July 15, 2025

Episode 645- Superman (1978) retro review

Episode 645- Superman (1978) retro review
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In this episode of Trek Talking and Beyond - The Superman Super Show, Uncle Jim and his cohosts delve into the legacy of Superman, exploring the impact of the original films, particularly the portrayal by Christopher Reeve. They discuss the evolution of the character, the significance of the music score by John Williams, and the differences between the original and Donner cuts of the films. The conversation also includes audience polls about favorite Superman portrayals and reflections on the special effects of the time compared to modern CGI. The hosts express excitement for the upcoming Superman movie, hoping it will return to the character's hopeful roots. The conversation explores various aspects of the Superman films, including character quirks, powers, humor, and symbolism. The group discusses the limitations of Superman's abilities, the role of humor in the films, and the character's development throughout the series. They also reflect on the legacy of Superman as a cultural icon and express excitement for upcoming films, particularly in light of a new trailer. The discussion is interspersed with personal anecdotes and community celebrations, including birthday acknowledgments.
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prison Clone Wars James Holden, Tweaky, John Coney against Yankee.

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We talk about the series.

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You can join us up your phone down about the series.

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Coming to.

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Talk about the series.

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Show now, God, Eric, I just love that theme song.

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I gotta say it just it's incredible. I think it's

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great that we have John Koenig in there too, because

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if you guys missed our last podcast, it was Our

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Face nineteen ninety nine Super Show, so please go and

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check that out. We had a lot of fun revisiting

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Space nineteen ninety nine. I mean MOUs and host Uncle Jim.

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Welcome to the podcast. Today is Thursday, July tenth five,

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and this is episode one hundred and forty five our

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Superman Super Show, our second super show in a row

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Before we go too far, though, I'd like to introduce

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my awesome, awesome trucks for We'll start off with Eric.

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Eric's out in Portland. How you doing tonight, Eric, I'm.

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Doing pretty good. Jim, I'm feeling slightly out of focus,

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but otherwise ready to talk about some Superman I will

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I will say it like I I'm no like Superman

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expert at all. I feel like others on the podcast

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will do a much better job of that. But I

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have enjoyed kind of reconnecting with the whole Superman vibe.

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Over the last couple of weeks.

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I've been watching some animated stuff. I've been watching the movies.

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I'm looking forward to this show.

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It's definitely gonna be fun. Paul picks some good ones, doesn't.

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He He does?

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And speaking of Paul is also out in Portland. How

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you're doing tonight, Paul?

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Hey, friends, I'm doing all right. I'm doing okay. I'm

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excited to dive into the mythos that is the Man

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of Steel.

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Yes, absolutely going to be a lot of fun. And

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I also have with us Victoria. Victoria is out in Virginia.

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How you doing today, Victoria?

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I'm good, Yeah, I got.

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I got a renewed interest in Superman as well, and

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now I want to have a fortress of solitude of

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my own.

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You need that for sure. And we have out in

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Las Vegas. We have Charles. How you doing tonight, Charles.

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I'm doing good. A fortress of solitude would be nice

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because it'd be nice and cool.

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Mm hmm. I know some of you.

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Well, it's it's nice and dry here. At least we're

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picking at one ten and not one twenty this.

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Year so far ridiculous, cheous, and we're gonna swing all

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the way back to Portland to our very own David,

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he's our miracle worker.

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Welcome to the show, David.

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A ten second cont tell you all.

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Yeah, oh.

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Honey, where is my super suit?

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What where.

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Super that might take on the Superman franchise.

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David lost his super suit. We'll help him find it,

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will help him get his groove on. So if you

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guys did miss our Space nineteen ninety nine Super Show,

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you can go over to trek Talking dot com and

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find it there. And there's all kinds of great stuff

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over there you can find. Actually, I got to get

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a bio of Victoria put up on there. I'm sorry

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I haven't done that yet, but you can find bios

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and all my awesome treks first there all of our

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podcasts and links to our Patreon page so that you

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can help support the podcast for only two dollars. That's right,

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two dollars a month a member. Come on, it's cheaper

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than a cup of.

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Fifty cents last week? Did we have an inflation? Did

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we have like a terror terrorists?

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There's terrorists. How's going on, Jim, it's terrorists, It's right, yeah,

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but a.

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Couple of coffees like five fifty, So you're it's.

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Change in the bio, in the bio that I write

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for myself.

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Can I make stuff up?

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Or absolutely? You can say anything you want?

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Okay, Yeah, all right.

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I can't wait to read it.

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Yeah, zero gravity Victoria.

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Is hurling through space on Moon based Alpha. Okay. On

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tonight's show, we're going to be talking about Superman, the

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motion picture from nineteen seventy nine. We're going to start there.

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We're gonna kind of work our way through the mythos

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of Superman. I think we're going to talk about maybe

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some other Superman movies as well. I think we're going

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to have some polls about Superman, and we're going to

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find out where all of the Superman movies rated based from.

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Uh I think I gave that to David from Three Tomatoes.

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Right Tomatoes.

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Man, it's all the same thing.

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So while we're going to get into that and uh yeah,

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Star Trek polls tonight, who is your favorite silver Stream Superman?

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I wonder who that's gonna be, hmm, And what's your

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favorite og Superman movie. You'll have to find out what

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Star Trek actor do you share a birthday with? We'll

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find out on our Star Trek birthdays and what's going

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on around the Star Trek universe. We have a Shatner

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says what story and will he be returning to Star

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Trek m You'll have to hang around and see, Hey,

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why you're over on our Facebook page which is Trek

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Talking and beyond. You'll see at the top of the page.

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I'll live long and prosper. Just tell us where you're

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listening from. We have lots of emotion geez, because that

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gets my attention. If you see a heart next to

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your name from your truly uncle Jim, then your name

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will be featured on a future fan shout out. And

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why are there. Send us a picture of yourself at

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your favorite convention dressed up as your favorite person, and

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we will have David add that to our fan shout outs.

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So not only will your name be mentioned, your picture

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will be there as well. So, Eric, are you ready

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to dive into this week's fan shout outs?

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I one hundred percent am. We are going to head

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to the southern tip of the African continent. We're going

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to say hello to Nuno Faraz, who is saying hello

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to us this week from South Africa. Thank you so much,

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Nuno for saying hello to us and for listening to

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our podcast. We really appreciate it. In fact, we super

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appreciate it because Star Trek is a global phenomenon and

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to know that people are listening thousands of miles away

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actually means a lot to us, so thank you so much.

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We are also saying hello this week to James Charity,

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who is saying hello to us from England, our friends

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just across the pond. We have a ton of support

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over there in the UK, specifically in England and Ireland.

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Thank you so much James for saying hello to us

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this week. Hello as well to Leonora Holland Hale, who

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is hailing from Denmark, one of those most amazing Scandinavian countries, Leona,

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I thank you so much for saying hello to us

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this week, and comply to you, madam. And last but

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not least, on my list, we're saying hello this week

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to Jorge Gonzaga Filo, who's saying hello to us from

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nitore Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, and we actually surprisingly have

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a ton of support from people in Brazil this week,

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and sending a couple of different emojis, which I'm sure

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is what got Jim's attention this week. Thank you Jorge

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for saying hello to us. We say hello right back

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to you and comply to you, Sir Charles. Let's bring

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it stateside, brother.

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Wow, thank you, Eric. Let's star off for the war.

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Welcome from Tom Davidson from Ohio. How's it going, Tom?

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Welcome to Luke Best from Arkansas. I hope you too

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are staying dry. Welcome to Snockwood from Michigan. Welcome Max

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and the Rarity. Welcome Jason Hill from Tennessee, who gives

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me the livelong and prosperous sign. I don't need to

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get a lot of mojis, so thank you, Jason. The

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who's on your list?

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All right?

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First off, I have William Paul Costello from Canada, our

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wonderful neighbor to the north. Then there's Jay Stewart from Colorado.

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I've never been there. I'd like to go.

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It's a beautiful state. Then we have Sandor Boda from Florida.

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And then last but not least, Dephne Rogers from Texas. Now, Paul,

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it's on to you.

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Are you sure sure?

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I am?

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Yes? All right, good, I'm gonna go for it. Man,

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given your permission, slips all right, I'm grabbing the longitude

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with one hand and the latitude with the other. Let's see,

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I have no problem. Child is already way after five

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o'clock on the East coast, so anything could happen, and

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probably will. So first of all, let's go back to Europe,

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all right and say hello to our pal Thomas east

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Fawn in Hungary, a very interesting country that is a

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focus of a lot of attention these days, a lot

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of interesting things going on and a tremendous amount of

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fascinating history. So Tamas, it's great to hear from you.

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Thanks for showing us that there is start your enthusiasm

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all over the place. We're gonna go over to the

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one of the most mispronounced parts of the entire universe. Okay,

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a country that has its own language, its own mythology,

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the only country I can think of that has a

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big dragon emblazoned on the flag. Yes, we are talking

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about Wales in this particular instance. We're talking about North

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Wales and the district known as quin Heli to our

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friend Dave malin very non Welsh sounding name, right that

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Dave does not exactly It should be like da there

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should be like eleven continents in a row. Right, really

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sound Welsh. But you know, I just kidding Dave, because

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we love you and I can tell you've got a

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lot of your obligatory emoji shows us that you have

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a great sense of humor and well. Wales is someplace

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that I deeply admire the people in the history of

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and I wait to go visiting there at some point.

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So also a great nexus of Doctor Who fandom, I

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should point out as well, and a lot of Doctor

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Who fans on the show. So thanks for checking in,

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Dave and wishing all the best. This person I feel

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I might be related to, I'm not positive. But it's

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definitely someplace that I would just go crazy to visit,

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but I need to lose about sixty pounds first before

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even dare start eating there. But that is the beautiful

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nate gland of Italia, Italia and our friend Silvio Melli.

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Silvio Melli a lot of Space nineteen ninety nine fans

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in Italia. I wonder if Silvio is one of them. Silvio,

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all right, that's a very sopranos name, Silvio. I like

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that very much, so thanks for checking in, Silvio. Great

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to know you're out there and know that you are

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a Star Trek fan out there, deep deep in Italia.

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I wonder what province you live in. And finally for me,

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we're gonna go over to the Nordic part of the

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universe some of the more enlightened aspects of planet Earth.

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If ever aliens come here and decide to judge us.

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To please, aliens, go judge us by how life is

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conducted in the Norwegian realms, if you would, I think

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we might stand about chance of not being obliterated, if you.

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Will, because they got it going on there, typically high

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up on the happiness index and certainly very environmentally conscious

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and just generally know how to know how to practice.

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You know what I'm saying when I talk about huga.

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Do you know what I talk about?

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You?

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Yeah, they know how to do the hyuga in a

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daily life and not just during the holidays. So I'd

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like to shave a shout out to Hada Marie so

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nyom jaankivist in Sweden. Nowda Marie doesn't say where she resides,

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but she does let us know. She's got that flag

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poised flapping in the wind, proudly and delighted to be

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of Swedish descent, a phenomenal part of the world. And

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Star Trek newsflash for all of those of you who

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just climbed out from underneath the rock, Star Trek's about enlightenment, okay,

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And that's really what draws us all together is the

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sense of believing in the power of a better tomorrow.

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ever go visit Sweden. Hey, Keeddy Marie or am I right?

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I think I'm right? And with that said, let's pass

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this crazy bullhorn of opinionated nonsense over to that battles

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wheeling mad man himself, Uncle Jim.

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Well, Paul, I think you're right, and when you're right,

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damn it, you're right. And this time I'm right. So

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that's awesome. So first, we want to start off by

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saying hello and thank you to Bruce Bolan who's listening

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to us in Boston, Massa Chusas. Thank you so much. Truth,

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hello and thank you to Doug Bates who's in Northeast Texas.

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a huge fan, Mary el Silva who's listening to us

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for the pin post that says live long and prosper

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and just tell us where you're listening from. Please please

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please leave some cool emojis. I didn't get any this week,

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Fan and Jim Jim sense Victoria specifically, shout it out

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Virginia Beach. Man, I know nothing about that part of

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a whole arcade full of classic quarter games like pac

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The zoo is actually in Norfolk, but that's okay.

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Region, the Tidewater area, it's the Tidewater the Tidewater area there.

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are you guys ready for some Star Trek polls? Well, actually,

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let me correct myself some Superman poles. I think we're

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ready for some poles. So what do you say we

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get our song on? Why isn't our song coming on?

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Because it is our podcast?

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Yes, you know me like no Wind? What you thought

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about the show?

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Then we try to share your opinions with all of

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our minions out there because they listen worldwide.

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So tell us just what you think.

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Get together we will all dream canar and romulin a to.

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And that guy has a sultry voice, Jim I don't

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know what it is. There's something about something.

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He's been drinking the romulin blood wine.

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It's probably whatever true, a little bit too comfortable.

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He's been like hooked up to the auto tuner for

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eighteen hours without a break. Something going on.

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I love it through that.

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I do have perfect pitch. So you know that is

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a burden to bear.

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Can say you're a perfect did you sing you a person?

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I'm a perfect pitch.

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Perfect.

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Sorry, our audio on the show gets a travel about

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that bad.

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Come sure out and I also have perfect bitch.

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So this week, guys, because it's our Superman super show,

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just like last week was our Space nineteen ninety nine

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super show, we don't have star Tuk polls. This week,

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we do have some Superman polls. And since we're gonna

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spend a lot of the show, not all of it

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talking about Christopher Reeve and the original Superman, we're going

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to dig into some polls. So take it away, Eric,

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what's our first hole?

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So our first poll is who is your favorite silver

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screen Superman? And as we all know, there have been

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four people, right, it's the eleven yes, four people who

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have represented Superman on the silver screen. And this is

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what our poll responders had to say. Seventy six percent

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of our poor responders thought Christopher Reeve was the best,

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and of course he represented Superman from nineteen seven eight

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to nineteen eighty four. Eighteen percent of our responders said

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they like Henry Cavill, who is the twenty thirteen to

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twenty twenty three guy. Brandon Roth got three percent of

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our vote. He's the two thousand and six guy, but

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you know, he only had one movie, so it's all relative.

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And David corn Sweat from the new movie, which most

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people have not yet seen, got one percent. Dude, I'm

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totally like, I expect that this poll will seriously skew

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over the next couple of weeks. I hope it does.

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I'm not dissing Christopher Reeve at all, but I am

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super super excited about the new Superman movie. We're going

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to talk about it a little bit tonight. I was

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a little surprised that Henry Cavill only garnered eighteen percent

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of the vote, but I know people have a lot

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of like strong feelings about the way that what's his name,

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I can't even remember his name. The dude, the director, dude,

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Nack Snyder decided to portray Superman versus some of the

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other ways that he's been portrayed, particularly James Gunn the

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most recent guy, and all of our people that we're

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going to talk about from the past. So, you know,

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seventy six percent is not surprising to me, but Henry

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cam Will only get an eighteen percent was a little

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surprising to me.

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I don't know.

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Well, that's okay because we're going to talk about him

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a little bit later, yeap, And we have one more

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Superman poll before we dive into our conversation, and you

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want to take us away with that one.

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I do.

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This one is actually no surprise to me. Of the

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four original Superman movies starring Christopher Reeve as Superman, what

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is your favorite? And sixty two?

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So what is that?

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Sixty two percent right of our responders said the original

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was the best, thirty percent said Superman two was the best,

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four percent said Superman three. Who are these people?

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I think I think that was Richard answer.

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That's probably was that was Richard Pryor answer, I think,

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and Superman I don't even remember what happened in Superman four.

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The question for peace got four percent. Not knowing of

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the of the vote. So uh so me personally, I

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would put we're going to talk about this later. I

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would put my vote for Superman two, but only the

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Richard Donner cutt. We're going to talk about the details

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they're in later.

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Yes, we definitely will. And now that we've we've established

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that Christopher Reeve is the man and that Superman is

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the movie, I think it's time to dive into our conversation.

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So David roll the tape.

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My friends, I'm not given wild.

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And supported statements, and I tell you that.

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We must evacuated this planet immediately. Jorelle be reasonable.

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Once there was a civilization much like ours, but with

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a greater intelligence, greater powers, and a greater capacity for good.

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In one tragic moment, that world was destroyed, but there

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was one survivor because of the wisdom and compassion of

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jur L, because he knew the human race had the

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capacity for goodness.

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He said, as his only son, his name is Callall.

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He will call himself Clark Kent.

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But the world will know him as Superman. This year

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Superman wins you the gift of flight. Superman the movie.

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All right, guys, there it is the original trailer for Superman.

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I I the original, that's the first one people saw.

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That's the one that came up when I did my

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obviously the first one, but it's the one that.

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I love it.

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I saw that. I remember seeing this at the theater

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when it was new. And the one thing, now, okay,

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the young Uncle Jim, the young and naive uncle Jim.

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I was not. I wasn't familiar with soundtracks, composers, scores,

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that type of thing. But I will say that one

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of the things about Superman the movie that really really

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stuck in my head was that incredible music. And I

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was not aware at the time that part of the

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reason why that music was so incredible is because the

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guy that composed it is a composer that we all

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know and love pretty much. I mean every movie that

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we grew up watching, mister Jaws, mister e T. I mean,

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this guy did everything. I didn't know it at the time,

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but yeah, that that score, that uh Superman fanfare by

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it was incredible mister mister Williams himself. So that stuck

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in my head and to what what Eric was touching

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at earlier. For me personally, I think Christopher Reves played

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the best Superman because he was the embodiment of what

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Superman is supposed to be, whereas later on Superman became

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this dark, brooding, revengeful type of character and they took

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him down a path that I didn't care to go on.

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And I think Christopher Reeve played that character the way

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I felt Superman should have been. He was you know,

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he had ethics, he had morals, he had values, and uh,

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you know, he didn't beat people up and wrap their

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bucks around telephone polls because they were mean to him.

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So I'm with our minions. I thought that Christopher Reeve

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was the embodiment of Superman. And I'm so excited to

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see the new movie because from what I've seen of

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the trailers, which we're going to get into a little

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bit later, I think that James Gunn is moving back

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towards that version of Superman and moving away from the.

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Dark rootings James gun James Gunn.

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So yeah, but Paul, you want to tell us a

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little bit about the history of Superman, And I know

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this movie had its situations, so why don't you dive

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in and tell us about it?

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Okay, Well, I think it's not a controversial statement to

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say that pretty much anywhere you could go on planet Earth.

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Superman is one of those indelibly iconic characters that just

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everybody recognizes and he's like, you know, he's like Mickey Mouse. Right,

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It's just these one of those fictional characters that everybody knows, right.

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I mean he was first created as a comic book

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back in nineteen thirty eight by two guys from Cleveland

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who were breaking into the comic book business, right, And

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it's just pure fantasization, right. I mean, yeah, there's a

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lot of wish fulfillment in there. There's a little bit

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of the giving up your one son to help others

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kind of part of the myth thrown in there. But

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basically Superman is designed to become a hero for a

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world that needs it. You know, if you think about

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nineteen thirty eight, the world is kind of in a

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bit of a mess, right, and Superman represented hope right

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in the comics. It was a wildly popped of a comic,

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the first one that ever came out. It was a comic.

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I'm sure people have seen the cover from Action Comics,

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right nineteen thirty eight, and there was first issue number one,

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and here's this guy wearing his underwear on top of

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outside of his clothes and a cape. Right, But he

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just captured the imagination of everybody because people needed hope

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at nineteen thirty eight, right, they really did, and a

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Superman represented mankind at his finest. Right, he is appeals

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to all of us too, because he's the outsider, right,

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Like he's like the way Spock was appealing. Right, he's

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not one of everyone, and he's been cast out. You know,

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it's not a controversial statement like some people are trying

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to make it out to be that. In a way,

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Superman's a refugee. Right. His world has been destroyed and

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he's cast out, and he's left here to try to

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make a new place for himself. If that's controversial for

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you and you have difficulties seeing the parallels, you know,

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we should probably go have a couple of beers and

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talk it through.

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Right.

