Episode 616- Star Trek: Lower Decks "Fissure Quest" review

0:00 Ki's and trekkers around the globe. Welcome to Trek Talk and this is episode six hundred and sixteen. I'm your most excellent host, Uncle Jim. We've got a great show planned for you guys tonight, so stick around. Let's cue the intro and we'll dive right in there. We go, well, good evening, Trekies and trekkers around the globe. This is live and that's why we have these little debacles like that.

1:20 I tested the theme song before the show and it worked fine. And when it came time to go, why it did it? It's those gremlins. What can I tell you? As I said, I'm your most excellent host, Uncle Jim, Welcome to Trek Talking. I want to introduce you guys to my awesome truk sports. We'll start off with Eric. Eric's out in Portland. Ay, you doing tonight? Eric doing pretty good? Man back in the saddle, had a couple of weeks vacation, got to spend it with family over the new Year, and you know, just had to adjust those unobserved glue on cores to make sure I got back in one piece. And here I am ready for some trek talking. Absolutely, and we also have David, my my miracle worker, my mister Scottie, and he's also out in Portland. I think it's the water. How you doing, David?

2:08 I forgot to bring my water. That's okay. You got the warp cor though, right, yeah, okay. And also we have with us and Paul's not with us, my other Portland contingent. He'll be with us again next week hopefully, but we have out in Las Vegas. We have our very own Charles. How you doing tonight, Charles a Ema. So it's flickering a little bit, but hanging in there. I know, Charles, you'll haven't seen it a tiny bit, just a little bit.

2:49 That's okay. Maybe we can edit that out later. I don't know. We'll get Scotty to work his magic. So, uh, Tonight, we're going to be talking about Star Trek Lower decks vis request. Next week we're going to be doing the new next generation that'll wrap up Star Trek Lower Decks, and then we're going to be talking to Tim Rust mister Tubac himself. If you have any questions for Tim, please head over to our Trek Talking page at trek Talking dot com. Click on a little blue talkback Mike, which you'll see in the bottom right hand corner. Leave your message for mister Russ and we will play it live on the show and have him answer it. So please please do that. If not only that, you can visit Trek Talking dot com is all kinds of great stuff there you can help support the podcast. We have a new Patreon page thanks to Charles Trek Talking Podcast, lots of posts, including extras for our members, and our membership fees start at only two dollars a month. Come on, guys, two dollars a month. I will say one thing. We are now doing video as well as audio. The only place you're going to be able to see our beautiful faces are goal origous faces our for radio faces only is over on our Patreon page. We will be posting the videos there. You can listen to the audio pretty much everywhere, and I do post little little minute clips from the show that you can see, but if you want to see the whole show, you have to have it over a patre our Patreon on page. Trying to

4:22 say that three times fast. Head over to our Patreon page, become a member, and then you can watch a complete show, video and all. And we're gonna have some other special shows showing up over there for members only, so if you want to see the full show, you'll have to head over to Patreon and become a member. Our Facebook page is still in AI limbo, believe it or not. Lynn from Facebook called me on Christmas morning, that's right, Christmas morning and told me that they're still trying to work on why the AI doesn't like us, because they don't want too. What she explained to me is the they don't want to put the page, turn the page back on, just have the AI take it back down.

5:11 So they're trying to figure out what it is that the AI doesn't like and fix it so that when they put the page live again, it's not going to immediately be taken down. And I can get that, but come on, people, it's been two months Facebook, You get your heads out of your asses and fix the damn thing already. Come on. So that's why our Facebook page is still down. It's that damn AI that they've hired. It's just doesn't know what it's doing. So anyways, as I already said, we're gonna have Tim Russ on January sixteenth, So if you're a fan of Tim you definitely want to head over to Tuck Talking dot com and lead a question for him. We do ask on our Facebook page.

5:53 I'll post our fan shout outs and ask you guys where you're listening from. I also do our polls there. Since Facebook AI is being dinky, I've had to be creative so you can find poll questions and all the things that used to find in one place, which was on our Facebook page all over the place, like on Instagram, like on Tumblr, like on Blue Sky, and it's everywhere. Those links to those links where you can find us, you can find on my personal Facebook page because I'm using that as a pseudo tek Talking page for the time being until the AI gets us fixed up. So you can still participate in our polls and tell us where you're listening from, just like you always did. You just got to dig a little deeper and look a little harder. It's not all in one place conveniently at your fingertips, because this new Facebook AI really sucks. So, without any further adoude, Eric, would you like to get us started with this week's fan shout outs?

7:00 Sure would, and thank you fans for sticking with us as we go through Facebook limbo with an AI that hates us. I feel like we're all going to get there. Someday, eventually AI will hate us all, but today is not that day. So our very first fan shout out this week goes out to Klaus steel Planner, who's saying hello to us from deutsch Lan, Germany and sending us to that live long and prosper and a nice little antsy emoji there, which I'm absolutely positive is what grabbed Jim's attention. Thank you, Klaus for supporting our podcast, and good nabin to you. Luis Hario. We are saying hello to you, and he is saying hello to us from the Milky Way in the Irian arm saw third planet from the Sun.

7:43 Also London, England, one of my favorite cities on the planet, also sending us a live long and prosper hand and a little planetiery symbol there. Luis Hario, thank you so much for saying hello to us. We really do appreciate the support from all of our listeners just across the Also saying hello this week to Michelle Rousseau, who sang hello to us from Angry Italy. Italy is also a fantastic place to be on this Planet and Michelle, I'm sure you know that I don't need to tell you what you already know, but thank you so much for sporting our podcast and livelong and prosper to you. And last on my list is Alfonso Antonio realist Bilbao who sang hello to us from La Pause, Olivia. And Alfonso, guess what, buddy, you are the first Trek Talking fan to say hello to us from Bolivia. So thank you so much for adding one more country to our list.

8:36 Pretty exciting, Charles E. Japan Boy. Eric, let's start off with a more greeting to James Webb from Indiana. Welcome James, top fan and I don't think this is their real name. Doc from podcast Hughes of Science Fiction and Fantasy from Northern California. Welcome top fan Merroll Jakins from Cedar City, Montana. Welcome Meryll. And last on my list, welcome Greg Carroll from Oklahoma. We hope Greg is okay. David, who's on your list?

9:17 Yeah, I would like to say thank you and welcome to a top fan James Robinson from Lindo, Texas. I hope you're actually having a fun time out there. And next time my list is David Boucher from Minnesota, my hometown, and next time my list is from Washington State, Roxanne Waters, and I have another top fan, Jeffrey Wilson from Wooster, Ohio. Thank you all for participating, and yeah, I guess I'll pass it on to Paul, but Paul's not here. Have we decided who's gonna do it?

10:07 I think that's me. I think it's going to fall to Eric. That's right, Eric, and I'm definitely no Paul. Well, hello as well this week to top fan Samantha Rowana, who's saying hello to us from Basingstoke, Hampshire in England. Another one of those supporters just across the pond proudly flying that Union Jack flag. Thanks Samantha for listening to our podcast. Top fan Rajit Sengal is saying hello to us from New Delhi in India. What I learned from trivia this past weekend playing games with family is that you live in the second most populous city on the planet. So that's pretty exciting. Rajit, Thank you so much for flying our flag over there. Top fan Andre Gore is saying hello to us from Capella on de Soul in Holland.

10:53 Which of course is otherwise known as the Netherlands. Thanks Andre for saying hello from the Netherlands and laughed. But not least on Paul list is Rebecca Gonzales Tires say hello to us from Madrid, stain a most beautiful city. Peace and long life to you, Rebecca. Jim a translator over here. For sure. Who you got Jim so on my list? I want to I have a top fan, Joe Anthony, who's listening to us in the Big Apple, New York, New York. Thank you for listening, Joe Anthony, top fan. I also have another top fan, Doug Graham, who's listening to us in Lewistown in Indiana, Idaho.

11:40 The other I state, I. Need some new glasses. Actually, what I gotta do is make this a little bit bigger. There we go. And we also want to say thank you to Roger Hernandez who was listening to us in Mexico City, Mexico, flying the Mexican flag proudly. And last but not least, Cat Gardner who's listening to what wasn't Springfield, Missouri. So thank you so much, guys. We could never do the show without you, guys. And now it's time for our Star Trek polls, which means there we go. I don't know.

12:47 I would have been breaking into the klingon the kling On blood wine myself. It was harder to rhyme. That's the only reason it didn't make it in. Yeah, I would have gone with the kling on blood blood Wine. No, I don't know. I guess I could have done it. No, it works. I like it at any rate. Guys, as I said, you have to look a little bit harder and dig a little bit deeper, but you will find the poll questions floating around out there. So yeah, it was a lot easier when it was all in one place. But it's not so Eric. You want to get us started with our pole questions for this Yeah. We got a couple of good poll questions this week that aren't just landslides, So I'm excited about that. In the enterprise episode, Cojenitor, Trip finds discrimination against a third gender who commits suicide, his Trip responsible for their suicide, and twenty three percent of our listeners said that Trip was responsible for the suicide in Cogenitor, and seventy seven percent said he was not responsible. Jim, what was the genesis of this. Oh, I'm very excited to hear that.

14:02 Well, basically, if you don't remember the episode, there was a race that had took three people, and the third person was treated as less than human and they weren't even allowed to go to school. They were like a. Like I don't know, just for the reproduction process. Essentially, they were worthless. They didn't get they didn't get a name, they weren't educated, they were treated like they were less than human. And when this and I don't remember what the name of the race was, I should have put that in the poll. When this particular race came aboard the Enterprise and trip met this person and opened up her eyes their eyes to the world and started educating them. And she's and he they, I'm still not used to that.

