Dec. 20, 2024

Episode 615- Star Trek: Lower Deck "Upper Decks" review

Episode 615- Star Trek: Lower Deck "Upper Decks" review

In this episode of Trek Talking, Uncle Jim and his co-hosts discuss various aspects of the Star Trek universe, including fan interactions, community engagement, and delve into polls regarding  and discuss various aspects of the latest Star Trek Lower...

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Star Trek Lower Decks

In this episode of Trek Talking, Uncle Jim and his co-hosts discuss various aspects of the Star Trek universe, including fan interactions, community engagement, and delve into polls regarding and discuss various aspects of the latest Star Trek Lower Decks episode "UPPER DECKS", discussing character dynamics, humor, and engineering challenges. They also review the episode ratings, share insights on inclusivity and representation in Star Trek, and remember notable figures from the Star Trek franchise. The conversation wraps up with a light-hearted story about a Star Trek-themed license plate causing unexpected traffic tickets. The conversation dives into various themes surrounding the challenges faced by individuals dealing with bureaucratic systems like the DMV, the evolving landscape of Star Trek series and episode counts, the future of Star Trek content, and the importance of fan engagement and creative ideas in revitalizing the franchise. The hosts express their frustrations and hopes for the future of Star Trek, emphasizing the need for more content and better communication from producers. Star Trek fans are the best fans, Thank You for being a fan, Let's see what's out there...

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Well, good evening, Trekkies and trekkers around the globe. But

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it's Thursday, December nineteen, twenty twenty four. Welcome to episode

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six hundred and fifteen of Track Talking. That was my

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mistake because I'm new to the studio and I forgot

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to go live on the theme song, so I cut

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a little bit of it out. But you guys have

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heard it enough times you have it in your memory.

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We're gonna be short two trucksperts tonight. Eric and Paul

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are not with us, but they are with us in spirit,

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and they have recorded a special message that we're going

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to play for you guys a little bit later in

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the show that I haven't even heard yet, so I'm

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looking forward to hearing what they have to say. Please

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head over to our trek Talking dot Com page. Over

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We will play your question for him live on the

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air and get an answer. You can also say hello

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to us, tell us what you thought about an episode,

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and you want to get used to doing that, because

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in the not too distant future, we're gonna start giving

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away free prizes to people who leave us a message.

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So if you want to get used to leaving us

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a message now so that when we start giving away

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free stuff, you're all set. So okay, Charles, are you

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online with us?

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I am online? I had to disconnect.

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And reconnect okay because my switchboard is saying Charles is

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not online. So but you're online and you can hear us. Yes, okay, excellent,

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So anyways you can help it or our page, our

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Facebook page, A Truck Talking Podcast is still having issues

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with that, damn Facebook. AI. The page is up, you

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can see it, but it's not live. I can't post

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on it. So keep an eye on our Facebook page

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for future posts because we like to put poles up

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and ask you guys what you thought about episodes and

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all kinds of fun stuff to get you know, actions

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with you guys, which unfortunately we can't right now, but

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we will hopefully have that resolve very very soon. As

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of right now, we have twenty four nineteen followers. It

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might be more if I could access the page. So

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we're going to go with that. Yeah, so that's it.

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I'm your most excellent host, Uncle Jim, and I want

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to go around and say hello to my truck sports.

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We'll start out with Charles Charles is out in Las Vegas.

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How you doing tonight? Charles Charles is muted right there

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is He's not mut it anymore.

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Yeah, Jim just has a look at my screen, say

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turn on your mic. A long week. Oh glad, the

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week's almost over. I missed a little bit of the intro.

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I'm not sure if you mentioned it. But not only

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is he working on trying to get the Facebook page running,

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we have a new Patreon page no longer. The old

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Truck Talking Patreon paid is going to be dropped and

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we's going to be replaced by a truck Talking podcast

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paid right now. I got a couple of free memberships

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on there, but looking for some paid members to help

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help us pay for the show and maybe do some

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special things. So come on join us. I'm just posted

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a link to last week video, our live live view

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of our podcast, and the Cadet review missed out what

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I said about what was on the Cadet review. Visit

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the Patreon page. You can see that some past fast

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pass lists. See what shows you want to go back

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and watch to see what's how how Lower Decks Eyes

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into past episodes some other truck series.

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Yeah, and in the future, we're are our video versions

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of our podcast aren't all gonna be up there for free,

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so we're just doing that to test it out. In

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the future, we're gonna make those videos be a paid

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membership as well. And we're also gonna have some special shows,

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like some comic corners, some book nook, I might get

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Leslie Hoppin back, and we might do some special stunt

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tracks for you guys. So we're gonna have all kinds

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of exclusive members only stuff coming up in the future,

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so you want to keep an eye out for that

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as well. And we also have out in Portland our

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Only Portlander Tonight, our very own one and only Donut

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guy himself, my new engineer, mister Scott David. How you doing,

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David well for.

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Being the only Portlander. I guess that means I get

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all the food.

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That's true. Just don't get that moldy cheese.

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Oh you mean that moldy cheese.

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Yeah, that moldy cheese. Don't be eating the moldie cheese.

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Yeah. But yeah, no, it's been good. I was really

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super excited about today because we got to talk about

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lower decks. She's getting pretty good.

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It's rolling down. This is episode eight, where we are

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a week behind. Will be two weeks behind because we're

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not going to be having a show on Christmas, well

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the day after Christmas, because I won't be here, so

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there won't be a show on that Thursday, which is.

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Gonna prolong our art. Jim's is for Boxing Day.

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That's right for Boxing Day, so but that's all right.

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It'll just prolong our enjoyment of lower decks. So that's

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pretty cool. But we got some great stuff coming up

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for you guys anyways, And as I mentioned, you can

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go to our Facebook page and over there there's all

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kinds of great stuff. Once a damn AI pulls its

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head out of its ass and gets things straightened out,

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I have a post on there asking you guys, hey,

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where you're listening from dudes, and then just drop us

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a line and tell us where you're listening to. Emojis

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will get my attention quick and then if you see

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your heart next to your name from yours truly, Uncle Jim,

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then your name is going to be featured in a

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future fan shout out. So not only does the whole

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world know that you're a Star Trek fan, but that

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you're a fan of this podcast. And at this point

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I would usually turn to Eric, but Eric is not

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with us, So in that case, Charles gets to start

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us off with our fans shout outs.

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Take it away, Charles, Oh, thank you, Jim. Listart off

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with the top contributor. Welcome from the Northwest suburbs, m Sorry, Chicago,

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Linda l. Lambert, Welcome from Charleston, West Virginia. Nancy Bennett

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to Morgan Stern. Welcome Nancy and Linda. Then from La Pumick, California.

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Welcome Sergio Diaz. Another top contributor from down below Bob

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below me in Arizona. Welcome Carolyn Hayn. Hope you're getting

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some nice weather too, even though it's a little warm

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bock here in Vegas. And from Jacksonville, North Carolina. Welcome

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evelin Deon Groves like that. Welcome Evelyn David, who's on

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your list?

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Paul.

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I would like to say helone, thank you for listening

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to Janna hoffen Hoffman. She is a top contributor and

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it from central Oregon. I guess you can share some

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of my food if you want, but uh. Next on

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the listage, thank you to Evelyn de on Afrio from Jacksonville, Jacksonville,

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North Carolina, and thank you, thank you. And next is

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thank you to Kenneth Senior Barmall from Bayton Rogue, Louisiana.

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Thank you to play Cooper from Sanpan Valley in Arizona

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giving us a little symbol of a purple cactus. Must

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be pretty hot over there to grow their things. And

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last time I list thank you to a top contributor,

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Margolin from New Jersey, USA. Hope you guys are keeping

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shape up there. And I'm going to swing the shover

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to Jim.

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Yes, thank you so much. David. I have no Paul

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and I'm definitely no Eric, so we're going to try

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to go international here, so you guys got to bear

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with me on this one. Okay. We want to say

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thank you to listening to Peter Burns, who's a top

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contributor from Derby Shire, England. Good day nights, Thank you

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so much. We also want to say thank you for

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listening to Alice Dashwood who's listening to us in France.

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We don't know where in France, but we just know

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it's from France. Thank you so much, Allice. We also

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want to say thank you to Henry win Spear who's

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listening to us in Portsmouth, England and sends us the

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flag waving probably, thank you so much for being a fan, Henry.

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And of course we have Saku Heinen from Finland excellent.

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Never been to Finland, but I hear it's nice. And last,

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but not least, we want to say thank you for

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being not only a fan but a supporter of TREUK.

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Talking to Victor Nunez, who's a top contributor from South Paulo, Brazil.

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Here we had a Star Trek aired NonStop since nineteen sixties,

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he says, thank you so much for being a fan, Victor.

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We really appreciate it and it's great to have you

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guys along. And now it's time for our Star Trek.

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Polls Poplin, Poland you know me like no Win, what

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you thought about the showmen.

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We try to share your opinions with all of our

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minions out there because they listen worldwide.

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So tell us just what you think.

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Get together, we will.

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All t Canal and robulind Ale nine.

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Okay, we're going to turn to Charles for our polls

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this time. And uh so, Charles, you want to get

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us started?

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I sure will. Let's start off with Relics, aired on

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October tenth, nineteen ninety two, the sixth episode, fourth season

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of the Next Generation. Did you like it or was it?

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Fan service? Ninety five of mark ninety five percent of

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our fans liked it, ten only five percent on its

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fan service. Now, Jim's gonna addry a pressure memory because

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I have forgotten what Relics was.

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Really. Wow, that's a shock. So Relics is the episode

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where h all right, So for those of you who

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don't remember, Relics is the episode where the USS Enterprise

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d finds the USS Jenolan crashed on a Dyson's sphere.

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They go aboard the Genolan and they find out that

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the transporter has been locked in a feedback test mode.

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Jordi turns around and cross wires it and gets whoever's

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in the pattern buffers to come out, and of course

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it's Scotty with a broken arm, and he's he's fine.

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And what was the name of the guy that didn't

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come back Chester Charles? Remember, I can't remember, but there's

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another poor lad that doesn't make it out. So Scotty

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is the only survivor of the USS Jenolan. He comes

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aboard the Enterprise and he gets into it with Jordy

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and blah blah blah blah blah. So yeah, you know,

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so nine percent of our fans liked it. Five percent

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felt that it was fan service. Well, unfortunately, I think

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I'm in with the five percent because I felt that

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it was fan service, pure and simple. I enjoyed it,

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but I just felt that it was fan service because

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you know, they were making scott he's been in the

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Pata Buffer for what one hundred years or something like that,

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eighty nine years something like that, And here's Jeordie, who's

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the engineer of the Enterprise d and here's Scotty telling

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Jordie how to engineer the ship and how long repairs

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are going to take. When Scotty is so far out

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of date, how would he even know these things? And

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I just felt that it was a lot of fan

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service for me. But I it was nice to see

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the character come back. I did you know that was nice,

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but yeah, I did feel it was a touch bit

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of fan service myself. I did though. I really did

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enjoy the scene where he goes on the high and

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he says, show me the bridge of the Enterprise, no

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bloody A, B, C or D, And he goes on

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the bridge and then there it is and the card

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comes out and they share a drink of something green

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on the bridge of the Enterprise, and I thought that

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was a touching scene where we're hard uh you know,

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got together with Scottie. I did like that. So, yeah,

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I with the fans on.

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That, Jim, I think you need to get the line correct.

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It's no bloody A, B.

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C D E.

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Yeah there was, Yeah, there was no E. But yeah,

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I felt that it was a bit of fan service.

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it was really good for the plot or like the

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Law of Trek and Everything show. I thought it was

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really well done. And I'm glad they brought Gotti back.

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and all that stuff, and that was cool. So what

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series cats to the series. Where Bones did it the

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first Kirk didn't want anybody doing it yet Bones did

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the first episode. Then we eventually got and then we

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eventually got Sky to come out. Then we ended up

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nicely the characters. It was a bit of a predictable episode.

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but doing that.

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for art, where you got people just showing up. It's like, well,

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don't just have a show. Give them a good reason

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why they're there.

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probably had planned it a long time because I would

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imagine for like, what's your real name, Duhan? I think,

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probably planning it for quite a while, So I would

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imagine they had some sort of story plot that they

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have been fan trivish, but I think it's a little

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bit of both show.

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on a voyager, that was a great plot. The way

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was the captain of the Excelsior. That whole thing worked really,

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really well. But I digress. We're getting off track and

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we're kind of deviating. So what's our next poll question?

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Charles Geret tricked the animated series episode The Magic h

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Augustus too. The Enterprise is sent on a side did

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ignition to find a creation point in the area of

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the galactic for where matter is being created. Did you

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like it or not? Seventy five percent of our band

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liked it? Twenty five percent of our bands did.

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Now. The reason why I picked this one is because

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I was reading an article about the animated series and

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this particular episode was banned because a lot of the

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Bible Belt States felt that the main character, Lucien, was

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too reminiscent of Lucifer and that the episode was promoting

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the devil and devil worship and this type of thing.

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So the episode was banned, and so I wanted to

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find out what our fans thought about the episode, and

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seventy five percent of them liked it and twenty five

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percent didn't. What about you, Charles, did you like it?

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I'm going to have to answer. See, I think I

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missed this one. I know there's been two or three

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mentions that I have not gotten around to seeing, and

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this was one of them.

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I'm gonna call it the Force. I don't know what

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else to call it. But you know, if you mastered

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the Force, then you could pretty much, you know, do

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anything you wanted to. And Spock and Kirk master the Force,

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and uh they face off against these Denzians at the

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core of the universe or wherever they were it was.

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It was a very interesting episode and I I don't

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want to say I loved it, but I liked it.

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I thought it was fun. How about you, David, did

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you get a chance to catch this one? This is

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the Deer Ones.

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tas but I'm trying to remember because I kept thinking

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that they had some sort of red flying serpent thingy,

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but it wasn't really like a full dragon dragon. It

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was more like a snake with wings from what I remember.

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the Bible believing people would say that this would reministion

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of Lucifer because exactly what describes Lucifer in the Bible.

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again from kind of but yeah to me, I I

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but yeah's men one.

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It was the second episode of Star Trek that got

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banned in some state.

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Yeah. I picked this one intentionally. Nothing I do was

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buy mistake. All right. So before we start talking about

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the episode, we always get to do some cadet training

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with Charles, so we have to play our current cadet

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training song.

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We have a bog shields and ships. We will add

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to a biological chological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture

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will adapt to resistance.

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Can them into some food instead?

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Yeah? Some food? All right. So this is the part

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of the show where Charles will share some interesting insights

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onto other episodes and how they relate to this episode

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of Lower Deck. So take it away, Charles.

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And this was a harder episode to work on, but

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I got a few things in here. Of course, with

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the mention of the crew member that was de evolving

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and evolving, of course, we kind of tie into TNG's

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Genesis season seven, episode nineteen. This is where the crew deevolved.

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I think that was part of the reminiscence of that series.

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Of course, one of the lines had the thinking Jim,

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when I saw it when the doctor sat there and mentioned,

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well I got ad oats, or when the crew started

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singing randomly again, well, I'm not sure she was around

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when that happened, but of course she's talking about strange

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New World Space Rapody season two, episode nine with the

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singing episode, and they weren't sure why they were singing,

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but they were, this was an interesting one. I picked

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up here Dinas Nime's Toe Front Part one and Paradise

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Lost Part two. Remember the creature who was representing himself

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as a razor, right, and then transformed to another creature. Well,

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this is not the first grazier right we've seen in

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that episode. In those two episodes Total Front, Paris and

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Paradise Lost. President Jerosha is a graves right, the same

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species as the one we saw disguise as a scientist

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this episode. And then I think at the end, when

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Captain Freeman went on her little holiday visit, i'd cork.

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We got to reminisce a TNG. We'll always have Harris

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Season one, episode twenty four. Say, there's a few episodes

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you can go back and kind of look at.

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Charles. I kind of I remembered when Jacks was in

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the in the holid deck well, when he was doing

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his thing, I was thinking of the comic book Day

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of Blood. Okay, but that's just me, all right. Guys,

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So we always ask you on our Facebook page what

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did you think about this week's episode? And we ask you,

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guys to give us a score of one to ten,

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or in this case, you know you liked it or

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didn't like it, and usually we have Eric doing this,

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but I'll jump in and do it tonight. So we

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asked you guys about upper decks, and I got to

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make my screen bigger because I can't read the text

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because it's too small for my old eyes. There we go. So.

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Joseph Finn, who's a top contributor, said the running gag

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with Freeman attending the crew was legit adorable and I

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got a bit misty at Stevens arranging that date. Jonathan Rosenthal,

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top contributor, says this was an outstanding episode. Every plot

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was just great, but my favorite has to be the

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Shacks story. Got to love a dude who Archie who

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a cheese piece by kicking ghosts ass Amen brother David

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Prada Molina, who's another top contributor, says, I loved it.

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The paradomical shift in the episode feels so fresh. I'm

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glad we have the episodes done. Yes, add next to

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nothing to the overall plot, but have so much health

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that it's wait, wait, wait, am I reading this wrong?

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I loved it. The paradomical shift in the episode feels

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so fresh. I'm glad we have this episode done. Yes,

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add nothing to the overall plot, but have so much

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hearth then is wonderful. Yeah, I read it right, Okay.

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I would also Oudra Wilton, who's another top contributor, said

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I'm a sucker for Carol and her husband getting a

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little romanced in We don't see that kind of long

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term marriage often in Trek, and it's just a wholesome relationship.

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Peter Christian Ritrich, who's a top contributor, also said best

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on an episode ever, I gotta agree, her trying to

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inflict pain on herself was just absolutely hilarious, and I

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wish they didn't bleep it all out because it was

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some funny hiznick going on there. Andy Stephan says it

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was nice to see both the senior staff and some

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of them in the background characters getting a look in.

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Peter Kennedy says, Another eighties DC comics fan notices that

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Shack's ghost had the same color scheme that George Perez

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used in the Teen Titans comic when the heroes fought

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thoppelgangers created by Raven and try Gone. Hmm, I know

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that that gray body, red eye look anywhere. I gotta admit.

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Pete that I'm not really big on my eighties DC comics,

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particularly Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry the Teen Titans, but if

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you say so. Laura Peterson says, I didn't mind this

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episode overall, but I did feel like Billups should have

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the Rutherford working with him on the engine room repairs

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rather than the new ensign. It seems like something about

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Rutiford could have been revealed, promoted, or developed had he

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been with the crew member featured instead of another new person.

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Jason Zelenak's top contributor says, did Harry finally get promoted?

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I think he's answering a question for next week's episode,

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but that's okay and Scratch Martin says, sorry, but I

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thought it might be the worst episode yet. And the

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original shows that parodies like TNG and Voyager, the Bridge

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Crew does everything even when it makes no sense to

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send your captain, chief medical officer, and chief engineer on

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an away mission. So Lower Decks is a whole parodies

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and subverts this trope, giving us the perspective of Lower Deckers. Instead,

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this episode subverted the subversion, so it brought us back

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to the original status quo. So it was a slightly

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sillier version of a TNG episode. Overall, our fans scored

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it an eight point nine. And now, because we don't

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have Paul and Eric with us, but through the magic

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of technology, they recorded their opinions of the episode, and

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we're going to play that for you guys right now.

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I haven't listened to this and neither has. Neither has

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Charles or David. So we're going to hear what they

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thought about this episode for the very first time. So

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here's Eric and Paul sharing their thoughts on upper decks.

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Any.

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Hey, cool, cool excellence.

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Hey hey Paul.

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Hey Eric, how are you okay?

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Man?

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It's been a day. It's been a day. Yeah, I

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hear you.

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I have a new brace on my left middle finger

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that I didn't have before this day.

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What did you do?

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I apparently separated a tendon slightly.

469
00:30:46.319 --> 00:30:50.480
From a bone in my kind of lower middle finger

470
00:30:50.640 --> 00:30:51.319
area here.

471
00:30:51.400 --> 00:30:53.680
So we have been flipping off too many people, is

472
00:30:53.720 --> 00:30:54.599
what I'm understanding.

473
00:30:54.640 --> 00:30:57.319
I think that I may have been a little aggressive

474
00:30:57.359 --> 00:31:00.000
with the flipping, but you know, these are the things

475
00:31:00.200 --> 00:31:04.359
that we must do and for efficacy right now, emphasis.

