Episode 645- Superman (1978) retro review

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1:43 Welcome to the podcast. Today is Thursday, July tenth five, and this is episode one hundred and forty five our Superman Super Show, our second super show in a row Before we go too far, though, I'd like to introduce my awesome, awesome trucks for We'll start off with Eric. Eric's out in Portland. How you doing tonight, Eric, I'm. Doing pretty good. Jim, I'm feeling slightly out of focus, but otherwise ready to talk about some Superman I will I will say it like I I'm no like Superman expert at all. I feel like others on the podcast will do a much better job of that. But I have enjoyed kind of reconnecting with the whole Superman vibe.

2:24 Over the last couple of weeks. I've been watching some animated stuff. I've been watching the movies. I'm looking forward to this show. It's definitely gonna be fun. Paul picks some good ones, doesn't. He He does? And speaking of Paul is also out in Portland. How you're doing tonight, Paul? Hey, friends, I'm doing all right. I'm doing okay. I'm excited to dive into the mythos that is the Man of Steel. Yes, absolutely going to be a lot of fun. And I also have with us Victoria. Victoria is out in Virginia. How you doing today, Victoria? I'm good, Yeah, I got. I got a renewed interest in Superman as well, and now I want to have a fortress of solitude of my own.

3:10 You need that for sure. And we have out in Las Vegas. We have Charles. How you doing tonight, Charles. I'm doing good. A fortress of solitude would be nice because it'd be nice and cool. Mm hmm. I know some of you. Well, it's it's nice and dry here. At least we're picking at one ten and not one twenty this. Year so far ridiculous, cheous, and we're gonna swing all the way back to Portland to our very own David, he's our miracle worker. Welcome to the show, David.

3:53 A ten second cont tell you all. Yeah, oh. Honey, where is my super suit? What where. Super that might take on the Superman franchise. David lost his super suit. We'll help him find it, will help him get his groove on. So if you guys did miss our Space nineteen ninety nine Super Show, you can go over to trek Talking dot com and find it there. And there's all kinds of great stuff over there you can find. Actually, I got to get a bio of Victoria put up on there. I'm sorry I haven't done that yet, but you can find bios and all my awesome treks first there all of our podcasts and links to our Patreon page so that you can help support the podcast for only two dollars. That's right, two dollars a month a member. Come on, it's cheaper than a cup of.

4:52 Fifty cents last week? Did we have an inflation? Did we have like a terror terrorists? There's terrorists. How's going on, Jim, it's terrorists, It's right, yeah, but a. Couple of coffees like five fifty, So you're it's. Change in the bio, in the bio that I write for myself. Can I make stuff up? Or absolutely? You can say anything you want? Okay, Yeah, all right. I can't wait to read it. Yeah, zero gravity Victoria. Is hurling through space on Moon based Alpha. Okay. On tonight's show, we're going to be talking about Superman, the motion picture from nineteen seventy nine. We're going to start there.

5:40 We're gonna kind of work our way through the mythos of Superman. I think we're going to talk about maybe some other Superman movies as well. I think we're going to have some polls about Superman, and we're going to find out where all of the Superman movies rated based from. Uh I think I gave that to David from Three Tomatoes. Right Tomatoes. Man, it's all the same thing. So while we're going to get into that and uh yeah, Star Trek polls tonight, who is your favorite silver Stream Superman?

6:24 I wonder who that's gonna be, hmm, And what's your favorite og Superman movie. You'll have to find out what Star Trek actor do you share a birthday with? We'll find out on our Star Trek birthdays and what's going on around the Star Trek universe. We have a Shatner says what story and will he be returning to Star Trek m You'll have to hang around and see, Hey, why you're over on our Facebook page which is Trek Talking and beyond. You'll see at the top of the page. I'll live long and prosper. Just tell us where you're listening from. We have lots of emotion geez, because that gets my attention. If you see a heart next to your name from your truly uncle Jim, then your name will be featured on a future fan shout out. And why are there. Send us a picture of yourself at your favorite convention dressed up as your favorite person, and we will have David add that to our fan shout outs.

7:18 So not only will your name be mentioned, your picture will be there as well. So, Eric, are you ready to dive into this week's fan shout outs? I one hundred percent am. We are going to head to the southern tip of the African continent. We're going to say hello to Nuno Faraz, who is saying hello to us this week from South Africa. Thank you so much, Nuno for saying hello to us and for listening to our podcast. We really appreciate it. In fact, we super appreciate it because Star Trek is a global phenomenon and to know that people are listening thousands of miles away actually means a lot to us, so thank you so much. We are also saying hello this week to James Charity, who is saying hello to us from England, our friends just across the pond. We have a ton of support over there in the UK, specifically in England and Ireland.

8:12 Thank you so much James for saying hello to us this week. Hello as well to Leonora Holland Hale, who is hailing from Denmark, one of those most amazing Scandinavian countries, Leona, I thank you so much for saying hello to us this week, and comply to you, madam. And last but not least, on my list, we're saying hello this week to Jorge Gonzaga Filo, who's saying hello to us from nitore Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, and we actually surprisingly have a ton of support from people in Brazil this week, and sending a couple of different emojis, which I'm sure is what got Jim's attention this week. Thank you Jorge for saying hello to us. We say hello right back to you and comply to you, Sir Charles. Let's bring it stateside, brother.

9:00 Wow, thank you, Eric. Let's star off for the war. Welcome from Tom Davidson from Ohio. How's it going, Tom? Welcome to Luke Best from Arkansas. I hope you too are staying dry. Welcome to Snockwood from Michigan. Welcome Max and the Rarity. Welcome Jason Hill from Tennessee, who gives me the livelong and prosperous sign. I don't need to get a lot of mojis, so thank you, Jason. The who's on your list? All right? First off, I have William Paul Costello from Canada, our wonderful neighbor to the north. Then there's Jay Stewart from Colorado.

9:51 I've never been there. I'd like to go. It's a beautiful state. Then we have Sandor Boda from Florida. And then last but not least, Dephne Rogers from Texas. Now, Paul, it's on to you. Are you sure sure? I am? Yes? All right, good, I'm gonna go for it. Man, given your permission, slips all right, I'm grabbing the longitude with one hand and the latitude with the other. Let's see, I have no problem. Child is already way after five o'clock on the East coast, so anything could happen, and probably will. So first of all, let's go back to Europe, all right and say hello to our pal Thomas east Fawn in Hungary, a very interesting country that is a focus of a lot of attention these days, a lot of interesting things going on and a tremendous amount of fascinating history. So Tamas, it's great to hear from you.

10:53 Thanks for showing us that there is start your enthusiasm all over the place. We're gonna go over to the one of the most mispronounced parts of the entire universe. Okay, a country that has its own language, its own mythology, the only country I can think of that has a big dragon emblazoned on the flag. Yes, we are talking about Wales in this particular instance. We're talking about North Wales and the district known as quin Heli to our friend Dave malin very non Welsh sounding name, right that Dave does not exactly It should be like da there should be like eleven continents in a row. Right, really sound Welsh. But you know, I just kidding Dave, because we love you and I can tell you've got a lot of your obligatory emoji shows us that you have a great sense of humor and well. Wales is someplace that I deeply admire the people in the history of and I wait to go visiting there at some point.

11:50 So also a great nexus of Doctor Who fandom, I should point out as well, and a lot of Doctor Who fans on the show. So thanks for checking in, Dave and wishing all the best. This person I feel I might be related to, I'm not positive. But it's definitely someplace that I would just go crazy to visit, but I need to lose about sixty pounds first before even dare start eating there. But that is the beautiful nate gland of Italia, Italia and our friend Silvio Melli. Silvio Melli a lot of Space nineteen ninety nine fans in Italia. I wonder if Silvio is one of them. Silvio, all right, that's a very sopranos name, Silvio. I like that very much, so thanks for checking in, Silvio. Great to know you're out there and know that you are a Star Trek fan out there, deep deep in Italia.

12:35 I wonder what province you live in. And finally for me, we're gonna go over to the Nordic part of the universe some of the more enlightened aspects of planet Earth. If ever aliens come here and decide to judge us. To please, aliens, go judge us by how life is conducted in the Norwegian realms, if you would, I think we might stand about chance of not being obliterated, if you. Will, because they got it going on there, typically high up on the happiness index and certainly very environmentally conscious and just generally know how to know how to practice. You know what I'm saying when I talk about huga.

13:17 Do you know what I talk about? You? Yeah, they know how to do the hyuga in a daily life and not just during the holidays. So I'd like to shave a shout out to Hada Marie so nyom jaankivist in Sweden. Nowda Marie doesn't say where she resides, but she does let us know. She's got that flag poised flapping in the wind, proudly and delighted to be of Swedish descent, a phenomenal part of the world. And Star Trek newsflash for all of those of you who just climbed out from underneath the rock, Star Trek's about enlightenment, okay, And that's really what draws us all together is the sense of believing in the power of a better tomorrow.

13:57 And that is what you can count on if you ever go visit Sweden. Hey, Keeddy Marie or am I right? I think I'm right? And with that said, let's pass this crazy bullhorn of opinionated nonsense over to that battles wheeling mad man himself, Uncle Jim. Well, Paul, I think you're right, and when you're right, damn it, you're right. And this time I'm right. So that's awesome. So first, we want to start off by saying hello and thank you to Bruce Bolan who's listening to us in Boston, Massa Chusas. Thank you so much. Truth, I don't have any emojis though, no one, please send me some emojis people I like emojis. Oh. We also want to say thank you to David Flanagan, who's listening to us in Virginia Beach, Virginia.

14:41 Virginia Beach. Cool. Yeah, pretty cool, pretty cool. We also want to say hello and thank you to Doug Bates who's in Northeast Texas. And last, but not least on my list, we have a huge fan, Mary el Silva who's listening to us in Florida. Thank you so much. As I said, guys, if you want to be featured on a future Fans shout out, head over to Truck Talk and Beyond look for the pin post that says live long and prosper and just tell us where you're listening from. Please please please leave some cool emojis. I didn't get any this week, So leave me some emoji and chances are that you're going to be featured in that future.

