very interesting with the whole Captain Btel thing, with the Gorn.

52:20 I hope we get some answers to that sooner as opposed later. But yet I'm on the other hand, I'm really not looking forward to spending yet another episode with these you know, Venza, Vesna whatever aliens. Right, It's just it's just not very inventive for me and not a very interesting plot. So to me, I was just I found a little tedious. It wasn't so great. Wasn't really super engaged by it. I just don't know the whole Lovecraftian thing is where we're going, uh for Star Trek if that's you know, yes, space is dangerous, But I just whether we're depicting, you know, again with the kind of alien inspired you know, geiger asque, big teeth, you know, parasites.

53:03 I mean, can we get something different, design guys, maybe something a little bit more inventive or I don't know. It just felt really kind of rehashed, not nothing too great, And I'm just I really need to get beyond Roger Corby. He's bringing nothing to the to the proceedings as a performer for me. I'm sure there's some people that really enjoy his work. I just I just don't get anything out of it. I think it's not a really well written character, and he and Chappell have like, I mean, zero charisma together. There is just nothing going on there. It's just like, what are you? Why did you dump Spock for this guy? I mean, maybe that's what they want us to be thinking, to kind of have that perspective, but it's just it's it's not really interesting. So for me, this one left me kind of a little numb. I wasn't thrilled about it. I think the best I can really, in good conscience give it is a seven, and that's being super generous. I mean, I'm really more. I don't do decimals, sorry, because I know what I think. But I if I was in a worser mood, worser, can I say that? Is that? All right? If I was in a less magnanimous mood, I would probably give it a six, and then even that feels generous. But I want to support the show. I want to support them trying different flavors of ice cream. So let's give it a seven. I think feels feels about right for me.

54:30 But let's move on from all this stuff, and you know, especially let's move on from Roger Gorby. So has Chapel. I don't remember, did Chapel go off on her internship with him yet or is that about to happen? Now? They're doing extended research, right, they're doing extended research, Like this is part of it where he's like somehow managed to get himself assigned to the enterprise and they're just jocking around doing things and you know, and he's getting to use the ship's resources. I guess like you would see, uh, you know happen. And so that he's gotten a big Grand Federation grant going to spooky escape room places and reenact the scene from Temple of Doom, like the guy pointed out, which is like, you know, I'm like, you know, we've seen this so many times before. I mean, I just it's like, come on, come on, show me something I've seen before, you know, light me up. So I'm ready.

55:31 I'm I'm ready to move on. From this one. Man. I'm happy to happy to move on. So I think I think that something Paul brought up. I think it was it last week or maybe the week before. Anyway, Paul brought this point up at some point, And I think that Star Treks Strange New World needs to find an identity because right now they seem to be doing you know, style of the week type of stuff, you know, and so one week it's a murder mystery, and the next week it's it's a musical, the next week it's them up. It's always seems to be some some new stylistic take on Star Trek, and I think that they're they're giving lost in trying to be too much for too many people. I think they need to dial it back and let Star Trek be Star Trek. And if a if a great episode comes along, you know, like Bohemian Rhapsody or or these Old Scientists or something like that, then great, do it. But to intentionally go out of their way to do all these different styles and takes on Star Trek, I think they're losing. I think they're missing the boat and they need to let Star Trek be Star Trek in my opinion, So.

56:46 What did you end up giving this episode? Jim? Did you score it? I haven't. I haven't scored it yet at all. I've just kind of been interjecting as we go along. But yeah, so, I you know Eric, why why don't we hear from Eric next? Cool? Yeah? So, I think upon initial viewing, I liked the exploration vibe of this episode, the idea that the entire thing was kind of a mystery that we had to sort of unfold and figure out what was going on. I actually found that to be pretty compelling and a nice counterpoint to some of the previous episodes that we've seen in this season. You know, some of our people who commented on our Facebook page said, you know, thank you for kind of going back to the planet of the Week thing. It's it's cool to have a new thing to explore to figure out what's going on. So I really liked that part of this episode, this exact scenario.

57:44 It's interesting that that so many people are saying things like trope and I've seen this before and stuff. I don't know, it felt it felt fresh and new to me. Maybe I just wasn't thinking hard enough about it or something. I don't know, but I actually thought the story was kind of kind of cool, and at the end we still don't really have resolution of it. And to me, the best episodes of Star Trek are the ones that don't give you the answer by the time you're done watching the episode, So I like that. There was also a ton of stuff going on in this episode. I mean, you had the landing party, you had the death of Gamble, you had the Vesda and Gorn connection, you had the Spakla on Chapel Triangle. You had the Corbi being a jerk and kind of a selfish asshole sort of situation.

58:31 You had the Ortegas's brother filming the documentary, which I actually thought added a nice little air of kind of innocence and fun to what was going on, and it was nice. It's nice to see his kind of budding relationship with Uhua going on, and I like that part of it. And then there's the Pelia thing, hamming it up for the camera and kind of, you know, being a little a little more Pellia. Somehow she became more Pelia and yet she was less annoying. I'm not really out that that worked. Out, but I didn't really mind what she was doing in this episode. I wonder if we're ever gonna I was really hoping eventually for a Battel Gorn hybrid situation. It seems like maybe I'm not gonna get that, which disappoints me because I was really hoping for like a character that literally sort of looks like a Gorn but is still Battel. I don't know, I just I just wanted that, And then you know, people hinted in their comments, but you guys and Paul said something about it. So first of all, if we didn't have the Internet, we still wouldn't know Ensign Gamble's first name. They never said it on the show. They actually never formally introduced his name in the first episode that he was in, which was Wedding Bell Blues. So here they introduced this character, they kind of make fall in love with him, they don't give him a name.