476
00:31:03.799 --> 00:31:04.440
Must be made.

477
00:31:04.680 --> 00:31:05.359
That's what I'm saying.

478
00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:08.240
Seriously, what did you do. What did you pull it up?

479
00:31:09.599 --> 00:31:11.759
I didn't. No, I wish it was work related, then

480
00:31:11.799 --> 00:31:15.240
they'd pay for it. But now I was lifting some furniture,

481
00:31:15.559 --> 00:31:18.880
and I actually did this several weeks ago, lifting a

482
00:31:19.039 --> 00:31:21.319
very heavy piece of furniture. But this is actually a

483
00:31:21.319 --> 00:31:24.839
type of injury, as I digress here, that they say

484
00:31:25.799 --> 00:31:29.880
affects rock climbers quite a bit because you have these

485
00:31:29.880 --> 00:31:32.440
things like in your fingers that are supposed to keep

486
00:31:32.440 --> 00:31:36.200
the tendons against the bone, and if you overload them,

487
00:31:36.920 --> 00:31:37.519
they can.

488
00:31:37.480 --> 00:31:38.759
Kind of pop and the.

489
00:31:39.440 --> 00:31:41.079
Separates from the bone a little bit, and then you

490
00:31:41.079 --> 00:31:43.400
got to like press that ten and up against the

491
00:31:43.400 --> 00:31:44.480
bone and let it heal up.

492
00:31:44.599 --> 00:31:46.279
So that's what this little new dad is for.

493
00:31:47.000 --> 00:31:50.119
So here's the thing, as somebody who's like older than you,

494
00:31:50.240 --> 00:31:53.440
not by a lot, but some right, we don't want

495
00:31:53.480 --> 00:31:56.880
to be moving furniture anymore, right, we don't. We don't.

496
00:31:56.920 --> 00:31:59.039
We don't. We want to be like you know that

497
00:31:59.160 --> 00:32:01.759
is when you play the I'm an old man eccentric

498
00:32:01.759 --> 00:32:02.599
card right.

499
00:32:02.480 --> 00:32:04.720
Well, and we're in our lives where we should be

500
00:32:04.720 --> 00:32:07.720
able to hire people. Yes, you move the furniture.

501
00:32:07.319 --> 00:32:09.880
Because basically it's just you have to like this is

502
00:32:09.920 --> 00:32:13.119
the number one way that an injury can be sustained.

503
00:32:13.640 --> 00:32:15.680
That or like when your spouse says, hey, let's try

504
00:32:16.039 --> 00:32:18.680
stand up battle boarding, right, which is how this finger

505
00:32:18.720 --> 00:32:21.799
got screwed up, right, Because it's like it's you know,

506
00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:24.079
it's those are the kind of things man. So it's like,

507
00:32:24.200 --> 00:32:25.880
if I ever have to move again, at some point

508
00:32:25.880 --> 00:32:28.480
in my life, I will be hiring. That's when we

509
00:32:28.519 --> 00:32:31.039
moved here. I hired people because I'm like, there's no

510
00:32:31.160 --> 00:32:33.880
I just you know your back's gonna give out. There's

511
00:32:33.920 --> 00:32:36.839
something nonsensical. So at least this is a good you know,

512
00:32:37.279 --> 00:32:39.119
at least it's your middle finger, right, doesn't get the

513
00:32:39.160 --> 00:32:39.880
wife too much.

514
00:32:40.720 --> 00:32:43.240
If there's one to not be able to bend that, you.

515
00:32:43.119 --> 00:32:44.920
Can hold up your head stake. You want to know

516
00:32:44.960 --> 00:32:47.200
what I happen to the last guy who like, give

517
00:32:47.279 --> 00:32:50.400
me his lip? He said he didn't care about wicked,

518
00:32:50.519 --> 00:32:57.160
never wanted to see it. We love you, We do,

519
00:32:57.279 --> 00:32:59.960
we do. We just it's our job to speak out.

520
00:33:01.079 --> 00:33:04.839
I did not hide quietly. That's wrong, all right, So

521
00:33:04.920 --> 00:33:07.039
we're here to talk about what are you to the

522
00:33:07.119 --> 00:33:08.319
upper decks? Upper decks.

523
00:33:08.440 --> 00:33:08.640
Yeah.

524
00:33:08.720 --> 00:33:12.039
The latest episode of what may be the last season

525
00:33:13.039 --> 00:33:14.440
of Our beloved lower decks.

526
00:33:14.519 --> 00:33:15.400
That's what they say.

527
00:33:16.000 --> 00:33:19.119
I refuse to quite believe it, but for the moment,

528
00:33:19.480 --> 00:33:22.920
you are correct. That is like we're in the throws

529
00:33:23.000 --> 00:33:24.759
here of the end of things. I think this is

530
00:33:24.799 --> 00:33:29.200
the third to last episode, if I'm correct. I think

531
00:33:29.200 --> 00:33:32.440
there's ten episodes and it's number eight, eight, nine, ten,

532
00:33:32.559 --> 00:33:32.960
something like.

533
00:33:32.920 --> 00:33:37.319
That sounds legit. I can easily verify or that whole thing.

534
00:33:37.359 --> 00:33:40.319
But it seems like it's been doing pretty good on it.

535
00:33:40.319 --> 00:33:43.240
It seems like it's been well received. It has from folks,

536
00:33:43.240 --> 00:33:45.039
So I don't think that there's like a problem that

537
00:33:45.160 --> 00:33:49.079
needs fixing other than a paramount larger.

538
00:33:50.359 --> 00:33:50.559
You know.

539
00:33:50.599 --> 00:33:52.599
I keep hoping that this is going to be a

540
00:33:53.400 --> 00:33:56.000
like a Futurama type situation where it just keeps coming

541
00:33:56.039 --> 00:33:58.319
back over and over and over again and people can't

542
00:33:58.359 --> 00:33:59.000
get enough of it.

543
00:33:59.039 --> 00:34:01.880
So you are correct, this is the third to last episode,

544
00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:07.279
or as we like to say in the as we

545
00:34:07.400 --> 00:34:11.880
like to say it, the TV Guide offices the antipenultimate.

546
00:34:11.000 --> 00:34:16.880
Anti penulty, te antipenult answer penultimate penultimate.

547
00:34:17.079 --> 00:34:20.760
Right, Yeah, so you know, and then we got so

548
00:34:20.920 --> 00:34:23.079
it means we got two more, right, and we'll see

549
00:34:23.079 --> 00:34:25.920
how we do. But so let's talk about Upper decks.

550
00:34:25.960 --> 00:34:26.159
Man.

551
00:34:27.679 --> 00:34:31.840
We start off with a pretty memorable line of dialogue

552
00:34:31.920 --> 00:34:35.679
from fan favorite to Lynn. Will someone please explain why

553
00:34:35.800 --> 00:34:37.079
we are mutilating Gords?

554
00:34:39.199 --> 00:34:42.159
I asked myself that every single Halloween, you know.

555
00:34:42.239 --> 00:34:45.039
Because it's like it's I think that's a for me.

556
00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:46.159
I like, uh.

557
00:34:47.960 --> 00:34:51.440
Uh, a show should start with a memorable line of

558
00:34:51.519 --> 00:34:54.320
dial You want to get hooked right and just be oh,

559
00:34:54.400 --> 00:34:56.519
what's going on here? This sounds interesting, right, And I

560
00:34:56.599 --> 00:34:59.239
thought that did a good job of doing that. So

561
00:34:59.480 --> 00:35:00.679
I thought that it was pretty fun.

562
00:35:00.760 --> 00:35:04.079
Yeah, yeah, no, I I love that opening line.

563
00:35:04.119 --> 00:35:07.800
And in fact, like speaking of Taanna like to me

564
00:35:08.440 --> 00:35:10.320
one of the stars of the show.

565
00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:12.440
I mean the So essentially the layout of the show

566
00:35:12.519 --> 00:35:14.840
is that you've got all of these different kind of

567
00:35:14.920 --> 00:35:15.519
A stories.

568
00:35:15.519 --> 00:35:17.519
It's not really an A, B, C, D story.

569
00:35:17.599 --> 00:35:20.039
They are all kind of equal, and they're all character

570
00:35:20.199 --> 00:35:21.760
stories that happen around.

571
00:35:21.760 --> 00:35:24.760
A single character. You got the Shacks kind of like

572
00:35:25.039 --> 00:35:27.519
war PTSD story.

573
00:35:27.880 --> 00:35:28.159
Nothing.

574
00:35:29.320 --> 00:35:34.320
Yeah, You've got the the Tana like weirdly like sado

575
00:35:34.400 --> 00:35:38.199
masochistic sort of like pain story thing going on.

576
00:35:39.679 --> 00:35:44.079
You've got the the Carol Freeman you know story going on.

577
00:35:45.079 --> 00:35:45.880
What else we have we have.

578
00:35:46.199 --> 00:35:49.840
I feel like Billups is actually really featured pretty heavily

579
00:35:49.920 --> 00:35:50.800
in this episode too.

580
00:35:51.079 --> 00:35:52.840
And we've got the whole weird thing in the in

581
00:35:52.960 --> 00:35:55.599
the cargo bay, in the shuttle bay right with the

582
00:35:56.280 --> 00:36:02.199
with the bagoon space right, and the the kind of bizarre.

583
00:36:03.280 --> 00:36:07.760
You know conflict dynamic between beta shift and delta shift right,

584
00:36:07.880 --> 00:36:11.679
and who's trying to you know, express you know, how

585
00:36:11.719 --> 00:36:16.320
to get along and command camaraderie style not so effectively, right.

586
00:36:16.719 --> 00:36:18.800
Those So, first of all, those aliens in the bay

587
00:36:18.880 --> 00:36:21.119
were really cool. I love that they're like little pill

588
00:36:21.199 --> 00:36:23.360
bugs that sort of go through the shields and then

589
00:36:23.400 --> 00:36:26.920
they roll themselves up and they cloak and they cause mayhem.

590
00:36:27.119 --> 00:36:28.840
Right, that's just like the perfect kind of.

591
00:36:30.320 --> 00:36:33.000
You know, foil for all of the people who are

592
00:36:33.039 --> 00:36:34.519
trying to just hang out in the cargo bay and

593
00:36:34.559 --> 00:36:35.079
do their job.

594
00:36:35.159 --> 00:36:37.440
And it's fun when something really big and big enough

595
00:36:37.519 --> 00:36:40.039
to kill you in theory, like a large animal is

596
00:36:40.119 --> 00:36:43.320
basically benevolent and dupacy, right, I mean, that's kind of,

597
00:36:43.480 --> 00:36:46.559
you know, inherently funny. It's like, Okay, this thing's big

598
00:36:46.679 --> 00:36:48.840
enough that it could kill me, but it's like, you know,

599
00:36:48.880 --> 00:36:51.400
I'm really just sort of like you know, taking up space.

600
00:36:51.599 --> 00:36:54.239
So I thought that was pretty funny there. So I

601
00:36:54.320 --> 00:36:56.239
think you did a great job of like you know,

602
00:36:56.880 --> 00:36:59.280
listing all these different elements. And initially I'm like, what

603
00:36:59.519 --> 00:37:01.079
in the hold of these things have to do with

604
00:37:01.159 --> 00:37:02.360
each other? And where is this going?

605
00:37:02.800 --> 00:37:02.920
Right?

606
00:37:03.119 --> 00:37:06.920
And so that's kind of where we start to Meamber wait,

607
00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:09.440
and we we kind of realized that there's a theme

608
00:37:09.599 --> 00:37:12.519
happening of like the lower deckers kind of you know,

609
00:37:13.360 --> 00:37:15.639
tooting their own horns, thinking that we really the stars,

610
00:37:15.719 --> 00:37:20.280
this thing nothing ever happens around and then you have

611
00:37:20.400 --> 00:37:22.440
these wacky you know, oh, we're going to see that

612
00:37:22.480 --> 00:37:25.079
it's really the bridge crew, right that's in charge of things.

613
00:37:25.159 --> 00:37:27.760
And they even do a wacky salute which is just

614
00:37:28.320 --> 00:37:31.079
you know, like like a like a little league baseball

615
00:37:31.159 --> 00:37:32.079
team kind of thing.

616
00:37:32.239 --> 00:37:33.039
I was like, what is that?

617
00:37:33.440 --> 00:37:33.559
Right?

618
00:37:33.679 --> 00:37:37.920
So it's like what it was like Crino Strong Strong

619
00:37:40.000 --> 00:37:43.159
like now, so it's kind of funny.

620
00:37:43.199 --> 00:37:45.199
But then you know, things.

621
00:37:46.400 --> 00:37:49.079
Evolved, right, And initially I was just like what is

622
00:37:49.280 --> 00:37:49.679
going on.

623
00:37:49.840 --> 00:37:51.199
With Shacks and who is it?

624
00:37:51.360 --> 00:37:55.239
Then you realize the shadowy, weird serpent tongue dude is him.

625
00:37:55.920 --> 00:37:57.599
It's like, is you know, do you want to get

626
00:37:57.880 --> 00:38:00.719
like that Shack story for so the Shacks.

627
00:38:00.920 --> 00:38:06.119
So here's what I'll say, Like, some of my absolute

628
00:38:06.199 --> 00:38:09.719
favorite parts of Deep Space nine are the really heavy.

629
00:38:09.559 --> 00:38:12.159
War episodes with with the Kardassians.

630
00:38:12.400 --> 00:38:14.960
Like you've got that episode with Nog the Siege of

631
00:38:15.400 --> 00:38:17.440
Ar five five A, which is the one where Nog

632
00:38:17.719 --> 00:38:20.719
loses his leg, and you know, it's really about like

633
00:38:21.639 --> 00:38:25.760
the trauma associated with war. And we've kind of toyed

634
00:38:25.840 --> 00:38:27.760
with that a little bit with Shaks, right, He's got

635
00:38:27.800 --> 00:38:31.079
his attitude that he kind of brings to the table

636
00:38:31.119 --> 00:38:34.079
about you know, really hating Kardad.

637
00:38:34.079 --> 00:38:37.159
I mean, he hates Kardassians as much as as much

638
00:38:37.159 --> 00:38:38.000
as Kira does.

639
00:38:38.280 --> 00:38:41.760
Right, well, like when we first met the first the

640
00:38:41.880 --> 00:38:45.719
real first Deep Space nine referra or not even deep

641
00:38:45.760 --> 00:38:47.840
Space nine, but no, next gen, I want to say

642
00:38:47.840 --> 00:38:51.519
the Wounded with O'Brien right where he just freaking races

643
00:38:53.719 --> 00:38:56.360
really really and then in this one they represent the

644
00:38:56.719 --> 00:38:59.920
reference for Shak's Battle of Tempasa? Is that do we

645
00:39:00.159 --> 00:39:00.760
know that battle?

646
00:39:01.079 --> 00:39:02.400
You know, I didn't have a chance to look at it.

647
00:39:03.000 --> 00:39:05.440
I'm gonna guess that it's probably been referenced somewhere.

648
00:39:05.960 --> 00:39:08.360
Nine, But really, you know, a lot of bombing, and

649
00:39:08.639 --> 00:39:11.320
you know, it very looks like a like a Vietnam

650
00:39:11.440 --> 00:39:12.199
type of firefight.

651
00:39:12.480 --> 00:39:15.280
Absolutely, and so Shacks is kind of like still dealing

652
00:39:15.360 --> 00:39:17.079
with a couple of different demons.

653
00:39:17.119 --> 00:39:19.559
And I really liked the the kind.

654
00:39:19.480 --> 00:39:21.320
Of you know, he's he makes that joke at the

655
00:39:21.400 --> 00:39:24.760
end about constantly fighting with his astral projected self or whatever.

656
00:39:24.880 --> 00:39:28.440
But but isn't that what like a lot of people.

657
00:39:28.239 --> 00:39:31.400
Who have been through traumas do, right, I think they

658
00:39:31.519 --> 00:39:35.000
like fight with their astral projected self and like almost

659
00:39:35.119 --> 00:39:38.880
literally have to do battle with their own inner demons,

660
00:39:38.920 --> 00:39:40.000
and that this is just like a.

661
00:39:40.000 --> 00:39:42.599
Perfect this is not making it tangible to convey that.

662
00:39:42.800 --> 00:39:44.000
So I thought that was a good idea.

663
00:39:44.119 --> 00:39:44.280
Yeah.

664
00:39:44.360 --> 00:39:46.480
So initially though, I'm like, what is the way? It's

665
00:39:46.519 --> 00:39:48.599
because they just jumped right into it. Oh, they totally

666
00:39:48.679 --> 00:39:50.079
jumped figured out.

667
00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:52.639
And he he kind of it's a little random, right,

668
00:39:52.719 --> 00:39:54.440
He's like sitting on the bridge or whatever, and he

669
00:39:54.559 --> 00:39:56.320
just kind of looks off in the distance and has

670
00:39:56.400 --> 00:39:59.119
like a vision or whatever. I mean, we learned later

671
00:39:59.159 --> 00:40:01.960
it's because of these alienllions that they're actually coming in

672
00:40:02.039 --> 00:40:04.440
and they're affecting like how people are thinking about things.

673
00:40:04.480 --> 00:40:05.960
And what they're seeing and that sort of stuff. But

674
00:40:06.400 --> 00:40:08.039
but it really comes out of left field at for us.

675
00:40:08.119 --> 00:40:09.960
And when you say the aliens, are you talking about

676
00:40:10.039 --> 00:40:14.679
the clickets not the bagoons. We'll get to the clickets.

677
00:40:15.840 --> 00:40:18.880
But and it's interesting because I am so used to

678
00:40:19.119 --> 00:40:24.800
in an episode if we've got Shacks and we've got Tavana,

679
00:40:26.159 --> 00:40:29.519
they're together, right, and it's this They're never together in

680
00:40:29.599 --> 00:40:35.039
this episode. You know, we're getting the look at doctor

681
00:40:35.119 --> 00:40:39.239
Tana that normally you would expect Shacks to be like,

682
00:40:39.400 --> 00:40:45.639
you know, can I help? Yeah, yeah, but which doesn't happen,

683
00:40:45.679 --> 00:40:48.800
which is strange, right, But but yeah, she's just like

684
00:40:49.079 --> 00:40:51.679
uh and again, I mean she had a great opener

685
00:40:51.719 --> 00:40:55.639
in hersing like uh, a Chief Medical Officers, fucking log,

686
00:40:58.400 --> 00:40:59.800
great intro to her.

687
00:41:00.039 --> 00:41:03.119
She's just foul mouth and just bitter. I love it.

688
00:41:03.760 --> 00:41:06.400
So, you know, I've been wanting more of the dock,

689
00:41:06.480 --> 00:41:08.280
and we got more of the doc and this look

690
00:41:08.360 --> 00:41:10.440
way more than I think we were expecting them.

691
00:41:10.880 --> 00:41:12.119
A kind of intense doc.

692
00:41:12.800 --> 00:41:16.039
You know at first, you're you, I could understand it

693
00:41:16.079 --> 00:41:17.880
if somebody was like, oh, that was a little kind

694
00:41:17.920 --> 00:41:20.559
of like off killed her for me For the doc

695
00:41:20.920 --> 00:41:21.159
to me.

696
00:41:22.079 --> 00:41:25.559
It was totally on character, and I didn't actually mind

697
00:41:25.639 --> 00:41:28.360
it one bit. And actually I think it makes the

698
00:41:28.400 --> 00:41:31.000
relationship between her and Shacks a little bit interesting too.

699
00:41:33.519 --> 00:41:36.679
Yeah, we're both on our wounds, don't wait, Yeah, exact

700
00:41:36.800 --> 00:41:40.159
kind of things. It seems like they are more you know,

701
00:41:41.000 --> 00:41:43.440
I think they would both swipe in the appropriate direction

702
00:41:43.599 --> 00:41:45.800
finding each other. They'd be like, Okay, we see that

703
00:41:45.960 --> 00:41:46.679
more common.

704
00:41:46.480 --> 00:41:47.000
Than we don't.