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But he is he's a man without a home's trying

477
00:29:51.000 --> 00:29:54.119
to make a new home. That's who Superman is. And

478
00:29:54.160 --> 00:30:01.920
he represents courage, humanity, decency, responsibility, ethics, steadfastness, all the

479
00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:05.319
things that Uncle Jim was talking about. And he represents

480
00:30:05.359 --> 00:30:07.200
our longing for a better future.

481
00:30:08.279 --> 00:30:08.480
Right.

482
00:30:08.559 --> 00:30:13.240
He uses his powers for good, right, and and for me,

483
00:30:13.440 --> 00:30:17.720
and I was lucky enough to like Jim when that

484
00:30:18.000 --> 00:30:20.759
picture first came out, I saw on the biggest screen possible.

485
00:30:21.079 --> 00:30:25.039
And I'm still a Superman fan to this day. Christopher Reeve,

486
00:30:25.279 --> 00:30:27.319
you know, I think leads the pomp for me as

487
00:30:27.400 --> 00:30:32.119
far as Superman goes. But I'm super hopeful for the

488
00:30:32.160 --> 00:30:35.000
new one coming up in particularly given you know that

489
00:30:35.119 --> 00:30:38.720
Jim Guns involved. I mean, he's just terrific and really

490
00:30:38.720 --> 00:30:41.119
hearing good things about this new actor as well, So

491
00:30:41.160 --> 00:30:43.079
I'm really hopeful. But it's just it's one of those

492
00:30:43.119 --> 00:30:45.359
things that it's interesting because it's like it's like when

493
00:30:45.440 --> 00:30:47.799
you have a character that becomes so popular over time,

494
00:30:47.839 --> 00:30:50.559
it's like, you know, Hamlet right in a way, Right,

495
00:30:50.680 --> 00:30:54.839
it's other actors play the role and bring their interpretation

496
00:30:54.960 --> 00:30:57.160
to it, and it's colored by the times that the

497
00:30:57.160 --> 00:31:00.200
film's were made, right. I Mean, it's just you know,

498
00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:02.519
the Superman with Christopher Reeves made at the end of

499
00:31:02.519 --> 00:31:05.519
the seventies, right seventies, you know, coming off with very

500
00:31:05.559 --> 00:31:08.640
cynical time, right, I Mean, we had Watergate, we had

501
00:31:08.640 --> 00:31:11.200
a lot of corruption, we had a lot of environmental

502
00:31:11.200 --> 00:31:15.400
malaise going on, and as we were at the threshold

503
00:31:15.440 --> 00:31:18.799
of a new decade in the eighties. Superman brought home

504
00:31:19.000 --> 00:31:21.960
right and it was very It really resonated with people,

505
00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:24.680
and we're kind of similar place right now. I think

506
00:31:24.720 --> 00:31:29.519
that the goodness inherent Superman. I believe people are really

507
00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:33.240
ready to welcome that right now. So I'm very excited

508
00:31:33.279 --> 00:31:37.480
for it. It's you know, some images are just etched in

509
00:31:37.559 --> 00:31:41.680
your consciousness forever. And that first scene, not the one

510
00:31:41.720 --> 00:31:43.480
from the trailer we just saw, but the very first

511
00:31:43.519 --> 00:31:49.319
scene on Planet Krypton where you see Superman's father Joel

512
00:31:49.960 --> 00:31:54.559
banishing the villains into the phantom zone in this trial.

513
00:31:54.400 --> 00:31:55.960
I was just wrapped.

514
00:31:56.000 --> 00:31:58.640
It was incredible. To see that on a giant, seventy

515
00:31:58.680 --> 00:32:02.400
millimeter screen was just dumbfounding. It was incredible, and I

516
00:32:02.480 --> 00:32:04.400
was just like, this is like the great you know.

517
00:32:04.799 --> 00:32:07.039
I think it was the biggest movie we've seen since

518
00:32:07.079 --> 00:32:09.480
Star Wars at that point, right it was a couple

519
00:32:09.519 --> 00:32:11.400
of years after Star Wars, and it was just like, Okay,

520
00:32:11.440 --> 00:32:14.839
we're in an era of new kinds of films and big.

521
00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:18.519
It was the really first big superhero blockbuster, right before

522
00:32:18.519 --> 00:32:22.079
Michael Keaton Batman, before anything, and it kind of set

523
00:32:22.119 --> 00:32:24.319
the tone and it was amazing. And then we got

524
00:32:24.359 --> 00:32:26.960
Superman Too a couple of years later, all of the

525
00:32:27.000 --> 00:32:28.920
seeds of which were planted in the first one, and

526
00:32:28.960 --> 00:32:32.160
it was also wildly entertaining and super super fun. So

527
00:32:32.200 --> 00:32:34.799
we'll talk about all that, but I'm just super excited

528
00:32:34.839 --> 00:32:38.359
about a chance to revisit some of these things. The

529
00:32:38.440 --> 00:32:43.559
Christopher Reeve thing is iconic, it really is, and it's

530
00:32:43.839 --> 00:32:48.319
fun to talk about the different ages that the film

531
00:32:48.559 --> 00:32:50.559
belongs to. So and I think we're really ready for

532
00:32:50.599 --> 00:32:53.079
a new Superman. And in this new age, I know

533
00:32:53.160 --> 00:32:55.759
I'm ready for somebody to be the beacon of So

534
00:32:55.839 --> 00:32:59.519
bring it on, James Gunn ready Superman.

535
00:33:00.039 --> 00:33:02.920
People that don't know. Richard Donner was hired to direct

536
00:33:02.920 --> 00:33:07.680
Superman one and two. He did them back to back. Unfortunately,

537
00:33:07.960 --> 00:33:11.200
I believe they got rid of him. But a little

538
00:33:11.240 --> 00:33:16.000
more than halfway through Superman twosh, it's not like about.

539
00:33:15.880 --> 00:33:19.640
Like seventy five percent of the thing, right, and Alexander

540
00:33:19.680 --> 00:33:22.599
salkind basically they got into some arguments and Richard Donner,

541
00:33:22.680 --> 00:33:24.119
let's not forget this is the guy who did the

542
00:33:24.119 --> 00:33:27.880
omen right, So no slouch, I mean, phenomenal filmmaker, right,

543
00:33:28.039 --> 00:33:30.920
really amazing, but you know, they were also at a

544
00:33:30.920 --> 00:33:33.599
point where they weren't you know, they were still trying

545
00:33:33.640 --> 00:33:35.960
to get ready to make the first film ready to release,

546
00:33:36.039 --> 00:33:38.039
and they were like not, they were worried they weren't

547
00:33:38.039 --> 00:33:40.400
going to make their opening date, right, which I think

548
00:33:40.519 --> 00:33:43.200
was like a Christmas holiday picture if I remember directly.

549
00:33:44.279 --> 00:33:46.559
But but yeah, so they basically kind of put this

550
00:33:46.640 --> 00:33:50.440
kids on. They fired Donner and they brought in Richard Lester,

551
00:33:50.599 --> 00:33:54.480
who had like the Three Musketeers and stuff like that,

552
00:33:54.519 --> 00:33:57.279
and he was basically, you know, kind of cleaning up

553
00:33:57.319 --> 00:34:00.599
the workshop just to get everything ready. But Donner got

554
00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:02.440
to come back later and put his own cut back together,

555
00:34:02.480 --> 00:34:03.279
which is kind of cool.

556
00:34:03.720 --> 00:34:06.279
Yeah, so there is a there are two versions of Superman,

557
00:34:06.319 --> 00:34:08.760
the theatrical cut and the Donner cut, which came out

558
00:34:08.760 --> 00:34:12.239
in two thousand and six. Superman the Movie, though, has

559
00:34:12.519 --> 00:34:17.199
not one, not two, but three, the original theatrical cut,

560
00:34:17.639 --> 00:34:21.880
the extended three hour TV cut, and then there's another

561
00:34:22.920 --> 00:34:28.039
dinner version of that which incorporates some of both versions

562
00:34:28.039 --> 00:34:32.159
into it. There's three versions of Star of Superman the Movie,

563
00:34:32.480 --> 00:34:35.719
and there's also two versions of Superman two. Just to

564
00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:40.119
get that out there. So, Eric, did you get a

565
00:34:40.199 --> 00:34:44.480
chance to watch Superman one and two and if you did, well,

566
00:34:44.599 --> 00:34:46.000
I know you did. What did you think?

567
00:34:46.800 --> 00:34:54.480
Yeah? Yeah, so okay. So my experience prior to us

568
00:34:54.599 --> 00:34:59.679
deciding to do this show was basically Sunday afternoon t

569
00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:04.840
the like rerun style Superman, and what I came to

570
00:35:04.920 --> 00:35:09.000
realize was that I actually had no idea which movie

571
00:35:09.639 --> 00:35:14.039
I was watching as a kid. I think that I've

572
00:35:14.119 --> 00:35:17.679
learned that I've seen parts of Superman and parts of

573
00:35:17.719 --> 00:35:22.679
Superman two up until this point. So the two movies

574
00:35:22.760 --> 00:35:27.320
that I watched to prepare for this podcast were Superman

575
00:35:27.920 --> 00:35:32.440
the original movie, the extended cut, which was on sale

576
00:35:32.639 --> 00:35:35.719
on Amazon for five bucks, so I bought that one,

577
00:35:36.199 --> 00:35:41.679
and I understand that one had like extra scenes added.

578
00:35:42.519 --> 00:35:46.639
It had the ending, which was the time travel rewind thing,

579
00:35:47.480 --> 00:35:50.559
which also then happens at the end of the second one.

580
00:35:51.000 --> 00:35:54.800
And then I saw Superman to the Richard Donner cut,

581
00:35:55.119 --> 00:36:01.960
which I understand has significant differences from the original theatrical

582
00:36:02.159 --> 00:36:05.320
cut of the movie. So I will say that I

583
00:36:05.320 --> 00:36:11.280
haven't seen the theatrical cut, probably as a whole thing. Ever,

584
00:36:11.599 --> 00:36:14.800
maybe or maybe as a kid I saw it or something.

585
00:36:14.880 --> 00:36:18.559
I don't even know, but I did see the theatrical

586
00:36:18.679 --> 00:36:21.280
or excuse me, the Richard Donner cut of Superman two.

587
00:36:22.159 --> 00:36:31.960
So here's what I'll say, two super cool movies. The

588
00:36:32.679 --> 00:36:36.440
extended cut had some interesting things, Like it was it

589
00:36:36.480 --> 00:36:40.960
was two and a half hours long. My understanding is

590
00:36:41.000 --> 00:36:43.519
that the original was like a little bit shorter and

591
00:36:43.639 --> 00:36:47.679
the TV version was like three hours. So I probably

592
00:36:47.679 --> 00:36:50.159
saw the TV version when I was a kid. But

593
00:36:50.519 --> 00:36:55.119
like in chopped bits, right, I feel like if you

594
00:36:55.159 --> 00:36:57.440
grew up in the seventies, you sort of grew up

595
00:36:57.440 --> 00:37:04.079
with this like concept that Superman had some movies, but

596
00:37:04.960 --> 00:37:08.320
that you may not have seen it from start to finish,

597
00:37:08.360 --> 00:37:10.440
that you may have seen it in bits and pieces

598
00:37:10.559 --> 00:37:12.440
as it was shown on TV. Because I feel like

599
00:37:12.480 --> 00:37:16.320
it was shown on TV every few months. It was

600
00:37:16.440 --> 00:37:20.679
just it was like all over the place. So I

601
00:37:20.719 --> 00:37:26.119
saw the one with the extended scenes. I understand it

602
00:37:26.159 --> 00:37:33.519
had some like different music involved in it. Let's see

603
00:37:33.840 --> 00:37:41.000
what else I have notes here? The Okay, so the

604
00:37:41.039 --> 00:37:44.880
original movie, so just like one versus two, because I

605
00:37:44.920 --> 00:37:47.320
haven't seen three and four in a very long time,

606
00:37:47.519 --> 00:37:50.119
so I'll I'll just talk about Superman one and two.

607
00:37:52.239 --> 00:37:57.280
Superman one, I didn't remember most of what happened in

608
00:37:57.320 --> 00:38:00.440
the movie. I feel like I remember the beginning part

609
00:38:00.559 --> 00:38:05.920
with the the Kryptonians, but then that also happens at

610
00:38:05.920 --> 00:38:10.000
the beginning of two, so maybe I remember two happening.

611
00:38:10.519 --> 00:38:16.320
But but there's this exiling of the Kryptonians at the

612
00:38:16.360 --> 00:38:22.039
beginning of both movies, and to me, that's significant. I

613
00:38:22.119 --> 00:38:27.360
understand that the Donner cut of Superman two has that,

614
00:38:27.679 --> 00:38:32.159
and that the Donner cut takes a little bit more

615
00:38:32.239 --> 00:38:37.000
time on that part of it. So to me, that's

616
00:38:37.079 --> 00:38:40.880
the most interesting part of these two movies is the Kryptonians.

617
00:38:41.000 --> 00:38:46.159
The fact that you know, there's the Yellow Sun, that

618
00:38:46.159 --> 00:38:52.480
that that people, or that these characters are fueled by that.

619
00:38:52.559 --> 00:38:55.199
The red Sun they have no powers, but the Yellow

620
00:38:55.239 --> 00:39:00.840
Sun they have powers, So they are a much more

621
00:39:00.960 --> 00:39:05.719
compelling enemy for me, or like, uh, you know, foil

622
00:39:05.960 --> 00:39:11.960
for Superman Van Lex Luthor is in both of these movies,

623
00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:16.400
Superman one and Superman two. I find Gene Hackman Superman

624
00:39:16.760 --> 00:39:21.760
or Superman Gene Hackman's Lex Luthor too, yeah to be

625
00:39:21.880 --> 00:39:25.719
a little bit just kind of cheesy. I don't know,

626
00:39:25.800 --> 00:39:30.000
he's he's like, he's supposed to be some super criminal

627
00:39:30.079 --> 00:39:32.760
or something, but all he does is spend two movies

628
00:39:32.800 --> 00:39:35.639
talking about how awesome he is, and he never really

629
00:39:35.719 --> 00:39:41.079
shows it. So, uh, you know, Gene Hackman does like

630
00:39:41.159 --> 00:39:44.559
what he could do with the scripts that he was given,

631
00:39:44.639 --> 00:39:48.199
but his character is pretty weak in both movies.

632
00:39:48.559 --> 00:39:52.519
I feel it's like a Saturday morning kids show. Yeah,

633
00:39:52.880 --> 00:39:55.800
he really is, with this flamboyant.

634
00:39:55.280 --> 00:40:00.320
Clothes and his like daisy boot neear and he's you know, totally.

635
00:40:00.360 --> 00:40:03.079
Furly haired wig over his baldness. He's not the lex

636
00:40:03.159 --> 00:40:05.119
Luthor of the comics at all, really not.

637
00:40:05.119 --> 00:40:07.239
At all, not at all, And I have so at

638
00:40:07.239 --> 00:40:09.760
this point, I've read I've spent the last year sort

639
00:40:09.800 --> 00:40:12.360
of catching up on a lot of Superman comics, and

640
00:40:12.400 --> 00:40:15.360
the lex Luthor of the comics is is like a

641
00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:19.239
real foil to Superman, Like he is super intelligent and

642
00:40:19.280 --> 00:40:22.360
he comes up with interesting ways to defeat Superman, and

643
00:40:22.400 --> 00:40:26.239
he has knowledge of technology and all of this cool stuff.

644
00:40:26.559 --> 00:40:28.800
The one in the movies, in the first two movies

645
00:40:28.880 --> 00:40:33.840
is just really kind of like the nineteen seventies standard

646
00:40:34.119 --> 00:40:36.519
cheesy sort of villain kind of guy.

647
00:40:36.599 --> 00:40:39.599
So I could be the bad guy in an Elmo movie. Yeah,

648
00:40:41.199 --> 00:40:45.039
that's yeah, kind of like you know, that's that's sort

649
00:40:45.039 --> 00:40:46.760
of way you would see it, right, He's just and

650
00:40:46.760 --> 00:40:49.280
and Ned Batty is just a sidekick. It's just like

651
00:40:49.360 --> 00:40:51.679
he's it is kind of like like you know, like

652
00:40:51.719 --> 00:40:56.159
pee yah. Yeah, it's just like you know a lot

653
00:40:56.199 --> 00:40:58.800
of mugging, right, I mean, which is you know, kind

654
00:40:58.800 --> 00:41:02.119
of like death for drama, right, and then you get like,

655
00:41:02.679 --> 00:41:04.639
you know, then when you get cut over into like,

656
00:41:04.719 --> 00:41:08.400
you know, Terrence Stamp, he's like a whole other level, man.

657
00:41:08.519 --> 00:41:10.079
I mean, that's Terrence freaking Stamp.

658
00:41:10.199 --> 00:41:10.360
You know.

659
00:41:10.400 --> 00:41:12.079
It was General Zodd's Yeah.

660
00:41:11.960 --> 00:41:15.000
No, totally. So so I'll get into General Zod here

661
00:41:15.039 --> 00:41:20.000
in a minute. So, like relative to Luther and and

662
00:41:20.159 --> 00:41:24.079
Otis and all that sort of like initial villainry, uh,

663
00:41:24.519 --> 00:41:27.920
just cheesy and like I don't really resonate with those

664
00:41:28.159 --> 00:41:33.920
villains at all. Let's talk about Zod, okay. I like, okay,

665
00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:37.400
So when Superman originally came out, I was like five

666
00:41:37.559 --> 00:41:40.679
six years old, so I didn't see it right away.

667
00:41:40.880 --> 00:41:45.559
I saw it on the Sunday afternoon replays of it

668
00:41:45.679 --> 00:41:48.719
throughout the eighties and that kind of thing, so I

669
00:41:48.760 --> 00:41:53.000
didn't really have a context for understanding what sort of

670
00:41:53.119 --> 00:41:55.840
villain Zod was. I was like, oh cool, there's this

671
00:41:55.880 --> 00:41:59.079
guy who has the same powers as Superman and stuff.

672
00:41:59.320 --> 00:42:03.079
But upon rewatching of these two movies, I will say

673
00:42:04.000 --> 00:42:09.480
that I think Zod is a really really cool villain. Like,

674
00:42:10.320 --> 00:42:13.440
not only does he have the same powers with his

675
00:42:13.559 --> 00:42:16.960
cronies as Superman, and you're like, oh, crap, there's three

676
00:42:16.960 --> 00:42:20.039
of them versus one of them, Like I'm gonna like,

677
00:42:20.599 --> 00:42:25.119
there's no way Superman can possibly defeat them. But also

678
00:42:25.280 --> 00:42:32.440
his like nonchalantness is that a word throughout both movies,

679
00:42:32.760 --> 00:42:37.079
where he just kind of seems uninterested in what's going

680
00:42:37.159 --> 00:42:40.639
on around him, and yet he is totally kicking by

681
00:42:40.880 --> 00:42:43.880
so particularly in Superman two, right, this is when this

682
00:42:43.960 --> 00:42:48.039
kind of like takes takes root and they escape the

683
00:42:48.039 --> 00:42:51.599
Phantom Zone. They come back, they're like, oh, we're on

684
00:42:51.639 --> 00:42:54.679
the planet of Houston. No, we're actually on the planet

685
00:42:54.719 --> 00:43:00.000
of Earth. There's the one scene where he like first

686
00:43:00.199 --> 00:43:03.480
gets on the television for the first time, and he

687
00:43:03.599 --> 00:43:05.480
kind of has this moment where he sort of looks

688
00:43:05.480 --> 00:43:10.480
at himself on the TV. One of my favorite moments

689
00:43:10.559 --> 00:43:13.840
of both Superman movies, honestly is when Zod is like

690
00:43:13.960 --> 00:43:17.239
checking himself out on the TV. I just I think

691
00:43:17.280 --> 00:43:22.320
that's so what a person who's literally fueled by vanity

692
00:43:22.440 --> 00:43:31.280
would do and he has this kind of revenge thing.