1:00:03 He is a black man, and then he just gets brutally murdered, and by the time he's dead, I still didn't know who he was until I went to the Internet and figured out that his first name was was. I mean, they had the perfect opportunity right this episode starts with him doing his personal log. He could have said this is instant Dana Gamble, you know, but they didn't. They didn't do that. They didn't even give him the respect of like being able to introduce himself on his own log. So that whole situation really really bugged me about this episode, and it kind of like knocked it down a couple of notches for me, because as much as I love the exploration vibe and that sort of stuff, I really hate that trope of introducing the new guy, make you fall in love, and then kill him off.

1:00:50 Just took it down many notches. So I also will say that, you know, I'm not sure Strange New Worlds is really offering in this season so far what it did in the first season, especially, which is the morality play aspect of Star Trek. You know, all the best Star Trek episodes kind of give you something to think about. They give you a question that you can't answer, makes you expand your brain just a little bit in terms of how you're thinking about things. So far, it's just, you know, whatever's going on that week. There's character development. I will say that's the thing that they're doing a good job on so far as they're developing these individual characters overall. And I think it was v who mentioned in Benga's kind of affinity for and some Gamble and how that was a really sweet kind of mentor mentee father sons sort of relationship, especially since we know that I'm Benga lost his daughter, right, so it was really sweet to kind of see his affinity for this other character and kind of, you know, want to see him succeed and stuff, and then they just kill him off.

1:01:59 So I originally, like, when I started watching this episode, I was like, oh, dang, this is like an eight or nine. This is great. And as the episode went on, my my thing just plummeted like an exponential curve. So I ended up with a six. I gave this one a six. If I was in a better mood today, I might have given it a seven, much in the same way that if Paul was in a worse mood, he might have given it a six. So I'm going to balance Paul's seven with my own six. Despite the fact that there were huge aspects of this episode that I actually really liked. That's that's a fair assessment. So you know, I really liked I thought Scotty was awesome in this episode. I mean, when Gamble slash Vezna was going to kill Pellia and Sam Kirk and Bengo walks in with the phaser and can't do the deed, Pellia kills him. Well, he was already dead, but Pellia calls the body, and what does Scotty do. Scotty grabs the orby thing that happens to be laying there on the counter, traps the thing in it, and quickly beams it into the transporter buffer. Brilliant, brilliant Scotty move. You know. I also like the way they're developing Scottie as well. I like to see them get away from Pellya and more into Scotty. So I did like that. But a lot of the characters had plot armor in this episode. I mean, who was gonna die?

1:03:33 Gamble's the only one really well, and the blue dude who died in the beginning. They all the rest of them have plot armor, so you know, but I'm with you, Eric, I didn't like the fact that they killed Gamble the way he did, because that's what That's exactly what The Walking Dead did in every single season. They bring in a new character that introduce them and then a zombie would jump out and eat them. And it's like they did that time and time and time and time again. And when I was watching this episode and they did it Gamble, I was like, nah. I mean when they when they first brought him into the on that Wedding Bell Blues episode, I was like, oh, man, Like I literally was elated with his character. He seemed so fresh, so new, this person who's like you know, infinitely excited about his job, just wants to succeed. He just was like it. He literally brought me joy, and I think that that made it so much worse when they decided to kill him a offf because it's kind of like the message is, you know, have all the joy, have all of the of the positive stuff that you bring to the story, and you will die. The only people who are going to survive are the ones who kind of understand that their reality sucks and sort of deal with it on a regular basis. It just was it was devastating to me when he died, to tell you the truth.

1:05:04 He had that he had that kind of that Harry Kim kind of vibe, the eager, fresh, young, excited, happy to be here vibe and they kill him. He's hopeful. He seemed to represent a lot of hopefulness coming onto the show, right, And and I think, you know, uh, I'm sure redact my score and make it more like Erics, but but then there's balance, so there you go. But yeah, I found it really kind of is very cynical, kind of you know, bleak, and. That's what it was. It was. That's a great word for it. Yeah, yeah, And Star Trek shouldn't be cynical, right, the best episodes of Star Trek aren't cynical, And this one was.

1:05:45 In the end, you know, before we transition to the next episode, which I'm so looking forward to doing and put this one behind us. I think also kind of like you know, uncle Jim was saying, right in terms of the tone of the season. I mean, I'm not naive. I know that every TV show is written by a group in a collaborative waters room, right, and that is how television has produced these days. But I think it is often produced that way to the detriment of the show. Because I don't really feel like any of these episodes I've seen, with one exception maybe that we might be talking about soon really feel like it was written by a individuals all right. There's just no perspective to it.

1:06:27 It feels like everyone's kind of collaborating and like this, let's make sure this is getting in there, right, And there's a lot of that, and you know, it's just I really feel like, you know, in terms of like what I consider storytelling and narrative focus and character development plot, which is what I watched television for, I feel like there's a little, maybe a little too much, too many cooks going on in these episodes, right, And I'd be really curious to be a fly on the wall and watch how they developed, you know, an arc of the season. They only got ten episodes or whatever it is. It's a pretty short art. But just the writing this doesn't feel very thoughtful or measured to me. And it doesn't feel like there's one vivid perspective cranking out the words.

1:07:11 So be mindful, writer's room. So with that being said, I want to this is a good segue to bring up something that I wanted to mention before. But so with the sky Dance Paramount merger, I've been reading all kinds of stuff on the internet, none of it which I've been able to adequately say yes that's true or no it's not. It's all kind of in great areas. But you know, did Paramount sell out to merge with sky Dance? Did they pay off Trump to approve the sale of so they could make all their money? And then and the other side of that was that part of it was that, you know, they had to rewrite some of these episodes and kind of dumb them down because Star Trek was being too woke and that was part of the deal in order to have sky Dance, you know, complete the merger. So is that why maybe we're seeing a season that's weaker than the first two or not quite what we expect it to be. And again, I've I've been looking up on the internet trying to find a source that can verify that or delegitimize it, and it's just just kind of floating out there. So I just wanted to throw that out of My.