705
00:41:47.079 --> 00:41:49.800
Yeah, yeah, so cool. So we got all that going

706
00:41:49.840 --> 00:41:56.239
on there, and we've seen the the Delta Shifters and

707
00:41:56.360 --> 00:41:59.320
the Beta Shifters kind of arguing it out. And let's

708
00:41:59.360 --> 00:42:02.519
not forget I think it's Ensign Barnes who oh who

709
00:42:02.559 --> 00:42:05.039
goes crow Magnet or yeah, who basically turned into a

710
00:42:05.119 --> 00:42:08.559
futuristic cave man and so yeah, still plays thesophone.

711
00:42:08.679 --> 00:42:11.079
My god, Freeman talking about that, she's like, I don't know,

712
00:42:11.239 --> 00:42:15.199
she like evolved or de evolved or something like. She

713
00:42:15.360 --> 00:42:18.639
just like it was so ridiculous that even the Captain

714
00:42:18.679 --> 00:42:21.920
didn't really understand what completely happened. But what was important

715
00:42:22.079 --> 00:42:26.679
was that a pseudo Crow Magnan and Son still plays

716
00:42:26.719 --> 00:42:30.920
the suzophone and somehow demands the attention of senior staff.

717
00:42:30.760 --> 00:42:34.559
Members to come watch her like recital or something, and

718
00:42:34.719 --> 00:42:35.079
what it was.

719
00:42:35.079 --> 00:42:37.559
Really interesting with And I love Freeman, right, She's great,

720
00:42:37.760 --> 00:42:40.199
but I love her, But what was really interesting is

721
00:42:40.239 --> 00:42:45.400
how they portrayed her and whoever the lacky functionary that

722
00:42:45.480 --> 00:42:46.159
she's teamed up.

723
00:42:46.119 --> 00:42:47.800
With for this, Oh yeah, I didn't.

724
00:42:48.079 --> 00:42:50.400
He's like from Star based or something. He's not part

725
00:42:50.400 --> 00:42:52.679
of the crew. He's like like a liaison a sign,

726
00:42:52.760 --> 00:42:54.400
like an administrator.

727
00:42:54.559 --> 00:42:55.039
Because he's not.

728
00:42:55.239 --> 00:42:57.079
He didn't really get much description, right, but he was

729
00:42:57.119 --> 00:42:58.599
sort of I got the impersson he was because he

730
00:42:58.679 --> 00:43:01.440
had high ranking you know, pips pips and whatnot. So,

731
00:43:02.119 --> 00:43:05.880
but it's like I felt like somebody was riffing pretty

732
00:43:05.920 --> 00:43:13.480
hard to me, unlike the the purposeless, ham fisted way

733
00:43:13.719 --> 00:43:18.159
that the managers in corporate America like basically have nothing

734
00:43:18.280 --> 00:43:20.840
to do except pretend to be interested in the people

735
00:43:20.920 --> 00:43:22.800
that report to them, right, I mean, I feel like

736
00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:25.000
that was like that was the least heroic we've ever

737
00:43:25.079 --> 00:43:27.960
seen Freeman, right, and she's just like just going through, Oh,

738
00:43:28.079 --> 00:43:31.239
I'm going to watch you do your you know, one

739
00:43:31.320 --> 00:43:33.480
man's show and him sitting here and I wish I

740
00:43:33.519 --> 00:43:35.559
could stay for more, but I'm really not interested in

741
00:43:35.679 --> 00:43:36.079
need to leave.

742
00:43:36.159 --> 00:43:37.280
So it's just like, and she.

743
00:43:37.320 --> 00:43:38.920
Says at the beginning, you know, I've got a busy

744
00:43:39.039 --> 00:43:41.519
day ahead of me, and you look at the little

745
00:43:41.559 --> 00:43:43.840
schedule and it's all these little ridiculous things that are

746
00:43:43.840 --> 00:43:45.639
in these little windows, and they just check them off

747
00:43:45.679 --> 00:43:46.039
as they go.

748
00:43:46.519 --> 00:43:48.159
And it's nice. How at the end it's kind of

749
00:43:48.199 --> 00:43:50.679
been a little bit of you know, engineered deception so

750
00:43:50.800 --> 00:43:53.199
she can have her anniversary thing with, you know, the

751
00:43:53.280 --> 00:43:55.960
big guy. So I thought that was pretty cool, so surprising,

752
00:43:56.119 --> 00:43:59.840
but but yeah, I'm so And then all of that

753
00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:02.880
stuff and then we get to should we talk about

754
00:44:02.920 --> 00:44:03.400
the clickts?

755
00:44:03.519 --> 00:44:03.880
Let's do it.

756
00:44:04.000 --> 00:44:07.800
Let's talk about the clickts, because they're basically the threat

757
00:44:07.840 --> 00:44:09.800
that's you know, we always have the hidden threat that's

758
00:44:09.800 --> 00:44:12.920
through the Prince. It comes out there and then everything

759
00:44:13.119 --> 00:44:16.440
and and their whole thing is they've been trying to

760
00:44:17.000 --> 00:44:18.599
essentially harvest the balloon.

761
00:44:18.719 --> 00:44:19.559
Did I get that right?

762
00:44:19.960 --> 00:44:23.199
I think so, I think that And basically, and we

763
00:44:23.280 --> 00:44:24.960
want to know, they want to get them for their

764
00:44:25.119 --> 00:44:29.039
their they want their technology, for their clothing technology, and

765
00:44:29.119 --> 00:44:31.280
maybe we'll sort of chee if they're tasty when we're

766
00:44:31.320 --> 00:44:33.400
done harvesting them. So it was kind of like that, right,

767
00:44:33.599 --> 00:44:36.920
and so they're kind of the weird insectoid sort of.

768
00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:40.000
I mean, it was very like do you remember that

769
00:44:40.199 --> 00:44:45.039
episode of Voyager the Equinox, the two part episode where.

770
00:44:46.880 --> 00:44:49.079
The oh god, what was that captain's name?

771
00:44:49.119 --> 00:44:52.760
Anyway, the Voyager meets up with this other ship that's

772
00:44:52.880 --> 00:44:57.039
also in the same part of space that they're in stranded,

773
00:44:57.239 --> 00:44:59.960
and this other ship has a captain who has found

774
00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:03.519
an alien that if he slaughters these aliens, he can

775
00:45:03.599 --> 00:45:03.840
get a.

776
00:45:03.840 --> 00:45:05.760
Little boost to his engines.

777
00:45:05.840 --> 00:45:09.119
And as a result, he's sort of like blasted ahead

778
00:45:09.360 --> 00:45:13.800
several tens of light years because he has harvested.

779
00:45:14.840 --> 00:45:16.800
These aliens. So it's kind of it's kind of like that.

780
00:45:16.960 --> 00:45:18.679
That actually gave me the same sort of vibe.

781
00:45:18.719 --> 00:45:21.360
These clickets are like trying to find these or like

782
00:45:21.440 --> 00:45:22.679
trying to get these little pill bugs.

783
00:45:22.719 --> 00:45:24.400
They're cloaking technology off of them.

784
00:45:24.760 --> 00:45:27.440
The idea is basically another form of life becomes a

785
00:45:27.559 --> 00:45:30.480
resource for right, and you're going to exploit them as

786
00:45:30.559 --> 00:45:33.679
much as you want to. It was John Savage. I

787
00:45:33.760 --> 00:45:35.360
remember Captain Ransom.

788
00:45:36.599 --> 00:45:38.840
Ransom, Okay, that's why I was Ransom.

789
00:45:39.360 --> 00:45:41.760
Because I remember Titus Welliver, who went on to become

790
00:45:41.800 --> 00:45:44.559
a pretty big TV Starck. It was like his second

791
00:45:44.719 --> 00:45:46.159
right Burke or whatever.

792
00:45:46.360 --> 00:45:46.480
Right.

793
00:45:46.519 --> 00:45:48.599
I think that episode was just called The Equinox Partner.

794
00:45:48.679 --> 00:45:50.519
Yeah, but a really good episode. And it's one of

795
00:45:50.519 --> 00:45:54.239
those ones where it's like, uh, you know, ostensibly heroic

796
00:45:54.400 --> 00:45:55.800
main characters from Starfleet are.

797
00:45:55.719 --> 00:45:59.800
Like kind of you know, doing dark Ship, really doing.

798
00:45:59.400 --> 00:46:03.320
Dark Ship and basically unapologetic for it. You know. So

799
00:46:03.400 --> 00:46:05.280
it's but they felt like they had to do.

800
00:46:05.360 --> 00:46:07.119
I mean, some people feel like Jane ways that way,

801
00:46:07.199 --> 00:46:09.039
that she does what she has to do to get

802
00:46:09.079 --> 00:46:09.599
the crew.

803
00:46:09.519 --> 00:46:12.360
Home, you know, or to get somebody back where she

804
00:46:12.480 --> 00:46:14.079
feels that they belong.

805
00:46:14.639 --> 00:46:19.079
Like tu Vis was clearly like, Nope, I'm just gonna

806
00:46:19.400 --> 00:46:21.440
murder these things. I'm gonna get a little boost on

807
00:46:21.519 --> 00:46:23.360
my engines, and I'm gonna do it again.

808
00:46:23.480 --> 00:46:23.639
You know.

809
00:46:23.760 --> 00:46:26.000
And it's just like, and how is that different from having,

810
00:46:26.280 --> 00:46:29.480
you know, a chicken dinner. Yeah, you know, we were

811
00:46:29.599 --> 00:46:32.639
just elevating ourselves arbitrarily above an our form of life.

812
00:46:33.039 --> 00:46:37.800
Sentience is a question what level, yes, exactly, But we.

813
00:46:37.880 --> 00:46:39.519
Had the species that invented whaling.

814
00:46:40.119 --> 00:46:43.280
We did, so we also invented the concept of sentience.

815
00:46:43.800 --> 00:46:45.960
Who the hell knows a lot of crazy stuff. But

816
00:46:46.000 --> 00:46:47.960
that's why we keep coming back and keep liking Star

817
00:46:48.039 --> 00:46:49.920
Trek because it asks us to look at those questions.

818
00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:52.599
And so is this bad or we really fucked up? Yea,

819
00:46:52.719 --> 00:46:56.079
let's let's discuss which is what basically, you know, Star

820
00:46:56.119 --> 00:46:59.760
Trek always does to us, which is fantastic. So I

821
00:46:59.840 --> 00:47:03.800
think one thing I just have to not forget to

822
00:47:03.880 --> 00:47:10.559
say is the whole exchange with Talker that Phaser was

823
00:47:10.599 --> 00:47:16.400
sick to kill and so am I Yeah, that's nuts hilarious.

824
00:47:16.480 --> 00:47:18.840
But I love the fact that Anthonia's is the funniest

825
00:47:18.840 --> 00:47:21.880
thing in the episode, you know, with the fact that

826
00:47:22.079 --> 00:47:25.800
the way you defeat the click its was pie complimenting and.

827
00:47:26.199 --> 00:47:28.599
Over and over and over, and they told us that

828
00:47:28.679 --> 00:47:30.360
at the beginning of the episode, right, but it's.

829
00:47:30.239 --> 00:47:33.400
Just so nonsensical and silly. But somehow it's like a

830
00:47:33.480 --> 00:47:36.480
Monty Python routine. Right, Well, it's exactly.

831
00:47:36.599 --> 00:47:38.679
I mean, it's another way that this show is making

832
00:47:38.719 --> 00:47:41.280
fun of Star Trek, right because you you had the

833
00:47:41.360 --> 00:47:44.239
teaser at the beginning, which was obvious, and then at

834
00:47:44.280 --> 00:47:46.760
the end they take the obvious teaser and that's obviously

835
00:47:46.880 --> 00:47:47.880
the thing you have to do to make.

836
00:47:47.760 --> 00:47:48.199
It all work.

837
00:47:48.320 --> 00:47:51.199
Yeah, plant the seed and led to Germany for three

838
00:47:51.280 --> 00:47:53.719
acts and then you harvest it in the in the

839
00:47:53.800 --> 00:47:58.440
phenomen totally so yeah, pretty funny. And then eventually you

840
00:47:58.559 --> 00:48:02.840
sort of realize, okay, both you know, the lower deckers

841
00:48:02.880 --> 00:48:05.760
and upper deckers have their thing. Of course, the lower

842
00:48:05.840 --> 00:48:07.800
deckers want to end their day by going to the bar,

843
00:48:08.079 --> 00:48:11.159
which is appropriate, and so we had a lot less

844
00:48:11.199 --> 00:48:14.679
of Mariner and Boemler this week and more about the

845
00:48:14.920 --> 00:48:16.960
upper deckersthing like that. But I still think it was

846
00:48:17.000 --> 00:48:21.159
generally pretty entertaining. What's your score going to be? Is

847
00:48:21.239 --> 00:48:24.159
my question? Given all this, I mean, I don't know

848
00:48:24.239 --> 00:48:26.360
that I was like, laugh out loud funny a lot.

849
00:48:27.360 --> 00:48:29.480
No, there were a couple of moments when I was definitely.

850
00:48:29.679 --> 00:48:33.320
I think where this episode really shines is in the

851
00:48:34.760 --> 00:48:37.639
you know, the little the little character moments that we

852
00:48:37.760 --> 00:48:41.039
get and kind of like the the mini development of

853
00:48:41.079 --> 00:48:43.159
each one of these characters, Like we kind of they

854
00:48:43.199 --> 00:48:44.480
haven't really told us anything.

855
00:48:44.239 --> 00:48:48.239
New about these characters, but they've really taken us into.

856
00:48:48.119 --> 00:48:50.880
Their world a little bit deeper, which which I did like.

857
00:48:51.000 --> 00:48:53.880
So last week's episode was my favorite, and I think

858
00:48:53.920 --> 00:48:54.360
I gave.

859
00:48:54.239 --> 00:48:56.320
It like a nine or yeah, me too. It was great.

860
00:48:56.480 --> 00:48:57.079
It was so good.

861
00:48:57.599 --> 00:49:02.400
This one, I think is right is like a quality episode.

862
00:49:02.679 --> 00:49:04.559
Will I watch it over and over and over again?

863
00:49:04.719 --> 00:49:07.679
I'm not entirely sure, So I feel pretty comfortable given

864
00:49:07.719 --> 00:49:09.719
this one solid eight.

865
00:49:11.719 --> 00:49:15.440
Eight to Okay, I think I'm right in there. I'm

866
00:49:15.440 --> 00:49:17.880
probably more on like a seven, and I think I

867
00:49:17.920 --> 00:49:19.800
would be more inclined to get I think it's just

868
00:49:19.920 --> 00:49:21.679
it's a seven because it's all. I've got a good

869
00:49:21.760 --> 00:49:24.119
ideas in it. But to me, it's just where it's

870
00:49:24.159 --> 00:49:27.199
lower decks. I just didn't find in that funny yah.

871
00:49:27.360 --> 00:49:30.719
You know, which is a subjective thing, right, But what

872
00:49:30.840 --> 00:49:32.960
if I remind you that At the very very end,

873
00:49:33.079 --> 00:49:35.559
the last line that we hear is to Lynn saying,

874
00:49:35.719 --> 00:49:37.360
I have made a joke at your expense.

875
00:49:39.199 --> 00:49:42.079
Damn you bring to ly in my favorite character out.

876
00:49:42.199 --> 00:49:42.960
Does that add a half?

877
00:49:43.480 --> 00:49:43.800
I don't know.

878
00:49:43.880 --> 00:49:45.679
I can't do a half. I can't do a half

879
00:49:45.679 --> 00:49:47.159
because I feel, well, you know what, here's.

880
00:49:47.000 --> 00:49:48.119
The thing she says boom.

881
00:49:48.400 --> 00:49:51.440
Yeah, she does say boom. All right, So I like

882
00:49:51.519 --> 00:49:56.000
your negotiating tactics and your persuasiveness, and because it's the

883
00:49:56.039 --> 00:49:58.920
holiday season, I feel the right thing to do is

884
00:49:59.000 --> 00:50:01.159
to is to take my reticence and bump it up

885
00:50:01.159 --> 00:50:03.840
to an eight. So you know, I think that's appropriate, right,

886
00:50:04.039 --> 00:50:06.519
just so, because you know, I don't want to be

887
00:50:06.599 --> 00:50:08.440
the old man that's yelling at clouds.

888
00:50:08.519 --> 00:50:09.400
I really don't think that.

889
00:50:10.960 --> 00:50:16.400
Let's keep bucking my sunshine. Damn you, it's just not good, right,

890
00:50:16.519 --> 00:50:20.679
So I think that causes way more problems with myself

891
00:50:20.760 --> 00:50:24.199
image than it solves. So let's let's both say eight.

892
00:50:24.400 --> 00:50:26.119
There you have it weeks. I mean, that's an eight,

893
00:50:26.800 --> 00:50:29.760
and just let's just transition to next week's penultimate episode.

894
00:50:30.320 --> 00:50:32.079
And who knows what that'll be like, because I don't

895
00:50:32.079 --> 00:50:33.079
think you to watch it.

896
00:50:33.280 --> 00:50:35.079
We have not yet watched it, but I'm sure it's

897
00:50:35.119 --> 00:50:36.159
going to be good.

898
00:50:36.400 --> 00:50:38.960
I think we're all kind of riding this lower decks wave,

899
00:50:39.840 --> 00:50:41.360
you know, as hard as we can.

900
00:50:41.840 --> 00:50:42.719
I think we're gonna miss it.

901
00:50:42.840 --> 00:50:43.000
I know.

902
00:50:43.159 --> 00:50:45.719
I plan to go back to the beating and sort

903
00:50:45.719 --> 00:50:47.400
of start over when it's all over with Ben.

904
00:50:47.960 --> 00:50:50.760
Oh, I just realized something we didn't talk about. What's

905
00:50:50.800 --> 00:50:51.920
that we feel bad about?

906
00:50:51.960 --> 00:50:52.000
It?

907
00:50:52.760 --> 00:50:52.960
Well?

908
00:50:53.320 --> 00:50:55.320
In Engineering we had a new character.

909
00:50:56.400 --> 00:50:57.960
Oh yeah, the person helping billups out.

910
00:50:58.079 --> 00:51:04.239
Yeah, I think her name might be Meredith. Sounds right, Yeah,

911
00:51:04.440 --> 00:51:06.679
I am not positive. I feeling when I have to

912
00:51:07.079 --> 00:51:09.960
look this up, maybe someone can well helping.

913
00:51:10.239 --> 00:51:12.880
So so she did you know she was helping Billips

914
00:51:12.920 --> 00:51:14.639
all over the place when they had all the sort

915
00:51:14.679 --> 00:51:16.000
of plasma or whatever.

916
00:51:16.280 --> 00:51:19.159
Yeah, what was this episode was called again Upper Decks.

917
00:51:21.519 --> 00:51:24.159
I need more sleep on a regular basis.

918
00:51:24.840 --> 00:51:27.159
It's been more than six minutes. So Paul started to

919
00:51:27.320 --> 00:51:27.719
forget her.

920
00:51:28.039 --> 00:51:33.239
Yeah exactly. I'm like Dori, I'm hoping I'm spelling billups right.

921
00:51:33.960 --> 00:51:36.199
It's b I double l e ups.

922
00:51:36.320 --> 00:51:36.760
I believe.

923
00:51:37.119 --> 00:51:38.840
Yeah, well, at any rate.

924
00:51:38.920 --> 00:51:41.880
She Yeah, I thought that was a really good character.

925
00:51:42.000 --> 00:51:42.480
I thought she was.

926
00:51:42.599 --> 00:51:43.360
I didn't think that.

927
00:51:44.599 --> 00:51:48.119
I didn't think I knew. I don't think I recognized

928
00:51:48.159 --> 00:51:53.280
having seen her before. I don't know that they identified

929
00:51:53.880 --> 00:51:55.639
what her name was. If they did, I feel I

930
00:51:55.719 --> 00:51:58.679
missed it. But I thought she was a really good character,

931
00:51:58.800 --> 00:52:00.760
and I thought the voice acted did a great job.

932
00:52:00.840 --> 00:52:02.840
And I wish I knew who it was. I'm just

933
00:52:03.000 --> 00:52:07.719
like kind of glancing over IMDb hastily trying to see

934
00:52:07.719 --> 00:52:12.360
who might be this person, and it might be do

935
00:52:12.480 --> 00:52:15.079
we have a Meredith. I don't know the character.

