Episode 647 SNW- Hegemony part 2 and Wedding Bell Blues review

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0:46 We talk about the series coming to you on your dreams services. Now, we talk about the series. Going on the film now he's nothing about. Well, good evening. Treki's and Trek is around the globe. But it's Thursday, July twenty fourth, twenty twenty five. Welcome to episode six hundred and forty seven of Trek Talking Hard to Believe. You may have noticed the opening. We didn't have the awesome video because we're without Eric or without David today. And I'm hearing an echo. We are hearing an echo.

1:33 I'm hearing like what sounds like an iron lung. I'm hearing everything just fine. Apparently I have Spearrior technology. Okay, then we won't worry about it. I don't know why I'm hearing an echo. We'll continue on. We're without David tonight, which means we don't have any videos, but we're not going to need him because we're going to be talking about strange new world. We have not one, but two episodes to cover, and it's been over two years since we did. So we have a whole show to do nothing but talk track and I think we can do it for sure. So before we get tomorrow, I want to introduce my awesome Trek Sports. We'll start off with VVS down in Virginia. She's wearing its uniform tonight.

2:15 Welcome to the show. V just mind us my combadge. I'll have it next time. I promised, Well, we'll let it go this time, but only this time. And we also have with us. Charles. Charles is out Las Vegas. How you doing tonight, Charles? I'm doing good and enjoying it. A totally cooler weather. And no go sidings, not yet anyways, not yet, you never know. And we're going to swing out to Portland and say hello to Paul, a toy guy. How you doing tonight, Paul, you know, I'm good until Jim. I'm good, though a little distracted because, as I'm sure you all know, last night began the crazy four day fan dang though, that is San Diego Comic Con, so there is a near constant barrage of exciting news about anything geek related coming out on a merely hourly basis.

3:12 I cannot even begin to tell you how distracting that is. I've only wish I was there. The next show will probably have lots of new images and not to new toys and all kinds of fun. Yeah, talk about and also in Portland of everyone, Eric, how you doing tonight? Eric? I am doing great, you all, Paul. I was just realizing that that San Diego is only like a two and a half hour flight away. Man, we should talk about twenty twenty six, because honestly, I've always wanted to go to that, and I just think it would be a good time. Charles, have you ever been to SDCC? Have not been, have not been there, but I've heard the last few years have been very chaotic.

3:55 Very well chaotic. I can deal with. Man, He's like super crowd it, man, I mean there's a lot of there's a lot of waiting in line, you know, but but you know. Who is who is there is the tiny Chef. And if you don't know about the tiny Chef, does anybody know about tiny Chef? Tiny Chef is awesome. I love him so much. Yes he's there. Well, good luck getting a ticket. You have to you have to go into a lottery get drawn for a ticket, and then you have to get drawn. H then you have to go into a lottery and get a hotel room.

4:39 On top of that, I got people I know people in people all right. Well, I hope your people know people that know people that can get you in. No, they just have rooms in their house. Well that works too, So uh, you guys can head over to trek Talking dot com and you'll find clings over there to our Patreon page which Charles runs, and for only two dollars a month, you can help support this podcast, so please think about doing that. If you don't want to do that, you can make a one time donation through PayPal and again you can find that link at trek Talking dot com. And why you're at trek Talking dot com, not only will you find links to all of our awesome podcasts and all kinds of bios. Well, we got to get one for Victoria up there at Posting one right. Yeah, all kinds of great stuff there that you can check out. You can link to our Facebook page which is Trek Talking and Beyond and you'll see a livelong and prosper post there and you can just tell us where you're listening from. And if you see a heart next to your name from yours truly, Uncle Jim, then you want to tune into the next show because you will be featured in a fan shout out.

5:45 On tonight's show, we are going to be talking about Star Trek, Strange New World. It's back with new episodes Jeremy Part two and Wedding Bell Blues. We're going to talk about both of them, and it's been such a long time. We actually have fans scores for this episode we over and we also have training from Charles. So we're not going to have any birthdays and we're not going to have any news, but we have plenty of Star Trek to talk about. So without any further ado, what do you say? We dive right in and we do our fan shout outs and we don't have David to put the funky video up there, so we'll just pass it on right over there to Hearic. We don't need no funky video, Jim. So we are going to spin that globe right over to Europe and we're going to start this week with saying hello to Leonora Holland Hale, who is hailing see what I did there from Denmark, one of those countries I would love to go to. Actually, until our plans changed, we had a plan to go to Denmark this October. Now they've changed.

6:49 I promise you twenty twenty six, Denmark, I will see you in Leonora. Perhaps we should meet up in a coffee shop. I don't know, it'd be nice to say hello. But thank you so much for supporting our podcast out there in that most amazing country. Also saying hello this week to Patty Schweriki, who is saying hello to us from Berlin in Deutschland, sending us that livelong and prosper icon emoji, etc. Which I know is exactly what caught Jim's attention. Berlin is a most amazing city, super cool architecture in that town, amazing history. Patty Schweriki, thank you so much for saying hello to us from there. Also just moving a bit to the left and up. We're saying hello this week to Hans Decas. Hans Decas, I can tell you're from Holland because you have two consonants in your last name. Thank you, Hans for saying hello to us from that most amazing country. I always like to talk about how Holland is more than fifty percent below sea level, just like they rule the world in terms of floating architecture, in terms of levy technology. It's pretty awesome. So Hans Deckers, thank you so much for saying hello to us. And I am going to also say hello this week to somebody whose name I'm not entirely sure is their actual name, but that's okay. We all get to choose our own names in life. So I would like to say hello this week to Delta Quasa, Delta Quaysar. I am saying hello to you over there in New type A City, Taiwan. It is so cool

8:20 to know that we have tons of support for our podcast all the way out there in Southeast Asia. Delta Quasar, thank you so much for saying hello to us. Charles, would you like to bring it home to the US. Yes, I would, Eric, thank you a very warm. Welcome to David, a householder from Texas. Welcome David. Welcome Layson Mackenzie the third from central Florida. It's rather war in Florida right now. I've welcome to Terry Smith from Maryland. Welcome Terry. And welcome Tom Davidson from Ohio. Welcome Tom.

9:03 Yee. Who's on your list? All right? First off, I have William Paul Castello from our wonderful neighbor to the north, Canada, and he's got quite the emoji line up here, two Canadian flags, a live long and prosper looks like a musty arm and a little face with sunglasses. So thank you for that, William. Next, I have Luke Best from Arkansas, so thank you for reaching out to us. Next, Max Lockwood, Michigan, USA, the Big Minton part of our country. Never been there, I'd like to go, as well as our next spot, Colorado, where j Stewart is saying hello, So thank you for that.

9:56 Jay. All right, Paul onto you. Don't you just love it when you get a fan and their name sounds like it should be a fictional character. I mean, isn't that like the best part of this whole segment? Like, okay, Max, Max Lockwood. Okay, I know that's great. I mean, come on, it's like, you know, Max Lockwood. I mean, it's just, you know, I. Don't know the the Quasar, the who is it? Delta Quasar. That's like the coolest name ever. Yeah, you know, I mean every now and then there is a little, you know, thin spot between dimensions, right, and somebody else there sneaks through, right, So you know, you never really know. But I've got all kinds of folks scattered across our rather precipitous globe that I'd love to acknowledge it.

10:43 Today. First of all, we're going to say hello to our good emoji wielding pal, Jonathan Kevin Longde, originally from the UK but now living in Germany, and he's got the emojis to prove it, along with the ubiquitous, live long and prosperous side. So John, then, what a journey from the UK to Germany. And it sounds like you've got lots of good traveling, lots of good options in front of you. So good for you, my friend. Thanks for checking in with us over here. Let's say hi to our friend Tito Poppi in the Philippines. With the Philippine flag wristling in the wind. So great to hear from you. And we've got Star Trek fans everywhere. This next individual, I think would be of all the spots here, perhaps one of the ones that would be able to enticing to visit, because Sarah J. Swain is saying hello to us from the Bahamas. And if you can, you know, deal with the occasional hurricane come hurtling through, I think you'll be okay. But Sarah is sending us the flag of the Bahamas along with some Vulcan love this week.

11:45 So can I just mention that she is actually our first shout out we've ever gotten from the Bahamas. So we keep track of who says hello to us, and Sarah, you are the first. There's a little there's a little light right now on Eric's like it's like, oh, that's a new one. Bahamian, Bahmian, Bahamian. We still gotta get. We still gotta get some folks from the Antarctic to China. We do that's number one. Sure I can make that happen. So let me let me work on that. For your friends, finding for me on this list. We're gonna go back over to the wonderful wine producing country of Portugal, Okay, and produces many other wonderful things as well. But of course, you know, we its some things that are hard to ignore. But it's our good friend. Yoho day Camara Manuel, And I hope I'm even remotely close to the pronunciation there, Yoha.

12:42 I hope I've got that right. But you know, I can come over to Portugal and you can buy me a glass of wine. You can school me on how to pronounce it directly as that for a good deal. All right. So we got again proof that you know, positive enthusiasm for Star Trek and this podcast is a global phenomenon that we all share. So great to have all those things in common, wouldn't you agree, Uncle Jim? I absolutely would? And so does my dog Crypto over here. She's appearents on the podcast. Leah. Leah's laying right here next to me. And I just got to say I went to see Superman and I loved Crypto. I gotta throw that in there, guys. Crypto was lea all the way, loved it, loved it.

13:28 On that dog. You know, I'm gonna put a cape on her. She's my super dog. Yes you are, Yes, you are. You're so cute too. All right, back to the important stuff here, not that you're not important, Leah. All right. We want to say thank you to Keith Slocum, who's listening to us right now, and we go New York. I don't know where a wigo is, but I do know where Oswego is. I don't know if that's a grammical error or not. Is there an ago? I think, I think, I'm no, no, it's not actually a Weego? New York is an actual town in Tioga County, New York.

