July 27, 2025

Episode 647 SNW- Hegemony part 2 and Wedding Bell Blues review

Episode 647 SNW- Hegemony part 2 and Wedding Bell Blues review
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In this episode, Uncle Jim and his cohosts celebrate the new season of Star Trek and dive into a detailed discussion about the latest episodes of Star Trek: Strange New Worlds, particularly focusing on 'Hegemony Part 2'. They engage with fan reactions, explore character dynamics, and analyze the themes of sacrifice and leadership. The conversation also highlights community engagement through fan shoutouts and cadet training, providing a comprehensive overview of the current state of Star Trek and its impact on the fandom. In this episode, the hosts discuss the character dynamics and leadership style of Captain Pike, particularly in relation to his interactions with other crew members. They review the latest episode, highlighting themes of character development, humor, and cultural references. The conversation also includes fan reactions and scores, as well as a comparative analysis of the episode's tone and content. The hosts express their thoughts on character arcs, relationships, and the overall impact of the episode, concluding with predictions for future developments in the series. HIT IT!
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Now, we talk about the series.

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Going on the film now he's nothing about.

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Well, good evening. Treki's and Trek is around the globe.

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But it's Thursday, July twenty fourth, twenty twenty five. Welcome

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to episode six hundred and forty seven of Trek Talking

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Hard to Believe. You may have noticed the opening. We

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didn't have the awesome video because we're without Eric or

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without David today. And I'm hearing an echo. We are

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hearing an echo.

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I'm hearing like what sounds like an iron lung.

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I'm hearing everything just fine. Apparently I have Spearrior technology.

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Okay, then we won't worry about it. I don't know

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why I'm hearing an echo. We'll continue on. We're without

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David tonight, which means we don't have any videos, but

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we're not going to need him because we're going to

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be talking about strange new world. We have not one,

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but two episodes to cover, and it's been over two

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years since we did. So we have a whole show

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to do nothing but talk track and I think we

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can do it for sure. So before we get tomorrow,

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I want to introduce my awesome Trek Sports. We'll start

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off with VVS down in Virginia. She's wearing its uniform tonight.

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Welcome to the show.

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V just mind us my combadge. I'll have it next time.

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I promised, Well, we'll let it go this time, but

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only this time. And we also have with us. Charles.

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Charles is out Las Vegas. How you doing tonight, Charles?

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I'm doing good and enjoying it. A totally cooler weather.

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And no go sidings, not yet anyways, not yet, you

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never know. And we're going to swing out to Portland

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and say hello to Paul, a toy guy. How you

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doing tonight, Paul, you know, I'm good until Jim.

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I'm good, though a little distracted because, as I'm sure

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you all know, last night began the crazy four day

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fan dang though, that is San Diego Comic Con, so

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there is a near constant barrage of exciting news about

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anything geek related coming out on a merely hourly basis.

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I cannot even begin to tell you how distracting that is.

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I've only wish I was there. The next show will

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probably have lots of new images and not to new

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toys and all kinds of fun. Yeah, talk about and

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also in Portland of everyone, Eric, how you doing tonight? Eric?

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I am doing great, you all, Paul. I was just

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realizing that that San Diego is only like a two

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and a half hour flight away. Man, we should talk

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about twenty twenty six, because honestly, I've always wanted to

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go to that, and I just think it would be

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a good time. Charles, have you ever been to SDCC?

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Have not been, have not been there, but I've heard

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the last few years have been very chaotic.

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Very well chaotic. I can deal with.

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Man, He's like super crowd it, man, I mean there's

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a lot of there's a lot of waiting in line,

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you know, but but you know.

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Who is who is there is the tiny Chef. And

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if you don't know about the tiny Chef, does anybody

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know about tiny Chef? Tiny Chef is awesome. I love

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him so much. Yes he's there.

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Well, good luck getting a ticket. You have to you

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have to go into a lottery get drawn for a ticket,

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and then you have to get drawn. H then you

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have to go into a lottery and get a hotel room.

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On top of that, I got people I know people

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in people all right.

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Well, I hope your people know people that know people

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that can get you in.

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No, they just have rooms in their house.

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Well that works too, So uh, you guys can head

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over to trek Talking dot com and you'll find clings

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over there to our Patreon page which Charles runs, and

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for only two dollars a month, you can help support

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this podcast, so please think about doing that. If you

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don't want to do that, you can make a one

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time donation through PayPal and again you can find that

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link at trek Talking dot com. And why you're at

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trek Talking dot com, not only will you find links

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to all of our awesome podcasts and all kinds of bios. Well,

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we got to get one for Victoria up there at

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Posting one right. Yeah, all kinds of great stuff there

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that you can check out. You can link to our

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Facebook page which is Trek Talking and Beyond and you'll

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see a livelong and prosper post there and you can

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just tell us where you're listening from. And if you

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see a heart next to your name from yours truly,

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Uncle Jim, then you want to tune into the next

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show because you will be featured in a fan shout out.

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On tonight's show, we are going to be talking about

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Star Trek, Strange New World. It's back with new episodes

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Jeremy Part two and Wedding Bell Blues. We're going to

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talk about both of them, and it's been such a

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long time. We actually have fans scores for this episode

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we over and we also have training from Charles. So

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we're not going to have any birthdays and we're not

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going to have any news, but we have plenty of

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Star Trek to talk about. So without any further ado,

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what do you say? We dive right in and we

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do our fan shout outs and we don't have David

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to put the funky video up there, so we'll just

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pass it on right over there to Hearic.

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We don't need no funky video, Jim. So we are

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going to spin that globe right over to Europe and

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we're going to start this week with saying hello to

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Leonora Holland Hale, who is hailing see what I did

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there from Denmark, one of those countries I would love

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to go to. Actually, until our plans changed, we had

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a plan to go to Denmark this October. Now they've changed.

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I promise you twenty twenty six, Denmark, I will see

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you in Leonora. Perhaps we should meet up in a

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coffee shop. I don't know, it'd be nice to say hello.

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But thank you so much for supporting our podcast out

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there in that most amazing country. Also saying hello this

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week to Patty Schweriki, who is saying hello to us

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from Berlin in Deutschland, sending us that livelong and prosper

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icon emoji, etc. Which I know is exactly what caught

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Jim's attention. Berlin is a most amazing city, super cool

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architecture in that town, amazing history. Patty Schweriki, thank you

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so much for saying hello to us from there. Also

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just moving a bit to the left and up. We're

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saying hello this week to Hans Decas. Hans Decas, I

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can tell you're from Holland because you have two consonants

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in your last name. Thank you, Hans for saying hello

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to us from that most amazing country. I always like

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to talk about how Holland is more than fifty percent

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below sea level, just like they rule the world in

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terms of floating architecture, in terms of levy technology. It's

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pretty awesome. So Hans Deckers, thank you so much for

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saying hello to us. And I am going to also

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say hello this week to somebody whose name I'm not

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entirely sure is their actual name, but that's okay. We

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all get to choose our own names in life. So

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I would like to say hello this week to Delta Quasa,

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Delta Quaysar. I am saying hello to you over there

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in New type A City, Taiwan. It is so cool

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to know that we have tons of support for our

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podcast all the way out there in Southeast Asia. Delta Quasar,

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thank you so much for saying hello to us. Charles,

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would you like to bring it home to the US.

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Yes, I would, Eric, thank you a very warm. Welcome

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to David, a householder from Texas. Welcome David. Welcome Layson

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Mackenzie the third from central Florida. It's rather war in

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Florida right now. I've welcome to Terry Smith from Maryland.

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Welcome Terry. And welcome Tom Davidson from Ohio. Welcome Tom.

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Yee.

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Who's on your list?

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All right?

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First off, I have William Paul Castello from our wonderful

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neighbor to the north, Canada, and he's got quite the

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emoji line up here, two Canadian flags, a live long

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and prosper looks like a musty arm and a little

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face with sunglasses. So thank you for that, William. Next,

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I have Luke Best from Arkansas, so thank you for

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reaching out to us. Next, Max Lockwood, Michigan, USA, the

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Big Minton part of our country. Never been there, I'd

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like to go, as well as our next spot, Colorado,

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where j Stewart is saying hello, So thank you for that.

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Jay.

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All right, Paul onto you.

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Don't you just love it when you get a fan

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and their name sounds like it should be a fictional character.

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I mean, isn't that like the best part of this

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whole segment?

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Like, okay, Max, Max Lockwood.

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Okay, I know that's great.

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I mean, come on, it's like, you know, Max Lockwood.

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I mean, it's just, you know, I.

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Don't know the the Quasar, the who is it? Delta Quasar.

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That's like the coolest name ever.

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Yeah, you know, I mean every now and then there

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is a little, you know, thin spot between dimensions, right,

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and somebody else there sneaks through, right, So you know,

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you never really know. But I've got all kinds of

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folks scattered across our rather precipitous globe that I'd love

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to acknowledge it.

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Today.

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First of all, we're going to say hello to our

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good emoji wielding pal, Jonathan Kevin Longde, originally from the

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UK but now living in Germany, and he's got the

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emojis to prove it, along with the ubiquitous, live long

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and prosperous side. So John, then, what a journey from

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the UK to Germany. And it sounds like you've got

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lots of good traveling, lots of good options in front

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of you. So good for you, my friend. Thanks for

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checking in with us over here. Let's say hi to

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our friend Tito Poppi in the Philippines. With the Philippine

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flag wristling in the wind. So great to hear from you.

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And we've got Star Trek fans everywhere. This next individual,

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I think would be of all the spots here, perhaps

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one of the ones that would be able to enticing

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to visit, because Sarah J. Swain is saying hello to

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us from the Bahamas. And if you can, you know,

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deal with the occasional hurricane come hurtling through, I think

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you'll be okay. But Sarah is sending us the flag

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of the Bahamas along with some Vulcan love this week.

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So can I just mention that she is actually our

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first shout out we've ever gotten from the Bahamas. So

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we keep track of who says hello to us, and Sarah,

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you are the first.

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There's a little there's a little light right now on

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Eric's like it's like, oh, that's a new one. Bahamian, Bahmian, Bahamian.

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We still gotta get.

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We still gotta get some folks from the Antarctic to China.

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We do that's number one.

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Sure I can make that happen. So let me let

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me work on that. For your friends, finding for me

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on this list. We're gonna go back over to the

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wonderful wine producing country of Portugal, Okay, and produces many

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other wonderful things as well. But of course, you know,

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we its some things that are hard to ignore. But

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it's our good friend. Yoho day Camara Manuel, And I

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hope I'm even remotely close to the pronunciation there, Yoha.

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I hope I've got that right.

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But you know, I can come over to Portugal and

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you can buy me a glass of wine. You can

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school me on how to pronounce it directly as that

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for a good deal.

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All right.

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So we got again proof that you know, positive enthusiasm

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for Star Trek and this podcast is a global phenomenon

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that we all share. So great to have all those

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things in common, wouldn't you agree, Uncle Jim?

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I absolutely would? And so does my dog Crypto over here.

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She's appearents on the podcast. Leah. Leah's laying right here

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loved it, loved it.

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my super dog. Yes you are, Yes, you are. You're

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so cute too. All right, back to the important stuff here,

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not that you're not important, Leah. All right. We want

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to say thank you to Keith Slocum, who's listening to

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us right now, and we go New York. I don't

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Oswego is. I don't know if that's a grammical error

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a Weego? New York is an actual town in Tioga County,

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Okay, there go every day? Yeah, learn something?

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lets do some stuff.

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I'm going to be here. We also want to say

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thank you to davidia Lynn Pipper, who's listening to us

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from right now in Texas. We want to say thank

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and flashes us to live long and prosper. Thank you

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so much to everybody for being a fan and supporter

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of the show, you can head over to truck Talk

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and then beyond finally Live long and prosper Moji and

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tell us where you're from and be part of our

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fans shout outs. We don't have any polls this week,

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and I don't have a song for cadet training. You

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want to play the polling song? Anyways?

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song at least once a week. I mean, cadet training

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so long it deserves an intro.

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Polling, polling poland you know me like, no win what

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your opinions with all of our minions out there because

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they listen worldwide, So tell us just what you think.

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Get together, we will all drink canar and robulin an.

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feel like we nailed that one pow.

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our cadet training and just as a reminder, because it's

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been two years. Cadet training is where Charles lets you

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guys know what episodes you can watch that are relevant

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to the Star Trek episodes that we're discussing tonight. So

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I will turn the mic over to Charles. Take it away, Charles.

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Two years.

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We just did Cadet training with lower decks, so so

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we did poll our fans in a little while. All

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that Paul will talk about. But it was hard to

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come up with too much stuff in this episode, but

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definitely it was interesting.

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There's like forty seven episodes, six four episode not too many.

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Charles is like a giant excels Red seat of like

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everything's think you'll not.

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Gorn and my comment was we have nine nine major

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episodes and six references. So TOS original TOS arena of

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course from season one t as the Time Trap, also

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from season one Enterprise. They appeared minorly in a Mirror

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Darkly Part two. Back in season four, Discovery had three episodes,

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but we only saw a skeleton of a Gorn. Lower

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Dix had four times. Gorner appeared three times to Gorn,

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we're referenced Strange New World we had All Those Who

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Wander is a discuss and also from season one and

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season two, the final season, the finale in Hegemony one

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that I threw in there on Mine, Star Trek, Strange

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New World Asylum the novel, and that is where we

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see Pellia as an instructor in Starfleet Academy, Strange New

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Worlds add aspar up her A stratup per Aspara season

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two where we talked about using UNA's blood which is Aliria,

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and then I thought, want to throw fun in there.

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Scotty is a miracle worker. As we sit there and

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talk about out our miracle Worker, tos A Doomsday Machine,

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Star Trek three, Star Trek four, and TNG Relics. So

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from there, I'm going to pass it over to Paul.

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Paul what their fans think, Well, you know one thing

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you can always count on from our fans is they

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have lots of opinions. Let's dive into this.

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Pa, friend.

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Before we do, let's just briefly frame what we're getting

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into here. Friends, we're talking about the premiere of the

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latest season of Star Trek Strange in the Worlds, which

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just came back last week, and so we tend to

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like to give everybody a week to kind of process things,

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to get a chance to watch the episode, so they're not,

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you know, subject to spoilers, right, So that's why we're

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reviewing last week's first two episode premiere tonight. And so

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we're going to start off with a review of Hegemony,

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Part two, which is the thrilling conclusion to the two

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part season premiere of What we Got for Strange New

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Worlds last week. This first episode is the second part

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of Hegemony, focusing on Pike's daring rescue mission behind enemy

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lines to save his crew who've been captured by the Gorn,

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while said same landing party on the Gorn ship attempts

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a daring escape themselves. The episode also looks into the

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complex relationship between Spock and There's Chapel as they grapple

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with Captain Bateell's precipitous Gorn infection and how far they're

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all willing to go to save her.

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fans think of all this?

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So what we do is we put these out on

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the Facebook page, right, so anyone can participate in this

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and usually it will come like the night after of

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the same day of the question, the night of the

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same day the episode premiere is, or perhaps the next morning,

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depending on how much romul and Ale Uncle Jim's that.

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But so framing on a scale of one to ten,

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with ten being the best. What did our social media

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fans rate Hegemony? Part two? Rick Latimer says he gave

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it a six. It felt rushed to meet the forty

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five minute runtime and move on to season three, but

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it now has me wondering did Picard data both recall

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this bit of Starfleet history when putting the Borg to

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sleep as Pike put the Gordon to sleep or is

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it just rehashing. I know what you're talking about, Rick Latimer.

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I'm sure we're going to get into that in our

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discussion tonight. Lisa Kramer Hurley says she gives it a ten.

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I love the attention to details of the emotional stories,

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and also the action was great. Mary Lekowski ten or more.

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Loved it my favorite show. I'm a big Star Trek fan.

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Captain Pike so handsome, says Mary Lekowski, and perfect.

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For that role.

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Angela Ailes gives it a nine point nine. N I

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totally loved it. There could more because I could have

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kept watching for hours. Okay, I like seeing all this

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representation in here. Jim Stegman gives it a five, with

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absolutely no explanation as to why. So, okay, Jim, you

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have to chi him in let us know more. A

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gentleman named Doc Savage gives it a one.

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Mmm.

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I'm not sure what Jim is doing, but what what

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Doc is doing? Rather so, I'm not sure what kind

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of experience you know? Maybe I don't know powers out

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something happened I.

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Don't know, or Doc may just be wrong.

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Yeah did he even watch it? Oh my god?

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Wow, Doc, there is a magical, a magical Klingon beverage

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called Prune Juice that I would like to recommend to you.

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Warriors.

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It may change your perspective on a great many things.

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You guys, if you now you know that right?

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Why?

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Both these episodes go to our Facebook page And he

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wrote a pretty lengthy novel comparing it to the Star

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Wars and Disney and blah blah blah blah blah, like

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five paragraph explanation at least.

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He's thorough, doctor. I mean you're gonna rated it one,

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you better be thorough. Brother.

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Don't get us wrong, Doc, we like to have fun

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with our fans. We we're just messing with you, okay,

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it's just we only we only say stuff like this

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if we're having a good time. So yeah, but it's

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great that you're letting us know, and your essays are welcome,

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so you know, let's get into it.

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Man.

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So I think you've got a deep bench of knowledge, clearly,

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so when we're done here, I'm going to dive into it.

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So it's cool.

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So we like it when folks, and you know, should we.

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Call you the Man of Bronze.

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I mean that is Doc Savage's nickname. So I just

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you don't know.

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We we we.

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Respect your roots better, So there you go. Terry Smith

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is a little bit on the other end of the spectrum,

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though Terry gives it a ten and loved how each

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character got to show their streng and add to their story.

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Snow x Sebastian, I hope I'm pronouncing that right, snowk

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or snoyke Sebastian. I'm not sure, frankly. The first episode

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of this season was very good. Eight, so okay. Martin

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Rollo gives it a ten. A ten. Stevie Moore is

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giving us a big warning here that he's going to

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be talking spoiler. I give it a solid seven. I

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wasn't too keen on the solution, but they had to

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wrap it up somehow. Putting them to sleep was a

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little too close to another plot from a previous Star

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Trek episode, which I think we were having intimated at

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the start of this assessment. From Rick Latimer here, I

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think making the same thing. I think we'll discuss that.

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I'm sure love the rest though. And finally from Brett Abbott,

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it was a fantastic episode in my opinion, says Brett.

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Trek has always based episodes on past Trek ever since

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the days of the Next Generation the Card Season three.

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Let me see Borg try to beat Starfleet Enterprise Wings. Yeah,

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that sounds natal levels on his score with an eight.

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So that's what we've got from our fans. Shall we

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discuss Hegemony Part two? Let's say, yeah, just so.

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That totals out to an eight point five for a

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fan score.

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An eight point five okay, respectable to be sure, very so.

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Uh V would you like to get us started? On

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your thoughts on the episode.

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Yeah, it was. It was intense. The opening sequence was

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some really uh fantastic filming or you know special effects

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where you're following the ships and you're twirling around and

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it's just action packed. I do have to admit I

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found it hard to watch all the gooey gunky parts

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where they're in those I guess it was the digestion

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chamber in the Gorn ship where they're in those sacks

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of goo. Uh So that was a little bit difficult

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for me to watch this because I'm squeamish. But just

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them working together to figure out a way to you know,

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steal a Gorn ship and get out of there. And

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then poor Erica with her like her hand was just

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totally mangled and she's flying the ship and I didn't

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realize it at first, but when you look at the

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you're looking at the con it's like that's her blood

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that she's like pooling on top and she just can

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barely make it, and she's saying, you know, with her

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last ounce of energy, I'm Erica or tegis I fly

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this ship. It's like boom. And also the fact that

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Chapel and Spock were able to save Captain Batel through

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some ingenious medical intervention with own is Illyrian blood. That

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was I rate it, you know, except for the gory parts.

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I'd give it a nine point five easily. So that's

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that's my take.

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Well, that's that's a very respectable, very respectable store. Paul,

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you want to jump in or Eric.

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And what point did you go?

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Okay? Okay, so two years wait for this episode. I think, uh,

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it was maybe Charles and our internal chat who said,

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you really need to watch these back to back Hegemony

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one Hedgeminy two, which I did do, And I feel

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like that's the correct way to watch these two much

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in the same way that I had just lost the

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season three to season four TNG name best.

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Of both worlds.