693
00:43:31.400 --> 00:43:35.519
So so I feel like I'm bouncing around, But let

694
00:43:35.519 --> 00:43:40.800
me go back. So Superman, generally speaking, is a character

695
00:43:41.000 --> 00:43:46.199
who whose awesomeness is fueled by the fact that he's

696
00:43:46.199 --> 00:43:50.000
stronger than anybody, that he's faster than anybody, that he's

697
00:43:50.039 --> 00:43:53.800
bigger than anybody. So it has this really kind of

698
00:43:54.039 --> 00:43:58.880
and I'm going to say it, testosterone filled Jenese quad

699
00:43:58.960 --> 00:44:02.239
to him, right, he's like, I will kick your butt

700
00:44:02.360 --> 00:44:09.159
no matter what is going on. That is, you know,

701
00:44:09.320 --> 00:44:13.960
interesting to a certain level. The thing that really lends

702
00:44:14.119 --> 00:44:17.360
depth to Superman's character is that he does it for

703
00:44:17.480 --> 00:44:20.119
good and that he actually cares about people, and that

704
00:44:20.199 --> 00:44:24.039
he actually decides that he's going to use those powers

705
00:44:24.039 --> 00:44:30.199
for good. So somebody who uses a self fulfilling prophecy

706
00:44:30.480 --> 00:44:32.559
of I'm the best and I'm going to do the

707
00:44:32.599 --> 00:44:34.159
best and I'm going to do it all for me

708
00:44:34.519 --> 00:44:37.519
is less interesting than a character who does it for

709
00:44:37.599 --> 00:44:40.559
other people and for me. One of the most interesting

710
00:44:40.639 --> 00:44:43.280
parts of both of these movies, I think it's in

711
00:44:43.400 --> 00:44:45.960
Superman two because I sort of got them even though

712
00:44:45.960 --> 00:44:48.159
I just watched him. I sort of got him mixed up.

713
00:44:48.159 --> 00:44:51.360
But like, the Donner cut of Superman two has a

714
00:44:51.360 --> 00:44:55.639
lot more of Drell in it, his actual father, like

715
00:44:55.679 --> 00:44:59.320
the Marlon Brando character, which I understand wasn't actually part

716
00:44:59.360 --> 00:45:02.480
of the theat or release of Superman because they didn't

717
00:45:02.480 --> 00:45:05.440
want to pay him for that character. But the Donner

718
00:45:05.519 --> 00:45:12.519
cut has has this moment where Jarrell's talking to him

719
00:45:12.559 --> 00:45:17.840
about like why he should be a good person and

720
00:45:17.880 --> 00:45:21.320
why he should do the things and and I just

721
00:45:21.880 --> 00:45:25.440
like that, that to me is super duper interesting. In

722
00:45:25.480 --> 00:45:28.239
the comics. One of my favorite Superman comics is the

723
00:45:28.400 --> 00:45:31.400
Injustice series. I don't know if you've read that or not,

724
00:45:31.440 --> 00:45:34.960
maybe Paul has, but like it's the one where Superman

725
00:45:35.119 --> 00:45:38.599
sort of is like, you know what, the world is fucked,

726
00:45:40.159 --> 00:45:42.880
I should just use my powers to do all of

727
00:45:42.920 --> 00:45:47.320
the things that make the world better. And to me,

728
00:45:47.599 --> 00:45:53.480
that's the that's the most interesting thing that you can

729
00:45:53.559 --> 00:45:58.360
possibly explore with a character who has unlimited power. What

730
00:45:58.440 --> 00:46:02.079
would I do with this power? How would I help people?

731
00:46:02.719 --> 00:46:06.079
Why would I help people? Why wouldn't I just take

732
00:46:06.239 --> 00:46:09.519
over and make things the way that they look in

733
00:46:09.639 --> 00:46:16.760
my mind? Yeah, So anyway, I'm exploring a little bit

734
00:46:16.800 --> 00:46:20.320
outside of the movies right now, but in terms of

735
00:46:20.360 --> 00:46:25.159
the Christopher Reeve movies, let me go back. I really

736
00:46:25.239 --> 00:46:30.920
like the second movie, in particular the Donner cut, because

737
00:46:30.920 --> 00:46:34.800
I feel like it does a really good job of

738
00:46:35.840 --> 00:46:40.239
taking that character and exploring him in that regard. You know,

739
00:46:40.280 --> 00:46:43.800
he loses his powers, right, He decides to lose his

740
00:46:43.960 --> 00:46:47.639
powers because of the love of a person, which I

741
00:46:47.639 --> 00:46:50.400
think is kind of a classic trope.

742
00:46:51.039 --> 00:46:54.920
And yet.

743
00:46:54.760 --> 00:46:57.159
It's not unlike Star Trek right, the needs of the

744
00:46:57.199 --> 00:46:59.880
many outweigh the needs of the few or the one.

745
00:47:00.599 --> 00:47:03.639
And yet Kirk says the needs of the one can

746
00:47:03.679 --> 00:47:06.320
sometimes outweigh the needs of the many, and so in

747
00:47:06.360 --> 00:47:10.800
this case, Superman decides to make a decision that outweighs

748
00:47:10.840 --> 00:47:13.880
the needs of the many. He decides for himself. There's

749
00:47:13.920 --> 00:47:16.400
a great scene in the Donner cut of Superman two

750
00:47:16.400 --> 00:47:20.159
where he's talking to Durrell about, you know, why wouldn't

751
00:47:20.199 --> 00:47:23.079
I do things for myself? Why when is it enough

752
00:47:23.760 --> 00:47:26.840
that I have helped these people to a certain degree,

753
00:47:26.920 --> 00:47:30.760
When do I get my own payoff? I think anybody

754
00:47:30.760 --> 00:47:33.559
who has godlike powers is going to go through that

755
00:47:33.679 --> 00:47:40.440
thought process. So so yeah, I haven't put together a

756
00:47:40.480 --> 00:47:46.079
totally cohesive thing here, But I feel like the extended

757
00:47:46.079 --> 00:47:49.440
cut of the original Superman has some awesome scenes that

758
00:47:49.480 --> 00:47:53.559
are not included the original, and yet Lex is still

759
00:47:53.679 --> 00:47:59.280
kind of a cheesy villain missiles and whatnot. The second movie,

760
00:47:59.320 --> 00:48:02.920
Superman two, is the Donner cut is my personal favorite

761
00:48:02.920 --> 00:48:05.800
of these two. I think it has some really deep

762
00:48:05.800 --> 00:48:10.719
stuff going on that I rewatched the original two, and

763
00:48:10.760 --> 00:48:15.280
the original is just like comedy and it's like cheesy

764
00:48:15.440 --> 00:48:20.239
compared to the Donner cut for me, So I feel

765
00:48:20.239 --> 00:48:21.880
like I should give up the mic at this point.

766
00:48:21.920 --> 00:48:30.360
But I did enjoy rekind of exploring these movies somebody

767
00:48:30.400 --> 00:48:32.800
who wasn't old enough to see them when they first

768
00:48:32.840 --> 00:48:37.280
came out, but like saw them on Sunday afternoons over time,

769
00:48:38.719 --> 00:48:44.920
and have come to appreciate the kind of reworking of Superman,

770
00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:48.119
particularly in Superman two back in the early two thousands,

771
00:48:49.639 --> 00:48:52.079
which I think is consistent with maybe more of the

772
00:48:52.119 --> 00:48:53.880
Superman that we're going to get in this new movie.

773
00:48:53.960 --> 00:48:56.440
And I'm I'm just really excited about this new movie

774
00:48:56.440 --> 00:48:59.800
because when you take the idea of a being of

775
00:49:00.119 --> 00:49:06.440
unlimited power and you translate it to I'm not going

776
00:49:06.480 --> 00:49:09.519
to use this power, or you know, it's not just

777
00:49:09.559 --> 00:49:11.719
I'm going to use this power for good. It's that

778
00:49:12.440 --> 00:49:16.280
maybe I need to take a step back and let

779
00:49:16.360 --> 00:49:22.599
others take the mic at this point. That to me,

780
00:49:22.760 --> 00:49:27.639
is the way to propel our society forward. So anyway,

781
00:49:28.719 --> 00:49:29.280
all right.

782
00:49:29.519 --> 00:49:33.199
Yeah, what did you think about the practical special effects

783
00:49:33.360 --> 00:49:37.400
from the seventies and eighties versus all this digital CGI

784
00:49:37.599 --> 00:49:42.800
stuff that we're getting into now. Personally, I really believed

785
00:49:42.840 --> 00:49:44.719
that a man could fly. When I was sitting in

786
00:49:44.760 --> 00:49:49.320
a theater watching Superman. I was blown away that of

787
00:49:49.440 --> 00:49:53.639
the things he was doing battling the three bad guys.

788
00:49:54.320 --> 00:49:58.519
To me, as a kid, it was completely just awesome.

789
00:49:59.000 --> 00:50:02.199
Today would blow that movie away with all the CGI

790
00:50:02.360 --> 00:50:05.679
that they could do. It didn't bother me. Even when

791
00:50:05.719 --> 00:50:09.079
I went back and watched it now, I thought it

792
00:50:09.719 --> 00:50:12.480
was still great to me. I don't think it needs

793
00:50:12.519 --> 00:50:15.840
all that digital CGI to uphold the story.

794
00:50:17.000 --> 00:50:19.199
Yeah, I mean, I think I'm kind of in the

795
00:50:19.239 --> 00:50:23.559
same boat as you, Jim. I would rather have a

796
00:50:23.599 --> 00:50:27.599
good story, a well written script, that sort of stuff

797
00:50:28.000 --> 00:50:32.320
than amazing CGI. I will tell you that. When I

798
00:50:32.440 --> 00:50:34.440
watched the trailer, which I think we're going to watch

799
00:50:34.440 --> 00:50:37.639
in a little bit, here for the new movie. There

800
00:50:37.679 --> 00:50:40.039
are certain scenes that happen, like the one where he's

801
00:50:40.079 --> 00:50:42.599
spinning in a circle with his heat vision and he's

802
00:50:42.679 --> 00:50:45.800
killing a whole bunch of things around him, or you know,

803
00:50:46.239 --> 00:50:50.880
other moments that we couldn't achieve technologically back in the seventies.

804
00:50:51.360 --> 00:50:53.639
I do get excited because I'm like, oh, yeah, that's

805
00:50:53.719 --> 00:50:56.440
more like the comics, man, Because when you read a comic,

806
00:50:57.480 --> 00:51:01.800
you have these still images that cur and you sort

807
00:51:01.800 --> 00:51:04.320
of make up what's happening in your head. I think

808
00:51:04.360 --> 00:51:06.840
that's the magic of comics is it uses a lot

809
00:51:06.880 --> 00:51:09.599
more imagination, It uses a lot more of your own

810
00:51:09.800 --> 00:51:14.400
creative process to make the story happen, whereas in the

811
00:51:14.480 --> 00:51:17.960
movies you're sort of beholden to the way that some

812
00:51:18.119 --> 00:51:22.000
director decided that it was going to look, or it

813
00:51:22.039 --> 00:51:23.800
was going to happen, or it was going to be acted,

814
00:51:23.920 --> 00:51:28.000
or that kind of thing. So we haven't talked about

815
00:51:28.000 --> 00:51:31.039
the Henry Cavill stuff yet, but to me, Henry Cavill

816
00:51:31.079 --> 00:51:33.360
falls in that like middle zone where it's like the

817
00:51:33.480 --> 00:51:36.360
technology is such that you can make it totally awesome,

818
00:51:37.000 --> 00:51:41.159
and yet without a really really good script, the movie

819
00:51:41.199 --> 00:51:44.559
falls just just a little bit flat.

820
00:51:44.760 --> 00:51:44.960
Right.

821
00:51:46.239 --> 00:51:50.440
So to me, good writing will always outweigh good technology.

822
00:51:50.960 --> 00:51:54.159
It doesn't bother me one bit to watch nineteen seventy eight.

823
00:51:54.239 --> 00:51:56.599
He's flying through the air and you can tell that

824
00:51:56.639 --> 00:51:59.440
he's sort of paste it over a skuy. That doesn't

825
00:51:59.440 --> 00:52:01.239
bother me, It really doesn't.

826
00:52:03.039 --> 00:52:05.840
Well, why don't we turn the microphone over to Victoria

827
00:52:06.159 --> 00:52:08.639
and see what she has to say about Christopher Reeves

828
00:52:08.719 --> 00:52:09.480
and Superman.

829
00:52:09.760 --> 00:52:14.880
Oh well, because I don't remember. I don't remember seeing

830
00:52:14.920 --> 00:52:18.480
the movie in the theaters, but i'd seen bits and

831
00:52:18.559 --> 00:52:23.039
pieces of it, like Eric said on TV, and uh oh,

832
00:52:23.119 --> 00:52:25.719
before I forget, I did a lot of I was,

833
00:52:25.880 --> 00:52:30.199
you know, delving into YouTube and you know the facts

834
00:52:30.239 --> 00:52:33.760
you never knew about Superman, but I came across and

835
00:52:33.800 --> 00:52:37.039
you can look it up. Christopher Reeve was on Saturday

836
00:52:37.119 --> 00:52:39.880
Night Live, like all the you know, stars do, and

837
00:52:39.920 --> 00:52:45.559
there's this hilarious little scene where he's trying out he's

838
00:52:45.599 --> 00:52:49.719
auditioning for Superman, and I forget who the other guy was,

839
00:52:49.760 --> 00:52:54.280
but Christopher Reeve totally sucks at it. But it's just

840
00:52:54.400 --> 00:52:57.199
it's it's funny, and he's poking fun at himself. But

841
00:52:57.840 --> 00:53:00.320
I like the fact that here's this young man that

842
00:53:01.199 --> 00:53:06.880
you know, nobody really knew and he is basically coming

843
00:53:06.880 --> 00:53:11.119
into the role of a lifetime and just the dedication

844
00:53:11.440 --> 00:53:14.119
that he put into it because he was kind of scrawny,

845
00:53:14.679 --> 00:53:16.159
tall that scrawny.

846
00:53:16.320 --> 00:53:20.880
And as I was saying with.

847
00:53:20.519 --> 00:53:25.679
Charles earlier, he did bodybuilding and the man that helped

848
00:53:25.719 --> 00:53:29.880
him was Dave Prowse, who was they wore the was

849
00:53:30.440 --> 00:53:36.360
Darth Vader because he was a bodybuilder too, And just

850
00:53:36.400 --> 00:53:41.760
the dedication and then also, yeah, the effects were amazing

851
00:53:41.840 --> 00:53:46.000
for the time. Apparently they spent like two hundred thousand

852
00:53:46.079 --> 00:53:49.840
dollars alone just on the opening credits where those letters

853
00:53:49.880 --> 00:53:54.199
are kind of swooshing towards you, because they were doing

854
00:53:54.239 --> 00:53:59.320
that all by hand, so to speak. And then because

855
00:53:59.320 --> 00:54:01.400
I like, I like the behind the scenes workings and

856
00:54:01.719 --> 00:54:06.760
the thing with Superman flying, that took a lot of

857
00:54:08.079 --> 00:54:12.679
ingenuity too, because Christopher Reeve had to be in this harness,

858
00:54:13.239 --> 00:54:17.079
which is not comfortable and it's probably pinching the you know,

859
00:54:17.159 --> 00:54:20.320
the naughty bits and everything. But he had to be

860
00:54:20.400 --> 00:54:23.880
in that harness for hours at a time. But what

861
00:54:23.920 --> 00:54:26.039
they liked about him he just didn't you know, he

862
00:54:26.320 --> 00:54:29.079
just wasn't you have his arms and legs out and

863
00:54:29.239 --> 00:54:32.960
looking like he's flying. He actually did his hands differently

864
00:54:33.039 --> 00:54:37.039
and he's like moving his body and that really added

865
00:54:37.079 --> 00:54:42.480
to it. And it was interesting on some of the

866
00:54:43.280 --> 00:54:49.760
comments on these YouTube channels about the movie, and it's

867
00:54:49.800 --> 00:54:53.559
like how they're people who obviously have new knowledge of

868
00:54:53.599 --> 00:54:56.719
film history. They were trashing Marlon Brando. Yes, I know

869
00:54:56.800 --> 00:55:01.519
he was hard to work with, but still he's Brando, and.

870
00:55:01.360 --> 00:55:02.400
They even.

871
00:55:03.639 --> 00:55:05.480
I didn't like how they sort of they sort of

872
00:55:05.480 --> 00:55:10.960
trashed Margot Kidder as Lois Lane. And she was cast

873
00:55:11.079 --> 00:55:15.119
because she was being her own quirky self and that's

874
00:55:15.159 --> 00:55:19.840
what Richard Donner liked. And she had this you know,

875
00:55:19.960 --> 00:55:22.760
she was I think she was beautiful, but she had

876
00:55:22.800 --> 00:55:29.239
this vulnerabil vulton there, Yeah, that vulnerability about her, but

877
00:55:29.320 --> 00:55:34.039
yet you know she was you know, vulnerabil ability, but

878
00:55:34.159 --> 00:55:40.559
she was also had an inner strength as well. So

879
00:55:40.840 --> 00:55:43.079
I'm just it was just one of those things where

880
00:55:43.119 --> 00:55:45.800
and of course the music John Williams, you can't go wrong,

881
00:55:46.440 --> 00:55:49.639
and some say that that was even a better soundtrack

882
00:55:49.719 --> 00:55:52.239
than Star Wars, and I think he did Raiders of

883
00:55:52.280 --> 00:55:57.880
the Lost Star as well, but that's just a and

884
00:55:57.920 --> 00:56:01.480
it's just when you put the scene and the music together.

885
00:56:02.559 --> 00:56:05.719
It's just perfection. But that's you know, the magic of editing.

886
00:56:06.239 --> 00:56:10.119
I suppose, but I did not. I started out to

887
00:56:10.159 --> 00:56:16.760
watch Superman two the Donner cut yesterday, and I hate

888
00:56:16.760 --> 00:56:19.000
to admit that I wound up falling asleep. So I

889
00:56:19.079 --> 00:56:23.920
have to go back and watch that. So and that's

890
00:56:23.960 --> 00:56:24.320
my take.

891
00:56:25.480 --> 00:56:29.800
That's that's perfectly fine. How about you, Charles, what'd you

892
00:56:29.840 --> 00:56:30.960
think about Superman?

893
00:56:32.840 --> 00:56:35.400
Okay, well, I was well, our people were talking. I

894
00:56:35.440 --> 00:56:37.400
was kind of going through a little bit of history

895
00:56:37.400 --> 00:56:40.199
and it's like, okay, why were we in this mood

896
00:56:40.360 --> 00:56:48.440
for Superman? And I'm looking back at dates, and we

897
00:56:48.519 --> 00:56:52.880
had the Superman cartoon back in the forties, we had

898
00:56:52.880 --> 00:56:56.400
the live action in fifty two to fifty full fifty eight.

899
00:56:58.519 --> 00:57:02.880
Then we started getting into the interesting superhero collection. Batman

900
00:57:04.119 --> 00:57:08.440
was in the sixties. We had super Friends Saturday Morning

901
00:57:08.599 --> 00:57:13.320
starting in seventy three. In seventy five we got wonder Woman.

902
00:57:14.280 --> 00:57:18.800
Seventy seven we got Hulk, so of course we do that.

903
00:57:19.119 --> 00:57:21.719
Of course, seventy eight we got to get Superman in there.

904
00:57:23.320 --> 00:57:25.880
So we were in the era. We loved our superheroes,

905
00:57:28.280 --> 00:57:32.599
and I was gonna I was gonna say Superman two

906
00:57:32.679 --> 00:57:37.280
for today, But the problem was yesterday was I got

907
00:57:37.280 --> 00:57:43.840
watching Superman the movie. Then it's like, oh, I want

908
00:57:43.840 --> 00:57:46.840
to see some more origin and I want to go

909
00:57:46.920 --> 00:57:50.840
catch Superman the animated series and end up with a

910
00:57:50.840 --> 00:57:54.920
bat not only the three parter opener to Superman, but

911
00:57:55.079 --> 00:57:59.840
about three more episodes past that, and seeing a deaf

912
00:58:02.239 --> 00:58:06.480
and interesting Luther, which was very enjoyable to watch with

913
00:58:06.559 --> 00:58:12.000
the quirky blow with Lane. But back when this movie

914
00:58:12.039 --> 00:58:18.880
came out, I remember, probably with dad, going to a

915
00:58:18.920 --> 00:58:25.360
movie theater on a Sunday big screen and watching watching

916
00:58:25.400 --> 00:58:27.119
this thing on the big screen, just being in.