1:08:36 Sense, Jim, is that we may see that more in season four, just because of the timing of when things were written and when things were filmed. This feels to me like, even though it's season three, it feels like that sophomore slump, like we did all of the really cool things that we were thinking about, and now we just kind of have to keep it going before all of a sudden in seasons four and five, shit goes crazy because it's the end. Let's do everything that we haven't already done. Already so many television shows have done that. Go ahead, V. Sorry, Yeah, I was just going to say. Being in the History world, I hear that word like, oh, they're so woke, and that word has been totally you know, misconstrued from what it was. What it was meant first off, and it's basically that you care about people, and to be woke, you're awake, you're aware of the fact that everybody should be equal. Everybody is equal, and we just need to have some kindness and compassion for one another.

1:09:47 And if you're too woke, that's that's not a bad thing. That means that you you know, and then the whole Star Trek is the whole infinite diversity in infinite combination. So anybody that thinks Star Trek as woke doesn't get Star Trek. You know, they're themselves, that's right. But yeah, that word, that word has been unfortunately bastardized and turned into something bad. And you know, the whole thing with Paramount plus selling out to I can't even say his name just sickens me. For somebody who. You know does not care about the average person is as far from the true meaning of woke as you can get. I'm just I'm hoping that you know, it's not going to ruin the rest of Star Trek.

1:10:43 I really do. Let's hope that that's Nope. I think that I think that Paul and Eric, I think everybody pretty touched on most of the things that that I wanted to say that. I was upset that they killed Gamble because I've been talking to him on Facebook and was excited to get him on the podcast, and when they killed him, I was like, no, So that upset me. But overall, I think I'll go with a seven, a seven on this one, maybe a six point eight. Okay, six point eight, because I know Paul likes decimals six point eight and I think that's where I'll put this episode. So did we lose Charles, We lost Charles, Okay, Charles to come back, that could be so while we're waiting for Charles, so we don't want to hold up the show. We will have As I said, we go to our Facebook page and you can score the episodes yourself. So up there's Charles.

1:11:54 He's back, Charles, can you hear us? All right? So what's the overall UH score for for us versus the minions? Six point eight? Mm hm. Do do do do do? Mm hm? Wow? Cool? Cool? All right, So we're gonna do some cadet training for this episode. So we're gonna turn it over to Charles and UH to get us started. Take it away, Charles, all right.

1:12:44 Somebody's pulling the cord out the lawnmower trying to get it started here. I think this is what's what I feel is I don't really get the pressure to go into smart plug dog. I don't know what's going on. Anie, Okay, I will. I will do the cadet trainings for Charles and until he gets back. So for cadet training, Charles has the ts episode Obsession, season two, episode thirteen, the recollection of Kirk's time on the USS Farragut and dealing with the Strange Cloud. He also has the TNG episode data Lore, which is season one, episode thirteen, and that's the crystalline entity the Planet Killer, which we see a planet killer in this episode as well.

1:13:32 Somehow he doesn't mention doomsday. Well, I don't know. That's the very first thing I thought when I heard this, What's like, TF man, you miss that one. We also have the TNG episode Samaritan Snare season two, episode seventeen with the pack lids seeking technology. He also mentions the episode for the Kirkspock relationship, okay, and a TNG episode Galaxy Child season four, episode sixteen with the souring of the melt to remove the barrier cord from the enterprise. That's an interesting analogy. And then we have the Twilight Zone the Invaders seed in two, episode fifteen, small invaders who were astronauts from Earth. I missed that episode. Okay, So that's our cadet training with Charles and v. What did our Facebook fans have to say about this episode?

1:14:37 Well, let's see first, Oh, yeah, the Invaders. I brought that up because even though I had seen that episode a long time ago, seeing this strange New World's episode, it's I immediately for because that's how my brain works went back to that episode. And so. That's that's my little contribution. Anyway. Sorry from our rising fan Tiffany Steele, I might not see him as Kirk yet, but he is a good starfleet officer. I liked that he didn't back down from his Vulcan captain, showing her the need for human curiosity instead of a rule book all the time. Tiffany gave it a seven out of ten. Then Scott D. Smith said, I'm not objective. I felt like a little kid watching a prequel to TOS in nineteen sixty eight. There were tears in my eyes. It was magic. They established his relationship with Stock and his creative can do spirit, his compassion, creativity, never say die. It was brilliant. Ten So I'm pretty much with you on that, Scott. Then Brett Abbott said, loved it ten for me. I also had visions of the Doomsday Machine. Then Mary Ruland says ten definitely.

1:16:06 Now we have Snowic Sebastian. Not bad, but the original episode Doomsday Machine, who is the inspiration of it? Was far better written. I was frankly waiting with optimism for this new season, and I am a bit disappointed for what they delivered after all this waiting for a moment. Except the first episode and a little this one, the rest are just fillers, especially the episode based on the Squire of Gothos, insinuating. That the Squire is a que well he is very bad.

1:16:47 Episode made me feel like I was watching the recent Doctor Who episodes, but yet still gave it a seven out of ten. Let's see Andy Hillston solid episode. Eight out of ten, Carol Anne Bennett ten fantastic and then Dennis Gustavson a couple of wonky parts, I e. How they eventually solve the communication issue and the propulsion however, easily the best episode of the season. Loved the crew that ended up on the Farragut. As an Easter egg for tos, as well as all their actions.