475
00:27:51.680 --> 00:27:53.559
It is the best of both okay, best both worlds,

476
00:27:53.839 --> 00:27:55.200
much in the same way that you need to watch

477
00:27:55.240 --> 00:27:58.319
those back to back, because that's that was a year wait,

478
00:27:58.519 --> 00:28:02.799
well not even it was like nine months between those two. Yeah,

479
00:28:02.880 --> 00:28:06.359
I mean as action packed episodes of Star Trek go,

480
00:28:06.759 --> 00:28:10.559
this one was pretty good. You get the opening sequence,

481
00:28:10.880 --> 00:28:15.799
which has the Enterprise being attacked by Gorn ships and stuff.

482
00:28:16.240 --> 00:28:20.039
We have amazing CGI these days. I always love a

483
00:28:20.039 --> 00:28:23.799
good starship battle. You know, one of the things that

484
00:28:23.839 --> 00:28:27.720
people have always said about Star Trek versus Star Wars

485
00:28:28.039 --> 00:28:31.000
is in Star Trek you get like this battle between

486
00:28:32.079 --> 00:28:36.559
kind of capital ships. So really, in reality, if it

487
00:28:36.559 --> 00:28:39.519
were real, these would be big, slow moving ships that

488
00:28:39.519 --> 00:28:42.440
would shoot each other with like ultimate power, whereas Star

489
00:28:42.519 --> 00:28:44.759
Wars is kind of like a bunch of little fighters

490
00:28:44.759 --> 00:28:47.000
going pew poopoo and like really getting after each other.

491
00:28:48.039 --> 00:28:49.640
This is kind of like a mix, right, because you

492
00:28:49.720 --> 00:28:51.519
got the little Gorn ships that are like pew poo poo,

493
00:28:51.640 --> 00:28:53.680
but you got the big capital ship that's like, oh,

494
00:28:53.759 --> 00:28:55.279
I can take all the hits, but yet I have

495
00:28:55.359 --> 00:28:58.000
to do the thing that I have to do. So

496
00:28:58.000 --> 00:29:01.960
so that was the opening sequence was pretty cool. I

497
00:29:02.000 --> 00:29:06.119
will say that I personally, one of my favorite interactions

498
00:29:06.200 --> 00:29:11.279
during this episode is the whole Pellia and Scotty trying

499
00:29:11.319 --> 00:29:14.200
to solve a problem together. I just thought their scenes

500
00:29:14.240 --> 00:29:19.960
together were hilarious. You know, Scotty was a former student

501
00:29:20.200 --> 00:29:24.559
of Pelias, and you know, multiple times she's like, we

502
00:29:24.640 --> 00:29:26.240
have to solve the thing, and he's like, well, can't

503
00:29:26.240 --> 00:29:28.039
solve the thing, and she's like, we have to solve

504
00:29:28.079 --> 00:29:29.799
the thing, and he's like we can't solve the thing,

505
00:29:29.839 --> 00:29:32.839
and then eventually she like puts him under immense pressure

506
00:29:32.880 --> 00:29:35.279
and then he solves the thing. So I just like

507
00:29:35.519 --> 00:29:40.599
that whole interaction I thought was was hilarious. I think

508
00:29:40.640 --> 00:29:44.200
we also see law on as if we didn't know

509
00:29:44.279 --> 00:29:48.720
that Lawn was a badass. This is like the episode

510
00:29:48.759 --> 00:29:50.839
that just sort of doubles down on that, right, Like

511
00:29:50.920 --> 00:29:52.920
she's the first one to crawl out of the Gorn

512
00:29:53.200 --> 00:29:57.000
things that make the uncomfortable, and you know, I mean,

513
00:29:57.039 --> 00:30:00.599
I'll say they they're not great. You know, they're of gross.

514
00:30:01.400 --> 00:30:04.839
I mean, Ortega's emerges with like a hand that's kind

515
00:30:04.839 --> 00:30:08.400
of mangled and like half gone, which is pretty pretty gross.

516
00:30:08.920 --> 00:30:13.039
But Laan, because she has the experience with the Gorn

517
00:30:13.079 --> 00:30:15.160
from the past, she comes out and she's like, all right,

518
00:30:15.680 --> 00:30:17.960
you know what, we're gonna fox some Gorn up and

519
00:30:18.000 --> 00:30:21.519
that's what she does, which I just think is totally amazing.

520
00:30:22.279 --> 00:30:25.359
So I want to talk a lot about la on

521
00:30:25.960 --> 00:30:28.839
this episode versus the next episode, because I feel like

522
00:30:28.880 --> 00:30:32.400
it's a really cool kind of like crossing of her

523
00:30:32.480 --> 00:30:36.359
character's complexities between these two different episodes. But I really

524
00:30:36.440 --> 00:30:38.400
like to see her be in such a badass in

525
00:30:38.480 --> 00:30:43.920
this one, we get problem solving, which I think is

526
00:30:43.920 --> 00:30:46.480
one of my favorite things in Star Trek problem solving

527
00:30:46.880 --> 00:30:49.039
in that they have to not only figure out that

528
00:30:49.079 --> 00:30:51.559
they have to, you know, the first, they have to

529
00:30:51.599 --> 00:30:56.640
discover that they're sort of investigating the Gorn home world

530
00:30:56.720 --> 00:30:59.720
for the first time. Number Two, they got to figure

531
00:30:59.720 --> 00:31:04.359
out what they gotta do to kind of like put

532
00:31:04.359 --> 00:31:07.079
the Gorn to sleep, which I'll let others talk about

533
00:31:07.119 --> 00:31:10.400
comparisons to previous episodes or whatever. It didn't like, I didn't.

534
00:31:10.559 --> 00:31:12.519
That didn't even come up for me. I'm sure people

535
00:31:12.559 --> 00:31:17.400
who are much more familiar with Next Generation may have said, oh,

536
00:31:17.440 --> 00:31:20.079
I've seen that plot before. For me, it was like, okay, whatever,

537
00:31:20.160 --> 00:31:23.720
you like, I get it. They're they're literally reptiles there.

538
00:31:23.960 --> 00:31:26.759
They've got a sleep cycle thing that they go into.

539
00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:29.400
You can freeze reptiles, right for Like, didn't they just

540
00:31:29.440 --> 00:31:32.400
discover a reptile that who was frozen for like twenty

541
00:31:32.440 --> 00:31:36.400
thousand years? I don't know. Yeah's like crazy? Yeah, So

542
00:31:36.400 --> 00:31:38.920
so that part didn't really really bug me at all.

543
00:31:39.960 --> 00:31:43.720
And uh, and just the working together of all the

544
00:31:43.720 --> 00:31:46.240
people on the enterprise and kind of that problem solving

545
00:31:46.279 --> 00:31:49.319
thing is one of my favorite things about Star Trek,

546
00:31:49.359 --> 00:31:54.079
it's is it? Is it Spock or somebody says maybe

547
00:31:54.119 --> 00:31:56.440
it's I can't remember if it's Uhora, but somebody says

548
00:31:56.440 --> 00:32:00.119
it's like one of the Thousand Chants, and Pike's like,

549
00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:02.880
like those odds. I mean, that's a total Star Trek thing, right,

550
00:32:02.920 --> 00:32:05.799
It's like it's impossible to do, and yet we're gonna

551
00:32:05.839 --> 00:32:08.400
do it and it's going to totally work out. So

552
00:32:08.839 --> 00:32:13.400
I like that. I liked that they ended up using

553
00:32:14.559 --> 00:32:17.440
UNA's blood. That's kind of a nice callback to some

554
00:32:17.559 --> 00:32:24.000
previous episodes from previous seasons of her blood having superpowers there.

555
00:32:26.240 --> 00:32:29.400
So yeah, oh oh, and then I guess last but

556
00:32:29.480 --> 00:32:33.359
not least, I I you know, I've said this in

557
00:32:33.480 --> 00:32:37.599
past seasons before. Who I like the new Robert April

558
00:32:38.240 --> 00:32:41.119
very different, you know, looking from the April that we

559
00:32:41.200 --> 00:32:44.480
got in the animated series, and yet I just really

560
00:32:44.559 --> 00:32:47.319
dig his character and I like that they're digging into

561
00:32:47.400 --> 00:32:50.279
this character a little bit, and the whole interaction between

562
00:32:50.440 --> 00:32:55.519
him and Pike kind of arguing back and forth about yes,

563
00:32:55.559 --> 00:32:58.200
but our people are in trouble. Yes but the Federation, Yes,

564
00:32:58.240 --> 00:33:00.359
but we need to save them. Yes, but we've got

565
00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:02.119
a fleet, you know, like all of that kind of

566
00:33:02.119 --> 00:33:06.519
stuff I think are the discussions that would happen in reality, right,

567
00:33:06.720 --> 00:33:09.400
Like you got some fleet admiral here who's got to

568
00:33:09.480 --> 00:33:12.799
keep track of like big picture stuff, and Pike's like, yeah,

569
00:33:12.839 --> 00:33:15.279
but my people are in trouble, yo, we got to

570
00:33:15.319 --> 00:33:19.920
go save them. So I just really like that part

571
00:33:20.000 --> 00:33:25.599
of this episode. There is one scene in this episode

572
00:33:26.079 --> 00:33:29.160
that I did not like at all, and unfortunately it

573
00:33:29.279 --> 00:33:33.079
was the very last scene. So in the very last scene,

574
00:33:33.839 --> 00:33:40.519
Pike goes to Battel and you know, she's in bad shape,

575
00:33:40.640 --> 00:33:43.480
and there's the cute moment where he's like, okay, dad,

576
00:33:43.519 --> 00:33:46.079
and he starts saying that our father in order to

577
00:33:46.279 --> 00:33:51.480
like pray to sort of you know, get her back

578
00:33:51.559 --> 00:33:53.559
up to snuff. That's not the part that bugged me

579
00:33:54.359 --> 00:33:56.799
at all. Like we all know, well I don't know

580
00:33:56.799 --> 00:33:58.599
if we all know or not, but like Pike has

581
00:33:58.640 --> 00:34:01.440
this like Catholic background that has been hinted in in

582
00:34:01.480 --> 00:34:05.440
a couple of previous seasons. Most people think that Star

583
00:34:05.519 --> 00:34:08.239
Trek doesn't have religion, but in fact it does have religion.

584
00:34:08.320 --> 00:34:12.239
We've seen people in h jobs in lower decks. We've

585
00:34:12.239 --> 00:34:15.719
seen Pike expressing his Catholic background. Here, So that part

586
00:34:15.800 --> 00:34:18.679
does not bug me one bit. The part that really

587
00:34:18.719 --> 00:34:22.360
bugs me about this last scene is you've got Battel

588
00:34:23.119 --> 00:34:29.719
totally passed out, and then Pike comes and kind of

589
00:34:29.760 --> 00:34:31.960
like wants to spend some time with her. And when

590
00:34:32.039 --> 00:34:36.880
she wakes up, what happens? Does Pike end up taking

591
00:34:36.920 --> 00:34:40.559
care of her? The woman who literally just went through

592
00:34:40.679 --> 00:34:46.159
processing Gordon eggs through her body, and like, no, she

593
00:34:46.440 --> 00:34:51.119
actually ends up taking care of Pike in the last scene.

594
00:34:51.239 --> 00:34:54.760
And that to me is just kind of like playing

595
00:34:54.880 --> 00:34:57.679
right into this hole like women should take care of

596
00:34:57.679 --> 00:35:00.639
their men and that kind of stuff. So I just

597
00:35:00.800 --> 00:35:05.800
really the last scene just bugged me to an nth degree.

598
00:35:05.960 --> 00:35:07.800
I was thinking, through this whole thing, man, this is

599
00:35:07.840 --> 00:35:10.679
great action, this is great, Like I love this thing.

600
00:35:10.760 --> 00:35:12.880
I love all the character interactions, blah blah blah blah,

601
00:35:12.920 --> 00:35:14.719
this and that, and then that last scene happened. I

602
00:35:14.719 --> 00:35:17.360
was like, you know what, that knocks a solid point

603
00:35:17.360 --> 00:35:21.199
and a half off of my voting right there into

604
00:35:21.239 --> 00:35:26.920
a tradwise Yes, absolutely, and it really was very anti

605
00:35:26.920 --> 00:35:30.960
Star Trek to me. Yeah, so I.

606
00:35:31.239 --> 00:35:34.639
Agree, yeah, because I mean, when I, you know, have

607
00:35:35.639 --> 00:35:38.719
absorbed Gorn eggs, I'm just gonna be lying down. I'm

608
00:35:38.719 --> 00:35:42.599
not going to be, you know, loving on my mys

609
00:35:44.159 --> 00:35:46.079
and she was, well, that was the thing that bugged

610
00:35:46.079 --> 00:35:48.639
me too. It's like she just she almost died. She

611
00:35:48.760 --> 00:35:51.880
was this close to death and she's sitting up and

612
00:35:51.920 --> 00:35:55.079
she looks good and her hair and everything.

613
00:35:55.760 --> 00:35:57.960
You know, Pike, pict your hair later, bring me something

614
00:35:57.960 --> 00:36:00.559
from the bar now bit before?

615
00:36:00.719 --> 00:36:05.480
Okay, yeah, so that last scene super bugged me. So

616
00:36:05.480 --> 00:36:08.239
so you know, I enjoyed this episode, There's no question.

617
00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:10.519
I thought it was a really good conclusion to that

618
00:36:10.559 --> 00:36:13.880
first part. But I really can't give it more than

619
00:36:13.880 --> 00:36:14.960
about a seven point five.

620
00:36:16.119 --> 00:36:20.199
All right, excellent, Why don't mind jumping in next if

621
00:36:20.199 --> 00:36:23.159
that's cool, I can do that real quick and then

622
00:36:23.199 --> 00:36:26.960
we'll continue on. I enjoyed this episode quite a bit.

623
00:36:27.039 --> 00:36:29.320
I mean, this is the build up right after a

624
00:36:29.400 --> 00:36:31.760
long period of time, not quite two years but almost

625
00:36:31.800 --> 00:36:34.320
right that we've waited for a resolution to this story, right,

626
00:36:34.360 --> 00:36:36.480
and two parties. This is really the first official two

627
00:36:36.480 --> 00:36:39.239
parter that we've ever had involving an end of the

628
00:36:39.280 --> 00:36:43.599
season cliffhanger on the Strange New Worlds. Right, So it's

629
00:36:44.639 --> 00:36:47.400
it's interesting to process it. I do feel that Hegemony

630
00:36:47.480 --> 00:36:50.920
Part one is a stronger episode. I think that it's

631
00:36:51.079 --> 00:36:54.960
it's more well directed. I think that is a super

632
00:36:55.079 --> 00:36:58.440
tight lug nuts tight script Part one is. I mean,

633
00:36:58.480 --> 00:37:01.760
it really is just amazing. They set things up really

634
00:37:01.760 --> 00:37:05.360
really well, and it's just super compelling and exciting the

635
00:37:05.360 --> 00:37:08.119
whole way through. And you got to see great thing

636
00:37:08.159 --> 00:37:10.039
we were talking about this last week, right and see

637
00:37:10.079 --> 00:37:12.639
like the gorn and the spacesuit and all that crazy stuff. Right,

638
00:37:12.679 --> 00:37:16.280
it was really well done and very fresh and original

639
00:37:17.199 --> 00:37:18.639
in a dynamic episode.

640
00:37:18.800 --> 00:37:19.679
This was a good one.

641
00:37:19.760 --> 00:37:22.079
But I feel like this setup was better than the

642
00:37:22.119 --> 00:37:24.800
resolution in some ways. But there's still a lot of

643
00:37:24.800 --> 00:37:28.760
stuff in this I like. I like the fact that

644
00:37:30.440 --> 00:37:33.119
the way that Mount's playing Pike is he's a fully

645
00:37:33.199 --> 00:37:37.000
rounded individual and he's willing to let himself do things

646
00:37:37.039 --> 00:37:41.480
that a lot of times I think other Starfleet captains

647
00:37:41.639 --> 00:37:44.400
would take him to the task for right, That he's

648
00:37:44.440 --> 00:37:47.679
willing to have a personal relationship with somebody, right and

649
00:37:48.320 --> 00:37:50.519
not just like you know, keep that at a distance.

650
00:37:50.559 --> 00:37:55.880
He's willing to to care and to break the rules

651
00:37:55.880 --> 00:37:57.639
to say, somebody who cares about it, and not just

652
00:37:58.519 --> 00:38:00.960
his girlfriend, but for other mens members of the crew. Right,

653
00:38:01.039 --> 00:38:03.000
It's just like He's willing to do these things, and

654
00:38:03.159 --> 00:38:06.079
I find it very refreshing that he's got that human.

655
00:38:06.599 --> 00:38:07.400
Aspect of things.

656
00:38:07.400 --> 00:38:10.360
He really values trying to care the people he cares for,

657
00:38:10.400 --> 00:38:13.320
and I really like that aspect of him very much.

658
00:38:14.079 --> 00:38:18.440
It's very compelling the tells down there in Sick Bay.

659
00:38:18.480 --> 00:38:22.199
And I like the fact that just because Ma Benga

660
00:38:22.360 --> 00:38:26.920
is one of the missing hostages, that Chapels kind of,

661
00:38:26.960 --> 00:38:29.000
you know, assuming there's no other doctors on the ship,

662
00:38:29.039 --> 00:38:32.199
which is a bit of a stretch. You know, Chapel's

663
00:38:32.239 --> 00:38:35.199
got to basically assume the mantle of doctor, and you know,

664
00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:39.159
Pike sends Spot down to help her, which is just

665
00:38:39.320 --> 00:38:41.960
you know, convenient, yes, but a great way to We

666
00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:44.840
want to see these two back together again, which we've

667
00:38:44.840 --> 00:38:47.280
not seen for a while, right, And and they're exploring,

668
00:38:47.400 --> 00:38:49.639
you know, some time has passed and their relationship is

669
00:38:50.159 --> 00:38:53.679
seemingly ended, and it's awkward and it's interesting, and I

670
00:38:53.679 --> 00:38:56.000
thought that was a really interesting scene to have played out.

671
00:38:56.039 --> 00:38:59.960
And I, like everybody else, I found their solution involved

672
00:39:00.639 --> 00:39:03.519
using you know, kind of off the books blood from

673
00:39:04.239 --> 00:39:06.239
Una to be compelling. I'm sure that's going to pay

674
00:39:06.239 --> 00:39:08.199
off down the road, right, And we'll see more about

675
00:39:08.239 --> 00:39:11.280
that hopefully. But I thought that was really good now

676
00:39:11.400 --> 00:39:15.000
as opposed to be Okay, I'm like, you know, baptized

677
00:39:15.159 --> 00:39:18.239
in the blood shower of horror movie fandom, right, so

678
00:39:18.360 --> 00:39:20.880
I have no problem with the Gore stuff. I'd love it.

679
00:39:21.239 --> 00:39:22.079
I love it.

680
00:39:22.239 --> 00:39:26.599
I think it's really fun. I really like the design

681
00:39:26.719 --> 00:39:29.960
of the Gorn ship interior. Alah. I thought that was

682
00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:32.880
really cool, right, where the digestion tubes and everything like that,

683
00:39:32.920 --> 00:39:38.480
because it's it's clever because from one thing, you're like, well,

684
00:39:38.679 --> 00:39:42.679
you think of all these people in the Gorn captivity,

685
00:39:43.039 --> 00:39:46.239
the Gorner, bloodthirsty reptiles. They shouldn't last five minutes, they

686
00:39:46.239 --> 00:39:49.159
should be dead immediately, right, So they slowed down that

687
00:39:49.320 --> 00:39:52.599
threat by putting them into like this digestion mechanism, right,

688
00:39:52.960 --> 00:39:55.559
which buys them more time for things to happen, as

689
00:39:55.599 --> 00:39:57.840
opposed to them just being you know, eaten, like you know,

690
00:39:57.880 --> 00:40:01.360
a bucket of chicken, which was what I was initially expecting, right,

691
00:40:01.920 --> 00:40:04.559
So I think that I think that was really clever,

692
00:40:04.639 --> 00:40:06.159
and the design was really cool.

693
00:40:06.239 --> 00:40:06.360
Right.

694
00:40:06.400 --> 00:40:09.960
They're all grossed out, they're throwing up as they release

695
00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:13.559
them things, and and I think it's, uh, you know,

696
00:40:13.639 --> 00:40:16.360
Sam Kirk who finds the the gun and the like

697
00:40:16.519 --> 00:40:19.039
the ship pile. Essentially it has to like you know,

698
00:40:19.440 --> 00:40:22.000
you know, but it still works. Essentially, it's like all

699
00:40:22.000 --> 00:40:24.519
the stuff that couldn't be digested, right, So I liked

700
00:40:24.559 --> 00:40:27.199
all that stuff a lot. I thought that was really clever.

