Jan. 3, 2025

Episode 616- Star Trek: Lower Decks "Fissure Quest" review

Episode 616- Star Trek: Lower Decks "Fissure Quest" review

On this episode of Trek Talking, Uncle Jim and his cohosts discuss various aspects of Star Trek, particularly focusing on the Lower Decks series and the Enterprise episode 'Cogenitor'. In this episode, the hosts delve into the ethical dilemmas faced...

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Star Trek Lower Decks

On this episode of Trek Talking, Uncle Jim and his cohosts discuss various aspects of Star Trek, particularly focusing on the Lower Decks series and the Enterprise episode 'Cogenitor'. In this episode, the hosts delve into the ethical dilemmas faced by characters in Star Trek, focusing on choices made by Marla McGivers and their implications. They share fan reactions and ratings for the fithh season episode of Lower Decks "Fissure Quest". The conversation culminates in a discussion about the multiverse concept and its relevance in the Star Trek universe. The conversation also includes a heartfelt tribute to Star Trek legends, particularly Nichelle Nichols, and celebrates current actors in the franchise. discussing the legacy of Klingon warriors, the upcoming Section 31 movie, concerns regarding the delay of Star Trek IV, Kate Mulgrew's conditions for a potential return as Janeway, and the ongoing debate about the need for new stories in the franchise. The conversation highlights the passion and dedication of Star Trek fans while exploring the challenges and opportunities facing the beloved series.

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Ki's and trekkers around the globe. Welcome to Trek Talk

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and this is episode six hundred and sixteen. I'm your

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most excellent host, Uncle Jim. We've got a great show

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planned for you guys tonight, so stick around. Let's cue

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the intro and we'll dive right in there. We go, well,

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good evening, Trekies and trekkers around the globe. This is

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live and that's why we have these little debacles like that.

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I tested the theme song before the show and it

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worked fine. And when it came time to go, why

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it did it? It's those gremlins. What can I tell you?

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As I said, I'm your most excellent host, Uncle Jim,

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Welcome to Trek Talking. I want to introduce you guys

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to my awesome truk sports. We'll start off with Eric.

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Eric's out in Portland. Ay, you doing tonight?

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Eric doing pretty good? Man back in the saddle, had

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a couple of weeks vacation, got to spend it with

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family over the new Year, and you know, just had

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to adjust those unobserved glue on cores to make sure

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I got back in one piece.

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And here I am ready for some trek talking. Absolutely,

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and we also have David, my my miracle worker, my

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mister Scottie, and he's also out in Portland. I think

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it's the water. How you doing, David?

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I forgot to bring my water.

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That's okay. You got the warp cor though, right, yeah, okay.

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And also we have with us and Paul's not with us,

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my other Portland contingent. He'll be with us again next

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week hopefully, but we have out in Las Vegas. We

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have our very own Charles. How you doing tonight, Charles

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a Ema.

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So it's flickering a little bit, but hanging in there.

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I know, Charles, you'll haven't seen it a tiny bit,

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just a little bit.

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That's okay. Maybe we can edit that out later. I

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don't know. We'll get Scotty to work his magic. So, uh, Tonight,

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we're going to be talking about Star Trek Lower decks

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vis request. Next week we're going to be doing the

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new next generation that'll wrap up Star Trek Lower Decks,

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and then we're going to be talking to Tim Rust

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mister Tubac himself. If you have any questions for Tim,

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please head over to our Trek Talking page at trek

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Talking dot com. Click on a little blue talkback Mike,

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which you'll see in the bottom right hand corner. Leave

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your message for mister Russ and we will play it

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live on the show and have him answer it. So

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please please do that. If not only that, you can

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visit Trek Talking dot com is all kinds of great

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stuff there you can help support the podcast. We have

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a new Patreon page thanks to Charles Trek Talking Podcast,

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membership fees start at only two dollars a month. Come on, guys,

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two dollars a month. I will say one thing. We

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are now doing video as well as audio. The only

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from the show that you can see, but if you

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become a member, and then you can watch a complete show,

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Lynn from Facebook called me on Christmas morning, that's right,

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Christmas morning and told me that they're still trying to

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work on why the AI doesn't like us, because they

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don't want too. What she explained to me is the

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they don't want to put the page, turn the page

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back on, just have the AI take it back down.

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the AI doesn't like and fix it so that when

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they put the page live again, it's not going to

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immediately be taken down. And I can get that, but

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come on, people, it's been two months Facebook, You get

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your heads out of your asses and fix the damn

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thing already. Come on. So that's why our Facebook page

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is still down. It's that damn AI that they've hired.

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It's just doesn't know what it's doing. So anyways, as

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I already said, we're gonna have Tim Russ on January sixteenth,

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to head over to Tuck Talking dot com and lead

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where you're listening from. I also do our polls there.

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Since Facebook AI is being dinky, I've had to be

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creative so you can find poll questions and all the

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things that used to find in one place, which was

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on our Facebook page all over the place, like on Instagram,

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like on Tumblr, like on Blue Sky, and it's everywhere.

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Those links to those links where you can find us,

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you can find on my personal Facebook page because I'm

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using that as a pseudo tek Talking page for the

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time being until the AI gets us fixed up. So

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you can still participate in our polls and tell us

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where you're listening from, just like you always did. You

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just got to dig a little deeper and look a

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little harder. It's not all in one place conveniently at

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your fingertips, because this new Facebook AI really sucks. So,

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without any further adoude, Eric, would you like to get

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us started with this week's fan shout outs?

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Sure would, and thank you fans for sticking with us

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as we go through Facebook limbo with an AI that

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hates us. I feel like we're all going to get there. Someday,

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eventually AI will hate us all, but today is not

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that day. So our very first fan shout out this

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week goes out to Klaus steel Planner, who's saying hello

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to us from deutsch Lan, Germany and sending us to

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that live long and prosper and a nice little antsy

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emoji there, which I'm absolutely positive is what grabbed Jim's attention.

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Thank you, Klaus for supporting our podcast, and good nabin

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to you. Luis Hario. We are saying hello to you,

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and he is saying hello to us from the Milky

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Way in the Irian arm saw third planet from the Sun.

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Also London, England, one of my favorite cities on the planet,

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also sending us a live long and prosper hand and

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a little planetiery symbol there. Luis Hario, thank you so

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much for saying hello to us. We really do appreciate

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the support from all of our listeners just across the

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Also saying hello this week to Michelle Rousseau, who sang

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hello to us from Angry Italy. Italy is also a

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fantastic place to be on this Planet and Michelle, I'm

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sure you know that I don't need to tell you

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what you already know, but thank you so much for

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sporting our podcast and livelong and prosper to you. And

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last on my list is Alfonso Antonio realist Bilbao who

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sang hello to us from La Pause, Olivia. And Alfonso,

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guess what, buddy, you are the first Trek Talking fan

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to say hello to us from Bolivia. So thank you

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so much for adding one more country to our list.

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Pretty exciting, Charles E.

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Japan Boy.

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Eric, let's start off with a more greeting to James

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Webb from Indiana. Welcome James, top fan and I don't

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think this is their real name. Doc from podcast Hughes

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of Science Fiction and Fantasy from Northern California. Welcome top

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fan Merroll Jakins from Cedar City, Montana.

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Welcome Meryll.

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And last on my list, welcome Greg Carroll from Oklahoma.

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We hope Greg is okay. David, who's on your list?

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Yeah, I would like to say thank you and welcome

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to a top fan James Robinson from Lindo, Texas. I

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hope you're actually having a fun time out there. And

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next time my list is David Boucher from Minnesota, my hometown,

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and next time my list is from Washington State, Roxanne Waters,

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and I have another top fan, Jeffrey Wilson from Wooster, Ohio.

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Thank you all for participating, and yeah, I guess I'll

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pass it on to Paul, but Paul's not here. Have

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we decided who's gonna do it?

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I think that's me.

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I think it's going to fall to Eric. That's right, Eric,

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and I'm definitely no Paul.

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Well, hello as well this week to top fan Samantha Rowana,

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who's saying hello to us from Basingstoke, Hampshire in England.

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Another one of those supporters just across the pond proudly

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flying that Union Jack flag. Thanks Samantha for listening to

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our podcast. Top fan Rajit Sengal is saying hello to

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us from New Delhi in India. What I learned from

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trivia this past weekend playing games with family is that

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you live in the second most populous city on the planet.

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So that's pretty exciting. Rajit, Thank you so much for

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flying our flag over there. Top fan Andre Gore is

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saying hello to us from Capella on de Soul in Holland.

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Which of course is otherwise known as the Netherlands. Thanks

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Andre for saying hello from the Netherlands and laughed. But

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not least on Paul list is Rebecca Gonzales Tires say

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hello to us from Madrid, stain a most beautiful city.

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Peace and long life to you, Rebecca.

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Jim a translator over here.

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For sure.

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Who you got Jim so on my list? I want

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to I have a top fan, Joe Anthony, who's listening

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to us in the Big Apple, New York, New York.

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Thank you for listening, Joe Anthony, top fan. I also

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have another top fan, Doug Graham, who's listening to us

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in Lewistown in Indiana, Idaho.

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The other I state, I.

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Need some new glasses. Actually, what I gotta do is

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make this a little bit bigger. There we go. And

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we also want to say thank you to Roger Hernandez

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who was listening to us in Mexico City, Mexico, flying

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the Mexican flag proudly. And last but not least, Cat

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Gardner who's listening to what wasn't Springfield, Missouri. So thank

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you so much, guys. We could never do the show

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without you, guys. And now it's time for our Star

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Trek polls, which means there we go. I don't know.

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I would have been breaking into the klingon the kling

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On blood wine myself.

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It was harder to rhyme. That's the only reason it

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didn't make it in. Yeah, I would have gone with

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the kling on blood blood Wine. No, I don't know.

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I guess I could have done it.

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No, it works. I like it at any rate. Guys,

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as I said, you have to look a little bit

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harder and dig a little bit deeper, but you will

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find the poll questions floating around out there. So yeah,

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it was a lot easier when it was all in

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one place. But it's not so Eric. You want to

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get us started with our pole questions for this Yeah.

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We got a couple of good poll questions this week

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that aren't just landslides, So I'm excited about that. In

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the enterprise episode, Cojenitor, Trip finds discrimination against a third

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gender who commits suicide, his Trip responsible for their suicide,

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and twenty three percent of our listeners said that Trip

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was responsible for the suicide in Cogenitor, and seventy seven

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percent said he was not responsible. Jim, what was the

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genesis of this. Oh, I'm very excited to hear that.

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Well, basically, if you don't remember the episode, there was

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a race that had took three people, and the third

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person was treated as less than human and they weren't

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even allowed to go to school. They were like a.

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Like I don't know, just for the reproduction process. Essentially,

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they were worthless.

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They didn't get they didn't get a name, they weren't educated,

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they were treated like they were less than human. And

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when this and I don't remember what the name of

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the race was, I should have put that in the poll.

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When this particular race came aboard the Enterprise and trip

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met this person and opened up her eyes their eyes

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to the world and started educating them. And she's and

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he they, I'm still not used to that.

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I'm you got a singular they you could do it.

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I'm getting there, okay. When when they saw what the

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world had to offer and what they and the rest

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of their people were being denied, the Visians there you go,

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the Visians, Uh, they committed suicide rather than go back

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to the situation that they came from. And so I

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I have a friend actually who was talking about this,

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and it interested me, and I thought well, let's throw

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a pull question out there and see what the fans think.

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So that's that's where that came from.

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Yeah, I mean, I think it's a really interesting question

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because the so the Vissian who Trip, you know, essentially

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started to educated you know, So with your head in

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the sand, your knowledge is low, but your safety is high, right,

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And as soon as you pull your head out of

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the sand, your safety goes down, but your knowledge and

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enlightenment goes up. So could Trip have ever known that

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that would drive this person to not want to go

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back to their situation. No, of course not. In fact,

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just like most of the humans on Enterprise, he feels

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like he's doing the right thing. But I also think

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that Trip and Archer and all those people, when they

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start their journey, they are absolutely looking at the universe

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from a human perspective, and it takes all five seasons

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for them to kind of realize that that's a one

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dimensional way of looking at the universe. And so is

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Trip partially responsible for their suicide? I think probably yes.

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Did he still do the right thing by educating them?

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Probably yes, that's my opinion.

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Well, I think Enterprise is overlooked a lot because Enterprise

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didn't have the prime directors, so there was a lot

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of times when and it always seemed to be Trip

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that was getting involved in.

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These freaking cowboy you know.

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He you know they did. It wouldn't have seen on

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other Star Trek shows simply for that reason. And so yeah,

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I thought this was a great question. I thought it

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was a great episode. And I agree with you, Eric.

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I think that Trip did what anybody would have done

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in that situation. And I think that Tripp felt that

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he was bettering their situation by enlightening them and educating

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them into what the world has to offer, kind of

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like like they did with Hugh the Borg in the

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Iborg episode of TNG, hoping that they would go back

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to their people, and that just sounds so weird to

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me saying it that way. But when they go back

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to their people, that they would be enlightened as well,

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and that they would all learn from them.

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And you know and social revolution.

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Yes, become the the individuals that they should be. And

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I don't think that Trip could have ever anticipated the

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effect that that would have, and that they would would

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choose death rather than going back to subservience. So I

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think that he thought he was doing the right thing.

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Yeah, that's and that's one of the things I love

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about Enterprise, as you guys know, is that the crew

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starts out season one making all kinds of mistakes. Right,

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They are constantly making mistakes, sticking their fingers and pies

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where they don't belong, and they learn and they change

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and they grow, and that really is the essence of

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Star Trek. You can make mistakes, and you can better yourself,

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and you can start to look at the world from

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other people's perspective.

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And I did think that the Visians themselves were dicks.

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I mean, the way they treated them was just like.

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But Jim, that's from your human perspective too, right, that's

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not from their cultural perspective.

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So I tell they treated them like worse than I

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would treat my dog, the Athlea. I love you, and

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I would never do that to you. But I mean,

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you know, they were just they were just cruel. They

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were heartless, they were demeaning. They just didn't even look

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at this individual, this person as anything at all, like

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just a piece of worthless garbage. And you know, they

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were kind of Ding's kind of like those drug dealers

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and that other TNG episode that we talked about there

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Who's I can't remember right now, but at any rate,

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I think I don't think the trip could have known

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what the outcome was, So I really I don't think

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that he was directly responsible for her him their suicide.

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Job. You made it, you made good job, Get it right.

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I'll get it right.

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You know what it is? You know, my wife and

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I were talking about this over the vacation, and you know,

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it's not that it's not that you don't want to

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honor people's wishes. It's just that I was not taught

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that way. Yeah, It's like it's like it's like stopping

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in a green light and going on a red light.

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You know. It rained with they and them to be

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like you and I like more than one person. And

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when an individual wants to be referred to that way,

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my brain is saying stop, no, wait, that's not right.

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That's not the word to use. And my brain falls

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back to what I've been taught and it's hard to

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change that. And I don't do it out of disrespect.

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I just do it because I was That's how I

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was taught. So I'm trying. I'm really, So, what do

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you think David did? Did trip did trip kill this

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poor person or what? What do you think?

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I think it's a little bit of both. I kind

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of agree with both of you. I agree with Eric

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Fresher when it comes to like the cultural aspect of

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the race, because that's how they gain babies, right, I mean,

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that's how they populate their culture. Show. Yes, in a sense,

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she was just because of the fact that he tried

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to make it uh interfered in the ways inno sense.

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But at the same time, no, because I agree with you.

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At the same time, Jim, that's saying that he had

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no outcome or he didn't have any knowledge of the outcome.

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So to me, I I'm definitely probably more or less

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saying that he.

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Was.

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Yes, he was responsible because she interfered, but at the

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same time, no, he wasn't because of the fact that

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he just you know, they're learning, they're they're in the

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process of like how did Archer put it at a

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gazelle getting up? You know, he's gonna stumble and they're

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gonna have to learn from time to time and he's

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not going to be running it once she born kind

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of thing. So yeah, to me, I think it was

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a little bit of both. But leaning more towards Yes,

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it's because she interfered with an alien species. Who Yeah,

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they may look human, but I mean that's what's an

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attractual about. But I mean, you know, just the idea

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that the cultural aspect of that alien society, you don't

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mess with it no matter what, no matter how you

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feel for the other people or whatever. But to me,

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it's just like, eh, yeah, I think he was probably

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mostly responsible for it. But at the same time, no.

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I mean that's right. Well, a friend of mine says, like, okay,

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so prime directive is great, not messing with other cultures great,

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and slavery is always wrong. So it's like both right,

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But to.

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Other culture, slavery probably how they survived. So I don't know.

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I mean our culture, that's how we survived for a while, right, Yeah, I.

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Mean to technically was it slavery though, I mean, considering

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that they weren't very put into bootle practices, I guess

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you could say, I mean, they weren't being harmed, that

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we know, I disagree, but.

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They were wearing rags, they were treated like I.

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Know, so we would feel probably for them because of

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a human emotion, But to them, they didn't evolve that way.

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So, oh see, this is what's great about Star Trek.

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You know about the podcast No Right answers the moral

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and ethical thing like what is right and what is wrong?

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And you know what that means that Charles gets to

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bring up the caboose on this particular ethical question. So

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what do you think, Charles?

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I don't remember the episode, but I think I'm right

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there with you guys.

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It's kind of a mix in there.

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Kind of reminds me of the Next Generation where they

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had a society that was a sexual yet some of

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the members preference towards male or female, and I think

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that was rather interesting with that. Do wonder I was

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thinking about when Eric mentioned it, I already was thinking,

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I wonder if they were kind of looking a little

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bit world history and slavery and kind of doing a

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little bit of commentary political commentary to that, because that

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does sound a little bit where this came from. But

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definitely because remember in the T and G episode, if

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they start getting these emotions of having feelings of being

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male or female, the best.

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Way they do them is.

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Something probably similar to lebotomy, of making them forget and

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losing their memory and being forced to conform to society.

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As is just this group, and.

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I wonder if they if they would join the Federation

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and the Federation would.

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Make change or keep the quid pro quo going.

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Yeah, that's a great question, Charles. I've always wondered that

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about federation societies. What level of conformancy is required to

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join the federation?

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Right? I don't remember. Did the Visians have warped capability

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when the Enterprise ran into them? I don't. I don't

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remember how they met.

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Yeah, they had ships. Gosh, how did they meet? I

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feel like.

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They came upon them. I believe it was they did.

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Yeah, they were like Enterprise was like studying a star

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or something like that, and then they kind of came

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together in space.

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I wonder why we never heard about them. Again, that's

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interesting because.

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They ended up having a civil war and they're all dead.

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Doesn't well, it's a long way look at all the

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society as we've not seen again.

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Yeah, there's a.

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Lot of Federation has an anti slavery uh doctrine, So

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I don't know how they would fit in the federation.

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That's another question. That's another pole question for yet another day.

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Actually kind of have a theory about that, to be honest. So,

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with the advancement of technology throughout the Federation over year,

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and you're after informed, I would imagine that over time

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they would probably find a way around this having a

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third pertion and to be able to appro create and

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so well.

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Well, but let's be clear though, it's not the third

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person needed to be needed for procreation. That's the problem.

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It's the way that they treated that person. So that's

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a societal change, not a biological change.

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I know, I understand that. But if they would have

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found a way biology biology way, biological way, if they

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would have found that, then they would have been able

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to just like you know, allow the third person to

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like get educated or get into more idle get here

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as you could say, So they wouldn't become slaves anymore,

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piche shouldn't. Yeah, maybe they had to have like maybe

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shined a charter to join the Federation to be able

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to say, like you have to treat you know, the

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people as equals kind of thing. So I would imagine

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they would probably do it if they found a way

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around the optacle. Basically, with my opinion.

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We can only hope, all right, Eric, So what's our

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sex are our second? Like massively ethical.