14:09 Okay, there go every day? Yeah, learn something? Okay, see you will her out now. She's like, what, lets do some stuff. I'm going to be here. We also want to say thank you to davidia Lynn Pipper, who's listening to us from right now in Texas. We want to say thank you to Adam Cortez who's listening to us in Michigan. And last, but not least, Jerry b lea no relation to Mark b League, who's listening to us in Kentucky and flashes us to live long and prosper. Thank you so much to everybody for being a fan and supporter of the show, you can head over to truck Talk and then beyond finally Live long and prosper Moji and tell us where you're from and be part of our fans shout outs. We don't have any polls this week, and I don't have a song for cadet training. You want to play the polling song? Anyways?

15:04 Yeah, I feel like that's solid. I'm gonna play that song at least once a week. I mean, cadet training so long it deserves an intro. All right, so here's the intro for now anyways. Polling, polling poland you know me like, no win what you thought about the show when we try to share your opinions with all of our minions out there because they listen worldwide, So tell us just what you think.

15:44 Get together, we will all drink canar and robulin an. I still love the song, Eric, I just you know, I don't often like to listen to myself saying I feel like we nailed that one pow. So that's our polling song. But we don't have any polls. But what we do have is we have Charles and our cadet training and just as a reminder, because it's been two years. Cadet training is where Charles lets you guys know what episodes you can watch that are relevant to the Star Trek episodes that we're discussing tonight. So I will turn the mic over to Charles. Take it away, Charles.

16:25 Two years. We just did Cadet training with lower decks, so so we did poll our fans in a little while. All that Paul will talk about. But it was hard to come up with too much stuff in this episode, but definitely it was interesting. There's like forty seven episodes, six four episode not too many. Charles is like a giant excels Red seat of like everything's think you'll not.

17:07 On only thirteen lines of text. Well we're only yeah, I've only got four topics. Of course we're doing gorre categories. Sorry, So I looked up Gorn and my comment was we have nine nine major episodes and six references. So TOS original TOS arena of course from season one t as the Time Trap, also from season one Enterprise. They appeared minorly in a Mirror Darkly Part two. Back in season four, Discovery had three episodes, but we only saw a skeleton of a Gorn. Lower Dix had four times. Gorner appeared three times to Gorn, we're referenced Strange New World we had All Those Who Wander is a discuss and also from season one and season two, the final season, the finale in Hegemony one that I threw in there on Mine, Star Trek, Strange New World Asylum the novel, and that is where we see Pellia as an instructor in Starfleet Academy, Strange New Worlds add aspar up her A stratup per Aspara season

18:43 two where we talked about using UNA's blood which is Aliria, and then I thought, want to throw fun in there. Scotty is a miracle worker. As we sit there and talk about out our miracle Worker, tos A Doomsday Machine, Star Trek three, Star Trek four, and TNG Relics. So from there, I'm going to pass it over to Paul. Paul what their fans think, Well, you know one thing you can always count on from our fans is they have lots of opinions. Let's dive into this.

19:29 Pa, friend. Before we do, let's just briefly frame what we're getting into here. Friends, we're talking about the premiere of the latest season of Star Trek Strange in the Worlds, which just came back last week, and so we tend to like to give everybody a week to kind of process things, to get a chance to watch the episode, so they're not, you know, subject to spoilers, right, So that's why we're reviewing last week's first two episode premiere tonight. And so we're going to start off with a review of Hegemony, Part two, which is the thrilling conclusion to the two part season premiere of What we Got for Strange New Worlds last week. This first episode is the second part of Hegemony, focusing on Pike's daring rescue mission behind enemy lines to save his crew who've been captured by the Gorn, while said same landing party on the Gorn ship attempts a daring escape themselves. The episode also looks into the complex relationship between Spock and There's Chapel as they grapple with Captain Bateell's precipitous Gorn infection and how far they're all willing to go to save her.

20:36 So there's kind of. The sketchy little thumbnail breakdown here. So what did our fans think of all this? Right? So what we do is we put these out on the Facebook page, right, so anyone can participate in this and usually it will come like the night after of the same day of the question, the night of the same day the episode premiere is, or perhaps the next morning, depending on how much romul and Ale Uncle Jim's that. But so framing on a scale of one to ten, with ten being the best. What did our social media fans rate Hegemony? Part two? Rick Latimer says he gave it a six. It felt rushed to meet the forty five minute runtime and move on to season three, but it now has me wondering did Picard data both recall this bit of Starfleet history when putting the Borg to sleep as Pike put the Gordon to sleep or is it just rehashing. I know what you're talking about, Rick Latimer.

21:28 I'm sure we're going to get into that in our discussion tonight. Lisa Kramer Hurley says she gives it a ten. I love the attention to details of the emotional stories, and also the action was great. Mary Lekowski ten or more. Loved it my favorite show. I'm a big Star Trek fan. Captain Pike so handsome, says Mary Lekowski, and perfect. For that role. Angela Ailes gives it a nine point nine. N I totally loved it. There could more because I could have kept watching for hours. Okay, I like seeing all this representation in here. Jim Stegman gives it a five, with absolutely no explanation as to why. So, okay, Jim, you have to chi him in let us know more. A gentleman named Doc Savage gives it a one.

22:20 Mmm. I'm not sure what Jim is doing, but what what Doc is doing? Rather so, I'm not sure what kind of experience you know? Maybe I don't know powers out something happened I. Don't know, or Doc may just be wrong. Yeah did he even watch it? Oh my god? Wow, Doc, there is a magical, a magical Klingon beverage called Prune Juice that I would like to recommend to you. Warriors. It may change your perspective on a great many things. You guys, if you now you know that right?

23:03 Why? Both these episodes go to our Facebook page And he wrote a pretty lengthy novel comparing it to the Star Wars and Disney and blah blah blah blah blah, like five paragraph explanation at least. He's thorough, doctor. I mean you're gonna rated it one, you better be thorough. Brother. Don't get us wrong, Doc, we like to have fun with our fans. We we're just messing with you, okay, it's just we only we only say stuff like this if we're having a good time. So yeah, but it's great that you're letting us know, and your essays are welcome, so you know, let's get into it. Man. So I think you've got a deep bench of knowledge, clearly, so when we're done here, I'm going to dive into it. So it's cool. So we like it when folks, and you know, should we.

23:46 Call you the Man of Bronze. I mean that is Doc Savage's nickname. So I just you don't know. We we we. Respect your roots better, So there you go. Terry Smith is a little bit on the other end of the spectrum, though Terry gives it a ten and loved how each character got to show their streng and add to their story. Snow x Sebastian, I hope I'm pronouncing that right, snowk or snoyke Sebastian. I'm not sure, frankly. The first episode of this season was very good. Eight, so okay. Martin Rollo gives it a ten. A ten. Stevie Moore is giving us a big warning here that he's going to be talking spoiler. I give it a solid seven. I wasn't too keen on the solution, but they had to wrap it up somehow. Putting them to sleep was a little too close to another plot from a previous Star Trek episode, which I think we were having intimated at the start of this assessment. From Rick Latimer here, I think making the same thing. I think we'll discuss that.

24:41 I'm sure love the rest though. And finally from Brett Abbott, it was a fantastic episode in my opinion, says Brett. Trek has always based episodes on past Trek ever since the days of the Next Generation the Card Season three. Let me see Borg try to beat Starfleet Enterprise Wings. Yeah, that sounds natal levels on his score with an eight. So that's what we've got from our fans. Shall we discuss Hegemony Part two? Let's say, yeah, just so. That totals out to an eight point five for a fan score. An eight point five okay, respectable to be sure, very so.

25:25 Uh V would you like to get us started? On your thoughts on the episode. Yeah, it was. It was intense. The opening sequence was some really uh fantastic filming or you know special effects where you're following the ships and you're twirling around and it's just action packed. I do have to admit I found it hard to watch all the gooey gunky parts where they're in those I guess it was the digestion chamber in the Gorn ship where they're in those sacks of goo. Uh So that was a little bit difficult for me to watch this because I'm squeamish. But just them working together to figure out a way to you know, steal a Gorn ship and get out of there. And then poor Erica with her like her hand was just totally mangled and she's flying the ship and I didn't realize it at first, but when you look at the you're looking at the con it's like that's her blood that she's like pooling on top and she just can barely make it, and she's saying, you know, with her last ounce of energy, I'm Erica or tegis I fly this ship. It's like boom. And also the fact that Chapel and Spock were able to save Captain Batel through

26:55 some ingenious medical intervention with own is Illyrian blood. That was I rate it, you know, except for the gory parts. I'd give it a nine point five easily. So that's that's my take. Well, that's that's a very respectable, very respectable store. Paul, you want to jump in or Eric. And what point did you go? Okay? Okay, so two years wait for this episode. I think, uh, it was maybe Charles and our internal chat who said, you really need to watch these back to back Hegemony one Hedgeminy two, which I did do, And I feel like that's the correct way to watch these two much in the same way that I had just lost the season three to season four TNG name best.

27:50 Of both worlds. It is the best of both okay, best both worlds, much in the same way that you need to watch those back to back, because that's that was a year wait, well not even it was like nine months between those two. Yeah, I mean as action packed episodes of Star Trek go, this one was pretty good. You get the opening sequence, which has the Enterprise being attacked by Gorn ships and stuff. We have amazing CGI these days. I always love a good starship battle. You know, one of the things that people have always said about Star Trek versus Star Wars is in Star Trek you get like this battle between kind of capital ships. So really, in reality, if it were real, these would be big, slow moving ships that would shoot each other with like ultimate power, whereas Star Wars is kind of like a bunch of little fighters going pew poopoo and like really getting after each other.

28:48 This is kind of like a mix, right, because you got the little Gorn ships that are like pew poo poo, but you got the big capital ship that's like, oh, I can take all the hits, but yet I have to do the thing that I have to do. So so that was the opening sequence was pretty cool. I will say that I personally, one of my favorite interactions during this episode is the whole Pellia and Scotty trying to solve a problem together. I just thought their scenes together were hilarious. You know, Scotty was a former student of Pelias, and you know, multiple times she's like, we have to solve the thing, and he's like, well, can't solve the thing, and she's like, we have to solve the thing, and he's like we can't solve the thing, and then eventually she like puts him under immense pressure and then he solves the thing. So I just like that whole interaction I thought was was hilarious. I think we also see law on as if we didn't know that Lawn was a badass. This is like the episode that just sort of doubles down on that, right, Like she's the first one to crawl out of the Gorn things that make the uncomfortable, and you know, I mean, I'll say they they're not great. You know, they're of gross.