701
00:40:28.599 --> 00:40:31.320
I lost some points for the convenience of Captain Bottel

702
00:40:31.360 --> 00:40:34.760
being allergic to the you know, surgical procedure that would

703
00:40:34.760 --> 00:40:36.159
have made it to you know, I thought that was

704
00:40:36.199 --> 00:40:38.400
really kind of like, oh, yeah, she's allergic, the one

705
00:40:38.440 --> 00:40:39.840
thing that could have you know, out there.

706
00:40:40.199 --> 00:40:43.440
So Paul, when my wife and I watched this, were like,

707
00:40:43.519 --> 00:40:45.599
why don't they just put her in the transporter buffer?

708
00:40:45.639 --> 00:40:47.400
Isn't that what they did with them Benga's daughter.

709
00:40:48.079 --> 00:40:50.239
Yeah, Yeah, good point.

710
00:40:50.719 --> 00:40:51.159
That's fine.

711
00:40:51.199 --> 00:40:53.360
Yeah, because writing yeah, and it's like it's a it's

712
00:40:53.400 --> 00:40:56.320
a And again it is not a real world fans.

713
00:40:56.440 --> 00:40:58.079
I'm sorry to have to be the one to remind

714
00:40:58.119 --> 00:41:00.400
you of this. It is a television show. It is

715
00:41:00.440 --> 00:41:02.800
you know, and the only person that is God and

716
00:41:02.880 --> 00:41:05.199
that you know that has to answer the can is

717
00:41:05.239 --> 00:41:08.559
the person getting the paycheck for the Greenland. So just

718
00:41:08.599 --> 00:41:10.880
don't know, it's Cannon's going to get broken left and

719
00:41:10.960 --> 00:41:13.400
right as that you were in the Napoleonic Wars. There's

720
00:41:13.400 --> 00:41:16.599
that many broken cannons everywhere, So there, why this.

721
00:41:16.679 --> 00:41:18.679
And why does sod need the starship anyway?

722
00:41:18.800 --> 00:41:23.480
Right, but anyhow, we'll move on.

723
00:41:23.559 --> 00:41:25.440
But so that that bothered me, and I, like a

724
00:41:25.440 --> 00:41:27.760
lot of other folks, I did find the and a

725
00:41:27.800 --> 00:41:29.880
lot of it is just because yes, this is set

726
00:41:29.960 --> 00:41:34.599
part two of a bridging season finale, and that immediately

727
00:41:34.639 --> 00:41:38.079
brings to mind Best of Both Worlds, which was, you know,

728
00:41:38.199 --> 00:41:41.400
an infamously famous two parter and considered to be one

729
00:41:41.440 --> 00:41:46.079
of the great next Gen episode arcs. Ever, it established

730
00:41:46.079 --> 00:41:48.800
the framework for successful two parters that they went on

731
00:41:48.880 --> 00:41:52.000
to do throughout the length of that show. And yeah,

732
00:41:52.039 --> 00:41:54.599
they basically did the same trick that they did to

733
00:41:54.800 --> 00:41:57.360
put the Borg to sleep in that episode, and they're

734
00:41:57.360 --> 00:41:58.199
set part two.

735
00:41:58.079 --> 00:41:58.840
That they did here.

736
00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:01.559
Oh well, you sort of a light thing to trick

737
00:42:01.599 --> 00:42:03.280
to the Gorn and make them think that it's time

738
00:42:03.320 --> 00:42:08.280
to go back into hibernation again. I mean, it's clever

739
00:42:08.480 --> 00:42:11.079
enough and it solves the problem, but it is really

740
00:42:11.119 --> 00:42:16.440
like pretty impossible to ignore for me, So it doesn't it's.

741
00:42:16.119 --> 00:42:18.280
The biology of the gorn much more than it fits

742
00:42:18.320 --> 00:42:20.280
the biology of the borg.

743
00:42:21.719 --> 00:42:26.840
Yeah, it didn't bother me, but it just felt really duplicative. Right,

744
00:42:26.920 --> 00:42:29.280
I'm like, we've really seen this before. I mean, it's

745
00:42:29.360 --> 00:42:32.719
uncomfortably similar, right, So it's just and you know, it's

746
00:42:32.800 --> 00:42:34.840
it's hard to ignore. It's hard to look away from that.

747
00:42:35.440 --> 00:42:36.360
And I've seen a.

748
00:42:36.360 --> 00:42:38.920
Lot of other people reference it's almost every Next Day

749
00:42:38.960 --> 00:42:41.840
review that I ran into as well. So it's just

750
00:42:41.920 --> 00:42:43.639
it just it just kind of was like, Okay, you

751
00:42:43.719 --> 00:42:45.840
kind of broke the wall from me there a little bit,

752
00:42:45.840 --> 00:42:49.159
but I still found it really interesting and entertaining. Again,

753
00:42:49.400 --> 00:42:52.239
I just wanted to be a little bit better, a

754
00:42:52.239 --> 00:42:54.000
little bit tighter, and I just think it was just

755
00:42:54.039 --> 00:42:56.800
the direction was more solid. But I can't really fault

756
00:42:56.800 --> 00:43:00.880
the cast, the guy playing Scottie. More of him, please,

757
00:43:01.400 --> 00:43:06.800
I would like to see much more Scottie. And you know, yeah,

758
00:43:06.800 --> 00:43:09.840
I think I'll just leave it there in terms of that.

759
00:43:11.239 --> 00:43:12.960
He's a welcome edition. I think he's doing a great

760
00:43:13.039 --> 00:43:16.360
job and and I'd like to see where this goes now.

761
00:43:16.199 --> 00:43:16.840
That we go here.

762
00:43:17.320 --> 00:43:18.760
It'll be really interesting.

763
00:43:18.440 --> 00:43:20.599
To talk about the second episode in a bit and

764
00:43:20.800 --> 00:43:24.119
what we how we jumped from one episode to the

765
00:43:24.159 --> 00:43:26.000
next and the shift of tone. But on the whole

766
00:43:26.039 --> 00:43:28.440
I thought this was generally pretty good. It's great to

767
00:43:28.480 --> 00:43:32.119
be back with these actors again, and and for the

768
00:43:32.159 --> 00:43:35.119
most part I found this a welcome return. I would

769
00:43:35.159 --> 00:43:37.440
I would land it at an eight. I think would

770
00:43:37.440 --> 00:43:40.000
be my score for this episode. I think it's pretty

771
00:43:40.000 --> 00:43:43.599
fair judging from comparing it to the first part one, So.

772
00:43:43.559 --> 00:43:45.360
I think an eight for me is great.

773
00:43:45.880 --> 00:43:53.400
Where do you stand on the borg Shenanigans, Charles, Actually.

774
00:43:53.039 --> 00:43:55.599
The boor Shenanigan bit didn't bother me.

775
00:43:57.199 --> 00:44:04.559
I meant, Gore, I've been having.

776
00:44:03.719 --> 00:44:11.280
Well, okay, same four for litter words didn't really bother

777
00:44:11.400 --> 00:44:13.760
me that much on it. One of the things that

778
00:44:13.840 --> 00:44:17.599
I thought was looking at It's like, okay, we're doing

779
00:44:17.639 --> 00:44:22.440
with a binary star system. Okay, well I've seen oh

780
00:44:22.519 --> 00:44:24.559
I can only think of one time I've seen a

781
00:44:24.559 --> 00:44:30.239
binary star system in Discovery. Then I went start looking up.

782
00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:33.000
It's like, okay, never mind, I'm not putting that in

783
00:44:33.039 --> 00:44:37.480
Cadet review. There are too many, too many binary star

784
00:44:37.559 --> 00:44:43.920
systems in Star Trek to list them. In fact, I

785
00:44:43.920 --> 00:44:51.440
did not realize that Volkan actually has a trinary system.

786
00:44:51.960 --> 00:44:55.239
One of the reasons. I talked about Hellia in the novel.

787
00:44:56.960 --> 00:45:00.360
Eric will know a little bit on this. Helli was

788
00:45:01.440 --> 00:45:06.719
a core teacher when she was at the academy. She

789
00:45:06.920 --> 00:45:11.079
was very demanding. The one that she I truly dealt

790
00:45:11.119 --> 00:45:18.519
with was Una was her student, and I was finding

791
00:45:18.559 --> 00:45:22.679
some trouble, but very demanding to what she had to

792
00:45:22.679 --> 00:45:25.519
go through. And I think Scotty slacked off a bit

793
00:45:25.679 --> 00:45:32.599
in her class, but she's got a demanding class, and

794
00:45:32.719 --> 00:45:36.119
I think that showed here of how she kind of is.

795
00:45:36.199 --> 00:45:39.920
She kind of pushed Scotty to a point. And I

796
00:45:39.920 --> 00:45:45.800
think we see Scotti here. The lieutenant is a little

797
00:45:45.880 --> 00:45:50.360
more skittish, and I think we show the fact that

798
00:45:52.559 --> 00:45:55.599
Scotti was a young lieutenant when he came on board,

799
00:45:57.000 --> 00:46:01.360
and by the time he got to kirk Era, I

800
00:46:01.400 --> 00:46:05.280
think he came a lot more confident and I lot

801
00:46:05.719 --> 00:46:08.320
really known as stuff. So it's interesting, I think going

802
00:46:08.360 --> 00:46:11.039
to see some of that progression that we might see

803
00:46:11.119 --> 00:46:16.360
with Scotty. I thought the interesting in the medical area

804
00:46:16.519 --> 00:46:21.199
where they sit there and run ideas through the computer.

805
00:46:22.519 --> 00:46:25.920
Let's do this street drug. Oh, let's see the street

806
00:46:26.000 --> 00:46:30.280
drug would work, And as they're discussing it, the computers

807
00:46:30.360 --> 00:46:33.519
trying it out and it's like, yep, it's one hundred

808
00:46:33.519 --> 00:46:37.360
per death on it. It's like, so it's interesting how

809
00:46:37.360 --> 00:46:42.960
they kept bouncing ideas to how to cure the problem

810
00:46:43.000 --> 00:46:46.519
by putting it through the computer and the computer spitting

811
00:46:46.559 --> 00:46:51.360
out what it said's going to happen, and of course

812
00:46:51.480 --> 00:46:53.880
using the delirium blood gave on I think a fourteen

813
00:46:53.920 --> 00:46:58.480
percent chance. Let's think it's interesting how they bounce off

814
00:46:58.559 --> 00:47:05.480
those chances in there. As Eric said about the Bridge crew,

815
00:47:05.880 --> 00:47:11.480
I thought it interesting that Pike would ask the crew

816
00:47:11.639 --> 00:47:18.599
what they thought and get opinions about what we watched.

817
00:47:18.719 --> 00:47:21.960
We try and so I said, we'll try this. So

818
00:47:22.079 --> 00:47:23.960
he said, we'll try this. It's like I saw that

819
00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:25.920
a couple of times, and I'd like the idea of

820
00:47:26.039 --> 00:47:28.840
him throwing out trying to get opinions from his crew.

821
00:47:28.960 --> 00:47:35.679
He values his crew members. Yes, I saw that chat comment. Yeah,

822
00:47:36.119 --> 00:47:40.079
that was That's what reminded me of Paul. That was

823
00:47:40.239 --> 00:47:46.000
that same idea of using AI to sit there and say,

824
00:47:46.159 --> 00:47:56.480
help solve your problems. Ah, definitely pushing them definitely, you

825
00:47:56.519 --> 00:47:58.599
can see I think there was pushing themselves into that

826
00:47:58.679 --> 00:48:02.320
binary star and trying to make sure they don't destroy

827
00:48:02.400 --> 00:48:07.840
the ship, which definitely put a good edge of your

828
00:48:07.880 --> 00:48:14.119
seat choice on there, which I thought was good. Definitely.

829
00:48:14.199 --> 00:48:17.320
I had recommended with people last week that's like, okay,

830
00:48:18.360 --> 00:48:20.639
what's the best way to watch this episode the first

831
00:48:20.719 --> 00:48:24.079
time is watch part one and part two together and

832
00:48:24.159 --> 00:48:28.239
see what happens. It wasn't a year for Best of

833
00:48:28.320 --> 00:48:34.920
Both worlds. It was about two about three months summer break,

834
00:48:36.599 --> 00:48:39.320
so they finished in June. We hid in.

835
00:48:41.719 --> 00:48:42.760
This September.

836
00:48:44.159 --> 00:48:46.719
That three months still back when we didn't have the

837
00:48:46.760 --> 00:48:51.559
internet was a big wait. This time we had the

838
00:48:51.559 --> 00:48:56.119
internet and we waited. I think I looked up twenty

839
00:48:56.559 --> 00:49:07.519
almost twenty three months. They finished in June last I

840
00:49:07.519 --> 00:49:11.519
forget what I said. I think they finished in They

841
00:49:11.519 --> 00:49:14.800
finished at one point last year August of last year,

842
00:49:14.800 --> 00:49:18.320
and we got back in July or not last year

843
00:49:18.400 --> 00:49:22.239
year before, So it was twenty three months. That's a

844
00:49:22.360 --> 00:49:26.519
long span to be waiting between seasons for Star Trek.

845
00:49:26.679 --> 00:49:31.760
So I ain't Di did a pretty good job with it.

846
00:49:31.880 --> 00:49:38.559
The I didn't see the boor Gorn comparison in there,

847
00:49:39.760 --> 00:49:43.159
so I guess I could see it, but it's not

848
00:49:43.280 --> 00:49:46.840
something that really bothered me. It's like, Okay, they found

849
00:49:46.880 --> 00:49:49.960
a way of dealing with it, and we won't see

850
00:49:50.000 --> 00:49:53.280
the Gorn again. Hopefully we'll not see the Gorn again

851
00:49:54.360 --> 00:50:03.639
until Kirk's era, or maybe not, but that's a discussion

852
00:50:03.719 --> 00:50:08.360
for next episode. I'm gonna give this one a good,

853
00:50:08.440 --> 00:50:12.280
solid nine. I rarely enjoyed this one.

854
00:50:14.679 --> 00:50:21.360
All right, yep, that would be me and and Leyah here.

855
00:50:22.159 --> 00:50:25.480
Actually Anakin's here too. Leya is going after Anakin. That's

856
00:50:25.480 --> 00:50:28.840
why you're seeing all this activity here because the wife

857
00:50:28.840 --> 00:50:31.360
decided to put both the cat and the dog in

858
00:50:31.440 --> 00:50:34.920
the studio with me. Don't ask me why, but both here.

859
00:50:35.400 --> 00:50:38.840
So all right, let's start off with I really got

860
00:50:38.960 --> 00:50:41.760
Aliens vibes from the inside of that ship. When all

861
00:50:41.760 --> 00:50:44.639
the Goring were crawling across the ceiling. I was thinking

862
00:50:44.760 --> 00:50:49.440
Hudson and Aliens and shooting him down off the ceiling.

863
00:50:49.679 --> 00:50:53.320
I loved it, though, didn't didn't take me out of it,

864
00:50:53.360 --> 00:50:55.719
but I was just thinking, Wow, that's that's some alien

865
00:50:56.039 --> 00:51:00.280
action right there. The digestive tubes, how creepy. I don't

866
00:51:00.280 --> 00:51:03.440
think we've ever seen anything like that on Star Trek before,

867
00:51:03.519 --> 00:51:08.519
have we not? To my knowledge? Where they digest you alive?

868
00:51:08.920 --> 00:51:11.079
I mean, we got the Starlac Pitt in Star Wars,

869
00:51:11.199 --> 00:51:13.840
but in Star Trek, I think that's the first time

870
00:51:13.840 --> 00:51:18.559
we ever saw people like melting alive, like like Ortegas's

871
00:51:18.639 --> 00:51:21.679
hand there, So that that was for Star Trek. That

872
00:51:21.760 --> 00:51:24.800
was a step, and I thought it was it demonstrated,

873
00:51:24.960 --> 00:51:28.440
you know, how dangerous to gorn really are. As far

874
00:51:28.480 --> 00:51:30.800
as putting him asleep. I have a theory. I hope

875
00:51:30.800 --> 00:51:33.480
that our good friend Andy Bray is listening because I

876
00:51:33.480 --> 00:51:38.079
think this addresses his Gorn skit. So they put the

877
00:51:38.119 --> 00:51:40.599
Gorn to sleep, right, And the first thing it came

878
00:51:40.639 --> 00:51:46.199
to my mind was this the Horda. The Horda had

879
00:51:46.239 --> 00:51:48.679
the one Horda that watched the Horda when there were babies,

880
00:51:48.679 --> 00:51:51.440
And I thought, okay, well, the old ancient Gorn and

881
00:51:51.480 --> 00:51:55.360
the rubber suit they went and work, you know, moved

882
00:51:55.400 --> 00:51:58.079
really slow. That was one of the old Gorn that

883
00:51:58.119 --> 00:52:00.440
didn't go to sleep, that stayed awake to the other

884
00:52:00.480 --> 00:52:02.920
Gorn while they were sleeping, and that that that's why

885
00:52:03.000 --> 00:52:05.519
we don't see these giant Gorn going around with these

886
00:52:05.599 --> 00:52:08.960
huge ships digesting everybody left and right, because they're all

887
00:52:08.960 --> 00:52:11.360
sleeping and the only one that's not sleeping is the

888
00:52:11.440 --> 00:52:14.920
ancient Gorn that's there to keep an eye on the

889
00:52:14.960 --> 00:52:18.000
sleeping Gorn, and I thought that makes sense to me.

890
00:52:18.239 --> 00:52:21.559
I buy that, So, you know, that's where my brain

891
00:52:21.599 --> 00:52:24.760
went that the the ancient Gorn that Kirk fought was

892
00:52:24.800 --> 00:52:28.800
like a nurse made Gorn, a babysitter Gorn that was

893
00:52:29.320 --> 00:52:31.679
keeping an eye on the other Gorn while they slept.

894
00:52:31.880 --> 00:52:34.039
That's why he looked different, That's why he moved slow,

895
00:52:34.559 --> 00:52:36.400
and that's why we've never seen the Gorn again because

896
00:52:36.440 --> 00:52:40.440
they're all sleeping. So that's how my little brain turned

897
00:52:40.440 --> 00:52:43.800
around and justified that. I like that. That's what I

898
00:52:43.840 --> 00:52:47.519
came up with, so I really thought it was cool. Now,

899
00:52:47.920 --> 00:52:51.079
please someone explain this to me because I got confused.

900
00:52:51.119 --> 00:52:53.960
I watched it twice. I'm still confused. We got the

901
00:52:53.960 --> 00:52:58.360
binary stars right. The Gorn ships fly in between the Gorn.

902
00:52:58.559 --> 00:53:03.159
The binary stars emanate an em pulse. The impulse comes

903
00:53:03.199 --> 00:53:05.920
out of the first star, a different polse comes out

904
00:53:05.920 --> 00:53:09.039
of the second star, hits the Gorn ship in the middle,

905
00:53:09.440 --> 00:53:12.880
and then the Gorn ship like beams to a pocket

906
00:53:13.000 --> 00:53:19.079
universe or something. It disappears. Where does it go? I mean,

907
00:53:19.199 --> 00:53:22.760
I didn't understand that. Where did all the board go?

908
00:53:23.119 --> 00:53:25.559
Well, they what they did, Jim, was they showed us

909
00:53:25.599 --> 00:53:28.079
all of the stuff that leads to the front door

910
00:53:28.360 --> 00:53:31.360
of the Gorn Home World, but they didn't actually show

911
00:53:31.440 --> 00:53:35.280
us the Gorn Home World. So I think the answer

912
00:53:35.400 --> 00:53:37.639
is that we don't actually know as a result of

913
00:53:37.679 --> 00:53:38.400
this episode.

914
00:53:39.880 --> 00:53:44.239
So when they disappear, they're going to the Gorn Home World.

915
00:53:45.000 --> 00:53:48.000
Yeah, I mean they mentioned in this in this episode

916
00:53:48.079 --> 00:53:51.280
that they think they've discovered. Pike says something like, is

917
00:53:51.280 --> 00:53:55.199
it the Gorn Home World? And but we only see

918
00:53:55.239 --> 00:53:59.239
two stars? We never see a planet, and so my

919
00:53:59.719 --> 00:54:03.280
head cannon on this is that there's some other planet

920
00:54:03.280 --> 00:54:07.199
there that is either in a pocket universe or like

921
00:54:07.239 --> 00:54:09.679
the only way you can get there is by going

922
00:54:09.679 --> 00:54:14.480
between these two stars and kind of arriving based on

923
00:54:14.559 --> 00:54:17.679
the energy that's generated by the two stars. I don't

924
00:54:17.719 --> 00:54:20.119
know if that's true or not, but clearly they didn't

925
00:54:20.119 --> 00:54:23.239
show us the planet. But Pike mentions that he thinks

926
00:54:23.239 --> 00:54:24.840
it's the Gorn Home World.