917
00:58:27.480 --> 00:58:29.280
Awe of it.

918
00:58:30.559 --> 00:58:32.440
I sat there and got a little teary. It's in

919
00:58:32.519 --> 00:58:34.880
a couple of spots in the movie watching it this

920
00:58:35.039 --> 00:58:38.199
time because like, oh, I remember just some of those scenes.

921
00:58:39.280 --> 00:58:42.280
I thought it interesting watching it in the four K version.

922
00:58:42.360 --> 00:58:44.840
To me, the four K version seemed a little grainy

923
00:58:44.960 --> 00:58:48.960
in spots, but it's like, but that was the background,

924
00:58:50.400 --> 00:58:54.400
But that didn't take away from just all the special

925
00:58:54.440 --> 00:59:00.519
abilities that that movie did. But we also think about

926
00:59:00.559 --> 00:59:04.960
all the ethics of Superman. Yet his father told him

927
00:59:04.960 --> 00:59:08.159
not to change history, and yet he sit there and

928
00:59:08.360 --> 00:59:14.400
change history of change, spinning the world back and bringing

929
00:59:14.480 --> 00:59:17.880
to being Lois back then. I thought it interesting towards

930
00:59:17.920 --> 00:59:20.920
that and it's like, Okay, we never really saw what

931
00:59:21.039 --> 00:59:24.360
happened after that, So what did happen to those earthquakes?

932
00:59:25.679 --> 00:59:31.679
Maybe there is a something in there with that, but

933
00:59:31.840 --> 00:59:34.519
for me, it was interesting how we kind of cut there.

934
00:59:36.639 --> 00:59:39.639
I also thought interesting, and I know the TV version

935
00:59:39.719 --> 00:59:43.079
ever edited it, but I thought it interesting when the

936
00:59:43.119 --> 00:59:47.559
little boy walked out of spaceship, we saw a nice

937
00:59:47.639 --> 00:59:50.480
full of view of that little boy. Yep, Okay, that's

938
00:59:50.519 --> 00:59:55.760
the boy all right, And it's like, yeah, that was

939
00:59:55.800 --> 01:00:01.199
interesting the fact that I that much and ever seeing

940
01:00:01.239 --> 01:00:04.960
that much view of a child back then.

941
01:00:05.159 --> 01:00:06.719
Yeah, that was a little bit. Yeah, that was a

942
01:00:06.719 --> 01:00:08.719
little bit. Yeah.

943
01:00:08.840 --> 01:00:11.320
Yeah, it was surprising the fact that that was left

944
01:00:11.360 --> 01:00:14.480
in there and it was still part of the four

945
01:00:14.599 --> 01:00:18.920
K cut. Even when David showed his preview of the

946
01:00:18.960 --> 01:00:22.000
movie there he was if you look close enough, you'll

947
01:00:22.000 --> 01:00:29.159
see him full of you. Victoria didn't mention it, but

948
01:00:29.199 --> 01:00:34.320
it was interesting. Why did people kind of discuss Brando? Well,

949
01:00:34.400 --> 01:00:36.480
the thing is with Brando was I think it was

950
01:00:36.519 --> 01:00:38.519
a little later in his career.

951
01:00:39.719 --> 01:00:41.119
And he.

952
01:00:42.440 --> 01:00:47.320
Wanted to make his line so real. He didn't memory

953
01:00:47.440 --> 01:00:51.440
just script. There's at least one point where I think

954
01:00:51.480 --> 01:00:57.679
he's looking at the diaper and had his words are

955
01:00:57.760 --> 01:01:05.519
right there, the diaper's reading it. He's not reading the script. Also,

956
01:01:05.679 --> 01:01:14.960
Gene Hackman really wanted to didn't want to lose his hair,

957
01:01:16.559 --> 01:01:17.199
didn't want to.

958
01:01:17.159 --> 01:01:20.039
Be bald for this.

959
01:01:21.920 --> 01:01:24.039
But it's interesting how the fact is he wanted to

960
01:01:24.079 --> 01:01:27.760
be so much having his hair even though Luther's supposed

961
01:01:27.760 --> 01:01:30.119
to be bald, and then we finally see Luthor being

962
01:01:30.159 --> 01:01:36.400
bald the end. But that I think that's interesting, just

963
01:01:36.480 --> 01:01:39.599
how and it's interesting in the movie. Look at the credits.

964
01:01:40.840 --> 01:01:47.159
Rando comes in, Gene Hackman comes in and little down

965
01:01:47.159 --> 01:01:50.719
the line, then Christopher Reid comes in. So he wasn't

966
01:01:50.719 --> 01:01:57.360
even getting top billing in this movie. Trivia for people

967
01:01:57.599 --> 01:02:02.800
on this one. Something interesting? What was the visual difference

968
01:02:03.920 --> 01:02:09.519
between Superman and Clark Kent? Anybody notice.

969
01:02:10.960 --> 01:02:13.039
Glasses?

970
01:02:13.239 --> 01:02:21.840
Not just the glasses. What else where did he part

971
01:02:21.920 --> 01:02:22.440
his hair?

972
01:02:23.559 --> 01:02:26.320
Yeah, I was gonna say the hair hat hair.

973
01:02:26.840 --> 01:02:34.639
Because Clark Kent had his hair, had his hairline on

974
01:02:34.760 --> 01:02:40.519
the left. That's where the hairline was Super Superman the

975
01:02:40.559 --> 01:02:44.880
hairline was on the right. M But that was that

976
01:02:45.079 --> 01:02:47.440
was one of the visuals. As the fact is, which

977
01:02:47.519 --> 01:02:53.039
where which side did he part his hair? And I looked,

978
01:02:53.199 --> 01:02:55.920
I saw that in the trivia and looked at the videos. Yep,

979
01:02:56.039 --> 01:03:00.079
that's true. Superman did have his hair parted on the

980
01:03:00.159 --> 01:03:08.079
right and Clark Kent was part on the left. But

981
01:03:08.239 --> 01:03:10.239
if you really want to have something interesting to use

982
01:03:10.239 --> 01:03:14.000
the Superman definitely go back and watch the animated series

983
01:03:14.760 --> 01:03:17.440
back from ninety six. That was also, I think a

984
01:03:17.599 --> 01:03:21.800
great time for Superman. I love what they did with

985
01:03:21.840 --> 01:03:26.800
that series. That between that and Batman, those were musty

986
01:03:27.000 --> 01:03:30.320
shows back in the nineties in the afternoon.

987
01:03:33.480 --> 01:03:36.639
So Charles, does the does the hair thing take you

988
01:03:37.159 --> 01:03:39.800
out of the story or do you see that as

989
01:03:40.000 --> 01:03:43.519
a difference between Clark Kent and Superman.

990
01:03:44.199 --> 01:03:49.400
That's that different between Clark Kent Superman. Clark Kent Superman

991
01:03:49.440 --> 01:03:51.599
are not supposed to look alike. So it's actually a

992
01:03:51.599 --> 01:03:54.960
way of saying, Okay, Superman looks a little differently than

993
01:03:55.000 --> 01:03:55.880
Clark Kent does.

994
01:03:57.320 --> 01:03:59.599
Well, that explains it. That's why I never put the

995
01:03:59.599 --> 01:04:00.000
two together.

996
01:04:03.400 --> 01:04:06.679
Maybe it's the fact did Lois Lane never I truly

997
01:04:06.880 --> 01:04:08.840
thought the two of them together. She thought it at

998
01:04:08.840 --> 01:04:14.360
one point, but at the end she not they couldn't

999
01:04:14.360 --> 01:04:15.119
be the same person.

1000
01:04:18.519 --> 01:04:19.920
I always thought it was the glasses.

1001
01:04:20.800 --> 01:04:26.440
Well, what's interesting, Yeah, I did read that Christopher Reeve didn't.

1002
01:04:26.639 --> 01:04:28.760
I don't know if it just happened or if he

1003
01:04:28.800 --> 01:04:33.239
did it on purpose. But when he went into the

1004
01:04:33.320 --> 01:04:39.039
canteena where all the actors eat, when he went as Superman,

1005
01:04:39.800 --> 01:04:43.119
all the ladies swooned over him. But when he went

1006
01:04:43.239 --> 01:04:46.320
as Clark Kent, nobody gave him a second look. He

1007
01:04:46.400 --> 01:04:51.119
was basically ignored. So that's that's kind of interesting right there.

1008
01:04:53.480 --> 01:04:53.679
Yep.

1009
01:04:53.880 --> 01:04:59.280
Sounds like exactly what I what kind of look like

1010
01:04:59.519 --> 01:05:02.719
is the fact he was such a different character. Mm hmmm.

1011
01:05:03.000 --> 01:05:07.960
And between the two day how meek Clark Kent is

1012
01:05:08.280 --> 01:05:13.599
and how powerful and leadering Superman is.

1013
01:05:17.639 --> 01:05:21.760
Well, you know what, Charles, I am very curious of

1014
01:05:21.920 --> 01:05:25.800
all of my awesome trucks pursts, there's one in particular

1015
01:05:26.320 --> 01:05:29.440
that I'm really looking forward to seeing what he had

1016
01:05:29.440 --> 01:05:32.679
to say. And that's because he didn't grow up with

1017
01:05:32.800 --> 01:05:35.519
it like the rest of us did. So I'm really

1018
01:05:35.519 --> 01:05:39.559
interested to see what David thought about it, having I'm

1019
01:05:39.599 --> 01:05:42.719
assuming seen it for the first time. David, am I am?

1020
01:05:42.760 --> 01:05:45.880
I correct, No, I have seen it earlier.

1021
01:05:45.920 --> 01:05:47.800
But let me get my disguise on really quick before

1022
01:05:47.800 --> 01:05:54.320
you guys find out my true identity. But yeah, so

1023
01:05:54.599 --> 01:05:58.000
I wrote some notes, So let me begin with the

1024
01:05:58.039 --> 01:06:01.639
Folst movie. So I'm kind of like in the same

1025
01:06:01.639 --> 01:06:04.280
boat with Eric, where I kind of got the movies

1026
01:06:04.360 --> 01:06:07.480
mixed up, and I guess I've actually kind of seen

1027
01:06:07.719 --> 01:06:11.199
one more than i've seen two. But I've seen both,

1028
01:06:11.719 --> 01:06:18.000
so the very beginning when they were on the planet Krypton,

1029
01:06:18.599 --> 01:06:21.199
and I never actually noticed it before because I didn't

1030
01:06:21.239 --> 01:06:24.480
realize that Shoopman was not that far off from when

1031
01:06:24.519 --> 01:06:28.760
Star Wars first came out. So I noticed a lot

1032
01:06:28.760 --> 01:06:33.199
of the similarities and designs of the architecture of Krypton

1033
01:06:33.400 --> 01:06:37.280
versus the Death Star. So I mean, just looking at

1034
01:06:37.280 --> 01:06:39.840
the two in comparison, it looked very similar, and so

1035
01:06:39.920 --> 01:06:41.920
I thought, wow, that looks a lot like the inside

1036
01:06:41.960 --> 01:06:46.119
of the Death Star. So and of course when the

1037
01:06:46.159 --> 01:06:48.280
planet was breaking up, you know, they were showing all

1038
01:06:48.320 --> 01:06:50.880
these different fault lines breaking power and everything, and for

1039
01:06:50.920 --> 01:06:54.400
some odd reason when I watched we watched it, I

1040
01:06:54.440 --> 01:06:56.960
was like, wow, that looks a lot like Hawk, the

1041
01:06:56.960 --> 01:06:59.559
planet Hawk from Star Wars. And I didn't know if

1042
01:06:59.639 --> 01:07:03.039
like Pire Strikes Back came out first or after. I

1043
01:07:03.039 --> 01:07:07.719
didn't actually look at it, but yeah, So I was

1044
01:07:07.760 --> 01:07:11.599
watching it with my wife last night, and my wife like,

1045
01:07:12.639 --> 01:07:14.199
I saw the.

1046
01:07:13.960 --> 01:07:14.719
Mother of.

1047
01:07:16.920 --> 01:07:25.320
Superman, Clark Kent, and she made an interesting thought that

1048
01:07:25.480 --> 01:07:27.920
I was like, Wow, she does look a lot like

1049
01:07:28.039 --> 01:07:31.719
Goldiehan when you put the two together. I was like,

1050
01:07:31.800 --> 01:07:34.400
because I just had a glimpse there at first, it

1051
01:07:34.480 --> 01:07:37.239
was just like some of her Facebook questions. I guess

1052
01:07:37.280 --> 01:07:39.599
I don't know, but for some reason, I was like, yeah,

1053
01:07:39.639 --> 01:07:41.679
we had to rewind it, look at it again. We're like, oh, yeah,

1054
01:07:41.679 --> 01:07:46.039
that kind of just looked like Goldiehan. But other than that,

1055
01:07:48.960 --> 01:07:51.480
so okay. There was a part of my notes share

1056
01:07:51.519 --> 01:07:54.000
that I wanted to get an opinion from you guys.

1057
01:07:54.119 --> 01:07:56.880
And it's a question that I always was wondering, how

1058
01:07:56.920 --> 01:08:00.159
come the people from Krypton do not have the your

1059
01:08:00.239 --> 01:08:03.199
dac stame power to Superman? What dave Superman his powers?

1060
01:08:03.280 --> 01:08:04.559
I've never actually knew that.

1061
01:08:05.639 --> 01:08:09.119
I would like to know, what do you what do

1062
01:08:09.119 --> 01:08:11.320
you mean? They didn't have the exact same powers.

1063
01:08:11.599 --> 01:08:15.119
The reason that the villains, that the reason the villains

1064
01:08:15.159 --> 01:08:18.319
had powers when they were on Earth, they did not

1065
01:08:18.479 --> 01:08:22.119
have those powers on Krypton. Krypton had a red sun.

1066
01:08:23.239 --> 01:08:24.640
Earth has a yellow sun.

1067
01:08:28.359 --> 01:08:31.039
Their yion that you took from Krypton and you put

1068
01:08:31.039 --> 01:08:33.760
them on Earth, they would have similar equivalent power. That's

1069
01:08:33.800 --> 01:08:35.960
just the fact is it's a different environment. And so

1070
01:08:36.039 --> 01:08:39.199
it's like when you are on Earth and you have

1071
01:08:39.239 --> 01:08:43.159
a different son, Kryptonian's powers are enhanced as opposed to

1072
01:08:43.199 --> 01:08:46.039
them just being normal when they're in their own environment

1073
01:08:46.319 --> 01:08:47.760
with their difference on So.

1074
01:08:48.199 --> 01:08:52.279
And I think this is like an interesting, like ethical

1075
01:08:52.720 --> 01:08:56.159
and like a deeper topic in terms of Superman, because

1076
01:08:56.159 --> 01:09:00.560
on Superman's home planet, he's just a normal guy. But

1077
01:09:00.600 --> 01:09:04.439
when he comes to Earth, particularly in the extended cut

1078
01:09:04.600 --> 01:09:09.159
of Superman One that I saw, Durrell explains that he's

1079
01:09:09.159 --> 01:09:11.680
going to have enhanced powers, that he's not going to

1080
01:09:11.720 --> 01:09:14.199
be like other people, that he's going to be another

1081
01:09:15.039 --> 01:09:17.119
you know. And it sounds like maybe this new movie

1082
01:09:17.279 --> 01:09:22.319
takes that to kind of another level. But I like

1083
01:09:22.439 --> 01:09:27.279
that part of Superman in that he's like feels responsible

1084
01:09:27.359 --> 01:09:31.319
for other people even though he is different from them.

1085
01:09:31.840 --> 01:09:34.359
I wonder, I wonder what would happen if if an

1086
01:09:34.439 --> 01:09:36.760
Earth Wing went to Krypton. Would you be super weak?

1087
01:09:38.680 --> 01:09:40.720
I mean, I don't know.

1088
01:09:40.840 --> 01:09:44.560
Nobody, nobody knows how yellow Sun Powers actually worked. It's

1089
01:09:44.680 --> 01:09:47.000
like an energy thing. Like I could take it to

1090
01:09:47.079 --> 01:09:49.880
the thermodynamics discussion if you want to talk about that,

1091
01:09:50.119 --> 01:09:52.760
Like I get wonder, I get theorized that for a

1092
01:09:52.760 --> 01:09:53.399
little bit, if.

1093
01:09:53.319 --> 01:09:53.720
You'd like.

1094
01:09:59.600 --> 01:10:03.199
Killing me, curious, sailing me with all this stuff whatever.

1095
01:10:03.279 --> 01:10:05.199
All right, so let me continue on with my note.

1096
01:10:05.239 --> 01:10:07.439
So I wrote here that it's just a rated other

1097
01:10:07.520 --> 01:10:09.680
movie because we saw private parts.

1098
01:10:10.279 --> 01:10:11.079
I mean, I know.

1099
01:10:11.159 --> 01:10:13.359
That seventies were different.

1100
01:10:13.359 --> 01:10:13.520
Man.

1101
01:10:13.880 --> 01:10:16.279
Yeah, there's also a scene in the first movie where

1102
01:10:16.279 --> 01:10:19.039
you hear off screen a kid getting smacked because she

1103
01:10:19.199 --> 01:10:20.720
lied about her cat being.

1104
01:10:20.479 --> 01:10:25.279
Saved by Oh yeah, yeah, it's kind of weird, right,

1105
01:10:25.760 --> 01:10:27.560
thanks Superman the seventies.

1106
01:10:27.640 --> 01:10:31.319
Yeah, okay, So.

1107
01:10:32.520 --> 01:10:34.640
Yeah, so here's something that me and my wife actually

1108
01:10:34.680 --> 01:10:40.159
found out that in the sene in Superman one, when

1109
01:10:40.199 --> 01:10:44.720
he was traveling this was the non Chrystopher reb actor.

1110
01:10:46.880 --> 01:10:50.159
He was opening up his backpack and he was going

1111
01:10:50.239 --> 01:10:52.119
to take out the green crystal to throw out to

1112
01:10:52.279 --> 01:10:57.840
build his home. We noticed something very familiar in his backpack.

1113
01:10:57.920 --> 01:11:01.279
It turned out to be red and blue inside.

1114
01:11:01.399 --> 01:11:03.600
We're like, is that his shoot?

1115
01:11:04.159 --> 01:11:06.520
Did he actually have a shoot with him when.

1116
01:11:06.439 --> 01:11:09.319
Well, well, they say, and it's either the first of

1117
01:11:09.399 --> 01:11:12.479
the second movie where he is sent with three different blankets.

1118
01:11:12.520 --> 01:11:15.560
He's sent with a red blanket, a blue blanket, and

1119
01:11:15.600 --> 01:11:19.039
a yellow blanket that are meant to protect him while

1120
01:11:19.079 --> 01:11:22.319
he's on the planet. So that's where his like colors

1121
01:11:22.359 --> 01:11:24.319
and his whole thing comes from.

1122
01:11:24.600 --> 01:11:29.079
Okay, that's interesting, so let's see here. Oh yeah, So

1123
01:11:29.319 --> 01:11:33.119
keepping more into the story of the Superman movie. I

1124
01:11:33.800 --> 01:11:37.079
really laughed how loud when he went up to the

1125
01:11:37.199 --> 01:11:39.239
half telephone booth and he was going.

1126
01:11:39.159 --> 01:11:42.680
To change his sh but he looks at it right, He's.

1127
01:11:42.560 --> 01:11:49.159
Like, but yeah, so let's see here. Oh yeah. So

1128
01:11:49.319 --> 01:11:54.680
when Lois Lange did his first interview with Superman, it

1129
01:11:54.760 --> 01:11:57.319
must be a seventies thing. I don't know, but I

1130
01:11:57.439 --> 01:11:59.960
was like, man, this is kind of make me uncomfortable.