15:24 Fan and Jim Jim sense Victoria specifically, shout it out Virginia Beach. Man, I know nothing about that part of the world. So what's up with Virginia Beach, Victoria. Why is it so cool? Uh? Well, I mean it's got the beach, I mean, and we moved. All other towns need not enter because. Yeah, right, no, it's I mean I grew up there because my dad was in the Navy, and we moved there and we just stayed for a while. And I've moved to different cities, you know, but uh, that's where I spent I guess my formative years, if you will.

16:04 And ironically enough, I didn't like going to the beach very much because I wasn't into the whole tanning stuff. But no, it's got We have the Neptune Festival every year. I mean, you know, Neptune out of the Sea sounds cool. The Neptune Festival intrigued. Like a little bit too much for me. Man, that's liked theseon festival, So I think I need to check that out. Well, they have a huge boardwalk there too. That has a whole arcade full of classic quarter games like pac Man and Donkey Kong and Tron and all that nostalgic stuff, which is cool. So yep, I've been there a couple of times. We went there on vacation a few times.

16:55 There's a white house, is a military uh naval museum there. There's also a zoo there. It's all kinds of. The zoo is actually in Norfolk, but that's okay. You know. Region, the Tidewater area, it's the Tidewater the Tidewater area there. You go on vacation and drove there. So anyways, so are you guys ready for some Star Trek polls? Well, actually, let me correct myself some Superman poles. I think we're ready for some poles. So what do you say we get our song on? Why isn't our song coming on?

17:37 Because it is our podcast? Yes, you know me like no Wind? What you thought about the show? Then we try to share your opinions with all of our minions out there because they listen worldwide. So tell us just what you think. Get together we will all dream canar and romulin a to. And that guy has a sultry voice, Jim I don't know what it is. There's something about something.

18:22 He's been drinking the romulin blood wine. It's probably whatever true, a little bit too comfortable. He's been like hooked up to the auto tuner for eighteen hours without a break. Something going on. I love it through that. I do have perfect pitch. So you know that is a burden to bear. Can say you're a perfect did you sing you a person? I'm a perfect pitch. Perfect. Sorry, our audio on the show gets a travel about that bad. Come sure out and I also have perfect bitch.

19:06 So this week, guys, because it's our Superman super show, just like last week was our Space nineteen ninety nine super show, we don't have star Tuk polls. This week, we do have some Superman polls. And since we're gonna spend a lot of the show, not all of it talking about Christopher Reeve and the original Superman, we're going to dig into some polls. So take it away, Eric, what's our first hole? So our first poll is who is your favorite silver screen Superman? And as we all know, there have been four people, right, it's the eleven yes, four people who have represented Superman on the silver screen. And this is what our poll responders had to say. Seventy six percent of our poor responders thought Christopher Reeve was the best, and of course he represented Superman from nineteen seven eight to nineteen eighty four. Eighteen percent of our responders said they like Henry Cavill, who is the twenty thirteen to twenty twenty three guy. Brandon Roth got three percent of our vote. He's the two thousand and six guy, but you know, he only had one movie, so it's all relative.

20:22 And David corn Sweat from the new movie, which most people have not yet seen, got one percent. Dude, I'm totally like, I expect that this poll will seriously skew over the next couple of weeks. I hope it does. I'm not dissing Christopher Reeve at all, but I am super super excited about the new Superman movie. We're going to talk about it a little bit tonight. I was a little surprised that Henry Cavill only garnered eighteen percent of the vote, but I know people have a lot of like strong feelings about the way that what's his name, I can't even remember his name. The dude, the director, dude, Nack Snyder decided to portray Superman versus some of the other ways that he's been portrayed, particularly James Gunn the most recent guy, and all of our people that we're going to talk about from the past. So, you know, seventy six percent is not surprising to me, but Henry cam Will only get an eighteen percent was a little surprising to me.

21:28 I don't know. Well, that's okay because we're going to talk about him a little bit later, yeap, And we have one more Superman poll before we dive into our conversation, and you want to take us away with that one. I do. This one is actually no surprise to me. Of the four original Superman movies starring Christopher Reeve as Superman, what is your favorite? And sixty two? So what is that? Sixty two percent right of our responders said the original was the best, thirty percent said Superman two was the best, four percent said Superman three. Who are these people?

22:13 I think I think that was Richard answer. That's probably was that was Richard Pryor answer, I think, and Superman I don't even remember what happened in Superman four. The question for peace got four percent. Not knowing of the of the vote. So uh so me personally, I would put we're going to talk about this later. I would put my vote for Superman two, but only the Richard Donner cutt. We're going to talk about the details they're in later. Yes, we definitely will. And now that we've we've established that Christopher Reeve is the man and that Superman is the movie, I think it's time to dive into our conversation. So David roll the tape.

23:00 My friends, I'm not given wild. And supported statements, and I tell you that. We must evacuated this planet immediately. Jorelle be reasonable. Once there was a civilization much like ours, but with a greater intelligence, greater powers, and a greater capacity for good.

24:05 In one tragic moment, that world was destroyed, but there was one survivor because of the wisdom and compassion of jur L, because he knew the human race had the capacity for goodness. He said, as his only son, his name is Callall. He will call himself Clark Kent.

24:48 But the world will know him as Superman. This year Superman wins you the gift of flight. Superman the movie. All right, guys, there it is the original trailer for Superman. I I the original, that's the first one people saw. That's the one that came up when I did my obviously the first one, but it's the one that. I love it. I saw that. I remember seeing this at the theater when it was new. And the one thing, now, okay, the young Uncle Jim, the young and naive uncle Jim.

25:32 I was not. I wasn't familiar with soundtracks, composers, scores, that type of thing. But I will say that one of the things about Superman the movie that really really stuck in my head was that incredible music. And I was not aware at the time that part of the reason why that music was so incredible is because the guy that composed it is a composer that we all know and love pretty much. I mean every movie that we grew up watching, mister Jaws, mister e T. I mean, this guy did everything. I didn't know it at the time, but yeah, that that score, that uh Superman fanfare by it was incredible mister mister Williams himself. So that stuck in my head and to what what Eric was touching at earlier. For me personally, I think Christopher Reves played the best Superman because he was the embodiment of what Superman is supposed to be, whereas later on Superman became this dark, brooding, revengeful type of character and they took him down a path that I didn't care to go on.

26:46 And I think Christopher Reeve played that character the way I felt Superman should have been. He was you know, he had ethics, he had morals, he had values, and uh, you know, he didn't beat people up and wrap their bucks around telephone polls because they were mean to him. So I'm with our minions. I thought that Christopher Reeve was the embodiment of Superman. And I'm so excited to see the new movie because from what I've seen of the trailers, which we're going to get into a little bit later, I think that James Gunn is moving back towards that version of Superman and moving away from the. Dark rootings James gun James Gunn.

27:28 So yeah, but Paul, you want to tell us a little bit about the history of Superman, And I know this movie had its situations, so why don't you dive in and tell us about it? Okay, Well, I think it's not a controversial statement to say that pretty much anywhere you could go on planet Earth. Superman is one of those indelibly iconic characters that just everybody recognizes and he's like, you know, he's like Mickey Mouse. Right, It's just these one of those fictional characters that everybody knows, right. I mean he was first created as a comic book back in nineteen thirty eight by two guys from Cleveland who were breaking into the comic book business, right, And it's just pure fantasization, right. I mean, yeah, there's a lot of wish fulfillment in there. There's a little bit of the giving up your one son to help others kind of part of the myth thrown in there. But basically Superman is designed to become a hero for a world that needs it. You know, if you think about nineteen thirty eight, the world is kind of in a bit of a mess, right, and Superman represented hope right in the comics. It was a wildly popped of a comic, the first one that ever came out. It was a comic.

28:51 I'm sure people have seen the cover from Action Comics, right nineteen thirty eight, and there was first issue number one, and here's this guy wearing his underwear on top of outside of his clothes and a cape. Right, But he just captured the imagination of everybody because people needed hope at nineteen thirty eight, right, they really did, and a Superman represented mankind at his finest. Right, he is appeals to all of us too, because he's the outsider, right, Like he's like the way Spock was appealing. Right, he's not one of everyone, and he's been cast out. You know, it's not a controversial statement like some people are trying to make it out to be that. In a way, Superman's a refugee. Right. His world has been destroyed and he's cast out, and he's left here to try to make a new place for himself. If that's controversial for you and you have difficulties seeing the parallels, you know, we should probably go have a couple of beers and talk it through.

29:48 Right. But he is he's a man without a home's trying to make a new home. That's who Superman is. And he represents courage, humanity, decency, responsibility, ethics, steadfastness, all the things that Uncle Jim was talking about. And he represents our longing for a better future. Right. He uses his powers for good, right, and and for me, and I was lucky enough to like Jim when that picture first came out, I saw on the biggest screen possible. And I'm still a Superman fan to this day. Christopher Reeve, you know, I think leads the pomp for me as far as Superman goes. But I'm super hopeful for the new one coming up in particularly given you know that Jim Guns involved. I mean, he's just terrific and really hearing good things about this new actor as well, So I'm really hopeful. But it's just it's one of those things that it's interesting because it's like it's like when you have a character that becomes so popular over time, it's like, you know, Hamlet right in a way, Right, it's other actors play the role and bring their interpretation to it, and it's colored by the times that the film's were made, right. I Mean, it's just you know, the Superman with Christopher Reeves made at the end of the seventies, right seventies, you know, coming off with very cynical time, right, I Mean, we had Watergate, we had a lot of corruption, we had a lot of environmental malaise going on, and as we were at the threshold of a new decade in the eighties. Superman brought home

31:19 right and it was very It really resonated with people, and we're kind of similar place right now. I think that the goodness inherent Superman. I believe people are really ready to welcome that right now. So I'm very excited for it. It's you know, some images are just etched in your consciousness forever. And that first scene, not the one from the trailer we just saw, but the very first scene on Planet Krypton where you see Superman's father Joel banishing the villains into the phantom zone in this trial. I was just wrapped. It was incredible. To see that on a giant, seventy millimeter screen was just dumbfounding. It was incredible, and I was just like, this is like the great you know.