1:17:28 Nine out of ten. Phil Square finally an episode that feels like Star Trek ten. Wanda Slaughter good episode. We're seeing these characters develop into the people we know and love, I would agree, and then Rahem Samad love. It showed a humbled Kirk, like, dude isn't perfect, but that greatness is there. Even Ahah said it just need to show him. The fans score eight point nine. Now that's very respectable, very respectable. So Paul, you want to give us a quick rundown before we dive into the episode.

1:18:11 It would be my pleasure too. So we're doing two episodes this week. As we mentioned it this show so Yeah again, Episode six The Sealot who Ate Its Tail. So we seem to be off our script. Seems to be a little confused tonight's apologies. Essentially, it's Kirk's first day as acting captain and things turn disastrous when this type of unidentified scavengership seizes the Enterprise. It's James Kirk's first command of the USS Farragut, which we've seen in the original series referenced in Early Days. The episode Obsession is the one that we've been talking about there, and it's interrupted by this massive, ancient scavengership that captures the Enterprise and consumes anything. And we have a lot of scenes with kerk having to overcome his self doubt by using human intuition and equal measure of ingenuity. With help from his future crewmates on the team, they come up with a plan to help lure the ship into a track, very risky maneuver, but inspired by his conversation with Spock and a vulcan expression that helps him embrace the burdens and responsibilities of command. So this is a very interesting nostalgic episode, and I think based on some of the comments we saw, this is really giving a lot of the audience what they have been wanting, okay, And it's

1:19:42 definitely a big bolstering bit of enthusiasm for some of the chatter that's let out there that when Strange New World sails off into the sunset, that we will be bringing together all of the new iterations of the Early Days Enterprise crew into doing a basically original series prequel, if you will, early Days of Kirk and Command on the Starship. And this is going to be a sense of what that could be like. And based on this episode, I think it's caused for optimism. I thought this was you know, I think the Judge episodes on their writing and their direction. I'll focus those two inspects because that's ninety percent of what the actors have to work with, right And I thought this was a very tightly done episode for me, probably best episode of the season, you know, right up next to head them any Part two, I would say in terms of it just feeling fresh and where I felt like the writing was concise and the dialogue was very character focused. I think there's going to be some perspectives that say, yeah, this is basically just you know tos recycled, right, But this is I think what a lot of folks have been hungering for, right, in terms of that fresh type of storytelling where things get a little hyperbolic, they get a little bit more melodramatic at times, which isn't always necessarily a bad thing.

1:21:04 And I think that Kirk sells it here, right, And I think he did a great job. I like the fact that he is not confident at first, right. I think that that is something that we should talk about. He comes out very cocky initially and he has to learn a few lessons to get where he needs to go. And I thought that was a great character focused thing, giving some aspects of Kirk that we've never really seen before. So for me, type pacing, very compelling story, and a really interesting twist at the end. So I think we have a lot to talk about here. And I think clearly of the two episodes were discussing, it seems to me the fans embraced this one a little bit more. Should we shake up the order a little bit this time?

1:21:45 Gang? I think Eric kind of the last last time, I would love to hear what you think about this, Eric. Sure, yeah, So here's what I'll say. So, I've been kind of sour so far on the idea of a TOS what I'm calling a TOS reboot with this new crew and kind of like getting the gang back together to have more adventures on the Enterprise. If there was an episode that was gonna bring me around to loving the original the new version of the original crew, it was absolutely this one. I thought this episode was fantastic.

1:22:26 The way that Kirk was written was fantastic. The fact that they separated the TOS crew kind of into one ship to be able to work together from the strange New World's crew really really worked for me. It was really nice to see all these fresh faces kind of working together. And I agree with what Jim said last episode that the development of Scotty so far this season is the most interesting new character for me of watching him kind of grow into his scottiness, and in fact, in this episode we get we see Kirk ask him to do the impossible for the first time, so that's kind of a kind of a cool thing, you know.

1:23:16 We get to see some some other neat stuff. I mean, of course, the Kirk and Spock relationship. But we also get to see, aside from the tos crew stuff, we get to see Pike in law on working together kind of I think for the first time, which I thought was pretty cool to kind of see them sort of team up and have to figure out this thing. You know, there's this big, nasty umbilical that's in the ship and we got to figure out how to get rid of it, and we got to kill off these things. That totally reminded I wish Charles was here because he'd remind me of the race. But there's this race of like rhinoceros people in Doctor Who that their suits totally reminded me of the Is it the the Jadoon or something like that?

1:24:03 Anyway the Spies, Oh yeah, okay, Charles is here. Yes, I think it's the Jadoon if I remember right. So anyway, their suits kind of reminded me of that. The idea that the ultimate spoiler alert that the ultimate enemy was ourselves, that is pure Star Trek man, Like, you can't get more Star Trek than that. Like when they zoom in and they see the American flag and they're like, oh, it's the XCV three hundred, which of course, if you're a nerd about ships, right, Like I've gotten my background here.