936
00:52:15.119 --> 00:52:16.760
I don't remember another man it might have that might

937
00:52:16.800 --> 00:52:17.360
have been so.

938
00:52:17.400 --> 00:52:22.280
It might be the Charlotte Nick Dowe. I don't know, well,

939
00:52:22.559 --> 00:52:24.519
but I'm thinking that's probably the character.

940
00:52:24.920 --> 00:52:30.880
A good character, and somebody who seemed as dedicated, but

941
00:52:31.039 --> 00:52:33.400
like in a more junior role as Phillips, right like

942
00:52:33.559 --> 00:52:37.159
she when poop started going down, she He's like, come on,

943
00:52:37.360 --> 00:52:39.840
let's do the thing, and she was like, even if

944
00:52:39.880 --> 00:52:40.239
we die.

945
00:52:40.599 --> 00:52:43.800
Yeah, it's Meredith. That's a character. Yeah, And I think

946
00:52:43.840 --> 00:52:46.800
she's an ensign, right, ensign Meredith. And so we are

947
00:52:46.880 --> 00:52:51.079
talking about actors named Charlotte, and I hope I'm pronouncing

948
00:52:51.119 --> 00:52:53.760
this right. Nick Now, I believe, But I just thought

949
00:52:53.800 --> 00:52:57.119
her voice work was great and really interesting, uh you know,

950
00:52:57.760 --> 00:53:01.199
vibe to it, and I was rooting for her and

951
00:53:01.320 --> 00:53:03.679
I was like, okay, cool new character. So I didn't

952
00:53:03.679 --> 00:53:05.400
want to forget to throw that in there. So I

953
00:53:05.480 --> 00:53:08.280
thought all the more reason to stick with an there

954
00:53:08.360 --> 00:53:10.320
you go, because it was extra good things. See, there

955
00:53:10.360 --> 00:53:10.599
were so.

956
00:53:10.679 --> 00:53:12.639
Many reasons to take it from A seven, and I'm

957
00:53:12.719 --> 00:53:13.400
glad that we kept on.

958
00:53:13.599 --> 00:53:16.480
I know, you know, this could be maybe how politics

959
00:53:16.480 --> 00:53:16.920
should work.

960
00:53:17.000 --> 00:53:17.119
Right.

961
00:53:17.199 --> 00:53:20.239
It's basically it's like negotiated. You know, you think you're

962
00:53:20.280 --> 00:53:22.039
ready to go ahead and do a thing, but then

963
00:53:22.079 --> 00:53:24.320
he's got changed boards. You know, we should really be

964
00:53:24.440 --> 00:53:25.119
more open minded.

965
00:53:25.280 --> 00:53:25.840
Son.

966
00:53:26.320 --> 00:53:28.239
Well, I think this was good and so we've ye.

967
00:53:28.880 --> 00:53:32.480
Despite our incredibly hectic and overscheduled weeks, we're still at

968
00:53:32.519 --> 00:53:35.599
the contribute. We are still the greater good yep.

969
00:53:35.679 --> 00:53:39.400
Absolutely so we miss you Trek Talking, and I imagine

970
00:53:39.679 --> 00:53:41.480
we'll probably see you next week.

971
00:53:41.559 --> 00:53:41.760
Great.

972
00:53:42.360 --> 00:53:45.000
I think so that is after the holiday.

973
00:53:45.039 --> 00:53:46.800
It is, it's like the day after Christmas.

974
00:53:46.800 --> 00:53:49.639
I assume there is there an episode on as we

975
00:53:49.800 --> 00:53:52.159
say where I'm from Boxing Day.

976
00:53:52.519 --> 00:53:53.679
I believe that there is.

977
00:53:53.760 --> 00:53:56.320
There is a Boxing Day edition, and we should be

978
00:53:56.679 --> 00:53:59.039
we should be marketing it as the Boxing Day edition

979
00:53:59.159 --> 00:54:02.880
of Trek Talking. Have you unboxed this week's episode? I mean,

980
00:54:03.480 --> 00:54:06.519
take your package back and watch some lower bits. Yeah, exactly.

981
00:54:06.719 --> 00:54:09.719
So you know we're running out of stuff to talk

982
00:54:09.760 --> 00:54:12.840
about here and then and then pretty soon I think

983
00:54:12.920 --> 00:54:17.039
the I think the most cantankerous, craziest upcoming episode has

984
00:54:17.079 --> 00:54:19.760
got to be when we review section thirty one, because

985
00:54:19.760 --> 00:54:20.960
someone's head's going to explode.

986
00:54:20.960 --> 00:54:24.280
It just know that is absolutely and I am there

987
00:54:24.360 --> 00:54:29.360
for its going to happen, yes, because it's like, you know,

988
00:54:29.440 --> 00:54:32.320
you got your preconception before you've seen it, yeah, right,

989
00:54:32.440 --> 00:54:33.719
and I'm the same way right.

990
00:54:33.960 --> 00:54:36.679
And then then but after you've seen it, does your

991
00:54:36.679 --> 00:54:37.960
preconception stay the way?

992
00:54:38.840 --> 00:54:38.960
You know?

993
00:54:39.400 --> 00:54:42.639
Can you say, wow, I'm ready to be wid Yeah,

994
00:54:42.679 --> 00:54:44.599
it's like how I am. It's tomorrow morning at like

995
00:54:44.840 --> 00:54:50.519
six am Pacific. Okay, they're dropping the trailer for James

996
00:54:50.599 --> 00:54:54.480
Gunn Superman movie, right, and I have major preconceptions for that.

997
00:54:54.679 --> 00:54:56.800
I'm super excited for that because I'm a big James

998
00:54:56.880 --> 00:54:59.719
gun fan, big Superman fan. I want it to be good.

999
00:55:00.440 --> 00:55:01.119
But what if it's not.

1000
00:55:01.760 --> 00:55:04.480
I'm like a little nervous. I really am looking forward

1001
00:55:04.519 --> 00:55:05.800
to it because that's going to be for me, like

1002
00:55:05.960 --> 00:55:07.480
I got to see it. I'm you know, I know,

1003
00:55:07.559 --> 00:55:11.079
miss Superman. So yeah, crazy. Thank you for doing this

1004
00:55:11.280 --> 00:55:13.840
all right? This was fun. Yeah, we enjoyed it and

1005
00:55:14.079 --> 00:55:17.719
we'll be back soon. Trek talking choo.

1006
00:55:19.199 --> 00:55:22.400
All right, guys, Eric and Paul, we're kind enough to

1007
00:55:22.480 --> 00:55:25.119
record that for us, and they both scored the episode

1008
00:55:25.159 --> 00:55:29.880
of eight, although I think maybe maybe Paul could have

1009
00:55:29.960 --> 00:55:33.480
gone with a seven point five or a seven point eight.

1010
00:55:33.519 --> 00:55:34.400
What do you think, David?

1011
00:55:35.199 --> 00:55:38.360
Yeah, yeah, it's the holidays, man, you gotta.

1012
00:55:38.119 --> 00:55:40.440
Do it, that's right, it is the holidays. And to

1013
00:55:40.519 --> 00:55:43.159
answer your question, I addressed it at the top of

1014
00:55:43.199 --> 00:55:47.440
the show. There won't be a show next Thursday because

1015
00:55:47.599 --> 00:55:51.679
I'm not going to be here. My father just passed away,

1016
00:55:52.400 --> 00:55:55.800
and so our holidays have been moved and shifted around.

1017
00:55:56.400 --> 00:55:58.639
So I'm not going to be here for the holiday

1018
00:55:58.880 --> 00:56:03.159
for Christmas. I'm going to be traveling back home from

1019
00:56:03.239 --> 00:56:06.880
Massachusetts the day after Christmas, so I won't be back

1020
00:56:07.760 --> 00:56:09.679
here in time to do a show. So there won't

1021
00:56:09.760 --> 00:56:13.360
be a show next week. So the episode, which what's

1022
00:56:13.400 --> 00:56:16.440
the title of the episode that was on O.

1023
00:56:18.119 --> 00:56:18.840
I have it right here.

1024
00:56:18.880 --> 00:56:23.000
It's actually called Fiszer Quest Fissier Quest. We will talk

1025
00:56:23.079 --> 00:56:27.760
about that the following week, so just mark your calendars

1026
00:56:28.679 --> 00:56:32.519
about that. So, David, what did you think? Are you?

1027
00:56:32.679 --> 00:56:34.239
Are you right there with Eric and Paul?

1028
00:56:34.920 --> 00:56:37.360
Yeah, pretty much. This was a pretty good episode. I

1029
00:56:37.480 --> 00:56:39.960
really liked Anna. I think this was probably the best

1030
00:56:40.000 --> 00:56:44.480
episode that I was just I had to watch that

1031
00:56:44.559 --> 00:56:46.559
whole thing. I was like, what is she saying? Because

1032
00:56:46.599 --> 00:56:50.320
I watch movies on subtitle because of my hearing and everything,

1033
00:56:50.480 --> 00:56:55.039
but the subtitles sometimes go by really super quick, especially

1034
00:56:55.079 --> 00:56:58.280
when it's like a fast scene and other people are speaking,

1035
00:56:58.800 --> 00:57:00.760
and so I had to wind and I was like,

1036
00:57:02.280 --> 00:57:05.039
because she's said the alien the click it said that

1037
00:57:05.679 --> 00:57:08.119
it was set to kill, and so she said, so

1038
00:57:08.480 --> 00:57:13.559
I oh man, this was probably one of my favorite episodes,

1039
00:57:13.559 --> 00:57:16.800
at least top five for sure. But yeah, this uh

1040
00:57:18.679 --> 00:57:22.320
and uh. To answer the question about next episode, I

1041
00:57:22.400 --> 00:57:25.599
did watch it unfortunately, which is also really funny, just

1042
00:57:25.880 --> 00:57:28.880
you know, spoilers of course. But going back to the

1043
00:57:29.000 --> 00:57:33.840
upper decks though, this one was, uh, yeah, there's a

1044
00:57:33.920 --> 00:57:39.599
lot going on, and I like the concept of yes,

1045
00:57:39.880 --> 00:57:43.840
she's called lower decks, but what does the upper deck

1046
00:57:44.519 --> 00:57:48.159
crew do while the lower decks you know, do their thing.

1047
00:57:48.280 --> 00:57:51.079
And so of course we seen all that throughout all

1048
00:57:51.159 --> 00:57:53.960
pretty much all of Star Trek. But this is why

1049
00:57:54.000 --> 00:57:56.360
I like the lower decks, because it's just something different,

1050
00:57:57.199 --> 00:57:59.639
you know, it's so it can be trophy here now.

1051
00:57:59.760 --> 00:58:04.280
But yeah, this this one particular, I enjoyed a lot.

1052
00:58:04.440 --> 00:58:07.239
And yeah, sure we didn't get to see Mariner or

1053
00:58:07.559 --> 00:58:11.239
Boimla or all the lower deck crew. But of course

1054
00:58:11.559 --> 00:58:13.880
the towel guy I don't think he was in this episode,

1055
00:58:14.039 --> 00:58:14.199
was he?

1056
00:58:14.679 --> 00:58:15.719
No? I didn't see him.

1057
00:58:16.199 --> 00:58:19.440
Yeah, so you know, they they'll all be missed. But

1058
00:58:19.559 --> 00:58:22.320
I mean, it's just thirty minute episode. It will be fine.

1059
00:58:24.119 --> 00:58:33.679
I did, however, enjoy the the whole Kardashian law with shacks. Yeah,

1060
00:58:34.519 --> 00:58:36.519
I thought that was kind of interesting. Of course, he's

1061
00:58:36.519 --> 00:58:39.039
a bajow and you know, they stuck with the whole

1062
00:58:41.559 --> 00:58:45.880
profits and everything, which was really kudos on low Deck

1063
00:58:45.960 --> 00:58:48.199
for that. I'm glad that they're sticking with a lot

1064
00:58:48.239 --> 00:58:54.199
of the different laws of trek and everything, so because

1065
00:58:54.320 --> 00:58:56.719
they could have easily just gone off and done something different,

1066
00:58:56.760 --> 00:59:01.599
which I'm glad they didn't. But other than that, yeah, this, uh,

1067
00:59:01.800 --> 00:59:05.239
this particular episode. Oh, and answer the question that Eric

1068
00:59:05.360 --> 00:59:08.000
Paul had a new character. Yes, I had just looked

1069
00:59:08.000 --> 00:59:12.320
it up and it was Meredith. So she's the new

1070
00:59:12.559 --> 00:59:15.679
apparent Upper Decks now, I guess. I mean, yes, she's

1071
00:59:15.679 --> 00:59:17.760
an ancient, but is she still part of Lower Decks?

1072
00:59:17.800 --> 00:59:22.199
I guess I don't know. But yeah, as you can

1073
00:59:22.280 --> 00:59:25.360
see on here this the slide show, it's starting to

1074
00:59:25.440 --> 00:59:29.239
come up to my favorite party. But other than that, uh, yeah,

1075
00:59:29.480 --> 00:59:32.079
this episode, I'm actually gonna give this one. I was

1076
00:59:32.199 --> 00:59:35.639
gonna give it an eight point five, but I'm gonna

1077
00:59:35.639 --> 00:59:37.320
go with a nine point one.

1078
00:59:38.599 --> 00:59:43.079
And Paul would be so proud of you. Come on,

1079
00:59:44.000 --> 00:59:44.599
be proud.

1080
00:59:46.719 --> 00:59:51.280
I do have a point, so you know, yeah, but yeah,

1081
00:59:51.320 --> 00:59:52.199
that's that's good for me.

1082
00:59:53.000 --> 00:59:55.559
Well, you know, I gotta say that. So one of

1083
00:59:55.639 --> 00:59:57.840
the one of the fans was saying that that that

1084
00:59:58.400 --> 01:00:02.960
that you know why I wasn't. You know, why was

1085
01:00:03.480 --> 01:00:08.039
the engineer? Why was Billups working with a different engineer? Well,

1086
01:00:08.400 --> 01:00:12.639
because this engineer was an ensign and is a lower decker, right,

1087
01:00:13.360 --> 01:00:16.239
so the lower decker was working in engineering. So that's

1088
01:00:16.400 --> 01:00:19.280
that's why why we saw her. And I thought she

1089
01:00:19.400 --> 01:00:22.159
was a great character. I was trying to place her accent.

1090
01:00:22.239 --> 01:00:25.079
I couldn't. I couldn't. I watched the episode twice. I

1091
01:00:25.199 --> 01:00:29.280
was trying to figure out what kind of accent she had.

1092
01:00:29.480 --> 01:00:32.599
It was very unique, but I don't know what it was.

1093
01:00:34.480 --> 01:00:37.440
But I liked it. I really liked it. And I

1094
01:00:37.519 --> 01:00:39.800
thought it was great when Billups is inside the giant

1095
01:00:39.880 --> 01:00:42.800
tube and they're doing the Rathacon thing and like he's

1096
01:00:42.880 --> 01:00:45.239
going to die in the tube and she breaks him out.

1097
01:00:45.679 --> 01:00:49.480
You know, every engineer dreams of dying on the job,

1098
01:00:49.719 --> 01:00:53.280
you know. I thought I liked that, and I liked

1099
01:00:53.320 --> 01:00:55.840
how he had the whole ship. If you remember the

1100
01:00:55.920 --> 01:01:01.480
episode Trials and Tribulations on Deep Space nine with Basher

1101
01:01:02.119 --> 01:01:04.920
and O'Brien around the Enterprise and they pop open this

1102
01:01:05.239 --> 01:01:08.519
this panelum O'Brien's pretending to look in there, and this

1103
01:01:08.639 --> 01:01:12.199
other ensign comes up and he's like, you know this,

1104
01:01:12.400 --> 01:01:14.559
he's got everything bypassed. I don't know what's going on

1105
01:01:14.760 --> 01:01:17.599
in here. And it made me think of Scottie in

1106
01:01:17.719 --> 01:01:21.440
that episode when O'Brien says that because Billups is like,

1107
01:01:22.119 --> 01:01:24.360
I can't remember the jargon he used, I had to

1108
01:01:24.440 --> 01:01:28.320
bypass the Heisenberg compensators and tie him into the do

1109
01:01:28.519 --> 01:01:30.920
Dads so that the Witch of mccallay wouldn't do his thing.

1110
01:01:31.000 --> 01:01:34.079
And he's going off with all this techno babble, and

1111
01:01:34.599 --> 01:01:39.400
I loved it. I absolutely just loved it. And you know,

1112
01:01:39.480 --> 01:01:41.119
one of the fans said that it was it was

1113
01:01:41.280 --> 01:01:45.880
trophy that they troped the trope, and but it was

1114
01:01:45.960 --> 01:01:50.199
interesting to see the bridge crew doing what they're doing

1115
01:01:50.280 --> 01:01:52.239
while the lower decks are doing what they were doing.

1116
01:01:52.320 --> 01:01:56.559
And I thought it was great that that mariner is like, oh, well, well,

1117
01:01:56.559 --> 01:01:59.079
they can't do anything without us, and we make the

1118
01:01:59.119 --> 01:02:01.960
whole show run, and if there was an alien invasion,

1119
01:02:02.039 --> 01:02:05.440
we would have known about it, you know. And meanwhile

1120
01:02:05.559 --> 01:02:08.440
the aliens are walking down the hallway right behind him,

1121
01:02:09.079 --> 01:02:11.719
you know, and they're like, oh, I saw your father here.

1122
01:02:11.800 --> 01:02:14.440
I saw your father here, and he's just like, no,

1123
01:02:14.639 --> 01:02:16.920
I would have known if he was here. So, you know,

1124
01:02:17.039 --> 01:02:19.599
they don't know everything that goes on on the ship,

1125
01:02:19.679 --> 01:02:22.880
and everything doesn't evolve around them. So I enjoyed it.

1126
01:02:23.000 --> 01:02:26.280
I thought it was fun Like Paul said, I it

1127
01:02:26.440 --> 01:02:30.480
wasn't very funny. It wasn't your typical lower Dex episode

1128
01:02:30.480 --> 01:02:33.000
because it wasn't a lot of humor in it. I

1129
01:02:33.159 --> 01:02:35.559
did like though, I did. I did find it funny

1130
01:02:36.599 --> 01:02:39.559
that they when they were carving their their pumpkins there,

1131
01:02:40.199 --> 01:02:46.679
that they were carving Vegre, you know, and Mariner's like, oh,

1132
01:02:46.800 --> 01:02:49.400
let's go and beam up to the with Vger, you know,

1133
01:02:49.400 --> 01:02:50.800
and they were making fun of Vger.

1134
01:02:51.320 --> 01:02:51.519
Yeah.

1135
01:02:52.239 --> 01:02:55.719
You know, when I first shot that image, I thought

1136
01:02:55.760 --> 01:02:59.000
it was just Species eight seven two ship, you know,

1137
01:02:59.559 --> 01:03:00.599
it looked just like that.

1138
01:03:00.960 --> 01:03:04.360
And in the original motion picture you didn't get to

1139
01:03:04.440 --> 01:03:07.880
see Vegre. That that ship of jer wasn't added until

1140
01:03:07.880 --> 01:03:11.639
they did the director's cut, much much much later. You

1141
01:03:11.760 --> 01:03:14.960
actually get to see Vgre in the original theatrical version,

1142
01:03:15.400 --> 01:03:20.280
you never see Vger. Okay. Yeah, so that was cool.

1143
01:03:20.559 --> 01:03:24.519
And Boemler had his has a a go tea. Now

1144
01:03:24.960 --> 01:03:26.840
he doesn't have the full Riker beard, but he's got

1145
01:03:26.880 --> 01:03:29.320
the goate going on. So we'll have to see if

1146
01:03:29.360 --> 01:03:32.679
he actually develops the beard before the end of the show.

1147
01:03:33.440 --> 01:03:37.079
And the Tahna stuff, Oh my god, I was laughing.

1148
01:03:37.880 --> 01:03:41.079
That was the funniest part. You know, turn turn it

1149
01:03:41.280 --> 01:03:46.719
f and up, you know, my guts out, Oh my god.