32:04 I think it was the biggest movie we've seen since Star Wars at that point, right it was a couple of years after Star Wars, and it was just like, Okay, we're in an era of new kinds of films and big. It was the really first big superhero blockbuster, right before Michael Keaton Batman, before anything, and it kind of set the tone and it was amazing. And then we got Superman Too a couple of years later, all of the seeds of which were planted in the first one, and it was also wildly entertaining and super super fun. So we'll talk about all that, but I'm just super excited about a chance to revisit some of these things. The Christopher Reeve thing is iconic, it really is, and it's fun to talk about the different ages that the film belongs to. So and I think we're really ready for a new Superman. And in this new age, I know I'm ready for somebody to be the beacon of So bring it on, James Gunn ready Superman.

33:00 People that don't know. Richard Donner was hired to direct Superman one and two. He did them back to back. Unfortunately, I believe they got rid of him. But a little more than halfway through Superman twosh, it's not like about. Like seventy five percent of the thing, right, and Alexander salkind basically they got into some arguments and Richard Donner, let's not forget this is the guy who did the omen right, So no slouch, I mean, phenomenal filmmaker, right, really amazing, but you know, they were also at a point where they weren't you know, they were still trying to get ready to make the first film ready to release, and they were like not, they were worried they weren't going to make their opening date, right, which I think was like a Christmas holiday picture if I remember directly.

33:44 But but yeah, so they basically kind of put this kids on. They fired Donner and they brought in Richard Lester, who had like the Three Musketeers and stuff like that, and he was basically, you know, kind of cleaning up the workshop just to get everything ready. But Donner got to come back later and put his own cut back together, which is kind of cool. Yeah, so there is a there are two versions of Superman, the theatrical cut and the Donner cut, which came out in two thousand and six. Superman the Movie, though, has not one, not two, but three, the original theatrical cut, the extended three hour TV cut, and then there's another dinner version of that which incorporates some of both versions into it. There's three versions of Star of Superman the Movie, and there's also two versions of Superman two. Just to get that out there. So, Eric, did you get a chance to watch Superman one and two and if you did, well, I know you did. What did you think?

34:46 Yeah? Yeah, so okay. So my experience prior to us deciding to do this show was basically Sunday afternoon t the like rerun style Superman, and what I came to realize was that I actually had no idea which movie I was watching as a kid. I think that I've learned that I've seen parts of Superman and parts of Superman two up until this point. So the two movies that I watched to prepare for this podcast were Superman the original movie, the extended cut, which was on sale on Amazon for five bucks, so I bought that one, and I understand that one had like extra scenes added.

35:42 It had the ending, which was the time travel rewind thing, which also then happens at the end of the second one. And then I saw Superman to the Richard Donner cut, which I understand has significant differences from the original theatrical cut of the movie. So I will say that I haven't seen the theatrical cut, probably as a whole thing. Ever, maybe or maybe as a kid I saw it or something. I don't even know, but I did see the theatrical or excuse me, the Richard Donner cut of Superman two. So here's what I'll say, two super cool movies. The extended cut had some interesting things, Like it was it was two and a half hours long. My understanding is that the original was like a little bit shorter and the TV version was like three hours. So I probably saw the TV version when I was a kid. But like in chopped bits, right, I feel like if you grew up in the seventies, you sort of grew up with this like concept that Superman had some movies, but that you may not have seen it from start to finish, that you may have seen it in bits and pieces as it was shown on TV. Because I feel like it was shown on TV every few months. It was

37:16 just it was like all over the place. So I saw the one with the extended scenes. I understand it had some like different music involved in it. Let's see what else I have notes here? The Okay, so the original movie, so just like one versus two, because I haven't seen three and four in a very long time, so I'll I'll just talk about Superman one and two. Superman one, I didn't remember most of what happened in the movie. I feel like I remember the beginning part with the the Kryptonians, but then that also happens at the beginning of two, so maybe I remember two happening.

38:10 But but there's this exiling of the Kryptonians at the beginning of both movies, and to me, that's significant. I understand that the Donner cut of Superman two has that, and that the Donner cut takes a little bit more time on that part of it. So to me, that's the most interesting part of these two movies is the Kryptonians. The fact that you know, there's the Yellow Sun, that that that people, or that these characters are fueled by that.

38:52 The red Sun they have no powers, but the Yellow Sun they have powers, So they are a much more compelling enemy for me, or like, uh, you know, foil for Superman Van Lex Luthor is in both of these movies, Superman one and Superman two. I find Gene Hackman Superman or Superman Gene Hackman's Lex Luthor too, yeah to be a little bit just kind of cheesy. I don't know, he's he's like, he's supposed to be some super criminal or something, but all he does is spend two movies talking about how awesome he is, and he never really shows it. So, uh, you know, Gene Hackman does like what he could do with the scripts that he was given, but his character is pretty weak in both movies.

39:48 I feel it's like a Saturday morning kids show. Yeah, he really is, with this flamboyant. Clothes and his like daisy boot neear and he's you know, totally. Furly haired wig over his baldness. He's not the lex Luthor of the comics at all, really not. At all, not at all, And I have so at this point, I've read I've spent the last year sort of catching up on a lot of Superman comics, and the lex Luthor of the comics is is like a real foil to Superman, Like he is super intelligent and he comes up with interesting ways to defeat Superman, and he has knowledge of technology and all of this cool stuff. The one in the movies, in the first two movies is just really kind of like the nineteen seventies standard cheesy sort of villain kind of guy.

40:36 So I could be the bad guy in an Elmo movie. Yeah, that's yeah, kind of like you know, that's that's sort of way you would see it, right, He's just and and Ned Batty is just a sidekick. It's just like he's it is kind of like like you know, like pee yah. Yeah, it's just like you know a lot of mugging, right, I mean, which is you know, kind of like death for drama, right, and then you get like, you know, then when you get cut over into like, you know, Terrence Stamp, he's like a whole other level, man. I mean, that's Terrence freaking Stamp. You know. It was General Zodd's Yeah. No, totally. So so I'll get into General Zod here in a minute. So, like relative to Luther and and Otis and all that sort of like initial villainry, uh, just cheesy and like I don't really resonate with those villains at all. Let's talk about Zod, okay. I like, okay, So when Superman originally came out, I was like five six years old, so I didn't see it right away.

41:40 I saw it on the Sunday afternoon replays of it throughout the eighties and that kind of thing, so I didn't really have a context for understanding what sort of villain Zod was. I was like, oh cool, there's this guy who has the same powers as Superman and stuff. But upon rewatching of these two movies, I will say that I think Zod is a really really cool villain. Like, not only does he have the same powers with his cronies as Superman, and you're like, oh, crap, there's three of them versus one of them, Like I'm gonna like, there's no way Superman can possibly defeat them. But also his like nonchalantness is that a word throughout both movies, where he just kind of seems uninterested in what's going on around him, and yet he is totally kicking by so particularly in Superman two, right, this is when this kind of like takes takes root and they escape the Phantom Zone. They come back, they're like, oh, we're on the planet of Houston. No, we're actually on the planet of Earth. There's the one scene where he like first gets on the television for the first time, and he kind of has this moment where he sort of looks at himself on the TV. One of my favorite moments of both Superman movies, honestly is when Zod is like

43:13 checking himself out on the TV. I just I think that's so what a person who's literally fueled by vanity would do and he has this kind of revenge thing. So so I feel like I'm bouncing around, But let me go back. So Superman, generally speaking, is a character who whose awesomeness is fueled by the fact that he's stronger than anybody, that he's faster than anybody, that he's bigger than anybody. So it has this really kind of and I'm going to say it, testosterone filled Jenese quad to him, right, he's like, I will kick your butt no matter what is going on. That is, you know, interesting to a certain level. The thing that really lends depth to Superman's character is that he does it for good and that he actually cares about people, and that he actually decides that he's going to use those powers for good. So somebody who uses a self fulfilling prophecy of I'm the best and I'm going to do the best and I'm going to do it all for me is less interesting than a character who does it for other people and for me. One of the most interesting parts of both of these movies, I think it's in Superman two because I sort of got them even though

44:45 I just watched him. I sort of got him mixed up. But like, the Donner cut of Superman two has a lot more of Drell in it, his actual father, like the Marlon Brando character, which I understand wasn't actually part of the theat or release of Superman because they didn't want to pay him for that character. But the Donner cut has has this moment where Jarrell's talking to him about like why he should be a good person and why he should do the things and and I just like that, that to me is super duper interesting. In the comics. One of my favorite Superman comics is the Injustice series. I don't know if you've read that or not, maybe Paul has, but like it's the one where Superman sort of is like, you know what, the world is fucked, I should just use my powers to do all of the things that make the world better. And to me, that's the that's the most interesting thing that you can possibly explore with a character who has unlimited power. What would I do with this power? How would I help people?

46:02 Why would I help people? Why wouldn't I just take over and make things the way that they look in my mind? Yeah, So anyway, I'm exploring a little bit outside of the movies right now, but in terms of the Christopher Reeve movies, let me go back. I really like the second movie, in particular the Donner cut, because I feel like it does a really good job of taking that character and exploring him in that regard. You know, he loses his powers, right, He decides to lose his powers because of the love of a person, which I think is kind of a classic trope.

46:51 And yet. It's not unlike Star Trek right, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one. And yet Kirk says the needs of the one can sometimes outweigh the needs of the many, and so in this case, Superman decides to make a decision that outweighs the needs of the many. He decides for himself. There's a great scene in the Donner cut of Superman two where he's talking to Durrell about, you know, why wouldn't I do things for myself? Why when is it enough that I have helped these people to a certain degree, When do I get my own payoff? I think anybody who has godlike powers is going to go through that thought process. So so yeah, I haven't put together a totally cohesive thing here, But I feel like the extended cut of the original Superman has some awesome scenes that are not included the original, and yet Lex is still kind of a cheesy villain missiles and whatnot. The second movie, Superman two, is the Donner cut is my personal favorite of these two. I think it has some really deep stuff going on that I rewatched the original two, and the original is just like comedy and it's like cheesy compared to the Donner cut for me, So I feel like I should give up the mic at this point.