14:51 I'm you got a singular they you could do it. I'm getting there, okay. When when they saw what the world had to offer and what they and the rest of their people were being denied, the Visians there you go, the Visians, Uh, they committed suicide rather than go back to the situation that they came from. And so I I have a friend actually who was talking about this, and it interested me, and I thought well, let's throw a pull question out there and see what the fans think. So that's that's where that came from. Yeah, I mean, I think it's a really interesting question because the so the Vissian who Trip, you know, essentially started to educated you know, So with your head in the sand, your knowledge is low, but your safety is high, right, And as soon as you pull your head out of the sand, your safety goes down, but your knowledge and enlightenment goes up. So could Trip have ever known that that would drive this person to not want to go back to their situation. No, of course not. In fact, just like most of the humans on Enterprise, he feels like he's doing the right thing. But I also think that Trip and Archer and all those people, when they start their journey, they are absolutely looking at the universe from a human perspective, and it takes all five seasons for them to kind of realize that that's a one

16:25 dimensional way of looking at the universe. And so is Trip partially responsible for their suicide? I think probably yes. Did he still do the right thing by educating them? Probably yes, that's my opinion. Well, I think Enterprise is overlooked a lot because Enterprise didn't have the prime directors, so there was a lot of times when and it always seemed to be Trip that was getting involved in. These freaking cowboy you know. He you know they did. It wouldn't have seen on other Star Trek shows simply for that reason. And so yeah, I thought this was a great question. I thought it was a great episode. And I agree with you, Eric.

17:10 I think that Trip did what anybody would have done in that situation. And I think that Tripp felt that he was bettering their situation by enlightening them and educating them into what the world has to offer, kind of like like they did with Hugh the Borg in the Iborg episode of TNG, hoping that they would go back to their people, and that just sounds so weird to me saying it that way. But when they go back to their people, that they would be enlightened as well, and that they would all learn from them. And you know and social revolution.

17:52 Yes, become the the individuals that they should be. And I don't think that Trip could have ever anticipated the effect that that would have, and that they would would choose death rather than going back to subservience. So I think that he thought he was doing the right thing. Yeah, that's and that's one of the things I love about Enterprise, as you guys know, is that the crew starts out season one making all kinds of mistakes. Right, They are constantly making mistakes, sticking their fingers and pies where they don't belong, and they learn and they change and they grow, and that really is the essence of Star Trek. You can make mistakes, and you can better yourself, and you can start to look at the world from other people's perspective.

18:37 And I did think that the Visians themselves were dicks. I mean, the way they treated them was just like. But Jim, that's from your human perspective too, right, that's not from their cultural perspective. So I tell they treated them like worse than I would treat my dog, the Athlea. I love you, and I would never do that to you. But I mean, you know, they were just they were just cruel. They were heartless, they were demeaning. They just didn't even look at this individual, this person as anything at all, like just a piece of worthless garbage. And you know, they were kind of Ding's kind of like those drug dealers and that other TNG episode that we talked about there Who's I can't remember right now, but at any rate, I think I don't think the trip could have known what the outcome was, So I really I don't think that he was directly responsible for her him their suicide.

19:38 Job. You made it, you made good job, Get it right. I'll get it right. You know what it is? You know, my wife and I were talking about this over the vacation, and you know, it's not that it's not that you don't want to honor people's wishes. It's just that I was not taught that way. Yeah, It's like it's like it's like stopping in a green light and going on a red light. You know. It rained with they and them to be like you and I like more than one person. And when an individual wants to be referred to that way, my brain is saying stop, no, wait, that's not right. That's not the word to use. And my brain falls back to what I've been taught and it's hard to change that. And I don't do it out of disrespect.

20:26 I just do it because I was That's how I was taught. So I'm trying. I'm really, So, what do you think David did? Did trip did trip kill this poor person or what? What do you think? I think it's a little bit of both. I kind of agree with both of you. I agree with Eric Fresher when it comes to like the cultural aspect of the race, because that's how they gain babies, right, I mean, that's how they populate their culture. Show. Yes, in a sense, she was just because of the fact that he tried to make it uh interfered in the ways inno sense.

21:10 But at the same time, no, because I agree with you. At the same time, Jim, that's saying that he had no outcome or he didn't have any knowledge of the outcome. So to me, I I'm definitely probably more or less saying that he. Was. Yes, he was responsible because she interfered, but at the same time, no, he wasn't because of the fact that he just you know, they're learning, they're they're in the process of like how did Archer put it at a gazelle getting up? You know, he's gonna stumble and they're gonna have to learn from time to time and he's not going to be running it once she born kind of thing. So yeah, to me, I think it was a little bit of both. But leaning more towards Yes, it's because she interfered with an alien species. Who Yeah, they may look human, but I mean that's what's an attractual about. But I mean, you know, just the idea that the cultural aspect of that alien society, you don't mess with it no matter what, no matter how you feel for the other people or whatever. But to me, it's just like, eh, yeah, I think he was probably mostly responsible for it. But at the same time, no.

22:24 I mean that's right. Well, a friend of mine says, like, okay, so prime directive is great, not messing with other cultures great, and slavery is always wrong. So it's like both right, But to. Other culture, slavery probably how they survived. So I don't know. I mean our culture, that's how we survived for a while, right, Yeah, I. Mean to technically was it slavery though, I mean, considering that they weren't very put into bootle practices, I guess you could say, I mean, they weren't being harmed, that we know, I disagree, but. They were wearing rags, they were treated like I.

23:04 Know, so we would feel probably for them because of a human emotion, But to them, they didn't evolve that way. So, oh see, this is what's great about Star Trek. You know about the podcast No Right answers the moral and ethical thing like what is right and what is wrong? And you know what that means that Charles gets to bring up the caboose on this particular ethical question. So what do you think, Charles? I don't remember the episode, but I think I'm right there with you guys. It's kind of a mix in there. Kind of reminds me of the Next Generation where they had a society that was a sexual yet some of the members preference towards male or female, and I think that was rather interesting with that. Do wonder I was thinking about when Eric mentioned it, I already was thinking, I wonder if they were kind of looking a little bit world history and slavery and kind of doing a little bit of commentary political commentary to that, because that does sound a little bit where this came from. But definitely because remember in the T and G episode, if they start getting these emotions of having feelings of being

24:35 male or female, the best. Way they do them is. Something probably similar to lebotomy, of making them forget and losing their memory and being forced to conform to society. As is just this group, and. I wonder if they if they would join the Federation and the Federation would. Make change or keep the quid pro quo going. Yeah, that's a great question, Charles. I've always wondered that about federation societies. What level of conformancy is required to join the federation?

25:23 Right? I don't remember. Did the Visians have warped capability when the Enterprise ran into them? I don't. I don't remember how they met. Yeah, they had ships. Gosh, how did they meet? I feel like. They came upon them. I believe it was they did. Yeah, they were like Enterprise was like studying a star or something like that, and then they kind of came together in space. I wonder why we never heard about them. Again, that's interesting because. They ended up having a civil war and they're all dead. Doesn't well, it's a long way look at all the society as we've not seen again.

26:07 Yeah, there's a. Lot of Federation has an anti slavery uh doctrine, So I don't know how they would fit in the federation. That's another question. That's another pole question for yet another day. Actually kind of have a theory about that, to be honest. So, with the advancement of technology throughout the Federation over year, and you're after informed, I would imagine that over time they would probably find a way around this having a third pertion and to be able to appro create and so well. Well, but let's be clear though, it's not the third person needed to be needed for procreation. That's the problem.

26:48 It's the way that they treated that person. So that's a societal change, not a biological change. I know, I understand that. But if they would have found a way biology biology way, biological way, if they would have found that, then they would have been able to just like you know, allow the third person to like get educated or get into more idle get here as you could say, So they wouldn't become slaves anymore, piche shouldn't. Yeah, maybe they had to have like maybe shined a charter to join the Federation to be able to say, like you have to treat you know, the people as equals kind of thing. So I would imagine they would probably do it if they found a way around the optacle. Basically, with my opinion.

27:36 We can only hope, all right, Eric, So what's our sex are our second? Like massively ethical. Another good one. Yeah. So, in the TS episode Space Seed, Lieutenant Marlon mc givers is ethically bound by the Federation and romantically drawn to Con. The end, she chooses Hahn. Do you agree with her decision? And twenty one percent of our listeners agree with mcgiver's choosing Con over her sort of Federation family, so to speak, and seventy nine percent disagree with her choice and think that she should have chosen the Federation. And so, I guess my response to this toll is, if you look back in history at every single story that's ever been told, love matters more than anything else. And so did she rap her federation ideals by going with kN Absolutely? Was con sort of a half crazy madman bent on world domination? Absolutely?

28:53 And could she have ever made a different decision? I don't think so. Man love Conkers all so I think she was probably wrong, But I don't think she had a choice. I think she was in love and she had to choose that. Well, I think it was in a script if she had chosen. Well, yeah, I mean, if she had chosen the Federation, we wouldn't have the Wrath of con and then we would have Nicholas Meyer and we wouldn't be talking to him in a couple of weeks about that. Yeah, she made the right decision all the way. Maybe we should a Nicholas Meer and we'll. Ask Nicholas Meyer. That's a good question, he says. You know what, I think that this is another one of those like cogenitor questions, because even though she chose CON, she didn't abandon her federation ideals because she came back and saved everybody and would and they would have easily been killed. And basically she did kind of come around and at the end decided to go with kN rather than go to a penal colony. So again, it kind of like the cogenitor thing. She she made the wrong decision, but then kind of course corrected and then decided to go with CON after all. So yeah, I mean, she made the wrong decision absolutely, but it all worked out me because we got the wrath of CON. What do you think, David, I.

30:24 Think Con bribed her with cookies, I don't know, but. Ribed her with that chest is what he did. Yeah, yeah, I honestly think I mean I totally agree with her that love conquered doll and the fact that, yeah, she did probably make the wrong decision because she was kind of ethically bound to the Federation. However, how many times have we shangn throughout Di tract history where people will come and go, we know we got the bad admirals now, and people leave the Federation and for different reasons. But yeah, so I mean, technically, uh, this is another one that said yes and no for me, but I got them leaning toward more like absolutely that she uh that she did make the my choice to go with Khan.