1:24:47 The XCV one hundred was the ringship Enterprise thing. That's one of the the things between World War three and kind of when we develop technology. I was like, oh, oh my god, I can't believe it. So I was very. Excited about that. But to me, the real like the pinnacle of the episode is the fact that Kirk has to make this decision wherein he kills off every single person on this on this like pirate ship, right, and there are seven thousand human beings that he kills off, and you can see it. At the end of this episode, there's this moment when he has this kind of like moral debate with himself like was that the right thing to do? And that I mean, there were so many great things about this episode, but to me, that's the moment when you're kind of like, Okay, I'm watching Star Trek here. I'm not watching Star Wars or Aliens or The Expanse or anything like that. I'm watching a show where people make decisions that they have to make and they're not sure if they did the right thing or not, but they still made it because they had to do something in the moment, and you know, hopefully we're left

1:26:18 with a little bit of h was it the right thing? I mean, I think it would be easy for a lot of people to watch the episode and be like, yeah, of course it was the right thing to kill off the pirates, right they otherwise they would have killed us. But the scale of killing off seven thousand people is getting to kirk here a little bit. And I really really just thought that was that was excellent. So yeah, anyway, I don't want to take too much time. This was absolutely my favorite episode of the season by a long shot. It's hard for me not to rate it as a ten because I just can't imagine how they could have done a better job with this episode. And it bugs me a little bit because I don't want a TOS reboot, and yet they totally nailed this episode. So I reluctantly give it a ten. What I can't say anything negative about the episode?

1:27:13 Fair enough, fair enough? How about you? Charles, welcome back. By the way, Okay, thank you a little bit of computer issues for Eric's question, it was the you done. That's the species. I pasted a picture even in the chat to see what they look like okay, and so we've already had one reference to that series thanks to I think it's truck Yards. They did some photographing of scenes and did some zoom shots and found a Tartis inside this ship. It's like, okay, he's in this universe somehow.

1:28:04 Not sure which doctor it is, but doctor who's in here somewhere. I'm trying to get my thoughts going as somebody now has past me. Eric was bringing up a point and I was gonna spend with it, and I forgot which point I was going with. But Will Charles, every single one of my points was amazing, so you can just pick one and go with it. Well, I was thinking of let's talk about characters and less about devices.

1:28:45 Okay, Ellie, I love the line, well I was a roadie for the Dead. It's like, of course you were a roadie for the Dead. I've got my own cann with that itself. But Uncle Jim made the comments like did she just pull out in a tarry twenty six hundred? It's like, yes, she did, Jim, Even though I'm not sure how we got the joystick with a antenna on it that was a twenty six hundred, and the clock she pulled out the cat with the tail. It's like, yeah, you had its usefulness once. But I love the fact that.

1:29:36 I love the fact that she can bring her pass back. It's like, okay, well we can't sit there and send a disruption through copper cape copper wiring. It's like, no, you can't. That is a creative way of doing communication wiring phone cable throughout and sending it through. I love that as an idea. Okay, if you can't do current tech, use some past tech. I'm surprised she still had ownership of all those phones, but I was impressed that she did and she could use him. I wish i'd see a little more pelly of bringing back some of this old stuff and showing kind of showing her age. I liked that part of her. I love the ab format of this story. But as I mentioned in one thing about souring the milk, is the fact that Jordie I think it was Jordi and Data who they are trying to get the creature unattached to the ship, and they realized, oh, if we just spoil the milk a little bit, it'll disconnect.

1:31:05 Well that's exactly what they did. The umbiligo cord. They spoiled, the spoiled what the creature was getting, and the creature then the ship let it go. So I like, I like what they did with this one. I'm not sure I can go quite with it ten, but I can go definitely a nine point five on this one. They did an excellent job. On this one. Well that's that's still a very very good score. Es. How about how about you, V What do you think? What do you think about this episode? Well, again looking to see what you know across the board.

1:31:46 If the the through the Lens of Time was more Star trek ish, this one definitely was. According to the folks out there, there were, but there were some fun moments. I think it was a Ortega that's holding the the phonus is is this a personal massage device? But Pellia and then who was it? She goes into the quarters to go get because she's like it. She's basically a hoarder. She's collected, you know, she's had five thousand years to collect stuff and proving the point that you know, you keep the stuff one of these days you'll need it.

1:32:27 And I can't remember now who was in there with her? Who basically said, this is how I expect your quarters to look, and that just that just kind of cracked me up. But that was doctor Benga, Okay, yeah, that's all right. I couldn't remember, but just the the whole thing with So when Eric was talking, I was I was thinking about, you know, how Kirk has to you know, he had to eradicate these seven thousand people who had somehow lost I guess, lost their humanity. They once were the best and then for whatever reason, they just lost sight of of who they were supposed to be and he wound up having to eradicate them. And I just was thinking of Start three, The Search of Stock where you know, when he blows up the enterprise and he says, my god, Bones, what have I done? And then Bones says, what you've always done, you know, taken whatever the I can't remember the exact line, but getting you know, basically, he did what he had to do, and this is where he starts, you know, his first his first time doing what he had to do and giving everybody else a fighting chance.

1:33:52 So I just thought it was it was just a brilliant episode. And then at the very end, when they're going back and forth between you know, on the on the the ship, you know, discovering who these beings were. And you know, Stock is looking and he's got this looking through the. Whatever that device is and realizing what these people on the Scavender or these creatures on the Scavenger ship are, and then they take off the mask and see it's a human. That was just brilliant. How they went back and forth, back and forth, and it just was just that that moment of discovery and then I'm discussing, you'll finding out the history of them and just wondering, you know, what happened, you know, what happened to them along the way. So I would give it just to throw a little wrench. Nine point seventy five.

1:34:51 How about that? Nine point all right? How about you, David? Yeah, So this episode was really good. I enjoyed it a lot. I really enjoyed the way that they got all the original crew together, of course except for Shulu and tuck Off. However, I'll get back to the whole Sulu thing later. The theory that I had that I wanted to talk about, but going back when Eric talked about about people who loved ships and everything, and I was like, the pirate shipping horrible looking. Who came up with that design? I was just like, why did they put the mouth in there? I mean, which is supposed to be like a giant whale swallowing a fish or something.