927
00:54:25.159 --> 00:54:27.320
Right, I mean, it didn't bother me. I was just

928
00:54:27.320 --> 00:54:30.719
trying to figure out, like, was the Gorn Home World

929
00:54:30.840 --> 00:54:33.400
the two stars or was there another planet we didn't see?

930
00:54:33.440 --> 00:54:37.000
So obviously we just didn't see it. So but that's okay,

931
00:54:37.159 --> 00:54:39.159
that's we don't need to see it to know that

932
00:54:39.199 --> 00:54:42.840
they're sleeping away, nice and comfy in their little goring

933
00:54:42.920 --> 00:54:43.760
cave somewhere.

934
00:54:44.039 --> 00:54:46.559
So that I mean, I personally think it's better that

935
00:54:46.639 --> 00:54:50.280
they didn't show us, Like I always think, Star Trek

936
00:54:50.360 --> 00:54:52.679
does a better job when it doesn't take you all

937
00:54:52.719 --> 00:54:54.960
the way there, But it leaves a little bit for

938
00:54:55.000 --> 00:54:58.920
you to kind of conjecture about. It generates conversation, it

939
00:54:59.000 --> 00:55:01.880
generates interest. So I'm glad they didn't show us the

940
00:55:01.880 --> 00:55:03.159
Gorn home world.

941
00:55:03.360 --> 00:55:06.840
Yeah, it wasn't necessary, but I really liked what V said.

942
00:55:06.880 --> 00:55:09.320
I liked I liked Ortega's flying the ship. She is

943
00:55:09.760 --> 00:55:11.480
I fly the ship and she's got a half a

944
00:55:11.559 --> 00:55:14.920
hand melted off there and she's bleeding all over the console,

945
00:55:15.440 --> 00:55:17.719
but she flew the ship and I thought that was,

946
00:55:17.840 --> 00:55:20.960
you know, give her character the moment. I also liked

947
00:55:21.000 --> 00:55:25.400
her back to the my Aliens thing again. I know

948
00:55:25.440 --> 00:55:28.519
everybody has seen Aliens her when they were coming up

949
00:55:28.519 --> 00:55:30.800
with the plan and she's and they're in the digestive

950
00:55:30.840 --> 00:55:34.239
chamber and she's saying she's coming up with all these comments.

951
00:55:34.280 --> 00:55:37.039
The first thing I thought of was, you know, all

952
00:55:37.039 --> 00:55:40.079
the comments that Hicks makes and Aliens, you know, stop

953
00:55:40.119 --> 00:55:42.239
your drop your linen and stop your grin in. He

954
00:55:42.360 --> 00:55:45.760
gave over man, gave over man. And I thought, you know,

955
00:55:45.880 --> 00:55:50.239
Ortegas is is Hudson from Aliens. She's coming up with

956
00:55:50.320 --> 00:55:52.280
all the is this is this a good plan? Is this?

957
00:55:52.840 --> 00:55:54.719
Are we gonna die here? What kind of plan is?

958
00:55:54.920 --> 00:55:57.719
I just I liked her little her little one liners

959
00:55:57.760 --> 00:56:02.400
with George Kirk. I thought those were right. All yeah,

960
00:56:02.679 --> 00:56:04.960
Paul was right, she kicks asked. In this episode, she

961
00:56:05.000 --> 00:56:09.400
took control and she wasn't going to sacrifice any of

962
00:56:09.440 --> 00:56:14.320
the hostage hostages, the colonists. We're gonna come back and

963
00:56:14.320 --> 00:56:16.800
we're going to get them all. She wasn't happy with

964
00:56:16.880 --> 00:56:19.599
breaking a few out of their cocoons. She wanted to

965
00:56:19.599 --> 00:56:22.199
get them all. And that I thought that really did

966
00:56:22.239 --> 00:56:27.159
a lot for her character. What else? And Benga, you know,

967
00:56:27.199 --> 00:56:29.800
he goes over and helps Ortegas and says, well, well

968
00:56:29.840 --> 00:56:31.679
we'll fix your hand when we get back to the ship,

969
00:56:31.800 --> 00:56:35.119
and sure enough he does so that you know, that

970
00:56:35.280 --> 00:56:40.199
was that was nice to see the Gorn. Let me

971
00:56:40.199 --> 00:56:42.960
ask you, guys, did you think Ortegas was gonna bite the.

972
00:56:43.039 --> 00:56:48.400
Dust when when she's being held up because she's being

973
00:56:48.559 --> 00:56:51.880
like the gorn is holding her up. But I guess

974
00:56:51.880 --> 00:56:55.079
by the isn't there that scene where and then.

975
00:56:55.039 --> 00:56:58.360
By the spike through her gut? Yeah, yeah, I.

976
00:56:58.440 --> 00:56:59.639
Met through the gut.

977
00:57:01.119 --> 00:57:06.519
Yeah, I mean I didn't. I told so in that moment.

978
00:57:06.559 --> 00:57:08.639
I was watching this episode for the first time with

979
00:57:08.679 --> 00:57:10.840
my wife and she's like, oh my god, I don't

980
00:57:10.840 --> 00:57:12.599
want to lose Eric, and I was like, she's got

981
00:57:12.639 --> 00:57:14.119
plot armors, she's fine.

982
00:57:16.679 --> 00:57:20.679
Yeah, well she actually doesn't because Sulu's got to take

983
00:57:20.679 --> 00:57:23.559
over at some point, but not now. But I thought

984
00:57:23.559 --> 00:57:26.599
they were going to kill her. I really, I really did,

985
00:57:26.639 --> 00:57:28.960
Like they killed off Hemmer. I thought they're going to

986
00:57:29.039 --> 00:57:33.719
kill her off because between the hand, you know, disintegrated

987
00:57:33.880 --> 00:57:36.639
and whatnot, I thought, Wow, they're going to kill her off.

988
00:57:36.719 --> 00:57:39.800
But I mean she's been a way more integral character

989
00:57:40.079 --> 00:57:43.920
to the show than honestly Emmer was.

990
00:57:44.000 --> 00:57:48.000
Like, and we've seen clips for season the upcoming season

991
00:57:48.280 --> 00:57:50.880
of episodes, we haven't seen yet the show. She's in it,

992
00:57:50.960 --> 00:57:52.880
So I mean, there was no way in my brain

993
00:57:52.920 --> 00:57:55.159
was thinking she was dead because it's like, clearly she's

994
00:57:55.199 --> 00:57:57.360
in the rest of the season. So I mean it's

995
00:57:57.360 --> 00:57:58.280
a dramatic moment.

996
00:57:58.400 --> 00:58:02.320
But yeah, but at the end it looks like she's

997
00:58:02.400 --> 00:58:05.239
going to have some and I can't blame her have

998
00:58:05.320 --> 00:58:10.320
some serious PTSD with being almost killed by that Gorn

999
00:58:10.400 --> 00:58:12.599
because you see that that moment with her.

1000
00:58:12.719 --> 00:58:14.199
Oh you're jumping ahead episode two?

1001
00:58:14.239 --> 00:58:17.360
There ahead ahead episode.

1002
00:58:18.519 --> 00:58:19.400
Am I? Okay?

1003
00:58:19.440 --> 00:58:23.840
Sorry A good seg, good segue.

1004
00:58:24.519 --> 00:58:26.679
Trouble When I do that, I get in trouble, so

1005
00:58:26.719 --> 00:58:31.079
don't do so. Yeah. I I did enjoy this episode,

1006
00:58:31.159 --> 00:58:33.239
and it was so nice to see Star Trek new

1007
00:58:33.320 --> 00:58:35.960
Star Trek again after what seemed like an eternity of

1008
00:58:36.000 --> 00:58:38.039
a wake. I do want to ask you guys, though,

1009
00:58:38.519 --> 00:58:42.239
did you notice the Klingon battle cruiser in the new

1010
00:58:42.280 --> 00:58:47.400
opening sequence? Oh? Yeah, yeah, I had to pose. I said,

1011
00:58:47.400 --> 00:58:49.400
WHOA is that a Klingon? I could go back and

1012
00:58:49.440 --> 00:58:51.920
pause it.

1013
00:58:52.119 --> 00:58:53.960
They made a few little changes to the to the

1014
00:58:53.960 --> 00:58:54.960
credits thing, which is good.

1015
00:58:54.960 --> 00:58:58.559
That was a nice I noticed a Klingon right away,

1016
00:58:58.599 --> 00:59:01.239
so I'm thinking, maybe maybe we're going to see some

1017
00:59:01.239 --> 00:59:03.960
more Klingons. Maybe that's a sign of what's to come.

1018
00:59:04.000 --> 00:59:06.480
So I thought that was cool that the Klingon show

1019
00:59:06.559 --> 00:59:09.119
up in the opening credits. So I thought that was.

1020
00:59:09.159 --> 00:59:13.440
Me, they'll be singing kay pop right, Yeah, they were singing.

1021
00:59:13.519 --> 00:59:21.360
They were doing clon that. So yeah, I I how

1022
00:59:21.360 --> 00:59:25.000
did they save Okay, so let's talk about saving Captain Totel.

1023
00:59:26.119 --> 00:59:30.239
What do you think about that? I mean, they didn't

1024
00:59:30.239 --> 00:59:32.000
save Hammer mm hmm.

1025
00:59:32.559 --> 00:59:37.079
But there's a possibility. There's like, didn't he he's like

1026
00:59:37.400 --> 00:59:40.280
on that frozen world? Isn't that what happened to him?

1027
00:59:40.320 --> 00:59:45.239
He jumped off the cliff and he's.

1028
00:59:45.119 --> 00:59:48.079
Just off the back of the starship about yeah whatever.

1029
00:59:48.280 --> 00:59:56.199
Yeah, and so I saw So I mean there's a.

1030
00:59:56.679 --> 01:00:00.960
U Patel's surviving just because Hammer goes right. I mean,

1031
01:00:01.000 --> 01:00:04.679
I'm not like scorecard guy, right, whoam or they saved him,

1032
01:00:04.760 --> 01:00:07.719
you know, because they saved Bettel. How come they didn't

1033
01:00:07.719 --> 01:00:08.960
save Hammor. I mean, I don't want to look at

1034
01:00:08.920 --> 01:00:10.679
it that way because that's you know, the two totally

1035
01:00:10.719 --> 01:00:14.000
different stories. But I think it's probably good for Pike

1036
01:00:14.119 --> 01:00:16.400
that she survived, right, because otherwise I think he was

1037
01:00:16.440 --> 01:00:18.280
going to get down a very very very bitter road.

1038
01:00:18.440 --> 01:00:20.880
Right. That was the thing was like they needed to

1039
01:00:20.960 --> 01:00:24.559
survive for Pike to not like want to just die

1040
01:00:24.840 --> 01:00:27.639
right based on his knowledge.

1041
01:00:27.039 --> 01:00:29.199
Of his because it would be the lesson would be

1042
01:00:29.400 --> 01:00:32.480
never get involved with it with somebody else in unifactly,

1043
01:00:32.760 --> 01:00:35.400
because that would be that would be for Card's lesson, right,

1044
01:00:35.480 --> 01:00:37.679
he would say that, right. I mean, I feel like,

1045
01:00:37.760 --> 01:00:40.599
you know, Pike is you know, violating a lot of

1046
01:00:40.599 --> 01:00:44.199
the rules said, and he calls ortegas Erica, he calls

1047
01:00:44.199 --> 01:00:46.639
her by her first name, what other captain on any

1048
01:00:46.639 --> 01:00:48.679
other branch, and you know, you just don't see that

1049
01:00:48.679 --> 01:00:51.039
that often in Star Trek. So so he's a bit

1050
01:00:51.039 --> 01:00:53.320
of a rebel in some ways, right and more, which

1051
01:00:53.360 --> 01:00:55.800
I think is nice. I like that about him. But

1052
01:00:55.920 --> 01:00:59.119
I think it's good. I'm glad that she wasn't killed.

1053
01:00:59.159 --> 01:01:02.360
I think that would have been you know, uh, you know,

1054
01:01:02.559 --> 01:01:04.760
do you feel differently, Jim, would you rather she have

1055
01:01:04.840 --> 01:01:05.599
been a casualty?

1056
01:01:06.840 --> 01:01:07.000
No?

1057
01:01:07.480 --> 01:01:10.559
No, I just uh just the way they saved her,

1058
01:01:11.840 --> 01:01:13.880
or did they, I don't know, We'll have to see.

1059
01:01:14.159 --> 01:01:16.920
But I enjoyed it overall. I liked it. I thought,

1060
01:01:16.960 --> 01:01:19.679
like Eric said, the action was great, the cgi was great.

1061
01:01:20.760 --> 01:01:23.000
I thoroughly enjoyed it. I liked the I like the

1062
01:01:23.079 --> 01:01:26.559
score as well. I thought the music was was well done.

1063
01:01:27.039 --> 01:01:30.920
And uh, I can't think of anything really negative to say.

1064
01:01:30.960 --> 01:01:34.480
About the episode really, except for what Paul said. There's

1065
01:01:34.480 --> 01:01:36.760
only one doctor on the ship if I remember correctly

1066
01:01:36.800 --> 01:01:43.199
on to Os, wasn't and Benga Bones's backup doctor, Like

1067
01:01:43.199 --> 01:01:46.159
like you know, so yeah, I.

1068
01:01:46.159 --> 01:01:49.679
Think that there's there's might be whole you know, this

1069
01:01:49.840 --> 01:01:53.599
is colossally huge medical facility on the ship that we've seen, right,

1070
01:01:53.639 --> 01:01:56.000
It's like, you know, bigger than an Apple store and

1071
01:01:56.079 --> 01:01:58.679
Times Square. I mean, it's the biggest freaking you know,

1072
01:01:59.039 --> 01:02:02.159
it's a few huge sick bay. Right, you're telling me

1073
01:02:02.199 --> 01:02:04.880
there's one doctor on the ship, and like, okay, Christine,

1074
01:02:04.920 --> 01:02:06.800
you better like put on your girl pants. You're gonna

1075
01:02:06.800 --> 01:02:08.639
have to become a doctor now. It's just but the

1076
01:02:08.639 --> 01:02:10.440
whole thing is, it's just the writing is just you

1077
01:02:10.480 --> 01:02:12.960
need an excuse to get currents boked back together, and.

1078
01:02:15.000 --> 01:02:16.920
It's just it's just it's just writing.

1079
01:02:17.119 --> 01:02:18.880
Right, And and if you're having a good time, I

1080
01:02:18.880 --> 01:02:20.800
think you're willing to forgive that kind of stuff, right.

1081
01:02:21.519 --> 01:02:25.000
Yeah, that that was fine. That was fine. So overall,

1082
01:02:25.239 --> 01:02:27.719
you know, I'm I'm i gotta go with the nine

1083
01:02:27.760 --> 01:02:31.960
on this one. I enjoyed it a lot. There was

1084
01:02:32.000 --> 01:02:34.880
one thing Eric, was it Eric or Charles? It was saying,

1085
01:02:34.920 --> 01:02:37.480
you have to watch him back to back. Who said that,

1086
01:02:38.639 --> 01:02:39.599
Eric Charles?

1087
01:02:39.760 --> 01:02:41.760
I don't know Eric Charles.

1088
01:02:42.159 --> 01:02:45.320
When if you guys remember when when when we talked

1089
01:02:45.320 --> 01:02:48.719
about Part one, the way it ended it made Pike

1090
01:02:48.760 --> 01:02:51.320
look like an idiot because he's putting it.

1091
01:02:52.559 --> 01:02:55.039
I don't know who said that, but it was an absolute,

1092
01:02:55.119 --> 01:02:58.360
amazing cliffhanger. It was exactly on par with what we

1093
01:02:58.440 --> 01:03:01.320
got with Best of Both Worlds. It was like, cafton,

1094
01:03:01.360 --> 01:03:03.360
what do we do? And then it just fadesway. Doesn't

1095
01:03:03.360 --> 01:03:05.119
make him look like an idiot, It just makes him

1096
01:03:05.159 --> 01:03:07.039
look like he's making a decision now.

1097
01:03:07.119 --> 01:03:09.440
It makes him look it makes him look indecisive to

1098
01:03:09.519 --> 01:03:12.159
me because he's sitting there, put his hand on his head,

1099
01:03:12.199 --> 01:03:14.400
He's like, what should we do? When he's he's not

1100
01:03:14.519 --> 01:03:16.800
making a decision, the Gorners swarm in the ship and

1101
01:03:16.840 --> 01:03:20.760
he's doing nothing, and it ends. But one season when

1102
01:03:21.000 --> 01:03:23.760
part two starts up, Part two starts right at that

1103
01:03:23.880 --> 01:03:27.880
exact moment, and and he immediately goes to Spot, goes

1104
01:03:27.920 --> 01:03:31.480
to Una, goes to Ahura, gets some opinions I want

1105
01:03:31.480 --> 01:03:33.840
to do. So when you watch him back to back,

1106
01:03:34.199 --> 01:03:36.920
you don't get that pause. They kind of edited that

1107
01:03:36.960 --> 01:03:42.280
pause out so that my friends wraps up are brings

1108
01:03:42.360 --> 01:03:52.199
New World. Uh, stop that review, all right, So we're

1109
01:03:52.199 --> 01:03:56.039
gonna go into our polls. I'm not going to play

1110
01:03:56.039 --> 01:03:58.559
the song again because we already played it. So we're

1111
01:03:58.559 --> 01:04:01.400
gonna have Eric tell us a little bit about what

1112
01:04:01.440 --> 01:04:03.920
the fans thought about this episode. And I have to

1113
01:04:03.960 --> 01:04:06.239
go and break up Anakin and Lea because they're fighting

1114
01:04:06.320 --> 01:04:10.800
underneath the couch. I'll be right back, all right, No,

1115
01:04:10.960 --> 01:04:12.360
we're not, we're not.

1116
01:04:12.960 --> 01:04:18.360
I still have Cadet review in here. Jim wants to

1117
01:04:18.400 --> 01:04:20.400
pass it on, but I still have Cadet with you

1118
01:04:20.480 --> 01:04:29.480
through this episode, all right, all right, So strut off

1119
01:04:29.519 --> 01:04:30.480
with Enterprise.

1120
01:04:31.159 --> 01:04:35.639
They are the Voyages, Charles, what's the name of the

1121
01:04:35.760 --> 01:04:37.199
episode you're talking about?

1122
01:04:37.400 --> 01:04:37.679
Wedding?

1123
01:04:41.159 --> 01:04:45.079
Thank you to the show.

1124
01:04:47.320 --> 01:04:51.960
As we discuss wedding the Blues the first episode A

1125
01:04:52.000 --> 01:04:58.360
discusses enterprises. The are the Voyages the season finale of Enterprise.

1126
01:04:59.119 --> 01:05:01.679
And the reason I mentioned that is because the creation

1127
01:05:01.800 --> 01:05:05.559
of the creation of the Federation, which was twenty one

1128
01:05:05.719 --> 01:05:11.960
sixty one, in which this episode they are celebrating the

1129
01:05:12.079 --> 01:05:20.280
one hundredth anniversary, which occurring on twenty two sixty one.

1130
01:05:20.719 --> 01:05:27.679
Going into spoilers Coos the Squires of Gothis, which we

1131
01:05:27.760 --> 01:05:29.320
met Turlaine.

1132
01:05:31.519 --> 01:05:31.559
Q.

1133
01:05:32.360 --> 01:05:38.800
On the other hand, between tnv DS nine, Voyager Lower

1134
01:05:38.880 --> 01:05:46.480
De Expert Card twenty three separate appearances LS What Little

1135
01:05:46.480 --> 01:05:51.119
Girls Are Made Of? From season one where we hear

1136
01:05:51.239 --> 01:05:58.599
about Roger Corby and then in this reference and I

1137
01:05:58.880 --> 01:06:05.559
like it Highlight Zone, it's a good life. The Cornfield

1138
01:06:05.599 --> 01:06:08.639
reference as a young boy with power will send you

1139
01:06:08.719 --> 01:06:12.360
to the Cornfield as we kind of talk about a

1140
01:06:12.360 --> 01:06:14.559
little boy having a bit of a sometimes having a

1141
01:06:14.559 --> 01:06:20.679
bit of a temper tantrum. So, Eric, what did the

1142
01:06:20.679 --> 01:06:21.480
fans think?

1143
01:06:25.840 --> 01:06:31.840
Okay, we've got some fan scores for Wedding Bell Blues,

1144
01:06:31.880 --> 01:06:33.880
which is the name of the episode that we're talking

1145
01:06:33.920 --> 01:06:38.239
about right now. Michelle Sparrow said ten out of ten

1146
01:06:38.440 --> 01:06:41.599
with starry eyes. I want to gush, but I don't

1147
01:06:41.599 --> 01:06:44.519
want to spoil anything. I'll just leave it at a

1148
01:06:44.840 --> 01:06:48.920
love it with a livelong and prosper emoji. Thanks Michelle.