31:21 But I mean, if it, like you said, Jim, if it didn't happen, we wouldn't have had Wratha Kahn, So maybe maybe it would have been called love of Kan. The absence of Conn. All right, Charles, we're back to you again, buddy. Well, the one thing is she still end up giving the Federation up to being in that abandoned ship. And did she make it to Wrath? Did she make it to Wratha con too? And think she was? She wasn't? I think that. I think the actress died, didn't she?

32:05 I think? And there's actually there's actually a non cannon explanation too if you read that what's it called raining in Hell comic book with with Con When he's on Alpha SETI five. I think I got that right, And that's when she actually dies on the planet. Is in the comic book. Yeah, they also mentioned she died in the movie. I thought, okay, that's when. Yeah, yeah, but they the comic. There the bug things got into her ear and killed her. Yep, the Seti eels. Or the planet. Yeah, so yeah, I think she did break her oath to the Federation. Ah. Sure, if she'd end up in a penal colony, she might have been in the brig or military prison. But either way, she probably wasn't gonna have a great life.

33:10 So yeah, she was also being in the court martial, wasn't she She. Probably would have if she'd sat there and tried to help con and lose the enterprise. Well, she ended up dead after a couple of months, so maybe she should have stayed with her Who knows. But yeah, I mean, you know, it's I try to come up with interesting questions that are gonna make people debate and talk. So yeah, that's that was an interesting one for sure. So you know what time it is now, don't you? It's this time? All right. This is a part of the show where Charles goes back and tries to pick out some interesting episodes that you can go back and watch that will fill in some of the holes or just discuss what's going on in this week's episode of Lower Deck. So Charles take it away with Cadet training Buddy, all.

34:25 Right, well, we're not gonna hit just shows. We're gonna get tired Tire Tire productions as the first few Enterprise where you can learn about to Paul and her her relationship prior to Mary Tucker DS nine. You can learn more about Kurizon Dacks, Elon Garrick and doctor Julian Bajier. Voyager. You can learn more about Harry Kim and Sen Harry Kim.

35:08 You can also go to Star Trek First Contact and learn about Lily Sloan, and then a few episodes to recognize Lower Decks Crisis point two paradox. This is the death of Boimler's Clone or the other Boimler, which we find out in this episode didn't actually die, but it was a transfer of him to a different organization Lower Decks. Much Ado about Boimler. By the way, the death of Clone was season three episode eight. Much You Do About Boimler Season one episode seven, The Croppians previously appeared and we're much more friends then. And this was a good tie in here DS nine where you hear the reference to doctor Brajeer I presume, which was DS nine season five, episode sixteen, which was the first time that they had an idea about creating abear emh. So with this episode they actually had one. That's the episode where they actually got the idea originally.

36:34 Excellent, So you guys can go and check those out if you'd like some a little bit of backstory or just some fun filler about this week's episode of Lower Decks. And every week I ask you guys what you thought about the episode and to score the episode. And again you have to be creative. You have to try to find it because it's no longer on our Facebook page unfortunately, but it's still floating around out there on the socials. You can find it if you look. And I'm gonna turn this over to Eric to do the fan ratings on Fizzier quests. Take it away, Eric. All right, Jim, I had a little bit of technical difficulties. You guys can hear me. Okay, they're right, yep, excellent.

37:17 All right, Our fan, Ellen Smock said I love it. I love it so much. It's super funny, moving, great science fiction and quite simply the best fan service ever thanks to Ellen. Daniel Ballard said, I did, and bringing bringing back a lot of the original characters to voice their original characters made it even better. Bobby Vergis said, awesome episode. Tom Camarata said they know how to do fan service. Dana Smith said I thought the Locarno from last season was a deep cut, but some of these I was like wow. And to get Alfie Woodard and Jolinel Laylock come back to Star Trek is amazing. This is the Star Trek episode I didn't know I needed and is one of my top favorites of new Star Trek episodes. Boyd Clark said maybe my favorite one of the series.

38:15 Jim J. Watson said lower Decks covered so much ground all over Star Trek. Madeline Wildish said the cold open alone was worth the price of entry. Sebastian Wilkins said it was nice for them to address the extended universe, cannon around trip and to Paul's marriage. Paul Koontz said this episode was fire. This was a great idea for a great movie, live action interesting. Barton Pyle said absolutely loved it. I want more seasons. Matthew Jacinto said my jaw dropped and dropped and dropped in giddiness. More proof that the people making this show love Trek. Stephen Couture said great fun The Kims are so funny, and Ryan Galloway said so awesome.

39:08 One of my favorite Lower Decks episodes, right up there with the DS nine and Lucarno Ones and Jim This week, we have a fans score for this episode of nine point two. Nine point two. That is an extremely respectable number. I believe that that's right at the top end of what we have seen for Lower Decks this season. Yeah, looks like, yeah, it's right up there. So fantastic episode. The fans loved it, so let's talk about it. Yeah, who wants to jump in here first? Charles? You want to go first? Since you dragged up the caboose on the last couple. If maybe you're mute to Charles, we can't hear you.

39:51 Let me grab my notes then a few notes that I had to throw up on this one. Definitely love this episode, she decided because people were saying, well, you even want the last two episodes? Okay, I went through and saw both of them together, and they were a great two parterre together. But right in the beginning, you see Boimler. With the black badge, and I didn't tie that in, but that reminds me of the badge we saw, I think the third episode Discovery, and we saw the teaser for season two A Discovery, but we normally don't see a whole lot of that black bade. Look at Mariner in Yellow. I was definitely kind of throwing me off a little bit there. It was impressive to see her in a position that she was a lot more life our engineer, a little more like a Tilly or yeah, I can't think of his name, but interesting to see that she was more of an excited ops person. You're thinking of Billups, No, I'm actually thinking of our lower

41:21 decks one. All right. Somebody made the comment and I was looking through and somebody of the comment, and I agree, too bad. In this episode they never decide to actually do a blue alert. Does anybody ever remember what a blue alert was? Do you know what a blue alert is? Isn't that a medical thing? No? No, no, blue alert is what you go in when you're exiting space. Stock when you're landing U when you're landing out.

42:03 Well, I think Voyager used Voyager used a blue somebody used the blue once to land on the planet and this was not to see the fact that they actually went on a went on and did a landing, which that was a topic conversation of the original Defiant. We don't think ever had landing gear, so we think this new one actually got landing gear built in, which is impressive to see the USS Bagle or to USS Bagle, but the Beagle, anybody know what its origin is?

42:53 It's Archer's dog. Yeah, Snoopy's with those. Well, the ship we saw in the in the show wasn't where the ship comes from. Yeah, that was one of the ships we saw on the h wall of the Enterprise and Star Trek the motion picture. It's a version of it. Yeah, you it's this Enterprise X see the three three three zero which we got to see in the motion picture. Also, I like the. Name the ship an x an ax mar mirror a mirror and Eric might know that reference.

43:46 I do. Yeah. He's considered one of the very first Greek philosophers, one of the I know. He was the first one to write down his actual stuff so that we could we could have it now. And I believe he's done one who and I was finishing that, I believe that he's also the one who came up with the concept of infinity. Xemner was the first astronomer to consider the Sun as a huge mass and consequently to realize how far the Earth might be, and it's and it's first to present the system where celestial body is turned at different distances.

44:32 So he was actually not only a philosopher but one of our probably our first astronomers. So I thought that was an interesting way of tying him to the ship. And what did people think about the Garrick Bridgier relationship. Finally got to see those two as a couple, and I forgot to reference that, but I would reference that to the documentary which recently was mentioned what we left behind discussion about the documentary documentary on DS nine And they said, and they said in that show that there was could have been a relationship, and they never really followed on it, but that I do like. And here they finally took one pair from different dimensions and actually allowed to have a relationship going on between the two.

45:50 And what was interesting about that Charles is one of them was a hologram. So we got some inner species stuff. Well I don't in our species, but you know what I'm saying, Yeah, I. Mean essentially in a species. Yeah, I think I I it was a It was a great, great thing put together, and. It's definitely would have been one too. We wish it had been more of a follow up to what happened as I'll let somebody else talk about it. I think there's a follow up to what happened with the Paul and kursha.

46:34 Mm hmm. Yeah, but I'll jump in later. But I'm going to go with a nine point five on this one. It's impressed, definitely up there, most impressive. Most impressive episode. I had to get some Star Wars in there. Huh, most impressive. So I gotta move my compute here a little bit because the the dog is laying right on my feet and I'm getting numb here. Come on, Leah, can't you go somewhere else? There we go. So who wants to jump in next? I guess I will. So, you know, I gotta say I watched this episode right before the podcast just to refresh myself because it was well two weeks ago since I watched it, and I gotta say, I'm not really big on the the alternate universe multiverse stuff, doesn't.

47:39 I mean, Jim, are you like Boimler says in here where he's like he thinks the multiverse is a lazy derivative and that he's so eff and sick of the multiverse. Yes, I was. I was pretty much Boimler. I mean, Marvel did it. I just I don't like it. I didn't like I didn't. I wasn't thrilled with it. So yeah, I was not thrilled with it. The reason why I'm not thrilled with it is because it's not real. There's everything else. Yeah, No, there's there's no you know, if if Trip dies in this universe, he just jumped to another universe and grab him. You know, Discovery did it with Georgio. And we know that there's multi there's a multiverse because when Stanmt's was jumping the Discovery around the Klingon ship, every little globe that they saw was a universe and Lorca was trying to find his. So we know that it's there. We're well aware of it. We know that there's a mirror universe. And I just don't feel the need to really delve much deeper into it than that, so I wasn't impressed with it. However, However, I loved the episode, okay, I you know. I thought it was great that we saw Curzon waving his bat leath around and to Paul and like one of our

49:09 viewers our listeners had said, it was great to see all these characters back again, and the Kims just had me on the floor laughing. I loved the Basher Garrick thing was great too, having Lily show up. There was a lot of fun stuff in this episode that I did enjoy. I just didn't enjoy the premise of it, and we're going to talk a lot more about that next week. I'm going to stick to this episode in particular. So this particular episode, I didn't mind it quite as much because of the way the episode was structured, the way it worked out, and it was just a lot of fun, you know. The repercussions of it weren't brought up until the next episode, so I enjoyed it, and I I did like seeing the section thirty one Boimler, and I don't know why they didn't mention that in the this episode, but he.