1:35:40 But it's just I didn't like that design at all. So that might take on the pirate ship. But other than that, yeah, the episode was really good. And going back on the theory of Shulu man I remembered a couple of weeks last week about the character's name who's been flying the ship this entire time, not ol Benga Tega. I mean, what was the other check that's next to her? Did anybody know who? I can't remember? It's Mitchell. Mitchell. I was thinking, is she like related to Shulu somehow? I mean, it's the same type of. Because she's Asian.

1:36:20 We're not going to. Go there, are We're not going to do that to do this, like, that's clearly where he was going. So the idea you want to do this it is just the love of the twenty first century Enlightenment. You may don't go there, okay. Either way, I'm just saying that was my theory just because of the fact that you know, Shulu comes onto the ship eventually, and so I thought maybe since Cook is going to take over the Enterprise eventually, that you know, somehow Shulu would end up coming on as a recommendation from somebody, so you uh yeah. Other than that, the episode was really good. I enjoyed the all the jokes that they made and all the little you know, uh which the word remember Billia. But anyway, yeah, I would actually give this episode of nine.

1:37:23 It would that good for me and nine. All right. Well, so I enjoyed this episode immensely. But there were a couple of things that I have to point out because I feel I would be remiss if I didn't. First, Portagis touching wires together to jump start the bridge kind of got me like, wait a minute, Wait a minute, what. Are you talking about that, Jim. That was literally one of the coolest moments where it's like this big fat can't possibly be in the twenty third century opera wire. That's a lot that I'm like, oh my god, what they have fiber optics? By then Pelio is running phone lines and did it take you?

1:38:05 Did it take you out of the story? Though, No, I'm just. Pointing out the fact that I'm like really, come on, people, I'm like, all right, I had to mention that. And tropes. We had the trope in the first one, and we got a trope in this one with the giant super ship. That's indestructible type of deal. They did it in Nemesis with the scimitar. They do it all the time. They did it in this episode. So you know the two things right there. But that aside, I enjoyed it. I thought it was awesome. And Scotty Scotti is the man. This Scotti, I think this version of Scotty, I think is a better version of Scotty than James Douhan's version of Scotty because this because this version of Scott.

1:38:53 Oh is that. Sloops. Sorry, wow, we're we're figuring it out. I think this program is brought to you by the United Nations. They slowly dissolving organizations will no longer be here very soon. Well, while Jim's paused, I realized my one extra comment I was throwing in, and this was a bit of a Kobyashi maru for Kirk. But they always made the comment too. Who is the only person to ever pass the kobashi maru because he cheated Kirk. So I think this might be just a positive direction of what we see of Kirk.

1:40:00 So I'm back speaking of Scottie and the mad Bastard. I Uh, I think this Scottie is brilliant. I think he's I think I think he's better than James doing Scotty because he tells Kirk the way it is. He reminds me of a cross between the Kelvin Scotty, you know. He tells Kirk the way it is and doesn't hold back. And I really really like the direction that they're taking Scotty in in this episode. I thought it was brilliant and I really enjoyed seeing the crew work together and you know, present their their options to the captain or to Kirk, and then choosing, you know, Spock to go in.

1:40:41 And we see that first Kirk Spock moment really that we'll see many many many more times to come, and he's he's looking at the three D chess with his captain, which is something that Kirk has spot did a lot on TOS So I really liked that as well. And I liked the design of the farragt. I thought that was cool, you know, and how I thought it was really really neat how Spot came up with the idea to detonate the Klingon warp cores that was inside of the ship because their weapons we couldn't penetrate the hull, but when it opened up its mouth, they had the Klingon D seven in there that had been ripped apart, and he targeted the warp core part of the ship that they showed in the graphic and destroyed it from the inside. I thought that was really, really awesome. And is anybody else glad that they lived through the nineteen eighties?

1:41:36 Like Pellia, I mean that line. I was like, I was cracking up when she said that. And her quarters, did they let you down? I mean, they were exactly the way I had all visioned. Yeah, yeah, So. I'm pretty sure I had one of those phones that she was pulling out. Sure I had one of those. I know that I had an Atari twenty six that I can guarantee you. I mean, any kid growing up in the eighties had one of those. So yeah, I really really enjoyed the episode, and I really like the speech that Kirk has or not Kirk, that Pike has with Pike has with Kirk at the end of the episode where he's talking about sitting in a chair and the decisions that you make and kind of putting giving Kirk that gentle nudge that's going to put him on the path that he eventually will end up on. So, yes, this if this is the type of show, like Eric said, if this is the type of show that they're going to give us with this tos Soft reboot whatever you want to call it, Star Trek Year one is what I've been hearing it called on the internet, then and this is the quality they're going to give us and the type of show they're going to give us, then I'm off for it. So yeah, I'm I'm going to go with the nine point two for this episode. Thoroughly, thoroughly enjoyed it. So that's my take. So Charles, how do we compare to our minions? Oh?

1:43:00 Oh, well, I haven't gotten the score yet. Oh didn't you give your score to start with when you did the Nope? Intro? Nope did I? Eric? You know you're paying attention, No score given. You gave some basic comments, but you didn't really fill it out and give a score. Yeah, I'm happy to say a little more if we. Have time Okay, yeah, absolutely, yeah, say it. Then we got we got sixteen minutes, plenty of time. Jesus, it's just more over the map here. I got to agree with Eric, I think best episode of the season. I think clearly it was focused, it was clear, it was clean, The pacing was really tight, the writing was really sharp. It was right thought provoking ending that I think is what we're looking to get from Star Trek.