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Another good one. Yeah. So, in the TS episode Space Seed,

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Lieutenant Marlon mc givers is ethically bound by the Federation

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and romantically drawn to Con. The end, she chooses Hahn.

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Do you agree with her decision? And twenty one percent

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of our listeners agree with mcgiver's choosing Con over her

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sort of Federation family, so to speak, and seventy nine

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percent disagree with her choice and think that she should

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have chosen the Federation. And so, I guess my response

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to this toll is, if you look back in history

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at every single story that's ever been told, love matters

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more than anything else. And so did she rap her

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federation ideals by going with kN Absolutely? Was con sort

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of a half crazy madman bent on world domination? Absolutely?

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And could she have ever made a different decision? I

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don't think so. Man love Conkers all so I think

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she was probably wrong, But I don't think she had

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a choice. I think she was in love and she

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had to choose that.

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Well, I think it was in a script if she

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had chosen.

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Well, yeah, I mean, if she had chosen the Federation,

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we wouldn't have the Wrath of con and then we

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would have Nicholas Meyer and we wouldn't be talking to

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him in a couple of weeks about that.

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Yeah, she made the right decision all the way.

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Maybe we should a Nicholas Meer and we'll.

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Ask Nicholas Meyer. That's a good question, he says. You

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know what, I think that this is another one of

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those like cogenitor questions, because even though she chose CON,

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she didn't abandon her federation ideals because she came back

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and saved everybody and would and they would have easily

472
00:29:49.079 --> 00:29:53.880
been killed. And basically she did kind of come around

473
00:29:54.279 --> 00:29:57.839
and at the end decided to go with kN rather

474
00:29:57.880 --> 00:30:00.279
than go to a penal colony. So again, it kind

475
00:30:00.279 --> 00:30:03.759
of like the cogenitor thing. She she made the wrong decision,

476
00:30:04.000 --> 00:30:08.160
but then kind of course corrected and then decided to

477
00:30:08.160 --> 00:30:12.960
go with CON after all. So yeah, I mean, she

478
00:30:13.039 --> 00:30:17.200
made the wrong decision absolutely, but it all worked out

479
00:30:17.279 --> 00:30:22.720
me because we got the wrath of CON. What do

480
00:30:22.759 --> 00:30:24.359
you think, David, I.

481
00:30:24.359 --> 00:30:28.720
Think Con bribed her with cookies, I don't know, but.

482
00:30:29.279 --> 00:30:31.039
Ribed her with that chest is what he did.

483
00:30:31.440 --> 00:30:37.400
Yeah, yeah, I honestly think I mean I totally agree

484
00:30:37.400 --> 00:30:40.000
with her that love conquered doll and the fact that, yeah,

485
00:30:40.119 --> 00:30:44.920
she did probably make the wrong decision because she was

486
00:30:45.119 --> 00:30:50.839
kind of ethically bound to the Federation. However, how many

487
00:30:50.880 --> 00:30:53.720
times have we shangn throughout Di tract history where people

488
00:30:53.759 --> 00:30:55.960
will come and go, we know we got the bad

489
00:30:56.039 --> 00:31:01.759
admirals now, and people leave the Federation and for different reasons.

490
00:31:01.799 --> 00:31:07.920
But yeah, so I mean, technically, uh, this is another

491
00:31:07.920 --> 00:31:11.400
one that said yes and no for me, but I

492
00:31:11.440 --> 00:31:17.599
got them leaning toward more like absolutely that she uh

493
00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:20.799
that she did make the my choice to go with Khan.

494
00:31:21.440 --> 00:31:24.519
But I mean, if it, like you said, Jim, if

495
00:31:24.519 --> 00:31:26.559
it didn't happen, we wouldn't have had Wratha Kahn, So

496
00:31:28.240 --> 00:31:30.640
maybe maybe it would have been called love of Kan.

497
00:31:32.839 --> 00:31:39.160
The absence of Conn. All right, Charles, we're back to

498
00:31:39.200 --> 00:31:39.960
you again, buddy.

499
00:31:41.000 --> 00:31:45.319
Well, the one thing is she still end up giving

500
00:31:45.519 --> 00:31:54.160
the Federation up to being in that abandoned ship. And

501
00:31:55.079 --> 00:31:57.400
did she make it to Wrath? Did she make it

502
00:31:57.400 --> 00:31:58.400
to Wratha con too?

503
00:32:00.039 --> 00:32:00.880
And think she was?

504
00:32:01.279 --> 00:32:04.400
She wasn't? I think that. I think the actress died,

505
00:32:04.480 --> 00:32:04.920
didn't she?

506
00:32:05.279 --> 00:32:05.519
I think?

507
00:32:06.160 --> 00:32:10.720
And there's actually there's actually a non cannon explanation too

508
00:32:10.880 --> 00:32:15.640
if you read that what's it called raining in Hell

509
00:32:16.079 --> 00:32:21.599
comic book with with Con When he's on Alpha SETI five.

510
00:32:21.960 --> 00:32:24.759
I think I got that right, And that's when she

511
00:32:24.920 --> 00:32:27.359
actually dies on the planet. Is in the comic book.

512
00:32:27.559 --> 00:32:30.279
Yeah, they also mentioned she died in the movie. I thought, okay,

513
00:32:30.480 --> 00:32:31.000
that's when.

514
00:32:32.640 --> 00:32:34.920
Yeah, yeah, but they the comic.

515
00:32:34.680 --> 00:32:38.599
There the bug things got into her ear and killed her. Yep,

516
00:32:39.319 --> 00:32:42.359
the Seti eels.

517
00:32:41.279 --> 00:32:41.960
Or the planet.

518
00:32:44.279 --> 00:32:53.319
Yeah, so yeah, I think she did break her oath

519
00:32:53.400 --> 00:33:00.839
to the Federation. Ah. Sure, if she'd end up in

520
00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:03.039
a penal colony, she might have been in the brig

521
00:33:03.440 --> 00:33:09.640
or military prison. But either way, she probably wasn't gonna

522
00:33:09.640 --> 00:33:10.559
have a great life.

523
00:33:10.640 --> 00:33:16.839
So yeah, she was also being in the court martial,

524
00:33:16.880 --> 00:33:18.119
wasn't she She.

525
00:33:18.119 --> 00:33:20.920
Probably would have if she'd sat there and tried to

526
00:33:20.960 --> 00:33:23.799
help con and lose the enterprise.

527
00:33:27.720 --> 00:33:29.839
Well, she ended up dead after a couple of months,

528
00:33:29.839 --> 00:33:33.039
so maybe she should have stayed with her Who knows.

529
00:33:33.799 --> 00:33:38.200
But yeah, I mean, you know, it's I try to

530
00:33:38.200 --> 00:33:41.039
come up with interesting questions that are gonna make people

531
00:33:41.119 --> 00:33:44.599
debate and talk. So yeah, that's that was an interesting

532
00:33:44.640 --> 00:33:48.319
one for sure. So you know what time it is now,

533
00:33:49.640 --> 00:34:09.280
don't you? It's this time? All right. This is a

534
00:34:09.320 --> 00:34:12.039
part of the show where Charles goes back and tries

535
00:34:12.079 --> 00:34:14.159
to pick out some interesting episodes that you can go

536
00:34:14.239 --> 00:34:16.519
back and watch that will fill in some of the

537
00:34:16.559 --> 00:34:20.360
holes or just discuss what's going on in this week's

538
00:34:20.400 --> 00:34:23.320
episode of Lower Deck. So Charles take it away with

539
00:34:23.440 --> 00:34:25.119
Cadet training Buddy, all.

540
00:34:25.079 --> 00:34:27.800
Right, well, we're not gonna hit just shows.

541
00:34:27.840 --> 00:34:35.559
We're gonna get tired Tire Tire productions as the first

542
00:34:35.559 --> 00:34:43.239
few Enterprise where you can learn about to Paul and

543
00:34:44.519 --> 00:34:51.119
her her relationship prior to Mary Tucker DS nine. You

544
00:34:51.159 --> 00:34:57.159
can learn more about Kurizon Dacks, Elon Garrick and doctor

545
00:34:57.280 --> 00:34:58.639
Julian Bajier.

546
00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:00.920
Voyager.

547
00:35:02.519 --> 00:35:08.599
You can learn more about Harry Kim and Sen Harry Kim.

548
00:35:08.760 --> 00:35:13.400
You can also go to Star Trek First Contact and

549
00:35:13.519 --> 00:35:20.559
learn about Lily Sloan, and then a few episodes to

550
00:35:20.639 --> 00:35:26.199
recognize Lower Decks Crisis point two paradox. This is the

551
00:35:26.239 --> 00:35:32.079
death of Boimler's Clone or the other Boimler, which we

552
00:35:32.199 --> 00:35:36.760
find out in this episode didn't actually die, but it

553
00:35:36.960 --> 00:35:44.719
was a transfer of him to a different organization Lower Decks.

554
00:35:44.840 --> 00:35:48.840
Much Ado about Boimler. By the way, the death of

555
00:35:48.920 --> 00:35:53.280
Clone was season three episode eight. Much You Do About

556
00:35:53.320 --> 00:35:58.880
Boimler Season one episode seven, The Croppians previously appeared and

557
00:35:58.960 --> 00:36:06.119
we're much more friends then. And this was a good

558
00:36:06.199 --> 00:36:10.320
tie in here DS nine where you hear the reference

559
00:36:10.400 --> 00:36:16.440
to doctor Brajeer I presume, which was DS nine season five,

560
00:36:16.519 --> 00:36:20.400
episode sixteen, which was the first time that they had

561
00:36:20.400 --> 00:36:26.960
an idea about creating abear emh. So with this episode

562
00:36:26.960 --> 00:36:30.039
they actually had one. That's the episode where they actually

563
00:36:30.039 --> 00:36:31.559
got the idea originally.

564
00:36:34.599 --> 00:36:37.519
Excellent, So you guys can go and check those out

565
00:36:37.559 --> 00:36:40.079
if you'd like some a little bit of backstory or

566
00:36:40.119 --> 00:36:44.400
just some fun filler about this week's episode of Lower Decks.

567
00:36:44.960 --> 00:36:48.239
And every week I ask you guys what you thought

568
00:36:48.239 --> 00:36:51.079
about the episode and to score the episode. And again

569
00:36:51.480 --> 00:36:53.119
you have to be creative. You have to try to

570
00:36:53.199 --> 00:36:57.639
find it because it's no longer on our Facebook page unfortunately,

571
00:36:58.320 --> 00:37:00.960
but it's still floating around out there on the socials.

572
00:37:00.960 --> 00:37:03.400
You can find it if you look. And I'm gonna

573
00:37:03.400 --> 00:37:06.639
turn this over to Eric to do the fan ratings

574
00:37:06.800 --> 00:37:10.360
on Fizzier quests. Take it away, Eric.

575
00:37:10.639 --> 00:37:13.800
All right, Jim, I had a little bit of technical difficulties.

576
00:37:13.840 --> 00:37:17.519
You guys can hear me. Okay, they're right, yep, excellent.

577
00:37:17.679 --> 00:37:21.280
All right, Our fan, Ellen Smock said I love it.

578
00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:24.679
I love it so much. It's super funny, moving, great

579
00:37:24.719 --> 00:37:29.280
science fiction and quite simply the best fan service ever

580
00:37:29.559 --> 00:37:34.239
thanks to Ellen. Daniel Ballard said, I did, and bringing

581
00:37:34.880 --> 00:37:37.719
bringing back a lot of the original characters to voice

582
00:37:37.719 --> 00:37:43.039
their original characters made it even better. Bobby Vergis said,

583
00:37:43.159 --> 00:37:48.199
awesome episode. Tom Camarata said they know how to do

584
00:37:48.400 --> 00:37:53.360
fan service. Dana Smith said I thought the Locarno from

585
00:37:53.440 --> 00:37:56.480
last season was a deep cut, but some of these

586
00:37:56.559 --> 00:37:59.400
I was like wow. And to get Alfie Woodard and

587
00:37:59.480 --> 00:38:03.400
Jolinel Laylock come back to Star Trek is amazing. This

588
00:38:03.519 --> 00:38:06.079
is the Star Trek episode I didn't know I needed

589
00:38:06.440 --> 00:38:09.320
and is one of my top favorites of new Star

590
00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:14.400
Trek episodes. Boyd Clark said maybe my favorite one of

591
00:38:14.440 --> 00:38:14.960
the series.

592
00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:16.079
Jim J.

593
00:38:16.199 --> 00:38:19.519
Watson said lower Decks covered so much ground all over

594
00:38:19.599 --> 00:38:24.760
Star Trek. Madeline Wildish said the cold open alone was

595
00:38:24.800 --> 00:38:29.039
worth the price of entry. Sebastian Wilkins said it was

596
00:38:29.159 --> 00:38:32.079
nice for them to address the extended universe, cannon around

597
00:38:32.159 --> 00:38:37.480
trip and to Paul's marriage. Paul Koontz said this episode

598
00:38:37.559 --> 00:38:42.199
was fire. This was a great idea for a great movie,

599
00:38:42.480 --> 00:38:48.280
live action interesting. Barton Pyle said absolutely loved it. I

600
00:38:48.320 --> 00:38:53.480
want more seasons. Matthew Jacinto said my jaw dropped and

601
00:38:53.559 --> 00:38:57.599
dropped and dropped in giddiness. More proof that the people

602
00:38:57.679 --> 00:39:02.960
making this show love Trek. Stephen Couture said great fun

603
00:39:03.239 --> 00:39:08.159
The Kims are so funny, and Ryan Galloway said so awesome.

604
00:39:08.519 --> 00:39:11.239
One of my favorite Lower Decks episodes, right up there

605
00:39:11.599 --> 00:39:15.360
with the DS nine and Lucarno Ones and Jim This week,

606
00:39:15.400 --> 00:39:18.760
we have a fans score for this episode of nine

607
00:39:19.159 --> 00:39:24.199
point two. Nine point two. That is an extremely respectable number.

608
00:39:25.320 --> 00:39:27.559
I believe that that's right at the top end of

609
00:39:27.639 --> 00:39:30.880
what we have seen for Lower Decks this season. Yeah,

610
00:39:31.039 --> 00:39:35.800
looks like, yeah, it's right up there. So fantastic episode.

611
00:39:35.800 --> 00:39:38.280
The fans loved it, so let's talk about it.

612
00:39:38.639 --> 00:39:42.239
Yeah, who wants to jump in here first? Charles? You

613
00:39:42.239 --> 00:39:44.239
want to go first? Since you dragged up the caboose

614
00:39:44.320 --> 00:39:50.400
on the last couple. If maybe you're mute to Charles,

615
00:39:50.920 --> 00:39:51.519
we can't hear you.

616
00:39:51.559 --> 00:39:56.159
Let me grab my notes then a few notes that

617
00:39:56.199 --> 00:40:00.920
I had to throw up on this one. Definitely love

618
00:40:01.000 --> 00:40:04.960
this episode, she decided because people were saying, well, you

619
00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:08.599
even want the last two episodes? Okay, I went through

620
00:40:08.719 --> 00:40:11.880
and saw both of them together, and they were a

621
00:40:11.920 --> 00:40:13.400
great two parterre together.

622
00:40:15.159 --> 00:40:19.480
But right in the beginning, you see Boimler.

623
00:40:19.880 --> 00:40:24.800
With the black badge, and I didn't tie that in,

624
00:40:25.119 --> 00:40:29.800
but that reminds me of the badge we saw, I

625
00:40:29.800 --> 00:40:33.760
think the third episode Discovery, and we saw the teaser

626
00:40:34.039 --> 00:40:38.800
for season two A Discovery, but we normally don't see

627
00:40:38.800 --> 00:40:45.320
a whole lot of that black bade. Look at Mariner

628
00:40:45.559 --> 00:40:50.880
in Yellow. I was definitely kind of throwing me off

629
00:40:50.880 --> 00:40:54.079
a little bit there. It was impressive to see her

630
00:40:55.199 --> 00:40:59.880
in a position that she was a lot more life

631
00:41:02.840 --> 00:41:10.639
our engineer, a little more like a Tilly or yeah,

632
00:41:10.679 --> 00:41:13.239
I can't think of his name, but interesting to see

633
00:41:13.280 --> 00:41:17.079
that she was more of an excited ops person. You're

634
00:41:17.079 --> 00:41:21.920
thinking of Billups, No, I'm actually thinking of our lower

635
00:41:21.960 --> 00:41:34.719
decks one. All right. Somebody made the comment and I

636
00:41:34.760 --> 00:41:37.199
was looking through and somebody of the comment, and I agree,

637
00:41:37.840 --> 00:41:40.840
too bad. In this episode they never decide to actually

638
00:41:40.880 --> 00:41:45.960
do a blue alert. Does anybody ever remember what a

639
00:41:46.000 --> 00:41:46.880
blue alert was?

640
00:41:48.639 --> 00:41:50.039
Do you know what a blue alert is?

641
00:41:50.039 --> 00:41:51.159
Isn't that a medical thing?

642
00:41:51.320 --> 00:41:51.760
No?

643
00:41:51.760 --> 00:41:55.559
No, no, blue alert is what you go in when

644
00:41:55.599 --> 00:41:56.559
you're exiting space.

645
00:41:56.559 --> 00:42:03.000
Stock when you're landing U when you're landing out.

646
00:42:03.039 --> 00:42:09.519
Well, I think Voyager used Voyager used a blue somebody

647
00:42:09.599 --> 00:42:15.280
used the blue once to land on the planet and

648
00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:17.639
this was not to see the fact that they actually

649
00:42:17.719 --> 00:42:21.960
went on a went on and did a landing, which

650
00:42:23.679 --> 00:42:28.039
that was a topic conversation of the original Defiant. We

651
00:42:28.159 --> 00:42:31.599
don't think ever had landing gear, so we think this

652
00:42:31.719 --> 00:42:38.480
new one actually got landing gear built in, which is

653
00:42:38.519 --> 00:42:47.360
impressive to see the USS Bagle or to USS Bagle,

654
00:42:47.400 --> 00:42:51.880
but the Beagle, anybody know what its origin is?

655
00:42:53.880 --> 00:42:55.239
It's Archer's dog.

656
00:42:56.840 --> 00:43:00.480
Yeah, Snoopy's with those.

657
00:43:00.760 --> 00:43:03.639
Well, the ship we saw in the in the show

658
00:43:04.480 --> 00:43:11.639
wasn't where the ship comes from.

659
00:43:11.800 --> 00:43:13.559
Yeah, that was one of the ships we saw on

660
00:43:13.599 --> 00:43:16.280
the h wall of the Enterprise and Star Trek the

661
00:43:16.280 --> 00:43:17.079
motion picture.

662
00:43:17.320 --> 00:43:18.079
It's a version of it.

663
00:43:18.159 --> 00:43:23.199
Yeah, you it's this Enterprise X see the three three

664
00:43:23.280 --> 00:43:27.000
three zero which we got to see in the motion picture.

665
00:43:29.239 --> 00:43:30.519
Also, I like the.

666
00:43:32.800 --> 00:43:40.760
Name the ship an x an ax mar mirror a

667
00:43:41.280 --> 00:43:45.239
mirror and Eric might know that reference.

668
00:43:46.920 --> 00:43:47.760
I do. Yeah.

669
00:43:47.840 --> 00:43:51.639
He's considered one of the very first Greek philosophers, one

670
00:43:51.639 --> 00:43:53.679
of the I know. He was the first one to

671
00:43:54.480 --> 00:43:57.559
write down his actual stuff so that we could we

672
00:43:57.599 --> 00:44:00.199
could have it now. And I believe he's done one

673
00:44:00.199 --> 00:44:06.039
who and I was finishing that, I believe that he's

674
00:44:06.079 --> 00:44:08.440
also the one who came up with the concept of infinity.