50:01 Already says in his log that he can't tell us what the organization is, So I mean they do mention it by not mentioning it. Well, it's weird because they particularly they specifically told us when they revived him two seasons ago or whenever it was that it was section thirty one. Yeah, but he's leaving a log now and he can't put anything like that in an official log. I asked the old log, the captain's log. Yeah, you can't. You can't, like if you're class if something's classified, they can tell us on screen, but you can't put that in a log. Yeah. I mean there are things that we know as fans that are unbeknownst to the people that exactly you know, just like in Spaceballs. But yeah, I mean I thought Curzon was great. I liked the whole thing with Paul taking the Dak Symbian's memories kind of the cotra like.

50:52 We saw multiple contra really cool, doing. The Ratha con that was all great. I loved Boimler is it And I mean, uh, Mariner as an engineer was great too, Like Charles said, yeah, so there was a lot of fun stuff in here. So I'm right there with Charles. I'm gonna go with a nine point five on this one. It was just fun. It was a fun episode, and uh, I'm gonna go with a nine point five. Who wants to jump in here next? Well, we have we have David, we have Eric. Eric, you want to bring up the kaboos on this one. Sure, I'll bring up the Kabooz. Go for it, David, Go for. It, David. Oh, by the way, your slide show is outstanding.

51:34 I just wanted to throw that out there. Makes uh. Yeah, I'm pretty much right up there with you guys. And as far as scoring God, but the uh, I always felt like this episode for some reason was a little rushed, only because they knew that they were being canceled and the fact that they had to get this particular episode in there before can So to me, I thought there could have been a little bit more explanation of trying to find, you know, who's responsible for opening up all these rips, And to me, I was like, well, that turned out to be pretty quick. To me, I don't know, I mean, it was just something about it that this whole season where they were trying to find the person and all of a sudden, it just happened to be here. It's like maybe it was planned, maybe it wasn't. I don't know, but to me, it just felt a little rush. But no, I'm pretty much up there with you, guys. I did enjoy this episode. I thought it was really adventurous. And I'm kind of with Jim on this one where he's talking about, like I hope that they didn't have to open up a multi universe.

52:47 But I mean even before Lower Decks, they've been talking about the multiverse for quite a while. I mean it didn't Enterprise mentioned something about that as well when Daniels was talking to them about different time zones and stuff that could I thought you mentioned something about it different. Yeah, I mean there's a that to me, David, there's a question of like timeline versus universe, right, like in like Daniels was talking about different timelines and stuff, and then there's universes. But like you could, China, you could probably argue that those two are one and the same. But I've always thought about them as as different. Like in this timeline, I make this decision, or I make this decision, and different things happen, but in a different universe, I'm green, and something entirely different would happen.

53:39 Yeah. I just thought for some reason, Star Trek made an explanation like, if you mess with the time it's going to open up another pathway to an alternate universe kind of thing. So I always thought when you're messing with time travel, multiple portals start opening up to different universities or something. I don't know. Maybe that didn't. Didn't we talk about that, Prodigy. Yeah, something like that. That's what I's not too Yeah, but yeah, so, I mean they've been talking about it for a while, which is probably leading up to this because I believe this was the last series that was handsled before Prodigy and the others I think, am I wrong about that? But anyways, Yeah, I loved the fact that they brought into Paul and I might actually kind of intrigued with the multiple universe, even though I'm not really much of a big fan of it either. That's one of the reasons why I kind of stopped watching a lot of the m Shues or whatever the other ones do. But yeah, to me, this one had a lot of potentials and yes, it may or may not be lazy writing just because you know, they're bringing in.

54:53 Some people might call fan service because they brought to paul In and stuff, But if they come up with something new, that's good. If they come up with something you know that they've done before, trope, you know, I'm fine too. I'm I'm all for fans of us here and now. But depending on the story plane everything. But other than that, it's intriguing. It's an intriguing plot line, and I hope they bring I hope they do bring back Lower Decks because I kind of want to see where they take it. So to me, I'm I'm actually interested now to hear what you guys think. Are they going to be bringing Boimler live action inter Section thirty one movie?

55:35 Now? Since we know he parted this, I don't think so. Wrong timeline, Okay, I mean well, I Section thirty one was was done long before this was even though the timing of the release isn't the actual Section thirty one was written and filmed before this episode. Yeah, that's just kind of an interesting but it's. Not a bad idea because we did see him on on Strange New Worlds and he was awesome. Yeah, although I'd have to say I believe it was this episode. That my favorite line from the no way damn two point tim Yeah, there was a lot of one. Yeah, considering the fact that there is a lot of different things that took place in here. I actually liked how Harry Kim, the promoted one, was actually the villain of this although did he really need to be I don't know, but it was kind of an interesting plot line and the fact that we actually got to meet Sloan, which I never knew Lily had a last name in for Contact.

56:51 To be honest, I never knew that even mentioned her name, or even if it was even in the credits. Was it? Oh yeah, she had she had a start a card to in the game. Oh yeah, I have the idea. Okay, when I mentioned literally I almost had to go look it up, and then I realized, oh, I remember who it was now, So yeah, it's the lady from the Star Treks for Contact, which was kind of interesting. But at the same time, it was like they could do a lot of stuff with these multi universities because they could literally bringing Captain Kirk in this timeline just by opening up a rift into Captain Kirk's timeline and booing him in two hours.

57:33 So It's like there's there's so much potential with this idea that it could be a great idea, but at the same time, it could be not so great idea. I mean, are they're going to be booning in another alien species that we may never heard of before? So I don't know. It's gonna be an interesting, uh concept to continue on. And I really hope they bring back over the deck as I said before, So I'm gonna have to give this one a nine point nine to be honest. Wow, I actually really did enjoy it, and I hope they bring it back. Eric, we have a score from Paul, I asked him, and I didn't hear back from him, So I do not have a score from Paul. I did try, though.

58:15 We could give him a point something. We give him. We can give him a decimal because he loves decimal so much. Give him a point nine. He may he may jump right from wherever he is right now and come after as if we do. Well. So Eric, that means you got the kaboose on this one. You you got to hear what everybody else thought and you get the final straw. Yeah, okay, let me let's see. Let's address a few things that you guys talked about first, So I agree with David. The episode when it first starts out, feels like it's moving at lightning pace. It was a little disconcerting at first, but then I think I kind of got used to it, and upon a second viewing, I didn't think it was as disconcerting, but it did. It did feel a little rushed. I also felt like some of the scene transitions were a little weird. There were like weird pauses that would occur before the scene would change, so I don't know what that was all about. It feels like maybe one more round of editing could have could have cleaned that up just a little bit. Jim, you brought up the multiverse thing, so I completely would normally agree with you in that alternate universe stories don't matter to the characters that we know and care about. However, I think this one was unique in that all of the alternate universe stuff that was happening had ramifications in our prime universe. Right if all universes are destroyed, then that's a huge problem. And so despite the fact that

59:46 our prime universe characters weren't really in the show, aside from the very beginning in the very end, all of the stuff that the alternate universe characters were doing mattered to the fate of our prime universe characters. So I didn't like in the end, even though I initially thought that was an issue, I didn't think it was. So that's my take on that. The jokes were okay. They were not the funniest jokes that we've heard on the show, but some of them were were decent. I will say, And does anybody know I didn't have a chance to look this up. Does anybody know if Garrett Wong actually voiced him or not? Yes, I think it was.

1:00:26 He did. Garrick was Garrick. I'm not sure about that was all or not? But no, that was that was the Paul I was. I don't know, But no, I don't know about Lily. I don't or Lily. I don't think she was the same actress positive it was. Yeah, yes, they did. All of them came back to do these roles. So my take on that is that I'm kind of tired of the Harry Kim not being promoted trope thing, Like I just am sick of it, and I hate that it keeps getting brought up all the time, and I hate that people make jokes about it all the time and when we hear it. Garrett Wong on our podcast, he said that he's sick of it and that he doesn't like it. So I'm assuming that the reason that he did this show was that he got paid some bank and good for him.

1:01:16 But he did have he did have two pips. He had two pish Yeah, two pip Kim. But the whould that have been done in a slightly different way? Yeah, We're there some funny jokes in there as a result. Yeah, but man, I hope this is the last we hear about Kim not being promoted in Star Trek. It just I'm just tired of it. So those are kind of like my overall thoughts specifically. Let's see, there's several things specifically I want to talk about. You get the whole like plasma blast from from uh oh my god, I just lost name from Rutherford's eye thing at the beginning of the show that never comes back up. I'm assuming that maybe that's going to come back up in the final episode, but otherwise it was just kind of a it is. Well, thanks for the spoiler alert.

1:02:14 I didn't say. No I didn't ask you to tell me what happens. I just said, I wonder if that's no, But Charles, Charles just told no, I didn't ask. Okay, So anyway, apparently that's going to come up in the future. It was a little weird that it didn't come back up in this episode. I do love the fact that they that to Paul, that we get to see it got to be married to Trip for sixty three years because as we all know, Trip spoiler alert dies in enterprise and so she actually doesn't get that like opportunity. So I'm I'm super glad that that she did. The Garrick the Sheer thing amazing. I mean, fans have been talking about that for years. Finally it's on screen. I love that they did that. I'm with Jim on the multiverse thing, as I was saying, but like I said, there's a there's an out, so it's not so bad. Let's see Les Sloan. Oh man, it was awesome to have her back.