1150
01:03:47.760 --> 01:03:50.239
And you know, I always look at Ta Hannah and

1151
01:03:50.400 --> 01:03:57.239
I see her, you know, as Pulaski. I look at

1152
01:03:57.280 --> 01:04:01.239
her as Pulaski, and I could just see Kulaski screaming

1153
01:04:01.320 --> 01:04:04.599
that same stuff, you know when he walks in and says,

1154
01:04:05.119 --> 01:04:07.599
I have the hyposprays in case everybody breaks out. And

1155
01:04:07.719 --> 01:04:10.559
saw Oh my god, I was laughing, and she's like

1156
01:04:10.760 --> 01:04:15.760
has fat and slams it on the floor. It was great.

1157
01:04:15.880 --> 01:04:18.679
It was a great on an episode. So yeah, I

1158
01:04:18.760 --> 01:04:22.800
think I'm right there with Yeah, I think I'm there

1159
01:04:22.840 --> 01:04:25.400
with Paul and with you. I think i think I'm

1160
01:04:25.440 --> 01:04:27.280
gonna go with the nine, you know what. No, In

1161
01:04:27.440 --> 01:04:30.079
honor of Paul. In honor of Paul I'm gonna go

1162
01:04:30.159 --> 01:04:34.079
with an eight point nine just for Paul in eight

1163
01:04:34.159 --> 01:04:36.679
point nine. Don't want to give it a nine, but

1164
01:04:36.760 --> 01:04:39.800
I'm gonna go with eight point nine, just just for Paul,

1165
01:04:40.000 --> 01:04:42.199
just in the spirit of Paul. And that's going to

1166
01:04:42.280 --> 01:04:44.360
bring us over to Charles. So, Charles, what do you

1167
01:04:44.440 --> 01:04:46.559
think about upper decks? Buddy?

1168
01:04:47.840 --> 01:04:50.639
Okay, well, I want to throw a little apology the

1169
01:04:50.840 --> 01:04:55.079
fans and the god chance to see the live video. Eh,

1170
01:04:56.000 --> 01:04:59.320
they just put a new update in the software, downloaded

1171
01:04:59.400 --> 01:05:02.400
it and I'm getting all kinds of frame rate errors.

1172
01:05:03.599 --> 01:05:06.039
So I turned my camera off and I seem to

1173
01:05:06.119 --> 01:05:09.800
be stable for now. So I missed a little bit

1174
01:05:09.920 --> 01:05:16.360
of Paul and Eric's speech, but this one't seem to

1175
01:05:16.400 --> 01:05:19.960
be a little bit of a filler to me at points.

1176
01:05:21.000 --> 01:05:25.159
I I'm not sure I could see a captain who

1177
01:05:25.239 --> 01:05:29.880
sit there and schedules for day, hour by hour to

1178
01:05:30.079 --> 01:05:35.079
what she's doing. And she schedules sit there a live

1179
01:05:35.280 --> 01:05:40.280
birth going on, she schedules a theatrical performance. It's like

1180
01:05:41.320 --> 01:05:42.920
I could see you putting some of this stuff on

1181
01:05:43.000 --> 01:05:47.519
your schedule. But to sit there and say, hour by hour,

1182
01:05:47.679 --> 01:05:50.920
I've got a list of what I'm doing every every moment.

1183
01:05:51.079 --> 01:05:54.480
I don't think I seen any other captain that has

1184
01:05:54.519 --> 01:06:02.880
such a detailed schedule. I do agree that Tiana was

1185
01:06:02.960 --> 01:06:11.639
a good story on that part. But the aliens, So

1186
01:06:11.719 --> 01:06:15.559
we've got this doctor who's actually an alien trying to

1187
01:06:15.599 --> 01:06:18.000
get the ships they could sit there and steal these

1188
01:06:18.159 --> 01:06:25.519
species abilities. Sounds like something we kind of done before.

1189
01:06:27.119 --> 01:06:29.239
I'm not sure maybe what episode we've done it, but

1190
01:06:29.400 --> 01:06:34.280
sounds like something that's kind of been done previously. And

1191
01:06:41.159 --> 01:06:44.519
I agree, Yeah, we got new ends and it's like, okay, yeah,

1192
01:06:44.719 --> 01:06:48.199
and we got two more episodes. We're probably not going

1193
01:06:48.280 --> 01:06:51.079
to see you again. So oh so it's a new

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01:06:51.280 --> 01:06:55.079
I guess our version of Lower Decks final season red

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01:06:55.159 --> 01:06:58.599
shirt where they put a new cast member that is

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01:06:59.000 --> 01:07:02.159
going to show up for an Apple and we'll see

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01:07:02.239 --> 01:07:10.719
them once. But I think most of this episode has

1198
01:07:10.760 --> 01:07:13.199
probably gotten a review on it. I'm going to go

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01:07:13.519 --> 01:07:18.519
with Paul and David on this one and go with

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01:07:18.639 --> 01:07:19.199
an eighth.

1201
01:07:23.199 --> 01:07:26.360
All right, an eight? So what does that? What does

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01:07:26.440 --> 01:07:30.239
that give our truck spurts in comparison with our fans

1203
01:07:30.320 --> 01:07:31.719
on our Facebook page.

1204
01:07:32.119 --> 01:07:35.760
Well, the fans gave Upper Decks an eight point nine,

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01:07:36.480 --> 01:07:38.400
the host given eight point four.

1206
01:07:39.960 --> 01:07:47.440
Wow. Wow, that's very respectable, very very respectable. Yeah, all right,

1207
01:07:48.079 --> 01:07:51.360
So that wraps up our review of Star Trek Lower Decks,

1208
01:07:51.519 --> 01:07:56.400
Upper Decks, weird lower Decks, Upper decks, And I think

1209
01:07:56.440 --> 01:07:58.800
the slide show looked pretty good. David did it a

1210
01:07:58.880 --> 01:08:01.719
good job. And now you know what time it is

1211
01:08:02.039 --> 01:08:04.760
is time for our Star Trek birthdays.

1212
01:08:23.680 --> 01:08:25.079
That was not a cling on song.

1213
01:08:26.560 --> 01:08:29.000
No, that was not a klingon song, and Wharf says

1214
01:08:29.039 --> 01:08:33.119
that every week. But we love him anyways, And this

1215
01:08:33.279 --> 01:08:35.239
is the part of the show where normally we returned

1216
01:08:35.279 --> 01:08:39.239
to Eric to do our remembrances, but Eric isn't with us,

1217
01:08:39.319 --> 01:08:41.920
so I'm going to try to fill his shoes right

1218
01:08:42.000 --> 01:08:44.960
now by sadly enough, remembering those members of our Star

1219
01:08:45.079 --> 01:08:48.960
Trek family who are no longer with us. So we're

1220
01:08:49.000 --> 01:08:53.319
going to start off by remembering a really awesome, awesome character,

1221
01:08:53.920 --> 01:08:58.760
Christopher Plumber. You guys know him as General Chang from

1222
01:08:58.800 --> 01:09:02.680
Star Trek sixty Undiscovered Country. He reprised the role of

1223
01:09:02.800 --> 01:09:06.640
Chang for the video game Star Trek Klingon Academy. In

1224
01:09:06.720 --> 01:09:11.720
her career spanning over sixty years, he earned two tony nominations.

1225
01:09:17.640 --> 01:09:24.880
Books right now, really loud, Oh, hurrying on me too.

1226
01:09:26.079 --> 01:09:28.399
He also reprised his role of Chang in the video

1227
01:09:28.439 --> 01:09:31.720
game Star Trek klingon Academy. In the career spanning over

1228
01:09:31.840 --> 01:09:35.720
sixty years, he earned two Tony Awards out of seven nominations.

1229
01:09:36.279 --> 01:09:41.199
Two This is not gonna work. I'm sorry, but you've

1230
01:09:41.279 --> 01:09:44.800
got to go over here, over there. No give me back,

1231
01:09:44.960 --> 01:09:49.000
my give me back, my dear piece. There we go,

1232
01:09:49.319 --> 01:09:51.920
and you stay right over there. Good kitty, Good kitty,

1233
01:09:51.960 --> 01:09:54.840
Where was I? Two Emmy Awards out of six nominations,

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01:09:55.079 --> 01:09:59.680
an Academy Award nomination, an Academy Award, and numerous other accolades.

1235
01:10:00.359 --> 01:10:03.560
Michael Dorn, who acted alongside Plumber in Star Trek six,

1236
01:10:04.000 --> 01:10:08.880
once described him as an incredible actor. Perhaps Plumber's most

1237
01:10:08.920 --> 01:10:12.159
famous film role is that of Captain George von Tropp

1238
01:10:12.560 --> 01:10:16.239
in the classic nineteen sixty five musical The Sound of Music,

1239
01:10:16.720 --> 01:10:20.079
directed by Robert Wise, who went on to direct Star

1240
01:10:20.199 --> 01:10:24.840
Trek Demotion Picture. He was also the father of Amanda Plumber,

1241
01:10:25.159 --> 01:10:29.039
who played Vadic in season three of Star Trek card.

1242
01:10:29.640 --> 01:10:34.399
So Coplah to Christopher Plumber, we miss you. Next on

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01:10:34.560 --> 01:10:38.800
my list, we want to remember Gail Bonnie, who died

1244
01:10:38.840 --> 01:10:40.800
at the age of eighty two. She appeared as the

1245
01:10:41.000 --> 01:10:45.239
second Witch in Star Trek the original series second season

1246
01:10:45.279 --> 01:10:49.720
episode Cats Paul Their Attempt at a Halloween episode. A

1247
01:10:49.840 --> 01:10:53.880
prolific bit actress whose career began in the very late forties,

1248
01:10:53.920 --> 01:10:57.920
with a handful of appearances throughout the fifties and sixties

1249
01:10:58.279 --> 01:11:00.840
and the first half of the seventies. She works steadily

1250
01:11:00.920 --> 01:11:05.720
in small parts with fairly genetic generic credits such as

1251
01:11:06.239 --> 01:11:09.640
a woman nurse and similar descriptions. Among her roles were

1252
01:11:09.680 --> 01:11:13.680
Miss Hudson and the mother of precocious, mischievous twin boys

1253
01:11:14.000 --> 01:11:18.920
and Desi lu sitcom I Love Lucy the Amateur Hour

1254
01:11:19.159 --> 01:11:24.079
episode So Gail Bonnie, we miss you, and we also

1255
01:11:24.319 --> 01:11:27.039
want to say how bad we missed. Maria duke bol

1256
01:11:27.640 --> 01:11:30.359
who was the actress who played Ardra and Star Trek

1257
01:11:30.399 --> 01:11:34.319
the Next Generations four season episode Devil's Do. The Boy

1258
01:11:34.520 --> 01:11:39.720
was born in David Panama portrayed Princess Koji in Mutaka's

1259
01:11:39.840 --> 01:11:43.640
adventure series Tales of the Golden Monkey. I don't recall

1260
01:11:43.760 --> 01:11:47.920
that one, starring Stephan Collins from Star Trek. The motion picture.

1261
01:11:48.279 --> 01:11:51.239
The Boy was listed in the opening credits of every episode,

1262
01:11:51.600 --> 01:11:55.199
although she only appeared in ten. She also had recurring

1263
01:11:55.279 --> 01:11:58.640
roles on Magnum Pi and made guest appearances on such

1264
01:11:58.720 --> 01:12:03.439
greats as Hardcastle, Cormick starring Brian Keith and Daniel Hugh Kelly,

1265
01:12:03.880 --> 01:12:08.720
The A Team starring Dwight Schultz, La Law starring Corbyn

1266
01:12:08.760 --> 01:12:13.640
Bernstein and Larry Drake, and Silk Stockings and Matt Locke.

1267
01:12:13.760 --> 01:12:19.039
So yeah, she's been pretty busy herself. We also want

1268
01:12:19.119 --> 01:12:23.039
to say that we remember and miss Ben Cross, who

1269
01:12:23.119 --> 01:12:25.600
died at the age of seventy two. He was an

1270
01:12:25.640 --> 01:12:29.560
English actor who played Sarah in Star Trek two thousand

1271
01:12:29.600 --> 01:12:32.479
and nine. Hailing from London and a graduate of the

1272
01:12:32.560 --> 01:12:36.600
Royal Academy of Dramatic Arts in Bloomsbury, Cross made his

1273
01:12:36.760 --> 01:12:39.880
feature film debut in the nineteen seventy seven war drama

1274
01:12:40.319 --> 01:12:44.800
A Bridge Too Far with Jeremy Kemp. While performing in

1275
01:12:44.880 --> 01:12:48.680
the stage production of Chicago, Cross was discovered and cast

1276
01:12:48.800 --> 01:12:52.600
in Chariots of Fire, co starring Star Trek, the First

1277
01:12:52.640 --> 01:12:57.479
Contacts actress Alice Creed, Nigel Haves and Deep Space nine

1278
01:12:57.520 --> 01:13:01.439
and Star Trek Enterprise guest star Dennis Christopher. The film

1279
01:13:01.560 --> 01:13:07.640
became an international hit and launched Cross into stardom. Wow,

1280
01:13:07.680 --> 01:13:13.439
we got a lot, a lot going on here. I

1281
01:13:13.479 --> 01:13:15.920
don't know what's what, but we got to do everything here.

1282
01:13:17.279 --> 01:13:20.520
We also on my list a final one. We want

1283
01:13:20.600 --> 01:13:23.319
to say how much we missed Bill Zucker, who died

1284
01:13:23.359 --> 01:13:25.840
at age eighty one. He was a New York born

1285
01:13:26.000 --> 01:13:29.640
actor who played Johnny b Hand, the Sheriff the Star

1286
01:13:29.760 --> 01:13:33.600
Trek the original series third season episode Specter of the Gune.

1287
01:13:34.199 --> 01:13:37.840
Zucker's career extended nearly half a century. Besides his stint

1288
01:13:37.920 --> 01:13:40.720
on Star Trek, he also made guest appearances in such

1289
01:13:40.840 --> 01:13:46.680
classic television series as The Honeymooners, Gun Smoke, My Favorite

1290
01:13:46.800 --> 01:13:53.199
Martiam starring Way Walston, Family Affair starring Brian Keith, Bewitched,

1291
01:13:53.399 --> 01:13:58.119
Barnaby Jones with Lee Merriweather, and Mad with Adrian Barbo,

1292
01:13:58.800 --> 01:14:03.119
Mary tim Moore, and Quincy Emmy with Robert Itto and

1293
01:14:03.319 --> 01:14:06.680
Gary Wahlberg. He also had a one year stint as

1294
01:14:06.920 --> 01:14:11.560
Arthur Bradwell on the Emmy Award nominated series Mister Novak

1295
01:14:11.640 --> 01:14:17.159
from nineteen sixty four to nineteen sixty five. Unfortunately, we

1296
01:14:17.319 --> 01:14:21.279
have another Star Trek actor who passed away recently. Star

1297
01:14:21.399 --> 01:14:25.520
Trek actor Jill Jacobson dies at age eighty seven after

1298
01:14:25.640 --> 01:14:29.439
a lengthy health battle. Jill Jacobson, whose career included a

1299
01:14:29.560 --> 01:14:32.600
role on Falcon Crest, has sadly died at the age

1300
01:14:32.600 --> 01:14:36.319
of seventy. The news was confirmed by actress friend Dan Harey.

1301
01:14:36.800 --> 01:14:39.680
The entertainment world is mourning the loss of Jill Jacobson,

1302
01:14:39.720 --> 01:14:42.479
who passed away at the age of seventy. The actress

1303
01:14:42.520 --> 01:14:46.159
celebrated for her roles in Star Trek, died in California

1304
01:14:46.239 --> 01:14:49.800
due to a long standing health issue. Jacobin's career spans

1305
01:14:49.880 --> 01:14:53.079
several decades, with her first on screre appearance as the

1306
01:14:53.239 --> 01:14:58.119
lead in the supernatural thriller Nursed Sherry in nineteen seventy seven.

1307
01:14:58.600 --> 01:15:03.800
She gained further recognition at the Convincing Aaron Jones and

1308
01:15:03.920 --> 01:15:07.079
the CBS soap opera Falcon Crest, joining the cast in

1309
01:15:07.199 --> 01:15:11.199
nineteen eighty five and being featured in over twenty episodes

1310
01:15:11.439 --> 01:15:15.239
until nineteen eighty seven. Her journey with Star Trek began

1311
01:15:15.359 --> 01:15:18.000
as a role of Vanessa on Star Trek the Next

1312
01:15:18.079 --> 01:15:21.800
Generation in nineteen eighty nine, followed by a portrayal of

1313
01:15:21.920 --> 01:15:25.279
cafe owner Aria in Star Trek Deep Space nine and

1314
01:15:25.399 --> 01:15:29.960
nineteen ninety six. Jacobin's extensive television career is documented on

1315
01:15:30.039 --> 01:15:35.279
her IMBD profile, including appearances and shows like The New Gidget,

1316
01:15:35.920 --> 01:15:42.600
Quantum Leap, Murphy, Brown, Ghost, Whisper, and Castle. The filmography

1317
01:15:42.720 --> 01:15:46.479
also includes notable movies such as Splash in nineteen eighty

1318
01:15:46.560 --> 01:15:50.359
four and Reality Queen in twenty twenty. She will be

1319
01:15:50.520 --> 01:15:54.720
deeply missed by numerous relatives, fans, and her beloved dogs

1320
01:15:54.840 --> 01:16:00.439
Benny and Kolaski. Hoirey expressed, So, I to tell you

1321
01:16:00.520 --> 01:16:03.119
guys a story, because you know what would Trek talk

1322
01:16:03.199 --> 01:16:08.079
and be without one of Uncle Jim's famous stories. Right. So,

1323
01:16:08.239 --> 01:16:10.520
a friend of mine got a job working for Star

1324
01:16:10.640 --> 01:16:12.520
Trek in nineteen ninety one, and my wife and I

1325
01:16:12.680 --> 01:16:18.079
flew out California. There's a burger joint out there called

1326
01:16:18.159 --> 01:16:22.439
pud Fudruckers, and Karen and I stopped there to get

1327
01:16:22.520 --> 01:16:28.199
burgers one night, and who comes walking in but Jill Jacobson.

1328
01:16:28.640 --> 01:16:31.560
And she, for those of you who don't know, she

1329
01:16:31.760 --> 01:16:36.239
is the lady that Blue Data's dice in the episode Royale.

1330
01:16:37.039 --> 01:16:39.560
And you guys remember her?

1331
01:16:41.600 --> 01:16:41.640
No?

1332
01:16:42.000 --> 01:16:47.239
Yes, yes, So Karen and I were just like blown away.

1333
01:16:47.279 --> 01:16:49.920
I'm like Karen, Karen, look, that's the lady that Blue

1334
01:16:49.960 --> 01:16:52.399
Data's dice, like, should we go over and talk to her?

1335
01:16:52.960 --> 01:16:54.960
And Karen's like, no, no, no, she's eating her burger.

1336
01:16:55.079 --> 01:16:56.479
Let her, let her be, Let her be. And I

1337
01:16:56.600 --> 01:16:59.119
just sat there and just was amazed that the lady

1338
01:16:59.159 --> 01:17:02.600
that blew Data's ice was eating there, sitting there having

1339
01:17:02.640 --> 01:17:06.960
a hamburger, like two tables down from me. I was

1340
01:17:07.079 --> 01:17:10.319
just it amazed me. So I didn't actually get to

1341
01:17:10.800 --> 01:17:13.880
go over and talk to her or express you know

1342
01:17:15.039 --> 01:17:19.119
how much I thought she expertly blue Data's dice. But

1343
01:17:19.840 --> 01:17:22.800
I did, I did, you know, admire her and marvel

1344
01:17:22.880 --> 01:17:26.319
at her from afar. So that was my big run

1345
01:17:26.439 --> 01:17:31.039
in with Jill Jacobins. So may you rest in peace,

1346
01:17:31.479 --> 01:17:35.359
Jill Jacobs, and you will be missed. And now we're

1347
01:17:35.399 --> 01:17:39.640
gonna turn this flaming birthday candle over to Charles.