675
00:44:12.679 --> 00:44:16.599
Xemner was the first astronomer to consider the Sun as

676
00:44:16.679 --> 00:44:20.960
a huge mass and consequently to realize how far the

677
00:44:20.960 --> 00:44:26.119
Earth might be, and it's and it's first to present

678
00:44:26.280 --> 00:44:30.880
the system where celestial body is turned at different distances.

679
00:44:32.239 --> 00:44:34.800
So he was actually not only a philosopher but one

680
00:44:34.880 --> 00:44:39.280
of our probably our first astronomers. So I thought that

681
00:44:39.360 --> 00:44:43.320
was an interesting way of tying him to the ship.

682
00:44:47.159 --> 00:44:52.159
And what did people think about the Garrick Bridgier relationship.

683
00:44:55.079 --> 00:45:00.719
Finally got to see those two as a couple, and

684
00:45:01.960 --> 00:45:04.440
I forgot to reference that, but I would reference that

685
00:45:04.760 --> 00:45:10.519
to the documentary which recently was mentioned what we left

686
00:45:10.519 --> 00:45:19.159
behind discussion about the documentary documentary on DS nine And

687
00:45:19.239 --> 00:45:22.239
they said, and they said in that show that there

688
00:45:22.440 --> 00:45:26.800
was could have been a relationship, and they never really

689
00:45:27.199 --> 00:45:35.320
followed on it, but that I do like. And here

690
00:45:35.519 --> 00:45:44.079
they finally took one pair from different dimensions and actually

691
00:45:44.480 --> 00:45:48.440
allowed to have a relationship going on between the two.

692
00:45:50.960 --> 00:45:53.320
And what was interesting about that Charles is one of

693
00:45:53.360 --> 00:45:59.880
them was a hologram. So we got some inner species stuff.

694
00:46:00.079 --> 00:46:01.880
Well I don't in our species, but you know what

695
00:46:01.880 --> 00:46:03.559
I'm saying, Yeah, I.

696
00:46:03.480 --> 00:46:04.920
Mean essentially in a species.

697
00:46:05.119 --> 00:46:10.320
Yeah, I think I I it was a It was

698
00:46:10.360 --> 00:46:15.119
a great, great thing put together, and.

699
00:46:16.880 --> 00:46:19.000
It's definitely would have been one too.

700
00:46:20.480 --> 00:46:22.239
We wish it had been more of a follow up

701
00:46:22.559 --> 00:46:27.000
to what happened as I'll let somebody else talk about it.

702
00:46:27.039 --> 00:46:29.239
I think there's a follow up to what happened with

703
00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:34.519
the Paul and kursha.

704
00:46:34.079 --> 00:46:38.880
Mm hmm. Yeah, but I'll jump in later.

705
00:46:39.159 --> 00:46:41.920
But I'm going to go with a nine point five

706
00:46:42.039 --> 00:46:42.840
on this one.

707
00:46:44.400 --> 00:46:49.480
It's impressed, definitely up there, most impressive.

708
00:46:49.239 --> 00:46:50.559
Most impressive episode.

709
00:46:53.039 --> 00:46:55.280
I had to get some Star Wars in there. Huh,

710
00:46:55.639 --> 00:47:00.519
most impressive. So I gotta move my compute here a

711
00:47:00.559 --> 00:47:03.679
little bit because the the dog is laying right on

712
00:47:03.719 --> 00:47:08.000
my feet and I'm getting numb here. Come on, Leah,

713
00:47:08.920 --> 00:47:15.599
can't you go somewhere else? There we go. So who

714
00:47:15.679 --> 00:47:21.519
wants to jump in next? I guess I will. So,

715
00:47:21.719 --> 00:47:24.199
you know, I gotta say I watched this episode right

716
00:47:24.199 --> 00:47:27.719
before the podcast just to refresh myself because it was

717
00:47:27.880 --> 00:47:31.320
well two weeks ago since I watched it, and I

718
00:47:31.360 --> 00:47:35.559
gotta say, I'm not really big on the the alternate

719
00:47:35.639 --> 00:47:39.760
universe multiverse stuff, doesn't.

720
00:47:39.800 --> 00:47:45.119
I mean, Jim, are you like Boimler says in here

721
00:47:45.159 --> 00:47:49.280
where he's like he thinks the multiverse is a lazy

722
00:47:49.320 --> 00:47:52.440
derivative and that he's so eff and sick of the multiverse.

723
00:47:52.840 --> 00:47:55.280
Yes, I was. I was pretty much Boimler. I mean,

724
00:47:57.000 --> 00:47:59.400
Marvel did it. I just I don't like it. I

725
00:47:59.440 --> 00:48:04.360
didn't like I didn't. I wasn't thrilled with it. So yeah,

726
00:48:04.440 --> 00:48:07.119
I was not thrilled with it. The reason why I'm

727
00:48:07.119 --> 00:48:15.119
not thrilled with it is because it's not real. There's

728
00:48:15.519 --> 00:48:19.920
everything else. Yeah, No, there's there's no you know, if

729
00:48:20.400 --> 00:48:22.960
if Trip dies in this universe, he just jumped to

730
00:48:22.960 --> 00:48:27.480
another universe and grab him. You know, Discovery did it

731
00:48:27.519 --> 00:48:30.079
with Georgio. And we know that there's multi there's a

732
00:48:30.159 --> 00:48:34.079
multiverse because when Stanmt's was jumping the Discovery around the

733
00:48:34.159 --> 00:48:38.800
Klingon ship, every little globe that they saw was a

734
00:48:38.960 --> 00:48:42.519
universe and Lorca was trying to find his. So we

735
00:48:42.599 --> 00:48:45.440
know that it's there. We're well aware of it. We

736
00:48:45.519 --> 00:48:48.719
know that there's a mirror universe. And I just don't

737
00:48:48.760 --> 00:48:52.280
feel the need to really delve much deeper into it

738
00:48:52.360 --> 00:48:58.079
than that, so I wasn't impressed with it. However, However,

739
00:48:58.400 --> 00:49:02.119
I loved the episode, okay, I you know. I thought

740
00:49:02.159 --> 00:49:05.960
it was great that we saw Curzon waving his bat

741
00:49:06.039 --> 00:49:09.800
leath around and to Paul and like one of our

742
00:49:09.880 --> 00:49:12.599
viewers our listeners had said, it was great to see

743
00:49:12.599 --> 00:49:16.079
all these characters back again, and the Kims just had

744
00:49:16.119 --> 00:49:19.960
me on the floor laughing. I loved the Basher Garrick

745
00:49:20.119 --> 00:49:24.320
thing was great too, having Lily show up. There was

746
00:49:24.360 --> 00:49:27.280
a lot of fun stuff in this episode that I

747
00:49:27.360 --> 00:49:30.639
did enjoy. I just didn't enjoy the premise of it,

748
00:49:30.679 --> 00:49:33.719
and we're going to talk a lot more about that

749
00:49:34.000 --> 00:49:37.119
next week. I'm going to stick to this episode in particular.

750
00:49:37.599 --> 00:49:41.280
So this particular episode, I didn't mind it quite as

751
00:49:41.360 --> 00:49:43.800
much because of the way the episode was structured, the

752
00:49:43.800 --> 00:49:45.840
way it worked out, and it was just a lot

753
00:49:45.880 --> 00:49:50.320
of fun, you know. The repercussions of it weren't brought

754
00:49:50.400 --> 00:49:52.960
up until the next episode, so I enjoyed it, and

755
00:49:53.000 --> 00:49:57.199
I I did like seeing the section thirty one Boimler,

756
00:49:57.800 --> 00:49:59.840
and I don't know why they didn't mention that in

757
00:49:59.840 --> 00:50:01.360
the this episode, but he.

758
00:50:01.440 --> 00:50:04.159
Already says in his log that he can't tell us

759
00:50:04.239 --> 00:50:07.039
what the organization is, So I mean they do mention

760
00:50:07.119 --> 00:50:08.480
it by not mentioning it.

761
00:50:08.920 --> 00:50:12.840
Well, it's weird because they particularly they specifically told us

762
00:50:13.400 --> 00:50:17.400
when they revived him two seasons ago or whenever it

763
00:50:17.480 --> 00:50:19.760
was that it was section thirty one.

764
00:50:20.000 --> 00:50:22.599
Yeah, but he's leaving a log now and he can't

765
00:50:22.639 --> 00:50:24.719
put anything like that in an official log.

766
00:50:25.480 --> 00:50:28.920
I asked the old log, the captain's log.

767
00:50:29.159 --> 00:50:31.440
Yeah, you can't. You can't, like if you're class if

768
00:50:31.440 --> 00:50:33.719
something's classified, they can tell us on screen, but you

769
00:50:33.719 --> 00:50:36.119
can't put that in a log. Yeah.

770
00:50:36.159 --> 00:50:38.599
I mean there are things that we know as fans

771
00:50:38.639 --> 00:50:41.440
that are unbeknownst to the people that exactly you know,

772
00:50:41.719 --> 00:50:44.320
just like in Spaceballs. But yeah, I mean I thought

773
00:50:44.400 --> 00:50:47.360
Curzon was great. I liked the whole thing with Paul

774
00:50:48.719 --> 00:50:52.960
taking the Dak Symbian's memories kind of the cotra like.

775
00:50:52.920 --> 00:50:56.360
We saw multiple contra really cool, doing.

776
00:50:56.119 --> 00:50:59.000
The Ratha con that was all great. I loved Boimler

777
00:50:59.079 --> 00:51:03.039
is it And I mean, uh, Mariner as an engineer

778
00:51:03.199 --> 00:51:06.559
was great too, Like Charles said, yeah, so there was

779
00:51:06.599 --> 00:51:09.480
a lot of fun stuff in here. So I'm right

780
00:51:09.519 --> 00:51:11.880
there with Charles. I'm gonna go with a nine point

781
00:51:11.920 --> 00:51:15.079
five on this one. It was just fun. It was

782
00:51:15.119 --> 00:51:18.360
a fun episode, and uh, I'm gonna go with a

783
00:51:18.440 --> 00:51:23.440
nine point five. Who wants to jump in here next? Well,

784
00:51:23.480 --> 00:51:25.679
we have we have David, we have Eric. Eric, you

785
00:51:25.679 --> 00:51:27.599
want to bring up the kaboos on this one.

786
00:51:27.559 --> 00:51:29.280
Sure, I'll bring up the Kabooz. Go for it, David,

787
00:51:29.440 --> 00:51:29.800
Go for.

788
00:51:29.760 --> 00:51:34.280
It, David. Oh, by the way, your slide show is outstanding.

789
00:51:34.320 --> 00:51:35.639
I just wanted to throw that out there.

790
00:51:36.199 --> 00:51:41.480
Makes uh. Yeah, I'm pretty much right up there with

791
00:51:41.519 --> 00:51:44.960
you guys. And as far as scoring God, but the uh,

792
00:51:46.519 --> 00:51:48.960
I always felt like this episode for some reason was

793
00:51:49.000 --> 00:51:53.480
a little rushed, only because they knew that they were

794
00:51:53.519 --> 00:51:56.639
being canceled and the fact that they had to get

795
00:51:56.719 --> 00:52:01.920
this particular episode in there before can So to me,

796
00:52:02.199 --> 00:52:04.159
I thought there could have been a little bit more

797
00:52:04.239 --> 00:52:09.000
explanation of trying to find, you know, who's responsible for

798
00:52:09.079 --> 00:52:12.679
opening up all these rips, And to me, I was like, well,

799
00:52:12.760 --> 00:52:17.239
that turned out to be pretty quick. To me, I

800
00:52:17.280 --> 00:52:19.000
don't know, I mean, it was just something about it

801
00:52:19.039 --> 00:52:22.159
that this whole season where they were trying to find

802
00:52:22.159 --> 00:52:24.199
the person and all of a sudden, it just happened

803
00:52:24.239 --> 00:52:26.800
to be here. It's like maybe it was planned, maybe

804
00:52:26.840 --> 00:52:28.840
it wasn't. I don't know, but to me, it just

805
00:52:28.840 --> 00:52:32.480
felt a little rush. But no, I'm pretty much up

806
00:52:32.480 --> 00:52:34.440
there with you, guys. I did enjoy this episode. I

807
00:52:34.440 --> 00:52:38.280
thought it was really adventurous. And I'm kind of with

808
00:52:38.400 --> 00:52:43.360
Jim on this one where he's talking about, like I

809
00:52:43.400 --> 00:52:47.119
hope that they didn't have to open up a multi universe.

810
00:52:47.719 --> 00:52:52.000
But I mean even before Lower Decks, they've been talking

811
00:52:52.039 --> 00:52:54.400
about the multiverse for quite a while. I mean it

812
00:52:54.480 --> 00:52:58.360
didn't Enterprise mentioned something about that as well when Daniels

813
00:52:58.480 --> 00:53:02.440
was talking to them about different time zones and stuff

814
00:53:02.440 --> 00:53:06.199
that could I thought you mentioned something about it different.

815
00:53:06.840 --> 00:53:09.599
Yeah, I mean there's a that to me, David, there's

816
00:53:09.639 --> 00:53:14.599
a question of like timeline versus universe, right, like in

817
00:53:14.920 --> 00:53:18.760
like Daniels was talking about different timelines and stuff, and

818
00:53:18.800 --> 00:53:21.840
then there's universes. But like you could, China, you could

819
00:53:21.840 --> 00:53:25.199
probably argue that those two are one and the same.

820
00:53:25.320 --> 00:53:27.920
But I've always thought about them as as different. Like

821
00:53:27.960 --> 00:53:31.760
in this timeline, I make this decision, or I make

822
00:53:31.840 --> 00:53:35.159
this decision, and different things happen, but in a different universe,

823
00:53:35.639 --> 00:53:38.880
I'm green, and something entirely different would happen.

824
00:53:39.119 --> 00:53:39.280
Yeah.

825
00:53:39.280 --> 00:53:41.199
I just thought for some reason, Star Trek made an

826
00:53:41.199 --> 00:53:43.840
explanation like, if you mess with the time it's going

827
00:53:43.920 --> 00:53:49.280
to open up another pathway to an alternate universe kind

828
00:53:49.320 --> 00:53:51.480
of thing. So I always thought when you're messing with

829
00:53:51.559 --> 00:53:55.440
time travel, multiple portals start opening up to different universities

830
00:53:55.559 --> 00:53:56.239
or something. I don't know.

831
00:53:56.280 --> 00:53:56.920
Maybe that didn't.

832
00:53:58.079 --> 00:54:01.320
Didn't we talk about that, Prodigy.

833
00:54:02.360 --> 00:54:05.239
Yeah, something like that. That's what I's not too Yeah,

834
00:54:05.559 --> 00:54:08.760
but yeah, so, I mean they've been talking about it

835
00:54:08.800 --> 00:54:11.239
for a while, which is probably leading up to this

836
00:54:11.840 --> 00:54:14.639
because I believe this was the last series that was

837
00:54:15.079 --> 00:54:21.599
handsled before Prodigy and the others I think, am I

838
00:54:21.679 --> 00:54:28.519
wrong about that? But anyways, Yeah, I loved the fact

839
00:54:28.559 --> 00:54:30.639
that they brought into Paul and I might actually kind

840
00:54:30.639 --> 00:54:34.039
of intrigued with the multiple universe, even though I'm not

841
00:54:34.079 --> 00:54:35.920
really much of a big fan of it either. That's

842
00:54:35.920 --> 00:54:38.039
one of the reasons why I kind of stopped watching

843
00:54:38.079 --> 00:54:40.719
a lot of the m Shues or whatever the other

844
00:54:40.760 --> 00:54:47.559
ones do. But yeah, to me, this one had a

845
00:54:47.599 --> 00:54:50.280
lot of potentials and yes, it may or may not

846
00:54:50.320 --> 00:54:52.880
be lazy writing just because you know, they're bringing in.

847
00:54:53.760 --> 00:54:56.280
Some people might call fan service because they brought to

848
00:54:56.280 --> 00:54:58.320
paul In and stuff, But if they come up with

849
00:54:58.440 --> 00:55:01.599
something new, that's good. If they come up with something

850
00:55:01.960 --> 00:55:05.119
you know that they've done before, trope, you know, I'm

851
00:55:05.159 --> 00:55:07.760
fine too. I'm I'm all for fans of us here

852
00:55:07.760 --> 00:55:09.760
and now. But depending on the story plane everything. But

853
00:55:11.559 --> 00:55:14.599
other than that, it's intriguing. It's an intriguing plot line,

854
00:55:14.599 --> 00:55:17.199
and I hope they bring I hope they do bring

855
00:55:17.320 --> 00:55:21.079
back Lower Decks because I kind of want to see

856
00:55:21.079 --> 00:55:26.480
where they take it. So to me, I'm I'm actually

857
00:55:26.480 --> 00:55:31.119
interested now to hear what you guys think. Are they

858
00:55:31.119 --> 00:55:34.880
going to be bringing Boimler live action inter Section thirty

859
00:55:34.880 --> 00:55:35.440
one movie?

860
00:55:35.880 --> 00:55:36.079
Now?

861
00:55:36.119 --> 00:55:41.280
Since we know he parted this, I don't think so.

862
00:55:41.440 --> 00:55:48.719
Wrong timeline, Okay, I mean well, I Section thirty one

863
00:55:48.880 --> 00:55:52.599
was was done long before this was even though the

864
00:55:53.760 --> 00:55:57.960
timing of the release isn't the actual Section thirty one

865
00:55:58.039 --> 00:56:01.400
was written and filmed before this episode.

866
00:56:02.000 --> 00:56:03.840
Yeah, that's just kind of an interesting but it's.

867
00:56:03.719 --> 00:56:06.599
Not a bad idea because we did see him on

868
00:56:06.599 --> 00:56:08.360
on Strange New Worlds and he was awesome.

869
00:56:08.840 --> 00:56:12.480
Yeah, although I'd have to say I believe it was

870
00:56:12.480 --> 00:56:16.719
this episode. That my favorite line from the no way

871
00:56:17.559 --> 00:56:25.239
damn two point tim Yeah, there was a lot of one. Yeah,

872
00:56:25.440 --> 00:56:30.239
considering the fact that there is a lot of different

873
00:56:30.280 --> 00:56:33.159
things that took place in here. I actually liked how

874
00:56:33.320 --> 00:56:39.079
Harry Kim, the promoted one, was actually the villain of

875
00:56:39.119 --> 00:56:42.679
this although did he really need to be I don't know,

876
00:56:42.760 --> 00:56:44.920
but it was kind of an interesting plot line and

877
00:56:44.960 --> 00:56:47.800
the fact that we actually got to meet Sloan, which

878
00:56:47.920 --> 00:56:50.840
I never knew Lily had a last name in for Contact.

879
00:56:51.119 --> 00:56:54.039
To be honest, I never knew that even mentioned her name,

880
00:56:54.159 --> 00:56:57.320
or even if it was even in the credits. Was it?

881
00:56:57.480 --> 00:57:00.519
Oh yeah, she had she had a start a card

882
00:57:00.519 --> 00:57:01.239
to in the game.

883
00:57:01.920 --> 00:57:05.840
Oh yeah, I have the idea. Okay, when I mentioned

884
00:57:05.840 --> 00:57:07.559
literally I almost had to go look it up, and

885
00:57:07.559 --> 00:57:10.719
then I realized, oh, I remember who it was now,

886
00:57:10.920 --> 00:57:14.880
So yeah, it's the lady from the Star Treks for Contact,

887
00:57:14.920 --> 00:57:16.920
which was kind of interesting. But at the same time,

888
00:57:16.960 --> 00:57:19.440
it was like they could do a lot of stuff

889
00:57:19.440 --> 00:57:23.840
with these multi universities because they could literally bringing Captain

890
00:57:23.920 --> 00:57:28.840
Kirk in this timeline just by opening up a rift

891
00:57:29.199 --> 00:57:33.280
into Captain Kirk's timeline and booing him in two hours.