1:03:20 And the fact that this Lily Sloan that we see comes from a reality where warp drive was never invented, but want them drive was, and they can bounce from reality to reality. I thought that was a really cool kind of like way of looking at you know, I mean, if you're going to do Multiverse, that's a great way to kind of pull you entirely out of the star trek that we know and give us a different kind of star trek. And in fact, I mean we already kind of knew about Multiverse and Timeline ever since two thousand and nine. Right, Like the entire Helvin movie series is all based on there being at least three universes Prime, Mirror and Kelvin. So it's not like we didn't know that there were more universes, although I did. Like there's that one line that one of the Kim says was He's like, what what do you mean there are more than two universes? That was pretty funny. He makes a couple of other Kim comments, you know, that's very Unkim like behavior. He liked that to Paul absorbing multiple contrasts, Please don't comment on this. I'm wondering if that's going to come up in the final episode as well, and I'm excited if it does. Let's see, there were a bunch of other kind of like familiar things that came up, Like I remember seeing the one Kim that was absolutely in the uniform from the Voyager episode Drive that I thought was kind of fun. Apparently he must be. It looked like he was the one who got trapped in

1:04:52 the delta quadrant and actually never made it home. Remember there's that whole thing like are you one of the ones that made it back or did you get trapped in the delta quadrant? And they were trying to just which one he was, and I think just the Drive Kim was the one who ended up being trapped in the delta quadrant. That was hilarious. I don't know, is is Oh, here's a question. I have the aliens there the where were they Quopians or Qutopians or something like that, the ones that everybody thought were gonna be nice but then turned out to be mean. Is that what Moopsie was with Muzia que Utopian or whatever. No, this was shown up in back to my show notes, What'd you do about Boemler? We saw them in that episode.

1:05:44 Okay, I mean there was that that comment about like, well, at least I don't drink our bones or something like that. So I wondered if there was a little connection there or not. But uh. Okay, okay. I love that we got to actually see Curzon a little bit more because we only see Curzon in DS nine in a couple of flashbacks, and then we see kind of like the personality of Curzon in that one episode where Dax's like previous personalities and habit members of the crew and they sort of come back and interact with her. So it was cool to actually see Curson in the flesh for an extended period of time. And to me, he was very shacks like, you know, I don't like, he's ready to use his bat left to do whatever needed to be done. Oh and the comment about the borg Kurk, that totally the second I heard that, I started laughing so hard because I don't know how many of you have read those William Shatner.

1:06:47 That William Shatner novel The Return where dead Kirk is resurrected and becomes a borg. This is a book written by William Shatner because he didn't like the way that Kirk died in Generation and so he wanted a different death for him, so he wrote a book about it. Hilarious that they that they brought in that beta canon stuff. So lots of stuff to like, lots of references, the timing of the show was a little weird, and the jokes were pretty good but not amazing. So so I can't quite go as high as you guys are going. I mean, I definitely enjoyed the episode, and I watched it twice and I got different stuff out of it the second time, so that says something. So, without modifying my score from what I wrote down before I heard you guys, I gave this show an eight, a solid eight that was great, but not definitely not the best lower decks that I've seen personally.

1:07:46 So can I offer you some cookers to change your mind? No? I mean here in nine point nine kind of what makes me want to give it a four just to bring the average one? But I honestly thought it was about an eight myself. And oh, come on, you gotta go with a decimal in honor. Of Paul, well some point nine. Then you know it's more point nine than an eight point one. You gotta go with a decimal just for Paul, for Paul he loves Yeah, I gotta get a seven and nine. So overall, what does that What does that leave us with Charles actually.

1:08:27 Actually working in the numbers at seven point nine actually works and this is I think a rare occasion. The fans gave it a nine point two, the house gave it a nine point two. That is rare. Wow, that is very rare that that hardly ever happens. Wow. All right, guys. So that wraps up our discussion on Star Trek Lower Deck Season five, episode nine Fiss Requests. Next week we're gonna talk about the next the new next Generation, which is the season five and episode finale of Lower Decks. So please search our socials so that you can be heard in our polls and get your opinion mentioned on the episode. And you know what time it is. Now. This is the part of the show where we do our Star Trek birthdays, and that means we have to play our song no War if that wasn't you say that every week? And I love it and I love what David put up on the screen. Gotta love that. Gotta love my engineer.

1:09:54 He's quite the guy, all right, guys. So this is the part of the show how where we do our Star Trek birthdays, and we always start off with Eric and sadly enough, we're going to remember those members of our Star Trek family who are no longer with us. Eric, take it away, yeah, Jim. This week we're gonna remember six members of our Star Trek community who have gone before us. The very first is actor Ruder Rudy Solari. Rudy Solari was the actor who played Salash in the TOS third season episode The Paradise Syndrome. Rudy definitely became a household name in series like Gun Smoke, Outer Limits, Big Valley Mission, Impossible Police Story, and quincy Me Back in the Day, but he made his first film debut with a brief appearance in the nineteen sixty one classic Judgment at Nuremberg, which also featured somebody else you may have heard of from Star Trek named William Shatner. Unfortunately, Rudy died of cancer in nineteen ninety one at a young age fifty six years old.

1:10:57 He was a popular acting coach and theater director, and actually once had a theater named after him. It has since been renamed Happy Birthday Rudy's Solari Happy Birthday as well to Richard Dick Miller. Dick Miller was a veteran actor who has appeared in two Star Trek spinoff series. He first portrayed the holographic news vendor in the Next Generation first season episode The Big Goodbye, and then later appeared as Vinn in the Deep Space nine third season episode Past Tense Part one and Part two, of course, which are set well last year now. Miller was a veteran of campy and often humorous science fiction and horror movies.

1:11:39 Began as a regular in the Roger Corman films and later in films directed by Joe Dante. He made his film debut back in nineteen fifty five in Horman's movie patche Woman, and if you look him up on IMDb, he now has over two hundred credits to his name, far too many for me to go through. Let's say, Dick Miller a very prolific actor. We lost him just back in twenty nineteen at the right old age of ninety years old. Happy Birthday? Did That's that's where I remember him from? Yeah? Absolutely, He's got so many great roles and movies over the years, So go check him out. Happy Birthday as well.

1:12:23 To Elisha Van Slick Cook Junior, He's a He's mostly known and loved in Star Trek as Samuel T. Pogley in the TOS first season episode Fort Marshall. Very familiar actor. You know, he's a very short of stature person. A former vaudevillian, had a prestigious Hollywood career spanning nearly six decades. He made frequent appearances in many shows as a mobster. He was on Magnum p I from nineteen eighty three to nineteen eighty eight and made guest appearances all over the place. Was also featured in several classic films, including The Maltese Falcon, The Big Sleep House on Haunted Hill.

1:13:14 I mean these are these are like banger movies, so he's been in a whole bunch of them. You should also go check out his IMDb page. But we lost Elisha back in nineteen ninety five at the age of ninety one years old. Happy birthday to Elisha Cooke Junior. Happy birthday as well to Charles Maxwell. He's the actor who played Virgil in the TOS third season episode Specter of the Gun. Of course, Virgil was the older brother to Wyatt Earth If you feel like you recognize that name. Charles Maxwell made guest appearances on The High Chaparral, Bonanza, Gun Smoke, and was also the voice of Radio of the radio broadcaster throughout the entire run of Gilligan's Island.

1:13:58 Every Time You Heard That Radio Guy Charles Maxwell. He also appeared in such films as The Search for Bridy McMurphy, The Power of the Resurrection, and Brainstorm from nineteen sixty five, Happy Birthday, Charles Maxwell lost back in nineteen ninety three at seventy nine years old. Happy Birthday as well to David Wesley Frohman. I mixed up the order there. Sorry about that. I always saved the best for last. He's the veteran television actor and drama instructor who played Commander Kaniera in the Next Generation first season episode Heart of Glory. He's perhaps best known for his reoccurring role as Lieutenant Bob Brooks on the NBC television series Mattlock from nineteen eighty six through nineteen ninety four. In fact, in nineteen eighty six, Froman also guest starred on an episode of the Prime adventure series p J. Hooker, also starring and featuring mister Bill Shatner. After Matt Locke endited its run in ninety four, Froman returned to Miami and rejoined the faculty at A and M College, where he remained as a full time instructor until two thousand and two. He also worked with the Miami Little Theater for many years, and in August of two thousand and seven, he continued working at the College as a part time drama instructor, where he remained until his death from cancer in twenty ten.

1:15:19 He was seventy one years old. Happy birthday to David Wesley Frohman and now David, back it up once because for our finale we will say happy birthday to the one, the only. Nachelle Nichols course known as Lieutenant Uhura in the original series. She also provided the voice for a number of other characters on the animated series. She was actually originally discovered by jazz legend Duke Ellington in her mid teens and began touring with Ellington and Lionel Hampton as a lead singer and dancer. She didn't break into acting until the film porgyan Bess in nineteen fifty nine, and had an acting career that lasted over forty five years.

1:16:06 Now. I don't know if you know this or not, but Nichols actually lobbied to appear as Guynan's daughter in the Next Generation. Richard Arnold in fact added that by suggesting added to that by suggesting that at the Los Angeles Creation Convention in nineteen ninety she might appear as Guynan's mother or daughter. However, neither came to pass, and I'm not really sure why. It would have been kind of cool to see Michelle Nichols play a different role other than Overa, but we never got to see that. She was the first African American actress to play to place her handprints in front of Grumman's Chinese Theater in Hollywood, along with the rest of the Star Trek cast, and I of course have seen that. I believe Charles and I may have been together when we saw that. In nineteen ninety two, she earned her star on the Hollywood Block of Fame, and in two thousand and six she returned to the role over her, of course, in the fan film Star Trek of Gods and Men, which if you haven't seen it yet, you definitely should give it a whirl. After meeting Nichols at a Star Trek convention in nineteen seventy five, scientist doctor Jesco von Putcommerce suggested that the actress take part in NASA's recruitment drive. Nichols took up the role in nineteen seventy seven, making recruitment and training films and supervised astronaut recruiting and hopefuls. She noted that within six months, the applicant count went from fewer than one hundred a year who over sixteen hundred.