1348
01:17:41.439 --> 01:17:46.079
Thank you, Jim and Hard guys ahead of time for

1349
01:17:46.119 --> 01:17:49.880
a few of these names. Good birthday to the jay

1350
01:17:51.399 --> 01:17:57.279
I'm reading Jack. They played Captain Joel Rudolph Randolph in

1351
01:17:57.399 --> 01:18:03.279
Star Trek for the Voyage Home. Happy Birthday to Melanie Smith,

1352
01:18:04.199 --> 01:18:07.039
with the third and final and most frequent actors to

1353
01:18:07.159 --> 01:18:13.720
play Torah Zaiow on Star Trek d Space nine. Happy

1354
01:18:13.800 --> 01:18:22.399
birthday to Jason man Zukas is an American a character actor, comedian, writer,

1355
01:18:22.600 --> 01:18:27.000
and podcaster who voiced Jacob Bogg in Star Trek Prodigy

1356
01:18:28.640 --> 01:18:30.640
and the last one on my list, but a big

1357
01:18:30.760 --> 01:18:35.159
one here, A very very happy birthday to Garrett Wang,

1358
01:18:36.000 --> 01:18:39.680
an actor out of Riverside, California, the most famous for

1359
01:18:39.840 --> 01:18:43.520
his role as Insign Harry Kim, a Star Trek voyager.

1360
01:18:44.920 --> 01:18:47.199
I believe we're gonna get a chance to hear Garrett

1361
01:18:47.239 --> 01:18:52.119
Wong in the next episode. Is that it David? Is

1362
01:18:52.159 --> 01:18:53.960
that the next episode we talked about him?

1363
01:18:56.000 --> 01:18:56.880
I believe so?

1364
01:18:57.119 --> 01:19:03.800
Yeah, yeah, So I guess I'm blaming Candle over David.

1365
01:19:04.520 --> 01:19:04.720
Yeah.

1366
01:19:04.720 --> 01:19:06.920
I guess I'll be taken over for Paul. Thank you,

1367
01:19:07.000 --> 01:19:11.840
Charles uh So. My first birthday on this list is

1368
01:19:12.000 --> 01:19:19.199
Billy zan zannd uh. He is a writer, producer and

1369
01:19:19.279 --> 01:19:24.640
occasional actor. He played the part of the Rand Night

1370
01:19:25.279 --> 01:19:31.079
randall Right Ancient Ancient in the Star Trek Motion Picture.

1371
01:19:32.880 --> 01:19:38.000
And next on the list is Howie sa Goo uh.

1372
01:19:38.479 --> 01:19:42.159
He is an actor, director, and producer who played River

1373
01:19:42.479 --> 01:19:46.239
in The Star Trek The Next Generation second season episode

1374
01:19:46.560 --> 01:19:52.800
Loud as a whisper like his character Chicago is deaf.

1375
01:19:53.840 --> 01:19:55.279
Oh so he was actually deaf.

1376
01:19:55.159 --> 01:19:55.800
In real life.

1377
01:19:56.640 --> 01:20:00.920
I did not know that. Ye cool, And last time

1378
01:20:00.960 --> 01:20:06.319
made lest is. Ronnie Rolle Junior is an actor who

1379
01:20:06.399 --> 01:20:10.479
played the communications officer Ronald A. Brice in the Star

1380
01:20:10.600 --> 01:20:11.560
Trek Discovery.

1381
01:20:12.680 --> 01:20:17.039
Yeah all right, guys, and that wraps up our Star

1382
01:20:17.279 --> 01:20:24.079
Trek birthdays. And now it's time for some Star Trek news. Hoops.

1383
01:20:26.840 --> 01:20:30.439
Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on secure channel.

1384
01:20:31.399 --> 01:20:36.960
Incoming transmission enter authorization code, Command codes verified.

1385
01:20:37.960 --> 01:20:41.119
Define parameters of program level nine.

1386
01:20:41.279 --> 01:20:44.079
Authorization required, specifying parameters.

1387
01:20:45.520 --> 01:20:47.199
Transfer updata is complete.

1388
01:20:47.960 --> 01:20:50.680
Alert Alert.

1389
01:20:51.520 --> 01:20:55.319
All right, guys, we've got some breaking news to fill

1390
01:20:55.359 --> 01:20:59.560
you in on Star Trek. Starfleet Academy continues to build

1391
01:20:59.640 --> 01:21:04.079
excite for the new series. The cast already includes Hollywood

1392
01:21:04.079 --> 01:21:10.239
familiars like Holly Hunter, Paul Giamatti, Tatina Melizi, and Tig Nataro.

1393
01:21:10.760 --> 01:21:15.479
It also features Robert Picardo reprising his doctor character from

1394
01:21:15.520 --> 01:21:20.760
Star Trek Voyager. Now it's added the WWE Superstar. In

1395
01:21:20.840 --> 01:21:25.840
a video shared to x, Becky Lynch announced quote, you know,

1396
01:21:25.920 --> 01:21:28.399
when you're already been a champion of the world, there's

1397
01:21:28.520 --> 01:21:31.319
only one place to go next, and that's to the Stars.

1398
01:21:31.760 --> 01:21:33.840
I'm so excited to share with all of you that

1399
01:21:33.920 --> 01:21:37.640
I'm joining Star Trek Starfleet Academy as part of the

1400
01:21:37.800 --> 01:21:41.800
Bridge crew. This has been the most amazing experience acting

1401
01:21:41.840 --> 01:21:46.199
alongside such a spectacular cast and crew. I can't wait

1402
01:21:46.319 --> 01:21:48.520
for all of you to check it out when it

1403
01:21:48.600 --> 01:21:52.920
comes out on air Mount Plus end quote. The Irish

1404
01:21:52.960 --> 01:21:56.119
born Lynch his real name Rebecca Quinn, is a five

1405
01:21:56.279 --> 01:21:59.920
time WWE Woman's World Champion. She has also one of

1406
01:22:00.159 --> 01:22:05.159
only five women in WWE history the headline WrestleMania, the

1407
01:22:05.279 --> 01:22:09.039
industry's biggest annual show. Lynce is one of the company's

1408
01:22:09.119 --> 01:22:13.279
most popular stars. In recent years, Lynch has tested her

1409
01:22:13.399 --> 01:22:17.159
charisma and went in various TV and film projects. She

1410
01:22:17.319 --> 01:22:22.279
has guest appearances on Billions and Young's Rock, and she

1411
01:22:22.439 --> 01:22:26.760
also voiced the character of Ax Hammer in Rumble. Star

1412
01:22:26.840 --> 01:22:30.239
Trek Starfleet Academy will be her biggest role yet. It

1413
01:22:30.319 --> 01:22:33.760
has probably explains why she has been on iatis from

1414
01:22:33.920 --> 01:22:38.640
WWE for almost a year now. I have to admit

1415
01:22:38.720 --> 01:22:42.199
to you guys that I have no clue who this

1416
01:22:42.359 --> 01:22:47.680
woman is. I've never watched WWE. I know nothing about

1417
01:22:47.760 --> 01:22:50.479
this at all. You know, it sounds like she's a

1418
01:22:50.560 --> 01:22:55.279
big deal, but I don't know. And Starfleet Academy was

1419
01:22:55.439 --> 01:22:58.399
also picked up for a second season, so I don't

1420
01:22:58.439 --> 01:23:02.119
know if she's in the first season or the second season.

1421
01:23:02.439 --> 01:23:06.840
Does anybody, Charles David, do you know anything about her? Not?

1422
01:23:07.840 --> 01:23:10.720
No, no, even less than Jim does.

1423
01:23:11.800 --> 01:23:16.680
Wow. Okay, I don't like all right, well on that.

1424
01:23:17.439 --> 01:23:21.720
On that note, we are gonna move right along and

1425
01:23:21.880 --> 01:23:24.319
I'm going to turn the news over to Charles. Take

1426
01:23:24.359 --> 01:23:27.079
it away, Charles, Okay, thank you.

1427
01:23:27.239 --> 01:23:35.560
Jim kay McGrew fought conclusivety can inclusivity on Star Trek

1428
01:23:35.640 --> 01:23:40.920
Voyager but got rejected. Star Trek, which is a very

1429
01:23:41.119 --> 01:23:46.520
progressive franchise, and may respect, it's always had something of

1430
01:23:46.600 --> 01:23:52.279
a fraud fraud relationship with the queeriness. Gay or lesbian

1431
01:23:52.399 --> 01:23:57.399
characters weren't always fully visible on the series, and dating

1432
01:23:57.479 --> 01:24:05.039
Compell's tend to fall into the to the heterosexual near

1433
01:24:05.159 --> 01:24:09.079
the end of his life in the early nineteen nineties,

1434
01:24:09.119 --> 01:24:13.520
Star Trek creedor gene Roddenbray once I lay mused they'd

1435
01:24:13.720 --> 01:24:18.079
liked to see it to depict two background male characters

1436
01:24:18.159 --> 01:24:21.800
holding hands in her menic way. That's hardly a great

1437
01:24:22.319 --> 01:24:29.359
spearhead for progressive ideals. There were occasionally attempts to include

1438
01:24:29.439 --> 01:24:33.159
queer stories and Star Treks throughout the nineties, but they

1439
01:24:33.199 --> 01:24:36.600
were a few and far between. The next generation. The

1440
01:24:36.720 --> 01:24:41.359
outcast was controversial even at the time, and Deep Space

1441
01:24:41.560 --> 01:24:46.760
nine Rejoined did allow Jays Jesia's Daks to have hermanic

1442
01:24:46.840 --> 01:24:50.199
relationship with a woman, but she never had any other

1443
01:24:50.279 --> 01:24:54.319
relationships with any other women after Otherwise, it wouldn't be

1444
01:24:54.399 --> 01:24:58.680
until Star Trek Discovery in twenty seventeen the franchise would

1445
01:24:58.720 --> 01:25:03.000
include an openly character as part of her regular cast.

1446
01:25:03.600 --> 01:25:07.439
Discovery certainly made it up for lost time, featuring multiple

1447
01:25:07.560 --> 01:25:12.680
queer relationships and even more queer actors. When Star Trek

1448
01:25:12.760 --> 01:25:17.199
Voyager debuted in nineteen ninety five, however, some felt that

1449
01:25:17.279 --> 01:25:20.039
it was already high time to include a gay character

1450
01:25:20.119 --> 01:25:24.560
on the show. Lead actress Kate Maulgrew, who played the

1451
01:25:24.680 --> 01:25:29.439
star Wart and commanding camp Captain Janeway, felt that Star

1452
01:25:29.560 --> 01:25:32.840
Trek could even be more progressive than it already was,

1453
01:25:33.680 --> 01:25:37.960
and she even appealed to the show's executive that a

1454
01:25:38.039 --> 01:25:40.920
gay character might be written in the show, and it

1455
01:25:41.039 --> 01:25:47.399
was quite unfortunately shot down. McGrew recalled talking to Star

1456
01:25:47.520 --> 01:25:51.960
Trek head Honchow and creating credited Voyager co creator Rick

1457
01:25:52.000 --> 01:25:56.399
Berman about the possibility of a gay representative on the

1458
01:25:56.479 --> 01:26:00.720
new series. Even before it debuted, received a lot of

1459
01:26:00.800 --> 01:26:04.159
press for hiring a woman to play the show's central

1460
01:26:04.239 --> 01:26:09.560
captain characters. Well, I saw previous Star Trek shows featuring

1461
01:26:10.159 --> 01:26:13.319
men in the captain's chair. Crent of A grew. Berman

1462
01:26:13.439 --> 01:26:17.479
felt a female captain was enough in term a positive

1463
01:26:17.560 --> 01:26:23.039
represent representation and queerness with elbowed out. A. Gru said,

1464
01:26:23.439 --> 01:26:25.680
I went a gay character on the bridge with me,

1465
01:26:26.600 --> 01:26:29.640
but they couldn't be pushed good enough to get a

1466
01:26:29.680 --> 01:26:30.399
woman in the seat.

1467
01:26:30.479 --> 01:26:30.680
You know.

1468
01:26:31.439 --> 01:26:34.680
I went to Rick Berman and said, it's a good cast,

1469
01:26:35.279 --> 01:26:38.039
it's a very good cast. We need a gay character.

1470
01:26:38.600 --> 01:26:42.359
I want this known. This is my preference and my choice.

1471
01:26:42.960 --> 01:26:44.800
But there wasn't any room, they felt.

1472
01:26:44.920 --> 01:26:45.479
At the time.

1473
01:26:45.800 --> 01:26:50.520
Things changed quickly. Floyder to its credits feature the first

1474
01:26:50.680 --> 01:26:56.439
Nation nation character of its first officer, a Latino Klingon

1475
01:26:57.119 --> 01:27:03.000
as engineer An ass had a black vulcan. It wasn't

1476
01:27:03.720 --> 01:27:09.520
hurting for diversity. Berman was, however, still weirdly reluctant to

1477
01:27:09.880 --> 01:27:13.000
feature a gay character on the show. It was nineteen

1478
01:27:13.079 --> 01:27:16.680
ninety five, it was well pass a time when such

1479
01:27:16.800 --> 01:27:22.239
things should have been acceptable to a mainstream science fiction series.

1480
01:27:23.199 --> 01:27:27.640
In retrospect, it thought that there was a queer character

1481
01:27:27.720 --> 01:27:31.399
in Voyager. After all, Jerry Ryan joined the show in

1482
01:27:31.479 --> 01:27:35.680
the four season. We played a former board named seven

1483
01:27:35.760 --> 01:27:40.560
of nine. The character was mentally popular but also seemed

1484
01:27:40.640 --> 01:27:44.079
heterosexual at the end of the season seven to nine

1485
01:27:44.800 --> 01:27:49.800
instigating the affair with Chakota. But in the twenty twenty series,

1486
01:27:49.920 --> 01:27:53.760
Turtuck for Card Silver return and began having an affair

1487
01:27:53.880 --> 01:27:57.279
with a new character named Raffi played lon Michelle Hurd.

1488
01:27:58.119 --> 01:28:02.079
It seems seven was a bicycle after all. Thanks to

1489
01:28:02.079 --> 01:28:10.760
this new Rigum McGrew god Herbriquest thanks post facto. Definitely,

1490
01:28:10.880 --> 01:28:15.680
I agree that DS nine thought about trying to do

1491
01:28:15.840 --> 01:28:19.359
some stuff, but they really didn't go very far. And

1492
01:28:19.680 --> 01:28:26.479
if you ever watch the documentary on DS nine, they

1493
01:28:26.880 --> 01:28:30.560
hardly admit that that was one area they completely failed

1494
01:28:30.640 --> 01:28:35.439
that And I'm thinking with the new documentary for Voyager,

1495
01:28:35.880 --> 01:28:38.399
they're probably going to say the same thing. That's the

1496
01:28:38.479 --> 01:28:41.079
one area that the series just never.

1497
01:28:41.039 --> 01:28:45.119
Got to that should have you know, I want to

1498
01:28:45.199 --> 01:28:49.239
do we are going to do a Star Trek Discovery

1499
01:28:49.399 --> 01:28:52.119
Legacy podcast. I want to talk about Discovery now that

1500
01:28:52.199 --> 01:28:54.880
we've had time to digest it, now that it's been

1501
01:28:54.960 --> 01:28:57.439
over for a while. I want to talk about it

1502
01:28:57.680 --> 01:29:00.960
and and bring up our memories and discuss it in

1503
01:29:01.119 --> 01:29:05.159
great detail the whole five years. But I really think

1504
01:29:05.239 --> 01:29:08.640
that part of the failure of Rick Berman and the

1505
01:29:08.720 --> 01:29:13.279
reason why so many fans just hated Discovery with a passion.

1506
01:29:13.760 --> 01:29:17.479
I've heard it called weird, queer Trek, woke track, all

1507
01:29:17.640 --> 01:29:22.800
kinds of derogatory comments, is because Rick Berman failed. He

1508
01:29:23.000 --> 01:29:28.880
failed miserably to give these give Star Trek that inclusivity,

1509
01:29:29.000 --> 01:29:32.000
so that fans didn't see gay characters. They didn't see

1510
01:29:32.479 --> 01:29:36.000
these characters represented. So when Discovery came along and represented them,

1511
01:29:36.720 --> 01:29:38.960
they weren't used to seeing it, so they immediately hated it.

1512
01:29:39.159 --> 01:29:43.920
And that's unfortunate. But I think that Rick Berman did

1513
01:29:43.960 --> 01:29:46.119
a lot more damage to Star Trek than he did

1514
01:29:46.239 --> 01:29:50.560
good by failing to give us representation. Because to me,

1515
01:29:51.159 --> 01:29:54.640
representation that's what Star Trek is all about. It's not

1516
01:29:54.760 --> 01:29:58.279
about the Borg, it's not about the starships of the Klingons,

1517
01:29:58.680 --> 01:30:03.479
all the cool technology. It's about working together. It's about acceptance.

1518
01:30:03.920 --> 01:30:06.960
It's about it's about Rudolph and his red shiny nose

1519
01:30:07.560 --> 01:30:11.399
saving Christmas. That's what it's all about. And if you

1520
01:30:11.520 --> 01:30:14.880
take that out of Star Trek, you don't have Star Trek.

1521
01:30:15.399 --> 01:30:20.159
And a lot of fans don't seem to grasp that, unfortunately,

1522
01:30:20.560 --> 01:30:24.199
and that's that's why I think they should have put more, uh,

1523
01:30:24.760 --> 01:30:27.680
you know, gay characters on Star Trek through the whole thing,

1524
01:30:28.079 --> 01:30:32.840
and that even Okay, is there a gay character on

1525
01:30:33.000 --> 01:30:37.159
Strange New Worlds? No, there's not.

1526
01:30:38.560 --> 01:30:43.640
Unfortunately, we don't know a couple of the preferences of

1527
01:30:43.720 --> 01:30:45.760
the characters all the series.

1528
01:30:46.640 --> 01:30:50.680
Right, we don't know, and that's that's the sad part.

1529
01:30:50.760 --> 01:30:56.600
We don't know. So yeah, I mean, representation is very important.

1530
01:30:57.239 --> 01:31:01.399
It's extremely important. Geen Rydenberry started it with tos by

1531
01:31:01.479 --> 01:31:04.640
having having a horror on the bridge. You know, you

1532
01:31:04.680 --> 01:31:08.119
know there's a horror every day. You know, you're looking

1533
01:31:08.159 --> 01:31:11.760
at a black woman on the bridge. That's representation. In

1534
01:31:11.840 --> 01:31:15.680
the sixties, you know, an Asian character on the bridge,

1535
01:31:15.760 --> 01:31:20.600
a Russian character on the bridge, that's representation. An interracial kiss,

1536
01:31:20.840 --> 01:31:24.279
that's representation. And people forget in the sixties what a

1537
01:31:24.319 --> 01:31:27.920
big deal that was. And so Star Trek started with that.

1538
01:31:28.920 --> 01:31:31.720
But when Rick Berman took over the reins in the

1539
01:31:31.800 --> 01:31:35.039
second season of TNG, he was more interested in making

1540
01:31:35.159 --> 01:31:38.720
money and making Star Trek mainstream. Didn't want to rock

1541
01:31:38.800 --> 01:31:42.279
the boat, didn't want to go too far and upset advertisers.

1542
01:31:42.720 --> 01:31:45.720
So they had a cookie cutter that worked, and it

1543
01:31:45.800 --> 01:31:48.720
worked on TNG, so they used it on DS nine,

1544
01:31:49.079 --> 01:31:51.760
they used it on Voyager, they used it on Enterprise,

1545
01:31:52.159 --> 01:31:55.720
And unfortunately, by using that cookie cutter design over and

1546
01:31:55.800 --> 01:31:58.840
over and over and over and over again, you create

1547
01:31:59.000 --> 01:32:02.920
generations of Star Trek fans who don't know the importance

1548
01:32:02.960 --> 01:32:07.359
of representation because they're not seeing it. And so that's

1549
01:32:07.399 --> 01:32:09.560
why I think Discovery is such a great show and

1550
01:32:09.640 --> 01:32:14.600
why I think representation is so important to Starstrek. It

1551
01:32:14.840 --> 01:32:18.079
has to be there to keep Star Trek alive. So,

1552
01:32:18.680 --> 01:32:21.720
without any further ado, Jim, go ahead.