1149
01:06:49.519 --> 01:06:54.360
Malcolm Wood said loved it eight out of ten. Rahim

1150
01:06:54.679 --> 01:06:59.199
Samad said it was a seven until until you know

1151
01:06:59.360 --> 01:07:03.199
who popped up. You know there's some grammar stuff there,

1152
01:07:03.239 --> 01:07:06.199
but that gave it a ten. Holy smokes. Ryan started

1153
01:07:06.199 --> 01:07:08.280
with a seven and then gave us a ten. Ultimately,

1154
01:07:08.360 --> 01:07:12.920
I love that. Doc Savage, who I believe raised the

1155
01:07:13.000 --> 01:07:16.639
first episode a one, also rated this one on one,

1156
01:07:16.760 --> 01:07:19.920
so I just think Doc Savage maybe doesn't like Star Trek.

1157
01:07:19.960 --> 01:07:20.880
I don't know.

1158
01:07:21.320 --> 01:07:25.360
John Graham said a six felt a bit flat after

1159
01:07:25.400 --> 01:07:27.760
the energy of the first episode. I think John Graham

1160
01:07:27.760 --> 01:07:30.719
probably likes movies like die Hard and Big Trouble in

1161
01:07:30.760 --> 01:07:35.119
Little China. That's my guess. Karen Walker Atah said for me,

1162
01:07:35.280 --> 01:07:40.480
the end made it a ten. It was a duality mix,

1163
01:07:41.360 --> 01:07:45.320
a good one lane and cue that was very clever.

1164
01:07:45.480 --> 01:07:47.400
I tried to read that, but really it's a thing

1165
01:07:47.440 --> 01:07:50.199
you have to see. You can't really like read that

1166
01:07:50.320 --> 01:07:54.320
and make it as funny as it is. Elizabeth Budex

1167
01:07:54.360 --> 01:07:57.599
said about a seven, I felt sorry for Spock and

1168
01:07:57.679 --> 01:08:00.920
changed my opinion of jess Ooh girl, I want to

1169
01:08:00.920 --> 01:08:04.800
talk to you about that. Ashley Kill said, I liked it.

1170
01:08:05.360 --> 01:08:07.480
I would give it an eight. Unfortunately, I think it's

1171
01:08:07.519 --> 01:08:10.880
not going to make anyone happy for the old timers.

1172
01:08:11.320 --> 01:08:15.480
It's too much concentration on the crew romances. Is there

1173
01:08:15.559 --> 01:08:19.840
such a thing as too much concentration on crew romances?

1174
01:08:19.880 --> 01:08:23.199
For the new fans, it consisted too much of fans service,

1175
01:08:23.760 --> 01:08:28.439
all right, fair Ashley fair uh. Mary Lukowski said a

1176
01:08:28.560 --> 01:08:31.960
ten with an exclamation point. Whooh great story. Loved it,

1177
01:08:32.239 --> 01:08:37.760
so glad it's back, and Martin North said nine magnificent

1178
01:08:38.000 --> 01:08:41.319
with an exclamation point. That gives us a fan score

1179
01:08:42.239 --> 01:08:45.279
of only seven point six, which is zero point nine

1180
01:08:45.640 --> 01:08:49.560
less than we got for the last episode. So you know,

1181
01:08:50.000 --> 01:08:52.000
there may be a certain amount of who responds to

1182
01:08:52.039 --> 01:08:56.800
our polls involved in this. The one may have brought

1183
01:08:56.800 --> 01:08:58.920
it down quite a bit. But I would love to

1184
01:08:58.920 --> 01:09:00.439
talk more about this episode, said.

1185
01:09:04.039 --> 01:09:06.399
Well, I think that's what we're here to do, right Eric.

1186
01:09:07.159 --> 01:09:08.239
It is. It is.

1187
01:09:10.600 --> 01:09:13.520
As usual ladies can go first, so why don't you

1188
01:09:13.600 --> 01:09:14.279
get a started.

1189
01:09:15.159 --> 01:09:21.399
Yeah. I enjoyed this episode for a variety of reasons.

1190
01:09:22.560 --> 01:09:25.920
First off, seeing well, there was one funny thing with

1191
01:09:26.039 --> 01:09:30.520
Scotty where they offer him something to drink and he says,

1192
01:09:30.600 --> 01:09:33.279
I don't drink no, thank you. Did you notice that?

1193
01:09:34.680 --> 01:09:40.520
But I was. I harkened back to TNG with Data's

1194
01:09:40.600 --> 01:09:43.880
day where he wants to learn how to dance for

1195
01:09:45.039 --> 01:09:49.600
O'Brien and Keiko's wedding, and Spock is learning to dance

1196
01:09:50.199 --> 01:09:55.359
from La On. Interesting thing. Christina Chong is a dancer

1197
01:09:55.399 --> 01:09:59.079
in real life, just like as you all know, probably

1198
01:09:59.159 --> 01:10:04.479
Gates mcfenn is a dancer. She's a choreographer, choreographed one

1199
01:10:04.520 --> 01:10:11.159
of my favorite movies, Labyrinth, So that was neat to see.

1200
01:10:11.640 --> 01:10:17.359
And the I was not expecting, uh, the Berlaine guy,

1201
01:10:18.560 --> 01:10:21.560
because I didn't know that was him at first, and

1202
01:10:21.560 --> 01:10:24.119
then he gives you know, when he gives Spock that drink,

1203
01:10:24.119 --> 01:10:27.720
and then next morning everything changes. I actually had to

1204
01:10:27.720 --> 01:10:30.279
watch it twice because I didn't quite I missed the

1205
01:10:30.680 --> 01:10:34.680
you know, I somehow blanked out and missed what exactly happened.

1206
01:10:35.239 --> 01:10:39.119
But the thing that got to me that was just

1207
01:10:39.239 --> 01:10:43.159
absolutely beautiful because it was it was Corby and Spock

1208
01:10:43.199 --> 01:10:46.239
were the only two that knew that everything was screwed up.

1209
01:10:47.079 --> 01:10:51.399
And so when they're having that wedding that Stock knows

1210
01:10:51.439 --> 01:10:56.840
that he's not going to marry Christine, but he reads

1211
01:10:57.199 --> 01:11:01.479
this the first stanza of it's called a love Sonnet

1212
01:11:02.039 --> 01:11:08.439
eleven from apparently a very premiere Chilean poet by the

1213
01:11:08.520 --> 01:11:15.960
name of Pablo Neruda, and it just absolutely beautiful. It's

1214
01:11:16.000 --> 01:11:21.199
not overtly sexual, but it's definitely hot and very romantic,

1215
01:11:21.840 --> 01:11:23.800
so you can look it up if you want to

1216
01:11:23.840 --> 01:11:26.720
read the rest of it. But in that moment where

1217
01:11:26.720 --> 01:11:30.159
he reads it to Christine or he says, recites that

1218
01:11:30.279 --> 01:11:34.479
first stanza because Corby and I missed the part where

1219
01:11:34.520 --> 01:11:37.520
he read the same one to her. But she cries

1220
01:11:37.960 --> 01:11:41.039
as Spaka is reading it to her, and I don't

1221
01:11:41.079 --> 01:11:47.279
know if she somehow knew that by reading this or

1222
01:11:47.319 --> 01:11:52.399
reciting this poem that Spack was revealing his feelings, he

1223
01:11:52.479 --> 01:11:56.600
was laying bare his feelings for her. So that one

1224
01:11:57.239 --> 01:12:03.159
got me. And then finally at the very end when

1225
01:12:03.159 --> 01:12:08.079
they are dancing, I was not expecting one of my

1226
01:12:08.159 --> 01:12:12.239
favorite songs from Wham to play. That was great because

1227
01:12:12.279 --> 01:12:15.039
I had mentioned before I used to one hundred years ago.

1228
01:12:15.119 --> 01:12:18.720
I was a competition ballroom dancer, so anything with dancing

1229
01:12:18.760 --> 01:12:22.479
I love. And that was a great song to dance

1230
01:12:22.760 --> 01:12:28.640
a good swing too, So absolutely loved it. So I

1231
01:12:28.680 --> 01:12:31.079
have to disagree with Doc. Don't invite him, I guess

1232
01:12:31.159 --> 01:12:35.079
to any Star Trek viewing parties. I don't know. Uh,

1233
01:12:35.479 --> 01:12:39.720
kind of a bummer, but I really enjoyed it. Oh

1234
01:12:39.760 --> 01:12:46.560
and then forgot when Trelaine is being called back home,

1235
01:12:47.039 --> 01:12:48.640
who voiced his father.

1236
01:12:50.239 --> 01:12:51.520
John yep.

1237
01:12:51.760 --> 01:12:55.279
So that goes back to the whole thing with was

1238
01:12:55.319 --> 01:12:58.680
Plaine and q as Q. Would you know all that,

1239
01:12:58.680 --> 01:13:04.960
that whole uh that theory? So I would. I don't

1240
01:13:05.000 --> 01:13:08.000
know if I'm it was a ten for me, just

1241
01:13:08.399 --> 01:13:10.479
I just I really enjoyed it really good.

1242
01:13:12.960 --> 01:13:15.119
So I got to tell you a little story here,

1243
01:13:15.239 --> 01:13:17.319
V because I love to tell stories, because that's what

1244
01:13:17.359 --> 01:13:21.319
I do better. So, way way way way back season

1245
01:13:21.319 --> 01:13:23.960
one of TNG, my wife and I went up to

1246
01:13:24.000 --> 01:13:27.399
a convention that Syracuse and John Delancy was there. William

1247
01:13:27.439 --> 01:13:32.239
Campbell was also the yeah right, and so was Tashi

1248
01:13:32.439 --> 01:13:35.359
Denise Crosby. She had just died off on TG, that's

1249
01:13:35.399 --> 01:13:39.560
how early it was. And at that convention, John Delancy

1250
01:13:39.720 --> 01:13:43.520
told us that William Campbell was a que and was

1251
01:13:43.600 --> 01:13:47.399
his son. And this is way I'm talking a long

1252
01:13:47.439 --> 01:13:50.439
long time ago in the Galaxy Far far away. He

1253
01:13:50.600 --> 01:13:53.680
said that at a Star Trek convention. I was there.

1254
01:13:53.960 --> 01:13:58.199
I heard it, and now, all right, we know it's

1255
01:13:58.239 --> 01:14:00.600
true because pretty much that that's what they said in

1256
01:14:00.600 --> 01:14:02.600
the episode. So I just wanted to throw that little

1257
01:14:02.680 --> 01:14:07.279
story out there. I was there when John Delancy said that, Paul,

1258
01:14:07.479 --> 01:14:08.960
you want to jump in here.

1259
01:14:08.800 --> 01:14:12.399
Next happy to Uncle Jim.

1260
01:14:12.479 --> 01:14:12.760
Thanks.

1261
01:14:12.840 --> 01:14:17.560
Yeah. I love this show for a lot of different reasons.

1262
01:14:17.920 --> 01:14:22.079
I like the fact that they are able to bounce

1263
01:14:22.119 --> 01:14:24.279
around with different tones. We talked a lot about that

1264
01:14:24.359 --> 01:14:26.680
during our recap episode last week. Right, It's like they

1265
01:14:26.680 --> 01:14:28.479
can do it really great. You know what a way

1266
01:14:28.520 --> 01:14:30.640
to come back after a long hiatus, right if you

1267
01:14:30.680 --> 01:14:32.960
give us an exciting, thrilling you know, seat of your

1268
01:14:33.000 --> 01:14:40.159
pants auction picture. Right, I recognos me too well, but

1269
01:14:40.239 --> 01:14:42.960
then you have this wonderful dose of comedy following. So

1270
01:14:43.000 --> 01:14:45.479
a really shift of tone. Right, And so we're talking

1271
01:14:45.520 --> 01:14:48.960
here about wedding. Bell Blues is the intro, right, And

1272
01:14:49.640 --> 01:14:52.199
we're showing up at a star base right for this big,

1273
01:14:52.520 --> 01:14:58.279
fancy special occasion, right, Federation Day, And and basically everyone's

1274
01:14:58.359 --> 01:15:01.880
kind of thrown back together almost in like a Shakespearean

1275
01:15:01.920 --> 01:15:05.119
comedy type of environment, right at a wedding as the

1276
01:15:05.319 --> 01:15:09.920
event it's turned around from what we were expecting it

1277
01:15:09.960 --> 01:15:11.880
to be, and everyone's sort of taking stock of their

1278
01:15:12.479 --> 01:15:15.279
you know, their various stations in life, past, present, future,

1279
01:15:15.439 --> 01:15:19.720
right to celebrate this Federation milestone, but then changed at

1280
01:15:19.760 --> 01:15:24.319
the advent of an unexpected guest, right, and I'm a

1281
01:15:24.359 --> 01:15:29.319
big fan of what this show has done in the

1282
01:15:29.319 --> 01:15:32.960
past when they try to mount comedy in more comedic episodes.

1283
01:15:32.960 --> 01:15:35.119
I know we have a couple of them season, which

1284
01:15:35.159 --> 01:15:37.520
is great. I felt this one for me did not

1285
01:15:37.760 --> 01:15:41.119
really land well though, and I did the tone didn't

1286
01:15:41.159 --> 01:15:42.239
work great. I have no.

1287
01:15:44.720 --> 01:15:46.399
I like Rice Darby a lot.

1288
01:15:46.520 --> 01:15:48.560
I think he's a really good performer, right, I think

1289
01:15:48.560 --> 01:15:51.520
he's very funny. I've been enjoying his work since Flight

1290
01:15:51.560 --> 01:15:56.800
of the Concords, right. But again, it's just I found

1291
01:15:56.840 --> 01:16:03.199
the familiarity boring for me. It's just like, we're give

1292
01:16:03.239 --> 01:16:06.079
me something new that I haven't seen before, right, and

1293
01:16:06.119 --> 01:16:08.680
but here we are, even without him being spoken by name,

1294
01:16:09.399 --> 01:16:13.279
trundling out like Trelaine. Yet again, I'm like, it just

1295
01:16:13.520 --> 01:16:15.319
was I was. I was kind of like, oh, this

1296
01:16:15.359 --> 01:16:19.279
is what we're doing. Oh that's it. Huh So yeah,

1297
01:16:19.600 --> 01:16:22.680
I'm not, you know, I'm the folks on the show

1298
01:16:22.880 --> 01:16:25.399
will know that. You know, I don't take great delight

1299
01:16:25.479 --> 01:16:29.199
in recognizing something that I've seen before. Oh that's Trelaine.

1300
01:16:29.319 --> 01:16:30.199
I recognize that.

1301
01:16:30.399 --> 01:16:33.399
Therefore I should be I should like it, and I

1302
01:16:33.439 --> 01:16:37.039
am not. That way, recognition of something is not enough

1303
01:16:37.079 --> 01:16:40.399
to give it standing. What did you do with it right?

1304
01:16:40.439 --> 01:16:42.079
How did you make it fresh? Why did you make

1305
01:16:42.119 --> 01:16:44.840
it matter other than it seeming recycled? And for me

1306
01:16:44.920 --> 01:16:47.840
this felt really recycled, right. I felt that there was

1307
01:16:47.880 --> 01:16:52.319
a real jarring tone. It was really awkward Spock showing

1308
01:16:52.359 --> 01:16:54.840
up in the bar and you know, when she's there

1309
01:16:54.880 --> 01:16:57.800
with her new boyfriend. It was just like painfully nails

1310
01:16:57.800 --> 01:17:00.760
on the chalkboard awful, which I as it was supposed

1311
01:17:00.800 --> 01:17:00.960
to be.

1312
01:17:01.039 --> 01:17:02.560
But it was kind of.

1313
01:17:04.439 --> 01:17:08.239
I know that, but it was was uncomfortable as a viewer,

1314
01:17:08.479 --> 01:17:12.119
As a viewer assessing written drama or comedy, I was

1315
01:17:12.159 --> 01:17:13.279
just like, this is not working.

1316
01:17:13.359 --> 01:17:16.640
I'm finding it really jarring and not and just didn't

1317
01:17:16.680 --> 01:17:19.399
work right. I did not care for this iteration of

1318
01:17:19.479 --> 01:17:24.560
Rodrick Korby very much. So yeah, my bottom line assessment

1319
01:17:24.560 --> 01:17:26.640
would be, you know, wake me up before you know

1320
01:17:26.880 --> 01:17:30.199
no no, right, I mean this, and I mean I

1321
01:17:30.239 --> 01:17:32.479
literally if you had a picture of my face when

1322
01:17:32.479 --> 01:17:38.439
the Wham song came on, I mean just the glaring.

1323
01:17:38.920 --> 01:17:41.319
I'm sure somebody jumped up in a writer's room meeting

1324
01:17:41.319 --> 01:17:43.439
and suggested that they played that song. I thought it

1325
01:17:43.520 --> 01:17:47.399
was just a falling choice and really uncomfortable and just

1326
01:17:47.680 --> 01:17:52.119
glaringly sacram So yeah, I would have there were a

1327
01:17:52.159 --> 01:17:54.520
lot of things that work good individual scenes. I don't

1328
01:17:54.600 --> 01:17:57.079
really fault the performers there. I think it was a

1329
01:17:57.199 --> 01:18:02.720
terrible choice and that had a great right. I don't

1330
01:18:02.760 --> 01:18:05.079
want to discourage them from doing comedy, but it just

1331
01:18:05.159 --> 01:18:08.159
a lot of it landed really awkwardly for me on.

1332
01:18:09.920 --> 01:18:10.279
The whole.

1333
01:18:10.279 --> 01:18:14.680
Look on everybody at the just accepting everything that they've seen.

1334
01:18:14.760 --> 01:18:17.159
It just you know, I don't know, it just didn't

1335
01:18:17.159 --> 01:18:18.920
sit well with me. I mean, maybe I'll like it

1336
01:18:18.960 --> 01:18:22.079
better on a second viewing. But again, I like the

1337
01:18:22.079 --> 01:18:26.479
fact that they do comedy. I think I would probably

1338
01:18:26.640 --> 01:18:30.720
give it a seven, but you know, that's as high

1339
01:18:30.720 --> 01:18:34.560
as I can go. A Wham song was just oh god,

1340
01:18:34.680 --> 01:18:40.359
I just wanted to leave the room suddenly. Yeah, it

1341
01:18:40.439 --> 01:18:43.800
is a great song. If it's nineteen eighty four and

1342
01:18:43.880 --> 01:18:45.000
your dance.

1343
01:18:44.720 --> 01:18:48.680
Paul forgets that people still listen to Beethoven. Yeah, you

1344
01:18:48.760 --> 01:18:51.279
forget that people still listen to music that's four hundred

1345
01:18:51.359 --> 01:18:51.800
years old.

1346
01:18:51.880 --> 01:18:54.640
You know, cream corn is great v but I don't

1347
01:18:54.640 --> 01:18:57.960
want it in my ice cream sunset, right, It's just

1348
01:18:58.000 --> 01:19:01.279
it's just because it's great doesn't mean it belongs to here.

1349
01:19:02.000 --> 01:19:06.119
So yeah, I'd give it a seven. I was very

1350
01:19:06.359 --> 01:19:09.199
uneven for me, and and you know, I, you know,

1351
01:19:09.399 --> 01:19:11.319
part of me wants to score it lower because it

1352
01:19:11.399 --> 01:19:13.880
was just not I just felt it.

1353
01:19:13.840 --> 01:19:17.199
Was the like you and you and Doc need to

1354
01:19:17.239 --> 01:19:17.920
get together.

1355
01:19:19.079 --> 01:19:20.760
I don't think so. I think it's a big difference.

1356
01:19:20.760 --> 01:19:21.640
I don't want on a seven.

1357
01:19:21.720 --> 01:19:22.760
But I know I.

1358
01:19:25.880 --> 01:19:29.760
Have standards from my critical assessments, and everything has to

1359
01:19:29.800 --> 01:19:33.600
match the same standards, sure, right, and they do and

1360
01:19:33.600 --> 01:19:35.039
and I just you know, they're not the same as

1361
01:19:35.079 --> 01:19:38.239
everybody else's. But and that's fine. But for me, this

1362
01:19:38.399 --> 01:19:42.239
was awkward and a little tone deaf. So I am

1363
01:19:42.319 --> 01:19:44.239
hoping for better on their next comedic outing.