892
00:57:33.280 --> 00:57:36.400
So It's like there's there's so much potential with this

893
00:57:36.599 --> 00:57:39.480
idea that it could be a great idea, but at

894
00:57:39.480 --> 00:57:43.119
the same time, it could be not so great idea.

895
00:57:43.679 --> 00:57:45.239
I mean, are they're going to be booning in another

896
00:57:45.239 --> 00:57:47.920
alien species that we may never heard of before? So

897
00:57:48.840 --> 00:57:52.639
I don't know. It's gonna be an interesting, uh concept

898
00:57:52.639 --> 00:57:54.880
to continue on. And I really hope they bring back

899
00:57:54.920 --> 00:57:57.480
over the deck as I said before, So I'm gonna

900
00:57:57.480 --> 00:58:00.840
have to give this one a nine point nine to

901
00:58:00.920 --> 00:58:03.679
be honest. Wow, I actually really did enjoy it, and

902
00:58:03.800 --> 00:58:05.039
I hope they bring it back.

903
00:58:06.079 --> 00:58:09.840
Eric, we have a score from Paul, I asked him,

904
00:58:09.840 --> 00:58:12.119
and I didn't hear back from him, So I do

905
00:58:12.280 --> 00:58:14.719
not have a score from Paul. I did try, though.

906
00:58:15.559 --> 00:58:17.119
We could give him a point something.

907
00:58:17.800 --> 00:58:19.760
We give him. We can give him a decimal because

908
00:58:19.760 --> 00:58:22.679
he loves decimal so much. Give him a point nine.

909
00:58:22.719 --> 00:58:24.960
He may he may jump right from wherever he is

910
00:58:25.039 --> 00:58:26.960
right now and come after as if we do.

911
00:58:29.119 --> 00:58:31.440
Well. So Eric, that means you got the kaboose on

912
00:58:31.480 --> 00:58:33.480
this one. You you got to hear what everybody else

913
00:58:33.559 --> 00:58:35.760
thought and you get the final straw.

914
00:58:36.239 --> 00:58:40.320
Yeah, okay, let me let's see. Let's address a few

915
00:58:40.400 --> 00:58:43.480
things that you guys talked about first, So I agree

916
00:58:43.480 --> 00:58:46.280
with David. The episode when it first starts out, feels

917
00:58:46.280 --> 00:58:49.519
like it's moving at lightning pace. It was a little

918
00:58:49.679 --> 00:58:51.800
disconcerting at first, but then I think I kind of

919
00:58:52.239 --> 00:58:54.639
got used to it, and upon a second viewing, I

920
00:58:54.679 --> 00:58:58.280
didn't think it was as disconcerting, but it did. It

921
00:58:58.320 --> 00:59:00.960
did feel a little rushed. I also felt like some

922
00:59:01.039 --> 00:59:03.199
of the scene transitions were a little weird. There were

923
00:59:03.239 --> 00:59:07.519
like weird pauses that would occur before the scene would change,

924
00:59:07.599 --> 00:59:10.480
so I don't know what that was all about. It

925
00:59:11.119 --> 00:59:13.599
feels like maybe one more round of editing could have

926
00:59:13.800 --> 00:59:17.199
could have cleaned that up just a little bit. Jim,

927
00:59:17.199 --> 00:59:22.280
you brought up the multiverse thing, so I completely would

928
00:59:22.440 --> 00:59:26.800
normally agree with you in that alternate universe stories don't

929
00:59:26.840 --> 00:59:30.519
matter to the characters that we know and care about. However,

930
00:59:31.039 --> 00:59:33.719
I think this one was unique in that all of

931
00:59:33.760 --> 00:59:38.880
the alternate universe stuff that was happening had ramifications in

932
00:59:38.960 --> 00:59:42.719
our prime universe. Right if all universes are destroyed, then

933
00:59:42.760 --> 00:59:46.280
that's a huge problem. And so despite the fact that

934
00:59:46.400 --> 00:59:49.719
our prime universe characters weren't really in the show, aside

935
00:59:49.719 --> 00:59:52.360
from the very beginning in the very end, all of

936
00:59:52.360 --> 00:59:55.920
the stuff that the alternate universe characters were doing mattered

937
00:59:56.880 --> 01:00:00.199
to the fate of our prime universe characters. So I

938
01:00:00.239 --> 01:00:03.039
didn't like in the end, even though I initially thought

939
01:00:03.039 --> 01:00:05.920
that was an issue, I didn't think it was. So

940
01:00:07.199 --> 01:00:11.440
that's my take on that. The jokes were okay. They

941
01:00:11.480 --> 01:00:14.719
were not the funniest jokes that we've heard on the show,

942
01:00:14.800 --> 01:00:18.719
but some of them were were decent. I will say,

943
01:00:19.000 --> 01:00:21.119
And does anybody know I didn't have a chance to

944
01:00:21.119 --> 01:00:23.360
look this up. Does anybody know if Garrett Wong actually

945
01:00:23.480 --> 01:00:24.960
voiced him or not?

946
01:00:25.480 --> 01:00:26.480
Yes, I think it was.

947
01:00:26.519 --> 01:00:32.119
He did. Garrick was Garrick. I'm not sure about that

948
01:00:32.239 --> 01:00:33.280
was all or not?

949
01:00:33.639 --> 01:00:36.400
But no, that was that was the Paul I was.

950
01:00:36.519 --> 01:00:38.360
I don't know, But no, I don't know about Lily.

951
01:00:38.440 --> 01:00:40.519
I don't or Lily. I don't think she was the

952
01:00:40.559 --> 01:00:42.800
same actress positive it was.

953
01:00:43.440 --> 01:00:46.880
Yeah, yes, they did. All of them came back to

954
01:00:46.960 --> 01:00:48.679
do these roles.

955
01:00:49.000 --> 01:00:52.280
So my take on that is that I'm kind of

956
01:00:52.400 --> 01:00:55.679
tired of the Harry Kim not being promoted trope thing,

957
01:00:56.039 --> 01:00:59.239
Like I just am sick of it, and I hate

958
01:00:59.280 --> 01:01:02.280
that it keeps getting brought up all the time, and

959
01:01:02.320 --> 01:01:04.280
I hate that people make jokes about it all the

960
01:01:04.320 --> 01:01:07.079
time and when we hear it. Garrett Wong on our podcast,

961
01:01:07.159 --> 01:01:09.599
he said that he's sick of it and that he

962
01:01:09.639 --> 01:01:12.480
doesn't like it. So I'm assuming that the reason that

963
01:01:12.519 --> 01:01:14.360
he did this show was that he got paid some

964
01:01:14.480 --> 01:01:16.320
bank and good for him.

965
01:01:16.519 --> 01:01:19.199
But he did have he did have two pips.

966
01:01:19.559 --> 01:01:25.239
He had two pish Yeah, two pip Kim. But the

967
01:01:25.920 --> 01:01:28.800
whould that have been done in a slightly different way? Yeah,

968
01:01:29.000 --> 01:01:33.119
We're there some funny jokes in there as a result. Yeah,

969
01:01:33.159 --> 01:01:36.559
but man, I hope this is the last we hear

970
01:01:36.599 --> 01:01:39.280
about Kim not being promoted in Star Trek. It just

971
01:01:39.440 --> 01:01:43.239
I'm just tired of it. So those are kind of

972
01:01:43.280 --> 01:01:49.960
like my overall thoughts specifically. Let's see, there's several things

973
01:01:50.000 --> 01:01:54.239
specifically I want to talk about. You get the whole

974
01:01:54.280 --> 01:01:59.559
like plasma blast from from uh oh my god, I

975
01:01:59.599 --> 01:02:02.960
just lost name from Rutherford's eye thing at the beginning

976
01:02:03.000 --> 01:02:05.599
of the show that never comes back up. I'm assuming

977
01:02:05.639 --> 01:02:07.440
that maybe that's going to come back up in the

978
01:02:07.480 --> 01:02:10.199
final episode, but otherwise it was just kind of a

979
01:02:10.679 --> 01:02:13.280
it is. Well, thanks for the spoiler alert.

980
01:02:14.920 --> 01:02:15.719
I didn't say.

981
01:02:17.639 --> 01:02:19.760
No I didn't ask you to tell me what happens.

982
01:02:19.800 --> 01:02:23.199
I just said, I wonder if that's no, But Charles,

983
01:02:23.280 --> 01:02:26.599
Charles just told no, I didn't ask. Okay, So anyway,

984
01:02:26.719 --> 01:02:29.159
apparently that's going to come up in the future. It

985
01:02:29.239 --> 01:02:31.000
was a little weird that it didn't come back up

986
01:02:31.079 --> 01:02:34.840
in this episode. I do love the fact that they

987
01:02:35.639 --> 01:02:37.800
that to Paul, that we get to see it got

988
01:02:37.840 --> 01:02:40.880
to be married to Trip for sixty three years because

989
01:02:40.960 --> 01:02:45.159
as we all know, Trip spoiler alert dies in enterprise

990
01:02:45.239 --> 01:02:50.280
and so she actually doesn't get that like opportunity. So

991
01:02:50.320 --> 01:02:54.960
I'm I'm super glad that that she did. The Garrick

992
01:02:55.280 --> 01:02:58.280
the Sheer thing amazing. I mean, fans have been talking

993
01:02:58.280 --> 01:03:01.519
about that for years. Finally it's on screen. I love

994
01:03:01.639 --> 01:03:07.599
that they did that. I'm with Jim on the multiverse thing,

995
01:03:07.599 --> 01:03:09.639
as I was saying, but like I said, there's a

996
01:03:10.320 --> 01:03:14.960
there's an out, so it's not so bad. Let's see

997
01:03:16.199 --> 01:03:19.960
Les Sloan. Oh man, it was awesome to have her back.

998
01:03:20.000 --> 01:03:22.800
And the fact that this Lily Sloan that we see

999
01:03:23.000 --> 01:03:26.280
comes from a reality where warp drive was never invented,

1000
01:03:26.679 --> 01:03:29.719
but want them drive was, and they can bounce from

1001
01:03:29.760 --> 01:03:32.360
reality to reality. I thought that was a really cool

1002
01:03:32.519 --> 01:03:35.800
kind of like way of looking at you know, I mean,

1003
01:03:35.800 --> 01:03:37.840
if you're going to do Multiverse, that's a great way

1004
01:03:37.880 --> 01:03:42.519
to kind of pull you entirely out of the star

1005
01:03:42.559 --> 01:03:45.239
trek that we know and give us a different kind

1006
01:03:45.239 --> 01:03:46.920
of star trek. And in fact, I mean we already

1007
01:03:47.000 --> 01:03:49.719
kind of knew about Multiverse and Timeline ever since two

1008
01:03:49.760 --> 01:03:53.280
thousand and nine. Right, Like the entire Helvin movie series

1009
01:03:53.360 --> 01:03:57.559
is all based on there being at least three universes Prime,

1010
01:03:58.159 --> 01:04:01.800
Mirror and Kelvin. So it's not like we didn't know

1011
01:04:02.760 --> 01:04:05.079
that there were more universes, although I did. Like there's

1012
01:04:05.119 --> 01:04:06.760
that one line that one of the Kim says was

1013
01:04:06.880 --> 01:04:08.960
He's like, what what do you mean there are more

1014
01:04:09.000 --> 01:04:16.280
than two universes? That was pretty funny. He makes a

1015
01:04:16.320 --> 01:04:19.039
couple of other Kim comments, you know, that's very Unkim

1016
01:04:19.199 --> 01:04:25.280
like behavior. He liked that to Paul absorbing multiple contrasts,

1017
01:04:25.280 --> 01:04:28.400
Please don't comment on this. I'm wondering if that's going

1018
01:04:28.440 --> 01:04:30.360
to come up in the final episode as well, and

1019
01:04:30.400 --> 01:04:37.039
I'm excited if it does. Let's see, there were a

1020
01:04:37.119 --> 01:04:40.239
bunch of other kind of like familiar things that came up,

1021
01:04:40.280 --> 01:04:43.199
Like I remember seeing the one Kim that was absolutely

1022
01:04:43.199 --> 01:04:47.039
in the uniform from the Voyager episode Drive that I

1023
01:04:47.079 --> 01:04:49.400
thought was kind of fun. Apparently he must be. It

1024
01:04:49.400 --> 01:04:52.199
looked like he was the one who got trapped in

1025
01:04:52.239 --> 01:04:54.480
the delta quadrant and actually never made it home. Remember

1026
01:04:54.480 --> 01:04:55.960
there's that whole thing like are you one of the

1027
01:04:55.960 --> 01:04:57.639
ones that made it back or did you get trapped

1028
01:04:57.639 --> 01:04:59.800
in the delta quadrant? And they were trying to just

1029
01:05:00.239 --> 01:05:03.079
which one he was, and I think just the Drive

1030
01:05:03.480 --> 01:05:06.719
Kim was the one who ended up being trapped in

1031
01:05:06.760 --> 01:05:13.079
the delta quadrant. That was hilarious. I don't know, is

1032
01:05:13.239 --> 01:05:16.079
is Oh, here's a question. I have the aliens there

1033
01:05:16.159 --> 01:05:21.119
the where were they Quopians or Qutopians or something like that,

1034
01:05:21.199 --> 01:05:23.599
the ones that everybody thought were gonna be nice but

1035
01:05:23.639 --> 01:05:25.559
then turned out to be mean. Is that what Moopsie

1036
01:05:25.719 --> 01:05:29.880
was with Muzia que Utopian or whatever.

1037
01:05:30.039 --> 01:05:36.320
No, this was shown up in back to my show notes,

1038
01:05:39.440 --> 01:05:43.079
What'd you do about Boemler? We saw them in that episode.

1039
01:05:44.880 --> 01:05:47.679
Okay, I mean there was that that comment about like, well,

1040
01:05:47.679 --> 01:05:50.320
at least I don't drink our bones or something like that.

1041
01:05:50.360 --> 01:05:52.719
So I wondered if there was a little connection there

1042
01:05:52.800 --> 01:05:53.039
or not.

1043
01:05:53.119 --> 01:05:53.800
But uh.

1044
01:05:58.039 --> 01:06:02.199
Okay, okay. I love that we got to actually see

1045
01:06:02.239 --> 01:06:05.360
Curzon a little bit more because we only see Curzon

1046
01:06:05.559 --> 01:06:07.960
in DS nine in a couple of flashbacks, and then

1047
01:06:08.000 --> 01:06:10.360
we see kind of like the personality of Curzon in

1048
01:06:10.400 --> 01:06:15.039
that one episode where Dax's like previous personalities and habit

1049
01:06:15.440 --> 01:06:17.519
members of the crew and they sort of come back

1050
01:06:17.559 --> 01:06:20.800
and interact with her. So it was cool to actually

1051
01:06:20.880 --> 01:06:23.760
see Curson in the flesh for an extended period of time.

1052
01:06:24.360 --> 01:06:27.920
And to me, he was very shacks like, you know,

1053
01:06:28.840 --> 01:06:32.039
I don't like, he's ready to use his bat left

1054
01:06:32.079 --> 01:06:35.960
to do whatever needed to be done. Oh and the

1055
01:06:36.079 --> 01:06:41.840
comment about the borg Kurk, that totally the second I

1056
01:06:41.880 --> 01:06:44.760
heard that, I started laughing so hard because I don't

1057
01:06:44.760 --> 01:06:47.320
know how many of you have read those William Shatner.

1058
01:06:47.440 --> 01:06:52.719
That William Shatner novel The Return where dead Kirk is

1059
01:06:52.840 --> 01:06:56.039
resurrected and becomes a borg. This is a book written

1060
01:06:56.039 --> 01:06:58.800
by William Shatner because he didn't like the way that

1061
01:06:58.880 --> 01:07:01.440
Kirk died in Generation and so he wanted a different

1062
01:07:01.559 --> 01:07:04.199
death for him, so he wrote a book about it.

1063
01:07:04.639 --> 01:07:07.440
Hilarious that they that they brought in that beta canon stuff.

1064
01:07:08.280 --> 01:07:13.159
So lots of stuff to like, lots of references, the

1065
01:07:13.199 --> 01:07:15.960
timing of the show was a little weird, and the

1066
01:07:16.079 --> 01:07:21.400
jokes were pretty good but not amazing. So so I

1067
01:07:21.519 --> 01:07:23.599
can't quite go as high as you guys are going.

1068
01:07:23.599 --> 01:07:25.880
I mean, I definitely enjoyed the episode, and I watched

1069
01:07:25.920 --> 01:07:28.199
it twice and I got different stuff out of it

1070
01:07:28.239 --> 01:07:32.960
the second time, so that says something. So, without modifying

1071
01:07:33.000 --> 01:07:34.960
my score from what I wrote down before I heard

1072
01:07:34.960 --> 01:07:39.639
you guys, I gave this show an eight, a solid

1073
01:07:39.679 --> 01:07:44.000
eight that was great, but not definitely not the best

1074
01:07:44.039 --> 01:07:46.320
lower decks that I've seen personally.

1075
01:07:46.679 --> 01:07:51.039
So can I offer you some cookers to change your mind? No?

1076
01:07:51.559 --> 01:07:53.360
I mean here in nine point nine kind of what

1077
01:07:53.519 --> 01:07:54.920
makes me want to give it a four just to

1078
01:07:54.960 --> 01:07:58.920
bring the average one? But I honestly thought it was

1079
01:07:58.960 --> 01:07:59.960
about an eight myself.

1080
01:08:00.039 --> 01:08:01.880
And oh, come on, you gotta go with a decimal

1081
01:08:01.880 --> 01:08:02.679
in honor.

1082
01:08:02.400 --> 01:08:05.519
Of Paul, well some point nine. Then you know it's

1083
01:08:05.559 --> 01:08:07.239
more point nine than an eight point one.

1084
01:08:07.559 --> 01:08:15.360
You gotta go with a decimal just for Paul, for

1085
01:08:15.400 --> 01:08:21.600
Paul he loves Yeah, I gotta get a seven and nine.

1086
01:08:22.800 --> 01:08:25.479
So overall, what does that What does that leave us

1087
01:08:25.520 --> 01:08:27.720
with Charles actually.

1088
01:08:27.840 --> 01:08:30.920
Actually working in the numbers at seven point nine actually

1089
01:08:31.039 --> 01:08:36.239
works and this is I think a rare occasion. The

1090
01:08:38.359 --> 01:08:41.880
fans gave it a nine point two, the house gave

1091
01:08:41.920 --> 01:08:42.960
it a nine point two.

1092
01:08:44.640 --> 01:08:48.199
That is rare. Wow, that is very rare that that

1093
01:08:48.239 --> 01:08:53.159
hardly ever happens. Wow. All right, guys. So that wraps

1094
01:08:53.279 --> 01:08:56.560
up our discussion on Star Trek Lower Deck Season five,

1095
01:08:56.720 --> 01:09:00.479
episode nine Fiss Requests. Next week we're gonna talk about

1096
01:09:00.560 --> 01:09:04.840
the next the new next Generation, which is the season

1097
01:09:04.920 --> 01:09:09.239
five and episode finale of Lower Decks. So please search

1098
01:09:09.359 --> 01:09:12.399
our socials so that you can be heard in our

1099
01:09:12.479 --> 01:09:17.359
polls and get your opinion mentioned on the episode. And

1100
01:09:17.439 --> 01:09:19.359
you know what time it is. Now. This is the

1101
01:09:19.399 --> 01:09:22.119
part of the show where we do our Star Trek birthdays,

1102
01:09:22.399 --> 01:09:45.920
and that means we have to play our song no

1103
01:09:46.039 --> 01:09:48.199
War if that wasn't you say that every week? And

1104
01:09:48.279 --> 01:09:50.840
I love it and I love what David put up

1105
01:09:50.840 --> 01:09:54.479
on the screen. Gotta love that. Gotta love my engineer.