48:21 But I did enjoy rekind of exploring these movies somebody who wasn't old enough to see them when they first came out, but like saw them on Sunday afternoons over time, and have come to appreciate the kind of reworking of Superman, particularly in Superman two back in the early two thousands, which I think is consistent with maybe more of the Superman that we're going to get in this new movie. And I'm I'm just really excited about this new movie because when you take the idea of a being of unlimited power and you translate it to I'm not going to use this power, or you know, it's not just I'm going to use this power for good. It's that maybe I need to take a step back and let others take the mic at this point. That to me, is the way to propel our society forward. So anyway, all right.

49:29 Yeah, what did you think about the practical special effects from the seventies and eighties versus all this digital CGI stuff that we're getting into now. Personally, I really believed that a man could fly. When I was sitting in a theater watching Superman. I was blown away that of the things he was doing battling the three bad guys. To me, as a kid, it was completely just awesome. Today would blow that movie away with all the CGI that they could do. It didn't bother me. Even when I went back and watched it now, I thought it was still great to me. I don't think it needs all that digital CGI to uphold the story.

50:17 Yeah, I mean, I think I'm kind of in the same boat as you, Jim. I would rather have a good story, a well written script, that sort of stuff than amazing CGI. I will tell you that. When I watched the trailer, which I think we're going to watch in a little bit, here for the new movie. There are certain scenes that happen, like the one where he's spinning in a circle with his heat vision and he's killing a whole bunch of things around him, or you know, other moments that we couldn't achieve technologically back in the seventies. I do get excited because I'm like, oh, yeah, that's more like the comics, man, Because when you read a comic, you have these still images that cur and you sort of make up what's happening in your head. I think that's the magic of comics is it uses a lot more imagination, It uses a lot more of your own creative process to make the story happen, whereas in the movies you're sort of beholden to the way that some director decided that it was going to look, or it was going to happen, or it was going to be acted, or that kind of thing. So we haven't talked about the Henry Cavill stuff yet, but to me, Henry Cavill falls in that like middle zone where it's like the technology is such that you can make it totally awesome, and yet without a really really good script, the movie falls just just a little bit flat.

51:44 Right. So to me, good writing will always outweigh good technology. It doesn't bother me one bit to watch nineteen seventy eight. He's flying through the air and you can tell that he's sort of paste it over a skuy. That doesn't bother me, It really doesn't. Well, why don't we turn the microphone over to Victoria and see what she has to say about Christopher Reeves and Superman. Oh well, because I don't remember. I don't remember seeing the movie in the theaters, but i'd seen bits and pieces of it, like Eric said on TV, and uh oh, before I forget, I did a lot of I was, you know, delving into YouTube and you know the facts you never knew about Superman, but I came across and you can look it up. Christopher Reeve was on Saturday Night Live, like all the you know, stars do, and there's this hilarious little scene where he's trying out he's auditioning for Superman, and I forget who the other guy was, but Christopher Reeve totally sucks at it. But it's just it's it's funny, and he's poking fun at himself. But I like the fact that here's this young man that you know, nobody really knew and he is basically coming into the role of a lifetime and just the dedication that he put into it because he was kind of scrawny, tall that scrawny.

53:16 And as I was saying with. Charles earlier, he did bodybuilding and the man that helped him was Dave Prowse, who was they wore the was Darth Vader because he was a bodybuilder too, And just the dedication and then also, yeah, the effects were amazing for the time. Apparently they spent like two hundred thousand dollars alone just on the opening credits where those letters are kind of swooshing towards you, because they were doing that all by hand, so to speak. And then because I like, I like the behind the scenes workings and the thing with Superman flying, that took a lot of ingenuity too, because Christopher Reeve had to be in this harness, which is not comfortable and it's probably pinching the you know, the naughty bits and everything. But he had to be in that harness for hours at a time. But what they liked about him he just didn't you know, he just wasn't you have his arms and legs out and looking like he's flying. He actually did his hands differently and he's like moving his body and that really added to it. And it was interesting on some of the comments on these YouTube channels about the movie, and it's

54:49 like how they're people who obviously have new knowledge of film history. They were trashing Marlon Brando. Yes, I know he was hard to work with, but still he's Brando, and. They even. I didn't like how they sort of they sort of trashed Margot Kidder as Lois Lane. And she was cast because she was being her own quirky self and that's what Richard Donner liked. And she had this you know, she was I think she was beautiful, but she had this vulnerabil vulton there, Yeah, that vulnerability about her, but yet you know she was you know, vulnerabil ability, but she was also had an inner strength as well. So I'm just it was just one of those things where and of course the music John Williams, you can't go wrong, and some say that that was even a better soundtrack than Star Wars, and I think he did Raiders of the Lost Star as well, but that's just a and it's just when you put the scene and the music together.

56:02 It's just perfection. But that's you know, the magic of editing. I suppose, but I did not. I started out to watch Superman two the Donner cut yesterday, and I hate to admit that I wound up falling asleep. So I have to go back and watch that. So and that's my take. That's that's perfectly fine. How about you, Charles, what'd you think about Superman? Okay, well, I was well, our people were talking. I was kind of going through a little bit of history and it's like, okay, why were we in this mood for Superman? And I'm looking back at dates, and we had the Superman cartoon back in the forties, we had the live action in fifty two to fifty full fifty eight.

56:58 Then we started getting into the interesting superhero collection. Batman was in the sixties. We had super Friends Saturday Morning starting in seventy three. In seventy five we got wonder Woman. Seventy seven we got Hulk, so of course we do that. Of course, seventy eight we got to get Superman in there. So we were in the era. We loved our superheroes, and I was gonna I was gonna say Superman two for today, But the problem was yesterday was I got watching Superman the movie. Then it's like, oh, I want to see some more origin and I want to go catch Superman the animated series and end up with a bat not only the three parter opener to Superman, but about three more episodes past that, and seeing a deaf and interesting Luther, which was very enjoyable to watch with the quirky blow with Lane. But back when this movie came out, I remember, probably with dad, going to a movie theater on a Sunday big screen and watching watching this thing on the big screen, just being in.

58:27 Awe of it. I sat there and got a little teary. It's in a couple of spots in the movie watching it this time because like, oh, I remember just some of those scenes. I thought it interesting watching it in the four K version. To me, the four K version seemed a little grainy in spots, but it's like, but that was the background, But that didn't take away from just all the special abilities that that movie did. But we also think about all the ethics of Superman. Yet his father told him not to change history, and yet he sit there and change history of change, spinning the world back and bringing to being Lois back then. I thought it interesting towards that and it's like, Okay, we never really saw what happened after that, So what did happen to those earthquakes?

59:25 Maybe there is a something in there with that, but for me, it was interesting how we kind of cut there. I also thought interesting, and I know the TV version ever edited it, but I thought it interesting when the little boy walked out of spaceship, we saw a nice full of view of that little boy. Yep, Okay, that's the boy all right, And it's like, yeah, that was interesting the fact that I that much and ever seeing that much view of a child back then. Yeah, that was a little bit. Yeah, that was a little bit. Yeah.

1:00:08 Yeah, it was surprising the fact that that was left in there and it was still part of the four K cut. Even when David showed his preview of the movie there he was if you look close enough, you'll see him full of you. Victoria didn't mention it, but it was interesting. Why did people kind of discuss Brando? Well, the thing is with Brando was I think it was a little later in his career. And he. Wanted to make his line so real. He didn't memory just script. There's at least one point where I think he's looking at the diaper and had his words are right there, the diaper's reading it. He's not reading the script. Also, Gene Hackman really wanted to didn't want to lose his hair, didn't want to.

1:01:17 Be bald for this. But it's interesting how the fact is he wanted to be so much having his hair even though Luther's supposed to be bald, and then we finally see Luthor being bald the end. But that I think that's interesting, just how and it's interesting in the movie. Look at the credits. Rando comes in, Gene Hackman comes in and little down the line, then Christopher Reid comes in. So he wasn't even getting top billing in this movie. Trivia for people on this one. Something interesting? What was the visual difference between Superman and Clark Kent? Anybody notice.

1:02:10 Glasses? Not just the glasses. What else where did he part his hair? Yeah, I was gonna say the hair hat hair. Because Clark Kent had his hair, had his hairline on the left. That's where the hairline was Super Superman the hairline was on the right. M But that was that was one of the visuals. As the fact is, which where which side did he part his hair? And I looked, I saw that in the trivia and looked at the videos. Yep, that's true. Superman did have his hair parted on the right and Clark Kent was part on the left. But if you really want to have something interesting to use the Superman definitely go back and watch the animated series back from ninety six. That was also, I think a great time for Superman. I love what they did with that series. That between that and Batman, those were musty shows back in the nineties in the afternoon.

1:03:33 So Charles, does the does the hair thing take you out of the story or do you see that as a difference between Clark Kent and Superman. That's that different between Clark Kent Superman. Clark Kent Superman are not supposed to look alike. So it's actually a way of saying, Okay, Superman looks a little differently than Clark Kent does. Well, that explains it. That's why I never put the two together. Maybe it's the fact did Lois Lane never I truly thought the two of them together. She thought it at one point, but at the end she not they couldn't be the same person.

1:04:18 I always thought it was the glasses. Well, what's interesting, Yeah, I did read that Christopher Reeve didn't. I don't know if it just happened or if he did it on purpose. But when he went into the canteena where all the actors eat, when he went as Superman, all the ladies swooned over him. But when he went as Clark Kent, nobody gave him a second look. He was basically ignored. So that's that's kind of interesting right there. Yep. Sounds like exactly what I what kind of look like is the fact he was such a different character. Mm hmmm.

1:05:03 And between the two day how meek Clark Kent is and how powerful and leadering Superman is. Well, you know what, Charles, I am very curious of all of my awesome trucks pursts, there's one in particular that I'm really looking forward to seeing what he had to say. And that's because he didn't grow up with it like the rest of us did. So I'm really interested to see what David thought about it, having I'm assuming seen it for the first time. David, am I am? I correct, No, I have seen it earlier.