1553
01:32:22.079 --> 01:32:23.960
While you were doing it, I was doing a quick

1554
01:32:24.079 --> 01:32:27.399
search and one of the episode was come to mind

1555
01:32:27.720 --> 01:32:31.319
was Murphy Brown, and I did a quick search on

1556
01:32:31.439 --> 01:32:37.239
that one, that episode about her. One of the characters

1557
01:32:37.319 --> 01:32:40.720
on that coming out of the Closet was nineteen ninety two,

1558
01:32:42.640 --> 01:32:47.079
four years before Discovering, four years before Voyager came out.

1559
01:32:48.680 --> 01:32:52.439
There was already an early president on that, and yet

1560
01:32:52.479 --> 01:32:54.399
Berman still refused to accept it.

1561
01:32:56.199 --> 01:32:59.560
Yeah, I mean, you know, people will mention the episode

1562
01:32:59.560 --> 01:33:02.640
of Deep Base nine Rejoined, and that's the first thing

1563
01:33:02.680 --> 01:33:05.039
they always go to. But I have to point out

1564
01:33:05.119 --> 01:33:09.680
something that the episode rejoined with that particular scene that

1565
01:33:09.720 --> 01:33:13.840
they're talking about. Dax is a trill and the trills

1566
01:33:14.000 --> 01:33:17.920
are asexual. So even though Dax is a female and

1567
01:33:18.199 --> 01:33:24.640
and she's kissing another female, they're both a sexual symbiotic beings.

1568
01:33:24.720 --> 01:33:29.359
So they're they're they're they're using a gimmick, is what

1569
01:33:29.600 --> 01:33:33.199
is what they're doing. It's not it's not true representation.

1570
01:33:33.640 --> 01:33:38.039
They're they're they're cheating, is what they're doing. But they're not.

1571
01:33:39.880 --> 01:33:46.920
In the episode back with Riiker and that a sexual

1572
01:33:47.039 --> 01:33:51.199
society that originally was supposed to be a male character,

1573
01:33:53.079 --> 01:33:55.840
and the showrunner refused and said, they're gonna make it

1574
01:33:55.880 --> 01:33:59.960
a female, make her feel female, even though the true

1575
01:34:00.079 --> 01:34:02.840
story is they wanted to actually make it a male character,

1576
01:34:03.159 --> 01:34:04.119
but they wouldn't allow it.

1577
01:34:05.239 --> 01:34:08.000
That's right. Jonathan Frakes has talked about that many times.

1578
01:34:08.039 --> 01:34:11.039
They wanted that to be a male character, and Jonathan

1579
01:34:11.079 --> 01:34:13.720
Frakes felt that the episode would have been more impactful

1580
01:34:14.159 --> 01:34:16.600
had it been a male character, but they wouldn't do

1581
01:34:16.680 --> 01:34:19.439
it because they didn't want Riker to be seen in

1582
01:34:19.520 --> 01:34:21.920
a relationship with a man, so they wouldn't do it.

1583
01:34:22.439 --> 01:34:26.079
So Star Trek wasn't always, you know, at the cutting edge,

1584
01:34:26.439 --> 01:34:29.039
but the producers weren't always on the cutting edge like

1585
01:34:29.960 --> 01:34:34.720
Star Trek should be. So we'll talk a lot more

1586
01:34:34.720 --> 01:34:37.079
about that when we talk about Discovery when we get

1587
01:34:37.079 --> 01:34:39.960
through our Discovery show. But you know, that was an

1588
01:34:40.000 --> 01:34:42.000
important story that I wanted to get out there because

1589
01:34:42.159 --> 01:34:45.239
it really bugs me when I hear people referring to

1590
01:34:45.560 --> 01:34:48.880
Discovery as gay Trek or queer Trek or woke Track,

1591
01:34:48.960 --> 01:34:51.399
and to me, those are people that were behind the

1592
01:34:51.520 --> 01:34:54.960
door and don't understand what Star Trek is about. Because

1593
01:34:55.760 --> 01:34:59.800
representation is the number one thing that Star Trek is

1594
01:34:59.840 --> 01:35:03.520
a we should all accept each other for who we

1595
01:35:03.680 --> 01:35:07.119
are and what we are, and that if actually, if

1596
01:35:07.159 --> 01:35:09.760
the world did that, it would be so much of

1597
01:35:09.800 --> 01:35:11.600
a better place. Look at what's going on right now

1598
01:35:11.680 --> 01:35:14.640
in the United States. You know, we need that now

1599
01:35:14.720 --> 01:35:17.399
more than ever, and that's where we need Star Trek,

1600
01:35:17.520 --> 01:35:19.319
and that's where we need Star Trek to stand up

1601
01:35:19.800 --> 01:35:24.920
and put that in people's faces. You know. So, David,

1602
01:35:25.000 --> 01:35:26.880
you've got our next story, and this is this is

1603
01:35:26.920 --> 01:35:31.399
a fun one and actually funny story. I was coming

1604
01:35:31.479 --> 01:35:34.800
home from work and I heard this exact same story

1605
01:35:35.159 --> 01:35:37.520
on my local radio station on my way home from

1606
01:35:37.560 --> 01:35:41.159
work the other day. And take it away, David. Cool.

1607
01:35:41.319 --> 01:35:41.800
Yeah, So.

1608
01:35:43.399 --> 01:35:45.600
Let me brun this over here to the center. Second,

1609
01:35:45.960 --> 01:35:50.359
keep an eye on everything. Let see New York woman

1610
01:35:50.479 --> 01:35:53.680
blames Star Trek lightning plate for ten of tens of

1611
01:35:53.800 --> 01:36:00.800
thousands of dollars in accidental tickets a Long Island says

1612
01:36:00.920 --> 01:36:05.319
she's getting traffic ticket from all over the country. But

1613
01:36:05.479 --> 01:36:09.680
the thing is, she stopped driving four years ago, So

1614
01:36:10.039 --> 01:36:18.159
how could this be happening? Better, Cory Love of Star

1615
01:36:18.319 --> 01:36:23.840
Trek made maybe at the root of it all these

1616
01:36:24.000 --> 01:36:28.279
came yesterday from Chicago shooting tickets. They are one hundred

1617
01:36:28.319 --> 01:36:33.520
dollars each, better, Corey said. Back into twenty twenty, the

1618
01:36:33.680 --> 01:36:39.399
Huntington residents surrendered her license plate, sold her car, and

1619
01:36:39.640 --> 01:36:46.640
stopped driving. I quote, I don't have a car, I

1620
01:36:46.800 --> 01:36:52.039
don't drive. These plates were turned in unquote. The seventy

1621
01:36:52.119 --> 01:36:57.439
six year old said, sorry, getting a little bit of

1622
01:36:57.479 --> 01:37:05.239
a clogged throat here yet many walks in her mailbox. Sorry,

1623
01:37:05.520 --> 01:37:09.159
many walks to her mailbox bringing the retired unwanted surprises.

1624
01:37:09.840 --> 01:37:10.159
Quote.

1625
01:37:10.760 --> 01:37:17.920
They are president persistent in what they are persistent, and

1626
01:37:18.600 --> 01:37:23.359
they keep sending me tickets unquote. Her old custom plates

1627
01:37:23.560 --> 01:37:27.199
honored star Trek and had the same number as the

1628
01:37:27.319 --> 01:37:32.920
Starship Enterprise, and she she won seven oh one. However,

1629
01:37:33.239 --> 01:37:37.800
for fifteen dollars on Amazon and eBay, some trackers have

1630
01:37:38.000 --> 01:37:41.800
been easily replacing the real plates with the same novelty

1631
01:37:41.920 --> 01:37:48.720
plates and getting away with it. Huh, they're a cured

1632
01:37:49.079 --> 01:37:53.479
ticket from all over the country are being mailed to Corey.

1633
01:37:54.800 --> 01:38:00.840
Issa's pronounced her name Kory Corey. I believe so sorry

1634
01:38:00.880 --> 01:38:05.319
for butchering the name. So anyways, continue on. Quote red

1635
01:38:05.399 --> 01:38:10.319
light beating, parking school zones unquote, she said, describing the

1636
01:38:10.399 --> 01:38:14.600
types of tickets she receives. She also gets hit with

1637
01:38:15.000 --> 01:38:18.600
e Z pass tolls. Not sure what that is. It

1638
01:38:18.720 --> 01:38:23.800
must be something over in the East Road.

1639
01:38:24.640 --> 01:38:29.119
That's all roads. Yeah, you need to pay control roads.

1640
01:38:31.760 --> 01:38:35.680
Go up to Seattle, you'll see them, Okay.

1641
01:38:35.800 --> 01:38:38.720
Going over bridges, under through the tunnels, they charge you.

1642
01:38:39.560 --> 01:38:45.359
Interesting uh so quote I got a phone call from

1643
01:38:45.439 --> 01:38:48.800
Ohio and police chiefs looking for plates because they were

1644
01:38:49.000 --> 01:38:54.359
involved in a robbery. Unquote. The New York Department of

1645
01:38:54.520 --> 01:38:58.439
Motor Vehicles says novelty plates being used illegally on the

1646
01:38:58.640 --> 01:39:01.760
road is a matter of for law enforcement, and nothing

1647
01:39:02.000 --> 01:39:08.000
in its system connects Korey to her former plate. The

1648
01:39:08.119 --> 01:39:12.520
DMV also said that it's up to each state and

1649
01:39:12.840 --> 01:39:16.840
billing entity to make sure it is utilizing the most

1650
01:39:17.000 --> 01:39:21.239
up to date New York DMV data. For instance, she

1651
01:39:21.439 --> 01:39:26.359
doesn't drive a motorcycle yet has received a ticket. Quote

1652
01:39:27.359 --> 01:39:30.359
I've run out of ink, I've run out of stamp,

1653
01:39:30.560 --> 01:39:36.079
Corey said, Trying of trying to answer every summon, Corey

1654
01:39:36.560 --> 01:39:44.840
has hearing and site issues. Quote she said, sorry, she said,

1655
01:39:44.920 --> 01:39:48.960
quote it all comes back to me. So the whole

1656
01:39:49.159 --> 01:39:52.159
country has my name and address for tickets. I don't

1657
01:39:52.239 --> 01:39:58.479
even owe quote she said. The reason for her tears

1658
01:39:58.560 --> 01:40:02.479
and frustration is because she has been bill tens of

1659
01:40:02.640 --> 01:40:07.199
thousands of dollars and as you yet another quote, Yes,

1660
01:40:07.800 --> 01:40:11.439
because I can't afford it. I'm on the fixed income.

1661
01:40:14.319 --> 01:40:18.520
So yeah, I don't understand how the DMV could be

1662
01:40:19.159 --> 01:40:22.479
unless there's some sort of mixed up with a name

1663
01:40:22.920 --> 01:40:23.760
or address.

1664
01:40:23.840 --> 01:40:28.840
I don't imagine they can't trace the plates to current data,

1665
01:40:29.960 --> 01:40:32.279
so they decided to go to historical data see if

1666
01:40:32.279 --> 01:40:35.520
they can track it down, not realizing that these are

1667
01:40:35.640 --> 01:40:39.119
based on flights that are probably fake.

1668
01:40:40.439 --> 01:40:46.079
Hm hmm. Yeah. It's interesting, very very interesting, and you

1669
01:40:46.079 --> 01:40:49.119
would think they would know that, you know, but hey,

1670
01:40:49.199 --> 01:40:53.640
it's it's DMV guys. They're you know, they're slow. Now

1671
01:40:53.720 --> 01:40:55.760
we know just how slow they really are. She hasn't

1672
01:40:55.760 --> 01:40:58.359
been driving for four years and they're still sending her tickets.

1673
01:40:58.880 --> 01:41:00.119
Yeah that's slow. Oh.

1674
01:41:01.600 --> 01:41:05.039
I've seen situations where it takes longer. I mean, oh

1675
01:41:05.119 --> 01:41:07.840
my god, it's a DMB, especially over in organ Oh.

1676
01:41:08.560 --> 01:41:11.039
I would imagine working like bigger shitties of course, but

1677
01:41:11.279 --> 01:41:14.359
my goodness, Portland is just like That's why the reasons

1678
01:41:14.359 --> 01:41:17.239
why I don't drive, I just I can't stand to

1679
01:41:17.319 --> 01:41:18.039
DMB anymore.

1680
01:41:19.199 --> 01:41:21.680
Yeah, poor woman. I hope they get that straightened out,

1681
01:41:22.680 --> 01:41:25.239
all right. So the next story I've got is as

1682
01:41:25.560 --> 01:41:29.800
a little short, little quip here, Star Trek's Strange New

1683
01:41:29.840 --> 01:41:34.000
World's producers asked for more than ten episodes. This is

1684
01:41:34.079 --> 01:41:37.039
probably the biggest complaint that I hear over and over

1685
01:41:37.039 --> 01:41:41.960
and over again about Star Trek. Is why only ten episodes. Well,

1686
01:41:42.680 --> 01:41:46.039
let's find out. Once upon a time, Star Trek fans

1687
01:41:46.079 --> 01:41:49.960
could expect twenty or more episodes of their favorite series

1688
01:41:50.039 --> 01:41:53.600
per season. You guys remember those days, twenty six, twenty seven,

1689
01:41:53.720 --> 01:41:58.439
twenty eight episodes per season. I remember those days. With

1690
01:41:58.560 --> 01:42:01.840
the event of streaming, though, the numbers are considerably less,

1691
01:42:02.000 --> 01:42:07.359
with most new series getting around ten episodes per season. Only.

1692
01:42:07.439 --> 01:42:11.119
Star Trek Prodigy has given twenty episodes for its first

1693
01:42:11.239 --> 01:42:15.199
and second seasons, while Star Trek Discovery was given thirteen

1694
01:42:15.279 --> 01:42:20.000
episodes in season one, fourteen in season two, three and four,

1695
01:42:20.600 --> 01:42:24.680
and its final season received a ten episode order. Star

1696
01:42:24.760 --> 01:42:27.199
Trek Lower Decks and Star Trek p Card each had

1697
01:42:27.279 --> 01:42:31.319
ten episodes per season, as has Star Treks Strange New Worlds.

1698
01:42:31.760 --> 01:42:34.680
So this is something that fans have complained about and

1699
01:42:34.800 --> 01:42:37.640
we still continue to want more. It's clearly not something

1700
01:42:37.680 --> 01:42:42.520
that's going to happen. Star Treks Strange New World's executive

1701
01:42:42.560 --> 01:42:47.560
producer Akiva Goldsmith verified that this is true. Quote. No,

1702
01:42:48.359 --> 01:42:52.199
we aren't doing more than ten episodes. I mean not

1703
01:42:52.399 --> 01:42:56.600
so far, and we tried. In fairness, we have to.

1704
01:42:57.199 --> 01:43:01.000
We have that sense, and its most practic represented by

1705
01:43:01.039 --> 01:43:04.600
the number of cards that are episode cards we get

1706
01:43:04.680 --> 01:43:07.600
in the beginning of each season. It's sort of like

1707
01:43:07.760 --> 01:43:11.680
a friend's analogy. Let's do the one where, let's do

1708
01:43:11.880 --> 01:43:14.439
the one where, let's do the one where, and we

1709
01:43:14.600 --> 01:43:18.279
always have more cards than ten by the end. So

1710
01:43:18.479 --> 01:43:22.119
Discovery was thirteen episodes, and we sort of mated our

1711
01:43:22.159 --> 01:43:27.319
eyes and said give us more. They said, no, you

1712
01:43:27.439 --> 01:43:30.600
can have less, and we said, no, ten is good.

1713
01:43:31.039 --> 01:43:34.720
And that's probably where things are going to stand for

1714
01:43:34.840 --> 01:43:39.319
a while. So, you know, I don't get it. I

1715
01:43:39.399 --> 01:43:42.199
honestly don't get it myself. I've read read things on

1716
01:43:42.279 --> 01:43:46.079
the internet that say ten episodes is what they figure

1717
01:43:46.119 --> 01:43:49.359
the average binge worthy series is. If it's more than

1718
01:43:49.399 --> 01:43:53.079
ten episodes, people are less likely to binge the whole

1719
01:43:53.199 --> 01:43:56.760
series at once. And I get that, I really do

1720
01:43:56.920 --> 01:43:59.880
get that. But I want to go way way back

1721
01:44:00.079 --> 01:44:03.399
to the beginning of Star Trek Discovery. Remember Charles, when

1722
01:44:03.399 --> 01:44:05.880
we were doing shows where we had new Star Trek

1723
01:44:06.159 --> 01:44:09.800
every week for almost a full year. Do you remember

1724
01:44:09.840 --> 01:44:10.359
those days?

1725
01:44:10.520 --> 01:44:18.079
Yes? Yes, one year we went through all fifty two weeks.

1726
01:44:18.119 --> 01:44:20.119
We were like forty weeks of Star Trek.

1727
01:44:21.279 --> 01:44:25.079
Yes. And in the beginning when CBS, I'll access now

1728
01:44:25.159 --> 01:44:28.760
Paramount Plus started, we were told that their goal was

1729
01:44:28.800 --> 01:44:33.640
to have New Star Trek every single Thursday, and they

1730
01:44:33.680 --> 01:44:36.880
were moving towards that goal, and then all of a sudden,

1731
01:44:37.720 --> 01:44:41.840
they just started canceling shows left and right, and they

1732
01:44:42.399 --> 01:44:46.560
started knocking everything down to ten episodes. And now here

1733
01:44:46.640 --> 01:44:48.520
we are at ten episodes and we're lucky if we

1734
01:44:48.600 --> 01:44:50.600
get New Star Trek six months out of the year,

1735
01:44:51.039 --> 01:44:55.800
never mind every Thursday. And you know, and it's crazy

1736
01:44:55.880 --> 01:45:00.000
because if they're going to do that, let's say, for instance,

1737
01:45:00.760 --> 01:45:05.039
they give us thirteen episodes. So if they give us

1738
01:45:05.119 --> 01:45:09.600
thirteen episodes and they do three Star Trek series, there

1739
01:45:09.640 --> 01:45:13.119
you have it. We're just about where we want to be,

1740
01:45:13.560 --> 01:45:17.920
right but ten episodes and they're only giving us two

1741
01:45:18.039 --> 01:45:23.079
new series. That's only twenty episodes a year. And to me,

1742
01:45:23.239 --> 01:45:25.680
that's crazy. They can do better than that. They have

1743
01:45:25.920 --> 01:45:28.359
to do better than that, because a lot of people

1744
01:45:28.479 --> 01:45:32.039
I've been reading they're now canceling their subscriptions because they're

1745
01:45:32.119 --> 01:45:35.159
mad about lower decks being canceled. They're mad about Prodigy

1746
01:45:35.239 --> 01:45:40.680
being canceled. You know, Discovery was just prematurely canceled. And

1747
01:45:41.319 --> 01:45:44.439
if they want to keep fans interested in engage they've

1748
01:45:44.520 --> 01:45:47.800
got to give us new content, and they don't seem

1749
01:45:47.880 --> 01:45:51.640
to be too inclined to do that. I mean, when

1750
01:45:51.640 --> 01:45:55.960
are we going to see Starfleet Academy five?

1751
01:45:58.720 --> 01:45:58.960
Yeah?

1752
01:46:00.279 --> 01:46:06.560
Six, Strange New Worlds we might see in twenty twenty five, right, yeah, yeah.

1753
01:46:06.399 --> 01:46:08.920
I think that's coming out, and like, what may did

1754
01:46:08.920 --> 01:46:09.720
they give a date yet?

1755
01:46:10.479 --> 01:46:14.720
So so let's look, let's look a year ahead. We

1756
01:46:14.880 --> 01:46:19.840
have Star Trek Section thirty one coming up. That's a

1757
01:46:20.039 --> 01:46:23.920
one shot deal, one movie done. We've got that. Then

1758
01:46:23.960 --> 01:46:27.880
we have ten episodes of Strange New Worlds. And then

1759
01:46:27.920 --> 01:46:28.960
what do we have after that?

1760
01:46:30.000 --> 01:46:33.439
Nothing Academy yep. We won't have Academy the probably the

1761
01:46:33.560 --> 01:46:34.479
following year.

1762
01:46:36.359 --> 01:46:36.560
Yep.

1763
01:46:36.960 --> 01:46:40.159
So we have, and then they do the next next

1764
01:46:40.239 --> 01:46:42.920
season of Strange New world.