30:01 I mean, Ortega's emerges with like a hand that's kind of mangled and like half gone, which is pretty pretty gross. But Laan, because she has the experience with the Gorn from the past, she comes out and she's like, all right, you know what, we're gonna fox some Gorn up and that's what she does, which I just think is totally amazing. So I want to talk a lot about la on this episode versus the next episode, because I feel like it's a really cool kind of like crossing of her character's complexities between these two different episodes. But I really like to see her be in such a badass in this one, we get problem solving, which I think is one of my favorite things in Star Trek problem solving in that they have to not only figure out that they have to, you know, the first, they have to discover that they're sort of investigating the Gorn home world for the first time. Number Two, they got to figure out what they gotta do to kind of like put the Gorn to sleep, which I'll let others talk about comparisons to previous episodes or whatever. It didn't like, I didn't.

31:10 That didn't even come up for me. I'm sure people who are much more familiar with Next Generation may have said, oh, I've seen that plot before. For me, it was like, okay, whatever, you like, I get it. They're they're literally reptiles there. They've got a sleep cycle thing that they go into. You can freeze reptiles, right for Like, didn't they just discover a reptile that who was frozen for like twenty thousand years? I don't know. Yeah's like crazy? Yeah, So so that part didn't really really bug me at all. And uh, and just the working together of all the people on the enterprise and kind of that problem solving thing is one of my favorite things about Star Trek, it's is it? Is it Spock or somebody says maybe it's I can't remember if it's Uhora, but somebody says it's like one of the Thousand Chants, and Pike's like, like those odds. I mean, that's a total Star Trek thing, right, It's like it's impossible to do, and yet we're gonna do it and it's going to totally work out. So I like that. I liked that they ended up using UNA's blood. That's kind of a nice callback to some previous episodes from previous seasons of her blood having superpowers there.

32:26 So yeah, oh oh, and then I guess last but not least, I I you know, I've said this in past seasons before. Who I like the new Robert April very different, you know, looking from the April that we got in the animated series, and yet I just really dig his character and I like that they're digging into this character a little bit, and the whole interaction between him and Pike kind of arguing back and forth about yes, but our people are in trouble. Yes but the Federation, Yes, but we need to save them. Yes, but we've got a fleet, you know, like all of that kind of stuff I think are the discussions that would happen in reality, right, Like you got some fleet admiral here who's got to keep track of like big picture stuff, and Pike's like, yeah, but my people are in trouble, yo, we got to go save them. So I just really like that part of this episode. There is one scene in this episode that I did not like at all, and unfortunately it was the very last scene. So in the very last scene, Pike goes to Battel and you know, she's in bad shape, and there's the cute moment where he's like, okay, dad, and he starts saying that our father in order to like pray to sort of you know, get her back up to snuff. That's not the part that bugged me at all. Like we all know, well I don't know

33:56 if we all know or not, but like Pike has this like Catholic background that has been hinted in in a couple of previous seasons. Most people think that Star Trek doesn't have religion, but in fact it does have religion. We've seen people in h jobs in lower decks. We've seen Pike expressing his Catholic background. Here, So that part does not bug me one bit. The part that really bugs me about this last scene is you've got Battel totally passed out, and then Pike comes and kind of like wants to spend some time with her. And when she wakes up, what happens? Does Pike end up taking care of her? The woman who literally just went through processing Gordon eggs through her body, and like, no, she actually ends up taking care of Pike in the last scene.

34:51 And that to me is just kind of like playing right into this hole like women should take care of their men and that kind of stuff. So I just really the last scene just bugged me to an nth degree. I was thinking, through this whole thing, man, this is great action, this is great, Like I love this thing. I love all the character interactions, blah blah blah blah, this and that, and then that last scene happened. I was like, you know what, that knocks a solid point and a half off of my voting right there into a tradwise Yes, absolutely, and it really was very anti Star Trek to me. Yeah, so I.

35:31 Agree, yeah, because I mean, when I, you know, have absorbed Gorn eggs, I'm just gonna be lying down. I'm not going to be, you know, loving on my mys and she was, well, that was the thing that bugged me too. It's like she just she almost died. She was this close to death and she's sitting up and she looks good and her hair and everything. You know, Pike, pict your hair later, bring me something from the bar now bit before? Okay, yeah, so that last scene super bugged me. So so you know, I enjoyed this episode, There's no question. I thought it was a really good conclusion to that first part. But I really can't give it more than about a seven point five.

36:16 All right, excellent, Why don't mind jumping in next if that's cool, I can do that real quick and then we'll continue on. I enjoyed this episode quite a bit. I mean, this is the build up right after a long period of time, not quite two years but almost right that we've waited for a resolution to this story, right, and two parties. This is really the first official two parter that we've ever had involving an end of the season cliffhanger on the Strange New Worlds. Right, So it's it's interesting to process it. I do feel that Hegemony Part one is a stronger episode. I think that it's it's more well directed. I think that is a super tight lug nuts tight script Part one is. I mean, it really is just amazing. They set things up really really well, and it's just super compelling and exciting the whole way through. And you got to see great thing we were talking about this last week, right and see like the gorn and the spacesuit and all that crazy stuff. Right, it was really well done and very fresh and original in a dynamic episode.

37:18 This was a good one. But I feel like this setup was better than the resolution in some ways. But there's still a lot of stuff in this I like. I like the fact that the way that Mount's playing Pike is he's a fully rounded individual and he's willing to let himself do things that a lot of times I think other Starfleet captains would take him to the task for right, That he's willing to have a personal relationship with somebody, right and not just like you know, keep that at a distance. He's willing to to care and to break the rules to say, somebody who cares about it, and not just his girlfriend, but for other mens members of the crew. Right, It's just like He's willing to do these things, and I find it very refreshing that he's got that human.

38:06 Aspect of things. He really values trying to care the people he cares for, and I really like that aspect of him very much. It's very compelling the tells down there in Sick Bay. And I like the fact that just because Ma Benga is one of the missing hostages, that Chapels kind of, you know, assuming there's no other doctors on the ship, which is a bit of a stretch. You know, Chapel's got to basically assume the mantle of doctor, and you know, Pike sends Spot down to help her, which is just you know, convenient, yes, but a great way to We want to see these two back together again, which we've not seen for a while, right, And and they're exploring, you know, some time has passed and their relationship is seemingly ended, and it's awkward and it's interesting, and I thought that was a really interesting scene to have played out.

38:56 And I, like everybody else, I found their solution involved using you know, kind of off the books blood from Una to be compelling. I'm sure that's going to pay off down the road, right, And we'll see more about that hopefully. But I thought that was really good now as opposed to be Okay, I'm like, you know, baptized in the blood shower of horror movie fandom, right, so I have no problem with the Gore stuff. I'd love it. I love it. I think it's really fun. I really like the design of the Gorn ship interior. Alah. I thought that was really cool, right, where the digestion tubes and everything like that, because it's it's clever because from one thing, you're like, well, you think of all these people in the Gorn captivity, the Gorner, bloodthirsty reptiles. They shouldn't last five minutes, they should be dead immediately, right, So they slowed down that threat by putting them into like this digestion mechanism, right, which buys them more time for things to happen, as opposed to them just being you know, eaten, like you know, a bucket of chicken, which was what I was initially expecting, right, So I think that I think that was really clever, and the design was really cool.

40:06 Right. They're all grossed out, they're throwing up as they release them things, and and I think it's, uh, you know, Sam Kirk who finds the the gun and the like the ship pile. Essentially it has to like you know, you know, but it still works. Essentially, it's like all the stuff that couldn't be digested, right, So I liked all that stuff a lot. I thought that was really clever. I lost some points for the convenience of Captain Bottel being allergic to the you know, surgical procedure that would have made it to you know, I thought that was really kind of like, oh, yeah, she's allergic, the one thing that could have you know, out there. So Paul, when my wife and I watched this, were like, why don't they just put her in the transporter buffer? Isn't that what they did with them Benga's daughter.

40:48 Yeah, Yeah, good point. That's fine. Yeah, because writing yeah, and it's like it's a it's a And again it is not a real world fans. I'm sorry to have to be the one to remind you of this. It is a television show. It is you know, and the only person that is God and that you know that has to answer the can is the person getting the paycheck for the Greenland. So just don't know, it's Cannon's going to get broken left and right as that you were in the Napoleonic Wars. There's that many broken cannons everywhere, So there, why this. And why does sod need the starship anyway? Right, but anyhow, we'll move on. But so that that bothered me, and I, like a lot of other folks, I did find the and a lot of it is just because yes, this is set part two of a bridging season finale, and that immediately brings to mind Best of Both Worlds, which was, you know, an infamously famous two parter and considered to be one of the great next Gen episode arcs. Ever, it established the framework for successful two parters that they went on to do throughout the length of that show. And yeah, they basically did the same trick that they did to put the Borg to sleep in that episode, and they're set part two.

41:58 That they did here. Oh well, you sort of a light thing to trick to the Gorn and make them think that it's time to go back into hibernation again. I mean, it's clever enough and it solves the problem, but it is really like pretty impossible to ignore for me, So it doesn't it's. The biology of the gorn much more than it fits the biology of the borg. Yeah, it didn't bother me, but it just felt really duplicative. Right, I'm like, we've really seen this before. I mean, it's uncomfortably similar, right, So it's just and you know, it's it's hard to ignore. It's hard to look away from that. And I've seen a. Lot of other people reference it's almost every Next Day review that I ran into as well. So it's just it just it just kind of was like, Okay, you kind of broke the wall from me there a little bit, but I still found it really interesting and entertaining. Again, I just wanted to be a little bit better, a little bit tighter, and I just think it was just the direction was more solid. But I can't really fault the cast, the guy playing Scottie. More of him, please, I would like to see much more Scottie. And you know, yeah, I think I'll just leave it there in terms of that.

43:11 He's a welcome edition. I think he's doing a great job and and I'd like to see where this goes now. That we go here. It'll be really interesting. To talk about the second episode in a bit and what we how we jumped from one episode to the next and the shift of tone. But on the whole I thought this was generally pretty good. It's great to be back with these actors again, and and for the most part I found this a welcome return. I would I would land it at an eight. I think would be my score for this episode. I think it's pretty fair judging from comparing it to the first part one, So. I think an eight for me is great. Where do you stand on the borg Shenanigans, Charles, Actually.