1:43:46 It felt like a classic bit of writing from the episode. But what I like the most is just, you know, the focus on Kirk as a character who has an arc through the episode, right, he grows from the very curious, borderline reckless leader at the beginning to a man who was able to embrace the personal cost of what command will take from you and have to make difficult choices, which is what a leader is all about. Somebody who puts the group head of himself. That's important, right, and that then you make hard decisions. Those decisions often have consequences the change who you are. And I thought that was great. That focus on him as an emerging leader, I thought was outstanding and being able to become humble enough and have humility enough to realize that he still has to learn much before he's able to be a commander.

1:44:46 So I thought that was outstanding, really really well done, and I just love the mood. The mood started out great, right, I mean you know, yeah, maybe a trope of the giant ship, but the way that they set the stage it was very foreboth and I thought it really did begin with it real sense, before we knew what we were facing. It was really menacing. We didn't know what we. Were and everybody's sort of mentioning their own myth or folklore from their culture about what it is that they've seen, right, I mean very much evoked to me like a doomsday machine vibe from the great Norman Spinrad episode, right, really, you know, it's like we're getting in deep water here, what's going to happen? Right? And it was just really and then all of a sudden, they're coming on the heels of a planet that's being blown apart, which is just shocking, right, and then we ultimately find out who's responsible for that. It's a great piece of writing. So for me, it was really great.

1:45:37 This is the kind of direction I would always keep hoping the Star Trek writing would return to, not that I necessarily need to see the original series. But this kind of writing is really what people turn to Star Trek for character development and a really full resolution of the end of the story. So I thought it was extremely well done, real tempting to take a point off for the whole telephone nonsense, because then I felt like, that's like, you know, the writer's room chaos, you know, and when too many people have been to the you know, the weed store that afternoon, and let's do like telephones man, and like you know, I'm like, oh, yeah, is that a good idea?

1:46:18 Doesn't that? But but doesn't that like knock down the like serious net level? Does it? Doesn't it? Does it make it more fun? And should a Star Trek episode have the funness aspect? I don't know it, should you know, into it? But it's also it's like not every episode is appropriated the Doomsday Machine. Eric was there like a running joke about farting. No like but that one, No, but that one. No, but that one had a real focus on Matt Decker two as a character, which I think was a different kind of like vibe no, you're you're totally right, You're totally yeah. I think they just I think it was just like, oh, we need to give the people something to do to kind of make it fun and cutesy. And I think that they are like run, They're throwing kitchen sink ideas to get something going on with Bellier here, and I'm really ready to be done with her, you know, I really really am. I mean, Carolcane's great. I like her, but it's just she does not feel like a Star Trek character to me, and she's slowing down the story, so I'd be ready to move on from that. So I mean, while it's really tempting to just give it a nine because I want to support the direction of this kind of show, this kind of episode, I gotta go with Reic and I got away a ten because this is what I'm looking for. And we've had a lot of you know, le I mean take it from the you know, the mouths of the folks leaving our top fan comments right people in the middle. I mean, are you that sense of theme emerging this week? People are not really thrilled with this season as a whole.

1:47:45 They're you know, last a halfway point, and they're they're kind of you know, their skarts aren't getting blown up, right, they're just not they're there. They seem a little lackluster about things. Does it seem like the vipe you all? But but yeah, for me, I would give it a ten. And I was like, more of this believed And Paul Wesley. Great job. I'm excited to, you know, to keep seeing that character grow and and see more of his genesis of a ob So great episode. Loved it. You know what I wish we had, Paul, I wish we had kind of the style of reviews of all of the other series, right, I wish we had had the Internet and we could have people comment on Next Generation on a weekly basis and kind of tell us like what they thought, because I would, I would. I don't really know, but I would sense that, like, you know, first of all, we got the ten episodes versus the twenty six episodes, and then you got the budget thing, right, Like, the budgets are much higher now, so there's a whole like technological thing that sort of makes things more interesting.

1:48:56 But would the in our collective memory, the Next Generation is overall an amazing show. But if you were to but if yeah, but if you were to add, well, okay, fair enough, fair enough, But if you were to add up like how many stinkers there are? What would the what would the percentage be? And is it any lower or any higher than the sort of stinkers that were getting now? I don't know. This is a question I don't know the answer to, but I just think it's an interesting thing to think about. It is that's a great question, you know, for I think a lot of us are like this with next Gen right, Like it's just like if you're watching and like if you still have like you know, regular TV running right, Like I don't know, what are those old channels like TNT or whatever, right, and you happen to just be, oh, look a structor episode, Right, you pretty much know what next Gen within like fifteen seconds or so if it's an episode that you're going to stick with it, but what or not? Or you're like, what the hell is this prot I know Dallas Paint and a lot of right, but you can tell really quickly, right, and uh, it's and so it's it's funny. I mean, it's a keeper and it's a really great episode right here.

1:50:14 Then you're does, man, how many times have seen it? You're gonna keep watching it? And you're gonna just drink deep. So it's better true, I really, and so it's more seasons to come. I think their average will, like you say, improve, I hope, especially as they get You cannot avoid the fact that when they see the reaction this episode does, that's going to translate back to them and go okay, more like this, because you know, I mean, they look at their reactions. I'm sure sorry for getting full ahead of steam. I don't know is yeah, you deserve it as much as any of us do. And I like when I look back at kind of like the modern not to we've We've still got nine minutes, so I'm gonna take one more minute. But like h when I look at the modern era of Star Trek, it started with Star Trek Discovery, right, And I think that unfortunate. We're at a point now where Star Trek Discovery is enough in the past that people have pretty much formed their opinions about it, and their opinions won't change until the next generation, so to speak, of Star Trek fans comes out. And I think that that opinion seems to be Oh, it was too and god, I hate to say this term v but like it was too woke. Right, I disagree, but like that seems to be the overall. What Star Trek Strange New Worlds has done is they've given us the White Captain, They've given us characters we are familiar with, you know, so it automatically is kind of more palatable than Star Trek Discovery was. And so now we're judging

1:51:50 it on an apples to Apple's basis, to previous shows like Next Generation and like Tos, whereas Star Trek Discovery wasn't able to be judged in those same terms because it was just so that was such a crazy sound because it was just such a different thing. Anyway, I just wanted to mention the Yeah, I just wanted to mention how I feel like Star Trek is such an interesting thing in the modern era because Discovery was like two woke, you know, Prodigy was for kids. Lower Decks makes fun of Star Trek Strange New Worlds is really the only apples to apples comparison that we have against previous Star Trek And I don't know what that means, but I just I think it's a different I think we're judging it in a different way than we have judged any other Star Trek in the last ten years.