1106
01:09:54.520 --> 01:09:59.399
He's quite the guy, all right, guys. So this is

1107
01:09:59.399 --> 01:10:00.600
the part of the show how where we do our

1108
01:10:00.640 --> 01:10:03.880
Star Trek birthdays, and we always start off with Eric

1109
01:10:04.359 --> 01:10:07.479
and sadly enough, we're going to remember those members of

1110
01:10:07.479 --> 01:10:10.399
our Star Trek family who are no longer with us. Eric,

1111
01:10:10.960 --> 01:10:12.840
take it away, yeah, Jim.

1112
01:10:12.840 --> 01:10:15.039
This week we're gonna remember six members of our Star

1113
01:10:15.079 --> 01:10:17.720
Trek community who have gone before us. The very first

1114
01:10:17.840 --> 01:10:22.079
is actor Ruder Rudy Solari. Rudy Solari was the actor

1115
01:10:22.119 --> 01:10:25.760
who played Salash in the TOS third season episode The

1116
01:10:25.880 --> 01:10:31.600
Paradise Syndrome. Rudy definitely became a household name in series

1117
01:10:31.640 --> 01:10:36.279
like Gun Smoke, Outer Limits, Big Valley Mission, Impossible Police Story,

1118
01:10:36.760 --> 01:10:39.640
and quincy Me Back in the Day, but he made

1119
01:10:39.640 --> 01:10:42.199
his first film debut with a brief appearance in the

1120
01:10:42.279 --> 01:10:46.359
nineteen sixty one classic Judgment at Nuremberg, which also featured

1121
01:10:46.399 --> 01:10:48.319
somebody else you may have heard of from Star Trek

1122
01:10:48.439 --> 01:10:52.840
named William Shatner. Unfortunately, Rudy died of cancer in nineteen

1123
01:10:52.960 --> 01:10:56.399
ninety one at a young age fifty six years old.

1124
01:10:57.239 --> 01:11:01.319
He was a popular acting coach and theater director, and

1125
01:11:01.359 --> 01:11:04.640
actually once had a theater named after him. It has

1126
01:11:04.680 --> 01:11:09.479
since been renamed Happy Birthday Rudy's Solari Happy Birthday as

1127
01:11:09.479 --> 01:11:13.319
well to Richard Dick Miller. Dick Miller was a veteran

1128
01:11:13.359 --> 01:11:16.640
actor who has appeared in two Star Trek spinoff series.

1129
01:11:16.640 --> 01:11:19.760
He first portrayed the holographic news vendor in the Next

1130
01:11:19.800 --> 01:11:23.399
Generation first season episode The Big Goodbye, and then later

1131
01:11:23.479 --> 01:11:26.680
appeared as Vinn in the Deep Space nine third season

1132
01:11:26.720 --> 01:11:30.319
episode Past Tense Part one and Part two, of course,

1133
01:11:30.359 --> 01:11:35.359
which are set well last year now. Miller was a

1134
01:11:35.439 --> 01:11:39.199
veteran of campy and often humorous science fiction and horror movies.

1135
01:11:39.680 --> 01:11:42.600
Began as a regular in the Roger Corman films and

1136
01:11:42.680 --> 01:11:46.960
later in films directed by Joe Dante. He made his

1137
01:11:47.119 --> 01:11:51.920
film debut back in nineteen fifty five in Horman's movie

1138
01:11:52.359 --> 01:11:55.359
patche Woman, and if you look him up on IMDb,

1139
01:11:55.600 --> 01:11:59.720
he now has over two hundred credits to his name,

1140
01:12:00.159 --> 01:12:02.680
far too many for me to go through. Let's say,

1141
01:12:02.760 --> 01:12:05.520
Dick Miller a very prolific actor. We lost him just

1142
01:12:05.600 --> 01:12:08.560
back in twenty nineteen at the right old age of

1143
01:12:08.760 --> 01:12:10.760
ninety years old. Happy Birthday?

1144
01:12:10.800 --> 01:12:16.640
Did That's that's where I remember him from? Yeah?

1145
01:12:16.680 --> 01:12:19.640
Absolutely, He's got so many great roles and movies over

1146
01:12:19.680 --> 01:12:23.640
the years, So go check him out. Happy Birthday as well.

1147
01:12:23.680 --> 01:12:30.039
To Elisha Van Slick Cook Junior, He's a He's mostly

1148
01:12:30.079 --> 01:12:33.760
known and loved in Star Trek as Samuel T. Pogley

1149
01:12:34.119 --> 01:12:39.680
in the TOS first season episode Fort Marshall. Very familiar actor.

1150
01:12:39.920 --> 01:12:44.880
You know, he's a very short of stature person. A

1151
01:12:44.960 --> 01:12:51.239
former vaudevillian, had a prestigious Hollywood career spanning nearly six decades.

1152
01:12:52.520 --> 01:12:57.159
He made frequent appearances in many shows as a mobster.

1153
01:12:57.800 --> 01:13:00.560
He was on Magnum p I from nineteen eighty three

1154
01:13:00.560 --> 01:13:04.479
to nineteen eighty eight and made guest appearances all over

1155
01:13:04.479 --> 01:13:08.680
the place. Was also featured in several classic films, including

1156
01:13:08.880 --> 01:13:13.960
The Maltese Falcon, The Big Sleep House on Haunted Hill.

1157
01:13:14.119 --> 01:13:16.359
I mean these are these are like banger movies, so

1158
01:13:16.399 --> 01:13:18.319
he's been in a whole bunch of them. You should

1159
01:13:18.319 --> 01:13:22.000
also go check out his IMDb page. But we lost

1160
01:13:22.079 --> 01:13:25.319
Elisha back in nineteen ninety five at the age of

1161
01:13:25.560 --> 01:13:30.000
ninety one years old. Happy birthday to Elisha Cooke Junior.

1162
01:13:30.840 --> 01:13:34.279
Happy birthday as well to Charles Maxwell. He's the actor

1163
01:13:34.279 --> 01:13:38.560
who played Virgil in the TOS third season episode Specter

1164
01:13:38.640 --> 01:13:41.920
of the Gun. Of course, Virgil was the older brother

1165
01:13:42.000 --> 01:13:45.880
to Wyatt Earth If you feel like you recognize that name.

1166
01:13:46.359 --> 01:13:50.880
Charles Maxwell made guest appearances on The High Chaparral, Bonanza,

1167
01:13:51.079 --> 01:13:54.000
Gun Smoke, and was also the voice of Radio of

1168
01:13:54.079 --> 01:13:58.000
the radio broadcaster throughout the entire run of Gilligan's Island.

1169
01:13:58.039 --> 01:14:01.720
Every Time You Heard That Radio Guy Charles Maxwell. He

1170
01:14:01.800 --> 01:14:05.479
also appeared in such films as The Search for Bridy McMurphy,

1171
01:14:06.159 --> 01:14:10.760
The Power of the Resurrection, and Brainstorm from nineteen sixty five,

1172
01:14:10.880 --> 01:14:14.600
Happy Birthday, Charles Maxwell lost back in nineteen ninety three

1173
01:14:14.720 --> 01:14:18.560
at seventy nine years old. Happy Birthday as well to

1174
01:14:18.760 --> 01:14:22.520
David Wesley Frohman. I mixed up the order there. Sorry

1175
01:14:22.520 --> 01:14:25.239
about that. I always saved the best for last. He's

1176
01:14:25.279 --> 01:14:30.039
the veteran television actor and drama instructor who played Commander

1177
01:14:30.119 --> 01:14:34.079
Kaniera in the Next Generation first season episode Heart of Glory.

1178
01:14:34.479 --> 01:14:37.760
He's perhaps best known for his reoccurring role as Lieutenant

1179
01:14:37.760 --> 01:14:42.159
Bob Brooks on the NBC television series Mattlock from nineteen

1180
01:14:42.199 --> 01:14:45.199
eighty six through nineteen ninety four. In fact, in nineteen

1181
01:14:45.199 --> 01:14:47.960
eighty six, Froman also guest starred on an episode of

1182
01:14:48.039 --> 01:14:51.840
the Prime adventure series p J. Hooker, also starring and

1183
01:14:51.880 --> 01:14:55.960
featuring mister Bill Shatner. After Matt Locke endited its run

1184
01:14:56.000 --> 01:14:59.439
in ninety four, Froman returned to Miami and rejoined the

1185
01:14:59.439 --> 01:15:02.720
faculty at A and M College, where he remained as

1186
01:15:02.760 --> 01:15:06.399
a full time instructor until two thousand and two. He

1187
01:15:06.479 --> 01:15:09.479
also worked with the Miami Little Theater for many years,

1188
01:15:09.920 --> 01:15:12.159
and in August of two thousand and seven, he continued

1189
01:15:12.199 --> 01:15:15.199
working at the College as a part time drama instructor,

1190
01:15:15.239 --> 01:15:19.439
where he remained until his death from cancer in twenty ten.

1191
01:15:19.520 --> 01:15:23.119
He was seventy one years old. Happy birthday to David

1192
01:15:23.239 --> 01:15:27.000
Wesley Frohman and now David, back it up once because

1193
01:15:27.800 --> 01:15:30.680
for our finale we will say happy birthday to the one,

1194
01:15:31.079 --> 01:15:36.680
the only. Nachelle Nichols course known as Lieutenant Uhura in

1195
01:15:36.760 --> 01:15:39.840
the original series. She also provided the voice for a

1196
01:15:40.000 --> 01:15:44.359
number of other characters on the animated series. She was

1197
01:15:44.359 --> 01:15:48.439
actually originally discovered by jazz legend Duke Ellington in her

1198
01:15:48.479 --> 01:15:52.479
mid teens and began touring with Ellington and Lionel Hampton

1199
01:15:53.039 --> 01:15:56.239
as a lead singer and dancer. She didn't break into

1200
01:15:56.319 --> 01:15:59.880
acting until the film porgyan Bess in nineteen fifty nine,

1201
01:16:00.279 --> 01:16:05.520
and had an acting career that lasted over forty five years.

1202
01:16:06.159 --> 01:16:06.279
Now.

1203
01:16:06.319 --> 01:16:07.560
I don't know if you know this or not, but

1204
01:16:07.680 --> 01:16:12.640
Nichols actually lobbied to appear as Guynan's daughter in the

1205
01:16:12.680 --> 01:16:17.840
Next Generation. Richard Arnold in fact added that by suggesting

1206
01:16:19.359 --> 01:16:22.560
added to that by suggesting that at the Los Angeles

1207
01:16:22.600 --> 01:16:26.159
Creation Convention in nineteen ninety she might appear as Guynan's

1208
01:16:26.199 --> 01:16:29.760
mother or daughter. However, neither came to pass, and I'm

1209
01:16:29.760 --> 01:16:31.399
not really sure why. It would have been kind of

1210
01:16:31.439 --> 01:16:35.479
cool to see Michelle Nichols play a different role other

1211
01:16:35.560 --> 01:16:38.920
than Overa, but we never got to see that. She

1212
01:16:39.239 --> 01:16:42.439
was the first African American actress to play to place

1213
01:16:42.520 --> 01:16:46.920
her handprints in front of Grumman's Chinese Theater in Hollywood,

1214
01:16:47.159 --> 01:16:49.000
along with the rest of the Star Trek cast, and

1215
01:16:49.039 --> 01:16:51.239
I of course have seen that. I believe Charles and

1216
01:16:51.279 --> 01:16:53.399
I may have been together when we saw that. In

1217
01:16:53.479 --> 01:16:56.159
nineteen ninety two, she earned her star on the Hollywood

1218
01:16:56.319 --> 01:16:58.600
Block of Fame, and in two thousand and six she

1219
01:16:58.720 --> 01:17:01.319
returned to the role over her, of course, in the

1220
01:17:01.479 --> 01:17:04.520
fan film Star Trek of Gods and Men, which if

1221
01:17:04.560 --> 01:17:07.239
you haven't seen it yet, you definitely should give it

1222
01:17:07.279 --> 01:17:11.279
a whirl. After meeting Nichols at a Star Trek convention

1223
01:17:11.359 --> 01:17:16.840
in nineteen seventy five, scientist doctor Jesco von Putcommerce suggested

1224
01:17:16.880 --> 01:17:21.239
that the actress take part in NASA's recruitment drive. Nichols

1225
01:17:21.279 --> 01:17:24.039
took up the role in nineteen seventy seven, making recruitment

1226
01:17:24.119 --> 01:17:29.279
and training films and supervised astronaut recruiting and hopefuls. She

1227
01:17:29.359 --> 01:17:32.600
noted that within six months, the applicant count went from

1228
01:17:32.680 --> 01:17:37.359
fewer than one hundred a year who over sixteen hundred.

1229
01:17:37.920 --> 01:17:41.039
Most of the recruits that she attracted were women or

1230
01:17:41.079 --> 01:17:44.760
from ethnic minorities. For her efforts, Nichols was named as

1231
01:17:44.880 --> 01:17:48.439
NASA's Woman of the Year in nineteen seventy nine. And

1232
01:17:48.439 --> 01:17:51.079
if you'd like to know more about her role in

1233
01:17:51.199 --> 01:17:54.520
NASA and the recruitment process, you can see the most

1234
01:17:54.680 --> 01:17:58.479
excellent movie Woman in Motion, which just came out a

1235
01:17:58.479 --> 01:18:01.640
few years ago. Would anybody else like to say anything

1236
01:18:01.640 --> 01:18:04.319
about Michelle Nichols while while we've got you here.

1237
01:18:04.960 --> 01:18:08.560
Well, I just finished reading the graphic novel by Jeorge

1238
01:18:08.560 --> 01:18:13.279
Decay called They Called Us Enemy, And I was, first

1239
01:18:13.279 --> 01:18:17.039
of all, if you haven't read that, you have to.

1240
01:18:17.319 --> 01:18:19.079
It's just it's wow.

1241
01:18:19.319 --> 01:18:21.119
I've got to copy, David if you want to borrow.

1242
01:18:20.880 --> 01:18:24.960
It for people. For people that say something like that

1243
01:18:25.439 --> 01:18:30.920
can never happen here it did, and especially with what's

1244
01:18:31.000 --> 01:18:35.239
going on in our political arena right now and the

1245
01:18:35.279 --> 01:18:38.279
threat of things that might happen, I think it's more

1246
01:18:38.279 --> 01:18:41.760
important now than ever to not forget history and make

1247
01:18:41.800 --> 01:18:44.840
sure it doesn't happen again. But the reason why I

1248
01:18:44.880 --> 01:18:47.479
bring that up is there's a there's a chapter in

1249
01:18:47.479 --> 01:18:51.159
that book where George meets Michelle because he was doing

1250
01:18:51.239 --> 01:18:55.119
a play about the graphic novel and she was in it,

1251
01:18:55.239 --> 01:18:59.159
and he met her before they were on Star Trek,

1252
01:18:59.640 --> 01:19:02.079
and he actually mentions it in the book. He says

1253
01:19:02.119 --> 01:19:05.560
that he met her and he didn't know how integral

1254
01:19:06.000 --> 01:19:09.520
his relationship to her would end up being in the future.

1255
01:19:09.920 --> 01:19:12.399
So you haven't. If you haven't checked that out, please do.

1256
01:19:12.920 --> 01:19:17.000
It's great and George meeting Michelle before they were on

1257
01:19:17.079 --> 01:19:19.920
Star Trek was awesome, and I just just wanted to

1258
01:19:19.960 --> 01:19:21.840
throw that out there. I did. I did meet her

1259
01:19:21.880 --> 01:19:24.720
at a Star Trek convention and I had an autograph

1260
01:19:24.800 --> 01:19:26.960
of her doing the fan dance from none other than

1261
01:19:27.399 --> 01:19:32.520
the Greatest Star Trek movie ever five And she was

1262
01:19:32.680 --> 01:19:36.479
very gracious, very nice lady, and I just can't say

1263
01:19:36.560 --> 01:19:38.119
enough good about her.

1264
01:19:38.880 --> 01:19:41.800
So, yeah, she talks about that that part in Star

1265
01:19:41.840 --> 01:19:46.319
Trek five, actually, Jim, because of course in Star Trek

1266
01:19:46.880 --> 01:19:49.359
only in a couple of episodes did they actually get

1267
01:19:49.399 --> 01:19:52.479
to feature her voice, and they never until then really

1268
01:19:52.479 --> 01:19:55.920
got to feature her dancing talents. And so in Star

1269
01:19:55.960 --> 01:19:58.720
Trek five, when she got to sing and dance, she

1270
01:19:58.840 --> 01:20:00.640
felt like that was a very shell moment.

1271
01:20:01.479 --> 01:20:04.000
Yeah, until they took her singing out. I don't know

1272
01:20:04.039 --> 01:20:07.399
if it was Shady or the studio, but they took

1273
01:20:07.439 --> 01:20:11.079
her singing out and didn't tell her ridiculously. She wasn't

1274
01:20:11.079 --> 01:20:14.520
happy about that, but she was definitely a class act

1275
01:20:14.760 --> 01:20:15.640
all the way around.

1276
01:20:16.119 --> 01:20:19.840
Yeah. Well, so of course, oh go ahead, Charles.

1277
01:20:20.439 --> 01:20:26.479
And conventions, I made a few, a couple of conventions

1278
01:20:26.479 --> 01:20:28.279
she was there. She was.

1279
01:20:30.159 --> 01:20:34.039
She made one visit on stage draft the fiftieth, and

1280
01:20:35.119 --> 01:20:40.000
wasn't able to really go on stage, but she'd still

1281
01:20:40.039 --> 01:20:43.600
be in the dealer's room, and she was always.

1282
01:20:43.159 --> 01:20:46.680
So friendly to anybody who came to meet her and

1283
01:20:46.800 --> 01:20:48.479
speak with her.

1284
01:20:48.960 --> 01:20:50.880
But it was just nice the fact that she's one

1285
01:20:50.920 --> 01:20:53.600
that she'd show up the entire convention just to be

1286
01:20:53.640 --> 01:20:56.000
in the dealer's room, just to sit there and speak

1287
01:20:56.039 --> 01:20:57.720
with the fans.

1288
01:21:00.079 --> 01:21:00.720
Pretty amazing.

1289
01:21:00.920 --> 01:21:04.920
And so, yeah, and I definitely agree with the Woman

1290
01:21:05.000 --> 01:21:05.399
in Motion.

1291
01:21:06.239 --> 01:21:08.319
I saw that with our Star Trek group.

1292
01:21:08.119 --> 01:21:12.880
And that movie just gave me entirely new impression of her.

1293
01:21:16.199 --> 01:21:20.039
Yeah, you never really realized how many people looked up

1294
01:21:20.079 --> 01:21:23.640
to her and were inspired by her. All sorts of

1295
01:21:23.680 --> 01:21:26.880
people just came to not only Star Trek, but the

1296
01:21:26.920 --> 01:21:31.640
Space program threw her. Unfortunately, back in twenty eighteen, she

1297
01:21:31.760 --> 01:21:34.039
was diagnosed with dimension We just lost her back in

1298
01:21:34.079 --> 01:21:36.479
twenty twenty two. It feels like yesterday.

1299
01:21:37.680 --> 01:21:41.199
Yeah, and I just there's a picture floating around of

1300
01:21:41.239 --> 01:21:46.399
her with President Obama and for her to meet the

1301
01:21:46.439 --> 01:21:50.560
first black president and for him to tell her that

1302
01:21:50.680 --> 01:21:54.800
she was the reason why it's got to you know,

1303
01:21:55.560 --> 01:21:59.039
how does that make you feel? You know that she

1304
01:21:59.279 --> 01:22:03.199
impacted her presence on the Enterprise and on Star Trek.