1:17:37 Most of the recruits that she attracted were women or from ethnic minorities. For her efforts, Nichols was named as NASA's Woman of the Year in nineteen seventy nine. And if you'd like to know more about her role in NASA and the recruitment process, you can see the most excellent movie Woman in Motion, which just came out a few years ago. Would anybody else like to say anything about Michelle Nichols while while we've got you here. Well, I just finished reading the graphic novel by Jeorge Decay called They Called Us Enemy, And I was, first of all, if you haven't read that, you have to. It's just it's wow.

1:18:19 I've got to copy, David if you want to borrow. It for people. For people that say something like that can never happen here it did, and especially with what's going on in our political arena right now and the threat of things that might happen, I think it's more important now than ever to not forget history and make sure it doesn't happen again. But the reason why I bring that up is there's a there's a chapter in that book where George meets Michelle because he was doing a play about the graphic novel and she was in it, and he met her before they were on Star Trek, and he actually mentions it in the book. He says that he met her and he didn't know how integral his relationship to her would end up being in the future.

1:19:09 So you haven't. If you haven't checked that out, please do. It's great and George meeting Michelle before they were on Star Trek was awesome, and I just just wanted to throw that out there. I did. I did meet her at a Star Trek convention and I had an autograph of her doing the fan dance from none other than the Greatest Star Trek movie ever five And she was very gracious, very nice lady, and I just can't say enough good about her. So, yeah, she talks about that that part in Star Trek five, actually, Jim, because of course in Star Trek only in a couple of episodes did they actually get to feature her voice, and they never until then really got to feature her dancing talents. And so in Star Trek five, when she got to sing and dance, she felt like that was a very shell moment.

1:20:01 Yeah, until they took her singing out. I don't know if it was Shady or the studio, but they took her singing out and didn't tell her ridiculously. She wasn't happy about that, but she was definitely a class act all the way around. Yeah. Well, so of course, oh go ahead, Charles. And conventions, I made a few, a couple of conventions she was there. She was. She made one visit on stage draft the fiftieth, and wasn't able to really go on stage, but she'd still be in the dealer's room, and she was always.

1:20:43 So friendly to anybody who came to meet her and speak with her. But it was just nice the fact that she's one that she'd show up the entire convention just to be in the dealer's room, just to sit there and speak with the fans. Pretty amazing. And so, yeah, and I definitely agree with the Woman in Motion. I saw that with our Star Trek group. And that movie just gave me entirely new impression of her. Yeah, you never really realized how many people looked up to her and were inspired by her. All sorts of people just came to not only Star Trek, but the Space program threw her. Unfortunately, back in twenty eighteen, she was diagnosed with dimension We just lost her back in twenty twenty two. It feels like yesterday.

1:21:37 Yeah, and I just there's a picture floating around of her with President Obama and for her to meet the first black president and for him to tell her that she was the reason why it's got to you know, how does that make you feel? You know that she impacted her presence on the Enterprise and on Star Trek. It impacted the lives of countless people, including the president of the future president of the United States. I mean, that's how influential and how important her role on Star Trek was. So yeah, amazing, it is, it is amazing.

1:22:24 So yeah, So. Happy birthday to Michelle Nichols. We really really miss you and we we just can't even quantify your your influence on the planet. So Happy Birthday. And that does it for our memories this week. So I'm going to pass this this birthday microphone over to Charles. Oh, thank you. Eric. Let's start off with a happy birthday. And Melanie Scorfano played Captain Marie Batell, the commanding officer of the USS. Sai Siyaga. She was also she was also an officer and the judge Obvioacy General's office in Strange New Worlds.

1:23:15 Happy Birthday, Andy Dick. It's an actor comedian who portrayed the e m H Mark two in Star Trek Voyagers fourth season episode Message in a Bottle. As we just. Talked about an EMH in this episode. Happy Birthday. Nicole D. Lawyer it's a Canadian actress who played Ezra Dax during the seventh season of Star Trek d Space nine. Last on my list, but definitely not the bottom of my list. It's very happy birthday. And the Michelle Hurd, American actress who played Rathbe Musker in Star Trek per Card which would more ready. She was great, not serious.

1:24:06 I'll just tell you man. I saw her on stage at I believe it was Phantom Fest last year here in Portland, and I like. I haven't been to as many conventions as like as Uncle Jim has been, but I've been to quite a few, and I will say that she is probably one of the most interesting people I have ever listened to talk on stage. Man. She is politically active. She was the one who was basically one of the leaders of the whole sag Afro Striker last year. She is very strong willed, strong minded, and yet compassionate and loving, and she just exudes nothing but positive energy. She I loved her character, and I loved her as an actress, and then when I got to see her on stage, I like loved her twice as much. She's an amazing person, Yes she is.

1:24:56 I would love to get a chance to meet her myself. I haven't haven't had the opportunity, but she's one of those ones that I definitely want to meet for sure. I can definitely take it. Okay, some living birthdays too. How about that? All right? We're saying happy birthday this week to Dina Meyer, the actress who played Commander Danatra in Star Trek Nemesis, but she's perhaps best known for her role as Dizzy Flores in Starship Troopers from nineteen ninety seven. Well, let's be honest, we all love Denatra because she's awesome, right, and David knows that she is probably one of the best cards in Star Trek Tack Wing too, so I love her on that front as well. Like it's a happy birthday, Dina Meyer. Happy birthday as well to Noel Wells, the American actress, comedian, director, musician and writer who voices Devona Pendy on Star Trek Lower Decks.

1:26:04 We love you, tend. Thanks Noel for making a great character for Lower Decks. Happy par Is. It just me or did the artists try to capture the actors like this yet totally in the characters, because if you look at that picture, Yeah, I can see her there. No absolutely the smile, the eyes, the and when you hear her in interviews and stuff, she has a personality that's sort of tend ish as well. So yeah, I absolutely agree with that, Jim. Pretty cool. Let's talk about one of my favorite actors from Star Trek Discovery. Happy birthday to Wilson Cruz, the American actor who plays doctor Hugh Holber on Star Trek Discovery. He appeared as a reoccurring guest star in the first season, and was promoted to a regular cast member from the second season onwards.

1:26:54 And let me tell you, this guy has got some talent and he always looks good in uniforms. So happy birthday to Wilson Cruz. And last, but not least on Paul's list, we say Happy birthday to Babe new Earth. She's the actress who played the role of Linnelle in Star Trek The Next Generation's fourth season episode First Unpack. Uh. And you know you may know her from some other things as well. Maybe perhaps, maybe. Perhaps, So, Yeah, happy birthday, and Jim, I'll pass that birthday candle over to you then, brother. Yeah, so I always like to do the Klingons well because I like to wave my batlith around. But we're going to start off with one who's not a Klingon because he's in one of my favorite movies, one of my Guilty Pleasures movies from the eighties. And yes, Leia wants to come and be on camera right now. All right, Leah, go ahead, go down there. She's been laying on my feet the whole time, and now she wants to come up and be in my face. Okay, we want to say happy birthday Franklin Jella. He's the Tony Award winning American actor who played Jara Essa and Star Trek d Space nine second season episodes The Homecoming, The Circle, and the Siege. But I'm not particularly remembering for that. I want to mention him for He Man and the Masters of the Universe. That was a great movie if you remember it, and it did have a Star Trek actor

1:28:27 in it. That's right. Tom Parris himself was in that movie, and so was what's her face and what's her face? And what's her face? I'm drawing a blank right now. Leah is being a nuisance here and she's distracting me. But yeah, He Man and the Masters of the Universe, Guilty Pleasure. Loved it. And now now we're going to get to some quing ons. I want to say go blah to Bob Minor, a retired stuntman, stunt actor and stunt coordinator who played Barrock in Star Trek Deeps Face nine third season episode The Visionary, and there he is on the screen. Thank you so much to David. We also want to say happy birthday and caplat to Brett Porter.

1:29:16 He's the actor who portrayed General Stex in Star Trek six The Undiscovered Country, the one armed Klingon. I gotta imagine that after he lost his arm, he wasn't of much use to the Klingon Empire, and it was probably thrown out of office and disgraced, because how can a one arm Klingon wield a batlith? I mean, I always wondered about that, Jim. I love that they show him because it's like, oh, he's a warrior and he's still alive. But like after we see next generation and we realize that Wharf wants to die rather than be healed. Wouldn't you think a Klingon that loses an arm would rather die than not be able to wield a batlest I. Would I would think that would be the case. I would also think they could have grown him another arm by that point. Maybe I don't know, but it was cool to see his arm get blown off. That was neat.

1:30:04 So anyways, so happy birthday to Brett Porter General Stecks from Star Trek six The Undiscovered Country. We also want to say happy I got a lot of great Klingons here. We want to say cup law to Peter Henry Schroeder. He's the actor who played the Klingon Chancellor in Star Trek Enterprise first season episode Broken Bow. This chancellor is unnamed. I searched and searched and searched to try to find his name. It's not out there. But this would be the first appearance of a Klingon Chancellor ever on Star Trek. This would be the first time that that you know, Star Trek visited the Klingon home world. And so even though he doesn't have a name, and one of my rules is if the character doesn't have a name, they don't get mentioned. But he's the Klingon Chancellor, for God's sakes, I had to mention him. So Happy birthday to Peter Henry Schroeder. And now now we have an interesting one.

1:31:03 Here we go, guys, we want to say compla to Damon Runyon and he is the actor who portrayed the Klingon leader you Jilly, Yeah in Star Trek Discoveries episode Battle of the Binary Stars, Lefa, will you take my hand? And Point of Light? I think that's how you pronounce that. It's hard to say. They never they never say his name on screen, but that's my best guess. Yeah, he's the head of the House of Mokai and yeah you yeah, I'm not even well, maybe we'll make that a new rule. If it's not pronounceable, then they don't get mentioned. But uh, I just thought he was great.