1:05:45 But let me get my disguise on really quick before you guys find out my true identity. But yeah, so I wrote some notes, So let me begin with the Folst movie. So I'm kind of like in the same boat with Eric, where I kind of got the movies mixed up, and I guess I've actually kind of seen one more than i've seen two. But I've seen both, so the very beginning when they were on the planet Krypton, and I never actually noticed it before because I didn't realize that Shoopman was not that far off from when Star Wars first came out. So I noticed a lot of the similarities and designs of the architecture of Krypton versus the Death Star. So I mean, just looking at the two in comparison, it looked very similar, and so I thought, wow, that looks a lot like the inside of the Death Star. So and of course when the planet was breaking up, you know, they were showing all these different fault lines breaking power and everything, and for some odd reason when I watched we watched it, I was like, wow, that looks a lot like Hawk, the planet Hawk from Star Wars. And I didn't know if like Pire Strikes Back came out first or after. I didn't actually look at it, but yeah, So I was watching it with my wife last night, and my wife like, I saw the.

1:07:13 Mother of. Superman, Clark Kent, and she made an interesting thought that I was like, Wow, she does look a lot like Goldiehan when you put the two together. I was like, because I just had a glimpse there at first, it was just like some of her Facebook questions. I guess I don't know, but for some reason, I was like, yeah, we had to rewind it, look at it again. We're like, oh, yeah, that kind of just looked like Goldiehan. But other than that, so okay. There was a part of my notes share that I wanted to get an opinion from you guys.

1:07:54 And it's a question that I always was wondering, how come the people from Krypton do not have the your dac stame power to Superman? What dave Superman his powers? I've never actually knew that. I would like to know, what do you what do you mean? They didn't have the exact same powers. The reason that the villains, that the reason the villains had powers when they were on Earth, they did not have those powers on Krypton. Krypton had a red sun. Earth has a yellow sun. Their yion that you took from Krypton and you put them on Earth, they would have similar equivalent power. That's just the fact is it's a different environment. And so it's like when you are on Earth and you have a different son, Kryptonian's powers are enhanced as opposed to them just being normal when they're in their own environment with their difference on So.

1:08:48 And I think this is like an interesting, like ethical and like a deeper topic in terms of Superman, because on Superman's home planet, he's just a normal guy. But when he comes to Earth, particularly in the extended cut of Superman One that I saw, Durrell explains that he's going to have enhanced powers, that he's not going to be like other people, that he's going to be another you know. And it sounds like maybe this new movie takes that to kind of another level. But I like that part of Superman in that he's like feels responsible for other people even though he is different from them.

1:09:31 I wonder, I wonder what would happen if if an Earth Wing went to Krypton. Would you be super weak? I mean, I don't know. Nobody, nobody knows how yellow Sun Powers actually worked. It's like an energy thing. Like I could take it to the thermodynamics discussion if you want to talk about that, Like I get wonder, I get theorized that for a little bit, if. You'd like. Killing me, curious, sailing me with all this stuff whatever. All right, so let me continue on with my note. So I wrote here that it's just a rated other movie because we saw private parts. I mean, I know. That seventies were different.

1:10:13 Man. Yeah, there's also a scene in the first movie where you hear off screen a kid getting smacked because she lied about her cat being. Saved by Oh yeah, yeah, it's kind of weird, right, thanks Superman the seventies. Yeah, okay, So. Yeah, so here's something that me and my wife actually found out that in the sene in Superman one, when he was traveling this was the non Chrystopher reb actor. He was opening up his backpack and he was going to take out the green crystal to throw out to build his home. We noticed something very familiar in his backpack.

1:10:57 It turned out to be red and blue inside. We're like, is that his shoot? Did he actually have a shoot with him when. Well, well, they say, and it's either the first of the second movie where he is sent with three different blankets. He's sent with a red blanket, a blue blanket, and a yellow blanket that are meant to protect him while he's on the planet. So that's where his like colors and his whole thing comes from. Okay, that's interesting, so let's see here. Oh yeah, So keepping more into the story of the Superman movie. I really laughed how loud when he went up to the half telephone booth and he was going.

1:11:39 To change his sh but he looks at it right, He's. Like, but yeah, so let's see here. Oh yeah. So when Lois Lange did his first interview with Superman, it must be a seventies thing. I don't know, but I was like, man, this is kind of make me uncomfortable. I mean, what color of underwear in my way? So, I mean it was super important though, because that's where we found out that he couldn't chose the lead. So I got they had to throw that in there, and that was actually kind of interesting conversation they had going on there, and I was just like, wow, it's just but.

1:12:20 I honestly wasn't sure if that was included in the theatrical release or so that was just an extended cut thing. Okay, okay, that was original. I don't know which point I've watched. And I want to know how could Lois Lane afford that awesome apartment? You know, she had a balcony, it was huge. It wasn't the size of a closet like your average you know, New York apartment is that costs you, you know, five thousand dollars. So, but I cracked up when she she said, how big are you at? You know, it's like, I mean, how tall are you? I'll tell you what you know. You can always just say she had rich parents.

1:13:02 Man, I mean it's always it's always yeah. But to go back on something Jim said about the special effects, right, what's a great scene in her apartment? Since you mentioned that, V there's an awesome scene there where she's out on the apartment and she's talking to Superman and Superman waves goodbye and he flies off. Okay, and in the same shot without cutting and or editing, she walks away back into her apartment to answer the front door, and there's Clark Kent and it's within like I don't know, twenty seconds or something like that. And at the time, right, that was a hell of a get right. I mean, now we know how they did it right, and I won't spoil it for you now, but it was like a great effect right for the time, it was like, how did they do that? There's no cut, there's no edit. You know, it was really really well done.

1:13:53 I mean for the time, that was a beautiful piece, right. Yeah, So I got one more thing for the notes for one. Now get back on to Superman two here. So that whole time travel thing when he's putting around the planet and everything. I mean, I know and science doesn't really work that way, but uh, the idea that Lex lucior Luthor had this line in the movie where he was saying about a bubblegum wrapper unlocking the knowledge of the universe, and I was just thinking, okay, so if that could be a thing, welcome. Superman never really was able to dislike, you know, revive Lowis Lane from dying instead of having to spin around the Earth, Like did he not bring a bubble gum with him?

1:14:42 I don't know. It's just kind of like it was kind of an interesting scene where it was just like you just decided to go and disobey his father to bend the planet around, and it was just kind of like a dumb word moment. But yeah, well so, So one of the things that I've find interesting about this some of the stuff you're talking about now is the fact that Durrell says that these crystals contain the full knowledge of the twenty eight known galaxies right of the but in both of these movies, that full knowledge is not displayed at all.

1:15:25 So it's it's kind of like exposition to me to say, Okay, Superman has all this cool knowledge and yet he never displays it. He never He still is fumbling his way through human society. He's still like trying to figure out how to protect humans. Like why does he even care about the planet that he's on. I guess it's because it's the one planet that he's on. Why is he not trying to find other planets that are more important or that sort of stuff. So, so I don't know. I like, relative to what you're saying, there's Superman supposed to based on these movies, He's supposed to have all this superior knowledge, but it is never once displayed or used.

1:16:10 I'm not I'm not nickpicking about it. I just thought it was a little strange that the director decided to go that route. But it was just kind of fun to watch. But at the same time, I do remember the spinning planet from way back in my early years. But but did you have do you have somebody's lines written on your diaper? Did you right have his lines written in diaper? If I can add, you know that scene or that part where Superman, you know, he realizes Lois Is Lois is dead and because I think because he couldn't, he goes back to not being able to or his earth father as I call him, wouldn't let him get say, wouldn't be saved in the tornado because he didn't want Clark's powers to be revealed, and so he had to let his father die, you know, his earth father, and that's really.

1:17:12 The only one that he knew. So so he loved his father and he loves Lois, I assume at this point. And then it was Christopher Reeves's idea to do that primal scream that he did, and it just like man, when you hear that, it just at least I did, it just went right through me. And he just like, no, I can't. Somebody else that I love has died. I cannot deal with this. I'm going to use my powers, you know, screw what my dad said. I'm going to turn back time. I'm going to save her. And there there we go. Huh yeah, interesting, all right, cool? Well, I mean overall, it's a Superman one movie. I actually enjoyed it.

1:17:58 It was really fun. Brought back a lot of no childia for me from my past, so, I mean, I'm not that young, but it was interesting. But for Superman two. Before I actually go to Superman two, you guys mentioned about Lex Luthor being a comic really type of character, and I actually kind of enjoyed that. I mean, without a little bit of comic a comedity, uh, you know, it would be an okay movie. But to me, I'm all about the comedy. So I actually liked that Alex Luthor part and it was actually kind of enjoyable. Made last couple of parts. But anyway, to Superman two. Yeah, so when the chief when everybody knows about Superman and they were putting them all in the papers and everything, and the chief of the newspaper company says, get your head out of the cloud.

1:18:49 Is that a reference for him, just kind of like flying around to Superman Because he was always up into clouds with Lowis, I was always wondered about why did they, particularly particularly Shed get your head out of the cloud. But maybe I'm just too young to know that phrase, but oh yeah, clouds. Used to be a reference to somebody being a dreamer or some being distracted. They're heading the clouds, They're not focused on what they're doing. It's a common phrase back then. Nice. So when Lex Luthor reveals that he was going to be sending out the bomb to uh, California and New Jersey. Uh, and when Superman brings out the first bomb, I was thinking of Phace nineteen ninety nine immediately right in there.

1:19:37 I was just like, oh no, he's gonna put it on the moon and we're gonna lose it. But uh so I thought that was kind of an interesting throwback. But yeah. Another part of the Lex Luthor situation when they were in the jail, the whole community thing, comedy thing which made me I got loud for some odd region, was when Otis pushed his fingers behind Lex Luthor when the lights came out and he did the Little Bunny Us. I thought that was clarious. And of course you can't forget all the beautiful scenes that they had with the scene wage. I mean, Viagara Falls. I mean, come on, guys, that's that's a really important place to remember. That's that's a border between Canada and US. That's a really interesting water.

1:20:34 I've never been to it myself, but it was pretty cool. I liked seeing different scene wages and movies, especially when it comes to like scenes from like different countries, like Lord of the Range. They did the entire shot over. In New Zealand. You know, that was really beautiful. I actually liked that kind of stuff. So but yeah, the other thing that kind of bothered me, and it kind of took me out of the story for some reason. I don't know why, but in Sucreman two, they kept traveling turned North Pole and back, especially when Superman loses his powers. I was like, Okay, how long does it take him to travel there? And why aren't they wearing it's the good to keep themselves warm.