43:53 The boor Shenanigan bit didn't bother me. I meant, Gore, I've been having. Well, okay, same four for litter words didn't really bother me that much on it. One of the things that I thought was looking at It's like, okay, we're doing with a binary star system. Okay, well I've seen oh I can only think of one time I've seen a binary star system in Discovery. Then I went start looking up. It's like, okay, never mind, I'm not putting that in Cadet review. There are too many, too many binary star systems in Star Trek to list them. In fact, I did not realize that Volkan actually has a trinary system.

44:51 One of the reasons. I talked about Hellia in the novel. Eric will know a little bit on this. Helli was a core teacher when she was at the academy. She was very demanding. The one that she I truly dealt with was Una was her student, and I was finding some trouble, but very demanding to what she had to go through. And I think Scotty slacked off a bit in her class, but she's got a demanding class, and I think that showed here of how she kind of is.

45:36 She kind of pushed Scotty to a point. And I think we see Scotti here. The lieutenant is a little more skittish, and I think we show the fact that Scotti was a young lieutenant when he came on board, and by the time he got to kirk Era, I think he came a lot more confident and I lot really known as stuff. So it's interesting, I think going to see some of that progression that we might see with Scotty. I thought the interesting in the medical area where they sit there and run ideas through the computer.

46:22 Let's do this street drug. Oh, let's see the street drug would work, And as they're discussing it, the computers trying it out and it's like, yep, it's one hundred per death on it. It's like, so it's interesting how they kept bouncing ideas to how to cure the problem by putting it through the computer and the computer spitting out what it said's going to happen, and of course using the delirium blood gave on I think a fourteen percent chance. Let's think it's interesting how they bounce off those chances in there. As Eric said about the Bridge crew, I thought it interesting that Pike would ask the crew what they thought and get opinions about what we watched.

47:18 We try and so I said, we'll try this. So he said, we'll try this. It's like I saw that a couple of times, and I'd like the idea of him throwing out trying to get opinions from his crew. He values his crew members. Yes, I saw that chat comment. Yeah, that was That's what reminded me of Paul. That was that same idea of using AI to sit there and say, help solve your problems. Ah, definitely pushing them definitely, you can see I think there was pushing themselves into that binary star and trying to make sure they don't destroy the ship, which definitely put a good edge of your seat choice on there, which I thought was good. Definitely.

48:14 I had recommended with people last week that's like, okay, what's the best way to watch this episode the first time is watch part one and part two together and see what happens. It wasn't a year for Best of Both worlds. It was about two about three months summer break, so they finished in June. We hid in. This September. That three months still back when we didn't have the internet was a big wait. This time we had the internet and we waited. I think I looked up twenty almost twenty three months. They finished in June last I forget what I said. I think they finished in They finished at one point last year August of last year, and we got back in July or not last year year before, So it was twenty three months. That's a long span to be waiting between seasons for Star Trek.

49:26 So I ain't Di did a pretty good job with it. The I didn't see the boor Gorn comparison in there, so I guess I could see it, but it's not something that really bothered me. It's like, Okay, they found a way of dealing with it, and we won't see the Gorn again. Hopefully we'll not see the Gorn again until Kirk's era, or maybe not, but that's a discussion for next episode. I'm gonna give this one a good, solid nine. I rarely enjoyed this one.

50:14 All right, yep, that would be me and and Leyah here. Actually Anakin's here too. Leya is going after Anakin. That's why you're seeing all this activity here because the wife decided to put both the cat and the dog in the studio with me. Don't ask me why, but both here. So all right, let's start off with I really got Aliens vibes from the inside of that ship. When all the Goring were crawling across the ceiling. I was thinking Hudson and Aliens and shooting him down off the ceiling. I loved it, though, didn't didn't take me out of it, but I was just thinking, Wow, that's that's some alien action right there. The digestive tubes, how creepy. I don't think we've ever seen anything like that on Star Trek before, have we not? To my knowledge? Where they digest you alive?

51:08 I mean, we got the Starlac Pitt in Star Wars, but in Star Trek, I think that's the first time we ever saw people like melting alive, like like Ortegas's hand there, So that that was for Star Trek. That was a step, and I thought it was it demonstrated, you know, how dangerous to gorn really are. As far as putting him asleep. I have a theory. I hope that our good friend Andy Bray is listening because I think this addresses his Gorn skit. So they put the Gorn to sleep, right, And the first thing it came to my mind was this the Horda. The Horda had the one Horda that watched the Horda when there were babies, And I thought, okay, well, the old ancient Gorn and the rubber suit they went and work, you know, moved really slow. That was one of the old Gorn that didn't go to sleep, that stayed awake to the other Gorn while they were sleeping, and that that that's why we don't see these giant Gorn going around with these huge ships digesting everybody left and right, because they're all sleeping and the only one that's not sleeping is the ancient Gorn that's there to keep an eye on the sleeping Gorn, and I thought that makes sense to me.

52:18 I buy that, So, you know, that's where my brain went that the the ancient Gorn that Kirk fought was like a nurse made Gorn, a babysitter Gorn that was keeping an eye on the other Gorn while they slept. That's why he looked different, That's why he moved slow, and that's why we've never seen the Gorn again because they're all sleeping. So that's how my little brain turned around and justified that. I like that. That's what I came up with, so I really thought it was cool. Now, please someone explain this to me because I got confused. I watched it twice. I'm still confused. We got the binary stars right. The Gorn ships fly in between the Gorn.

52:58 The binary stars emanate an em pulse. The impulse comes out of the first star, a different polse comes out of the second star, hits the Gorn ship in the middle, and then the Gorn ship like beams to a pocket universe or something. It disappears. Where does it go? I mean, I didn't understand that. Where did all the board go? Well, they what they did, Jim, was they showed us all of the stuff that leads to the front door of the Gorn Home World, but they didn't actually show us the Gorn Home World. So I think the answer is that we don't actually know as a result of this episode.

53:39 So when they disappear, they're going to the Gorn Home World. Yeah, I mean they mentioned in this in this episode that they think they've discovered. Pike says something like, is it the Gorn Home World? And but we only see two stars? We never see a planet, and so my head cannon on this is that there's some other planet there that is either in a pocket universe or like the only way you can get there is by going between these two stars and kind of arriving based on the energy that's generated by the two stars. I don't know if that's true or not, but clearly they didn't show us the planet. But Pike mentions that he thinks it's the Gorn Home World.

54:25 Right, I mean, it didn't bother me. I was just trying to figure out, like, was the Gorn Home World the two stars or was there another planet we didn't see? So obviously we just didn't see it. So but that's okay, that's we don't need to see it to know that they're sleeping away, nice and comfy in their little goring cave somewhere. So that I mean, I personally think it's better that they didn't show us, Like I always think, Star Trek does a better job when it doesn't take you all the way there, But it leaves a little bit for you to kind of conjecture about. It generates conversation, it generates interest. So I'm glad they didn't show us the Gorn home world. Yeah, it wasn't necessary, but I really liked what V said.

55:06 I liked I liked Ortega's flying the ship. She is I fly the ship and she's got a half a hand melted off there and she's bleeding all over the console, but she flew the ship and I thought that was, you know, give her character the moment. I also liked her back to the my Aliens thing again. I know everybody has seen Aliens her when they were coming up with the plan and she's and they're in the digestive chamber and she's saying she's coming up with all these comments. The first thing I thought of was, you know, all the comments that Hicks makes and Aliens, you know, stop your drop your linen and stop your grin in. He gave over man, gave over man. And I thought, you know, Ortegas is is Hudson from Aliens. She's coming up with all the is this is this a good plan? Is this?

55:52 Are we gonna die here? What kind of plan is? I just I liked her little her little one liners with George Kirk. I thought those were right. All yeah, Paul was right, she kicks asked. In this episode, she took control and she wasn't going to sacrifice any of the hostage hostages, the colonists. We're gonna come back and we're going to get them all. She wasn't happy with breaking a few out of their cocoons. She wanted to get them all. And that I thought that really did a lot for her character. What else? And Benga, you know, he goes over and helps Ortegas and says, well, well we'll fix your hand when we get back to the ship, and sure enough he does so that you know, that was that was nice to see the Gorn. Let me ask you, guys, did you think Ortegas was gonna bite the.

56:43 Dust when when she's being held up because she's being like the gorn is holding her up. But I guess by the isn't there that scene where and then. By the spike through her gut? Yeah, yeah, I. Met through the gut. Yeah, I mean I didn't. I told so in that moment. I was watching this episode for the first time with my wife and she's like, oh my god, I don't want to lose Eric, and I was like, she's got plot armors, she's fine. Yeah, well she actually doesn't because Sulu's got to take over at some point, but not now. But I thought they were going to kill her. I really, I really did, Like they killed off Hemmer. I thought they're going to kill her off because between the hand, you know, disintegrated and whatnot, I thought, Wow, they're going to kill her off.

57:36 But I mean she's been a way more integral character to the show than honestly Emmer was. Like, and we've seen clips for season the upcoming season of episodes, we haven't seen yet the show. She's in it, So I mean, there was no way in my brain was thinking she was dead because it's like, clearly she's in the rest of the season. So I mean it's a dramatic moment. But yeah, but at the end it looks like she's going to have some and I can't blame her have some serious PTSD with being almost killed by that Gorn because you see that that moment with her. Oh you're jumping ahead episode two? There ahead ahead episode.

58:18 Am I? Okay? Sorry A good seg, good segue. Trouble When I do that, I get in trouble, so don't do so. Yeah. I I did enjoy this episode, and it was so nice to see Star Trek new Star Trek again after what seemed like an eternity of a wake. I do want to ask you guys, though, did you notice the Klingon battle cruiser in the new opening sequence? Oh? Yeah, yeah, I had to pose. I said, WHOA is that a Klingon? I could go back and pause it. They made a few little changes to the to the credits thing, which is good. That was a nice I noticed a Klingon right away, so I'm thinking, maybe maybe we're going to see some more Klingons. Maybe that's a sign of what's to come.