1131
01:12:00.119 --> 01:12:05.439
I mean, what color of underwear in my way? So,

1132
01:12:05.720 --> 01:12:08.399
I mean it was super important though, because that's where

1133
01:12:08.399 --> 01:12:11.279
we found out that he couldn't chose the lead. So

1134
01:12:11.640 --> 01:12:13.560
I got they had to throw that in there, and

1135
01:12:13.640 --> 01:12:17.359
that was actually kind of interesting conversation they had going

1136
01:12:17.399 --> 01:12:20.039
on there, and I was just like, wow, it's just but.

1137
01:12:20.319 --> 01:12:23.119
I honestly wasn't sure if that was included in the

1138
01:12:23.119 --> 01:12:26.399
theatrical release or so that was just an extended cut thing.

1139
01:12:26.880 --> 01:12:28.880
Okay, okay, that was original.

1140
01:12:29.039 --> 01:12:30.920
I don't know which point I've watched.

1141
01:12:30.880 --> 01:12:33.880
And I want to know how could Lois Lane afford

1142
01:12:33.960 --> 01:12:39.960
that awesome apartment? You know, she had a balcony, it

1143
01:12:40.079 --> 01:12:42.600
was huge. It wasn't the size of a closet like

1144
01:12:42.640 --> 01:12:46.399
your average you know, New York apartment is that costs you,

1145
01:12:46.399 --> 01:12:49.960
you know, five thousand dollars. So, but I cracked up

1146
01:12:50.000 --> 01:12:52.960
when she she said, how big are you at?

1147
01:12:53.159 --> 01:12:54.840
You know, it's like, I mean, how tall are you?

1148
01:12:58.239 --> 01:13:01.039
I'll tell you what you know. You can always just

1149
01:13:01.039 --> 01:13:02.159
say she had rich parents.

1150
01:13:02.159 --> 01:13:06.239
Man, I mean it's always it's always yeah.

1151
01:13:06.720 --> 01:13:09.720
But to go back on something Jim said about the

1152
01:13:09.760 --> 01:13:13.640
special effects, right, what's a great scene in her apartment?

1153
01:13:13.720 --> 01:13:16.760
Since you mentioned that, V there's an awesome scene there

1154
01:13:16.760 --> 01:13:18.800
where she's out on the apartment and she's talking to

1155
01:13:18.840 --> 01:13:23.600
Superman and Superman waves goodbye and he flies off. Okay,

1156
01:13:23.640 --> 01:13:28.680
and in the same shot without cutting and or editing,

1157
01:13:29.119 --> 01:13:32.239
she walks away back into her apartment to answer the

1158
01:13:32.279 --> 01:13:35.199
front door, and there's Clark Kent and it's within like

1159
01:13:35.279 --> 01:13:38.439
I don't know, twenty seconds or something like that. And

1160
01:13:38.520 --> 01:13:41.079
at the time, right, that was a hell of a

1161
01:13:41.159 --> 01:13:43.319
get right. I mean, now we know how they did

1162
01:13:43.319 --> 01:13:45.640
it right, and I won't spoil it for you now,

1163
01:13:45.680 --> 01:13:49.279
but it was like a great effect right for the time,

1164
01:13:49.319 --> 01:13:51.000
it was like, how did they do that? There's no cut,

1165
01:13:51.039 --> 01:13:53.560
there's no edit. You know, it was really really well done.

1166
01:13:53.600 --> 01:13:55.920
I mean for the time, that was a beautiful piece, right.

1167
01:13:56.399 --> 01:13:59.680
Yeah, So I got one more thing for the notes

1168
01:13:59.720 --> 01:14:02.000
for one. Now get back on to Superman two here.

1169
01:14:03.560 --> 01:14:07.560
So that whole time travel thing when he's putting around

1170
01:14:07.560 --> 01:14:10.640
the planet and everything. I mean, I know and science

1171
01:14:10.680 --> 01:14:14.560
doesn't really work that way, but uh, the idea that

1172
01:14:15.119 --> 01:14:19.720
Lex lucior Luthor had this line in the movie where

1173
01:14:19.760 --> 01:14:25.119
he was saying about a bubblegum wrapper unlocking the knowledge

1174
01:14:25.119 --> 01:14:27.760
of the universe, and I was just thinking, okay, so

1175
01:14:29.079 --> 01:14:33.399
if that could be a thing, welcome. Superman never really

1176
01:14:33.560 --> 01:14:36.600
was able to dislike, you know, revive Lowis Lane from

1177
01:14:36.680 --> 01:14:38.560
dying instead of having to spin around the Earth, Like

1178
01:14:39.439 --> 01:14:41.680
did he not bring a bubble gum with him?

1179
01:14:42.119 --> 01:14:42.520
I don't know.

1180
01:14:42.560 --> 01:14:45.279
It's just kind of like it was kind of an

1181
01:14:45.319 --> 01:14:47.680
interesting scene where it was just like you just decided

1182
01:14:47.720 --> 01:14:52.119
to go and disobey his father to bend the planet around,

1183
01:14:52.279 --> 01:14:54.319
and it was just kind of like a dumb word moment.

1184
01:14:54.439 --> 01:14:59.680
But yeah, well so, So one of the things that

1185
01:14:59.720 --> 01:15:03.159
I've find interesting about this some of the stuff you're

1186
01:15:03.159 --> 01:15:06.920
talking about now is the fact that Durrell says that

1187
01:15:07.039 --> 01:15:12.119
these crystals contain the full knowledge of the twenty eight

1188
01:15:12.279 --> 01:15:21.119
known galaxies right of the but in both of these movies,

1189
01:15:22.199 --> 01:15:24.840
that full knowledge is not displayed at all.

1190
01:15:25.000 --> 01:15:29.640
So it's it's kind of like exposition to me to say, Okay,

1191
01:15:29.760 --> 01:15:34.680
Superman has all this cool knowledge and yet he never

1192
01:15:34.760 --> 01:15:38.880
displays it. He never He still is fumbling his way

1193
01:15:38.920 --> 01:15:42.600
through human society. He's still like trying to figure out

1194
01:15:42.680 --> 01:15:45.239
how to protect humans. Like why does he even care

1195
01:15:45.319 --> 01:15:48.560
about the planet that he's on. I guess it's because

1196
01:15:48.600 --> 01:15:52.079
it's the one planet that he's on. Why is he

1197
01:15:52.159 --> 01:15:55.680
not trying to find other planets that are more important

1198
01:15:55.359 --> 01:15:58.520
or that sort of stuff. So, so I don't know.

1199
01:15:58.560 --> 01:16:02.640
I like, relative to what you're saying, there's Superman supposed

1200
01:16:02.680 --> 01:16:05.039
to based on these movies, He's supposed to have all

1201
01:16:05.079 --> 01:16:09.640
this superior knowledge, but it is never once displayed or used.

1202
01:16:10.319 --> 01:16:12.159
I'm not I'm not nickpicking about it. I just thought

1203
01:16:12.159 --> 01:16:14.119
it was a little strange that the director decided to

1204
01:16:14.159 --> 01:16:16.399
go that route. But it was just kind of fun

1205
01:16:16.439 --> 01:16:18.479
to watch. But at the same time, I do remember

1206
01:16:18.520 --> 01:16:23.079
the spinning planet from way back in my early years.

1207
01:16:23.840 --> 01:16:30.159
But but did you have do you have somebody's lines

1208
01:16:30.199 --> 01:16:31.319
written on your diaper?

1209
01:16:32.640 --> 01:16:38.520
Did you right have his lines written in diaper? If

1210
01:16:38.520 --> 01:16:41.600
I can add, you know that scene or that part

1211
01:16:41.680 --> 01:16:46.279
where Superman, you know, he realizes Lois Is Lois is

1212
01:16:46.279 --> 01:16:51.199
dead and because I think because he couldn't, he goes

1213
01:16:51.239 --> 01:16:56.159
back to not being able to or his earth father

1214
01:16:56.399 --> 01:17:00.479
as I call him, wouldn't let him get say, wouldn't

1215
01:17:00.479 --> 01:17:05.079
be saved in the tornado because he didn't want Clark's

1216
01:17:05.119 --> 01:17:09.600
powers to be revealed, and so he had to let

1217
01:17:09.640 --> 01:17:12.800
his father die, you know, his earth father, and that's really.

1218
01:17:12.560 --> 01:17:13.760
The only one that he knew.

1219
01:17:14.439 --> 01:17:17.920
So so he loved his father and he loves Lois,

1220
01:17:18.439 --> 01:17:22.880
I assume at this point. And then it was Christopher

1221
01:17:22.920 --> 01:17:28.720
Reeves's idea to do that primal scream that he did,

1222
01:17:28.800 --> 01:17:30.680
and it just like man, when you hear that, it

1223
01:17:30.840 --> 01:17:34.319
just at least I did, it just went right through me.

1224
01:17:35.119 --> 01:17:38.159
And he just like, no, I can't. Somebody else that

1225
01:17:38.199 --> 01:17:41.359
I love has died. I cannot deal with this. I'm

1226
01:17:41.359 --> 01:17:43.680
going to use my powers, you know, screw what my

1227
01:17:43.800 --> 01:17:46.239
dad said. I'm going to turn back time. I'm going

1228
01:17:46.319 --> 01:17:48.960
to save her. And there there we go.

1229
01:17:50.760 --> 01:17:55.720
Huh yeah, interesting, all right, cool? Well, I mean overall,

1230
01:17:55.800 --> 01:17:58.279
it's a Superman one movie. I actually enjoyed it.

1231
01:17:58.279 --> 01:17:59.079
It was really fun.

1232
01:18:00.199 --> 01:18:02.079
Brought back a lot of no childia for me from

1233
01:18:02.159 --> 01:18:04.560
my past, so, I mean, I'm not that young, but

1234
01:18:05.640 --> 01:18:09.199
it was interesting. But for Superman two. Before I actually

1235
01:18:09.239 --> 01:18:11.479
go to Superman two, you guys mentioned about Lex Luthor

1236
01:18:11.600 --> 01:18:14.520
being a comic really type of character, and I actually

1237
01:18:14.600 --> 01:18:16.279
kind of enjoyed that. I mean, without a little bit

1238
01:18:16.279 --> 01:18:20.720
of comic a comedity, uh, you know, it would be

1239
01:18:20.760 --> 01:18:23.119
an okay movie. But to me, I'm all about the comedy.

1240
01:18:23.239 --> 01:18:27.520
So I actually liked that Alex Luthor part and it

1241
01:18:27.560 --> 01:18:30.600
was actually kind of enjoyable. Made last couple of parts.

1242
01:18:30.640 --> 01:18:38.640
But anyway, to Superman two. Yeah, so when the chief

1243
01:18:39.520 --> 01:18:42.520
when everybody knows about Superman and they were putting them

1244
01:18:42.520 --> 01:18:45.279
all in the papers and everything, and the chief of

1245
01:18:45.359 --> 01:18:49.399
the newspaper company says, get your head out of the cloud.

1246
01:18:49.960 --> 01:18:51.880
Is that a reference for him, just kind of like

1247
01:18:51.960 --> 01:18:54.039
flying around to Superman Because he was always up into

1248
01:18:54.039 --> 01:18:57.119
clouds with Lowis, I was always wondered about why did they,

1249
01:18:57.159 --> 01:18:59.720
particularly particularly Shed get your head out of the cloud.

1250
01:18:59.800 --> 01:19:02.359
But maybe I'm just too young to know that phrase,

1251
01:19:02.439 --> 01:19:07.840
but oh yeah, clouds.

1252
01:19:07.439 --> 01:19:09.760
Used to be a reference to somebody being a dreamer

1253
01:19:10.479 --> 01:19:14.600
or some being distracted. They're heading the clouds, They're not

1254
01:19:14.760 --> 01:19:19.279
focused on what they're doing. It's a common phrase back then.

1255
01:19:21.359 --> 01:19:21.760
Nice.

1256
01:19:22.319 --> 01:19:25.920
So when Lex Luthor reveals that he was going to

1257
01:19:25.960 --> 01:19:30.640
be sending out the bomb to uh, California and New Jersey. Uh,

1258
01:19:31.960 --> 01:19:34.840
and when Superman brings out the first bomb, I was

1259
01:19:34.920 --> 01:19:37.880
thinking of Phace nineteen ninety nine immediately right in there.

1260
01:19:37.920 --> 01:19:39.359
I was just like, oh no, he's gonna put it

1261
01:19:39.439 --> 01:19:44.840
on the moon and we're gonna lose it. But uh

1262
01:19:46.199 --> 01:19:49.119
so I thought that was kind of an interesting throwback.

1263
01:19:49.159 --> 01:19:54.199
But yeah. Another part of the Lex Luthor situation when

1264
01:19:54.239 --> 01:19:57.880
they were in the jail, the whole community thing, comedy

1265
01:19:57.920 --> 01:20:01.399
thing which made me I got loud for some odd region,

1266
01:20:02.319 --> 01:20:08.399
was when Otis pushed his fingers behind Lex Luthor when

1267
01:20:08.439 --> 01:20:12.239
the lights came out and he did the Little Bunny Us.

1268
01:20:12.800 --> 01:20:17.560
I thought that was clarious. And of course you can't

1269
01:20:17.960 --> 01:20:22.039
forget all the beautiful scenes that they had with the

1270
01:20:22.079 --> 01:20:25.279
scene wage. I mean, Viagara Falls. I mean, come on, guys,

1271
01:20:25.279 --> 01:20:29.479
that's that's a really important place to remember. That's that's

1272
01:20:30.000 --> 01:20:34.119
a border between Canada and US. That's a really interesting water.

1273
01:20:34.239 --> 01:20:38.399
I've never been to it myself, but it was pretty cool.

1274
01:20:39.000 --> 01:20:42.000
I liked seeing different scene wages and movies, especially when

1275
01:20:42.000 --> 01:20:45.800
it comes to like scenes from like different countries, like

1276
01:20:45.840 --> 01:20:48.079
Lord of the Range. They did the entire shot over.

1277
01:20:47.920 --> 01:20:48.600
In New Zealand.

1278
01:20:48.680 --> 01:20:51.960
You know, that was really beautiful. I actually liked that

1279
01:20:52.039 --> 01:20:56.800
kind of stuff. So but yeah, the other thing that

1280
01:20:56.880 --> 01:20:58.359
kind of bothered me, and it kind of took me

1281
01:20:58.399 --> 01:21:00.319
out of the story for some reason. I don't know why,

1282
01:21:00.479 --> 01:21:05.119
but in Sucreman two, they kept traveling turned North Pole

1283
01:21:05.800 --> 01:21:09.560
and back, especially when Superman loses his powers. I was like, Okay,

1284
01:21:09.960 --> 01:21:12.159
how long does it take him to travel there? And

1285
01:21:12.319 --> 01:21:16.840
why aren't they wearing it's the good to keep themselves warm.

1286
01:21:17.479 --> 01:21:19.000
I don't know why that took me out, but it

1287
01:21:19.039 --> 01:21:22.359
was just like, oh man, that was a little strange.

1288
01:21:23.000 --> 01:21:28.119
So but I mean, yeah, David, he can let let

1289
01:21:28.119 --> 01:21:30.520
me just I feel like I have to interject here.

1290
01:21:31.000 --> 01:21:34.720
So he can travel fast enough to literally reverse the

1291
01:21:35.039 --> 01:21:37.359
rotation of the earth, so you don't think that he

1292
01:21:37.359 --> 01:21:39.399
could make it to the North Pole really quickly.

1293
01:21:42.159 --> 01:21:45.520
Well, when he lost his powers, though, he couldn't fly anymore. Right,

1294
01:21:46.600 --> 01:21:51.520
so when they made love after him losing his power,

1295
01:21:51.960 --> 01:21:54.399
they the next thing, they were into college, traveling to

1296
01:21:54.720 --> 01:21:57.760
I guess the nearest town, just like, Okay, that's a

1297
01:21:57.760 --> 01:21:59.920
little strain, but I mean it wasn't just him too.

1298
01:22:00.000 --> 01:22:04.319
It also likes Luthor, who travel in a blimp, and

1299
01:22:04.359 --> 01:22:06.239
he would wear in his prison clothes and it was like,

1300
01:22:07.479 --> 01:22:09.520
you know, that doesn't make sense to me, but I mean,

1301
01:22:09.560 --> 01:22:15.000
you know it's cool. It's let's see none. He's the

1302
01:22:15.079 --> 01:22:21.640
character of the three villains, right, so I've noticed she

1303
01:22:21.680 --> 01:22:24.399
didn't have a shingle line in that entire movie. He

1304
01:22:24.520 --> 01:22:25.960
just made a bunch of guntote noises.

1305
01:22:27.840 --> 01:22:28.520
He's mute.

1306
01:22:28.680 --> 01:22:30.039
I don't think he can talk.

1307
01:22:31.680 --> 01:22:35.399
He's mute. Yeah, yeah, I mean that's I mean at

1308
01:22:35.399 --> 01:22:38.319
the very beginning, and Branda was in the first movie. Basically,

1309
01:22:38.319 --> 01:22:41.520
it's the very opening thing. He gives everybody a thumbnail description, right,

1310
01:22:41.600 --> 01:22:45.239
he says and you know, none whose brute only means

1311
01:22:45.239 --> 01:22:47.920
of expression is through wanting violence, right, He's just like

1312
01:22:47.960 --> 01:22:52.760
the guy can't express himself verbally. He's kind of more animalistic, right,

1313
01:22:52.880 --> 01:22:55.439
And is the perverted one, right because he's you know,

1314
01:22:55.920 --> 01:22:57.800
of course you have to make the woman perverted because

1315
01:22:57.840 --> 01:23:02.279
it's right. But but yeah, it's you know, everyone's giving

1316
01:23:02.279 --> 01:23:04.920
a thumbnail sketch, but it's just it's easy. But it's

1317
01:23:04.920 --> 01:23:10.039
a fantasy. Man, that's agreat. It's a fantasy, and we

1318
01:23:10.079 --> 01:23:12.479
did not want to be putting the rules of reality

1319
01:23:12.239 --> 01:23:20.159
and just go with it. You know.

1320
01:23:20.159 --> 01:23:22.159
I didn't know that he was mute though. That's interesting.

1321
01:23:22.880 --> 01:23:28.800
But but yeah, okay, one more thing I have now,

1322
01:23:28.880 --> 01:23:33.680
just leave it at that Superman's house is super dangerous?

1323
01:23:34.399 --> 01:23:36.359
Where did they go when they fall into the myth

1324
01:23:37.600 --> 01:23:41.000
that the three villain that apparently lost their powers? So

1325
01:23:41.920 --> 01:23:44.279
what what what happened?

1326
01:23:46.319 --> 01:23:47.920
They go back in the fantom zone?

1327
01:23:49.119 --> 01:23:52.520
I mean, so, David, like generally, so you've talked about

1328
01:23:52.560 --> 01:23:56.319
a ton of minutia about these movies, Like what is

1329
01:23:56.359 --> 01:23:59.199
your general impression of the story and the way the

1330
01:23:59.239 --> 01:24:02.079
story moves and the way that the characters represented in

1331
01:24:02.119 --> 01:24:02.880
these movies?

1332
01:24:04.119 --> 01:24:05.359
I honestly.

1333
01:24:05.960 --> 01:24:09.359
Like I mean, of course, like Paul said, you can't

1334
01:24:09.359 --> 01:24:11.800
really put reality into a fantasy movie, and I understand that,

1335
01:24:12.600 --> 01:24:16.039
but I did like a lot of the take on

1336
01:24:16.600 --> 01:24:23.359
the the things that had to do with Superman being

1337
01:24:23.720 --> 01:24:26.760
the shavior I guess you could say to humanity and being.

1338
01:24:26.640 --> 01:24:27.560
The Jesus character.

1339
01:24:27.760 --> 01:24:29.199
Yeah, yeah, pretty much.

1340
01:24:29.279 --> 01:24:33.199
And I mean I mean he is Jesus, let's be clear.

1341
01:24:34.000 --> 01:24:34.880
So here's the.

1342
01:24:34.840 --> 01:24:40.680
Thing though, on his shoot, did they have a meaning

1343
01:24:40.880 --> 01:24:44.239
of what that actually meant in the nineteen seventy Yeah.