1:21:17 I don't know why that took me out, but it was just like, oh man, that was a little strange. So but I mean, yeah, David, he can let let me just I feel like I have to interject here. So he can travel fast enough to literally reverse the rotation of the earth, so you don't think that he could make it to the North Pole really quickly. Well, when he lost his powers, though, he couldn't fly anymore. Right, so when they made love after him losing his power, they the next thing, they were into college, traveling to I guess the nearest town, just like, Okay, that's a little strain, but I mean it wasn't just him too.

1:22:00 It also likes Luthor, who travel in a blimp, and he would wear in his prison clothes and it was like, you know, that doesn't make sense to me, but I mean, you know it's cool. It's let's see none. He's the character of the three villains, right, so I've noticed she didn't have a shingle line in that entire movie. He just made a bunch of guntote noises. He's mute. I don't think he can talk. He's mute. Yeah, yeah, I mean that's I mean at the very beginning, and Branda was in the first movie. Basically, it's the very opening thing. He gives everybody a thumbnail description, right, he says and you know, none whose brute only means of expression is through wanting violence, right, He's just like the guy can't express himself verbally. He's kind of more animalistic, right, And is the perverted one, right because he's you know, of course you have to make the woman perverted because it's right. But but yeah, it's you know, everyone's giving a thumbnail sketch, but it's just it's easy. But it's a fantasy. Man, that's agreat. It's a fantasy, and we did not want to be putting the rules of reality and just go with it. You know.

1:23:20 I didn't know that he was mute though. That's interesting. But but yeah, okay, one more thing I have now, just leave it at that Superman's house is super dangerous? Where did they go when they fall into the myth that the three villain that apparently lost their powers? So what what what happened? They go back in the fantom zone? I mean, so, David, like generally, so you've talked about a ton of minutia about these movies, Like what is your general impression of the story and the way the story moves and the way that the characters represented in these movies?

1:24:04 I honestly. Like I mean, of course, like Paul said, you can't really put reality into a fantasy movie, and I understand that, but I did like a lot of the take on the the things that had to do with Superman being the shavior I guess you could say to humanity and being. The Jesus character. Yeah, yeah, pretty much. And I mean I mean he is Jesus, let's be clear. So here's the. Thing though, on his shoot, did they have a meaning of what that actually meant in the nineteen seventy Yeah. Yeah, Paul take this.

1:24:46 It was the family crest of his family, right. Yeah, it's you don't want to get too bogged down in definitions, man, you got to just roll with stuff a little bit. Okay, it's just like we I mean clearly. I mean, you've got a character that's been around before it was turning to a movie, David. I mean, Superman's been around for what forty freaking years, right, forty years before they made this movie, right, obviously. The s for Superman, right, but then in the movie they do they're one nod towards grounding it. Right. When you're on d you see everybody has these various different family symbols that are like house crests or sigils or whatever you want to evoke the Game of Thrones parlance, right, and that you know, what looks like an S to us is basically the you know, the the jor L house symbol essentially, right, And they riffed on that in Man of Steel as well, So it's just basically like a family crest. Yeah.

1:25:42 Yeah, I didn't really that. I thought I always thought it was an S for super Superman. Well it is, but they just try to embellish it. Yeah, but then when I saw then, I saw them when I saw geor L and say, ah, that's where it comes from. Okay, so Krypton scenes in the first movie, Look, you'll see it by to other symbols that are different. It's just showing that everybody else has got these quests too, and it just Superman's happens to look like an S. Right, It's just it's it's you know, you just gotta go with it. Yeah, So I mean to go back on the whole whole thing. I mean I did enjoy that. Yeah, she has this Jesus character type thing and that everybody has to kind of like look up to him. To know what is right what is wrong type of thing. But then at the very end of the Superman two movie where he comes back to beat up that guy, I was like, that's not technically the hope that people are looking for. I mean, showed justice in a way, but it's just just toward him. But I mean, doesn't pictures particularly, I was like, did super Men really want revenge? It doesn't seem like you're talking.

1:26:50 About the daughter. Cut the scene where he goes back and beats up the bully at the diner. Yeah, I guess I watched the donnal one but yeah, I thought I was like that does it seemed like hope to me. But other than that, you know. But that was one scene out of a two and a half hour movie too. Yeah. Well he is the big leiest, bestliest. So you know, and sometimes you just got to beat up the bad guy. Yeah, sometimes they get what they deserve. So, David, before we run out of time, which we are running out of rapidly, we have we have a graphic from three tomatoes, rotten tomatoes, five tomato salad whatever. I'll throw that up there on the screen real quick.

1:27:33 Okay, let me shut the screen. Yeah, fun go. So there we have it, the rating of all the Superman movies up to date, not including the one that's coming up. Well, actually it is on there. Okay, that's almost up there with the original. So what do you guys think about this? It looks pretty good to me. I would agree with it, having not seen the new Superman movie yet. So hmm. I mean, our our fans had Superman one beating out Superman two, but Rotten Tomatoes has Superman two scoring the highest.

1:28:19 Superman three and Superman four did a little bit better with their ratings, and our fans gave it. I'm surpribably Superman two Superman Returns. It's got such a high rate to be frank, I mean, it's it's pretty forgettable, you know, I think more I would I would have thought that more people. You know, no offense, right, but it just doesn't really hold up so great. It's kind of boring and you know Man of Steel, Well, it's got its issues and it is certainly controversial because of what Superman did you know, I would expected that to be much more popular than Superman Returns. HM. Now Batman versus Superman getting a twenty eight is that the uh? The Zack Snyder extended three hour cut or is that the original?

1:29:03 I don't I guess origin this is rotten tomatoes. It's probably the original later going off of its initial theatrical release, is my guess that's that's yeah, what's going on here? Yeah? You know, and it's weird for. The theatrical one. But the Zack Snyder extended version, I enjoyed it much better because it expanded on a lot of the problems I thought the original movie had. So I enjoyed the extended cut of Batman versus Superman in the Justice League much better than the original theatrical and then Superman. All right, So I guess this is a great time eighty five Superman boor than eighty five for the people that have already had it. See it. You guys want to check out the trailer. Let's do it.

1:29:48 Do it, David roll the tape. I'm anxious to talk about this one. Are you being serious right now? Yeah? You'd let me inter view you as Superman? Sure, ready, let's do it. Cronkite Superman, miss Lane. Recently you've come under a lot of fire for where some might it's. A lot. Today the Secretary of Defense. Said he was going to look into your actions. That's funny.

1:30:28 My actions. I stopped a war? Maybe not? Maybe I did. In effect, you illegally entered a country. This is how you're going to be. I'm not the one being. Interviewed, Superman. Did you consult with the president? You seemingly acting as a representative. Doing good. I would question myself in the same situation and consider the consequence people were going to die.

1:31:12 Hey, budd eyes up here. Your choice, your actions, that's what makes you who you are. Super Man, He's not mad, he's an it.

1:31:58 Somehow become a focal points entire worlds conversation. I will not accept that. I claimed your boots, Go get them for you.

1:32:39 You have a dog? Yeah, that's my lay layer right there. So the first thing that I got to say about this trailer that really pulled me in and really made me say, wow, did you notice the soundtrack? Did you hear it? Okay, that's like I want to see a Star Trek movie and not hearing the Star Trek theme, I mean the fact that they that they use the original uh soundtrack, well part of it. Just yeah, I liked it right away. I'm really excited to see this movie. I'm looking forward to it a lot, matter of fact, and I think, oh no, I'm not. I don't want to say now, but I think I'll be with it with the fans that we saw on that on that script a little earlier.

1:33:27 I think I'm gonna like this movie. What do you think Paul is looking good? Well? I don't know, man. You know, it's like it's hard for me to get caught up in new media, and especially when there's a lot of like marketing and like and things like that happening. It's difficult for me to get excited about it and to start. You know, it is like I don't know about Crypto. If I'm gonna be all okay with him serious, I am. I this looks great. I have. I love James Gunn as a filmmaker. I think he's great. Almost nobody talks about The Suicide Squad, the remake that he did. The movie made poorly the first time, and then gun came in and did like a good version of it. That's just great.

1:34:16 Or if you've what is the show we Scott on HBO? I can't remember Peacemaker? Okay, you mean Peacemaker is another gun show, right, freaking hilarious. Right. The guy really understands how to do a crazy combination of like cartoon violence and humor and heart. I think, really, really, really well. He exhibited that in the Guardians of the Galaxies movies. I just think it looks great. This David Cornsweat guy. I think he's the real deal. I think he looks great, just as you know, passioned, you know, immediacy in that scene with Lois Lane is just looks terrific. So I'm you know, there's a whole lot of characters going on in this movie, right. The green lantern that we saw this one of the green lanterns. Right, It's like it's like the one with the bowl cut. Right, there's one of the green lanterns, Guy Gardner, who's and that's our good friend from Firefly helped.

1:35:13 Me out, Eric, Yes, Nathan Fillian. Yeah, Nathan Phillyan, thank you. And I'm sure he is with the haircut full on comic relief, is my guess. Right, Well, And and when you read the comics, Guy Gardner is literally kind of off the rails, like he's a he's a different kind of green Lander from hell Jordan, like really different kind of green Lander. Yeah, so, and they're going for that. But this is the you know, you know, all the Zach Sneyner stuff has kind of been put out to past you, right, and they gave Gunn the entire oversight of the entire New DC film franchise. So this is film number one, and so this is gonna be We see hawk Girl, Yeah, you see hawk Girl in there. You see Mister Terrific.