59:04 So I thought that was cool that the Klingon show up in the opening credits. So I thought that was. Me, they'll be singing kay pop right, Yeah, they were singing. They were doing clon that. So yeah, I I how did they save Okay, so let's talk about saving Captain Totel. What do you think about that? I mean, they didn't save Hammer mm hmm. But there's a possibility. There's like, didn't he he's like on that frozen world? Isn't that what happened to him? He jumped off the cliff and he's.

59:45 Just off the back of the starship about yeah whatever. Yeah, and so I saw So I mean there's a. U Patel's surviving just because Hammer goes right. I mean, I'm not like scorecard guy, right, whoam or they saved him, you know, because they saved Bettel. How come they didn't save Hammor. I mean, I don't want to look at it that way because that's you know, the two totally different stories. But I think it's probably good for Pike that she survived, right, because otherwise I think he was going to get down a very very very bitter road. Right. That was the thing was like they needed to survive for Pike to not like want to just die right based on his knowledge.

1:00:27 Of his because it would be the lesson would be never get involved with it with somebody else in unifactly, because that would be that would be for Card's lesson, right, he would say that, right. I mean, I feel like, you know, Pike is you know, violating a lot of the rules said, and he calls ortegas Erica, he calls her by her first name, what other captain on any other branch, and you know, you just don't see that that often in Star Trek. So so he's a bit of a rebel in some ways, right and more, which I think is nice. I like that about him. But I think it's good. I'm glad that she wasn't killed. I think that would have been you know, uh, you know, do you feel differently, Jim, would you rather she have been a casualty? No?

1:01:07 No, I just uh just the way they saved her, or did they, I don't know, We'll have to see. But I enjoyed it overall. I liked it. I thought, like Eric said, the action was great, the cgi was great. I thoroughly enjoyed it. I liked the I like the score as well. I thought the music was was well done. And uh, I can't think of anything really negative to say. About the episode really, except for what Paul said. There's only one doctor on the ship if I remember correctly on to Os, wasn't and Benga Bones's backup doctor, Like like you know, so yeah, I. Think that there's there's might be whole you know, this is colossally huge medical facility on the ship that we've seen, right, It's like, you know, bigger than an Apple store and Times Square. I mean, it's the biggest freaking you know, it's a few huge sick bay. Right, you're telling me there's one doctor on the ship, and like, okay, Christine, you better like put on your girl pants. You're gonna have to become a doctor now. It's just but the whole thing is, it's just the writing is just you need an excuse to get currents boked back together, and.

1:02:15 It's just it's just it's just writing. Right, And and if you're having a good time, I think you're willing to forgive that kind of stuff, right. Yeah, that that was fine. That was fine. So overall, you know, I'm I'm i gotta go with the nine on this one. I enjoyed it a lot. There was one thing Eric, was it Eric or Charles? It was saying, you have to watch him back to back. Who said that, Eric Charles? I don't know Eric Charles. When if you guys remember when when when we talked about Part one, the way it ended it made Pike look like an idiot because he's putting it. I don't know who said that, but it was an absolute, amazing cliffhanger. It was exactly on par with what we got with Best of Both Worlds. It was like, cafton, what do we do? And then it just fadesway. Doesn't make him look like an idiot, It just makes him look like he's making a decision now.

1:03:07 It makes him look it makes him look indecisive to me because he's sitting there, put his hand on his head, He's like, what should we do? When he's he's not making a decision, the Gorners swarm in the ship and he's doing nothing, and it ends. But one season when part two starts up, Part two starts right at that exact moment, and and he immediately goes to Spot, goes to Una, goes to Ahura, gets some opinions I want to do. So when you watch him back to back, you don't get that pause. They kind of edited that pause out so that my friends wraps up are brings New World. Uh, stop that review, all right, So we're gonna go into our polls. I'm not going to play the song again because we already played it. So we're gonna have Eric tell us a little bit about what the fans thought about this episode. And I have to go and break up Anakin and Lea because they're fighting underneath the couch. I'll be right back, all right, No, we're not, we're not.

1:04:12 I still have Cadet review in here. Jim wants to pass it on, but I still have Cadet with you through this episode, all right, all right, So strut off with Enterprise. They are the Voyages, Charles, what's the name of the episode you're talking about? Wedding? Thank you to the show. As we discuss wedding the Blues the first episode A discusses enterprises. The are the Voyages the season finale of Enterprise.

1:04:59 And the reason I mentioned that is because the creation of the creation of the Federation, which was twenty one sixty one, in which this episode they are celebrating the one hundredth anniversary, which occurring on twenty two sixty one. Going into spoilers Coos the Squires of Gothis, which we met Turlaine. Q. On the other hand, between tnv DS nine, Voyager Lower De Expert Card twenty three separate appearances LS What Little Girls Are Made Of? From season one where we hear about Roger Corby and then in this reference and I like it Highlight Zone, it's a good life. The Cornfield reference as a young boy with power will send you to the Cornfield as we kind of talk about a little boy having a bit of a sometimes having a bit of a temper tantrum. So, Eric, what did the fans think?

1:06:25 Okay, we've got some fan scores for Wedding Bell Blues, which is the name of the episode that we're talking about right now. Michelle Sparrow said ten out of ten with starry eyes. I want to gush, but I don't want to spoil anything. I'll just leave it at a love it with a livelong and prosper emoji. Thanks Michelle. Malcolm Wood said loved it eight out of ten. Rahim Samad said it was a seven until until you know who popped up. You know there's some grammar stuff there, but that gave it a ten. Holy smokes. Ryan started with a seven and then gave us a ten. Ultimately, I love that. Doc Savage, who I believe raised the first episode a one, also rated this one on one, so I just think Doc Savage maybe doesn't like Star Trek.

1:07:19 I don't know. John Graham said a six felt a bit flat after the energy of the first episode. I think John Graham probably likes movies like die Hard and Big Trouble in Little China. That's my guess. Karen Walker Atah said for me, the end made it a ten. It was a duality mix, a good one lane and cue that was very clever. I tried to read that, but really it's a thing you have to see. You can't really like read that and make it as funny as it is. Elizabeth Budex said about a seven, I felt sorry for Spock and changed my opinion of jess Ooh girl, I want to talk to you about that. Ashley Kill said, I liked it.

1:08:05 I would give it an eight. Unfortunately, I think it's not going to make anyone happy for the old timers. It's too much concentration on the crew romances. Is there such a thing as too much concentration on crew romances? For the new fans, it consisted too much of fans service, all right, fair Ashley fair uh. Mary Lukowski said a ten with an exclamation point. Whooh great story. Loved it, so glad it's back, and Martin North said nine magnificent with an exclamation point. That gives us a fan score of only seven point six, which is zero point nine less than we got for the last episode. So you know, there may be a certain amount of who responds to our polls involved in this. The one may have brought it down quite a bit. But I would love to talk more about this episode, said.

1:09:04 Well, I think that's what we're here to do, right Eric. It is. It is. As usual ladies can go first, so why don't you get a started. Yeah. I enjoyed this episode for a variety of reasons. First off, seeing well, there was one funny thing with Scotty where they offer him something to drink and he says, I don't drink no, thank you. Did you notice that? But I was. I harkened back to TNG with Data's day where he wants to learn how to dance for O'Brien and Keiko's wedding, and Spock is learning to dance from La On. Interesting thing. Christina Chong is a dancer in real life, just like as you all know, probably Gates mcfenn is a dancer. She's a choreographer, choreographed one of my favorite movies, Labyrinth, So that was neat to see.

1:10:11 And the I was not expecting, uh, the Berlaine guy, because I didn't know that was him at first, and then he gives you know, when he gives Spock that drink, and then next morning everything changes. I actually had to watch it twice because I didn't quite I missed the you know, I somehow blanked out and missed what exactly happened. But the thing that got to me that was just absolutely beautiful because it was it was Corby and Spock were the only two that knew that everything was screwed up. And so when they're having that wedding that Stock knows that he's not going to marry Christine, but he reads this the first stanza of it's called a love Sonnet eleven from apparently a very premiere Chilean poet by the name of Pablo Neruda, and it just absolutely beautiful. It's not overtly sexual, but it's definitely hot and very romantic, so you can look it up if you want to read the rest of it. But in that moment where he reads it to Christine or he says, recites that first stanza because Corby and I missed the part where he read the same one to her. But she cries as Spaka is reading it to her, and I don't know if she somehow knew that by reading this or

1:11:47 reciting this poem that Spack was revealing his feelings, he was laying bare his feelings for her. So that one got me. And then finally at the very end when they are dancing, I was not expecting one of my favorite songs from Wham to play. That was great because I had mentioned before I used to one hundred years ago. I was a competition ballroom dancer, so anything with dancing I love. And that was a great song to dance a good swing too, So absolutely loved it. So I have to disagree with Doc. Don't invite him, I guess to any Star Trek viewing parties. I don't know. Uh, kind of a bummer, but I really enjoyed it. Oh and then forgot when Trelaine is being called back home, who voiced his father.

1:12:50 John yep. So that goes back to the whole thing with was Plaine and q as Q. Would you know all that, that whole uh that theory? So I would. I don't know if I'm it was a ten for me, just I just I really enjoyed it really good. So I got to tell you a little story here, V because I love to tell stories, because that's what I do better. So, way way way way back season one of TNG, my wife and I went up to a convention that Syracuse and John Delancy was there. William Campbell was also the yeah right, and so was Tashi Denise Crosby. She had just died off on TG, that's how early it was. And at that convention, John Delancy told us that William Campbell was a que and was his son. And this is way I'm talking a long long time ago in the Galaxy Far far away. He said that at a Star Trek convention. I was there.