1305
01:22:04.319 --> 01:22:11.760
It impacted the lives of countless people, including the president

1306
01:22:11.800 --> 01:22:14.920
of the future president of the United States. I mean,

1307
01:22:15.399 --> 01:22:18.920
that's how influential and how important her role on Star

1308
01:22:19.000 --> 01:22:23.479
Trek was. So yeah, amazing, it is, it is amazing.

1309
01:22:24.720 --> 01:22:25.279
So yeah, So.

1310
01:22:25.279 --> 01:22:28.920
Happy birthday to Michelle Nichols. We really really miss you

1311
01:22:29.000 --> 01:22:33.760
and we we just can't even quantify your your influence

1312
01:22:34.399 --> 01:22:38.079
on the planet. So Happy Birthday. And that does it

1313
01:22:38.199 --> 01:22:42.279
for our memories this week. So I'm going to pass

1314
01:22:42.359 --> 01:22:45.680
this this birthday microphone over to Charles.

1315
01:22:45.920 --> 01:22:49.960
Oh, thank you. Eric. Let's start off with a happy birthday.

1316
01:22:50.039 --> 01:22:57.119
And Melanie Scorfano played Captain Marie Batell, the commanding officer

1317
01:22:57.359 --> 01:22:59.399
of the USS.

1318
01:23:00.920 --> 01:23:02.960
Sai Siyaga.

1319
01:23:03.720 --> 01:23:08.520
She was also she was also an officer and the

1320
01:23:08.640 --> 01:23:15.720
judge Obvioacy General's office in Strange New Worlds.

1321
01:23:15.720 --> 01:23:20.439
Happy Birthday, Andy Dick. It's an actor comedian who portrayed

1322
01:23:20.479 --> 01:23:24.399
the e m H Mark two in Star Trek Voyagers

1323
01:23:24.640 --> 01:23:27.039
fourth season episode Message in a Bottle.

1324
01:23:28.399 --> 01:23:29.039
As we just.

1325
01:23:28.960 --> 01:23:34.279
Talked about an EMH in this episode. Happy Birthday.

1326
01:23:34.399 --> 01:23:35.079
Nicole D.

1327
01:23:36.199 --> 01:23:39.920
Lawyer it's a Canadian actress who played Ezra Dax during

1328
01:23:39.920 --> 01:23:45.640
the seventh season of Star Trek d Space nine. Last

1329
01:23:45.680 --> 01:23:48.800
on my list, but definitely not the bottom of my list.

1330
01:23:49.239 --> 01:23:53.439
It's very happy birthday. And the Michelle Hurd, American actress

1331
01:23:53.439 --> 01:23:59.640
who played Rathbe Musker in Star Trek per Card which

1332
01:23:59.680 --> 01:24:06.079
would more ready. She was great, not serious.

1333
01:24:06.319 --> 01:24:09.359
I'll just tell you man. I saw her on stage

1334
01:24:10.159 --> 01:24:12.680
at I believe it was Phantom Fest last year here

1335
01:24:12.680 --> 01:24:16.239
in Portland, and I like. I haven't been to as

1336
01:24:16.279 --> 01:24:19.479
many conventions as like as Uncle Jim has been, but

1337
01:24:20.159 --> 01:24:22.399
I've been to quite a few, and I will say

1338
01:24:22.439 --> 01:24:25.079
that she is probably one of the most interesting people

1339
01:24:25.199 --> 01:24:27.439
I have ever listened to talk on stage.

1340
01:24:27.439 --> 01:24:27.640
Man.

1341
01:24:27.760 --> 01:24:31.439
She is politically active. She was the one who was

1342
01:24:31.479 --> 01:24:34.119
basically one of the leaders of the whole sag Afro

1343
01:24:34.199 --> 01:24:39.920
Striker last year. She is very strong willed, strong minded,

1344
01:24:40.039 --> 01:24:44.399
and yet compassionate and loving, and she just exudes nothing

1345
01:24:44.439 --> 01:24:48.680
but positive energy. She I loved her character, and I

1346
01:24:48.720 --> 01:24:50.920
loved her as an actress, and then when I got

1347
01:24:50.920 --> 01:24:53.680
to see her on stage, I like loved her twice

1348
01:24:53.720 --> 01:24:56.640
as much. She's an amazing person, Yes she is.

1349
01:24:56.720 --> 01:24:59.640
I would love to get a chance to meet her myself.

1350
01:24:59.640 --> 01:25:02.399
I haven't haven't had the opportunity, but she's one of

1351
01:25:02.399 --> 01:25:06.840
those ones that I definitely want to meet for sure.

1352
01:25:16.680 --> 01:25:17.880
I can definitely take it.

1353
01:25:17.960 --> 01:25:22.399
Okay, some living birthdays too.

1354
01:25:22.119 --> 01:25:22.720
How about that?

1355
01:25:22.760 --> 01:25:23.079
All right?

1356
01:25:23.119 --> 01:25:26.000
We're saying happy birthday this week to Dina Meyer, the

1357
01:25:26.039 --> 01:25:30.479
actress who played Commander Danatra in Star Trek Nemesis, but

1358
01:25:30.600 --> 01:25:34.000
she's perhaps best known for her role as Dizzy Flores

1359
01:25:34.319 --> 01:25:39.560
in Starship Troopers from nineteen ninety seven. Well, let's be honest,

1360
01:25:39.920 --> 01:25:43.960
we all love Denatra because she's awesome, right, and David

1361
01:25:44.000 --> 01:25:46.720
knows that she is probably one of the best cards

1362
01:25:46.760 --> 01:25:49.600
in Star Trek Tack Wing too, so I love her

1363
01:25:49.600 --> 01:25:53.800
on that front as well. Like it's a happy birthday,

1364
01:25:53.800 --> 01:25:57.279
Dina Meyer. Happy birthday as well to Noel Wells, the

1365
01:25:57.319 --> 01:26:01.920
American actress, comedian, director, musician and writer who voices Devona

1366
01:26:02.159 --> 01:26:04.840
Pendy on Star Trek Lower Decks.

1367
01:26:04.840 --> 01:26:05.840
We love you, tend.

1368
01:26:05.840 --> 01:26:09.119
Thanks Noel for making a great character for Lower Decks.

1369
01:26:09.680 --> 01:26:10.760
Happy par Is.

1370
01:26:10.800 --> 01:26:14.920
It just me or did the artists try to capture

1371
01:26:15.359 --> 01:26:20.039
the actors like this yet totally in the characters, because

1372
01:26:20.039 --> 01:26:22.760
if you look at that picture, Yeah, I can see

1373
01:26:22.800 --> 01:26:23.479
her there.

1374
01:26:24.039 --> 01:26:28.760
No absolutely the smile, the eyes, the and when you

1375
01:26:28.840 --> 01:26:31.199
hear her in interviews and stuff, she has a personality

1376
01:26:31.199 --> 01:26:33.640
that's sort of tend ish as well. So yeah, I

1377
01:26:33.680 --> 01:26:38.039
absolutely agree with that, Jim. Pretty cool. Let's talk about

1378
01:26:38.039 --> 01:26:40.800
one of my favorite actors from Star Trek Discovery. Happy

1379
01:26:40.840 --> 01:26:44.439
birthday to Wilson Cruz, the American actor who plays doctor

1380
01:26:44.560 --> 01:26:48.119
Hugh Holber on Star Trek Discovery. He appeared as a

1381
01:26:48.159 --> 01:26:51.279
reoccurring guest star in the first season, and was promoted

1382
01:26:51.319 --> 01:26:54.640
to a regular cast member from the second season onwards.

1383
01:26:54.680 --> 01:26:57.079
And let me tell you, this guy has got some

1384
01:26:57.239 --> 01:27:00.279
talent and he always looks good in uniforms. So happy

1385
01:27:00.279 --> 01:27:04.600
birthday to Wilson Cruz. And last, but not least on

1386
01:27:04.720 --> 01:27:07.920
Paul's list, we say Happy birthday to Babe new Earth.

1387
01:27:08.560 --> 01:27:11.560
She's the actress who played the role of Linnelle in

1388
01:27:11.640 --> 01:27:17.159
Star Trek The Next Generation's fourth season episode First Unpack.

1389
01:27:18.560 --> 01:27:18.680
Uh.

1390
01:27:19.039 --> 01:27:21.159
And you know you may know her from some other

1391
01:27:21.199 --> 01:27:22.000
things as well.

1392
01:27:26.000 --> 01:27:29.439
Maybe perhaps, maybe.

1393
01:27:28.479 --> 01:27:32.159
Perhaps, So, Yeah, happy birthday, and Jim, I'll pass that

1394
01:27:32.239 --> 01:27:33.520
birthday candle over to you then, brother.

1395
01:27:34.079 --> 01:27:36.640
Yeah, so I always like to do the Klingons well

1396
01:27:36.800 --> 01:27:39.520
because I like to wave my batlith around. But we're

1397
01:27:39.520 --> 01:27:41.840
going to start off with one who's not a Klingon

1398
01:27:43.079 --> 01:27:45.439
because he's in one of my favorite movies, one of

1399
01:27:45.479 --> 01:27:48.960
my Guilty Pleasures movies from the eighties. And yes, Leia

1400
01:27:49.039 --> 01:27:52.039
wants to come and be on camera right now. All right, Leah,

1401
01:27:52.079 --> 01:27:54.680
go ahead, go down there. She's been laying on my

1402
01:27:54.720 --> 01:27:56.479
feet the whole time, and now she wants to come

1403
01:27:56.520 --> 01:27:58.640
up and be in my face. Okay, we want to

1404
01:27:58.680 --> 01:28:03.079
say happy birthday Franklin Jella. He's the Tony Award winning

1405
01:28:03.119 --> 01:28:06.520
American actor who played Jara Essa and Star Trek d

1406
01:28:06.720 --> 01:28:11.439
Space nine second season episodes The Homecoming, The Circle, and

1407
01:28:11.520 --> 01:28:16.880
the Siege. But I'm not particularly remembering for that. I

1408
01:28:17.000 --> 01:28:20.319
want to mention him for He Man and the Masters

1409
01:28:20.439 --> 01:28:23.520
of the Universe. That was a great movie if you

1410
01:28:23.560 --> 01:28:27.039
remember it, and it did have a Star Trek actor

1411
01:28:27.079 --> 01:28:32.359
in it. That's right. Tom Parris himself was in that movie,

1412
01:28:32.720 --> 01:28:37.439
and so was what's her face and what's her face?

1413
01:28:37.479 --> 01:28:40.199
And what's her face? I'm drawing a blank right now.

1414
01:28:41.199 --> 01:28:43.800
Leah is being a nuisance here and she's distracting me.

1415
01:28:44.319 --> 01:28:47.039
But yeah, He Man and the Masters of the Universe,

1416
01:28:47.079 --> 01:28:51.199
Guilty Pleasure. Loved it. And now now we're going to

1417
01:28:51.239 --> 01:28:54.439
get to some quing ons. I want to say go

1418
01:28:54.680 --> 01:28:59.680
blah to Bob Minor, a retired stuntman, stunt actor and

1419
01:28:59.680 --> 01:29:03.479
stunt coordinator who played Barrock in Star Trek Deeps Face

1420
01:29:03.640 --> 01:29:07.239
nine third season episode The Visionary, and there he is

1421
01:29:07.279 --> 01:29:11.239
on the screen. Thank you so much to David. We

1422
01:29:11.319 --> 01:29:15.359
also want to say happy birthday and caplat to Brett Porter.

1423
01:29:16.039 --> 01:29:19.760
He's the actor who portrayed General Stex in Star Trek

1424
01:29:19.920 --> 01:29:25.680
six The Undiscovered Country, the one armed Klingon. I gotta

1425
01:29:25.760 --> 01:29:28.039
imagine that after he lost his arm, he wasn't of

1426
01:29:28.159 --> 01:29:31.079
much use to the Klingon Empire, and it was probably

1427
01:29:31.520 --> 01:29:34.520
thrown out of office and disgraced, because how can a

1428
01:29:34.520 --> 01:29:36.399
one arm Klingon wield a batlith?

1429
01:29:36.920 --> 01:29:39.840
I mean, I always wondered about that, Jim. I love

1430
01:29:39.920 --> 01:29:41.680
that they show him because it's like, oh, he's a

1431
01:29:41.680 --> 01:29:44.039
warrior and he's still alive. But like after we see

1432
01:29:44.079 --> 01:29:46.560
next generation and we realize that Wharf wants to die

1433
01:29:46.640 --> 01:29:49.079
rather than be healed. Wouldn't you think a Klingon that

1434
01:29:49.119 --> 01:29:51.199
loses an arm would rather die than not be able

1435
01:29:51.239 --> 01:29:52.479
to wield a batlest I.

1436
01:29:52.520 --> 01:29:54.880
Would I would think that would be the case. I

1437
01:29:54.920 --> 01:29:57.439
would also think they could have grown him another arm

1438
01:29:58.239 --> 01:30:01.479
by that point. Maybe I don't know, but it was

1439
01:30:01.560 --> 01:30:03.880
cool to see his arm get blown off. That was neat.

1440
01:30:04.479 --> 01:30:08.960
So anyways, so happy birthday to Brett Porter General Stecks

1441
01:30:08.960 --> 01:30:13.960
from Star Trek six The Undiscovered Country. We also want

1442
01:30:14.000 --> 01:30:16.239
to say happy I got a lot of great Klingons here.

1443
01:30:16.560 --> 01:30:19.359
We want to say cup law to Peter Henry Schroeder.

1444
01:30:19.680 --> 01:30:22.800
He's the actor who played the Klingon Chancellor in Star

1445
01:30:22.840 --> 01:30:29.760
Trek Enterprise first season episode Broken Bow. This chancellor is unnamed.

1446
01:30:30.159 --> 01:30:33.039
I searched and searched and searched to try to find

1447
01:30:33.039 --> 01:30:36.720
his name. It's not out there. But this would be

1448
01:30:36.760 --> 01:30:40.479
the first appearance of a Klingon Chancellor ever on Star Trek.

1449
01:30:40.720 --> 01:30:43.319
This would be the first time that that you know,

1450
01:30:43.399 --> 01:30:47.159
Star Trek visited the Klingon home world. And so even

1451
01:30:47.199 --> 01:30:48.880
though he doesn't have a name, and one of my

1452
01:30:49.000 --> 01:30:51.520
rules is if the character doesn't have a name, they

1453
01:30:51.560 --> 01:30:55.760
don't get mentioned. But he's the Klingon Chancellor, for God's sakes,

1454
01:30:55.800 --> 01:30:59.359
I had to mention him. So Happy birthday to Peter

1455
01:30:59.600 --> 01:31:03.520
Henry Schroeder. And now now we have an interesting one.

1456
01:31:03.720 --> 01:31:07.079
Here we go, guys, we want to say compla to

1457
01:31:07.319 --> 01:31:11.319
Damon Runyon and he is the actor who portrayed the

1458
01:31:11.399 --> 01:31:19.880
Klingon leader you Jilly, Yeah in Star Trek Discoveries episode

1459
01:31:19.960 --> 01:31:23.439
Battle of the Binary Stars, Lefa, will you take my hand?

1460
01:31:23.720 --> 01:31:27.000
And Point of Light? I think that's how you pronounce that.

1461
01:31:27.560 --> 01:31:28.439
It's hard to say.

1462
01:31:28.479 --> 01:31:30.800
They never they never say his name on screen, but

1463
01:31:30.880 --> 01:31:31.840
that's my best guess.

1464
01:31:32.079 --> 01:31:35.600
Yeah, he's the head of the House of Mokai and

1465
01:31:36.479 --> 01:31:45.399
yeah you yeah, I'm not even well, maybe we'll make

1466
01:31:45.439 --> 01:31:48.000
that a new rule. If it's not pronounceable, then they

1467
01:31:48.000 --> 01:31:53.439
don't get mentioned. But uh, I just thought he was great.

1468
01:31:53.520 --> 01:31:56.600
I love the Discovery Klingons, and we're going to have

1469
01:31:56.640 --> 01:31:59.279
a discussion about that in next week's episode when we

1470
01:31:59.319 --> 01:32:05.279
talk about Star Trek Discovery, because yeah, the giant freaking

1471
01:32:05.399 --> 01:32:09.079
Robot has this I don't know what you call it,

1472
01:32:09.159 --> 01:32:13.039
this hatred of Discovery and they put out this whole

1473
01:32:13.039 --> 01:32:15.279
thing about how it was erased, and we're going to

1474
01:32:15.359 --> 01:32:18.560
talk about that in great length and great detail next week.

1475
01:32:18.600 --> 01:32:22.039
But happy birthday to Damon run in the head of

1476
01:32:22.039 --> 01:32:25.479
the House of Mokai. And that wraps up our birthdays, guys,

1477
01:32:25.680 --> 01:32:53.960
And now it's time for our Star Trek news. Okay,

1478
01:32:54.000 --> 01:32:57.199
it's odd that I get to start the first story,

1479
01:32:57.239 --> 01:33:00.279
but yeah, this week I have the first story, and

1480
01:33:00.319 --> 01:33:01.960
I want to try to squeeze in as many of

1481
01:33:02.000 --> 01:33:05.720
these section thirty one stories as we can because we're

1482
01:33:05.800 --> 01:33:10.640
quickly winding down to section thirty one. So Section thirty

1483
01:33:10.640 --> 01:33:13.920
one director says the streaming movie is a new flavor

1484
01:33:13.920 --> 01:33:19.239
of Star Trek with a surprise twiss with lower decks ending.

1485
01:33:19.319 --> 01:33:22.319
The next entry for the franchise arrives in just a

1486
01:33:22.359 --> 01:33:25.800
few weeks with the release of Star Trek Section thirty one,

1487
01:33:26.119 --> 01:33:29.239
the movie, which will stream on Paramount Plus in January

1488
01:33:29.680 --> 01:33:33.920
and Sky Showtime in February. Michelle Yo reprises her Star

1489
01:33:33.960 --> 01:33:38.359
Trek Discovery role as Emperor Philippa Georgio, who joins Section

1490
01:33:38.479 --> 01:33:42.159
thirty one, the secret Division of Starfleet. According to the

1491
01:33:42.199 --> 01:33:46.880
brief synopsis, tasked with protecting the United Federation of Planets,

1492
01:33:47.000 --> 01:33:50.720
she also must face the sins of her past. Dun

1493
01:33:50.800 --> 01:33:54.319
dun dum. Here is what Altune day a Sunny had

1494
01:33:54.359 --> 01:33:57.279
to say. We tried to come out and go big.

1495
01:33:57.399 --> 01:34:01.880
Big steaks emotionally big steaks the character in our story

1496
01:34:02.359 --> 01:34:04.720
in comparison to many other series that have come in

1497
01:34:04.760 --> 01:34:08.399
this era, because we all love to compare. The stakes

1498
01:34:08.439 --> 01:34:12.159
are profound as any that we've seen, but with particular

1499
01:34:12.239 --> 01:34:15.960
character driven twists that I hope will surprise and delight

1500
01:34:16.039 --> 01:34:19.119
people who watched a movie. Part of what makes this

1501
01:34:19.239 --> 01:34:23.479
movie so unique is that it's tied inextribably to Georgio.

1502
01:34:24.239 --> 01:34:28.039
She got a fantastic backstory which is epic in its breath.