1364
01:19:47.439 --> 01:19:51.359
You know what I was like following me that that one,

1365
01:19:51.399 --> 01:19:55.039
that one, that one score on the last episode that

1366
01:19:55.159 --> 01:19:57.920
lady gave it a nine point nine nine nine nine

1367
01:19:57.960 --> 01:20:00.079
nine nine nine nine nine nine nine. And I know

1368
01:20:00.119 --> 01:20:01.680
how much you love decimals.

1369
01:20:02.479 --> 01:20:04.640
I just like people to commit, right, It's just that's

1370
01:20:04.680 --> 01:20:07.439
just it, right. It's like, you know, it's like, find

1371
01:20:07.479 --> 01:20:11.119
me any critical That's my point is, find me any

1372
01:20:11.840 --> 01:20:16.199
movie review article, TV show article, any critical thing anywhere.

1373
01:20:16.239 --> 01:20:19.680
Show me somebody who rates something by a point, it's

1374
01:20:19.720 --> 01:20:25.079
abc D, it's one, two, three, four five and planetarily nobody,

1375
01:20:25.560 --> 01:20:28.199
nobody uses that decimal rubric. So it just makes us look,

1376
01:20:29.199 --> 01:20:33.359
you know, like we can't really commit to, you know,

1377
01:20:33.880 --> 01:20:35.800
making an opinion. It's like we have to waffle, and

1378
01:20:35.840 --> 01:20:38.399
I just don't like so it's just me. Nobody else

1379
01:20:38.439 --> 01:20:40.520
has to do it that way. It's just my own thoughts.

1380
01:20:40.520 --> 01:20:43.760
But that's fine. Yeah, I don't like why more of

1381
01:20:43.800 --> 01:20:48.239
a pancake kind of guy than a waffle kind of guy.

1382
01:20:49.960 --> 01:20:52.920
All right, Charles, do you want to jump in here?

1383
01:20:53.000 --> 01:20:53.520
Next body?

1384
01:20:54.520 --> 01:21:01.640
Okay, this did have some kind well, okay, quite a

1385
01:21:01.640 --> 01:21:05.640
few things of this episode. I thought it interesting that

1386
01:21:06.199 --> 01:21:09.920
it took me to watchings to catch one of the

1387
01:21:09.920 --> 01:21:13.640
things where Pikes sit theres and said that the wedding

1388
01:21:13.680 --> 01:21:17.600
plan is an Adrian. And it's like, it took me

1389
01:21:19.399 --> 01:21:24.279
two scenes to understand the line, because whether you while

1390
01:21:24.319 --> 01:21:28.119
you see Laine as an irishman, if you look at

1391
01:21:28.119 --> 01:21:34.039
his pad when he talked to Spock the second time

1392
01:21:34.079 --> 01:21:37.760
I talk talk about the wedding, you see his reflection

1393
01:21:38.680 --> 01:21:44.279
as an Andrian, but not as a irishman. But then

1394
01:21:44.319 --> 01:21:46.920
I think I thought I saw in the bar scene

1395
01:21:46.920 --> 01:21:50.680
when we first see him, we see his reflection in

1396
01:21:50.920 --> 01:21:56.520
the table, and he looks a lot more young, and

1397
01:21:56.640 --> 01:21:59.680
yet we look in see him later, we see him

1398
01:21:59.680 --> 01:22:03.760
in me after and hethings older. So I think they

1399
01:22:03.760 --> 01:22:08.800
were trying to drop hints there about him not being

1400
01:22:08.880 --> 01:22:18.880
who he appeared to be. I thought Ortega's definite fight scenes,

1401
01:22:19.159 --> 01:22:24.960
I think interesting to see her anger. We always see

1402
01:22:25.000 --> 01:22:29.520
about her, always in control of making sure she runs

1403
01:22:29.560 --> 01:22:33.159
a ship. At this point she was showing up with

1404
01:22:33.239 --> 01:22:38.600
a lot of anger. And the reason I said at

1405
01:22:38.600 --> 01:22:41.319
the end of the last episode that I hope is

1406
01:22:41.399 --> 01:22:45.199
the last time we see the Gorn, But when we

1407
01:22:45.239 --> 01:22:48.399
see her at that final scene after the wedding, after

1408
01:22:48.439 --> 01:22:53.159
the dance, and she's sitting there looking looking out out

1409
01:22:53.159 --> 01:22:59.399
in the stars, and we see that Gorn behind her,

1410
01:23:00.279 --> 01:23:02.800
So I think it's interesting that I wonder if we're

1411
01:23:02.840 --> 01:23:06.119
gonna have a chance with the Gourd again. So I'm

1412
01:23:06.199 --> 01:23:19.560
kind of hoping we don't. Yes, I think spot I

1413
01:23:19.680 --> 01:23:21.880
say I didn't mind the Wham scene, just that I

1414
01:23:21.920 --> 01:23:29.119
didn't mind the Beg's song and discovery m hm. But hey,

1415
01:23:29.199 --> 01:23:31.439
I look at like, oh, we're gonna go into some

1416
01:23:31.680 --> 01:23:37.960
classic old old rock. It's like, Okay, hey, that's fine

1417
01:23:37.960 --> 01:23:42.760
with me. They still have an interest in music other

1418
01:23:42.880 --> 01:23:46.039
than a movie where they decided to go with punk rock.

1419
01:23:49.800 --> 01:23:54.439
But I like the fact that Spock was uncomfortable. I

1420
01:23:54.439 --> 01:24:00.239
think we needed Spock uncomfortable with this and how his

1421
01:24:00.359 --> 01:24:04.199
pocket snapped out of it is because he started getting

1422
01:24:04.239 --> 01:24:11.640
a chance with emotion. And I think that's why Christine

1423
01:24:11.720 --> 01:24:16.399
came out, because she started getting a burst of emotion

1424
01:24:18.439 --> 01:24:22.000
and that knock the spell of Treuline had created.

1425
01:24:26.920 --> 01:24:27.479
But that.

1426
01:24:30.239 --> 01:24:37.600
The little relationship between her and the brother was interesting.

1427
01:24:37.920 --> 01:24:43.439
I'm not sure how far that's gonna go, but we'll

1428
01:24:43.520 --> 01:24:54.560
have to see you on that team. So the episode,

1429
01:24:54.880 --> 01:24:58.479
I'll give an eight. It was good, but it needed

1430
01:24:58.520 --> 01:25:01.159
some work and I'm not sure we really need terline back.

1431
01:25:04.920 --> 01:25:07.439
Okay eight from Charles, how about you? Eric?

1432
01:25:10.279 --> 01:25:16.920
Okay man. I think that generally speaking, I'm falling way

1433
01:25:16.960 --> 01:25:19.840
more on the side of the on this episode. I

1434
01:25:19.920 --> 01:25:24.279
found this episode to be absolutely delightful. I watched it

1435
01:25:24.359 --> 01:25:26.880
twice and I kind of wanted to watch it a

1436
01:25:26.920 --> 01:25:32.279
third time after I watched it. I love the whole setup.

1437
01:25:32.319 --> 01:25:35.680
I love the fact that there's a a kind of

1438
01:25:35.720 --> 01:25:41.199
like fanciful wedding that's happening, and that we are living

1439
01:25:41.239 --> 01:25:47.039
out Spock and Chapel's kind of dreams. In this one,

1440
01:25:47.199 --> 01:25:50.840
I feel it was very similar to you know, Subspace

1441
01:25:50.920 --> 01:25:54.840
Rhapsody and the episode with am Benga's daughter from a

1442
01:25:54.880 --> 01:25:57.159
previous season that I can't think of the name of

1443
01:25:57.520 --> 01:26:03.000
right now. So many like the writing in this episode

1444
01:26:03.079 --> 01:26:07.359
I thought was fantastic. There are so many great little jokes,

1445
01:26:07.439 --> 01:26:09.760
little things that kind of come up that made me

1446
01:26:09.840 --> 01:26:13.159
giggle while I was watching it. Just the very beginning

1447
01:26:13.199 --> 01:26:16.000
where Spock's trying to choose between the blue uniforms like

1448
01:26:16.079 --> 01:26:22.920
brought me, brought me right into the episode. I will

1449
01:26:22.960 --> 01:26:24.960
say that I think Ethan Peck one of the things

1450
01:26:24.960 --> 01:26:29.239
that he does very well as Spock that I that

1451
01:26:29.359 --> 01:26:32.600
I almost feel like no other Spock actors have done.

1452
01:26:32.600 --> 01:26:35.039
And maybe it's been because the writing hasn't allowed them

1453
01:26:35.079 --> 01:26:38.960
to do this, but he does a smile without doing

1454
01:26:39.000 --> 01:26:43.640
a smile better than anybody. You kind of see his elation.

1455
01:26:43.800 --> 01:26:46.520
I don't know if it's a change in the shape

1456
01:26:46.520 --> 01:26:49.720
of his cheeks or his eyes or what it is,

1457
01:26:49.760 --> 01:26:51.680
but like you look at his mouth and it's not

1458
01:26:51.840 --> 01:26:54.560
turned up, it's not a smile, and yet you can

1459
01:26:54.600 --> 01:26:57.720
totally tell he's smiling. And I feel like this episode

1460
01:26:57.760 --> 01:27:01.640
gives us several instances of that, which I just found

1461
01:27:01.720 --> 01:27:07.439
to be absolutely delightful. We get a new character, we

1462
01:27:07.479 --> 01:27:11.760
get this ensign, this medical ensign introduced who. I don't

1463
01:27:12.079 --> 01:27:14.439
think they actually ever say his name. I didn't actually

1464
01:27:14.439 --> 01:27:16.199
spend time on the internet trying to figure out what

1465
01:27:16.199 --> 01:27:21.079
his name is, but clearly they spent writing time introducing

1466
01:27:21.119 --> 01:27:24.079
this character and saying that em Benga really likes him.

1467
01:27:24.520 --> 01:27:29.840
So I don't know who that is, but I'm very

1468
01:27:29.880 --> 01:27:35.960
interested in his character. You know, I think everybody who's

1469
01:27:36.000 --> 01:27:39.199
reviewed the episode so far except maybe V said Trelaine.

1470
01:27:39.279 --> 01:27:44.399
Maybe V did say Trellaine. But but okay, So so

1471
01:27:44.560 --> 01:27:47.079
from TG, we've got Q right, and we've got the

1472
01:27:47.199 --> 01:27:52.640
return of John Delancy's voice here. We already know there

1473
01:27:52.640 --> 01:27:55.680
are multiple cues, right, TNG gave us Q, they give

1474
01:27:55.760 --> 01:27:58.960
us the female Q, they give us Q two whose

1475
01:27:59.600 --> 01:28:05.439
ques son? So I'm not convinced that Rhys Darby is

1476
01:28:05.479 --> 01:28:11.319
playing is specifically playing Trellaine here. Yes he dresses the

1477
01:28:11.359 --> 01:28:15.199
same way, Yes he has kind of the same uh

1478
01:28:15.600 --> 01:28:20.680
you know, uh sort of like attitude towards having fun

1479
01:28:20.760 --> 01:28:24.840
with people that that would make it feel recycled maybe

1480
01:28:24.880 --> 01:28:26.720
a little bit. I don't know. I almost wondered if

1481
01:28:26.720 --> 01:28:29.560
he was like a like a brother or a cousin.

1482
01:28:29.960 --> 01:28:32.800
My point is that there are multiple cues out there

1483
01:28:32.840 --> 01:28:36.079
in the universe. There's a whole Q continuum out there.

1484
01:28:36.319 --> 01:28:39.279
So yes, is he a que one hundred percent? Is

1485
01:28:39.319 --> 01:28:43.600
he Trelaine? Yeah? Maybe not. Maybe young cues have a

1486
01:28:43.640 --> 01:28:50.199
tendency to be flamboyant, have a tendency to be mischievous,

1487
01:28:50.279 --> 01:28:53.359
have a tendency to want to like interfere in people's

1488
01:28:53.680 --> 01:28:57.000
stuff so much in the same way we got several

1489
01:28:57.119 --> 01:29:02.279
Q episodes throughout the chorus of Next Generation, I've I

1490
01:29:02.399 --> 01:29:05.199
actually loved the return. I thought Rhys Darby did a

1491
01:29:05.239 --> 01:29:09.119
great job of playing this character. The fact that they

1492
01:29:09.119 --> 01:29:10.359
made him a wedding.

1493
01:29:10.079 --> 01:29:16.079
Planner was absolutely amazing, Like he was doing all the

1494
01:29:16.119 --> 01:29:19.399
things that a wedding planner would would do, and like

1495
01:29:20.720 --> 01:29:23.520
almost to like the nth degree of making it a

1496
01:29:23.520 --> 01:29:24.319
little bit trophy.

1497
01:29:24.359 --> 01:29:26.520
So I just I don't know, I just really like that.

1498
01:29:29.199 --> 01:29:33.640
What else, let's see, Uh, there's the nobody's talked yet

1499
01:29:33.680 --> 01:29:40.680
about the interaction between Ortegas's brother and Uhura. I thought

1500
01:29:40.880 --> 01:29:44.680
that interaction was really amazing. In fact, this entire episode

1501
01:29:44.720 --> 01:29:49.800
is kind of laid against this backdrop of multiple romantic iterations. Right,

1502
01:29:49.840 --> 01:29:55.079
We've got Pike and his girlfriend Battel, We've got a

1503
01:29:55.079 --> 01:29:57.920
budding relationship, and I don't think do they have her

1504
01:29:58.039 --> 01:30:02.159
name or Tegas's brothers and name. I can't think of

1505
01:30:02.159 --> 01:30:04.800
what his name is. If I googled it, i'd probably

1506
01:30:04.800 --> 01:30:08.640
find something, but I don't think they. I guess what

1507
01:30:08.680 --> 01:30:10.399
I would say is that if you're going to introduce

1508
01:30:10.399 --> 01:30:15.600
a new character that has a main art in an episode,

1509
01:30:15.600 --> 01:30:17.680
you should say his name a couple of times so

1510
01:30:17.720 --> 01:30:20.760
that actually people kind of get used to knowing who

1511
01:30:20.800 --> 01:30:22.840
he is. I have no idea. I watched the episode twice.

1512
01:30:22.880 --> 01:30:24.439
I still have no idea what the guy's name is.

1513
01:30:26.319 --> 01:30:28.760
But the interaction between him and Uhura I thought was

1514
01:30:28.800 --> 01:30:32.199
really cute. There's that episode where the three of them

1515
01:30:32.239 --> 01:30:36.479
are walking down the corridor together and they're sort of

1516
01:30:36.479 --> 01:30:40.079
flirting with one another, and the Ortegis is like, absolutely not,

1517
01:30:40.239 --> 01:30:43.800
this will not It's just like I love that. I

1518
01:30:43.920 --> 01:30:52.159
just really love that scene. In general, let's see uh okay.

1519
01:30:52.319 --> 01:30:56.079
Regarding the kind of like trelineness of this character. So

1520
01:30:57.319 --> 01:30:59.640
when they get towards the end of the episode and

1521
01:30:59.640 --> 01:31:05.039
it's the actual wedding and and they're kind of revealing

1522
01:31:05.119 --> 01:31:09.039
who he is, and he starts, he starts kind of

1523
01:31:09.079 --> 01:31:11.640
freaking out about like how he's going to kill people

1524
01:31:12.239 --> 01:31:16.000
and he's going to start with the dog. Everybody dies

1525
01:31:17.319 --> 01:31:19.399
except the person in the back who has no mouth.

1526
01:31:20.199 --> 01:31:25.000
They can live. That to me just kind of up

1527
01:31:25.000 --> 01:31:28.840
to the anti on the childishness of that type of

1528
01:31:28.920 --> 01:31:30.359
a character. I think we get some of that in

1529
01:31:30.399 --> 01:31:34.520
the in the you know, Squire of Gothos. Obviously they

1530
01:31:34.520 --> 01:31:37.319
try and drive that home, and it just kind of

1531
01:31:37.600 --> 01:31:40.399
for me, I think some folks are seeing this as

1532
01:31:40.479 --> 01:31:43.000
kind of a rehash of that story. I was seeing

1533
01:31:43.000 --> 01:31:46.800
this as a upping the anti on that kind of story.

1534
01:31:46.920 --> 01:31:49.800
Like we put it against the backdrop of a fantasy

1535
01:31:50.000 --> 01:31:53.000
wherein Spock is getting married that didn't happen in the

1536
01:31:53.000 --> 01:31:57.880
first episode, right the whole like Roger Kirby Chapel thing

1537
01:31:58.039 --> 01:32:01.800
that didn't happen in the first episode. So to me,

1538
01:32:01.920 --> 01:32:05.119
this was a just a really fun episode that I've

1539
01:32:05.159 --> 01:32:09.000
watched twice that I want to watch again. Like Honestly,

1540
01:32:09.239 --> 01:32:12.920
I don't want to watch Hegemony two again. I feel

1541
01:32:12.960 --> 01:32:14.840
like I kind of got that episode the first time

1542
01:32:14.840 --> 01:32:18.159
I watched it. I've watched this one twice, and it

1543
01:32:18.239 --> 01:32:20.279
makes me want to watch it again much in the

1544
01:32:20.319 --> 01:32:23.840
same way Subspace Rhapsody did. So to me, that makes

1545
01:32:23.960 --> 01:32:26.039
a really good episode of Star Trek when I just

1546
01:32:26.119 --> 01:32:28.920
kind of want to keep going on it, and I

1547
01:32:29.000 --> 01:32:31.960
noticed the things the second time that I watched it.

1548
01:32:32.000 --> 01:32:35.359
I got more delight the second time that I watched it.

1549
01:32:36.479 --> 01:32:39.279
So yeah, I mean, just so many great lines the

1550
01:32:39.319 --> 01:32:42.319
whole like you can't sleep try counting troubles, you know,

1551
01:32:42.880 --> 01:32:46.880
It's just like it's like so many great, cute little lines.

1552
01:32:46.920 --> 01:32:50.479
So I found this episode really cute, really delightful. It

1553
01:32:50.640 --> 01:32:55.560
made me laugh. It finally put to bed the whole

1554
01:32:55.800 --> 01:32:59.800
thing of like sexual tension between Spock and Chapel. I

1555
01:33:00.039 --> 01:33:02.039
think we're done with that story now, which I'm super

1556
01:33:02.079 --> 01:33:04.239
glad about because I feel like we've we spent enough

1557
01:33:04.279 --> 01:33:07.560
time on that. So yeah, I I gave this one

1558
01:33:07.560 --> 01:33:10.239
a nine. I liked it way better than Hegemony two,

1559
01:33:11.640 --> 01:33:13.560
and and I'm gonna go watch it again when we're

1560
01:33:13.600 --> 01:33:14.000
done here.

1561
01:33:15.039 --> 01:33:18.960
Excellent, excellent, so nobody talked about Lieutenant Erics.

1562
01:33:21.079 --> 01:33:23.039
Well, I wanted to talk a little bit about her,

1563
01:33:23.159 --> 01:33:26.359
like the like Okay, so, Jim, I would love to

1564
01:33:26.359 --> 01:33:29.239
hear what your theory is. Oh, she is, because I

1565
01:33:29.239 --> 01:33:29.880
have a theory too.

1566
01:33:30.720 --> 01:33:33.640
You know. Uh, the last time I think we've only

1567
01:33:34.439 --> 01:33:37.920
I think we only ever saw an Adosian on t

1568
01:33:38.039 --> 01:33:46.359
O S I believe. I don't think we've the animated series. Yeah, yep, I.

1569
01:33:46.319 --> 01:33:52.600
Think we saw him in uh lower decks.

1570
01:33:52.880 --> 01:33:58.359
If you talked about them, all right, that's another animated series.

1571
01:33:58.439 --> 01:33:59.960
So I think this is the first time we've seen

1572
01:34:00.159 --> 01:34:03.960
him seeing one live action, and I thought it was great.

1573
01:34:04.000 --> 01:34:05.960
I thought they did it a great job. And I

1574
01:34:06.000 --> 01:34:08.760
love the way that she was making the drinks with

1575
01:34:09.079 --> 01:34:09.640
three arms.

1576
01:34:09.640 --> 01:34:12.800
But the Jim, am I wrong. The the arm was

1577
01:34:12.840 --> 01:34:14.760
in the back instead of out of the front of

1578
01:34:14.800 --> 01:34:18.039
the chest. So there's a little bit of like change there.

1579
01:34:18.880 --> 01:34:21.279
Yeah, the arm was in the back or was her

1580
01:34:21.319 --> 01:34:23.159
head turned? I'll have to go back and round.

1581
01:34:23.239 --> 01:34:26.199
No, no, no, her arm was clearly coming out of

1582
01:34:26.239 --> 01:34:28.600
the middle of her back, and Erics's arm was clearly

1583
01:34:28.640 --> 01:34:29.640
coming out of the front.