1:13:53 I heard it, and now, all right, we know it's true because pretty much that that's what they said in the episode. So I just wanted to throw that little story out there. I was there when John Delancy said that, Paul, you want to jump in here. Next happy to Uncle Jim. Thanks. Yeah. I love this show for a lot of different reasons. I like the fact that they are able to bounce around with different tones. We talked a lot about that during our recap episode last week. Right, It's like they can do it really great. You know what a way to come back after a long hiatus, right if you give us an exciting, thrilling you know, seat of your pants auction picture. Right, I recognos me too well, but then you have this wonderful dose of comedy following. So a really shift of tone. Right, And so we're talking here about wedding. Bell Blues is the intro, right, And we're showing up at a star base right for this big, fancy special occasion, right, Federation Day, And and basically everyone's kind of thrown back together almost in like a Shakespearean comedy type of environment, right at a wedding as the event it's turned around from what we were expecting it to be, and everyone's sort of taking stock of their you know, their various stations in life, past, present, future, right to celebrate this Federation milestone, but then changed at the advent of an unexpected guest, right, and I'm a

1:15:24 big fan of what this show has done in the past when they try to mount comedy in more comedic episodes. I know we have a couple of them season, which is great. I felt this one for me did not really land well though, and I did the tone didn't work great. I have no. I like Rice Darby a lot. I think he's a really good performer, right, I think he's very funny. I've been enjoying his work since Flight of the Concords, right. But again, it's just I found the familiarity boring for me. It's just like, we're give me something new that I haven't seen before, right, and but here we are, even without him being spoken by name, trundling out like Trelaine. Yet again, I'm like, it just was I was. I was kind of like, oh, this is what we're doing. Oh that's it. Huh So yeah, I'm not, you know, I'm the folks on the show will know that. You know, I don't take great delight in recognizing something that I've seen before. Oh that's Trelaine.

1:16:29 I recognize that. Therefore I should be I should like it, and I am not. That way, recognition of something is not enough to give it standing. What did you do with it right? How did you make it fresh? Why did you make it matter other than it seeming recycled? And for me this felt really recycled, right. I felt that there was a real jarring tone. It was really awkward Spock showing up in the bar and you know, when she's there with her new boyfriend. It was just like painfully nails on the chalkboard awful, which I as it was supposed to be. But it was kind of. I know that, but it was was uncomfortable as a viewer, As a viewer assessing written drama or comedy, I was just like, this is not working.

1:17:13 I'm finding it really jarring and not and just didn't work right. I did not care for this iteration of Rodrick Korby very much. So yeah, my bottom line assessment would be, you know, wake me up before you know no no, right, I mean this, and I mean I literally if you had a picture of my face when the Wham song came on, I mean just the glaring. I'm sure somebody jumped up in a writer's room meeting and suggested that they played that song. I thought it was just a falling choice and really uncomfortable and just glaringly sacram So yeah, I would have there were a lot of things that work good individual scenes. I don't really fault the performers there. I think it was a terrible choice and that had a great right. I don't want to discourage them from doing comedy, but it just a lot of it landed really awkwardly for me on.

1:18:09 The whole. Look on everybody at the just accepting everything that they've seen. It just you know, I don't know, it just didn't sit well with me. I mean, maybe I'll like it better on a second viewing. But again, I like the fact that they do comedy. I think I would probably give it a seven, but you know, that's as high as I can go. A Wham song was just oh god, I just wanted to leave the room suddenly. Yeah, it is a great song. If it's nineteen eighty four and your dance. Paul forgets that people still listen to Beethoven. Yeah, you forget that people still listen to music that's four hundred years old.

1:18:51 You know, cream corn is great v but I don't want it in my ice cream sunset, right, It's just it's just because it's great doesn't mean it belongs to here. So yeah, I'd give it a seven. I was very uneven for me, and and you know, I, you know, part of me wants to score it lower because it was just not I just felt it. Was the like you and you and Doc need to get together. I don't think so. I think it's a big difference. I don't want on a seven. But I know I. Have standards from my critical assessments, and everything has to match the same standards, sure, right, and they do and and I just you know, they're not the same as everybody else's. But and that's fine. But for me, this was awkward and a little tone deaf. So I am hoping for better on their next comedic outing.

1:19:47 You know what I was like following me that that one, that one, that one score on the last episode that lady gave it a nine point nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine. And I know how much you love decimals. I just like people to commit, right, It's just that's just it, right. It's like, you know, it's like, find me any critical That's my point is, find me any movie review article, TV show article, any critical thing anywhere. Show me somebody who rates something by a point, it's abc D, it's one, two, three, four five and planetarily nobody, nobody uses that decimal rubric. So it just makes us look, you know, like we can't really commit to, you know, making an opinion. It's like we have to waffle, and I just don't like so it's just me. Nobody else has to do it that way. It's just my own thoughts.

1:20:40 But that's fine. Yeah, I don't like why more of a pancake kind of guy than a waffle kind of guy. All right, Charles, do you want to jump in here? Next body? Okay, this did have some kind well, okay, quite a few things of this episode. I thought it interesting that it took me to watchings to catch one of the things where Pikes sit theres and said that the wedding plan is an Adrian. And it's like, it took me two scenes to understand the line, because whether you while you see Laine as an irishman, if you look at his pad when he talked to Spock the second time I talk talk about the wedding, you see his reflection as an Andrian, but not as a irishman. But then I think I thought I saw in the bar scene when we first see him, we see his reflection in the table, and he looks a lot more young, and yet we look in see him later, we see him in me after and hethings older. So I think they were trying to drop hints there about him not being who he appeared to be. I thought Ortega's definite fight scenes,

1:22:19 I think interesting to see her anger. We always see about her, always in control of making sure she runs a ship. At this point she was showing up with a lot of anger. And the reason I said at the end of the last episode that I hope is the last time we see the Gorn, But when we see her at that final scene after the wedding, after the dance, and she's sitting there looking looking out out in the stars, and we see that Gorn behind her, So I think it's interesting that I wonder if we're gonna have a chance with the Gourd again. So I'm kind of hoping we don't. Yes, I think spot I say I didn't mind the Wham scene, just that I didn't mind the Beg's song and discovery m hm. But hey, I look at like, oh, we're gonna go into some classic old old rock. It's like, Okay, hey, that's fine with me. They still have an interest in music other than a movie where they decided to go with punk rock.

1:23:49 But I like the fact that Spock was uncomfortable. I think we needed Spock uncomfortable with this and how his pocket snapped out of it is because he started getting a chance with emotion. And I think that's why Christine came out, because she started getting a burst of emotion and that knock the spell of Treuline had created. But that.

1:24:30 The little relationship between her and the brother was interesting. I'm not sure how far that's gonna go, but we'll have to see you on that team. So the episode, I'll give an eight. It was good, but it needed some work and I'm not sure we really need terline back. Okay eight from Charles, how about you? Eric?

1:25:10 Okay man. I think that generally speaking, I'm falling way more on the side of the on this episode. I found this episode to be absolutely delightful. I watched it twice and I kind of wanted to watch it a third time after I watched it. I love the whole setup. I love the fact that there's a a kind of like fanciful wedding that's happening, and that we are living out Spock and Chapel's kind of dreams. In this one, I feel it was very similar to you know, Subspace Rhapsody and the episode with am Benga's daughter from a previous season that I can't think of the name of right now. So many like the writing in this episode I thought was fantastic. There are so many great little jokes, little things that kind of come up that made me giggle while I was watching it. Just the very beginning where Spock's trying to choose between the blue uniforms like brought me, brought me right into the episode. I will say that I think Ethan Peck one of the things that he does very well as Spock that I that I almost feel like no other Spock actors have done.

1:26:32 And maybe it's been because the writing hasn't allowed them to do this, but he does a smile without doing a smile better than anybody. You kind of see his elation. I don't know if it's a change in the shape of his cheeks or his eyes or what it is, but like you look at his mouth and it's not turned up, it's not a smile, and yet you can totally tell he's smiling. And I feel like this episode gives us several instances of that, which I just found to be absolutely delightful. We get a new character, we get this ensign, this medical ensign introduced who. I don't think they actually ever say his name. I didn't actually spend time on the internet trying to figure out what his name is, but clearly they spent writing time introducing this character and saying that em Benga really likes him.

1:27:24 So I don't know who that is, but I'm very interested in his character. You know, I think everybody who's reviewed the episode so far except maybe V said Trelaine. Maybe V did say Trellaine. But but okay, So so from TG, we've got Q right, and we've got the return of John Delancy's voice here. We already know there are multiple cues, right, TNG gave us Q, they give us the female Q, they give us Q two whose ques son? So I'm not convinced that Rhys Darby is playing is specifically playing Trellaine here. Yes he dresses the same way, Yes he has kind of the same uh you know, uh sort of like attitude towards having fun with people that that would make it feel recycled maybe a little bit. I don't know. I almost wondered if he was like a like a brother or a cousin.

1:28:29 My point is that there are multiple cues out there in the universe. There's a whole Q continuum out there. So yes, is he a que one hundred percent? Is he Trelaine? Yeah? Maybe not. Maybe young cues have a tendency to be flamboyant, have a tendency to be mischievous, have a tendency to want to like interfere in people's stuff so much in the same way we got several Q episodes throughout the chorus of Next Generation, I've I actually loved the return. I thought Rhys Darby did a great job of playing this character. The fact that they made him a wedding.

1:29:10 Planner was absolutely amazing, Like he was doing all the things that a wedding planner would would do, and like almost to like the nth degree of making it a little bit trophy. So I just I don't know, I just really like that. What else, let's see, Uh, there's the nobody's talked yet about the interaction between Ortegas's brother and Uhura. I thought that interaction was really amazing. In fact, this entire episode is kind of laid against this backdrop of multiple romantic iterations. Right, We've got Pike and his girlfriend Battel, We've got a budding relationship, and I don't think do they have her name or Tegas's brothers and name. I can't think of what his name is. If I googled it, i'd probably find something, but I don't think they. I guess what I would say is that if you're going to introduce a new character that has a main art in an episode, you should say his name a couple of times so that actually people kind of get used to knowing who he is. I have no idea. I watched the episode twice.

1:30:22 I still have no idea what the guy's name is. But the interaction between him and Uhura I thought was really cute. There's that episode where the three of them are walking down the corridor together and they're sort of flirting with one another, and the Ortegis is like, absolutely not, this will not It's just like I love that. I just really love that scene. In general, let's see uh okay. Regarding the kind of like trelineness of this character. So when they get towards the end of the episode and it's the actual wedding and and they're kind of revealing who he is, and he starts, he starts kind of freaking out about like how he's going to kill people and he's going to start with the dog. Everybody dies except the person in the back who has no mouth.