1765
01:46:43.760 --> 01:46:47.800
Yep, yep, which means we are gonna have about We're

1766
01:46:47.840 --> 01:46:54.239
gonna have about forty weeks of nothing new, and that's unacceptable.

1767
01:46:55.239 --> 01:46:58.399
We're at the point where they canceled all these series.

1768
01:46:58.479 --> 01:47:02.119
Is there are no more series left? They were saying, oh,

1769
01:47:02.199 --> 01:47:04.319
we've cut one series for a new one, but we

1770
01:47:04.439 --> 01:47:08.039
haven't gotten new ones yet. It wasn't there a series

1771
01:47:08.239 --> 01:47:12.119
that a comic series they're working on.

1772
01:47:13.399 --> 01:47:16.000
Yeah, We don't have a title for that or any

1773
01:47:16.039 --> 01:47:18.840
information on it. But Kawnie Newsom's working on that new

1774
01:47:18.960 --> 01:47:22.640
series about the live action series about people working on

1775
01:47:22.760 --> 01:47:25.680
a star bas and that's all we really know about it.

1776
01:47:27.399 --> 01:47:29.920
It could be Star Based eighty. It's supposed to be

1777
01:47:30.000 --> 01:47:34.880
a comedy and she's pretty she's really hilarious, you know,

1778
01:47:34.960 --> 01:47:38.560
I think on lower decks and that's going to be

1779
01:47:38.600 --> 01:47:40.520
a live action series. But we don't have a title,

1780
01:47:41.079 --> 01:47:43.720
We don't have anything about it. We do know that

1781
01:47:43.840 --> 01:47:47.720
there's two seasons of Strange New Worlds. We do know

1782
01:47:47.880 --> 01:47:52.720
that Starfleet Academy is going to have two seasons. I

1783
01:47:52.880 --> 01:47:55.199
have to assume that this new Tawnie Newsom show is

1784
01:47:55.279 --> 01:47:58.720
going to be at least one season, right, probably.

1785
01:48:00.159 --> 01:48:04.239
Yeah, renew just for a second shoession even before the

1786
01:48:04.560 --> 01:48:06.680
Tush Seasion comes out show and.

1787
01:48:07.199 --> 01:48:10.880
Other than that, we might also get the situation and

1788
01:48:11.000 --> 01:48:16.279
let's see what happens with Paramount Plus's for a streaming

1789
01:48:16.479 --> 01:48:20.119
movie and maybe we'll get a chance to get some

1790
01:48:20.279 --> 01:48:23.920
more movies or something from that. But then that's going

1791
01:48:23.960 --> 01:48:25.880
to be at least a year or two in production

1792
01:48:26.039 --> 01:48:26.439
to get.

1793
01:48:26.319 --> 01:48:31.119
That out, right, So we're yeah, we're running We're running

1794
01:48:31.199 --> 01:48:35.880
pretty late here, you know, for Star Trek shows. I mean,

1795
01:48:35.880 --> 01:48:38.479
there's not much in the pipe. And even if they

1796
01:48:38.560 --> 01:48:40.600
do a movie, you're looking at a year to see it.

1797
01:48:41.720 --> 01:48:45.439
So yeah, it's looking pretty dim for the future of

1798
01:48:45.520 --> 01:48:49.560
Star Trek guys. Yeah, and there's no need for it either.

1799
01:48:49.680 --> 01:48:52.760
With a little bit of planning and just looking ahead

1800
01:48:52.760 --> 01:48:55.239
a little bit, they could avoid this whole thing. But

1801
01:48:55.319 --> 01:48:56.399
they don't seem to care.

1802
01:48:57.960 --> 01:48:58.159
You know.

1803
01:48:59.039 --> 01:49:02.760
I think some of the profiteers and moneymakers in the

1804
01:49:02.880 --> 01:49:06.720
industry just isn't looking thing in Star Trek to big

1805
01:49:06.840 --> 01:49:11.279
profitable series. Well, some of the other ones aren't really

1806
01:49:11.359 --> 01:49:13.239
turning a big profit either.

1807
01:49:15.720 --> 01:49:15.960
True.

1808
01:49:16.600 --> 01:49:19.000
Also, I don't think it's not it's not that they

1809
01:49:19.079 --> 01:49:21.119
don't care. It's just I have a feeling that has

1810
01:49:21.199 --> 01:49:28.439
something to do with ideas. Like sure, Stranger World was

1811
01:49:28.479 --> 01:49:33.439
an idea brought on from Discovery, and I think if

1812
01:49:33.439 --> 01:49:36.079
they're going to come up with any more shoeries, they're

1813
01:49:36.079 --> 01:49:37.920
probably gonna have to fill in the gaps for like,

1814
01:49:38.640 --> 01:49:44.079
you know what took place between Cook and the next generation, right,

1815
01:49:44.239 --> 01:49:48.279
So there's that whole one hundred year gap with that

1816
01:49:48.720 --> 01:49:50.119
twenty third century kind of thing.

1817
01:49:50.199 --> 01:49:54.479
So I don't know it could, right, fans gave them

1818
01:49:54.560 --> 01:49:59.760
a big idea and they blew it down, saying, now,

1819
01:50:00.000 --> 01:50:00.479
we don't.

1820
01:50:00.279 --> 01:50:02.279
Want to do Bricard Legacy. We don't want to do

1821
01:50:02.359 --> 01:50:06.239
Star Trek Legacy. You want. The fans sat there and said,

1822
01:50:06.359 --> 01:50:11.359
we want more from Bicards, we want expansion path that series,

1823
01:50:11.520 --> 01:50:13.960
but nope, they just don't want to sit there and

1824
01:50:14.039 --> 01:50:16.760
go with it, even though there's a big demand for

1825
01:50:16.920 --> 01:50:18.359
fans saying they wanted more.

1826
01:50:20.119 --> 01:50:22.680
Yeah, and I mean, I don't know if any of

1827
01:50:22.800 --> 01:50:27.279
those particular producers or people who make Trek or anything

1828
01:50:27.439 --> 01:50:30.640
watch our show, but uh, you know, we've had a

1829
01:50:30.680 --> 01:50:33.159
couple of cool ideas that they could probably end up doing.

1830
01:50:33.399 --> 01:50:37.840
So I mean, the whole clean on story or like

1831
01:50:39.159 --> 01:50:41.640
you know, the different aliens with their point of view

1832
01:50:41.760 --> 01:50:43.520
is to start fleet kind of thing. So it'd be

1833
01:50:43.600 --> 01:50:47.119
like a Game of Throne style. But you know, it

1834
01:50:47.159 --> 01:50:50.399
would be an interesting idea. There are lots of ideas

1835
01:50:50.439 --> 01:50:52.880
out there. It's just that it's the thing is is

1836
01:50:52.880 --> 01:50:56.359
that people need to bring the idea to the producers

1837
01:50:56.600 --> 01:50:58.239
and the people who film and stuff.

1838
01:50:58.279 --> 01:51:02.119
So you know, they also will say that that five

1839
01:51:02.359 --> 01:51:06.119
seasons is the maximum that they want to go for

1840
01:51:06.199 --> 01:51:10.479
a streaming series, because beyond five seasons, they're losing money

1841
01:51:10.560 --> 01:51:13.640
at that point because anyone that's invested in the series

1842
01:51:14.279 --> 01:51:18.319
is already there, and going beyond five seasons isn't going

1843
01:51:18.399 --> 01:51:21.199
to attract any more new people than they already have.

1844
01:51:21.920 --> 01:51:24.720
So after five seasons they want to switch gears move

1845
01:51:24.800 --> 01:51:27.960
on to something else. Whether or not that's true, I

1846
01:51:28.600 --> 01:51:33.199
don't really know, but I think that they were very shortsighted,

1847
01:51:33.760 --> 01:51:38.079
and particularly in pulling the plug on Prodigy like they did,

1848
01:51:38.479 --> 01:51:42.760
because in my opinion, season two of Prodigy was absolutely outstanding.

1849
01:51:43.520 --> 01:51:45.039
I mean, that was some of the best truck we've

1850
01:51:45.079 --> 01:51:50.199
seen in a while. I wasn't overly impressed with season one.

1851
01:51:50.359 --> 01:51:53.960
I liked it, but season two just blew season one

1852
01:51:54.199 --> 01:51:57.760
out of the water. Yet they canceled it. You know,

1853
01:51:58.000 --> 01:52:00.479
had they kept that, that would have given us twenty

1854
01:52:00.600 --> 01:52:04.479
more episodes of Star Trek on Paramount Plus. But they

1855
01:52:04.640 --> 01:52:09.520
dumped it. Now they're dumping Lower Decks when Lower Decks

1856
01:52:09.600 --> 01:52:12.399
is just starting to really get its feet and get

1857
01:52:12.479 --> 01:52:16.680
really really good. They're canceling it. Discovery they did the

1858
01:52:16.720 --> 01:52:19.439
same thing. They canceled Discovery right you know, when they

1859
01:52:19.479 --> 01:52:23.199
were just you know, taken off, they canceled it. The

1860
01:52:23.359 --> 01:52:25.520
card was always going to be canceled. That was always

1861
01:52:25.600 --> 01:52:28.199
only meant to be three seasons, so we knew that

1862
01:52:28.359 --> 01:52:31.760
going in. But I don't know, I don't know. We're

1863
01:52:31.760 --> 01:52:33.840
gonna have to wait and see what happens with Star Trek.

1864
01:52:33.960 --> 01:52:39.560
I yeah, I really think that Star Treker would still

1865
01:52:39.600 --> 01:52:43.640
be alive even in the darkish hours that we tend

1866
01:52:43.720 --> 01:52:46.720
to go through. So to me, I think it's just

1867
01:52:47.000 --> 01:52:49.680
it's like a Wheler coach that goes up and down,

1868
01:52:49.800 --> 01:52:51.199
up and down. We're gonna have good years win a

1869
01:52:51.279 --> 01:52:57.199
bad years. So I mean, like it like before a

1870
01:52:57.279 --> 01:53:01.399
Teager came out, you know, I mean I was really

1871
01:53:01.479 --> 01:53:05.359
young by then, but I mean between Captain Coach's original

1872
01:53:05.399 --> 01:53:09.239
series and TG, I'm assuming that a lot of people, Yeah,

1873
01:53:09.279 --> 01:53:10.840
the movies were there, but I mean.

1874
01:53:10.960 --> 01:53:12.079
These movies that was it.

1875
01:53:13.079 --> 01:53:18.840
Yeah, animated series. It wasn't Internet, No, the Internet didn't exist.

1876
01:53:20.319 --> 01:53:24.079
Yeah, So to me, came animated series came out, but

1877
01:53:24.319 --> 01:53:25.640
four of the movies.

1878
01:53:25.279 --> 01:53:29.239
Did, yeah, seventy three, seventy four.

1879
01:53:30.199 --> 01:53:32.600
Yeah, to me, I think, I mean that might have

1880
01:53:32.680 --> 01:53:35.359
been the darkest year for Star Trek. And then when

1881
01:53:35.720 --> 01:53:37.960
Next Generation came out, there and that's when it started

1882
01:53:37.960 --> 01:53:40.399
getting the ball rolling and then from that point on

1883
01:53:40.520 --> 01:53:43.359
it was just like now idea had to come in.

1884
01:53:43.760 --> 01:53:46.840
So I think we had a dark era after Enterprise,

1885
01:53:48.159 --> 01:53:51.560
and that's true, especially with the JJ coming out and

1886
01:53:51.760 --> 01:53:55.399
kind of the way that one came A rolled out

1887
01:53:57.159 --> 01:53:59.079
with a bit of a fan issue, and I think

1888
01:53:59.119 --> 01:54:02.760
we finally got Discovery and came through and that kind

1889
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of re brought us back to having a good series

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of shows.

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And then that's when New World came through the world.

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You know, at the very least, I think they should

1893
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bring back short treks. You know, we had a lot

1894
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of fun talking about short trucks and and don't forget

1895
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short trucks actually gave us a lot of Captain Pike

1896
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and Number one and Mister Spot we saw them on

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Q and A Trouble with Edward. There was a lot

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of good short trucks that came out and filled in

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some gaps. They could have a lot of fun with

1900
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short treks and give us a lot of different you know,

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they could go all the way back to tost with

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short trucks if they wanted to, you know.

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Yeah, so you know, yeah, and speaking of short tecks,

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I I just had a really interesting thought about how

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they could do the new short track because have you

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guys ever seen the new Amazon series called Secret Level

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Not yet? Okay, it's a very interesting way of doing

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a short a video. It's basically random stories that aren't

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really connected to one episode to another, but they're just

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random you know what if kind of things took place.

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So it's a really interesting look at like a short

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If Trek ever did a short track, they could do

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something similar to that where they would take like a

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character and just kind of like go through like maybe

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twenty minutes, maybe fifteen minutes or something of just telling

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the story of a particular character, like maybe Lower Deck

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kind of character or something. So I thought that would

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have been an interesting take on if they were ever

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to bring short Trek back.

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So that's that's what they're pretty much what they did

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on short tracks. Yeah, and they could they could do

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it again because they could visit you know, they could

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do it Captain Sulu. I mean, you got to remember,

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they already have the sets, they have the uniforms, so

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utilize it, you know, do it, you know, but you know,

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I don't work for Paramount. I'm not in charge, but

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I think they gotta they gotta get their act together.

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And you know they don't even do they don't even

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do the ready room anymore. When's the last ready room

1930
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that we saw.

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Jim, you missed the announcement today. We are going to

1932
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get another ready room, I think next week because Will

1933
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Whaton is going to interview several members of the cast

1934
01:56:41.359 --> 01:56:47.079
of Lower Decks on our final episode. So we are

1935
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getting a Lower Decks episode coming soon.

1936
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Okay, all right, well they're okay, but but still, guys,

1937
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they gotta get they gotta get their Star Trek stuff together.

1938
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They got to they're gott to pull their shit together,

1939
01:57:01.720 --> 01:57:05.880
get their act together, you know, and do it, you know,

1940
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stop the crap and do it. Well, you know what,

1941
01:57:10.319 --> 01:57:12.520
we filled up another show. Hard to believe, isn't it.

1942
01:57:13.239 --> 01:57:13.439
Yeah?

1943
01:57:14.239 --> 01:57:18.479
Wow, we we We absolutely did it. So I'm looking

1944
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at the calendar. I just want to let you guys

1945
01:57:20.039 --> 01:57:23.880
know that there will be no show on the twenty six,

1946
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which on the on the twenty six, which is Thursday,

1947
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because I'm not going to be here. So the following

1948
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Thursday will be January second, and that is going to

1949
01:57:34.119 --> 01:57:39.840
be what is it, Fissiers, Oh Fisher question Fissier Quest.

1950
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We'll talk about that one on the second, and then

1951
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January ninth, we're going to wrap up our Lower Decks coverage.

1952
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That'll be our final episode, which is called the Next Generation.

1953
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And then on the sixteenth, we're gonna have Tim Ross

1954
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with us mister Truvak himself. So please go to Chuck

1955
01:57:56.520 --> 01:58:00.159
talkin dot com record a question or a comment. If

1956
01:58:00.199 --> 01:58:03.119
you just want to say hello to mister Russ, please

1957
01:58:03.199 --> 01:58:05.840
go there and record your question or comment so we

1958
01:58:05.960 --> 01:58:09.359
can play it on the show for him. And then

1959
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on the twenty third, we probably do a Discovery Legacy

1960
01:58:15.359 --> 01:58:19.119
podcast because I'm really wanting to talk about Discovery, and

1961
01:58:19.199 --> 01:58:24.000
we're also going to have a section thirty one is

1962
01:58:24.039 --> 01:58:25.880
going to be in there as well. We'll talk about that.

1963
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So we do have some stuff coming up. So anyways,

1964
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I'm your most excellent host, Uncle Jim, and I'm just

1965
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reminding everybody to stay safe and be good to each other.

1966
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Remember Star Trek fans are the best fans. You guys

1967
01:58:42.359 --> 01:58:44.479
better believe it. So I want to say thank you

1968
01:58:44.600 --> 01:58:47.680
so much to Paul and Eric for recording that awesome,

1969
01:58:48.319 --> 01:58:52.119
awesome segment for us, and thank you to Charles for

1970
01:58:52.239 --> 01:58:54.600
hanging out and Trek talking with us. Thank you, Charles.

1971
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Thank you Jim. In fact, you just gave me an idea.

1972
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If you're not wanting to really sit there and leave

1973
01:59:04.119 --> 01:59:07.800
a voice message, but you still got a question for

1974
01:59:07.960 --> 01:59:11.760
Tim or Uss, come over to the new Patreon page.

1975
01:59:12.560 --> 01:59:14.359
Jim Gamon. He just said it, and I said, I

1976
01:59:14.479 --> 01:59:20.000
need to post a posting we're gonna have him. We're

1977
01:59:20.000 --> 01:59:23.319
gonna have Russ on the show, and if you got

1978
01:59:23.399 --> 01:59:25.920
a question, can post it there. I will throw questions

1979
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out from the page as well.

1980
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Yeah, and hopefully they're going to get our Facebook page

1981
01:59:30.920 --> 01:59:33.239
back up and running so I can get the Patreon

1982
01:59:33.479 --> 01:59:37.199
on there. We also are on YouTube, We're on x

1983
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We're on Blue Sky, we're on Instagram. Hopefully our Facebook

1984
01:59:42.039 --> 01:59:43.479
page will be fixed and we can get all that

1985
01:59:43.600 --> 01:59:45.880
information out to you guys as soon as possible. So

1986
01:59:46.439 --> 01:59:49.760
we're Facebook is just crazy. Let's hope they fix that up.

1987
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I also want to say thank you to David for

1988
01:59:51.920 --> 01:59:53.800
hanging out and Trek talking with us and for the

1989
01:59:54.000 --> 01:59:56.439
awesome slide show. Thank you, David.

1990
01:59:57.079 --> 02:00:00.079
Yeah, it's just been fun. Think you speaking of a

1991
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slide show. I was just thinking when Charles was mentioning

1992
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posting the questions on Patreon? Is there a way that

1993
02:00:07.920 --> 02:00:09.960
we might be able to get them to also do

1994
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a video recording if they wanted to. That is an option,

1995
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if that could be a thing.

1996
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I don't know. I don't know.

1997
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You don't have any way of doing a video on Patreon?

1998
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Okay, yeah, not sure we can.

1999
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We used to do we we used to do live people,

2000
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live callings and everything.

2001
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Is there a way to.

2002
02:00:32.479 --> 02:00:36.800
Also get that going in as well for this particular platform.

2003
02:00:37.399 --> 02:00:40.159
We gotta talk. We got to talk to our engineer

2004
02:00:40.359 --> 02:00:41.840
about the new studio.

2005
02:00:43.119 --> 02:00:45.319
Yeah, I mean sure, there there might be a way

2006
02:00:45.399 --> 02:00:47.680
to do it. David, I'm not sure. Well, this is

2007
02:00:47.760 --> 02:00:51.239
only our second podcast with this, yeah thing, Maybe there's

2008
02:00:51.239 --> 02:00:52.880
a way we can do that. We'll work on here.

2009
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I'm just trying to, you know, get people involved.

2010
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So we'll work on it. We'll see if we can

2011
02:00:58.159 --> 02:00:59.960
do that. There might be a way. I'm not sure,

2012
02:01:00.199 --> 02:01:02.399
but we'll work on it between At any rate, guys,

2013
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I'm your most excellent host, Uncle Jim, and thank you

2014
02:01:04.760 --> 02:01:07.279
for joining us. We really appreciate it. Star Trek fans

2015
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are the best fans, and you better believe that hailing

2016
02:01:11.520 --> 02:01:15.960
frequencies are closed. Good night everybody, good night, live long,

2017
02:01:16.000 --> 02:01:16.920
and prosper.

2018
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All stations. I'm ready for departure, sir. Some problem, right,

2019
02:01:27.399 --> 02:01:29.600
I'm just hoping this isn't the usual way our emissions

2020
02:01:29.600 --> 02:01:30.079
will go, sir.

2021
02:01:30.760 --> 02:01:34.079
Oh No, Number one. I'm sure most will be much

2022
02:01:34.119 --> 02:01:42.920
more interesting. Let's see what's out there. Engage