1:35:54 You see all kinds of characters. So there's a whole bunch of new super you know, DC universe stuff coming, right, and I'm sure there's going to be plenty of Easter eggs and things to launch that in this film. But it looks terrific to me. It looks really fun. The main thing is I like the heart of it and the fact that you know, he's he's a bit of a naive guy in a cynical fu up world, right, and the fact that, yeah, they brought in Crypto the Dog and and and are willing to do stuff like that that's more comic book oriented. I'm super optimistic. I was, you know, initially, I was a little concerned that the right wing was going to get all over this thing because of what James Gunn said about immigrants, but it's just like if you can't grasp that, I'm yeah, it's it's, it's And he looks like he's kind of depicting the age we live in, right, with a lot of you know, rising fascism and intolerance, right, and I think that we need an antidote for that. So I'm really I'm super excited for this. I'm not sure how soon I can see it. I still need to see Jurassic World or whatever the hell it is, but I'm super excited. I want to see this on the biggest Dolbey at most screen I can find, and I think it's going to be a winner. I'm very optimistic.

1:37:12 I agree, Paul, I agree on what are the truck first thing you guys planning on going to see it or think. Yeah, I think there's a lot of im Yeah, there's a lot. Yeah, there's a lot going on. But I did see I know that the director did clap back and sort of I don't know what the word is, he sort of stomped on the the people who were criticizing him because unfortunately, I hope I can say the word woke has been totally twisted into what it was meant to be. And it's basically to you care about people, you want everybody to just have a a good life, and you want to I just want to be a decent human being. And they've just twisted it into oh it's you know, they're uh, they're preaching, they're on their soapbox and all this, and and he just clat back, it's like, we need this, and we I agree, we do need a movie that gives us hope. And that's what movies have done almost since the beginning during the World War two, was that surely, you know, Burley Temple movies gave people escapism and they were able to, you know, have a little bit of hope for that time that they were in the movie theater. So if I can find somebody to go with me, because I don't like

1:38:45 to go to movie theaters alone, but uh, maybe I can find one of my co workers that's interested and I'll go. I want to go see. It excellent, I'm where I'm with you V. I definitely want to go see it myself for sure. And the one thing I liked the scene, the scene that we saw where he says people were going to die, and he made the decision to stop the war. And I think that's an I think that's what Eric was talking about the beginning. That's an ethical question. Does Superman being Superman have the the right I think Captain Kirk said this too on Star Trek, to stop a war because he can without going through the proper channel, just go over there and say, hey, dudes, we're not going to fight today, end the story, put down your guns and go home. And I think that's a I think Paul's right, that's something we need to look at, especially what's going on today. And I did find it. Did it look like those were ice agents that were attacking Superman er and walking up? Yeah, as an immigrant type of deal.

1:39:54 So I'm looking forward to it for sure. So you know, at this point, we could go on and on and on about Superman. There's so much we could talk about. But I think we've I think we've touched the tip of the iceberg pretty well. You got at least three people who haven't commented on this trailer yet. Jim, all right, well go ahead, Holy crap. So excited. I just like, that's all I want to say. Lex as President Superman doing what he thinks is right does he have the right to do it? Crypto the Dog a new Jonathan Kent. There's guide you in this movie? Are you kidding me? Nathan Fillian, Like he's the most amazing Firefly captain and yet he's Green Lantern now amazing Guy Gardner, That's all I have to say. No, Hawk Girl, I mean, Hawk Girl's exciting to me. But the Green Like, I'm a huge Green Lantern fan and I've read so many Green Lantern books are at this point in my life. And to have the like smarmy, redheaded bowl cut like Green Lantern in this movie, also played by the guy from Firefly, I'm just really excited.

1:41:05 I mean that's hard not to love, man, I mean, right, you know there's a Green Lantern series coming too. I do know a TV series coming, and I'm so excited. It's like looks like a cop show kind of thing, which I'm really excited about. Yeah, I think there's gonna be a lot of Yeah but that. But that's Jordan and John Stewart like thing. It doesn't have Guy Gardner. But yeah, I'm super excited about it. Well, saying what about you, Charles, You're gonna go see it? You're excited about it. Before our Superman special, I was kind of hemmed and hauled about seeing this one. I hadn't seen this specific. I am seeing too many previews on this one, so it's a lot darker than I expected, but it may be interesting.

1:41:53 Now. Something impressed me. Of about three people here who know the name well of Mark Lee, he got to see an early viewing of this thing and given Night point five, all kind of laugh why. I said, Well, Mark, Mark critiques movies like Paul, does you say you like that? If he gets you Nate point five, he says it's a good movie. He doesn't give movies these good ratings. If he doesn't like a movie, he will give it low ratings. He will be very differentt eduication that it's probably well thought of.

1:42:39 Y good. That's good. Right, Well, it's important to have standards, you know. I think you know and commit to them. So that's good. Well, I guess that leaves you David. Oh. I've said I I'm excited, but at the same time, I'm like, I never really grew up with a lot of superhero movies, and so I don't know a whole lot of like their background and all that kind of stuff. But it does look really full of action packs. So I mean, of course, you know, nobody really wants to put real life situations into a fantasy movie. So I'm gonna see it for funness and the action and see what happened. So will she it when I can?

1:43:26 I guess now, Paul, is that the Is that the Justice League that we see in this movie? No, I don't think so. No. I think they have another name that I've heard bandied about, but I'm not going to say it here because it's kind of think it kind of a I think it's kind of a react to it in the movie joke thing, so let's leave that. But it's not the Justice League. Yeah. Justice League is typically made up of like the core well you know, the trend Wonder Woman, uh, and Superman. Right, but then you've got like, you know, we've never had a good Martian Manhunter Man and my worship Manhunter is part of the part of the Justice League, right, we never really had him or Hawkman or some of the other you know, lesser characters and guns a big comic guy, and he's got a blank check so he could give us all this stuff. And you know, I think he's going to go in a different direction than than Zack Snyder did. I think they they are friends. I don't think they there's any enmity there, but they just have different tastes. Right, It's just like, you know, I'm you know, I can go out with a friend and eat a meat pizza who's a vegetarian, and we're both going to have a good beer.

1:44:33 Right. I mean I think that's how they are, right. So it's just but I'm excited. This is just the opening salvo. I think they're going to do really well the Jurassic World movie from what is Jurassic Park? Now? Right, here's the thing, right, not the greatest reviews didn't great, you know, didn't do so well, right, I mean, as far as critical consensus goes, I think it's considered rotten on Rotten Tomatoes. Right, last I checked, they had a not monster a weekend open weekend. They did huge. Okay, they did huge business, right, really really a hit. And with these kind of numbers for this movie, and the audience score is higher than the critics score, it's going to be a huge weekend for this picture. I think it's going to be a colossal hit. I think people are hungry for this right now. I think they really need it and want it and are ready to have fun.

1:45:22 And this movie looks like fun, so I think it's going to be a big hit. I agree. I'm right there with you. So and again, there's a lot more Superman we can talk about, but we just you don't have time. I think you've done quite a bit. I do that one thing I wanted to mention, is it okay? You know, I don't know that we're gonna have time, So we may not have time to go through our birthdays yet. I think we're still there's a lot of I see a lot of interns running around behind the Uncle Jim or you know, try to figure out if we do have time to do birthdays. We may not because there's a lot of you know, a lot of we have a lot of interns on this show, and it's hard to tell what's gonna happen. It's at this so it's possible we may not get to the birthday segment. I'm not sure. There is one very important birthday that we do need to sort of grab the emergency brake cord and pull and acknowledge. Okay, and that is well. I don't know if everyone's head configuration is the same as mine. But did you all know, Fellows experts that one of our owners having their oh doometer roll over tomorrow, and that is our good friend Eric, whose birthday it is tomorrow.

1:46:37 Happy birthday. So we must pour a klingon blood wine on top of Eric's head right now, and we must wish him well. And you know, if anyone can keep the earth spinning in a harmonious and uh well that super direction, i'd say it's Eric. So you know, wish him well and and festoon him with regalia if you have the opportunity. Chara looks fabulous. Let's just say that it's bad. Slightly, and it's just it's just it's just there. It's like a like a mushroom, right, and it's great. It really is always there. Yeah, happy birthday brother, Thanks buddy.

1:47:21 Not one of the original trek birds, but he sure feels like it a long time. Let's see if I can remember my trek talking history. Eric joined us right around the time of GM Chris and Star Trek Attack Wing. Correct. Yeah, I consider my birthday to be November twenty seventeen. Yeah, so Eric's been around for quite a while. So it's great, great to have you along. Thanks man. So yeah, I'm looking forward to celebrating what my third year in my fifth decade, it'll be.

1:48:04 Oh boy, this is I know. I can't even. I'm stupefied. Whereas I'm wondering younger than I am? Yeah, I mean and yeah, because I had a birthday in May, and I'm just wondering, is there a filter that I can get that like makes me look younger? You know, it's called the Eric filter. Eric, I couldn't know. I can go like that. Is it Star Trek Insurrection where they stretched their faces right. Like the movie Brazil?

1:48:45 Yeah, yeah, Catherine helm but she's got Yeah that that movie. That movie freaked me out. When I saw this, I can think. About when I saw Insurrection, I'm like, oh boy, yeah, Williams Lawyer is on the phone right. Yeah, that is a disturbing movie. That is a disturbing movie. Disturbing. Yeah. After that, speaking of birthdays, you're you're ready to ready to do some Trek birthdays. It looks like we're gonna roll through it. Let's see if we can roll through it, We'll see that was not a song, all right, guys, this is a part of the show where we do our Star Trek birthdays, and we always start off with those members of our Star Trek family who, sadly enough, are no longer with us, and for that we turn to our very own birthday boy himself, Eric.

1:49:52 All Right, guys, we're gonna just sort of read through our remembrances this week, no extra info. Happy Birthday to WILLIAMS. Shallard, the actor who played Nils Barris in the TOS second season episode The Trouble with Triples and also played Varani in the DS nine second season episode Sanctuary. Happy Birthday, Happy Birthday, as well to Ward Costello, the actor who played Gregory Quinn in the TNG first season episode Coming of Age and also played that played a character in Conspiracy, Happy Birthday, Happy Birthday, as well to Bruce French, the veteran actor who played Sabine Genestra in the TNG four season episode The Drumhead. Also played an o'compan doctor in Voyager's first season episode Caretaker, and a sona doctor in Star Trek Insurrection. Finally played a Vulcan elder in the Enterprise first season episode The Andorian Incident. Happy Birthday, to you.