1:52:43 Absolutely so Charles Minions versus Truxperts. Well, it's interesting the numbers because the Minions giving an eight point nine was their highest to the sea so far. The truck Spirts gave it nine point six, which is our highest score of the season. All right, So we're all agreed with the Minions that this was this is the direction they should go for sure. So I told you guys at the top of the show we weren't going to be doing any birthdays, but we are going to be doing remembrances because I think that's important and we have some really good ones here and so for that, that was not a Clinton song, Okay to Mike, is yours Eric?

1:53:52 All right? This week we remember five members of our Star Trek community who have gone before us. The first is Laurel Goodwin, the actress who played the original j M. Coult in the first Star Trek the original series pilot, The Cage. Happy birthday to Laurel Goodwin, Happy birthday, as well to Jane Wyatt, the Emmy Award winning American actress who played our original Amanda Grayson in the TOS second season episode Journey to Babel and in Star Trek for the Voyage Home. Of course, if you don't know who Amanda Grayson is, that's box Mom Yo. Happy birthday, Jane Wyatt Another Jane.

1:54:36 Happy birthday to Jane Webb, the actress who voiced Lara, the Vedala female in the Star Trek the animated series first season episode The Jihad, another very excellent episode of the animated series. She lived to be eighty four years old. Happy Birthday, Jane. Happy birthday as well to Charles Cooper, the actor who portrayed Cord the Klingon in Star Trek five The Final Frontier, and also played Kempec in the TNG third and fourth season episodes Sins of the Father and Reunion. Happy Birthday, Charles Cooper, and our last birthday this week is the Great Bird of the Galaxy himself.

1:55:19 Happy birthday to Gene Roddenberry, the filmmaker TV producer best known as the creator of the science fiction television series Star Trek. Gene Rodberry, people like to evoke you as time goes by, but you are the one who came up with the concept, who did the pitch, who built the franchise that we all love. So we really, really, really more than anybody else, probably appreciate your contributions to this amazing franchise. You did die too early at the age of seventy years old, way back in nineteen ninety one. But as people would say, hopefully you are not rolling over and you are enjoying some of the ways in which your franchise have been carried forward into the future and all the way into the twenty first century. Here, So happy birthday. Jean Roddenberry born August nineteenth. Somewhere between nineteen twenty one and nineteen twenty four?

1:56:18 Is that? What that? Do we not know what year he was actually born? My notes seem to have some confusion on that. I think it's I think he was he was born on nineteenth of August of twenty one, but he died on October twenty fourth. Oh, I see, I'm getting the debt. I understand what's happening. Okay, So he was born August nineteenth, nineteen twenty one, died October twenty fourth, nineteen ninety one. Happy birthday to Jean Roddenberry. Thanks V for straightening me up. Well, I love it. Yeah, his son is carrying on his legacy. Can you see him in the credit says Eugene Roddenberry. So and we have one very important birthday left, an actual living birthday, a birthday of someone who's here with us right now, our very own miracle worker from Portland himself, David.

1:57:12 Happy birthday, David. The podcast which is not survive without our miracle worker, and happy happy birthday to David. All these awesome graphics and things you see are all courtesy of David, our miracle worker. So thank you so much, David, and happy birthday. Thank you, guys. And I think see when did David join us? Uh? Yeah, when did you come aboard? David? What's your anniversary date with trek talking? I keep thinking it was somewhere in the middle of COVID. I keep thinking when it took place, So it much have been like twenty twenty, was it?

1:57:58 Okay, that's cool, we'll take that all right, So happy birthday to David. That wraps up our show, guys. Next week we're going to be talking about what is Starfleet the episode which is on right now, so walk, don't walk, run to your TV and watch it so we can talk about it next week. It's going to be a blast. Hopefully it's a good episode. Hopefully it follows in the footsteps of the one we just discussed. So I want to say thank you so much to Paul for hanging out and Trek talking with us tonight. Thank you, Paul, It's been an interesting evening. Thank you, And thank you so much to Charles as well for hanging out and Trek talking with us. Thank you, Charles.

1:58:40 Thank you with the computer problems, it was a fun show. And of course thank you to v for hanging out and Trek talking with us as well. Thank you. It's always a blast live want and prosper. And thank you to Eric for hanging out with us. Thank you, Eric. Absolutely, we all make it interesting every single week and I. Love that it's always fun. And our birthday boy himself, David, thank you for having me out talking with us. David. Yeah, it's been a lot of fun, and of course I'm your most excellent host, Uncle Jim saying to everybody, please stay safe and be good to each other. Star Trek fans are the best fans. Tailing frequencies are closed. Good night, everybody, good night, love more, I prosper all all stags.

1:59:32 I'm ready for departure, sir. Some problem RCA just hoping this isn't the usual way of missions will build said, Oh no, nomber what. I'm sure most move be much more interesting. Let's see what's up there. Th game, So You