1:31:20 They can live. That to me just kind of up to the anti on the childishness of that type of a character. I think we get some of that in the in the you know, Squire of Gothos. Obviously they try and drive that home, and it just kind of for me, I think some folks are seeing this as kind of a rehash of that story. I was seeing this as a upping the anti on that kind of story. Like we put it against the backdrop of a fantasy wherein Spock is getting married that didn't happen in the first episode, right the whole like Roger Kirby Chapel thing that didn't happen in the first episode. So to me, this was a just a really fun episode that I've watched twice that I want to watch again. Like Honestly, I don't want to watch Hegemony two again. I feel like I kind of got that episode the first time I watched it. I've watched this one twice, and it makes me want to watch it again much in the same way Subspace Rhapsody did. So to me, that makes a really good episode of Star Trek when I just kind of want to keep going on it, and I noticed the things the second time that I watched it.

1:32:32 I got more delight the second time that I watched it. So yeah, I mean, just so many great lines the whole like you can't sleep try counting troubles, you know, It's just like it's like so many great, cute little lines. So I found this episode really cute, really delightful. It made me laugh. It finally put to bed the whole thing of like sexual tension between Spock and Chapel. I think we're done with that story now, which I'm super glad about because I feel like we've we spent enough time on that. So yeah, I I gave this one a nine. I liked it way better than Hegemony two, and and I'm gonna go watch it again when we're done here.

1:33:15 Excellent, excellent, so nobody talked about Lieutenant Erics. Well, I wanted to talk a little bit about her, like the like Okay, so, Jim, I would love to hear what your theory is. Oh, she is, because I have a theory too. You know. Uh, the last time I think we've only I think we only ever saw an Adosian on t O S I believe. I don't think we've the animated series. Yeah, yep, I. Think we saw him in uh lower decks. If you talked about them, all right, that's another animated series.

1:33:58 So I think this is the first time we've seen him seeing one live action, and I thought it was great. I thought they did it a great job. And I love the way that she was making the drinks with three arms. But the Jim, am I wrong. The the arm was in the back instead of out of the front of the chest. So there's a little bit of like change there. Yeah, the arm was in the back or was her head turned? I'll have to go back and round. No, no, no, her arm was clearly coming out of the middle of her back, and Erics's arm was clearly coming out of the front. Of his chest. It didn't really like take me out of it, but there's a big change there in terms of the anatomy of an Adosian. Maybe it's gender, you know what I'm saying.

1:34:39 What I'm saying is she Erics's mom. Maybe she's going to show up on the Enterprise. She's got a job now, right she we only. Get killed, We only we only met her for a few minutes. But a few minutes that we did meet her. I liked her. I like I liked what they did with their just for the few lines that she had. You offer me a job and uh, you know, Una and Piker like huh yeah, so you know we we I don't think this is a spoiler too much. Uh, Kurtzman did say, I read an article. We'll talk about it more and our next time we do Star Trek News, which will be next week, that they're going to be leading Strange New Worlds into a soft TOS reboot type of a deal. And if that's the case, having an Adosian on the ship would lead right into t AS.

1:35:36 Whether or not it's Lieutenant Eric's or his mom, whoever this other character was. I don't think this character had a name, but this. Could be All doesn't and Jim doesn't Tas happen after t O S isn't that years four and five? That's what they say, And you know, we don't know when this this reboot thing would be happening, but it seems like they're heading in that direction. But I like the character anyways, and I was glad that they put the character in there. It looked great. The CGI on that character looked great, her motion looked you know, was good, and I liked her interaction with Pike and it so that was that. I loved the Wam song. As soon as that song came on there, I loved it. And the one thing I was disappointed in was I want Pike is standing on the dance floor alone. Erica is standing at the table. The Wham song comes on, everyone gets up to dance. I wanted to see Erica dance with Pike. Instead, she went down and punched a punching bag.

1:36:41 Totally agree with you, Jim, But but what they needed to do in that moment was they needed to establish the fact that she's still got this PTSD from the corn tax. So like, I kind of wanted that too, But I understand why they didn't do that. Yeah, I understand it too, absolutely, But I was hopeing because Pike was kind of standing there. She was kind of standing there, and I was like, let's see it. But we did. I loved I love the Kirk or the Spock and on dancing, you gotta go loose, you gotta go loose, and she's trying to teach him how to dance and he's like, my shoulders are precisely at a forty five angle as you instructed, blah blah blah, and you know, I thought that was all great. And then finally at the end when they realized the wedding wasn't real, and she says, well, you came to your wedding to dance, let's dance and Spock was cutting a rug.

1:37:31 So I. Thought that was great. So I like that was that Trelaine? I gotta say absolutely, yes, I feel that that was Trelaine because the character was too to Eric's point, you know, every cue that we've seen has kind of been a cue of their own, whereas this particular one was too much. He said, tally ho, he dressed like Trelaine, he had the mannerisms of Trelaine. It was too close to that. But every other que week Jim was wearing a next generation uniform. Does that mean they all wear next generation uniforms now. In the next generation? Yeah, but I mean that's what I'm saying.

1:38:13 That's the only time we've ever seen one. He had a different outfit than he had in the Square of Gothos. Yeah, but that was sixty years ago. That outfits probably long gois. So you're saying that there can't be more than one flamboyant like Tralaine out there. There could be many of them, but you know, in this particular case, I'm pretty sure that that was Trelaine. And to the people that are saying it broke cannon, it was total crap. I'm going to give it a one. All right, few people are wrong, and let me explain to you why you're wrong. First of all, they never referred to the character as Trelaine to Eric's point, Okay, so they never actually said that, yes, this is Trellaine, so that doesn't break the cannon. All right. Secondly, if you paid attention, I think Charles mentioned this, the character does not appear to everybody as Trelaine. He appears as Trelaine to us, but to Pike it was an Andorian.

1:39:13 To Spock, it was it was a fulcan everybody stops somebody different? So you know when people exactly he was Trelaine. There's no doubt about it to me. But but people are saying, well, wouldn't Spock and Scotty have recognized him when they meet him later? No, because when they saw him, he appeared as something different, So that doesn't break the cannon. And the biggest thing, John Delancy's showing up. Nobody knows what John what Q's voice sounds like, but us as the viewers. So when he shows up and John Delancy's voice is being CUE, that's not breaking any cannon because he didn't appear as Q, and he never identified himself as Q. He was just a blowing light that shows up in space and takes the other are alien away.

1:40:01 He never shows up and says I am CUE, I'm here to take No, he never said that, so therefore you canon people. No, you're wrong, I'm sorry. Didn't break cannon in any way, Jim. So, Jim, let me ask you a question. Does this and I don't know the right answer to this question, does this episode canonize Trelaane as a Q? Absolutely? Yep, yep. I told you I was at a convention, and John Delandby told us at the convention that William Campbell was his son. This was and in Next Generation did John Delancy appear as an energy ball?

1:40:46 He appeared in an encounter farpoint. He was a waving ball. Wasn't he with three with three heads or something? I thought he was? He was in that your costume with the and on the. Century thing. Yeah, yeah, I don't un I'm not so sure. I don't like, I don't not think Trellaine is a cue. But I'm just wondering if this episode did the deed of actually canonizing that. I feel like it was like, it's pretty close, but not really. We all know John Delancy is the Q, right, I mean, is anyone here going to debate that?

1:41:29 Yeah? But people have have voiced multiple characters, like, I mean, clearly that's what they were going for, right, Like, that's clearly what the writers were going for by casting him. Yeah, because they wouldn't cast anyone to do that voice they could have. Yeah. Well. The thing is the reason that I looked up and said, Okay, it's Terraine is because I watched the episode and finish it, went straight to IMDb to see about those two characters, and it's was that John Delancy? Yes, that was John Delancy and then the other one was credited as Trelaine slash q Jr.

1:42:11 So I am the edits AMDB Charles's IMDb? Is it the people who write the shows? No, it's not. It's fans. I think fans. Fans do Wikipedia. I don't do fans do IMBD. As well, Paul, do you know who edits IMDb? It depends. I mean it actually depends and varies widely from the show. Right, it's not a it's not a fan edited and maintained situation. Typically users. Yeah, well, I mean like a lot of times, for example, like if you're like, okay, pick a director like Christopher Nolan, right that their page is their page and their content is their continent.

1:42:57 And you have some actors. Who are like religious, like Todd Stashwick for example, would be a good guy to pick. Right, That guy is all over updating everything. As soon as he gets cast for a role, it's going to show up on his IMDb page as being upcoming. Right. So usually people monitor their own stuff typically, So I would say probably, I mean I would be stunned if there's not somebody at Paramount, whose job it is to maintain all of the Star Trek IMDb footprints and religiously update them. So I think it's just, you know, I think it's anything's possible, clearly in this crazy, fucked up universe we live in.

1:43:37 But I think Eric is like the. Man John don Quixote outlier who does not accept this. And I think literally the entire planet has and has accepted this, and I think he's like, but wait a minute, I still think it could be another car. I stand by my decision a few goods. That I'm wrong. I think it will be fascinating to read to ask this question again in like six months and see where everyone's at. Yeah, that's when I will be proven right, Paul, You're right. I just want you know you guys, I just I just got to point someone out. This movie right here above my head, right there, that's the best Star Trek movie ever, this one right here, especially this post aside.

1:44:19 Literally have to work that into every place. Are you talking about Star Trek seven point five? The Search for Talent paper once? And yeah, and by the way, you got to light blare. It makes it very difficult to read your posters. So it does. I don't even know what movie that is. It could be you know, you know Scanners too, You know, it could be any that was an awesome movie too. Tell you what John Delancey is supposed to be at that New Jersey con. I will see if I can remember to ask him. I will say, for for everybody's sake, can you please tell us? And he'll probably tell you the same thing he told me, and I right, So back to my review of the episode before I was so rudely interrupted. So, you know, at first, I was trying to figure out what the hell's going on here? You know, it took me a while to catch on with what was happening. You know, I didn't like the Kirby guy either. He seemed out of place to me. He didn't seem to match up with the kreb Well, the Kirby that we know was an android anyways, but we don't know the real Korby because the only Korby we see is an android. But he wasn't Irish, and.