1344
01:24:43.960 --> 01:24:45.279
Yeah, Paul take this.

1345
01:24:46.199 --> 01:24:48.640
It was the family crest of his family, right.

1346
01:24:48.600 --> 01:24:50.960
Yeah, it's you don't want to get too bogged down

1347
01:24:51.000 --> 01:24:54.439
in definitions, man, you got to just roll with stuff

1348
01:24:54.479 --> 01:24:56.880
a little bit. Okay, it's just like we I mean clearly.

1349
01:24:57.000 --> 01:24:59.359
I mean, you've got a character that's been around before

1350
01:24:59.399 --> 01:25:02.000
it was turning to a movie, David. I mean, Superman's

1351
01:25:02.000 --> 01:25:06.640
been around for what forty freaking years, right, forty years

1352
01:25:06.720 --> 01:25:09.880
before they made this movie, right, obviously.

1353
01:25:09.319 --> 01:25:13.600
The s for Superman, right, but then in the movie

1354
01:25:13.640 --> 01:25:16.000
they do they're one nod towards grounding it.

1355
01:25:16.079 --> 01:25:16.199
Right.

1356
01:25:16.279 --> 01:25:19.479
When you're on d you see everybody has these various

1357
01:25:19.479 --> 01:25:22.960
different family symbols that are like house crests or sigils

1358
01:25:23.039 --> 01:25:26.439
or whatever you want to evoke the Game of Thrones parlance, right,

1359
01:25:26.520 --> 01:25:29.159
and that you know, what looks like an S to

1360
01:25:29.319 --> 01:25:34.279
us is basically the you know, the the jor L

1361
01:25:34.399 --> 01:25:37.319
house symbol essentially, right, And they riffed on that in

1362
01:25:37.399 --> 01:25:40.319
Man of Steel as well, So it's just basically like

1363
01:25:40.479 --> 01:25:42.680
a family crest. Yeah.

1364
01:25:42.840 --> 01:25:44.840
Yeah, I didn't really that. I thought I always thought

1365
01:25:44.840 --> 01:25:47.640
it was an S for super Superman.

1366
01:25:47.760 --> 01:25:50.000
Well it is, but they just try to embellish it.

1367
01:25:50.079 --> 01:25:52.840
Yeah, but then when I saw then, I saw them

1368
01:25:53.000 --> 01:25:55.079
when I saw geor L and say, ah, that's where

1369
01:25:55.119 --> 01:25:55.720
it comes from.

1370
01:25:55.760 --> 01:25:59.560
Okay, so Krypton scenes in the first movie, Look, you'll

1371
01:25:59.560 --> 01:26:02.640
see it by to other symbols that are different. It's

1372
01:26:02.680 --> 01:26:04.640
just showing that everybody else has got these quests too,

1373
01:26:04.680 --> 01:26:07.560
and it just Superman's happens to look like an S. Right,

1374
01:26:07.760 --> 01:26:10.560
It's just it's it's you know, you just gotta go

1375
01:26:10.600 --> 01:26:10.920
with it.

1376
01:26:11.399 --> 01:26:14.079
Yeah, So I mean to go back on the whole

1377
01:26:14.119 --> 01:26:17.319
whole thing. I mean I did enjoy that. Yeah, she

1378
01:26:18.359 --> 01:26:23.159
has this Jesus character type thing and that everybody has

1379
01:26:23.239 --> 01:26:26.640
to kind of like look up to him. To know

1380
01:26:27.239 --> 01:26:29.079
what is right what is wrong type of thing. But

1381
01:26:29.119 --> 01:26:32.000
then at the very end of the Superman two movie

1382
01:26:32.000 --> 01:26:34.279
where he comes back to beat up that guy, I

1383
01:26:34.399 --> 01:26:38.520
was like, that's not technically the hope that people are

1384
01:26:38.560 --> 01:26:40.920
looking for. I mean, showed justice in a way, but

1385
01:26:40.960 --> 01:26:45.880
it's just just toward him. But I mean, doesn't pictures particularly,

1386
01:26:45.960 --> 01:26:48.359
I was like, did super Men really want revenge? It

1387
01:26:48.399 --> 01:26:50.199
doesn't seem like you're talking.

1388
01:26:50.039 --> 01:26:50.680
About the daughter.

1389
01:26:50.800 --> 01:26:53.520
Cut the scene where he goes back and beats up

1390
01:26:53.520 --> 01:26:54.800
the bully at the diner.

1391
01:26:55.359 --> 01:26:57.920
Yeah, I guess I watched the donnal one but yeah,

1392
01:26:58.159 --> 01:27:00.600
I thought I was like that does it seemed like

1393
01:27:00.720 --> 01:27:03.560
hope to me. But other than that, you know.

1394
01:27:03.960 --> 01:27:05.680
But that was one scene out of a two and

1395
01:27:05.720 --> 01:27:06.800
a half hour movie too.

1396
01:27:07.039 --> 01:27:07.760
Yeah.

1397
01:27:07.840 --> 01:27:10.479
Well he is the big leiest, bestliest.

1398
01:27:09.840 --> 01:27:13.000
So you know, and sometimes you just got to beat

1399
01:27:13.079 --> 01:27:13.800
up the bad guy.

1400
01:27:14.520 --> 01:27:17.079
Yeah, sometimes they get what they deserve. So, David, before

1401
01:27:17.119 --> 01:27:19.279
we run out of time, which we are running out

1402
01:27:19.279 --> 01:27:25.920
of rapidly, we have we have a graphic from three tomatoes,

1403
01:27:26.039 --> 01:27:31.640
rotten tomatoes, five tomato salad whatever. I'll throw that up

1404
01:27:31.640 --> 01:27:32.960
there on the screen real quick.

1405
01:27:33.960 --> 01:27:36.319
Okay, let me shut the screen.

1406
01:27:36.439 --> 01:27:39.720
Yeah, fun go.

1407
01:27:41.279 --> 01:27:44.960
So there we have it, the rating of all the

1408
01:27:45.000 --> 01:27:48.000
Superman movies up to date, not including the one that's

1409
01:27:48.039 --> 01:27:51.560
coming up. Well, actually it is on there. Okay, that's

1410
01:27:51.600 --> 01:27:53.680
almost up there with the original. So what do you

1411
01:27:53.680 --> 01:27:56.399
guys think about this? It looks pretty good to me.

1412
01:27:57.239 --> 01:28:01.680
I would agree with it, having not seen the new

1413
01:28:01.760 --> 01:28:02.840
Superman movie yet.

1414
01:28:02.960 --> 01:28:05.479
So hmm.

1415
01:28:08.319 --> 01:28:13.239
I mean, our our fans had Superman one beating out

1416
01:28:13.279 --> 01:28:19.159
Superman two, but Rotten Tomatoes has Superman two scoring the highest.

1417
01:28:19.319 --> 01:28:22.479
Superman three and Superman four did a little bit better

1418
01:28:22.520 --> 01:28:24.520
with their ratings, and our fans gave it.

1419
01:28:25.920 --> 01:28:29.039
I'm surpribably Superman two Superman Returns. It's got such a

1420
01:28:29.079 --> 01:28:32.199
high rate to be frank, I mean, it's it's pretty forgettable,

1421
01:28:33.600 --> 01:28:35.199
you know, I think more I would I would have

1422
01:28:35.359 --> 01:28:37.720
thought that more people. You know, no offense, right, but

1423
01:28:38.119 --> 01:28:40.199
it just doesn't really hold up so great. It's kind

1424
01:28:40.199 --> 01:28:43.680
of boring and you know Man of Steel, Well, it's

1425
01:28:43.680 --> 01:28:46.000
got its issues and it is certainly controversial because of

1426
01:28:46.039 --> 01:28:49.880
what Superman did you know, I would expected that to

1427
01:28:49.920 --> 01:28:52.760
be much more popular than Superman Returns.

1428
01:28:54.399 --> 01:28:58.640
HM. Now Batman versus Superman getting a twenty eight is

1429
01:28:58.640 --> 01:29:02.399
that the uh? The Zack Snyder extended three hour cut

1430
01:29:02.479 --> 01:29:03.439
or is that the original?

1431
01:29:03.520 --> 01:29:06.800
I don't I guess origin this is rotten tomatoes. It's

1432
01:29:06.800 --> 01:29:09.560
probably the original later going off of its initial theatrical release,

1433
01:29:10.119 --> 01:29:13.159
is my guess that's that's yeah, what's going on here? Yeah?

1434
01:29:13.359 --> 01:29:15.439
You know, and it's weird for.

1435
01:29:15.439 --> 01:29:19.520
The theatrical one. But the Zack Snyder extended version, I

1436
01:29:19.640 --> 01:29:21.880
enjoyed it much better because it expanded on a lot

1437
01:29:21.920 --> 01:29:24.960
of the problems I thought the original movie had. So

1438
01:29:25.039 --> 01:29:28.600
I enjoyed the extended cut of Batman versus Superman in

1439
01:29:28.600 --> 01:29:34.000
the Justice League much better than the original theatrical and

1440
01:29:34.039 --> 01:29:36.760
then Superman. All right, So I guess this is a

1441
01:29:36.800 --> 01:29:41.479
great time eighty five Superman boor than eighty five for

1442
01:29:41.600 --> 01:29:44.359
the people that have already had it. See it. You

1443
01:29:44.359 --> 01:29:47.359
guys want to check out the trailer. Let's do it.

1444
01:29:48.239 --> 01:29:50.720
Do it, David roll the tape. I'm anxious to talk

1445
01:29:50.720 --> 01:29:51.359
about this one.

1446
01:29:54.720 --> 01:29:56.119
Are you being serious right now?

1447
01:29:57.439 --> 01:29:57.720
Yeah?

1448
01:29:59.239 --> 01:30:07.920
You'd let me inter view you as Superman? Sure, ready,

1449
01:30:08.199 --> 01:30:13.399
let's do it. Cronkite Superman, miss Lane.

1450
01:30:15.520 --> 01:30:17.960
Recently you've come under a lot of fire for where

1451
01:30:18.000 --> 01:30:19.520
some might it's.

1452
01:30:19.199 --> 01:30:19.680
A lot.

1453
01:30:23.199 --> 01:30:24.800
Today the Secretary of Defense.

1454
01:30:24.520 --> 01:30:27.600
Said he was going to look into your actions.

1455
01:30:27.359 --> 01:30:28.279
That's funny.

1456
01:30:28.520 --> 01:30:29.319
My actions.

1457
01:30:29.640 --> 01:30:30.399
I stopped a war?

1458
01:30:32.600 --> 01:30:35.079
Maybe not? Maybe I did.

1459
01:30:35.359 --> 01:30:37.720
In effect, you illegally entered a country.

1460
01:30:37.880 --> 01:30:38.800
This is how you're going to be.

1461
01:30:39.079 --> 01:30:40.359
I'm not the one being.

1462
01:30:40.279 --> 01:30:41.399
Interviewed, Superman.

1463
01:30:43.239 --> 01:30:44.640
Did you consult with the president?

1464
01:30:47.159 --> 01:30:50.039
You seemingly acting as a representative.

1465
01:30:53.319 --> 01:30:53.960
Doing good.

1466
01:30:56.920 --> 01:30:59.840
I would question myself in the same situation and consider

1467
01:30:59.880 --> 01:31:09.880
the consequence people were going to die.

1468
01:31:12.800 --> 01:31:14.640
Hey, budd eyes up here.

1469
01:31:28.439 --> 01:31:47.359
Your choice, your actions, that's what makes you who you are.

1470
01:31:48.960 --> 01:31:56.039
Super Man, He's not mad, he's an it.

1471
01:31:58.560 --> 01:32:01.399
Somehow become a focal points entire worlds conversation.

1472
01:32:03.439 --> 01:32:07.760
I will not accept that.

1473
01:32:10.880 --> 01:32:39.520
I claimed your boots, Go get them for you.

1474
01:32:39.520 --> 01:32:40.319
You have a dog?

1475
01:32:47.479 --> 01:32:50.920
Yeah, that's my lay layer right there. So the first

1476
01:32:50.960 --> 01:32:52.840
thing that I got to say about this trailer that

1477
01:32:53.079 --> 01:32:55.199
really pulled me in and really made me say, wow,

1478
01:32:55.600 --> 01:32:59.159
did you notice the soundtrack? Did you hear it? Okay,

1479
01:32:59.199 --> 01:33:00.920
that's like I want to see a Star Trek movie

1480
01:33:00.960 --> 01:33:03.680
and not hearing the Star Trek theme, I mean the

1481
01:33:03.800 --> 01:33:09.600
fact that they that they use the original uh soundtrack,

1482
01:33:09.680 --> 01:33:13.199
well part of it. Just yeah, I liked it right away.

1483
01:33:13.720 --> 01:33:16.239
I'm really excited to see this movie. I'm looking forward

1484
01:33:16.239 --> 01:33:19.439
to it a lot, matter of fact, and I think,

1485
01:33:20.039 --> 01:33:22.359
oh no, I'm not. I don't want to say now,

1486
01:33:22.359 --> 01:33:24.079
but I think I'll be with it with the fans

1487
01:33:24.079 --> 01:33:27.279
that we saw on that on that script a little earlier.

1488
01:33:27.319 --> 01:33:31.359
I think I'm gonna like this movie. What do you

1489
01:33:31.359 --> 01:33:33.359
think Paul is looking good?

1490
01:33:34.239 --> 01:33:36.920
Well? I don't know, man. You know, it's like it's

1491
01:33:36.920 --> 01:33:38.800
hard for me to get caught up in new media,

1492
01:33:39.039 --> 01:33:41.239
and especially when there's a lot of like marketing and

1493
01:33:41.319 --> 01:33:44.920
like and things like that happening. It's difficult for me

1494
01:33:44.960 --> 01:33:47.600
to get excited about it and to start. You know,

1495
01:33:53.600 --> 01:33:56.079
it is like I don't know about Crypto. If I'm

1496
01:33:56.079 --> 01:34:00.800
gonna be all okay with him serious, I am. I

1497
01:34:01.359 --> 01:34:03.600
this looks great. I have. I love James Gunn as

1498
01:34:03.600 --> 01:34:06.920
a filmmaker. I think he's great. Almost nobody talks about

1499
01:34:07.159 --> 01:34:10.239
The Suicide Squad, the remake that he did. The movie

1500
01:34:10.399 --> 01:34:12.720
made poorly the first time, and then gun came in

1501
01:34:12.800 --> 01:34:16.199
and did like a good version of it. That's just great.

1502
01:34:16.359 --> 01:34:19.640
Or if you've what is the show we Scott on HBO?

1503
01:34:19.680 --> 01:34:24.760
I can't remember Peacemaker? Okay, you mean Peacemaker is another

1504
01:34:24.840 --> 01:34:29.840
gun show, right, freaking hilarious. Right. The guy really understands

1505
01:34:29.840 --> 01:34:33.880
how to do a crazy combination of like cartoon violence

1506
01:34:33.920 --> 01:34:37.119
and humor and heart. I think, really, really, really well.

1507
01:34:37.720 --> 01:34:40.119
He exhibited that in the Guardians of the Galaxies movies.

1508
01:34:40.880 --> 01:34:43.399
I just think it looks great. This David Cornsweat guy.

1509
01:34:44.680 --> 01:34:46.680
I think he's the real deal. I think he looks great,

1510
01:34:46.760 --> 01:34:50.880
just as you know, passioned, you know, immediacy in that

1511
01:34:50.960 --> 01:34:54.680
scene with Lois Lane is just looks terrific. So I'm

1512
01:34:54.880 --> 01:34:57.520
you know, there's a whole lot of characters going on

1513
01:34:57.600 --> 01:35:01.800
in this movie, right. The green lantern that we saw

1514
01:35:01.840 --> 01:35:04.840
this one of the green lanterns. Right, It's like it's

1515
01:35:04.920 --> 01:35:06.960
like the one with the bowl cut. Right, there's one

1516
01:35:07.000 --> 01:35:11.279
of the green lanterns, Guy Gardner, who's and that's our

1517
01:35:11.319 --> 01:35:13.760
good friend from Firefly helped.

1518
01:35:13.479 --> 01:35:16.560
Me out, Eric, Yes, Nathan Fillian.

1519
01:35:16.680 --> 01:35:19.520
Yeah, Nathan Phillyan, thank you. And I'm sure he is

1520
01:35:19.560 --> 01:35:22.880
with the haircut full on comic relief, is my guess.

1521
01:35:22.680 --> 01:35:25.479
Right, Well, And and when you read the comics, Guy

1522
01:35:25.560 --> 01:35:28.720
Gardner is literally kind of off the rails, like he's

1523
01:35:28.760 --> 01:35:31.920
a he's a different kind of green Lander from hell Jordan,

1524
01:35:32.319 --> 01:35:34.079
like really different kind of green Lander.

1525
01:35:34.199 --> 01:35:35.880
Yeah, so, and they're going for that. But this is

1526
01:35:35.920 --> 01:35:38.720
the you know, you know, all the Zach Sneyner stuff

1527
01:35:38.760 --> 01:35:40.279
has kind of been put out to past you, right,

1528
01:35:40.359 --> 01:35:45.039
and they gave Gunn the entire oversight of the entire

1529
01:35:45.119 --> 01:35:48.199
New DC film franchise. So this is film number one,

1530
01:35:48.800 --> 01:35:51.720
and so this is gonna be We see hawk Girl, Yeah,

1531
01:35:51.760 --> 01:35:54.399
you see hawk Girl in there. You see Mister Terrific.

1532
01:35:54.479 --> 01:35:57.359
You see all kinds of characters. So there's a whole

1533
01:35:57.359 --> 01:36:00.760
bunch of new super you know, DC universe stuff coming, right,

1534
01:36:00.840 --> 01:36:02.520
and I'm sure there's going to be plenty of Easter

1535
01:36:02.600 --> 01:36:05.359
eggs and things to launch that in this film. But

1536
01:36:05.399 --> 01:36:08.720
it looks terrific to me. It looks really fun. The

1537
01:36:08.720 --> 01:36:11.199
main thing is I like the heart of it and

1538
01:36:11.239 --> 01:36:14.880
the fact that you know, he's he's a bit of

1539
01:36:14.880 --> 01:36:18.199
a naive guy in a cynical fu up world, right,

1540
01:36:18.560 --> 01:36:20.560
and the fact that, yeah, they brought in Crypto the

1541
01:36:20.680 --> 01:36:23.319
Dog and and and are willing to do stuff like

1542
01:36:23.359 --> 01:36:29.199
that that's more comic book oriented. I'm super optimistic. I was,

1543
01:36:29.319 --> 01:36:32.199
you know, initially, I was a little concerned that the

1544
01:36:32.279 --> 01:36:33.920
right wing was going to get all over this thing

1545
01:36:33.960 --> 01:36:36.720
because of what James Gunn said about immigrants, but it's

1546
01:36:36.760 --> 01:36:41.039
just like if you can't grasp that, I'm yeah, it's it's,

1547
01:36:41.079 --> 01:36:43.079
it's And he looks like he's kind of depicting the

1548
01:36:43.119 --> 01:36:46.239
age we live in, right, with a lot of you know,

1549
01:36:47.680 --> 01:36:51.359
rising fascism and intolerance, right, and I think that we

1550
01:36:51.399 --> 01:36:54.560
need an antidote for that. So I'm really I'm super

1551
01:36:54.560 --> 01:36:56.199
excited for this. I'm not sure how soon I can

1552
01:36:56.239 --> 01:36:59.399
see it. I still need to see Jurassic World or

1553
01:36:59.439 --> 01:37:03.000
whatever the hell it is, but I'm super excited. I

1554
01:37:03.000 --> 01:37:06.319
want to see this on the biggest Dolbey at most

1555
01:37:06.319 --> 01:37:09.439
screen I can find, and I think it's going to

1556
01:37:09.479 --> 01:37:11.439
be a winner. I'm very optimistic.

1557
01:37:12.720 --> 01:37:16.399
I agree, Paul, I agree on what are the truck

1558
01:37:16.560 --> 01:37:18.640
first thing you guys planning on going to see it

1559
01:37:18.840 --> 01:37:19.760
or think.