1:31:53 I love the Discovery Klingons, and we're going to have a discussion about that in next week's episode when we talk about Star Trek Discovery, because yeah, the giant freaking Robot has this I don't know what you call it, this hatred of Discovery and they put out this whole thing about how it was erased, and we're going to talk about that in great length and great detail next week. But happy birthday to Damon run in the head of the House of Mokai. And that wraps up our birthdays, guys, And now it's time for our Star Trek news. Okay, it's odd that I get to start the first story, but yeah, this week I have the first story, and I want to try to squeeze in as many of these section thirty one stories as we can because we're quickly winding down to section thirty one. So Section thirty one director says the streaming movie is a new flavor of Star Trek with a surprise twiss with lower decks ending.

1:33:19 The next entry for the franchise arrives in just a few weeks with the release of Star Trek Section thirty one, the movie, which will stream on Paramount Plus in January and Sky Showtime in February. Michelle Yo reprises her Star Trek Discovery role as Emperor Philippa Georgio, who joins Section thirty one, the secret Division of Starfleet. According to the brief synopsis, tasked with protecting the United Federation of Planets, she also must face the sins of her past. Dun dun dum. Here is what Altune day a Sunny had to say. We tried to come out and go big. Big steaks emotionally big steaks the character in our story in comparison to many other series that have come in this era, because we all love to compare. The stakes are profound as any that we've seen, but with particular character driven twists that I hope will surprise and delight people who watched a movie. Part of what makes this movie so unique is that it's tied inextribably to Georgio.

1:34:24 She got a fantastic backstory which is epic in its breath. It spans time and space in ways that most characters don't have the opportunity to explore, like Christmas Morning presents for our audience. Having the opportunity to work with Michelle again has been pure on mitigated joy. I'm excited for viewers to experience a hard hitting, action packed and emotional journey through a part of the Star Trek universe that hasn't been explored before. It's a new flavor of ice cream, another color of the rainbow that is a fresh fit in this You universe. In addition to talking about how the movie was developed and what fun they had doing the fight scenes with Michelle Yeo, there was some discussion of the setting of the movie. We know the movie is set primarily in the so called Lost Era of the twenty fourth century, but the film will include multiple time periods, hinting that Hardwicke's long lived Alec could pump up pop up in various times. That right there, that sentence is the one that got me right there, because he's basically saying that the entire movie's not going to take place in one place, and that we could see some time travel shenanigans going on, and that this character, this character Aleck, who I believe is the leader of Section thirty one. We don't really know a lot about him,

1:35:58 but I think he's the leader of Section thirty one because in the trailer, he's the one that comes to her. You know, I got to see this movie because I'm so confused, guys. Okay, I I thought that at the end of season two of Star Trek Discovery, Georgio was invited into and accepted her role in Section thirty one. Am I wrong in saying that. Of season one? Beginning of season. Two, Yeah, she gets the black badge and is a member of Section thirty one, and we see her as a member of Section thirty one. She shows up and stops to cling on Civil War as a member of Section thirty one. So she's already there. So I'm confused as to win exactly. Well, of course, wait a minute, we got to remember that Carl did send her back to it. I don't know, Okay, I'm We're gonna have to wait and see it. I am psyched for this movie.

1:37:00 I love Michelle Yo, and I'm so excited to see her kick somebody in the face who's standing behind her. And I just I'm looking forward to seeing this movie. I'm just confused. I think call center to an alternate universe. I think that I think that could very well be. Yeah, But anyways, that's my section thirty one story. And David, David, you actually have a story for us this week. Huh Yeah. So Joey Shalad Shall Dana addresses long Star Trak four. Wait, we need to do this quickly, Avatar and Guardians of the Galaxy Star Joey Shalad Dana, I think that's how you pronounce it is. Salva has your best concerns about the prolonged delay of Star Track four toesting the time might be running out for the original cast return to space. During an interview with Deadline promoting her Golden Globe nominated performance in Elmelia pereg Solid, sal Than address the status of the long awaited sequel to twenty sixteen Star Track Beyond Nothing that she feels like the cast herself included, could end up doing too old

1:38:33 to reprise the star Tract roles if they wait too long, too much longer to make the film, unless they did some sort of time traveling shenanigans. Maybe okay, So I wish okay, this is her quoting I wish we were able to do it sooner rather than later, she said, and then she also quotes, I like a lot of us, uh to have a full head of gray hair, so we need to do this quickly. Yeah okay, I did read it right. Okay. If this is the same cash, they're going to repriete it again. So she wants a full head of gray hair?

1:39:21 No, she says, I feel like a lot of us have a full head of gray hair. Okay, I missed that one. So they already they already have a full head of gray hair, and so they need to do it quickly. Nice. Yeah, well I could fix that up, but anyway, uh. Saland Saldana also expressed interest in further so I think I get a line. No, okay, Uh expressed interest in further blowing her character's relationship with Fuck so Dark Truk four actually get made. It's been a minute since I recommended Star Trek and all the character journey, but her and Spock were always sort of drawn to each other.

1:40:11 It just makes sense to see what the next step in the relationship and the work relationship as well. She said. The first two j j Abrams dedicated Star Trek films were massive box office success and with Star Trek in the Darkness still holding the distinction distinction being the highest grossing film in diffranchise history. However, Star Trek Beyond was considered a financial disappointment, potentially colluding paramount to question future installments.

1:40:53 The project was faced and had faced numerous setbacks since its initial announcement. The original concept would have featured Chris Pine James T. Kirk meeting his father played by Chris Hendworth. Multiple directors including s J. Collection, Noah Holloway, and Matt Shackman have joined and subsequently departed deproject, with the latest version bringing in screenwriter screenwriter Steve Jake Yay of Supernatural and Doom Portal fame. In March, so, yeah, what do you think guys just taking too long?

1:41:37 Yeah? I think I think the ship has sailed. The windows pass give it up. They Yeah, they had the chance, they didn't do it. It's over. I think they have to go in a different direction. Now let me preface it by saying I think that cast was phenomenal. I think the casting could not have been more spot on or urban. As as McCoy was spectacular, Chris Pine as Kirk, they were all just They were all great, and I had no trouble just accepting them as they were, and I would have loved to see one or two more movies featuring them because they were such a great ensemble cast. You know.

1:42:18 The departure well, the loss of Anton Yelchin was terrible and tragic, but I kind of hope that they would slay Jailah into that role. I think a lot of fans liked her character and would have liked to see her carry on. But I think they waited too long, and I think the interest is gone now in seeing that cast return, and I think they have to go in a different direction and you know, do something else. It's just my opinion. And that's not because I'm a hater of the Calvin universe, because I'm not, or that I hate jj because I don't. I just think the ship has sailed and it's been too long, and they're all doing other projects now, which is going to drive the costs up. And one of the things that Paramount always has in the back of their minds is how much money can we make? And one of the reasons why Star Trek into Darkness, I mean Star Trek Beyond.

1:43:13 You know, they had to pay huge moneys for their salaries, which all goes into the budget. And let's face it, the movie wasn't that great, not because of the actors, it just wasn't. The villain just didn't carry it. It just wasn't a good movie. So yeah, I'm sad to see it go, absolutely, but I think they got to go in a different direction. Yeah, I mean, Jim, if you look at the original movies, so Star Trek the Motion Picture seventy nine, Rathacon three years later, Star Trek two, two years later, Star Trek four, who years later, Star Trek five, three years later, Star Trek six, two years later. There has been eight and a half years between the last movie and now, and if they signed everybody up to do a movie, it would be another year and a half from now before it would come out. That would be almost ten years since the last movie. That ship has sailed. Man, nobody wants another Kelvin Universe movie despite all of the things that you're saying, which was that the test was amazing and there there was no question that their chemistry was great, that the loss of Anton Yelchin didn't keep the fourth movie from being made. But of course, you know that does give people pause. They're just not really sure what to do with that role right now. So yeah, I agree with you. I think the window is passed, unfortunately, which is too bad because I would have loved to have seen yeah, maybe five movies that would have been cool.

1:44:40 Yeah, yeah, because to go on to purchase. You know, they recast them all with younger actors and relatively unknown. Of course, who knew that Chris Hemsworth was going to be Chris Emsworth. But at any rate, you know, they had young actors, a young cast, and I think they envisioned, you know, squeezing five or six movies out of it, but they didn't get beyond three. So unfortunate. I think. I remember skimming through Facebook and seeing and mentioned that people thought the Tarantino movie was dead. No, I mean that would have been That would have been a great way to inject some new life into it. Man, like to do an R rated Star Trek movie. I remember when we talked about that, and I was all about it. I was all about the option of that, especially after we saw that the Uss Callister that episode of Broken Mirror. Yeah, and I was like, yeah, they could do rated our Star Trek that'd be awesome.

1:45:42 Pulp fiction me, baby, pulp fiction me. No. I think I think that Star Trek movies are a now. Section thirty one is going to be on Paramount. Plus it doesn't actually count in my opinion, because it's not hitting the silver screen as soon as they put a movie out to the general public. It's a really slippery slope to walk, guys. I mean not for us, but if you were sitting home and you weren't a Star Trek fan, and you're looking at all these Marvel movies and you're looking at all these movies, what's going to make you decide to go and see Star Trek? You know, it has to compete with all these other movies. And that's where it gets tricky, you know. Like I said, they wanted, they wanted, they wanted Marvel Universe quality money to come in on a Star Trek movie, and I just don't think that's possible. I don't think that's going to happen unfortunately, you know. I mean they got lucky with Into Darkness, which oddly enough made more money than anything, but fans hated on it, but the general public liked it. So what do you do? What do you do. I think their idea of doing movies on Paramount Plus might be the future Star Trek because it gives them the ability to do I'm just throwing He's out there a Captain Sulu thing or or a Captain Wharf thing that they know they have a built in audience for and that they're not going to be competing with Captain America, the

1:47:14 Red Hull, Wicked too, you know, all that kind of stuff. Just my opinion, and I don't work for Paramount, so Eric, you get the next story. Guy, I put this in just for you particularly well. I appreciate that. Otherwise, why bother Star Trek's Kate mulgrew reveals conditions for live action Jane Way return. Since her first appearance in Star Trek Voyager, which ran for seven seasons, mulgrew has appeared in the video game Star Trek Voyager, Elite Force, the two thousand and two film Star Trek Nemesis, which features a young Tom Hardy as the antagonist, the video game Star Trek Legacy, and most recently, has appeared in forty episodes of Star Trek Prodigy, as well as its video games spin off, Star Trek Prodigy Supernova The actress was asked about her thoughts on the possibility of coming back as Jane Way in live action. Quote. I just had dinner with Alex Kurtzman the other night and we talked about this, mulgrew explained. It would have been It would have to be impeccable, It would have to be without Hubris, it would have to be authentic, and would have to be so bloody good that I would in no way question any element of it. I mean to come back after twenty five years into a character that was once, that was once? You know that I'm not only revered by me, but loved by me. I

1:48:45 have to take care of my character. So I've just said to Alex, you know I love her. She will never be misused, but she will be exalted. And the writer has to be somewhere from the heavens. So we'll keep this conversation life. But so far, it's a conversation. When asked of her love for the character, meant she'd only come back if Janeway was the lead, Mulgrew laughed, are you kidding? What do you mean? She asked? She would have to be central to whatever she's doing. Yes, absolutely, Otherwise, why bother. She was Central for seven years, why should it change? Right, completely agree with her. And this is what I love about Kate mulgrew.