1584
01:34:29.399 --> 01:34:29.920
Of his chest.

1585
01:34:30.119 --> 01:34:32.159
It didn't really like take me out of it, but

1586
01:34:32.199 --> 01:34:35.000
there's a big change there in terms of the anatomy

1587
01:34:35.000 --> 01:34:35.720
of an Adosian.

1588
01:34:36.079 --> 01:34:38.840
Maybe it's gender, you know what I'm saying.

1589
01:34:39.880 --> 01:34:43.760
What I'm saying is she Erics's mom. Maybe she's going

1590
01:34:43.760 --> 01:34:46.039
to show up on the Enterprise. She's got a job now,

1591
01:34:46.159 --> 01:34:49.199
right she we only.

1592
01:34:49.560 --> 01:34:54.920
Get killed, We only we only met her for a

1593
01:34:54.960 --> 01:34:57.039
few minutes. But a few minutes that we did meet her.

1594
01:34:57.039 --> 01:34:59.720
I liked her. I like I liked what they did

1595
01:34:59.720 --> 01:35:01.800
with their just for the few lines that she had.

1596
01:35:02.399 --> 01:35:05.840
You offer me a job and uh, you know, Una

1597
01:35:05.880 --> 01:35:10.880
and Piker like huh yeah, so you know we we

1598
01:35:11.760 --> 01:35:15.399
I don't think this is a spoiler too much. Uh,

1599
01:35:15.920 --> 01:35:19.279
Kurtzman did say, I read an article. We'll talk about

1600
01:35:19.279 --> 01:35:21.199
it more and our next time we do Star Trek News,

1601
01:35:21.199 --> 01:35:23.920
which will be next week, that they're going to be

1602
01:35:24.000 --> 01:35:28.239
leading Strange New Worlds into a soft TOS reboot type

1603
01:35:28.239 --> 01:35:32.079
of a deal. And if that's the case, having an

1604
01:35:32.119 --> 01:35:35.119
Adosian on the ship would lead right into t AS.

1605
01:35:36.279 --> 01:35:39.880
Whether or not it's Lieutenant Eric's or his mom, whoever

1606
01:35:39.920 --> 01:35:42.039
this other character was. I don't think this character had

1607
01:35:42.039 --> 01:35:44.239
a name, but this.

1608
01:35:44.159 --> 01:35:48.800
Could be All doesn't and Jim doesn't Tas happen after

1609
01:35:49.159 --> 01:35:51.640
t O S isn't that years four and five?

1610
01:35:52.600 --> 01:35:57.159
That's what they say, And you know, we don't know

1611
01:35:57.239 --> 01:36:02.119
when this this reboot thing would be happening, but it

1612
01:36:02.159 --> 01:36:04.239
seems like they're heading in that direction. But I like

1613
01:36:04.319 --> 01:36:06.279
the character anyways, and I was glad that they put

1614
01:36:06.279 --> 01:36:09.760
the character in there. It looked great. The CGI on

1615
01:36:09.800 --> 01:36:13.079
that character looked great, her motion looked you know, was good,

1616
01:36:13.600 --> 01:36:16.119
and I liked her interaction with Pike and it so

1617
01:36:16.159 --> 01:36:20.520
that was that. I loved the Wam song. As soon

1618
01:36:20.520 --> 01:36:24.119
as that song came on there, I loved it. And

1619
01:36:25.079 --> 01:36:28.039
the one thing I was disappointed in was I want

1620
01:36:28.399 --> 01:36:31.600
Pike is standing on the dance floor alone. Erica is

1621
01:36:31.600 --> 01:36:34.079
standing at the table. The Wham song comes on, everyone

1622
01:36:34.079 --> 01:36:36.560
gets up to dance. I wanted to see Erica dance

1623
01:36:36.600 --> 01:36:40.680
with Pike. Instead, she went down and punched a punching bag.

1624
01:36:41.680 --> 01:36:44.479
Totally agree with you, Jim, But but what they needed

1625
01:36:44.520 --> 01:36:47.560
to do in that moment was they needed to establish

1626
01:36:47.960 --> 01:36:50.680
the fact that she's still got this PTSD from the

1627
01:36:50.840 --> 01:36:53.399
corn tax. So like, I kind of wanted that too,

1628
01:36:54.000 --> 01:36:55.600
But I understand why they didn't do that.

1629
01:36:55.920 --> 01:37:00.520
Yeah, I understand it too, absolutely, But I was hopeing

1630
01:37:00.560 --> 01:37:03.119
because Pike was kind of standing there. She was kind

1631
01:37:03.119 --> 01:37:05.760
of standing there, and I was like, let's see it.

1632
01:37:05.800 --> 01:37:08.600
But we did. I loved I love the Kirk or

1633
01:37:08.800 --> 01:37:11.920
the Spock and on dancing, you gotta go loose, you

1634
01:37:11.960 --> 01:37:13.920
gotta go loose, and she's trying to teach him how

1635
01:37:13.960 --> 01:37:16.920
to dance and he's like, my shoulders are precisely at

1636
01:37:16.960 --> 01:37:20.520
a forty five angle as you instructed, blah blah blah,

1637
01:37:20.800 --> 01:37:23.960
and you know, I thought that was all great. And

1638
01:37:24.000 --> 01:37:26.279
then finally at the end when they realized the wedding

1639
01:37:26.319 --> 01:37:27.920
wasn't real, and she says, well, you came to your

1640
01:37:27.920 --> 01:37:31.279
wedding to dance, let's dance and Spock was cutting a rug.

1641
01:37:31.840 --> 01:37:32.119
So I.

1642
01:37:34.319 --> 01:37:38.119
Thought that was great. So I like that was that Trelaine?

1643
01:37:38.199 --> 01:37:41.399
I gotta say absolutely, yes, I feel that that was

1644
01:37:41.439 --> 01:37:46.399
Trelaine because the character was too to Eric's point, you know,

1645
01:37:46.439 --> 01:37:48.560
every cue that we've seen has kind of been a

1646
01:37:48.640 --> 01:37:53.279
cue of their own, whereas this particular one was too much.

1647
01:37:53.359 --> 01:37:57.720
He said, tally ho, he dressed like Trelaine, he had

1648
01:37:57.760 --> 01:38:01.479
the mannerisms of Trelaine. It was too close to that.

1649
01:38:01.960 --> 01:38:04.880
But every other que week Jim was wearing a next

1650
01:38:04.880 --> 01:38:07.960
generation uniform. Does that mean they all wear next generation

1651
01:38:08.079 --> 01:38:09.039
uniforms now.

1652
01:38:09.039 --> 01:38:09.960
In the next generation?

1653
01:38:10.920 --> 01:38:12.920
Yeah, but I mean that's what I'm saying.

1654
01:38:13.760 --> 01:38:15.359
That's the only time we've ever seen one.

1655
01:38:15.640 --> 01:38:17.439
He had a different outfit than he had in the

1656
01:38:17.479 --> 01:38:18.840
Square of Gothos.

1657
01:38:19.119 --> 01:38:21.399
Yeah, but that was sixty years ago. That outfits probably

1658
01:38:21.479 --> 01:38:22.239
long gois.

1659
01:38:23.399 --> 01:38:25.439
So you're saying that there can't be more than one

1660
01:38:25.560 --> 01:38:28.399
flamboyant like Tralaine out there.

1661
01:38:29.439 --> 01:38:32.880
There could be many of them, but you know, in

1662
01:38:32.920 --> 01:38:36.920
this particular case, I'm pretty sure that that was Trelaine.

1663
01:38:37.039 --> 01:38:40.319
And to the people that are saying it broke cannon,

1664
01:38:40.520 --> 01:38:42.680
it was total crap. I'm going to give it a one.

1665
01:38:43.039 --> 01:38:45.640
All right, few people are wrong, and let me explain

1666
01:38:45.760 --> 01:38:49.319
to you why you're wrong. First of all, they never

1667
01:38:49.560 --> 01:38:53.880
referred to the character as Trelaine to Eric's point, Okay,

1668
01:38:54.479 --> 01:38:57.359
so they never actually said that, yes, this is Trellaine,

1669
01:38:57.439 --> 01:39:02.880
so that doesn't break the cannon. All right. Secondly, if

1670
01:39:02.920 --> 01:39:06.279
you paid attention, I think Charles mentioned this, the character

1671
01:39:06.479 --> 01:39:09.840
does not appear to everybody as Trelaine. He appears as

1672
01:39:09.880 --> 01:39:13.199
Trelaine to us, but to Pike it was an Andorian.

1673
01:39:13.520 --> 01:39:16.720
To Spock, it was it was a fulcan everybody stops

1674
01:39:17.199 --> 01:39:23.640
somebody different? So you know when people exactly he was Trelaine.

1675
01:39:23.640 --> 01:39:27.439
There's no doubt about it to me. But but people

1676
01:39:27.439 --> 01:39:30.079
are saying, well, wouldn't Spock and Scotty have recognized him

1677
01:39:30.079 --> 01:39:32.880
when they meet him later? No, because when they saw him,

1678
01:39:33.199 --> 01:39:36.399
he appeared as something different, So that doesn't break the cannon.

1679
01:39:36.720 --> 01:39:41.439
And the biggest thing, John Delancy's showing up. Nobody knows

1680
01:39:41.479 --> 01:39:45.239
what John what Q's voice sounds like, but us as

1681
01:39:45.279 --> 01:39:48.319
the viewers. So when he shows up and John Delancy's

1682
01:39:48.399 --> 01:39:52.399
voice is being CUE, that's not breaking any cannon because

1683
01:39:52.399 --> 01:39:55.439
he didn't appear as Q, and he never identified himself

1684
01:39:55.479 --> 01:39:58.279
as Q. He was just a blowing light that shows

1685
01:39:58.359 --> 01:40:00.880
up in space and takes the other are alien away.

1686
01:40:01.319 --> 01:40:03.760
He never shows up and says I am CUE, I'm

1687
01:40:03.800 --> 01:40:07.920
here to take No, he never said that, so therefore

1688
01:40:08.640 --> 01:40:12.840
you canon people. No, you're wrong, I'm sorry. Didn't break

1689
01:40:12.880 --> 01:40:14.640
cannon in any way, Jim.

1690
01:40:15.159 --> 01:40:17.640
So, Jim, let me ask you a question. Does this

1691
01:40:18.479 --> 01:40:20.399
and I don't know the right answer to this question,

1692
01:40:20.880 --> 01:40:27.439
does this episode canonize Trelaane as a Q?

1693
01:40:28.920 --> 01:40:33.600
Absolutely? Yep, yep. I told you I was at a convention,

1694
01:40:33.680 --> 01:40:37.880
and John Delandby told us at the convention that William

1695
01:40:37.920 --> 01:40:39.079
Campbell was his son.

1696
01:40:39.279 --> 01:40:43.520
This was and in Next Generation did John Delancy appear

1697
01:40:43.560 --> 01:40:44.439
as an energy ball?

1698
01:40:46.000 --> 01:40:50.680
He appeared in an encounter farpoint. He was a waving ball.

1699
01:40:50.880 --> 01:40:53.800
Wasn't he with three with three heads or something?

1700
01:40:55.760 --> 01:41:01.119
I thought he was? He was in that your costume

1701
01:41:01.239 --> 01:41:03.319
with the and on the.

1702
01:41:05.479 --> 01:41:10.319
Century thing. Yeah, yeah, I don't un I'm not so sure.

1703
01:41:11.199 --> 01:41:14.279
I don't like, I don't not think Trellaine is a cue.

1704
01:41:14.920 --> 01:41:18.760
But I'm just wondering if this episode did the deed

1705
01:41:18.840 --> 01:41:21.319
of actually canonizing that. I feel like it was like,

1706
01:41:21.960 --> 01:41:23.720
it's pretty close, but not really.

1707
01:41:24.439 --> 01:41:27.720
We all know John Delancy is the Q, right, I mean,

1708
01:41:27.800 --> 01:41:29.239
is anyone here going to debate that?

1709
01:41:29.640 --> 01:41:29.840
Yeah?

1710
01:41:29.920 --> 01:41:32.920
But people have have voiced multiple characters, like, I mean,

1711
01:41:32.960 --> 01:41:36.039
clearly that's what they were going for, right, Like, that's

1712
01:41:36.079 --> 01:41:38.600
clearly what the writers were going for by casting him.

1713
01:41:38.760 --> 01:41:41.039
Yeah, because they wouldn't cast anyone to do that voice

1714
01:41:41.119 --> 01:41:43.239
they could have. Yeah. Well.

1715
01:41:43.319 --> 01:41:48.479
The thing is the reason that I looked up and said, Okay,

1716
01:41:48.520 --> 01:41:55.000
it's Terraine is because I watched the episode and finish it,

1717
01:41:55.079 --> 01:41:58.800
went straight to IMDb to see about those two characters,

1718
01:41:59.680 --> 01:42:02.720
and it's was that John Delancy? Yes, that was John

1719
01:42:02.720 --> 01:42:08.359
Delancy and then the other one was credited as Trelaine

1720
01:42:08.640 --> 01:42:10.279
slash q Jr.

1721
01:42:11.800 --> 01:42:18.279
So I am the edits AMDB Charles's IMDb? Is it

1722
01:42:18.359 --> 01:42:26.640
the people who write the shows? No, it's not. It's fans.

1723
01:42:26.800 --> 01:42:29.840
I think fans. Fans do Wikipedia. I don't do fans

1724
01:42:29.840 --> 01:42:30.960
do IMBD.

1725
01:42:30.600 --> 01:42:33.319
As well, Paul, do you know who edits IMDb?

1726
01:42:33.840 --> 01:42:37.279
It depends. I mean it actually depends and varies widely

1727
01:42:37.319 --> 01:42:39.560
from the show. Right, it's not a it's not a

1728
01:42:40.359 --> 01:42:46.640
fan edited and maintained situation. Typically users. Yeah, well, I

1729
01:42:46.640 --> 01:42:48.960
mean like a lot of times, for example, like if

1730
01:42:48.960 --> 01:42:53.039
you're like, okay, pick a director like Christopher Nolan, right

1731
01:42:53.960 --> 01:42:57.039
that their page is their page and their content is

1732
01:42:57.039 --> 01:42:57.560
their continent.

1733
01:42:57.600 --> 01:42:58.960
And you have some actors.

1734
01:42:58.640 --> 01:43:03.479
Who are like religious, like Todd Stashwick for example, would

1735
01:43:03.520 --> 01:43:05.479
be a good guy to pick. Right, That guy is

1736
01:43:05.520 --> 01:43:08.199
all over updating everything. As soon as he gets cast

1737
01:43:08.239 --> 01:43:10.479
for a role, it's going to show up on his

1738
01:43:10.560 --> 01:43:12.560
IMDb page as being upcoming.

1739
01:43:12.760 --> 01:43:12.960
Right.

1740
01:43:13.000 --> 01:43:16.880
So usually people monitor their own stuff typically, So I

1741
01:43:16.880 --> 01:43:20.439
would say probably, I mean I would be stunned if

1742
01:43:20.439 --> 01:43:23.640
there's not somebody at Paramount, whose job it is to

1743
01:43:23.640 --> 01:43:28.279
maintain all of the Star Trek IMDb footprints and religiously

1744
01:43:28.359 --> 01:43:33.840
update them. So I think it's just, you know, I

1745
01:43:33.840 --> 01:43:37.079
think it's anything's possible, clearly in this crazy, fucked up

1746
01:43:37.159 --> 01:43:37.880
universe we live in.

1747
01:43:37.960 --> 01:43:39.279
But I think Eric is like the.

1748
01:43:39.319 --> 01:43:43.600
Man John don Quixote outlier who does not accept this.

1749
01:43:43.760 --> 01:43:47.239
And I think literally the entire planet has and has

1750
01:43:47.399 --> 01:43:50.000
accepted this, and I think he's like, but wait a minute,

1751
01:43:50.079 --> 01:43:53.039
I still think it could be another car.

1752
01:43:53.279 --> 01:43:56.680
I stand by my decision a few goods.

1753
01:43:56.479 --> 01:43:59.279
That I'm wrong. I think it will be fascinating to

1754
01:43:59.319 --> 01:44:01.760
read to ask this question again in like six months

1755
01:44:01.760 --> 01:44:02.760
and see where everyone's at.

1756
01:44:02.840 --> 01:44:05.119
Yeah, that's when I will be proven right, Paul, You're right.

1757
01:44:05.600 --> 01:44:10.760
I just want you know you guys, I just I

1758
01:44:10.800 --> 01:44:12.680
just got to point someone out. This movie right here

1759
01:44:12.680 --> 01:44:15.119
above my head, right there, that's the best Star Trek

1760
01:44:15.159 --> 01:44:18.159
movie ever, this one right here, especially this post aside.

1761
01:44:19.039 --> 01:44:20.880
Literally have to work that into every place.

1762
01:44:21.880 --> 01:44:25.560
Are you talking about Star Trek seven point five? The

1763
01:44:25.600 --> 01:44:27.159
Search for Talent paper once?

1764
01:44:27.399 --> 01:44:31.159
And yeah, and by the way, you got to light blare.

1765
01:44:31.199 --> 01:44:33.479
It makes it very difficult to read your posters.

1766
01:44:33.119 --> 01:44:33.520
So it does.

1767
01:44:33.640 --> 01:44:34.920
I don't even know what movie that is.

1768
01:44:36.039 --> 01:44:39.439
It could be you know, you know Scanners too, You know,

1769
01:44:39.479 --> 01:44:41.079
it could be any that was an awesome movie too.

1770
01:44:42.039 --> 01:44:44.600
Tell you what John Delancey is supposed to be at

1771
01:44:44.600 --> 01:44:48.199
that New Jersey con. I will see if I can

1772
01:44:48.359 --> 01:44:52.960
remember to ask him. I will say, for for everybody's sake,

1773
01:44:53.079 --> 01:44:56.279
can you please tell us?

1774
01:44:56.720 --> 01:44:59.239
And he'll probably tell you the same thing he told me,

1775
01:44:59.239 --> 01:45:03.600
and I right, So back to my review of the

1776
01:45:03.600 --> 01:45:10.479
episode before I was so rudely interrupted. So, you know,

1777
01:45:10.840 --> 01:45:13.000
at first, I was trying to figure out what the

1778
01:45:13.000 --> 01:45:15.359
hell's going on here? You know, it took me a

1779
01:45:15.399 --> 01:45:18.279
while to catch on with what was happening. You know,

1780
01:45:18.680 --> 01:45:22.239
I didn't like the Kirby guy either. He seemed out

1781
01:45:22.239 --> 01:45:24.520
of place to me. He didn't seem to match up

1782
01:45:24.560 --> 01:45:26.960
with the kreb Well, the Kirby that we know was

1783
01:45:26.960 --> 01:45:31.079
an android anyways, but we don't know the real Korby

1784
01:45:31.079 --> 01:45:34.000
because the only Korby we see is an android. But

1785
01:45:35.000 --> 01:45:37.159
he wasn't Irish, and.

1786
01:45:37.640 --> 01:45:39.680
He doesn't really act like a scientist, does he. He

1787
01:45:39.680 --> 01:45:43.119
doesn't seem like a brilliant cyberneticist at all. You know,

1788
01:45:43.800 --> 01:45:46.119
I met you in a bar and I really enjoyed

1789
01:45:46.399 --> 01:45:50.560
talking to Poetry, like, dude, how are you a scientist?

1790
01:45:51.199 --> 01:45:55.840
I just I didn't buy him as Korby, But that

1791
01:45:55.960 --> 01:45:58.039
wasn't enough to pull me out of the episode. I

1792
01:45:58.079 --> 01:46:00.399
think Eric was right. I think we need to finally

1793
01:46:00.399 --> 01:46:04.159
put arrest to this spot and chapel thing and move

1794
01:46:04.199 --> 01:46:07.560
on because it's time. So I think that Corby was

1795
01:46:07.600 --> 01:46:10.600
a way to do it. They did it, Okay, it's over.

1796
01:46:12.359 --> 01:46:15.640
What else about the episode, I did think it was strange,

1797
01:46:15.680 --> 01:46:17.520
though I don't know if it was Eric or Charles

1798
01:46:17.520 --> 01:46:19.640
that said this. I thought it was strange that the

1799
01:46:19.680 --> 01:46:23.840
wedding guests didn't seem to care that a guy just

1800
01:46:23.880 --> 01:46:26.640
got turned into a dog. It wasn't an issue to that.