1560
01:37:19.880 --> 01:37:23.560
Yeah, I think there's a lot of im Yeah, there's

1561
01:37:23.600 --> 01:37:28.439
a lot. Yeah, there's a lot going on. But I

1562
01:37:28.479 --> 01:37:33.479
did see I know that the director did clap back

1563
01:37:33.640 --> 01:37:37.640
and sort of I don't know what the word is,

1564
01:37:38.039 --> 01:37:43.920
he sort of stomped on the the people who were

1565
01:37:43.960 --> 01:37:49.640
criticizing him because unfortunately, I hope I can say the

1566
01:37:49.680 --> 01:37:52.640
word woke has been totally twisted into what it was

1567
01:37:52.720 --> 01:37:57.560
meant to be. And it's basically to you care about people,

1568
01:37:57.720 --> 01:38:01.319
you want everybody to just have a a good life,

1569
01:38:01.319 --> 01:38:02.920
and you want to I just want to be a

1570
01:38:02.920 --> 01:38:07.079
decent human being. And they've just twisted it into oh

1571
01:38:07.119 --> 01:38:10.319
it's you know, they're uh, they're preaching, they're on their

1572
01:38:10.359 --> 01:38:13.880
soapbox and all this, and and he just clat back,

1573
01:38:13.920 --> 01:38:17.640
it's like, we need this, and we I agree, we

1574
01:38:17.720 --> 01:38:21.880
do need a movie that gives us hope. And that's

1575
01:38:21.880 --> 01:38:25.479
what movies have done almost since the beginning during the

1576
01:38:25.520 --> 01:38:30.520
World War two, was that surely, you know, Burley Temple

1577
01:38:30.600 --> 01:38:37.119
movies gave people escapism and they were able to, you know,

1578
01:38:37.199 --> 01:38:39.119
have a little bit of hope for that time that

1579
01:38:39.159 --> 01:38:41.880
they were in the movie theater. So if I can

1580
01:38:41.920 --> 01:38:45.159
find somebody to go with me, because I don't like

1581
01:38:45.199 --> 01:38:48.039
to go to movie theaters alone, but uh, maybe I

1582
01:38:48.079 --> 01:38:50.479
can find one of my co workers that's interested and

1583
01:38:50.479 --> 01:38:50.720
I'll go.

1584
01:38:50.920 --> 01:38:51.880
I want to go see.

1585
01:38:51.680 --> 01:38:58.560
It excellent, I'm where I'm with you V. I definitely

1586
01:38:58.560 --> 01:39:00.800
want to go see it myself for sure. And the

1587
01:39:00.800 --> 01:39:03.039
one thing I liked the scene, the scene that we

1588
01:39:03.079 --> 01:39:06.560
saw where he says people were going to die, and

1589
01:39:06.640 --> 01:39:09.520
he made the decision to stop the war. And I

1590
01:39:09.560 --> 01:39:11.760
think that's an I think that's what Eric was talking

1591
01:39:11.760 --> 01:39:15.840
about the beginning. That's an ethical question. Does Superman being

1592
01:39:15.920 --> 01:39:23.640
Superman have the the right I think Captain Kirk said

1593
01:39:23.680 --> 01:39:27.279
this too on Star Trek, to stop a war because

1594
01:39:27.319 --> 01:39:30.279
he can without going through the proper channel, just go

1595
01:39:30.319 --> 01:39:32.399
over there and say, hey, dudes, we're not going to

1596
01:39:32.439 --> 01:39:35.319
fight today, end the story, put down your guns and

1597
01:39:35.319 --> 01:39:39.039
go home. And I think that's a I think Paul's right,

1598
01:39:39.079 --> 01:39:41.439
that's something we need to look at, especially what's going

1599
01:39:41.479 --> 01:39:44.520
on today. And I did find it. Did it look

1600
01:39:44.600 --> 01:39:48.000
like those were ice agents that were attacking Superman er

1601
01:39:48.399 --> 01:39:54.680
and walking up? Yeah, as an immigrant type of deal.

1602
01:39:54.800 --> 01:39:58.960
So I'm looking forward to it for sure. So you know,

1603
01:39:59.439 --> 01:40:01.520
at this point, we could go on and on and

1604
01:40:01.560 --> 01:40:03.840
on about Superman. There's so much we could talk about.

1605
01:40:03.840 --> 01:40:07.079
But I think we've I think we've touched the tip

1606
01:40:07.079 --> 01:40:08.319
of the iceberg pretty well.

1607
01:40:08.960 --> 01:40:12.119
You got at least three people who haven't commented on

1608
01:40:12.159 --> 01:40:12.840
this trailer yet.

1609
01:40:12.920 --> 01:40:16.119
Jim, all right, well go ahead, Holy crap.

1610
01:40:17.359 --> 01:40:21.119
So excited. I just like, that's all I want to say.

1611
01:40:21.279 --> 01:40:25.079
Lex as President Superman doing what he thinks is right

1612
01:40:25.199 --> 01:40:27.079
does he have the right to do it? Crypto the

1613
01:40:27.159 --> 01:40:30.439
Dog a new Jonathan Kent. There's guide you in this movie?

1614
01:40:30.520 --> 01:40:31.239
Are you kidding me?

1615
01:40:31.640 --> 01:40:35.680
Nathan Fillian, Like he's the most amazing Firefly captain and

1616
01:40:35.720 --> 01:40:39.159
yet he's Green Lantern now amazing Guy Gardner, That's all

1617
01:40:39.159 --> 01:40:45.600
I have to say. No, Hawk Girl, I mean, Hawk

1618
01:40:45.640 --> 01:40:48.199
Girl's exciting to me. But the Green Like, I'm a

1619
01:40:48.319 --> 01:40:51.600
huge Green Lantern fan and I've read so many Green

1620
01:40:51.680 --> 01:40:55.039
Lantern books are at this point in my life. And

1621
01:40:55.119 --> 01:41:00.479
to have the like smarmy, redheaded bowl cut like Green

1622
01:41:00.560 --> 01:41:03.359
Lantern in this movie, also played by the guy from Firefly,

1623
01:41:03.520 --> 01:41:04.680
I'm just really excited.

1624
01:41:05.119 --> 01:41:08.800
I mean that's hard not to love, man, I mean, right,

1625
01:41:09.159 --> 01:41:11.520
you know there's a Green Lantern series coming too.

1626
01:41:12.039 --> 01:41:15.119
I do know a TV series coming, and I'm so excited.

1627
01:41:15.119 --> 01:41:17.279
It's like looks like a cop show kind of thing,

1628
01:41:17.319 --> 01:41:18.680
which I'm really excited about.

1629
01:41:18.760 --> 01:41:20.439
Yeah, I think there's gonna be a lot of Yeah

1630
01:41:20.600 --> 01:41:20.920
but that.

1631
01:41:20.960 --> 01:41:24.760
But that's Jordan and John Stewart like thing. It doesn't

1632
01:41:24.760 --> 01:41:27.560
have Guy Gardner. But yeah, I'm super excited about it.

1633
01:41:30.239 --> 01:41:32.640
Well, saying what about you, Charles, You're gonna go see it?

1634
01:41:32.680 --> 01:41:34.840
You're excited about it.

1635
01:41:34.960 --> 01:41:37.960
Before our Superman special, I was kind of hemmed and

1636
01:41:38.079 --> 01:41:44.239
hauled about seeing this one. I hadn't seen this specific.

1637
01:41:44.520 --> 01:41:46.800
I am seeing too many previews on this one, so

1638
01:41:46.840 --> 01:41:52.239
it's a lot darker than I expected, but it may

1639
01:41:52.319 --> 01:41:52.960
be interesting.

1640
01:41:53.199 --> 01:41:53.640
Now.

1641
01:41:54.039 --> 01:41:59.359
Something impressed me. Of about three people here who know

1642
01:41:59.560 --> 01:42:03.680
the name well of Mark Lee, he got to see

1643
01:42:03.720 --> 01:42:08.560
an early viewing of this thing and given Night point five,

1644
01:42:09.920 --> 01:42:13.079
all kind of laugh why. I said, Well, Mark, Mark

1645
01:42:13.119 --> 01:42:23.479
critiques movies like Paul, does you say you like that?

1646
01:42:23.760 --> 01:42:26.439
If he gets you Nate point five, he says it's

1647
01:42:26.439 --> 01:42:31.159
a good movie. He doesn't give movies these good ratings.

1648
01:42:31.199 --> 01:42:33.359
If he doesn't like a movie, he will give it

1649
01:42:33.399 --> 01:42:37.520
low ratings. He will be very differentt eduication that it's

1650
01:42:37.520 --> 01:42:38.640
probably well thought of.

1651
01:42:39.960 --> 01:42:40.439
Y good.

1652
01:42:40.720 --> 01:42:41.159
That's good.

1653
01:42:41.760 --> 01:42:44.640
Right, Well, it's important to have standards, you know. I

1654
01:42:44.680 --> 01:42:47.439
think you know and commit to them. So that's good.

1655
01:42:49.399 --> 01:42:51.000
Well, I guess that leaves you David.

1656
01:42:52.439 --> 01:42:59.319
Oh. I've said I I'm excited, but at the same time,

1657
01:42:59.439 --> 01:43:02.560
I'm like, I never really grew up with a lot

1658
01:43:02.600 --> 01:43:06.000
of superhero movies, and so I don't know a whole

1659
01:43:06.039 --> 01:43:08.720
lot of like their background and all that kind of stuff.

1660
01:43:08.760 --> 01:43:11.640
But it does look really full of action packs. So

1661
01:43:12.000 --> 01:43:15.800
I mean, of course, you know, nobody really wants to

1662
01:43:15.840 --> 01:43:19.159
put real life situations into a fantasy movie. So I'm

1663
01:43:19.199 --> 01:43:22.600
gonna see it for funness and the action and see

1664
01:43:22.640 --> 01:43:26.119
what happened. So will she it when I can?

1665
01:43:26.239 --> 01:43:30.600
I guess now, Paul, is that the Is that the

1666
01:43:30.880 --> 01:43:33.079
Justice League that we see in this movie?

1667
01:43:34.960 --> 01:43:36.279
No, I don't think so.

1668
01:43:36.479 --> 01:43:36.560
No.

1669
01:43:36.880 --> 01:43:39.920
I think they have another name that I've heard bandied about,

1670
01:43:39.960 --> 01:43:41.920
but I'm not going to say it here because it's

1671
01:43:41.960 --> 01:43:43.399
kind of think it kind of a I think it's

1672
01:43:43.439 --> 01:43:45.880
kind of a react to it in the movie joke thing,

1673
01:43:46.479 --> 01:43:48.680
so let's leave that. But it's not the Justice League. Yeah.

1674
01:43:48.800 --> 01:43:52.279
Justice League is typically made up of like the core

1675
01:43:52.479 --> 01:43:57.039
well you know, the trend Wonder Woman, uh, and Superman. Right,

1676
01:43:57.039 --> 01:44:00.399
but then you've got like, you know, we've never had

1677
01:44:01.000 --> 01:44:04.439
a good Martian Manhunter Man and my worship Manhunter is

1678
01:44:04.479 --> 01:44:06.960
part of the part of the Justice League, right, we

1679
01:44:07.079 --> 01:44:09.239
never really had him or Hawkman or some of the

1680
01:44:09.279 --> 01:44:12.640
other you know, lesser characters and guns a big comic guy,

1681
01:44:12.680 --> 01:44:15.039
and he's got a blank check so he could give

1682
01:44:15.079 --> 01:44:17.079
us all this stuff. And you know, I think he's

1683
01:44:17.119 --> 01:44:19.720
going to go in a different direction than than Zack

1684
01:44:19.760 --> 01:44:22.399
Snyder did. I think they they are friends. I don't

1685
01:44:22.399 --> 01:44:25.039
think they there's any enmity there, but they just have

1686
01:44:25.119 --> 01:44:28.520
different tastes. Right, It's just like, you know, I'm you know,

1687
01:44:28.600 --> 01:44:30.119
I can go out with a friend and eat a

1688
01:44:30.279 --> 01:44:32.359
meat pizza who's a vegetarian, and we're both going to

1689
01:44:32.439 --> 01:44:33.000
have a good beer.

1690
01:44:33.079 --> 01:44:33.239
Right.

1691
01:44:33.279 --> 01:44:35.079
I mean I think that's how they are, right. So

1692
01:44:35.199 --> 01:44:38.199
it's just but I'm excited. This is just the opening salvo.

1693
01:44:38.359 --> 01:44:41.479
I think they're going to do really well the Jurassic

1694
01:44:41.520 --> 01:44:43.439
World movie from what is Jurassic Park?

1695
01:44:43.560 --> 01:44:43.640
Now?

1696
01:44:43.760 --> 01:44:48.760
Right, here's the thing, right, not the greatest reviews didn't great,

1697
01:44:48.920 --> 01:44:51.359
you know, didn't do so well, right, I mean, as

1698
01:44:51.399 --> 01:44:54.680
far as critical consensus goes, I think it's considered rotten

1699
01:44:54.760 --> 01:44:57.720
on Rotten Tomatoes. Right, last I checked, they had a

1700
01:44:58.039 --> 01:45:02.319
not monster a weekend open weekend. They did huge. Okay,

1701
01:45:02.520 --> 01:45:06.640
they did huge business, right, really really a hit. And

1702
01:45:06.680 --> 01:45:11.079
with these kind of numbers for this movie, and the

1703
01:45:11.159 --> 01:45:13.359
audience score is higher than the critics score, it's going

1704
01:45:13.399 --> 01:45:15.439
to be a huge weekend for this picture. I think

1705
01:45:15.479 --> 01:45:17.520
it's going to be a colossal hit. I think people

1706
01:45:17.600 --> 01:45:19.960
are hungry for this right now. I think they really

1707
01:45:20.000 --> 01:45:22.439
need it and want it and are ready to have fun.

1708
01:45:22.920 --> 01:45:25.039
And this movie looks like fun, so I think it's

1709
01:45:25.079 --> 01:45:26.600
going to be a big hit.

1710
01:45:27.720 --> 01:45:31.560
I agree. I'm right there with you. So and again,

1711
01:45:32.119 --> 01:45:34.479
there's a lot more Superman we can talk about, but

1712
01:45:34.520 --> 01:45:37.520
we just you don't have time. I think you've done

1713
01:45:37.600 --> 01:45:38.079
quite a bit.

1714
01:45:39.760 --> 01:45:43.000
I do that one thing I wanted to mention, is

1715
01:45:43.039 --> 01:45:46.560
it okay? You know, I don't know that we're gonna

1716
01:45:46.600 --> 01:45:50.239
have time, So we may not have time to go

1717
01:45:50.279 --> 01:45:52.239
through our birthdays yet. I think we're still there's a

1718
01:45:52.279 --> 01:45:55.439
lot of I see a lot of interns running around

1719
01:45:55.439 --> 01:45:57.960
behind the Uncle Jim or you know, try to figure

1720
01:45:57.960 --> 01:45:59.880
out if we do have time to do birthdays. We

1721
01:46:00.079 --> 01:46:02.319
may not because there's a lot of you know, a

1722
01:46:02.319 --> 01:46:04.159
lot of we have a lot of interns on this show,

1723
01:46:04.159 --> 01:46:06.159
and it's hard to tell what's gonna happen. It's at

1724
01:46:07.119 --> 01:46:10.039
this so it's possible we may not get to the

1725
01:46:10.039 --> 01:46:14.399
birthday segment. I'm not sure. There is one very important

1726
01:46:14.399 --> 01:46:16.760
birthday that we do need to sort of grab the

1727
01:46:16.800 --> 01:46:20.880
emergency brake cord and pull and acknowledge. Okay, and that

1728
01:46:21.159 --> 01:46:25.039
is well. I don't know if everyone's head configuration is

1729
01:46:25.039 --> 01:46:27.159
the same as mine. But did you all know, Fellows

1730
01:46:27.199 --> 01:46:30.119
experts that one of our owners having their oh doometer

1731
01:46:30.319 --> 01:46:33.359
roll over tomorrow, and that is our good friend Eric,

1732
01:46:33.439 --> 01:46:35.399
whose birthday it is tomorrow.

1733
01:46:37.600 --> 01:46:39.439
Happy birthday.

1734
01:46:39.960 --> 01:46:42.399
So we must pour a klingon blood wine on top

1735
01:46:42.439 --> 01:46:46.000
of Eric's head right now, and we must wish him well.

1736
01:46:46.159 --> 01:46:49.279
And you know, if anyone can keep the earth spinning

1737
01:46:49.279 --> 01:46:53.399
in a harmonious and uh well that super direction, i'd

1738
01:46:53.399 --> 01:46:56.640
say it's Eric. So you know, wish him well and

1739
01:46:56.640 --> 01:46:59.680
and festoon him with regalia if you have the opportunity.

1740
01:47:00.199 --> 01:47:04.960
Chara looks fabulous. Let's just say that it's bad.

1741
01:47:06.920 --> 01:47:12.279
Slightly, and it's just it's just it's just there. It's

1742
01:47:12.279 --> 01:47:14.960
like a like a mushroom, right, and it's great.

1743
01:47:15.039 --> 01:47:17.159
It really is always there.

1744
01:47:17.279 --> 01:47:21.239
Yeah, happy birthday brother, Thanks buddy.

1745
01:47:21.920 --> 01:47:24.359
Not one of the original trek birds, but he sure

1746
01:47:24.399 --> 01:47:28.640
feels like it a long time. Let's see if I

1747
01:47:28.640 --> 01:47:32.520
can remember my trek talking history. Eric joined us right

1748
01:47:32.560 --> 01:47:36.640
around the time of GM Chris and Star Trek Attack Wing. Correct.

1749
01:47:38.039 --> 01:47:42.560
Yeah, I consider my birthday to be November twenty seventeen.

1750
01:47:43.880 --> 01:47:48.319
Yeah, so Eric's been around for quite a while. So

1751
01:47:48.399 --> 01:47:49.960
it's great, great to have you along.

1752
01:47:50.720 --> 01:47:56.920
Thanks man. So yeah, I'm looking forward to celebrating what

1753
01:47:57.039 --> 01:47:59.880
my third year in my fifth decade, it'll be.

1754
01:48:04.039 --> 01:48:12.239
Oh boy, this is I know. I can't even. I'm stupefied.

1755
01:48:14.079 --> 01:48:16.479
Whereas I'm wondering younger than I am?

1756
01:48:16.880 --> 01:48:20.600
Yeah, I mean and yeah, because I had a birthday

1757
01:48:20.640 --> 01:48:22.600
in May, and I'm just wondering, is there a filter

1758
01:48:22.720 --> 01:48:25.520
that I can get that like makes me look younger?

1759
01:48:26.119 --> 01:48:28.079
You know, it's called the Eric filter.

1760
01:48:29.760 --> 01:48:33.439
Eric, I couldn't know.

1761
01:48:33.479 --> 01:48:37.439
I can go like that. Is it Star Trek Insurrection

1762
01:48:37.960 --> 01:48:41.000
where they stretched their faces right.

1763
01:48:42.560 --> 01:48:43.560
Like the movie Brazil?

1764
01:48:45.159 --> 01:48:48.600
Yeah, yeah, Catherine helm but she's got Yeah that that movie.

1765
01:48:48.680 --> 01:48:51.520
That movie freaked me out. When I saw this, I

1766
01:48:51.520 --> 01:48:52.039
can think.

1767
01:48:51.880 --> 01:48:56.439
About when I saw Insurrection, I'm like, oh boy, yeah,

1768
01:48:56.800 --> 01:48:58.520
Williams Lawyer is on the phone right.

1769
01:48:58.880 --> 01:49:04.520
Yeah, that is a disturbing movie. That is a disturbing movie.

1770
01:49:05.680 --> 01:49:06.239
Disturbing.

1771
01:49:06.920 --> 01:49:11.880
Yeah. After that, speaking of birthdays, you're you're ready to

1772
01:49:12.119 --> 01:49:13.479
ready to do some Trek birthdays.