1:50:56 Happy birthday as well to Tim O'Connor, the veteran actor who appeared as Ambassador Briam in the TNG fifth season episode The Perfect Mate, best known as doctor Elias Huer on the classic science fiction series Buck Rogers in the twenty fifth century. I have so much more to say about these people, but we don't have time right now. Brock Peters also has a birthday this week. Veteran actor of stage, film and television. He played Admiral Cartwright in Star Trek for the Voyage Home and also Star Trek sixth The Undiscovered Country, and later portrayed Joseph Cisco on Deep Space nine. Happy birthday to Brock Peters. And last, but not least, on the remembrance list, we have veteran actor Ron Glass, who appeared in a Star Trek Voyager episode called Nightingale. Also appeared as a detective Ron Harris in the television series Barney Miller, but I know him as Shepherd Book from the most awesome one season series Firefly.

1:52:00 If you have not read the Firefly books, of which I believe there are nine, you should read them, because there's not just one series one season of Firefly. There are nine books, and all but the Una McCormick one are really good, and I'm sorry that she wrote the worst one, but it's true. These different than the comics. Oh yeah, dude, there is a whole series of novels written by various people who write the novels, like the David Mack types and stuff not like uh oh no, there there are nine books and you should read them. Like I said, Una McCormick feels like she wrote hers on a weekend, like away somewhere for whatever reason. Typically she's really awesome. Hers is by far the worst one, but the other eight are really really good, so you should read them.

1:52:49 I like that, Candor man, That's that is my kind of just saying. She was on the She was on the podcast, and I love McCormick, like deeply in my soul love her, but her book was not was a piece. So there you go, Paul, take it away, buddy. Or how about I'll take it away. Next, take it away? All right, let's do a Happy birthday to Earl Bing Billings, actress who played Admiral Thomas Henry and tnng's fourth season episode Drumhead. Happy Birthday to Robert Kneppler, actress who played Wyatt Miller and TNG's first season episode Haven and Golly and Voyager six season episode Dragon Teeth. Hapby birthday to Billy Campbell, actress who played cd M o'conna in TNG's second season al Rageous O'Connor thirty years later replayed his role in three episodes of Star Trek Prodigy. Happy Berton and Micah Burton, actress who played Alan dre LaForge in the third season of Star Trek Pericard. Happy birthday to Emily Coats, Canadian actress who played Key Detmer in Star Trek Discovery. Happy Birthday, domic Keaton, actress that played Ensign played Enterprises Annexes one Armory Officer Lieutenant Malcolm Reid and

1:54:23 Star Trek Enterprise. Happy birthday to Lynda parks Park, actress who played communication officer Ensign oh She Sato in Star Trek Enterprise. Born in Seoul, Korea, South Korea. Paul, who's on your list? Thank you, some commenter, Charles, I appreciate it. First of all, let's give it up to birthday Dennis and Kurt Woods Smith, the awesome, awesome actor who played Federation President in Star Trek sixth The Undiscovered Country, Thranks in Deep Space nine fifth season episode Past in Voyager's fourth season episodes Hell Part two, which we love, and voiced Imperium Magistrate clar in The Star Trek Lower Decks first season episode Veritas.

1:55:13 I will always think of him though, as the most awesome villain in maybe all of movie history. In RoboCop Clarence Bodeger, who made his entrance by spitting blood on the booking desk of a police station and saying, defiantly, just give him my fucking phone call. I know. That's how I was introduced to Kermit Smith. He's awesome. Happy birthday to you, sir, you are a legend. Happy birthday to Saul Rubinek, German born Canadian actor played Kivis Fajo in the Next Gen third season episode The Most Toys. Tends to refer to people as his possessions, which I think is not a cool thing. Happy birthday to the luminous Kim Darby actress who played Mary in first season episode with the same name. The titular character Mary but all so really super famous for being in the great John Wayne movie True Grit. So definitely always great we see all these phenomenal stars that was on Star Trek as well. Happy birthday to Scott Grimes, actor musician who appeared as Eric in Next Genarisian third season evolution and the phenomenally cool I believe VI has spent some time with this individual. We Alan Rock actually played Captain John Harriman in Star Trek generations, most recognizable for his roles as Karen Frank, Faris Buela's hypogondery best friend and Faris Bueller's day. When are we getting all those new things installed in our starship? Captain Harriman? Tuesday you for play

1:56:44 and Happy birthday to the weird, strange part of Star Trek Voyager alternate universe Almost wasn't kind of situation. The lovely and famous Genevieve Boujol from Quebec, Montreal, French Canadian actress. She was the first choice of the producers of Star Trek Voyager to play then called Captain Nicole Jane Way, which is kind of strange, and later to be recast and renamed Captain Catherine Janeway. She actually did a day and a half or so of shooting and then let's just say there were creative differences. And I mean, if you.

1:57:29 See her screen test, you can't possibly imagine her playing go to YouTube. Stuff out there. It is nuts. It is not It is really wild. I mean no offense to Boujeol. There's been some phenomenal movies, but man, it was just yeah, you just it's just crazy. What can happen in show business? Guys, it's just nuts. It's just you know, you know, you don't like what's happening. Wait five minutes. It's just nuts. So yeah, happy birthday to you. And what stories you could tell us. We'd love to get you on the show and have you tell us what really happened. I think that would be time well spent. But you know, let's hand it over to that crazy klingon forehead buried, you know, out of control like Star Trek five eleven impresario.

1:58:18 He who is Uncle Jim. Well, before we move on, I just want to say that they almost had her show up on Lower Decks when they had that time travel Ultimate Universe thing go on. They reached out to her to have her come on as Jane Way and they couldn't make it happen. So we almost got We almost got to see her for real in Star Trek, but it didn't happen all right, guys, I only have three birthdays. I like to keep the Klingons for myself. So the first one we want to say Happy birthday. And cop Laid Latif, who is the British actor who played Ash Tyler in the first and second season to start to Discovery. He also played the King on the and we see him quite a bit as a Klingon human half freed. I guess is the word you would say. She's a Klingon trapped and a human body. So happy birthday. This next one, I'm gonna try to squeeze him if we want to say Happy birthday to Von Armstrong. He's a veteran Star Trek actor who was noted for portraying twelve separate characters in It's one of the eight episodes over for a separate series.

1:59:28 Armstrong is one of only five actors to play seven or more different characters in the Star Trek franchise, the others being Jeffrey Combe, Brandy Odley, j g Hertzler, Tom Morga, Dennis Madelone, Leslie Hoffman, and Thomas Capachi. His characters include a human, a Romulan, a former Borg, a Vidian, a Christian, a Herogin, two Kardassians, three Klingons. However, he's probably best known for his recurring role as Admiral Maxwell Forrest, one of the Good Admirals, and Trek Enterprise. For me, though, I'm going to call him out for playing Captain Chorus and one of my favorite first season episodes of TNG, part of Glory. He also played Chorus and the Voyager episode Endgame. He's the one that gives Jane Way that time traveling thing there that they used, And of course he was a Klingon Captain and Enterprise episode Sleeping Dogs, and I squeezed him in and we're just about out of time. But I got the last one here who's not a Klingon. But I just love her to death.

2:00:31 We want to say happy birthday to Jamie Lee Curtis, and yes she is in Star Trek. She appeared in section thirty one as Control, but she's best known for appearing as Laurie Strode in the Hollogeen Halloween franchise. She was also played a myriad of the characters, but I remember her playing with Arnold Schwarzenegger in True lies. She was recently in well, she's been in a lot of stuff and we're pretty much out of time. But yeah, Jamie, Lee, Curtis Happy and the guys. That wraps up our show. We squeezed it into the two hours we made it. Yeah. Yeah, Happy birthday to Eric as well. So happy birthday to Eric. And that wraps it up. So I want to say thank you so much to Victoria for hanging out and trek talking with us.

2:01:17 Thank you, Thanks for having me. You're always always welcome. There's always a seat at the trek Talking table for you, and thank you. You can't get rid of me anyway, so. No, you're stuck with us or we're all right, okay it. And thank you to Charles for hanging out in trek talking with us as well. Thank you, Charles, Thank you. And I always enjoy talking about not only track but getting a chance to talk about superheroes. A lot of fun. And thank you to Eric for hanging out and trek talking with us as well. Thank you, Eric. You beg guys, take care. And thank you to David for hanging out and making these awesome slide shows for us. Thank you, thank you, thank you David. Yeah, been a lot of fun, and I saved the best for last. Thank you so much to Paul for recommending yet another great Superman show. Thank you so much, Paul.

2:02:09 I just hope that we can all come together and help create a better world with truth and justice and a less than American way, more of a humanistic way. But yeah, really super fun to talk about this. And you know, we talk about comics and TV and all the stuff on this show, so but Superman's like as American as it gets and it's part of our history, part of our icons. So great to be able to talk about it. I would like to get together again and we can all share our thoughts on the new Superman movie, which I believe comes out tomorrow. Correct. Yeah, they they had a special early shows tonight, so people are seeing it. So yeah, it's it's it's out there, it's loose. Yeah, we definitely got to see it and talk about it on the podcast for sure. And yeah, next next week, the same Bat time, same BAT channel, we have Strange New World for two episodes will be airing, but we will be talking about those, so the following we give our fans a chance to watch it. So that's that I'm the most excellent.

2:03:08 What are we talking about next week, Uncle Jim? Next week, I thought that we would go back and do kind of a recap of Strange New world Season two to get everybody primed for season three. And Susan Lang is going to be on you guys, my I remember her from Confab. We had her on last year and she's doing her second convention and she wanted to come on and talk about that, so she'll be on with us as well. And then we'll just go back and revisit Strange New Worlds and get everybody pumped for the new season, and then we'll dive right into Strange New Worlds for the next nine weeks after that. All right, well, I'll be most excellent host, Uncle Jim. Please everybody stay safe, be good to each other. Members start Treuk fans are the best fans. Everybody stay safe and live long and prosper.

2:03:53 Good night. Everybody, live long and prospered for departure, Sir, some problem, Riker. I'm just hoping this isn't the usual way ourmissions will go, sir, Oh no, number one. I'm sure most will be. Much more interesting. Let's see what's out there. Engage yeah,