1801
01:46:26.840 --> 01:46:29.880
They were just like, oh, okay, and that you know

1802
01:46:30.279 --> 01:46:34.319
this Andorian slash Vulcan whatever he looked like, was going

1803
01:46:34.319 --> 01:46:37.159
around threatening to kill everybody, and they're like, yeah, okay.

1804
01:46:37.960 --> 01:46:42.560
They just didn't seem to unless Trelaine Q had some

1805
01:46:42.640 --> 01:46:45.960
type of hold over them. Maybe, I don't know. Their

1806
01:46:46.000 --> 01:46:49.039
reaction didn't seem right, but Scotty was wearing a kilt

1807
01:46:49.239 --> 01:46:53.319
and I thought that was cool. So, and they also

1808
01:46:53.479 --> 01:46:58.479
showed that alien from season one that had the blue

1809
01:46:58.520 --> 01:47:03.039
striped face on it when Bach and was it charades

1810
01:47:04.600 --> 01:47:07.359
when Spock was human and had to negotiate a trade

1811
01:47:07.680 --> 01:47:09.600
agreement with these people and they had to fly the

1812
01:47:09.600 --> 01:47:14.319
Federation flag. Do you guys remember that episode? Those aliens

1813
01:47:14.760 --> 01:47:17.000
were at the wedding, which I thought was cool that

1814
01:47:17.079 --> 01:47:19.319
they remembered those aliens and put them in there, So

1815
01:47:19.439 --> 01:47:23.359
kudos for that. Yeah, so I enjoyed it overall. I

1816
01:47:24.279 --> 01:47:26.880
think Paul was right. We needed to We needed a

1817
01:47:26.920 --> 01:47:30.279
break from all the death in Mayhem and craziness of

1818
01:47:30.319 --> 01:47:33.760
the first episode, and we needed something like and they

1819
01:47:34.199 --> 01:47:37.880
you know, they balance off of each other perfectly when

1820
01:47:37.920 --> 01:47:39.760
you watch them back to back, which I think most

1821
01:47:39.800 --> 01:47:41.920
of us did. You know, we didn't wait, you know,

1822
01:47:42.000 --> 01:47:43.960
almost two years to watch one and say, oh, I

1823
01:47:43.960 --> 01:47:45.720
think I'll go to bed and watch the other one later.

1824
01:47:45.800 --> 01:47:49.000
I think I think we all watched them both at

1825
01:47:49.000 --> 01:47:55.960
the same time. So yeah, so my over score, I

1826
01:47:56.000 --> 01:47:58.640
think I'll go with an eight on this one. I

1827
01:47:58.640 --> 01:48:00.920
think I'll give this one an eight. And before before

1828
01:48:00.960 --> 01:48:05.680
we go too far, though, David did record his scores

1829
01:48:05.680 --> 01:48:08.279
for the episode, and I'm going to find them right

1830
01:48:08.279 --> 01:48:10.840
now and I'm going to play them right now. So

1831
01:48:10.960 --> 01:48:16.560
this was David's score for Hergenomy Part two. Maybe come on,

1832
01:48:17.000 --> 01:48:18.159
stop being a nuisance.

1833
01:48:21.039 --> 01:48:23.560
Here we go, Hey guys, miss me, I'll be back

1834
01:48:23.640 --> 01:48:27.039
next week. But anyways, Part one and part two of

1835
01:48:27.079 --> 01:48:31.079
Hegemony was very interesting. I didn't like the way that

1836
01:48:31.159 --> 01:48:34.920
portrayed the going and hibernating beans. I guess some lizards

1837
01:48:35.039 --> 01:48:40.319
actually do hibernate. But at the same time, Pike's responds

1838
01:48:40.399 --> 01:48:43.159
to saying that she's going to be someone else's problem

1839
01:48:43.560 --> 01:48:47.640
in the new future or far future is kind of weird,

1840
01:48:48.439 --> 01:48:52.840
strange new world, I guess. Anyways, but yeah, this particular

1841
01:48:52.960 --> 01:48:58.000
episode I enjoyed watch him side by side and I

1842
01:48:58.640 --> 01:49:02.880
can't just can't. I have to be honest, So what

1843
01:49:03.000 --> 01:49:05.680
is up with her hair? From part one to part two?

1844
01:49:06.119 --> 01:49:10.760
She somehow changed her hair in between. I know this

1845
01:49:10.840 --> 01:49:13.520
is weird and strange to say it, but it's just

1846
01:49:13.640 --> 01:49:15.920
kind of distracted me throughout the entire episode. I was

1847
01:49:15.960 --> 01:49:21.439
just like, Okay, what what happened? Oh well, anyways, Scottie

1848
01:49:21.479 --> 01:49:25.239
got kind of an interesting backstory on this episode and

1849
01:49:25.319 --> 01:49:27.520
the next one, which I will be talking about here.

1850
01:49:28.359 --> 01:49:32.800
But yeah, this particular episode, I have to give it

1851
01:49:32.840 --> 01:49:36.760
a good I'm gonna give it a good seven out

1852
01:49:36.760 --> 01:49:40.640
of ten. So that's my take on Hogumina Part two.

1853
01:49:41.720 --> 01:49:44.359
All right, so David gave gave it a seven, and

1854
01:49:44.439 --> 01:49:49.640
we have David's review also on Wedding bell Blues? Why

1855
01:49:49.720 --> 01:49:51.159
is this thing not working for me?

1856
01:49:51.199 --> 01:49:56.399
There we go, So the wedding bell blues or wedding bluebells,

1857
01:49:56.439 --> 01:50:00.920
I don't know. Yeah, So apparently this episode I was

1858
01:50:01.000 --> 01:50:03.880
suspecting from back in the day when we shot a preview,

1859
01:50:03.960 --> 01:50:07.880
we thought it was all cue ll Q being and

1860
01:50:07.920 --> 01:50:10.399
we were correct, and I have completely forgotten about that

1861
01:50:10.479 --> 01:50:12.399
idea that he was going to be a cue So

1862
01:50:12.399 --> 01:50:14.279
when I was watching, I was like, why is he

1863
01:50:15.079 --> 01:50:17.920
different to everybody else? I immediately thought he was a

1864
01:50:18.000 --> 01:50:20.319
change lane for some other reason. I was like, okay, cool,

1865
01:50:20.880 --> 01:50:25.439
But yeah, I thought this episode was an interesting take

1866
01:50:25.640 --> 01:50:31.000
on Krby, and I honestly thought maybe Q was going

1867
01:50:31.039 --> 01:50:33.479
to meddle in and turn him into an android or something,

1868
01:50:33.560 --> 01:50:36.479
because that was what Ques would do, I guess. But

1869
01:50:38.039 --> 01:50:40.479
it was interesting how they went along with the uh

1870
01:50:42.039 --> 01:50:44.560
the Sheneti games. I guess you guys could call it too,

1871
01:50:45.119 --> 01:50:47.720
of what a Q would do to the human being

1872
01:50:48.239 --> 01:50:53.479
or the star Treker diverse. But it was really cool though.

1873
01:50:53.560 --> 01:50:56.199
When John Delancey's voice showed up, I was really hoping

1874
01:50:56.199 --> 01:50:58.880
he would show up physically, but I guess they couldn't

1875
01:50:58.880 --> 01:50:59.960
really make that word.

1876
01:51:00.239 --> 01:51:01.159
So my.

1877
01:51:03.079 --> 01:51:05.479
Uh take on this episode, I'm going to be given

1878
01:51:05.520 --> 01:51:08.000
this one a seven as well, seven out of ten,

1879
01:51:08.640 --> 01:51:10.279
but I will see you guys next week.

1880
01:51:11.680 --> 01:51:17.520
Hair seven's from David. I think though that Ahora's hair

1881
01:51:17.720 --> 01:51:20.800
didn't change until wedding bell Blues.

1882
01:51:21.159 --> 01:51:27.560
Well, you guys, like, honestly, first and foremost, like talking

1883
01:51:27.600 --> 01:51:31.119
about HER's hair and wondering why it changed is like

1884
01:51:31.760 --> 01:51:34.560
wondering why people wear certain clothes. So clearly she has

1885
01:51:34.600 --> 01:51:40.279
a very close cropped hairdo. Clearly she's putting on different wigs. Clearly,

1886
01:51:40.319 --> 01:51:44.600
this is something that people do sometimes. They put on

1887
01:51:44.720 --> 01:51:48.319
different hairstyles, They put on different things to change the

1888
01:51:48.359 --> 01:51:51.880
way that their whole thing works. So if honestly, a

1889
01:51:51.920 --> 01:51:56.479
different hairdoo pulled you out of the story, that's kind

1890
01:51:56.479 --> 01:51:58.960
of ridiculous to me. Like, it's just a style thing.

1891
01:51:58.960 --> 01:52:01.680
It's no different from putting on a different shirt or

1892
01:52:01.680 --> 01:52:03.720
putting on a different pair of shorts, putting on a

1893
01:52:03.720 --> 01:52:06.920
different communicator. It's it's way out of line to me

1894
01:52:07.039 --> 01:52:08.840
to be like, oh, it took me out of the

1895
01:52:08.840 --> 01:52:12.319
story because she had different hair whatever, Dude, like, why

1896
01:52:12.319 --> 01:52:13.520
does that even fucking matter?

1897
01:52:14.119 --> 01:52:17.479
Honest? I think I think that. I think you're missing

1898
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the point. I think the point that day as not

1899
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trying to make I think so, I definitely think so.

1900
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If you would let me talk, I'll tell you why.

1901
01:52:24.800 --> 01:52:31.800
I think that. The reason, as I said earlier, they're

1902
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moving towards the TOS episode, and I think Ahorror changed

1903
01:52:36.119 --> 01:52:38.239
not Ahorror. I think they changed her hair to be

1904
01:52:38.319 --> 01:52:42.039
closer to what Ahorror war on TOS, to show that

1905
01:52:42.119 --> 01:52:44.760
they're moving closer to that, and for no other reason

1906
01:52:44.840 --> 01:52:49.359
than that. That's all no big deal. So that's our

1907
01:52:49.399 --> 01:52:52.520
scores from all of us and from our Truk Sperts

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01:52:52.800 --> 01:52:55.920
and Charles. What does that put us with our truck

1909
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Spurts and our fans.

1910
01:53:00.159 --> 01:53:07.920
This was definitely interesting scoring because for episode one, the

1911
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host gaven eight point three and for episode two, the

1912
01:53:13.239 --> 01:53:19.399
host gave an eight point two. Very interesting compared to

1913
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the eight point five and the seven point six from

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01:53:23.279 --> 01:53:30.119
the fans. Yeah, so we we didn't like, We didn't

1915
01:53:30.159 --> 01:53:33.399
like hegemony quite as well as the fans did, but

1916
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we like the wedding more than the fans did.

1917
01:53:39.479 --> 01:53:41.840
And that's with Doc Savage given both episodes.

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One.

1919
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Yes, yeah, So there you have it all right, guys.

1920
01:53:49.079 --> 01:53:52.079
So next week we're gonna be talking about a shuttle

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for ken Flora, which is the episode that's on tonight,

1922
01:53:55.399 --> 01:53:58.199
So please go and watch that and don't forget to

1923
01:53:58.239 --> 01:54:00.920
go to Trick Talking and Beyond and tell us what

1924
01:54:00.960 --> 01:54:04.680
you thought about shuttle. You can fora give us a score,

1925
01:54:04.760 --> 01:54:07.279
tell us what you thought, and look for a heart

1926
01:54:07.319 --> 01:54:09.600
next to your name from your truly uncle Jim. And

1927
01:54:09.640 --> 01:54:11.680
then you want to tune into Trek Talking next week

1928
01:54:11.720 --> 01:54:14.960
because your opinion will be featured. I don't know, we

1929
01:54:14.960 --> 01:54:19.800
don't have a name for that section Dan Dan scoring

1930
01:54:20.119 --> 01:54:25.880
section right now. We're putting in under poles. But maybe

1931
01:54:25.880 --> 01:54:28.079
we'll have to have Eric write another catchy song or

1932
01:54:28.119 --> 01:54:31.319
something that we can do for that section. But for

1933
01:54:31.439 --> 01:54:33.800
right now, we'll just call it Star Trek Poll. And

1934
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I also have some new polls up over there too

1935
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on our page, so you guys can go there and

1936
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vote on our polls. And that's it unless anybody else

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wants to add anything before we wrap up.

1938
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No, no real quick I'm thinking with Ortegas at the

1939
01:54:51.800 --> 01:54:55.439
end where she sees the Gorn, I think that's maybe

1940
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setting her up for some issue in the future with

1941
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having PTSD that will maybe interfere with her job where

1942
01:55:08.439 --> 01:55:11.680
she can't fly the ship. I don't know, but I

1943
01:55:11.720 --> 01:55:13.239
know that just really messed her up.

1944
01:55:14.680 --> 01:55:17.880
So wait, can I just wait in on the hair thing?

1945
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If I can, I mean, go ahead, Paul, Oh, I'm sorry.

1946
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I was just gonna say. Her hair is totally the

1947
01:55:29.159 --> 01:55:31.000
same in the first episode, in the two parts, in

1948
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the part two, right, it's the same. It's only in

1949
01:55:33.520 --> 01:55:35.760
like the second episode that it's different. And at the

1950
01:55:35.800 --> 01:55:39.039
beginning of that episode, Pike says it's been like what

1951
01:55:39.199 --> 01:55:41.680
three months I think he specifically says, and now they're

1952
01:55:41.680 --> 01:55:44.439
going to get you know, refitted and repaired from all

1953
01:55:44.439 --> 01:55:47.279
that damage, and it's meant to just show time has

1954
01:55:47.359 --> 01:55:51.560
passed and every single TV show on there they subtenly

1955
01:55:51.640 --> 01:55:55.760
changed the look of everyone a little bit from season one.

1956
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To the next.

1957
01:55:56.079 --> 01:55:59.000
It's just you give the show a refresh, right little

1958
01:55:59.000 --> 01:56:04.279
stylistic tweaks. How compare Pike's hair from season two, it's

1959
01:56:04.319 --> 01:56:07.840
at least like an inch Tollerant. This is tollery freaking air. Right,

1960
01:56:07.840 --> 01:56:10.840
So it's just meant it's a bit of a stylistic

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choice just to show is different, you know, and.

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I love I loved her hair. I loved her hair.

1963
01:56:17.840 --> 01:56:20.319
Yeah, it's it's pretty fabulous, right, I mean, it's just

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01:56:20.560 --> 01:56:22.560
she said this really short, you know, kind of you know,

1965
01:56:23.079 --> 01:56:26.359
slightly masculine haircut for like a long time. It's great

1966
01:56:26.399 --> 01:56:28.079
that they're doing it, but to make a big thing

1967
01:56:28.119 --> 01:56:31.600
out of it is a little you know, it's it's

1968
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missing the point. Let's talk about story if we can, right,

1969
01:56:35.039 --> 01:56:38.159
Let's talk about story, and like, you know what what

1970
01:56:38.159 --> 01:56:42.319
what the show evokes for us? And yeah, it's it's

1971
01:56:42.359 --> 01:56:45.000
so tempting with science fiction to get you know, belabored

1972
01:56:45.039 --> 01:56:48.920
in these conundrums of of what you know, trivialities.

1973
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And you know what I just thought of is the

1974
01:56:51.199 --> 01:56:56.960
whole thing with Voyager and Jane Way's hair that was

1975
01:56:57.000 --> 01:57:03.000
a whole thing in itself. Were quite a while apparently

1976
01:57:03.039 --> 01:57:06.199
to where I don't think Kate mulgrew will even talk

1977
01:57:06.239 --> 01:57:09.079
about it anymore, because it was like, you know, it's

1978
01:57:09.159 --> 01:57:13.439
it's they were having meetings, Executives were having meetings over

1979
01:57:13.600 --> 01:57:17.640
how her hair should look and she starts off with

1980
01:57:17.720 --> 01:57:21.039
that updue and then looser and then she you know,

1981
01:57:21.119 --> 01:57:24.560
looks looks more relaxed. But yeah, so that was a

1982
01:57:24.600 --> 01:57:26.880
whole That's that's what I'm thinking, you know, And we

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01:57:26.920 --> 01:57:29.119
don't want to we don't want to repeat the Jane

1984
01:57:29.159 --> 01:57:29.920
Way hair thing.

1985
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Patriarchy.

1986
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Oh my god.

1987
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Yeah, yep.

1988
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So we're gonna it's gonna be interesting next week. I

1989
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think I'm excited to talk about next week. I think, yeah,

1990
01:57:43.960 --> 01:57:46.039
next week, we'll have some our polls back, we'll have

1991
01:57:46.079 --> 01:57:49.239
some Star Trek stories, we'll have some news, and uh,

1992
01:57:49.279 --> 01:57:51.079
we'll have David back. So we'll have all kinds of

1993
01:57:51.119 --> 01:57:54.560
videos and cool stuff to show. All right, guys, Well,

1994
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I'm your most excellent host, uncle Jim saying, you know,

1995
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start Trek fans are the best fans. Thank you for listening,

1996
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and thank you so much to Paul for hanging out

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01:58:01.880 --> 01:58:04.239
and trek talking with us tonight. Thank you so much, Paul.

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It's fun.

1999
01:58:06.319 --> 01:58:08.000
You know, it's interesting to be back and doing our

2000
01:58:08.000 --> 01:58:10.239
thing again, finding our way through this crazy show. And

2001
01:58:10.279 --> 01:58:11.800
it's going to change, right, I mean, they're going to

2002
01:58:11.880 --> 01:58:13.680
keep doing new things and they're gonna keep messing with

2003
01:58:13.760 --> 01:58:16.000
us and sometimes we like it. But you know, I

2004
01:58:16.000 --> 01:58:18.239
think it's really good though, that we often have a

2005
01:58:18.319 --> 01:58:20.920
wide spectrum of opinions, right to me, that's you know,

2006
01:58:21.079 --> 01:58:23.039
if we all had the same reaction, it would be

2007
01:58:23.079 --> 01:58:24.880
kind of a snooze fest, right, So it's fun that

2008
01:58:25.159 --> 01:58:29.279
I hope that we have different takes on things, right.

2009
01:58:29.640 --> 01:58:32.640
Absolutely agree. And thank you so much to Charles for

2010
01:58:32.680 --> 01:58:34.640
hanging out and Trek talking with us as well. Thank

2011
01:58:34.680 --> 01:58:37.199
you Charles, Oh, thank you everybody.

2012
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This was This was fun to finally talk about this episode,

2013
01:58:40.680 --> 01:58:44.039
these episodes because I've really gotten a chance to talk

2014
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to really talk about these episodes with anybuddy.

2015
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And thank you so much to v for hanging out

2016
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with us tonight. Thank you Van and great ways.

2017
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A pleasure, yep, always a pleasure. And I look forward

2018
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to next week and have my combadge.

2019
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Have your badge yup? Oh you'll get it. I'll be

2020
01:59:09.520 --> 01:59:10.359
in the mail right now.

2021
01:59:10.680 --> 01:59:12.079
It is, Yeah, it is.

2022
01:59:13.319 --> 01:59:15.039
And thank you so much to Eric for hanging out

2023
01:59:15.079 --> 01:59:17.000
and Trek talking with us tonight. Thank you so much.

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Eric, You're bad. Thanks folks.

2025
01:59:19.560 --> 01:59:21.760
And Dave is not here, but thank you so much

2026
01:59:21.800 --> 01:59:24.960
for recording your opinions. We appreciate it, David, thank you

2027
01:59:25.000 --> 01:59:27.079
so much, and thank you so much to you guys

2028
01:59:27.079 --> 01:59:30.359
for being fans of the show. And we don't have

2029
01:59:30.399 --> 01:59:32.680
the video to roll, so we're going to have to

2030
01:59:32.680 --> 01:59:36.640
do it the old fashioned way, which is nothing's wrong

2031
01:59:36.680 --> 01:59:38.880
with that once in a while. So I'm your most

2032
01:59:38.880 --> 01:59:41.720
excellent host, Uncle Jim saying everybody, please stay safe and

2033
01:59:41.760 --> 01:59:44.600
be good to each other. Remember Star Trek fans are

2034
01:59:44.680 --> 01:59:52.359
the best fans. And this isn't working again. Come on, ah,

2035
01:59:52.680 --> 01:59:54.439
that's what happens when Dave is not here.

2036
01:59:56.119 --> 02:00:02.920
Here we go, ready for departure, sir, some problem riker,

2037
02:00:03.680 --> 02:00:06.439
just hoping this isn't the usual way ourmissions will go, sir.

2038
02:00:06.760 --> 02:00:10.119
Oh no, number one. I'm sure most will be much

2039
02:00:10.159 --> 02:00:16.079
more interesting. Let's see what's out there.

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Engage