1773
01:49:15.640 --> 01:49:17.039
It looks like we're gonna roll through it.

1774
01:49:17.439 --> 01:49:33.119
Let's see if we can roll through it, We'll see

1775
01:49:36.399 --> 01:49:39.279
that was not a song, all right, guys, this is

1776
01:49:39.279 --> 01:49:40.680
a part of the show where we do our Star

1777
01:49:40.720 --> 01:49:43.399
Trek birthdays, and we always start off with those members

1778
01:49:43.399 --> 01:49:45.840
of our Star Trek family who, sadly enough, are no

1779
01:49:45.960 --> 01:49:48.640
longer with us, and for that we turn to our

1780
01:49:48.800 --> 01:49:51.680
very own birthday boy himself, Eric.

1781
01:49:52.680 --> 01:49:55.159
All Right, guys, we're gonna just sort of read through

1782
01:49:55.159 --> 01:50:00.600
our remembrances this week, no extra info. Happy Birthday to WILLIAMS. Shallard,

1783
01:50:00.760 --> 01:50:04.399
the actor who played Nils Barris in the TOS second

1784
01:50:04.399 --> 01:50:08.319
season episode The Trouble with Triples and also played Varani

1785
01:50:08.680 --> 01:50:13.039
in the DS nine second season episode Sanctuary. Happy Birthday,

1786
01:50:13.640 --> 01:50:17.760
Happy Birthday, as well to Ward Costello, the actor who

1787
01:50:17.800 --> 01:50:21.680
played Gregory Quinn in the TNG first season episode Coming

1788
01:50:21.720 --> 01:50:27.119
of Age and also played that played a character in Conspiracy,

1789
01:50:27.560 --> 01:50:31.039
Happy Birthday, Happy Birthday, as well to Bruce French, the

1790
01:50:31.159 --> 01:50:35.840
veteran actor who played Sabine Genestra in the TNG four

1791
01:50:35.960 --> 01:50:41.199
season episode The Drumhead. Also played an o'compan doctor in

1792
01:50:41.279 --> 01:50:45.399
Voyager's first season episode Caretaker, and a sona doctor in

1793
01:50:45.520 --> 01:50:51.479
Star Trek Insurrection. Finally played a Vulcan elder in the

1794
01:50:51.680 --> 01:50:56.119
Enterprise first season episode The Andorian Incident. Happy Birthday, to you.

1795
01:50:56.880 --> 01:50:59.720
Happy birthday as well to Tim O'Connor, the veteran actor

1796
01:50:59.760 --> 01:51:04.319
who appeared as Ambassador Briam in the TNG fifth season

1797
01:51:04.319 --> 01:51:09.079
episode The Perfect Mate, best known as doctor Elias Huer

1798
01:51:09.279 --> 01:51:11.920
on the classic science fiction series Buck Rogers in the

1799
01:51:11.920 --> 01:51:14.079
twenty fifth century. I have so much more to say

1800
01:51:14.079 --> 01:51:16.079
about these people, but we don't have time right now.

1801
01:51:16.640 --> 01:51:20.119
Brock Peters also has a birthday this week. Veteran actor

1802
01:51:20.159 --> 01:51:24.399
of stage, film and television. He played Admiral Cartwright in

1803
01:51:24.479 --> 01:51:27.680
Star Trek for the Voyage Home and also Star Trek

1804
01:51:27.680 --> 01:51:32.279
sixth The Undiscovered Country, and later portrayed Joseph Cisco on

1805
01:51:32.399 --> 01:51:36.319
Deep Space nine. Happy birthday to Brock Peters. And last,

1806
01:51:36.319 --> 01:51:40.600
but not least, on the remembrance list, we have veteran

1807
01:51:40.680 --> 01:51:45.239
actor Ron Glass, who appeared in a Star Trek Voyager

1808
01:51:45.319 --> 01:51:49.399
episode called Nightingale. Also appeared as a detective Ron Harris

1809
01:51:49.439 --> 01:51:53.000
in the television series Barney Miller, but I know him

1810
01:51:53.119 --> 01:51:59.319
as Shepherd Book from the most awesome one season series Firefly.

1811
01:52:00.039 --> 01:52:02.680
If you have not read the Firefly books, of which

1812
01:52:02.720 --> 01:52:06.439
I believe there are nine, you should read them, because

1813
01:52:06.760 --> 01:52:11.720
there's not just one series one season of Firefly. There

1814
01:52:11.720 --> 01:52:15.039
are nine books, and all but the Una McCormick one

1815
01:52:15.720 --> 01:52:17.680
are really good, and I'm sorry that she wrote the

1816
01:52:17.680 --> 01:52:18.920
worst one, but it's true.

1817
01:52:19.000 --> 01:52:20.800
These different than the comics.

1818
01:52:21.000 --> 01:52:24.000
Oh yeah, dude, there is a whole series of novels

1819
01:52:24.079 --> 01:52:27.079
written by various people who write the novels, like the

1820
01:52:27.159 --> 01:52:32.560
David Mack types and stuff not like uh oh no,

1821
01:52:32.680 --> 01:52:35.920
there there are nine books and you should read them.

1822
01:52:35.960 --> 01:52:38.359
Like I said, Una McCormick feels like she wrote hers

1823
01:52:38.399 --> 01:52:43.159
on a weekend, like away somewhere for whatever reason. Typically

1824
01:52:43.199 --> 01:52:46.079
she's really awesome. Hers is by far the worst one,

1825
01:52:46.119 --> 01:52:48.199
but the other eight are really really good, so you

1826
01:52:48.239 --> 01:52:49.520
should read them.

1827
01:52:49.840 --> 01:52:52.039
I like that, Candor man, That's that is my kind

1828
01:52:52.079 --> 01:52:52.760
of just saying.

1829
01:52:52.840 --> 01:52:54.760
She was on the She was on the podcast, and

1830
01:52:54.800 --> 01:52:58.439
I love McCormick, like deeply in my soul love her,

1831
01:52:58.800 --> 01:53:01.640
but her book was not was a piece. So there

1832
01:53:01.680 --> 01:53:03.920
you go, Paul, take it away, buddy.

1833
01:53:05.880 --> 01:53:11.159
Or how about I'll take it away.

1834
01:53:11.600 --> 01:53:12.520
Next, take it away?

1835
01:53:13.039 --> 01:53:17.119
All right, let's do a Happy birthday to Earl Bing Billings,

1836
01:53:17.680 --> 01:53:21.159
actress who played Admiral Thomas Henry and tnng's fourth season

1837
01:53:21.199 --> 01:53:28.039
episode Drumhead. Happy Birthday to Robert Kneppler, actress who played

1838
01:53:29.640 --> 01:53:34.520
Wyatt Miller and TNG's first season episode Haven and Golly

1839
01:53:34.600 --> 01:53:39.359
and Voyager six season episode Dragon Teeth. Hapby birthday to

1840
01:53:39.439 --> 01:53:45.760
Billy Campbell, actress who played cd M o'conna in TNG's

1841
01:53:45.800 --> 01:53:50.159
second season al Rageous O'Connor thirty years later replayed his

1842
01:53:50.279 --> 01:53:55.319
role in three episodes of Star Trek Prodigy. Happy Berton

1843
01:53:55.399 --> 01:54:01.159
and Micah Burton, actress who played Alan dre LaForge in

1844
01:54:01.199 --> 01:54:05.079
the third season of Star Trek Pericard. Happy birthday to

1845
01:54:05.079 --> 01:54:11.479
Emily Coats, Canadian actress who played Key Detmer in Star

1846
01:54:11.560 --> 01:54:18.319
Trek Discovery. Happy Birthday, domic Keaton, actress that played Ensign

1847
01:54:19.119 --> 01:54:23.760
played Enterprises Annexes one Armory Officer Lieutenant Malcolm Reid and

1848
01:54:23.840 --> 01:54:29.479
Star Trek Enterprise. Happy birthday to Lynda parks Park, actress

1849
01:54:29.479 --> 01:54:34.600
who played communication officer Ensign oh She Sato in Star

1850
01:54:34.640 --> 01:54:40.119
Trek Enterprise. Born in Seoul, Korea, South Korea. Paul, who's

1851
01:54:40.159 --> 01:54:40.840
on your list?

1852
01:54:43.359 --> 01:54:46.159
Thank you, some commenter, Charles, I appreciate it. First of all,

1853
01:54:46.199 --> 01:54:50.279
let's give it up to birthday Dennis and Kurt Woods Smith,

1854
01:54:50.600 --> 01:54:54.399
the awesome, awesome actor who played Federation President in Star

1855
01:54:54.479 --> 01:54:58.800
Trek sixth The Undiscovered Country, Thranks in Deep Space nine

1856
01:54:58.880 --> 01:55:05.800
fifth season episode Past in Voyager's fourth season episodes Hell

1857
01:55:05.920 --> 01:55:09.479
Part two, which we love, and voiced Imperium Magistrate clar

1858
01:55:09.800 --> 01:55:12.760
in The Star Trek Lower Decks first season episode Veritas.

1859
01:55:13.399 --> 01:55:15.520
I will always think of him though, as the most

1860
01:55:15.560 --> 01:55:19.279
awesome villain in maybe all of movie history. In RoboCop

1861
01:55:19.359 --> 01:55:23.159
Clarence Bodeger, who made his entrance by spitting blood on

1862
01:55:23.199 --> 01:55:26.119
the booking desk of a police station and saying, defiantly,

1863
01:55:26.800 --> 01:55:30.479
just give him my fucking phone call.

1864
01:55:30.520 --> 01:55:30.720
I know.

1865
01:55:30.760 --> 01:55:34.640
That's how I was introduced to Kermit Smith. He's awesome.

1866
01:55:35.079 --> 01:55:38.239
Happy birthday to you, sir, you are a legend. Happy

1867
01:55:38.239 --> 01:55:41.279
birthday to Saul Rubinek, German born Canadian actor played Kivis

1868
01:55:41.319 --> 01:55:44.800
Fajo in the Next Gen third season episode The Most Toys.

1869
01:55:45.600 --> 01:55:48.079
Tends to refer to people as his possessions, which I

1870
01:55:48.119 --> 01:55:50.920
think is not a cool thing. Happy birthday to the

1871
01:55:51.039 --> 01:55:55.239
luminous Kim Darby actress who played Mary in first season

1872
01:55:55.279 --> 01:55:59.720
episode with the same name. The titular character Mary but

1873
01:55:59.800 --> 01:56:02.079
all so really super famous for being in the great

1874
01:56:02.119 --> 01:56:06.319
John Wayne movie True Grit. So definitely always great we

1875
01:56:06.399 --> 01:56:09.359
see all these phenomenal stars that was on Star Trek

1876
01:56:09.399 --> 01:56:12.680
as well. Happy birthday to Scott Grimes, actor musician who

1877
01:56:12.680 --> 01:56:17.279
appeared as Eric in Next Genarisian third season evolution and

1878
01:56:18.239 --> 01:56:21.319
the phenomenally cool I believe VI has spent some time

1879
01:56:21.359 --> 01:56:27.840
with this individual. We Alan Rock actually played Captain John

1880
01:56:27.840 --> 01:56:31.159
Harriman in Star Trek generations, most recognizable for his roles

1881
01:56:31.199 --> 01:56:33.960
as Karen Frank, Faris Buela's hypogondery best friend and Faris

1882
01:56:34.000 --> 01:56:36.279
Bueller's day. When are we getting all those new things

1883
01:56:36.279 --> 01:56:43.600
installed in our starship? Captain Harriman? Tuesday you for play

1884
01:56:44.319 --> 01:56:49.119
and Happy birthday to the weird, strange part of Star

1885
01:56:49.199 --> 01:56:54.520
Trek Voyager alternate universe Almost wasn't kind of situation. The

1886
01:56:54.640 --> 01:57:01.039
lovely and famous Genevieve Boujol from Quebec, Montreal, French Canadian actress.

1887
01:57:01.560 --> 01:57:04.560
She was the first choice of the producers of Star

1888
01:57:04.640 --> 01:57:10.159
Trek Voyager to play then called Captain Nicole Jane Way,

1889
01:57:10.239 --> 01:57:14.399
which is kind of strange, and later to be recast

1890
01:57:14.920 --> 01:57:19.960
and renamed Captain Catherine Janeway. She actually did a day

1891
01:57:19.960 --> 01:57:23.119
and a half or so of shooting and then let's

1892
01:57:23.239 --> 01:57:29.600
just say there were creative differences. And I mean, if you.

1893
01:57:29.600 --> 01:57:33.239
See her screen test, you can't possibly imagine her playing

1894
01:57:33.760 --> 01:57:35.399
go to YouTube.

1895
01:57:35.439 --> 01:57:38.079
Stuff out there. It is nuts. It is not It

1896
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is really wild. I mean no offense to Boujeol. There's

1897
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been some phenomenal movies, but man, it was just yeah,

1898
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you just it's just crazy. What can happen in show business? Guys,

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it's just nuts. It's just you know, you know, you

1900
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don't like what's happening. Wait five minutes. It's just nuts.

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So yeah, happy birthday to you. And what stories you

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could tell us. We'd love to get you on the

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show and have you tell us what really happened. I

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01:58:03.920 --> 01:58:06.640
think that would be time well spent. But you know,

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let's hand it over to that crazy klingon forehead buried,

1906
01:58:13.840 --> 01:58:17.760
you know, out of control like Star Trek five eleven impresario.

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He who is Uncle Jim.

1908
01:58:20.920 --> 01:58:22.800
Well, before we move on, I just want to say

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that they almost had her show up on Lower Decks

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when they had that time travel Ultimate Universe thing go on.

1911
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They reached out to her to have her come on

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as Jane Way and they couldn't make it happen. So

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we almost got We almost got to see her for

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real in Star Trek, but it didn't happen all right, guys,

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I only have three birthdays. I like to keep the

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Klingons for myself. So the first one we want to

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say Happy birthday. And cop Laid Latif, who is the

1918
01:58:54.279 --> 01:58:56.720
British actor who played Ash Tyler in the first and

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second season to start to Discovery. He also played the

1920
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King on the and we see him quite a bit

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as a Klingon human half freed. I guess is the

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word you would say. She's a Klingon trapped and a

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human body. So happy birthday. This next one, I'm gonna

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try to squeeze him if we want to say Happy

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birthday to Von Armstrong. He's a veteran Star Trek actor

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01:59:21.640 --> 01:59:24.600
who was noted for portraying twelve separate characters in It's

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01:59:24.640 --> 01:59:27.239
one of the eight episodes over for a separate series.

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Armstrong is one of only five actors to play seven

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or more different characters in the Star Trek franchise, the

1930
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others being Jeffrey Combe, Brandy Odley, j g Hertzler, Tom Morga,

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01:59:40.680 --> 01:59:46.600
Dennis Madelone, Leslie Hoffman, and Thomas Capachi. His characters include

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a human, a Romulan, a former Borg, a Vidian, a Christian,

1933
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a Herogin, two Kardassians, three Klingons. However, he's probably best

1934
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known for his recurring role as Admiral Maxwell Forrest, one

1935
01:59:58.359 --> 02:00:02.279
of the Good Admirals, and Trek Enterprise. For me, though,

1936
02:00:02.840 --> 02:00:05.479
I'm going to call him out for playing Captain Chorus

1937
02:00:05.479 --> 02:00:07.920
and one of my favorite first season episodes of TNG,

1938
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part of Glory. He also played Chorus and the Voyager

1939
02:00:13.239 --> 02:00:16.399
episode Endgame. He's the one that gives Jane Way that

1940
02:00:16.560 --> 02:00:20.239
time traveling thing there that they used, And of course

1941
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he was a Klingon Captain and Enterprise episode Sleeping Dogs,

1942
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and I squeezed him in and we're just about out

1943
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of time. But I got the last one here who's

1944
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not a Klingon. But I just love her to death.

1945
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We want to say happy birthday to Jamie Lee Curtis,

1946
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and yes she is in Star Trek. She appeared in

1947
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section thirty one as Control, but she's best known for

1948
02:00:42.000 --> 02:00:45.840
appearing as Laurie Strode in the Hollogeen Halloween franchise. She

1949
02:00:46.000 --> 02:00:48.840
was also played a myriad of the characters, but I

1950
02:00:48.920 --> 02:00:53.439
remember her playing with Arnold Schwarzenegger in True lies. She

1951
02:00:53.600 --> 02:00:56.600
was recently in well, she's been in a lot of

1952
02:00:56.600 --> 02:00:58.840
stuff and we're pretty much out of time. But yeah, Jamie, Lee,

1953
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Curtis Happy and the guys. That wraps up our show.

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We squeezed it into the two hours we made it.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, Happy birthday to Eric as well. So happy birthday

1957
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to Eric. And that wraps it up. So I want

1958
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to say thank you so much to Victoria for hanging

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out and trek talking with us.

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Thank you, Thanks for having me.

1961
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You're always always welcome. There's always a seat at the

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trek Talking table for you, and thank you.

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You can't get rid of me anyway, so.

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No, you're stuck with us or we're all right, okay it.

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And thank you to Charles for hanging out in trek

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talking with us as well. Thank you, Charles, Thank you.

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And I always enjoy talking about not only track but

1968
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getting a chance to talk about superheroes.

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A lot of fun. And thank you to Eric for

1970
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hanging out and trek talking with us as well. Thank you, Eric.

1971
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You beg guys, take care.

1972
02:01:53.119 --> 02:01:55.159
And thank you to David for hanging out and making

1973
02:01:55.159 --> 02:01:57.720
these awesome slide shows for us. Thank you, thank you,

1974
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thank you David. Yeah, been a lot of fun, and

1975
02:02:01.439 --> 02:02:03.479
I saved the best for last. Thank you so much

1976
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to Paul for recommending yet another great Superman show. Thank

1977
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you so much, Paul.

1978
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I just hope that we can all come together and

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help create a better world with truth and justice and

1980
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a less than American way, more of a humanistic way.

1981
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But yeah, really super fun to talk about this. And

1982
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you know, we talk about comics and TV and all

1983
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the stuff on this show, so but Superman's like as

1984
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American as it gets and it's part of our history,

1985
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part of our icons. So great to be able to

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talk about it.

1987
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I would like to get together again and we can

1988
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all share our thoughts on the new Superman movie, which

1989
02:02:40.079 --> 02:02:42.039
I believe comes out tomorrow. Correct.

1990
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Yeah, they they had a special early shows tonight, so

1991
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people are seeing it. So yeah, it's it's it's out there,

1992
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it's loose.

1993
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Yeah, we definitely got to see it and talk about

1994
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it on the podcast for sure. And yeah, next next week,

1995
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the same Bat time, same BAT channel, we have Strange

1996
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New World for two episodes will be airing, but we

1997
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will be talking about those, so the following we give

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our fans a chance to watch it. So that's that

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I'm the most excellent.

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What are we talking about next week, Uncle Jim?

2001
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Next week, I thought that we would go back and

2002
02:03:12.680 --> 02:03:15.439
do kind of a recap of Strange New world Season

2003
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two to get everybody primed for season three. And Susan

2004
02:03:21.600 --> 02:03:24.039
Lang is going to be on you guys, my I

2005
02:03:24.159 --> 02:03:26.800
remember her from Confab. We had her on last year

2006
02:03:27.520 --> 02:03:29.880
and she's doing her second convention and she wanted to

2007
02:03:29.880 --> 02:03:32.439
come on and talk about that, so she'll be on

2008
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with us as well. And then we'll just go back

2009
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and revisit Strange New Worlds and get everybody pumped for

2010
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the new season, and then we'll dive right into Strange

2011
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New Worlds for the next nine weeks after that. All right, well,

2012
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I'll be most excellent host, Uncle Jim. Please everybody stay safe,

2013
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be good to each other. Members start Treuk fans are

2014
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the best fans. Everybody stay safe and live long and prosper.

2015
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Good night. Everybody, live long and prospered for departure, Sir,

2016
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some problem, Riker. I'm just hoping this isn't the usual

2017
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way ourmissions will go, sir, Oh no, number one. I'm

2018
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sure most will be.

2019
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Much more interesting. Let's see what's out there.

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Engage yeah,