1:49:26 Man. She has the utmost respect for high quality things. Right, She's not willing to do anything unless it's of the utmost qualities. She says, you know, impeccable without hubris. She'ses all of these great phrases that just really take it from average to exceptional. And I completely agree with her. I wouldn't want to see Janeway any other way because she's the type of character that demands that, and Kate mulgrew is the type of actress that demands that. So pretty interesting. I don't know that we're ever going to get to see her live action, but man, would that be super cool. And obviously she would have to be in a senior role. You know, we've already seen Admiral Janeway, so it would probably be Admiral Janeway. But I could see it maybe happening if they sort of took the same bent as what they took with Star Trek Card. Right, we never thought that we would see a Card again, and here we get to see him as a ninety year old guy doing his thing. And still living his best life. So I think if they did something like that, they could get away with it. Otherwise, I'm happy with the Janeway that we've seen an At Yeah.

1:50:43 I think she was great on Prodigy, absolutely, Yeah. And the thing about Prodigy was that she got to play a younger version of herself because of the hologram thing, Right, So if you're going to take that and turn it into live action and actually use the actress, you have to deal with the fact that that she's aged. You can't just do a you know, a de aging wife with the AI or something on her and make it a different kind of story. You would actually have to address the fact that the actress is more aged and that that has to play into the actual plot of the story. And I just don't see that happening. Got Anakin, I got Leah. They're just driving me crazy. Yeah, you know, I just something I wanted to mention fans.

1:51:31 I don't know why, fans. What the why is it that we always have to revisit things we've already visited. Why do we have to have, you know, Picard series, Why do we need a Janeway series? Why do we have to keep going backwards? Why do we have a Pike series. Well that's not a great example, But why do we always have to go back to what we already have rather than going forward to something that we haven't seen like we did with Discovery? Why is that legacy? Well again legacy, Yeah, but that's just a rehashing of characters we've seen already. I mean, why can't we get something new? Why do fans always want to fall back on something familiar?

1:52:22 Because I like that comfort food. They don't want to try that new item on the menu. They want to have that old stand and by that they've had every time they've come to that restaurant. Yeah, I mean, I mean, Jim, I almost wonder if part of it is the you know, the the Star Trek franchise has had a history of these kind of big gaps, Right, we had the original series and then there's a big gap, and then I mean we had the movies and stuff, but even then there was there was a gap. And then Next Generation and remember the very beginning of Next Generation. What did we get in season one? We essentially got POS style stories, POS style sets.

1:53:05 Season one of Next Generation wasn't that different from the original series, and it wasn't until the show kind of found its own footing and evolved that it got, you know, interesting. Then we head into Deep Space nine where they say, okay, what if we take it and we put it on a station, we can tell all sorts of different types of stories. And so that was a different thing. That was something fresh and new. So they did actually like something fresh and new. I would argue that Star Trek Voyager, as good as it was and as much as I love it, was essentially the same as Next Generation in a lot of ways, right, different aliens, different stuff, but like the questions are the same, the characters are different. You got different types of characters. You could tell slightly different stories when you're seventy thousand light years from home and that kind of thing. The thing that really gets me is why did people hate Discovery so much? And We've talked about this a million million times, and I don't think that we need to totally rehash it here, but kind of agree with Charles that we're in an era where societally things are constantly changing and people are just kind of freaked out by the fact that everything is changing and they can't even follow along with what's happening.

1:54:15 So what do they want when they watch their television? They want comfort food. They want reality television that is basically a reflection of their own daily lives. You look at most of the shows that are coming out now, and they are usually some version of something that's already been out, or combining a couple of other things that have been out in the past into a new package. The most interesting shows these days push that or they pushed the character interactions and they don't worry so much about whether the plot's been told or not. They make you fall in love with the characters and they show you what can happen that's really cool with the characters. I just wish that people were able to see past, you know, different looking Klingons, past Michael Burnham crying an episode, past all of these things that they say that they hit about Discovery, because, as I'll say the same thing that I said years ago when it first came out, I believe that in ten or twenty years, people are going to look back at Discovery and they're going to be like, you know what, that was actually pretty cool.

1:55:16 They actually were doing something different, and we got twelve million dollars per episode. Style special effects and soundtracks and that kind of stuff. What's not to like about that. It's just that people weren't quite ready for it when it came out. Well, we were taught last week when you guys weren't with us, we talked a little bit about something, maybe the USS Stargazer, you know that way. We have a Picard, but we have twenty five years of Picard's life that we know nothing about. We don't know anything about the Stargazer. We know that Beverly Crusher met Jack Crusher, we know that, but we don't know a lot about it. We know about the Battle of Maxia with the Yeah, we don't know anything about it. So if people want something that's familiar, if the studios want to go in familiar territory, why not recast Patrick Stewart is a much younger character when he first became a captain, and then say, Okay, you guys want something you're familiar with. Here's Picard, here's the Stargazer.

1:56:23 But guess what, we don't know any of the other crew. We don't know the stories, we don't know the aliens. But it's familiar enough to attract people that want familiarity. And that's exactly what they're doing with section thirty one, taking back to the twenty third century. They're showing us Rachel Garrett. They're showing us characters from Discovery that people like because they kick people in the face behind them. You know. It's like, well, however, however, now, I mean, well, what we just heard from what Jim read was apparently going to be a time traveling thing, so it could be all over the place. Well, Carl is involved, and Carl can do any thing. That's the guard point is that they're still going to be showing some stuff with which we're already familiar about, filling in the gaps. That's the point of what I said.

1:57:08 Strange World. That's what Strange the World is. We knew about Pike, we knew about Spots, we knew about Una. Let's rehash and kind of merge from t MG from Stranger World to t O S. There's enough similarities that people recognize it. They can they're able to deal with it, they can find comfort in it. Well, let's see what happens. Comfort food. You're not eating moldy cheese again, are you. I hope it's not moldy. It's not Moldy too, So we have we have Starfleet Academy on the not too distant future, well year a year and a half away. We have an unnamed comedy which uh Beckett Mariner is working on Tawny Newsome. We have Strange New Worlds, two more seasons as section thirty one movie which is coming out shortly. And that's all we have on the docket for his new Star Trek and possibly a movie maybe if we're lucky at some point.

1:58:21 And that's it for Star Trek. Yeah, have we do have an awesome podcast, Trek Talking, which you guys can tune into and h and listen to. So, well, you know what time it is, guys? Is it time for the outro? Yes, it's it is, It's that time. It's there we go. We went through a hole? Can you believe it? Wow? Yeah, Well we did miss Paul, but he should be back with us next week, so they we have that. So I just want to let you guys know we're going to be doing Star Trek Lower Decks finale next week. Than the new Next Generation. It's going to be a time travel thing. We got a lot to talk about.

1:59:03 You don't want to miss that one because it involves Klingons. Discovery. Klingons one of my favorite topics, So you definitely want to tune in next week. And if you're a fan of Voyager, you don't want to miss the sixteenth because we're gonna have mister Tim Russ here Tuvac himself, and you can be pretty sure that we're going to talk about two vix. I'm sure somebody is gonna ask about two vix anyways, maybe we'll see. So we're gonna have a lot of fun with Tim Russ. So please head over to Chuck talkin dot com and record your question. We will play it on the show and get an answer from him. So check that out and go in and check out our Patreon page for only two dollars. There's all kinds of great stuff there that you guys can get in on, and we're always adding more and more and more stuff, so please do that if you can.

1:59:54 And Tim be on video with us right on Patreon. That's right, you can join us. It can be one of our our video people here, so that's gonna be a lot of fun. I want to take this opportunity to say thank you so much to Eric for hanging out and Trek talking with us. Thank you Eric, absolutely, guys, thank you so much. And I want to say thank you to David for the awesome slide show and you did a great job. You're definitely a miracle worker. Thank you so much, David. Comic been really fun. And thank you so much to Charles as well for hanging out in Trek Talking always. Thank you, Charles, always fun. Been missing Talking Trek for a little while, so it's been great to do in it.

2:00:36 It has been it seems like it's been forever, but it's only been a week. And I want to take this opportunity to make a very special, special happy birthday to my awesome wife Karen, who just turned fifty eight on December nineteenth, and my incredibly awesome daughter Jamie Lynn, who just turned thirty yesterday. So I've had a pretty busy week, so happy birthday to the ladies in my life, and of course my dog Leah who just ran away here, who will actually be a year old next month. So a lot of birthdays going on in my household. My ladies are aging, but I am not, so that's pretty cool. I'm your most excellent host, Uncle Jim saying everybody Please stay safe and be good to each other. And remember Star Trek fans are the best fans. Thank you for being a fan. Hailing frequencies are closed. Good night. Everybody, live long and prospers.

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