1:45:37 He doesn't really act like a scientist, does he. He doesn't seem like a brilliant cyberneticist at all. You know, I met you in a bar and I really enjoyed talking to Poetry, like, dude, how are you a scientist? I just I didn't buy him as Korby, But that wasn't enough to pull me out of the episode. I think Eric was right. I think we need to finally put arrest to this spot and chapel thing and move on because it's time. So I think that Corby was a way to do it. They did it, Okay, it's over. What else about the episode, I did think it was strange, though I don't know if it was Eric or Charles that said this. I thought it was strange that the wedding guests didn't seem to care that a guy just got turned into a dog. It wasn't an issue to that.

1:46:26 They were just like, oh, okay, and that you know this Andorian slash Vulcan whatever he looked like, was going around threatening to kill everybody, and they're like, yeah, okay. They just didn't seem to unless Trelaine Q had some type of hold over them. Maybe, I don't know. Their reaction didn't seem right, but Scotty was wearing a kilt and I thought that was cool. So, and they also showed that alien from season one that had the blue striped face on it when Bach and was it charades when Spock was human and had to negotiate a trade agreement with these people and they had to fly the Federation flag. Do you guys remember that episode? Those aliens were at the wedding, which I thought was cool that they remembered those aliens and put them in there, So kudos for that. Yeah, so I enjoyed it overall. I think Paul was right. We needed to We needed a break from all the death in Mayhem and craziness of the first episode, and we needed something like and they you know, they balance off of each other perfectly when you watch them back to back, which I think most of us did. You know, we didn't wait, you know, almost two years to watch one and say, oh, I think I'll go to bed and watch the other one later.

1:47:45 I think I think we all watched them both at the same time. So yeah, so my over score, I think I'll go with an eight on this one. I think I'll give this one an eight. And before before we go too far, though, David did record his scores for the episode, and I'm going to find them right now and I'm going to play them right now. So this was David's score for Hergenomy Part two. Maybe come on, stop being a nuisance. Here we go, Hey guys, miss me, I'll be back next week. But anyways, Part one and part two of Hegemony was very interesting. I didn't like the way that portrayed the going and hibernating beans. I guess some lizards actually do hibernate. But at the same time, Pike's responds to saying that she's going to be someone else's problem in the new future or far future is kind of weird, strange new world, I guess. Anyways, but yeah, this particular episode I enjoyed watch him side by side and I can't just can't. I have to be honest, So what is up with her hair? From part one to part two?

1:49:06 She somehow changed her hair in between. I know this is weird and strange to say it, but it's just kind of distracted me throughout the entire episode. I was just like, Okay, what what happened? Oh well, anyways, Scottie got kind of an interesting backstory on this episode and the next one, which I will be talking about here. But yeah, this particular episode, I have to give it a good I'm gonna give it a good seven out of ten. So that's my take on Hogumina Part two. All right, so David gave gave it a seven, and we have David's review also on Wedding bell Blues? Why is this thing not working for me?

1:49:51 There we go, So the wedding bell blues or wedding bluebells, I don't know. Yeah, So apparently this episode I was suspecting from back in the day when we shot a preview, we thought it was all cue ll Q being and we were correct, and I have completely forgotten about that idea that he was going to be a cue So when I was watching, I was like, why is he different to everybody else? I immediately thought he was a change lane for some other reason. I was like, okay, cool, But yeah, I thought this episode was an interesting take on Krby, and I honestly thought maybe Q was going to meddle in and turn him into an android or something, because that was what Ques would do, I guess. But it was interesting how they went along with the uh the Sheneti games. I guess you guys could call it too, of what a Q would do to the human being or the star Treker diverse. But it was really cool though.

1:50:53 When John Delancey's voice showed up, I was really hoping he would show up physically, but I guess they couldn't really make that word. So my. Uh take on this episode, I'm going to be given this one a seven as well, seven out of ten, but I will see you guys next week. Hair seven's from David. I think though that Ahora's hair didn't change until wedding bell Blues. Well, you guys, like, honestly, first and foremost, like talking about HER's hair and wondering why it changed is like wondering why people wear certain clothes. So clearly she has a very close cropped hairdo. Clearly she's putting on different wigs. Clearly, this is something that people do sometimes. They put on different hairstyles, They put on different things to change the way that their whole thing works. So if honestly, a different hairdoo pulled you out of the story, that's kind of ridiculous to me. Like, it's just a style thing.

1:51:58 It's no different from putting on a different shirt or putting on a different pair of shorts, putting on a different communicator. It's it's way out of line to me to be like, oh, it took me out of the story because she had different hair whatever, Dude, like, why does that even fucking matter? Honest? I think I think that. I think you're missing the point. I think the point that day as not trying to make I think so, I definitely think so. If you would let me talk, I'll tell you why. I think that. The reason, as I said earlier, they're moving towards the TOS episode, and I think Ahorror changed not Ahorror. I think they changed her hair to be closer to what Ahorror war on TOS, to show that they're moving closer to that, and for no other reason than that. That's all no big deal. So that's our scores from all of us and from our Truk Sperts and Charles. What does that put us with our truck Spurts and our fans.

1:53:00 This was definitely interesting scoring because for episode one, the host gaven eight point three and for episode two, the host gave an eight point two. Very interesting compared to the eight point five and the seven point six from the fans. Yeah, so we we didn't like, We didn't like hegemony quite as well as the fans did, but we like the wedding more than the fans did. And that's with Doc Savage given both episodes.

1:53:41 One. Yes, yeah, So there you have it all right, guys. So next week we're gonna be talking about a shuttle for ken Flora, which is the episode that's on tonight, So please go and watch that and don't forget to go to Trick Talking and Beyond and tell us what you thought about shuttle. You can fora give us a score, tell us what you thought, and look for a heart next to your name from your truly uncle Jim. And then you want to tune into Trek Talking next week because your opinion will be featured. I don't know, we don't have a name for that section Dan Dan scoring section right now. We're putting in under poles. But maybe we'll have to have Eric write another catchy song or something that we can do for that section. But for right now, we'll just call it Star Trek Poll. And I also have some new polls up over there too on our page, so you guys can go there and vote on our polls. And that's it unless anybody else wants to add anything before we wrap up.

1:54:46 No, no real quick I'm thinking with Ortegas at the end where she sees the Gorn, I think that's maybe setting her up for some issue in the future with having PTSD that will maybe interfere with her job where she can't fly the ship. I don't know, but I know that just really messed her up. So wait, can I just wait in on the hair thing? If I can, I mean, go ahead, Paul, Oh, I'm sorry.

1:55:27 I was just gonna say. Her hair is totally the same in the first episode, in the two parts, in the part two, right, it's the same. It's only in like the second episode that it's different. And at the beginning of that episode, Pike says it's been like what three months I think he specifically says, and now they're going to get you know, refitted and repaired from all that damage, and it's meant to just show time has passed and every single TV show on there they subtenly changed the look of everyone a little bit from season one. To the next. It's just you give the show a refresh, right little stylistic tweaks. How compare Pike's hair from season two, it's at least like an inch Tollerant. This is tollery freaking air. Right, So it's just meant it's a bit of a stylistic choice just to show is different, you know, and.

1:56:14 I love I loved her hair. I loved her hair. Yeah, it's it's pretty fabulous, right, I mean, it's just she said this really short, you know, kind of you know, slightly masculine haircut for like a long time. It's great that they're doing it, but to make a big thing out of it is a little you know, it's it's missing the point. Let's talk about story if we can, right, Let's talk about story, and like, you know what what what the show evokes for us? And yeah, it's it's so tempting with science fiction to get you know, belabored in these conundrums of of what you know, trivialities. And you know what I just thought of is the whole thing with Voyager and Jane Way's hair that was a whole thing in itself. Were quite a while apparently to where I don't think Kate mulgrew will even talk about it anymore, because it was like, you know, it's it's they were having meetings, Executives were having meetings over how her hair should look and she starts off with that updue and then looser and then she you know, looks looks more relaxed. But yeah, so that was a whole That's that's what I'm thinking, you know, And we don't want to we don't want to repeat the Jane Way hair thing.

1:57:31 Patriarchy. Oh my god. Yeah, yep. So we're gonna it's gonna be interesting next week. I think I'm excited to talk about next week. I think, yeah, next week, we'll have some our polls back, we'll have some Star Trek stories, we'll have some news, and uh, we'll have David back. So we'll have all kinds of videos and cool stuff to show. All right, guys, Well, I'm your most excellent host, uncle Jim saying, you know, start Trek fans are the best fans. Thank you for listening, and thank you so much to Paul for hanging out and trek talking with us tonight. Thank you so much, Paul. It's fun. You know, it's interesting to be back and doing our thing again, finding our way through this crazy show. And it's going to change, right, I mean, they're going to keep doing new things and they're gonna keep messing with us and sometimes we like it. But you know, I think it's really good though, that we often have a wide spectrum of opinions, right to me, that's you know, if we all had the same reaction, it would be kind of a snooze fest, right, So it's fun that I hope that we have different takes on things, right.

1:58:29 Absolutely agree. And thank you so much to Charles for hanging out and Trek talking with us as well. Thank you Charles, Oh, thank you everybody. This was This was fun to finally talk about this episode, these episodes because I've really gotten a chance to talk to really talk about these episodes with anybuddy. And thank you so much to v for hanging out with us tonight. Thank you Van and great ways. A pleasure, yep, always a pleasure. And I look forward to next week and have my combadge. Have your badge yup? Oh you'll get it. I'll be in the mail right now.

1:59:10 It is, Yeah, it is. And thank you so much to Eric for hanging out and Trek talking with us tonight. Thank you so much. Eric, You're bad. Thanks folks. And Dave is not here, but thank you so much for recording your opinions. We appreciate it, David, thank you so much, and thank you so much to you guys for being fans of the show. And we don't have the video to roll, so we're going to have to do it the old fashioned way, which is nothing's wrong with that once in a while. So I'm your most excellent host, Uncle Jim saying everybody, please stay safe and be good to each other. Remember Star Trek fans are the best fans. And this isn't working again. Come on, ah, that's what happens when Dave is not here.

1:59:56 Here we go, ready for departure, sir, some problem riker, just hoping this isn't the usual way ourmissions will go, sir. Oh no, number one. I'm sure most will be much more interesting. Let's see what's out there. Engage