1503
01:34:28.279 --> 01:34:31.279
It spans time and space in ways that most characters

1504
01:34:31.640 --> 01:34:36.720
don't have the opportunity to explore, like Christmas Morning presents

1505
01:34:36.760 --> 01:34:40.359
for our audience. Having the opportunity to work with Michelle

1506
01:34:40.399 --> 01:34:44.840
again has been pure on mitigated joy. I'm excited for

1507
01:34:44.960 --> 01:34:48.720
viewers to experience a hard hitting, action packed and emotional

1508
01:34:48.800 --> 01:34:51.640
journey through a part of the Star Trek universe that

1509
01:34:51.800 --> 01:34:56.079
hasn't been explored before. It's a new flavor of ice cream,

1510
01:34:56.439 --> 01:34:59.439
another color of the rainbow that is a fresh fit

1511
01:34:59.560 --> 01:35:02.479
in this You universe. In addition to talking about how

1512
01:35:02.479 --> 01:35:05.399
the movie was developed and what fun they had doing

1513
01:35:05.439 --> 01:35:09.000
the fight scenes with Michelle Yeo, there was some discussion

1514
01:35:09.359 --> 01:35:12.000
of the setting of the movie. We know the movie

1515
01:35:12.039 --> 01:35:16.399
is set primarily in the so called Lost Era of

1516
01:35:16.479 --> 01:35:21.760
the twenty fourth century, but the film will include multiple

1517
01:35:21.840 --> 01:35:27.159
time periods, hinting that Hardwicke's long lived Alec could pump

1518
01:35:27.279 --> 01:35:33.279
up pop up in various times. That right there, that

1519
01:35:33.560 --> 01:35:37.199
sentence is the one that got me right there, because

1520
01:35:37.479 --> 01:35:40.039
he's basically saying that the entire movie's not going to

1521
01:35:40.119 --> 01:35:42.720
take place in one place, and that we could see

1522
01:35:42.720 --> 01:35:48.640
some time travel shenanigans going on, and that this character,

1523
01:35:49.800 --> 01:35:53.960
this character Aleck, who I believe is the leader of

1524
01:35:54.000 --> 01:35:58.359
Section thirty one. We don't really know a lot about him,

1525
01:35:58.399 --> 01:36:01.479
but I think he's the leader of Section thirty one

1526
01:36:01.479 --> 01:36:04.039
because in the trailer, he's the one that comes to her.

1527
01:36:05.520 --> 01:36:07.279
You know, I got to see this movie because I'm

1528
01:36:07.319 --> 01:36:15.199
so confused, guys. Okay, I I thought that at the

1529
01:36:15.279 --> 01:36:19.640
end of season two of Star Trek Discovery, Georgio was

1530
01:36:19.720 --> 01:36:24.359
invited into and accepted her role in Section thirty one.

1531
01:36:24.399 --> 01:36:26.039
Am I wrong in saying that.

1532
01:36:26.760 --> 01:36:29.720
Of season one? Beginning of season.

1533
01:36:29.399 --> 01:36:33.039
Two, Yeah, she gets the black badge and is a

1534
01:36:33.079 --> 01:36:36.600
member of Section thirty one, and we see her as

1535
01:36:36.600 --> 01:36:39.119
a member of Section thirty one. She shows up and

1536
01:36:39.359 --> 01:36:42.039
stops to cling on Civil War as a member of

1537
01:36:42.039 --> 01:36:47.800
Section thirty one. So she's already there. So I'm confused

1538
01:36:47.800 --> 01:36:50.039
as to win exactly. Well, of course, wait a minute,

1539
01:36:50.479 --> 01:36:53.920
we got to remember that Carl did send her back

1540
01:36:53.960 --> 01:36:57.800
to it. I don't know, Okay, I'm We're gonna have

1541
01:36:57.840 --> 01:37:00.199
to wait and see it. I am psyched for this movie.

1542
01:37:00.239 --> 01:37:03.319
I love Michelle Yo, and I'm so excited to see

1543
01:37:03.319 --> 01:37:06.119
her kick somebody in the face who's standing behind her.

1544
01:37:06.720 --> 01:37:09.800
And I just I'm looking forward to seeing this movie.

1545
01:37:09.840 --> 01:37:11.399
I'm just confused.

1546
01:37:11.760 --> 01:37:14.479
I think call center to an alternate universe.

1547
01:37:15.760 --> 01:37:21.560
I think that I think that could very well be. Yeah,

1548
01:37:21.680 --> 01:37:27.439
But anyways, that's my section thirty one story. And David, David,

1549
01:37:27.479 --> 01:37:29.399
you actually have a story for us this week.

1550
01:37:29.479 --> 01:37:37.279
Huh Yeah. So Joey Shalad Shall Dana addresses long Star

1551
01:37:37.399 --> 01:37:43.279
Trak four. Wait, we need to do this quickly, Avatar

1552
01:37:43.760 --> 01:37:48.199
and Guardians of the Galaxy Star Joey Shalad Dana, I

1553
01:37:48.239 --> 01:37:51.760
think that's how you pronounce it is. Salva has your

1554
01:37:51.840 --> 01:37:55.720
best concerns about the prolonged delay of Star Track four

1555
01:37:57.600 --> 01:38:03.880
toesting the time might be running out for the original

1556
01:38:03.920 --> 01:38:08.079
cast return to space. During an interview with Deadline promoting

1557
01:38:08.159 --> 01:38:17.800
her Golden Globe nominated performance in Elmelia pereg Solid, sal

1558
01:38:18.800 --> 01:38:23.439
Than address the status of the long awaited sequel to

1559
01:38:23.600 --> 01:38:28.720
twenty sixteen Star Track Beyond Nothing that she feels like

1560
01:38:29.199 --> 01:38:33.680
the cast herself included, could end up doing too old

1561
01:38:33.880 --> 01:38:37.520
to reprise the star Tract roles if they wait too long,

1562
01:38:37.600 --> 01:38:42.800
too much longer to make the film, unless they did

1563
01:38:42.840 --> 01:38:48.520
some sort of time traveling shenanigans. Maybe okay, So I

1564
01:38:48.560 --> 01:38:51.640
wish okay, this is her quoting I wish we were

1565
01:38:51.760 --> 01:38:56.840
able to do it sooner rather than later, she said,

1566
01:38:57.359 --> 01:38:59.840
and then she also quotes, I like a lot of us,

1567
01:39:01.199 --> 01:39:06.960
uh to have a full head of gray hair, so

1568
01:39:07.039 --> 01:39:12.600
we need to do this quickly. Yeah okay, I did

1569
01:39:12.680 --> 01:39:15.920
read it right. Okay. If this is the same cash,

1570
01:39:16.079 --> 01:39:18.560
they're going to repriete it again. So she wants a

1571
01:39:18.760 --> 01:39:20.119
full head of gray hair?

1572
01:39:21.039 --> 01:39:22.920
No, she says, I feel like a lot of us

1573
01:39:23.159 --> 01:39:25.399
have a full head of gray hair.

1574
01:39:25.520 --> 01:39:26.640
Okay, I missed that one.

1575
01:39:26.760 --> 01:39:29.000
So they already they already have a full head of

1576
01:39:29.079 --> 01:39:31.079
gray hair, and so they need to do it quickly.

1577
01:39:31.520 --> 01:39:37.319
Nice. Yeah, well I could fix that up, but anyway, uh.

1578
01:39:38.119 --> 01:39:50.640
Saland Saldana also expressed interest in further so I think

1579
01:39:50.680 --> 01:39:54.600
I get a line. No, okay, Uh expressed interest in

1580
01:39:54.640 --> 01:39:59.319
further blowing her character's relationship with Fuck so Dark Truk

1581
01:39:59.359 --> 01:40:02.960
four actually get made. It's been a minute since I

1582
01:40:03.119 --> 01:40:08.079
recommended Star Trek and all the character journey, but her

1583
01:40:08.119 --> 01:40:10.640
and Spock were always sort of drawn to each other.

1584
01:40:11.399 --> 01:40:15.800
It just makes sense to see what the next step

1585
01:40:16.119 --> 01:40:20.960
in the relationship and the work relationship as well. She said.

1586
01:40:22.439 --> 01:40:25.399
The first two j j Abrams dedicated Star Trek films

1587
01:40:25.520 --> 01:40:30.439
were massive box office success and with Star Trek in

1588
01:40:30.479 --> 01:40:39.840
the Darkness still holding the distinction distinction being the highest

1589
01:40:39.840 --> 01:40:45.800
grossing film in diffranchise history. However, Star Trek Beyond was

1590
01:40:45.840 --> 01:40:52.840
considered a financial disappointment, potentially colluding paramount to question future installments.

1591
01:40:53.119 --> 01:40:57.600
The project was faced and had faced numerous setbacks since

1592
01:40:57.920 --> 01:41:02.359
its initial announcement. The original concept would have featured Chris

1593
01:41:02.479 --> 01:41:07.359
Pine James T. Kirk meeting his father played by Chris Hendworth.

1594
01:41:07.800 --> 01:41:12.600
Multiple directors including s J. Collection, Noah Holloway, and Matt

1595
01:41:12.880 --> 01:41:19.359
Shackman have joined and subsequently departed deproject, with the latest

1596
01:41:19.439 --> 01:41:26.560
version bringing in screenwriter screenwriter Steve Jake Yay of Supernatural

1597
01:41:26.680 --> 01:41:32.800
and Doom Portal fame. In March, so, yeah, what do

1598
01:41:32.880 --> 01:41:34.960
you think guys just taking too long?

1599
01:41:37.439 --> 01:41:40.920
Yeah? I think I think the ship has sailed.

1600
01:41:41.319 --> 01:41:43.199
The windows pass give it up.

1601
01:41:43.479 --> 01:41:46.399
They Yeah, they had the chance, they didn't do it.

1602
01:41:46.399 --> 01:41:48.000
It's over. I think they have to go in a

1603
01:41:48.000 --> 01:41:51.439
different direction. Now let me preface it by saying I

1604
01:41:51.479 --> 01:41:55.800
think that cast was phenomenal. I think the casting could

1605
01:41:55.800 --> 01:41:59.199
not have been more spot on or urban. As as

1606
01:41:59.279 --> 01:42:03.479
McCoy was spectacular, Chris Pine as Kirk, they were all

1607
01:42:03.680 --> 01:42:06.880
just They were all great, and I had no trouble

1608
01:42:07.119 --> 01:42:09.680
just accepting them as they were, and I would have

1609
01:42:09.800 --> 01:42:13.880
loved to see one or two more movies featuring them

1610
01:42:14.159 --> 01:42:18.279
because they were such a great ensemble cast. You know.

1611
01:42:18.600 --> 01:42:23.159
The departure well, the loss of Anton Yelchin was terrible

1612
01:42:23.680 --> 01:42:26.560
and tragic, but I kind of hope that they would

1613
01:42:26.560 --> 01:42:29.760
slay Jailah into that role. I think a lot of

1614
01:42:29.760 --> 01:42:31.760
fans liked her character and would have liked to see

1615
01:42:31.800 --> 01:42:35.199
her carry on. But I think they waited too long,

1616
01:42:35.239 --> 01:42:38.840
and I think the interest is gone now in seeing

1617
01:42:38.840 --> 01:42:41.399
that cast return, and I think they have to go

1618
01:42:41.399 --> 01:42:44.880
in a different direction and you know, do something else.

1619
01:42:45.720 --> 01:42:48.199
It's just my opinion. And that's not because I'm a

1620
01:42:48.239 --> 01:42:51.239
hater of the Calvin universe, because I'm not, or that

1621
01:42:51.319 --> 01:42:53.920
I hate jj because I don't. I just think the

1622
01:42:54.000 --> 01:42:57.560
ship has sailed and it's been too long, and they're

1623
01:42:57.600 --> 01:43:00.359
all doing other projects now, which is going to drive

1624
01:43:00.439 --> 01:43:03.279
the costs up. And one of the things that Paramount

1625
01:43:03.359 --> 01:43:05.560
always has in the back of their minds is how

1626
01:43:05.640 --> 01:43:09.359
much money can we make? And one of the reasons

1627
01:43:09.359 --> 01:43:13.760
why Star Trek into Darkness, I mean Star Trek Beyond.

1628
01:43:13.800 --> 01:43:16.960
You know, they had to pay huge moneys for their salaries,

1629
01:43:17.000 --> 01:43:19.479
which all goes into the budget. And let's face it,

1630
01:43:19.520 --> 01:43:22.479
the movie wasn't that great, not because of the actors,

1631
01:43:22.520 --> 01:43:27.079
it just wasn't. The villain just didn't carry it. It

1632
01:43:27.199 --> 01:43:31.119
just wasn't a good movie. So yeah, I'm sad to

1633
01:43:31.159 --> 01:43:34.319
see it go, absolutely, but I think they got to

1634
01:43:34.359 --> 01:43:35.279
go in a different direction.

1635
01:43:36.119 --> 01:43:39.239
Yeah, I mean, Jim, if you look at the original movies,

1636
01:43:39.319 --> 01:43:44.119
so Star Trek the Motion Picture seventy nine, Rathacon three

1637
01:43:44.239 --> 01:43:49.159
years later, Star Trek two, two years later, Star Trek four,

1638
01:43:49.760 --> 01:43:53.920
who years later, Star Trek five, three years later, Star

1639
01:43:54.000 --> 01:43:57.840
Trek six, two years later. There has been eight and

1640
01:43:57.880 --> 01:44:01.039
a half years between the last movie and now, and

1641
01:44:01.359 --> 01:44:04.439
if they signed everybody up to do a movie, it

1642
01:44:04.439 --> 01:44:06.479
would be another year and a half from now before

1643
01:44:06.520 --> 01:44:08.880
it would come out. That would be almost ten years

1644
01:44:08.880 --> 01:44:11.760
since the last movie. That ship has sailed. Man, nobody

1645
01:44:11.760 --> 01:44:15.119
wants another Kelvin Universe movie despite all of the things

1646
01:44:15.119 --> 01:44:17.359
that you're saying, which was that the test was amazing

1647
01:44:17.880 --> 01:44:21.119
and there there was no question that their chemistry was great,

1648
01:44:21.800 --> 01:44:24.359
that the loss of Anton Yelchin didn't keep the fourth

1649
01:44:24.399 --> 01:44:27.439
movie from being made. But of course, you know that

1650
01:44:27.560 --> 01:44:29.960
does give people pause. They're just not really sure what

1651
01:44:30.000 --> 01:44:32.439
to do with that role right now. So yeah, I

1652
01:44:32.520 --> 01:44:35.520
agree with you. I think the window is passed, unfortunately,

1653
01:44:35.600 --> 01:44:37.279
which is too bad because I would have loved to

1654
01:44:37.319 --> 01:44:40.079
have seen yeah, maybe five movies that would have been cool.

1655
01:44:40.520 --> 01:44:44.920
Yeah, yeah, because to go on to purchase. You know,

1656
01:44:45.039 --> 01:44:50.479
they recast them all with younger actors and relatively unknown.

1657
01:44:50.479 --> 01:44:52.640
Of course, who knew that Chris Hemsworth was going to

1658
01:44:52.720 --> 01:44:56.039
be Chris Emsworth. But at any rate, you know, they

1659
01:44:56.039 --> 01:44:59.039
had young actors, a young cast, and I think they envisioned,

1660
01:44:59.720 --> 01:45:01.840
you know, squeezing five or six movies out of it,

1661
01:45:02.600 --> 01:45:06.520
but they didn't get beyond three. So unfortunate.

1662
01:45:06.840 --> 01:45:07.159
I think.

1663
01:45:07.199 --> 01:45:11.239
I remember skimming through Facebook and seeing and mentioned that

1664
01:45:11.319 --> 01:45:13.760
people thought the Tarantino movie was dead.

1665
01:45:18.159 --> 01:45:19.800
No, I mean that would have been That would have

1666
01:45:19.800 --> 01:45:22.960
been a great way to inject some new life into it. Man,

1667
01:45:23.119 --> 01:45:26.199
like to do an R rated Star Trek movie. I

1668
01:45:26.520 --> 01:45:29.319
remember when we talked about that, and I was all

1669
01:45:29.359 --> 01:45:31.319
about it. I was all about the option of that,

1670
01:45:31.560 --> 01:45:36.399
especially after we saw that the Uss Callister that episode

1671
01:45:36.439 --> 01:45:39.920
of Broken Mirror. Yeah, and I was like, yeah, they

1672
01:45:39.920 --> 01:45:41.920
could do rated our Star Trek that'd be awesome.

1673
01:45:42.319 --> 01:45:46.399
Pulp fiction me, baby, pulp fiction me. No. I think

1674
01:45:46.439 --> 01:45:51.319
I think that Star Trek movies are a now. Section

1675
01:45:51.399 --> 01:45:53.399
thirty one is going to be on Paramount. Plus it

1676
01:45:53.439 --> 01:45:57.880
doesn't actually count in my opinion, because it's not hitting

1677
01:45:57.920 --> 01:46:00.000
the silver screen as soon as they put a movie

1678
01:46:00.159 --> 01:46:04.319
out to the general public. It's a really slippery slope

1679
01:46:04.359 --> 01:46:07.079
to walk, guys. I mean not for us, but if

1680
01:46:07.119 --> 01:46:09.399
you were sitting home and you weren't a Star Trek fan,

1681
01:46:09.680 --> 01:46:11.880
and you're looking at all these Marvel movies and you're

1682
01:46:11.920 --> 01:46:14.279
looking at all these movies, what's going to make you

1683
01:46:14.319 --> 01:46:17.439
decide to go and see Star Trek? You know, it

1684
01:46:17.479 --> 01:46:19.840
has to compete with all these other movies. And that's

1685
01:46:19.880 --> 01:46:23.960
where it gets tricky, you know. Like I said, they wanted,

1686
01:46:24.159 --> 01:46:30.600
they wanted, they wanted Marvel Universe quality money to come

1687
01:46:30.640 --> 01:46:33.319
in on a Star Trek movie, and I just don't

1688
01:46:33.319 --> 01:46:38.159
think that's possible. I don't think that's going to happen unfortunately,

1689
01:46:39.680 --> 01:46:42.399
you know. I mean they got lucky with Into Darkness,

1690
01:46:42.439 --> 01:46:45.680
which oddly enough made more money than anything, but fans

1691
01:46:45.720 --> 01:46:49.680
hated on it, but the general public liked it. So

1692
01:46:51.079 --> 01:46:54.640
what do you do? What do you do. I think

1693
01:46:54.680 --> 01:46:59.319
their idea of doing movies on Paramount Plus might be

1694
01:46:59.359 --> 01:47:02.399
the future Star Trek because it gives them the ability

1695
01:47:02.439 --> 01:47:05.000
to do I'm just throwing He's out there a Captain

1696
01:47:05.079 --> 01:47:09.199
Sulu thing or or a Captain Wharf thing that they

1697
01:47:09.279 --> 01:47:11.239
know they have a built in audience for and that

1698
01:47:11.279 --> 01:47:14.079
they're not going to be competing with Captain America, the

1699
01:47:14.159 --> 01:47:17.279
Red Hull, Wicked too, you know, all that kind of stuff.

1700
01:47:19.279 --> 01:47:27.119
Just my opinion, and I don't work for Paramount, so Eric,

1701
01:47:27.199 --> 01:47:29.560
you get the next story. Guy, I put this in

1702
01:47:29.960 --> 01:47:31.760
just for you particularly well.

1703
01:47:31.800 --> 01:47:36.640
I appreciate that. Otherwise, why bother Star Trek's Kate mulgrew

1704
01:47:36.760 --> 01:47:42.319
reveals conditions for live action Jane Way return. Since her

1705
01:47:42.359 --> 01:47:45.880
first appearance in Star Trek Voyager, which ran for seven seasons,

1706
01:47:46.000 --> 01:47:49.159
mulgrew has appeared in the video game Star Trek Voyager,

1707
01:47:49.239 --> 01:47:52.920
Elite Force, the two thousand and two film Star Trek Nemesis,

1708
01:47:52.960 --> 01:47:56.399
which features a young Tom Hardy as the antagonist, the

1709
01:47:56.479 --> 01:47:59.840
video game Star Trek Legacy, and most recently, has appeared

1710
01:47:59.880 --> 01:48:03.399
in forty episodes of Star Trek Prodigy, as well as

1711
01:48:03.399 --> 01:48:07.680
its video games spin off, Star Trek Prodigy Supernova The

1712
01:48:07.720 --> 01:48:10.039
actress was asked about her thoughts on the possibility of

1713
01:48:10.119 --> 01:48:13.640
coming back as Jane Way in live action. Quote. I

1714
01:48:13.800 --> 01:48:15.840
just had dinner with Alex Kurtzman the other night and

1715
01:48:15.880 --> 01:48:19.239
we talked about this, mulgrew explained. It would have been

1716
01:48:19.880 --> 01:48:22.279
It would have to be impeccable, It would have to

1717
01:48:22.279 --> 01:48:26.439
be without Hubris, it would have to be authentic, and

1718
01:48:26.560 --> 01:48:29.279
would have to be so bloody good that I would

1719
01:48:29.319 --> 01:48:32.840
in no way question any element of it. I mean

1720
01:48:33.199 --> 01:48:35.720
to come back after twenty five years into a character

1721
01:48:35.760 --> 01:48:39.439
that was once, that was once? You know that I'm

1722
01:48:40.560 --> 01:48:45.680
not only revered by me, but loved by me. I

1723
01:48:45.720 --> 01:48:48.239
have to take care of my character. So I've just

1724
01:48:48.319 --> 01:48:51.119
said to Alex, you know I love her. She will

1725
01:48:51.359 --> 01:48:55.399
never be misused, but she will be exalted. And the

1726
01:48:55.439 --> 01:48:59.039
writer has to be somewhere from the heavens. So we'll

1727
01:48:59.119 --> 01:49:02.279
keep this conversation life. But so far, it's a conversation.

1728
01:49:03.359 --> 01:49:05.199
When asked of her love for the character, meant she'd

1729
01:49:05.279 --> 01:49:08.520
only come back if Janeway was the lead, Mulgrew laughed,

1730
01:49:09.199 --> 01:49:10.840
are you kidding? What do you mean?

1731
01:49:10.960 --> 01:49:11.479
She asked?

1732
01:49:11.760 --> 01:49:15.840
She would have to be central to whatever she's doing. Yes, absolutely, Otherwise,

1733
01:49:16.119 --> 01:49:19.600
why bother. She was Central for seven years, why should

1734
01:49:19.600 --> 01:49:24.560
it change? Right, completely agree with her. And this is

1735
01:49:24.560 --> 01:49:25.920
what I love about Kate mulgrew.

1736
01:49:26.000 --> 01:49:26.159
Man.

1737
01:49:26.279 --> 01:49:33.199
She has the utmost respect for high quality things. Right,

1738
01:49:33.520 --> 01:49:36.560
She's not willing to do anything unless it's of the

1739
01:49:36.680 --> 01:49:42.560
utmost qualities. She says, you know, impeccable without hubris. She'ses

1740
01:49:42.680 --> 01:49:45.399
all of these great phrases that just really take it

1741
01:49:45.439 --> 01:49:50.399
from average to exceptional. And I completely agree with her.

1742
01:49:51.760 --> 01:49:54.319
I wouldn't want to see Janeway any other way because

1743
01:49:54.319 --> 01:49:56.800
she's the type of character that demands that, and Kate

1744
01:49:56.840 --> 01:50:00.319
mulgrew is the type of actress that demands that. So

1745
01:50:01.600 --> 01:50:04.800
pretty interesting. I don't know that we're ever going to

1746
01:50:04.800 --> 01:50:08.039
get to see her live action, but man, would that

1747
01:50:08.159 --> 01:50:11.039
be super cool. And obviously she would have to be

1748
01:50:11.079 --> 01:50:13.760
in a senior role. You know, we've already seen Admiral Janeway,

1749
01:50:14.479 --> 01:50:18.840
so it would probably be Admiral Janeway. But I could

1750
01:50:18.920 --> 01:50:22.520
see it maybe happening if they sort of took the

1751
01:50:22.560 --> 01:50:25.399
same bent as what they took with Star Trek Card. Right,

1752
01:50:25.479 --> 01:50:27.359
we never thought that we would see a Card again,

1753
01:50:28.000 --> 01:50:30.760
and here we get to see him as a ninety

1754
01:50:30.840 --> 01:50:33.800
year old guy doing his thing. And still living his

1755
01:50:33.840 --> 01:50:36.600
best life. So I think if they did something like that,

1756
01:50:37.119 --> 01:50:40.279
they could get away with it. Otherwise, I'm happy with

1757
01:50:40.319 --> 01:50:42.960
the Janeway that we've seen an At Yeah.

1758
01:50:43.000 --> 01:50:47.039
I think she was great on Prodigy, absolutely, Yeah.

1759
01:50:47.079 --> 01:50:48.840
And the thing about Prodigy was that she got to

1760
01:50:48.840 --> 01:50:52.119
play a younger version of herself because of the hologram thing, Right,

1761
01:50:52.640 --> 01:50:54.479
So if you're going to take that and turn it

1762
01:50:54.520 --> 01:50:58.520
into live action and actually use the actress, you have

1763
01:50:58.640 --> 01:51:01.359
to deal with the fact that that she's aged. You

1764
01:51:01.399 --> 01:51:06.279
can't just do a you know, a de aging wife

1765
01:51:06.399 --> 01:51:08.640
with the AI or something on her and make it

1766
01:51:08.680 --> 01:51:10.479
a different kind of story. You would actually have to

1767
01:51:10.520 --> 01:51:13.960
address the fact that the actress is more aged and

1768
01:51:14.039 --> 01:51:16.439
that that has to play into the actual plot of

1769
01:51:16.439 --> 01:51:18.640
the story. And I just don't see that happening.

1770
01:51:21.399 --> 01:51:27.079
Got Anakin, I got Leah. They're just driving me crazy. Yeah,

1771
01:51:27.239 --> 01:51:31.119
you know, I just something I wanted to mention fans.

1772
01:51:31.239 --> 01:51:35.920
I don't know why, fans. What the why is it

1773
01:51:35.960 --> 01:51:39.239
that we always have to revisit things we've already visited.

1774
01:51:40.000 --> 01:51:43.439
Why do we have to have, you know, Picard series,

1775
01:51:43.479 --> 01:51:45.479
Why do we need a Janeway series? Why do we

1776
01:51:45.600 --> 01:51:49.159
have to keep going backwards? Why do we have a

1777
01:51:49.279 --> 01:51:53.399
Pike series. Well that's not a great example, But why

1778
01:51:53.439 --> 01:51:55.560
do we always have to go back to what we

1779
01:51:55.720 --> 01:51:59.119
already have rather than going forward to something that we

1780
01:51:59.319 --> 01:52:04.640
haven't seen like we did with Discovery? Why is that legacy?

1781
01:52:06.439 --> 01:52:11.880
Well again legacy, Yeah, but that's just a rehashing of

1782
01:52:11.960 --> 01:52:16.119
characters we've seen already. I mean, why can't we get

1783
01:52:16.159 --> 01:52:19.479
something new? Why do fans always want to fall back

1784
01:52:19.560 --> 01:52:21.760
on something familiar?

1785
01:52:22.520 --> 01:52:25.800
Because I like that comfort food. They don't want to

1786
01:52:25.840 --> 01:52:28.720
try that new item on the menu. They want to

1787
01:52:28.760 --> 01:52:30.920
have that old stand and by that they've had every

1788
01:52:30.960 --> 01:52:32.439
time they've come to that restaurant.

1789
01:52:34.600 --> 01:52:37.000
Yeah, I mean, I mean, Jim, I almost wonder if

1790
01:52:37.119 --> 01:52:39.880
part of it is the you know, the the Star

1791
01:52:39.960 --> 01:52:42.640
Trek franchise has had a history of these kind of

1792
01:52:42.640 --> 01:52:44.880
big gaps, Right, we had the original series and then

1793
01:52:44.920 --> 01:52:47.479
there's a big gap, and then I mean we had

1794
01:52:47.479 --> 01:52:50.960
the movies and stuff, but even then there was there

1795
01:52:51.000 --> 01:52:53.880
was a gap. And then Next Generation and remember the

1796
01:52:54.000 --> 01:52:56.640
very beginning of Next Generation. What did we get in

1797
01:52:56.720 --> 01:53:04.159
season one? We essentially got POS style stories, POS style sets.

1798
01:53:05.079 --> 01:53:08.720
Season one of Next Generation wasn't that different from the

1799
01:53:08.760 --> 01:53:11.840
original series, and it wasn't until the show kind of

1800
01:53:11.880 --> 01:53:16.520
found its own footing and evolved that it got, you know, interesting.

1801
01:53:17.279 --> 01:53:20.479
Then we head into Deep Space nine where they say, okay,

1802
01:53:20.520 --> 01:53:21.720
what if we take it and we put it on

1803
01:53:21.760 --> 01:53:24.439
a station, we can tell all sorts of different types

1804
01:53:24.479 --> 01:53:26.800
of stories. And so that was a different thing. That

1805
01:53:26.960 --> 01:53:29.960
was something fresh and new. So they did actually like

1806
01:53:30.039 --> 01:53:33.239
something fresh and new. I would argue that Star Trek Voyager,

1807
01:53:33.800 --> 01:53:35.279
as good as it was and as much as I

1808
01:53:35.319 --> 01:53:37.960
love it, was essentially the same as Next Generation in

1809
01:53:38.000 --> 01:53:40.560
a lot of ways, right, different aliens, different stuff, but

1810
01:53:40.600 --> 01:53:44.000
like the questions are the same, the characters are different.

1811
01:53:44.039 --> 01:53:46.600
You got different types of characters. You could tell slightly

1812
01:53:46.640 --> 01:53:49.439
different stories when you're seventy thousand light years from home

1813
01:53:49.840 --> 01:53:52.399
and that kind of thing. The thing that really gets

1814
01:53:52.439 --> 01:53:54.880
me is why did people hate Discovery so much? And

1815
01:53:55.119 --> 01:53:57.279
We've talked about this a million million times, and I

1816
01:53:57.279 --> 01:53:59.640
don't think that we need to totally rehash it here,

1817
01:53:59.680 --> 01:54:02.199
but kind of agree with Charles that we're in an

1818
01:54:02.239 --> 01:54:09.560
era where societally things are constantly changing and people are

1819
01:54:09.640 --> 01:54:12.560
just kind of freaked out by the fact that everything

1820
01:54:12.640 --> 01:54:15.920
is changing and they can't even follow along with what's happening.

1821
01:54:15.960 --> 01:54:17.920
So what do they want when they watch their television?

1822
01:54:18.560 --> 01:54:22.399
They want comfort food. They want reality television that is

1823
01:54:22.960 --> 01:54:26.399
basically a reflection of their own daily lives. You look

1824
01:54:26.439 --> 01:54:28.720
at most of the shows that are coming out now,

1825
01:54:29.079 --> 01:54:31.960
and they are usually some version of something that's already

1826
01:54:31.960 --> 01:54:34.439
been out, or combining a couple of other things that

1827
01:54:34.479 --> 01:54:36.840
have been out in the past into a new package.

1828
01:54:37.479 --> 01:54:41.239
The most interesting shows these days push that or they

1829
01:54:41.279 --> 01:54:44.520
pushed the character interactions and they don't worry so much

1830
01:54:44.520 --> 01:54:47.159
about whether the plot's been told or not. They make

1831
01:54:47.199 --> 01:54:48.880
you fall in love with the characters and they show

1832
01:54:48.880 --> 01:54:51.640
you what can happen that's really cool with the characters.

1833
01:54:52.199 --> 01:54:55.920
I just wish that people were able to see past,

1834
01:54:56.119 --> 01:55:00.720
you know, different looking Klingons, past Michael Burnham crying an episode,

1835
01:55:00.840 --> 01:55:03.079
past all of these things that they say that they

1836
01:55:03.159 --> 01:55:06.319
hit about Discovery, because, as I'll say the same thing

1837
01:55:06.319 --> 01:55:08.199
that I said years ago when it first came out,

1838
01:55:08.279 --> 01:55:10.800
I believe that in ten or twenty years, people are

1839
01:55:10.840 --> 01:55:12.720
going to look back at Discovery and they're going to

1840
01:55:12.760 --> 01:55:16.239
be like, you know what, that was actually pretty cool.

1841
01:55:16.640 --> 01:55:20.159
They actually were doing something different, and we got twelve

1842
01:55:20.279 --> 01:55:25.720
million dollars per episode. Style special effects and soundtracks and

1843
01:55:25.720 --> 01:55:28.279
that kind of stuff. What's not to like about that.

1844
01:55:28.640 --> 01:55:30.880
It's just that people weren't quite ready for it when

1845
01:55:30.880 --> 01:55:31.520
it came out.

1846
01:55:32.079 --> 01:55:34.800
Well, we were taught last week when you guys weren't

1847
01:55:34.840 --> 01:55:39.279
with us, we talked a little bit about something, maybe

1848
01:55:39.319 --> 01:55:43.880
the USS Stargazer, you know that way. We have a Picard,

1849
01:55:44.279 --> 01:55:46.720
but we have twenty five years of Picard's life that

1850
01:55:46.760 --> 01:55:50.880
we know nothing about. We don't know anything about the Stargazer.

1851
01:55:50.920 --> 01:55:55.119
We know that Beverly Crusher met Jack Crusher, we know that,

1852
01:55:56.319 --> 01:55:57.640
but we don't know a lot about it. We know

1853
01:55:57.680 --> 01:56:04.159
about the Battle of Maxia with the Yeah, we don't

1854
01:56:04.159 --> 01:56:07.279
know anything about it. So if people want something that's familiar,

1855
01:56:07.640 --> 01:56:11.520
if the studios want to go in familiar territory, why

1856
01:56:11.560 --> 01:56:15.439
not recast Patrick Stewart is a much younger character when

1857
01:56:15.439 --> 01:56:18.359
he first became a captain, and then say, Okay, you

1858
01:56:18.399 --> 01:56:22.680
guys want something you're familiar with. Here's Picard, here's the Stargazer.

1859
01:56:23.319 --> 01:56:25.399
But guess what, we don't know any of the other crew.

1860
01:56:25.439 --> 01:56:27.520
We don't know the stories, we don't know the aliens.

1861
01:56:28.279 --> 01:56:33.039
But it's familiar enough to attract people that want familiarity.

1862
01:56:32.800 --> 01:56:35.720
And that's exactly what they're doing with section thirty one,

1863
01:56:35.840 --> 01:56:37.920
taking back to the twenty third century. They're showing us

1864
01:56:38.000 --> 01:56:40.640
Rachel Garrett. They're showing us characters from Discovery that people

1865
01:56:40.880 --> 01:56:43.159
like because they kick people in the face behind them.

1866
01:56:43.279 --> 01:56:43.479
You know.

1867
01:56:44.000 --> 01:56:49.479
It's like, well, however, however, now, I mean, well, what

1868
01:56:49.520 --> 01:56:52.359
we just heard from what Jim read was apparently going

1869
01:56:52.399 --> 01:56:54.600
to be a time traveling thing, so it could be

1870
01:56:54.680 --> 01:56:55.479
all over the place.

1871
01:56:56.479 --> 01:57:00.199
Well, Carl is involved, and Carl can do any thing.

1872
01:57:01.399 --> 01:57:03.479
That's the guard point is that they're still going to

1873
01:57:03.520 --> 01:57:06.279
be showing some stuff with which we're already familiar about,

1874
01:57:06.279 --> 01:57:08.319
filling in the gaps. That's the point of what I said.

1875
01:57:08.199 --> 01:57:11.119
Strange World. That's what Strange the World is.

1876
01:57:11.159 --> 01:57:15.199
We knew about Pike, we knew about Spots, we knew

1877
01:57:15.199 --> 01:57:19.960
about Una. Let's rehash and kind of merge from t

1878
01:57:20.199 --> 01:57:25.319
MG from Stranger World to t O S. There's enough

1879
01:57:25.359 --> 01:57:29.680
similarities that people recognize it. They can they're able to

1880
01:57:29.680 --> 01:57:32.840
deal with it, they can find comfort in it.

1881
01:57:36.399 --> 01:57:37.560
Well, let's see what happens.

1882
01:57:37.640 --> 01:57:38.640
Comfort food.

1883
01:57:40.800 --> 01:57:42.760
You're not eating moldy cheese again, are you.

1884
01:57:43.239 --> 01:57:44.840
I hope it's not moldy.

1885
01:57:45.840 --> 01:57:49.640
It's not Moldy too, So we have we have Starfleet

1886
01:57:49.680 --> 01:57:54.039
Academy on the not too distant future, well year a

1887
01:57:54.119 --> 01:57:58.000
year and a half away. We have an unnamed comedy

1888
01:57:58.079 --> 01:58:04.600
which uh Beckett Mariner is working on Tawny Newsome. We

1889
01:58:04.640 --> 01:58:09.560
have Strange New Worlds, two more seasons as section thirty

1890
01:58:09.560 --> 01:58:12.640
one movie which is coming out shortly. And that's all

1891
01:58:12.680 --> 01:58:14.600
we have on the docket for his new Star Trek

1892
01:58:16.000 --> 01:58:20.439
and possibly a movie maybe if we're lucky at some point.

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And that's it for Star Trek. Yeah, have we do

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have an awesome podcast, Trek Talking, which you guys can

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tune into and h and listen to. So, well, you

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know what time it is, guys?

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Is it time for the outro?

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Yes, it's it is, It's that time. It's there we go.

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We went through a hole? Can you believe it? Wow? Yeah,

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Well we did miss Paul, but he should be back

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with us next week, so they we have that. So

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I just want to let you guys know we're going

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to be doing Star Trek Lower Decks finale next week.

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Than the new Next Generation. It's going to be a

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time travel thing. We got a lot to talk about.

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You don't want to miss that one because it involves Klingons. Discovery.

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Klingons one of my favorite topics, So you definitely want

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to tune in next week. And if you're a fan

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of Voyager, you don't want to miss the sixteenth because

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we're gonna have mister Tim Russ here Tuvac himself, and

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you can be pretty sure that we're going to talk

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about two vix. I'm sure somebody is gonna ask about

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two vix anyways, maybe we'll see. So we're gonna have

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a lot of fun with Tim Russ. So please head

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over to Chuck talkin dot com and record your question.

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We will play it on the show and get an

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answer from him. So check that out and go in and

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check out our Patreon page for only two dollars. There's

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all kinds of great stuff there that you guys can

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get in on, and we're always adding more and more

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and more stuff, so please do that if you can.

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And Tim be on video with us right on Patreon.

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That's right, you can join us. It can be one

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of our our video people here, so that's gonna be

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a lot of fun. I want to take this opportunity

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to say thank you so much to Eric for hanging

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out and Trek talking with us.

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Thank you Eric, absolutely, guys, thank you so much.

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And I want to say thank you to David for

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the awesome slide show and you did a great job.

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You're definitely a miracle worker. Thank you so much, David.

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Comic been really fun.

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And thank you so much to Charles as well for

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hanging out in Trek Talking always.

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Thank you, Charles, always fun.

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Been missing Talking Trek for a little while, so it's

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been great to do in it.

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It has been it seems like it's been forever, but

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it's only been a week. And I want to take

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this opportunity to make a very special, special happy birthday

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to my awesome wife Karen, who just turned fifty eight

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on December nineteenth, and my incredibly awesome daughter Jamie Lynn,

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who just turned thirty yesterday. So I've had a pretty

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busy week, so happy birthday to the ladies in my life,

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and of course my dog Leah who just ran away here,

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who will actually be a year old next month. So

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a lot of birthdays going on in my household. My

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ladies are aging, but I am not, so that's pretty cool.

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I'm your most excellent host, Uncle Jim saying everybody Please

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stay safe and be good to each other. And remember

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Star Trek fans are the best fans. Thank you for

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being a fan. Hailing frequencies are closed. Good night. Everybody,

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live long and prospers.

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Can I else